Sep 14, 2021 Community Redevelopment Board/Historic Preservation Board Board Meeting

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MEETING TO ORDER. CAN STAND FOR THE PLEDGE. LEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. WHAT'S NEXT? THIS.

ROLL CALL. CHAIR LOUIS VICE CHAIR, CAMPENNI. PORT MEMBER JULIE BOARD MEMBER MAY COMES IN HERE. BOARD MEMBER SCHROTH HERE, REMEMBER WACHA HERE, REMEMBER WILSON. I GOT A APPROVAL OF THE

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OKAY? OKAY UH, THIS IS ON SAILFISH. PROFESSOR. DOES ANYONE HAVE AND HE COMMENTS, PUBLIC COMMENTS. REGARDING ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. I JUST LIKE TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT. ANYBODY BOARD MEMBERS YOU DIDN'T PUBLIC PUBLIC. TAKE NONE NOW BOARD

[COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS]

[1.  Ordinance No. 2464-2021; Sportfish Marina UPUD]

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THE CITY COMMISSION DECIDED NOT TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT AND DIRECTED THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH AN ALTERNATIVE. UM, PROPOSAL. THIS ONE. THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES 51 ROOM HOTEL. IF YOU RECALL, THE LAST PROPOSAL WERE MORE SWEET LIGHT ROOMS WITH KITCHENS IN THERE.

THIS ONE IS ROOMS WITHOUT KITCHENS. A 64 SEAT RESTAURANT. THIS IS A NEW ADDITION TO THE PROPOSAL. A 49 MARINA SLIPS AND THAT'S A CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY. PROPOSED. THE LOCATION IS EAST OF LEGAL AVENUE. UM. ZONING IS URBAN WATERFRONT. IT'S LOCATED IN THE URBAN DISTRICTS OF THE SIERRA. THE ZONING AS THEY PROPOSED U P U D URBAN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. AN URBAN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ALLOWS CONDITIONS TO BE ATTACHED, UM, TO DEPART FROM CITY CODE. AND ALSO ALLOWS VARIANCES TO VARIOUS OTHER, UM ZONING.

REQUIREMENTS. THE FUTURE LAND USES MARINE INDUSTRIAL AND THAT REMAINS AS MARINE INDUSTRIAL.

SO THE MARINE INDUSTRIAL, UH, DISTRICT ALLOWS THE USES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED HERE TODAY COMMERCIAL LODGING AND MARINAS. UM THERE'S OWNING THE U P U D ALLOWS ANY USE WITHIN THE URBAN DISTRICTS, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES HOTELS, RESTAURANTS AND MARINAS. THE REASON WHY THIS.

IS WITHIN COMING TO THE. BOARD IS PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE CITY CODE REQUIRES THE CITY COMMISSION AND CLB TO LOOK AT PARKING WITHIN BUILDING ENVELOPE. SO THE U P D REQUEST INCORPORATES PROPOSALS THAT DO DEPART FROM THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THERE ARE TWO THAT TWO MAJOR ONES ARE ELEVATED BUILDINGS THERE, SO WE. NEED TO LOOK AT ANY BUILDING, WHICH IS AS PARKING BENEATH THE ELEVATED BUILDING ENVELOPE. AND ALSO. IF THE BUILDING IS 100 FT. MORE IN WITH WHICH THIS IS THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE A. VISTA THROUGH OR OF VIEW CORRIDOR THROUGH THE BUILDING FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY TO THE TO THE RIVER. WHICH IS NOT LESS THAN 12 FT, IN WITH. UH AND LET THE APPLICANT DEMONSTRATE HOW THAT HAS BEEN. UH ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THEIR ARCHITECTURE. PARKING ANY PARKING ON THIS SITE NEEDS TO COMPLY WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS UNLESS VARIANCES GRANTED AS PART OF THE URBAN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROCESS. UH HOTEL REQUIRES 51 SPACES RESTAURANT 16. WE ACCOUNT THE EMPLOYEES AS PROVIDED WHICH ARE SEVEN SPACES. UM MARINA REQUIRES 13 SPACES THAT GIVES US A TOTAL OF 87 REQUIRED SPACES. THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES. TWO LEVELS OF PARKING UNDER THE BUILDING ENVELOPE. WHICH PROVIDES 50 PARKING STALLS. SO AN ADDITIONAL. PLUS OR MINUS 40 SPACES ARE PROPOSED TO BE PROVIDED OFF SITE. I'VE GOT TO HAVE TO SAY THAT. WHEN THIS APPLICATION CAME IN, DID INCLUDE. A PROPOSAL TO USE A PARCEL THAT WAS OFF SITE TO USE THE TO PROVIDE THESE ADDITIONAL SPACES. UH SINCE THAT TIME THAT HAS BEEN FOUND TO REQUIRE MORE PROCESSING. UM AND SO IT'S NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THIS APPLICATION. IT WOULD NEED TO BE ITS OWN APPLICATION IN ANY CASE AS IT'S NOT CONNECTED WITH THE SITE AND DEFECATED BY DIXIE HIGHWAY. SHARED PARKING ANALYSIS HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, WHICH INDICATES THAT IF WE APPLY. INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS CALCULATIONS TO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT REDUCES THE 87 TO 71 PEAK TIMES DURING THE WEEKDAY. AND 60 SPACES AT PEAK TIMES AT THE WEEKENDS. IF THIS MOVES FORWARD AND STAFF RECOMMENDING CONDITION REQUIRING THAT THE SITE PLAN FOR US OFF SITE PARKING IS APPROVED PRIOR. TO ANY VERTICAL

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FROM NORTHEAST FLAGLER. THE BUILDING HEIGHT. IS. MAINTAINED AT 45 FT. AND THAT IS. WHERE WE START. THAT MEASUREMENT IS. AT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE. FINISHED FIRST FLOOR ELEVATION, AND THAT'S DESCRIBED IN CODE OF WHERE THAT STARTS. UM AND SO THE BUILDING TO THE EAVES, AND IT'S 45 FT. AND THEN THERE IS ALLOWANCE IN THE CODE FOR 15 FT, ADDITIONAL FOR ANY ROOF LINES, AND THE APPLICANT HAS. CONFIRMED THAT THE ROOF LINE WILL NOT EXCEED 50 60% FROM THE FINISHED FIRST FLOOR ELEVATION, SO ALL THAT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S CODE. SO THE SITE DATA PUT THAT UP JUST IN CASE WE NEED TO GO BACK TO IT. LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, WHICH YOU SEE THE AND THE BUILDING. FAIRLY COVERS THE WHOLE SITE OR ACCESS POINTS. TO A BOARDWALK, WHICH RUNS IN FRONT OF THE, UH, PROPOSAL ALONGSIDE THE WATERWAY AND MAINTAINING THE MANGROVES IN PLACE. THERE ARE CONNECTIONS TO NORTH WEST FLAGLER AVENUE AND ESCAPING. DOWN BY THE SIDE AND TO THE REAR. SECOND FLOOR IS PRIMARILY, UM, HOTEL ROOMS. 3RD 4TH SIMILAR. AND 44 HAS A SWIMMING POOL RESTAURANT. UM KITCHEN AND IT'S LIKE A LOBBYING. AGAIN. THAT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE THAT UH, THE RESTAURANTS OF THE HOTEL GUESTS. SO THE RECOMMENDATION WITH THIS FROM THE STAFF POINT OF VIEW IS TO CONSIDER THE PROPOSAL. AND IF. THE BOARD ARE MINDED TO MOVE THE ORDINANCE THROUGH TO CITY COMMISSION FOR A FIRST HEARING. UM UNLESS THE BORDERS GOT ANY QUESTIONS OF THIS, THEN I WILL HAND OVER TO THE APPLICANT. BOTH HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. I HAVE ONE. I'LL WAIT TILL ACTUALIZED.

OKAY PATIENT, OKAY, SO I'LL HAND OVER TO, BUT I DID HAVE ONE STAFF. I WAS WONDERING AS I WAS READING THROUGH THIS. AT WHAT POINT WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE? OF THE CITY COMMISSION. FOR PUT IN THAT KIND OF RESTRICTION ON THE ENCLOSED PARKING. DON'T LET ME KNOW LATER. DO YOU MEAN WHY WE REQUIRE APPLICATIONS TO COME BEFORE BOARDS IF THEY HAVE UNDERSTORY PARKING KNOW WHY WE EVER RESTRICTION ON UNDERGROUND MARK? WHILE THE RESTRICTION IS THAT CONDITION THAT IF ANYBODY PROPOSES THAT IT COMES BEFORE BOARDS THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE BY THE CITY COMMISSION, AND MAYBE THE C R A AND C R B AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THE URBAN CODE. IT JUST I THINK PETE'S POINT. IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE FOR URBAN DEVELOPMENT TO PROHIBIT. YEAH I HAVE NO DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT. IT'S I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY THAT WOULD BE THE CASE OTHER THAN. TO SAY IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT YOU REALLY DON'T WANT IN A DOWNTOWN ENVIRONMENT, ESPECIALLY A STREET, WHICH IS JUST LINED WITH. ON STREET PARKING. IN EFFECT, THE VIEWPOINT SHOULD BE. UM ACTIVITY FROM A COMMERCIAL OR RESTAURANT OR SOME OF THE EU'S, SO THAT WOULD BE THE PRIORITY. IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE DON'T ALLOW IT. IT HAS BEEN ALLOWED, BUT IT'S JUST A PROCESS TO GET THAT I DID MY QUESTION PROCESS MORE QUESTIONING. AT WHAT POINT IN THE PAST, THE CITY DECIDED THEY WEREN'T GOING TO ALLOW.

PROBABLY 2000 AND FOUR WHEN THE URBAN CODE WAS ADOPTED IN ITS PRESENT CONDITION, SO, MR MCCARTHY HELLO, SIR. RIGHT? YOU HEAR ME? PLEASURE. HOW ARE YOU TODAY? YOU HAVE TO SPEAK EVEN

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PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, UH, WHEN A STATE ON THE RECORD I'VE. PROVIDED THE AFFIDAVIT ATTESTING NOTIFICATION. YEAH, I'LL TAKE.

SO WE PROVIDED THE APPROPRIATE MAIL OUTS AND SIGNATURE NOTIFICATION ON SITE. UM. TO US STAFF INDICATED AND I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE REPEATING SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT STAFF MENTIONED. YOU KNOW, WE WERE PREVIOUSLY PREVIOUSLY HERE. WE HAD A DIFFERENT PROGRAM FOR THE PROPERTY. UM. WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD TOOK IN TO CONSIDERATION, COMMENTS THAT CAME FROM THIS BOARD AND THEN FROM THE PUBLIC AND FROM COMMISSIONERS. UM. AND SO WE'RE BACK HERE TODAY TO SHARE WITH YOU. THE REPROGRAMMING. AGAIN. THIS IS. LEGACY PROJECT FOR THESE GENTLEMEN, UM, THEIR LOCAL HERE TO STEWART, THREE GENERATIONS WORKING TOGETHER.

GRANDFATHER TRYING TO PASS THE TORCH DOWN TO HIS GRANDSON. DAVID FOSTER. THEY'RE ALL HERE WITH US TODAY. GREAT FAMILY, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN MAKE THE SUCCESS FOR THEM. UM. PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE OLD ROOSEVELT BRIDGE. UM JUST NORTH OF CAP TAX OFFICE.

YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A RESORT. HOTEL MARINA THAT WILL BRING PEOPLE TO DOWNTOWN. UM MAKING STEWART A DESTINATION. I'M ALSO ON THE STUART MAIN STREET BOARD AND SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. IS THE LACK OF RESORT HOTELS THAT WE HAVE AND STEWART TO ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE. COMING IN DOWNTOWN. WE JUST REALLY ARE LACKING IN THAT. AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT THIS FITS A DIRE NEED THAT WE HAVE IN OUR DOWNTOWN. UM IT ALSO. NO FOCUSES ON SPORT FISHING. THE MARINE INDUSTRY, BOATING, YACHTING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. UM. WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE FLOORS OF ROOMS. WITH A RESTAURANT ON THE TOP FLOOR. WITH A POOL AMENITY DECK. WORSE STILL. PROPOSING THE 49 WET SLIPS THAT WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. AS PAROLE ARE SUBMERGED LAND LEASE WITH THE STATE. AND, UM. YOU KNOW THE CURRENT CONDITIONS LOOK LIKE THIS. THIS IS THE OLD SELFISH CENTER. IT'S BASICALLY A DEFUNCT BUILDING. THAT'S IN VERY. POOR SHAPE AND DISREPAIR.

COPPER'S BEEN STRIPPED OUT OF IT. IT'S QUITE AN EYESORE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THERE.

AND YOU KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THIS. NO. VAST IMPROVEMENT TO THE AREA. THIS WILL. BLEND IN WITH THE FORM OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ALREADY CONTINUING TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH. AND, UM. WE BELIEVE IT WILL BE A POSITIVE EFFECT ON THAT AREA. AND DIVERSIFYING THE TYPE OF USES ALONG OUR WATERFRONT. VERSUS. YOU KNOW THE CONTINUED LOSS OF OUR WATERFRONT CONDOMINIUMS. THIS IS A. AERIAL VIEW. LOOKING DOWN ON THE PROJECT WITH THE PROPOSED ROOF LINES, YOU CAN SEE THE POOL AMENITY DECK AND WHERE THE. RESTAURANT WILL BE LOCATED THERE RIGHT NEXT TO THE POOL. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING. AND TREES THAT WE PUT AROUND THE SITE. YOU'LL ALSO SEE IN THIS IMAGE WHERE GRAPHICALLY THIS IS THE EXTENSION OF THE BOARDWALK. SO THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS THE MISSING LINK. IF YOU WILL. FOR THE BOARDWALK, AND THIS WILL BE OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SO THIS WILL BE A CONNECTION VALUABLE CONNECTION THAT WILL CONTINUE ALLOW THAT CONTINUATION OF THAT BOARDWALK.

UM, YOU'LL SEE, WE AVOIDED AND MINIMIZED IMPACTS TO THE MANGROVE WETLANDS. AND SO WE DODGED OUR DOCK OUT THROUGH THIS OPENING. THAT WILL PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE MARINA. THIS IS KIND OF OVERALL. AH! PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND HOW THE DOC

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VERY MINIMAL. OBVIOUSLY IN URBAN ENVIRONMENT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF GREEN SPACE. BUT THE URBAN DISTRICT YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE TYPE OF FORM OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT TO SEE, AND THAT THE CODE UM, SUPPORTS. NOW THIS IS WHERE WE WERE CONTEMPLATING THE. PARKING LOT. SO THIS IS DIXIE HIGHWAY HERE. EXCUSE ME, DIXIE HIGHWAY, AND THIS IS OLEANDER. CAN POINT SHADOW. AND MY CLIENTS. CONTEMPLATING THE ACQUISITION OF THIS SAD PORTION OF PROPERTY YOU'LL SEE. HERE WE PROVIDED A SITE PLAN LAYOUT. WITH BASICALLY A TWO WAY DRIVE.

I'LL AND THEN 90 DEGREE PARKING WITH SOME LANDSCAPE ISLANDS IN IT. UM. UP UNTIL LAST WEEK.

EVERYTHING WAS LOOKING PRETTY GOOD, AND THEN WE RECEIVED A COMMENT. FROM UTILITIES. THAT THIS WATER MAIN RUNS THROUGH THIS RIGHT OF WAY. SO THIS IS A 20 FT RIGHT OF WAY. THAT RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY. AND WHAT WE WERE CONTEMPLATING IS ABANDONING THIS RIGHT OF WAY.

AND ULTIMATELY ACHIEVE THIS. UM PUBLIC WORKS CAME CAME TO US, UH IN THE LAST WEEK PROVIDED COMMENTS STATED THAT THIS WATER MAIN WOULD HAVE TO BE RELOCATED. UM WE ALSO SPOKE WITH STAFF. CAV, AND IT WAS DETERMINED. THAT THIS RIGHT OF WAY MIGHT HAVE SOME CHALLENGES AND CERTAIN PROCEDURES THAT WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR IN ORDER ABANDON. AND THEN WE'RE IN OUR DUE DILIGENCE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME SOME TITLE ITEMS. BUT. BASICALLY AS OF LAST WEEK THIS WE'RE NOT REAL SURE OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO OCCUR IF IT CAN OCCUR. IF IT'S COST EFFECTIVE OR VIABLE, BASED ON RELOCATION OF A WATER MAIN AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. UM BUT WE ARE. WE ARE COMMITTED TO COMPLYING WITH THE PARKING REQUIRED. HERE'S SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURE BEFORE WE GET TO ARCHITECTURE. I JUST WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TOUCH BASE ON THE REQUEST, SO. IN THIS U P U D REQUEST WE'RE ASKING TO ALLOW PARKING WITHIN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE AS STAFF INDICATED. WE'RE ALSO ASKING. TO MODIFY THE REQUIRED VISUAL CORRIDOR VISTA THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AS DESIGNED AND WE'RE ALSO REQUESTING REDUCE THE REQUIRED PARKING TO 64 SPACES. OKAY? SO BY GOING BACK I'LL LET THE ARCHITECT TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING. AND THE DESIGN AND SOME OF THE PROGRAMMING AND THEN I'LL COME BACK UP AND I'LL CONTINUE WITH THE PRESENTATION.

GOOD AFTERNOON BOARD MEMBERS. BRENTWOOD LOCAL ARCHITECT AND STEWART ARCHITECTURALLY APPLICANT. PLEASURE TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU. UM SO. AS HAS BEEN SAID THIS IS, UH I'M SURE YOU REMEMBER. THIS IS OUR SECOND PRESENTATION FOR THE PROJECT. LAST TIME WE PRESENTED THIS PROJECT TO YOU. MM, WALKED AND TALKED A LOT. LIKE WHAT? WE'RE GOING TO BE SHOWING YOU TODAY ACCEPTED. SORT OF THE MAIN IDEA. THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS WHAT WE WHAT WE PRESENTED BEFORE YOU WAS A HOTEL. THAT WAS INTENDED TO CATER TO A SPECIFIC MARKET. THE VOTING MARKETPLACE, SO WE WERE GOING FOR A LESS FORMALIZED HOTEL. AND WITH MORE OF EXTENDED STAY OR SWEET TYPE HOTEL ROOMS, AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TODAY IS MORE OF A TRADITIONAL HOTEL IN ITS OPERATION AND PRESENTATION. SO I'LL START WITH THE SLIDES WERE LOOKING AT THE ELEVATION ON THE ON THE TOP IS THE IS THE WEST ELEVATION AT FRONTS THE STREET ON THE BOTTOM, RIGHT CORNER. UM.

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AND WHEN, WHEN THAT TRANSLATES TO THE GROUND FLOOR PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE POINT IS TO IDENTIFY A SENSE OF ARRIVAL. A SENSE OF ENTRY, AND YOU KNOW, A FORMAL LOBBY WHERE YOU WOULD CHECK IN AND NORMAL THINGS YOU'D EXPECT IN A HOTEL WOULD BE IN THAT LOCATION. SO YOU.

POINT IS, YOU KNOW WE WERE GOING. THE LAST VERSION OF THIS BUILDING REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THAT. IT WAS INTENDED TO BE MORE OF A PREARRANGED ARRIVAL, MEANING GUESTS WOULD HAVE DONE THINGS MORE DIGITALLY. WHEREAS NOW YOU'RE GOING TO CHECK IN LIKE YOU WOULD ANY OTHER HOTEL.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING. THERE'S AN ARRIVAL POINT BEFORE YOU ENTER THE BUILDING. SO AS YOU WERE A RECALL, THE ENTRY FROM THIS BUILDING WOULD BE FROM THE SOUTH. SO THE FIRST THE FIRST POINT OF ARRIVAL IS THE LOBBY. AND THE IDEA IS YOU CHECK IN HERE. THERE'S QUEUING FOR CARS STREET SIDE. AND YOUR VERTICAL CIRCULATIONS WITHIN THE BUILDING WILL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND. AS YOU TRAVEL LEFT ON THE ON THAT DRAWING OR MORE TO THE NORTH, SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S OPENINGS HERE. THAT IS THE ENTRANCE INTO THE PARKING STRUCTURE. SO IT'S SIMILAR BEFORE WHERE THERE'S TWO LEVELS OF PARKING. ONE LEVEL IS ABOUT A HALF A FLOOR DOWN FROM STREET LEVEL. SO 4.5 5 FT. APPROXIMATELY WHERE THE CURRENT SHORELINE IS EXACTLY LIKE BEFORE. THE SECOND LEVEL IS ABOUT A HALF A LEVEL UP FROM ST. LOBBY IS AT STREET LEVEL, SO THAT JUST PRESENTS A LOT OF PROGRAMMATIC CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE OVERCOME IN THE DESIGN.

BUT JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN HOW IT WORKS, AS YOU WOULD ACTUALLY. EXPERIENCE THE BUILDING SO PARKING PARKING IS BOTH UP AND DOWN FROM THE STREET LOBBIES AT STREET LEVEL.

AS YOU GO FURTHER TO THE NORTH. MORE OF OUR. SERVICE SERVICES, TRASH DELIVERIES LOADING. THE THINGS THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO OPERATE THE BUILDING ON A DAILY BASIS, OR SORT OF DOWN HERE MORE STAFF, AND THE POINT WAS TO GET AWAY FROM OUR LOBBY. WHAT WE PRESENTED YOU LAST TIME WAS A. A THIRD STORY MANY THE LEVEL AGAIN IT WAS A MUCH MORE MUCH, MUCH LESS FORMALIZED AMENITY JACKET WAS ON THE THIRD LEVEL MEETING. RIGHT ON THE DECK OF THE GARAGE. THOSE SERVICES. THERE'S AMENITIES HAVE MOVED TO THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING NOW, SO THEY'RE MORE INTEGRATED WITH THE HOTEL PORTION OF THE GUEST SUITES PORTION SO. BUILDING PRESENTS ITSELF LIKE BEFORE. IT'S WE'VE MADE EVERY EVERY EFFORT TO BREAK THE BUILDING SCALE DOWN ITS A LARGE BUILDING. WE HAVE TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE THE VISTAS AS MUCH AS WE CAN PROVIDE THAT THERE'S PARKING ON THE STREET LEVEL. SO YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THIS DOUBLE DOUBLE STORY OPENING HERE. IT'S ABOUT 40 FT WIDE. AT ITS HIGHEST POINT HERE IS 13 FT. TALL. AND IT CONTINUES UP TO LEVELS ABOVE IT. AND THAT'S ABOUT 20. FT. WIDE AND. 24 FT. TALL, GIVE OR TAKE, SO WE'VE EXCEEDED THE VISTA. THE VISITOR REQUIREMENTS 12 FT BY 12 FT. WE'VE TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE US. AS MUCH BEYOND THAT, AS WE COULD. TO HANG ON TO THE INTENT OF THE OF THE CODE. THE SECOND. THE BOTTOM ELEVATION IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM THE NORTH SIDE. SO REALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SEEING THE WEST ELEVATION. IT SORT OF FADES OFF AT AN ANGLE. SO YOU'RE SEEING THE WEST ELEVATION HERE? BUT THIS IS THE NORTH SIDE SO REALLY NOT VERY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. SORRY AND YOU KNOW, SO THE STREET ON THIS ELEVATION STREETS TO THE RIGHT AND THE WATER IS TO THE LEFT. SO HERE HERE, WE'VE GOT THE RIVERFRONT OR THE EAST ELEVATION HERE. AND LIKE BEFORE YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT OF BALCONIES FACING THE WATER.

THIS IS ALL HOTEL ROOMS. EVERYTHING YOU SEE HERE AND THEN PARKING ON THE BOTTOM TWO LEVELS, WHICH IS SORT OF SIGNIFIED AS A PEDESTAL. WE'VE SORT OF CHANGED UP COLOR OF CHANGE OF TEXTURE TO TRY TO BREAK UP THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING. THERE'S SOME BLANK AREA HERE, AND THAT'S LITERALLY A FUNCTION OF THE FACT THAT THAT'S THE POOL. IT'S A ROOFTOP POOL. UH YOU KNOW, IT EXTENDS DOWN TO THE LEVEL B B BENEATH IT. SO WE'VE JUST TRIED TO ARTICULATE THE BREAK UP THAT FACADE AS OPPOSED TO A BLANK WALL. BUT IT'S A POOL BEHIND IT. AND SAME SAME THING HERE. SOUTH BUILDING ELEVATION WITH THE WATER SIDE TO THE RIGHT AND THE STREET TO THE LEFT. THIS WOULD BEHIS WOULD BE THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE LOBBY SORT OF WRAPPED THAT CORNER AND WE'VE ALSO INCORPORATED SHIP STORE, WHICH I'LL GET INTO IN A PLAN VIEW. SO JUST TO RECAP THE HEIGHT THE BUILDING HEIGHTS WE HAVE STREET HERE. AND WE GO DOWN HALF A LEVEL 45 FT TO WHAT WE CALL THE BASEMENT LEVEL. THAT WOULD BE THE SECOND LEVEL OF THE PARKING HERE STILL SHOWING THE POOL HERE. BUT NOW THE PULLS UP AT THE AT THE FOURTH LEVEL, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE THREE HOTEL LEVELS. THAT'S YOUR 45 FT TO THE ROOF DECK, AND WE HAVE NOT EXCEEDED THE 15 FT. BEYOND THAT TO ANY PART OF THE ROOF. AS REQUIRED BY CODE. SO. FLOOR PLAN. GROUND FLOOR PLAN SITE PLAN WE'VE GOT HERE IS THIS IS YOUR CUING OFF OF OFF OF THE MAIN STREET, SO I FIGURE WE'VE GOT ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE CARS BEING ABLE TO BE

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BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING. AND THIS SIDE ENTRANCES ACCESS RIGHT OFF THAT. SO THESE BATHROOMS THERE'S A COUPLE OF BATHROOMS WITH SHOWERS FOR MARINA GUESTS. UM SO YOU CHECK INTO THE LOBBY. IT'S GOTTA GRAB AND GO MARKETPLACE AND THEN THE ELEVATORS AND STAIRS GETTING YOU UP TO THE TO THE GUEST LEVELS ABOVE. UM, THESE ARE THE RAMPS. THIS RAMP WOULD GO DOWN FROM ST HALF A LEVEL DOWN THIS ONE GOES HALF A LEVEL TO THE SECOND LEVEL ABOVE US. WE'VE GOT A FULL LAUNDRY FACILITY HERE. COMMERCIAL LAUNDRY FACILITY WE'VE GOT RECEIVING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR A LOT OF THE AMENITIES ARE DEMAND. THESE ARE ON THE FOURTH LEVEL. SO THE VERDICT HOW YOU HOW YOU SERVICE THOSE FROM THE STREET BECOMES REALLY CRITICAL. SO THIS IS WHERE ALL THOSE THINGS WOULD HAPPEN WERE DELIVERIES AND TRASH. WHAT HAPPENED DOWN HERE? THERE IS A TRASH CHUTE. THERE'S A SERVICE ELEVATOR. AND ALL THAT HAPPENS IN AN ENCLOSED, SECURE ENVIRONMENT HERE FOR STAFF. THERE'S ALSO GENERATOR ROOM, UM IN CASE OF EMERGENCIES. THIS IS THE PARKING LEVEL ABOVE THAT SO AGAIN HALF A LEVEL OF FROM STREET BECAUSE THIS IS HALF A LEVEL UP IN THE LOBBY, AND SOME OF THESE SERVICES ARE DIRECTLY OFF OF THE STREET. THEY WOULD LITERALLY PUNCHED THROUGH THIS IN ORDER TO GET THE HEAD HEIGHT THAT YOU WOULD NEED. SO YOU'RE SEEING THE SORT OF OPEN TO BELOW THERE THERE AND THEN JUST YOUR STANDARD PARKING THAT WE'VE WORKED OUT ON THAT LEVEL. SO THE FIRST LEVEL OF HOTEL ROOMS. UM AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S THE ROOMS ARE MUCH SMALLER. THEY'RE MORE IN THAT 450 TO 500 SQUARE FOOT TRADITIONAL HOTEL HOTEL ROOMS RIGHT ABOUT THAT RANGE. THE ROOMS DO VARY JUST SIMPLE SIMPLY AS A MATTER OF GEOMETRY OF THE BUILDING. IT'S SORT OF THE WAY THAT. THE BUILDING SORT OF SLICES. IT'S IT, WE COULD NOT ACHIEVE THE REGULAR SPACING. SO WE'VE. WE MADE IT AS REGULAR AS WE COULD. BUT THERE IS SOME VARIATION SO THEY'RE MUCH SMALLER ROOMS. WE DID KEEP SOME SWEETS ON THE CORNERS THERE'S A SUITE HERE AND I BELIEVE SWEET HERE. SO IN TOTAL, THERE'S THREE SUITES TWO SUITES ON THE THIS LEVEL. AND ONE SUITE ON THE NEXT LEVEL ABOVE IT. SORRY THAT WOULD BE ONE MORE BEFORE THERE'S ONE ON THE ON THE TOP LEVEL AS WELL. SO THAT WOULD BE FOUR SUITES. SO THIS IS THE FIRST AMENITY LEVEL OR THE FIRST GUEST ROOM LEVEL. AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS A TERRORIST WHERE THE PARKING THIS IS THE TOP THE ROOF OF THE PARKING DECK. SO WE HAVEN'T QUITE PROGRAM THAT YET BUT SOME SORT OF A TERRORIST ON THE STREET SIDE AND THE RIVERSIDE. TO THE NEXT LEVEL ABOVE IT. WITH THE SAME GUEST ROOM LAYOUT AS THE LOWER LEVEL BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU SEE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE POOL READING THROUGH THIS KIND OF RESULTED IN A YOU KNOW, A QUIRKY ROOM HERE ON THE ON THE ON THE RIGHT SIDE. SO THE THIRD GUEST ROOM LEVEL FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING REALLY MAINTAINS THE SAME LAYOUT OF HOTEL ROOMS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. FROM THAT LINE NORTH IS WORTHY AMENITIES OCCUR. SO WE'VE GOT 64 SEAT RESTAURANT WITH AN INDOOR OUTDOOR BAR. I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO SAY ABOUT 2025 SEATS.

THE BAR. MM MEETING ROOM, PRIVATE MEETING ROOM. ADEQUATE BATHROOMS FOR ALL THESE FUNCTIONS OF FULL SERVICE KITCHEN, SO WE HAD BEFORE WE JUST SIMPLY CALL THE SNACK SHACK. IT WAS A VERY LIMITED BAR POOLSIDE REAL. THIS IS A REAL FULL FUNCTIONING COMMERCIAL KITCHEN. THIS IS A BIG KITCHEN. SO IT CAN SERVE US BOTH THE RESTAURANT ALL OF THE ALL THE HOTEL ROOMS, AND WE'RE REALLY GOING FOR MORE OF A YOU KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS ROOFTOP THING, LET'S REALLY TRY TO GIVE IT SOME PUNCH. SO THIS IS A HUGE OPEN POOL TERRACE HERE AT THE BAR, SORT OF SPILLS OUT INTO. PLENTY OF ROOM FOR GUESTS SUNBATHING AND THEN FOR PRIVATE CABANAS, ALL FACING THE EASTERN RIVER. SO THINKING IN THE AFTERNOONS, THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE THE PLACE TO BE. I MEAN THE SUN SETTING BEHIND YOU. YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT GETTING BEAT UP BY THE BY THE URINE, SOME SHADOWS AND I CAN GET HEATED BY THE SUN. WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTURE GOES AGAIN. IF YOU REMEMBER THE LAST PRESENTATION THIS WALKS AND TALKS A LOT LIKE IT, YOU CAN SEE SORT OF WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE. THOSE CABANAS IN THE POOL AREA HERE AND THEN THE HOTEL ROOM JUST SORT OF ABOUT ALL BALCONIES AND THE WATERSIDE. PARKING GARAGES. THIS THIS LOWER HALF HERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLEARLY IDENTIFIED AS A PEDESTAL TO TRY TO BREAK UP SOME MASSING. JUST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT VIEWS FROM THE WATER. IF ONLY OUR WATER WAS TRULY THAT BLUE. AND THIS IS THE STREET SIDE. SO AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT THE LOBBY UNDER UNDER AN AWNING. YOU'VE GOT THE RAMPING GOING UP THE VERTICAL CIRCULATION IN THE CENTER. AND THEN SOME SERVICES DOWN HERE ON THIS SIDE, AND THESE ARE ALL GUEST ROOMS HERE. SO THESE ROOMS JUST DO TWO SIMPLE GEOMETRY. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO INCORPORATE BALCONIES ON THOSE ROOMS. BUT YOU KNOW, 50% OF THE ROOMS DO HAVE BALCONIES ON THE STREET SIDE AS WELL. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION OF IF

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AND YOU'LL SEE HERE. THE CODE DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SHARED PARKING SPACES. SPACES NEEDED DIFFERENT TIMES. INTERNAL CAPTURE PEOPLE STAYING IN HOTEL OR THE SAME PEOPLE EATING AT THE RESTAURANT, UTILIZING THE MARINA. IN A MODEL SPLIT, WHERE PEOPLE WALKING FROM NEARBY RESIDENCES AND BUSINESSES AND RIDE SHARING. UM. BASED ON THE ANALYSIS, PURPOSE PREPARED BY SUSAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT A REQUIRED 64 SPACES. SO WE'RE REQUESTING A REDUCTION OF THE REQUIRED PARKING BASED ON THIS ANALYSIS. SUSAN O'ROURKE IS HERE. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK WITH HER, YOU'D LIKE TO EXPAND ON THAT SUIT. ON THAT. I THINK TO THAT THE ISSUE IS THAT. THE CODE AS AS MIKE WAS SAYING, IS A SINGLE USE KIND OF A SUBURBAN STANDARD, WHICH IS USED THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND. THERE ARE REDUCTIONS BEING PUT IN PLACE NOW TO ACCOUNT FOR ALL THESE, SO BASICALLY, I WOULD SAY THAT THE CODE IS INCORRECT. AND SO WE'RE STARTING WITH A NUMBER THAT'S NOT REFLECTIVE OF THE PRODUCT THAT WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU. AND THE RESEARCH AND DATA ON THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT IS IN SHORT SUPPLY, SO WE ALWAYS HAVE TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THE BODY AND THE INDUSTRY. WHAT WHAT TYPES OF RELATIONSHIPS AND REALLY LOOK AT IT BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN ALL SEE THAT. THAT IT IS ALL INTEGRATED AND THAT THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME DOWN FOR BREAKFAST, THEY'RE NOT GETTING IN A CAR AND DRIVE INTO THE RESTAURANT. THEY'RE COMING DOWN AN ELEVATOR. TAKE THE STAIRS OR WHATEVER IT IS. WE'VE GOT THERE. AND SO THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE. AND IF. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE T TRIP GENERATION FOR A RESORT HOTEL. THE PER ROOM RATE OF ONE PER ROOM ACCOUNTS FOR ALL THE AMENITIES IN THE HOTEL. YOU DON'T SEPARATE THEM OUT, AND SO WE'RE FORCED TO SEPARATE THEM OUT AND THEN. PROVIDE THESE REDUCTIONS TO SHOW. THAT IT ACTUALLY IS MUCH LESS. SO UM, THERE IS A SET OF TABLES, A SERIES OF TABLES THAT SHOW WHAT THE ADJUSTMENTS ARE ON INTERNAL CAPTURE AND SHARING AND WE CAN GET INTO THAT, BUT I THINK INTUITIVELY. YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, AND THE LOGIC BEHIND THE FACT THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK FROM HAR BRIDGE. PEOPLE FROM CAP TECH CAN WALK THERE.

THEY'RE NOT DRIVING A CAR. SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE'VE TAKEN IN, AND WE'VE USED INDUSTRY STANDARDS TO APPLY ON IT. A FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE SIDE. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SPECIFICS, JUST LET ME KNOW. MIGHT GIVE ANY ANYTHING ELSE.

AGAIN THIS IS THE CONDITION THERE WERE REQUESTING YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF OUR PROJECT AND WITH THIS CONDITION THAT WILL SUFFICE AND GIVE US THE FLEXIBILITY TO WORK OUT THE ISSUES WITH THE PARKING. IT ALSO PROTECTS THE CITY IN THE AREA AND IT WILL ENSURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE PART. UNDERSTOOD DEVELOPMENT TEAM. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? FIRE AWAY? OKAY YOU GO FIRST. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE MOM, WAIT FOR YOU. ARE OKAY. MANY STAFF ARE YOU EXPECTING ON THE PROPERTY? I THINK WE WERE ANTICIPATING. WHAT DID I HAD A CALCULATION IN

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UM IF PEOPLE DID COME TO THE HOTEL, THEY COULD RIDE SHARE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF. REDUCTIONS WE'VE GOT THE WATER TAXI THAT COMES DOWN THE STREET. UM WE HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS. THAT.

DON'T HAVE A REAL MATHEMATICAL CALCULATIONS. SO WE'RE TRYING TO APPLY LOGIC AND WHAT STANDARDS WE HAVE TO GET THERE HAVE THEN IS ON THE MARINA SPACES. 13 SPACES. UM. ARE WE LOOKING AT CARS FOR THIS LOOKING? ARE WE? YOU GUYS HAVE ANY BOATS COMING IN? AND THERE BEING NO CARS. IT WAS. THE CONCEPT IS WHAT I'M THINKING OF. I'M TRYING TO THINK TO MYSELF. I'M COMING TO YOUR RESTAURANT AND I'M COMING BY BOAT OR ON BOATING ON THE RIVER AND I WANT TO GO HAVE LUNCH. SO ALL OF THOSE AND LIKELY NOT GOING TO HAVE A CAR. THAT'S CORRECT. WHAT IS YOUR. WHY ARE YOU REQUIRING 13 SPACES FOR THE MARINA WITHIN THE BOAT? THERE ISN'T ANY DROP AND GO, FOR EXAMPLE ON BOAT TRAILERS. IS THERE. ONE A DROP OF TRAILERS.

YOU DROP AND GO ON BOAT TRAILERS DROP AND GO. REALLY BRING YOUR BOAT IN. WE DON'T HAVE A RAMP. NO. SO ANYBODY WHO GETS THERE IS GOING TO BE ACTUALLY ALL ABOUT. COULD YOU COULD CERTAINLY USE THE CITY'S RAMP OR WE ALSO HAVE AN AGREEMENT. WE ALSO NEED ONE.

JUST WE ALSO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH ATLANTIC POINT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THEIR RAMP SERVICES AS WELL. RAJARAM A CORNER AND PARKED TRAILERS. BUT YES, I'M LOOKING TO BE WHY COMING TO THE PROJECT BY WATER HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT. SEE, THAT'S WHAT. WE DEAL WITH AN INDUSTRY STANDARDS AND SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT MARINAS THAT FUNCTION COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OF THE RATE FOR THE MARINA'S DEVELOPED FOR THIS PROJECT. THE SAME, IT WAS WOULD BE FOR MUNICIPAL STAND ALONE. SO THEY'RE ALL LUMPED TOGETHER AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING WHAT IS LOGICAL, AND BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A CIA PARKING ON THE WATERFRONT. WE WANT TO HAVE WE WANT TO MAKE

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AND THEN THEY DIDN'T BREAK IT OUT INTO RESTAURANT, MARINA COUNTY AIRPORT. MAN. HAS NO STANDARDS. FOR WELL, I DON'T GET DOWN THERE BUT I'M SURE YOU GUYS DO. THERE MUST BE SOME FAMOUS. PLACE THAT YOU OKAY? YOU BLEW UP BOOK YOUR HOTEL ROOM. YOU GET YOUR VOTE. THE LAND BEFORE. THANKS OPERATIONS LIKE THAT DOWN THERE, AND THEY CAN HE HAS NO STANDARDS FOR WHAT THEY DO FOR PARKING. WE CAN LOOK INTO THE KEYS. WE'VE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT RATES, BUT.

THERE IS A WATERFRONT FRONT RESORT HOTEL THAT HAS AMENITIES. IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING YOU ALL HAVE IN YOUR CODE, SO. YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO CORRELATE WHAT THE REAL WORLD HAS VERSUS OR. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, LIKE A RESORT HOTEL THAT HAS RESTAURANTS AND MARINAS. MAYBE IT DOESN'T HAVE. YOU KNOW MORE MARINA SLIPS THAN IT DOES HOTELS BUT SOME KIND OF RELATIONSHIP. TYPICALLY IT'S JUST ONE SPACE PER ROOM OR 1.1 SPACE. HER ROOM AND IT ACCOUNTS FOR ALL OF THE AMENITIES. YOU DON'T SEPARATE THEM OUT. I GOT YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING. SO THEY GO BY ROOMS, AND IT ACCOUNTS FOR ALL OF THE AMENITIES A REDUCTION FROM 87 TO 60 64. CORRECT, THAT'S CORRECT. CITY. I THINK IN THE REPORT WE SUBMITTED. I GAVE THE RATE THAT'S USED FOR IF YOU PUT IN RIDESHARE SPACES, UBER SPACES AND WE TOOK THAT OUT. SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WAS IN THE REPORT THAT WENT DOWN TO 52. THE INDUSTRY STANDARD IS FOR EVERYONE SPACE. YOU CAN GET RID OF THREE PARKING SPACES SO THAT'S IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE REPORT. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE 64 INSTEAD OF 52. OKAY NOW, THE OTHER QUESTION. I HAD THEM WITH YOU, MR MCCORD. I WAS LOOKING FOR TOM TO ACTUALLY DO ALL THIS. UM.

ON HERE. THE CHAIR YOU GO LAST TIME, DANIEL. DO IT, OKAY? WHEN I'M CHAIRMAN, I CAN DO IT. NO, THANK YOU. ON THAT. YOU HAVE 50 ON SITE. RIGHT? YES, AND MY MISSING ANY. HIS OFFSITE DOESN'T COME THROUGH. YOU STILL WOULD HAVE TO ACCOUNT TO MAKE UP ANOTHER. 14 13 THAT'S CORRECT. AND YOU'RE JUST GOING TO WING IT UNTIL YOU GET. YEAH WE'RE GONNA FIGURE IT OUT. WE HAVE TO NOT ONLY NOT ONLY TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO MY CLIENTS CAN INVEST $25 MILLION TO BUILD THIS PROJECT. HE'S GOT A HE'S GOT TO MAKE IT PARK AND HE'S GOT TO MAKE IT FUNCTION FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT OF AN INVESTMENT. AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. WHATEVER NUMBER OF THE BOARD SETS, THE CITY WILL NOT ALLOW THEM TO PULL THE PERMIT TO START CONSTRUCTION UNLESS THEY DEMONSTRATE TO THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR THAT NOT ONLY IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS ON SITE, BUT THEY HAVE SOMEHOW SECURED. BALANCE OFFICE. I UNDERSTAND. IT IS SIMPLE. IT'S NOT A MATTER OF WHETHER OR NOT. THIS POINT WHETHER WE ACCEPT TO 64 OR NOT, IT'S THE MATTER OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU EITHER WAY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT APARTMENT, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND, UM. I KNOW THAT YOU CONDITION WHICH YOU'VE PUT AT THE END OF THE PARKING. IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME ONE. I HAD MY PACKET. UM. IN MY PACKET, THERE WOULD BE NO VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION. THAT STUFF RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU HAD ON YOUR SLIDES WERE REQUESTING BY CEO. AND YOU'RE REQUESTING BY CEO. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'M GONNA LET STAND DISCUSS. OR COME UP WITH. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. NO SIR. I WILL. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT WE DO HAVE A LEASE AGREEMENT. FOR THE SPACES WITH CAP TECH FOR 10 SPACES. WE JUST ACQUIRED THAT SO WE HAVE 10 SPACES IN ADDITION TO THE 50 IN THE BUILDING, AND ACTUALLY SIR, COULD I SEE IT? SURE. JOE JUST PASS IT TO THE YOU'LL GIVE UP HIS PERSONAL SPACE. YEAH YEAH,

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THEY DON'T ALL NEED TO DRIVE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY AND THE ONE THING THAT'S THAT THE PEAK TIME WHEN YOU NEED ALL THE SPACES DOESN'T OCCUR NECESSARILY AT THE SAME TIME, AND THAT'S WHAT WHY WE LOOK AT THAT. THE SITE AS A WHOLE THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE ASLEEP AT NIGHT IS WHEN THE HOTEL ROOMS ARE FULL, BUT THE RESTAURANTS WILL BE CLOSED BY THEN. SO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, LIKE THOSE PEOPLE NEED THEM. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE THING. SAME WITH YOUR EMPLOYEES. YOU'LL HAVE A REDUCED STAFF AT THAT TIME. I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH YOUR NUMBER. I JUST THINK THAT WHEN YOU HAVE WEEKENDS WHEN YOU'RE FULL AND THE COMMUNITY YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOSING. COMING.

LOCAL PEOPLE. ABSOLUTELY. CORRECT THE HOTEL ROOM. THEY HAVE PRIORITY OF PARKING SPOT.

I WOULD HOPE AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHAT. ALL GOOD BUSINESSES WANT TO DO THEY WANT TO HAVE WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED, AND THEN THEY WANT TO HAVE CONTINGENCIES FOR THOSE TIMES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY IN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE. SO. SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE. AS WE'RE ON THE PARKING THING. I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO IS CLARIFIED. THE BOAT SLIPS THAT YOU HAVE ARE NOT TODAY, DOC. THAT WERE REFERRED TO EARLIER WHERE PEOPLE PULL UP AND GO TO THE MARINE AND GO TO THE END. STAY IN THE HOTEL AND ALL THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO BE. AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE ON A FIRST COME FIRST BASE FIRST. TIME BASIS IS WHAT YOU SAID. IS THAT CORRECT? WE HAVEN'T COME UP WITH THE EXACT PROGRAMMING OF THE OPERATIONS OF THE MARINA. BUT YES, THE ACTUAL SLIPS THEMSELVES. WOULD BE PAYING CUSTOMERS THE ACTUAL DAY VOTING WOULD BE AROUND THE OUTSIDE OUTSIDE OUTSIDE THE JUST I UP SIDE MORNING ALONG THE SIDE OF YOUR VESSEL, THROW A ROPE AROUND THE CLEAT. PUT OUT A BUMPER. GO HAVE A BEER, RIGHT? SO IF SOMEONE WAS HAD A SLIP THERE. MM. AND THEY WANTED TO GO OUT ON THEIR BOAT. THEY LIVE IN PALM CITY OR WHEREVER THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO FIND A PARKING SPACE. AND GET THEIR STUFF ON THEIR BOAT AND THEN. GO OUT. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PICTURE. YEAH, THAT THAT COULD BE ONE SCENARIO YES AND. YOUR ACCOUNTING FOR 14. PEOPLE BECOME AT ONE TIME TO DO. AND THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS A SHARED PARKING. THING THAT WAS PUT IN THOSE 14 SPACES ARE NOT PART OF THE SHARED PARKING. THEY ARE. I MEAN, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE SHARED PARKING WE LOOK AT WHEN IS THE PEAK DEMAND FOR ALL OF THESE USES AND THAT REDUCED US DOWN. WHATEVER THAT NUMBER WAS. JUST 12 SPACES. SAYING THAT. THEY'RE NOT ALL

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ALL OF THOSE THINGS ON A SUNDAY TO GO TO THE SANDBAR, WHATEVER. YOU'RE DOING THERE OR SATURDAY.

AND SO. I JUST DON'T PERSONALLY. I DON'T SEE HOW THAT FITS INTO THE SHARED PARKING PART. I GET IT 100. WITH THE HOTEL AND THE RESTAURANT AND ALL THAT. THE SHARED PARKING THAT GOES THERE.

I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND. HOW YOU CAN DO THAT WITH THE MARINA IN MY LAST QUESTION ABOUT THAT IS ARE THERE LIVE ABOARDS ALSO NO LIVER BOARD. OKAY? THEN THAT ISN'T QUITE. KEEP WOMEN ONE. OH I'M FRANK'S QUESTION BECAUSE HE'S REALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I GUESS I DIDN'T GET THE MARINA. UM. PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS SCRAMBLING FOR PLACES WITH THEIR VOTES. IF YOU TAKE ALL THE SPACES AND YOU HAVE IN THE MARINA 46 49 49. IT'S JUST THAT COUNT THE OUTSIDE. NO DROP INS.

NO. AND I REALLY EATING IN STEWART HAD THIS FEELING THAT. FRANK'S HIT UPON THE THING.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LEASE THOSE SPACES IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO LEASE THOSE SPACES. AND THEY ARE GOING TO ARRIVE BY CAR. IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS STANDARD CODE PENDANT, THE STANDARD THAT YOU SAID. FOR HOW MANY SPACES YOU WILL LEASE. WELL, THE CODES REMEMBER THE CODE ONLY REQUIRES 10 SPACES FOR THE ENTIRE MARINA. AS IT'S AS IT'S WRITTEN IN THE CODE. 10 SPACES 13 YEARS. THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW. PEOPLE THAT PUT A BOAT IN A MARINA, AND THEY GO TO THAT BOAT, MAYBE ONCE A MONTH. THEY'RE NOT. IT'S NOT EVERYBODY RUNNING AT ONCE TO GO GET ON THEIR BOAT, SO THINK THAT'S WHAT. SUSAN IS SAYING IS THAT THERE'S DIFFERENT PEAK TIMES OF DEMAND. THAT'S WHY THERE'S NOT 39. I JUST DON'T WANT TO.

HEADING ON THIS SITE. THAT'S NOT GONNA SEE YOU. FRANK'S RIGHT. I MEAN, YOU GOT 13 SPACES FOR 49 SLIPS. FEW POLICE OUT 49 SLIP. OKAY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 13 PEOPLE ARRIVED BY CAR.

UM NOW, IF YOU HOLD THOSE SLIPS. AND ONLY HOW MANY ARE YOU REQUIRED TO DO? BODY BY YOUR SUB THAT MURDERBALL LEASE. ALL THE ALL THE SLIPS HAVE TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, SO. YOU KNOW, WE ANTICIPATE A CERTAIN PROGRAMMING OF THAT MARINA. WILL BE USED FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY STAYING IN THE HOTEL THAT ARE COMING DOWN AND BRINGING THEIR YACHT FROM THE NORTHEAST FOR THE SAILFISH SEASON, AND THEY'RE GOING TO PARK THEIR BOAT THERE. IN THE MARINA, AND THEY'LL ALSO BE STAYING IN THE HOTEL. OKAY I UNDERSTAND THAT CONCEPT POINT.

THE OTHER CONCEPTS I'VE GOT IN MY HEAD IS VISION I HAVE IN MY IS THAT. IF YOU ALLOW ALL 49 SPACES TO BE RELEASED. AS YOU KNOW. HONEST GIVEN WEEKEND YOU HAVE MORE THAN 13 CARS. PILED UP TO USE THEIR BUT WHICH WHICH SEEMS TO ME, SUSAN I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN MITIGATE THAT 13.

MARINA. IF. WELL I SAID, YOU KNOW ANYTHING THAT MITIGATES AT LEAST THAT THOSE 13 SPACES. IS SOME KIND OF CAP ON THE LEASING OF THIS. WELL, I THINK IF YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT TO LIKE.

THAT WE'RE BREAKING IT UP AND ACTING LIKE THEY OPERATE SEPARATELY. SO WE HAVE A FINITE.

BUILDING WE HAVE A FINITE NUMBER OF ROOMS, A FINITE NUMBER OF SEATS, SO THE RESTAURANT. CAN'T BE FILLED WITH ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF LIKE. THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. IS. NON EXISTENT, RIGHT WE WERE WE KNOW THAT. SO YOU KNOW IF THE CONCERN IS THAT PEOPLE ARE THE NUMBERS. THE INDUCT INDUST INDUSTRY DATA ON MARINAS IS PRETTY GOOD. THAT. THE FIVE SLIP THE FIGHT THE ONE SPACE FOR FIVE SLIPS THAT ACCOUNTS UPSIDE FROM FOURTH OF JULY AND MEMORIAL DAY WHEN YOU KNOW? PEOPLE WANT TO USE THEIR BOATS.

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I WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY IF IT'S LEAST OR OKAY. OKAY, FRANK. I'LL GIVE IT UP. I MEAN, NO TIME. I'LL GIVE IT UP. OKAY, SO. JUST WANT TO WAIT. DICK GO RIGHT AHEAD DOWN. YEAH SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM AND I PROBABLY HAVE. I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, THE CONCEPT OF THIS PROJECT. I REALLY LIKE I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET PALM STREET. IT'S A GREAT CONCEPT. I GREW UP IN THE KEYS, FRIENDS IN THE KEYS THAT TRY TO COME UP WITH THEIR BOAT, AND THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO STAY LIKE. I'M YOUR GUY FOR THIS PROJECT. THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS. I PROBABLY HAVE A LITTLE MORE FAITH IN THE MARKET WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING. IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR YOU GUYS. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PLAY NICE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS. YOU KNOW, I LIKE THAT. THIS IS ALL UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP. SO THIS ISN'T A CONDO PROJECT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ROUNDING UP. YOU KNOW 51 RESIDENCES TO GET A QUORUM TO GET A VOTE TO SAY THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE IT. IF THE CITY HAS AN ISSUE THERE'S GOING TO BE A GUY ON THE COURT GAL ON THE OTHER END OF THE LINE THAT SAYS. THAT? YES THAT'S THAT CODE NOTIFICATION OR GETS THAT ISSUE AND DEALS WITH IT. SO UM, YOU KNOW, ID.

I'LL, YOU KNOW I STILL HAVE AN ISSUE AT THE PARKING SO I'M. MICHAEL I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT, UM WHAT. THERE'S WATER MAIN THAT IS RUNNING UNDERNEATH THIS EASEMENT AREA FOR THIS RIGHT AWAY. YOU KNOW HOW BIG. WE KNOW HOW BIG WATER MAIN IS. DO WE KNOW WHAT IT'S SERVING? DO WE KNOW? UNDERSTAND THIS WAS A FAIRLY SHORT, YOU KNOW. KIND OF LAST MINUTE MONKEY WRENCH, THINGS DID ASK THE APPLICANT TO CONTACT PUBLIC WORKS TO FIGURE OUT ALL THAT. ISSUES WITH THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY FIND OUT HOW WHAT THE DIMENSIONS OF THE MAIN WELL YEAH, WE REACHED OUT TO HIM. WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM MARK. OKAY BECAUSE WHEN I SAW YOU KNOW, IN MY PACKAGE, THERE WAS THERE WAS AN OFFSITE PARKING SPOT. YOU KNOW, AN OFFSITE PARKING AREA. IT MADE SENSE. THERE'S YOU KNOW, IT'S ACCESSIBLE BY VALET WHEN YOU AND I TALKED, IT'S MY CONCERN IS PUTTING, YOU KNOW. HAVING A LEASE AGREEMENT THAT SAYS WE HAVE PARKING AND YOU KNOW. IN ABOUT TWO DOESN'T DO YOU ANY PRACTICAL. GOOD SO I THINK THAT'S OFF SITE PARKING ARRANGEMENT NEEDS TO BE GEOGRAPHICALLY. REASONABLE TO THIS SITE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. THAT OFF SITE. YEP. IT ALSO ABANDONED IT ON THE NORTH OF THAT THE TALK HOUSE. OR. I MEAN, IF WE BE HERE TODAY, AND THAT WOULD BE THE PLAN AND YOU KNOW WHEN THAT WAS PART OF THIS PD, THEN THEN IT BE A NO BRAINER. IT'S WITHIN, YOU KNOW. WITHIN A REASONABLE WALK LIKE I WOULD PARK THERE AND WALK TO THIS. UH HUH. SO YOU KNOW THAT BEING THAT ISSUE, THE OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S. BEEN CHANGES TO THE HEART BRIDGE CONDO ASSOCIATION OVER THE YEARS AS KIND OF A YOU KNOW, A RESULT OF TRYING TO

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SO. MM MM. YOU KNOW, RELATIVE TO THAT, AND NO. I DID HEAR FROM PAUL AND NO. SORRY, ROBIN.

ROBIN. UM YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S. IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING WHEN A DEVELOPER REACHES OUT TO IT TO HIS NEIGHBORS, THEIR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, GETTING OUT AHEAD OF ISSUES BEFORE IT HAS TO COME BEFORE BOARD IS THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THESE THINGS NOW. THAT'S A TWO WAY STREET. IF THERE WASN'T ANY, YOU KNOW IF THERE WASN'T ANY RESPONSE TO YOUR REQUEST FOR MEETING THAN YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A NEIGHBORLY WAY TO HANDLE THAT. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD ON YOUR PROPERTY SOMETHING AT SOME LEVEL AND YOU KNOW, BY REACHING OUT. IN MY OPINION, THEY'VE YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE COVERED YOUR BASE AND YOU'VE DONE WHAT YOUR NEIGHBORLY DUTY IS. UM, AND TO CLARIFY A COUPLE MORE POINTS TO THE BOARDWALK AT EIGHT FT. THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE CURRENT BOARDWALK THAT GOES THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE HARBOR AGE AND THAT WILL CONNECT WITHOUT ANY KIND OF OBSTRUCTION. YOU KNOW ALL THE WAY THROUGH. THAT'S CORRECT, AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO TIE IN THE SEA WALLS AT THE OKAY. TWO ENDS OF THE PROPERTY, SO IT'LL BE YOU KNOW, DP REQUIRED. THE SEA WALLS TIE INTO ONE ANOTHER COOKING SOUP. UM. THE HEIGHT OF YOUR BUILDING RELATIVE TO SAY A CAP TECH BUILDING. UM I MEAN, IT SEEMS SIMILAR FROM THE DRAWINGS AND THE RENDERINGS. IS THERE ANY KIND OF, UM HAVE WE LOOKED AT LIKE WHAT THE HEIGHT OF A CAPTAIN BUILDING IS OR SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS THERE. I KNOW THEY'RE ALL FOUR STORIES. WE DID OUR BEST TO FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT COMES INTO PLAY LIKE WHERE DID THEY BEGIN FROM? WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BEGIN FROM BUT WITHOUT THEIR FULL DEVELOPMENT PACKAGE, WHICH REALLY HARD TO TELL. WE KNOW WHAT THE CODE SAYS. AND WE'VE YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE TO WHAT THE CODE SAYS THAT WE CAN DO. AND THEY'RE SIMILAR. WE BELIEVE WE'RE VERY CLOSE.

BUT I COULDN'T TELL YOU 100% OR EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE. WE'RE WE'VE DONE THREE D MODELING. IN THE LAST PRESENTATION. WE SHOWED SOME OF THOSE IMAGES AND WE BELIEVE WE'RE RIGHT THERE WITH HIM. BUT I JUST I JUST DON'T HAVE THEIR FULL DRAWING SETS FOR BOTH OF THOSE BUILDINGS TO OUR NORTH AND SOUTH. CANAL FOR ONE MORE THING. SURE, FACT PARKING. I JUST WANT TO PUT IT OUT THERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE NUMBERS. HOTELS DO NOT OPERATE ON 100% CAPACITY, DID YOU NOT? THE HOTEL AT 85% CAPACITY IS A REALLY HAPPY HOTEL OPERATOR, AND MOST OF THEM ARE IN THAT 60 TO 80% RANGE. SO WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THESE NUMBERS, KEEP THAT IN MIND. OKAY? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, TOO. UM, NO, I. MR CHAIRMAN, DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION SO WE CANNOT GET PUBLIC COMMENTS DISCUSSION YET? OKAY WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEN WE CAN. YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO GET A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO. OKAY, BUT NOT QUITE YET. I STILL NEED TO ASK MY QUESTION. OKAY. CAN I ASK ONE QUICK, QUICK. IDEAS BILL. GO UM, HOW MANY PROPOSED PARKING SPOTS FOR THAT SPACE? THERE MUST HAVE SOME. I DO WELL AGAIN. THAT'S THAT CONCEPT. THAT SITE PLAN THAT IS THAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE SCREEN. THAT WAS OUR INITIAL SUBMITTAL THAT WAS MADE ON AUGUST 15TH THAT CONTEMPLATED A TWO WAY DRIVE I'LL WITH I BELIEVE IT WAS 48 PARKING SPACES. BUT WE DID HAVE, UM, ONLY A 3.5 FT LANDSCAPE BUFFER. OKAY AND STAFF. UM REVIEWED IT, AND THEY ALSO HAVE SOME CHANGES THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT LAYOUT. POSSIBLY A ONE WAY WITH 60 DEGREES, SO WE'RE GOING TO LOSE PARKING THERE AND THEN WITH THIS WATER MAIN ISSUE AND HOW WE DEAL WITH THIS RIGHT OF WAY. WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ARE YOU THINKING HALF OF THIS 24 I'M SORRY, MA'AM, I THINK IT GET IN THERE, AND IT DOES. YOU'RE. I THINK IT WILL BE CLOSER TO 40.

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WELL WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. OVERNIGHT BUT WHAT I'VE BEEN PRETTY MUCH FISH TO GET IT TO THE OPERATION OF THE RESTAURANT. WELL OKAY, SO IT'S RESTAURANT HOURS IS THAT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK? YEAH PLUS PLUS WEEKENDS. THEY HAVE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. YES, BUT. NO IT'S SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW THE WEEKENDS THEY HAVE USE OF THE SPACES. THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE WEEKEND. OKAY? WE DON'T RESTRICT THE WEEKEND. CAUSE. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT AND IS THAT I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE AGREEMENT. SO WE COULD MAKE THAT A CONDITION WITHOUT HAVING A PROBLEM. CAPTAIN YOU ARE? YEAH. JUST ONE COMMENT ON THAT.

WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR HAPTIC AS THEY USE. WE'D ALSO LOOK AT.

I'VE GOT SOME DISCREPANCY WITH THE. THE PARKING ANALYSIS AND THE PEAK TIMES. OKAY LET ME FINISH WITH JOE. AND THEN YEAH. OKAY DO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU RIGHT NOW, JOE. AND THAT WOULD BE VALET CORRECT, MIKE. HIS SPACES ARE VALET SPACES. OKAY? ALL RIGHT, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL MY QUESTIONS WERE ABOUT ANSWERED. I FEEL A LOT BETTER WITH THIS ONE THAT I DID THE LAST ONE. I'M STILL GOT A LITTLE PROBLEM, BUT WE'LL DISCUSS THAT AMONGST US. THERE'S NOTHING MORE YOU COULD ADD TO US. CAB DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? YEAH SUSAN ON ON THE REPORT THAT I SAW LAST, IT SHOWED TWO PETE PERIODS, ONE DURING THE WEEKDAY AT LUNCHTIME. AND THE WEEKEND AFTER SIX PM THAT'S CORRECT. SO AND. WE WE USE THE SHARE PARKING DEVELOP A RATE NOT NECESSARILY THE TIMES BECAUSE IF THIS THAT PARTICULAR. YOU KNOW AGAIN, WE'RE USING IT INDUSTRY RATE THAT GOES HOUR BY HOUR, AND IT SHUTS SHOWS THE LUNCHTIME. IS THE PEAK. BUT. THIS I THINK MOST OF YOU ALL ARE THINKING THIS IS. AS HE WAS SAYING IT HAPPY HOUR NIGHTTIME THINGS SO YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THE NUMBER TO BE. IN THE RIGHT PLACE, BUT THAT IT MIGHT BE AT A DIFFERENT TIME. NOTHING ELSE DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION OFF? I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DISCUSSION. I HAVE A SEC. BACK NEXT SECOND. OKAY? I THINK WE'LL THINK PUBLIC COMMENT. I HAVE ONE CAUGHT ANYBODY ELSE.

OKAY. LAUREN CAROL. GOOD AFTERNOON BOARD MEMBERS. MY NAME IS LAUREN. CAROL I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH ROSS. EARL BONIN AND ANSWER HERE IN STUART. OUR ADDRESS IS 7 89 SOUTH FEDERAL HIGHWAY SUITE ONE ON ONE RIGHT HERE IN STUART. AND WE REPRESENT THE HARVARD YACHT MASTER ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED. I'M HERE TODAY TO PUT THE ASSOCIATION'S OBJECTION TO THIS PROJECT ON THE RECORD AS WELL AS REQUESTED THIS BOARD REJECT THE APPLICATION. AS SUBMITTED, AS YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING, AMONG OTHER THINGS, VARIANCES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO FIRST HAVE 50 PARKING SPACES WITHIN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE. AND TO ACCOMMODATE THE REQUIRED VISTA WITHIN THE ELEVATION AND STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING. THE APPLICANT ALSO PROPOSES AN ADDITIONAL 40 PARKING SPACES TO BE PROVIDED OFF SITE THE DETAILS AND PLANS FOR WHICH ARE TO BE DETERMINED AT A LATER

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FOUR BRUSHED BY PASSING VEHICLES. SO ADDING PARKING FOR SPORT FISH MARINA, WHICH IS JUST SOUTH OF HAR BRIDGE, BY USING A LOT TO THE NORTH OF HAR BRIDGE WILL ONLY CREATE MORE TRAFFIC THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. EXACERBATING A YEARS LONG PROBLEM. THIS TRAFFIC BEING BOTH BY VEHICLE AND BY FOOT. IF THE OFFSITE PARKING WERE TO BE LOCATED ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS, WHICH, AS WE HEARD TODAY, IT IS. HOW WOULD PATRONS CROSSOVER? WHAT THEY WALK WITH THEIR BE A TRAM? WOULD THERE BE LA? WE'VE HEARD THAT THERE'S A REQUEST FOR VALET OR THEIR SUGGESTION THAT BALLET MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FOR SURE. IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION. THESE ARE ALL QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMUNITY AND THIS BOARD DON'T HAVE CONCRETE ANSWERS TO AND THE ASSOCIATION AS AN ENTITY WHOSE MEMBERS WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS DECISION EVERY DAY. ASKED THAT THIS BOARD DENIED THE APPLICATION AND REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT A DETAILED SITE PLAN FOR THIS OFF SITE PARKING. AS THE APPLICANT INDICATED TO YOU TODAY, THE PARKING SITUATION IS UNCERTAIN.

AND THE SPORTS IN APPROVE AN APPLICATION ON OFF SITE PARKING. THAT IS, IN FACT, UNCERTAIN. FINALLY THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THAT THIS BOARD APPROVED AND FORD ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 64-2020 21 TO THE CITY COMMISSION, WHICH CONTAINS THE FOLLOWING RECITAL.

AND I QUOTE. WHEREAS THE SPORT FISH MARINA UPU DE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE IN HARMONY WAS SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND THEIR ANTICIPATED DEVELOPMENT. AS PRESENTED AND PROPOSED TO THIS BOARD TODAY. THE SPORT FISH MARINA, U P U D IS NOT IN HARMONY WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY HARBORED YACHT MASTER ASSOCIATION AND ITS NINE SEVERAL CONDOMINIUM BUILDINGS. WHICH CONTAIN APPROXIMATELY 130 UNITS, AND 250 STEWART RESIDENTS. A DECISION BY THIS BOARD IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE AN UNINFORMED ONE WOULD BE CONTRARY TO THE TENANTS OF THE CITY. LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THANK YOU, LORD. THANK YOU. OR ANYONE ELSE. PORT COME UP AND SPEAK. I'M A RESIDENT. MY PALM, ONLY I'M A RESIDENT AT THE HARBOR RIDGE AND, UM. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE ATTORNEY JUST SPOKE. BUT I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT I WALKED BY THAT PROPERTY EVERY DAY. IT'S NOTHING BUT AN EYE SORE. IT'S THE LAPID ATED.

THERE'S RATS LIVING IN IT. IT'S ONE STEP AWAY FROM HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVING THERE. OKAY I DON'T LIKE IT WHEN I WALKED BY THERE EVERY DAY, SO. IN REFERENCE TO THE PROJECT THAT'S COMING UP. WE. WE'RE EXCITED WHEN WE SAW THE SIGN GO UP, AND I CALLED MIKE AND HE GAVE US A PRESENTATION AND TOLD US EVERYTHING WE DID HAVE CONCERNS WE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING.

I SEE THAT THE MARKING CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED THERE IN THE P U D. THEY CAN'T GET A CEO WITHOUT THE PARKING. UM BEING ESTABLISHED SO THEREFORE, AS A RESIDENT, MY WIFE AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT PROJECT HAPPENS. THANK YOU, PAUL. TOM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF NOT AT ALL THAT'S OVER, OKAY? NO POOL. I'M OKAY. UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMEDY? SEE NONE.

IT COMES BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DELIBERATION. MR CHAIRMAN, I HAVE ONE. ONE THING I HAVE TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT. ARE IT'S AN EXPORT A. I DID SPEAK WITH DEBORAH ROSS OF THE THEIR ATTORNEY'S FIRM. AND SO SHE CALLED ON THIS MATTER SHORT SHORT AND I HAD SLIPPED MY MIND BECAUSE IT WAS VERY SHORT CONVERSATION. AND, UM. OKAY BUT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD ON THE RIGHT. NO, I WANT YOU KNOW I HAVE TO BRING IT UP BECAUSE IT OCCURRED. AND FRANK, IT'S FINE.

YOU PUT IT ON THE RIGHT CAN STILL I'M STILL OKAY. I DIDN'T SAY IT. AT THE BEGINNING. I

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QUESTION THEY HAD WELL WHEN WE APPROVE THE WAY THIS IS WHAT LANGUAGE WILL THERE BE IN THERE, TOO? MAKE SURE THAT THE PARKING HAPPENS AS IT SHOULD. IS IT IN THERE ALREADY? THERE IS A CONDITION IN THERE NOW WHICH, UM. PROVIDES THAT THE APPLICANT SECURES 40. OFF SITE PLUS ON 40 OFFSITE PARKING STALLS ON PROPERTY THAT THEY CONTROL. PRIOR TO ANY VERTICAL PERMITS ARE BEING ISSUED ON THE SITE. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THAT THAT'D BE CHANGED WITH THE CONDITION THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU ON THE SCREEN SAID THAT AGAIN, ARE WE ARE WE DOING THE CONDITIONS TO THE BALLS AS PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DISCUSSION? OKAY I'M UNDER DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE, ACTUALLY. SO WHAT? WE'VE GOT ANY DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. IS STAFF WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL YES. VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION. YES UH AND 40 SPACES AND FORTIES FACES. YES. WHAT DO WE LOOK AT NOW? I'M VERY CONVINCED BY SUSAN AND SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT THIS. TRYING TOGETHER OF ALL THREE USES AND. THE SPILLOVER STUFF ON TO EACH OTHER. THAT THE ONE AFTER ANOTHER AFTER ANOTHER UP TO THE 87, IS IT? YEAH, SOMETHING 87 P. YEAH. OKAY, 87. AH! IS PROBABLY HIGHER THAN THEY NEED. WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU WERE YOU LOOKING TO MAKE SOME ACCOMMODATION? WELL, THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD TO DECIDE THE BOAT SHOULD DETERMINE WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF PARKING STORES REQUIRED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. THEN THE BOARD SHOULD RIGHT NOW. WHAT WAS OPERATION AND THE BOARD SHOULD ALSO DETERMINE THE BEST MECHANISM TO SECURE THAT PRIOR TO OCCUPANCY OF THE BUILDING SO STREET ZONING WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO GO IN UNDER STREET ZONING AND BUILD CERTAIN THINGS THERE. AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH PARKING SETBACKS, ETCETERA, AND THEY COULD DO THAT WITHOUT COMING BEFORE THE BOARD WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS APPLICANT IS SEEKING. IS A DEVIATION FROM THE CODE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO PUT PARKING UNDER THE BUILDING BECAUSE OUR CODE PROHIBITS THAT ANOTHER THING THAT THIS APPLICANT IS SEEKING IS A DEVIATION FROM THE CODE AS IT RELATES TO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. SO JUST AS THE BOARD IS CONTEMPLATING GRANTING AND DEVIATION FOR PARKING UNDER THE BUILDING, THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO CONTEMPLATE OR CONSIDER DEVIATING FROM THE TOTAL NUMBER BASED UPON THE EVIDENCE THEY'VE PRESENTED. AND THE, UH, BENEFIT OF THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSING AND DELIBERATING AND DETERMINE WHAT'S THE BEST THING SO NOT ALL OVER THE PLACE. THEY HAD THREE REQUESTS MIGHT JUST PUT THEM BACK UP. LET'S DISCUSS ONE AT A TIME AND SEE WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE THEM. FIRST ONE IS TO ALLOW PARKING WITHIN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE.

DOES ANYONE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT? NO BUT I DO HAVE A COMMENT. I DO HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT. AND IT WAS BASED ON HIS QUESTION ABOUT WHEN DID THAT COME ABOUT? THAT THAT WAS A SPECIAL THING. APPARENTLY NO WAS WAY BEFORE THAT, BECAUSE WHEN WANI CAME IN AND GAVE HIS PRESENTATIONS, HE HAD A SPECIFIC NAME FOR THOSE TYPES OF BUILDINGS. AND IT WAS CALLED THE DING BACK. AND THIS WAS BACK IN THE 19 NINETIES THAT THAT PARTICULAR THING CAME INTO THE INTO THE CODE JUST. JUST JUST A POINT THAT YOU KNOW WE'RE GETTING KIND OF LATE IN THE TOOTH AND WE HAVE OTHER THINGS ON. SO I'D LIKE TO KEEP THIS MOVING. DOES ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ALLOWING IT WITHIN THE BUILDING OF. IF THE ANSWER IS NO, I'M GOING TO ASK THE MOTION OR. WHETHER WE CAN PUT THAT WHETHER WE CAN ACCEPT THAT AS A CONDITION. I BELIEVE THE MOTION WAS FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT THIS IS WHICH INCLUDES THAT INCLUDES THAT INCLUDES THAT INCLUDES THE RIGHT AS WELL, OKAY, DOES ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE VISUAL COURT OF THIS? NO. I HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THAT. SORRY, MR CHAIR. THE VISTA.

WHAT'S THE DISTANCE BETWEEN? THE ROAD AND THE TOP OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE THERE. MY

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I'M SURE EVERYONE HERE DOES FEEL DIFFERENTLY. BUT I'M GOING TO REQUEST THAT WE BRING THIS COME BACK TO A DATE CERTAIN WHENEVER MIKE DECIDES HE NEEDS TO GET HIS LEASE FOR THE FOR THE REST OF THE PARKING SPACES, AND THAT IT'S SPELLED OUT. OKAY, LET ME MR CHAIRMAN. CAN GO GO AHEAD. I LOVE IT. WHEN YOU TAKE CHARGE TO HURT. SHE USED TO DO THAT ALL THE TIME.

MM CONFUSING CONFUSING ME WITH SOUP. YEAH, YOU'RE GETTING THERE. UM. I AGREE WITH MOST OF YOUR SENTIMENT ON IT, UH I WOULD. I THINK THERE'S BEEN A REAL SOLID ARGUMENT MADE HERE.

THAT THE 87 SPACES THAT I HAVE IN MY PACKET. ARE NOT ACCURATE COMPARED TO A COMBINED YOUTH, OKAY? AND I THINK WE NEED STAFF. TO TAKE A GOOD HARD LOOK. SUSAN'S NUMBERS I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SPACES REGARDLESS. OF WHAT YOU DO. I MEAN, YOU GET 51. YOU'VE GOT 10 FROM. FROM JOE. UH YOU'RE STILL SHORT OF YOUR 64, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU DO.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK WITH WITH MORE SPACES, AND I'M PERFECTLY ALL RIGHT WITH APPROVING. A NO VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION. IF THAT'S WHAT YOUR STAFF IS HAPPY WITH. AS OPPOSED TO THERE'S WHICH IS CEO. I BELIEVE. UH I'LL GO ALONG WITH STAFF. I MEAN, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. BUT. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HAD A RECOMMENDATION IN LIGHT OF THE PARKING STUDY. OF WHAT IS REASONABLE. IS 64 THE RIGHT NUMBER. IS IT THE WRONG NUMBER? HOW TO STAFF FEEL ABOUT IT. I DON'T WANT I DO NOT WANT TO PUT. 87 SPACES IN THERE, AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT 64 SPACES IN THERE WITHOUT INPUT FROM STAFF. YEAH, IF THAT REQUIRES BRINGING IT BACK. I'M NOT CONCERNED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CUT THEIR OWN THROATS BY. HAVING SPACES ACROSS THE BRIDGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE SILLY, BUT, UM. I DO THINK TOM'S REAGAN'S BASIC QUESTION. WE NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF STAFF INPUT. AND HOW MANY SPACES DO THESE GUYS HAVE TO FIND? IN LIGHT OF THE PARKING STUDY AND THE

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NOT GONE DOWN THIS FOR IN TERMS OF SHARED PARKING, SO I'M I'M NOT SURE COMFORTABLE COMMISSION WOULD BE WITH HIS REDUCING THAT. PERCENTAGE OF REQUIRED PARKING. I UNDERSTAND IT. I SUPPORT THE ANALYSIS OF USE FOR SHARED PARKING AND WE'VE USED THIS. ALL OVER THE CITY. UM AND THE NORMAL WAY OF DOING IT WOULD BE TO LOOK AT THE PEAK REQUIREMENT OF THESE AND. A PORTION THE SPACES ACCORDINGLY. SO IN IN THAT REPORT, IT SHOWED 71 BEING THE PEAK. THEN YOU WERE COMFORTABLE WITH SAYING 71 IS A NUMBER THAT YOU AS STAFF DIRECTOR CAN SUPPORT I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE IN, UH. ACTUALLY USING OTHER ANALYSIS TO SUPPORT THAT AND OTHER. APPROVALS TO DETERMINE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE CORRECT THING TO TAKE TO THE COMMISSION. YES, OKAY, THEN I WOULD SUPPORT I'M LET ME LET ME ASK THE QUESTION I WOULD SUPPORT AT THE MOTION WITH THE CHANGE FROM 64 TO 71 IF THAT IS STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. UM. 64 ISN'T STAFF RECOMMENDATION? NO, I UNDERSTAND RIGHT 71 LEVEL I UNDERSTAND INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF 87 71, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THEIR LOGIC IS HAS BEEN YEAH, I THINK IT'S BEEN REASONABLE, BASICALLY. UH THAT IT SHOULD BE LOWER THAN THAT, AND WE OUGHT TO HAVE. SOME KIND OF INFORMATION FROM MONROE COUNTY. WHAT'S THE HOW THE HELL THEY DO THEIR MARINAS AND THEIR HOTEL ROOMS? UH BUT THE OTHER QUESTION THEY HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. YEAH. THEY COME UP WITH SPACES. UM A NEW FEEL. NEVER MIND. NEVER MIND. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO CHANGE IT IF WE PASS, WHATEVER. BUT THAT'S WHERE I STAND QUICK. I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT THE 71. WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND THE VERTICAL TO GET IT PASSED. UM. BECAUSE I SEE IF THEY HAVE TO FIND PARKING THAT'S FURTHER AWAY. I SEE THAT AS THEIR PROBLEM TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO EITHER COMMUNITY BALLET. THAT'S NOT OUR ISSUE. THAT'S THEIR ISSUE. I SUPPORT THE 71. AND BUT WITH VERTICAL. OKAY OKAY. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD APPROVE PROJECTS THAT AREN'T 100% COMPLETELY. I HAD KNOWING WHEN WHERE THOSE OTHER SPACES ARE COMING FROM. WE DON'T KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE PROJECT.

IF I CAME TO YOU AND SAID I'M DOING I'M PUTTING TOGETHER THREE PARCELS, BUT I ONLY HAVE TWO. NOW I'M WORKING ON THE THIRD. CAN YOU APPROVE THIS PROJECT? AND. I I'M JUST HESITANT TO DO THESE THINGS, AND I THINK IT DOES A DISSERVICE TO THE COMMISSION TO PUSH THINGS UP WITHOUT HAVING EVERYTHING BUT I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY WHO SAID THAT? SO I'M GOING TO ASK. THAT WE WILL MOTION HER. TAKE THE SET. TAKE THE 71 SPACES. PERHAPS SOME OTHER THINGS I WANT. WELL I JUST WOULD ALL FEEL OKAY. I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD. COUPLE OF SO.

MIKE MORTELL TOUCHED ON THIS, YOU KNOW, INHERENTLY AS A LANDOWNER, YOU'VE GOT RIGHTS AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THINGS. AND SO THE VARIANTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE TODAY IS, YOU KNOW, BUILDING WITHIN A BUILDING. SO MODIFYING THE VISUAL CORRIDOR VISTA THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AS DESIGNED. AND YOU KNOW SOME DEBATE ABOUT HOW MANY PARKING SPACES THE. TO TOM'S POINT. IF THIS WAS A STRAIGHT ZONING DEAL, OR LIKE TO ADDRESS YOUR POINT, THIS WAS A STRAIGHT ZONING DEAL. WE'D NEVER SEE IT. SO I AGREE THAT LIKE. HAVING SOMETHING BROUGHT TO THIS BOARD THAT IS NOT COMPLETE IS NOT GOOD PRACTICE. AND YOU KNOW IF MIKE SUBMITTED A SIGHTLINE APPLICATION FOR THE OFFSITE PROJECT, YOU KNOW FOR THE OFF SITE. PARKING LOT A MONTH AGO, YOU KNOW, IS THAT ENOUGH TIME FOR STAFF TO REVIEW IT AND GET ALL THE COMMENTS BACK AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT PART OF THIS PACKAGE. I MEAN, I WOULD HAVE,

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I'M ALSO CURIOUS HOW THE. YOU KNOW IF THERE WAS A VOTE THROUGH THE ENTIRE HAR BRIDGE AND EVERY RESIDENT GOT TO CAST A VOTE RELATIVE TO SUPPORTING HER DENYING THIS PROJECT OR IF THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE. I HAVEN'T BEEN I HAVEN'T SEEN ENOUGH TO SAY THAT.

THERE'S 250 PEOPLE THAT LIVED THERE THAT ARE OBJECTING TO IT. ONE OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKER HERE THAT LIVES THEIR LIVES IN THE HEART BRIDGE WAS IN FAVOR OF IT. SO I GUESS WHAT? I'M.

ASKING IS THAT IF STAFF IS GOING TO PUT WEIGHT ON AN ATTORNEY'S OBJECTION TO THIS, THAT THERE BE SOME SORT OF MINUTES FROM THE. RECORD OF THE CONDO ASSOCIATION SAYING THAT YOU KNOW, WE AS THE CONDO ASSOCIATION HAVE VOTED, YOU KNOW, AND WHERE THE YAYS AND WHERE THE NAYS. AS FAR AS CONDITIONS OR, YOU KNOW OTHER ITEMS RELATIVE TO THIS SPECIFIC UM APPLICATION. I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS SO THE PARKING LOT NEEDS TO BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE CEO LIKE HAVING AN ARRANGEMENT. TO YOU KNOW, ONE DAY BUILD SOMETHING SOMEWHERE DOESN'T FUNK NEAR DOESN'T. PAST THE, YOU KNOW APPLICATION OF MAKING IT. DOESN'T PASS THE TEST. I ALSO THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE WITHIN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FEET OF THE PROJECT.

SO TO TOM'S POINT, YOU CAN'T GO FIND PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE. UM THE PART THAT IS THAT THE SITE HAS PROPOSED WITH 600 FT AWAY. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE STRETCH. UM I THINK IT SHOULD BE MEASURED BY YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN. WALKING SO LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE A SCENARIO WHERE YOU KNOW, LIKE THE PARKING LOT THAT'S ADJACENT TO BARBECUE PLAZA IS TECHNICALLY OWNED BY THE HARBOR RIDGE AND YOU KNOW SUPPOSED TO FUNCTION AS SOME SORT OF OVERFLOW PARKING. BUT THE PRACTICALITY IS THAT IT NEVER ENDS UP GETTING USED BECAUSE IT'S JUST TOO FAR AWAY. UM BUT YOU KNOW? I AM DISAPPOINTED TO SEE THIS COME FORWARD WITHOUT A COMPLETE PACKAGE WITHOUT THERE BEING YOU KNOW THIS OFF SITE PARKING LOT, AGREED TO AND SET IN STONE AND FIGURED OUT UM. BUT I DO SUPPORT THE CONCEPT AND I DO SUPPORT THE IDEA AND IF WE CAN AGREE ON A. REQUIRED DISTANCE THAT THAT OFF SITE PARKING B.

IF WE CAN AGREE THAT IT BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO CEO, SO THERE'S PARKING LOTS ARE IN THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE IN PLACE. I ALSO THINK THAT. STAFF NEEDS TO REVIEW AND COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF REQUIREMENT FOR THE TERM OF THAT LEASE AND THE YOU KNOW ABILITY FOR THAT TO PROVE A PERMANENT SOLUTION. UM THEN I CAN SUPPORT THIS AND AT LEAST MOVE IT ALONG TO THE NEXT LEVEL IN THE SAME RESPECT THAT. PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS AND BY ZONING AND THIS, YOU KNOW IT COMPLIES BY USE IT COMPLIES BY ALL BUT THESE THREE, YOU KNOW, ITEMS HERE. AND, UM YOU KNOW, IT'S. I TRUST THE MARKET MAY BE MORE THAN SOME OTHERS. YOU GUYS CAN'T AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BUILD THIS THING. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PARKING FIGURED OUT SO YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE THAT THAT HOLDS YOU UP IN THAT PROCESS, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S UH YOU'VE GOT YOUR WORK CUT OUT FOR YOU. OKAY, SO I'M GONNA BRING THIS BACK. HOLD THE FRANK BEFORE I ASK YOU SEVERAL QUESTIONS. ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT THE 71 SPACES IN YOUR MOBILE? THAT ISN'T GOING TO BE WHAT MY. CHANGE OF MOTION IS GOING TO SAY OKAY, SO YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT. OKAY, SO WHAT SHOULD YOU AND I WILL THROW MY SECOND OKAY? THAT TAKES IT UP THE TABLE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO WE NEED ANOTHER MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

THAT WE TAKE THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THERE. THE BUILDING ENVELOPE. THE VISUAL FISTER'S OK. AND THAT'S 71 AS PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN NICK, I THINK YOU HAD A FEW CONDITIONS YOU WANTED. WITH REGARD TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARKING LOT. WITHIN SO MANY

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SORRY THE SECURITIZATION OF THAT PARKING IS PERMANENT ENOUGH TO WHERE IT'S NOT HERE ONE DAY AND GONE TOMORROW. IN OTHER WORDS, IT CAN'T BE A WEEK AND A HALF. OKAY WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, AND I MAKE MY MOTION, ALL RIGHT, SO I THAT'S A GOOD BOAT. THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE IF YOU WOULD LIKE IT, BUT. DO YOU WANT A SECOND? IT? YEAH OKAY, SO I WANT TO JUST WANT TO ASK, KEV. KEVIN. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO HANDLE? ABOUT. HOW MANY FEET AWAY? IT SHOULD BE AND HOW MANY, UH, IT'S THE BOARD'S DISCRETION. OBVIOUSLY THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO SIGN OFF ON THAT AS WELL. IT'S BUT THEN IT BECOMES A MANAGEMENT OF. A PERPETUAL MANAGEMENT OF HOW THIS THING OPERATES IN FUTURE AND STAFF. WELL QUITE YEAH, CLARIFY. I THINK THAT THESE THINGS NEED TO BE RESOLVED LIKE THAT NUMBER OF FEET NEEDS TO BE MADE PART OF THIS ORDINANCE THIS ORDINANCE BEFORE THE NEXT BEFORE IT GOES TO THE NEXT HEARING. I MEAN, I AGREE WITH THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. UM IN THAT. THE BEST, BUT YOU KNOW, THE BEST SCENARIO FOR THIS WOULD BE FOR THE WHOLE PACKAGE TO BE RESOLVED FOR THE PARKING TO BE IN IN THE AGREEMENT, PART OF THE PACKAGE. IT WOULD NOT FORMING ITSELF. IS SITE PLAN WITH THE U D, BUT IT WOULD FORM A CONDITIONED. UH PACKAGE OR AGREEMENT OR ALLOCATION OF USE ELSEWHERE. AS PART OF THE PD. THAT'S WHEN ESSENTIALLY YOU WOULD SECURE THE DISTANCE. YOU WOULD SECURE THE USE OF THE PARKING AND. YOU WOULD HAVE THE WHOLE THING WRAPPED UP AS ONE SO. STAFF STAFFS OBVIOUS. UH, PREFERENCE IN THIS IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE EVERYTHING LINED UP THAT WHEN I.

WHEN STAFF BROUGHT IT TO THE BOARD THAT IT WOULD BE A WHOLE PACKAGE THAT YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THE PARKING HAVE BEEN SURPRISED. UM THE NUMBER OF PARKING WITHOUT PARKING WAS AND THAT WOULD BE FORMED IN THE AGREEMENT OF THE P U. D. OBVIOUSLY I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WITH LIKE IF WE WERE VOTING ON THE SITE PLAN FOR THE ADJACENT PART OR THE OFF SITE PARKING. WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS DEBATE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE 95.

PARKING SPOTS. 89. NO, IT'S. 51 ON SITE AND 40 51. IT WAS 48 OFF SITE. YEAH. SO YOU KNOW? THAT WAS THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WHEN I READ THE PACKAGE WAS LIKE, ALL RIGHT, SWEET. WE GOT IT SOLVED. THERE'S A SOLUTION THAT MAKES SENSE. I SEE HOW THIS WORKS AND THEN YOU KNOW.

IN THE CASE, AND YOU GUYS DESIGNED ER, STAND IT HABIT UNDER CONTRACT. YOU HAVE CONTROL OF IT. YOU SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION. NO. WANT TO ADD SOMETHING LIKE YOU. MY WERE WILLING TO GO ALONG WITH THE 71 SPOTS. WE APPRECIATE THAT. A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO SOMETHING AROUND 800 FT. I THINK IS REASONABLE FOR VALET AND OR WALK DISTANCE.

GOOD WITH THE TRIGGER BEING VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION. YEAH. AND. NOW THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE MIGHT LEASE SOME SOME LAND OR LEASE SPACES, SO WE'D LIKE THAT FLEXIBILITY IN THERE AS WELL. IN ORDER TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK. HEY LET ME JUST CANNOT COMMENT NOW. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, I REALLY LIKED THE IDEA WHEN YOU WERE GOING TO BUILD THAT PARKING LOT THAT ACTUALLY ADDED MORE PARKING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BECAUSE THERE ARE REAL PROBLEMS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. DURING THE SEASON FOR PEOPLE PARKING. AND IT'S MY DAUGHTER LIVED THERE. I WAS THERE A LOT DURING THE SEASON AND I SAW IT. AND. TO HAVE AND I LIKE THAT. I MEAN, I THOUGHT, OKAY, FINE. YOU KNOW IF THAT'S THERE, THEN I GOT THE THERE. YOU KNOW THE UNDERSTANDING THAT NO, THAT'S NOT THERE. AND SO WHAT I HAD PROPOSED WAS GOING TO PROPOSE WE PUT IN IS THAT.

THERE BE A 3 TO 5 MINUTE WALK IN ORDER TO GET TO THE TO THE THING. THAT THERE'S NO SHARED PARKING FOR THE MARINA BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO WORK. I THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO THEIR SHARED PARKING FOR ALL THOSE OTHER USES. BUT THE MARINA TO SHARING OF THE MARINA PARKING IS. GOING TO CREATE A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE, AND THAT'S JUST

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THAT WOULD BE BETTER AND MAKE THE SIDEWALK A LITTLE BIGGER. THERE'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S DESIGN CRITERIA THAT IF YOU'RE DOING IT, I WOULD LIKE TO HOW ABOUT SEE IT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY CREATING A BETTER DIXIE? BECAUSE. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT HAVING JUST CARS PARKED ALONG DIXIE THAT DOESN'T CREATE A GOOD WALKING AREA AND I'VE LIVED UP THERE RIGHT UP THERE AND WALKED DOWNTOWN. AND THAT'S THE WORST STRETCH OF IT KIND OF IT. YOU KNOW HOW YOU LANDSCAPE IT AND DO THINGS WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE. SO. THOSE ARE KIND OF MY ISSUES, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO PUT IN MY MOTION THAT I WASN'T THAT IT WAS WITHDRAWN, SO.

UNLESS THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE IN THERE. I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. WELL, RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, RIGHT? UH YOUR MOTION. CAN WE SUBSTITUTE UP TO 800 FT, SO WE CAN GET SOME CLARITY FOR STAFF NOT DECLARED TO INCLUDE THAT IN MY MOTION, AND NICK, YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OKAY WITH THAT. AND NOW IF STEPPED ON. I'D LIKE TO GET HIS STAFF OKAY WITH AN 800 FT REQUIREMENT AT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOARD ON THAT. YEAH OKAY. AND NOW YOUR MOTION CALLED. FOR ALL OF THAT VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION.

WELL VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION, WHICH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. NICK IS SAYING BEFORE, SEE? OH, NO, NO. I'M SAYING THAT THE PARKING LOT NEEDS TO BE CONSTRUCTED BEFORE THE CEO IS ISSUED. SO. EVERYTHING HAS TO BE BUILT RIGHT SO STAFF IS SAYING THAT. BEFORE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION TAKES PLACE. THEY NEED TO FIND THIS. THEY NEED TO FIND THIS HANDS FACES. BUT LIKE IF THEY COME TO STAFF AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE WE'VE SECURED THIS SITE LIKE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE ACROSS THE STREET. IT'S UNDER CONTRACT AND THEY MAKE APPLICATION. THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT BEFORE THEY GET ISSUED A CEO AND NOT THE OTHER LIKE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUILD THE PARKING LOT BEFORE THEY START BUILDING. THEY'RE BUILDING. OKAY? AND THAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING. IT IS TOO. I NEED TO INCLUDE ANYTHING ELSE. NO, NO, THAT'S FINE. AND THAT'S STAFFS UNDERSTANDS. GOOD. YEAH OKAY, SO UNLESS THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION, I'M GOING TO CALL.

I'D LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION. YEAH EMOTIONS SECOND BEFORE ON MY MOTION BEFORE WE GO, RIGHT? OKAY? AND THAT WOULD BE IN AN IDEAL WORLD. THE WATER MAIN WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM.

THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A COMPLETE PACKAGE. FOR US TO DO. NOT TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY ON THIS.

BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES. THEY BROUGHT IT TO US WITHOUT A COMPLETE PACKAGE ON THE PARKING.

UH AND TO BLAME THE APPLICANT FOR THAT, AND TO POSTPONE IT, I THINK IS UNFAIR. I THINK IF STAFF WANTED EVERYTHING TIED DOWN TO BEGIN WITH THEY SHOULD HAVE HELD OFF ON BRINGING IT TO US. UNTIL IT HAPPENED. THAT'S MY THAT'S MY THING ON THAT. I AGREE WITH PETE ON THAT, AND I'D LIKE TO JUST I'D LIKE TO JUST. POINT OUT THAT THIS HAS TO GO TO ANOTHER CITY COMMISSION MEETING AND THEN ANOTHER CITY COMMISSION MEETING SO THAT THE MEMOIR NOW THE APPLICANT AND TO HOLD UP STAFF IN THIS PROCESS AT THIS POINT, AFTER HAVING ALREADY SENT HIM BACK TO THE TO THE DRAWING BOARD. I THINK IS UNFAIR AND. I MEAN, MIKE, UNDER NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT MIGHT NOT SITTING UP HERE, SAYING FIGURE OUT THE PARKING BEFORE THE SECOND READING. I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE IT A CONDITION OF IT, BUT FIGURE OUT THE PARTNERS FOR THE SECRETARY AND THEN MY OTHER COMMENT BASICALLY GOES TO FRANK. WITH REGARD TO THE. THE WATER MAIN PROPERTY, WHICH I THINK IS AN IDEAL SITUATION. FRANKLY FOR YOU, EVEN IF YOU MAKE IT ONE LINE AND ONLY GET 20 SOME ODD SPACES. UH, WHEN STAFF LOOKS AT THE PARKING LOT.

IF THAT IS THE SOLUTION, GOD KNOWS WHAT IT IS WHERE IT IS, IF THAT TURNS OUT TO BE THE SOLUTION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THE LANDSCAPING ENHANCES. U. S ONE. AND IF WE NEED TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT THE STAFF TAKE CARE OF TREES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I THINK IT COMES. YEP. YEAH. I WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING CLEAR HERE. WHEN STAFF RECEIVED THIS APPLICATION. IT WAS NOT COMPLETE. IT HAS BEEN AMENDED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS WE HAVE HAD LATE SUBMITTAL ZAUN EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE RECEIVED SO FOR STAFF TO SIT HERE AND

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TO SECURE A PERMANENT SOLUTION. AND 71 SPACES. 71 SPACE. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF IT, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. BOARD MEMBER. MAKE THEM SEND YES. BOARD MEMBER SCHROTH. YES. BOARD MEMBER WALK. TO BOARD MEMBER WILSON YES, VICE CHAIR, CAMPENNI. NO.

MISSED YOU, MISS. UH MISS SOMEBODY, SOMEONE. OH I'M SO SORRY. AND BOARD MEMBER DOOLEY.

323 FAILS, FAILED MOTION FAILS. THEY ACTUALLY JEST THAT IT COME BACK AND OUR NEXT MEETING THAT WE TABLE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO RE ADVERTISED AND IT COMES BACK WITH IN COMPLETE PACKAGE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT. AND I GOT A SECOND. I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY? PUBLIC COMMENT. FOR THE ROLE, PLEASE. DO WE NEED TO PUT THE DATE INTO THE MOTION? WHATEVER OUR NEXT NEXT YEAR BE MEETINGS NEXT YEAR. JUST FOR IT TO COME BACK. IT WILL COME BACK, AND THAT WAY HE DOESN'T HAVE TO RE ADVERTISED THEN THAT'S THE MOTION. OKAY? AND THAT WAS THE SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL BOARD MEMBER DOOLEY. BOARD MEMBER MAKE HIM SENSE. YES.

REMEMBER WALK TO? YES REMEMBER WILSON? NO. REMEMBER SHRODES? YES. BY SURE. CAMPENNI. YES.

OKAY. THANK YOU. UH NEXT ONE IS RESOLUTION 24 69. OF 2021 LDC AMENDMENT TO SIGN CODE. MR

[2.  Resolution No. 2469-2021 - LDC Amendment to Sign Code]

YEAH. SORRY ABOUT THAT PANEL, GANDHI SOLVED A CRM ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE RECORD.

UM THIS IS A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT. UM THIS IS A CITY RIGHT CODE. THERE REQUIRES ALL POLE SIGNS TO BE REMOVED BY JANUARY, 1ST. 2022 THIS ITEM WAS BROUGHT TO THE CITY

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AND WE CONTINUE TO DECREASE IN POLE SIGNS WITH THROUGHOUT THE CITY. UM SO THIS AMENDMENT IS JUST TO HELP EXPEDITE THAT AND NOT PUT PRESSURE ON EVERYBODY. TO REMOVE THE POLE SCIENCE CONSIDERING THE ECONOMIC CONDITION. UM SO THE AMENDMENT INCLUDES THAT, UM TO HAVE ALL ABANDONED OR DAMAGE NONCONFORMING POLE SIGNS WITHIN THE CITY. SHOULD BE REMOVED IN AN EXPEDITED MANNER, SO IF THERE ARE ANY DAMAGE NONCONFORMING PAUL SCIENCE I REQUIRE PERMIT. UM THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED WITHIN 90 DAYS OF THE NOTICE FROM THE CITY. OR ANY ABANDONED NONCONFORMING SIGNS PERTAINING TO BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR OVER 100 AND 80 DAYS WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED AFTER 90 DAYS OF.

NOTICE FROM THE CITY, SO THAT'S THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGES, AND I'M ASKING TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 69 2021 MOVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. GET A 2ND 2ND.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? SEED, NONE. WE CAN'T DO IT ALL IN FAVOR FOR THIS ALL IN FAVOR. TIME, OKAY? ALL RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE TRIANGLE DISTRICT. SO SHE LEFT. I KNOW I

[3.  Resolution No. 07-2021 CRA - Masterplan and Naming of the Triangle District]

AND THEN, UM, WE ALSO GOT SOME COMMENTS BACK FROM THE SIERRA BOARD, ONE OF WHICH WAS REGARDING CREATING AN UNDERPASS UNDER THE PROPOSED VISION FOR THE FRASER CREASE CREEK BRIDGE WHENEVER THAT IS RECONSTRUCTED. SO WE ADDED THE NEED DETAILS ON THAT. AND SOME NOTES ON THAT AS WELL AS A NOTE ON LIGHT POLLUTION AND THE SPECIFICATIONS OF NEW LIGHTING AND HOW IT CAN ADDRESS. UM. LIGHT POLLUTION IN THE COMMUNITY WHILE STILL LIGHTING UP THE ACTIVE STREETS AND CREATING A SAFE, UM, WALKABLE COMMUNITY. SO THOSE ARE THE BIG HIGHLIGHTS OF OUR EDITS THAT WE'VE MADE, UM. AND AGAIN. A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD ON THE BOARD WAS HAS GONE INTO THE. UH PRIORITIES FOR THE BUDGET IN THE COMING YEAR, AND

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FAST AS UNANIMOUSLY THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WORK, JUST YEAH. OKAY. BURP GUIDELINES. THIS IS THE

[4.  Resolution No. 08-2021 CRA - Amendments to BIRP Guidelines]

ALTHOUGH THESE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY ENHANCE THE PROPERTIES STUFF DOES HOW CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, EVEN THOUGH I'M MAKING AMENDMENTS I DO HAVE CONCERNS. UM BECAUSE WE GET ABOUT 5 TO 6 APPLICATIONS EVERY FISCAL YEAR, AND USUALLY WE HAVE TO DO TO GRANT CYCLE TO GET THOSE APPLICATIONS AND THERE IS A LOT OF PROMOTION INVOLVED IN. UM AND YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE GET ENOUGH APPLICATIONS SO WE CAN ALLOCATE THE FUNDS AND HAVE IT IN GOOD YOUTH. UM BUT STAFF IS CONCERNED THAT REQUIRING THIS COULD INCREASE THE EXPENSE FOR THAT FOR THE APPLICANT. AND UM, YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE ALREADY PLANNING TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR PROPERTY, AND NOT TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS BY REQUIRING TO DO LANDSCAPING, IT COULD HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM. AGAIN THAT'S JUST THAT'S OPINION. UM. BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE LAST 23 YEARS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROGRAM, UM SO THE BOARD COULD CONSIDER SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT STUFF IS PRESENTING TO INCENTIVIZE THE APPLICANT TO BRING THE LANDSCAPING ON PROPERTY AND COMPLIANCE. UM WE COULD CONSIDER REDUCING THE MATCHING PERCENTAGE TO 25% OF ELIGIBLE COST FOR THE LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS. UM WE COULD INCREASE THE GRANT AWARD UP TO $15,000. IF FALL LANDSCAPING IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. IN ADDITION TO OTHER ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS, OR WE COULD JUST CREATE A SEPARATE LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENT GRANT PROGRAM WITH A 50% MATCH NOT TO EXCEED $10,000 AND. UM BUT THIS WOULD REQUIRE BUDGET AMENDMENT AND ON NEW PROGRAM GUIDELINES. UM THOSE TODAY STAFF IS US REQUESTING, UM, UH, FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES, WHICH INCLUDES EITHER TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER. OH 8-2021, WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE BURKE PROGRAM, UH, ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER O D O A DASH 2021 WITH ANY MODIFICATIONS RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD. OR DENY THE RESOLUTION AND KEEP THE PROGRAM AS IT IS WITH NO CHANGES. OR THE BOARD COULD, UM, REQUEST STAFF TO DO SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. MHM OR YOU COULD JUMP ON THERE. RIGHT? ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF. UH HUH. UH, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

DOES IT HAVE? I NOTICED IN WHAT WAS PROPOSED THAT THEY WOULD BRING THE PROPERTY UP TO MEET ALL THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS. AND. THE THINGS THAT REAL THAT CAME BEFORE YOU ALL I WASN'T AT THE MEETING. WERE PLANS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH JUST ASSIGN, AND THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LANDSCAPING TO OCCUR AROUND IT. SO WOULD IT BE AN OPTION, TOO? JUST HAVE THEM. NOT SAY THAT IT'S A REQUIREMENT TO BRING THE ENTIRE PROPERTY UP TO CODE. BUT HAVE

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I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I TALKED TO PANEL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS. LIKE BETWEEN THE LAST MEETING AND NOW AND LIKE. HELP WITH SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE AND IN MY MIND, THE CONCEPT WASN'T THAT, LIKE EVERYBODY THAT WALKS THROUGH THE DOOR IS GOING TO MEET LANDSCAPE COAT.

PROBABLY NOT POSSIBLE, RIGHT? BUT THAT AT LEAST OFFERS US A BENCHMARK OF THIS IS WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. AND WHEN I SAY A LANDSCAPE PLAN, I DON'T MEAN LIKE GO HIGHER, LESS EDO FOR $5000 TO DRAW THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND NOW HAVE YOUR BUDGET'S GONE. I MEAN, LIKE.

SHOW US WHAT THE CODE LIKE. GIVE US A LIST OF THE ITEMS THAT THE CODES REQUIRING GIVE US A LIST OF THE ITEMS THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING. THEN WE HAVE A BENCHMARK OF OKAY, THIS IS WHAT'S REQUIRED. THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE WHAT THEY'RE TRUCK DOING. BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED BOTH IN THEIR BUDGET AND BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION, BUT AT LEAST THEN WE HAVE, LIKE SOME SORT OF BENCHMARK, SOME SORT OF GUIDELINE AND WE KNOW WHAT? WHAT IS REQUIRED AND. WOULD BE MET UNDER A REDEVELOPMENT SCENARIO AND WHAT IS BEING PROVIDED AS OPPOSED TO JUST. YOU KNOW, ONE DAY I YOU KNOW, THIS CAME IN ON FRIDAY. I WAS TRYING TO GET OUT OF HERE AND YOU KNOW IT ENDED UP LOOKING LIKE THIS VERSUS THE NEXT ONE COMES IN. AND YOU KNOW, AT LEAST THE CODE IS THE ONLY REAL BENCHMARK THAT WE HAVE AND SO.

LET'S PUT A BENCHMARK IN THERE. I DON'T EXPECT ANY OF THESE TWO ACTUALLY NEED CODE. I DON'T THINK SOMEONE'S GOING TO COME IN AND SAY. HERE'S MY LANDSCAPE PLANET MEETS CODE, YOU KNOW, GIVING ME MY $8000 SO THAT I CAN PAINT MY PORCH. I THINK IT'S JUST YOU KNOW? WOODS THE CODE REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, ON PUTTING 500 BUCKS INTO LANDSCAPING, AND I'M CHECKING THESE TWO BOXES OF THE 15 CODE REQUIRES AND NOW WE AS A BOARD CAN LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT SAYS OKAY, THIS IS WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES. THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THE DEVIATION IS EITHER ACCEPTABLE TO US OR IT'S NOT. RIGHT AND I HAVE A QUESTION. HOW DOES HOW DOES THE LANDSCAPE COLD RENOWNED? DOES IT TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC TREES OR BRUSHES? AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE ZONING. WE WOULD HAVE TO DEPEND. I WOULD HAVE TO SEE WHAT ZONING THE PARCELS IN. I WOULD LOOK AT THE CODE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT. SPECIFIC AREA. AND I COULD LIKE I COULD USE THAT AS MY BENCHMARK WHEN I'M MAKING RECOMMENDATION TO THE APPLICANTS, SO I DO NEED SOME SORT OF BENCHMARK. I CAN'T JUST. MAKE UP SOMETHING LIKE IN THE LIKE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF.

THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT. YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE TO SHADE TREES. SO YOU KNOW IF THEY CAME IN AND THE SITE HAS ZERO, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT ONE IN THEN, LIKE AT LEAST WE'VE GOTTEN HALFWAY THERE. GIVEN THE AND THEN PINEL CAN. RANK THEM A LITTLE HIGHER BECAUSE OF THAT. YEAH. AND I THINK WHAT. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? I LIKE IT SEPARATE. MIND. THINK I LIKE OPTION THREE? THE BEST BECAUSE IT KIND OF IF WE GO BACK TO WHAT WE JUST ACCRUED FOR THIS SIGN. AND WE TOOK AWAY THAT DATE BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T WANTING TO SPEND MONEY. THIS IS FORCING BUSINESSES TO SPEND MORE MONEY TO GET THE OTHER MONEY. I LIKE THE IDEA OF. IT'S INCENTIVIZED BY MATCHING 50. FOR THE LANDSCAPE. AND KEEP IT.

I LIKE THE LANDSCAPING. I'M AGREEING WITH THAT. BUT I THINK THE WAY TO APPROACH IT IS MORE OF AN INCENTIVE, NOT YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO BE PENALIZED WITH THIS GREAT MONEY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS PART OF MY CROSS GIVING PEOPLE MONEY TO FURTHER VIOLATE CUT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO LIKE WE'RE GIVING, LIKE ON THAT SIGN THAT WE APPROVED ON U. S ONE. YOU KNOW, WE FOOT THE BILL FOR HALF OF THIS SIGN AND GOT ZERO PLANTS UP. RIGHT? THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE COMBINED ALL STAR. I MEAN, YOU'RE DOING THE OTHER THING I WOULD AGREE. THEM MONEY. IN THE IN THE ORIGINAL PRINT PROGRAM TO COME UP TO CODE FOR THE SIGNS. SO I MEAN, I'D BE OPEN TO IT'S TRUE. I'D BE OPEN TO INCREASING THE AMOUNT. OF THE GRANT. TO WHERE. IF YOU YOU KNOW, IF YOU QUALIFY UNDER THIS, THERE'S NO LONGER A $10,000 CAP. YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S SAY 15,000, WHICH EFFECTIVELY MEANS THAT. WE'RE INCENTIVIZING SOMEONE TO SPEND AN ADDITIONAL $5000 ON LANDSCAPE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL COME OUT THAT WAY, THOUGH, AND I THINK WE MAY STUFF WE'LL HAVE FEWER PEOPLE COMING OUT

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THAT'S INCENTIVIZING THEM WITHOUT FORCING THEM TO DO SO. I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT WAY OF DOING IT. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT, LIKE AND I AGREE WITH I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, KATIE, BUT WE'LL NEVER GET ANYBODY TO DO ANYTHING THAT AND SO. IF WE'RE GONNA IF WE'RE GONNA IF WE THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE LANDSCAPING. WE'RE INCENTIVIZING THEM BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING THEM. ONE FOR ALREADY INCENTIVIZING THEM BECAUSE, QUITE FRANKLY, LIKE WE'RE GIVING THEM THE MONEY, JUST LIKE YOU KNOW, CAN WE NOT CREEP PROGRAM AND THIS WOULD HAVE TO ANALYZE THE BUDGET, BUT. MR WILSON ALWAYS PICKS, TREES AND BENCHES. IS THERE NOT LIKE A SEPARATE PROGRAM? THAT. EVEN IF WE AGE LIKE 75% SOMEWHERE ENCOURAGING THE LANDSCAPING WERE ULTIMATELY WANTING THIS LAND. SEPARATE. IT MIGHT BE MORE MONEY. UH WELL, IF IT'S A CERTAIN IF WE'RE GOING TO A SEPARATE FUND. AS PENELAS SAID, DIDN'T WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING ISSUES AND BUDGETARY ISSUES? IT'S YEAH. I MEAN, LIKE STAY OUT OF THE. BUREAUCRACY IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO ROLL IT INTO THIS, BUT I MEAN, WE COULD TRY IT THIS WAY AND THEN. I'M GOING TO COUNT ON KATIE TO REMIND US COME JANUARY OR FEBRUARY IF IT ISN'T WORKING OUT WITH OUR FIRST AFRICAN. THEN WE COULD SORT OF PLANNING TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH BEFORE THE NEW BUDGET CUT THEY JUST PAT. THEY JUST HAD THE FIRST READING LIKE LAST NIGHT.

SO I MEAN, I HATE TO HAVE TO UPSET THAT NOW. BECAUSE THEN THIS HAS TO GO TO THE COMMISSION TO VOTE ON. SO I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA HOLD IT UP ANYWAYS, WOULD END SURE WOULD.

UNDER AS THE BIRTH PROGRAMS CURRENTLY WRITTEN WOULD LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS QUALIFY FOR IMPROVEMENTS OR LIKE LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, NOT FIT UNDERNEATH THE. UM CURRENTLY, I THINK IT'S SECONDARY. UM. HEADLINE MAYBE THE MAYBE THE SOLUTION HERE IS THAT. YOU KNOW, EXPAND THAT IT'S EXPAND THE AND WHAT QUALIFIES AS A BOURBON PROGRAM. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE I DON'T HAVE TO, LIKE SOMEBODY COULD COME IN WITH JUST A LANDSCAPE PLAN UNDER THE BIRD PROGRAM. TO YOUR POINT. AND GET DOLLARS FROM THE PROGRAM. YES YEAH, I LIKE THAT.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO FORCE SOMEONE WHO WANT HE NEEDS TO FIX THIS SONG. YOU NEED TO TALK TO YOUR MIC ET. YEAH, WE HAVE. PEOPLE ARE WE'VE GIVEN YOU COULDN'T HEAR ME. SORRY THERE'S A LOT OF GLASS BETWEEN US. I JUST DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE A BUSINESS OWNER FOR COMING IN AND IMPROVING SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY DON'T FOLLOW. YOU HAVE AN ANSWER, SO, UH, APPARENTLY, IT SAYS LANDSCAPING, MAXIMUM 1500, OR 15% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT, WHICHEVER IS LESS AND NO IRRIGATION. THAT'S THE CURRENT, UH, REQUIREMENT FOR LANDSCAPING. BUT REMOVE THAT SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE 15% 1500 UPON IT PUTS A CAPITAL. I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY MOVE THAT. I MEAN, TRYING TO CAP I THINK, STRIKE THE CAPTAIN. STRIKE THE WHOLE I MEAN LANDSCAPING IN MY MIND. I MEAN, WE'RE BUILDING OUR LANDSCAPE BILL FOR HAVING THESE LIKE $350,000. SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S AS MUCH MONEY AND THERE'S THREE TIMES AS MUCH MONEY AND LANDSCAPING OUT THERE IS THERE IS IN LIKE. MAKING YOU KNOW, SEWERAGE GO DOWNHILL, SO. IT'S IMPORTANT AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A CAP ON IT. AND IT PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION SHOULD STAND ON HIS OWN AS AN ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, BURT QUALIFYING THING IF SOMEBODY WERE TO COME IN HERE AND SAY, HEY, I'M GOING TO DO $20,000 WORTH OF LANDSCAPE. PROPERTY. LIKE THE CITY TO MATCH OF THE SIERRA TO MATCH IT THAT. I THINK THAT SHOULD GET YOU KNOW. YEAH. DUDE I'M NOT FIND MY MOTION TO INCLUDE THOSE CHANGE. YEAH I THINK I NEED A LITTLE MODIFY HIS NOTION TO ELIMINATE THE CAP AND MAKE LANDSCAPING PROJECTS QUALIFY FOR BIRTH FUNDS. OKAY Q. THAT'S HOW GOOD CITY ATTORNEY THAT'S OKAY. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT I GUESS I'VE GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED HERE. WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? AND WHAT IS DICK SOLUTION FOR THIS? UH PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE A CAP ON IT. I THINK IF THEY WANT TO COME IN AND DO $10,000 WORTH OF. LANDSCAPE RENOVATION AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT HALF OF IT. I THINK IT'S. IT'S THE MOST ATTRACTIVE THING WE CAN DO FOR US ONE AND FOR A BUSINESS. TO

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FOR NO, NO. NO POINTS ARE REQUIRED. POINTS REQUIRED A LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUT THAT'S THE POINT THING THE WAY THEIR LANGUAGE READS. AND I MEAN, CAN YOU MAYBE PUT UP THAT RED LINE ON THE ON THE SCREEN SO WE CAN SEE IT. YEAH, I MEAN, WHAT'S IT SAYING? THIS SAYS THAT ALL ELIGIBLE APPLICANTS ARE REQUIRED TO UPGRADE LANDSCAPING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY OF SEWER LANDSCAPE, QUOTE FOR THE PARAMETER OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT ABUTS A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND THOSE PORTIONS OF THE QUOTE RELATED TO INTERIOR PARKING LOT MANSCAPING. IT MAY INCLUDE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO ASPHALT REMOVAL. PLANT MATERIALS. THEY'RE ESCAPING NATIVE PLANTS, SHADE TREES AND IRRIGATION SYSTEM. WHERE THE LANDSCAPE COOK CANNOT REASONABLY BE MET. APPLICANTS SHALL PROVIDE JUSTIFICATION STATEMENT FOR THE CODE NOT BEING MET. THE FORD WILL MAKE THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE GRANT WITH A VERY, VERY, VERY INTO THE CODE. REPLACEMENT OR EXISTING REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING LANDSCAPING MATERIAL ARE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO THE GRANT PROGRAM. IF NON CONFORMITY EXISTS, YOU DECIDE LIMITATION. THE GOAL SHALL BE TO BRING THE PROPERTY AS MUCH INTO COMPLIANCE. THE NEW LANDSCAPING UNDER THE GRANT WILL BE MAINTAINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY OF STEWART LANDSCAPING CODE. IT WILL NOT BE REMOVED OR NEGATIVELY ALTERED AS DETERMINED BY THE CRS FOR FIVE YEARS. FOR INSTALLATION. AND PERHAPS THAT'S A LITTLE STRONG.

THAT'S HARSH CONCEPT. HORSE I AGREE. THE CONCEPT IS THAT. THE CURVE WOULD REMAIN THE BENCHMARK FOR WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. AND. THE BOARD WOULD APPROVE WHAT COMES BEFORE US AS A. YOU KNOW AS A VARIANCE TO THAT CODE, RECOGNIZING THAT THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY THE CODE CAN'T BE MET. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT? YEAH NO. YEAH LIKE HITTING.

HITTING THE CODE ON EVERY PROJECT IS GOING TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. PEOPLE WON'T DO IT BECAUSE LANDSCAPING BRINGING IT UP. THE CODE IS GOING TO TAKE MORE MONEY THAN WHAT. THEY EVEN COULD DO RIGHT AND I THINK THAT'S MORE FOR STAFF TO USE THAT AS A BENCHMARK, SO I JUST PROBABLY NEED TO CHANGE THE WORDING A LITTLE BIT, UM, TO KIND OF ENCOURAGE THEM TO BRING IT AS MUCH INTO COMPLIANCE AS POSSIBLE STRONGLY SUGGESTS, YES. BUT SOMETIMES I LIKE THAT.

SOMETIMES HONESTLY, WHEN I'M TALKING TO THE APPLICANT, AND IF IT'S NOT REQUIRED, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT. AND I THINK I THINK, PROVIDING THEM WITH THE SHORTCOMINGS OF CODE.

YEAH IT GIVES THEM AT LEAST YOU KNOW AND GRANTED. WE DON'T HAVE A CITY TREE. BUT IF IT SAYS CODE REQUIRES TO SHADE TREES THEN THEY AT LEAST KNOW, LIKE OKAY, WELL, IF I FIND ONE SHADE TREE THAT I'M I'M HALFWAY THERE IF YOU TELL THEM. YOU DON'T NEED LANDSCAPE CODE. IT BECOMES A WORD, WALDO. QUESTION WHERE YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW YOU DON'T NEED CODE. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO MEET CODE AND YOU KNOW, NOW YOU'RE JUST OUT THERE LOOKING FOR YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF ANSWER IN THE DARK. YEAH, IT'S GOING TO NEED SOME LANGUAGE. TWEAKING YET MOTION GONNA. CHANGE THE WORD REQUIRED. MY MOTION WOULD CHANGE THAT PARAGRAPH ENTIRELY TO READ MORE ALONG THE LINES THAT STAFF WILL USE CODE AS A BENCHMARK. AND SHOW TO THE BOARD. WHEN APPLICATIONS COME FORWARD, WHERE CODE IS NOT BEING MET, AND PROVIDE THAT OBVIOUSLY TO THE APPLICANT AS WELL. AND YOU KNOW? FOR EACH APPLICATION WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW. OKAY? THIS IS CODE. THIS IS WHAT'S BEING PROVIDED. DO WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S I LIKE? IS IT AN UPGRADE? THAT'S THE CURE. ALSO REMOVING THAT 25% YEAH THAT 25% CAP IN THE $1500 CAP.

DID YOU HEAR THAT? YEAH I DID HEAR THAT, AND I AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT. I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE. THIS IS THIS RED PHRASING IS A LITTLE BIT. TOUGH HARSH. I LIKE THE HARSH I REALLY DO. UM. I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID LITTLE KISS THING ON THIS THING. SO IF YOU COULD BRING IT BACK, PROBABLY WITH NIXON. KATIE'S IDEAS AND. FRANK'S UH, YOU KNOW, KEEPING IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE. UH TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO IMPROVE THEIR

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TARA WHATEVER WORD OR WHEREVER, WHEREVER WE'RE PUTTING DOLLARS, I WILL MENTION TRANSLATED. OKAY DON'T MENTION TWO THINGS THAT I BROUGHT UP. UM ONE LONG TIME AGO TO PRONOUNCE AND PRINT IN.

VERNELL KNOWS. ORLANDO HASN'T CITY TREE ORDINANCE. WHERE THEY ACTUALLY WILL GIVE YOU A TREE.

IF YOU MAINTAIN IT. UH, WE HAVE NEVER DONE ANYTHING ON THAT ORDER. IN ALL THE YEARS I BROUGHT IT, WHICH IS PROBABLY 10 YEARS AGO. AH UH THINK, GIVE TREES AND YOU ON YOUR PROPERTY AND YOU. REALLY MAINTAIN IT, AND IT PROVIDED SIDEWALK SHADE. AND IT DOES ALL THAT KIND OF THING. THE OTHER THING. I THINK THAT WE LOSE TRACK OF IS THAT PEOPLE WALKED THE CITY. AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BENCHES. THAT IS ALSO AN AMENITY. THAT IS PART OF IMPROVING, I THINK A BUSINESS OR WHAT'S IN FRONT OF IT. AND ALL THOSE THINGS PROBABLY COULD BE ASKED TO REQUESTED OR HELPS. WE'RE ENCOURAGED BY PUTTING MONEY INTO IT, AND I LIKE THE IDEA THAT YOU GUYS HAVE GOTTEN ONTO IT AND GOING TO LET YOU TAKE CARE OF IT. SO YOU HAVE ENOUGH GUY DO DO I NEED TO BRING THIS BACK BECAUSE I WAS PLANNING TO TAKE THIS TO THE C R A AND THEN START THE CYCLE OCTOBER FIRM FINE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO THE SIERRA, WITH THESE COMMENTS INCORPORATED AND I WILL KNOW YOU AND I WILL MAKE IT. OKAY NOT AS HARD AS SHE CAN JUST WRITE IT UP FOR THEM. MOVED SECONDED 34. OKAY UH, I'M NOT IN THIS, BUT YES. ALL RIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR NIGHT. GO. UM, BEFORE I ADJOURN. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION

[OTHER MATTERS BEFORE THE BOARD]

TO ME. THAT MEANS THAT SOMETHING WASN'T QUITE READY AND THEN, OKAY, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO POSTPONE IT. AND WHEN YOU HEAR IT ON SUCH AND SUCH A DATE. UM AND. I GUESS I

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OTHERWISE GO BRING IT TO US. SO THE OTHER THING IS. NO. WELL THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK HE NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT IT. WORK ON IT, SEE THE WAY IT SHOULD BE, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE BRING IT BACK. OKAY I'LL TELL YOU I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH KILLING STAFF THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO SOMETHING. I PUT THE GROUP. I THINK THEY'RE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO MAKE DECISIONS. THINK THIS IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT WE'VE RUN? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ORDER THAT MOTION THAT WE HAD TURNED NOT TO BRING. SOMETHING IS MISSING A TREE SOMEWHERE IN THE PARKING LOT, AND WE TELL THEM HEY, YOU GOT TO GO FIND IT. BUT. YOU KNOW, NOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT A DEAL. WHERE YOU KNOW I HAVE THIS UNDER CONTRACT. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO BUILD A PARKING LOT OVER THERE NOW. I'M NOT. BUT I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE I STILL AM LIKE. BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT.

BUT IT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN TODAY OR YESTERDAY. SO I MEAN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE WERE TOLD, YEAH, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO GO HOME MOTION WE RETURNED. SO THIS IS IT'S AN IDEA FOR YOU TO BRING BACK NEXT TIME.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.