Sep 26, 2022 Regular City Commission Meeting

[ROLL CALL]

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OKAY GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE REGULAR STUART CITY COMMISSION MEETING AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? MAYOR MCDONALD HERE, COMMISSIONER BRUNO COMMISSIONER CLARK HERE. COMMISSIONER COLLINS AND COMMISSIONER RICH HERE. OKAY GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN IF YOU WOULD JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE, FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. THANK YOU. OKAY SIX. AMERICA AND WHICH IS SAYING ONE NATION. THANK YOU. EVERYONE. PLEASE BE SEATED. OKAY? COMMENTS BY

[COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS]

COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES, THANK YOU. UM I WANTED. I KNOW WE HAD A WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A C R A PRESENTATION TODAY, BUT WE JUST HAD A CRE MEDIA AND I FORGOT TO ASK THIS OF THE SERIE MEETING, BUT THE CRE HAD ABOUT $750,000 FOR, UM, HOUSING IMPROVEMENTS, AND I KNOW THAT I WOULD BE ADMINISTERED BY THE GUARDIAN OR THAT GROUP DOWN IN HOMESTEAD. AND I KNOW THAT THIS THEORY WAS WAITING TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION FROM THE STATE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS WERE IN ORDER. AND IT'S HURRICANE TIME AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING TO SEE IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE APPROVED THAT I JUST WANTED TO ASK MR GANDHI, UH, THIS WHEN THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO COME THROUGH SO THAT WE CAN KNOW. RESIDENTS CAN KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GOING. IF THEY'RE YOU KNOW, ABLE TO GET THE QUALIFICATION AND GET THE FUNDING ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO DO THE WORK. ACTUALLY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY MONEY, PERCY RIGHT, SO THAT ITEM IS ACTUALLY COMING BEFORE THE BOARD IN OCTOBER, 10TH. I BELIEVE THAT'S FIRST CITY COMMISSION MEETING. UH, WE JUST RECENTLY RECEIVED A LETTER OF NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST. WE WERE WAITING FOR THAT WAIVER. SO THAT'S BEEN CLEARED, AND WE ALSO HAVE A LIST THE RANKING LIST

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I'M TRYING. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM I THINK I THINK THAT THAT'S ABOUT IT. I JUST WANT TO SEE AGAIN THE WORK OF THE TRAGICAL REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL IS SO IMPORTANT, AND I KNOW THAT

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I KNOW THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF GREAT WORK. I HAD A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS VIA EMAIL, TEXT AND VOICE WITH MIKE AND DAVE. REGARDING CASE WE NEED TO DO AN EMERGENCY DECLARATION. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE DODGING THAT BULLET. FIVE O'CLOCK. WE'RE BACK IN A TROPICAL STORM WATCH. OKAY ANOTHER EASTERLY TURN, SO OKAY, WELL, WE'LL BE KEEPING AN EYE ON THAT. AND IF AND FOR COMMISSIONER RICH AND COMMISSIONER COLLINS. UM THE WE HAVE SOME PROCEDURES THAT WE PUT HAVE IN PLACE THAT IF WE DO HAVE A STORM THAT WE WOULD DECLARE AN EMERGENCY FOR THE PURPOSE OF, UH , GIVES THE CITY MANAGER MORE LATITUDE TO DEAL WITH THE STORM. UM AND SO, AND THAT'S DONE BY DECLARATION BY THE MAYOR SO WELL AND THEN YOU CURSE WOULD ALL BE NOTIFIED BY IT, BUT UM, WELL, WE'RE KEEPING THEIR KEEPING AN EYE ON THAT STAFF HAS BEEN FABULOUS. UM AND I ALSO AS MILTON HERE, MILTON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SAID. I SAID MILTON A TEXT OVER THE WEEKEND THAT THERE WAS A SIDEWALK THAT HAD A TREE BLOCKING KIND OF TREES BLOCKING IT. UH AND I WASN'T THINKING THAT BECAUSE OF THEIR HURRICANE PREP, I FIGURED IT WOULD GET DONE. NEXT WEEK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, THAT WAS LIKE EIGHT O'CLOCK ON SATURDAY MORNING. I SENT A TEXT . I THINK IT WAS BY 9 30. I HAD PICTURES OF THE OF THE TREE TRIMMED. UH SO I JUST WANT TO JUST SAY THANK YOU, MILTON AND THANK MORE IMPORTANTLY, I GUESS. THANK YOUR TEAM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE ALL ARE ARE WHAT? BY THE PEOPLE OF SUPPORT US. SO THANK YOU. SO, PLEASE, THANK THEM. UM AS WE'RE COMING UP TO THE END OF THE YEAR WILL BE THINKING ABOUT OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDAS. AND THIS ISN'T A DIRECT , UM CITY. ISSUE BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S AFFECTING OUR RESIDENTS. AND AS WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR AGENDA, LIKE TO LOOK AT THIS. I'VE BEEN TALKING TO SO MANY PEOPLE THAT OR HAVING DIFFICULTIES WITH THEIR HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE. UM PEOPLE ARE GETTING I TALKED TO ONE INDIVIDUAL HERE LOCALLY. THAT'S BEEN CANCELED THREE TIMES IN THE LAST YEAR. I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE . I TALKED TO TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSIDERING MOVING OUT OF STATE BECAUSE OF THEY CAN'T GET INSURANCE BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH THEIR INSURANCE.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ADD TO OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, BECAUSE IF HOMEOWNERS CANNOT GET INSURANCE , YOU KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY AFFECTS OUR RESIDENTS.

AND IT'S ALSO AFFECTING THEIR FINANCES BECAUSE INSURANCE IS GOING UP. I KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE ON CITIZENS NOW, AND CITIZENS REALLY SHOULD BE SUPPOSED TO BE THE LAST RESORT AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DO GET A MAJOR HURRICANE THAT HITS US AND WE HAVE EVERYBODY ON CITIZENS. IS THE STATE PREPARED TO BILL EVERYBODY OUT. AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO ADDRESS. AND THEN FINALLY TOMORROW, UM, CHIEF TO MANALI FOR ME THAT TOMORROW WILL BE HAVING SWEARING IN A NEW POLICE OFFICER, SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING OVER AND MEETING THE NEW OFFICER AND SEE THEM SWORN IN AND THEN FINALLY, I SEE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON IS HERE. AND JUST WANT TO THANK HIM FOR HIS SERVICE AND THANK HIM FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY AND I GUESS WE

[COMMENTS BY CITY MANAGER]

THAT PIECE IS TO TAKE THE CURRENT FLOATING DOCKS AND MAKE THEM INTO FIXED DOCKS. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO RECEIVE THAT FUNDING. IT JUST WOULD HAVE COME BEFORE THE STORM, THEN. NICER BUT ANYWAYS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY CAN WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AGENDA?

[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (3 Minutes Max.)]

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THANK YOU. AND IF I MISPRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME, I APOLOGIZE. WAR A G. G O BILLY. CLOSE COURSE.

HOW IS THE CORRECT PRONUNCIATION ? GOV OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. AND THANK YOU. MY NAME IS LAURA JOBE AND I LIVE AT 29 50 SOUTHEAST OCEAN BOULEVARD. EXCUSE ME. I HAVE A SORE THROAT. STEWART IS A TOWN COMMUNITY BUT SOMEHOW OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE BECOME THE VOICE OF GROWTH ON STEROIDS AND MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN WHAT IT'S LIKE TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY GROWTH IS GOOD, AND IT'S NEEDED FOR ANY TOWN TO SURVIVE. BUT WHEN YOU SACRIFICE GROWTH BEFORE IMPROVEMENT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS VERY POOR PLANNING. WHEN THE TOWN OFFICIALS PROPOSED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH I MIGHT ADD. YOU HAVE FOR YEARS, UM. AND NOW THE NEW TERMINOLOGY IS ACCESSIBLE HOUSING. IT'S ACCESSIBLE FOR WHO THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD 2000 TO 3000 MONTH RENT FOR TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS, ZONING CHANGES AND LAND USE CHANGES DISREGARD FOR OUR WETLANDS, ALL IN THE NAME OF ANOTHER STRIP MALL ON A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE OR ANOTHER MULTIMILLION DOLLAR COMMUNITY. THIS APPEARS TO BE THE DIRECTION OUR TOWN CONTINUES TO GROW IN, AND I BEG TO ASK THE QUESTION. WHY WE NEED TO BE PROMOTING OUR SMALL TOWN BUSINESSES ARE SMALL TOWN PRESENCE GROWTH THAT WILL BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS OF STEWART , NOT THE OUT OF TOWN DEVELOPERS WHO WILL RAPE OUR LAND AND THEN ONCE AND WERE NO LONGER VIABLE.

THEY'LL JUST MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TOWN IN QUEST OF THE ALMIGHTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IN THEORY DESTROYS TOWNS AND THEIR UNIQUE INDIVIDUALITY, WHICH IS WHAT STEWART HAD. OUR TOWN IS PROMOTED AND ALL THE COASTAL MAGAZINES AND ARTICLES DESIGNATED TO SHOWCASE SHOWCASE THE BEST OF UNKNOWN SMALL TOWNS TO VISIT AND MOVE TO. WELL, THIS IS GREAT FOR MARKETING. IN THE END, THOSE ARTICLES WILL BE PROMOTING AN IMAGE OF A TOWN THAT NO LONGER EXIST. I THINK OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE CONSTITUENTS THAT YOU REPRESENT.

WE MANAGED TO GAIN A SEAT ON THE COMMISSION. THERE WILL BE MORE SEATS AVAILABLE IN THE NEXT ELECTION. I JUST ASKED. WHAT DO YOU WANT YOUR LEGACY TO BE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND BEFORE I MOVE ON THE NEXT ONE, I SEE THAT NEW SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER AMY PRITCHARD IS NEAR WELCOME TODAY.

OKAY NEXT, UH, PERSON IS QUINN ISHA. NIKKI HAWKINS. I HOPE I PRONOUNCED YOUR NAME CORRECTIVE.

HELLO COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS NIKKI HAWKINS. UM SORRY. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? ALL RIGHT. UM I AM AT 14 14. ARAPAHOE UM, I AM A REAL ESTATE, UM, REALTOR RIGHT NOW AND SOON TO BE DEVELOPER. UM THERE IS A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE COMMUNITY. I HAVE TO TELL MY CLIENTS WHEN THEY COME TO ME THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT LIVING IN MARTIN COUNTY BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL THE RENT IS TOO EXPENSIVE. THE HOUSING IS WAY TOO EXPENSIVE AND THE PEOPLE THAT I SERVE THE MIDDLE CLASS AND LOWER MIDDLE CLASS. THEY JUST CANNOT AFFORD THAT. SO I TAKE THEM SUPPORT ST LUCIE AND EVEN THAT IS GETTING OUT OF WAY. SO I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO MAYBE, UM , HIRED A FACILITATOR TO FACILITATE SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING WILL BE WILLING TO DO IT , UM, SO THAT WE CAN GET IT GOING AND GET IT STARTED RIGHT AND COME UP WITH A VIABLE SOLUTION FOR THE COMMUNITY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LIVE AND WORK WITHIN THE COMMUNITY HERE IN MARTIN COUNTY AND STEWART SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY ROBERT NEARY IS NEXT. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. ROBERT MARY I'M A CITY OF STEWART RESIDENT AND ALSO CEO FOR HOUSE OF HOPE. HERE ALSO TO SPEAK ABOUT THE ISSUE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN THE CITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO RECONSIDER THE DISCUSSIONS FROM YOUR PREVIOUS MEETING. UM WELL, WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW. IN REAL TIME AT HOUSE OF HOPE IS AND YOU'VE HEARD IT FROM SOME OF THE SPEAKERS ALREADY, FOLKS CAN AFFORD TO BE HERE ANYMORE. SO WE'VE ALREADY BEEN CHALLENGED, FEELING A LOT OF OPEN POSITIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY. I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'VE SEEN, UM TRIPLE TRIPLE FIGURES OF FAMILIES THAT HAVE BEEN FORCED TO RELOCATE INTO THE CENTER OF THE STATE WHERE THINGS ARE STILL A LITTLE BIT LESS EXPENSIVE. SO WE'RE LOSING IMPORTANT WORKFORCE FOR THE SUCCESS OF OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN MARTIN COUNTY AND WITHIN THE CITY OF STEWART. UM THE LOCATION THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED. BEING AN IDEAL SITUATION IF YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE CHECKLIST OF SPACES WHERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WOULD BE A SUCCESSFUL USE, IT'S

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AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS WHAT WE NEED FOR OUR LOWER WAGE EARNERS IN THIS COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO LIVE WORK, PLAY AND PRAY HERE IN MARTIN COUNTY, AND THE CITY HAS CERTAINLY OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP US TO CREATE THAT IT'LL NEVER WORK IF IT'S JUST NON PROFITS OR JUST PRIVATE ENTERPRISE. UM EVERYWHERE WHERE THIS IS SUCCESSFUL. IT'S GREAT COLLABORATIVE PARTNERSHIPS, PUBLIC PRIVATE SECTOR, THE GOVERNMENT IS INVOLVED, AS WELL AS BUSINESSES AND NONPROFIT ENTITIES TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. SO UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING I HOPE THAT YOU ALL WOULD CONSIDER ON A BIGGER PICTURE BEYOND JUSTICE. ONE PARCEL THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ROB. THANK YOU. EVERYTHING YOUR ORGANIZATION DOES HAVE SOME HOPE. THANK YOU FOR WHAT HOUSE? I HOPE DOES JIMMY SMITH JIMMY. CATCH YOU SLEEPING BACK THERE, JIMMY. LEADERS IN GENERAL. THANK YOU, JIMMY. PRESIDENT NW CP. FIRST OF ALL I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATING IN THAT THEIR BARBECUE COOK OFF AND WE HAD AND THE CITY OF STEWART. AND I WILL. CITY MANAGER. GREAT JOB . Y'ALL GIVE HIM A ROUND APPLAUSE WAS ROBBED. I WON FIRST PLACE. DID A GOOD JOB. EVERYBODY IS WILLING TO LOOK FOR IT TO BE A HAND YOU AND WE ALL CAN PARTICIPATE AND ALSO WANT TO INVITE YOU ALL OUT TO THE MIRACLE AND HISTORY THIS YEAR GOING TO BE THE GREATEST EVENT WHERE EVERYBODY CAN COME TOGETHER. ALL RIGHT, LOOK FORWARD FOR THAT. IN DECEMBER. I'M JUST LISTENING TO THE YOUNG LADY. WOW CONVERSATION ABOUT WORK GOING MILLER CLASS, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY OVER THERE, WHICH I WANT TO JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT THAT LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY OVER THE GEORGIA AND MARLENE KING THAT HE WAS A HISTORIC PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE. HERE'S A BUILDING CYSTS ON THE CORNER. DALE GEORGIA IN MARCH LUTHER KING, EVEN THOUGH WE UTILIZE THAT PROPERTY FOR THE FUTURE LOWER INCOME HOUSING THAT BILL IN THERE. YES. SO IMPORTANT TO ME AND A LOT MORE 1974 75 76 YEAR OF MARTIN COUNTY. WE BUILT THAT BUILDING. WE BUILT THAT BUILDING FOR MY FATHER WAS HE WAS, UH, SUPERVISOR, SCHOOL TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT AMONG COUNTY WHERE HE WAS THE FIRST ONE DESIGN EVERY BUS ROUTE EVERY STOP WHEREVER KID NEED TO BE PICKED UP IN WHAT CHINESE WOULD BE PICKED UP. THAT WAS HIS FIRST OFFICE THAT WE BUILT AS KIDS FROM MONTANA. AND I'VE BEEN WORKING TO SEE IF WE CAN KEEP THAT BUILDING SOMEWHERE FORM OF BEING A HISTORICAL IN THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY. I THINK I GOT SOME COMMENTS FROM SOMEONE SAID, WELL, THAT'S GREAT IDEA. WE CAN UTILIZE THEM COMMUNITY FOR SOMETHING ELSE, AND YOU CAN STILL BUILD HIS STORE ABILITY.

SO I WANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM MIND KIND OF HELPED BUILD THAT. I MEAN, OUR CARPENTER CLASS. I'LL LET YOU GO. NUTRITION CLASS I WAS IN THE STUCCO AND BLOCK CLASS MISSIONARY SO SOONER THAT IN OUR PLAY IN THE FUTURE, I THINK ANYTHING DOING WITH LOCAL INCOME HOUSING LOOKING HERE AND I WAS SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, MIDDLE CLASS NOW YOU HAVE TO BE A MILLIONAIRE. UH MILLER CLASS LIKE IT USED TO BE AS POOR PEOPLE NOW. POOR PEOPLE'S HOMELESS. AND THEN HOMELESS. I THINK THEY'RE JUST FORGOTTEN. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A LOT OF THINGS. I THINK WE GOT ONE OF THE GREATEST CITIES REVEALS. AND I THINK WE GOT A GOOD SHOT OF SMART PEOPLE THAT SITS UP HERE. AND ALL YOU GOT A GOOD HEART. AND I KNOW YOU CAN COME TO A WAY WE CAN GET THIS DONE. I GOT WE GOT A LOT OF NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS IN MIND COUNTY. I CAN'T MIND COUNTY DEALING WITH ALL THE BRANCHES OVER THE STATE OF FLORIDA CREATE MINE. CANADA HAS THE BEST RESOURCE FOR HOMELESS FEEDING NOBODY IN MIND. CANADA SHOULD BE HUNGRY.

EVERYBODY GOT SOMETHING TO GIVE SOMEBODY MIND CANDY. BUT NOT WE JUST GOT TO MOVE IT TO ANOTHER LEVEL, NOT JUST FOOD. WE HAVE TO FIND WAYS TO HELP THESE PEOPLE BE ABLE TO STAY IN MIND AND MY KIDS DON'T WANT TO COME BACK. I DON'T REALLY WANT HIM TO COME BACK ACHED GOOD PLACE TO LIVE.

IT'S VERY COMFORTABLE. WE ALL KNOW THAT. EVEN THOUGH SOME OF YOU ALL KNOW IT'S TOUGH SO WE CAN SIT DOWN. UNLESS WE CAN DO IT. WE'RE GOING TO PROVE TO THE WORLD THAT WE CAN DO IT TOGETHER

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SO IN 1995. WHILE IT WAS STILL A LITTLE EXPENSIVE. I CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. I RUN AN ORGANIZATION CALLED HELPING PEOPLE SUCCEED WE HAVE ABOUT 145 STAFF, NOW WITH NEW DOLLARS WE'VE RECEIVED WILL PROBABLY HAVE CLOSE TO 170 BY THE END OF THE YEAR. WE ARE HAVING SUCH A HARD TIME. FINDING STAFF AND WE PAY IN THE MIDDLE. WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT STARTED 15. AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME, YOU KNOW, HIGHER PAYING POSITIONS, BUT PEOPLE ARE HAVING MORE AND MORE TROUBLE FINDING A PLACE TO LIVE. OR BEING ABLE TO STAY WHERE THEY LIVE. I WAS TALKING TO ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS WHO LIKE, UM WAS SAID EARLIER HAD HER RENT GO UP ABOUT $700 A MONTH. FROM AROUND 800. SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY, UM CRAZY AND DIFFICULT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE CITY OF STEWART TAKE THE LEAD WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT IT FOR YEARS. WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE TALKING ABOUT IT. IT WOULD REALLY BE GOOD TO SEE THE CITY OF STEWART. TAKE THE LEAD. LOOK AT THAT PROPERTY LOOK SERIOUSLY AT THE HOUSING THAT YOU CAN DO.

FOR THE CITIZENS OF STEWART AND THE ENTIRE COUNTY AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU TO GET IT DONE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SUSIE. UH, VALERIE SLACK. HI MY NAME IS VALERIE SLACK. AND WHILE NOT CURRENTLY A MARTIN COUNTY RESIDENT, I DID GO TO HIGH SCHOOL HERE AND LIVED HERE. WE'RE ABOUT 10 YEARS BACK IN THE EIGHTIES AND EARLY NINETIES, I DO APPRECIATE STEWART AND MARTIN COUNTY. DESIGN. THAT I CAN'T CONTROL. ALL RIGHT, I'LL SPEAK UP. I UM I REPRESENT ARCHITECTS LOCALLY. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS TREASURE COAST CHAPTER. I ALSO SIT ON THE ST LUCIE COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. AND I AM VERY AWARE OF OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS . IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ALL DEALING WITH, UP AND DOWN THE TREASURE COAST AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BUT PARTICULARLY HERE IN FLORIDA PLACE THAT IS SO DESIRABLE THAT PRICES HAVE SKYROCKETED AS WE ALL KNOW. WE HAVE A DEEP NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM. AT THE SAME TIME. I KNOW WE'VE ALL BEEN THROUGH COVID TOGETHER, WRITTEN IT OUT AND GAINED A HUGE APPRECIATION FOR ALL OF OUR FIRST LINE WORKERS ARE HOSPITAL WORKERS ARE FIRST RESPONDERS. ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO KEY AND WHOSE POSITIONS WERE TRYING TO FILL AND STRUGGLING TO DO SO. SAME GOES FOR TEACHERS. UM, WE HAVE THIS TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY WITH THE SMALL PARCEL RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY OF STEWART TO PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR FOLKS WHO CANNOT AFFORD IT, AND PARTICULARLY FOR THE FOLKS IN THOSE PARTICULAR LINES OF WORK. WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THIS HOUSING AND WALK TO WORK HOSPITAL EMPLOYEES. POLICE OFFICERS, FIREFIGHTERS, TEACHERS , ALL OF THEM WOULD BE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE TO JOBS FROM THIS PARTICULAR SITE. WORRIED ABOUT GROWTH. I'D SAY THIS WOULD ACTUALLY REDUCE TRAFFIC YOU'D BE BRINGING IN THE SOLUTION TO PROBLEMS COULD HAVE PEOPLE WALKING TO WORK. IT WOULD REDUCE TRAFFIC IN DOWNTOWN IT WOULD HAVE FEET ON THE STREET FOR LOCAL BUSINESS. IT WOULD INCREASE PEOPLE VISITING THOSE BUSINESSES WHILE DECREASING THE PARKING CRUNCH. IT'S GOOD FOR THE BOTTOM LINE FOR EVERYONE. I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER THIS MEASURE AND LOOK AT THIS SITE WHERE YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR ZONING IS. YOU CAN HAVE 30 60 DIFFERENT NUMBERS OF UNITS ON THIS SITE, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE DENSITY IS THAT'S AGREED UPON FOR IT. YOU'VE GOT OVER 3.5 OF YOU ALMOST 3.5 ACRES AND IT'S JUST A TERRIFIC SITE. YOU COULD DO SO MUCH GOOD WITH SO LITTLE MONEY FOR SO MANY PEOPLE. I

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SPOT TO AT LEAST START WITH YOU CAN BE A MODEL AND THERE ARE OTHER THINGS. IT'S GOT TO START SOMEWHERE, AND YOU GUYS CAN DO IT, AND I THINK YOU CAN DO IT AND STILL RESPECT WHATEVER THE HISTORICAL, UH, PART OF THAT IS YOU CAN ALL GO HABITAT, BUT IT'S A MATTER IF YOU WANT TO DO IT.

SO I ASK YOU TO PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE COMMON GOOD. I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY OF US, WE DON'T WE'RE NOT EVEN AWARE OF IT, BECAUSE WE DON'T WE IT DOESN'T AFFECT US, BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T KNOW JUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT HAPPENING. SO, GUYS, PLEASE HAVE A CONSCIENCE AND YOU KNOW THE COMMON GOOD. OKAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NICK ONE.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. I'M NICK BLANC A LONG TIME. STUART RESIDENT 48 YEARS. ALSO CHAIR THE BOARD CHAIR FOR HOUSING SOLUTIONS COUNCIL HERE IN MARTIN COUNTY AND MEMBER OF MARTIN COUNTY'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE. UM COMMISSIONER CLARK MENTIONED TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL LAST WEEK DISCUSSED AFFORDABLE HOUSING I WAS ABLE TO REPRESENT MARTIN COUNTY AT THAT MEETING AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER SURROUNDING COUNTIES ARE DOING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING , AND I THINK YOU'LL BE PLEASED AND AMAZED AT WHAT ALL IS TAKING PLACE AROUND US, AND WE NEED TO GET ON BOARD AND CATCH UP WITH THOSE COUNTIES IN THAT EFFORT. IN REGARDS TO THE PROPERTY THAT'S ON MARTIN LUTHER KING. I WAS JUST MADE AWARE OF SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT'S BEEN GOING ON REGARDING THAT. BUT I, UH IT'S CERTAINLY MEET SOME OF THE MAIN REQUIREMENTS OF THE NEEDS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AS FAR AS LOCATION IS CONCERNED, AND THAT'S IT. IT'S CLOSE TO SCHOOLS. IT'S CLOSE TO THE PROPOSED NEW BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB . IT'S CLOSE TO MEDICAL FACILITIES CLOSE TO TRANSPORTATION, AND IT MEETS THAT CRITERIA. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE CITY CONSIDERING LOOKING AT ANY PROPERTY THAT'S AVAILABLE WITHIN THE CITY THAT COULD BE USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS MANY TIMES. WE JUST NEED TO STEP IT UP TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND MAKE IT HAPPEN. THANKS THANK YOU, NICK. AND BY THE WAY, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOUR TENNESSEE MOLES. WAS IT TENNESSEE. THEY HAD A BIG WIN ON SATURDAY. SADLY HMM. GAIL, GOLDIE, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. I JUST HAVE TO GET MY ADDRESS. IS THAT WHAT I HAVE TO OK 1153, NORTHWEST 12TH TERRORISTS AND STUART. I JUST WANTED TO BRING TO LIGHT THAT I LOOK AT THIS FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. WE CERTAINLY DO NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND MY QUESTION TO THE COMMISSION IS, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU LOOKED BACK THAT MOST OF THESE

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ACKNOWLEDGE THAT LAND COSTS CONTRIBUTES TO THE OVERALL AFFORDABILITY. WELL STUART THAT SMALL SEASIDE COMMUNITY THAT COMMAND HIGHER EXPENSES. THE DELTA OF LAND COST. IMPORTANT LUCY CAN GO DIRECTLY TO IMPROVE AMENITIES AND HALF OF HOUSING. HIGHER LAND VALUE ONLY RESULT IN COMPROMISE QUALITY. MATERIALS AND SMALLER ACCOMMODATIONS. SWIMMING AGAINST THE CURRENT OF ECONOMICS IS FOOLISH AND COSTLY. AND CONTRADICTS AFFORDABILITY. UM. I ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE IRONY OF ALRIGHT. NEW COMMISSIONERS RUNNING ON NO DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THE VERY FIRST THING. DONE IS PRESENTING THE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KATHLEEN POMMERY, IS THAT CORRECT? CAITLIN? I'M SORRY. HATE LYNN PALMERI. I LIVE IN GOLDEN GATE, ACTUALLY, UM AND I SERVED ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT YOU KNOW, I TOO HEARD A LOT FROM THE COMMISSION. I ALSO, UH, WORK PLAY AND PRAY AND STEWART LOTS OF ACTIVITIES THERE THAT I, YOU KNOW. ENTER INTO ECONOMICALLY AND ANOTHER WAYS. LOTS OF LIKE CAMPAIGN POSITIONS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT HERE AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND LIKE USHER IN THIS SMALL COMMUNITY, AND WE WANT TO SORT OF GET IN THE WAY AND REGULATE THE MARKET. THAT WAY TO HAVE THINGS HAPPEN THE WAY WE WANT THEM TO HAPPEN, WHICH I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, BUT I JUST WONDER LIKE AT WHAT POINT ARE WE GOING TO SAY? WE WANT TO REGULATE THE MARKET A LITTLE IN TERMS OF LIKE OUR TEACHERS AND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND OTHER FOLKS THAT OUR NEIGHBOR IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHO MAYBE CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY THEIR OWN HOME OR FOR OTHER REASONS, NEED TO RENT OR CAN'T AFFORD THESE CRAZY CRAZY HOUSING PRICES. SO JUST A LITTLE LIKE THOUGHT THERE. YOU KNOW, WE ARE GETTING IN THE WAY OF THE MARKET IN SOME WAYS, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT DOING THAT IN TERMS OF LIKE CROW PEOPLE AS WELL, NOT JUST PRO ENVIRONMENT. THANKS THANK YOU. OKAY, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? THAT TOO, SUSAN. IF YOU JUST IF ANYBODY HAS ANY

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STUART, FLORIDA. I LOVE IT, UM, COUPLE THINGS ONE. MOST PEOPLE HAVE HEARD MY STANDARD QUOTE.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISN'T AFFORDABLE UNLESS YOU CAN AFFORD IT. THIS IS ABOUT JOBS AS MUCH AS IT'S ABOUT HOUSING, WE HAVE TO CREATE BETTER JOBS. FOR PEOPLE IN THIS CITY. WE HAVE TO CREATE HIGHER PAYING JOBS. WE HAVE TO CREATE SUSTAINABLE JOBS. BUT I DO WANT TO UNDERSTAND TO MAKE A COMMENT. PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND. HOW COMMERCIAL HOUSING VERSUS RESIDENTIAL HOUSING IS PRICED. THERE WHEN YOU GO BUY A HOUSE. THERE'S AN APPRAISAL DONE, THAT'S BASED ON THE SALES APPROACH OR THE REPLACEMENT OF COST APPROACH, AND THAT'S WHAT DETERMINES THE VALUE. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THERE'S A THIRD CALCULATION. IT'S THE INCOME APPROACH SO AS SOON AS YOU REDUCE THE INCOME, YOU REDUCE THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY. SO AS WE LOOK AT SUBSIDIES AND THE MORE WE SUBSIDIZED, THE LESS VALUABLE THAT PROPERTY BECOMES. WHICH HURTS US FROM AND AFFORDABILITY STANDPOINT, WE'RE PUTTING PEOPLE IN SUB STANDARD HOUSING. WHICH I DON'T WANT TO DO. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. BUT AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE CREATED A LOT OF HOUSING THAT'S LIVING ON THIS ON THIS INCOME APPROACH WHEN YOU HAVE OUTSIDE INVESTORS.

THEY HAVE TO PRODUCE A RETURN. THEY BOUGHT A PROJECT FOR $100 MILLION. THEY NEED TO PRODUCE A CERTAIN RETURN. THAT MEANS THEY CANNOT LOWER THOSE RENTS. THEY WILL NEVER BE AFFORDABLE NOW WHEN YOU TAKE LOCALLY OWNED HOUSING, WHETHER IT'S INDIVIDUALLY OWNED OR LOCALLY OWNED, THEY CAN AFFORD TO TAKE LESS BECAUSE THEY'RE KEEPING THE APPRECIATION. SO THEY CAN AFFORD . IF THEY GET A GOOD TENANT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO RAISE THE RENT QUITE AS MUCH. AND SO WHEN WE HAVE SHIFT FROM CORPORATE HOUSING AWAY FROM HER OWNER, OCCUPIED HOUSING OR OWNER OWNED HOUSING THAT'S LOCAL OWNERSHIP. IT'S AFFECTING THE ABILITY OF PEOPLE TO AFFORD WHERE THEY LIVE . FURTHERMORE IF YOU'RE IN AN APARTMENT AND MARKET PRICES ARE INCREASING, LIKE THEY'VE BEEN INCREASING. YOU'RE GETTING FARTHER AND FARTHER AWAY, YOU ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE HOMELESS. THE LONGER YOU'RE STAYING IN A FACILITY THAT'S NOT KEEPING UP WITH INFLATION. THE LONGER AND FARTHER AWAY. YOUR CHANCES OF SURVIVING AND STAYING HERE ARE GOING AND I DEAL WITH THAT. I'M I'M AN INDIVIDUAL AND DIVORCED. I'M LIVING IN AN APARTMENT. I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT COSTS AND I DON'T HAVE BIG INCOME TO DO THAT. I'M DIVORCED. DO YOU HEAR THAT? SO I DON'T DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INCOME FOR THAT. SO I'M JUST SAYING THE TYPE OF HOUSING AS FAR AS AFFORDABILITY IS VERY IMPORTANT , AND WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THAT. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY ABOUT HOUSING IS IT'S NOT JUST NOT ABOUT RENT. IT'S ABOUT THE UTILITIES, AND WHEN YOUR ELECTRIC GOES UP AND YOUR AND YOUR WATER GOES UP, AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER COSTS GO UP.

EVERYTHING ELSE GOES UP, AND IT MAKES IT THAT MUCH HARDER TO SURVIVE. THANK YOU, JOSEPH COOPER. BRING. COMMISSIONERS YES. JOHN SCOBLE 9069906, SOUTH EAST NINTH STREET. YEAH JUST KIND OF PICK IT BACK ON SOME OF THE THINGS HE HAS TALKED ABOUT, BUT I THINK WE ALWAYS HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BALANCE COST OF LIVING VERSUS WAGES. AND I'VE ALWAYS LAGGED RIGHT. WAGES ALWAYS LAG HISTORICALLY, PART OF AFFORDABILITY IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN AFFORD TO PAY. AND SO THIS IS AFFECTED, NOT JUST THE CITY OF STUART BROAD NATIONWIDE, WHEREAS WE HAVE TO CREATE THIS SO CALLED ADDRESS THAT NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS TO BE A DELICATE BALANCE. EVEN WITH DEVELOPMENT, WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A MIXED USE OF DEVELOPMENT , WHETHER IT'S LOW AND MIDDLE, MODERATE, MEDIUM AND HIGH, AND SO IT'S. IT'S VERY A GREW UP HERE. I KNOW MY PARENTS WERE BUYING HOMES AND 1971 I MEAN, WE HAD A BIG FAMILY COST OF LIVING WAS NOT AS IT WAS STILL HIGHER, BUT THE WAGE WILL MORE BALANCED. THE COUNTRY HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL. WE CONSUME A LOT AND SO , BUT I THINK WITH THE CITY WITHIN THE CITY OF STORY, I THINK IT'S BEEN A GREAT BALANCING ACT THAT HAS OCCURRED AND I KNOW FOLKS ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. YOU KNOW, I'M IN THE BUSINESS CONSTRUCTION, BUT WHEN YOU TRY TO BUILD AFFORDABLE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT WHEN MATERIALS UP COST OF LABORERS UP AND YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD AFFORDABLE. IT IS SOMETIMES UNATTAINABLE AND WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. EVEN WHEN YOU DO SOMETIMES SUBSIDIZED, IT'S A POINT SYSTEM. YOU CAN'T BUILD A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT SOME CREDIT FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND

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THIS IS THE BEST CITY IN THE WORLD HAVE BEEN IN THE MILITARY. I'M A VETERAN. EVERY TIME I WOULD GO ANYWHERE. I COULDN'T WAIT TO GET BACK HOME. THIS IS MY HOME. THIS IS WHERE MY GRANDCHILDREN I HAVE. NINE GRANDCHILDREN HAVE BEEN MARRIED 40 YEARS I'VE BEEN MARRIED FOR 40 YEARS. MY WIFE. WE BOTH WERE BORN AND RAISED DURING STEWART. WE WENT TO MARTIN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL, DAVE. AH THIS IS A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHAT IT IS. IS THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME IN HERE? THAT BUILD ALL OF THESE APARTMENTS. THEY'RE NOT FROM HERE. THEY COME TO MAKE THEY COME TO A. THEY GET ALL THIS BEAUTIFUL SON. THAT'S GREAT LIVING THAT WE HAVE HERE IN STORIES. BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS THAT WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE AND NOW THEY'RE BEING PUSHED OUT. WE NEED TO CONSIDER WE NEED TO CONSIDER EACH OTHER. YOU KNOW, THE WORD SAYS, YOU KNOW, TREAT ME THE WAY I WANT TO BE TREATED WHERE YOU WANT TO BE TREATED. I WANT US TO LOVE EACH OTHER. WE GOD LOVES US. IF WE WERE TO SHOW LOVE FOR EVERYONE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM.

WE GOT THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN HERE AND MAKE IT EASY, CRAZY. I MEAN, WHO CAN AFFORD TO ABOUT ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT FOR 1500? THAT'S MORE THAN MY MORTGAGE. YOU'RE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THOSE APARTMENTS. IF YOU'RE SPENDING $5000 ON THE PART UNLESS YOU'RE MAKING 50 60 70,000 YEAR. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE GOT PEOPLE THAT REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT PEOPLE. THEY WANT TO CARE ABOUT MONEY. THAT'S ALL THEY CARE ABOUT. BUT THIS IS A WONDERFUL CITY. A WONDERFUL CITY AND WE HAVE GREAT PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS CITY. WE GOT GREAT COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE A GREAT POLICE DEPARTMENT. EVERYTHING HERE IS GREAT. PEOPLE WISH THEY COULD BE LIKE STEWART. THERE ARE STILL OTHER CITIES THAT ARE TERRIBLE. THERE ARE TERRIBLE.

BUT WE HAVE THIS JEWEL THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE A PART OF DON'T LET US JUST LET THIS THING GO AWAY. DON'T LET PEOPLE COME AND TAKE THIS FROM US. THIS IS OUR HOME. LET'S TREAT IT LIKE IT'S OUR HOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JOE FLANAGAN. THANK YOU, JOE. GOOD EVENING. WHEN I MOVED HERE IN 1989. I BOUGHT MY HOUSE FOR $72,000. AND AS A BEGINNING TEACHER BACK THEN OR NOT QUITE BEGINNING I MADE ABOUT $35,000. SO ABOUT DOUBLE MY SALARY WOULD BUY ME A HOUSE IN TWO YEARS. UM, WHEN I RETIRED THREE YEARS AGO FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAD BEEN 39 YEARS MASTERS DEGREE ADMINISTRATOR SO I WAS MAKING ABOUT $80,000 A YEAR. MY HOUSE TODAY IS WORTH $325,000, ACCORDING TO ZILLOW. AND MORE ON THE REAL ESTATE. PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT, BUT THE THING IS, I LIVE BENEATH MY MEANS. TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH HOUSE AND RAISED A FAMILY OF FOUR. I CAN VACUUM MY WHOLE HOUSE FROM ONE OUTLET. YEAH IT'S THAT MINE IS WHAT WOULD BE CATEGORIZED AS A STARTER HOME. THAT'S WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE IN STUART IN MARTIN COUNTY. WE DON'T HAVE STARTER HOMES. MY OLDEST SON, GOD BLESS HIM. 30 YEARS OLD. HE DOES NOT WANT TO LIVE IN MY HOUSE. HE DOES AN INDIAN TOWN. AND HE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN INDIAN TOWN. EVEN THE RATES

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BUT IF WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE, EITHER IN STARTER HOMES OR THE WORKFORCE. I LOVE THE IDEA. I USED TO MAKE THE COMMENT. MY TEACHERS CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. AND THEY NEED TO AND ALL THE SERVICES AND EVERYTHING IN THAT MID MANAGEMENT, PLEASE. ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO HELP US.

MOVE FORWARD. I WILL END WITH THIS. I KNOW THE STATE LEGISLATORS HAVE TAKEN AWAY A LOT OF THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY. WE USED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A DENSITY BONUS. IF IT'S ZONED FOR THIS AMOUNT, WE CAN ADD FIVE OR SIX OR SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE. BUT IN TURN, YOU WILL NOW GIVE US THIS. THAT'S KIND OF GONE AWAY. IT'S NOT AS GOOD AS IT USED TO BE. SO WE HAVE BEEN WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE THOSE DEALS WITH DEVELOPERS. SO A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED HERE RECENTLY. YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL. IT WAS SAID, WELL, YOU GUYS APPROVED IT. IF YOU SAY NO. YOU GETTING ALL KINDS OF TROUBLE. I CAN GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT FROM FROM EXPERIENCING THINGS SO ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO MAKE IT SO MY SON CAN HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE IN , STUART. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JOE WILL OFFLINE. HELLO MY NAME IS WALL OFFLINE. 11 9 50 SOUTH CANADA HIGHWAY UNIT C 23. I LIVE IN AN APARTMENT, SO AND I'VE SEEN SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS LOSE THEIR ABILITY TO LIVE IN MY LITTLE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD THE RENT. I'M FULLY AWARE AH, THE CRISIS THAT WE FACE, THE CRISIS THAT WE FACE IS A DIRECT RESULT. OF HIGH INFLATION. WHAT CAUSES THAT HIGH INFLATION GOVERNMENT? OKAY, THE GOVERNMENT'S DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THE ART PROBLEM. PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT. AND NOW IT'S THE CLASSIC HEGELIAN DIALECTIC. THE GOVERNMENT CAUSES THE PROBLEM. PEOPLE HAVE THEY COMPLAIN BECAUSE THEY GOT A PROBLEM, AND NOW THEY COME BACK TO THE GOVERNMENT TO HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEM. I WOULD JUST SAY I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT GETTING INVOLVED. WITH, UM WHAT SHOULD BE A PRIVATE ENTERPRISE. FOR EXAMPLE, EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES THAT SOCIALISM IS A FAILURE. IS FELT IN EVERY EVERY COUNTRY IN EVERY LOCATION. THEY WOULD ALSO PROBABLY RECOGNIZE THAT CAPITALISM HAS BEEN A GREAT SUCCESS HAS BROUGHT MANY PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY. BUT YET HERE WE ARE PEOPLE ASKING FOR SOCIALISM. ESSENTIALLY. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT? SHOULD WE BE INVOLVED WITH THIS ANYWAY? I DO AGAIN RECOGNIZE THERE'S A MASSIVE PROBLEM. I DEAL WITH IT . MY I'VE LOST NEIGHBORS, SO BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR DECISIONS AND GOOD LUCK TO YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS TO CAMPBELL RICH AND CHRIS COLLINS FOR WINNING AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND REMARKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY I THINK THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'LL GO BACK TO THE ITEM THAT I COVERED UP MY PEN AND MISSED. SO UH, ITEM ONE, WHICH IS THE PROPOSED FORM BASED

[1. PROPOSED FORM BASED CODE FOR THE EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CREEK DISTRICT, PRESENTED BY THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL]

IT'S VERY NICE OF THESE PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND SHARE THEIR CONCERN. PERHAPS WE COULD GET THEM A ROUGH IDEA WHEN WE MIGHT GET TO THE DISCUSSION. ABOUT THE ISSUE THEY ALL SPOKE TO, BECAUSE AS MUCH AS WE DON'T MIND SITTING HERE FOR THREE HOURS. I'M NOT SURE. WHEN WE GET IT'S GONNA BE THE UNREASONABLE OR REASONABLE REQUEST. I KNOW IT SHOULDN'T BE LONG. SEYMOUR'S PRESENTATION IS QUITE LENGTHY. YEAH, UM WELL, IF IT'S THE IF IT'S THE WISH OF THE COMMISSION, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE FOR THE CREEK DISTRICT AS WELL. SO I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE CREEK DISTRICT BUT WEEKEND IF IT'S OKAY, IF THE COMMISSION WE CAN MAKE IT THE FIRST ITEM ON THE DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION BECAUSE ONCE WE GET THROUGH THE CREEK DISTRICT, IT'LL GO PRETTY FAST. THE AGENDA I BELIEVE OKAY, IS THAT WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSION OKAY? SO WE'LL DO THAT WE'LL DO THAT FIRST AS THE FIRST DND. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. MR MAYOR. OKAY OKAY. THANK YOU. PANEL GANDHI SALVE DOES, UM, FOR THE RECORD, SIERRA DIRECTOR I'M JUST GONNA INTRODUCE THE ITEM. AS YOU KNOW, STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE FORM BASED CODE FOR OVER A YEAR , AND I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY GO OVER ALL THE TIME LINE. THE TWO AREAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. IS

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BUILD A HOME BUILDING ADDITION, BUILD A BUSINESS AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT THESE ARE THE RULES AND THE REGULATIONS FOR FUTURE PROJECTS THAT DOESN'T AFFECT YOUR EXISTING STRUCTURES IF THEY DO DEVIATE IN ANY WAY. A FROM WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. WE HAVE, UM TRY TO HONOR AS MANY OF THE EXISTING STANDARDS THAT ARE THERE TODAY, SO THE PROPERTIES DO COMPLY WITH THE NEW STANDARDS. AND THIS TOOL IS THIS LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, ALSO KNOWN AS ZONING CODES ARE REALLY A TOOL FOR STAFF AND FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO BE ABLE TO

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THIS IS, UH, THIS IS TO THE NORTH AND MLK AND THIS IS ON 10TH STREET NURSES DIXIE LANE FOR ANYONE WHO IS FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA. UM THESE ARE GOING THESE ARE RECOMMENDED TO GO INTO THE E STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD. FOR THAT SAME REASON YOU'LL NOTE THAT THIS IS COMPLETELY BUILT OUT. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT CHANGING THE BUILT IN FABRIC, BUT IT TIES INTO SOME OF THE OTHER REGULATIONS THAT WILL TOUCH UPON LATER ABOUT. THOROUGHFARES STANDARDS, WHICH ARE ANOTHER WORD FOR STREET STANDARDS. SIDEWALK STANDARDS. UM AND THEN THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES IF A PROPERTY IS REDEVELOPED THAT IT CAN, UM TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THE SETBACKS AND POLICIES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. UM OF THESE PROPERTIES. THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS VACANT AND IT HAS ALREADY APPROVED SITE PLAN FOR DAYCARE CENTER. UM I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT ALTHOUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAY ALLOW FOR UP TO, UM 30 DWELLING UNITS EIGHT BY ANGER BY A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. UH THE ZONING IS ACTUALLY CAPPED AT 17 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. SO ALTHOUGH IT MAY THE COMPREHENSIVE MAY HAVE THAT, UM THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE. THE ZONING BRINGS IT BACK DOWN TO THE RECOMMENDED ZONING BRINGS IT BACK DOWN TO THE 17 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. UM SO WHEN YOU ADD ALL THOSE CHANGES UP IF THERE WAS A, UH YOU KNOW, LARGE SCALE REDEVELOPMENT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENCE OF 20 DWELLING UNITS, UM, ADDITIONAL TRAINING UNITS IN THIS DISTRICT AGAIN, MUCH OF IT IS BUILT OUT.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MOVE ANYONE OUT OF WHAT'S EXISTING TODAY. SO THAT'S JUST BUT WE LIKE TO DO THIS KIND OF ANALYSIS SO THAT WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADED. AH, THIS IS THAT ZONING MAP. I THINK THIS TODAY AND SO TODAY. THIS IS PRIMARILY WHERE E STEWART. UM THAT'S EASTER OR FUTURE LAND USE IN THE E. STEWART ZONING DISTRICTS ARE COLLECTED AND WE ARE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRETY OF THE MLK AND THE 10TH STREET AREA. UM THE REGULATING PLAN RECOMMENDS A FEW CHANGES TO WHERE ZONING CATEGORIES ARE. THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IS IMPORTANT. UM WE HEARD OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THE EAST. STEWART IS A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT RESIDENTIAL IS THE IMPORTANT FACTOR IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM AND THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HAVE BEEN REALLY THE, UM, STABILITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO RIGHT NOW, THIS THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE, THERE WAS A BIG DESIRE TO BRING THAT BACK INTO WHAT'S CALLED THE S F, D, OR THE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX DESIGNATION BECAUSE BEFORE IT HAD THIS DESIGNATION, WHICH IS CALLED G R O GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OFFICE. SO WE WANTED TO HONOR THAT, UM, DESIRE. AND ABOUT THE STREETS ALREADY. THIS IS THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS, AND YOU'LL NOTE THAT, UNLIKE A TYPICAL ZONING MAP, THIS HAS A FEW EXTRA FEATURES TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF CERTAIN PROPERTIES IN THE AREA, INCLUDING CIVIC SITES AND THE EXISTING PONDS AND STORM WATER FEATURES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

SAME THING WITH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. THIS IDENTIFIES, UM, OPPORTUNITIES UNIMPROVED RIGHT OF WAYS. UM, AND THE NETWORK OF STREETS AND SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THERE. THIS IS THE ZONING RECOMMENDATION CHART AND AGAIN, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WHEN WE TRY TO SIMPLIFY THIS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, SO IT'S AS EASY AS POSSIBLE TO COMPARE IT APPLES TO APPLES AND, UM, HOPEFULLY IT'S LEGIBLE HERE WILL BE POSTING THESE CHARTS ONTO THE LANDING PAGE. THAT PANEL MENTIONED ALREADY SO THAT THEY'RE ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE. AH, UM. THESE, UM MOST OF THE STANDARDS CARRY THROUGH, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE DENSITY REMAINS THE SAME BETWEEN WHAT IS THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DENSITY AND THE PROPOSED OF SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX THE HEIGHTS ARE MADE ARE CONSISTENT WITH TWO STORIES. ALTHOUGH WE DID BUMP UP THE HEIGHT OF THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT, AND THAT'S TO REFLECT MODERN BUILDING STANDARDS. UM YOU KNOW, IN THE 19 FIFTIES AND THE 19 SEVENTIES, IT WAS VERY IT WAS TYPICAL TO HAVE NOT ONLY SHORTER. AH, UM FLORIDA CEILING HEIGHTS, BUT ALSO YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS INSULATION AND, UM, THE ROOF PITCHES TO SHED WATER. IT'S THIS ALLOWS FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE FOR THOSE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, BUT ALSO FOR THE MODERN BUILDING CODES. AH WE

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AWAY FROM THE FRONT OF THE STREET, NOT 20. FT. 20 FT IS A MUCH MORE TYPICAL SETBACK FOR, UM YOU KNOW, MORE LARGER PLANTED , UH, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THESE THESE ARE LIKE LOTS ARE USUALLY THAT'S AT THE SMALLEST THERE ABOUT 100 BY 36. THIS PROVIDES FOR MORE SPACE FOR THOSE UNITS. UM AND WE ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS OR OUTBUILDINGS THAT ALLOW FOR GENERATIONAL LIVING, AND THIS ALLOWS THOSE TO BE BUILT IN THE REAR MORE EASILY. UM AGAIN FOR THE G R O BRINGING A LOT OF THOSE HEIGHTS CONSISTENT THROUGH THE DENSITY.

WE DID ACKNOWLEDGE THE 17TH DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. UM THAT'S PERMITTED WITHIN THE COM PLANT AND BROUGHT THAT THROUGH. UM IT'S WHAT'S PERMITTED IN THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. AND THAT'S BECAUSE IF YOU BUILD ON EACH ONE OF THESE PLANTED LOTS OF RECORD IN EAST STUART, YOU'RE MUCH CLOSER TO 17 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. UM AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A YOU KNOW. YOU PUT ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON EACH. PLATT. YOU'RE AT 17 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. UM SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ACKNOWLEDGED IN THOSE THOSE LIKE ZONING REGULATIONS. AND VERY SIMILARLY. HERE WE ALLOW FOR THE AGAIN AND THEN A LITTLE MORE HEIGHT TO ALLOW FOR THE REALITIES OF BUILDING TODAY IN THE FACT THAT YOU NEED MORE OF THAT SPACE FOR YOUR H V. A C.

THE INSULATION BUILT ADHERING TO FLORIDA BUILDING CODE. UM I ALSO WANT TO NOTE YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS A PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL AREA. UM WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO ABOUT WHAT FOLKS HAVE PERMITTED RIGHTS TO TODAY. SO ONE OF THE, UM, ELEMENTS YOU'LL NOTE THAT HAS CHANGED IS THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOUR STORIES HAS BEEN STRENGTHENED BECAUSE WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE SURE THAT WHENEVER A FOUR STORY HEIGHT IS COMING FORWARD THAT IT HAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THAT COMMUNITY WORKSHOP AND OUTREACH ELEMENT. UM, WE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT FOUR STORIES BEING BUILT IN EAST STEWART. SO WE'VE KEYED IN THIS EXTRA LAYER OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH THAT NEEDS TO BE ACHIEVED AS PART OF THAT. UM WE INTRODUCED FRONTAGE TYPES NOW, FRONTAGE TYPES ARE MY FAVORITE PIECE OF LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. UM AND YOU DON'T HEAR VERY MANY PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THEIR FAVORITE PARTS OF LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. SO UM, THESE ARE MY FAVORITE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT PROMOTES A SENSE OF COMMUNITY A SENSE OF SMALL TOWN CHARM. THESE ARE THE ELEMENTS THAT KEEP, UM BROUGHT A PROJECT FROM BEING A BEAR FACADE TO ITS STREET. IT HELPS PROMOTE ACTIVE SIDEWALKS. UM WE TALKED WE HEARD EARLIER. THE TERM FEET ON THE STREET. AND THESE ARE WHAT HELPS KEEP. UM THOSE THOSE PLACES ENGAGED AND VISIBLE AND SAFE AS THESE FRONTAGE TYPES. SO INSIDE THE FRONTAGE PIPES YOU DON'T NEED TO ADHERE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES HERE, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO ADHERE TO SOME OF THE DIMENSIONAL CRITERIA THAT'S OUT LAID. UM AND BECAUSE THOSE DIMENSIONAL CRITERIAS HAVE PURPOSE, RIGHT, UM THE PORCH NEEDS TO BE DEEP ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY OCCUPY IT. IT'S NOT JUST FOR AN AESTHETIC EFFECT. UM YOU NEED TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WINDOWS AND OPENINGS WITHIN THE PROJECT. NOW WE HAVE RECEIVED PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT HOW DO YOU ADDRESS PORCHES THAT ARE RAISED OFF THE GROUND AND 88 ACCESSIBILITY AND WE REALLY WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THIS ISSUE, BECAUSE, UM, WE ALL WANT TO AGE IN PLACE. WE ALL HEARD A LOT ABOUT, UM, THE CONCERNS ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, AND THERE'S NOTHING MORE AFFORDABLE THAN THE HOME YOU ALREADY OWN. UM SO WE WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS, UM, SO WE WERE. WE'VE BEEN REACHED OUT TO BY THE LOCAL A CHAPTER AND WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO WORK WITH SHOP WITH EVERYONE THERE ABOUT WHAT ARE THE RIGHT MECHANISMS TO GET THROUGH THAT? UM BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT AGAIN. THIS IS A HARMONY STEWART. IT'S JUST GOT RE WINDOWED. THEY'RE THEY'RE REFURBISHING IT. IT'S GOT THAT LOVELY CONDITION OF BEING UP OFF THE GROUND, WHICH HELPED MITIGATES UM, WATER. AND YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF STEWART ALREADY HAS SOME REALLY GREAT POLICIES ABOUT HOW TO NOT SHED WATER ON OUR NEIGHBORS, SO WE WANT TO ENHANCE THAT. UM WE ALSO HAVE BUILDING TYPES AND

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STEWART UM, GLOSSED OVER THIS BECAUSE OF WHEN WE WENT OVER THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, BUT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FEATURES OF WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IN THE CODE IS THAT THIS BE EMU SO EVERYWHERE. MIDDLE BACK TO THE MAP. SO ALL OF THESE AREAS IN THIS BRIGHT PINK RIGHT? SO THIS IS MLK. THIS IS EAST. UM THEY THIS IS LAKE ALONG HERE RIGHT NOW. YOU'RE NOT PERMITTED TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. UM IT MUST BE A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT WITH WITH A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT . SO WE WANT TO RECTIFY THAT. UM THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WANT TO HAVE A FLEXIBILITY OF BUILDING TYPES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IN ADDITION TO THE COMMERCIAL THAT IS PERMITTED TODAY, WE ALSO WANT TO PERMIT THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO COME INTO THIS AREA AS WELL. AND THEN AGAIN, THE BUILDING TYPES. ARE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ILLUSTRATING WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE, UM, WIN CERTAIN BUILDING TYPES COME ONLINE. YOU KNOW, A DUPLEX DOESN'T HAVE TO LOOK LIKE A DUPLEX WITH WITHOUT A PORCH. YOU CAN HAVE A PORCH. YOU CAN HAVE CHARACTER. YOU CAN ACHIEVE PARKING IN THE REAR PARKING ON THE SIDE. WE INTRODUCE A COTTAGE COURT, WHICH IS A BUILDING TYPE THAT ALLOWS FOR A SERIES OF, UM SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR A SERIES OF SMALL COTTAGES ON A PLANET LOT. APARTMENT HOUSES, WHICH INCLUDE, UM LOW DENSITY, BUT MULTI UNIT, UH, LIVING WITHIN, UM WITHIN THAT FABRIC, AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE ONLY PERMITTED WITHIN WHAT'S TODAY CALLED THE G, R O AND B M U, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE PERMITTED TODAY, TOO. SO NO CHANGE. JUST THE ILLUSTRATIONS. UM AND THEY THESE FRONTAGE TYPE SUPPLIED. SO THAT'S THE END OF THE EAST STEWART PRESENTATION. UM, DO UM , MAYOR. WOULD YOU LIKE TO PAUSE FOR QUESTIONS HERE? KEEP GOING. QUESTIONS ON THE EAST STEWART PRESENTATION BEFORE SHE GOES TO CREEK. UM, ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A FEW I HAVE SOME, TOO. COMMISSIONER CLARK WENT AHEAD AND START OKAY, I'M GONNA START WITH MR MORE TILL SO, UM, SO I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT. I'VE TALKED TO HER. I MET WITH HER AND MET WITH SOME RESIDENTS. UH MORE INTERESTED, BUT, UM I KNOW SHE MENTIONED, UH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A GROUP THAT WOULD HELP TO ADVISE LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR OR SOMETHING. I KNOW THAT I HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE WHEN I TRIED TO BRING UP THAT, UM OH, HISTORIC DESIGNATION DISTRICT AREA AND TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF ADVISER BORDER OMBUDSMAN BOARD FROM EAST STEWART TO REALLY TALK ABOUT ISSUES AND WHAT CONCERNS OF PEOPLE AND HOW THINGS WOULD BE, UM, ALMOST LIKE SOMEWHAT APPROVED IN THERE BASED ON GUIDELINES, AND I KNOW THAT SHE MENTIONED ACES. AND WE HAVE THE CRB AND WE HAVE THE L. PA WHICH IS A PART OF OUR ZONING AND LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT GOES THROUGH WITH THE CITY COMMISSION AND S IS NOT ONE OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS. IT IS A COMMUNITY GROUP. IT MAY OR MAY NOT EXIST FROM TIME TO TIME. AND UM, SO, MR MORTAL, SINCE THIS HAS COME UP AGAIN, UM HAVING THE CORD AND IF WE APPROVE ACCORD THIS PARTICULAR THING FOR EAST STEWART, UM DO WE NEED TO LOOK INTO HAVING AH, GROUP THAT'S ALMOST LIKE AN ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY GROUP OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WOULD GIVE THE THAT WOULD BE SAID THAT WOULD HAVE HAVE THEM BE THE ADVISORS OR THE COMMITTEE. OR WOULD WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR REGULAR CRB FOR CERTAIN THINGS BASED ON WHAT ARE CURRENT GUIDELINES IS HAS TO GO TO THE CRB AND ALSO WHAT GOES TO THE L P A. IN TERMS OF LAND, USE ZONING CHANGES OR COME UM, PLAN CHANGES. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST A CASUAL THING OF HAVING SOME ORGANIZATION JUST TALKED TO THE DIRECTOR. THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS THAT WHEN YOU ADOPT OF WHEN YOU ADOPT A FORM BASED CODE, OR FOR THAT MATTER, ANY CODE. IT SHOULD NOT BE YOUR INTENTION TO HAVE LAND USE CHANGES. YOU SHOULD RELY ON THE PLANNING OF THIS IS THE LAND USE, AND THIS IS THE CODE FOR A LONG TERM RELATES TO ANY BOARD WHETHER IT'S L P A OR EVEN THE CITY COMMISSION. WE SHOULDN'T

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YOU MENTIONED ALSO THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, SO PUT OFF BALANCE WHEN ALL DANNY SAUNDERS UM, UPDATE YOU WITH THAT? I THINK. YEAH. SO UM WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DESIGNATING EAST GEORGIA HISTORIC HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WE HAVE SUBMITTED PRELIMINARY SITE. IT'S CALLED PRELIMINARY SITE INFORMATION QUESTIONNAIRE TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.

THEY'RE REVIEWING THE THAT RIGHT NOW AND ONCE, UM THEY DETERMINED THAT IT CAN BE DESIGNATED WILL GO THROUGH ANOTHER PROCESS OF ACTUALLY GIVING THAT DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANKS AND THAT WILL SERVE TO REALLY KEEP THAT SENSE OF PLACE AND HAVE PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY CAN BE THERE AND REMAIN THERE HAVE THAT TYPE OF HOUSING THAT ITS HISTORICAL AND TRADITIONALLY BEFORE, EVEN IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS, MR MR MAYOR, CAN I JUST CONTINUE? I WANT I HOPE I WON'T BE LONG. I KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION ALMOST 12 YEARS. AND I THINK ABOUT THE LAND USER, MAYBE BECAUSE THE SCHOOL BOARD IS ALL ONTO ITS OWN SELF LIKE A LITTLE. NOT A FAITH THEM WITH SOMETHING. SCHOOL WORKS ON THIS SONG. SORRY BUT, UM, YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'VE NEVER COME IN FOR ANY CHANGES, BUT I'M SURPRISED THAT MAYBE IT HASN'T JUST COME UP THAT IN OUR CITY THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY WAS NEVER DESIGNATED GOVERNMENT OR INSTITUTIONAL FOR THE SPECTRUM ACADEMY, WHICH IS ALL TRADITIONS. STEWART TRAINING SCHOOL 1933. TWO THROUGH 1939.

SOMETIME ABOUT THAT TIME IT WAS ESTABLISHED, AND I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT IT WAS NEVER.

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UM WHEN WE ASKED FOR THE HISTORIC DID THAT DESIGNATION OF E. STEWART WHERE DO WE GO WITH THE CORRIDOR OF MARTIN LUTHER KING IN TERMS OF NORTH AND SOUTH OF MARTIN LUTHER KING JR BOULEVARD? NOT EVEN CAME UP EARLIER WHEN WE MENTIONED SOME PEOPLE IN THEIR COMMENTS MENTIONED ABOUT THE BUILDINGS ALONG THE THAT THAT, UM, WHERE THE PUBLIC WORKS, GARAGES AND, UM, I KNOW IT ALSO CAME UP WHEN WE HAD THE BALL PARK. ISSUES SOME YEARS AGO. AND WHAT IS HE STEWART AND WHAT IS NOT E. STEWART NORTH AND SOUTHERN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND THINK ABOUT. I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP. YOU DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT, UM, COULD ANSWER SOMETHING. YOU'RE OKAY. WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING A SURVEY OF OUR DOWNTOWN AND EAST STEWART. UH TO SEE WHICH PROPERTIES WOULD QUALIFY THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. WE'RE GOING TO BE UPDATING OUR SURVEY NEXT YEAR, AND THAT WILL KIND OF GIVE US AN IDEA OF HOW TO EXPAND THE BOUNDARY OR DO WE KEEP THE EXISTING EASTER BOUNDARIES, SO THAT SURVEY IS IMPORTANT AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION ONCE IT'S COMPLETED. OKAY? AND THEN BACK AGAIN TO MR MOORE TELL AND OR PLANNER. PLANNERS. UM. THIS IDEA OF THE COMPLAINT WITH THE 30 DWELLING UNITS IN THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT, DESIGNATION OF LAND USE, BUT THE ACTUAL ZONING ON THERE NOW, WHICH I THINK THE ZONING IS THE EAST STEWART ZONE IN, UM WITH A 17 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. AND IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME IN, LIKE ALONG 10 STREET WHERE WE HAVE THE OLD TALE OF PROPERTY AND WANTED TO COME IN WITH A P, U D OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THAT MAY FALL SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE 17 AND 30 UNITS, UM AH, HOW DO WE BALANCE THAT? AND WHEN WE APPROVED THIS, UM NEW CHANGE? IS THERE ANY ROOM FOR THAT TYPE OF, UM BALANCE, MR MARTEL. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY'VE INCLUDED THE OPTION FOR THE COMMISSION TO HEAR THE U. D S SO WILL NOT IMPACT THAT AT ALL. JUST WOULD BE A HIGHER STANDARD THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD HOLD THE APPLICANT TO SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE FOR DEVIATING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST WANT AGAIN. I JUST WANT TO BRING THESE THINGS UP. UM EAST AVENUE . OF COURSE YOU'VE COVERED THAT VERY WELL THAT THAT PINK AREA

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UM, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE TIME BECAUSE THIS IS A CODE, UM , TYPE UPDATE, BUT, UM, OF COURSE OPPORTUNITY, MAYBE THERE IF IT WERE EVER NEEDED TO MAKE THAT STRAIGHT ACROSS, IN FACT, THAT EVEN CAME UP THE OTHER DAY WHEN PEOPLE WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE RAILROAD TRACK AND HOW THEY THOUGHT THAT THE FLORIDA STREET WAS CONSTRAINED. AT A ONE A AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE COULD BE SOMETHING WIDER OR BETTER, UM , YOU KNOW THAT WE JUST THOUGHT THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF ISSUES GOING ON THERE BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE AN INTERSECTION AT FLORIDA STREET AND A ONE ENDED AN INTERSECTION FOR THE LESS THAN A THIRD OF A MILE TO THE SOUTH OF IT, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF THINGS GOING ON THERE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. UM YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT EXISTING THOROUGHFARES AND THEIR ABILITY TO FACILITATE DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THE POTENTIAL CODE IS THAT WELL, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT THIS DOES WANTED IDENTIFIES WHERE WE HAVE UNDER UNIMPROVED RIGHT OF WAYS BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT TO LOOK AT A ZONING MAPS. SOMETIMES IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT AREA IN FRONT OF YOU AND IDENTIFY WHERE YOUR ACTUAL CONNECTIONS ARE AND HOW PEOPLE GET PLACES OR KEY TO YOU KNOW HOW HOW THE CITY WORKS RIGHT, SO AND IT ALSO REMINDS US THAT WE HAVE CERTAIN ASSETS WITHIN OUR, UM, OUR AREA AS A CITY, UM, THAT CAN SERVE ANOTHER PURPOSE OR, UM, BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY HAVEN'T NEVER THERE FOR AMBITION, BUT THAT'S IT'S JUST SO WE CAN KEEP A RECORD OF WHAT WHAT'S THERE WITH US ASSETS ARE AND ALSO TO MAINTAIN FUTURE CAN YOU KNOW AND ENCOURAGE FUTURE CONNECTIONS? BECAUSE IF YOU SPEND ANY TIME IN EAST STUART, THIS COMMUNITY IS, UM, HAS EMBRACED ITS SIDEWALKS. THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE WALKING AND BIKING AND USING GO KARTS AND YOU KNOW, A WHOLE HOST OF MOBILITY IN THIS AREA, SO THE SIDEWALKS THOSE CONNECTIONS ARE KEY TO GET PEOPLE TO JOB CENTERS TO THEIR SCHOOLS. UM SO WE WANNA ELEVATE THOSE IMPORTANCE IN THE CODE. OKAY THANK YOU. MR UM, MAYOR, I'M GONNA FINISH IN A

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SO MOST OF THOSE RIGHT AWAYS ARE ONLY ABOUT 40. FT UM, THERE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE RIGHT OF WAY. SO WE ILLUSTRATED SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS. NOW THESE ARE TOOLS FOR FOLKS IF DEVELOPMENT COMES INTO SOME OF THESE LARGER PROPERTIES WHERE THEY CAN, THE STAFF CAN POINT TO THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS AND SET EXPECTATIONS FOR WHAT THOSE THOSE FRONTAGE IS, SHOULD BE LIKE ALONG THE SIDEWALKS REGARDING APPROPRIATE LIGHTING APPROPRIATE, UH, SHADE TREES APPROPRIATE PARKING ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS. THEY REALLY DID. THERE'S A DOCUMENTATION OF WHAT THOSE THE SIDEWALKS ARE LIKE, UM, THERE IS A MINIMUM STANDARD FOR SIDEWALKS OF AT LEAST SIX FT OR IN THOSE AREAS IN THOSE THOROUGHFARES STANDARDS NOW FOR THE CREEK DISTRICT. IT GOES INTO A LOT MORE DETAIL. THERE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THOSE ARE WIDER RIGHT OF WAYS AND THERE'S MORE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY. SO YOU NEED TO ACCOMMODATE MORE THINGS ON THE SIDEWALKS, RIGHT SO UM, THESE CODES ARE VERY TAILORED TO THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, UM EUCLIDEAN CLOSE CODES OR CONVENTIONAL CODES THEY GO REALLY MUCH MORE BROAD STROKED, AND THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC TO THOSE AREAS. SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MANY ILLUSTRATIONS. THERE'S CHARTS AND THAT'S YOU KNOW, PART OF THE REASON WHY I TALKED SO LONG, SO OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN THEY, UM THE PORCH IS I KNOW THAT YOU HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT PEOPLE WANT AGENT PLACE, AND WHEN THESE AREAS ARE SO CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK, HOW DO YOU GET IN THERE? RAISED ABOVE THE ROAD MORE THAN 18 INCHES. 21 INCHES, UH, UNDER 18 INCHES BASED ON THE R CODE, UM, WHERE THE HOW DO YOU GET ACCESSIBILITY FOR RAMPS AND HAVE IT AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN? AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A RAMP OR IF THEY'RE PUT IN A HABITAT HOME THAT REQUIRES AROUND TO BE BUILT IN AS A PART OF THE HABITAT HOME REQUIREMENTS. JUST GIVE US A LITTLE HIGHLIGHT ON THAT. SURE I MEAN, ONE OF THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE LOOK SO IN DEPTH INTO WHAT THESE SETBACKS ARE SO THAT THERE'S SPACE TO BUILD RAMPS WHEN THEY NEED TO BE SO THEY COULD BE ALONG THE SIDE IN THE FRONT OR THEY COULD BE ALONG IN THE REAR. IDEALLY IN THE FRONT OR THE SIDE. UM AND THEN WE'VE ALSO TALKED WITH THE SIERRA ABOUT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING SOME OF THESE COSTS INCURRED IF THERE ARE ANY, UM, BUILT INTO THE FACADE GRANT PROGRAM, AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, ESPECIALLY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE COSTS WHILE STILL MAINTAINING THAT FRONT PORCH CHARACTER AND ALLOWING PEOPLE TO AGE IN PLACE.

AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE STILL IN CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS AT THE AI A. WHO'D HAVE REACHED OUT TO US ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, SO WHEN WE COME BACK IN, PROBABLY IN ON OCTOBER 11TH OR DEFINITELY BEFORE WE GO BEFORE THE L P A WITH THE ADOPTION OF AN UPDATED DRAFT THAT REFLECTS THOSE THOSE COMMENTS. AND AS A MATTER OF CLARIFICATION, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE CODE IS.

UM THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, IF, IN FACT A PERSON HAS A IDENTIFIABLE DISABILITY UNDER THE ADA. THEY'RE ENTITLED TO A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION AND AS A RESULT, IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME IN AND SAY, I CAN'T BUILD THE HOUSE I WANT TO BUILD BASED UPON THIS DIRECTION BECAUSE I NEED A WHEELCHAIR ACCESS THE CITY. COULD GRANT A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION AND WAVE THAT HEIGHT RESTRICTION FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL HOME RATHER THAN HAVING THE ENTIRE CODE BE DISRUPTED BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE ONE OR TWO HOMES IN THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE THAT DISCREPANCY. THE BETTER METHOD WOULD BE TO JUST HAVE THAT AVAILABLE AS A MEANS TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE INDIVIDUALS AS NECESSARY. WHETHER IT'S WHEELCHAIR OR BRAILLE, OR OR LIGHTING OR SOMETHING THAT BECAUSE OF VISUAL IMPAIRMENTS, ETCETERA TO INCLUDE IN THE COURT

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I KNOW IT'S KIND OF AN ECLECTIC ZONING RIGHT NOW IN EAST STEWART WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY AT 17, BUT FOR ME, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THAT EXTEND TO ALL OF THE STUART TOWARDS ITS OWN ZONING.

UM I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT AS UNIFORM WITH THE REST OF THE CITY AT 15 AS POSSIBLE. THAT WAS ALL. MR. FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT COMMISSIONER CLARK ON UNDERSTANDING THIS PRESENTATION. THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I HAVE HEARD THIS AND THE FIRST TIME I HEARD IT IN URBAN PLANNER BY TRADE. UM BUT YOUR YOU KNOW YOUR QUESTION IS A VERY GOOD ONE. COMMISSIONER CLARK ABOUT SPECIFICALLY IS STUART AND JUST THE HOW THIS PRESENTATION IS STRUCTURED REVEALS HOW THEY LOOK AT THE CHARACTER OF EACH NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY DIDN'T DO CITY OF STEWART. THEY DID EASTER AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE CREEK. SO I THINK THAT'S A UNIQUE AND APPEALING FEATURE. OF THIS, JESSE, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. WE'RE BUILDING AN A D U AT OUR ON OUR PROPERTY AND WE HAD ARCHITECT IN THIS MORNING AND SHE WAS TALKING TO US AND SHE ASKED ME I CAN'T HEAR YOU, COMMISSIONER RICHARD WITH THE ARCHITECT. SHE WAS SURPRISED , SHARE THE STRONG DEGREE OF RESISTANCE TO IT. SO MAYBE YOU'VE ANSWERED THIS QUESTION. AND MAYBE YOU'RE DEALING WITH MS SLACK AND MAYBE YOU'RE TALKING TO THE LOCAL ARCHITECTS ABOUT I WOULD THINK. WE ARE TALKING TO THE LOCAL ARTISTS WE HADN'T HEARD OF, UH, COMMENT ABOUT RESISTANCE TO BUILDING 80 YEARS . UM NOT A DUS, JUST FORM BASED CODE. OH FORM BASED CODES. YEAH A LOT OF ARCHITECTS, UM, ARE CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY, SOME ARCHITECTS CAN BECOME CONCERNED THAT IT IS RESTRICTIVE OF THEIR CREATIVITY, WHICH IS AN UNDERSTANDABLE CONCERN. UM I AM FIRST AN ARCHITECT. SO THAT'S HOW I. I MEAN, AN URBAN PLANNER VIA ARCHITECTURE. UM AS IT IS TODAY, A LOT OF THE CODE, UM WHAT? WELL, PARTICULARLY IN THE CREEK, UM, IS VERY PRESCRIPTIVE . ACTUALLY THERE'S ELEMENTS, FOR

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LET'S SAY, UM, AND THEY'VE LEARNED A LOT SINCE THEN, SO THEY FIRST WERE INTRODUCED WHEN THEY WERE OFTEN ON SITES WHERE THEY HAD SINGLE OWNERSHIP AND THERE'D BE A TOWN ARCHITECT. AND SO SOMEONE HAD A LOT OF CONTROL OVER WHAT WAS HAPPENING. UM SINCE THEN, THEY'VE LEARNED A LOT AND THERE'S LOTS OF COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT SOUTH FLORIDA WHO HAVE ADOPTED FORM BASED CODES AND ARE SEEING REALLY GREAT BUILT RESULTS FROM THEM AND GREAT FOR THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES WITHIN THOSE COMMUNITIES BECAUSE IT'S REALLY HANDING YOU THE HANDBOOK ON WHAT HISTORIC TOWNS AND NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE LEARNED ABOUT WHAT MAKES A HISTORIC UH SMALL, CHARMING TOWN WORK AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THAT YOU CAN POINT THAT ARCHITECT MY WAY AND I WILL. I WILL TRY TO CONVINCE THEM THAT THIS FORM BASED CODE ACTUALLY PROVIDES. MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN MAYBE WHAT THEY'VE SEEN BEFORE. AND WHAT'S ON THE BOOKS TODAY? I MEAN, THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE A GOOD GROUP TO HAVE ON YOUR SIDE. ADVOCATING RATHER THAN THANK YOU. KRISHNA BRAND OR ANYTHING.

OKAY EXCELLENT. YOU ALWAYS DO A GREAT JOB. OKAY I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS, UH, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. I KNOW WHEN I ONE OF THE MEETINGS, AND THAT SEEMED TO HAVE A VERY POSITIVE RESPONSE OF THE EAST STEWART, AND THAT'S WHEN I ENSURE THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS CAN BE USED AS IT COULD BE AN APARTMENT THAT COULD BE RENTED. YES SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE UNIQUE PIECES IN THIS CODE IS THAT IT WILL IT IS ALLOWED TO BE RENTED. UM HMM. OKAY WHAT ARE THE OTHER THINGS IS I'M WORRIED ABOUT, UMH STUFF IN THAT AFFECTS THE COST. UM YOU KNOW, ONE OF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY AND ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS. SO, UM SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT. FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE I LOVE THE PORCHES THE FRONT AGE, BUT I'M ALSO WORRIED ABOUT WHAT IS THE COST THAT ADDS TO THE HOME. UM IS THAT A NECESSARY FEATURE IF IT'S GOING TO KEEP THE HOME FROM BEING BUILT? BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THAT, UM, SAME WITH, UM AND I CAN'T READ. YOU KNOW WHAT I SAID? YOU GUYS GAVE ME A WONDERFUL MEETING OF ALMOST THREE HOURS. UH, WHAT IS THE SIDEWALK WITH? IS IT STILL EIGHT FT FOR THE STEWARD FOR E.

STEWART BECAUSE OF THOSE TIGHTER RIGHT OF WAYS RIGHT NOW, MOST OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS STREETS THEY HAVE, LIKE, FIVE FT SIDEWALKS. UM SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY BE SIX A LITTLE BIT WIDER, BUT ACKNOWLEDGING THE FACT THAT THEY'RE VERY CONSTRAINED WITH THE RIGHT AWAY TODAY. SO LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT WORRIED ABOUT THE COST FACTOR. THE OTHER THING IS AND UM, COMMISSIONER CLARK GOT INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT AND YOU CAN END WITH DISCUSSING. I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED STUB WALLS. UM BECAUSE I'M REALLY THINKING THAT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO SEE NEW FEMA MAPS THAT REQUIRE HIGHER FINISHED FOUR ELEVATIONS, WHICH THEN THAT IS GOING TO AGAIN WITH THE SETBACKS . UM AND THE RAMP ISSUE AND WHETHER STEPS AND RAMPS AND SO I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. UM WE DON'T KNOW WHAT UH, WHAT THE FUTURE IS GOING TO BRING, BUT I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THE NEXT SET OF ROUND OF FEMA MAPS WILL PROBABLY SEE HIGHER FINISH FOR ELEVATIONS. WOULD YOU AGREE? IT'S I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA GO THE OTHER WAY. BUT, YEAH, I AGREE. THE LAST THING AND I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE PANEL HAS THE ANSWER TO THIS. UH, BUT UM SO IT'S NOT REALLY IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT THE FORM BASED CODE. BUT WHEN WE DID THE RITA WAS THE READER DISCUSSION. UM WHAT REALLY SHOCKED ME ABOUT A STEWART WAS ACTUALLY HOW MANY VACANT LOTS ARE IN E. STEWART SINGLE FAMILY VACANT LOTS THAT ARE NOT BEING AH DEVELOPED AND THERE'S A THERE'S A VERY RIETI OF REASONS OF WHY THAT'S NOT REALLY FOR GERMAINE TO THIS DISCUSSION, BUT , UM, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, TRYING TO KEEP THE COST DOWN AND TO GET THOSE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS DEVELOPED IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT AND MAKING IT EAT, YOU KNOW, AND I THE FORM BASED CODE THEORETICALLY. CAN MAKE IT

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UM SO WE DO HAVE SEVERAL PROGRAMS THAT COULD HELP ADDRESS THAT WE HAVE A DESIGN ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. UM SO IF THEY NEED ASSISTANCE TO DO THE DESIGN FOR THEIR SITE, THERE COULD BE COST SAVINGS FOR THAT, UM, WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT REVISITING THE RESIDENTIAL FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM TO ADD ADDITIONAL, UH, COMPONENTS THAT ALLOWS THEM TO GET GRANTS FOR THAT. UM AND SO YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT SEVERAL THINGS ALSO, MAYBE CREATING A PATTERN BOOKS, SO THAT WAY THEY CAN JUST SELECT A DESIGN THAT THEY LIKED, AND THEY CAN GO STRAIGHT TO BUILDING PERMITS THAT THERE'S A COST SAVING FOR DESIGNS. SO WE'LL LOOK AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS. OKAY SO DO YOU. DO YOU ALL HAVE THE DIRECTION YOU NEED FROM THE COMMISSION? DO YOU WANT TO DO THE CREEK AND THEN GET THE DIRECTION THE EAST STEWART PORTION OF IT? YES 11TH PLACE, RIGHT? YEAH I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR INPUT, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE GREEK DISTRICT. I WAS JUST GONNA ASK ANYTHING COULD SHOW US ON THE 11TH OR SHOW THE PEOPLE ON THE 11TH. WHAT ARE THE VACANT PARCELS IN E . STEWART JUST DOING OVERLAY SO THAT THEY KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE 24 28 OR WHATEVER SINGLE LOTS AND THE TAILOR PROPERTY OR ANYTHING ON EAST THROUGH JUST SHOW PEOPLE SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT AND THEN YOU KNOW. OKAY I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT ALSO ALL THE PIECES OF PROPERTY AND CAN WE GET THE NAME OF THE OWNERS? THANK YOU TO ASK MR FOR THAT HABITAT ON OUR NEW PLANNER. OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE CREEK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT SAME SLIDE FOR THE CREEK HERE. WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY ADDITIONAL STORIES, ALL FOUR STORIES, WHICH IS WHAT'S PERMITTED, UM AT THE MAXIMUM TODAY AND THEN NO ADDITIONAL DENSITY THAT'S NOT ALREADY OUTLINED WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UM WE HAVE THIS SIMILAR LANGUAGE HERE AT THE FRONT OF THE CREEK WHERE WE ANALYZED WHAT'S A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AGAIN TO REMIND EVERYONE WHAT'S IN THE EXISTING THEY'LL. DRS IS 50,000 SQUARE FEET. UM WE AGAIN FELT THAT THAT WAS TOO LARGE OF A DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW IF SOMETHING CAME IN AT 40,000 SQUARE FEET, UM IT WOULD STILL BE CONSIDERED A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CREEK DISTRICT. SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING 35,000 SQUARE FEET FOR THOSE NON RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES. TO BE IDENTIFIED AS MAJOR. AND THEN IT HAS A SIMILAR LANGUAGE ABOUT, UM, REACHING OUT TO THAT . THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, UM, IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE THE CREEK ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. UM. EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAPS, SO THIS ONE'S A LOT SIMPLER. IT'S MOSTLY DOWNTOWN, AND THEN WE HAVE COMMERCIAL, UM, ALONG FLORIDA STREET, AND THIS IS DIXIE. THIS IS, UH, COLORADO FOR REFERENCE. AND THEN THIS IS MLK. AH IF YOU'LL NOTICE AT THE VERY TOP OF QANTAS PARK, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT THAT WAS STILL DESIGNATED DOWNTOWN. SO AGAIN, WE WANT TO CLEAN THAT UP, UM, AND REFLECTED AS RECREATION. UM AND THEN THE OTHER CHANGES FOR THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OVER THE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE ROCK THE RED SO THIS AREA WAS BROUGHT INTO THE CREEK DESIGNATION. UM WHICH IS AN ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. SO WE WANTED TO UPDATE THE L. D. R S TO REFLECT THAT DESIRE. UM AGAIN. WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THERE IS A MAX DENSITY OF 30 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE FOR THE COMPLAINT IN THERE, AND THAT IS THE SAME WITHIN THE DESIGNATION OF DOWNTOWN. THAT SAID, UM, WE'RE GETTING DOWNTOWN'S YOUR BIG UMBRELLA. THE ZONING GETS MORE SPECIFIC, AND THE ZONING IS ACTUALLY CAPPED AT THE 15 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. UM AND THEN ALSO JUST FOR FRAME OF REFERENCE . THERE ARE ONLY THREE VACANT PARCELS WITHIN THIS AREA. SO AGAIN, ALL THOSE EXISTING BUSINESSES CAN CONTINUE THIS THIS IS A DIFFERENT AREA WHEN WE GET TO OUR ZONING MAP BECAUSE WE WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THE JOB CENTERS. WE HAVE CLOSE TO OUR DOWNTOWN WITHIN THIS AREA. UM BUT THOSE THREE VACANT PARCELS RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST JUST TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT IT'S INCREMENTAL. THESE ARE ALL. UM UM, IF ANY CHANGES HAPPENING

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SEACOAST ALSO OWNS THIS PARCEL. THIS IS WHERE PETER'S HARDWARE IS. THIS IS THE POST OFFICE. SO YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF, UM LIKE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES THERE RIGHT NOW. WE'LL JUMP TO THE ZONING IN JUST A MINUTE. AND SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE USES A LITTLE BIT MORE THERE. NO, NO, IT'S GOOD. UM BUT THE AGAIN WE WANTED TO, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE BRINGING THEM INTO COMMERCIAL IN THE ZONING, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE RECOGNIZE THOSE EXISTING USES. AH SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP, ALL WITH THE SAME DOWNTOWN DESIGNATION, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF QANTAS PARK AND RECREATION. AND THAT'S MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE OWNERSHIP PATTERNS, THE CRS AND THE COMMUNITY'S VISION THAT WE HEARD IN ALL OF OUR OUTREACH. THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING MAP . AND THEN HERE'S THAT BE, TOO, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT NOW BE, TOO IS A VERY, UM KIND OF GENERAL BUSINESS USE IT ALLOWS FOR AUTOMOTIVE USES AND BOAT USES. UM AND WE DON'T WANT THOSE USES TO COME OVER HERE INTO OUR GENERAL, UM, URBAN AREA, SO WE MADE SURE TO CREATE A SPECIFIC DISTRICT WHERE THOSE USES ARE SO THAT WE CAN HONOR THOSE USES GOING FORWARD. UM THIS IS THE REGULATING PLAN. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT, UM WE STILL HAVE THREE DESIGNATIONS WITH THEIR BOUNDARIES ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS BEFORE. SO THIS IS CALLED CREEK NORTH, WHERE WHICH IS NORTH OF FRASER CREAK AND CREAK SOUTH, WHICH IS SOUTH OF FRASURE CREEK. AND THEN WE HAVE CREEK INDUSTRIAL AGAIN, GIVING THAT DESIGNATION OF INDUSTRIAL SO THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT CHARACTERS DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF OUR URBAN DOWNTOWN. IT ALLOWS FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY OF USES. AND WE ALSO RECOGNIZE ALL OF OUR CIVIC SITES THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT, INCLUDING ONE THAT'S JUST OUTSIDE OF IT, WHICH IS THE CAMDEN'S POCKET PARK AND ACCESS TO THE WATERWAY THERE. NOW TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE B TWO USES. WE HAD EXCELLENT COMMENTS WHEN WE PRESENTED TO THE L P A. SO WE MADE SURE WE WENT BACK AND DID A MORE THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF WHAT WAS PERMITTED THERE, SO WE MADE SURE THAT THE BANKS AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS CARRIED OVER TO THAT AREA THAT WAS AN EXISTING USE THAT'S PERMITTED TODAY ALONG WITH AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR WITHIN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING. WE ALSO ADDED LANGUAGE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT USES PERMITTED WHEN FACING US ONE AND FLORIDA STREET. UM HEALTH CLUBS . WE ACTUALLY HAVE HEALTH CLUBS IN CREEK NORTH IN THE CREEK SOUTH, AND THOSE WERE NOT, UM EXPRESSIVELY LISTED THERE, SO WE WANTED TO ADD THOSE TO ALL ALL THE DISTRICTS, UM AND THEN KENNELS AND REPAIR SERVICES. UM ALSO A PERMITTED JUST WITHIN THAT, UM, THAT CREEK INDUSTRIAL AREA. AND THOSE ARE EXISTING USES TODAY. WE HAVE A THOROUGHFARE PLAN FOR THIS AREA , AND THIS HAS SOME SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FEATURES. UM IT LOOKS SIMILAR, THOUGH AGAIN. WE WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE WATERWAYS THE EXISTING SHORELINE PROTECTION ZONE. THE TRACKS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO IT AND AS WELL IDENTIFY A HIERARCHY OF THE STREETS, SO WE IDENTIFY A AND B STREETS. A STREETS ARE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD FOR CONNECTIVITY AND ACCESS. UM AND THEN BE STREETS ARE ALSO IMPORTANT, BUT NOT THE SAME LEVEL OF, UH, STANDARD. UM THESE CHARTS AGAIN . THESE WERE THESE ARE SIMPLIFIED. BELIEVE IT OR NOT CHARTS, UM, COMPARING THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR EACH OF THE DISTRICT. SO EVERY THE AREA THAT'S BEING UM URBAN CENTERS LISTED HERE. THE URBAN GENERAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE HERE. AND HERE'S THE CREEK NORTH STANDARDS. UM YOU'LL KNOW THAT THE HEIGHT REMAINS THE SAME. THE DENSITY REMAINS THE SAME. WE DID MODIFY THE SETBACKS. UM AND THEN WE ALLOW FOR MORE FRONTAGE TYPES AND I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT WE HAVE SOME AREAS WHERE YOU ARE REQUIRED TO DO AN ARCADE TODAY, AND THAT'S JUST TOO UM, TOO PRESCRIPTIVE FOR POTENTIAL APPLICANTS WE WANTED TO BUILD IN MORE POTENTIAL FRONTAGE TYPES, INCLUDING A PORCH AND A STOOP FOR COURT AND BALCONIES. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THOSE THINGS UM BE PERMITTED INSIDE THE CREEK NORTH. UM YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH COLORADO, THERE'S YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL HISTORICAL. HOMES IN THAT DISTRICT ALREADY, UM, WHO HAVE PORCHES AND STOOPS? SO, UM, WE WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT UM, THERE'S MOSTLY MODIFICATIONS AGAIN WITHIN THE SETBACKS, UM, WHICH WILL PROMOTE FOR ALLOW FOR MORE WIDER SIDEWALKS. AND UM, DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT THOSE BUILDINGS COME RIGHT UP TO THE STREET. THEY CAN HAVE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY ON THEIR SIGHTING. VERY SIMILAR WITH THE CREEK SOUTH. WE HAVE THE EXISTING HEIGHTS COMING OVER. UM

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AND YOU ARE ASKED TO MAXIMIZE YOUR BUILDING FOOTPRINT FOR YOUR APPLICANT. AND SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY'LL LOOK OUT THOSE TWO FT ALONG THE SIDE OF YOUR BUILDING AS OPEN SPACE AND THE AND THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE NEED IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT. WE NEED TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE, UM, THOSE OPEN SPACES INTO ONE PLACE THAT CAN BE, UM, ACTIVE AND PROMOTE THE BUSINESSES THAT GO INSIDE THOSE SO FOR A SENSE OF SCALE. UM YOU KNOW WHAT 5% IS. IT'S EXTENDING THE SIDEWALK ALONG HERE. IT'S A GREEN SPACE AT THE CORNER OF THIS LOT. THIS IS ONE ACRE. THIS IS, UH ON ACRE AND A HALF AGO. AND THE GREEN SPACES SHOWN AS UM, AS THAT 5% AS A CASE STUDY, WE LOOKED AT AZUL AND AZUL, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, HAS SOME SPACE AT ITS CORNER WHERE IT COULDN'T. UM YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF SIGHTLINES. YOU ACTUALLY NEEDED THAT SPACE AND THEN IT'S BEEN TURNED INTO A PUBLIC AMENITY THAT EVERYONE CAN ENJOY AS PART OF THEIR STREETSCAPE. THEY ALSO IN THAT PROJECT EXTENDED THE SIDEWALKS ALONG HERE, WHICH MAKES THE SPACE MUCH MORE USABLE FOR NOT ONLY THE RESIDENTS, BUT BUT EVERYONE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. BUT IF SOMEBODY TRIPS AND FALLS WHO PAYS FOR THE LIABILITY, RIGHT, SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS OF MANAGING THAT.

THIS ISN'T A NEW REQUIREMENT FOR CITIES. LOTS OF CITIES HAVE POLICIES LIKE THIS. AND SO WE CAN CARRY OVER SOME OF THOSE POLICIES AND REVISIT THOSE SO THAT THERE'S A SPECIFIC GUIDELINES ON HOW TO DO THAT. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LARGE SCALE PROJECTS. RIGHT SO ANYTHING OVER AN ACRE, SO THEY'LL BE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHAT THOSE KINDS OF ARRANGEMENTS WOULD BE. IN SOME CASES, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO, UM DEDICATE THAT LAND RIGHT? IN SOME CASES, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE FOR THERE TO BE A

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SMART. UM, AND THEN THIS WAS A SLIDE. I WANTED TO JUST HIGHLIGHT AGAIN. THE FRONTAGE TYPES AND HOW IMPORTANT THOSE ARE. UM, THIS IS 630 FT ALONG JOHNSON AVENUE. IF YOU WALK ALONG JOHNSON AVENUE, IT ACTUALLY HAS A LOT OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WORK RIGHT HAS A NICE WIDE SIDEWALK. IT HAS SHADE TREES THAT HAVE COME IN THERE. IT'S GOT A BIKE LANE, THE TRAFFICS PRETTY SLOW ALONG THERE, BUT WHAT IT'S MISSING. IS THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, AND YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ENGAGEMENT WITH WHAT THE USES ARE INSIDE THAT BUILDING. UM SO THIS IS WHERE THE FRONTAGE TYPES CAN REALLY BE AN ADVANTAGE. UM THESE ARE THE FRONTAGE TYPES IDENTIFIED FOR, UH, FOR THE CREEK DISTRICT. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THEY'RE SIMILAR, BUT ALSO LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THEIR CHARACTER, AND WE ALSO ADDED THE GARAGE SHOP FRONT AGAIN AND ACKNOWLEDGING THE AREA THAT WE HAVE. IT'S SLIGHTLY THAT'S MORE INDUSTRIAL AND ITS CHARACTER AND HAS THOSE AUTOMOTIVE USES. THE ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR THE PARKING STANDARDS IN THIS AREA. UM MAINLY BECAUSE MANY OF THE COMMERCIAL USES WHERE OFTEN CONNECTED TO THE NUMBER OF SEATS AND THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND AGAIN AND AGAIN WE HEARD FROM SMALL BUSINESSES THAT THIS IS A REAL CHALLENGE TO, UM, MEETING THE NEEDS OF THEIR CUSTOMERS, FRANKLY, AND FOR THEIR THEIR EXISTENCE WITHIN THE THIS FABRIC, THIS DOWNTOWN FABRIC UM , SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS TAKE A LOOK AT A CASE STUDY FOR THIS RIGHT? AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE , THIS IS ROASTED RECORD. IF YOU FOLLOWED THE CODE TODAY, UM AND THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 12 PARKING SPACES. UM 12 PARKING SPACES TAKES UP AS YOU CAN SEE THE ENTIRE SITE. YOU DON'T HAVE A PROJECT ANYMORE. YOU DON'T HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS ON YOUR ON COLORADO ANY LONGER.

UM SO THERE WAS A VARIANCE GRANTED, AND THEY PROVIDED ESSENTIALLY WHAT IS VERY CLOSE TO WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT ALL COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES PROVIDE 123 USES. I'M SORRY, PROVIDE 1 TO 300 IN THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND THIS WILL ALLOW FOR THE ADAPTIVE RE USE OF BUILDINGS AND PROMOTE THE SMALL INFIELD BUSINESSES. UM AND THEN TO CLOSE OUT IN BOTH DISTRICTS. UM I WANTED TO NOTE THAT THESE ARE BOTH ON OUR FRASURE CREEK. SO IT'S CENTRAL TO THE CREEK DISTRICT, BUT IT'S ALSO THE WATERSHED FOR THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD, SO BAKED INTO ALL OF THE REGULATIONS THAT WE ARE BRINGING FORWARD OR HOW DO WE GET OUR GREENBACK WHICH IS STOLEN FROM DR SOTO, WHO ENTERED, UM BRIEFED THE COUNCIL THE OTHER DAY ON LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT. UM SO WE HAVE BUILT INTO THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS , THE CIVIC OPEN SPACE, THE PARKING LOT STANDARDS AND LANDSCAPE STANDARDS AS MANY, UM , WHAT WE FEEL ARE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CODE TO FACILITATE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT AS PART OF ANYTHING THAT COMES FORWARD IN THE EAST DISTRICTS. WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT HAVING THESE TWO AREA IS PART OF ONE WATERSHED IS IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY TAKE SOME METRICS ON HOW IT'S WORKING. AND UM, YOU KNOW, EXPAND THE KIND OF STUDY THAT THAT THESE THINGS CAN DO FOR OUR WATERWAYS AND IMPROVING OUR WATERWAYS AND WE WILL BE GOING TO I WILL BE GOING TO THE, UM UH , UM. CONFERENCE IN OCTOBER TO AUDIT THE CODE AND GET RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THERE FROM THERE. THEY'RE THEY'RE EXPERTS.

DR BEAN. UM NEXT STEPS. AND THIS WAS, UM, COMMISSIONER CLARK, WHAT YOU WERE MENTIONING OCTOBER 11TH. WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING A SIMILAR PRESENTATION AT THE 10TH STREET COMMUNITY CENTER, GETTING

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THERE AND THERE. THERE'S WAYS TO CONTINUE TO PRESERVE THOSE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE LIKE IN THE BLUE. THE BLUE AREA. YEAH THE BLUE AREA AND AH! SO THAT'S SOMETHING THERE THAT, UM WOULD IF THIS IS LIKE THIS, AND I THINK I HEAR COMMISSIONER COLLINS IS SAYING THAT SHE LIKES THE THINGS SO IF IT'S LIKE THIS IF THE PUBLIC HOUSING IT'LL BE A BIG THING IF THE PUBLIC HASN'T STOPS EITHER PLACE WHETHER IT'S IN EAST STEWART ARE THERE, UM, TO MAKE A CHANGE IN IN THE LAND USED, INTRODUCE SOME KIND OF A TWO REDEVELOPMENT TYPE THINGS. SO UM, I JUST WANTED TO JUST US TO BE AWARE OF THAT THE PARKING EXEMPT. I SAW THAT MISS WILL NOT PARKING EXAMPLE PARKING WAYS TO DEAL WITH BORKING BECAUSE IT'S A VERY CONSTRAINED AREA. I HEAR THAT THEY'RE RESTAURANTS OR WHATEVER THAT WANTS TO COME IN THERE. UM I DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY TO MAKING APPLICATION BEFORE WE DO THE CODE OR NOT, BUT, UM AH, I JUST, UM. I THINK THAT PARKING IN THIS AREA IS GOING TO BE CONTINUING WORK OF SCIENCE AND ART. BUT, UM. WELL AND THIS IS THIS IS AGAIN, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, UM, THIS IS A GEARED TOWARDS ALLOWING FOR THAT ADAPTIVE RE USE OF BUILDINGS AND ACTUALLY MAINTAINING SOME OF THAT HISTORIC, UM, BUILDING STOCK. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WE HAVE HISTORICAL HOMES THAT HAVE BECOME OFFICES AND RIGHT NOW, IF THEY HAVE A CHANGE OF USE THOSE THOSE PROPERTIES COULD BECOME VULNERABLE IN ORDER TO JUST CREATE MORE PARKING SPACES AND I KNOW THAT PARKING IS A CONCERN IN MANY PARTS OF THE CITY, BUT IN THIS AREA, THEY'RE ACTUALLY AGAIN. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ENTIRE DISTRICT, THERE'S STILL OPPORTUNITIES FOR UNDERUTILIZED ASPHALT AND ARRANGEMENTS FOR FOLKS WHO IF THEY NEED IF PARKING DOES BECOME A LARGER ISSUE AS FAR AS THE ACCESS TO THAT PARKING, UM, THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. UM TO POINT TO THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS TO AND HOW IMPORTANT THOSE CAN BE, UM, THEY IDENTIFY THE MINIMUM STANDARDS OF WHAT SHOULD BE ON THESE THOROUGHFARES. AND SO IT OPENS UP THE CONVERSATION. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ACTUALLY EXISTING ON STREET PARKING ON SOME OF THESE STREETS THAT IS UNDERUTILIZED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE STREET LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, SO THIS HELPS TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE MISSING PIECES THAT HELPS TO HELP TO ACTIVATE SOME OF THAT ON STREET PARKING. UM IT ALSO TO YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE, UM, THE INDUSTRIAL AREA AND THOROUGHFARE TYPES. UM WE MADE SURE TO WHEN WE ILLUSTRATE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WE DID ALSO SHOW THE 60 THAT SUCCEEDED THERE.

THEY'RE SMALLER THOROUGHFARES. THEY'RE ACTUALLY PROBABLY AROUND 50. I THINK MOST OF THEM, BUT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT SMALLER THOROUGHFARE AND THE MOVEMENTS OF CARS BY SHOWING THE SIX FT SIDEWALK IN THAT AREA AND THEN ALSO ILLUSTRATING SUCH SOFT CURVES SO THAT THEY'RE NOT, UM ALLOWS FOR SOME THE MANEUVERABILITY OF SOME OF THOSE , UH, WORK TRUCKS IN THAT AREA CURBS OR WHAT BECOME CHALLENGING SOMETIMES. OKAY JUST GRAB ONE THING. WE'RE TAKING OUT MARINAS AND COMMERCIAL. YES SO WHAT WE WANT TO ACTUALLY DO WITH THAT? AND I'M GLAD YOU POINTED THAT OUT. WE WANT TO CREATE USE GROUP FOR THE MARINAS AND THE AUTOMOTIVE USES SO THAT THEY ARE LISTED RIGHT NOW IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THEY IN THE YOUTH GROUPS ARE LISTED OUT AS SEVERAL DIFFERENT ONES. SO YOU HAVE UM, AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE . AUTOMOTIVE SALES. BOAT SAILS BOAT. THEY'RE JUST LISTED OUT AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. AND SO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT A GROUP WITH CONSISTENT STANDARDS THEY WOULD BE FOR ENCLOSED BUILDING. SO IT'S IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS SO SIMILAR TO WHAT'S THE AUTOMOTIVE SALES AND SERVICES BUT WITH THE BOAT, UH, USE LISTED TOGETHER. CAN I JUST SAY ONE THING, MR MAYOR? I'M SORRY. SO MR CITY MANAGER? YEAH ONE THING MR CITY MANAGER YOU HAD MENTIONED ABOUT US CLEANING THE WATERWAY, THE FRASURE CREEK. UM TRIMMING ALONG THE FRASER CREEK AND SO ON. AND YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE POCKET PARK THERE. AND THIS IS THE VIEW OF THE AREA. UM WHEN WE DO APPROVE THIS ARE WE SEEN

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I'M PROBABLY SHOWING YOU THAT WORD. LIKE YOU KNOW, DOING SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY USES THE WATER FRONTAGE ALONG THE CREEK TO BE AN ATTRACTION OR TO BE, UH PLACE OF GATHERING OR SOMETHING.

WHERE WHERE DO WE HAVE THAT IN OUR CODE TO FACILITATE THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA YOU HAVE BEEN CUT OFF. THEY HAVE A LOT OF SLIDES LIKE WEEKEND LIKE I DID NOT SLEEP THIS WEEKEND. UM I HAVE A LOT OF SLIDES ON THE BACK END. LIKE I SAID, I HAD TO TRIM THIS UP, SO I DON'T PICK UP ALL OF YOUR LOVELY TIME. UM YEAH. UM THESE ARE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS WITH GREAT WE INTRODUCED. ONE OF THE THOROUGHFARES IS A WATER FRONT PROMENADE SO AGAIN, TOO. INSPIRE APPLICANTS TO ACTIVATE THAT WATERWAY. WE ALSO INCLUDE ONE OF THE THOROUGHFARES, SO IT'S NOT CALLED STREET STANDARDS BECAUSE THERE'S THINGS OTHER THAN STREETS, UM, YOU KNOW, ACTIVATED BRIDGES AND AS ANOTHER OPTION FOR HOW THOROUGH AFFAIRS COULD BE DEVELOPED, AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S SOME EXISTING STANDARDS ON WHAT CAN HAPPEN WITHIN THOSE THOROUGHFARE WITHIN THAT SHORELINE PROTECTION ZONE. UM, SO WE ADDED TO THAT BY SAYING THAT THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THAT WATERFRONT AND CONNECTIONS WITHIN THAT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE PART OF THAT SHORELINE PROTECTION AREA. UM WE ALSO WENT AND PHOTOGRAPHED EVERY BULKHEAD. SO ANYONE FROM THE L PA WHO'S LISTENING? WE ADDED THAT IN FROM OUR FROM OUR SIDE OF THINGS, WE WERE LOOKING AT IT TO ACTIVATE THE WATERWAY FOR ACTUAL WATER USAGE FOR KAYAKING AND PADDLEBOARDING, AND THAT SORT OF ACTIVITY. MILTON'S DOWN THE ROAD ON THAT ALREADY IS ALREADY GETTING QUOTES FOR TREE TRIMMING OR THE MANGROVE TRIMMING AS SOON AS WE GET THE PERMITTING DONE UM AND THEN I KNOW PANEL IS ALSO LOOKING AT THE FRASER CREEK BRIDGE AND ELEVATION OF THAT FRASURE CREEK BRIDGE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE U . S. ONE CORRIDOR STUDY SPOKEN WITH BELTRAN. REGARDING THE BRIDGE AS WELL. RIGHT SORRY. I JUST SAID I SPOKEN WITH BETH BELTRAN FROM THE MPO REGARDING THE BRIDGE AS WELL. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY OVER THE YEARS HELPING ELLA'S WITH THIS REDEVELOPMENT ALL THESE VISIONS HOW SHE HAS SLOWLY DRUG US ALONG AND TRYING TO GET THERE AND FOR US TO UNDERSTAND, AND ALL THAT. I THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU , MANAGER THAT THAT'S REALLY GREAT. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THAT SO EXCITING QUESTION TO THE COMMISSIONERS IS HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT HAVING, UH THEN REMOVE THE CIVIC REQUIREMENT. DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THEIR OWN OR RELIABILITY? YES, FOR ME. YES MR RICH. DO YOU HAVING A PROBABLY DON'T AGAIN? I DON'T WANT TO. PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO VOTE OR GIVE ANY SPECIFIC DIRECTION BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GO AGAIN TO THE L P A. AND THEN AGAIN TO YOU AS A CITY COMMISSIONERS 1ST AND 2ND READING SO JESSICA KEN, OBVIOUSLY TAKE YOUR CONSIDERATIONS INTO INTO CONSIDER YOUR COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION, AND THEN WHEN SHE COMES BACK AS IT RELATES TO THIS, SHE MAY HAVE OTHER RESPONSES AND HOW TO ADAPT THAT RATHER THAN GIVING THE ACTUAL TREASURE TONIGHT ABOUT THEIR INPUT, RIGHT, MR MAYOR. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HEARD IT. I WAS ON THE L P A. AND THAT CAME UP. THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN. AND JESSE SAID WHEN SHE GOES BACK TO THE L P A ISSUE WILL ADDRESS THAT SPECIFICALLY. OKAY I THINK WE LET HER MAYBE FLUSH IT OUT, SO WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING CONCERN. I WAS GONNA HAVE TO PUT A PLAYGROUND IN MY FRONT YARD. YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT THIS IS. IT'S NOT. I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT EITHER, BUT I THINK I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHAT IT IS. IT'S JUST JUST HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL CONCERN. THAT WAS IT WAS STRONGLY SHARED BY THE OPUS. SO LET'S SEE WHAT SHE DOES THERE. OKAY STAFF WE'VE DISCUSSED MAYBE DOING A TRUST FUND. MM. UH INSTEAD OF MAYBE IF THEY CAN'T PROVIDE CIVIC SPACE OR DON'T WANT TO PROVIDE CIVIC SPACE, MAYBE THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO TRUST FUND SO THAT WE HAVE FUNDING TO DO SOMETHING AT A LARGER SCALE FOR PUBLIC BENEFIT, BUT THAT'S MORE THAT'S MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF MY THING IS THE COST FACTOR. SO ONE? I'LL TALK. I'LL GET WITH YOU AND JESSICA AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. BUT UM, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. I THINK THAT IS, EVERY MINISTERS HAVE THEIR QUESTIONS.

YEAH I OKAY. SINCE I'M GONNA BE BLAMED. I KNOW THAT THIS IS LIKE THE FIRST ITEM PRESENTATION. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THAT PUBLIC SPACE I THINKING OF ON THE SIDE BY THE POST OFFICE IN FRONT OF THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE, UH, COMMON AREA AND WE HAVE THE WATERFRONT. WELL

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[7. LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH THE CREEK DISTRICT OF ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT (RC): RESOLUTION No. 84-2022; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE A LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH “THE CREEK” DISTRICT OF ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT INC. FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING A MONTHLY “FIRST FRIDAY ART WALK” TO PROMOTE THE ARTS AND FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF THE PUBLIC; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE HER OF MOTION FOR RESOLUTION. 84-2020 ESPECIALLY.

TO PAUL IN HIGH REGARD THE CREEK DISTRICTS OF ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT INC. WHICH HAS SOUGHT TO WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR CITY TO CREATE THIS AND TO CONTINUE TO GROW THE COLORADO AVENUE AREA. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLLINS. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE? ONE PRESIDENT THIS PRESIDENT NOW, RIGHT, PRESIDENT DUNCAN HEARD IF YOU WOULD FILL OUT A GREEN CARD, PLEASE. YOU CAN SPEAK BEFORE YOU FILL OUT THE CARD. I WILL SPEAK BEFORE YOU FILL OUT THE CARD JUST MADE IN YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS DUNCAN HEARD ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE CREEK DISTRICT. ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT INC. THE NONPROFIT THAT OVERSEES ALL THIS. WE'VE

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[8. APPENDIX A RATE UPDATES INCLUDING UTILITIES (RC): RESOLUTION 86-2022; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA ADOPTING APPENDIX “A” BY AMENDING CHAPTER 36, CHAPTER 34, AND CHAPTER 42 OF THE CITY’S CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.]

[9. REQUEST TO CONTINUE TO A DATE CERTAIN OF OCTOBER 10, 2022 CCM: DOGSWORLD URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE (QUASI-JUDICIAL): RESOLUTION No. 73-2022; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, CONSIDERING A MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL TO JUSTIN PHILLIPS, (CONTRACT PURCHASER) FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 400 SW 7TH STREET, CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 1.62 ACRES; TO ALLOW THE USE OF KENNELS FOR DOGSWORLD; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; PROVIDING FOR A TIMETABLE OF DEVELOPMENT; PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

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SO CLARIFICATION WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT COMMISSIONER RICH WAS REQUESTING A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE MOTION WE ADDRESSED AT THE, UM RATE HEARING THE OTHER DAY. AS IT PERTAINED TO THE SITE ON THE CORNER OF THEM. OKAY AND UM, GEORGIA AVENUE. THE REASON I MENTIONED THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF HER AGAINST AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TO APPROVE ANY KIND OF PROJECT WHATSOEVER. IT'S SIMPLY TWO. HAVE STAFF RESCHEDULE FOR NEXT MEETING. THE ISSUE OF THE MOTION BECAUSE THE MOTION WAS TO ADOPT A RATE. BUT IT ALSO INCLUDED LANGUAGE SAYING SPECIFICALLY THAT THE COMMISSION DID NOT WANT TO CONSIDER THAT SITE FOR HOUSING. IS THAT AN ACCURATE PICTURE? TWITTER? CORRECT OKAY, SO HIS MOTION EARLIER THAT WAS FOR AGENDA ITEM AT THE END OF THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW IS JUST A MOTION TO RESET IT FOR ANOTHER MEETING TO ADOPT OR APPROVE A PROJECT. AND JUST TO CLARIFY THE MOTION DURING THE RATE STUDY WAS TO APPROVE THE RATE STUDY. WITH KEEPING THE GARAGE FACILITY AT THE GEORGIA AND MLK. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HOUSING OR REDEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? JUST KEEPING IT AT THAT LOCATION, SO YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE THE CONVERSATION. YES. SO OKAY, SO REMEMBER, WE MADE THIS DECISION JUST 12 DAYS AGO. AND YOU CAN SEE THE LEVEL OF CONCERN FROM THE COMMUNITY AS THEY BECAME AWARE OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING. SO LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I DO KNOW. BECAUSE I'VE ONLY BEEN ON THE JOB FOR 14 DAYS. WHAT I DO NOW IS THERE IS NO BETTER SITE THAT THE CITY OWNS. FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. NOW I'VE BEEN TOLD IT'S THE BEST SITE. BUT THERE CERTAINLY IS NO BETTER SITE THAT WE ARE. I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT MONEY. BECAUSE AND FISCAL YEAR 23. THE RATE IS THE SAME AND FISCAL YEAR 24. THE RATE IS 44 CENTS A MONTH. ADDITIONALLY, EACH MONTH FOR EACH RATEPAYER. AND IN THE THIRD YEAR IT'S 93 CENTS A MONTH. SO THAT'S REALLY CAN'T BE THE BASIS FOR OUR DECISION. AND WHAT I ALSO KNOW IS THIS COMMISSION HAS NEVER HAD A COMPREHENSIVE PROPOSAL. FOR WHAT TYPE OF A HUB. WHAT TYPE OF WORKFORCE HOUSING. COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE ON THAT SITE. AND I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT BY CITY STAFF SO THAT'S WHAT I'M REALLY ASKING FOR. I'M ASKING THAT WE ARE AT LEAST TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER WHAT CAN GO THERE. I HAVE BEEN TO THREE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MEETINGS. THE FIRST ONE, UM I GUESS. SO THE SECOND ONE WAS IN PALM CITY. AND THE THIRD ONE WAS JUST RECENTLY WITH THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL.

AND EVERY TIME I'VE GONE, I'VE LEARNED ABOUT A NEW SOURCE OF FUNDING. FOR THESE PROJECTS.

THERE'S ART MONEY AVAILABLE. THERE'S CR A MONEY AVAILABLE. THERE'S ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE HOUSING MONEY AVAILABLE. I WAS LISTENING TO DR TIM MORE AS I SAID, AND HE'S TALKING. TO THE HOSPITAL SYSTEM UP IN FORT PIERCE. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SUBSTANCE. I ITTY SUBSIDIZING THEIR NURSES. NURSES THE FEES FOR THOSE NURSES AND THE DEAL IS THAT LONG WOULD WOULD GET THOSE GET FIRST DIBS ON THOSE NURSES. I ASKED HIM WHAT COULD WE STRIKE A DEAL WITH CLEVELAND CLINIC DOWN HERE, MAYBE MAKE SOME OF THOSE UNITS AVAILABLE FOR THERE'S NURSES, AND HE SAID.

THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. BUT I JUST KNOW. YOU KNOW, WE'VE NEVER. WE'VE NEVER IDENTIFIED AND THIS AND I THINK COMMISSIONER CHAMPIONS HERE. YOU CAN'T BE, AS HE SAID. SORRY AND IS, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, IN DEALING WITH THIS PROBLEM. THIS IS A LARGE GROUP. AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN IDENTIFIED SAID WELL, WHO COULD BENEFIT THE MOST FROM THIS . WOULD IT BE THE NURSES WHO COULD WALK THREE BLOCKS? WOULD IT BE THE TEACHERS WHO COULD WALK ONE BLOCK? WOULD IT BE THE MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES? WHO CAN WALK FROM THERE TO HERE. AND HOW CAN WE ACCOMPLISH THIS UP? SO

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SECOND IT HAVE TO BE SECOND AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO PASS TO COME BACK AS AN AGENDA ITEM TO THIS TO DISCUSS THE RECONSIDERATION. CORRECT I'M JUST SO THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST WANTED TO HELP YOU OUT THERE. SO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD TO A RECONSIDERATION, YOU COULD SO THAT WE'RE NOT LANGUISHING HERE . THAT'S FINE, SO I MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. TO RECONSIDER THE. TO RECONSIDER THE DECISION WE MADE REGARDING THE UTILITY RATE. THE SANITATION UTILITY RATES. IS THAT SUFFICIENT? I BELIEVE THAT'S SUFFICIENT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SO IT'S FAIRLY APPEARS. IT'S FAILING FOR LACK OF A SECOND, UD AND TAKE A MOMENT TO JUST DISCUSS A COUPLE OF THINGS, BECAUSE WE'RE I GUESS WHERE I'M COMING FROM, UM THOUGH IT MAY BE IT MAY NOT GONNA DISPUTE. IT'S A GOOD SITE FOR SOME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT. BUT THERE'S TWO FACTORS FOR ME. AND ONE IS THE SITE WHERE WE WOULD BE MOVING THE GARAGE. AND IF YOU'RE IN ONE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WOULD HAVE THOSE GARAGE THOSE ALONG THEY'RE HAVING THOSE TRUCKS COMING PAST YOUR HOUSE EVERY DAY AT 5 30 IN THE MORNING. WORKING THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM AND ALSO COMING OUT . I HAVE A ISSUE WITH THE SITE BECAUSE I ACTUALLY WENT INTO THE LAST MEETING INTENDING TO MOVE IT. THAT WAS MY GOAL. AND THEN UH, THERE WAS THAT, BUT THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ASPECT THE DIFFERENCE IN COST AND MOVING THE FACILITY FOR KEEPING HIS $66 MILLION TO KEEP IT WHERE IT'S AT, UM $12 MILLION TO MOVE IT.

SO THOUGH IT ISN'T SMALL AMOUNT PER PERSON, IT'S REALLY STILL SICK. IT'S ALMOST LIKE PAYING $6 MILLION FOR THAT PIECE OF REAL ESTATE. I WOULD MUCH RATHER IF WE WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING.

GO AND SPEND A MILLION IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, LET'S GO SPEND A BIT MORE RESPONSIVE, FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND SPENT A MILLION MILLION FIVE BUYING A PIECE OF PROPERTY. THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE WHETHER WE SHOULD OR NOT. THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION , BUT FROM A FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT, UM. THERE I AGREE. THERE IS A ABSOLUTE CONCERNED ISSUE HOUSING UM AND WE NEED TO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING DONE ABOUT IT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. WE'VE WE SAW WE SAW IN 2018. I LEFT THE COMMISSION FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND IN THAT CHANGE, THERE WAS A CHANGE. THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO BUILD, UH, TRYING TO CREATE, UH, NEW SUPPLY. THAT'S THAT SUPPLY IS GETTING ABOUT TO COME ON, AND SOME OF IT'S ALREADY COMING ON. BUT WE ALSO HAVE SEEN THAT THE ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. AND WE'VE SEEN THE PUBLIC. COME AND SAY, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE. WE WANT YOU TO PUT THE BRAKES ON. I AM. HAS INTENT ABOUT UM. SPENDING SIX EFFECTIVELY TO ME. IN MY OPINION, IT'S LIKE SPENDING $6 MILLION ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S WORTH A FRACTION OF THAT I WOULD MUCH RATHER OR IF WE HAD THE RIGHT IF THE RIGHT PROPOSAL AND THE RIGHT THING AND THE RIGHT STUFF CAME ALONG, I'D RATHER JUST BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WOULD COST LESS MONEY. SO BUT AND I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS.

WE DO HAVE COMING FORWARD THE TWO ACRES NORTH OF THE BRIDGE. UM WHICH IS HAS ITS OWN CHALLENGES. BUT THEY'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY HERE. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON THAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS. UM. AND THAT'S WHERE JUST SO WHERE I'M AT BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T

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IT IS THE LAND THAT IS OWNED BY ALL OF US. WE OWN THAT. SO THE USE OF THAT LAND RIGHT? SHOULD BE FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT, EITHER IN THIS CASE THROUGH THE UTILITY, UH, THROUGH THE SANITATION. OR POTENTIALLY TO EARN OFFSET THE TAX BURDEN FOR RESIDENTS, ALL RESIDENTS WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT INCREASING UTILITY FEES, SO A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE CAN ENJOY CHEAPER RENT . I THINK WE HAVE TRANSITIONED INTO THE REALM OF WE ARE OUT OF OUR SCOPE OF PRACTICE.

PERSONALLY YOUR WHAT SCOPE OF PRACTICE. IT'S UM AS A CHIROPRACTOR HAVE A SCOPE OF PRACTICE WHAT I'M ALLOWED TO DO LEGALLY WHAT I SHOULD BE DOING ETHICALLY SCOPE OF PRACTICE, SOL WANT MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BUT WE ARE DEALING WITH LARGER, BIGGER STUFF GOING ON HERE.

INFLATION WE'RE DEALING WITH HOUSING PRICES ARE UP EVERYWHERE. IT IS NOT JUST HERE AT THE CITY STARTS GETTING INTO THE HABIT OF TRYING TO FLIP PUBLICLYRTY TO TRY TO AFFORD SOME PEOPLE, CHEAPER RENT AT THE EXPENSE OF EVERYONE. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A VIABLE SOLUTION WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. I KNOW SOME MAY DISAGREE, BUT THAT'S THAT'S

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[10. LOCATION SELECTION OF EV CHARGING STATION PARKING SPOTS]

OKAY GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS. JUST TRYING TO GET, UH THIS POWER POINT UP.

IT'S ONLY FOUR IMAGES, SO I PROMISE. NO LENGTHY PRESENTATION TONIGHT, UM, JUST TO BRING THE NEW COMMISSIONERS ON ONTO THE SAME PAGE IF YOU HADN'T SEEN A PREVIOUS MEETING THAT WE HAD UME BACK, DARREN. OKAY WELCOME BACK . DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU WERE HERE . YEAH WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU WERE GONE. ACH, THAT'S RIGHT. HE WENT BACK TO, SO I'LL EXPLAIN THE ITEM. UM TWO MONTHS AGO, FTL APPROACHED THE CITY STAFF WITH AN IDEA PROPOSAL TO INSTALL, UH , ESSENTIALLY A HANDFUL OF ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS, THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS OR THE E V.

CHARGERS WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE A UM, LEVEL THREE. IT'S THEIR FAST SUPERCHARGERS. YOU MIGHT HEAR IT REFERRED TO AS THAT AND THE IN THE INDUSTRY. UM THE DIFFERENCE IS THE CHARGING TIMES FOR THE CURRENT ELECTRIC VEHICLE MARKET IS CONSIDERABLY LESS INSTEAD OF HOURS AND HOURS TO CHARGE WHETHER IT'S OVERNIGHT AT YOUR HOME OR THROUGH A SIMPLE A C OUTLET. UH, THESE CHARGES CAN CHARGE A FULL CHARGING LIKE 2030 MINUTES, SO IT'S REMARKABLE THAT THE TECHNOLOGY HAS COME ALONG WITH F P L HAS BEEN DOING, UM IN IN LIEU OF IN IN IN KIND OF AHEAD OF WHAT THE STATE WILL BE DOING. WHAT THEIR NEW PLAN THAT THEY RECEIVED ABOUT $198 MILLION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

EARLIER THIS YEAR AS PART OF ONE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PACKAGES. SO OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS OF THE F PL ALL THE UTILITIES. UM A LOT OF PRIVATE VENDORS THEY'RE GONNA BE INSTALLING ON BEHALF OF F D. O T IN THE STATE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE ALL ALONG THE MAIN HIGHWAYS.

EVENTUALLY IT'LL IT'LL PERMEATE TO LIKE US ONE AND FEDERAL HIGHWAY, BUT THAT'S STILL YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. UM F PL JUST KIND OF APPROACHED THIS LIKE THEY DID. I BELIEVE IN FORT PIERCE AND THEN DOWN IN PALM BEACH TO TRY TO GET AHEAD OF IT A LITTLE BIT. PUT SOME FAST CHARGERS INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC A LOT. AND IF YOU IF YOU'VE DRIVEN AROUND, I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN ALL THE TESLA AND ALL THE DIFFERENT TV CARS, SO WE DEFINITELY HAVE A MARKET FOR IT HERE. I WOULD. I WOULD ASSUME I'D LIKE TO SEE THE DATA MYSELF, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE HAVE SORT OF A HIGHER UM, YOU KNOW, ALMOST DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE ARE DRIVING ELECTRIC VEHICLES HERE. THEN YOU WOULD SEE AVERAGE AROUND THE STATE AND I'VE CERTAINLY SEEN IT MYSELF. WHAT THIS PROPOSAL IS TOTALLY FREE FOR THE CITY. WHAT WE'RE GIVING UP IS ESSENTIALLY FOR PARKING SPACES OF REAL ESTATE INSTEAD OF PARKING SPACES, THEY WOULD BE TRANSFORMED INTO CHARGING SPACES AND WITH NEW LAW THAT CHANGED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA CHARGING STATIONS ARE CHARGING SPACES CANNOT BE UTILIZED BY REGULAR VEHICLES.

FOR JUST PARKING THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UM, A VEHICLE THAT IS CHARGING. YOU HAVE TO BE CHARGING WHILE YOU'RE IN THERE, AND THESE ARE NOT FREE CHARGERS KIND OF LIKE THE CHARGES THAT WE PUT INTO QANTAS PARK. THOSE WERE LEVEL TWOS OR A LOT SLOWER CHARGE. THOSE WERE FREE AND THEY WERE DONATED BY TESLA. AND WE JUST HAPPENED TO WORK OUT AN ARRANGEMENT WITH F PL. THIS WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY A SIMPLE LEASE AGREEMENT FOR 10 YEARS. UM THE CHARGING STATIONS WOULD BE AT ONE OF TWO LOCATIONS AND I'M GOING TO SHOW BOTH THESE OF THE LOCATIONS TO YOU. WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE LOCATIONS PREVIOUSLY, BUT FBL KIND OF GAVE US SOME FEEDBACK OF SOME CHALLENGES ON INITIAL CATION, SO THE PROPOSAL IS ONE OF TWO AND WHERE THE STAFF IS REALLY JUST LOOKING FOR THE COMMISSION'S GUIDANCE ON THIS, AND WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY BRING A AN AGENDA ITEM TO YOU IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR THE AGREEMENT. IF THAT'S THE THAT'S THE DESIRE. SO THE FIRST SIGHT RIGHT HERE IS JUST TWO PICTURES, UM, FORCED FOUR LOCATIONS RIGHT HERE AT SAILFISH PARKING LOT.

THIS IS ACROSS FROM CITY HALL ON THE TRAIN TRACKS OVER HERE. THIS IS THE MOST IDEAL SPOT FOR FPL.

NOT ONLY DOES IT PROVIDE THE FOUR SPACES THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, THERE'S ALSO TWO TO THE LEFT AND WHAT FTL HAD HAD NOTIFIED US AS MAYBE FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD IN THE 10 YEAR

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THERE'S NO ANY YOU KNOW, COST SHARE OR REIMBURSEMENT TO THE CITY. IT'S ESSENTIALLY A FLAT LEASE AGREEMENT. IT'S A BENEFIT TO THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE HERE AND EVEN PERHAPS VISITORS AS WELL. WE WOULD JUST BE GIVING UP FOR PARKING SPACES AND TRANSFORMING THEM INTO INTO CHARGING STATIONS. SO I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T WANT TO KEEP KEEP IT TOO LONG. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THE TWO SITES AND THEN FOR THE NEW COMMISSIONERS CANNOT BRING THEM UP TO SPEED AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT HOW MANY SPACES ARE AT THAT LOCATION TOTAL. UM WELL, THERE'S SIX IN THAT LINE RIGHT THERE, THE ELECTRIC CHARGING OR THE WHOLE PARK? UM PROBABLY 40 LIKE 40 50 LESS YES, SIMILAR TO QANTAS PARK. YEAH. AND SO IT WOULDN'T BE. THE QUESTION WOULD REALLY BE. IS THIS THE LOCATION THAT WE WOULD WANT THIS BECAUSE THE OTHER LOCATION THIS ONE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO GET A PICTURE WITH NO CARS THERE. UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE WELLS FARGO SITE. UM UNFORTUNATELY, THEY WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO PLACE TO THEIR BECAUSE INSTEAD OF DOING A GROUND TRANSFORMER, THEY WOULD ONLY THERE'S NO LOCATION.

REALLY. THAT'S GOOD OUT THERE FOR IT. THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE POLE. EXACTLY AND THEY WOULD THAT WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ENOUGH ELECTRIC FOR TWO UM, AND THERE'S NO ROOM FOR EXPANSION FOR THIS AND IN THE FUTURE, WHAT'S WRONG WITH JUST TAKING THE FOUR AND LEAVE THOSE TWO OUT. WELL WE KNOW IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ONE OR THE OTHER. BUT THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE SAILFISH LOT IS IF THE COMMISSION IN THE FUTURE WANTED TO EXPAND IT TO YOU COULD ACTUALLY GET TWO MORE WITH THE SAILFISH LOT, WHEREAS THE WELLS FARGO SITE IS LOCKED TO A PERMANENT TO RIGHT NOW TO SEE THAT MUCH PARKING OF TAKEN UP, BUT. I'M PERSONALLY TORN ON WHAT THE LOCATION. THE I DO LIKE THAT LOCATION EXCEPT FOR THE RESTRICTED EXCEPT FOR THE NOT THE ABILITY TO EXPAND, BUT I LIKE THE SAILFISH LOCATION BECAUSE I'VE READ THE STATES E V CHARGER PLAN AND PURSUANT TO WHAT THE STATE'S GOALS ARE DEPORTED DEPARTMENT TRANSPORTATION. AH I THINK IT'S STILL A DRAFT PLAN. IS IT OR DID THEY VISITED? I BELIEVE THAT THE I BELIEVE IT'S THE FULL PLAN APPROVED. I READ IT WHEN I WAS STILL A DRAFT, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S A SENSE BEEN APPROVED BY T. O T. THE SELFISH LOT. ALIGNS MORE WITH THE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S CLOSER TO US ONE AND WHAT THE STATE IS THEIR GOAL IS THERE IS TO GET E V. CHARGERS THE FAST CHARGERS, UH SO THAT PEOPLE COMMERCE CAN AS THE STATE PEOPLE ARE USING THEIR CARS AS PART OF THEIR COMMERCE, EITHER, WHETHER IT'S TOURISM OR FURTHER JOBS OR BUSINESS AND TRAVEL, UH, THEY CAN HAVE CHARGES ALONG THE WAY. ONE OF THE THINGS I FOUND INTERESTING IS SOME OF THE TARGET SPOTS WAS PLACES LIKE INDIAN TOWN. THAT ACTUALLY HAS A LOW E V OWNERSHIP, BUT BECAUSE OF THE LONG 7 10, THERE'S CHARGERS, FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT HAS PUT THESE CHARGERS IN OKEECHOBEE ALREADY, UM, IT'S SO AND IT'S ALL PART OF THAT STATE'S GETTING AHEAD OF THAT STATE'S PLAN. I DIDN'T GET TO FINISH. UH, I'M SORRY, BEN. YOU SAID 10 YEARS. UH AND WE HAVE TO CONTRACT WITH THEM FOR 10 YEARS AND THEN THEY WOULD, IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE UPDATED OR WHATEVER THEY TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING. AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE LET ME JUST GO BACK TO THE SAILFISH LOT AS AN EXAMPLE UM WHAT? WHAT FTL DOES IS LITERALLY WHAT YOU SEE. THERE THEY INSTALL FOUR STATIONS BEGIN WITH FOUR SIGNS. THAT'S PART OF KIND OF LIKE THEIR MARKETING.

AND THEN THEY WOULD ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, SORT OF THE LINING ALL THE ALL THE PAVEMENT , ACTUAL PRINT AND ALL THAT THAT THEY PUT ON THEIR FOR THEIR DEMARCATION. AND UM, IT'S NOT QUITE AS EXTENSIVE AS THE LEASE AGREEMENT THAT WE DID WITH THEM FOR THE PL SOLAR PANEL PROJECT.

THAT WAS THAT WAS A LOT MORE INVOLVED. THAT WAS LIKE A MILLION AND A HALF PROJECT. AS FAR AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS WOULD BE ABOUT HALF A MILLION, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT, BUT IT WILL BE A HALF A MILLION IMPROVEMENT FOR US IN AT NO COST TO US. WE'RE JUST GIVING UP THE SPACES. OKAY SO IS THERE A WAY TO NEGOTIATE THAT DEAL WITH THEM? TO WHERE WE CAN

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THAT'S THAT MIGHT CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. THEY'VE RECENTLY STARTED UPPING AN INCREASING THE COST AND ACTUALLY CHARGING FOR THE ELECTRIC BEFORE THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO MATCH THE OVERHEAD FOR PROVIDING THE ELECTRIC. NOW THEY'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO RECOVER AS MUCH COST AS THEY CAN LITTLE BIT BEYOND THAT, BUT THERE THERE'S THEIR MARKETING THEIR BUSINESS IS STILL SELLING CARS. AND WE'RE SORT OF IN A IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT COMPETING. IT'S NOT REALLY THAT FOR US.

FPL'S NOT SELLING THIS ELECTRIC REALLY AT A PROFIT, EITHER THEY'RE DOING IT SORT OF THAT COST AS WELL BECAUSE THERE'S NO BUSINESS MODEL OUT THERE YET FOR IT, THAT MIGHT AGAIN MIGHT CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. SO THE COST REVENUE OR COST SHARE PROGRAM FOR US THEY WOULD NEVER , THEY WOULD NEVER AGREE TO THAT. WITH THE QANTAS PARK. WE DID A LEASE AGREEMENT THAT THEY GAVE US. I THINK IT'S LIKE COMES TO A 3000 YEAR OR SO IT'S A IT'S A YOU KNOW, MODEST AMOUNT FOR THEM TO PAY US FOR THAT REAL ESTATE. EVERY YEAR. WE HAD NEGOTIATED DOWN WITH THEM FROM 20 YEARS AND THAT AND THAT ONE DOWN THE 15 FOR THE SOLAR PANELS, AND THAT WAS THE SOLAR PANEL PROJECT. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. I WOULD RATHER MAYBE HALF THOSE NUMBER OF UNITS. SEE THE METRICS ON THEM HOW MUCH THEY ARE ACTUALLY USED IF YOU'RE GOING TO TIE UP PARKING AND TAKE PARKING FROM RESIDENTS AND SEE IF THERE'S ACTUALLY BEEN THE DEMAND THAT'S EXPECTED YOU THE GRAPHS AND THE CHARTS OF WHAT THEY PROJECT BUT THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO SET THESE UP AND SELL ELECTRICITY ON OUR PROPERTY. SO LET'S NO I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE DEMAND THAT MATCHES IT IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THIS ROUTE AND SEE THAT IT'S TRULY A BENEFIT FOR RESIDENTS, BECAUSE THERE'S THAT MUCH DEMAND. MY CONVERSATIONS WITH FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT WAS, UH , CRYSTAL STYLES WHO HEADED THE E V PROGRAM FOR THE STATE NOW IN CONVERSATION WITH HER. THEY ARE THEY ARE NOT, UM PUTTING THE THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE STATE AS PART OF THE STATE TO DEVELOPED THE DEVELOPMENT LOCATIONS AND SITES. UM THEY BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THE BECAUSE OF THE COST. IT'S GONNA THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE OPERATING AT A PROFIT LEVEL. IT COSTS ABOUT $12 TO FILL UP. I GUESS PHILIPPA TESLA, SO WHEN IT'S EMPTY OR IN, IT NEEDS A FULL CHARGE. SO I THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY WOULD NEED TO GET TO, UM GET THAT HALF MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT JUST RECOVERED . UM NOW I THINK WHAT SORT OF GRANTS LIKE STATE OR FEDERAL? I THINK THEY'RE EVENTUALLY THERE'S GOING TO BE. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GETTING THEM QUITE YET, BUT THEY'RE PLANNING ON GETTING SOME FOR FUTURE STATIONS. UM AND THEN I ALSO THINK THAT, UM WHAT THERE ARE BANKING ON. AND THIS IS WHERE THIS IS KIND OF CRYSTAL BALL KIND OF STUFF IS THAT THEY'RE BANKING IN THE FUTURE AS THE E V MARKET EXPLODES BY 2030 WHEN THEY'RE EXPECTING, ALMOST LIKE YOU KNOW, IN MOST OF THE CARS COMING OFF THE LINE R E V THAT THAT'S WHEN THEY'LL PROBABLY START. SO THE 2ND 10 YEARS IS WHEN WE REALLY STARTING NEGOTIATING THAT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK SO THE ONE POINT I WOULD ALSO MAKE TO THAT. UM, IS ALSO THAT THESE SPOTS WITHIN 20 TO 30 MINUTE CHARGE. NOT ONLY IS IT ILLEGAL TO PRETTY MUCH STAY THERE WITHOUT CHARGING, UM YOU'RE ALSO STILL GETTING CHARGED FOR IT BY F PL UM AS THE LONGER THAT YOU'RE THERE ACCIDENTALLY EXPENSIVE SO IT ACTUALLY GETS MORE EXPENSIVE RIGHT INTO COMPOUNDS THE COST SO PEOPLE THAT THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS BECAUSE, UM, THESE THESE SPOTS ONE THING TO REMEMBER ALSO OH, IS THAT THEY'LL HAVE A HIGH TURN AROUND. SO THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT COME AND USE THEM FOR BUSINESSES , YOU KNOW, LIKE A COFFEE SHOP THAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN OR, YOU KNOW, A RESTAURANT. SOMEBODY COMING IN TO PICK UP FOOD OR WHATEVER IT IS THEY WERE PLANNING ON STAYING IN A PARKING SPOT FOR MAYBE 5 10 MINUTES ANYWAY, AND IF THEY COME WITH THEIR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CARS AND STARTING IN 2023, WE'RE GOING TO SEE A MASSIVE PRODUCTION CHANGE, UM IN THE LINE AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE BUYING. IT'S COMPOUNDING EVERY YEAR TO THE POINT WHERE AND I SAID THIS IN MY PRESENTATION FEW WEEKS BACK THAT FLORIDA IS EXPECTED TO JUMP FROM, UM, REALLY LESS THAN 1% IT'S LIKE HALF A PERCENT 1% OF THE OWNERSHIP STATEWIDE TWO BY 2031 OUT OF EVERY 5 20% OF PEOPLE WILL BE OWNING AN E V CAR THAT IS A MASSIVE CHANGE AND NOT TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE IT HERE IN THAT PROPORTION GREATER OR LESS, BUT EVEN IF HALF THAT OCCURRED, THESE SPOTS WOULD BE I'M ASSUMING WELL, WELL UTILIZED BECAUSE THE ONES THAT KOALAS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE FREE RIGHT NOW ALREADY ARE PRETTY HEAVILY MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, UM PARDON, WHICH SAY THE. FOUR AND ADAM WHEN YOU BROUGHT

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THANK YOU ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AND MAKES YOU ROBERT VICTORY? FILL OUT A GREEN CARD, PLEASE? ROBERT HAMILTON'S 3 11 SOUTHWEST SURGERY. UM MY OBJECTION WOULD BE. THIS IS A FLORIDA CORPORATION FOR PROFIT. USING UTILIZING CITY PROPERTY PAID FOR BY ALL THE TAXPAYERS IN THIS ROOM. I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT A TIME GOING TO COME AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED THAT, BUT I THINK THE CITY SHOULD BENEFIT OFF IT. YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY FOR YOUR POSITION, BUT THE CITY SHOULD NOT BE UTILIZING FOR PARKING SPOTS. WE HAVE A HARD TIME DOWNTOWN. I LIVE ON THIRD STREET. I KNOW AND I JUST DON'T FEEL THAT ARE TAXPAYERS SHOULD BE FUNDING FOR FP AND L TO PUT MONEY IN THEIR POCKET. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. DO WE HAVE A TRAM STATION DOWN THERE? OUTSIDE THE PARKING THEN WE HAVE A TRAM AGAIN. THERE'S A TRAM STATION AND YES, OKAY, BEFORE WE WILL CLASSIC QUESTION I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE AS I WAS THINKING WHILE THEY WERE SECOND IN OR SOMETHING. SO THEN I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND I HAD THIS QUESTION AND I DIDN'T REALLY ASK IT. SO WE HAD MENTIONED ABOUT PRIVATE PERSONS HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THEIR BUSINESS OR WHETHER IT'S A WALL LAWS OR SOMETHING. OR JUST A PERSON WHO HAS LAND AND SAYS HERE, WANNA GET A PERMIT TO DO A TV STATION AND HAVE IT AS A BUSINESS WHERE PEOPLE COME AND CHARGE UP? UM AND I'M JUST TRYING, AND I SEE NOW THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL THINKING LIKE THAT, AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FACILITATE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IT AVAILABLE IN OUR CITIES SO THAT WE CAN YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A VEHICLE, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR COURT OR ANYTHING, MR. THAT WOULD STOP SOMEBODY OR WOULD ALLOW SOMEBODY TO SAY I WANT TO OPEN UP A BUSINESS AND HAVE IT BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME PART THEIR CAR AND DO A TV YOU COULD DO. YOU COULD DO AN RFP. OUR PROCUREMENT WOULD NORMALLY HAVE YOU DO AN RFP. WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS INSTANCE? I BELIEVE IT WAS COMMISSIONER. MCDONALD ORIGINALLY BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE ABOUT PROVIDING IT AS A PUBLIC BENEFIT. TO THE COMMUNITY, WHICH , IF IN FACT IT'S BEING DETERMINED BY THE BOARD THAT IT PROVIDES A PUBLIC BENEFIT.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE STEPPING OUTSIDE OF THAT? IT'S JUST LIKE PAYING SOMEBODY TO OPERATE THE BEACH RESTAURANT FOR THE COUNTY OR SOMEBODY TO PROVIDE THE GREENMARKET OR WHATEVER. IT'S A IT'S A PUBLIC BENEFIT IN USE COUNT CITY PROPERTY. FOR THE PURPOSES OF PROVIDING THAT PUBLIC BENEFIT AND NOT BE IN VIOLATION OF ARTICLE SEVEN SECTION 10 OF THE CONSTITUTION THAT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T IGNORE SPECIAL BENEFIT ON A PRIVATE ENTITY. SOMEONE CAN'T JUST COME SET UP THERE THAT THEY COULDN'T JUST SET UP AND THEY DON'T IT DOESN'T GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO DO IT. WHAT I'M HEARING IS, THE BOARD IS SAYING THEY'RE FINDING A BALANCE BETWEEN THE COST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS TO BE ENCOURAGED TO PUT IT THERE AND THE NEED FOR THE CITY OF STEWART TO PROVIDE ELECTRIC VEHICLE OWNERS A MEANS TO CHARGE IN THIS LOCATION. TO JUSTIFY THE USE OF THE PUBLIC, PRIVATE OR PUBLIC PROPERTY IN SUCH A MANNER THAT IT IS USED THAT WAY. OKAY? OKAY SO THANK YOU. WE'VE HAD SO WE'VE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CALL THE QUESTION. SHE'S SICK. YES. YES TO THE FOUR THINGS THAT BAKER SAID. HE SAID FOUR PARKING RIGHT , SELFISH COMMISSIONER COLLINS NO. MAYOR MCDONALD. YES, COMMISSIONER RICH? YES. OKAY.

[11. ZONING IN PROGRESS DISCUSSION]

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MORATORIUM WOULD BE WHERE WE DON'T. TAKE ANY ACTION OR RECEIVE ANY APPLICATIONS FOR ANY APPROVALS UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE COMMISSION BELIEVES THAT THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO PROCESS ABSORB OR HANDLE THEM. ZONING IN PROGRESS FALLS MORE IN THE IDEA OF A PARTICULAR TYPE OF ZONING OR A PORTION OF OUR ZONING CODE. NEEDS ADJUSTING BECAUSE OF. WHATEVER FORCES HAVE CAUSED THE CITY TO REEVALUATE THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL. I KNOW WHAT THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS. SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE HALF UNIT ISSUE. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE UM, LARGE. MULTI FAMILY PROJECTS. THIS THIS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY APPLY TO LIKE A LAND USE CHANGE BECAUSE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE CITY. UH, INVENTORY. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT FOR DESIGNING AND PROGRESS. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE IS RIGHT NOW. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE LESS THAN TWO ACRES IN THE ENTIRE CITY THAT'S VACANT DESIGNATED FOR MULTI FAMILY, HOWEVER, AARON AND I WERE UNABLE TO FIND IT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE WHOLE IF THE TWO ACRES IS TOGETHER OR IS LIKE A SLIVER OF 100, FT, HERE AND 100 FT THERE AND WHAT IT MAKES UP. WE HAVE 130 ACRES. ZONED COMMERCIAL. AND IF THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY YOU CAN USE 25% OF THAT, FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES AT 10 UNITS PER ACRE, SO THE 130 LET'S JUST SAY IT WAS 125 ACRES. THE OTHER 30, MAYBE SIX. SO IT'S MAYBE 31 ACRES AT 10 UNITS PER ACRE MEANS THAT IF ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL CAME IN AND WAS BUILT AT ITS 10 UNITS PER ACRE AT THE 25% RATE. THAT WOULD MEAN THERE'S SPACE FOR 310. UNITS IN ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL LEFT IN THE CITY. ADD THAT TO THE TWO ACRES OF MULTI FAMILY THAT YOU COULD YOU COULD DO THOSE 2 30 UNITS AN ACRE THAT MAYBE 60 THAT GIVE YOU 370 UNITS , NOT IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS THAT COULD BE APPROVED ABSENT A MAJOR FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE. BY THE CITY COMMISSION. SO I'M NOT SURE WHICH ISSUE YOU WANT US TO COME FORWARD ON. BUT IF IT'S THE PROCESS THE U D PROCESS THE EXCEPTION. PROCESS ZONING RELATED TO PARKING EXCEPTIONS OR PARKING BALANCE. OR, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE THE NUMBERS I JUST GAVE YOU DID NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AT ALL BEHALF. RURAL THING, SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU GUYS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HAVING A SPRING BACK FOR HIS OWNING IN PROGRESS. BUT ESSENTIALLY IT. IT'S TO PROVIDE A STOP GAP IN THE TIME IT TAKES THE STAFF. FOR US TO BRING BACK NEW REGULATION TO REGULATE THAT ISSUE THAT THE COMMISSION FEELS NEEDS ADDITIONAL REGULATION. AND WITH THE STAFF REALLY KIND OF NEEDS FROM YOU IS DIRECTION. AND THAT'S THE QUESTION, I THINK.

OKAY. ALRIGHT BOY. I JUST WANTED TO WE'RE ALMOST BUILT OUT HERE IN THE CITY WILL BE THE FIRST SIX. 6.5 ACRES. UM KIM BEFORE WE MOVE ON. YOU CAN FIND OUT HOW MUCH VACANT LAND THAT WE HAVE.

[03:30:11]

ONE THING YOU KIND OF WENT AROUND BUT DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY WAS A TIMEFRAME OF ANYTHING'S ON AN IN PROGRESS UP TO SIX MONTHS OR MORE TERM ZONING PROGRESS. WILL YOU KNOW THEY JUST GIVE THE ESTONIAN PLAYING WORDS THAT THE POTENTIAL TIMEFRAMES AND WHAT WILL BE THE IMPACT OF SOMETHING GOES INTO PLACE FOR THREE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS. DOES ANYTHING GET ACCOMPLISHED DURING THAT TIME FRAME? IF THE COMMISSION ASKED ME TO ENTER A ZONING IN PROGRESS RELATED TO THE HALF UNIT. REGULATION. I WOULD HAVE IT BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR SECOND READING BEFORE THE END OF NOVEMBER. AND AS A RESULT, WE WOULD NEVER EVEN REACHED OR COME CLOSE TO THE THREE MONTH REGULATION NECESSARY. WHAT THE CODE SAYS, IS THAT WE IF WE ANNOUNCE A ZONING IN PROGRESS, IT CAN BE EVERYTHING IS ESSENTIALLY STAYED FOR THREE MONTHS AND THEN IT CAN BE EXTENDED FOR AN ADDITIONAL THREE MONTHS OR UP TO SIX MONTHS. SO THAT THE CITY CAN REWRITE THE CODE. THE REALITY OF IT IS THAT WE ARE NOT NEW YORK CITY. WE ARE A VERY SMALL PLACE. I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT IT WOULD TAKE US SIX MONTHS TO REWRITE A ZONING REGULATION IF THE COMMISSION HAD A CONSENSUS ON THAT REGULATION, AND AS A RESULT, IF WE HAD DIRECTION ON AN ISSUE, I SUSPECT WE WOULD HAVE IT. DONE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, AND IT WOULD BE OVER WITH SO WE WOULDN'T GET INTO THOSE TIMEFRAMES. BUT COMMISSIONER COLLEGE AND I, JUST AS IT RELATES TO THOSE TIMEFRAMES, WOULD IT REALLY IS, IS THE LANDOWNER BEING TOLD? IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU APPLY. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU DO. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AN APPROVAL UNTIL THE ZONING IN PROGRESS AND IT'S TO TELL THEM IT'S NOT GOING TO LAST MORE THAN SIX MONTHS. BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. IT WON'T LAST THAT LONG. ANYWAY MR COLLINS. SO A COUPLE OF POINTS ONE IS, UM IT'S NOT JUST VACANT LAND THAT'S GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY DEVELOPED ON LIKE IN, YOU KNOW, DOWN SOUTH. YOU START TAKING THINGS THAT EXIST ALREADY. AND THEN YOU KNOCK THEM DOWN. CHANGE THE LAND USED TO DO THIS WHOLE ZONING THING AND YOU BUILD A HIGH DENSITY STUFF. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, REDUCTIONIST TO SAY THIS IS HOW MUCH VACANT LAND WE HAVE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S CHEAPER, AND IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE TO DO UM YOU KNOW ON EXISTING. POTENTIALLY THE ONLY THING THAT'S WORTH DOING IT IS THE STUFF THAT MAKES A LOT OF MONEY LIKE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL SO IT'S NOT JUST THE VACANT LAND TO IS. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANNEXATION. SO PART OF WHY ANNEXATION IS SO DESIRABLE IS TO GET THE INCREASE IN DENSITY THAT THE CITY PROVIDES.

SO PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS SO FOR ME. I'LL SPEAK FOR ME. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A ZONING IN PROGRESS. I THINK I'M MORATORIUM IS OVERKILL. I DO AGREE THAT WE COULD GET A LOT DONE AND NOT A LOT OF TIME. HALF DENSITY THING IS ONE. THERE'S OTHER ISSUES WITH CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THE COMP PLAN IN 2020 THAT I THINK THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. AND PART OF THAT IS HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO WORKSHOPS SO THE PUBLIC CAN BE INVOLVED IN THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL. IT'S AH IT'S A LARGER CONVERSATION THAN EVEN JUST US DOING IT. I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS VERY LOUDLY , YOU KNOW, SHARED HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON, AND THEY DESERVE TO HAVE A VOICE IN THAT AND WORKSHOP IN THOSE CHANGES TO THE COM PLAN, POTENTIALLY AND HOW WE DO OUR LAND USE, UM. SO WITHOUT GETTING INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL AND THE CHANGES I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU KNOW, INSTITUTE IN THE COMPLAINT. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT ZONING AND PROGRESS TIME.

[03:35:02]

IT'S KIND OF THIS. NO OFFENSE TO THESE PROJECTS IF ONE OF THEM IS YOURS, BUT THERE IS A BIT OF A HODGEPODGE. IN MY OPINION OF THESE PROJECTS THEY DON'T NECESSARILY CARRY A UNIFIED LOOK AND FEEL, UM. AND THAT HAPPENS WITH THAT SORT OF LACK OF DISCIPLINE. I THINK IN THE COM PLAN WITH THE. LACK OF FORM BASED CODE IS THIS ONE OFF PROJECTS THROUGH THESE P U D PROCESSES END UP WITH SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW THE PUBLIC DOESN'T NECESSARILY LIKE AND IT'S NOT HAPPY WITH SO I'M GONNA ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS DECLARE FIVE FROM STAFF. I WANT TO SAY ONE MORE THING. I'M SORRY FOR ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH TRYING TO BLOCK COMMERCIAL. SO I WANT TO SEE, UM COMMERCIAL SPACE BEING DEVELOPED . I WANT TO SEE MORE JOBS THAT ARE HIGHER PAYING FOR LOCALS. I THINK THE MAIN ISSUE FOR ME IS THE MULTI FAMILY THAT'S BEEN COMING IN THAT ENDS UP BEING IN THE HIGH UNITS BREAKER, SO AS LONG AS WE COULD BLOCK THAT PART OF THE COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, PED THAT MAYBE INCLUDES A MULTI FAMILY. UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL COMING THROUGH, AND THAT'S PART OF ONE OF MY BIG ISSUES WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS THE CONVERSION AND LOSING OUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO THESE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. SO A COUPLE OF THEY JUST DONE THE JUST ADDRESS THE COMMERCIAL ISSUE. WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING AGENDA ITEM. I'M NOT SURE WHEN.

OH, THAT'S GOING TO BE LOOKING AT INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL SOMETHING I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MICHELLE FOR QUITE A WHILE. SO WHICH IS MY GOAL IS APRIL LACK OF A BETTER WORD. PROTECT COMMERCIAL. SO UM, AS FAR AS THE ZONING AND PROGRESS. I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY APPLIES. I'M GOING TO ASK MIKE THIS TO COMPLAINT AMENDMENTS. WELL YOU CAN. I WAS GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION LIKE YES, YOU CAN ADDRESS A ZONING IN PROGRESS. IF IT'S A COMMON PLAN, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD CHANGE THE HEIGHT LIMIT TO SEVEN STORIES OR TO ONE STORY, AND THAT WOULD BE A COMMON PLAN AMENDMENT. RIGHT RIGHT. BUT FROM A STANDPOINT OF LET'S USE THE HALF UNIT. THERE'S A REFERENCE TO THE HALF UNIT IN THE COM PLANTS. BUT THERE'S ALSO A REFERENCE TO THE HALF UNIT IN THE L D. R IF THE ZONING IN PROGRESS SAID NO. HAVE YOU DAMP APPLICATIONS AND WE JUST AMEND THE LBR TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE URBAN P U D APPLICATION PROCESS . THEN EVEN THOUGH IT'S STILL IN THE COM PLAN, THERE'S NO REMEDY TO GET TO IT. THROUGH THE ZONING ANYWAY, SO THEY CAN'T PLAN DOESN'T HAVE A DETRIMENTAL OR IMPACT UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOU COULD DO A FULL COMPLEMENT EVALUATION AND YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO ZONING IN PROGRESS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE COM PLAN SAYS. THAT YOU CAN GO UP TO 30 UNITS PER ACRE IN MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT OR OVER 15 UNITS PER ACRE. IN MOST OF THOSE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. YOU COULD DO A ZONING IN PROGRESS. AND ALTHOUGH THAT'S IN THE COM PLANT IF THE ZONING IN PROGRESS WAS TO SAY, WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANY APPLICATIONS FOR A PROJECT OF HIGHER THAN 15, 16, 17 2025 OR 30 UNITS, AN ACRE, UM DURING THE ZONING AND PROGRESS THAN ALTHOUGH IT RUNS WITH THE CAN'T PLAN, IT'S STILL IN THE ZONING CATEGORY. SO IT WOULD SAY WE'D BE ADJUSTING. THE LD R. IN SAYING OKAY IT DURING THIS PROCESS ONLY APPLICATIONS WITH DENSITY LEVELS BELOW. THE STANDARD. WHATEVER IS PROVIDED IN THE L D. R ARE ALLOWED TO BE SUBMITTED. IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING BECAUSE I WANT TO DO A NOTICE OF THE ZONING IN PROGRESS THAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING FOR AND HAVE IT ACTUALLY MEANS SOMETHING AND DO SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE IS ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN A ZONING, THE PROGRESS AND THAT IS THE HALF UNIT BE TAKING THAT UP. AND UM, I WANT TO LIKE TO THOROUGHLY VET UM, HOW THAT UH, HOW WE COULD, UM, ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THE GOALS THAT BUT NOT LIKE I COULD HAVE UNITS. JUST GONNA I'M JUST GONNA PUT A LINE THROUGH. I MEAN, SERIOUSLY HARD GOLD, REASONABLE PRETENSE TO GO A LITTLE DEEPER

[03:40:02]

[03:45:05]

[03:50:04]

THERE ARE MINIMUM DENSITY PROJECT AND I WAS TALKING TO SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE WRITING PART OF THAT CODE AND IN ORDER TO GET APPROVAL IN THAT SPECIAL DISTRICT, YOU HAVE TO COME IN WITH A MINIMUM OF 32 UNITS AN ACRE. THE PURPOSE BEHIND THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT IS IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY THE BENEFIT TO THE LANDOWNER. TO SET ASIDE THAT OTHER 70% OF THE GREEN SPACE THEY NEEDED THE PILE OF INTENSITY UP IN THE CORNER KIND OF THING AGAIN. NOT THAT ANY OF THAT MATTERS THAT LATER. I HOPE IT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK BACK ON THAT WE USED TO DO. AND IT WAS A TERRIBLE IDEA. I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO COMBAT SPRAWL. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IF WE JUST BUILD THESE BOXES AND EVERYBODY LIVES IN A BOX, AND NOBODY CAN OWN A YARD OR HAVE ANY PROPERTY, I THINK THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME MODEL IS NOT OUTDATED. I THINK WE SHOULD STRIVE FOR PEOPLE TO OWN HOMES. I KNOW IT'S NOT IN VOGUE ANYMORE, AND WE'VE BEEN DOING CARBON OUT GREEN SPACE AND PUTTING EVERYBODY IN APARTMENTS. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S MAKING SPACE FOR WHO WHO? WE EVEN REALLY I WANT TO MAKE SPACE FOR IN STUART. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH FAMILIES. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING ABLE TO PLANT A MANGO TREE IN YOUR YARD. UM AND IF WE LOOK AT WHAT'S BEEN

[03:55:05]

PLANNING ON DUMPING THIS ON SOMEONE ELSE SO YOU DON'T NEED TO OKAY WHICH WHICH WAS MY NEXT . THAT'S EXACTLY LEADING TO MY NEXT QUESTION. EARLY RATE NEXT QUESTION. IS THAT THAT MY NEXT QUESTION IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ONE. THAT'S GONNA START.

AND I WOULD LOVE I KNOW THAT WE HAVE CONSULTANTS AND WE WORKED WELL WITH DOLLAR CONSULTANTS IN THE PAST, BUT I AT LEAST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR DEVELOPMENT DIRECTORS ON BOARD AND NO SOME STUFF BEFORE WE TRIED TO DO THIS , BUT THAT'S JUST I THINK I COULD STRAIGHTEN OUT FOR YOU.

LOOK, SHE'S JUST USING HALF UNIT THING. I KIND OF FELT THERE WAS A CONSENSUS TO DISCUSS THE HALF UNIT IN A ZONING AND PROGRESS. I CAN DRAFT AN AGENDA ITEM WITH THE ZONING IN PROGRESS WITH THIS HALF UNIT ISSUE ON IT AT THE DAY WE SET OUT THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR THAT AGENDA ITEM. HALF UNITS WILL BE NOT ACCEPTED BY ANYBODY MOVING FORWARD FOR AT LEAST THREE MONTHS, HOWEVER. AT THAT FOLLOWING MONDAY'S MEETING. IF THE COMMISSION CLARIFIES THAT. ZONING AND PROGRESS AND SAYS NO, MIKE, YOU GOT IT WRONG. WE WANT IT TO BE ONLY HALF UNITS ON EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD. THEN THE ZONING IN PROGRESS WAS GOING TO BE NO HARM. NO FOUL FOR FIVE DAYS. SO WHEN I SAY I HAVE A CONSENSUS OF THE ISSUES YOU WANT ME TO INCLUDE IN THE ZONING AND PROGRESS. I'M GOING TO PUT THEM IN THAT RESOLUTION, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A FIVE DAY WINDOW WHERE I MIGHT HAVE OVERREACHED.

WHAT THE ULTIMATE CONSENSUS OF THE WHOLE COMMISSION WAS. UNTIL THAT COMMISSION MEETING TAKES PLACE ON THAT MONDAY, AT WHICH TIME YOU GUYS CAN ADJUST THOSE COMMENTS ACCORDINGLY. TWO YES, WHATEVER, AND THEN MOVINGUT OR FORWARD AFTER THAT, MONDAY NIGHT. THE ZONING IN PROGRESS WILL THEN LAST FOR 33 MONTHS, DURING WHICH TIME EVERYONE INDIVIDUALLY WILL MEET WITH THE

[04:00:07]

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME WE DO IT. NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING. WE HAD SUCH A GOOD EXAMPLE FROM THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL TONIGHT, AND I HAVE BEEN WHEN I STARTED THE, UM WHAT DID I START , DAVID? THEY THEY THEIR STRATEGIC PLANNING, AND WE HAD NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN IN 2013. I THINK I WAS MAYOR. NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING AND WE'VE BEEN PUSHING THAT, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS FINALLY, AFTER HOW MANY YEARS WERE ACTUALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED IS TO GET OUR PLANNING STAFF AND OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH NEIGHBORHOOD. YES, WE HAVE THE TRIANGLE AREA THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT. WE HAVE THE CREEK, EAST STEWART AND WE HAVE EVEN WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING EXPANDING THE C R A, UM, FURTHER SOUTH. WE HAD ALL THOSE KIND OF DISCUSSIONS. BUT IF WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO LOOK AT NEIGHBORHOODS OVER THE BRIDGE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, NORTH OF EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD, WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE NEED TO DO. NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING IS KEY, AND I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN THE ZIP ZONING THING. BUT I HOPE THAT STAFF IS HERE AND ENLISTING. AND OF COURSE, OUR CITY MANAGER KNOWS THAT ALL THESE THINGS COST MORE TIME. MORE EFFORT. BUT IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED AND IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO, I PROMISE PEOPLE ALSO WHEN I WAS BEING REELECTED, THAT I WOULD LISTEN TO THEM AND THAT WANT THEM TO HAVE A FORUM TO LET US KNOW SOME THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IF WE NEED TO LOOK MORE KEENLY AT SOME OF OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOODS AND BREAK THEM DOWN AND SPEND TIME QUARTERLY TO TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS AND TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, IF WE NEED TO PUT THAT AS A PART OF OUR PLANNING. UM UM AND DEVELOPMENT WAY OF THINKING AND STEWART. THEN LET'S DO THAT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY TIME WITH A SPECIFIC THING IN THE ZIP, ZIP ZIP ZONING DISCUSSION, BUT IT REALLY BRINGS TO FRUIT BECAUSE WE DID TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS TONIGHT, AND I THINK PEOPLE LIKE THE IDEA OF LOOKING AT NEIGHBORHOODS AND LOOKING AT THE SENSE OF PLACE AND LOOKING AT HOW THINGS ARE CHANGING, AND EVEN JUST EXAMINE HOW OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS. WHAT THE HISTORY OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE AND BRING THOSE NEIGHBORS OUT. NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR 25 YEARS WITH THE DO WANNA PLAN WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND THE COMMERCIAL AREA AND IF OTHER PEOPLE AND OTHER AREAS NEED TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND IN THEIR AREA.

LET'S START THAT AS A PART OF OUR PLANNING MODE AND DEAL WITH IT AND WORK WITH IT. IT WON'T TAKE A DAY IT'S GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER 25 YEARS. SORRY I GOT ALL OF IT. BUT OKAY, MIKE, DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE YOUR MARCHING ORDERS? MR MAYOR? CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

BECAUSE I WAS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. I WAS THE FIRST TO BRING THIS UP AND JUST SPOKE ABOUT IT IN THE ZONING IN PROGRESS IS NOT AN END IN ITSELF. OF COURSE, THE ZONING IN PROGRESS THE IDEA IS TO PAUSE. SO THAT. AT LEAST THIS COMMISSION CAN VERY EASILY DEVELOP A CONSENSUS. WHICH WE CAN SEE HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS. THERE'S A LEARNING CURVE HERE AMONGST SOME OF US TO UNDERSTAND

[04:05:03]

WHAT DO YOU SEE? IT'S BEEN FABULOUS. GOOD JOB, MICHELLE. SO BUT BUT IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT NONE OF US UP HERE WANT TO ZONING IN PROGRESS TO IMPACT THOSE DECISIONS? OKAY ZONING IN PROGRESS IS JUST LIMITED TO RESIDENTIAL IMPACTS AT THIS POINT, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT SINGLE FAMILY COMMERCIAL HAD MULTI FAMILY AS A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD BE A RESIDENTIAL IMPACT. IT'S NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTY. IT'S AN APPLICATION THAT HAS A MULTI FAMILY. IMPACT AND I DON'T WANT TO BEAT THIS TO DEATH, BUT MAYBE A HANDFUL. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT PERCENTAGE OF WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED IS EVEN INHABITED RIGHT THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT. A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE. A LOT OF THESE STUDIES ARE GOING TO BE COMING UP FROM THE GROUND UP AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE SEEING THAT. AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN AWARE THAT THESE THINGS ARE APPROVED YET LIKE ELIZABETH SPRING TREE, THERE'S MORE OF THESE THAT ARE ON THE WAY YOU DON'T SEE, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW FLOORS YET, SO WHEN PEOPLE START TO SEE THAT THERE. I DON'T THINK WE WE'VE EVEN DEALT WITH THE FULL FRUSTRATION FROM RESIDENTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN FULLY KNOW WHAT'S IN THE PIPELINE. ALREADY. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION . ORGANIZING YOUR WORKSHOPS. WE NEED TO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. THE STATEMENT STATUTE REGARDING THE WITH INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A LAND USE CHANGE IF THEY WANT TO DO. NO NO, SO RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD BLAME IT ON THE COUNTY, BUT BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY WORRIED ABOUT THIS STATE STATUTE DOESN'T GIVE ANY ADDITIONAL RIGHTS. OKAY GOOD DONORS AT ALL. IT SAYS THAT A COMMISSION HAS THE RIGHT TO GRANT RESIDENTIAL USES IN ANY LAND USE, EVEN IF THE LAND USE DOESN'T NORMALLY ALLOW IT WITHOUT A LAND USE CHANGE IF, IN FACT THE RESIDENTIAL USES HAVE AT LEAST 10% OF THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WOULD WITHSTAND A CHALLENGE OF THE LAND USE ASSIGNMENT OR THE DEVELOPMENT OF FOR VIOLATING THE CAN'T PLAN, BUT IT STILL REQUIRES. THE COMMISSION ITSELF TO DO IT. IT'S NOT A RIGHT COMES FROM THE OTHER SIDE THAT, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER CASE OF THE STATE. AH, COMING IN PREEMPTING US AND I'M I'LL TELL YOU I'M ACTUALLY VERY CONCERNED OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IF WE CONTINUE TO SEE 3 TO 500,000 PEOPLE MOVING TO THE STATE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BRING UP THIS UNDEVELOPED MINT, AND WE SHOULD DOUBLE DOWN NOW AND KEEP IT LOW DENSITY. HOWEVER, WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, BUT I MEAN THAT'S JUST IT'S JUST GONNA BE IT IT JUST BY THE WAY WE NEED TO FIGHT THE PREEMPTION. TO THE YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY TO WRITE. THAT IS ANOTHER DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S 9 40. OKAY, SO UM ANY OTHER QUICK COMMENTS TO MICRO DAY BEFORE WE CALL IT A NIGHT APOLOGIZE FOR IN A LONG COMMENT SUBNET. NOW

[04:10:02]

WHAT WE BUILD TO SPEAK APARTMENT BOXES THAT YOU DON'T LIKE. THEY DON'T BOTHER ME, EXCEPT FOR ALL THE TRAFFIC THEY CAUSE, WHICH IS A BIG PART OF IT. BUT ONE THING WE DO NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND ONE THING WE COULD DO IS TAKE THOSE TWO BASEBALL FIELDS OVER THERE. AND PUT COUPLE 100 UNITS IN THERE. AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE AREA WITH A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT WOULD SPEND MONEY. AND THOSE THOSE FIELDS ARE BARELY USED. AND THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY HALF A MILE TO THE SOUTH OF THERE AND 10TH STREET. SO THAT'S JUST MY SUGGESTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?

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