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GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M ULA CLARK, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF STEWART, CALLING. TO ORDER THE SPECIAL

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MEETING OF THE STUART CITY COMMISSION. JUNE 28 2021. 4:30 P.M. AT THE STEWART CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS FOR BUDGET WORKSHOP. UM WORK. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MAYOR CLARKE. YES, VICE MAYOR MATHESON HERE, COMMISSIONER BURNER HERE, COMMISSIONER MCDONALD COMMISSIONER MEYER HERE. THAT'S ALL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. THAT BY ADVICE, MAYOR MM. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES. SEVEN THERE. TO THE LEVEL FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD. INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE WRONG. TODAY IS OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP AND WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT FISCAL YEAR

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2022. THIS IS THE FIRST OF A SERIES OF BUDGET WORKSHOPS SO THAT WE CAN PLAN. COMING TOWARDS THE SUMMER AND WE HAVE OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR. MR JOLY BACH MEOLI TO MAKE A PRESENTATION. YES. JUST WANT TO SAY I LOVE THE QUOTE. OKAY? YEAH. YEAH. MM. THE MANAGER, AND I'VE DONE THIS A COUPLE TIMES. NOW HE HAS A GOOD RHYTHM OF JUMPING IN WHEN HE WANTS TO.

SO IF HE DOES, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO BOSS. MM. WELCOME TODAY. THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION TO PUT THIS ON. THIS IS BUDGET WORKSHOP NUMBER ONE TODAY WE WILL NOT BE DISCUSSING. MUCH DETAIL. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS LITERALLY WHAT WE KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW AND WHAT WE'RE STILL GUESSING AT. BUT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO SOME STUFF NOW. TYPICAL OF THE MANAGER WRITES THAT I PROCRASTINATE A LOT, AND I ALWAYS TRY TO HIDE THE NUMBERS UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE LIKE IT'S SOME BIG REVEAL. BUT THIS ACTUALLY CAME EXACTLY WHAT I'M ALWAYS SAYING. I HAD TO LOAD THIS INTO THE AGENDA SYSTEM FOR YOU SO THAT YOU'D HAVE IT, AND IT CHANGED FRIDAY AFTERNOON ABOUT 3 30. SO TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS GOING TO HAVE THE SIDES THAT YOU GET IN YOUR PRESENTATION, PLUS THE UPDATED SLIDE RIGHT BEHIND EACH ONE. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT CHANGED FRIDAY AFTERNOON. FIRST ADDS TO ECHO WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR, AND I CHECKED THIS TODAY AT ABOUT 3 15 PM, IT STILL SAYS THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS EXPECTING TO POST THE REVENUES THAT THEY CONTROL AND CALCULATE AND DISTRIBUTE TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. IT STILL SAYS EXPECTED LATE JUNE TO MID JULY LAST YEAR. WE KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY LATE JULY WHEN THEY WOUND UP GETTING IT OUT, UH, AS EVERYONE ELSE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE STILL USING COVID AS AN EXPLANATION OR EXCUSE. BUT THAT THAT IS WHERE IT IS. SO THOSE REVENUES AND I THINK LAST YEAR WE ILLUSTRATED HOW IMPORTANT THOSE PARTICULAR THREE REVENUES ARE TO THE CITY OF STEWART. WHEREAS THEY'RE NOT IN PARTICULAR LEAD IMPORTANT TO SOME OF OUR OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. TO US, THEY ARE THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS TO US IN THE BUDGET, SO AT THE MOMENT WITH THE MANAGER. IS GOING THROUGH INCLUDES EITHER A MODEL THAT WE'VE PROJECTED IN FINANCE OR STATUS QUO OF LAST YEAR. NOW THIS WAS THE SLIDE AS IT CAME. ORIGINALLY WAS THE APPLE OR, UM, REVENUE CURRENTLY BASED ON THE JUNE 1ST PRELIMINARY VALUES. AT THAT TIME, THEY TOLD US IT WAS 2,000,000,003. AND AT FIVE MILLS, THAT WAS 11,000,077 1. 43 TRIM REQUIRES US TO BUDGET AT LEAST 95. AND WE ALWAYS DO THAT. THERE'S ALWAYS A THAT'S ONE OF THE RABBITS IN THE FINANCE HAD AS MAYBE I COULD DO 95.5% JUST FOR BUDGET FUND, BUT THAT'S REALLY NOT A GOOD PRACTICE TO FOLLOW. THAT GENERATED A 5.6% INCREASE OVER BUDGETED NUMBERS. NOW, AS I SAY EVERY YEAR. THERE IS THE D R 4 22, WHICH WAS THE FINAL NUMBER AFTER VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD AND EVERYTHING ELSE MET. SO SOMETIMES THERE'S ANY DISCREPANCY IN THE NEWSPAPER AS TO WHAT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WILL SAY. PROPERTY VALUE INCREASE WAS, BUT THEY'RE COMPARING THIS YEAR'S ER FOR 22 LAST YEAR'S FINAL, BUT WE ARE TALKING BUDGET, THE BUDGET. SO LAST YEAR'S 4 22 THIS YEAR IS 4 20. IT'S WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO BUDGET. AND THEN ALSO NET OF THE INCREASE TO THE SIERRA PAYMENTS, SO THE SIERRA VALUE WENT UP. ABOUT 19% IN THE PRELIMINARY NUMBERS THAT CAME OUT AROUND JUNE 1ST. SO I NET ARE INCREASED THE GENERAL FUND BY WHAT WE OWE TO THE SYRIA. IN ADDITION, HOWEVER. FIRST TIME I CAN TELL YOU THIS MUST BE JENNY OVER THERE IN THE PROPERTY APPRAISER SEAT NOW, FOR FIRST TIME EVER. WE GOT THE CERTIFIED VALUE ON FRIDAY, JUNE 25TH. SO WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN THAT NUMBER OF THIS EARLY. I HAVE HAD A DECERTIFIED TWICE IN THE PAST, WHERE THEY PUT THE NUMBER OUT AND THEN CLAWED IT BACK, SO I

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DON'T KNOW IF THAT MIGHT HAPPEN, BUT AT LEAST THEY SENT IT OUT, AND THEY FILED IT WITH THE STATE ELECTRONICALLY. SO. THIS IS OUR NEW NUMBER SO YOU COULD SEE IT WENT FROM 11 77 1 43 TO 11 TO 98 6 23. IT'S NOW A 7.7% INCREASE IN OUR BUDGET. HAD 800,000 ■MORE, BUT NOW THERE IS A LARGER INCREASE TO THE SIERRA ALSO. SO AS YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT SLIDE WAS DIFFERENT, SO THIS IS THE CERTIFIED VALUE THAT WE'RE NOW WORKING WITH. ALSO HAD THESE. YES. GOODNIGHT MADAM MAYOR. YES, SIR. WHAT WAS THE REVISED INCREASE FOR THE SIERRA? IF IT WAS 19, WE'RE COMING TO THAT NOW. IT'S 20. YEAH. YEAH. STEALING MY THUNDER THERE, COMMISSIONER. NO, THOUGH IT'S SERIOUS COMING LATER. IT'S 22.1% I BELIEVE. OKAY SO, UM, PREVIOUSLY THESE MILESTONES WERE 2006 WAS THE HIGHEST MILITARY THE CITY OF STEWART'S EVER ASSESSED. IT STILL IS. WE HAVE NOT, YOU KNOW, ECLIPSE THAT NUMBER YET OR GOTTEN BACK TO THAT NUMBER. THE 2000 AND SEVEN WAS OUR PREVIOUS HIGHEST BUDGETED ADVIL OR, UM, AND THEN 2000 AND EIGHT WAS AND YOU KNOW WHEN I HAD WHEN I FIRST PUT THIS INTO THE AGENDA SYSTEM, IT WAS OUR HIGHEST TAXABLE VALUE TO DATE. SO WITH THE TAXABLE VALUE THAT WAS ON THE PREVIOUS. PRE UPDATE SLIDE. WE WERE STILL AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IN AN UPCOMING GRAPH. I WAS GOING TO SAY WE STILL HAVEN'T TECHNICALLY RECOVERED BECAUSE WE ARE STILL. 0.6% BELOW OUR HIGHEST TAXABLE VALUE. AND THAT IS NOW DIFFERENT. SO THAT WAS THE HIGHEST TAXABLE VALUE BACK THEN IN 2000 AND EIGHT AND WITH THE PRELIMINARY NUMBERS, THIS IS WHERE YOUR AVALON WOULD FALL NOW. SAID, SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITH THE JULY 1ST NUMBER. TODAY. THAT IS NOW THAT 2021 WAS OUR HIGHEST BUDGETED, HAVE ALARM EVER AND 2000 AND EIGHT UH, WAS OUR HIGHEST TAX VALUE. IT IS NO LONGER A TEXTBOOK HIGHEST TAXABLE VALUE. WE HAVE NOW ECLIPSE THAT WITH THIS NEW VALUE, WE ARE NOW HIGHER THAN WE WERE IN 2000 AND EIGHT. AND SO THIS IS THE NEW TAXABLE VALUE AND THE NEW AVALON NUMBER AS YOU CAN SEE. SO NOW THIS IS THE UPDATED SLIDE HERE. AND I THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS BUFFET OF MILLAGE IS. EACH OF THESE, ADDED MILLS. THE 0.52 IS A HOLDOVER FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, WHERE THERE WAS A SLIGHT ADD BACK TO MILLS OR CUT IF WE ADD BACK WHAT WAS REDUCED FROM THE MILLAGE WHAT WE WOULD HAVE COLLECTED, SO THAT'S JUST AN OLD HOLD OVER. WE KEEP THAT ONE AROUND FOR INTEREST AND THEN. EACH ONE OF THOSE STEPS THAT YOU MIGHT TAKE AND WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GENERATED OFF OF THAT TAXABLE VALUE AND WHAT THE NEW MILLAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO THIS IS KIND OF IF THE MANAGER WANTS TO DO A PROGRAM AND WE SAY IT'S GOING TO BE 553. $1000 YOU KNOW $550,000. HE MIGHT SAY, WELL, THEN WE NEED TO ADD A 10000.25 MILS. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR IS JUST A LITTLE WAY FOR YOU TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO FUND THE VARIOUS PROGRAMS THAT YOU WANT TO DO. WITH ADVIL OR, UM, TAXES. HOWEVER, THAT'S NOW BEEN UPDATED BECAUSE OF THE NEW TAXABLE VALUE. THIS IS WHAT EACH OF THOSE VARIOUS MILLS WOULD GENERATE. AND ALSO NOW THAT ROLLBACK RATE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED. THAT IS WHAT IT WOULD BE OVER THE ROLLBACK RATE FOR EACH ONE. NO QUESTIONS, OKAY? AND THEN HERE IS WHAT A SAMPLE TAX BILL WOULD BE FOR THE TAXABLE VALUE. SO THIS IS AFTER ALL, EXEMPTIONS, HOMESTEAD. SO THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. IF YOUR TAX BILL WAS BASED ON $100,000. AT FIVE MILLS, YOU WOULD PAY $500 IN TAXES IF YOU HAVE A $250,000 HOME, YOU PAID $1250 IN TAX.

HERE ARE SOME TRENDS. SO THIS IS SIMPLY A GRAPH OF WHERE THE BUDGET AVALON HAS BEEN VERSE THAT THE MILLAGE YOU CAN SEE IN THOSE YEARS FROM ABOUT TWO THOUSANDS EIGHT ON WHERE WE DID THE SET IT AND FORGET IT AT THAT MILLAGE. AS PROPERTY VALUES FELL. OUR BUDGET DROPPED. SO WE WERE, YOU KNOW, MAKING LESS REVENUE EACH YEAR THAT WE KEPT THE MILLAGE THE SAME AS PROPERTY VALUES DROPPED FOLLOWING THE HOUSING BUBBLE BUST, AND NOW YOU CAN SEE, UM, THAT BIG ADJUSTMENT THAT THE MANAGER HAD THE COURAGE TO TAKE ON. AND GOT US BACK UP TO AT LEAST WHERE WE WERE, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN A DECADE AGO IN OUR BUDGET THINGS AND THAT HELPED US GET CAUGHT UP WITH SOME PAST TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND SALARY ADJUSTMENTS FOR EMPLOYEES. IN THE LIKE. THESE GRAPHS OF ALL CHANGED AS WELL. BUT THE YOU KNOW TO MOVE THE NEEDLE TAKES A LOT, SO I DIDN'T REALLY UPDATE EACH ONE OF THESE GRAPHS. THIS THE ONE SHOWING WHERE. WE WERE VERSUS ROLL BACK. AND HOW WE TOOK MILLAGE IS THAT WERE BELOW THE ROLLBACK WHEN ROLLBACK WAS AN INCREASE, BUT WE DIDN'T ADVERTISE TAX CUTS. SO YOU KNOW, IN THOSE YEARS WE COULD HAVE SAID, HEY, WE REDUCE YOUR TAXES. 22. WE DIDN'T SAY THAT. BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO ADVERTISE THE PAPER IF WE INCREASE YOUR TAX. THIS IS, UH. TAXABLE VALUES VERSUS ARE BUDGETED REVENUES YOU CAN SEE IN THOSE YEARS WHERE WE HAD A GREATLY REDUCED, UH, MILLAGE RATE WE

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MISSED OUT ON THAT TAXABLE VALUE. YOU WOULD LIKE IT MORE AS IT IS NOW ON THIS END, WHERE THERE'S JUST A SLIGHT PIECE OF BLUE TAXABLE VALUE ABOVE THE BUDGET AMOUNT, SO YOU'RE JUST FOLLOWING YOUR TAXABLE VALUE AND LIVING OFF THE INCREMENTS, NOT REALLY INCREASING TAXES. AS PROPERTY VALUES INCREASE, ALLOWING YOURSELF TO LIVE OFF THE INCREMENT VERY SIMILAR TO THE SIERRA TIFF. AS THE VALUE OF THE SYRIA GOES UP, THEY COLLECT THAT ADDITIONAL TAX INCREMENT, AND THAT'S HOW THEY FUND THE SIERRA PROGRAMS. YOU WOULD REALLY LIKE YOUR GENERAL FUND TO DO THE SAME THING. AND THEN THIS IS THE SO THE OTHER DAY WHEN THE ORIGINAL SLIDE WAS LOADED. THIS SAYS THAT OUR WE WERE STILL 0.6% BELOW OUR HIGHEST VALUE. THAT GRAPH HAS NOW BEEN UPDATED AS YOU CAN SEE. SLIGHT MOVE THERE IN THE LINE SAYS THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY PASSED THAT THAT POINT AND WE'RE NOW 1.42% ABOVE WHAT OUR PREVIOUS HIGHEST TAXABLE VALUE WAS. SO I WOULD ANNOUNCE THAT WE HAVE RECOVERED. FINALLY, AND THEN THIS WAS THIS SLIDE, WHERE THAT HIGH POINT OUR CURRENT TAXABLE VALUE IS JUST A SMIDGE BELOW IT NOW. THE UPDATED SLIDE SHOWS US SLIGHTLY ABOVE IT. THERE YOU GO, SO WE HAVE. FINALLY GOTTEN JUST A LITTLE PAST WHERE WE WERE IN 2000 AND EIGHT, OKAY? YEAH. HERE WE ARE. THIS IS THE AVELAR. UM FROM BACK THEN, EVEN THOUGH THE VALUE WAS HIRED ARE YOU KNOW THAT THAT MILITARY BACK THEN TIMES THAT RATE GENERATED $10 MILLION TODAY, THE FIVE MILLS ON THIS TAXABLE RATE. GENERATED THIS WITH THE JUNE 1ST. IT IS NOW THAT YOU'LL SEE THIS FLIGHT. CHANGE IN THE GRAPH THERE. SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. AND THEN THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN. THOSE INCREASED DECREASED, SO THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS. KEEPING YOUR MILLAGE AT FIVE. NOW, THIS IS WHAT THE INCREASE OR DECREASE IS OVER THE PREVIOUS RATES. AND SO. AS WELL AS ROLLBACK. SO NOW WE'RE ONLY 3.73. INCREASE BY KEEPING THE MILLAGE AT FIVE. NOW ON TO THE COMMISSIONER. THIS IS THE JUNE 1ST. THIS IS THE SLIDE THE OTHER DAY. THE JUNE 1ST PRELIMINARY VALUES AND CURRENT MILLAGE IS SO IF WE KEPT USING WHAT THEY HAD PUT OUT FOR THE JUNE 1ST NUMBERS, THERE WAS AN INCREMENT OF. 274,000,001. OF STEWART AND THEN TO 73 7 46 664 IN THE COUNTY. THAT'S BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAS AN EXEMPTION THAT WE DO NOT. SO OUR TACTICAL VALUE IS ALWAYS SLIGHTLY HIGHER IN THE TIFF THAN THEIRS. AND THEN US AT FIVE MILLS AND THEM AT THEIR PREVIOUS MILLAGE ADOPTED OF 6.7618 MILLS. GENERATED A MILLION THREE FROM US A MILLION SEVEN FROM THEM.

AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE 3,000,067 21. 19% INCREASE THE UPDATED SLIDE NOW, AND THE ONE CAVEAT HERE IS I STILL DON'T CURRENTLY KNOW WHAT THE COUNTY IS PROPOSING FOR A MILLAGE. I HAVE A SUSPICION THAT THE GENERAL. MILITARY IT WILL BE THEY'RE PROPOSING AN INCREASE AGAIN OVER AT THE COUNTY. AND I ALSO DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CERTIFIED NUMBERS FOR THEM WHEN WE GET THE EMAIL FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER ABOUT THE PRELIMINARY, THEY GIVE US THE COUNTY VALUES TO WHEN THEY CERTIFY THAT YOU HAVE TO LOG INTO THE DIOR WEBSITE. I'M GOING TO REACH OUT TO OUR COUNTERPARTS AT THE COUNTY AND FIND OUT WHAT THE CERTIFIED VALUE FOR THIS AREAS FOR THE COUNTY. BUT THAT'S HOW THAT'S GENERATED. SO THAT'S WHY THEIR NUMBERS DIDN'T CHANGE ON THE UPDATED SLIDE, BUT OURS DID. SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT 3,000,001 OF 26 23. AN INCREMENT. TO THE SIERRA THIS YEAR. AND THAT IS A 22.9. I SAID TONY 2.1, WITH THE CUFF BUT 22.9% INCREASE. SMELL MY HAS A QUESTION. THANKS, MOTHER. I JUST WANTED TO CHECK.

DO YOU HAVE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? WHAT THE LAST FISCAL YEAR, COUNTY MILLAGE WAS FOR GENERAL FUND 6.7618. THAT'S THAT. THAT WAS THE LAST OF DOUBT ADOPTED THE ONE BEFORE. WELL MAYBE THAN THE ONE BEFORE THAT, THE ONE BEFORE THAT. I THINK THEY WERE AT 6.6 SOMETHING BEFORE THAT, OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO PIECE OUT. HOW MUCH AT LEAST FROM THE COUNTY SIDE WAS. HAVE INCREASED 7% OF JUST THOSE PROPERTIES VERSUS ALSO FROM THE INCREASE IN THEIR MILLAGE. WELL, YES, IT'S A FACTOR OF WHATEVER PERCENT INCREASE IN MILLAGE THEY HAVE, PLUS THEIR VALUE AND THEIR TAXABLE VALUES DIFFERENT THAN OURS. RIGHT BECAUSE OF THAT EXEMPTION, I THINK HEAD TO HEAD. IT WAS 19 FOR US AND 17 FOR THEM 16 FOR THEM, OKAY, SO, BUT THAT MEAN THAT NUMBER WILL BE PROVIDED BEFORE WE GO TO PRINT. THANKS. FISHER MCDONALD, I CAN GO. I'LL WAIT. OKAY SORRY.

SO THE 22.9 AND THEN RIGHT NOW. SOME. UPCOMING REVENUES AND APPROPRIATIONS THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THE CITY IS SCHEDULED TO RECEIVE HALF OF WHAT WAS ALLOTTED. HAVE WE

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CHECKED TODAY? WE'RE STILL NOT THERE, HUH? YEP. OKAY. I'LL BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MANAGERS DIRECTED ME TO BUDGET IT, SO I'M GONNA GO OUT ON A LIMB AND SAY IT'S THERE. I DO KNOW THAT OUR AUDITORS ALSO AUDIT THE COUNTY AND THEY HAVE CERTIFIED TO ME THAT THE COUNTY DID RECEIVE THEIR MONEY, SO I KNOW IT'S REAL. IT'S OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.

BUT BEING A GOVERNMENT UNDER POPULATION OF 50,000, THERE'S A DIFFERENT DISTRIBUTION SCHEDULE. US SO THE STATE HAD 60 DAYS TO GIVE US OUR MONEY FROM THE DATE OF THEM RECEIVING IT, SO WE'RE STILL WITHIN THAT 60 DAY WINDOW. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE HALF OF THE. LOT OF FUNDS AND THEN HAVE ONE YEAR LATER RECEIVED THE OTHER HALF. HOW OFTEN IS THE CITY MANAGER LOGGING IN TO CHECK IF THAT'S BETTER, POSITIVE, MY, UH, FINANCE STAFF WAS LOGGING INTO THE BANK ACCOUNT EVERY DAY. I'M LOOKING AT IT ENOUGH TIMES A DAY I DO HAVE I DO HAVE A FEW DEPARTMENT HEADS AT EVERY TIME THEY WALK IN MY OFFICE, AND I GOT THAT MONEY YET. WELL, YOU KNOW, NOW BUT IT'S NOT HERE YET. BUT SO WE ARE, IN FACT, STILL AWAITING THE RECEIPT OF THOSE FUNDS. AND THEN THE STATE APPROPRIATIONS THAT WE HAVE MOST GENEROUSLY BEEN GRANTED.

WE HAVEN'T DONE THE WORK YET. THOSE ARE REIMBURSABLE SO WE WON'T RECEIVE THOSE ONES AHEAD OF TIME. BUT. THAT WORK IS DONE. WE WILL SUBMIT FOR REIMBURSEMENT AGAINST THOSE APPROPRIATIONS. SOME EXPENDITURE CHANGES. THE FRS CHANGES ARE FINALIZED AND ADOPTED. THERE WAS ABOUT AN AVERAGE 7% INCREASE AND. THE FRS RATES. THOSE ARE MANDATED BY STATUTE. THE CITY DOES PARTICIPATE. NEVER S THAT EQUATED TO ABOUT $229,000 ACROSS THE CITY AND 192 OF THAT TO GENERAL FUND. PUBLIC SAFETY WENT UP A SMALL SMIDGE, UM.

GENERAL CLASS WENT UP EVEN SMALLER INCREASE. THERE WERE OTHER INCREASES IN ELECTED OFFICIALS AND SOME DROP EVEN THE DROP A RATE WENT UP FOR FRS. NOW THE BIG ONE WAS OUR PROPERTY CASUALTY LIABILITY WORKERS' COMP INSURANCE. THIS 22% INCREASE. NOW THAT'S A 22% INCREASE TO THE CITY OF STEWART. WE PARTICIPATE IN THE TRI COUNTY RISK POOL WITH MARTIN COUNTY CITY OF PORT ST LUCIE AND ST LUCIE COUNTY. ALL FOUR ENTITIES RECEIVED AN INCREASE ITS JUST TO US. IT WAS A 22% INCREASE BECAUSE OF OUR SIZE THAT INCLUDED SOME FUNDING TO THE RETAINED EARNINGS OF TRICO AS WELL. THE FUND BALANCE OF THAT ONE THAT WE PARTICIPATE IN TO HELP COVER CLAIMS. THE CARRIERS JUST THERE. CYBER INSURANCE WAS A BIG. ONE. THEY ALMOST DIDN'T RENEW OUR CYBER INSURANCE BECAUSE ALL THE MEMBERS ARE REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE TWO F A OR MULTI FACTOR AUTHENTICATION. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CODE NUMBER AND YOUR PASSWORD OR YOUR FINGERPRINT YOUR PASSWORD, SO THEY'RE THE CARRIERS ARE SAYING WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO GIVE YOU CYBER INSURANCE IF YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS AT YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. WHICH THE CITY OF STEWART IS, UH AND THEY SOLD US LESS COVERAGE FOR MORE MONEY, SO WE ACTUALLY PURCHASED AN ADDITIONAL SIDE POLICY THAT DOES NOW COVER THOSE THINGS SUCH AS RANSOM. WHERE WHICH OUR PREVIOUS COVERAGE DID NOT. UH SO THERE THAT WAS A HIGH INCREASE, BUT THEN ALSO THE PROPERTY INSURANCE WAS AN INCREASE. YOU KNOW THE TERMS THAT THEY USE IN THE INSURANCE WORLD. THEY WROTE THE BOOK HIGHER BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY CALLED CIVIC ACTIVITIES. AROUND THE NATION HAVE IMPACTED THE INSURANCE CARRIERS LIKE ACTIVITY. CIVIC ACTIVITIES IS THE TERM THAT WE WANT YEARS. YES, SO TODAY WE'RE GONNA NEW LAW. RIGHT? UNFORTUNATELY YOU KNOW THE CLAIMS FILED BY. OTHERS ACROSS THE NATION AFFECT THE CARRIER THAT'S GOING AGAINST INSURANCE HERE. SO, UH, THAT THAT THE WHOLE INSURANCE INDUSTRY HAS GONE BECAUSE OF THAT, SO. WOULD YOU SAY THAT? OTHER INSURANCE COMPANIES.

OTHER OPTIONS, WE'D HAVE THE RATE INCREASE WOULD BE JUST AS HIGH IF WE WERE TO SHOP AROUND.

I HAD CONTACTED ONE GROUP IN PARTICULAR THAT WAS RECOMMENDED PREVIOUSLY AND PRIOR TO THIS PAST. YEAR OF COVID AND CIVIC ACTIVITIES WAS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY PAY FOR SIMILAR COVERAGE. GRANTED, IT'S THE. CADILLAC OF YOU KNOW, IT OFFERS SOME SERVICES THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY RECEIVED, BUT WE'VE NEVER NEEDED THOSE SERVICES PREVIOUSLY, SO IT WAS MORE EXPENSIVE TO SWITCH BEFORE ALL OF THIS HAPPENED. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THAT. THOSE CARRIERS ALSO HAVE AS LARGE OF INCREASE IF YOU KNOW, NOT LARGER. I KNOW THAT ONE CARRIER IN PARTICULAR MOST OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT WE SAW IN THE PAPER HAD PAID THE RANSOM.

WHERE FOR THE CYBER. ATTACKS WAS CARRIED BY THE SAME COVERAGE BY THE SAME PROVIDER, SO I KNOW THAT THEY TOOK A NUMBER OF HITS. AND SO YOU KNOW THE TALK FROM RELATION INSURANCE WHO MANAGES THE TRACKING POLLS THAT. MANY OF THE CARRIERS AREN'T EVEN

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THEY'RE GETTING OUT OF THE BUSINESS LIKE THEY'RE NOT EVEN QUOTING CYBER AND PROPERTY IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET. SO BETWEEN THE ADDITIONS OF ASSETS TO OUR BOOKS AS WELL AS YOU KNOW, THE ONGOING NATIONAL PHENOMENON. THERE WAS AN INCREASE TO ALL THE PARTICIPANTS OF THE POOL. YOU KNOW, I'VE SERVED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE MANAGER AND THE BOARD. SO I MEAN, IF YOU EVER WANTED US TO LOOK, WE WOULD, BUT THE LAST TIME I WAS DIRECTED TO LOOK, IT WASN'T FINANCIALLY SMART TO SWITCH AT THAT TIME WAS THAT MITT? UH CARRIER BY THE FLORIDA LEAGUE. YES SIR. OKAY I WANT TO USE NAMES IN PUBLIC, BUT THEY WERE PRETTY EXPENSIVE. YEAH, BUT THIS I MEAN, A GREAT SERVICE, TO BE SURE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT A NUMBER OF THEIR. PARTICIPANTS WERE HIT AND PAID THOSE RANSOM CLAIMS DURING THE CYBER PUSH.

THERE WERE SEVERAL. FLORIDA GOVERNMENTS GOT HIT, THEY WOULD HAVE THOSE CLAIMS. PLUS, THEY'VE BEEN HIT WITH A LOT OF HURRICANE TRICK. OH, THE FOUR OF US HAVE BEEN VERY LUCKY THE LAST FEW HURRICANE COVERAGE IS WE STILL EXPERIENCE AN INCREASE IN INSURANCE QUOTES BASED ON OTHER PERSONS, HURRICANE EXPERIENCE AND PAYOUTS. BUT NOT US PERSONALLY, OUR. CLAIMS EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN LOWER. THE FOUR OF US TOGETHER HAVE BEEN VERY LUCKY TO DODGE SEVERAL OF THE BIG STORMS IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT HIT THE PANHANDLE AND OTHER PLACES THE UPPER EAST COAST OF FLORIDA. WHAT'S THE MATTER? MAYOR I'D JUST BE INTERESTED IN HEARING MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THOUGHTS ON THIS. I KNOW I PUSHED, YOU KNOW FOR US TO KIND OF. SHOP AROUND RECENTLY, PRE PANDEMIC PRE. NATIONWIDE CIVIC ENGAGEMENT. UM. BUT BUT THIS 22% INCREASE WAS ONE OF THE. STICKER SHOCK ITEMS OF THIS PRESENTATION WHEN I LOOK AT IT.

UM AND JUST BOILING IT DOWN. TO INSURANCE AGENTS WHO ARE FRIENDS. THEY TELL ME PERSONALLY. SHOP AROUND. EVERY YEAR. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT EQUATES TO THE SAME ADVANTAGEOUS FOR THE CITY OR NOT. AND I WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN NECESSARILY THOUGHT ABOUT IT, EXCEPT FOR SEEING THIS SIGNIFICANT INCREASE, JUST IN CASE THERE'S A MISUNDERSTANDING. 22% INCLUDES NOT ONLY THE RE QUOTE FOR INSURANCE COVERAGE, WHICH WE DID INCREASE OUR CYBER INSURANCE COVERAGE. WE DID ADD. MR. MANAGER? MM HMM. AND AT WHAT BUILDING. YOU WANT? I DIDN'T KNOW HOW IT WAS THAT SOMETHING WE ADDED COURTHOUSE COMMONS ONTO THE CITY'S ASSETS, SO ADDING A $7 MILLION BUILDING INTO OUR POLICY. OKAY, SO I MEAN, WE ADDED A $7 MILLION BUILDING. WE BOUGHT CYBER INSURANCE AFTER BEING HACKED, WHICH IS AN EXPERIENCE QUOTE. AND YOU KNOW, BOUGHT ADDITIONAL INSURANCE AND THE INSURANCE WENT UP. WE ARE NOT BUYING ONE SINGLE CARRIER. SO SIMILAR TO THE LEAGUE WHERE THEY SHOP.

DIFFERENT POLICIES. RELATION INSURANCE. DOES THAT SAME FUNCTION FOR TRICK. OH SO WE ACTUALLY CHANGE THE UNDERLYING CARRIERS BASED ON WHO QUOTES US THE BEST PRICE. SO WE'RE NOT WITH THE SAME INSURANCE COMPANY EVERY YEAR TRICK. OH, GETS POLICIES FROM DIFFERENT CARRIERS, SO WE HAVE A DIFFERENT CYBER CARRIER THAN WE DID. PREVIOUSLY WE PICKED UP A DIFFERENT UM. AUTO INSURANCE, AND WE DID PREVIOUSLY SO. I MEAN, THEY SHOP OUR POOL AROUND, AND THAT'S WHAT THE BUYING POWER OF HAVING THE FOUR GOVERNMENTS TOGETHER. DOES SOMEONE LIKE THE LEAGUE HAS MORE THAN FOUR GOVERNMENTS AND THEY TRY TO GET A BIGGER.

THING, BUT THAT ALSO EXPAND YOUR EXP LIABILITY EXPERIENCE IN YOUR LIABILITY, SO IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVEN'T GONE OUT AND SHOPPED INSURANCE CARRIERS RELATION PERFORMS THAT FOR THE TRICK. OH, GROUP. SO YES. EACH YEAR. THE RENEWAL QUOTE MAY BE OVER WITH HEART FOR THIS YEAR, HARTFORD WAS TOO EXPENSIVE. WE WENT WITH LLOYDS AND YOU KNOW, SO THERE IS A EVERY YEAR RELATION DOES A QUOTE AND A NEW. SHOPPING OF THE INSURANCE MARKET TO REPLENISH THE INSURANCE CARRIERS OF THE FOUR GOVERNMENTS THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE POOL SO THAT 22% COVERS.

EXPANDED COVERAGE EXPANDED COVERAGE. PLUS AS I SAID THAT IT WAS TIME FOR US TO PAY SOME MONEY INTO THE FUND BALANCE OF THE POOL ITSELF FOR OTHER CLAIMS THAT HAVE BEEN PAID OUT IN THE PAST THE CITY OF STEWART. WE'VE HAD SOME CLAIMS ON THE WORKERS COMP SIDE. WE'VE HAD SOME LIABILITY CLAIMS OURSELVES. AND RATHER THAN TAKING PREMIUM IN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE SAME THING. WE DO ANOTHER STUFF. DO WE UP THE HEALTH INSURANCE, YOU KNOW, AND EAT THE DIFFERENCE, OR, YOU KNOW, DO WE. UP THE WELL. WE DIDN'T INCREASE PREMIUMS TO THE POOL MEMBERS IN PAST YEARS AND EIGHT INTO OUR FUND BALANCE TO KEEP PEOPLE'S PREMIUMS LOW. IT'S FINALLY TIME FOR US TO DO THAT, AND EVEN THEN IT'S LIKE OUR MILLAGE BECAUSE IT'S LOW, ANY INCREASE TO IT AS A HIGH PERCENTAGE, SO THAT 22% IS A STICKER SHOCK, BUT IT'S ONLY $164,000. SO YOU KNOW, TO GENERAL FUND $221,000 TO THE ENTIRE CITY. SO JUST IN FULL DISCLOSURE, I'M TELLING

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YOU, IT'S A 22% INCREASE, BUT IT EQUATES TO ONLY $164,000. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. UM. AND THEN THIS IS THE ONE WHERE THE SLIDE CHANGE. SO THE OTHER DAY WHEN I HAD UPLOADED THE. AGENDA ITEM. HEALTH INSURANCE. WE HAD NOT MET WITH THE GEARING GROUP YET WHO DOES THE SAME THING THEY SHOP AROUND OUR. HEALTH INSURANCE, THEN TOLD THAT KIND OF STUFF AND SO THEY HAD GIVEN US A RANGE OF 0 TO 12% INCREASE SINCE THEN, WE HAD A MEETING WITH THEM, AND IT'S NOW SETTLED AT 4.1% INCREASE, WHICH IS THE LOW ONE. YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY GOOD. NO, SIR. IT DID ACTUALLY DID ACTUALLY GO VERY WELL. AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW SOME OF THE METRICS THIS SAME TIME LAST YEAR. OUR. INSURANCE CLAIMS WERE HIGHER THAN THEY ARE THIS TIME THIS YEAR. SO THIS YOU KNOW STUART'S HAD HAD A GOOD YEAR. NOW IT'S ONLY THROUGH APRIL. WE'VE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL CLAIMS SINCE APRIL, BUT AS OF APRIL, THE CITY HAD A BETTER EXPERIENCE THAN THROUGH APRIL. LAST YEAR. AND THEY WERE VERY AGGRESSIVE. YOU KNOW, WE THE COMPARISON THEY ACTUALLY REPRESENT MOST OF OUR SURROUNDING. NEIGHBORS AND SO WE GET TO HEAR WHAT THEY'RE GETTING ALSO AND THEIR QUOTES AND THINGS SO 4% WAS PRETTY AGGRESSIVE, COMPETITIVE. QUOTE FOR US. I REMEMBER YEARS AGO. I THINK IT WAS ALMOST 30% THAT 11 YEAR BACK 2012. I MEAN, IT WAS IT WAS MILLION DOLLARS. I THINK IT WAS. YES SIR. THERE'S ALSO THOSE THINGS WERE IN PAST YEARS WERE LIKE WE REALLY CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT PERCENT INCREASE THIS YEAR. LET'S HIT FROM BALANCE. AND THEN LATER YOU GUYS STARE AT ME AND SAY, WHAT HAPPENED ALL OF OUR FUND BALANCE. SO THIS IS A PREMIUM INCREASE. ALSO THE CLINIC HELPS DIFFER. A LOT OF THE HEALTH INSURANCE EXPENSE. OUR EMPLOYEES DO SEEM TO UTILIZE THE CLINIC QUITE A BIT, WHICH KEEPS THEM FROM HITTING THE TRADITIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE SYSTEM. SO THAT THAT CONTINUES TO BE A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE EMPLOYEES, BOTH FROM A EMPLOYEE BENEFITS STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO FINANCIAL EXPENSE TO THE CITY. THAT WAS AN UPDATE THAT HAPPENED SINCE THE AGENDA ITEM WAS LOADED INTO NONE OF US. UNION NEGOTIATIONS ARE ONGOING. UH BUT I, YOU KNOW. ROSS AND HR AND MR DIOCESE. THE MANAGER. THEY'VE THEY'VE. THEY'RE SENSITIVE TO MY NEEDS DOWN THERE AND THEY KNOW THAT. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE SAID WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE UNION NEGOTIATIONS DONE BEFORE THE BUDGET IS DONE. WE HAVE IN PAST YEARS, ADOPTED THE BUDGET AND THEN FINISHED. YOU MEAN NEGOTIATIONS IN THE SUBSEQUENT YEAR, SO IT'S BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THOSE USUALLY DONE BEFORE YOU ADOPT A FINAL BUDGET. JULIE I PROBABLY SKIPPING AHEAD A LITTLE BIT ON THE BUT ON THE MINIMUM WAGE. UM. SO WHEN DOES THAT TAKE EFFECT WHERE IT GOES TO WAS AT 10 OR $11 AN HOUR? THE IT'S A SLIDING SCALE. WE HAVE FOUR YEARS FROM NOW TO IMPLEMENT AND BE THERE. CORRECT IT'S REALLY IT'S LIKE A DOLLAR A YEAR FOR FIVE YEARS, IT GOES TO $10 AN HOUR WITH THIS LEGISLATIVE CYCLE, AND THEN IT GOES THE DOLLAR A YEAR YEAR AFTER THAT, AND. AND SO DO WE HAVE ANY EMPLOYEES THAT WE PAY LESS THAN $10 AN HOUR NOW? NO, WE DO NOT AFFECTED THE FIRST YEAR OR WERE NOT AFFECTED THE FIRST YEAR. UH BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT IF WE STAY STATUS QUO WOULD GET CAUGHT AT THE END OF IT. OKAY? AND, OF COURSE.

YOU KNOW SOME OF THE SOME OF THE LEGISLATIVE ADVERTISING ABOUT THE BILL AND THE IMPACTS OF IT CLEARLY, IF YOU RAISE YOU KNOW SOMEONE AT THE BOTTOM, THEN THE NEXT PERSON I LOVE THEM COMPRESSION FACT. SO THERE'S A COMPRESSION FACTOR. SO ROZ IN HR AND THE MANAGER HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A PLAN. JUST CURIOUS. IF WE'RE GOING TO BE THE EFFECT THIS YEAR VERSUS CALL IF YOUR CALL ROSES, UM, PRESENTATION SHE GAVE, SO THERE WERE A FEW OPTIONS IN THAT PRESENTATION ON HOW TO HOW TO KEEP PACE WITH THAT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO SELECT THE OPTION THAT. HAS THE LEAST SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON OUR BUDGET. BUT WE'LL STILL AT THE END OF THE ROAD.

GET US TO THE BEING EQUIVALENT TO THE $15 AN HOUR AT THE END OF THE CYCLE. WERE SHE JUST RECENTLY GAVE ME THE LIST OF EMPLOYEES WHO ARE IN THE $12 RANGE, AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE AND MAKING AN EFFORT TO ANY NEW EMPLOYEES COMING ON TO. GET THEM HIGHER, NOT NOT THAT BELOW THEM. LET'S NOT STARTING AT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE RANGE. BUT AT THE. NEXT BEST SPOT WITHOUT CAUSING A CONFLICT WITH SOME RIGHT. WELL, AT SOME POINT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT HER WHOLE PASTE STRUCTURE. WE DID THAT, UM, SEVEN YEARS AGO THAT POINT THAT WAS BEFORE THE MIDDLE AGED. YEAH. YEAH, WE DID. THAT TWO YEARS AGO IN THE LAST YEAR WAS THE LAST PIECE OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PREVIOUS PAY POINT ANALYSIS. RIGHT. AND AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL STEWART FASHION AS IT WAS RE SIGNED ON THE DOTTED LINE. THEN THE LEGISLATURE PASSED THE $15 MINIMUM WAGE, SO BUT IF WE DO THIS, AS ROSS EXPLAINED NEEDLES, IT STILL STAYS IN LINE WITH OUR PIG POINT, BECAUSE. ALL OF THE RANGES WILL BE MOVING AT THE SAME TIME TO KEEP THE EQUITY THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. UH LIKE AS I JUST COUNT THE NUMBERS. THE

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MANAGER HE WILL TELL US WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND THEN EXPANSION OF FIRE SERVICE. MR MANAGER, I WOULD. YOU WOULD. I'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH EACH OF YOU ABOUT THAT, AND I'VE HAD A MEETING WITH THE COUNTY RECENTLY. UM ABOUT EXPANSION OF OUR FIRE SERVICES TO MAINLY SERVICE. THE NORTH OF THE BRIDGE WAS CURRENTLY. DURING A LOCAL AGREEMENT COUNTY HAS BEEN SERVICING, BUT MOST RECENTLY, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM THEM FEELING THERE OVER SERVING THE CITY BOUNDARIES. AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT EXPANDING OUR FIRE SERVICES, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE A THIRD STATION IN ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS TO SERVICE OUR CITY NORTH. YES, SIR. UM UH, WITH WITH THAT, UH, ARE WE STILL GOING TO NEED TO OR WHAT WE NEED TO DO OUR OWN DISPATCH FOR FIRE AT THAT POINT. NOT GOING TO JUMP INTO THE DISPATCH IMMEDIATELY. HOPEFULLY UH, I KNOW THAT.

COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WAS TALKING ABOUT LEAVING OR MOVING THOSE SERVICES BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND. UM SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY THE COUNTY IF THEY WERE COMING OUT THE GENERAL FUND FOR THEIR DISPATCH. UM, BUT OPERATIONALLY WISE. AS WE GET DOWN THE ROAD WITH THIS, AND SO THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS FOR THE CITY TO SERVE THE CITY. AND SO OPERATIONALLY WISE WHEN WE GET DOWN THE ROAD AND GET THE FIREFIGHTERS AND SO FORTH ON BOARD AND EVALUATE WHERE WE ARE WITH THOSE CALLS FOR SERVICE. AT THAT TIME WILL DETERMINE THE DISPATCH. IF WE HAVE DISPATCH YEAH. I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT NORTH OF THE BRIDGE, THOUGH. THERE'S THERE IS A WE DO HAVE AT LEAST ONE ASSISTED LIVING NORTH OF THE BRIDGE, BUT, UH. BUT WOULD THERE BE MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO PICK UP AMBULANCE? FEES? UM. THAT UH, THAT AH, IF WE WERE DOING OUR DISPATCH OF BEING DISPATCHED US VERSUS BEING DISPATCHED TO THE COUNTY. IF WE IF WE CHANGE THE ISLA AND WE GO THE WAY THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING WHERE THE CITY IS GOING TO HANDLE THE CITY'S JURISDICTION IN THE COUNTY GOING TO HANDLE THE COUNTY JURISDICTION. ALL OF OUR RESOURCES WOULD BE USED UP PRIOR TO CALLING IN A COUNTY UNIT SO WE WOULDN'T BE SENDING A CITY UNIT OUT SOMEWHERE FAR IN THE COUNTY THAN HAVING A COUNTY UNIT TWO OR THREE COUNTY UNITS HAVING TO COME TO THE CITY. HAD TO WORK OUR CALLS BECAUSE WE WERE UNAVAILABLE, SO WE WOULD BE PICKING UP THE. IT ALL GIVES IT TAKES ON WHAT TYPE OF CALL IT IS RIGHT SO FAR ARE CALLED MAJORITY THAT WE'RE PICKING UP OUR MEDICAL CALLS. AND THEY ANSWER THAT IS YES, BUT IF IT'S IF IT WAS AND IF WE WERE GOING OUT TO THE COUNTY FOR A FIRE CALL BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET. THE AMBULANCE. HE'S OFF OF A FIRE CALL, THEN. YES WE WOULD BE PICKING UP MORE AMBULANCE OR MORE FEASIBLE. I GUESS. RECENTLY I SAW OUR TRUCKS OUT PAST COVE ROAD. UH, CANTOR HIGHWAY, SO AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GAMBLE. IT'S GONE. YEAH. IT'S BOTH AGENCIES AND ORGANIZATIONS FEEL THAT THE IT'S TIME FOR SOME ADVANCEMENT WITHIN THE CITY AND FOR US TO BASICALLY. SERVE THE CITIZENS OF STEWART FULLY LIKE WE DO WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. I ACTUALLY I AGREE WITH THAT AFTER AFTER YEARS OF DEALING WITH FIRE, UM AND LOOKING AT MERGERS LOOKING AT INDEPENDENT DISTRICTS. UH. SPENDING A LOT OF TIME STUDYING IT. JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. IT'S PROBABLY TIME THAT WE START MAKING THAT MOVE FORWARD. I THINK IT WILL BE THE BEST THING FOR OUR CITY IN THE LONG RUN. SO THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE COST. I'M NOT SURE ARE YOU GONNA TALK ABOUT HOW FAR OUT OF BUDGET WE ARE? I'LL TELL YOU THE SAME THING. IT LITERALLY CHANGES AS I PRESS THE BUTTON, SO WE'VE BEEN AS CLOSE. 2 400,000 IN THE RED TO 2,000,006 IN THE RED, BUT THAT'S THEN YOU PUSH A BUTTON AND OH, YEAH, WE GOT TO ADD IN THE. OUR MONEY AND THEN SO I THINK. OH YOU'RE IN THE BLACK AGAIN. SO TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER THAT WE'RE OUT AT THE MOMENT WOULD BE A DISSERVICE, BUT I KNOW THE MANAGER CAME AND ASKED ME OUT OF CURIOSITY. I'M DEFINITELY A MILLION OVER AT THE MOMENT. BUT I SAY THAT EVERY YEAR SOUNDS LIKE A BROKEN RECORD. YOU KNOW, BETWEEN RABBITS. WE PULL OUT OF THE HATS AND THE SHARPENING OF PENCILS. I KNOW THAT HR HAS BEEN DOWN IN MY OFFICE TODAY, AND WE HAVE SHARED UP. YOU KNOW THE PERSONNEL NUMBERS AND. WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANY GRANTS THAT AREN'T MATCHING THE EXPENSES THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE PUT IN THE REQUEST, AND THEN THEY WERE AWARE OF GRANT, SO WE'RE GOING TO RUN THROUGH THE REVENUES AND MAKE SURE EVERY.

GRANT OPPORTUNITY OR STATE APPROPRIATION FUNDING IS REPRESENTED ON THE REVENUE SIDE. THAT WILL BE THERE FOR THE MANAGERS RECOMMENDED BUDGET AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP THAT YOU'LL SEE AND WE'LL GET A FULL PRINT OF ALL THE NUMBERS AND DETAILS FREE TO SEE WHERE THEY GO, AND THEY'RE WELL IDENTIFIED AND TAGGED AS TO WHAT'S FUNDED BY WHICH PROGRAMS IN THAT PRINT OUT. SIR. UM JUST JULIE. A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. UH, FIRE ASSESSMENT FEES.

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WHERE ARE WE ON THAT FIRST THIS YEAR VERSUS LAST YEAR. YOU HAVE ANY IDEA BECAUSE IT'S UM. AND IT ACTUALLY KIND OF GOES IN WITH MY NEXT QUESTION IS HOW MUCH OF THE ADVIL FORUM IS NEW CONSTRUCTION. THE NUMBER THAT WE JUST GOT ISN'T BROKEN DOWN THAT IT'S ON THE D R 4 20. I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T BRING THAT NUMBER WITH ME TO THIS MEETING, BUT I'LL SEND YOU I'LL SEND ALL OF YOU THE SAME EMAIL ABOUT WHAT THE BREAKDOWN WAS OF NEW CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE IT'S WHAT THE PROPERTY RAZOR COUNTED HIS NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THERE. SO I THINK I'M ANSWERING THIS IN REVERSE ORDER. I'LL GET YOU THE NUMBER ON WHAT WAS NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THAT 2,000,000,003 NUMBER. BUT AS FAR AS THE FIRE ASSESSMENT, WE'RE NOT DONE COLLECTING FOR THE CURRENT YEAR, BUT IF IT FINISHES WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT A MILLION TO SIX.

MHM AND THE CURRENT PROJECTED UH, TAX ROLL WOULD GENERATE ABOUT A MILLION 31. THE ISSUE BEING IT'S GENERATED ON THE MARKET IMPROVEMENT VALUE OF THE PRIOR YEAR, RIGHT SO, SO NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOT IN OUR SO THIS THIS. UM 22% INCREASE 22.9% INCREASE IN THE SIERRA AND 7.7% INCREASE IN GENERAL FUND WILL NOT BE IN THAT FIRE ASSESSMENT. WE DELIBERATELY ASSESS IT ON THE PRIOR YEARS. FINALISED TAX ROLL SO THAT THERE AREN'T ANY CHALLENGES TO THAT NUMBER, BECAUSE THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD AND THEY'RE CERTIFIED. THE LEEWAY IS SOMEONE MAY HAVE SOLD THAT PROPERTY BETWEEN LAST YEAR'S TAX RETURN THIS YEAR, SO EVERY YEAR THERE'S ABOUT EIGHT NEW LETTERS THAT GO OUT TO INDIVIDUALS. WAY THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY ASSESSED WAS IN 2014. WE WANTED TO RECOUP ABOUT 30% OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COST NOT THE M S SERVICE. JUST THE FIRE. AND WE HAVE NOT CHANGED THAT RATE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T GONE BACK AND DONE THE WHOLE DOG AND PONY SHOW. WE'VE KEPT THE RATE THE SAME KEPT THE ASSESSMENTS THE SAME, SO THERE'S BEEN NO NEW ADVERTISEMENTS. NO MEETINGS ON IT. THE RATE HAS REMAINED THE SAME SINCE. 2014 WHEN IT WAS ENACTED. SO THAT NUMBER HAS BEEN STEADILY GROWING FROM ABOUT 980,000 THE FIRST YEAR TO ABOUT A MILLION THREE NOW, SO IT'S BEEN KEEPING PACE. BUT THAT MARKET IMPROVEMENT VALUE AS A. TUCKED AWAY NUMBER ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER SITE. IT'S NOT YOUR TAXABLE VALUE, IT'S THE MARKET IMPROVEMENT VALUE, AND THAT NUMBER CAN SWING, YOU KNOW, VARIED. THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT FAR AS THE PROPERTY APPRAISER. UM PROPERTY INSTEAD HAVE BEEN SOLD. FOR WHATEVER REASON OR NOT. THE PROPERTY APPRAISER HAS NOT PUT THEM INTO THEIR SYSTEM YET PROBABLY EVENT SOLD SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. OH, SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WHEN THOSE.

PROPERTIES FINALLY DO HIT THE PROPERTY BECAUSE APPARENTLY THEY'RE MONTHS BEHIND. WOULD AFFECT THE TAX ROLLS OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, IS THAT THAT'S CALCULATED AT THE STATE FAR AS THESE TRANSFERS OF OWNERSHIP BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THEY REASSESS. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR JENNY'S. I KEEP CALLING HER JENNY. I'M SORRY. I KNEW HER PERSONALLY BEFORE SHE BECAME THE PROPERTY PRESENT. THE PROPERTY APPRAISER. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE PROPERTY APPRAISER APPRAISAL SCIENCES ITS OWN FAIR, BUT THIS IS THE CERTIFIED TAX ROLL. AND IF SOMEONE SAYS I SOLD THAT PROPERTY THAT GOES TO THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD AND THAT WOULD BE CHALLENGED, AND THAT'S AT D. R FOR 20 VERSUS THE D R 4 22 SO WELL, AFTER YOU FINISH ALL THESE MEETINGS, THAT NUMBER COMES OUT WAY LATER. SO THAT SALE IF IT WAS CHALLENGED WOULD COME THEN WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY. JUST HANG ON IT. ACTUALLY, MY WIFE DOES THAT WAS PURCHASED IN. FEBRUARY AND OCCURRING THE PROPERTY APPRAISER IS NOT CHANGING, AND YET THEY HAVE PUBLICLY ADVERTISED THAT THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR SOFTWARE SYSTEM OVER THERE AND THAT THEY'RE REVAMPING IT. WE PERSONALLY KNOW ABOUT THE. WOES OF, YOU KNOW, JUST EVEN A SIMPLE UPGRADE THAT GOES SIDEWAYS, SO I DON'T KNOW THE LAST TIME THE PROPERTY PRESSURE DID A MAJOR SOFTWARE UPGRADE. THERE WAS SOME DELAY. BUT I MEAN. ITS PROS AND CONS. SO THAT SALE THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING NOT BEING LISTED YET WOULD AFFECT THE ADVIL ARM TAX ROLL. BUT IT WOULDN'T AFFECT MY FIRE ASSESSMENT BECAUSE THIS IS ALL LAST YEAR'S FINAL I'M TALKING ABOUT, JUST ADD MORE RIGHT NOW, ABOUT THREE CASES OF THIS NOW THAT I'VE RECENTLY HEARD ABOUT THIS, SO, UH THERE'S SOME SORT OF DELAY. MAYBE IT'S FROM THE SOFTWARE UPGRADE. OR SOMETHING, BUT, UM, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY BIGGER JUMP THAT WE'VE. DON'T KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE IF THEY WERE THAT FAR BEHIND, IF THERE FOUR MONTHS BEHIND ON PROPERTY TRANSFERS THIS THIS IS A LITTLE KNOWN LAW, BUT I HAVE REFERENCED IN PREVIOUSLY. THE CITY OF STEWART IS ONLY EXERCISED IT ONCE DURING MY TENURE HERE. IF WE RECEIVE THAT D R. SO YOU HAVE TO DO ALL YOUR TRIM HEARINGS ON THE D R 4 20 THE NUMBER THAT IS ON THESE SLIDES, AND THAT WON'T

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CHANGE UNLESS THEY DECERTIFY IT CLAWED BACK AND GIVE IT TO US AGAIN. OKAY? WHEN THE D R 4 22 COMES OUT IF THAT FINAL TAXABLE VALUE IS MORE THAN 1% DIFFERENT. FROM WHAT WE HAD HERE. THE CITY OF STEWART CAN ADMINISTRATIVELY CHANGED THE MILLAGE. THAT MEANS ME DOWNSTAIRS AND THE MANAGER.

WE ONLY DID THAT ONCE DADDY'S AMERICO AND I CHANGED THE MILLAGE THAT THE CITY HAD ADOPTED AT THEIR PUBLIC MEETINGS. ADMINISTRATIVELY BECAUSE THE D R 4 22 CAME IN SO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED. IT WAS A 3.8% CHANGE. FROM WHAT? WE HAD ALL BUDGETED AND MET ON PUBLICLY AT THE TRIM HEARINGS, AND THAT IS LEGAL AND IT'S IN. IT'S IN THE STATUTE.

IT'S JUST VERY RARELY USED. EVERY ONE OF THOSE CHALLENGES TO THE TAX ROLL. THE CITY RECEIVES A LETTER AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE PRESENT AT THE HEARING. THEY JUST LET US KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS. SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT, COMMISSIONER, I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE MANAGER AND ALL OF YOU WERE AWARE AND IF IT WAS SOMETHING WHERE WE NEEDED TO ADMINISTRATIVELY CHANGE OUR MILITARY TO MAKE SURE WE COLLECTED THE SAME AMOUNT WE BUDGETED. THAT'S WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT. IS IT CAN ALSO GO THE OTHER WAY. IF THEY COME IN AND SAY, HEY, WE FOUND $20 MILLION THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS YOURS. YOU CAN ADMINISTRATIVELY CHANGED THE MILLAGE DOWN TO COLLECT THE SAME NUMBER, YOU KNOW SO MORE LIKELY WHEN IT WOULD BE IN THIS PARTICULAR IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. AS WE'RE SEEING SO MANY OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING SOLD RIGHT NOW WERE PURCHASED DURING THE RECESSION, RIGHT BOTTOM FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR, AND NOW THEY'RE SELLING IT AT A HIGH RATE. SO. I DO KNOW FROM PAST EXPERIENCE. IT'S NOT JUST ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. I THINK IT'S ON SALE ONLY, BUT IF IT'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, THEY CAN DO A BLENDED RATE OF. REVENUE GENERATED COMPARABLE SALES AND HISTORICAL SALE VALUES, SO THEY JUST MIX IT TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER THAT WON'T ALWAYS JUST TAKE A HIGH RESALE OR A SHORT SALE. WE FOUND THAT OUT AFTER THE HOUSING BUBBLE LIKE OH, ARE THEY GONNA CERTAINLY LIKE, NO, WE DON'T NECESSARILY RE TAX THE PROPERTY AT WHAT IT SOLD FOR WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, COMPARABLES AND ALL THAT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH HERE? LIST OF ANY OTHER QUESTION. YEAH, I HAVE ONE. VLADIMIR. SO I JUST WANTED. TO CLARIFY ON THE FIRE ASSESSMENT. YOU SAID GENERALLY, THE GOAL WAS TO COVER 30% OF THE FIRE OPERATING BUDGET, AND WE'RE KEEPING PACE WITH THAT DUE TO THE RISE AND ADD WARM OR NOT ADVIL OR IN BUT. THE NEW PROJECTS COMING ONLINE. I CAN'T OFF THE DOUBLE MY I TELL YOU, IT'S STILL RECOUPING 30% OF THE OPERATION. I'M JUST SAYING WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THE RATE RIGHT? ON IT YET, AND THAT'S WHAT ORIGINALLY DID IT MAY TODAY ONLY RECOUPED 28% OF THE OPERATIONAL COST. OR MAYBE IT COLLECTS 35% OF THE OPERATIONAL COSTS, BUT THAT THAT'S A VERY COMPREHENSIVE STUDY THAT WE HAVE NOT REPEATED SINCE THEN, BECAUSE THE COMMISSION NEVER WANTED TO CHANGE THE RAPE. RIGHT? OKAY? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR CITY MANAGER? DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WHEN IS OUR NEXT WORKSHOP? YEAH, THE DATE ON TOP YOUR HEAD. MM. SECOND MEETING AND SECOND MEETING IN JULY. SO I KEPT HIM ON THE REGULAR COMMITTING COMMISSION. MILLION DAYS. RIGHT SECONDARY CONDITION MEETING AND THAT ONE. WE SHOULD BE DOWN THE FLOOR AND BE LOOKING MORE AT THE EXPENSES.

AND MADAM MAYOR. ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER. SO, UM JOLY SAID THAT. WE'RE LOOKING AT BETWEEN THE RED. THE RED NUMBERS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 402 AND A HALF MILLION, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT CHANGES WITH IT'S GOING TO CHANGE. WHAT THE KEYS DOWNSTAIRS. YEAH. THAT, BUT THAT IS NOT AND PUTTING ANYTHING FOR THE RP FUNDS IN BUDGET. ACTUALLY THE MANAGER HAS GIVEN ME SOME EXPENSES, AND WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THE REVENUES MATCH. SO WE DO HAVE SOME ARE RELATED EXPENSES, BUT I'M MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE TO MATCH IT. AND THAT HE DOESN'T OVER GO OF THE 3,000,008 THAT I SAID IT COULD HAVE SO SOME OF THE PLANNED ARE RELATED EXPENDITURES ARE IN THERE, BUT THEY'RE MATCHING. OUR FUNDING IS IN THERE, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERYTHING FOR OUR PETS BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR, SO NOT NOT OVER BRIDGES AND OKAY, CORRECT AND THE REASON I HAVEN'T BROUGHT ANYTHING TO THE COMMISSION ON OUR PRESENTATION, ANYTHING YET IS BECAUSE. I'M WAITING FOR WHEN THE COUNTY GOT THEIR MONEY. THEY HAD A SIGN OF CERTIFICATION, AND THAT CAME ALONG WITH A PACKET OF INFORMATION ON WHAT WAS ALLOWABLE NOT ALLOWABLE AND ALL THAT STUFF, SO THEY GOT THEIRS DIRECTLY FROM THE TREASURY. WE'RE GETTING OURS AS A PASTOR FROM THE STATE. STATE HAS APPLIED FOR A 30 DAY EXTENSION FOR DELIVERY TIME. SO WE'RE IN A HOLDING PATTERN UNTIL WE GET OUR FUNDS AND CERTIFICATION FROM THE STATE. WE ANTICIPATING HAVING SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS HOPEFULLY AT THE NEXT BUDGET WORKSHOP. PRIOR DEPENDING ON WITH ME. GET THOSE OKAY? RIGHT. JOLLY THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO MAN. WELL, IF YOU

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WANT TO ADJOURN. IF NO ONE HAS ANY MATTERS, WE WOULD GET A JOURNAL BREAK UNTIL 5 30. HAVE

[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. WAIT UNTIL THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. I'M SORRY. EXPOSE ALL THAT. OH, SORRY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND. SO DO YOU HAVE THIS AGAIN, COMMISSIONER MEYER. AND IS THAT MY SPARE DID YOU SECOND THAT DETROIT? SURE MR MCDONALD.

OKAY, WE'VE HAD A PRETTY, UM IS WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BORDER WITH REGARD TO THE AGENDA. ALL IN FAVOUR. HI. HI. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING THE PRESENTATION, MY STAFF ON THE BUDGET OR ANY OTHER. COMMENTS FIRST COMMENTS ON THE GYM AS THE ITEM THAT WAS DISCUSSED. OR UH, COMMENT ON THE NON AGENDA. I AM. FEW MINUTES BACK. SOME MOM. IS THAT A MOVEMENT MR CAMPAIGN? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I

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WOULD ASK THAT WE ADJOURNED THIS WORKSHOP MEDIUM.

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