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GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. I'M MERIT. MATHESON MAYOR OF THE CITY OF STEWART, AND I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER A REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING. JULY 25TH 5 30 PM WEARING STUART CITY HALL.
PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MAYOR MATHESON, VICE MAYOR MCDONALD, BRUNER, COMMISSIONER CLARK. AND COMMISSIONER MEYER HERE. DID YOU HAVE A QUORUM? PLEASE RISE AND SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WITH ME. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. HMM. OUR FIRST ORDER
[1. WITHAM FIELD AIRPORT PRESENTATION]
OF BUSINESS. TONIGHT IS A PRESENTATION. AND THE WIDTH AND FIELD. AIRPORT. YES, SIR.MEASURES THIS IS MR CARVER. HE WORKS THE COUNTY FOR AT THE AIRPORT WITHIN FIELD AND THEY'VE BEEN GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO COME FORWARD TO DO A PRESENTATION AS IT RELATES TO, UH WITH AND FIELD . THIS WAS THE ONE THAT COMMISSIONER CLARK HAD ASKED FOR SPECIFICALLY AS IT RATES RATES RELATES TO THE 60 D N L AND ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE FOR THAT 62, YOU KNOW. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU, UM SO HE PRETTY MUCH SUMMED IT UP WHILE WE'RE HERE IS FOR THE NEW NOISE EXPOSURE MAP, WHICH WERE REQUIRED TO DO BY THE FEDERAL AVIATION MINISTRATIONS EVERY SOFT AND TO RECEIVE CERTAIN FUNDING, AND WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO UPDATE THE CITY OF STEWART WITH OUR WITH OUR NEW INFORMATION WE HAVE AND WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IT MIGHT HAVE ON YOU. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MR MIKE ARNOLD. HE'S WITH ESA. THERE ARE CONSULTANT ONE OF THE TOP AIRPORT NOISE CONSULTANTS IN THE COUNTRY, SO HE'S GOING TO GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THAT. AND THEN WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. THANK YOU. AND FOR THE RECORD, LET US WELCOME COMMISSIONER CLARK. YOU'RE WELCOME. THEIR COMMISSIONERS GLAD TO BE HERE WITH YOU THIS EVENING. YOU HEARD SAM TALKED ABOUT PART 1 50 STUDY. HEART. 1 50 REFERS TO TITLE 14 OF THE CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS PART 1 50 SO PART 1 50 IS SHORT FOR THAT FEDERAL REGULATION. AND THE PART 1 50 PROCESS IS ESSENTIALLY THE MECHANISM THAT AIRPORTS CAN USE TO EVALUATE THE NOISE EXPOSURE. HOW THAT AIRCRAFT OPERATION AFFECTS THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND EVALUATE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES AND MEASURES TO REDUCE THOSE IMPACTS. IT IS, AS I INDICATED A FEDERALLY FEDERALLY REGULATED PROCESS THAT INCLUDES A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT STEPS IN THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT UNDERTOOK AS PART OF THIS UPDATE WAS TO UPDATE THE NOISE EXPOSURE MAP SO THAT WE COULD BETTER UNDERSTAND THE CURRENT NOISE ENVIRONMENT. ESSENTIALLY WE INVENTORY ALL OF THE AIRCRAFT AND OPERATIONAL ACTIVITY AT THE AIRPORT. WE INPUT THAT INFORMATION INTO A MODEL THAT THE FAA HAS DEVELOPED. GENERATE A SERIES OF NOISE CONTOURS. THOSE NOISE CONTOURS ARE OVERLAID ON LAND USE MAPS AND THOSE LAND USE MAPS. HELP US UNDERSTAND THOSE AREAS OF COMPATIBILITY AND NON COMPATIBILITY. AROUND THE AIRPORT. SAM ALLUDED. IT'S IMPORTANT PROCESS BECAUSE IT DOES ALLOW ACCESS TO THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS IF WE DO HAVE NON COMPATIBLE AND USES, FEDERAL FUNDING CAN BE SECURED TO ASSIST IN MITIGATING THOSE IMPACTS. THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. UM. NOT ONLY ARE WE EVALUATING AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT NOISE ENVIRONMENT IS, BUT WE'RE ALSO CONDUCTING A SERIES OF OUTREACH MEETINGS WITH VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING THE COMMUNITY. TO REALLY WORK THROUGH THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE USE AND DEVELOPING THE MODEL AND THE MODEL INPUTS AND HOW WE ANALYZE NOISE AND NOISE EFFECTS ON THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT RIGHT. WE WANT TO WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDERS SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE FEDERAL PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. THIS PROCESS IS THE SAME PROCESS THAT EVERY AIRPORT IN THE UNITED STATES HAS TO FOLLOW FEDERAL AGENCIES ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THE FEDERAL AGENCIES REFERRED TO THE FAA RELATIVE TO THE EVALUATION AND CALCULATION OF AIRPORT NOISE. THE AIRPORT HAS UNDERTAKEN A NUMBER OF PROCESS PART ONE FIFTIES. PREVIOUSLY FIRST ONE WAS BACK IN 2004. SECOND ONE WAS IN 2010 AND THEN ANOTHER UPDATE IN 2014. THIS UPDATE IS ESSENTIALLY LOOKING AT WHAT THE NOISE EXPOSURE
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CONDITIONS ARE PREDICTED TO BE IN THE 22,020 21 TIME FRAME AND THEN 2026 TIMEFRAME FIVE YEARS INTO THE FUTURE. SO WE LOOK AT THE OPERATIONAL ACTIVITY AS I INDICATED, BUT WE ALSO LOOK AT HOW ACTIVITY IS EXPECTED TO CHANGE OVER TIME, AND IT CAN CHANGE IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS. AND THOSE WAYS ARE THE CHANGE IN AIRCRAFT OPERATIONAL LEVELS OR THE CHANGE IN THE FLEET THAT IS OPERATING AT THE AIRPORT. YOU COULD HAVE AIRFIELD MODIFICATIONS THAT COULD RESULT IN CHANGES OF HOW THE AIRCRAFT OPERATE. AH F A IS PART OF PART 1 50 IS IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF LAND USE GUIDELINES. THESE ARE DIFFERENT LAND USE TYPES, AS WELL AS DIFFERENT LEVELS OF NOISE EXPOSURE. THEY DON'T MEASURE NOISE EXPOSURE ON AN INDIVIDUAL AIRCRAFT BASIS, BUT THEY LOOK AT IT ON A CUMULATIVE BASIS. SO WE LOOK AT THE AVERAGE ANNUAL DAY NOISE EXPOSURE. WHEN LOOKING AT COMPATIBILITY. AND SO THE 65 D N L. CONTOUR IS THE THRESHOLD BEYOND WHICH THE FAA CONSIDERS ALL LAND USES COMPATIBLE. AND AGAIN, THAT'S A ACCUMULATIVE MEASURE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN GO OUT AND MEASURE IN THE FIELD. UH, IT'S A CUMULATIVE METRIC THE CITY OF STEWART HAS ADOPTED. I'M SORRY. THE MARTIN COUNTY HAS ADOPTED THE 60 D N L CONTOUR, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE FAA DOES WITH THEIR LAND USE. GUIDANCE IS SAYS IF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY IS ADOPTED A LOWER THRESHOLD FOR COMPATIBILITY, THEY WILL RECOGNIZE THAT THRESHOLD IN THOSE AREAS WITHIN THAT THRESHOLD CAN BE ELIGIBLE. FOR THAT FEDERAL FUNDING AND THAT SIMILAR TYPE OF CONSIDERATION. SO MARTIN COUNTY HAS MOVED FORWARD WITH ADOPTING THE 60 D N L CONTOUR. I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THAT MEANS A LITTLE BIT LATER IN TODAY'S PRESENTATION. UH, BUT AT THIS POINT, THE CITY OF STEWART HAS NOT SO AS WE WORK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT THAT MEANS. I TALKED ABOUT NOISE MODELING. WE DO LOOK AT A FULL YEAR'S WORTH OF OPERATIONAL ACTIVITY. WE LOOK AT FIGHT TRACKS OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR. YOU LOOK AT THE METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS THAT OCCUR DURING THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. THE HOTTER THE WEATHER IS THE LONGER IT TAKES AN AIRCRAFT TO CLIMB THE GREATER THAN NOISE EXPOSURE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AIRCRAFT. WE ALSO LOOK AT THE TIME OF DAY AND NIGHT TIME OPERATIONS ARE MORE ANNOYING. AND THEY ARE MORE HEAVILY WEIGHTED WEIGHTED IN THE MODELING EFFORTS, SO THEY RECEIVE A 10 TIME WAITING. VERSUS A DAYTIME OPERATION SO EVERY NIGHT TIME OPERATION COUNTS AS 10 DAYTIME OPERATIONS WE LOOK AT THE LENGTH OF FLIGHT THAT AIRCRAFT ARE TAKING BECAUSE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE FLYING LONGER DISTANCE HAVE FIRED HIGHER FUEL LOADS HEAVIER THEY GENERALLY CREATE. THEY HAVE A HIGHER NOISE, UM, PROFILE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. AND THEN WE LOOK AT OTHER OPERATIONAL FACTORS SUCH AS RUNWAY USE, WHICH DETERMINES WHICH AREAS AROUND THE COMMUNITY ARE BEING EXPOSED TO NOISE. ONE OF THE NICE THINGS FOR THIS UPDATE IS THAT THE AIRPORT DOES HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT PROVIDES US VERY DETAILED OPERATIONAL INFORMATION FLIGHT TRACKING INFORMATION AND CLEAT MIX INFORMATION. IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST DETAILED INFORMATION WE'VE HAD FOR THIS PARTICULAR AIRPORT OR STUDIES HAVE HAD FOR THIS PARTICULAR AIRPORT ANY TIME. AH IN THE PAST. SO THE OUTPUT OF THE MODELING EFFORT OR A SERIES OF NOISE CONTOURS ON THE SCREEN TO ORIENT YOU THE OUTERMOST CONTOURS AS THE 60 D N L CONTOUR. THE SOLID LINE. IS THE 2021 PROJECTED, OR I SHOULD SAY 2020 PROJECTED CONTOUR INTERVAL. THE DASH LINE IS THE 2025 PROJECTED CONTOUR INTERVAL SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE DASH LINE ACTUALLY INCREASES OVER TIME BASED ON HOW ACTIVITY IS EXPECTED TO CHANGE. AT THE AIRPORT AS TIME GOES ON. IN THE MAP. UNDERNEATH IT IS A LAND USE MAP THAT DEPICTS DIFFERENT TYPES OF LAND USE WITH VARIOUS COMPATIBILITY IS RELATIVE TO AIRCRAFT OPERATION. THE YELLOW AREAS ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS, THE ORANGE AREAS OR MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS. WE ALSO LOOK AT OTHER NOISE COMPATIBLE LAND USES, SUCH AS SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, UM, THAT TYPE OF THING. HOSPITALS. THE BLUE LINE. THE WHICH YOU CAN SEE IS A LITTLE CLOSER INTO THE AIRPORT. THAT'S WHAT THE FAA LOOKS AT. WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE 65 D N L. THAT'S THE FEDERAL STANDARD. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE USING. WITHIN THE CITY OF STUART SO YOU CAN SEE STEWART AND THE BLUE LINE REALLY JUST ENCOMPASSES AN AREA OF BLUE AREA THAT'S REALLY INDUSTRIAL LAND USE UP IN THE NORTH SIDE OF THE AIRPORT. UM SOME OF THAT LAND USED TO BE[00:10:07]
RESIDENTIAL. IT WAS ACQUIRED AND CONVERTED TO INDUSTRIAL LAND USE THE HOMES WERE REMOVED. A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AS A MITIGATING AS PART OF A MITIGATION PROGRAM. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THOSE RESIDENTIAL AFTER THE SOUTHEAST WITHIN THE 60, YOU KNOW, CONTOUR. UM AND WE'LL TALK JUST ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT WITHIN THE 60 AND 65 HERE. IN THE CITY OF STEWART. YOU CAN SEE THAT. I GUESS IT'S 15TH AND 16TH, QUART 15TH AND 16TH STREET. GENERALLY THOSE AREAS ARE THE AREAS THAT FALL WITHIN THE 60. BUT OUTSIDE THE 65 D N L CONTOUR UM, WHEN LOOKING AT. THE OVER OVERALL LAND USES IN THE AREAS THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED NON COMPATIBLE. WITH NOISE EXPOSURE FROM THE OPERATION OF THE AIRPORT. IF WE LOOK AT THE AREA WITHIN THE D N L 60 TO 65 167 HOUSING UNITS THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN THAT CONTOUR INTERVAL OVERALL. UM WE ONLY HAVE 63 OF THOSE HOUSING UNITS THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED NON COMPATIBLE. THOSE ARE THE HOUSING UNITS THAT SET WITHIN AH, MARTIN CONEY. THERE'S 104 HOUSING UNITS WITHIN THE CITY OF STEWART THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED COMPATIBLE BECAUSE THE CITY OF STEWART HAS NOT ADOPTED THE 60 D. N L CONTOUR AS ITS THRESHOLD AS OF SOME SIGNIFICANCE. SO MARTIN COUNTY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURSUE FEDERAL FUNDING FOR POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL SUN INSULATION PROGRAM GOING THROUGH A TESTING PROCESS TO SEE IF THOSE HOMES WOULD BE ELIGIBLE. UM AND AT THIS POINT THOSE AREAS WITHIN THE CITY OF STEWART OR NOT SO ONE THING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED MOVING FORWARD. IS ADOPTING THE D N L 60 CONTOUR. AH BOTH IN ZONING AND LAND USE AND YOU KNOW, TO GET THAT FEDERAL CONSIDERATION WITH FUTURE STUDIES. AND I'M HAPPY TO PAUSE AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. I HAVE A FINAL KIND OF WRAP UP SLIDE, BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE QUESTION WELL. SO ARE YOU SAYING NO FEDERAL FUNDING WAS EVER ELIGIBLE FOR CITY OF STEWART RESIDENTS BECAUSE THE CITY HISTORICALLY DIDN'T ADOPT THE SAME I'M SAYING BASED REGULATION TO THE COUNTY DID I'M SAYING BASED ON CURRENT STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES, UH, BIG BECAUSE THE MARK MARTIN CONEY DID TAKE THE STEP OF ADOPTING THE DENIAL. 60 CONTOUR. UM THEY ARE POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE FOR CONSIDERATION UNDER FEDERAL FUNDING, SO IT'S NOT ONLY ADAPTING THAT, BUT IT'S IMPLEMENTING IT AND ENFORCING IT THAT THE FAA LOOKS AT AND SINCE DOES THAT NOT ENCOMPASSED CITY RESIDENTS WHO ARE IN MARTIN COUNTY THAT DOES NOT INCUR CURRENTLY ENCOMPASSED CITY RESIDENTS SO CITY RESIDENTS ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE WELL OUTSIDE THE 65, D AND ALL CONTOUR, WHICH IS THE FEDERAL STANDARD AT THIS POINT. NOW THERE, THERE ARE MANY AIRPORTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY , MANY JURISDICTIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, ONLY A HANDFUL OF THEM HAVE ADOPTED THE D. N L 60 AS THEIR THRESHOLD. OF SIGNIFICANCE. SO COUPLE OF FLORIDA IN PARTICULAR A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT HAVE ADOPTED THAT CITY OF NAPLES AND COLLIER COUNTY, ORANGE COUNTY, UH, LEE COUNTY CITY OF ORLANDO. UM THERE MAY BE ONE OR TWO OTHERS, BUT IT'S A IT'S A SHORT LIST. IS THERE A DION? HELL 55 OR 50.YEAH THERE ARE D N L CONTOURS. THEY GO FURTHER OUT SO SOME CITIES AND COUNTIES HAVE ADOPTED NOTIFICATIONS WITHIN THE 50 D AND ALL CONTOUR THAT BASICALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY IF YOU LIVE WITHIN THESE AREAS AROUND AN AIRPORT, YOU MAY BE EXPOSED TO T AIRCRAFT, OVERFLIGHTS AND NOISE THAT MAY BE OF A LEVEL THAT YOU KNOW YOU MADE. MAYBE CONCERNED ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THAT EVERYONE SENSITIVITY TWO AIRCRAFT NOISE AND OVERFLIGHTS IS FAIRLY SO. UM BUT AT DISCLOSURE HELPS PEOPLE GO IN, YOU KNOW IT HELPS THEM BE AWARE. AND WE'RE UNFORTUNATELY SEEING A LOT OF, UM AH, A LOT OF SIGHT UNSEEN RESIDENTIAL PURCHASES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE GOING INTO AN AREA AREAS AROUND AIRPORTS, WHERE THEY HAVE NO IDEA THAT THEY'RE AFFECTED BY AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS. AND SO IT GIVES YOU SOME SAFEGUARDS AND BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THESE DIFFERENT DEGREES OF ADOPTION WOULD. BARRY AND THE FEDERAL FUNDING ELIGIBILITY. THE ONLY ONE THAT THE FEDERAL FUNDING APPLIES TO WOULD REALLY BE THE AREA THAT YOU'RE RESTRICTING DEVELOPMENT WITH IT. SO IF THERE'S AN AREA THAT YOU'RE RESTRICTING DEVELOPMENT IN THAT GOES BEYOND THE 65. GENERAL CONTOUR. YOU'RE INDICATING THAT THAT AREA IS CONSIDERED NON COMPATIBLE THAT THE CITY IS NOW GOING TO ENFORCE ACTIONS TO UM TO. ENSURE THAT NO
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FUTURE NON COMPATIBLE LAND USES GO INTO THOSE AREAS AND LIKELY HAVE SOME TYPE OF PROVISION THAT IF SOMETHING WERE TO OCCUR TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLDS WITHIN THOSE AREAS, WHERE A SIGNIFICANT THEY HAD TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY REBUILT OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT THAT THAT LAND USE WITH BE CONVERTED AT THAT POINT IN TIME, AND ONE FINAL QUESTION THAT I KNOW MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE SOME COACH BUT HISTORICALLY SPEAKING WITH THE TECHNOLOGY IMPROVING IF NOTHING WAS TO CHANGE. AND WITH, UM, FIELD. ONE WOULD THINK OR HOPE THAT FLIGHTS WOULD BE GETTING QUIETER. YEAH, ACCURATE OR IT IS IN FLIGHTS HAVE ACTUALLY GOTTEN A LOT QUIETER OVER TIME SINCE THE ORIGINAL STUDY WAS DONE, UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WE CALL THEM NOISE STAGES. THESE NOISE STAGES ARE OUR REQUIREMENTS UNDER WHICH DIFFERENT AIRCRAFT TYPES ARE CERTIFIED. AND AT THE TIME THEY'RE CERTIFIED. THEY HAVE TO MEET EACH SPECIFIC. YOU KNOW HE'S STAGE WHATEVER'S IN PLACE AT THAT TIME. THE OLDEST NOISE STAGE WE HAD OPERATING AT THE TIME. THE FIRST STUDY WAS DONE. HERE WAS NOISE STAGE TWO. UM AND THOSE AIRCRAFT ARE QUITE FRANKLY , VERY NOISY NOISE. STAGE TWO PHASED OUT IN DECEMBER OF 2015 F A. THERE WAS A FEDERAL LAW THAT WAS PASSED THAT BASICALLY INDICATED. NO MORE FLIGHTS OF THESE AIRCRAFT WITHIN THE CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES, EXCEPT UNDER CERTAIN VERY SPECIFIC PROVISIONS. UM SO THAT GOT MANY OF THE NOISIER AIRCRAFT OUT OF THE FLEET. THEN THERE'S STATE NOISE. STAGE THREE. NOISE.STAGE FOUR AND NOISE STAGE FIVE, WHICH ARE THE QUIETEST AIRCRAFT OPERATING THROUGHOUT THE FLEET TODAY. NOISE. STAGE THREE BASED ON ANALYSIS WE'VE DONE AT OTHER AIRPORTS IS ABOUT 15% OF THE GENERAL AVIATION FLEET. SO THEY HAVE ALREADY TRANSITIONED QUITE A BIT OUT OF THE FLEET AS TIME HAS GONE ON, BUT THERE'S STILL ARE NOISE. STAGE THREE AIRCRAFT , THERE'S 15% STILL QUITE A FEW OF THEM. THERE IS NO CURRENT FEDERAL PLAN TO PHASE THOSE AIRCRAFT OUT. UM BUT THE THEY'RE LESS EFFICIENT, MORE COSTLY TO OPERATE, AND SO JUST THROUGH ATTRITION AND TIME WE SEE THOSE AIRCRAFT STARTING TO PHASE OUT. SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU SEE AIRCRAFT OPERATING AT THE AIRPORT AND ONE AIRCRAFT MAY SEEM VERY QUIET, AND ANOTHER MAY SEEM VERY LOUD, MAYBE THAT NOISE STAGE THREE UH, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE THE CATEGORY THAT THAT AIRCRAFT WAS ORIGINALLY CERTIFIED UNDER. THANK YOU BASICALLY WANT TO FINISH TROY IN HERE REAL QUICK. I WANT TO JUST ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, UH, I SERVED HAVE ACTUALLY A LONG HISTORY AT THE AIRPORT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY I CAME TO STEWART TO BUILD ENOUGH TO BUILD ONE OF THE F. B. O S S GENERAL MANAGER AND UH, SORT OF THEM THE AID NECK YEARS AGO AND WE ACTUALLY THE CITY OF STEWART. IN 2012 AND 2013 DID A LOT OF WORK TOWARDS, UH, MOVING FORWARD ON THE D N L 60. IN FACT, WE EVEN PASSED AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT THAT WE SENT OVER TO THE COUNTY THAT UNFORTUNATELY, THE COUNTY COMMISSION NEVER EVEN TOOK IT UP. UM BUT WE HAD SOME CONCERNS AT THE TIME YOU MENTIONED THE HOUSE STREET WHERE THE HOUSE HAS GOT TORN DOWN. THEY USED NOISE MONEY TO TEAR HOUSES DOWN, BUT WE ALL KNOW IT'S WATER UNDER BRIDGE, BUT THEY WERE IN THE RUNWAY PROTECTION ZONE. UM THAT'S WHY I GOT NOTHING CAN BE DONE ON THAT PROPERTY NOW AT ALL, BASICALLY, UM THEN IN 20, AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IN 2012 2013 WE WERE LOOKING AT , UH, WE WANTED TO COUNTY TO GUARANTEE THAT THEY WENT USED THE NOISE MONEY TO TAKE A WHOLE BUNCH OF HOUSES DOWN AND WE ARE CONSULTANT THAT WE HIRED SAID THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY AN ACCEPTABLE TERM COUNTY WAS NOT INTERESTED. WE WERE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING ANOTHER. STREET OR TWO PROBABLY WAS AT 15TH AND 16TH. I THINK IT WAS WHAT THE TWO STREETS ARE AND SO BUT WE DID THAT. WE WERE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE AT THE TIME THERE WAS A BIG PUSH AND THE CONSULTANT AND I WAS LISA. HER NAME GEORGE. YES OKAY. AND, UM AND WE'RE SPEAKING WITH HER. AH AND IF I REMEMBER THIS CORRECTLY, AND GEORGE WILL CERTAINLY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. UM THE IS THAT, UH, THE WHEN THE CITY WOULD BE INCLUDED IN GATHERING THAT OUR DATA INCLUDES GRANITE GRANT, BUT BUT THERE WAS NOTHING THAT ENSURE GUARANTEED THAT WOULD MONEY FOR UM, INSULATION AND NOISE.
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HARDENING THE HOUSES WOULD BE SPENT EQUITABLY WITHIN OUR CITY RESIDENTS TO FINANCIAL. UM THE INCOME LEVEL IN THE HOUSING PRICE LEVEL OF THE HOUSES IN THE CITY ON THE NORTH SIDE AIRPORT VERSUS THE DIFFERENCE IN A LOT OF THE HOUSES ON THE SOUTH ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. THEY'RE NOT WATERFRONT PROPERTIES. THEY'RE MUCH OLDER, THEY'RE MUCH SMALLER. AND SO. WE HAD A CONCERN ABOUT THAT. UH I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT DOING YOU KNOW WE COULD ENSURE THAT WE CAN PROTECT OUR CITY RESIDENTS DOING THE 60 D N L WOULD BE GOOD, BUT IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING, BUT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A SITUATION WHERE, BECAUSE AGAIN AT THE TIME. AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY AND PLEASE, IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS, UM, THAT IF THERE WAS A MAJOR DAMAGE TO A HOME OR SOMEONE A MAJOR RECONSTRUCTION, JUST LIKE IF THEY'RE WITH THEME IF THERE'S SO MUCH MONEY YOU SPEND YOU HAVE TO GO IN AND DO THE DO THE NOISE PROOFING AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS GRANT MONEY AVAILABLE FOR FOLKS BECAUSE AGAIN AT THE WHEN I WENT BACK, AND AT THE TIME WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF THE HOMES WITHIN THE WHAT? THERE WAS THE 60 D N L AT THAT TIME, WHICH I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. MAYBE BECAUSE THE QUIETER JETS IT'S ACTUALLY SHRUNK. IT LOOKS LIKE IT. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SHRUNK. UH THERE WHEN YOU STARTED LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURE OF VALUE OF A LOT OF THOSE HOMES, THEY WERE 25 $30,000. IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT MUCH OF A ROOF FROM WINDOWS. AND A NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE HITTING HALF OF THE COST OF THE STRUCTURAL VALUE IN LEADING INTO THAT 50% MODE, WHERE YOU HAVE TO PUT START PUTTING IN MORE THAT BEING SAID. I DO THINK THAT OH, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE OR AND, UM, NOW AND ALSO WITH THE, UH AND WITH THE ESPECIALLY WITH THE SHRINKAGE, THERE'S BUT THE BIG THING IS, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE US LOSE.TWO MORE ONE OR TWO OR THREE MORE STREETS OF HOUSING. YEAH, UM COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? YEAH ICEMAN CRIME HAVING RELAPSES LOOKING? WHERE'S COMMISSIONER SMITH? I'M USUALLY LOOKING USED TO LOOKING RIGHT AT COMMISSIONER SMITH. UM YEAH, THERE. SO WE ARE THE GRANT RECIPIENTS. SO WE ARE BOUND BY THE GRANT SPONSOR, WHICH IS THE FAA IN COMMISSIONER, YOU ARE CORRECT.
AT THE TIME THE FAA WAS INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THE HOMES IN THE RUNWAY PROTECTION ZONE. BUT THEN THE COUNTY MODIFIED IT'S I BELIEVE IT'S NCP AND WE HIRED DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS AS I SEE IT VERY, BY THE WAY, I'M VERY HAPPY, LISA. I'M VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT. I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT COUNTY DOESN'T NEED ANOTHER LAWSUIT.
SO, UM THE SO THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE IN DIRECTION IN THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND I COMPLETELY SEE WHERE THE CITY HAS THAT CONCERN BECAUSE YOU'RE LOSING THAT TAX BASE AND THEN YOU BASICALLY HAVE PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT BECOME AVAILABLE TO ANYTHING. THE F AFTER THE MEETING WE HAD IN 2012 OCTOBER. 5TH 2012 REMEMBER WAS MY MOM'S BIRTHDAY? UM WE HAD THE FAA. WE'VE HAD SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS AFTERWARDS, AND THE FAA HAS BACKED OFF OF THE WHOLE HOUSES CAN'T BE IN ROMAN PROTECTION ZONES. THEY KIND OF FIGURED OUT THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE THESE BELLS HAVE ALREADY BEEN LOST BECAUSE THEIR LEAST THERE'S HOUSES SOUTH OF US. THEY HAVE BEEN AND RUNWAY PROTECTION ZONES FOR DECADES, INCLUDING OUR OWN. SO, UM I, YOU KNOW, R N C P THE WAY THEIR NOISE COMPARABILITY PLAYING THE WAY IT SITS RIGHT NOW AT THE COUNTY AS WE HAVE ADOPTED THE 60 D N L. IF THE HOME BURNS TO THE FOUNDATION. THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS THEY HAVE TO BUILD BACK WITH THE 25 DECIBEL REDUCTION AND TO MEET THE NEW FLORIDA BUILDING CODE. THAT'S BASICALLY THROUGH THE BUILDING CODE AND THE REQUIREMENT FROM THE COUNTY. AND THEN, UM, THAT'S IT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU GUYS WOULD BE PHASE FIVE. UM, I GUESS TO PUT IT VERY SIMPLY IF YOU ADOPT IT, YOU'RE ELIGIBLE. IF YOU DON'T ADOPT IT , YOU'RE NOT ELIGIBLE UNDER THE FAA. THERE'S NOTHING THE COUNTY CAN DO ABOUT THAT IS, YOU KNOW THERE'S NO FAA GRANTS NOTHING AND WE CAN GET A GUARANTEE THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA COME IN IF WE ADOPTED AND TAKE A SWATH OF MONEY HERE DOWN TWO STREETS ONE OR TWO STREETS OF HOUSES. I CAN'T GUARANTEE I MEAN, I'M SURE OUR STAFF CAN WORK IF YOU WANT.
THERE ARE LOCAL. WE CAN WORK ON THEIR LOCAL. BUT I YEAH, THERE'S NO PLANS TO BUY LAND WAS THERE BEFORE WELL ON PLANS, BUT THAT WAS BEFORE ME BEING THE GUY SINCE 2010 SO I GO BACK. I'M STARTING TO FEEL REALLY OLD. I GO BACK TO THE FIRST THE FIRST ARROW THING ON THE SLIDE, SO I WOULD NORMALLY HAVE SAM COME UP HERE. BUT COMMISSIONER MCDONNELL , YOU AND I HAVE BEEN AT THAT SAME MEETING. YEAH WELL, SECRET BUILDING THAT THEY DON'T LET YOU IN UNLESS THEY SEE MY FACE AND WE'VE HAD MANY. WE'VE HAD MANY SPIRITED DEBATES OVER THIS OVER THE YEARS. SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR
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CONCERN. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING IN. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ORCHESTRATE THAT.I'M SURE THE ATTORNEYS CAN GET TOGETHER AND THINK OF SOMETHING ALONG THAT GEORGE GEORGE. I HEARD THAT WE ENDED AFTER OUR OWN OUR OWN ORDINANCE. WE COULDN'T DO AN INTER LOCAL. WELL WE DID WE ADOPT YOUR OWN ORDINANCE. BUT MAYBE THERE'S ABOUT THE AND THE ADULTS OF THE ACCEPTING A GRANT FROM THE FAA FOR PHASE FIVE. SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, AND THEN WE CAN WE CAN BE OPEN TO THAT. UM, I MEAN, MY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S GOING TO SOUND REALLY AWKWARD FROM A COUNTY EMPLOYEE. BUT MY I REALIZED CITY OF STEWART RESIDENTS ARE COUNTY RESIDENTS.
UM JUST THANK YOU BUY THAT. AND WHERE IS HELEN MCBRIDE? YOU'RE SURE THIS IS ON TV? AND I LOVE HELEN MCBRIDE. WE ALL DO. UM YOU KNOW, SO WE WANT THEM TO BE ENTITLED TO THE SAME BENEFITS AS THE PEOPLE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE YEAR. YEAH THAT'S THE WAY OF THIS BODY WANTS TO GO. IF NOT, THAT'S FINE. NO MATTER WHAT THE COUNTY IS STILL THE GRAND ADMINISTRATOR YES. IF WE CHOOSE TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE, WE WOULD THEN NEED AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED A NEURO LOCAL, BUT WE CAN WORK ON ONE OF THAT PROVIDES DIDN'T WANT ONE IN 2012 HAPPY TO DO THAT. YOU'LL SEE IN OUR IN THE GRANT APPLICATION. WE WILL NOT PUT AN ACQUISITION. IF YOU LOOK IN OUR FACE THREE AND FOUR. WE DON'T HAVE ACQUISITION. I WAS THE ONLY YEAR WELL, I AM MIKE MOON WERE THE ONLY TWO AIRPORT MANAGERS TO GO AND BUY PROPERTY AND I DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN. SO ALL WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IN THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE AIRPORT.
IS THEY TEST AND THEN THE INSULATE, AND THEN THEY'RE REPLACED. TYPICALLY YOUR WINDOWS YOUR DOORS, AIR CONDITIONING, AND THEN THERE'S SOME INSULATION IN THE ROOF AND THE WALLS. I KNOW WE SHOULD HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER CLARK WANTED TO STEP ASIDE. SHE WANTS TO TALK TO MR TALK TO YOU, GEORGE. OKAY HERE. HOLD ON WATER NOW. SO I'M SO GLAD. THANK YOU. I'M SO GLAD THAT COMMISSIONER MCDONALD BROUGHT THAT UP. AND YES, IN FULL DISCLOSURE. I LIVE AT 100.
WHATEVER ITS PROPERTY. DON'T WANT THAT. YEAH TAKEN AWAY, AND NEITHER DOES THE EARTH PERSON WHO LIVES IN THE COUNTY KIND OF BECAUSE OF YOUR YOUR WHOLE AREA. BUT YES, WE ARE IN THE CITY AND WE'RE COUNTY RESIDENTS WERE IN THE CITY, SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT IT UP AND EXPLAINED IT ALL THE WAY TO THE TO THE BACK IN 2012 2013 THE STORY IN YEAH, YEAH, I'M PART OF THE CLUB NOW.
YEAH I WAS GONNA ASK FOR SOME MORE TAIL BECAUSE I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT BEFORE ABOUT JUST BRINGING UP THE HISTORY AND I KNOW YOU'VE SERVED ON THE ENAC AND OTHER COMMISSIONS HAVE SERVED HAD NOT SERVED ON EVEN THOUGH I LIVED THERE AND I'M AFFECTED DIRECTLY. BUT NOW I'M ON THE ENACT, AND I WANTED TO ASK JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT JUST FOR THE PUBLIC. HOW MUCH IS BEING SPENT ON THAT EAST SIDE WHERE THE HOUSES ARE GOING NOW? JUST TELL US HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'RE SPENDING ON WINDOWS AND DOORS RIGHT OFF OF ST LOUIS AND BOULEVARD OFF OF THE GOLF COURSE AREA FOR THE COUNTY FOR THOSE IN THE COUNTY THAT GRANT MONEY IS IT TOTAL GRANT PROJECT WHEN I TOOK IT OVER IT'S KIND OF IT'S SUCH AN OLD GRANT IS KIND OF TURNED INTO ACCOUNT. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE MADE MONEY ON SOME OF THOSE HOUSES BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTY MARKET FLUX. I'D SAY TOTALS THAT THE ACCOUNTS RUN ANYWHERE FROM 10 MILLION TO THREE MILLION WERE WHEN WERE DWINDLING IT DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE NOT BUYING PROPERTY AND SELLING PROPERTY. WE'RE PUTTING MONEY IN THE HOUSE IS SO I'D SAY WE'RE PROBABLY THAT TWO MILLION. OKAY SO WE'VE BEEN SPENDING SOME, BUT BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS IF YOU ADOPT THE ORDINANCE WE PUT IT INTO THE CAP, THE COUNTY'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT ACQUISITION IS NOT A PART OF THE GRANT APPLICATION, OR IS IT ON THE C I P SHEET. FORD WILL ADOPT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL ADOPT IT. C I P SHEET, HOPEFULLY WITH YOUR BLESSING AS WELL. AND THEN WE GO AND WE PUT IT IN THE FIVE OR SIX YEAR PLAN WITH THE FAA. OKAY COMMISSION, RIGHT, DONALD SAID IT WAS MORE THAN 10 YEARS AGO. AND UH OR ABOUT THAT TIME AND THE RESIDENTS HAD ACTUALLY RECEIVED THE LETTER FROM THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. I THINK THAT YOU WERE NOT AT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, THEN YOU WEREN'T DOING AIRPORT STUFF, BUT IT WAS BASICALLY THAT THE BENEFIT WAS NOT THERE. IN TERMS OF THE MITIGATION BENEFIT WAS MOSTLY ACQUISITION OR PROBABLY WAY DOWN THE LINE TO GET SOMETHING DONE NOW, YOU MENTIONED JUST SPECIFICALLY 15TH AND 16TH COURT AND BECAUSE OF THEIR DIRECTNESS TO THE CLEAR WAY. HOW CAN THOSE RESIDENTS ACTUALLY BENEFIT NOW OR IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE BECAUSE THEY ARE PART OF THE CITY BASED ON ADAPTING THE ENTIRE THING FOR THE CITY ITSELF ? I APPRECIATE ASKING THAT QUESTION. SO COMMISSIONER CLARK RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS TODAY, IF YOU DO NOT AMEND YOUR ORDINANCE AND, UH AND YOU TAKE NO ACTION. YOUR RESIDENCE ON 15TH AND 16TH, WHO ARE LOCATED UNDER THE 60 D. NOW THEY WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR FAA GRANT FUNDING. THERE WILL BE NO INSULATION PROGRAM FOR THOSE
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FOLKS IN THE COUNTY WILL TERMINATE OUR PROGRAM. UH OF INSULATION. AT THE END OF OUR FACE, FOUR, WHICH IS THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE AIRPORT. AND YOU ARE CORRECT AT THE TIME IN 2010. WHEN I WAS HIRED AS AIRPORT MANAGER, THE F A. A WAS ACTIVELY SEEKING FOR US TO PURCHASE NON COMPATIBLE LAND USES WITHIN THE RUNWAY PROTECTION ZONES. NOT A SECRET.UM WE DID. I BELIEVE WE SENT OUT A LETTER. I THINK WE MIGHT EVEN PUT THEIR POTENTIALLY APPRAISED VALUE ON THAT LETTER. THERE WAS A PART OF WHAT THE FAA HAS HERE . I HAVE TWO GENTLEMEN, HERE ARE CONSULTANTS. THEY CAN TELL YOU. THEY DO THAT AT OTHER AIRPORTS. WE'RE NOT IN THE FAA HAS COME OFF OF THAT. THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THAT. UM NEITHER IS THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER.
CURRENT COUNTY COMMISSION DOES NOT WANT TO BUY ANY MORE PROPERTY FOR THE AIRPORT FOR WITHAM FIELD, BUT THEY HAVE SENT US HERE SAYING, YOU KNOW IF THE CITY WANTS TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AND MAKE THEMSELVES ELIGIBLE, SAFE PHASE FIVE FOR INSULATION. THE BENEFITS ARE SO IF YOU SO IF YOU I'M 15TH COURT 15 COURTS THAT 66 16TH COURT SORRY, 16TH COURSE CLOSEST TO WHERE THEY ONLY HAS. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS WE WOULD START WITH THE CLOSEST HOMES. UM AND THEN THESE GENTLEMEN BEHIND HERE WILL MEASURE WILL TAKE THE MEASURING SOUND EFFECTS. THEY PULL OUT SOME BIG TRAILER USED TO BE A BIG TRAILER AND THE BLAST A BUNCH OF NOISE YOU CAN'T HEAR AND TAKE A BUNCH OF READINGS. BASED ON THAT THEY COME UP WITH A REPORT OF HOW DO WE INSULATE? HOW DO WE GET YOU TO A LEVEL OF 25 REDUCTION OF 25 DECIBELS? THAT USUALLY INCLUDES WINDOWS, DOORS, INSULATION IN THE ROOF AND TYPICALLY A NEW AIR CONDITIONERS. SO THOSE ARE THE BENEFITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OF NO COST. TO THE HOMEOWNER. THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY ON THE COUNTY AND THE F A. BUT YOU HAVE TO ADOPT THE 60 D N L IS YOUR LINE OF IMPORTANCE. OH I WOULD HAVE TO COMPETE WITH THE TRAIN NOISE. OKAY, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO. BECAUSE TRAIN YOU GUYS GOT A BRIDGE ISSUE, TOO, RIGHT? SO JUST LIKE THE REST OF US, BUT BUT THAT WILL IT WILL ALSO INSULATE AGAINST THE TRAIN NOISE. UM BUT YEAH, THAT THAT WOULD BE. THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING CURRENTLY IN PHASE TWO OR THREE HOURS. I THOUGHT THAT THE PHASE HAS CHANGED, BUT WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE SOUTHEAST IS THEY'RE GOING TO START MEASURING. AND ONCE WE GET THAT REPORT FROM MEASUREMENT, WE'RE GOING TO APPLY TO GET INTO THE QUEUE TO FURTHER THE MONEY ALONG. SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADOPT IT, THEN WE CAN START WORKING ON THE PROGRAM. IT'S GOING TO TAKE FIVE YEARS. IT'S NOT A SLOW PROCESS. THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES THAT YOU THE COUNTY WOULD HELP US TO GET THIS INITIATED. SO MY COMMITMENT TO USE THE ASSISTANT TIME MINISTRY IS WE WILL HAVE MR DOOLIN STILL EMPLOYED WITH THE COUNTY. AT LEAST I SAW HIM WALKING OUT OF THE PARKING LOT FIVE O'CLOCK TODAY. ON THAT ORDINANCE. WE WILL ASSIST YOUR STAFF AS WELL AS THE AIRPORT. WHETHER SAM LIKES IT OR NOT. HE WILL HELP WITH HIS CONSULTANTS HERE TO HELP YOU DRAFT THAT, UM WE AS THE AIRPORT AND THE COUNTY WILL BE THE RECIPIENT OF THEIR GRANT AND WILL ADMINISTER THAT GRANT. I GUESS WE CAN COME UP WITH AN INNER LOCAL THAT SAYS WHEN WE APPLY FOR THE GRANT, THERE'S NO ACQUISITION. IF THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE SPORT FEEL BETTER, GEORGE. YEAH I THINK I CAN MOVE THIS ALONG AND HELP YOU OUT A LITTLE BIT. HERE I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY FOR AN INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT REGARDING WHAT'S IN THE GRANT APPLICATION AND TO PREPARE, I GUESS AN ORDINANCE.
AT THE END OF 60 ML 60 ORDINANCE , BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE BY ORDINANCE. SO A D N L D . N L. 60 ORDINANCE BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED THAT YOU GUYS AND I KNOW YOU GUYS WILL HELP US DRAFTED OR WE MAY WE HAVE ONE THAT WE DID DRAFT I THINK FEW YEARS AGO, BUT WE PROBABLY NEED TO REDO IT, SO I'LL SECOND IT BUT I JUST WANT TO LIKE I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION WITH ALL SECOND WONDERING, DO YOU NEED TO TALK TO HER ATTORNEY ATTORNEY? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO CONSIDER IT TO BRING TWO? THERE'S A THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO THIS TALKED ABOUT THIS AND OTHER TIMES. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS BEING A THING THAT THIS CITY BRINGS BACK TO YOU GUYS ABOARD THE RESTRAINTS ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE CAUSED THE CITY TO NOT DO IT LAST TIME. YEP. WE CAN CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE GET TO IT. YEAH. JUST WE HAVE A SECOND TO SAY IS JUMPING IN LINE . PEOPLE IN THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE AIRPORT HAVE ALREADY THERE. THEY'RE THERE. THE NEXT PHASES, YOU WOULD BE THE I GUESS. THE LAST PHASE. THIS IS CALLED HIGH PRESSURE SALES PRESSURE SALES. THIS IS I DON'T WANT TO GET YELLED AT MY OTHER COMMISSIONER. ANOTHER COMMISSION DEFINITELY HAVE TO GET BACK WITH THE RESIDENTS AND, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY WORK TO DO. MR MAYOR. THE COMMISSIONER'S CLARK SECONDED IT, BUT I HAD ONE QUESTION ONE THING TO ADD TO THIS. UM I'M IN FAVOR OF US BRINGING IT BACK AND LOOKING INTO THIS, BUT LOOKING AT A FIVE YEAR C I P. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
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THAT IF WE ADOPT IN ORDER, WE HAVE TO TIME OUR ORDINANCE RIGHT SO THAT IF WE ADOPT IT AND OUR RESIDENTS IN THE AFFECTED AREA HAVE A HAVE A LOSS OF 50% OR MORE OF THEIR PROPERTY. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE BOUND BY THE NEW 25% IMPROVEMENT AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT THAT BILL, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT REALITY. VERY GOOD POINT. THE COUNTY HAD THE EXACT SAME ISSUE BEFORE WE STARTED THE PROGRAM, AND SO I BELIEVE OUR ORDINANCE SAYS YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REPAIR UP. UNLESS YOU AND I CAN'T DON'T DON'T COMPARE ME. DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, BUT BELIEVE ONLY REQUIRE YOU TO BUILD UP TO THE NEW STANDARD IF YOU IF YOU BASICALLY THE HOUSE BURNS DOWN TO THE FOUNDATION WE WORKED WITH LARRY. I THINK IT WAS 90% WE WORKED WITH LARRY MASSIVE BECAUSE AGAIN, THESE ARE I MEAN, THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT HOUSING. THIS IS A DIFFERENT POPULATION THAN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AIRPORT. AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO PUT IT. IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM WE NEED TO LOOK INTO, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE COSTS. POTENTIAL COSTS THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT 10 YEARS AGO. WE'RE POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING UNDER AT THE TIME, SO THAT WOULD MAYBE WE SHOULD EVEN CONSIDER SOME SORT OF LIKE SAFETY NET THAT THE CITY, PROVIDED. OKAY YEAH, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN THE COUNTY SENT OUT THE LETTERS THAT THE VALUES THAT THE GAVE WERE WAY LESS THAN WHAT WAS PAID FOR THE HOUSES ON 18TH COURT, AND THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO YOU HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION? YOU DON'T TRIGGER YOU'RE NOT VERY. WE'RE ALL IN FAVOR HIGH. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU , GEORGE HOME AND HAVE DINNER. MOVING ON. WE HAVE COMMENTS BY[COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS]
OUR CITY COMMISSIONERS. UM. OH MHM START. COMMISSIONER YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. UM IT IS POLITICAL SEASON AS WE ALL KNOW, I'M SURE I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE GETTING ALL THE MAILERS OUT THERE. UM AND I WILL SAY IT. I DON'T I. I'M GLAD TO NOT BE RUNNING RIGHT NOW. SO, UH, UNFORTUNATE. HOW HEATED THE RHETORIC IS OUT THERE, AND I'VE NOTICED AS WE ALL HAVE THAT DEVELOPMENT SEEMS TO BE THE ISSUE AS IT OFTEN IS, BUT ESPECIALLY NOW. UM, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF REMIND ALL OF US HERE THAT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE VOTED LIKE WE HAVE VOTED. AND HOPEFULLY WE ALL CAN STAND BY THOSE VOTES. UM EVEN WHEN SOMETIMES IT'S POLITICALLY NOT EXPEDIENT OR POPULAR FOR SOME PEOPLE. UM, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO REMIND THAT WHEN WE LOOK.ANYWHERE ABOVE THE MOST LOCAL FORM OF GOVERNMENT WHEN WE LOOK UP TO THE STATE WHEN WE LOOK UP, ESPECIALLY TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TIME AFTER TIME. WHENEVER THE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY CRISIS IS BROUGHT UP. THE SOLUTION. THE SOLUTION THAT IS UNANIMOUSLY AGREED UPON BY RIGHT LEFT EXTREME PROGRESSIVE RIGHT WING. YOU NAME IT. EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT SUPPLY. THERE ARE A LOT OF ARGUMENTS ABOUT DEMAND SIDE. UM THERE ARE VERY REASONED ECONOMIC ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE ARGUED THAT VOUCHER PROGRAMS, RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS DEMAND SIDE PROGRAMS. EITHER. MAKE HOUSING MORE AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE OR RAISE THE COST OF HOUSING TO AN UNSUSTAINABLE LEVEL FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. THAT'S THAT IS AN OF VALID DEBATE THAT IS HAPPENING, BUT WHAT EVERYONE AGREES ON IS THAT WE NEED TO DO OUR PART. EVERY LOCAL GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO DO THEIR PART TO HELP INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF HOUSING AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DONE , AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF OPINIONS ABOUT HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH, BUT, UM, I ENCOURAGE ANYBODY TO LOOK BACK TO THE MOST RECENT, UH, SENATE BANKING COMMITTEE HEARING THAT THEY HAD LAST WEEK. I THINK IT WAS LAST THURSDAY. UM EVERY SENATOR AND ALL OF THE PANELISTS THERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SUPPLY AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO DO THEIR PART AND INCREASED SUPPLY , ESPECIALLY IN THE URBAN CENTERS. SO I JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EVERY COMMUNITY IN THE NATION IS GRAPPLING WITH. EVERYBODY IS FIGHTING OVER. COMMISSIONERS COUNCILS. ARE LOSING THEIR SEATS OVER THIS, BUT THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT IS HAPPENING NATIONWIDE AND THE SOLUTION. THE SOLUTION. IS MORE SUPPLY. SO I JUST PUT THAT
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OUT THERE TO SAY IT'S EASY FOR ME TO SAY, BECAUSE I'M NOT RUNNING FOR RE ELECTION, BUT I STAND BY THE VOTES THAT WE HAVE TAKEN. AND I KNOW THAT IT IS CONTROVERSIAL, AND I KNOW THAT IT IS DIFFICULT, BUT I MEAN, WE ARE WE ARE DOING OUR PART. TO TRY TO HELP ATTACK THIS HOUSING CRISIS. WE ARE ALL FACING AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU, MR MEYER. COMMISSIONER BRUNNER. ASK ABOUT THE TREES, THIS HEAT THAT WE'RE HAVING. I WAS WONDERING IF THEY'RE ALL GOOD. 13 OR THEY'RE LIVING. GREAT QUESTION TREES. THERE'S A BELIEF OH, THE TREES IN FRONT OF THE RESIDENTIAL STREET TREE PROGRAM. THEY CAN COME BACK WHENEVER I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW THE RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM IS IT THAT DEAD TREE OUT HERE? NO NO, THE 13. I BELIEVE THAT THAT THE CITY PLANTED AT THREE MONTHS AGO PROGRAM. YES YES, I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE HE HAD SO MUCH HEAT AND IF THEY'RE GETTING ENOUGH WATER ANOTHER PROBLEM. WITH WITH THE RESTAURANT. WHAT IS IT? DOWN AT THE END, YOU HAD SOME TOUCHING ON THE RIVER. JULY 2ND. SOMEONE SENT ME A PICTURE. AND THERE IS GREEN CONES ABOUT EIGHT. TO 10 PARKING SPACES AS A GREEN CONE IN EACH ONE. AND ON BOTH SIDES DOWN THERE, BUT THERE IS A SIGN THAT SAYS THREE SPACES ARE FOR THE FISHERMEN. I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE FEW TIMES, YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENING TO CHECK AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THE CONS ANYMORE, BUT IT'S JUST A CONCERN. I DON'T WANT ANY OF OUR CITIZENS TO SEE THOSE CONES AND THINK THAT THEY CAN'T PARK THERE. THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST STOP. WELL. I CAN'T PARK THERE. SO MAYBE, UM, WE CAN HAVE A HAVE A TALK WITH MR MADIGAN GUYS MEDICATED AGREEMENT THAT WAS APPROVED. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO START COMBING THOSE OFF AT FOUR O'CLOCK SO THAT THEY CAN PUSH THE CARS TOGETHER, SO THEY DIDN'T GET MORE CARS IN THE SPACES, SO THE VALET HAS TO DO THAT. ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC AND GO PARK THERE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE GOING TO HUDSON'S.AND THAT'S THAT'S THE KEY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MESSAGED OUT THERE THAT ANYONE CAN PULL UP TO THE VALET AND HAVE THEIR CAR PARKED, WHETHER THEY'RE GOING FISHING IN THE PARK GOING TO A DIFFERENT RESTAURANT. WELL, NO MATTER WHAT THE CASES, BUT THE REASON FOR THE FOR US PURSUING THE VALET WAS THE ABILITY TO DOUBLE PARK OR TIGHT FIT CARS INTO THOSE SPACES SO WE CAN GET MORE PER SPACE. NOW THE THREE SPOTS THAT ARE DEDICATED FOR THE FISHING PIER AREA SHOULD NOT BE CONE AND THOSE SHOULD BE LEFT OPEN AT ALL TIMES. BUT IF THEY WEREN'T THEY WEREN'T GOING AND I JUST DON'T WANT UM WELL, WE'LL SEE. WHEN WINTERTIME GETS HERE. IF THERE'S ANY ANY MORE PROBLEMS , MAYBE WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A TALK WITH HIM. SCARY. IT'S JUST IT'S NOT FAIR. IF THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED. I UNDERSTAND. AND I THINK I SAW MILTON WITH A LITTLE SPRINKLE BUCK WATER IN THOSE TREES OVER ANY STEWART. HIS HIS GROUP ACTUALLY IS, UH, I THINK IT WAS REMEMBER HOW MANY MONTHS THREE MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT 90 DAYS. IT'S SUCH A IT'S SUCH A GOOD PROGRAM, AND I WANT THEM TO LIVE AND IF THEY DO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN DO MORE, BUT IT'S JUST IT'S JUST BEEN SO HARD . I THOUGHT OF THOSE TREES, SO WE DO. THAT'S AN ONGOING PROGRAM . SO NEXT YEAR, SIERRA HAS IT BUDGETED AGAIN. TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD AND DO IT THERE, AND THEY USE THE GIS MAPPING TO FIND THE LOCATION OF THE LEAST TREAT PLACE TO DO THAT IN THE NEXT NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR CLARK. HI SO LET ME JUST GO TO THE DEAD TREE OUTSIDE. HAVEN'T SEEN IT, BUT I KNOW THAT THE WOMAN'S CLUB HAD PLANNED TO THE JAPANESE. TREE FERN TREE OR PALM TREE OUT THERE , SO I WASN'T SURE WHAT IT WAS OR IF IT'S JUST A REGULAR CITY LANDSCAPING. BUT IF IT'S A WOMAN'S CLUB TREE, I'D LIKE FOR US TO KNOW THAT SO WE CAN REPLACE IT AGAIN IF WE NEED TO NOT SURE HADN'T SEEN A DEAD TREE OUTSIDE. IT'S ONE OF THE QUEEN CRAPE MYRTLES IN FRONT OF LUNA'S OKAY. OKAY, SO THEN IT'S NOT RIGHT OUTSIDE HERE. THERE WAS A REPLACEMENT TREE, AND WHEN THEY PUT IT IN THERE, IT SHOCKED. AND SO IT SHOULD BE SHOULD READ RELIEF. YEAH IT SHOULD BECAUSE OF THREE I'M THINKING ABOUT IS BETWEEN HERE AND THE PUBLIC HORSE BUILDING. OKAY, SO THAT'S FINE. UM I THINK SOMEONE MENTIONED ABOUT ELECTION SEASON BECAUSE IT'S ELECTION SEASON. THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS SO MANY THINGS GOING UP AND HAS BROUGHT BACK TO ME AGAIN THAT THIS I THINK I BROUGHT THIS UP YEARS AGO. IT HASN'T TAKEN ANY TRACTION, BUT MAYBE IT CAN, SOME WITH THE CITY AT SOME POINT IN TIME. THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE WITH SO MANY QUESTIONS, AND IF WE DO SOMETHING, STUART KIER STEWART WHATEVER, JUST LIKE HOW THE MARTIN COUNTY DOES THAT PROGRAM WITH TALKED ABOUT DOING SOMETHING AND TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR WATER TREATMENT PLANT. HOW WE DEAL WITH STUFF HOW WE DEAL WITH
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TRAFFIC DOWNTOWN. HOW WE WORK WITH COME INTO GROUPS LIKE MAIN STREETS AND OTHER THINGS, SOME KIND OF A PROGRAM THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT TO GET THE PUBLIC TO LEARN MORE. LEARN ABOUT ZONING.LEARN HOW THE SCIARRA WORKS LEARNED THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE SPECIAL GRANTS OR TRUST FUNDS FOR DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT THAT'S THE WAY THE FUNDS COME IN HOW IT'S DONE. HOW ADVIL OR, UM, TAXES GOES TO WORK FOR US, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE NEED TO PATTERN AFTER THAT, I THINK IT'S MARTIN. TEARS HAVE MARTIN CARES THAT SO MANY WEEKS. I KNOW THAT IT BENEFITS.
UM I'M GONNA CALL UP MR CAMPENNI ON THIS ONE. IT BENEFITS WHEN THEY HAVE THE LEADERSHIP GROUP THAT COMES IN HERE, BUT IT'S ONLY ONE TIME. IT WAS JUST ONE TIME. SO IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING FOR WEEKS AND ON END AND I KNOW THAT TOM HAS SEEN WHEN LEADERSHIP COMES IN HERE AND HOW WE DO A GOOD PRESENTATION AND OUR CITY, BUT IT'S LIKE WHAT AN HOUR OR SOMETHING SO, YEAH. TALK YEAH, LONGER THAN AN HOUR BECAUSE IT GOES TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. BUT MOST OF THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, BUT YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND CITIZENS PROGRAM AND SO I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, COMMISSIONER . WE SHOULD HAVE A KID A CASH PROGRAM. AND MAYBE ONCE A YEAR, MAYBE JUST 20 CITIZENS AT THE TIME. I DON'T KNOW. THE POLICE ARE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL OR NOT. AH BUT ONCE AGAIN, I THINK YOU'RE COMPLETELY CORRECT. WE ACTUALLY WE ALREADY HAVE THE POLICE PROGRAM. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A WATER TREATMENT PROGRAM THAT PETER STARTED A WHILE BACK. I THINK ALL OF YOU GUYS IS WORTH IT. WE GOT A CERTIFICATE. WE CAN DO SOMETHING IN COMMINGLE THOSE TOGETHER AND THEN ALSO LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE AND SOMETHING ON. MAYBE MR MARTEL WILL TEACH LIKE 3.5 HOURS THAT WOULD KEEP HIM 23. ALRIGHT DID YOU KEEP HIM DOWN TO 3.5 HOURS? SO WE HAVE A LOT OF THESE PROBABLY, BUT THEY WERE CAUSED BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE TO THEIR STARTING TO GET YEAH, I KNOW. I'LL LOOK INTO GRAHAM WILL BE COMING BACK ONLINE. OKAY AND THEN I'M GONNA TALK CLEANUP IN GENERAL AND THEN SPECIFIC, SO I JUST PARTICIPATED THIS WEEKEND IN THE WATERWAYS CLEAN UP. I KNOW MAYOR DID TOO. I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT UP TO MAYOR BECAUSE HE DOES A LOT OF WATERWAYS THINGS, BUT THAT WAS SUCH A GOOD PROGRAM. WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING WITH OUR BOARDING COMMUNITY, AND IT'S A GOOD THING. THERE ARE THE CLEANUP.
AND MY HEART IS HEAVY. IS THE TAILOR PROPERTY AND I JUST WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN TO US ABOUT THE MONIES THAT WE'VE GIVEN TO ADVANCE THE PROJECT THERE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND WHEN WE THINK THINGS ARE GONNA TRULY START HAPPENING AND HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE SEEING A MAJOR CHANGE, SO WE, THE PROPERTY HAD SEVERAL CODE VIOLATIONS RUNNING OUT THAT ARE ACCRUING FINES. WE WORKED OUT A STIPULATION WITH THEM WHERE WE PUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT PUT UP $90,000 45,000 ADVANCED 45,000 AFTER TO REMEDIATE THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS BASICALLY TO SCRAPE THE PROPERTY TO ALLEVIATE ALL THE EXISTING CODE VIOLATIONS THAT ARE THERE. UM THAT STIPULATION WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE COMMISSION. YOU GUYS APPROVED UPON IT, AND IT HAS SAT THERE NOT GETTING MOVED FOR.
MANY MONTHS NOW, SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE APPROVED THAT UM, THE. TODAY THEY MOBILIZED THE STUFF.
THE TRUCKS AND STUFF ARE ON SITE , AND I BELIEVE TOMORROW THEY BEGAN DEMOLISHING THOSE BUILDINGS. AND SO THAT PROPERTY WILL BE, UM, LEVEL TWO FLAT SURFACE, AND I KNOW THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE TAILOR TRUST HAS BEEN TRYING TO FIND A DEVELOPER FOR THAT PROPERTY. BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM HIM ON A SUCCESSFUL PERSON YET, UM, WE HAVE PUT ONE PERSON IN TOUCH WITH HIM ONE COMPANY IN TOUCH WITH HIM. AND NOW I'VE JUST RECENTLY PUT ANOTHER COMPANY IN TOUCH WITH THEM FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THAT LOCATION AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OR NOT, I DO NOT KNOW. UM BUT I'VE ALSO TRIED TO MAKE INROADS WITH THE FAMILY AND THE TRUST ITSELF TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THE CITY CAN DO TO HELP THAT PROJECT ALONG AND HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THAT. I THAT'S IT . I THINK FOR MY COMMENTS, CAN I ASK A QUICK FOLLOW UP ON THAT? GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. UM HAVE WE COORDINATED AT ALL WITH LIKE LA HAYA OR INTENSITY HELPERS TO BE THERE? UM TO HELP ASSIST WITH SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT THERE'S NOBODY ON THE PROCESS. IT'S ALSO YEAH, THEY PROPERTY HAS BEEN VACANT. THERE WERE SOME TRESPASSING AND SOME DANGEROUS CONDITIONS TAKING PLACE THAT TOOK PLACE AND IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO WE'RE NOT REALLY AT LIBERTY TO, I KNOW, MAKE THE DECISIONS. IT'S BEEN AN AWKWARD SITUATION. I UNDERSTAND WE DO GET INVOLVED. WE GOT INVOLVED WITH ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX AT ONE TIME AND THEN WE ALSO WHEN THE INITIAL, UH BUNGALOWS WERE TAKEN DOWN, WE GOT INVOLVED
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THERE AS WELL. ON THIS ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THERE IS NO WAY AWARE THAT IT'S THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE. I'M SORRY, ARE THE ORGANISM ASSISTANCE ORGANIZATIONS AWARE THAT THEY WILL BE DEMOLISHED STARTING TOMORROW? I DON'T THINK SO, BECAUSE THERE'S NOBODY THERE.THE LAST I HEARD THERE WAS ONE FEMALE LEFT THERE, BUT SHE WASN'T EVEN LIVING THERE. SHE JUST WAS REFUSING THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S ALL TAKEN CARE OF. WE MAKE SURE THAT CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION ALSO, SINCE WE'RE TALKING CLEAN UP, SO I DID THE CLEANUP ON THE STREET ITSELF, ALSO IN THE STEWART ON SATURDAY. AND THE BAHAMA BREEZE OR THAT THE FOUR STORY BUILDING THAT WAS RUN BY THE BEING RUN BY INDIAN TOWN HOUSING CORP. THAT OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING WAS BEYOND DEPLORABLE AND BEYOND, JUST PICKING UP TRASH ON THE STREET, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY. CODE ENFORCEMENT HASN'T DONE OR SAID ANYTHING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE ABSOLUTELY LOOKED INTO. I WANT TO POLICE DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THAT, UM TWO OR THREE STORY. TO A STORY YELLOW. IT'S ABOUT 88 UNITS, PLEX PLEX. SO IT'S BAHAMA MOHAMMED TEMP. BAHAMA AND 10TH.
AND IT'S JUST IT WAS JUST ABSOLUTELY THE GARBAGE AND WE COULDN'T PICK IT UP BECAUSE IT'S LIKE DOMESTIC GARBAGE IS JUST STREWN ALL OVER THE PLACE AND IT WOULD BE GOING ONTO THEIR PROPERTY TO DO ALL IT WAS JUST ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE. SO I KNOW THAT ANY TOWN NONPROFIT HAD HAD SOME ISSUES AND SOME REORGANIZATION OUT THERE, SO I NEED TO FIND OUT WHO THEIR CURRENT PERSON IS RUNNING THAT SO THAT THAT WOULD BE OUR BEST BET BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE THE BIGGEST LEVERAGE OVER THE RENTERS THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S KEPT CLEAN. WE CAN GO OUT THERE AND DO THE SIGHTING AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT IT'S ALWAYS BETTER FOR LANDLORD ENCOURAGES THEIR TENANTS TO CLEAN, SO WE NEED TO GET ON THAT LANDLORD. AGREED. OKAY MY TURN.
I JUST HAVE TO TWO THINGS. ONE IS ON CENTRAL PARKWAY IN OVER BY WHERE THE SEASIDE DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN THE TURN LANES BY SEASIDE . THE TREES HAVE KIND OF GROWN WHERE THEY'RE KIND OF HALF THE TURN LANE. IF YOU ACTUALLY GET INTO TURN ONE AND CENTRAL PARKWAY THERE. THREE YOU'LL ACTUALLY HIT THE TREES. UM SUBSTANTIALLY AND THE. I BELIEVE THAT SEASIDE IS SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN THOSE. IT'S THE ONES IN THE MEDIA STRIP. I WASN'T HERE DURING THAT APPROVAL PROCESS, BUT I KNOW IN THE PRIOR P U D THAT NEVER GOT THAT DID NOT GET BUILT THE COMMERCIAL PDD THEY WERE TO REQUIRE, UH, THE SECOND THING I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP WAS UH, WE HAD SADLY, WE HAD A TRAGEDY IN THE STEWART WHERE A YOUNG MAN WAS KILLED, UM AND, UH , WAS IT'S TRULY TRULY A TRAGEDY , BUT AT THE SAME TIME, OUR OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND OUR FIRE RESCUE THAT RESPONDED. UM. DID FROM WHAT I'VE UNDERSTAND, DID DID AMAZING. AH EFFORT. UH HEROIC EFFORTS TO SAVE THE YOUNG MAN'S LIFE, AND I JUST WANTED TO THANK THEM. THEY WERE. THEIR FIRST OFFICER WAS ON SCENE WITHIN ONE MINUTE AND WITHIN ABOUT 10 MINUTES THEY WERE TRANSPORTING THE VICTIM TO GUY DAVIS, WHERE THEY WERE. HE WAS FLOWN OUT BY HELICOPTER TO A TRAUMA CENTER. UM AND OUR POLICE AND OUR FIRE GUYS, THEY SEE SADLY, THEY SEE PEOPLE INJURED. SHOT. CAR ACCIDENTS. MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES ON A DAY ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS, AND IT'S UH IT CREATES A CHALLENGE FOR THEM, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND JUST THINK THAT WE JUST NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THOSE GUYS HAVE THOSE GUYS JUST HAVE A TOUGH JOB, SO THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. WELL, SAID EVERYONE. JUST TO SUMMARIZE. YES, WE HAD THE TREASURE COAST WATERWAY CLEANUP. THIS LAST SATURDAY. I TOOK PART IN THAT AND WE WENT UP. WITH MY FAMILY, FRASURE CREEK. I'VE DONE THAT THREE TIMES FOR TAKING IN THAT AREA OF PRESSURE CREEK FOR THAT WATERWAY CLEANUP, AND I DO HAVE TO SAY THAT WAS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TRASH. IN THE PAST THREE TIMES PICKED UP UP THE CREEK THERE. SO THAT WAS GOOD NEWS, ALTHOUGH SADLY THE WHOLE TEAM IN THE CITY OF STEWART. UH RILED UP A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRASH. UM ON THAT NOTE. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE IN THE CITY WHO PARTICIPATED. MILTON. AND ALEC FOR ORGANIZING MARK UGLY, YOU KNOW, FOR BRINGING HIS BOAT AS WELL. I KNOW I'M FORGETTING MANY, MANY, BUT THANKS THE ENTIRE TEAM IN THE CITY STEWART FOR LEADING THAT CHARGE, AND IT
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WAS NICE TO BE BACK, YOU KNOW, AND MEET EVERYONE AT SHEPHERD PARK TO DO IT LIKE WE HAD DONE IN THE PAST PRE PANDEMIC. THIS MORNING THERE WAS A LARGE BOAT PROTEST FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE RAIL BRIDGE. THE PROPOSED OPERATIONS, UM AS IT STANDS, THE PROPOSED OPERATIONS OF THE RAIL BRIDGE ARE STILL TO BE DOWN 15 MINUTES OF EVERY HOUR. I HAVE TO SAY THEY WERE WELL WELL OVER 100 VOTES ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF THE BRIDGE. UM ALL ASKING AND DEMANDING THE SAME THING THE CITY OF STEWART HAS DONE IN WRITING MULTIPLE TIMES FOR MORE EQUITY AND MARITIME AND RAIL TRAFFIC. UM, AND THERE WAS WHAT YOU WOULD SAY A TEST OF HOW MANY BOATS COULD SAFELY PASS. THROUGH THOSE WATERWAYS. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY FINAL DATA. BUT I WOULD SAY WE PROVED OUR POINT. IN A 15 MINUTE SPAN. THERE WAS NO POSSIBLE WAY THERE WERE 75 VOTES THAT PASSED DO THOSE WATERWAYS.I HEARD SOME NUMBERS OVER THE RADIO THAT POSSIBLY UP TO 40. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS EVEN CLOSE.
I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THOSE THAT THAT PARTICIPATED IN THAT EVENT TO SHOW HOW STRONGLY WE AS A COMMUNITY CARE ABOUT EQUALITY. IN OUR MARITIME AND PUBLIC USE OF OUR WATERWAYS.
CANNOT BE UNDERSTATED. HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE. UM. LIKE OKEECHOBEE IS AT 13 POINT. OH, FOUR FT. WE'RE SITTING IN A FAIRLY GOOD POSITION, BUT THAT CAN CHANGE WITH THE WEATHER ANY DAY. I'VE BEEN IN TALKS WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS ABOUT POTENTIALLY HOSTING A LISTENING.
SESSION AND DEBRIEFING ON THE NEXT PHASES OF LOS. UM, HERE AUGUST 17TH IN OUR COMMISSION CHAMBERS. BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR P.M. WE'LL GET MORE INFORMATION ON THAT IS THAT SOLIDIFIES? AND I JUST LIKE TO SAY A AND ECHO WHAT OUR VICE MAYOR SAID THAT THAT MY HEART. GOES OUT. TO THE DELANCEY FAMILY AND FRIENDS FOR THE TRAGEDY THAT OCCURRED STEWART THE OTHER DAY. AND THAT IS STILL AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATION , AND OUR OFFICERS ARE WORKING INCREDIBLY HARD ON IT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THEIR ACTIONS AS WELL AS OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO
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COMMENTS BY CITY MANAGER THANK YOU, SIR. AS YOU MENTIONED THE RIVER CLEANUP. I HAVE STUDENTS FOR HTOO WANTED ME TO GIVE YOU GUYS EACH ONE OF THESE PINS THAT ARE MADE OUT OF RECYCLED WATER BOTTLES. SO HE PASSED. TAKE ONE. PASS IT DOWN HERE, MIKE, YOU CAN HAVE THEM TO THANK YOU. I WANT TO INTRODUCE MR GIRTON. SHE'S OUR NEW P I O AND COMMUNICATIONS PERSONNEL FOR THE CITY. UM SO SHE'LL YOU'LL BE SEEING HER AROUND. UM SO IT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT. WE'RE NOT GONNA BLAME IT ON YOU. I'M JUST KIDDING. UM, WELCOME. I NEED AN ITEM, NOT AN ITEM. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR A MOTION AND A VOTE FOR A NOT TO EXCEED MILITARY OF FIVE. OUR CURRENT MILITARY RATE IS NOW FIVE. I REALIZED OVER THE WEEKEND. MY BRAIN WAS RUNNING THAT BY AUGUST 4TH. THAT ITEM IS DUE AND SO WE HAVE TO COMPLETE THE D R 4 20. SO IT ASKED FOR A MOTION THAT THE, UM WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO A QUICK SO WE HAVE EMOTION NOT TO EXCEED THE MILITARY RATE OF FIVE. AND A SECOND. COMMISSIONER MEYER MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER CLARK IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL, MADAM CLERK. COMMISSIONER MEYER . YES COMMISSIONER CLARK? YES COMMISSIONER BURNER? YES VICE MAYOR. MCDONALD YES. MATHESON?[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
YES. THANK YOU. AND THE LAST THING I HAVE IS DURING THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEMS SEVEN AND EIGHT AND NOT HERE AT ALL THAT WE COMPLETELY REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA AND IT WILL BE RE ADVERTISED. THEY HAD SOME STAFFING ISSUES AND WEREN'T ABLE TO BE HERE AND THEN I WANT TO ADD D AND D DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION ITEM NUMBER 10 TO THE AGENDA AND THAT WILL BE ABOUT THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING AND OUR INTERACTION THAT WE'VE HAD WITH F P L ON THAT. UH ALRIGHT, MOVE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA PER CITY MANAGERS.SUGGESTIONS. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. THE AGENDA , PULLING ITEMS SEVEN AND EIGHT AND ADDING A DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION FP L E V CHARGING STATIONS, MOTION AND A SECOND.
PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA WITH THE MODIFICATIONS IN THE MOTION.
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THERE'S NOT NONE. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MOVING ON TO COMMENTS FROM THE[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (3 Minutes Max.)]
PUBLIC. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. YES WE DO. MR JOE FLANAGAN. GOOD AFTERNOON BEAUTIFUL DAY. SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, MR MCDONALD COMMISSION, MCDONALD WAS ASKING ABOUT A STOP SIGN ON PALM CITY ROAD. UM IT DID NOT MOVE FORWARD FROM HERE. BUT GREG, WHO LIVES ON THE STREET NEAR THE CORNER, THERE IS ONE CUT THROUGH STREET BETWEEN INDIAN GROVE AND WE'RE NOT CHEATING. IT'S CALIFORNIA IS ONE BLOCK. HE SAID, AND I AGREE. MY WIFE DISAGREES. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SLOW CHANGE THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC. BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING TO SLOW IT DOWN AND GREG'S REQUEST THAT I COME TONIGHT AND ASK YOU TO CONSIDER PUTTING A THREE WAY STOP. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AS THE CUT THROUGH AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN TOLD WELL, THEN IT'S NOT, IT BECOMES AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. BUT YOU KNOW, EVEN THE LAW EMBODYING CITIZENS , YOU SEE A STOP SIGN. EVEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO ROLL THROUGH IT, AT LEAST YOU'RE GONNA SLOW DOWN. BUT WALKING TO THE MAILBOX IS A CHALLENGE ON OUR STREET A LOT. AND SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO DO THAT. SO AGAIN, WHATEVER PROCESS WHETHER IT GOES TO STAFF OR VOTER ANYTHING, PLEASE CONSIDER PUTTING A THREE WAY STOP ON INDIAN GROVE AND CALIFORNIA BUT ALSO LIKE TO CHANGE THINGS EARLIER, TALKING ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE TAILOR PROPERTY. I ACTUALLY MET WITH THE YOUNG LADY WHO'S A REALTOR THAT JUST GOT HER DEGREE IN KIND OF A I GUESS FOR LACK OF BETTER TERM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND SHE WAS VERY INTERESTED IN THAT AND WAS HOPING TO GET SOME DEVELOPER TO TAKE OVER THE HOMES AS THEY ARE NOW AND REMODEL THEM AND BRING THEM UP. AND THEN I WAS SORT OF SAD TO HEAR THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE LEVEL TOMORROW. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TOO LATE TO PUSH THE PANIC BUTTON OR HOLD IT. I MEAN, THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME ANOTHER WEEK, BUT IF THE BULLDOZERS ARE LINED UP, AND IT'S DONE, THEN DIDN'T GONE, BUT FOUR SOMETHING ONLY FOR BUT I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S FOUR MORE THAN WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW, IF I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS IN SUCH A CONDITION THAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR HAD BEEN IN THERE AND MULTIPLE OCCASIONS MORE THAN THREE YEARS AGO, AND NONE OF THE PROPERTIES WERE IN A CONDITION THAT WAS DEEMED BY ANY ARCHITECTS OR ENGINEERS IN THE COMMUNITY IS BEING SALVAGEABLE BASED UPON THERE'S NO FLOORING AND WALLS AND TERMITES AND LACK OF AIR CONDITIONING AND WINDOWS PAINTED, CLOSED AND V ASBESTOS THAT WAS IN THERE THAT THAT'S BEEN PART OF THE DELAY AND OTHER MATTERS, SO IT WAS A BIGGER ENDEAVOR, SO IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. OKAY? I'M GONNA NOT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. I JUST KIND OF LOOKED AT ME WHEN THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA, BUT I WOULD DRAW THAT DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. NO. THANK YOU, MR FLANAGAN. BUT UM, HE DID. CAN I JUST BRING UP SOMETHING DO WE NEED TO TRY? WOULD YOU LIKE TO RENEW YOUR MOTION TO HAVE STAFF LOOKING TO THIS? A THING. I'D BE HAPPY TO AS STAFF TO COME BACK. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED EMOTION. COME BACK AND LOOK AT, UH, DOING WHAT ON INDIAN GROWTH STOPS ON INDIAN GIRLS IN CALIFORNIA? YEAH CAN YOU BRING THAT BACK, AND I DON'T NEED A MOTION FOR THAT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED OKAY. THANK YOU, MR FLANAGAN. WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, MR ROBERT RUSS WALK. LETTING YOU SPEAK GOOD AFTERNOON CITY COMMISSION MEETING BEFORE MORE OFTEN, THANK YOU FOR COMING TO MURRAY MIDDLE SCHOOL AND SOFTWARE HIGH SCHOOL , BULLDOGS JOINED THE MARINE DROP AND I WORKED ON JETS AT CHERRY POINT. NORTH CAROLINA SO WE DON'T FIELD CAN'T GET NOISY ENOUGH FOR ME. I LIVE ON DOLPHIN DRIVE. UM I HAVE. I DON'T WANT TO BE THAT GUY AND I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THIS, BUT I'M JUST GETTING I THINK YOU'RE THE CITY MANAGER. CORRECT, SIR. THAT'S BECAUSE I SPOKE WITH PROBABLY YOUR SECRETARY TODAY. YOU TOLD ME TO COME TO THIS MEETING. AS I'VE GOT A NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET THAT'S RUNNING A BUSINESS OUT OF HIS HOUSE. I MEAN, HE HAS EMPLOYEES. THE SHIRTS. AND THERE'S THIS GIGANTIC BOAT IS THE THING GORGEOUS. YEAH HE JUST HAD IT TAKEN AWAY AND A NEW COAT OF PAINT ON IT WAS GONE FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS. NOW IT'S BACK IS I USED TO WORK IT ON BOATS FORKLIFT DRIVING THEM. IT'S TOO BIG FOR ME TO HAVE PICKED UP WITH A FORK LEFT. YOU NEED ONE OF THOSE SLENG THINGS AND I NEVER DROVE. IT'S GOT A SIX WHEEL TRAILER ON IT. SO THEY WORKING ON BOATS THERE IS THAT WHAT BOATS? FARM TRACTORS. I'M TALKING OKEECHOBEE FARM TRACTORS. NOT NOT SOME, YOU KNOW. DO YOU THINK THAT YOU CUT YOUR FRONT LAWN WITH WHAT'S THE ADDRESS 9 TO 4 DOLPHIN. NOW I'VE CONTACTED CODE ENFORCEMENT. IT[01:05:01]
DOESN'T TIMES AND I TOOK A PICTURE OF A LARGE TRAILER. WHERE THE TRACTOR ON IT AND A MONSTER TRUCK THAT WAS HALFWAY IN ON DOLPHIN DRIVE PARKED ON THE EASEMENT AND STILL TAKING UP HALF OF THE LANE, A DOLPHIN, WHICH WAS SUNDAY MORNING AND THE CHURCH TRAFFIC. IT'S LIKE A PARADE EVERY HOUR WHEN THEY LET OUT FROM CHURCH THAT YOU SEE IN THE WINTERTIME. WELL I TOOK A PICTURE OF IT FROM MY FRONT YARD, AND HE CALLED THE POLICE. AND OFFICER CAME TO MY DOOR AND SEEMS KIND OF AGITATED. AND WHY ARE YOU TAKING PICTURES? BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT LOOK AT THE BOAT. THE BOAT SITS HIGHER THAN THE HOUSE. THE BOAT IS THE SAME SIZE OF THE HOUSE AND EVERY SINGLE TIME HE DOES HIS 90 DEGREE. TURN TO GET IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S SO TIGHT WITH THAT BIG TRAILER. MULTIPLE TRAILERS AND EVERY STEP SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. HE'S DIGGING DIVOTS AND SCREWING UP DOLPHIN DRIVE THAT WAS JUST PAID. LESS THAN A YEAR AGO, IT WAS LOOKED LIKE A BABY'S BACKSIDE, AND NOW THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIVOTS AND MARKS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A ROAD ENGINEER TO SEE WORDS COMING FROM WHERE IT'S GOING. AND IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY SURFBOARD MAILBOX THAT I GOT THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS MY HOUSE FROM SO UM YEAH, LIKE I SAID, DOES HE WORK HARD? ARE THEY SELLING DRUGS? NO NO, NO, IT'S NOTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST DUDE, YOU'RE SCREWING UP THE STREET. I MEAN, BEFORE THEY TOOK THAT VOTE FOR SANDING. HE HAD TWO GUYS WORK ON IT ON EASTER SUNDAY. THANK YOU, SIR. I'LL LOOK INTO IT. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. DR CHRISTOPHER COLLINS. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY COMMISSIONERS, SO I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND TO ONE OF THE COMMENTS. AND. MAKE A POINT THAT NOT EVERYBODY AGREES WITH THE CURRENT DIRECTION THAT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, MR COLLINS. NOT EVERYBODY AGREES WITH THE CURRENT DIRECTION. AND, UM HOW TO SOLVE YOU KNOW THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS, RIGHT SO IN A VACUUM, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE. BUT WHEN WE'RE YOU KNOW, ONE WERE SUCH A DESIRABLE AREA.EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE HERE FROM EVERYWHERE. THE COST OF NEW CONSTRUCTION. IT IS VERY HARD TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, EVEN BY ADDING A LOT OF STOCK. WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THIS AREA.
WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING AND I DON'T WANT TO BE NEGATIVE AND SAY ANYBODY'S TO BLAME. I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT WAS GOOD. BUT I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYWHERE ELSE. BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN STUART? WHAT I'M SEEING WHEN I'M TALKING TO PEOPLE, THE GENERAL SENTIMENT NOT TO HAVE THE HUBRIS TO SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, BUT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW THESE UNITS THAT ARE BEING CREATED ARE NOT HOUSING OUR PEOPLE FOR THE MOST PART PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM UP NORTH AND DOWN SOUTH THAT ARE USED TO HIGHER DENSITY THAT ARE USED TO HIGH PRICES AND ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LIVE IN STUART, FLORIDA. ARE YOU KIDDING? YOU'VE MADE ROOM FOR ME. I'LL PAY 1900 BUCKS. I'LL PAY TWO GRAND FOR 11. I'M HAPPY TO PAY 2500 BUCKS FOR 22. IT'S NOT ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE NECESSARILY LIVING IN THOSE AND WE CAN'T CONTROL IF WORKFORCE FROM PORTS ST LUCIE ENDS UP RENTING THAT UNIT OR NOT. SO IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT CONVERSATION. WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK OUT FOR IS. WE'RE NOT A WEST PALM BEACH WERE NOT A FORT LAUDERDALE. WE'RE NOT AT DELRAY ON DIFFERENT LEVELS WE DON'T WANT TO BE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO BE THEM. THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL PLACE. STEWART IS VERY UNIQUE. AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND LIVE HERE FOR A REASON THEY'VE CHOSEN TO BE HERE BECAUSE OF WHAT THIS PLACE IS. ALONG THOSE LINES. WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR TRAFFIC, AND THOSE ARE LARGE SCALE LONG TERM PROJECTS IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE HANDLED TO ACCOMMODATE NECESSARILY THAT AMOUNT OF DENSITY WITHOUT DIRECTLY IMPACTING IN A NEGATIVE WAY. THE QUALITY OF LIFE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO DO LIVE HERE, THE ABILITY TO PATRON SHOPS TO GET DOWNTOWN AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PACKING PEOPLE INTO THE MOST, UM, CORE PARTS OF OUR URBAN AREAS WHERE THE TRAFFIC AND PARKING IS THE WORST. I THINK IT'S A PHILOSOPHY THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE FOR OUR CITY. SO GOING FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT'S ON THE DOCKET TONIGHT, CONSIDERATION FOR MORE GREEN SPACE LESS DENSITY. UM SETBACKS THAT ARE ALL THE WAY THAT AREN'T TAKEN BACK AT OFF.
AND YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GO FROM 25 TO 10. WE FALL 25 WITH THAT LESS DENSITY. WE SHOULD HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM AND I'LL SPEAK SPECIFICALLY IF I'M ABLE TO ON THOSE PROJECTS, BUT JUST AS A GENERAL SENTIMENT THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES, MISS SUSAN BAUMANN. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR OBAMA. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. EVERYTHING YOU
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GUYS HAVE SPOKEN TO HAS BEEN A GREAT LEEWAY FOR WHAT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU ABOUT WAYPOINT MANAGEMENT THAT'S BUILDING SPRING TREE. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ISSUES, BUT THE MAIN ISSUE NOW IS THEY'RE TRESPASSING ON OUR PROPERTY. THEIR CONSTRUCTION FENCE IS ON OUR PROPERTY.THEY'VE BUILT IT ON OUR PRESERVE THAT WE HAVE A PANTHER AGREEMENT AND I'VE GOT THAT TONIGHT. I CAN SHOW YOU AND BETSY LINDSEY, WHO'S A WELL RESPECTED SURVEYOR . THIS IS THE CERTIFIED SURVEY.
AND THERE'S ALSO A DRAWING INCLUDED OF ALL THE AREAS WHERE THEY IMPACTED ARE PRESERVED AND ACTUALLY GONE OVER. THEY HAVE FENCED IN CLEAR CUT ON THEIR CONSTRUCTION FENCE, CLEAR CUT TO MAKE THEIR FENCE ON BOTH SIDES. AND MICHAEL BERLINER, WHO SOME OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH. HE WAS HERE AT ALL THE HEARINGS TOLD ME MAYBE WE HAVE A VARIANCE TO DO THAT, SINCE WE'RE NEW CONSTRUCTION. THE HEAD OF CONSTRUCTION ON SITE TOLD ME WE ARE AT LEAST 50 FT. OFF YOUR PROPERTY, AND THEIR ON SITE MANAGER TOLD ME YOUR WEEDS WILL GROW BACK. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. AS A COMMUNITY. I'VE TRIED WORKING WITH THEM. WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH THEM.
THEY WOULD NOT SHARE THEIR SURVEYS. SO WE WERE FORCED AS A COMMUNITY AT OUR OWN COST TO GET THIS SURVEY DONE AND THEY HAVE DESTROYED ARE PRESERVED. THEIR BERM IS BUILT ON OUR WETLAND AND THE BERM THE WAY IT'S BUILT IN THE FENCING. IT'S EVERY DAY IT'S SPILLING OVER MORE. BUT WE HAVE A COMPANY COMING IN TO SURVEY. WHAT IT WILL COST TO RESTORE ARE PRESERVED. BUT YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH NO DISRESPECT A FEW TREES BEING WATERED IF YOU CAME AND SAW A SITE VISIT, AND SO HOW MANY OF OUR TREES THEY PLOW DOWN WHEN THEY CLEAR CUT FOR THE FENCE, AND WE'VE GOT A FENCE ON OUR PROPERTY. IT'S TRESPASSING, AND NO ONE CAN HELP US. I'VE GOT COMMISSIONER HEATHERINGTON INVOLVED, SHE SAID. IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. SO I'M HERE. JUST BEGGING YOU FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE WITH THIS. I'VE MET WITH MR NICOLOSI. IN HIS ABSENCE. I MET WITH BLUE HAT AND I BELIEVE IT IS. I'VE KEPT MR DIAZ IN THE LOOP WITH EMAILS, DOCUMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT IT'S TRULY, UM, A BIG PROBLEM. THEY WON'T RETURN OUR CALLS, THEY SAID OUR SURVEY IS INCORRECT. AND THE ONE LAST THING SO YOU KNOW, OUR SURVEY IS CORRECT. AH BETSY LINDSAY SAW THE MONUMENT THAT'S ON. SORRY. THE MEDALLION THAT'S ON TOP OF THE MONUMENT AT THE PROPERTY CORNER, WHERE THE FURTHEST OVER AND SHE ACTUALLY WAS THE ONE WHO PLACED THAT MONUMENT SO YOU CAN SEE OUR MONUMENT HERE. AND HERE'S THEIR FENCE LINE ARE MONUMENTS IN THEIR OFFENSE SIGNS . WHATEVER SURVEY COMPANY THEY'VE USED ISN'T EVEN WORKING OFF OF THE MONUMENTS. I HAVE A LOT MORE DETAILS FOR YOU. I'M GOING TO TRY AND SECURE MEETINGS WITH EACH OF YOU THIS WEEK. AND ONE OF THE REASONS OUTSIDE OF OUR PROJECT IS I NEED YOU ALL TO REALIZE THESE DEVELOPERS AND THE WAY THEY BEHAVED AND I'VE GOT EMAILS FROM THEM. I HAVE THEY HAVE FALSIFIED MINUTES FROM MEETINGS. THEY TOLD IN THE LAST MINUTE I CAN SHOW YOU THEY SAID THAT WE AGREED NOT TO CONTACT THE CITY OF STEWART OR MARTIN COUNTY BECAUSE IT WOULD ONLY DELAY THE PROJECT AND IT WILL CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS. THANK YOU, MR BOWMAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THINK I'D LIKE US TO. LOOK INTO THIS. SO WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO IT. MR NICOLOSI HAS BEEN OUT THERE LONG WITH THE COUNTY AND THE DEVELOPER. UM I WILL GET A BRIEF FROM HIM. AND HAVE YOU GUYS ALL BRIEFED BEFORE YOUR MEETINGS WITH THIS MOMENT, SO YOU'LL HAVE INFORMATION, OKAY? THIS SEEMS I DON'T WANT WHAT HAPPENED AT OSPREY PRESERVED TO HAPPEN. EVER AGAIN. SO. A REACTION TO OSPREY PRESERVE WAS A STOP WORK ORDER. ONCE OUR STEP THOROUGHLY VETS. IT. AND WE SEE BOTH SIDES. WE'LL GO FROM THERE. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE DID NOT. MOVING ON COMMISSIONERS BEFORE US. WE HAVE
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THE WERE THERE ANY ONLINE? THANK YOU. MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR MOTION FOR APPROVAL.THE CONSENT CALENDAR. IN A SECOND. ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON APPROVAL THAT CONSENT AGENDA? THERE'S NOT. HEARING NONE. MADAM CLERK WE PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. COMMISSIONER BRUNER. YES MACDONALD. YES CLARK? YES.
MATHESON YES, COMMISSIONER MEYER? YES? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. UNDER COMMISSION
[5. BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR WATER/SEWER PROJECT AND MEMORIAL PHASE 4 DESIGN (RC): RESOLUTION No. 64-2022; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING BUDGET ADMENDMENT NO. 15 TO THE 2021-2022 ENTERPRISE FUND AND GENERAL FUND; APPROPRIATING AND AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS FOR DIXIE HIGHWAY FORCE MAIN PROJECT & MEMORIAL PARK PHASE 4 DESIGN PROJECT; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
ACTION. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR WATER SEWER PROJECT. AND MEMORIAL PHASE FOR PART DESIGN. THIS IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 64. DASH 2022. AND IT WAS PRESENTED BY MR DIES. BUT MR MARTEL, WOULD YOU READ THE RESOLUTION? ACTUALLY TRYING TO PULL IT UP ON THERE. IT IS SORRY THAT UM THIS IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 65-202 TO A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY[01:15:07]
OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE A COST SHARE AGREEMENT. THE ONE BEFORE IT NUMBER 5 64. SUPPORT 206. I WAS AT 65, WHICH IS FOUR ABOVE BUT UM, IT WAS IN THE CONSENT CALENDAR. RESOLUTION NUMBER 64-202 TO A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA. AUTHORIZING BUDGET MINUTE BUDGET AMENDMENT NUMBER 15 THE 2021 2022 ENTERPRISE FUND AND GENERAL FUND , APPROPRIATING AND AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS FOR DIXIE HIGHWAY FORCE, MAIN PROJECT AND MEMORIAL PARK FACE FOR DESIGN PROJECT PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. I PUT THIS ON COMMISSION ACTION RATHER THAN CONSENT, ONE TO DISCUSS WHAT'S GOING ON OR TO INFORM YOU OF WHAT'S GOING ON ON DIXIE HIGHWAY. BUT SECONDLY, BECAUSE IT'S AN ART OF FUNDED INITIATIVE, UM ONE OF THE PIECES OF THE ARMOR FUNDING IS FOR THE DESIGN WORK FOR PHASE FOUR MEMORIAL PARK AND THE OTHER WOULD BE TO PAY FOR THIS, UH, WORK THAT'S BEING DONE ON DIXIE HIGHWAY. SO THE COUNTY AND F DOT ARE DOING A PROJECT ALONG A ONE A, UM, AND RUNS UP IN THROUGH THE AREA OF WHERE FIVE. A CUT OFF IS AND THAT PROJECT INCLUDES REPAVING SURFACES AND AS WELL AS SOME STORMWATER WORK. AND WHILE DOING THE STORMWATER WORK, IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, OUR PIPES RUN RIGHT THROUGH THE STORM WATER LINE. SO WE WERE TOLD, WE HAVE TO MOVE THOSE AND THIS RESOLUTION WILL ACTUALLY IMPROVE STORMWATER AS WELL AS REPLACING OLD PIPES WERE IN THAT LOCATION FOR BOTH SEWER AND WATER, SO IT HITS ALL THREE UTILITIES FOR APPROVAL. SECOND. PROMOTION AND APPROVAL ON RESOLUTION 64-2020 TO ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION. I DO NOT. POLITICALLY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL COMMISSIONER BRUNER YES, COMMISSIONER MEYER. YES COMMISSIONER CLARK? YES MATHESON ? YES. VICE MAYOR MCDONALD. YES. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.[6. SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH STUART MAIN STREET FOR 2023 FISCAL YEAR (RC): RESOLUTION NO. 66-2022; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE A SERVICE AGREEMENT FOR STUART MAIN STREET BETWEEN THE CITY/CRA AND STUART MAIN STREET, INC., FOR THE PROMOTION OF ECONOMIC BENEFITS, REDEVELOPMENT, AND MAINTENANCE OF THE STUART MAIN STREET DISTRICT FOR THE 2023 FISCAL YEAR; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH STUART MAIN STREET. THIS IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 66-2022. RESOLUTION 6 6-2020 TO A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE A SERVICE AGREEMENT FOR STEWART MAIN STREET BETWEEN THE CITY CR A AND STEWART MAIN STREET FOR THE PROMOTION OF ECONOMIC BENEFITS, REDEVELOPMENT AND MAINTENANCE OF THE STUART MAIN STREET DISTRICT FOR THE 2023 FISCAL YEAR, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. SO THIS WAS A SERVICE AGREEMENT THAT HAD A THREE YEAR TERM IN IT, AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE TERM, THERE WAS SOME DISCREPANCY AS TO WHAT MONTH IT STARTED IN THE YEAR AND WHAT CONSTITUTED A YEAR, BUT AT THE END OF THE TERM, IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT EVEN IF IT WAS THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, THERE WAS A CLAUSE IN THERE ALLOWED US TO GO AS FAR OUT AS NO OR NO FURTHER THAN 2023. SO AT THE BELIEVE IT WAS THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. I HAD ASKED IF ANYONE HAD ANY HEARTBREAK ABOUT US CONTINUING FOR ONE EXTRA YEAR AND THEN ADDRESSING IT IN THE FISCAL YEAR 23 FOR A COMPLETE REVIEW EVALUATION OF THE SERVICE AGREEMENT. I ALSO CHECKED WITH MR KUROWSKI AND WE ARE THEY ARE COMPLIANT WITH ALL OF THE SERVICE DELIVERABLES UP TO DATE. AND I ALSO FORWARDED EACH OF YOU THEIR BUDGET THAT THEY HAD SUBMITTED TO US AS WELL. UM SO WE'RE LOOKING TO EXTEND THE CONTRACT FOR THE ONE YEAR THE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED IN THAT CONTRACT FROM ITS CURRENT STATE IS THE TERM JUST GIVING THEM THE ONE YEAR WONDERFUL APPROVAL. SECOND PROMOTION FOR APPROVAL BY VICE MAYOR MCDONALD AND I BELIEVE THE 1ST 2ND WAS COMMISSIONER BRUNER. FOR RESOLUTION 66 TO 2022. EXTENSION OF ONE ADDITIONAL YEAR TO CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION. WE DO NOT. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES MCDONALD. YES MATHESON? YES BRUNER AND COMMISSIONER MEYER? YES. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. WE HAVE ELIMINATED ITEMS SEVEN AND[9. REPEAL & REESTABLISH CHAPTER 36, ARTICLE V, CODE OF ORDINANCES (RC): ORDINANCE No. 2488-2022; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, REPEALING AND REESTABLISHING CHAPTER 36, ARTICLE V, COMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY, OF THE CITY OF STUART CODE OF ORDINANCES; PROVIDING INTENT AND PURPOSE, APPLICABILITY AND AUTHORITY TO IMPLEMENT; PROVIDING DEFINITIONS; PROVIDING FOR NOTICE OF TRANSFER, SALE, OR ASSIGNMENT OF ASSETS; PROVIDING FOR REGISTRATION FOR PLACING OR MAINTAINING COMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHTS-OF-WAY; PROVIDING THE REQUIREMENT OF A PERMIT; PROVIDING FOR APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS AND REVIEW PROCEDURES; PROVIDING FOR CONSTRUCTION METHODS FOR PLACING OR MAINTAINING FACILITIES IN PUBLIC RIGHTS-OF-WAY; PROVIDING DEVELOPMENT AND OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS; PROVIDING FOR INSURANCE AND INDEMNIFICATION; PROVIDING FOR FEES AND TAXES; PROVIDING FOR A RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND REMEDIES; PROVIDING ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY; PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITIES; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.]
EIGHT. AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER NINE. REPEAL AND RE ESTABLISHED. CHAPTER 36 ARTICLE FIVE CODE OF ORDINANCES. THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER. 24. 8 8-2022. YOU ASKED FOR CITY ATTORNEY TO READ THE ORDINANCE. IT'S AMERICAN. I JUST GO BACK. IT'S JUST AGREE THAT EVEN THOUGH WE READ THE TITLE OF THE RESOLUTION, IT CAME WITH THE SERVICE AGREEMENT, WHICH IS ANOTHER SEPARATE THING. WHEN WE[01:20:01]
ADOPTED WE ADOPTED THE RESOLUTION, INCLUDING THE SERVICE AGREEMENT. WE JUST NEED TO MENTION THE SERVICE AGREEMENT , ESPECIALLY THE AUTHOR STREET, THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZED THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE SERVICE, AGREED. IT'S JUST THAT IT WAS NEVER MENTIONED. IN THE VOICE SPORT, THAT'S ALL. IN THE WHITE BOYS FOUGHT, BUT THE VOICE FOR ETCETERA ADOPTED RESOLUTION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR FOR THE PUBLIC FOR CLARIFICATION RESOLUTION. 66 2022 IS A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE SERVICE AGREEMENT FOR THE STUART MAIN STREET BETWEEN THE CITY SIERRA AND STEWART MAIN STREET FOR THE PROMOTION OF ECONOMIC BENEFITS, REDEVELOPMENT AND MAINTENANCE OF THE STUART MAIN STREET DISTRICT FOR THE 2023 FISCAL YEAR, PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES, SO IT DOES AUTHORIZE THE THERE WERE NO COMMENTS ON THE SERVICE AGREEMENT. YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AH BEFORE US. WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE REPEAL AND RE ESTABLISHED CHAPTER 36 ARTICLE FIVE OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. ORDINANCE NUMBER TWO FOUR 8 8-2022. AND THE LAST MR MARTEL TO READ THE ORDINANCE. THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2488-202 TO AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA. REPEALING AND REESTABLISHING CHAPTER 36 ARTICLE FIVE COMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY OF THE CITY OF STEWART CODE OF ORDINANCES, PROVIDING INTENT AND PURPOSE APPLICABILITY AND AUTHORITY TO IMPLEMENT PROVIDING DEFINITIONS, PROVIDING FOR NOTICE OF TRANSFER, SALE OR ASSIGNMENT OF ASSETS, PROVIDING FOR REGISTRATION FOR POLICING OR MAINTAINING COMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY, PROVIDING THE REQUIREMENT OF A PERMIT PROVIDING AN APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS AND REVIEW PROCEDURES PROVIDING FOR CONSTRUCTION METHODS FOR PLACING OR MAINTAINING FACILITIES AND PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY, PROVIDING DEVELOPMENT AND OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. PROVIDING FOR INSURANCE AND INDEMNIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR FEES AND TAXES, PROVIDING FOR RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND REMEDIES, PROVIDING ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERAL ABILITIES PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU. MY PLEASURE. I'M HANDLING THIS MATTER ON BEHALF OF DEVELOPMENT TONIGHT. UM, THIS IS A LONG TIME COMING. CITY MANAGER HAD ASKED US TOO. COME FORWARD WITH SOME DESIGN STANDARDS. AND IT'S RELATED TO THE FIVE G TOWERS THAT ARE BEING PLACED IN RIGHT OF WAYS PURSUANT TO THE 2019 AND 2020 LEGISLATIVE YEARS, UPDATING THEM. AND EVERY TIME WE WERE COMING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SOMEONE OBJECTING OR SOMEONE WANTING TO TWEAK IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, UM WE HAD A BUNCH OF A FLURRY OF ACTIVITY.WE HAD READ IT ON FIRST READING AND THEN FOLLOWING AT THE CONSULTANTS HAD CONTACTED ME, AND THERE WAS ISSUES THAT HAD BEEN IN IT. THAT WERE IN THE ORIGINAL DRAFT THAT WE'RE NOW IN CONFLICT WITH THE 2020 UPDATE BUT WERE BASED ON THE 2019 LEGISLATION. AND IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT JUPITER ISLAND HAD PASSED AND ORDINANCE AND GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT I REVIEWED IT AND I FOUND IT AND THIS ORDINANCE. UM VERY CLOSELY FOLLOWS THE JUPITER ISLAND REGULATION, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF JUBA ISLAND, HAD SOME VERY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE AS IT PERTAINED TO THE FACT THAT THEY HAD BURIED ALL OF THEIR UTILITIES. SO THERE WASN'T A LOT OF COMMON POLLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR PEOPLE TO USE. WE ARE NOT IN THAT FORTUNE OF A POSITION. BUT, UM. THE PROCESS THOUGHT AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO RED LINES IN IT BECAUSE IT'S VIRTUALLY ALL NEW LANGUAGE. WAS TO SCRAP THE OTHER ONE RATHER THAN TRYING TO MIX AND MATCH IT.
I NOTIFIED ALL THE CONSULTANTS AND THE FOLKS THAT WERE INVOLVED AND TOLD THEM OUR INTENTIONS HERE. IT WAS TO BE HEARD BEFORE YOU LAST TWO MONDAYS AGO, AND FOR SOME REASON, WHEN I UPLOAD IT INTO THE SYSTEM, THE OLD ORDINANCE UPLOADED, NOT THE NEW ORDINANCE, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAD A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO READ IT. SO I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER TO CONTINUE IT TO THIS MEETING. THIS IS CONSIDERED THE FIRST READING EVEN THOUGH WE DID HAVE A FIRST READING ON IT BECAUSE ALL THE LANGUAGES CHANGED ITS SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH FOR DUE PROCESS PURPOSES THAT WE'VE DECIDED TO CALL IT FIRST READING AGAIN. UM AND AS I SAID, I FIGURED WELL, IF THEY CHALLENGE US, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHALLENGE JUPITER ISLAND TO HAVE SOME SHELTER. BUT I AND I HONESTLY YOU KNOW, I MET WITH AARON ON HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS ABOUT THIS THING WE MET WITH KEVIN. WE HAD OTHER DISCUSSIONS WE MET WITH CONSULTANTS. IT'S KIND OF NEW NEW STUFF. BECAUSE FIVE G IS NEW . WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE INSTALLING IS NEW AND THE FLORIDA REGULATIONS ARE NEW. AND SO IT'S VERY COMPLICATED AND YOU
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KNOW WE DID OUR BEST. THANK YOU, MR MARTEL. THIS IS ANOTHER CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF. HOME RULE LIMITATIONS, RIGHT? I'M JUST WE HAVE TO DO AND WE'RE CAUGHT BETWEEN. WHAT THE COMMUNICATION COMPANIES WANT US TO DO, OR IT WAS VERIFYING THAT THIS DOES HAVE THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. IT DOES. YEAH I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL. WE HAVE NO CHOICE. BUT YES, HERE IT IS.UM MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2488. THAT'S 2022 A SECOND. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION? THERE IS NOT NO PUBLIC COMMENT. HE CAN'T SEE YOU. I CAN HEAR YOU COULDN'T I CAN SEE IT AFTERNOON . MY NAME IS CAMPBELL RICH AND SPEAKING TO MY CAMERA. MY NAME IS CAMPBELL RICH AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY CONDOLENCES TO THE CITY. WITH REGARD TO THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT IMPOSED BY THE STATE TO PASS THIS ORDINANCE. CONGRATULATIONS APPARENTLY ARE DUE TO MR MARTEL, FOR HE IS CRAFTED WITHIN THOSE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS. THE STRICTEST ORDINANCE YOU CAN BASED ON JUPITER ISLAND, APPARENTLY. I'M SURE MOST PEOPLE WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED TO LEARN. THAT THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS WILL NOW SHOULDER MUCH OF THE RESPONSIBILITY AND SOME OF THE COSTS. FOR MAINTAINING THE LOCAL COMMUNICATION FACILITIES OF SOMETHING IN THE LARGEST CELL PHONE COMPANIES IN THE WORLD. SO WHEN PEOPLE HEAR HOME RULE IS BEING ELIMINATED, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS. THIS IS ONLY ONE INSTANCE. UH, COMMISSIONER MEYER MADE A VERY GOOD POINT AT THE ATTAINABLE HOUSING MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT WHEN HE SAID IN OUR EFFORT IN THE CITY'S EFFORT TO PROVIDE ATTAINABLE HOUSING. THE STATE IS NOW IMPOSING A FINANCIAL BURDEN. AND THOSE DECISIONS. SO. I JUST THINK THIS CAN WE SHOULD ALL BE AWARE OF THIS CONTINUOUS TAKING. OF OUR ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR OURSELVES FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY. AND ITS CITIZENS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF. I CONTINUALLY FIGHT AGAINSTH THE HELP OF OUR LOCAL LEGISLATORS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR RICH. YOU KNOW, IT'S AN IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE, BUT CAMPBELL'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT YOU KNOW WE'RE HAVING HOME REAL STRIPPED AWAY. AND. WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING THIS FIGHT. UH COMMISSIONER MYERS DONE A GREAT JOB TO ASK FEW YEARS. UH I'VE FOUGHT THE FIGHT. MR COMPANY WAS ON THE COMMISSION FOUGHT THE FIGHT. WE ALL HAVE FOUGHT THE FIGHT AND THE WHEN THEY BE LEGISLATURE WOULD THEY GET UP TO TALLAHASSEE. THEY ARE 400 MILES FROM HOME AND IT IS WHAT IT IS. I THINK THIS PARTICULAR AH STATUTE WHEN THEY PASSED THE BILL A T AND T. I WAS TOLD THAT A T AND T ALONE HAD 110 LOBBYISTS ON IT. WOW I MEAN, JUST WROTE IT WAS THAT THEY WROTE IT. THE LOBBYIST CERTAINLY WROTE IT. WE KNOW THAT, BUT I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST ONE LOBBYIST FOR EVERY MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATURE. I MEAN, IT'S INSANE. UM. WE'RE IN IT. WE'RE SWIMMING UPSTREAM ON THIS AND AH AND I CAN GUARANTEE A NEXT YEAR WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE HOME RULE ERODED AWAY. THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE OUR THEY'RE GONNA I THINK THERE WAS A BILL LAST YEAR AND I DON'T BE HONEST. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO IT. I DON'T THINK IT I THINK YOU GOT VETOED OR DIDN'T PASS THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO DO AN ECONOMIC STUDY BEFORE TO SEE IF IT WOULD HURT ANY BUSINESS IN THE STATE.
BEFORE WE COULD PASS AN ORDINANCE. I HAVE HEARD THAT BILL HAS FULL INTENTION OF COMING BACK. YEAH AND THEN IF WE DO HER IF WE PASS AN ORDINANCE AND THEN SOMEONE COMES ALONG AND SAYS THEIR BUSINESS WAS FINANCIALLY HURT. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SUE US. AND SO THAT IS GOING TO THAT IS GONNA BE ASKING. BE INTERESTING IF THAT HAPPENS, UM, SO WE'LL JUST KEEP PLUGGING AWAY AT IT, BUT, UM, BUT IT IS A PROBLEM. AND I REMEMBER WHEN THIS BILL AND I ALSO KNOW THE YEAR BEFORE THEY PASSED THIS BILL. THEY PASSED A BILL THAT SAID THAT ANY INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THAT BELONGED TO THE ANY UTILITY WITHIN THE RIGHT AWAY WHEN WE MOVED UH, WELL, IF WE DID A CAPACITY PROJECT ON A ROAD AND WIDEN THE ROAD, IT USED TO BE THE UTILITIES SINCE THEY'RE GETTING THE FREE THE RIGHT AWAY FOR FREE HAD TO MOVE THEIR OWN UTILITIES. NOW THE AGENCY BUILDING THE ROAD HAS TO PAY FOR THE MOVING OF THOSE UTILITIES.
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AND GUESS WHAT THESE LITTLE CELL PHONE TOWERS ARE GOING TO BE EVERYWHERE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY 1000 FT RANGE ON FIVE G TOWERS. SO IT'S JUST TERRIBLE. AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA FRY OUR BRAINS, OF COURSE . BUT YEAH, OKAY. THANK YOU. DON'T GO THERE, HELPING HIM BY HOLDING IT UP TO MY HEAD. THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS AND I'M SORRY TO EVERYONE, PLEASE. PUSH FOR FIGHTING FOR HOME RULE. OKAY? UM AND I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER MEYER FOR BEING MULTIPLE YEARS IN A ROW AT HOME ROOM HERO. TRYING TO DEFEND ALL THE ATTACKS. ON ANY DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY WE GET SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU HEAR A STORY THREE. WE HAVE THREE MINUTES. JUST NOT TAKING LONG ENOUGH. WE'VE GOT TWO MORE HOURS TO BURN COURSE WHEN I WAS SITTING IN MR MYERS CHAIR. I WAS IN WASHINGTON AND I SPOKE AT A SENATE HEARING JUST ON NOT FIVE G BUT ON CELL PHONE TOWERS IN PARTICULAR. AND WHO WAS THERE TO SPEAK BEFORE ME? SOMEONE FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA. COMPLAINING THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS PREEMPTED TO STATES' RIGHTS. TO, UH, REGULATE CELL PHONE TOWERS. SO IT GOES AROUND. BIG CIRCLE. CAN WE FOR YOU? CONDO ASSOC. IT'LL GUY THE LITTLE GUY KIND OF BOARDS. NOT EVEN THOUGH MADAM, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON ORDINANCE NUMBER TWO FOUR 8 8-2022 COMMISSIONER BURNER. YES VICE MAYOR MCDONALD. YES MAYOR MATHESON. YES COMMISSIONER MEYER? YES, COMMISSIONER CLARK? YES? MOTION PASSES, YOU KNOW.ORDINANCE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MOTION. FINALLY, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION. UH
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AH. ON FP AND L E V CHARGING STATIONS. WE HAVE MR BEN HOGARTH IS GETTING PREPARED. I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT PREVIOUS ITEM AS WE TALKED ABOUT ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGERS, WE WERE GIVEN DIRECTION TO CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH F P L AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHERE THEY WANTED TO SITE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS D AND D IS ABOUT. AND IF YOU GUYS, UM, GIVE US DIRECTION ON SITE LOCATIONS, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH A CONTRACT OF FP AND L THAT WE WOULD BRING BACK FOR YOUR APPROVAL, SO YOU WOULD STILL HAVE ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE. UM SECONDLY WAS TO BRING BACK AN RFP LANGUAGE TO PUT OUT FOR ANY E V CHARGING COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT MIGHT HAVE A REVENUE SOURCE OPTION IN IT. AND THEN, THIRDLY WAS TO PROVIDE A SIERRA INCENTIVE PROGRAM FOR ANY BUSINESSES THAT WANTED TO PUT CHARGERS WITHIN THEIR BUSINESS PARKING LOT AND RECEIVE SOME TYPE OF SIERRA BENEFIT, WHICH IS STILL BEING WORKED ON AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THE CRB. THANK YOU.MR HOGARTH WE HEAR FROM, YOU KNOW NO, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON. COMMISSIONERS WERE JUST TRYING TO GET THIS FULL SCREEN FOR YOU SO YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
HERE WE GO. UM GOOD EVENING AGAIN COMMISSIONERS BEN HOGARTH COMMUNITY SERVICES. FOR THE RECORD, IT'S KIND OF SMALL ON THE SCREEN. UM THE WAY THAT'S WORKING, BUT I'M GOING TO TRY AND RUN THROUGH IT REALLY QUICK. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY IN SO NOT A PRESENTATION . JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH F P L AND EARLIER IN JULY, WE MET WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM F PL TO DISCUSS JUST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LOCATIONS OR PLAUSIBLE TO, UH, WORK WITH THEM AND PUTTING THIS THIS SUPERCHARGER PROJECT DOWNTOWN AND. THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAD SOME POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THEM. THE THREE SITES THAT WE VISITED AND IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN, BUT UH HUH. IT DIDN'T COME OUT QUITE AS I HAD IT IN THE IN THE ADOBE ON THE SCREEN. BUT UM, THE SPOT HERE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IS THE SAILFISH PARKING LOT. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. UM THIS IS THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED. AND SO THE REASON IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THAT IS ANY ANY PROJECT THAT F P L IS DOING WITH THIS PROGRAM, THEY NEED TO BE NEAR COMMERCIAL SPACE , AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT IS WHEN IT AS PEOPLE ARE CHARGING THEIR VEHICLES AND THESE ARE CHARGING STATIONS, NOT PARKING STATIONS OR SPOTS. IT'S
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IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO GET BACK TO THEIR CAR WITHIN THE 23 MINUTE TIME FRAME BECAUSE THEY ARE CHARGED EXORBITANT FEE ANY MINUTE OVER 100% OF CHARGE, OF COURSE, BEING CHARGING PARKING SPACES. THEY HAVE TO LEAVE THE SPACE AS SOON AS THEY'RE DONE CHARGING BY LAW, SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE ARE NEAR THE COMMERCIAL AREA JUST TO KIND OF SPEND 20 MINUTES. UM AND THAT'S WHERE THE MARKET IS RIGHT NOW. SPENDING MONEY GETTING COFFEE, WHATEVER IT IS, FOR 23 MINUTES, GETTING BACK TO THEIR VEHICLE, SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEREVER THESE CHARGES ARE THERE CLOSE TO THAT, SO SPOT NUMBER ONE WAS THE SAILFISH PARKING LOT. SPOT AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THESE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER IN THE NEXT SCREENS. SPOT NUMBER TWO WAS THE WELLS FARGO BUILDING, WHICH WE'VE PURCHASED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THAT'S HERE. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE SELFISH BALL FIELD PARKING LOT, WHICH IS COUNTY OWNED, AND THEN I BELIEVE THERE IS A MUTUAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY FOR ITS OPERATIONS SO THAT ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED, BUT, UH, WE LOOKED AT THAT ONE AS WELL DOWN HERE. THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE FOR THAT. AND THEN ALSO WE BRIEFLY WENT BY THE QANTAS PARK. TO SEE THE EXISTING STATIONS, WHICH ARE LEVEL TWO STATIONS OUT THERE NOW UNDER THE SOLAR CANOPY AND SEE IF THERE WAS AN OPTION THERE AND I'M GONNA GO THROUGH. I EVEN HAVE THE EMAIL FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES. WE HAVE EMAIL, UM, FROM THE FTL REPRESENTATIVE IN CASE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID. BUT THIS IS THE SAILFISH PARKING LOT AGAIN. IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ADOBE PROGRAM CAME OUT ON THE SCREEN, BUT THESE FOUR SPOTS RIGHT HERE WERE IDENTIFIED BY FPL'S SPECIFICALLY IS ONE OF THEIR PRIMARY CHOICES AND THE REASON WHY IS THE ACCESS TO ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE HERE? SO THE SAILFISH PARKING LOT? UM IT'S REALLY JUST ACROSS THE TRAIN TRACKS FROM CITY HALL HERE VERY CLOSE TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA ARE THE HEART OF OUR COMMERCIAL ZONE . UM AND SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THESE FOUR SPACES HERE. AND THEN, UM, I ALSO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, THE TWO SPACES ADJACENT. THAT WOULD BE SORT OF AN EXAMPLE OF, UH YOU KNOW, THE IN THE FUTURE IN THE 10 YEAR AGREEMENT, PL WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND TO THE FULL SIX SPACES AS THEY PROPOSED BEFORE. UM THAT'S THERE, AND THERE WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY NO ISSUE IN BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. SO IT'S EASY ACCESS FOR F P L AT THE SAILFISH PARKING LOT. UM THE ONLY KIND OF THE SAILFISH PARKING LOT SPACE WAS THAT THEY SAID THAT BECAUSE OF THE ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE WILL NEED THEY MIGHT HAVE TO INSTALL A NEW POLL THERE. UM BUT THEY COULD DO SO WITHOUT AFFECTING THE LANDSCAPING, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT I THINK IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN HERE. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT. SO THAT'S THE SAILFISH PARKING LOT SPOT AND THEN THE SECOND PRIMARY SPOT. THEY TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO SEE. UM IS IT THE THIS WOULD BE THE MOST SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE WELLS FARGO PARKING LOT, BUT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UM, HYPOTHETICALLY, EVEN DOING PARALLEL SPACES. I BELIEVE SOME OF THE CITY OWNED PARALLEL SPACES. GO ALONG OSCEOLA UP HERE. AND IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO PUT IN PARALLEL SPACES. THE CHALLENGE WITH DOING THAT IS AGAIN BEING LEVEL THREE CHARGERS THEY REQUIRE TRANSFORMERS, THE LARGER INFRASTRUCTURE AND I'M ALSO GLAD YOU'RE HERE.COMMISSIONER MARO YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR THE LAST ONE. SO THIS IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF UPDATE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM SO THE CHALLENGE HERE IS YOU COULD PLACE THE FOUR SPACES ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. THERE'S PLENTY OF ACCESS FOR SIX BASES. UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE CITY HAVING PURCHASED THIS BUILDING AND IN THE FUTURE WILL BE POSSIBLY TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE PARKING GARAGES OR PARKING . UH, UM, EXPANSION IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THIS PARCEL COULD BE YOU KNOW, PRIME FOR THAT SORT OF OPPORTUNITY. IN INARGUABLY SO COULD SAILFISH. SO YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THIS ISN'T A PARKING GARAGE DISCUSSION, THIS IS A 10 YEAR AGREEMENT WITH A 10 YEAR COMMITMENT, AND IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WILL NEED TO CONSIDER BEFORE WE CAN GIVE OUT KATIE F PL AND BRING THAT THAT THAT CONTRACT BACK BEFORE YOU FOR THE TERMS AND TO AGREE TO SO UM, THIS WAS THE WELLS FARGO PARKING LOT. THE ADVANTAGE HERE. IT'S FAIRLY EASY ACCESS TO THE ELECTRIC FOR THEM AS WELL. UM AGAIN, THE CHALLENGES MORE ON OUR END, WHERE THE TRANSFORMER WOULD GO, ALSO HAS ANOTHER CHALLENGING THING BECAUSE IT TAKES UP A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE SO THE ENGINEERING WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING THAN THE, UH, THE SAILFISH LOT SPOT, BUT IT IS DOABLE. AND, UM THEY? THEY EVEN MENTIONED TO US THAT THE PARALLEL SPOTS ARE ALSO POSSIBLE. SO THE WELLS FARGO IS KIND OF LIKE A TWO PARTER OF OPPORTUNITY THERE IF THE COMMISSION DECIDES TO GO THAT DIRECTION UM AND THEN THE SORT OF HONORABLE MENTION WAS QANTAS PARK. THE CHALLENGE HERE WAS EVEN THOUGH WE IDENTIFIED FOUR WITH WITH UP TO SIX SPACES FOR EXPANSION AND KIND OF THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PARK.
PRETTY MUCH ADJACENT TO WHERE UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY. THE EXISTING CHARGING STATIONS ARE THOSE ARE LEVEL TWOS. THESE WOULD BE LEVEL THREES. UM THE CHALLENGE WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE EASY ACCESS TO ELECTRIC THERE. SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE EXPENSIVE ON THEIR END AND IF THEY HAVE TO INSTALL MULTIPLE NEW POLLS, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT FOR FAVORABLE, UH TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL DOWN HERE, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE BEAUTIFICATION AND
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IMPROVEMENTS TO QANTAS PARK. SO, UM, I PUT IN THERE IS AN HONORABLE MENTION, SO THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE WE DID TALK ABOUT IT. THE PARKING IS WAS PLAUSIBLE. IT WAS JUST MORE OF AN ELECTRICAL, UM ISSUES. SO I GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE BECAUSE THIS IS JUST KIND OF A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE AREA. THESE WERE THE SPOTS IDENTIFIED BY THE CITY DOWNTOWN AND, UM F P L WAS ALSO INTERESTED IN COMPARATIVELY TO SOME OF THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD LAST TIME. UH FPL'S PRIMARILY TARGETING THE DOWNTOWN AREA CLOSE TO COMMERCIAL IN THE FUTURE. THERE'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN F D O T AND THE STATE ABOUT GETTING ACCESS TO INFRASTRUCTURE. BOTH ON THE HIGHWAYS AND THEN EVENTUALLY DOWNRANGE ALONG OTHER ROADS LIKE U. S ONE, WHICH IS STILL A US AND STATE AND FEDERAL ROADWAY SYSTEM IS JUST SORT OF ON THE LEVEL. THREE UH, PHASING FOR THE STATE'S NEW PLAN THAT PLAN I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER MCDONALD PASSING THAT ALONG. IT WAS IT WAS A DRAFT PLAN. UM WE JUST ENDED UP READING AND GOING THROUGH THAT ONE. IT WAS RELEASED BY F D O T. IN 2022. IT FOLLOWS UP ANOTHER E V PLAN THAT CAME OUT IN 2020. THERE WAS MORE OF A REPORT. SORT BY FDX, SO THEY PUT OUT A REPORT. UM IN 2020 THAT KIND OF SAID A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS, THIS REPORT SAYS F D O T JUST WENT AHEAD AND MADE A FULL PLAN FOR THE ROLLOUT OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR SORT OF YOUR FEEDBACK? UM IN ANY DISCUSSION ON EACH OF THESE PARCELS. WHAT THE WHAT THE PRESIDENT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION . HOW MANY LOCATIONS WOULD HAVE PL DO? YEAH ONLY ONLY ONE. FOR NOW. I CAN BEG FOR MORE LATER, BUT ONLY ONE FOR NOW. THEY'RE ONLY INTERESTED. AND SEEING OUR THOUGHTS ON ONE LOCATION. AND AS YOU TALKED ABOUT THE WELLS FARGO PARKING LOT DID THAT. DO THEY NEED TO INSTALL A NEW POLL THERE? THEY DIDN'T INDICATE THEY DIDN'T INDICATE THAT I CAN BRING UP. UM IT MIGHT BE EASIER IF I COULD TRY TO BRING UP THE EMAIL HERE. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE WELLS FARGO. WE'RE IN NEGOTIATION WITH THE REDEVELOPED WITH THE DEVELOPER TO REDEVELOP THAT PROPERTY. HOW IS THAT GOING TO THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. YEAH. CURRENTLY IN AND I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THOSE GUYS FOR A WHILE. BUT CURRENTLY THE REDEVELOPMENT HAS SHIFTED TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. SO IT WOULD BE FROM THE FLORIDA CANCER CENTER ALL THE WAY OVER TO GEORGIA. THEY NOW HAVE PLACIDO AND WITH THEM ON IT. AND SO THAT THOSE THAT WOULD BE ON THAT SIDE OF IT, AND THEN THEY'LL THE WEST SIDE OF IT WOULD REMAIN PARKING. UNTIL WE DECIDED TO MOVE TO A SECOND PHASE WITH THEM BECAUSE OF THE UNKNOWN OF THE DRIVE FOR FROM WELLS FARGO, OKAY? SO TO READ OFF OF THE EMAIL DIRECTLY, THEY STATE THAT THE WELLS FARGO POWER WOULD NEED TO COME FROM THE OVERHEAD LINES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THEY WOULD NEED TO DISCUSS FUTURE PLANS AND HOW THAT CAN IMPACT TV CHARGER LOCATION. SO THE CHALLENGE THERE IN THE NORTH PART OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE THE TOP OF THE SLIDE HERE. I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY MENTIONED, UM THE PARALLEL SPOTS WOULD BE PROBABLY AN EASIER ELECTRICAL CONNECTION FOR THEM RATHER THAN THAT SOUTH MOST, UM SOUTHMOST SPOTS HERE. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE COULDN'T UM, WORK WITH. I KNOW THIS IS NO LONGER IN USE THE DRIVE THROUGH FOR WELLS FARGO. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CORRECT THAT THERE ARE NO LONGER USING THAT SO AT SOME POINT IF WE'RE REDEVELOPING THE PROPERTY, UM IT'S POSSIBLE THEY COULD ALSO USE THE NORTH PART OF THE THAT PARCEL. BUT AGAIN, THE ISSUE IS , IS THIS GOING TO BE USED IN THE FUTURE FOR ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT? AND THAT THESE THESE CHARGING STATIONS WILL DEFINITELY IMPACT THAT DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT'S THE THAT'S THE CHALLENGE BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN WITH THE WITH ESPECIALLY WITH THE TESLA SUPERCHARGERS. UM AND I MEANT TO STOP AT THE ONE F P N R ONE'S OUT IN OKEECHOBEE WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE THE OTHER DAY, BUT I NEED TO GET BACK. UM IN ADDITION TO THE ACTUAL CHARGING STATION, THERE IS A LARGE TRANSFORMER THEY HAVE, OR MAYBE TWO THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT IN THESE THINGS. TAKE A LOT OF POWER. UM I THINK 480 VOLTS IS WHAT THEY NEED SO YOU KNOW IT'S TRYING TO.IT'S NOT JUST LOCATING THE ACTUAL STATION OR THE PUMP OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, UM I GUESS THAT'S PUMPED REALLY ISN'T THE RIGHT WORD. IT'S LOCATING THE TRANSFORMER. THAT'S THAT'S THE REAL THING IS THAT THING IS LARGE. IT'S A BIG TRANSFORMER. YEAH I GET. I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF I REMEMBER THERE WAS A TRANSFORMER THAT WAS INSTALLED IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF QANTAS. WHEN FTL DID THE SORE CAN BE PROJECT, BUT IT'S NOT ON THIS PICTURE. SO UM, THEIR DIMENSIONS ON THAT. TRANSFORMER AND THEN DID THE DISCUSSION COME UP ABOUT UNDERGROUND AND THE POWER. TO THAT TRANSFORMER LOCATION. NO, THAT DIDN'T CHOICE . IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WOULD HAVE TO BE. IT SOUNDS LIKE A NEW POLL. RIGHT? UH UM. PROBABLY THE NEW POLL ONLY ON
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THE WELLS FARGO IN THE PARKING LOT, BECAUSE THERE'S AN EXISTING POLL, WHICH IS THE REASON THEY WANTED THAT SITE LOCATION AT THE SAILFISH, AND THERE'S AN EXISTING POLE RIGHT THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS WHY THEY WOULD LIKE THE PARALLEL PARKING . YEAH, THIS IS THE EXISTING IT'S SELFISHNESS OR ELECTRICAL. MR MAYOR, BY MANY GO AHEAD. BEN MENTIONED THE DRAFT REPORT FROM THE STATE AND I BELIEVE I THINK I HAVEN'T SEEN THE AGENDA YET FOR THE MPO MEETING, WHICH I'M ABOUT THE MARTIN COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH IS THE STATEWIDE MPO IS THURSDAY. UM WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY ARE THOSE MEETINGS AND I BELIEVE THAT MAY BE ON THE AGENDA. THERE MAY BE SOME DISCUSSION REGARDING IT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM FROM READING THAT REPORT AND LOOKING AT IT, UH AND, UH, IS THAT THEY'VE IDENTIFIED CORRIDORS AND QUITE ASTUTELY. I HAD. I USED MY OWN PERCEPTIONS OF WHERE CHARGERS SHOULD BE AND WHAT THEY SHOULD BE. AND WHEN YOU READ THIS REPORT, YOU REALLY FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING AT DOING IS 80% OF AND I ALSO TALKED WITH AN F BNR REPRESENT 80% OF CHARGING HAPPENS THAT PEOPLE'S HOMES IT'S FILLING IN THE GAPS WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING, AND WHEN THEY HAD WHEN YOU SIT THERE, AND THERE'S A MAP IN THIS REPORT THAT IDENTIFIES CURRENT CORRIDORS, UM PENDING CORRIDORS AND FUTURE CORRIDORS, AND ONE OF THE SO THE CORRIDORS BETWEEN ORLANDO AND TAMPA AND DAYTONA ARE LIKE THE MAIN CORRIDORS AND THE TURNPIKE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'VE SEEN THESE ON THEIR ON TURNPIKE, BUT THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT AS ONE OF THE NEXT CORRIDOR. TO REALLY OPEN UP IS US ONE. AND FROM LOOKING AT THE LOCATIONS BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO US ONE. SAILFISH IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST LOCATIONS. UM. AND UH SO I EVEN WONDER IF YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT'S A SPOT OR OR THEY COULD EVEN DO THE PARALLEL SPOTS. ALONG DIXIE HIGHWAY. I DON'T KNOW, BUT BUT THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF US ONE AND TAKING THAT CONSIDERATION OF FILLING THE GAPS AND, UM OF PEOPLE TRYING TO TRENT, YOU KNOW, COMMUTE FROM DIFFERENT FROM CITY TO CITY, SO I KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON SILLY PROPERTY. BUT I MEAN SAILFISH AND THE LOCATION AND THE FACT THAT THE COURTHOUSE IS A MAJOR TRIP GENERATOR. WHAT IS THE POSSIBILITY OF WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND WITH THE THAT THE COURTHOUSE TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA AND THAT WHOLE AREA RIGHT THERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACK. I MEAN, YEAH , IT'S A GOOD COMMISSION QUESTION, COMMISSIONER BECAUSE WE WHEN WE WENT OUT ON OUR LITTLE TRAM TRIP WITH THE PROGRAM MANAGER AND THE ENGINEER , THEY THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS ATTRACTIVE TO THEM. THEY THOUGHT SAILFISH WAS THE MOST ATTRACTIVE SPOT BECAUSE FOR WHAT THEIR PROGRAM IS WHAT THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR THE CHALLENGE WITH WITH SOME OF THOSE LOTS BECAUSE I KNOW UM THE COURTHOUSE EMPLOYEES KIND OF USES OVERFLOW ONE OF THE ONE OF THE LOSSES OVERFLOW PART ACTUALLY, BECAUSE OF THAT. UM SEE IF YOU CAN. YOU CAN'T SEE IT ON THAT. BUT AH! LOOKING TO SEE WHERE THE BEST WAY TO SHOW THIS IS. IT'S SUCH A SMALL MAP ON THE SCREEN. BUT, UM THE OTHER REAL THAT LITTLE BIT BETTER. THANK YOU. THE COURTHOUSE IN AND THEN MEMORIAL PARK AND ARE ALL OF THESE LOTS DOWN. HERE ARE THIS IS THE EMPLOYEE LOT BEHIND THE COURTHOUSE. THESE ARE SORT OF AN OVERFLOW OF PUBLIC. WOULDN'T WE WENT DOWN HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT? FPL'S THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO PUT LIKE LEVEL TWO CHARGERS IN THE FUTURE AND ALL THAT. BUT FOR LEVEL THREE CHARGERS AND WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR, IT WAS JUST TOO FAR AWAY, INCLUDING THE SLOT FROM THE HEART OF THE COMMERCIAL AREA, WHICH IS WHAT THEY WERE TARGETING. FOR THE LEVEL THREE CHARGERS, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, HYPOTHESIZED IN THE FUTURE, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO A LOT, YOU KNOW, A LEVEL TWO CHARGING PROJECT WHETHER WITH THE COUNTY OR ANOTHER GROUP, BUT REALLY, ACCORDING TO THEIR EMAIL , THE MOST ATTRACTIVE OPTION THAT THEY THOUGHT WAS THE SAILFISH PARKING LOT. SO IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THE BALL FIELDS COULDN'T HAVE LEVEL TWO CHARGERS. YOU COULDN'T DO THE SAME THING, UM, ON A REDEVELOPMENT OF THE WELLS FARGO BUILDING. THE WELLS FARGO. YOU COULD ALSO DO LEVEL THREE, BUT WHAT? WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD IS THAT WHAT THEY REALLY NEEDED TO HAVE WAS THIS DIRECTED JASON C AND THE QANTAS PARK LOT WAS ALSO WITHIN THAT STRIKING DISTANCE. THE PROBLEM WAS MORE OF GETTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE INSTALLED, AND THAT'S ALSO SORT OF A CHALLENGE AT THE WELLS FARGO LOT. IT'S NOT LIKE THE LEVEL TWO CHARGERS, THOSE ARE PRETTY EASY TO FIT. WHAT'S OUR TIME LIMIT ON YEAH. WHAT WHEN DO THEY WANT TO KNOW? BY AND WE'D HAVE TO. WE'D HAVE TO ENTER AN AGREEMENT WITH[01:50:01]
THEM. I THINK PRETTY SOON BECAUSE IT'S I WANT TO SAY IT'S COMPETITIVE, BUT IT'S MORE OF A FIRST COME FIRST SERVED BASIS IN THE STATE. UM AND KIND OF LIKE WE DID WITH THE SOLAR CAMPY PROJECT WE STRUCK WHILE THE COLDS WERE HOT, AND THEN WE EVEN ASKED F PL WHEN THEY HAD SO MUCH MONEY FOR THAT FUNDING PROJECT TO EXPAND IT FROM 20 SPOTS TO 50. SO WE GOT A HUGE BENEFIT BY BEING ONE OF THE FIRST ONES IN AND KIND OF ASK THEM. THEY'RE NOT DOING AN EXPANSION PER SE WITH THIS AND NOT THAT WE WOULD WANT 20 SPOTS VERSUS FOR FIVE OR SIX, BUT IT CERTAINLY WHEN THE MONEY IS GONE FROM THAT PROGRAM , IT'S GONE AND THERE'S NO MORE AND THEY WERE TRYING TO DO THE WHOLE PROJECT WITHIN PRETTY MUCH THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. SO THIS WOULD BE FAIRLY FAST MOVING. IF YOU DID AGREE TO IT. OBVIOUSLY, THEY HAVE TO JUST GO TO THE ENGINEERING PART IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS FIRST. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF ANYONE UP HERE HAS ELECTRIC CAR SO I HAVE AN ELECTRIC BIKE.UM AROUND, I'LL GET ONE. IF YOU PAY FOR THE CHARGES EXPLODE. IF I PLUGGED IT INTO THIS, I BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW AGAIN FOR THE PUBLIC. THIS IS NOT THESE ARE NOT FREE CHARGING SPACES. PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING LIKE RENTAL CARS AND ELECTRIC RENTAL CARS AND THINGS SO. SO IN IN COMMISSIONER MCDONNELL KNOW THIS FROM THE REPORT THE NUMBERS OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN THIS STATE, IN OTHER WORDS ARE EXPECTED TO GROW AT A STAGGERING PACE. AND I'M CERTAINLY THE PRICE OF GAS HASN'T UM, HASN'T MITIGATED THAT. IN FACT, IT'S EXPANDED THE SPEED AND THE RATE OF CHANGE, BUT THEY'RE EXPECTING RIGHT NOW. ELECTRIC VEHICLES ACCOUNT FOR REALLY HALF A PERCENT OF ALL OF THE ELECTORATE OF ALL THE VEHICLES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA BY 2030. THEY WERE SAYING, EVEN AT A MODERATE GROWTH RATE FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING. YOU COULD HAVE 20% SO THE COMPOUND FACTORS PRETTY ASTRONOMICAL UP THERE, EVEN AT 10% IT'S A HUGE IT'S YOU'RE LOOKING AT MILLIONS OF VEHICLES ON THE ROAD. UM SO IT'S A LOT. GENERAL MOTORS. I THINK BY 2030 OR 2035. IT'S GOING TO BE WITH 35. IT'S GOING TO BE ALL ELECTRIC. UH, VOLKSWAGEN. AH HAS SO MANY NEW ELECTRIC AND THEY'RE THE LARGEST AUTOMOBILE MANUFACTURER IN THE WORLD.
THERE'S SO MANY NEW ELECTRIC CARS COMING OUT, THEY'RE GOING TO DISPLACE TESLA IN THE UNITED STATES IS THE NUMBER ONE ELECTRIC CAR PRODUCER IN THE UNITED STATES, SO IT'S THEY'RE COMING AND IT'S FAST. COMMISSION IF I CAN JUST WAIT AND I, UM I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF BEING CLOSER TO THE US ONE CORRIDOR AS THAT'S THEIR SORT OF PLAN. UM MY ONLY MY MAIN RESERVATION ABOUT TRYING TO LOCATE THEM IN THE SAILFISH PARKING LOT IS THAT YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW WE HAVE. WE HAVE PARKING CONSTRAINTS DOWNTOWN, AND THAT PARKING LOT IS PRETTY WELL. USED AND LOVED BY A LOT OF THE PATRONS OF THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, AND YOU KNOW, THESE ARE WE CAN'T REALLY CONSIDER THEM TO REALLY BE PARKING SPACES. I MEAN, THEY'RE CHARGING STATIONS AND TO MR HOGARTH POINT, YOU KNOW FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE PENALIZED FOR STAYING IN THERE LONGER THAN THEIR FULL CHARGE. SO I'M HESITANT TO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TATE KNOCKING OUT THAT'S PRETTY SIZABLE SHARE OF THE SPACES THAT ARE IN THAT PARKING AREA. UM I DO ALSO FEEL LIKE IT'S KIND OF SILLY FOR US TO CONSTRAIN OURSELVES, UM, BY PUTTING THE SPACES ON THE EXISTING PARKING LOT AT WELLS FARGO. I THINK IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR US TO PROBABLY PUT THEM IN THAT AREA, BUT I'M I'M MUCH MORE IN FAVOR OF US LOOKING AT THE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES THERE. IT'S IT SEEMS LIKE IF FP AND L IS IT IS OPEN TO DOING IT . THEN THEN THAT TELLS ME THAT IT'S NOT TOO FAR OUTSIDE OF THEIR DESIGNS FOR THE CORRIDOR. ARE IT SEEMS LIKE OUR GOAL IS AS WE REDEVELOP THE WELLS FARGO BUILDING INTO CITY HALL AND WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT WITH POTENTIAL PARKING STRUCTURE THERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ENCOURAGING. PARKING YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE DOWNTOWN PATRON PARKING IN THAT AREA AND WALKING OR TAKING A SHUTTLE OR OTHER TRANSIT TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA, SO IT MAKES MOST SENSE FOR ME FOR US TO TRY TO LAND ON THOSE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES ON RC OLA. UM BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S THE LEAST. IT WILL BE THE LEAST OF A HOLDUP FOR ANY KIND OF REDEVELOPMENT. WE MIGHT WANT TO PLAN FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
OKAY SO EITHER OPTION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FOUR SPOTS. TWO OPTIONS. CAN RESTRICT OUR ABILITY TO MAKE IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAYING OSCEOLA DOES NOT DO THAT. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M HEARING FROM. VICE MAYOR AS WELL. I DO HEAR YOUR POINT ABOUT US ONE, BUT A PIANO IS INTERESTED. IN THESE SPOTS FOR THE 20 MINUTES, THEY COULD GO DOWNTOWN OR SOMETHING. AND ALL
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THREE OF THOSE MATCHED THAT. I AGREE. I'M VERY RELUCTANT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS OF PURCHASING WELLS FARGO WAS TO CONTROL THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF PARKING AND HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE OF THE GARAGE. THERE OR THE OTHER OPTION IS FOR POSSIBILITY OF GARAGES AS THE SELFISH PROGRAM AND VERY HESITANT. TO REMOVE EITHER OF THAT ABILITY. AND IF I'M A MAYOR, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE SINCE THIS WILL BE FUNDED BY FP L. IT'S A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TARGETING FOR, YOU KNOW, FUTURE PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY RIGHT THERE. IF NOT INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE PARKING DECK. I MEAN, THAT'S THEIR PARKING THERE NOW. UM IF WE CAN WORK WITH PL TO LOCATE THEIR CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE THEY ARE ON THIS TRIAL BASIS, THIS 10 YEAR AGREEMENT FOR UP GROWING TO SIX.IF WE'VE GOT THE SUFFICIENT INFRASTRUCTURE, PEOPLE START, YOU KNOW, FOLK, I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE WITH ELECTRIC CARS, MAYBE NOT EVERY BRAND, BUT THERE ARE THERE ARE. NAVIGATION TOOLS IN THE CAR THAT POINT THEM TOWARDS CHARGING STATIONS. AND SO IF PEOPLE START GETTING USED TO GOING TO THAT AREA TO CHARGE WHEN WE REDEVELOP THIS PROPERTY AND PUT A PARKING STRUCTURE THERE MAY BE PROBABLY, UM, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK WITH FTL TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF CHARGING UNITS DOWN THE LONG RUI THINK THIS IS REALLY THE BEST OPTION, ESPECIALLY WE CAN PUT THEM ON OURSELVES. STREET PARALLEL SPOTS BRIDGE INTO WHAT COULD BE A FEW SPOTS WITHIN THE PARKING STRUCTURE. RIGHT IF IT LOOKS ENDS UP BEING LOCATED RIGHT THERE, THE ONLY CAVEAT I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER ONLY BECAUSE I'M NOT THE ENGINEER EITHER FOR F PL. UH THE CHALLENGE WITH THESE SPOTS ISN'T THE SPOTS THEMSELVES IN THE STATIONS. IT'S AGAIN THOSE TRANSFORMERS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. I I'M ONLY HESITANT BECAUSE ASSUMING YOU LOOK AT A SPOT LIKE THIS AND NOT BEING AN ENGINEER, BUT LET'S SAY YOU WANT TO TURN ALL OF THIS INTO A PARKING GARAGE ONE DAY. UM IT'S A PERFECTLY RECTANGLE. I MEAN, IT KIND OF STILL THE SPOT THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SEE A LARGE GARAGE BUT A GARAGE THAT HE'S KIND OF EASILY BUILT OUT AND RIGHT ON THAT NORTH SPOT WHERE THE GRASS IS HERE. IT'S THE ONLY PLACE I KNOW OF THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIT THOSE TRANSFORMERS. AND WILL THAT AFFECT THE DEVELOPMENT EVEN THEN, I DON'T KNOW. IT CURRENTLY STANDS AT ABSENT AMOUNT OF FICATION OF THE VOTE BY THE COMMISSION. THEY ASSIGNED ALL THAT PROPERTY TO A DEVELOPER, AND IT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO PARTICIPATE, DIRECTED TO NEGOTIATE, BUT WE'D HAVE TO CANCEL THE TRAVELING THAT NEVER NEVER BROUGHT ANYTHING BACK TO YOU ON THAT, RIGHT? UH, HOW BIG IS THIS TRANSFORMER? WE'RE TALKING LIKE WAH WAH, THE STATIONS THAT NO WA WA I MEAN THEY CAN BE THERE. THERE'S TWO. THERE'S TWO, UM, INSTALL THAT HUAHUA THAT'S ABOUT THAT'S OVER BEHIND THE BUILDING, IN ADDITION TO THE ONES THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT TO THE CHARGING STATION, SO YEAH. THAT'S AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD HAVE TO INSTALL TWO BIG LIKE THEY DID AT WA WA. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVER AT THE WAWA AT THE ENTRANCE OF A MONTEREY ROAD UH, ON THE GUESS IT WOULD BE THE EAST SIDE. THERE IS A ANOTHER TRANSFORMER THAT IS THAT THEY INSTALLED AT THE SAME TIME, RIGHT? SO IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S THE SITE THAT YOU GUYS SEEM TO BE KEYING IN ON. SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL HAVE BEEN GET WITH THEM AND ACTUALLY GIVE THEM THEY GAVE US A DEPICTION OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. IT'S SAILFISH. HAVE THEM GIVE US A DEPICTION OF WHERE THE CHART THE INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD GO AT SIZED APPROPRIATELY AND THEN I'LL SEND THAT OUT TO YOU GUYS INDIVIDUALLY SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. INSIDE INSIDE THE PARKING LOT AND ON THE PARALLEL PARALLEL SIDE PARALLEL SIDE. AND I MEAN, WE CAN HAVE KIND OF EVEN TWO SPOTS PER SE. IF THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT, FOR WHATEVER REASON. THE ENGINEERING, UM IT SEEMS LIKE FPL'S THEIR TWO TOP WAS THE PARALLEL AND THE SAILFISH LOT. THOSE WERE THE TWO TOP THAT THEY RECOMMENDED BASED ON WHAT THEY SAW AT SITE. BUT UM, AS THE SAME MANAGER SAID, IF THEY COME BACK WITH US I MEAN, WE COULD BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION AGAIN. IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE ENGINEERING MIGHT BE A CHALLENGE IN THAT ONE SPOT. YOU ASK THEM IF THE TRANSFORMERS MAKE ANY NOISE LIKE A ANY TYPE OF BUDGET ? MM YEAH. GOOD QUESTION. MY FATHER. MY FATHER REBUILT TRANSFORMERS FOR THE POWER COMPANY. AND I KNOW THIS IS 37 YEARS AGO, BUT THEY USED TO MAKE A NOISE, BIG ONES. AND SO IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANY SOUND THAT THE TRANSFORMERS MAKE THAT COULD BECOME AN ANNOYANCE THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND STANDARD PRACTICE TO LANDSCAPE. THE TRANSFORMERS. UM, PROBABLY DON'T GO LANDOWNERS. THEY DO. THAT
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WOULD BE THE QUESTION WOULD BE YEAH. GET YOUR STANDARD PRACTICE TO LANDSCAPE. THEY DID PROVIDE US WITH A DRAFT AGREEMENT ALREADY, UM, SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT THE GENERAL TERMS AND THEY DO MAINTAIN, SO WE'RE BASICALLY LEASING THEM THE WHOLE LAND THERE, UM, WHATEVER WE DELINEATE, AND THEY MAINTAIN IT, PAVING EVERYTHING BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY PAVED THE SPOTS WITH THEIR UNIQUE MARKETING AND DESIGN AND ALL THAT SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY MAINTAINED THEIR EQUIPMENT ENTIRELY. BUT I'LL DOUBLE CHECK ON THE LANDSCAPING. AND SO THEY CAN'T LANDSCAPE. MAYBE THEY CAN WRAP IT. YEAH. OH, OKAY. I THINK I HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION NEXT TO IT. IN IN, UM JUST TO JUST TO MENTION ALSO, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE RFP. UM WE HAVE A DRAFT THAT WAS BROUGHT OUT BY MIAMI LAKES AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME CONSIDERATION FOR THAT. SO WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN THE RFP. WE'RE JUST THAT'S KIND OF SEPARATE FROM THIS SO MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. E P F SUFFICIENT DIRECTION. THANK YOU ALL. SMALL DURING THE MEETING. 7 31. PM* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.