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YEAH. GOOD EVENING. MULA CLARK, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF STEWART. CALLING TO ORDER THE REGULAR

[Call To Order]

MEETING OF THE STUART CITY COMMISSION. ON JULY 26 2021 5:30 P.M. WE'RE A LITTLE BIT PAST THAT APPOINTED HOUR. AT 1 21 SELF WAS FLAGLER AVENUE AND STUART, FLORIDA. UH HUH. THEM.

CLERK WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MAYOR CLARKE? YES VICE MAYOR MATHESON. YES COMMISSIONER BRUNER HERE, COMMISSIONER MCDONALD HERE. COMMISSIONER MEYER HERE. THANK YOU. STALL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. TWO GUYS, OUR OWN PRESENCE IN THIS ROOM. LET US. PAID FOR OUR VICE MAYOR. LEAD US IN UNISON. YOUR ALLEGIANCE. STATES OF AMERICA.

PIZZA. BLACK FACE. WITH EVERY TEAM JUST. THIS ITEM IS THEIR COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONER

[COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS]

MR BRUNER. NO, I'LL PASS. MR MCDONALD. I HAVE NOTHING TONIGHT. THANK YOU. I MEAN, COMMISSIONER MEYER. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. UM, I JUST WANTED TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR JOINING US AT THE TREASURE COAST COUNCIL OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ANNUAL LUNCHEON AND OKEECHOBEE. LAST WEEK. IT WAS, UH, FOR A NICE PRESENTATION FOR SOME GOOD FOOD. UM. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO IT LAST YEAR, AND I JUST LOVE GETTING THE LOCAL ELECTED ALONG THE TREASURE COAST TOGETHER JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF FUN. UM, NEXT WEEK, I WILL BE HEADING TO THE, UM, NOTE. I'M SORRY. THE FOLLOWING I'LL BE HEADING TO ORLANDO FOR THE UM FLORIDA LEGAL CITY'S ANNUAL CONFERENCE. I'M ON THE RESOLUTIONS AND THE LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE WHERE WE'LL BE APPROVING ALL OF THE, UM POLICY PRIORITIES FOR THE LEAGUE FROM MY COMMITTEE GROUP AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER. THEIR OTHER FOUR COMMITTEES, SO ONCE THAT IS APPROVED AND VOTED ON BY THE GENERAL BODY, I'LL BRING THIS BACK TO YOU ALL, UH, FOR OUR POLICY PRIORITIES FOR SESSION COMING UP IN JANUARY. IT'S GOING TO BE HERE BEFORE WE KNOW IT. UM AND THAT'S ALL.

THANKS, MADAM MAYOR. GET SO MUCH VICE MAYOR OF. THANK YOU AND MEDICINE AND THANK YOU. TO OUR LOCAL HOMEROOM HERO. THE LUNCH WAS EXCELLENT. SAY, AS IT ALWAYS IS, IT WAS A PLEASURE GOING OUT THERE AND TAKE THAT MEETING. TAKE PLACE IN OKEECHOBEE. UM I WANTED TO THANK AND ALEC. UM FOR ALL THE WORK SHE DID IN PUTTING TOGETHER. SAYS A LOCATION SPONSOR FOR THE TREASURE GOES WATERWAY CLEANUP. AND THANK ALL THE CITY STAFF THAT CAME OUT AND, UM HELPED ROUND UP TRASH. UM. THANK MY FAMILY FOR PUTTING UP WITH ME, DRAGGING THEM OUT.

ANOTHER YEAR. UM. WE? WE PROBABLY FILLED UP. BY MY ESTIMATE, FIVE OR SIX EASY, LARGE TRASH BAGS IN SHORT TIME I'LL FOUND ALONG OUR RIVER. UM. I ALSO WAS FORTUNATE TO NOTICE A DOWNED NO WAKE. AISLING AND SIGN FLOATING IN THE CHANNEL. JUST OUTSIDE THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE. UM AND I LET OUR STAFF NO AND HOPEFULLY NO BOATS HIT IT. MHM. BUT ODDS ARE A BOAT DID COME IN CONTACT WITH IT THAT MORNING. THAT'S PROBABLY WHY IT WAS DOWN. UM MR LEGGAT JUSTIN. FOR ME. IT'S ON THE HAS BEEN PULLED. OUT OF THE WAY OF ANY BOAT TRAFFIC. IT'S AT THE BOAT RAMP. NOW. UM. TOMORROW AT CITY HALL HERE. WE ARE HOSTING THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. UM THEY'RE DOING. THEY'RE LISTENING TOUR. FOR COLONEL KELLY AND THE CORES DECISION.

UM. ON THE LOW SOME PLAN OF CC FOR THEIR FIRST PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE. UM THAT MODEL.

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REDUCES REGULATORY FLOWS. THE ST LUCIE ESTUARY BY ABOUT 67. FROM WE'VE BEEN GETTING IN MORE SO WAIT. MM. IT'S NOT ZERO. AND. THE JOB OF FIGHTING FOR OUR WATERWAYS WON'T EVER BE DONE UNTIL IT'S ZERO. AND THEN WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL THE OTHER SOURCES OF. POLLUTED WATER THAT ARE COMING INTO THE ST LUCIE THAT AREN'T FROM OUR OWN. TIDAL BASIN RUNOFF. UM. BUT AN IMPROVEMENT, A REDUCTION OF. 67% OR SELL. IS INCREDIBLE. UM THE REAL WORK COMES OVER THE NEXT. FEW MONTHS WHEN THEY ACTUALLY DRAFT THE PLAN BASED ON THE MODEL THAT THEY'VE CREATED AND DRAFT THE OPERATIONS OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT POINT. AND SO TOMORROW IS PART OF THE COURSE LISTENING TOUR ON ON. THE CHOICE OF THAT MODEL AND. AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PROJECT DELIVERY TEAM MEMBERS, WHICH I AND MR HOGARTH OR ONE THAT REPRESENT THE CITY OF STEWART. AND OTHERS TO GIVE INPUT TO THE CORE AS FAR AS HOW THEY WOULD OPERATIONALLY MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT MODEL. UM. AGAIN THANK YOU ALL THAT'S THAT'S A PLAN THAT CITY OF STEWART. ADVOCATED FOR AND SUPPORTED ITS THE BEST ALL AROUND PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE WATER FLOWS OF SOUTH FLORIDA, AND WE'LL KEEP ADVOCATING FOR THE WORK. IS NOT OVER LOW, SOME WON'T TAKE EFFECT. TILL THE END OF 2022 TO COINCIDE WITH THE HERBERT HOOVER DIKE. UH, FULL COMPLETION. UM, BUT. THAT MEETING AGAIN. COLONEL KELLY HERE WITH THE ARMY CORPS. UM, TOMORROW AT TWO O'CLOCK. VERY NICE. YOU GOOD QUESTION. OF. WITH THE REDUCTION OF 62% 64% OF 60. SAY 60 PLUS, YEAH, 65, PLUS HER MIND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE PROJECTS. OTHER PROJECTS LIKE THE LIKE THE. READ THE SOUTHERN RESERVOIR AND, UH AND, UH, AND TO SEE 44 RESERVOIR. THOSE PROJECTS, WATER FARMING. THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THOSE REDUCTIONS INCORPORATE THOSE INTO IT. THE C 44. IT DOESN'T REDUCE MUCH DISCHARGES FROM US WHAT IT DOES DO IT WILL REDUCE IN A WAY. UM. WATER THERE'LL BE AN INTERCONNECT CANAL BY ABOUT 2025. IT WILL HELP THAT INTERCONNECT WILL CONNECT THE C 23. BASIN. THAT FLOWS INTO THE NORTH FORK, AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DIVERT THAT WATER TO THE C. 44 INTO THE C 44 RESERVOIR. UM, THAT MODELING, THOUGH, THAT THE C 40 FOUR'S REDUCTIONS. AS FAR AS REDUCING REGULATORY FLOWS ONLY EQUATE FOR ABOUT 8% TOTAL. UM SO THERE'S NOT MUCH. MAJOR BENEFIT WITH THE C 44.

HOPEFULLY THIS YEAR WHEN IT FIRST KICKS ON, IT MIGHT SQUEEZE US OUT OF THE WAY OF DISCHARGES IF WE GET A HURRICANE RIGHT NOW, THE LAKE SAID. 13.53 FT. AND THE C 44 RESERVOIR WILL BE COMING ONLINE IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS. THE E A RESERVOIR IS NOT FACTORED INTO ANY OF THAT MODEL. WHEN THAT COMES ON, THAT WILL BE A REDUCTION THAT SHOULDN'T BE A MAJOR REDUCTION THOUGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR. AND THAT YES, SO I MEAN, FRANKLY, I'M MUCH MORE OPTIMISTIC AS LONG AS LOW. SOME KEEPS GOING. MM. THE BEST. YOU KNOW? FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL. STAKEHOLDERS IN FLORIDA. I THINK, UM I'M MUCH MORE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT WHERE WATER QUALITY WILL BE. IN THE FUTURE THAN I WAS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO. UM NO. UM MHM. OTHER THAN THAT. SEE. TALKED ABOUT THE COURSE MEDIA. I DID MENTION THE LAKE HEIGHT AND WE'RE JUST WATCHING MAJOR NAMED STORMS THAT CAN DRAW A WRENCH INTO TO WHERE WE STAND WITH THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO REGULATORY DISCHARGES. OF LAKE OKEECHOBEE OUR WAY ON THE HORIZON. MHM.

AND THAT'S ALL THAT MAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM THANK YOU, MISS GRUNER AND MR. MCDONALD. YIELDING THEIR TIME TO ME. THEY DIDN'T SAY THAT. MHM. OKAY I'M GOING TO BE LONG,

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SO BE PREPARED. UM. I JUST WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING THAT, UH. TODAY. I HAD A MESSAGE FROM WHEN GWENDOLYN BRINKLEY. AND SHE'S NOT GOING TO MAKE IT TO THE CITY COMMISSION TODAY. I THINK SHE SAID SHE MIGHT DO IT BY ZOOM IF SHE HAS A CHANCE. BUT IT IS, UM. ALMOST A JOY WHEN RESIDENTS ARE SO INTERESTED IN THE CITY, AND THEY'RE SO INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATE IN AND WHEN THEY CAN'T MAKE IT. IT'S LIKE, OH, I CAN'T SEE LIKE MY FAVORITE. T V SHOW OR SOMETHING, SO I'M GLAD THAT THERE'S THAT INTEREST IN THE CITY AND I APPRECIATE MISS BRINKLEY FOR HER PARTICIPATION AND HER INPUT. SO ON THAT NOTE, WE HAVE BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS GOING ON IN THE CITY. AND I WILL JUST STAND. TO MAKE MY ANNOUNCEMENT. THAT OUR CITY OF STEWART. HAS JOINED THE RANKS. OF HOSTING THE COW RIPKEN, WORLD SERIOUS AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME DRUMROLL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO THEY BROUGHT LEAGUE IS CELEBRATING ITS 70TH BIRTHDAY DATE. IN 2021. WILL BE HOSTING SOME OF ITS YOUTH WORLD SERIES GAMES IN MARTIN COUNTY AND IN THE CITY OF STEWART. IN HONOR OF THE SPECIAL MILESTONE. WE ANTICIPATE THAT CLOSE TO 10,000 PEOPLE WILL BE COMING TO THE CHURCH CIRCLES TO BE PART OF THE FESTIVITIES. WORLD SERIES GAMES WILL TAKE PLACE AT PINEAPPLE. HOW PATIO KEY SAILFISH AND CITRUS GROWTH PARKS FROM JULY 18TH JULY SIX.

THIS IS ALSO OF COURSE, I SAID THE FIRST YEAR FOR THE CITY HOSTING THESE ACTIVITIES AND ARE SELFISH PART. AS YOU REMEMBER. A FEW YEARS AGO, WE WERE ALMOST GOING TO GET RID OF THAT. WILL BE THE HOST FACILITY. FOR THE NINE AND UNDER DIVISION OF THE CAL RIPKEN BASEBALL TOURNAMENT. SIX GIRLS, YOUTH SOFTBALL DIVISIONS AND THE SECOND YOUTH BASEBALL DIVISION WILL ALSO BE PLAYING AT PUBLIC PARKS IN MARTIN COUNTY DURING THIS PERIOD.

TEAMS WILL BE ARRIVING AT THE STEWART AREA AT THE WEEK OF JULY, 25TH, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW, AND THE TOURNAMENT WILL BE BEGIN ON JULY 31ST WITH A SALUTE TO SERVICE DAY. PAST AND PRESENT MILITARY MEMBERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS WILL BE RECOGNIZED AND ONE WILL BE SELECTED TO THROW OUT THE FIRST PITCH FOR EACH GAME. NORMALLY THEY'D ASKED US TO COME TO THE PART, BUT I THINK ON THIS. THURSDAY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIG TRAGICAL EVENT. AT THE WHAT USED TO BE THE PORTS AND WHO'S THE CIVIC CENTER? IT'S NOW THE JIM CROW ALSO TELL ME THE NAME OF IT AGAIN IN THE MID FLORIDA CENTER. AND WILL BE SOME OF US WILL BE GOING UP THERE FOR THEIR EVENT. THEY START THE OFFICIAL THING. SO AGAIN, LET'S JUST GIVE OURSELVES A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. FOR BEING THE HOLES FOR THE CAL RIPKEN'S THANK YOU. I'M ALSO GOING TO BE DOING A LOT OF LITTLE READING. BUT BEFORE I CONTINUE WITH MY READING AGAIN AS VICE MAYOR, MATHESON SAID. I JUST WANT TO THANK THOSE WHO HAVE TALKED WITH THE WATERWAYS CLEAN UP AS WELL AS THE STREET CLEAN UP, WHICH WAS NOT PART OF THE BI MONTHLY CLEANUP IN EAST STEWART. THEY DID THAT. AND IT'S JUST SO GREAT. I KNOW THAT AN ELEGY IS HERE SOMEWHERE.

OKAY AND IS HERE AND MAYBE IF YOU EVER WANT TO GIVE A CHANCE TO DID YOU BRING A VIDEO OF ANYTHING THAT WAS DONE? NOTHING BUT HOW MANY POUNDS DID YOU COLLECT THEM? SWORN TO HEAR THIS, MAYOR CLARK, WE DON'T HAVE THE TOTALS AND YET, BUT WE DID FILL A FOUR YARD DUMPSTER OVERFLOWING AND THEN THE E STEWART COMMUNITY, UH, SIMULTANEOUSLY DOING A CLEANUP.

BELIEVE THEIR DUMPSTER WAS THREE QUARTERS FILLED, SO A LOT OF TRASH WAS REMOVED FROM OUR WATER AND OUR STREETS ON SATURDAY. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL. THANKS. I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE PICKING UP THE TRASH. BUT I'M KIND OF BORED THAT WE'RE CREATING SO MUCH TRASH, SO MAYBE WE NEED TO FIND SOME WAYS TO DEAL WITH SOME OTHER AREAS. BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM I'D LIKE TO READ SOMETHING JUST INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD, JUST TO BE SURE. THIS CAME INTO US EARLIER THIS MONTH ON JULY 12 2021 FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. HONOURABLE MAYOR FROM THE CITY OF STUART. THIS IS REGARDING

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THE SMALL CITIES COMING TO DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT CDBG PROGRAM. FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR 2019 HOUSING REHABILITATION FUNDING. AND THE CONTRACT NUMBER. DEAR MAYOR CLARKE, THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY IS PLEASED TO INFORM YOU THAT THE CITY OF STEWART HAS BEEN AWARDED $750,000. THROUGH THE SMALL CITIES COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM. YOUR COMMUNITY MAY BEGIN WORKING AND CURRENT COST ON YOUR PROJECT.

BEGINNING AUGUST 1ST 2021 THROUGH JANUARY 31ST 2024. HOWEVER REIMBURSEMENTS FOR ANY COSTS INCURRED CAN ONLY BE REQUESTED AFTER THE SUB GRANT AGREEMENT HAS BEEN SIGNED BY ALL PARTIES, AND I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT. MHM. VIDEO WILL BE HOLDING AN ONBOARD AND TRAINING WEBINAR ON AUGUST 12 2021 FROM NINE AM TO NOON, PROVIDED INFORMATION ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS THAT MUST BE COMPLETED. YOU'RE IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THE SUB GRANT AGREEMENT. IN ADDITION, VIDEO ANTICIPATES CONDUCTING AN IMPLEMENTATION TRAINING WEBINAR IN OCTOBER, 2021. PROVIDING MORE INFORMATION ABOUT PROGRAMME MONITORING THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE SUB GRANT AGREEMENT. IT IS REQUIRED THAT ONE REPRESENTATIVE ATTEND BOTH OF THE WOMEN OURS. HOWEVER WE ENCOURAGE ANY EMPLOYEES ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS WORKING ON THIS PROJECT TO ATTEND THE TRAININGS. AND THEY SENT US INFORMATION. I'M GOING TO TURN THIS BACK OVER THE CITY MANAGER AND TO THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. BUT AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THE STAFF HAS PUT IN. AS WELL AS OUR CONSULTANT, AND EVERYONE AND. WE KNOW THAT AS SOON AS THEY WORK ON THE PROJECT AND START IMPLEMENTING IT.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME GREAT RESULTS FOR CITY. ALSO RECEIVED THE LETTER FROM THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB ON A PROJECT THAT THEY WILL BE DOING. WHICH IS CALLED A REVIEW CASE FOR SUPPORT, AND THEY WILL BE MEETING AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH MYSELF AND OTHERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB IS INCLUDING THE CITY OF STEWART AND INCLUDING THE NEEDS. OF OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. IN THEIR PROGRAMMING, SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP IS THAT, UM. UM THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES IS HAVING THEIR MEETING. I THINK, AUGUST 12 TO 14 I BELIEVE. I'M SURE THAT, UM. COMMISSIONER MEYER IS GOING TO BE GOING AS A HOME RULE PERSON IS ALSO AS THE.

MEMBER OF THE LEGAL CITY'S OFFICIAL BOARD. AND, UM. WILL BE, UH, CAN THINKING ABOUT GOING MYSELF, SO I'LL HAVE TO GET THAT PAPER WORKING AND TALK MORE TO CITY MANAGER IF WE NEED ANY FURTHER REPRESENTATION. UNLESS ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER OF WE HAVE THE MONEY. I UM TO SEND SOMEBODY ELSE STOOD IN FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES. MEETING IN ORLANDO, SO THAT'S COMING UP. UM. ANOTHER THING THAT CAME UP IS THAT I AM A MEMBER OF THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL BOARD BECAUSE I WAS APPOINTED FROM THIS BOARD. THEY HAD A MEETING LAST FRIDAY. AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY BROUGHT UP WAS, UM FROM COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE TRAGIC LOSS AREA. PALM BEACH MARTIN ST LUCIE, INDIAN RIVER OKEECHOBEE COUNTIES.

ABOUT WHICH OF THEIR COMMUNITIES, WHETHER AT THE COUNTY LEVEL OR AT CITY LEVEL, OUR TOWNSHIP LEVEL HAD ADOPTED. THEY MAY 20TH. DATE WHICH IS THE FLORIDA EMANCIPATION DAY.

FOR AN, UH, HOLIDAY FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. OR ALSO THE JUNETEENTH FEDERAL HOLIDAY, WHICH HAS JUST BEEN ORDERED AND HOW THAT WILL AFFECT THE COMMUNITIES AND HOW THEIR, UM.

THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE ENDORSING IN ADOPTING BOTH PROCLAMATIONS AS WELL AS ALLOWING FOR EMPLOYEES WHERE THERE'S 1/4. FLOATING HOLIDAY OR FOR SOME OTHER WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE HOLIDAYS. SO UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BUDGET WORKSHOP. I THINK ON THIS THURSDAY AND THAT WILL COME UP AGAIN AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THE. OTHER COMMUNITIES THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMUNITIES WOULD ALREADY ADOPTED. ONE OR BOTH ARE UM AS THERE AS AN OFFICIAL HOLIDAY FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. IN THE NEXT COMING BUDGET CYCLE BECAUSE BOTH OF THOSE ARE BASICALLY IS SOMEWHAT NEW. THIS YEAR. MOST PEOPLE WERE JUST LEARNING ABOUT THE MAY 20TH.

FLORIDA EMANCIPATION DAY AS AN OFFICIAL TIME AS WELL AS THE, UM JUNETEENTH. SO WE WANT TO LOOK AT THOSE FOR OUR BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR'S OF THE. WOULD MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE

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PUBLIC WOULD THINK ABOUT THAT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSS AT THE BUDGET MEETING.

UM. HAD A VERY INTERESTING MEETING WITH THE HEAD OF THE. HOUSING AUTHORITY, THE STUART HOUSING AUTHORITY, MS BARTELS FROM FORT PIERCE. AND AS SOON AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK AND DEVELOP A RELATIONSHIP IN A GOOD CONVERSATION. HOPEFULLY SHE'S PLANNING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION TO US ABOUT HOW THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WORKS AND HOW THE FEDERAL GRANTS WORK AND HOW WE CAN DO. MORE WITH THEM IN STUART AND TRY TO GET TO UM, COMMUNICATE WITH THE PERSONS WHOM THEY RAN TO IN THE CITY OF STEWART. SO UM. THAT'S IT. IT'S NOT AS LONG AS I THOUGHT IT WAS. UH OH, YEAH, I DO HAVE ONE MORE THING, MR MARTEL. SO THERE'S AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY. I THINK IT'S AT AT NUMBER SEVEN. I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME. IT'S REGARDING THE ABANDONMENT OF RIGHT AWAY ON THE ALLEYWAY. I AM IS IT? ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? NO, MAN. IT'S A NUMBER FIVE. FIVE NUMBER FIVE. AND IT'S ACTUALLY WITH HERE. SO I LIVE AT 1008 SOUTHEAST 16TH COURT IN STUART, FLORIDA. I'M THE HOUSE THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE WHAT'S THAT? THE. AND THE GOOGLE BECAUSE OF ALL THE TREES. YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING ON MY HOUSE. JUST PLEASE. MY HOUSE DOESN'T SHOW UP ON GOOGLE. BUT, UM. A WAY FOR 17TH STREET BEHIND ME, IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE ABANDONED BY THE CITY OF STUART. I'M COMPLETING THIS FORMAL COMPLETED AFTER, UM TODAY'S MEETING THE HEARING BUT, UM. THIS IS FORM NUMBER EIGHT B. AND IT'S A MEMORANDUM OF VOTING CONFLICT AND I HAVE COMPLETED THIS AND THE NATURE OF MY CONFLICT. IS THAT LIKE I SAID, I LIVE UP 100 80 16 COURT. THE ALLEYWAY BEHIND ME HAS BEEN ABANDONED AND FURTHER THE ACTUAL STREET AND OTHER AREAS HAVE ALREADY BEEN OCCUPIED BY MARTIN COUNTY. AS A PART OF THE, UM. RUNWAY AIRSPACE AND THE ACCESS FOR THE AIRPORT. UM. ZONE THERE, AND THAT'S ALSO CLOSED OFF AREA. BEHIND MY HOME SO. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER THING THAT I NEED TO DECLARE, MR. MARTEL UM FIRST REASON AND NOT ANSWER. THE ALLEYWAY HAS NOT ACTUALLY BEEN ABANDONED. UM THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT AS TO WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE ABANDONMENT OR NOT, AND BECAUSE IT COULD IN ORDER TO BENEFIT TO YOU, YOU PROPERLY DISCLOSED THE FOR MAYBE, AND WE WILL FILE THAT WITH THE CLERK. OKAY THAT'S AND THIS YEAR. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. SORRY YEAH. BURNING MINUTES TO DISCUSS. THANK YOU.

SO I HAVE THAT, UM. HAVE I COVERED EVERYTHING THAT I PROMISE YOU WOULD COVER CITY MANAGER. YOU DID. I DID. I JUST WANT TO GET I DID NOT AGAIN, BUT I WANT TO THANK HELEN.

MCBRIDE FOR BRINGING UP OR COMING THAT SHE BROUGHT UP EARLIER IN OUR EARLIER MEETING.

ABOUT CLEANING UP PROPERTY AND. AS YOU CAN TELL. WE DID HAVE A LOT DOMESTICALLY NUP THIS WEEK WHETHER FROM THE WATER OR FROM FROM THE STREETS AND. PROBABLY NEED TO DO MORE AS INDIVIDUALS TO NOT CREATE SUCH SO MUCH WASTE, BUT. THAT'S ANOTHER STORY FOR ANOTHER TIME. LET'S CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA. IT SHOULD BE COMMENTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER. YES, HELEN. WE NOTICED THAT YOU WEREN'T HERE. THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING SO. I DO JUST WANT TO THINK, UH, AN L. A FOR THE RIVER CLEANUP WORK THAT SHE DID, AS WELL AS ALL OF THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED ON STEWART'S TEAM TO CLEAN UP WASN'T A HUGE PARTICIPATION THIS YEAR. BUT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT NEXT YEAR, I THINK AND IS GOING TO COOK SOME HAMBURGERS FOR US OR SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW. SO WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA BRIBE PEOPLE TO COME OUT TO HELP US NEXT YEAR.

UM. THE I JUST WANT TO ANNOUNCE ALSO THANKS TO MILTON LEG, GETTING HIS CREW IN THE TRAM CREW. THERE IS NOW AT THE WELLS FARGO PROPERTY THAT WE OWN. THERE'S SIGNS UP AT THAT LOCATION AND A STOP FOR THE TRIM AND THAT WILL BE OPEN. FOR PUBLIC PARKING FOR DOWNTOWN WEEKDAYS AFTER FIVE P.M. AND ALL WEEKEND LONG AND ON THE BUSIER DAYS THAT WE ARE HAVING EVALUATED THERE'LL BE A DIRECT TRAM, UH, PATH FROM THAT LOCATION TO HANEY CIRCLE AND BACK AND FORTH. SO THAT WE CAN USE IT AS A LARGER PARKING LOT AND GET PEOPLE DOWNTOWN QUICKER.

OKAY HERE HERE. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANKS. UM. BEFORE WE GO INTO

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THE AGENDA. I AM WEARING MY MASK BECAUSE. I DON'T KNOW. I JUST DON'T WANT TO BIG COFFIN.

THEN SOMEBODY GETS ALL UPSET, SO I'M TRYING TO DO MY BEST. YEAH. LET'S GO TO THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, AS PUBLISHED UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO ADD SOMETHING TO APPROVE. THAT MOVE BY COMMISSIONER MCDONALD'S SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR MEDICINE. UM. ALL IN FAVOUR.

DID WE GET ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THE AGENDA? NO ALL IN FAVOUR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE GO TO THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND I DON'T KNOW IF MR MARTEL WANTS TO GIVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR. RULES OR REGULATIONS. WHAT WE HAVE THE RULES OF CIVILITY.

WE'RE ALSO MAKING IF YOU MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT NOW. UM THEY'RE A SPECIAL ITEMS IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THOSE SPECIAL ITEMS. YOU CAN DO IT OR IF YOU HAVE TO LEAVE OR SOMETHING. YOU CAN MAKE YOUR COMMENT NOW AND IT WILL STILL COUNT TOWARDS AND SPECIAL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

LET ME SEE. I JUST HAVE. IT'S A SPEAKER NUMBER. JUST AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. YOU GUYS ARE WELCOME TO ADOPT THAT AS A PROCEDURE, BUT WE ONLY DISCUSSED THAT FOR THE OTHER THING. YEAH, THAT'S NOT UNTIL AUGUST NIGHT. YEAH. BUT, UM, WE HAVE SOMEONE ON ITEM NUMBER SIX AND THEN. JUST OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. MR WALTER LLOYD, ONLY SCOPE WITH A SPECIAL ITEM.

YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING YOU WANT AND NOT OKAY, I HEARD YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT CANTOR HIGHWAY DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT MEANT I WILL SAVIOR. ANYTHING YOU SAY ANYWAY, SO I'M GOING TO TRY AND KEEP IT AS GENERAL AS POSSIBLE. DOES PERTAIN TO THE PROCESS OF THIS CANTOR HIGHWAY PROJECT. AGAIN MY NAME IS WALTER LLOYD. AH MY ADDRESS IS ON THE GREEN REPEATED IF YOU WANT ME TO UM. JUST COME IN AGAIN TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IN RETROSPECT, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU ALL ARE DOING. YOU ARE OUR LEADERSHIP. YOU ARE DECISION MAKERS. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT YOU KNOW? IN RETROSPECT WHERE WE'VE WE'VE SEEN A SITUATION WHERE THE CITY HAS BEEN USED TO GET AROUND THE LAWS OF THE COUNTY. WITH AN ANNEXATION. WE'VE SEEN NEGOTIATIONS MADE AND PLANS DEVELOPED. WE'VE SEEN. AFTER THAT CITIZENS ARE INFORMED BY SIGNAGE NOTIFICATION. WE'VE HAD PRESENTATIONS GIVEN WITH EXTENSIVE PRESIDENT PREPARATION BY APPLICANTS. HAS RELATIVELY LITTLE PREPARATION BY THE CITIZENS, ESPECIALLY THE AFFECTED CITIZENS. UM. CITY VOTED FOR APPROVAL AT THE FIRST READING. AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE COMPLETE COMMENTARY BY THE PUBLIC. SO I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT, AND I HOPE THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO DESCRIBE TO MAKE THAT PART OF THE PROCESS. UM. WE ALSO DID NOT HAVE ANY EXPERT TESTIMONY BECAUSE WE WEREN'T AWARE THAT.

OUR OPINIONS DIDN'T COUNT LIKE AN EXPERTS DID. SO WE'VE WORKED ON THAT. YOU'VE GIVEN US THE OPPORTUNITY NOW WE WILL HAVE THAT FOR YOU. STATE APPROVALS. HAD THAT EXPERT TESTIMONY.

BEING GIVEN PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE THE PURSUIT AND FROM WHAT I'M LEARNING FROM OUR EXPERT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT MAY NOT HAVE HAD IT BEEN A PROCESS THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED TO THIS POINT. APPARENTLY WE HAVE GONE AROUND SOME OF ART CITY. LAWS AS WELL. I'M RESPECTFULLY APPEALING TO YOUR LEADERSHIP. TO REPRESENT US. ALLOW US HEAR US. AND OUR EXPERTS THROUGH OUR EXPERTS AND MAKE YOUR DECISIONS BASED ON THE TOTAL PICTURE WITH EVERYONE REPRESENTED. THANKS.

THANK YOU, SIR. AND BY THE WAY, WELL, WHAT'S GONNA MENTION FROM THE EXPERT WAS THE BOOK, UH, STRONG TOWNS, WHICH IS A GOOD INDICATION OF WHERE OUR COUNTRY I BELIEVE IS GOING TRENDING. IN THE WAY THAT THEY'RE DEVELOPING STRONG TOWNS, AND IT'S A BOTTOMS UP APPROACH. WHERE JUST LIKE WE'RE ASKING THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF INVOLVEMENT FROM THE BEGINNING. AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU AND MR LOL WE NORMALLY DON'T COMMENT IN BETWEEN WHEN PEOPLE SPEAK, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THANK PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THAT BOOK TO BE LOAN TO US, AND I'LL BE PASSING IT ON TO CITY MANAGER SO THAT. YOU CAN PASS IT ON TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE OF THE BOARD.

THANK YOU. AND I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER OUR ILL. YOU TELL ME HOW MANY YOU WANT, AND I'LL GET YOU MORE FOR EVERY ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHARE THEM BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF YOU AND EVERY ONE OF THE PLANNERS SHOULD HAVE HIM MAYOR. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ROOM

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THERE. I THOUGHT ALL OF US HAD THAT BOOK THAT WAS PUT IN OUR BOX. I READ THE BOOK. OKAY WHEN I THOUGHT I WASN'T SURE WHAT HAD RECEIVED IT, AND I WANTED TO ADD ON THE BACK OF THAT BOOK IS AH. WANT THE FOURTH SIDE OF SOME PEOPLE HERE IN STUART. LIKE 32 YEARS AGO WITH DO ANY MM. AND HOW WE GOT HIM HERE AND GOT THAT START IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 32 YEARS AND UP. I WAS WONDERING WHO SENT THAT BOOK BECAUSE. WELL AWARE OF WHAT'S IN THAT BOOK. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM WE'RE AT. THAT'S IT IN TERMS OF PERSONS WHO HAVE PUT IN, UH. HARD FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE'S ANYONE WAS A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT'S NOT ENERGY GENDERED ITEM WHERE THEY WANT TO SPEAK AT THE TIME WHEN THE ITEM COMES UP. YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT NOW FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. UM.

[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

OUR NEXT ITEM IS OUR CONSTANT CALENDAR, WHICH HAS THREE ITEMS ON IT. HAD A MAYOR IN MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. THERE'S A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR MATHESON SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MEYER. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE CLERK.

MISSIONER MEYER. YES, COMMISSIONER MCDONALD. YES COMMISSIONER BRUNER. YES, VICE MAYOR MATHESON. YES. MAYOR CLARK? YES? FIRST COMMISSION ACTION ITEM. IS THIS RIGHT AWAY

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R.O.W. ABANDONMENT OF PORTION OF SEMINOLE STREET AND OSCEOLA STREET ALLEY:

 

RESOLUTION  No. 70-2021; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA DECLARING PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 36 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA THE INTENTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION TO ABANDON AND TO SET PUBLIC HEARINGS ON AUGUST 23, 2021 AT 5:30 PM, AND SEPTEMBER 13, 2021, AT 4:00 P.M. IN THE CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS TO CONSIDER THE ABANDONMENT OF CERTAIN PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY WITHIN THE CITY, BEING THAT PORTION OF ALLEY, MORE CLEARLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT “A” ATTACHED; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

 

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ABANDON. FOR A PORTION OF SEMINOLE STREET AND OSCEOLA STREET RESOLUTION NUMBER 70-12.

UM I TURNED IN MARTEL, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE RESOLUTION TITLE? HIS RESOLUTION NUMBER 70-2021 A RESOLUTION THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, DECLARING PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 36 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA. THE INTENTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION TO ABANDON AND TO SET PUBLIC HEARINGS ON AUGUST 23RD. 2021 AT 5:30 P.M. IN SEPTEMBER. 13TH 2021 AT FOUR P.M. IN THE CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS TO CONSIDER THE ABANDONMENT OF CERTAIN PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY WITHIN THE CITY BEING THAT PORTION OF ALLEY MORE CLEARLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A ATTACHED HERE, TOO, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES, MADAM MAYOR, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. SECOND THERE'S A MOTION BY MENTIONER MEYER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER. MCDONALD'S ALL THESE EMS. JUMPED THE GUN, BUT I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH AND GIVE YOUR PRESENTATION, MR BEATS, OKAY. PLEASE STOP. CAN I JUST ANNOUNCE THAT THE THIS IS JUST THE INFORMATIVE THAT WE ARE ANNOUNCING THE ACTUAL PROCESS. THERE'LL BE AN ORDINANCE THAT ACTUALLY COMES BACK. SO FOR YOU, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT STAFF WAS ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE A PRESENTATION TODAY.

I PUT IT ON COMMISSION ACTION. JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE WE'RE MAKING AN ANNOUNCEMENT. SO READ THE RIFT TO READ THE TITLE IN. MADAM MAYOR TOM REACH FOR THE RECORD. UH THE MANAGER IS CORRECT. IT IS INTENT TO ABANDONED. ONLY WE WILL BE BRINGING THIS BACK TO YOU. IN AUGUST 23RD FOR FIRST READING. AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I GUESS IT'S NOT A QUESTION AS MUCH OF A STATEMENT, AND I KNOW THIS IS JUST ANNOUNCEMENT, BUT I KNOW I'VE BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF ALLEYWAYS IN THE PAST AND US HAVING MORE. ARE YOU MORE UNIFIED APPROACH TO THEM OVER ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY? UM THE REASON I'M MOTIONING FOR APPROVAL OF THE ANNOUNCEMENT WITH THIS ONE, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP THERE THAT THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE ALLEYWAY AS IT IS WITH THE STRUCTURE ALREADY ON THIS ON THE SUBJECT. ALLEYWAY AND THE NEIGHBORING PARCEL TO THE EAST. UH OR I GUESS THE ATTACHED PARCEL TO THE EAST WITH THE POOL RUNNING THROUGH IT. SO NORMALLY LARGER DISCUSSION, I THINK, AH, MAYBE TO BE HAD AT THE. ACTUAL ORDINANCE, UM, READING, UM. I THINK IF WE HAVE INTACT ALLEYWAYS THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY THAT COULD SERVE A PURPOSE ON THE ROAD. I THINK IT'S WORTH US REALLY CONSIDERING PRESERVING THEM. UM. SO THAT IN THE FUTURE, THEY THEY WOULD BE VERY USEFUL. I BELIEVE, BUT IN THIS CASE AS AS WE'VE ALREADY SEEN, UH, THE OTHER WAY NOT BEING COMPLETE.

I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. RELINQUISHING IT SO ANYWAY. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ON THE BOARD. GARDEN. THIS ANNOUNCEMENT. ANY COMMENTS

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FROM THE PUBLIC. THIS, MAC. BRIGHT. JUST A QUESTION. SO I UNDERSTAND. IF WE RUN, ABANDON THE ALLEYWAYS ARE WE SELLING THE LAND TO THE LANDOWNERS? YOU KNOW, LIKE I REMEMBER BACK WHEN THEY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO BANG AND THEN VALUE WAYS AND THE.

ONE NEIGHBOR COULD BUY 15 BIG MEAN IF I COULD IF I COULD CHIME IN QUICKLY BEFORE WE VIOLATE THE LAW. WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE SELLING THE PROPERTY TO THE LANDOWNER BECAUSE THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE LAW. BUT WE ARE ALLOWED TO CHARGE WHAT'S CALLED A PRIVILEGED FEED FOR THE COST OF DOING SO. IT IS A PURE. COINCIDENCE THAT THEY'RE PRIVILEGED B IN THIS CASE IS THE EXACT SAME NUMBER IS AN APPRAISAL. BUT THEY ARE NOT RELATED IN ANY WAY WAY. NO, NO, I JUST WANT TO BE SURE. YOU KNOW, UH, THAT EVERYBODY IS TREATED FAIRLY. YES NOW THE COMMISSION DOES HAVE THE ABILITY LIKE WHAT THEY DID ON THE. PROPERTY WITH THE, UH, MALI'S MOLLY'S HOUSE, WHERE THEY CAN WAIVE THE PRIVILEGE FEE OR WHEN THE COMMISSION UNDER STATE LAW IS NOT GOING TO BE USING THE RIGHT OF WAY. THEY THERE'S A PRESUMPTION THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO RETURN IT TO ITS UNDERLYING OWNERS. SO IN THE SITUATION WHERE THE COMMISSION WERE TO WAIVE AN ENTIRE STREET. WITHOUT AN APPLICATION FROM A RESIDENT TO DO SO IT WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO NOT HAVE A PRIVILEGE FEE BECAUSE THAT WOULD RESULT IN ONE PERSON COULD OBJECT. AND THEN THE WHOLE THING WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE TRANSFERRED. THE INTENT OF THE COMMISSION WOULD BE BROUGHT. JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE WE WENT THROUGH THIS IN ANOTHER TIME YEARS YEARS AGO. THEY WAS HERE WITH DREAMY SO I KNOW. I MEAN, WE WENT THROUGH IT ONCE WHEN I WAS MUCH YOUNGER, AND NOW TEAMS WERE COMING RIGHT BACK TO IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR. UM. WE NEED THE CLERK TO GIVE US A. WATER WAS ALL IN FAVORABLE. IT WOULD BE A ROLE COLUMN ROLE CALLED CLERK. MR BRUNER? YES COMMISSIONER MATTHEW I'M COMMISSIONER MCDONALD. YES VICE MAYOR MATHESON. YES. MAYOR CLARKE? YES, I SHOULD ADMIRE.

YES, THANK YOU. I PASSED THE GAVEL TO, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM MATHESON TO HANDLE THIS OTHER ITEMS. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. YOU CAN. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY BIG INTEREST, BUT JUST TO BE SURE. I'LL HANDLE ITEM FIVE. THE POWER OF THE GAMBLE. ITEM FIVE ON COMMISSION ACCIDENT. UM.

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AUTHORIZATION TO ABANDON RIGHT-OF-WAY BETWEEN SE 16TH COURT AND SE 18TH STREET:

 

RESOLUTION No. 72-2021; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE ABANDONMENT OF A CERTAIN RIGHT-OF-WAY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, BEING THAT PORTION OF LAND, WHICH LIES BETWEEN S.E. 16TH COURT AND S.E. 18TH STREET, WHICH IS MORE FULLY DEPICTED IN EXHIBIT “A” ATTACHED HERETO, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

 

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AUTHORIZATION TO ABANDON RIGHT AWAY. BETWEEN 16TH COURT. AND SOUTH EAST 18TH STREET. MR MARTEL, COULD YOU PRETTY, PLEASE READ RESOLUTION? THIS RESOLUTION NUMBER 72-20 RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE ABANDONMENT OF A CERTAIN RIGHT AWAY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS BEING THAT PORTION OF LAND, WHICH LIES BETWEEN SOUTHEAST 16TH COURT. IN SOUTH EAST 18TH STREET, WHICH IS MORE FULLY DEPICTED IN EXHIBIT A ATTACHED THERE TO THE WRITING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. THANK YOU MOVE TO A PROOF. SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MCDONALD AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MEYER ON RESOLUTION 72-2021. NOW THAT THE ITEM HAS COME UP, I'LL AGAIN RE INTEGRATE THAT I'M FILING THE FORM EIGHT B. AND THAT I WILL NOT WHETHER OR NOT TO HAVE ANY GREAT INTEREST JUST IN THE. FOR CAUTION PURPOSES ON ALL THE BOMB BE VOTING ON THIS ITEM. MAYOR WILL BE ABSTAINING FROM THE VOTE. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ON THE MOTION.

HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. MADAM CLERK. WE PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. VICE MAYOR MATHESON. YES.

COMMISSIONER BRUNER. YES, COMMISSIONER MEYER? YES FISHER MCDONALD? YES. AND FOR THE RECORD, MAYOR CLARKE. I'M UPSTATE UNDERSTANDING. THANK YOU. I'M FILING THE FORM A B YES. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, YOU PASS YOUR TESTS. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB PLACE, MAYOR. MM.

THERE ARE NO ORDINANCES FOR SECOND READING ON FIRST READING. WE HAVE AN APPEAL OF

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APPEAL OF DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY AT 728 NW DIXIE HWY FOR USE OF RETAIL SALE OF VEHICLE PARTS TOGETHER WITH VEHICLE REPAIR, WITH ALL ACTIVITIES TAKING PLACE WITHIN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED URBAN HIGHWAY. (QUASI-JUDICIAL)(RC)

 

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DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY. HAD 7 28 NORTHWEST DIXIE HIGHWAY FOR USE OF THE RETAIL SALE OF VEHICLE PARTS TOGETHER WITH VEHICLE REPAIR. WITH ALL THE ACTIVITIES TAKING PLACE

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WITHIN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING. PROPERTIES ZONE URBAN HIGHWAY. THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER. UM UH, CITY ATTORNEY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU NEED TO READ? I DON'T NEED TO READ IT. AND ALTHOUGH IT IS QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE UM. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO A P U D AS THERE IS NO BURDEN OF PROOF IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE FROM A STANDPOINT OF A COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO DV FROM THE CODE, BUT RATHER IN THIS CASE. UM, IT'S A AN APPEAL AROSE OUT OF A. CODE INTERPRETATION BY THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND THE APPELLATE. IS A RESIDENT WHO LIVES ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY AND HAS FILED AN APPEAL.

ESSENTIALLY YOU HAVE SOME ATTACHMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ATTACHED BY STAFF. I BELIEVE STAFF MAY HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION AND THEN NICK SCHROTH WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION. AND THEN I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON A LEGAL BASIS THAT YOU WANT, AND THEN WE COULD MOVE FORWARD ACCORDINGLY. OKAY? MR. UM THREE MONTHS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

COMING. FREEMAN, DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR UM. THIS ITEM IS AN APPEAL OF DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY AT A PREMISES. UH, A PLOT OF LAND KNOWN AS 7 28 NORTHWEST DIXIE HIGHWAY. FOR USE OF THE RETAIL SALE OF VEHICLE PARTS TOGETHER WITH THE COULD REPAIR. WITH ALL ACTIVITIES TAKING PLACE WITHIN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING. THE PROPERTY IS OWNED URBAN HIGHWAY AND LOCATED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA. SO DETERMINATION OF COME THAT COMPARABILITY. GENERALLY YOU CONSIDERATION OF USERS NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED. IF THEY USE IS NOT LISTED WITHIN A SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICT THAN THE USE IS NOT ALLOWED. SO THE DETERMINATION HERE WAS TO TRY AND ESTABLISH WHETHER OR NOT. THE USES PARTICULARLY LISTED IN THIS ALLOWABLE USES FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT. SO STAFF USED THE FOLLOWING ITEMS TO, UM AS FACT, IN MAKING THEIR DECISION, THE LOCATION ZONING, THE FUTURE LAND USE, AND THE USE IS ALLOWED WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO THE LOCATION IS ADDRESSED AS 7 28 NORTHWEST DIXIE HIGHWAY. IS LOCATED ON THE SLIP EXIT OF, UM NORTHWEST FEDERAL HIGHWAY. AND WHICH LEADS TO NORTHWEST DIXIE HIGHWAY. FUTURE LAND USE. AS I SAID, REITERATE ITS IN THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA, AND ITS FUTURE LAND. USE IT DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT. ZONING IS URBAN HIGHWAY. AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE WITH THIS DETERMINATION. IT'S A BUTTERED BY URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH. AND ALL THREE, TO THE WEST. URBAN HIGHWAYS GENERALLY, UM, SET OUT ALONG US ONE FEDERAL HIGHWAY, BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH. IT. ENCOURAGES HIGHWAY ORIENTED COMMERCIAL OR HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USES, AND YOU NOTICED THAT WHERE YOU DO SEE IT. URBAN HIGHWAY. THERE ARE A LARGE PARKING LOTS. FROM SECTION 3.1 POINT 03 POINT F POINT, TOO. THE URBAN CO. DISTRICT USES AND THERE'S A TABLE WITHIN THAT SECTION, WHICH RELATES TO AUTOMOBILE REPAIR SERVICE. AND I'VE. COPIED AND PASTED THE WORDING AND I THINK IT INCLUDES A TYPO IN THERE WHEN I INCLUDED THAT. WITHIN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING IN A LONG US ONE FEDERAL HIGHWAY AND SAVANNAH ROAD ONLY SO. THE USE OF AUTOMOBILE REPAIR SERVICE WITHIN THE CODE AND THE DESCRIPTION WITHIN THE CODE FROM A STAFF POINT OF VIEW. UM.

STATES THAT IT'S IN IF IT'S IN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING AND THE PROPERTIES ALONG US ONE, UM IT IS PERMITTED. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS WHERE MAYBE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION MAY OCCUR, BUT STUFF. TAKE THE FRONTAGE OF THIS PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ADDRESSED ON DIXIE HIGHWAY. THIS PROPERTY IS ALONG US ONE OR US NORTHWEST FEDERAL HIGHWAY AND THAT IT FRONTS THE SLIP. RODEWAY, WHICH IS, UM, NAMED. NORTHWEST FEDERAL HIGHWAY, AND THAT'S. BOTH ON THE CITY SYSTEM AND ON OTHER SYSTEMS NATIONWIDE. SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO HEAR THE EVIDENCE THAT, UM IN FRONT OF YOU AND DETERMINED TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPEAL. AND WITH

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THAT I WILL HAND OVER TO THE APPELLANT. THE APPELLANT IS MR NEXT THROB SCHROTH AND, UM. I KNOW THAT I JUST BRIEFLY SPOKE WITH MR STRAW MYSELF. I KNOW THAT, MR MORTALS SAID THAT WE DID NOT HAVE TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE NORMALLY DO. BUT, UM. I THINK IT WOULD STILL BE APPROPRIATE. IF ANYBODY HAS IT HAD ANY EXPORTED COMMUNICATIONS WITH MR SCHROTH.

UH, THE APPELLANT. IF THEY WANT TO DISCLOSE IT AT THIS TIME. UM. AND THEN MR MR SHORT, WILL GIVE HIS PRESENTATION. ANY EXPORTED COMMUNICATION. LOOK WITH STAFF AND I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO MR SCHWARTZ ABOUT IT A MARATHON OPEN MIND. I'VE SPOKEN WITH. NICK AND WITH STAFF AND I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND. MADAM MAYOR, I'VE SPOKEN WITH MR SHAW, BOTH AS WELL AS OUR CITY STAFF. UM ABOUT. THE DECISION BEFORE. MM. THE MAYOR. I'VE SPOKEN WITH RESIDENTS, UM, WITH STAFF. I HAVE RECEIVED COMMUNICATION FROM MR SHORT, BUT I HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH HIM ON THE MATTER DIRECTLY. THE APPELLANT WOULD JUST TELL ME HOW TO PRONOUNCE IS THEM PROPERLY LOVE KNOWN YOU FOREVER. THAT'S ALRIGHT, SCHROTH, OKAY? THANK YOU, SIR. IT'S YOUR TURN TO, UM. DIRECT THE DETAILS OF YOUR APPEAL TO US. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS AND THANK YOU. STAFF NICK SCHROTH FOR THE RECORD 6 23 NORTHWEST PALM STREET. IS MY ADDRESS. UM, AS STAFF HAS POINTED OUT, I'M HERE TO APPEAL THE DETERMINATION OF THE. STAFF THAT THIS IS A PERMITTED USE ON THIS SITE. IN YOUR PACKET. THERE'S A THERE'S A FULL. ARGUMENT THAT I'VE MADE REGARDING THAT. I'LL TOUCH ON A FEW OF THOSE POINTS HERE AND THEN AND THEN EXPAND INTO A FEW OTHERS THAT I BELIEVE ARE PERTINENT TO THIS. UM. SO JUST TO GIVE A LAY OF THE LAND 6 23 PALM STREET IS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. UM. WHEN I PURCHASED THIS LOT AND MADE THE INVESTMENT TO BUILD A HOME THERE FOR LIFE AND I TO LIVE IN AND RAISE A FAMILY. WE.OGNIZANTL FACILITY. IT'S QUITE THE FACILITY. SO WE KNEW THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW WE NEEDED TO KEEP AN EYE ON. BUT YOU KNOW? WE PURCHASED A LOT IN THE SIERRA BECAUSE OF THE CODES AND THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE INTENT OF THE SCIARRA AND SO UM I BELIEVE THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN. BRUSHED ASIDE HERE AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S PART OF MY APPEAL. UM AS FAR AS THE UH HUH. ADDRESSING UM YOU KNOW, MY PACKAGE APPEALS THERE, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSES THAT AND I'LL GET INTO A FEW OF THOSE POINTS SO OBVIOUSLY WITH NUMBER FIVE, THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY IS DIXIE HIGHWAY. IT HAS THAT ADDRESS. UM. I DISAGREE WITH STAFF ON NUMBER SIX. ACCESS IS FROM DIXIE HIGHWAY IN YOUR FEW IN THE PACKAGE THAT I'D PROVIDED YOU OTHERS PICTURES OF HOW THE PROPERTIES ACCESS FROM DIXIE HIGHWAY. THE LEFT HAND TURN LANE DIRECTLY THAT ACCESSES NO OTHER PROPERTY FROM DIXIE HIGHWAY EXCEPT THIS PROPERTY. UM. ANOTHER LARGE FACTOR. HERE IS THE LETTER THAT WAS ISSUED BY THE CITY IN 2000 AND 16 TO MR BRINKER. UM, IT REGARDS THE. LOSS OF GRANDFATHERING RIGHTS RELATED TO THIS PROPERTY. SO IN 2016, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE FACILITY OR THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN SHUT DOWN FOR PERIOD OF TIME, SUCH THAT ANY USE THERE WOULD HAVE TO CONFORM TO CODE.

UM I TOOK GREAT HOMAGE IN THIS LETTER, ALONG WITH OTHER NEIGHBORS WHO I THINK YOU'LL HEAR FROM TODAY AS WELL. AND THAT THE INVESTMENTS THAT I MADE IN THE AREA OF THIS PROPERTY. WE'RE GOING TO BE JUSTIFIED BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE HELD TO THE CODE. THE SAME URBAN CODE THAT I'M BUILDING TO THE SAME URBAN CODE THAT ANYBODY WOULD HAVE TO BUILD TO THE SAME URBAN CODE THAT. AS YOU KNOW, GREATER AND MORE THOROUGH THAN REGULAR CODES THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, REDEVELOPED THIS AREA. NUMBER EIGHT. THE URBAN HIGHWAYS OWNING SPECIFICALLY RESTRICTS THE USE OF AUTO. THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY IN SAVANNAH ROAD, SO THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE. WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, A PROVEN UNDERWATER BASKET WEAVING OPERATION HERE, AND THAT IS NOT A USE THAT THE CODE SPECIFICALLY PERMITS, BUT IT'S SIMILAR TO ANOTHER COAT, NOT ANOTHER USE. ADMITTED UNDER THE CODE THIS USES SPECIFICALLY NOT PERMITTED ON THIS PROPERTY. A COUPLE OTHER ONES TO TOUCH ON NUMBER NINE, UM I TOUCHED ON

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THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT. IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE TRAVEL LANES OF FEDERAL HIGHWAY. YOU HAVE TO TRAVEL AT LEAST A MILE. EITHER UP TO WRITE BOULEVARD OR SOUTH TO JOAN JEFFERSON WAY TO ACTUALLY ACCESS A TRAVELING OF FEDERAL HIGHWAY. UM. AND THEN NUMBER 12. NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE. CHARACTERISTICS OF THE OF THE USE HAVE BEEN PROPERLY EVALUATED. GIANT OIL AS A FUEL JOBBER, AND IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT FUEL DRIVERS DO THEY OPERATE FUEL DISTRIBUTION AND THEY HAVE TRUCKS AND THEY HAVE OIL. REALLY STORE OIL AND WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'LL FIND ON THE PROPERTY TODAY. SO IS THE APPLICANT OR IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? GOING TO BE STORING, YOU KNOW, BULK OIL ON THIS PROPERTY. DOES THAT CHANGED THE OCCUPANCY OF THE BUILDING IF ALL OF THE GRANDFATHERING RIGHTS OF THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN. HAVE BEEN LOST. WILL THE BUILDINGS OCCUPANCY CHANGED FROM, YOU KNOW? WHATEVER IT WAS BEFORE TWO LEVEL H HAZARD OCCUPANCY, AND IF SO, WHAT IS BEING DONE TO FIRE PROTECT THAT BUILDING? WHAT KIND OF LIFE SAFETY. MEASURES HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO, YOU KNOW, PERMIT THIS USE AND HOW DOES THAT APPLY? OR HOW DOES THAT CONFORM TO 2021 BUILDING CODE? UM. THAT TOUCHES ON A FEW OF THE THINGS HERE. FUEL TRUCKS BEING PARKED ON SITE. I DON'T KNOW IN MY PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, I DIDN'T FIND ANY RELATIVE. YOU KNOW INFORMATION. IF THIS WAS A PUBLIC PROCESS, THESE QUESTIONS COULD HAVE BEEN ASKED IN A PUBLIC FORUM. SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. STORM WATER IMPROVEMENTS. UH IT DIDN'T APPEAR THAT THERE WAS ANY PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS PLAN. IN FACT, THE APPLICATOR THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS CITED FOR A CODE VIOLATION FOR TRYING TO TRENCH INTO A NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE COULD, IF THE BUILDINGS LOST ALL ITS GRANDFATHERED RIGHTS, AND IT NEEDS TO CONFORM TO THE CODE. STORM WATER IS A CODE REQUIREMENT. YOU KNOW, AT NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT I'M DOING THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE CITY HAS, YOU KNOW STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS THAT COST HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND. WERE REQUIRED TO MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS AND I'M HAPPY TO BECAUSE IT HELPED IT LEADS TO A CLEANER RIVER. AND YOU KNOW THAT'S REALLY A GOAL THAT WE ALL YOU KNOW, HOLD VERY HIGH. UM. 12 12 DOT I SAYS THAT THE TYPE AND EXTENT OF IMPACT ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES CREATED BY THE PROPOSED USE IN COMPARISON TO IMPACTS FROM OTHER USE IS ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICTS. YOU KNOW, I WAS NEVER CONTACTED AND SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW WAS THIS IS THIS A USE THAT YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH. IN FACT, WHEN ROOSEVELT TIRE AND AUTO WAS SOLD TO BECOME PART OF THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY UP THERE, I WAS CONTACTED BY TERRY MCCARTHY REPRESENTATIVE ROOSEVELT TIRE AND AUTO AND HE ASKED. HEY, IF WE APPLIED FOR VARIANTS HERE, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU. IN FAVOR OF IT, AND I TOLD HIM NO, AS I THINK OTHER NEIGHBORS DID AS WELL SO THAT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN THIS TIME AROUND. UM. YOU KNOW, MR BANKER WHO? WHO YOU KNOW IS REPRESENTING THIS PROPERTY.

SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THAT SITUATION. HE WAS THE ADDRESS PERSON IN THE LETTER FROM 2016 SO. YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE WAS JUST THE CHANGING GARDEN. THE PROPERTY OWNER TOOK ADVANTAGE.

UH HUH. SO THE USE IS SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE. THE APPLICATION OF A SIMILAR USE DOESN'T DOESN'T HOLD WATER IN THAT SITUATION, IN MY OPINION, SO WE, YOU KNOW AGAIN, WE CAN'T CALL IT. YOGA IF IT'S UNDERWATER BASKET, WEAVING IN THIS CASE, I MEAN, WE COULD IN THAT CASE, BUT IN THIS CASE THE USE OF SPECIFICALLY REQUIRED TO BE ON FEDERAL HIGHWAY. SAVANNAH ROAD, AND THIS IS DIXIE HIGHWAY, AND IT'S A PROHIBITED USE BASED ON THE CODE. UM I'D ALSO LIKE TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THE. MATTERS THAT WEREN'T ADDRESSED AS WELL. UM THE URBAN CODE HAS VERY SPECIFIC DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AND YOU KNOW AGAIN WHEN. WHEN DECIDING TO BUILD ON THE LOT THAT WE CHOSE TO BUILD ON. WE KNEW THOSE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS. WE FELT THOSE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE APPLIED TO ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION ON THE ON THE REBEL OIL FACILITY. AND I FEEL LIKE IN THIS CASE, THEY WERE NOT, UM. SO SECTION THREE DOT A 11 A SAYS THE PURPOSE OF THE URBAN CODE IS TO ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT. I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE SUPPLIED WITH THAT PURPOSE HERE. NONCONFORMING USES, UH. AGAIN THE LETTER FROM THE CITY IN 2016 ADDRESSES THAT THE. THE PROPERTY HAS LOST ALL ITS GRANDFATHER AND USE, UM NO BUILDING OR OTHER DEVELOPMENT. OTHER LAND DEVELOPMENT PERMIT SHALL BE ISSUED BY THE CITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR UNLESS ALL PROVISIONS OF THIS CODE HAVE BEEN MET. SO WE'LL TOUCH ON THAT APPLICATIONS ARE REQUIRED TO CONTAIN PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT

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ACTIVITIES AND DESIGN BUILDING PLANS FRONT REAR. INSIDE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS.

THERE'S BEEN NO ELEVATIONS. I UNDERSTAND WE'RE WORKING WITH WHAT'S EXISTING HERE. BUT ARE WE? ARE WE CHANGING ANYTHING OF THE EXISTING? ARE WE MAKING IT LOOK ANY BETTER? I DON'T BELIEVE THE APPLICANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER IN THIS CASE, UH, MADE ANY OF THESE APPLICATIONS AND PROVIDED ANY OF THIS INFORMATION. UM. SHOULD BE UNLAWFUL AND A VIOLATION OF CITY CODE FOR ANY PERSON TO CONSTRUCT, RENOVATE OR REMODEL. RENOVATE EVERY MODEL IS IMPORTANT HERE. I BELIEVE BUILDING WITHIN THE URBAN CODE DISTRICT EXCEPT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THIS URBAN CODE. 3.1 POINT 03 URBAN STANDARDS AND REGULATIONS FOR DESIGNATED URBAN SUB DISTRICTS. SECTION D STATES. THE SETBACK FOR THE BUILDING SHOULD NOT BE MORE THAN 10. FT. I BELIEVE THAT. BUILDING DOES HAVE A SET BACK MORE THAN 10 FT. BUT THERE WASN'T A SURVEY INCLUDED AS THAT I COULD SEE THAT, UM YOU KNOW, PROVIDED FOR THAT. THE REAR SETBACK AT 15 FT. THE MINIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IS TWO STORIES OR 26. FT. FROM THE FRONT BUILDING IS A SINGLE STORY BUILDING. SO WE ARE WE ISSUING A VARIANCE FOR THIS OR OR ARE WE NOT? ALL PARKING AREAS SHOULD BE LOCATED BEHIND THE REAR FACADE OF A PRINCIPAL BUILDING OR SCREEN FROM PUBLIC RIGHT AWAYS. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S HAPPENING HERE. CUTS, NOT MORE WARRANT MORE THAN ONE CURVE. CUT EVERY 100 FT. I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT. FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SECTION OF THE CODE THAT REQUIRES THE BUILDINGS GET SET TO A CERTAIN FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION TO AVOID FLOOD DAMAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN HANDLED HERE. AGAIN TOUCHING ON STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. UM. IT REALLY? THERE WASN'T A STORMWATER PLAN ISSUED THERE WASN'T. PERMIT FOR STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS TO MY KNOWLEDGE. PUBLIC ART. NOT A PART OF THE PACKAGE. LANDSCAPE BUFFERS ARE TO BE 25% OF THE SETBACK. I KNOW THERE WAS A LANDSCAPE PLAN, PROVIDED. I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE IT. CONFORM TO THIS CODE. SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING. UM STAFF COULD TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT UM. SECTION G TWO DOES GIVE THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR SOME LATITUDE TO WORK AROUND EXISTING CONDITIONS, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T LESSEN THE REQUIREMENT AND. PART OF THIS, UH, REQUIREMENT THAT STREET FACADE OF A BUILDING SHALL CONTAIN HEDGE POTTED PLANTS OR TREES PLANTED IN PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. I KNOW. I KNOW THAT HASN'T HAPPENED HERE SO YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING WHAT YOU KNOW HOW THAT WAS DEALT WITH? ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND REGULATIONS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FAIRLY FAIRLY BIG ITEM HERE. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED. THERE'S REALLY. WE PUT A LOT OF WEIGHT IN THIS WHEN WE DECIDED TO BUILD THEIR BECAUSE THE C R A WOULD GENERALLY REQUIRE. PRETTIER BUILDING. THEN YOU WOULD GET ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY AND CERTAINLY IN THE COUNTY SO UM THINGS LIKE. WAS LIKE THE MANSARD ROOFS. UM. WINDOWS AND DOORS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WAS SUBMITTED THAT SHOWED THAT EITHER WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE CONFORMS WITH CODE OR WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE. INFORMS WITH CODE. BUILDING COLOURS AND FINISHES. THEY PROCEEDED TO PAINT THE BUILDING WHITE AND BLUE, SIMILAR TO AN EXXON STATION, AND I DON'T THINK THAT MEETS THE CODE. UM SO I. EVEN SIDEWALKS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE SIDEWALK THERE IS A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S SIX FT. BUILDING AND SITE LIGHTING SHALL BE DECORATIVE. THEY REPLACED ALL THE LIGHTING. THERE WAS NOT DECORATIVE. TOP FACILITIES SUCH AS AIR CONDITIONING UNITS, AS WELL AS EXTERIOR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SHALL BE SCREENED SO AS TO NOT BE VISIBLE FROM PUBLIC VIEW. YOU CAN SEE THE ROOFTOP A C UNITS ON THIS PROPERTY THAT PREFERRED PROPOSED GNOME ANSWERED, OR ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, REMEDY TO THAT. UH HUH. SO OH, THE CODES ALSO PRETTY SPECIFIC IN WHAT IS ALLOWED AS A MINOR CONDITIONAL USE. AND THAT IS SPECIFICALLY PUBLIC ART AND ARCHITECTURAL MATERIALS.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS A MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE, AND I THINK. IMPORTANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE USE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS JUST NOT ALLOWED. OTHER ITEMS THAT I POINTED OUT TODAY. WHERE YOU KNOW, I TAKE ADDITIONAL ISSUE WITH THE DETERMINATION. AND.

THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO REQUIRE VARIANCES TO BE USED, AND THAT'S FINE. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH VARIANCES, BUT THE PROCESS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN AS A MAJOR URBAN CONDITIONAL USE. THAT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC INPUT. IT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED.

YOU KNOW I CAN'T MOVE THIS BUILDING. I'M TRYING TO REUSE IT. IT'S ONLY ONE STORY. WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP? OKAY WOLF. LET'S COME UP WITH IDEAS AND LET'S LET'S FIGURE IT OUT THIS.

THIS PROPERTY WILL REQUIRE, UM YOU KNOW, SOME SOME. PUBLIC INPUT IS VARIANCES AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT I'M NOT. AN ANTI VARIANCE PERSON. THE CODE DID NOT. NOT BUILT AROUND

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THE REB OIL FACILITY, BUT. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS IN THE CODE THAT ARE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW? NOT TO BE DEVIATED FROM IN MY MIND, AND I THINK IT STARTS WITH THE PURPOSE AND THE INTENT OF THE OF THE CODE, AND THAT IS TO FOSTER REDEVELOPMENT IN AREAS THAT MERIT REDEVELOPMENT. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU, SIR. UM. AFTER YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR SCHULZ? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR SHRAPNEL. MANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR SHAW. MR SO WHAT YEAR TO DO BY THE PROPERTY, BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 2018.

AND MR MEYER. UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR GROWTH. I MEAN, I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS, BUT. I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM SO. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME WITH AN APPEAL LIKE THIS. UM. JUST FOR OUR PURPOSES APPEAR. ARE WE LOOKING TO UH, MAKE A MOTION TO GRANT THE APPEAL AND THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT GO THROUGH THE APPEAL HAS SO YOU DID THE PURSUANT TO THE PURSUANT TO THE CITY CODE. EIGHT POINT. IT SAYS THAT A PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE RIGHT TO AN APPEAL OR APPEAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE OR DECISION BY A STAFF MEMBER. SO HE FILED THE APPEAL. AS AS AS BACKGROUND. YEP THE DOCUMENTS ATTACHED FROM MY BY MR FREEMAN IN THE STAFF ITEM IS IN FACT. HEAVENS DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY THAT WAS ENTERED. I BELIEVE ON MAY 4TH OR FIFTH OF 2021. MR SHROFF HAD 30 DAYS FROM THE ENTRANCE OF THAT TO FILE HIS NOTICE OF APPEAL, WHICH HE PERFECTED AND DID IN FACT FILE WITHIN THAT 30 DAYS ORIGINALLY. REPRESENTATIVE GIANT OIL HAD TAKEN A POSITION AND WRITTEN A LETTER SAYING THAT HE OBJECTED TO MR SCHROTH. FILING HIS APPEAL BECAUSE IT WAS UNTIMELY BECAUSE GIANT L TOOK THE POSITION THAT IT HAD BEEN GRANTED. THIS DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY SOMETIME BEFORE AND THEREFORE THE 30 DAYS HAD RUN. THAT DIDN'T END UP COMING TO FRUITION OR ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT BEING PRODUCED, AND IN FACT THERE WAS PRODUCED BECAUSE GIANT ALL TOOK THE POSITION THAT IT WAS BASED UPON THE FACT THAT THEY HAD BEEN ISSUED A PERMIT. PERMIT THAT WAS ISSUED BY TOM REED'S, WHICH IS ALSO IN THE AGENDA PACKET. THE LAST SENTENCE OF THE PERMIT. VERY CLEARLY, STATES. THIS IS NOT AN ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANTS. THIS IS NOT THE DETERMINATION COMPARABILITY, ETCETERA, AND RATHER, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE OBTAINED LATER. WHICH DEMONSTRATED THAT IT CAME DOWN SO THE APPEAL HAS BEEN TIMELY FILED BY NICK. THE APPEAL IS BEFORE YOU AS A BOARD NOW, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE APPEALING THE QUESTION BEFORE THE BOARD IS DID. DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HAVE THE AUTHORITY. TO GRANT THE DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY. AND IF SO, DID HE. PROPERLY FOLLOW THE CODE IN SO DOING AND MAKING THAT DETERMINATION YOU WOULD SAY NOT COULD YOU DIFFER WITH HIM, BUT DOES ANYBODY COULD DIFFER, BUT. WAS HIS FINDING REASONABLE AND WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE CODE, OR COULD SOMEONE HAVE DRAWN THAT CONCLUSION? FIRST ISSUE RAISED BY MR TROUGH WAS AND MR FREEMAN POINTED OUT THAT. IS THE CODE ITSELF IN SECTION TWO POINT OH, THREE. SAYS THAT THE DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY CAN BE MADE AT SUCH TIME. I'M SORRY, 2.201, A IT CAN BE DONE.

IF THE USES NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED IN THE CODE. KEVIN'S POSITION WAS IS THAT THE USE WASN'T LISTED. MR SHROUDS POSITION WAS. THE USE IS LISTED IN THE USES LISTED AND SAYS IT'S SPECIFICALLY NOT ALLOWED. SO FIRST. I GUESS THE BOARD'S FIRST DECISION WOULD BE. TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY BELIEVE THE, UM. ELEMENT DIRECTOR HAD THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION. BASED UPON THE CODE ITSELF, SO. IN THE CODE, IT SAYS, IF YOU USE IS NOT ENLISTED USE THAN THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR CAN DO A. WHATEVER IT'S CALLED THE DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY. SO IS THAT LANGUAGE THAT WAS POSTED IN THE CODE SUFFICIENT TO MAKE IT EIGHT LISTED USE OR A NOT A LISTED USE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CODE TWO POINT OH, THREE. PULL IT UP RIGHT NOW. IF I CAN I HAVE IT PULLED UP. OKAY? I HAVE A QUESTION MIKE, DO WITH ANY MOTION WE DO TO GRANT ER DENIED THE APPEAL. DO WE NEED TO DO A SERIES OF

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FINDING EFFECTS AS PART OF THE MOTION? AS I GUESS IS WHAT I'M AT. I MEAN, HE'S TRYING. YOU'RE GOING TO DELIBERATE RIGHT? SO AT SUCH TIME AS YOU GUYS, WHATEVER THE MOTION IS, THE MOTION IS TO DETERMINE THE SKY IS BLUE. AND THEN THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE GOING TO DISCUSS IT. I'M GOING TO SAY, WELL, I THINK THE SKY IS BLUE BECAUSE OF THE WATER VAPORS OR WHATEVER SO. THE FINDINGS OF FACT ARE DETERMINED. IF, IN FACT YOU GUYS FEEL YOU NEED.

BASIS FOR YOUR MOTION OR A FINDING THAT IT WOULD BE ENCOURAGED BECAUSE, YES, THE MORE FINDINGS OF FACT THE EASIER IT WOULD BE FOR EITHER TO CHALLENGE OR NOT CHALLENGE IT. UM BUT IN TWO POINT OH TWO 0.1. IT SAYS CONSIDERATION OF USES NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED IF THEY USE IS NOT LISTED WITHIN A SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICT THAN THE USE IS NOT ALLOWED. HOWEVER A PROPOSED USE THAT IS NOT LISTED WITH ANY PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT BUT WHICH IS DETERMINED BY THE CITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR TO HAVE CHARACTER, SIMILAR NATURE AND IMPACT. WHO HAVE PERMITTED USE IN THAT DISTRICT, THE CITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR MAY MAKE A DETERMINATION OF COMPARATIVE ABILITY TO THE APPLICANT. SO THEN, IF YOU GO DOWN INTO THE USES IN THE CHART AT TWO POINT OH, TWO POINT OH, TWO TABLE TO LAND USES. AND YOU SCROLL DOWN, YOU FIND THAT IT SAYS. UM, BEAR WITH ME. STILL SCROLLING. IT SAYS. AUTOMOBILE REPAIR SERVICES. COM A MAJOR AND MINOR REFERRED TO SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS NEXT ONE. AUTOMOBILE SALES PROVIDE ALL REPAIR AND SERVICES SHALL BE DONE WITH AN ENCLOSED BUILDING REFERRED TO SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARD SECTION 2.6 POINT FIVE. AND WHEN YOU GO TO THE NEXT CHART I'M GOING. TO IS WITH THE ONE THAT SAYS THAT IT SHALL ONLY BE USED OR ONLY BE DONE. IN A ENCLOSED BUILDING ON US ONE OR SAVANNAH ROAD. SO THE QUESTION IS FIRST. IS THAT A USE THAT LISTED OR NOT LISTED. BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT LISTED. SON. WHAT? WHAT? I DISAGREE. UM OKAY, JUST LET'S LET MR MCDONNELL FINISHED. I MEAN, IT'S NOT LISTED AS A PERMITTED USE. IT IS LISTED, THOUGH, AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE IT GETS TO THE POINT THAT IN. THE FIRST SENTENCE, MR MORTAL. JUST READ THAT. DICTATES. WHETHER IT SHOULD GO THROUGH THE COMMISSION. OKAY? AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR WHETHER THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HAS THE AUTHORITY. BUT BASICALLY YEAH. IN SECTION TWO POINT. OH, TWO OF OUR CODE USES ALLOWED AND ZONING DISTRICTS. SECTION A CONSIDERATION OF USE NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED. THIS USE. THE PROPERTY IS SPECIFICALLY LISTED. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S THE FIRST PART WE'D HAVE TO DECIDE IS THE USE SPECIFICALLY LISTED AND THE USE. THAT USE OF AN AUTOMOBILE REPAIR FACILITY IS SPECIFICALLY LISTED. IN SECTION 3.1. WE KNOW THREE OF OUR CODE IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK I AGREE THAT IT IS SPECIFICALLY LISTED.

HOWEVER IT IS LISTED IN SUCH A WAY THAT MAKES IT NOT A PERMITTED YOU EXACTLY SO WE'RE FINDING FACT IT'S SPECIFICALLY LISTED. AND IT'S ONLY PERMITTED. ON U. S ONE. OR SAVANNAH WROTE. OKAY SO WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT IT'S LISTED. AND IT'S ONLY ALLOWED ON US ONE AND SAVANNAH ROAD. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS IT ON US WONDER SAVANNAH ROAD? AND THAT'S. AND THAT'S THE FINDINGS OF FACT THAT WE HAVE TO EXAMINE AND. WELL AND THIS IS OUR C R. A.

THIS IS. FRANKLY MY ANSWER WHEN I LOOK AT ALL THE DATA PRESENTED, AND I ALSO EXAMINED THE LETTERS FROM. FROM THE CITY GOING BACK, UM, AND THE PROPERTY. THE JUSTIFICATION WITH THOSE LETTERS THAT THE PROPERTY HAS LOST ITS. GRANDFATHER IN OF THAT CERTAIN USE. AND THE FACT THAT. A LAND OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WAS PAID. WHEN THE NEW ROOSEVELT BRIDGE ADJUSTED US ONE. THAT LANDOWNER WAS JUSTLY COMPENSATED BY F. D O T TO REMOVE THAT US ONE FRONTAGE IN THE ADDRESS CHANGED. THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THOSE. THOSE FACTS NOW I CANNOT

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SAY THAT IT IS ON US ONE. I AGREE. META MAYOR JUST IF I COULD. BECAUSE WE HAVE A SONOGRAPHY HERE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR OWN ATTORNEY HAS HAS SUGGESTED THAT WE FIRST.

DELIBERATE OVER WHETHER OR NOT MR FREEMAN. HAS THE AUTHORITY. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? FIRST WE NEED TO DO THAT AS A HYPOTHETICAL IF I WERE TO SAY TO YOU THAT HI. HAVE COMPLETED THE COSTCO P U D AND THERE'S NO NEED FOR A SECOND HEARING. BECAUSE I WENT AHEAD AND FILLED ONE OUT. CAN WE USE ANOTHER EXAMPLE? PLEASE UH, YOU WOULD SAY I COULDN'T DO IT, BUT I WOULD SAY, LET'S SAY I COMPLETED THE AZUL PROJECT AND THERE'S NO NEED FOR A SECOND HEARING BECAUSE I SIGNED. DOCUMENTS AND WENT AHEAD AND FILLED IT IN THE WAY I THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE. THAT'S REALLY EASY. EVERYONE WOULD SEE THAT AND SAY. MIKE MORTELL DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT, AND THEREFORE IT MUST BE REVERSED. IT MUST BE CANCELLED.

SO. THE QUESTION THAT MR SCHROTH HAS RAISED IS DOES THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HAVE THE AUTHORITY? TO DO A. CONDITIONAL REVIEW OR A DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY IN THIS CASE DOES OUR CODE AWARD HIM THE JURISDICTION TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION IN THIS CASE? WELL, THE ONLY THE ONLY LANGUAGE THAT IS INSTRUCTIVE ON THAT IS THAT INITIAL LANGUAGE IN THE 2.2 POINT. ONE THAT THAT COMMISSIONER MATHESON RED. AND THAT SAYS THE. IF IT'S IF THE USES CONSIDERATION OF USES NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED. IF THEY USE IS NOT LISTED WITHIN A SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICT, THEN THE USE IS NOT ALLOWED. HOWEVER A PROPOSED USE THAT IS NOT LISTED WITHIN A PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT, BUT WHICH IS DETERMINED BY THIS CITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR TO HAVE A CHARACTER SIMILAR NATURE AND IMPACT. WHERE PERMITTED USED IN THAT DISTRICT. THE CITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR MAY MAKE DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY TO THE APPLICANTS, SO IT IS BAD LISTED. WELL, THAT'S MY POINT IS A LISTED USE, BUT IT'S NOT PERMITTED. SO THE QUESTION IS. WHAT DOES THAT GIVE? MR FREEMAN THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THE DECISION, BUT THE BUT THE CODE SAYS, AS IF IT'S NOT LISTED. EXACTLY CORRECT. THAT'S THE ISSUE. IT IS LISTED, AND IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THIS LOCATION. SO THE ONLY WAY BY OUR CODE THAT IT COULD BE ALLOWED IN THIS LOCATION AS IF IT CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION HAS AGREED ADDITIONAL USED PERMIT. I AGREE UNLESS WE WERE TO DIRK DETERMINED UP HERE. THE ADDRESS IS DIFFERENT. THEN DIXIE HIGHWAY. THIS IS DIFFERENT, THEN THAT IT MAY BE A DIFFERENT ZONING. THIS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO. MAYBE BEFORE WE GO THROUGH, LIKE THE FINDING OF FACT ON THE MERITS OF THE ARGUMENT. I THINK THAT THE QUESTION WE JUST HAVE TO LIKE THE EASIEST SOLUTION HERE IS JUST TO SAY WE DON'T AGREE BECAUSE IT IS LISTED. SO IN THIS CASE, THE YOU KNOW, WE WOULD SAY THAT THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT THE. AGREED IF IT WANTS TO COME BACK, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME AS A CONDITIONAL YOU IN THIS INSTANCE OR. WHAT? ANYTHING ELSE? I MEAN THAT THERE COULD BE ANOTHER METHOD, I GUESS. BUT. UM. SO IS THAT MR MARTEL, MONSIEUR? DO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE SECOND STEP. LET'S. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. WHERE IS IT NOT LISTED. NO, IT IS LISTED, BUT IT'S NOT PERMITTED, SO IT'S LISTED IN THE OVERLAY ZONE FOR ONE OF THE URBAN DISTRICTS OR FOR THE URBAN DISTRICT. SO IF YOU. DETERMINE ITS ADDRESS TO BE A DIFFERENT ADDRESS. LET'S SAY YOU DETERMINED ITS ADDRESS TO BE ON INDIAN STREET. THEN THAT OVERLAY ZONE WOULDN'T APPLY. AS IT WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT ADDRESS THAN THE ADDRESS. SO ITS LOCATION DOES MATTER. BUT THE PARCEL DOES CARRY A ZONING. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE SAY THE PARCEL ITSELF CARRIES A ZONING AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND IT'S LISTED IN THAT ZONING.

SO I JUST YOU KNOW WHEN THIS TO GET A SO THAT WE DON'T GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES. IF THIS MIGHT COME BACK AS A CONDITIONAL USE. THINK WE JUST SIMPLIFIED AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION. MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME, MR MARTEL. THAT THE. THAT AS THIS. USE IS INDEED LISTED. BUT AS A NOT PERMITTED USE BASED YES, IT'S LISTED. JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

THAT THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO AND THEN YOU GUYS COULD MAKE

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THE VOTE ON THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. CITY CLERK. COULD YOU PLEASE CLARIFY WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM MR MEYER, AND THIS IS JUST FOR A FINDING EFFECT, RIGHT? RIGHT NOW. WE'RE NOT. IT'S NOT A GRAND. YEAH THAT'S JUST FOR THE FINDING EFFECT. GOOD OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. SHE'S GONNA REPEATED. AS THIS USES, INDEED LISTED, BUT NOT BUT AS A NON PERMITTED LET ME LET ME REWORD. BECAUSE THE USE IS AS THIS USES IS INDEED LISTED. MAMA. IN. AS A PERMITTED AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IN THE LAND ACTION. OKAY 31.1 POINT 03. BUT HE SAID POINT. YOU BEAT ME TO MUNICH CODE. I'M USUALLY THEM UNICODE GUY. HEY, SOMETHING. UH YEAH, I GOT TO WATCH MYSELF. UM. UH I MOVE AUTHORITY. I MOVED AT THE. AT THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR DID THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT THE USE DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY. AS PER, YOU KNOW? YEAH. VIEWS. SECOND AND AGAIN I SECOND DAD AND OKAY, CAN I NOW ASK QUESTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. MADAM MAYOR? YES. MR FREEMAN. I'M SORRY. I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS. I AM UNDER THE BOWS. OKAY NOW, YOU KNOW IF YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST. BASED ON BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION AND WHAT I'M READING. I SEE IT AS BEING LISTED. THEREFORE, MY MOTION CAN YOU IF YOU WOULD. PLEASE DESCRIBE YOUR REASONING AS TO WHETHER IT'S LISTED OR NOT.

OKAY I BELIEVE IT IS LISTED. OKAY? UM, IT IS LISTED FOR THE URBAN HIGHWAY. THE QUESTION FROM MY POINT OF VIEW DOES THAT PROPERTY FRONT. FEDERAL HIGHWAY OR DOES IT NOT? AND MY DETERMINATION IS BASED ENTIRELY ON WHETHER THAT PROPERTY FRONTED. FEDERAL HIGHWAY OR NOT, I SEE AS TO THE, UM. ACTUAL PERMITS REQUIRED. THIS IS NOT. GRANTING PERMITS. THIS IS NOT GRANTING DEVELOPMENT SO ALL THE ISSUES THAT, UM NICK. QUITE. MR SHOW, QUITE RIGHTLY POINTED OUT THE PROCESSES THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH WOULD STILL BE IN PLACE, OKAY? THAT WOULD BE, UM ALSO THERE'S ANOTHER. PEACE TO THIS IS WHETHER THIS. BECOMES PART OF OUR REVIEW PROCESS. BECAUSE IT'S NOT SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATION. THE AMOUNT OF RENOVATION WORKS THAT WERE PROPOSED, DID NOT TAKE IT ABOVE THE 50% RENOVATION THRESHOLD.

RIGHT, SO THAT'S ANOTHER COMPLICATION TO THIS. WHERE. STAFF COULD REALLY NOT ENGAGE WITH THE SITE DESIGN AND PLANNING BECAUSE. FROM THAT MOMENT THAT THAT CAME IN THAT INQUIRY CAME IN. THAT. THE COST THAT WERE WE WERE PROVIDED WITH DID NOT CROSS THAT DIDN'T MEET THE THRESHOLD. OKAY ONCE THAT COSTS CROSSES THAT THRESHOLD THAN ALL THE ISSUES THAT MR SCHROTH. ELUCIDATED ON NOT ELICITED. UM WHAT WE'RE, UM. WOULD COME INTO EFFECT. OKAY YOU KNOW THAT PROPERTY WOULD THEN NEED TO ADDRESS WHAT THE URBAN CODE REQUIRED IT. TO DO.

TO ASK THE QUESTION JUST FOR THE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE LISTENING. ENTIRE HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY. WOULDN'T SAY A REMAKE OF THE NEW BRIDGE AND CHANGING THE ROADWAY. THERE HAS ALWAYS MAINTAINED THE ADDRESS OF 7 28. NO. NO, IT'S NOT MAINTAIN THE ADDRESS OF 7 28 DIXIE. IN ITS HISTORY. IT HAS MAINTAINED THE ADDRESS OF 7 28 NORTH FEDERAL HIGHWAY. WHEN THE WHEN THE. COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT OVERLAYS WERE FIRST PUT IN PLACE. I BELIEVE THIS MAP THAT ACTUALLY IS ATTACHED TO THE, UM DETERMINATION. IDENTIFIED IT AS FRONTING. FEDERAL HIGHWAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CLARIFICATIONS THAT WE NEED TO, UM. I FEEL I SHOULD JUST AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION OF THAT DISCUSSION. IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS OBVIOUSLY. THE DRAWBRIDGE PORTION OF DIXIE HIGHWAY WAS ORIGINALLY US ONE FROM MAINE TO KEY WEST. AND ROUGHLY 1996. THE NEW ROOSEVELT BRIDGE OPENED AND

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THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PURCHASED A BUNCH OF. PROPERTY IN ORDER TO DO THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, SUNSET BAY MARINA WAS KNOWN AS A RESTAURANT. CALLED UM, RACE RAISE AT ONE POINT, BUT IN FRONT OF THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS, UH, RIGHT UP ON US. ONE NEITHER OF THOSE ADDRESSES ARE NOW US ONE. THEY'RE DIFFERENT ADDRESSES THEIR ATLANTIC OR WHATEVER THAT YES. ARE CODED SECTION 8.4 POINT, 00. IS ENTITLED, NONCONFORMING LOTS CAUSED BY EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS. AND THE CONDEMNED NOR CONDEMNED ME OF AN EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDING MAY APPLY TO THE CITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FOR A CERTIFICATE OF CONFORMITY RELATIVE TO A REMAINDER PARCEL, WHICH HAS OR WILL BE CREATED AS A RESULT OF AN IMMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDING. WHAT THIS PERSON ACTUALLY IS. IS A REMNANT OF AN IMMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDING THAT WAS DEEMED. A NON GRANDFATHER OR NON CARRIED FORWARD BECAUSE THEY WERE PAID FOR THE LOSS OF THEIR GAS STATION AND RETAIL STORE ON U. S ONE. IT, THEN SAT EMPTY FOR A DECADE OR SO. AND THEY CAME IN AND WANTED TO BE GRANDFATHERED IN. WE WASN'T GRANDFATHER AND THEN THEY COME FORWARD. THE QUESTION IS. WHEN THE COMMISSION LOOKS AT A PROPERTY THAT'S GRANDFATHER BECAUSE WE CHANGE THE ZONING FOR ONE REASON OR OTHER, YOU SAY, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT STRUCTURE? DOES IT MEAN THEY JUST CAN'T USE IT EVER AGAIN? THAT WOULD BE A TAKING. IF YOU DID THAT, UNLESS, OF COURSE, IT WASN'T TAKING AND YOU PAID THEM FOR IT. WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE. IN THAT SITUATION WHEN THAT HAPPENS, OUR CODE PROVIDES A STANDARD. AND THE STANDARDS WHICH, UM. CAN BE FOLLOWED BY AN APPLICANT TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF CONFORMITY TO BE ISSUED, WHICH INCLUDE FILING AN APPLICATION PAYING THE FEES. UM, PREVENTING THE SEVERANCE OR BUSINESS DAMAGES RELATIVE TO THE REMAINDER PARCEL, WHICH WAS SHOWN. AND REDUCED BY THE ISSUES THE CERTIFICATE OF CONFORMITY SO THEY COULD HAVE. CHOSEN THEN TO ACCEPT THE USE AND THEN NOT GOTTEN PAID AS MUCH MONEY. THEN A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE PARCEL HAS BEEN PREPARED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WHICH MINIMIZE OR MINIMIZES THE NONCONFORMITY IS CAUSED BY THE IMMINENT DREAM PROCEEDINGS AND WHICH IS OTHERWISE CONSISTENT WITH ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE LANDER L DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OF THE CITY, WHICH IS WHAT MR SHROFF IS POINTING OUT OF IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, ONE OF THE THINGS IN THIS URBAN OVERLAY ZONE IS THAT THE FRONTAGE HAS TO BE AT LEAST 60% OF THE WIDTH OF THE PROPERTY, BUT THIS BUILDING WAS ALREADY BUILT. SO THE QUESTION WOULD BECOME WELL SINCE THEY DIDN'T SPEND 50% OF THE. MONEY. THEREFORE DO THEY STAY REMAINED GRANDFATHERED IN OR DO THEY NEED TO SPEND 50% OF THE MONEY TO MAKE IT? 60% OF THE WIDTH OF THE LOT AND YOU GET INTO THESE COMPLICATIONS BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A STANDARD SITUATION WHERE PROPERTY WAS JUST. GRANDFATHERED IN BY A ZONING CHANGE. IT WAS ACTUALLY A TAKING THAT TOOK PLACE BY AFTER THAT, AND THEY NEGLECTED TO KEEP THEIR REMNANT PARCEL. THEY WAITED. LONG TIME AND THEN SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO USE OUR PERSONAL JUST LIKE WE USED BEFORE WHEN WE GOT PAID FOR IT, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED. YEAH I THINK THAT I MEAN, THAT'S SOME GOOD INFORMATION. BUT. FROM WHERE FROM WHAT I CAN SEE. I THINK IT'S STILL IT STILL IS A SIMPLE AS WHAT'S THE AFTER? RIGHT? WELL, NOT EVEN BECAUSE AGAIN THE ADDRESS. THE PARCEL HAS A ZONING. THE ADDRESS. YOU CAN YOU CAN ACCESS IT FROM ANYWHERE.

WHATEVER NUMBER IT HASN'T. IT DOESN'T MATTER ON THE MAP. IT'S GOT A ZONING IN A FUTURE LAND USE. SO THAT IS WHAT THAT'S WHAT IT CARRIES. YOU KNOW? WELL AGAIN, IT'S LISTED. THAT'S THE ISSUE. THE USE IS LISTED, SO I THINK WE JUST AND FOR THE RECORD IF THE ADDRESS WAS US ONE OR SAVANNAH ROAD, THERE WOULDN'T NEED TO BE A DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY.

BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE THE ADDRESS OF US ONE. IT WOULD JUST SIMPLY GET A PERMIT. IT WOULD BE A LOUD USED, AND THAT'S THAT. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. IT. THE ADDRESS DOES MATTER. THE FRONTAGE JUDGE DOES MATTER AND IT. IS NOT ON US ONE, THE ORIGINAL LANDOWNER WAS PAID. THE INFORMATION IF IT'S CORRECT IN MY PACKET IS 284,000 FOR THAT FRONTAGE ON U. S ONE.

AND WHEN THE BE REMOVED TO BE REMOVED FROM THAT, AND THEN NOW HIS FRONTAGE IS ON DIXIE HIGHWAY, BUT HE WAS JUSTLY COMPENSATED FOR THAT FRONTAGE. SO THEN DO WE NEED TO CLARIFY THE MOTION. OKAY THAT MAKES SENSE. SO DO WE NEED TO CLARIFY THE MOTION? I THINK THAT DETERMINING COMPATIBILITY. STILL THE WRONG VEHICLE FOR THIS THE DETERMINANT CAP.

ALRIGHT CREATION OF COMPATIBILITY IS WHAT'S BEING APPEALED HERE, RIGHT? WE'RE

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JUST DOING A FINDING OF FACT. RIGHT NOW THERE IS THE WRONG VEHICLE FOR THIS PROCESS IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO CHANGE HIS ADDRESS FROM DIXIE HIGHWAY TO US ONE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PROCESS IS WITH THE DETERMINATION OF COMPATIBILITY SIMPLY SAYS IF THE USE IS NOT LISTED, THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR CAN SAY UNDERWATER BASKET WEAVING IS SIMILAR TO A YOGA STUDIO. I'LL ALLOW IT RIGHT. AUTO REPAIR FACILITIES ARE SPECIFICALLY RESTRICTED TO US ONE OR SAVANNAH ROAD. AND THAT'S NOT, BUT THAT'S NOT A DETERMINATION OF COMPATIBILITY.

THAT'S A DETERMINATION OF ADDRESS. IT'S 6 28 DIXIE HOT 7 28 DIXIE HIGHWAY IN THE CITY'S GIS SYSTEM. IT'S 7 28 DIXIE HIGHWAY ON THE LETTER THAT WAS ISSUED IN 2016. AND SO THEREFORE, YOU KNOW THE CITY'S HISTORICAL PATTERN HAS BEEN TO TREAT THIS AS DIXIE HIGHWAY EVER SINCE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE, AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I FEEL. THE DETERMINATION OF COMPATIBILITY WAS NOT. NOT AVAILABLE AVENUE FOR THIS. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN ANOTHER AVAILABLE AVENUE, A MAJOR CONDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, USE AMENDMENT WOULD BE WOULD BE FIND THAT PROCESS YOU KNOW, CAN RUN ITS COURSE. IT INVOLVES PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE WOULD AT LEAST KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND SO THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT THAT THE COMMISSION DETERMINED THAT. THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE A DETERMINATION OF COMPATIBILITY HERE. IT WAS NOT THE APPROPRIATE MEASURES. THANK YOU, UH, YES. I JUST WANTED TO DO SOME HOUSEKEEPING. SO OUR ISSUE IS. A DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY AND STATED IN OUR GUIDELINES, NOT COMPATIBILITY. I KNOW THAT MR SCHROTH HAS SAID THAT. COMPARABILITY AND I WANTED TO ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT. WE DO HAVE OUR MISS CATHY IN LAW, THE COURT REPORTER HERE. FROM ESQUIRE HERE TODAY. AND. AND ALSO I WANTED TO ASK MR. MORE TAIL UNLESS VICE MAYOR. MATHIS AND FEELS LIKE HE'S ALREADY SAID WHAT HE SAID. I WANT TO ASK, UM. OH UH, I WANTED TO ASK, UM, OUR CITY ATTORNEY IF HE WANTS TO REREAD WHAT, UM, VICE MIA MATHESON READ IN SECTION TWO POINT. OH, 0.1, WHICH IS REALLY THE CRUX OF THE MATTER, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR. I KNOW THE COMMISSIONER, UM. READ I THINK A PORTION OF IT AND WE IT'S IN OUR IT'S IN OUR RECORD. IT'S IN OUR PACKAGE. JUST TO BE SURE THAT THAT'S. THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE WITH REGARD TO THE DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY IF WE NEEDED TO ACTUALLY READ THAT INTO THE RECORD AS TO THE. ISSUE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WITH THE, UM THE, UH. THE DECISION OF THE WRITTEN PUBLISHED DECISION OF THE. BOTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. I MEAN, IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.

I'M HAPPY TO READ TWO POINT OH, TWO POINT. YES, SIR. PLEASE DO OKAY. 2.2 POINT ONE GENERALLY, IT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS SECTION TO IDENTIFY THE USE IS ALLOWED IN EACH ZONING DISTRICT. OPEN PARENTHESES TABLE TO RESIDENTIAL USES BUSINESS USES AND PUBLIC SERVICE, INDUSTRIAL AGRICULTURAL HOSPITAL AND P U D DISTRICTS USES. OKAY? CONSIDERATION OF USES NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED IF THEY USE IS NOT LISTED WITHIN A SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICT, THEN THE USE IS NOT ALLOWED. HOWEVER A PROPOSED USE THAT IS NOT LISTED WITHIN A PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT BUT WHICH IS DETERMINED BY THE CITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR TO HAVE A CHARACTER. SIMILAR NATURE AND IMPACT TO A PERMITTED USE IN THAT DISTRICT. THE CITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR MAY MAKE A DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY TO THE APPLICANT. CONDITIONS MAY BE PLACED ON THE DECISION. DETERMINATION BY CITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR THAT A PROPOSED USE IS NOT SIMILAR TO A PERMITTED USE MAY BE APPEALED, ACCORDING TO PROCEDURES IN CHAPTER EIGHT. IN MAKING SUCH FINDING, THE CITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR MAY ASSESS ALL RELEVANT CHARACTERISTICS OF THE PROPOSED USE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING AS APPLICABLE A. TYPICAL VOLUME AND TYPE OF SALES RETAILER, WHOLESALE SIZE AND TYPE OF ITEMS. SOUL NATURE OF INVENTORY OF THE PREMISES. BE ANY PROCESSING DONE ON THE PREMISES, INCLUDING ASSEMBLY, MANUFACTURING, WAREHOUSING, SHIPPING DISTRIBUTION AND ANY DANGEROUS, HAZARDOUS TOXIC OR EXPLOSIVE MATERIALS USED IN THE PROCESSING. SEE THE NATURE AND LOCATION OF STORAGE AND OUTDOOR DISPLAY OF MERCHANDISE WHETHER STORAGE IS ENCLOSED, OPEN INSIDE OR OUTSIDE THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING AND PREDOMINANT TYPES OF ITEMS STORED, SUCH AS BUSINESS VEHICLES, WORKING PROCESS, INVENTORY AND MERCHANDISE. CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, SCRAP AND JUNK AND RAW MATERIALS, INCLUDING

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LIQUIDS AND POWDERS, HAZARDOUS OR NOT. THE TYPE SIZE AND TYPICAL MASSING OF BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES ASSOCIATED WITH THE UNLISTED USE. E TRANSPORTATION REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING THE MODEL MODAL SPLIT FOR PEOPLE AND FREIGHT BY VOLUME TYPE AND CHARACTERISTICS OF TRAFFIC GENERATION TO AND FROM THE SITE TRIP PURPOSES AND WHETHER TRIP PURPOSES CAN BE SHARED BY OTHER USES ON THE SITE. HAVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, TURNOVER AND GENERATION RATIO OF THE NUMBER OF SPACES REQUIRED PER UNIT AREA OR ACTIVITY AND THE POTENTIAL FOR SHARED PARKING WITH OTHER USES. THE AMOUNT OF NATURE OF ANY EXTERNAL EFFECTS GENERATED ON THE PREMISES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO NOISE. SMOKE. ODOR GLARE, VIBRATION, RADIATION AND FUMES. H ANY SPECIAL PUBLIC UTILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR SERVING THE PROPOSED USE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO WATER SUPPLY, WASTEWATER, PRE TREATMENT OF WASTES AND EMISSIONS REQUIRED OR RECOMMENDED AND ANY SIGNIFICANT POWER STRUCTURES AND.

MEDICATIONS TOWERS ARE FACILITIES AND I THE TYPE AND EXTENT OF IMPACTS ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES CREATED BY THE PROPOSED USE IN COMPARISON TO IMPACTS FROM OTHER USE IS ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. THANK YOU AND I WENT TO THAT PAINS TAKEN, UM. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT AFTER WE'VE MADE A DECISION ON THIS THAT WE SAY THAT. THERE WAS ONE LITTLE ITEM E F G H, I. THAT WE DIDN'T CONSIDER ARE THAT MR FREEMAN DIDN'T CONSIDER OR THAT MR SCHROTH DID NOT, UM. ADDRESS IN HIS APPEAL, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MAIN AREA AS WELL AS US, OF COURSE, SECTION THREE POINT ALL. 1.3 UM, THAT WE ALSO. I HAVE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, BUT I WANTED ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THAT PART ABOUT THE, UM. THE EXTENT OF WHERE MR FREEMAN HAS, UM. THE ABILITY AND THE DISCRETION TO DO SOMETHING, AND I THINK THAT WE'VE. FLUSHED OUT WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING WAS LISTED OR NOT, UM, THAT WE. ARE THERE, SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO READ THAT FOR SURE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID NOT. MISS SOMETHING DEPENDENT ON HOW OUR DECISION MAKING COMES OUT, MR MEYER. UM I JUST I WISH I HAD MY WHITE BOARD BECAUSE I THINK IN PICTURES AND, UH. IT'S JUST IT'S VERY CLEAR AGAIN. THANKS FOR REREADING. UM THE MOTION WAS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE A DETERMINATION OF COMPARATIVE COMPARE ABILITY BECAUSE THE CODE SAYS. THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. MAYBE DO THAT, IF IT'S NOT LISTED, PERIOD, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THAT IT COULD HAVE GONE THROUGH. DON'T THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO DELIBERATE THOSE. THE APPEAL IS THAT HE DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THE DETERMINED, DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY. THE ADDRESS DOESN'T MATTER, EITHER, BECAUSE. IF THE ADDRESS WERE CORRECT, HE WOULDN'T NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ALLOWED USE. SO ANYWAY, YOU APPROACH IT ANY DIRECTION YOU APPROACH IT. THIS IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE. HE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION BECAUSE IT IS A LISTED USE THAT CLOSES THE WHOLE CASE. SO. THANK YOU.

THERE WAS A PREVIOUS MOTION. IS THERE ANY OF THE DISCUSSION AND SHOULD I JUST DOESN'T POINT OF CLARIFICATION WHEN COMMISSIONER MCDONALD SAID THIS ISN'T THE CLOSING OF THE WHOLE CASE? THIS IS JUST A FINDING OF FACT, THE BOARD REACHED A CONSENSUS. SO IF. THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT MOTION IS THE MOTION INTENDED TO BE A CONCLUSION VERY OR JUST DEFINING, IN FACT, BEFORE MOVING FORWARD DO I NEED I CAN MAKE A NEW MOTION? WELL THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

YOU CAN MODIFY VOTE ON THE MOTION. AND IF YOU WANT TO MODIFY THAT MOTION TO YOUR TWO DIDN'T WELL, WE DID SAY IT WAS A FINDING OF FACT YOUR RIGHTS RIGHT? SO LET'S JUST DO THAT AND THEN HAVE A MOTION ON A GRANT HER TONIGHT, OKAY? ARE YOU MAKING A FOR CHANGE? TROY? SO THAT NO, NO, NO. THE MOTION WAS TO AS A AS A FINDING OF FACT. THAT THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR DID NOT HAVE AUTHORITY. AS A FINDING EFFECT THEIR PUBLIC COMMENT. UM.

PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THAT VOTE, I GUESS IS IT SECONDED CONTROI? YEAH, I SECOND OKAY. ALRIGHT.

THANKS. ANY PUBLIC. COMMENT ON THIS STUFF, OR THE APPLICANT WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT. FIRST. PUBLIC COMMENT. YES SIR. HOLD ON. DID YOU SEND UP SOMETHING FOR ITEM NUMBER DID FRESH CLONING. THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THE FIRST CLIENT. YES, THANK YOU.

HOW ARE YOU? THANKS THANKS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S. THEY DID A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU, NICK. WITHOUT NICK. I WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE KNOWN THIS WAS GOING ON. I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY BY THIS BECAUSE YOU SPEAK IN THE MICRO. YEAH I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY JUST THE NORTH 5678 YEARS AGO. AND I REMEMBER DOING MY DILIGENCE. I'VE BEEN IN COMMERCIAL REAL

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ESTATE FOR 33 YEARS. AND I REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY SAYING WELL, IT COULD BE AN AUTOMOTIVE RELATED USE AND MADE FINANCIAL DECISIONS BASED UPON THAT, WHEN THERE IS A BELL TIRE GOT ABSORBED BY THE LEFT BEHIND MY OFFICE BUILDING A RAP INTO THE NORTH. TERRY MCCARTHY APPROACHED ME AND ASKED ME IF. IF THEY WOULD, IF I WOULD OBJECT TO AN OTTAWA IT REALLY USE NEXT DOOR. I SAID TERRY, I'VE KNOWN TERRY FOR 33 YEARS. YOU KNOW, DON'T YOU KNOW? SO YOU SAID THINGS APPROPRIATE FOR CR A SO. I THINK IT IS ALL ABOUT THE ADDRESS. I'M DIXIE.

HIGHLY ADDRESS. THIS IS THE DIXIE HIGHLY ADDRESS. IT DOES FRONT US ONE IF YOU'VE GOT A FIRE TRUCK LADDER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TO GET YOU KNOW 50 FT UP. YOU DON'T READ BANQUET TO GET TO US ONE. SO AND I WORKED WITH KEVIN ALL THE TIME. AND I THINK THAT THERE WAS. SOMETHING THAT WENT AWRY WAS SPECIFICALLY THE ADDRESS BECAUSE THAT WAS IMPORTANT WHEN I BOUGHT MY BILL. I'VE GOT ANOTHER PROJECT PLAN FOR THE BACK OF MY BUILDING, AND I'M NOT GONNA PUT IT NEXT ONE AUTOMOTIVE PROSTHETIC USE SO TO ME, IT COMES IN AWESOME COMES IN THE INTENT OF THE SIERRA PUTTING DOLLARS INTO THESE INFILL PROJECTS TO MAKE YOUR WHAT NICK DID TO HIS HOUSE. IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL. I THINK HE WOULD HAVE DONE IT IF HE THOUGHT THERE SHOULD BE AN OUT OF ORDER. YOU MADE A KID, SO THE USE MATTERS, BUT I THINK THAT'S FOR THE NEXT STEPS. YOU KNOW, I THINK RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, I GET UP, BUT THEY WANT TO MAKE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION OR WHATEVER. MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE TO THE SIERRA AND APPLY A LOT OF THESE COMMENTS, THE MORE PRESIDENT BUT IT IS ABOUT THE ADDRESSING. JUST APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. MISS SAID. YOU GOT ME OUT OF THE HOUSE JUST LAID AHEAD. THE SPIRIT. THANK YOU, MR KLEIN. THANK YOU. BLAIR SCOTCH. GOOD EVENING, AND THANK YOU. I'M SPEAKING TO YOU AS A PROPERTY OWNER ON PALM STREET, AUSTRALIAN AND ALSO STEWART AVENUE. UM. ALSO COMING TO YOU GUYS AS A PERSON WHO GREW UP IN STUART, FLORIDA AND HAPPY TO BE BACK SO REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN MADE OVER THE PAST SEVERAL DECADES.

UM SO I FIRST OF ALL, JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING, NICK SHROFF SAID, UM, I THINK HE MADE VERY GOOD POINTS ABOUT THE ADDRESS. IT IS, IN MY OPINION AND JUST WITH GENERAL OBJECTS ON DIXIE HIGHWAY. I THINK THAT IS THE MATTER THAT IS KIND OF IN IN CONTEST RIGHT NOW. BUT JUST AS A HIGH LEVEL, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE USE. AS PROPOSED BY GIANT OIL. IT DOESN'T REALLY SEEM TO COMPORT WITH THE VISION OF THE CITY OF STEWART AND THE C R A AS IT IS GOING FORWARD. THERE'S A COUPLE OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND, UH VICE MAYOR MATHESON. ECHOED EARLIER TODAY HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL STAKEHOLDERS IN FLORIDA. I AM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE AND I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL USE THE OIL AND I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR. ESSENTIAL PAST ISSUES WITH PLAYING WITH. THE CITY STANDARDS AND HOW THEY WOULD CONTINUE GOING FORWARD. AND ALSO TO ECHO. UH, MAYOR. YOU LOOK, CLARK WERE WORRIED THAT WE ARE CREATING SO MUCH TRASH.

I AM ALSO WORRIED THAT WE ARE CREATING SO MUCH TRASH AND I THINK A BETTER USE OF THIS AREA WOULD NOT BE FOR ANOTHER OIL PLACE OR A VEHICLE. AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR, BUT MAYBE SOMETHING JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, WHICH WOULD ALSO KIND OF COMPORT WITH THE DIVISION OF STEWART AND A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS SCOTT. ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO DID NOT PRESENT A CARD. AN ITEM NUMBER SIX WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT AT THIS TIME BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS. SO FAR IN THE MOTION. THAT'S BEEN MADE. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS BEFORE I ASKED FOR THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. OKAY, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THIS DISCUSSION. WE'VE HEARD FROM THE STAFF. WE WERE THE DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSIONERS. AND WE'VE HEARD FROM THE APPELLANT. MR SCHULZ.

UM. NO FURTHER INPUT CLERK WAS. THIS IS JUST THE FINDING OF FACT. MOTION HER. COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? COMMISSIONER MCDONALD? YES COMMISSIONER MEYER? YES NICE MAYOR MATHESON. MAYOR CLARKE. YES MR BRUNER? YES YES, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO GRANT THE APPEAL A ALRIGHT? THERE'S A MOTION AND THE SECOND IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAS, UH. UM CAN I JUST CLARIFY WHAT THE MOTION WAS GRANTED THE APPEAL? YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, MR MEYER? UM SORRY. OKAY CAN YOU UM CAN MR MORTAL READ THE APPEAL. WE NEED TO READ THAT AGAIN. MR MOTEL, APPEALED THE DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY AT 7 28 NORTH HEURISTICS, THE HIGHWAY. UM. YOU WANT ME TO READ MR SCHLOSS ENTIRE APPEAL OR WON'T IT'S

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NOT, UH, RESOLUTION BUDGET. SO THAT'S THE TITLE AGAIN THAT THEY'RE RENTING. THIS IS AN APPEAL. OF A DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY AT SEVEN TO A NORTHWEST DIXIE HIGHWAY FOR USE OF RETAIL SALE OF VEHICLE PARTS TOGETHER WITH VEHICLE REPAIR, WITH ALL ACTIVITIES TAKING PLACE. WITHIN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING. PROPERTY IS OWNED URBAN HIGHWAY. THANK YOU. THAT MOTION WAS MADE BY, UM. COMMISSIONER MCDONALD'S SECOND AND FIVE AND FOR CLARIFICATION TO THE GRANTING OF THE APPEAL. IS. TO RULE IN FAVOR OF MR SHROFF SAID OBJECTION TO THE USE OR TO THE DETERMINATION, RIGHT? NOT TO THE YOUTH, RIGHT? BY THE BY THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS TO WHATEVER IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS, BUT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT WAS DRIVING BY MY ANTENNA ARE UP WHEN I SEE THIS PHOTOGRAPHER, SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS IS NEW GROUND THAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND IT'S THANK YOU, KEVIN FOR YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS. LOOKING AT THIS THIS MANNER AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS. MR SHOW GROWTH IN THIS WILL HELP US TO HONE EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO IN OUR INFILL REDEVELOPMENT AND. IN DEALING WITH OUR CODE IN OTHER AREAS, SO THANK YOU. AND MADAM MAYOR IF I MAY. I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT YOU KNOW WE'VE HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ON THE USE ITSELF. AND THE C, R A AND THE VISION AND AGAIN JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS MOTION IS SOLELY ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTORS USE OF THE DETERMINATION OF COMPARABILITY. WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT GOING ANY DEEPER THAN THAT. SO, YES, THANK YOU. AND THAT'S WHY I MADE SURE THAT WE REREAD THE. MADAM AGAIN. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? IS THERE ANYTHING ON ZOO MR BALL? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. MA'AM THURK. MAYOR CLARKE. YES, COMMISSIONER BRUNER. YES COMMISSIONER MEYER? YES MR MCDONALD? YES, VICE MAYOR MATHESON? YES. WE HAVE TREAD NEW GROUND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN CHAPTER 16 EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. THIS IS COORDINATE. THIS IS THE. READ ME READING OF ORDINANCE NUMBER. TWO WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF STEWART, AMENDING. CHAPTER 16 EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE IN A CONFLICT CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. AS A BRIEF BACKGROUND AS YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR SIGNED SENATE BILL 2006 INTO LAW ON MAY 3RD. AND IN THAT HE MADE SPECIFIC CHANGES TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE MADE SPECIFIC CHANGES TO THE ABILITY FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO ENTER EMERGENCY ORDERS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO. RESTRICTING THEM TO, UH. SEVEN DAYS, THEY MUST BE RENEWED NO MORE THAN 42 DAYS IN A ROW AND. IF, IN FACT ONE EXPIRES. YOU CAN'T JUST RENEW ANOTHER SIMILAR ORDER. AS IT RELATES TO HEALTH. THE HURRICANE. UH, AND POLICE ACTIONS ARE EXEMPTED FROM THAT.

MM. AND IT'S IRONIC BECAUSE WE'RE FACING ANOTHER POTENTIAL INCREASE IN COVID RESPONSES AND EVERYONE'S GONNA GET TO TEST THIS THING PRETTY SOON. BUT THE INTENTION FOR OUR PURPOSES OF AMENDING IT WERE TO DO TWO FOLD NUMBER ONE TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THE CITY OF STEWART INTENDED TO HAVE A EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM RELATED TO HEALTH ISSUES, AND SECONDLY, TO BRING IT AND MAKE IT. SIMILAR TO OR IT CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE LAW THAT WAS ADOPTED.

THANK YOU. I JUST JUST AS THE COMMENT AS YOU MENTIONED WITH REGARD TO THE HEALTH ISSUES AND THE POTENTIAL FOR WITH, UM. EXPANSION OR INCREASE. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO LOCALLY? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO AT THE CITY LEVEL? AND OF COURSE WE HAVE. THESE KINDS OF. MORE OBSTACLES. WHATEVER YOU MEAN, PAUL. I'M SORRY I WAS THERE. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? I'M GONNA MOVE TO APPROVE, BUT I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A COMMENT AT THE SAME TIME. IT'S JUST ANOTHER ATTACK ON HOME RULE. YES AND IT'S JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE LEGISLATURE. TAKING OUR ABILITIES TO, UH, THE ABILITY FOR US TO GOVERN OUR COMMUNITY, OUR COMMUNITY. CS IT, SO I I'LL SECOND THAT AND I AGREE. WE DON'T HAVE MUCH OPTION. YEAH. HERE. TO REJECT IT. BUT WE'RE PROBABLY WORSE OFF QUICKLY REJECTED. EXACTLY, UM SO SECOND THE MOTION TO APPROVE SO UM ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

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ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 68 2021. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. I SHOULD ALSO MENTION THAT SUMMER OUR SUMMER INTERN HAD A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN WRITING THIS ORDINANCE, AND THIS IS HER LAST MEETING CAME BACK. SHE'S HERE JUST TO SEE YOU GUYS ADOPT HER WORK ON HER WAY OUT THE DOOR HERE FOR FUN TODAY. THIS WAS BY THE WAY. THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE SECOND COVID OR THE SECOND COSTCO MEETING. REALLY THE REASON FOR HER EXTENDING HER STAY, BUT WE DISRUPTED THAT. SURE THIS WON'T BE HER LAST PUBLISHED LEGISLATION RIGHT? SHE'LL PROBABLY GET OTHERS TO THE FUTURE SUMMER IF YOU WANT TO COME SIT IN MY SEAT FOR THE COSTCO MEETING. YOU'RE MORE THAN MM HMM. OTHERWISE I WOULD BE A GREAT REASON TO TAKE OFF.

WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, UM. THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 68 2021, WHICH HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSION, MCDONALD'S SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MEYER. MATHESON. MADAM CLERK. CONDITIONER BRUNER. YES COMMISSIONER MEYER? YES COMMISSIONER. MCDONALD YES. NICE MAYOR MATHESON. YES, THERE, CLARK. YES. THE NEXT ITEM IS THE DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION OF A PROPOSED

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DISCUSSION OF A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR EXTENDING OR REMOVING THE DEADLINE OF THE AMORTIZATION PERIOD FOR NON-CONFORMING POLE SIGNS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

 

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AMENDMENT TO THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CALLED. EXTENDED OR REMOVING THE DEADLINES OF MUCH IZATION PERIOD. NONCONFORMING POLCE LINES WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. I WILL GIVE UP MY RIGHTS TO BE VICE MAYOR. NO. ANY UM, UH, STAFF, PLEASE. YES PANEL. GHANI SAAB DUST SIERRA ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE RECORD. THE REASON THIS ITEM IS COMING BEFORE YOU IS BECAUSE OUR CODE REQUIRES THAT ALL POLE SIGNS HAVE TO COME DOWN OR BE REMOVED BY. JANUARY 1ST 2022, WHICH IS ONLY FIVE MONTHS FROM NOW, SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS, UM, COMING BEFORE YOU FOR DIRECTION TO STAFF. UM STAFF IDENTIFIED THAT THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY 280 POLES SIGNS. WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS WHEN WE DID THE WINDSHIELD SURVEY BACK IN 2016, SO WE DID A RECENT STUDY AND TO IDENTIFY HOW MANY SIGNS ARE STILL REMAINING AND OR HOW MANY SILENT SIGNS I HAVE BEEN REMOVED. AND UH, WE IDENTIFY THAT APPROXIMATELY 90 SIGNS HAVE BEEN REMOVED OR REPLACED WITH A CONFORMING. BUT THERE ARE STILL 190 POLE SIGNS REMAINING WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. THE CODE DOES PROHIBIT ANY NEW SIGNS GOING UP ANY NEW POLA SIGNS GOING UP SINCE WE ADOPTED THE ORDINANCE BACK IN 2000 AND SEVEN BUT HOWEVER, THE CODE DOES A LOT OF REPLACEMENT OF A SIGN FACE. WITHOUT ALTERING THE SIGN AREA OR THE STRUCTURE. UM AND SO WE DO WE DO LET THE APPLICANTS OR, UM. PROPERTY OWNERS KNOW THAT IF THEY ARE ALTERING THIS UP THE SIGN PHASE THEY DO HAVE TO BRING IT TO COMPLIANCE BY 2022. STAFF IS REQUESTING TO CONSIDER EXTENDING OR REMOVING THE AMORTIZATION DEADLINE BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC AND HOW ALL THE BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN AFFECTED. CAUSING FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO MANY BUSINESSES. UM THERE IS A CONCERN THAT THE BUSINESSES WOULD HAVE TO PAY AS MUCH AS $20,000 TO REPLACE A SIGN. UM SO THEREFORE, STAFF IS SUGGESTING THAT WE EITHER ADD FIVE MORE YEARS TO THE DEADLINE TO THE AMORTIZATION SCHEDULE. OR REMOVE THE DEADLINE COMPLETELY CONSIDERING THAT POLE SIGNS WILL CONTINUE TO, UM UH, REDUCED OVER TIME, AS WE SAW IN THE RECENT STUDY. OR THE SURVEY. THE COMMISSION COULD CONSIDER CHANGES TO THE LDC AMENDMENT TO THE LDC TO SPEED UP THE TRANSITION. UM A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS ARE WE COULD ENFORCE REMOVAL OF DAMAGED NONCONFORMING FULL SIGNS. THAT REQUIRE REPAIR SHOULD BE REMOVED WITHIN 30 DAYS, AS WE SAW IN THE CASE OF TROPIC TINT, WE SAW THAT THE POST WAS STILL THERE SO THAT THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO COULD ENFORCE THAT TO BE REMOVED. WITHIN 30 DAYS WHEN THE SIGN IS DAMAGED, UM AND ALSO MODIFY THE STANDARDS SO THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE TO REMOVE THE SIGNS WITHIN 30 DAYS IF THE PROPERTIES ABANDONED OR VACANT. SO IN A CASE OF LIKE THE FLOWER SHOP IN COLORADO, UM THEY HAVE A POLE SIGN AND. THEY DID THE FACE CHANGE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO ANY ALTER THE SIGN AREA OR THE STRUCTURE. BUT IF WE HAD THIS PROVISION, THEN THAT SIGN WOULD HAVE HAD TO COME DOWN BECAUSE THAT FLOWER SHOP WAS CLOSED MORE THAN 30 DAYS. SO THE STAFF IS LOOKING FOR DIRECTION TO EITHER MAINTAIN THE DEADLINE FOR REMOVAL OF

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CANON CONFORMING POLL SIGNED BY JANUARY 2022 PROMPTLY NOTIFY ALL PROPERTY OWNERS. IMPACTED BY THIS DECISION, UH, SECOND OPTION WOULD BE TO RETURN WITH A DRAFT AMENDMENT TO THE L D.

C. EXTENDING THE POLE SIGN AMORTIZATION BY ADDITIONAL FIVE YEARS. SO THAT WOULD BRING US TO JANUARY 1ST 2027 ALSO MAKE THE COATS AND CHANGES THAT STUFF IS RECOMMENDING TO, UM YOU KNOW TO EXPEDITE THE REMOVAL OF SIGNS. AND THIRD OPTION WOULD BE TO RETURN WITH THE DRAFT AMENDMENT, ELIMINATING OR REMOVING THE DEADLINE. WITH CODE CHANGES, ACCELERATE SIGN REMOVAL AND NOTIFY ALL ASSIGN OWNERS. IF THAT IS LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON THOSE OPTIONS. THANK YOU BOARD. I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE'VE HAD A DEADLINE AND EXTENDED IT. IN 2000 AND SEVEN WE FAILED TO NOTIFIED THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

THAT WAS A TENURE OF AMORTIZATION PERIOD. SO WHEN WE CAME TO 2016 BECAUSE WE FAILED TO NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN 2000 AND SIX SET 2000 AND SEVEN WE DECIDED TO GIVE THEM FIVE MORE YEARS. SO WE'VE EXTENDED ONCE. IN 2016. OKAY? IT'S HAD THE ONE EXTENSION AND NOW WE'VE HAD THE PANDEMIC. YEAH. AND MISS. STOPPED US. ME AND COMMISSIONER TO THINK ABOUT IT. ME AND MAYOR CLARKE WERE HERE WHEN WE EXTENDED IT. AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION AT THE TIME ABOUT ABOUT THE COST. BUSINESSES WERE JUST STARTING TO COME OUT OF THE OUT OF THE RECESSION. UM DURING THE RECESSION, THERE WAS NO MONEY TO DO SIGNS. UM. I'M I'M A LITTLE BIT TORN. FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD HAVE. BACK IN THE TWO THOUSANDS. WHEN WHATEVER THIS ORDINANCE WAS PASSED, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED OR NOT, YOU KNOW, HINDSIGHT'S IT'S EASY TO SIT THERE AND CRITICIZE SOMEBODY DIDN'T I THINK. MIKE, I THINK YOU PROBABLY VOTED FOR IT, RIGHT? OH I STILL SUPPORTED.

WHAT'S THAT? I STILL SUPPORT IT. AND UH, SO BUT AT THE SAME TIME. SO FAR AS THEY MY CONCERN ABOUT. ABANDONING A DEADLINE IS THE FOLKS THAT WENT OUT AND PAID TO GET THEIR SIGNS FIXED AND BRING IT UP TO CONFORMITY. SO JUST. BRINGING IT TO A INTO A TURNING INTO A PURELY NON CONFORMITY. I DON'T. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE I THINK THERE'S AN INEQUITY THERE. YEAH, UM, AT THE SAME TIME. WE'RE WE'VE JUST GONE THROUGH A YEAR AND A HALF. UM. BUSINESS IS COMING BACK.

BUT CONSTRUCTION COST ARE QUITE HIGH. I MEAN, IT'S UH, I'M TORN. THERE'S MANY OPTIONS THAT I COULD GO WITH. AND UH AND I'M TORN ON WHICH ONE? IT IS, TO BE HONEST, UM UH HUH. BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE IT IS A HARD DECISION TO FOR SOME OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS. AT THE SAME TIME, A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE OWNED BY OUR BY OWNED BY REITS AND LARGE, YOU KNOW, LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS COULD HAVE DONE IT, AND THEY. HAVE IT, SO YEAH, AND SO, UM, I THE PART ABOUT THE. THE MONEY. THE LACK OF FUNDING IS IMPORTANT. AND I THINK THAT. WE WANT TO HAVE THE THEME AND THAT BRANDON OF HAVING SIGNS A CERTAIN HEIGHT SIZE WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH THE. THE MONUMENT, SIGNING THE TYPE OF UNIFORMITY. THAT'S MOSTLY, UM, MORE NOTICEABLE IN THE CRM AREA, AND THAT AREA HAS FUNDS WHERE THEY CAN GET. SOME MONEY TO HELP THEM. BUT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA WHO DON'T HAVE THOSE KIND OF FUNDS. AND YEAH, MAYBE THEY COULD BE PEOPLE ON LARGE AREAS OF LAND, AND THEY COULD DO WHATEVER, BUT THEY'RE NOT DOING IT. BUT I THINK. UM IF WE CAN SEE THOSE PEOPLE. DOING SOMETHING IN THE SIERRA AREA AND GETTING HELP FOR IT, AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOT GETTING HELP FOR IT. PLUS, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A YEAR OR 15 MONTHS OR MORE OF. COVID AND WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE ECONOMY WILL TURN. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW UM. ESSENTIAL THIS IS IF WE DON'T PUNISH THESE PEOPLE. SO I THINK THAT IF WE CAN EXTENDED EXTENDED, AND IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO IF WE NEED TO HELP PEOPLE SINCE THERE'S HELP AVAILABLE FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN

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THE CRE. GET HELP WITH THIS KIND OF THING IF THERE'S A WAY TO CREATE SOME INCENTIVE UM. UH FOR THOSE WHO ARE OUTSIDE OF THE AREA, THEN YOU KNOW, DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, WE WOULD HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT AND GIVE THEM SOME OPTIONS AND MAYBE JUST EFFECT OF TIME. THEY WOULD WANT TO COMPLY AND MAYBE BE MORE LIKE. THE REST OF THE AREA, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE MORE COMPACT SCIARRA AREA WHERE WE CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN HOW THE SIGNAGE IS WORKING AND HOW IT'S SOME HELPING WITH THE COMPATIBILITY. SO I DON'T KNOW. I'M I I'D BE. FOR EXTENDING IT.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT FIVE YEARS, BUT MAYBE WE COULD EXTENDED FOR CAN WE ONLY EXTENDED BY FIVE YEAR INCREMENTS? SO CAN WE DO OTHER TIME? THE COMMISSION HAS THE DISCRETION TO DO LITERALLY WHATEVER IT WANTS. YOU COULD. YOU COULD. YOU COULD SIMPLY SAY THAT. THEY'RE PROHIBITED. BUT THERE IS NO DEADLINE TO TAKE HIM DOWN AND GRANDFATHER LIKE YOU HAVE OTHER USES, AND THEN JUST LET IT BY ATTRITION. YOU KNOW THOSE THAT GO AWAY, GET REBUILT, AND, UH. MISS. I'VE JUST GANDHI PROVIDED YOU WITH THE LIST TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT HISTORICALLY ARE GONNA DECIDE.

JUST HAVEN'T BEEN, UH. HAPPENING, AND I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY EACH YEAR GO DOWN, BUT IT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE IT'S ROUGHLY 50% OF THEM HAVE GONE AWAY SINCE THE EXTENSION. SO WHAT WAS NUMBER C. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M FOR. ON THE OPTION C IS TO, UM, JUST ELIMINATE THE DEADLINE COMPLETE. MEET THE DEADLINE, SO AND MAKE SOME CODE CHANGES IN EIGHT THE DEADLINES. WELL, ARE THEY LOOKING FOR MOTION OR. NO, MAYBE WE'RE NOT.

THIS IS THE DND THE RIGHT THING FOR SOME DIRECTION. WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION AND WE WOULD COME BACK WITH THE LDC AMENDMENT BASED ON THE DIRECTION I APOLOGIZE. I TRY AND. PUT MYSELF IN THE SHOES OF OUR PRIOR COMMISSIONERS, UM IS TO SEE WHAT. WHY THIS WAS UNDERTAKEN, AND I GUESS THAT'S ONE FOR SAFETY AFTER HURRICANE A MONUMENT SIGNS MORE STRUCTURALLY SOUND. UM. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT AND THAT I EQUATE TO WHAT WE DID IN OUR SIERRA WITH TRYING TO HARDEN AND PUT PUT. NO POWER LINES AND UTILITY LINES UNDERGROUND. THE OTHER, IT FOLLOWED A PRESENTATION AND IT SHOWED CLEARWATER, FLORIDA, AND IT SHOWED ALL THE SIGNS POLLUTION ESSENTIALLY BEING BOMBARDED BY SIGNS. AND THEN IT SHOWED HOW THAT SAME. I 60 CORRIDOR AND CLEARWATER HAD BEEN CONVERTED TO MONUMENT SIGNS. AND I STILL HAVE THE PICTURE IN MY OFFICE. AND IT IS A MUCH MORE PLEASANT PRESENTATION OF THE ROAD. IT JUST LOOKS GREENER, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE LAS VEGAS WELL, BUT THEN I GO BACK TO JUST WHAT WE SAW TODAY IN THE C R. A MEETING WITH. A YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, THAT THE TROPIC TINT SIGN ON A POLE AT 15 FT. HIGH IN THE SAME, YOU KNOW, WITH COMPARED TO A MONUMENT WITH THE BASICALLY THE EQUIVALENT WITH. AND STILL 15 FT HIGH. I DON'T SEE ANY THAT MUCH AESTHETIC DIFFERENCE. UM I WOULD UNDERSTAND IF WE PUT A HEIGHT LIMIT OR RESTRICTION.

MORE THAN THAT ON THE MONUMENT SIGNS. UM. AND SO I DON'T SEE THE HUGE ADVANTAGE. BUT I ALSO WASN'T HERE WHEN THE DECISION WAS MADE, AND I DIDN'T HEAR THAT PRESENTATION. I WONDER IF IT'S LEFT AND THE DEADLINE OCCURS. AS IT'S WRITTEN THAN OUR CITY CODE WOULD WOULD GO OUT AND. CODE AND FORCES OR WOULD THEY AS IT'S WRITTEN, BE GRANDFATHERED IN? AND ALLOWED TO CONTINUE JUST NONCONFORMING. THEY WOULD, UM IT CODE VIOLATION. THE LETTER THAT WE SENT BACK IN 2016. CLEARLY STATED THAT THEY HAVE TO REMOVE FOR, UM THEY WOULD BE QUOTE ENFORCED. OKAY? I DON'T. KNOWING MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. I DON'T THINK WE'RE WILLING TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE. I DON'T LIKE THAT. BUT I ALSO HEAR WHAT COMMISSIONER MCDONALD IS SAYING THAT. YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND AND SPENT THEIR MONEY. TO CONFORM TO THIS REQUEST BY OUR PRIOR COMMISSIONERS. AND IF WE JUST ELIMINATE ALL TOGETHER, WE'RE NOT BEING JUST. THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE STRETCHED THEIR OWN FINANCES. TO CONFORM TO WHAT THEIR PRIOR COMMISSION WANTED. AND YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH YOU. I'M. I'M TORN. I DON'T WANT TO SET A PRECEDENT THAT WE CONTINUALLY EXTENDED DEADLINE EXTEND DEADLINE, BUT. IF WE DO SOMETHING, AND A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES. LISTEN AND

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THEN TRY TO MEET THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO, UH. BEAUTIFY THE CITY AND MAKE IT SAFER DURING A STORM. AND THEN WE JUST FORGET ABOUT THAT AND WAVE IT FOR ALL THOSE THAT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. I DON'T. I DON'T SEE THAT. THAT'S BEING VERY JUST, UM AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS. REALIZING THAT THE PANDEMIC HIT. HAVING STAFF BRING BACK WAYS TO ACCELERATE THE PROGRAM. BUT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE PANDEMIC AND GIVING. AN EXTENSION OF THE FIVE YEARS. UH. WE CAN DO IF ANOTHER HURRICANE HITS ANOTHER COUPLE OF YEARS. DESTROYS BUSINESSES RIPS THEIR ROOFS OFF OR WHATEVER. YOU DOING THIS? UNDER THE CODE. THE DISTINCTION IS IF A HURRICANE HIT RIGHT NOW AND KNOCKED EVERYBODY'S POLE SIGN DOWN, EVEN WITH AN EXTENSION OR OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT A POLE SIGN BACK UP. THE QUESTION IS THE CITY COMMISSION JANUARY 1ST OF 2022. DIRECTING STAFF TO SEND 190 LETTERS OUT AND TELLING THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE CODING FOR US THAT THEY DON'T CHANGE THEIR SIGN OUT IN 30 DAYS, OR IS IT GOING TO EXTEND THAT DEADLINE TO A DIFFERENT TIME PRINT? I MEAN, I AM. PART OF ME IS APT TO JUST REMOVE THE DEADLINE ALTOGETHER AS YOU SUGGEST, MR BRUNER, BUT.

THE OTHER PART OF ME SAYS IF WE DO THAT, AND WE REMOVE ALL DEADLINES THEN WHAT ABOUT ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT. THAT HAVE CONFORMED AND HAVE SPENT THEIR OWN MONEY. JUST I MEAN, EVEN WE JUST SAW WE DID APPROVE TROPIC TENT. YOU KNOW, UM. $7000 OF THAT IS THEIR MONEY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE IN THE C R A AND THEY THEY HAVE THAT ADVANTAGE OF BEING IN THIS AREA. $7000 OF THAT IS THEIR MONEY. TO SWITCH AND GO TO A MONUMENT SIGN. NOW IF WE GO RIGHT NOW AND SAY THERE'S NO MORE TIMETABLES. FORGET ABOUT IT ALL. IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE BEING JUST TO THEM OR ANY OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES. IT TRIED TO WORK WITH WITH WHAT OUR PRIOR COMMISSIONERS.

ESTABLISHED. VERIFY ME. SURE. I, AFTER LISTENING AND I THINK THAT. OH THEY'RE ALREADY NONCONFORMING USE RIGHT NOW. SO IF THEY HAVE TO, IF SOMETHING COMES UP, BUT THEY HAVE TO REPLACE IT. THEY CAN'T I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH. DOING AN EXTENSION OF X AMOUNT OF TIME.

TAKE 2 TO 3 YEARS. BUT. CHANGING YOU GO, CREATING SOME. I GUESS YOU KNOW THEY CARRIED IN THE STICKS INCENTIVE TO IN ORDER TO GET THAT ACCELERATED. UM, I THINK SOME OF THE OPTIONS WE'RE A LITTLE AGGRESSIVE. MAYBE SOMETHING IN BETWEEN. NOT DOING ANYTHING TO ENCOURAGE FOLKS BUT SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S AS IF IT'S YOU KNOW IF THE PROPERTY IS VACANT FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME OR SOMETHING THAT WE DID THEY HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THE SIDE. THE DAMAGE SIGNS NEED TO COME DOWN. UM CERTAINLY SOME OF THOSE THINGS, UH, I THINK THAT WE COULD DO I'M NOT, AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO SIT UP HERE AND DECIDE RIGHT NOW WHAT EACH AND ONE OF THOSE ARE. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S. TO TAKE SOME TIME TO FOR STAFF TO DEVELOP, BUT. THIS WAY. IT TAKES OFF THE. THE BURDEN OF THE, UH, THAT'S BEEN CREATED BY THE HIGHER CONSTRUCTION PRICES THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED BY THE PANDEMIC. AND AT THE SAME TIME CREATES A LITTLE BIT INCENTIVE TO SPEED UP THIS PROCESS, ALL RIGHT? THANK YOU, COMMISSION MCDONALD. I CERTAINLY AGREE ABOUT THE VACANT PROPERTIES IF THE PROPERTY IS VACANT. OH, THERE COULD BE A TIME LIMIT FOR YEAH, SIGN. I DON'T KNOW, ALL SIGNED ENTIRELY BEING REMOVED.

THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO PUT A MONUMENT SIGN UP UNTIL THE PROPERTIES OCCUPIED RIGHT.

UGLY I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE SURE WHAT THAT TIME FRAME SHOULD BE. I DON'T I THINK 30 DAYS IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT SHORT JUST BECAUSE THAT'S JUST A TRANSITION FROM ONE TENANT TO ANOTHER. BUT SIX MONTHS. YOU KNOW, THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS, NINE MONTHS. DON'T KNOW. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW THIS IS A DISCUSSION, SO I THINK THAT. FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, JUST KIND OF GIVING IF WE CAN COME UP WITH. UH YOU KNOW, SOME CONSENSUS, WE CAN DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT WE CAN THAT WILL WORK AND WE CAN DELIVERY ONION NERDIST. RECOGNIZING THAT THERE IS CODE NOW. SO ONE OF THE PROPOSALS YOU COULD GIVE HIS FOR STAFF NOT TO BRING ANYTHING BACK. MEAN, RECOGNIZE THAT IT COULD BE THE OUTCOME DOESN'T

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RESULT IN ANY ORDINANCE COMING BACK, SO DON'T RELY ON THAT IS THE METHOD. TO SOLVE IT LATER BUT ALSO RECOGNIZE THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY OF THIS ROOM WILL BE FULL. YEAH, EXACTLY.

OH, YEAH. OH, VLADIMIR? YEAH, I JUST I JUST WAY AND I GUESS I'M NOT. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF CODE ENFORCING PROPERTIES. UM FOR ME. THE IDEAL SCENARIO WOULD BE THAT THEY BE NONCONFORMING THAT THEY ARE REPLACED OVER TIME WHEN THEY PROPERTY IS SOLD, OR IF THE SIGN IS. DAMAGED OR YOU KNOW THE PROPERTIES VACANT. UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T. I TRY TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE PRIOR COMMISSION WAS WAS INTENDING TO DO WITH THIS. FOR ME. THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY MY APPROACH. UM YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE HEAVY HANDED. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF LIKE THE CONDUCT COMMAND OF APPROACH OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT. UM I DON'T THINK POLE SIGNS ARE PARTICULARLY ATTRACTIVE BUT ALSO TO YOUR POINT. VICE MAYOR, YOU CAN MAKE A MONUMENT SIGNED BOOK UNATTRACTIVE AS WELL, AND IT'S A HECK OF A LOT MORE MATERIAL AND CONCRETE AND PETE.

SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S IT'S BEING A LITTLE TOO. UM. A LITTLE TOO DEMANDING, BUT IN ANY CASE, YOU KNOW AS A AS A FORMER SMALL BUSINESS OWNER WHO WAS TARGETED BY THIS, UH. BY THIS SIGNAGE ISSUE, EVEN THOUGH WE DID NOT HAVE A POLL FINDS, STRANGELY, UM, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AROUND IT. I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW. OVERALL GENERALLY, I THINK.

MONUMENT SIGNS LOOK BETTER, THEY PROBABLY ARE INCREASING THE PROPERTY VALUES. SO THOSE FOLKS THAT WENT AHEAD AND DID IT. THEY ARE GOOD STEWARDS OF THEIR PROPERTY. THEY ARE, YOU KNOW GOOD CITIZENS AND COMPLIED WITH THE LOCAL REGULATION. UM, AND THE BENEFIT TO THEM ALSO IS THAT YOU KNOW, GENERALLY, I WOULD SAY THAT THEIR PROPERTY VALUE PROBABLY DID INCREASE AS WELL. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE MUCH MORE CARROT. LET'S LET'S HAVE THEM BE NONCONFORMING. LET'S NOT START CODING, FORCING. OKAY. I MEAN, DO YOU THINK YOU'RE SUFFICIENT DIRECTION? MISS? I THINK SHE ADEQUATELY GOT EVERY SINGLE OPTION. ONE OTHER THING, THOUGH, THAT YOU MAY CONSIDER TWO IS ONE OF THE TYPES OF SIDE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. SOMETIMES WE HAVE A. TENDENCY TO THINK. OKAY, THIS IS A MOM AND POP BUSINESS AND A LITTLE COFFEE STORE. LOT OF THESE POLL SIGNS THAT ARE STILL UP ARE THE POLE SIGN THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE PLAZA. THAT HAS HOME DEPOT. THE GROCERY STORE AND FOUR OTHER GIANT ANCHORS IN IT IN 17 LITTLE PEOPLE IN IT, SO I DON'T I THINK THE TYPE OF USE MATTERS TOO. BECAUSE IF IT IS THE ONE PERSON ON COLORADO BOULEVARD THAT'S A HARD. PILL TO SWALLOW.

BUT IF IT'S A. SIGN THAT ACTUALLY IS A POLE SIGN INCORPORATING 17 DIFFERENT BUSINESSES ON IT, AND THEY CAN DIVIDE THE COST OF THAT BY ALL THE BUSINESSES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PLAZA. OR, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PLAZA THAT'S BEING DONE ON PUBLIC BEING REDONE OVER HERE.

WOULD GO TO A MONUMENT SIGN ANYWAY. AS THESE PLAZAS GET RENOVATED. BUT AGAIN I THROW THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT. WHAT SCIENCE WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE OR NOT SAVE.

OKAY WE DON'T EXACTLY HAVE THE OPTION TO DISCRIMINATE ON. I DON'T DISAGREE. WE CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE BUT RIGHT? THOSE LITTLE MOM AND POP SHOPS. THOSE ARE 2 $20,000 SIGNS THEY HAVE TO PUT UP. THAT WAS JUST A HIGHER NUMBER THAT I PROVIDED. BIG MONUMENT SIGNS ARE NOT CHEAP. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY CHANGE AT ALL, IF YOU EVEN IF IT'S $1, THEY'RE PUTTING OUT SOMETHING RIGHT. I MEAN, NO MATTER WHAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING. I HAD NO IDEA THEY WERE. FOR THAT MUCH MONEY WELL, AND IT DEPENDS. ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE THEM LET ARE THEY GOING TO USE THE HIGHER QUALITY? YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOTS OF BONUS. PUT AN L A D. AND YEAH, I GOT LIKE THE METHODS CHURCH, RIGHT? IF I CAN. I KNOW I CAME UP WITH THIS. I DIDN'T MEAN TO SCREW THE POOCH ON THIS. BUT AGAIN, UH, THE. THE IDEA THAT YOU KNOW YOU WOULD SEE A THOROUGHFARE AND IT'S YOU KNOW THAT DREADED SCENARIO OF CLEARWATER WITH ALL OF THE POLE SIGNS, AND WE LOOK LIKE LAS VEGAS THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO COME TO, FOR THAT COULDN'T COME TO FOR WHICH VERSION WITH. THE PERSON I'M ADVOCATING FOR BECAUSE IT'S STILL IN THE COUNTRY WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN CARRIED. SO YOU'RE NOT. IT'S NOT. WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE NEW ONES. MONEY UH, HOW ABOUT THIS AS A TRYING TO TRYING TO JUST. DIRECTOR SO STAFF SO STAFF DOESN'T HAVE TO COME UP WITH 32 DIFFERENT ORDINANCES. UM WHAT IF WE. GO AHEAD AND JUST ELIMINATED THAT WINE. MAKE THEM NON CONFORMING, BUT. LOOK AT THE WHAT CAN WHAT? IT MAKES SOME NON CONFORMING VACANT LOT FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD

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OF TIME. UH SO MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT. CAN WE DO THAT? YEAH I MEAN, YOU COULD MAKE IT SO YOU CAN'T EVEN CHANGE THE SIGN OUT INSIDE. SO BASICALLY OPTION THREE. YEAH, YEAH, OPTION THREE. I THINK SOME OF THE STUFF IS A LITTLE BIT TOO AGGRESSIVE, BUT I THINK WE CAN ADJUST THAT WHEN WE COME BACK. YEAH. SO IF THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY FROM A FROM A, UH, CONSENSUS. YEAH I THINK I'LL THROW THAT OUT. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT VICE MAYOR? I'LL SUPPORT THAT. I MEAN, I JUST OKAY. I'M HERE. NONE OF THE FOUR. LET'S GO AHEAD. YEAH. OH YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T SPENT ENOUGH TIME TOGETHER. YOU GOT IT AND TRY TO DRAW IT OUT. I'LL SUPPORT ADMITS ARE LONG MEETING WE TRY AND DRAFTED RIGHT NOW WE STILL JUST GO FIVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. STAFF THEY WANT TO GO ALONG AND MISSED THE LAST MEETING. WE GOT TO GIVE HER WHAT SHE CAME FOR. COME ON, COMMISSIONER BRUNER HAD THIS WRAPPED UP 15 MINUTES. MR. I'LL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING THIS WEEK FOR YOU. THE SKIN. YOU HAVE ENOUGH, BUT I STILL LOVE YOU GUYS. OKAY? NO OTHER COMMENTS. NO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION. NO. 4 30. BUDGET BUDGET MEETINGS AT 4 30 ON JULY 29.

I'M MISSING ANOTHER MEETING FOR THAT, BUT THAT'S OKAY. I USED TO BE, UM RETURNS MARY SHELTER.

UM THIS MAIDEN IS GOING TO BE ADJOURNED MOMENTARILY. NO THE COMMENTS ADJOURNED. YEAH.

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