Nov 02, 2022 Special City Commission

WHAT A BOOK. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY TO CALL TO ORDER THE SPECIAL COMMISSION MEETING OF

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COMMISSIONER BRUNER HERE. COMMISSIONER CLARK HERE COLLINS RICH HERE, OKAY. IF YOU PLEASE JOIN ME IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE, FOLLOWED BY THE PUBLIC RELIGION. THANK YOU. YOU'RE BEAUTIFUL. ONE CONDITION. JUSTICE. OKAY? WELL WELCOME EVERYONE. COUPLE OF QUICK HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. IF YOU PLAN TO SPEAK TONIGHT, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, FILL OUT A GREEN CARD AND TURNED IT INTO THE CLERK? ALSO, UM. TWO OTHER THINGS. ONE IS THERE IS A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT UP TO THE FIRST ITEM IN CASE SOMEONE'S HERE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO WAIT AROUND, TOO. AFTER SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS, AND THEN FINALLY, UM, THIS IS A WORKSHOP . WE'VE GOT IT SCHEDULED. WE GOT SCHEDULED FOR THREE HOURS. UH SO DO YOU WANT TO DO A, UH GUESS AT THE OF WHAT THE COMMISSION WOULD DESIRE A HARD STOP TIME AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, OR WOULD YOU WANT TO JUST KEEP GOING TILL WE FINISH THE WEEKEND? SKIP CONTINUE WITH ADDITIONAL WORKSHOPS. IF IT GOES LONGER THAN THAT. WHAT IS THE THREE HOURS IS A VERY LONG TIME. OKAY SO WE'LL DO A SO, UH WE'LL DO A HARD STOP AT SEVEN O'CLOCK . IF WE GO THAT FAR, THANK YOU. AND SO I HAVE TO LEAVE. IT'S BECAUSE I HAVE A FAMILY EMERGENCY. YES WE UNDERSTAND THAT, AND WE'LL CERTAINLY KEEP THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. SO MOVING ON, UM. LET'S SEE WHERE WE GO HERE. SO WE'RE GONNA I'M

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[CONSENT CALENDAR]

COMMISSIONER BRUNER. HERE, COMMISSIONER. YES COLLINS. YES? YES COMMISSIONER CLARK? YES COMMISSIONER. RICH YES, MCDONALD. OKAY NOW WE CAN MOVE INTO PRESENTATIONS. UM ACTUALLY , IF WE CAN, LET'S JUST CLEAR UP ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. OUR MANAGER. COMMENTS THAT OFF ON

[1. FLORIDA STATUTES COUNTY AND MUNICIPAL PLANNING; LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION]

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REGULATE LAND OR REGULATE. CURFEWS OR NOISE, AND THEY ARE BASICALLY TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT THAT APPLY TO THE WHOLE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. AND THEN YOU ALSO SERVE AS IN A JUDICIAL MANNER UNDER QUASI JUDICIAL MATTERS WHERE YOU ACTUALLY SIT AS THE JUDGE AND HEAR PRESENTATIONS FROM PEOPLE AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THOSE APPLICANTS HAVE MET THE POLICIES AND OR CODES THAT WERE ADOPTED BY EITHER YOUR PANEL OR A PREVIOUS COMMISSION BEFORE YOU BUT THAT ARE ADOPTED IN OUR CODES ARE COMMON PLANT. AND OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE. UH, THE. THE CHARACTER OF THE HEARING THAT DETERMINES WHETHER OR NOT A BOARD ACTION IS LEGISLATIVE REQUESTS. JUDICIAL GENERALLY SPEAKING LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS RESULT IN THE FORMULATION OF A GENERAL RULE OR POLICY AND THE JUDICIAL ACTION RESULT IN THE APPLICATION OF A GENERAL RULE OR POLICY. SO FOR EXAMPLE, HISTORICALLY, THE CITY COMMISSION PASSED A LAW THAT SAID NO ONE CAN FERTILIZE THEIR LAWN IN JUNE. THERE WAS A BAN ON FERTILIZER IN THE SUMMERTIME IN FLORIDA. WELL THE COMMISSION LEGISLATIVELY. IMPLEMENTED THAT LAW THAT SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW FERTILIZER FROM MAY TO OCTOBER. NOW IF SOMEONE WERE TO BE FERTILIZING THEIR LAWN AND YOU HAD TO PENALIZE THEM FOR THAT JUDICIAL ACTION WOULD BE TO HEAR THE EVIDENCE. DETERMINE WHAT WAS BEING SPRAYED ON THE LAWN AND DETERMINE WHAT THE DATE WAS. AND IF, IN FACT IT VIOLATED THOSE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY RENDERED RENDERED. YOU WOULD BE JUDICIALLY ENFORCING IT, AND THAT WOULD BE THE QUASI ADDITION JUDICIAL NATURE OF IT. SO WHEN THE COMMISSION REVIEWS THESE APPLICATIONS ON EXISTING CODE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND THE REASON THAT IT MATTERS. IS BECAUSE THE JOB OF THE COMMISSION IS TO SET POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES AND THEN TO APPLY THE EXISTING CODE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT UM HAPPENS AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND PEOPLE TRY TO DO IS A ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

SOMETIMES IT'S THEY TRY TO MAKE REGULATIONS AND LAWS THAT APPLY TO EVERYONE EQUALLY, AND THEY FIT PERFECTLY WELL. FERTILIZER IS EASY BECAUSE IT'S A ONE SIZE FITS ALL BUT WE FOUND IN THE LAND USE REGULATIONS IS THAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON'S PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT. THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT. THE ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT THAN EXPOSURE OF THE PROPERTIES DIFFERENT WHERE THE SHADE IS DIFFERENT, THE WAY THE SUN SHINES THE WAY THE WIND BLOWS ITS LOCATION TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS ITS LOCATION TO THE TRAFFIC, ITS LOCATION TO THE NEIGHBORS, NO MATTER WHAT EVERYBODY'S PROPERTIES DIFFERENT AS A RESULT. ONE SIZE DOESN'T ALWAYS FIT ALL. AND FOR EXAMPLE , YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND STEWART THE VERY SMALLEST LOT SIZE WE HAVE IS 4365 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS OUR THREE, WHICH IS 10 UNITS PER ACRE 43,560. DIVIDED BY TENNIS 4356 SQUARE FEET. BUT IN E. STEWART, WE FOUND THAT THERE IS AN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT DON'T MEET THE 50 BY 100 STANDARD LOT SIZES THAT THE CITY OF STEWART HAS HISTORICALLY HAD, WHICH WOULD BE 5000 SQUARE FEET SO LONG AGO.

ONE OF THE CITY COMMISSIONS ADOPTED A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE REGULATIONS. AND THEY SAID THE CITY OF STEWART IS NOT GOING TO HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE. I'M SORRY. EAST. STEWART'S NOT GOING TO MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND THE REASON FOR THAT WAS BECAUSE IT WASN'T A ONE SIZE FITS ALL. NOW.

IF IN FACT WE SAID THERE WAS A MINIMUM OF 5000 SQUARE FEET, SEVERAL OF THOSE WOULD NO LONGER BE BUILDABLE LOTS. I MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE THE PURPOSE BETWEEN BEFORE THE QUASI JUDICIAL BOARDS IS. TO GATHER FIVE PEOPLE THAT WERE ELECTED BY THE BY THE PEOPLE. AND HAVE THEM SIT DOWN AND APPLY REASONABLE AND RATIONAL PERSPECTIVES. TO THE DATA PRESENTED. AND. TWO USE THE CODES AND COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. TO APPROVE AND OR DO NOT DENY THESE APPLICATIONS AND WHAT YOUR JOB THAT YOU'RE UNDERTAKING TO DO NOW. IT IS. NOT JUST FOR YOURSELVES. BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE WANT TO SET SOME POLICIES AND WE WANTED TO BE APPLICABLE TO THE NEXT 20 YEARS OR 30 YEARS, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SUCCINCT AND CLEAR AND THAT THESE POLICIES REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITY AND ARE APPLICABLE AND CAN BE APPLIED AND BE DONE WITH REASON AND THERE COULD BE DATA

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FLORIDA STATUTES CONTINUED THIS 163.3177. PROVIDES THE GUIDELINE THAT THE MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW WHEN ADOPTING THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. AND IT SAYS IT IS NOT THE INTENT OF THIS PART TO REQUIRE THE INCLUSION OF IMPLEMENTING REGULATIONS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT RATHER TO REQUIRE THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE PROGRAMS, ACTIVITIES AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT WILL BE PART OF THE STRATEGY. FOR IMPLEMENTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE PRINCIPLES THAT DESCRIBE HOW THE PROGRAMS, ACTIVITIES AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS WILL BE CARRIED OUT. I GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THAT IN OUR ON THE INCIDENCE OF ONE OF THE ZONING AND PROGRESS THAT YOU'RE GETTING READY TO HEAR IS THE HALF UNITS. WELL. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE EVERY SINGLE DETAIL OF WHAT AND HOW OR WHERE TO APPLY HALF UNITS AND THREE QUARTER UNITS AND HOW MANY SQUARE FEET THE UH, UNITS NEED TO BE. BUT IF THE BOARD WAS CONSIDERING TO KEEP SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COULD SAY AS A POLICY OBJECTIVE. THE CITY COMMISSION AS PART OF THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER UNIT SIZE WHEN INCREASING DENSITIES. VERY VAGUE, OPEN BROAD STATEMENT LIKE THAT. AND OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT OF MEASUREMENT BECAUSE WHAT THIS SAYS, IS THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION IS WHERE YOU PUT THE ACTUAL DETAILS OF

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IT'S WHAT THIS BOARD FINDS IS A CONSENSUS THREE VOTES AS A CONSENSUS, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD WILL ADOPT WHATEVER POLICY AND PROCEDURES ARE ADOPTED, AND THE INTENTION IS TO CREATE A FUTURE POLICY FURNITURE COMMISSIONS. AND THE FUTURE LANDOWNERS. TWO. ADDRESS. THE.

ROUGHLY 4000 ACRES THAT MAKE UP THE CITY OF STEWART. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR MARTEL. AND I

[2. DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT: COMMUNITY PLANNING ]

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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESOLUTION. 93 2022 AH, THIS WAS A RESOLUTION PASSED BY THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADDRESSING SECTION 2.7 POINT, 00 I THE DENSITY AND PARKING CALCULATIONS WITHIN THE URBAN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS THE ACTUAL CODE FROM THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT EXPLAINS WHAT THE URBAN URBAN PLAN DEVELOPMENT UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS IT'S RELATING TO GROSS DENSITIES OF UNDERLYING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AS DEFINED AND DESCRIBED, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OFFICE RESIDENTIAL MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL. INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRIAL, MARINE, INDUSTRIAL, RECREATION AND DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT. OR PUBLIC USES. AGAIN THIS IS AND A FURTHER POLICY WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT MR MARTEL WENT OVER EARLIER. THIS IS A TABLE THAT'S ACTUALLY HOW YOU WOULD APPLY THE HALF UNITS AND THE 0.7 UNITS WITHIN THE CODE. UM FOR EVERY 900 SQUARE FEET. YOU CAN HAVE THAT AS A HALF UNIT. THIS WAS THE FIRST THIS WAS ADOPTED IN 2020. AND THIS IS THE PARKING CALCULATIONS FOR A HAPPY UNIT WOULD BE 1.25 PARKING SPACE. IF YOU HAVE AN 1100 SQUARE FOOT IN YOUR URBAN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, YOU'RE ALLOWED TWO BEDROOMS AND THAT WAS COUNTED AS A 20.75 DENSITY UNIT AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO PARK IT AT 1.4 UNITS PER SPACE. IF YOU HAVE NO MAXIMUM SQUARE FEET. THERE IS THAT IS COUNTED AS ONE UNIT. AND THAT IS AND YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE 1.5 PARKING SPACES. AND I'M GONNA STOP HERE JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ZONING AND PROGRESS THAT TALKS ABOUT THE URBAN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY. RECEIVED THAT FRACTION OF A FRACTION OF THAT. 22 OF THEM. COMMISSIONER RIDGE. COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? IF YES, AND IF YOU ALSO OF ALL THE CHAIR TO RECOGNITION, SO GO AHEAD MANY UNITS IN THE CITY OF RECEIVED THAT FRACTIONAL DENSITY ZONE. THERE. THERE'S TWO OF THEM. YEAH SELFISH COVE AND ELIZABETH, SELFISH COVE AND ELIZABETH CANDLES RIGHT UNDER AND SEMINAL STREET, OKAY? OKAY. THE OTHER QUESTIONS. DID YOU GUYS. I KNOW THAT THE WAY JODY PULL IT TOGETHER IS SHE'S ONE PRESENTATION ON THE HALF UNIT. AND THEN THE NEXT HALF OF THIS PRESENTATION IS ON THE DENSITIES AND INTENSITIES. WE CAN HANDLE IT ALL AS ONE. ISSUE OR WE CAN KEEP THEM COMPLETELY SEPARATE. AND SEPARATELY WHATEVER PRESENTATIONS AND WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR DISCUSSION TO OPERATION. ALRIGHT OKAY. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JODY, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MAYOR MCDONALD. HE SAID. THE SECOND PART OF THE PRESENTATION IS THE SECOND RESOLUTION THAT WE ADOPTED ON OCTOBER 11TH OCTOBER 10TH. AND THIS IS ADDRESSING THE, UH, EVENTUALLY ALLOWED BY RIGHT WITHIN THE APPROVAL OF A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A DEFINITION OF WHAT A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN AN ARAB LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IT IS LAND UNDER UNIFIED CONTROL, PLANNED AND DEVELOPMENT AS A

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BUT I JUST I PROBABLY MISSED IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE CHIEF FELICITY OWN AS PART OF OUR REGULAR MEETING. MAYBE HE'S OUT THERE, BUT I HAD REASON RECENTLY TO COME INTO CONTACT WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND THEY WERE JUST ABSOLUTELY VERY, VERY GOOD IN THEIR RESPONSE AND WHAT THEY DID, AND I JUST WANTED TO PERSONALLY THANK CHIEF AND HIS STAFF. I JUST FORGOT AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, AND I JUST WANTED TO DO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ALIVE AND WELL AND FUNCTIONS AS A VERY, VERY TOP NOTCH, UM, TOP AWARD FOR DEPARTMENT AND I WANT I'M SO GLAD THAT I WAS IN THEIR HANDS AND THAT THEY TOOK CARE OF ME PERSONALLY, AND I KNOW THAT THEY TAKE CARE OF EVERYBODY IN THE CITY AS THEIR DUTY AND IT WAS JUST GOOD TO KNOW THAT, UM OR FIRE DEPARTMENT. REALLY? YOU KNOW, THEY MET THEIR BURDEN OF PROOF, AND THEY DID IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHIEF. YES, WE'RE VERY BLESSED TO HAVE SUCH A WONDERFUL UH, FIRST RESPONDERS OR POLICE AND FIRE ARE JUST E. M S GUYS ARE JUST WONDERFUL, SO I'D LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED. I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A SECOND AND, UM THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE CARD WILL SAY MISUNDERSTANDING. IN THE COMMUNITY AS OF LATE. PART OF THIS MEETING FOR THE ZONING AND PROGRESS. WAS, UM I ADVERTISED IT. WITH THE WITH A PICTURE OF UM ZIPPY THE CHIMP. FROM THE SULLIVAN SHOW, AND IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION THAT THERE WERE SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT I FELT LIKE THAT WAS MAYBE PERSONALLY DIRECTED AT THEM OR JUST GENERALLY OFFENSIVE. SO I WANTED TO SAY. IF YOU'RE HERE IF YOU'RE WATCHING I HAD NO INTENTION TO OFFEND YOU. AT ALL. THE USE OF ZIPPY THE CHIMP WAS BECAUSE ON HIS SHIRT IT SAID, Z, I P ZIP. I WAS PURELY TRYING TO GET MORE EYES AND GET MORE PEOPLE HERE TO FOCUS ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF STEWART GOING FORWARD. WITH THAT SAID, I HOPE YOU WILL TAKE MY WORD. THAT I HAD NO DESIRE TO OFFEND ANYBODY. AND IF IT DID OFFEND YOU AT THE TIME I WANT TO SAY I'M SORRY. I DID NOT INTEND TO. GET ANYBODY ON THE WRONG SIDE OF BEING INVOLVED IN THIS ZONING IN PROGRESS AND TAKE ANY ENERGY OR ATTENTION AWAY FROM IT BECAUSE I REALLY WANT US TO FOCUS ON HOW OUR NEIGHBORHOODS DEVELOP GOING FORWARD SO WE CAN ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY? WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT OF

[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC]

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AND THEN WE'RE ADDING MARTIN'S PUT IN THE RYE OCR, A ORION MARINE VILLAGE WITH OVER 200 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, THREE MAJOR RESTAURANTS 40 BOAT SLIP, ETCETERA ETCETERA WERE ON THE NORTH SIDE. I'M JUST REALLY SURPRISED. BACK IN THE OLD DAYS. TRAFFIC STUDIES WERE VERY IMPORTANT IF SOMEBODY TOOK A RADIUS AND JUST SAID HOW MANY UNITS WE PUT IN HOW MUCH CARS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE? I THINK I HAVE A BIG CONCERN IF OTHER PEOPLE CAN KIND OF VOICE THAT OPINION OR WHATEVER. I'M LIKE I SAID, I'M REAL PROUD TO BE HERE , AND I'M REAL PROUD TO LIVE HERE. I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE LATE 19 SIXTIES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HELEN MCBRIDE. AS ALWAYS. WELCOME, HELEN. NOT LIKE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. I'VE SIGNED UP FOR OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED MY CAMERA'S PREFER OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND OUR LAWYER HELPED ME OUT WITH IT BECAUSE I'M COMPLAINING ABOUT YOUR MICROPHONES. AND I APOLOGIZE LAST MONTH AT THE LAST MEETING.

I AM SO USED TO AND I COULDN'T HEAR YOU AND I SAID MICROPHONE AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE. THAT GENTLEMAN SPOKE FROM THE AUDIENCE AND FELT IT WAS MY FAULT. BUT I REALIZED, YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN TO WALES PARGO, BUT, YOU KNOW, SPEND THE EXTRA MONEY GET BETTER MICROPHONE OR YOU DON'T REALIZE YOU IS THERE ANYTHING YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT THE NICEST CHAIRS.

BUT THERE YOU SIT BACK AND YOU KIND OF TALK TO EACH OTHER, LIKE IN THE LIVING ROOM AND YOUR EASY CHAIR. SO PLEASE. YOU GOTTA REMEMBER YOU WANTED TO TALK LIKE YOU MAKE US TO HAVE TO TALK TO THE MICROPHONE. THANK YOU. GOOD ADVICE, ALAN. THANK YOU. OKAY. NEXT, JACKIE VITALY. ONE IS HERE. HIGH COMMISSIONERS JACKIE VITALI. I LIVE AT 38 SOUTHEAST, SEMINAL. UM SO JUST NITTY GRITTY . I UM ON I'M ON THE GOLDEN GATE AND A C AND THE CRS HAVE JUST IN THE COUNTY OF JUST ADOPTED FRACTIONAL DENSITY, BUT WE HAVE IT TIED TO THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A SOLUTION. GOING FORWARD THAT YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE FRACTIONAL DENSITIES MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FOR SMALLER, SMALLER PROPERTIES. UM BUT JUST MORE BROADLY, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS LARGER CONVERSATION . I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE SORT OF MANY MONTHS OF TALKING ABOUT GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. UM AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S TRUE THAT THE CITY HAS MADE SOME MISSTEPS AND PERHAPS WE'RE NOT MOVING IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO BE MOVING IN IN REGARDS TO GROWTH. I DON'T PERSONALLY THINK THAT THE SOLUTION IS TO STICK OUR HEADS IN THE SAND AND PUT KEEP OUT SIGNS ON THE BORDERS OF THE CITY AND SAY, YOU KNOW, NO TO EVERYTHING. I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS REALLY ARTICULATE A VISION FOR WHAT WE WANT THE CITY TO LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE. AND DO WE WANT IT TO BE A SORT OF, YOU KNOW? ON CLOTH FOR THE MEGA RICH, WHERE ONLY LIKE A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF ELITE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO LIVE HERE OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE AN INCLUSIVE CITY WHERE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE CAN THRIVE? AND YOU KNOW, I THINK HOUSING PLAYS

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OKAY AND I KNOW YOUR BROTHER CHRIST MY BROTHER, TOO. BUT I WOULDN'T PAINT A PICTURE LIKE THAT FOR ANOTHER BROTHER TO LOOK AT. I WOULDN'T DO THAT. I WOULDN'T TRY TO BRING HIM DOWN WHEN THE CITY IS WORKING TOGETHER TO TRY TO BREAK ALL OF THEM UP AT THE SAME TIME, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, THAT WE DON'T LIKE THAT WE GET ALONG WITH THE CHIEF. WE GET ALONG WITH THE CITY MANAGER WE GET ALONG WITH THE WHOLE CITY BOARD. YOU KNOW, WE DO A LOT OF THINGS TOGETHER. BUT NOW I'M JUST SITTING AT ONE TABLE AND LOOK ACROSS AT THIS FIGURE OF A MONKEY. THAT'S NOT GONNA BE GOOD. AND YES, WE FORGIVE YOU. BUT I HOPE IT DON'T START THE PROGRESS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING HERE IN STOOD PRAISE GOD, I HOPE NOT EITHER. PRAISE GOD. OKAY THANK YOU. AND JUST REMIND EVERYBODY DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE, UH, MAKAYLA. HARD KOWSKI . I HOPE I PRONOUNCED THAT. WELL MAYBE WHERE DO YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND YOUR ADDRESS. YOU CAN CORRECT ME. MICAH MICAH LIKE IT, SAYS MICHA HOTEL SKI HARTMAN BEFORE THE HARD TO SKI, RIGHT. YOU DID GET HER TALENT. I GREW UP WITH A LOT OF SKIS WHERE I GREW UP, SO HUSBAND WILL BE PLEASED TO HEAR IT. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MICHAEL BARTOWSKI. I LIVE AT 6 20, SOUTH EAST FIFTH STREET. I AM A LIFELONG CITY RESIDENT OR WELL COUNTY RESIDENT AND I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK KIND OF BROADLY AND PUT THINGS AGAIN IN BROAD TERMS FOR THE COMMISSION. AS WE KIND OF FACE THE NEXT TASK IN OUR IN OUR CHARTER, OF COURSE OF DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ON THE COMMISSION HAS RECENTLY ATTEMPTED TO PURCHASE THE HOME OR PURCHASE OR FIND NEW PLACES TO LIVE. IT'S INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT AS SOMEONE WHO DID PURCHASE THE HOME IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND LOOKED FOR A LONG TIME TO DO SO. AND PRIOR TO THAT, WHEN STARTING A BUSINESS HAD TO FIND HOUSING FOR MYSELF HAD TO COUNCIL EMPLOYEES AND WHERE TO FIND HOUSING WHEN THEY WERE WORKING AT A RESTAURANT OR ON A PART IT WAS REALLY, REALLY CHALLENGING. THE CITY HAS AN INCREDIBLE CHALLENGE WITH HOUSING. AND UM I WOULD CAUTION YOU ALL NOT TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER TO USE IT. TERRIBLE EXPRESSION. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE SAY THAT. UM BUT TO BE MEASURED IN YOUR APPROACH AND TO THINK LONG TERM BECAUSE THESE REPERCUSSIONS WILL HAVE LONG TERM EFFECTS. UM I UNDERSTAND WHAT MR ASHLEY IS SAYING. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT NOTE ABOUT CARS, BUT WE SHOULD ALSO BE LOOKING MORE BROADLY AT HOW WE TALK ABOUT TRANSPORT AND GENERAL LAYOUT. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO HAVE CARS TO WALK A MILE TO BIKE A MILE TO BIKE FIVE MILES WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO. MORE WITH LESS. THAT'S THE POINT OF DENSITY. UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GREAT CITIES, WE'RE USUALLY LOOKING AT KIND OF A TRIANGLE OF FACTORS, EITHER DENSITY AMENITIES TAX BASE AND LIKE WE NEED TO PICK A COUPLE OF

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PRESIDENT MY ENCOUNTER BRANCH AND W. C P YOU KNOW, ALSO SMALL BUSINESS OWNER BARBECUE. GOOD EVENING. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO START OUT SOON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR APOLOGY VERY IMPORTANT. UM AS BROTHER TO CRASH. I HEARD MY PASTOR. JUST COVER A LOT OF GROUND THERE.

THIS PASTOR. YOURS. MOM. PASTOR. THANK YOU. THOSE WORDS, UM I DON'T WANT TO SAY TO THE COMMISSIONERS, ALL OF YOU. IN THE CITY MANAGER. YOU. IN THE LAST PAST EIGHT YEARS. YOU HAVE GROWN TO BE SOME OF THE GREATEST COMMISSIONER WE EVER HAD IN THE CITY OF STEWART WON'T TELL YOU THAT FOOTBALL. WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST RELATIONSHIP IN OUR COMMUNITY IS STUART OUTSIDE E.

STEWART. AND ALSO STEWART MADE OF ALL PARTIAL MARTIN COUNTY. EVERY PART OF THE MIND. CANNY INDIAN CHILD HOPE SEAN ALL HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH STUART. WE HAVE SEEN YOUR HEART CHALLENGE IN THE GOOD TIMES. I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1962. I HAVE DEALT WITH EVERY KIND OF RATIO EVERY KIND OF UPS AND DOWNS THROUGH SCHOOLS AND ALL AND WE HAVE COME SO FAR TO TURN AROUND. WE TALK ABOUT GOD. WE BELIEVE IN GOD, WE WANT TO STAY WITH YOU. SOME PEOPLE DON'T THAT'S FINE, TOO.

BUT LET'S JUST REMEMBER. WE FOR THE LOVE ONE ANOTHER. REGARDLESS. IF SOMEONE HURT YOUR FAMILY, YOU WANT SOMEONE TO PICK HIM UP AND HELP AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO PICK UP ONE ANOTHER HERE IN THE CITY OF STEWART. WE HAVE SOME GREAT THINGS WE GOT GOING ON, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE AS U N W WANT TO STAND BEHIND ALL PEOPLE. WE FIGHT FOR ALL PEOPLE.

ALL RIGHT. EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. YOU NAME IT. BUT WITH THIS HOUSING THINGS ONLY SPEAKING ON I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT. UH, COMING UP YOUR MIND COUNTY HERE. MY FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE SO LONG. THAT, UHE GEORGIA. JEB BUSH. I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE HEARD THIS STORY.

YOU EVER HEAR AGE FLOWERS? SECRETARY OF TRADE YOU FOR 27 YEARS. AND WAIT FOR THE BUSHES.

AND WHEN SHE RETIRED, SHE GOT NOTHING. COULDN'T EVEN GET SOCIAL SECURITY. BECAUSE THEY PAID UNDER THE TABLE. PAY THE PEANUTS. SHE GOT IN TOUCH. OKAY? THANK GOD GOD HAD ANOTHER WILL IN AROUND THE BUSH. SHE SERVED ALL THOSE YEARS. SO WHAT? I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE SO MANY OF US, OUR FOLKS, OUR BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE HAVE WORKED AND SERVED HAVE FOUGHT IN THIS COUNTY HAVE DIG GROUNDS AND HELPED PAVE THE WAY HAVE WORKED AT EVERY FLOWER FARM HELP HELP WHEN THE DIRT ROAD WAS DIRT. WE DID. WE PAID A PRICE. AND THEN WE SPEAK ABOUT GOD SAID HEY, POOR PEOPLE ALWAYS GONNA BE PRESENT. BUT THEY MALEVOLENT ENCOUNTERED PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.

YOU MIGHT BE BLESSED AND HAVE MORE. SOME OF YOU PROBABLY INHERITED A LOT. CAME FROM THE BLESSINGS OF SOMEBODY ELSE. HANDS. WORKING IN THE COTTON FIELDS. I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO SLAVERY AND TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT I WANT YOU AS A CITY COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND. THAT WHEN YOU WERE THINKING OF PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS THINK OF WHAT YOU ARE CAPABLE DOING. THINK ABOUT WHAT ALL PEOPLE IT'S ABLE TO DO. AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO SAY TO MY REPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JIMMY. AH, NEXT WILL BE ROBYN CARTWRIGHT. STOLEN. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR HOLDING THIS WORKSHOP. FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE IT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS FOR A WHILE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, AND SO IT'S GREATLY APPRECIATED. YOU CAN TELL BY THE ATTENDANCE ON A RANDOM WHATEVER DAY OF THE WEEK. THIS IS, UM I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE MR ASHLEY COMMENTS ABOUT EVERYTHING BEING REVIEWED IN A SILO. WE REALIZED THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME BEFORE YOU WITH PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR LAND DEVELOPED. BUT IT IS YOUR JOB. AS WE HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY OVER AND OVER AGAIN. IT IS THE JOB OF THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING IN TOTALITY AND HOLISTICALLY. THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS LIKE THE TRAFFIC STUDIES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEM IN A SILO. THEY LOOK VERY INNOCENT AND LIKE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY LONG TERM IMPLICATIONS. BUT EVEN JUST BY THOSE BRIEF SET OF NUMBERS THAT HE PROVIDED IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THEY ARE SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION AS PART OF YOUR DELIBERATIONS. UM WILL THERE BE AN ANNEXATION REVIEW? WILL YOU LOOK AT WHAT YOUR ANNEXING BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS GREATER ABILITY TO BUILD HIGHER TO BUILD MORE TO BUILD WITH LESS BUFFERS THAN THE COUNTY DOES. WILL YOU BE LOOKING AT AS PART OF YOUR TEXT AMENDMENT DISCUSSION? UM WILL YOU BE LOOKING AT THE WORDS PROTECTION VERSUS MITIGATION

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YOU KNOW, AS I MONITOR UM. DIFFERENT POSTS AND EVERYTHING AND MARINATING THE POST AND THE LIFE FROM YESTERDAY. I SAW THAT . YOU KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PERSON WAS LIKE, OH, YOU JUST SAID NOTHING WRONG. YOU DID NOTHING. AND I'M LIKE HERE WE GO AGAIN, CAUSING ANOTHER DIVIDE AND SOMETIMES, UM, WHAT MAY NOT OFFEND OTHERS OF FIN. A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE AND AS I STATED YESTERDAY. APOLOGY. IT'S GOOD BECAUSE OF THE POSITION THAT YOU HOLD. UM THE POSITION THAT YOU HOLD NOW IS FOR THE ENTIRE COMMISSION BOARD AND THE ENTIRE CITY OF STEWART. SOME MAY NOT AGREE, BUT ONE THING THAT AS I WAS SITTING THERE, AND YOU KNOW , SOMETIMES YOU CAN FEEL THE TENSION. IN THE COMMUNITY AND IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS. IF YOU KEEP BEATING PEOPLE DOWN. AFTER A WHILE, THEY'RE GOING TO GET TIRED. THEY'RE GOING TO GET TIRED. AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS YOU TRY AND YOU GOT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT'S TRYING TO HOLD THE PEACE TRYING TO KEEP EVERYONE TOGETHER. TRYING TO CONTINUE TO LOVE TRYING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE GRACE AND MERCY. AND IT'S SOMETIMES YOU GET YOU GET WEIGHED DOWN, MR SMITH. I CAN GET WAY DOWN A LOT OF TIMES. I GET WEIGHT DOWN BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT. SO AS A AND I'M TALKING TO OUT THE TALKING ABOUT US AS HUMANS. AS WE GO FORWARD AND YOU HOLD POSITIONS HERE THAT GOES FOR ALL OF US. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR TITLE IS. WE ARE HUMANS FIRST. YOUR TITLE COMES SECOND. ASKED FOR A POLICE OFFICER. IT COMES SECOND. SO WHERE THAT PICTURE DOES NOT OFFEND YOU, AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING ELSE TO OTHERS. IT MEANS A LOT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF HURT. WITH THAT. AND AS WE TRY AND GET THE COMMUNITY TO COME TOGETHER. AND CHANGE MAY NOT WE CANNOT STOP. AS MR STEVE OFTEN TELL ME, WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP THE CHANGE. WE HAVE TO ADJUST, SO WE'RE GONNA NEED TIME TO ADJUST AND LEARN. WITH THIS CHANGE THAT IT'S HAPPENING, BUT DON'T CONTINUE TO BEAT US DOWN. DO NOT CONTINUE TO BEAT US DOWN. BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF GRACE. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF MERCY. THANK YOU, ANTHEA. JOSEPH COOPER. JUST REMIND EVERYBODY, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND DIRECTOR ALL COMMISSION COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE. GOOD AFTERNOON. JOSEPH COOPER 906 SOUTH EAST NINTH STREET. I JUST WANTED TO COME TO FOLD BUT MOSTLY FOCUSED ON THE ZIP PROCESS AND YOU'RE GONNA HEAR A LOT OF CHATTER ABOUT. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A MOVEMENT ABOUT THIS GROWTH THAT HAS GONE ON IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. BUT WHEN I WAS GROWING UP HERE IT IS BORN IN THE LATE SIXTIES SEVENTIES, AND I SAW THE POPULATION COMING LEAVING AND GOING OFF TO COLLEGE IN THE EIGHTIES THAT THE WHOLE COUNTY POPULATION WAS ABOUT 80,000 FOLKS AND ABOUT 8 TO 12,000 AND IN THE WINTER OF MONTE WAS SWELL A LITTLE BIT WITH THE FOLKS COMING IN FROM THE NORTH. WHEN I LOOK IN YOUR FAST FORWARD THIS VAST COUNTY NOW WITH THE POPULATION OF THE COUNTY BEING

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IT'S FACTS THAT THE CONSULTANTS PUT TOGETHER YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THE GROWTH IS GOOD BECAUSE NOW I GET TO BE ABLE TO THRIVE IN A TOWN THAT GREW UP IN THAT HAD TO GO OUT AND COME BACK AND I CAN RAISE MY KIDS AND I CAN AFFORD TO DO IT WITH OPPORTUNITIES SO PEOPLE NEED OPPORTUNITIES. THEY NEED JOBS. WE NEED HOUSING HAS TO BE BALANCED. YOU DON'T BUILD YOU DON'T BUILD THE COMMERCIAL SPACES. YOU CAN'T GET THE JOBS. YOU DON'T BUILD MULTI FAMILY BECAUSE EVERYBODY DON'T WANT TO OWN A HOME MILLENNIALS. THEY DON'T WANT TO OWN HOMES. THE TREND IS STANDING APARTMENT. GO TO EUROPE FOR A MONTH ABOUT TO CUT THE GRASS COME BACK. THEY WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THE DEPARTMENT. THEY DON'T WANT TO OWN A HOME. THEY DON'T WANT THAT RESPONSIBILITY. YOU HAVE TO. THAT'S THE WAY WE ARE THE TRENDING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE FORD LAUDERDALE THAT PASSED AND WE HAD RESPONSIBLE GROWTH. WE COULD CONTINUE TO DO RESPONSIBLE GROWTH, NOT NO RULES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOE. AH! EARL HALL. ROLL HALL 9 17 TALKIN AVENUE ALL MY LIFE. I'M I AGREE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SPOKE TODAY ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING WE NEEDED BECAUSE I MEAN LET'S JUST NEEDED WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PLACES TO GO AROUND HERE. SO AND ALSO WITH MRS COLLINS WITH THE THING THAT HE BROUGHT EVERYTHING TO THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE. WHAT MR HARVIN'S MADE THE POST STUFF. I'M JUST SAYING THAT HE'S DIDN'T I DON'T. I'VE NEVER REALLY HEARD AN APOLOGY TO STATE LIKE I SAW THAT I SAW THE VIDEO AND FOR HIM TO SAY THAT HE'S NOT GOING TO TAKE IT DOWN BECAUSE IT WAS ME. HE'S WRONG. I MEAN, IF YOU OFFEND SOMEBODY JUST TAKE IT DOWN JUST TO SHOW THEM. YOU'RE NOT. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T CARE TO OFFEND PEOPLE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I MEAN, AND THEN ALWAYS I GREW UP. MY MOM WAS A BUS DRIVER. SHE ALWAYS RODE AROUND WITH THE CHARACTER COUNTS ON THE FRONT OF HER CAR FOR MARTIN COUNTY. AND I'VE BEEN THAT THIS DOESN'T REPRESENT GOOD CHARACTER. YOU DON'T STOP. I JUST THINK SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT THAT. AND MARK MY EYESIGHT. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE ELSE. BUT YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT PEOPLE DIFFERENT AND TRY TO YOU KNOW, WORK WITH OTHER PEOPLE. YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE A LIKE ONE DAY, HE SAID. A CLOSED DOOR ARMS TO THINK LIKE, HOW I THINK IS THE WAY IT IS. GOTTA FIT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BONNIE MOSER. HMM. HI, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS BONNIE MUSTER. I LIVE AT 11 21 SOUTH EAST 10TH STREET. I APOLOGIZE FOR MY SON. I THOUGHT WHEN I SAW WORKSHOP THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE MORE TABLES ACROSS THE REAL LIKE BASIC FACE DISCUSSION. UM I JUST WANTED TO ECHO WHAT THE WOMAN IN THE YELLOW SHIRT IN THE BACK, SAID.

I THINK UM, I'LL START WITH THIS . I'M AN URBAN DESIGNER. I WORK IN DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT. I FOCUS ON MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION. I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT MY JOB. I'M ALSO VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE CITY OF STEWART. UM WHAT? I'VE SEEN A LOT. UM ON FACEBOOK. JUST TALKING TO FOLKS AROUND THE CITY. WE KNOW WHAT WE DON'T WANT. EVERYONE TALKS AND YELLS ABOUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT. BUT I THINK THE CITY IS LACKING A VISION FOR THE THINGS THAT WE DO WANT AND THAT'S GETTING IN OUR WAY. I THINK, UM OUR ZONING COULD ALL BECOME A LOT CLEARER IF WE COULD, UM WORK WITH THE CITY, UM, TO HAVE A DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN AND UPDATED DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN THAT DOES SAY THAT WE WANT AND GIVES DEVELOPERS THAT THE IDEAS UM, SO THAT THEY KNOW BECAUSE DEVELOPERS WILL WORK WITH CITIES WHEN THEY HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT WE WANT . UM I COULD SAY SO MANY THINGS I'M SO PASSIONATE, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY, I THINK FOLKS ARE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING A LOT, AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT

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GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS. UM THANKS FOR HAVING THIS MEETING. I THINK IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT MEETING FOR THE COMMUNITY OF STEWART. MY NAME IS BOB ERNST AND I'M BOX 371 IN STUART, FLORIDA. COMMUNITY CHARACTER IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT THING AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER ONE FOR PLANNERS. I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. I KNOW. AND YOU LOOK YOU SAY FOR A VISION. WHAT DO WE LIKE HERE? WHAT DON'T WE LIKE HERE? AND EXISTING COMMUNITY CHARACTER CAN A PARKWAY IS BASICALLY ONE AND TWO STORY RESIDENCE AND THAT WOULD BE FROM US ONE. WHERE CAN I MEET US ONE? ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE COUNTY URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY.

UH I WANT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO KIN OR AN INDIAN. THAT'S WHERE THE BRIDGE COMES IN THE NEW BRIDGES FROM PALM CITY TO HEAR AND IN ONE CORNER, YOU HAVE THE 7 11 MOBILE GAS STATION. THE OTHER. THE CLEVELAND CLINIC, A NEW IN ADDITION, THE THIRD IS A NATIONAL RESERVE. AND THE FOURTH BEING BUILT NOW IS A FOUR PLUS STORY TENEMENT. RIGHT ON CANADA.

A SIGNIFICANT CONTRAST IT EXISTING COMMUNITY CHARACTER. NATIVE VEGETATION DECIMATED THE HEIGHT ISSUE AGAIN. LIKE THE PREVIOUS STORAGE DEBACLE ON US ONE. CONTRAST THIS ONE BLOCK EAST ON INDIAN HEADING TOWARDS US 11 BLOCK EAST. AT THE CORNER OF WILLOUGHBY, AN INDIAN THE CROSSINGS AT INDIAN RIVER. YOU REALLY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT SAID BECAUSE THE NATIVE REGISTRATION WAS RETAINED TO ONE AND TWO STORY. APARTMENTS. IN THE NATIVE EXISTING VEGETATION. I'LL TAKE YOU OUT OF POMEROY AND MARKET ON US ONE. THAT'S WHERE THE FORD DEALER IS ON ONE CORNER. THE HONDA DEALER IS ON THE OTHER CORNER. THE RACETRACK IS ON THE THIRD CORNER. AND WHAT'S ON THE FOURTH CORNER. FRONTS ON US ONE FROM SAN MARKET FROM SUN COMMERCE. CANNOT BE SEEN FROM ANY OF THESE STREETS. EXISTING NATIVE VEGETATION BUFFER. WHAT IS ON THE FOURTH CORNER. THE LARGEST BOX STORE RETAILER IN AMERICA. WALMART. IN CLOSING. THE FOUR STORY LIMIT IS NOT STUART WE CAN SEE THAT. WHEN YOU GET THE COMPLAINTS BECAUSE YOU APPROVED FOR STORY SALVAGE, AS YOU DID ON. US ONE AND IS NOW HAPPENING. THANK YOU. THE OTHER IS NATIVE VEGETATION NEEDS TO BE PRESERVATIVE. WALMART CAN DO IT. ON ALL FOUR SIDES TENDS UP. THANK YOU, MR UM NEXT SPEAKER ROBERT RANIERI. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. FOR THE RECORD, ROBERT, HARRIET 15, NORTH WEST, FLAGLER AND STEWART. SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE THIS MEETING HAPPENED LOOKING FORWARD TO THE SERIES OF MEETINGS. FOLLOW UM I'LL URGE YOU ALL, PLEASE, WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AND SOLUTIONS WITHIN THE CITY THAT YOU BASE THOSE DISCUSSIONS ON FACT NOT FEAR THROUGH THE CAMPAIGNS IS AND WE SAW A LOT OF THE FEAR. THE REALITY IS, YOU KNOW STAIRS IN THE FACE. THERE'S YOU GOT 200 ACRES ROUGHLY OR SO DEVELOPING WITHIN THE CITY. 130 OF THEM ARE COMMERCIAL. WE HAVE A FOUR STORY HEIGHT LIMIT OF THE 70 THAT'S LEFT FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. I THINK THE BIGGEST PARCELS TWO OR THREE ACRES, SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE MANHATTAN. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE MIAMI. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE FORT LAUDERDALE. I THINK WE NEED TO STOP THOSE UNHEALTHY, UNPRODUCTIVE DISCUSSIONS AND TALK ABOUT INSTEAD WHAT WE WANT TO BE. NOT WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE, UM AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THIS SINGLE FAMILY SOLUTIONS DO NOT

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GOOD EVENING, MADELINE. AND IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD SMELL IN GREENWOOD AT LEAST LEAVE THE CIRCLE AND STEWART AND I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD ME MANY, MANY TIMES BEFORE, AND I WANT TO SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE'S TALKED ABOUT, WITH BALANCE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THE BALANCE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING SOLUTIONS HOUSE AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF EMOTION THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH BUILDS AND AROUND THIS ISSUE, SO THE HOUSING SOLUTIONS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO, UM, BASE OUR DECISIONS OR HELP THE COMMISSION BASED DECISIONS ON FACTS AND DATA, AND I'VE NO HOUSING STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE.

BUT POST COVID WITH THE MASS MIGRATION OF PEOPLE TO OUR COMMUNITY, FEEL LIKE WE NEED A NEW HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COMMISSIONER TO DIRECT STAFF TO WORKED WITH HOUSING SOLUTIONS COUNCIL TO BRING THE FLORIDA HOUSING COALITION COALITION DOWN TO DO A STUDY. WE'VE TALKED WITH THEIR LEGAL TEAM. THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT FOR THE COUNTY AND THE CITY TO SEE WHAT HOUSING NEEDS ARE AND THEN ALSO TO PROVIDE SOLUTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN EFFECTIVE AROUND THE STATE AND OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES WITH SOME EXAMPLES AND THEN ALSO WHAT GOVERNMENT POLICIES CAN BE IMPLEMENTED TO HELP. FOR US TO MEET THOSE THOSE NEEDS. SO UM, UH, THEY ALSO HAVE TRAININGS FOR THE CITY AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AND WE HOPE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A PART OF THAT. IF YOU WOULD, THEN WE CAN BRING THEM IN. HAVE THEM MEET WITH YOU, UM WITH THE STAFF AND LOOK TO A DATE WHEN WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THAT GOING AND HAVE A FOLLOW UP THAT WE HAVE SOME REAL ANSWERS. SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A BALANCE AND WE CAN PROTECT OUR LOCALS, WHICH WE AREN'T DOING RIGHT NOW. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT PROTECTING OUR LOCALS AND OUR LOCAL WORKFORCE. AND THERE'S SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN HAVE NEW PEOPLE COME IN, BUT ALSO OUR LOCALS, AND IT CAN HAPPEN REALLY ECONOMICALLY VIABLE AND SAFE AND WONDERFUL COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADELINE. CAROL AND LEONARD. JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME. THANK YOU. CAROL ANN LEONARD 17 12, SOUTH EAST JACKSON STREET, STEWART. GOOD AFTERNOON. WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE ONLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BEING BUILT. WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR ALL WORKERS, AND NOT JUST THE FIRST RESPONDERS, NURSES AND TEACHERS . PEOPLE LIKE CASHIERS, NON MEDICAL STAFF AT THE MINI ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES IN MARTIN COUNTY, HOTEL AND RESTAURANT WORKERS BECAUSE OUR ECONOMY DEPENDS ON TOURISM SERVICE INDUSTRY, SMALL BUSINESS PERSONNEL. RETAIL SALESPERSONS SENIORS ON FIXED INCOME THE LIST GOES ON. ARE ANY OF THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENTS PRICE FOR THESE PEOPLE. WEST PALM BEACH HAS SOME INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS FOR LOW AND MIDDLE INCOME PEOPLE. SEE THE PALM BEACH POST ARTICLE BY MIKE DIAMOND ON 10 28. A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT HAS SMALL UNITS WITH JUST ONE ROOM AND BATHROOM NOT SO GREAT BUT STILL PROVIDES SHELTER AND BASIC NEEDS FOR LOWER INCOME PEOPLE. PRICE REAL PRICES BASED ON INCOME IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA, THEY HAD SOME SMALL BASIC NEEDS TYPE UNITS IN THE LARGE BUILDING THERE WERE OWNED BY PEOPLE AND SOLD AT LOWER COST TO PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR INCOMES. OWNERSHIP CAN BE A FACTOR AND INFLUENCING ONE TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PEOPLE WHO DON'T TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY, WHETHER THEY OWN IT, RENT IT OR ASSISTED IN LIVING THERE. I THINK THEY ARE NOT THE MAJORITY NOT TURN UNUSED OFFICE SPACE AND A REASONABLY PRICED CONDO LIKE UNITS FOR SALE. THERE

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AND WHAT THEY SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHERE STUART IS GOING FOR THE FUTURE. OKAY I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER COLLINS FOR AT LEAST GETTING THE STARTED WHERE WE ARE LOOKING AND LOOKING FORWARD AND BEFORE WE KEEP APPROVING THINGS LOOKING FORWARD AS TO HOW WE WANT TO BUILD THIS CITY, AND I THINK PEOPLE MADE REALLY GOOD POINTS TONIGHT. THERE'S A BALANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE. YOU DO HAVE THINGS IN YOUR TOOLBOX. YOU JUST HAVE TO BE MORE DEMANDING. IF BUILDERS WANT TO BUILD YOUR IN STUART YOU LET THEM KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE HOW MUCH THEY HAVE TO GIVE TOWARDS PUBLIC HOUSING OR LOW INCOME HOUSING SO THAT PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THIS CITY CAN LIVE HERE. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE THE COMMISSIONER'S TOOLBOXES, AND WE NEED TO START MAKING IF PEOPLE WANT TO BUILD HERE, AND THEY HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT. MAKE THEM START DOING WHAT WE WANT, NOT WHAT THEY WANT. OKAY SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER JOHN GOODRICH. WELCOME, JOAN. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC JOHN GOODRICH WITH THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD IN MARTIN COUNTY. YOUR ECONOMIC PARTNER JUST WANTED TO ECHO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT SUGGESTS THAT HOUSING IS CONNECTED TO THE ECONOMY, NOT ONLY TO PROVIDE THE TALENT THAT ARE SMALL BUSINESSES NEED TO CONTINUE TO GROW, AND CERTAINLY THAT BECAME VERY EVIDENT DURING THE PANDEMIC. BUT ALSO AS CONSUMERS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT VARIETY OF HOUSING AS YOU CONTINUE TO BUILD A BEAUTIFUL STEWART. JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN HOUSING AND THE ECONOMY AND WHATEVER WE CAN DO AS YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNER TO SUPPORT, UM, YOUR CONVERSATION MARKET RESEARCH THAT YOU MAY NEED. PLEASE KNOW THAT THAT WE'RE READY TO PROVIDE THAT, TOO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER MICHELLE MCFADDEN. THANK YOU, MICHELLE. WELCOME. UM MICHELLE MCMANAMAN 84 84 37 SOUTHEAST, BUT GOING AWAY. I'M IN THE CITY OF HOPE SOUND AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I WOULD LIKE I WANTED TO COME AND SPEAK TO SPEAK ABOUT THE HOUSING. BUT WHEN I PULLED UP ON FACEBOOK, SAYING THIS PICTURE THAT WAS POSTED ON THERE AND ME TRYING TO TELL MY 13 YEAR OLD SON MY TWIST MY 13 YEAR OLD SON ABOUT SAYING THE WORD CRACKER AND LIKE I TOLD HIM WE DON'T CALL PEOPLE NAMES LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, AND NOW I GOT TO SEE THIS ON FACEBOOK. NOW I GOT TO GO AND HE'S LOOKING AT IT, AND HE'S LIKE, OH, BUT YOU TOLD ME NOT TO CALL AND SAY STATE OF WORD CRACKER. BUT HERE, THERE'S A WHITE MAN SITTING UP THERE, POSTING A PICTURE OF A MONKEY SMOKING A CIGAR. SO NOW YOU TELL ME, HOW DO I GO BACK AND TRY TO GET MY SON ON THE RIGHT TRACK OF BEING RESPECTABLE OF ALL HIS PEERS, PEOPLE ADULTS BECAUSE I MEAN IT'S OUT OF CONTROL. YOU DON'T POST PICTURES UP HERE LIKE THAT. I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE HOW I'M GOING TO TELL MY SON OR SOMETHING. HOW I'M GOING TO TRY TO TEACH HIM THE RIGHT WAY OF LIFE. SAYING TO SOMEBODY GROWN ADULT POSTING PICTURES LIKE THE SIMP. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN DOWN. IT SHOULDN'T BE POSTED UP THERE FROM THE GET GO BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE ME, TOO. IT'S JUST LIKE US TELLING OUR CHILDREN CHILDREN WHAT WE CAN'T AND SHOULDN'T DO WHEN THEY KNOW THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT, BUT THEY DO IT. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE NEED AFFORDABLE LIVING AROUND HERE FOR THE HOUSING BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE AROUND HERE THAT DON'T MAKE AS MUCH AS AS THEY WANT TO SAY TEACHERS. I WORKED THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. I DON'T MAKE

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THAT COULD COME IN HERE ABOUT EVERYTHING AND PUSHES OUT THE WAY. BUT AGAIN, WE NEED TO WATCH WHAT WE PUT ON FACEBOOK. WHAT WE POST BECAUSE WE GOT CHILDREN THAT'S COMING UP. AND IF WE'RE TRYING TO TEACH THEM TO RESPECT OTHER COLORS, WE NEED THEM TO MR WE NEED OUR OTHER COLORS TO RESPECT US, TOO. THANK YOU HAVE A NICER THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LUCY MCGUIRE. WELCOME BLUESY AND IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD LUCY MCGUIRE. I LIVE AT 16 09 SOUTHEAST CLAREMONT STREET IN PORT ST LUCIE, ACTUALLY SO. I AM VERY INVOLVED IN THIS COMMUNITY , AND I ACTUALLY AM BORN AND RAISED HERE. SO WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE A LOT OF TIMES THEY TELL ME OH, A LOCAL. WOW. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S RARE. WHY IS THAT RARE? WHY IS IT RARE FOR A LOCAL TO STAY IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE DON'T ENCOURAGE OUR LOCALS TO STAY IN THE COMMUNITY WON'T GIVE . WE DON'T GIVE THEM AN OPTION TO STAY IN THE COMMUNITY. I HAVE MULTIPLE FRIENDS WHO ARE FORCED OUT OF THE STATE BECAUSE OF HOW HIGH FOR PRICES WERE OR ARE RIGHT NOW, AND ACTUALLY, I'M VERY INVOLVED IN INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AND I HAVE A BUSINESS HERE LOCALLY THAT I WORK IN STUART. I SUPPORT THE STUART COMMUNITY. I GO TO LOCAL CHAMBER EVENTS. I GO TO SO MUCH IN OUR COMMUNITY AND GIVING BACK AND I CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN MARTIN COUNTY, SO I JUST BOUGHT HER HOME LAST YEAR. AND TRIED TO PURCHASE A HOME. BUT COULD NOT AFFORD TO LIVE IN MARTIN COUNTY.

NO MATTER HOW MUCH HARD I TRIED, I HAD TO FORCE MYSELF INTO EASTPORT ST LUCIE BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE AS CLOSE TO STEWART AS POSSIBLE. BUT THAT WAS AND I WAS LUCKY THE I'M VERY CLOSE IN THE REAL ESTATE WORLD AS WELL. AND THE AVERAGE SALES PRICE JUST , UM LAST MONTH WAS $785,000.

THE MEDIAN SALES PRICE, WHICH IS IF YOU TAKE THE LOWEST HOUSE AND THE HIGHEST HOUSE WAS $551,000 ME HOW SOMEONE WHO WORKS IN OUR RUSSIAN INDUSTRY WHO WORKS IN ANY JOB THAT ISN'T MAKING A LOT OF MONEY CAN AFFORD TO PURCHASE THAT SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER. MILLENNIALS DON'T WANT TO PURCHASE HOMES. I'M SORRY, I'M A MILLENNIAL AND I JUST PURCHASED A HOME. I REALLY WANTED TO, BUT HOW COULD I AT THAT COST? HOW COULD I PURCHASE A HOME IN MARTIN COUNTY? THERE ISN'T AN OPTION. THERE NEEDS TO BE MULTIPLE TYPES OF OPTIONS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NOT JUST APARTMENTS RIGHT? BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE IN AN APARTMENT. WHERE ARE THE OPTIONS ? THERE AREN'T RIGHT NOW AND WE THERE'S SO MANY GREAT PEOPLE WHO CAME UP HERE TO SPEAK TODAY AND I REALLY HOPE TRULY HOPE THAT YOU WILL TAKE AND CONSIDER ALL OF WHAT WE'VE SAID TODAY OF JUST WHAT THE COMMUNITY ACTUALLY WANTS IN THE PEOPLE WHO DO WANT TO LIVE HERE. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOCAL HERE WHO GREW HERE GREW UP HERE. I WENT TO JENSEN BEACH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, STEWART MIDDLE SCHOOL. JENSEN BEACH HIGH SCHOOL. AND I CAN'T AFFORD TO WITH MARTIN COUNTY, SO I PUT A I ASKED YOU GUYS TO PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. AND HOW CAN WE LIVE HERE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LUCY, LINDA K. RICHARDS. WELCOME, LINDA. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. LINDA K. RICHARDS 166 SOUTHWEST COMMANDER. POINT CIRCLE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS MEETING. AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'VE BEEN SCREAMING ABOUT THE DENSITY AND STUFF FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW. I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY I'M ALSO A LOCAL HERE BORN AND RAISED HERE. I'M FORTUNATE ENOUGH THAT I DO OWN A HOME IN MARTIN COUNTY. THE ONE THING I HAVE HEARD TONIGHT. IS THAT WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT IS WHAT EVERYBODY IS SCREAMING ABOUT. I ALSO KNOW THAT YOU AS A COMMISSION CANNOT DEMAND AFFORDABLE HOUSING FROM DEVELOPERS. WE KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT YOU CAN ASK IT. THEY CAN. OH, YEAH, WE'LL GIVE THEM TO YOU. WE'LL GIVE YOU THAT 1100. BUT SOMEBODY PAYS THE DIFFERENCE. AND WE KNOW THAT THAT MONEY COMES FROM SOMEWHERE IT COMES OUT OF YOUR BUDGET. IT COMES OUT OF SOME SORT OF GOVERNMENT GRANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS TO BE BUILT AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DEVELOPER.

THE DEVELOPER HAS TO GET ALL THE BREAKING BALLS TO THE GOVERNMENT. WE KNOW THIS BUT WE DON'T SEE REAL ACTION OF YOU GUYS GETTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING HIGH DENSITY DOES NOT EQUAL AFFORDABLE. THOSE NEW APARTMENTS ARE GOING UP IN BRIDGEVIEW. THEY'RE GONNA BE $1800 FOR ONE

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AND I ALMOST GOT HIT TWICE ON SUNDAY MORNING. THERE'S SO MUCH THAT THIS CITY COULD BE AND I REALLY KNOW THAT WE ALL WANTED TO BE THERE, BUT THE WAY THAT IT HAS BEEN DONE NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT DENSITY DOES NOT. IF EQUAL AFFORDABILITY YOU HEAR EVERYBODY. PEOPLE WANT AFFORDABILITY. WE WANT OUR KIDS TO STAY HERE. SO THAT SHOULD BE REALLY WHAT COMES OUT OF THIS.

YOU GUYS SHOULD STOP AND SAY WE NEED TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING INTO OUR CITY. THANK YOU. JIMMY WILSON. WELCOME JIMMY, IF YOU WOULD SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. HI EVERYONE DOING TODAY? MY NAME IS JIMMY WILSON. I LIVE IN STUART 801, TAR POND AND ONE THING I'VE NOTICED. I'VE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE. 52 YEARS OLD. AND. AS EVERYBODY IN HERE. I SEE. I'M PRETTY SURE MOST EVERYBODY IN HERE ARE HOMEOWNERS OR BUSINESS OWNERS. SO WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND. I'M NOT A HOMEOWNER. I'M NOT A BUSINESS OWNER. I WORK IN MY COMMUNITY. I WORK AT A JOB . I DO THE BEST I CAN TO SURVIVE MY FAULT FOR MY KIDS AS A FATHER. AND THE ONE THING THAT I DO I GIVE BACK TO MY COMMUNITY. BECAUSE OF MY COMMUNITY WAS THERE FOR ME WHEN I WAS DOWN AND OUT AND SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THIS ON THE STAFF UP HERE KNOWS HOW I GIVE BACK TO MY COMMUNITY. SOME OF YOU MIGHT DON'T GIVE 25 YEARS. COACHING, FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL AND ANYTHING WITH THE YOUTH. AND ONE THING ABOUT IT. I HAVE SIX COACHES THAT IS ON MY STAFF. AND ALL SIX OF THEM MAKE UNDER 40,000 YEAR. WHICH MEANS IF WE DON'T GET AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN EAST STEWART, ALL SIX OF THOSE CULTURES GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND THAT COMMUNITY NEEDS THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND. YOU SIT UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT PROPERTY PROFIT, BUT YOU GOTTA REALIZE IT'S PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO DON'T HAVE ALL THAT IS MAKING A REAL BIG DIFFERENCE IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET RID OF THOSE PEOPLE. TO THE POINT WHERE I KNOW A LOT OF YOU GUYS ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS. AND HELP ME OUT A LOT, ESPECIALLY THE CITY OF STEWART HELPED ME OUT A LOT DOING THE THINGS I DO WITH YOU.

BUT ONE THING I KNOW ABOUT YOU BEING A BUSINESSMAN, YOU COULDN'T GIVE MUCH PERSONAL TIME. LIKE I COULD. BUT LIKE I SAID, IF THERE'S NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND NO AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS IN EAST STEWART I'M GONNA DISAPPEAR ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE, AND THE ONE THING I DO NOTICE HAVE NOTICED IS THAT DOWNTOWN STUART AND E. STEWART WAS TIMBER. WE'D LAND FEW YEARS BACK. THE MONEY WAS INVESTED IN DOWNTOWN STUART. POPULATION GREW TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOO MANY PEOPLE. AND VOTING CHANGE. BECAUSE NOW MOST OF THE VOTES COME FROM DOWNTOWN STUART. YOU TOOK ABOUT 5 500 RESIDENTS OUT OF STUART STUART WHEN THOSE BUILDINGS GOT KNOCKED DOWN, WHICH MEANS IT. WE WOULDN'T BE UP HERE ASKING WHAT WE WANT. WE WILL HAVE SOMEBODY UP THERE. GETTING IT DONE. A LOT OF VOTERS FROM STUART EAST STEWART AREA ARE NO LONGER THERE TO THE POINT WHERE SOME ELECTED OFFICIALS DON'T EVEN GO TO STEWART BECAUSE

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YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GOT HOT. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GOT ELECTED BECAUSE IT WAS ENOUGH IN EAST STEWART TO THE POINT WHERE IF YOU DIDN'T GO IN THE STORE, YOU WASN'T GONNA GET ELECTED. THANK YOU, JIMMY. I HOPE THE HORNETS TOO GOOD THIS YEAR. KNICKS GROWTH. HOW YOU DOING? COMMISSIONERS? UM THANK YOU. GOD FOR HEARING ME OUT THIS EVENING. MY NAME IS NICK SCHROEDER LIVE AT 6 23 NORTH WEST PALM STREET WITH MY WIFE AND OUR TWO KIDS UNDER TWO YEARS OLD BETWEEN MY WIFE AND I, WE AND OUR PARTNERS WITHIN SIX BUSINESSES IN TOWN OR SIX BUSINESSES. WHICH EMPLOY OVER 100 PEOPLE. FIVE OF THE SIX BUSINESSES ARE LOCATED HERE IN DOWNTOWN STUART. BROKERAGE FIRM IN A I SOUTH COAST, MANAGES SEVERAL PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CITY AND ALONG, UM UM, ALONGSIDE FRANK WALKER DEVELOPED THE AVENUE GPU D 49 ACRE PROJECT FEATURING 20 ACRES OF PRESERVED TOWN HOMES, APARTMENTS AND SOON TO COME RETAIL AND OFFICE SPACE. THE PEOPLE THAT WE EMPLOY RANGE FROM PEOPLE ENTRY LEVEL POSITIONS OF 10 TO $15 AN HOUR TO OWNERS THAT MAKE SEVERAL $100,000 A YEAR. UM SO TONIGHT. I'M NOT JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. I'M SPEAKING FOR THOSE PEOPLE AND SPEAKING FOR PEOPLE LIKE JEFF ALMOND, THE SIXTH GENERATION MARTIN COUNTY NATIVE WHO, AFTER COLLEGE THOUGHT HE NEEDED TO WORK IN A BIG CITY TO EARN A DECENT LIVING. WE'RE WORKING IN TAMPA FOR RJ. HIS MOTHER BECAME ILL AND PASSED. HE CAME HOME TO BE WITH HIS FAMILY.

HE STARTED WITH MY APPRAISAL FIRM AS A RESEARCHER. HE'S NOT ONE OF OUR TOP PRODUCING BROKERS. WE NEED MORE SUCCESS. STORIES LIKE THAT. AND YOU ALL ARE HERE LATER FOR GROUNDED GROUNDWORK FOR THAT. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ENSURE BECAUSE MY JOB IS TO ENSURE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE PEOPLE. UM THESE PEOPLE RELY ON YOU AS WELL FOR THESE KIND OF OPPORTUNITIES. SO I ASKED TONIGHT WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE ZONING CHANGES THAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE CITY OF STUART'S PLACE IN THE TREASURE COAST, NOT JUST THE VACUUM THAT IS THE CITY. THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT NEEDING TO PROVIDE MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, BUT IS THAT REALISTIC? IS THE CITY. THE PLACE FOR THAT IN THE TREASURE COAST LANDSCAPE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT'S NOT THERE'S NO LAND FOR IT, AND THERE'S NOT GONNA BE THERE'S SOME INFILL SINGLE FAMILY AND THERE'S A GREAT BASE OF EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. PROTECTED. IT CAN'T BE REPLICATED. AS FOR THE HALF UNIT DENSITY, THEIR SOUND LOGIC TO THE IDEA THAT DENSITY ON A RESIDENTIAL SCALE NOT BE TIED JUST TWO UNITS, BUT RATHER TO UNITS AND SIZE. WHAT'S MISSING IN THE CODE IS ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES AND CRITERIA TO ENSURE ENSURE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT OCCURS BEST IS THE BEST IT CAN BE, AND PROVIDES A HIGH END PRODUCT TO MATCH THE ECONOMIC BASE OF THE CITY AND PRESERVE THE DESIRABILITY AND OPPORTUNITIES TO CITY REPRESENTS. AGAIN WHAT IS THE CITY'S PLACE IN THE TREASURE COAST? BY THE CURRENT ESTIMATE OF 2600 APPROVED UNITS. WE'VE ADDED 160 UNITS PER YEAR SINCE 2006 OF THE 2600 ONLY 1000 UNITS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN CONSTRUCTED, WHICH IS ONLY 65 UNITS PER YEAR. IS THAT IN LINE WITH THE POPULATION GROWTH OF THE AREA.

YOU CANNOT STICK YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND. PRETEND LIKE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO MOVE HERE. YOU CANNOT BUILD A MOAT AROUND THE CITY. YOU CANNOT INSTITUTE A ONE CHILD POLICY. YOU CANNOT PRETEND PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE CHILDREN PEOPLE OR PRETEND THAT PEOPLE LIKE JEFF ALLMAN DO NOT DESERVE TO EARN A LIVING AND BE CLOSE TO FAMILY. DO YOU NOT MAKE THIS DECISION BASED ON WHO SCREAMS THE LOUDEST YOU NEED TO LOOK OUT 10 TO 25 YEARS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO DO TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWTH THAT IS INEVITABLE. THE CONVERSATION ISN'T ABOUT DENSITY . IT'S ABOUT SUPPLY AND DEMAND. THANK YOU. DICK HELPED EMAIL YOU THE REST OF IT, UM ANNETTE MCSWAIN. SHE WENT ALREADY. THERE SHE IS. GOOD EVENING. AND IF YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS ANNETTE NICK SWING AND I LIVE ON MARTIN LUTHER KING JR BOULEVARD. ONE. OH, NINE IN AN APARTMENT. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A HOME. I'M 63 YEARS OLD AND I DON'T HAVE A HOME YET. I'VE TRIED, BUT NOW I'M LIVING IN GOVERNMENT HOUSING. STUCK BECAUSE EVERYTHING I MAKE ANYTIME I MAKE MORE, THEY WANT MORE. SO HOW CAN I SAY TO GET ANYPLACE BECAUSE I'M STUCK IN STUART HOUSING? THAT'S NOT EVEN REALLY WORTH IT. THE FLOORS NEED TO BE CHANGED. YOU MIGHT GIVE FLOYD STILL DOESN'T LOOK CLEAN. THERE'S SO MUCH IN THOSE AND THEY'RE INFESTED. MY PLACE ISN'T BECAUSE I WENT OUT. I WENT OUT OF MY BUDGET, AND I'M PAYING FOR MY OWN PRIVATE, DISTURBING IN A THEM. SO WE NEED AFFORDABLE. I MEAN, WE REALLY NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS AREA. EVERYBODY STUCK INSIDE HOUSING AUTHORITY. HOUSING NOT A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN COME UP. IT'S A PLACE WHERE YOU STAY STUCK. SO WE NEED WE NEED REALLY NEAT. HOUSING WE DON'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS. HERE YOU GO TO FORT PIERCE. YOU CAN SEE. PEOPLE LIKE MY PEOPLE WITH BUSINESS. YOU DON'T SEE THAT HERE. EVERYTHING WE GET IT EITHER. GET TAKEN

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IN OUR LAST SPEAKER THAT WE HAVE IS AMBER STRAND. WELCOME AMBER. AND IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AMBER STRAND. UM MR MARTEL WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION YOU GAVE EARLIER. I THINK THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL. UM SO I JUST WANTED TO CONDENSE INTO THREE MINUTES. WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ME. I'VE LIVED IN MARTIN COUNTY FOR 15 YEARS. UM, NOT A HOMEOWNER WOULD LOVE TO BE SOMEDAY THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS IT'S OBVIOUSLY A TOPIC FOR MOST OF US. UM EARLIER IN MY CAREER, I WORKED FOR A PUBLIC HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BOARD. PUBLIC SPEAKING NERVES ARE HERE. IT'S OKAY. I KNEW FROM THAT PART OF MY CAREER THAT IDEALLY YOUR YOUR HOUSING COST IS 30% OR LESS OF YOUR INCOME.

AND THE LAST HOUSE I MOVED INTO , AND STEWART I WAS AT THAT TIME PAYING 60% OF MY INCOME TO KEEP MY CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT THEY NEEDED TO BE IN. AND I DID THAT AND ALSO WORKED TO INCREASE MY INCOME, BUT I HAD TO PAY WHAT I HAD TO PAY TO KEEP MY FAMILY WHERE THEY NEEDED TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. AND SO I DID THAT. UM, I HEARD IT MENTIONED ABOUT A HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT WOULD REALLY LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT HOW IT'S DONE. NO ONE'S EVER ASKED ME WHAT I NEED TO START IN MY HOUSING, SO IT REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE CITIZENS BE EVALUATED. FOR WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE AND FOR THAT TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN DEVELOPMENTS COME IN. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WHEN WE ARE CONSIDERING DEVELOPMENTS. UM PERSONALLY, I DON'T WANT TO SEE MORE TREES COME DOWN QUICK. PLEASE PROTECT OUR TREES AND THE PEOPLE AND THE WATER ALL PART OF IT. AND I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF IN FEELING I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE AN UGLY, ABANDONED OR UNDER USED BUSINESS COMMERCIAL SPACE, BE REPURPOSED FOR A RESIDENTIAL SPACE, THEN SEE THE TREES COME DOWN. SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU CONSIDER FOR US. THANKS FOR BEARING WITH ME. THANK YOU, AMBER. THANK YOU, PAUL. DO WE HAVE A COMMENT ONLINE? OKAY, IF YOU ASK MY SODA. MARCELA YOUR TURN TO SPEAK. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. AND IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, THANK YOU, MARCELLA CAMPBELL. OR FOR THE RECORD, UM I LIVE IN 12 BRIDGE, THE ROAD SOUTH AND SLOWS POINT MY OFFICES IN 47 WEST AUSTRALIA STREET IN DOWNTOWN STUART. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF STEWART AND MARTIN COUNTY IN AND OUT FOR 26 YEARS IN THE LOCAL PLANNER. AND I'M HAPPY. REALLY HAPPY TO SEE TODAY. UM YOU KNOW A LOT OF STEWART RESIDENTS. I CAN SEE YOU ALL FIRMS IN. YOU CAN'T SEE ME.

UM A LOT OF YOU KNOW WHAT TRUE STEWART IS ABOUT, AS OPPOSED TO PROFESSIONAL MEETING GOERS, AND I DON'T MEAN THIS DISRESPECTFULLY. I AM A PROFESSIONAL MEETING. GO ER AND IT'S USUALLY THE SAME FACES. WE SEE HARD BEING THE SAME ISSUES OVER AND OVER AGAIN. UM SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE. THIS IS THE TRUE STEWART. I YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UM YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD ABOUT COMMUNITY CHARACTER ENVISIONING, UM AND HAVING TO COME UP WITH A CHART FOR OUR FUTURE AND I AGREE WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS, I THINK, UNFORTUNATELY, IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF TRULY UGLY BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS THE PROBLEM OF A PARTICULAR BOARD. THAT IS, AS I THINK NICK SCHROTH SET. THAT'S THE PROBLEM BECAUSE OUR CODES ARE NOT GEARED TOWARDS DESIGN. I QUOTE CODES ARE GEARED TOWARDS TAKING CARE OF A LOT OF DETAILS , BUT NEVER REALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO DESIGN AND DESIGN MATTERS. JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING SEEMS VERY PRECISE. IT DOESN'T GUARANTEE THAT IT'S GOOD. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE APPROVED BUILDINGS WITH LOW DENSITY THAT ARE UGLY AND BUILDINGS WITH HIGH DENSITY THAT ARE UGLY. WE HAVE APPROVED BUILDINGS THAT ARE ONE STORY THAT ARE UGLY AND BUILDING THAT POOR STORIES THAT ARE UGLY. AND UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN PEOPLE SEE IT, THE FIRST REACTION IS, IF WE COULD DENSITY, IT WOULD HAVE LOOKED BETTER. IF YOU CUT A STORY. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GRADE.

THE PROBLEM IS DESIGN MATTERS, AND I WOULD URGE THAT OUR CODES REALLY FOCUS ON DESIGN A LOT MORE ON THE HALF DENSITY UNIT. I'M SORRY. WE HAVE THIS LITTLE BIT OF TIME I WOULD HAVE WISHED TO BE THERE AND HOPEFULLY THERE'S MORE MEETINGS. UM AND BAFFLED BY THE FACT THAT A POLICY THAT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN TWO BUILDINGS, ONE OF WHICH HASN'T BEEN BUILT. APPEARS TO BE A CITYWIDE, YOU KNOW, END OF THE WORLD POLICY. THERE'S ONLY ONE BUILDING AND IT'S NOT EVEN

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SAINT LUCY AND I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO A LOT OF MY. COMMUNITY AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THEY'VE BEEN SPEAKING ON LOW INCOME HOUSING. AND I AGREE THAT LOW INCOME HOUSING IS NEEDED VERY MUCH UNDERSTOOD AREA . IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT JUST GOT TO BE A NEED HAS BEEN A NEED FOR A LONG TIME. I ENDED UP LIVING IN PORT ST LUCIE SOME 15 YEARS AGO BECAUSE I COULD NOT FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN STEWART. SO I ENDED UP HAVING HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE OF THE CITY INTO A DIFFERENT COUNTY TO FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSE. UM JUST RECENTLY I HAD TO MOVE AGAIN AND I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE MOVED BACK INTO MY CITY. BUT AGAIN, THERE IS NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE, SO I'M STILL OUTSIDE OF THE CITY THAT I LOVE. YES STEWART IS MY HOME FOREIGN AND PHRASE AND I TAKE IT TO HEART. I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT I HEARD YOUR APOLOGY. UM, FROM A COMMISSIONER TODAY. AND. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT WAS WHOLEHEARTEDLY. I THINK THAT THAT APOLOGY WAS MADE. JUST SORT OF EASE SOME OF THE HEAT. UM BUT THE GRACE AND MERCY BUT I DON'T FEEL. LIKE THAT. THAT PICTURE BECAUSE AS A COMMISSIONER, YOU'VE GOT TO BE SOFT. YOU ALWAYS GOT TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING AS A CITIZEN AS A PERSON, PERIOD. YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF WHAT YOU SAID. DO AND HOW IT COULD AFFECT OTHER PEOPLE. AND I'M APPLAUDING EFFECT THAT THIS COMMISSIONER SAID THAT HE WOULD NOT TAKE THE PICTURE DOWN BECAUSE HE DIDN'T INTEND TO HURT ANYBODY. EVEN THOSE FEELINGS WERE HURT. BUT HE WANTED GRACE AND MERCY. WELL AS A COMMUNITY, SO DO WE. WE WANT GRACE AND MERCY. OKAY AND. I'M JUST NOT. I'M NOT WILLING TO GIVE IT RIGHT NOW. AND I AM A CHRISTIAN. I LOVE IT. I AM A CHRISTIAN. BUT RIGHT NOW. I'M JUST NOT FEELING THIS COMMISSIONER. YEARS AGO, WE HAD A COMMISSION THAT IT MADE A STATEMENT ABOUT A PIG'S FEET, SOMETHING THAT WE EAT AS A CULTURE AND A COP HAPPENED TO BE THERE AND SHE WAS TAKEN THROUGH THE MEAL. SHE WAS TAKEN FOR ETHICAL INVESTIGATIONS. YOU ALL PUT THROUGH THE MILL AS A BOARD . MAYBE NOT YOU OFF, SHE WENT THROUGH THE MILL. I SEE NO DIFFERENCE IN WHAT HAPPENED WITH HER AS TO WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN WITH THIS COMMISSIONER. I'M NOT SAD, SAID THAT HE SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED FOR US BECAUSE ITS ETHICS PLAY APART WITH ME RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S ETHICS ARE. DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S MORE IS ON. BECAUSE OF THAT PICTURE WITH THE MONKEY EVERY TIME I SEE HIM, I'M GONNA SEE ZIP IT IN MONKEY. SMOKING A CIGARETTE WITH HIS LEGS CROSSED . THANK YOU HAD A FATHER IN THE THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE GREEN CARDS. SO WE'LL GO ON TO

[4. DISCUSS THE TOPICS FROM THE PRESENTATIONS AND DELIBERATE THE POLICIES THAT THE COMMISSION WANT TO SEE IMPLEMENTED. ]

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HOUSING AND TO CREATE SOME TYPE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHETHER TO CREATE A FUNDING SOURCE OR A BANKING SYSTEM ALONE SYSTEM AWAY FOR OUR CITY AND OUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT, NOT JUST THE STATE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT, BUT COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT, AND I THINK WE HAD SOMEBODY FROM THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD HERE . WE'VE HAD PEOPLE FROM THE BANKING INDUSTRY REPORT. THAT HAVE COME TO US AND WE THERE'S GUIDELINES UNDER THE IRS CODES AND OTHER CODES THAT TALKS ABOUT COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT, AND SO IT IS A VERY LONG ROAD. IT'S NOT A SIX MONTH THING, BUT I THINK JUST GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY AGAIN TO MAYBE REASSESS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC TODAY. OF COURSE, GET WHAT EACH OF US ARE TALKING ABOUT. I DEFINITELY WANT TO INCLUDE AND KEEP AN UPDATE AND UPGRADE ANYTHING TO DO WITH A WAY TO KEEP UNITS THAT CAN BE PUT OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO USE . AND THAT WOULD BE WHATEVER YOU CALL THE HALF UNIT OR WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, OR WHATEVER THAT CHANGES BUT A WAY TO HAVE SMALL UNITS SO THAT WHEN A DEVELOPER DOES SOMETHING WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE CAN RENT AND HAVE A REASONABLE PLACE TO LIVE. AND MAYBE IT CAN BE FOR AN AFFORDABLE PRICE. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ACTUALLY PUT SOME TEETH IN OUR HOUSING POLICIES. GO BACK TO OUR COMPLAINT AND SAY THESE ARE SOME THINGS AND NOT INTERFERE WITH THE BURDEN HARRIS ACT, NOT INTERFERE WITH PEOPLE'S BUSINESS RIGHTS AND SO ON. BUT REALLY, I THINK I DON'T KNOW IF ROBYN CARTWRIGHT OR SOMEBODY SAID IT. PUT AWAY TO DO FORWARD. MAYBE IT WAS JACKIE TO PUT AWAY TO SAY WHAT WE CAN DO. VERSUS WHAT WE CAN'T DO. SO I THINK THAT IF WE JUST DO A LITTLE BIT MORE LISTING THIS IS MY SPECIFIC COMMENT TODAY. KEEP WORKING ON MAINTAINING OR UPGRADING THAT HALF UNIT OR DEALING WITH THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE WITH IT AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THIS TIME THIS COMMISSION AT THIS POINT IN TIME, LISTENS AND TRY TO WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY.

THAT'S MY COMMENT FOR RIGHT NOW AS TO VERY, VERY SPECIFIC THINGS. FOR THE PAST WEEK AND A HALF HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH A VERY, VERY PERSONAL ISSUE. AND SO I HAVE NOT GONE BACK THROUGH THE CODE. BUT TRUST ME IN THE PAST AND NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. I HAVE ACCESS TO VERY SPECIFIC AREAS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WE CAN WORK WITH, AS WE GET INTO SPECIFIC MEETINGS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT MY COMMENTS IN THAT MOMENT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. UM MR RICH.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO NEXT? ONE END TO THE OTHER, HMM. BALANCED APPROACH. WELL, I HAVE TO

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IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE IT COMES FROM. OKAY? IT COMES FROM. THREE POINT A TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THE CITY WILL ADDRESS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDS OF EXTREMELY LOW INCOME, VERY LOW INCOME TO MODERATE INCOME RESIDENTS BY CONTINUING TO PROMOTE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND CITY NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGH REVISED MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS AND SPECIAL FINANCING MADE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE SHIP PROGRAM F H A AND OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS. IT MAKES SPECIFIC REFERENCE. OH, AND THEN IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING POLICIES SUPPORT THIS OBJECTIVE. AND THE POLICY CITED HERE IS 3.82 POINT SIX HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES IN ORDER TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF TYPES OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR AFFORDABLE OR ATTAINABLE HOUSING. AND THESE ARE NOT VAGUE TERMS. THESE ARE SPECIFIC TERMS . THEY HAVE SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS AND SPECIFIC MONETARY LEVELS ASSIGNED TO THEM. WHICH ARE DESCRIBED ABOVE THE CITY WILL ENCOURAGE NEW CONSTRUCTION TO DENSITY BONUSES AND OTHER PROVISIONS PROVIDED THROUGH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AS WELL AS YOU GRANTS AND SPECIAL PROGRAMS ADMINISTERED BY THE CITY. SO THAT THIS SECTION OF OUR COMPLAINT WAS USED TO COME UP WITH THESE FRACTIONAL DENSITIES. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THE FINAL ORDER TODAY FOR THE ELIZABETH AND NOWHERE IN THERE.

IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE THESE LEVELS OF HOUSING? AND THIS GOES TO MR MARTEL'S POINT. THAT'S THEY CAN PLANT. IT'S NOT IN THE CODE. AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

OKAY? JUST LET ME THERE'S A LOT OF BUT THE CODE SO IT'S A P U D. IT WAS A BEAUTY. THE CODES HAS A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ESTABLISHING, ACCORDING TO THE PROVISIONS OF THIS SECTION MAY DEPART FROM THE STRICT APPLICATION OF USE, SETBACK, PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF STANDARD ZONING DISTRICTS. PEUT SHALL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OVERALL PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE CITY. AS REFLECTED BY THIS CITY OF STEWART COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO I DON'T AGAIN. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED HERE. IS THAT THE ELIZABETH WAS ALLOWED TO BE BUILT WITH DENSITIES COMING OUT SPECIFICALLY COMING OUT OF THE HOUSING. AFFORDABLE HOUSING SECTION. AND YET. THERE'S NO SPECIFIC THERE'S NO SPECIFICITY . SPECIFICITY THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT. THAT HE CONFORMED TO THAT. SO THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO AS YOU GUYS CAN IMAGINE, I'M SURE IS GET RID OF THIS. THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE VERY SPECIFIC. IN THE CODE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO APPLY THESE FRACTIONAL DENSITIES, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. IN ORDER TO ATTAIN. YOU KNOW, MODERATE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHATEVER DECISIONS WE MAKE, AND LET'S NOT. I MEAN, LET'S NOT

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AND WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION A FEW WEEKS AGO, I WAS DERIDED AS A BLEEDING HEART AND THEN AS A SOCIALIST I WAS AN EVENT THE OTHER NIGHT I WALKED OUT. I MET THE FORMER CEO. OF THE CITY AND COUNTY IS LARGEST EMPLOYER, THEIR MEMORIAL HEALTH SYSTEM. AND HE GOES. SO THIS IS NOT A SOCIALIST. I'M ASSUMING. AND HE SAYS ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS. THE CITY IS FACING RIGHT NOW, HE SAYS. WE USED TO BE ABLE TO PUT OUR NURSES AND THE CITY WE USED TO BE ABLE TO PUT HIM. IN PORT ST LUCIE AND I FEEL FREE TO PARAPHRASE HIM BECAUSE HE SAID HE WOULD BE HAPPY TO COME HERE AND SPEAK TO US, HE SAYS, AND NOW WE CAN'T HIRE HIM. BECAUSE THEY GOT NOWHERE TO LIVE. SO. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CLARK FOR SAYING LET'S LISTEN TO THEM . LET'S YES LET'S LISTEN. THIS IS A DEAFENING ROAR AND I WAS VERY SURPRISED THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS. LET'S NOT GET RID OF THIS. LET'S JUST BE VERY SPECIFIC. AND USE IT TO WHAT IT'S MEANT TO ACCOMPLISH. HONEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER COLLINS.

SO. I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WE'RE DOING THIS. I'M HAPPY THAT WE'RE ALL ABLE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. AND BE INVOLVED IN HOW STEWART'S GOING TO GROW MOVING FORWARD. THERE'S A LOT.

POTENTIALLY TO THIS, SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE ALL SHARE SIMILAR TONE OF NO RUSH. LET'S DO THIS RIGHT. LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE TAKING TIME AND HEARING FROM EVERYBODY AND HAVING IDEAS COME UP AND NOT GET TOO QUICK TO TEAR ANYTHING APART, YOU KNOW AND GET REACTIVE. OF THE VARIOUS ISSUES AND CAMPAIGNING. UM ALONG WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT'S A CONVERSATION I'M GONNA HAVE TO IS. AND I DON'T HEAR A LOT OF I HAVEN'T HEARD. A LOT OF THIS TONIGHT IS TRAFFIC. SO I DON'T WANT I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO DEEP INTO ANY OF THESE THINGS. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TIME TO UNPACK, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CHARACTER. WHAT STEWART IS. OUR ABILITY TO NAVIGATE THIS PENINSULA SAFELY. UM HOW AFFORDABLE IS THAT THIS AREA FOR THE PEOPLE WHO GREW UP HERE? CAN THE PEOPLE WHO GREW UP HERE AFFORD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? CAN THEY OWN. ANYTHING. BECAUSE AS FAR AS I SEE IT THE ABILITY TO OWN. HEDGES YOU AND PROTECTS YOU AGAINST EVER INFLATING RENT PRICE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SAID TODAY. AND WE'RE SEEING IT NOW AND THERE ARE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. WHEN WE CAN BE SHORTSIGHTED WITH WHAT WE ALLOW DEVELOPERS TO COME IN WITS LIKE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. AND PART OF THAT IS TRAFFIC. PART OF THAT IS AFFORDABILITY. SO IN TERMS OF SPECIFICALLY, UH. WHAT DO I WANT TO SEE TAKING OUT HER ATTITUDE, COM PLAN AND LAND USE REGULATION. I'VE BEEN BOUNCING DIFFERENT IDEAS AROUND AND A BIG PART OF THIS TOO, IS WHO SITS UP HERE, RIGHT? WHO SITS UP HERE? AND WHAT WE COMMUNICATE TO DEVELOPERS IS A BIG PART OF THIS SO I'M NOT GENERALLY A BIG FAN OF OVERLY RESTRICTIVE REGULATION. BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO PROTECT SO THAT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAPPEN GOING FORWARD, AND THAT WAS A TOWN THAT I FELT. REPEATEDLY WHEN I WAS KNOCKING ON DOORS WERE NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING. SO PART OF THAT CONVERSATION IS LIKE WHAT? WHAT IS IT ABOUT? WHAT IS BEING DEVELOPED THAT WERE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THAT'S WHY I GO TO TRAFFIC AND AFFORDABILITY. SO HOW DO HOW DID THE HALF UNIT CONVERSATION TO ME TO ME IS PRETTY SIMPLE. I DON'T SEE THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT MUCH. EVEN THOUGH I SAID LET'S NOT GET BEING TOO MUCH OF A RUSH. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT REMOVED FROM THE COMPLEX AND THE L D. I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE'S MUCH SUPPORT. FOR DOUBLING THE NUMBER OF UNITS BEYOND EVEN OUR CONDITIONAL USE. ZONING. WITHOUT ANY OF THE PARKING TO MATCH.

CONSIDERING THAT PEOPLE DON'T JUST. WALKING RIDE BIKES, DOWNTOWN PEOPLE DRIVE AND PEOPLE HAVE CARS. IF WE WERE IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION WITH OUR DOWNTOWN AND HOW IT IS UTILIZED

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THE LIABILITY OF TAKING RIGHT WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE FROM AND UNDER THE ABILITY TO DEVELOP ON THEIR PROPERTY, WHAT THEY HAVE BY RIGHT SO I THINK THE LOWEST HANGING FRUIT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWN ZONING IS WHAT WE DO WITHIN CONDITIONAL USE. THE IDEA THAT WE GO UP TO 30 UNITS PER ACRE. IS A DWAN E ERA. CHANGE THAT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HAPPENED. UM TO OUR COMPLAINT AND LAND USED TO TRY TO CREATE MORE DENSITY. IN THE URBAN CORE THAT IS NOW SORT OF BEING DEPLOYED AT OUR FRINGES. UM WHICH IS WHY IT LOOKS SO AWKWARD. BUT DISCUSSING THAT, POTENTIALLY WITH DIFFERENT OVERLAYS WITHIN OUR 4000 ACRES OF WHERE THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE AND AT WHAT DENSITY POTENTIALLY TIERED, I THINK IS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION, NOT JUST TO JUST SAY CITY WIDE. YOU CAN'T GO TO 30 UNITS. YOU CAN. YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A MORE STRATEGIC CONVERSATION. ABOUT WHAT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO BE BUILT WHERE INSIDE OF THE CONTEXT OF A LONG TERM VISION OF WHAT WE WANT THE CITY TO LOOK LIKE. LONG TERM OVER 20 YEARS.

30 YEARS 40 YEARS. FACTORING IN WHAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT . THE AFFORDABILITY THE ECONOMIC IMPACT, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE AN ENCLAVE WHERE NOBODY CAN COME HERE. OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE HERE. BUT HOW DO WE PROTECT FOR OUR KIDS. WHAT THIS PLACE IS WITHOUT LOSING IT TO IT, BECOMING ANOTHER WEST PALM BEACH OR JUST ANYWHERE ELSE THAT YOU CAN MOVE TO. SO NOT TO BE TOO LONG WINDED. I KNOW WE'RE GONNA TALK MORE BUT POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT A CONDITIONAL USE POTENTIALLY DOWN ZONING THAT SLIGHTLY IT'S KIND OF WHERE MY HEAD SPACES AT AND LOOKING AT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WHO HAVE DONE THIS TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. TO PREVENT, UM. THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T DRIVE SAFELY. AND. I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME. OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER COLLINS. MR BRUNER. WELL, I DON'T I THINK THAT WE NEED ALL THE CHANGES, BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU. WE CAN DO A LOT. UM THIS IS OUR LITTLE TOWN ARE OUR CITY. IT IS. IT'S LIKE YOU HEAR LIKE WE'RE FALLING APART. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL TOWN, AND, UH ALSO, I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GONNA JUST THROW UP ALL THESE.

WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED WITH EAST STEWART AND WANT TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THEM. AH, WE'RE JUST GOING TO THROW IT OUT THE DOOR AND OUR CITY C R A UM THERE'S JUST SO MUCH AND MARCELA MADE A POINT.

BECAUSE. A COUPLE OF THOSE BOXES. I CALL THEM THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS BUILT IN NORTH STEWART.

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AND WE CAN STOP FOR THREE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS OR NINE MONTHS. WHATEVER IT TAKES. UM, THE PEOPLE THAT CAME BEFORE US. I HAVE WORKED VERY HARD FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN ACCOMPLISHED IN THIS CITY. PEOPLE WANT TO COME HERE. THEY WANT TO LIVE HERE. NOT EVERYBODY CAN WE'VE GOT WHAT MIKE? 203 ACRES. IT'S WE'RE WORKING ON THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT THAT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE VACANT LAND NOW. AND HOW MANY VACANT LOTS ARE THERE? UM NOT VERY MANY IN THE CITY OF STEWART WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING A HOUSE, AND IF YOU DO FIND A LOT, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU AT LEAST 150 GRAND, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HIRE A LAWYER. AND UH, PAY ALL THOSE FEES. EVERYTHING YOU'VE GOT TO DO SO YOU END UP WITH THE $500,000 HOME. MAYBE AND THEN YOU GOT INSURANCE. YOU GOT TAXES. THESE APARTMENTS THAT WE NEED. GIVES IT GIVES A PERSON A START. THANKS START SAVING THEIR MONEY. THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ALL THAT STUFF THAT I HAVE. I HAVE THIS OLD HOUSE, WHICH CONSTANTLY FALLING APART AND, UH, WOULDN'T LIKE I THINK I SHOULD GET AN APARTMENT BUT ANYWAY UM, THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT PLANNERS IN THIS TOWN. AND THEY'RE LISTENING TO US SO WE CAN DO BETTER WITH THEM. WE CAN TELL THEM. THIS IS THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE. WE WANT CERTAIN ARCHITECTURE AND I'VE LEARNED THAT THERE'S UH I THINK I LEARNED YESTERDAY. THAT A PLANNER HAD SHOWED ME BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE FOUR STORIES. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE. BUT THE WAY SHE SHOWED ME AND HOW THAT ROOF CAME DOWN, AND THERE'S THAT FOURTH STORY, BUT YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL LOOKS LIKE THREE STORIES. BUT ANYWAY, I CAN GO RAMBLING ON AND ON. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I CARE. A LOT ABOUT IS R C R A AND LOOK WHAT AND ANOTHER THING WHAT PEOPLE DO. STEWART. THEY THINK STEWART IS ALL OF MARTIN COUNTY. YOU KNOW, YOU COME IN HERE AND SAY, WELL, WE WANT YOU TO BUILD ALL THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING LIKE THEY DO IN JACKSONVILLE. WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE COUNTY? YOU KNOW, WE'RE A LITTLE CITY WERE SIX SQUARE MILES. HOW MANY SQUARE MILES THIS MORNING COUNTY. WHERE CAN YOU GO AND COME IN HERE AND TALK TO US, AND WE CAN TALK TO YOU AND IT WORKS OUT. CAN'T GO THERE TO THE COUNTY. I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT, SO IT'S A GOOD THING THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WE WANT TO WORK TOGETHER. SO THAT'S IT, AND, UH I LOOK FORWARD TO SIX MONTHS AND HERE WE GO FROM THERE. OKAY WELL, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. BRUDER OKAY, SO ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT MARRIAGE, YOU GET TO GO LAST. NOT SURE IF THAT'S GOOD OR BAD. UM, SO JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT.

YES, PLEASE. YOUR POINT IS STEWART IS REALLY THE JEWEL IN THE CROWN OF MARTIN COUNTY.

YOU'RE RIGHT PEOPLE THINK OF MARTIN COMEDY. AND IT'S STUART AND SO WE DO HAVE TO WORK HARD TO PRESERVED THAT CHARACTER IT IS I CAN TELL. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I'VE RECEIVED EMAILS ON AN ISSUE WHERE THE PERSON SAID I'M A RESIDENT OF STEWART, AND THEN THEY HAD THEY HAD THEIR ADDRESS UNDER EMAIL, AND IT WAS PALMS. EDDIE HOPES SOUND. JENSEN BEACH, UH, EVEN PORT SAINT LUCIE. SO UM, IS EVERYONE'S TOWN. IT IS. IT'S STUART STUART IS THE ECONOMIC HEART. MADE OF THE OF THE COUNTY AND QUITE HONESTLY, A PORTION OF PORTSIDE LUCY, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR MANY YEARS WE WERE OF THE DOWNTOWN OF PORT ST LUCIE. IT'S PROBABLY CHANGING A LITTLE BIT NOW AND I'M SURE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU SEE IS GOING TO HEAR THIS AND BE AGITATED ABOUT THAT ONE OF THE HERE THAT, BUT SO BEFORE I GET INTO THE EXACT, UM COUPLE OF THINGS. I WANT TO ADDRESS DIRECTLY ONE OF THE THINGS I TOOK SOME TIME AND I WITH THE HELP OF MR MARTEL. DID A FAIRLY DEEP DIVE INTO SOME FLORIDA STATUTES AND BECAUSE I WANTED TO FIND OUT WHAT STATE LAW WAS I ALSO, UH, TO LOOK INTO OUR COM PLAN AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IN MR MARTEL STARTED WORKING ON IT WITH AN INVENTORY THAT HE PROVIDED ON THE SCREEN EARLIER BUT IN OUR CUP PLAN. IF

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THERE'S AN ISSUE ABOUT THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA USED TO INDICATE URBAN SPRAWL. THEY DO NOT WANT URBAN SPRAWL AND LOW INTENSITY. LOW DENSITY SINGLE USED SINGLE USE DEVELOPMENT. OR USES. THAT'S THE STATE DOES NOT WANT THOSE AND SO THAT AND THAT IS IN THE FOREST STATUTE. SO AS WE SIT THERE AND GO THROUGH THESE FLORIDA STATUTES, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AND THERE'S MANY THINGS ABOUT AFFORDABLE AND ATTAINABLE HOUSING, NOT ONLY IN THE STATUTE BUT IN OUR COMP PLAN. SO AH! TO THE ITEMS AND UH , KIND OF AS MUCH AS I CAN AND BE SPECIFIC. THE FRACTIONAL UNITS, YOU KNOW, I'VE NOT LIKE THE FRACTIONAL UNITS NOT BECAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE THE GOAL OF WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO. I DIDN'T LIKE, UM I DON'T. I DON'T LIKE AGAIN TO LIKE, UM, THE OH, I FELT IT WAS NOT BEING HONEST WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT THE CONTROLLING DOCUMENTS SAY A DENSITY, BUT THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF UNITS, SO IF YOU HAVE 29 UNITS, AN ACRE 15 UNITS AN ACRE, BUT YOU HAVE 30 UNITS. SO THAT WAS THE THAT WAS ONE OF MY MAIN STRUGGLES WITH THAT. THAT BEING SAID. I DO APPRECIATE THE OBJECTIVE TO SO GETTING DOWN TO THE HEART OF THE OF THE FRACTIONAL UNIT IS THAT I WOULD RATHER SEE. CRITERIA THAT ALLOWS FOR A DENSITY BONUS.

BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE UNIT, AND THE OTHER THING IS, THE UNITS ARE TOO BIG. UM I THINK THAT THEY GET IF WE JUST STUCK WITH THE HEAD FRACTIONAL, YOU KNOW THE HALF UNIT. UH 900. FT IS TOO SMALL. OH I WANNA TOO SMALL TOO BIG. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU WANNA I OWN A SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN 900 SQUARE FOOT CONDO IN NORTH CAROLINA, AND IT'S A TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH.

IT'S VERY COMFORTABLE. AND UH, I THINK THAT I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GONNA DO A EITHER A FRACTIONAL, UM FRACTIONAL DENSITY UNIT OR COME UP WITH A DENSITY BONUS BASED ON SIZE. THE SMALL UNIT SHOULD BE, UH, ONE BEDROOM. NO BIGGER THAN, SAY, 505 150 SQUARE FEET SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE AND A TWO BEDROOM NO BIGGER THAN 700 SQUARE FEET. UM I'VE YOU KNOW, I'VE LIVED IN TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS THAT WERE 650 SQUARE FEET. UM SO THEY'RE SMALL, BUT. THEY KEEP THE PRICE DOWN BECAUSE IT DOES TO ME. IT DOES TWO THINGS TO HELP TO OBTAIN THE GOAL OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSE.

WE'RE GONNA SHRINK THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING SHRINK THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, SHRINK THE SIZE AND, UM THEN AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE WE'RE SHRINKING THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING SHRINK. YOU KNOW, WE'RE SHRINKING. WE'RE ALLOWING MORE ROOM FOR PARKING. IF THAT'S NEEDED MORE ROOM FOR GREEN SPACE MORE ROOM FOR LANDSCAPING, MORE ROOM FOR OTHER AMENITIES THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING WHEN WE STUFF AS BIG OF A PROBLEM PROPERTY UNIT ON A PERSON OF A PROPERTY NOW I THINK THE I THINK THE ELIZABETH WAS A GOOD PROJECT. IT WAS. IT'S SOLVING SOME PROBLEMS THAT WERE WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND THAT'S WHY I VOTED FOR IT. AND UM. AND IT SOLVES A UNFORTUNATELY THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT PARCEL. UM THAT HAD BEEN THAT WAY FOR MANY , MANY YEARS, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT IT'S SOMETHING'S GONNA FINALLY HAPPENED WITH IT. NOW THE GOOD GETTING TO JUST OVERALL DENSITY. UM. YOU KNOW THE CITIES HAD IN ITS COM PLAN FOR MANY YEARS TO 30 UNITS AN ACRE. I THINK IT GOES BACK TO AT LEAST THE WANNI, IF NOT SOONER. UM IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING NEW. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT GOING BACK. TO MAYBE AS FAR AS THE EIGHTIES OR THEN CERTAINLY THE NINETIES. THE PURPOSE OF THE U P U D AND THE UM AND THE CONDITIONAL USE. FOR THE HIGHER DENSITIES WAS TO SHOW THAT THE CITY COULD IF RATHER THAN JUST

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WE NEED TO DO AN INVENTORY. THE STATE STATUTE SAYS THAT WE SHALL HAVE A BALANCE OF LAND USES. I'M NOT SURE THAT WE DO AFTER LOOKING AT THE INVENTORY. WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE ISSUES. WE NEED TO BE NOT ONLY AND WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT UNRELATED THIS WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY, AND I THINK THAT HERE SOON AND WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER BALANCE OF INDUSTRIAL. UM SO MY THING IS THAT WE LOOK AT H , IN A BETTER WAY THAT HAS A TIGHTER CRITERIA THAT ACCOMPLISHES THE GOALS OF THE FRACTIONAL UNITS, WHETHER IT'S DUE TO FORM OF A STRAIGHT AND THAT WOULD WOULD TAKE A PROBABLY TAKE ACCOUNT PLAN AMENDMENT BUT THROUGH UM THROUGH, UH SMALLER UNITS AND DENSITY BONUSES, AND WE CAN PUT IN VERY STRICT CRITERIA. TO FOR THEM TO GET THE DENSITY BONUS. UM SO IN THE CODE IN THE CODE? YES ABSOLUTELY.

BECAUSE THE CODE IS WHERE IT BELONGS. SO UM, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO, UH KEEP OUR DENSITIES AND ARE AN RPG AFFECT THE STATUTE ACTUALLY SAYS, LET ME FIND IT HERE. ACTUALLY SAYS THIS SECTION SHALL BE CONSTRUED SHELL BE CONSTRUED TO ENCOURAGE THE USE OF INNOVATIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, WHICH INCLUDE PROVISIONS SUCH AS TRANSFER DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, INCENTIVE OF OUR INCENTIVE AND INCLUSIONARY ZONING, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, IMPACT FEES AND PERFORMANCE ZONING AND I STARTED REACHING I STILL WORKING ON THE DEFINITION OF PERFORMANCE ZONING BECAUSE THERE THAT'S ACTUALLY A TERM I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE STATE STATUTE. LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, DOING ANALYSIS OF WHERE WE'RE AT. AND THEN COME BACK AND HAVE A DISCUSSION AS TO HOW WE CAN TIGHTEN UP OUR CODE TO MAKE IT BETTER TO MAKE IT STRONGER AND HELP ACHIEVE THE GOALS THAT WE CERTAINLY HEARD TONIGHT, WHICH IS A WIDER RANGE OF HOUSING THAT IS, HOPEFULLY A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE. AND THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAVE SOME AIR? YES, SIR. SO I'M SORRY. YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD? YOU CAN GO AHEAD. SO, UM, I WAS GONNA SUMMATION UP WHAT I'M HEARING, BUT, UM, THIS OBVIOUSLY ISN'T OVER. THIS IS THE FIRST DISCUSSION, BUT, UM, I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE COMPETITION HAS DONE IN THE PAST SO THAT PEOPLE THINK THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN IGNORING THE AFFORDABILITY FROM THE HOUSING ISSUE. YES, WE STARTED BACK IN LATE 2018 EARLY 2019. ON THE REQUEST OF DEVELOPERS FOR PUTTING IN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THEIR UNITS AS BEING AFFORDABLE. WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN THAT WITH TWO UNIT TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES WHEN THE STATE TURNED AND CHANGE AND

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I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS AND I THINK THAT REALLY EVALUATING THAT LAW ON THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE AND DETERMINING WHAT WE CAN CREATE OUT OF THAT, AND I KNOW IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN THERE THAT GOES TO HOW MUCH IS A UNIT WORTH? HOW MUCH DOES THE CITY YOU HAVE TO GIVE FOR BONUSES? WHAT IS A BONUS EQUAL TO THE VALUE OF THAT? AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN THERE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS TO MAKE THAT WORK. BUT THAT IS AN AVENUE THAT WE COULD EVALUATE AND LOOK AT. AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING FROM FROM YOU GUYS FOR OUR NEXT WORKSHOP IS TO BRING BACK AN INVENTORY AND THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE SHOCKED. THAT HELPED LITTLE WE ACTUALLY HAVE LEFT. BRING BACK AN INVENTORY. BRING BACK I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN HAVE A NEEDS ASSESSMENT DONE BY THAT TIME AND LOOKING AT JANUARY FOR THE NEXT WORKSHOP BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS, BUT HAVE A NEEDS ASSESSMENT DONE. IF WE CAN HAVE IT DONE BY THAT TIME? GREAT. IF NOT, IT WOULDN'T BE ON. YOU KNOW THAT THAT FOLLOWING WORKSHOP CONTINUE THESE DISCUSSIONS FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE MAJORITY IS THAT WE WANT TO LEAVE THE HALF 10 CITY THERE, BUT CHANGE, UM SOME OF THE PARAMETERS AS TO SIZING AND YOU GUYS CAN HASH THAT OUT IN THE NEXT WORKSHOP. UM WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT THE PARKING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THOSE HALF DENSITY UNITS BECAUSE THERE IS A CALCULATION IN THE TABLE WHERE THERE'S LESS PARKING ON THE HALF DENSITY AS WELL. IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT AS WELL OR IF YOU WANT TO RAISE IT BACK TO THE LEVEL OF THE REST OF THE CODE, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS AS WELL. AND, UM I DON'T HEAR MY CONSENSUS THAT I'M HEARING SO FAR. BUT AGAIN, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN THE NEXT WORKSHOP IS THAT THE CONSENSUS IS NOT TO MESS WITH THE CURRENT DENSITY CALCULATIONS OR TABLES OR U P. U D S RPGS IN GENERAL. UM BY MISTAKEN, PLEASE, JUST SO JUST TO CLARIFY IT. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR FOR BRINGING BRINGING THE STATE LAW RIGHT BECAUSE WE ARE BATTLING WITH THE STATE HERE AND THESE FRACTIONAL DENSITIES. IT'S ONE OF THE FUEL. FEW TOOLS WE HAVE LEFT. CORRECT. YES TO GET DEVELOPERS TO PROVIDE ATTAINABLE OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING , SO I CAN ALSO UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF THEM IF WE COME UP WITH THE RIGHT LANGUAGE. AND IF YOU WOULD AGAIN WAIT FOR THE BECAUSE COMMISSIONER CLARK, I'M SORRY TO MAKE A COMMENT, SO JUST WAIT TO GET RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR. THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU, MR CLARK. THANKS MR MARSHALL. IF YOU COULD HOLD YOUR THING IN RESPONSIVE COMMISSIONER RICH, BUT, UH AGAIN. WE HAVE THE FORM BASED CODE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE STILL HAVEN'T ADOPTED THAT. WE STILL NEED TO UPDATE OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, IDENTIFY A NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING. WE HAVE SOME ISSUES THAT I THOUGHT, BUT I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE BECAUSE OF COVID FROM WHEN, MR UM FREEMAN WAS HERE WHEN HE FIRST CAME HERE AND MAYBE MR MORTAL CAN CLARIFY THIS. IF WE HAVE ANY ISSUES LEFT OVER FROM BETWEEN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND OUR GENERAL POLICIES THAT ARE COM PLAN. IF THERE'S ANYTHING I THOUGHT WE HAD SENT EVERYTHING THAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS ALIGNED. WHAT MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON , YOU GUYS. YOU DID AMEND THE EAR AND FINISHED IT SENT IT IN AND IT WAS APPROVED. JUNE 22ND.

OKAY SO EVERYTHING IS EVERYTHING IS GOOD ON THAT. WELL, WE ONLY HAVE THIS FORM BASED CODE THAT WE'RE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THESE TWO DISTRICTS, AND NOW WE HAVE AN AREA THAT WE ARE WAITING

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TO HELP STUART GROW SLOWER. YOU THINK THERE'S ANY CHANGES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE? SO IS THIS A POP QUIZ? BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON THESE TWO ISSUES HEARING. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE YOU HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE CURRENT THAT'S NOT TRUE AT ALL. BUT IN TERMS OF OUR COMPLAINING LAND, YOU STILL FEEL LIKE I WOULD PREFER THAT WE CAN FIND OUR DISCUSSION TO THE ISSUES IN FRONT OF US THIS EVENING. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. YOU HAVE BROADER, LET'S DIRECT OUR COMMISSION COMMENTS TO THE STAFF AND THE STAFF COME BACK. AND YEAH, YOU KNOW, ED, UM COME BACK AND SEE WHAT THE STAFF COMES UP WITH. AND WE'LL HAVE AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP, WHICH WOULD GET SCHEDULED FOR EARLY JANUARY. YEAH AND I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET ACCESS TO IT. DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GET ACCESS TO IT OR NOT, BUT THE COUNTY HAS THIS TOOL THAT THEY HAVE BUILT FOR THEM LAST YEAR. IT'S A MAPPING TOOL AND IT IF YOU DON'T CHANGE WHAT THE YEP . FUTURE LAND USE ZONING IS ON A PARTICULAR PROPERTY PROJECTS WHAT YOUR POPULATION AND STUFF IS GOING TO BE BASED ON THOSE MAXIMUM BUILD OUT. IT INCLUDES THE CITY AS WELL AS 100 AND 90,000. TO CONTINUE, OKAY? YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT. OKAY IF THAT'S ALL THAT, GO AHEAD, SO, UH, TO YOU, COMMISSIONER, UM MCDONALD.

WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS WITH THE FLORIDA STATUTES FROM YOUR RESEARCH THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING WITH? UM NOT FOLLOWING THEM. IF WE WERE TO DEVIATE FROM FLORIDA STATUTE, WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THAT'S HOW WE END UP GETTING THAT'S HOW THEY END UP CREATING NEW LAWS THAT PREEMPT US FROM WHEN WE DEVIATE. UH SECOND WE TOOK AN OATH AS COMMISSIONERS TO FOLLOW STATE LAW AND THE CONSTITUTION THE STATE OF FLORIDA LAW WE HAVE AND WE HAVE A OBLIGATION. TO FOLLOW THE LAW WE HAVE WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT OR AUTHORITY NOT TO AND THEN YOU GET INTO THE SITUATION WHERE WHEN YOU STOP FOLLOWING STATE LAW, AND YOU DEPRIVE SOMEBODY OF THEIR RIGHTS , THEN THAT POTENTIALLY WE CAN ACTUALLY LEAD TO CIVIL LITIGATION, OF COURSE, AND BUT THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE AND YOU IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THEM CHIPPING AWAY AT HOME RULE OR ABILITY TO REGULATE OURSELVES IS WHEN CITIES AND COUNTIES, MRS POWELL'S AND COUNTIES GET TOO FAR A FIELD OLD OLD ARE VIOLATING BREAKING, NOT FOLLOWING WHATEVER YOU WANT TO USE. THERE'S IT DEPENDS ON YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY BEND IT, BREAK IT, JUST SHATTER IT. STATE LAW AND THAT'S WHEN THE LEGISLATURE COMES IN AND SAYS YOU KNOW WHAT? WE GAVE YOU A SET OF RULES. YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW THEM . WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A NEW SET AND YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE ANY CONTROL. AND THEY'VE DONE THAT ON MULTIPLE THINGS THEY TRIED TO DO IT WITH, UH BECAUSE OF SOME ISSUES IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, NOT US INVOLVING UTILITIES, AND THERE WAS THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT.

UH I'M GONNA SAY 2012 13 TO LITERALLY TAKE THE CONTROL OF SETTING OUR UTILITY RATES. AND TAKE IT AWAY FROM US AND GIVE IT TO THE, UH, FLORIDA. WHAT IS IT? THE UTILITIES COMMISSION. AND WHICH THEN WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO WHICH THEY WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE RATES THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE JUST APPROVED THEM, BUT IT WOULD HAVE ADDED A LAYER OF COST TO OUR RESIDENTS. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IMMENSE ALL BECAUSE OF ONE MUNICIPALITY, A COUPLE COUNTIES NORTH OF US INVOLVING ELECTRIC IN ELECTRIC UTILITY. AND SO THAT'S THE SOME OF THE REASONS WHY, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW STATE LAW. SO THE CONCERN IS THAT THE STATE WILL IF WE, FOR INSTANCE, WITH THAT ONE STATUTE, 16.

THEY'RE ALL 1 63 63 3177 WITH IN TERMS OF GOING INTO LOWER DENSITY RIGHT? THE THAT STATUTE WAS SAYING, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO PUSH FOR LOWER DENSITY. WE DON'T WANT THAT. SO DOES THAT STATUTE PREVENT US FROM LOOKING TO LOWER DENSITY TO CREATE SLOWER GROWTH? I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION FOR MR MARTEL. I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I WOULD INTERPRET IT AND THAT IT IS BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN PUSH THAT . DO YOU FIND THAT TO BE, UH, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE STATUTE OF THE STATE STATUTE AS WELL. I DON'T THINK THE STATE WROTE ANY OF THOSE STATUTES WITH A SIX WHERE MILE CITY IN MIND IS THE

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COMING IN AND WHAT WOULD BE THE CONCERN THAT THE STATE WOULD PRE NOT PREEMPT US? BUT SO TAKE OVER . THAT IS WHAT IT IS. THE STATE HAS THE STATE HAS BEEN KNOWN TO PREEMPT A LOT AND FOR EXAMPLE. A LOT OF SOUTH COMMUNITIES WERE DOING THE INCLUSIONARY ZONING WHERE THEY DO AN APPROVAL FOR A APARTMENT BUILDING AND OR CONDO BUILDINGS, AND IT SAID THAT YOU HAVE TO DO 30% AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO IN 2019 AND 2020, IT WAS UPDATED. THE STATE ADDED A STATUTE THAT SAID ANY MUNICIPALITY THAT DOES INCLUSIONARY ZONING MUST COMPENSATE THE DEVELOPER FOR THE FULL VALUE OF ANY REDUCTION IN VALUE THAT THEY GOT FOR ANY OF THOSE UNITS, SO IF YOU MADE SOMEBODY RENT A UNIT FOR $1500 THAT WAS GOING TO BE $2500. SO $1000 A MONTH IS $12,000 A YEAR TIMES A 37.5 YEAR BASIS TIMES 100 UNITS. THE EXPECTATION WAS GIVE THE DEVELOPER THE PRESENT VALUE OF THAT MONEY. AND SO OBVIOUSLY THE STATE CAME BACK IN AND LITERALLY REWROTE THE CODE AND TOOK THOSE AWAY THAT TOOL AWAY, SO THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. WITHIN THE SCOPE OF DENSITY, THOUGH, DO WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLE? WHERE, UH, THE STATE IS PREEMPTING AND SOMEHOW TAKING OVER SOMETHING LIKE WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. BEYOND THE YOU KNOW THE PERCENTAGE OF THE WORKFORCE DON'T HAVE BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE STATUTES BROUGHT UP.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GET TO THAT DON'T HAVE AN EXACT FEELS SORT OF LIKE A GENERAL ANXIETY.

AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS WHY WOULD WE BASE THE WAY THAT WE DEVELOP OUR SPECIAL LITTLE CITY BASED ON FLORIDA STATUTE? BECAUSE IT'S THE LAW. BUT BUT IF THERE IS NO EXAMPLE OF CLEARLY THE STATE COMING IN AND PREEMPTING US BASED ON OUR DESIRE TO HAVE LOWER DENSITY AS A TRUE. IS IT TRULY A THREAT? BUT DO WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT HAVING HAPPENING? ACTIVELY WHERE THE STATE IS COMING IN AND TAKING OVER YOUR MUNICIPALITY BECAUSE YOU'RE PUSHING FOR LOWER DENSITY AND SLOWER GROWTH. GENERAL FEAR IT'S NOT REALLY HOW IT WORKS. SO THAT'S A BIG THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. HOW DOES IT WORK OR WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO WORK IS THEY PASS A LAW WE FOLLOW IT WERE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW IT. YOU SWORE KNOWS. YEAH I MEAN, THAT'S THE REALITY IS WE SWORE AN OATH, THE FOUL STATE LAW. AND, UH, AND THAT'S I MEAN , BE HONEST. I WAS SURPRISED ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS I READ IN THE STATUTE I CAN'T GET. YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN OTHER STATES WHERE THEY ARE TRYING TO GET MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES TO THAT FLORIDA, UM OTHER STATES WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES TO APPROVE MORE HAVE A HAVE THE STATE HAS ELIMINATED SINGLE FAMILY ZONING COMPLETELY GONE. AND YOU KNOW, AND WE DON'T. THAT IS SOMETHING WE DO NOT UH, WHY WE DO NOT WANT TO LET ME SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THE BEST THING THAT WE CAN DO. WE WANT TO SLOW CURB THE GROWTH IS CREATE THE CODE. AND THE CODE TO REACH THE GOALS THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. THE GOAL WAS JUST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THAT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH. FIRST OF ALL, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROPERTY LEFT. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. IT SOUNDS LIKE BASED ON WHAT YOU WERE PITCHING THAT THE ONLY GOAL IS TO CREATE MORE 500 SQUARE FOOT APARTMENTS . NO THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEAN. THAT'S NOT SLOWER GROWTH. THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS THINKING. WHAT I SAID WAS IN THE CONTEXT OF THESE ARE HALF YOU KNOW THE HALF UNIT DISCUSSION AND CREATING THE AFFORDABLE OH, UNIT. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GONNA GET SMALLER UNITS, NOT I'M NOT JUST PITCHING THAT WE GO OUT AND PRODUCE 500 SQUARE FOOT UNIT. I

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BOTH OF US RAN ON SLOW GROWTH. AS A PART OF OUR PLATFORM, AND I THINK TO GO INTO THE ZONING AND PROGRESS PROCESS AND JUST SAY EVERYTHING IS FINE WITH OUR LAND USE AND ZONING WILL JUST MAKE A COUPLE LITTLE TWEAKS. THAT'S PART OF WHAT GOT US WHERE WE ARE , AND I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT WHAT DID WHAT ARE WE SETTING OURSELVES UP TO BUILD AND DEVELOP GOING FORWARD, AND I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO FRUSTRATE DEVELOPERS. I KNOW THAT THERE'S INTEREST THAT DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT. BUT I THINK THAT THAT WE CAN'T JUST BREEZE OVER THAT IN THE ZONING IN PROGRESS AND ACT LIKE YOU KNOW, AND TO THE MAIN POINT AGAIN. I'D LIKE TO ASK MR MARTEL, IS THERE A CLEAR THREAT FROM THE STATE? IF WE WERE DESIRED, WERE DESIRING TO DECREASE OUR CONDITIONAL USE DENSITY AS AN EXAMPLE. LET'S SAY, JUST MAKE EM COMING OUT OF LEFT FIELD, JUST SAYING THIS.

HEY WE'RE NOT GONNA DO 30 UNITS PER ACRE IN OUR CONDITIONAL USE WHEN MAKING 20. IS THERE TRULY A THREAT FROM THE STATE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN AND SOMEHOW TAKE OVER OR IS THIS SORT OF A BOOGEYMAN THAT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THE MAYOR SAID. THE STATE IS NOT GOING TO COME AND REMOVE THE CITY COMMISSIONERS FROM THE FROM THE DIESS AND START DOING ZONING APPROVALS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU DO. IF, IN FACT YOU WERE TO VIOLATE THE BIRD HARRIS ACT AND TAKE THE VALUE OF SOMEBODY'S LAND AND STRIP IT TO ZERO. THE STATE'S NOT GOING TO COME IN AND TAKE YOU FROM YOUR SEATS AND KICK YOU OUT OF THE ROOM. IF ENOUGH. MUNICIPALITIES. DO SOMETHING THAT THE STATE FINDS. INCONSISTENT WITH THE DIRECTIVES. THEY. RIGHT. MORE LAWS. TO UM, TAKE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL IT AWAY FROM HOME RULE. UM BUT AS IT RELATES TO THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE IF YOU WENT FROM BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, LET'S ASSUME THAT THE ZONING DISTRICT OF 15 UNITS PER ACRE BY RIGHT AND IT HAS THE ABILITY TO GO UP TO 30 UNITS AN ACRE. IF YOU REDUCE THAT TO A MAXIMUM OF 20 UNITS PER ACRE. THE STATE'S NOT GONNA SHOW UP BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, THE CITY. IT WOULDN'T IMPACT ENOUGH PEOPLE BECAUSE THERE'S 200 ACRES LEFT IN THE CITY OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, EVEN IF IT WAS ALL 4000 ACRES OF THE CITY. THAT MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH TO GET THE ATTENTION OF THE STATE. HOWEVER. THE ISSUE. I THINK IT IS PROBABLY BIGGER THAN THAT. IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF WHAT THE STATE COME DOWN HERE AND SHAKE US OR DO WHATEVER. THE STATUTES. THAT WERE BEING QUOTED DO HAVE THE STATE'S POLICIES IN THEM THAT SAY THAT THE QUESTION IS, HOW ARE THOSE INTERPRETED INTERPRETED BY THE BOARD? AND WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS THAT IS THAT IS REACHED BY A BOARD AS TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE DIRECTIVES TO TRY AND MAKE ITS COMMUNITY THE BEST. IT CAN SEE ITS COMMUNITY BEING THAT I DON'T I'M NOT. CONCERNED AT ALL THAT THE STATE'S GOING TO TAKE AWAY THE JOBS. I MEAN, DON'T GET ME WRONG IF I THINK THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO A PLACE WHERE WE'RE EVEN GETTING GET SUIT TELL YOU BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT EITHER. COMMISSIONER CLARK. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. MR. MAYOR. WHEN YOU FIRST CALLED ME I WANTED TO FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES BECAUSE YOU, UM YOU'RE AT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING AND THE YOU KNOW, THERE'S UM, ZONE IN PROGRESS AND THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO PUT IN. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I DID WITH REGARD TO THAT. I JUST WANTED TO ADD IN AS A POTENTIAL, ADDING TO THE SOLUTION ISSUE. I'VE SEEN AND I KNOW THAT MR RICHARDS VERY ACTIVE IN SAYING THAT HE'S BEEN A MEMBER OF THE L P A. AND WE'VE HAD AN LP THAT A LOT OF THEM ARE LONGSTANDING MEMBERS, BUT I THINK THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR A STEWART CARES SIMILAR TO

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BUT THEN THEY STILL OTHER THING. IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE ON ONE THING, WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THEM ON ANOTHER. AND I WOULD ASK MR MOORE TELL. I KNOW I DIDN'T ASK YOU THIS, UM FOR TODAY, BUT I THINK AT SOME YEARS AGO, BACK IN 2016 2017 AS WELL AS LATER THAN THAT. WE HAD COME UP WITH SOME POLICIES THAT TALKS ABOUT CENSORING COMMISSIONERS OR THINGS THAT PEOPLE CAN OR CANNOT DO OR WHAT MEETS WHAT REQUIREMENTS AND IF WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS, AND IF THE RESIDENTS HAVE ANY CONCERNS THAT WE NEED TO AT LEAST LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF ANYTHING AMOUNTS TO ANYTHING AND IF WE NEED TO TALK, AND IF THE COMMISSIONER SO WE NEED TO JUST ADDRESS AND UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IT'S YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAY WHEN YOU HAVE OBSCENITIES, WHATEVER YOU SEE WHEN YOU WILL KNOW IT WHEN YOU SEE IT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME IF WE HAVE SOMETHING IN OUR POLICIES BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I'D SIGNED SOMETHING PREVIOUSLY THAT SAYS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS AND IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, AND JUST SAY ONCE AND FOR ALL, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING BUT I KNOW THAT RESIDENTS AS WELL AS GROUPS CAN ALSO FILE SOMETHING. WHATEVER THEY WANT TO FILE PEOPLE CAN ALWAYS INVESTIGATE PEOPLE AT WHATEVER LEVEL BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID SOMETHING AND WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THEM. AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S IN OUR CODE, UM UM, WHETHER IT WAS ADOPTED OR NOT, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO SIGN AS COMMISSIONERS AS TO WHAT WE WANT TO DO OUR CODE OF CONDUCT. AND IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT CODE OF CONDUCT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN IT THAT WAS VIOLATED THE NIGHT SUGGEST THAT WE DO THAT AND SET THIS THING TO BED AND JUST DEAL WITH IT AND KEEP MOVING FORWARD AND KEEP ME MAKING EACH OF US BETTER COMMISSIONERS EACH DAY AS WE GO ALONG IF YOU RECALL LAST MONDAY , ROBYN CARTWRIGHT MENTIONED THE THING ABOUT THE CODE OF CONDUCT AND I MET WITH ME, UH, A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER LATER, AND WE HAD A PRETTY THOROUGH DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. I SPOKE WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND WAS IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING TOGETHER A MEMORANDUM TO THE COMMISSION ON THAT EXACT ISSUE. THE ONLY REASON IT WASN'T FINISHED AND DIDN'T GET TO THIS BECAUSE WE WERE PREPARING FOR THE ZIP MEETING. INSTEAD, ANOTHER ISSUES CAME UP BY THE END OF THE WEEK. WE WILL BE GETTING A MEMO FOR ME TO COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO THE ISSUE THAT CAME UP ON FRIDAY, BUT AS A PERTAINS TO THAT EXACT COMMENTS THAT YOU JUST MADE RIGHT, SO WE JUST NEED TO. I THINK AS A COMMISSION, WE NEED TO BE BIG ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE RESPONDED TO IT IN SOME KIND OF A WAY BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS HAVE ASKED US THANK YOU. WELL WHAT? COMMISSIONER RICH THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP, COMMISSIONER CLARK, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE IMAGE IS STILL UP AND UNDER THE

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