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I MEAN, YOU LOOK CLARK, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF STEWART, CALLING TOGETHER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE STUART CITY COMMISSION. TODAY'S NOVEMBER 22ND 2021. AT 5:30 P.M. AT OUR CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS, LOCATED AT 1 21, SOUTH WEST FLAGLER AVENUE IN STUART, FLORIDA. AS WE THINK ABOUT THE START OF OUR MEDIUM. WE THINK OF THE SEASON OF THANKSGIVING. AND WE THINK OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE PASSED THROUGH THIS YEAR THAT WE NEED TO GIVE. THANKS FOR AND I THINK ESPECIALLY. THAT AS WE STAND TO SAY, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE THAT WE WOULD THINK OF OUR TROOPS, THOSE WHO ARE ON THE FRONT LINE, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE WORKING IN THE HEALTH CARE FIELD COVID RELATED SPECIFICALLY. AND JUST EVERYONE WHO HAS GIVEN THEIR TIME AND EFFORTS FOR THIS COUNTRY FOR OUR COMMUNITY FOR OUR FAMILIES TO KEEP SOME JOY IN OUR LIVES DURING THIS PAST YEAR. SO LET US STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND GIVE THANKS. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE LED. BY OUR VICE MAYOR, MR MERRITT MATHESON. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION. UNDERGO.
INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? SHURA MAYOR CLARKE? YES, MATHESON HERE. BRUNER COMMISSIONER MCDONALD'S
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CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION IN RECOGNITION OF THE "NEVER FORGET GARDEN" IN MEMORIAL PARK.
]HERE. COMMISSIONER MEYER HERE. UM. TODAY WE HAVE A PRESENTATION. WHICH IS A CERTIFICATIONS. WE HAVE TWO CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION AND RECOGNITION OF THE NEVER FORGET GARDEN IN MEMORIAL PARK. AND I'M NOT SURE IF MR LEGGETT AS OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR WANTS TO TELL US HOW THINGS HAPPEN IN MEMORIAL PARK, AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE, MISS. UM THE BOY FROM THE AMERICAN DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. AND I KNOW THAT MR MR LEGGETT THE SAME. WHY IS SHE CALLING ON ME? WHAT MEMORIAL PARK IS SUCH A GREAT PART OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION. AND WHEN I DO GIVE THESE CERTIFICATES I'D LIKE FOR MR LEGGETT. TO BE THERE WITH ME, BECAUSE, UM. THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG THING TO TAKE CARE OF THESE THINGS AND TO BE A PART OF THEM. SO, UM. IS THIS YOUNG MAN HERE, MISS MR BOY, MR DUNSHEE. WELL, HE'S NOT HERE AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE GIVEN ME A GREAT UM, HISTORY OF WHAT HE'S DONE. SO BEFORE WE EVEN GIVE UP THE CERTIFICATES, CAN YOU COME TO US? MR AND SHE FROM THE HELP CARIOCA CHAPTER OF THE NATIONAL SOCIETY OF THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION AND TELL US HOW YOU CAN SEE THIS IDEA AND IMPLEMENTED IT WITH YOUR GROUP AND YOUR TEAM. AND JUST HOW WONDERFUL IT IS FOR MILTON TO BE TAKEN PERPETUAL CARE OF IT. WELL, WE HOPE TO HELP OUT TOO. WE DECIDED TO PLANT A GARDEN IN VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK IN HONOR OF THE 1/100 ANNIVERSARY OF THE TOMB OF THE UNKNOWN SOLDIER. IN LAST THURSDAY. WE DEDICATED THIS GARDEN. THE WHITE ROSE WAS A SYMBOL OF THE TOMB OF THE UNKNOWN. SO THERE ARE WHITE ROSES IN THE GARDEN. PLUS THERE. PLANTS THAT ARE NATIVE PLANTS THAT ARE QUITE THAT ARE. NOT HAVE TO HAVE QUITE AS MUCH CARE, BUT WE WILL CARE FOR THE ROSES.
IAN DONE. SHE WAS ALIVE SCALP AND HE CAME TOGETHER. WE MET WITH MILTON, FIRST OF ALL AND CHOSE THE SIDE. AND THEN HE, UH, YOUNG MAN WAS. WORKING ON HIS EAGLE SCOUT DESIGNATIONS, SO HE BROUGHT TOGETHER HIS TRUTH. SCOUTS AND THEY CAME AND THEY CLEARED IT OFF. AND THEN THEY PLANTED HE OBTAINED SOME FREE PLANT MATERIALS AND MULCH AND EVERYTHING FOR IT AND PLANTED IT. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT HE FINALIZED HIS EAGLE SCOUT DESIGNATION UNDER. VERY NICE YOUNG MAN, AND WE RECOGNIZED HIM LAST WEEK. AT OUR MEETING. BUT THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION IS A PATRIOTIC ORGANIZATION. AND WE BELIEVE IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ALSO PATRIOTISM. AND OUR CHAPTER HERE IN STUART IS 72 YEARS OLD. IT'S ONE OF THE. AT THIRD LARGEST
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CHAPTER IN THE NATION. AND WE'RE QUITE PROUD OF THAT. WE HAVE 295 MEMBERS. YES. YOU'VE GOT COMPANY, MR BOY. THIS IS THE YOUNG MAN WHO HELPED US PLANT THE GARDEN AND HE DID A VERY GOOD JOB WITH HIS TROOP. WE ALSO BY SELLING, WROTE WHITE ROSE BUSHES TO MEMBERS AND FRIENDS AND ALL WEEK. WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN A BLACK CAME OUT $28. WE PUT A PLAQUE IN THE GUARD.HONORING THE TEAM. THANK YOU. MAN WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL. YEAH AND YOU HAVE EXACTLY 60 MINUTES TO SPEAK TO US. ZONE. DOING THA. I DID THIS ENTIRE GARDEN AS A PROJECT FOR MY EAGLES HELP PROJECT TO OBTAIN THE RANK OF EAGLE. WHICH IS. SOMEWHAT OF A GREAT HIGHER HONOR BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK AND DEDICATION TO WORK THROUGH THE RANKS TO IN ORDER TO OBTAIN IT.
IT TOOK SEVERAL MONTHS TO FINALLY CULMINATE AND PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER FOR THE GARDEN. CHOOSING WHAT PLANTS WOULD BE BETTER FOR WHICH PART OF THE GARDEN AND ALSO WORKING WITH THE STUART DISTRICT OF PARTS MOUNTAIN. GET HIS LAST NAME. SO DO I. NO LEGACY. THEY COME OUT UP FOR A PICTURE. BUT FINALLY, ONCE WE DID FIND WHERE THE IRRIGATION LINES WAS, I WAS FINALLY ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER LANDSCAPE PLAN FINALLY CONSTRUCTED GARDEN AFTER GOING THROUGH MANY STEPS OF THE FOOD APPROVAL WITH MY TROOP AND WITH THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. SO COULD YOU TELL US TO THEM OF YOUR TROOP? YOUR FULL NAME AND WHERE DO YOU GO TO SCHOOL? MY NAME IS IAIN AND YOU'RE DONE. SHE MENTIONED NAME IS 8 TO 3 OR TRIP UNIT NUMBER.
AND I TEND SELF WORK HIGH SCHOOL AS A SENIOR DOGS. YOU SELL ME THAT THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH OR YOU MEAN IN PALM CITY, THEN? YES WE DO. WE STILL YOU, ME AT THE FIRST METHODIST CHURCH ON CAMERA. I REMEMBER THAT FROM MY DAYS AS A EVERYTHING, DEN MOTHE, THIS THAT WE HAD 8, 33 AND STEWART AT THE TIME, SO YEAH. BUT WE USED TO JOIN TOGETHER TO GO ON STUFF WHEN WE WENT CLON DYKE AND DIFFERENT THINGS. WONDERFUL. SO THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO ASK US ANYTHING AND TO FIRST OF ALL, WE THANK YOU. WE THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE. CONGRATULATIONS ON EGO. THANK YOU. AND CONGRESS. ORDER OF THE ARROW EAGLE. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE ALL WONDERFUL THINGS. MY LEGAL BORDER REVIEW IS STILL WELL. IT WAS APPROVED, SO WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THE CALL BACK.
OKAY? WONDERFUL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? NOT NECESSARILY. MR MCDONALD WANTS TO FEEL THE QUESTION FROM YOU. SO YOU HAVE TO ASK HIM SOMETHING. UM. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY WOULD BE A BETTER.
WELL NOT BETTER PROJECT BUT MORE USEFUL OR MORE. DIRECTLY. AFFECTED THE COMMUNITY AS A PROJECT BECAUSE I DO HAVE OTHER YOUNGER SCOUTS WHO ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT PROJECT.
PROJECTS AND THEY NEED IDEAS OR THEY NEED INSPIRATION. GREAT QUESTIONS. GOOD JOB. MR MCDONALD IS STILL VOLUNTEERED TO ANSWER I LOVE PARK BENCHES AND AROUND TOWN BENCHES, PARK BENCHES, BENCHES AND ESPECIALLY LIKE THE POCKET PARKS. UM AND ALONG WITH THE WITH THE LITTLE LENDING LIBRARIES. WELL WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE DECORATE, THEN THEY CAN KNOW A VERY SPECIFIC TYPE OF BENCH THAT WE PUT IN RAISE THE MONEY. PUT FURTHER BEND PUT THE BENCH IN BECAUSE WE HAVE A STANDARD PARK BENCH THAT WE USE, OKAY, BUT BUT ALSO THEN THE LENDING LIBRARIES. THOSE ARE.
THOSE ARE GREAT PROJECTS. ONE OF OUR OTHER EAGLE SCOUTS DID DO A PERSON I MEANT THAT HIS CHURCH DID THE AMBUSH EXCHANGE BOX RIGHT OUT THERE NEXT TO THE SCHOOL THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE CHURCH. I SEE IT EVERY MORNING. I LOVE IT. MR MARTEL OFFERED HIS HOUSE FOR A LANDSCAPE PROJECT IF YOU'RE MIND TO OKAY WITH TALKING INVOLVED. GREAT JOB. YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING PERSON. THIS IS A YOUNG MAN WHO HOPEFULLY MORE CONGRESS PERSON IS IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS WILL BE TRYING TO YOU'LL BE APPLYING FOR SOME KIND OF SCHOLARSHIP OR MOVING ON. SOMEWHERE TO DO ANY OF YOU AS A COMMISSIONERS HAVE, UM, ANY GREAT WORDS OF WISDOM FOR MR DUNSHEE. MR MEYER HAS A FELLOW
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BULLDOG. I'LL LET YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO GO FIRE SITTING UP HERE ONE OF THESE DAYS.WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL. WONDERFUL AND MOM. IF YOU WOULD. WE'RE GOING TO COME DOWN AND WE'RE GOING TO GET MR LEGGETT UP HERE. I KNOW YOU'RE TAPING, BUT WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A PICTURE WITH YOU ALSO, MR CARL SCHOOL. TAKE YOUR PICTURE. AND. YOU GUYS LIKE, COULD YOU PLEASE ME? WELL, YOU'RE NOT GETTING OUT OF THIS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I HATED MISSING IT. LAST SECOND CAMERA.
WELL, IF YOU'D LIKE TO BE ABLE. HIS MIND WAS HERE. YES, THANK YOU. 17. TRAFFIC IS CRAZY. DON'T WORRY. WE'RE ALWAYS PERFECT TIMING COUNTY BLOCKED, RIGHT. MY KIDDING BULLDOGS. OKAY, I GOT THREE DIFFERENT CAMERAS UP HERE. READY? ON THREE. 23 RIGHT? ANSWER IT. IN A MEETING. GREAT. AUSTERITY. AND MILTON AND MILTON. THANKS. MILES. DONE ONE AND DONE. THANK YOU. WHOSE CAMERA WAS THIS? WAIT A MINUTE. YOUR LIFE I COULDN'T SEND IT TO HER. I CAN SEND YOU. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY, THANK MAYOR FOR BEING AT THE DEDICATION. MY SWEET. YES IT WAS REALLY APPRECIATE IT. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO.
THANK THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS A PRESENTATION OF THE
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FORM-BASED CODE BY THE TCRPC
]FORM BASED CALLED, UM. DETAILS OF THE CONTRACT THAT WE'VE SIGNED WITH THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL FOR THE CREEK DISTRICT AND FOR THE EAST STEWART AREA. AND, UM WELL.
GET THAT GOING WITH MR SEYMOUR, MISS JESSICA SEYMOUR. THAT'S RIGHT. UM I HAVE 52 SLIDES, SO I ALREADY GAVE MAYOR CLARKE THE PERMISSION TO CUT ME OFF IF I GO TOO LONG. AGAIN JESSICA SEYMOUR FOR TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL. I KNOW ALL OF YOU KNOW WHO I AM. UM BUT FOR THE RECORD BECAUSE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL IS A PUBLIC AGENCY WERE ONE OF 10. REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCILS STATEWIDE, AND OUR REGION RUNS FROM INDIAN RIVER COUNTY TO PALM BEACH COUNTY. WE'RE LOCATED HERE IN STUART, SO IT'S VERY EXCITING TO WORK IN STUART. UM WE WERE ASKED BY THE SIERRA AND BY THE CITY TO LOOK AT THE CODE AS MAYOR CLARKE ALREADY MENTIONED FOR EAST STEWART AND FOR, UH. THAT CREEK DISTRICT AND WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT THE CODE IS THE FIRST QUESTION, RIGHT? UM WE WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION. WHAT'S WORKING? WHAT'S NOT WORKING? THE LAST MAJOR CODE REVISIONS WERE IN 2000 AND 4 2000 AND SIX SO SINCE THEN, HAVE THE PRIORITIES AND EXPECTATIONS CHANGED WHAT CODE TECHNIQUES HAVE IMPROVED, LIKE FORM BASED CODE ON AND WHAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM OTHER PLACES THE ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS TO BE BAKED IN. SO THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE BRINGING FORWARD AND ARE IN THE FRONT OF OUR MINDS WHENEVER WE'RE UPDATING A CODE. UM. ANOTHER WORD OF WARNING. A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN YOU HEAR ME, SAY URBAN OR US URBAN PLANNERS TALK ABOUT URBAN. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS. OKAY? URBAN. IS THIS AS WELL. SO URBAN DESIGN IS A MULTI DISCIPLINARY PROCESS. UM IT'S ABOUT THE DESIGN OF BUILDINGS AND THE STREETS AND THOSE LANDSCAPES AND HOW THOSE GET PIECE TOGETHER. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT WHEN I SAY URBAN AND URBAN DESIGN DON'T MEAN SKYSCRAPERS. THE GOALS FOR TONIGHT. WE'RE GONNA COMPARE CONVENTIONAL CODE WITH FORM
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BASED CODE. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHY A FORM BASED CODE MAY BE PREFERRED. IN MANY CONTEXTS AND THE TOOLS THAT WE USE IN A FORM BASED CODE THAT MAKE IT DIFFERENT. FORM BASED CODE. THIS IS THE DEFINITION. UM REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS IS IT'S ABOUT PREDICTING CREATING A PREDICTABLE BUILT RESULTS WITH HIGH QUALITY PUBLIC REALM BY USING THE PHYSICAL FORM. RATHER THAN A SEPARATION OF USES OF THE ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE OF THE. NO THAT IS TO SAY WE'RE TRYING TO GET CLOSER AND CLOSER TO A CODE THAT HAS PREDICTABILITY AND PLACE MAKING AT ITS CORE. IN FORM BASED CODE, UM, BEDROOM CONVENTIONAL CODE, SO IN A CONVENTIONAL CODE. IT ESTABLISHES YOUR PERMITTED USES YOUR SETBACKS, MAXIMUM DENSITY, PRESCRIBED HEIGHTS AND PROVIDES PARKING STAND. IN FORM BASED CODE. YES ESTABLISHES PERMITTED USES SETBACKS, MAXIMUM DENSITY PERMITTED HEIGHTS AND PARKING STANDARDS. UM I REPEAT THAT JUST SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THESE ARE FORM BASED CODE IS STILL A SET OF LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. IT'S NOT THROWING THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER. IT'S ACTUALLY JUST RE EMPHASIZING DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF URBAN DESIGN AND PLANNING TO GET A MORE PREDICTABLE RESULT BY FOCUSING ON THE FORM OF THE BUILDING. SO AND CONVENTIONAL ZONING, FOR EXAMPLE. ALL OF THOSE REGULATIONS THAT I JUST MENTIONED LOOK INWARD TO THE SITE AND KEEP THE END USER IN MIND. AND THE QUESTION STILL IS OUT THERE, THOUGH. HOW WELL IS THAT GOING TO SERVE THE CITY AS A WHOLE? WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT PRODUCT IS GOING TO SERVE THE VISION OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. WHERE'S THE FORM BASED CODE AGAIN REGULATES INSIDE THE SITE, BUT IT ALSO HAS REGULATIONS TO LOOK AT. WHAT DOES THE CONTEXT OF THAT SITE. AND THEREFORE IT'S CREATING A MORE PREDICTABLE RESULT FOR THE COMMUNITY. THIS RIGHT HERE AND CONVENTIONAL CODE. YOU HAVE A MICROMANAGEMENT SEGREGATION OF USES AS THE PRINCIPAL ORGANIZING, UM, FEATURE. SO THIS IS A COMMIT, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR WITH COMMERCIAL STORE. UNIFORM BASED CODE. INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON PROVIDING THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PARKING OR SEGREGATING RESIDENTIAL, AND, U. COMMERCIAL FROM ONE ANOTHER.IT'S FOCUSED ON GETTING THE SHAPES AND THE FORM OF THE BUILDING AND THE STREET PROPER.
AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO GO VERY FAR TO FIND EXAMPLES OF. SO THESE ARE TWO BUILDINGS ON CAM DIN, ONE OF WHICH IS MY OFFICE. AND YOU'LL SEE THE OTHER ONE IS AN APARTMENT BUILDING AND THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR IN FORM, BUT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT USES. THEY CAN ADAPT OVER TIME. THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDING IS MEETING THE NEEDS. OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE USES FOLLOW THAT. THERE'S ALSO A CONVENTIONAL ZONING. THEY DON'T TYPICALLY LOOK AT WHAT THE PUBLIC ROUND LOOKS LIKE. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOUTH MIAMI. UM, A STREET IN SOUTH MIAMI. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT BEYOND THE SIT. THERE'S BEEN VERY LITTLE ATTENTION IN THESE BUILDINGS TO WHAT THE STREET IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE BEYOND PROVIDING A CURVE. IN FORM BASED CODE. THERE'S JUST AS MUCH ATTENTION GIVEN OVER TO THE PUBLIC REALM AND HOW THAT IS DEFINED IN ARTICULATED AS THE INDIVIDUAL SITES ARE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED THROUGH CITY INITIATIVES IN SOME CASES OR PRIVATE PARTNER. PARTNERSHIPS AND YOU KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT MECHANISMS ON HOW THAT HAPPENED. UM BUT IT'S ALWAYS A ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE OF HOW THE CODE IS WRITTEN AND AT THE FOREFRONT OF THE PLANNING PROCESS. THIS AERIAL COULD BE FAMILIAR. THIS IS US ONE AGAIN. THIS IS A SITE THAT WE LOOKED AT IN THE MASTER PLAN, AND IT'S ALSO A. AN EXAMPLE OF CONVENTIONAL CODE PUTTING SETBACKS AND PARKING STANDARDS AT THE FOREFRONT OF THE PLANET. AND IN THAT MASTER PLAN. WE STUDIED WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE AND WHAT IT COULD BE DEVELOPED TO BE IF. PARKING IS ADDRESSED AS A PARK ONCE ENVIRONMENT WHERE ADDRESSING THE STREET IS A PRIORITY, ALONG WITH ALL THOSE OTHER DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
AND AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO VERY FAR TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE LOOK AT PARKING AS A PARK. ONCE ENVIRONMENT WHEN WE LOOK AT LOOKING AT HEIGHT BY RATIONAL. FLOORS RATHER THAN
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ARBITRARY NUMBERS. OSCEOLA STREET IS A BEAUTIFUL EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU CAN VISUALLY SEE THAT THESE BUILDINGS ARE THREE STORIES. WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE 40 FT. TALL 45 FT. TALL 35 FT TALL. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE RATIONAL YOU KNOW MOST PEOPLE ABSORB. WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THE NUMBER OF STORIES. AND HOW THE STREET IS FRONTING. I'M AN ARCHITECT BY TRAINING. AND MY FIRST EXPOSURE TO FORM BASED CODES WHERE, ACTUALLY AS AN ARCHITECT, AND I THOUGHT, WOW, THESE ARE SO GROOVY. I HAVE PICTURES TO LOOK AT, AND I'M CHARTS TO HAVE MY ANSWERS, AND I DON'T HAVE TO READ PAGES AND PAGES OF LEGAL LANGUAGE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS. I'M ALLOWED TO DO. UM SO MANY OF US ABSORB INFORMATION BETTER IF YOU GRAPHICS AND THROUGH CHARTS, UM, FORM BASED CODE PUTS ATTENTION INTO. ILLUSTRATING IDEAS THAT WAY, ALONG WITH DESCRIPTIONS. SO IN SHORT, CONVENTIONAL ZONING IS A CLEAR DISTINCTION OF SEPARATE USES. AND. YOU KNOW, OFTEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TOO PICKY EATER WHO DOESN'T WANT ANYTHING TOUCHING? UM SOMETIMES THAT IS SO MEAN. AND SOMETIMES AS A CIT. ALL YOU GET, IS IT? YOU KNOW A PRODUCT THAT IS THE FRENCH FRIE, RIGHT? AND YOU DON'T WANT JUST THE FRENCH FRIES IN YOUR COMMUNITY. YOU WANT ALL THE VEGGIES? AND THE GOOD STUFF ALL MIXED TOGETHER, SO FORM BASED CODE IS THE HEARTY SOUP. LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. PIZZA OR PIZZA? YEAH, SECOND. UM. HOW DID THE FORM BASICALLY PROMOTE BETTER PREDICTABILITY AND PLACE MAKING THAT A CONVENTIONAL CODE WILDLY FROM PROVIDING DIRECTIONS? OF COURSE. THESE ARE TOOLS THAT ARE OFTEN FOUND IN FORM BASED CODES. SOME USE ALL OF THEM. SOME USE A FEW. IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES OF THE COMMUNITY.FIRST TOOL IN THE REAL ORGANIZING PRINCIPLES BEHIND THE CONCEPT OF FOR ME, SAID CODE ANY RETURN TO TRADITIONAL TOWN PLANNING IS IN THIS ILLUSTRATION HERE FROM DPZ. AND YOU MIGHT BE WONDERING WHY AM I SHOWING A NATURAL LANDSCAPE, BUT. WHAT THE CITY PLANNERS AND ARCHITECTS REALIZED IS THAT THERE'S AN APPROPRIATE SCALE. UM FOR TREES, VEGETATION PLANTS WORKING TOGETHER IN AN ENVIRONMENT. AND THEN THEY APPLIED THAT SAME CONCEPT TO THE URBAN FORM THE HUMAN FORM. SO IF I YEAH, OKAY. SO IF YOU FOLLOW ALONG HERE, THEY IDENTIFIED THIS T ONE AREA HERE AND IT'S NATURAL. THERE'S VERY FEW STREETS. UM YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT WERE TRYING TO PROTECT. THEN YOU HAVE THE RURAL ZONE WHERE IT'S AGAIN, LARGER IN SCALE, MORE FARMLAND, THE STREETS ARE SPARSE. THEN YOU MOVE FURTHER INTO THE SUBURBAN ZONE AND THEN YOU SEE THE INTRODUCTION OF SIDEWALKS. REAR LOADED LOTS AND THEN YOU MOVE FURTHER INTO THE GENERAL URBAN ZONE AGAIN, MORE CONNECTED SIDEWALKS MORE LAND DEVOTED TO BUILDING STRUCTURES. AND THEN THAT CONTINUES ON TO THE URBAN CENTER TO THE URBAN CORE. THIS IS. THIS IS FOR LAUDERDALE. THIS IS WITH PALM. THIS IS NOT IN OUR DNA HERE, AND THEN THERE ARE SPECIAL DISTRICT. SO AGAIN, THE CITY OF STEWART REALLY FALLS WITHIN THIS FRAMEWORK HERE FOR CONTENT. BUT WHAT'S GOOD TO NOTE IN THIS IS YOU KNOW EVERYTHING HAS ITS PROPER PLACE THE RIGHT SIZE TREE AND THE RIGHT SIZE SIDEWALK FOR THIS CONTEST. RIGHT SIZE SIDEWALK AND THE RIGHT SIZE BUILDING THROUGH THIS CONTEXT.
SO AGAIN. THIS IS THE ORGANIZING PRINCIPLES AND IDEAS BEHIND LOOKING AT A FORM BASED CODE.
THE OTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX IS THE REGULATING PLAN. NOW, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ZONING MAP THAT MANY OF US ARE FAMILIAR WITH, BUT IT HAS A FEW ADDITIONAL KEY FEATURES. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE FROM JENSEN BEACH. AND JENSEN BEACH. JENSEN BEACH BOULEVARD ISN'T REALLY IMPORTANT COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE STREET. SO IN THIS CASE, IF YOU ARE COMING IN WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE ON JENSEN BEACH BOULEVARD. NOW THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE UP HERE ON CHURCH STREET, BUT IT'S REALLY APPROPRIATE AND NECESSARY AND EXPECTED FOR REDEVELOPMENT HERE. UM SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURES AND HISTORY CAN BE MARKED ON A REGULATING PLAN. SO AGAIN IN
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JENSEN BEACH. WE HAVE A HISTORIC CHURCH HERE. THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND IT FRONTS A BUNCH OF VACANT LAND. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ANY DEVELOPER ANYBODY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AND PLANNER ON STAFF. KNOWS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS CHURCH IN THE CONTEXT. THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN AGAIN SPECIFIC TO JENSEN BEACH. HERE WE HAVE A LOT OF VACANT PARCELS AND A LONG STANDING COMMUNITY EXPECTATION THAT THERE WOULD BE NEW STREETS THAT WERE INTRODUCED INTO THIS AREA. THAT IS REGULATIONS ALLOW FOR, UM YOU KNOW SOME MOVEMENT OF THESE NEW STREETS. IT'S NOT DICTATING SPECIFICALLY WHERE THEY GO. BUT ANY DEVELOPER OR FUTURE PLANNING IN JENSEN BEACH. THIS IS DOCUMENTED MEMORIALIZED SO THAT THAT EXPECTATION DOESN'T GO AWAY WITH ONE INDIVIDUAL LEAVING. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, OR, YOU KNOW, CHANGING OVER OF STAFF OVER TIME. BUILDING TYPES. BUILDING TYPES ARE ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX. THERE'S TWO EXAMPLES HERE. THIS IS THE TOWNHOUSE AND THIS IS A COTTAGE COURT ON THIS IS A LIST OF COMMONLY USED BUILDING TYPES IN FORM BASED CODES. NOTE THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. OF THESE ARE NOT. IT'S NOT THE SAME RIGHT. A BUILDING TYPE IS NOT ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING VERY TRADITIONAL HERE AND VERY MODERN HERE, BUT THEY'RE BOTH TOWNHOUSES. AGAIN THIS IS AN EXAMPLE FROM A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY. BUT IT GIVES YOU A SENSE OF HOW THE CODE IS SET UP. YOU'VE GOT A DESCRIPTION AND ILLUSTRATION. YOU'VE GOT CHARTS AND YOU'VE GOT PICTURES. FRONTAGE TYPES. THESE ARE MY FAVORITE TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX.SO THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF. UM FRONTAGE TYPES THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE MARTIN COUNTY CRS. AND I'M GOING TO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL AS TO WHY THEY'RE ONE OF MY FAVORITE TOOLS. UM LOOK AT OSCEOLA STREET AGAIN. WE HAVE 630 FT OF CONTINUOUS BUILDING DOWNTOWN. YET IT'S A REALLY ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE. NO ONE COMPLAINS THAT THIS BUILDING IS SO LONG, RIGHT? AND IT'S NOT NOT ONLY THAT LONG IT GETS LONGER ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND THIS DOTTED PATH IS THE PATH THAT I FOLLOW. EVERY TIME I GO DOWNTOWN, AND NEARLY EVERYBODY DOES BECAUSE YOU ARE ENTICED TO KEEP WALKING. IT'S AN ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE. AND IT'S NO QUESTION AS TO WHY WE HAVE. STOREFRONTS WHICH IS ONE OF THE FRONTAGE TYPES LINING ALMOST EVERY LITTLE INDIVIDUAL STALL HERE. NOW FOR CONTEXT. WALMART AND STEWART IS ALSO 600 THIRTY'S FRONTAGE NOW. WALMART! CAN BE WALMART. THAT'S OKAY. BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND. I DON'T COME OUT HERE AND WALK BACK AND FORTH AND NOBODY ELSE DOES, EITHER BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE SAME KIND OF EXPERIENCE. SO IF WE WANT TO PROMOTE. THIS EXPERIENCE PLACES WE NEED TO HAVE REGULATIONS IN IN IN IN PLACE TO PROMOTE UM. AND THAT COMES INTO IMPORTANCE WHEN WE LOOK AT PLACES IN THE CREEK DISTRICT HERE, RIGHT? AWARE THERE'S SOME BIG LOSS HERE SOME POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT OVER TIME. AND THE CITY HAS DONE A LOVELY JOB IMPROVING JOHNSON, THE SHADE TREES, BIKE LANES WIDE SIDEWALK. WELL, WHAT'S MISSING FROM THIS BEING MY ENJOYABLE WALK THROUGH TOWN OR AN ACTIVATED STREET AND THAT'S THE FRONTAGE TYPE OR THE BUILDING TYPES OF THE GAME. ROAD ACTIVATING THAT STREET. CIVIC OPEN SPACES IMPORTANT TOOL OFTEN USED FOR BIG CODES. CONVENTIONAL ZONING IS USUALLY, UM, AGAIN AND SEPARATING USES IS FOCUSED ON BUFFERS AND IT WATER PERCOLATIO, WHICH IS IMPORTANT, BUT NOT ALWAYS THE BEST AT REGULATING FOR SITTING OPEN SPACES. SO AGAIN, IT'S A BIG OPEN SPACE WOULD BE GREENWAY PARK, GREEN SQUARES, CLAUSES AND PLAYGROUNDS TO CITY A STEWART. YOU KNOW, ALREADY HAS A LOT OF WONDERFUL AMENITIES LIKE THIS WHEN REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENS WHEN NEW SITES CHANGE USES, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE KEPT IN THE FOREFRONT. THEY'RE ALL FAIR TYPES. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW MUCH DETAIL CAN GO INTO THOSE STREETSCAPES THAT IT WAS MENTIONING, UM. YOU KNOW, FORM BASED CODES WE'LL TALK ABOUT AND A LOT OF TRADITIONAL TOWN PLANNING. WE'LL TALK ABOUT HAVING 15 FT SIDEWALKS, AND YOU'RE LIKE WHAT? 15 FT SIDEWAL.
THAT'S CRAZY. IT'S NOT CRAZY WHEN YOU TALK WITH. D TRAILING OUT WHAT CAN HAPPEN THERE STREET TREES? THE SIDEWALK WHERE THOSE LIGHT POLES GO. THE TYPES OF SPECIES OF TREES FRONTAGE IS
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THAT GO INTO THAT SETBACK. THIS IS THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT CAN GO INTO. FRONTAGE TYPE AND THE THOROUGHFARE TYPES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT. UM THIS IS AN EXAMPLE FROM DONOR COLD OFFICE FOR BRANDON TO FLORIDA, WHERE THEY WENT THROUGH AND IDENTIFIED THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF STREETS AND A D NETWORK OF STREETS. AND WHAT THOSE WOULD LOOK LIKE AND WHAT CAN LOOK LIKE? AND I GOT A SIDE BAR A LITTLE BIT INTO COMPLETE STREETS BECAUSE COMPLETE STREETS ARE ANOTHER REALLY IMPORTANT, UM. INITIATIVE THAT HAS PUT ATTENTION ONTO THE THROW. THAT AGAIN. YOU SEE COLORADO, WHICH WAS A COMPLETE STREET AND, UH. AND OSCEOLA HERE THAT HAVE REALLY BEAUTIFUL INTERVENTIONS IN THE STREET. NOT ONLY ARE THEY BEAUTIFUL, BUT THEY ALSO PERMITS SAFE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. UM, THEY ENCOURAGED BIKING, CYCLING, WALKING AND BOLSTER ECONOMIC ACTIVITY. AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT IN CASE ANY OF YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW THESE EXAMPLES RIGHT HERE. THESE ARE SLIDES TAKEN FROM F D O. T S PRESENTATIONS ON COMPLETE STREETS. SO I WANTED THE CITY OF STEWART AND. STAFF HERE AND BROKE YOUR AND LISTEN NO, THAT YOU GUYS ARE EXAMPLES OF GOOD COMPLETE STREETS FOR THE STATE. HMM. I THOUGHT WAS A NICE COMPLIMENT. SPECIAL FEATURES TO CONSIDER SO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE NOT ALWAYS PART OF A FOREIGN BASE CAMP. UM THEY'RE OFTEN THEY CAN BE, UM, AND THEY CAN BE AS PRESCRIPTIVE OR NOT AS PRESCRIPTIVE AS A COMMUNITY DESIRES, SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO YOU. CONSIDER. SUSTAINABILITY REQUIREMENTS CAN ALSO BE WORKED INTO THE CODE, JUST LIKE THEY COULD BE WORKED INTO ANY BUILDING REGULATION ALONG WITH STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. THOSE ARE. PIECES OF THE PUZZLE THAT FIT IN, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY DEFINE WHAT ORGANIZES A FORM BASED CODE. AND THEN GOING TO DO ONE CASE STUDY.THIS IS PALM CITY. COMMUNITY THAT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I THINK MOST OF US ARE FAMILIAR WITH. THIS IS A PICTURE OF MAP ROAD FROM 2000 AND 19. WE DID, UM, THEY'VE HAD A COOK. THEY'VE HAD A FORM BASED CODE. FOR SOME YEARS NOW, AND THERE STARTED TO BE SOME BUILDINGS THAT CAME UP TO THE FRONT. AND THEN IN THE LAST YEAR, THEY'VE COMPLETED A COMPLETE THE STREET PROJECT THERE AND WE, UM, CODE UPDATE FOR THEM THAT WAS ADOPTED IN MAY OF 2021. IN IT WAS INCLUDED A REGULATING PLAN. AGAIN WE CALLED OUT OUR SPECIAL CIVIC BUILDING HERE RIGHT AT THE PARK. THE RIPPLE PROJECT, WHICH IS A SERIES OF ART AND STORMWATER INSTALLATION PROJECTS, THEIR PUBLIC PARKS. THEY ALSO. CLUED PUBLIC ART AND STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS VERY MUCH SO NEEDED IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN IF YOU ALSO NOTICED THE COLORED RADIATION HERE, THESE DIFFERENT COLORS ALL INDICATE THE DIFFERENT SUBDISTRICTS WHICH ARE LIKE ZONING DISTRICT. UM BUT THE COLORS ALSO TRY TO STILL TELL THE STORY OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO THE DARKER THE COLOR, THE HIGHER THE INTENSITY OR THE IMPACT OF THE USES AND THE BUILDING TYPES. AND THE LIGHTER THE COLOR. UM YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S THE PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE, FAMILY DETACHED NEIGHBORHOOD. MATT INFORMS OUR STREET. THIS IS A STREET REGULATING PLAN AND THOSE RED.
THAT RED LINE IS THE PRIMARY STREET. AGAIN USING THIS STREET THOROUGHFARE IN THE BUILDING TYPES AND THE FRONTAGE TAPES. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A REGULATION AND ON IT'LL PUMP CITY THAT IF YOU'RE BUILDING A BUILDING ON THE STREETS, YOUR FRONT DOOR NEEDS TO FACE THE STREET. SOUNDS PRETTY PRIMARY AND SOUNDS OBVIOUS, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE SAID SOMETIMES SO WE GO AHEAD AND SAY IT SO THAT LATER ON DOWN THE LINE, THERE'S NOT A COMMITTEE. CONFUSION ABOUT. UM WHAT WAY YOU'RE BUILDING SHOULD BE FACING. AND THEN THE SECONDARY STREET NETWORK AND OLD PUMP CITY WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN HOW IT'S USED IN SOME COMMUNITIES. UM. USUALLY ARE OFTEN USING A AND D STREET NETWORK BUT WITH THE SECONDARY STREET NETWORK HERE MEANS THESE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT ACCESS POINTS TO THE SCHOOL TO PUBLIC PARKS. THEY'RE ALSO THE THROUGH STREETS AND THE COMMUNITY. AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE WERE PRIORITY WHEN SIERRA'S WE'RE LOOKING TO DO. MORE WORK IN THE IN THE COMMUNITY AND AGAIN DOCUMENTING YOU KNOW WHERE.
PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALKS ARE MORE IMPORTANT, UM, AND FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS FOR THE
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COMMUNITY. WE LIST OUT THE PERMITTED USES THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AGAIN. THE NAMES OF THE DISTRICTS TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S INSIDE. WE TALKED ABOUT CORE CORE IS THE DOWNTOWN. UM DETACHED, MEANING IT'S PREDOMINANTLY DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND I KNOW THE FONT IS REALLY SMALL HERE, BUT WE'RE TALKING AND PROVIDED THE REGULATIONS FOR HEIGHT.DENSITY THERE'S A COMMON MISCONCEPTION OUT THERE. THAT FORM BASED CODE REQUIRES HIGH DENSITY AND MIXED USE EVERYWHERE. IT'S NOT TRUE. UM WHETHER OR NOT IT'S HIGH DENSITY OR MIXED USE DEPENDS ON THE COMMUNITY'S REGION. SO IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THERE'S A MIXED USE ASPECT IN EVERY PARCEL OF EVERY DEVELOPMENT WHEN YOU DO IT FOR ME. ANYBODY WHO HAS, YOU KNOW, HAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. THAT'S THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY HAPPEN AGAIN. OPEN SPACE BUILDING PLACEMENT HERE IS REGULATED BY YOUR BUILDING TYPE.
AND THEN HERE IS THE LIST OF THE PERMITTED BUILDING TYPES LIKE DISTRICT. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE ILLUSTRATION OF THE BUILDING TYPES AND OLD PUMP CITY. THIS IS THE TOWNHOUSE. AND THAT'S PERMITTED IN THE CORE CORRIDOR AND THAT INDUSTRIAL MULTI FAMIL. FRONTAGE TYPES AGAIN. REPEAT MYSELF A LITTLE BIT MORE AND ILLUSTRATION, PICTURE DESCRIPTION AND A CHART AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THESE DIMENSIONS RIGHT BECAUSE THE FRONTAGE TYPES ARE. SHOULD BE FUNCTIONAL PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE. THEY'RE EXTENSIONS OF THAT PUBLIC REALM. SO THE ARCADE IS MY FAVORITE EXAMPLE. BECAUSE. TOO OFTEN. YOU SEE ARCADES THAT YOU CAN'T WALK IN, AND THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING FOR ACTIVATING THE STREET OR PROVIDING SHADE.
UM, THAT THEY DO WHEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY. THIS IS MY BROTHER IN 2019. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW. UM. AND YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE COME UP TO THE STREETS SINCE THAT REDEVELOPMENT OF THE COMPLETE STREET PROJECT, LOOK AT HOME, AND THEY'RE ADDRESSING THE SIDES. THE STREET. MUCH BETTER, UM, ON STREET PARKING. THIS IS AGAIN REMINDER OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE BEFORE YOU HAD STORMWATER IN THE FRONT. SINCE THEY'VE DONE THIS PROJECT. WE'VE HAD ALL THIS RAIN AND THEY'VE DONE SUCH A PHENOMENAL JOB THAT ENGINEERING AT THE COUNTY AND IN THIS PROJECT, THEY'RE HANDLING STORMWATER JUST BEAUTIFULLY. UM I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THIS BUILDING AND THIS PARKING LOT. BECAUSE IT HAS NOT REDEVELOP. BUT ITS FUNCTION HAS TOTALLY CHANGED. SO THIS IS THE SAME PARKING LOT. AND THEY JUST QUICKLY ADAPTED TO THIS NEW STREET BY PUTTING THEIR, UM. SHARES OUT HERE PUT OUT THEIR THEIR ICE CREAM CREAM SHOP HERE.
NOW IT IS AN ACTIVATED. MAIN STREET. YOU KNOW IT'S HAPPENING ALREADY, EVEN BEFORE THE BUILDINGS HAVE CHANGED. YOU SEE PEOPLE HERE. I LOVE SEEING THE KIDS RIDING THEIR BIKES HERE. UM IT'S JUST REALLY EXCITING TO SEE IT HAPPENING AGAIN. THAT WAS THE PARKING LOT AND IT'S NOW. YOU KNOW, FILLED WITH ACTIVITY AND PEOPLE MEETING THEIR NEIGHBORS. UM A NICE FEATURE THAT WAS INCLUDED ON THIS STREET AGAIN TO TALK ABOUT COMPLETE STREETS, NOT JUST BEING ABOUT BEAUTIFICATION.
IT'S HARD TO SEE IN THE PICTURES, BUT. THESE LINES RIGHT HERE. YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE INTERSECTION IS CURB LISTS. SO AS YOU APPROACH THE INTERSECTIO, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DEFLECTION TO HELP SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC, AND IT'S MAKING IT SAFER FOR THESE CYCLIST. THIS WAS TAKEN AT LIKE 7 30 IN THE MORNING, AND THERE ARE TWO CYCLISTS OUT WHICH I JUST THOUGHT WAS FANTASTIC. HOME. AN. ENOUGH ABOUT PALM CITY NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK. UM THIS IS THE STUDY AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AGAIN. THE CREEK DISTRICT. ANDY STEWART, UM. WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE CREEK DISTRICT SINCE TWO SINCE, UM, CODE WAS ADOPTED HER. THERE'S NOW AN ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS. SO WE'RE ASKING THAT QUESTION. HOW CAN THE CODE REALIGN WITH THE VISION FOR THE CREEK DISTRICT? AND THEN HE STEWART. THAT VISION PLAN WAS DEVELOPED IN 2000 AND TWO AND IT'S TIME WE UPDATE THA. WHERE WE ARE IN OUR PROCESS KICKED OFF ON OCTOBER 20TH.
WE'RE CONDUCTING INTERVIEWS RIGHT NOW, UM R E. STEWART VISION UPDATE WORKSHOP IS COMING UP ON DECEMBER 9TH. I'M HERE TODAY DOING THIS PRESENTATION AND I'LL BE BACK AT THE CRB DOING A SIMILAR PRESENTATION. WE'VE GOT A WALKING TOUR ON JANUARY 22ND FOR BOTH DISTRICTS.
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AND FROM THAT POINT. WILL BE DEVELOPING THE CODE WILL COME BACK AND THEN YOUR JUNE WITH WORK IN PROGRESS PRESENTATION WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN HOPEFULLY AT THAT POINT WILL THEN TRANSITION INTO PRESENTATIONS FOR ADOPTION OF ANY OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, S.THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME GO THROUGH THOSE MANY ITEMS. THANK YOU SO MUCH MUST SEEM MORE AND SO YOUR PROJECT, YOUR TOTAL FORM BASED SCHOOL PROJECT COMING TO US, AND DURING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE COMPLETED BY WHEN FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT SEPTEMBER. OF 2022 2022 EXACTLY OKAY. THEN JOHN. ALL THE NOTICES WILL GO OUT AND THERE WILL BE AMPLE LOCATIONS AND ABSOLUTELY PEOPLE TO GIVE INPUT. ABSOLUTELY SO. A LOT OF OUR INPUT SESSION IS HEAVY ON THE FRONT END WHERE WE WANT TO GET THE WE'RE GOING TO ASK ALL THESE QUESTIONS THAT THOSE FIRST TWO SLIDES THAT WE HAVE. UM ABOUT WHAT'S THE VISION WHERE THEIR PLACE IS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALIGNED WITH WHERE EACH COMMUNITY WANTS TO GO. UM SO THOSE DECEMBER 9TH MEETING AND THE WORKSHOP I'M SORRY, AND THE JANUARY 22ND WORKSHOP OR REALLY IMPORTANT, UM AS WELL. FROM THEN WHEN WE GO TO ME AND JUNE THOSE WILL BE ADDITIONAL PRESENTATIONS WITH THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION. MOM AND THEN IT'S FAR AS PART OF ADOPTION OF ANY OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. THERE WILL BE AT LEAST FIVE PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH THAT AS WELL SO WELL. YOU'LL BE TIRED OF ME. SURE. THANK YOU, UM AH! UM THIS IS A PRESENTATION, BUT I'M SURE THAT. COMMISSION MAY HAVE QUESTIONS ALMOST, UM THIS. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? CITY MANAGER? I NEED TO GO TO THE SURRENDER. QUICK QUESTION TO DECEMBER. 9TH.
WHAT TIME IS THAT? A GOOD LIKE WE 5 30? YES AT THE A 10 STREET CENTER. THANK YOU. DECEMBER 9TH OF THE 10TH STREET CENTER. AND WHILE YOU WELL. I'LL HAVE I WANT TO SAY THIS LATER, BUT, UM, IT IS KIND OF IMPORTANT BECAUSE COMMUNICATION IS A KEY, BUT I MUST TELL YOU THAT WITH, UM.
BEGAN TO SERVED US IS PROBABLY GOING TO GET THE PULITZER PRIZE FOR GETTING OUT THERE AND GETTING THOSE DOOR HANGERS OUT AND ALL THOSE THINGS SO WE EXPECT TO SEE GOOD COMMUNICATION DURING THIS PROCESS AND TO GET PEOPLE INVOLVED. SO DECEMBER 9T. STILL SOMEWHAT EARLY IN THE SEASON, BUT ANYTHING RIGHT NOW IS ALWAYS VISIT TIME. BUT WE HOPE TO GET, UM. PEOPLE INVOLVED ON DECEMBER 9TH 5 30, SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT BEFORE IT GETS DARK, SO IT'S NOT SO OVERWHELMING AND WE HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL COME IN. TOM. TO THAT AND WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME COMMISSIONERS.
WOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PRESENTATION? I DON'T. YES, MR COMMISSIONER MCDONALD. I JUST SAID I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS YOU DON'T OKAY? THAT'S A GOOD SIGN. OKAY NO QUESTIONS ON THE PRESENTATION, MR EXCITING STUFF. THANK THANK YOU. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. AND TO GET IN SOME INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC. AND OF COURSE WE HAVE YOUR OTHER HALF OF THE TRIANGLE THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON. GET AN IMPLEMENTATION. SO AGAIN, MR GANDHI SERVED US HAS HER HANDS FULL. TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER FOR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH ON YOUR BICYCLE HOME. YOU SHOULD BUY. IT SHOULD BE SAFE IN FRONT OF SWEETHEART, RIGHT? MM HMM. SHOULD BE. IF THERE'S ANY PLACE IT SHOULD BE SAFE. I KNOW QUESTIONS. UM. SO THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU. MS. CANDICE SERVED US FOR, UM ALLOWING THIS PRESENTATION. TO COME TO US IN THIS MANNER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UM, COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER
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BRUNER. IS FORCED EVERYONE OF. THANK YOU FOR MR MIKE. COOL WEATHER. I JUST WALKED OUTSIDE BEFORE THIS MEETING, AND IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL. COMMISSIONER MCDONALD. YEAH HAPPY THANKSGIVING. IT'S ALWAYS LIKE TO REFLECT THIS TIME OF YEAR AND THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING I'M THANKFUL FOR, AND I AM SO BLESSED TO BE THANKFUL FOR SO MANY THINGS, SO THAT'S AND I HOPE EVERYBODY ELSE AS WELL AND WISH EVERYBODY HAPPY THANKSGIVING. AND UM, ATTENDED THE RIBBON CUTTING AND GRAND OPENING OF THE CBP, CUSTOMS, BORDER PROTECTION'S AIR AND[00:45:04]
MARINE UNIT THAT'S BASED HERE AND STEWART, AND THAT WAS QUITE AN OPERATION. AND IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY NICE HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL LAYER OF LAYER OF LAW ENFORCEMENT BASED RATE YOU'RE OUT OF STEWART. UM THEIR MISSION IS PRETTY INTENSE, AND, UH, SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THEY DO HERE AND HELPING KEEPING OUR COUNTRY SAFE. THEY'RE PART OF THE NATIONAL HOMELAND SECURITY DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, SO. BUT IT IS NAMED FOR PEERS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON THAT. OKAY UM, COMMISSIONER, MY, UM MEYER. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. YES I WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY THANKSGIVING COMING UP. I'M THANKFUL TO SERVE ALONGSIDE YOU ALL AND BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY AND. I KNOW WE'RE IN A MOMENT WHERE WE'RE GROWING AND YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYONE AGREES WITH US OR ME ALL THE TIME, BUT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE SERVING WITH YOU ALL AND I THINK WE DO A PRETTY DARN GOOD JOB. DOING THE BEST WE CAN AND WORKING WITH THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE. UM. I JUST WANTED TO. I DIDN'T HAVE A QUESTION FOR MISS SEYMOUR. BUT UM, I WAS SO GLAD THAT WE HAD THAT. PRESENTATION ON FORM BASED CODE AND HOW WE THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN REGULATE THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT IN OUR CITY BEFORE WE HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT DISCUSSION LATER ON TODAY, SOMEONE FROM POINTS AROUND CONVENTIONAL ZONING REALLY ONLY LOOKING INWARD AND JUST AND TRYING TO CREATE DISCRETE USES ON DIFFERENT PARCELS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE COMPATIBLE OR NOT COMPATIBLE JUST BY ZONING AND JUST BY THE USE OF THOSE PARCELS. IS MISSING SO MUCH IT'S MISSING SO MUCH OF WHAT PEOPLE ASK OF US ALL THE TIME. WHICH IS HOW DO WE BUILD THE CITY? WE WANT TO SEE THE CITY WE ALL LOVE AND IMPROVE UPON THAT CITY AND.AND TOOLS LIKE FORM BASED CODE, I THINK, REALLY ALLOW US TO FINALLY DO THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE SOMETIMES ROLL THEIR EYES. WHEN WE SAY WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF POWER HERE. IT'S MORE THAN JUST SAYING YES AND NO TO INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS. HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW FOR THE CREEK AND FOR E. STEWART PROVIDES US PROVIDES DEVELOPERS WITH A PALETTE FOR WHAT'S POSSIBLE. UM SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO TRAVEL TOGETHER SOMETHING ON THE FLOOR HERE WHEN PROJECTS COME TO US, SO I THINK IT'S JUST A GREAT PRIMER FOR OUR DISCUSSION LATER ON. I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION I'M SURE YOU WILL HAVE NOTICED TWO OSPREY PRESERVED PLANTING AS WELL UNDERWAY. UM I THINK SO FA, THEY'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB APPEARS TO ME AS OF YESTERDAY. I GO BY THERE ALL THE TIME. YESTERDAY MOST OF THE IF NOT ALL OF THE PLANTING ALONG GREEN RIVER PARKWAY HAS BEEN DONE. THE BUFFER LOOKS VERY GOOD. THE TREES ARE NICE AND BIG. OF COURSE, IT'S JUST TERRIBLE THAT WE, YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS CLEARED IN THE FIRST PLACE. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THINGS GET REPLANTED. THERE'S STILL SOME BIG HOLES IN THE FRONTAGE ALONG JENSEN BEACH BOULEVARD, BUT THEY ARE COMING IN NICELY AND THERE'S STILL I THINK UP TO DECEMBER 7TH I WANT TO SAY IS OR 17 17. IS WHEN THEY HAVE IT ON THERE. SO YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING WITH STAFF. LET'S ALL KEEP AN EYE ON IT. WE HAVE. YOU KNOW WE'RE HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO THAT PLAN. UM, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL. GET IT DONE LIKE THEY SAID THEY WOULD. SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT MOVING ALONG. AND THAT'S ALL I HAPPENED.
EXCELLENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. VICE MAYOR. UM YES, THANK YOU. LAST THURSDAY. I GOT THE HONOR OF SERVING WELL OVER 100 THANKSGIVING. FREE THANKSGIVING DINNERS HAD GERTRUDE WALDEN AND I JUST WANTED TO THANK AGAIN. THELMA WASHINGTON FOR LEADING THAT EFFORT, AND I KNOW. ALL OF HER TEAM OF VOLUNTEERS OVER THERE. YOU KNOW, DO AN EXCELLENT JOB FEEDING ALL THOSE IN NEED.
WHO COULD USE A FREE THANKSGIVING MEAL? THOSE THAT MAY NOT HAVE THE MEANS TO HAVE A WONDERFUL MEAL THAT A LOT OF US ARE MAYBE LOOKING FORWARD TO UM, ALSO THANK OUR COMMUNITY RELATIONS DEPARTMENT OF OUR OFFICERS THERE, UM, CAPTAIN OR TODD? OH, TAMMY RACHEL. AND OF COURSE, CHIEF TO MINNELLI WAS THERE. AS WELL HELPING OUT UM. AND YOU KNOW IT. IT MAKES YOU REFLECT AND THINK SOMETIMES HOW FORTUNATE. WE MAY BE UM. I ATTENDED THE CUSTOMS AND BORDER PATROL WITH COMMISSIONER MCDONALD AS HE SAID. AND ALSO ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO, I MET WITH ONE OF THE BRIGHT LINE REPRESENTATIVES AND. NO, I KNOW WHAT WE MAY ALL KNOW. AND WHAT.
CHIEF DIOCESE DEBRIEF JUST ON THAT BRIGHT LINE IS COMING. ROUGHLY THE FIRST QUARTER OF
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2023. THEY INTEND TO OPERATE WITH THE EXISTING RAIL BRIDGE. SHOCKINGLY A LOT OF THE AGENTS THAT ARE NEW CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION FACILITY. DIDN'T SEEM TO BE FULLY AWARE OF THAT. UM, AND WHEN I ASKED THEM ONE IF THEIR BOAT COULD. GO UNDER THE EXISTING ROOSEVELT BRIDGE. WHEN IT'S DOWN, THEY SAID YES. UM, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS. I DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO ASK THEM IF THEY COULD GO UNDER THE TRAIN BRIDGE, WHICH IS DOWN. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT NEW THE ANSWER. THEY CAN'T.AND WHEN I FILLED THEM IN THAT THAT TRAIN BRIDGE WILL. BE DOWN ROUGHLY 45 MINUTES OF EVERY HOU.
THEY WERE A BIT TAKEN ABACK. AND THE GENTLEMAN CHARGED OFFERED. YOU KNOW TO ME WHATEVER HELP WE COULD GET. OR HE COULD GIVE ANYTHING IN WRITING AND PURSUIT OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING A NEW TRAIN BRIDGE. AND WHEN I MET WITH THE BRIGHT LINE REPS I EXPRESSED. THAT THE GOAL I THINK THEY NEED TO TRY AND HIT. IN AND DESIGNING A NEW BRIDGES TO MAKE A GOAL AT LEAST. AS HIGH, IF NOT HIGHER THAN OUR EXISTING OLD ROOSEVELT BRIDGE WHEN IT'S DOWN. THAT'S A MARK THAT MANY VOTERS ALREADY KNOW THAT WILL SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. AND YOU KNOW THOSE THAT CAN'T GET UNDER THE EXISTING ROOSEVELT DRAWBRIDGE ALREADY USED TO HAVING TO WAIT. BUT HAVING A CUSTOMS AND BORDER PATROL FACILITY ON ONE SIDE OF THE BRIDGE BEING LIMITED ACCESS, YOU KNOW? TO THEIR ENTIRE TERRITORY, UM IS JUST ELEVATES THE CONCERN THAT IS A SAFETY ISSUE. UM AND MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT THE CITY OF STEWART DRAFT LETTER AND. STRESSING UM, OUR CONCERN OF THAT SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE THAT AT THAT OPENING, I'M SURE COMMISSIONER MCDONALD'S SAW WAS, UM REPRESENTATIVES FROM CONGRESSMAN MASS OFFICE. SENATOR SCOTT AND SENATOR RUBIO AND THEY ALL ACTUALLY. BESIDES THE REPRESENTED FROM MASS OFFICE SEEMED A LITTLE. SURPRISED AND DIDN'T SEEM TO KNOW ABOUT THE TIMING OF BRIGHT LINE. AND THE BRIDGE CLOSURE. AND BASICALLY AT THIS POINT. PERCENT OF STEWART. WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO TRY AND GET A NEW BRIDGE BUILT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE I SEE IT AS A MAJOR SAFETY ISSUE. UM. SO ON THAT NOTE, IF YOU GUYS ARE AGREE WITH ME, I'D LIKE US TO DRAFT A LETTER STRESSING STEWART'S CONCERN. FOR THE MULTIPLE SAFETY ISSUES REGARDING BRIGHT LINES PLANNED OPERATION. OF THE EXISTING LIMITED CLEARANCE RAIL BRIDGE. OVER THE ST LUCIE RIVER. I LIKE THAT LETTER TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT.
THAT THE BRAND NEW. BASE OF THE FORT PIERCE MARINE UNIT. WILL HAVE LIMITED ACCESS. TO ITS SERVICE AREA WHEN THE RAIL BRIDGES DOWN. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR BROOKS.
WELL, NO. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I MEAN, THEIR BOAT IS GOING TO BE STATIONED AND FRASURE CREEK. ON A LIFT, SO IF THEY WANT TO. LEAVE THEIR BOAT LIFT. YOU KNOW, IN ANY RAPID MANNER. I CAN'T.
THE BRIDGE IS DONE. THE BRIDGE MIGHT BE DOWN OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2023 IS THAT BRIDGE BY THE LAWSUIT SETTLED WITH MARTIN COUNTY. ONLY HAS TO BE OPEN FOR 15 MINUTES OF EVERY HOUR. SO THEY WERE FAIRLY CONCERNED LEARNING THIS INFORMATION. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THEY PLANNED TO STAGE THE VOTE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF JUST BE HOLDING IT THERE. PLACE MAYOR WHO'S THE LETTER TO JOB GETTING TO THAT POINT. SORRY I DIGRESSED A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE LETTER WOULD BE TO SENATOR RUBIO SCOTT. CONGRESSMAN MASKED AND GOVERNOR TO SANTA. WHAT I WOULD WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, IS I LIKE THE IDEA SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON THE BRIGHT LINE FOR YEARS. UH IS THE HAVE STAFF. WE'RE KIND OF LETTER AND BRING IT BACK TO US NEXT MEETING BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A. UM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FINAL DRAFT BEFORE. YEAH, THAT'S THANKS. SO I WOULD THINK THAT, UH. IT FELT, YOU KNOW, DIRECT STAFF TO WORK ON A. OH LETTER AND MAYBE WORK WITH OUR WELL ONCE WITH HER. BOBBY IS TO MAKE SURE ALL THE LANGUAGE RIGHT
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ONCE THEY BRING BACK THE LETTER THAT WE HAVE NEXT MEETING BEFORE SENDING IT, I'D LIKE US TO GO BACK AND REACH OUT. TO THE CUSTOMERS AND BORDER PATROL FACILITY AND SEE IF WE CAN GET LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THAT AGENCY PRIOR TO SENDING UM. YOU KNOW WHEN I'D BE HAPPY WITH THE LETTER IN HAND TO GO THERE, OR WE COULD HAVE OUR STAFF DO IT? UM THEY EXPRESSED TO ME THAT THEY WANT TO SUPPORT THIS MISSION IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE, AND THEY SEE THE BIG SAFETY CONCERN.AS WELL. AND IF WE WANTED TO TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER. I MEAN TO ME, THAT'S A MUST THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A LETTER SUPPORT FROM THE FEDERAL AGENTS. YEAH BUT IF WE WANTED TO TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER, WE COULD THEN BROADEN OUR REACH. AT THAT POINT, DECIDE IF WE WANT TO GO TO THE MARINE INDUSTRIES ASSOCIATION. AND, UM. YOU KNOW OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE STAKE IN THIS AROUND TOWN BEFORE SENDING THAT LETTER. I WILL JUST SAY THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A LETTER FROM CBP ON AND WAIT ON, THAT MIGHT NOT BE BACK FOR THIS NEXT MEETING BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S A. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO JUST WRITE THAT THIS LOCAL LEVE. LET'S KIND OF GO UP THE CHAIN AND I'M JUST GOING TO WRITE THAT LETTER, AND IT'S GOING TO GET POLITICAL FOR ME. I DON'T SEE. I SEE THE MORE OF THE URGENCY, THE LETTER GETTING DONE. UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE A TIMING ISSUE. THIS THIS LETTER IS NOT GOING TO ALTER THE TIMING OF BLACK BRIGHT LIGHTS PLANT.
THEY'VE ALREADY GOTTEN APPROVAL. BUT I THINK GETTING A LETTER NOW WITH THE CBP. WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IF WE'RE SENDING IT TO BOTH ARE SENATORS AND THE GOVERNOR. IF I COULD JUST TRY MEN, SO WHEN I'M REVIEWING IT, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. ARE WE IS THE CITY JUST SUPPORTING. BRIGHT LINES ACTIONS. THERE'S THE SUPPORT IS A CITY, SAYING THAT IT THINKS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING. OR IS IT ARE WE ASKING THEM TO BUILD UNDER BRIDGE? YEAH THAT'S WHY I WANT TO SEE THE LETTER TO READ. YEAH NO, NO DRAFTED. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT. WE'LL JUST URGED THAT ALL THAT CAN POSSIBLY BE DONE. TO FACILITATE OR REQUIRE BRIGHT LINE. TO CONSTRUCT A NEW RAIL BRIDGE WITH CLARENCE AT LEAST AS HIGH AS OUR EXISTING ROOSEVELT PRINCE. UM AND THE THOUGHT BEHIND THE LETTER WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD BRING THIS BEFORE SENDING IT TO ANYONE UPON OUR APPROVAL. FOR THE CUSTOMS AND BORDER PATROL FACILITY TO SEE IF THEY WENT BACK. THIS HALF. THAT MIGHT TAKE MONTHS TO GET THAT I WOULD JUST GET A LETTER AND IF WE COME UP WITH THE LETTER THAT WE WANT TO SEND AND GET IT SENT OUT. AND JUST REFERENCED THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE CUSTOMS AND BORDER PATROL PROTECTION HERE. OR IN THE LETTER AS A ANOTHER REASON WHY, BECAUSE BY THE TIME IT GOES UP TO THE CHAIN, IT MIGHT BE FOUR MONTHS BEFORE. WELL LET'S LET'S GET THE LETTER DRAFTED AND SEE BECAUSE HE TOLD ME THAT THE AT THE OPENING THAT HE'D BE WILLING TO PUT ANYTHING ON LETTERHEAD. HIMSELF AND WRITING TO SUPPORT THIS, SO LET'S. IF IT DOES TAKE MONTHS, THEN WE MIGHT WANT TO SEND THE LETTER ANYWAY. BUT WE MIGHT AS WELL GO AND TALK TO THEM AND SEE THEIR THOUGHTS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S YOU KNOW? ONCE THEY START BRINGING UP THE CHAIN THEN SO THEY GET POLITICAL AND THEY'RE GOING TO FIND OUT THE CONGRESSMAN AND THE SHIP AT THE SENATORS TAKE ON THIS AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING THAT WANT. YOU KNOW? THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS ON THAT WOULD JEOPARDIZE THE ROOM RIGHT THERE. YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY. THEY SAID TO US THAT AT A FUNCTION WHERE THEY'RE ALL HAPPY AND CUTTING A RIBBON VERSUS WHAT GETS PUT ON PAPER, DIFFERENT THINGS. I KNOW, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THEY'RE THE GUYS WORKING THERE THAT ARE GOING TO BE HELD UP BECAUSE OF THE BRIDGE AND OUR MISSION IS TO GET. A NEW BRIDGE BUILT WITH HIGHER CLEARANCE. NO, NO WAY POSSIBLE. WE NEED ALL SUPPORT. WE CAN GET ABSOLUTELY BUT. I THINK IT'S I THINK THE JUST FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF LET'S BE READY TO GO WITHOUT A LETTER FROM THEM AND JUST REFERENCED THEM WELL. WE CAN HAVE THE LETTER DRAFTED AND YOU KNOW, DISCUSS IT. TWO MEETINGS FROM NOW, ONCE WE HAVE A SHOT AT BRINGING IT TO THEM AND SEEING THEIR THOUGHTS. I LIKE THAT. I THINK. I MEAN, I WASN'T THERE AND HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD WE SHOULD LEVERAGE. CBP S OWN ANXIETY ABOUT AROUND NOT WANTIN, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE SAFETY ISSUE OF THE BRIDGE RATHER THAN US GETTING IN AND SAYING WE'RE REQUIRING YOU TO, YOU KNOW, I'D RATHER KNOW. YEAH I WANT TO LEVERAGE THAT FACILITIES LOCATION. YEAH. ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BRIDGE OF THE MAJORITY OF THE SERVICE AREA THEY SERVE. AND THEM SHARING THE SAME SAFETY ISSUES THAT I KNOW WE ALL SHARE AS A COMMISSION. THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE LETTER AND THE GOAL WOULD BE DESCENDED.
TO ALL OUR FEDERAL REPRESENTATIVES, AS WELL AS MOST LIKELY IN MY MIND GOVERNOR TO
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SANTA'S BEHIND THAT CONSENSUS AS TO WHAT WE'RE ASKING STAFF OR DO WE NEED TO HAVE ON BOARD AND EMOTION? I THINK THERE'S CONSENSUS THERE HAS TO BE A VOTE. TO AGREE TO HAVE THE MAYOR'S SIGN 11. WE WEREN'T COMING BACK THE LETTER THAT THIS WOULD BE DRAFTED. WE'LL BRING THE DRAFT LETTER BACK TO YOU FOR APPROVAL. YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS COME ON, VICE FAIR THAT RESULT CEPT FOR EVERYONE. PLEASE HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING. THANK YOU AND I START MY COMMENTS WITH THE SAME TYPE OF THANKSGIVING AND THANKS AGAIN TO. MISS WASHINGTON, HER TEAM AND ALL THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO CAME OUT. THAT AND SOMETIMES THERE'S SO MANY WONDERFUL THINGS THAT ARE COMMUNITY MEMBERS DO AND I KNOW THAT IT WOULD SEEM LIKE WERE GIVEN AWARDS AND COME INDICATIONS TO PEOPLE. TIME AFTER TIME AND YEAR AFTER YEAR, BUT SOMETIMES WE NEVER DO ANYTHING AND WE NEVER RECOGNIZED THEM. SO I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A THING. WHERE WERE WE RECOGNIZE? OR ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR THE CITY? BUT SOMETIMES WE'VE HAD COVID AND EVERYTHING, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE WHEN WE HAVE REALLY COMMUNITY GROUPS.WHETHER IT'S THOSE WHO HELPED WORK WITH THE HOMELESS AND OTHER GROUPS THAT REALLY GET OUT THERE. THE STUART MAIN STREET, OTHER PEOPLE. GET OUT THERE AND REALLY MAKE OUR COMMUNITY SHINE AND WE PROBABLY JUST NEED TO FIND A WAY TO THANK THEM UNTIL LET THEM KNOW THAT WE APPRECIATE ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY DO OUR RIVERS COALITIONS THAT MEETS HERE. ALL THE TIME. THEY REALLY PEOPLE ARE JUST WORKING HARD AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND GROUPS. SO UM, WE REALLY JUST APPRECIATE THEM AND I DON'T KNOW. HOW WE CAN DO THAT. MAYBE EVERY QUARTER WE CAN PICK. THREE OR FOUR GROUPS AND JUST SEND THEM A LETTER AND TELL THEM THANKS BECAUSE THEY REALLY DO A LOT TO LET OUR CITIZENS SHINE WITH THAT REGARD. I MUST SAY THAT I PERSONALLY WANT TO THANK MS. I'M GOING TO SAY IT WRONG AGAIN AGAIN. THIS SERVED US AND HER TEAM AND ALL OF OUR TEAM OF THE CITY OF STEWART FOR HELPING ME AS A MAYOR, WHO HAD ASKED FOR TOWN HALL MEETING ON NOVEMBER.
16 TO GET THIS MEETING GOING AND TO HAVE THE. THEY THEY? I THINK I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE THAT IT WAS SUCCESSFUL, AND I THINK AS THE MAYOR, ASSESSING AND BEING IN CHARGE OF THE MEETING AND GET IN THE INPUT, AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE WENT UP AND TALKED TO STAFF AFTERWARDS. AS ONE OF THANK OR CITY MANAGER FOR HIS LEADERSHIP, MR. CROSS SKI AND HIS TEAM AT THE 10TH STREET. I DON'T KNOW I'M JUST GOING TO ASK EVERYBODY. IT'S JUST GIVE THE 10 STREET RECREATION CENTER JUST A ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR EVERYTHING THAT MR REDSTONE AND ALL THESE PEOPLE DO THERE. AND OF COURSE, MR FREEMAN, AND EVERYBODY ELSE JUST GOES WITHOUT JUST GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT THERE'S JUST SO MANY THINGS THAT OUR STAFF PULLED TOGETHER AND REALLY MAKE TEAMWORK. AND I KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IN THE STEWART, THEY'RE LOOKING. UM THEY'RE PROBABLY THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTED ON THE NINTH WHEN THE FORM BASED CODE HERE IN HIS THERE, I'M HOPING THAT WILL STILL CONTINUE TO HAVE GOOD INPUT AND WILL CONTINUE TO LET THIS NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY GET THEIR EXPRESSIONS OUT WITH REGARD TO KEEPING THE NEIGHBORHOOD STRONG AND KEEPING THE IDENTITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD STRONG AND GET IN. AH REDEVELOPMENT IN THERE AS WELL AS OUR BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT THAT WE ARE WORKING ON SOUL WHATEVER WE CAN DO SO THE MANAGER TO KEEP THE COMMUNICATION GOING AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS UP, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. MR MARTEL. MR FREEMAN. I KNOW THIS HAS PROBABLY BEEN GOING AROUND FOR SOME TIME. IS THIS LETTER FROM THE D E O ABOUT? I THINK IT'S ABOUT THE. REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAD TO ADOPT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THAT'S UM. YES I BELIEVE. I BELIEVE THAT ONE. IS THAT THE APPROVAL TO FINAL APPROVAL NOTICE? MR MARTEL RESPONDED TO YOU ON THAT. I THINK MISS THE MAYOR IS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT A SECOND CEO. SECOND ONE THEN. OKAY THAT WASN'T ON THE PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT IT WAS ON ANOTHER MATTER. I EMAILED YOU BACK ON THE ANNEXATION. OKAY I WANTED IT WAS IT WAS THE CONSERVATION ANNEXATION. JUST LISTEN. OKAY SO, YES, WE'RE ON OUR WAY WITH THAT. SO THAT'S FINALIZED. RESPONDING WITH THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M SO GLAD THAT COMMISSIONER BRUNO DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, BECAUSE I WANTED TO DO SOMETHING THAT SHE'S DONE SEVERAL TIMES. AND THIS IS JUST A LITTLE ARTICLE FROM THE PAPER. IT WAS AN OPINION IN THE PAPER. AND IT TALKS ABOUT EARNING LIONS AND HOW WE BECAME THE SELFISH CAPITAL AND ABOUT THIS CONCURRENCE THAT HAPPENED IN 1938 WHEN THE FISH WAS RUNNING SO HIGH AND THEN EARNED ALLIANCE IS A WRITER FOR AND THEN THEY. THE SKIPPER'S FOR THE SHIP THE
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BOATS WHEN THEY WERE SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT, AND ERNIE IS LIKE, WELL, THIS IS IT. SOMEBODY SAID, THIS MUST BE THE SELFISH CAPITAL OF THE WORLD, AND HE TOOK THAT AND WENT WITH IT, AND THAT'S HOW WE HAVE FALLEN STEWART. BEING CALLED THE SAMPRAS SKIP. BECKY COMES IN WITH ALL THESE LITTLE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES ALL THE TIME. AND WHEN SHE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING I SAID, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SO I GOT A CHANCE TO BRING UP A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE. SO THIS WAS ACTUALLY, UM. ARTICLE IN TODAY'S NEWSPAPER BY KILLER AND IT SAYS BILL BILLFISH BE THERE AND IT'S JUST A LITTLE, UM, ARTICLE AND IT JUST MENTIONS OUR SELFISH CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. AND HOW THAT CAME ABOUT WITH ERNIE LYONS AND. IT SAYS IT WAS MIAMI HERALD ARTICLE AT THE TIME. YOU MAY AS WELL CALL THAT PLACE DO YOU WORK THE SELFISH CAPITAL OF THE WORL? THE MIAMI HERALD WRITER PINNED IN HIS PEN IN HIS COLUMN AND EARN A LINES JUMPED ON THAT AND THAT'S HOW WE. HAD HER NAME, SO ANYBODY WANTS TO READ IT. THAT'S A GOOD THING AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING YOUR LITTLE TIDBITS. MISS BRUNO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT, UM. UM ALSO, I WANTED TO JUST, UM SAY THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT, UM. HAVE HAPPENED DURING THIS PAST YEAR, AND WE REALLY JUST WANT TO BE AGAIN SO THANKFUL, SO GRATEFUL. FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED WAS THAT I HAD, UM, ASKING. THE COMMISSION AGREED TO HAVE THE FIRST EVER CELEBRATION OF OUR STATE OF FLORIDA. UM ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE EMANCIPATION TIME IN FLORIDA.NOT JUST THE LAST TIME THAT WE HAD SLAVES IN THE UNITED STATES, BUT WHEN IT WAS ANNOUNCED IN TALLAHASSEE. ON MAY THE 20TH 18 65, AND AT THAT TIME WE HAD A CELEBRATION EARLIER ON THE SPRING, PROBABLY ONE OF OUR FIRST LITTLE OUTDOOR CELEBRATIONS, EVEN THOUGH WE WERE STILL IN COVID. EVERYBODY WENT ALONG, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE INPUT AND PARTICIPATION. AND I DID GIVE OUT PLAQUES. BUT THEN SOME PEOPLE WEREN'T AVAILABLE AND I HELD THEM AND THEN I DECIDED TO MAKE SOME OF THEM. UM. LAMINATED BECAUSE I WAS HOLDING ON THEM FOR SO LONG, AND I'M STILL HOLDING ON TO THEM. SO I'M GOING TO ASK IF I DON'T KNOW. I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE HEAVY MEETING. BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO TOO MUCH. ALL I WANT TO DO FUN COULD ASK THESE PEOPLE TO COME OUT ON. THE 13TH AND ALLOWED YOU JUST CALL THEIR NAMES AND GIVE THEM THEIR PLAQUE AND MAYBE HAVE A PICTURE. IF THE COMMISSION AND OUR CLERK WOULD ALLOW THAT ON OUR CALENDAR, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. FOR THE 13TH AND IT WILL NOT TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME FOR OUR MEETING ON THE 13TH. OKAY I KNOW THAT IT'S KIND OF LATE IN THE GAME, BUT I'M JUST PRAYING THAT IT WILL WORK HARD AND WE'LL HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL AROUND. UM I APPRECIATE THAT. UH I THINK THAT IS IT FOR MY COMMENTS AND CINNAMON INJURE. ALL RIGHT. IT'S TIME FOR MY OUR.
YEAH NO THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE EAGLE SCOUT. 60 MINUTES, THREE MINUTES. YEAH OKAY, FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS AND I'LL HAVE MR PICKETT PUT THIS ON ALL OF YOUR CALENDARS. THIS FRIDAY IS THE TREE LIGHTING. EVENT STARTS AT FOUR, BUT I BELIEVE THE LIGHT IS GONNA BE A SIX. BUT WE WILL CONFIRM THAT MAKE SURE YOU KNOW DECEMBER THAT'S THIS FRIDAY. THIS RIGHT THIS COMING FRIDAY IS THE 26TH. DECEMBER 7TH IS THE WATER SUPPLY GROUNDBREAKING EVENT OVER AT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT ON 10TH STREET. THAT'S AT ONE O'CLOCK. ON DECEMBER. 3RD IS CHRISTMAS PARADE. OF COURSE, DECEMBER 10TH IS SANTA'S CITY LIGHTS. THAT'S THE. REALTORS ASSOCIATION, THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTS AND MEMORIAL PARK AND THEN DECEMBER 18TH IS MIRACLE ON 10TH STREET OVER ANY STEWART WHERE THE SOCCER FIELD AREAS THAT. BUT AGAIN, I'LL HAVE A MISTAKE AND PUT THAT ON ALL OF YOUR CALENDAR CITY CALENDAR SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION. UM. WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY EXPLORING OTHER SOFTWARE AVENUES TO INCLUDE OUR AGENDA SOFTWARE THAT WE USE. WE'VE BEEN HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH THAT. AS WELL AS THE CITY'S ER P CITYWIDE SOFTWARE THAT DOES ALL OF OUR FINANCE OUR BUDGETING OR CUSTOMER SERVICE. ALL OF THAT STUFF WE'VE HAD. HORRIBLE TIME WITH AN UPGRADE PROCESS WITH OUR CURRENT VENDOR WE'VE HAD FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. AND WHEN JOLIE, WHO. LOVES THE COMPANY BECAUSE HE'S WAS LIKE I AM AND KNOWS HOW TO LIKE. DO A LITTLE TWEAKS AND TORQUES OF ALL THE SOFTWARE SAYS WE HAVE TO
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LEAVE IT. THERE IS A SERIOUS ISSUE THERE. SO WE'VE BEEN EVALUATING OTHER SOFTWARE COMPANIES TO MOVE TO SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THE BEST CUSTOMER SERVICE THAT WE CAN TO OUR COMMUNITY. UM YOU MAY HAVE READ IN THE NEWSPAPER AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE NEW ROOSEVELT BRIDGE.I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAD PHONE CALLS ON THAT AND AS WELL AS I DID. FROM THE FROM THE NEWS ARTICLE, WRITER AND. FROM MY INTERACTIONS AND CONVERSATIONS WITH F DOT THEY ARE DOING A LOT OF MITIGATION WORK ON THE BRIDGE TO LESSON AS MUCH CORROSIVE NOUS AS POSSIBLE AND TO STOP OR SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS. THERE IS ALSO A VERY HARD TO FIND MONITORING SYSTEM THAT'S NOW IN PLACE ON THE INSIDE OF THE BRIDGE TO MONITOR THAT. CORROSION AND ANY ACTIVITY THAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THE BRIDGE, AND I JUST HAVE TO HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE THAT THE F DOT ENGINEERS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND KNOW HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE ON CORROSION. UM THE I WANTED TO TALK TO THE COMMISSION AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON CONTINUING OUR ZOOM AT EVERY MEETING. WE HAVE VERY RARELY HAVE PEOPLE ON THE ZOOM AND OTHER OTHER BOARDS, NOT THE COMMISSION BOARD. THE OTHER BOARDS THERE'S LIKE, NEVER ANYBODY ON THEM. AND OUR. VIDEO FEED THAT WE HAVE IS MUCH HIGHER DEFINITION, THEN THE ZUMA'S, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON CONTINUING OR STOPPING THE USAGE OF ZOOM. I'M READY TO MOVE ON. I AGREE, STOPPING. 70 COMMENTS ON IT. IS IT JUST BECAUSE OF VIDEO FEED. NO IT'S JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NO PARTICIPATION BECAUSE IT WAS CONVENIENT. YEAH I MEAN, IT IS. IT IS ONE MORE WAY FOR THE PUBLIC TO GET INVOLVED. UM. YOU KNOW, I DO LIKE I DO LIKE THAT IT PROVIDES. THE ABILITY FOR SOME PEOPLE WHO CAN'T BE HERE PHYSICALLY TO PARTICIPATE. YOU KNOW? IT'S I MEAN, DOES IT. I DON'T COST US A LOT COST STORES. I MEAN, THERE'S A CLASS, BUT IT'S NOMINAL. I MEAN, IT'S. IT'S OUR CITY ACCOUNT, SO IT'S PHENOMENAL DEAL. I JUST FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW, I THINK. I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE A STEP BACKWARD TO PULL IT. I KNOW WE DID IT FOR COVID. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE. ALL SORT OF MOVING MORE IN THIS DIRECTION OF BEING OF BEING MORE OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE MORE.
TRANSPARENT. MORE. TECHNOLOGY ORIENTED AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT. YOU KNOW. LOOK WHO WE'VE GOT HERE. WE'VE GOT OUR PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE EVERY EVERY TIME AND I DO LIKE THAT PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO HAVE AN OPTION TO COME IN AND AT LEAST WATCH AND THEN PROVIDE INPUT IF THEY NEED TO.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO PHYSICALLY BE HERE. SO. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T SEE TOO MUCH OF A DETRIMENT IF THE COST IS NOMINAL TO HAVING IT AT LEAST AT LEAST UNTIL WE MOVE. WELL PAST COVID. AND I SAY THAT KNOCKING ON WOOD, BUT, YOU KNOW. I AM EQUATE WHERE WE ARE NOW TO WHERE WE WERE LAST JUNE OR JULY, AND THEN A SPIKE HAPPENED AND YOU KNOW A LOT OF BOARDS THAT I PARTICIPATE IN. ARE STILL AT TIMES. VIRTUAL. YEAH. SO IF THERE'S NOT A MAJOR COST, I DON'T SEE THE DETRIMENT. AND I JUST I JUST ASK THAT YOU NOT COMPLAIN WHEN THE PERSON GOES, GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOU DON'T HEAR THEM WHERE THEY'RE STATIC IN BETWEEN OR WHATEVER. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN CONTROL. I NEVER HAD. SEE. AND I'M THINKING OF COMMISSIONER MEYER. UM WHAT HE SAID, BECAUSE.
UHH MAYBE MIGHT EVEN BE A GOOD THING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW SO THAT THERE'S MORE AVENUES FOR THEM TO COMMENT. OF COURSE, YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND ALL NIGHT WITH EVERYBODY CALLING IN FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH. IT IS ANOTHER WAY FOR PEOPLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH US AND. MAYBE THEY SHOULD KNOW. MAYBE PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT, UM. WERE AVAILABLE BY ZOOM, ALTHOUGH, UNLESS THEY GO TO THE AGENDA ITEM AND SEE IT, I THINK. WE'RE SAYING UNTIL WELL, WE'RE WAY PAST COVID. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. COVID IS GOING TO BE WITH US LIKE THE COMMON COLD IS WITH US AT SOME POINT IN TIME, UM SHOULD WE SAY UNTIL. NEXT YEAR OR JUNE OR JULY OR SOMETHING. SIX MORE MONTHS OR IS THERE A TIME FRAME OR WHY DON'T WE REEVALUATE EVERY. EVERY SIX MONTHS. I'M THE CITY MANAGER BRINGS IT UP. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PLAN. I'M HAPPY TO KEEP KEEP IT GOING. I THINK WE'RE ULTIMATELY I THINK. WE'RE ONLY GOING TO CONTINUE MOVING MORE IN
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THAT DIRECTION. I REALIZED I THINK THAT MORE MORE ACCESSIBILITY IS ALWAYS BETTER.CAN I STAY HOME AND THAT'S WHY WE GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS BACK. YOU LOVE THAT. ACTUALLY MR MARTEL, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US THERE THAT REASON BECAUSE I KNOW THAT DURING THE EMERGENCY WE SOME BOARDS COULD DO THAT. BUT JUST EXPLAIN THAT TO US, PLEASE. YOU GUYS SET THE POLICY. THE REALITY IS, IS THAT HISTORICALLY THE CITY COMMISSION. IN ITS CHARTER AND THE CHARTER REVIEW EVERY 10 YEARS, AND THE BOARD HAS BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF ALLOWING APPEARANCE BY BOTH PHONE AND OR VIDEO. UM IN THE PAST, IT WAS BY PHONE AND THE CHARTER ADVISORY COMMITTEE ADVISED AGAINST IT SAID THEY WANTED THE COMMISSIONERS IN PERSON THIS YEAR. THE CHARTER ADVISORY COMMITTEE. LAST YEAR, THE TREASURY ADVISORY COMMITTEE AGAIN BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF ATTENDANCE AT MEETINGS BY DIGITAL MEANS OR REMOTE MEETINGS. AND AGAIN THE CHARTER ADVISOR COMMITTEE, WHICH IS PUBLIC RESIDENTS RECOMMENDED AGAINST IT AND SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT THE COMMISSION TO ALTER IT TO ALLOW FOR IT, AND THE COMMISSION AGAIN TOOK IT UP AND CHOSE TO HAVE A CHARTER RESTRICTION THAT MANDATES THE COMMISSIONERS BE PRESENT SO THAT IF A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY WANTS TO COME AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION THEY KNOW WHERE TO FIND YOU. SORRY, BECKY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IS THAT IT'S CINNAMON. LASTLY I'D LIKE TO ASK MR MARTEL JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON WHAT OCCURRED WITH THE HEARING. THE FIRST HEARING WAS 14 HOURS, SO I FIGURED 10. UM ACTUALLY, THE DOHA HEARING IS DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATIVE. OFFICES OR THAT IT WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING REGARDING THE CITY'S FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT. THE CHALLENGE WAS THAT THE CITY DID NOT HAVE. BE PROFESSIONALLY ACCEPTABLE DATA.
AND FAILED TO ANALYZE THE DATA AND REACT APPROPRIATELY IS A DIFFICULT BURDEN FOR THE PETITIONER TO OVERCOME. THE HEARING LASTED. SCHEDULED FOR THREE DAYS. IT ENDED UP LASTING TWO FULL DAYS, MYSELF AND THE OTHER ATTORNEYS WERE ABLE TO STIPULATE TO SOME FACTS THAT CUT SOME TIME OUT OF THE HEARING. PRESENTATION WENT WELL. AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, THE ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGE REQUESTED REQUESTED ORDERED. THAT THE COURT REPORTER PROVIDED TRANSCRIPT OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE ROMNEY PROVISIONS OF THE ONCE THE TRANSCRIPT IS PROVIDED.
BOTH SIDES THAT IS MYSELF AND THE OTHER LAWYERS HAVE 15 DAYS FROM THAT DATE TO FILE ARE PROPOSED FINAL JUDGMENTS. THAT IS WHAT WE BELIEVE THE JUDGE'S RULING SHOULD REFLECT. AND THEN.
WITHIN APPROXIMATELY 30 DAYS FROM THAT DATE, THE JUDGE HAS STATED THAT SHE WILL ENTER HER RULING. THE COURT REPORTER ASKED THE JUDGE IF SHE COULD HAVE UNTIL AFTER THE HOLIDAYS TO PREVENT TO PROVIDE THE TRANSCRIPT. THE ANSWER WAS YES. THAT'S AN OPEN END. I MEAN, IT'S AFTER THE HOLIDAYS AFTER THANKSGIVING IS THAT AFTER CHRISTMAS, IS IT AFTER NEW YEAR'S? DOES IT INCLUDE VALENTINE'S DAY? MY BIRTHDAY'S JANUARY MERITS. BIRTHDAY IS THE HOLIDAYS. SO AND AGAIN, THE I KNOW THE COURT REPORTER. SHE'S A VERY PROFESSIONAL REPORTER, AND SHE HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY TIMELY, SO I'M SURE SHE'LL GET IT DONE AS SOON AS SHE CAN. AND THEN AS SOON AS THE, UM WE SUBMIT OUR PROPOSED ORDERS AND THEN THE JUDGE. SUBMIT HER. ORDER THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 15 DAYS THAT ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO FILE A CHALLENGER. A QUESTION IS TO THE FINDINGS OF FACT BY THE ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGE. TO CLARIFY THE ORDER. CAN FILE THAT. AND THEN AFTER THAT 15 DAYS EXPIRES, IT WOULD BE SUBMITTED. FOR FINAL ENTRY BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. AT WHICH TIME IT WOULD THEN BECOME A FINAL ORDER. HONESTLY IN THE LAST WEEK. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME WHAT THAT MEANS. AND MY TAKE ON IT IS THAT JUST AFTER THE HOLIDAYS I JUST PICKED JANUARY 5TH. LET'S SAY WE GET THE RIB. THE TRANSCRIPT AND ON OR ABOUT JANUARY 5TH 15 DAYS FROM THAT IS JANUARY 20TH. 30 DAYS FROM THAT IS FEBRUARY 20TH 15 DAYS FROM THAT IS MARCH 5TH. MY GUESS IS. RULING WILL BE SOMETIME IN MARCH. NOW FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. IF. TOMORROW I WALK INTO THE OFFICE AND THE COURT REPORTER HAS EMAILED OVER THE TRANSCRIPTS. 15 DAYS STARTS TOMORROW. I DOUBT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT THAT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S A MOVING TARGET. THANK YOU. OKAY FOR THE TRANSCRIPT WE DO OR HALF AND HALF. WE'RE SPLITTING
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IT EQUALLY. THANK YOU. IT'S QUITE A LONG TRANSCRIPT. WELL, ACTUALLY. THE TRANSCRIPT IS NOT THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE 14 HOUR HEARING. TRANSCRIPT THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT IS THE TRANSCRIPT FROM THE TWO DAYS OF THE TESTIMONY OF THE WITNESSES, SO WHEN SHE'S DOING HER ORDER. BUT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, ONE OF THE EXHIBITS ENTERED INTO THE HEARING ITSELF THAT'S ALREADY BEEN UPLOADED TO THE JUDGE. IS THE TWO DIFFERENT TRANSCRIPTS OF THE TWO DIFFERENT HEARINGS, WHICH. COMMISSIONER MY AREAS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IS VERY LONG READING THEIR THICK. AND LONG BECAUSE THE SEVEN HOURS OF STRAIGHT TESTIMONY WAS A LONG TIME. VERY EXPENSIVE. YEAH SO FIT. SO 15 DAYS FROM FROM TRANSCRIPT, ARE YOU. DO YOU HAVE ALL THE RESOURCES YOU NEED? YEAH I DO. AND YOU KNOW, I'VE ALREADY STARTED KIND OF DRAFTING BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT AND TO GET THE TRANSCRIPT TO START PUTTING TOGETHER BECAUSE I REMEMBER EVERYTHING. I'M FRESH RIGHT NOW.MY THOUGHT IS GETTING KIND OF TOGETHER. AND THEN, WHEN THE TRANSCRIPT COMES IN, USE THE TRANSCRIPT TO SUPPLEMENT AND DO FOOTNOTES AND REFERENCES THAT PORTIONS OF THE TESTIMONY AND YOU KNOW FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH IT. THERE'S NO MAGIC HERE. I'M SURE THE OTHER SIDE'S GOING TO BEFORE THE HEARING. I ACTUALLY READ EVERY SINGLE RULING THIS JUDGE HAD ENTERED IN A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT CASE AND I HAVE. SEVERAL OF HER RULINGS IN MY OFFICE, SO MY PROPOSED ORDER IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO FOLLOW HER PATTERN OF PRIOR ORDERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SEE THE MANAGER, SPEAKING OF DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S ALL. THAT'S IT, OKAY? ALL RIGHT. SO UM, LET'S LET'S MOVE ON TO
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THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AS PUBLISHED OR IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE ADDED. MOVED BY THE COMMISSIONER MARS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MCDONALD ALL IN FAVOR BY THEIR AGENDA HAS BEEN APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. AT THIS TIME WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THREE MINUTES. AND MAYBE IT'S A[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (3 Minutes Max.)]
RECORD, BUT I DON'T HAVE A GREE. OH IT'S NOT A RECORDS SHOW ASKED ME, YEAH. MAKING UP FOR LOST TIME. YEAH NO HEAVEN, THE EAGLE SCOUT HERE TONIGHT, AND, UM AND. THE PROPERTY OF THE WORK. WE'VE HAD TWO PROJECTS MY NEIGHBORHOOD BY EAGLE SCOUT AT THE END OF 10TH STREET AND AT THE END OF SEVENTH STREET. YES, BOTH PIECES OF PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY'S STEWART. IT IT'S DEAD END ROADS, PAPER STREETS AND THINGS TO COME BACK WHEN. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT. LIKE THE YOUNG SCOUT ASKED YOU. MAYBE THE CITY. BEST FRIEND. MR LEGGETT COULD HELP THEM. THERE HAS TO BE OTHER DEAD END STREETS. THAT WE COULD HAVE PART BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THE PARK. SEVEN CONTENT IS WELL USED BECAUSE IT'S A CUT THROUGH TO GET TO THE LIBRARY, THE STORES AND THAT AND THE MOTHER'S BICYCLES. SEE A LOT OF BIKES, AND THEN THEY CUT THROUGH AN INTENSE EVEN THE RUNNER. USE IT.THAT SO IT'S JUST MY SUGGESTION TO THE NEXT TIME YOU GET IN EAGLE SCALP. THINK OF, YOU KNOW.
GEORGIAN THEY WENT TO HIM. HE COULD FIGURE OUT WELL, YEAH, WE GOT THIS STREET. HEAR THAT, AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY IT THING. I WILL SAY THIS, UH, OUR CITY ATTORNEY, MICHAEL. MAKE MY HOTEL AND. KEVIN FREEMAN DID EXCELLEN. EXCELLENT I WAS VERY PROUD OF BOTH OF THEM AS A TAXPAYER.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MIKE. YOU GOT THAT COMPLEMENT AFTER OUT OF HER AFTER ALL FOR THAT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW SHE'S GONNA INCLUDE KEVIN. HE HAS TO SPLIT IT WITH ME NOW. YOU HAVE SERVED YOURS SERVED YOURSELF WELL, RESPECT BRIDE ARE THERE AND IT SHOULD. THIS IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? MR PAUL, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE ON THE ZOOM. THANK YOU SO MUCH. CAN WE ASK? HOW MANY DO WE HAVE WATCHING THIS SOON? YES, WELL, YES. SEE? YEAH, OK. THANK YOU. THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING ON ZOOM, GET 10 OF THE PEOPLE TO ZOOM
[CONSENT CALENDAR]
INTO THAT WE CAN. I'M SORRY. OKAY SO WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETINGS FROM NOVEMBER THE 8TH 2021. MOTION TO APPROVE. THERE'S A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR SECONDED BY COMMISSION MCDONALD UM. DO WE NEED ALL IN FAVOR? YOU NEED A VOICE WON'T ALL IN FAVORS ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THE. CONSENT CALENDAR, INCLUDING THE MINUTES UM, FROM NOVEMBER, 8[01:25:09]
2021 HAS BEEN APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY BY VOICE WON'T WE HAVE NO OTHER ITEMS ON THE[4.
THREE HOUR PARKING DISTRICT CHANGE (RC):
ORDINANCE No. 2477-2021; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA; AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AT CHAPTER 40 ARTICLE II, SEC. 40-43; PROVIDING FOR A REVISION/AMENDMENT TO THE 3 HOUR DOWNTOWN PARKING DISTRICT; PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCE IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
]CONSENT AGENDA? WE HAVE NO ORDINANCES FOR SECOND REGION. I THINK WE HAVE TWO ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER. TURNED IMMORTAL. ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 77 2021.
ORDINANCE 24 77 2021 ORDINANCE TO THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AT CHAPTER 40. ARTICLE TWO SECTION 42 43 PROVIDING FOR A REVISION SLASH AMENDMENT. TO THE THREE HOUR DOWNTOWN PARKING DISTRICT, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION WRITING FOR SEVERABILITY. PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM UM, SECOND MANAGER. I'VE TAKEN A NEW ROLE. NO I JUST WANTED TO COME BRING MY EMAIL UP SO I COULD BRING THE VISUAL UP AS TO THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR ADDING TO THE THREE HOUR PARKING DISTRICT. ALL OF THE PARKING SPACES FROM THAT RED LINE ON FLAG GIRL BACK TO ST LUCIE WOULD STILL MAY REMAIN OPEN PARKING WITH NO LIMITATIONS ON TIME. THIS PARTICULAR AREA WAS CONTEMPLATED WHEN WE WERE HAVING THE LEAST DISCUSSIONS WITH HUDSON'S AND THE PARKING SPACES THERE ARE STILL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND OPEN TO USE IT JUST TURNS OVER THE SPACES QUICKER. LITTLE BEAR. YES. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. DAVID AND 22 THINGS ONE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS AND ONE THAT DOES IT. I JUST WANT TO BRING IT UP IN THIS DISCUSSION FOR MAYBE A FUTURE DISCUSSION, BUT. IS WE SHOULD INVITE. ONCE WE APPROVED THIS. WE SHOULD MAKE SURE WE GIVE NOTICE OVER TO THE SAILORS RETURN BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THEIR EMPLOYEES PARK OVER THERE AND WALK UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE.
OVER THAT THEY KNOW. THAT THEY DON'T ALL OF A SUDDEN GET SURPRISED WITH A TICKET WHEN THEY COME HOME WHEN THEY COME OUT OF WORK ONE DAY SO IT MAY BE DUE WARNINGS FOR THE FIRST MONTH. BOB'S GOING TO YELL AT ME. WHAT'S THAT? BOB'S GONNA YELL AT ME? I AM. YEAH OKAY, SO GIVE ME SOMETHING NEW. YEAH RIGHT. SECOND THING IS, AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH DAVID ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES. THIS IS NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS, BUT MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT IT HERE OR BRING IT BACK. UM I'VE GOT A COUPLE PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED TO ME ONE IN PARTICULAR PERSON. WE USED TO HAVE A RULE IN THE DOWNTOWN AND OSCEOLA STREET REGARDING PARKING THAT TRUCKS COULD LARGE TRUCKS COULD ONLY PARK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET. AND WHEN WE REDID THE ROAD IN 2018 ADJUSTED THE DIMENSIONS A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE ROAD IS STILL THE SAME WITH WHAT HAPPENS IS IF YOU GET TOO BIG PICKUP TRUCKS PARKED. RELATIVELY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET DOWN THE STREET. AND. IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO ADD IT TO THIS ORDINANCE TO PUT. THE TRUCK'S BACK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET. THAT'D BE GREAT. IF NOT, I'D LIKE TO BRING IT BACK FOR ANOTHER PREVIOUSLY WASN'T PART OF AN ORDINANCE WAS A POLICY DECISION, AND IT WAS JUST CHANGED WHEN THEY APPROVED THE. STREETSCAPE CHANGING DOWNTOWN. HOW. HOW DO WE? HOW WAS IT COMMUNICATED THROUGHOUT THE IF YOU WERE JUST DRIVING A LARGE JUST ON THIS ONE SECTION OF OSCEOLA BETWEEN ST LUCIE AND OBTAIN THE CIRCLE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE. WAS THERE A SIGN OR WAS IT REALLY CONVEYED ON A SIGN THAT SAID THAT AND. AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT I BET MILTON STILL HAS THEM. YEAH YEA, YEAH, UNDER HIS PILLAGERS USED TO HAVE USED TO SAY, BASICALLY, HE TRUCK, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER? YEAH AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IS. AND I'VE EXPERIENCED IT. NOT THAT OFTEN, BUT A COUPLE TIMES WHERE YOU JUST GET TWO OF THOSE BIG FOUR WHEEL DRIVE, FOUR DOOR DIESEL PICKUP TRUCKS AND THEIR PARKING RELATIVELY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER AND OPPOSITE SIDES. IT GETS REALLY NARROW. OH AND I'M ACTUALLY SURPRISED WE HAVEN'T ANYBODY HIT ONE. UM BUT, UM, BUT I HAVE GET AND AGAIN. I HAVE ONE PERSON IN PARTICULAR THAT JEWS ON ME QUITE A BIT AND A COUPLE.
OTHER PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED IT TO ME. SO UM, HOWEVER, WE CAN GET THAT I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS, BUT AND IF WE CAN EDIT TO THE ORDINANCE OR JUST DO IT AS A POLICY DECISION, WHATEVER THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR HERE, COMMISSIONER AND THERE'S NO NO LOOKING BACK TO OSCEOLA. AGAIN.
I THINK IT MIGHT. WE MIGHT NEED TO DO IT AS A SEPARATE ACTION, BUT, UH SO I'M JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO PROVE THIS. BUT IF IT'S A POLICY DECISION, IF YOU INCLUDED IN YOUR MOTION, IT DOESN'T DOES NOT GOING TO NEED A SEPARATE LIKE IN THE CODE BECAUSE THERE'S A CODE SECTION THAT COVERS TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES. PARDON THERE'S A SECTION OF THE CODE THAT COVERS TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, SO EVERY TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE ISN'T LAID OUT IN CODE. OKAY JUST SAID LIKE I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO IMPLEMENT TEMPORARY TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES. AND
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WITH YOU WITH YOUR AUTHORIZATION THAT CAN BECOME PERMANENT. OKAY SO IF YOU INCLUDED IN YOUR MOTION, WE CAN ADD THE SIGN WHICH THEN BECOMES THE TRAFFIC CONTROL, INCLUDING MY MOTION THAT WE ARE. THE THREE HOUR PARKING IS REQUESTED AS STAFF RECOMMENDS. AND THAT WE. PUT THE SIGNS UP TO HAVE PARK LARGE TRUCK PARKING JUST ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET BETWEEN ST LUCIE AND HANDY CIRCLE. SECOND I'LL SECOND BOAT, SO WE ALREADY HAVE SIGNS. WHO HAS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE REGARDING. THAT ISSUE. WE HAD SIGNS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE STILL HAVE THEM OR NOT. ALL RIGHT, SO THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM GOING BACK TO THAT FOLKS FROM SAILORS RETURNED PARKING. ON THIS SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACK. AND, OF COURSE, WHEN HUDSON COMES IN AND SO ON. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG BEFORE WE MOVE TO WORLD SPORT OR WHAT'S HAPPENING, BUT I KNOW THAT CITY MANAGER HAD MENTIONED TO US THAT WOULD HAVE THAT TRAWL ASSIST. UM. AND I THINK WE NEED TO TRY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO ACCOMMODATE AND TO NOT CREATE TOO MANY HARDSHIPS. SO AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE EXTRA PARKING ALSO, UH AND NOT HAVE TO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE WHEN WE HAVE THE THREE HOUR AND PUT IN SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE MIGHT, UM. GET ZAPPED DURING THAT TIMEFRAME. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN PROBABLY WORK WITH THESE? UM. PERSONS AND LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE WORLD, SPARGO AND IF THEY CAN TAKE THE CHARLIE QUICKLY, THEY COULD STILL WALK BACK OVER BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A DIRECT CHARLIE WATTS RIGHT FROM ONCE FORGOT TO WEAR ALL THE SERVICE BEHIND THE CIRCLE. TRAM STOP AND THERE'S OTHER TRAM STOP THERE THAT YOU CAN PICK UP AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. OKAY, BUT FOR THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO SAILORS RETURN THOSE EMPLOYEES ALSO GOT TO DO IS COME FURTHER UP AND NOT IN A CIRCLE AND THEY COULD STILL PART BECAUSE THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF PARKING DOWN HERE. THAT'S NOT TIME LIMITED BASKETBALL. WELL LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU KNOW OF THOSE CHANGES AND WHAT'S HAPPENING? OKAY SO THERE'S A MOTION IN THE SECOND. IS THERE ANY ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS DISCUSSION? BEFORE I MOVED TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. CAN WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMING AND ORDINANCE NUMBER? 24 77? THAT'S 2021.UNLESS MR FREEMAN HAS SOME OTHER PRESENTATION, HE'S LINING UP FOR THE NEXT ONE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
SO, UM. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE MOTION TO SECOND WAS THEIR SECOND ON THIS MOTION. I THANK YOU. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. IS EVERYBODY AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING INSANE? YES UM, CITY CLERKS? YES I'M JUST MAKING SURE THE CLERK COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. WORK. VICE MAYOR MATHESON. YES MAYOR CLARKE. YES BRUNER? YES MR MEYER? YES COMMISSIONER. MCDONALD YES.
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ABANDONMENT OF A PORTION RIGHT-OF-WAY BETWEEN S.E. 5TH STREET AND S.E. STYPMANN BOULEVARD (RC):
ORDINANCE No. 2476-2021; A ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE ABANDONMENT OF A CERTAIN RIGHT-OF-WAY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, BEING THAT PORTION OF LAND, WHICH LIES BETWEEN S.E. 5TH STREET AND S.E. STYPMANN BOULEVARD, WHICH IS MORE FULLY DEPICTED IN EXHIBIT “A” ATTACHED HERETO, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
]THANK YOU. SO MUCH. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS THE ABANDONMENT OF A PORTION OF THE RIGHT AWAY BETWEEN. SOUTH EAST FIFTH STREET AND SOUTHEAST. STATEMENT BULLET BOARD ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 7 6-2021, MR MARTEL. ORDINANCE 24 76-2021 IN ORDER TO THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE ABANDONMENT OF A CERTAIN RIGHT AWAY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS BEING THAT PORTION OF LAND, WHICH LIES BETWEEN SOUTH EAST FIFTH STREET AND SOUTHEAST STIFFENED BOULEVARD, WHICH IS MUCH MORE FULLY DEPICTED IN EXHIBIT A ATTACHED HER TO PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. THANK YOU SO BEFORE MY SUPREME AND EVEN STARTS, THIS IS THAT PORTION THAT. RESIDENTS WERE COMPLAINING THAT ONE PERSON WAS CLEANING UP THEIR AREA, NOT CLEANING UP. THAT'S A LITTLE PORTION THERE. FROM PALM BEACH ROLLED BACK ISSUE WHERE THE PERSON HAD A SHED THAT THEY BELIEVED WAS ENCROACHING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IT'S ON AS DESCRIBED HERE STREET AND STIFFEN BOULEVARD. YEAH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL. JUST ONE HOUSEKEEPING ISSUE THAT WE SHOULD RAISE THE ORDINANCE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA NEEDS A SLIGHT AMENDMENT TO INCORPORATE A. LANGUAGE TO THE EFFECT THAT PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ABANDONMENT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE CITY SHALL RECORDER UTILITIES EASEMENT AND WILL BE AMENDING THE ORDINANCE TO INCORPORATE THAT. OKAY, MOVED TO APPROVE WITH THE WITH THE CHANGES, AS REQUESTED BY THE BY THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT. IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER MCDONALD? SECOND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BRUNER. UM ANY OTHER KIND OF COMMENTS FROM OUR COMMISSION? NO CAR. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 76 SLASH 2021 ABANDONMENT OF RIGHT AWAY BETWEEN SOUTHEAST HISTORY
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AND SOUTHEAST. STATEMENT BOULEVARD. NO COMMENTS, MR LEGANS. IS GOING TO BE OUT OF OUR JURISDICTION. THANK YOU. UM, SO THE CLERK. COMMISSIONER MEYER. YES COMMISSIONER BRUNER.YES. THANKS MAYOR MATHESON. YES CLARK? YES, HAIR MCDONALD? YES. THANK YOU. THANKS. OUR NEXT ITEM
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DEVELOPMENT DISCUSSION
]IS SOMETHING THAT WE'D ASKED THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND OUR CITY MANAGER AND STAFF TO BRING TO US REGARDING THE DISCUSSION ON HALT OR ZONA AND PROGRESS MORATORIUM. ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF STEWART, AND, UM, MR FREEMAN IS HERE TO PHRASE THE ISSUE AND PROVIDE INFORMATION TO US SO THAT WE CAN HAVE OUR DISCUSSION. MAY I? YOU ALREADY FORGOTTEN.
MADAM MAYOR. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TURN IT TO ME. YES WE JUST HAD BREAKFAST THIS MORNING. MR BRUNNER'S. DAVID, BUT I WANTED TO SPEAK NEXT. YES ABSOLUTELY, UM, THAT SO WHEN COMMISSIONER BRUNER AND HER COMMENTS OF THE LAST CONDITION MEETING SHE BEGAN, SPEAKING OF A ZONING IN PROGRESS. PORTION AND TURNED INTO A DISCOVERY CHOIR. REQUEST TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON IT. AS I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AFTER THE MEETING MORE AND MORE, UM I FELT THAT. THE ZONING AND PROGRESS COULD BE JUST THE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION AND IN THE WORKSHOP SHOULD ACTUALLY BE WHAT IT IS. WE'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING IN THE ZONING. AND SO I FELT THAT DND ON THE ITEM WOULD BE BETTER OFF TO DETERMINE IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO GO IN OR IF THERE'S SOME OTHER DIRECTION THAT THEY WANT TO GO IN. JUST A SECOND. I'M GOING TO ASK MR MARTEL TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIS OWNING AND PROGRESS AND WHAT THAT MEANS AND THE MORATORIUM AND WHAT THAT MEANS. UM I KNOW THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT THE MAYOR WANTED TO HEAR.
SO HOPEFULLY SHE'LL BE BACK BEFORE WE GET THERE. UM THIS THIS DISCUSSION REVOLVES AROUND.
INDEPENDENT DISCUSSIONS I'VE BEEN HAVING ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH WITHIN THE CITY THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENTAL APPROVA, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO RESIDENTIAL AND MR FREEMAN HAS A SHORT POWER POINT THAT SHOWS THAT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. ALONG WITH SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT'S BEEN WE HAVE BEEN DOING WITHIN THE CITY AS FAR AS BUILD OUT IS CONCERNED AND WHERE WE CURRENTLY CURRENTLY LIE IN THAT PROCESS, SO. MIKE, IF YOU WANT TO TALK REAL QUICK ABOUT WHAT ZIP IS AND WHAT A MORATORIUM IS SO. FIRST WORD. SORRY. YES, SIR. IN THE MAYOR NEED TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY? I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'D LISTEN. OKAY YEAH, SURE. BRUDER MAYBE COMMISSIONER BRUNER. WELL SO I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I'M NOT. YOU'RE THE VICE CHECK. WAITED TWO MINUTES AWAY IS GOING TO TAKE. I'VE BEEN A GREAT WE'LL WAIT FOR THE MARRIAGE RETURN A TIME OF ME. I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER. IT SLIPPED TO ONE PLEASURE OF THE BORDER. WAIT FOR THE MAYOR. I DON'T.
IT'S YOUR DISCRETION. I JUST I JUST GO AHEAD AND GO AHEAD, PLEASE. TAKE MY TIME HERE. HOLD ON. ABOUT THE C 2000 AND 7 2000 AND EIGHT OUR CITY. I. WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WE HAD GONE THROUGH A RECESSION IN THIS TOWN. AND IF YOU WERE SO MANY FORECLOSURES, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WERE EMPTY. IT WAS A REALLY TOUGH TIME. AND THE CITY GOT THROUGH IT. THEY HAD TO LAY PEOPLE OFF AND THERE WASN'T ANY BUILDING. WASN'T ANYTHING GOING ON? AND I DIDN'T. YOU KNOW ALL THE YEARS AND IT JUST WAS IMPROVING A LITTLE MORE AND A LITTLE MORE. AND THAT'S SIX YEARS AGO, TWO YEARS BEFORE I RAN. WHAT DID COME THROUGH THE DOOR WATCHING. WAS DEVELOPERS THAT WOULD. COME BEFORE US OR COME BEFORE THE OTHER COMMISSION. AND THEY NEVER COMPLETED THEY NEVER. THEY NEVER BUILT. AND IT WAS JUST A VERY SLOW PROCESS. AND THEN WHEN I GOT ELECTED. I JUST THOUGHT THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE. AND I HAD. TOLD SEVERAL OF MY FRIENDS OFF AND ON THESE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AT HALF OF THOSE PROPERTIES AREN'T GOING TO BE BUILT. WELL, I WANT YOU TO KNOW GOING BACK. AND LOOKING AT ALL OF IT. THEY'RE NOT. WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD IN TWO YEARS. EVERY ONE OF THEM IS BUILD, BUT JUST A COUPLE. AND THAT WAS A REAL SHOCKER TO ME THAT. MY MINDSET AND WAY OF WATCHING. HOW HARD THE RECESSION
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WAS THAT WE ALL WENT THROUGH AND GOT THROUGH. UM SO I DON'T WANT TO APPROVE ANY MORE. ANYTHING THAT COMES BEFORE ME. I AM GOING TO SAY NO, THIS ISN'T AN EASY DECISION, BUT THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH. THERE'S MORE COMING IN. THERE'S MORE IN THE PIPELINE EVERY DAY, ANOTHER ONE SINCE THE MAYOR IS PACKED. MAYBE. I'M QUICKLY TALK ABOUT WHAT A BORE A TORREY UM IS AND. AND BEFORE I DO THAT, I'LL MENTION THAT WE ALL TAKE AN OATH OF I CAN'T HEAR YOU. MY WE ALL TAKE AN OATH OF OFFICE. I SAID, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT A MORATORIUM AND ESSENTIALLY AS A COMMISSION, YOU ALL TAKING OFFICE TO FOLLOW THE CODES AND THE LAW AND FLORIDA? SO I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE GOING TO PRE DETERMINE HOW WE'RE GOING TO RULE ON ANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT COME BEFORE US, AND WE'LL PROBABLY KEEP AN OPEN MIND. RATHER THAN SAYING TONIGHT THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE YE, ON ANY OTHER PROJECTS. I UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT THERE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD. WE SHOULD BE CLEAR THAT IT'S YOU DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH. YES, YES, WE WOULD KEEP AN OPEN MIND.BUT ANYWAY, THE. THE PROPOSED ME FINISH. THEN LET ME JUST SAY THIS AND THEN TRIED TO SAVE IT.
WHAT COMES BEFORE US IS WE HAVE TO CHANGE SO MUCH TO GET THEM THROUGH. LET ME TELL YOU 8679 YEARS AGO, WE DID THAT. I MEAN, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING WE NEEDED IT. UM SO I'M NOT IF THEY COME THROUGH THE STRAIT OF YOU KNOW THIS STRAIGHT ZONING. FINE WITH THAT, BUT I CAN'T SAY WHAT I'M GOING TO DO. I MEAN, I WILL LISTEN AND PARTAKE AND TRY TO BE AS OPEN MINDED AS I CAN. THAT'S THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE MR MARTEL AND HE STEPS IN AND GUIDES ME AND I DON'T SAY ANYTHING. IT'S GOING TO GET MY CITY IN TROUBLE. THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. THANK YOU. UM ANYWAY, THE LAST MEETING AND ANOTHER MEETINGS. WE'VE DISCUSSED THE POTENTIAL FOR ZONING IS IN PROGRESS AND MORATORIUMS. HISTORICALLY, THE.
AN EXAMPLE OF ZONING AND PROGRESS THAT THE CITY DID ADOPT FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME WAS WHEN, UM, THE LEGISLATION WAS PENDING. ORDINARY LEGISLATION. THE THERE WAS A BALLOT AGENDA ITEM REGARDING. LEGALIZATION FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES OF MARIJUANA, AND THERE WAS A SHORT ZONING IN PROGRESS TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION WAS TO AVOID DISPENSARIES POPPING UP EVERYWHERE AND. QUITE FRANKLY, AT THE END OF THE ZONING IN PROGRESS, THE COMMISSION DID NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES AND DIDN'T ADOPT ANYTHING. IT JUST SAID OKAY, WE'RE GOOD TO GO WHEN IT KIND OF CATEGORIZED DISPENSARY AS ANYWHERE ELSE THAT A PHARMACY LIKE A WALGREENS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD POP UP AND THAT WAS GOOD, AND IT DIDN'T REALLY RESULT IN ANYTHING. ON THE OTHER HAND OF MORATORIUM. IS A SITUATION WHERE. THE CITY ANTICIPATES A OVERLOOKED, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN COMMITS, COMMISSIONER BRUNER SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO CHANGE DIRECTIONS, AND IF THE CITY WERE TO SAY, OKAY, BACK HISTORICALLY IN THE LATE EIGHTIES OR EARLY NINETIES, THE COUNTY ENTERED A MORATORIUM BASED ON CONCURRENCY AND SAID IT WOULD NO LONGER ACCEPT ANY APPLICATIONS FOR ANY PROJECTS. ON KENNER HIGHWAY, US ONE NORTH OF THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE, INDIAN STREET AND OTHER LOCATIONS, AND IT WOULD IT WAS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT, UM. PROPERTY YOU ALREADY OWNED OR WHAT YOU ALREADY HAD. IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR USE WAS. NO PERMITS WILL BE PROCESSED. IT WOULD BE A MORATORIUM ON APPLICATIONS BEING RECEIVED. SINCE THEN, THE STATE CHANGE AND THAT WAS BASED UPON CONCURRENCY AND SAYING THAT THE ROADS DID NOT HAVE THE TRAFFIC CAPACITY TO SUPPORT IT. AND THERE WAS CERTAIN REGULATIONS BACK THEN. SINCE THEN, THE LAWN CONCURRENCY CHANGED. AND THE ZONING IN PROGRESS AND MORATORIUM CAN KIND OF BE A MIXED BREED. LIKE SO YOU COULD. IF A MORATORIUM MORATORIUM WOULD SAY. A DIRECTION TO THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. I DON'T CARE WHO THEY ARE. IF THEY COME IN AND THIS GEOGRAPHIC AREA FOR A PERMIT, THE PERMIT IS NOT ACCEPTED. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT'S FOR. WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THOSE FOR YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SIX MONTH PERIOD TO WAIT, WHETHER IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR A. PET STORE OR A CONDOMINIUM BUILDING OR A CHURCH DOESN'T MATTER. AND THEN ZONING AND PROGRESS IS A SITUATION WHERE THE CITY IS DECIDING THAT IT'S GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND DRAFT NEW LEGISLATION. AND WHILE THAT LEGISLATION IS PENDING IT WANTS TO PREVENT. OTHER APPLICATIONS FROM BEING SUBMITTED THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE, AND THEY'RE NOT APPLICABLE TO THE LEGISLATION. SO A ZONING IN PROGRESS CAN BE KIND OF A HYBRID AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE ZONING IN PROGRESS. CERTAINLY DURING THIS TIMEFRAME.
ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO MAKE AN APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT ORDER OR A OR A PROJECT TO COME FORWARD IS WELCOME TO SUBMIT A PERMIT TO THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO HAVE A BUILDING
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PERMIT ISSUED SO LONG AS IT DOESN'T DEVIATE. FROM THOSE ENTITLEMENTS IN THE CODE ALREAD, SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M GOING TO USE BUFFER. IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD A HOUSE, AND THEY NEEDED A 10 FT SETBACK, BUT THE HOUSE DESIGN NEEDED A ONE FT VARIANTS BECAUSE THEIR FRONT PORCH STUCK INTO THE BUFFER BY 12 INCHES. THAT WOULD NEED A ACTION BY THE COMMISSION TO WAIVE THAT, AND AS A RESULT, THE DIRECTION AND ZONING AND PROGRESS WOULD BE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OFFICE. NO PERMITS OF THAT NATURE GOING TO BE ACCEPTED UNTIL WE FINISH. DOING WHATEVER NEW LEGISLATION WE'RE GOING TO DO AS IT RELATES TO DEVELOPMENT. BUT IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND SAID I OWN THIS LOT, AND I MEET ALL THE MEAT, THE CODE I DON'T NEED ANY ACTION FROM THE COMMISSION. IN A ZONING IN PROGRESS, THE DEVELOPMENT OFFICE COULD STILL ACCEPT THAT.AND ANYWHERE IN BETWEEN. SO THE MORATORIUM VERSUS ZONING IN PROGRESS ARE VERY SIMILAR, EXCEPT DESIGNING PROGRESS KIND OF ALLOWS YOU TO MAKE A HYBRID AND TO ADDRESS CERTAIN THINGS WHILE THE ZONING IS PENDING. WHERE MORATORIUM SAYS. TODAY IS YOU KNOW THE MONDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING, WE ARE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS ARE PROCESSED AND THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS FOR A PERIOD OF 120 DAYS. PERIOD. N. IF ANSWERED BOTS. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CURRENT APPLICATIONS THAT ARE IN ANY APPLICATION THAT IS ALREADY FILED? HIS VESTED AS HAVING BEEN FILED YET, SO WHETHER IT'S A ZONING IN PROGRESS OR A MORATORIUM, THE MORATORIUM WOULD APPLY TO ALL. APPLICATIONS FILED AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE MORATORIUM, AND THE ZONING IN PROGRESS WOULD BE THE SAME THING. BUT WHATEVER THE NEW ZONING WAS WOULD NOT APPLY.
TO ANY. APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN FILED. WELL, CANCER. I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THAT MORATORIUM. THAT'S THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M UP HERE FOR TODAY. UH IT'S TIME FOR ME. I JUST NEED TO SEE. SIX MONTHS A YEAR IF IT'S GONNA KEEP COMING AND COMING IN COMMON UM, I WANTED TO FOR ME. I WANT TO JUST STOP COMING, AND I NEVER THOUGHT I'D EVER SET UP IN, SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE DATA THAT HAVE FREEMAN HAS ON WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, AND PROCESS OR THROUGH THE PIPELINE. AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION.
AND EVEN EVEN IF IT'S NOTHING, I MEAN AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR MARTEL, BUT IF SOMEONE COMES BEFORE US WITH SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A LAND USE CHANGE, AND THE COMMISSION SAYS, I WANT THAT TO STAY COMMERCIAL. THEY CAN. WELL I DON'T SO, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT STUFF THAT WE HAVE PENDING OR APPLICATIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY PENDING. IF THEY HAVE TO COME BEFORE, SO BEFORE THIS MEETING, I SAW THIS AGENDA ITEM AND I WAS TRYING TO THINK TO MYSELF. IS THERE A NEED FOR A ZONING AND PROGRESS OR IS THERE A NEED FOR A MORATORIUM? AND AT THE END OF HIS OWNING IN PROGRESS, WILL WE ACTUALLY TAKE SOME KIND OF ACTION? THAT WILL HAVE MADE IT WORTH ENTERING HIS ZONING IN PROGRESS AND LIMITING ACCESS AND LIMITING THESE THESE THINGS. AND I WAS TRYING TO LIKE, THINK AROUND ALL THE DIFFERENT PARCELS IN THE CITY OF STEWART AND THE FEAR OR THE CONCERNS THAT I HEAR ARE RELATED TO LARGE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE WORD DENSITY. IS LIKE A BAD WORD THESE DAYS IS MY PERCEPTION OF IT NOW. IRONICALLY IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND WANTED TO BUILD A COMMERCIAL BUILDING OF THE SAME MASS. IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
YOU SIZE OF COSTCO. WELL, IRONICALLY, COSTCO WAS 162,000 SQUARE FEET UNDER ONE ROOF, AND NO ONE CARED THAT IT WAS THE SIZE OF A STADIUM. BUT THE TO SAY NO. WHEN NOBODY'S CAMPUS THROUGH SOMEBODY IT WAS THE SIZE OF COSTCO WASN'T THE ISSUE. THE SIZE OF THE PARKING LOT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, BUT THERE WAS NEVER NOT ONE PERSON SAID HOW TALL IS COSTCO? I DIDN'T HAVE HER HERE THAT QUESTION IN 14 HOURS OF TESTIMONY. YOU'RE RIGHT. SO IT'S THE DENSITY IS THE ISSUE. SO I WAS LOOKING AT IT FROM OKAY. WHAT ABOUT RESIDENTIAL? WELL GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE ISSUE HAS BEEN. A FUTURE LAND USE TRENDING TOWARD WHAT JESSICA SAID EARLIER. HISTORIC. LAND USE WAS THE TRAY TABLE WHERE THE BEANS ARE SEPARATED FROM THE HAMBURGER AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF AND MORE MODERN ZONING OR MORE MODERN LAND USE. IS A BLEND OF USES TO TRY AND KEEP THE USES TOGETHER SO PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO DRIVE TO DO ALL THIS STUFF. WELL, OUR. FUTURE LAND USES ARE SOMEWHAT ANTIQUATED, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE FIND OURSELVES. NEEDING TO DO FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENTS IN ORDER TO PURSUE THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF TRAGIC REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL OF THE PLANNERS TO PURSUE THE CONCEPTS OF THESE MIXED USES OR THESE INTEGRATED ZONING. SO
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WHETHER WE HAVE A ZONING IN PROGRESS OR NOT. RIGHT NOW. I SPOKE TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS, BUT THERE WERE VERY FEW PARCELS THAT WOULDN'T NEED SOME TYPE OF FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT. IN ORDER TO PURSUE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ANYWAY. AND IF THE COMMISSION VOTES NO. ON THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENTS SIDE OF IT. THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF IT IS DEAD IN THE WATER. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO IT. WE'RE TALKING RESIDENTIAL. I AM. IN THE C R A.THE C R A IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME. UM WHAT THIS TOWN HAS BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 30 35 YEARS. UM I WANT THAT TO KEEP GOING AND WHAT THE REGIONAL PLANNING PRESENTS TO US AND HELPS US AND TEACHES US AND WE LEARN AS WE GO ALONG. I MEAN, IT IS SO IMPORTANT. THAT THERE WOULD BE SO MUCH BLOOD AROUND IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS WERE A GREAT CITY. WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I DON'T WANT TO CAUSE ANY TROUBLE, BUT. YOUR THOSE. THOSE FOUR STORIES IS WHAT IT IS. AND HOW MANY SO.
I'LL LET OTHERS SPEAK, KEVIN. YOU WANT TO SHOW THE DATA REAL QUICK THAT YOU HAVE, AND THEN WE'LL GO. YEAH, YEAH. KEVIN FREEMAN, DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. YOU'VE ALL SEEN THIS BEFORE, AND I THINK IT REFLECTS WHAT COMMISSIONER BRUNER IS JUST TALKED ABOUT. WE HAVE HAD A.
SINCE 2017 WHOLE RAFT OF PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL APPLICATIONS COMING FORWARD. AND YOU'LL SEE FROM THE GREEN INDICATION THAT THERE IS A. PATTERN THAT THESE THINGS IF THEY DO GET APPROVED, WILL MOVE TO CONSTRUCTION. THERE IS DEFINITELY INTENT. FROM A DEVELOPMENT POINT OF VIEW FROM A DEVELOPER SIDE THAT IF THEY'RE MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. I THINK THAT WE HAVE A SITUATION IN THE CITY WHERE LAND VALUES HAVE FINALLY EQUATED TO THE MARKET VALUES, WHICH IS NOT NOT A GOOD SIGN FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMES. BIAS BUT THAT'S WHERE WE STAND IN THE CITY. AND FROM PREVIOUS YEARS, MAYBE.
DEVELOPMENT WAS SLOWED PRIMARILY BY THE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN THE LAND VALUE AND THE POTENTIAL TO FOR A DEVELOPER TO MAINTAIN A PROFIT FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE NOW SEEING A MARKET WHICH IS SO INFLATED IN TERMS OF DEMAND THAT WHATEVER WE DO. OR WHATEVER LANDOWNERS DO SEEMS TO BE NOT HOLDING DEVELOPMENT PROGRESS BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON. AND WE ALSO NOTE THAT IT'S NOT JUST ONE AREA IN THE CITY. IT'S CITYWIDE. IT'S NOT A FOCUS ON THE C R A. IT'S NOT A FOCUS NORTH OR SOUTH. THIS IS A WIDESPREAD DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY. RESPONDING TO THE MARKET DEMANDS. UM. FOR HOUSING PRIMARILY AT THIS MOMENT IN TIM. WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF HOUSING.
WHAT I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE IN THE DEVELOPMENT FIELD. WE GO THROUGH, UH, MIX AND TROUGHS OF VARIOUS HOUSING DEMAND AND THEN COMMERCIAL DEMAND, AND THAT IS PLANNING. ACCEPTED THEORY IS HOUSING. CREATES COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL CREATES HOUSING. IT'S A CONTINUAL CIRCLE OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND. AND ONE THING. THAT YOU'RE NOT REALLY. NOTED AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE PRESENTED IS THAT OVER THE SAME PERIOD IN TIME 2017 TO 2021. WE'VE. APPROVED IN THE CITY OVER ONE MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL FLOOR SPACE. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT COMMERCIAL FLOOR SPACE, YOU'LL SEE HOW IT REFLECTS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE RESIDENTIAL POINT OF VIEW. ALMOST HALF OF THAT COMMERCIAL FLOOR SPACE STORAGE. OF SOMETHING SOME SORT. I WANT TO SAY A MILLION SQUARE FEET. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE. BEING APPROVED AND WHAT WE'VE GOT ON THE BOOKS SO THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE SYSTEM AT THE MOMENT. AND THAT INCLUDES THE KIND OF P U D. SO PLANNING THEORY WOULD THEN SAY THAT. AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THE DEMAND AND SUPPLY OF COMMERCIAL FLOOR SPACE. WE'VE WE'VE HAD THE PANDEMIC, WHICH HAS AFFECTED THE WAY THAT BUSINESSES OPERATE. STORES OPERATE AND WHAT THE
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CONSUMER HOW THE CONSUMER OPERATES. SO. WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE CONSUMERS IN TOWN. BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THAT AS A CONSEQUENCE INCREASES DEMAND FOR RETAIL. LEISURE. COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES AND ALL THE THINGS YOU SEEING. LAGGING SLIGHTLY NOW. SO. UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T SEE AN END IN THE RESIDENTIAL. I DON'T SEE A LIKE THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN SEE. CONTROLLING THE RESIDENTIAL IS LAND SUPPLY AT THE MOMENT. AND IF THAT BALANCE IF THE TIPPING POINT IS DEPENDENT ON VACANT SITES, AND WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF THOSE PROPERTIES. WE MIGHT THEN SEE A TURN TO RESIDENT TO MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD. I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S TALKING TO OUR LAND USE CATEGORIES WOULD BE STRUGGLING TO INCORPORATE THE MIXED USES THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE IN THERE. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT I THINK NOW. WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT'S GOING TO ALL OF THAT COMING ABOARD IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS THAT WE CAN SUSTAIN OURSELVES NOW, BUT IF WE CONTINUE AND GET ANOTHER 1000 OR WHATEVER, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A FIRE DEPARTMENT AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THIS CITY. AND THE POLICE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT NOW WHERE WE'RE AT. AND WHEN THIS IS COMPLETE, WE WON'T NEED THAT. BUT FURTHER WE WILL. I BELIEVE SO. THIS IS I DID A QUICK AND THAT WAS EXPENSE. I DID. VERY QUICK ANALYSIS THIS AFTERNOON. BASED ON THE CATEGORIES OF FUTURE LAND USE THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY. AND WHAT WE HAVE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU APPLIED THE BASIC FLOOR AREA RATIO AND DENSITY. ALLOWED IN EACH OF THOSE FUTURE LAND USES. AND THE NEXT TABLE. I WANT YOU TO ALL HOLD ON TO YOUR CHAIRS, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THE CITY THIS MOMENT IN TIME. SO UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IF WE APPLY THE DENSITY CALCULATIONS ON THE NORMAL ZONING. FOR THE CITY. YOU'RE LOOKING AT A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING POTENTIAL OF 22,000.AND MORE HOMES. CABINETS THAT VACANT VACANT A LITTLE BIT LAND TO BUILD ONE CITY OR IS THAT PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO BUILD STRAIGHT ZONING UNDER STRAIGHT ZONING OUT THERE, THE WHOLE CITY OR JUST WHAT'S VACANT? AND I HAVE NOT PULLED OUT WHERE I CAN'T. HE'S ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL. THERE'S NO THIS ADDITIONAL OR TOTAL. THIS IS TOTAL. THIS IS WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALLOWS. BILL. YES, FULL. BUILD OUT. THIS ISN'. I JUST WANT. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SEE THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND SAY, OH, WE GOT 22,000 ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL RIGHT NOW TOTAL THAT IT'S NOT ADDITIONAL USE, BUT PEOPLE COULD COME IN AND BUILD THOSE UNITS. AND LET ME PUT THIS UNIT. NO TOTAL UNITS IN THE CITY. I MEAN, BUT I JUST COUNTING WHAT'S CURRENTLY BILL COUNTING ONE. ALWAYS BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THEY WILL ALWAYS BEAT. YES, YES. BECAUSE IF WE TRIED TO CHANGE THAT IT WOULD BE A TAKEN CORRECT CORRECT UNLESS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS CHANGED, BY THE WAY, FUTURE LIKE JESUS. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS CHANGED IF YOU TOOK AWAY SUBSTANTIAL PROPERTY RIGHT FROM THEM. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S OWNING ENTITLES THEM TO 10 UNITS PER ACRE. IF YOU BROKE THAT DOWN TO TWO UNITS IN A CAT WOULD BE ATTENDED, BE TAKING EXACTLY IF THEY CAN GO UP TO 30 UNITS AN ACRE. IT'S NOT A TAKING. TO THE IF YOU MOVED IT FROM 30 TO 27. THAT THEY COULD GO UP TO. YOU IT WOULDN'T CONSTITUTE SUBSTANTIAL REMOVAL OF PROPERTY RIGHTS. BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A VESTED PROPERTY RIGHT AT 30. THEY HAD A VESTED PROPERTY RIGHT OF THE OTHER NUMBER BASICS STRAIGHT ZONE. CAN I ASK MAYOR? CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOW AND HIGH? LOW IS STRAIGHT ZONING WITHOUT COMING BEFORE COMMISSION THAT WILL BE MAXIMUM THAT WOULD BE COMING TO COMMISSION AND ASKING FOR PERHAPS 30 UNITS, BARREDA. YOU HAVE MANY ACRES OF VACANT UNDEVELOPED WHEN WE HAVE IN THE CITY. ANY IDEA. I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER ON ME. IT'S NOT VERY MUCH, THOUGH. IT'S NOT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BILL, I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT. PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE MAJOR SITES THAT MAY HAVE UNDER 100 ACRES, MAYBE WELL UNDER 100 YEARS, WELL UNDER A SO WE'RE WELL UNDER 100 ACRES. SO AND OKAY, CAN. MR FREEMAN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE YOU PUT UP? SO. I UNDERSTAND
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EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE STATUS OF CONSTRUCTION. OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING BUILT.CAN YOU EXPAND ON WHAT THE IN REVIEW MEANS, UM LIKE CENTRAL PARKWAY LOSS, SO THAT WAS APPROVED AS AN RPG BY THE COMMISSION. SO THAT'S IN REVIEW PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION, BUT THAT'S. DONE AND APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. CORRECT IT IS. IT'S IN REVIEW BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. OKAY, BUT THAT IS DIFFERENT. THEN IN REVIEW AT THE BOTTOM OF SILVERTHORNE. YES, SIDE. YEAH. AND EVEN LEAH. NUMBER 10 IS THAT IN REVIEW PRIOR TO CAN WE BREAK DOWN THE IN REVIEW COLUMN YES, AND DIFFERENTIATE. IN REVIEW COMING TO YES, THE COMMISSION VERSUS IN REVIEW FOR OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE ONCE IT'S APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION, TRUTH IT IS. APPROVED. RIGHT YE. SO HOW MANY OF THOSE IN THE BLUE COLUMN OF REVIEW? COULD BY THE WAY I WOULD LOOK AT THIS AS A COMMISSIONER. FALL INTO THE APPROVED COLUMN, JUST CENTRAL JUST CENTRAL YES, JUST CENTRAL. UGLY. SO THE AVEN, LEAH 10 AND 13. THEY ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AT THE MOMENT BEING REVIEWED AWAITING. BUT THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED PRIOR THERE THERE, SO THEY'RE COMING BACK TO US. IS THEIR PLAN FOR US, UM, A MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT REMIND YES.
BUT IN A SENSE BOTH THOSE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. IS THIS DATA REFLECTING WHAT THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR BACK IN. A DECADE AGO OR SIX OR EIGHT YEARS AGO. ESSENTIALLY, YES.
OKAY, SO AS ESSENTIALLY THOSE. BOTH THEY HAVE AND LEAH PROPERTIES ARE WORKING OFF SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE PREAPPROVED FOR. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH I CAN TELL YOU THAT. THE EXPERT ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER IN THE COSTCO OKAY, WHO WORKED FOR 17 YEARS IN D. C.
A REVIEWING PLANS. SAID THAT WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE WAS THE APPROVAL LIKE THEY DID IN 1998 THAT HE APPROVED WHICH WAS IN FACT THE HEAVENLY, A PROJECT. WHICH INCLUDED A SPECIAL NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT, BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. BUT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED SINCE 1998. OKAY, BUT CAN. WOULD IT BE CORRECT? AND ASSUMING MR MARTEL ONCE SOMETHING'S APPROVED.
WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT APPROVAL? GETTING REVOKED BACK TO PRE APPROVAL CONDITIONS? THE CITY OF STEWART DOES NOT HAVE A. PRE APPROVAL. MAYBE IT'S NOT A POLICY AND YOU COULD PUT IT IN YOUR ORDINANCES THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DOWN ON US ONE THAT USED TO BE THE HARDWARE STORE THAT'S OWNED BY THE TIME AND FAMILY AND IT BECAME THE FOUNTAINS OR WHATEVER. IT WAS CALLED A LONG TIME AGO, IT WAS APPROVED AND NEVER GOT BUILT JUST VACANT ON US ONE. THAT THE U D ESSENTIALLY EXPIRED FOR LACK OF CONSTRUCTION AND DIDN'T GET BUILT WITHIN THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE EU DE. BUT WHEN THE P U D EXPIRED, THE LAND DOES NOT HAVE A REVERT ER IN THE P U D THAT REVERTS IT BACK. TUBE COMMERCIAL SO THAT IT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
HISTORICALLY THE COMMISSION DIDN'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY WANTED THE LANDOWNER ONCE SUBJECTING THEMSELVES TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY. TO HAVE TO COME BACK IN AND AMEND OR REVISE OR REINSTATE OR DO WHATEVER WAS NECESSARY RATHER THAN HAVING THE ABILITY TO DO STRAIGHT BUILDING WITH A STRAIGHT PERMIT SO THAT THE FOUNTAINS. ON US ONE AND ITSELF. STEWART IS CURRENTLY IN. A P U D THAT IS ESSENTIALLY OUT OF ITS TIME FRAME. AND ESSENTIALLY THAT PROPERTY. HAS A FUTURE LAND USE, BUT DOESN'T HAVE ANY PRESENT ZONING ON IT THAT WOULD ALLOW IT TO COME IN AND BUILD PER CODE BECAUSE ITS ZONING IS P U D. CAN WE GIVE IT TWO YEARS? WE DON'T HAVE THAT TIME. CAN WE SET IT UP WORK? THEY DON'T DO IT. IN TWO YEARS OF THEY HAVE TO START OVER, BUT DOES EVERY STATE OF EMERGENCY. CAUSE THAT, YES, WE GET SIX MONTH EXTENSIONS, BUT AN EXAMPLE OF GIVING TWO YEARS IT TOOK 4.5 YEARS FOR AZUL TO BUILD SO TWO YEAR WINDOW WOULD HAVE CAUSED THEM TO DEFAULT YEARS IS NOT ENOUGH, RIGHT? NO, BUT. FROM
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WHAT I'VE LEARNED SO FAR, BASICALLY WANTS SOMETHING IS APPROVED. IT'S APPROVED AND THEY MIGHT BE COMING BACK TO US FOR MINOR OR MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT. BUT THERE'S NO GOING BACK TO PRE APPROVAL PROCESS. THEY WILL HAVE THAT RIGHT. TO BUILD WHAT WAS APPROVED. WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT HEAVENLY AS SOME OF THAT STUFF WAS PROVEN, MR MORTAL SIDE OF 98. WELL, LAVON. LEAH, THOUGH, DIDN'T HAVE AN EXPIRATION. THE HEAVENLY A DEVELOPMENT SAID IT IS GOING TO STAY AND NOT EXPIRE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE STRAIGHT APPROVED. I MEAN, YOU COULD ENTER AN APPROVAL THAT SAYS HERE'S YOUR. APPROVAL FOR NINE UNITS. AND IF YOU DON'T BUILD THE NINE UNITS BY 2025. THAT APPROVAL EXPIRES AND YOU CAN'T COME BACK IN. AND BY THE WAY, WHEN THEY DO COME BACK IN THE COMMISSION COULDN'T CAN AND NOT ONLY CAN BUT HAS. REQUIRED ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. THEY HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO A NEW CODE. IT'S NOT WHAT WAS APPROVED ITS. THE NEW REQUIREMENTS OF THE NEW L. DRS THAT SAY THE PARKING CODE IS X NUMBER OF SPACES OR THE TREE OR THE STORM WATER OR WHATEVER DIDN'T NEW DETAILS ARE BECOMING LAND PLAYER TO THAT APPROVAL. YOUR YOUR NEW. FOUNDATION YOU'RE WORKING OFF OF WAS THE LAST APPROVAL. RIGHT SO IT DOES CHANGE. YOU'RE NOT GOING BACK TO THOSE PRECONDITIONS. SO ANOTHER THING I'M I'M INTERESTED. HAVE YOU WHAT'S THE TOTAL AND ALL OF THESE BEFORE US? AH TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE. HE'S JUST OVER 6095, 3000 SILVERTHORNE 3095. I THINK THAT'S THE INCLUSIVE EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THE BOOKS AT THE MOMENT IN REVIEW ALL UP WITH. SO COMMISSIONER BRUNO, RIGHT? I FEEL THE VERY SIMILAR FEELINGS THAT YOU DO. UM AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, I SERVED ON THE SCHOOL BOARD BOUNDARY ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS AND LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS AS FAR AS. UM STUDENTS AND CONCURRENCY. AND DO WE HAVE THE CAPACITY OF SCHOOLS AND YOU KNOW MARTIN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL, I BELIEVE WAS CLOSE TO 130. OR SO AND WE SHIFTED AROUND. OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO SHIFT SOME OF THE HIGH SCHOOL DISTRICTS, WHICH WILL. ULTIMATELY HAVE A CASCADING EFFECT DOWN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. BUT BASICALLY YOU KNOW? TO SUMMARIZE IT. AT THE END OF THE DAY. ALL THREE OF OUR HIGH SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO BE LEFT. ROUGHLY 110% OR SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD'S ULTIMATE DECISION IS, OR A LITTLE OVER THAT UM WITHOUT. WITH FACTORING SOME OF THIS IN BUT NOT NOT ALL OF THESE STATS. I CAN TELL YOU UM AND YOU KNOW? I AGREED THAT.I'D REALLY FOR US TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS. WE NEED TO SEE HOW THE CITY REACTS WHEN SOME OF THIS IS BUILT IN ONLINE. UM YOU KNOW, FOR THE FIRST YEAR TWO. W. GAVE I GAVE A SOLID PUSH FOR APPROVING SOME PROJECTS. KNOWING THAT WHAT I HEARD FROM RESIDENTS WAS THERE WAS A LACK OF. HOUSING WHETHER IT WAS RENTAL OR TOWN HOUSES FOR THE YOUNGER. FRESH OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL FRESH OUT OF COLLEGE, 25 TO 35 YEAR OLD. AGE GROUP. UM I BELIEVE WE'VE FULFILLED THAT NEED AND WE'VE MADE A SIGNIFICANT PUSH TO TRY. DO WHAT WE CAN WITH THE LIMITATIONS WE CAN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM AND WE HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT SUCCESSFUL FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING AND WHEN SOME PROJECTS AND OTHERS. UM NOT AS SUCCESSFUL AS I'D LIKE TO BE. AND THEN WE'VE WATCHED THE MARKET STEADILY INCREASE. AND. IN MY MIND SOME SOMEWHAT PRICE THAT HARD PUSHES THAT WE'VE MADE PRICE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT OF THE MARKET. I CAN TELL YOU AT THIS POINT. I WILL CERTAINLY TAKE EVERYTHING WITH AN OPEN MIND BUT A BARE MINIMUM. I SEE NO NEED. TO CHANGE OUR FUTURE LAND USED TO ENCOURAGE MORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY. MADAM MAYOR ALREADY DONE DO IT? YES COMMISSIONER MACDONALD FINISHED. OKAY. COUPLE THOUGHTS. ONE IS. JUST IN TO GO DOWN. I JUST KIND OF GOT A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS, AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY ANY SPECIFIC ORDER. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF A ZONING AND PROGRESS OR MORATORIUM, BUT I AM IN FAVOR O.
NOT APPROVING ANY FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENTS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF REDEVELOPMENT IN THE SIERRA. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON THE SCIARRA, UM. AND BECAUSE
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ESPECIALLY AFTER IN LIGHT OF WHAT JESSICA SHOWED US TODAY, U, ANYTHING THAT HELPS US BRING THAT HIGH QUALITY MIXED USE. MORE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THAT. UHH! SECOND THING IS OUR THIRD THING BECAUSE I'M LOSING STORMWATER. A COUPLE OF YOU MENTIONED STORMWATER. WE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SOME STORE WAR WE'VE ALSO BEEN TALKING ABOUT KEVIN MENTIONED ISSUE ABOUT THE UNDERGROUND STORMWATER AND MAY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. UM THE REALITY IS WE NEED TO LOOK AT STORMWATER JUST FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND FROM A HEARTENING ASPECT OF SUSTAINABILITY, SO WE IF WE GO AND WE FOCUS ON OUR STORM WATER THAT AND THEN. AT THE SAME TIME, AS WE FOCUS ON THAT THAT MAY ACTUALLY CHANGE SOME OF THE CALCULATIONS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT AND I THINK THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE A VERY POSITIVE. WAY OF DOING TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING FLOODING, AND WE'RE CONTROLLING OUR STORM WATER PREVENTING RUNOFF BECAUSE AS MUCH AS WE CONCERN OURSELVES WITH THE RIVER RUNOFF GOING INTO THE RIVER.WHAT I HEAR ABOUT STORMWATER ISN'T FROM MOST OF THE PEOPLE IS ABOUT FLOODING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AND. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE. EVERYBODY WORRIES ABOUT THE RIVER, BUT THEY REALLY WORRY ABOUT WHEN THEIR HOUSE FLOODS OR IN THEIR YARD IS FLOODS IN THER, AND I ALMOST SAID BASEMENT. IT'S MY NORTHERN. HE'S EVER J. MCGANN IN YOUR BASEMENT AT SIX FT. OF WATER. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A FLOOD IS. ANYBODY'S LIVED UP NORTH UNDERSTANDS THAT. UM ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE WORKED ON. WHEN I CAME BACK ONTO THE COMMISSION WAS THAT AMENITIES LIST AND, UM. AND YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN. JUST AS WE HELD THE DEVELOPER FOR COSTCO TO A VERY HIGH STANDARD FOR THE NUMBER OF AMENITIES OF ROAD LINEAR PART ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. WE CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT KNOWS THAT TELL THE DEVELOPERS THAT LOOK. WE NEED TO HAVE A HIGH INTENSITY OF THESE AMENITIES. IF WE'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING SO. I THINK IF WE FOCUS ON THOSE ISSUES UM, IT'S GOING TO BRING. THINGS UNDER CONTROL AT THE SAME TIME. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, AND I LOOKED BACK AND I. YOU KNOW ME AND YOU'LL HAVE BEEN UP HERE A LONG TIME. UM. ONE OF THE THINGS I LOOK AT, AND I LOOK AT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE AT WHERE WE ARE IS BECAUSE NOT JUST HERE. BUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. DIDN'T BUILD ANYTHING FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS. FROM 2000 AND 17 2019. THERE WAS VIRTUALLY NO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT VERY MINIMAL. WE USED TO GO TO THOSE JOINT CITY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS IN THE COUNTY. YOU TALK ABOUT 38 BUILDING PERMITS FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS. AND. AND IF YOU LOOK AT NOT JUST AROUND STEWART, LOOK AT MARTIN COUNTY. YOU'VE GOT PILING PRAIRIE, WHICH IS NEW FIELD 4200 HOMES TOGETHE. YOU GOT THE DEVELOPMENT OF CHRIST FELT OUT THERE BY CHRIST FELLOWSHIP 300 HOMES, YOU GOT HARMONY, WHICH IS 4000 HOMES. YOU'VE GOT DISCOVERY LAND, WHICH IS 312 AND NUMEROUS OTHER GOLDEN ROD, US ONE AND GOLDEN ROD. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY UNITS THAT IS, BUT. AT AND THEN WHEN YOU GET OUTSIDE OF I READ AN ARTICLE THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA WAS. HAVING YOU KNOW DISCUSSIONS THAT THEIR CITY COUNCIL LEVEL REGARDING APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT.
THE PRESSURE IS THERE BECAUSE THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF. THING NATIONWIDE. CALIFORNIA S TO MR ESTIMATES OF FIVE MILLION HOMES, RESIDENCES BEHIND. AND THAT'S WHY THEY CHANGED THE STATE LAW TO RECORD TO ELIMINATE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING. AND THEY REQUIRE EVERY LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO HAVE A HOUSING UP ZONING PLAN AND THEY'RE GOING AT THEY'VE CREATE. THEIR ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS CREATED A OFFICE, WHICH HAS ONLY HAS 12 ATTORNEYS. WHICH CONSIDERING THE SIZE OF CALIFORNIA ISN'T THAT MANY, BUT THEIR FIRST INVESTIGATION IS INTO A LOCAL COMMUNITY THAT TURNED DOWN 495 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX. AND. AND I'M AM ORANJE. YES, IT IS CALIFORNIA. BUT WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THE WAY. OUR LEGISLATURE TENDS TO BE DIRECTING FAR AS HOME RULE AND MOVING AWAY FROM IT. I CAN SEE THAT HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE. I HOPE IT DOESN'T. BECAUSE WHAT'S THE POINT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT WE'RE REALLY UP HERE STRUGGLING WITH AND IF IT'S TAKEN AWAY FROM US, BUT UM, SO JUST TO RECAP. UH, MIKE, JUST MY THOUGHTS. NO. ONE MORATORIUM NO ONE TO ZONING AND PROGRESS. FOCUS ON STORMWATER, ENHANCING OUR STORM WATER AND UPGRADING
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OUR STORM WATER REGULATIONS. OF NO FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES BECAUSE THAT'S A CORRECTLY IF RON MIKE, THAT'S A POLICY CHANGE THAT DECISION, SO WE CAN DO THAT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF INSIDE THE SCIARRA. AND THEN REALLY HOLD THE HOLD THE DEVELOPERS THE APPLICANTS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE AMOUNT OF THESE. IF THEY WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING APPROVED, THEY BETTER THEY BETTER BRING THEIR A GAME. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER MCDONALD. I JUST WANT TO SAY TO MR FREEMAN AND JUST STAFF, MR MARTEL. UM. YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN WE APPROVE THINGS THAT WE. YOU'RE I THINK WHEN CHAIRMAN I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO CALL NAMES. WE HAD A PROJECT THAT CAME IN AND THERE WAS OVER THE BRIDGE, AND THEY HAD HAD AFFORDABLE HOUSING. LONG TIME AGO, AND, UM. WE'RE CHANGING SOME THINGS. IT WASN'T NECESSARILY FOR A NEGATIVE REASON. BUT IT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE THAT HOW CAN WE GET MORE? EVEN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING, WHETHER IT'S A LAND USE AMENDMENT? ARE TRYING TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT UM, WAS ALREADY APPROVED OR NEEDED TO HAVE SOME CHANGE IN IT. HOW CAN WE GET MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? AND HOW CAN WE GET A VERY WELL DEFINED AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN? SO THAT PEOPLE UM YOU KNOW? PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. WE KNOW THAT WE ALWAYS SAY IT'S A MARKET AND WE KNOW WHAT IS ALREADY APPROVED AND IN THE PIPELINE, AND MOST OF IT IS NOT.AFFORDABLE BUT I THINK THAT THAT HAS BEEN THE THING. I THINK THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THINKING AND THAT. YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'LL APPROVE AND APPROVED AND APPROVED UNTIL WE APPROVE SOMETHING THAT'S POSITIVE. IN TERMS OF HOLDING DOWN SOMETHING AS A MORATORIUM. I KNOW THAT SOME PLACE LIKE, UM, UH, IS STUART WITH THE WITH THE TALE OF PROPERTY THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO COME IN FOR FEW YEARS NOW, AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING, UM, SPECIFIC, BUT IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMES IN, WILL THAT BE UNDER BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T PUT ANY. PLANS ON IT'S JUST THAT THE LAND HAS BEEN THERE, AND THERE'S NO UM IS STUART P. U D THAT'S UNDER WOULD COME ON THE STREET ZONING. WOULD THAT BE UNDER A MORATORIUM IF WE EVER HAD A MORATORIUM IF YOU INCLUDED IT? WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO MAYBE SELECT THE SCIARRA OUT OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IT WOULD BE MORE OF TH, UH, HERE IS NOT IN THE CR A. THAT WOULD BE COMING IN FOR EITHER THE INTENSE LAND USE CHANGE OR OR EVEN JUST THE LAND USE CHANGE WHETHER IT'S FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL VERSA. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS ANY DISCUSSION REGARDING. LAND USE CHANGE. THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT A MORATORIUM AND NOT ACCEPTING ANY PERMITS. AND THEN THERE WAS A POTENTIAL DISCUSSION REGARDING ZONING IN PROGRESS, BUT THE ZONING. MAY NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH LAND USE. IT COULD BE JUST STORMWATER ZONING, OR IT COULD BE JUST I KNOW. FOR YEARS, COMMISSIONERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A TRANSITIONARY PARKING SO THE DOWNTOWN WHERE'S PARKING EXEMPT? THEN HAVING ANOTHER RADIUS OF PARKING AROUND DOWNTOWN. THAT WAS NOT THE FULL PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THAT WAS MAYBE 50% OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, SO THAT COULD BE A ZONING IN PROGRESS, TOO. IT'S NOT JUST RESTRICTED TO WHETHER IT'S CHANGING TO RESIDENTIAL WHETHER IT'S MULTI FAMILY, WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW THOSE OTHER TERMS. AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS, I KNOW THAT WE'VE SEEN THE BUILD OUT NUMBERS. UM HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE REALITY OF THE IMPACT ON OUR. TAX BASE AND SO ON. IF WE IF WE. I THINK I HEARD IF WE STOP. EVERYTHING.
SURE THAT THERE WOULD BE AN IMPACT. SO AT SOME POINT, I MEAN, WE START PROJECTS THAT AREN'T EVEN GOT A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND YET, SO THERE IS STILL SOME COMING IN THE ECONOMY RIGHT NOW IS GOOD. SO I MEAN, I'M NOT. OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, BUT I WOULD BE OVERLY CONCERNED THAT WE DO THIS AND IT GOES ON TOO LONG AND THE, UH DISCOURAGES ANYONE FROM COMING TO THE CITY IN THE FUTURE, AND THEN WE HAVE. YOU KNOW AN ISSUE OF RECESSION OR WHATEVER. THEN WE HAVE NO ONE COMING THAT THAT'S WHERE THE ISSUE WOULD COME UP. I DO WANT TO CORRECT ONE THING, I THINK, MAYBE FORGETTING THINGS LIKE THE LANDFILL AND THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES. AND I HAD ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER WHO WENT ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE REAL FAST, AND THERE'S ABOUT 725 ACRES OF VACANT PROPERTY. ABOUT 725 ACRES OF VACANT PROPERTY BECAUSE WE HAVE THE LANDFILL, WHICH IS A LARGE THAT'LL ONLY THING IS 50. SO I MEAN, THERE'S MULTIPLE PARCELS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THOSE AND THAT'S EXCLUDING CONSERVATION PUBLIC. AH UM, OPEN SPACE THAT'S IN
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CONSERVATION AND IN PUBLIC. I MEAN, THAT COULD INCLUDE SOME OF THAT CONSERVATION. IT DOESN'T SAY SPECIFICALLY ON HERE, BUT THERE IS LIKE IT DOES SAY, LIKE RESIDENTIAL AND NON RESIDENTIAL, BUT SOME OF US SAYS VACANT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL CONDO AND INSTITUTIONAL I DON'T SEE ONE.ONE JUST AS VACANT ACREAGE THAT ONE COULD BE. THAT ONE COULD BE THE 108 ACRES. THAT COULD BE THE CAUSE SOME OF THE CONSERVATION. HE DID TAKE OUT PARKS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WELL, IT WAS A GOOD CONVERSATION AND YOU LISTEN. I AM. IF WE WERE TO GO DOWN THE ROUTE OF A ZONING IN PROGRESS. BUT ONLY OUTSIDE OF THE SCIARRA. AND WHILE WE HAD THOSE WORKSHOPS, ONE YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S INDEFINITE. YOU'RE LOOKING AT A TIME PERIOD THAT TILL THE JOB IS COMPLETED. CORRECT CORRECT. AND. TWO IF WE DID THAT, AND THOSE WORKSHOPS LED TO CHANGING ZONING. AND ALTERATIONS IN OUR SCIARRA THAT IS ALLOWABLE AS WELL. RIGHT? THERE'S NO. THE REASON BEHIND THAT IT WOULD JUST BE THAT OUTSIDE OF THE SCIARRA. THERE'D BE A ZONING IN PROGRESS, BUT WE COULD YOU KNOW? STILL ALLOW PROJECTS TO COME FORWARD IN THE SCIARRA WHILE WE DEBATED THE ENTIRETY OF THE CITY OF STEWART ZONING AND INCLUDED IN THAT DEBATE. COULD BE STORMWATER AND KEEPING MORE PROPERTY. ON KEEPING MORE WATER ON THE PROPERTY. SORRY. WHAT WOULD BE WE WOULD PROBABLY IMAGINE. BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD YOU DISCUSSED IN THE PAST WHERE THEY WOULD REVOLVE AROUND STORM WATER AND WETLANDS. AND THE REASON I BRING WETLANDS INTO ITS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW OF ANY WETLAND ISSUE WITHIN THE SIERRA, WHERE THERE ARE WEAPONS ISSUES OUTSIDE THIS AREA. AND. I KNOW WHAT THERE'S A LOT OF THIS WOULD DEPEND ON THE TIMING OF THE WORKSHOPS AND I GOT ALL THAT. BUT IF WE WENT DOWN THAT ROUTE OF THE ZONING IN PROGRESS. JUST OUTSIDE OF THE SIERRA. WHAT WOULD THAT TIMELINE LOOKED LIKE? HOW LONG WOULD THAT LAST? CLOSER, MINUS ZONING PROGRESS. YEAH IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE ZONING IS THE POINT. I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ADDRESS? STORMWATER IF IT'S IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S EASILY WRITTEN, OR IS IT JUST TO STOP? ALL DEVELOPMENT. I THINK IT'S TO TAKE A BROAD LOOK AT THE CITY ZONING. WITHOUT HIS OWNING A PARTY. ALL RIGHT. SO. A BROAD LOOK AT CITY ZONING HAPPENS EVERY OTHER MONDAY NIGHT.
NORMALLY IS ZONING IN PROGRESS IS WHEN YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFYING A CODE THAT YOU BELIEVE. YOU NEED TO MODIFY IN A PARTICULAR FASHION AS A RESULT DURING THE MODIFICATION PROCESS.
YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE MAKING APPLICATION THAT WOULD BE EXEMPTED FROM. HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE WITH STORM WATER IF I WANT, YOU KNOW. THREE INCHES OF WATER INSTEAD OF ONE TO BE HELD ON ALL PROPERTIES. DOES THAT TAKE A ZONING, IMPROPER? NO, BECAUSE YOU I MEAN, IT DEPENDS THAT YOU COULD. YOU COULD SAY WE DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT ANY NEW APPLICATIONS DURING THE TIME FRAME THAT THAT'S PENDING. BECAUSE YOU'RE SO AFRAID THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME IN AND BE OVERWHELMED BY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RUSH THE GATES TO SUBMIT SUBMIT ALS TO CIRCUMVENT IT. THE LIKELIHOOD IS NOT THE CASE, IF UNDER THAT EXAMPLE THAT THAT WOULD BE. THE CASE BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN STILL DO THEIR THING. THEY JUST HAVE TO DESIGN AND DIFFERENT. SYSTEM. IT'S NOT TAKING AWAY SPACE OR UNITY, DENSITY OR ANYTHING FROM THEM. IT'S JUST SAYING, LOOK, INSTEAD OF HOLDING THIS MUCH YOU HAVE TO HOLD THAT MUCH. BUT YOU HAVE AN OPTION. YOU COULD DO IT THAT WAY. AND THEN THE QUESTION IS. HOW LONG WOULD THAT TAKE? IF THE COMMISSION VOTED FIVE TO CHANGE IT FROM 1 TO 3, AND THAT WAS THE ONLY CHANGE I SUSPECT. KEVIN COULD GET THAT BACK TO YOU AND GET ADOPTED WITHIN TWO PUBLIC READINGS LIKE THE CODE REQUIRES. SO THAT WOULD GO PRETTY QUICKLY.
NORMALLY, WHAT HAPPENS IS RESULTING IN PROGRESS. IS A MUCH MORE DETAILED OR IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE YOU GUYS ARE DOING YOU MEAN YOU HAVE THIS. DISCUSSION THAT THAT'S MORE COMPLICATED IT IS GOING TO LAST MULTIPLE MONTHS AND WE'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, ER RIGHT? YEAH. NO. SHE'S JUST GETTING INTO IT. YEAH I BROUGHT IT UP OR HAVE YOU HAVE YOU EXPRESSION I'M BEING INVITED TO NOW. YEAH, UM I AH. I'M I AM NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF HIS OWNING AND PROGRESS OR ZONING EDIT ONE OR THE OTHER. I JUST I MEAN, I WANT THIS. I DON'T WANT
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THIS TO BE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. I MEAN, I'LL JUST GO AND SAY I DON'T I DO NOT BELIEVE IN US DOING HIS OWN THING IN PROGRESS. WITH THE TRUE INTENTION OF HALTING DEVELOPMEN, BUT I SAYING THAT IT'S FOR SOME REASON I THERE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO ADDRESS. ABSOLUTELY AND THAT'S SO I'M 100% BEHIND US DOING WHATEVER IT TAKES, WHETHER THAT'S ZONING IN PROGRESS. A SERIES OF WORKSHOPS THAT. COINCIDE WITH HIS OWNING IN PROGRESS. ARREST JUST, YOU KNOW.WORKING WITH JOE CAPRA AND HAVING HIM COME AND PRESENT THE STORM WATER MASTER PLAN BACK TO US AND START CHIPPING AWAY AT THAT. I AGREE WITH YOU. WE SHOULD BE HOLDING. I WANT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BUILT INTO OUR CODE. I WANT TO HOLD MORE STORMWATER ON PARCELS I WANT, YOU KNOW, I WANT A LOT OF THINGS TO MM. SO I'M OPEN TO HAVING THAT DISCUSSION, BUT I MEAN, IT WOULD BE A LIE TO SAY THAT YOU KNOW? THAT YOU NEED THE ZONING OF PROGRESS TO DO. WELL, I JUST DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. AND I'M NOT. I MEAN, NO, I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT WE NEED THAT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, AND THAT'S AT LEAST. YEAH THREE OF US. THAT'S THE HIGHEST ON MY LIST. I CAN SAY I SUPPORT COMMISSIONER BRUNER SAY. I'M VERY RELUCTANT. TO ENCOURAGE MORE DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF THE SIERRA AND I'LL AND I'LL JUST GO INTO THAT AS WELL. I AGREE. I THE SIERRA NEEDS TO BE OUR PRIORITY. UM WHAT I. WHAT I HAS IT. WHAT I'M ANXIOUS ABOUT TRULY IS THAT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS A SMALL TOWN. WORD GETS OUT. YOU KNOW, WE HAD A CHANGE COMMISSION COME IN, AND IT'S HAPPENED TO COINCIDE WITH THE MARKET EXPLOSION AROUND THE COUNTRY TO YOUR POINT. COMMISSION MCDONALD I HEAR ABOUT IT. AT THE LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETINGS. EVERYBODY IS LIKE. COMPLAINING AND BEING BEATEN UP BY THEIR CONSTITUENTS, BECAUSE EVERYWHERE IS GOING THROUGH A BUILDING BOOM RIGHT NOW, AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S OUR TASK RIGHT NOW TO BE DEALING WITH IT. UM. I DON'T WANT US TO PUT THE WORD OUT THAT WERE SUDDENLY WE'RE CLOSED FOR BUSINESS. WHEN THERE'S STILL WE. FINALLY FINALLY NOW BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE. SHOWN THAT WE WERE OPEN FOR DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW? YES, WE HAVE HAD SOME FRINGE DEVELOPMEN. ITS THAT'S NOT IDEAL. BUT NOW WE HAVE PROJECTS COMING INTO THE SIERRA. THERE ARE BIG EMPTY LOTS ON OCEAN RIGHT? TWO MINUTE WALKING DISTANCE FROM HERE THAT ARE FINALLY NOW IN THE PIPELINE, AND THAT'S BECAUSE. WE CAN PUT AN EDICT OUT THERE THAT THIS IS OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAPS, AND THIS IS OUR ZONING, AND THIS IS HOW THE CODE WORKS. IT WILL NET THE MARKET IS STILL A REAL THIN. WE HAVE TO TRY TO WORK WITH THE MARKET AND INCENTIVIZE SHOULD ALSO POINT OUT TOGETHER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FRINGE DEVELOPMENTS. THE CITY OF STEWART IS FIVE SQUARE MILES. YES ESSENTIALLY A LOTS OF THANK. YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL IN THE WERE THE URBAN CORE OF THE COUNTY. BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS FOR OUR PURPOSES. WE COULD HAVE SET WE COULD HAVE DENIED ALL PROJECTS THAT CAME IN. AND NOTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT. THAT WOULDN'T HAVE IT. THAT IT WOULDN'T HAVE THEN MADE THE DEVELOPERS GO. OH I GUESS I CAN'T DO IT THERE.
WELL, I'M GOING TO GO AND DO IT IN THE SIERRA. WE HAVE WE HAVE PRIMED THE ENGINE. AND NOW FINALLY, THERE'S THE ATTENTION THAT WE HAVE NEEDED IN THE SIERRA. SO. I JUST WANT TO LIKE THAT. C R A MONEY THAT WE. THAT IT PRODUCES AND DEBATE OUR CITY. GREAT LIKE IT IS. I MEAN, YES. I THINK WE'VE DONE SOME GOOD WORK WITH LIKE RITA AND WITH SOME OF OUR FOCUS ON THE BEAUTIFICATION, BUT. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT WHAT REALLY DID IT IS THAT WE HAVE HAD SOME NEW DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF THE SIERRA BECAUSE THEN THAT HELPS THE MARKET OVERCOME THAT THE PRICING THE LAND VALUE CHALLENGES IN THE CR, RIGHT? THAT'S THE UNFORTUNATE REALITY. WE. WE LIVE IN A FREE MARKET SOCIETY, AND THAT'S HOW THIS ALL WORKS, AND I MEAN, THERE'S SOME INTERVENTIONS WE CAN TAKE. BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AT IS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE REALLY CLEAR AND I THINK WE ARE BEING CLEAR THAT WE WANT. WE? WE REALLY WANT THAT ENERGY AND FOCUS ON THE C R A AND I'M AND I'M TOTALLY WILLING. FOR US TO BE MORE UM. CAREFUL ABOUT ABOUT PROPOSALS COMING IN THAT REQUIRE LAND USE CHANGES OR REZONING TO PDS. I'M TOTALLY ON BOARD WITH THAT, UM. I JUST DON'T WANT US TO SEND THE MESSAGE THAT SUDDENLY WE ARE GOING TO WE ARE GOING TO BEAT DEVELOPERS UP BECAUSE THE SIERRAS ARE WHERE THE REAL BATTLES ARE GOING TO BE. I MEAN, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE COMING OUT? I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME. WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME TOUGH BATTLES OVER WHAT NEEDS TO BE DENSE PROJECTS IN OUR SCIARRA ON OCEAN. AND I JUST DON'T WANT US TO SCARE AWAY BECAUSE THAT'S SO CRITICAL. THAT'S SO CRITICAL NOT
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JUST FOR OUR TAX BASE, BUT FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR VIBRANT WALKING. WORKING, LIVING DOWNTOWN. UM I AGREE WITH YOU, MIKE. I THINK YOU HIT A LOT OF THE THINGS AND THE FREE MARKET.LIFE. IS ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK ABOUT. THE CITY'S CAMP PLANS. ALTHOUGH IT'S MOVED IN BEDFORD FLOWS OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS. THERE'S A COUPLE OF CONSISTENT THINGS. FOR EXAMPLE, THE FOUR STORY LIMIT. WE'VE HAD A FOUR STORY THAT. AND IT'S JUST NOW THAT WE'RE REALLY STARTING TO SEE FOUR STORIES BEING BUILT AND IT'S MARKET FORCES DRIVING. YOU CAN'T WE CAN'T YOU'RE NOT GETTING PICKED UP. I'M SORRY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. IT'S JUST NOW THAT THE MARKET FORCES DRIVING THAT, UM. OUR I'M SURPRISED, TO BE HONEST, I MEAN, EVEN WHEN WE DID, UH, WHEN WE DID AZUL, THEY CHOSE NOT TO GO FOR STORIES. THEY WENT THREE AND. BUT THAT'S A THAT MARKET FORCES AZUL WAS THE FIRST MULTI FAMILY PROJECT THAT BUILT IN JUST THE CITY AND THE ENTIRE COUNTY. AND I THINK IT HAD BEEN LIKE 12 OR 13 YEARS. THAT'S WHAT IS DRIVING. THIS NEED. THERE'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE IN MY OLD BUSINESS THAT I HAD. I USED TO GO TO PEOPLE'S HOUSE AND DELIVERED THEM DOCUMENTS MOST OF TIME. THEY DIDN'T WANT THEM, BU. YOU WOULD BE. I WAS SHOCKED AT HOW MANY MULTIPLE GENERATION FAMILIES ACROSS ALL INCOMES. OH DIVERSITY OF ETHNIC GROUPS OF NEIGHBORHOODS OF. CHILDREN TO USUALLY AT LEAST TWO BUT OFTEN THREE GENERATIONS LIVING IN ONE HOUSE AND I THINK WHAT IS. THE BETWEEN THE ECONOMY CHANGING, MAYBE DEPEND, EMMICK. MAYBE MAYBE PEOPLE JUST GETTING SICK OF EACH OTHER. WE'RE SEEING THIS CHANGE WHERE EVERYBODY IS LIKE TRYING TO GET THEIR SPACE. AND THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THIS NEED AND IT'S JUST NOT AGAIN. IT'S NOT JUST HERE, BUT WE'RE ALSO SEEING WE ARE SEEING HERE IN OUR STATE. UHH INCREDIBLE EXPANSION OF PEOPLE MOVING DOWN AND NOW THAT THE COUNTRY STARTING TO OPEN UP FROM THE PANDEMIC, FOREIGN INVESTORS ARE COMING BACK, AND THAT'S GOING TO REALLY CHANGE THE REAL ESTATE MARKET AS WELL. SO I MEAN, IT'S WE'RE GOING TO. WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING A LOT OF PRESSURE AND IT'S GOING TO BE IN. AND I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY SAID. BUT I DEFINITELY SPECIALLY AGREE WITH, UM LIKE YOUR APPROACH. I THINK I HAVE A SIMILAR. I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON OUR STORM WATER. AND WE CAN FOCUS ON THE ON THE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT. ALL OF THESE THINGS WE CAN DO THOSE THINGS. THESE MAKE THE INCREMENTAL CHANGES AND WORK TOWARDS THAT WITHOUT A ZONING IN PROGRESS OR A MORATORIUM. THAT'S WHAT. I JUST BELIEVE MADAM MAYOR IF I CAN JUST SOME OF THE TIME I'M DONE FOR THE NIGHT, SO OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT, THOUGH, OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE VERY REAL CONSEQUENCES TO DEVELOPMENT. UM I WANT TO LOOK FORWARD TO US TIGHTENING UP STORMWATER BEING MORE RESILIENT FOR CLIMATE FUTURE. BUT IT IS TRUE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING ONLINE.
DEVELOPMENT IS NOT INHERENTLY BAD. I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT AND I THINK MOST OF OUR CONSTITUENTS AND PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL. WHAT WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE SCHOOLS. IS HOW CAN WE ABSORB CAN WE AND HOW CAN WE ABSORB THE EFFECTS OF THE GROWT? THOSE ARE REAL CONCERNS THAT I THINK WE OUGHT TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER IT'S A NEW WORKSHOP FORM OR, YOU KNOW. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN HANDLE. THE GROWTH. I MEAN, I THINK THOSE ARE VALID CONCERNS.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE. PROFESSIONALS COME IN AND TALK TO US ABOUT TRAFFIC. AND HOW DO SMALL CITIES WITH VERY CONGESTED PINCH POINTS LIKE WE HAVE? I MEAN, WE'RE THE RIVER AND THE BRIDGE IS REALLY MAKES IT MAKES IT A CHALLENGE FOR US. AND SO WHAT CREATIVE STRATEGIES CAN WE EMPLOY TO HELP DEAL WITH SOME OF THOSE PINCH POINTS? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE THERE ARE WAYS WE CAN. WE OUGHT TO BE ADDRESSING SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WITH GROWTH, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BE REALISTIC AND SAY. YOU KNOW WHEN FOR THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SCREAMING AT US ABOUT. YOU KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE EXPLOSION IN THE CITY OF STEWART. WE KNOW THAT'S NOT TRUE, BECAUSE IT'S HARDLY ANY OF ITS COME ONLINE YET AND YES, IT'S A VALID POINT. THAT WHEN IT COMES ONLINE, WILL THE TRAFFIC IT WORSE, PROBABLY IN CERTAIN PLACES, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS WILL CHANGE. THE PINCH
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POINTS IN THE CITY ARE AT US ONE AND CAN ER AT MONTERREY AND. AND CANNER AT US ONE NORTH OF THE BRIDGE AT RIGHT AND TURNING ONTO DIXIE. THOSE ARE REAL PINCH POINTS AND THOSE ARE DUE TO GROWTH OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. THAT'S PORTS. ST LUCIE THAT'S SOUTHERN COUNTY. THAT'S PALM CITY. THAT'S JENSEN AND SOME OF THE CITY TOO. SO WE ARE IN A SITUATION LIKE IT OR NOT, WHERE.OUT THE ROADS IN OUR CITY. HAVE BEEN SO CLOGGED BY DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY.
AND SO IF WE WERE TO JUST SAY WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANYTHING ELSE, WE LOSE THE FINANCIAL ABILITY TO DEAL WITH THOSE CHALLENGES BECAUSE PORT SAINT LUCIE IN ST LUCIE COUNTY AREN'T GOING TO BE GIVING. US MONEY TO DEAL WITH US ONE AND CANTOR. BUT THEY'RE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT HISTORICALLY EVER BEEN ABLE TO LIVE IN STUART, YET THEY COME AND WORK HERE. THEY SHOP HERE.
THEY SPEND EVERY DAY HERE. THEY'RE CLOGGING UP THOSE ROADWAYS. BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM. I HOPE THAT SOME OF THIS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL ACCOMMODATE THEM. SO AGAIN, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER. THIS IS THIS CITY. MAP TO MR BARTELS. POINT IS NOT. WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A BLACK HOLE OUTSIDE OF THAT. I MEAN, WE ARE IN THE CORE OF A COUNTY NEXT TO EXPLOSIVE GROWTH. COURT. ST LUCIE AND. WE CAN'T PREVENT THEM FROM COMING THROUGH HERE. IT'S A IT'S A. IT'S A FEATHER IN OUR CAP AND UNFORTUNATE ONE THAT WE ARE STILL SUCH AN IMPORTANT JOB CENTER RETAIL CENTER ENTERTAINMENT CENTER FOR THE RESIDENTS OF ST LUCIE COUNTY IN PORT ST LUCIE. AND SO I DON'T KNOW. I. WE WE'VE WE HAVE THE POWER AS A COMMISSION AND MAYBE WE HAVEN'T WHEN WE WERE FEELING LIKE WE HAVE AN EXERCISE THAT VERY WELL IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, BUT WE HAVE THE POWER AT EVERY HEARING. AND I KNOW WE ALL TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY. TO WEIGH THE EVIDENCE. APPROVE OR DENY. WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES TO PREVENT THINGS COME FROM COMING TO US. WE STILL HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY AND AUTHORITY TO SAY THAT'S NOT RIGHT OR YES, I WANT I WANT THAT OR. WE CAN STILL APPROVE OR DENIAL IN USE CHANGE. PUDU ZONING. UM SO. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SAY IS I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER MECHANISMS THERE ARE FOR ADDRESSING THE REAL NEEDS, WHICH ARE STORMWATER. AND THEN HOW DO WE ADDRESS THE CHALLENGES? FACING OUR COMMUNITY. DUE TO GROWTH, NOT JUST IN THE CITY, ESPECIALLY NOT JUST IN THE CITY, BUT IN OUR REGION. WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC TO HELP WITH THE. LIMITED RESOURCES ON PUBLIC SAFETY IN SCHOOLS. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE REAL PROBLEMS. THANK THANK YOU, MR MEYER. AND I MUST SAY THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BRUNER FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION AND FOR STAFF FOR LOOKING INTO THIS. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK TO US IN THE FUTURE? WITH SOMETHING OR. IS THE DISCUSSION WHAT IT IS, AND WE HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. OR DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROCESS AND TO WORK THINGS. IF THE PROCESS WORKS THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MANAG. PLUS, WE NEED TO DO SOME WORK ON OUR THINK OR. UM BUILD OUT OR TRANSPORTATION OF VALUATION. MAYBE, UM. UM DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL OR SOMEBODY ELSE WHO CAN LOOK AT SOMETHING. EVEN WITH THE COUNTY. WE DO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WHEN WE HAVE THOSE JOINTS. MEETINGS WHERE WE'VE SEEN HOW SOME OF THESE PROJECTS COME TOGETHER. AND I THINK STOR, WATER AND TRANSPORTATION ARE ALWAYS THE BIG ISSUES. I ADMIRE YOU, ALTHOUGH IT'S AN OBVIOUS THING FOR LITERALLY SAYING THAT.
THE CITY OF STEWART IS SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF. YOU KNOW THE CHURCH CIRCLES AREA BASICALLY AND SMART THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR COUNTY, WHERE A LOT OF THINGS HAPPEN THROUGH HERE, A LOT OF THINGS GO THROUGH YEAR AND PEOPLE DO COME HERE TO WORK EVERY DAY. THEY TOO LATE. THEY DO LEAVE, AND THAT'S A LOT OF THE FRUSTRATION WITH TRAFFIC, AND SO ON. THAT HAPPENS. BUT, U.
I JUST I THINK I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE DEVELOPMENT AND DISCUSSION. BUT DO WE WANT TO HAVE A WORKSHOP AND HAVE THE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT THEY FEEL? ABOUT OUR PROCESSES AND HOW THINGS ARE GOING AND, U, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT? WHAT
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WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? WHAT DO WE WANT TO GO ANY FURTHER WITH THIS? AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE A PUBLIC MEETIN. NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THE WORKSHOP NORMALLY ISN'T NECESSARILY THE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AND THAT WOULD BE HERE AT YOUR REGULAR COMMISSION MEETINGS. I WILL BE BRINGING BACK AT WORKSHOPS. YOU PROBABLY DID THIS SATISFIED MY INTENT ON SOONER RATHER THAN LATER THAT I ASKED YOU GUYS ABOUT SO THIS WILL PROBABLY BE AFTER THE HOLIDAYS IN JANUARY SOMETIME BECAUSE I STILL OWE YOU A WORKSHOP ON THE WETLANDS COMPARISON SITUATION BETWEEN US AND THE COUNTY. AND WE'LL TRY TO ADD SOME STORMWATER TO THAT WORKSHOP AS WELL. SO THAT WILL STILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU. BUT FROM WHAT I HEAR TONIGHT, IT'S STATUS QUO AS FAR AS OUR PROCESS IS CONCERNED, AND YOU GUYS WILL EVALUATE THAT AND MAKE THE DETERMINATION ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH EACH DEVELOPMENT. INDEPENDENTLY VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. GOODNIGHT WELL, ONE MORE THING. CAN I SAY THIS? I KNOW. AT ONE TIME WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH. ISLAND WAS INDIAN RIVER STATE COLLEGE OR SOMEBODY SOMEBODY HAD DONE SOME KIND OF A INTERACTIVE PROCESS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO CONTINUE OR DEVELOP AN INTERACTIVE PROCESS WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND LOOK AND SEE. WHERE WE ARE IN DEVELOPMEN.WHAT'S OUR BUILD UP? WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THIS? AND THAT'S TOO EXPENSIVE. ALL THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO. BUT UM, SOME TYPE OF INTERACTIVE PROCESS I THINK WE. MADAM I'M SORRY. I ONLY I ONLY CORRUPT BECAUSE WE GOT NOTIFICATION TODAY FROM THE MPO THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON A MULTI JURISDICTION G I S MAP. THAT'S GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THE CITY'S COUNTY.
EVERYONE ON THIS ONE GIS LAYER THAT WILL HAVE ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN PROCESS AND ALL THAT STUFF IN IT TO HELP WITH THAT PLANNING PURPOSES, MAINLY FOR TRAFFIC. BUT FOR OTHER PURPOSES, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE 1000 FRIENDS OF FLORIDA. DEVELOPMENT SEMINAR THAT OKAY, COMMISSIONER BRUNER I WENT TO SEVERAL YEARS AGO AT THE IRC WOLF CENTER THAT REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL HOSTED. IT WAS GOOD. YEAH. VICE MAYOR. I MEAN, I. FOR ME WHEN I LOOK AT PROPERTY RIGHTS. APPROVING VARIANCES DOES NOT INFRINGE, UH, REJECTING THE APPROVAL OF VARIANCES. DOES NOT INFRINGE ON SOMEONE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS. UM I DIFFERENTIATE THOSE TWO AND I.
ALSO DIFFERENTIATE THE WAY I FEEL WHEN PROPERTIES ARE WITHIN THE SIERRA AND WHEN THEY'RE OUT OF THE SIERRA AND. THAT BEING SAID. THAT THE MORE PROJECTS AND THE AMOUNT WE HAVE IN THE PIPELINE. MEANS OVERALL, EVERYTHING HAS TO THE BAR FOR BARE MINIMUM. HAS TWO INCH HIGHER AND HIGHER EVERY TIME. BUT. JUST KNOWING THAT WE HAVE PORTS ST LUCIE NORTH OF US AND MARTIN COUNTY, AND I KNOW THE MESSAGE HAS BEEN MIXED THROUGHOUT THE. THE YEARS, BUT I THINK THE FIVE OF US UP HERE NO. THAT THE REALITY IS MARTIN COUNTY'S GOT A LOT LARGER PROJECTS ON THE BOOKS AND IN THEIR PIPELINE THAT WE DO. AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO EVEN TOUCHING PORTS. ST LUCIE BUT THAT'S A FIGHT. I WILL HAPPILY GIVE UP. I'M NOT TRYING TO COMPETE WITH ANY OF THEM. IN TERMS OF A MATTER OF GROWTH, BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE WHEN YOU DO THAT, THAT AFFECTS YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE. AND WE WORKED FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE NOW AND SO. QUALITY OF LIFE. I DO. I DO AGREE WITH YOU ON THE VACANT LOTS THAT ARE IN THE C R A. AND THAT SHOULD BE OUR FOCUS. I THINK WE'VE ALL STATED THAT. UNANIMOUSLY I THINK, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT C R A AGAIN I'M I'M GOING TO BE VERY RELUCTANT. ON ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND STRAIGHT STRAIGHT ZONE. MADAM MAYOR. I KNOW I SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD ON THIS, BUT I JUST FEEL COMPELLED TO HAVE TO SAY IT AGAIN. AND I KNOW EVERYONE LOVES US SIERRA. I LOVE THE SIERRA. IT DOES A LOT OF GOOD WORK. BUT IT'S THE STUFF OUTSIDE THE SIERRA THAT PAYS FOR YOUR POLICE AND YOUR FIRE AND YOUR PUBLIC WORKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND WE ALREADY DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF IT IN THE PIPELINE. FIVE. YEAH. AND TO BE CLEAR, VICE MERA. YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER SAID AND I WILL NEVER SAY AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US BELIEVE THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO COMPETE WITH THE NEIGHBORING COUNTIES OR CITIES ON GROWTH AT ALL. IN FACT, WE.
WE'RE TRYING TO RESPOND TO DEAL WITH AND A LITTLE BIT OF A LITTLE BIT OF THAT IS SOME GROWTH SO THAT WE CAN BUILD UP SOME TAX BASE TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THOSE CHALLENGES, BUT. AND REHOUSE THEM HERE, BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT COMPETITION. UM NO, WE'LL NEVER WIN THAT FIGHT, AND I AGREE. THAT'S THAT'S NOT THE CITY THAT WE ARE. HAS SOME BEEN SOME RESPONSE. YEAH BUT WHAT MAKES US THE CHARMING CITY IS THAT FOUR STORY HEIGHT LIMIT IS THAT RIGHT LOWER GROWTH. THEN A
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LOT AND THEN THE AVERAGE FLORIDA ON MOST COASTLINE. SO IS STORMWATER. I MEAN, IT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. GOOD FOR WHERE YOU ARE. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK AFTER THE HOLIDAYS. I DEFINITELY LOOK FORWARD TO IT. ADJUSTING. OUR CODES FOR STORMWATER AND ADDING THOSE NO AND THERE'LL BE CERTAIN PROJECTS THAT. WE MAY HAVE PROVEN MAYBE WANT TO PROVE, I GUESS BEFORE STICKING. HELP. TO IT. I HEAR WHERE COMMISSIONER BRUNER IS COMING FROM. WHAT SPAWNED THIS DISCUSSION, THOUGH, AND THE POWER IS IN OUR HANDS FOR A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS. WE JUST SIMPLY. CAN SAY NO AND THEY CAN BUILD BY RIGHT IF THEY WANT TO. WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE THESE VARIOUS. AMEN THANK YOU, MR BROWN. ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE DISCUSSION SO FAR, IT'S BEEN EXCELLENT COMMISSIONERS. UM WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOAR? I'D LIKE TO A JOURNALIST MEETIN.LET'S STAY LOUD, A COUPLE OUT ANYTHING ELSE WE BRING UP THESE TOPICS GET US TO HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION, AND THEN WE WANT TO GO HOME. MICHAEL SIT HERE WITH YOU, OKAY?
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.