IT. OKAY VERY SET. OKAY GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY I'D LIKE TO CALL THE SPECIAL COMMISSION. 
          [ROLL CALL]
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MANY OF THE STUART CITY COMMISSION TO ORDER MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL POLICE? MACDONALD VICE MAYOR BRUNER HERE , COMMISSIONER CLARK HERE. COLLINS COMMISSIONER RICH HERE. 
          OKAY IF YOU ENJOY ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE, FOLLOWED BY THE POINT OF ALLEGIANCE. THANK YOU. STATES OF AMERICA STANDS ONE NATION INDIVISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY? LET'S 
          [COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS]
SEE. WE'LL MOVE ON TO COMMENTS BY COMMISSIONERS. I'M GOING TO GO FIRST TODAY, AND I'M JUST GONNA SAY, UM I'M VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THE NEWS THAT THE FLORIDA CABINET HAS RULED IN OUR FAVOR ON COSTCO. UH, ACTUALLY, I GUESS IT'S THE CANTOR. UH AH. CPU D AND SHOWS THAT WE DID DO EVERYTHING RIGHT AND ALSO WANT TO MIKE'S NOT HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S ONLINE OR NOT, BUT CONGRATULATE MIKE MOORE TELL ON HIS LEGAL ABILITY, HE SAID. THIS WOULD BE THE OUTCOME ALL ALONG. 
          AND SO I WANT TO THANK MIKE FOR ALL THE HARD WORK. HE'S PUT IN AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF CITY STAFF THAT I HAVE WORKED SO HARD AND HAD TO ENDURE SO MUCH FROM, UH, A SMALL FORTUNATELY, THE PUBLIC AND SO I HAVE, UM, COMMISSIONER RICH. NO I HAVE NO COMMENT. MR COLLINS. 
          COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES UM, I'M SORRY. THAT MISS THANK YOU. FOR YOUR WORDS. ALSO MR MARTEL IS NOT HERE. BUT, UM THIS. I'M GONNA DO THIS AT A REGULAR MEETING BECAUSE WHAT I'LL HELP HIM PREPARE. I GUESS SINCE MY LETTING IT NOW THAT I WANT TO TRY TO BEFORE WE GO TO BUDGET, UM UH, TRY TO GET. A LIST OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH OUR CASES . IF THERE ANY CASES OPENED AGAINST THE CITY. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A SHADE MEETING OR ANYTHING, BUT I WANT TO DO THAT. AND THEN IN PREPARING FOR THAT, OR PREPARING JUST TO TELL US WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHATEVER THAT, IF, UM I JUST I'VE ASKED FOR THIS BEFORE, AND I KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD THE ANSWER. BUT I JUST MAYBE BECAUSE WE HAVE NEW PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION AND MAYBE IF THERE'S ANYTHING AT ALL, BUT IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WHATEVER IS GOING ON WITH THE RUDGE VERSUS I FORGOT THE NAME OF THE COMPANY THAT, UM IS IN THAT NAME RIGHT NOW. IT ESCAPES ME. BUT IF WE CAN ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE RAJ IS, IF THERE IS A WAY TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CAN OR NEEDS TO DO I KNOW THAT THE CASE WAS CLOSED A LONG TIME AGO, BUT WHATEVER IT IS THAT MR MORTAL CAN TELL US. AND THAT WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS ANYTHING THAT HAS TO STILL DO WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT OR ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH ANYTHING AT ALL WITH THE CITY. UM I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES A FACT THAT THE CASE SOMEHOW IS CONTINUING AND HE'S EVEN GONE TO THE SUPREME COURT, AND THEY HAVE BEEN NEW MOTIONS FILED. THAT SOMEHOW THE CITY UM, HAS SOME RESPONSIBILITY OR SOMETHING FOR THAT PROPERTY, SO I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR AND UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO, EITHER TO ASSIST THE ROGERS OR THERE'S NOTHING AT ALL I JUST WANTED AGAIN FOR MR UM MORE TELL TO GIVE US CERTAIN INFORMATION AS WELL AS ANY OTHER. CASES THAT ARE UP AGAINST THE CITY TO JUST GIVE US A REVIEW BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET A REVIEW AT THE END OF THE YEAR, AND WE'RE BEGINNING THE YEAR SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT CASES WE HAVE MR ARM CITY MANAGER IF YOU COULD PASS IT ON . YES MR MARTEL IS ONLINE AND, UH, LOVE HE'S PROMOTED UP OR NOT, BUT OKAY? UM WHAT FOR? AS FAR AS, LIKE THE OVERALL CASES WHAT? YOU WANT THAT IN AN EMAIL OR WHAT FORMAT DO YOU WANT THAT YOU WANT THAT AT A COMMISSION MEETING OR HOW DO YOU WANT THAT? UM IF HE CAN TELL IT TO US AT THE COMMISSION MEDIA, BUT IF IT'S LONG, LIKE, TRY CO CASES AND ALL THAT, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE AN EMAIL, UM YEAH, AND I'M SURE HE'LL SHED SOME LIGHT. ALSO ON THE RIGHT THING. ALTHOUGH WE HAVE NO PENDING ACTION WITH THE RUBBER CASE, THERE'S NOTHING IN FACT, THE REGISTER DON'T EVEN OWN THE PROPERTY. RIGHT? RIGHT RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND WHEN MAY I SAY, UM, WHEN SHE COMES AND SPEAKS BEFORE US DOES SHE GIVE US THAT OLD ADDRESS EVERY TIME? YES, YES. AH! I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT IT UP TO YOU LOVE AND BUT THE THING I WANTED TO SAY IS BRINGING IT UP IS TO LET THE TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS KNOW HOW THIS HAS GONE ON BEFORE I GOT HERE BEFORE TROY GOT HERE AND HOW IT 
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KEEPS GOING ON AND ON AND IT'S NOTHING. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT WHEN THEY PROBABLY KEEP COMING AND COMING. AND I'D LIKE FOR COMMISSIONER. YOU KNOW WHAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL THESE YEARS? OKAY THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. COMMISSIONER VICE MAYOR. SORRY. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT? MHM NO, WE HAD A WONDERFUL MARTIN LUTHER KING WEEKEND HOLIDAY. SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, EITHER OUTSIDE THEIR EVENT OR CLOSE TO THEIR EVENT AND AGAIN, UM I JUST ECHO YOUR SENTIMENTS ON WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS SENT IS RULING THIS MORNING AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. AND IT IS A SHAME WHAT HAPPENED IN FORT PIERCE AND HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY THOSE HOPEFULLY SOMEDAY THOSE TYPES EVENTS WILL COME TO AN END WILL NEVER HAVE ONE HERE, AND IT JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT, UH UM THAT WE CAN NEVER BE TOO VIGILANT AND ALL OF THESE ARE BAD BUTTER. IT'S OUR CHRISTMAS PARADE. THE FIREWORKS LUTHER KING DAY EVENT. UH WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO AND I KNOW OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES A GREAT JOB. UH, AND PROVIDING SECURITY. BUT IT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE. UM AND I WAS SORRY I WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE THE MARTIN LUTHER KING DAD WAS VISITING A SICK RELATIVE IN OHIO . UM WHICH I'M GLAD I HAD A HAD A NICE TRIP. BUT UM, VICE MAYOR I WANTED TO SAY TO HOW WONDERFUL THE PARADE WAS AND HOW IT'S GROWING AND GETTING BIGGER AND HOW HARD NINA DOOLEY HAS REALLY HAS WORKED AT THAT. UM MY CAR HAS BEEN BROKE DOWN, SO I HAD TO GET HOME WITH THE TRIM, BUT, UH , LIKE WEEKS AND WEEKS. AND WHEN I CAME IN WHAT? 15 20 MINUTES AGO AND HEARING THE GOOD NEWS. UM I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE SAME THING. WE DID NOTHING WRONG. AND I WILL ALWAYS SAY THAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T AND THEN, OF COURSE. 
          GETTING THIS NEWS FROM OUR GOVERNOR AND OUR CABINET. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE, UH, READY. YOU'RE A LAWYER OR JUDGE. WHATEVER MAKE MISTAKES. AND THAT'S WHAT'S SO GREAT ABOUT THIS COUNTRY THAT WE CAN UM TAKE IT TO ANOTHER STEP. AND HAVE IT LOOKED AT AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID. AND I'M JUST HAPPY WITH THE GOOD NEWS. THANK YOU, FRANK. UM MR DICE. YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I GUESS WE ACTUALLY HAVE. COMMENTS BY THE MANAGER. YES. I HAVE NO COMMENTS OTHER THAN PAUL HAVE BE PROMOTED HIM UP TO PARTICIPANT. UNSURE. TRY IT. IT'S SIX ON HIS PHONE IS A MUTANT. OKAY, THANK YOU. COMMENTS. OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S GO TO COMMENTS 
          [APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
BY THE WE NEED APPROVAL. THE AGENDA. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE AGENDAS PUBLISHED MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COLLINS IN FAVOR, SAY AYE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES. 
          [COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (3 Minutes Max.)]
OKAY LET'S GO TO COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC, HELEN MCBRIDE. WELCOME, HELEN. OPERATION. HELEN MCBRIDE IMPLEMENTED BY EVERYONE IN THE CITY OF STEWART. I'VE HAD I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS. ONE IS BARBIE LAST SIX MONTHS OR SO. PEOPLE ARE COMING. WHICH IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THAT BUT THEY CAN'T STAND UP HERE. THEY'RE FROM REMEMBER HOAX. SAM PORT SOLANO, PAM CITY AT THE LAST MEETING, IT WAS ST LUCIE COUNTY SO POINT AND. I'M GETTING CONCERNED BECAUSE YOU KNOW I DO GO TO COUNTY COMMISSIONER WESTON, NOW ON TV. THIS IS OUR CITY AND THAT I MEAN, WE HAVE WELCOMED COMMENTS IN THAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN, SO I WAS WONDERING IF PERHAPS YOU CAN MAKE A DISTINCTION. I KNOW. YOU ASKED FOR THE ADDRESS. THEY HAVE TO SEE IF THEY LIVE IN THE CITY OR OUTSIDE OF OUR C THAT WOULD HELP US WHO LIVE IN THE CITY. NO ARE THEY ARE THEY WANT MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT ARE THEY CITY RESIDENTS? AND THE SECOND COMBINATION LIKE TO MAKE I KNOW YOU PROBABLY READ IT OR YOU, YOU PERIOD OF IT IN YOU. I KNOW YOU KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          WONDERFUL BOOK PROFILE IN COURAGE BY JOHN F. KENNEDY. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING AT LEAST FLORIDA'S PROFILING COURAGE. TO BE ABLE TO STAND UP. THIS IS OUR CONSTITUTION. YOU ALL TOOK IN. 
          OUR CONSTITUTION. AND IT'S HARD TO BE A COMMISSIONER. I KNOW I'VE SERVED ON SEMI ANY COMMITTEES AND PEOPLE GET UP. YOU'RE SITTING UP THERE, YOU KNOW, BUT I AM GETTING CONCERN 
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ALL OF A SUDDEN. PEOPLE WANT TO CHIP AWAY AT OUR CONSTITUTION. I MEAN, TWO YEARS AGO IN JANUARY, THIS SICK ONE MAN, GET A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE TO GO DOWN AND LOOK AT WHAT THEIR GUITAR CAPITAL THAT'S WRONG. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY. I'M A REPUBLICAN. SO YOU KNOW I'M GOING TO STAY AND I'M NOT. I'M NOT AGAINST OUR PRESIDENT OR FORMER PRESIDENT. BUT WE'VE GOT YOU KNOW. YOU'VE GOT TO STAY STRONG. YES I'M SURE. LIKE WHEN I SERVED ON PENNY. I HAD MY I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT OF THAT. BUT I LISTENED TO MY OTHER MEMBERS ON THE BOARD NECK AND WE CAME TO A COMPROMISE. BUT I WAS VERY CONCERNED AFTER THE LAST MEETING. OF THE WAY THE PEOPLE ACTED AND CLAPPING AND CHEERING, AND THAT I KNOW THIS WE HAVE A CITY COMMISSIONER. THE OTHER THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. IS AND I'M NOT A LAWYER WAS IN HERE. BUT HE CAN GET HIM GET LET ME KNOW. ABOUT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET UP HERE, BUT I CAN'T. BELITTLE ANY OF YOU. MIKE WOULD STOP ME. CONCERNED WITH THIS. I DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER, BUT PEOPLE ARE TALKING. YES COMPUTER THERE WAS ON THE COMPUTER WHERE OUR BLACK CITIZENS WERE INSULTED. MAYBE THE PERSON WHO PUT IT ON HIS COMPUTER DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT AN INSULT IT WAS. IT WAS THE WORST WHO LIVED IN THE CITY FOR SO MANY YEARS. WE KNOW AND THE SECOND WAS JUST AFTER THAT MEETING. SOMEONE BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION. AND YOU KNOW THAT TOM COMPETITIVE AND I COME TO ALL THE MEETINGS. 
          SURPRISE TIMES. NOT HERE. MAYBE THAT BUT I DIDN'T CARE WHAT WE THINK MINE COMMISSIONER PUT ON HIS COMPUTER. BELIEVING IN MY OPINION, AND I'M ALLEGING THANK YOU. THAT HE. I'M SITTING HERE SO WE MAKE FACES. BUT WHETHER THE AUDIENCE WHEN YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT, YOU HAVE TO SIT UP AND KEEP IT. SMILE ON YOUR FACE. YOU KNOW A BLANK LOOK. BUT I'M WONDERING LEGALLY. CAN COMMISSIONER SIT UP THERE WITH A CAMERA AND FILM US IN THE AUDIENCE. BECAUSE I HAVE PEOPLE SAY TO ME. HEY HELEN. 
          MAYBE YOU SHOULD STOP GOING TO THE MEETING. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE WONDERS, BUT YOU'RE GETTING OLD DOWN AND I SAID NO NORMAL EVER STOP ME. IF I'M GONNA WHEELCHAIR I SAID I CAN GO. NO. COULD HAVE BEEN ON MY BACKGROUND. MY AUNT MARY ALWAYS SAID WE WERE BORN AT BRENNAN. WE WERE RAISED THE BRENNAN AND WE'RE GOING TO DIE IN BERNIE. IF YOU KNEW MY AUNT MARY, YOU'D KNOW WHY I WE ARE LIKE WE ARE. BUT NO, I JUST WANT TO KNOW. YOU'RE PROTECTED. BUT WHAT ABOUT US WHO ARE SITTING THE PUBLIC IN THE AUDIENCE. DO I HAVE TO AND YOU KNOW I DON'T DO MAKEUP. I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO BE ON TV. OKAY COMPUTERS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, HELEN ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? MR MAYOR, CAN I JUST COMMENT REAL QUICK ABOUT BEING ON TV PORTION ? OKAY SO THIS IS A IS A PUBLIC MEETING. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE DO HAVE CAMERAS UP TO IN THE BACK AND TWO IN THE FRONT AND WE DO LIVE STREAMING ARCHIVE THOSE VIDEOS, SO THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY IS OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE TO BE ON OUR PUBLIC. BROADCAST SYSTEM JUST AS AN INFORMATIONAL. OKAY THAT'S THE WORD. YOU'RE JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT. SOMETIMES I VIDEOTAPE OR ASK MR. CROWDS SCARE SOMEBODY TO VIDEOTAPES FROM OTHER PEOPLE FOR ARTS MOMENT OR SOMETHING. SO I DO AND LIKE, SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MISS MCBRIDE, BUT ON THAT SET ON THE OTHER HAND, COMMISSIONER, I DIDN'T MENTION THIS, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE LAST MEETING THE WORKSHOP MEETING OR MAYBE ANOTHER MEETING. I DON'T KNOW, ACTUALLY PUT IT IN PEOPLE'S BOXES. IT'S A BOOK BY DIANE FEENY THAT SHE HAD GIVEN ME SHE LIVES OUT IN. UM WELL, SHE LIVES IN STUART KINGSWOOD. OKAY, YOU SAID IT'S OKAY AND IT'S POLITICS OF PLACE. AND THEN SHE JUST SENT A LETTER TO MR UM, DIETS, AND SHE'S LOOKING INTO WATER. NOW FIRST, SHE WAS LOOKING AT CONDOS NOT JUST HERE, BUT IN ALL OF FLORIDA. AND SO I JUST SAID, GIVE ME LIKE 20 COPIES OF THE BOOK. SO I'VE GIVEN SOMETHING TO EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND I THINK TO THE LP MEMBERS BECAUSE I JUST HAPPENED TO BE HERE, SO SHE JUST SENT THIS AND SENT SOMETHING TO MR. UM DIETS ABOUT LOOKING AT, UM MEDICAL ISSUES IN THIS AREA, SO SHE'S WRITING AN INVESTIGATOR A FEW THINGS, BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF SOMEBODY SAW THAT BOOK IN THEIR BOX CAME FROM DIANE FEENY. THANK YOU. OKAY LETS GOING, MR. MAYOR? YES. I THINK HELEN BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING POINT. UM ABOUT BEING. PHOTOGRAPHED AND VIDEOTAPED AND I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN I'M IN MEETINGS AND NOT EXPECTING IT. 
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IS THERE A DISCLAIMER MR DIAZ ON THE AGENDA, OR PERHAPS A PLACARD OUTSIDE THE HALL INDICATING THAT IF YOU'RE SITTING IN THIS MEETING, YOU SHOULD FULLY EXPECT TO BE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THAT FACT. ALL THE CAMERAS AROUND, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT USED TO IT, YOU DON'T I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT LITTLE AGENDA. I DON'T SEE ONE OF THE AGENDA, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ONE OUTSIDE EITHER, BUT I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO SPEAK TO THE MR MAYOR TO THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS. BUT I WONDER IF THIS INDIVIDUAL OVERSEES THE THREAT AS A RESULT OF THAT OR SOMETHING. MAYBE WE COULD JUST LOOK INTO THIS BURGLAR. OKAY YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A PART OF OUR PUBLIC RECORDS THING TO MAYBE WE COULD ASK MR MARTEL AND WE CAN ADD THAT TO OUR CIVILITY NOTES AND WHATNOT. SO PEOPLE ARE AWARE OR MAYBE A BIG SINGLE UP HERE. YOU'RE BEING RECORDED, OR I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HERE, BUT CERTAINLY ON THE DOORS OUTSIDE OR TO THE SIDE OF THE DOOR OUTSIDE. WITH HIM. I WANTED TO ADD TO, UM, WITH HELEN'S REMARK. OF WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. UM ESPECIALLY IF YOU LIVE IN PORTS. 
          ST LUCIE. UM I THINK IT IF WE CAN WIRE IT DOWN TO THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE IN OR OUT OF THE CITY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ADDRESSES THAT SAY, STEWART. THEY DON'T ACTUALLY IN STUART, WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO, YOU KNOW, REQUIRE SOMEONE TOGETHER ADDRESS. WE ASKED FOR IT. IF THEY DON'T GIVE IT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GIVE IT RIGHT ALONG THE SAME LINES OF IT BEING PUBLIC. YOU KNOW, WE'RE THERE'S PEOPLE ARE STATING WHERE THEY LIVE. 
          THEIR PHYSICAL ADDRESS ON PUBLIC RECORD. YEAH. OKAY WELL, WE'LL CHECK INTO THAT, I GUESS FIGURE 
          [1. EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD - SMALL-SCALE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT (RC): (THIS IS A SINGLE READING ITEM) ORDINANCE No. 2500-2023; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE CITY’S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THEREBY CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM “LOW DENSITY” TO “EAST STUART” FOR 8.60 ACRES OF LAND; “OFFICE-RESIDENTIAL” TO “EAST STUART” FOR 1.93 ACRES OF LAND; “MULTI-FAMILY” TO “EAST STUART” FOR 4.50 ACRES OF LAND; “PUBLIC” TO “EAST STUART” FOR .53 ACRES OF LAND; AND “EAST STUART” TO “PUBLIC” FOR 5.16 ACRES OF LAND AS DEPICTED IN EXHIBIT “A” ATTACHED; DECLARING THE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY’S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN;  PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
OUT IF WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR POLICY. OKAY SO LET'S MOVE ON AND WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED WITH THE FIRST READING ON THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOODS, SMALL SCALE FUTURE. LAND USE AMENDMENT , AND I KNOW JESSICA IS GOING TO START WITH A PRESENTATION OR PRODUCED ITEMS AND I'D ASK. WE HAVE FOUR PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT AND I'VE TALKED TO A PANEL AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE VERY LONG ENOUGH. I'D ASK EVERYONE TO HOLD ANY QUESTIONS TO IN THE END OF EACH PRESENTATION, SO WE'LL DO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. A PRESENTATION FOR THE EAST STEWART LAND USE, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION AND UH, I'LL VOTE ON THE LAND USE AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO ANOTHER PRESENTATION ON THE ZONING AND L D. R S R L D ELDER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND SO THEN, UM AND EACH ONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION BEFORE WE HAVE QUESTIONS THIS WAY WE CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS AND WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS ALL TONIGHT AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. SO PANEL, WOULD YOU GET STARTED YOU GOOD AFTERNOON. I'LL INTRODUCE THE ITEM PANEL. GANDHI SABGA CRE DIRECTOR. FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE OUR FIRST READING ON THE FORM BASED CODE STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR OVER A YEAR WITH TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL WITH MISS JESSICA SEYMOUR. WE HAVE SIX ORDINANCES AS THE MAYOR. UM UH, EXPLAINED, WE HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE, MAP AMENDMENTS, ZONING MAP, AMENDMENTS AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS FOR BOTH AREAS ARE THE E. STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CREEK DISTRICT. YOU'VE SEEN THESE AMENDMENTS WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED BACK IN SEPTEMBER , AND WE RECENTLY TOOK IT TO L P. A MADE A PRESENTATION TO THE LP ABOARD AND THEY HAD SOME COMMENTS AND MISS JESSICA SEYMOUR WILL COVER AS PART OF HER PRESENTATION. JUST FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD. I DO WANT TO. UM, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE A MAKE A KNOWN IN PUBLIC RECORD THAT THIS WAS, UH, PROPERLY NOTICED. WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE I WAS SENT OUT TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THOSE AREAS AND ALSO WE POSTED NOTICE. AROUND THE BOUNDARY OF EACH AREA. THERE WERE SIX SIGNS POSTED IN THE EAST STEWART AREA AND SIX SCIENCE POSTED IN THE CREEK DISTRICT AREA. UM AS I STATED BEFORE WE SENT OUT OVER 1700 NOTICES TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS INFORMING THEM OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE ALSO PUBLISHED A NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER. THE AMENDMENTS ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FLORIDA STATUTE REQUIREMENTS ON ALL THE , UH, ALL THE ATTACHMENTS ARE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE AGENDA PACKAGE AND THE PUBLIC HEARING RECORDS. AH WHY DON'T YOU KIND OF REITERATE SOME OF THE OUTREACH THAT WE'VE DONE? WE'VE HAD THE EASTERN VISION WORKSHOP . THIS WAS BACK ON IN JANUARY. 11TH OF 2021. WE INTRODUCED THE FORM BASED CODE TO THE CRB AND CITY COMMISSION BACK IN NOVEMBER . 2021 THE BOARD DID RECOMMEND TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WORKING WITH THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL TO DEVELOP THE FORM BASED CODE. WE INITIALLY 
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STARTED WITH INTERVIEWS WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONER STAKEHOLDERS TO GATHER SOME OF THE INITIAL INPUT AND FEEDBACK AND THEN WE DID A LOT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH SINCE JANUARY OF LAST YEAR. WE HAD THE VISION WORKSHOP LIKE I SAID IN EARLY JANUARY OF LAST YEAR, WHERE WE HAD GROUPED IT GROUP DISCUSSION WITH THE EASTERN NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TO GO OVER SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS UPDATE OUR EAST STEWART MASTER PLAN. THE MASTER PLAN WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD AT A LATER DATE. WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT. SO THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. YOU KNOW, JUST ONE QUESTION, DO WE? MIKE IS NORMALLY DOES REGION. OKAY GREAT. SO DO WE NEED TO DO IT NOW OR WHAT? THE ITEM? YES SO I WILL. YEAH, I WILL. I'LL GO OVER THE ORDINANCE TITLE. IS THAT WHAT IT IS? YOU WANT ME TO READ OR YOU WANT TO? I CAN READ IT AT THAT. OKAY. GREAT THEN WE HAD THE WALKING TOUR ON JANUARY 22ND OF LAST YEAR. WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE KEY PROPERTIES IN THE AREA. AND SEE HOW THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THOSE AREAS AND HAVE IT IN IRAQ'S WITH THE HOW THE BUILDING INTERACTS WITH THE STREETSCAPE, SO WE RECEIVED SOME REALLY GOOD PARTICIPATION AND FEEDBACK DURING THAT WALKING TOUR. AND THEN WE HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD WORKSHOP ON MARCH 7TH OF LAST YEAR. WHERE UH, WE PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS AND WE COMBINE THAT WORKSHOP WITH LEARNING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF EAST STEWART. THEN WE HAD THE WORK IN PROGRESS MEETING IN JUNE, WE HAD TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS. WE HAD THE MEETING WITH THE CREEK DISTRICT PROPERTY OWNERS AND ALSO, UH, IN THE EVENING WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING WITH THE E. STEWART PROPERTY OWNERS, AND WE REVIEWED THE DRAFT CODE WITH THEM AT THAT TIME. AND THEN, UH, THE CRB HAD RECOMMENDED THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL WORKSHOP IN OCTOBER. 
          SO WE HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL WORKSHOP WITH THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD BACK IN OCTOBER. IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THAT WE'VE HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH CONCERNED CITIZENS OF THE STUART WE'VE ENGAGED WITH OVER 110 RESIDENTS . PROPERTY OWNERS, BOARD MEMBERS STAKEHOLDERS AND WE REVIEWED THE DRAFT CODE BY THE LAND PLANNERS . PROFESSIONALS IN THE AREA IS RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD. WE'VE MAILED OVER 3500 POSTCARDS, 1500 FLYERS 500 DOOR HANGERS. AND WE'VE CONSTANTLY COMMUNICATING ANY UPDATES ON OUR CITIES. WEB PAGE NEWSLETTERS, SOCIAL MEDIA, SO WE ARE VERY ENGAGED WITH THE WITH THE COMMUNITY WITH THE RESIDENTS AND WE CONTINUE TO RECEIVE INPUT AND FEEDBACK AND MAKE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES IN THE FORM BASED CODE. SO WE HAVE SIX ORDINANCES TODAY ON THE FIRST ORDINANCE IS, UM FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT. UM I'LL READ THE TITLE. IT'S AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEREBY CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM LOW DENSITY TO E. STEWART FOR 8.6 ACRES OF LAND. OFFICE RESIDENTIAL TO EAST STEWART FOR 1.93 ACRES OF LAND, MULTI FAMILY TO EAST TWO OR 44.50 ACRES OF LAND PUBLIC TO E. 
          STEWART 4.53 ACRES OF LAND AND EAST STEWART TO PUBLIC FOR 5.16 ACRES OF LAND AS DEPICTED IN EXHIBIT A ATTACHED DECLARING THE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORGANISM CONFLICT PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES, SO THAT WILL BE THE FIRST OR NEWS THAT WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION ON AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UM ADDITIONAL THREE ORDINANCES FOR THE CREEK DISTRICT. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGED ZONING MAP CHANGE AND ALSO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. UM AS THE MAYOR HAS SUGGESTED, WE'RE GOING TO DO A PRESENTATION FOR THE FIRST ORDINANCE THAT I JUST READ AND WE'LL BE ASKING FOR A MOTION FOR THAT, AND THEN WE CAN READ THE ADDITIONAL ORDINANCE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. MISS JESSICA SEYMOUR. SHE'LL GIVE HER PRESENTATIONS. 
          HI THERE. GOOD AFTERNOON APOLOGY JUST ONE QUICK SECOND. IF WE COULD SWEAR IN, IT'S NOT A QUASI , BUT MR MARTEL'S RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO HAVE SWORN TESTIMONY . LEGISLATIVE MATTER. SO IF WE COULD SWEAR ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO BE GIVING TESTIMONY AS IT RELATES TO THE ITEM. CAN YOU HEAR ME? JUST GO AHEAD AND FIGHT. JUST UM, HAVING JUST COME AND CALA HAPPY WHERE THEY WERE ADDRESSING THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE PROCESS FOR FUTURE LAND USE. THE TESTIMONY OF ANY OF THE WITNESSES BECOMES RELEVANT DATA FOR THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER. IN A SIGNING OF FUTURE LAND USE ONCE IT'S UNDER OATH AND BEING GIVEN AS SUCH, AND THEN THE EXHIBITS THAT. FIDEL HAS 
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ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ITEMS SHOULD BE INTRODUCED INTO THE RECORD. UM AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION SO THAT THE ENTIRE ATTACHMENT BECOMES EVIDENCE THAT THE COMMISSION USES TO DELIBERATE WHEN MAKING A DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT FUTURE LAND USE THEY WANT TO ASSIGN. 
          BASED UPON THE AH, RELEVANT TESTIMONY AND DATA, AND ESSENTIALLY, IT'S THE EVALUATING, AND, UM. DELIBERATING PROFESSIONALLY ACCEPTED DATA. THAT'S ALL. IS THAT IS THAT FOR ALL OF THE ITEMS OR JUST THE FUTURE LAND USE ITEMS. SORRY I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION AND FEEDBACK IS THAT FOR ALL OF THE ITEMS OR JUST A FUTURE LAND USE ITEMS AS FAR AS THE SWEARING IN UM, SO THE SWEARING IN IS REALLY JUST THE FUTURE LAND USE ITEMS. THE OTHER, UH L D R AMENDMENTS OR TEXT AMENDMENTS SO THEIR LEGISLATIVE IN NATURE AND THE COMMISSION DOES NOT NEED ANY EVIDENCE TO, UH GRANT OR CREATE AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO A TEXT AMENDMENT. SO THE FUTURE LAND USE THE ASSIGNMENT. UM AND THEN, AS IT RELATES TO THE TWO ZONING MAPS, ZONING MAPS WOULD BE WOULD BE MORE ON A LOCAL LEVEL. UM BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE JESSICA PANEL WILL BE SWORN FOR THE DURATION. THANK YOU. AND BECAUSE THERE'S NO APPLICANT OR SOMEONE PROVING EVIDENCE WE DON'T NEED TO USE THE FALL YELLOW SHEET ON THE QUASI JUST TO SWEARING IN. THAT'S CORRECT. MY DEAR. MARY, CAN YOU DO THE SWEARING IN YOU? YES, SURE. 
          OKAY. FOR ALL THOSE GIVING TESTIMONY, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. REPEAT AFTER ME. UME TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD DO I DO YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT IT. SORRY I APOLOGIZE . OKAY LET THE RECORD REFLECTED TWO PEOPLE, BOTH PERSONNEL, AND JESSICA TESTIFIED AFFIRMATIVELY. ALL RIGHT, JESSICA SEYMOUR FOR THE RECORD FROM TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL. YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE SO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          I'LL TRY TO MOVE THROUGH IT QUICKLY AS A MAYOR MENTIONED, UM AT THE SAME TIME. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE SOME FEEDBACK FOR ANYBODY WHO'S LISTENING IN. SO I MENTIONED TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL OR ONE OF 10 PLANNING COUNCILS IN THE STATE. AND WE WERE ASKED BY THE CITY OF STEWART TO COME IN AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE CODE, AND THAT'S WHERE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING IN THIS CAPACITY TODAY. UM AS PANEL MENTIONED. WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR ABOUT OVER A YEAR NOW. UM AND, UM SO WE'RE EXCITED TO PRESENT THE FINAL OR THE THIS LANGUAGE BEFORE YOU OFFER FORM BASED CODE. UM THIS IS THE LINEAR OUTLINE OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH. UM, WHAT CAN ALREADY DESCRIBED SO THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP. UM WE TOOK A LOOK AT THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP. YOU CAN SEE THE BRIGHT. THE DARKER BLUE IS THE EAST STEWART DESIGNATION. THE GREEN IS THE PUBLIC DESIGNATION. UM AND THEN THE YELLOW IS LOW DENSITY, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER LAND USES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE ITEM BY ITEM SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS BEHIND WHY WE LOOKED AT EACH OF THOSE. THIS UM, ENCAPSULATES THE ENTIRE STUDY AREA. UM THROUGH QUESTIONING. WE'VE HAVEN'T ASKED . WHY NOT INCLUDE LAKE, THE CONTINUATION OF LAKE AND 8TH AND 9TH AND HALL AND THAT'S BECAUSE THESE ROADS DO NOT CONNECT BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEY ACTUALLY CONNECT BACK INTO PALM BEACH ROAD THERE, SO WE LOOKED AT ALL THE STREETS TO CONNECTED E. STEWART SALUTE THE LARGER COMMUNITY. WAS, UM IT'S ACTUALLY ALREADY BEING USED AS RESIDENTIAL. AND SO IT SHOULDN'T HAVE THAT PUBLIC DESIGNATION ON, SO THAT'S IT TO CLEAN UP. THE OFFICE RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST STEWART DESIGNATION . UM REGARDING DENSITY IS ACTUALLY UM, PRETTY EQUIVALENT. 
          I KNOW DENSITY IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE OFTEN MOST CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED IN THIS. AH, THIS PRESENTATION. UM AND THEY HAVE SIMILAR. THE TWO FUTURE LAND USES HAVE VERY SIMILAR, UM, POTENTIAL USES, SUCH AS OFFICE AND RESIDENTIAL UM SAME THING GOES FOR THE MULTI FAMILY. UM AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE OF AREAS OF LOW DENSITY THAT WE MENTIONED ALREADY IN THE DESIGN 10TH STREET AND THESE TWO ARE ON MLK. WE'RE RECOMMENDING THOSE BRING ARE BROUGHT INTO THE EASTER. IT DESIGNATION AGAIN SO THAT BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET AND HAVE SIMILAR PLANNING PRINCIPLES APPLIED TO THEM AND, 
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UM, ARE ADJACENT TO HAVE SIMILAR FUTURE LAND USES TO WHAT THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE. UM AS A NOTE WHEN IT COMES TO THE ZONING DESIGNATIONS. UM THIS ONE ALREADY HAS THE EAST STEWART ZONING DESIGNATION TO IT. AND THEN THESE WILL HAVE A SIMILAR ZONING DESIGNATION APPLIED TO IT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY FABRIC. THAT'S THERE. OVERALL WITH EACH OF THOSE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES IN THE EAST STEWART STUDY AREA. THE DIFFERENCE IS A DIFFERENCE OF 20 DWELLING UNITS. UM AND THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP. UM. AND THIS IS THE RECOMMENDED ACTION. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THEM AT THIS TIME. OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR JESSICA AND THE RED NEWS? THIS IS JUST LAND USE, NOT ZONING. UM HMM. UM. 
          THAT'S JESSICA SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK THAT SHE TOOK CARE OF THEM. ONE OF THEM IS JUST SMALL ISSUE COLORS FOR LAND USED TO SEE HOW THAT PALLET MATCHES. WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW AND ALSO THOSE MAGENTA AND THE PINK WERE KIND OF CLOSE WITH WHAT AGUIRRE PLAZA AND THE OTHER BUSINESS AND SO THAT WAS JUST DESIGNATED. I MEAN, JUST DEPICTING THE LAND USE. THAT WAS JUST ONE THING, AND I THINK THAT SHE SAID THAT THEY WERE TAKING CARE OF IT AND ALSO ARE COMING TO DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WAS TRYING TO WORK ON MAKING A MASTER PALLETS AND MAYBE WHEN THEY CHANGE EVERYTHING, AND WE RE ADOPTED ZONING PLAN, UM EVERYTHING WILL HAVE COLORS THAT ARE DISTINCTIVE RIGHT. SO FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH OF WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE QUITE SO MUCH BECAUSE THERE AREN'T AS MANY COLORS WERE SAYING, CONSISTENT WITH THE COLORS THAT HAVE BEEN REPRESENTED, AND WE'RE COORDINATING WITH G. I S SO THAT WHEN EACH TIME THESE COLORS ARE PRINTED, THEY'RE PRINTED WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ON G I S OR IF IT'S A PRINTED DOCUMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO SHOW UP THE SAME WAY. COMMISSIONER CLARK MENTIONED ZONING DESIGNATION SO I CAN TOUCH ON THAT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE LDCS. OKAY, SO YOU. HOLD ON A SECOND. UM SO MISS SEYMOUR INDICATED THE MAXIMUM DENSITY INTENSITY CHANGES, BUT I ALSO WANT TO INTRODUCE MAKE SURE THAT IT'S INTRODUCED TO THE RECORD THAT ALL THE ATTACHMENTS SPECIFICALLY THE SERVICE CAPACITY LETTERS AND ANALYSIS THAT WERE DONE BY PUBLIC SAFETY AND UTILITIES, AS WELL AS ENVIRONMENTAL OKAY, SO DO WE HAVE A ANY MOTIONS? WE CAN. WE SHOULD MAKE A MOTION NOW FOR THE LAND USE JUST DOING THE LAND USE RIGHT NOW. SO THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. FOR EAST STEWART AND YOU GAVE YOUR REASON WHY, UM FOREST PARK WAS NOT INCLUDED. 
          AND SO IT'S JUST FOR T. STEWART. NORTH AND SOUTH OF MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD, NORTH AND SOUTH OF 10TH STREET AND EAST OF THE A ONE A AND THE RAILROAD. AND BORDER IN ONTO UM FOREST PARK, STOPPING AT THE POLICE APARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THE LAND USES AS DESIGNATED AND AS PROPOSED BUY OR CONSULTANT. AND OUR DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND OUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT. UM NO. THE CRB AND THE L P A. BUT MOST SPECIAL LP, I THINK HAS LOOKED AT THIS. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVED THE LAND USES DETECTIVE DEPICTED IN THE EAST EUROPE. UM AREA. SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UH MR CLARK, SECONDED BY SPICE MARE BRUDER. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION? SEEING NONE. NOTHING FROM PAUL. MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? COMMISSIONER CLARK. 
          YES. COMMISSIONER COLLINS YES, COMMISSIONER RICH YES, BRUNER. YES MCDONALD? YES OKAY, SO LET'S 
          [2. EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD - ZONING MAP AMENDMENT (RC): ORDINANCE No. 2499-2023; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY’S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO ASSIGN “EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD” ZONING AND MAKE CHANGES FOR CONSISTENCY WITH FUTURE LAND USE MAP; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
BLUE BEHIND THE ITEM TO NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE EAST. STEWART UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING MAP AND THEN UM, AND THEN YOUR BUT YOUR PRESENTATIONS DIDN'T COVER ITEM TWO AND THREE. 
          CORRECT. CORRECT YES. SO THIS COVERS BOTH THE MAP AND THE LDCS OR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SINCE THEY WERE UM, TOGETHER, UM , AND AGAIN, REMIND READY, ADDING THAT THE REASON WHY WE'RE LOOKING. WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT THE LDCS TO UPDATE THEM SO THAT THEY REFLECT MORE MODERN, UH, PRACTICES EXHIBITS BETTER PLANNING MECHANISMS LIKE THE FORM BASED CODE. UM AND THEN ALSO, I JUST WANT TO RADIATE TO THAT CODE IS NEVER DONE. THERE MAY BE ASPECTS OF THIS CODE THAT OVER TIME MAY NEED TO BE MODIFIED AND UPDATED, AND THAT'S TO BE EXPECTED. UM AND THEN, UM, BUT THIS FRAMEWORK IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHAT IT PROVIDES IS A VERY EASY UM AND 
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MORE EXHIBITS AND CHARTS AND GRAPHICS TO PRODUCT PROVIDE GREATER PERFECT PREDICTABILITY. 
          THANK YOU. UM FOR APPLICANTS. UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO AND THAT'S OUR DRIVING MISSION AND WHAT WE WERE DOING, UM, WHERE IT LIVES IS IN THE SAME PLACE THAT THE EAST STEWART CODE LIVES TODAY. UNDER THE SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, AND AGAIN WE INTRODUCED A FRAMEWORK IS GOING TO BE MORE ADAPTABLE OVER TIME. IF THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE CODE , UM AND PROVIDES A SIMILAR SEQUENCE TO WHAT'S GOING TO BE PROPOSED IN THE CREEK DISTRICT, SO THAT AGAIN, THERE'S BETTER. 
          PREDICTABILITY ON THAT APPLICATION OF THE CODE. UM WE GOT COMMENTS FROM THE CRB REGARDING, UH, UPDATING THE LANDSCAPE AND SITE STANDARDS, ALONG WITH FIGURES TO DESCRIBE THE LANDSCAPE AND WAL BUFFERS. THERE'S UM, EXHIBITS OF THAT WILL GO SEE YOU LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION. WE ALSO RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS ON THE ELIGIBILITY OF THE TEXT, SO WE'VE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS THERE. UM WE GOT SOME COMMENTS REGARDING OUTREACH TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND THAT THIS IS AGAIN. BACK IN SEPTEMBER, SO WE HELD ADDITIONAL MEETINGS, INTERVIEWS AND PRESENTATIONS AS PANEL MENTIONED, UM AND THEN WE WORKSHOPPED WITH THE AI A MEMBERS AND WE ALSO CONTRACTED WITH A LOCAL PLANNER TO DO A PEER REVIEW OF THE CODE AND INCORPORATED THOSE COMMENTS. THE L P A HAND. THE CITY COMMISSION BOTH HAD COMMENTS ON WHAT WAS INITIALLY INTRODUCED A CIVIC OPEN SPACE AND I'LL ADDRESS THOSE IN THE IN THE PRESENTATION. UM FOR THE SHORTER ANSWER IS THAT WE'VE REMOVED THOSE REQUIREMENTS. UM AND THEN WE ALSO HAD SOME COMMENTS REGARDING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 17 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE VERSUS THE 20 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. I WILL ADDRESS THOSE IN THE PRESENTATION. MOST RECENTLY WE WENT TO THE L P A FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE GOT SOME COMMENTS REGARDING DUPLEXES AND THEIR PROXIMITY TO THE R ONE ZONING DISTRICT. UM SO AFTER THAT MEETING, UM WE HAVE UPDATED THE CODE TO SHOW THAT THERE IS A RESTRICTION, UM, TO RESTRICTED TO JUST DETACHED HOUSING TYPES, SO NO DUPLEXES TOWNHOUSES. FOR PROPERTIES ALONG THE 10TH STREET AND MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD. UM EAST OF FOREST AND YOU'LL SEE IT CROSS HAS JUST REALLY CLEARLY ON THE REGULATING PLAN. UM THE NEIGHBORHOOD OPEN SPACE. ALSO THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT WAS JUST CONFUSING AND PERVIOUS AND IMPERVIOUS. IT WAS UNNECESSARY LANGUAGE. SO WE REMOVE THAT TO HELP CLARIFY THOSE COMMENTS WE'VE MENTIONED IN PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS. ONE ASPECT OF THIS CODE IS THAT WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE SIZE OF DEVELOPMENTS AND WHAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE SIZE OF DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN IN THE AREA? AND ADJUSTED WHAT THE MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS SIZE WAS TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ALSO INTRODUCED WITHIN THE PROCESS MORE TOUCHES FOR THE CRB, THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA AND THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY SO THAT ADDITIONAL BOARDS CAN SEE WHAT'S COMING BEFORE AND BE CONSISTENT WITH ONE ANOTHER IN THEIR, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          ZONING MAP AS IT IS TODAY, UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE THESE TOPS THREE OR THE EAST STEWART DESIGNATIONS. UM AND THEN THEN SO SOME OF THESE OTHER COLORS LIKE THIS COLOR AND THIS COLOR, WHICH COMMISSIONER CLARK HAD MENTIONED ARE VERY SIMILAR. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE CAN MODIFY THAT AND THE NEXT TIME IT COMES BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION, SO THAT IS A LITTLE CLEARER DIFFERENTIATION. THIS IS THE PROPOSED REGULATING PLAN, WHICH WOULD BE THE NEW ZONING MAP AGAIN. THE CROSS HATCHING RIGHT HERE AND HERE IS INDICATING THE AREA THAT IS RESTRICTED TO JUST DETACHED BUILDING TYPE. SO AGAIN, NOT A TOWNHOUSE, NOT A DUPLEX, RIGHT? UM WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THIS COLOR IN OUR NEXT ITERATION . UM, IF THE BOARD DIRECTION UM AND DIFFERENTIATED FROM THIS ONE, WE'VE MADE VERY LITTLE FEW CHANGES TO THE EXISTING, UM, LINES OF THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICTS. IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THEM SIDE BY SIDE, ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT ONES, THOUGH, IS OUTLINED RIGHT HERE. WHERE BEFORE THIS WAS AN AREA THAT ALLOWED FOR, UM OFFICES. UM AND RESIDENTIAL. WE HEARD A LOT OF COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ASKING THAT THAT AREA BE JUST THE SINGLE FAMILY DO PACKS DISTRICT SO WE MADE THAT MODIFICATION THERE. UM ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PIECES THAT I WANT TO CALL OUT TO THIS CODE UPDATE AND RESPONDING TO THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED WAS IN THIS PINK AREA ALONG EAST AVENUE . UM AND IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, THE EXISTING CODE TODAY IN THIS AREA REQUIRES THAT IF YOU WERE DOING COMMERCIAL, IF YOU'RE DOING A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, IT MUST INCLUDE A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT. 
          SO WE ARE REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT COMMERCIAL COMPONENT SO THAT THESE PRODUCTS 
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THESE PROPERTIES CAN THEN HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR SMALL SCALE, MULTI FAMILY ON THOSE LOTS. WHEREAS TODAY IN ORDER TO DO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT OR A LIVE WORK UNIT. YOU'RE STILL ABLE TO DO A LIVE WORK UNIT IF THAT'S DESIRED, BUT IT'S PROVIDES FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY, UM OF THE RESIDENTIAL INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OVER AND OVER AND AGAIN WE HEARD IN THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK THAT THIS IS FIRST AND FOREMOST AND NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT A COMMERCIAL CENTER, SO WE WANTED TO ALLOW FOR MORE OF THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THIS AREA , SO THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE IN THE, UM IN THE PERMITTED USES ON THIS IN THIS CODE, WE ALSO INTRODUCED A THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR SETTING UP EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT THE STREETS ARE GOING TO BE LIKE, UM, THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED IS THIS HAS BEEN CIRCULATED AROUND ABOUT HOW THAT GETS APPLIED TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. AND IT WASN'T OUR INTENTION IN THE WAY THIS CODE WAS WRITTEN TO REQUIRE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO PROVIDE ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO WE'VE UPDATED, UM THE LANGUAGE ON. THE FRONT OF THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS. IT'S ACTUALLY PAGE 28 OF THE OF THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS WHERE IT ADDRESSES THE EXISTING THOROUGHFARES AND CLEARLY STATES THAT IT EXCLUDES SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND IT ALSO PROVIDES THAT EXISTING RIGHT OF WAYS CAN HAVE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AVAILABLE RIGHT OF WAY. SO IT'S NOT UM, YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE PROVIDING FOR A BRAND NEW STREET, THE STANDARDS ARE VERY HIGH. UM AND YOU'D HAVE TO PROVIDE A REALLY CLEAR DIRECTION AS TO WHY YOU WOULD DEVIATE FROM THE PLAN. BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXISTING STREETS, WE HAVE TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS FOR WHAT'S AVAILABLE RIGHT OF WAY. WHAT ARE THE EXISTING TREES WHERE THE EXISTING POLLS LIKE, UM SO THAT WAS ADDRESSED TO THE BEGINNING OF THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS AND WE CAN ELABORATE ON THAT MORE IF NEEDED, WHERE WE AT WHAT PAGE AND FACTORIES WHAT SHE'S DESCRIBING THE CHANGES. I'M NOT SURE 21 1 1921 21. NOT SURE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE 20 FIGURE S N 07 THOROUGHFARE PLAN. I SEE THAT, BUT THE CHANGES THAT YOU REFERENCE IT IS ON PAGE 1 45 OF THE AGENDA PACKET. NICE TO TALK ABOUT THE BATTLE. NO NO, NO. HOLD ON. THIS MAP IS ON PAGE 1 20 IN THE WORLD. BUT THE CHANGES SHE'S EXACTLY I SEE THAT 1 55 45. I HAVE 1 45 IS THAT WHEN I PRINTED THAT WAS THE PAGE NUMBER ASSIGNED TO IT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SECTION E OR YOU'RE UP IN THE ACTUAL IT IS SECTIONS 03020D TWO. SO NUMBER TWO THERE, UM, IT'S STATES, EXCLUDING A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT. AND THEN GOES ON TO STATE THE REST OF THE STANDARD. AND THEN IT ALSO EXPLAINS, UM TAKING INTO ACCOUNT EXISTING CONDITIONS, INCLUDING RIGHT AWAY CONSTRAINTS THAT MAY REQUIRE ADJUSTMENTS TO THESE STANDARDS. EXCLUDING A SINGLE FAMILY. AND IF WE COULD HOLD THE QUESTIONS FOR THE END, SO THANK YOU. UM AGAIN, WE TOOK A DETAILED LOOK AT WHAT THE LOT SIZES ARE LIKE IN THIS IN THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ZONING STANDARDS APPLIED TO THEM, INCLUDING SETBACKS WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE SIZE OF THE LOCKS. SO WE TESTED DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS WITH THE PARKING , ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND UNIT SIZES. AND MADE ADJUSTMENTS . SO EACH OF THESE THIS IS FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX DISTRICT. UM IT'S VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE EXISTING STANDARDS ARE THE MAIN DIFFERENCES BEING IN THE FRONT SETBACK IS LOST FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY OF BEING A 10 TO 20 FT. BUILD TWO ZONE. UM CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT THESE ARE SMALLER LOTS THAT A 25 OR 15 FT SETBACK MAYBE TOO MUCH, AS WELL AS THE REAR SETBACK OF 20 FT. UM WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE G R O, UM AGAIN FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE EXISTING STANDARDS ARE, UM, AND WE MADE THE DENSITY HERE. WE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT, UM B 17 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE . THE EXISTING WAS 15. AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S IN THE COMP PLAN FOR THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD. UM VERY SIMILAR HERE WITH THE B M U WHICH IS THE BUILDING MIXED USE DISTRICT WHICH I MENTIONED BEFORE WHERE WE'VE RECOMMENDING THE REMOVAL OF THE COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL UM AND THEN WE ALSO FOR BOTH OF THOSE DISTRICT DISTRICT AND THE AND THE PREVIOUS ONE OF NOTE HERE AT THE BOTTOM. THERE WERE, 
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UM PROVISIONS IN THE EXISTING CODE THAT ALLOW UP TO FOUR STORIES, SO WE MAINTAIN THOSE PROVISIONS. UM BUT WE DO CLARIFY THAT THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE ACHIEVED THROUGH A P U D AND WOULD REQUIRE THE COMMUNITY WORKSHOP AND OUTREACH THAT WAS MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION SO THAT THE THOSE CURRENT THOSE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS WOULD BE IN LOCKSTEP WITH UM WHAT THE COMMUNITY VISION IS. UM AGAIN. WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY 15 VERSES 17 . AND WHAT KIND OF IMPACT DOES THAT MAKE AGAIN? LOOKING AT THE TYPICAL LOT SIZES WITHIN, UM, THE E. STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S REALLY VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE AND WHAT CAN BE BUILT A POLE BETWEEN THOSE NOW THERE'S A HANDFUL OF SITES THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT LARGER IN, UM, THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU CAN SEE THAT'S WHERE YOU START TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE IN THE UNITS DID THE BASE UNIT COUNTS BETWEEN 15 AND SEVEN? 18 IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER, BUT THAT COULD BE ENOUGH TO MAKE A PROJECT PENCIL OUT FOR SOME APPLICANTS. UM AND THEN THIS IS THE FRONTAGE TYPES THAT WE'RE INTRODUCING PART OF THE FORM BASED CODE HERE IS THAT YOU HAVE A FRONTAGE TYPE. UM IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ONE OF THE FRENCH PAGE TYPES OUTLINED AND THEY PROVIDE DIMENSIONAL CRITERIA. FOR THOSE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. IT WOULD BE A PURCHASE PORTRAIT STOOP IN THE S THE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX, FOR EXAMPLE. WE RECEIVED COMMENTS, UM WITH SOME CONCERNS FOR ACCESSIBILITY REGARDING, UM THE PROVISION OF A PORCH BEING, UM UP OFF THE GROUND. UM AND WHAT WE'VE COME. WE RECOMMEND IT. IS THAT THE THAT THE PROVISIONS SHOW THAT IT'S THE COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING STANDARDS OF 18 INCHES ABOVE THE CROWN OF ROAD, WHICH IS THE EXISTING STANDARD TODAY THAT'S REQUIRED FOR A FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT. UM AND THEN THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO GO HIGHER. BUT THAT WOULD JUST BE A RECOMMENDATION. BECAUSE OF COURSE WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE, UM HOMES DIFFICULT OR INACCESSIBLE FOR, UM ALL USERS. THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF THE BUILDING TYPES INTRODUCED. BUILDING TYPES ARE NOT, UM, PRESCRIPTIVE OF WHAT THEIR USES ARE THERE REFLECTIVE OF THE FORM OF A BUILDING. UM, AND ALL OF THESE BUILDING TYPES ARE CONSISTENT WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT. UM SO AGAIN DUPLEXES, BUT DUPLEXES THAT CAN LOOK LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, COTTAGES. COTTAGE COURTS AND SMALL APARTMENT HOUSES OR WHAT ARE ILLUSTRATED IN THE BUILDING TYPES. UM I ALREADY MENTIONED THE CROSS HATCHING. THIS IS A BLOW UP OF THOSE AREAS AND INSIDE THOSE BUILDING TYPES. 
          THERE'S ADDITIONAL NOTES TO HELP CLARIFY THAT. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE BUFFERING THAT WE INTRODUCED AS AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT SOUGHT WHAT THE SIZE OF BUFFERING IS AROUND PARKING LOTS AND AROUND BETWEEN DIFFERENT USES, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S SOME RADIATION BETWEEN WHAT'S REQUIRED, UM IN CERTAIN CASES SO YOU CAN GO DOWN TO FIVE FT, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE THE USE OF A WALL SAFE STAY FOR BUFFERING A PARKING LOT SO THAT AGAIN BEING SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE IN A TIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE, SO WE NEED TO PROVIDE, UM, ALTERNATIVES THAT CAN BE, UM, A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN WHAT'S INCLUDED IN OUR BASE ZONING CODE FOR BUFFERS. I MENTIONED THE CIVIC OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT THAT HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OPEN SPACE AND THIS IS NOT REQUIRED OF ANY LOT BASED ON SIZE OR BASED OFF OF USE, BUT IT REMAINS IN THE IN THE L. D C SO THAT THERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT CIVIC OPEN SPACES OR NEIGHBORHOOD OPEN SPACES CAN BE, AND IT'S ALSO A TOOL FOR DEVELOPMENT STAFF. UM, AND PLANNING STAFF WHEN THEY TALK TO POTENTIAL APPLICANTS. SO THAT'S REPEAT. REPEAT WHAT I'VE JUST SAID, AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE CODE, THERE'S ELEMENTS THAT REFERENCED LOW IMPACT INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN HELP US TO IMPROVE OUR STORM WATER EXISTING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS, UM AND MAKE OUR WATER CLEANER AND BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, UM AND SO THERE'S ELEMENTS HERE AND AGAIN, THESE WOULD APPLY FOR NEW APPLICATIONS . UM, ANY SUBSTANTIAL APPLICATION? UM IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW AGAIN, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OWNER WOULD WOULD EVER BE REQUIRED TO BUILD OUT THIS STREET. UM SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR THAT'S REALLY CLEAR. BUT THESE INSIDE THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD OPEN SPACE. UH PARKING LOT. STANDARDS AND LANDSCAPE STANDARDS ARE REFERENCES TO THE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S US. MANY OF THE CITY STAFF AND COMMISSIONERS AND MYSELF AT THE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE. IT WAS JUST REALLY, UM, I LEARNED A LOT AND I WAS VERY EXCITED TO BRING THIS CODE AND TEST SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WE ADDED IN THERE, UM AND INCORPORATE WHAT WE COULD INTO YOU INTO THESE LDCS. AND AS MENTIONED BY PANEL, WE WILL BE COMING BACK WITH A MASTER PLAN 
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UPDATE. AND THAT'S MORE, UM, ABOUT REFLECTING BACK THE VISIONING THAT WE'VE HEARD OVER THE LAST YEAR. AND UM ALL OF THESE SPREADSHEETS AND DATA THAT WE'VE GATHERED FROM THE COMMUNITY REFLECTED BACK IN A VISUAL FORM. THE TOP THREE TAKEAWAYS FROM THE STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD CODE, ALLOWING RESIDENTIAL IN THE BUILDING. MIXED USE. UH DISTRICT, UM, REFLECTING THE LOT SIZE AND THE HISTORIC BUILDING SETBACKS AGAIN, ALLOWING FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY ON THOSE SMALL SITES TO BUILD TO MODERN BUILDING STANDARDS AND ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE COMMUNITY INPUT. I THINK THOSE ARE THE THREE TOP UM, YOU KNOW MAJOR CHANGES WITHIN THE LDC TODAY FOR E. STEWART THAT ARE REALLY SIGNIFICANT FOR THE COMMUNITY AGAIN. OUR NEXT PRESENTATION I HOPE WILL BE THE ADOPTION ON FEBRUARY 13TH AND THIS IS THE RECOMMENDED ACTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JESSICA? YES. MR COLLINS. SO. NOT NECESSARILY WITH THE PRESENTATION, BUT MORE THE AGENDA PACKET BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING THROUGH, UM SHOULD WE GO? GO AHEAD, ALRIGHT, QUOTES A LINE BY LINE. SO PAGE 1 14 IN OUR PACKET. PERFECT, RIGHT? ON THE SAME PAGE. THAT WAS THE BEGINNING OF YEAH, AND POTATOES, RIGHT? YES, IT IS. OKAY, SO ACTUALLY, LET'S. I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO NITPICKY HERE. BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INCREMENTAL COMPLIANCE BECAUSE IT'S COLD, RIGHT? WE'RE DEFINING WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO. WHAT SHOULD WE BETTER? DEFINE WHAT INCREMENTAL COMPLIANCE IS? IS IT OVER A TIMEFRAME? IS IT YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA INVEST SO MUCH INTO YOUR PROJECT. THAT'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF IT NEEDS TO BE BRINGING IT INTO COMPLIANCE RIGHT? IT JUST SEEMS KIND OF LIKE, VAGUE AND WHO KNOWS WHAT RIGHT, SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THIS CODE UPDATE ONE OF THE DEFINITIONS THAT WE'VE UPDATED, UM WAS THERE WAS NOT A CLEAR AND THIS IS PART OF THE NEXT PACKET. THERE WASN'T A CLEAR IT IT DEFINED A CUMULATIVE VALUE FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL UM. SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATION, RIGHT? UM AND IT DIDN'T CLARIFY HOW FAR THAT WAS. SO WE WENT AHEAD. WE ADDED SOME DEFINITION TO THAT. SO THAT'S THREE YEARS, SO THAT'S A CLEARLY DEFINED, UM, CUMULATIVE TIME. UM WE ALSO WE MENTIONED THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS. THAT'S A REALLY BIG ONE WHERE THE INCREMENTAL COMPLIANCE COMES ABOUT. UM YOU KNOW IF YOU ONLY HAVE 40 FT, RIGHT OF WAY, AND THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS INDICATE THAT THERE SHOULD BE SHADE TREES AND ON STREET PARKING IN FRONT OF THAT SITE. WELL IT'S NOT. IT MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE WITH THE PROJECT RIGHT OR THERE MAY BE A UTILITY. THESE ARE NOT ENGINEERED DRAWINGS THAT GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS FROM THAT'S TO BOLT FOR A PARTICULAR SITE. SO THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO TALK WITH DEVELOPMENT STAFF AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE CONSTRAINTS ARE FOR THAT SPECIFIC SITE VARIANCE OR IT COULD BE A VARIANCE. EXACTLY THE VARIOUS PROCESS STILL IS HERE. UM ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF INCREMENTAL COMPLIANCE. MAYBE UM , YOU'VE GOT AN EXISTING HOME RIGHT AND YOU WANT TO DO. IN ADDITION, NOBODY'S GOING TO EXPECT THAT HOUSE TO BE PICKED UP AND MOVED. LET'S SAY DO WE HAVE A DEFINITION? FOR WHAT? SUBSTANTIAL YES, ENOUGH. THAT IT WOULD TRIGGER THIS YEAH, THE THEY'RE ALL DEFINED TERMS IN THERE BASED OFF OF THE ASSESSED VALUE, AND UM, AND THE REPLACEMENT VALUE. SOME OF THEM COME FROM THE FLOODPLAIN CODE, AND, UM, EXCEPT THE ONE THAT ISN'T IS THE SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT OF BELIEFS. HMM. OH, QUITE COVER. THAT IS THE POINT CODE IS THAT 50% OF THE OF THE VALUE OF THE STRUCTURE IS THAT YES, EXACTLY. SO IF IT IF THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MORE THAN TO HELP YOU OUT, THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MORE THAN 50% 50% OR MORE MORE THAN 50% OF THE CURRENT STRUCTURAL VALUE. JUST THE STRUCTURE, NOT THE WHOLE PROPERTY, THEN. THEN YOU HAVE TO. THEN IT TRIGGERS THIS. IT ALSO TRIGGERS TO FEMA, WHICH REQUIRES THE FINISHED FLOOR LEVEL TO BE THE 18 INCHES ABOVE THE ROAD. IS THAT CORRECT JESSICA, BUT AGAINST IT TO GO BACK TO THE EXAMPLE OF AN APPLICANT COMING IN, THEY WANT TO DO AN ADDITION TO THEIR HOME THERE THAN THAT EDITION WOULD BE EXPECTED TO MEET THE EXISTING WHAT ARE THE PROPOSED, UM, SETBACKS WHEREVER FEASIBLE. BUT IF THERE WASN'T A CASE WHERE AT HOUSE WAS ALREADY LET'S SAY, ENCROACHING INTO A SETBACK AND IT MADE SENSE TO COME OUT STRAIGHT. YOU KNOW THERE. THAT'S THE INCREMENTAL COMPLIANCE. YOU WERE INCREMENTAL. IF WE'RE HITTING 50, AND THEN IT'S ALL WELL, THAT'S JUST IT. YOU YOU'RE NOT THE CODE IS NOT EXPECTING 
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ANYBODY TO SAY TAKE DOWN THEIR HOUSE IN ORDER TO DO IMPROVEMENTS OVER TIME, RIGHT OR WHERE THEIR BUSINESS EXACTLY. SO IT'S THAT'S THE INCREMENTAL PART WHEREVER YOU CAN. RIGHT. SO IF THE BUILDING YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SAY THE LET'S SAY IN EASTER, THERE'S A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS CLOSE TO MLK OR CLOSE TO EAST AVENUE. UM WHERE CALLS FOR, YOU KNOW, AND EIGHT FT. SIDEWALK RIGHT FOOT CLEAR SIDEWALK IF IT'S FIVE FT, AWAY FROM THE SIDEWALK, NO ONE'S EXPECTING THAT THAT BUILDING TO COME DOWN IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT NOW, IF IT'S SET BACK WITH OUR CODE, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. IF IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION? YES ABSOLUTELY. IF IT'S A NEW CONSTRUCTION, AND IT SHOULD COME BACK AND MEET THOSE MINIMUM, UH, SIDEWALK STANDARDS OR WRITE WELL , AND EVEN IF IT'S 50% THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME ROOM FOR MEETING THE STANDARDS IF YOU'RE WORKING WITH AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, RIGHT, IMAGINING THIS WAS MY STREET, RIGHT BECAUSE I LIVE OFF FLAMINGO, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DRAMATICALLY CHANGING 10TH STREET. FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT? YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON 10TH STREET. I'M SURE A LOT OF THOSE HOUSES THEIR YARD IS LIKE HALF OF HALF THE YARDS. THE SETBACK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING FROM 40 FT. ON THESE THESE ROADS TO 60 FT. DEPENDS ON THE RIGHT OF WAY SO AGAIN, PARTS OF 10TH STREET OR AS WIDE AS 60 FT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. UM IT'S SURPRISING. SOME ROADS ARE VERY , VERY NARROW THEIR 40 FT RIGHT OF WAYS, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THOSE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS THAT SHOW 40 FT RIGHT OF WAYS. UM 10TH STREET, THOUGH THEIR SEGMENTS OF 10TH STREET THAT ARE MUCH WIDER THAN 60 FT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THEY HAVE EAST, RIGHT? EASTER UM I BELIEVE A 60 FT RIGHT OF WAY, AND PART OF THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BAILED OUT. IT HAS ON STREET PARKING. 
          IT HAS THE SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET. IT DOESN'T HAVE IT. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET AND AGAIN, WE WENT THROUGH. WE LOOKED AT EACH ONE OF THESE VERY CLOSELY TO SEE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE STANDARDS THAT PEOPLE CAN'T COMPLY WITH ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ON THE LARGER DRAGS. THERE'S STREET ONE. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DESIGNATION, BUT THOSE MAIN DRAGS LIKE 10 PM OKAY AND EAST WHERE YOU WIND IT OUT TO 60. SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THAT THE STREETS, DID THEY WE DON'T ONLY FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THAT WAS THE DUPLEX CONCERN. AND SO WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT IN THE IN THE UPDATED LANGUAGE. UM AND AGAIN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES NOT GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO THAT. AND THERE CAN BE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY ON A DRAG OF THAT THAT PORTION OF MLK OR 10TH STREET WHERE IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE TO DO WITH WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF AND WORKING WITH C R. A TO REALLY FINALIZE WHAT THOSE THOSE SECTIONS ARE GOING TO BE. UM MM. OKAY IS A SUBJECT OF ITS OWN COMPLETE STREETS, PROCESS AND STUDY THAT'S BEING DONE. SO THOSE FINAL DETAILS IS THAT IF THE OWNER CAN'T DO IT, THE CITY WILL COME THROUGH WITH THE COMPLETE STREET. IS THAT THE IDEA? MM. 
          OKAY IS IT IS? IT IS A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF THIS CR A TAKING THE INITIATIVE AND TAKING MAKING AN INVESTMENT AND LOOKING AT THAT INVESTMENT DEPENDS ON WHO GOES FIRST. IF WE HAVE THE DESIGN AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS READY TO DEVELOP, WE WOULD PRESENT THE DESIGN CONCEPTS TO THEM AND THEY WOULD BUILD ACCORDING TO OUR SUSPECT. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE STRANGE TO HAVE THAT PIECE OF THIS HOUSE HAS IT AND THEN THAT HOUSEHOLD REALISTICALLY, THE MLK HAS ALREADY GOT THE CORRIDOR PROJECT IN PROCESSES GOING ON WHICH WILL COME BACK TO YOU GUYS . THE EAST AVENUE STREET LIKE, JESSICA SAID, ALREADY HAS THE ON STREET PARKING IN SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE IN THE 10TH STREET. YOU WOULDN'T DO IT ON THE NORTHERN SIDE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL IS. YOU WOULD DO IT ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, WHICH IS WHERE OUR PARK IS AND WHERE THE TAILOR PROPERTY IS, AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO THAT'S THE AREA YOU WOULD WANT THEM. BOTH SIDES WERE TALKING JUST ONE TIME. WELL I MEAN, IF YOU GET ENOUGH RIGHT AWAY IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE LINE WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT, MY ASSUMPTION WAS THAT WE WERE DOING BOTH SIDES RIGHT? IT DOESN'T. IT CAN BE AN ASYMMETRICAL 1, 10 STREETS AND EGGS, PERFECT EXAMPLE OF ASYMMETRICAL BECAUSE THERE IS PUBLIC PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF THAT, RIGHT. WE HAVE GOT THE WATER TREATMENT AND GUY DAVIS AND THIS WILL THAT AGAIN. THOSE EXPECTATIONS WILL PROBABLY BE TIED INTO SOME OF THE MASTER PLANNING THAT'S GOING ON AT GUY DAVIS. UM SO IF YOU GO TO THE ADDED A FEW. OKAY SO YOU'LL SEE RIGHT HERE. SO THIS IS THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY. RIGHT THIS THIS THIS STREET RIGHT HERE , UH, NEIGHBORHOOD STREET AT PUBLIC USE WAS MODELED AFTER 10TH STREET. THE TYPICAL CONDITION IT 10TH STREET. RIGHT SO IT'S A 60 FT RIGHT AWAY FOR THE MOST OF 10TH STREET. UM THIS IS THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY. THIS IS THE YOU KNOW, QUOTE UNQUOTE, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL HOUSE THAT WE JUST INSERT HIM HERE, BUT IT'S AT THE SETBACK THAT WE'RE DESCRIBING. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S NOTHING ENCROACHING ONTO THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY. UM IT'S HOUSE FOR WIDER SIDEWALK AND SHADE TREES, TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC, UM, THE POTENTIAL FOR ON STREET PARKING , BUT ONLY ON THE PUBLIC USE SIDE AND A WIDER SIDEWALK AND AGAIN. THIS IS A CRITICAL 
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THOROUGHFARE FOR, UM FOR WALKING . THIS IS A MAIN THOROUGHFARE FOR MANY KIDS GETTING TO AND FROM SCHOOL. BOTH UM STEWART MIDDLE AND JD PARKER, UM, AND YOU'LL SEE SOMETIMES IN THE SIDEWALKS, JUST JAM PACKED AT DISMISSAL WITH KIDS GETTING GETTING HOME, SO, UM, AND THIS IS JUST AGAIN, SETTING THE EXPECTATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE FOR THAT. UM THE M L K A AND, UM AND 10TH STREET AGAIN THIS ON STREET PARKING. THIS TRAVELING IS ALREADY BUILT OUT. 
          THERE ARE ALREADY SOME INSTANCES OF SHADE TREES ALONG THAT THOROUGHFARE AND ALSO SOMETHING TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, THE 11 FT SIDEWALK. SOUNDS REALLY SCARY, UM TO SOME FOLKS, BUT IT'S REALLY A SIX FT CLEAR ZONE. AND A FIVE FT FURNISHINGS OWNS A FIVE FT FURNISHING ZONE WOULD BE WHERE YOU WOULD PUT A SHADE TREE. YOUR BENCH, YOUR GARBAGE PAIL, YOUR LIGHTING AND AGAIN. 
          THIS IS SETTING UP AN EXPECTATION IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME IN AND DO A SUBSTANTIAL REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, RIGHT, NOT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME COMING INTO ONE OF THOSE SITES. 
          UM WHEN ARE THE WHEN IS SOMEBODY REQUIRED TO PUT THE SHADE TREES IN? IF IT WAS A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. THAT WOULD BE ONE. UM UH, NEWER DEVELOPMENT OF COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE MAY WOULD BE REQUIRE THE SHADE TREE TO COME IN. UM AND I BROUGHT UP SOME EXAMPLES FROM THE CITY OF STEWART TO SHOW THAT THE SIDEWALK DIMENSIONS ALTHOUGH THEY SOUND UM YOU KNOW VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S THERE. IN SOME CASES, THE E. STEWART HAS A COUPLE OF 4.5 FT SIDEWALKS THAT ARE INTERRUPTED WITH POLLS THAT ARE REALLY NOT MEETING THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS. UM YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN EIGHT FT SIDEWALK IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE SIDEWALKS IN THE CITY OF STEWART. UM THIS IS AN EIGHT FT SIDEWALK. UM THIS COLORADO IT VARIES BETWEEN 8 TO 12 FT, WHICH IS GREAT BECAUSE IT ALLOWS FOR PEOPLE TO BIKE ON THOSE ROADS AND PASSED PEDESTRIANS. UM THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESSES ON FLAGLER AS A 12 FT SIDEWALK. SO UM, I WANTED TO AGAIN SHOW SOME OF THAT SO THAT THERE IS SOME FRAME OF REFERENCE THERE. ONE THING THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP, UM , ALLEVIATE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THIS SIDEWALK IS CLARIFY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMBINED PEDESTRIAN AND FURNISHINGS. DOWN. AND AGAIN, THE CODE DEFINES WHAT A PEDESTRIAN ZONE IS AND FURNISHING ZONE IS THOSE DEFINITIONS ARE IN THERE, UM, TO EXPLAIN THAT A FURNISHING ZONE IS WHERE YOU PUT THE STUFF THAT GOES ON YOUR SIDEWALK, RIGHT? AND THEN THE PEDESTRIAN ZONE IS THE AREA THAT YOU NEED TO TRAVERSE TO WALK TO AND AGAIN. 
          THIS SUPPORTS YES. TO DO WE HAVE A LIKE A MECHANISM OR A PLAN. SO THAT THERE'S NOT JUST A PIECEMEAL OF THESE, YOU KNOW TO WHERE THE STREETS NOT WHAT IT IS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IN FRONT OF ONE PARCEL, THERE'S THIS COMPLETE STREET SECTION. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT LIKE A FUND OR IS IT TRULY JUST GOING TO BE TRIGGERED ONE AT A TIME? WHAT'S WHAT'S THE PLAN TO? I MEAN, WE CURRENTLY DO THAT WITH MAJOR DEVELOPMENT STUDIES WHERE WE REQUIRE THEM TO DO WIDER SIDEWALKS SO EVENTUALLY, WHEN EVERYTHING GETS REDEVELOPED, WE WILL HAVE A CONSISTENCY AND THE WORD OF SIDEWALKS. UM, BUT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, MAYBE DOING, UH PARALLEL PARKING OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PROJECT. DEPENDING ON YOU KNOW THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT. MM HMM . AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH REVOCABLE PERV IT TO USE THE CITY'S RIGHT AWAY TO DO DO THE WORK IN THE CITIES RIGHT AWAY, AND THAT'S USUALLY COMES BEFORE THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL AS PART OF THE PROJECT. GOTCHA PARCEL BY PARCEL, AND ONE OF THE BIG ASPECTS OF THIS IS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THIS ANALYSIS TO SET UP. WHAT ARE THE EXPECTATIONS SO THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT SETBACKS FOR THESE THOROUGHFARES, RIGHT? AND FOR THESE PARCELS, BECAUSE THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS SAY, OH, I WOULD REALLY LIKE THERE TO BE AN EIGHT FT. SIDEWALK IN THIS AREA WHERE A SIX FT SIDEWALK HERE AND THEN YOU'RE SET BACKS DON'T SUPPORT THAT. RIGHT SO EVEN IF THE SIDEWALKS DON'T COME, WE WANT THE BIG PIECES OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO ALIGN WITH WHERE THE YOU KNOW FUTURE INVESTMENT. MAYBE UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO COME ALONG WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT MAJOR DEVELOPMENT. UM BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT IN A SINGLE FAMILY, RIGHT? EXACTLY SO A LOT OF THE ROADS LIKE TARPON, YOU KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE A THAT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT KIND OF PROCESS. WE'VE GOT LOTS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES RIGHT UP NEXT TO EACH OTHER. YES IT IS THE SIERRA RIGHT IN THE FUTURE, ACHIEVE IT. WE WOULD HAVE A MASTER PLAN FOR THE NEED. OKAY, UM ON PAGE 1 16. I JUST HAD A SMALL THOUGHT ON THIS IS. THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR CAN REQUIRE THEM TO HOST A COMMUNITY WORKSHOP. AND I THINK THAT KIND OF DOVETAILS WITH YOUR POINT OF WANTING MORE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, WHICH COOL, BUT MAINLY THOUGHT WOULD BE. CAN WE DO THAT LEGALLY, AND MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION. FOR MY VIEW. HE'S LISTENING. BUT ARE WE ALLOWED TO PUT THAT BURDEN. SO 
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UM. THE CODE CAN REQUIRE COMMUNITY WORKSHOP. WHAT BECOMES ? THE QUESTION IS, IS IT DISCRETIONARY? AND THEN THE CHALLENGE WOULD BE IF SOMEBODY FELT LIKE THEY WERE. TREATED DIFFERENTLY. IT KIND OF FALLS INTO THE SAME CATEGORY AS THE IDEA WHERE YOU HAVE, UM HEY, PERSON THAT SAYS THE CITY IS SELECTIVELY CODE ENFORCING AGAINST THEM. THE CITY OF STEWART HAS NEVER HAD THAT PROBLEM. BUT THERE'S OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE A LAWSUIT HAS ARISEN AND SOMEONE HAS CHALLENGED GOOD ENFORCEMENT BY SAYING IT WAS A SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND THAT THEY WEREN'T YOU KNOW, TREATING THIS HOUSE THE SAME AS THE OTHER HOUSES. SO IF I LIVED ON STREET A AND I WANTED TO READ THE MODEL, MY HOUSE AND THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR MADE ME DO A COMMUNITY WORKSHOP. AND THEN YOU KNOW, I SPENT ALL THE TIME AND MONEY DOING IT. AND THEN THREE WEEKS LATER, MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR REMODELED THEIR HOUSE AND THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR DID NOT MAKE THEM DO A COMMUNITY WORKSHOP. I MIGHT YOU KNOW, BE UPSET BY THAT, BUT IT WOULD REALLY BE THE DISCRETION OF THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND WE CAN . IT'S LEGAL TO BE IN THE CODE. IT JUST NEEDS TO BE CAUTIOUSLY APPLIED AND MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR IS EQUITABLE AND FAIRLY, UM, HAS SOME KIND OF BASIS FOR IMPLEMENTING IT. PLEASE OK, CAN ADD INSIDE THE CODE. IT'S ONLY REQUIRED. IT'S CALLED OUT TO BE REQUIRED TWICE. IT'S WHEN A PROJECT IS FOUR STORIES. UM AND WITH A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT , WHICH IS A DEFINED THRESHOLD, THAT'S A PROJECT WITH MORE THAN 20 UNITS, UM AND OVER 20,000 SQUARE FEET. AND AGAIN THOSE THOSE NUMBERS WERE BASED OFF OF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DIED, UM IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT'S SPECIFICALLY DESCRIBED AS JESSICA JUST DESCRIBED. THERE IS NO DISCRETION. THOSE ARE MANDATED, NO MATTER WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WOULD BE AUTOMATIC. I THOUGHT THERE WAS COMMISSIONER COLLINS, EXAMPLE OF WHAT HE WAS READING FROM WAS LIKE IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WAS DOING SOMETHING OR IF THERE WAS SOMEWHERE WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HAD DISCRETION BUT WHERE IT'S VERY SPECIFIC, THEN THAT'S VERY CLEAN AND EASY. 
          KEVIN UM. ANOTHER JUST, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT CRITICALLY, IS WE'RE NOT ABANDONING RIGHT AWAYS. AND WHEN I LOOKED AT FIGURE SEVEN, IT LOOKED LIKE SOME OF THOSE RIGHT AWAYS THAT WERE OVER BY LIKE 10TH STREET. THE GUY DAVIS. THERE ARE SOME RIGHT AWAYS THERE. SO IT'S CURIOUS HOW THAT WORKS. SO THE PARCEL LINES ARE A LITTLE FUNNY IN THERE BECAUSE A FEW OF THEM LOOK LIKE RIGHT OF WAYS, AND THEY'RE NOT ONE OF WHICH IS ONE THAT IS A RIGHT OF WAY STILL RUNS THROUGH GUY DAVIS AND GUY DAVIS'S INCORPORATED SOME, UM, SOME PEDESTRIAN PATHS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT THAT CONNECTION UM THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER ONES THAT I THINK HISTORICALLY WERE RIGHT OF WAYS, BUT THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN ABANDONED. SO THEY HAVE THAT PROFILE. ON PAGE 1 24. 
          SO. TO START TO GET INTO THE CONVERSATION AROUND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON 1 24 THE FOOTNOTE THAT IS ON THE LOT SIZE. WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO THAT FOOTNOTE, AND IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY HELP ME BUT FOR EXISTING PARCELS WITH ASSIGNED PARCEL ID. UM AT THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS CODE. THE NEWLY PLANTED LOTS OF HAVING MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 43 65. SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS EXISTING LOTS. I WILL NOT HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE. THEY DO NOT HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE TODAY, AND THAT WAS REALLY SIGNIFICANT FOR EASTER BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A HISTORICALLY PLANTED AREA WHERE THERE ARE SOME VERY SMALL LOTS. 
          THERE'S SOME LOTS THAT ARE ONLY 36 FT WIDE, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S SOME LOTS THAT ARE TRIANGULAR SHAPED BECAUSE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, SO IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT. I THINK, HISTORICALLY FOR THEM TO DETERMINE, UM HOW A , YOU KNOW LEGALLY PLANTED LOT COULD BE BUILT UPON WITH THOSE MINIMUM LOT SIZES. UM WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS SOMEONE TO TAKE THAT PRINCIPLE, THOUGH IN IN THE FUTURE AND SLICE UP VERY, VERY, VERY TINY LOTS, RIGHT. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE THOSE NEW MINIMUM LOT SIZES INTRODUCED FOR NEW, UM, NEWLY PLANTED LOTS. ONLY WITH THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. HOW WOULD THAT HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH 80 US? BECAUSE OUR CODE. AND I MIGHT 
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LEAN ON MIKE AGAIN HERE WITH OUR CODE. GRANDMOTHER THEY'RE NOT 80 YEARS, THEIR MOTHER IN LAW SUITES. THERE IS YEAH, MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND COTTAGE LOTS AND RIGHT YOU'RE YOU'RE PERMITTED TO HAVE A D USE TODAY. UM THERE IS A PROVISION AND ACTUALLY, I CAN PULL IT UP. IT'S ON THE PARAGUAY POINT. I'M SORRY, COLONEL. THANK YOU. UM THERE'S AN EXISTING PROVISIONS FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN THE CITY OF STEWART. UM AND THEY ARE CALLED OUT AS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS , BUT THEY'RE MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT HAD BEEN HISTORICALLY CALLED GRANNY FLATS. WE'VE KIND OF MOVED AWAY IN THE PLANNING COMMUNITY FROM CALLING THEM THAT. UM, BUT THEY REQUIRE THE FIFTH BULLET IS ONE THAT REQUIRES THAT THEY ARE A PART OF THE FAMILY IN ORDER TO BE BUILT AND OCCUPIED, RIGHT? UM AND THEN THE E. STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT PROVISION NOT CONTINUE THROUGH WHAT WE DO REQUIRE IN THIS CODE, THOUGH, IS THAT, UM THERE MUST BE THE PRIMARY RESIDENTS OF THE PROPERTY OWNER MUST BE IN ONE OF THOSE UNITS, RIGHT? SO UM, THE PRIMARY OWNER COULD LIVE IN THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND RUN TO THE MAIN HOUSE, OR THEY COULD LIVE IN THE MAIN HOUSE, THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND RENT THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. UM AND AGAIN, THIS IS REFLECTIVE OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS A PATTERN THAT HONESTLY HAPPENS WITHIN THE MANY CITIES WHERE THERE'S A DUS ALLOWED, UM AND, YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT OF ARE YOU RELATED? ARE YOU CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE RELATED? YOU KNOW, THE CITY DOESN'T REALLY? UM IT MAY NOT BE THE AREA THAT THE CITY WANTS TO GET IN AND REGULATE. UM AND SO SOUND A LITTLE FUNNY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, POLICY AND MY CONCERN IS FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT. 
          WHERE WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY MINIMUM LOT SIZE. WE'RE ALLOWING THAT PRIMARY. THAT HOME. AND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN A GARAGE. 20% HAS TO BE. LANDSCAPED, AND THAT'S LATER. 
          AND THEN YOU'RE POTENTIALLY LOSING 10, FT OF YOUR FRONT YARD AND RIGHT OF WAY. UM IT'S SO MUCH DENSITY. SO HERE HERE'S MY CONCERN IS THAT IT ALREADY HAPPENS NOW, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE BACKYARD CHICKENS. EVERYBODY'S GOT BACKYARD CHICKENS. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, BUT ONCE YOU CODIFY IT IN CODE YOU'RE NOT IT'S NO LONGER BENEFITING LOCALS, RIGHT? NOBODY'S WE'RE NOT KNOCKING ON DOORS TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY IS YOUR UNCLE THAT LIVES IN THAT 80 YOU IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ONLY A LIABILITY THAT YOU'RE OPENING THE DOOR FOR DEVELOPERS AND COMMERCIAL EAR CODIFYING. DOUBLING THE VALUE OF THAT DIRT, POTENTIALLY WELL, WELL, TWO POINTS. ONE IS THAT NOBODY'S TAKING 10 FT. FROM FROM THAT THAT FRONT PROPERTY RIGHT SO HARD NOW, BUT WELL, NO, NO, NOT EVEN. I MEAN, SO, LIKE, UM MANY OF THE LOTS AGAIN AND WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH IS WHERE THIS IS ALLOWED TO BE DONE, RIGHT? UM THE RIGHT AWAY HAS BEEN BUILT OUT. FOR THE MOST PART. THERE'S VERY WE'RE TALKING FEET, RIGHT? SO NOT NOT 10. FT WE'RE TALKING MAYBE TWO FT THAT WE WOULD MAKE THE EU S, THOUGH, RIGHT? THINK SO THE POINT ON THE 80 US IT'S ALREADY A PERMITTED USE. UM THERE'S SOME ADVANTAGES TO HAVING IT CODIFIED ONE. IT'S EASIER FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THAT, 80 YOU TO SAY THAT'S AN E D A D U AND YOU KNOW IT DOESN'T MEET STANDARDS OF, UM, PARKING, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A PARKING SPACE ON THAT SITE PLAN IF YOU'RE BUILDING AN AD YOU RIGHT, SO NOW IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IT'S ONLY IN THE STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE PARKING SPACE FOR THAT FOR THAT HOME FOR THAT HOME. IF YOU BUILD CODE IS ONCE ONE PARKING SPACE FOR THAT HOME, YES. AND SO IF YOU BUILD ANOTHER IF YOU BUILD AN ¥80 THAT LIGHT NOW WE HAVE A WAY OF SAYING, OKAY, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THAT OTHER CAR? SO THAT'S 11 MECHANISM THAT'S HELPFUL IF I CODIFYING IT, CODIFYING IT. UM IT ALSO, UM YOU KNOW IF PEOPLE I DON'T WE HEARD A LOT OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR THE IDEA OF AN 80 YOU IT'S A WAY OF PUTTING SMALL UNITS WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE KEEPING THE NEIGHBORHOOD FABRIC. UM AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME LOTS LIKE YOU SAID, WHERE IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO FIT. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE YOU'RE LIMITED BY YOUR LOT COVERAGE AND THAT YOU THAT'S THAT'S THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER. BUT THERE ARE SOME LOTS WHERE THIS IS A GREAT COULD BE A GREAT APPLICATION, ESPECIALLY SOME LOTS WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU KNOW, ALI ACCESS OR, UM, IF THE PROPERTY IS ALREADY UP TO THE FRONT, UM AND AGAIN AS FAR AS IMPROVING IN A COMMERCIAL VALUE OF ADDING SOMETHING THAT WASN'T THERE 
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BEFORE IT REALLY IS THERE ALREADY. I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIG TRIGGER FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, CHANGE IN THE VALUE OF A PROPERTY OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM PRETTY GOOD SEPARATE HOOK UP ON IT. I THINK IT'S A POINT OF THIS IS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. I SHOULD MENTION THAT THEY DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, AND I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT. BUT OUR COTTAGE LOT CODE PROHIBITS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. AND COTTAGE. LOTS ARE WHAT'S THE WORD? SO I THINK IT'S UNDER IT TO SOMETHING. I CAN'T I WOULD CRASH INTO THIS TRUCK IN FRONT OF ME IF I TRIED TO LOOK IT UP, BUT I KNOW THAT THE CITY ADOPTED IN LIKE 2007, OR 88 COTTAGE LOT CODES TO ALLOW FOR COTTAGE LOTS IN SUBSTANDARD LOTS WITHIN THE CITY BECAUSE WE WERE FINDING THERE WAS A LOT OF LOTS THAT MIGHT NOT BE 50 DY, BUT THERE WERE SUFFICIENT LOTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. AND THE CANADA LIKE CODE WITH ADOPTED IN THE COTTAGE LOT CODE. IT'S SPECIFICALLY HAD LANGUAGE THAT SAID THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW FOR THE COTTAGE LOTS ON THESE SMALLER OR COTTAGES TO BE BUILT IN THE SMALLEST OF SCATTERED LARGE, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE AND IT SAID NO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. NOW THE HARDEST LIKE CODE WILL NOT APPLY THE STEWARD BECAUSE HE'S STEWARDESS CAN HAVE ITS OWN FUTURE LAND USE OF E. STEWART AND ITS OWN ZONING OF S F D. WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, UNDER THIS EAST STEWART, UH, CODE AS WELL. SO HAS THERE BEEN ANY JUST FOR CLARIFICATION? I JUST KNOW YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT COTTAGE LOT INCREMENTALLY, AND I JUST WANTED THE RECORD TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE JESSICA'S THAT WE ALREADY HAD ALLOWED 80 US AND WE ALREADY ALLOWED COTTAGE LOTS , BUT WE DON'T ALREADY ALLOW 80 US ON COTTAGE LOT AS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT TO WHAT IN SINCE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE. WHAT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE MIGHT BE FOR AN 80 YOU ANY STEWART. 
          REALLY I THINK THAT THE MAXIMUM COVERAGE OF 75% OR 65, DEPENDING ON WHICH ZONING DISTRICT YOU ARE GOING TO LIMIT THAT ALREADY. BUT IF IT'S THE BOARD'S DIRECTION THAT WE LOOK AT THAT WE CAN BRING THAT BACK. ABSOLUTELY. JUST A THOUGHT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FLOODING. RIGHT WHEN WE MORE DECREASING THE IMPERMEABLE SURFACE, POTENTIALLY . I MEAN NOT EVERYBODY IS GONNA HAVE AN 80 YOU RIGHT? RIGHT. SHOULDN'T YOU ASSUME THAT IF THEY THE NEW CODE WENT INTO YOU KNOW, FULL ADOPTION BY THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. WHAT MIGHT BE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT, AND I'M SURE TO BE OVER DOOR LOOKED AT ALL THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT, IS, YOU KNOW OR POTENTIALLY IF IT COULD BE DOUBLING THE DENSITY OG IMPERVIOUS GLAND? YEAH SO THAT'S WHY THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE IN THAT, UM ON PAGE 1 24, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE DIDN'T CHANGE THOSE STANDARDS FROM 65 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE EXISTING STANDARD IS, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND THE DRAINAGE ANALYSIS LOOKED AT AS WELL AND FOR THE B M U. IN FACT, WE CLARIFIED THAT IT IS, IN FACT, 75 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE COMP PLAN UM REQUIRES AND IN ANY LAND USES OTHER ER THAN THE DOWNTOWN. UM SO WE'VE REFLECTED THAT, YOU KNOW, AS CLEARLY AS WE CAN HERE, AND THAT THAT CHART 75 IMPERMEABLE. YES, FOR JUST FOR THE B M U TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE A D US KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT THE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ALREADY, SO IT'S JUST BRINGING THAT FORWARD. 
          IT WASN'T AS CLEARLY COMMUNICATED IN THE PREVIOUS CODE, THOUGH. UM PAGE 1 25 IN OUR PACKET. WHEN WE WERE TALKING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEIGHT THERE. I WASN'T 100% SURE IN YOUR GRAPHIC ON 1 25. IF THERE WAS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT. THEY'RE JUST SHOWED AN ADDITIONAL 10 FT COULD BE USED TO COVER UP. ARAFAT COULD BE USED. TO COVER UP THE UNITS OR WHATEVER. NO IT WOULD BE ON TOP OF 45 FT. FOR 40? YES THE CAP. SO 45 FT. THIS WOULD BE YOUR BUILDING HEIGHT IS THE 45 FT OR THE 35. DEPENDING ON WHICH ZONING DISTRICT YOU'RE IN AND THEN THESE ARE THIS IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT'S IN THE EXISTING CODE. SO UM, THIS IS THAT WE DIDN'T CHANGE HOW HIGH IT IS BEING MEASURED, BUT WE CHOSE TO ILLUSTRATE IT SO THAT IT WAS CLEARLY COMMUNICATED. WE DO ANOTHER 10 FT. PREPARE A FAT OR THAT'S A NEW THAT'S IN ADDITION, IF IT'S LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 40% OF THE BUILDING FACADE TRANSLATE THAT IN. SO LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A MASSIVE A C UNIT OR WATER CHILLER. UM YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE 
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THAT. SO THAT'S SCREENED BY THAT . THAT GIVES YOU THAT LEEWAY TO SCREEN THOSE WITH SOME ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS RATHER THAN YOU KNOW, LIKE A APPLIED LOUVER ON THE ROOF. ONLY CONCERN IS ANDY STEWART. THAT'S SUCH LIKE A MM HMM. TOWN. YOU KNOW YOU HAVE POTENTIALLY A 55 FT. 
          FACE ON A BUILDING. TO ME THAT DOESN'T FEEL APPROPRIATE. DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ELSE FEELS, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT IT. IF THAT INCLUDED TOPPING OUT AT 45 FT, OR FOR WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA TALK ABOUT BUILDING THINGS TO 55 FT IN THE STEWART AGAIN JUST TO REITERATE THAT'S THE EXISTING STANDARDS ON HOW HEIGHT IS MEASURED, AND THOSE WERE EXISTING HEIGHTS THAT ARE IN THE CODE TODAY, THE 45 FT THAT YOU MENTIONED, UM IT'S ONLY ALLOWED TODAY THROUGH, UM, A CONDITIONAL USE. WE LOOKED AT THAT STANDARD . ALSO THINKING THAT IT WAS THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG THING IN IN, UH ANY STEWART IN SOMETHING THAT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THAT'S WHY, UM, WE CALLED FOR THAT FOUR STORY HEIGHT TO ONLY APPLY WHEN , WHEN AN APPLICATION IS GOING THROUGH A P U D AND IT WOULD REQUIRE THAT ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING GOOD. 
          UM. NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT PAGE I WAS HERE AT THIS POINT, BUT WITH THE 80 US AT 700 SQUARE FEET AS THAT MAXIMUM FOR THE EU. WHY 700 , THEN YOU YOU MAKE THE POINT TO SAY WHEN WE GO OVER 700. WE'RE GOING TO START COUNTING THAT TOWARDS DENSITY. HOW WOULD THAT WORK? THAT'S ANOTHER ADVANTAGE TO REGULATING THE 80 YOU RIGHT NOW. THE LANGUAGE DOESN'T CALL OUT A SIZE OTHER THAN 50% OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE. UM SO AGAIN IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT SOMEONE WHO GOT CREATIVE ON A SITE, UM THIS IS SHOWING THAT IT'S GOT TO BE ACTUALLY A SMALL UNIT. UM AND THAT IF IT EXCEEDS THAT SMALL UNIT SIZE THAT YOU ARE THEN COUCHING THAT TOWARDS YOUR DENSITY. YOU CAN'T YOU KNOW, DOUBLE DIP AND CALL A 1400 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE. UM A ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. IT'S NOT ACCESSORY ANYMORE. IT'S GETTING BEYOND THAT SIZE STANDARD WAY OF DOING THAT, ASSUMING SO IN THE IN THIS IN THE REGULAR ARE ONE OR TWO SINGLE FAMILY. IT WOULD BE 50. 
          IT'S THIS LANGUAGE. IT'S UP HERE, AND IT'S NOT TO EXCEED ONE STORY AND THE SETBACKS AND I BELIEVE IT'S 50% OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. UH UM. THE, UM. SO THIS IS AGAIN JUST PUTTING THAT CLARIFICATION IN THERE THAT IF YOU'RE EXCEEDING THAT SIZE, UM 700 SQUARE FEET CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF A TWO CAR GARAGE. UM SO TWO CAR GARAGE WITH THE UNIT ABOVE AND WE PULLED RECENTLY DONE 80 US AND SAY THE CITY OF STEWART CAN ATTEST THAT SIZE TO SEE IF IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT PEOPLE ARE BUILDING. UM AND WHAT FIT ON THOSE LOTS AND THAT WAS VERY KEEN WITH 700. 
          TECHNICAL ON PAGE 1 27 DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO WAIVE THE CODE. SO THERE'S THAT LINE IN THERE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR MAKES THAT CALL FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND . WE ALREADY HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANTS. ISN'T THERE SORT OF A MECHANISM TO WAVE. THIS IS ITEM I WITCHES REGARDING, UM REGARDING THE UTILITIES AND PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS IS IN A CASE THAT THERE WERE CONFLICTS WITH UTILITIES. YEAH. LIKE IF YOU KNOW. YOUR SEWERS GOING UNDERGROUND. UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE. THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD IS. SHOULDN'T THAT BE THE ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANTS THAT DOES THAT VERSUS THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR? UM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION ABOUT PROCESS, ACTUALLY. UM I MEAN, THAT WOULD REALLY BE. THIS IS SAYING THAT THEY HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO LOOK AT THE ADMINISTRATIVELY AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS UTILITY LINE RIGHT HERE. WE GOT TO WORK. WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW YOU'RE MEETING YOUR STEP BACK NOW OR YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PUBLIC WORKS. 
          REVIEW ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH UTILITIES AND THEY'LL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS FISHING. UM. 
          WHAT'S YOUR BEEF WITH COLDER, SO I DO HAVE A BEEF WITH PROBLEMS. NO I DON'T HAVE A PERSONAL BEEF WITH CALLED THE SACKS. THEY CAN BE VERY LOVELY. UM WHAT'S CONCERNING ABOUT CALLED A SAX IS THAT THEY CREATE A DEAD END CONDITION, UM, WHICH CAN LENGTHEN TRIPS. SO THERE ARE INSTANCES OF COURSE, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A CALL THE SACK. UM IN FACT, ANY STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD? UM THE ROAD THAT TERMINATES USED TO TERMINATE INTO FLORIDA STREET WAS TURNED INTO A CALL TO SACK TO ACCOMMODATE, UM AH, THE WIDENING OF THE TRACKS. AND WHAT'S 
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IMPORTANT ABOUT THAT, THOUGH, IS THAT YOU STILL HAVE A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO GET TO FLORIDA STREET. UM YOU KNOW, THERE'S AGAIN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOLKS WHO ARE WALKING AND BIKING. IF YOU CREATE BARRIERS TO THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT RIGHT NOW. RIGHT EXACTLY RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CORRIDOR FOR KIDS TO WALK TO SCHOOL, FOR EXAMPLE, SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF AVOIDING CALLED A SAX IF IT CALLED A SACK HAS TO OCCUR. MAINTAINING THAT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. OKAY, UM THE FEASIBILITY. WHERE FEASIBLE, WHERE FEASIBLE, WHERE FEASIBLE, LIKE WITH THE SHADE TREES, FOR INSTANCE, SHOULD WE DEFINE SINCE ITS CODE. WHAT FEASIBILITY, BASED ON WHAT IS IT? THE ABILITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO AFFORD IT IS IT CAN THE TREE BE PLANTED THERE? WHAT? WHERE FEASIBLE SEEMS KIND OF LIKE SPATIAL ABILITY. AND SO WE WILL ADD. 
          WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE FEASIBLE SHOWS UP AGAIN. AND, YEAH, WE CAN BRING THAT FORWARD IN THE NEXT. GATED COMMUNITIES. WHY NOT? UM, GATED COMMUNITIES OR THE SAME PROHIBITION TO OUR DISCOURAGEMENT OF CALLED A SAX. THEY BREAK DOWN THE CONNECTIVITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS A REALLY SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD. UM AND ONE OF ITS STRENGTHS IS THAT YOU CAN GET TO PLACES WITHIN IT. UM AND IT'S NEAR DOWNTOWN GATED COMMUNITY WOULD WOULD PUT UM, AN END TO THAT THAT ADVANTAGE. REALLY, UM, IN MANY CASES, UM, IT DOESN'T LIKE I SAID IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT SOMEONE PUTTING A GATE UP AT THEIR OWN PRIVATE RESIDENTS IF THEY WANTED TO DO THAT, BUT A LARGE SCALE GATED COMMUNITY WOULD AGAIN CAUGHT BREAKDOWN THAT CONNECTIVITY TO THE REST OF THE CITY. UM WHICH AGAIN IS THE STEWARDS NAME ADVANTAGE? ONE OF ITS ADVANTAGES IS THAT IT IS CONNECTED TO THE CITY. MY ONLY THOUGHT WOULD BE PROHIBITION ON THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S EVEN REALLY A DESIRE TO DO IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT IT SEEMS EXTREME TO PROHIBIT A NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE WANT TO BUILD A GATED COMMUNITY THAT THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO IF THEY WANTED TO JUST SEEMS A LITTLE BIT. IT INTENDS TO PROHIBIT IT IN OUR CODE. UM TYPICALLY, I MEAN, IN THE PAST, IT HASN'T BEEN A SET OF PRIVATE RESIDENCES WANTING TO PUT UP GATES AGAIN. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS INTENDED TO PROHIBIT ITS PROHIBITING THE USE OF A LARGE BLOCK AS A GATED COMMUNITY. UM AND THERE HAVE BEEN PROPOSALS NEAR EAST STEWART IN THE PAST THAT THEY DID TALK ABOUT DOING THAT. SO UM, THAT'S WHY WE'VE INCLUDED IT IN THE CURRENT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD ONCE IT'S FINE. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. 
          UM. JUST JUST ASKING. I JUST SAW THAT AND I THOUGHT GOOD QUESTION TO ASK ON THAT IF THEY APARTMENT COMPLEX WANTED TO BUILD ON GARY PROPERTY, COULD THEY YEAH, I'M GONNA CARRY PROPERTY. TAYLOR PROPERTY COULD BE GATED AT THE ENTRANCE OR NO SIMILAR TO HOW AZUL GATED THEIR PARKING LOT. UM THAT WOULD BE GATING THEIR PRIVATE RESIDENTS, UM, IF THEY WERE GATING, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO GATING OF RECOMMENDED CONNECTIONS OR, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT THOROUGHFARES. UM REALLY? I COULD SEE A KID LIKE AGAIN PROTECTING A GAINING OF A PARKING LOT. IT WOULD BE LOOKED AT DIFFERENTLY AND MAYBE WE CAN ADD SOME CLARIFICATION. IF THAT'S A CONCERN. PARKING LOT IS DIFFERENT. ENGAGING A ROAD. EXACTLY. THANK YOU. THAT'S NOT SCARY. 
          MHM BOATS. OKAY PAGE 1 57 BOATS , CAMPERS AND TRAILERS CAN ONLY BE PARKED IN THE BACKYARD. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD COME UP IN THE PAST AND LOT OF PEOPLE CAME OUT IN OPPOSITION. THAT THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO PARK TRAILERS ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND I GET THE SENSE OF WANTING TO KEEP IT CLEAN. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING ANYBODY ELSE GOT. THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE AN ISSUE WHERE THAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MIGHT BE UPSET. THEY CAN'T USE THE SIDE YARD FOR A VOTER TRAILER SIDE YARD. IF IT WAS THE BOARD DIRECTION AND WE COULD YOU KNOW, IMAGINE THAT JUST OPENING IT UP FOR CONVERSATION. REALLY? I WASN'T SURE. I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE UM. THE GARAGE IS NOT BEING THE PRINCIPAL ELEMENT DOES 
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THAT INCLUDE A GARAGE DOOR? YES THE HOUSE SO THAT WOULD BE DISCOURAGING A GARAGE DOOR. ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO THERE'S PROVISION FOR THAT THAT ARE ILLUSTRATED ON PAGE 1 60. SO ONE OF THEM IS IF YOU HAVE A GARAGE IN THE FRONT, UM, YOU TURN YOUR CORNER SO THAT THERE'S WINDOWS AND THE FACADE OR THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING READS IS ONE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO GET RIGHT. SO THEN, IF THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO DO THAT, THE GARAGES SETBACK. UM AND THAT DIMENSION IS DEPENDENT ON HOW BIG THE GARAGES SO THAT'S WHAT THE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE GRAPHIC THE DIMENSION E SO FIVE FT FOR ONE CAR GARAGE AND 10 FT FOR ANYTHING LARGER THAN THAT, UM, AND THEN THESE ILLUSTRATIONS ON THAT, UM, GRAPHIC HAVE AGAIN. 
          THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW. DEPICTS A TYPICAL LOT SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT, UM, THAT DIMENSION CAN WORK WITH A FLIP, BUT. THAT'S ALL FOR ME. THANK YOU ANYONE ELSE? MR CLARK. I'M PROBABLY GONNA GO OVER EVERYTHING THAT'S COMMISSIONER COLLINS HAS GONE OVER. BUT LET ME JUST GO TO THE FRONT. OKAY? I JUST WANTED TO SAY IN, UM IT'S ON PAGE 1 16 OF THE COMMISSION PACKAGE UNDER A PROCEDURE AND PROCESS. THAT AND MAYBE YOU CAN EXPLAIN THIS AGAIN AFTER I ASKED, MY QUESTION IS THAT, UM THIS EAST STEWART CODE. IT'S A CHORD. IT'S SIMILAR TO AN OVERLAY EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE CODE IN CHAPTER 11 STAYS, WHICH IS, UH, IN THE PRE APPLICATION SECTION, AND SO WHOEVER IN DEVELOPMENT STAFF OR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OR CODE ENFORCEMENT OR ANYBODY WHO'S USING THIS CODE. WOULD HAVE TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE AND BE AWARE OF THE ENTIRE CITY CODE AND HOW IT WOULD APPLY TO THE PARCELS. SO UM, CHAPTER 11 IS STILL THERE. 
          EVERY OTHER CODE OF THE OF STEWART IS STILL THERE, EXCEPT WHEN WE HAVE PROPERTIES AND THE LOCATION THAT MEETS WITH THESE REQUIREMENTS OR NEED TO MEET WITH THESE REQUIREMENTS. CORRECT YES, CHAPTER. 11 WOULD STILL APPLY ALL THE PROCEDURES FOR VARIANCES. UM NOTIFICATIONS. 
          THOSE ARE STILL APPLY TO ANY OF THIS BUSH SPECIAL ZONING, UM DISTRICTS. OKAY AND THAT WAS THE I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND, OF COURSE, THAT ALSO GOES TO SO THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY WHO DIDN'T WANT TO DO MORE MULTIFAMILY OR SOMETHING HAPPENS AND LIKE YOU SAID, I THINK YOU PREFACE IS IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF MINUTES OF YOUR PRESENTATION THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S CODIFIED, THINGS ARE ALWAYS CHANGING. SO SOMETHING HAPPENS AND SOMEBODY WANTED TO LITERALLY CHANGE THE LAND USE. UM IN THIS AREA. THERE'S AN OPTION TO CHANGE THE LAND USE EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A PART OF AN ADOPTED PLANET DOESN'T SIT THERE FOREVER . SOMEBODY CAN STILL COME IN AND MAKE A CHANGE. AND IF IT MEETS WITH ALL OF THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS STAR FAIR THIS AND THAT WE COULD SEE CHANGES WHETHER IT'S IN MOVING AROUND. 
          COMMERCIAL OR SOME TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL. WHATEVER IT IS, THOSE CAN BE THE LAND USE MAPS THE LAND USE THE OPTION TO DO. CHANGES IN LAND USE IS STILL AVAILABLE, AS WITH ANY OTHER RESIDENT OF THE CITY. UM SO THEN I'M GOING TO. I THINK THE COMMISSIONER COLLINS MADE VERY GOOD COMMENTS AND I HAD ACTUALLY HAD A LOT OF THOSE AND I'VE GONE THROUGH WITH SEVERAL TIMES WITH MR MARTEL AND WITH SOME OTHER PEOPLE AND ALSO TALK TO MISS. UM SO I HAVEN'T REREAD SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT? I THINK THEY'RE ALL IN HERE. SO I AM SATISFIED WITH THAT. LET ME GO TO THE PAGE 1 19 OF THIS. I DON'T HAVE, LIKE, FIVE THINGS. AND I'M JUST GONNA I'M JUST SHE WANTED. I'M JUST MAKING MY COMMENTS. SO THE 1 19 AGAIN. IS THAT UM, REGULATING PLAN THAT INCLUDES THOSE POTENTIAL NEW USES AND SO ON. AND IF WE ADOPT THIS PROPOSE IS TO IT CALLED IT HAS THIS STAR FAIR PLAN ISSUE IN THERE, AND I THINK THAT, UM THE COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER COLLINS REALLY DEALT WITH SOME OF THE NITTY GRITTY THAT I HAD WITH REGARD TO STARTING WITH THE RIGHT AWAY AND WHETHER IT'S 40 FT. 60 FT. IS THIS CALLED REALLY GOING TO IMPACT PEOPLE 
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NEGATIVELY WERE WHEN YOU START DOING SOMETHING YOU FIND THAT YOU CAN'T MEET ALL THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENTS OR YOU CAN'T MEET ALL THE DEPTH REQUIREMENTS AND SO ON, AND I THINK THAT THAT DISCUSSION ANSWERS IT BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE ABILITY FOR VARIANCE . WE STILL HAVE ABILITY TO MEET WITH THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, PRE PLANNING NEW DEVELOPMENT, INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT. UM SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES AND MODIFICATIONS. ALL THOSE THINGS ARE ALL CONSIDERATIONS, SO THAT THIS SAYING THAT THIS IS HERE AND WHENEVER SOMEBODY COMES IN EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE EVALUATED AGAINST AND THEN, UH, ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED THAT INCORPORATED BUT THE MAIN THING IS THAT WHEN SOMEBODY DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, THEY CAN GO RIGHT AHEAD WITHOUT HAVING TO COME TO THE TO ASK FOR ANY TO COME TO THE CITY COMMISSION. THEY JUST GET THEIR BUILDING PERMITS IF THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. OKAY SO LET ME SEE ALL OTHER CASES. 
          CHAPTER 11 REGULATING PLAN. OKAY, AND I HAVE A NEW PLAN. TONIGHT I HAD LOTS OF NOTES AND THEY'RE GONE. I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THOSE PAGES ANYMORE. SO ON PAGE 1 27. MR. IN FACT, COMMISSIONER COLLINS AND I WERE READING FROM THE SAME BOOK GETTING THE SAME KIND OF CONCERNS. SO LET ME SEE. UM YES . SO THE DWELLING UNIT ISSUE IS ONE THING THE A D U AND I'M SATISFIED WITH THE DISCUSSION ON THAT AND I'M SATISFIED WITH HOSTS LAID OUT HERE, SO THAT'S FINE, BUT DONE IN NUMBER H. UM I DID TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT. AND I'M HOPING THAT WHEN WE COME BACK TO SECOND READING ON THIS PART THAT MAYBE WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING, UM, SATISFACTORY, AT LEAST THAT I THINK WILL MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO EITHER EITHER HAD SOMETHING WHICH I THINK THAT WE NEED TO REFER, LET ME GO TO NUMBER H, UM, NUMBER AGES, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO KEEP UP WITH A LOT OF RULES. UM, YOU KNOW, TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO, ESPECIALLY WHEN TO RECREATE SOMETHING. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, ON THIS ONE, A AND B. 
          IT HAS A MCCARTHY BUILDING, WHICH THE IF IT'S THE EAST AVENUE BUILDING, THERE WAS AN OLD HOUSE FROM MR RICHARD MCCARTHY, WHICH I THINK IS EITHER ON YOUR SPRUCE. I THINK IT WAS ON SPRUCE. ANYHOW THAT'S WHITE AND GREEN HOUSE THAT'S GONE. THE OTHER BUILDING WAS A LAST TIME I LOOKED AT IT. IT WAS QUITE BEFORE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TOOK IT DOWN. MAYBE 18 YEARS OR MORE AGO. A LONG TIME AGO, MR CRYSTAL WAS ON THE COMMISSION. 
          SO I'VE BEEN HERE 12 YEARS. I'D SAY A LONG TIME AGO. THEY TOOK THAT DOWN, BUT WE STILL CONSIDERED THAT DRUGSTORE LIBERAL WORK DOWNSTAIRS. LIVE UPSTAIRS. THAT WAS LIKE THE. THE UM THE MODEL FOR EAST FOR EAST AVENUE. SO THAT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. BUT THESE TWO ARE LISTED, BUT AND I THINK IT ALSO GOES BACK UNDER UH, AGE. WORD SAYS, UM, CANDIDATES FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION AS SET OUT IN SECTION OH, FIVE OR NINE. UH, IN THAT SECTION. HOWEVER I THINK WE NEED TO SAY SOMETHING TO MAYBE REFER TO THE LIST THAT'S IN THE CHARADE SO THAT WE KEEP THAT HISTORY GOING THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND UM, IF WE NEED TO SAY WHICH MCCARTHY BUILDING, WE NEED TO SAY THE ONE ON EAST AVENUE AND THEN, UM. UH THE ISSUE ABOUT THE UTILITY. I HAD THAT THERE, TOO. SO THAT'S FINE. WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, AND THEN IF WE WERE GOING TO LIST, I WOULD SAY THE BELL FAMILY HOME ON MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD, WHICH IS THE HOME OF THE FIRST PEOPLE WHO WERE THE MURRAY HOUSE, WHICH IS WHO WERE THE HEAD OF THE EAST TO A TRAINING SCHOOL. AND THEN I'D ALSO SAY THE EAST TO AUSTRALIAN SCHOOL, WHICH IS THE OWNED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD. IF WE'RE GOING TO LIST THINGS, AND I DON'T MIND LISTING THINGS IN THE CODE, BUT I THINK IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO LIST ALL OF THEM, WE SHOULD SPECIFICALLY REFER EVEN THOUGH THE CHARETTE IS NOT ADOPTED INTO CODE THAT THAT'S A GUIDELINE THAT WE'RE USING ON THE HISTORIC FOR NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE STEWART AND I LET PEOPLE ARE ARE NOT LIVING THERE ANYMORE. SO WE NEED TO SAY IT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN KNOW WHERE TO GO TO GET THE INFORMATION. SO I THINK THAT ON PAGE 1 27 8 WHICH ONE AND TWO, ESPECIALLY NUMBER TWO. IF WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN THAT KIND OF GOES INTO THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAD ON ON COTTAGES AND WHAT COTTAGES IN TERMS OF A LOT SIZE AS WELL AS COTTAGE AS A BUILDING TYPE. 
          AND SO YOU EXPLAINED IT WELL TO ME, BUT IF WE NEED TO LAY THAT OUT AGAIN OR PUT SOMETHING TO DEMARCATED WHEN WE'RE USING IT INTERCHANGEABLY AND WITH SINGLE FAMILY AND THAT SO THAT THE 
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BUILDING TYPE OF COTTAGE TYPE AS WELL AS THE LOT SIZE DESIGNATION THAT'S IN OUR OTHER PART OF THE CODE IN THAT COULD BE SET OUT. CLEARLY THAT WOULD BE NICE AND THEN ON PAGE ONE TOO FAST. I CAN'T EVEN RESPOND TO YOU. I DIDN'T WANT TO. I JUST I JUST WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK ABOUT THE H THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION. BECAUSE THE NUMBER TWO SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT BUILDINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEMOLISHED, AND THEN SOME OF THE ONES THAT YOU MENTIONED ARE STILL AN EXISTING, SO THE ONES THAT ARE STILL IN EXISTING, WOULDN'T THEY FALL UNDER HISTORIC BUILDING CODE? YEAH OKAY. YOU'RE SAYING THE LIKE THE MURRAY HOUSE AND BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL BUILT THEIR EXISTING SO THEY FALL UNDER AND I KNOW YOU JUST PUT THE TWO NEW TO DEMOLISHED ONES. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. CAN WE? SCHOOL BOARDS PROPERTY? CAN WE REGULATE THEM UNDER CODE BECAUSE THEY CAN. IF THEY WANTED TO GO AND TEAR DOWN . WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. ANYWAY. I'M SAYING MENTION IT, I JUST WANT THEM TO MAKE IT SO THAT WE GOT. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE CAN'T TELL THE SCHOOL PROPERTY. WE UNDERSTAND. THAT'S WHAT WE CALL THEM. THE SCHOOL BOARD. THANK YOU, MR COMMISSIONER. I DON'T KNOW WHY I HAVE NUMBER 1 43 MARKED IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BECAUSE IT HAD TO DO WITH RIGHT AWAY AND PARKING. BUT I THINK YOU HAD AN ADEQUATE DISCUSSION. SO I'M NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT. THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I HAD WAS WAY OVER HERE WITH A SHARED BRIDGE. AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THAT WITH MR MORTAL AND THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT. AND YOU KNOW THAT I'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH YOU. AND, UM AH. UH IT'S IF IT'S ADOPTED. IT'S SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY WILL LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE. UM BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL EVER DO THAT SHARE BRIDGE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MLK. I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT COULD BE. AND THEN THAT WOULD BE WITH THE COMMUNITY GROUPS SUCH AS BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB OR EVEN WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY AVAILABLE PLACE THERE TO DO THAT KIND OF THING. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAD WITH MR UM COLLINS KIND OF COVERS ALL OF MY THINGS. I WAS UM, THAT WAS THE LANGUAGE ON THE HISTORIC THING WAS MY THING BECAUSE OF THE OLD BUILDINGS AND THEN POTENTIAL NEW BUILDS SOMEWHERE. WE NEED TO NOTE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A STUDIES OR CHARETTE OR SOMETHING TO JUST MAKE PEOPLE KNOW WHERE TO GO. NEW STAFF WAS COMES IN THE FUTURE KNOWS WHERE TO GO. I HOPE THAT'S STILL ON THE SHELF SOMEWHERE HERE BECAUSE IT'S AN IMPORTANT DOCUMENT. THAT'S BEEN DONE, BUT NEVER CODIFIED. BUT THAT'S WHERE ALL THE INFORMATION IS. AND SOME OF THE DREAMS OF THE STEWART AND, UH, THEY THINK THAT PEOPLE STILL FEEL THE SAME WAY AFTER 23 4 4003 AFTER 20 YEARS, I THINK THEY STILL FEEL THE SAME WAY. PUT IN THAT. SO UM OH, OTHER PEOPLE ARE GONNA GIVE COMMENTS UNLESS YOU NEED A MOTION. I LIKE TO HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. YES, SIR. I SWEAR YOU HAVE ANY NO. OKAY I HAVE A COUPLE JESSICA, THE. THE 18 INCH ABOVE ROAD PLAN FOR THE FEMA, UM AND, UH, ARE WE REQUIRING A STEM WALL? AH YES, THAT'S PART OF THE WE MAKE REFERENCE TO THE CHAPTER SIX CODE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A STEM WALL IN THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN INTO IT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITHOUT FILL THAT. THAT'S WHAT THE EFFECTIVELY EFFECTIVELY. MOST CONTRACTORS WOULD CHOOSE A SOMEWHAT BUT THEY COULD BE CREATIVE. YEAH THE ONLY REASON I LIKE THE STEM WALL BECAUSE OF THE DRAINAGE, ABSOLUTELY. AND, UM MHM AND EXCUSE ME, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS MAKING SURE AND OF COURSE, THAT MAY CHANGE IF FEMA CHANGES THE AND I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED TO SEE AT SOME POINT THEM TO RAISE THAT SO WELL, UM WHICH WILL MEAN WE IF THAT HAPPENS, AND WITH OUR SETBACKS AND RAMP AND GETTING A D A RAMPS, WE MAY NEED TO RE EVALUATE OUR SETBACKS SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE IF THEY RAISE IT MORE THAN AN INCH OR TWO, SO JUST TO GET THE RIGHT GRADE OF THE RAMPS, BUT BUT WE WILL WORRY ABOUT THAT. WHEN THAT COMES, UM AND, UH, SO ALSO, SO IT SAYS, GET THE STEM OFF. WE GOT MOST OF STUFF THAT'S BEEN COVERED PRETTY WELL. SO WE'VE REPLACED THE CIVIC SPACE WITH OPEN SPACE. TELL ME ABOUT LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. THE NEIGHBORHOOD OPEN SPACE, SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OPEN SPACE WHEN YOU FIRST PLANTS , IT'S GOING TO LOOK VERY SIMILAR. UM IT'S ONLY REQUIRE. IT'S NOT REQUIRED AS BEFORE. IT WAS REQUIRED BASED OFF OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT AND FOR A MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS. UM IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT ANY LONGER. BUT IT IS THERE AGAIN SO THAT IF THEY PUDU CAME IN, IT'S SOMETHING THERE THAT STAFF CAN POINT TO YOU IS ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT'S THAT ABOVE AND BEYOND ITS WE CAN ASK OF IT AND IN NEGOTIATING PROCESS, BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED RIGHT AND THEN THE 
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ONLY OTHER PLACE THAT IT WOULD BE REQUIRED, IS IT IF SOMEONE WERE TO STEP BACK FROM THE BUILDING, THERE IS A PROVISION THAT IF YOU FOR WHATEVER REASON, A PROJECT DOESN'T WANT TO CITE THEIR BUILDING IN THE CORNER OF THEIR SITE. THEY'RE NOT THAT SPACE WOULD BECOME NEIGHBORHOOD OPEN SPACE, BUT AGAIN, THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO CITE THEIR BUILDING IN THE CORNER. UM AND THAT'S A PROVISION SO THAT YOU KNOW, PARKING LOTS AND KIND OF DEAD SPACE IN A DEVELOPMENT DON'T END UP AT THE AT THE CORNER OF IMPORTANT INTERSECTIONS. OKAY, UM. AND JUST JUST A COMMENT ABOUT THE PARAPETS. AND SO WHAT? WE'RE NOT CHANGING OUR BUILDING HEIGHTS AT ALL, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE HEIGHT. THOSE STANDARDS FOR PARA FITS AND ALSO, UH AND DO WE ALLOW SLOPED ROOFS IN E. STEWART SO THEY CAN DO THAT SO THEY CAN DO THE SLOPED ROOF OR ONLY THE FLAT ROOF WITH PARAPETS, SO THEY'RE ALLOWED. WELL, THAT WOULD BE A COULD DO US A SLOPED PARAPET. I BELIEVE HIS LITTLE MIGHT DO SOMETHING WE DO IF WE DO LIKE A NORMAL ROOF. UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH I BELIEVE IT'S 45 FT TO THE EAVES EXACTLY UP TO. I THINK IT'S 15 FT. WITH THE ROOT AT THE TOP OF THE ROOF. GET THE RIGHT THEY GET THE RIGHT THE RIGHT SLOPE. UM BUT SO, BUT NONE OF THAT HAS CHANGED. WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THAT. THOSE ARE THE HEIGHTS THAT ARE ABOUT NOW MEANS OF MEASURING ARE THE SAME . RIGHT. SO THE HEIGHTS ARE CONSISTENT FOR THE MOST PART AGAIN. WE ADDED THAT PROVISION FOR, UM, SOME MORE SPECIFICITY ON HOW YOU CAN GET TO THE 45 FT HEIGHT. ANY STEWART, UM RATHER THAN JUST A CONDITIONAL USE, UM , BUT THE 15. IF YOU'RE PITCHED ROOF, A SLOPED ROOF. IT'S 15 FT. ABOVE THE ABOVE THE IV AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THERE SO THAT YOU HAVE UM, YOU KNOW GOOD ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AT THE TOP OF THEIR BUILDING UP THE SHAFTS AND AIR CONDITIONING EQUIPMENT IF THEY WERE TALKING AND THE 45 IS MEASURED FROM THE FINISHED FOUR LEVEL CORRECT MEASURED FROM IF IT'S A FLAT ROOF, IT'S MEASURED FROM THE FLAT ROOF PORTION OR UNDER THE EAVE TALKING ABOUT FROM THE BOTTOM OR THE BOTTOM WHERE IT STARTS WHERE IT STARTS. THAT WOULD THAT WOULD START WHERE YOUR LOWEST POSSIBLE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION. SO 18? YES, EXACTLY. THERE'S ALSO FIGURES IN THE CODE THAT SHOW IT PARDON, MIKE? FIGURES IN THE CODE THAT SHOULD THERE THERE ARE SPECIFIC PICTURES AND FIGURES IN THE DRAFT CODE THAT SHOW EXACTLY HOW TO MEASURE THE 45 FT. THE ELEVATION THE PITCH OF THE ROOF , THE IV AND EVERYTHING THAT RIGHT HERE. I THINK IT'S ON UH, SECTION. I GOT IT RIGHT HERE. SECTION C BUILDING HEIGHT UNDER 2 24 2.407. OKAY WELL, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. AND SINCE EVERYBODY'S COMMISSIONER, RICHARD, YOU HAVE ANYTHING OKAY ? CAN WE OKAY. SO FIRST BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, WE NEED TO READ THE, UH, THE TITLE, YOU KNOW? WOULD YOU READ THE TITLE FOR ORDINANCE NUMBER TWO POINT 99-2020 TO 3. SO WE HAVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 99-2023 AN ORDINANCE THAT THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY'S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO ASSIGN EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING AND MAKE CHANGES FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE FUTURE. LAND USE MAP, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. DAVID, YOU WANT TO PUT ANYTHING THE EVIDENCE IN THIS NO , NO, THE OTHER ONE. OKAY SO DO WE HAVE TO THE REGION OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER? 24 99. 24 99. OKAY I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE SAME WE HAVE A SECOND OKAY, WE GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK IS SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLLINS TO HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION. WE GOT ONE. MR MCCHRYSTAL WELCOME. SHE'S CLEARING YOU SOME SPACE. I THINK I GOT MY QUESTION ANSWERED LATER ON THE PRESENTATION, BUT WHEN I HEAR PERMISSIBLE VERSUS IMPERMEABLE FOR SERVICES AND LANGUAGE BEING CHANGED. IT'S ALWAYS MY RADAR ALWAYS GOES UP. BUT I HOPE I HEARD THAT. DOUBLE SURFACE REGULATIONS. ARE THE END ALL BE ALL FOR WHATEVER ELSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND IT HAS TO BE THAT WAY, ALTHOUGH WE LIVE ON SUGAR SAND HE'S QUOTE 50 YEAR STORM SEEMS TO BE HAPPENING EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS. AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ON SUGAR SAND WHEN YOU GET. 78 INCHES AND SIX 
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HOURS. WHICH I'VE SEEN FOUR OR FIVE TIMES IN THE LAST 10 YEARS. EVEN EVEN WE'RE VULNERABLE AND ANYONE DOWN AND IF YOU CHANGE ANYTHING, SOMEWHERE IN THIS CITY , SOMEONE DOWNSTREAM IS AFFECTED. OKAY. ALSO I KNOW WE'RE TALKING TO SIERRA AND EAST STEWART VERSUS THE REST OF THE CITY. BUT DID I JUST HEAR THAT? UM AS FAR AS THE GRANNY FLATS OR THE ACCELERATED 20 DWELLING UNITS. THAT. THESE NEW REGULATIONS WILL ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. THAT DO NOT NECESSARILY ARE NOT NECESSARILY BEING USED BY RELATIVES. AND THEN THE REST OF THE CITY WILL STILL HAVE THAT RULE WHERE THEY HAVE TO BE USED BY RELATIVES. DID I HEAR THAT WRONG? BECAUSE IF YOU WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE IT REAL BENEFICIAL FOR PART OF THE CITY. AND NOT NOT AFFORD THE SAME. BILLET EASE FOR EVERYONE ELSE. THEN, UH, IT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO ME. BUT ANYWAYS, I HOPE I HOPE THAT PERMAL SURFACE. UH, ISSUE IS SOLID. AS FAR AS THE END ALL BE ALL AS FAR AS WHAT YOU CAN DO ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS. MR SMITH. AND JIMMY SMITH FOR THE SMITH FOR THE REVENUE. UH WANT TO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR COLLINS AGAIN, FOR YOU BROUGHT SOME GOOD THINGS JUST SO WE COULD SEE WHERE WE'RE AT AS THE COMMISSIONER BOY, CLARK AND NO WON'T APPRECIATE YOU SAYING ABOUT A HISTORIC COMMUNITY. FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER IT'S JUST ONE COMMUNITY THIS COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN AROUND. LONGER THAN ALL OF US. OKAY HE STUDENTS ARE VERY SPECIAL COMMUNITY AND THERE'S A LOT OF NEED AND GIVEN A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN ENHANCE THE CITY. 
          WHETHER A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THE BACKBONE OF THIS CITY HEALTH CAME FROM THEIR HANDS AND CRYSTAL OF THAT COMMUNITY. THEY'RE WORKING CLASS FROM YEARS, IT MIGHT NOT GOT THE BEST END OF THE STICK. THE PIECE OF CANDY. WHAT THAT IS A HISTORIC COMMUNITY AND WE CONTINUE TO WE HAVE A FAITH. WE BELIEVE WORD WERE GOD ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT TAKE CARE OF SICK, DEPORTED HUNDREDS AND KNEES AND THEN WE COULD CHANGE A WHOLE LOT OF FAITH AS WE COULD SHOOT OURSELVES AS BEING FAITHFUL LEVER. YOU CANNOT GET RID OF WHAT GOD PUT IN PLACE. AND THAT'S IT. SURE OUR HEART OF WHAT WE BELIEVE IN WHOEVER OUR CREATOR THERE WE ARE HAPPY. AND SO BECAUSE SOME MAY BE HERE UP HERE. BUT WHEN YOU LAND ON YOUR BACK, YOU LOOK FOR THE ONES THAT THAT MAYBE DON'T HAVE TO SERVE YOU AND HELP AND THAT'S WHERE THEY LOOK COME IN. AND I THINK COMMISSIONS FOR HAVING SOME LOVE IN YOUR HEART. AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GONNA SURVIVE IN THIS WORLD. CHANGE TO FIGHT FOR FREEDOM. AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL THE LOVE AND CARING FOR PEOPLE THAT MAY BE NOT BE AT YOU AT YOUR LEVEL, BUT YOU MAY BE NOT BE IDEAL LEVEL COME TWO TIMES. I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR THAT CONTINUE TO WORK HARD AND LESS COULD MAKE THIS SOME BETTER CITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? MR JOE COOPER. HOW ARE YOU TODAY? DON'T EVEN GOT TO GIVE YOUR NAME. I KNOW IT JUST ONE ONCE AGAIN. IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE CREATED THIS OVERLAY DISTRICT BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGE IS TO TRY TO REDEVELOP OR DEVELOP STEWART. I HAVE A TASTE. OKAY OKAY. STUDY RIGHT NOW THAT I'M DEALING WITH A CLIENT THAT'S ON EAST AVENUE. 
          THAT A LOT IS ABOUT 40 40 FT WIDE ABOUT 200 FT DEEP, LIKE NIXON RENTAL TRUCK GET CREATIVE TRYING TO BUILD AND DEVELOP ON THAT LINE. AND SO THIS OVER THE DIFFERENT THERE'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO TRY TO YOU KNOW, SHAPE THAT HOUSE IN A WAY THAT IT CAN FIT IT CAN FORM YEAH, OVERLY, IS IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO CREATE THE FLEXIBILITY TO SPUR DEVELOPMENT IN THE STORE. 
          OVERLAY DISTRICT IS PERFECT. OVERLAY WHEN IT COMES TO CODIFY AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S A STAR. AND CREATE AND CONTINUING THE FLEXIBILITY, NOT SUPERSEDING . WHAT'S EXISTING FOR THE CITY BUT CREATING AN OVERLAY TO CREATE FLEXIBILITY AND SPURRING DEVELOPMENT, SO THESE LANDOWNERS CAN KIND OF BUILD AND REBUILD AND REMODEL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING ON THIS TASK OF DOING THIS THROUGH THE RESIDENTS OF THE STORY, OKAY, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT MR MARTEL SHOWED UP A LITTLE LATE, BUT THE RIDE WITH JIMMY SMITH, BUT HE LEFT ME BEHIND WAS DRIVING A LITTLE FASTER. UM, OKAY, SO DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC HABIT? MARY, WHAT YOU CALL THE ROLL. UM I DON'T HAVE EMOTIONS MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK SECONDED BY 
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THE COMMISSIONER CATLIN'S OH, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. UM VICE MAYOR BRUNER YES, CLARK? YES 
          [3. EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD - LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT (RC): ORDINANCE No. 2507-2023; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING AND RESTATING THE CITY’S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE; MORE SPECIFICALLY AMENDING CHAPTER III SPECIAL ZONING CODES FOR THE “EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD”; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTING PROVISIONS; PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
RICH COLLINS? YES MCDONALD'S YES . OKAY SO NOW WE NEED TO GO TO THE EAST STEWART THAT MASSIVE MERCHANT PASSES EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT OR DID NUMBER 2507 DEATHS TO 0 TO 3? WOULD YOU READ THE TITLE? SURE UM, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA. AMENDING AND RESTATING THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. MORE SPECIFICALLY AMENDING CHAPTER THREE SPECIAL ZONING CODES FOR THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT IN PROVISIONS PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. OKAY DO WE HAVE A WE HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT WE NEED TO ENTER INTO THE RECORD? AND FOR THIS ONE? NO OKAY, SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION? WE ALREADY WENT THROUGH THIS RIGHT? YES EMOTIONAL PROOF. SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLLINS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. DO YOU HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? MAYOR MCDONALD YES, CLARK? YES COLLINS? YES, COMMISSIONER. RICH? YES, BRUNER. YES. ALRIGHT SO, JESSICA. NOW WE GET TO START ON THE CREEK OR THING. AND IF I READ, UH DO WE NEED MICHAEL? EVERYBODY IN FOR THE THERE'S STILL SWORN IN THE SAME MEETING, SO OKAY, GREAT. SO WE'RE SWORN AND IF WE COULD, I COULD ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO JUST HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS UNTIL JESSICA FINISHES HER. UH, HER HER PRESENTATION. 
          [4. THE CREEK DISTRICT - SMALL-SCALE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT (RC): (THIS IS A SINGLE READING ITEM) ORDINANCE No. 2502-2023; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE CITY’S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THEREBY CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND DESIGNATION FROM “COMMERCIAL” TO “DOWNTOWN” FOR 20.07 ACRES OF LAND AND “DOWNTOWN” TO “RECREATION” FOR .25 ACRES OF LAND AS DEPICTED IN EXHIBIT “A” ATTACHED; DECLARING THE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY’S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
THIS IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, AND FOR THE RECORD, I MIGHT AS WELL READ THE ORDINANCE INTO ADVANCE PRIOR TO THE PRESENTATION. UM IT'S ORDINANCE NUMBER 2502-20 TO 3 IN ORDER TO THE CITY COMMISSIONER, THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEREBY CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM COMMERCIAL TO DOWNTOWN FOR 20.7 ACRES OF LAND AND DOWNTOWN TO RECREATION FOR 0.25 ACRES OF LAND AS DEPICTED IN EXHIBIT A ATTACHED DECLARING THE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. OKAY JESSICA. THANK YOU, UM, JUST TO SEE MORE AND USE HEARING. YES THIS IS THE FIRST WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE LAND USE, UM, SAME PREAMBLE TO THIS AS FAR AS OUR INTENT. UM AREAS HIGHLIGHTED ARE THE ONES THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING A CHANGE FROM THE EXISTING UM UP AT THE TOP. YOU'LL RECOGNIZE KOALAS PARK THAT THEY WERE RECOMMENDING A CHANGE FROM DOWNTOWN TO RECREATION. THAT'S PRETTY SELF EXPLANATORY. I THINK IT'S A BELOVED PARK AND INTENDS WE INTENDED TO REMAIN THAT WAY. 
          UM THE SECOND AREA IS COMMERCIAL TODAY AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT IT BE BROUGHT INTO THE DOWNTOWN FUTURE LAND USE THAT WILL ENABLE US TO AH, PUT THE SIERRA. UM SPECIFIC. UM UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES ONTO THIS AREA FOR FRAME OF REFERENCE. THIS AREA IS REALLY HADN'T SEEN A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT. IT'S HOME TO SOME OF OUR INDUSTRIAL USES NEARBY. UM AND MORE WAREHOUSE TYPE SPACES NEAR. OUR DOWNTOWN. WE WANT TO PROTECT THAT. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO PROVIDE SOME SOME FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THOSE CODES. UM AND AGAIN, I JUST HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES HERE BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT, UM, VERY SIMILAR. BUT AGAIN, THE DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT ALLOWS FOR THAT MIX OF USES A LOT WITH A LOT MORE, UH, FLEXIBILITY. UM AND IT ALLOWS US TO ADDRESS IT WITH THE SPECIFIC COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA AGENCY. UM, SPECIAL DISTRICTS. UM THIS AGAIN REGULATING THE LANDSCAPING, THE COLORS, MATERIALS AND EXISTING THE HERITAGE AND STEWART, UM AND CONTINUE TO REGULATE THE SIZE AND ORIENTATION WITH, UM THE ARCHITECTURAL REGULATIONS OR AN OVERLAY. UM. THIS IS WHAT OUR PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAPS WOULD BE. UM THIS DOES RESULT IN LOOKING STRICTLY AT THE FUTURE LAND USE DIFFERENT AND THAT'S IT SHOULDN'T SAY DWELLING UNITS BREAK OR SHOULD JUST SAY DWELLING UNITS BUT A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE AND THE PROPOSED OF 294 UNITS. UM IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF UNITS. BUT REMEMBER, WE HAVE A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT COMES ON TOP OF THIS, AND THAT WILL FOR FURTHER RESTRICT THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS THAT COULD BE PERMITTED. UM AND THIS IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND OWNERSHIP, THE SIERRA AND THE COMMUNITY VISION, UM, ATTENDING THE CREEK DISTRICT. UM AGAIN. THE REMAINING RECOMMENDED ACTION IS TO IMPROVE THOSE OUTLINED FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES. AH, AM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE LAND USE? REMEMBER, THIS IS JUST LAND NEWS. OKAY. UH MIKE, DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO ENTER INTO THE I 
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DON'T UM. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. OKAY HEARING SO AS UH, LET'S SEE MORE POINTED OUT OF THE ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS FOR THE MAXIMUM INTENSITIES AND DENSITY AGAIN DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN YOU START ZONING ON TOP OF IT, BUT YOU DO ANALYSIS WAS DONE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ITEM IS THE CAPACITY SERVICE LETTERS, UM, FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, AS WELL AS UTILITIES AND I BELIEVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL YES, IS ALSO ATTACHED TO THAT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WHATEVER QUESTION THE LAST TIME WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE WATERFRONT. AND THAT WAS ALREADY COVERED. YES SO THAT ALL WE CAN. WE CAN TOUCH UPON THAT IN THE LDCS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THAT'S OKAY. JUST MAKE A MOTION FOR DON'T HAVE. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK OUGHT TO MOVE ITEMS TOWARDS, UM, ORDINANCE 25 2-20 TO 3 SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR BRUNER. DO YOU HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION AHEAD. SO ARE WE. WHEN I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 3 23. WORDS, TALKING ABOUT THE SUB DISTRICTS. 
          WITH CREEK. ARE WE CREATING THREE NEW SUB DISTRICTS OR THE CREEK STILL A SUBDISTRICT ON ITS OWN, AND THIS IS MORE JUST FOR PURPOSES OF SO THAT THAT'S IN THE LDCS. BUT, YES, IT'S CREATING THREE NEW ZONING DESIGNATIONS. UM BUT THOSE THREE ZONING, ARE THEY SO WE MOVED AWAY FROM USING THE TERM SUBDISTRICTS BECAUSE THAT'S IN THE ZONING LAND USE. YEAH, IT'S KIND OF IS IT IF THERE'S ONE, IT'S ONE LAND USE, RIGHT THE LAND USE LAND USE RIGHT WE WERE , BUT THAT'S ZONING. AND SO WE'LL SAVE THAT ZONING AND SOME DISTRICT CONVERSATION. THANK YOU . OKAY SO WE HAVE A WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. SAYING NONE MARRIAGE CALL THE ROLL. 
          COMMISSIONER RICH YES, COMMISSIONER CLARK? YES COLLINS BRUNER? YES. MCDONALD'S YES. I'M ACTUALLY SURPRISED THAT MORE PEOPLE HERE TODAY WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT I MEAN, LOOKING AROUND THE CITY MANAGER WHEN I SAT DOWN , IT'S GETTING PRETTY SPARSE IN HERE TONIGHT. YEAH, I THINK WE GOT MORE DEFINITELY MORE STAFF THAN WE HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL HERE . SO UM, OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE 
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GOING TO GO ONTO THE PRESENTATION FOR THE CREEK DISTRICT. THIS WILL BE THE PRESENTATION FOR THE ZONING DISTRICTS AND THE ZONING MAP AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS. UM AGAIN. UM YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD THIS, SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN. UM THE CREEK DISTRICT ZONING CODE IS GOING TO LIVE WITHIN THE SPECIAL ZONING CODES. THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE, UM SPECIAL ZONING CODES FOR THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREAS, SO THIS WOULD BE A BRAND NEW SECTION THAT'S BEING ADDED TO THE CODE. UM COMMISSIONER COLLINS TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE BEGINNING OF EXHIBIT A UM, WHEN WE ADDED THESE NEW DON'T RECOMMENDING THESE NEW ZONING DESIGNATIONS, INCLUDING E STEWART, UM PARTICULARLY FOR, UM , FOR THE CREEK DISTRICTING YOU BUT BECAUSE WE WERE MOVING TO A DIFFERENT ORDINANCE AND FOR THE PURPOSES OF TRACKING THE RECORD, I JUST WANT TO PUT THE TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE IN THE RECORD, SO IT'S EASIER TO FIND LATER, BOTH OF THEM. WELL I READ ORDINANCE TO 502, OKAY. ARE YOU DOING ONE THING, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO 501 2023, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, MENDING THE CITY'S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO ASSIGN THE CREEK DISTRICT ZONING AND MAKE CHANGES FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES, AS WELL AS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2498-20 TO 3. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING AND RESTATING THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. MORE SPECIFICALLY, AMENDING CHAPTER TWO ZONING DISTRICTS USES ALLOWED DENSITY INTENSITY. 
          CHAPTER THREE SPECIAL ZONING CODES FOR THE CREEK DISTRICT AND CHAPTER 12 DEFINITIONS PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTING CONFLICTING PROVISIONS PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES, AND I'M SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING YOU. I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU. UM SO, COMMISSIONER COLLEGE YOUR QUESTION REGARDING THE 3 23 THIS THIS MAY ADDRESS THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF EXHIBIT A IS NOT THE CREEK DISTRICT CODE. BUT SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS WITHIN THE CHAPTER TWO, WHICH IS WHERE THE MAIN MEAT OF THE CODE IS, AND SOME SECTIONS THAT ARE THE BEGINNING OF CHAPTER THREE, WHICH IS THE BEGINNING OF THE SPECIAL ZONING CODES. THAT REQUIRED SOME COORDINATION RIGHT 
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? SO, ADDING IN THOSE THREE NEWS THAT ZONING DISTRICTS, UM ADDING A FEW NEW DEFINITIONS FOR TERMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE WITHIN THE CODE, UM AND THEN UPDATING SOME OF THE EXHIBITS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FORMULA BUSINESS AREA THAT EXHIBIT WAS A LITTLE OUT OF DATE. SOME OF THE CR EXHIBITS WERE OUT OF DATE. SO THAT'S PART OF THIS UPDATE PROCESS THAT WE INCLUDED IN THIS THIS SECTION OF THE LDCS. UM. TO GO THROUGH THE COMMENTS. UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED AT THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE LP WAS REGARDING SHORELINE PROTECTION ZONE, SO WE'VE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE LANGUAGE THERE. UM AND THEN WE ALSO WANTED TO ADDRESS ANY, UM SPECIFIC B TWO USES THAT NEEDED TO BE CARRIED OVER INTO THE CREEK INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING 33 DISTRICTS TO BE ADDED FOR THE CREEK. ONE OF THEM IS THE CREEK CREEK, NORTH CREEK SOUTH AND THE CREEK INDUSTRIAL UM, SIMILAR COMMENTS ON THE CIVIC OPEN SPACE AND THOSE WERE ADDRESSED SIMILAR ELITE WITHIN THE CREEK DISTRICT AS THEY WERE IN EAST STEWART. 
          WHEN WE PRESENTED TO THE L P A. UM THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SHORELINE PROTECTION, PARTICULARLY WHEN THERE WAS, UM UH, AN EMERGENCY OR A CASE OF A WEATHER EVENT, MAKING SURE THAT THE CODE WOULD ALLOW FOR THE EMERGENCY PROVISIONS TO COME THROUGH AND AGAIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OPEN SPACE, WE REMOVED SOME LANGUAGE THAT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING BETWEEN IMPERVIOUS, IMPERVIOUS LAND WAS REDUNDANT. UM AGAIN, WE HAVE THE SIMILAR PROVISIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD CODE IN THE CREEK DISTRICT. UM, THIS IS THAT EXISTING ZONING MAPS, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE CREEK DISTRICT WAS IN THE URBAN CENTER. UM ZONING DISTRICT AND URBAN GENERAL. UM AND THEN THE NEW SECTION THAT'S BEING BROUGHT IN FROM THE HEAD. THE FUTURE LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL HAD B TWO, WHICH IS A BUSINESS GENERAL DISTRICT. UM THIS IS THE PROPOSED REGULATING PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THAT. PROPERTIES ALONG KINDRED AND JOHNSON WERE ALL BROUGHT INTO THE SAME DISTRICT. THESE AREAS OVER HERE THAT WE'RE B TWO. WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DISTINCT DISTRICT. THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE CREEK NORTH AND SOUTH AGAIN IN RECOGNIZING THIS SORT OF THE SPECIFIC USES THAT ARE THERE TODAY AND AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE LOT SIZES, HOW THOSE LOTS CAN BE IMPROVED AND REDEVELOPED OVER TIME AND BETTER MEET THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS. UM AND RECKON. GO OVER THAT A LITTLE LATER. WE ALSO HAVE A SMALL SECTION OF REQUIRED COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE ALONG COLORADO. THIS IS CONSISTENT, REALLY WITH WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY, SO IT'S MORE ABOUT PRESERVING THAT, UM, WALK ABILITY THAT WE HAVE IN COLORADO. AND THEN THE SHORELINE PROTECTION ZONE GOES ALL THE WAY WRONG. FRASURE CREEK THAT SHORELINE PROTECTION ZONE IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN C R. A S. IT'S ONLY A 10 FT ZONE, AND WE UPDATED THE LANGUAGE. UM THERE TOO WELL, WE'LL GET TO THEIR JUMPING AHEAD OF MYSELF. UM THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THE CREEK NORTH, UM, ARE LARGELY VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S THERE TODAY. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ADDED MORE FRONTAGE TYPES. UM THE EXISTING CODE TODAY REQUIRES , UM BALCONIES AND ARCADES IN MANY OF THOSE STRUCTURES AND OVER TIME WE'VE SEEN THAT THERE ARE SOME VARIANCES THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN IN THERE, SO A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS. NEED A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY ON HOW THEY CAN MEET THOSE STANDARDS. WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL, QUAINT PORCHES IN THAT AREA THAT, UM, ARE NOT. I THINK THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT ME. WE SEE THAT THERE ARE AN ASSET TO THAT STREET FRONTAGE. AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT KIND OF FLEXIBILITIES IN THE CREEK NORTH DISTRICT UM, SIMILARLY TO THE CREEK SOUTH. UM AND WE ALSO PUT IN SOME MORE SPECIFICITY ON HOW, UM YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THESE DISTINCTIONS IN HERE RIGHT HERE ALONG THE U. 
          S ONE. FOR EXAMPLE. RIGHT NOW THERE'S A 20. FT. STEPPED BACK ON U. S ONE THAT'S REQUIRED WITHIN THE CODE. WE'LL SEE LATER ON IN THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS . THERE'S MORE SPECIFICITY ON HOW THAT 20 FT THERE. 20 FT SETBACK SHOULD BE DEVELOPED SO THAT IT AGAIN PROMOTES BETTER CONNECTIVITY TO THE DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS THE ASSET FOR THOSE PROPERTIES. CREEK INDUSTRIAL. 
          THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. UM THE SETBACKS HERE WE TALKED ABOUT SMALL SITES AND HOW SETBACKS NEED TO BE THOUGHT OF REALLY CAREFULLY. UM THE CREEK INDUSTRIAL AREA WITH THE B TWO ZONING CATEGORY THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW. THOSE LOTS ARE REALLY PINNED INTO A CORNER WHERE THEY CAN'T REALLY REDEVELOP OR EVEN MAKE MINOR IMPROVEMENTS ON THOSE LOTS WITHOUT RUNNING INTO A LOT OF NONCONFORMITY. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE FRONT SETBACK IS A 30 FT. SENT FRONT SETBACK. I MEAN, THERE'S VERY FEW OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ANYWHERE NEAR 30 FT. FRONT SETBACK, SO WE'RE WE BUILT IN SOME SOME MORE CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE SIZES OF THOSE LOTS. UM, AND THEN AGAIN 
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DO THE PROCESS. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE PERMITTED USES AND MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE CARRYING OVER. UM AS MANY OF THOSE ACTIVE, UM INDUSTRIAL, YOU KNOW, AGAIN. THIS ISN'T REALLY AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, BUT IT HAS SOME OF THESE INDUSTRIAL JOBS PRODUCING BUSINESSES IN THERE, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE WERE RECOGNIZED. AND WE MADE SURE THAT THE HEALTH CLUBS, REPAIR SERVICES AND THE AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SERVICES WERE ACKNOWLEDGED IN THOSE PERMITTED, USES AND CARRIED FORWARD. UM I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT, ALTHOUGH IT HAS A DOWNTOWN FUTURE LAND USE, UM WE ARE RECOMMENDING A ZONING DISTRICT THAT HAS A DENSITY CAP OF 15 MILLION UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING ZONING. UM AND WE ALSO INTRODUCED A DIFFERENT FRONTAGE TYPES TO BE UTILIZED WITH THE CREEK INDUSTRIAL AREAS SO THAT THERE IS MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, MAKER SPACES AND WORKSPACES WITH THE GARAGE STOREFRONT. 
          WE'RE ALSO RECOMMENDING STANTON CHANGES TO THE EXISTING PARKING STANDARDS, PARTICULARLY FOR COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES SO THAT THEY HAVE AND EASIER TIME WITH ADAPTIVE REUSE. UM RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF THE STANDARDS ARE VERY TIED TO THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES IN THE NUMBER OF SEATS, WHICH MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO REUSE EXISTING STRUCTURES AND THE CHANGE OF USE PROCESS FOR BUSINESSES. AN EXAMPLE OF THIS IS THE ROASTED RECORD. UM THEY WOULD HAVE TO. I THINK I TOOK THEM WHEN I SLIMMED DOWN THE SLIDE. I TOOK IT OUT. BUT IF THEY WERE FOLLOWING BASED CODE FOR A RESTAURANT OR A CAFE, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE 12 PARKING SPACES WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE THE BUILDING YOU AND YOU LAY OUT 12 PARKING SPACES ON THAT SITE. UM SO THIS IS A LOOK AT MAKING THE CODE REFLECT MAINTAINING OUR EXISTING STRUCTURES WHERE POSSIBLE AND SUPPORTING BUSINESSES. UM. THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS ALSO INTRODUCED. IT SETS UP A HIERARCHY BETWEEN AND A STREET AND A B STREET. UM, A STREETS BEING THE ONES THAT REQUIRE, UM , THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AND BE STREETS. ALTHOUGH VERY IMPORTANT , UM DOT HELD TO THE SAME KIND OF STANDARD IF A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT WERE TO COME IN, AND THEY WANTED TO BUILD STRUCTURED PARKING, FOR EXAMPLE. THEY WOULD NEED TO PUT THOSE ENTRANCES ALONG A B STREET. NOT IN A STREET, RIGHT? SO THAT, UM AGAIN THESE THESE REALLY IMPORTANT CONNECTIONS, THESE MAIN THOROUGHFARES ARE HELD TO THE HIGHEST OF STANDARDS. WE ALSO IDENTIFY HOW THE EAST COAST GREENWAY RUNS THROUGH THE CREEK DISTRICT, WHICH IS AN ASSET. UM, SOME OF THE EXISTING PEDESTRIAN PERHAPS, AND BRIDGES, UM, CANDIDATES FOR IMPROVED ALLEYS. 
          UM AND AGAIN, THE MENTIONED ALREADY THE COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE. WITH THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY WE TRIED TO INCORPORATE LOW IMPACT INFRASTRUCTURE AND REFERENCES TO HOW DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS CAN INCORPORATE THAT THROUGH, UM, OPEN SPACE PARKING LOTS AND LANDSCAPE STANDARDS. THE SHORELINE PROTECTION ZONE. UM THIS ACTUALLY THIS LANGUAGE I THINK WE ACTUALLY INCLUDED. SO THIS IS THE WHAT WE BROUGHT BEFORE THE L P. A UM, AND AGAIN , IT'S UM IT TIGHTENED UP SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT EXISTED BEFORE WHICH ALLOWED FOR PARKING WITHIN THE SHORELINE PROTECTION ZONE. UM THIS ALLOWS FOR PUBLIC ACCESS INTO THE SHORELINE PROTECTION ZONE. WHAT DOES NOT PROHIBIT THE BULKHEADS AND SEAWALLS. SO WE'VE UPDATED THE LANGUAGE. UM SO THAT IT RECOGNIZES THE TWO BULKHEADS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED ON THE CREEK DISTRICT ALREADY, SO THOSE WOULD BE, UM, PERMITTED AS THEY EXIST, AND THEN WE ALSO ADDED ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO PROVIDE FOR THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY. UM UM. MODIFICATION AND I CAN FIND THAT LANGUAGE. IT'S ON PAGE 13 OF THE CODE OR PAGE 365 OF THE, UM OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE APPLE. NOT WORSE FOR AGENDA PACKAGE. THERE WE GO. UM AND SAYS IN THE CASE OF A NATURAL DESIRE, NATURAL HAZARD EVENT MEASURES TO PRESERVE THE STRUCTURE MAYBE USED A PERMANENT STRUCTURE SHALL BE PERMITTED THROUGH SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. SO AGAIN, THERE'S AN EXISTING PROCESS FOR HOW THAT'S DONE IF THERE IS A HURRICANE OR A LARGE RAIN EVENT, UM AND WE JUST MAKE REFERENCE TO THAT PROCESS THROUGH THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. AGAIN NO NEIGHBORHOOD OPEN SPACE. WE TOOK OUT THE CIVIC OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT REPLACED IT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OPEN SPACE, AND THIS IS TREATED SIMILARLY TO THE EASTWARD CODE. THAT'S JUST EXPLAINS THAT HE CAN. SO THAT WAS PRETTY BRIEF. UM UM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AGAIN? I THINK A LOT OF THE BIG OVERARCHING QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD IN THE EASTERN LDCS ARE SIMILAR HERE. SO HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 
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PLEASE LET ME KNOW. ANY QUESTIONS? RICH. NO. COMMISSIONER COLLINS. YES SO WE'RE WHERE I WAS GOING EARLIER WITH WE WERE TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ZONING IS WITH CREATING THREE DIFFERENT OR THE THREE NEW SUB DISTRICTS. I'M SURE YOU KIND OF KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, THE 70% AND THEN THE 70% RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL MAXIMUMS WITHIN SUB DISTRICTS. SO COUNTING. THE MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE IS. THE FOOTNOTE ON THAT IS BASED ON THE SUBDISTRICT. SO LET'S SAY LIKE INDUSTRIAL, FOR INSTANCE, WHERE YOU HAVE PROBABLY 100% COMMERCIAL. IF YOU WERE TO BASE THE WHAT'S ABLE TO BE APPROVED IN THERE. YOU COULDN'T PUT MORE COMMERCIAL IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON THAT SUB DISTRICT VERSUS THE CREEK AS BEING THE SUBDISTRICT AT LARGE, SO MY CAUTION WOULD BE NOT. SUBDISTRICT NG OUT EACH ONE BUT INCORPORATING CREEK AS A WHOLE. OR WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR THE WAY WE DO THAT. BECAUSE WE TECHNICALLY SHOULD NOT BE APPROVING ANYTHING BUT RESIDENTIAL THERE UNTIL IT HITS THAT 30% MARK. AT LEAST. SO THOSE THOSE PERCENTAGES I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE PERCENTAGES BY FUTURE LAND USES BECAUSE SO THESE ARE STONING SUBDISTRICTS SO YOU WOULD GO BACK TO THE DOWNTOWN, UM, FUTURE LAND USE FOR THOSE PERCENTAGES. LAND USE SAYS THAT IT'S BASED UPON SUB DISTRICTS, AND IT USES URBAN GENERAL URBAN WATERFRONT AND URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT MY INTERPRETERS QUESTION TO BE. WHAT IS THIS IS THIS IS THE CREEK ONE SUBDISTRICT. OR IS THE CREEK THREE SUB DRESSES? I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A POLICY DECISION, THE BOARD WOULD REALLY NEED TO DECIDE GOOD QUESTION AND WE RESOLVE IT. THREE SUBDISTRICTS INDIVIDUALLY, SO SOME OF THE REASONS WHY WE APPROACHED THE THREE DIFFERENT SUB DISTRICTS THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PERMITTED USES. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT SETBACKS. UM THE CREEK INDUSTRIAL. I TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT ON THOSE. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE AGAIN. IN CONTEXT TO THEIR SMALLER UNIT SIZE PLANTED LOTS. THE SOUTH HAS A BIGGER PLANTED LOTS. SO THOSE HAVE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. UM SETBACKS RECOMMENDED ME MY POINT, THOUGH . YEAH, I DO. I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT NOW DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF ADDING MORE COMMERCIAL TO LIKE AN AREA OF 100% COMMERCIAL THRESHOLD OF AT LEAST 9% BEFORE WE COULD ADD ONE MORE RIGHT, SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE COULD COME BACK WITH SOME LANGUAGE CLARIFYING. WHAT DOES PERCENT WITH HER? YEAH, FOR CLARITY IF IT IF THE BOARD. SEES IT FIT THAT THE POLICY AND I THINK WE'RE ALL TALKING IN THE SAME CONSENSUS THAT THE CREEK IS A WHOLE COULD BE THAT PARTICULAR SUBDISTRICT TO DETERMINE THAT FOOTNOTE IN THE FUTURE LAND USE THAT TO PROVIDE THAT BALANCE, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO MEET THOSE NUMBERS. WE CAN. WE CAN CLARIFY THAT PRETTY EASILY BY JUST ADDING TO THAT FOOTNOTE. I THINK WE DO CLARIFY THAT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHERE WE DID SAY THAT THE URBAN DISTRICT INCLUDES CREEK, NORTH CREEK, SOUTH AND INDUSTRIAL, BUT WE DO NEED TO GO BACK AND AMEND THE PLAN TO REFLECT THE SAME LANGUAGE. UM I MEAN, ONE OF THE ISSUES, TOO, IS THAT YOU KNOW, IN A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS SUCH AS THIS, YOU KNOW, TAKING A LOOK EACH AT EACH INDIVIDUAL PARCEL I MEAN, THIS IS A SMALL ENOUGH DISTRICT THAT IT CAN REALLY, YOU KNOW, MOVE IS A MIXED USE IN RESPONSE TO THE MARKET, IN SOME SENSE, THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING A FORM BASED CODE IS YOU GET THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDINGS, RIGHT? YOU GET THE CONNECTIVITY, RIGHT? AND YOU CAN . IT CAN BE RESIDENTIAL ONE DAY AND THEN IT CAN TRANSITION INTO COMMERCIAL THE NEXT DAY, OR VICE VERSA. YOU KNOW, IT'S THE IMPACTS ARE GOING TO BE SIMILAR BECAUSE YOU'VE GOTTEN THE FORM OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT. YOU KNOW THE SIDEWALKS, THE SHADE TREES. THE HEIGHTS. YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. SHALL BE INTERPRETED ON AN URBAN SUBDISTRICT BASIS WITHIN THE C R. A INCLUDING URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, URBAN GENERAL URBAN CENTER, URBAN WATERFRONT AND URBAN HIGHWAY IS EXAMPLES. SO IF WE ADD TO THE L D R LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THE CREEK DISTRICT. FUTURE LAND USE SHALL BE TREATED. AS AN ENTIRE SUBDISTRICT. FOR COMPLIANCE WITH UM. LET ME JUST FIND THOSE OBJECTIVE. ONE A SEVEN. THEN WE WERE IN COMPLIANCE. EITHER WAY, IT'S JUST THAT PROVIDES THE CLARITY OF WHAT THE INTENT IS THAT WAY YOU DON'T GET IN A WAY 
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OF THE MARKET. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. WE HAVE CONSENSUS FROM EVERYBODY ON THAT. SO JUST SO JESSICA AND DANA CAN MAKE THE CHANGES FOR SECOND READING. YES. OKAY, YES. PAGE THREE. 29 THE LIMITING OF. LET ME PULL IT UP ON YOU. THE LIMITING TO 1500 SQUARE FEET AND 35 FT ACROSS THE FRONT. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS MORE RELEVANT TO DOWNTOWN DOWNTOWN STUART. SO THESE, YOU KNOW, GAFFORD AND THESE RESTAURANTS DOWNTOWN. UM WHY WHY PROJECT THAT OUT INTO YOUR THIS ISN'T I'M SORRY. THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE FORMULA BUSINESSES. 3 29. LITERALLY THE SAME PAGE. YEP SO ON PAGE 3 29 OF OUR AGENDA PACKET. YEAH. AREA LITTLE FORMULA BUSINESSES RIGHT QUESTIONS ARE SORT OF A B. AND EVEN SEE I JUST HAD QUESTIONS AROUND. WHY 1500 SQUARE FEET. 
          MAX GROSS FLOOR AREA, RIGHT LIMITATION, SO THIS IS AN EXISTING STANDARD THAT WE WERE NOT, UM, LOOKING TO CHANGE AS PART OF THIS THIS CODE EFFORT, BUT WHAT WE DID WANT TO DO SO IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 3 27 CURRENTLY CODIFIED. THIS IS CURRENTLY CODIFIED LANGUAGE, RIGHT? AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE ITEM ON PAGE 3 28 PARTICULAR AREA FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA. THERE'S A MAP THERE ON PAGE 3 28 OF THE PACK AGENDA PACKAGE. THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT ENCAPSULATES THE COLORADO AVENUE AND THE UP TO MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD AS THE FORMULA BUSINESS DISTRICT AREA. UM WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR ZONING DESIGNATIONS SINCE WE'VE SLICED THIS ZONING DESIGNATION VERY CAREFULLY AND ALONG PARCEL LINES AND PROPERTY LINES SO THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT ZONING DESIGNATIONS SO WE DON'T HAVE. BUT HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH LIKE THE BANKS? I THINK OF WELLS OR I KNOW THERE'S LIKE MONKEYS AND KILL WINS. THEY'RE SMALLER, BUT WELLS IS A JANE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE FORMULA BUSINESSES SOME EXTENT WHAT IS THE TRUE DEFINITION OF THIS? HOW DOES THIS APPLY TO THE CITY CODE IS, UH, A ESSENTIALLY A, UM. WE CALL IT CHANGE BUT A FORMULA BUSINESS. WE DEFINED IT AS ONE THAT'S HAVING MORE THAN FIVE. 
          UH, BRANCHES OR OR UM, BUSINESSES SERVICE. WELLS FARGO COULD BE CONSIDERED WELL FORMULA MONKEYS. ACTUALLY MONKEYS IS A FORMULA ACTUALLY DIDN'T APPROVAL ON MONKEYS AND WE'VE DONE QUESTION IS, HE POINTED OUT, HE SAID MONKEYS AT 1500 SQUARE FEET IS FINE, BUT THE CODE THAT YOU GUYS ARE ADOPTING RIGHT NOW CAPS ANY ADDITIONAL FORMULA BUSINESSES AT 1500 FT. AND ALTHOUGH WE DON'T HAVE A WELLS FARGO IN DOWNTOWN STUART, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE MAP UP IN FRONT OF ME, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE INCLUDE CREEK SOUTH. WHERE FELT FARGO, SO EVERYTHING ABOVE THE RED LINE, RIGHT? SO THIS RIGHT HERE. I'M SORRY. THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE SECTION THAT'S WITHIN OUR CREEK DISTRICT, RIGHT? ALREADY SO THIS IS THE EXISTING MAP IDENTIFYING THE FORMULA BUSINESS AREA AND IF YOU GO BACK A PAGE WELL AGAIN. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE THIS POLICY. WE WERE JUST LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOUNDARIES OF IT ALIGNED WITH ONE OF OUR SUB DISTRICTS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE YOU KNOW, I WAS ALWAYS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT OUR FORMULA WAS JUST DOWNTOWN THOUGHT. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER EVER ADDRESSED IN PERMITTING, IF IT IS, IF IT IS THAT WHOLE AREA . UM THEN WE PROBABLY NEED TO DEFINE HOW YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT IT NOW BECAUSE WE NEED TO EDIT IT ANYWAY, BECAUSE IT SAYS NO FORMULA BUSINESSES IN ANY OF THOSE AREAS WHICH HARDWARE IS A FORMULA BUSINESS. PETERS I GUESS IS NOT SO WE DON'T GO THAT FAR. 
          SO THIS IS JUST IT'S CALLED THE CREEK NORTH. SO IF YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT THEM SIDE BY SIDE WHAT WHAT IS INCLUDED RIGHT NOW IS A STRAIGHT LINE AND THEN A STRAIGHT LINE HERE, SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS WHAT'S INCLUDED. FOR THE MAP TODAY. NOW, IF THERE'S YOU KNOW, THE HOTEL RIGHT? THERE'S A HOTEL THAT'S LOOKING TO GO OVER THERE. SO TODAY AND THEN, WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION, THEY WOULD IF THEY FALL UNDER THAT DEFINITION OF A FORMULA BUSINESS. IT WOULD APPLY TO THEM. YES. BUT WE CAN APPROVE A FORMULA BUSINESS. BUT NOT BUT IT'S BUT THE CODE LIMITED TO 1500 SQUARE FEET AND 30 FT WIDE. 35 FT WIDE, I THINK, YEAH, I 
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DON'T KNOW IF THAT SO TWO POINT OH, 6.12. I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW. UM BECAUSE I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS JUST DOWN. IT WAS DOWNTOWN AND FORMULA BUSINESS MAY BE LOCATED IN THE AREA WITHIN THE FOLLOWING BOUNDARIES ONLY BY MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE COMMENCING AT THE NORTH. MOST POINT OF LOT 10 OF DAN FOREST EDITION AND GOES TO THE WHOLE DESCRIPTION. AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT IT IT'S THE MAP THAT JESSICA SEEMS TO BE PRESIDING. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WHERE THAT CAME FROM WOW, FORMULA. UM DISTRICT WHEN YOU WERE ON THE COMMISSION DID BUT WHEN I BROUGHT IT IN, I WAS I DIDN'T DO THE UH, DEFINITIONS OF THE BORDERS OF IT. UM IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF FORMULA BUSINESSES ON WEST OCEAN BOULEVARD. OR UM, EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD. I THINK THAT THE UH, SUNTRUST BANK AND WELLS FARGO BANK. UM ACTUALLY, IT DOESN'T GO QUITE TO DETROIT, BUT THE SUN TRUST WOULD HAVE BEEN, BUT IT'S GONE NOW. UM AND THE QUESTION REALLY IS THE 1500 FT QUESTION. 1500 FT, UH, TO ME. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE FOOT SIZES. YOU DON'T NEED TO RESTRICT IT TO 1500 FT BECAUSE YOU'RE PROHIBITING FORMULA BUSINESS WITHOUT COMMISSION ACTION ANYWAY, THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE DISCRETION TO DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES. GOT IT. I THINK THAT WE COULD HAVE REMOVED THE 1500 FT. MAYBE WE NEED TO GO BACK AND DO THAT TO THAT. AND ALSO ACTION . WELL, EXCEPT FOR WE'RE ADDRESSING DOING THAT ADDRESSING SECTION CHAPTER TWO HERE WE COULD LITERALLY BRING IT BACK BEFORE SECOND READING AND TAKE WE COULD CHANGE THE 1500 ANY NUMBER YOU WANT, AND WE COULD ALSO CHANGE THE 35 FT AND WITH ANYONE YOU WANT, BUT THE INTENTION AT THE TIME WAS BECAUSE DOWNTOWN STUART DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE A HISTORY OF IT WAS THAT IN WINTER PARK, FLORIDA THE GAP HAD RENTED A BIG SECTION OF SPACE AN ENTIRE BLOCK AND THEN THE MALL IN ORLANDO WAS CRUSHING THE GAP IN WINTER PARK. AND SO THE GAP SAID, WE DO BETTER IN THE MALL, SO THEY JUST CLOSED THE GAP. AND THEN THEY LEFT IT CLOSED. AND COULD YOU PAYING THE RENT? FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND WINTER PARKS PARK AVENUE HAD AN ENTIRE BLOCK. WHERE THERE WAS NO RETAIL STORES. NO NOTHING BECAUSE THE GAP COULD AFFORD TO PAY THE NATIONAL RENT AND NOT CARE AND JUST LEFT IT EMPTY SO WHEN IT WAS DRAFTED BY STAFF, THEY SAID, LOOK, IF WE'RE GONNA LET THESE FORMULA BUSINESSES COMING TO DOWNTOWN STUART LET'S HAVE HIM ACQUAINT AND SMALL AND ETCETERA, ETCETERA. THAT'S WHERE THE 35 FT CAME FROM. BUT WE MAINTAIN THAT. BUT THROUGHOUT THAT BEING STILL HAVE IT. IT'S JUST THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER CHECKED LIKE HIS MONKEYS. 35 FT. 
          ARE THEY IN NONCOMPLIANT? YOU KNOW? SHOULD WE GO CLOSE THEM DOWN TOMORROW COULD ENFORCE THEM RIGHT AWAY. MOVEMENT OVER NOW LOCATION AND THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. THAT'S RIGHT. THEY SHOULD HAVE COME RIGHT. AND WHEN YOU GO FISH MOVED, WE HAD TO APPROVE BURNING LOCATION. AND I I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN. MONKEYS WAS APPROVED AS A FORMULA RETAIL. BUT IT DID. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT WAS THAT WE MEASURED IT INTO 1500 SQUARE FEET. OR LIMITED TO 35 FT OF FRONTAGE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IT IS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A PROBLEM EITHER. MAYBE WE CAN HAVE STAFF COME BACK AND I THINK EVERYBODY WILL LOOK AT THAT. EVERYBODY AGREE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS DIGGING AND ALSO TO ON C. I WAS CURIOUS WITH CORPORATE ADVERTISING. SHALL NOT BE USED, WHICH IS VISIBLE FROM THE EXTERIOR. SO LIKE I MONKEYS HAS A SIGN. YOU KNOW OUTSIDE, OR ARE WE SAYING THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE A VISIBLE SIGN BECAUSE THEN THE FOLLOWING SECTION SHOW THE SORT OF COLORS AND WHAT YOU WOULD USE ON AN EXTERIOR SCIENCE WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BY I'M MODIFYING BY SAYING THAT WELL, SO AGAIN, THIS IS ALREADY CODIFIED. I THINK THAT WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY IS YOU DON'T WANT LIKE WINDOW SIGNAGE COMING THROUGH, LIKE TOO MUCH SO THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GOING TO STARBUCKS WITH ALL THE NEON SIGNS AND GOBS OF STUFF. NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE A SIGNED, BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE EVERY THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD. YEP YEAH, I THOUGHT THIS WAS NEW. SO FORGIVE ME. I DIDN'T KNOW IT'S GOOD. I LIKE I SAID, WE WERE JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TWO MAPS WERE CONSISTENT. AH, UM AND IF BOARD WANTS TO DIRECT US TO I THINK IT'S A SEPARATE ITEM , MAYBE A LITTLE MORE DETAILS. I THINK THAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO COME BACK WITH AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS CLARIFIED BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANT TO RESTRICT THE BUSINESS FROM BILL TO COME IN, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO KEEP THE IDEA OF THE FORMULA BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY AS WE GET AWAY FROM DOWNTOWN, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LARGER BUSINESSES, LARGER SPACES. AND IF, AND I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IT WAS TRYING TO PROTECT FROM WHAT MY CONVERSATIONS WITH MR MARTEL HAD BEEN TO, IT WAS REALLY TO PROTECT THE DOWNTOWN FROM THAT SITUATION, 100% AND I LOVE THAT 
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WE'RE UNIQUE AND CHARMING, AND THAT THERE'S A SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOT ALL CHANGED. IT'S WHAT MAKES US REALLY SPECIAL. WITH, UM JUST ANOTHER QUESTION WITH NONCONFORMING USE THAT MAY BE CREATED WITH THIS. WE HAVE SIMILAR TO THE QUESTION I ASKED FOR E. STEWART. WE HAVE MECHANISM TIMELINE TO BRING THOSE INTO COMPLIANCE OR SUNSET OR NO. WHAT? SO UM, SIMILAR CONVERSATION. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A NEW DEVELOPMENT TO MEET THE STANDARDS, RIGHT, IT'S MORE COMPLICATED WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXISTING STRUCTURES. HOW DO YOU ACCOMMODATE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND BRING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE? SO UM, STEWART, WE HAVE THE C R A. THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BUILDING UP THE SIDEWALKS, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUSINESSES IN CREEK, RIGHT, YOU KNOW, COMPLETE STREETS. HOW DOES THAT WORK AGAIN? THE CREEK HAS THE ADVANTAGE THAT ACTUALLY A LOT OF IT'S BEEN BUILT OUT. UM THE YOU KNOW THE, UM IMPROVEMENTS OF A CARTON COLORADO HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED. THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS ON SIXTH AND DELAWARE. UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE MAP OF ANYMORE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED. KINDRED JOHNSON, THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN IMPROVED WITH BIKE LANES AND ON STREET PARKING, THEY ALREADY HAVE THE EIGHT FT SIDEWALKS. UM SO AGAIN AND WHAT YOU SEE, ACTUALLY, IN A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS ON, UM ON THE COLORADO, FOR EXAMPLE ONE. IT'S A IT'S A LOPSIDED SECTION. SO ONE SIDE HAS, UM, NEARLY THE 10 FT SIDEWALK. THE OTHER SIDE IS AN EIGHT FT SIDEWALK, BUT ON THE VAST MAJORITY OF PROPERTIES WHERE THERE HAS BEEN A DEVELOPMENT IN THE LAST YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG BUT MANY OF THEM LIKE THE PHARMACY. UM MOST OF THE OTHER. UM I KNOW THE PHARMACY IS ONE OF THEM THAT THE TWO RETAILER THERE'S A SALON IN PHOTOGRAPHY STUDIO. THEY ALREADY STEPPED BACK A LITTLE BIT AND EXTEND THAT SIDEWALK SO THAT IT'S A FULL 10 FT. IN FACT, IT'S 12 AND 17 IN FRONT OF THOSE TWO PROPERTIES. UM SO THIS CODE, THEN SAYS, IF ONE OF THOSE LOTS ALONG COLORADO REDEVELOPED, AND IT BECOMES A NEW STRUCTURE, OR, UM, IF SOMETHING NEW COMES ON, YOU NEED TO PROVIDE THAT MINIMUM 10 FT. SIDEWALK AND SO AGAIN, THAT JUST MEANS PUSHING BACK YOUR BUILDING ON, YOU KNOW, ON A LOT THAT MAYBE 100 FT. DEEP TWO FT SO THAT YOU HAVE A 10 FT SIDEWALK THRESHOLD. WELL IF IT'S A NEW BUILDING, IF IT'S AN EXISTING IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN EXISTING BUILDING, UM LET'S SAY THE PHARMACY WANTS TO DO. IN ADDITION OR SOME, YOU KNOW, JUST THINKING ABOUT LOUD, UM, THAT ADDITION WOULD NEED TO RESPECT THAT MINIMUM SIDEWALK DEPTH, FOR EXAMPLE. BUT THE EXISTING BUILDING ISN'T DEVELOPMENT STAFF IS NOT GOING TO EXPECT THAT EXISTING BUILDING TO BE PICKED UP AND MOVED, BUT THE NEW EDITION NEEDS TO CONFORM WITH THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, RIGHT. UM THERE ARE A FEW PIECES THAT WERE CALLED OUT AS BEING SPECIFIC. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, INCREMENTAL COMPLIANCE OF THIS CODE, THIS IS ON PAGE 3 53 WITH THE CHANGE OF USE. SO THIS IS GETTING INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUSINESSES AND THE HERE, UM, WOULD NEED TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW SIGNAGE STANDARDS. SO THERE'S EXISTING SIGNAGE STANDARDS AND WE BUILT UPON THOSE EXISTING STANDARD SIGNAGE STANDARDS, WITH SOME UM PHOTOS AND ILLUSTRATIONS. UM THEY WOULD NEED TO BRING THOSE SIGNAGE PIECES INTO COMPLIANCE IF THEY WEREN'T, UM WITH A CHANGE OF USE. UM WE ALSO CALLED OUT LANDSCAPE STANDARDS. UM, SIGN SANDERS AND MINIMUM SIDEWALK WITH SO AGAIN, THE LANDSCAPE STANDARD THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY IS USUALLY ABOUT ABOUT A SHADE TREE. SO AGAIN IF YOU'RE REDEVELOPING OR DOING IN ADDITION OR ADDING ONTO THAT STRUCTURE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO EITHER PLANT A TREE IN THE BALL ABOUT IF THERE'S NO. THERE'S NO, UM, TREE IN THERE ALREADY. I MEAN, THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CASE IN COLORADO, BUT THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE IN DELAWARE. SIX, FOR EXAMPLE. UM OR REQUIRED TO BRING YOUR PARKING LOT UP TO THE LANDSCAPE STANDARDS OF THE CODE. I WAS A SING IN THE CAR WHEN THE COMMISSION WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST ONE, AND I KNOW THAT IT'S ALREADY PASSED. ONE OF THE THOUGHTS I WAS HAVING TO MYSELF IS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COMPLIANCE WHEN SOMEBODY DOES MORE THAN 50% OF THE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY, BUT IF I DON'T DO 50% OF THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, THERE'S NO INCREMENTAL COMPLIANCE AT ALL. SO FOR MORE THAN 50% IT'S 100% COMPLIANCE. 
          YOU CAN'T DO 100% COMPLIANCE IF THERE'S AN EXISTING STRUCTURE SOMETIMES RIGHT, BUT THE INCREMENT IN IN THIS CODE, IT'S WRITTEN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THE BUSINESS NATURE VERSUS THE NEIGHBORHOOD NATURE. AND SO IN HERE WE CALLED OUT FOR THE AN ITEM NUMBER. SEE THAT A CHANGE OF USE? UM I'M SORRY I'M BRINGING UP IS I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT PLANNERS WHEN THE REVIEWING THINGS UNDER OUR CURRENT CODE WHEN SOMEONE IS 
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DOING MORE THAN 50% RENOVATION HAVE SAID, TOTAL COMPLIANCE, AND THEY'VE SAID REMEMBER, RON HART HAD A HOUSE OVER BY THE PARK OVER THERE, AND HE HAD, LIKE, GUTTED THE WHOLE THING. AND IT WAS MORE THAN 50% AND HE ENDED UP HAVING TO TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN. I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE A BIG DEAL. AND SO THE TOTAL COMPLIANCE THAT'S FINE OR WHATEVER. BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS LIKE IF I OWN A HOUSE AND I'M USING A STEWART. I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY PASSED. BUT IF I DON'T KNOW, HOUSE NEEDS STEWART AND I DECIDED I WANT TO PUT IT FRONT PORCH ON THAT MEETS THE CODE HERE, WHICH IS GREAT, AND I'M GONNA DO THAT PROJECT AND IT'S 20 GRAND TO BE MY FRONT PORCH. DO I HAVE ANY INCREMENTAL COMPLIANCE THAT'S NECESSARY TO PLANT A TREE OR THE MEDIA THE OTHER CODE OR IF I WANT TO PUT A SWIMMING POOL IN MY BACKYARD, AND I MUST SPEND $75,000 ON A SWIMMING POOL AND SPA IN MY BACKYARD. DO I HAVE ANY DUTY AND MY HOUSE IS 151,000 SO MY $75,000 POOLS 49. DO I HAVE ANY INCREMENTAL COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENT TO ADD SHADE TREES OR TO ADD PARKING OR TO DO ANY OF THAT STUFF FOR THE LANDSCAPE STANDS FOR SITE STANDARDS, SO LANDSCAPE STANDARDS IN THAT CASE WOULD COME IN SO YOU'D BE REQUIRED. YOU'RE PUTTING THAT 75% YOU KNOW, EXCEEDING THAT SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATION NUMBER. I'M STAYING BELOW THE 50% MARK. 
          IT'S AT 40. OKAY? AND IF I DO IF I GET TO 55% DO I HAVE TO DO 55% COMPLIANT? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN THE PLANNERS REVIEW IT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD KIND OF DO IT AS WELL. WE'LL JUST DO IT ON A CASE BY CASE. I'M LOOKING FOR SOME KIND OF DIRECTION AND SOME KIND OF STANDARDS SO THAT THE PEOPLE REVIEWING THE APPLICATION CAN SAY TO THEM, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE LIKE IN THE A D, A. THE A D A, SAYS IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S IDIOT WAS PASSED IN 1993 . SO IF YOU'RE BUILDING WAS BUILT BEFORE 1993, AND IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH A D, A WHEN YOU DO A PROJECT. I THINK IT'S 20% BUT IT'S EITHER 10 OR 20% OF YOUR PROJECT COST. MUST BE DEDICATED. TWO COMPLIANCE MOVING THE NEEDLE ON THAT RIGHT? AND SO IN THIS INSTANCE AND I DON'T CARE WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS, EVEN IF WE SAY IT'S 1% I MEAN, IT DOESN'T. IT'S A POLICY DECISION FOR THE BOARD, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD SET A GUIDELINE THAT THE PLANNER THAT'S REVIEWING THE APPLICATION CAN SAY LOOK, I'M NOT ARBITRARILY TELLING YOU, YOU HAVE TO DO IT AND SOMEBODY ELSE IS DIFFERENT THING. HERE'S THE NEEDLE YOU HAVE TO DO YOU HAVE A $50,000 JOB YOU HAVE TO DO. 
          PERCENTAGE AND I GET IT THAT IT'S GOING TO FALL. KIND OF LIKE THE VALUE OF THE HEART. YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE 1% OF THE THING AND LIKE SO, PEOPLE SAY IS 1% IS ALWAYS IN MOVING TARGET, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU COULD HEAR THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ADDED TO THE DEFINITIONS ARE RECOMMENDING IN THE DEFINITIONS. IS THAT SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATION? UM IT DOES, UM, CALL FORWARD, UH, DIFFERENT VALUE. IT'S THE IT'S THE ASSESSED VALUE . SO 50% OF THE ASSESSED VALUE THAT IS AND THE LITTLE COMPLIANCE RIGHT AND ACCUMULATIVE, AND IT DIDN'T CUT SPECIFY THE CUMULATIVE HISTORY SO THAT ONE IS THREE YEARS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNICATIVE. ADDITIONS THAT ARE IN THAT DEFINITION. UM FOR THE CREEK DISTRICT. WE CALL OUT SPECIFICALLY THAT INCREMENTAL COMPLIANCE WILL SHALL INCLUDE THE LANDSCAPES, INSIGHT STANDARDS, THE SCIENCE STANDARDS AND THE MINIMUM SIDEWALK WITH SO THOSE THREE STANDARDS ARE APPLIED WHEN YOU ARE WHEN YOU HIT ANY OF THE THOSE DEFINED ELEMENTS RIGHT LIKE NEW NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN UNIT DEVELOPED SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT. 
          SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATION. UM AND THEN, IN ANY CASE, WHERE YOU'RE INCREASING THE IMPERVIOUS VALUE AREA OR NEW SIGNAGE, BUT THEN WHAT? CHANGE OF USE, YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE LANDSCAPE SITE STANDARDS? UM SIGN STANDARDS AND MINIMUM SIDEWALK WIDTHS. FOR THE CREEK DISTRICT. AND THEN IF YOU FAUBEL BELOW THE 50% 0 COMPLIANCE. WELL IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING BELOW THAT 50% AND YOU DON'T YOU DON'T FALL INTO ANY OF THESE DEFINITIONS AND YOU'RE NOT A CHANGE OF USE, AND YOU'RE NOT ADDING ANY SQUARE FOOTAGE AND YOU'RE NOT ADDING ANY NEW SIGNAGE. I'M NOT SURE YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. IT'S COVERING WITH YOU. THAT'S FINE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S GOOD OR BAD. I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IT WOULD BE VALUABLE TO HAVE A BIG TIERED OR ON THE SPECTRUM, YOU KNOW, OR I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE POINT. HE'S HERE ALREADY. I THINK IT MIGHT NOT TRIGGER LIKE THE FIRST TIME BUT THEN, IF THEY COME BACK FOR ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENT IN MIGHT TRIGGER THAT 50% OR MORE, AND THAT'S WHERE STAFF WOULD MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF EVALUATE THEIR PERMITS FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS AND SEE YOU KNOW HOW MANY IMPROVEMENTS THEY'VE MADE THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO CODIFY WITH TIMEFRAME OR THE TIMEFRAME IS CODIFIED IN THOSE DEFINITE IT'S PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED, UM I'M WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT THAT MAYBE IS MORE SPECIFIC. I'M STRUGGLING. I 
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HAVE TO CHECK WITH STAFF ON WHAT KIND OF THRESHOLDS WOULD MAKE SENSE BECAUSE, UM, OF WHAT YOU'RE OVERALL. INVESTMENT'S GONNA BE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW , 10% OR 5, OR I'LL TELL YOU THAT I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME READING THIS STUFF AND TALKING TO YOU GUYS AND WATCHING. I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK. THAT THE CURRENT RESIDENTS OF EAST STEWART ARE GONNA DROP WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND RUN TO THE HOME DEPOT AND START MAKING ALL SORTS OF $100,000 IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR PROPERTIES BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A FINANCIAL BARRIER. I THINK THAT 90% OR HIGHER OF THESE. THINGS THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING ARE GOING TO BE WHEN SOMEBODY BUYS A PROPERTY FROM SOMEBODY ELSE AND GOES IN AND STARTS TO RENOVATE, AND IT'S A NEW OWNER. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A NEW PERSON. THAT ISN'T CURRENTLY LIVING IN EAST STEWART BECAUSE I THINK THE PERSON CURRENTLY LIVING IN STUART, WE'RE SAYING, HEY, YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY THERE FOREVER. WE WANT YOUR FAMILY TO STAY THERE FOREVER, AND IT'S GREAT AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO. WORRY ABOUT THIS. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A FINANCIAL BURDEN ON YOU DON'T WANT TO STIFLE REDEVELOPMENT RIGHT IF YOU KEEP IT 50% THRESHOLD, AND THERE'S NOT A MOVING SPECTRUM OF 10% LET'S SAY LET'S THAT WOULD STOP SOMEBODY FROM POTENTIALLY WANTING TO INVEST THAT NEXT LEVEL AND BE ON THE HOOK FOR ALL OF THIS, YOU KNOW OTHER EXPENSES, SO AGAIN, PUTTING IT BACK INTO THE INTO THE CREEK DISTRICT, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE BIG TRIGGERS FOR REDEVELOPMENT OR WHAT ARE THE ACTIVITIES THAT HAPPEN? YOU GOT NEW DEVELOPMENT? YOU'VE GOT CHANGE OF USES. I MEAN, THOSE ARE REALLY YOUR MAJOR PIECES OF WHAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE CREEK DISTRICT, PROBABLY FOR REDEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OF INFILL SITES. UM THERE'S A COUPLE OF PLACES WHERE PEOPLE MAY WANT TO DO A CHANGE OF USE AND MAYBE ADD SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO IN THIS CODE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT IF YOU WERE ADDING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR DOING A CHANGE OF USE, YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE SIGNAGE, THE LANDSCAPE AND THE SIDEWALK WITH SO AT A MINIMUM. IF YOU ARE MEETING THOSE 50% THRESHOLDS OF INVESTMENT, THEN YOU'VE GOT TOTAL COMPLIANCE. RIGHT, SO THAT'S THOSE ARE FOR THE CREEK DISTRICT. THAT'S WHAT IS OUTLINED HERE IN C AND WE COULD . WE COULD DIVE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT IN THE CREEK DISTRICT, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. FINE WITH THAT. I THINK I THINK I GOT IT. I THINK I'M GOOD WITH THIS THE WAY THE WAY FAR AS THAT ISSUE. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS PARKING . HOW? HOW MUCH DIFFERENT. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS FROM WHAT'S EXISTING SO AGAIN, UM, FOR SOME OF THE USES ITS THE SAME, SO 12 300 IS WITH RETAIL FALLS ABOUT, I BELIEVE, UM, WHAT? SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT IS THE RESTAURANT ONE? UM RESTAURANTS. THEY ARE BASED OFF OF SEATS AND THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WHICH ARE REALLY DIFFICULT TO REGULATE AS A AS A PLANNER, UM AND IT REALLY INCENTIVIZES. APPLICANTS TO, YOU KNOW, GET CREATIVE WITH THEIR SEATS, I THINK, BUT, UH, ARRANGEMENTS BUT THE SO THAT'S WHERE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGES SO THE CRICKETS IT'S UM LET ME PULL UP THE SLIDE. IF YOU DON'T MIND CHEAP. MANY RESTAURANTS ARE IN CREEK THERE. 
          THERE'S NOT VERY MANY, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S UM WE'RE TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE. WE WANTED TO BE AN OPTION FOR PROPERTIES. YES, I MEAN, YOU EXPECT THERE TO BE RESTAURANTS AND ACTIVITY AND YOUR DOWNTOWN. UM RESTAURANTS ARE BIG GENERATOR OF THAT. THE UM VISIONING THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE WALK THROUGH THAT WE DID. THAT WAS ONE OF THE HUGE PIECES OF WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE MORE OF IN THE CREEK DISTRICT. UM SO RIGHT NOW, THE EXISTING STANDARD IS ONE PER. SO YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THIS IS GOOD FOR 300 SQUARE . THERE WE GO. AND THEN THERE'S US. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, BUT THEN EXISTINGS LIKE IT SHOULD BE ON THAT ONE. IT'S PROBABLY JUST UNDER HERE ON LET ME GO ON OVER THERE. APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE SECOND, BECAUSE YOU JUST ZONING AND PROGRESS. THAT WAS A CONCERN. I HAD HIS PARKING RIGHT AS YOU DON'T WANT TO HURT BUSINESS BY NOT HAVING ENOUGH PARKING. SO YOU CAN HURT BUSINESS THAT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG SITUATION RIGHT? YOU CAN HURT BUSINESSES BY REQUIRING TOO MUCH PARKING, AND THAT'S THE STORY WITH THE ROASTED RECORD AND THE 555 BUILDING. THOSE THOSE USES COULDN'T HAVE COME IN IF THEY DIDN'T GET ANY PARKING, REALLY AFRAID. UM BUT WE CREATED A VARIANCE FOR THAT RIGHT, EXACTLY , AND SO IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD. AND THEN 
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YOU MAKE VARIANCES WHERE THAT'S A PRETTY HIGH BURDEN FOR BUSINESSES. IT'S VERY SCARY FOR APPLICANTS TO COME IN HERE AND PUT THEIR LIVELIHOOD ON THE LINE FOR A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT A VARIANCE IS GOING TO BE, UM APPLIED, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S IF IT'S A USE. IN THAT DISTRICT AND YOU'RE GOING. YOU KNOW IF THE BOARD FEELS THAT THOSE ARE VARIANCES THAT ARE WILLING TO DO WITH THE IDEA THAT WE'RE DOING A FORM BASED CODE, GET AWAY FROM HEARINGS. I MEAN, THE INTENT OF THIS CODE IS TO HAVE TO NOT DO THAT. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IN LINE WITH THE VISION, YOU DON'T WANT TO CREATE UNNECESSARY HURDLES AND COSTS FOR THOSE BUSINESSES. UM IT TAKES AWAY VALUABLE TIME FROM THE COMMISSION FROM DOING OTHER VALUABLE WORK. UM AND THE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR A RESTAURANT PARKING LOT. 11144 SEATS AND THEN STAFF PARKING. SO IF YOU HAVE 100 AND 60 SEATS, IT'S YOU KNOW, 40 PARKING SPACES AND PLUS FIVE FOR STAFF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT DOESN'T SEEM ALL THAT MUCH DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. HE SAID ONE FOR ME. YES ONE FOR 300. SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT A SPY SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND IT'S GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE IS FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. THE OTHER THING IS JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE APPROVED THEY CAME IN. AND THEY HAD 80 SEATS OR WHATEVER IT WAS. AND EVERYTHING. THAT WHOLE PLAZA IN THE PARKING AND EVERYTHING WAS CALCULATED. THEY CAME IN AND THEN BONE FISH ADDED TWO MORE ROWS OF TABLES INSIDE AND THE ENTIRE OUTSIDE. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT EVER CAT AND MOUSE GAME EVER GOT PLAYED. AND THEN I ALSO KNOW LIKE CARRABBA'S WHEN IT GOT BUILT AND APPROVED. IT HAS A HUGE PARKING LOT BEHIND IT. BUT IT'S PARKING WAS BASED ON ITS INDOOR DINING. AND THEN THEY ADDED, I THINK 80 SEATS ON THAT OUTDOOR FRONT PATIO THAT DIDN'T FALL WITHIN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ACTUALLY A MUCH MORE RELIABLE METHOD TO DETERMINE THE PARKING FROM BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN AND SAY, OH, WE'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE TWO TABLES INSIDE THIS HUGE ROOM SO THAT THEY CAN DO IT, AND THEN THEY'LL JUST ADD THE CHAIRS LATER, AND IT'S A CAT AND MOUSE CHASE RIGHT SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A TABLE FOR FOUR WITH ONE PERSON SITTING AT IT. I MEAN, IT'S I THINK THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ESPECIALLY UNDER RESTAURANTS. UM AND, UH AND SOMETHING I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS. I DO THINK THERE'S ALREADY AN EQUITABLE ASPECT OF PARKING. IF YOU GO ACROSS THE TRACKS INTO HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, THEY'RE THEY'RE PARKING EXEMPT IN THE CITY PAYS FOR THEIR PARKING. YOU GO ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS, AND YOU'RE HAVING PLACES LIKE THE ROASTED RECORD. HEARD HAVING TO COME FOR A VARIANCE TO GET A PARKING SPACE SO THEY CAN PUT THREE TABLES INSIDE, RIGHT, SO THERE'S YOU KNOW. OH SO THAT IS JUST ONE OF THE CHALLENGES. I THINK THERE'S A THINK THERE'S AN EQUITABLE ARGUMENT, RIGHT? I MEAN, COURSE, THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIKE MR MARTEL SAYS THAT JUST GO IN AND CHEAT. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY GAMED THE SYSTEM AND EVEN WITH THEM GAMING THE SYSTEM. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WORKS SO RIGHT, SO AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, SO AGAIN, PARKING PARKING IS A IS A CHICKEN AND EGG SITUATION, TOO. I THINK SOME COMMENTS VERY MCDONALD MAY LAST AT A PREVIOUS COMMISSION, MEANING THE YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN IS PARKING EXEMPT AND THE RESULTS BECAUSE IT WAS EMPTY. IT WAS A DYING DOWNTOWN AND THE PARKING EXEMPT IS WILL HELP TO FLOURISH. THE DOWNTOWN THAT WE LOVE TODAY, RIGHT THAT THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO GO TO SO THERE'S GOT TO BE A BALANCE BETWEEN THE PARKING EXEMPT APPROACH AND WE FEEL THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IN THE IN THE CREEK DISTRICT AND THIS REALLY HIGH PARKING STANDARD THAT IS FRANKLY HARD TO ENFORCE ITS DEPENDENT ON THE APPLICANT BEING TRUTHFUL ABOUT THE NUMBER OF SEATS AND THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WHICH SOMETIMES THEY DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, BUSINESS PLANS CHANGE AS THEY GO ALONG. 
          YEAH AND SO THE FOLKS WHO WILL WANT TO BE HONEST AND TRUTHFUL, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE MOST. OOPS AND HOOPS TO GET TO THEIR BUSINESS OPENING. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. OKAY, ANYONE ELSE? I THINK I HAD GONE THROUGH MINE AND I'VE TALKED TO DUNCAN HEARD AND BUT YOU KNOW YOUR QUESTION WAS THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT. BUT THE CREEK FOLKS HAVE GIVEN VERY DETAIL INPUT, AND I THINK THAT I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT. BRUDER I'M GOOD. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE SHORELINE IS THAT INCLUDE THE CANAL AS WELL. AND THE YOU KNOW THE MAN MADE? YES THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE, UM SO OKAY, SO THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ON THAT, UH NOBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. AND WE HAVE A MOTION FOR, UM ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS ORDINANCE 25 1-20 TO 3 APPROVED . OKAY SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLLINS SECONDED BY 
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VICE MAYOR BRUDER. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? THAT WOULD BE HELEN YOURSELF. WELL I THOUGHT YOU WERE STAFF EARLIER. I MEAN, YOU'RE HERE SO MUCH. OKAY SO I SEE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          MARRIAGE YOU CALL THE RULE. MAYOR MCDONALD. YES COMMISSIONER RICH YES. CLARK YES. COLLINS YES, VICE MAYOR BRUNER. YES. ALRIGHT SO THEN WE GOT ONE LAST ITEM. WE NEED A MOTION FOR AND THAT WOULD BE ORDINANCE NUMBER TWO FORWARD 9820 TO 3. DO WE HAVE A MOTION MOTION APPROVED? SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION CONDITIONS. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS, DON'T WE? YEAH WE HAVE WITH CARAMEL. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION WITH COMMENTS? SO THIS IS THE LANGUAGE PORTION. YEAH THERE'S ANY CONDITIONS FOR THE FORMULA BUSINESS OR DON'T WE JUST DEAL WITH YOU GUYS BRINGING WITH ARE TAKING COMMENTS AND CONSIDERATION. YOU COME BACK WITH BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT A LITTLE WORK TO DO. IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? YES, YOUR COLLEGE. AND THEN YOU COME BACK ON SECOND READING AND MICHAEL OUT TO COMMISSIONER COLLINS AND ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO DISCUSS IF ANY COMPLAINER POINTS . OKAY, AND WE HAVE ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION. YEAH. UH, YEAH. 
          GO AHEAD. YEAH I THINK I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. THERE WAS THE FORMULA BUSINESS AND THEN CONSISTENCY WITH THE LANGUAGE AND THE CAMP PLAN FOR THE SUBDISTRICT PERCENTAGES THAT FOOTAGE THE FRONTAGE, UM, THAT WAS ON THE FORMULA BUSINESS. CORRECT SOMETHING IN THE EAST STEWART 12 THAT I WAS DRIVING MY CAR AND I THOUGHT I SHOULD WRITE THIS DOWN. BUT UM WELL, I'M GLAD YOU DIDN'T WRITE, YOU KNOW, UM, SO I THINK THAT AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS SO WE HAD THE FORMULA BUSINESS. AND THEN WE HAD THE FOOTNOTE REGARDING THE PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTIAL VERSUS THE MAXIMUM COMMERCIAL DISTRICT DISTRICT, JUST LAND USED FOR CREEK AND DISTRICT. CHECK THIS AND MAKE SURE WE ALL HAD. OKAY? YEAH LANGUAGE ABOUT. IF YOU'RE JUST A SMALL PERCENTAGE OVER COMPLIANCE SHOULD BE PERCENTAGE BASED. MAYBE OR THAT THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME. SO FAR. I THINK THE CONSENSUS WAS WHAT'S EXISTING WITH? YEAH FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. I'VE NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN A PERMIT. THAT. LET ME REPHRASE THIS EVERY TIME I'VE SEEN A PERMIT APPLICATION. I HAVE SAID I WANT TO USE THAT CONTRACTOR BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE $60, A FOOT. AND THE GOING RATES 250. SO YOU KNOW, LIKE, SO THE THOSE NUMBERS AND THOSE COMPLIANCE THINGS ARE SOMEWHAT SUBJECTIVE. AND WHEN WE DO THE ART IN THE SIERRA, EVERY PROJECT HAS TO HAVE 1% VALUE OF THE YOU KNOW THE ARTIST TO BE 1% OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS OR WHATEVER THE CONSTRUCTION COST. IN ONE CASE BASED UPON WHAT THE ART WAS ALMOST FREE, OHMYGOD, LIKE THE WORKERS HAD TO WORK FREE, BUT IT'S WE TRY TO KEEP TRACK OF IT . OKAY SO THAT SATISFIED? OKAY SO WE HAVE A COMMOTION COMMOTION ? WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COMMON COLLINS TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE WITH TAKING THIS CONSIDERATION. COMMISSION COMMENTS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO MARY CALLED THE ROOM, PLEASE. IF YOU WOULD, ER BRUNER. HERE I MEAN, YES, I'M HAPPY TO SLEEP. MCDONALD YES, RICH? YES CLARK? YES COLLINS? YES LET'S BE CLEAR THAT I DID MAKE IT BACK FROM LET ME JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT I FEEL SORRY FOR THE POOR GS GUY HAS GOT TO CHANGE ALL THE FLAT FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING ISSUE. OH THAT'S RIGHT. I WILL SAY ONE OTHER THING IS A FOLLOW UP TO THE MEETING TODAY. UM, I TOLD THE MANAGER BUT, UM MARK THE ATTORNEY FOR THE GOVERNOR. TOLD LINA RUE IS STEWART NEWS REPORTER. THAT. HE IS NOT GIVING THE ORDER. DIRECTLY TO THE GOVERNOR FOR SIGNATURE, BUT RATHER HE IS DRAFTING THE ORDER AND SCHEDULING IT FOR THE MARCH HEARING FOR THE BOARD TO APPROVE. OKAY BUT THERE WILL BE NO, THERE'LL BE NO DELIBERATION . NO ANYTHING BUT THE CABINET WILL BE SIGN THE ORDER IN MARCH, NOT JANUARY. 23 THAT IS. I DON'T I DIDN'T ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATE HAVING TO GO BACK TO TALLAHASSEE TO WATCH THEM SIGN THIS DOCUMENT FOR A THIRD TIME, SO THE ORDER WILL INCLUDE WHAT WHAT THEY RULED TODAY WAS TO DO RIGHT RULED TODAY THAT THE CITY WAS COMPLETELY IN COMPLIANCE AND TO ENTER AN ORDER REFLECTING SAME ABSOLUTELY GO FORWARD. AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO 
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GET A PERMIT UNTIL UNTIL THAT ORDER IS SIGNED. IRONICALLY, IF THEY SIGN THE ORDER NEXT WEEK. 
          AND THE PETITIONER APPEALED. THE CITY COULD NOT USE THE PENDING APPEAL AS A REASON TO DENY A PERMIT BECAUSE THE STATE STATUTE SAYS UNDER THESE FUTURE LAND USE IS THAT IF SOMEBODY CHALLENGES THE FUTURE LAND USE THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME EFFECTIVE UNTIL THIS ORDER GETS SIGNED, AND THEREFORE YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING . BUT ONCE THE ORDER SIGNED ANY ADDITIONAL APPEALS THAT GO ON, DON'T STAY THE PROCEEDINGS AT ALL, BUT IT WON'T MATTER BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SIGNED. IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME NOW UNTIL OCTOBER UNTIL MARCH. UM AT WHICH TIME YOU KNOW THEY'LL DO WHATEVER THEY DO. SOLD IT. MISS CARTWRIGHT WANTED TO APPEAL OR WINDOW IS I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO HER IF SHE BUT IF SHE DID IF SHE WERE TO APPEAL, SHE HAS TO FILE AN APPEAL WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE RENDERED ORDER. SO THE DAY THE ORDER GETS SIGNED, EVEN IF WE GO TO THE MEETING IN MARCH AND ITS MARCH 12TH IF THE GOVERNOR DIDN'T SIGN UNTIL MARCH, 14TH IT'S 30 DAYS OF THE DAY IT'S SIGNED, JUST LIKE THE CITY OF STEWART. SOMEONE APPEALING AN ORDINANCE THAT YOU GUYS PASS. 
          IT'S NOT THE DAY OF THE MEETING. IT'S THE DAY THAT THE MAYOR EXECUTES THE ORDER. THE CLERK SIGNS IT AND RECORDS IT WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THOSE DRIVES DOING THAT INTERESTING FORMALITY. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK. WELL I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS FOR READING THROUGH THAT VERY LENGTHY AGENDA PACKAGE AND AS WELL TO MR MARTEL FOR DOING A VERY THOROUGH REVIEW. CITY STAFF HAS BEEN REMARKABLE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THE C R A GUIDING THIS THROUGH, SO THANK YOU. MR. WORKED HERE AND ON THAT NOTE ME OVER ALREADY. GO OH, YES. I DIDN'T SAY THIS WHEN WE'RE DOING THE ACTUAL ADOPTION, BUT WE HAD A THING. I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONED. MCDONALD WILL MAYOR MCDONALD AND ALL WHO STARTED SAYING THAT WE SHOULD GO LOCAL AND BUSINESS AND A LOT OF THINGS AND IN OUR PRACTICE IS FOR THE COMMISSION. I'M GLAD THAT WE WENT LOCAL IN DOING THIS , UM, PROJECT AND WE CHOSE ORIGINAL PLANNING COUNCIL AND WHEN LOCAL SO THAT'S IMPORTANT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE ALL THESE NUMBER OF PAGES ON BOTH THE CREEK AND STEWART WAS WHEN WE WENT ON THOSE WALKING TOURS. I THINK IT WAS COLD OR SOMETHING . IT WAS JANUARY 22ND OR SOMETHING. WE WENT ON THOSE WALKING TOWARDS AND JUST AVAILABILITY AND THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL. I WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON THAT BECAUSE WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT KEEPING A SMALL TOWN FEEL WHEN WE ADOPT POLICIES LIKE THIS THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT AND LOOK AT AND WORK WITH. YES, IT'S OKAY TO JUST GO WITH THE CODE. BUT THEN WHEN YOU HAVE TO GO AND LOOK AT CERTAIN THINGS AND REALLY MEASURE, THINGS ARE STILL HOW THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO LOOK AND FEEL, UM, AND STILL HAVE STANDARDS AND MEASUREMENTS STANDARDS, BUT IT'S ALL INCLUDED , AND I THINK THAT THAT'S UH THAT THAT'S A GOOD THING, BECAUSE USUALLY, THEY SAY, PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS OR WHATEVER IT IS. BUT THIS TIME , I THINK THE CITY OF STEWART IS REALLY PUT IN YOU KNOW, OR EFFORTS INTO WHAT WE WANT TO SEE HAPPEN IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          UH THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU . OKAY MEETING ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.