RESOLUTION No. 74-2021; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPROVING AND ADOPTING THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE “TRIANGLE” STUDY AREA AND DESIGNATING THE NAME OF THE STUDY AREA AS “TRIANGLE DISTRICT”; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

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CLARKE? YES, MA'AM. ITEM NUMBER TWO. THEY ADOPT THE TRIANGLE DISTRICT MASTER PLAN AND DESIGNATED AND NAME DO YOU WANT TO READ THAT? UM. CITY MANAGED THAT THIS IS A RESOLUTION NUMBER 74-2021 OF RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPROVING AND ADOPTING THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE TRIANGLE STUDY AREA. AND DESIGNATING THE NAME OF THE STUDY AREA AS TRIANGLE DISTRICT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. MR MEYER.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I REALLY JUST WANTED TO PULL THIS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC.

THAT MIGHT BE TUNING IN NOW. I KNOW WE JUST WENT OVER THIS IN R C R A MEETING. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE, UM WELL. WELL, WE'RE HERE OR ARE HERE NOW AND ARE TUNING IN ONLINE. THIS IS A LARGE PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ON WITH THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL, THE RESULT OF, UH. PUBLIC INPUT SESSIONS, WALKING TOURS. UM AND THERE'S A IS A GREAT STEP FORWARD IN US VISIONING WHAT THE REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES ARE FOR THE TRIANGLE DISTRICT, WHICH IS RIGHT OVER HERE ACROSS THE TRACKS. BOUNDED BY US ONE JOAN JEFFERSON AND IN WEST OCEAN AND REALLY EXCITING IDEAS COMING OUT OF THIS, UM. WITH

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SOME POTENTIAL TRAFFIC CHANGES, STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS AND ART CORRIDOR. SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. REALLY, REALLY THOROUGH AND WELL DONE. MASTER PLAN. AND WE'RE RENAMING, OFFICIALLY NAMING THE AREA OF THIS MOTION. MOTION SECONDED WILL RENAME IT THE TRIANGLE DISTRICT ONCE AND FOR ALL. THANK YOU ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S ON ITEM NUMBER TWO. NONE AND IT COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON ITEM NUMBER TWO REGARDING THE TRIANGLE DISTRICT MASTER PLAN AND DESIGNATED THE NAME FOR THE TRIANGLE DISTRICT.

MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 74 2021 2ND. OKAY MOTION AND A SECOND. DO YOU HAVE THAT CLEAR? YOU KNOW THE NAME THE MOTION, BUT VICE MAYOR SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MEYER. UM, I ASKED THE PUBLIC COMMENT ALREADY. UM BRO CALLED, PLEASE. VICE MAYOR MATHESON. YES MAYOR CLARKE. YES COMMISSIONER BRUNER. YES COMMISSIONER MEYER? YES, COMMISSIONER MCDONALD? YES.

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ADOPT APPENDIX A, FEES AND RATES (RC):

RESOLUTION 100-2021; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA ADOPTING APPENDIX “A” BY AMENDING CHAPTER 12, CHAPTER 22, CHAPTER 32. CHAPTER 34, AND CHAPTER 42 OF THE CITY’S CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

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CITY MANAGER. I PULLED OUT OF NUMBER FIVE JUST FOR YOU, TOO. GIVE US A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF THESE FEE STRUCTURE AT THE CITY IS STUART. THIS IS RESOLUTION 120 21 OF RESOLUTION. THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, ADOPTING APPENDIX A. BY AMENDING CHAPTER 12 CHAPTER 22 CHAPTER 32 CHAPTER 34 CHAPTER 42 OF THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. YES, MADAM MAYOR. WE UPDATE OUR APPENDIX. AIDS. UM. ANNUALLY PRIOR TO THE OCTOBER 1ST DATE TO COINCIDE WITH OUR BUDGET. UM ON OCCASION, IT GETS UPDATED.

IF THERE'S A ANOTHER PENDING CHANGE THAT IS URGENT. THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT MINIMUM ANNUALLY. WE, UH, EXAMINE THESE FEE RATES. AND TO ALL THE DIFFERENT CHAPTERS WITHIN OUR CODE. IF THERE'S A FEE IN THEM OR RATE IN THEM, THEY REFER TO OUR APPENDIX A, WHICH OUTLINES ALL THE DIFFERENT FEES FOR THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF CODE. SO RUNNING DOWN THIS REAL QUICK CHAPTER 12 CHANGES RELATE. TO TOWING AND STORAGE FEES AS UM, AS IT RELATES TO, UH, CALLS BY LAW ENFORCEMENT TO HAVE VEHICLES TOWED. AND CHAPTER 22 RELATES TO FIRE FIRE FEE RATES, INSPECTIONS OF LIKE TENTS AND SO FORTH. BOTH CHAPTERS 12 AND 22 WERE CHANGED TO, UM.

COINCIDE WITH THE COMMUNITIES AROUND US SPECIFICALLY MARTIN COUNTY WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING FOR THEIR RATES AND FEES. UM SECTION OR CHAPTER 32 IS THE FEES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THOSE ARE CHANGED THROUGH A RESOLUTION THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE COMMISSION A LONG TIME AGO TO SET THOSE WITH THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX INCREASES. SO THOSE ARE GOING UP BY THE INCREASED RATES FOR CP. AND THEN CHAPTERS 34 40 TO REVOLVE AROUND WATER, WASTEWATER AND SANITATION RATES, AND THE COMMISSION ADOPTED A STUDY IN AUGUST 14TH 2017. TO INCREASE THOSE RATES ANNUALLY BY WHATEVER PERCENTAGE WITHIN THOSE INDIVIDUAL FUNDS THAT WERE REQUIRED AND BELIEVE THIS IS THE LAST OR SECOND LAST YEAR OF THAT FIVE YEAR CYCLE IN 2020 TWO'S FISCAL YEAR, WILL BE DOING ANOTHER ANALYSIS FOR THAT RATE STUDY. WHICH WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU TOWARDS THE END OF 22. THANK YOU AND GOOD. MR IS HAVING THE COMMENTS AND ITEM NUMBER FIVE MOVE TO A PROOF. SECOND MOVE BY COMMISSION MCDONALD'S SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MEYER AND COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE. ADOPT AN APPENDIX A FEES AND RATES FOR THE CITY OF STEWART. TO THE CLERK. MR MEYER? YES MAYOR CLARKE? YES MAYOR MATHESON? YES COMMISSIONER BRUNER? YES, COMMISSIONER MCDONALD? YES YES.

BEFORE WE GO ON, THIS IS THE END OF THE CONSENT AGENDA BEFORE WE GO ON TO COMMISSION ACTION ITEM. I DON'T KNOW. SHE'S HERE TODAY. ROSS JOHNSON. UM PERSONAL PERSON. THIS WOULD BE THE DAY WHEN SHE'S NOT HERE. BUT, UM. THIS CONSENT AGENDA CONTAINS A LOT IN IT. AND TO THE WORK OF OUR UNION PARTNERS OR FIRE UNION PARTNERS OR POLICE, UNION PARTNERS AND OUR PERSONAL DEPARTMENT. A LOT OF WORK, AND A LOT OF NEGOTIATIONS GOES INTO WHAT THEY DO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO DO THEIR JOB TO HAVE AN EFFECTIVE CITY TELL THEM EFFECTIVE BASE. AND SO IT IS SO IMPORTANT AND I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE. UM OUR PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT CITY MANAGER. AND OF COURSE, OUR PARTNERS IN THE UNION, THE POLICE AND FIRE UNIONS. OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE DONE SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ANOTHER YEAR AND HAVE A SUCCESSFUL, EFFECTIVE, UM, WORK GOING ON WITHIN OUR CITY, AND WE JUST WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSION ACTION. AUTHORIZATION TO SELL THAT ALL

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AUTHORIZATION TO SELL OLD CITY LANDFILL PROPERTY (RC):

RESOLUTION No. 69-2021; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE SALE OF THE OLD CITY LANDFILL PROPERTY AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AND TO EXECUTE A VACANT LAND CONTRACT WITH THE PURCHASER, GOLDSTEIN KITE ENVIRONMENTAL, LLC AND/OR ASSIGNS; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

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CITY LANDFILL PROPERTY. RESOLUTION 69 2021, MR MARTEL. THIS IS RESOLUTION 69 2021 OF RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE SALE OF THE OLD CITY LANDFILL PROPERTY AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN EXECUTED VACANT LAND CONTRACT. WITH THE PURCHASER, GOLDSTEIN KITE ENVIRONMENTAL LLC AND OR ASSIGNS, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A, UH, AN UNSOLICITED OFFER THAT IS LEGAL PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE AS WE ARE MUNICIPALITY. THEM AND. THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION. THE GOLDSTEIN TIGHT ENVIRONMENTAL IS HERE TO PRESENT. OKAY IS THAT GOING TO BE, UM, ANYBODY FROM DEVELOPMENT OR JUST MR MCCARTHY. OKAY? GOOD EVENING. YES, SIR. ME. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MIKE MCCARTY WITH MCCARTHY AND ASSOCIATES, LAND PLANNING AND DESIGN. I'LL JUST TAKE A BRIEF MINUTE TO SPEAK WITH YOU. AND THEN I'LL INTRODUCE. UH MICHAEL GOLDSTEIN, KELLY, KATE AND THEIR TEAM. I'M 1/7 GENERATION FOR THE NATIVE. BEEN LIVING HERE. UPON MY LIFE WENT AWAY FOR SCHOOL UP IN TALLAHASSEE AT FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY. AND DURING MY. INTERIM IN TALLAHASSEE WORKED FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION FOR EXTENT OF TIME.

UM WHEN I CAME BACK HOME AND STARTED WORKING FOR SOME OF THE LOCAL LAND PLANNING FIRMS, I WAS ALWAYS PERPLEXED WHEN I DROVE BY THE SITE. AND SITE LAYING DORMANT IN OUR URBAN CORE, IF YOU WILL OF THE CITY. UM AND IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS OR MORE, I SUPPOSE. UM. YOU KNOW, IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR I'VE BEEN PRACTICING NOW FOR 15 YEARS. UM IT'S ALWAYS BEEN INTEREST IN MIND TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN WITH THAT SITE. I KNOW THAT NUMEROUS. ENTITIES OR INDIVIDUALS HAVE APPROACHED THE CITY OVER THE OVERTIME AND CONSIDERED ACQUISITION OF THAT SITE AND FORMS OF REDEVELOPMENT. I'VE SPENT. NUMEROUS YEARS WORKING TO TRY TO FIND. THE RIGHT FIT FOR THAT PROJECT. BEING THAT IT'S A LANDFILL AND HAS SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. I STARTED DOING SOME NETWORKING THROUGH PEOPLE THAT I'VE WORKED WITH. AND, UM THROUGH RESEARCHING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND WAS ABLE TO CONTACT MICHAEL GOLDSTEIN AND KELLY KITE. I INTRODUCED THEM TO THIS SITE. WE RESEARCHED IT ON OUR OWN FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS. FIRE TO ACTUALLY COMING TO THE CITY AND MEETING WITH MR DYSON, MR MARTEL AND KEPT FREEMAN AND EVEN MEMBERS AND PUBLIC WORKS. UM. YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS AN ALBATROSS HANGING AROUND THEIR NECK. WE HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHE THAT WE ALL JUST ACT LIKE, ISN'T THERE? AND IT'S TIME THAT WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, AND I'VE TAKEN THE INITIATIVE TO GO OUT AND SOLICIT THE APPROPRIATE GROUP THAT HAS A SUCCESSFUL TRACK RECORD. AND AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE LIST OF EXPERIENCES THAT THEY'RE HERE TO SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT. AND IT'S A WAY THAT WE CAN GET THIS PROPERTY. OFF OF THE SELL OFF OF THE CITY AS A LIABILITY AND MOVE IT FORWARD TO PROVIDING JOBS TAX BASE AND REDEVELOP AN ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHE.

THAT'S A TICKING TIME BOMB. SO I INTRODUCED TO YOU MICHAEL GOLDSTEIN, KELLY CARR. MR. CALL STEVE. YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION, SIR? YES, MADAM MAYOR. MADAM MAYOR. UH MR VICE MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, CHARTER OFFICERS. MY NAME IS MICHAEL GOLDSTEIN. MY ADDRESS IS 2100 PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD AND CORAL GABLES. I AM A PRINCIPAL WITH GOLDSTEIN KIND ENVIRONMENTAL LLC. I'M HERE WITH MY PARTNER. KELLY KITE. ALSO WITH GOLDSTEIN, KITE ENVIRONMENTAL. KELLY KITE BUREAU BEACH FLORIDA 2735 CARISA AVENUE. UM. UH HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH MIKE PRESENTING TODAY THINK REALLY WANT TO APPRECIATE. ALL YOUR TIME. I KNOW WE'VE EATEN MET WITH EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY, PARTICULARLY MIKE MORTALITY.

DAVID DIESS MIGHT SPEND A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME PROTECTING THE CITIES AND JUST GOING OVER THIS, AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING US YES, SIR.

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY. WE'VE BEEN TREATING IT AS SUCH. WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION TO GO THROUGH. WE'LL TRY AND GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY. I HOPE

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WE'VE ANTICIPATED YOUR QUESTIONS. I THINK THE OUR PROPOSAL RESPONDS TO THE MOMENT. UH, UH MIKE, WHO INTRODUCED US SPOKE TO THE THAT. IMPORTANCE AND SIGNIFICANCE OF THE SITE, AND I THINK WHAT WE BRING TO THE TABLE. GOT IT. OKAY? COMMISSIONERS THE FIRST THING I WANT TO STRESS. TO EACH OF YOU AND TO THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE WATCHING US WHO ARE HERE WITH US TODAY. THAT WE BRING TO THE TABLE, A FIRST CLASS TEAM. OF SOPHISTICATED REDEVELOPMENT PROFESSIONALS. UM. I FEEL THAT WE HAVE A BEST IN CLASS GROUP HERE. TO SERVE THE CITY'S BEST INTERESTS. TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS BEST INTEREST. AND TO BRING THIS SITE QUICKLY BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE USE. TO PUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. INTO THE TAX ROLLS. THROUGH THE MARSHALING OF BETWEEN LIKELY 2 TO $400 MILLION IN CAPITAL INVESTMENT. THE CREATION OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS, PART TIME JOBS FOR CONSTRUCTION AND FOR CLEANUP AND REDEVELOPMENT. AND THOUSANDS OF PERMANENT JOBS DEPENDING ON THE RE USE HERE. GOLDSTEIN KIND ENVIRONMENTAL IS A BROWNFIELDS REDEVELOPMENT FIRM. WE SPECIALIZE IN PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND FINANCING AND DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS AND RE USE ON CHALLENGING CONTAMINATED SITES. I'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR 30 YEARS. KELLY HAS BEEN AT THIS FOR QUITE A PERIOD OF TIME AS WELL. WE BRING UNIQUE TALENTS.

AND EXPERIENCES TO THE TABLE. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN SOME LENGTH. WE HAVE THREE NATIONAL. ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTING AND CONTRACTING FIRMS. THAT COLLECTIVELY HAVE WORKED ON NOT DOZENS, BUT HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF LANDFILL REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THIS IS THE A TEAM THAT WE'RE BRINGING. TO THE TABLE. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ANY OF US HAS DABBLED IN. THIS IS WHAT WE DO. DAY IN AND DAY OUT. IT'S INHERENT IN THE DNA OF OUR VARIOUS CORPORATE ENTITIES. WE'RE ALSO PARTNERING WITH KIM LEE HORN AND ASSOCIATES. CAN WE HORN AND ASSOCIATES AS ONE OF THE TOP CIVIL ENGINEERING FIRMS. IN THE UNITED STATES. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT EXPOSURE TO ENVIRONMENTAL LIABILITY IN SHORT ORDER. WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR EXPOSURE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CITY'S EXPOSURE. WE FEEL WE HAVE A VERY GOOD INSURANCE SOLUTION. WE'RE USING WHAT I THINK IS THE BEST IN CLASS ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE. AGENT IN THE UNITED STATES. I'VE WORKED WITH THEM FOR OVER A DECADE NOW PLACING HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. AN ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE ON RISKY SITES. THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND THEN FINALLY, WE'RE WORKING WITH A MODEST ENVIRONMENTAL LAW FIRM CALLED THE GOLDSTEIN.

ENVIRONMENTAL LAW FIRM. THAT'S WHAT I DO IN MY DAY JOB REPRESENTING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

PRIVATE DEVELOPERS, NOT FOR PROFITS COMMUNITY ADVOCATES, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ADVOCATES I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR 30 YEARS. AND WE'VE DONE MORE OF THIS TYPE OF WORK THAN ANY OTHER LAW FIRM IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THAT. IN SOME DETAIL IN A MOMENT. JUST A VERY BRIEF NOTE REGARDING KELLY AND MYSELF AGAIN. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS TYPE OF WORK, BOTH AS A LAWYER AND A REDEVELOPMENT PRINCIPLE FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS. AND THE FOURTH BROWNFIELDS PROGRAM ALONE. I WORKED ON OVER 200 PROJECTS FROM PENSACOLA TO JACKSONVILLE TO KEY WEST TO SARASOTA AND ORLANDO AND ALL POINTS IN BETWEEN. JUST WITHIN THE FORT BROWNFIELDS PROGRAM. I'VE WORKED ON MORE THAN 40 LANDFILL REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AS A TRUSTED COUNSELOR. WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE AS G K E AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL REDEVELOPMENT PRINCIPAL, BRINGING LANDFILLS BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE USE. MY PARTNER, KELLY HAS BEEN WORKING ON DISTRESSED REAL ESTATE FOR AT LEAST 15 YEARS AND HAS MOBILIZED OVER $250 MILLION IN PRIVATE CAPITAL INTO. THESE TYPES OF ASSETS. IF YOU GO DEEPER INTO OUR RESUME YOU'LL SEE THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO THIS TYPE OF WORK NATIONALLY ON A STATEWIDE BASIS AND LOCALLY AS WELL. I WAS ONE OF THE MM. INITIAL ADVOCATES AND LEGISLATIVE SUPPORTERS OF THE FLOOD BROWNFIELDS PROGRAM IN 1997. I PARTICIPATED AND THE DRAFTING OF THE LEGISLATION. I'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY.

ENVIRONMENTAL REDEVELOPMENT POLICY AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE RELATED INITIATIVES. I WAS RECOGNIZED FOR MY INVOLVEMENT AS SUCH BACK IN 2000 AND 19 BY THE SOUTHEAST.

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BROWNFIELDS CONFERENCE. KELLY MY PARTNER IS ALSO VERY INVOLVED LOCALLY AND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AS WELL AS REAL ESTATE ISSUES. AS JUST ONE EXAMPLE. HE SERVES ON THE BOARD OF THE INDIAN RIVER. LAND TRUST. I WANT TO MOVE NOW QUICKLY THROUGH SEVERAL CASE STUDIES WHICH INFORM WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY OF STEWART. TO GIVE YOU A LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE THAT THIS IS NOT OUR FIRST RODEO. WE'VE WORKED ON VERY CHALLENGING SITES BEFORE THAT HAVE SIMILAR DNA TO THE SITE THAT STEWART HAS, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BRING BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE RE USE IN SHORT ORDER. THE FIRST PROJECT. I WANT TO TALK TO THE COMMISSION ABOUT INTO THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE LISTENING TO US HERE AND ONLINE. IS A FORMER LANDFILL SITE. ALSO OWNED BY THE MUNICIPALITY IN THE CITY OF. CORAL SPRINGS CITY, OF COURSE SPRING ZONE THE 16.2 ACRE SITE. AS YOU CAN SEE, JUST LIKE THE CITY OF STEWART SITE. IT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A HIGHLY DENSE. DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LOTS OF RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE. THIS WAS A SITE. THAT WAS SUBJECT TO ONGOING ENFORCEMENT LIKE THE CITY SITE HERE. THE CITY, OF COURSE SPRING SITE HAD A CONSENT DECREE. WITH THE CITY OF CROSS SPRINGS HAD A CONSENT DECREE WITH FTP. UNLIKE THE CITY OF STEWART CORAL SPRINGS, WASN'T COMPLYING WITH ITS OBLIGATIONS AND WAS ABOUT TO BE SUED UNDER STATE AND FEDERAL LAW BY THE COUNTY. COUNTY WAS ADMINISTERING THE STATE AND FEDERAL CLEANUP REGULATIONS. WE CAME IN, ACQUIRED THE SITE AND THEN AND INTO WHAT'S CALLED A BROWNFIELD SITE REHABILITATION AGREEMENT. THAT'S A STRATEGY WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. THE FLORIDA BROWNFIELDS PROGRAM PROVIDES INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPERS TO COLLABORATE WITH REGULATORY AGENCIES AS OPPOSED TO RESIST ENFORCEMENT. WE STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE VERY QUICKLY. AND IN SHORT ORDER, WE WERE ABLE TO GET A NFL LETTER.

FROM. THE COUNTY ON BEHALF OF THE STATE CLOSURE LETTER. IT'S ACTUALLY AN ORDER A SITE REHABILITATION COMPLETION ORDER UNLESS THAN TWO YEARS FROM THE DATE WE ACQUIRED THE SITE. AND WE ALSO CLOSED OUT THEIR LONG TERM GROUNDWATER MONITORING OBLIGATION. FOR THOSE WHO ARE FOLLOWING WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IN THE CITY OF STEWART. THE CITY ALSO HAS LONG TERM GROUNDWATER MONITORING OBLIGATIONS THAT STARTED. BACK IN 2000. WE TOOK THAT OBLIGATION OVER FOR THE CITY OF CORAL SPRINGS. WE COMPLETED THAT OBLIGATION SUCCESSFULLY, AND THIS LETTER IS EVIDENCE OF THAT. ONCE WE COMPLETED THE CLEANUP AND THE REGULATORY OBLIGATIONS, WE MOVED QUICKLY TO RE USE. WE HAVE AT LEAST A HALF A DOZEN OFFERS TO REDEVELOP THAT LANDFILL SITE JUST LIKE WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET WITH THE CITY OF STEWART'S SITE IF THE CITY IF THE COMMISSION DEEMS INAPPROPRIATE TO APPROVE. THE RESOLUTION. WE HAVE AT LEAST A HALF A DOZEN. INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPERS WHO WANT TO BUILD BETWEEN 202 150,000 SQUARE FEET OF INDUSTRIAL. ON THIS FORMER LANDFILL SITE THAT'S BEEN HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT FOR DECADES. THESE ARE JUST TWO OF THE SITE PLANS SUBMITTED BY DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS. THERE ARE OTHER REUSE OPTIONS THAT WERE CONSIDERING INCLUDING LOGISTICS RELATED FLEET PARKING. THAT'S ALSO A VERY VIABLE AND USE. THE SECOND SITE THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE CITY SITE IN TERMS OF ITS DNA, ITS ENVIRONMENTAL DNA, ITS REGULATORY DNA AND ITS REDEVELOPMENT CAPACITY DNA. IS A SITE THAT WE ACQUIRED. IN THE CITY OF WEST PALM BEACH. LIKE THIS. THIS CITY'S SITE. THAT SITE WAS ALSO OWNED BY THE CITY OF WEST PALM BEACH WAS OWNED BY MUNICIPALITY. IT WAS FIRST DEVELOPED IN THE 19 TWENTIES.

WHEN THE CITY OF WEST PALM BEACH IN PALM BEACH COUNTY TOWN OF PALM BEACH, RATHER PUT TWO INCINERATORS ON THAT SITE. A 20 TON INCINERATOR AND A 40 TON INCINERATOR. AND THEY RAN THAT INCINERATOR FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS. AND BURY THE INCINERATOR ASH ON THAT SITE. IN THE 19 FORTIES.

THE AIRPORT. BY THE WAY, OUR SIDE IS RIGHT HERE. ANOTHER HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT SIGHT.

THIS IS I 95. THIS IS BELVIDERE ROAD. THIS IS THE EXIT. THIS IS PALM BEACH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. AND HERE IS THE LITERAL FRONT PORCH TO THE AIRPORT. THIS IS THE SURFACE OF ROADWAY THAT GETS YOU INTO THE AIRPORT. IN THE 19 FORTIES, PALM BEACH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WAS MORRISON NAVAL AIRFIELD. THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE TOOK IT OVER. THEY STARTED UTILIZING THAT LANDFILL. AND RUMOR HAD IT THAT THERE WAS UNEXPLODED MILITARY ORDINANCE AS WELL AS MEDICAL WASTE. WE ACQUIRED THAT SITE. THREW UP AN AFFILIATED ENTITY

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CALLED THE GOLDSTEIN BROWNFIELDS GROUP. WE WERE CONVINCED THAT WE COULD ACCEPT THE ENVIRONMENTAL RISK WE DID. WE FOUND A LOT OF MEDICAL WASTE. WE DIDN'T FIND ANY UNEXPLODED ORDINANCE. LIKE THE CITY OF CROSS SPRING SITE. WE QUICKLY ENTERED INTO A SERIES OF CLEANUP AGREEMENTS WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION TO MEMORIALIZE LEGALLY OUR COMMITMENT TO CONDUCT THE CLEANUP CONSISTENT WITH APPLICABLE LAW. WE ENTERED INTO AGAIN A BROWNFIELD SITE REHABILITATION AGREEMENT. WE NEGOTIATED A. WASTE RELOCATION AND SOIL MANAGEMENT PLAN. THAT'S THE DOCUMENT WHEREBY DP MAKE SURE THAT YOU ENGAGE IN THE CHOREOGRAPHY OF DIGGING UP SOLID WASTE AND DIGGING UP DIRTY SOIL. AND DOING SO THAT'S FULLY PROTECTIVE OF HUMAN HEALTH AND THE ENVIRONMENT.

YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DOCUMENT WHEREVER YOU MOVE DIRTY SOIL. YOU REQUIRED TO MONITOR THE AIR, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A HEALTH AND SAFETY PLAN IN PLACE. AND THEN FINALLY, WE ENTERED INTO A CLEANUP PLAN REMEDIAL ACTION PLAN. WHICH WE IMPLEMENTED IN SHORT ORDER.

THESE NEXT PHOTOS SHOW WHAT WE DID ON THE SITE PHYSICALLY. TO SMOOTH OUT OVER 100,000 CUBIC YARDS OF INCINERATOR, ASH. CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION DEBRIS AND MEDICAL WASTE TO MAKE THE SITE READY FOR REDEVELOPMENT. AND THIS IS JUST. SOME OF THE PHOTO DOCUMENTATION OF THOSE ACTIVITIES THAT OCCURRED OVER A ONE YEAR PERIOD. EPA FINALLY WAS SO IMPRESSED WITH US WHEN THEY APPROVED OR COMPLETION REPORT. THEY SENT US A LETTER. THAT SAID. FORGIVE ME MY EYES FEEL ME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR OUTSTANDING COOPERATION IN THE REMEDIATION OF THE SITE THAT GOES TO SHOW WHAT KIND OF. OF PARTNER WE ARE WITH THE REGULATORY AGENCIES. WE MAKE REPRESENTATIONS. WE LIVE UP TO THOSE REPRESENTATIONS. AND THEN FINALLY, IN TERMS OF RE USE WHAT WAS A FALLOW SITE WITH WASTE? 25 FT ABOVE GROUND AND 15 FT. BELOW GROUND ULTIMATELY WAS GRADED AND CLEANED UP. WE STARTED WITH A LA LA ON THE CORNER. THIS IS A SIDE OF YOU WITH THE WA WA AND YOU CAN SEE THE SELF STORAGE FACILITY IN THE BACK. ANOTHER ELEVATION SHOWING THE SELF STORAGE FACILITY AND THEN OVER HERE, WE'VE GOT A MASSIVE DEALERSHIP. AND THIS SHOWS THE DEALERSHIP AS WELL ALONG AUSTRALIAN AVENUE, WHERE FOR OVER SIX DECADES THERE WAS NOTHING BUT UNCERTAINTY AND ACCESS TO AN UNCONTROLLED WASTE SITE. WE WERE QUICKLY WITH THE EP. WE CLEAN THE SITE UP. THE REDEVELOPMENT CAPITAL SPENT ON THE SITE APPROACHED $100 MILLION AND HAS CREATED HUNDREDS OF JOBS AND, OF COURSE ADDED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR THE LOCAL TAX REVENUES. THE FINAL SIDE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. IS SIMILAR TO THE STEWARTS SITE. NOT SO MUCH IN THAT IT WAS A LANDFILL SITE. IT WASN'T. THIS SITE HAD, UM, UH, SIGNIFICANT RELEASE OF CHLORINATED SOLVENTS FROM THE STORAGE OF. OF THOSE TYPES OF CHEMICALS IN CONNECTION WITH JANITORIAL BUSINESS. IT'S SIMILAR TO THE CITY SITE BECAUSE THIS STUART LANE FEEL ALSO HAS A CHLORINATED SOLVENT PROBLEM THAT HAS BEEN SUBJECT TO REMEDIATION AND MONITORING.

FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS NOW, LIKE THE OTHER TWO SITES, THIS IS A. A SITE THAT IS LOCATED IN A VERY DENSELY POPULATED PORTION OF MIAMI. THIS HAPPENS TO BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S ONE OF THE OLDEST AFRICAN AMERICAN NEIGHBORHOODS. IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. I'M SORRY IN THE CITY OF MIAMI, SUBJECT TO TREMENDOUS DISINVESTMENT. WE ACQUIRED THE SITE. WE ENTERED INTO A CLEANUP AGREEMENT WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION. WE ACTUALLY APPLIED FOR A GRANT TO THE U. S, EPA AND EP FOR CLEANUP, WHICH WAS APPROVED. THAT'S THIS LETTER HERE. THIS SHOWS THESE PICTURES SHOW SOME OF THE CLEANUP ACTIVITIES THAT OCCURRED. WE NOT ONLY EXCAVATED SOIL. WE. STUCK HOLES. WE DRILLED HOLES.

THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SITE AND OFF SITE AND INJECTED CERTAIN PROTEINS AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT VEGETABLE OIL IN A PROPRIETARY MIX OF WHAT ARE CALLED AMENDMENTS. AS A WAY TO CLEAN UP THE CHLORINATED SOLVENTS WHEN WE STARTED TESTING FOR THE EXTENT OF CONTAMINATION. BACK IN FEBRUARY. THIS IS, UM. REPRESENTATION OF THE EXTENT OF THE PLUME IN THE ONE OF THE INTERVALS. MY EYES ARE FAILING ME SO I CAN'T SEE WHETHER THAT'S SHALLOW OR DEEP. BUT WE STARTED. WITH THIS EXTENT OF THE CONTAMINATION. THIS IS OFF SITE. IN FEBRUARY AND THEN IN

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JULY, AFTER ALL OF OUR REMEDIATION, YOU MIGHT SEE A LITTLE GREEN CIRCLE HERE.

THAT'S ALL THAT'S LEFT. WE DESTROYED ABOUT 99. OF THE CONTAMINATION AT THAT LEVEL. OF.

OF THE OF THE OF THE AWKWARD FOR. I'M IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER SOME OF THESE SLIDES. THIS SLIDES DISCUSS THE SPECIFICS OF OUR REMEDIATION, A SHORT TERM REMEDIATION EVENT AND THEN A LONG TERM REMEDIATION EVENT. HERE'S THE RE USE. KEEP IN MIND. THIS WAS A SITE IN AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE COMMUNITY SUBJECT TO TREMENDOUS DISINVESTMENT THAT NO ONE WANTED TO TOUCH BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL RISK. WE ACQUIRED IT. WE CLEANED IT UP. WE NOW HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE SEVENTH LARGEST. PORT APARTMENT PORTFOLIO OWNER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD 612 ATTAINABLE UNITS. IN 2 20 STORY BUILDINGS WITH ALMOST 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL. IT'S A $140 MILLION INVESTMENT IN THIS PROPERTY WHERE THERE HAD BEEN NONE. FOR OVER 30 YEARS. OKAY I WANT TO TURN NOW AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CITY SITE. AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL SITUATION AT THE CITY SITE. EXCUSE ME, MR. GOLDSTEIN? YES, MA'AM. MR KITE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN UNTIL YOUR OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO UH, MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW THIS, BUT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC THAT DOESN'T. THE SITE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS REFERRED TO AS THE OLD STUART LANDFILL. IT WAS INITIALLY USED BY MARTIN COUNTY. AND THEN IT WAS CONVEYED TO THE CITY IN 1962.

THE SITE WAS USED TO DISPOSE OF MUNICIPAL WASTES ESSENTIALLY FROM 1950. THE 1980, BUT IT CONTINUED TO ACCEPT WASTEWATER SLUDGE. UNTIL 1987 THAT COMES INTO PLAY IN A FEW MOMENTS. THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 62 ACRES. I BELIEVE WE'RE TAKING APPROXIMATELY 50. PURSUANT TO THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT. WE HAVE SOLID WASTE AND SLUDGE IS FROM THE CITY'S WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL INDUSTRIAL WASTES IN THE LANDFILL. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW TO DATE. AND THEN THE TYPES OF CHEMICALS WE SEE ARE THOSE THAT ARE NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE CHEMICALS THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH. AT THE THREE PROJECTS THAT I JUST MENTIONED, INCLUDING CORONATED SOLVENTS. PETROLEUM HYDROCARBONS AND VARIOUS METALS, INCLUDING ARSENIC. THERE'S ALSO NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MEDICAL WASTE AT THIS SITE. WHICH WAS REFLECTED IN SOME OF THE CITY'S DOCUMENTS. AND AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH WHICH I DEMONSTRATED AT OUR WEST PALM BEACH SITE, WHICH WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL. REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT, THE CITY ALSO SIMILAR TO SOME OF OUR OTHER SITES WE TALKED ABOUT. HAS ENTERED INTO NOT ONE CONSENT DECREE WITH GDP BUT TO CONSENT DECREES. THE FIRST ONE WAS IN 1980 THE SECOND ONE WAS IN 1991, AND ACTUALLY, THE SECOND ONE WAS AMENDED IN 19. 97. IN 2000 AND 20. DP WROTE TO THE CITY AND SAID, IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THIS OTHER STUFF THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING AND THANK YOU FOR DOING IT. WE'VE DISCOVERED THAT THE CITY HAS ANOTHER PROBLEM. WHICH THE CITY THE COMMISSIONERS MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE OF, AND THAT'S P. FOSS. OKAY, UM THIS IS NOT TO BE UNEXPECTED. BECAUSE AND I'LL FAST FORWARD TO THE END OF THE STORY. THERE'S P FOSS EVERYWHERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. EVERYWHERE THERE'S A FIRE TRAINING CENTER OR A FIRE STATION OR AN AIRPORT WITH A FIRE COMPONENT. YOU'VE GOT P. FOSS ANYWHERE. THERE'S A LANDFILL. YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE P FOSTER. BECAUSE. NOT ONLY IS IT UBIQUITOUS IN ALL KINDS OF HUMAN HOUSEHOLD PRODUCTS. THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT LEVEL OF UPTAKE IN OUR BLOODSTREAMS. FROM EXPERT YOU BECAME UBIQUITOUS EXPOSURE TO ALL OF THESE P FAST CONTAINING MATERIALS. AND SO THE MATERIALS GET EXCRETED OUT IN OUR WAISTS. AND COLLECTED IN WASTEWATER TREATMENT SYSTEM BIOSOLIDS WE HAVE A LOT OF WASTE WATER. TREATMENT SLUDGE AT THE LANDFILL. I PROMISED YOU I WOULD TIE THE TWO TOGETHER, SO THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR. GOING FORWARD AND WE ACQUIRE THE LANDFILL IF WE DO IF THE COMMISSION DEEMS IT APPROPRIATE. THAT'S A COST IN A CHALLENGE WE ARE WILLING TO TAKE ON. THIS IS A PAGE FROM DPS REPORT ISSUED AND. WHAT'S THE DATE ON THAT? I CAN'T SEE THAT FAR. THAT'S 19 4020. 2021 A VERY RECENT REPORT THAT DP ISSUED AND SENT TO THE CITY.

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ALONG WITH THE LETTER SAYING. YOU GUYS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE P FAST. UP HERE AT THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER. I THINK IT'S UP HERE AGAIN. I CAN'T SEE THAT FAR. THE STANDARD THE CLEANUP STANDARD AND GROUNDWATER IS 70 PARTS PER TRILLION. AT THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER. YOU HAVE IT AT OVER 33,000 PARTS PER TRILLION. IT'S A HUGE NUMBER. AT THE LANDFILL. WE HAVE IT AT. I SAY WE BECAUSE WE FEEL VERY PROPRIETARY ABOUT IT ALREADY. WE HAVE IT IN THE HUNDREDS OF PARTS PER TRILLION, AND THE STATE SEEMS TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A SEPARATE SOURCE. SO WHEN WE ACQUIRE THE LANDFILL WILL BE RESPONSIBLE. FOR CLEANING UP THE P FAST, OKAY? THE COST OF CLEANUP IS JUST AND I'M CONCLUDING SHORTLY. I APPRECIATE YOU BEARING WITH ME.

IT'S AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY, AND WE WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE OUR SERIOUSNESS OF PURPOSE BY GIVING YOU A VERY DETAILED PRESENTATION. AND TRYING TO ANTICIPATE YOUR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. THE COST OF CLEANUP CANNOT BE UM. CALCULATED AT THIS POINT, THERE ISN'T ENOUGH DATA TO DO THAT. WE'RE GOING TO SPEND LIKELY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AGAIN IF YOU DEEM IT APPROPRIATE TO GO TO CONTRACT WITH US TO INVESTIGATE THE SCOPE OF ALL OF THESE ISSUES AND COME UP WITH VARIOUS. PRECISE CLEANUP COSTS. AND OF COURSE, ALL OF THAT DATA WILL BE THE CITY SO THAT IF WE DON'T CLOSE, YOU'LL HAVE THE BENEFIT OF ALL OF THAT. THE UH, EFFORT THAT WE'VE GONE TO AT OUR EXPENSE. SEVEN AND APART FROM THE COST OF CLEAN UP AND THIS IS WHAT I WANT THE COMMISSION TO FOCUS ON BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE GRAND PRICE THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THIS ASSET. AND I RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD LOOK PAST THE GRAND PRICE OF WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THIS ASSET SPOILER ALERT. IT'S $100 TO WHAT WE WILL BE SPENDING. TO BRING THIS SITE BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE REUSE. BECAUSE IT'S A LANDFILL. THERE ARE CERTAIN CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT COSTS THAT GET INCURRED AT ANY DEVELOPMENT SITE. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE TODAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT PROPER. WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON OR THE INCREMENTAL COSTS THE DISTINCT COST THE PARTICULAR COSTS THAT ONLY APPLY TO A LANDFILL. AND THAT TO US IS THE VALUE THE REAL CONSIDERATION THAT THE CITY IS GETTING FROM US. AS A RESULT OF OUR PROPOSAL. THIS IS MONEY THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO SPEND. BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IT IN OUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS ARE GOING TO SPEND IT. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THOSE COSTS ARE GENERICALLY. AND HOW THEY MAY LOOK AT THIS SITE SPECIFICALLY, OKAY, KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE ARE BACK OF THE ENVELOPE ESTIMATES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT IN CONTRACT WE HAVEN'T SPENT ANY. WE HAVEN'T SPENT DOLLAR ONE YET. ON DOING OUR OWN PROPRIETARY TESTS AND FILLING IN THE GAPS THAT EXIST.

THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO BE MORE PRECISE ABOUT ACTUAL COSTS. HAVING SAID THAT WHEN YOU BUILD ON A LANDFILL, YOU CAN'T BUILD ON THE LANE FILL THE WAY THAT SHE WENT ON A REGULAR SIGHT ON A REGULAR SIGHT. YOU'VE GOT A NICE FLAT. PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS GENERALLY STABLE. WHEN YOU BUILD ON A LANDFILL. IT'S LIKE THE PROPERTY IS DRUNK. IT'S LISTING FROM SIDE TO SIDE.

AND IF YOU PUT A FLAT SLAB ON A LANDFILL WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, IT'S GOING TO SETTLE.

DEFERENTIALLY AND IT'S THE SLABS GOING TO CRACK. THE BUILDING IS GOING TO FALL DOWN.

IT'S GOING TO BE A DISASTER. SO TYPICALLY WHAT YOU DO. AS YOU EITHER DYNAMICALLY COMPACT, THE SITE. WHERE YOU DROP A HEAVY BALL ON THE SITE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL IT'S ALL OF THE WASTE HAS BEEN SMUSHED OR CONSOLIDATED. OR YOU TURN IT INTO A DOCK. LITERALLY YOU BUILD ON PIERS. FOR A SITE LIKE THIS MIGHT BE, I GUESS. WE HAVEN'T ENGAGED THESE WONDERFUL CONSULTANTS I MENTIONED AT THE TOP OF THE PRESENTATION. CAN WE HORN AND LANGAN AND SHE WASN'T SICK WHO HAVE DONE HUNDREDS OF THESE? MY GUESS IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE BUILDING ON PIERS ON THIS SITE. IT'S 50 ACRES OF SOLID WASTE DOWN TO 15 FT. MAYBE MORE. THAT ANSWER 15 TO $30 PER SQUARE FOOT. THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND. ON A SITE THAT DOESN'T HAVE LANDFILL CONDITIONS. THAT'S NOT THE CITY'S COST. THAT'S GOLDSTEIN KITE ENVIRONMENTAL COSTS, OKAY.

AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH JUST DOING THE POUNDING OF THE SITE TO COMPACT. IT.

SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO DO BOTH. AND THERE'S THE GOOD THAT'S A GOOD ROUGH ESTIMATE FOR UNIT RATE FOR DYNAMIC COMPACTION SHOULD BE $1 TO $2 PER SQUARE FOOT. ON TOP OF THAT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD ON SOLID WASTE. THAT HAS AN ORGANIC COMPONENT LIKE THIS, LIKE THIS LANDFILL DOES WHERE YOU HAVE TREES AND YARD WASTE. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU BURY ORGANIC WASTE? IT DECOMPOSES IT GENERATES METHANE. YOU CAN'T PUT A STRUCTURE ON TOP OF A SITE THAT CREATES THAT GENERATES METHANE. WITHOUT NOT. BUILDING A BARRIER TO PREVENT THE METHANE FROM

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GETTING INSIDE THE BUILDING. BECAUSE IF YOU DO THE BUILDING BLOWS UP. THIS IS A COMMON LANDFILL PRACTICE FOR DEALING WITH, UM UM, THE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH METHANE AND ADDS 2 TO $5, A SQUARE FOOT. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THIS SITE? WE DID THE BACK OF THE ENVELOPE ANALYSIS THAT MIGHT HELP US WITH THE LAND PLANNING PERSPECTIVE. WE'VE GOT A 50 ACRE SITE. WE TAKE OUT OUR SETBACKS OUR ATTENTION, ETCETERA. WE THINK WE'LL END UP WITH 35 TO 45 4 35 TO 40% FOR BUILDING COVERAGE. THAT GIVES US BETWEEN 760, 53,000 AND 871,000 SQUARE FEET. WHEN YOU MULTIPLY THOSE THOSE COSTS THAT I JUST MENTIONED. YOU END UP WITH INCREMENTAL COSTS. BETWEEN 11,000,011 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ON THE LOW END. $26 MILLION ON THE HIGH END. THAT'S TO BUILD ON PILINGS. YOU'VE GOT 1,523,000 ON THE LOW END AND 1.7 MILLION ON THE HIGH END. TO DYNAMICALLY COMPACT THIS SITE. AND TO PREVENT THE BUILDINGS FROM BLOWING UP BY BUILDING BY CONSTRUCTING METHANE BARRIERS BETWEEN 1.5 MILLION ON THE LOW END. AND 5.2 MILLION ON THE HIGH END AGAIN. THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE BARE MINIMUM NECESSARY TO BRING THIS SITE BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE RE USE. THAT ARE ONLY NECESSARY BECAUSE IT'S A LANDFILL. THAT'S OUR COST. THAT'S NOT THE CITY'S COST. THAT'S OUR TRUE PURCHASE PRICE. FINALLY. THE CITY ENGAGED ITS OWN CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT RE USE. AT ONE POINT IN TIME THE CITY WAS LOOKING AT. NOT THAT LONG AGO, 2019 REDEVELOPING EIGHT ACRES OF THE 50 ACRE SITE. SO THEY HAD TO CITY HIRED THIS FIRM TO COME UP WITH AN ANALYSIS OF THE PERMITTING ISSUES. THE DEVELOPMENT ISSUES THE INCREMENTAL COST ISSUES. AND WHAT THEY FOUND IS THAT FOR EIGHT ACRES THE INCREMENTAL COST. COULD RANGE UP TO $5 MILLION. I'VE GOT THE VARIOUS ELEMENTS FOR WASTE RELOCATION ON SITE. DYNAMIC IMPACT SHIN AND WASTE REMOVAL. WHAT WE DID IS WE USE THE CITY'S OWN CONSULTANT. LIKE CITIES, CONSULTANT'S ANALYSIS AND UNIT RATES TO EXTRAPOLATE A COST OVER 50 ACRES. AND WHAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS 8.4 MILLION ON THE LOW END AND 14.14 MILLION AND CHANGE ON THE HIGH END. SO EVEN IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE OUR NUMBERS. 11 TO 26 7 63 TO 1.7 AND 1.5 TO 5.7. LOOKING AT THE CITY'S CONSULTANT'S ANALYSIS EXTRAPOLATED OVER 50 ACRES. THERE'S STILL A MAJOR PREMIUM THAT SOMEONE HAS TO PAY. THAT'S THE TRUE PURCHASE PRICE. THAT'S WHAT THE CITY SAVES BECAUSE WE'RE SPENDING THAT MONEY. THE CITY IS NOT SPENDING THAT MONEY. I WANT TO GO THROUGH SOME KEY ENVIRONMENTAL PROVISION IN THE CONTRACT BRIEFLY. BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONCERN ABOUT WHAT THE CITY'S AGREEING TO. THE FIRST THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT WE ARE RELEASING THE CITY FROM ALL ENVIRONMENTAL COSTS, RESPONSIBILITIES, CLAIMS ONCE WE CLOSE ON THIS SITE. THERE IS NO WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK OR CAN WE COME BACK LEGALLY TO SUE THE CITY OR TO TRY AND RECOVER ANY OF OUR COSTS? ALL OF THIS IS ON US.

THIS IS WHAT WE DO FOR A LIVING. WE HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF TOLERANCE FOR THIS ENVIRONMENTAL RISK AND THE ABILITY TO UNDERWRITE IT. IF WE CLOSE, WE'RE NOT COMING BACK TO THE CITY LOOKING TO HAVE THE CITY RIGHT AS A CHECK. IN ADDITION, THERE'S NO INDEMNIFICATION. THE CITY IS NOT INDEMNIFYING US FOR ANY OF OUR COSTS. IF WE GET SUED, THAT'S ON US. IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DEFEND THAT LAWSUIT. SO IT'S A COMPLETE ENVIRONMENTAL RELEASE. THERE'S NO ENVIRONMENTAL INDEMNIFICATION WHATSOEVER.

MOREOVER, BY CONTRACT AS WELL AS BY LAW. WE ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO CLEAN THIS SIDE UP.

TO THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS ALLOWABLE UNDER STATE LAW, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY IS DOING. NOW THE CITY IS SUBJECT TO CLEAN UP OBLIGATIONS. UNDER STATE LAW BECAUSE IT OWNS THE LANDFILL. AND THE CITY IS USING WHAT'S CALLED RISK BASED CORRECTIVE ACTION TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF CLEANUP STANDARDS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE PARTICULAR LAND USE. THAT IS CLASSIC ENVIRONMENTAL REDEVELOPMENT. IT IS AN EFFICIENT WAY TO PROCEED, AND IT CONSERVES DOLLARS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE SPELLED. NEEDLESS SPENT NEEDLESSLY OVER ADDRESSING IN AN ENVIRONMENTAL. I'M GOING TO CUT TO THE QUICK A LITTLE BIT. THERE'S ONE LAST PROVISION. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HERE, AND THAT'S THIS. WE HAVE, UH, LANGUAGE THAT REQUIRES COOPERATION BY THE CITY IN THE APPLICATION FOR GRANTS. THERE WAS ONE GRANT IN PARTICULAR THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON. IT'S PART OF OUR ETHIC UNDER GOLDSTEIN, KIND ENVIRONMENTAL

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AND OUR COMMITMENT TO ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. THERE IS A GRANT WINDOW THAT CLOSES VERY SHORTLY. IT'S OCTOBER 5TH FOR WORKFORCE TRAINING. OKAY AND I HAVE SOME LANGUAGE HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE GRANT AND THE PURPOSE OF THE GRANT. RELATIVE. TO WORKFORCE TRAINING.

ESSENTIALLY THESE ARE GATEWAY FINANCIAL OPPORTUNITIES. TO BRING THE UNEMPLOYED AND THE UNDEREMPLOYED IN THE MUNICIPALITY INTO THE NEW GREEN ECONOMY. IT REQUIRES THE APPLICATION BY EITHER FIVE OH ONE C THREE NOT FOR PROFIT OR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT BEST CASE SCENARIO. IT'S A COALITION OF BOTH. WE HAVE AN AFFILIATED, NOT FOR PROFIT CALLED THE GOLDSTEIN BROWNFIELDS FOUNDATION THAT I STARTED IN 2000 AND EIGHT WE'VE LONG BEEN DEDICATED TO SUPPORTING ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE COMMUNITIES AND ADVOCATES. WE THINK. NOT ONLY IS THIS SITE A GREAT SITE FOR REDEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S A GREAT SPRINGBOARD FOR OTHER RELATED SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVES AND EQUITY INITIATIVES, INCLUDING ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. THROUGH WORKFORCE TRAINING. WE ARE READY TO SWING INTO ACTION AND DO ALL THE PAPERWORK NECESSARY TO APPLY FOR THIS WORKFORCE TRAINING, DRINK GRANT AND BRING IN AT LEAST $200,000 IN FEDERAL FUNDING. TO AGAIN ALLOW THE UNEMPLOYED AND THE UNDEREMPLOYED ACCESS TO THE NEW GREEN ECONOMY THROUGH THE REDEVELOPMENT HERE AND AS AN ASIDE WHAT I'LL SAY THAT I NEED TO ADD. TO OUR COMMITMENT BY NOTING THAT WHATEVER DEVELOPER WE VERTICAL DEVELOPER WE BRING AS A PARTNER HERE. THEY WERE GOING TO BE CLEARLY STATED EXPECTATIONS MEMORIALIZED IN WRITING THAT SPEAK TO HIRING FROM THE LOCAL WORKFORCE FROM USING LOCAL CONTRACTORS. A G K E, UM NOT ONLY DO WE LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO APPLY FOR FEDERAL AND STATE GRANTS, WHICH WE'VE DONE SUCCESSFULLY AND TO ENCOURAGE AND REQUIRE OUR CONTRACTORS. TO SUPPORT LOCAL WORKFORCE AND LOCAL CONTRACTORS, BUT WE TAKE A PERCENTAGE OF OUR UPSIDE AND THROUGH THE FOUNDATION WE LOOK TO FURTHER INVEST IN E. J. STAKEHOLDERS.

IT'S WHAT ENVIRONMENTAL REDEVELOPMENT IS ALL ABOUT AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL. UM.

ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE AT THE TOP OF THE PRESENTATION I MENTIONED WERE FOCUSED NOT ONLY ON LIMITING OUR EXPOSURE TO LIABILITY, BUT THE CITY'S EXPOSURE TO LIABILITY. WE'VE COVENANT ID TO PROCURE ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE HERE. AND THEY USE OUR BEST EFFORTS TO GET THE CITY ON OUR SAME POLICY AND GET THEM THE SAME AMOUNT OF COVERAGE THAT WE ARE GETTING FOR OURSELVES. ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE. IS RECOGNIZED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL BY U. S EPA AS AN EFFECTIVE TOOL. TO BRING IMPACTED SITES BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE RE USE AND PROTECT CAPITAL. WE WORK AGAIN WITH HIGHLAND, WITH WHOM WE FEEL IS ONE OF THE BEST ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE AGENTS IN THE COUNTRY. THE HIGHEST RATED ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE, THE HIGHEST RATED INSURANCE PROVIDERS IN THE COUNTRY, OR PROVIDING ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE AND HAVE BEEN FOR DECADES. FINALLY WE'RE ON THE GLIDE PATH. NOW AS WE GO FORWARD AND REDEVELOP THIS SITE, WE ARE VERY IN TUNE AND FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THE GUIDANCE THAT EXISTS AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL. TO BUILD ON OLD LANDFILL SITES. THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS ITS OWN WEB PAGE FOR BENEFICIAL REUSABLE LANDFILLS AND A GUIDANCE DOCUMENT THAT WAS RECENTLY UPDATED IN 2019. THAT WERE VERY FAMILIAR WITH. THIS DOCUMENT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS A FEDERAL GUIDANCE DOCUMENT THAT TALKS ABOUT BUILDING ON LANDFILLS IN A WAY TO MITIGATE AGAINST THE VAPOR INTRUSION RISK AND PREVENT BUILDINGS FROM BLOWING UP. THIS IS A FEDERAL DOCUMENT THAT COMES OUT OF THE SUPERFUND PROGRAM. OUR SITE IS NOT A SUPERFUND SITE. THESE ARE A SERIES OF CASE STUDIES THAT TALK ABOUT THE WAYS IN WHICH YOU CAN 66 SUCCESSFULLY BUILD ON AND REUSED CAPPED SITES, WHICH IS WHAT THIS SITE WILL ULTIMATELY BE. WE'RE FOCUSED ON STORMWATER AS PART OF POLLUTION PREVENTION GOING FORWARD, AND THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC PROTOCOLS AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL FOR DESIGNING STORM WATER INFILTRATION ON ENVIRONMENTAL, ENVIRONMENTALLY IMPAIRED SITES. WE FOLLOW ALL OF THE STATE AND FEDERAL GUIDANCE. THIS IS A, UH, DRAFT GUIDANCE DOCUMENT AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT CAME OUT ABOUT A YEAR AGO. AND MEETING WITH THE U COMMISSIONERS, AT LEAST WITH ONE COMMISSIONER. I TALKED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCORPORATE URBAN FARMING. AT THIS SITE AS PART OF RE USE, WHICH IS VERY MUCH OF A BEST BROWNFIELDS REDEVELOPMENT PRACTICE. RENEWABLE ENERGY ON CAPPED LANDFILL SITES IS AN

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EXCITING OPPORTUNITY FOR US IN TERMS OF RE USE. IT'S A SECONDARY OPTION WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT ONE THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE SERIOUSLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EPA, IN PARTICULAR THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY. OR HEAVILY INVESTED IN BRINGING IMPAIRED SITES BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE REUSE. THROUGH THE PRODUCTION OF RENEWABLE ENERGY. AND THEN FINALLY. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS AGAIN. I MENTIONED IT A FEW TIMES. WE ARE. FOCUSED NOT JUST ON THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE PROPERTY ON LIVING UP TO THE BARGAIN THAT WE MAKE WITH THE CITY IN ENSURING THAT ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH PROTECTION IS ADDRESSED. AND UM THAT ANY EXPOSURE TO SENSITIVE RECEPTORS ADULTS, CHILDREN, OCCUPANTS, LONGTIME EMPLOYEES IS MITIGATED. WERE CONCERNED ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE GREATER COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FINANCIAL UPSIDE. THESE NOTIONS OF STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT AND ENGAGEMENT ARE PART AND PARCEL OF OUR ETHIC. AN ENVIRONMENTAL REDEVELOPMENT. IT'S UH, CULTURE THAT I WAS BROUGHT UP IN AND HELP PROMOTE STARTING 30 YEARS AGO IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

THESE DOCUMENTS THAT I'VE INCLUDED JUST FOR REFERENCE, SPEAK TO THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES IN THIS REGARD. BROWNFIELD STAKEHOLDER FORM KIT. AND THEN FINALLY, WE'VE GOT. UM LOTS OF GOOD STRATEGIES TO WORK WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO LIMIT THE CITY'S EXPOSURE TO LIABILITY AS WELL AS YOURS. THAT IS OUR PRESENTATION. YOU'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT WITH ME. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY, AMERICA.

THANK YOU, MR GOLD. SEE MR MCDONALD'S COMMISSION MCDONALD. YEAH HE, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THIS, SO I THINK THAT. I'M OFF TO A GREAT START, SO I DO HAVE A JUST A COUPLE FIRST, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS IN A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. WHAT? I LOVE THE IDEA THAT TRYING TO WORK IN THE GREEN ECONOMY AND THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. AND A LOT OF TIME WORKING OUT THROUGH OUR BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD, SO I THINK THAT'S EXCITING. BUT, UM. JUST ON JUST MY QUESTION IS MORE THAN A COUPLE OF CONTRACTUAL ISSUES ONE AND I'LL JUST TAKE THE EASY ONE. UH, BECAUSE IT'S JUST MORE OF A COMMENT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU GUYS PAID TITLE, BUT I'M GOING TO GET TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL. UH THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADDENDUM. AND MY. I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN. UH MAYBE NOT MY ONLY KIND OF MY CONSERVATIVE REAL CONCERN IS UM, I'M ACTUALLY. UH PRETTY SATISFIED THAT ONCE YOU GUYS CLOSE, YOU GUYS SOUNDS LIKE YOU DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB. JUST TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF EXCESS SUCCESSES. HAVE YOU HAD ANY FAILURES? I HAVEN'T BEEN SUED YET IN 30 YEARS AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL LAWYER, OKAY ON THE REDEVELOPMENT SIDE, WE HAVEN'T. WE HAVEN'T STUMBLED BECAUSE WE PICK VERY, VERY CAREFULLY. OKAY WE'RE VERY CAREFUL IN HOW WE IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES, PURSUE OPPORTUNITIES AND THE DILIGENCE THAT WE CONDUCT. OKAY SO RUN ME THROUGH THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT. SO YOU'RE GOING TO START YOUR FEASIBILITY STUDY AND YOUR 275 DAY DUE DILIGENCE, PERIOD.

UM WHEN. WHEN YOU DO THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO BORING SAMPLES. MAYBE DIG A COUPLE HOLES. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'M GUESSING. AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ENGINEERS DOING STUDIES LOOKING COMPACTION TEST. I'M GUESSING ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. WHEN IS IT THAT YOU APPLY TO THE FOUR DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION FOR THE REMEDIAL ACTION PLAN? IS THAT AFTER YOUR FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND AFTER YOU CLOSE OKAY, SO THAT'S A THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. I'LL TRY AND BE BRIEF. YOU'RE REALLY TOUCHING ON ONE OF MY FAVORITE SUBJECTS.

AND AS YOU KNOW, I CAN GO ON AND ON. THE WORK THAT WE DO DURING DUE DILIGENCE. THE PHASE ONE INVESTIGATION, WHICH IS NON INVASIVE, AND THE PHASE TWO, WHICH IS INVASIVE. YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, IN PART, THE SOIL BORING. THE SOILS TEST FOR GEOTECHNICAL PURPOSES, THE GROUNDWATER TESTING. THAT'S A DUE DILIGENCE, TRANSACTIONAL BASED PROCESS. WHEN A PARTY CLOSES ON PROPERTY AND TAKES OWNERSHIP OF CONTAMINATED LAND.

THE RULES CHANGE. AND A VERY EXACTING STANDARD AND PROCESS KICKS IN UNDER STATE LAW. THAT REQUIRES A DIFFERENT TYPE OF FACE TO INVESTIGATION. IT'S CALLED SITE ASSESSMENT. THE PHASE TWO INVESTIGATION IS THUMB TO THE WIND. DOES THIS FEEL RIGHT? DO WE HAVE A SENSE FOR WHAT'S GOING ON? WHEN YOU BUY THE PROPERTY AND YOU ENGAGE INFORMAL CLEAN UP WITH THE REGULATORS, WHICH YOU DON'T DO UNTIL YOU HAVE OWNERSHIP. THEN YOU LOSE CONTROL OF THE PROCESS.

THE STATE CONTROLS THE PROCESS. THERE ARE CERTAIN POINTS THAT YOU HAVE TO GET TO IN ORDER FOR

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THE STATE TO SAY. WE AGREE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT CONTAMINATION HERE HOW WIDESPREAD IT IS AND HOW DEEP IT IS. ONCE THAT PROCESS IS DONE, AND COMMISSIONER HERE'S WHY I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. WE ARE THEN APPROVED TO PREPARE A CLEANUP PLAN LIKE WE'VE DONE SEVERAL TIMES AS I DEMONSTRATED THAT AFTER YOU CLOSE YES, SIR. HERE, HERE'S. YOU KNOW WHAT I WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS, UM. IS THAT DURING YOUR I GUESS YOUR FACE TO YOUR EVASIVE PORTION OF YOUR FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WE OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS YOU LOOK AT THIS AND GO.

YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS REALLY BAD. AND BUT BECAUSE YOU'VE OPENED IT UP AND STARTED NOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH VERY EXPENSIVE CLEANUP AND. OH AND THERE'S AND YOU'RE GONE BECAUSE FOR TWO INTO THE CONTRACTOR, RELIABILITY IS GONE, AND WE'RE STUCK WITH A BIG HAVING TO DO SOMETHING COME UP SCRAMBLE TO HOW TO SO I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. WHAT PARDON? I SAID, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. YEAH THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. I WANT TO GET SOME JUST ASSURANCE IS SURE TO GET ME TO FEEL GOOD. THAT'S A GREAT INSIGHT AND SMART OBSERVATION. UNFORTUNATELY IT'S THE NATURE OF SELLING A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

RIGHT NO, BY OR NO SOPHISTICATED BUYERS, SPECIALLY FOR AN ASSET LIKE THIS. IS GOING TO CLOSE WITH ONE EYE OPEN, RIGHT? IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ANY BUYER ESPECIALLY A BUYER, LIKE US. WHO WAS GOING TO KNOWINGLY ACCEPT ALL OF THIS COST AND RISK HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING FOR WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH. I SAY THIS RESPECTFULLY, NOT PROVOCATIVELY.

NOT RESPECTFULLY. I MEAN, RESPECTFULLY, NOT PROVOCATIVELY. THE CITY ALREADY. HAS A. ABSOLUTE LIABILITY FOR WHATEVER ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS EXIST AT THIS SITE. THE THERE HAVE BEEN. 20 YEARS WORTH. THERE HAS BEEN 20 YEARS WORTH OF MONITORING HERE. OF THE NON P FAST ISSUES AND BY AND LARGE THAT'S GONE SPECTACULARLY.

WELL, IN FACT, THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT I'VE SEEN RECENT CORRESPONDENTS IN THE DP FILE INDICATES THAT THAT CLEANUP MAY BE COMING TO A CONCLUSION. UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE GOT THIS P. FOSS ISSUE. WE'RE ACTUALLY VERY FAMILIAR AT THE PEAK PEOPLE SITUATIONS WHICH THE CITY CAN AVOID RIGHT, SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT I EXPECT TO FIND HERE. THAT WERE NOT ALREADY AWARE OF. IT'S A IT'S A MATTER OF FILLING IN FOR US THE DATA GAPS TO UNDERSTAND THE EXTENT OF THE PROBLEM. SO THAT WE CAN BETTER UNDERWRITE THE COST. I'VE LOOKED AT A LOT OF LANDFILLS IN MY LIFE. THIS IS A VERY CONVENTIONAL MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE LANDFILL AND SO BACK TO, I GUESS MY ORIGINAL QUESTION. THE ROOMMATE. THE APPLICATION FOR THE REMEDIAL ACTION WHEN THE IS ACTUALLY AFTER YOU CLOSE. IT IS. OKAY SO THAT'S WHEN YOU START THE STATE PROCESS. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, UM WELL, I GOT A COUPLE. WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CATCHING ON MY NOTES HERE, BRO. AND SO THEN, ONCE YOU. ONCE YOU START THAT REMEDIAL ACTION PLAN, THAT'S WHEN YOU WHO ARE I GUESS YOU. DO THE YOU COME GOING UNDER AND WITH THE STATE, THE BROWNFIELD SITE REHABILITATION AGREEMENT AND THE, UH IN THE SITE REHAB COMPLETION ORDER WITH CONDITIONS. SO THE SITE REHABILITATION COMPLETION ORDER. MANY COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE HEARD THE TERM GENERIC GENERIC TERM CALLED AN FA LETTER. OKAY, NO FURTHER ACTION LETTER. THAT'S COMMISSIONER. WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? IT'S ACTUALLY AN ORDER. IT'S NOT A LETTER. IT'S AN ORDER AND IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THEY USE A SPECIFIC TERM CALLED THE SITE REHABILITATION COMPLETION ORDER THAT COMES AT THE END OF THE PROCESS. YOU CONDUCT THE ASSESSMENT. YOU SUBMIT THE REMEDIAL ACTION PLAN. YOU IMPLEMENT THE REMEDIAL ACTION PLAN, AND WHEN YOU MEET ALL OF THE ENDPOINTS FOR CLEAN UP, THEN YOU GET TO APPLY FOR THIS CLOSURE ORDER. OKAY AND THEN WHILE YOU'RE DOING YOUR FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE CLEANUP. ARE YOU? ARE YOU GOING TO BE DOING? YOUR UH, SITE PLANNING REVIEW? DISCUSS THEIR FEASIBILITY FAR AS WHAT YOUR USE IS GOING TO BE FURTHER.

ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY. OKAY 100% WILL YOU BE GOING THROUGH FULL SITE PLAN REVIEW DURING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH FULL SITE PLAN REVIEW, BUT WE WILL BE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH YOUR EXCELLENT PROFESSIONAL STAFF. THE CITY MANAGER, THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, THE CITY ATTORNEY COMMISSIONER, LET ME THROW THIS OUT HERE. WE ARE CERTAINLY WILLING TO AGREE. THAT WE WILL NOT SUBMIT ANY OF OUR DATA. TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION WITHOUT THE CITY'S CONSENT. AND FURTHERMORE, WE'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR A THIRD PARTY REVIEW. OF OUR DATA BY AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT. IN

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OTHER WORDS THE CITY CAN HIRE WHATEVER CONSULTANT THEY WANT TO REVIEW OUR REPORT WILL PAY FOR IT. JUST SEND US A CHECK. OR WE CAN WE CAN PUT MONEY BILL TO CHECK. WHAT'S THAT? YES THAT CHECK TO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER MAKES THE CITY I ALWAYS KNOW WHICH WAY THE CHECKS ARE GOING.

WE'RE BECAUSE I'M A LAWYER. I'M USED TO PAYING MONEY AND RETAIN OR RECEIVING MONEY AND RETAINER.

I'M MARRIED TO A LAWYER. OKAY SO WE'RE HAPPY TO WRITE A CHECK TO THE CITY FOR TWO OR THREE OR FOUR TIMES. WHATEVER THE ESTIMATE IS. FROM THE CITY'S CONSULTANT TO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT SO THAT THEY HAVE AN INDEPENDENT VOICE SO THAT YOU HAVE AN INDEPENDENT VOICE. UM IN YOUR EAR ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF OUR FINDINGS AND WHETHER IT CREATES UNDUE STRESS IN TERMS OF OUR SITTING DOWN AND DISCUSSING THOSE FINDINGS WITH THE STATE. WE WANT TO GET TO THE CLOSING TABLE WITH THE CITY. WE THINK IT'S A GREAT PROPERTY. WE THINK WE'RE A GREAT TEAM. WE WANT TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS. THIS MAY BE A WAY TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY VERY USEFUL. AND THEN I. UM AND THEN FAR AS THE, UH, THE REMEDIATION. SO, UM IS THERE DIFFERENT? IS THERE DIFFERENT LEVELS? I CAN'T REMEMBER. I SHOULD'VE WHILE SINCE WE SPOKE IN PERSON, UM, IS THERE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF REMEDIATION? LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. SO, UM. FLORIDA HAS ONE LEVEL OF CLEANUP STANDARDS FOR GROUNDWATER. IT DOESN'T AND THOSE THAT LEVEL IS NOT BASED ON USE. THERE'S A SINGLE STANDARD FOR VARIOUS TYPES OF CONTAMINANTS AND GROUNDWATER, FOR EXAMPLE FOR ARSENIC. THAT STANDARD IS 10 PARTS PER BILLION. AND THAT'S TRUE WHETHER YOU'RE PUTTING A DAYCARE OR A PARK OR A WAREHOUSE. FOR SOIL. IT'S VERY DIFFERENT. THERE ARE STANDARDS BASED ON RESIDENTIAL. THERE ARE STANDARDS BASED ON NON RESIDENTIAL, WHICH INCLUDE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL. FOR EXAMPLE, THE STANDARD FOR ARSENIC FOR SOILS IS 2.1 PARTS PER MILLION. FOR INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL. IT'S 12 PARTS PER MILLION. OKAY, SO THERE'S A DISTINCTION THERE. THE DISTINCTION IS, UM DEEMED ACCEPTABLE. BY THE U. S ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY AND THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION IN THE FOUR THE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE THE SCIENCE DEMONSTRATES. THAT GIVEN THOSE USES. THE VARIOUS STANDARDS AND SOIL. HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF EXPOSURE. TO UNWANTED HEALTH IMPACTS. YEAH BECAUSE IT WEREN'T THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE IS YOUR HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT LIKE A CANCER CLUSTER. MY FATHER GREW UP. WORKED IN THE TILL IT E BUSINESS IN THERE IS, YOU KNOW PCBS FOR A BIG PROBLEM AND IN ESPECIALLY UP IN OHIO, WHERE WE RATHER PLACES THAT IT WAS DUMPED ALL OVER THE PLACE AND. THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THIS LANDFILL. UM SOUNDS LIKE P FOCUS FOR AMONGST OTHER THINGS, BUT AND CHLORINATED SOLVENTS AND BENZENE, ALL OF WHICH ARE CARCINOGENIC IN ALL OF WHICH AT ONE POINT WERE ON THE GROUND WATER AND IMPACTING THE CITY'S DRINKING WATER. WELL FIELD. BUT THE CITY RESPONDED TO THOSE.

UM, UH, THREATS. UH DECISIVELY AND EFFECTIVELY AND WE INTEND TO DO THE SAME THING WITH STRICT OVERSIGHT FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION. OKAY SO FOR AND YOU MENTIONED OVERSIGHT SO WELL. SO YOU'LL BE YOU'LL. YOUR OVERSIGHT WILL COME FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, THE EPA AND OF COURSE US. SO UH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS GOING TO BE OF CONCERN TO THE COMMUNITY IS THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE YOU'LL BE FOLLOWING ALL OF THE PROCEDURES. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A GREAT TRACK RECORD, SO I'M NOT SO CONCERNED ABOUT IT, BUT WE ARE, BUT NOWADAYS WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR YOU KNOW THE PUBLIC IS VERY INVOLVED IN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. AND WE NEED TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE SHOWING THAT. WE'RE COVERING THOSE. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. I MEANT BRIEFLY. I KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING TIRED OF ME. UM I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE ARE COMMITTED AS PART OF OUR ETHIC ETHIC AS PART OF OUR MANDATE TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND TRANSPARENCY. THERE IS A BUILT IN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COMPONENT IN THE FLORIDA BROWNFIELDS PROGRAM. THAT REQUIRES ANY PARTY EXECUTING A BROWNFIELD SITE REHABILITATION AGREEMENT, WHICH CONFERS CERTAIN BENEFITS TO CREATE WHAT'S CALLED AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND TO HOLD PUBLIC MEETINGS. AS THE CLEANUP PROGRESSES FROM SITE ASSESSMENT THROUGH REMEDIATION PLANNING THROUGH REMEDIATION IMPLEMENTATION. THAT IS A REGULATORY MECHANISM THAT WE WILL BE, UM, LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO COMPLY WITH, BUT THAT'S A

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BARE MINIMUM. WE GO WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT. BY COMPLYING WITH PART OF ME, KELLY. THE VARIOUS. UM BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES THAT THESE TYPES OF DOCUMENTS UM, PROVIDE. FOR HOLD ON. THERE'S ONE HERE. I WANT TO THERE WE GO. THIS ONE. STAKEHOLDER EQUITY. THE BUILDING BLOCK OF STAKEHOLDER EQUITY IS TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND WE HAVE SOME VERY UNIQUE AND INNOVATIVE WAYS TO ENSURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS ENGAGED AND INFORMED OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING FROM A CLEANUP PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTATION PERSPECTIVE. EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE IS THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR MEYER. OKAY WELL, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE THOROUGHNESS OF YOUR PRESENTATION, UM, FOR WALKS. WE LOVE KNOWING THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. UM SO I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON ONE OF COMMISSIONER MCDONALD'S QUESTIONS BECAUSE THAT WAS SORT OF WHERE I WAS GOING. YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE EXPERIENCING THIS. YOU HAVE A TRACK RECORD, YOUR VERY TARGETED IN YOUR APPROACH. WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR WHEN HE SAID DO YOU HAVE ANY CHECK CARDS RECORDS OF FAILURE? IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW. HAVE YOU BEEN SUED OR WHATEVER SO.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER EXAMPLES OF PROPERTIES THAT YOU HAVE? YOU KNOW, ENTERED AN AGREEMENT ON AND THEN BACKED OUT OF AFTER YOUR PHASE ONE PHASE TWO ASSESS. AS AS A AS A DEVELOPER. NO. AS A DEVELOPMENT PARTNER. NO, WE'VE REPRESENTED. KEEP IN MIND. I'VE BEEN REPRESENTING CLIENTS FOR 30 YEARS WE REPRESENTED HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF CLIENTS WHO HAVE DONE THOUSANDS OF DEALS. SO WE'VE REPRESENTED CLIENTS THAT HAVE PULLED OUT. OF PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENTS FOR SURE WHEN THE WHEN THE RISK WERE WARD RATIO, UM WAS, UM NOT IN IN CORRECT PROPORTION. IT CAN'T HAPPEN, RIGHT? SO I GUESS WHERE I'M AT IS YOU KNOW, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. WHAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS THAT THERE'S THIS INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF RISK. WE HAVE THIS GIANT ALBATROSS. AND YET, YOU'VE ALSO SAID THAT THE CITY OF STEWART HAS BEEN DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB OVER THE LAST SO MANY YEARS COMPLYING WITH THE D E P. MANAGING CLEANUP TARGETS WERE NEARLY DONE WITH MOST OF THE STANDARD.

CONTAMINANTS OBVIOUSLY, P FAST PEOPLE IS A HUGE ISSUE I HAPPENED TO BE WORKING WITH AFFORDED LEGAL CITIES ON. GOOD LOOKING FORWARD AT YOU KNOW FEDERAL LEGISLATION ADDRESSING IT THROUGH FEDERAL ACTION, UM SO IN MY IN MY VIEW. YOU YOU BROUGHT UP THE MAP OF ALL OF THE AREA, THE COMMUNITIES IN FLORIDA THAT ARE DEALING WITH THE FAST. EVERY LANDFILL IN FLORIDA HAS A PFS CONTAMINATION ISSUE EVERY PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX. EVERY. EVERY AIRPORT HAS A P FAST ISSUES, SO I JUST I WANT TO I WANT TO CALM EVERYBODY DOWN A LITTLE BIT. WE ARE NOT THE ONLY COMMUNITY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD THAT LIKE WE BETTER DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE PFS IS NOT AN ISSUE. EVERYONE'S DEALING WITH IT AND. IT'S NOT.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S ON ALL OF US BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN PASSIVE RECEIVERS OF PFS. WE ARE NOT DOWDUPONT. WE DIDN'T MAKE IT. WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS BAD. AND SO THERE WILL BE FEDERAL AND STATE. ACTION TO HELP ADDRESS PFS INDEMNIFICATION FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, UH, RESOURCES TO ASSIST WITH CLEANUP. CURRENTLY OUR PROBLEM HAS BEEN WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO CLEAN UP SOME OF OUR SOILS. AROUND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX, AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND FIND A PARTNER THAT IS WILLING TO DISPOSE OF IT. SO I'M CURIOUS. I CAN HELP YOU OKAY? YEAH. SO. CLEARLY YOU HAVE YOU HAVE A WAY IN. WELL, HOW ARE YOU, CURRENTLY MANAGING.

CONTAMINATION IN SOILS FOR PFS. WELL UM THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THE BECAUSE THIS RISK IS SO NEW AND THE SCIENCE STILL DEVELOPING RIGHT? THERE AREN'T A LOT OF EFFICIENT APPROACHES THERE'S DESTRUCTION. AND THEN THERE'S OFF SITE DISPOSAL AT SIGNIFICANT COST. SO WE WERE LOOKING AT TRYING TO SHIP OUR SOILS OFF TO TEXAS. IT WAS THE SAME AS THE, UH, SPENT RESIN CARTRIDGES THAT HAD ACTUALLY REMOVED THAT RIGHT? THE P FOSTER FROM FROM THE WATER RIGHT? IT WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO THE PLACE IN TEXAS AND THE FEDERAL. THE EPA BELIEVES SAID THAT. WHEN YOU BURNED IT IN TEXAS, THAT IT WOULD THEN BE IN THE AIR. AND BECAUSE IT'S A

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FOREVER CHEMICAL. THEY ALTERED THE, UH, MODIFICATION OF THAT ISSUE, SO OKAY, I GUESS YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I'M GONNA FIRE OUT. ALSO KIND OF COMMENTS FOR MY COLLEAGUES UP HERE. THIS IS A LIABILITY. I AGREE. IT'S A LIABILITY. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I DON'T THINK THAT BECAUSE OF I MEAN THE STANDARD WASTE ISSUES THERE. PFS ASIDE, WE HAVE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB AT CONSIDERABLE EXPENSE OVER TIME.

MITCH LOOKED IN OUR BUDGET AGAIN. WE HAVE ABOUT $50,000 BUDGETED THIS YEAR FOR LANDFILL LANDFILL PORTION OF THE FUND. SO WE'VE BEEN SPENDING MONEY TO DO OUR PART THE BEST WE CAN. UM.

50 ACRES IN OUR URBAN CORE OF LAND THAT CANNOT BE BUILT RESIDENTIAL CURRENTLY DP AND ITS OWN DOCUMENTS THAT YOU'VE SAID THERE IS NOT. I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE PROPOSING POTENTIALLY AN INDUSTRIAL USER COMMERCIAL USE. RESIDENTIAL IS OUT OF THE I MEAN, ARE THE QUESTION SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A DEVELOPMENT STRUCTURE THAT COULD BE. YOU KNOW, GOOD ADDITION TO THE TAX BASE BY THE INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL. COULD WE BENEFIT FROM THAT? ABSOLUTELY HOWEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT A SITE THAT CURRENTLY IS. IT'S DIFFICULT TO BUILD ON. THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT GRANT FUNDING THROUGH BROWNFIELDS PROGRAMS. I KNOW YOU'RE TAKING ON SOME RISK WOULD BE TAKEN ON SOME RISK, BUT THE TAXPAYERS ULTIMATELY ARE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR THIS REMEDIATION THROUGH THOSE GRANTS. AND THEN WILL HAVE THIS PROPERTY THAT WILL BE BUILT ON UM. WHEN THE DPS OWN DOCUMENTS. SAY THAT THEY PREFER.

ALTERNATIVE USES FOR OLD LANDFILL SITES LIKE. HATE TO SAY IT PARKS BALL FIELDS. UM.

THE DEPARTMENT PREFERS BALLPARK SOCCER FIELDS, HIKING TRAILS, GOLF COURSES, GOLF DRIVING RANGES. PREFERS THESE OVER TO BE SELECTED FOR AN OLD SITE RATHER THAN CONSTRUCTION OF STRUCTURES. SO, UM. I THINK I. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY. IT'S A POTENTIALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY. I WILL BE HONEST $100 IS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO ME. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT COMES FROM THE FACT THAT THERE'S RISK BUT ALSO YOU CLEARLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

YOU HAVE A GREAT TRACK RECORD. YOU HAVE ALL THESE PARTNERS. AND THERE'S A LOT YOU I MEAN, YOU HELPED DEVELOP THE BROWNFIELDS PROGRAM. YOU KNOW, THERE'S FUNDING LINED UP. I THINK THAT. I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO BE GIVING IT AWAY WHEN WE'VE DONE SUCH A GOOD JOB OVER TIME, MANAGING GET TO OUR BEST. ABILITY AND IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE USED IN DIFFERENT WAYS. EVEN THOUGH IT IS STILL A LIABILITY. IN SOME SENSE. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MAKING SENSE. MAYBE I SHOULD JUST STOP THE COMMISSIONER TONIGHT. CAN I RESPOND QUICKLY BECAUSE IT WAS CERTAINLY NOT INTENDED. AS A SLAP IN THE FACE.

THAT WAS NO, IT WASN'T THERE WAS A NUMBER THAT WE NEGOTIATED OVER A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS WITH YOUR EXCELLENT PROFESSIONAL STAFF, AND THEY UNDERSTOOD CLEARLY MAYBE I DIDN'T DO A GOOD ENOUGH JOB ARTICULATING THE VALUE PROPOSITION HERE. THE MONEY TO READ OF IT CLEAN UP AND REDEVELOP. THE SITE HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY MARKET RATE FOR THIS SITE BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY EXTRAORDINARY THINGS. THAT HAVE TO BE DONE AND COST TO BE INCURRED AS A RESULT OF ITS LANDFILL STATUS. SO THE NORMAL ECONOMIC UM UH, EQUITIES THAT WOULD APPLY TO A BUY. SELL AGREEMENT. DON'T APPLY HERE.

THE IT'S NOT. AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S AN INCORRECT STATEMENT. BUT IT'S NOT A COMPLETE PICTURE TO REPRESENT. THAT THE COSTS OF REMEDIATION WILL BE PICKED UP BY GRANTS AND THAT THE TAXPAYERS WILL PAY. FOR THE GRANTS THE AVAILABILITY OF GRANTS HERE IS VERY LIMITED RELATIVE TO THE COST OF CLEANUP. THE COST OF CLEANUP HERE IS LIKELY TO BE 5 TO $10 MILLION. IF IT'S A PENNY AT THE END OF THE DAY, AS YOU ACTIVATE THIS SITE FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S ONE SIDE OF THE LEDGER. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LEDGER IS THE INCREMENTAL COST TO BUILD ON THIS SITE. IF IT'S IN THE COMMISSION'S WISDOM. TO ALLOW THIS SITE TO BE REDEVELOPED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES, WHATEVER THAT MEANS. THEN SOMEONE IS GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY.

ON THIS SITE. PREPARING THE SITE FOR, UM, UH, SUITABLE USES USING THE METHODOLOGIES WE DISCUSSED AND THAT'S YOUR OWN CONSULTANT, IDENTIFIED. OKAY THAT HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE, AND THOSE COSTS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR GRANTS THAT'S PRIVATE SECTOR MONEY. THIS IS NOT A DEAL WHERE WE'RE BUYING A CORNER SITE FROM THE CITY AND WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 10 OR $15,000 ON DUE DILIGENCE. WE'RE LOOKING AT SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. BEFORE WE

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GO HARD AND THEN TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO CLEAN UP AND REDEVELOP THE SITE. THIS IS NOT MONEY THAT'S GOING TO BE BORNE BY THE TAXPAYERS AND THE LARGEST PART, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE TO FOR TAX CREDITS OR FOR GRANTS. AH AND IN TERMS OF GRANTS, I MENTIONED THAT.

WORKFORCE TRAINING GRANT IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE IT'S GOT SUCH A SHORT WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY. AND WE'RE READY TO APPLY OUR RESOURCES TO BRING ALL OF THAT OPPORTUNITY IN THE CITY THAT MAY BE CONSIDERED A ROUNDING AIR IN LIGHT OF THE OTHER PRIORITIES. THAT YOU MAY HAVE COMMISSIONER AND THAT THIS COMMISSION MAY HAVE. LET ME SAY THIS. IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO RETURN THIS SITE TO PRODUCTIVE RE USE. WANTS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INVESTED IN THE COMMUNITY WANTS THOUSANDS OF JOBS CREATED. WANTS TO ABATE A HUMAN HEALTH RISK ON AN ACCELERATED BASIS. WARRIOR TEAM. THAT'S A LOT THAT'S A LEGITIMATE POLICY CHOICE. ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S ALSO A LEGITIMATE POLICY CHOICE TO SAY 50 ACRES. PUBLIC PARK.

IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC PARK. AND I'M NOT HERE TO TWIST YOUR ARM FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, EVEN THOUGH I LOVE TALKING ABOUT POLICY, AND THAT'S WHAT I DO EVERY DAY IN WHEN I WEAR SOME OF MY OTHER HATS. THE COST, THOUGH. UH CHOOSY CHECKING THAT POLICY BOX. RESERVING THE CITY, THE SITE TO THE CITY FOR PUBLIC USE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT COST WELL BEYOND THE $50,000. I RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST. BUDGETED THIS YEAR.

THIS WILL RESULT IN THE CITY LOOKING FOR MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO MAKE THAT SITE SAFE FOR PORK REUSE. AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE TAX REVENUES OF THE JOB CREATION AGAIN POLICY CHOICE. IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE FOR USE AND DO ALL THOSE OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS THAT TEND TO A BENEFICIAL REUSE. OR YOUR TEAM. I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD OFFER IN A FAIR OFFER NOT INTENDED AS A SLAP. WE THINK IT'S A, UH, MAKES SENSE ECONOMICALLY FOR ALL SIDES, WHICH IS HOW THESE DEALS HAVE TO WORK. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'VE GOT ENVIRONMENTAL RISK. WE NEGOTIATED IT AT LENGTH OVER A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS WITH STAFF. I BELIEVE IN THE AGENDA STAFF RECOMMENDS MOVING OR APPROVING THE RESOLUTION. WE HOPE YOU'LL AGREE AND VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE RESOLUTION. METAL MIRROR. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCDONALD. MIKE, UM. I THINK THAT, UH, ONE THAT WAS ACTUALLY A PART. COMING STAR MIKE MORTAL? NO MIKE MYERS. MR COMMISSIONER, MARK I AWAYS. UM IT WAS ACTUALLY A PARK. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNEW THAT WAS IT WAS ACTUALLY NOT A PARK. IT WAS A DRIVING RANGE THAT DID NOT WELL. UM. I THINK THAT ALSO, IN ADDITION TO GUESS 2019 THAT HE TALKED ABOUT WHERE THE CITY LOOKED AT DOING IT AS A. IT'S A FACILITY FOR THE CITY WE LOOKED AT THAT WAS A JOINT FACILITY WITH THE COUNTY IN 2013 2014 20 SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA AND THE COST WAS. SURE PROHIBITIVE. UM I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND I WOULD.

PERSONALLY I'D LOVE TO HAVE A 50 ACRE PARK WITH BIKE TRAILS AND STUFF BECAUSE THAT'D BE GREAT. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT I THINK IF. AND I'M I'M STILL I'M GETTING WHERE I NEED TO BE.

I THINK I'M STILL WORRIED ABOUT THE VIABILITY, BUT. AT THE SAME TIME. I THINK THAT THE POTENTIAL GAIN FROM BOTH THE TAX BASE AND JOBS I THINK IS. IS A AN INCREDIBLE POSSIBILITY THAT. YET MANY, MANY YEARS WHEN WE'RE NONE OF US ARE SITTING HERE OR PEOPLE WILL BE VERY GRATEFUL. I AGREE. I MEAN, I WE WE'VE MET TONIGHT. YOU KNOW I'M ALL ABOUT INFILL. THIS IS THIS IS A CASE FOR INFILL FOR SURE. BUT THIS IS NOT FOR ME. THIS IS JUST THIS IS NOT YOUR NORMAL INFILL. THIS IS A THIS IS A DISTRESSED ASSET AND I GUESS. I'M QUOTING FROM THE DP BRIEF ON, PREFERRING PARKS AND SOCCER FIELDS AND HIKING TRAILS, OBVIOUSLY, IF WE WERE TO TRY TO PUT IT INTO A PUBLIC USE LIKE A PARK, YES, WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COVERED THE COST OF THE CLEANUP SO THAT. KIDS RUNNING AROUND DIDN'T TRIP AND FALL IN A NEEDLE BUT AN ALTERNATIVE. AND I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE CRAZY, BUT DON'T THROW IT OUT THERE. THERE THERE'S A LOT OF EMERGING RESEARCH ON AFFORESTATION EFFORTS FOR ALL LANDFILL SITES THAT BOTH CLEAN UP. AND CREATE GREEN SPACE AND OTHERWISE DIFFICULT OR UN BUILDABLE. UHH PROPERTIES, SO I MEAN, WE'LL PROBABLY WON'T TAKE CARE OF THE PFS. BUT BUT THERE ARE THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF OLD CLOSED DUMPS LANDFILLS THAT HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO. 4 30 FORESTS. AND SO I MEAN, THAT'S

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JUST 11 POPE POTENTIAL USE, OR MAYBE IT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO A FINAL REDESIGNING. I'VE JUST. THIS IS A AGREE TO CARVE OUT A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND WORK WITH THE CITY TO TAKE FIVE ACRES OR SO AND CREATE A PUBLIC PARK. I MEAN, IT COULD. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A NICE ADDITION. UM OKAY, SO THERE'S THAT. THE OTHER ISSUE. THE LOGISTICAL ISSUE WITH REDEVELOPMENT, UM. WE HAVE. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF APPROVALS IN THIS AREA IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. UM TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE, AND SO IF THERE'S AN INDUSTRIAL USE HERE I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY THIS BEING THE LAST MILE LOGISTICS. SITE WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD IDEA.

UM. THE CONSTRAINTS ON MONTEREY MAKE IT SO THAT. CONNECTIVITY I THINK NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. UM THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, BACKING UP AGAINST ASTOR AND ALL THOSE OTHER ROADWAYS BACK THERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. WOULD NEED TO BE. WOULD BE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT IF THAT WOULD BE A THE, UH AFTER ISSUE OR THERE IS. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONNECTION FOR YEAH. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE. IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY THE DEPENDING I THINK THE CHURCH OWNS THE LAST SEGMENT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GET ACROSS IT, BUT IT WOULD BE NOT AFTER THAT WOULD BE US. IT WOULD BE US RESPONDING. WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CHURCH TO ALLOW US TO HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY ACCESS TO THAT ROADWAY, SO IT GRADUALLY EXPANDED. OKAY? RESPECTFUL SHE MISSED HOLD ON. MR MORTAL OR MR DIES. COULD YOU JUST SUMMARIZE YOUR RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER MEYER, PLEASE? WE'RE JUST SAYING HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ACCESS THROUGH CENTRAL. I MEAN THROUGH. YES, IT WAS. WASN'T EVEN ASKED HER PASTOR LANE.

SORRY. YEAH BROWNS UP. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE IT IF WE CAN ZOOM TO IT REALLY FAST, BUT IT REALLY JUST GETS RIGHT ALONG THE SOUTHERN TIP OF THAT PROPERTY. THE LITTLE CURVE BEFORE THE CHURCH. THE CHURCH IS TO THE WEST. THAT PEACE IS OWNED BY THE CHURCH AND SO THE CHURCH. WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CHURCH TO ALLOW US THAT PUBLIC ACT SAFETY ACCESS VEHICLES THROUGH THERE. BUT NOT MANY KNOW ANYTHING FOR GENERAL. THEY MAY BE WILLING TO DO THAT, BUT NOT NOT AT THIS POINT. OKAY WELL, I MEAN, I'M GETTING CART BEFORE THE HORSE BUT OBVIOUSLY ALSO A MORE OF HIS OWN EXAMINING AND SITE PLAN THINGS. BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST YOU KNOW? REDEVELOPMENT. ESPECIALLY IT'S SOMETHING AT THIS SCALE DOES. I MEAN THERE'S OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO THINK ABOUT? PART ARE YOU STILL JUMPING AT THE BITS? COMMISSIONER MCDONALD OR I'M GOOD. OKAY COMMISSIONER MEYER. I MEAN, VICE MAYOR MATHESON. OKAY? WE'VE ANSWERED. ACTUALLY, QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS. UM. IN MY MIND. I KEEP COMING BACK TO THE ONE ISSUE THAT PERHAPS IT'S ON ME OR ALL OF US. BUT. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT BROWNFIELD REMEDIATION, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M CONFIDENT. I'M GOING TO LEARN IT HERE TODAY. UM. AND I KEEP THINKING ABOUT THAT. THAT'S AN UNSOLICITED OFFER. I NEED TO LEARN MORE. UM SOME OF THE THINGS. YOU'VE MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION. STICK OUT TO ME. UM. ONE OF THEM, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS IS THAT THE CITY IS DOING. REALLY WELL AS COMMISSIONER MYER POINTED OUT. UM. YOU SAID THE SITE WOULD BE CLEANED UP TO APPLICABLE STANDARDS UNDER THE LAW. AND THEN. I'M QUOTING YOU SAID, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY IS DOING NOW. AND THEN A LITTLE LATER IN YOUR PRESENTATION, AND THE CITY IS DOING A GREAT JOB OF IT. NEAR AS I CAN TELL BY REVIEWING THE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE FILES, SO FOR ME AND MY POSITION. THAT TELLS ME I DON'T NEED TO RUSH. BECAUSE I WANT MORE KNOWLEDGE. I'M NOT AS CONCERNED AND I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE MONETARY ISSUE. UM I'M NOT GOING TO SIT UP HERE AND.

ARGUE FOR $110 OVER $100 OFF FOR UM. MORE CONCERNED WITH THE GUARANTEE. AND THE LEVEL OF CLEAN UP. UM YOU KNOW? THAT'S. AND THAT'S MY ISSUE IS I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT. BUT. I MEAN, LET'S JUST TAKE DYNAMIC COMPACTION. AS YOU DESCRIBED WHEN I THINK ABOUT THAT. YOU TAKE A GIANT. HEAVY BALL OR COMPACTING DEVICE AND SMASH THE CONTAMINATED SOIL WITH IT. BE LIKE ME TAKING A SPONGE SOAKED IN. THE SAME CONTAMINANTS AND SMASHING IT DOWN ON THE COUNTER.

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ALL THAT LIQUID IS GOING TO GO OUT. IT'S GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE. SO. CAN YOU BREAK THAT DOWN FOR ME? THE PARALLEL IS NOT EXACT. OKAY IT'S NOT EXACT AND AS A PRACTICAL MATTER THESE TYPES OF SITES AND I IN MY BRIEF PRESENTATION COULD HAVE BEEN LONGER. WE LOOKED AT TO LANDFILL SITES. WHERE THOSE TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION METHODOLOGIES WERE APPLIED. DP IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, EPA ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. THEY DEAL WITH REDEVELOPMENT AND REMEDIATION ON LANDFILLS AND IMPACTED SITES EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND THERE ARE NOT ONLY METHODOLOGIES, BUT UM. ACCOUNTABILITY PROTOCOLS. BETTER IMPLEMENTED IN TERMS OF GROUNDWATER MONITORING IN TERMS OF AIR MONITORING. THAT PREVENTS THE UNANTICIPATED CONSEQUENCES. THAT YOU REASONABLY SPEAK TO. THIS IS NOT YOUR AREA, SO YOU'RE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE WAY IN WHICH THIS OCCURS EVERY SINGLE DAY DESIGNED AND IMPLEMENTED BY PROFESSIONALS WHOSE BUSINESS IT IS TO GET IT RIGHT. AND REGULATED BY PROFESSIONALS WHOSE JOB IT IS NOT TO BE SWEET. TALKED BY A GUY LIKE GOLDSTEIN RIGHT, THERE ARE CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT ARE IN PLACE. SITES ARE DEVELOPED IN THIS REGARD. CONTAMINATION IS CONTAINED IN ADDRESSED AND. LIFE GOES ON THE WORLD GOES ON. THESE SITES ARE BROUGHT BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE RE USE, AND THEY'RE DONE SO SAFELY, BUT THEY'RE DONE AT GREAT COST. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, BASICALLY, WE'RE USING OUR WELLS WERE PUMPING OUT THE GROUNDWATER. IN TERMS OF THE PHONE WAS. WE'RE FILTERING THAT OUT, AND THEN WE HAVE CONTAMINATED FILTERS. UM SOME OF THE OTHER GROUND WATER IS FILTERED THROUGH PLANTS AND YOU KNOW OUR NORMAL BIOS WELLS ON THE PROPERTY. I GUESS WHAT I'M WONDERING IS. WHERE ARE THE CONTAMINANTS GOING TO BE GOING? IF WE DO IT CORRECTLY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE GOING ANYWHERE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE TRAVELING FURTHER OFF SITE. WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THESE TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION.

METHODOLOGIES IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T EXACERBATE THE EXISTING CONTAMINATION THAT DOESN'T KNOCK MORE CONTAMINATION OUT OF THE SOIL OF THE GROUNDWATER. AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, THAT DOESN'T HAPP BUT WE WILL BE MONITORING, BUT IT'S SO I MEAN. ISN'T WATER STILL GOING TO PERCOLATE THROUGH THE SITE INTO THE OFFICE? IRRESPECTIVE OF ANYTHING WE DO TO IMPROVE THE SITE. YES, AND WE'RE PUMPING IT OUT AND TRYING TO STOP IT, AND THAT'S WHAT LIKE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A GIANT. SWIMMING POOL AROUND THE SITE AND CONCRETE TO STOP THAT PERCOLATION. BREAD LAYERS AGO, PUT UNDERNEATH GROUND TO STOP. IT IS AWKWARD. FOR THEM MORE OFTEN THAN NOT DEVELOPMENT TECHNIQUES. SO UM, SPECIAL SLABS THAT AND YOU KNOW, JUST BUILDING A REGULAR PARKING LOT WITH SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT ALLOW, YOU KNOW. PREVENT THE PERMEABILITY OF THE WATER THROUGH THE SURFACE AND THEN TREATING THAT STORM WONDER RUNOFF AND PONDS THAT HAVE MEMBRANES ON THEM THAT PREVENT IT FROM GOING DOWN INTO THE AQUIFER. IT'S SEALING IT OFF. YEAH. WHICH. MAKES ME FEARFUL BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH STORM WATER KEEPING ON SITE. I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS AS I. I LIKE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S BEEN SAID, UM I FEEL LIKE I NEED MORE. INFORMATION. ON BROWNFIELD REMEDIATION. UM I.

PERSONALLY DON'T I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE IDEA. I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHARES YOUR SAME TIMETABLE IS PURSUING OF A GRANT ON OCTOBER. FIFTH, YOU SAID. UM. THIS IS A UNSOLICITED BID. I'M INTERESTED IN MAYBE HEARING. AND HAVING OUR STAFF RESEARCH, UH, AND REQUEST. YOU KNOW SOME OTHER BROWNFIELD REMEDIATION PROFESSIONALS JUST LIKE YOU KNOW WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING. WHAT TO DO ON COVID. WE HAD DR. NOT DOCTOR. ROB LORD, COME AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. COME, UM. I CAN SAY THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS IN THE CONTRACT THAT. SCARE ME AS COMMISSIONER MCDONALD POINT OUT THE TITLE INSURANCE, THE RIDER STATES THAT YOU'LL PAY FOR IT.

THE. THE ACTUAL CONTRACT STATES THAT WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR I KNOW THAT'S VERY MINIMAL. UM.

I'M SORRY. THE CONTRACT SAYS YOU RESPONDED CITIES RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TITLE INSURANCE, AND THE RIDER SAYS YOU ARE. SO WE'VE THE TITLE ISSUES WE'VE NEGOTIATED AT LENGTH WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY

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WHO SIGNED OFF ON THE AGREEMENT. IF THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE AGREEMENT THAT YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH. WITH RESPECT TO CONVENTIONAL COMMERCIAL TERMS. WE'LL AMEND THAT, OKAY. OKAY, UM I MEAN, IT SEEMED THAT IS SOMEWHAT MINIMAL BUT THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE TWO CONTRACTS. THE RIDERS STATES ONE THING AND THE ACTUAL CONTRACT IN OUR ATTACHMENT WAS DIFFERENT. TOM. YOU MAY ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO SPEAK TO THAT. WE NEGOTIATED THOSE ISSUES AT LENGTH, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE ANY INCONSISTENCIES AND I WILL HAVE THE BOILER PLAYED IN THE CONTRACT DID IN FACT SAY THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO PAY FOR IT. YOU GUYS ADDED LANGUAGE THAT SAID THE WRITER SUPERSEDES PARAGRAPH 15. I BELIEVE I HAVEN'T I'M PULLING IT UP. SO THERE'S NO INCONSISTENCY THAT THE WRITER SUPERSEDES. THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE, AND THAT'S TRUE IN SEVERAL INSTANCES FOR THAT VERY PURPOSE TO SHIFT THE EQUITIES IN THE UNDERLYING FORM CONTRACT IN A WAY THAT'S ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE CITY. UM.

YOU'LL TYPICALLY SEE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY IN THE CONTRACT. AND THAT'S HOW YOU SET THAT UP FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, ACTUALLY IN READING AND PARAGRAPH SEVEN, DOESN'T HAVE THE LANGUAGE. FIGURE OF SEVEN, IT SAYS SELLER AT THE LEGAL PASSERBY WILL CONVEY MARKET WILL TITLE TO THE PROPERTY BY SPECIAL WARRANTY DEED TITLE EVIDENCE PARTY PAYS THE TITLE INSURANCE WILL SELECT THE CLOSING AGENT PAPER TIDAL SURGE, INCLUDING THE CHECK ONE. SELLERS EXPENSE. AND THEN THERE'S A SUB PARAGRAPH. THAT SAYS A TITLE COMMITMENT BY FLORIDA LICENSED INSURERS SETTING FORTH THOSE MATTERS. I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF LAWYERS IN THE ROOM AND I JUST. IF WE ARE MOVING FORWARD IT IT JUST SEEMED TO BE TIDY. WE COULD JUST AMEND THE CONTRACT. ABSOLUTELY MATCH FOR THE RIDERS. WHAT I'M GETTING AT, UM. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY. IT DID IT DID ONE POINT SAY THAT. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DRAFTS. THAT'S THE INTENTION. TO COMPLY WITH WHAT THE CITY WANTS AND NEEDS. MR MARTEL'S SO FAR WE'VE GOTTEN. THREE UH, AMENDMENTS PROPOSED WHICH I DO, LIKE ALL OF THEM. ONE WAS. THE BUYER COULD AGREE NOT TO DISCLOSE FINDINGS OF THEIR DIG DILIGENCE. IS THAT LEGAL IF THEY'RE DEALING WITH THE CITY? I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD TELL YOU. THAT'S A COMMUNICATION PROBLEM. I GUESS IF I WERE YOUR LAWYER.

COMMISSIONER, MR VICE MAYOR IF I WERE YOUR LAWYER, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT A BUYER. HAS NO LEGAL OBLIGATION TO DISCLOSE. ITS FINDINGS TO ANY THIRD PARTY. THERE'S NOTHING IN STATE LAW. BUT ONCE THE BUYER DISCLOSES THOSE FINDINGS TO A CITY THAT SUBJECT TO THE SAID 119 OF THE FLORIDA PUBLIC RECORD, THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. SO YOU MIGHT COME BACK AND SAY WE CHOOSE. YOU CAN'T TELL US WE CAN'T. WE CAN'T GET THE RESULTS. ARE THEY GET THEM? OKAY, UM, AND THEN. I GUESS THE OTHER TWO. I'VE GOT MY NOTES JUST TO PEOPLE. MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHAT WAS. THE BUYERS WILLING TO PAY FOR AN OUTSIDE COLD, CAN'T CONSULTANT OF THE CITY'S CHOOSING TO REVIEW THE DATA. COULD. THAT WOULD BE A COMMUNICATION BARRIER AS WELL. IF IT'S UNDER PUBLIC RECORDS LAW AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, WHICH I REALLY LIKE BECAUSE FOR ME. THE WAY I THINK OF REMEDIATION IS KIND OF IN A WAY. REFORESTATION. UM THAT'S REALLY THE BEST FILTER. THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH HIS MOTHER NATURE. AND YOU START OF 55 OR 10 ACRES SECTIONED OUT. BE REFORESTED FOR CONSERVATION OR FOR A PARK SO WHAT I SAID, WAS THAT WE WOULD CARVE OUT FIVE ACRES. OF THIS CITY PARK USE UM. I GUESS, YOU KNOW. I STILL REALLY AGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER MCDONALD ABOUT. HESITATION THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHT NOW. WE'RE DOING A FAIRLY WELL JOB. THANKS TO MR PETER. WE DON'T HAVE A TON OF LIABILITY. IT'S YOUR SET. I DO SEE THE BENEFIT. I SEE THE BENEFIT. AND THE VALUE IN THE OFFER. I SEE IT, THOUGH, BRINGING IT UP TO A STANDARD WHERE IT'S RESIDENTIAL USE, NOT NECESSARILY JUST IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL STAGING AREA FOR CARS, BUT I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW. WHAT THOSE DIFFERENT LEVELS ARE GOING TO BE, AND I FEEL LIKE I'D LIKE MORE

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INFORMATION ON BROWN SITE REMEDIATION AT THIS POINT. MM AND I'M VERY SKEPTICAL THAT IF WE GO DOWN THIS PATH. NO. WE'RE STILL LIABLE UP UNTIL YOU DECIDE TO CLOSE. NOW WE MIGHT NOT KNOW THE FINDINGS OF IT, AND THEY'D BE KIND OF HIDDEN IN THIS. AREA OF YOU DID YOUR DUTY DILIGENCE, BUT THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS. FROM A TRANSPARENCY PERSPECTIVE. WHERE IS STILL RIGHT NOW? AT LEAST EVERYTHING I KNOW. I'VE BEEN TOLD WE'RE DOING. A GOOD JOB, AND I'VE SEEN THAT IN WRITING FROM THE DP. FROM OUR FORMER PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. AND NOW YOU MR GOLDSTEIN, ANOTHER PROFESSIONAL IN THE FIELD. THE MAYOR. UM YES, COMMISSIONER BRUNER. THIS IS ALSO NEW TO ALL OF US. I DON'T KNOW COMMISSIONERS AND THEY'VE ASKED. LOT OF GREAT QUESTIONS. GOOD INFORMATION. ANYONE COMMISSIONER, UM MEYER WAS SAYING. ALL OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS DOING THIS. SO I'M THINKING OF ALL THESE LANDFILLS. FROM THE FIFTIES FORTIES FIFTIES THAT'S BEEN SITTING ALL THESE YEARS. ARE THESE? AND THEN I'M THINKING WELL, YOU KNOW MAYBE THEY'RE LIKE CLEANER. UH WASN'T THAT MANY PEOPLE BACK IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES AND BEFORE HE'S BUT WHY ARE LANDFILL BUT THERE'S SO MANY. WHY ART. WHY ARE WE INTERESTED IN YOUR LAND? FILL WELL, NUMBER ONE. WE WERE INVITED HERE. WE WERE ASKED TO SUBMIT A REDEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE IN BUSINESS FOR. MM. WE THINK THERE'S A GOOD BUSINESS MODEL HERE. BUT WE'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS TYPE OF RE USE AS WELL. IT'S BEEN MY LIFE'S WORK FOR THE PAST. 30 YEARS IT IS I NEED TO.

I NEED TO ME JUST TO PUT HIM CLARIFICATION. FOR THE RECORD. IT MAY HAVE BEEN, MR MCCARTHY THAT INVITED YOU HERE, BUT THIS IS AN UNSOLICITED OFFER, AND I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RECORDS CLEAR THAT THE CITY OF STEWART DID NOT PICK AN INDIVIDUAL CORPORATION WITHOUT DOING A. PROCUREMENT PROCEDURE. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, CORRECT. WE WERE INVITED HERE BY MR MCCARTHY. AND WE HAD VERY GOOD AND ENCOURAGING CONVERSATIONS WITH PROFESSIONAL STAFF. WITH THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WITH THE CITY MANAGER WHO ENCOURAGED US TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND IMPROVE OUR OFFER. STAFF LIKES THE CONCEPT OR AT LEAST WHEN WE STARTED. THINGS CHANGE POLICIES CHANGE PEOPLE CHANGE POLITICS CHANGE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR TWO YEARS AND ENCOURAGED EVERY STEP OF THE WAY TO, UM STAY ON COURSE. WE LIKE THE CITY OF STEWART VERY MUCH. WE LIKE ITS POLITICAL LEADERSHIP. WE LIKE THE PROPERTY FROM A REDEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE. WE LIKE SOLVING PROBLEMS. WE CAN SEE A VERY GOOD AND RESULT HERE BECAUSE WE'VE LIVED IT. IT'S PART OF OUR LIVED EXPERIENCE. WE'VE BEEN WE'VE SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE. WE VERY MUCH WANT TO BE A PART OF THE FUTURE STORY HERE. THE JOBS, THE ACCELERATED CLEAN UP THE INCREASE IN TAX ROLLS, THE LEVERAGING OF THE SITE FOR BROADER ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION. AN EQUITABLE PARTICIPATION BY FOLKS WHO HAVE A LOT OF ACCESS TO OPPORTUNITY AND FOLKS WHO DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO OPPORTUNITY. THE RAPIDLY CLOSING WINDOW FOR A JOB TRAINING. GRANT IS THE TAIL WAGGING THE DOG, BUT IT'S STILL AN IMPORTANT TAIL. AND IT GOES TO, UM THE VARIOUS WAYS AND WHAT YOU CAN UTILIZE THIS SITE FOR GOOD PUBLIC POLICY. IF YOU CHOOSE TO ACTIVATE THE PART.

THE COMMERCIAL PIECE. THE JOBS. THAT'S WHY WE LIKE IT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MEYER. I JUST WANTED TO PICK UP ON, UH, COMMISSIONER VICE MAYOR. MADISON WAS GOING I YOU KNOW? I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU IN THAT. THIS IS I MEAN, IT'S A LOT. IT'S AN UNSOLICITED OFFER WE IT'S BEEN A LIABILITY FOR US FOR A LONG TIME. YOU KNOW? LUCKILY WE HAVE FOLKS THAT HAVE COMMON HAVE SHOWED US AN IDEA OF WHAT IT COULD BE AND WALKED US THROUGH THE PROCESS. UM. YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK WE ALL JUST WANT TO TAKE A BREATH AND THINK ABOUT. WHAT IT COULD BE FOR US.

NOT JUST WHAT. ONE ONE GROUP OF PROFESSIONALS. THE BEST IN THE GAME IS PREPARING. I THINK IF WE WERE TO GO OUT TO RFP. WHICH IS WHERE MAYBE YOU WERE WALKING A LITTLE BIT. I'M. SORT OF BEEN THAT DIRECTION AS WELL. WE PROBABLY WOULD END UP FINDING THAT. THIS OUTFIT WOULD BE.

AMONG THE BEST CHOICES. UM. BUT I THINK IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW US TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE IDEA OF WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE, AND I THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOU KNOW WHAT BENEFIT THIS COULD PROVIDE TO EVERYBODY. I GUESS IN MY. I'M NOT AGAINST THIS AT ALL. I THE

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REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY IS GREAT. THE LIMITATION OF THE LIABILITY IS GREAT. BUT AGAIN, I'M STILL ALSO NOT CLEAR ON. WHAT I MEAN WHAT THE CLEANUP REALLY LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WASHING OUR HANDS OF IT. YOU'RE TAKING THE LIABILITY AND YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A LINER ON IT, COMPACT IT AND THEN. SO I MEAN, HOW HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DEAL WITH THE P FAST LIKE THAT, FOR ME IS IF WE CAN'T DEAL WITH THE P FAST AND YOU CAN AND YOU'RE GOING TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF OUR GREAT GRANDCHILDREN WHO ARE GOING TO BE LIVING HERE AND DON'T HAVE THAT FOREVER CHEMICAL. GREAT CAN YOU? I MEAN, BUT YOU DIDN'T TELL ME HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MANAGE THAT. WELL, THAT THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S WAY TOO EARLY IN THE PROCESS, OKAY? WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF OUR OWN PROPRIETARY DATA. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DATA YOU HAVE. I COULD BRING UP. I COULD BRING UP THE DIAGRAM AGAIN IF I COULD JUST IF I COULD TRAIN IN JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. THEIR RESPONSIBILITY WILL PUT TO BRING THE P FEST WITH INTO THE COMPLIANCE OF THE D E P. WHICH AS OF TODAY, 70 PARTS PER TRILLION. IT IS NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO BRING THE PFS. TO UNDETECTABLE LEVELS, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO. THE THERE ARE VERY FEW DATA POINTS IN THE LANDFILL. I THINK TWO OR THREE AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF HOLES THAT NEED TO BE FILLED. BEFORE WE CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN AND BY THE WAY. THE PLAN IN TERMS OF REDEVELOPMENT ALWAYS INTEGRATES THE REDEVELOPMENT ITSELF. YOU LEVERAGE. THE SITE DEVELOPMENT OR IN A CONSTRUCTION WORK. TO ACHIEVE A EFFICIENCIES, PERFORMANCE EFFICIENCIES AND COST EFFICIENCIES. IN TERMS OF THE CLEANER. SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION? WHAT KIND OF CLEAN UP I'LL TELL YOU IN ABOUT $250,000. BECAUSE WE NEED DATA. WE NEED ENGINEERING, AND WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY ABOUT WHAT THE CITY IS WILLING TO ACCEPT FROM A REUSED PERSPECTIVE, BUT YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED. PROCESSES ON YOUR OTHER SITES WHERE YOU HAVE MANAGED TO BRING P FAST. CLEAN UP THE FAST TO WITHIN LEVELS. AND YOU'VE NO NO, SIR. WE DIDN'T SAY THAT. WE'VE NOT DEALT ON A REDEVELOPMENT CONTEXT YET WITH FIFA'S. I'M DEALING WITH IT NOW FOR ABOUT A HALF A DOZEN OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, OKAY AND PRIVATE DEVELOPERS AS WELL. THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A LONG JOURNEY THAT ALL OF US ARE TAKING RIGHT BECAUSE IT IS AN EMERGENT CHEMICAL WITH STILL NOT WELL UNDERSTOOD SCIENCE OR UH OR. REMEDIATION PRACTICES. ALL OF THIS IS VERY NEW, AND IT WOULD BE AN OVERSTATEMENT AND MISREPRESENTATION TO TELL YOU.

THAT WE HAVE ANY MORE EXPERIENCE THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THIS REGARD, BECAUSE WE DON'T OKAY, WE'RE GONNA FIGURE IT OUT. GET THEM THERE. UM. OKAY MR MANN TUNNEL. I HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING BUT GOING ON. UH OH. AFTER LISTENING TO THIS, UM I HAVE, UH, DECIDE. I GUESS I'VE COME TO A PERSONAL CONCLUSION THAT. THE MY CONCERNS ARE OUTWEIGHED BY THE REWARDS THAT TO SAY I DON'T HAVE CONCERNS I DO. UM I THINK THE, UH I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME LONG REACHING OPPORTUNITIES. AND SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION BUT I WANT TO ADD WHAT THEY GIVE YOU SOME CONDITIONS TO IT AND PRETTY MUCH AGREED TO THE CONDITIONS. ONE IS. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE ISSUE ABOUT TITLE INSURANCE AND JUST. CHANGED THE BOX FROZE TO BUY ROPE A TITLE. THAT'S THAT'S A SIMPLE ONE. UM I WANT TO THE, UH, THAT YOU WILL NOT DISCLOSE ANY INFORMATION TO D E FOUR DEPARTMENT. THERE WERE ATTRACTION WITHOUT CONSENT TO THE CITY. CONCURRED. OKAY, UM. THAT YOU WILL PAY FOR A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT CHOSEN BY THE CITY TO REVIEW THE DATA. CONCUR. THAT YOU IN ADVANCE PARDON? IN ADVANCE IN ADVANCE. OKAY THAT YOU WILL DO A MINIMUM OF FIVE ACRES UH, REFORESTED PARK.

CONCURRENT OKAY, AND THAT, UM. TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT I WANT TO ADD REGARDING THE UM AND THAT ANY REDEVELOPMENT. UH, INSURERS THAT, UH, ANY WATER THAT LEAVES THE SITE STORMWATER. AS LEE BEING AT THE APPROPRIATE AT AT THE CLINTON PROPER LEVEL, WHICH I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED THAT ANYWAY, BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STORM WATER. IS

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THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ATTENTION PUT TOWARDS STORMWATER CONCURRENT 1000% I'VE SPENT THREE SLIDES TALKING ABOUT STORM WATER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAST CONDITION WAS. UH YEAH STORMWATER DESIGN WILL COMPLY WITH APPLICABLE STANDARDS FOR CONTAMINATED. I THINK THAT OUR YOU HEAR D PROCESS WILL COVER THAT. BUT UM WELL, PARDON? SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT MOTION. UM AND. THAT AND IF THERE'S ANY INPUT FROM ANYBODY ELSE FOR HIS CONDITION, WHILE I'M MAKING THE MOTION WOULD CERTAINLY OKAY. I WANT TO CLARIFY MOTION WITH CONDITION.

UM ARE WE GONNA POP IT SECOND BEFORE WE START DISCUSSING? I THINK COMMISSIONER MYERS I HAD A QUESTION, BECAUSE BOTH YOU AND, UH. UH AND VICE MAYOR HAD BROUGHT UP THIS DISCLOSURE THING. UM SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IN DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND YOU KNOW, ASSESSING PHASE ONE PHASE TWO. COURT. SAMPLES THAT IF WE FIND SOMETHING REALLY BAD THAT.

YOU CAN PULL OUT, NOT TELL US NO, NO, NOT TELL THE D P. I SAID NOT DISCLOSE IT TO DP WITH IF THEY TELL US, THEY DISCLOSED, THEY JUST I JUST WANNA I TOTALLY GET. I TOTALLY GET THE THOUGHT PROCESS THERE. I REALLY DO. BUT LIKE IT DOESN'T HELP US. WHAT DO WE THINK IS GOING TO BE THERE LIKE NUCLEAR WASTE? THEY PULL OUT. WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW THERE'S A MAJOR PROBLEM THAT THERE TOO. THAT IT WASN'T COST FEASIBLE THEM TO DO IT RIGHT. BUT I DON'T WANT IS STUFF I WOULD THINK SO. SO INCREASE OUR LIABILITY AND WRITE. WHAT I DON'T WANT IS THE D E P PRIOR TO. IS MY BIGGEST. MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT THAT, UH, THAT THEY START THE WHAT IS IT CALLED THE REMEDIAL ACTION PLAN PROCESS PRIOR TO CLOSING, RIGHT AND THEN. THAT OPENS UP A CAN OF WORD FOR THEM. THEY PULL OUT SO I DON'T ABSOLUTELY WON'T BECAUSE THEY ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE. THE CONTRACT REQUIRES APPROVAL OF THE REMEDIAL ACTION PAN PRIOR TO CLOSING. SO THEY DON'T CLOSE UNLESS IT'S APPROVED. DID. BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT SAID NO, THEY HAVE.

WELL THEY GET A LETTER FROM THE D E P KIND OF LIKE WHEN WE HAVE A DEVELOPER COME IN, AND THE GPS TO GIVE THEM THE. LETTER THAT THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD, BUT IT'S NOT THE FINAL APPROVAL UNTIL THEY SUBMIT THE PERMITS TO THEM. AT THE END. IT'S A LETTER THAT THEY GET FROM THE DP THAT ESSENTIALLY NEGOTIATES THE REMEDIAL ACTION PLAN CONDITIONED UPON CERTAIN THINGS OCCURRING OVER THE NEXT PERIOD OF TIME. I THOUGHT THAT WAS AFTER CLOSING, MR GOLDSTEIN SAID. IT WAS AFTER I BELIEVE IT'S AFTER CLOSING THE. APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAN IS AFTER CLOSING THE SUBMITTAL. AND INITIAL APPROVAL BY THE D. E P IS BEFORE THE CLOSING. AND I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BROWNFIELDS FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH HERE, BUT ASK. THE MEMBER FOR THE ACCURACY OF THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT IS THAT SOME MORE CHILL IN THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE OF THIS NOT FAR BAR CRUNCH, OKAY? TO YOUR ARE YOU ADDING THAT THE WRITER? I DON'T SEE IT? I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK IT'S IN. DO YOU, IN FACT, SUBMIT ANYTHING TO THE BEFORE YOU CLOSE? NO. WITH YOU AND I WERE DISCUSSING THE INDEMNIFICATION. YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULDN'T INDEMNIFY IT UNTIL IT WAS APPROVED. NO, NO, NO, THERE'S NO ONE. THERE'S NO INDEMNIFICATION. LET'S BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS. THE CITY IS NOT INDEMNIFY. YOU SAID YOU WOULD BAND THE CLEANUP. ONCE IT WAS APPROVED ONCE THE REMEDIAL ACTION PLAN IS APPROVED. WHICH GETS SUBMITTED AFTER CLOSING, PROVIDED THAT WE CLOSE THEN WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE A BOND BECAUSE YOU RIGHTLY POINTED OUT SMARTLY POINTED OUT WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU GO AWAY. AFTER YOU CLOSE AND WE'RE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG. SO YOU'RE CLOSE WITHOUT SUBMITTING ANYTHING TO THE D P AND THEN HE COMES BACK. AND SAYS IT'S A IT'S A $10 TRILLION. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. I UNDERSTAND MY JOB IS TO LOOK AT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. THEY COULD COME BACK AND SAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING EITHER. BUT I'M NOT ASSUMING THAT EITHER WHAT COULD HAPPEN IS IF WE DON'T QUOTE IF WE DON'T LIKE WHAT WE SEE WE'RE NOT GOING TO CLOSE. IF WE CLOSE WELL. WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS TO SUBMIT A RAP. IF IT GETS APPROVED, WILL BOND THE RAP. IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE RIGHT TO GUARD AGAINST IT IDENTIFIES YOU. NO, NO, NO. OKAY SO IT'S NOT AND IT'S NOT AN INDEMNITY. IT COVERS YOU FOR EXPOSURE. BUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE DOES NOT COVER STEWART. SO LET'S NOT PRETEND NO, NO, NO.

SO THE LANGUAGE. AS YOU NEGOTIATED PROVIDES THAT WE USE OUR BEST EFFORTS. TO HAVE, STEWART ADDED, AS AN ADDITIONAL INSURED WE THAT WAS IN RENDITION LIKE 12. BUT THEN I WAS TOLD THAT BECAUSE STEWART WAS THE PERSON THAT CREATED THE PROBLEM, THEY COULDN'T BE AT IT.

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MUCH COVERAGE FOR STEWART AS WE CAN. AND IN MY EMAIL, I SAID, THEN LET'S GET IT BEFORE THE MEETING. NO, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO GET THE INSURANCE NOW, UNTIL WE HAVE THE UNDERWRITING INTO A WORKING OFF THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAD THAT DID SAY YOU'D USE YOUR BEST EFFORT. EXACTLY.

THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. I MEAN, SOMETIMES I USE MY BEST STAFFORD'S AND PARENTING MY DAUGHTER, AND SHE STILL HAS A TEMPER TANTRUM. WELL UNDERSTOOD. AMERICA I CAN'T HOLD ON A SECOND MOTION. YES, I WHAT I WANT TO ASK IS. WHEN YOU SAY YOUR USE YOUR BEST EFFORTS TO ENSURE US AS WELL TO GET US AN INSURANCE AS WELL, IF YOU'RE IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY. WHAT I MEAN. WHAT LIABILITY? DO WE HAVE ANY MORE? WHY DO WE WANT INSURANCE? HERE'S WHY, THAT APPLIES PLENTY. THE ANSWER IS BECAUSE IF, FOR SOME REASON WE GO AWAY. WHICH WE DON'T INTEND TO DO. I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR A LONG TIME. BUT IF WE GO AWAY. ANY PARTY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE CHAIN OF TITLE. HAS RESIDUAL LIABILITY. OKAY OKAY, SO THIS IS A BACKSTOP. AGAINST ANY CLAIMS UNLIKELY AS THAT MAY BE BEING BROUGHT AGAINST THE CITY. IT WOULD BE LOGICAL FOR THE COMMISSION TO SAY WHAT'S OR INSURANCE IN THE EVENT THAT YOU GO AWAY. THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YOUR INSURANCE IS INSURANCE.

RIGHT THAT'S WHY I WENT THROUGH THE SLIDES WHERE I TALKED ABOUT WHERE I SHOWED THE BEST IN CLASS ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE COMPANIES THAT PROVIDE ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE EXHALE.

BERKELEY UM, LLOYD'S ETCETERA OKAY AND WHY I PUT UP A GUIDANCE DOCUMENTATION WHERE EPA PROMOTES THE USE OF ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE TO FACILITATE THESE TRANSACTIONS, SO THAT NERVOUS SELLERS. CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT THAT THEY DON'T JUST HAVE TO RELY ON GOLDSTEIN HAVING ENOUGH MONEY IN HIS BACK POCKET. LIKE. COME UP TO THE MIKE. MR CLYDE. WE CAN'T BIND THAT INSURANCE. AND WHEN YOU TELL YOU'VE DONE THE APPROPRIATE TESTING TO HAVE THE INFORMATION TO GIVE TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY SO THEY CAN UNDERWRITE THE RISK AND TELL US HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST AND KNOW WHAT THEY'LL INSURE UP TO BUT IT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

I FEEL LIKE WE WENT OVER THIS AND IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO COVER THE CITY BECAUSE THE ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE THAT YOU WOULD OBTAIN. IS GOING TO BE, I THINK A 10 OR 20 YEAR POLICY. AND THEN IT WILL BE FOR BOTH EXISTING AND NEW CONDITIONS BASED UPON DISCLOSURES AND FEASIBILITY, IF, IN FACT, YOU WERE TO FIND PCBS ON THE SITE, AND IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT PCB. MATTER. YOU'RE SAYING YOU COULD STILL GET ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE THAT WOULD COVER THE CLEANUP FOR THAT. ARE YOU TALKING? IT WOULD COVER JUST IF IT WENT OFF SITE, SO LET'S LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE IS VERY INTERESTING AND VERY USEFUL FOR KNOWN CONTAMINANTS. CONSISTENT WITH THE NOTION YOU CAN'T INSURE AGAINST A BURNING BUILDING. THAT THAT'S EXACTLY THE RIGHT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE FOR THE COST OF CLEAN UP, BUT EVEN WITH RESPECT AND KNOWN CONTAMINANTS.

YOU CAN GET COVERAGE MANY TIMES FOR THIRD PARTY BODILY INJURY CLAIMS. AND THIRD PARTY PROPERTY DAMAGE CLAIMS. SO IF WE DISCOVER THAT THE CONTAMINATION IS MIGRATED, OFFSITE AND IMPACTED. PICK ANY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER OPERATOR AND THEY SUE US AND THEY SUE THE CITY. FOR THEIR INABILITY TO GET FINANCING. OR THEIR INABILITY TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY FOR X. NOW IT'S 60% X. THOSE TYPES OF CLAIMS, EVEN WITH RESPECT TO KNOWN, CONTAMINATION BY AND LARGE GET PICKED UP BY ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE. WHAT WE ARE REPRESENTING IS THAT WE WILL DO A KNIFE PLACED A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE. AND A VERY TRANSPARENT WAY CITY WILL BE COPIED ON EVERY COMMUNICATION THAT IT WANTS TO BE. WE'RE GOING TO ASK THAT THE CITY RECEIVED THE SAME COVERAGE THAT WE RECEIVED. MANY TIMES.

WHEN A INSURANCE COMPANIES BEING ASKED TO ENSURE A SELLER. THE INSURANCE COMPANY WILL SAY YES, PROVIDED THAT THE SELLER DIDN'T CAUSE THE ACTUAL CONTAMINATION. THAT THEY ARE AS INNOCENT AS THE BUYER IS, THAT'S EASY TO DO. WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND MAKE THAT CASE WHERE IT BECOMES MORE COMPLICATED IS WHERE THE SELLER ACTIVELY PLAYED A ROLE IN CAUSING THE CONTAMINATION. THAT'S A VERY HARD PILL FOR AN INSURANCE COMPANY TO SWALLOW. OKAY SO WE HAVE, UM, DID YOU DID WE HAVE A SECOND? MR JUST DISAPPOINTED CLARIFICATION, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE CITY OF STEWART IS NOT ALLOWED TO SHARE IN THE TAX CREDITS IS BECAUSE IT CREATED THE CONDITIONS. THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T GET OUR RIGHT CLEAN UP OURSELVES. WHERE THE POLLUTING AGENCY. WHICH TO ME, MEANS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT CREATED THE CONDITION WHICH IS GOING TO MAKE IT REALLY HARD TO ENSURE. OKAY, HERE'S WHERE I'M AT. TO EUROPE, BRIGHTPOINT WE ARE CURRENTLY HOLDING THE BAG. SO YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT AGREE WITH

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YOU ON THAT WE MIGHT ALREADY HAVE THAT IT MIGHT BE HOLDING THE BAG WITH THEM AS WELL. BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY HOLDING THE BAG RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW? IT I'M NOT. I'M NOT SATISFIED THAT WE ARE COMPLETELY PROTECTED IN THE FUTURE WITH YOU, BUT WE'RE NOT PROTECTED RIGHT NOW. UM. AND THAT AND THAT KIND OF WAS MY DISCUSSION. I. I LET IT GO FORWARD BECAUSE AFTER DISCUSSING IT WITH THE APPLICANTS, THE SITUATION WAS EXACTLY THAT. THE ISSUE WAS IT WAS RISK YOU ARE EXPOSED. THERE IS NO WAY TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM EXPOSURE, BECAUSE IF YOU DO NOTHING, YOU'RE STILL EXPOSED. THERE'S NO INSURANCE. IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING TODAY, EITHER. I JUST WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THIS RECORD THAT THERE WAS NO TIME THAT I EVER THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS INSURANCE THAT WAS GOING TO COVER THE CITY OF STEWART IN THIS CONTRACT. SO, WHICH IS ANOTHER HESITATION NIGHT WHEN WE START. SOMEBODY STARTS MUCKING AROUND IN THERE. I GUESS MY QUESTION BEFORE IT WAS. WELL WHY WOULDN'T WE WOULDN'T WE WANT TO KNOW IF THERE WAS SOMETHING CRAZY IN THERE. BUT I GUESS THE IDEA IS THAT IF YOU START DIGGING AROUND AND YOU FIND SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY IS IN TROUBLE.

BUT IT'S THE FACT THAT THE LOGIC IS SO BACKWARDS TO ME. I MEAN, IF THERE'S A IF THERE'S A SERIOUS HEALTH RISK SITTING IN THE LANDFILL, DON'T YOU HAVE A DUTY TO FIX IT? I MEAN, YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S THE THING THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO PLAY HOT POTATO HERE GPS SAYING THAT YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I MEAN, JUST POSING A RISK TO HEALTH AND HUMAN SAFETY. SO RIGHT YOUR POINT. WHETHER WE FIND IT OR SOMEBODY ELSE FINDS IT DOWN THE ROAD. IT'S STILL HARPING YOUR WE HAVE THE DP SAYING AND MULTIPLE PARTIES SAYING WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB ASIDE FROM THE FAST. AND YEAH, JASON PROPERTY OWNERS CELLS AND THEY DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL AND FIND OUT THAT THE PLUME IS SPREAD INTO. THERE'S SO BUT WE'RE ALREADY BUT WE'RE CURRENTLY THEY SELL THEIR PROBLEM. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED AND STRESSED THAT YOU'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR TWO YEARS, BUT FOR THE FIVE OF US UP HERE. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS AND THAT WE'VE REVIEWED THE DATA. AND THAT'S WHY I'M HESITANT AT THIS POINT. BUT FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD. YOU HAVE A LOT OF WILLINGNESS TO GO FORWARD. BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME RELUCTANCE AND DESIRE FOR MORE KNOWLEDGE. ON THE ISSUE AND. THERE'S CLEARLY SOME STUFF THAT'S NOT QUITE LINING UP WITH THE DISCUSSIONS OF INSURANCE AND NOT BUT FOR THE FIVE US. YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. WE HAVEN'T BEEN COMMUNICATING ABOUT THIS FOR TWO YEARS, AND THIS IS NEW KNOWLEDGE TO US AND ALSO AS AS ONE OF THE PERIOD CLARIFICATION. I NEED TO BE CLEAR THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE.

FIRST CONTRACT WITH TENDERED TO THE CITY IN 2021. WHEN THEY SAID THEY'VE BEEN WORKING OUT FOR TWO YEARS, MR MCCARTHY AND THE APPLICANT GOT TOGETHER AND STARTED DOING SITE REVIEWS AND LOOKING AT THE SITE. THEY STARTED APPROACHING CITY COMMISSIONERS AND MEETING WITH YOU. THEY'RE APPROACHING CITY STAFF AND DOING OTHER STUFF. WE HAVE NOT BEEN WORKING ON THIS CONTRACT FOR TWO YEARS. IT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING IS THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO BRING IT FORWARD. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY MANAGER. WE HAD CAP TECH. LOOK AT THE PROPERTY. YEP. FOR ME. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT ABOUT MORE INFORMATION. MAYBE. THE CITY CAN CONTACT CAP TAX. AND ASK THEM AND MAYBE WE CAN LIKE I CAN ALSO TRAIN IN A LITTLE BIT TO THE OTHER BROWNFIELD EXPERTS THAT SO I THINK THAT MICHAEL IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN SAYING THAT. NO. ONE IS REALLY GOING TO KNOW. UNTIL THEY DO THE TESTING. SO WE COULD GO TO CAP TECH AND SAY WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE LANDFILL AND THEY CAN TELL US HISTORICALLY, THAT IT WAS A STRIPPED LANDFILL AND THAT THERE'S 20 FT WIDE DIRT 20 FT WIDE. GARBAGE 20 FT WIDE DIRT 20 FT WIDE GARBAGE ROUGHLY 15 TO 20 FT. DEEP BUT WHEN YOU SAY, WELL, WHAT'S THE POLLUTION IN THERE? THEY'RE GOING TO SAY WELL, WOULD YOU PUT IN THERE? BUT THE THING IS WE'RE CURRENTLY I MEAN THAT THAT SITE IS CURRENTLY BEING RAINED ON. IT'S CURRENTLY BEING MONITORED AND, YOU KNOW. IT'S ACTIVELY. WE'VE BEEN ACTIVELY WORKING ON IT FOR THE LAST, HOWEVER LONG 20 YEARS SO BUT I FEEL LIKE WE. IT'S A BAG THAT I WANT TO GET RID OF. I DON'T. YOU'VE BEEN TURNING AND TURNING IT AND I'D LIKE FOR THEM TO CARRY IT. UH AND I WOULD, TOO, AND I WOULD LIKE IT TO NEVER, EVER COME BACK. PROMISE YOU THAT THAT WOULD BE MY DREAM COME TRUE.

AND I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT THE NORTH POINT. YEAH YEAH, I DON'T SEE THE POINT, THOUGH, OF HAVING A CONSULTANT REVIEW. AFTER THE FACT I SEE THE BENEFIT OF HEARING FROM A

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CONSULTANT. NO EDUCATE OURSELVES. AND NOW WE COULD THINK YOU'VE ALREADY HAD THAT.

I MEAN, CAP TECH ALREADY GAVE YOU GUYS THAT PRESENTATION. YEAH HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN THAT WE SPOKE? IS IT BEEN TWO YEARS WE'VE BEEN WORKING AT THIS FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW. MY CORRECT CONTRACTS WEREN'T TRADED UNTIL YOU KNOW THE LAST. NINE MONTHS OR WHATEVER IT UNTIL THE COMMISSION AUTHORIZED US TO NEGOTIATE WITH YOU ON THIS CONTRACT AND RETURN RIGHT, SO.

UM I WILL BELIEVE DAVE, THOUGH YOU DID HAVE SOME DIALOGUE WITH SOMEBODY AT THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT TWO. EVALUATED OR LOOK AT IT CORRECT. WAS SOME DIALOGUE THAT THERE WAS A REASON PLANNING COUNCIL HAS A GRANT PROGRAM THAT YOU CAN APPLY FOR A GRANT TO DETERMINE BROWNFIELD SO FORTH, BUT WE WERE WORKING AT THAT TIME WITH A DIFFERENT. CONSULTANT ON A DIFFERENT PROJECT THAT IT NEVER FOLLOWED THROUGH, OKAY. THAT THIS CITY. DID INVESTIGATION AT SOME POINTS AS TO WHAT THE PROCEDURES AND PROCESS WHERE TO PURSUE A BROWNFIELD ENUMERATION RIGHT WAS NOT ANY SPECIFIC TESTING WHATSOEVER. IT WASN'T SPECIFIC SITE ORIENTED TO THE EXTENT THAT IT NEVER GOT SURVEYED OR DEFINED AND. THE BIGGEST HICCUP THAT WAS ALWAYS FOUND IS THAT. THE CITY COULDN'T QUALIFY. FOR THE TAX CREDIT, SO THE ONLY WAY REALLY TO DO IT. WOULD BE TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY COMMIT RIGHT EXACTLY WHICH IS WHAT BROUGHT US TO THIS RIGHT IN TIME CAN COMMISSIONER MCDONALD'S CAN JUST MAKE AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT? WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CITY, DOING A GOOD JOB CLEANING IT UP YOUR. NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN MONITORING IT. YOU'RE NOT REALLY DEALING WITH THE ROOT OF THE ISSUE AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU SOLVE THE ISSUE. THAT'S MY PERCEPTION. YOU KNOW YOU CAN SPEND $50,000 A YEAR AND DO.

TESTING OF THE WATER AND DO THESE LITTLE NOMINAL THINGS THAT KEEPS DP HAPPY, BUT YOU'RE STILL NOT DEALING WITH THE CONTAMINANT AND MAKING SOMETHING HAPPEN AND REDEVELOPING THE SITE, WHETHER THAT BE A PARK. WHICH IS. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO CLEAN UP TO EVEN MAKE A PARK. I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT LET'S REALLY LET'S LOOK. HOLD ON. WHAT? WHAT I'M NOT GETTING AT IS WHAT I WANT TO HEAR IS FROM. WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO REMEDIATED? AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, WE DON'T KNOW. YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL THEY DO THEY DO THE TWO. THEY DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. WELL AND THAT'S JUST TIME ON THAT DRESS IS A SECOND. THERE'S A WELL 25 OUT THERE. THE WELL IS PUMPING WATER AND PUTTING THE WATER BACK IN THE LAKE OUT THERE AND ESSENTIALLY. FILTERING THAT WATER AND PUTTING IT IN THE LAKE CLEAN AGAIN SO IT CAN PERCOLATE DOWN IN ITS HAVING THE EFFECTIVE CLEANING IT THROUGH DILUTION AND FILTRATION, AND IT'S ALSO HAVING THE FACT OF PULLING ANY FLU. BACK INTO AN ON SITE. THE NEW THE NEW GAME THAT THE CITY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT WHEN IT ENTERED INTO ANY OF THE AGREEMENTS WITH THE D P ON THIS LANDFILL WAS WHAT API PFOA IS RIGHT. WHICH FOLLOWS THE SAME KIND OF PRACTICE. BUT SO, COMMISSIONER, CAN YOU REMIND EVERYBODY WHAT YOUR MOTION WAS WITH YOUR YEAH.

OKAY, I'LL TRY TO REMEMBER. SO IT SEEMS LIKE YOU WOULD A LIFETIME. THE CLERK. OKAY SO MOVE MOVE TO MOVE FORWARD. UM. WITH CHANGING THE CHECK THE BOX WHERE THIS WHERE THE BUYER FACE TITLE. WHERE UM, LET'S SEE. WE HAD THE REFORESTATION OF A MINIMUM OF FIVE ACRES. FIRST THAT CAN BE A PART REINFORCED IT AS A SOME SORT OF PARK. UM, THAT WE. THAT THEY DO NOT, UH, MAKE ANY SUBMIT ALS TWO D E P FOR THE RENEWAL ACTION PLAN UNTIL AFTER THEY CLOSE. THEY DON'T MAKE THE APPLICATION. THAT THEY PROVIDE, UH THEIR DATA TO US. TO HAVE REVIEWED BY THIRD PARTY CONSULT ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT AT THEIR EXPENSE. AGREE AGREE, AGREE. AGREE YEAH, AND THEN FINALLY, THE LAST THING I BELIEVE, WAS THE STORM WATER.

THE STORM WATER BEING. UM YES, ENSURE THAT THE STORM WATER MEETS ALL PROPER STANDARDS, WHICH WILL BE REQUIRED BY THE P U D ANYWAYS. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S A REMINDER BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE. UH ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT THERE'S A P U D. WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A P U D OR WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE IF YOU D WHATEVER. BUT WE HAVE WE HAVE WATER QUALITY STANDARDS, RIGHT? AND HE COULD BEAT THAT AT A MINIMUM. AND YOU KNOW WHAT IF YOU CANNOT THROW IN THERE THAT YOU USE A REGULAR SHAPED PONDS AND LATERAL PLANTINGS, BECAUSE THE ONLY REASON I'M RAISING THIS ISSUE IS THAT. WHEN IS IT THAT THEY HAVE TO START PROTECTING THE RUN OFF 10 YEARS LATER WHEN THEY APPLY TO BUILD THE BUILDING WHEN THEY BUILT. SO IF THEY DON'T BUILD FOR 10 YEARS, THE WATER CAN RUN OFF. LET'S

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CURRENTLY RUNNING OFF, RIGHT, BUT THAT'S AFTER THEY OWN IT. THEY SO IF THEY WERE ENUMERATED SHOULD BE UPON COMPLETION OF THE ENUMERATION. IT WOULD HAVE THE TWO FT STEM WALL OR WHATEVER IS GOING TO BE TO PUT CAPITAL B. THE PEOPLE OR WHATEVER IT IS. IT'S AT THE AT THE COMPLETION OF WHATEVER THAT REMUNERATION IS, TO ME WOULD BE WHEN THE. WATER RUNOFF IS ALSO PROTECTED. AND I'M JUST LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION. IF THAT'S A PROBLEM. TELL ME NOW. YEAH I'M I'M HAPPY TO KNOW IF IT'S A PROBLEM, BUT I DON'T I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROPOSAL. WHAT IS IT SPECIFICALLY SAYING IS THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE AGREEING THAT THE ANY STORM WATER. FROM THE SITE WOULD BE MEETING THE APPLICABLE POLLUTED POLLUTION STANDARDS, ETCETERA. THE COMMISSIONER MCDONALD'S. MOTION WAS THAT AT SUCH TIME AS A DEVELOPMENT ORDER WAS APPROVED OR WHEN YOU CAME AND PULLED THE PERMIT AND BUILT THE BUILDING. YOU WOULD DO THAT. MY CONCERN IS. WE NEED TO DEVELOPMENT ORDER OUR PERSONAL CALLED THE NORTH POINT IN 2000 AND FIVE AND IT'S NOT QUITE BROKEN GROUND YET. SO IF THAT WAS ON THAT SITE WOULD BE 15 YEARS INTO IT. AND IF, IN FACT THERE WAS NO STORM WATER PRESERVATION GOING ON. THERE WOULD BE NO PROTECTION THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING RUNNING OFF OR NOT. SO WHAT? I WAS SUGGESTING THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO PROTECT THAT STORM, WATER AND PRISON, I'M ASSUMING THAT. WHATEVER REMUNERATION PLAN YOU DO WOULD MAKE IT SO THAT THAT'S PROBABLY COVERED ANYWAY, BUT REMEDIATION PLAN. YEAH I'M HEARING REMUNERATION PLANE. I'M SORRY ENUMERATION PLAN WOULD HAVE SOME. REMEDIATION PLAN REMEDIATION PLAN WOULD HAVE SOME PROTECTIONS ANYWAY. BUT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS MOTION PUT A TIME FRAME WHEN. THAT STORM WATER STANDARD WOULD BE IMPOSED AND THAT IT NOT BE UPON PERMIT OR CONSTRUCTION, BUT THAT RATHER THAN IT BE PART OF THAT, D E P PLAN AND THEN AT THE END OF THAT, WHENEVER THAT IS UNDER YOUR AGREEMENT. INCLUDE THAT THE STORM WATER WILL BE PROTECTED AT THAT TIME. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE ANYWAY BECAUSE THE DEEPLY WOULDN'T ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT THAT ALLOWED. ABOVE LEVEL TOXIC SUBSTANCES TO RUN OFF ONTO ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE THAT'S NOT IN OUR BECAUSE THE COMMISSIONER MOTION SAID IT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO KIND OF OUR CODES LIKE THE STORM WATER WE DON'T HAVE. WE DON'T CONTEMPLATE THAT IN OUR CODE TOXIC TOXICITY. A STORMWATER WOULD THAT WORK FOR YOU? I MEAN, WHAT. LET ME SEE THIS. WE WANT TO WE ARE GOING TO APPLY. EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T REQUIRE IT.

WE'RE GOING TO APPLY WITH ALL OF THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS. STORMWATER PROTECTION. THAT'S WHY I'VE GOT THESE TWO. GUIDANCE DOCUMENTS UP ON THE SCREEN, AND THERE ARE FEW MORE THAT FOLLOW IT. BUT SPEAK TO STORMWATER DESIGN AND MANAGEMENT ON CONTAMINATED SITES AND THE USE OF GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE. ON CONTAINMENT ENTERPRISE. YOU WOULD YOU BUILD THOSE SITES WHEN YOU WHEN YOU DO YOUR REMEDIATION? THE STORM UNDER STRUCTURES. THE STORM.

WATER STRUCTURES ARE TYPICALLY CONSTRUCTED WHEN THE SITE IS DEVELOPED. THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S RIGHT. AND IN THE REMEDIATE KEEP IN MIND. WE MENTIONED THIS A LITTLE EARLIER. THE REMEDIATION IS GOING TO BE PART AND PARCEL OF THE REDEVELOPMENT. OKAY AND OF COURSE, THERE HAS TO BE A FUNDING VEHICLE. TO PAY FOR STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. TO UM, REDESIGN AND CONSTRUCT STORMWATER DRAINAGE FACILITIES WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR STRUCTURES EVEN CONCEPTUALIZED YET THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY SO I'LL SECOND THE MOTION WITH THE CLEAR IF WITH FOR THE SCRIPT CLARIFICATION. THE FIVE ACRES SET ASIDE. TO I'VE HEARD TO BE PUT INTO A PARK AND YOU SAID REFORESTED FOR USE AS A PARK. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I MEAN, THAT'S LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. YEAH FIVE ACRES FOR A PUBLIC PARK WITH FORCED ELEMENTS. AS DIRECTED BY THE COMMISSION THROUGH STAFF. OKAY, SO. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT LIKE WHEN IN MY MIND AND AFFORESTATION PIECE IS OF THE FOREST, NOT JUST. A COUPLE STICKS, RIGHT? WE WANT TO DO A BANG UP JOB. OKAY COMMISSIONER MARK THAT GREW EARLIER. GOOD THOUGHT. UM OKAY. WELL, THERE'S A MOTION IN A SECOND. I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SAY A WORD. UM MY CHOICE. I WANT TO THANK ALL MY COMMISSIONERS FOR TALKING FOR ME ABOUT EVERYTHING. THE EDUCATION, THE LIABILITY, YOU KNOW? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS COMPACTED WHERE THERE'S THE METHANE GOAL. WHAT HAPPENED? YOU MENTIONED FARMING AND I WONDER WHAT HAPPENS WITH CONTAMINANTS WHEN WE RE FORCE IT. DO WE PUT THE TYPE OF PLANTS IN THERE THAT IS MOST LIKELY? TO STILL GROW BUT ABSORB SOME OF THAT STUFF AND TRY TO GET THE WHOLE THING GOING LIKE A CHERNOBYL TYPE OF THING. YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE, BUT, UM. AND, OF COURSE, THE BEST PRACTICES, SO I THINK

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EVERYBODY HAS KIND OF SAID ALL THE NOTES THAT I'VE SAID, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY IT ANYWAY.

UM SO WE HAVE EMOTIONAL SECOND AND CLARK, DO YOU HAVE ALL OF THE. DETAILS THAT COMMISSIONER MCDONALD HAS YES. I JUST I JUST HAVE TO SAY 11 OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON.

PARAGRAPH 11 PUTS THE BURDEN ON US TO PROVIDE TO THEM EVERY SINGLE NON PRIVILEGED DOCUMENT WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY ON THE LANDFILL. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH. SAYING TO THEM THEY CAN COME LOOK FOR IT. BUT UNLESS YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BUDGET SOMEBODY TO GET THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT'S GOING TO BE COMPLICATED, I THINK, ER WHATEVER YOU WANT. OKAY SO WELL WHAT? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE LANGUAGE WOULD DO QUITE IN WHY I HAD 19 RENDITIONS WHERE I SAID, I WANTED TO TAKE THAT OUT. OKAY? SO I MEAN, WERE SUBJECT TO PUBLIC RECORDS. WE DON'T HAVE PRIVILEGED DOCUMENTS THAT PEOPLE CAN'T LOOK AT. OKAY WHAT LINE IS THAT? THE STRIKE THAT THEN THE WRITER IN THE IN THE FAR BAR AGREEMENT. ITS PARAGRAPH 11. WHICH IS THE WRITER. 56 AND MAYBE IT ISN'T. MAYBE IT'S OUT. THUNDER BEST PRACTICES AND. DELIVERY OF DOCUMENTS 11. SO AND WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, MIKE, MR MARTEL WANT TO STRENGTH 11.

NO AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY NEED DOCUMENTS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY CAN'T DO THIS WITHOUT DOCUMENTS, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AGREE THAT WE'RE GIVING THEM ACCESS TO WHATEVER DOCUMENTS THEY NEED.EY I JUST KEPT SHIFTING THE BURDEN FROM THIS GIVES US 45 DAYS TO GIVE THEM TRUE AND COMPLETE COPIES OF. A ALL ENGINEERING AND GEOTECHNICAL REPORTS. BE ALL ENVIRONMENTAL REPORTS AND STUDIES SEE ALL SURVEYS THE ALL PLANS, PLANTS, ENGINEERING STUDIES SOIL TOPOGRAPHY. REPORTS TO REPORTS COMMITMENT POLICIES, SURVEYS, WETLAND STUDIES, ENVIRONMENTAL REPORTS, RADIATION REPORTS OF OIL AND GAS LEASES, IF ANY. AND THAT COULD BUILD BACK. I'M ASSUMING TO 1914 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE STARTED, BUT I KNOW THAT IT IS NOT GOING TO BE MUCH IN THE WAY OF RECORDS BACK THEN, BUT 45 DAYS IS A FAST TIME PERIOD AND I KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO GET TO IT, SO IT'S PROBABLY THE CLERK THAT'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, AND SHE DOESN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE LANDFILL, SO IT'S GOING TO BE HARD FOR HER TO DO IT. JUST HAS SOME SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS. THE STANDARD TIME FRAME FOR TURNING OVER SELLERS. DOCUMENTS TO BUYER IS TYPICALLY 3 TO 5 DAYS. WE SAID THAT'S TOO QUICK. WE ASKED FOR 40. WE OFFERED 45 WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS FINE. IF THE CITY NEEDS MORE TIME, THAT'S FINE. THESE ARE CONVENTIONAL. I CAN START WATCHING MY EMAILS OF THE RELATES TO THIS. WELL, SHOULD I? I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO BUT I WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THIS RECORD THAT I WROTE EMAILS THAT PEOPLE PROBABLY DON'T LIKE ME FOR AS IT RELATES TO THIS PARAGRAPH. READ THEM, SIR. LET'S HEAR YOU DAYS. FINE WHAT CAN WE I MEAN, THANK YOU, AND WHO'S GOING TO DO IT? WHAT VALUE WHEN WE'RE WHEN WE'RE IN BREACH, BY THE WAY, BECAUSE WE DON'T PRODUCE ALL THE RECORDS. MHM THE WHOLE CONTRACTS OFF. HE WAS SPEAKING. BUT NOBODY WOULD LET MR MORTAL SPEAK. LET MR MORTAL SPEAK. AND THEN MR GOLDSTEIN, AND THEN IF WE HAVE.

ANY OF OUR MOTION. PERSONS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK MY CONCERN THAT I'VE EXPRESSED IN EVERY SINGLE EMAIL THAT IT CAME UP. WAS THAT ONCE THE CITIES IN BREACH OF THE CONTRACT THE CITY IS NOT ENTITLED. TO SAY THAT THE APPLICANT OR THAT THE BUYER IS IN BREACH BECAUSE WE BREACHED FIRST, THE CITY WILL BE BREACHING ON DAY 46 FOR SOMEONE TO PARAGRAPH 11 OF THIS CONTRACT BECAUSE WE WILL NOT DO IT. WE'VE NEVER PRODUCED EVERY RECORD TO ANYTHING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES AND WE DON'T HAVE THE FACILITIES TO KNOW WHAT EVERY RECORD IS. WHAT DO YOU WANT? AND WE'LL HAVE TOLD THEM COME UP NOW. I TOLD HIM TO COME BEFORE THE CONTRACT AND COME LOOK AT IT. LOOK AT EVERY RECORD, THEY WANT TO MAKE THE RECORDS AVAILABLE TO THEM TO FIND RATHER THAN US, PRODUCE THEM AND DELIVER THEM UNDERSTAND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO SAY TO THEM, OKAY, WE'LL JUST FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF. WE OBVIOUSLY ARE GOING TO COOPERATE WITH THEM AND TRY TO GIVE THEM EVERYTHING. AND I WOULD AGREE. IF I HAD EVERYTHING IN MY OFFICE RIGHT NOW, THIS WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE. I WOULD JUST HAND IT TO HIM. BUT IN LESS. UNLESS SOMEBODY. CAN COME FORWARD AND TELL ME WHERE THESE RECORDS ARE AND WHAT THESE RECORDS ARE. I DON'T HAVE ANY. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. I DON'T HAVE ANY RECORDS. HOW ABOUT ALL KNOWN RECORD? YES. EXCUSE ME. YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

AND IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE DIDN'T I MEAN GRAB HOLD ON, MR MEYER. SAME

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THING GOES DOWN IN PARAGRAPH 12 WHERE WE HAVE A 30 DAY TIME FRAME FOR SOMETHING ELSE. BUT I KNOW THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF NUMBER 11 WITH REGARD TO THESE ITEMS, MR MEYER. I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS IS A THIS IS A REALLY BIG DEAL AND. IT'S CLEAR THAT OUR OWN STAFF IS CONCERNED.

ABOUT THIS, SO I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW MY SECOND UNTIL WE CAN CAN FEEL CONFIDENT. THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN BREACH OF OUR OWN CONTRACT SCREWING THE REST OF THIS. DOWN THE LINE. I CAN SAY THE AND AGAIN. I HAVE. NEVER LITIGATED THE WORD BEST EFFORTS. I ASSUME IT'S SUBJECTIVE IN NATURE. AND I ASSUME THAT A VERY EXPENSIVE TRIAL LAWYER COULD ARGUE. THAT IF WE ONLY SEARCHED 55 SEARCH TERMS, AND WE COULD HAVE SEARCHED 155 SEARCH TERMS THAT WE DIDN'T USE OUR BEST EFFORTS. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT PLAYS OUT, AND I WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR. THAT. WHAT I SAID IN THE EMAILS WAS LISTEN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT REFUGEE WANT. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BROWNFIELDS. I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS PLAYS INTO IT. I DO NOT WANT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF BEING THE GUY THAT FAILED TO PRODUCE THE RECORD BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT EXISTED. SO IF YOU WANT TO COME LOOK AT RECORDS. I'LL MEET YOU THERE SATURDAY. I MEAN, I DON'T CARE WHEN SUNDAY NIGHT AT MIDNIGHT, WHATEVER TIME AND IF IT'S AGAIN AND I GET IT. THEY. THERE'S A TIMING THING. OBVIOUSLY, THEY WANT TO INCUR THE MONEY AND THE TIME OF THE AGGRAVATION OF DOING IT IF THEY DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY BUT AT THE SAME TIME MY CONCERN IS. WE ARE GOING TO BREACH IT. I MEAN, THERE IS NO AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT BEST EFFORTS MEANS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. WE ARE. LOOK WE ARE STATUTORY ALY RESPONSIBLE TO GIVE NOT JUST THEM. BUT EVERYBODY ON THE PLANET THAT ASKS EVERY ONE OF THE RECORDS LISTED IN THAT PARAGRAPH. AND THEN I'M FINE WITH THAT, BECAUSE THEN I THEN I CAN COVER IT. BUT MARY IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT ANYWAY. YEAH, BUT. THE DIFFERENCES ARE NOT STUCK WITH IT IN THIS BREACHING THIS CONTRACT, OKAY? THAT'S FINE. THAT SOLVES MY PROBLEM IS THAT AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE HAD AGREED ON MANY RENDITIONS AGAIN TO STRIKE TO EVERYTHING ELSE. STAYS THE SAME EXTRACT PARAGRAPH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SECOND, MR MARTEL. THAT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER. I'LL SLEEP TONIGHT. OKAY ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS IN THERE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT DO BUT WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE KNOW. CAN WE WAIT ON? CAN WE GIVE IT A CHANCE FOR YOU TO GO OVER SOME STUFF WITH THEM AND. THIS HAS A LOT TO ME.

IT HAS A LOT OF BOILERPLATE LANGUAGE THAT SOMETIMES GOT SOME NUMBERS AND SOME TIMEFRAMES THROWN IN IT. THERE'S TWO DAYS AND THREE DAYS AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO LIVE WITH, I DON'T WANT TO. I'M NOT SO CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE TIME FRAMES. THE TITLE INSURANCE. UM IT HAS A SPECIAL WARRANTY DEED. I NEEDED TO BE CLEAR ON THE RECORD THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE TITLED ISSUES WITH THIS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET CLEAR TITLE WHEN YOU DO THE TITLE SEARCH BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TURN OUT TO BE POLLUTED. SO WITH THE EXCEPTION OF POLLUTION, BUT I THINK THAT'S GONE WITHOUT SAYING I MEAN, WE'RE KIND OF RIGHT. AND SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I'M OKAY WITH IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF IT'S NOT. MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS ALWAYS BEEN THE PRODUCTION OF THESE DOCUMENTS BECAUSE. I KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO AND THAT SALT IS NOW THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS CONTRACT IF WE VIOLATE THE STATE'S STATUTE AND CAUSE THEM HEARTACHE, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT REMEDY AGAINST THE CITY, WHICH IS FINE WITH ME.

BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT ANYWAY, RIGHT? AND SO THE TIME FRAMES ARE NOT THE TIMEFRAMES CONCERN. MY TWO ISSUES WHERE THOSE LIKE THE PRODUCTION OF STUFF AND ORIGINAL, THERE WAS SOME AFFIDAVITS. WE NEED TO DESIGN AND WE JUST KNEW WE COULDN'T BECAUSE WE COULDN'T FIND A PERSON TO DO IT. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE. WAS THE MISNOMER THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN INSURANCE TO SOMEHOW PROTECT US ON THIS KIND OF GOT PASSED IT UNDER THE PRESUMPTION THAT COMMISSIONER MEYER DID LIKE. WELL IF WE DON'T DO THIS CONTRACT, WE'RE NOT GETTING INSURANCE TO PROTECT US ON IT, EITHER, SO AND TALKING TO THE APPLICANTS, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A QUARTER OF A MILLION BUCKS DOING RESEARCH AND TAKE SOME RISK ON HERE. THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO TRUST US AND TAKE SOME RISK ONTO AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S A POLICY DECISION. IT'S NOT MY DECISION TO MAKE I JUST WANTED IT ON THE RECORD, AND THOSE WERE MY TWO ISSUES. MR MARTIN, VICE MAYOR. I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING SOME LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT FOR YOU, MR MARTEL. UM. IT'S IN THE CONTRACT LINES 1 42 TO 1 44. THAT STATES IF THE PROPERTY MUST BE REZONED BY WILL OBTAIN. THE REZONING FROM

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THE APPROPRIATE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. SELLER WILL SIGN ALL DOCUMENTS BUYERS REQUIRED TO FILE IN CONJUNCTION WITH DEVELOPMENT. OR REZONING APPROVAL. WE DO THAT NOW? WE DID THAT. AND I KNOW THAT STANDARD LANGUAGE. BUT WHAT I WANT US TO NOT GET INTO A TRAP IN THE FUTURE IS THAT WE AS THE SELLER AND THE GOVERNMENT AGENCY. HAVE TO SIGN THE APPLICATION FOR REZONING. SO AND WE HAD THAT DEBATE, TOO. AND THAT ONE OF THE RENDITIONS WE DISCUSSED THAT THE CITY HERE THERE IT IS. DURING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY PERIOD, THE PARTY SHALL WORK TOGETHER IN GOOD FAITH TO CREATE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE PROPERTY. THAT IS THE BURDEN ON THE CITY COMMISSION BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR BURDEN IN ANY CASE. SO IF THEY CAME IN AND WANTED TO BUILD A SIX STORY BUILDING AND TO REZONE IT FOR SIX STORIES. THAT PARAGRAPH 1 44 LINE 1 44 DOESN'T MANDATE YOU TO CHANGE THE CAMP PLAN TO SIX STORY BUILDINGS IN THE CITY OF STEWART SAYS YOU HAVE TO USE. WORK TOGETHER WITH THEM IN GOOD FAITH TO DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT FOR THE PROPERTY. SO IT ALSO MIGHT MEAN THAT IF THEY COME IN AND SAY WE CANNOT GET THE DP TO AGREE TO MAKE THIS A DAYCARE WHERE CHILDREN PLAY IN THE WATER. YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THAT SIMPLY WOULDN'T BE GOOD FAITH, BUT THEY CAME IN, AND IT WAS A ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DEMONSTRATED ON THEIR APPLICATION, AND IT MET OUR COM PLAN AND CODES. YOU COULD GOOD FAITH NEGOTIATE LIKE YOU WOULD WITH ANYBODY ELSE, SO IT BUT THEY COULD COME IN AND SAY WE WANT. 54 STORY BUILDINGS WITH A DENSITY OF 29 UNITS PER ACRE. AND THEN THE ANYBODY COULD QUESTION WOULD BE IF YOU DENIED IT. WOULD YOU BE DENYING IT IN GOOD FAITH THERE WOULD YOU HAVE A REASONABLE BASIS TO DENY IT? IF THERE WAS A TRAFFIC CONCERN OF PEOPLE COULDN'T GET OUT. IF THE WHOLE EVERYBODY IN THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS GOING CRAZY. I MEAN, THERE'S OR IF IT WAS JUST BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO STICK THEM AND THEY COULD PROVE IT. YOU'D LOSE. BUT THAT WAS THE GOOD FAITH. THAT'S KIND OF THAT LINE. 3 31 IS WHERE WE GOT ON THAT BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED, TOO, BECAUSE I SAID WE CAN'T SO DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. IN A REAL ESTATE CONTRACT. SO WE CAN'T DO IT IN ADVANCE AND WE TOOK IT OUT AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE ADDED THAT LINE 3 31, WHICH IS IN THE RIDER THAT SUPERSEDES THIS CONTRACT, SO THAT'S KIND OF FLYING 3 31 OF THE CONTRACT WHERE IT SAYS THE WRITER ATTACHED ON PARAGRAPH 20. ON THE PAGE OF THE CONTRACT. DURING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY PERIOD, THE PARTY SHOULD WORK TOGETHER IN GOOD FAITH TO CREATE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE PROPERTY. SAME SAME THING WE DID. WHAT WE DID IS ALL. WHICH IS ALSO WHY I THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE SUBMITTING SOMETHING TO THE EPA IN ADVANCE BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK THEY COULD DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. BEFORE THEY KNEW, BUT I FIND THAT OUT NOW THAT THEY CAN. WELL BUT AS YOU ALL YOU HAD A CONCEPT PLAN OF A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT DIDN'T KNOW WE REALLY WE INITIALLY SENT IT OUT WHEN WE WHEN WE INITIALLY SENT IT OUT FOR RFP, NO DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT ALL. WE LET THEM JUST. COME UP WITH. LISTEN, LET'S DO THIS, UM, GOOD FAITH. RUNS BOTH WAYS. WE HAVE ALL THE FAITH IN THE WORLD THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TREATED FAIRLY, SO JUST STRIKE THE LANGUAGE. ONE LINE 1 44 WHATEVER IT IS 1 42 TO 1 44. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT. BOTH THE ATTORNEY MR IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? CAN MIKE ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? MEYER. I DIDN'T MAKE THE MOTION, BUT. I MEAN, YES, IT'S OKAY. STRIKE THOSE LINES AND JUST FOR THE RECORD. WE DID DISCUSS THIS AND IT WAS BOTH OF OUR INTENTION THAT THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THE CITY WASN'T SELLING A MANDATED DEVELOPMENT. IN FACT, THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T EVEN PRESENT WHAT THEIR DEVELOPMENT IS. AND. WE PUT AT THE END, YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE TO BE IN GOOD FAITH AND COOPERATE. JUST AS YOU WOULD IN EVERY APPLICATION. YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CODE. YOU CAN'T JUST IGNORE IT. AND WHICH IS WHY WE DON'T EVEN NEED THE LANGUAGE.

THEMSELVES THE ADDITION OF THE STRIKING IS TOO COMMISSIONER MCDONALD'S ORIGINAL CONDITION, CORRECT, OKAY? AND IT WOULD BE LINES 1 42 TO 1 44. STARTING WITH IF THE PROPERTY MUST BE REZONED. ONLINE 1 42. YES. AN ENDING WITH DEVELOPMENT. OR REZONING APPROVAL. OKAY, AGREED. AND I CAN GO THROUGH THAT TOMORROW WITH THEM. AND MAYBE WE HAVE A MOTION WITH NO SEX. YES SIR. I HEARD THAT. UH UM COMMISSIONER MCDONALD AND COMMISSIONER MEYER. UM. AND WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS. SO DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MOTION, HUH? MR MEYER HEAD. HE WITHDREW HIS SECOND. I WITHDREW MY SECOND UNTIL WE GOT THE SO WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND, THEN COMMISSIONED BRUNER. THANK YOU. MARY I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAID YOU WERE TELLING ME ABOUT HOW MUCH BRUNER COMMISSIONER BRUNNER SECONDED THE SECOND TIME. EMOTIONAL ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND MEMBERS OF THE

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PUBLIC PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 69. 2021 REGARDING THE LANDFILL PROPERTY AND THE DISCUSSION WE'VE JUST HAD FOR THE PAST 19 HOURS. THIS WAS A WHILE YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN THE OTHER SIDE. YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM A BOARD OR BOARD. UM YES, I WANTED TO ASK YOU, MADAM MAYOR YOU I MEAN, YOU'VE ASKED A FEW QUESTIONS, BUT WE'RE I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU THINKING ABOUT ALL THIS? GOD I'M JUST THINKING I. UM I HAD THE SAME CONCERNS ABOUT YOU KNOW IF WE NEED TO EDUCATE OURSELVES OR IF WE NEEDED TO GO BACK. AND GET THEM TO EARN OUT. SOMETHING'S IMPOSSIBLE. COME BACK TO US, BUT I THINK THAT. COMMISSIONER MCDONNELL HAS, UM. ILLUMINATED AND, UM SAID ALL THE THINGS THAT WE. THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT. I HAVE. I DO HAVE CONCERNS WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE BUT THE FAR BAR FORM AS WELL AS THE WRITER. THAT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WERE VERY VERY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL BOILERPLATE. AND IF WE WERE, UM AH! YOU KNOW, JUST INCLUDING SOME THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO LOOK INTO. I'M GLAD THAT MR MARTEL WAS VERY CANDID WITH US AND WENT THROUGH SOME OF THESE PARAGRAPHS THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE. BROUGHT UP OTHERWISE. AND I'M ALSO GLAD THAT MR GOLDSTEIN IS SO TRANSPARENT AND, UM, WILLING TO PROVIDE US WITH INFORMATION. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT WAS GOOD. I DID HAVE A QUESTION ON THE, UM HE HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT FARMING. AND I THOUGHT, HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH CONTAMINANTS AND YET ALSO MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT HAVING BUILDINGS RAISED ON PILOTS AND, UM. AH BUT I THINK THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN, AND THERE'S SO MUCH THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS TO EVEN GET THE, UM EVALUATION AND ASSESSMENT STARTED. UH, I THINK IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A STEP. IT IS $100 AND MR MORTAL. UH WITH YOUR ADVICE. I WOULD NOT WANT US TO DO ANY BREACH AND THEN HAVE TO END UP. DO HAVING SOMETHING, WHETHER I DON'T KNOW WE OWE THEM MONEY OR THEY WOULD SUE US FOR ANYTHING OR ANY TYPE OF DAMAGES, SO WE WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL ON HOW WE P AND I AM HOPING THAT WE HAVE, UM. WE'RE WORKING ON ALL THE PROPER STEPS NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT. BOTH OF US WILL WILL BALANCE OUT ON THIS IN SPEAKING WITH THE OTHER SIDE AND JUST FOR PURE CLARIFICATION. THERE IS NO BROKER ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CONTRACT. THE CITY IS NOT LIABLE TO ANY BROKER AND THERE IS NO BROKER INVOLVED IN THIS TRANSACTION. WHATEVER THEY DO IN A THIRD PARTY TRANSACTION IS THEIR BUSINESS. THAT'S CORRECT, OK? JUST AND I FOR THE PUBLIC WHO WAS HERE, AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR ACTION AGENDA HAS TAKEN A LITTLE WHILE. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING WITH US, BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER MIKE I MEAN, VICE MAYOR SAID IT ADEQUATELY. THIS IS OUR FIRST WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS WITH EACH OTHER EXCEPT HERE, AND OUR JOB IS TO BE TRANSPARENT AND ALSO. TO YOU KNOW TO JUST BE ABLE TO GET THE INFORMATION AND WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE HAD A WORKSHOP ON BROWNFIELDS WITH EITHER THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL OR WITH. AN ATTORNEY OR SOMEBODY WHO HAS DONE THIS BEFORE. BUT, UM. WE'RE HERE NOW. AND I THINK THAT WE'VE, UM. IT'S A BIG STEP TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. I OKAY? I JUST WANTED TO WE DON'T WE DON'T TALK VERY OFTEN. AND YOU, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO DISCUSS YOU OUT BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU'RE HARD TO READ. OKAY. YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS AS A. PROJECT OVERALL, NOBODY EVER KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS IS A PROJECT. NO. AND THE OTHER THING IS THIS MR MORTAL SINS? I KNOW THAT THIS IS MORE ON THE CONTRACT LEVEL. BUT SINCE WE, UM. THEY MIGHT COME IN AT SOME. WELL, IT'S THERE IN THE FUTURE. IT'S GOING TO. IT'S BEEN A SOLD AND THEN IT'S UP TO THEM TO DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO. BUT, UM. I WAS WONDERING IF I SHOULD ASK. IT'S NOT REALLY QUASI JUDICIAL IF I SHOULD ASK MY COMMISSIONERS, UM WITH REGARD TO ANY DISCLOSURE OF ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO THIS PROPERTY. UM THAT WE NEED TO DO ANY DISCLOSURES OR ANYTHING. I KNOW THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH THEM. COMMISSIONERS HAVE A DUTY TO DISCLOSE IF THEY HAVE A RIGHT OF INTEREST AND CANNOT VOTE YES, ON THAT IF THEY HAVE A. A

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NEWER TO THEIR OWN BENEFIT, OR TO A MEMBER OF THEIR FAMILY. UNDER THE ETHICS COMMISSION.

THEY ALSO HAVE A DUTY TO DISCLOSE THAT AND. CAN'T VOTE AS WELL, IF THEY DON'T DISCLOSE IT. WE'RE ASSUMING THEY DON'T HAVE IT. YEAH I HAVE NOTHING AND YOU KNOW THAT I HAD SPOKEN TO THEM WHEN THEY CAME IN WITH THEIR IDEAS. AND WITH MR MY CAR THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I UNDERSTAND NOT A QUASI JUDICIAL APPROVED. UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY. MADAM CLERK. ARE YOU READY? I AM. YES, MA'AM. OKAY, COMMISSIONER MEYER. YES COMMISSIONER BRUNER. YES COMMISSIONER MCDONALD? YES MAYOR CLARKE? YES, I SMEAR MATHESON. YEAH. OH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU SO MUCH SO MUCH. YES, SIR. I KNOW IT WAS THE FIRST ITEM. YEAH THE FIRST STARTED, WE DID GET THROUGH THE CONSENTED YOU UNITED WHEN IT GETS THERE TWO HOURS. MEMORANDUM OF

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MOU WITH UNITED WAY FOR BORN LEARNING TRAILS (RC):

RESOLUTION 87-2021; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE UNITED WAY OF MARTIN COUNTY FOR THE INSTALLATION, PROMOTION AND MAINTENANCE OF BORN LEARNING TRAILS, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

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UNDERSTANDING WITH THE UNITED WAY FOR THE BORN LEARNING TRAILS. THIS WOULD BE RESOLUTION 87-2021 RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION, THE CITY'S STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING. WITH THE UNITED WAY OF MARTIN COUNTY FOR THE INSTALLATION, PROMOTING IT, PROMOTION AND MAINTENANCE OF BORN LEARNING TRAILS, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES AND FULL DISCLOSURE. I DID NOT PUT ANY ENVIRONMENTAL INSURANCE IN THIS, NOR DID I DISCLOSE THAT HE KEEPS FORWARD.

I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL. THIS IS GREAT. I PROMISE THIS WILL NOT BE LONG AND IT WILL BE FUN BECAUSE I HAVE TO DO A SELFIE FIRST WHAT I DO, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LAUGHTER BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LONG TWO HOURS SO THERE IS. YOU'RE TALL ENOUGH. YOU DO THAT HOME.

ALRIGHT GET YOUR GET IN THERE. HERE WE GO. OKAY DAVID CLEARLY KNEW IT WAS COMING. NOT NOTHING. ADVANCE READY? DID YOU GET COMMISSIONER BRUNER IN THE CORNER. I JUST HAD TO GET TRADE TRAINING SHIP TOGETHER. SO GREAT 20 IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING AMAZING FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PILOT WITH THE CITY. THE BORN LEARNING TRAILS, SO JUST WHAT ARE BORN LEARNING TRAILS THERE? 10 INTERACTIVE SIGNS THAT GO OUT THROUGH A PARK. IT'S REALLY TO HELP CHILDREN LEARN. AND GET THEM OUTSIDE AND ENCOURAGE THEM ABOUT OUTDOORS. DID YOU KNOW THAT? UM FOR 19 MONTHS WE'VE BEEN REALLY YOU ALL KNOW THIS TRAPPED AND WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY, SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY. WHY DO WE NEED IT? CHILDREN ARE BORN LEARNING AND IT IS INCREDIBLE AND MERIT. YOU KNOW THIS? I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER MATHESON, YOU KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU HAVE LITTLE ONES, AND YOU KNOW THAT THEY ARE LIKE SPONGES. AND SO THE MORE THAT WE CAN READ, TALK TO THEM ENCOURAGE THEM. THE BETTER IT IS FOR OUR CHILDREN. WHY DO WE NEED THE BORN LEARNING TRAILS? IT IS A PROVEN FACT THAT FOR CHILDREN IN LOW INCOME, UM FAMILIES, THEY THERE'S A 30 MILLION WORD GAP BY THE TIME THEREFORE, BECAUSE PEOPLE WITH HIGHER INCOME LEVELS TEND TO TALK TO THEIR CHILDREN MORE. YOU CAN TELL IF YOU EVER MEET MY KIDS. THEY TALK A LOT BECAUSE I TALKED TO HIM ALL THE TIME. UM BUT THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT FUN, INTERACTIVE AND WHATNOT. IT'S SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE OUR KINDERGARTEN READINESS SCORES. I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE KNOWS THIS, BUT IT WAS GONE DOWN THIS YEAR. UH, PRIOR WE HAD. 51% OF OUR CHILDREN WERE KINDERGARTEN READY, WHICH IS NOT GOOD. IT NEEDS TO BE BETTER. IT'S DOWN TO 47% SO AGAIN. THIS IS HELPING THEM FROM THE BEGINNING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN WORK ON THOSE NUMBERS. ALSO IN ADDITION OUR THIRD GRADE READING LEVEL HAS ALSO GONE DOWN BY 2% POINTS OVER LAST YEAR, AND COVID HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THIS, SO THERE'S NO BLAME ANYWHERE, BUT WE REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR OOPS. LET ME GO BACK. IS WE'VE IDENTIFIED THREE PARKS THAT WE'D LIKE TO PUT THESE TRAILS IN. THEY ARE FLAGLER 10TH STREET AND QANTAS PARK. WE'RE WORKING WITH SPONSORS WERE WORKING WITH THE YEAR CITY STAFF. AND WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE AND UP AND RUNNING. I KNOW I'M GOING QUICKLY, BUT IT'S AN EASY SELL. IF YOU LOOK, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. THE SIGNS WOULD BE BOTH IN ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT HAVING THAT THROUGH OUR PARKS AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS AND CAREGIVERS. TO WALK AND TALK WITH THEIR CHILDREN. AND QUESTIONS THAT MATERIAL IS THAT PAINT? YES IT'S PAIN AND WE WOULD ACTUALLY WORK WITH THE SPONSOR OF THE TRAIL TO HELP PUT ALL OF THAT IN AND PAINT IT AND MAINTAIN IT AND HELP WITH IT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE CITY IS LIKE CUTTING THE GRASS AROUND THE SIGNS AND WHAT NOT, BUT IT IS A TRUE PARTNERSHIP. LUTHER APPROVAL SECOND, AND

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WHAT'S THE TIMELINE? AS SOON AS YOU SAY YES, WE HAVE TWO SPONSORS THAT ALREADY HAVE SAID THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS AND I KNOW I HAVE A THIRD. IT HAS BEEN A WORKING TOMORROW.

YOUR YOUR PAINTBRUSH? YEAH IT MIGHT BE A MOTION AND A SECOND COMMISSIONER. MCDONALD AND COMMISSIONER VICE MAYOR. UM. IS THERE? IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAS ANY COMMENTS ON RESOLUTION 87 2021? THANK YOU. WE HAVE THUMBS UP NOW. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN KIND OF LIKE THE LIKE, BUTTON ON FACEBOOK. THEY JUST PUT THEIR THUMBS UP. YEAH.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. THANK YOU GONNA HAVE TO HANDLE CITY CITY CLERK. COMMISSIONER MEYER. YES MAYOR MATHESON. MAYOR CLARKE. YES MCDONALD. YES, COMMISSIONER BRUNO? YES THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR HOWARD. THERE'S THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER

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ACCEPT THE US-1 CORRIDOR MASTER PLAN (RC):

RESOLUTION No. 91-2021; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPROVING AND ACCEPTING THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE “US-1 CORRIDOR” STUDY AREA; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

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NINE TO ACCEPT THE U. S UM ONE CARD, A MASTER PLAN. WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER 91. THAT'S 2021. UM.

WE HAVE THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL AND WE HAVE MR KEVIN FREEMAN. THANK YOU, MR. THIS IS A RESOLUTION TO ACCEPT AND APPROVE THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE U. S. ONE CORRIDOR STUDY AREA.

THIS WAS INITIALLY, UM, BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION SOMETIME AGO. IT'S A RESULT OF A COMMUNITY PLANNING TECHNICAL GRANT FROM THE D O. WE ENTERED INTO AN A AGREEMENT WITH THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL. AND THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB AS THEY NORMALLY DO. IN GATHERING GAUGE MINT INFORMATION AND PUTTING TOGETHER. AH MASTER PLAN FOR THE U. S ONE CORRIDOR. THAT'S THE OUTLINE AND LOCATION OF THE STUDY AREA. IT BLENDS AND MESHES INTO THE STUDY AREAS IN THE CITY. IT'S. QUITE INTENTIONAL THAT NOW YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE FUTURE AND YOU APPROVED EARLIER, UM. INITIATION OF THE CREEK. UM MR FREEMAN SORRY, ONE SECOND TO READ THE RESOLUTION TITLE INTO THE RECORD. SORRY SORRY. I DIDN'T GET THAT POSITION. 87 2021 MR MORTAL. RESOLUTION NUMBER NINE OH SORRY. 9 91 2021 RESOLUTION 91 2021 OF RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA APPROVING AND ACCEPTING THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE U. S ONE CORRIDOR STUDY AREA, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATA FOR OTHER PURPOSES. BACK TOGETHER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU NOT RESUME. THE OUTLINE OF THE LOCATION OF THE U. S ONE STUDY AREA, THE CORRIDOR FORMING THE SPINE AS IT OF THE U. S ONE AS IT PASSES THROUGH THE CITY. PRIMARILY INTO THE CENTER OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA. THE STUDY COMPONENTS, UH, INVOLVED ECONOMIC BASELINE ANALYSIS, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE AREA. UM, PUBLIC INPUT STAKEHOLDER INPUT.

THE COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN ARE INCLUDED AS A TOUR, UM WITHIN THE PLAN ITSELF. AND THEN THERE'S A SECTION ON IMPLEMENTATION TESTS AND PROJECTS. THIS PLAN WAS, UM.

PRESENTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION IN BELIEVE IT OR NOT IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR. WHEN WE COME TO LOOK AT THE OUTLINE OF THE PLAN THEM. WHICH WE SEE THE STUDY INVOLVING THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE LAND, USE TRANSPORTATION ECONOMICS, AND, UM. ALL THE CONTEXT THAT THOSE INVOLVED TOGETHER AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY THE TRAINING COURSE REGIONAL PLAYING COUNCIL IN THE MASTER PLAN. UM. A FOUR AND, IN ESSENCE, INVEST IN THE CORRIDOR WITH INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS THROUGH THE SIERRA THROUGH CR INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, INCLUDING PROPOSED INFIELD TREE PLANTING PROGRAM. YOU SAW A BIT OF. AND MOVEMENT ON THAT EARLIER TODAY.

AND THE EXISTING BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT GRANT. INVEST IN THE CORRIDOR WITH PLACE MAKING AND SAFETY INTERVENTIONS BY PROVIDING LIGHTING, TRANSIT SHELTERS, CROSSWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED INTERSECTIONS. UPDATE THE EXISTING REGULATIONS TO ENSURE DESIRED STREET SECTIONS THAT PROMOTE CONSISTENT AND PREDICTABLE SIDEWALK AND PLANTING ZONE AS REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS. AND ENCOURAGE A REALIGNMENT OF USERS ON THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY CARDED BY STUDYING CHANGES TO THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING ALONG THE STUDY AREA ADJACENT TO DOWNTOWN. AND THAT WILL MORPH INTO PLACE AS WE DO FURTHER STUDIES IN THE CREEK AND THE TRIANGLE AND EVEN IN EAST STEWART, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO COORDINATE AND, UM. GET A VERY GOOD BASKET OF USES WITHIN THE CITY. SO I DO HAVE JESSICA

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HERE TONIGHT. JUST IN CASE IS ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MASTER PLAN? BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'M ASKING NOT TO APPROVE THE ABANDONMENT. YEAH I GOT A JOB THERE, KEVIN. THANK YOU.

APPROVAL. YES. MOVE APPROVAL, BUT QUESTION BRUNO SECOND BY. COMMISSION MCDONALD AND COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS. AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS. UM SO, UH, CITY CLERK? NO. YEAH. CITY CLERK.

NICE MAYOR MATHESON. SLEEPING? NO. OH, COMMISSIONER BURNER. YES, COMMISSIONER MCDONALD COMMISSIONER MEYER. YES? MAYOR CLARK YES. MR MARSHALL. IS IT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE MR. VICE MAYOR VOTE WHEN HE COMES OR DOES HE HAVE TO PRESIDENT NOW? THE VOTE LET'S MOVE ON. HE

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CREATING A ST. LUCIE RIVER SINKING FUND (RC):

RESOLUTION 98-2021; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CREATION OF A ST. LUCIE RIVER SINKING FUND; TO BE FUNDED FROM 1150.531 PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FISCAL YEAR ENDING BALANCE; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

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MISSES THE BOAT. OKAY, THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER, 10. WELL, I DON'T KNOW. HE NEEDS TO BE HERE FOR THIS ONE. CREATING A SCENT LOST THE RIVER SINKING FUND. AND ITS RESOLUTION NUMBER. THIS IS A RESOLUTION 98 THERE'S 2 TO 1 AND RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CREATION OF A SAINT LUCIE RIVER SINKING FUND. TO BE FUNDED FROM.

1150.531 PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FISCAL YEAR ENDING BALANCE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT A MINUTE FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO RETURN BECAUSE HE WAS HANDLING THIS BETTER PROVEN BEFORE HE GETS BAD. YEAH. TITLE. I DID. ITEM NUMBER.

10 CITY MANAGER. YES, MADAM MAYOR THIS IS A RESOLUTION AS A RESULT OF, UH, REQUESTS THAT COMMISSIONER MATHESON BROUGHT UP DURING COMMISSION COMMENTS THAT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING. AND THIS, UH, CREATION OF THIS RESOLUTION WOULD AUTHORIZE A SINKING FUND TO BE CREATED USING THE FUNDS FROM 11 50.531 A YEAR IN BALANCE. TO BE PLACED INTO, SAID SINKING FUN. MADAM MERRILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 98 2021 TO CREATE A SAINT LUCIE RIVER SINKING FUND SECOND. MOTION BY VICE MAYOR MADISON SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MEYER. DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE RESOLUTION IS PUBLISHED. ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON RESOLUTION NUMBER? 98 2021. I SEE MR MCBRIDE COMING TO THE PODIUM. SO I'M GOING TO BE HERE TO ONE O'CLOCK. OKAY MIGHT AS WELL SAY SOMETHING. YEAH KEEP ME AWAKE. HOW LONG MCBRIDE FROM FLAMINGO. AVENUE. I AM OFFERING. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT I WOULD LOOK CONCERNED BECAUSE. WHICH MEETING WAS, THE ATTORNEY SAID. IT MAY KEEP MOMENT $5000.

HE HAS A BALANCE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT FIGURE IS RIGHT. BUT I SAVE ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY, HELEN. 1000 OF YOU KNOW, BUT HE DID STATE THAT THERE WAS A CASE PENDING. AND FROM LIKE, SAY THIS YEAR. AND YOU HAVEN'T THE LAWYERS. STILL, IT'S BEING CARRIED OVER THE NEXT YEAR. THE CITY MANAGER DID MAKE SOME AMENDMENTS TO THE PROPOSAL AND PUT A CAP ON IT. SOME OTHER MATTERS THAT RIGHT, THAT'S ALL. I'M I DON'T WANT IT WAS THEN NEXT YEAR, HE COMES UP AND SAYS, OH, LET ME YEAH, I'M I'M STILL GOING TO BLAME HIM IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG HERE ON THAT, OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH HIMSELF. DON'T WORRY, HELEN. YOU'LL STILL BE HERE TILL ONE AM.

YEAH. CAUSE I'M BACK. YOU PROBABLY HOPE. WISH I WERE STILL IN FRANCE, HUH? YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. CITY CLERK. COMMISSIONER MCDONALD. YES, THANKS. MAYOR MATHESON. YES MAYOR CLARKE? YES COMMISSIONER BRUNER? YES, COMMISSIONER MEYER? YES. THANK

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EXECUTE A LETTER OF INTENT WITH HOUSING SOLUTIONS COUNCIL (RC):

RESOLUTION No. 99-2021; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AND EXECUTE A LETTER OF INTENT WITH THE HOUSING SOLUTIONS COUNCIL FOR A DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD OF ONE YEAR, NEGOTIATE A LAND LEASE AND RETURN TO COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

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YOU, UM WAS I DON'T NUMBER 11 RESOLUTION NUMBER 99 2021 GUARDED, EXECUTING A LETTER OF INTENT WITH 1000 SOLUTIONS COUNCIL. MISS AND I FORGOT TO ALSO SAY THAT WE HAD OUR FORMER COMMISSIONER, MR BLUNT HERE WITH US TONIGHT. THEY'RE SO CROWDED IT EARLIER. I DIDN'T NOTICE. AH, MR. BUT MR BLOOM. THANK YOU. THIS IS RESOLUTE. THIS IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 99 2021 OF RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION, THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AND EXECUTE A LETTER OF INTENT WITH THE HOUSING SOLUTIONS COUNCIL.

FOR A DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD OF ONE YEAR, NEGOTIATED LAND LEASE AND RETURNED TO THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. UM VLADIMIR, I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL. SECOND.

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MOVE BACK! COMMISSIONER MY SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRUNER. MANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 99 2021. I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR WITH THE COMMISSION THAT THE LETTER OF INTENT. STATES 40 TO 50 UNITS OF 123 BEDROOM UNITS AND. UM, I WANTED I HAD RAISED THAT AS A CONCERN. AS I ADDED, SECTION THREE TO THE RESOLUTION AFTER YOU BROUGHT THAT TO MY ATTENTION THAT SAYS THE CITY COMMISSIONERS NOT ENTITLING.

THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN THE PERMITTED USE, QUOTE UNQUOTE. SECTION OF THE LETTER OF INTENT. FURTHER COMMISSION ACTION IS REQUIRED FOR USE AND DENSITY APPROVAL, RIGHT. THE RESOLUTION IS GREAT, BUT THE CONTRACT IS GOING TO BE SIGNED BY THE CITY. IF THIS CONTRACT IS SIGNED. THE CONTRACT OR THE LETTER OF INTENT WILL BE LIMITED TO THE LETTER. AND I KNOW THE INTENT OF THE RESOLUTIONS THAT I JUST WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY TOMORROW ON A HAND, RIGHT? THE RESOLUTION ALSO APPLIES TO THIS CONTRACT. OKAY WELL, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE RESOLUTION WOULD SATISFY THAT. SO IF IT DOESN'T, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANTS KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO SAY THAT THIS LETTER OF INTENT IS ALSO INCLUDES THE RESOLUTION AND THEN WE'RE GOOD, AND I'M FINE WITH IT. YOU'RE GOOD, MR MORTAL, AND I'M GOOD. THANK YOU AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS.

AND SOME ARTILLERY. GOODEN IN GOOD STANDING TO TAKE A VOTE WITH THAT GOES TO THE EXACT SAME ISSUE WE HAD ON THE LANDFILL THAT YOU CAN'T CELL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. OKAY? COMMISSIONERS. ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH. WHAT WE'RE GETTING OURSELVES INTO. WELL, I'LL JUST SAY THAT YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY FOR YEARS. UM WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO HOUSING SOLUTIONS FOR QUITE A WHILE. THEY'VE BEEN. UM AND THEN HERE AT MOST MEETINGS, THEY'VE BEEN KEEPING US ABREAST. I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING REALLY HARD, AND THEY NEED THIS FROM US IN ORDER TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT STEP. SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT BINDING US TO ANYTHING. THIS IS JUST FURTHER GIVING THEM THAT INTENT THAT WE CONTINUED THAT WE WANT TO PURSUE THIS THIS PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM, SO I'M ALL FOR IT. GIVE HIM A YEAR TO GET THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW AND. LET'S HOPE THAT IT WORKS. AND IF IT DOESN'T, WE'RE REVERTS TO US. WE'RE OKAY. MR MR MEYER. YOU HAD ASKED ME EARLIER AND EARLIER ITEM ABOUT MY OPINION.

I MUST SAY THAT IT'S NOT EXACTLY LIKE THIS, BUT I REMEMBER WHEN STEWART LODGE ON PALM BEACH ROAD WAS COMING IN. AND THEY'VE GONE TO THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARD AT MARTIN COUNTY. THEY TRY TO THE THINGS AND ALL THEY NEEDED WAS A SIMILAR THING WAS LIKE A LETTER OF INTENT TO GET THEIR FINANCING. NOBODY WOULD DO IT. I HAD TO WORK HARD WITH OUR CITY COMMISSION TO TRY TO GET THAT UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR. WE STOOD BEHIND IT GOT BUILT ITS SUCCESSFUL SO, UM. I THINK THAT WE CAN WORK. WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ON THIS. AND, UM AND TRY TO GET YOU OVER THAT HUMP. AND THERE'LL BE MORE FORMAL AGREEMENT THAT COMES BACK TO THE COMMISSION AFTER THEY'VE DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE ANYWAY. THEY SAID THAT THIS DOESN'T WORK. THEY'LL TAKE THE LANDFILL. THAT I GOT FIVE ACRES OF FOREST THAT YOU HAVE A COMPACTING BOWL. IT'S THE SAME FOREST YOU FIND IN THE PUBLIC OR THE PUBLIC'S OF THE TARGET PARKING LOT. I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST OF LUCK. WE ARE IN DESPERATE NEED. YOU. GERARD.

ANY, UM, PUBLIC THAT ASKED FOR THE PUBLIC ALREADY? YES. I MEAN COMMISSIONER, SHE'S GONNA BE A COMMISSIONER ONE DAY. CLERK, MADAM CLERK. MAYOR CLARKE YES, MA'AM RACE. MAYOR MATHESON. YES COMMISSIONER MEYER? YES, COMMISSIONER. MCDONALD YES, MR BRUNER? YES THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR BLUNT IN MS MS GREENWOOD. THANK YOU. THERE'S NO HOW THINGS ARE GOING WELL, WE'LL TELL YOU HOW THINGS ARE GOING. SICK MARK THE DOOR ONE. THANKS. YEAH. I AM. I'M A

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ABANDONMENT OF A PORTION RIGHT-OF-WAY BETWEEN 16th COURT AND 18th STREET (RC):

ORDINANCE No. 2474-2021; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE ABANDONMENT OF A CERTAIN RIGHT-OF-WAY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, BEING THAT PORTION OF LAND, WHICH LIES BETWEEN S.E. 16TH COURT AND S.E. 18TH STREET, WHICH IS MORE FULLY DEPICTED IN EXHIBIT “A” ATTACHED HERETO, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

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GOOD REASON I'M ONLY GOING TO READ THE ORDINANCE. THE ORDINANCE 24 64-2021. IT'S THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION RELATING TO THE SPORT. FISH MARINA. U P U D THE ONLY REASON IT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT WE SKIP SKIP NUMBER 12. I DIDN'T SKIP IT JUST WAS MOVING ON. I ACTUALLY TOUCHED IT EARLIER. IT WAS PURPLE. THAT'S AN ATTORNEY. ANSWER YEAH, I'M SORRY. IT'S ORDINANCE 24 74 DAYS 2021 IN ORDER TO THE CITY COMMISSION, THE CITY'S TOUR FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE ABATEMENT OF A CERTAIN RIGHT AWAY WITHIN THE CITY. LIMITS BEING THAT PORTION OF LAND, WHICH LIES BETWEEN SELF EAST 16TH COURT IN SOUTH EAST 18TH STREET, WHICH IS MORE FULLY DEPICTED IN EXHIBIT A ATTACHED HERE TO PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES, AND I ALSO ATTACHED TO THE. AGENDA THAT IT BE CONDITIONED UPON THE AND IT'S IN THE RESOLUTION. THE ABANDONMENT BE CONDITIONED UPON THE RECORDING OF PUBLIC UTILITIES. EASEMENT ABANDONMENT. CAN YOU COVER ME? I'M SORRY.

ABANDONMENT? YES. WHAT IS IT? WHAT'S THE LANGUAGE IF I SAID A BAIT, AND IT SAYS ABANDONMENT

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IN THE ORDER FOR ME? I'D LIKE YOU JUST SAID WELL. THAT YOU FIXED YOU'D LIKE TO FUTURE I'VE LIVED. THERE SHE IS. THAT WOULD BE A FORM EIGHT D VOTING CONFLICT JUST BECAUSE IT ENSURES TO A FINANCIAL BENEFIT. OKAY, SO CLERK WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT UM, SECOND, ANYTHING MOTION BY COMMISSION. MCDONALD'S SICKENED BY VICE MAYOR WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? VICE MAYOR HAS ANYTHING CHANGED SINCE THE LAST READING? BESIDES THE ADDITION YOU STAY WITH STAFF CONSULTED THE NEIGHBORS AS REQUESTED. WE HAD ONE RESPONSE FROM ONE PROPERTY ON THE 16TH COURT, WHO WAS SATISFIED WITH THE PROPOSAL. OKAY A COUPLE OF MY NEIGHBORS TOLD ME THEY GOT A LETTER. I PROBABLY GOT ONE TOO, BUT MY HUSBAND HID IT FROM ME. UM SO, UH, EMOTIONAL SECOND IS THEIR PUBLIC COMMENT. CLEAR CUT BY SUFFICIENT TO DECLARE THAT I AM NOT GOING TO BE VOTING ON THIS AND I WILL SIGN THE FORM YOU HAVE. I'LL PROVIDE YOU A FORM.

THANK YOU, CLERK. COMMISSIONER BRUNER. YES MR MEYER? YES COMMISSIONER MCDONALD? YES VICE MAYOR MATHESON, YES, AND MAYOR CLARKE JUST FOR THE RECORD. I UM, HAVE A CONFLICT AND I WILL NOT BE VOTING. AND I'LL PROVIDE THE SIGN THE PROPER FORMS THAT ARE REQUIRED. THANK YOU, MR

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REQUEST TO CONTINUE THE ITEM WITH NO SET DATE: SPORTFISH MARINA UPUD: REZONING TO UPUD (QUASI-JUDICIAL):

ORDINANCE No. 2464-2021; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY’S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP, THEREBY APPLYING A LAND DEVELOPMENT ZONING DESIGNATION OF UPUD “URBAN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT” TO A PARCEL OF LAND TOTALING 0.63 ACRES, LOCATED AT 304 NE FLAGLER AVENUE, BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT “A” ATTACHED; ESTABLISHING THE “SPORTFISH MARINA” URBAN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (UPUD) CONSISTING OF A 51 ROOM HOTEL, 64 SEAT RESTAURANT AND 49 SLIP MARINA, AND ALLOWING USES PERMITTED IN THE URBAN DISTRICT; PROVIDING FOR APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN; PROVIDING FOR DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS; DECLARING THE PROJECT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY’S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN; PROVIDING DIRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, PROVIDING FOR ACCEPTANCE BY THE APPLICANT AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

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MORTAL. COULD YOU PLEASE TELL US ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 13 INDIVIDUAL AS WELL AS I DON'T REMEMBER THIS 14 ITEM NUMBER 13 IS ORDINANCE 24 64 2021 REGARDING SPORTS FISH MARINA U P U D. THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR INCLUDED THIS ON THE AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE THERE WAS NEIGHBORS AND OTHERS THAT WANTED TO ATTEND AND HE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST TAKE IT OFF AND HAVE THEM SHOW UP AND BE DISAPPOINTED WHEN WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S NOT BEING CONTINUED TO A TIME CERTAIN. YOU CAN IGNORED OR MOVE TO CONTINUE WHEN WE CAN MOVE ON, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO SIT IT WOULD SET DAY TO CONTINUE. SECOND AND YOU CAN DO ALL IN FAVOR. UH OKAY. ALRIGHT I THANK YOU. MR MORTALITY. DIDN'T SAY I DIDN'T CALL THE VOTE. I SAID YOU CAN DO ALL IN FAVOUR. I WAS TALKING TO YOU, MADAM MAYOR. OKAY. I APPRECIATE IT. CLARK ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE ACTION AND NUMBER 13? THANK YOU. OKAY NUMBER 14 MR.

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REQUEST FOR THE ITEM TO BE CONTINUED TO THE NOVEMBER 8, 2021 CITY COMMISSION MEETING: SILVERTHORN RPUD:

ORDINANCE No. 2472-2021; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE CITY’S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THEREBY CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM “COMMERCIAL” TO “MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL” FOR A 9.43 ACRE PARCEL ANNEXED BY ORDINANCE NO. 1527-97, OWNED BY TED GLASRUD ASSOCIATES FL LLC, LOCATED ON THE SOUTH EAST CORNER OF SE INDIAN STREET AND SE COMMERCE AVENUE, SAID LAND BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT “A” ATTACHED; AND FURTHER PROVIDING THAT SAID LANDS SHALL CONCURRENTLY BE REZONED FROM COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT “CPUD” TO RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT “RPUD” ON THE CITY’S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP; ESTABLISHING THE SILVERTHORN RPUD CONSISTING OF EIGHTY SIX (86) ATTACHED HOMES; APPROVING A MASTER SITE PLAN; PROVIDING FOR DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS AND A TIMETABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT, DECLARING THE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY’S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN; PROVIDING DIRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

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MORTAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 72-2021 IN ORDER TO THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THEREBY CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM COMMERCIAL TO MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL FOR 9.43 ACRE PARCEL ANNEXED BY ORDINANCE NUMBER 15 TO 797. OWNED BY TECH CLASSROOM ASSOCIATES FL LLC, LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTHEAST INDIAN STREET AND SOUTH EAST COMMERCE AVENUE SUDDENLY AND BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A ATTACHED.

AND FURTHER PROVIDING THAT SUDDENLY ENDS SHALL CONCURRENTLY BE REZONED FROM COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT CPU D TWO RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT R P. U D ON THE CITY'S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP. ESTABLISHING THE SILVERTHORNE R P U D, CONSISTING OF 86 ATTACHED HOMES, APPROVING A MASTER SITE PLAN PROVIDING FOR DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS AND A TIMETABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. DECLARING THE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY HIT THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PROVIDING DIRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF OIL ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES, AND THE STAFF IS SEEKING THAT THIS BE CONTINUED. TO THE NOVEMBER. EIGHT 2021 CITY COMMISSION FOR A TIME CERTAIN MOVED TO CONTINUE IN NOVEMBER EIGHT. MOTION MOTION MY COMMISSION, MCDONALD'S SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MEYER. IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAS A COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 14 RESOLUTION NUMBER? 24 72 2021 TO CONTINUE. UM SILVERTHORNE P U D TWO NOVEMBER 8 2021. CAN WE DO IT ALL IN FAVOR? IT'S AN I MEAN, IT IS A CONTINUANCE. SO YES. OKAY ALL IN FAVOR. I HIGH.

CLERK IS THAT SATISFACTORY? MORE MR MARTEL? IS THAT LEGAL? I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO NOVEMBER. 8 2021 SO TIME, SAID CERTAIN. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T NUMBER 15 EDITION OF NEW

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ADDITION OF A NEW PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN (RC):

ORDINANCE No. 2473-2021; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF STUART AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN; ADDING ELEMENT 12 - A NEW PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT; AMENDING ELEMENT 1 - FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

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PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT. AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 73-2021 IN ORDER TO THE CITY OF STEWART, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ADDING ELEMENT, 12 A NEW PROPERTY. RIGHT ELEMENT, AMENDING ELEMENT. ONE FUTURE LAND USE SETTLEMENT, PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE TO YOU TONIGHT DEBUT, NOTHING HAS SHIFT. NOTHING HAS CHANGED, MR MR FREEMAN OR MUS FIRST THIS IS

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