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[CALL TO ORDER]

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CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. WELCOME I'M GLAD WE HAVE PEOPLE ALWAYS LIKE PEOPLE. SO ROLL CALL, PLEASE. CHAIR CAMPENNI SHARE DOOLEY. REMEMBER LEWIS. REMEMBER MAKE HAMSON REMEMBER THROWS REMEMBER WAKA? OKAY? PLEASURE. ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE. YOU COULD STAND. PLEASURE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. IN THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. I'D LIKE TO SWITCH ITEMS TWO AND THREE.

SINCE WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE FOR ITEM THREE. IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NOPE

[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

WILL SWITCH THOSE ITEMS? CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? UM MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA WITH THE CHANGE IN A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE OKAY. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. CAN I

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AND I GOT A 2ND 2ND. ALL IN FAVOR. I OKAY, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC OR NON AGENDA ITEMS IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON DOG WORLD, HOLD YOUR TONGUE. GO THANK YOU ON THE DOOR GROWTH. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? SAYING NONE WILL MOVE ON COMMENTS BY THE BOARD. NICK. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

[COMMENTS BY BOARD MEMBERS (Non-Agenda Items)]

I'VE GOT TO ABSTAIN FROM ITEM NUMBER THREE NOW, TOO. SO UM, I FILLED OUT MY PAPERWORK.

JORDAN'S YOU'VE GOT THAT. I BELIEVE OKAY? KATIE. RIGHT NOW, AND I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD RIGHT

[3. DOSGWORLD URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE:]

THIS MOMENT. SO WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO DOG WORLD URBAN COAL CONDITIONAL USE AH, SINCE AH. MR SHROFF HAS RECUSED HIMSELF. MIKE AS OUR ATTORNEY, COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO EVERYBODY WHAT THAT MEANS? WELL YOU WANT. TO DO IT OFFICIALLY. ACTUALLY, IT DOESN'T. BUT HE. THE CITY MANAGER DIDN'T WANT ME TO POINT OUT THAT HE DOES QUALIFY AS QUORUM TO MEET QUORUM FOR THE MEETING PURPOSES TO THE MEETING GETS TO GO FORWARD, HOWEVER, IF HE WERE TO LEAVE INSTEAD OF VOTING. YOU MAY LOSE QUORUM, SO IF HE WOULD BE KIND ENOUGH TO STAY WITH US TILL THE END OF THOSE MEETINGS MATTERS WE WILL MAINTAIN QUORUM, BUT, UM HE IS, UH. BECAUSE HE HAS. WHAT'S A FOR MAYBE CONFLICT, AND THAT IS, IT'S NOT A PRO, A CONFLICT THAT PROHIBITED FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD. BUT IT CONFLICT THAT PROHIBITS THEM FROM VOTING BECAUSE THERE'S A THERE'S A CHANCE THAT IT COULD ENDURE TO HIS BENEFIT OR THAT OF A RELATIVE AND AS A RESULT, HE WILL BE REQUIRED TO FILL OUT A FORM NOTIFYING EVERYBODY BY THE NEXT MEETING AS TO WHAT THAT CONFLICT IS. HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE ON THE MATTER. IN THE PAST. THE BOARDS HAVE KIND OF LEFT IT TO THEMSELVES. ABOUT WHAT? HOW MUCH PARTICIPATION MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD IF I WERE ASKED WOULD BE NONE WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. BUT SOMETIMES IT'S BECOME QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AND THINGS OF NATURE BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE FAMILIAR WITH IT. AND I KNOW WHEN LEE ROBERTS WAS ON ME. LP A MATTERS THAT SHE HAD A CONFLICT WITH RELATED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. SHE WOULD PARTICIPATE TO SOME EXTENT BECAUSE SHE WAS ANSWERING QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE PERCEIVED AS LOBBYING OR THEY SHOULDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE MATTER. OKAY SO WE'LL GET TO THAT WHEN WE GET TO THAT, UM JUST TO BE OPEN ABOVE BOARD SINCE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE ON ALL SIDES. I WANT TO STAY FOR THE RECORD AND I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE APPLICANT. I'VE SPOKEN TO HIS AH, BROKER. AND I'VE SPOKEN TO RESIDENTS AND IF ANYONE HERE HAS SPOKEN TO ANYONE THEY SHOULD MAKE IT KNOWN. I SPOKE TO THE BROKER, BUT ONLY TO TELL HIM THAT IF I HAD ANY QUESTIONS, SIDE, LET THEM KNOW. AND I DIDN'T WANT TO. MAKE AN APPOINTMENT BECAUSE WE HADN'T READ THE AGENDA ITEMS SO CITY. I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO THE BROKER.

ALL THE APPLICANTS HAVE TO SAY WHO YOU SPOKE WHO? YOU HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO. ONLY A FEW STROKES LEFT ME MESSAGES. OKAY THAT'S FINE, SO IT'S OUT THERE. OKAY? HONEY DO YOU WANT US TO TRY THIS OFF? OR YOU GONNA DO IT, AARON? NO I'M NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO PRESENT I WAS JUST GOING TO INTRODUCE BONNIE FOR YOU. UM GOOD EVENING, ERIN WILLETT TO ACTING DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FOR

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THE RECORD. UM WE DO HAVE BONNIE LANDRY HERE. SHE IS ACTING AS OUR PLANNING COUNCIL IN WHILE WE'RE A LITTLE BIT UNDERSTAFFED , AND SO SHE HAS BEEN PROJECT MANAGING THIS FOR US, AND SHE'S GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PRESENT. THANK YOU FOR THE INTRODUCTION, ERIN. SO AS ERIN SAID, MY NAME IS BONNIE LANDRY. AND I'M THE ONE WHO DID THE REVIEW FOR THIS AND I'M GOING TO DO YOU A BRIEF PRESENTATION AND THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY QUESTIONS AND THEN PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT THEMSELVES. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE RESOLUTION 73-2 OH, 22 FOR DOGS WORLD THE REQUEST IS TO GRANT A MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE THAT WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP A DOG DAYCARE AND BOARDING FACILITY AND THE B THREE ZONING DISTRICT. THIS IS A LOCATION OF THE SITE. IT'S LOCATED ON APPROXIMATELY 0.162 ACRES. IT IS A VACANT BUILDING THAT WAS FORMERLY OCCUPIED BY THE CONSTRUCTION JOURNAL. THERE'S THE ZONING OF THE THREE IN THE FUTURE LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL DOWNTOWN. UM ALL THE PROPER NOTICES WERE PROVIDED AN AFFIDAVIT STATING THAT THEY HAD DONE THEIR MAILING FOR THE 300 FT NOTICE, AND THEY ALSO POSTED A SIGN AT THE SITE LOCATION.

DETAILS OF THE PRO PROPOSED USE . THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE OVERNIGHT LODGING OR BOARDING DAYCARE FOR DOGS DURING THE DAY, SOME BASIC GROOMING AND THEY HAVE TO OUTDOOR DOG PARKS ON THE EAST SIDE, A SMALL DOG PARK AND ON THE WEST SIDE, A LARGER DOG PARK, MEANING SMALL DOGS. THEY SEPARATE THE SMALL AND THE LARGE DOGS. HERE'S A SITE PLAN OF THE AREA. THIS IS WHERE THE BUILDING IS. AND A FLOOR PLAN THAT JUST BASICALLY SHOWS WHERE THE KENNELS WILL BE FOR INDOORS. UM AND. AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY , THE APPLICANT CONDUCTED A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON MAY 18TH 2022 AT THAT MEETING, THE APPLICANT HARD FOR MAIN CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT ANY TRAFFIC. IN A NOISE, ANY ODOR COMING FROM THE SITE AND TO UNDERSTAND THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THIS USE. SO IN RESPONSE TO THESE CONCERNS EXPRESSED, THE APPLICANT DID TRY TO MITIGATE THE CONCERNS. UM THERE WAS A NOISE STUDY THAT WAS CONDUCTED CONDUCTED, UM, ON AUGUST 25TH TO DEMONSTRATE THEIR IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE BASED ON THIS USE, AND IT'S A MODELING. AND THEY'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT WHEN IT'S THEIR TURN. UM THEY ALSO PROVIDED MORE INFORMATION IN THE PROJECT NARRATIVE ABOUT HOW THEY MANAGE THE SOLID WASTE AND SANITIZE THE OUTDOOR AREAS. UM I THEY'RE GONNA TALK MORE ABOUT THIS, BUT THERE WAS A NOISE STUDY THAT WAS DONE. AND THE FIRST THE FIRST STUDY THAT YOU'LL SEE IS IF THERE WERE NO BARRIERS PUT UP AT ALL. AND THIS DEMONSTRATES WHAT IT IS WITH A SIX FT. 12 BARRIER, AND OBVIOUSLY THE GRAIN IS GOOD. AND YELLOWS. THE READ IS THE LOUDEST NOISE. BUT WHAT THIS DEMONSTRATES IS THAT THE SOUND IS MOSTLY KEPT TO THE SITE, AND IT DOESN'T EXCEED THE SOUND REGULATION, WHICH IS IN SECTION 21 51 OF YOUR LAND DEVELOPED. I MEAN OF YOUR CODE OF ORDINANCES , WHICH MEANS YOU'RE YOU CAN'T HAVE SOUND MORE THAN 80 DECIBELS. PAST THE PROPERTY LINE. UM AND THEN, BETWEEN THE HOURS OF EIGHT AND 10, IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN 60 DECIBELS. SO A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE HOW THEY'RE MANAGING THE DOG WASTE BAGS OR THE WASTE JUST BAGGED IMMEDIATELY TO AVOID ANY ODORS. THEY ARE A REGULAR BASIS, EMPTY THE DOG WASTE RECEPTACLES THAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR SITE. THEY RELOCATE THAT WASTE TO THEIR DUMPSTER NIGHTLY, AND THEY DO DEODORIZE AND DISINFECT THE OUTDOOR PARK AREAS TWICE DAILY.

MORE DETAILS OF THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET AND THEIR PROJECT NARRATIVE, AND THEY MAY SPEAK MORE ABOUT IT WHEN THEY SPEAK. HOURS OF OPERATION. TYPICALLY MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, SEVEN AM TO SEVEN PM UM, THE PLAYTIME, WHICH IS THE OUTDOOR TIME, WHICH YOU MAY HEAR MORE ABOUT IS BETWEEN NINE AM AND 11. AND ONE P.M. AND FOUR DURING THESE TIMES , THEY ALTERNATE THE DOGS, SO THEY'RE NOT ALL OUT THERE AT THE SAME TIME, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW MANY DOGS ARE OUTSIDE AND NEXT SLIDE. UM WEEKENDS. THE OUTDOOR AREAS ARE OCCUPIED, UM, EIGHT A.M. TO THREE P.M. AND THEY DO WALK THE DOG. THE OVERNIGHT DOGS FOR AT SEVEN PM UNTIL EIGHT. A.M. THAT SHOULD BE EIGHT PM THAT'S A MISTAKE ON THE SIDE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO IT'S ONLY BETWEEN SEVEN PM AND EIGHT

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PM AND THEN AT EIGHT PM THEY GO DOWN FOR THE NIGHT. SO WE LOOKED AT THE NOTE STAFF LOOKED AT THE NOISE STUDY AND WE DID SEE SOME DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT WAS MODELED AND, UM WHAT IS IN THEIR BUSINESS PLAN, AND THEY WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A BIT. UM BUT SOME OF THEIR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE RECOMMEND IS THAT THE EXTRA SIZE AREAS ARE SCREENED WITH THE OPAQUE SIX FT HIGH WALL OR FENCE AND THAT IS REQUIRED BY CODE FOR KENNELS. UM WE RECOMMEND THE OUTDOOR EXERCISE AREA BE LIMITED BETWEEN SIX AM AND EIGHT PM FOR THE NOISE ORDINANCE, AND HERE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AND WHAT'S THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING UM, WE LOOKED AT THE NOISE STUDY. IT WAS MODEL BASED ON FIVE LARGE DOGS AND THE LARGE PARK AND FIVE IN THE SMALL PARK AT ANY ONE TIME. UM THEY DID PROVIDE A RESPONSE TO THAT. THIRD CONDITION THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, AND THEY'LL TALK MORE ABOUT IT. BUT THEIR RATIONALE OF ONLY DO MODELING IT ON FIVE AND FIVE. IS THAT IT'S THEY? THEY SAID. IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO THINK THAT ALL THE DOGS WOULD BARK AT THE SAME TIME, SO THEIR BUSINESS PLAN IS TO HAVE 30 DOGS OUTSIDE OF THE TIME 15 IN THE SMALL AREA IN 15 IN THE LARGE AREA. SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AND WHAT THEY HAVE ASKED FOR IS DIFFERENT, SO YOU WILL NEED TO DISCUSS THAT. AND NOW WE'LL SWITCH TO THE APPLICANTS PRESENTATION UNLESS ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS RIGHT AWAY FROM ME. QUESTIONS FOR BONNIE. OKAY. SEE YOU. NONE APPLICANTS.

THE NEXT QUESTION. JUST GIVE ME A SECOND TO SWITCH TO THEIR PRESENTATION. THEY JUST PUT IT IN. SO GIVE ME A SEC.

THE APPLICANT TO COME UP. I HAVE THE CLICKER FOR YOU. YEP GOOD AFTERNOON. EVERYONE ON THE BOARD COMMUNITY MEMBERS. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. I'M JUSTIN PHILLIPS. I'M THE PRINCIPAL OWNER AND APPLICANT FOR DOGS. WORLD CANINE RESORT, OPENING A LOCATION HERE IN STUART AT 400, SOUTH WEST SEVENTH STREET. UM THIS IS MY BROKER, JAMES. AND THIS IS MY PARTNER, KATIE. ALL OF US ARE GOING TO SPEAK TO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE APPLICATION. AND WITH THAT, I'LL LET JAMES HANDLE SOME OF THE REAL ESTATE ENDS AND OUTS. YOU GOT TO GO UP TO THE MICROPHONE. OKAY YOU HAVE TO SAY, SAY YOUR WHOLE NAME, PLEASE. FOR THE RECORD. BOARD MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JAMES MCKINNEY. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US TODAY. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF START OFF WITH A BRIEF OVERVIEW. WE ARE LOOKING TO MOVE INTO THE BUILDING AT 400 SOUTH WEST SEVENTH STREET. IT IS THE OLD CONSTRUCTION JOURNAL BUILDING. IT IS 12,360 SQUARE FEET ON 1.6 ACRES AS WE COVERED BEFORE WE THINK IT WOULD BE AN IDEAL FIT FOR JUSTIN AND DOGS WORLD AS THERE'S GOING TO BE VERY MINIMAL CHANGES. AND SOME OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

OUR NEIGHBORS OUT HERE. THE RESIDENTIAL RETAIL SOME OFFICE ON US ONE. AS WELL AS SOME APARTMENTS AND DAYCARE IN THE AREA. HI. MY NAME IS KATIE. KATIE. WHAT? KATIE BERTEL. SORRY WORLD. YES AND I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER AND PARTNER. AH WE HAVE AN ENTIRE WORLD DEVOTED TO YOUR DOG. WE HAVE, UM WE'VE BEEN VOTED BEST OF JUPITER AND VESTED UPON EACH COUNTY FOR ALL OF OUR

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SERVICES. WE HAVE LUXURY BOARDING, WHICH WE HAVE ACCOMMODATIONS THAT AREN'T JUST YOUR BASIC AVERAGE KENNEL. WE HAVE REGULAR WALLS TEMPERED GLASS DOORS TEMPER PEDIC BETTING FOR SOME OF HER OLDER GUESTS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE EVER DAYCARE. WHICH ARE DAYCARE HAS ROTATIONS THROUGHOUT OUR FACILITIES. SO WE'RE INDOOR OUTDOOR. WE KEEP OUR DOGS MOVING . STIMULATED WE GIVE THEM YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HANSE DAYCARE, WHICH GIVES SOME OF OUR AH, ENERGETIC KIDDOS SOME EXTRA PUZZLE TIME, THEIR FAVORITE OUR POOL TIME AS WELL. UM WE ALSO DO MANY DAYCARE EVENTS TO WE DO BIRTHDAY PARTIES. UM, WE JUST HAD OUR OPERATION WAR DOGS, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR TOP FUNDRAISERS FOR THE SOUTHEAST REGION FOR OPERATION WAR DOGS.

AND OF COURSE WE HAVE BATHING SERVICES BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I LIKE MY DAUGHTER TO COME HOME, NICE AND CLEAN AND A LOT LESS HAIR SO. SOME CHANGES TO THE SITE LIKE I MENTIONED VERY MINIMAL, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING TO MIKE, BECAUSE, YES, SIR. IT'S PICKING UP YOUR VOICE, AND SHE'S SORRY ABOUT THAT SANDWICH. UM AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE'S GOING TO BE VERY MINIMAL CHANGES. WE ARE LOOKING AT A SIX FT CONCRETE BLOCK WALL ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING . THIS WOULD BE THE LOT LARGE DOG PARK AREA. WE WOULD FILL IT IN WITH GREENERY SO THAT IT FITS THE AESTHETICS OF OUR GREAT CITY OF STEWART, AS WELL AS A SIX FT. PVC FENCE ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH WOULD BE THE SMALL DOG PARK AREA. SAME CONCEPTS TO FIT THE DOWNTOWN AREA NICELY. AS WE SAW BEFORE THE SITE PLAN. SMALL DOG PARK LARGE DOG PARK. WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING THE 88 PARKING TWO ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ENTRANCE FOR EASE OF ACCESS FOR ANYONE THAT NEEDS IT.

SO IN OUR INITIAL MEETINGS WITH THE TOWN AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF AGAINST SURE I CAN DO THAT.

SORRY FOR ALL THAT, BUT IT JUST MAKES A PROBLEM. I'M JUSTIN PHILLIPS, PRINCIPAL OWNER AND APPLICANT. UM SO IN OUR INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND THEN WITH THE TOWN, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED. UM WE HAD A REALLY GOOD BACK AND FORTH AND AN OPEN HOUSE MEETING WITH THE TOWN AT THE TIME WE THOUGHT WE HAD ACHIEVED TACIT SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT YESTERDAY. IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THERE WERE ADDITIONAL CONCERNS SO. I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THOSE AND SAY SO. INITIALLY, I THINK PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED, UM.

PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE IDEA? OH, YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF DOGS AND AN AREA THERE'S GOING TO BE NOISE PROBLEMS, SO PART OF MY GOAL WAS TO HELP EDUCATED AND GET EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT NOT ALL PET RESORTS ARE CREATED EQUAL AND THE WAY WE OPERATE DOESN'T RESULT IN THE KIND OF NOISE THAT PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT IN THE FIRST PLACE. UM AND IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS, REGARDLESS, WE ALSO COMPLETED THE NOISE STUDY. THE NOISE STUDY SHOWS THAT AT NO POINT WOULD FIVE DOGS BARKING SIMULTANEOUSLY. UM THIS BE VIOLATE THE STATUTE AND, UM THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VISUAL EVIDENCE TO SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE. AT NO POINT OR FIVE DOGS BARKING THEIR LUNGS OFF SIMULTANEOUSLY IN ONE OF OUR PLAY GROUPS. IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY THE DOGS BEHAVE IN OUR PLAY GROUPS BECAUSE WE HAVE A HIGHLY TRAINED STAFF TO GET THREE WEEKS OF TRAINING, THEY HAVE ONLINE CERTIFICATION FROM A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION. THEY ARE TRAINED EXPLICITLY, TOO.

QUICKLY DEAL WITH ANY EXCESSIVE BARKING TO REDIRECT IT IN A SAFE AND HUMANE MANNER BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT BARKING CAN BE CONTAGIOUS, SO WE DON'T REALLY LET IT HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE . WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN, IT'S QUICKLY ADDRESSED AND AS YOU'LL SEE WITH OUR I THINK OUR VIDEO OF EVIDENCE IS PRETTY COMPELLING. UM EVEN AT THE WINE OF OUR DOG PARK. RIGHT THERE WITH NO NOISE MITIGATION, WHICH IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SITUATION IN JUPITER THAN WOULD BE HERE IN STUART. IT'S NOT CREATING A NUISANCE NOISE LEVEL. UM AGAIN. THIS WAS PARTIALLY COVERED IN MR LANDRY'S PRESENTATION. THE SOLID WASTE IS BAGGED IMMEDIATELY. IT'S PUTTING COVERED RECEPTACLES, AND THEN IT'S TAKEN TO THE DUMPSTER EACH NIGHT AND REMOVED BY THE MONEY.

MUNICIPAL WASTE AUTHORITY. UM THE ENTIRE DOG PARK SURFACE IS DISINFECTED TWICE DAILY WITH A CHEMICAL SYSTEM CALLED THE WHISKEY WATCH, WHICH UH, IT IT PUSHES OUT HIGH PRESSURE WATER

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WITH A CALCITE SOLUTION. IT'S THE SAME CHEMICAL USED BY MUNICIPALITIES TO TREAT THEIR WATER. IT'S TOTALLY ENVIRONMENTALLY SET SAFE. IT BREAKS DOWN THE URINE AND THE ODORS. THE DOG PARKS THEMSELVES ARE CONSTRUCTIVE. ANTI MICROBE BEILIN ANTI ODOR PROPERTIES. UM THERE'S A FILL THAT WE CAN SPREAD ON THE DOG PARK AND REFILL OVER TIME TO REINFORCE THOSE PROPERTIES. UM THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE ARE NORMAL HOURS OF OPERATION ARE SEVEN A.M. TO SEVEN P.M. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, SO YOU CAN EXPECT THAT WE WILL BE USING THE OUTDOOR DOG AREAS BETWEEN THE HOURS OF ABOUT 7 15 TO ABOUT SIX PM, UM, AS MR LANDRY ALSO NOTED ON THE WEEKEND BECAUSE THEIR HOURS ARE DIFFERENT. THERE'S ANOTHER GROUP THAT COMES IN AFTER BUSINESS HOURS AND TAKES THE DOGS WHO ARE STAYING OVERNIGHT OUT FROM 7 TO 8 P.M.

SO FROM ALL THE HOURS RESTRICTED BY THE NOISE ORDINANCE, UM WE WOULDN'T BE AFFECTING THOSE HOURS AT ALL. AND DURING OUR HOURS OF OPERATION THE STUDY SHOWS THAT WE ACTUALLY AREN'T GOING TO BE CAUSING ANY SORT OF NUISANCE LEVEL NOISE WHATSOEVER IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF OPERATIONS. UM YOU CAN PLAY THE VIDEO. SO I WILL TRY. IS IT RIGHT HERE? YEP. YES. THAT IS A QUESTION FOR MY I T PERSON. I'M SORRY. YOU WANT ME TO PAUSE IT? YES, YOU CAN POSIT AND I CAN DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OTHER THINGS? YOU CAN GET THE SOUND UP. WE'RE SORRY. WE JUST GOT THE PROBLEM, OKAY? YEA.

CAN YOU FLY? YES.

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SO A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT ABOUT THAT VIDEO. THAT'S 20 DOGS IN THAT DOG PARK AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH IS MORE DOGS THAN WE'RE ACTUALLY ASKING PERMISSION TO BE ALLOWED TO USE HERE IN STUART. THAT DOG PARK IS A SMALLER SPACE THAN THE BIG DOG PARK IN STUART BY OVER 1000 SQUARE FEET. SO IT'S A IT'S A BIGGER AREA HERE, THE GROUPS WILL BE SMALLER. IN ADDITION THAT IS DIRECTLY AT THE FENCE LINE OF MY PROPERTY AND IN JUPITER, SO THAT'S WITH NO NOISE MITIGATION WHATSOEVER. NO. SIX FT CONCRETE WALLS WHATSOEVER. AND IT'S ALSO DIRECTLY OUTSIDE THE FATS, SO IT'S NOT AT THE EDGE OF MY PROPERTY LINE HERE IN WHICH WOULD BE HERE IN STUART, WHICH WOULD BE ANOTHER 100, FT. GIVE OR SO AWAY, AND IT'S NOT TO THE CLOSEST POINT OF ANY, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER 100. COUPLE 100 FT AWAY. SO YOU'VE GOT MORE DOGS THERE IN THAT VIDEO, THEN WE PLAN TO EVER HAVE OUT. OUTSIDE IN ONE OF OUR DOG PARKS AT ONE TIME WITH NO MORE NOISE. MITIGATION UM, I THINK YOU PROBABLY NOTICED THERE WAS VERY LITTLE. THERE WAS INTERMITTENT, VERY LITTLE BARKING. IN FACT, I HEARD THE NOISE A LOT MORE THAN I HEARD THE DOGS BARKING. I HEARD PEOPLE WHISPERING IN THE ROOM MORE THAN I HEARD THE DARK DOGS BARKING AND AT THE ONE OR TWO POINTS WHERE THE DOGS DIDN'T BARK. IT WAS QUICKLY ADDRESSED BY THE STAFF MEMBERS. AND THEY WERE QUIETED ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. UM SO THAT I THINK YOU KNOW, IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW THE NOISE CONCERNS AREN'T UM, WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THE FACTS THAT YOU REALLY HAVE A LOT LESS TO BE WORRIED ABOUT, AND I THINK PEOPLE WERE INITIALLY WHEN THEY HEARD ABOUT OUR PLAN TO COME IN THERE. UM THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. IT WAS ALSO BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THEY WERE WORRIED. UH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS WORRIED THAT THAT WOULD OPEN IT UP TO OTHER USES. FOR INSTANCE, A BAR RESTAURANT COULD COME OPEN THE PATIO AND HAVE LIVE MUSIC, AND I BELIEVE THE BOARD CAN SPEAK TO THE SPECIFICS THAT IN THAT DOES NOT IN FACT WILL NOT HAPPEN. UM IT IS USE SPECIFIC, SO IT WOULD ONLY BE OUR USE THAT GETS THE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL.

NO DIFFERENT USE, UM WORK CONCERNS RAISED THAT THE IT WOULD LOWER THE PROPERTY VALUES WILL, UM, THE FACT THE MATTER IS YOU ALREADY HAVE NOT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IN STUART, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PET RESORTS WITH RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. ONE CALLED THE DARK DARK. THE BARK PARK IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED ON FOUR SIDES BY A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. UH THE DOG STOP HAS THE NORTH RIVER SHORE'S DEVELOPMENT DIRECTLY ON ONE SIDE OF IT. UM THEY ARE NOT RUN THE SAME WAY WE RUN OUR FACILITY. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU WITH A LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT WE RUN A QUIETER FACILITY, BUT IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM HAVE THEIR PROPERTY VALUES BEEN NEGATIVELY AFFECTED BY HAVING A PET RESORT AS A NEIGHBOR, THEIR PROPERTIES HAVE CONTINUED TO GO UP IN VALUE, WITH A RATE COMMENSURATE WITH THE REST OF THE BOOMING REAL ESTATE MARKET IN SOUTHERN FLORIDA. SO NONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED. I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE THE FULL PICTURE ARE REALLY THINGS ANYONE ON THE BOARD OR IN THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE EXCELLENT NEIGHBORS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE ONE MORE SLIME. SORRY I'M WRONG.

SORRY, MY BAD. OH YEAH, AND THAT'S JUST A SMATTERING OF SOME OF THE MANY AWARDS. WE'VE AH, RECEIVED FOR OUR INCREDIBLE LEVEL OF DOG CARE ARE INCREDIBLE LEVEL OF CUSTOMER SERVICE AND JUST WHAT A WELL RUN BUSINESS WE ARE. AND I THINK THAT IS IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? FRANK. AH! I. I HAVE SOME GENERAL DISCUSSION AND SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS, BUT AS A MATTER OF PROCEDURE. I COULD MOVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DISCUSSION. SO THAT WE COULD THEN HAVE THAT OCCURRING. AND THEN OUR PUBLIC COMMENT WOULD BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION OF EMOTIONS. SO I'M MAKING THAT MOTION FOR THAT DISCUSSION. I HAVE A SECOND THAT'S JUST ME. SO I WAS LIKE ALL RIGHT. THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION. ONLY FRANK. I UH ONE THING I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AND THE STAFF. I JUST SAVED THEM FOR THE WHOLE THING. THE FIRST QUESTION IS FOR THE STAFF. UH, HOW. WILL THESE COMPLIANCE FOR WHAT THEY'RE PROMISING TO DO? WHAT IS THE COMPLIANCE MECHANISM FOR MAKING SURE THAT THAT OCCURS WHERE'S THE. OKAY THE TIMING THE TIMES THAT THEY TAKE THE ANIMALS OUT THE TIMES. THEY LET HIM OUT THE

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BASICALLY THE GUARANTEES THEY'RE MAKING WITHIN THIS CONDITIONAL USE ON HOW THEY'RE GOING TO OPERATE THEIR BUSINESS. WHAT THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT MY QUESTION IS, IS. WHAT ARE THE WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DON'T? SO FUNDAMENTALLY CONDITIONAL USES VERY SIMILAR TO A P U D AND IT AMOUNTS TO A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE BUSINESS OWNER , GIVING THEM A PARTICULAR TYPE OF ZONING. IF IN FACT SOMEBODY WAS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, AND THEY STARTED OPERATING A BARBERSHOP OUT OF THEIR PERSONAL HOME IN VIOLATION OF THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING CODE ENFORCEMENT IS THE MECHANISM TO ENFORCE IT, WHICH CAN RESULT IN A FINE DAILY BASIS , AND GENERALLY, THE FINE IS SET AT A RATE TO DETER THE BEHAVIOR. SO YOU KNOW, THREE OR $400 A DAY FINE WILL ADD UP FASTER THAN THE MONEY BEING EARNED KIND OF THING. AND IF IT ACCELERATES, IT ACCELERATES IN THIS CASE. ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WAS A SIX FT FENCE THAT I HEARD BRIEFLY, SO THE SIX FT FENCE. OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY UNTIL THAT IS COMPLETE. BUT AS IT RELATES TO NOT HAVING DOGS OUTSIDE AT SEVEN P.M. I HONESTLY HAVEN'T SEEN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL YET. OBVIOUSLY THE BOARD HASN'T APPROVED IT. BUT IF THAT IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, I ALSO HEARD THERE'S GOING TO BE DOGS OUTSIDE FROM 7 TO 8, SO IT WILL BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE THAT SEEMS CONTRARY. LET'S USE EIGHT PM RATHER BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MORE CLEAR AS WHEN DOG WASN'T ALLOWED OUTSIDE. THERE WAS A DOG OUTSIDE AT 8 15 PM THEY PROBABLY GET IF A COMPLAINT CAME IN.

THEY'D PROBABLY GET FIRST VIOLATION WOULD JUST BE A NOTIFICATION TO CEASE AND DESIST BEHAVIOR WITHIN 14 DAYS OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE IF IT WAS A CONTINUOUS MATTER THE FIRST TIME THEY WOULD BE DRAWN TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND WOULD BE FACING THE FINE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT, PLUS RECURRING NATURE. AFTER THE FIRST TIME, THOUGH, IT BECOMES DUE PROCESSES HAPPENED AFTER THAT. IF THEY COULD. ENFORCEMENT OFFICER GOES OUT AND ISSUES A CITATION. YOU DON'T EVEN WAIT FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT HEARING. IT AUTOMATICALLY RESULTS IN A FINE FOR WHATEVER BEHAVIOR IS BEING VIOLATED. WHETHER IT'S UM THE DOG OUTSIDE OR NOT. THE EXTREME NATURE OF HOW UM. SERIOUS IT WOULD BE AND HOW ENFORCED IT WOULD BE WOULD OBVIOUSLY DEPEND ON THE NATURE OF THE COMPLAINT. REALISTICALLY I THINK THE REASON THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE OUTSIDE AFTER SEVEN PM IS BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE DOGS IN THE KENNELS INSIDE THE STAFF IS GOING TO GENERALLY GO HOME WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A SKELETON CREW THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE OVERNIGHT, SO THEY PROBABLY DON'T EVEN WANT TO DO IT FROM AN ECONOMICS PERSPECTIVE, BUT IN THE EVENT THEY DID, IT WOULD MORE LIKELY BE CODE ENFORCEMENT IN IF THEY DIDN'T COMPLY, AND YOU COULD PUT THIS CONDITION. YOU KNOW, AFTER THREE VIOLATIONS, THE BOARD WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO REVOKE THE CONDITIONAL USE. I MEAN, TECHNICALLY, IT ALREADY HAS THAT. I MEAN, CONDITIONAL USE BY ITS VERY NATURE IS A REVOKABLE USE BECAUSE IT'S CONDITIONAL ON WHATEVER CONDITIONS ARE INCLUDED . AND IF THE BOARD THAT APPROVES THAT, IN THIS CASE WOULD BE THE C R A AH MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT IT WAS NO LONGER FULFILLING THE OBLIGATION THEY WOULD SIMPLY REVOKE IT AND THEY COULD REVOKE THE USE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SECOND QUESTION TO THAT. HOW IS THAT, UM FOLLOWED UP IF CODE ENFORCEMENT GOES HOME AT, SAY, FIVE O'CLOCK. AND THIS IS STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING IN POLICE SOUND ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY, THE SOUND ORDINANCE IS ALSO A CODE ENFORCEMENT THING. BUT PEOPLE COMPLAIN OF SOUNDED TWO IN THE MORNING. AND YOU KNOW THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO POLICE REPORT IS JUST AS VERIFIABLE AND WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT STAGGER HOURS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR OTHER PURPOSES AS WELL. AND IF, IN FACT WE WERE RUNNING INTO A PROBLEM, WE WOULD SHIFT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS SCHEDULE AROUND TO MAKE SURE THEY COULD GO OVER THERE AND VERIFY IT IF NEED BE, BUT MORE LIKELY TO BE THE POLICE. I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS OF CLARIFICATION. UM WE DO HAVE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT ALLOWS THE USE OF THE OUTDOOR EXERCISE AREA BETWEEN THE HOURS OF SIX A.M. AND EIGHT P.M. EIGHT P. M IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THEY WALK THEIR DOGS ON THE WEEKEND OR THEY USED ON THE WEEKEND UNTIL EIGHT PM, UM THAT MODIFICATION CAN BE CHANGED. BASED ON THE BOARDS DISCUSSION. UM AND THEN THE OTHER. I'LL HAVE THE APPLE CLARIFIED, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE OVERNIGHT STAY OVERNIGHT STAFF THEY MONITOR VIA VIDEO, BUT NO ONE SPENDS THE NIGHT AT NIGHT. AM I RIGHT? YES UH, CAN I SPEAK TO THE SEVEN PM VERSUS THE EIGHT PM THING? THE ONLY REASON THAT SEEMED LIKE A DISCREPANCY IS BECAUSE OUR HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY OR SEVEN AM TO SEVEN PM UM SO WE'RE WE LEAVE AT SEVEN P.M. DURING THE WEEK. UM SATURDAY. SUNDAY NIGHT. A SKELETON CREW COMES BACK BETWEEN SEVEN AND EIGHT. P.M. TO WALK THE DOGS. SO SATURDAY AND SUNDAY NIGHT THEY WOULD BE IN THE DOG

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PARK BETWEEN 78 P. M SO THEY CAN GET A BUSINESS WALK AS WE CALL IT OVERNIGHT, SO THEY'RE COMFORTABLE TO BE IN THEIR ROOMS UNTIL WE'RE THERE THE NEXT MORNING. UM NO ONE JUST CLARIFY THIS. NO ONE WALKS DOGS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. SEVEN P.M. TO EIGHT P.M. CORRECT SO THE ONLY TIME YOU WOULD WALK DOGS AFTER SEVEN PM ACCORDING TO YOU. IT IS ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. CORRECT AND IS THAT A CONDITION BONNIE? WELL, WE COULD MODIFY IT RIGHT NOW. IT SAYS EIGHT. BUT IF IT MADE, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, WE COULD MAKE IT DIFFERENT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY TO ACCOMMODATE THE SATURDAY AND SUNDAY WE COULD CHANGE THAT. WHATEVER YOU RECOMMEND, NO, THAT MY QUESTIONS WERE ALL ANSWERED. OKAY AND THEN AS FAR AS REGARDS OVERNIGHT STAFF IT IS ACTUALLY THE BEST INDUSTRY PRACTICE NOT TO HAVE OVERNIGHT STAFF. THE REASON BEING, YOU'RE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A FIRE. IF THERE ARE HUMANS IN THE BUILDING THE BUILDING IS SPRINKLERED, AND YOU'RE ALSO MUCH MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A BURGLARY. IF THERE'S A HUMAN IN THE BUILDING BECAUSE DOGS DON'T SMOKE ON THE JOB, AND DOGS ALSO DON'T DO STUPID THINGS WITH ELECTRICAL OUTLETS. THEY ALSO CAN'T BE CONVINCED TO LET A BIRD SOMEONE IN WITH A SOB STORY. I FOUND THIS DOG, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU GUYS KEEP THEM FROM THE NIGHT? SO FOR ALL OF THOSE REASONS, IT'S BETTER BUSINESS PRACTICE AND SAFER FOR OUR CLIENTS, DOGS AND BETTER FOR THE STAFF IN THE TOWN, AND EVERYONE CONCERNED THAT THERE IS NO OVERNIGHT STAFF FOR THOSE HOURS. AND THAT IS THE EXPRESS REASON BEHIND THAT. 7 TO 8 P.M. LAST ROUND OF WALKS ON THE WEEKENDS. UM. I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE SANITATION OF THE YARDS. YOU SAID IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TWICE A DAY. WITH THE, UM IT WAS ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE CHEMICAL. IS THAT CORRECT? THE SAME CHEMICAL USED IS ALSO USED BY MUNICIPALITIES TO TREAT WATER IN WATER TREATMENT PLANTS. I DON'T HAVE THE NAME OF THE CHEMICAL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IT'S IN OUR PROJECT SUBMISSION. THE PROJECT JOURNAL OF SPECIFICALLY WHAT IT IS, AND IT'S BEEN USED IN VETERINARY PET RESORT AND RELATED APPLICATIONS SAFELY FOR OVER 30 YEARS. SO FEW QUESTIONS. HOW MANY DOGS IS YOUR MAXIMUM? AT AT A TIME, NOT IN THE YARD, BUT IN THE WHOLE SURE , I UNDERSTAND. WE PREDICT THAT IT WILL BE AROUND 100 DOGS WILL BE THE MAX CAPACITY FOR COMBINED DAYCARE AND LODGING ON BUSY DAYS. AND THEN ALSO COUNTS SAVE DOGS. THEY'RE FOR GROOMING. CORRECT OR AGREEMENT IS LARGELY ANCILLARY TO THE DAYCARE AND THE LODGING. SO 99 OUT OF 100 GROOMS ARE THERE FOR EITHER DAYCARE OR LOGIC. SO MY QUESTION IS WHEN YOU'RE HOSING OFF THESE AREAS. WHERE IS THAT WATER IN THAT WASTE DRAINED TOO. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A QUESTION. YOU KNOW WHERE THAT'S STAFF QUESTION. I SEE THE RETENTION ON BEHIND. IS IT GOING TO GO THERE? I DON'T. I'M SORRY. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT. THEY DID PROVIDE A DRAINAGE STATEMENT, AND I COULD GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU, BUT BUT I DO KNOW, ACCORDING TO THEM THAT IT IT IS CONTAINED ON SITE. BUT I WILL PULL THE DRAINAGE STATEMENT AND THEN I WILL TELL YOU IN ABOUT THREE MINUTES. OKAY MAYBE THAT'S ONE OF MY CONDITIONS IS PUTTING IN SOME OF THOSE DREAMS THAT WE'VE HAD. FOUR. CLEARING OR OKAY, I'M GONNA I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO HOLD THAT FOR JUST A SECOND WHILE WE GO THROUGH EVERYTHING AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO CONDITIONS. MHM. OKAY, UH, FOUR STAFF. COULD IT BE A BET? WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IT WAS A VET INSTEAD OF A DOG. OKAY, WE DID. WE DIDN'T NEED TO COME BACK HERE. UM IF THAT IF THAT VET HAD KENNELS, IT WOULD STILL COME HERE BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO ADDRESS HOW THEY MANAGE THE KENNELS AND MANY MANY VETS PROVIDE. YES THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. YES, IT WOULD BE THE THEY'D HAVE THE SAME. CONDITION OF THE OPAQUE FENCE OR WALL.

STANDARD. HMM. AND I THINK AARON'S LOOKING UP TO SEE IF IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE, BUT I KNOW THAT THE OPEC WALL IS REQUIRED FOR EVENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE KENNELS. OKAY? AND WITH THIS CONDITIONAL USE DOES THAT RUN WITH THE OWNER, OR DOES THAT RUN WITH THE PROPERTY? OKAY SO I'LL BRIEF AND THEN AARON WILL FOLLOW UP. I BELIEVE IT'S THE STANDARD TO LEAVE IT TO THE BOARD WHETHER NIGHT RUNS WITH THE LAND. OR NOT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU YOU THE COMMISSION WOULD DECIDE. OKAY SO VETERINARY OFFICE IS CURRENTLY A PERMITTED USE. UM KENNEL IS NOT.

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AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE REQUESTING. THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE IT IN THE RESOLUTION THAT IT WOULD RUN WITH THE LAND, BUT THAT IS ALSO AT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.

OKAY? SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST HAVE ONE MORE. HAS THERE BEEN ANY ISSUES WITH THE NORTH RIVER SHORE'S ONE BECAUSE I WAS ON THE BOARD WHEN THAT CAME THROUGH? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE THIS ISSUE IS COMING, RIGHT? I KNOW THAT MY OFFICE IS OUT, PROCEED TO COMPLAIN. I ASKED A COUPLE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. LABOR, UNAWARE OF ANY COMPLAINTS. VERY SAD. GREAT PLAINS, BUT. OKAY THANK YOU. GOOD STUFF. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. A NOW WE'LL GET FROM THE PUBLIC WOULD RECOMMEND HAVING IT RUN WITH THE LAND. A COUPLE OF REASONS. NUMBER ONE. YOU'RE APPROVING IT ON BEHALF OF AN LLC . THEY COULD TRANSFER THE LOC AND IT WOULD RUN WITH THE LAND ANYWAY. OKAY? I, UH, BURT WARTS. MIKE DID YOU HEAR MR MARSTON? GOD GOT IT. GOT IT. OKAY LET ME JUST SAY ONE THING BEFORE YOU START. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THAT'S WHAT OUR PUBLIC COMMUNISTS SO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY. YOU CAN SAY IT WITHIN THREE MINUTES STARTING NOW, STARTING NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU AND I HAVE A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THIS IMPORTANT. MATTER IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. MY NAME IS BERT MOUNTS. I LIVE ON CHANNEL AVENUE. I'M A 20, YEAR YEAR ROUND RESIDENT OF STEWART AND A RETIRED ARCHITECT. UM. LET ME JUST JUST BEGIN. I AM ALARMED AND TERRIFIED BY THIS PROJECT.

IT IS IN DIRECT VIEW OF MY HOUSE . MY HOUSE WAS ON IS WAS INCLUDED IN EACH OF THOSE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS IN SIGHT. PLANS OF JENNIFER ON ONE SIDE, JEREMY ON THE OTHER. GONZALES WERE WE WERE ALL WE'RE HERE TODAY. TODAY WE'RE ALL ON THAT MAP. UM THE ISSUE THAT IS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED AT ALL IS THE COMING AND GOING TRAFFIC OF 20 OR 30 DOG OWNERS, DROPPING THE DOGS OFF IN THE MORNING AND DOING THEIR BUSINESS AND LEAVING AND COMING BACK AND FIVE OR SIX O'CLOCK AT NIGHT TO PICK THEIR DOGS UP. THIS IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON OUR QUIET LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH OUR NARROW STREETS. UM. AH THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT TRAFFIC IS A PROBLEM. DOG WORLDS FACILITY IN JUPITER IS AN INDUSTRIAL IS IN AN INDUSTRIAL PARK PERFECT. WE'RE ASLEEP E FLORIDA NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE NO PRIMARY SCHOOL RESIDENTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS AN ELDERLY NEIGHBORHOOD. I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T SAY THAT. UM UH MHM THIS USE AND I'M SORRY. I SIMPLY DON'T BELIEVE THE SOUND ANALYSIS OF THE YELPING DOGS. I'VE BEEN. AT MY AGE, I'VE DEALT WITH DOGS FOR MANY YEARS AND MANY SITUATIONS. UH, THE DOGS ARE GONNA YELP AND THAT'S THAT'S A NEW AND DIFFERENT AND THEN A NEGATIVE ATTRIBUTE BROUGHT TO OUR QUIET LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH AND THE SIX FT WALLS AND THE SIX FT FENCES. THEY'RE ALL UGLY. UNLESS THEY COULD BE COVERED WITH FLOWERING VINES. AND I DOUBT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. SO UH, VISUALLY ACOUSTICALLY TRAFFIC WISE IN EVERY RESPECT, THIS IS A NEGATIVE CHANGE, AND I AM AGAINST IT. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU. MULLEN GRASS. MULAN GRAD 4, 25 SOUTHWEST CHANNEL OR MCPHERSON STREET CHANNEL AVENUE HERE, FEARSOME STREET. I'M BASICALLY GONNA READ A PETITION THAT I GOT TOGETHER AND HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIGN THIS AND I'VE PROVIDED COPIES FOR EVERYBODY UP HERE. AND I'VE HAD SO FAR 14 OUT OF 17. UM PARCELS OF LAND THAT ARE PRIVATELY ON SIGNED AGAINST THIS , AND HERE'S THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS. AND I DON'T HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THEIR MODEL. I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHERE IT'S AT AND HOW THEY'RE GOING ABOUT GETTING IT DONE. ACCORDING TO DOGS WERE PROUD PROJECT NARRATIVE. UNDER THE SECTION

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REZONING ANALYSIS. AND THIS IS A QUOTE FROM THAT PROPOSED OUTSIDE PLAY AREA IS A DEVIATION FROM CODE IS NOT WITHIN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING AREA AND THEREFORE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL IS REQUIRED. AS RESIDENTS OF THE FRASER CREATES SUBDIVISION. WE STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE APPROVAL WOULD ALLOW THE OUTSIDE PLAYERS ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

APPROVAL WOULD EFFECTIVELY MAKE NULL AND VOID THE CITY CODE THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE PROTECTED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AGAINST SUCH USE. WE FEEL THIS COULD BE DISRUPTIVE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND POTENTIALLY HAVE NEGATIVE EFFECTS ON OUR PROPERTY VALUES. BUILDING WALLS HAS NO GUARANTEE THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD NOT BE DISTURBED BY THE BARKING THAT IS SURELY TO A CLERIC. OUTSIDE THE PLAYER OUTSIDE THE PLAY AREA IN THE OUTSIDE PLAYERS. FURTHERMORE DUE TO THE HOUSE HEIGHT OF THE WALLS, THERE WILL BE NO WAY OF KNOWING HOW MANY DOGS ARE ACTUALLY IN THESE OPEN AREAS. I DIDN'T GIVE HIM TIME. THEREFORE THE SOUND STUDY IS JUST AN ESTIMATE AND NOT AN ACTUAL FACT OF WHAT COULD IT MAY VERY WELL BE EXPERIENCED IF THE RESOLUTION IS PROVED. WE ARE ALL DOG AND ANIMAL LOVERS AND WANT THE BEST SITUATION FOR THEM. REALITY THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. THAT IS WHY IT'S PRESENTLY CODE. IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ARE PROTECTED. SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE IN THE CODE? IN ORDER FOR US TO ALLOWED THIS TO COME IN HERE AND DO AWAY PART OF THE CODE THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE HERE. AND IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, AND THEY'RE RIGHT THERE, HE SAYS. SO MANY FEET RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. SO THE USE IS CURRENTLY NOT ALLOWED. OH HERE WE GO.

WE'RE ALL DEAD DOG LOVERS. I MIGHT BE READING THIS TWICE. AND THIS IS AN OFFICE BUILDING SHOULD REMAIN IN OFFICE BUILDINGS AS PER THE CURRENT CODE. THIS USE IS CURRENTLY NOT ALLOWED TO THE APPLICANT BY THE EXISTING CODE. AND PLEASE DO YOUR PART TO PROTECT OUR CITY NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROPERTY VALUES AND WE KINDLY ASK THAT YOU VOTE AGAINST APPROVAL. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE RIGHT NOW. I HAVE 14. I WAS 17 PROPERTIES THERE THAT HAVE SIGNED MY PETITION.

AND I HAVE. AT LEAST TWO OR THREE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE BORED. SOME ARE MAILING RAB TOWN IN THE MAIL INTO THE COMMISSIONERS. SO WE'RE GOING TO PLEAD THE SAME CASE TO THE COMMISSIONERS. WHEN IT GOES BEFORE THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR FINAL VOTE. BUT THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING HERE IS THAT CIRCUMVENTING A CODE THAT IS HERE TO PROTECT US IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO HAPPEN. TRACY BARNES. HELLO TRACY BARNES 6 17 SOUTHWEST CHANNEL AVENUE. I'VE BEEN IN STUART FOR 58 YEARS. PUTTING THAT IN THERE. UM, I WANT TO START WITH SAYING THAT I THINK DOGS WORLD IS, UM, GREAT SERVICE FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED IT. THERE WERE FOUR OR FIVE OF US AT THE MEETING THAT JUSTIN HELD AND WE APPRECIATE THAT HE TRIED TO ALLEVIATE OUR CONCERNS AND, YOU KNOW, TALK TO US ABOUT EVERYTHING. THAT WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT. BUT EVERYTHING SAID IS BASED ON HOW DOGS WORLD IS RUN AND THEIR JUPITER LOCATION. AND, AS BURT SAID, IT'S IN A COMMERCE WAY IN JUPITER, SO IT'S IN A INDUSTRIAL AREA WITH NO THAT I COULD SEE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES THAT A GROUP OF DOGS WOULD EVEN THOUGH THIS IS HOW THEY RUN THEIR BUSINESS, AND THEY KNOW HOW THEY RUN THEIR BUSINESS AND YOU KNOW, WE I ONLY KNOW WHAT THEY TELL US . THERE'S JUST NO GUARANTEE, AND IT'S BASICALLY BASED ON THEIR ASSUMPTION THAT THE SAME THING IS GOING TO HAPPEN HERE. THAT HAPPENS THERE. ALSO THEY STATED THAT THE BUSINESS IS THAT THE BUILDING IS AN OUTSTANDING FIT BECAUSE NOT MANY CHANGES NEEDED TO BE MADE. BUT WE DON'T BELIEVE IT'S AN OUTSTANDING FIT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM AND BELIEVE THERE ARE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT ARE RIGHT THAT ARE NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY. LASTLY, THE PROPOSED BUILDING FOR DOGS WORLD IS IN THE CREEK DISTRICT, WHICH IS DESCRIBED AS AN OFFICIALLY QUOTE OFFICIALLY DOESN'T GET IT ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AND A CHARMING SECTION OF STEWART WITH A LIVELY MUSIC SCENE. MONTHLY ART WALKS AND SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS.

UNFORTUNATELY AS YOU MAY KNOW, THAT CREEK DISTRICT ALSO BOASTS SCREAMING SIRENS, MOTORCYCLES THAT RACE DOWN COLORADO AVENUE, CAR HORNS AND VERY VOCAL DRIVERS RACING FROM US ONE DOWN COLORADO IN A RAGE. I BELIEVE THAT NONE OF THAT IS CONDUCIVE TO A PEACEFUL SITUATION FOR DOGS AND THAT THERE'S JUST A BETTER PLACE FOR DOGS. WORLD SECOND LOCATION . THANK YOU, TRACY. OTHERS.

THAT'S YOU, GARY SLAWSON. OKAY? AFTERNOON. FIRST THING I WANT TO KNOW. ARE YOU BUYING OR LEASING THE BUILDING? YOU'RE PURCHASING THE BUILDING, COMMENT DURING, OKAY? WELL I JUST WANT TO SEE IF

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IT WAS. ARE YOU GOING TO SOUNDPROOF TO BUILD? NO. YOU CAN ADDRESS THIS. SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, ALL RIGHT? I GOT THREE MINUTES. ALRIGHT YOUR QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE CAN ASK WHATEVER. ALRIGHT ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH KIND OF KNEW IT KIND OF DEALING WITH THIS. BUT I THINK HE HE SAID IT PROPERLY. THIS GENTLEMAN RIGHT BEFORE ME. I MEAN THE LADY THE GENERATION BEFORE THEM, BUT IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. YOU WANT TO PUT A KETTLE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND. WHY DON'T THEY KNOCK IT DOWN AND BUILD SOME HOUSES? I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT'S A VERY PEACEFUL WE DEAL WITH SOME MUSIC BUT BARKING AND THEN I SAW THAT VIDEO AND IT WAS NOTHING BUT LABS AND THEY DON'T BARK ANYWAY. SO HOW DO YOU SAY THAT? YOU PLAY THAT, BUT YOU WANT. DON'T YOU SEE WHAT IT'S REALLY ABOUT? WHERE WERE THE JACK RUSSELLS? YOU KNOW, I MEAN , COME ON. I MEAN, YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THIS FOOL PICTURE. THIS IS RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

YES, I HAVE THREE MINUTES. AND BESIDES THAT, LIKE HE SAID. YOU SAID MY NEIGHBOR HERE SAID I LIVE AT 6 25 CHANNEL AVENUE AND I LOOKED RIGHT AT IT. JUST LIKE MY NEIGHBORS. DO YOU THINK WE NEED THESE PEOPLE COMING IN? AND NOW ALL DAY LONG OVER THEIR DOGS ? I MEAN, IF IT WAS A DOCTOR'S OFFICE A FINE IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING. IT ISN'T A FARM. THIS IS NOT FARM PROPERTY AND WE'RE NOT FARMING ANIMALS. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. GARY SAUCES 6.5 CHANNEL AVENUE. PLEASURE TALKING TO YOU. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY? DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? SAYING NONE. WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO THE ER. WE'RE GONNA BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY DISCUSSION. UH YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I COULD YOU ADDRESS THE TWO QUESTIONS YOU HAD SAID THAT YOU'RE PERSPECTIVE IS YOU WANT TO PURCHASE THE LAND? IS THAT CORRECT? COULD YOU KNOW I HAVE TO ASK THEM? NOT YOU NOT YOU SIT . YEAH I WE HAVE PROTOCOL. WE HAVE TO FOLLOW AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. SO COME ON UP TO THE MIC. I'M UNDER CONTRACT TO BUY THE PROPERTY ARE CLOSING DATE, WHICH WE'VE EXTENDED TWICE NOW, IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL OUR DUCKS IN A ROW.

REGARDING THESE ISSUES IS OCTOBER 25TH. OKAY? THE OTHER QUESTIONS. THE OTHER ONE WAS THE HE HAD ASKED A QUESTION REGARDING SOUNDPROOFING THE BUILDING. ARE YOU DOING IN A ANY ADDITIONAL ADDITIONS TO THE BUILDING TO CREATE ADDITIONAL SOUNDPROOFING. UH YES, WE ARE TAKING CERTAIN MEASURES. UM ALL OF THE PLAY AREAS AND THANK ALL OF THE PLAY AREAS AND MUCH OF THE INDOOR. UM, ALL OF THE INDOOR KENNEL AND ALL OF THE INDOOR PLAYING IS FIRST OF ALL INSIDE OF THE CONCRETE BLOCK BUILDING SO THERE WOULD BE NO SOUND GETTING OUT OF THE BUILDING TO BEGIN WITH, BUT WE'RE ALSO BUILDING ON INTERIOR HALLWAY, SORT OF A BIG RECTANGLE AND ALL THE 90% OF THE DOG HAIR STUFF IS GOING TO BE HOUSED WITHIN THERE, SO IT'S GOING TO BE SEPARATED YET AGAIN BY A INTERIOR WALL. HOW ALWAYS OFFICES. EXTERIOR WALL. THERE'S REALLY I MEAN, JUST HONESTLY, THERE'S ZERO CHANCE DOG NOISE IS GOING TO BE ESCAPING THE BUILDING FROM DOGS. OKAY ANOTHER QUESTION REGARDING THE NOISE THING AND IT WAS WHEN I WAS WONDERING ABOUT ALSO IS THE REASON YOU HAVE THE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. YOU HAVE THE SMALL DOG AREA BECAUSE THEY'RE LOUDER BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT THE LARGE DOG AREAS THE ONES ON THE SOUTH SIDE. THEN IS THAT WHY YOU HAVE IT THERE OR BECAUSE I HAD THE SAME THOUGHTS AND IN MY NOTES TO ASK, YOU KNOW WHEN WE GOT TO THIS POINT ABOUT THE SMALLER DOGS BECAUSE POMERANIANS AND ALL THE SMALLER ONES ARE MUCH LOUDER THAN THE BIG ONES. THERE'S SHRILLER ALSO , I MEAN, THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF IT. THEY'RE NOT ONLY JUST LOUDER THERE, SHRILLER. YEAH I'D BE HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THAT. SO IT WAS NOT STRICTLY A NOISE CONSIDERATION ON WHERE WE PLACED IT WAS BECAUSE YOU CAN, YOU KNOW BEST BUSINESS PRACTICES IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DOGS IN A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE, SO THE SMALLER DOG PARK IS AS MUCH SMALLER AREA SO IT WOULD HOUSE 15 DOGS, YOU KNOW, £25 OR LESS EASILY WITH EACH HAVING ENOUGH SPACE, SO THEY'RE NOT BE CRAMPED

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OR ARE STRESSED THE LARGE DOG PARK AREA WAS DESIGNATED THAT WAY BECAUSE IT'S MUCH MORE SPACE AND THEREFORE EVEN £100 DOGS CAN BE EASILY SPACED. NOW THAT DOES FACTOR INTO THE NOISE EQUATION, BECAUSE IF YOU OVER PACK DOGS IN A SPACE, THEY GET STRESSED, AS I THINK MOST OF US ANYONE WHO HAS A PET NOTES AND THEY ARE LIABLE TO VOCALIZE MORE IF THEY'RE STRESSED SO AND THEN. TO SPEAK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT SMALL DOGS . I WE, YOU KNOW IF ANYONE HAD TOLD ME. THE POINT WILL BE BROUGHT UP. THIS SMALL DOGS ARE LOUDER. I WOULD HAVE PRODUCED A VIDEO WITH SMALL DOGS TO SHOW YOU THAT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT'S ALSO WELL, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THAT THEY ARE THEY SHRILLER? YES, BUT THEY DON'T TYPICALLY BARK MORE OR LESS MORE LOUDLY THAN LARGE DOGS AGAIN. FOR THE SAME REASONS ARE DOGS JUST GENERALLY DON'T BARK AS MUCH AS OTHER DOGS AND OTHER FACILITIES OR OTHER DOGS WHO LIVE IN PEOPLE'S HOMES ARE ARE SMALL DOGS WERE ENGAGED AND PLAY . THEY'RE ACTIVELY MANAGED BY THE COUNCILORS. WE KICKED DOGS OUT FOR BARKING FROM OUR FACILITY IN JUBA. THEY WE HAVE ASKED DOGS TO LEAVE ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE REST OF THE GROUP. IF ONE DOG IS BARKING INCESSANTLY IN ANOTHER DOG'S FACE, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SMALLER DRUGS ARE NOT NECESSARILY INHERENTLY LOUDER AGAIN. IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH DOG BEHAVIOR. UM, THE SKILL OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MANAGING THE DOGS. AND UM, AND IT ALSO HAS A LOT TO DO WITH OUR THEIR NEEDS GETTING MET. ARE THEY GETTING THE PROPER AMOUNT OF STIMULATION SO AS TO NOT BE OVERSTIMULATED, POSSIBLY OVER TIRED AND BARKING BECAUSE OF THAT, NOT BEING STRESSED BY BEING PACKED IN WITH TOO MANY DOGS AND POSSIBLY BARKING WITH THAT, AND THEN NOT AND, UM, NOT BEING BORED SO THAT THEY BARK BECAUSE OF THAT? AND I THINK THE VIDEO WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LARGE DOGS OR SMALL DOGS DOES A GOOD, VERY GOOD JOB OF SHOWING THAT IF THE DOGS ARE ENGAGED IN THE RIGHT LEVEL OF PLAYING, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF BARKING. OKAY THANK YOU. HAVE ANYTHING ELSE HAD A COUPLE MORE? YOU DON'T MIND? UH, A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. I MEAN, NOT JUST THAT, BUT BUT QUESTIONS KIND OF FOR STAFF. AND I BELIEVE IT'S TRUE THAT WE CAN ADD ADDITIONAL. THINGS THAT WE WANT TO THINK THEY NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO MEET IT BECAUSE I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED. WITH OKAY, THERE'S A SIX FT WALL THAT WILL HOLD IT DOWN PRETTY MUCH TO THE LOWER THING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AH! MAYBE I SHOULD. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME LARGER SHRUBS. ALONG THAT SIX FT WALL IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, BECAUSE THAT ALSO BUFFERS IT. EVEN AS MUCH OR MORE THAN THAT, IF YOU HAVE HIGHER, YOU KNOW, THICK SCRUBS THAT ARE ACROSS THERE THAT GET EVEN HIGHER AND IF YES, IF IT DIDN'T CODE, CERTAIN PLANTS CAN GO ON TOP OF THE WALL, THICK CYPRUS TYPE PLANTS. THERE'S SEVERAL SPECIES THAT HAVE REALLY WELL KNOWN FOR THEIR ABILITY TO SUCK IN SOUND AND DAMPEN SOUND. AND UH, I THE OVER THE WALLS WERE INTERESTED IN MAKING IT AS AESTHETICALLY PALMS WILL ALSO YOU PUT ABROAD THEN THEY'LL STOP . YEAH ABSOLUTELY. YEAH AND YOU KNOW FOR BOTH FOR BOTH NOISE, MITIGATION AND AESTHETICS. WE ARE HAPPY TO COMPLY. IT'S A LUXURY PEPPERS SORT. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ATTRACTIVE FROM THE OUTSIDE, SO IT'S YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO DETRACT FROM THE AESTHETICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE ARE HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER YOU KNOW WE CAN DO TO MITIGATE THE SOUND TO MAKE THE BOARD COMFORTABLE AND IT WILL MAKE THE STREET LOOK BETTER, TOO. AND I AGREE WITH KATIE'S YOU KNOW, I HAD THE SAME CONCERN ABOUT RETAINING THE WATER ON SITE. SO THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING. SO BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER ABOUT CONDITIONS. ARE WE GOING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL? I HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. ITS STAFF'S CONDITIONS. DOES ANYBODY NOT WANT TO RECOMMEND IT. RIGHT? YEAH. RIGHT, BUT HE MAY WANT TO WITHDRAW IT. YOU WANT TO WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THIS TO GO FORWARD. WELL I DON'T. BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL. THAT'S FINE. I WAS ON THAT I WAS ON THE BOARD. WHEN WE HAD A SIMILAR DISCUSSION ON THE NORTH RIVER SHORE'S ONE OKAY. WE HAD A VERY SIMILAR DISCUSSION, AND IT BACKED RIGHT UP TO THE NORTH RIVER SHORE'S COMMUNITY. AND WE HAD TO DO A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS AND IF IT HAS NOT CREATED A PROBLEM, THIS WAS QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO. AND IF IT HASN'T CREATED A PROBLEM, THEN I OKAY. WITHDRAW MY MOTION, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT KATIE

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NICOLE, UM, GONNA ASK YOU NOT TO PARTICIPATE. ALL ALL I WANTED TO SAY IS THERE'S A CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED CHANGE, SO I DON'T WANT THAT TO GET LOST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH KATIE QUESTIONS ABOUT PROCEDURE. SO IF WE WANT TO MAKE CONDITIONS DO I NEED TO WITHDRAW? NO NO, NO, WE'RE FINE. WE'LL ADD THEM TOO. AND SO THE APPLICANTS APPLICANT HAS A CONDITION THAT HE IS NOT AGREE WITH STAFF ON YES. SO JUST TO RESTATE THAT DIFFERENCE. UM STAMP LOOK AT THE NOISE OR THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE. THE NOISE STUDY WAS THAT BAD DONE BASED ON FIVE SMALL DOGS AND FIVE LARGE DOGS, UM THEY WOULD FOR THEIR BUSINESS MODEL TO WORK. THEY'RE REQUESTING 15 AND 15 15 SMALL 15 LARGE AS A MAXIMUM, NOT AMOUNT NUMBER OF DOGS OUTSIDE UM THEIR RATIONALE IS THAT AND I THINK THEY STATED IN THEIR PRESENTATION IS THEY DON'T THINK IT'S FEASIBLE TO THINK THAT'S ALL 30 DOGS ARE GOING TO BARK AT THE SAME TIME, SO THAT'S WHY THEY THAT'S THEY STATED. THAT IS WHY THEIR STUDY WAS BASED ON 10 DOGS AND NOT 30. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES IT A WE UNDERSTAND WHAT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND BECAUSE SO IF, IF YOU GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION, IT'S GOING TO GO AGAINST THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS PLAN, BUT IT'S YOU'RE RECOMMENDING TO THE COMMISSION HOW TO MOVE IT FORWARD OR NOT. THAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION BODY . EXACTLY YOU DON'T MAKE A FINAL WORD. YOU JUST MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. GREAT. 10 BARKING DOGS OR $10.10 BARKING DOGS. IT WAS NO SO THEIR WORST CASE SCENARIO THAT THEY DID IT ON WAS 10 DOGS BARKING AT THE SAME TIME, AND THEY STATED THAT THEY DON'T THINK THAT THAT THEY THINK THAT WOULD BE THE MOST OUT OF THE 30 THAT WOULD BARK AT THE SAME TIME. SO I HAVE A FEW THINGS THAT HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ONE. WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO GO IN AND OUT ON CHANNEL INSTEAD OF USING COLORADO. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WHY WE CAN'T USE COLORADO IS THE IN AND OUT. INSTEAD OF CHANNEL NEIGHBORHOOD. WERE US ONE. DON'T GO ON TO YOU THIS MORNING WITHOUT GOING TO COLORADO. YES, YOU DO THAT ACCESS FROM PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. WE WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE FOR LIKE A HOME DEPOT LOADING AND TOLD THEM THAT THEIR TRUCKS OR I THINK EVEN WHEN SUPER WALMART CAME IN THE TRUCKS WERE GOING TO STAY ON POMEROY AND THEY BUILT THE ROAD. BUT FROM A STANDPOINT OF THE INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMERS, I THINK IT'S A DIFFICULT RESTRICTION TO PREVENT THEM FROM USING THE RIGHT AWAY, BUT YOU COULD DIRECT THEM AND THEY COULD ATTEMPT TO USE THAT WELL, WE QUOTE WE COULD DO IS MAKE LOADING AND UNLOADING OFF OF OFF OF, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WASN'T NICK, I'LL LET YOU ANSWER THIS BECAUSE YOU DO KNOW MORE THAN EVIL. YOU USING US ONE? YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER BUILDING. CORRECT IT'S NOT A DIRECT ACCESS INTO THAT. THERE'S AN UNRESTRICTED ACCESS TO U. S ONE TO A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT US ONE. BUT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH ROLE. I MEAN, WHEN I DRIVE THROUGH THAT PROPERTY, I END UP OUT AT US ONE IN PALM CITY ROAD, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE BECAUSE I CAN MAKE IT GO THROUGH THE OTHER 4,000,004 CORRECT. CORRECT. SO I'D LIKE I'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF OUR HEADS TO MAKE THE PICK UP AND DROP OFF. OFF OF COLORADO. I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONCRETE WALL ON BOTH SIDES, NOT JUST OFFENSE. AND I'D LIKE IT TO HAVE UM, SOME SORT OF IT. AND ALSO ON TOP OF IT. USED TO ACT AS A NOISE, BAT A BARRIER. I'D ALSO LIKE TO USE THE SAME SYSTEM WE USED. ON THE KENNEL IN NORTH RIVER SHORE'S FOR THE WASTE AND THE WATER TREATMENT. BECAUSE I THERE ARE A LOT OF POND THERE'S A POND THERE. AND I'M REALLY NOT REALLY WANTING TO SEE THINGS GO DOWN. IN IN INTO ENTER INTO US SYSTEMS, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. WOULD YOU MIND IF WE HAD THOSE CONDITIONS? NO. WOULD YOU MIND? NO. OKAY DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CONDITIONS? YOU'D LIKE TO ASK FRANK. NO THOSE THOSE BROUGHT UP THE THINGS THAT I WAS CONCERNED WITH, POTENTIALLY WITH THE RUNOFF. AND THEN THE SOUND AND IN TERMS OF THE JUST ADDING

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VEGETATION, BECAUSE THAT'S A GREAT SOUND BUFFER JUST IN ADDITIONAL VEGETATE. IS THIS A LARGER FACILITY THAN THE ONE IN NORTH SHORE'S AND WHAT WE NEED TO SAY THAT IT NEEDS IF IT'S DOUBLE? IT NEEDS TWO OF THOSE. I'M GONNA LET ENGINEERING FIGURE THAT OUT AS A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE I'M NOT EQUIPPED TO SAY HOW MANY TRAINS THERE NEEDS TO BE IN THAT LETTER. YEAH. SO. 3 10 ON 100% SO HOW MANY INDIVIDUAL DRAINS LIKE THE OTHER THING WAS DRAINAGE DITCH JUST RIGHT BEHIND THE NORTH RIVER SHORE'S ONE. I MEAN, IT WAS RIGHT THERE THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE DRAINING INTO LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS THAT WAS HOW IT IT WORKED. THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS. UH SEVEN A.M. TO A T. M. AND SIX A.M. TO EIGHT. P.M. MAKE SURE THAT IS A CONDITION SOCIETY AND SUNDAY UM, I THINK THAT. HAS WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO WITH THIS. AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS AN OFFICE BUILDING. YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT HAVING JUST AND I'M GLAD I RETIRED BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE STUCK WITH OFFICES RIGHT NOW. OFFICERS ARE NOT RENTING.

SO WE HAVE TO RE REPURPOSE THESE BUILDINGS AND WHAT I LIKE TO REPURPOSE IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE . ABSOLUTELY IT HAS SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN HERE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT I LIVE BY GROOM PARK.

I THINK THAT'S THE NAME OF IT OFF 10 OR HIGHWAY BANI PARK PARK . OKAY, THANK YOU. AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, I HEAR NOTHING ON THAT ONE AT ALL. AND I'M OUT ALL TIMES. I USUALLY WALK IN THE MORNING AT 5 15. AND IF YOU SEE ME IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, KURT, DON'T WE'RE HERE. FOR BUT I MEAN, I WALKED BY WE COME IN AND OUT. OKAY YOU'RE RIGHT. I'M SORRY, MIKE. SO AGAIN. I DO REALIZE THAT THIS IS A DIFFERENT CHANGE. BUT. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THESE BUILDINGS.

WE CAN'T JUST LET HIM STAY VACANT. SO THAT'S MY CONCERNS. SO IF YOU AGREE TO THOSE CHANGES WE CAN. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TAKE A VOTE SECOND OR ISN'T OKAY? OKAY? AH! AH, ALL IN FAVOR. HI.

HI. WHAT DO YOU NEED A. YOU KNOW A VOICE FOR, OKAY? UM EXCUSE ME BORED. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO GET CLARIFICATION ON IF YOU'RE GOING WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE NUMBER OF DOGS OR THE APPLICANTS REQUEST ON THE NUMBER OF DOGS OUTSIDE ITS RECOMMENDATIONS. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION MOTION WAS FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU ADDITIONS TO THE OKAY? THANK YOU. REMEMBER MAKE HAMSON NO. BOARD MEMBER WAKA CHAIR. CAMPENNI? YES. MIKE. IS THIS MOTION PASSED WITH 21, THE ADVISORY BOARD AND THAT IS NO PROBLEM. SO THIS MOTION DOES NOT 21. BUT UNIQUE IF YOU HAVE DOESN'T PASS OR FAIL, IT DOESN'T EITHER WAY IT GOES TO THE CR.

REPORTED. OKAY DON'T WON'T MATTER. BUT TECHNICALLY SPEAKING ON OKAY? REPORTED REPORTED FINE.

OKAY? THANK YOU NEXT. ARE WE TAKING A LITTLE BREAK? YOU WANT TO GET STARTED, OR YEAH . GO AHEAD. WAITING FOR FRANK. I MEAN, WE SHOULD MAKE IT BACK BY 10. OKAY? OKAY. SO PUT NAGHANI

[2. PRESENTATION OF THE PROPOSED FORM BASED CODE FOR THE EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CREEK DISTRICT BY THE TCRPC]

SERVED AS SIERRA DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD. UM I'M GONNA INTRODUCE THE ITEM, THE C R A AND THE CITY CITIES DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HAVE BEEN WORKING ON UPDATING THE EXISTING CODE WITH THE FORM BASED CODE. THIS IS ACTUALLY BEING BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS SINCE 2008 THAT THE CITY WANTED TO UPDATE THE CODE WITH THE FORM BASED CODE. UH BUT WE'VE DECIDED TO KIND OF STARTED START WITH LIMITED AREA. WE SELECTED TWO AREAS IN THE SIERRA. HEY BEING THE CREEK DISTRICT AND THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS WILL ALLOW US TO KIND OF GET FAMILIAR WITH

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FORM BASED CODE AND ITS APPLICATION BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OTHER AREAS WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU SOME UPDATE OF ALL THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH THAT THE C R A AND THE CITY HAS DONE IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS FOR THIS PROJECT. WE HAD OUR FIRST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, UM IN THE STEWART WHEN WE DID THE VISION WORKSHOP. AH WE HAD WE ACTUALLY MAILED OUT 500 POSTCARDS TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE RESIDENTS. WE ALSO DROPPED OFF FLYERS TO INFORM THE RESIDENTS OF THE UPCOMING MEETING. WE ALSO DID THE DOOR HANGERS, SO WE DID A LOT OF NOTIFICATION FOR THE WORKSHOP AND WE HAD ABOUT 30 PARTICIPATIONS AT THAT MEETING.

AND THEN IN LATE JANUARY, WE HAD THE GUIDED WALKING TOUR WITH THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL, AND, UM, THIS WAS DONE FOR THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CREEK DISTRICT, AND WE ALSO MAILED OUT OVER 800 POSTCARDS, UM, AND ALSO DROPPED OFF. UH FLYERS AND DOOR HANGERS FOR THIS MEETING AS WELL. AND THEN LATER IN MARCH. YEAH AND LATER IN MARCH, WE HAD AN UPDATE TO THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD DURING THE NEIGHBORHOOD WALK WORKSHOP, AND WE HAD ABOUT 20 PARTICIPANTS AT THAT MEETING. AND THEN IN JUNE, WE HAD ANOTHER WORK IN PROGRESS MEETINGS WITH THE CREEK DISTRICT AND THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE HAD ABOUT 30 PARTICIPANTS AGAIN. WE MAIL THAT POSTCARDS OVER 800 POSTCARDS TO BOTH AREAS FOR PARTICIPATION. AND IN ADDITION, TRAGIC COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH CONCERNED CITIES. CITIZENS OF E. STEWART UH, THEY'VE ALSO BEEN ENGAGED WITH INTERVIEWING 85 MORE THAN 85 RESIDENTS. PROPERTY OWNERS, STAKEHOLDERS, CRB MEMBERS AND CITY COMMISSIONERS.

AND THEN THIS MEETING WAS ALSO, UM, NOTICE TO THIS CREEK DISTRICT AND EASTERN NEIGHBORHOOD. WE PROVIDED THE Q R CODE SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE CODE. WE HAVE A LANDING PAGE ON THE C R A WEBSITE. UH, SO THAT IT TAKES THEM DIRECTLY TO OUR WEBSITE SO THEY CAN REVIEW THE CODE. COME TO THIS MEETING PREPARED FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK. AND TONIGHT IT IS JUST A PRESENTATION FROM THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL.

WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENTS AND MATCH CHANGES AND DEPENDING ON THE DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD . UH THIS WILL GO AS AN ORDINANCE IN NOVEMBER. SHOULD THE BOARD DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD FOR ADOPTION HEARINGS. SO I'LL LET JESSE TO TAKE OVER AND SHE'LL PROVIDE, UM, UPDATE ON THE CODE. HI THERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. JESSICA SEYMOUR FOR TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL, EXCITED TO BE PRESENTING SOME CONTENT BACK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THIS CODE UPDATE. YOU GUYS STARTED SEEING MATERIAL ALONG THIS LINE. IN ADDITION TO THE OUTREACH, THAT PANEL INCLUDED THERE, WE ALSO PRESENTED A KIND OF A 101 ON FORM BASED CODES. UM KALI, PROBABLY, LIKE EIGHT MONTHS AGO. NOW I THINK, UM SO I'M NOT GONNA SPEND AS MUCH TIME TALKING ABOUT WHAT A FORM BASED CODE IS, AND I'M GOING TO GO RIGHT INTO SOME OF THE REGULATIONS IN THIS PRESENTATION AND THE STRUCTURE OF WHAT WE'RE PREPARING FOR THE CITY. UM AS A REMINDER FOR ANYBODY WHO'S LISTENING IN, UM I WORK FOR TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL OR ONE OF 10 REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCILS IN THE STATE, WHERE LOCATED AND STEWART AND WE ONLY WORKED FOR CITIES. WE DON'T WORK FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR. WE ARE AN EXTENSION OF STAFF WHEN WE'RE ASKED TO GO PLACES, SO THAT'S UM , WHERE WE'RE HERE IN THIS CAPACITY. AND THIS IS A LINEAR OUTLINE OF ALL THAT OUTREACH THAT WE JUST, UM THAT PANEL GANDHI, STAVROS JUST BEAUTIFULLY SUMMARIZED FOR US. UM HERE WE GO. HERE WE ARE. TODAY WE'RE DOING THE CRB PRESENTATION WILL BE BACK ON THURSDAY TO DO ANOTHER PRESENTATION AND THEN THE CITY COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 26. THESE ARE ALL PRESENTATIONS TO GET EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS. UM AND GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE GOING TO 10TH STREET 2% THE COMMUNITY CENTER THERE ON OCTOBER 11TH AND THEN WORKING TOWARDS ADOPTION IN NOVEMBER, AND THAT WILL GO TO THE L P A. AND THE CITY COMMISSION TWICE.

YOU SAW THIS SLIDE ALREADY? WE'RE ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATION TO GO FORWARD AND FOR FEEDBACK. UM THIS IS A REALLY JUST A PREAMBLE FOR ANYBODY WHO IS CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR EXISTING STRUCTURES, THEIR EXISTING BUILDINGS AND THEIR EXISTING USES, UM FOR THEM.

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GENERALLY SPEAKING, THERE ARE MOST USES. IF NOT ALL USES ARE CONTINUING. SO YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE, UM, ANY CONFLICTS IN THESE PROPOSALS? BUT JUST TO REMIND HER WHEN WE INTRODUCED NEW CODE OR CHANGE TO THE CODE, ANYTHING THAT IS EXISTING AND ILLEGAL, CONTINUOUSLY ACTIVE USE WILL CONTINUE TO BE A PERMITTED USE. UM AND THESE CODE OF CHANGES THAT I'M DESCRIBING DON'T TAKE EFFECT UNTIL IT'S ADOPTED. AND THE POINT OF THESE CODE RECOMMENDATIONS. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS IN A CODE IS PREDICTABILITY. THE DEVELOPER, THE STAFF, THE APPLICANTS, THE NEIGHBORS WANT PREDICTABILITY AND WHAT THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE ALLOWED TO DO AND WHAT THEY AS A AS A BUILDER OR SOMEONE WHO HAS A VISION FOR A PROPERTY ARE ALLOWED TO DO SO. THIS IS ANOTHER LAYER. OF CODE INFORMATION THAT'S GOING TO HELP ENHANCE THAT LEVEL OF PREDICTABILITY. AGAIN GOING TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE CODE. THIS IS FOR US ROLL LAND DEVELOPMENT . UH WONKY FOLKS RIGHT HERE, BUT , UM, SO RIGHT NOW, THE EXISTING LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS HAVE A CHAPTER CALLED CHAPTER THREE. THIS IS ALREADY A SPECIAL CHAPTER DEDICATED TO THE C, R A AND SPECIAL REGULATIONS WITHIN THAT, UM DISTRICT. IT'S EVEN CALLED SPECIAL. SO UM, THESE RECOMMENDED CODES WILL GO INTO THAT SAME CHAPTER. WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD GO EXACTLY WHERE IT IS TODAY AND THAT THE CREEK DISTRICT CREATES A NEW SECTION. UNDER THAT. UM IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TABLE OF CONTENTS ON UNICODE, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE. TODAY YOU'LL SEE THE BLUES HIGHLIGHTING THE SPECIAL ZONING CODES. DISTRICTS UH, THE E. STEWART CODE. RIGHT? THERE IS THREE POINT OH, TWO. AND WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS THAT THE NEW CODE WOULD COME INTO THAT SAME LOCATION WITHIN THE CODE, AND THEN THE CREEK DISTRICT WOULD BECOME A NEW SECTION WITHIN CHAPTER THREE. WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FEATURES OF A ORGANIZATION OF THIS CODE AS WE WANT IT TO BE EASILY NAVIGABLE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE WORKING IN MORE THAN ONE DISTRICT AND THIS IS REALLY HELPFUL FOR STAFF SO THAT THEY CAN FIND THE RIGHT ANSWERS FOR APPLICANTS QUICKLY AND CONCERNED CITIZENS, SO YOU'LL NOTICE RIGHT HERE. WHAT WE'RE SEEING EXPLAINING HERE IS THAT AS MANY POSSIBLE REGULATIONS THAT ARE UNIQUE TO THIS DISTRICT THAT ARE FOUND IN CHAPTER SIX. CHAPTER TWO OR CHAPTER FIVE. WE'RE BRINGING THEM INTO THOSE SECTIONS, SO IT'S MUCH MORE OF A ONE STOP SHOP WHEN AN APPLICANT COMES IN TO LOOK FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO ON THAT PROPERTY. UM AND THEN, IF IT'S IDENTICAL, WILL REFERENCE IT BY CODE, YOU KNOW, JUST GO BACK TO THIS SECTION.

WHAT I ALSO ALLOWS US TO DO IS CREATE A STANDARDIZED WAY OF PRESENTING THE INFORMATION. WE GO FROM THE MACRO TO THE MICRO. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN BOTH THE EAST STEWART CODE AND IN THE CREEK DISTRICT CODE, THEY'LL FOLLOW THE SAME ORGANIZATION. IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE CODE, YOU'LL SEE THAT, UM, THAT SECTION FOR THOROUGHFARE TYPES IS THREE POINT OH, TWO. OH 64 E. STEWART AND IT FOLLOWS THE SAME NOMENCLATURE FOR, UH, THE CREEK DISTRICT, SO THERE'S PARODY AND WHERE YOU FIND MATERIAL. ALRIGHT LITTLE MORE INTERESTING. WE'LL GET INTO MORE DETAIL. SO FIRST WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT ON EAST STEWART SPECIFIC, UM, REGULATIONS WILL TAKE A PAUSE. I THINK AT THAT POINT AND ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND THEN WE'LL TALK MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CREEK. ALSO OF NOTE WE IF YOU GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE HERE IMPORTANT DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE SPECIAL ZONING CODES IS THAT THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD STYLE CODE AND A DISTRICT CODE, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SCALE OF INTENSITY. UM BETWEEN THE TWO. NATURALLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE OF MORE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CHARACTER , AND A DISTRICT IS GOING TO BE MORE URBAN IN ITS CHARACTER. SO THAT'S A DISTINCTION IN THE LANGUAGE THERE. THAT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S HELPFUL TO START WITH WHAT THIS CODE ISN'T DOING SOMETIMES, UM, HEIGHT AND DENSITY ARE ALWAYS THE MOST, UM SENSITIVE FEATURES OF A CODE THAT PEOPLE YOU CAN CLEARLY UNDERSTAND AND LATCH ON TO. SO I WANT TO JUST AT THE FRONT, SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY ADDITIONAL STORIES TO THE HEIGHT IN EAST STEWART. IN FACT, WE'RE GONNA DIAL INTO THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL HEIGHT AS FAR AS STORIES AND THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL DENSITY THAT'S NOT ALREADY LOUD THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PUT THOSE THINGS OUT THERE TO START WITH.

ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF WHAT WE'RE INTRODUCING AND TIES INTO THAT

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PREDICTABILITY OF THE CODE. UM IS ALSO IN THE PROCESS, SO WE WANT TO MAKE IT AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE TO APPLICANTS. WHAT THE PROCESSES AS THEY GO INTO, UM, DEVELOPMENT AND WHEN I SAY DEVELOPMENT OR DEVELOPERS, WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING . THAT'S LARGE SCALE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WANTS TO BUILD A HOME AND OFFICE . UM YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION, YOU KNOW, AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WHEN YOU YOU WERE BUILDING SOMETHING YOU WERE DEVELOPER. SO ALL OF THOSE FOLKS. WE WANT TO KEEP THEM INTO THE PROCESS AS CLEARLY AS POSSIBLE SO WE WOULD DEVELOP THIS CHART TO SHOW THAT IF YOU WERE DOING ANY OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ON THIS AREA RIGHT HERE THEY'RE OUT OF THE ORDINARY. WHAT ARE THE REQUIRED , UH, BOARD PRESENTATIONS AND MEETINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ANTICIPATED TO DO. I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE A LITTLE BIT. ONE IS IN PRACTICE. UM THE C R A HAS ENGAGED IN PRE APPLICATION CONFERENCES, BUT WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT A WRITTEN STATEMENT THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED . THEY WEREN'T UM, THE LANGUAGE TODAY WASN'T CLEAR ON THAT. SO WE'RE CLEARING THAT UP TO A PRE APPLICATION CONFERENCE WOULD BE REQUIRED. AND THIS ASPECT OF THE PROCESS IS TRUE IN THE CREEK AS WELL. WE ALSO WANTED TO KEY IN THE CRB INTO MORE OF THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW. THE CRB, UM IS NOT REQUIRED IN ALL OF THESE PROCESSES IN A VARIANCE IN TH CO THE CRB IN THE PAST THAT HAS CREATED SOME INTERESTING CONDITIONS WHERE SOMETHING GOES TO THE L P A. WITH CRB HASN'T SEEN IT. AND YOU KNOW, AS THE L P A. HAS ONE INTEREST AND ONE UNDERSTANDING BUT THE CRB YOU GUYS HAVE A VERY SPECIAL MISSION AND A VERY SPECIAL SET OF STANDARDS AND NOT INPUT NEEDS TO BE GATHERED INTO THE PROCESS. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE CRB BE ADDED TO THESE PROCESSES AND THAT THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY IS ALSO PART OF THE ZONING CHANGES. SO THESE ARE ONLY IF THOSE, UM ZONING CHANGES REQUIRED A FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES ACQUIRED OR VARIANTS THOSE PROCESSES. WE ALSO ADDED, UM THIS RIGHT HERE. BOTH EAST STEWART AND THE CREEK ARE UNIQUE IN THAT THEY HAVE, UM BUSINESS ORGANIZATIONS AND COMMUNITY DRIVEN ORGANIZATIONS LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THOSE BUSINESSES AND INDIVIDUALS. SO IN HERE IF A PROJECT SEEMS, IS DEEMED APPROPRIATE, THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR MAY REQUEST THAT THAT PROJECT GET PRESENTED TO THOSE, UH, ORGANIZATIONS. UM AND THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO THEN BRING BACK THE SIGN IN SHEET AS A PART OF, UM, NOTING THAT THAT PROCESS HAS HAPPENED. AND THE OTHER REALLY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE PROCESSES UNDERSTANDING MAJOR DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW. A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE CITY IS 35 DWELLING UNITS IN A SINGLE PROJECT. UH 50,000 SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENT ON CHILL DEVELOPMENT AND 50,000 FT OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. THOSE NUMBERS FOR EAST EAST STEWART'S NEIGHBORHOOD ARE VERY BIG. UM AND SO THE IDEA THAT A PROJECT OF THAT SCALE COULD COME IN TO SEE STUART WITHOUT ANY BOARD APPEARANCES OR ANY OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY DID NOT SEEM APPROPRIATE OR PREDICTABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY, SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT WELL, WHAT ARE THOSE APPROPRIATE SCALES? AND SO WE STRESS TEST? SOME OF THE SITES WITH ANY STEWART TO LOOK AT. WHAT ARE THE SCALES OF PROPERTY THERE AND THEN CAME TO A RECOMMENDATION OF 20,000 SQUARE FEET FOR A NON RESIDENTIAL OR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE PERMITTED. IT JUST MEANS THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT PROCESS. FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGES IS PART OF THIS. WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE FUTURE LAND USE, BUT WE ARE RECOMMENDING SOME CHANGES TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS SO WE CAN ENACT CONSISTENT REGULATIONS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. UM AND ALSO DO SOME CLEANUP. THERE'S ALWAYS AN OPPORTUNITY WHEN YOU DO A CITY INITIATED REZONING AND FUTURE LAND USES TO CLEAN ANYTHING THAT DIDN'T GET PICKED UP ALONG THE WAY. SO WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE, UM, MOST IMPORTANTLY RIGHT HERE. WE'VE GOT, UM SOME PUBLIC USES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING IN. SO THIS IS THE EXISTING RIGHT. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE CHANGING. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE GONNA TRADE WALDEN IS AND SPECTRUM ACADEMY. THEY HAVE A ZONING OF PUBLIC, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT ON THEIR FUTURE LAND USE. SO WE'RE GOING TO CORRECT THAT, UM, ANOTHER IMPORTANT FACTOR RIGHT HERE. WE HAVE HOUSING RIGHT HERE. THAT IS LIVING ON PUBLIC, SO WE'RE GOING TO FIX THAT. UM AND THEN BRINGING IN AND THIS IS THIS IS A BIGGER GESTURE, BUT WE'RE BRINGING IN THESE PROPERTIES HERE AND THESE PROPERTIES HERE INTO THE EAST STEWART FUTURE LAND USE, AND THAT'S PRIMARILY

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SO THAT THOSE PROPERTIES AND THOSE MAIN ENTRANCES ALONG THE WAY. ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE. AND SO THIS EXAMPLE DOWN HERE AS UM, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE LIKE FACING LIGHT ON A STREET? THESE ARE LOVELY HOMES WITH FRONT YARDS, AND THIS IS THE BACK OF COMMERCIAL. IDEALLY YOU WANT TO HAVE THE FRONTS OF BUILDINGS FACING THE FRONT OF BUILDINGS WHEN YOU SPLIT ZONING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET OFTEN LEADS TO THOSE KINDS OF CONDITIONS WHERE YOU HAVE A BACK IN THE FRONT INSTEAD OF TWO FRONTS. IDEALLY YOU HAVE TWO FRONTS FACING EACH OTHER AND THE PROPERTY CHANGES ITS DESIGNATION AT THE REAR, NOT AT THE FRONT.

SO WE'RE THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THOSE, UM THOSE CHANGES. AND SO THIS IS THE RECOMMENDED FUTURE LAND USE MAPS WE HAVE. E. STEWART IS THE BRIGHT. THE NAVY BLUE RECREATION IS OUR GREEN.

THOSE ARE EXISTING RECREATIONS AND THEN THE PUBLIC DESIGNATIONS FOR THE PARKS, THE POLICE STATION AND SCHOOL PROPERTIES. THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING MAP. UM JUST TO RUN THROUGH FOR THE FOR EVERYONE. THIS PINK RIGHT HERE IS CALLED BM YOU. THIS IS THE BUSINESS MIXED USE DISTRICT.

OUR ZONING AND THE G R O, WHICH IS THIS KIND OF LOVELY SEAFOAM GREEN IS GENERAL OFFICE RESIDENTIAL THAT PERMITS, UM MULTI FAMILY, UM UP TO, UH, 15 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE TODAY.

UM AND IT PERMITS OFFICES, SO VERY LIGHT INTENSITY. UH, COMMERCIAL AND THEN THE YELLOW IS SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX. SO ONE OF THE AGAIN IN HERE, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT VERY FEW CHANGES. BUT IF YOU NOTICE ALL ALONG THE PERIPHERY AND ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET WHERE WE WANT TO CORRECT THAT FRONT BACK ISSUE THAT'S GOING TO BE WHERE MOST OF OUR RECOMMENDED CHANGES ARE SO RECREATION WE'RE GONNA PULL IN THESE PARKS TO REZONE THEM IS RECREATION. THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION THERE AGAIN SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A CONSISTENT AND ACCURATE MAP FOR EVERYONE'S, UM. CONSUMPTION THIS IS AGAIN THAT REMINDER ABOUT WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES. ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. UM, THESE RIGHT HERE WE'RE BRINGING INTO THE G R O.

THE GENERAL OFFICE RESIDENTIAL UM SMITH, TURNER PARK. THERE WE GO. MAKING THESE CONSISTENT AGAIN. THESE ARE RIGHT NOW. THESE ARE OUR ONE, BRINGING THEM INTO THE E. STEWART DESIGNATION SO THAT THERE'S A CONSISTENT EAST STEWART TREATMENT ALL ALONG MLK AND CONSISTENT, UM, EAST STEWART DESIGNATION ALL ALONG 10TH STREET, SO THESE PROPERTIES WOULD COME IN AS THE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX EXACTLY THAT TODAY. UM AND THEN WE ALSO AT OUR WORK IN PROGRESS PRESENTATION, UM, BACK IN. JUNE. UM THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING ALONG TARPON HERE, PARTICULARLY SOUTH OF CHURCH. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME ACROSS VERY CLEARLY IS THAT THIS RIGHT HERE NEEDS TO BE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX. ONE UH, THEY WERE GOOD STUDENTS. EVERYONE WHO'S PARTICIPATING IN THAT WORK IN PROGRESS BECAUSE THEY SAY, WELL, WAIT A SECOND OVER HERE. IT'S SINGLE FAMILY DO PACKS. WHY IS IT NOT SINGLE FAMILY DO EFFECTS ON THE OTHER SIDE? YOU JUST SAID FRONTS AND BACKS NEED TO MATCH. SO UM, AND THAT WAS THE INTENTION AND THE USE OF THAT AREA THAT UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE CHANGED SINCE THAT PRESENTATION. UM FURTHER UP ON TARPON. THIS FACES COMMERCIAL, SO WE'RE BRINGING THAT INTO THAT HIGHER INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AND AGAIN. IT'S NOT SO HIGH AND INTENSITY, BUT JUST THE HIGHEST INSIDE THIS AREA. UM SAME THING WITH THIS. THIS LITTLE SMALL PERSONAL HERE. THIS IS FACING THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, WHICH IS LARGE, UM, WHICH IS A LARGER USE, UM MORE INTENSE USE, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT MORE INTENSE USE TO THE NORTH AND THE EASTERN WEST OF THAT AS WELL. SO THIS IS THE OVERALL RECOMMENDED PROPOSED ZONING MAP. AND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KEEPING THAT , UM THIS THOROUGHFARE IS REALLY IMPORTANTT TO LOOK AT THIS AS A CONTINUOUS THOROUGHFARE. THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCES IN AND OUT OF THE STUART INSIDE A FORM BASED CODE OR IN THIS SIDE. THIS UH, CODE UPDATE IS NOT JUST A ZONING MAP, BUT WHAT WE CALL A REGULATING PLAN REGULATING IN PLAN IS UNIQUE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T JUST HAVE THE COLORS THAT ARE SHOWN HERE. THEY SHOW SOME OTHER LITTLE SPECIAL FEATURES INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY INTO WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT PLANNING DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE, AND THAT'S THE SAME THINGS , THEN COMMUNICATED TO ANY POTENTIAL APPLICANTS. SO WANNA FEATURE IS THE CIVIC SITES SO EACH ONE OF THESE STARS HELPS YOU TO INDICATE THAT THERE ARE IMPORTANT CIVIC SITES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. WE ALSO MAPPED OUT THE PONDS THAT ARE EXISTING. UM THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT'S EASY TO LOOK AT A BOUNDARY SURVEY OR ZONING MAP

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AND NOT UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE ARE GETTING PLACES OR WHAT, UM WHAT LIMITATIONS. THERE ARE TWO DEVELOPMENT, WHEREAS THESE ARE ALL VERY IMPORTANT STORMWATER FEATURES THAT NEED TO REMAIN OR BE CONSIDERED IN ANY REDEVELOPMENT. WE ALSO INCLUDE A THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND WE CALL IT A THOROUGHFARE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT STREETS. THERE'S PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS. THERE COULD BE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES, PEDESTRIAN, SHARED YOU SIDEWALKS . UM IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE VEHICULAR CONNECTIONS. AND SO ON THAT MAP, WE POINT OUT A COUPLE OF REALLY IMPORTANT FEATURES, INCLUDING THE HERE. IT'S LABELED AS FUTURE CONNECTION. THAT'S AN ERROR. IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, RENAMED RECOMMENDED CONNECTION AS IT'S CALLED OUT IN THE L. D. R S. BUT EACH ONE OF THESE RED LINES IS A RECOMMENDED CONNECTION IN THE COMMUNITY. THOSE RECOMMENDED CONNECTIONS COME FROM HISTORIC PLANNING DOCUMENTS LIKE THE 2002 CHARETTE . MASTER PLAN THERE, UM, CAME FROM COMMUNITY INPUT. UM BUT PRIMARILY FROM THOSE THOSE HISTORIC PLANNING DOCUMENTS, AND MANY OF THOSE WERE REINFORCED AT OUR VISION UPDATE WE LOOKED FOR, UM, UH, COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ON THOSE AND AGAIN, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE STREETS. THEY CAN BE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS. UM THERE'S FLEXIBILITY IN HOW THEY'RE ACHIEVED, BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE SO THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE EXPECTATION OF THE COMMUNITY. AND I CALL OUT THESE DISTANCES BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THESE ARE SO IMPORTANT. THESE DISTANCES ARE ALMOST A HALF MILE WALKING SHED. A FIVE MINUTE WALKING SHED IS ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE. SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE HOSPITAL UP HERE OR ANY OF THE COMMERCE UP ON, UM ON OCEAN WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE MARTY, STOP. YOU DON'T WANT TO GET ON THIS ONE BECAUSE OF THE ROUTE YOU NEED TO GET ON THIS ONE. YOU'VE EXTENDED YOUR WALKING SHED CONSIDERABLY BY THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO CONNECTIONS ARE VERY FEW CONNECTIONS IN THIS DISTANCE TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH, SO THIS IS REALLY HELPED TO ALLEVIATE THE NEED FOR VEHICULAR TRIPS OUT OF EAST STEWART AND PROMOTE A MUCH SAFER AND ACCOMMODATING. AH PEDESTRIAN AND CYCLING ENVIRONMENT. THIS IS AN ENVIRONMENT THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE BIKING CYCLING GOLF CARTS EVEN HAVE REALLY BEEN IN, UM, EMBRACED, AND WE'VE ALSO GOT SEVERAL SCHOOLS PATHS THAT COME THROUGH HERE. UM SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THOSE CONNECTIONS. THIS IS THE TEXT DESCRIBING THE RECOMMENDED CONNECTIONS. SO JUST TO NOTE IF ANYBODY'S FOLLOWING, ALONG WITH THE DRAFT TRIED TO LIST THE PAGE NUMBERS OF ALL THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE BOTTOM SO THAT THEY CAN BE FOUND. AGAIN THIS DESCRIBES THE FACT THAT THESE ARE POTENTIAL FUTURE STREET NOW THE CONNECTIONS. UM THEY DON'T NEED TO. THEY CAN BE, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE THE EXACT ALIGNMENT, LOCATION AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND DEDICATION OF THOSE WOULD BE DETERMINED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. BUT WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GET THIS OUT THERE TO ANY APPLICANTS IN THE FOREFRONT. UM, RATHER THAN IN THE IT'S A SURPRISE. UM EXISTING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE ABOVE AND THESE ARE THE PROPOSED BELOW . YOU'LL SEE THAT IN YELLOW. THESE ARE THERE INDICATED CHANGE. OR, UM UM, FURTHER DETAILS. SO IF YOU'VE NOTICED, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PREVIOUS STANDARDS DIDN'T CLARIFY BETWEEN ASIDE AT ST VS ASIDE AT A PROPERTY LINES, WE'VE ADDED THAT LINE IN THERE. UM. ZOOM IN WITH A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO READ. THESE INCLUDE NO CHANGES. THIS IS THE EXISTING STANDARD. WE INTRODUCED A BILL TO ZONES SO THIS IS INSTEAD OF A TRADITIONAL SETBACK THAT SAYS YOU NEED TO STEP BACK 20 FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THIS IS A ZONE THAT WE'RE REQUIRING THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO BE BUILT WITHIN. UM WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT ? A BILL TO ZONE HELPS TO ESTABLISH A CONTINUOUS STREET FRONT OR OR REGULAR STREET FRONT NEIGHBORHOOD. UM AND ALLOWS FOR SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY ON THAT BUILDING PLACEMENT. UM, ONE OF THE REALLY IMPORTANT FEATURES THAT CAME OUT OF THE VISION WORKSHOP IS THE ALLOWANCE FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WITHIN EAST STEWART. REALLY FANTASTIC WAY OF ALLOWING FOR MORE UNITS, UM, SMALL UNITS WITHIN THE EXISTING CONTEXT. UM AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THOSE THESE ARE REALLY SMALL SITES, AND RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE A 20 FT SETBACK SO THEY DON'T HAVE ROOM TO PUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN THE REAR, EVEN IF THEIR DESIRED SO WE WANT TO CORRECT FOR THAT IN THE IN THE FUTURE. UM. AND LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE HEIGHT. THIS IS A BIG ONE. OKAY, SO HEIGHT RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE ACTUALLY PERMITTED WITHIN THE B M U AND THE G R O SO IF YOU REMEMBER BM YOU AND J.

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R O IS WHERE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE, UM, MULTI FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, WITHIN THE G R O. UM AND THERE'S A CONDITIONAL USE THAT IF YOU ARE A MIXED USE BUILDING, YOU CAN GO UP TO FOUR STORIES. 45 FT. NOW WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT ACTUALLY BE BROUGHT DOWN TO THREE UM, THE IDEA THAT A MIXED USE BUILDING IS GOING TO COME A FOUR STORY MIXED USE BUILDING INTO EAST STEWART DOES NOT ALIGNED WITH MUCH OF THE COMMUNITY VISION. THERE HASN'T BEEN AN INVESTED INTENT TO DO THAT. UM, SO INSTEAD OF, UM. AND TO ALIGN THE CODE WITH THE COMMUNITY'S PERSPECTIVE AND THE COMMUNITY VISION. WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT IT COMES TO THREE BUT THEN STILL ALLOW FOR THE 40 FT BUILDING HEIGHT BECAUSE THE 40 FT IS REALLY WHAT YOU NEED TO ACHIEVE A HIGH QUALITY THREE STORY BUILDING. 35 FT IS REALLY COMPRESSING THAT UM, BUILDING HEIGHTS. BECAUSE OF H V A. C BECAUSE OF THE SCREENING OF THE EQUIPMENT AT THE TOP, BECAUSE WE ALSO WANT A NICE TALL CEILING AT THE GROUND FLOOR FOR, UM, ADAPTIVE RE USE OF THESE BUILDINGS. YOU REALLY NEED ALL THAT HEIGHT, SO WE STILL WANT THE HEIGHT OF 40 FT. BUT WE'RE SAYING THAT THREE STORIES IS REALLY WHAT'S MORE IN LINE WITH THE COMMUNITY'S VISION, UM AND MORE ACHIEVABLE. AND RESPONSIVE TO WHAT THE MARKET HAS BEEN. UMR HEIGHT ADJUSTMENT, THE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX AGAIN FOR THE SAME LOGIC. UM THEY WERE PERMITTED ONLY 25 FT. 25 FT FOR A TWO STORY BUILDING AGAIN, JUST NOT IN KEEPING WITH MODERN CONSTRUCTION AND MODERN BUILDING PRACTICES, SO WE WANTED TO BUMP THAT UP IN ADDITIONAL FIVE. FT WAS IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS IS THAT PEOPLE DO NOT EXPERIENCE THAT EXTRA FIVE FT. WOULD THEY EXPERIENCE IS THE NUMBER OF STORIES UM YOU KNOW, WE CAN PULL UP SOME SOME TEST STUDIES AND SOME SLIDES AND EXAMPLES OF THAT, BUT PEOPLE DO NOT EXPERIENCE THE FIVE FT OR THE SIX FT DIFFERENCE. WOULD THEY? EXPERIENCE ARE THE STORIES SO WE'RE REFLECTING THAT HERE AND THIS IS UM EXAMPLE OF HOW WE STRESS TESTS. SOME OF THESE, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO THESE ARE THE TYPICAL SIZES WITH ANY STEWART FOR, UM, THE PLANET LOTS AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, HERE'S AN EXISTING CONDITION OF US VERY SIMILAR, HUH? TYPICAL HOME, ANDY STEWART WITH THE 20 FT. STEP BACK, AND WE TRY TO FIT THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN THE BACK. IT'S NOT EASY TO DO. IT'S A LITTLE CRAMPED. UM AND IT'S A VERY SMALL UNIT. UM IF WE ALLOW FOR WHERE ON STREET PARKING, WE CAN THEN PUSH THE BUILDING FORWARD. IT GOES BEYOND UM, THAT , UM 10 FT. SET THAT 20 FT. SETBACK IS MARKED HERE, YOU SEE , AND THEN THIS IS FALLING INTO THAT 10 FT. VERY HERE AT 10 FT. AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE A MUCH MORE SUBSTANTIAL, UM, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WITH A GARAGE IN THE REAR OF POSSIBLE SO THAT YOU CAN REMOVE CARS FROM THOSE STREETS. UM IF AN ALLEY IS BUILT OUT IN MANY OF THE CONDITIONS ALL RIGHT, THEN. THIS IS THE SECOND PART ON PAGE 12 OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. UM NOTING DENSITY RIGHT NOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS OUT FOR 17 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE FOR E. STEWART A UNIQUE NUMBER BECAUSE THEY CAME TO THAT WITH A UNIQUE PROCESS. HISTORICALLY UM , THIS IS A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD WITH PLANTED LOTS OF RECORD. UM AND THOSE PLANTED LOCKETS OF RECORD IF YOU TAKE THEM ON AVERAGE, YOU ACTUALLY END UP WITH A DENSITY OF 17 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, NOT 15 . SO IT'S RECOGNIZING THE SMALLER, MORE COMPACT FABRIC THAT'S THERE TODAY. UM SO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND KEEP THAT CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF THE, UM ZONING DISTRICTS. THERE IS AN EXISTING POLICY FOR CONDITIONAL USE OF UP TO 30 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND SO THAT CARRIES FORWARD. WE ALSO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES 65% THE LANGUAGE PREVIOUSLY WAS A LITTLE AMBIGUOUS. WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR AND THEN, UM, FOR THE UH, BUILDING MIXED USE AREA HAVE INHERITED TO BE DETERMINED, AND THAT IS BECAUSE WE ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH STAFF TO GET STEP WITH WHAT PROGRESS THEY ARE MAKING TOWARDS AND IMPROVED STORMWATER, UH, PLANTS, SO THE NEXT TIME THIS COMES FORWARD WILL BE SURE TO INCLUDE SOME RECOMMENDATION THERE. BUT RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST REALLY GONNA KICK YOU BACK TO WHATEVER WITH THE EXISTING STANDARDS ARE A NEW FEATURE THAT WE'VE ADDED IS CIVIC OPEN SPACE, AND I'LL TOUCH ON THAT ACTUALLY LATER IN THE PROCESS IN THE PRESENTATION AND THEN FRONTAGE TYPES. THIS IS WHERE WE START TO REALLY GET INTO THE MEAT OF THE FORM. THERE

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WERE REQUIREMENTS WITH ANY STEWART TO TALK ABOUT PORCHES AND BALCONIES. UM OR AN END STOOPS AND A LITTLE BIT ON THE ARCADES. BUT IT DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH. SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH.

TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THAT'S EXPANDED UPON IN THIS CODE. UM JUST AS A REMINDER CONDITIONAL USES MARKED WITH THE C U. THAT MEANS IT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING AND THE COMMISSION APPROVAL. UM AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE L. D. R S TODAY. OKAY FRONTAGE TYPES. THIS IS IF FUN STUFF. BECAUSE THERE'S PICTURES. UM THIS. THIS MATRIX RIGHT HERE IS GOING TO KEY YOU INTO WHAT FRONTAGE TYPES. AND WHEN I SAY FRONTAGE TYPES, I'M TALKING ABOUT THESE UP FRONT PORCH STOOP, FORECOURT, BRACKETED BALCONIES, ARCADES AND SHOP FRONTS. AND EVERY BUILDING WITHIN THE STUART WOULD BE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW ONE OF THESE STANDARDS. UM AND THEN THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT DISTRICT IT IS. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DISTRICT SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX DISTRICT. IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A COTTAGE WITH A PORTRAIT STOOP, A DUPLEX WITH THE PORTRAIT STOOP AND SO ON. UM THIS JOB FRONT, FOR EXAMPLE.

THAT'S APPROPRIATE IN THE B M YOU BUT YOU NEED TO BE BUILDING A COURTYARD BUILDING OR LIVE WORK BUILDING. NEITHER WHAT THOSE FRONTAGE TYPES LOOK LIKE SO THEY DON'T MANDATE THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE BUT THEY DO IS REGULATE THE DIMENSIONAL QUALITIES. AND THESE ARE THE QUALITIES OF THE OF THESE FRONTAGE TYPES THAT YOU INTERACT WITH IT PROVIDE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE BUILDING. SO THERE'S A REASON WHY A PORCHES RAISED TWO FT. OFF THE GROUND. IT GIVES YOU SOME OR A HERE 18 INCHES OFF THE GROUND. IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME PRIVACY IS THAT BUILDING MOVES CLOSER TO THE FRONT? UM THE SPACE IN THE FRONT PROVIDES , UM, AN ADEQUATE SPACE FOR GATHERING. IT'S UNUSABLE SPACE. SAME THING WITH THE STOOP. UM AND THESE ARE VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING, UH, FABRIC THAT'S OUT THERE IN THE HISTORIC FABRIC THAT'S OUT THERE. AND EACH ONE OF THESE INCLUDES THE DESCRIPTION THE DIMENSIONAL CRITERIA, UM, AS WELL AS A PHOTOGRAPH AND WHERE IT'S PERMITTED. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SHOP FRONT THE SHOP FRONT IS NOT GOING TO BE APPROPRIATE WHERE YOU'RE IN WHEN YOU'RE IN THE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX AREA, AND THAT SOUNDS PRETTY LOGICAL. BUT UM, THAT'S IF YOU YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO BE TOLD IT'S THERE. YEAH UM, BRACKETED BALCONY COULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THE AREAS THAT ARE ALLOW FOR MORE. UH MULTI FAMILY. SO LIKE THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WITH THAT CAN BE AND AGAIN, IT'S MULTI FAMILY WITHIN THOSE EXISTING DENSITY PROVISIONS. UM UP AT THE TOP HERE FOR EASTER. WE ALSO TIE IN A BUILDING TYPE MATRIX, SO COTTAGE DUPLEX COTTAGE COURT TOWNHOUSE, APARTMENT HOUSE COURTYARD AND LIVE WORK. I THINK THAT MANY OF THOSE ARE SELF EXPLANATORY, BUT WE'LL TOUCH ON SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE UNIQUE. COTTAGES YOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOME, A DUPLEX AND AGAIN A DUPLEX CAN BE MORE THAN, UM, THEY CAN BEGIN DESIGNED SO THAT IT LOOKS AS IF IT'S ONE HOUSE. UM A COTTAGE COURT. THIS IS A COLLECTION OF MULTIPLE SMALL STRUCTURES FACING A PUBLIC GREEN TOWN HOUSES AND APARTMENT HOUSES AND APARTMENTS, SMALL SCALE APARTMENT. COURTYARD BUILDINGS, LIVE WORK BUILDINGS AND AN OUTBUILDING AND OUTBUILDING IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND AGAIN. THESE ARE ILLUSTRATED SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE EXAMPLE OF HOW PARKING CAN BE MANAGED THE REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS DESCRIPTIONS AND NOTES WHAT FRONTAGE TYPES ARE PERMITTED AND WHERE WHAT DISTRICTS ARE PERMITTED IN ONE OF THE REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS THAT CAME ACROSS IN THE EAST DUTERTE AS FAR AS CHANGES FOR USES, ACTUALLY, THAT IN THE B M U, WHICH IS THAT BIG BUSINESS MIXED USE DISTRICT, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WERE NOT PERMITTED USE. AND THERE'S A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND HE'S DUTERTE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE. THAT'S THE LARGEST CHANGE TO THE PERMITTED USES THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE WANT TO ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THROUGHOUT EAST STEWART. UM SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO NOTE. UM AND THEN HERE'S MORE EXAMPLES.

THIS IS THE APARTMENT HOUSE AGAIN. IT'S AN APARTMENT. IT'S MULTI FAMILY, BUT IT'S SMALL AND SCALE AND CAN ACCOMMODATE, UM WITHIN THE YOU KNOW A TYPICAL LOT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM A COTTAGE COURT MAY REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE, BUT IT REQUIRES THAT THERE IS A COMMUNAL GREEN SPACE THAT'S OPEN . UM IT MAY INCLUDE DUPLEXES, UM , AND THEY MAY HAVE SHARED PARKING ARRANGEMENTS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, AND HEAR THIS ILLUSTRATES A PARKING IN THE REAR AND AS WELL AS PARKING ON THE STREET. RIGHT? PAUSE FOR A MOMENT EVERYONE IS STILL AWAKE.

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YEAH WAIT ONE THAT TIME, FRANK. FIRST, LADIES FIRST. JUST CLARIFY YOUR LAST STATEMENT ABOUT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED. TO MAYBE I HEARD THIS WRONG. BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME IN AND BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON SOMETHING THAT WAS OWNED B M U THE BUILDING. UH BUSINESS MIXED USE, SO THAT'S LIKE THE BRIGHT PINK AREA TODAY THEY WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, RIGHT? THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM THAT EXISTS IN THAT DISTRICT RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT ZONING CATEGORY RIGHT NOW AND THEIR THEIR GRANDFATHER. BUT IF ON SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES MANY OF THE VACANT PROPERTIES ARE ACTUALLY WITHIN THAT DISTRICT, AND THAT'S ONE MECHANISM WHERE WE COULD START TO LOOK AT THE INFILL, YOU KNOW, IN A DEMAND FOR INFILL, THERE IS SINGLE FAMILY RIGHT NOW. YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO COMMERCIAL OR MIXED USE ON THOSE PROPERTIES. AND WHEN IT COMES TO YOU KNOW, I LOVE A VERTICALLY INTEGRATED, MIXED USE BUILDING. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT THING TO HAVE IN YOUR CITY. BUT THE MARKET DOESN'T ALWAYS PROVIDE THAT AND YOU NEED A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY AND ESPECIALLY IN EAST STEWART, WHERE IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR. IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD DON'T BE PUSHING. COMMERCIAL HERE. UM YOU KNOW, I WAS LIKE, WELL, I'M NOT PUSHING IT. IT'S THERE. LET ME LET ME BACKTRACK IT A LITTLE BIT, SO WE WANT TO PROVIDE MORE FLEXIBILITY ON THOSE BUILDING TYPES. UM IT COULD STILL BE SOMETHING THAT IF THERE WAS THE DRIVE FOR THAT THAT IT COULD BE BUILT, BUT, UM , WE WANT TO ALLOW FOR THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THOSE PARCELS. I JUST ONE MORE COMMENT . I THINK YOU DID. A GREAT JOB WAS AT THE WORKSHOP, AND I THINK YOU DONE WELL, LISTENING TO SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS EXTRA DWELLINGS IN THE BACK. OH, EXCELLENT. THANK YOU, FRANK. YEAH I HAVE A COUPLE OF JUST SUGGESTIONS. ONE IS THAT JUST AS THIS IS FOR EASY READING. AS YOU READ THROUGH IT. THE THINGS THAT SAY, FIGURE ONE FIGURE TO FIGURE THREE VERY BOLD AND THEN IT'S VERY LIGHT. WHAT THE FIGURE IS UP. AND IT WOULD BE. I MEAN, I THINK IT ALL SHOULD BE BOLD OR ELSE. WHAT IT'S ABOUT, SHOULD BE A LITTLE MORE. BROAD. TO WHERE YOU'RE READING IT. IT'S JUST EASIER READING. IT'S JUST CREATED EASIER READ BY DOING THAT. UM THE OTHER THING IS IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS. IT WOULD BE NICE THAT IN THE PACKAGE THAT'S PRESENTED IN THE APPLICATION. IF IT SHOWED WHERE THERE ARE SOME PLACES WHERE THERE IS MORE THAN POTENTIAL, MORE INTENSIVE USE GOING NEXT TO ANOTHER USE. THERE ARE FEW PLACES NOT A WHOLE LOT. BUT THERE ARE A FEW NICE TO HAVE THEM SHOW WHEN THAT OCCURS. HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BUFFER THE ADJACENT USE. YEAH I MEAN, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, UM I HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT SELECTIVE AND GETTING THE BIGGER PICTURE. UM PIECES IN THEIR BUTTS. THE LOOKING AT THE HEIGHT, FOR EXAMPLE, AND TAKING OUT THAT FOURTH STORY, ONE THAT THAT ALREADY MITIGATES A LOT OF THE CONCERN ABOUT TRANSITIONING FROM , YOU KNOW, A ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO A FOUR STORY BUILDING. UM BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SO ONE OF THE MORE INTENSE USES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND HOW THAT'S HANDLED IS REALLY PARKING LOTS YOU KNOW, AND HOW PARKING HIS HANDLED. SO, UM, WE WILL INCLUDE IN FOLLOW UP PRESENTATIONS MORE ABOUT HOW THAT'S MANAGED IN THE CODE AND HOW THOSE ARE RECOMMENDED. RIGHT NOW, SOME OF THE STANDARDS IT'S INTERESTING. YOU KNOW, YOU GO FROM THE CITY STANDARDS FOR BUFFERING AROUND PARKING LOTS, AND THEY'RE PRETTY ROBUST. BUT THEN THEY REDUCED IN THE URBAN CODE AND IN EAST STEWART, AND THEY REDUCED MAYBE A LITTLE TOO MUCH RIGHT. SO THERE'S SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE THERE THEN WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'RE STRIKING THAT BALANCE WHERE WE CAN REQUIRE MORE BUFFERING AND LANDSCAPING AND THOSE THOSE AREAS SO THERE'S A BETTER TRANSITION. UM THEY'RE REAL SMALL LOTS RIGHT QUICKLY. SOME OF THEM MIGHT OCCUR. VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. AND SO IT JUST WOULD BE NICE THAT THE APPLICANT SAID, AND WE'RE GONNA PLAN ADDITIONAL TREES HERE OR YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WERE THEY SAID WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO IN ORDER TO CREATE THAT BUFFER, RIGHT? LIKE THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. WELL I'M NOT THAT WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE, UM, WE LOOKED AT THAT BUILDING SIZE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF YOU ARE GOING BEFORE, UM, IF YOU'RE OF A CERTAIN SCALE, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING LIKE THAT $50,000 1000 DOLLARS 50,000 SQUARE FOOT NUMBERS IS HUGE. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT BROUGHT INTO STAFF'S ATTENTION AND THERE WAS MORE OF A DIALOGUE WHEN THOSE KINDS OF, UM PROJECTS OR IF THOSE PROJECTS COME ALONG. AND.

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ONE LAST THING ON THAT, AND THAT IS THAT FOR THIS. THE C USE. IT SAYS GREATER SETBACKS MAY BE REQUIRED. YOU SAY GREATER SETBACKS AND LANDSCAPING. THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT, NOT JUST SETBACKS, BUT MAYBE THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO BEEF UP THEIR LANDSCAPING AND STUFF ON THERE, AND IF IT'S WRITTEN IN THERE, THEN THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND THATN EAST. THANK YOU GOTTA A LOT OF LIKE GENERAL COMMENTS THAT KIND OF APPLY TO THE PROCESS FOR BOTH EAST STEWART AND THE CREEK, SO I'M PROBABLY GOING TO HOLD THOSE UNTIL AFTER BECAUSE THEY KIND OF ENCOMPASSED BOTH. UM DWELLING UNITS IN THE BACK. ARE THEY ONE STORY OR TWO? STORY ILLUSTRATED BOTH. UM WE ARE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THEY COULD HAVE A TWO STORY IF THERE'S A GARAGE BELOW. BUT THEY ARE LIMITED ON THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE. THEY'RE LIMITED TO 900 SQUARE FEET FOOTPRINT. UM WHICH WOULD ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, TWO CAR GARAGE AND A UNIT ABOVE TWO STORIES COULD BE TALLER THAN THE EXISTING HOMES THAT ARE THERE NOW, SO THAT THAT LIKE I SAID, WE TRY. WE STRESS TEST THEM. SO WE TRY TO DRAW THE YOU KNOW THE BIGGEST CASE SCENARIO. SO HERE'S THAT THAT'S THAT EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAVE AN EXISTING OR OR SMALL COTTAGE, AND THEN THERE'S A TALLER STRUCTURE. THIS IS MAXING OUT THE HEIGHT. UM AND AGAIN, IT WOULD ONLY BE PERMITTED IN THE REAR. YOU CAN'T BUILD THIS IN THE FRONT. UM, IT CAN BE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. UM IF IT'S ATTACHED IS CONSIDERED PART OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, SO IT WOULD FOLLOW THE PRIMARY STRUCTURES. UM HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS. UM BUT IF IT'S DETACHED, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THE REAR. BUT THERE'S NO ALLEYWAYS THAT ARE BUILT IN THAT AREA. SO IF YOU I GUESS MY CONCERN IS HAVING A TWO STORY WHEN THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAVE GARAGES BECAUSE THERE'S NOT AN ALLEY TO PARK BACK. THERE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALI IMPROVEMENTS. UM SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, CAN BE CONSIDERED BY AN APPLICANT. UM AND THAT'S RECOGNIZED IN THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS. UM IF THERE IS NO ALLEY. YOU CAN ALSO DO A CONDITION. UM, LET'S SEE IF IT'S IN THE. YOU CAN IMAGINE THIS IS THE COTTAGE COURT. BUT LET'S IMAGINE THIS COTTAGE COURT IS TWO STORIES RIGHT? YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY CONTAINED WITHIN THE SITE THAT THEN CAN PARK INTO ONE OF THOSE ENCLOSED BUILDINGS, TOO. SO IT DEPENDS ON THE SCALE OF YOUR SITE. ANYTHING ELSE? BOOM BOOM! COOL, ALRIGHT GOING ON TO THE CREEK. SAME SAME, UH, NOMENCLATURE HERE. OKAY SO NO ADDITIONAL HEIGHTENED STORIES.

UM AND WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY ADDITIONAL HEIGHT THAN WHAT'S ALREADY UM, UH, PROVIDED FOR WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AH THIS SAME FIGURE REAPPEARS HERE AGAIN. EVERYTHING I SAID ABOUT THE EAST STEWART PROCESS AND WHAT BOARDS ARE REQUIRED, UM , APPLIES WITHIN THE CREEK.

THESE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR THE CREEK FOR WHAT DEFINES A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. WE MAINTAINED THE EXISTING 35 DWELLING UNITS PER DWELLING UNITS. UM BUT WE LOOK DID LOWER THE RECOMMEND LOWERING THE NON RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT SQUARE FOOTAGE.

AND AGAIN. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT YOU CAN'T EXCEED THOSE NUMBERS. IT JUST MEANS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS. WHERE YOU, UM YOU THERE'S MORE SCRUTINY INTO THE PROJECT BY BOARD APPROVAL. AND OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY. UM AGAIN. WE GOT THE DRIVE THESE NUMBERS FROM TAKING, UM, LOOKS AT WHAT THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT IS TODAY. AND UM, GAUGING WHAT WOULD BE EXCEEDING THAT BY SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT, SO AGAIN. THOSE ARE THE EXISTING NUMBERS. UM TO RUN YOU IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. OKAY, SO THIS IS THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAPS AND AGAIN JUST TO REMIND FOLKS THE FUTURE LAND USES THE BIG UMBRELLA. THE BIG VISION FOR WHAT AN AREA IS AND HOW IT'S DEFINED. THE CREEK DISTRICT IS DEFINED FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW ALONG COLORADO.

THIS IS US ONE. UH THIS IS FLORIDA STREET, AND THIS IS DIXIE AND THE FCC RAILWAY. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH, AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE DISTRICT IS ALREADY ZONE.

I'M SORRY, DESIGNATED AS DOWNTOWN AND THEN HAVE A LITTLE PATCH OF RECREATION. THIS IS KOKONAS PARK. AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE. WANT TO CAPTURE THAT LITTLE PIECE UP TO THE TOP. THAT'S UH, JOHANNA'S RIGHT. MAKE IT ALL RECREATION AGAIN, JUST TO CLEAN UP ANYTHING SO THAT IT'S CONSISTENT. UM AND THEN OVER HERE, THIS DESIGNATION WE WANT TO BRING THIS INTO

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DOWNTOWN AND THAT AGAIN IS SO THAT WE CAN CREATE A CONSISTENT DESIGNATION FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE CREEK DISTRICT AND IMPLEMENT THE VISION THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM, UH, THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S THE PROPOSED ON ITS WHOLE. THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING MAP. SO THIS IS B TWO.

PRIMARILY OVER HERE. UM AND THEN WE'VE GOT URBAN CENTER AND A LITTLE BIT OF URBAN GENERAL RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE DESIGNATION THAT'S FOUND THROUGH MUCH OF DOWNTOWN. AND THIS IS THE DESIGNATION THAT YOU SEE MO THROUGH MUCH OF US ONE IN STUART. THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDED ZONING AND SEE. YES, I DID GO. OKAY, SO AGAIN. OKAY? SO. I THOUGHT THERE WAS ANOTHER SLIDE IN THERE. THAT'S OK. OKAY SO PUBLIC. THIS IS AGAIN. WE'RE MAKING THAT CONSISTENT. THAT'S PRETTY SELF EXPLANATORY. THIS ONE OVER HERE IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THIS RIGHT NOW. WE WOULD LIKE TO REZONE THIS RECOMMEND REZONING THIS TO URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD. THE REASON FOR THAT. IS THAT FRONT BACK ISSUE THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IN EAST STEWART. SO THIS RIGHT HERE, I'M GONNA GO BACK. SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE THE AREA A LITTLE BIT. THIS RIGHT HERE IS CAMDEN AVENUE. AND THIS IS A LOVELY NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED PAT. YOU KNOW, REFERRED TO AS POTSDAM OFTEN. AND RIGHT NOW IT'S HAPPENING IS THESE HOUSES AND BUSINESSES HAVE THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATION. AND THESE GUYS RIGHT HERE HAVE THE URBAN CENTER DESIGNATION, URBAN CENTER AND URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD OR , UM, CONSISTENT WITH EACH OTHER AS FAR AS USES. BUT THE URBAN CENTER DESIGNATION HAS MORE REQUIREMENTS FOR ITS BUILT FORM, ONE OF WHICH, BEING THAT IT REQUIRES A TWO STORY BUILDING. UM, THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THROUGH MUCH OF OUR OUTREACH THROUGH THE U. S ONE, UH, FEDERAL MASTER PLAN THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE FOR THESE LANDOWNERS. THEY WANT THE FLEXIBILITY TO BUILD ONE STORY STRUCTURES. UM SO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND REFLECT THAT WE ALSO DIDN'T WE WANT TO CORRECT THAT FRONT BACK ISSUES SO THAT LIKE IS FACING LIKE AND THEN AGAIN OVER HERE WE WANT TO KEEP LIKE FACING LIKE, UM SO THAT WE HAVE A CONSISTENT STREET FRONTAGE AND A CONDITIONS. UM SO THAT'S THAT PIECE. THEN YOU'LL NOTICE I'M SKIPPING OVER IS FROM US. BUT THERE'S BLUE RIGHT HERE, WHICH WE'RE IDENTIFYING AS THE CREEK NORTH. THE GREEN IS THE CREEK SOUTH, AND WE'RE CALLING OUT RED IS CREEK INDUSTRIAL WHICH CREEK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YOU MIGHT BE WONDERING.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FRASURE CREEK, WHICH THE CREEK DISTRICT IS NAMED FOR. IT RUNS THROUGH THIS. SO WE'RE CALLING UPON THAT GEOGRAPHIC DIVIDING LINE FOR OUR DESIGNATIONS, AND IT ALSO TIES INTO SOME EXISTING STANDARDS ALREADY OUT THERE TODAY. AGAIN WITH THE REGULATING PLAN. THIS HAS A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION THAN WHAT A TYPICAL ZONING MAP WOULD HAVE CALL OUT OUR CIVIC SITES. WE HAVE KOTOINAZUMA. THERE'S A BRUNER POND PARK HERE AND THEN JUST OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT. WE WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CAMDEN'S, UM, POCKET PARK THERE AT THE END OF CAMDEN. REQUIRED COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE IS A TOOL THAT'S USED OFTEN FORM BASED CODES. IT'S A TOOL, THOUGH, THAT, UM WE'VE BECOME MUCH MORE CAUTIOUS ABOUT IT AGAIN. WE WANT TO BE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT THE MARKET CAN DELIVER AND NOT CREATE STANDARDS THAT DON'T REFLECT WHAT THE MARKET CAN DELIVER. SO WHAT ARE REQUIRED COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE MEANS IS THAT YOU REQUIRED TO, UM, PROVIDE UP TO 20 FT. OF THAT FIRST FLOOR TO A COMMERCIAL USE ITS ACTIVE. UM AND RIGHT NOW, WE WERE LOOKING AT JUST THIS AREA TO THE NORTH OF MLK. THE BUSINESSES AND THE USES ALONG THERE ALREADY MEET THIS STANDARD. UM SO WE THINK IT'S ACHIEVABLE TO KEEP THAT CONSISTENT AND DEMAND THAT GOING FORWARD. WE DID ALLOW FOR THE FACT THAT A CIVIC OPEN SPACE COULD BE ACHIEVED IN LIEU OF REQUIRED COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE. SO IF YOU CAN'T YOU KNOW THE BUSINESS COMES IN. THAT DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS. OR IF IT'S GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL SOLELY THAT'S, UM, CAN BE ACHIEVED BY PROVIDING THAT 20 FT IN A CIVIC OPEN SPACE. AND AGAIN, IT'S VERY LIMITED INTO ITS ITS AREA WHERE WE'RE REQUIRING THAT RECOMMENDING IT'S REQUIRED THE SHORELINE PROTECTION ZONE. WE WENT AHEAD AND SHOW THE GANG THE WATER ON THIS MAP SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THE WATER IS, UM, AND A DELINEATION OF THE FACT THAT THERE IS A SHORELINE PROTECTION . UM UP TO THAT FRASURE CREEK, SO WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT AS DEVELOPERS AND APPLICANTS AND NEIGHBORS. WE MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO THIS IS AN

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EXISTING STANDARD. IT'S ONLY 10 FT. FROM UM UH, WHERE THE LINE IS DEFINED FROM THE HIGH MEDIA HIGH. MEAN WATERLINE AND, UM. THE MAIN CHANGE THAT WE RECOMMENDING, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO WORK WITH. UM THE FOLKS, UM, WHO ARE WORKING WITH, UM FOR LOW IMPACT INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEVELOPMENT TO CREATE CRAFT THE BEST, UM, POLICIES HERE, BUT WE WANTED TO PROMOTE THE LIVING SHORELINES AND RAIN GARDENS, AS OPPOSED TO UM, STABILIZED, PARKING AND SEAWALLS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE PERMITTED . UM FRONTAGE IS WITHIN THAT, UM , SHORELINE PROTECTION SOUND. SO THAT IS A CHANGE THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A THOROUGHFARE PLAN, JUST LIKE THE ANDY STEWART. WHAT'S UM , YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE IS A DESIGNATION CALLED A AND B STREETS, WHICH ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE CREEK DISTRICT.

SO A STREETS OR THE RED, UM, B IS THE ORANGE AGAIN. YOU CAN CALL THESE PRIMARY OR SECONDARY STREETS SOMETIMES WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT THE A STREET HAS A HIGHER STANDARD THAN THE THAN THE B STREET FOR HOW IT'S GOING TO BE ORGANIZED. UM SO IT THIS IS REFERENCED IN THE CODE, ONE OF THE KIND OF REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE TIED INTO THIS IS THE PROHIBITION OF, UM, GARAGE ENTRANCES ON AN A STREET THEY WOULD NEED TO FALL ON A B STREET. SO AGAIN, WE HAVE THAT THE HIGHEST QUALITY, UM, PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT ON THESE STREETS. OF COURSE, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE DUMPSTERS AND YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE GARAGE ENTRANCES OR PARKING LOT ENTRANCES. THEY HAVE TO HAPPEN SOMEWHERE. SO THAT'S WHERE THE B STREETS COME IN, AND WE STILL WANT TO MAINTAIN A HIGH STANDARD THERE, BUT THEY GOTTA LIVE SOMEWHERE. WE DO PRODUCE GARBAGE. UM FUTURE CONNECTIONS ARE ALSO CALLED OUT IN A DASH LINES HERE. AND AGAIN, THOSE CAN BE, UM THERE'S A RECOMMENDED CONNECTIONS, AND THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF POTENTIAL THOROUGHFARES THAT CAN COME INTO THAT. THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS INCLUDE ALLEYS. THEY INCLUDE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES. THEY INCLUDE PEDESTRIAN WALKS SO THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE VEHICULAR ACCESS. BUT IT'S THERE TO KEEP THE MEMORY OF THOSE PLANNING RECOMMENDATIONS ALIVE AS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS. AND THEN THIS IS KIND OF THIS SLIDE IS OUT OF PLACE. BUT I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE ANYWAY. SO THIS IS JUST RECOGNIZING HOW IMPORTANT FRONTAGE IS OUR FOR THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT FOR COMMERCIAL ENVIRONMENTS FOR WALK ABILITY AND HOW WE ACHIEVED THAT SO WELL AND OLD DOWNTOWN, AND THERE'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO ACHIEVE THAT IN THE CREEK DISTRICT. UM THAT LINE AND THAT LINE ARE THE SAME LENGTH, BUT YET THEY DON'T FEEL THE SAME DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE TREES AND BIKE LANES AND NICE SIDEWALKS. WHAT'S MISSING IS THAT FRONTAGE TYPE THAT BUILDING UP TO THE STREET, WHICH FRAMES THE PUBLIC SPACE. DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. OKAY SO THERE'S A LOT OF GOODIES BUILT INTO HERE AGAIN , TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT AS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS IS PREDICTABLE AND EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE. WE GET THE CITY CONSISTENT HIGH QUALITY, UM, URBAN FABRIC AND A HIGH QUALITY WALKING ENVIRONMENT AND HIGH QUALITY PROJECTS. SO UM, AND HAPPY DEVELOPERS WHO CAN, YOU KNOW GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH ANSWERS, RIGHT? SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN HERE SPECIFIC BILL TO ZONE FOR THE U. S. ONE FEDERAL HIGHWAY RIGHT NOW THERE IS A 20 FT SETBACK ON FEDERAL HIGHWAY RECOMMENDING THAT IT'S A BUILD TWO ZONES SO THAT IT'S 20 TO 40 FT SO THAT THOSE BUILDINGS COME CLOSER. UM THIS COMES OUT OF, UM, A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE DID WHEN WE CONDUCTED THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY MASTER PLAN. WITH HOW MUCH PEOPLE DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE BUSINESSES ARE ON US ONE BECAUSE THEIR BUILDINGS ARE SO FAR BACK. AND DESPITE THE SIGNAGE AND REFURBISHMENT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR FOLKS TO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT'S IN THE HAPPENING IN THOSE BUILDINGS, SO ONE ENCOURAGES BUILDINGS TO COME UP CLOSER WHEN AND IF REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENS. UM WE'VE ALSO ADDED IN THAT SHORELINE PROTECTION ZONES, SO EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF IT. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE INCLUDED MINIMUM SIDEWALK WITH FOR COLORADO AND ALL OTHER RIGHTS OF WAY. UM WITHIN THOSE DISTRICTS, MANY OF THE SIDEWALKS HAVE BEEN IMPROVED TO AT LEAST EIGHT FT. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S ALWAYS MAINTAINED AND THERE'S A FEW INSTANCES UM, WHERE WE WANT TO DO MORE THAN THAT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, ON COLORADO ATTEMPT FOOT SIDEWALK HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED. THROUGH THE BIKE BIKE PEDAL, UH, STUDY THAT WAS DONE BACK IN 2019. I THINK, UM AND THEN THEY CREAK INDUSTRIAL THAT'S LIGHTENED UP A LITTLE BIT TO SHOW ON THE SIX FT

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SIDEWALKS TO COME INTO THAT AREA. AGAIN TALKING ABOUT HEIGHT . THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. UM THE FOUR STORIES 45 FT OR MAINTAINED FOR THE CREEK INDUSTRIAL. THAT'S WHAT'S PERMITTED TODAY, UM FOR THE CREEK SOUTH. UM, THAT'S AWESOME, MAINTAINED. AND THEN FOR THE CREEK NORTH. AND SO IF YOU RECALL CREEK NORTH IS NORTH OF THE CREEK. YOU GUYS REMEMBER WHERE THAT IS? JUST UP HERE. RIGHT, UM WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT ACTUALLY BE REDUCED TO A FOUR STORY HEIGHT WITH 40 FT 33 STORIES ONLY WITH 40 FT. AGAIN. THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE SMALLER PLANTED LOTS OF RECORD. UM WE HAVE MORE HISTORIC STRUCTURES. UM IT'S WE'VE STRESS TEST MEETING THE EXISTING STANDARDS FOR CURB CUTS THAT ARE IN THE CODE TODAY. AND IT'S JUST NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO PARK AND TO ACHIEVE THAT FOUR STORY HEIGHT TODAY SO AGAIN TO PROMOTE BETTER PREDICTABILITY FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT BECOME A THREE STORY DISTRICT BUT MAINTAIN, UM A 40 FT HEIGHT, MINIMUM 40 FT OR NOT MINIMUM BUT UP TO 40 FT. IN HEIGHT. UM, WE ALSO RECOMMENDING A GROUND STORY HEIGHT OF 12 FT FOR THE STRUCTURES. 12 GROUND STORY HEIGHT. I DON'T HAVE THE DRAWING IN HERE. BUT THAT'S HOW HIGH THE STRUCTURE THE STRUCTURE IS, FROM YOUR FINISHED FLOOR TO YOUR STRUCTURE ABOVE. 12 FT IS HONESTLY QUITE, UM CONSERVATIVE . MOST COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES ARE COMING IN AT ABOUT 14 FT. FOR THAT HEIGHT. UM BUT IF YOU RE REQUIRING THE 12 FT ALLOWS FOR ADAPTIVE FOR USE OF THE BUILDING OVER TIME. WE WANT TO GET THE BUILDINGS, RIGHT? WE WANT TO GET THE FORM OF THE BUILDING RIGHT SO THAT IT HAS A LONG LIFE AND CAN GO FORWARD WITH ADAPTIVE REUSE, WHETHER IT'S A RESTAURANT ONE DAY OR AN OFFICE OR POTENTIALLY EVEN MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, SWITCHES TO RESIDENTIAL USES. IT HAS THAT CEILING HEIGHT TO ALLOW FOR THE FLEX. STABILITY AT THE GROUND FLOOR. SO THIS IS A TOOL THAT WE'RE UTILIZING IN THE CREEK. UM AGAIN, UH, GROSS DENSITIES REMAIN THE SAME. THE DIFFERENCE IN THE CREEK AND THE REASON WHY THIS IS HIGHLIGHTED. IS THAT THE CREEK RIGHT NOW, UM , BEING B TWO AND COMMERCIAL COULD ONLY HAVE RESIDENTIAL THROUGH. UM A P U D PROCESS SO THIS IS NOT INCREASING THE HEIGHT, BUT IT DOES CHANGE THE PROCESS AND HOW THAT WOULD OCCUR. UM AND THEN AGAIN, THE CIVIC OPEN SPACES AND I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE NOW. SO THIS IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT POTENTIAL CIVIC OPEN SPACES ARE. UM AND SOME GUIDELINES ON WHAT DEFINES A CIVIC OPEN SPACE. SOME OF THEM ARE PRETTY SELF EXPLANATORY. LIKE A PLAYGROUND. UM A GREEN OR PLAZA IS A CORNER OR, UM, A SECTION OF THE AREA. THAT'S UM PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE WITH HARD SPACE, UM IN A PLAZA OR PRIMARILY GREEN SPACE AND A GREEN. THE ATTACHED GREEN TAKES UP THE ENTIRE BLOCK FRONTAGE, AND THEN WE ALSO CALL UPON THE WATERFRONT PROMENADE AS IT OPPORTUNITY IN, UM ALONG THE CREEK TO UTILIZE THAT UM, FOR COURTS AND SMALL BUILDINGS ARE ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY, AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR FRONTAGE TYPES. TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT THAT IS, IS A IS AND HOW MUCH SPACE 5% OR 7% IS. THIS IS, UM IF THERE'S BLUE OUTLINE WERE TO REDEVELOP AS A WHOLE NEW PROJECT, UM, THE CIVIC OPEN SPACE 5% OF THAT WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO THIS GREEN SPACE HERE. UM AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS, UM AT IN THE CREEK INDUSTRIAL.

YOU'RE KICKED INTO THAT STANDARD AT ONE ACRE. ONE ACRE AND IT'S A 5. AND THAT WOULD HAVE A YOU KNOW IT HAS A BIG IT'S NOT A LOT OF PROPERTY, BUT IT'S A BIG IMPACT AND HELPING TO DEFINE A LOT OF THE CODE WILL TALK ABOUT OPEN SPACE. BUT TYPICALLY, WHAT HAPPENS IS OPEN SPACE WHEN DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, CAN BE CONSIDERED THE LEFTOVER SPACE. YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED IN ARCHITECTURE FIRMS WHERE YOU YOU DO YOUR BUILDING DESIGN AND YOU DO YOUR PARKING LOT AND YOU ADD UP ALL THOSE NUMBERS AND THEN YOU SAY, OKAY, WHAT'S THE DELTA? ALRIGHT, THAT'S MY OPEN SPACE, YOU KNOW. THAT THAT DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T PROVIDE THE QUALITY OPEN SPACE THAT WE'RE ALL EXPECTING.

WHEN WE SAY PROVIDE OPEN SPACE. SO THIS IS A CIVIC OPEN SPACE IS A WAY OF DEFINING THAT SO THAT WE REALLY GET THAT HIGH QUALITY. PUBLIC OPEN SPACE GREEN SPACE SPACE WITH TREES, UM, INCORPORATED INTO THESE PROJECTS THAT IS ACCESSIBLE, NOT JUST THE ENTRANCE TO A BUILDING OR WHAT'S LEFT OVER AND THE REAR. WE WANT IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY AND THE PROPERTY GET TO DO ENJOY. IT ADDS VALUE. UM THIS IS A ONE ACRE THIS IS ACTUALLY THAT TEXT IS WRONG. I

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APOLOGIZE TO IGNORE IT. UM THIS IS A 1.5 ACRE FOOT. UM SITE AND THAT GREEN OUTLINE INDICATES 7% OF THE SITE FOR CIVIC OPEN SPACE . AND THEN THAT COULD, UM AGAIN IT CAN TIE INTO YOUR, UM IF IT'S GREEN, AND IT'S PERVIOUS. IT CAN TIE INTO THOSE PERVIOUS STANDARDS AS WELL, SO YOU CAN USE IT FOR UTILIZE IT FOR BOTH OF THOSE STANDARDS. FRONTAGE TYPES AGAIN. THEY'RE ILLUSTRATED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE THE CREEK IS A DIFFERENT CONTEXT. IT'S MORE URBAN, SO YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE ARCADE IS PERMITTED IN MORE PLACES. THE SHOP FRONT IS OUR KIDS, YOU KNOW, PERMITTED AND MORE AREAS AND AGAIN. WE WENT THROUGH THIS. WE ALSO ADDED A NEW FRONTAGE TYPE. IT'S CALLED, UH, THE GARAGE SHOP FRONT. THIS IS ILLUSTRATED HERE. WHERE REQUIRES , UM AND THIS ALLOWS FOR THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UM, TO MAINTAIN IN THAT BUSINESS DISTRICT WHERE GLASS OVERHEAD DOORS AND STOREFRONTS CAN BE INCORPORATED SO THAT IT IS STILL A HIGH QUALITY ENVIRONMENT WITH ALLOWS FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE AND A MIX OF USES. UM, IN THAT DISTRICT. UM EXISTING PARKING STANDARDS. UM IT'S A LOT TO READ THEIR. UM BUT ONE OF THE FINDINGS FROM ALL OF OUR INTERVIEWS AND PROCESS THAT WE LET NOTICE THAT THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT PARKING STANDARDS FOR SO MANY DIFFERENT USES. IT CREATES A REAL CHALLENGE FOR ADAPTIVE RE USE OF BUILDINGS WHEN THERE'S A CHANGE OF USE. UM AND OFTEN THEY WERE TOO OFTEN CONNECTED TO EMPLOYEES AND THE NUMBER OF SEATS AND THOSE ARE NOT GREAT STANDARDS FOR PARKING BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU SUBMIT YOUR PLANS FOR X NUMBER OF SEATS AND THEN THE RESTAURANT HAS A DIFFERENT NUMBER OF SEATS. UM USE, YOU KNOW YOU SUBMIT YOUR PLANS AND YOU HAVE X NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, BUT THEN GUESS WHAT, YOU NEED MORE OR YOU NEED LESS, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S BETTER STANDARD TO JUST LOOK AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. UM REALLY IMPORTANT CASE STUDY FOR THIS, WE FOUND WAS THE ROASTED RECORD . FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS A 1200 SQUARE FOOT SITE. I MEAN RESTAURANT. AND TO THE CODE. TODAY THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE 12 PARKING SPACES. SO THAT'S ALMOST 2000 SQUARE FEET OF PARKING, WHICH, AS YOU CAN SEE IF YOU LAY THAT OUT WITH THE CIRCULATION REQUIRED, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE NO BUILDING LEFT. SO AGAIN, UM, NOT REALLY PROMOTING, UM, THE KEEPING OF OUR HISTORIC FABRIC. SO WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND CHANGE THAT COMMERCIALS THAT STANDARD TO, UM INCLUDE ONE COMMERCIAL STANDARD OF ONE PER 300 SQUARE FEET FOR PARKING. UM WE'VE ALSO TOOK A LOOK AT THE RESIDENTIAL USES TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE PARK. ONCE ENVIRONMENT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN AND OUR ABILITY TO HAVE MICRO TRANSIT AND WALKING AND BIKING ONE CAR OF REQUIRED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE IS WHAT I RECOMMENDATION IS AND AGAIN IF IT DEVELOPER WANTS TO BUILD MORE THAN THAT, THEY CAN. UM IF THEY FEEL THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE MARKET NEEDS TO DELIVER. THEY CAN UM, SAME THING WITH THE WITH THE HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS. UM THIS IS MUCH MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT MORE. UM, PARKING STUDIES FOR HOTELS HAVE, UM, HAVE SHOWN TO BE THE CASE. AND THIS IS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHY THESE ARE ALSO ORDER. YOU KNOW, THERE IT IS. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED STANDARD AND YOU SEE HOW THE PROPOSED STANDARD LIONS MUCH MORE CONSISTENTLY WITH WHAT HAS ACTUALLY WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED BY THE BOARD, UM, SOME YEARS AGO, AND WE NOW HAVE AN ACTIVE BUSINESS ON ON COLORADO, WHICH I THINK MAKES COLORADO A BETTER ENVIRONMENT CONCERNED. WE APPROVE THAT PARKING AND EVERYBODY'S LOT. FOUR LANES TO TWO LANES. THAT WOULD CAMPBELL RICH? SURE YEAH. UM AND THEN, UH , I WANTED TO JUST CALL ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT BOTH OF THESE DISTRICTS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING THIS CODE FOR, UM ARE IN THE FRASER CREEK BASIN, THE CREEK DISTRICT, ANDY STEWART. SO WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY, UM AND STAFF AND THEIR CONSULTANTS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR STORMWATER. UM I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THEY ARE LOOKING TO THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS WITHIN DOING A CITYWIDE LOOK AT THE STORMWATER STANDARDS. SO WE'RE GOING TO HOLD BACK AND REALLY LEAN UPON THE STAFF AT THAT JUNCTURE TO TIE INTO WHAT THE NEW AND IMPROVED COMPREHENSIVE LOOK IS, BUT THAT SAID, WE WANT TO ALSO TIE IN AS MUCH OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE GREENBACK AS DR SOTO SAID IN THE PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION, UM ON THE EIGHTH AS MUCH AS

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POSSIBLE. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UM IN THESE STANDARDS TO UPDATE OUR STORM WATER AND IMPROVE IT ARE THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS, THE CIVIC OPEN SPACE THE PARKING LOT STANDARDS IN THE LATTER LANDSCAPE STANDARDS, IMPROVING THOSE AND UPDATING THOSE STANDARDS SO THAT THEY REFLECT LOW IMPACT INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEVELOPMENT. UM AND THAT THOSE THOSE PIECES OF, UM UM PIECES OF THE PUZZLE, GET BETTER, BRINGING OUR GREEN BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, IMPROVING OUR WATER QUALITY. UM AND SO THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHERE THAT'S HAPPENING. WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO DR SOTO, WHO DID THAT PRESENTATION FOR? THE COMMISSION WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH HER ABOUT GETTING A CODE AUDIT ON WHAT WE'RE PREPARING. AND IF THERE'S CHANGES TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN SUBMITTING SO FAR, WE'LL BRING THAT TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION. ON THAT POINT COUNTY HAS HAS THAT. STORM WATER. PRESENTATION THAT THEY DID THAT HAS A LOT OF GOOD STUFF LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF HE I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF IT BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU ALL WORK PROBABLY INVOLVED IN DOING WE? WE? WELL, I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE THIS WE WERE ENGAGED IN THE CODE UPDATE FOR THE IRA'S IN MARTIN COUNTY AS WELL, UM, AND WE MADE REFERENCE TO THEIR STORM WATER. UM UM, TOOLKIT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. WELL IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT THEY HIRED A FIRM OUT OF TAMPA BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO A THE WHOLE WHAT YOU WOULD CALL IT A ENTERPRISE ZONE, YOU KNOW, FOR STORM WATER, BUT I DON'T. THAT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE. THAT WASN'T WASN'T THAT AT ALL. BUT THIS WAS THIS WAS ACTUALLY OF PDF THAT THEY HAVE WHICH HAS MANY OF THOSE SAME THINGS, AND IT MIGHT BE THE TOOLKIT. YES, I BELIEVE THAT IS THE TOOLKIT AND I AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE ELEMENTS IN MOTION TO CREATE SOMETHING SIMILAR. AND SO THAT'S A SO IN, UM, IN THE INTEREST OF NOT BEING DUPLICATIVE WE WANT TO AND HAVE CONFLICTING STANDARDS WE WANT TO. WE'RE GOING TO LEAN UPON THOSE, BUT WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE STAFF, RIGHT? EXACTLY.

SORRY. YOU SHOULD GO FIRST THIS TIME. I SHOULD GO FIRST. IT'S TIME FOR COMMENT. OKAY UM, I GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR MIKE. CAL. UM BRIEF. SO. I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE NOT NEITHER AREN'T AWARE OF THIS OR WHATEVER. BUT THIS IS A NEW ZONING BEING APPLIED TO PROPERTIES. SO IF I'M PROPERTY OWNER A B C OR D AND I MISSED MY POSTCARD DIDN'T MEAN DIDN'T GO TO THE MEETING AND I WAKE UP IN FIVE YEARS. TRY TO SELL MY PROPERTY AND THE CODE IS NOT WHAT I BOUGHT IT UNDER ITS A IT. 1994 THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE ADOPTED BERT HARRIS AND HARRIS WERE THE TWO LEGISLATORS THAT OPPOSED THE BIRD HARRIS ACT, WHICH IS A CLAIM THAT IF YOU HAVE THE GOVERNMENT TAKES AWAY YOUR VALUE THAT YOU HAVE A BERT HARRIS CLAIM, HOWEVER. THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO TAKE AWAY THE VALUE OF YOUR PROPERTY OR SUBSTANTIALLY REMOVE YOUR ABILITY TO DEVELOP ON YOUR PROPERTY. IF IT'S AN ISOLATED SPOT ZONING, YOU HAVE A MUCH BETTER CLAIM. WHEN IT'S A BROAD CLAIM LIKE THIS. THE COURTS HAVE SAID THAT IF THEY HAVE PROVIDED A SUBSTANTIAL USE FOR THE PROPERTY, AND THERE IS STILL MEANINGFUL VALUE, ETCETERA, ETCETERA THAT IT CANNOT AMOUNT TO A BIRD HARRIS CLAIM, HOWEVER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE END PRODUCT IS YET SO I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT A BIRD HERE. I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THREE STORIES VERSUS STOKE FOUR STORIES, AND IN, FOR EXAMPLE, I HAD JUST BOUGHT THE TAILOR PROPERTY. AND I WAS PLANNING ON COMING IN WITH A FOUR STORY APARTMENT BUILDING IN THE CITY CHANGED A LOT OF THREE STORIES, AND I WAS HOLDING A BAG FOR STRAIGHT ZONING. I PROBABLY WOULD MAKE THAT CLAIM. HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT BARS IT. IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL USE, AND IT'S A TEST THAT DOES IT. I KNOW IN 2002. THE CITY COMMISSION.

UM, CHANGED. DOWNTOWN DOWNTOWN USED TO BE FOUR STORIES AS A MATTER OF RIGHT. AND WE CHANGED HISTORIC DOWNTOWN 23 STORIES, I SAY HISTORIC JUST THE TWO BLOCKS 23 STORIES AND THEN THE AREA GOING FROM LIKE THE DOWNTOWN URBAN LAY OVERLAY ZONE, WHICH IS PROBABLY STEWART MIDDLE SCHOOL ALL THE WAY TO ACROSS THE BRIDGE. BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THERE WAS A DEARTH. OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND AS A RESULT, THE. ADVISORS AND THE PLANNERS AND EVERYBODY ELSE WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS TO IT TO ATTRACT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THE FOUR STORIES WAS CHANGED TO NOPE. YOU ONLY GET THREE STORIES, BUT YOU CAN GET 1/4 STORY IF YOU ADD AND MAKE IT A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND, IRONICALLY AT THE TIME EVERYONE WAS GOING

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BERSERK BECAUSE ALL THEY WANTED TO DO WAS COMMERCIAL PROJECTS. AND THAT WAS DEEMED TO NOT BE A TAKING, BECAUSE PEOPLE STILL HAVE THE SUBSTANTIAL USE FACTOR. IT ALL REALLY DEPENDS. I MEAN, AND QUITE FRANKLY, COVID HADN'T HAPPENED. THERE'S OTHER, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE COMPANY WAS MENTIONING THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW, OFFICE SPACE IS NOT THE PREMIUM IT ONCE WAS. SO THE ALTERNATIVE USES TO THE PROPERTY MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE AS TO WHAT AMOUNTS TO A TAKING. SO THE END PRODUCT WILL MATTER. BUT I ALSO THINK THE INTENTION IS NOT TO TAKE ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY. I THINK THE INTENTION WAS TO ACTUALLY GIVE EVERYBODY OPPORTUNITY AND ACTUALLY MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO NAVIGATE THE SYSTEM AND KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ENTITLED TO AND KNOW WHAT THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO. SO IF IT FEELS LIKE A TAKING. MAYBE WE SHOULD PRESENT IT DIFFERENTLY.

AND I ALSO THINK THAT WE SHOULD, IN FACT, NOTIFY EVERYBODY AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD.

I'M NOT I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE INTENT OF THIS. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH EVEN YOU KNOW A LOT OF THE SPECIFICS. I MEAN, THE HOUSE I BUILT FOLLOWS A LOT OF THE STANDARDS THAT YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, PORTRAYING HERE AND I DID IT BECAUSE I LIKE IT AND THAT'S THAT'S WHY I DID IT. THE OTHER.

SO THE CIVIC OPEN SPACE NOW DOES THAT CREATE A TAKING IF YOU'RE ADDING YOU KNOW THIS SPECIFIC, WE ADDED. WE ADDED THE, UH MICHELLE MARY HUTCHINSON AND SHE WAS ON THE COMMISSION IN ROUGHLY 2007. IS WHEN THE OPEN VISTA WHENEVER SOMEBODY WAS DOING A BUILDING, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE 100 TEAMS WITH THE VEST EVERY WHATEVER THAT WAS ADOPTED BY MARY HUTCHINSON. I THINK THAT WOULD FALL KIND OF IN THAT SAME CIVIC OPEN SPACE. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY. THE CIVIC GOVERNMENT STATE IS GOING TO FALL AND HOW MUCH SPACE IT TAKES UP AND WHAT CRITERIA IS A PLIABLE TO IN WHICH IT'S NOT APPLIED TO, BUT ALSO TELL YOU THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. BETWEEN. A FORM BASED CODE THAT YOU'RE COMING RIGHT IN AND WALKING OUT AND FILLED UP BEFORE AND HAVE THE PERMIT ISSUE. AND GETTING APPROVAL OF A P U D. WE'RE VERY HUTCHINSON HAD THAT OPEN SPACE IN SO IT WILL ALSO DEPENDENT HOW THIS IS ADOPTED, IF, IN FACT THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THOSE OTHER BE SOURCES. CAN IN FACT STILL BE ATTAINED. IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SEEK SOME KIND OF WAIVER FROM THE BOARD OR WHATEVER IT CAN BE, AND AGAIN. I HAVEN'T REALLY SO I THINK THAT KIND OF GETS ME INTO MY NEXT IN. THIS PROBABLY FALLS MORE IN JESSICA'S LINE. YOU KNOW, WE HOLD THESE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND YOU'VE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORS. THE I WOULD I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS IF I'M BUILDING IN THIS DISTRICT. I'M GOING. IF I OWN PROPERTY IN THIS DISTRICT, I'M GOING OUT AND HIRING AN ARCHITECT. I'M LISTENING TO WHAT THAT ARCHITECT SAYS. IF IT'S A BIG ENOUGH PROJECT, I'M HIRING A LAND PLAN. AIR LAND USE ATTORNEYS AND THOSE SUCH HAVE WE CONSULTED WITH THOSE PEOPLE THAT ACETO AND ASSOCIATES OF THE WORLD? THE LAND PLANNERS, THE ARCHITECTS AND THE LAND USE ATTORNEYS. THAT WORK IN THIS IN THIS FIELD. UM IN THOSE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND SUCH SOME OF THEM HAVE PARTICIPATED. UM WE WOULD. I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT RECOMMENDATION, THOUGH FOR US TO BRING THIS CODE TO THOSE FOLKS AND HAVE THEM CONTINUE TO LIKE I SAID, STRESS , TESTS IT AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS AND FEEDBACK.

ABSOLUTELY AND A LOT OF MY CONCERN WITH. THIS IS COMING FROM AN EXAMPLE UP IN ST LUCIE COUNTY, THE TPC SO SEEING AS HE COUNTY MOST OF NORTHERN ST LUCIE COUNTY HAS A ZONING CURB OVERLAY CALLED TOWNS, VILLAGES, COUNTRYSIDE. THERE'S BEEN NOTHING BUILT IN IT EVERY UM EVERY. DEVELOPER THAT I'VE WORKED WITH EVERY DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW, EVERY ENTITLEMENT GROUP THAT I'VE WORKED WITH HAS STRUGGLES WITH THAT CODE STRUGGLES TO INTERPRET IT. STAFF STRUGGLES TO INTERPRET IT. I THINK THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE FORM BASED CODE IS TO ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THAT STRUGGLE. I JUST DON'T KNOW UNTIL LIKE THE GUY THAT I'M GOING TO HIRE TO PLAN OUT MY PROJECT OR GAL IS ACTUALLY TELLING ME YEAH. HEY, THIS I CAN WORK WITH THIS AND THIS AND SO WHEN YOU COUPLE THAT FEEDBACK WITH THE NEIGHBORS WITH THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. UM SEACOAST BANKS, THE MAYFAIR APPLAUSES, THE BAPTIST. SANTOS SAYS THAT TED GLASS ROUTES OF THE WORLD AND EVEN YOU KNOW THE SMALLER NEIGHBORS, TOO. THAT IS WHAT GIVES ME CONFIDENCE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO END UP IN A BIRD HARRIS CLAIM RIGHT? I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT KIND OF FEEDBACK BE BUILT INTO THIS AS WELL BECAUSE IT'S FINDING GOOD TO GET, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK AND SUPPORT FROM NEIGHBORS. BUT IF THEY AREN'T ACTIVELY IN THIS BUSINESS, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW. YEAH. WIN A SPECIFIC ACTION OF A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY HAS INORDINATELY BURDENED AND EXISTING USE OF REAL PROPERTY OR A VESTED RIGHT TO A SPECIFIC USE OF REAL PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THAT REAL PROPERTY IS ENTITLED TO RELIEF, WHICH MAY

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INCLUDE COMPENSATION FOR THE ACTUAL LOSS TO THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE REAL PROPERTY.

CAUSED BY THE GOVERNMENT ACTION. THE PROPERTY OWNER ENTITLED TO RELIEF UNDER THIS SECTION, RETAINS SUCH ENTITLEMENT TO PURSUE THE CLAIM OF THE PROPERTY ONLY FILED A CLAIM UNDER THIS SECTION BUT SUBSEQUENTLY RELINQUISHED HIS TITLE TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY BEFORE THE CLAIM REACHES FINAL RESOLUTION AND THEN INVESTED RIGHT THE EXISTENCE OF INVESTED RIGHT IS TO BE DETERMINED BY APPLYING THE PRINCIPLES OF EQUITABLE ESTOPPEL OR SUBSTANTIVE DUE PROCESS UNDER THE COMMON LAW OR DEPRIVED BY APPLYING THE STATUTORY LAW OF THIS STATE. AN EXISTING USE MEANS THE ACTUAL PRESENT USE OR ACTIVITY ON THE REAL PROPERTY, INCLUDING PERIODS OF ACTIVITY, WHICH ARE NORMALLY ASSOCIATED WITH OR INCIDENTAL TO THE NATURE OR TYPE OF USE. ALL OF THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I RECOMMENDED YOU TALKED TO CARBONATED, RIGHT? AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE DO AND SIZE TO DO THIS, WHICH IS A GOOD EXERCISE. I WANT TO GET TO THE END AND NOT DO IT. NO NO, FOR SURE, I MEAN, AND THAT THAT ISSUE GOES BEYOND JUST THIS. OTHER THINGS TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. THE A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS, SO. I LOOKED AT THE USE TABLE FOR THE CREEK DISTRICT IN PARTICULAR AND JUST THE ONE THING THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME IS THERE IS A BREWERY BEING BUILT CURRENTLY IN MAYFAIR PLAZA, AND I DID NOT SEE BREWERY AS A PERMITTED USE MICROBREW REASON IS, YEAH, IT'S IN THERE AND I GUESS WHERE I WAS GOING WITH. THAT IS CORRECT. YES MICROBREWERY MICRO DISTILLERY? YES. WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT IS, YOU KNOW USES TAKE DIFFERENT FORMS OVER TIME, LIKE OBVIOUSLY , BREWERIES AND DISTILLERIES WERE NOT A THING YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO, AND THEY ARE NOW SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT EFFORT, IF ANY, HAS BEEN TAKEN TO UPDATING THOSE USES TO KIND OF REFLECT CURRENT TRENDS. UM I KNOW I RAN INTO AN ISSUE IN THE WITH THE OLD REBEL OIL BUILDING WHERE THERE'S THIS LANGUAGE IN THE CODE THAT SAYS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HAS KIND OF THE ABILITY TO SAY THAT HE USES SIMILAR TO ANOTHER USE. FEEL LIKE THAT PROCESS COULD BE A LITTLE BIT CLEANER AND A LITTLE BIT. YOU KNOW? I WOULD LIKE MORE SPELLED OUT RIGHT AS IT IS NOW. THE CODE WOULD IF YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING A USE THAT'S ALREADY LISTED. UM IT WOULD FOLLOW THE PROCESS THAT WE SAW EARLIER TODAY, UM, KICKS INTO THE SAME SAME PROCESS. UM YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME MUNICIPALITIES THAT HOW YOU KNOW WILL ALLOW, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME ADMINISTRATIVE WAYS OF GETTING THERE, BUT, UM, AS IT IS TODAY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE JUST SAW TODAY AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. GOING FORWARD, OKAY? NOW, IF THERE'S ANY USES RIGHT NOW, LIKE LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE A BREWERY OR A MICROBREWERY THAT YOU THINK ARE AN OVERSIGHT. YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER. FOR ADDITION AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, I GUESS WHAT KIND OF BRINGS THAT HOME AS THE WHOLE DOGS? WORLD THING LIKE A KENNEL IS THAT IS THE UNDERSTOOD USE, BUT I BELIEVE LIKE WHEN THE CODE WAS WRITTEN IN KENNEL WAS PUT IN PUT IN ALL OF OUR ZONING CODES. IT WAS THE KENNELS OF OLD WHERE YOU JUST HAVE CAGES AND DOGS BARK, AND THAT'S THE SCENARIO. AND SO THAT PARTICULAR USE HAS CHANGED A LOT OVER TIME, RIGHT? YOU KNOW , CODE IS NOT VERY GOOD AT KEEPING UP WITH THOSE CHANGES.

IF YOU LOOK AT MARTIN COUNTY'S HOTEL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR YOU KNOW, FOR HOTELS. IT DOESN'T REFLECT A TODAY STANDARD HOTEL. UM SOME OF THE SPECIFICS DOG KENNELS. GOOD NO. TOO LATE. YEAH THE GETTING INTO SOME OF THE MORE SPECIFIC THINGS. AND I THINK YOU I THINK YOU CAUGHT ALL THE ONES THAT ARE LIKE MY GO TO THE BOUNDARIES OF OWNERSHIP VERSUS ZONING OVERLAYS. SO THAT ALWAYS GETS ME WHEN YOU GO TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND HALF OF ITS OWN ONE THING AND HALF OF ITS OWN ANOTHER. UM I DID SEE SOMEWHERE IN THE CREEK DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WHERE THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR 10 FT SETBACKS OR REQUIREMENT FOR 10 FT SIDEWALKS, AND THEN THERE'S A 10 FT. BUILD TWO LINE AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T END UP IN A SCENARIO WHERE YOU HAVE THIS WELL OVERLAP. OR LIKE NO ABILITY TO LANDSCAPER BUFFER . I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S LIKE BUILDINGS ENDING INTO SIDEWALKS. UM I THINK YOU ADDRESS THE SHORELINE PROTECTION ZONE IS A CURRENT REQUIREMENT. CORRECT TWEAKING THAT, UM, MEASUREMENT OF BUILDING HEIGHT, SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU ADD A STEP UP AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS BUILDING HEIGHT IS MEASURED FROM GRADE YOU'RE YOU'RE ALMOST AUTOMATICALLY CHEATING SOMEONE OUT OF A COUPLE OF FEET THERE IF YOU'RE THINKING OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING ENVELOPE, SO I THOUGHT MIGHT BE TO MEASURE BUILDING HEIGHT FROM FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION. IT IS IT IS, IT IS FROM THE LOWEST PERMISSION PERMISSIBLE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION, SO RIGHT, WHICH IS BASICALLY CROWN OF ROAD ON FOR

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MOST CASES, BUT I THINK ENTIRELY IN THESE LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BECAUSE IF IT'S CORRECTLY I THOUGHT IT WAS 18 INCHES ABOVE CROWN OF ROAD. OKAY SO AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY TO CAPTURE YOUR STEP UP TO THAT FRONT. IF YOU'RE BUILDING 10 FT. OFF THE ROAD, YOU'RE BUILDING THAT BUILDING ABOVE. YOU WANT THAT STEP UP FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT ? BUT IF YOU'RE NOW CHEATING THAT OFF OF YOUR BUILDING HEIGHT. IT CREATES A PROBLEM GETTING 14 GETTING A RIGHT OR TRUSTING MECHANICAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND, AND THAT'S TO GO BACK TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HEIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY EVEN THOUGH WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF STORIES AND IN SOME CASES, UH, WERE MORE CRITICAL OF IT. WE KEPT THE THAT HEIGHT BECAUSE UM. AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING IS THAT IT ISN'T IT'S I DON'T KNOW IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. IT USES FIVE YEAH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 20 USES THE PROVISIONS SO YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GO, UM, UP TO LIKE 15 OR 10 FT FOR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND SCREENING, SO THERE'S A LOT OF ELEMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL HEIGHT AND GOOD ARCHITECTURE. UM SO THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE PUZZLE THERE. I MEAN THAT THAT'S AS WELL AS A GREAT CASE. STUDY FOR HOW YOU BUILD, YOU KNOW, IN A CONTEXT SENSITIVE THREE STORY BUILDING. I THINK IN THIS THIS AREA UM AND THEN TO YOUR POINT ABOUT HEIGHT, THOUGH, IN YOU KNOW IT PERMITTED USES AND TAKINGS AND, UH, PROPERTY RIGHTS. THE HEIGHTS THAT WE LOOKED AT WHERE WE LOOKED AT REDUCING THE NUMBER OF STORIES. THOSE WERE ONLY IN CASES WHERE IT WAS, UM THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE, SO THOSE WERE ALL WERE OR REQUIRED TO BE MIXED . YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. I'M PARTICULARLY KEEN ON THE BUILDING HEIGHTS. WHEN I SAY YOU KNOW, HE IS THIS LIKE THE FEAR THAT I HAVE IS THE T V C. FEAR WHERE SOMEONE COMES IN HERE. 15 YEARS AFTER ITS PAST TRIES TO BUILD ON IT. AND THEY YOU KNOW THEY ALL OF A SUDDEN REALIZED THAT IT JUST IT DOESN'T WORK FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, AND YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING. COME OF THIS INTO VERIFICATION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT. WE DO ADOPTED FOR BASED CODE. AND THERE IS STILL RELIEF TO IT. AND HERE IT IS, AND THIS IS IT, YOU GET IT, AND THAT'S IT, OR IS IT AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE THE ABILITY SEEING THE OTHER REMEDIES ANYWAY, IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE DRAWN OUT PROCESS, AND BUT I WOULD SAY, BUT I THINK THAT THAT THE GETTING YOUR TEETH KICKED IN IN A PUBLIC SETTING IS NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE, AND THAT'S A LIKE RIGHT AND I MEAN, LIKE IT'S A SCENARIO WHERE LANDOWNERS ARE HAVING TO SIT THROUGH TWO YEAR, THREE YEAR, FOUR YEAR CONTRACTS BECAUSE THE ENTITLEMENT PATH FOR THEM IS NOT CLEAR. IT'S NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLEAR AND IF YOU GO, YOU KNOW THIS DRIVES. THIS WILL CLEAR THAT UP, RIGHT? IF IT'S DONE RIGHT, IT WILL CLEAR IT UP . BUT THIS IS MORE THAN WRONG. 15 YEARS FROM THIS IS MORE PHILOSOPHICAL THAT BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YES THERE IS STILL, UM WITHIN THE CREEK DISTRICT WHERE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO P. U. D S THAT IS STILL CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE GOING FORWARD. SO YOU STILL HAVE THE P U D AVENUE WITHIN THE CREEK? UM YOU STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST VARIANCES? UM SOMETHING LIKE THE CIVIC OPEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, WOULD FALL UNDER THE SAME KIND OF VARIANTS REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU KNOW IF YOU WERE ASKING FOR A CHANGE AND STEP BACKS UM, FORM BASED CODES AND CODES AND THEN EUCLIDEAN CODES OR CONVENTIONAL CODES. THEY REALLY WELL ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE ADOPTED ON A MUNICIPAL LEVEL. THEY ARE REALLY A GREAT STATION, AND YOU CAN FIND TUNE. HOW SPECIFIC OR HOW FLEXIBLE THE CODE CAN BE. HOW MUCH CAN GO? YOU KNOW, THROUGH THAT PROCESS THROUGH, UM , YOU KNOW AGAIN IF YOU FOLLOW THE WORD OF THE OF THE COLD, PRECISELY. AND YOU ARE YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH, UM YOU KNOW THAT HIGH BUILT STANDARDS THAT ARE HERE. UM OR, YOU KNOW IF YOU ABSOLUTELY PAWS DOWN. I GUESS THE POINT IS, YOU CAN FIND TUNE IT TO WHATEVER LEVEL OF DEGREE OF FORD INTERACTION AND BOARD APPROVAL THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW. YOU HAVE TO KIND OF DETERMINE. YOU KNOW WHERE ON THAT GRADIENT OF FORM BASED CODE. YOU WANT TO FALL ON AND YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN THE EARLY DAYS OF FORM BASED CODE. THEY WERE OFTEN YOU KNOW, SEASIDE, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT WAS WHERE IT STARTED. AND THAT WAS ONE OWNER AND THEY HAD A LOT OF CONTROL OVER HOW IT GOT DONE, RIGHT? AND SO NOW, YOU KNOW THIS IS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF LEARNING IN THE LAST 40 YEARS ON HOW YOU IMPLEMENT IT AND HOW YOU NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE, RESPONSIVE TO THE

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MARKET. UM BUT AT THE SAME TIME TIE IN SOME RESTRICTIONS OR NOT RESTRICTIONS, BUT SOME BREAK POINTS WHERE YOU KNOW IF IT'S IF THE SCALE GETS SO LARGE THAT IT HAS THAT THAT LEVEL OF COMMUNITY INPUT, AND THAT'S WHERE THE MAJOR AND I THINK THAT THE PROJECTS CAME IN. I THINK THE COMMUNITY INPUTS GREAT. BUT UP UNTIL 12 30 LAST NIGHT OR YESTERDAY OF SUPPORT FROM SOMEONE FROM SOMEONE WHO SPOKE HERE TODAY. AND IN LESS THAN. I GUESS IT WOULD BE A LITTLE OVER 24 HOURS. THAT COMPLETELY CHANGED. YEAH SO WHEN YOU HANG ALL OF THESE THINGS ON COMMUNITY SUPPORT FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THE FIELD SIMPLY, YOU KNOW. LIVE THERE A LOT OF TIMES IN SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MEET THE CODE. THE VERY CODE THEY'RE ARGUING TO BE, YOU KNOW, UPHOLD. IT CREATES THIS KIND OF IMBALANCE BETWEEN PROPERTY RIGHTS FOR LOGICAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE OUTCOME. AND SO ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT YOU KNOW TO FRANK'S POINT, IF THE POINT OF THIS IS TO YOU KNOW, GET THIS TO AN APPLICATION PROCESS AND YOU KNOW PERMIT ISSUANCE. WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE VESTED INTERESTS THAT ARE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY IT? HAVE EVERY UNIT AND SIGN OFF AND SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE'RE ON BOARD BECAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE CONCEPT CONCEPT STAGE OR IN, YOU KNOW, THE INCUBATOR STAGE THAT ARE IN THESE DISTRICTS. AND I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THEY HAVE NOT REVIEWED THIS RIGHT. THAT SHOULD BE HERE. NICK I AGREE. YOU KNOW, IN ALL HONESTY, THEY REALLY SHOULD BE HERE THEN BECAUSE IT'S ADVERTISED IF THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING THEN, RIGHT? THEY SHOULD VERY WELL BE HERE. THEN THEY CAN ASK THEIR QUESTIONS, PERIOD. MANY MEETINGS HAVE WE HAD NOT JUST THIS THIS BOARD ALL TOGETHER. ALL TOGETHER ARE THE WORKSHOPS AND MEETINGS AND EVERYTHING. HOW MANY HAVE WE HAD FOUR WORKSHOPS AND THEN THIS PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE DONE TO THREE TIMES THIS MONTH, CR A MEETING WE HAD TO SEE IT. WE HAD YEAH, I'M TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC MEETINGS, BUT WE'VE HAD INTRODUCTION TO THE FORM SKATEBOARD FROM FORM BASED CODE TO THE BOARD. SO AT SOME POINT. YEAH AND SECOND READING. MY DOOR IS OPEN. SO UH AND SO I'M I'M SEND THEM MY WAY. ALL I'M SAYING IS NEWSPAPER DOESN'T NOT ANYMORE BECAUSE NOBODY READS THE NEWSPAPER ANYMORE. AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. I DIDN'T KNOW. SORRY SORRY. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PAROLE FOR YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. YES LEVEL OF LIKE, HEY, REACH OUT AND FIND OUT BUT IF YOU ADD UP. THE LARGEST PARCELS OR IF YOU TAKE THE LARGEST PARCELS IN THE CREEK DISTRICT. THOSE OWNERS ARE , YOU KNOW, HAVE NOT WE HAVE BEEN PART OF THE FAILED NOTICE TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE PHYSICAL ADDRESS. SO I MEAN , THIS IS WHAT CAUSES BURT HARRIS. BECAUSE MIKE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT HARRISON MORE CONCERNED. LAST MINUTE OBJECTIONS LIKE YOU HAD TODAY WITH THE DOG WORLD, YOU SPEND YOUR ENTIRE PRESENTATION EVERYTHING TOGETHER. THINK OF ITS OWN FAVOR. HE SHOWED UP TO A ROOMFUL OF PEOPLE AGAINST AND EVERYTHING GOES SIDEWAYS. I DON'T WANT US TO FACE THAT. WHEN WE GET TO THE FIRST THREE PEOPLE TO BE AWARE AND BODY AND EARLY AND IF IT GOES BANK, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THEN HE HUDSON HERE, OBJECTING TO IT. IT'S GOING TO BE THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL SLAPPING YOU WITH SOME SORT OF LIKE, HEY , YOU KNOW, ALL THE BREAKS ARE COMING ON BECAUSE OF WHATEVER THINGS TO GIVE IT TO. THE WHOLE THING OUT THERE. AND AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE. BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE ACHIEVE IT AND DON'T END UP IN A T V C SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE THIS ENTIRE NORTHERN SWATH OF SEEING LUCY COUNTY WITH NOTHING THE BILL. IN THE STRONGEST REAL ESTATE MARKET WE'VE EVER SEEN BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T GET THEIR HEAD AROUND THE CODE AND THE LANDOWNERS.

FEAR. AND IT'S NOT JUST HERE. I MEAN, LIKE, I'M RUNNING INTO IT DOWN AND DOWN AND ISLAND. ARADO WHERE? YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO EXPAND AN OPERATION THAT WE BROUGHT THERE AND LITERALLY, PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS. PUTTING THINGS IN PEOPLE'S MAIL MAILBOXES THAT ARE BLATANTLY FALSE THAT ARE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SLANDEROUS THAT ARE JUST YOU KNOW? CRIMINAL IF YOU ASK ME AND THIS IS WHAT AFFECTS PUBLIC DECISION. SO WHEN YOU SAY LIKE, OKAY, WELL, YOU CAN ALWAYS DO A P U D. LIKE LET'S TRY TO AVOID THAT, AND I DON'T WANT THAT I WANT THIS WITH

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THE INTENTION IS THAT WE WANT THIS CODE TO BE CLEAR AND EASY TO SEE HOW DEVELOPERS AND EVERYONE IS NOT SURPRISED, AND IT'S A MUCH MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD PROCESS. SO I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE A GREAT EXAMPLE OR A GREAT TESTAMENT TO FORM BASED CODE AND HOW IT WORKS IS DOES MATTER ME COME IN AND TRY TO ADJUST ANY KIPLINGER'S FORM BASED CODE IN NEW WHEN DOES THAT? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND SO IF THAT HAPPENS SOON, THEN YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT'S KIND OF CASE IN POINT. FOR WHAT? I'M WHAT I'M SAYING HERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LET'S GET BREAKDOWN RELATED ENEMY CHANGED AND CHANGES ARE GONNA HAPPEN. YEAH HAPPEN, BUT LET'S NOT MAKE THE MONUMENTAL IT'S NOT MAKE IT TO WHERE WE PROJECT HAS TO BE A P U V. LET'S NOT MAKE IT TO WHERE EVERYTHING HAS TO COME THROUGH WITH PERMISSION. AND ALL I WANT YOUR JOB TO BE SUPER EASY, LIKE, HEY, HERE'S YOUR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION. YOUR PORCH ISN'T BIG ENOUGH TO FIX IT. HERE'S THE CODE THAT SAYS IT HAS TO BE FIXED LIKE THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE THAT WE GET NOW AND WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN THIS ROOM, AND THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF IT, THEY CAN'T RAISE THE BIRD HARRIS CLAIM LATER BECAUSE IT'S AMERICA AND ANYBODY CAN SUE ANYBODY FOR ANYTHING. I'M SORRY. SO I GOT. YOU GUYS GOT ME WARMED UP. YOU'RE RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

YEAH NO, YOU SHOULD. NEVER NEVER SAY THAT. THAT'S FINE BY RECORD . JESSICA. I JUST WANT TO SAY I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TERRIFIC. I AGREE WITH NICK. UH, WE SHOULD MAKE IT AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE SO THAT PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH. WHAT HAPPENS? AND WHAT HAPPENED TODAY IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE. YOU KNOW, THERE HAS TO BE A WAY THAT HAVE USES. THAT WE CAN REUSE A BUILDING FOR WITHOUT GOING THROUGH HELL. SO YOU KNOW, I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH THEM, AND I HOPE GET THIS PAST. I'M NOT EVEN SO SURE THIS IS GOING TO GET TEST. AND JESSICA. I DO WANT TO SAY THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK. I RECOGNIZE THE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK. I THINK IT'S GREAT WORK, AND I JUST WANT TO SEE IT COME TO FRUITION AND BE A SUCCESS. AND SO WITH THAT SOMETIMES COMES FROM HARD CRITIQUE. SO THANK YOU . I APPRECIATE IT. I REALLY APPRECIATE HELP YOU IN REACHING OUT TO THOSE FOLKS, BY ALL MEANS , YOU KNOW, LET YOU KNOW. REACH OUT TO ME. YEAH. AND I DID SOME RESEARCH AND I THINK I DID IT WITH BECAUSE OF MR FROMM. EVEN FROM WHAT'S HIS NAME? ETHAN, THE ATTORNEY. WHAT YOU REPRESENT.

YEAH. SO ACCORDING TO HIM. ONLY ABOUT 2% OF BERT HARRIS. CLAIMS EVER GO ANYWHERE. IT'S ALWAYS ALWAYS SETTLED. SO JUST, YOU KNOW, I FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONE THAT KELLY SETTLED WHERE THEY DOUBLED THE LINK. WELL WE KNOW WHY THAT HADN'T DOLLARS CASH. OKAY I ADJOURN THIS MEETING. I DON'T WANT THIS ONE WELL, AND I GUESS THAT'S THE UNDERLYING PREMISE LIKE CLAIM GETS MADE.

THERE'S STILL AN ISSUE COMMENT, SAYING, I JUST HAVE A QUICK UPDATE THAT MIGHT SAY ONE MORE THING. HURRY UP COMMENTS ON. I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR A WHILE. MY SAME COMMENTS.

REGARDING. THE FIGURE. YOU KNOW ALL OF THAT AND ALSO ADDING LANDSCAPE IN THERE. APPLY TO THIS DISTRICT. YOU KNOW MY SAME COMMENTS FOR EAST STEWART APPLIED TO GO ON TO THE NEXT FINE. SORRY UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE COMMENTS DURING STAFF COMMENTS. UM AS YOU RECALL THE GATEWAY SIGNAGE PROJECT, THE CRB BOARD ACTUALLY APPROVED THE WAVE CONCEPT. AND THEN WHEN I WENT TO THE C R A BOARD THEY WANTED MEETING INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL OPTION FOR THE COMMUNITY.

CONSIDER SO WE ADDED LIKE A TRADITIONAL SCIENCE, SO WE DID A SECOND SURVEY AND DURING THE SECOND SURVEY, THEIR COMMUNITIES STILL PREFERRED. THE WAVE CONCEPT AND THEN, UM THEN THE BOARD REQUESTED THAT WE INCLUDE COUPLE OF CONCEPTS FROM THE LOCAL ARTISTS THAT WE DID A THIRD SURVEY AND INCLUDED THOSE CONCEPTS, AND THAT THIRD SURVEY ALSO SHOWED THAT THE COMMUNITY STILL PREFERRED THE WAVE CONCEPT AND JORDAN'S AND NO, THERE WAS REAL SERVING ONLINE SURVEY. AND UH, SO THE BOARD THE CRE BOARD LAST MONTH APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS CONCEPT, AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FINAL DESIGN AND HOPEFULLY CONSTRUCTION BY THE END OF 2023.

THANK YOU. OKAY OKAY. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE MOVE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.