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OKAY? ALRIGHT WE HAVE EVERYONE ALRIGHT. LET'S CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. DO WE HAVE THE AGENDA SOMEWHERE? YOU GOT TO DO YOU NEED A COFFEE? IF POSSIBLE, OR TO PUT IT UP THERE? I LOOKED AT IT, BUT I DIDN'T BRING IT WITH ME. THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S CALL TO ORDER. CHAIRPERSON LORENE HERE, VICE CHAIRPERSON BROWNFIELD REMEMBER QUESO MEMBER JOBY BOARD MEMBER MATHERS MEMBER , STRONG BOARD MEMBER, STUCKEY. FANTASTIC ALRIGHT, LET'S DO THE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE. SORRY. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS . ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALRIGHT
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FANTASTIC, UM, BOARD MEMBER OATH. THAT WOULD BE NOW. UM SO THERE'S. WAY THAT THE CODE READ JUST TECHNICALLY, ALL MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. OUR NEW THIS YEAR, AND SO WHEN YOU SEE ABOUT COMMISSIONERS, EVEN THOUGH THE SECOND OR THIRD TERM THEY'RE SWORN IN EACH TERM. THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A LONG TIME OR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE SWORN IN BECAUSE AFTER THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS THAT TOOK PLACE IN 21, I THINK IT WAS THEY CHANGED IT SO ALL BOARDS THAT USED TO BE FOUR YEAR TERMS, BUT NOW THEY'VE CHANGED IT TO ONE YEAR TERMS FOR ALL THE ADVISORY BOARDS. SO I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYONE TO. UM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THESE IN FRONT OF YOU OR NOT, BUT WE'RE GONNA GO ALONG. I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO REPEAT IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME. FOR THE OLDER ONES WILL DO THE ANIMAL HOUSE THING, BUT I STATE YOUR NAME TELL UNREAD QUALIFIED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION QUALIFIED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION , FLORIDA, FLORIDA. AGAIN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND THE CODE FOR THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA. TO SERVE AS A MEMBER. JUST SERVICE MEMBER OF THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY OF THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY. AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY AND I WILL DWELL PERFORM THE DUTIES PERFORMANCE OF AN ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER. ON WHICH I AM ABOUT TO ENTER ON WHICH I AM ABOUT TO ENTER, SO HELP ME GOD HELP ME. GOD WELCOME ABOARD AND THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME. THE CLERK IS NOW GOING TO GIVE EACH ONE OF YOU THE FORM THAT SHE'S GOING TO ASK YOU TO SIGN WHICH SHE WILL THEN RENDER AND MAKE OFFICIAL AND AT THE END OF YOUR SERVICE, WE CAN GET THAT BACK TO YOU TO FRAME SOMEWHERE. PUT UP ON YOUR OFFICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. FANTASTIC. THANK YOU.THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ANNUAL BOARD REORGANIZATION. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE KEEP THE CURRENT
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CHAIRMAN. SECOND. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SUPPOSED TO BE ALL IN FAVOR OR NOT ALL IN FAVOR. AYE ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. OKAY WHO IS? YEAH APPROVED, THEN VICE CHAIR NOMINATION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE IT A MOTION FOR THE CURRENT VICE CHAIR. SECOND ENDED. HASN'T BEEN SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, ANY OPPOSED? AWESOME OKAY. UM I WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
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PETITION FOR VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS, UH, CHAIR LORRAINE AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR THE RECORD. JODI COOGLER, DIRECTOR WITH THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT . TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING AGENDA ITEMS 14145 AND. SIX THE APPLICANT OF RED TAIL DESIGN[00:05:06]
SUBMITTED PETITION ON BEHALF OF STEWART AUDIBLE L. C FOR VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION. TO INCORPORATE THE 0.34 ACRES FROM MARTIN COUNTY TO THE CITY OF STEWART JURISDICTION. A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO ASSIGN THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY OF COMMERCIAL AND ASSIGN A B FOR LIMITED BUSINESS MANUFACTURING ZONING DESIGNATION. FOR A PROJECT TO BE KNOWN AS STEWART OTTO. WELL BARON COMMERCE CENTER. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY HAS A COUNTY LAND USE AND ZONING DESIGNATION. THE LAND USE IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND ZONING IS B ONE BUSINESS. ON DECEMBER 27TH 2022, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED NOTIFICATION LETTERS TO 19 OWNERS OF PROPERTIES WITHIN 300 FT. OF THE PROPOSED PETITIONS. ONE PUBLIC NOTICE SIGN DETAIL INDEED, LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY INTO THE COMMISSION'S PUBLIC HEARINGS WAS PERSON ON THE PREMISE AND ADVERTISEMENT DISPLAYED IN THE TC PALM NEWSPAPER ON JANUARY 3RD 2020 33. THE 0.34 ACRE SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SOUTHEAST MONTEREY ROAD. DECIDED IS BOUNDED BY THE CITY OF STEWART TO THE NORTHEAST, NORTHWEST, SOUTH AND ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST. THIS TABLE DEPICTS THE EXISTING USES ZONING DISTRICTS AND FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS A GENERAL COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS A COUNTY FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.ACCORDING TO THE CITY OF STEWART COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY, 1.87 POINT FIVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY SHALL BE GIVEN A CITY LAND USE DESIGNATION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AFTER THE ANNEXATION IS FINALIZED. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THE PROPERTY BE SIGNED A FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY OF COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJACENT SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS A B ONE BUSINESS. ZONING DESIGNATION, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE COUNTY. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THE PROPERTY BE ASSIGNED A B FOR LIMITED BUSINESS MANUFACTURING ZONING DESIGNATION. THIS PETITION CONFORMS TO THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN THE SECTION 11.1 12 OF THE CITY OF STEWART LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, FLORIDA STATUES, AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES. OF THE CITY OF STEWART COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF HER APPROVAL TO THE CITY OF COMMISSION FOR THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION OF THE 0.34 ACRES ON FIRST READING. THIS THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT. THIS PETITION CONFORMS TO THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION 11.1 POINT 07 OF THE CITY'S STEWART LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, FLORIDA STATUES AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE CITY OF STEWART COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY FOR THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY OF COMMISSION TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THE FUTURE. LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT ASSIGNING THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY OF COMMERCIAL OF THE 0.34 ACRES ON FIRST READING. AND LAST THE THIS SPECIFIC PETITION CONFORMS TO THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION 11.2 POINT 00 OF THE CITY OF STEWART LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, FLORIDA STATURES AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE CITY OF STEWART COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY FOR A RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THE OFFICIAL ZONING ATLAS TO ASSIGN A B FOUR LIMITED BUSINESS MANUFACTURING ZONE. FASCINATION OF THE 40.34 ACRES ON FIRST READING. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND THE APPLICANT AND STAFF ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. IS THE APPLICANT HAVE A PRESENTATION YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE SEPARATELY. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND WE DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION. WE'RE HERE TO ACTUALLY SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. STAFFS OF PRESENTATION THERE ANY QUESTIONS? WE'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER THOSE AT ANY TIME. OKAY SO, UM, CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION AND MAYBE MR MORTAL, YOU CAN ALSO GIVE AN ANSWER SO WE SHOULD TREAT THESE WE NEED TO VOTE SEPARATELY ON EACH OF THESE ITEMS CORRECTLY. CORRECT. EXCUSE ME, CORRECT. MR MARTEL. SO WHEN THERE IS A MOTION, WE NEED TO MAKE THREE SEPARATE MOTIONS. RIGHT, RIGHT. THE QUESTION IS.
UNITED STATION. FOR THE ZONING. 4 20. YEAH IF THERE IS NOT A CONSENSUS ON THE ZONING THEN YOU
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PROBABLY WANT TO HAVE A SEPARATE MOTION FOR THE ZONING. BUT IT'S FINE DURING DELIBERATION AND DISCUSSION THAT THE BOARD ITSELF ALL AGREES THAT IT SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL WITH B FOR ZONING.THAT IT ACTUALLY CAN BE DONE BY ONE. ORDERED IN PROBABLY CLEAN. ONE ANNEXATION. 11 PLANNED USE ONE SO THREE SEPARATE MOTIONS BUT PHYSICALLY SEPARATE AND THEN THE ZONING AND ANNEXATION. OKAY I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHATEVER WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE LEGALLY THING TO DO. ZONING. THE ANNEXATION. OKAY. SEPARATE. OKAY LAND USES A ONE READING. SO WHICH IT WAS ONLY BREAK. OKAY I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD SINCE IT WAS KIND OF COMBINED INTO ONE JUST THEN. OKAY, SO LET'S GO FIRST. WITH THE ANNEXATION OF THE PROPERTY.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYTHING ONLINE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY BOARD COMMENT OR QUESTION REGARDING THAT QUESTIONS? OKAY JUST STARTING ON THIS BOARD, AND I ONLY GOT THIS AGENDA. WELL AFTER THE SIXTH. IT'S GOING TO BE PAR FOR THE COURSE THAT WE'RE GOING TO 100 AND 36 PAGE. SUBMISSION LIKE FOUR OR FIVE DAYS BEFORE MEETING USUALLY, YES POSSIBLE TO GET THAT MUCH EARLIER BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY I MEAN, THIS IS AN EASY ONE, I THINK, BUT AND THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS TO THINK THAT WE CAN BE PREPARED TO VOTE ON AN APPLICATION NUMBER FOUR OR FIVE DAYS. NOTICE TO LOOK AT THE APPLICATION BECAUSE SOME OF THESE ARE I EXPECT WILL BE A LOT MORE COMPLICATED. AND I DID REALIZE UNTIL I SAW THE BIGGER MAP THIS PROPERTY THAT'S TO THE EAST BY THE APPLICANT TOURS THAT OWNED BY SOMEBODY ELSE, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE PEACE AND BY THE WAY, MY NAME IS TODD MURRAY FOR THE THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WHAT YOU'LL SEE. ACTUALLY JODI HAD HAD A NICE MAP THAT ACTUALLY HAD THE MAGENTA COLOR. BETTER MAP. I THINK. YEAH THAT'S BIGGER IS TO THE EAST IS THAT'S STILL IN THE COUNTY. SO WE'RE JUST ATTACHING YOUR PIECE TO THAT BIGGER PIECE THERE THE PIECE DIRECTLY BENEATH THE B FOUR PIECE. WE HAVE THAT UNDER OWNERSHIP TODAY, OKAY? 40.34 PIECE THAT CONNECTS. UM THERE'S A PERSON THAT OWNS THAT PIECE IN THE MIDDLE. ANYWHERE NEVER GOT NOTICED. THEY HAVE NOT OBJECTED. BECAUSE ANY OF THE CONSENSUS 100 AND 36 PAGES AND THERE'S NO WAY BUT I COULD HAVE POSSIBLY READ ALL OF IT. I TRIED TO GET HIM.
INFORMED AS I COULD. WE'RE NOT. WE'RE JUST VOTING FOR THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION AND THE ANNEXATION. WE ARE NOT APPROVING A SPECIFIC PRODUCT PROJECT TODAY, ARE WE? NO I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A NEW P APPEARED TO BE COMING BEFORE JUST SAYING IT COULD BE PART OF THE OTHER PARCEL AND THE ZONING WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE OTHER PARCEL IS THE. THAT'S WHAT I HEAR. DOES HAVE. EXCUSE ME, MIKE. YES, THANK YOU. THE CHALLENGE THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING PENDING AGAINST THE CITY WAS THAT WE WERE PRESENTING THE PROJECT AT THE SAME TIME AS THE FUTURE LAND USE AND CO MINGLING . THE DISCUSSIONS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT. DURING THE PENDENCY OF THAT CHALLENGE, AND IRONICALLY, THE BIG THING WAS THE BOARD KIND OF WANTS TO KNOW WHAT THE PROJECT IS. THAT'S A NO . NO, I GUESS. WELL UM, SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THEY DO HAVE A PROJECT THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON MOVING FORWARD ON. BUT IT MAY BE STRAIGHT ZONING INTO THE COMMERCIAL. ZONING CODE ANYWAY, SO THEY WOULDN'T BE BECOMING BEFORE THE BOARD. SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS NO. YOU GUYS ARE NOT APPROVING ANY SPECIFIC THAN AT ALL, BECAUSE I MEAN, NOT THAT I'D BE OPPOSED TO IT IF I HAD TIME TO PREPARE, BUT I OBVIOUSLY DO NOT HAVE TIME TO PREPARE IT REALLY HELP THE SITUATION. SO WHENEVER YOU DO AN ANNEXATION, AND THIS IS SOMETHING DONE QUASI WOULD KNOW INSIDE AND OUT. SO WHEN WE TAKE AN ANNEXATION AND YOU AN EXTRA PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND YOU WILL ADD A LAND USE CATEGORY AND THEN YOU ADD A ZONING CATEGORY OF THAT YOU'RE DOING JUST STRAIGHT ZONING. AND AS AS MIKE MENTIONED THEY'RE PROBABLY RUN INTO.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE SAY, OH, WELL, WHAT IS IT? YOU'RE PROPOSING? AND SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, MAYBE WE HAD A PROPOSAL FOR SOMETHING AND THEN GOD, GOD, YOU KNOW, INTERVENES AND SOMETHING HAPPENS . LAND OWNERSHIP CHANGES, AND GRANDMA'S COOKIES WAS COMING IN, AND IT'S SOMETHING ELSE DONE.
LAND USE PLAYING FOR A LONG TIME. I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF STRENGTHENING HATE P U D S. I HATE THINGS WHERE YOU COME IN AND ASK FOR A BUNCH OF THINGS THEIR DISCRETIONARY. I LIKE STRAIGHT ZONING BECAUSE I USED TO DO LAND USE PLANNING WHAT I COULD OPEN MY ZONE COLOR AND TOLD MY CLIENTS WHAT THEY COULD DO THEIR PROPERTY PROCESS WE GO THROUGH NOW. AND JUST, I THINK NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. BUT THAT'S FOR ANOTHER DAY. NOW. I AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT APPROVING SPECIFIC
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PROJECTS AND JUST SAYING THIS IS PART OF YOUR EXISTING PROPERTY, AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE THE SAME.SOMETHING IS RESISTING PROPERTY. I GOT NO PROBLEM WITH OKAY, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND SO EVERYTHING IN THE MAGENTA AND KIND OF RED, SO THAT IS THE CITY RIGHT NOW THAT'S ANNEXED INTO THE CITY ALREADY. OKAY AND THE EXISTING PROPERTY AROUND IT THAT YOU HAVE IS ALREADY IN THE CITY. SO BASICALLY, NO, I'M SORRY. EVERYTHING INSIDE THE YELLOW CIRCLE THAT 0.34 IS WHAT'S ABOUT TO COME INTO THE CITY. BUT I MEAN, I GUESS I'M TALKING ABOUT SO YOU ALSO OWN THE OTHER B FOUR CATEGORIES THERE. OKAY SO THIS WOULD BE JOINING THE PROPERTY THAT YOU ALREADY OWN THAT IT BUT THE OTHER BE. FOURS ARE ALREADY IN THE CITY. SO THIS IS JUST ADDING TO THE PROPERTY. I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? YES, MA'AM. I HAVE A QUESTION. THE PIECE THAT'S BEING ANNEXED IN. DO YOU KNOW YOU'RE SAYING LAND USED? YOU KNOW WHAT IT WILL BE USED FOR? WE DO. WE DO SO AND THIS IS WHAT MR MARTEL MENTIONED. WE ACTUALLY WORKING ON A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT FOR THE LARGER BEFORE PEACE. THIS WILL ATTACH TO THAT DEVELOPMENT AND AT THIS POINT, IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN SPACE SO IT WILL NOT HAVE ANY OPEN SPACES SPACES. WHEN YOU DON'T PUT ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ON IT. IT'LL BE GREEN SPACE. OKAY ALRIGHT.
GREAT. THANK YOU. FEW JUST SO I UNDERSTAND FROM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT IF THIS AND MIKE MAYBE THIS IS YOUR QUESTION AGAIN. UM IF THIS PIECE ONCE YOU HAVE A P U D, BUT IF IT ALREADY FITS CURRENT ZONING, IT DOESN'T EVEN COME BEFORE US CORRECT. SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, CORRECT WHETHER IT CAME BEFORE YOU'RE NOT. WE CAN'T COMMINGLE THE ISSUES ANYWAY. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH.
MR MURRAY'S RIGHT. THAT PURPLE PIECE THAT THEY'RE ANNEXING IS GOING TO STAY GREEN SPACE. OKAY TO THEIR PARCEL IS JUST PART OF THEIR PROPERTY, A GREAT PROJECT THAT THERE I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED. I THINK IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE CITY UNDER STRAIGHT CODE UNDER THE COMMERCIAL CODE. SO IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL USE, BUT IT WON'T COME BACK UNLESS THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH SOMETHING THAT ARISES IN THE FUTURE THAT I'M AWARE OF A STRAIGHT ZONING PROJECT. OKAY ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE A UNION OF TITLE ALREADY BETWEEN THAT PARCEL ON THE OTHER ONE? OR WILL THERE BE UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP? BUT THERE IS NOTHING SO UNITY OF TITLE UNTIL WE GO. MANY OF YOUR RIGHT RYAN THERE WILL AS PART OF THE APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT OFFICE TO GET ANY CREDIT. IT IS GREEN SPACE ON THEIR UNDERLYING PROJECT. CAN BE OFFSITE. OKAY? MADAM CHAIRMAN. IT. I SEE THIS IS OUR JOB HERE IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS INAPPROPRIATE ANNEXATION FOR THE CITY OF STEWART. I FEEL IT IS AND SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION ON THAT. BUT THIS PROPERLY BEGAN ITS INTO THE CITY OF STEWART.
SECOND, SORRY, AND DO YOU NEED TO DO THE INDIVIDUAL CALL, OKAY. YOU PROBABLY DO AN OWN THING.
PUBLIC COMMENT AGAIN. OKAY, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY? VICE CHAIR, BRUMFIELD. YES CHAIRPERSON LORENE MEMBERS FROM YES. YES, BABY. YES, REMEMBER SAKE? MEMBER MATHERS. MY APOLOGIES. YES YEAH . WHERE ARE YOU BETTER DOESN'T MEAN ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NUMBER OF FIVE. WHICH IS THE AUTOBOT UP. EXCUSE ME. AUTO VAULT PETITION FOR A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE PROPERTY. UM.
CAN ANYBODY DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YOU TAKE YOU TAKE IN GENERAL HAVE TAKEN GENERAL. SO NOW WE DO. OKAY ALRIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. CALL A ZONING CHANGES SMALL SCALE COMPANIES TO PLAN AMENDMENT. WHAT SO WHAT'S WHAT? EXCUSE ME SO IN THEORY. WHAT IT'S JUST HAPPENED IS THAT PARCEL OF LAND ? IF THIS WAS THE COMMISSION WOULD HAVE JUST ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. WELL AS SOON AS IT ANNEXES INTO THE CITY. IT DOES NOT HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE ASSIGNED TO IT . IN ORDER FOR US TO ASSIGN A FUTURE LAND USE. WE HAVE TO DO A SMALL SCALE SMALL SCALE BEING LESS THAN 50 ACRES UNDER THE STATE'S STATUTE, FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT TO ASSIGN A FUTURE LAND USE AND TO AMEND OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO DESIGNATE A FUTURE LAND USE FOR THAT SITE.
THAT IS, IN THEORY. OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT YET BECAUSE IT'S THE COMMISSION THAT WOULD DO IT. BUT AS AN ADVISORY BOARD, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME ORDER. THEY WOULD LOOK AT IT, AND IT'S PRESUMING IT'S NOW IN THE CITY IN THE CITY. IT NO LONGER HAS ANY LAND USE FOR ZONING BECAUSE IF IT WAS OWN COMMERCIAL IN THE COUNTY UPON ANNEXATION THAT TERMINATES. COUPLE 100 QUESTIONS THE FUTURE LAND USE THIS BEING REQUESTED THE SAME AS THE FUTURE LAND USE ON THE REST OF THE
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OWNERS. PARCEL YES, SIR. OKAY SO AS LONG AS IT'S CONSISTENT, THANK YOU. DURING THE PRESENTATION, YOU'LL HEAR THAT. OKAY, BUT ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY ANY OTHER COMMENTS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE WE HAD TO ASK AGAIN, RIGHT? YOU GENERAL PUBLIC KIND OF LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS UNTIL THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, OKAY? GOT IT SECOND, DELIBERATE IT AND THEN BEFORE YOU VOTE ON IT, YOU WOULD HAVE A GOT IT. CHAIRMAN WAIT, HOLD ON. QUESTIONS AHEAD. QUESTION AND I'M NEW AND I APOLOGIZE. BUT IF YOU'RE DOING FUTURE LAND USE DOES THIS HAVE TO BE DESIGNATED AS GREEN SPACE ? SINCE YOU STATED IT WAS GOING TO BE GREEN SPACE IS THAT CONSIDERED A FUTURE LAND USE? FIRST OF ALL, IT'S YOUR AGAIN GETTING BACK TO YOUR NOT ALLOWED. TWO. DESIGNATED AS ANYTHING OKAY AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT ORDER IN A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION BECAUSE WE CAN'T COMMINGLE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. BUT ALL YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO IS GIVE IT ONE OF THE 13 FUTURE LAND USE IS THAT THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HAS TOLD YOU IS THAT THE APPLICANT APPLICANT HAS APPLIED FOR A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL IF YOU LOOK AT THE CRITERIA UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE, 1633184. AND 3177. IT GIVES YOU THE CRITERIA OF WHAT YOU NEED TO REVIEW TO DETERMINE FUTURE LAND USE, AND ONE OF THE PRIMARY ISSUES IS COMPATIBILITY WITH ADJACENT PROPERTIES. AND IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE YOU CAN'T SEE ON THE MAP NOW, BUT ACROSS THE STREET IS COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTHEAST COMMERCIAL TO THE WEST HAS COMMERCIAL AND TO THE EAST COMMERCIAL, SO 100% OF THE PROPERTIES IN EVERY DIRECTION OF THIS PARCEL ARE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE. THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE SAME FUTURE LAND USE AS THE OTHER PROPERTIES SURROUNDING THEM. ONCE IT IS A. COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE IF IT WAS IN FRONT OF YOU AS A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, OR A PEW D ONE OF OUR P U D REQUIREMENTS IS THAT 25% OF THE PROPERTY BE DEDICATED TO GREEN SPACE. OKAY, AT THAT POINT, YOU WOULD DO CHOPPING IT UP AND DIVIDING IT INTO THAT OR WHERE THAT WERE BEING PRESENTED. HOW THAT WAS. COMING RIGHT NOW.IT'S JUST AS IF IT'S THERE'S NO PROJECT ON IT. NO ROADS, NO HOUSES, NO BUILDINGS. NO COMMERCIAL USE, NO OFFICES. NOTHING. IT'S JUST THIS IS THE THING. WE HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE KEEPING IT GREEN BECAUSE THAT COMMERCIAL APPLICATION THAT THEY SENT ALREADY SUBMITTED FOR THE BIGGER PROJECT SHOWS IT AS GREEN AND THEY NEEDED TO MEET OUR CODE AND ADMINISTRATES ZONING. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY THEY'RE DOING IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION NOW? SURE ONCE AGAIN I HELP PH. OUR JOB IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE LAND USE FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. MY OPINION. DO SO I RECOMMEND STAFF. VERBAL I SECON, CHAIRPERSON LORENE? YES NUMBER. MATHERS YES, VICE CHAIRPERSON BRUMFIELD. YES MEMBER STRONG.
YES REMEMBER STOCKY MEMBER GOP? YES. ALRIGHT WONDERFUL. WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS THE PETITION FOR REZONE TO THE OFFICIAL ZONING ATLAS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE FRONTING OF MONTEREY ROAD. JUST BRIEFLY BEFORE YOU DELIBERATE THAT ISSUE. THIS IS THE ONLY FUTURE LAND USE. THAT HAS THE SAME WORD AS ZONING AS THE ZONING WORD. GUESS BEFORE, IS THE ZONING, SO IT'S NOT EVEN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING THAT WE'RE DOING, BUT WHAT'S HAPPENED NOW IS THE CUP PLAN IS FUTURE LAND USE IS IT'S A VERY BROAD STROKE. COMMERCIAL BEING THE COP PLAN, THEN WITHIN COMMERCIAL, THERE'S MEDICAL. THERE'S BEFORE B TWO B ONE, THERE'S OFFICES. THERE'S YOU KNOW WHERE HOUSE THERE'S LOTS OF BIGGER AND SMALLER THINGS THIS BEFORE IS WHAT THE SURROUNDING ZONING MAP WOULD SHOW YOU IS THE ENTIRE PARCEL THAT'S BEHIND IT ALREADY AS WELL. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE IT BE BEFORE IS BECAUSE IT IS COMPATIBLE. WITH THE ADJACENT LAND USES. WHICH ARE THE SAME AS IT NEXT DOOR TO IT AS BEFORE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A ZONING MAP. UM IN THE PRESENTATION OR NOT. YES SO THAT YOU CAN SEE ACROSS THE STREET IS B TWO AND THEN THE LARGE PORTION OF PURPLE IS BEFORE AND B TWO AND B FOUR ARE BOTH COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USES, AND THE ZONING IS A BIT OF A NUANCES. TO WHAT USES CAN BE IN THEM WHEN I SAY USES MOVIE THEATERS, RESTAURANTS, UH AUTO SALES. I MEAN, LIKE WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMERCIAL USES THAT CAN BE DONE. AND I THINK BEFORE
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IS A LITTLE MORE ON THE SOFTER, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SIDE THAN B TWO, WHICH WOULD BE MORE ALONG THE OFFICE AND MORE TOWARDS THE RETAIL SIDE. IF THAT'S THE WAY TO DESCRIBE IT, THANK YOU. I GOT A QUICK QUESTION. UM FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT. NOW THEY'LL NEED TO BE FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE WITH THE OTHER ZONING. OTHER WORDS, THE CITY IRONICALLY IN THEIR PROJECT IF IT WAS B TWO, OR B FOUR, ZONING NEEDED IT FOR THE GREEN SPACE OR THE PERMEABLE AND THAT STUFF THAT THEY'RE USING, AS LONG AS AS MR STRONG POINTED OUT , IT HAD A UNITY OF TITLE AND IT WAS IN THE ORLAND THE CITY BECAUSE IT'S THE FUTURE LAND USE THAT WOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT THERE SO WE'D BE ABLE TO USE IT AS B TWO OR AS BEFORE. SO IT WOULDN'T MATTER ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THE ONLY REASON FOR IT IS BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY SURROUNDED BY D FOUR CONSECUTIVE FRANK. UNDER. ALREADY. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER BOARD QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC? ALRIGHT WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION MOTION? THE SECOND. SECOND OKAY? IN PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE MOTION. LOOKING AT THE SUN. REMEMBER QUASI? YES PERSON. LORING YES, CHAIRPERSON BRUMFIELD? YES REMEMBER JOBE? YES REMEMBER? MATHERS YES, MEMBER STUDY AND BOARD MEMBER. STRONG? YES. ALRIGHT FANTASTIC.[7. ADVISORY BOARD ORIENTATION REVIEW BY CITY CLERK]
UM THE STAFF UPDATE AND THEN ADVISORY BOARD, UM, ORIENTATION. IF I CAN FIND MY PRESENTATION REAL QUICK. OH, IT'S RIGHT HERE. MADAM CHAIRMAN. YES THANKS, STEPH FOR GIVING US AN EASY ONE TO START WITH, SO WE CAN ALL AGREE YAHOO! OKAY HELLO, BOARD. CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NEW FOLKS WELCOME. MY NAME IS MARY KENDALL CITY CLERK FOR THE RECORD. UM. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE KIND OF A VERY BRIEF OVERALL REVIEW OF THE ORIENTATION PACKET THAT YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED. MAYBE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. UM DID YOU ALL RECEIVE THE EMAIL? I BELIEVE , OKAY. WHAT WE WERE DOING IS SENDING IT OUT ELECTRONICALLY, MOSTLY NOW BECAUSE WE STARTED THAT AFTER COVID. A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO COME IN AND SPEND AN HOUR AND A HALF TWO HOURS FACE TO FACE, SO WE STARTED PREPARING EVERYTHING THROUGH LINKS AND ATTACHMENTS. SO IF THERE'S EVER ANYTHING YOU WANT, UM PRINTED OR FURTHER EXPLAINED, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO CONTACT ME MEET WITH ME. I'D BE HAPPY TO GO OVER EVERYTHING WITH YOU. BUT IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT ON THE DIETS FIRST, I WANTED TO KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT WE DID LAY OUT THE HELPFUL TOOLS. FLYER THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET THAT INCLUDES OUR CONTACT INFORMATION. THE GENERAL MEETINGS OF THE CITY WHEN WE HAVE THEM WHERE THEY'RE HELD WHAT TIMES INCLUDING THE MEETINGS, THE MEETINGS THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED IN? UM. EMAIL ADDRESSES. WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THOSE, BUT THAT INCLUDES EMAIL ADDRESSES THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO YOU AND WE'LL GO OVER THOSE FOR ANY OF THE NEW MEMBERS. UM ALSO, UM GENERAL INFORMATION ON THAT FORM, MOSTLY ON THE BACK OR LINKS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU. IT INCLUDES PUBLIC RECORDS, ETHICS, UM.SUNSHINE LAW. THOSE ARE ALL IMPORTANT LINKS THAT YOU WANT TO REVIEW. SO WE'LL GO OVER THAT INFORMATION, BUT BASICALLY, UM, I WANTED TO KIND OF REVIEW UP HERE ON THE PRESENTATION IS THE BOARD TERMS THE TERMS OF YOUR, UM APPOINTMENT FOR THIS BOARD OR ONE YEAR IT'S AN ANNUAL TERM.
EVERY DECEMBER. THE COMMISSION VOTES TO REAPPOINT OR RATIFY POSITIONS FOR THIS BOARD. SO UM AND THEN THE STAFF LIAISON, UM THERE'S. THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR IS, UM, ACTUALLY, I TAKE THAT BACK. I THINK I HAD THATP LAST NIGHT IT WAS OR TWO NIGHTS AGO WE MET WITH THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD. AND THAT WAS THE SIERRA AND THIS ONE IS THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, SO I APOLOGIZE. I'LL FIX THAT. BUT IT IS THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR THAT IS THE
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STAFF LIAISON FOR THIS BOARD. UM SECRETARY IS THE CITY CLERK, BUT SUZANNE MALEKI OVER THERE IS THE UM, DEPUTY CLERK. SHE WILL MOST LIKELY BE DOING MOST OF THESE BOARD MEETINGS AS THE SECRETARY OF THE BOARD. IT USED TO BE JORDAN'S PINKSTON. MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH HER, BUT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE IS TAKING THEM OVER. SO YOU'LL SEE SUZANNE MOST OF THE TIME. AH UM, CITY ATTORNEY. HE'S OF COURSE, SERVES AS LEGAL ADVISOR TO THE BOARD AND WILL ATTEND MOST MEETINGS.UM THE L P A MEETS THE SECOND THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH AT 5 30. WE DO ENCOURAGE PARTICIPATION, UM, AND ATTENDANCE AS BEST YOU CAN. IF EVER, YOU CANNOT ATTEND. WE JUST ASK YOU TO PLEASE EMAIL ME, SOUSSE. A OUR CONTACT INFORMATION IS ON THAT FORM, AND WE JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE QUORUM. UM SPECIAL MEETINGS CAN BE HELD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD OR THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, UM BUT THAT IS PRETTY RARE, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN. SO UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THIS INFORMATION IS IN THE BYLAWS THAT ARE PROVIDED TO YOU AS WELL THAT ANY MEMBER WHO MISSES THREE CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS IS CONSIDERED TO HAVE RESIGNED FROM THE BOARD AND WE WOULD NOTIFY YOU, BUT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE OF THAT FORUM FOR THIS BOARD IS CONSIDERED TO BE FOR MEMBERS. AND THEN, UH, WE JUST KIND OF WANTED TO REVIEW CIVILITY AND MEETING DECORUM. WE DO PRACTICE CIVILITY HERE AT CITY HALL, AND IN ALL OUR MEETINGS, WE DO ASK THAT THE PUBLIC REMAINS CIVIL WHEN THEY SPEAK TO ALL BOARDS. UM FROM TIME TO TIME IF THERE IS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT TENDS TO BE UPSET OR ANGRY. UM WE JUST ASKED THAT THE BOARD HANDLE IT AS BEST THEY CAN, IF EVER. YOU RUN INTO THIS SITUATION, WHICH IS RARE WITH THE L, PA, BUT IF EVER YOU RUN INTO A SITUATION THAT GETS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO CALL A RECESS AND JUST KIND OF DEFUSED THE SITUATION FOR A FEW MINUTES AND GATHER YOUR THOUGHTS AND COME BACK. UM WE'VE RUN INTO THOSE SITUATIONS BEFORE. COMMISSION MEETINGS, PRIMARILY, BUT, UM, THAT'S IT'S A MOMENT TO JUST KIND OF ALLOW YOURSELF TO STEP BACK AND CONSIDER YOUR THOUGHTS AND YOUR WORDS BEFORE YOU MOVE ON. UM SO THAT DECORUM MEETING DECORUM PRESENTATION WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR ORIENTATION AS WELL. I JUST WANT TO TOUCH BASE ON THE SUNSHINE LAW, PUBLIC RECORDS, LAW AND CODE OF ETHICS. THOSE ARE ALL IN PLACE. FOR YOUR PROTECTION AS WELL AS THE CITIES. UM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE THAT INFORMATION IS ALL INCLUDED IN LINKS OR IN YOUR PACKET INDIVIDUALLY. UM DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE? IT'S GOOD TIME TO ASK. WELL, OUR ATTORNEYS HERE AS WELL, ESSENTIALLY THIRD THAN WHEN WE'RE SITTING HERE TOGETHER. WE CAN NEVER TALK TO ANY OF THESE CORRECT. CORRECT SUNSHINE LIES IS VERY IMPORTANT . YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU CAN TALK. YOU JUST CAN'T TALK ABOUT THINGS ABOUT CITY BUSINESS OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD WRITE ANYTHING THAT WILL COME BEFORE THIS BOARD OR BE VOTED ON BY THE BOARD. YOU CANNOT COMMUNICATE OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING OUTSIDE OF A PUBLIC MEETING, LIKE, HAVE A DRINK WITH THEM. YOU JUST CAN'T TALK ABOUT RIGHT. AND SO IF THERE ARE RELATIONSHIPS, PIONEERS, PICTURES OF YOU TALKING AND WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ? CORRECT IT'S ABOUT PERCEPTION AS WELL. SO YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT? UM IF THERE ARE PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD JUST BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU'RE AT A GATHERING OR WHATEVER. IT IS NOT TO DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE COMING BEFORE THE COURT AND BE VOTED ON. SO, UM, IT IS THE LAW SO YOU DON'T WANT TO VIOLATE THAT. MR STUCKEY POINTED OUT A MINUTE. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT THAT IF YOU GET AN AGENDA ON A WEDNESDAY, I'VE HEARD MONDAY AFTERNOON OR WHATEVER DAY IT IS FOR A THURSDAY MEETING AND IT'S WE HAD ONE AGENDA ITEMS. ESSENTIALLY IT WAS ONE PROJECT AND IT WAS REALLY PRETTY SIMPLE.
BUT IMAGINE IF IT WAS THREE PROJECTS, AND ALL THREE PROJECTS WERE FULL SITE PLAN APPROVALS INSTEAD OF 100 AND 24 PAGES WAS 450 PAGES. UM CLEARLY. THE CITY DOESN'T. DO THAT TO TRY AND CAUSE YOU HARDSHIP. UM IT'S BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF THE STATE STATUTES. AND WE'VE BEEN IN 2018 THAT STATE AMENDED THE STATE STATUTES AND GAVE US VERY SPECIFIC TIMELINES FROM WHICH WE HAVE TO GIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE DEVELOPER RELATED TO THE CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS, AND YOU KIND OF BACK YOUR WAY INTO IT FROM THE TIME THEY SUBMITTED THEIR COMPLETE APPLICATION, WHICH GETS US IN THE GRIND. AND OF COURSE, THE APPLICANTS ARE ALSO ALWAYS IN A HURRY BECAUSE OF THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS. SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND AND WE TRY NOT TO PILE ON. IF WE CAN AVOID IT. I KNOW THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A WHILE. AND MR MATHERS IN PARTICULAR KNOWS MORE THAN ANYBODY, UM THAT WE'RE WE TRY AND BALANCE IT OUT. BUT THERE
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MAY BE TIMES THAT THERE'S A BIG FILE OR BIG STUFF. I KNOW THAT JODI IS AVAILABLE. SHE'S GOT OTHER STAFF AVAILABLE, AND I'M AVAILABLE TO THAT. A LOT OF TIMES. WE'VE BEEN KIND OF LIVING THE PROJECTS AND TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECTS JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT STAGES OF REVIEW, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A WEEKLY STAFF MEETING ON STUFF THAT WE THINK IS HAPPENING EVEN THOUGH THERE ISN'T AN APPLICATION ON IT , AND SO WE'RE SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH IT. AND IF YOU EVER WANT AND GET THE AGENDA AND JUST WANT TO HAVE ONE OF US GO OVER WITH YOU. I KNOW THAT ALL OF THE CITY COMMISSIONERS HAVE A STANDING MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER WHERE THEY LITERALLY HAVE HIM GO THROUGH THE AGENDA WITH THEM, AND I KNOW WHEN KELLY FIRST GOT ON THE BOARD, I WAS MEETING WITH HER MAYBE HALF HOUR 45 MINUTES, JUST SOME ONE OF THE DAYS BEFOREHAND JUST TO WALK THROUGH AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS A HOT BUTTON HERE. THIS IS WHAT'S COMING UP FOR THAT COMING UP. SO WE'RE ALL AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO DO THAT. PLEASE DOORS, OPEN POLICY YOU CAN WALK IN OR CALL WHATEVER IS EASIER CHAIRMAN, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN THE COSTCO MEETING THAT WE KNEW WAS GOING TO BE CONTENTIOUS. I HAD GONE TO MEET WITH MIKE. JUST TO UNDERSTAND, BUT ALSO TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD CORRAL THE MEETING SO THAT IT WASN'T DIDN'T GET OUT OF HAND AND OUT OF ORDER. SO THAT YOU KNOW IS CHAIR. I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT, TOO. IF SOMETHING'S GOING TO COME BEFORE US THAT MIGHT BE CONTROVERSIAL. CHANCES ARE I WILL MEET WITH HIM AHEAD OF TIME JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN KEEP THE MEETING. UNDER UNDER CONTROL. I HAVE A QUESTION. SURE BUT IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS WHILE WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT EACH OTHER, YOU CAN ASK EACH OTHER HERE. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS? RIGHT OKAY, WELL , WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS LAND USER? WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT DURING THE MEETING, BUT OFFER IF THERE ARE SEVERAL NEW PEOPLE ON? YEAH WE FELT LIKE TWO OR THREE OF US. SAID WE CAN'T MEET WITH YOU TO A ONE ON ONE. OKAY? ABSOLUTELY. I'M SURE JUST WANT TO SAY THAT. BASED ON WHAT I'VE OBSERVED, WE REALLY HAVE NO POWER BECAUSE THE CITY COMMISSION IS GOING TO DO WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONERS MAGNITUDE, HOWEVER, BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN HAPPEN IN THE CITY FROM MANY YEARS NOW, IT APPEARS THAT IF YOU GET SEVERAL 100 PAGES TO BE PREPARED ON THE VOTE ON IN THIS MEETING MAYBE YOU MAY BE MORE INCLINED TO BITE. YEP DEPENDING ON YOUR POINT OF VIEW, YOU MAY BE MORE INCLINED TO BUY TO VOTE. YES BUT ME PERSONALLY, IF I DO NOT TOTALLY UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING PRESENTED BY, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE NO. BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO BE LIKE CONGRESS AND VOTE. YES. FOR SOMETHING I HAVEN'T READ AND DON'T UNDERSTAND, AND I AGREE WITH YOU THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE, SO IT'S BE IMPORTANT FOR THE APPLICANTS. TO GET US THE INFORMATION AND THE STAFF TO GET THE INFORMATION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE A FAIR DECISION THAT MY DEFAULT ANSWER IS NO IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT REASONABLE TO TAKE THAT POSITION. I ALSO HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT WHEN AND THE APPLICANTS COME TO US AND HAVE THEIR PRE APPLICATION MEETING AND OTHER MEETINGS. WE DON'T JUST TELL HIM TO GO MEET WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONER. WE SAY HEY, YOU KNOW, THE L P A IS GONNA MATTER TO YOU? YOU SHOULD MEET WITH THEM OR CALL THEM AND YOU MAY FIND THAT AN APPLICANT WILL CALL YOU ON THE PHONE AND WANT TO MEET WITH YOU. INDIVIDUALLY YOU DO NOT HAVE TO. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT THAT YOU DO SO YOU CAN SAY YES. YOU COULD SAY I'LL MEET WITH YOU JUST ON THE PHONE. YOU CAN MEET WITH THEM IN PERSON. OR YOU COULD SAY NO OUTRIGHT OR YOU CAN SAY I'LL GIVE YOU 15 MINUTES. OR IT MAY BE THAT IT'S A PROJECT THAT YOU'RE KIND OF INTERESTED IN. AND YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS YOU WANNA ASK AND SAY GREAT. YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S TALK RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, START THAT'S ACCEPTABLE, ACCEPTABLE AND A LOT OF TIMES, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S A VERY CUMBERSOME PROJECT. I THINK THAT IT'S VERY HELPFUL TO GO AND JUST SO YOU CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT WHEN YOU COME HERE. ANOTHER'S VOLUMES OF INFORMATION YOU HAVE TO GO IN THE APPLICATION. BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE APPLICANT. I MEAN, PROBABLY THE PROJECT CAN BE SUMMARIZED IN THREE OR FOUR PAGES WITH BULLET POINTS AND THE STAFF WOULD GO TO THE TROUBLE TO DO THAT. LOWS HAVE THAT I MEAN THE MEAT THE MEAT IS USUALLY DIGESTED TO THAT. SO THE MORE INFORMATION WE CAN GET FROM THE APPLICANT. I WANT TO MAKE A FAIR DECISION IN ALL CASES. BOTTOM LINE IS THE TIMEFRAME TO KEEP THE SECRET. STEWART DIDN'T GO TO THE ONLINE AGENDA AND YOU GO TO THE THIS ONE, SAYS L. P A STAFF REPORT. BUT IF YOU GO TO THE STACK REPORT, THAT'S H TWO EACH AGENDA ITEM. THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WILL START OUT WITH GENERAL INFORMATION PERSONALLY BE PERSONAL SIZE ALL THIS STUFF , AND THEN THERE'S A SUMMARY MHM. AND EVERYTHING RIGHT IN ORDER. THAT'S ABOUT YEAH. LONG WALKS RIGHT THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROJECT. VERY HELPFUL. SUMMARY THAT MR STUCKEY IS REFERRING TO AND IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE UM AS IT RELATES TO THE I'M HAPPY TO RANDOMLY OPEN UP THE FUTURE LAND. USE ONE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE HERE. JULIE WINTER CONSISTENCY WITH THE COM PLAN. GO ONE POINT A 1.871871 C ONE A 75, AND SHE LITERALLY WENT THROUGH EACH PARAGRAPH WOODCOMB[00:40:03]
PLAN, WROTE THE COMPOUND LANGUAGE AND SAYS, WHY IT'S CONSISTENT AND PROVIDES THAT DETAILED BACKGROUND INFORMATION AS TO HOW SHE DREW THE CONCLUSION THAT IT WAS CONSISTENT. THANK YOU, JODY. JUST TYPICALLY, THEY PRESENTER LIKE TONIGHT WAS RARE BECAUSE IT WASN'T A BIGGER ISSUE. BUT IF IT IS A BIGGER ISSUE, USUALLY THE PETITIONER WILL HAVE EITHER THEIR LAND PLANNER THEY'VE HIRED . THEY THEMSELVES WILL BE HERE AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE A MUCH LARGER PRESENTATION. THEY'LL GIVE. THAT'S MUCH MORE IN DEPTH THAT COVERS A LOT OF THE INFORMATION AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO HAVE A DIALOGUE DIRECT WITH THAT. IT'S VERY HELPFUL FOR ME.I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK ABSOLUTELY SO IF THE C THE APPLICANTS HERE AND HE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THE ANSWERS TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ONE OF US MAY HAVE. I MEAN, DO WE HAVE THE POWER TO SAY COME BACK BECAUSE YOU COULD WE TABLE THIS AND COME BACK TO THE NEXT BEING AND YOU BRING THAT INFORMATION, AND OBVIOUSLY THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES, THE BOARD DOES. NO NO SINGLE MEMBER DOES WOULDN'T SO OBVIOUSLY, IF THE BOARD WERE IF SOMEBODY ON THE THING SAID, LIKE , FOR EXAMPLE, IF HE DIDN'T HAVE IT, HE DIDN'T KNOW HOW BIG THE LAND WAS TO. LET'S SAY HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE A SITE PLAN AND HE COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY FEET WIDE IT WAS. AND HE SAID, LOOK, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING THAT DECISION WITHOUT KNOWING HOW BIG THIS PARCEL IS. YOU COULD WHAT SOMEBODY WOULD MOTION TO TABLE IT AND SAY, COME BACK. ONCE YOU HAVE THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION. IN FACT, THERE WAS A PROJECT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, AND I DON'T KNOW IT WAS THE OPENING OF THE CRB, BUT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO A PARKING ARRANGEMENT WITH AN ADJACENT NEIGHBOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEY'RE SAYING, LOOK, YOU GUYS JUST GIVE US THE PARKING CREDITS, AND WE'LL GO FIND THAT. YOU WILL FIND THE DEAL LATER, IN SIMON, LEAST LATER IN, THE BOARD SAID WHEN YOU HAVE A FULL MHM APPLICATION, COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND WILL REVIEW IT IN ITS CONTEXT DONATED. EXACTLY THAT MAKE CONTINUED IT. AND IT HASN'T COME BACK YET. YEAH, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THEY UH HUH. CLARIFY IF WE'RE TALKING TO SOMEBODY. IT'S OKAY. AS LONG AS WE DISCLOSE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING. CORRECT SO APPLICANTS FIRST SPECIFICITY. WHAT HE'S POINTING OUT IS THAT I LEFT OUT THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A DUTY TO DISCLOSE EX PARTY COMMUNICATIONS . SO IF YOU SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THEIR PROJECT THE LAW REQUIRES YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING TO DISCLOSE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. HEY BY THE WAY, I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND OR YOU KNOW I'M HERE TO VOTE ON THIS PROJECT. BUT I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IN ADDITION TO THE INFORMATION THAT I'M HEARING TODAY. I DID SIT DOWN WITH MR MAORI OR WHOEVER FOR 30 MINUTES TO TUESDAYS AGO TO TALK ABOUT THE CITIZEN. CORRECT MIKE. I MEAN, HE SAID, IF YOU'RE SICK, YOU MEET WITH THIS ISN'T A COMMUNICATION REGARDING THE PROJECT OUTSIDE OF THIS TO ANYBODY YOU MEET WITH YOU HAVE A FELLOW BOARD MEMBER. YOU'RE NOT TO TALK WITH PHONE CALLS FROM 10 PEOPLE. THAT'S THEY'RE SCREAMING. DO NOT APPROVE THAT PROJECT. THAT'S WHY DO I HAVE TO DISCLOSE EVERY ONE OF THOSE YOU CAN SAY? I'VE GOT SEVERAL EMAILS OR SEVERAL PHONE CALLS TELLING ME THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF HER AGAINST OR THAT WERE HAD LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT AND THE REAL ISSUE IS THIS AND IT SO THE STATE LAWS BARRY DIFFERENT THAN THAN WHAT HAPPENS, THE STATE LAW SAYS. THAT LET'S SAY, MR STUCKEY, WHERE TO GET UP AND SAY, HEY, I HAD 10 PEOPLE. TELL ME STOP. TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, SOMEONE THAT HAD A DIFFERENT VIEW THAN THOSE 10. PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO THEN SIT DOWN AND FIND OUT WHAT THOSE 10 PEOPLE TOLD YOU AND THEN TELL YOU THEIR SIDE OF HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT BEFORE WE START THE HEARING. NOW THAT NEVER HAPPENS, AND I THINK SOMEWHERE BACK IN THE EARLY NINETIES THE COMMISSION GOT THIS HABIT OF SAYING I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND. NOW THERE'S NOTHING IN THE STATE LAW THAT SAYS THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND. I THINK WHAT THAT KIND OF CURTAILED WAS THE IDEA THAT I HAD AN EX PARTY COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEVELOPER AND HE TOLD ME ABOUT HIS PROJECT . BUT I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND AND I DON'T NEED YOU TO TELL ME EVERYTHING THAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE PROJECT. BEFORE WE GET STARTED. WE CAN GET STARTED AND GO FORWARD. I THINK THAT THE LOGIC KIND OF EXTENDS FROM IT. METAL. IT WENT THE LAW SAYS THAT IF I'M AN INTERVENER OR SOMEONE OTHER THAT'S GOT AN OPPOSING VIEW FROM WHATEVER YOUR EX PARTY COMMUNICATION WAS. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE YOU THE DETAILS OF MY POINT OF VIEW. BEFORE THE MEETING GOES FORWARD TO BALANCE OUT THAT EX PARTY COMMUNICATION AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO. STATE THE EX PARTY COMMUNICATION WITH SPECIFICITY AND WHEN AND WHERE. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINIONS ON IT WHERE PEOPLE HAVE FILED COMPLAINTS BECAUSE PEOPLE DIDN'T DO THAT HAVE SAID, LOOK AS A GENERAL PURPOSE. THE REAL INTENT IS TO JUST PUT ABOVE BOARD THAT THIS BOARD MEMBER DID, IN FACT, HAVE THE COMMUNICATION AND IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE A SITUATION WHERE EVERYBODY CAN GIVE EQUAL TIME TO
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EQUAL PEOPLE. AND AS LONG AS THE PERSON IS NOT HAVE A TRUE BIAS. THE MATTER CAN MOVE FORWARD.WHEN YOU DISCLOSE THEM. I'M SORRY. I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MR STUCKEY SAID. IN THE 40 YEARS. I'VE BEEN STANDING WHERE HE'S STANDING. I NEVER ADVISED THE CLIENT THIS BOARD OR ABORTED ELVA AT THE COUNTY DID NOT MATTER. I ACTUALLY HAVE ADVISED EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE THAT BECAUSE EVERY TIME I'VE TAKEN I REQUEST TO A CITY COMMISSION IF I HAVE NOT HAD A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM L P A. IT MADE THE BAR WAY MUCH HIGHER TO GET AN APPROVAL FROM THE CITY COMMISSION BILLS. DOING THE SAME THING. SO MAYBE THE CITY IS BETTER AT THAT THAN THE COUNTY, THEN ONLY AWARE OF ONE OR TWO PROJECTS IN THE CITY THAT PASSED WHEN THE L P A. DIDN'T DO IT. THAT WAS MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. BACK IN LIKE 2004. LET'S SEE. HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN YOU'RE DISCLOSING THAT YOU'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION DO YOU NEED TO DO I MEAN, BESIDES DISCLOSING THAT YOU'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION? DO YOU NEED TO GO INTO DETAIL WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS FOR DINNER, BUT TO A DEGREE IS YES, I LIKE I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE ANSWER OF NO , DON'T TELL US, BUT THE ANSWER IS LIKE A SUMMARY REASONABLE.
SURE WHO YOU SPOKE TO? APPROXIMATELY WHEN AND WHAT JUST HIGHLIGHTS REFORM IN THE CITY THAT I HAVE TO FILL OUT WHEN I HAVE AN EXPORT THAT CONFLICT B FOUR B ONE FARM, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE A COUSIN OR A RELATIVE THAT ACTUALLY OWNS THE PROPERTY OR THAT HIRED BY THE APPLICANT OR YOU HAVE A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THE OUTCOME OF IT. YOU MAY HEAR IT MAY NOT HAVE A CONFLICT.
AND IF YOU DO HAVE A CONFLICT YOU HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT, AND YOU CAN'T VOTE. BUT THAT'S UM FOR THE DAY WE CROSS WHEN WE GET TO THE CONFLICTS, BUT YOU KNOW EVERYBODY, YOU KIND OF WHEN IT'S WHEN YOU HAVE A CONFLICT YOU YOU GENERALLY FEEL LIKE IT'S YOU KNOW IT AND PEOPLE HAVE COME TO ME AND MAYBE THEY DON'T TECHNICALLY HAVE A CONFLICT. BUT IF YOUR BROTHER OR A RELATIVE OR SOMEONE IS HAS A FINANCIAL GAIN OR DETRIMENT FROM THE PROJECT. LIKE IF SOMEONE'S GOING TO DEVELOP PROJECT. AND IT'S GOINGT IS GOING TO CLOSE YOUR HUSBAND'S BUSINESS, THAT'S NEXT DOOR. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A COMPLEX OR NOT, I'D HAVE TO LOOK IT UP, BUT IT MIGHT BE, AND THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT. ONE OF THOSE, MAY I, UM, SPEAK TO MR MARTEL AND MR STUCKEY, WHAT YOU HAD MENTIONED ABOUT GETTING THE AGENDA SIX DAYS IN ADVANCE. UM TYPICALLY, THAT IS THE TIMEFRAME FOR COMMISSION AGENDAS TO GO OUT . SO THAT IS LIKE A STANDARD. BUT UM, SUSIE AND I DID HAVE A DISCUSSION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO TRY AND MAKE IT A FULL WEEK. SO WE WILL AIM TO DO THAT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE DID JUST TAKE OVER ALL OF THESE BOARD MEETINGS, SO WE'RE TRYING TO SET UP A STANDARD SCHEDULE. UM, BUT A WEEK. SEVEN DAYS WOULD BE THE MOST LIKE PRIOR TO THIS. IT WOULD BE THE THURSDAY BEFORE UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S JUST HOW IT WORKS WITHIN THE SYSTEM BETWEEN KNOWN AS IMPORTANT AS ALL THE APPLICATION MATERIALS BE POSSIBLE TO GET THE APPLICATION MATERIALS BEFORE IT EVEN MAKES IT TO THE AGENDA. FROM I MEAN, WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK SO, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE FOR THE STAFF TO KNOW IF THE MATTER IS GOING TO THE AGENDA WILL BE CONSTANTLY PILING YOU ON WITH APPLICATION MATERIAL. SO YOU MIGHT NOT EVER EVEN GET BECAUSE THEY AMEND AND THEY CHANGE STUFF AND THEY DO STUFF IN THE WHOLE THING. BUT ANY TIME YOU GUYS CAN REQUEST ANY APPLICATIONS AND ADVANCED REVIEW BECAUSE TO SEE 136 PAGES FOR HIS LITTLE SIMPLE LIKE THIS MAKES ME WORRY ABOUT VOTING, RIGHT? NOW PART OF IT IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT SUMMARIES WILL BE HELPFUL DOCUMENTATION TO IT. YEAH. AND OF COURSE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING BEFOREHAND , AND THEY WILL DO OUR BEST TO HELP AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES THERE'S 1000 PAGE AGENDAS THAT COME OUT FOR THE COMMISSION SIX DAYS IN ADVANCE AND THAT'S THAT'S OUR TIME FRAME. BUT WE'LL DO OUR BEST. WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO GO SEVEN DAYS, BUT BUT TO KIND OF WRAP THIS UP, I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO KIND OF COVER PUBLIC RECORDS ALL BUT YOU KIND OF TOUCHED BASE ON THAT AND IN THE COMMUNICATIONS WITH EMAILS. UM I WANTED TO MENTION UM ALL OF YOU ON THIS BOARD AND KIND OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. KELLY IS WHEN YOU KNOW COSTCO CAME UP IN DIFFERENT THINGS. THERE WERE MANY EMAILS MANY. SOME OF YOU ALSO WERE INVOLVED IN THAT RYAN AND I BELIEVE MAGGIE AND BILL WHEN PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC WERE EMAILING YOU ON A HOT TOPIC, UM WE'D GET PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS AND THOSE RECORDS REQUEST. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO TO YOU AND ASK YOU TO SEARCH YOUR OWN
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EMAILS TO SEND US EVERY RECORD THAT PERTAIN TO THE CITY OF STEWART. SO WE ASK THAT YOU COMMUNICATE ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE CITY AND THIS BOARD. THROUGH YOUR CITY EMAIL ADDRESS.AND SO IF PAUL, WHO'S BACK THERE IS PAUL SANDERSON, WHO RUNS OUR, UM MEETINGS AND DIFFERENT THINGS HE CAN HELP IF YOU HAVE ANY TROUBLE SETTING UP YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS, BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN INVITATION TO SET UP YOUR EMAIL. OKAY. GOOD UM, SO THAT'S BASICALLY IT. IT'S YOUR FIRST INITIAL LAST NAME, FOLLOWED BY CI DOT STEWART DOT FL DOT US. IT'S THE SAME AS EVERYBODY ELSE. PRETTY MUCH IN THE CITY OF STEWART. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO EMAIL SOMEONE , IF YOU KNOW THEIR FIRST AND LAST NAME, IT'S REALLY EASY. UM BUT THAT IS THE COMMUNICATION.
SO WHEN WE DO GET A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FOR LP, A COMMUNICATIONS WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO BOTHER YOU. WE KNOW THAT ANY CORRESPONDENCE OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD TO DO FOR NEW BOARD MEMBERS IN THIS THE VERY BEGINNING COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE'VE HAD TO COMMUNICATE THROUGH YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL, BUT OTHERWISE WE WILL BE GATHERING THAT INFORMATION OURSELVES AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GET AN EMAIL TO MY PERSONAL ACCOUNT OF MY BUSINESS ACCOUNT. I CAN JUST FORWARD INTO MY CORRECT. WE ASK YOU TO DO THAT IN THE SAME WITH TEXTS. UM IF TEXT MESSAGES ARE INCLUDED IN THAT IT'S ALWAYS SAFE NOT TO TEXT ABOUT CITY BUSINESS. IF SOMEBODY DOES TRY AND TEXT YOU IT'S BEST TO JUST ASK THEM TO EMAIL YOU. BUT UM SORRY, WENT AHEAD. UM ANY OF THAT IS PUBLIC RECORD. YOU GET A NEW PHONE. JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT TEXT MESSAGE OR THOSE EMAILS GO AWAY. WE JUST ASK YOU TO YOU KNOW, PRESERVE. THOSE ARE FORWARD THOSE TO YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS FOR THE CITY AND BE CLEAR THE CITY'S POLICY IS THAT WE DON'T MAINTAIN TEXTS FOR ANYBODY. WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU DON'T USE TAX FOR CITY PURPOSES. AND IF YOU DO, IT'S AT YOUR OWN PERIL, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU NEED TO MAINTAIN IT YOURSELF. THERE ARE SEVERAL APPS OUT THERE THAT WILL MONITOR AND MIRROR ALL YOUR TAX, BUT THERE'S VERY CUTE, CLEAR LAW ON TEXT AS WELL THAT TRANSIENT TEXTS ARE NOT PUBLIC RECORD. SO IF SOMEBODY. WORDED TO TEXT, MR STUCKEY. AND SAY. HEY CAN I MEET TO TALK ABOUT PROJECT X Y Z AND HE TEXT BACK SHIRT TWO P.M. ON TUESDAY. THAT'S A TRANSIENT TEXT . IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE OF ANYTHING. IT'S SCHEDULING A MEETING. WANT TO MEET FOR LUNCH AND TALK ABOUT THIS OR WANT TO DO THAT? THOSE ARE TRANSIENT COMMUNICATIONS THAT DON'T HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED , HOWEVER, IF MY TEXT SAID WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE ANNEXATION? EVEN IF THE ANSWER WAS A THUMB UP OR THUMB DOWN, OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. THAT IS A SUBSTANTIVE COMMUNICATION AND, AS A RESULT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED IN THE RECORD KEPT NO YOU KNOW? HOW THAT PLAYS OUT, AND WHAT HAPPENS IS NOT UP TO ME . LAST QUESTION IF WE USE THIS EMAIL FOR OUR ALL OF OUR COMMUNICATIONS AND SAY, I GET 10 COMMENTS ON THEIR EMAIL. DO I HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT? OR IS IT BEING INVESTED EMAIL DISCLOSURE ENOUGH BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD? YOU KNOW THEY DON'T COMMISSIONERS DON'T DISCLOSE EVERY SINGLE EMAIL. THEY GET ON EVERYTHING AND NUMBER ONE. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THAT I COULD GUARANTEE THAT YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN AN EMAIL ON YOUR WAY HERE, AND THERE'S NO WAY FOR YOU TO EVEN KNOW YOU HAD IT UNTIL YOU GOT HOME AND YOU HAVE MISSED THE DISCLOSURE. I THINK THAT THE REASONABLE ANSWER TO THAT IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DISCLOSE THAT YOU'RE DISCLOSURE WOULD BE WHAT YOU'RE YOU KNOW ABROAD COMMENT AND UM THE EX PARTY COMMUNICATION TO ME. IS A COMMUNICATION THAT THAT IS. INFLUENCING YOUR YOUR STUFF. SO IF YOU'VE GOT 10 EMAILS AND YOU KNOW THEY WERE ALL MADE YOU THINK, THINK ENOUGH TO COME IN HERE AND SAY I GOT AN EMAIL. THEN THAT PROBABLY COVERS IT BECAUSE YOU'VE SAID IT. ANYBODY CAN GO LOOK AND READ THE VERBATIM TRANSCRIPTS OF THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEM AND PLUS THE GREAT THING ABOUT IT IS WE GET A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. WE DON'T EVEN CALL YET OUR SERVER SEARCHES THAT PULLS IT DOES EVERYTHING WITHOUT YOU HAVING TO DO ANYTHING ON THOSE TEXT MESSAGES AS MUCH MORE COMPLICATED AND WE'VE HAD COMMISSIONERS GET PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FOR TEXT MESSAGES BEFORE , AND THE PROBLEM WITH TEXT MESSAGES IS IF YOU DON'T MAINTAIN IT AS YOU GO ALONG, AND RIGHT NOW, YOU GOTTA PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FOR ALL YOUR COMMUNICATIONS REGARDING COSTCO FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERY YOU CAN'T YOUR PHONE DOESN'T CHOP IT UP. SO ALL YOUR TEXT MESSAGES HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED AND YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND READ EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE TEXT MESSAGES THAT ARE ON YOUR PHONE TO DETERMINE WHICH ONES HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. OR ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE ALL YOUR PERSONAL TEXT MESSAGES TO THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, WHICH YOU DON'T WANT TO DO SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY HASSLE WHEN
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MOST OF THEM WILL BE TO LEAD IT ANYWAY. BUT YOU CAN'T DELETE THE COMMUNICATIONS RIGHT. MOST OF YOUR TEXT MESSAGES. MOST PEOPLE DELETE. AS THEY GO BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A PHONE CALL. IT'S OVER WITH. IT'S DONE, BUT YOU CAN'T DELETE SUBSTITUTED TEXT MESSAGES AND JUST AS A WARNING, BECAUSE THIS HAPPENED TO ME. THE PASSWORD CHANGES EVERY 90 DAYS. CORRECT YES. AND SO I'VE HAD, WHERE, LIKE I'M LIKE, WHY CAN'T I GET INTO THIS NOW? AND IT'S BECAUSE THE PASSWORD CHANGED AND I HAD TO CHANGE IT SO IF YOU ALL OF A SUDDEN CAN'T GET IN. THAT WOULD BE WHY MY PASSWORD BACK BETWEEN PASSWORD ONE OR TWO TO TRY OUT. YOU KNOW MIKE'S PASSWORD? NO I DON'T KNOW.PROBABLY NOT NO HAIR. OH THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE BANK WINS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY I LIKED IT BETTER WHEN I COULD BE ONE OR TWO AT THE END, AND I JUST SWITCH IT BACK AND THEN SWITCH IT BACK REQUIRED BY A LOT OF READ OUR EMAILS. NO GOOD. OKAY THERE YOU GO. PROBLEM SOLVED, NOT REQUIRED TO MEET WITH PEOPLE . YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED PACKET. I MEAN, SO YOU KNOW, IT'S BILL HAD A QUESTION, MAC. IT BROUGHT UP A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS LIKE YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU'RE GONNA VOTE. NO. I'D LET THIS BOARD NO, THAT'S THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO. AND IT'S DON TOLD YOU WHEN HE'S DOWN THERE. HE'S GETTING A FEELING OKAY. THIS BOARD DOES A GREAT DEAL TO HELP THE COMMISSION BY ARNE, NOT POINTS THAT ARE RESOLVED ANYTHING AND THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO IF ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAS A CONCERN ABOUT SOMETHING REALLY CONCERNED, AND YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THE SAME CONCERN. JUST SPEAK UP AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF HAVE THE SAME CONCERN BECAUSE THE GUY DOWN THERE IS TAKING COUNTS. ALRIGHT? AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT WE START TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT WE ALL HAVE AN OPINION ON A CERTAIN ITEMS THAT WERE KIND OF WORKING TOWARDS OKAY. THE MORE YOU LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU DO HAVE A PATH THAT YOU MAY BE WILLING TO SEE. WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS AND DON CAN CORRECT ME. THEY'LL TAKE IT SERIOUS AND THEY MAY WANT TO TABLE AND COME BACK AND TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS TALK TO COME BACK AND RESOLVING THIS SPORT IS, UH, YEAH, YOU'RE VERY OPEN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. COMMISSION TAKES THE A AND I AGREE WITH MR STUCKEY THAT HISTORICALLY THERE'S BEEN COMPLETE IGNORANCE TOWARDS WHAT THE BOARD SAID AND NOT CARED, BUT BUT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS I KNOW THE CITY COMMISSION. RELIES HEAVILY ON THE OPA AND I'M NOT AWARE OF A SINGLE VOTE THAT THE COMMISSION DIDN'T FOLLOW THE LP AND IN FACT THE INSTRUCTIONS TO STAFF WHEN IT LEAVES HERE. WHATEVER CONDITIONS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU GUYS MAKE. MAKE THE AGENDA ITEMS , SO THE AGENDA ITEM WHATEVER IT WAS BEFORE, THEN AT THE BOTTOM OF IT, IT SAYS AFTER HEARING THAT THE LPGA SAID THIS THIS THIS AND THIS AND IT'S YOU KNOW. NEED MORE PARKING SPACES. NEED A BUS STOP. NEED A MORE SHADE.
WHATEVER IT IS, UM, BUT WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION FOR THE WHITE HOUSE, AND SO IT'S THAT STUFF CARRIES FORWARD AND TO ME. WHETHER THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW WHATEVER THE MOTIVATION IS, AND OBVIOUSLY THE DEVELOPERS PRIMARY MOTIVATION IS PROFIT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME BETTER PROJECT. CAN MAKE BETTER PROFIT, SO YOUR INFLUENCE AND YOUR STUFF ABOUT HEY, THE MAILROOM DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THERE. IT SHOULD BE OVER HERE OR THE PATH OF THE FLOW OF THE PARKING WITH THE GARBAGE IS AND THAT THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. OR YOU NEED THIS OVER THERE. THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE SHADE TREES. THAT PARKING LOT IS GOING TO BE A SWEATER VEST. I MEAN, THAT STUFF REALLY HELPS THE PROJECT BE A BETTER PROJECT. OKAY UM, SECOND TO LAST THING IS , UM, WITH YOUR HELPFUL TOOLS THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU ON THE BACK SIDE. THERE IS A SIGNATURE LINE. I JUST ASK THAT EVERYBODY BECAUSE YOU'VE RECEIVED IT IN YOUR ORIENTATION PACKET. I ASKED THAT IF YOU WOULD ALL SIGN IT JUST TO SHOW THAT IT'S RECEIVED AND ALL THOSE LINKS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED. UM I WILL, THEN COLLECT IT FROM YOU TONIGHT AND SIGN IT. UM WELL, DATE IT AND ALL OF THAT, AND I WILL EMAIL IT BACK TO YOU. SO YOU ALL HAVE A SIGNED COPY SUPPOSED TO DATE IT. YOU CAN DATE IT. I DON'T. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF I HAD THE DATE THERE FOR YOU FOR ME. I COULDN'T REMEMBER. SO GO AHEAD AND EAT IT . UM AND THEN, UM, I JUST WANTED TO ALSO, UM, ASK EVERYONE YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE IT TO ME NOW, BUT ON OUR LISTING, I KEEP A LISTING, YOU KNOW, FROM YOUR PHONE. NUMBERS THAT WERE TURNED INTO US FROM AH, YOUR APPLICATIONS. I BELIEVE MOST OF THEM ARE YOUR CELLPHONE NUMBERS . BUT IF NOT, IF, LIKE IT'S AN OFFICE TELEPHONE NUMBER IF YOU COULD JUST EMAIL ME OR TONIGHT, IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE IT TO ME OR SUSIE, UM, YOUR CELLPHONE NUMBER ONLY BECAUSE WITH YOUR
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EMAIL ADDRESS IN THE SYSTEM, I WAS TOLD BY I T THEY NEED A CELL PHONE NUMBER TO BE LINKED WITH THE EMAIL ADDRESS. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY MAYBE PAUL COULD EXPLAIN THAT BETTER THAN I BUT I WAS TOLD THAT A CELL PHONE NUMBER IS PROVIDED NEEDED. I DON'T HAVE TO USE THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS TO CONTACT YOU. IF YOU PREFER IT BE YOUR OFFICE OR WHATEVER IT IS FOR SECURITY, BUT YEAH, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. YOU CAN EXPLAIN THAT BRIEFLY, JUST LIKE TIKTOK. OH YEAH. TOLD IT NEEDS TO BE A CELLPHONE TIKTOK. UM WHAT? WHAT IT'S FOR. IT'S BASICALLY BECAUSE SINCE YOU ALL HAVE OFFICE 3 65 EMAILS, THAT MEANS YOU CAN LOG IN ANYWHERE. LET'S SAY YOU'RE ON VACATION. IN ITALY, WHATEVER ANYONE DO LAND USE PLANNING AGAIN, FEELING IT ABOUT A LAND USE, PLANNING MEETING TOWERS AND GET INTO IT. THE BAD SIDE OF THAT COIN IS, LET'S SAY, JUST JOE SCHMO. IN GERMANY. WHATEVER FOUND OUT THAT YOUR PASSWORD IS I LOVE PUPPIES, 32 OR PASSWORD. ONE UM, THEY CAN LOG IN. AND NOW THEY ARE YOU. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS AH! IF THEY SEND AN EMAIL AS YOU IT'S TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN IF IT COMES FROM SOMEBODY OUTSIDE. AND SO IF YOU SEND THAT TO LET'S SAY YOU SEND AN EMAIL TO MARY OR ANY STAFF. WE DON'T KNOW. IT'S NOT YOU. SO WHAT THIS DOES IS, IF YOU SIGN IN WITH YOUR PASSWORD, IT'S BEEN GOING TO SEND A TEXT MESSAGE TO YOU AND SAYING OKAY, WELL, YOU'VE PREVIOUSLY TOLD US. THIS IS YOUR PHONE. WHAT'S THAT SIX DIGIT CODE THAT WE JUST GAVE YOU? AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, THEN YOU DON'T GET IT. IF YOU GUYS LOSE YOUR PHONE, OR YOU GET A NEW PHONE NUMBER, FOR WHATEVER REASONS YOU'RE TRYING TO AVOID SOMEONE WHO KNOWS, UM YOU CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH US ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THE STEPS WITH YOU GUYS TO RESOLVE THAT. SO IF YOU'RE IN LIKE KELLY WAS TALKING ABOUT HER PASSWORD EXPIRED AFTER 90 DAYS, AND LET'S SAY YOU JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET INTO IT. YOU CAN EMAIL US OR CALL US AND GET WITH US, AND WE'LL SHOW YOU HOW TO GET BACK INTO YOUR EMAIL. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY WE CAN GO IN AND RESET IT. BUT WE CAN'T SEE ANYTHING. SO IF YOU FORGOT IT, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT IT IS, BUT I CAN CHANGE IT. YEAH IF YOU IF YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE YOUR OFFICE NUMBER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON FILE. IF YOU'LL JUST PLEASE PROVIDE US YOUR CELL PHONE NUMBER IS NOT THE ONE WE HAVE TO USE ON A REGULAR BASIS. I JUST NEED IT FOR THE SYSTEM AND THE SECURITY IS VERY GOOD WITH OUR I T DEPARTMENT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND LAST, BUT NOT LEAST, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF LIKE, THROW THIS OUT THERE, UM, ARE ONCE A YEAR WE DO AN ANNUAL ADVISORY BOARD APPRECIATION CELEBRATION. IT'S BEEN A LUNCHEON A FEW TIMES THIS LAST YEAR, WE TRIED THE TIKI TAXI AS LIKE, A LITTLE COCKTAIL HOUR. THAT WAS A LOT OF FUN. BUT UM SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S NEXT . UM BUT WE USUALLY DO IT AROUND THE HOLIDAYS, SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW YOU WILL ALL BE INVITED AT THE END OF THE YEAR TO A LITTLE APPRECIATION CELEBRATION INSTEAD OF NOT BELIEVING A HUFF, RIGHT? YOU DON'T WANT TO LEAVE IN A HUFF. AND YOU ALL MAY BE HERE NEXT YEAR AGAIN. WE HOPE SO. SO. UM AND THAT'S THAT'S IT. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I JUST LIKE TO SAY TO MR MARTEL AND THE WHOLE STAFF. I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR TIME. DEALING WITH THE NEW PEOPLE ON THE BOARD WERE NEW, AND WE REALLY HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS. WE'RE SORRY, MR MARTEL. YOU CAN GO HOME TO DINNER NOW. LIKE UNTIL NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. I KNEW WHAT YOU MEANT. ALL YEAR ABOUT IS LIKE. AND I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY, MIKE, WE'RE REALLY SORRY ABOUT T. C YOU KNOW, I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING. MY SON WAS JUST AS HEARTBROKEN AS YOU WAS SO UPSET. YEAH I KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU FEEL, BECAUSE NOTRE DAME PLAYED ALABAMA. YEAH BUT IT WASN'T TOO BAD CALLS. PC PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT HOT.TOTALLY TOTALLY. ABSOLUTELY MIKE . YOU KEEP BELIEVING THAT THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO YOU KNOW IS ON THE TIMING, OKAY? ALRIGHT I REMEMBER THE DAY IT TOOK THEM A WEEK TO MAKE THE PRINTS. YEAH THEY HAD TO APPLY ADDITIONAL PLANS PASSAGES ABOUT THIS HIGH, SO THEY BROUGHT HIM AROUND AND PERSONALLY DELIVERED THEM TO US . I'M GOOD HERE BEFORE YOU HAVE THE MEETING PRETTY GOOD JOB NOW WITH ELECTRONIC. IT'S A LOT OF TREES DIE, BUT GOODNESS, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S. I DON'T KNOW.
SOMETIMES IT GETS REALLY COMPLICATED, BIG PROJECT AND STUFF, AND IT'S. YOU WILL HAVE TO. I KNOW SOME OF THEM SEEING THEM AND IT'S UH IT DOES TAKE TIME, AND IT'S JUST GONNA BE
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HARD PAPER TO PRINT OFF TO WELL , SOMETIMES THAT'S WHY IT'S BETTER TO READ IT AND JUST PULL THE STUFF SOMEBODY IF WE'RE IN A MEETING, AND WE WANTED TO I DON'T PLAN TO PRINT OUT HUNDREDS OF PAGES. IF WE WANTED TO DISCUSS SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR PAGE, YOU HAVE THE BODY. PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN, RIGHT? OKAY AND THEY HAVE DONE THAT MANY A TIME THE AGENDA OF ITS ONLINE LIKE WHAT I DID TONIGHT. I CAME TO THIS PARTICULAR HEATING. I GOOGLED STUART FLORIDA AGENDA AND THEN THIS PAGE COMES UP. AND THEN THE SPECIAL MEETING THAT THIS NEXT WEEK HAS ALREADY PUBLISHED. THIS IS THE L T A MEETING THAT'S THIS IS JANUARY. 12 HEALTHY A MEETING. WHEN I CLICK ON THAT IT'LL COME UP AND THEN WITHIN THAT I CAN EITHER DOWNLOAD THE WHOLE AGENDA, DOWNLOAD THE WHOLE AGENDA PACKET OR TOUCH THE TOP LEFT CORNER. IT'S LITERALLY THE AGENDA IN ORDER OF THE MEETING, AND THEN EACH ONE OF THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS IS BLUE AND HAS A LINK AND I CAN TOUCH THAT DOCUMENT AND OPEN IT UP. AND WE HAVE THAT ON THAT COMPUTER RIGHT THERE, TOO. SO WE CAN POP WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT'S IN THE AGENDA PACKET ON THE SCREEN WITH NO PROBLEM AT ALL. SO AND THAT DOES A LOT OF TIMES MAKE IT A LOT EASIER, UM, FOR THE WHOLE BOARD TO FOLLOW ALONG AND WHAT AN ISSUE IS. OKAY THANKS* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.