[15. RENEWAL OF FLAGLER CENTER LEASE WITH STUART MAIN STREET ASSOCIATION, INC. (RC) RESOLUTION No. 106-2022; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA TO AUTHORIZE A THIRTY-SIX (36) MONTH ABSOLUTE TRIPLE NET - UNSUBORDINANTED LEASE AGREEMENT RENEWAL BETWEEN THE CITY OF STUART AND STUART MAIN STREET ASSOCIATION, INC. FOR THE "FLAGLER CENTER" LOCATED AT 121 SW FLAGLER AVENUE, STUART; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

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RENEWAL THE FLAG OVER CENTER, AT LEAST WITH STUART MAIN STREET ASSOCIATION. OKAY DAVID OR MIKE ? ARE YOU GONNA READ THE RESOLUTION? ITS RESOLUTION NUMBER ONE. OH 6-202 TO A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA TO AUTHORIZE A 36 MONTH ABSOLUTE TRIPLE NET ON SUBORDINATED LEASE AGREEMENT RENEWAL BETWEEN THE CITY OF STEWART AND STEWART MAIN STREET ASSOCIATION INC. FOR THE FLAGLER CENTER, LOCATED AT 1 TO 1, SOUTHWEST FLAGLER AVENUE, STEWART PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

OKAY AND IT'S SO MR TROTSKY IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SHE MAY HAVE AS IT RELATES TO THE FLAG RELEASE JUST A COUPLE OF TIDBITS OF INFORMATION PRIOR TO ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. WE ENTERED INTO THIS LEASE. UM AND AT THE BEGINNING WE GAVE THEM A LEEWAY WAS ABOUT SIX MONTHS BEFORE WE WERE TO START COLLECTING RENT AND THEN COVID HIT AND AT THAT POINT, THE COMMISSION AGREED TO ALLOW AN EXTENSION PRIOR TO COLLECTING ANY LEASE FUNDS FROM THAT. SO SINCE THAT POINT, AND SINCE THEY'VE BEGUN BEING ABLE TO RENT THE CENTER OUT WE'VE COLLECTED APPROXIMATELY $64,000 TO DATE AND IT IS IT IS IN LINE WITH WHAT OUR PREVIOUS TENANT I BELIEVE WAS PAYING FOR THE LEASE ON THE ON THE AGREEMENT, AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION OF ANOTHER THREE YEAR TERM. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A ANY COMMENTS OR EMOTION? I HAVE. I MAY HAVE SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT. THE AGREEMENT. OKAY? SO IT'S IT SEEMS. LIKE THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE CITY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH MAIN STREET AS WELL. UM SPECIFICALLY , THE CONVERSATION IS AROUND THE LEASE OF THE FLAGLER CENTER, BUT I HAD A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER MOVING PARTS TO JUST FOR UNDERSTANDING.

UM ONE IS THE GREEN MARKET. DOES THE GREENMARKET? UH DOES THE CITY RECEIVE NET? FROM THE GREEN MARKET. OR IS THAT NET FROM THE GREENMARKET GOING TO MAIN STREET? THERE IS A PERCENTAGE OF THE GREEN MARKET THAT DOES COME BACK TO THE CITY. THAT IS PURSE . IT'S VERY MINIMAL, I THINK, WELL THIS PAST YEAR IT WAS A LITTLE OVER $2000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. PLEASE COME UP TO THEM. I CAN COME UP TO THE MICROPHONES SO WE CAN HAVE YOU ON THE RECORD AND IT'S JIM CURL, SKI COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD. WELCOME, CANDACE. FOR THE RECORD. CANDICE CALLAHAN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR STEWART, MAIN STREET. UM, THE. WHEN THE GREENMARKET AGREEMENT CAME UP TO, OR THE OPPORTUNITY TO HELP RUN THE GREENMARKET FOR OUR CITY AND OUR COMMUNITY, UM, WE NEGOTIATED PART OF OUR RFP THAT WE SUBMITTED WAS TO GIVE BACK A 20% OF OUR NET. THAT WASN'T DONE IN PREVIOUS YEARS WITH THE PREVIOUS OPERATOR OF THE GREEN MARKET, SO RIGHT THERE. THE CITY IS ALREADY GETTING MORE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON WHAT THE GREENMARKET ACTUALLY MEANS AND STANDS FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE ENTIRE CITY.

COUNTY REGION. UM BUT WE ALSO DO PAY AN ANNUAL LEASE FOR THE SPACE WE ACTUALLY PAY TO USE THE SPACE EVERY WEEK. HOW MUCH IS THAT? YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S ABOUT I THINK 1500 A YEAR 2100 CORRECT. AND THEN I THINK OUR 20% WAS THIS YEAR BECAUSE IT WAS OUR FIRST YEAR OF HAVING THE MARKET WITH ONLY HAD IT FOR JUST LITTLE OVER A YEAR. I THINK WE ACTUALLY GAVE BACK AROUND $5600 NOT 7600. I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER. HE DOESN'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF HIM. I'M SORRY, BUT YES. SO IT IS ABOUT $5600 THAT WE DID GIVE BACK TO THE CITY OF STEWART, WHICH WE NEGOTIATED AS PART OF OUR RFP TO HAVE THOSE FUNDS PUT TOWARDS A FUTURE PROJECT, TOO. FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN BECAUSE AGAIN THAT'S THE WHOLE MAIN STREET MISSION IS TO HELP THE DOWNTOWN. SO ANY FUNDS THAT WE RAISE GOES BACK INTO HELPING OUR DOWNTOWN PUTTING ON OUR COMMUNITY EVENTS LIKE THE GREENMARKET, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A HUGE EXPENSE, AND WE'VE SHARED OUR BUDGET. THAT'S SO YOU'RE BEING MORE THAN HAPPY TO LOOK OVER THAT WITH YOU AS WELL. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT IT ACTUALLY TAKES TO RUN A MARKET ASKING THESE QUESTIONS, PLEASE DO NOT KNOW. PLEASE TAKE THIS AS, UM. NOT APPRECIATING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. MY OR THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING GREAT THINGS MY WHOLE CONVERSATION AROUND. THIS IS TO UNDERSTAND, BUT ALSO TO ASK CRITICAL QUESTIONS AS AN AGENT FOR RESIDENTS TO TRY TO GET THE BEST DEAL. FOR TAXPAYERS

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. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT ANY SORT OF ASSAULT ON YOU OR ANYTHING YOU'RE DOING SO OH, NO, NO. SO OKAY, SO THE NEXT WOULD BE. THERE'S GREENMARKET. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, UM. COMMISSIONER COLLINS CAN I SHARE WITH YOU? THE FOUR AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE . THANK YOU. WE HAVE ROCKIN RIVERWALK, WHICH IS AN ANNUAL LICENSE AGREEMENT. WE HAVE MARKET ON MAIN, FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE GREEN MARKET, WHICH WE JUST DISCUSSED BRIEFLY. WE HAVE THE FLAGLER LEASE, WHICH IS THE ITEM THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING NOW AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH STUART MAIN STREET AS WELL, SO THEY'RE REALLY FOUR DIFFERENT ARRANGEMENTS. UM, QUICKLY. THE ROCK AND RIVERWALK ARRANGEMENT. QUICK SUMMARY ON THAT RIVER WALK IS HELD EVERY NOT WHAT IT IS THE DETAILS, FINANCIALLY FINANCIAL DETAILS AND TRYING IT'S ANOTHER $1500 100 OK, 1500 A YEAR TO OFFER FREE MUSIC FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO ENJOY TO HELP ADD VIBRANCY TO OUR DOWNTOWN. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE NUMBER, THE LICENSE AGREEMENT IS OR THE SERVICE AGREEMENT IS 70 A YEAR.

UM AND WE JUST DISCUSSED THE MARKET ON MAIN. AND THEN WE HAVE THE LEASE AGREEMENT IN FRONT OF US. SO WITHIN THOSE DIFFERENT ARRANGEMENTS, MY THOUGHT PROCESSES. SO LET'S LET'S TAKE THAT 70,000 YEAR 5800 MONTH AGREEMENT RIGHT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AND CORRECT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THE IDEA WAS INITIALLY TO HAVE THAT AND THEN SORT OF DE ESCALATE THAT TOWARDS ZERO AS MARKET ON MAIN STREET GOT A ON THEIR FEET . WELL, THAT WAS THE TIME. THAT WAS THAT SERVICE AGREEMENT WAS BEFORE THE MARKET EVEN CAME IN AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE GREENMARKET. BUT I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE MARKET MARKET ON MAIN STREET OR MAIN STREET. SORRY.

STUART MAIN STREET. OKAY. SO SINCE AGREEMENT WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, PUT ONTO A GLIDING PATH IN WHICH IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE STAIR STEPPED DOWN OVER TIME. UM AND LAST YEAR WE RENEWED IT AGAINST THE COMMISSION VOTED TO RENEW THE AGREEMENT. THREE YEARS HANDS. WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME ON THAT THAT YEARLY OR IS THAT 31 YEAR? ONE YEAR? ONE YEAR RIGHT LAST FISCAL YES SERVICE AGREEMENT. WOULD YOU, CANDACE? WOULD YOU SAY THAT? AT THIS POINT, MAIN STREET THAT YOU YOU GUYS ARE UP ON YOUR FEET. SIR, I DON'T THINK IT HAS. I DON'T THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF US BEING ON OUR FEET. IT'S ABOUT PROVIDING THE SERVICES TO OUR CITY AND WHAT THAT'S WORTH. IN MY EYES, AND IN MY OPINION, I THINK MY BOARD SHARES THE SAME OPINION. I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE A CONVERSATION OF, UM IT SEEMS LIKE A LARGE NUMBER, BUT ON THE BIG SCALE. IT'S NOT.

I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY POSITIONING OURSELVES TO AH, UM TO INCREASE THAT VALUE AND TO INCREASE THAT WORTH EXPANDING OUR PROGRAM BECAUSE AS ANY NONPROFIT, AND I'LL REMIND EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM THAT NOT MAIN STREET IS NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY. WE ARE A PRIVATE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION OF FIVE OH ONE C THREE NONPROFIT, SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE CONSISTENT STREAMS THESE REVENUE STREAMS TO SUSTAIN. AS WE'VE SUSTAINED FOR THE LAST 35 YEARS, PROUDLY SERVING OUR COMMUNITY AND WE CONTINUE TO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND ADD VALUE WERE ONE OF THE MOST MATURE MAIN STREET PROGRAMS AND ALL OF THE COUNTRY. AND WE'VE DONE A LOT. ARE ORIGINATORS ARE DEVELOPERS ARE HERE. ANDY MCMILLAN IS A LEGEND . SHE SHE. CAN SPEAK TO THE HISTORY IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OUTSIDE OF HERE, BUT AS PER THE QUESTION, BUT YOUR QUESTION WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED, AND THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME AS WELL. SO YOU AND I ARE BOTH KIND OF ALSO LEARNING AND NAVIGATING THESE WATERS. BUT I DON'T I DON'T THINK THE CONVERSATION NO MATTER WHAT NONPROFITS SHOULD EVER AND THEY ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH A PRIVATE ENTITY OR MUNICIPALITY, WHOMEVER GOVERNMENT AGENCY. THE QUESTION IS, IT SHOULD BE SHOULDN'T BE ABOUT HOW DO WE GET THEM OFF OUR BUDGET? IT SHOULD BE. HOW CAN WE HELP THEM CONTINUE TO GROW AND PROVIDE MORE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND PARTNERSHIP. IT'S A PARTNERSHIP. IT'S A PARTNERSHIP.

BUT AS AS PER SPECIFICALLY TO TONIGHT WITH THE FLAG WILL RELEASE THAT PART OF THE ARRANGEMENT WAS SIX MONTHS WITHOUT PAYING RENT, SO THAT YOU COULD GET UP ON YOUR FEET ALONG WITH THAT ORIGINAL 70 GRAND TO GET UP ON YOUR FEET. THAT WAS THE WEREN'T ABLE TO UTILIZE THE FLAGLER TO FUNDRAISE BECAUSE OF COVID. SO WITH THE GRACE OF THE COMMISSION AND THE GENEROSITY OF

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THE COMMISSION, THEY HAD VOTED TO EXTEND NOT ALLOWED NOT HAVE US PAY RENT AS A GOOD LANDLORD WOULD DO TO ANYONE IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES SO, THEREFORE, I MEAN, WE STILL ACTED ON OUR SERVICE AGREEMENT. I MEAN, I HAVE TO REPORT TO THE CITY EVERY QUARTER ON HOW WE'VE ACTED IN, YOU KNOW, SATISFY THE SERVICE AGREEMENT BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE IS THE SAME AS YOU WOULD CONTRACT AND SOMEBODY TO BUILD YOUR HOME LIKE WE REPORT ON THOSE SERVICES ALSO REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A FULL REVENUE EXPENSE BUDGET, WHICH THEY DO. I FORWARDED IT TO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS. PREVIOUSLY ONE CANVAS SUBMITTED TO ME. AND THAT'S FOR ALL OVER THERE. I MEAN, I THINK MAIN STREET. I MEAN, I THINK THE MARKET WAS IN THAT AND THE FLAGLER CENTER WAS IN THAT. IN THE SERVICE AGREEMENT MONEY WITHIN THAT EVERY SINGLE IN OUR BUDGET. I'M SORRY I COULDN'T. MAYBE I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE STRUGGLING WITH, AND THAT IS THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS WHOLE THING. SO BY LOOKING AT THIS THING FROM THOSE FROM THAT LENS , UM ONE WAY THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS WHOLE SCENARIO, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S FOUR SEPARATE ISSUES IS THAT THE MONEY THAT WE ESSENTIALLY GIVE FOR THE SERVICE AGREEMENT. JUST $70,000 FOR ALL ESSENTIAL PURPOSES, AND I KNOW THIS BECAUSE WE STARTED THE ROCK AND RIVERWALK SERIES BACK WHEN IT WAS THE JAZZ SERIES. IT WOULD COST APPROXIMATELY 65 TO $70,000 TO PRODUCE JUST THAT EVENT ALONE. SO THAT'S A PART OF THE DELIVERY HERBAL THAT COMES WITH THAT LICENSE AGREEMENT ITSELF. SO. THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT COULD ESSENTIALLY DO THAT, OR WE COULD ACTUALLY SUBCONTRACT THAT OUT, AND THAT SAVING ON STAFF RESOURCES. SAME THING IS TRUE. LOOKING AT THE FLAGLER CENTER WHEN THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT AT THE TIME RAN THAT COST THE CITY ABOUT $400,000. AND THEN WHEN WE HAD THE GREAT RECESSION, WE FELT IT WISE AT THAT POINT IN TIME WHERE WE WERE BEING FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE. TO DOWNSIZE THAT BRING THINGS TO 10TH STREET AND THEN OFFER THAT UP FOR A LIFE OR A LEASE RIGHT? AND THAT'S THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESSES NOW. WHAT WOULD THE MARKET RATE BE FOR FLAGLER CENTER SO THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION OF POTENTIALLY RENEGOTIATING THIS AT THIS POINT IS THE CITY IS IT IS. UM ON THE HOOK FOR $1500 A MONTH. WE HAVE LESS THAN MARKET RATE RUN ON FLAGLER CENTER. WHAT IS THE CURRENT RENT? AT WHAT WE HAD 27 50 20 100 BUCKS A MONTH FOR I THINK IT WAS 3% ESCALATED FROM 2,527,000. NO, NO. 272,700 THOSE COMMISSIONER COLLEGE. JUST STEP IN REAL QUICK. JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT OF FIRST THE FLAG WERE CENTER GOATS. WE ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO IT. WE HAVE SO MANY SO MANY DAYS, AND SO THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AND THEY'RE PROVIDING THE SERVICE. UH THAT WE'RE EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE A FULL MARKET RATE. MHM RELEASED IT TO A PRIVATE COMPANY. WE WOULD LOSE POTENTIALLY LOSE THOSE DAYS AND, UH INCLUDE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF OUR LEASE. PARDON IF WE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF OUR LEGAL RIGHT, BUT DEPENDING WHAT THEIR USE WAS, THEY MIGHT NOT. IT MIGHT NOT WORK BUT ALSO, UM THE IT THERE, MEETING. SOME OF THE RECREATIONAL NEEDS THAT THAT WAS PROVIDING BY MEETING SPACE. FOR THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT MEET THEIR THERE'S A BUSINESS GROUP. THERE'S A POLITICAL PARTY THAT MEETS THEIR THERE'S BEEN CHURCHES THAT HAVE HAD SERVICE THERE. SO THERE IS A THERE IS THAT ASPECT AS WELL. SO JUST TO KIND OF CATCH UP ON SOME OF THE HISTORY OF SO WHAT? THE CITY UH, BASICALLY BEING OUT THE 5800 MONTH, 70 K A YEAR PLUS A LESSON MARKET RATE RENT AND LOSING THE REVENUE FROM THE GREEN MARKET. MY THOUGHT PROCESS WOULD BE GOING FORWARD, RIGHT? THERE'S THESE DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS, SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO PACK THIS ALL TOGETHER. WE DO A LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY. IT COULD BE HARD TO WRAP YOUR ARMS AROUND ALL OF THAT TO DISCREDIT WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY.

BUT MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT. MAIN STREET IS. LET ME ASK YOU WHAT YOU MEANT ABOUT LOST REVENUE FROM THE MARKET? YES. WHAT DID THAT COMMENT MEAN? WHAT DO YOU LOSING FROM THE MARKET GETTING THE REST, NOT RUNNING IT OURSELVES. I ASSUME. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OKAY WELL, YOU COULD DO THE PERFORMANCE. YOU COULD ACTUALLY RUN THE NUMBERS AND BUT I MEAN, THAT'S WHY THESE AGREEMENTS EXIST GOING BACK TO MR KOWALSKI'S POINT OF ACTUALLY SAVING THE CITY MONEY BY OUTSOURCING AND CONTRACTING. ACTUALLY DO DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A HIGHER SO I THINK IT'S GOOD BUT GOING FORWARD THAT THE REVENUE THAT YOU COULD GENERATE WITH FLAGLER CENTER BY SUB LEASING IT RIGHT. MHM BY HOSTING EVENTS. THAT THE

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CITY SHOULD EITHER BE ABLE TO LOOK AT. LET ME FINISH SHOULD EITHER BE ABLE TO LOOK AT INCREASING THE RENT THERE TO WHERE IT'S CLOSER TO MARKET RATE. AND OR BEING ABLE TO CUT THE UMBILICAL CORD ON 70 K A YEAR. BECAUSE IF WE ARE PAYING YOU 70 K AND THEN THE RENT FOR OUR SPACE. IS 2700. PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS WRONG BECAUSE THERE'S VERY RUDE FOR ME TO SAY, BUT AT SOME POINT IT FEELS LIKE YOU ARE THE ADULT CHILD LIVING AT HOME. THAT IS NOT ABLE TO GROW UP AND BE YOUR OWN. I KNOW THAT'S REALLY RUDE, BUT I WANT TO SEE THE CITY FURTHER DISCONNECTED FROM MAIN STREET TO WHERE WE'RE NOT CONTINUING TO HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT WITH EITHER THE LESSON MARKET RATE RENT THAT YOU HAVE FOR FLAGLER CENTER. HANG THE REVENUE FROM THE GREENMARKET THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO SUSTAIN ON YOUR OWN AND BE FUNCTIONAL INSTEAD OF SORT OF THIS AWKWARD HYBRID, UM RELATIONSHIP AND AGAIN THIS IS NOTHING AGAINST WHAT YOU PROVIDE FOR THE CITY BECAUSE THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE. BUT IN TERMS OF NEGOTIATING THIS DEAL, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THAT WE EITHER GET THIS RATE CLOSER TO MARKET RATE ON WHAT? FLAGLER CENTER BECAUSE THIS IS THE TIME TO RENEGOTIATE. WE POTENTIALLY WON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS FOR THREE YEARS, AND THAT 70 K IS ANOTHER CONVERSATION AND A YEAR FROM NOW OR WHENEVER. BUT THAT WE EITHER BRING THIS CLOSER TO MARKET RATE OR UM POTENTIALLY DECREASE THE TERM ON THIS TO WHERE IT LOOKS MORE LIKE THE 70 K AND WERE ABLE TO READ THIS, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS WITH MORE CLARITY INSTEAD OF THESE, UM, THIS SITS IN THREE YEARS AND THIS HITS IN A YEAR SORT OF OVERALL. WHAT IS MAIN STREETS RELATIONSHIP WITH STUART FINANCIALLY INSTEAD OF THIS KIND OF NEBULOUS, IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE THING. SO I KNOW THAT'S A LOT. BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE IS, UM EITHER. WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO MARKET RATE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU DETAIL WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. BUT, UM I MAY HAVE A SOLUTION, PLEASE. SO IF I IF I'M A COMMENTS IF I MAKE ONE SECOND, LIKE, JUST MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS UM SO. I KNOW. THE FEW YEARS AGO, THE CITY WAS VOTING TO, UM, START WORKING ON SEPARATING THE CITY FROM MAIN STREET FINANCIALLY. I WAS NOT HERE AT THE TIME. I WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED FOR THAT. RIGHT UM, SO MAIN STREET. AND MAIN STREET PROGRAMS AND MUNICIPALITIES ARE CR RAISE OUR HAVE A SYMBIOTIC LINKED RELATIONSHIP. THEY PROVIDE THE REASON WHY IN MY BELIEF, UM, THAT WE PROVIDE THEM , UH, A PAYMENT. UM UH, A YEAR EVERY YEAR IS TO PROVIDE SO THEY CAN PROVIDE CERTAIN SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES THAT AT THE PUBLIC WANTS, FOR EXAMPLE, ROCKING RIVER ROCK, AND IF YOU CALM DOWN TO DOWNTOWN STUART ON A SUNDAY AND I'M NOT A BIG MUSIC GUY, BUT I COME DOWN THERE EVERY SO OFTEN AND THE PLACE IS PACKED AND THEY END IT. UM AMAZES ME HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE IN THE HOT SUN. UH, EVERY SUNDAY WATCHING MUSIC. THE UH THE GREENMARKET, UM. WE WENT THROUGH THIS VERY DIFFICULT AND ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT PAINFUL EFFORT OF WRESTLING THE GREENMARKET AWAY FROM THE PREVIOUS PROVIDER AND NOW, ULTIMATELY AWARDING IT TO STUART MAIN STREET, PROVIDING A SERVICE WHICH IS BELOVED BY THE COMMUNITY. I LOVE GOING DOWN TO THE GREENMARKET AND MY WIFE DOES, AND FAMILIES DO. SO WE HAVE THAT AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THEN WE LET'S GET TO THE ISSUE ON POINT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE ON POINT, WHICH IS THE FLAGLER CENTER ITSELF.

REGULAR CENTER FOR MANY YEARS UP UNTIL I BELIEVE 2010 IT WAS A COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER. UM, THERE WAS AND IT WAS AND POOR CONDITION. IT WAS NOT REALLY THAT WELL UP, KEPT UP. SORRY TO SORRY TO SAY HE, UM IT WASN'T PRODUCING MUCH FACT. I REMEMBER AT ONE POINT WE MY FAMILY RENTED A ROOM THERE. AND IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY FOR NOT A ROOM THAT WAS ACTUALLY FAIRLY DIRTY. UM WE AND THEN FROM A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, UM THE LYRIC TOOK IT OVER FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND OPERATED AND THEY RAN CAMPS AND IN BLACK BOX AND SOME OTHER THINGS, AND THEN THAT WENT AWAY.

THEN WE DID GO TO A PRIVATE VENDOR WHO, UM PAID WHO PAID US FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO OPERATE IT AND WHAT I HEARD FROM HER WAS THE ELECTRIC BILL IS $6000 A MONTH OR $4000 A MONTH.

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SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE OF THE HIGH CEILINGS AND THE AND THE 12 DIFFERENT AIR CONDITIONERS THAT IT TAKES TO OPERATE IT, UM THE THEN WE FINALLY AT AGAIN WHILE I WASN'T HERE, THERE WAS A DECISION MADE TO RELEASE IT TO MAIN STREET. UM WASN'T SURE TO BE HONEST, I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. IT WAS A BAD IDEA AT THE TIME I WAS BECAUSE I WASN'T INVOLVED IN IT. BUT THERE IS A VALUE THAT THEY ARE BRINGING TO THE COMMUNITY. IN ADDITION TO BE IN A BAND YOU OCCASIONAL VENUE FOR WEDDINGS AND BIRTHDAYS AND OTHER THINGS, BUT COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, NOT FOR PROFITS, I THINK WHAT IS IT TAKES FOR TEENS. THE TREES ARE THERE NOW ARE GETTING SET UP, AND THAT'S ALWAYS A FUN EVENT. UM THERE'S A BUSINESS THE MARTIN COUNTY BUSINESS EXCHANGE IS THERE. THERE'S THAT IT MEETS THEIR THERE'S NUMEROUS ORGANIZATIONS THAT MEET THERE THAT, UH, THAT IF WE PUT IT INTO 100% PRIVATE HANDS. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE. IT MIGHT BECOME A CORPORATE OFFICE. IT MIGHT BECAUSE IT MIGHT NOT BE A VENUE.

UM BUT WE COULD AS PART OF OUR LEAST HAVE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE SIMILAR COULD BUT AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO RAISE THE COST FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO USE IT. AND WHEN YOU RACE WHEN, WHEN YOU CAUSE FEES TO GO UP, THAT'S TO ME THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO A TAX INCREASE AND AGAIN. MAIN STREET IS NOT A IS NOT AS A NOT FOR PROFIT THAT IS SYMBIOTIC. PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, AND THAT'S AND THAT'S REALLY HALF HOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. MAIN STREET IS THERE OR, UH, AS YOU KNOW, AS PROMOTION FOR THE FOR THE CITY AND DO AND THEY'RE DOING THINGS THAT WE JUST CAN'T DO. IT'S JUST INEFFICIENT THAT THEY HAVE VOLUNTEERS. THEY'RE NOT HIRING PEOPLE WERE ANYTHING WE WOULD DO WERE YOU KNOW WE'D HAVE PAYROLL? I THINK BACK IN 2000 IN 2010 WHEN THEY GAVE IT TO THE WHEN WE GAVE IT TO THE LYRIC. IT WAS $400,000 A YEAR FOR STAFF TO KEEP IT OPERATED WITH OUR PAYROLL BY THE TIME WE PAY THE STAFF AND MAINTENANCE STAFF AND BENEFITS AND. AND RETIREMENT FOR EVERYBODY. SO I PARDON TAKEN OVER THE GREEN LINE. AND THE YEAH, THE GREENMARKET. ABSOLUTELY AND I THINK THE GREEN MARKET IS MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN EVER. AND ACTUALLY, WE'RE GETTING MONEY WHERE WE NEVER GOT ANYTHING BEFORE. IT WAS JUST NOTHING.

IT'S JUST THEY TOOK UP SPACE AND COMPLAINT, SO I THINK THAT I THINK THAT GIVING THE MAIN STREET A THREE YEAR EXTENSION EXTENDING THE AGREEMENT. IS THIS THE THING TO DO AND IF, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST AND I DON'T THINK IT'S THEY DON'T THINK IT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO. BUT MAYBE THERE IS A WAY TO LOCK ALL THESE AGREEMENTS AT THE SAME TIME, SO WE CAN SO THAT WE CAN, SINCE THEY ARE INTERLOCKED, BUT , UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT THIS IS THIS IS IMPORTANT, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE APPROVED THE LEAST. SO. AGAIN NOT TO DISCREDIT ANYTHING YOU'RE DOING. MY POINT IS JUST THAT. INITIALLY WE HAD A MUCH LOWER LOWER THAN MARKET RATE. TO GET HER STARTED AND EVEN FORGAVE HER FOR THOSE SIX MONTHS AND THEN WITH COVID. IS THERE, NOT A SENSE THAT WE SHOULD EVER BRING THAT CLOSER TO MARKET. WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE. WHAT SERVICE DID WE HAVE THEM CUT TO THE CITY? REMEMBER, THEY'RE NOT A PRIVATE BUSINESS. THAT SERVICE AGREEMENT IS TIED TO SUCH THINGS AS PUTTING ON THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING EVENT, WHICH YOU'RE ALL INVITED. DON'T FORGET. THE DAY AFTER THANKSGIVING. I EXPECT YOU TO BE THERE. YES. FLIP THAT. SWITCH YOUR LIGHTING THE TREE CHILDREN LOVE IT. NOT ONLY ARE OUR COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT WE DO FOR THE CITY, BUT THERE ALSO COMES A LOT MORE TO THAT, UM, WE ACT AS A VOICE FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN DOWNTOWN. AND WE TAKE POSITIONS ON THINGS WHEN WE NEED TO. WE OFFER DESIGN SERVICES. I THINK THERE'S A CONFUSION HERE.

CONFLATION OF YOUR WORTH TO THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT I'M SAYING. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS INITIALLY THAT THE RATE AND THE 70 K WAS TO GET THINGS GOING WAS TO GET THINGS STARTED THAT AND NOW IT SEEMS LIKE THE ARGUMENT IS MAIN STREET VALUABLE TO THE COMMUNITY? AND I KNOW YOU ARE EVERY MAIN STREET PROGRAM ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND I'D BE HAPPY THAT YOU SHOULD JOIN ME ON MY NEXT CONVENTION. IT'S ONLY A TWO. YOU AGREE WITH THAT, OR NO. ARE YOU ARE WE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT? THAT THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL BEFORE ME. THAT THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ATTEMPT INTENT THAT I NEGOTIATED WITH THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT OF THE OF THE BOARD, AND IT WAS,

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TOO. AT THAT TIME THE CITY HAD THE EMPLOYEE. IT WAS OUR EMPLOYEE THAT WAS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, UM, THAT EMPLOYEE, UM RESIGNED, AND AS A RESULT, I WANTED TO GET THAT FTE FULL TIME EMPLOYEE POSITION OFF OF OUR BOOKS. AND WE AGREED TO THANK YOU AGREED TO FUND UM, FOR THREE YEAR TERM THIS $70,000 SERVICE AGREEMENT AND ALSO AT THE TIME TRY TO GIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR REVENUE ENHANCEMENT TO MAIN STREET, WHICH IS WHY WE ENTERED INTO THE LEASE AND WHICH IS WHY WE ENTERED INTO THE MARKET ON MAIN. AND IT HAS NOT. DEPRECIATED AT ALL. YET. I HAVE HAD TALKS WITH THE CURRENT, UM PRESIDENT ABOUT A DEPRECIATION, WHETHER THAT'S 50,000 OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE TO TRY TO LOWER THAT SERVICE AGREEMENT. OBLIGATION FROM US. I KNOW CANVASES STANCE. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR REVENUE AND TO KEEP THE ORGANIZATION ALIVE. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE COST OF WHAT IT COSTS TO DO ROCK AND RIVER WALK. UM BUT WE WERE DOING ROCK AND RIVERWALK PRIOR WHEN IT WAS OUR OWN STAFF MEMBER, AND WE WEREN'T GIVEN THE 70,000 AS WELL, UM, IT IT ALL OF THAT THAT THEY DO, AND ALL OF IT THAT GOES ON IS VIABLE TO DOWNTOWN. OF COURSE, PRIOR PRIOR TO THE WALKING RIVERWALK, IT WAS A GHOST TOWN IN DOWNTOWN . ALL THE STORES WERE CLOSED, SO IT'S DEFINITELY IMPROVED. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PUT A DOLLAR FIGURE ON THAT. BUT THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS TO WEAN OFF AS WE PROVIDED OPPORTUNITIES FOR REVENUE GROWTH, I HOPE IS IF WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THIS, WHICH IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S SORT OF THE CONSENSUS HERE THAT WE REALLY REALLY SERIOUSLY LOOK AT COMING OFF OF THAT 70 K SO IT CAN BE MORE ABOUT AUTONOMOUS INSTEAD OF RIGHT. IF I MAY. MIKE MCCARTNEY, ALSO THE STUART MAIN STREET. ON THE DESIGN COMMITTEE CHAIR. UM, LAND PLANNER HERE IN TOWN, AS YOU ALL KNOW. UM, BEEN INVOLVED WITH MAIN STREET FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW. THERE'S COUNTLESS. VOLUNTEERS AND THE COMMUNITY LIKE MYSELF, SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, WE SPEND A TON OF TIME HUNDREDS OF HOURS THOUSANDS OF HOURS AMONGST ALL OF US TO TRY TO GIVE BACK TO THE CITY. RIGHT. AND, YES, WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HELP BRING UM. PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE FLAGLER CENTER RIGHT FOR EVENTS, UM, AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE. IF YOU TAKE THAT INTO, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE IF YOU SHIFT THAT INTO A PRIVATE SECTOR MODEL AND YOU LEASE OUT THAT BUILDING. I MEAN IT BECOME AN OFFICE BUILDING, AND THERE'S NO PUBLIC ACCESS IN THE IN THE PUBLIC BENEFIT DIMINISHES. CORRECT? YES. WHAT WHAT MAINSTREAM HAS DONE IS WE HAVE TAKEN ON MORE AND MORE. OVER THE YEARS AS DELIVERABLES TO THE CITY AND THAT IS THAT REQUIRES MORE OF OUR VOLUNTEERS THAT REQUIRED US TO HIRE A DIRECTOR. AS YOU INDICATED. WE'VE TAKEN UH , THAT INITIATIVE. WE'VE ALSO TAKEN ON THE GREEN MARKET THAT WAS ASKED OF US TO PURSUE THAT, AND SO BUT ULTIMATELY WE'RE NOT PROFITING. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE HA HA HA. WE'RE MAKING MONEY.

THIS ISN'T THIS IS A NON FOR PROFIT WHAT WE MAKE AND WHAT THE BENEFITS WE PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY GOES RIGHT BACK INTO THE CITY INTO THEIR DOWNTOWN. INTO PROVIDING EVENTS. UM LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR YOUTH FOR ALL OF OUR CITIZENS TO COME AND UTILIZE THE DOWNTOWN PARK PROMOTE OUR DOWNTOWN JUST SOME NOTEWORTHY ITEMS AS DESIGN COMMITTEE CHAIR WERE INSTRUMENTAL, UM IN THE SEMINAL STREET REDESIGN. WE WORKED WITH THE SIERRA AND NOW WE PROVIDED SOME SOME DESIGN. UM CRITIQUING ON THAT, UM, THE GREEN BICYCLE RACK THAT YOU SEE IN DOWNTOWN. I DONATED THAT TO THE CITY DESIGN THROUGH MAIN STREET, SO THERE'S LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS THAT MAIN STREET DOES. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE A BUSINESSMAN. YOU OWN YOUR OWN PRACTICE, AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT OF DOLLARS AND CENTS REVENUES I UNDERSTAND THAT PERSPECTIVE, HOWEVER, THERE'S A LARGER BENEFIT HERE. AND HOW DO YOU PUT A PRICE TAG ON SOME OF THAT SOME OF ITS PRICELESS. ANYWAYS, WE HAD THESE MULTIPLE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE. YES, AND THEY HAVE COME ON AS MAIN STREET HAS EVOLVED, AND THE CITY HAS ASKED MORE OF US, WHICH WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO TRY TO EXPAND OUR FOOTPRINT IN OUR OUTREACH IN DOWNTOWN, RIGHT, SO, COMMISSIONER COLLINS COULD I JUST CORRECT STATEMENT YOU SAID YOU WERE ASKED TO TAKE ON THE GREEN MARKET. WELL, NO, ACTUALLY. ENGAGED IN AN RFP,

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RIGHT AND ONE THAT WE, AS A BOARD DECIDED THAT YOU CHOSE TO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL. THAT'S CORRECT. WE DID NOT. YOU'RE NOT ASKED. AND IF YOU PLEASE BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR OKAY.

COMMISSIONER COLLEGE, THE CITY GET ANY SORT OF NO, WE GET A CUT OF THE GREENMARKET. DO WE GET A CUT OF LIKE EVENTS THAT ARE HOSTED AT FLAGLER CENTER? NO, NOT TOO FLAT LEAF, RIGHT? OKAY.

I THINK WHAT WOULD HELP ME FLAT LEASE RATE, JUST THE MONTHLY RELEASE RATE. I THINK THAT WOULD HELP ME IS DO YOU GUYS HAVE A FORM 9 90 FOR 21. YOUR TREASURER COULD SEND HAVE. TO IT'S PUBLIC . IT'S PUBLIC RECORD. COULD YOU GUYS SEND YOU SUBMITTED AT THE END OF THE YEAR TO COMPLY WITH THE LICENSING? COULD YOU SEND A COPY OF THAT? I HAVE IT. I'LL GET IT TO YOU. THANK YOU. UM DO WE HAVE A MOTION OR YOU WOULD JUST GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. COULD I ASK SOME QUESTIONS THROUGH HIM? YOU HAVEN'T ASKED SO DO DO WE RECEIVE A PIANO FROM THEM? EVERY YEAR, MR DAVIS. YEAH WHAT WAS THE MONTH? I JUST BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT. YES AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE HAVE, UM , FOR LET'S BE CLEAR ON THE SERVICE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH STUART MAIN STREET. ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU JUST ASKED FOR IS ALL COMPILED INTO ONE REPORT. I'VE GOTTEN THAT BY THE END, IT NEEDS TO BE BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. AND THEN I TAKE THAT INFORMATION SUBMITTED TO THE CITY MANAGER, SO WE DO HAVE THAT ON RECORD. THE FORM 9 90 IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU WANT THAT SOMEONE RAN A 51 C THREE FOR 30 YEARS. WILL HELP YOU WANT THE PIANO AND CERTAINLY IF WE'RE GIVING THESE PEOPLE THIS MONEY, WE WANT TO SEE THE P AND L. I KNOW. THE ONLY TIME I'VE SEEN THEIR FIGURES CAME FROM SOMEONE WHO JUST HAPPENS TO LIVE IN THE CITY. AND. COMMISSIONER COLLEGE . I APPRECIATE YOU. YOU'RE STRUGGLING WITH THIS. AND THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU AND I, AS NEW COMMISSIONERS SHOULD BE ASKING. AND WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR THE MONEY AND WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THIS ORGANIZATION? BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF OUR BIGGER COMMITMENTS. UM AND. MAYOR MCDONALD. I THOUGHT YOU HAD A VERY GOOD IDEA THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO BUNDLE IT ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS AT ONE TIME CAN ADDRESS THAT REALLY QUICK. I DON'T KNOW THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, BECAUSE THESE ARE SEPARATE PIECES OF PROPERTY IS AN ACTUAL PHYSICAL LEGAL LEASE. THE OTHER TWO ARE LICENSE AGREEMENTS FOR SEPARATE PARCELS AND SEPARATE TYPES OF EVENTS. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SERVICES.

IT IS DIFFICULT, DIFFICULT TO GET YOUR HANDS ON A LAND AT THE SAME TIME SO WE CAN DISCUSS AND WE ARE DOING THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THEM ALL LINE UP. WE WOULD LOVE I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE THEM ALL INTO ONE AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT'S ADMINISTRATIVELY VERY TAXING TO KEEP TRACK OF FOUR PLATES NEAR SPINNING IN DIFFERENT SO, COMMISSIONER COUNT MAKES A VERY GOOD POINT. ARE WE MAXIMIZING THE BENEFIT TO THE CITY? I'D LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO SOME LANGUAGE ADDED TO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NINE OR 10 ADOPTION OF FISCAL POLICY. AND IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING PROCEDURES SHOULD BE USED DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF THE PURCHASE. THIS IS ON PAGE 75 OF 672. HE ESTIMATED VALUE OF THE PURCHASE DETERMINES WHAT STEPS MUST BE COMPLETED BEFORE PURCHASE AUTHORIZATION CAN BE ISSUED FOR THE REQUEST. IF THE PURCHASE PRICE OF COMMODITIES OR CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. AND I'M GOING TO CLASSIFY THESE AS CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. EXCEEDS THE THRESHOLD AMOUNT. PROVIDED IN SECTION 284. OF 35,000. PURCHASE OF COMMODITIES.

CONTRACTUAL SERVICES MAY NOT BE MADE WITHOUT RECEIVING COMPETITIVE SEALED BITS.

COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSALS OR COMPETITIVE SEALED, REPLIES. I WHY DOESN'T THAT APPLY HERE? WHY DON'T WE ASK? THIS FIVE OH ONE C THREE, WHICH HAS HAD SOME SERIOUS CHANGES AND WHO'S INVOLVED IN WHO RUNS IT RECENTLY. WHY JUST LIKE THE GREENMARKET? THAT'S WHY I CORRECTED GENTLEMAN. WHY DON'T WE ASK THEM FOR AN RFP? AND NOW WOULD WHY DON'T WE ASK OR PUT OUT AN RFP TO LEASE THE FLAGLER CENTER. WE DID. THAT WAS THE ENVIRONMENT. WE DID FOR THIS.

THE ORIGINAL RFP. WAS PUT OUT AND THE ISLAND PARTY PRODUCTIONS. REYNOLDS WAS THE ONE THAT ADOPTED IT. AND THEN THIS PROCEDURE WAS A TRANSITION BECAUSE UNDER THE STATE STATUTE AS WELL, SPEAK INTO YOUR MICROPHONE UNDER STATE LAW, AS WELL AS THE MUNICIPALITIES HAVE THE RIGHT TO ENTER INTO DIRECT LEASE AGREEMENTS WITHOUT OUR FPS AND THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME

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USED THE VALUE SET FORTH IN THE RFP. AND THE DESIRE TO I GUESS KIND OF BUNDLE AS YOUR OLD IS THAT R P WAS THAT 18 17. OKAY SIX YEARS AGO. YEAH. WHAT I'M TRYING TO THINK BEFORE THAT WAS, MAYBE IT WAS 62 TERMS. OKAY SO SIX YEARS OLD, LET'S WRITE. IT COULD BE DONE AGAIN. OBVIOUSLY I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE TO ASK THIS ORGANIZATION. THAT WE HAVE SUCH A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH AND WE PROVIDE FUNDING. FOR VALUE. TWO. YOU KNOW, I SUBMIT TO THE RFP PRICES PROCESS JUST LIKE THEY DID BEFORE, AND JUST LIKE THEY DID FOR THE GREEN MARKET. IT SATISFIES COMMISSIONER COLLINS CONCERNS AND IT'S YOU KNOW, THE CITIZENS OF THE STEWARD CAN SAY, WELL, THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN FOR THE FLAG GO CENTER FOR DOWNTOWN AND FOR THE TAXPAYERS. SO TO THE MOTION. I JUST WANTED TO ADD AND CORRECT THAT FOR THE RECORD THAT THAT WAS DONE IN 14 2008 YEARS AGO, WELL, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN I RECALLED EVEN MORE REASON. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROCUREMENT POLICY AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LEASE IS REALLY IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M SAYING THAT THAT THRESHOLD I UNDERSTAND. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. ANYTHING WRONG. WHY WHY ARE WE SAYING OH, WELL, NOT IN THIS INSTANCE AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. THE OTHER THING IS WHEN THE RFP DID GO OUT IN 2014. IT WAS AN OPEN RFP. SO ONE PERSON BID ON IT TO BE AN ART STUDIO ISLAND PARTY. REYNOLDS BID ON IT TO KIND OF DO KIND OF WHAT THE STUART MAIN STREET EVENTS ARE GOING TO DO. SO IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO GO TO RFP, YOU WOULD IF YOU WANTED IT , YOU NEED TO AGENDA ITEM TO DESCRIBE WHAT YOU WANT TO BE.

COULD IT BE TOTAL PRIVATE USE COULD BE. COULD SOMEONE OPEN UP OFFICE THERE? YOU KNOW WHAT, EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE MAINTAINING OUR CITY DAYS IS IMPORTANT. OKAY THEN WE'RE FINE. I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT THAT WAS THE RP WITH SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT. I'M SORRY. I'M JUST YOU KNOW, I GET THAT THIS HAS BEEN. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS OVER THE YEARS AND WE CAN WE COURSE WE CAN GO TO OUR P, THEN WE MIGHT AS WELL GO TO R P FOR THE FEED STORE AND EVERY OTHER NOT FOR PROFIT THAT WE SUPPORT AND, UH I MEAN, I I'M JUST KIND OF SHOCKED BY THIS, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I'LL TELL YOU WHAT? I'M GONNA GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE I'VE GOT THE PUBLIC RARIN TO GO. UM GO WITH ANDY MCMILLAN. AND I DON'T HAVE A GREEN CARD FOR YOU. BUT I'M GONNA LET YOU GO FIRST, BECAUSE YOU'RE STANDING AT THE PODIUM. YOU DON'T TRY. I THINK I HAVE YOUR PERSONAL PERMISSION TO BE HERE AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE I CAN'T LET THIS GO BY WITH WITHOUT COMMENTING THAT ORIGINALLY IT WAS THE CITY OF STEWART THAT WENT TO THE MERCHANTS DOWNTOWN IN 1983. I WAS A PART OF THAT, AND I'VE KNOWN EVERY SINGLE MAIN STREET MANAGER AND YOU'VE GOT ONE OF THE VERY BEST. RIGHT HERE. SHE'S DOING A MARVELOUS JOB FOR YOU.

THE MARRIAGE BETWEEN THE CITY AND STEWART. MAIN STREET IS LEGENDARY. I AM NOT BUT THE PROGRAM IS LEGENDARY, AND THIS CITY SHOULD HOLD ITS HEAD HIGH THAT YOU HAVE ALWAYS REMAINED A PARTNER TO THIS WONDERFUL PROGRAM THAT BRINGS SO MUCH TO THIS COMMUNITY AND TO THE CITIZENS AND THAT'S WHAT I HAD TO SAY. SO THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO SUPPORT OUR STEWART MAIN STREET. THANK YOU AND ANNIE, COULD YOU FILL OUT A GREEN CARD FOR US? A GREEN CARD . PUBLIC RECORDS CHEATS. OKAY I WILL. THANK YOU GET SOMETHING. SO THE NEXT THE NEXT PERSON IS THERE SOME MARK, HOLD ON FOR A SECOND LITTLE GREEN CARD HERE. OKAY OKAY. KATIE CRUISE. HI THERE. UM I RUN THE OAKS, WHICH IS A RELATIVELY NEW SCHOOL IN TOWN. I HAVE SPOKEN TO A COUPLE OF YOU ABOUT IT. UM I WE ARE BECOMING ESTABLISHED. WE HAVE A SPACE IN DOWNTOWN STUART. AND IT'S BEEN WONDERFUL. WE'RE DOING REALLY WELL AND WE LOVE IT THERE, BUT WE ARE GROWING, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE SPACE. SO I ORIGINALLY CAME HERE TO SAY, HEY, CAN YOU OPEN IT UP FOR THE FLAGLER CENTER FOR? OTHER PROPOSALS JUST TO SEE WHAT THE HIGHEST INVEST USES. I HAVE TO SAY THAT THEY DO A FANTASTIC JOB AS A FELLOW NONPROFIT. I TOTALLY FEEL FOR THEM. SO REALLY, MY MESSAGE TO YOU GUYS IS JUST PLEASE DO CAN CONTINUE TO CONSIDER NOT JUST THE MARKET RATE. I THINK YOU SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER WHAT'S BEING DONE IN THAT SPACE. SO MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE COULD ALL THOSE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT THEY DO BE DONE. FROM ANOTHER SPACE. I DON'T KNOW, REGARDLESS OF PLEASE CONSIDER TO CONTINUE TO CONSIDER THE NONPROFITS, SCHOOLS ALL THE THINGS THAT DO MAKE STEWART SUCH A SPECIAL PLACE AS YOU DO, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST FLAGLER CENTER,

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BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, LAND, LAND PLANNING AND ZONING AND ALL THAT YOU GUYS DO SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO FLOURISH AND TO GROW BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE REALLY CAN'T COMPETE WITH THE BIG DOLLARS THAT ARE COMING IN AND COULD OTHERWISE BY THAT SPACE OR THAT SPACE, SO THANK YOU. SHERRY WHITE. SHERIFF. IN THE PAST. OKAY. TOM WELLINGTON. I FIGURED YOU'D BE ON THE NEXT ITEM. I HOPE I WILL BE MR MAYOR COMMISSIONER'S STAFF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AS PART OF ANOTHER SMALL, NONPROFIT MARINE INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION, THE TREASURE COAST . I WANT TO JUST SAY THAT I APPRECIATE CITIES OF SUPPORT OF NONPROFITS AS YOU SUPPORT OUR ASSOCIATION. THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ABOUT I'VE HAD WITH THE FLAGGERS CENTER. MAYBE THEY BELONG TO MY WIFE IS RIGHT THERE NOW AT THE JOY TO THE GIRLS FOR TYKES AND TEENS, THEIR LARGEST FUNDRAISER OF THE YEAR. THE REASON I'M STANDING UP HERE IS I WALKED AROUND THE FLAGLER YESTERDAY. AND I SAID WHAT? WHAT HAPPENED? IT'S DIFFERENT FOLKS. I DON'T KNOW WHO DID IT. I. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A CITY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS STUART MAIN STREET. IT'S DIFFERENT, AND I WENT UP TO THE PERSON THERE YESTERDAY AND SAID TO THEM I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. AND THIS IS A GREAT HOME, PROBABLY THE ONLY HOME FOR TYKES AND TEENS FOR WHAT THEY DO.

REALLY? IT PROBABLY IS. UM THE ONLY VENUE THAT WOULD WORK FOR THEM AND THEY WERE REALLY WORRIED A FEW YEARS AGO ABOUT COMING BACK, SO I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT STEWART MAIN STREET IS ST IS DOING AND I HOPE WE WILL KEEP KEEP SUPPORTING THEM. THANK YOU . THANK YOU, MARK BREAKFAST. I DON'T HAVE YOUR CARD YET, BUT I'M MARK DIDN'T CAN YOU ANSWER A QUESTION FOR ME? DIDN'T DIDN'T YOU GUYS GET A DONOR TO PUT IN ALL THOSE WINDOWS? WE DID? YES.

SO. MARK BRETT BILL TWO. OH, EIGHT, SOUTHEAST AS YOU ALL THE STREET, STUART, FLORIDA AND PAST PRESIDENT OF A GREAT ORGANIZATION. STUART MAIN STREET, BUT I THINK THAT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS WE'RE LOSING TRACK OF HOW THE FUNDING IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. WE'RE CHALLENGING ON FAIR MARKET VALUE LEASES AND SERVICE AGREEMENTS. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND MAIN STREETS ARE ALL OVER THE NATION. THEY'RE ALL OVER FLORIDA. OUR OWN. JOAN JEFFERSON WAS HEAD OF THAT WHOLE THING FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE AROUND THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

MAIN STREETS AREN'T EXPECTED TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES. IT'S A ONE THIRD, ONE THIRD ONE THIRD BASIS. THE CITY PROVIDES A THIRD THE ORGANIZATION PROVIDES A THIRD TYPICALLY IN MEMBERSHIP OR SPONSORSHIPS. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER THIRD THAT'S TYPICALLY PROVIDED AN EVENTS, UM OR ACTIVITIES THAT THEY'RE RAISING, AND THAT'S BEEN THE CASE HISTORICALLY. AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT THE ONLY TIME THAT WASN'T THE CASE WAS WHEN THE TAX RETURN WAS PREPARED INCORRECTLY. BY THE WAY , I DIDN'T DO IT AND THE PERSON LEFT OFF THE IN KIND CONTRIBUTION OF THE CITY. AND SO THE CITY WASN'T GIVEN CREDIT FOR AN IN KIND CONTRIBUTE. LUCIAN OF ROUGHLY AROUND $70,000. BUT THE ORGANIZATION IS NOT SUPPOSED TO FUND ITSELF. BUT FOR SOME REASON , RATHER WE'VE KIND OF GOT THIS PHILOSOPHY, AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IS IT'S COST YOU AS A CITY A LOT. BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU'RE NOW DEALING WITH THE FIRST ITEM THAT WAS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.

YOU'RE ALL SURPRISED BY THE CITY BY THE COMMUNITY'S REACTION. WHY? BECAUSE THIS STUFF IS NOT BEING VETTED, AND THAT'S MAIN STREETS. JOB MAIN STREETS. PRIMARY JOB IS TO TAKE ALL THE SLINGS AND ARROWS THAT YOU GUYS DON'T NEED TO TAKE THEIR TO STAND OUT THERE AND DO THE THREATS AND TO DO THE INFORMATION AND TO GATHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK. AND THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE SPENDING ALL THEIR TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SURVIVE BY RUNNING A FLAGLER CENTER AND BY RUNNING A SERVICE AGREEMENT ON AND BY THE WAY THEY LOSE ABOUT $50,000 A YEAR ON WALKING ON ROCK AND RIVERWALK. YES IT DID EXIST BEFORE AS A WEEKEND ONLY FUNCTION. IT WAS NOT AND NOT DURING THE SUMMER. WHEN YOU STARTED DOING THAT PROGRAM DURING THE SUMMER, AND YOU RUN IT EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY AND IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE TO DOWNTOWN. BUT THE POINT IS, YOU GOTTA LOOK AT FUNDING. THE CITY'S GOT SOME RESPONSIBILITY ON MAIN STREETS, NOT JUST OUR MAIN STREET. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS . SO YOU KNOW WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON ARE WE MAKING A PROFIT, OR ARE WE MAKING WHAT? THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE THING? MAIN STREET SHOULD BE FUNDED.

THAT'S THE PROCESS AND THEY SHOULD GET INFORMATION FOR YOU AND BRING IT BACK AND BE THE LIAISON WITH THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S THEIR JOB. THEY'VE DONE IT FOR YEARS, AND THAT'S THEIR

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JOB. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENT ON THIS ITEM WOULD LIKE TO SAY. MR BROODER? YES. IT'S BEEN ABOUT A LITTLE OVER A YEAR . I BELIEVE THAT THAT CANDICE HAS TAKEN OVER THE FARMER'S MARKET. AND WE HAD SOME PROBLEMS THERE. AND I KNOW AND THEN WE YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO GO THROUGH, UM COVID AND ALL THAT. AND TRYING TO GET OFF THE GROUND WITH THAT. AND THEN AS I'M SETTING, YOU LISTEN TO EVERYONE. WE HIRED SOMEONE UNEMPLOYED E. THAT DID ALL THIS EVEN MORE. SO DO WE WANT TO? UM. WRITE IT UP IS THAT'S WHAT WE DO FOR THE CITY OF STUART. THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO MAKE US THE GREATEST LITTLE CITY AND THE PEOPLE. MISSING OVER THERE THAT CAME BEFORE US THAT A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE. SO UM AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU COMING FROM ? BECAUSE I DID THE SAME THING WITH THE MARKET. IT'S LIKE THIS GUY'S GOT TO GO. UM SO WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT GOOD PEOPLE RUNNING IT. UM AND I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE AND DO IT A YEAR BY YEAR OR WHATEVER IT TAKES. BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN YOU THINK OF THAT, $70,000 YOU THINK? WOW.

BUT AND THEN WE SIT UP HERE AND LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE AND HOW IT'S ALL COME ABOUT AND HOW IT'S ALL UM MORE IS COMING ABOUT AND TO DO OUR BEST TO MAKE THE TOWN OR LITTLE CITY A GREAT CITY. I'M TOLD TO SAY LITTLE WERE A GREAT CITY. AND THAT'S THE TRUTH. WE'RE GROWING. AND WE ARE STILL A GREAT CITY IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THAT, SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO UM , KEEP CANDACE THERE, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA COST US. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU HAVE A MOTION. OH, YEAH. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? NO, WE DON'T. OKAY. EMOTIONAL APPROVAL, MAN. YES YOUR QUESTION. YES. YES. YOU WANTED TO DO IT YEAR BY YEAR. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE, OR IS THIS TIME. IT'S FOR THREE YEARS. OKAY THREE YEARS. I APOLOGIZE. IT WAS FOR ONE YEAR, UM, MOVE FOR APPROVAL FOR ONE YEAR. SECOND OKAY, SO WE HAVE AN EMOTION IN A SECOND FOR ONE YEAR. UM, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT. SPECIFIC ISSUES. POLICE TO THE LEAST THE FLAG PLACE THE WAY THAT FOR THE RECORD MARKED BILL THE WAY THAT MAIN STREET IS USING THAT AND THE WAY THAT ANYBODY IS GOING TO USE THAT AS THEIR BOOKING THAT FOR EVENTS WEDDINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT MANY OF THOSE EVENTS ARE GOING TO BE LONGER THAN A YEAR.

SO WHAT YOU'RE BASICALLY DOING IS PUTTING THEM ON A SHORT TERM CONTRACT, WHICH MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO CONTINUE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BOOK THOSE THOSE LONG TERM WEDDINGS AND EVENTS THAT NEED TO BE BOOKED FOR MAKING THAT COMMENT, AND I WILL WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE MENTION OF SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO RELOOK AT THE AGREEMENT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S STRUCTURED AS A THREE YEAR AGREEMENT, AND WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO RENEW THAT ONE ADDITIONAL TIME. SO I WILL GO BACK TO MY THREE TO THE THREE YEARS. OKAY, SO YOU'RE MODIFYING YOUR MOTION TO THREE YEARS. COMMISSIONER COLLINS THE SECOND YOU MODIFY YOUR SECOND I DON'T WANT TO SECOND OKAY, SO YOU WITHDRAW YOUR SECOND. COMMISSIONER RICH WOULD YOU LIKE THE SECOND STEP? I DON'T WANT TO DO IT WITHOUT AN RFP. OKAY SO THE ANSWER IS NO, ACTUALLY.

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE WOULD BE JUST LOOKING FOR A SECOND. WE DON'T NEED TO PULL FOR A SECOND.

OKAY SO WITHOUT ANOTHER SECOND, WHO WOULD I PASS THE GAVEL TO THE SECOND MOTION COMMISSIONER BRUNER. MOST SENIOR PERSON ON THE BOARD PASSED THE GAVEL OF COMMISSIONER BRUNER TO SECOND THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR RENEWAL OF A THREE YEAR LEASE. WE HAVE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT.

UM, ROLE PROBABLY. YES, SIR. ONE MORE. I REALLY THINK IN THIS CASE THIS ORGANIZATION NEEDS TO BE GIVEN THE CONFIDENCE THE SUPPORT FROM THE CITY THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THEY RECOGNIZE AND THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO IT. FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS, THE EFFORT THAT THEY'VE GOT TO PUT IN TO JUST GIVE THEM ONE YEAR TO DO IT. I DON'T THINK IS GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU CAN HELP. SORRY IF YOU'RE RUNNING THE MEETING RIGHT NOW, FOR THIS ITEM, JUST FILL OUT A GREEN CARD. MCBRIDE PERMANENT, WENT TO THE FIRST MEETING WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED STEWART MAIN STREET AND I AGREE WITH THE JUMP OF ONE YEAR CONTRACT, EVEN MYSELF WITH THAT IF YOU'RE IN BUSINESS, THREE YEAR CONTRACT YOU KNOW? HAS, HE SAID. SEE MY

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WEDDING. THAT MAY GET MARRIED. IT'S GOING YEAR, BUT ANYONE KNOWS PLANNING WEDDING YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A RESERVATION A YEAR YEAR AND A HALF AHEAD. SO REALLY, IT SHOULD BE. AND SUCH A GREAT ORGANIZATION AND YOU KNOW I DIDN'T BALANCE HERE AGAIN. THERE MAKE THE DAN AND THING IT IS IT'S A BENEFIT TO THE CITY. BECAUSE, REMEMBER LIKE SOME OF US WE WERE HERE WHEN THIS WAS A GHOST TOWN. AND IF IT WASN'T FOR STEWART MAIN STREET, REALLY, BUT LIKE BACK IN DOWNTOWN, AND HE SAID IT AND SUNDAY I KNOW I JUST TOOK HIM DOWN. BUT NOW IT'S TOO CROWDED. WELL, I CAME DOWN THIS SUMMER TIME NOW AT THE WINTER IS COMING. IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION. BUT THE MAIN THING IS, IT BRINGS US TOGETHER. ALL OF US WHO WENT LAST YEAR. WELL I GO EVERY YEAR FOR THE LIGHTING OF THE TREE. YOU GOTTA COME EARLIER BECAUSE THE PLACE IS JAM PACKED. BUT HIS FAMILY WE WATCH THESE YOUNG CHILDREN. I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY YOUNG CHILDREN AND STEWART AND LIKE I SAID, I THOUGHT WHEN I GET WE CAME HERE AND 73 NO, VERY FEW KIDS AROUND , BUT NOW IT'S WONDERFUL. AND I JUST I WISH AND HOPE THAT THE FIRM VISUALS CAN BEHIND SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS ALL THE PRESIDENT'S. NO MATTER IF YOU'RE RICH, POOR THAT IT BENEFITS US ALL. THANK YOU. ARE WE IN THE MIDDLE OF EMOTION? I'M A LITTLE BIT RIGHT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING UP A NEW EMOTION. WE HAVE TWO THERE IS A MOTION PENDING. SO YOU GUYS ARE IN DELIBERATION OF THE MOTION PENDING, BUT YOU CAN OFFER. UH ADVICE SANDER. REQUEST THAT THE MOTION OR AMEND THE MOTION. IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE ADDED TO IT. HE MADE MOTION. I MADE THE MOTION. HE'S SECOND IT AND I'M GETTING READY TO DO. ROLL CALL. ASK ONE QUESTION CLARIFYING. COMMISSIONER BRUNER IS THE LEASE UP. THEY IN TURN DAY I JUST HAD IT UP. THE LEASE. IT'S A JANUARY OR IS IT HERE'S JANUARY ONE. YES JANUARY ONE AND JUST FOR CLARITY , JUST SO YOU KNOW HOW THAT ALL ROLLED ON JUNE. 2019 THE CONTRACT WAS SIGNED IN JANUARY. 2020 THE LEAST STARTED BECAUSE THEY NEEDED TIME TO BEING ABLE TO GET IN THERE ON JULY 2020. UM RENT WAS SUPPOSED TO START WE WERE IN OUR COVID YEARS AND THEN OCTOBER 2020 RENT ACTUALLY STARTED. SO TO CONFUSE YOU MORE THAT WE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU NOW TO CLOSE OUT THIS PARTICULAR YEAR TO START THINGS OFF FRESH. YES, THIS CALENDAR YEAR. JANUARY AND THIS WOMAN CANDACE WAS NOT. SHE DID NOT SIGN THAT SHE WAS NOT. NO SHE'S NOT CLARIFICATION . THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO EXERCISE THE OPTION UNDER THIS LEASE TO EXTEND IT FOR ANOTHER THREE YEAR PERIOD STARTING JANUARY. 1ST CORRECT, OKAY, JUST 23. YES. YES COMMISSIONER, UH, MIKE OR DAVE IN THIS THREE YEAR? COHEN'S, I GUESS, UH, NO, NEVER MIND. I KNOW MY QUESTION. NEVER MIND. I KNOW THE ANSWER, SO NO NEED TO ANSWER. ASK IT. I JUST LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO RFP TO GET CLOSER TO MARKET RATE. I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S UM WE'RE JUST FREEZING THAT BY NO, THAT'S NOT A PART OF THIS MOTION. CAN MADAM OR, UM MR COLLINS. SO SHOULD WE SEND THE FEED STORE THAT PAYS A DOLLAR A YEAR UP FOR OUR FEET. FEED STORE IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

NO, BUT IT'S THE SAME THING. THAT'S ENOUGH FOR PROFIT. IT PROVIDES SUPPORT TO THE CITY. SH COMMISSIONER BRUNER TO CALL ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND, IF NONE TO ASK FOR ROLL CALL ANYMORE PUBLIC COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL. WAIT A MINUTE. OH YES. ONE MORE.

JUST KEEP ASKING. SOMEBODY'S GONNA COME UP. MY NAME IS BOB MASSEY AND I'VE TRAVELED AROUND THIS STATE WITH ANY MAC. TO UH TO THESE CITIES THAT HAVE DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB, AND SHE'S POINTED OUT. THIS IS WHAT MAIN STREET DID FOR THIS CITY. THIS IS WHAT MAIN STREET DID FOR THAT CITY. WHAT MAIN STREET HAS DONE FOR STEWART IS UNBELIEVABLE, AND YOU CAN COMPARE IT TO ANY ANY TOWN. YOU WANT TO GO TO. STEWART'S KNOCKED THE SOCKS OFF OF EVERYBODY, AND FOR YOU PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT CUTTING THEIR LEGS OFF ON A ONE YEAR DEAL IS VERY UNFAIR. VERY UNFAIR. YOUR IDEA WAS ONE YEAR. ARE WE UP NOW? ARE WE VOTING ON THREE YEARS? I'M SORRY. I MISSED THAT . I DON'T HEAR TOO WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, OKAY? ALRIGHT, LET'S LET'S LET'S HAVE A VOTE.

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ROLL CALL INS. NO. COMMISSIONER BRUNER. YES MCDONALD. YES, RICH. YES. THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE MY GAVEL BACK? LISTEN TO STICK LOOKING TO BANG SOMETHING. OKAY, SO THE MOTION CARRIES THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING MAIN STREET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SHERRY. OKAY LET'S GO TO THE

[16. STUART BOAT SHOW ROAD CLOSURE (RC): RESOLUTION No. 112-2022: A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPROVING A ROAD CLOSURE FOR THE 49™ ANNUAL STUART BOAT SHOW FROM TUESDAY, JANUARY 10TH 5:00 AM THOUGH MONDAY, JANUARY 16™AT 5:00 PM 2023, ALONG NW DIXIE HIGHWAY (FORMERLY SR 707) FROM ALBANY AVENUE SOUTH OF THE OLD ROOSEVELT BRIDGE TO FERN STREET AT THE FEC RR CROSSING, NORTH OF THE ST. LUCIE RIVER DRAW BRIDGE, SUBJECT TO FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION APPROVAL: PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

BOAT SHOW ROAD CLOSURE MIC. WOULD YOU READ THE RESOLUTION? THIS IS RESOLUTION 112-20 TO A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPROVING A ROAD CLOSURE FOR THE 49TH ANNUAL STEWART BOAT SHOW FROM TUESDAY, JANUARY 10TH AT FIVE A.M.

THROUGH MONDAY, JANUARY 16TH. AT FIVE P.M. 2023 ALONG NORTHWEST DIXIE HIGHWAY, WHICH IS FORMERLY STATE ROAD 707, FROM ALBANY AVENUE SOUTH TO THE OLD ROOSEVELT BRIDGE TO FERN STREET AT THE F. E C RAILROAD CROSSING NORTH OF THE ST LUCIE RIVER DRAWBRIDGE SUBJECT TO FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION APPROVAL, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. IF YOU THINK THAT LAST ITEM WAS LONG, LET'S GET INTO THIS ONE. NO ACTUALLY, THE REASON THIS IS UN COMMISSIONED ACTION IS BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY, UH , COMMISSIONERS HAD RECEIVED COMPLAINTS ABOUT TRAFFIC DUE TO THE CLOSURE OF OUR ONLY OUR SECOND OF THE TWO NORTH SOUTH THOROUGHFARES THAT WE HAVE LAST YEAR. THE BOAT SHOW. UM HIRE THE SERVICES OF A TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND DID SOME DIFFERENT THINGS WITH THE TRAFFIC MODIFICATION, THEN HIRED EXTRA POLICE OFFICERS TO WORK RED LIGHTS. I DIDN'T GET ANY COMPLAINTS THAT I KNOW OF LAST YEAR ABOUT TRAFFIC RELATED ISSUES, COMPLAINED YEAR YEAH, VERY SMOOTHLY. SO THIS IS A REQUEST THAT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SEND THIS TO THE STATE FOR AUTHORIZATION TO CLOSE THE ROAD TO HAVE ANNUAL BOAT SHOW. MOTION TO APPROVE IF I COULD, IF I COULD JUST ALSO MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT. IF WHEN YOU GET TO DO IT, I KNOW BUT IF THEY COULD MOVE THE SIGN CLOSER TO SELFISH CIRCLE BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE START TO TURN DOWN TO GO ON THAT ROAD AND THEN HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND COME BACK UP LIKE YOU CAN TALK TO THEM NOW BY THE TIME ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL BECAUSE THAT CAUSES THE TRAFFIC TO DO, LIKE THREE POINT TURNS TO TURN BACK TO MAKE THAT A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL. MIKE SAID. OKAY, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND OKAY. COMMISSIONER BRUNER . WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLLINS, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRUNER. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? TOM TOM, SAY SOMETHING. MR MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS TOM WHITTINGTON. SOMEHOW I AM PRESIDENT OF THE MARINE INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION OF THE TREASURE COAST. NOT SOMETHING THAT I SAW COMING, BUT WHAT I'M REALLY PLEASED ABOUT IS WHAT OUR ASSOCIATIONS DOING, ESPECIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING, HAVING TO DO WITH TRAINING, GETTING PEOPLE INTO THE TRADES FOR THE MARINE INDUSTRY. WE'RE BRINGING SERVICES TO OUR ASSOCIATION MEMBERS LIKE COMPETITIVE HEALTH INSURANCE, MAKING IT A VALUE FOR THEM TO BE PART OF THE ASSOCIATION. WORKING VERY STRONGLY WITH THE WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY TO TRY TO HAVE THE ASSOCIATION DOING THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT YOU GUYS WANT US TO DO. WE WANT TO GET BEHIND BETTER PLANNING FOR HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS FOR THE MARINE INDUSTRY. WE WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN MORE APPRENTICESHIP OR TRAINING. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH A LOT OF FOLKS. A LOT OF OUR ASSOCIATION MEMBERS IN DISCUSSING THOSE TYPE OF THINGS , AND THAT'S WHAT THE MONEY THAT WE MAKE FROM THE STEWART BOAT SHOW GOES TO SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. WE DID HIRE A SUSAN O'ROURKE'S COMPANY TO DO THE SIGNAGE DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY . WE CAME UP WITH SOMETHING WE IMPLEMENTED IT. GOTTA CALL THE FIRST DAY. WELL, THERE'S NOT A SIGN HERE. WELL THE STUDY DIDN'T SHOW WE NEED TO SIGN THERE. WE PUT A SIGN THERE. WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE HAPPY. UM MR MARTEL. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE YOU WANT THIS SIGN TO GO. AND IT WILL BE THERE ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE FOR THE WORK THAT THE POLICE AND THE TRASH AND EVERYBODY IS DOING. IT REALLY MAKES THE SHOW WHAT IT IS, AND WE ARE ALREADY SOLD OUT. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO ANOTHER GREAT YEAR AND REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. OKAY IF THERE'S NOT ANY OTHER PARTY PUBLIC COMMENT, MARRIED YOU CALL THE ROLE MAY HAVE A COMMENT, MR YES. I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IS THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD. SO MUCH OF THE TIME NOW PEOPLE CAN'T ATTRIBUTE IT TO THE BOOK JOB. UNFORTUNATELY, BUT IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE BOAT SHOW THAT THE US SAILING CENTER WOULD NOT EXIST BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE

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WE GOT OUR START, AND IT'S JUST IT'S A YEAH, IT'S A GREAT ASSET TO THANK YOU. PENNY IN THE CITY, MARY. MAYOR MCDONALD. YES COMMISSIONER BRUNER. YES, MR COLLINS? YES YES. OKAY MOVING ON

[17. IMPACT FEE UPDATE STUDY (RC) RESOLUTION No. 105-2022; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA ACCEPTING THE CONSULTANT STUDY OF UPDATED IMPACT FEE OPTIONS AS CONTRACTED; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

TO THE NEXT ITEM. THE IMPACT THE STUDY, MIKE, COULD YOU REALLY THE RESOLUTION RESOLUTION NUMBER 105-202 TO A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, ACCEPTING THE CONSULTANT'S STUDY OF UPDATED IMPACT. THE OPTIONS IS CONTRACTED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. FROM DAVE, ARE YOU THINKING THIS ONE? YES. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. SO AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO DO UPDATES AND DO A MOST RECENT STUDY OF DATA, AND SO THE CITY HIRES A CONSULTANT FOR THIS PURPOSE, AND I BELIEVE BEN GRIFFIN FROM TISCHLER BIASES HERE TO PRESENT THIS STUDY. MAYOR COUNCIL OR COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS. FOR A WHILE NOW, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TONIGHT IS, I GUESS THE FIRST READING, UM I DID PREPARE A PRESENTATION. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU. YEAH. I HAVE EMAILED OR SOME DRIVE DRIVE.

HEY, PAUL. THERE ARE A LOT OF NUMBERS. I GOT THE STUDY, BUT NOT A PRESENTATION. IT'S AMAZING HOW THESE NUMBERS ALWAYS GO DOWN. I KNOW. UH IT IS STRANGE THEY ARE GOING DOWN THIS TIME.

JUST ACROSS THE COUNTY LINE. THEY ARE NOT DOING THAT. THEY'RE GOING UP. YES. AND JUST FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S KNOWLEDGE. UM ONCE YOU ACCEPT OR IF YOU ACCEPT THIS STUDY, WE WOULD THEN BASED ON WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR IT IF YOU LOOK IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE MOTION, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE RECOMMEND USING, UH, SPECIFIC. THE SPECIFIC. UTILIZING THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE IMPACT FEES ARE STATED ON PAGES SIX THROUGH SEVEN. THAT'S A RECOMMENDED MOTION. AND WITH THAT, OR IF YOU CHOOSE SOME OTHER OPTION, WE WILL BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE FOR TWO READING ON THE ORDINANCE TO ACTUALLY CHANGE THE IMPACT THESE WITHIN THAT ORDINANCE. SO THIS TONIGHT IS JUST THE STUDY ITSELF ACCEPTING THE STUDY. CUTE. ALRIGHT SO I'M GONNA TRY AND MOVE THROUGH THIS QUICKLY. IF AT ANY POINT YOU HAVE A QUESTION. FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME. UM I'M GONNA START OFF WITH SORT OF SOME IMPACT. YOU WANNA ONE? SO ANYONE WHO HAS NOT DONE IMPACT FEES BEFORE IT ALL SORT OF BRING YOU UP TO SPEED AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO THE ACTUAL FEE CALCULATIONS.

ADDITIONAL RISE HAS BEEN CONSULTING FOR OVER 40 YEARS. WE WORKED ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

WE DO A LOT OF WORK IN FLORIDA. CURRENTLY WE'RE WORKING WITH CLAY COUNTY SCHOOLS WERE WORKING WITH PORTS ST LUCIE. UM WE ARE FINISHING UP WITH FLAGLER WERE WORKING IN THE CITY OF MIAMI. SO YOU KNOW WE ARE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH. YOU KNOW WHAT WE WERE TASKED TO DO IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA? UM SO YOU KNOW WHAT? OUR IMPACT FEES SO IMPACT? THESE ARE A ONE TIME PAYMENT FOR GROWTH RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE. THEY CANNOT BE USED FOR OPERATIONS MAINTENANCE REHABILITATION. THIS IS JUST FOR GROWTH RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S NOT A TAX. IT IS A CONSTRUCT A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT TO BUILD GROWTH RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WITH IMPACT THESE WE HAVE TO PROVE THREE THINGS. THERE'S NEED PROPORTIONALITY AND BENEFIT. SO I NEED YOU. WE PROVED THAT BY SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW IF YOU KEEP GROWING, WHAT ARE YOUR GROWTH RELATED NEEDS? YOU KNOW WHAT ARE THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS THAT WILL BE FUNDED THROUGH THE IMPACT. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AS GROWTH OCCURS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING SYSTEM LEVEL IMPROVEMENTS, NOT PROJECT LEVEL IMPROVEMENTS. SO A AH, A SYSTEM LEVEL IMPROVEMENT WOULD BE WIDENING CORRIDOR THROUGH TOWN, A SYSTEM LEVEL IMPROVEMENT WOULD BE ADDING A TURN LANE BECAUSE A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT NEEDED THAT TURN LIGHT. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THERE IS A BENEFIT TO EVERYONE BY THESE BY THESE GROCERY, RIGHT AND INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THROUGH PROPORTIONATE SHARE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CHARGING EVERYONE THEIR PROPORTIONATE SHARE. SO IF YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MORE RESIDENTS IN A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT COMPARED TO A MULTI FAMILY UNIT AND THAT SINGLE FAMILY UNIT A MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN THAT UNIT, UM, ON THE NON RESIDENTIAL SIDE,

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COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL USES, GENERATING MORE TRIPS SO THEY SHOULD PAY MORE IN FEES THAN SAY , YOU KNOW, AN INDUSTRIAL USE. SO THAT'S HOW WE VARY THE FEES PROPORTIONATELY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE YOU KNOW. CHARGING PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR DEMAND, AND THE FINAL IS BENEFIT. THAT'S TWO PARTS. THE FIRST IS A GEOGRAPHIC BENEFIT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IF SOMEONE PAYS THAT THEY LIVE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE IMPROVEMENT TO RECEIVE THAT. THE OTHER PART OF BENEFIT IS THAT IF SOMEONE PAYS YOU FOR GROWTH RATE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU THEN BUILD IT UM, THERE ARE THREE METHODOLOGIES. WE LOOK AT THEM AS POINTS IN TIME TO PAST PRESENT FUTURE. SO THE PAST, YOU KNOW THAT IS GOING TO BE A COST RECOVERY APPROACH. SO IF THERE'S EXCESS CAPACITY AND YOU HAVE DEBT RELATED TO THAT EXCESS CAPACITY YOU COULD HAVE USED DEVELOPED BY INTO THAT EXCESS CAPACITY. UM PRESIDENT WOULD BE THE INCREMENTAL OR CONSUMPTION BASED APPROACH WHERE YOU SAY THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. SO WE HAVE THIS MANY, YOU KNOW, PARK AMENITIES PER PERSON. WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT GOING FORWARD, SO YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE CONSUMPTION BASED APPROACH, JUST MAINTAINING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THEN LOOKING AT THE FUTURE IS THE PLAN BASED APPROACH. WHERE YOU SAY THESE ARE SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD. UM WE CAN LOOK AT OUR C I P WE CAN GET ACCURATE COSTS FOR THIS. SO YOU KNOW YOU WOULD USE A PLAN BASED APPROACH ON THAT. AND YOU WOULD SAY, OKAY, WELL, THIS IS GROWTH SHARED. THIS IS EXISTING DEVELOPMENT SHARE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT OVERCHARGING. UH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AGAIN BECAUSE YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NEVER CHARGING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT FOR A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE RECEIVED FROM EXISTING DEVELOPMENT BASICALLY WENT TREAT EVERYONE THE SAME.

RIGHT THERE ARE THREE TYPES OF CREDITS. THERE'S A SITE SPECIFIC CREDIT. SO IF SOMETHING IS INCLUDED IN THE IMPACT THE STUDY AND HE DEVELOPER CONSTRUCTS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU PROVIDED CREDIT FOR THAT, UM , THE OTHER TO DEBT SERVICE AND DEDICATED REVENUES. THOSE ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE STUDY. SO IF THERE IS SOME SORT OF REVENUE USED TO RETIRE, DEBT OR FUND SOME TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO INCLUDE A CREDIT INTO THE IMPACT THE STUDY TO REDUCE THE IMPACT BE SO THE YOU KNOW. THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ISN'T PAYING ONCE THROUGH THE FEE AND ONCE THROUGH THAT FUTURE REVENUE SOURCE. ALRIGHT ANY QUESTIONS ON METHODOLOGY BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE BIG CHANGES IN FLORIDA LEGISLATION SINCE YOUR CURRENT FEES WERE ADOPTED. GO AHEAD. SO THE UPDATED LEGISLATION IN FLORIDA UM YOU KNOW, IT PUTS SOME LIMITS ON THE FEE INCREASES . ESSENTIALLY YOUR CAPTAIN 50% FEE INCREASE UNLESS YOU AND THIS IS TOWARDS THE MIDDLE. UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE, UH, FOR THEIR EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU HAVE TO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND YOU HAVE A TWO THIRDS VOTE TO ACCEPT THAT. UM IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, THEN ANY FEE INCREASE UP TO 50% HAS TO BE PHASED IN. OVER FOUR YEARS AND EQUAL INCREMENTS IF THE INCREASES UP TO 25% THEN IT'S GONNA BE PHASED IN OVER TWO YEARS AND THEN EQUAL INCREMENTS.

UM I'LL SHOW YOU THIS AT THE END BECAUSE SOME OF YOUR FEES DID EXCEEDED 50% INCREASE. SO YOU'RE CAPPED AT 50% AND YOU HAVE TO FACE THEM IN. UM THAT'S WHAT'S PAGES SIX AND SEVEN IN THE REPORTER. SHOWING IS YOU KNOW WHAT? YOUR YEAR ONE MAX, WHICH ARE YOUR TWO MAX? ESSENTIALLY MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE FACING THOSE IN EQUAL INCREMENTS. AND THEN YOU MAY NOT INCREASE YOUR FEES MORE THAN ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS. YES WHEN IS THE LAST TIME WE HAD AN INCREASE? BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE LOOKING THROUGH THIS. THERE WAS SO MUCH DISPARITY BETWEEN WHERE WE NEED TO BE AND WHERE WE ARE. WHILE I'M GONNA TAKE A GUESS AND SAY THE LAST TIME WE ACTUALLY THE LAST TIME WE DID AN IMPACT THE STUDY, PROBABLY SEVEN YEARS AGO , THERE WAS ACTUALLY SOME OTHER THINGS DECREASED AND SOME INCREASED, BUT UM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, SOME OF THEM ARE INDEXED AS WELL SO THEY MIGHT DECREASE INITIALLY. DO THEY INCREASE? NO NO ONE WAS SET. IT WAS SET. THIS ONE IS PROPOSING AND ENSURE HE'LL EXPLAIN INDEX BECAUSE OF STATE LAW. THERE WAS ALSO A NEGOTIATION THE CITY MANAGER DID WITH THE COUNTY AS A RELATED TO THE COUNTY IMPACT PEACE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, AND HE NEGOTIATED A 50% REDUCTION IN THOSE IMPACT FEES.

THREE YEARS AGO. WAS IT ROUGHLY STILL COLLECT THE COUNTIES IN PEPE'S SCHOOL BOARD? MUCH MONEY HAVE THEY SPENT IN THE CITY? THERE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN THEY PRIOR TO THAT NEGOTIATION THAT HE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON IT WAS ALMOST ZERO. IN FACT, IT WAS $33,000 IN 10 YEARS, AND THAT WAS FOR A STUDY. BUT NOW THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF COOPERATION GOING ON, AND THERE'S JUST THINGS ARE DOING JUST ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM WHETHER OR NOT SPENDING YEAH, STARTING WITH THE ALICE AVENUE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING A YEARLY LIST, UM, WORKING WITH THEM ON FUNDING THAT THE COUNTY IMPACT THESE WOULD USE IN THE CITY. DEBUTS THANK YOU. THAT'S

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GREAT NEWS QUESTIONS. COUNSELOR. COLLEGE GREAT. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH , HOLD ON. UM SO WE'RE STAYING HERE. THIS IS THE 10 YEAR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE IN THE STUDY ESSENTIALLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, HERE IS YOUR YOUR BASE, AND THIS IS WHERE WE THINK YOU'D BE OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. SO TO PROJECT THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, WE LOOKED AT YOUR LAST FEW YEARS OF RESIDENTIAL PERMITS, AND WE ASSUMED THAT THERE WOULD BE A SIMILAR GROWTH RATE THROUGH 2025. BEYOND 2025. WE USE THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA'S BIEBER PROJECTIONS FOR A GROWTH RATE.

SO 2025 THROUGH 2032 IS USING THAT THAT'D BE RE PROJECTION AND THEN WE HAVE THE NON RESIDENTIAL SIDE WORKING WITH STAFF. UH THE GROWTH RATE ON THE NON RESIDENTIAL. IT'S GONNA BE 1.5% UP TO 4. WHAT IT'S SAYING IS, YOU KNOW A POPULATION INCREASE OF ABOUT 3200 PEOPLE AND EMPLOYMENT INCREASE OF ABOUT 9900. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DEVELOPMENT PROTECTIONS. I HOPE YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL. PROBLEM. UM ONE. PERK TO HOW WE'VE DONE. A LOT OF THESE FEES IS, YOU KNOW WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ISOLATE THE ACTUAL FEES FROM SLOWDOWNS. OR EVEN INCREASES IN THE IN THE IN THE MARKET. SO A LOT OF THESE, YOU KNOW THEY'RE USING A CONSUMPTION BASED APPROACH WHERE IT'S JUST THE EXISTING LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO IF YOU GROW 10 TIMES AS MUCH, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE JUST GENERATE 10 TIMES THE REVENUE YOU BUILD 10 TIMES AS MUCH IF YOU DON'T GROW AT ALL. YOU DON'T COLLECT ANY REVENUE ON THE HOOK. SO WE'VE TRIED TO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. ISOLATE THE GENERAL FUND FROM CHANGES IN THE MARKET. DOES THIS INCLUDE. KIND OF WHERE WE WERE ON 22 HERE, BUT THE ROUGHLY 3000 UNITS THAT WE'VE APPROVED. IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS. MOST OF THAT MULTI FAMILY IN TERMS OF UNITS. YEAH. AND IS THAT REFLECTED THE IMPACT FEES AS WELL? 100% WHAT I'M ASKING, THOUGH, IS THE PROJECTIONS BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE SINGLE FAMILY. SORT OF MOVES UP ALONG SIMILARLY WITH MULTI FAMILY, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IN OUR CITY IT HAD THAT HASN'T BEEN THE CASE. AS OF LATE. IT'S BEEN MUCH MORE MULTI FAMILY. SO AS AS HE STATED EARLIER. THESE ARE BIEBER PROJECTIONS, AND SO THEY BASED THEM ON HISTORY DATA. AND SO THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE RECENTLY EXPERIENCED WHILE MAJORITY OF THAT IS AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS IN THE JANUARY PRESENTATION ON WHAT WE HAVE LEFT THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT MORE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW WHERE THERE'S NO MULTI FAMILY LAB. SO YOU'RE YOU WILL SEE BALANCING OF THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD QUESTION IF IT'S BASED ON BIEBER AND NOT REALLY US, HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT OUR IMPACT FEES, YOU KNOW? POTENTIALLY. BEAVER FAMILY VERSUS THE ONLY DATA THAT WE REALLY HAVE, AND IT'S A DATA THAT IF I CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT THE STATE EXPECTS US TO RELY ON A LOT OF FLORIDA COMMUNITIES USE BIEBER. CORRECT. UM AND, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND. YOU CANNOT BEAT THIS EVERY FOUR YEARS. SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S FIRST THROUGH 2025 WERE USING RECENT PERMITS. UM YOU KNOW IT.

THE OUT YEARS ARE MORE CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE WE'RE USING BIEBER. SO IT HAS A SLIGHTLY LOWER GROWTH RATE. BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE GONNA BE UPDATING, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST EVERY FOUR YEARS ANYWAY. AND SO YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, GO IN, YOU CAN SAY HEY, LOOK, THIS IS WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND UPDATE THIS AGAIN. ALSO YOU WOULD WANT TO UPDATE EVERY FOUR YEARS. UM SINCE YOU ARE LIMITED TO THAT 50% INCREASE NOW. UM YOU WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE STAYING ON TOP OF THAT, BECAUSE WITH CONSTRUCTION COSTS INCREASING. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T GET TOO FAR BEHIND IN ANY OF YOUR UPDATES.

MASKING IS HYPOTHETICALLY IF YOU HAD MORE MULTI FAMILY, ACTUALLY IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT, HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT THE IMPACT FEES FROM MULTI FAMILY VERSUS LIKE SINGLE FAMILY? WOULD THAT CHANGE ANYTHING? FOR MOST OF YOUR FEES WOULD CHANGE NOTHING BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE INCREMENTAL THE MULTIMODAL FEED BECAUSE IT'S A PLAN BASED, IT WOULD CHANGE ITS SLIGHTLY ADDING MORE WOOD. BUT BASICALLY LIGHTLY DECREASE IT, BUT HE WOULD NOT CHANGE THE RATIO BETWEEN YOU KNOW WHAT SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH THE PROJECTIONS? OKAY. ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL START WITH MULTIMODAL. WE'RE GOING TO USE A CITYWIDE SERVICE AREA. WE USE A PLAN BASED APPROACH FOR THIS. UM SO THE MULTIMODAL IMPROVEMENTS IDENTIFIED OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS HAVE A TOTAL COST OF ABOUT $5.6 MILLION ABOUT 5.1 MILLION OF THAT IS GROWTH

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THESE ARE THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE MIDDLE. THERE IS A TOTAL COST.

THERE'S A GROWTH CHAIR AND THE GROWTH COST. THE IMPACT FEES ARE BASED ON THIS GROWTH COST, SO IT'S YOU KNOW, ALLOCATING THE GROWTH COST TO DEVELOPMENT OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS, AND SO WHAT IT'S SAYING IS OKAY, THIS, YOU KNOW, $5.1 MILLION WE'RE GOING TO ALLOCATE THIS TO THE INCREASE IN TRIPS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS, AND SO EACH TRIP GENERATED SHOULD PAY ABOUT $88. THAT THEN TURNS INTO, UM YOU KNOW THE TRIPS GENERATED BY DIFFERENT TYPES OF UNITS SO YOU CAN SEE A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT WOULD GENERATE 8.36 TRIPS ON AN AVERAGE DAY. YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY $87.58. AND SO THE MULTIMODAL FEE FOR SINGLE FAMILY WILL BE $732. THE EXISTING FEE IS $1202 . YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE. THE RESIDENTIAL FEES ARE DECREASING AND MOST OF THE NON RESIDENTIAL FEES ARE ACTUALLY INCREASING. THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW. BASED ON TRIP GENERATION RATES THAT HAVE BEEN UPDATED SINCE YOU KNOW YOUR PREVIOUS STUDIES. UM YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A CHANGE NATIONALLY THAT'S BEEN SEEN AND SO IT'S SHIFTING A LITTLE MORE OF THAT TRIP DEMAND TOWARDS THE NON RESIDENTIAL SIDE. ANY QUESTIONS WHERE THE MULTIMODAL FEES RIGHT? NEXT MOVE TO PARKS AND REC AGAIN A CITYWIDE SERVICE AREA. WE HAVE PARK AMENITIES AS OUR ONLY COMPONENT WHERE USING THE INCREMENTAL METHODOLOGY WHERE WE SAY WE HAVE, YOU KNOW A CERTAIN NUMBER OF AMENITIES TODAY PER PERSON. WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT GOING FORWARD, SO YOU'LL SEE THIS ALL THE MORE THE NEXT SLIDE . BUT OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS YOU WOULD GENERATE ABOUT $1.4 MILLION TO BUILD. BASICALLY 40 ADDITIONAL AMENITIES. SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE? THESE ARE YOUR EXISTING AMENITIES. SO YOU HAVE 249 TODAY? THAT UNIT COST IS WHAT IT WOULD COST YOU TO BUILD SOMETHING SIMILAR TODAY . AND SO WE JUST GET A WEIGHTED AVERAGE OF YOUR EXISTING AMENITIES. AND SO WE'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, OF YOUR 249 AMENITIES THAT EXIST TODAY. THE COST IS ABOUT 34,000. AND YOU KNOW IF WE MAINTAIN THAT, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS OF PROJECTED GROWTH YOU WOULD NEED, YOU KNOW.

ESSENTIALLY 40 ADDITIONAL AMENITIES MULTIPLY THAT, BY THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE COST THAT'S ABOUT $1.36 MILLION. THERE IS NO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT SHARE ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S INCREMENTAL.

IT IS 100% GROWTH RELATED, SO WHATEVER IS GENERATED, AND IN THAT ACCOUNT, YOU SPEND IT TO ADD ADDITIONAL AMENITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. UM SO THAT THE COST PER PERSON ON THAT WAS ABOUT $421 YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY THE OCCUPANCY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY OR THE MULTI FAMILY UNIT , AND SO THE PROPOSED WOULD BE $1086 FOR SINGLE FAMILY. YOUR CURRENT FEE IS $121. SO YOU ARE GOING TO BE CAPPED AT 50% UNLESS YOU, UM YOU KNOW, HAVE A STUDY THAT PROVES THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES. ALRIGHT. YOU NEED QUESTIONS ON PARKS. ALRIGHT SO WE'LL MOVE ON. I'VE SPLIT THE PUBLIC SAFETY FEE INTO FIRE AND POLICE. UM SO WE'LL START WITH FIRE AGAINST CITYWIDE SERVICE AREA. WE HAVE THREE COMPONENTS. THERE IS A PLAN BASED FIRE FACILITIES COMPONENT AND THEN THE FIRE APPARATUS AND FIRE EQUIPMENT USING INCREMENTAL METHODOLOGY. SO FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, YOU KNOW FIRE FACILITIES . YOU'RE PLANNING TO BUILD 2500 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S $2 MILLION.

THE WAY WE'VE SET UP THIS FEE. THAT'S 100% GROWTH RELATED BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DECLINING LEVEL OF SERVICE. TECHNICALLY, UM AND I'LL GET INTO THAT MORE IN THE NEXT SLIDE. WHERE FIRE APPARATUS YOU NEED APPROXIMATELY ONE ADDITIONAL UNIT AT $690,000 AND THEN FIRE EQUIPMENT YOU NEED ABOUT 18 UNITS, $44,000. SO. WITH THE FIRE FACILITIES COMPONENT. WE'RE LOOKING AT A PLAN BASED APPROACH TO CONSTRUCT FIRE STATION NUMBER THREE, UM. WE ORIGINALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT AN INCREMENTAL METHODOLOGY AND IT, YOU KNOW, GENERATE THE NEED FOR LIKE FIVE OR 6000 SQUARE FEET. FIRE FACILITIES IN TALKING TO STAFF. THERE WAS A PLAN TO DO FIRE STATION THREE WITH 2500 SQUARE FEET. WE KNEW THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ISSUES WITH BEING KEPT ON. YOU KNOW THAT THE FEE INCREASE. AND SO THE DECISION WAS OKAY. WELL YOU KNOW, WHY NOT FOCUS ON THE 2500 ? WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BUILD NOT GENERATE EXTRA FOR ADDITIONAL FACILITIES, AND WE CAN PUT SOME OF THAT TOWARDS THE OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS SAYING , OKAY, WELL, YOU'RE PLANNING TO BUILD 2500 SQUARE FEET. YOU COULD HAVE BUILT MORE SO WE'RE

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GOING TO ALLOCATE 100% OF THE COST OF THIS GROWTH OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT. YEP. NEXT UP. WE HAVE FIRE APPARATUS. YOU HAVE FIVE UNITS TODAY WITH A WEIGHTED AVERAGE COST OF $580,000. BASED ON PROJECTED GROWTH. YOU WOULD NEED APPROXIMATELY ONE ADDITIONAL UNIT AND THAT WOULD GENERATE $692,000 IN FEES. ANY QUESTIONS WHERE APPARATUS. NEXT UP EQUIPMENT. SAME THING. YOU HAVE 74 EXISTING UNITS OF EQUIPMENT. THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE COST IS ABOUT $2500. SO YOU NEED ALMOST EIGHT TEAM ADDITIONAL UNITS, AND SO IT'S ABOUT 44,000 AND FEE REVENUE. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP. WE HAVE POLICE. SO CITYWIDE SERVICE AREA. UM FOR THE FACILITIES WERE USING INCREMENTAL METHODOLOGY FOR POLICE VEHICLES WERE USING PLANT BASED METHODOLOGY.

EQUIPMENT ALSO PLAN BASED METHODOLOGY. SO OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS YOU NEED ABOUT 1100 SQUARE FEET OF FACILITIES, WHICH IS ABOUT $904,000.08. EIGHT VEHICLES AND 50 UNITS OF EQUIPMENT. SO WITH THE FACILITIES YOU HAVE 4300 SQUARE FEET TODAY, UM AND YOU BASED ON MAINTAINING EXISTING LEVEL OF SERVICE YOU WOULD NEED TO BUILD, YOU KNOW ABOUT 1100 SQUARE FEET AT A COST OF $800 PER SQUARE FOOT. THAT'S JUST SHY OF A MILLION DOLLARS. UM POLICE VEHICLES. THIS WAS SIMILAR TO THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH THE FIRE FACILITIES WHERE YOU KNOW IF WE USE THE EXISTING LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT ACTUALLY SHOWED MANY MORE VEHICLES BEING PURCHASED. AND YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE THIS FISCAL BURDEN BUYING ALL THESE VEHICLES PLACED ON THE CITY. UM YOU KNOW, WE TALKED WITH STAFF AND YOU KNOW, WE CAME UP WITH A LOWER NUMBER, AND HE SAID EIGHT VEHICLES OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS ARE EXPANDING YOUR FLEET BY EIGHT VEHICLES WAS MUCH MORE LIKELY THAT REDUCES THE EXCESS FISCAL BURDEN THAT YOU KNOW, ADDING ADDITIONAL VEHICLES WOULD HAVE ON THE CITY. AND SO THIS IT'S SAYING, YOU KNOW, ALL EIGHT VEHICLES WOULD BE COVERED BY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT . AND THAT'S ABOUT $480,000 FOR THOSE VEHICLES. SAME THING WITH POLICE EQUIPMENT ORIGINALLY WERE GENERATING A NUMBER MORE THAN THIS, UH AND WE BROUGHT THAT NUMBER BACK DOWN AND SAID 50 ADDITIONAL UNITS IS MUCH MORE REASONABLE. AND SO THAT WOULD GENERATE ABOUT $184,000 AND FEE REVENUE OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

SO WE ADD ALL THOSE COSTS PER PERSON AND COST PER VEHICLE TRIP TOGETHER AND FOR YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY FEES. A SINGLE FAMILY PROPOSED FEES $1263. THE EXISTING FEE IS 758. SO WE'RE SLIGHTLY CAPPED ON SOME OF THESE , UH YOU SEE INDUSTRIAL AND OFFICE. ANOTHER SERVICE GOING DOWN SO THOSE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO IMMEDIATELY CHARGE THAT PROPOSED IF YOU ADOPTED THAT. SO THE TOP THOSE ARE ALL OF THE FEES THAT YOU SAW IN THE SLIDES. THE MAXIMUM JUSTIFIABLE, UM YOU DO ADD A 3% ADMINISTRATION. THAT FEE ON TOP OF THAT, SO WHAT? WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON IS THAT YOU KNOW THAT TOTAL COLUMN ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT. YOU SEE, THE BOTTOM IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE SO ANYWHERE WHERE YOU EXCEEDED 50% 1 OF THE BOTTOM CAPS IT AT 50% SO WHAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY BE ADOPTING IF YOU CHOSE TO WOULD BE THE FEES AT THE BOTTOM, AND THIS WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE YOUR YEAR FOUR. FT BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING TO SPREAD THOSE OUT OVER MOST OF THESE OUT OVER FOUR YEARS, SO IN YOUR FOR YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO CHARGE UP TO $2112. MR MAYOR.

BASKETBALL? YES. HUNTER. YOUR MICRO MICROPHONE. FOR EXAMPLE, FIRE ENGINE PUMPER HERE THREE.

THESE ARE 10 YEARS. WE'RE DOING 10 YEAR PROJECTIONS HERE. SAYS YOU NEED THREE AT 600 GRAND FOR A TOTAL OF 1.8 MILLION. WE DON'T NEED THREE. TODAY WE'RE GOING TO NEED ONE IN THREE YEARS IS ANOTHER ONE IN THREE YEARS. IN THE NINTH YEAR. THAT'S $600,000 FIRE ENGINE PUMPER IS NOT GOING TO COST $600,000. IT'S GOING TO COST 900,000. WELL, IT'S NOT SAYING THAT YOU NEED THREE. THIS IS SHOWING. BUT I'M JUST SAYING JUST THE METHODOLOGY REQUIRE YOU TO JUST TAKE A SNAPSHOT. BECAUSE INFLATION IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM. IT'S BEEN IN 40 YEARS. SO I TAKE A JAB AT THAT REAL QUICK BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS 1.2 APPARATUSES, NOT THREE. AND SO HE THE 600 SOME 1000 WHEN HE

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SHOWED THE CHARTER OF THE ONES THAT WE RECENTLY PURCHASED, THERE WERE 500, SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE PAGE HERE PAGE 2 46. BUT IT THIS SPECIFIC NUMBER IS NOT IMPORTANT. THE IDEA THAT INFLATION HIS STRESSING MUNICIPAL BUDGETS TO A GREAT DEGREE. WE WERE UP IN AGAIN. WE WERE UP IN ROCK LEGEND MILTON. HE BROUGHT SOMEBODY UP AND HE WAS LOOKING AT THIS BIG TRUCK AND HE JUST HE COMMENT AND THEN HOW MUCH MORE IT WAS THE TRUCK THEY HAD BOUGHT BEFORE. SO I'M SAYING, HOW IS THAT? FIGURE IT IN FOR US, WE COULD INCREASE THAT. BUT YOUR FEES ARE ALREADY GONNA BE CAPPED AT 50% ANYWAY. SO YOU'VE EXCEEDED 50% IN MOST OF THESE SOME OF THESE PUBLIC SAFETY FEES SO WE CAN INCREASE THAT NUMBER WE COULD SAY, HEY, WE THINK YOU KNOW INFLATION IS GONNA BE THIS. LET'S GO AHEAD AND BUMP THAT UP. BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO GENERATE ADDITIONAL FEE REVENUE BECAUSE YOU'RE BEING KEPT AT THAT 50% INCREASE. OKAY, SO WE'RE JUST MAXED OUT ANYWAY.

OKAY. UNFORTUNATELY, YES. THANK YOU. PROBABLY ALL RIGHT, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE LAST SLIDE.

SO ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS RELATED TO THE IMPACT THESE QUESTIONS? YES, MR COLLINS. SO ALLOWABLE VERSUS JUSTIFIABLE. I'M ASSUMING ALLOWABLE IS THE MAX ALLOWED IN FLORIDA. SO IT'S ON THE NEW ACT. EXACTLY. OKAY BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS IT'S BASED ON AN INCREASE. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO INCREASE IT. YES WHEN I'M LOOKING AT AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE.

FIGURE SEVEN ON PAGE SEVEN. FOUR YEAR MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE IMPACT FEES. THIS IS ULTIMATELY WHERE WE'RE GOING. CORRECT THOSE ARE AS FAR AS I'M SEEING DECREASES EXCEPT FOR INSTITUTIONAL SO YOUS DECREASING INSTITUTIONAL. NO SO HELP ME. THINKING BACK. SO IF YOU HIT PAGE SEVEN, YOU'LL SEE WHAT I'M WHERE I'M AT SO AND MULTIMODAL. SOME ARE GOING UP. SOME ARE GOING DOWN SO WE'RE GOING TO BE KEPT ON ANY OF THOSE , UH OR SOME OF THOSE NONRESIDENTIAL. UM BUT YOU SEE THAT $470 PAGE SEVEN. DON'T HAVE PAGE SEVEN IN HERE BECAUSE THAT'S THE REPORT. OKAY JUST HAVE THAT WAS THE SLIDE FROM THE FIGURE SEVEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. I JUST HAVE THIS. AH WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A YEAR FOUR. SO OKAY, SO MULTIMODAL THERE IS, UM.

ACTUALLY I DON'T THINK YOU HIT A CAP ON MULTIMODAL. YOU DO HIT A CAP ON YOUR PARKS FEES FOR RESIDENTIAL AND YOU DO HIT CAPS ON PUBLIC SAFETY. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL ITEMS LIKE MULTIMODAL PARKS AND REC. PUBLIC SAFETY. I'M TALKING ABOUT UM, CURRENT FEES VERSUS THE TOTAL ALTOGETHER. SO. FOR ME. IT'S UH AGAIN PAGE SEVEN FIGURES WHERE WE'RE GOING FROM MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE IMPACT FEES. YOUR ONE YOUR TO YOUR THREE YEAR FOUR. IT SEEMS LIKE RELATIVE TO OUR CURRENT IMPACT FEES. ALL OF THESE ARE DECREASING. UH UM. SO IT IS OUR INTERPRETATION. YES.

AND THIS IS A VERY NEW LAW, SO NO ONE HAS TESTED IT YET THAT IT'S EACH COMPONENT INCREASE ITS COMPONENT BASED COMMISSIONER COLLEGES TO HELP YOU OUT. IMPACT FEES ARE ALWAYS STRUGGLE WITH THEM BECAUSE EVERYTHING HAS TO HAVE A NEXUS TO THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE PAYING THE IMPACT FEES. SO THEIR PROJECTS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A NEXUS TO HIM. AH, WITH SO IT'S LIKE THAT THERE'S A ROAD EXPANSION. YOU CAN'T GET AN IMPACT. THE FOR A ROAD, UH, FOR SOME PROJECT AND CANTOR HIGHWAY AND SPEND IT OUT ON THE ISLAND. BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A NEXUS TO WHAT IT IS, IF THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, IS THAT UNFORTUNATELY, YES, THAT IS KIND OF IT. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN'T YOU COULDN'T BUILD A LOCAL ROAD OFF OF RIVERSIDE DRIVE BECAUSE OF THE COSTCO DEVELOPMENT, BUT YOU COULD DO ARTERIAL ROADS AND ENHANCE ALL HERE TO PUT FUNDS FOR ARTERIAL ROADS FROM A COSTCO DEVELOPMENT . THAT MAY NOT BE RIGHT NEXT TO IT, IF YOU COULD FORECAST AND DEMONSTRATE A RATIONAL NEXUS THAT THOSE THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE USED BY THOSE COST, OH, PEOPLE BUT IT'S A IT'S KIND OF A VAGARY . BUT YES, THERE HAS TO BE A RATIONAL NEXUS BETWEEN AN IMPACT THAT THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY RECEIVES BENEFIT FROM THE FUNDS.

AND THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE IT'S A HARD THING TO WRAP AROUND. WHAT IS A BENEFIT. TO THE

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PROPERTY OWNER PAID B IMPACT FEES. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT? THANK YOU. SO. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CURRENT IMPACT FEES. AND I'M REFERRING TO ON PAGE FIVE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS ANYTHING TO YOU, BUT I FIGURE TO CURRENT IMPACT FEES, RIGHT? I'M TALKING SPECIFICALLY IN THE REALM OF SINGLE FAMILY. MULTI FAMILY JUST FOR SIMPLICITY. OUR CURRENT IMPACT FEES FROM MULTIMODAL ARE $1202 FOR SINGLE FAMILY. UH, THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE. SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING HERE GOES DOWN TO 7 32. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKS AND RECREATION. UH CURRENT IS 1 21 THAT GOES TO 1 81 CURRENT ON PUBLIC SAFETY IS 7 58. AND THAT WOULD GO UP TO 11. 37. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THESE NUMBERS ARE JUST KIND OF LIKE MIXING AROUND. BUT THE NET HERE'S A DECREASE.

WHY WOULD WE DECREASE OUR IMPACT FEES? I'M JUST THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION FOR UNDERSTANDING. WHY WOULD WE DO IT AREN'T THOSE LINE ITEMS WHERE IT'S PROPOSED TO DECREASE? WHY WOULD WE DO IT LATER EXPLAINED TO ME, LAST TIME I DID WAS INVOLVED WAS THAT I PARKS AND REC WENT DOWN THE LAST TIME BECAUSE THE CITY HAS OVER CAPACITY OF PARKS. SO EVEN IF WE ADD 5000 PEOPLE. WE HAVE SO MUCH PARK SPACE THAT WE JUST CAN'T JUSTIFY BUILDING MORE PARKS. SO, UM AND SAME WITH, UH. ROADS THERE'S REALLY NO PLACE TO BUILD. THERE'S VERY FEW PLACES TO BUILD. AND IF WE DON'T IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION TO BUILD ROADS AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMS TO DESIGNATE THE ROADS. IT'S HARD PRESSED TO COLLECT MONEY FOR ROADS, UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? AND I'M SORRY AND OVERALL, IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT FIGURE TO WHICH YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT AND FIGURE THREE OF THE SUB TOTAL OVERALL THE NEW MAXIMUM JUSTIFIABLE IMPACT IS HIGHER. I MEAN, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU COMBINE THE THREE CATEGORIES , SO THE SUB TOTAL CURRENTLY JUSTIFIABLE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO USE RIGHT? WE CAN ONLY USE THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE. THE JUSTIFIABLE. YES, I'M WITH YOU, BUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE USING IS THE MAX ALLOWABLE AT FOUR YEARS. THAT'S OUR GOAL. WHAT'S REALLY HOLDING YOU UP? IS THAT YOUR CURRENT PARK FEE? YES, $121. MAXIMUM JUSTIFIABLE PARK FEE FOR SINGLE FAMILIES. 1000 86. BUT YOU CAN ONLY GO UP TO 180 SOMETHING DOLLARS BECAUSE THAT 50% INCREASE, OKAY? SO I MEAN, WE'RE SHOWING DEMAND FOR YOU KNOW, ALMOST A 10 TIMES INCREASE ON PARKS, BUT BECAUSE YOUR CURRENT PART HE IS SO LOW, YOU'RE STUCK. OKAY? THAT WAS ALL I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION APPROVED. TO APPROVE YOU HAVE A SECOND, USING THE MAXIMUM MOTION TO ACCEPT USING THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE CAN CAN YOU PUT THAT IN YOUR MOTION MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE PERFECT. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU , COMMISSIONER BRUNER. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? STEERING DONE. I GET PEOPLE SHAKING THEIR HEAD. NO, WE HOPE NOT. UH AND MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER RICH. YES.

COMMISSIONER BRUNER. YES, COMMISSIONER COLLINS? YES. MCDONALD? YES. THANK YOU, MR GRIFFIN ALSO WANT TO THANK MICHELLE BURGER FOR CHEAP LEAD THIS PROJECT FOR US. THANK YOU.

OKAY MOVING ON TO THE NEXT TITLE, ADAPT. MPO VISION. ZERO PLAN. MIKE, WOULD YOU READ THE

[18. ADOPT MPO VISION ZERO PLAN RESOLUTION No. 109-2022; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA ADOPTING THE MARTIN MPO VISION ZERO PLAN TO ELIMINATE ALL TRAFFIC RELATED FATALITIES AND SERIOUS INJURIES; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSESS.]

RESOLUTION? HMM. TRYING. TO THAT'S HIS RESOLUTION NUMBER 109-20 TO 2 RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, ADOPTING THE MARTIN MPO VISION ZERO PLAN TO ELIMINATE ALL TRAFFIC RELATED FATALITIES AND SERIOUS INJURIES , PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. OKAY YOU KNOW, JUST GET RID OF CARS AND DAVID. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND HANDLE THIS. YES, SIR. UM SO AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE MPO AS WELL AS I'LL BE ON THE CITY COMMISSION. AND EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE PASSED THE VISION ZERO PLAN AND TO WHAT THE VISION ZERO PLAN IS THAT THE MARTIN MPO, THE FOUR DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND THE U. S.

DEPARTMENT. TRANSPORTATION OF VISION OF A WORLD WITH ZERO TRAFFIC FATALITIES. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A VERY LOFTY, UM, LOFTY, LOFTY GOAL. UH SO THE MARTIN MPO HAS PRODUCED THIS

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VISION EURO PLAN TO TALK ABOUT PLANNING HOW WE CAN PLAN FOR BETTER ROADS THAT ARE SAFER ROADS AND JUST ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT. IS THAT THE IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA AH, THAT USES THE DATA YEARS OF 2013 THROUGH 2017 ANDND THE REASON, THE CONSULTANT SAID . THOSE WERE THE YEARS THOSE WERE THE ONLY FULL DATA SET THAT HAS BEEN AUDITED DATA TO CONFIRM THE NUMBER OF CRASHES AND FATALITIES AND MARTIN COUNTY AND DURING THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD THERE WAS 300. 51 CRASHES THAT INVOLVED FATALLY OR SERIOUSLY INJURED INJURIES BETWEEN THAT PERIOD. AND I KNOW THAT IT WAS A FEW AND STEWART THERE WAS SOME RIGHT ON US ONE AND SO BYPASSING DIVISION, GERALD, WE'RE GONNA THE IDEAS THAT WILL TAKE, UM, TRAFFIC SAFETY INTO CONSIDERATION WITH OUR WITH OUR PLANNING, AND THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL BENEFIT WHEN WE SEEK FEDERAL GRANTS. UM THAT WILL BE GIVE US ADDITIONAL POINTS TOWARDS RECEIVING THOSE GREAT FEDERAL GRANTS, WHICH IS ALL OUR TAX MONEY THAT WE PAID. UP TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. MAYBE WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT OF IT BACK SO I WOULD APPRECIATE A MOTION TO PASS. I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. AND UH AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON IT, BUT CERTAINLY BE DO MY BEST ANSWER. JUST WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS WOULD BE FOR THE CITY. THAT'S WE POTENTIALLY GET GREAT ADDITIONAL CRAP THERE. CERTAIN STIPULATIONS OF CITY HAS TO FOLLOW. SO THERE ARE SOME LIKE PLAYING ELEMENTS IN THE BACK AND THE CHIEF WAS OUT OF TOWN. SO I GAVE IT TO THE CAPTAIN AND SHE SAID, WE COULD DO EVERYTHING SO WELL AND WE HAD THE STUART PD THERE, ALONG WITH THE MARKET COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AT PAST THE VISION ZERO PLANT AT THE MPO, AND SO THE WE HAVE PASSED IT AT THE MPO. SO THERE IS ACTUALLY IS HERE. BUT IN LIGHT OF UH, TWO THINGS ONE. THE GRANT ASPECT OF IT, BUT ALSO THAT HORRIFIC ACCIDENT NORTH OF THE BRIDGE. UM AND. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IT WAS HORRIFIC. IT WAS SAD. UM I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN EVER STOP YOUNG KIDS. FROM DOING THINGS IN CARS THAT THEY PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY ASPIRE. TO THAT, AND HOPEFULLY THAT WE WON'T SEE AN ACCIDENT LIKE THAT AND IN OUR COMMUNITY AGAIN, SO I'D LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THROW YOU AN ATTA BOY. AS THE CHAIR OF THE MPO. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT YOU ARE PUTTING STEWARDS, UM.

GOALS AND WHAT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN TRAFFIC, AND I'VE SEEN IT FIRSTHAND BEING ON THE MPO WITH YOU. SO THANK YOU FOR REPRESENTING IT AND MAKING SURE THAT HOW WE GET TO DRIVE AROUND IS CONSIDERED WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WERE, YOU KNOW, PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, SO I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLLINS HAD A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PROFESSOR. THANK YOU. FOR THOSE KIND WORDS. ABSOLUTELY. YES.

COME ON UP. RIGHT? SOME QUESTIONS. OKAY. CAN YOU HOLD ON FOR JUST ONE SECOND, KURT? COMMISSIONER RICHARD QUALIFY FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS. WE HAVE TO REDUCE THAT FATALITY. NO WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE THE RESOLUTION. JUST HAVE TO YEAH. SO WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE TO IMPLEMENT ANY OF THESE DON'T HAVE TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMITS. NOT NECESSARILY. NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS STEP NETWORK, WHICH IS INCREASING CREATING SYSTEMS FIRST. THESE ARE MORE GOLD.

THESE ARE ALL OKAY. SO IT'S VERY ASPIRATIONAL. IT IS. IT'S AN ASPIRATIONAL PLAN, AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING AND WE SHOULD BE CERTAINLY LOOKING AT THEM AND AGAIN. LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF IT IS DIRECTED TOWARDS THE PLANNING SIDE AND OUR PLANNERS, BUT BUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IF I RECALL, SO THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE HAS THE SAME WITH LANES AS, UM, AS AN INTERSTATE. UH, AND THEY ACTUALLY KNOW FROM, UM, STUDIES THAT WHEN YOU HAVE WIDER LANES, PEOPLE TRAVEL FASTER. I KNOW THE STATE IS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT REDUCING THE LANE WITH AND I THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY MONEY IN THE ONE OF THE WORK PLANS TO ACTUALLY TO REDUCE THE WENT LANE WITH WHICH IS, BY THE WAY, STRIPING. UM THERE'S ALSO THINGS WHEN CANADA HIGHWAY WAS REDONE TO BE SIX LANES. UM NOW THIS

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WASN'T A THIS IS NOT A NECESSARY A TRAFFIC SAFETY THING, BUT IT WAS FOR WHY THEY DID IT. BUT IT WILL HELP WITH TRAFFIC SAFETY AS THEY LOWERED THE SPEED LIMIT TO 45 ON CANNER, AND THAT WILL HELP WITH TRAFFIC SAFETY. INTERESTING ENOUGH. THE REASON THEY DID IT. WAS TO THE DECIBELS FROM THE SOUND OF TIRES GOING ACROSS THE PAVEMENT AT 45 MILES AN HOUR VERSUS 50. MILES AN HOUR IS EXPONENTIALLY HIGHER AT 50 MILES AN HOUR THAN 45 MPH. BUT DO YOU GET THE ADDED BENEFIT OF THE SWORD TRAFFIC AND SO, UM SO THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT YOU NEVER THAT I NEVER WHATEVER THOUGHT GOES INTO TRANSPORTATION PLANNING. UM AND AGAIN I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON AND WHAT THE PLAN IS. IT'S A LONG PLAN. I'VE READ IT. AH, BACK WHEN WE APPROVED THAT A FEW MONTHS AGO AT THE MPO, UM BUT TRYING TO HIT ALL OF THESE THINGS. ASPIRATIONAL E IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO AND QUITE HONESTLY, A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC PLANNING THAT WE DO HERE IN THE COUNTY HAS DONE BY THE MPO AND A LOT OF THE MAJOR ROADS ARE STATE AND COUNTY ROADS. SO BUT THERE ARE ANY OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN THAT YOU THOUGHT WOULD BE ESPECIALLY SUITABLE FOR THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT, UM BUT I'M SURE THERE IS SO THE IDEA IS CLEARLY ARTICULATING OUR GOALS. SO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO PARTNER WITH GRANTS, GRANTS AND GETTING AND REDUCING, AND HOWEVER WE CAN GO ABOUT REDUCING TRAFFIC DUSTS AND INJURIES. AND SOME OF THAT IS LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE HAD LAW ENFORCEMENT AT THE MPO MEETING TO DISCUSS HOW THEY CAN ASSIST. AND AS YOU HAVE SEEN, WE'VE SEEN A STEPPED UP ENFORCEMENT ON THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE. AND I SAW THAT THEY RECENTLY UH THEY RECENTLY GAVE SOMEONE A TICKET FOR DOING 80 MILES AN HOUR OR SO POLICE DEPARTMENT ACROSS THE BRIDGE AND MR DASH ANY IDEA HOW MUCH THE TICKETS AND THE COST OF PERSON THERE'S MAXIMUM 505 $100, AND THEY HAVE TO DO THE APPEARANCE TO HAVE TO GO TO COURT APPEARANCE ONE WAY. ONE ASKED ME SO YEAH, WILD MAN, MR MILLER, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND ANY OTHER ANY OTHER DELIBERATION AND WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT OCCURRED. OKAY? THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME COMMISSIONERS. THIS. IT COMES REAL CLOSE TO MY HEART. WHAT'S GOING ON THAT ACCIDENT YOU MENTIONED THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BRIDGE 18 YEAR OLD KID THAT WIPED OUT TO PEOPLE AT MY AGE FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER.

TRAVELING OVER 100 MILES AN HOUR . 1989 MY 18 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER WAS KILLED IN FRONT OF THEM ALL.

BY SOMEBODY WHO HEARD IT AT A INTERSECTION. AND 2000. I WAS HIT AT COLORADO OF NUMEROUS ONE BY A 16 YEAR OLD KID. I ALWAYS HAVE MY MOTORCYCLE. THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH STUFF THAT'S GOING ON IN THIS TOWN. AS FAR AS THE WAY PEOPLE DRIVE HOW FAST THEY DIVE US WHEN YOU ALL KNOW WHERE I LIVE US ONE IS LIKE A DRAG STRIP, ESPECIALLY ON FRIDAY NIGHT SATURDAY NIGHT. IT'S JUST A ROAR OF CARS COMING AND GOING AND GOING ON CRAZY RACING EACH OTHER. SOMEBODY HAS TO PUT THE BRAKES ON THIS. AND. NOT SURE WE'LL HAVE TO FEDERAL HIGHWAY, A STATE HIGHWAY OR WHETHER JOE CAN HANDLE IT OR WHO CAN TAKE CARE OF THIS, BUT WE REALLY NEED ENFORCEMENT. IN OUR CITY. SO WE DON'T HAVE TRAGEDIES LIKE I'VE SUFFERED ANOTHER PEOPLE HAVE THANK YOU SO SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS. YES KIND OF TO THE POINT. WHEN WE DID THE MPO. WE HAD ALL THE STUDIES. THEY SHOWED US ONE OF THE HIGHEST PLACES FOR SERIOUS TRAFFIC INJURIES WAS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BRIDGES. UM AND I AND I BELIEVE THAT'S PROBABLY FROM PEOPLE'S SPEEDING DOWN THE BRIDGES. AND SO WE HAVE EMOTIONAL SECOND ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT. MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? MAYOR MCDONALD.

YES, COMMISSIONER BRUNER. YES, RICH. YES, COLLINS. SO, OKAY, SR 3.5 HOURS. WHY DON'T WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? YES MINUTES, FIVE MINUTES. WE'LL BE BACK AT 7 30, NO MATTER WHAT, OKAY? I WAS GONNA GO TO BATHROOM JUST HAD THAT PROBLEM TO HAVE.

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OH, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WAITING. I WANT TO GET TO THEIR ITEMS. ABSOLUTELY, UM OKAY, SO.

[19. MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE JOHNSON HONDA CPUD (QUASI-JUDICIAL)(RC): ORDINANCE No. 2504-2022; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPROVING A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO A COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (CPUD) FOR A 5.83-ACRE PROPERTY OWNED BY TURQUOISE MOON LLC AT 4200 SOUTHEAST FEDERAL HIGHWAY; SAID LAND BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT "A" ATTACHED; ESTABLISHING MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING JOHNSON HONDA AUTOMOBILE DELEARSHIP CPUD TO ADD TWO (2) PARKING GARAGES; PROVIDING FOR CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENTS AND CONDITIONS; DECLARING THE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

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WE ARE IN ITEM NUMBER 19 MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE JOHNSON PANDA. UH, CPU, D, UM. MIKE, WOULD YOU READ THE TITLE OF THE AGENDA ITEM? I WILL. IT'S A ORDINANCE NUMBER 2504-20 TO 2. NORTON'S OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPROVING A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO A COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. FOR A 5.83 ACRE PROPERTY OWNED BY TURQUOISE MOON LLC AT 4200 SOUTHEAST FEDERAL HIGHWAY. SUDDENLY AND BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A TAD ESTABLISHING MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING JOHNSON, HONDA AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS. CPU D TO ADD TWO PARKING GARAGES, PROVIDING FOR CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENTS AND CONDITIONS, DECLARING THE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES, OKAY WITH THE COMMISSIONER'S DISCLOSE ANY EXPERTISE, COMMUNICATIONS AND THEY'RE HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND COMMISSIONER. YOU ARE RICH. NO I HAD NO COMMUNICATIONS WITH ANY PARTIES IN BOTH. MR. MR BROODER? NO, I HOPE NOT. OKAY AND IF EVER RIGHT EVER SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE, AND I HAVE NOT HAD ANY EXPERTISE, COMMUNICATIONS, AND I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND, MIKE, WOULD YOU PLACE ANY POTENTIAL WITNESSES UNDER OATH? WELL THOSE GIVING TESTIMONY PLEASE RISE. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH OR TRUTH IN IT, BUT THE TRUTH OF YOU GOD REFLECTED THREE PEOPLE WERE SWORN OKAY. UM BONNIE, ARE YOU HANDLING THIS? YES. IS THERE ANY CHANGES FROM THE LAST MEETING? AND WHEN I WAS GOING TO I WAS GOING TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AND THEN SAY THE PRESENTATION IS OPTIONAL SINCE YOU DID APPROVE IT ON THE FIRST TRADING, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. IT'S A PLEASURE OF THE BOARD. DOES ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PRESENTATION AGAIN SINCE THERE'S NO CHANGES TO IMPROVE? OKAY SO. WELL WE GOTTA CLOSE TO HEARING OUT FIRST , SO WE'LL GET WE'LL GET ME GET TO THAT PORTION. DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO PRESENT ANYTHING? OKAY SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND EDDIE NOW I GUESS THERE'S NO REBUTTAL. SO DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO NO, OKAY, DID THE PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE HAS NOW ENDED? THE HEARING IS CLOSED. IS THERE ANY FROM THE MONEY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SAYING NONE OKAY SO TIME FOR US TO DELIBERATE AND MAKE MOTIONS WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION APPROVED? SECOND OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLLINS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BRUNER ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION? SAYING NOTHING, MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER RICH YES. MAYOR MCDONALD YES, COMMISSIONER BRUNER. YES COLLINS. THANK YOU. OKAY NOW WE'RE GONNA GO TO A MAJOR NUMBER 20 MAJOR AMENDMENT

[20. MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE WALLACE VOLVO PUD (QUASI-JUDICIAL)(RC): ORDINANCE No. 2505-2022; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPROVING A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO A COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (CPUD) FOR A 5.78-ACRE PROPERTY OWNED BY WALLACE J 2755 SE FEDERAL HIGHWAY, LLC AT 2675 SE FEDERAL HIGHWAY; SAID LAND BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT "A" ATTACHED; ESTABLISHING MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING PUD TO DEMOLISH ONE SINGLE-STORY BUILDING AND ADD A SHOWROOM WITH OFFICE AND GENERAL STORAGE SPACE, AUTO REPAIR BAYS, OUTDOOR DISPLAY AREA, AND ADDITIONAL PARKING INCLUDING ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS; PROVIDING FOR CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENTS AND CONDITIONS; DECLARING THE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

TO THE WALLACE VOLVO P U D. THIS IS QUITE THE ADDITIONAL MIKE, WOULD YOU READ THE AGENDA ITEM? HMM. THIS IS. AH ORDINANCE TO 505 AND NORTH OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPROVING A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO A COMMERCIAL P U D FOR A 5.78 ACRE PROPERTY OWNED BY WALLACE J. 2755 SOUTHEAST FEDERAL HIGHWAY LLC. 2675 SOUTHEAST FEDERAL HIGHWAY.

SADLY AND BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A ATTACHED ESTABLISHING MODIFICATIONS TO EXISTING PD TO DEMOLISH ONE SINGLE STORY BUILDING AND AT A SHOWROOM WITH OFFICE AND GENERAL STORAGE SPACE AUTO REPAIR BASE, OUTDOOR DISPLAY AREA AND ADDITIONAL PARKING, INCLUDING ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS, PROVIDING FOR CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENTS AND CONDITIONS, DECLARING THE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PROVIDING FOR SOME ABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE FOR OTHER PURPOSES. OKAY THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMISSIONER, CAMP A RICH, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, EXPERT TAKING HAD NO COMMUNICATION WITH ANY OF THE PARTIES INVOLVED, MR CALLEN. COMMISSIONER BRUNER. NO I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW FAR IT WILL BE BEFORE THE CAR CAN DRIVE ME AROUND. I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION. I HAVE TO BE IN THE FRONT SEAT. OKAY, SO AND I HAVE NO EXPERTISE. COMMUNICATIONS MR . MARTEL, WOULD YOU PLACE? UH ANY OF THE POTENTIAL WITNESSES UNDER OATH? THREE AGAIN. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH OR TRUTH BUT THE TRUTH, SO IF YOU GOT YES, SIR. THE RECORD REFLECT THAT THREE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SWORN OKAY. MS LANDRY. ARE YOU GONNA BE DOING THIS ONE AGAIN? YES, ANY CHANGES. NO. SO I WOULD OFFER THE PRESENTATION OR SINCE YOU HAVE ALREADY APPROVED ON

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FRUSTRATING NOTHING'S CHANGED. SO IT'S PLEASURE. THE COMMISSION WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SEE THE PRESENTATION. I DO HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS ONE. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO THROUGH THIS? NO OKAY, SO MOTION MOTION TO APPROVE, BUT I WANT TO. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.

OKAY, UM WE'LL GET TO THAT. JUST ONE SECOND. YOU HAVE, UM THEY DON'T. SO YOU HAVE NO PRESENTATION. TERRY, DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION? WE DO NOT HAPPY TO LISTEN ANY KIND AND COMMISSIONER COLLEGE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES. SO IF YOU BONNIE, IF YOU WOULD THROW UP THE SITE PLAN SLIDE. IN THINKING ABOUT THIS, UM, PROJECT. THE ONE THING THAT WAS SORT OF HAUNTING ME WAS THE AMOUNT OF ASPHALT THAT IS GOING TO BE ON THAT SITE. UM VERSUS WHAT'S THERE NOW WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF GRASS AND THE MAIN AREA WHERE I FELT LIKE THERE WAS OPPORTUNITY IS IF YOU LOOK AT THIS THE PARKING LOT THERE THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE SERVICE BUILDING. UH I FELT LIKE THAT IS SUCH A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR EITHER LIKED. OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT TO HAVE EVERYTHING UP FRONT, YOU KNOW, BE BEAUTIFUL WITH YOUR BRUSHED CONCRETE AND EVERYTHING BUT BACK THERE, UM, ADJACENT TO THE SERVICE, SO. SO IF YOU GO SOUTH FROM THERE, BONNIE WITH THE MOUSE RIGHT A LITTLE BIT MORE. RIGHT THAT PARKING LOT DOWN THERE THAT SQUARE SQUARE.

IF I READ THAT PROPERLY WAS 176 FT BY 164 FT, RIGHT. SO WHAT I LIKE IS TO THE RIGHT OF IT. WE HAVE OR THERE'S WHITE. THERE'S ALL GRASS DOWN THERE. BUT OH, THAT PARKING LOT THAT IS BELOW.

THE SERVICE. THERE I THINK THAT IS AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME KIND OF MORE PERMEABILITY SURFACED AND JUST ASPHALT. SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PARKING LOT THAT MAYBE HAS PAVERS OR SOME SORT OF PERMEABLE CONCRETE OR PERVIOUS PAVEMENT OR EVEN I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS I KNOW THIS IS NOT MY ROLE TO RECOMMEND WHAT GOES THERE, BUT SOMETHING MORE PRIMARY ABLE, POTENTIALLY EVEN LIKE GRASS PAVERS OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE IT'S GRASS RIGHT NEXT TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE TRANSITION, BUT UH , WITH THE AMOUNT OF ASPHALT THAT'S BEING ADDED ONTO THE SIDE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THAT INSTEAD BE SOMETHING MORE.

PERVIOUS SOMETHING THAT CAN DRAIN BETTER THAN JUST ASPHALT. I WAS GOING TO BE MY RECOMMENDATION THERE. OKAY YOU'D LIKE ME TO RESPOND, AND WE HAVE TO DO THAT. SCOTT MONTGOMERY, ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT. AND ACTUALLY THAT. WE ARE JUST OVER 50% IMPERVIOUS NOW. WE'RE NOT TO BE TOO ZONING. BEFORE. P U D HOWEVER. WE'RE WELL BELOW THAT CAP. IMPERVIOUSNESS. I UNDERSTAND. THE WHAT? YOU DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF SEEING AS THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US BY VOLVO. EXTENT OF PARKING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE AND MUCH OF WHAT YOU SAW. IN THAT PLAN. THIS GRASS AREA WAS PROPOSED AS PAY PARKING. AND MR WALLACE DIRECTLY DIRECTED US TO SCALE THAT BACK TO WHAT YOU SEE NOW. SO IT IS. IT IS. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS STANDARD PAY TYPE OF PAVEMENT. BUT IT HAS BEEN SCALED BACK SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE INITIAL PROPOSAL. UM I'D RATHER NOT. COMMIT TO IT AT THIS POINT, BUT WE WOULD BE MOTIVATED NOW OR LATER TO CONSIDER THIS. WE APPROACHED THAT CAPITAL 65. IF THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO CREATE ADDITIONAL PARKING THEY WOULD NEED TO CONSIDER THE PERVIOUS TYPE OF A PAVEMENT. IT WOULD COME WITH A 50% CREDIT. AGAINST HIM PURPOSE. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE WE'RE IN AN AREA THAT'S BEHIND THE BUILDINGS. YOU'RE REFERRING TO IT'S NOT AS VISIBLE FROM THE HIGHWAY, RIGHT SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SAY WE WOULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER IT. FURTHER LONG TERM. BUT GOING FORWARD IN THAT GRASSY AREA YOU'RE SAYING NOT IN THAT PARKING LOT THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. RIGHT. IT'S IF WE EXPAND MORE IN THE FUTURE. THAT WOULD NEED TO BE A CONSIDERATION FOR SURE. DO ANY OF ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THAT WAS MY OKAY. DO EVERY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. OKAY I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, CLOSED THE CLOSED THE EVIDENCE THE HEARING BECAUSE THE PRESENTATION OF THE EVIDENCE HAS ENDED, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CLOSE TO HEARING DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SAYING NONE COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE A DELIBERATION OR MOTION MOTION FOR APPROVAL. DO WE HAVE A 2ND

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2ND? OKAY WE HAVE EMOTION IN A SECOND, AND HE COMMENT ON THE MOTION. MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER RICH YES. COLLINS YES, COMMISSIONER BRUNER? YES. MCDONALD'S YES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM 21 DOG WORLD URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE

[21. DOGSWORLD URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE (QUASI-JUDICIAL)(RC) (THIS IS A SINGLE READING ITEM) RESOLUTION No. 73-2022; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, CONSIDERING A MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL TO JUSTIN PHILLIPS, (CONTRACT PURCHASER) FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 400 SW 7TH STREET, CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 1.62 ACRES; TO ALLOW THE USE OF KENNELS FOR DOGSWORLD; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; PROVIDING FOR A TIMETABLE OF DEVELOPMENT; PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

. I DON'T THINK THIS ONE IS GOING TO GO AS FAST AS THOSE TWO DID. SO THIS ONE IS PLEASURE, JUDICIAL. RESOLUTION NUMBER 73-202 TO A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, CONSIDERING A MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL TO JUSTIN PHILLIPS, WHO IS THE CONTRACT PURCHASER FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 400, SOUTH WEST SEVENTH STREET, CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 1.62 ACRES TO ALLOW THE USE OF KENNELS. FOR DOGS WORLD PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DAY PROVIDING FOR A TIMETABLE OF DEVELOPMENT, PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES, AND THE MAYOR IS CORRECT AND STATING THAT IT'S A QUESTION JUDICIAL MATTER. NORMALLY THOSE ARE ORDINANCES, WHICH ARE TWO READINGS, BUT THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE SIERRA AND AS A RESULT OF FALLS UNDER A RESOLUTION, AND IT'S A ONE READING. OKAY, UH, COMMISSIONERS. DO ANY OF YOU HAVE EXPERT TAKING ANY EXPERT, A COMMUNICATION COMMISSIONER RICHD MAX TUCKEY. REMEMBER THE DATA WAS. IT WAS ONE WEEK PRIOR TO WHEN THIS WAS FIRST SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE AGENDA. AND THEN I SPOKE WITH TRACY, MISS BARNES.

LAST WEEK. SHE WANTED TO HAND ME THE PACKET THAT WAS PROVIDED ALL OF THE TWO OTHER COMMISSIONERS VIA EMAIL. MR COLLINS SPOKEN WITH RESIDENTS AND I SPOKE WITH MS BARNES YESTERDAY AND SHE PAST THAT PACKET ALONG AS WELL TO ME. CRYSTAL GRINER SPOKEN WITH BOTH SIDES. OKAY I'VE SPOKEN WITH SEVERAL RESIDENTS. MISS BARNES, KURT AND HIS WIFE. UM THERE WAS A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE AT THE MEETING. I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER THEIR NAMES RIGHT NOW. AND, UH, RECEIVED THE PACKAGE FROM HIS BARNES A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, ALSO SPOKE WITH MR MCCARTHY AND WITH MR SCHROTH, UH, AND STAFF AS WELL AND I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND. OKAY MIKE, WOULD YOU SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES? I'M SORRY. YOU MEAN I DID MEET WITH MR SCHWARTZ AS WELL AND THE APPLICANTS? OKAY? YEAH. IF ANY OF THOSE BEING SWORN IF YOU COULD PLEASE RISE. 123. WITH WHAT HAS YOU MOVING AROUND TO MAKE SURE 12 345678 9 10. AND THE RECORD REFLECT 10 PEOPLE BEING SWORN. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD. YOU JUST GET TO THE ONE PERSON THAT THEY'RE YES. DID YOU SAY YES TO GREAT? UM EVERYBODY BACK, EVERYBODY TESTIFIED AFFIRMATIVELY. OKAY SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE HONEY, ARE YOU HANDLING THIS ONE AS WELL? I AM SO I'LL INTRODUCE MYSELF. MY NAME IS BONNIE LANDRY . I AM A PLANNING CONSULTANT. UH WORKING WITH THE CITY OF STEWART. AND I'M GOING TO PROVIDE THIS PRESENTATION, WHICH IS A COMBINATION OF MY PRESENTATION, FOLLOWED BY A PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT.

UM AS STATED, THIS IS RESOLUTION 73 2022 FOR DOGS. WORLD CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THE REQUEST IS TO GRANT A MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE TO DEVELOP A DOG DAYCARE AND BOARDING SERVICES AND THE B THREE ZONING DISTRICT. UH THE ILLUSTRATION OF. ON THE SCREEN SHOWS THE LOCATION, WHICH IS ON 1.62 ACRES. UM, IT'S IN A VACANT BUILDING, WHICH WAS FORMERLY OCCUPIED BY THE CONSTRUCTION JOURNAL. AS STATED. THE ZONING IS B THREE. FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL DOWNTOWN. AS REQUIRED FOR THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED PUBLIC NOTICE IN A COMBINATION OF A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY AND NOTICES TO AH! RESIDENTS WITHIN 300 FT OF THE PROPERTY, AND I DO WANT TO STATE THAT THEY DID RE ADVERTISED BECAUSE THE FIRST MEETING WAS SO FAR APART FROM THE SECOND SO THEY DID RE ADVERTISE AT THEIR EXPENSE. DETAILS OF THE PROPOSED PROPOSED USE ITS OVERNIGHT LODGING, DAYCARE, BASIC GROOMING , AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO OUTDOOR DOG PARKS, ONE ON THE EAST SIDE WITH 20 123 100 SQUARE FEET AND ONE ON THE WEST SIDE FOR 6700 AND 50. FT. SITE PLAN AS YOU SEE, UM AND IT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING. THEY DID

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PROVIDE A FLOOR PLAN. IT'S PROBABLY DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO SAY THIS, BUT IT WAS IN YOUR PACKETS AS WELL. TO SHOW WHERE THE DOGS WILL BE HOUSED INDOORS. THE APPLICANT HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, UM, WHICH WAS RECOMMENDED AT THE PRE APPLICATION. THAT MEETING WAS HELD MAY 18TH UM THERE WERE FOUR MAIN CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THOSE WHO ATTENDED TRAFFIC, NOISE, ODOR AND HOURS OF OPERATION. THE APPLICANT HAS MADE AN ATTEMPT TO MITIGATE THESE CONCERNS. UM, THE FIRST NOISE STUDY WAS COMPLETED AUGUST 25TH. UM THIS WAS A AND I'LL HAVE MORE DETAILS ON THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT THIS WAS MADE MODEL STUDY. UM THEY ALSO UPDATED THE NOISE STUDYING NOVEMBER 1ST ON A LIVE LOCATION AT THEIR JUPITER HOT FACILITY. THEY ALSO PROVIDED NARRATIVE OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MANAGE THE WASTE. SO THESE ARE NOISE STUDIES. THE FIRST ONE YOU'LL SEE IS JUST A MODELING THAT IS DONE BY A SOUND EXPERT. UM THIS , THIS FIRST STUDY SHOWED THAT THEY WERE WITHIN THE NOISE CONCERN, AND THEY MODELED IT ON FIVE DOGS AND EACH PARK. THE SECOND NOISE STUDY WAS PERFORMED. I BELIEVE IT WAS IN I THINK IT WAS OCTOBER. AND THEY ACTUALLY WENT ON SITE AT THE JUPITER LOCATION TO SEE TO MODEL NOT MODEL, BUT TO SEE LIVE WHAT THE SOUND WOULD BE. THEY ALSO HAVE HIRED AN EXPERT, WHICH I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT WHO LOOKS AT HOW A FACILITY IS MANAGED. TO UM TO BASICALLY LOOK AT THE OBSERVE THE ANIMALS TO SEE IF THEY'RE IN DISTRESS BEFORE THAT FIRST PART HAS HAPPENED. SO THEIR PHILOSOPHY IS LET'S YOU KNOW, LET'S LET'S REMOVE THE DOG FROM THE SITUATION BEFORE THERE IS AN ISSUE AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT AND THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE IT. HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE BODY LANGUAGE OF THAT DOG. THE SAME DOG, SO OBVIOUSLY THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS UNDER STRESS.

AND THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS AH! RELAXED. AS STATED. THEY HAVE A SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.

THEY'RE GOING TO BAG THE WASTE IMMEDIATELY. THEY REGULARLY EMPTY THE DOG WASTE RECEPTACLES . THEY RELOCATE THE WAIST TO THE DUMPSTER EVERY NIGHT, AND THEY DEODORIZE AND DISINFECT THE OUTDOOR PARKS TWICE DAILY. THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION ARE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. SEVEN A.M. TILL SEVEN PM. WEEKENDS OUTDOOR AREAS , OR EIGHT A.M. TO THREE P.M. AND THEIR LAST WALK FOR OVERNIGHT DOGS IS SEVEN P.M. TILL EIGHT. THAT IS INCORRECT. SEVEN SHOULD BE SEVEN PM UNTIL EIGHT PM THAT'S A MISTAKE. OKAY SO I DID WANT TO STATE FOR THE RECORD. THE CRB, UM, MET IN SEPTEMBER, THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED AT THAT MEETING. THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL HAVE CHANGED SINCE THAT MEETING AND TO BE MORE SPECIFIC. UM, THERE. THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WERE BASED ON THAT FIRST NOISE STUDY, WHICH WAS A MODELING EXERCISE AND NOT ON LIVE DOGS. AND AT THE TIME THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF DOGS TO FIVE ON THE SMALL PARK AND FIVE IN THE LARGE PARK BECAUSE THAT WAS BASED ON THE MODELING THAT THEY DID WERE FIVE DOGS. UM WE, THEY ALSO RECOMMENDED A CONCRETE WALL ON EITHER SIDE OF THE PARK, WHICH THEY HAVE CHANGED THEIR SITE PLAN TO INCLUDE THEY ALSO RECOMMENDED AND THIS IS A CRB. I'M STILL TALKING ABOUT DRAINAGE AREA SYSTEM SIMILAR TO THE ONE OF THE DOG PARK NORTH OF THE BRIDGE NEAR NORTH OVER SHORE'S THEY HAVE AGREED TO MODIFY TO PROVIDE THOSE THAT TYPE OF DRAINAGE SYSTEM IN THEIR FINAL SITE PLAN.

AND THEY ALSO ASKED THE OWNERS TO ENCOURAGE THE DOG OWNERS TO DROP OFF AND PICK OFF THE PICK UP THEIR DOGS. VIZ COLORADO AVENUE, BUT I THINK, AS THE ATTORNEY HAD STATED, WE REALLY CAN'T MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL BECAUSE THESE ARE PUBLIC ROADWAYS, SO YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL PEOPLE HOW TO DRIVE. AM I RIGHT? IS THAT IS THAT DRIVE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN MAKE IT A CONDITION OF LISTEN, BUT WE CAN'T MAKE THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL. WE CAN JUST HAVE THE OWNERS OF THE FACILITY, ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO THAT. BUT IT CAN'T BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IS THAT THE OWNER OF THE FACILITY DOESN'T CONTROL THOSE PEOPLE USING THE ROADS. OKAY COMMISSIONER COLLEGE. SO, UH, IN TERMS OF CRB APPROVAL. I WAS AT THAT MEETING AND FROM WHAT I WAS WHAT I OBSERVED THE CRB DID NOT APPROVE IT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT NOT ENOUGH. OF THE CRB PRESENT. IT WASN'T A SUPERMAJORITY. YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT I THOUGHT THAT

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MIKE SAID THEY COULD STILL MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION SO I WILL LET THE LAWYER EXPLAIN THE L P A.

DID NOT HAVE. I'M SORRY. THE CRB DID NOT HAVE A FULL BOARD, SO I BELIEVE IT WAS SEVEN PEOPLE ON THE BOARD AND THAT THE DAY OF THE HEARING THERE WAS THREE PEOPLE PRESENT CORN RESULT THEY HAD QUORUM AND HAD TO HEARING AND TWO OF THE THREE VOTED YES, BUT TECHNICALLY, IT WOULD TAKE FOUR. SO EVEN IF ALL THREE HAD VOTED YES, IT WOULDN'T HAVE QUALIFIED AS A OKAY AS A BUT THEY'RE AN ADVISORY BOARD SO THEY DON'T PROVE ANYTHING ANYWAY. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THEY APPROVED IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY GRANT ANY PROPERTY RIGHTS TO ANYBODY.

YEAH, 11 HAD TO ABSTAIN BECAUSE THEY HAD A BUSINESS INTEREST IN THE PROJECT. SCHRUFF HAS SO THERE WERE FOUR PEOPLE THERE. BUT ONE HAD ABSTAINED. CORRECT SO, YEAH, AS AS THE ATTORNEY MENTIONED. IT IS ADVISORY SO THERE, YOU KNOW THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY FINAL SAY SO IT'S IN THE HANDS OF THE COMMISSION. UM SO THAT MR MAYOR MASKING QUESTION, OK, ACTUALLY, IF WE CAN WAIT, LET HER FINISH THE PRESENTATION. UM BECAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY WE'D BETTER GET THROUGH AND THEN WE'LL GET TO THE QUESTIONS IF WE CAN BE BEST. OKAY? OKAY SO CONTINUE. YES YES . SO ALSO WHAT? I WANTED TO STATE. UM SINCE THE CRB MEETING , I WANTED TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH ME LITERALLY SINCE THE APPLICATION WAS PUT IN TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE IMPACTS. AND YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR MORE INFORMATION ON THIS, BUT THEY DID HIRE EXPERT AND ANIMAL CARE BUILDING SYSTEMS ENGINEERING. HOW THEY CONTROL NOISE AND HOW THEY MANAGE THE SITE, AND I THINK YOU'LL HEAR FROM THAT EXPERT. UM SO THE PART OF THE STUDY THAT OR THE REPORT THAT THIS EXPERT PROVIDED IS HOW KENNEL DESIGN MANAGEMENT AND OVERALL PHILOSOPHY HAS SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED FROM, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO, WHEN YOU HAD THE INDOOR OUTDOOR RUNS AT, YOU KNOW, AH, WHAT I WANT TO SAY. JUST YEAH, JUST FENCED IN WHERE THEY COULD COME IN AND OUT AS THEY WILL. UM THAT'S NOT HOW THEY'RE DESIGNED ANYMORE.

THEY'RE VERY WELL MANAGED, AND THE PEOPLE THAT MANAGE THEM ARE TRAINED AND CERTIFIED. UM SO AS I HAD STAYED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THE INDUSTRY STANDARD TODAY IS TO IDENTIFY ANY STRESS IN THE DOG AND REDIRECT OR REMOVE THAT DOG FROM THE PLAY AREA BEFORE THE FIRST BARK. SO THE RECOMMENDATION HAS SHIFTED FROM HOW THE HOW THE FACILITY IS MANAGED VERSUS THE FOCUS ON THE FIRST NOISE STUDY, WHICH WAS A MODELING AND NOT ALL ALIVE, NOT ON LIFE DOGS. AH ALSO INCLUDED IN REPORT. UM EACH DOG SO THIS IS A PRIVATE FACILITY. EACH DOG IS EVALUATED TO SEE IF THEY FIT IN WITH THE GROUP AND TO SEE WHICH GROUP THEY FIT IN WITH. IF THEY DON'T FIT INTO ANY GROUP, THEN THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE NOT APPROVED AS A CLIENT, OKAY? UM. AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY ABOUT THAT. SO LET ME MOVE ON TO HOW THE NEW CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO MITIGATE THE CONDUCT CONCERNS. UM AS STATED THE AREA WILL BE A SIX FT HIGH CONCRETE WALL WITH LANDSCAPING. IT'S NOT OFFENSE ANYMORE HOURS OF OPERATION AND THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. I COULD LIST THEM LATER, IF YOU'D LIKE. THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THEM THE NUMBER OF DOGS AND THE OUTDOOR EXERCISE AREA IS BASED ON THE INDUSTRY. STANDARD INDUSTRY STANDARD IS BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE. DEPENDING ON IF IT'S A SMALL DOG OR A LARGE DOG. SO FOR SMALL DOGS, THEY MUST HAVE 40 SQUARE FEET PER DOG. SO BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE RUN THEIR LIMITED TO HOW MANY DOGS FIT AND IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THEY HAVE SAID, AND IN LARGE DOGS. IT'S 100 SQUARE FEET PER DOG, ALSO AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THEY NEED TO HAVE ADOPT IN THEIR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, FEAR FREE STANDARDS. OR SIMILAR, OR YOU KNOW, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE CERTIFICATIONS AND THEIR STAFF HAS TO HAVE THAT CERTIFICATION, AND THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT ALL OF THEIR STAFF IS CERTIFIED IN THIS. THIS PHILOSOPHY OF HOW TO HOW TO MANAGE A FACILITY. AND THAT'S THE LAST OF MY SLIDES. THERE IS AN APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SEE THAT NOW OR YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME. COMMISSIONER RICH ASKED HIS QUESTION NOW. WELL. I WANTED TO ASK YOU BECAUSE COMMISSIONER COLLINS WAS ASKING ABOUT THE CRB MEETING, WHICH I ATTENDED, ALSO AND I ACTUALLY WATCHED IT TODAY. ONLINE THAT THEY WERE VERY

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SPECIFIC. AND, UM WHEN THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, AND AARON ASKED THEM. ARE YOU SAYING FIVE DOGS IN EACH AREA OR 10? AND THEY SAID, OH, NO, NO, NO. FIVE SO COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE END OF THE INDUSTRY STANDARD WOULD INDICATE HOW MANY DOGS WILL BE IN THOSE AREAS NOW. I BELIEVE IF I WONDER IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY , IT IS. YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T WANT TO GUESS. I BUT I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE DONE THAT CALCULATION WHEN THEY DO THEIR PRESENTATION TO SAY IT'S MORE THAN FIVE.

DEFINITELY MORE THAN FIVE. DEFINITELY MORE THAN FIVE. MM HMM. YOU KNOW IT WAS SPOKEN, SAID EARLIER THIS EVENING THAT WE SUPPORT SHOULD SUPPORT STAFF. I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT THOSE BODIES THAT MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US. THIS FEELS LIKE A BIT OF A BAIT AND SWITCH TO ME. AND THEY WERE VERY SPECIFIC AND NOT WANTING MORE THAN FIVE. AND I WILL PICK CLOSE ATTENTION TO THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CRB. OKAY UM, AND BODY AREA ALL THROUGH WITH YOUR I AM THROUGH.

TERRY ARE YOU GOING TO DO YOUR PRESENTATION? WELL I'M GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION. I'M NOT GOING TO DO THIS, UM. TERRY MCCARTHY. FOR THE RECORD. I GOT INVOLVED WITH THIS AFTER THE CRB. HEARING. WHEN I GOT INVOLVED IN IT, THE CLIENT GAVE ME THE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED. AND WHAT CAUGHT MY EYE WAS ALL OF THESE SOUNDS STUDIES. I HAVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND IN THIS IN THAT I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE LOCAL HUMANE SOCIETY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE RUNNING OF THE SHELTER. AND THE CONCEPT. THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A LOT OF NOISE FROM DOGS. I KNOW FROM THE HUMAN SOCIETY. IS BAD FOR DOGS. IT CAUSES STRESS ANXIETY, ETCETERA. IT'S NOT GOOD . SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO RUN ONE OF THESE PLACES, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF DOGS BARKING. YOU'RE GONNA BE OUT OF BUSINESS. UM I SPOKE WITH JUSTIN THE APPLICANT AND SUGGESTING THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE TO DO HERE IS YOU'VE GOT TO GET AN EXPERT AN EXPERT WITNESS, SOMEONE WHO DOES THIS FOR A LIVING. JUSTIN TOOK MY ADVICE ENGAGED, SCOTT LEARNED SCOTT IS HEADQUARTERED IN THE NORTHEAST, BUT HE WORKS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. I KNOW WE'RE DOING SOME WORK AT THE AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY TO REVAMP THE FACILITY. WE'VE ENGAGED IN ARCHITECT OUT OF COLORADO. SO THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DO THIS. AND. JUSTIN ENGAGE SCOTT AND SCOTT HAS COME IN MADE SOME PRESENTATION TO YOUR STAFF, AND THAT WILL BE PART OF THE APPLICANTS PRESENTATION. BUT INITIALLY I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE JUSTIN GET UP AND TELL YOU HIS STORY. IT'S A NICE STORY. JUSTIN IS A RECOVERING LAWYER. HE TOOK A PEEK AT THE LAWN WENT TO THE DOGS. UM BUT HE DOES THIS DOWN IN JUPITER, AND HE'S GOT A REASON TO BE UP HERE, AND HE'S GOT A REASON TO BE HERE TONIGHT. SO WELCOME, JUSTIN. THANKS, MR LANDRY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. UM. CITY ATTORNEY AND MANAGER AND MAYOR. UM MY NAME IS JUSTIN PHILLIPS. I'M THE ONE WHO'S TRYING TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY WITH MY BUSINESS PARTNER, KATIE BURGLE. UM AS TERRY TOLD YOU I WAS A LAWYER BY TRAINING IN ORDER TO PAY MY WAY THROUGH LAW SCHOOL. I WAS A DOG WALKER AND DID PET SITTING ON THE SIDE. WHEN I GRADUATED LAW SCHOOL, I PRACTICED LAW FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THE LONGER I DID IT, THE MORE I REALIZED THAT MY REAL PASSION WAS TAKING CARE OF OTHER PEOPLE'S DOGS. UM THAT I AM A LIFELONG DOG LOVER.

AND THAT IF I CAN FIND A WAY THANKS. IF I CAN FIND A WAY TO DO THAT, AND SERVE COMMUNITY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD JUST MAKE ME SO HAPPY AND BE SUCH A FULFILLING WAIT FOR ME TO SPEND MY CAREER, SO I RELOCATED FROM NEW YORK CITY AND I CAME DOWN HERE 10 YEARS AGO, AND, UH, ABLE TO OPEN A NEW, BETTER KIND OF PET RESORT. UM SO WE OPENED DOGS WORLD SEVEN YEARS AGO IN JUPITER. UM IT'S AN ENTIRE WORLD DEVOTED TO YOUR BEST FRIEND. WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE'RE A LUXURY PET RESORT, SO WE PROVIDE LUXURY BROKE. BOARDING UM, IT'S NOT THE TRADITIONAL KENNEL OR DOG POUND WITH THE INDOOR OUTDOOR FRONTS THAT WERE MENTIONED EARLIER. IT'S CENTERED AROUND A LOT OF ACTIVITIES FOR YOUR DOGS. A LOT OF SOCIAL PLAY FOR YOUR DOGS IN A SUPERVISED ENVIRONMENT. IT'S COMPLETELY FEAR FREE ON FEAR FREE CERTIFIED. KATIE IS FEAR FREE

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CERTIFIED. UM OUR STAFF IS HIGHLY TRAINED IN ORDER TO SUPERVISE THE DOGS. UH SAFELY AND QUIETLY, UM, ARE LODGERS GET FIT, LITTLE EXTRAS THAT A LOT OF PLACES DON'T DO. WE GIVE BEDTIME STORIES AND TUCK THEM INTO BED AT EACH NIGHT IN BED BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY LOWERS THEIR STRESS AND THEIR FEAR LEVEL TO HEAR A HUMAN'S VOICE AND TO GET THAT HUMAN CONTACT, SO OUR STAFF SPENDS 3 TO 5 MINUTES IN THE ROOM WITH EACH LARGER AT NIGHT. AND THE STAFF MEMBER READS THEM A STORY WHILE THEY'RE SITTING WITH THEM CHATTING WITH THEM. WE ALSO DO HOMEMADE DOG TREATS. WE DON'T DO CHOCOLATES ON THE PILLOWS BECAUSE THEY'RE DARK, SO THEY GET A DOGGY TREAT ON THEIR PILLOW. UM, WE MAKE HOMEMADE SNACKS IN HOUSE. WE HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS. WE HAVE PARTIES FOR THEIR FOR THEM ALL THE TIME. WE HAVE HOLIDAY DINNERS. WE DO WE DO. THANKSGIVING TURKEY MEAL. WE ALSO HAVE A SUPERIOR LEVEL OF DOGGIE DAYCARE. UM WHAT MAKES IT BETTER IS THAT, UM IN IN FOLLOWING WITH FEAR FREE PRACTICES. WE HAVE SMALL GROUPS . WE KEEP THE STAFF TO DOG RATIO 15 DOGS TO ONE STAFF OR BETTER, MEANING THAT IF A GROUP IN AN AREA AS EVER MORE THAN 15 DOGS, THERE ARE TWO STAFFERS STAFF MEASURE MET. TWO STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT AND A NUMBER OF STAFF BACKUP STAFF AVAILABLE VIA WALKIE TALKIE. UM SMALLER GROUPS ARE SAFER. SMALLER GROUPS ARE QUIETER BECAUSE THE DOGS ARE PROPERLY STIMULATED. THEY'RE NOT OVERSTIMULATED. THEY'RE NOT HIGHLY STRESSED, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CROWDED. IT. UM THEY'RE NOT BARKING OUT OF STRESS BECAUSE THEY'RE ENGAGED BY A HIGHLY TRAINED STAFF. THEY'RE ALL PRE SCREENED, SO THEY'RE WELL SOCIALIZED DOGS TO BEGIN WITH. THEY ARE ENGAGING IN PLAY AND REST AND PERIODS OF BOTH WITH THE STAFF AND WITH OTHER DOGS. UM WE ALSO OFFER ENRICHMENT ACTIVITIES, SO WE OFFER WATER PLAY FEATURES WITH POOLS, SQUIRT GUNS, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE DO AGILITY GAMES WITH THE DOGS. WE OFFER THEM TREAT PUZZLES. WE LIKE TO KEEP THE DOGS MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY STIMULATED, WHICH IS JUST ANOTHER WAY OF MAKING SURE THEY'RE HAPPY. THEY HAVE A FULFILLING TIME AND OUR CLIENTS ARE REALLY HAPPY AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN THEY PICK UP OUR DOGS. UM THEIR DOGS. WE HAVE A EXCEPTIONAL SPA WHERE WE DO THINGS LIKE PEDICURES, BLUEBERRY FACIALS, BUT BASICALLY MOSTLY WE DO BATHS AND BLOWOUTS AND BRUSH OUT TO THE DOGS LOOK AND SMELL GREAT WHEN THEY GO HOME, UM AND THEY AND THEIR YOU KNOW THEIR THEIR HUMANS LOVE TO SEE HOW THEY'RE FOR KIDS. COME HOME. SO THE REASON WHY WE DO THIS ALL BECAUSE OF MY UNIQUE PET CARE PHILOSOPHY. WHICH IS CALLED THE DOG LIFESTYLE. THE DOG LIFESTYLE , UH, RECOGNIZES THAT OUR DOGS ARE NOT JUST PETS OR ACCESSORIES , BUT FULL FLEDGED FAMILY MEMBERS FOR WHOM WE WANT THE VERY BEST. THERE ARE NO OTHER DOGS, OTHER PETS THAT WE TAKE OUT WITHIN THE WORLD WHERE THAT'S INCLUDED IN OUR LIVES AS MUCH AS DOGS. WE WANT THEM TO LIVE THE HAPPIEST AND MOST ENRICHING LIVES AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT LIKE US, THEY ARE SO EXTREMELY SOCIAL ANIMALS AND WHEN THEY HAVE TO BE APART FROM THEM. UH THEY WE MISS THEM AND KNOW HOW MUCH THEY MISS US. SO OUR MISSION TO DOGS WORLD IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR DOG IS HAVING THE MOST FUN FULFILLING TIME IN THE SAFEST ENVIRONMENT POSSIBLE. UM IN ORDER THAT SO OUR DOGS AND OUR CLIENTS CAN LIVE THE DOG LIFESTYLE TO THE FOREST. SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO IS BRINGING ARE EXTREMELY HIGH LEVEL OF CARE AND, UH, EXTREMELY HIGH FULFILLMENT OF BOTH ARE FOR GUESTS AND OUR CLIENTS AND THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE TO HERE IN STUART, BECAUSE WE THINK THERE'S A HUGE DEMAND FOR BUSINESSES LIKE OURS IN THE COMMUNITY. IT'S A I'M SORRY. CAN I TAKE A SIMPLE WATER? I YES. YEAH I'M THINKING REAL MOMENT. YOU'RE FINE. TAKE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM. AS AS MISS LANDRY SAID. THIS IS A COMMERCIAL AREA ON THREE SIDES OF OUR PROPERTY. UM IT. WE HAVE OFFICES. WE HAVE RETAIL. WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL. WE HAVE HOTEL. WE HAVE HUMAN DAYCARE, AND WE HAVE RESTAURANTS. ALL RIGHT IN THAT AREA, SO WHERE WE FIT IN, REALLY WITH THE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS OF THE AREA WHERE WE'RE GOING ALSO, YOU'D BE BRINGING IN A THRIVING GROWING INDUSTRY WITH HIGH LOCAL DEMAND AND OFFERING TRULY FIVE STAR LUXURY SERVICE. THAT THE COMMUNITY AND CITY OF STEWART DOESN'T YET HAVE. UM. MS LANDRY SPOKE TO THE CHANGES DECIDED TO THE SIDE AND I THINK WE HAVE A SLIDE SHOWING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE VERY LITTLE DONE TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. WHAT YOU SEE IS THE CONCRETE WALL, WHICH WILL NOT ONLY DAMPEN NOISE COMING FROM THE DOG PARK. IT WILL SHELTER THE DOGS FROM THE NOISE AND VISUAL STIMULI FROM OUTSIDE THE OUTSIDE WORLD. MEANING THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE STRESS FEED, MEANING THEY'RE GOING TO BE QUIETER AS WELL. WE'VE ALSO

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AGREED TO A BUNCH OF AESTHETIC THINGS LIKE THE VINES AND A COUPLE OF ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS TO MAKE SURE IT'S TOTALLY COMPORTS WITH THE AESTHETICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ADDS TO IT.

UM THE SITE PLAN. I'LL JUST QUICKLY REITERATE. OUR BUILDING IS THE BIG RECTANGLE IN THE MIDDLE. THAT'S ROLL ALL THE INDOOR PLAY. ALL ALL THE HOUSING OF THE DOGS WILL BE OVERNIGHT.

THE RECTANGLE ON THE LEFT WILL BE OUR OUT. OUR MAY ARE LARGE OUTSIDE DOG PARK WITH A SIX FT CONCRETE BLOCK WALL AROUND IT. IT'LL BE ARTIFICIALLY TURFED, CLEAN AND SANITIZED REGULARLY. A SMALL DOG DOG PARK IS AT THE OTHER END OF THE BUILDING. UM. NEXT SLIDE IS OPERATIONS ABOUT HOURS OPERATIONS. MISS LANDRY REALLY WENT OVER ALL THIS. I'M NOT SURE I HAVE MUCH TO SAY ABOUT THAT UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME. UM AND AGAIN JUST TO REITERATE, REITERATE, WE DO FEARFULLY FEAR FREE GROUP PLAY, SO OUR GROUP SIZES ARE SMALL. THEREFORE THEY'RE SAFER.

THEREFORE, THEY'RE QUIET. ALL OF OUR STAFF IS TRAINED FOR THREE WEEKS. THEY HAVE TO GET CERTIFICATION THAT THEY UNDERSTAND HOW TO READ THE DOG BODY LANGUAGE AND PREEMPTIVELY ACT BEFORE A DOG GETS HIGHLY STRESSED AND BECOMES HIGHLY VOCAL. THE NEXT IS ALL OF OUR PRESTIGIOUS AWARDS TO HAVE WON BEST PET RESORT IN PALM BEACH COUNTY. TWO OF THE LAST THREE YEARS WERE NOMINATED AGAIN FOR 2022. WE'VE WON BEST PEP RESORT IN JUPITER. FOR SEVEN STRAIGHT YEARS SINCE 2016 THROUGH 2021. P P. B. C IS OUR CERTIFICATION PROGRAM FOR OUR STAFF ALSO FEAR FREE CERTIFICATION. AS I MENTIONED KATIE AND I ARE BOTH CERTIFIED THAT REMEMBER OF THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU WITH AN A PLUS RATING. SO FOR ALL OF THESE REASONS AND MORE WE OH, SORRY.

WE ALSO GIVE BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY. UM OUR LARGEST DONATION DRIVE IS FOR THE UNITED STATES WAR DOGS ASSOCIATION. WE ARE THEIR SINGLE LARGEST DONOR AND HAVE BEEN FOR FOUR STRAIGHT YEARS WE'VE DONATED OVER $40,000 IN ORDER TO HELP FIND FOREVER HOMES FOR RETIRING WAR DOGS. UM THE HANDLERS ARE NEVER ALLOWED TO KEEP THEM WHEN THEY BOTH MATRICULATE OUT OF THE MILITARY . WE ALSO WORK WITH LOCAL HUMANE SOCIETIES AND ANIMAL RESCUES, AND WE DONATE A PORTION OF OUR PROFITS WERE HEAVILY INVESTED IN BEING A POSITIVE FORCE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN, UM. FOR ALL THESE REASONS AND MORE, WE KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE A GREAT FIT WITH MINIMUM IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. BUT I'M AN INTERLOPER AND A FORMER LAWYER FROM NEW YORK SO I THINK BETTER TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT, TO ME WOULD BE MISS BERNALL, WHO WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE. SMART MAN. I'M SURE. THANK YOU, JUSTIN . I'M KATIE. UM AND PROBABLY THE BIGGEST QUESTION YOU GUYS ARE ASKING IS WHY STEWART? WHY SHOULD OUR NEXT LOCATION BE THERE? AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN STUART. I WENT TO BESSIE CREEK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, HIDDEN IN MIDDLE SCHOOL AND GRADUATED FROM MARK COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL. TIGERS UM, WE'RE EXCITED TO ADD THIS LUXURY PET RESORT WHICH OUR TOWN I FEEL IT'S REALLY LACKING. UM MY FRIENDS, MY NEIGHBORS. MY EMPLOYEES ARE CONSTANTLY ASKING ME. EXCUSE ME. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO COME TO STEWART? AND WE ARE A LUXURY ACTIVITY BASIS, JUSTIN SAID. YOU KNOW, WE DO THINGS UNLIKE ALL THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT ARE AROUND, SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT OUR COMMUNITY DESPERATELY NEEDS. UM WE'LL BE ADDING 30 TO 50 NEW JOBS, TOO. PEOPLE MY AGE THAT ARE LOCALS AROUND IN OUR COMMUNITY. UM BUT WE ARE DEEMED IN ESSENTIAL BUSINESS. WE WORKED THROUGH THE PANDEMIC. UM, YOU KNOW, WE HELPED ESPECIALLY WITH JUPITER MEDICAL CENTER, ANY OF THE FRONTLINE WORKERS HELPING TAKE CARE OF THEIR DOGS WHILE THEY WORKED LONG HOURS. UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE SPECIFICALLY CHOSEN THIS BUILDING BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE A FULL BACKUP GENERATOR. IT'S HURRICANE SAFE, SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A FACILITY AND SHELTER FOR DOGS AND PEOPLE DO HAVE TO EVACUATE FOR HURRICANE AND MAY ARE ON THE FENCE ABOUT EXCUSE ME ABOUT LEAVING BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THEIR DOGS, SO WE WANT TO MAKE THAT AS AN OPTION FOR IN THE COMMUNITY. SO I HOPE YOU CAN SEE NOW WE ARE AN ESSENTIAL BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND NEXT WEEK, SCOTT LEARNED WHO IS THE PRESIDENT, PRINCIPAL ENGINEER OF DESIGN LEARNING INQUIRY. WELCOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

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IT'S GREAT TO BE BACK IN FLORIDA. I WAS HERE TWO WEEKS AGO. I'M SCOTT LEARNED. UM I'M PERSONALLY FROM CONNECTICUT, UM , LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN FLORIDA AND 44 OTHER STATES.

WE WORK ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES FOR 30 YEARS. 29 YEARS, ALMOST 30 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN DESIGNING AND ENGINEERING ANIMAL CARE FACILITIES EXCLUSIVELY ANIMAL SHELTERS. KENNELS BOARDING FACILITIES, DAYCARE FACILITIES AND VETERINARY HOSPITALS. WE ALSO FOR THE RECORD, WE DO HAVE AN OFFICE IN PENSACOLA. SO UM, WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE FLORIDIAN ON OUR TEAM.

UM ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES AND I WON'T BEND YOUR EARS TOO LONG. I KNOW IT'S LATE, BUT THINGS HAVE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THE LAST 30 YEARS SINCE I STARTED THIS WHEN I STARTED THIS, WE WERE LOOKING AT BOARDING FACILITIES AND DOG POUNDS WITH INDOOR OUTDOOR RUNS WITH UNSUPERVISED ANIMALS THAT WERE BARKING ALL DAY LONG. THAT IS A VERY BAD SITUATION FOR THE DOGS ALONE, LET ALONE PEOPLE AND CUSTOMERS, AND TODAY WE USE A WHOLE DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY. ANIMALS ARE SUPERVISED VERY CLOSELY. INDUSTRY STANDARDS ARE NO MORE THAN 10 TO 15 DOGS PER GROUP.

WOULD WANT TO SUPERVISORS YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY BONNIE ILLUSTRATED THE THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SIZE OF AREAS. 40 SQUARE FEET MINIMUM PER SMALL DOG UP TO 100 SQUARE FEET MINIMUM FOR LARGE DOG. IF YOU DO THE MATH ON THOSE SITUATIONS, YOU WILL KNOW THAT THAT IS, THOSE ARE SMALLER AREAS THAN WHAT JUSTIN HAS FOR THOSE LARGE RECTANGLES. THOSE AREAS WILL BE SUBDIVIDED INTO SMALLER GROUPINGS, AND I'VE SEEN HIS FACILITY IN JUPITER. THAT HAS EXACTLY THAT CONDITION AND THAT IS A CONDITION IN ALL OF OUR BOARDING AND DAY CARE IN SITUATIONS SMALLER AREAS WITH SUPERVISED GROUPS WITH DOGS THAT ARE GROUPED TOGETHER BASED ON SIZE TEMPERAMENT. AND SOMETHING CALLED PLAY STYLE, WHICH IS THE WAY THE DOGS INTERACT TOGETHER.

THE SECOND THING IS REALLY CRITICAL. AND JUSTIN ALLUDED TO THIS IS THE FACT THAT THESE ANIMALS ARE EVALUATED BY OUR CLIENTS BEFORE THEY COME IN. IT'S SIMPLY NOT THE CASE THAT YOU CAN TAKE ANYBODY'S DOG INTO YOUR FACILITY. THAT DOG IS VERY LIKELY TO BE AGGRESSIVE AGGRESSION IS WHAT LEADS AGGRESSION AND WHAT'S CALLED GUARDING WHEN, WHEN A DOG TRIES TO PROTECT A TOY OR PROTECT FOOD . THAT'S WHAT INITIATES BARKING. THAT'S WHAT INITIATES AGGRESSION. SO THESE ANIMALS ARE GROUPED IN SMALLER GROUPS BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THEIR COMPLETELY SUPERVISED IF AN ANIMAL BEGINS TO VOCALIZE, THAT'S NOT EVEN BARKING. THAT'S YELPING BEGINNING TO VOCALIZE. THE DOG IS SEPARATED FROM THE GROUP AND BROUGHT INSIDE TO A TO A HOLDING AREA TIME OUT AREA, WHICH IS ISOLATED FROM THE SPACE. WE DON'T EVEN DESIGNED TIME OUT AREAS ANYMORE IN PROXIMITY TO THE PLAYERS. THEY'RE LITERALLY PHYSICALLY SEPARATED INSIDE THE BUILDING. SO WHEN YOU GO TO ONE OF THESE FACILITIES, AND I'VE SEEN THIS IN PRACTICE AND JUSTIN'S JUPITER FACILITY, A LOT OF DOGS ARE PLAYING AND THERE IS NO BARKING.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO KEEP THE STRESS DOWN TO KEEP THE DOGS HAPPY AND KEEP THEM IN THAT CYCLE OF PLAY AND REST BETWEEN THOSE TWO AREAS AND KEEPING THEM YOU KNOW, IN A STATE THAT THEY ARE NOT BECOMING AGGRESSIVE OR GUARDING. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT GOES INTO THIS IS A LOT OF SUPERVISION THAT GOES INTO THIS TODAY. A LOT OF SCIENCE GOES INTO IT. UM FEAR FREE IS A PROGRAM THAT WAS DEVELOPED OR VETERINARIAN NAMED MARTY BECKER. I KNOW I'VE MET MARTY BECKER AND THE WHOLE STRATEGY FOR BOTH DOGS AND CATS, BY THE WAY, WAS TO DEVELOP PROTOCOLS SPECIFICALLY FOR EXCUSE ME FOR ANIMAL CARE FACILITIES. SO THAT ANIMALS WOULD NOT BE STRESSED. AND FINALLY I WANT TO SAY THAT, UM OWNERS DO NOT WANT THEIR PET RETURNED TO THEM IN A STRESSED MANNER. YOU WANT TO DROP? PEOPLE ARE PAYING A LOT OF MONEY FOR THESE ANIMALS TO BE IN A HIGH QUALITY BOARDING OR DAY CARE FACILITY. THEY DON'T EXPECT THE ANIMAL TO COME HOME BEING HIGH, STRONG AND STRESSED AND BARKING AND YIPPING. THAT'S NOT THE GOAL . THE GOAL IS TO KEEP THESE ANIMALS VERY WELL SUPERVISED DURING THE COURSE OF THE DAY AND VERY WELL RESTED. SO IN OUR DESIGN PHILOSOPHY, WHICH STARTS WITH THE FLOOR PLANNING AND SMALLER GROUPINGS AND GOES THROUGH EVERYTHING, INCLUDING PROTOCOLS, STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES AND STAFF TRAINING. THAT'S OUR APPROACH. I DIDN'T. I WILL TELL YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST GIVE JUSTIN KATIE CREDIT FOR CONTACTING US. THIS IS THE KIND OF CLIENT THAT WE WANT.

THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THEIR FACILITY. AND IF YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE A

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DOG FACILITY IN YOUR TOWN. THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF OWNER YOU WANT. NOT SOMEBODY WHO'S YOU KNOW, A MOM AND POP OPERATION. WITH 50 DOGS IN THE GARAGE, AND I'M NOT BEING FACETIOUS OF LITERALLY SEEN THAT KIND OF SITUATION. YOU WANT SOMEBODY WHO IS VERY ATTUNED TO PROPER CARE AND TREATMENT OF DOGS AND HOW THEY WILL REACT. IN THOSE SITUATIONS. SO WITH THAT I WILL.

LEAVE IT TO ANY QUESTIONS HAPPY TO ADDRESS SUNDAY THINKING. DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR RICH. YOU PROVIDE. I DID, AND THEY SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET. UH UM. NO, I THINK THAT WAS THE ACOUSTICAL CONSULTANT. NO, BUT HIS HIS IS IN THERE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ON HIS LETTERHEAD. YES, I'M SORRY. YES, DLR. WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO WHAT SORT OF CHEMICALS WOULD BE USED TO DISINFECT? I CAN FOR. IN FACT, THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT WE DESIGN BECAUSE WE DO ALL OF THE INTERIOR DESIGN AND PLANNING AS WELL AS THE MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL PLUMBING, FIRE PROTECTION AND NOISE CONTROL ENGINEERING. SO WE DO ALL THE BLUEPRINTS INSIDE THE BUILDING, UM, FOR CHEMICAL CONTROL. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS ALSO THAT I WANT TO MENTION UM JUSTIN MENTIONED BEGGING WASTE. WE MAY EVEN GO TO A SYSTEM THAT WE USE TODAY FOR WASTE REMOVAL USING FLUSH FIXTURES WHERE WE'RE WASTED, SCOOPED AND FLUSHED. AND REMOVED FROM THE SITE IMMEDIATELY, SO YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE ODOR OF BAGGING WAYS FLUSHED. DOWN A JANITOR'S FLUSH. THINK LIKE AN OVERSIZED TOILET, RIGHT? RIGHT GOES INTO THE SEPTIC SYSTEM TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT CHEMICALS. THE BEST CHOICES TODAY ARE WHAT ARE CALLED ACCELERATED HYDROGEN PEROXIDE. H P S. THEY USED MEDICAL FACILITIES A LOT.

THEY'RE USED IN ALL OVER AN ANIMAL CARE. THAT ARE QUATERNARY DISINFECTANTS. UM HP S ACT VERY QUICKLY. UM, THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT ODOR CONTROL DISEASE CONTROL ON SURFACES. COUPLE THAT WITH THE HUMIDIFIER CATION CONTROL IN THE BUILDING BECAUSE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE OUTDOORS, SORT OF TURF. RIGHT WHAT KIND OF CHEMICALS DO YOU KNOW WILL BE USED FOR CERTAIN? SO I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, AND I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THE SPECIFICS OUTDOORS. WE DO NOT USE HP OR QUATERNARY DISINFECTANT BECAUSE IT WILL IMPACT THE NATURAL BACTERIAL. UL AND BACTERIA IN THE SOIL SO OUTSIDE WE USE PRODUCTS LIKE UH , THERE ARE A WHOLE LITANY OF PRODUCTS THAT ARE DISINFECTANTS THAT ARE. UM ECO FRIENDLY THE BREAKDOWN IN THE SOIL. AND UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE NAME OF ONE OF THEM. NOW THEY'RE SOLD BY A COMPANY CALLED HEALTH TECHNOLOGY. IN CALIFORNIA. THAT MAKES THEM JUSTIN. DO YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'LL BE USING? SO THE SANITATION UH, THE DEODORIZING AND, UM, DISINFECTING SYSTEM USES IS COMMERCIALLY KNOWN AS WHISKEY, WASH. IT USES IT ATTACHES TO A HOSE. THERE'S A CAPITAL IT THAT RELEASES THE FACT AND THE DEODORANT INTO THE WATER AND CONTROLLED STREAM. AND YOU HOSE DOWN THE TURF. IT IS THE EXACT SAME CHEMICAL THAT, UH , MUNICIPALITIES USED TO DO WATER TREATMENT WITH SO IT'S 100% ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY BREAKS DOWN ALMOST INSTANTANEOUSLY. AFTER DOING ITS WORK, IT'S BEEN IN USE IN ANIMAL CARE FACILITIES AND IN THE TREATMENT OF WATER FOR 40 50, OR YOU KNOW WHAT CHEMICALS THAT COULD GOOGLE IT IN TWO SECONDS AND GET IT FOR YOU. BUT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. IT'S NO OKAY. BUT I KNOW THAT IT'S 100% ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE THAT IT BREAKS DOWN AND THAT IT'S USED IN WATER TREATMENT AS WELL AS ANIMAL CARE AND VETERINARY FACILITIES AND HAS BEEN USED SAFELY FOR DECADES. FROM WHAT I COULD FIND. IT SEEMED TO BE CHLORINE BASED. IT'S. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION, BUT I THINK IT'S RELATED. IT'S CHLORINE ANALOG, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY CHLORINE, BUT THEY IT IS HAS A SOMEWHAT SIMILAR UM, CHEMICAL MAKEUP IS THE BEST. I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE AFTERNOON? WITH REGARDS TO THE NUMBER OF

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DOGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN EACH ONE OF THOSE TWO. PADS THERE OUTSIDE. IS THERE SOME SORT OF CONDITIONAL USED THAT THEY WERE LIMITED TO YEAH. YEAH. SO THE TWO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. IS THAT THE NUMBER OF DOGS ARE BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. AS I SAID BEFORE, AND ALSO I DIDN'T HAVE THAT ON MY SUMMARY SLIDE, THE RATIO OF DOG SUPERVISION WILL MEET OR EXCEED INDUSTRY STANDARDS FOR ONE PERSON FOR EVERY 10 TO $15 DOGS , WITH A SECOND PERSON AVAILABLE TO REMOVE OVERLY AGGRESSIVE OR STRESS DOGS, SO IT'S 40 SQUARE FEET PER SMALL DOG AND 100 SQUARE FEET FOR EACH LARGE DOG. SO NOW THAT SPECIFIC NUMBER OF DOGS PER AREA. YEAH LET US CLARIFY THAT, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE. ALL THESE DOGS ARE NOT GOING TO BE IN ONE AREA. THERE'S TWO THE OUTSIDE, RIGHT. BUT IF YOU TAKE EITHER ONE OF THOSE TWO RECTANGLES THAT YOU SAW ON THE SITE PLAN. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE SUBDIVIDED INTO MULTIPLE, SMALLER ZONES. SO AGAIN, UM IF YOU HAD A SMALL DOG PLAY AREA AND YOU KEPT IT TO 40 DOGS AND YOU WERE GOING TO DO 10 DOGS IN IT. THAT'S 400 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S THE SIZE OF THAT PLAY AREA. SO TO THE QUESTION, WE DON'T HAVE A TECHNICAL. THE CRB DIDN'T RECOMMEND A NUMBER OF DOGS PER AREA, I ONLY ASKED IS THE DID WAS BASED ON FIVE THEY DID SO AND I WANT TO STATE AGAIN FOR THE RECORD THAT THAT WAS BASED ON A MODELING NOISE, STUDY AND NOT ALIVE. NOISE STUDY AND NOT M PRIOR TO THEY'RE CONTRACTING WITH THIS EXPERT, SO THERE THE DOGS WERE LIMITED TO FIVE IN THE SMALL AND FIVE IN THE LARGE AND THAT WAS THE THERAPIES, RECOMMENDATION AND STAFFS AT THE TIME. I. ALSO JUST FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT. WE DON'T WANT ONE DOG BARKING INCESSANTLY , LET ALONE FIVE OR 10 OR 50.

IT'S YOU IF YOU HAD FIVE DOGS BARKING INCESSANTLY. YOU ARE NOT SUPERVISING THOSE ANIMALS AND THEY'RE NOT BEING CARED FOR PROPERLY. SO IT THE INDUSTRY WOULD TYPICALLY SAY 10 TO 15 DOGS PER PHYSICAL PLAY YARD. AND THAT'S A PHYSICAL PLAY YARD. THAT MEANS YOU KNOW? WHAT I'M ASKING IS A PART OF WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO APPROVE, LIMITING THEM TO FIVE AND FIVE IS THAT IS NOT IN MY CURRENT STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT HAS CHANGED BECAUSE OF THE EXPERT BECAUSE THEY HIRE YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID , I MET WITH THE APPLICANT MANY TIMES. THAT'S WHY THIS ITEM HAS BEEN CONTINUED SO MANY TIMES THAT THEY HAD TO RE ADVERTISE. BECAUSE THE CRB MEETING WAS IN SEPTEMBER, AND WE'RE JUST NOW HEARING NOVEMBER SO UM, A LOT HAS CHANGED. THE NOISE STUDY HAS CHANGED. THE NOISE STUDY THEY DID WAS BASED ON LIFE DOGS. IT'S NOT A MODELING. WAS IT WITH THIS WITH A SPECIFIC NUMBER? SPEAK TO THAT COUNCIL MEMBER. SO, UH, WHAT WE DID WAS WE HAD A SOUND ENGINEER COME AND HE SET UP THE SOUND EQUIPMENT DIRECTLY OUTSIDE OUR FACILITY IN JUPITER, ITS CHAIN LINK FENCE. THERE IS NO. SIX FT CONCRETE BARRIER TO PREVENT SOUND FROM COMING INSIDE OR OUTSIDE, AND HE DID A RAW CALCULUS OF OUR NORMAL STANDARD OPERATIONS ARE STANDARD OPERATIONS ARE TO HAVE ONE GROUP IN AN AREA AT A TIME, SO IT'S GOING TO BE AROUND 10 TO 15 DOGS IN AN AREA AT A TIME. BUT I THINK THE LARGEST WE ALSO PUSHED THAT FOR THE SPECIFICS OF THE STUDY, SO THAT WE COULD SORT OF PROVE OUR THESIS, WHICH IS IT'S NOT A FUNCTION OF. IF YOU HAVE MORE DOGS, YOU YOU HAVE MORE BARKING IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT SPACE IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT PROCEDURES IN PLACE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. SO THEORETICALLY WHAT WE DO. WHAT WE DO TYPICALLY IS WE WON RUN GROUP IN AN AREA THAT TIME. THAT GROUP IS $15 OR LESS IN THE STUDY. I BELIEVE WHAT WE GOT UP TO ABOUT 22 23 DOGS IN ONE SPACE AT A TIME AND AT NO POINT DURING THE STUDY, WHICH WAS CONDUCTED OVER A WEEK. 24 HOURS A DAY RECORDING SOUND. DID WE EVER EVER GO ABOVE THE NOISE ORDINANCE LEVEL IT IS PRESCRIBED BY THE NOISE ORDINANCE, BUT IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT NEBULOUS FOR ME BECAUSE IT WENT FROM THAT WHERE THERE WAS FIVE TO SORT OF WE'RE UNDER NOISE ORDINANCE, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE, OKAY, MAYBE I CAN INTERJECT I JUST BECAUSE YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE THE SLIDE, BUT THE FIRST STUDY WAS DONE ON A MODELING, SO THERE WERE NO LIVE ANIMALS AT ALL THE TABLE ON THE RIGHT WHICH I APOLOGIZE IS VERY SMALL HAS A HAS A RANGE OF DOGS, AND I THINK THE HIGHEST NUMBER THAT THEY STUDIED WAS 54. AND IT WENT DOWN TO SIX. SO OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBERS OF AND THAT'S THE NUMBER OF DOGS PER HOUR. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT THAT'S IN, YOU KNOW, IN OUR AT THE TIME, SO IT'S BASED ON HOW MANY DOGS PER HOUR THAT THEY

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MEASURED AND AT NO TIME DID THEY EXCEED THE NOISE LIMIT. FOR THE YOU KNOW, FOR THE FOUR NIGHTS LET ME ADD TO THE FACT THAT THE CRB UNDER STAFF. DON'T PROCLAIM TO BE EXPERTS IN THIS AREA OF THE OF LANDINGS. THAT'S WHY I SAID. DISCARD TO, UH, JUSTIN, YOU GOTTA GET AN EXPERT IN HERE.

BECAUSE I KNOW JUST FOR MY LITTLE EXPOSURE. THAT. THAT YOU NEED SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS TO DICTATE HOW MANY DOGS HOW MUCH SPACE HAVE PICTURED B. YES. IN THIS CASE. AND I THINK I CAN SPEAK TO SO WHY THIS STUDIES WERE DIFFERENT.

WE NEVER PROPOSED. A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF DOGS FOR THE OUTDOOR THE PURPOSE OF THE FIRST STUDY, AND IT WAS DONE QUICKLY OR THE MODELING, I SHOULD SAY WAS THE SHOW EVEN IF ONE WERE TO HAVE FIVE DOGS BARKING SIMULTANEOUSLY . THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM FOR ANY RESIDENTS WITHIN OUR PROPERTY. I UNDERSTAND HOW, HOWEVER, I WOULD I ALWAYS WANTED TO DO AND WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WHEN THE CRB KIND OF LATCHED ONTO THAT, AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, SO FIVE CAN BE THE LIMIT. AND WE SAID NO, NO, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING. RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT OUT AND CONDUCTED A REAL WORLD STUDY TO PROVE THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT A FUNCTION OF HOW MANY DOGS ARE IN THE SPACE. HOWEVER, WE AS A YOU KNOW , A LUXURY WELL RUN OPERATION. WE HAVE STANDARDS. INTERNAL STANDARDS. 15 DOGS, A GROUP WHERE WE DON'T CROSS OVER, BUT IT'S NOT A FUNCTION OF HOW MANY DOGS IT'S A BUNCH OF HOW WELL THE GROUP IS RUN. SO WE READ, SO WE SPECIFICALLY SET OUT TO MAKE A STUDY. THEY COULD SHOW THAT WHAT WE WERE SAYING WAS VERIFIABLE AND WAS VALID. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. OKAY I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE CHEMICALS USED AND BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE DOING THIS TREATMENT TWICE A DAY, CORRECT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. HOW ARE YOU MITIGATING? WITH THE PROXIMITY TO FRASURE CREEK. SO ARE YOU MITIGATING THAT WHATEVER YOU'RE SPRAYING, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE YET WHAT IT IS, ISN'T GOING TO END UP. SOMEHOW GOING INTO THE GROUND AND IT FRASURE CREEK THERE. MY UNDERSTANDING FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS AND FROM SAI POLAND, AND I WORKED WITH LANDSCAPE ARTICLE IS THAT NONE OF IT GETS IT'S FRASIER, GREEK.

ALL OF ANYTHING DONE ON THE FACILITY IS ABSORBED INTO THE GROUND DIRECTLY BELOW THE FACILITY. BUT ALSO AGAIN. THESE AREN'T HARSH CHEMICALS. THIS IS A SAME CHEMICAL THAT IS USED TO TREAT MUNICIPAL WATER IN WATER TREATMENT PLANTS, SO IT'S PERFECTLY SAFE TO GO AND I AND I BELIEVE IT BREAKS DOWN ALMOST IMMEDIATELY, SO NOTHING. WE'RE NOT REALLY AT PUTTING ANYTHING INTO FRASURE CREEK TO SPEAK OF. THAT'S THAT'S IT FOR ME RIGHT NOW. OKAY. UM, MR RICH. UM ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER COLLEGES NOT ASKING YOU A DIFFICULT QUESTION HERE. HE'S SAYING SO. YOU'RE SAYING THE ONE SMALL DOG PARK. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IS 2300 SQUARE FOOT CORRECT SQUARE FEET . IS THAT CORRECT? YOU CAN PUT A DOG IN 40 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S YOUR THAT YOU'RE WORKING. LIMIT IS THAT CORRECT? SMALL DOGS SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST 40 SQUARE FEET. SO YOU COULD HAVE 57 DOGS IN THAT AREA AT ANY ONE TIME. I'M NOT SURE I FOLLOW. THAT WOULD BE 2300 DIVIDED BY 40.

RIGHT BUT WE'RE NOT. OUR STANDARDS AREN'T TO DO THAT. WE NEVER DO THAT. NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS. YOU'RE NOT ALL YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT GIVING US THE NUMBER. ALL YOU'RE SAYING IS INDUSTRY STANDARD, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INDUSTRY STANDARD GROUPS ARE. THE ONLY THING YOU'VE SAID IS A DOG PURPOSE. 40 SQUARE FEET IS WHAT YOU CAN TO 15 DOGS IS CONSIDERED MAXIMUM PER SUPERVISED. PER PERSON SUPERVISING DOGS. AND I ALSO MENTIONED BEFORE THAT THAT WE THAT AREA WOULD BE SUBDIVIDED INTO SMALLER SUB. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE SUBDIVIDING IT. BUT I MEAN, THAT'S YOU HAVE 2300 SQUARE FEET. IF YOU WANT TO SUBDIVIDE IT INTO ITS, YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH THE SAME NUMBER. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU SUBDIVIDED. IT DOES FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, BECAUSE AGAIN WHEN YOU'RE KEEPING THE DOG GROUP TO TEND TO 15 DOGS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY OF THE EXCESSIVE. YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO PUT MORE THAN 10 TO 15 DOGS IN 2300 SQUARE FEET. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE'RE GOING TO NOT PUT YES, IN EFFECT. I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE THE 24 THE PICTURES WITH IT DON'T SHOW YOU

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COUNCILMAN IS THAT WE THAT. AREA WILL BE SUBDIVIDED SO A GROUP WOULD BE IN ONE AREA COMPLETELY ISOLATED FROM ANOTHER GROUP. 10 TO 15 DOGS. THAT WOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT AREA BECAUSE YOU'RE LIMITING THE GROUPS TEND TO BE UNDER THIS. ARE THEY ALL GOING TO BE IN THAT SAME 2300 SQUARE FOOT AREA? BASICALLY. THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN DIFFERENT AREAS. THAT ARE SUBDIVIDED. INTO THAT.

AREA I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE I'M TRYING TO ANSWER HIS BEST, AND I'M BEING AS HONEST AS I CAN.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN ONE AREA. NO. THAT'S THE ANSWER IS NO, THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU PUT TAPE ON THE GROUND. AND HOW DOES THE DOG KNOWS THEY CAN'T PUT SOLID BARRIERS THAT THE DOGS CAN'T SEE. BEYOND AND ABOVE THEIR HEIGHT. AND I MEAN, IF YOU'RE BASICALLY MAKING SEPARATE, OKAY , I UNDERSTAND. OKAY WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT CAN BE IN THAT 2300 SQUARE FOOT AREA? IT'S NOT A NUMBER OF WE WOULD EVER APPROACH IF WE MOST PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY DO WITH THE TWO RUN TWO GROUPS SIMULTANEOUSLY INTO SUBDIVIDED AREAS ON THAT SIDE OF THE DOCTOR. OKAY I WANT YOU. I WANT TO TALK. STOP TALKING ABOUT SUBDIVISIONS. I WANT TO TALK IN THAT AREA THAT 23 BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A DIVIDED ON MY WHAT ? I'M LOOKING AT 2300 SQUARE FOOT SMALL PROPOSED SMALL DOG PARK. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO BREAK THOSE GROUPS UP. WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DOGS BEING THERE AT ONE TIME? OUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE IS TO RUN ONE GROUP IN AN AREA SIMULTANEOUSLY AND NOT TO RUN MORE THAN THREE GROUPS OUT OF DOORS SIMULTANEOUSLY. FOR TO KEEP EVERYTHING SAFE AND FOR STAFF GOING TO SAY 30. IS THAT AN UNREASONABLE NUMBER 30 WOULD BE SUBDIVIDED INTO TWO DIFFERENT AREAS. AND AGAIN, THE POINT IS, IT'S NOT THE NUMBER OF GONNA JUMP OVER TO PROPOSED BIG DOG PARK 6700. AND 60 SQUARE FEET.

SO THAT'S. CAN WE USE MY CALCULATOR HERE? SO 67 60 DIVIDED BY 2300. SO THAT'S 2.9 TIMES. WHAT DO WE JUST SAY? 30? SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THERE COULD BE 88 DOGS OUT? IN THE PROPOSED BIG DOG PARK. ABSOLUTELY NOT, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES NEVER WOULD THAT HAPPEN. WE WOULD RUN MORE NO MORE THAN 2 TO 3 GROUPS OF 10 TO 15 DOGS OUTSIDE, SIMULTANEOUSLY INCLUSIVE OF ALL THE DOG PARK AREAS, THE POINT THAT I THINK SCOTT WAS TRYING TO SAYING THE BIG DOG PARK AND THIS COMBINED. YOU'RE NEVER HAVE MORE THAN 45 DOGS OUT. ABSOLUTELY THAT'S THE WAY WE CURRENTLY RUN OUR OPERATION IN JUPITER. WE NEVER BECAUSE THE DOGS WERE ROTATE THROUGH REST PERIODS INSIDE IN THEIR ROOMS. THEY ALSO PLAY INDOORS IN THE ROOM AT NO POINT IF WE HAD 100 DOGS IN THE FACILITY THERE'LL BE 20 TO 25 DOGS OUTSIDE IN THE TWO DOG PARTS SIMULTANEOUSLY BECAUSE WE DON'T RUN A FACILITY WHERE WE'RE THROWING 50 60 DOGS OUTSIDE. AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, SO IT'S A COUPLE OF THINGS. IT'S ONE. THE PICTURE DOESN'T SHOW THAT THERE'S WHERE WE PLAN TO SUBDIVIDE. TO MAKE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN EACH OF THE LARGE DOG PARK AND THE SMALL DOG PARK TO FIT WITHIN INDUSTRY. THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF THE INDUSTRY SECONDARY. MY CLIENTS DON'T WANT 75 DOG GROUPS OUTSIDE AT THE SAME TIME, SO YES, I CAN TELL YOU UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT AT NO POINT WILL THERE BE 80 DOGS OUTSIDE, HOWEVER. THAT WOULD NOT CREATE NECESSARILY CREATE A SOUND ISSUE IF IT WERE DONE PROPERLY, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR PREPARATION. DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THE INDUSTRY STANDARDS FOR THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES? IT'S JUST THE NATIONALS DOG. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE FEAR FREE STANDARDS ARE MEAN YOU'VE BEEN RELUCTANT TO GIVE US A SPECIFIC ANSWER, AND YOU KEEP REFERRING TO THE INDUSTRY STANDARDS, BUT YOU HAVEN'T PROVIDED US THE INDUSTRY STANDARDS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THAT IS DIFFICULT FOR US? I FEEL LIKE I FEEL LIKE MAYBE I'M NOT COMMUNICATING IT. WELL, NO, YOU'RE NOT. I'M SORRY . I TRY TO DO BETTER. SO IT IS IN YOUR PACKET INDUSTRY STANDARDS ARE IN YOUR PACKET PROVIDED BY THE ENGINEER. THAT'S IN HIS REPORT. OKAY, VERY SPECIFIC IN HIS REPORT. THERE IS ALSO, UM AND THE INDUSTRY STANDARD IS THE 15 TO 1 DOG RATIO. SO IF THERE'S 15 DOGS IN

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THE YARD, THERE IS ONE PERSON AND WE HAVE STAFF ON BACKUP. IF THERE IS A DOG THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED OR HE IS NOT, UM GOING WITH OUR STANDARDS. AS WELL AS INDUSTRY SO YOU COULD HAVE SIX PEOPLE. IN THE LARGE DOG PARK. BASED ON INDIAN AND THEY EACH COULD BE DEALING WITH 10. DOGS CAN TELL YOU IN THE SEVEN YEARS THAT HAVE WORKED AT DOGS WORLD I'VE NEVER SEEN MORE THAN 20 DOGS IN THE YARD. IS THAT ANSWERED? NO THAT'S A THAT'S A SPECIFIC NUMBER. THAT'S THE SPECIFIC NUMBER BUSINESS. THAT WAY WE ROTATE THE DOGS INSIDE THE OUTSIDE, YOU HAVE ONE OR TWO, SOMETIMES THREE GROUPS OF 10 TO 15 DOGS OUTSIDE AT A TIME. THERE ARE NEVER MORE DOGS THAN THAT. I APOLOGIZE IF IT WAS AT ALL CONFUSING, I WAS TRYING TO BE AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AND HONEST AS I COULD. AND I HOPE KATIE AND SCOTT HELPED ME CLEAR THAT UP. COMMISSIONER RICH YOU HAVE ANYMORE. COMMISSIONER COLLINS WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION. I JUST HAD A STATEMENT. UM THE WISHY WASH W Y S I WASH ALRIGHT , COOL. I FOUND IT. THE WHISKEY WASHED SANITIZER IS A HANDHELD LOW PH CHLORINE GENERATOR THAT OPERATES ON A STANDARD GARDEN HOSE. THIS PATENTED CHLORINE DELIVERY SYSTEM USED WITH SOLID CALCIUM HYPOCHLORITE CAPITAL. IT'S. YES WHAT WE USE? ABSOLUTELY SO. THANK YOU, OKAY. COMMISSIONER BRUNER. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REITERATE. THAT PRODUCT IS HYPOCHLORITE AND A LOT OF OUR CLIENTS DO USE IT. IT IS NOT CHLORINE. WE DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT'S ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT IT'S THAT TYPE OF CHLORIDE TABLETS. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT LIKE BOTTLED CHLORINE BEING POURED ON THE ON THE GROUND. WHEN IT RUNS THROUGH THAT. UH, APPARATUS THAT CALCIUM HYPOCHLORITE TURNS INTO CHLORINE . IT'S DELIVERING CHLORINE IN A VERY DILUTE FORMAT, THOUGH IT'S NOT LIKE POURING BLEACH ON THE GROUND. I JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL THE THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. IT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD GET ON YOUR HANDS, OKAY? OKAY MR. BRUNER. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I, UM. INSIDE WORK. ASK BUT YOU YOU REALLY, UM YOU'VE ANSWERED THEM.

REALLY SURPRISED HOW MUCH I MEAN FOR DAYS. THIS HAS BEEN IN MY MINDING AND ALL THE THINGS I WAS THINKING AND GO INTO THE PARKS AND DIFFERENT PARKS HERE IN TOWN AND BUT I DID WANT TO SAY I KNOW WHAT YOU SAID. THINGS ARE DIFFERENT TODAY. TOTALLY DIFFERENT, TOUGHEST GROWING UP.

WAKING UP THE DOGS AND THE OWNERS AND HOW WELL THEY WANT THEM KEPT AND I DON'T HAVE A DOG. BUT A LOT OF MY FRIENDS DO HAVE DOGS. AND THE WAY THEY MAINTAIN THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE I MEAN, HOW SPECIAL FOOD IS THAT I WAS CURIOUS. SO WE DO HAVE OUR HOUSE FOOD, WHICH IS A CANNON, WHICH IS A VERY HIGH QUALITY PROTEIN DIET, BUT WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PARENTS TO BRING THEIR OWN FOOD. UM JUST, YOU KNOW, TO HELP WITH THEIR BELLIES. JUST ANSWER IT LIKE THAT. YEAH UM, WHENEVER WE CANCEL OUR DOGS ROUTINE BASED SO IF THEY HAVE THE SAME THING AND THEIR MEAL, UM THEY DO BEST ON THERE. A LOT OF TIME HAS BEEN TAKEN UP BY THE COMMISSIONERS. AND YOU ALL AND PRESENTATION. UM THIS IS THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY TOUGH ONE FOR ME, BUT I LIKE I LIKE THE PRESENTATION HOW YOU CAME BEFORE US. I REALLY FELT THAT THIS WOULD HE'S THE ONLY WAY THAT ANY OF US WOULD CONSIDER ANYTHING LIKE THIS. IT'S NOTHING LIKE IT WAS WHEN I WAS A YOUNG KID, LIKE I SAID, OR THE WAY WE EVEN HANDLE OUR DOGS OR TREAT OUR DOGS. 60 YEARS AGO. WHATEVER. UM, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE HERE. AND THEY'RE GREAT NEIGHBORS AND THEY WANT YOU TO BE THE VERY BEST NAME FOR THE YOU CAN BE. AND YOU HAVE REALLY BROUGHT THAT PRESENTATION ON. YOUR CLIENTS. I CAN'T THINK THE CLIENT'S FIRST OF ALL WOULD WANT TO VERY BEST THING. WE WANT TO SMELL THERE. IT'S FIRST CLASS ATTACK CLASS. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER, AND I THINK SOME OF OUR STEWART BASED CLIENTS ARE GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THIS IS THIS IS THIS IS REALLY HARD NOW THAT THAT, UM THAT WALL WAS SIX FT OR EIGHT FT. I BELIEVE WE WERE TOLD IT COULD GO TO EIGHT FT. THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION

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BECAUSE THIS. THERE WAS A ZONING AREA THAT WASN'T B THREE AND THE LIMIT WAS SIX FT. THEN THERE WAS A ZONING AREA. THAT WAS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE THREE AND THE LIMIT WAS EIGHT FT. SO WHEN AARON WAS STILL INVOLVED, SHE SAID, EIGHT FT. WE ARE WILLING TO GO TO EIGHT. FT UM, AN EIGHT FT CONCRETE. SOUND DAMPENING BARRIER IS GOING TO ALLOW FOR ZERO NOISE TO ESCAPE THE PROPERTY AT THE PROPERTY LINE WHATSOEVER. IT'S REALLY A RED HERRING CLIENTELE. IT WOULDN'T STAND FOR IT. YEAH. UM. FIND OUT TO TAKE UP SO MUCH OF YOUR TIME. FEW OTHER THINGS. LET ME SO IT IS SIX. FT IS THE LIMIT. IS IT OKAY CODE AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE EXPERT HAD SAID THIS FILM IS THE WALL IS FOR TWO PURPOSES. IT'S FOR SOUND, BUT IT'S PRIMARILY SO THE DOGS DON'T SEE WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE OTHER SIDE AND BE EXCITED OR NERVOUS OR AGITATED, SO IT'S REALLY FROM TWO PURPOSES. BUT THE MAIN REASON IS TO PROTECT THE DOGS FROM SEEING SOMETHING THAT WOULD OKAY, GIVE THEM ANXIETIES THAT EVERYTHING SURE THAT OKAY? I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT.

EVERYBODY'S BEEN WAITING FOR YOU AND BOTH SIDES HERE. IT'S AND LONG. I JUST WANT TO SAY AGAIN.

HOW STRONG THESE NEIGHBORS HAVE STOOD TOGETHER. AND THIS IS A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT DECISION. I JUST WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT THEY I REALLY BELIEVE THAT. IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS BAD AS ALL THINGS.

AND SO. THAT'S A LET'S SEE IN THE MORNING. OKAY BEFORE I CONCLUDE THE, UH, FOOD TO HEARING AND ANY OTHER LAST COMMENT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TERRY OR. OKAY THEN I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND JUST CONFIRM WITH THEM WHAT THEY TOLD ME. OKAY? SURE. SO. I'M SORRY BECAUSE THE DEAL I REPORT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SOUND REPORT FOR SOME REASON. SO THE INDUSTRY STANDARD IT IS SIMPLY THIS. OUTSIDE AREAS RANGE FROM SCORED 40 SQUARE FEET PER SMALL DOG UP TO 100, SQUARE FEET. PRETTY LARGE DOGS. IS THAT IT IS PART OF THE INDUSTRY STANDARD. THE OTHER PART OF THAT. THAT'S WHEN YOU SAY IT'S INCLUDED. THAT'S THAT'S THE SENTENCE. RIGHT THAT'S PART OF THE INDUSTRY INDUSTRY STANDARD. THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS THAT GROUPS ARE KEPT TO 10 TO 15 DOGS OR LESS WHEN YOU PUT THOSE TWO FACTORS TOGETHER, I UNDERSTAND THAT IN A SUB DIVISIONS AND ITS SUBDIVISION OF THE LARGER AREA. SO YOU'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE.

YOU'RE JUST TELLING US YOU WON'T DO THIS, BUT WE'RE APPROVING IT. IN 20TH. WHAT IS THE 2600 SQUARE FEET DIVIDED BY 40. I THINK THAT WAS 65. IN THE SMALL AREA. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU THAT'S ALL YOU'RE SAYING TO US REALLY IS. WE WILL ADHERE TO INDUSTRY STANDARDS IN THE INDUSTRY STANDARD. IS OUTSIDE AREA RANGE FROM SCORE 40 SQUARE FEET PER SMALL DOG UP TO 100 SQUARE FEET PER HOUR OR SO. THE INDUSTRY STANDARD ALSO PRESCRIBES YOU KEEP A GROUP TO 10 TO $15. THOSE TWO THINGS WORKING TOGETHER. OR WHAT CREATES SAFETY AND QUIET GROUPS. I UNDERSTAND THAT, OKAY ? AND WE AT ARE YOU SAYING TO ME? TO THIS COMMISSION THAT THERE WILL NEVER BE MORE THAN 15 DOGS. OUT IN THE LARGE AREA, THE 6300 SQUARE FEET STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE. WE NEVER RUN MORE THAN 20 IN OUR LARGE DOG PARK IN JUPITER. HOW BIG IS THAT? IT'S A SIMILAR AT 60. IT'S AROUND 6500 SQUARE FEET. BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE. IT'S HARD TO STAFF THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ALSO BUILD WAY MORE INTO THE PARK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE KEEPING THE GROUPS SEPARATED THAT WAY. SO THE THING THAT I THINK IS GETTING LOST. IS YOUR COMBINING TWO THINGS TO KEEP THE GROUP QUITE RIGHT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOISE. THAT'S THE ISSUE. WHEN YOU ADHERE TO BOTH SIDES OF THAT STANDARD. YOU DON'T HAVE NOISE. WE ADHERE TO BOTH SIDES OF THAT STANDARD IN EVERYTHING WE DID. AND WE DON'T NORMALLY RUN AS CABLE. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STANDARD. 600 SQUARE

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FEET FOR EACH SMALL DOG PLAY YARD. NO. OKAY SO IT'S NOT A FUNCTION OF NUMBER OF DOGS. ONE PERSON FOR EVERY 10 TO 15 DOGS IS THAT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PART OF THE RECOMMENDED STANDARD , SO WHEN YOU PUT IT AT IT ALL TOGETHER, YOU HAD 10 TO 15 DOGS. YOU GIVE THEM THE PROPER APPROPRIATE SQUARE FAKES FOOTAGE. YOU DON'T GIVE THEM TOO MUCH FOR HIM. YOU DON'T GIVE THEM TOO LITTLE ROOM AND YOU HAVE A QUALIFIED STAFF MEMBER. YOU DON'T HAVE NOISE, AND THAT IS HOW WE RUN OUR BUSINESS AND LIMITING. LIMITING THE NUMBER OF DOGS BY STAFF PERSON DOES NOTHING BECAUSE YOU CAN HIRE MORE STAFF PEOPLE. AND THEREFORE HAVE MORE DOGS. NOT IN THE SAME GROUP, SIR. I REALIZED THAT IN THE SAME GROUP SO THAT THEN AGAIN, IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY MITIGATING ANY ISSUES THAT ANYONE WOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT NOISE. BECAUSE THE EQUATION IS YOU KEEP THE GROUP SMALL. YOU HAVE THE PROPER SQUARE FOOTAGE AND YOU HAVE A PROPER RELEASE ITS TRAIN STAFF MEMBER WHEN YOU KNOW YOU'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE THIS FOR YOU WITH THIS. WITH ONLY THIS LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF DOGS THAT CAN BE IN THE AREA AT ONE TIME. THE INDUSTRY STANDARD. CORRECT, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY OKAY. THAT POINT I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE EVIDENCE PORTION OF THE HEARING, AND WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I'M GONNA START WITH. GARY SAUCING. DID I PRONOUNCE IT CORRECT? OH GOOD. THANK YOU. IF YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD WHEN YOU GET TO PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE FOR US SO WE CAN GET IT ON THE RECORD. IT'S BEEN RESTING. YEAH MY NAME IS GARY SLAWSON. I OWNED THE PROPERTY OF 6 25 CHANNEL AVENUE. IT'S RIGHT. VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY. MY ISSUE IS WHEN I BUILT THE PROPERTY AND 2003. I HAD TO GET THREE DIFFERENT ENGINEERS BEFORE FINALLY GOT APPROVED. AND ALL THE STREET WATER. RUN DOWN MY DRIVEWAY, SO I SPENT MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY. TO TAKE CARE OF THIS. THIS IS 6 25 MATTERS FINALLY ENGINEERED IT SO ALL THAT STREET WATER RUNS DOWN MY DRIVEWAY INTO THIS INTO MY DRAIN FIELD. SO AM I GONNA HANDLE THEIR WATER TO THAT WAY STUFF BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THEY WOULDN'T LET IT RUN INTO FRASER . GREEK THEY SAID, WELL, YOU GOT TO HANDLE IT OFF. SO WE ENGINEERED THE WHOLE BLOCK THE RUN DOWN MY DRIVEWAY AND THERE YOU GO. YOU NEED TO DO A LITTLE INVESTIGATION. YES AND NEIGHBORS . ALL MY NEIGHBORS SAID THEY DON'T WANT TO DO KENNEL HERE. THIS IS A QUIET, HAPPY FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE MEETINGS IN THE PARK AND STUFF. WE ALL GET ALONG. IN THE BEGINNING. I HAD A TOUGH TIME BECAUSE I HAD TO GET THREE ENGINEERS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, MATHERS, THEY DID IT. THEY FINALLY SOLVED MY PROBLEM. MAYBE THEY CAN SOLVE THEIRS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THEIR MONEY. AND I DON'T WANT THEIR WATER ON MY PROPERTY. HELLO MY NAME'S GEAR SOURCE. AND THANKS FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU, ALAN WALDEN. I AM A RESIDENT OF STEWART AND I'VE BEEN GOING TO DOGS WORLD FOR SIX YEARS NOW WITH MY DOG. HE IS. ALWAYS HAPPY AND EXCITED TO HEAR THAT HE'S GOING AND HE LOVES THE STAFF AND RUNNING WITH THE DOGS. THEY HAD DOGS WORLD THRIVED ON THE SOCIAL INTERACTION WITH THE OTHER DOGS . AS YOU KNOW, DOGS REALLY NEED TO BE SOCIALLY. SOCIALIZED AT ALL TIMES TO KEEP THEM HAPPY. TO KEEP THEM. FROM BEING AGGRESSIVE. AH! I BELIEVE, AND I KNOW A LOT OF OTHER DOG OWNERS BELIEVE THAT I MEAN ON THE BEACH THAT SOCIAL INTERACTION IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. I VALUE THE SERVICE FROM DOGS WORLD AND I KNOW HE IS IN GOOD HANDS. WHEN HE GOES THERE. THEY LOVE EACH DOG AS IF IT WERE THEIR OWN.

THERE ARE ALWAYS AVAILABLE WHEN I NEED TO DROP HIM OFF. UNEXPECTED OR NOT. I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE THAT THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR A NEW FACILITY AND STEWART IT IS CONVENIENT.

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HOST A HOME AND SINCE I LIVE HERE IN STUART ON THE DAYS ARE LONG WORK HOURS. I KNOW HE'S ONLY A SHORT DRIVE AWAY. RATHER THAN GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO JUPITER TO PICK HIM UP. THE NEW FACILITY. SINCE IT IS A FOR PROFIT BUSINESS WILL ADD TO THE TAX BASE OF THE CITY. AS WELL AS BRINGING ADDED REVENUE TO THE STORES AND SHOPS IN TOWN. BRING PEOPLE. INTO STEWART, WHO NORMALLY DON'T COME. THIS HAS BEEN AND WILL ALWAYS BE FOR APOLLO TO MAKE NEW FRIENDS.

THANK YOU. KOURTNEY KASLOW. HELLO, COURTNEY KASLOW. I'VE ALSO TAKEN MY DOG THERE SINCE THEY FIRST OPENED, AND I REALLY HONESTLY WOULD NOT TAKE MY DOG ANYWHERE ELSE. THE ONLY OTHER PEOPLE I LET TAKE CARE OF MY DOG WOULD BE MY FAMILY. UM EVEN GOING TO THE BEACH, UM ON MY DOG AND WATCHING ALL THE OTHER DOGS BECAUSE IT CAN REALLY HAPPEN ANYWHERE THAT YOUR DOG GETS ATTACKED. EVEN IF YOUR DOG'S FRIENDLY OTHER PEOPLE CAN BE GOING AFTER THEM. I LOVE DOGS WORLD BECAUSE THEY DO TRAIN. THEY'RE STAFFED, UM TO THE BEST, AND THEY HAVE THEIR TEMPERAMENT TASK TO CHECK THAT EVERY SINGLE DOG THAT COMES IN THERE IS FRIENDLY AND IT'S NOT JUST A RANDOM DOG COMING IN THERE THAT COULD GO AFTER YOUR DOG BECAUSE I HAVE A BIG BULL MASSIVE AND A LOT OF OTHER DOGS WOULD GO AFTER BIG DOG LIKE THAT. SO I LOVE THAT DOG'S WORLD IS HANDS DOWN THE BEST DOGS FACILITY I'VE EVER BEEN TO KNOW NOISES. HUGE THING. I'VE GONE THROUGH TOURS WITH THEM, AND IT'S BEEN COMPLETELY QUIET, HONESTLY, AND THEY'VE BEEN PLAYING, UM SOOTHING MUSIC FOR THE DOGS, WHICH I WOULD ASSUME THAT DEFINITELY HELPS KEEP THEM QUIET, AND I PULLED UP TO THE GATED CHAIN LINK FENCE AND YOU DON'T REALLY HEAR DOGS. YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THAT THEY'RE THERE, BUT YOU DON'T HEAR HIM. SO IF YOU GUYS EVER GO TO THERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S NOT VERY LOUD. AND, UM I LOVE DOGS, WORLD AND AS A YOU KNOW, ON EARTH, UM , HOMEOWNER, STEWART. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEM UP HERE. I THINK IT WOULD REALLY BENEFIT THE TOWN OF STEWART TO HAVE A HIGH QUALITY PLACE TO BRING THEIR DOG RATHER THAN THESE OTHER PLACES. I DON'T PAY A LOT OF MONEY TO BRING MY DOG JUST TO ANY PLACE I DO IT BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD QUALITY PLACE FOR YOUR DOGS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHRISTINA AND I'M HAVING TROUBLE READING THE WRITING TOMORROW, RENO LISTEN UP. IT'S CHRISTINA. MARCELINO. MARCELINO, OKAY? UM SO I DIDN'T ACTUALLY PREPARE ANYTHING BECAUSE THIS IS VERY CLOSE TO HALTON FOR A LOT OF US AND THAT'S WHY WE DO THIS. UM I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF STEWART FOR ABOUT SIX YEARS. I MOVED HERE WITH MY HUSBAND TO START A FAMILY. AND UM, WE ENDED UP WITH ONE FOR A BABY OUT OF THAT. SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THAT'S MY SOLE PURPOSE IS MY DOG. UM. AS YOU GUYS HAVE KIND OF HEARD. OUR GENERATION WERE VERY INVOLVED WITH THEIR PETS. THE SAME WAY THAT I'M SURE THAT YOU'VE RESEARCHED DAYCARE IS FOR YOUR CHILDREN. WE DO THAT WITH OUR PETS, AND THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE THAT I'M COMFORTABLE LEAVING MY DOG. OVERNIGHT FOR A FEW HOURS. UM I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU GUYS ARE COMING FROM, AND I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE JUPITER LOCATION SO THAT YOU CAN REALLY SEE WHAT IT IS. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. THERE'S NO SMELLS. I MEAN, AS A CUSTOMER, YOU WALK IN, AND IT'S PRISTINE.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SPOT. I WOULD BRING MY ACTUAL CHILDREN THERE TO BE TOTALLY TRANSPARENT, BUT IT'S SUCH AN AWESOME PLACE TO COME HOME. I HAVE A FOUR YEAR OLD HUSKY, AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE SOME KIND OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON HOW LOUD THEY ARE, AND THEY'RE THEY'RE VERY ACTIVE. AND THE SECOND HE GETS IN THE CAR. HE'S OUT LIKE A LIGHT AND HE SLEEPS THE ENTIRE WAY HOME, WHICH IS A 30 MINUTE DRIVE FOR US. UM AND THEN HE SONG GOES UP ON THE COUCH AND THEN THE DUDE SAID HE'S NOT THERE. HE IS RUNNING RAMPANT THROUGH THE HOUSE, AND HE'S AN ONLY CHILD. SO HE NEEDS THAT PLAYTIME. SO UM, OBVIOUSLY FOR US LIVING IN STUART, THIS IS AWESOME FOR US. AND I REALLY HOPE THAT THAT YOU GUYS SEE THE VALUE IN THIS AND I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO FIND IT AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CASEY. CARRIE QUINN.

HI I'M SHERRY QUINN. THANK YOU. FOR YOUR TIME. I WAS PRESIDENT OF JUPITER FOR 23 YEARS. UM I'VE

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BEEN IN STUART FOR I THINK ALMOST FOUR YEARS NOW. ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT HERE. I'VE MOVED MY KIDS FROM THEIR SCHOOL BENJAMIN SCHOOL IN NORTH PALM BEACH, WHICH WE ARE DEEPLY EMBEDDED IN AS A FAMILY. I'VE MOVED THEM UP HERE FOR GEOGRAPHIC PURPOSES, BUT I HAVEN'T MOVED MY DOGS YET. I STILL DRIVE AN HOUR AND 10 MINUTES. UM BECAUSE IT'S WORTH IT. AND THERE SIMPLY ISN'T ANYTHING UP HERE THAT COULD EVEN REMOTELY COMPARED TO DOGS WORLD AND I, UM. I'M ALSO A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS OWNER AND AN ENTREPRENEUR. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE WINNING. FORMULA FOR, UM. DOG LODGING RATIOS, INDUSTRY STANDARDS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS. WHATEVER THE WINNING FORMULA IS, THEY GOT IT. AND IF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE HEARING SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. I WOULD LIKE TO ATTEST AS IT'S STUART RESIDENT.

AND AS A VERY HAPPY CUSTOMER OF DOGS WORLD THAT THEY ARE TRUE. I PULLED MY VEHICLE UP TO THAT TWO DOGS WORLD. AND NO, I'M NOT A RESIDENT THAT LIVES NEXT DOOR, SO I WOULD UNDERSTAND THOSE CONCERNS WHOLEHEARTEDLY. BUT I PULLED YES, VERY VALID. I PULLED MY VEHICLE UP AND I CAN TELL YOU UM. I'VE NEVER HEARD DOGS BARKING. ARE YOU GOING TO SAY? THAT'S RIDICULOUS. IT IS YOU DON'T HEAR THE DOGS BARKING. UM THEY'RE NOT BARKING. THEY'RE HAPPY. IT'S A LOT LIKE BRINGING YOUR CHILD TO KINDERGARTEN. ON THE SECOND DAY, YOU HAVE TO PUSH HIM OUT OF THE BACKSEAT.

PROBABLY DIDN'T GO SO WELL. THE FIRST DAY WE'RE FROM MOM AND DAD AT SCHOOL WHEN I PULL UP TO DOGS WORLD FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE TO PACK THE DOG FOOD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. BECAUSE WHEN I TAKE OUT THE LITTLE ZIP LOCKS AND START WRITING THE DATES ON AND PUT THE FOOD IN ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE IN MY HOME WITH MY TWO GOLDEN DOODLES BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO THE DOGGY HOTEL PLAYING WITH THEIR DOG. AND TALK ABOUT NOISE PROBLEM IN THE CONDO. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE, BUT, UM, I PACK EARLY AND MY DOGS ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT AND I WILL WRAP IT UP BY SAYING THAT THIS IS JUST AN UNBELIEVABLE BUSINESS SO WELL NOT THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, THOMAS KORNMAN.

THOMAS HARDIMAN 62 OH CHANNEL AVENUE THERE IN STUART. I'M A DIRECT NEIGHBOR OF THE PROPERTY.

IF ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED, IT'LL BE ME. FOR THE RECORD. I DON'T KNOW THE APPLICANT. I'VE NEVER MET THE APPLICANT AND I DON'T WORK FOR THE APPLICANT. I'M HERE TO REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THIS. I REPEAT THAT. I'M HERE TO REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THE APPLICATION. I'M A N B. IN MY BACKYARD. MY EXPERIENCE HERE IN MARTIN COUNTY, HAS BEEN INDUSTRIAL REAL ESTATE BROKER. I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH CANDLES AND DOGGIE DAYCARE. I'VE WORKED ESTABLISHING THEM. THE LAST ONE WAS CHANGE. FROM AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING. TO DOGGY CAKE HAIR.

AND FROM WHAT I HEAR, HEAR. I'M REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE QUALITY. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS CHANGE. THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION WAS A PINEAPPLE PLANTATION. PINEAPPLES WEREN'T PROFITABLE. CHANGE. SORT OF STEADIEST STEWART BUT IN THE STUDY WHEN I MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 30 YEARS AGO. WHERE THIS BUILDING IS WAS A RUNDOWN TRAILER PARK. ACCOMPANIED WITH HOT DOG STANDS CHINESE RESTAURANT. BATTERY WAREHOUSE HODGEPODGE. CHANGE OCCURRED COMMISSIONERS BEFORE HOUSTON. HEY LET'S PUT IN ROYAL PALM FINANCIAL CENTER. HMM. CLASS A. NOW THE BUILDING USED TO BE OFFICERS. LOTS OF OFFICERS WITH LOTS OF PEOPLE. CHANGE OCCURRED. COLVIN CHANGE. ZOOM. CHANGE. WORK AT HOME. CHANGE.

EVERYTHING LEADS TO CHANGE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. IN CONCLUSION. APPROVE THE

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APPLICATION. HEY EMBRACE CHANGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KURT. IN GRAD, CONFUSING STREET. I HAD TO CHANGE THINGS AROUND A LITTLE BIT, AND I'M GOING TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAD. THE MATH TURNS OUT TO BE 60 57 SMALL DOGS IN THE SMALL DOG PARK. 67 LARGE DOG PARK. AND UH, LET'S SEE THE TRAFFIC. I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO GET INTO. I HOPE ALL OF YOU TOOK THE TIME TO READ MY LETTER. I'M SURE YOU DID. BUT WE'RE GETTING TWO. SOMETHING HERE, CALLED THE CONDITIONAL USE. FOR THIS URBAN CODE, CONDITIONAL USE AND GREATER AND IT SAYS THAT THE APPLICANT MUST OR WILL MEASURABLY IMPROVED THE FORM FUNCTION AND TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTERISTICS OF THE URBAN CODE DISTRICT COMPLETE. HE'S DONE THAT IN ANY PARTICULAR WAY. NOT AT ALL A LOT OF THIS STUFF. WE DON'T HAVE POWERPOINT THINGS TO AS AS A SPEAKER TO DO THIS, BUT THIS JUST TAKES ME RIGHT BACK TO THE TARIFF TOMATO DAYS WHEN IT WAS WHEN IT WAS A SIX SEAT TIKI BAR AND AN OUTDOOR FURNITURE STORE. EXCUSE ME APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION, AND NOW WE'VE GOT A FULL BLOWN ROCK CONCERT PLACE THERE. YOU HAVE NO WAY OF POLICING THIS ONCE. GUESS WHO'S GOT PROOF? HE CAN HAVE HIS MANY DOLLARS AS HE WANTS BEHIND THAT SIX FT HIGH WALL AND YOU'LL NEVER KNOW IT TAKE EMBARK ALL THEY WANT BEHIND THERE, AND YOU WILL NEVER KNOW IT. JUST LIKE WE HAVE TO CALL CAPTAIN. CALL THE COPS UNTIL FROM HONORS. OVER THE SOUND OF IT. I KNOW ALL ABOUT SOUND. I SERVED ON THE CITY SOUND ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SO I KNOW ABOUT THE SOUND HOLE THING THERE AND I IN MY LETTER, I SAID, WHAT IF I WANTED TO BUILD OR SOMEBODY ELSE WANTED TO BUILD A TWO STORY APARTMENT ON SEVENTH STREET? THEY'RE THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING RIGHT DOWN INTO THE SIX FT WALL WITH 50 60 DOGS. I NEED SENATE. IT'S JUST NOT FAIR. IT DOESN'T BELONG IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. IT JUST IS NOT IN THE RIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT ALLOWED, THEREBY ZONING NOW I'M GONNA GET TO THE OTHER PARTY, NEW CREEK DISTRICT CREEK DISTRICT. SOUTH. COMES RIGHT UP TO DOGS WORLD AND THE PROPOSED USES FOR DECREASED DISTRICT. CANDLES ARE NOT ALLOWED. KENNELS ARE ALLOWED AND DECREASED DISTRICT INDUSTRIAL AREA ONLY NOWHERE ELSE IN THE CREEK ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT. THIS IS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE CREEK DISTRICT. HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY SAY THAT? THIS IS OKAY BETWEEN INCREASED DISTRICT AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND JUST DISREGARD EVERYTHING ELSE. THIS DOES NOT BELONG. HE CAN MOVE THIS TO DOWN TO THE CREEK DISTRICT INDUSTRIAL PARK, WHERE IS ALLOWED IT'S VERY SIMPLE. IT'S A GREAT IDEA. A GREAT CONCEPT. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST IT. OUR PLANT PRESENTATION IS GREAT, BUT WITH THE WRONG BUSINESS IN THE WRONG PLACE IN A NEIGHBOR I'VE BEEN STIRRED FOR 50 YEARS. I GREW UP IN JUPITER AND I MOVED OUT THERE BECAUSE IT WAS TURNING IN UPON BEACH AND BROWARD COUNTY CAME UP HERE IN 1972 AFTER MY TERMINAL SERVICE, AND I LOVE THIS PLACE. BEEN HERE. I'VE BEEN IN THAT HOME FOR 28. YEARS OF ALL MY NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS OR MORE. WE DO NOT WANT A DOG CANDLE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PERIOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, KURT. LAST SPEAKER CARD FOR US. TRACY BARNES. HI MY NAME IS TRACY BARNES AND I RESIDED 6 17 SOUTHWEST CHANNEL AVENUE. I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF , AND MY SISTER, JENNIFER CHASE , WHO RESIDES AT 6 49 SOUTHWEST CHANNEL AVENUE. I SINCERELY HOPE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO READ MY LETTER AND REVIEW THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS REFERENCING COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S URBAN CODE. CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENTS, THE PROCESSING OF PLAN APPLICATIONS, AND THE STAFF REPORTS SLASH ANALYSIS. HERE I'D LIKE TO REVIEW A FEW POINTS CONTAINED IN MY LETTER. FIRST THE NOISE, WASTE WATER AND SOLID WASTE AND TRAFFIC THAT WILL COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IF THIS APPLICATION IS APPROVED. AS OF THE APPLICANTS BARRIER NOISE STUDY STATING THAT THE NOISE WILL NOT BE ABOVE THE 80 DECIBEL. DECIBELS ALLOWED BY THE CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS WELL AWARE OF WHAT 80 DECIBELS SOUNDS LIKE DUE TO THE VARIOUS BARS AND MUSIC VENUES LESS THAN A HALF MILE AWAY. 80 DECIBELS IS LOUD. AND THIS KIND OF WOULD NOT BE A HALF MILE AWAY, BUT WOULD BE ON ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, AND IT'S TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE AS TO WASTE WATER AND SOLID WASTE. THERE HAS BEEN NO EXPLANATION OF WHERE THE CHEMICALS FROM THE TWICE A DAY CLEANINGS WOULD DRAIN AND SEEP. AND THE POSSIBLE SMELL FROM THE WASTE OF 100, PLUS DOGS SITTING IN AN INSANELY HOT DUMPSTER FOR UP TO A WEEK WOULD BE UNBEARABLE. AS FOR TRAFFIC AND THE PICKUPS AND DROP OFFS, BEING QUOTE ENCOURAGED TO

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TAKE PLACE IN COLORADO AVENUE. THERE'S NO WAY THIS CAN BE ENFORCED. DUE TO BACKUPS IN COLORADO. THE TRAFFIC WOULD ABSOLUTELY FLOW IN THE BACK WAY FROM US ONE, DON MCPHERSON OR SIXTH STREET TO CHANNEL AVENUE INTO AND THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, MOST LIKELY AT A HIGH RATE OF SPEED. I ALSO WANT TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE PROPOSED PERMITTED USES FOR THE CREEK DISTRICT, WHICH SHOWS THAT KENNELS WILL ONLY BE ALLOWED IN THE CREEK AND DUST REAL SECTION OF THE CITY, NOT IN THE CREEK, NORTH OR SOUTH DISTRICTS. LASTLY THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED A PETITION FROM ALL BUT TWO OWNERS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THOSE TWO WHO ARE WHO WERE TO WRITE LETTERS. AND ACTUALLY, ONE IS HERE TONIGHT. PETITION FROM ALL THE OWNERS OF THE BUSINESSES OF THE SHOPS OF COLORADO AND A PETITION FROM RESIDENTS WHO SURROUND THE BARK PARK WHO HAVE LIVED WITH THIS SITUATION SHOULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR HERE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS SO NOT ABOUT DOGS WORLD BEING A BAD PLACE. IT SOUNDS ABSOLUTELY GREAT. IT'S JUST THAT NONE OF US WANT A KENNEL HOUSING MORE THAN 100 DOGS FOR 24 HOURS A DAY AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD I MEAN, WOULD YOU REALLY WOULD YOU? SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, LET'S SEE. OKAY IT'S TIME FOR US TO DELIBERATE AND DO WE HAVE ANY DELIBERATIONS OR EMOTIONS? COMMISSIONER RICH. MICROPHONE PACK PACKETS PROVIDED BY MS BARNES. SHE INCLUDED EXHIBIT B ONE. DID YOU SEE THAT? WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT.

WE DID NOT GET THE LETTERS NOW. OKAY? SO IT SAYS THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC STUDY CONCURRENCY STUDY DONE FOR THIS RIGHT? IT'S EXEMPT. IT'S EXEMPT BECAUSE, OKAY, LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION FIRST. IF I COME TO PICK UP MY DOG. ARRIVED AND THEN LEAVE. IS THAT CONSIDERED ONE TRIP OR TWO? I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, SO I'M NOT GONNA ANSWER THAT. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. DID YOU SAY MISS BARNES? YOU COULD I ASK MISS BARNES A QUESTION. MR GENERALLY , THAT'S NOT OKAY IN AN INTERVENER MR DIES. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS THAT? CONSIDERED ONE TRIP OR TWO? IF I DRIVE TO PICK UP MY DOG AND THEN LEAD IS THAT TWO TRIPS PEAK HOURS? THAT WOULD BE YOU HAVE TO COME BACK FOR IT TO BE A SECOND TRIP. OKAY, SO THEY'RE EXEMPT BECAUSE. THEY'RE GOING TO GENERATE 19 OR FEWER PEAK HOUR TRIPS. DO WE THINK THAT'S CORRECT? YES, PEAK HOURS.

HMM. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER. UH. MICHIGAN. GREAT I'M SORRY. LONG EVENING. I APOLOGIZE.

TYPICALLY YOUR PEAK HOURS OR YOUR AM IS AROUND EUR EIGHT O'CLOCK. IS YOUR PEAK HOURS AND THEN TYPICALLY AROUND FIVE IS YOUR PM PEAK HOURS, PEAK HOURS. AND WE'RE WHAT WE ALL THINK OF PEAK HOURS. SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE. OKAY THEY'RE NOT ACCEPT. THEY'RE SAYING INDUSTRY STANDARD . THE INDUSTRY STANDARD ALLOWS 62 KNOCKING. HE TALKED ABOUT ME. HANDS OF DOGS AND WERE EXEMPTED THEM BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING THAT THERE WILL BE FEWER THAN 19 PEAK HOUR TRIPS TO DROP THESE DOGS AND PICK THE BOX. THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. OKAY THIS I WORKED IN THE WELLS FARGO BELT TONIGHT. OKAY, WHICH IS HERE'S THE CONCERN. FORMER CONSTRUCTION JOURNAL. HERE'S THE PARKING GARAGE AND HERE'S WHERE I WORKED. FORTUNATELY THE MARKETS CLOSED AT FOUR AND I WAS ABLE TO LEAVE AROUND 4 15 IF I TRIED TO LEAVE ANY TIME AFTER 4 30. YOU CAN'T EVEN PULL OUT ON TO COLORADO. AND TO THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THE REASON IS THAT THE CONSTRUCTION JOURNAL BUILDING ITSELF IS ALREADY BUILT ITS THERE YOU COULD RENT IT OUT AS A CONSTRUCTION JOURNAL TOMORROW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE FIRST OF ALL, IT'S THERE'S THERE NEEDS TO BE A TRAFFIC STUDY CLEARLY. UM EXEMPTION BUT NOT APPLY TO THEM.

I'M JUST SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO AT AROUND FIVE O'CLOCK, WE ALL ENDED UP WHO WORKED IN THOSE BUILDINGS. WE HAD TO GO. WE HAD TO GO DOWN TO THE LIGHTED INTERSECTION THAT TAKES YOU BEHIND THE OLD WENDY'S. UM AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO TRY TO ACCESS THAT THROUGH COLORADO. OR I MEAN, THEY'LL LEARN VERY QUICKLY. OR. US I MEAN, THEY WILL BE DRIVING THROUGH THIS

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NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S REALLY. THE EASIEST IT'S GOING TO BE THE EASIEST WAY FOR THEM TO GET THERE. UM. AND THAT'S THAT'S MY FINAL. QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THIS. OKAY, ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER COLLINS. SO I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM SENSITIVE TO A FEW DIFFERENT SIDES OF THIS. THIS IS NOT AN EASY DECISION. I AM SENSITIVE TO BEING A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.

I'M SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN AT THIS SINCE MAY. TRYING TO GET THIS ACCOMPLISHED PROBABLY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY. I CAN TELL AS SOMEBODY WHO PUTS A LOT OF MY HEART AND SOUL AND TRYING TO DO THE PROVIDE THE BEST PRODUCT I CAN TO MY CLIENTS . I FEEL THAT IN YOU AND I RESPECT IT AS ANOTHER SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. ABSOLUTELY. SO. I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING. MY ONLY CONCERN IS WHERE AND. FOR A FEW DIFFERENT REASONS. ONE IS THE PROXIMITY TO FRASURE CREEK. AND THE USE OF CHLORINE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT HOW HOW INTENSE THAT CHLORINE IS. BUT I DO NOT LIKE THAT, UM BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY AND EVEN IF YOU COULD RETAIN IT, WOULD WE EVEN WANT TO, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING IN THE GROUNDWATER THAT'S GOING TO HAVE BEEN FRASURE CREEK TO ME. THIS TYPE OF A. BUSINESS BELONGS IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, WHICH IS WHY INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH WITH THE FORM BASED CODE THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS TEAM WERE PUT TOGETHER. IT EXCLUDES KENNELS AND CREEK, NORTH AND SOUTH. IT'S ONLY IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREA AND I THINK THAT'S WITH REASON. I'M ALSO SENSITIVE TO MR WANTING TO SELL THIS BUILDING. I AM SENSITIVE TO BEING TAKEN FOR A WHILE. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU WOULD POTENTIALLY BE BRINGING JOBS INTO THE CITY. I THINK THAT'S AWESOME. BUT. HAVING RECENTLY RUN FOR OFFICE AND KNOCKED ON SO MANY DOORS. THE. PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVE LIVED THERE FOR A LONG TIME. IT'S HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO AGREE ON JUST ABOUT ANYTHING ANYMORE. AND IT'S ALMOST UNANIMOUS. THE DESIRE TO NOT SEE THIS HAPPEN THERE. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REPRESENT AND IT'S A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT? THERE IS COMMERCIAL THERE, BUT IT DOESN'T REPRESENT.

A. AND APPROPRIATE BUFFER TO THE COMMERCIAL. WE'RE NOT MOVING FROM RESIDENTIAL INTO SOMETHING THAT'S YOU KNOW, SORT OF HYBRID , AND THEN INTO THAT COMMERCIAL , WE'RE GOING FROM RESIDENTIAL TO DOG BARK DOG KENNEL. TWO. THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE AND HAVING NOT ONLY THE NEIGHBORS BUT ALSO THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES. THAT'S THAT'S REALLY HARD TO PUSH BACK ON. THE WILL OF THE RESIDENTS THERE. SO IT MIGHT HAVE. I'M SURE YOU. PRODUCE AN AMAZING PRODUCT AND SERVE PEOPLE AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, AND I RESPECT THAT. I WOULD FOR ME. I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING THIS BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS IN A MORE APPROPRIATE AREA, AND I HOPE TO GOD YOU FIND IT BECAUSE I THINK STEWART WOULD BENEFIT GREATLY FROM WHAT YOU DO. OKAY, MR BIRD. YOU HAVE ANYTHING T. J. SO WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION. IS THAT WHAT I'M SAYING? JUST CONFIRM. SO, UM SO LOOKS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE EMOTION OF JUSTICE AREA. I ECHO COMMISSIONER COLLINSES COMMENTS.

I THINK THAT, UH IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT ONE. I THINK THEY'VE I THINK THEY'VE DEMONSTRATED SOME REALLY GOOD FAITH, AND I ALSO THINK THE NEIGHBORS HAVE A HAVE A REALLY LEGITIMATE CONCERNS. SO OKAY, SO I GUESS WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, EVERYONE. OKAY? I'M GOING TO READ THE ORDINANCE. YEAH MIKE, IF YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND READ THE TITLE OF ITEM NUMBER 22 IS ORDINANCE TO MR MAYOR. THERE'S A QUESTION OVER HERE. OH MOTION TO GO. WE NEED

[22. FIRE STATION 3 - REZONE FROM CPUD TO PUBLIC (QUASI-JUDICIAL)(RC): ORDINANCE No. 2506-2022; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY'S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP; TO REZONE A 1.78-ACRE PARCEL; LOCATED AT 3473 NW GREEN RIVER PARKWAY; BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT "A" ATTACHED; FROM COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT "CPUD" TO PUBLIC; DEVELOPING THE SITE FOR A NEW FIRE STATION WITH 6,523 SQ FT TO SERVE THE NORTHNERN PART OF THE CITY; DECLARING THE PROJECT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN; PROVIDING FOR DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS; PROVIDING DIRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

NO OKAY. UM ORDINANCE 2506-20 TO 2. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION, THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY'S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REZONE A 1.78 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED AT 3473 NORTHWEST GREENER PARKWAY BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A ATTACHED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT CPD TO PUBLIC DEVELOPING THE SITE FOR A NEW FIRE STATION WITH 6523 SQUARE

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FEET TO SERVE THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY, DECLARING THE PROJECT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PROVIDING FOR DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS PROVIDED FOR DIRECTIONS THE CITY CLERK PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, WRITING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. I WOULD SAY OKAY TO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE EXPERT TAKE COMMUNICATIONS CLOSED COMMISSIONER RICH. HE SAID HI TO A FIREMAN THE OTHER DAY. OKAY SPEAKING, GONNA MAKE IT WITH HIS UNIFORM WERE ALL LOOPY. WE'RE ALL TIRED. UH COMMISSIONER KAITLYN'S NONE. COMMISSIONER BRUNER. THE EXPERT, A COMMUNICATIONS. OKAY AND, UH, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH STAFF REGARDING IT. UM DEVELOPMENT PERMIT WILL PROVIDE A BRIEF SUMMARY AGENDA. HAVE WE HAD ANY CHANGES SINCE THE LAST MEETING ON THE FIRE STATION? NO. AND I'M AVAILABLE TO DO A PRESENTATION. BUT YOU DID APPROVE THE FIRST READING. OKAY, SO WE ARE THE APPLICANTS. SO, MR DASH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? JUST NO, I DON'T. I'M SCARED TO GO THERE. DO WE HAVE ANY THE DO? UH LET'S SEE THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. YOU SAID YOU WENT IN REGARD TO THE QUESTION, EXPERTS THAT YOU SAID YOU SPEAK TO STAFF STAFF ABOUT EVERYTHING. YES AND I AND I DISCLOSED THAT RIGHT WHENEVER I SPEAK TO STAFF ABOUT SOMETHING IT INVOLVES A QUASI JUDICIAL ISSUE. SO IN QUESTIONS INITIAL WHO DISCLOSE ANY OF YOUR EXPERT TAKE COMMUNICATIONS. IF YOU'VE SPOKEN TO STAFF THAT'S AN EXPERT TAKE COMMUNICATION THAT THE PETITIONER, UM OR ANY OTHER COMMUNICATION YOU HAVE CLARIFIED THAT DOESN'T TAKE PLACE AT A PUBLIC MEETING IS AN EXPERT IN COMMUNICATION WITH EITHER YOU OR MR DIAZ. OR THE EVERY ALL COMMUNICATION HAS TO BE IN A PUBLIC SETTING, SO THE OTHER SIDE CAN SEE IT SO UNLESS BOTH SIDES ARE PRESENT DURING THE CONVERSATION, IT'S X PARTY, OKAY? I'M GLAD I ASKED FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. OKAY I'M ALSO LEARNING TO ASK YOUR PERMISSION TO SPEAK FOR SPECIAL, OKAY. SO UH, THIS, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? EMOTIONAL PROOF, OKAY. WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET. I'M SORRY. WE GOTTA WE GOTTA FOLLOW THE WE HAVE THAT WE GOTTA FOLLOW THE SHEET, SO I KNOW WE SHOULD HAVE A DOWN TONIGHT. I MEAN, WE'VE REALLY BEEN CRANKING IT OUT SO LET'S SEE. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION THAT EVIDENCE FOR EVIDENCE AND HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. MR. COLLINS SIT DOWN. NO NO, NO NOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KALLAS. WE HAVE A SECOND. YES COMMISSIONER BRUNER A SECOND. DO YOU HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION? MARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL COMMISSIONER RICH. YES COMMISSIONER COLLINS? YES, COMMISSIONER. BRUNER MAYOR MCDONALD. YES OKAY, SO NOW WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE. CAN WE WAIT? THERE WAS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. YEAH BUT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE, OKAY? YEAH 33. SO CAN WE DO THOSE AS ONE MOTION YOU CAN DO ALL THE ORDINANCES. AS WE HAVE TO ANNOUNCE THEM ALL THE ORDINANCE NUMBERS ON THE RECORD , BUT YOU COULD CONTINUE WHILE TO THE SAME DATE AND TIME. YES MIKE AND YOU ANNOUNCE ALL OF THE ORDINANCES AND THEN WE'LL JUST DO ONE MOTION TO CONTINUE, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS ON THERE FOR NEXT NOT DOING THAT YET. WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT TO THE

[23. EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD - SMALL-SCALE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT CONTINUED TO DATE CERTAIN DECEMBER 12, 2022 CITY COMMISSION (THIS IS A SINGLE READING ITEM) ORDINANCE No. 2500-2022; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THEREBY CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM "LOW DENSITY:' TO "EAST STUART' FOR 8.60 ACRES OF LAND; "OFFICE-RESIDENTIAL' TO "EAST STUART" FOR 1.93 ACRES OF LAND; "MULTI-FAMILY" TO "EAST STUART" FOR 4.50 ACRES OF LAND: "PUBLIC" TO "EAST STUART" FOR .53 ACRES OF LAND; AND "EAST STUART" TO "PUBLIC" FOR 5.16 ACRES OF LAND AS DEPICTED IN EXHIBIT "A" ATTACHED; DECLARING THE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. 24. THE CREEK DISTRICT - SMALL-SCALE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT CONTINUED TO DATE CERTAIN DECEMBER 12, 2022 CITY COMMISSION (THIS IS A SINGLE READING ITEM) ORDINANCE No. 2502-2022; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THEREBY CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND DESIGNATION FROM "COMMERCIAL" TO "DOWNTOWN" FOR 20.07 ACRES OF LAND AND "DOWNTOWN" TO "RECREATION" FOR .25 ACRES OF LAND AS DEPICTED IN EXHIBIT "A" ATTACHED; DECLARING THE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY: PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. 25. EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD - ZONING MAP AMENDMENT CONTINUED TO DATE CERTAIN DECEMBER 12, 2022 CITY COMMISSION ORDINANCE No. 2499-2022; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY'S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO ASSIGN "EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD" ZONING AND MAKE CHANGES FOR CONSISTENCY WITH FUTURE LAND USE MAP; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY: PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. 26. THE CREEK DISTRICT - ZONING MAP AMENDMENT CONTINUED TO DATE CERTAIN DECEMBER 12, 2022 CITY COMMISSION ORDINANCE No. 2501-2022; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY'S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO ASSIGN "THE CREEK DISTRICT" ZONING AND MAKE CHANGES FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT: PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY: PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. 27. EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD - LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT CONTINUED TO DATE CERTAIN DECEMBER 12, 2022 CITY COMMISSION ORDINANCE No. 2507-2022; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING AND RESTATING THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE; MORE SPECIFICALLY AMENDING CHAPTER III SPECIAL ZONING CODES FOR THE "EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD"; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTING PROVISIONS; PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. 28. THE CREEK DISTRICT - LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT CONTINUED TO DATE CERTAIN DECEMBER 12, 2022 CITY COMMISSION ORDINANCE No. 2498-2022; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING AND RESTATING THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE; MORE SPECIFICALLY AMENDING CHAPTER II ZONING DISTRICTS USES ALLOWED, DENSITY, INTENSITY; CHAPTER III SPECIAL ZONING CODES FOR "THE CREEK DISTRICT"; AND CHAPTER XII DEFINITIONS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTING PROVISIONS; PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

END OF THE AGENDA YET, BUT AS IT PERTAINS TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23 WHICH IS ORDINANCE 2500-2022 ITEM NUMBER, 24, WHICH IS 25. OH 2-2022 ITEM NUMBER 25, WHICH IS ORDINANCE 24 99 2022 ITEM NUMBER 26 WHICH IS ORDINANCE 25 OH, 1-2022. I AM NUMBER 27, WHICH IS ORDINANCE 25 7-2022 ITEM NUMBER 28, WHICH IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 98 2022 STAFF IS REQUESTING THAT THE COMMISSION CONTINUE THIS MATTER TO A DATE CERTAIN OF DECEMBER. THESE MATTERS TO A DATE CERTAIN OF DECEMBER 12TH.

2022 CAN WE HAVE A MOTION FOR TO CONTINUE THE ITEMS READ BY MR MARTEL TO DECEMBER 12 2022 MOTION TICKET. SO MOVED. I MOVED BY COMMISSIONER RICH AND DO WE HAVE A 2ND 2ND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COLLINS. OKAY SO DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION, SAYING NONE. MARY CALLED THE ROLL, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BRUNER. YES MR MCDONALD. COLLINS COMMISSIONER

[8. EASEMENT WITH FECR, L.L.C. FOR UNDERGROUND UTILITIES (RC): RESOLUTION No. 99-2022; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF STUART AND THE FLORIDA EAST COAST RAILWAY, L.L.C. ("FECR") FOR TWO (2) TEN (10) FOOT WIDE EASEMENTS RELATED TO THE PLACEMENT OF UNDERGROUND UTILITIES AS DEPICTED IN SCHEDULE A, RESCINDING ALL RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

RICH YES. WE'RE GOING TO GO NOW. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO ITEM EIGHT. LET'S SEE WHICH LET ME GET THAT FEARFUL THAT UP HERE IS , UH AND COMMISSIONER COWAN'S HAS REQUESTED THAT WE LOOK AT THIS ITEM AGAIN. SO, MIKE, WOULD YOU READ US THE AGENDA IN READ US THE ORDINANCE OR THE TITLE

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AND THEN WE'LL ADDRESS IT. ADDRESS IT TO MEET POLLED. I'M SORRY, IT WAS NOT NOT, BUT IT WAS DURING THE BREAK COLUMNS. THEY DID VOTE ON IT, BUT DURING IT WAS VOTED ON AS PART OF CONSENT. BUT DURING THE BREAK, COMMISSIONER, COLLINS RETURNED FROM THE BREAK AND ASKED THAT WE REVISIT THE ITEM BEFORE THE ENDING OF THE MEETING. AND THAT IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 99 DAYS TO GO TO A RESOLUTION, THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF STEWART AND THE FLORIDA EAST COAST RAILWAY LLC, KNOWN AS FC ER. FOR 2 10 FT WIDE EASEMENTS RELATED TO THE PLACEMENT OF UNDERGROUND UTILITIES DEPICTED AND SCHEDULE A WE'RE SENDING OVER RESOLUTIONS AND CONFLICT, PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATA FOR OTHER PURPOSES. DO YOU WANNA BANG IT OUT NOW OR BUMP AT THE NEXT MEETING? UM WELL, YEAH, GO AHEAD. YOU'RE GOING TO DO A RECONSIDERATION OF THE NEXT. MR DAVIS, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL US ABOUT THE ITEMS? HOLD ON. I'M TRYING TO PULL UP. BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS EASEMENT AGREEMENT WAS FROM BRIGHT LINE AND NOT FCC. INCORRECT ON THAT, MIKE. I THOUGHT THERE'S A PCR. IT'S THE FCC'S PROPERTY, BUT IT'S FOR BRIGHT LINES, WHATEVER. BUT TECHNICALLY THEY'RE THE LANDOWNER, AND HE SEES A TENANT SO I DON'T KNOW. OKAY, UM, SO PROPERTY. WELL THE EASEMENT IS ON OUR PROPERTY. BEING GIVEN TO WHO WHO'S GETTING IT IS THE QUESTION. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS BRIGHT LINE, SO IT'S AN EASEMENT ACROSS THE FLAGLER PARKING LOT GOING TOWARDS THE WEST. THIS IS FOR RUNNING POWER LINES TO ENHANCE THE, UM DRAWBRIDGE PORTION OF THE BRIDGE . ANOTHER ITEM WILL BE COMING TO YOU GUYS AGAIN FROM BRIGHT LINE FOR THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BRIDGE TO UTILIZE OUR PROPERTY FOR STAGING AND MOBILIZATION OF EQUIPMENT TO WORK ON THAT DRAWBRIDGE FOR OFF OF THE NORTH SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY. UM THEY HAVE NOT SENT ME BACK THAT ITEM YET, SO THEY'RE NOT PREPARED FOR IT, BUT WE HAVE REVIEWED IT AND SEND IT BACK WITH OUR COMMENTS. BOTH OF THESE. I BELIEVE I THOUGHT IT SAYS 40 EAST COAST, BUT WHEN I SAW THEM THIS SEASON IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE FOR POWER.

AND THEN THE NORTH SIDE. WE OWN. THAT PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SIDE OF THE BRIDGE IS FOR BASICALLY FOR THEM TO UTILIZE IT OR MOBILIZATION OF THEIR EQUIPMENT. UM AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE EASEMENT IS FOR. IT'S A IT'S A SMALL HE'S MEANT JUST TO RUN THE POWER THREE PHASE POWER, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BRIDGE, SO IT'S MY UNDERSTAND FROM READING THE ITEMS. THE SORRY SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE FROM READING THE ITEM, FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT, PUT A NEW TRANSFORMER AND THEY NEED TO GET TO THAT TRANSFORMER FURTHER POWER FOR THREE DAYS.

THE REALITY OF IT IS THAT FOR A POWER AND LIGHT HAS A UH, FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY TO PUT THEIR LINES IN OUR RIGHT OF WAYS. HOWEVER THIS LITTLE ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT THE BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH BONG TRAFFIC LANES OF DOWN BY FLAGLER PARK IS NOT RIGHT OF WAY . IT IS ACTUALLY FEE SIMPLE, OWNED BY THE CITY OF STEWART, SO THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT DOES NOT GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO RUN THE LINES WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT. SO HE WAS MY THOUGHT IS WE ALMOST HAVE NEVER HAVE LEVERAGE WITH BRIGHT LINE EVER RIGHT, SO OR IF YOU SEE SO I'M A LITTLE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT WHO'S GETTING IT RIGHT. BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ALONG THERE THAT WE LEASE FROM FCC AND THE INTERSECTIONS, I ASKED JOLIE AND HE SAID THE PARKING SPACES ALONE ARE LIKE 54 GRAND A YEAR, THE INTERSECTION THAT CONFUSION CORNERS LIKE 30, AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT SOME OF THOSE OTHER INTERSECTIONS ARE. WHETHER IT'S THIS PARTICULAR ITEM THAT THERE THEY NEED TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO OR, YOU KNOW, FUTURE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE IS AND I TALKED TO MR MARTEL AND HE HAD A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS WITH THE HARBOR RIDGE I WANNA BECOMES UNTENABLE TO DEAL WITH THE LEAST BECAUSE THEIR RELEASES A PRE, UM ESCALATE AT 5% A YEAR SORT OF THEIR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE. AND IT BECOMES UNTENABLE FOR LIKE HEART BRIDGE. AT SOME POINT, HARVARD WAS SAID WE CAN'T PAY THIS ANYMORE BECAUSE JUST 364 $100,000 A YEAR FEES, PARKING SPACES, YOU KNOW, AND SO WHEN IT BECOMES UNTENABLE, UM FCC WILL COME IN AND RENEGOTIATE AND BASICALLY HIT THE RESET BUTTON AND START OVER AND THEN SLOWLY START ESCALATING TO THE ON THAT 5% SO MY THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE ALMOST NEVER HAVE LEVERAGE. WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT NOW, WHETHER THEY WANTED THAT THAT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY COULD JUST COMMANDEER IT. I DON'T KNOW. BUT THE THOUGHT BEING WHY NOT RENEGOTIATE OR ATTEMPT TO GIVE IT A SHOT TO HIT THE RESET BUTTON ON THAT AND SORT OF START OVER WITH THAT 5% ESCALATOR? UH SINCE WHO KNOWS WHEN THE LAST TIME WE DID. THAT WAS A NINETIES OR SOMETHING. I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. EXCEPT FOR OKAY. DO YOU HAVE TO GET THD

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CONSEQUENCES AND TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION OUR PARKING LEASES IF I'M CORRECT, MIKE HAVE A 30 DAY ACROSS THE INTERSECTIONS. SO ALL OF THE INTERSECTIONS AND ALL THE PARKING THEY THEY CAN END THE LEASES WHERE WE CROSS THAT CONFUSION CORNER. WE RELEASED THAT INTERSECTION FROM THEM, AND I DO KNOW THERE WAS A TIME IN STEWART'S HISTORY WHERE THEY WERE WHEN LOCAL GOVERNMENT COULD GIVE TRAIN SPEEDING TICKETS AND THE CITY OF STUART GAVE SPEEDING TICKETS AND THEY SHOWED UP WITH THIS AND START GETTING READY TO CLOSE OFF THE INTERSECTION OF CONFUSION, QUARTER WITH POWER.

THEY'RE STARTING. THEY'RE READY TO START DRILLING THE BALLADS. I MEAN, DO YOU THINK IT'S WORTH A SHOT THAT THEY WOULD JUST COME IN AND CLOSE ALL OUR INTERSECTIONS FOR EVEN ASKING, THEY MIGHT TAKE OUR PARKING AWAY FROM US RESPOND REAL QUICK. SO JOLIE DID SEND SOME NUMBERS, AND I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE SENT IT TO YOU, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE NUMBERS. FOR EXAMPLE, MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD THAT LEASE SPACE IS 5700 A YEAR. UM THAT'S INCREASED FROM 2019 AT 4700 TO CURRENTLY AT 7 5040. AND THEN OUR PARKING SPACES ARE CURRENTLY AT 1 40,088 BACK IN 2019. THEY WERE 33,000. SO THERE IS THIS INCREMENTAL INCREASES AND IT DOES GO UP AS YOU POINTED OUT. I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE BRIGHT LINE ENTITY. I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE INTERACTION BETWEEN BRIGHT LINE AT THE C ON TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS. ONE IS A NEW BRIDGE.

WHERE THEIR ENTIRE PROCESS OF ENGINEERING WAS COMPLETELY BROUGHT TO A STOP AND FCC TOOK IT OVER AND WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO EVEN TALK ABOUT THE SUBJECT UNTIL PCS ENGINEERS REVIEWED THE PROJECT. FTC IS EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT OH, THEY'RE THE SISTER COMPANY WITH ITS EFFICACY IS HERE AND BRIGHT LINE IS HERE. AND SO, UH, FLORIDA STREET. FCC CAME IN AND DIDN'T LIKE WHAT THEY DID AND SAID OKAY, GET YOUR PARK TO US. GET YOUR PARK OFF OUR PROPERTY, AND WE'RE GONNA CUT THE END OF YOUR OF MARTIN LUTHER KING PARK OFF AND I MEAN, THEY THEY HAVE THEY HOLD THE CARDS AND I DON'T THINK THIS EASEMENT IS ENOUGH. BY ASKING A CARD FOREST. THINK YOU? I THINK I THINK IT COULD BE THE UNINTENDED BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOUR THINKING. I THINK THAT IF WE GET TO SORRY, INTERRUPTED, WE GET TO THE POINT OF THIS NEW BRIDGE BECAUSE IT'S OUR PROPERTY , THEN THAT THEY ACTUALLY NEED THAT. THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET ON THE OTHER SIDE. WHEN WE GET TO WHEN THEY ACTUALLY GET TO THE POINT WHERE THE THERE WHERE THERE'S DECIDED TO ACTUALLY BUILD A BRIDGE, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO NEED A PIECE OF PROPERTY NORTH OF ORIGINAL NORTHPOINT FRONT AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RUN THE TRACKS RIGHT THROUGH THE CENTER OF OUR PROPERTY. THAT'S WHEN WE'LL HAVE THAT ONE. WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LEVERAGE THE GOING TO BE A DIRECTIONAL DRILLING 30 FT UNDER IT ALSO SHOULD BE. IT IS WORTH WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING ANYTHING WITH THEM FOR US TO BRING UP THE INDEXING AND SAYING THAT WE'RE BECAUSE I NEED I THINK THEY NEED TO THINK AND FEEL THAT WE ARE FEELING THE PROBLEM OF THAT INDEXING ALREADY BECAUSE IF WE BRING IT UP ONE TIME THE FIRST TIME, RIGHT? BRING IT UP, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT DOING THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY BRING IT UP BUT NOT LEVERAGES, RIGHT? I THINK WE'RE TALKING TO THE WRONG AND RIGHT. WHAT WE NEED IS WILL START AS STAFF. PRESSING THAT EVERY TIME THAT WE HAVE ANY COMMUNICATION LETTER THAT WE SEND OR JUST YOU. I THINK IT JUST HAPPENS ENOUGH WHERE YOU WANNA GO? I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S STAFF COMMUNICATION. COME HERE.

WE ARE WORKING WITH A PC ON. REMEMBER WHAT THEY SENT US RECENTLY WITH HIS BOX OUT HERE WHNTED US TO ADD THAT TO THE LEAST. SO THAT'S A DIRECT CONTACT. WE ARE WORKING WITH NBC ON THAT'S WHAT WILL BE BY THE WAY AND START THE CONVERSATION ABOUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS COMMISSIONER, COLLEGE COMMISSIONER RICH WE WHEN THEY GO IN EVERY LIGHT SEVEN YEARS FROM THE ONLY REBUILD THE TRACKS. WE PAY FOR IT, AND NOT ONLY DO WE PAY FOR IT, BUT WE DON'T GET A SAY IN IT AT ALL. AND THEY JUST SEND US A BILL AND WE PAY AND WERE EXPECTED TO PAY IT WITHIN, LIKE 10 DAYS OR SOMETHING. YES FTC PLAYS ROUGH. YEAH WE GOT A LOT OF STAFF OUT HERE. IT'S TIME TO GO. SO MARRIED ROOM SO COMMISSIONER CO

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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