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PEOPLE. MY SON. NEVER GOT IT. OKAY, EVERYBODY READY? THANK YOU GUYS READY? OKAY, UM GOOD

[ROLL CALL]

AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. I'M GONNA CALL THIS SPECIAL COMMISSION MEETING THE STUART CITY COMMISSION TO ORDER MARY. WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? MCDONALD HERE. BRUNER COMMISSIONER CLARK HERE. COMMISSIONER COLLINS, COMMISSIONER RICH HERE. OKAY IF YOU PLEASE JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE, FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. THANK YOU.

I PLEDGE, MY LADY. WHAT HAPPENED? STATES OF AMERICA. THANK YOU. PROBABLY THE SPANISH NATION UNDER GOD. JUSTICE. FOR OKAY? CAN WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA APPROVAL?

[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

SECOND OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RICH EVERY SAY I

[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (3 Minutes Max.)]

ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC IN UNATTENDED ITEMS. I WAS JUST WAS THIS PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER . THERE'S NOBODY HERE, OKAY, SEEING NONE. PLENTY OF PEOPLE HERE. WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? CHOPPED LIVER. SORRY GREEN CARDS HERE. SORRY NO GREEN PARTS.

SHE'S CAMILLA. DIDN'T MEAN THAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE DO HAVE A COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC. WE DO HAVE A GREEN CARD. THANK YOU. MR PERRY. FOR SAVING ME THIS PUBLIC COMMENT IN FRONT OF YOU, OKAY? MR PERRY 17 YEAR AWHILE. HOW ARE YOU DOING? VERY GOOD, SIR. THANKS GOOD TO SEE YOU FOR ASKING, CHECKED THAT BEFORE THE MEETING I A OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU. JUST A BRIEF COMMENT. I KNOW THIS CITY MANAGER POSITION IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AS WELL AS THE CITY ATTORNEY POSITION. SO ARE CONCERNED OF I GREW UP HERE IN 1957. MY YOU KNOW, I GREW UP HERE WENT AWAY TO COLLEGE MERCHANT MARINE CAME BACK IN 78. AS YOU KNOW, BEN. FIGHTING FOR OUR WATERS AND TRYING TO GET OUR WATERS RIGHT? AND THE CITY HAS BEEN A BIG PART OF THAT, ESPECIALLY RECENTLY AND I WANT TO COMMEND THE CITY TO REALLY STEPPING OUT AND STEPPING FORWARD AND BEING VERY ACTIVE. YOU'VE GOT A GREAT STAFF. YOU'VE GOT GREAT PEOPLE. AND SO WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE CITY MANAGER COMING IN, AND OR CITY ATTORNEY COMING INTO JUST HELP TO REALLY GIVE THEM THE DIRECTION AND EFFORT TO SAY WE WANT TO FOCUS ON OUR ENVIRONMENT OUR WATERWAYS , PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THE CITY BEING SURROUNDED BY WATERWAYS IS SO IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMUNITY.

AS YOU KNOW, I KNOW EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS. AND UH AND WE AGAIN APPRECIATE YOU HOSTING THE RIVERS, COALITION AND OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'VE DONE. OVER THE YEARS WITH THE FESTIVAL'S DOWNTOWN. EVERYTHING THAT HAS REALLY HELPED BRING THE COMMUNITY AWARENESS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR WATERWAYS. BUT IT'S GROUND ZERO RIGHT HERE. AND THIS PENINSULA SURROUNDED BY WATER AT ST LUCIE ESTUARY. CONFLUENCE IS WITH THIS IS IT AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS A CITY TO REALLY FIGHT FOR CLEAN WATER TO REALLY PUT YOUR PUT YOUR VOICES OUT THERE, AND IT MEANS A LOT TO THOSE AGENCIES AND THOSE GOVERNMENTS AND THOSE GROUPS UP THERE THAT SAY THEY'RE MAKING THE LAWS THEY'RE MAKING THE RULES. AND, UH, BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR COUNSEL FROM CITY MANAGEMENT AND CITY ATTORNEY. I THINK IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE YOU HAD FOCUSED AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THAT. SO THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOU'VE DONE FOR THE TO KEEP. YOU KNOW FOR THE CLEAN WATER ADVOCACY. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. IT'S WORTH IT. OKAY? OKAY LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM

[1. DETERMINATION ON REPLACING THE CITY MANAGER'S POSITION]

NUMBER ONE. YES, SIR. THANK YOU . MR MAYOR. THE ONLY ITEM THINK THAT'S IT. SO I'M JUST GOING TO BRIEFLY REVIEW WHAT YOU HAD IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE THAT, UH ROZ. AM I CALLING YOU JOHNSON NOW OR CALLING YOU STRONG? OKAY UM HAS HAS PREPARED FOR YOU, AND IT'S BASICALLY AN OUTLINE OF WHAT SOME OF YOUR OPTIONS ARE AS A, UH, RELATES TO REPLACING THE CITY MANAGER'S POSITION. UM THE AND MISS JOHNSON IS HERE, OBVIOUSLY, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AS IT RELATES TO THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC. UM I'VE SPOKEN WITH EACH OF YOU OBVIOUSLY INDEPENDENTLY ABOUT THIS IN YOUR OPTIONS AS WELL, THE FIRST OF WHICH BEING TO APPOINT AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER AS A TEMPORARY EMPLOYMENT WE HAVE HAD PREVIOUSLY MR BAGLEY OLI SERVE AS A, UH, TEMPORARY INTERIM MANAGER. I HAVE SPOKEN WITH HIM. HE IS WILLING TO DO THAT AGAIN.

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UM AND IN THAT ROLE WHO WAS BASICALLY WITH AN INTENT TO, UM GO TO THE OUTSIDE OR LOOK FURTHER OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO, UM, PROCEED AFTER THAT TIME PERIOD. THE SECOND IS TO APPOINT AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER HAS LONG TERM INTENTIONS, AND THAT WOULD BE PRIMARILY IF THERE'S SOMEONE THAT YOU ARE, UM ENDEARED UPON THE LIKE THAT YOU WANT TO CONSIDER FOR A FUTURE POSITION.

UM WHICH IS WHAT YOU DID WITH ME PUT THAT PERSON IN THAT ROLE AS AN INTERIM, AND, UM AS THINGS PROGRESS AND WORK OUT AND GIVES YOU TIME TO SEE HOW THE PERSON PERFORMS AND AS WELL AS GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE KIND OF A BREATHER AND EVALUATE IF THIS IS THE STEP YOU WANT TO TAKE WITH THAT PARTICULAR INTERIM PERSON OR LATER DOWN THE ROAD. YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANTED TO UM, EXPLORE SOMEONE ELSE OR GO OUT TO A SEARCH. YOU STILL HAVE THAT OPTION TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL NOT IN TERM ROLE. UM THE THIRD IS TO DO A POSTING, UM, FOR THE LOCAL OR JUST A STATEWIDE SEARCH. AND, OH, THERE'S MAYBE SOME ANGST ABOUT GOING OUTSIDE THE STATE THAT COULD BE DONE IN HOUSE BY OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT OUTLINES IN THAT PARTICULAR ITEM , UM DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND WHERE WE WOULD ADVERTISE AND HOW WILL THE PROCESS WOULD GO AND UM UH, WE DO HAVE A PRETTY DECENT BACKGROUND TEAM. NOW THAT'S AN OUTSIDE TEAM. EXCELLENT FORCE MINT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY DO THE EVALUATIONS OF THOSE CANDIDATES THAT WERE, UM RECEIVED. FOURTH IS A MUNICIPAL SEARCH FOR INFIRM AND THEN FIFTH IS THE EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRMS, AND ALMOST OF YOU AT LEAST ARE AWARE OF THOSE FIRMS. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WHEN THEY WERE FIRMS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO WITH. WHO USED IT BEFORE. WHICH WAS MR BENZINGER. UM, BUT IF YOU CHOOSE, YOU COULD JUST YOU COULD DO AN RFP AND SPECIFIC CRITERIA OF NOT TO SELECT A CERTAIN PERSON OR TO SELECT A CERTAIN PERSON. SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE YOUR OPTIONS AND OPEN TO DISCUSSION OR THE BOARD OF HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OPTIONS AND SEE WHERE WE GO. MR QUESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION. I'D LIKE TO PROBABLY CALL, MISS. UM JOHNSON. HR. SO. ON THE ANNOUNCEMENT UNDER THE NUMBER THREE IF WE WANTED TO POST SOMETHING, AND MAYBE THAT WOULD MEAN SOMEBODY, UM IN HOUSE AS WELL AS LOCAL EVEN STATEWIDE. WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME FOR THAT? IS THAT STILL A THREE OR FOUR MONTH TIME FRAME? OR WOULD WE ACTUALLY SET A TIME FRAME? WE CAN SET THE TIMEFRAME GENERALLY 30 DAYS, ESPECIALLY FOR STAYING LOCAL SO WE CAN SET THAT TIME TO RESPOND AND FOR YOU TO REVIEW THEM TO REVIEW TAKES WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME FOR THE END OF IT? I WOULD GIVE IT A 2 TO 3 MONTHS TO GET THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS, AND ALL OF THOSE ARE THE ONES WHETHER THE SEARCH FIRM OR THE EXACT THOSE WILL PROBABLY TAKE 4 TO 6 MONTHS. THEY COULD, YES.

OKAY AND IF WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THAT, THEN WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO GO BACK TO NUMBER ONE OR TWO, WHICH WOULD BE A INTERIM AS AN INTERIM BASIS OR SOMEBODY LONG TERM INTERIM CORRECT TENSION WITH LONG TERM INTENTIONS. I WILL TELL YOU THAT AFTER JUST GOING THROUGH TWO PROCESSES MYSELF, ONE INTERNAL AND ONE, A HEADHUNTER FIRM. UM IF YOU'RE DOING IT DOING INTERNAL, YOU WANT TO SET SPECIFIC DATES. THE COMMISSION WANTS TO SET SPECIFIC DATES BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO IT AND THEN ENTERING BEFORE, AND IT WAS EIGHT PLUS MONTHS OF ON THE SIDELINE, NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON AS A CANDIDATE. UM TO WHERE THE OTHER ONE WHERE IT WAS DONE BY A SEARCH FIRM AND YOU COULD DO THIS INTERNALLY AS WELL. BUT THE COMMISSIONS HAVE SET FIRM DATES. UM, IT WAS 3.5 MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS. FROM START TO FINISH. OKAY AND WHAT'S THE TEMPERATURE OUT THERE? MISS JOHNSON WITH PEOPLE AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW THE TEMPERATURE TOO. THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE WANTING TO COME AND APPLY. WE COULD GET GOOD AT CANDIDATES IF WE DECIDED TO GO OUTSIDE. OF COURSE, IT'S HARD TO SAY UNTIL WE REALLY GET OUT THERE. BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE CANDIDATES OUT THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF LOCAL LEADERSHIP POSITIONS AVAILABLE, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE HAVE BEEN A DECENT SIZED POOL OF CANDIDATES.

SO IT'S HARD TO SAY UNTIL WE ACTUALLY POST BUT WE DO BELIEVE THERE ARE CANDIDATES OUT THERE WHO WOULD APPLY. OKAY AND THEN THERE WAS 56 CANDIDATES AND I'LL ASK, MR. I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD ASK MR MARTEL OR MR UM DIETS, BUT, UM THIS PROCESS TODAY PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME WELL.

HAVE YOU ADVERTISE? ARE YOU GOING TO ADVERTISE IT? WILL YOU IS WHAT THAT STEP UP PROCESS IF WE DECIDED TO STEP UP FROM INSIDE, JUST EXPLAIN THAT TO US AGAIN SO THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS AND I KNOW THAT YOU PUT THE OPTIONS IN HERE. OH, IF WE PROMOTE SOMEBODY FROM WITHIN SOMEBODY FROM INSIDE, SURE, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THAT OPTION AND GENERALLY, IT'S AN INTERIM ROLE

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FOR A PERIOD OF TIME THAT THE COMMISSION ESTABLISHES. COULD BE THREE MONTHS. SIX MONTHS. IT COULD BE LONGER WHATEVER TERM YOU DETERMINE, AND AT THE END OF THAT TERM OR BEFORE YOU WOULD DETERMINE IF THAT'S BEEN A GOOD FIT. UM AND IF IT IS, YOU MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE THE CONTRACT AGREEMENT. THE EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT AND THAT CANDIDATE MOVES INTO REGULAR EMPLOYMENT.

IF IT ISN'T A GOOD FIT, THEN YOU CAN MOVE TO ANY ONE OF THESE OTHER OPTIONS. OKAY? THANK YOU, MR MICHAEL OR ANYONE ELSE. COMMISSIONER RICH WELL, ACTUALLY , WE CAN DO TWO THINGS AT ONCE.

WE CAN HAVE AN INTERIM APPOINTMENT. AND ADVERTISE IT OR OPEN IT UP. ABSOLUTELY WE CAN ACCOMPLISH TWO THINGS AT ONCE. YES AND I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT EVEN IF WE TALK AT THE SAME TIME ONCE IN A WHILE, UM YES. IF WE DO GO AHEAD AND POST ANYBODY INTERNALLY CAN APPLY AS WELL. IT'S AN INTERNAL EXTERNAL POSTING PROCESS. YES, THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE OF THE PRESENCE OF THE INTERNET. THESE SEARCHES ARE FAIRLY NARROWLY DEFINED. SO THE POOL OF CANDIDATES FIND OUT VERY QUICKLY THAT THIS OPENING IS IN PLACE AND I DON'T KNOW. MR DIES. I MEAN, DID YOU FIND THAT WHEN YOU I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE AND THESE SEARCH SEARCH SITES. YOU KNOW, THEY DELIVER THESE POSITIONS TO THEM. YES YEAH, THERE'S MORE QUICKLY THAN YES. THERE'S A NATIONAL ONE. THERE'S A STATE ONE THAT ALL MANAGERS KIND OF MONITOR AND FOR JOB OPENING POSITIONS, AND I THINK IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE DESIRABILITY OF THE COMMUNITY. I THINK STUART'S WOULD BE VERY DESIRABLE. UM I THINK INDIAN RIVER GOT 50 SOME ODD CANDIDATES, BUT ST LUCIE CAN WIN. WE'VE GOT 25, SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. AND, UH, MR MAYOR. HMM. IS THERE A WEEK? IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY MANAGER LIVE IN THE CITY, AND THEN AN EXCEPTION WAS MADE FOR MR DIVES. I WAS NOT HERE WHEN MR DIESS, UM WHEN HE WAS ACTUALLY HIRED. I WAS HERE WHEN HE BECAME THE INTERN MANAGER, SO I BELIEVE THERE WAS, UM FROM A HISTORICALLY PERSPECTIVE. THE LAST VIEW, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MR DAVIS, THE LAST FEW MANAGERS HAVE HAD THAT I BELIEVE MR HUDSON. UH YEAH. DAN HUDSON DID NOT HAVE THAT. UH THERE'S RIGHT.

DAVE. DICE DIDN'T HAVE IT. DAVE COLLIER DID NOT, AND I THINK HE DID NOT INITIALLY HAVE IT. BUT THEN LATER ON, IT BECAME YOUR DID HAVE IT? HE JUST DIDN'T LIVE IN THE CITY WHEN HE TOOK THE JOB, SO HE HAD ONE YEAR TO MOVE INTO THE CITY. AND THEN WE REQUIRED DAVID ROSS TO FIND A PLACE IN THE CITY. UM HE HAD, AND I DO KNOW THAT WAS UH, A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING AT THE TIME BECAUSE OF LACK OF HOUSING . UM OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE TYPE OF HOUSING AND HE WAS LOOKING FOR, SO I JUST REMEMBER THAT BEING THAT WAS BEING A NEGOTIATION POINT. THAT WAS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. YEAH, YOU YOU CAN'T JUST GET YOU KNOW A FAILED AVAILABLE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING FOR 2 53 50 JUST LIKE THAT IN THE MARKET AND IN STUART, IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S TOUGH. AND I THINK HE ENDED UP WITH KHAN WITH A NEWLY BUILT CONDOR. OLDER CONDOS TOWNHOUSE, THE TOWNHOUSES BEHIND ON INDIAN STREETS, LAKES, CORRECT AND THEN FINALLY, MR MAYOR, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UH REAFFIRM THE POINT THAT COMMISSIONER CLARK MADE THAT AND PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN TO ME.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. THEY THINK THEIR REACTION IS WHILE YOU ARE GOING TO OPEN THIS UP AND SEE WHO'S OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT'S AVAILABLE. SO YEAH. THANK YOU. THANKS. I GO BACK AGAIN.

COMMISSIONER COLLINS, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY? SO I'VE BEEN PRETTY TRANSPARENT WITH WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN. DO THIS PROCESS I WOULD LOVE THREE POINTS. I WOULD LOVE MIKE TO TRANSITION INTO THIS POSITION AT CITY MANAGER ONE BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AN ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY. UM. FOR CLEAN WATER THAT HAS LITIGATION EXPERIENCE AND GO GO IN THE ROUTE THAT I WANT TO GO. TWO AND I THINK THIS IS THE BIG ONE THAT WE'RE ALL FEELING IS SENATE BILL ONE. OH, TWO. THAT'S BASICALLY PAST BUT LOOMING, I SEE. UNLESS THE CITY UNLESS WE PLAN ON, JUST SORT OF ROLLING OVER, UM I DON'T KNOW HOW CANDID TO BE HERE. BUT WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THERE. IF I WAS A DEVELOPER, I WOULD BE SUING THE CITY FOR ANY ANYTHING THAT'S VAGUE AND THERE THAT I THINK I COULD. I COULD GET LEVERAGE. SO I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO BE MOVING INTO A

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DEFENSIVE POSTURE. WHERE WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY AT CITY MANAGER AND AN ENVIRONMENTAL LAND USE ATTORNEY AT THE CITY ATTORNEY POST AS WELL. GOING FORWARD. WE NEED TO BE PREPARING FOR WHAT MAY BE COMING OUR WAY. AND LASTLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT MIKE DOES LIVE IN THE CITY. AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT YOU KNOW? WHEN YOU LIVE IN THE CITY, YOU DO HAVE A SPECIAL APPRECIATION FOR THE FUTURE DIRECTION OF THE CITY. SO. ALL MOTION ANYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT BEFORE PRESSURE BURGER BEFORE I GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER CLARK WILL GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE. YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA LISTEN. OKAY LITTLE GUMDROP BEFORE I GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER CLARK, I THINK AFTER BEING THROUGH, I GUESS OVER THE YEARS THREE OR FOUR CITY MANAGER CHANGES THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ONES. HAVE BEEN ONCE THAT CAME FROM WITHIN. AND THEY HAVE STUART MARTIN COUNTY EXPERIENCE. I HAVE NO INTEREST AND SEEKING OUT APPLICANTS FROM FAILED CITIES ACROSS THE MIDWEST. THEY'RE JUST LOOKING TO RETIRE HERE. AH I'M NO INTEREST OF GETTING YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH FLORIDA SUNSHINE LAWS AND OPEN RECORDS LAWS. AND I HAVE AND I HAVE NO INTEREST OF, ACTUALLY. REALLY I ONLY WANT SOMEONE WHO HAS SPENT MANY YEARS AND STEWART OR AND I'LL INCLUDE ALL OF MARTIN COUNTY WORKING. I THINK MIKE WOULD BE. I THINK MIKE WOULD MAKE A VERY GOOD INTERN MANAGER AND GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF THE JOB FITS HIM. AND WE WOULD PUT A PUT A PUT A CLOCK ON IT. AND THEN, UM. AND THAT AT WHICH POINT WE WOULD MAKE A DECISION AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE A HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME FOR US TO DECIDE. IF MIKE, UH HE MIGHT DECIDE HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE IF WE WERE TO CHOOSE HIM, BUT PUT A CLOCK ON IT. AND SEE HOW THE HOW HE PERFORMS. I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT HAPPENED WITH DAVE DIESS? I WAS HERE WHEN WE UH AND I WAS A BIG ADVOCATE OF DAVE TO BECOME IN TURN MANAGER AND THAT I WASN'T HERE, AND I THINK THE COMMISSION DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF ALLOWING HIM TO DAVE TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT HIS ABILITIES WERE. AND. UH THEN, FROM THERE, THEY MADE DECISION TO MAKE HIM THE PERMANENT CITY MANAGER. BUT I THINK THAT'S HOW I WOULD, UH HOW I WOULD LOOK AT THIS, BUT I DO NOT WANT SOMEONE FROM OUT OF THE COMMUNITY. SOMEONE HAS TO KNOW AND WHO WE ARE AND WHAT OUR CHARACTER IS.

COMMISSIONER CLARK, THANKS SO I'M LIKE, FIVE THINGS. I'M GONNA FORGET THEM. I WANTED MY MAIN THING THAT I WANT TO SAY. AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR DICE AND FOR YOU IN ON A TIME FRAME ISSUE. IS MR PERRY. I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY PAID HIM OR IF IT WAS SOME PROVIDENCE THING THAT HE CAME TONIGHT BECAUSE EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID, IS HARM FEELING IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF HOW YOU KNOW THE FLAVOR OF THINGS. SO MARK PERRY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, YOU KNOW, UM WELL SAID, BUT, UM SO THAT KIND OF THING, AND SO THAT KIND OF BRINGS US TO THE HOMEGROWN ISSUE AND HAVING STAFF IN HERE AND I WANTED TO ASK MR DIA SORT OF. IF IT'S YOU WOULD KNOW THE ANSWER.

BUT WHEN WE DID YOUR THING WAS IT SIX MONTHS OR WAS IT A YEAR? IT WAS NOT A YEAR FOR SURE IT WAS. IT WAS EITHER FIVE OR SIX MONTHS, SIX MONTHS. IT WAS IT WAS SIX MONTHS, OKAY? ALRIGHT SO , UM, AND THAT WAS RIGHT AFTER MR NICOLETTI WAS NO. MR ROSS WAS LEAVING APRIL TO OCTOBER. OKAY IT WAS LIKE AN END OF BUDGET THING OR SOMETHING NOW, BUDGET OKAY, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE CONTRACT DONE BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF BUDGET. OKAY BEFORE THE BEGINNING BUDGET, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO UM, I AGREE WITH MR MCDONALD IN TERMS OF LOCAL. I REALLY THINK FOR OUR CITY FOR WHAT I SEE AND I HAVE TALKED TO DEPARTMENT HEADS I'VE TALKED TO, UM UH TWO PEOPLE, AND I'LL BE OPEN AND CANDID THAT AT THE VERY BEGINNING, I JUST THOUGHT WELL, LET ME SEE EVEN WITHOUT THEM SAYING ANYTHING, AND I, UM I BELIEVE THAT, UM, BOTH MR MARTEL AND MISS BERGER, WHO SERVED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, AS WELL AS SERVED HERE TO ASSIST MR DIESS. OR I THINK VERY GOOD CANDIDATE.

AWKWARD SITUATION IS HOW WE DISCUSS WHAT WE DO NOW AND DO WE GO BACK? AND IF WE DECIDE ON

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SOMEBODY TONIGHT, WHOEVER WE DECIDE ON AFTER WE'VE HAD OUR DISCUSSIONS DO WE WORK THAT OUT ? OR DO WE GET YOU TO WORK OUT SOMETHING LIKE LET'S SAY THAT IF MS LET'S SAY IF WE PICK MR MARTEL, FOR EXAMPLE, AND HE'S NOW GETTING FUNDS FOR LITIGATION , AND HE'S NOT GOING TO BE DOING LITIGATION, THOSE KIND OF THINGS ANYTHING THAT WILL COME INTO A TEMPORARY CONTRACT. WHEN WE COME BACK AND MEET ABOUT THOSE THINGS AGAIN OR DO WE TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT? IF WE WERE GONNA DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WELL, FIRST, I THINK WE DEPEND ON MR MARTEL AND WHETHER OR NOT HE WOULD WANT ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION FOR THE INTERIM POSITION. UM I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT A TEMPORARY OR INTERIM CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY AS WELL, IF YOU SELECT HIM, UM I DON'T I DON'T THERE THERE IS SOME QUESTION ABILITY ABOUT HIM SERVING TO CHARTER POSITIONS WOULD WANT HIM TO DO THAT. AND I THINK THAT I THINK WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. AGAIN STEP UP. WE PROBABLY HAVE FORMER PEOPLE WHO HAVE SERVED OUR CITY. IF THAT WERE THE CASE , SO I DON'T KNOW IF WHAT WE NEED IF WE NEED EMOTIONAL, MORE DISCUSSION, BUT, UM, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED. AT LEAST I THINK THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO I THINK ARE QUALIFIED, UM, IN TERMS OF LEADERSHIP IN TERMS OF TRYING TO GET THINGS, BUT I THINK WHATEVER WE DO, I WANT US TO AGREE THAT MAYBE IT'S GOING TO BE A TEMPORARY WHETHER IT'S A TEMPORARY WITH TEMPORARY MEANING . IT COULD BE SOMEBODY LIKE MR BUGLIOSI BEING TEMPORARY OR HAVING THE ACTUAL PERSON THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT BEING THE CITY MANAGER BEING TEMPORARY, SO THAT WOULD BE NUMBER TWO, THEN APPOINT WITH LONG TERM INTENTION . UM SO IT'S THAT WHAT WHAT ROLE DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO? NUMBER ONE NUMBER ONE WOULD BE MANAGER. TEMPORARY TEMPORARY TEMPORARY HOLD ABOUT NUMBER TWO ON THE LIST ON THIS LIST OF OPTIONS. YEAH SORRY. SORRY OTHER WORDS. WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS IF, LIKE WHAT YOU GUYS DID WITH ME IS IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE YOU WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE AS BEING THE PERMANENT MANAGER. YOU APPOINT THEM AS A TEMPORARY MANAGER TO GIVE HIM THAT TIME PERIOD EXPERIENCE. I JUST WANT TO TEMPER AND SAY, LET'S HAVE MR BUGLIOSI TO DO IT BECAUSE HE'S DONE IT BEFORE. WE CAN'T MAKE UP OUR MINDS. WE WANT TO GO BACK AND THINK ABOUT IT, OR WE WANT TO PUBLISH LOCALLY OR SOMETHING.

SO, UM. I'M SURE WE'RE THE PINS AND NEEDLES THERE UNDERNEATH MY FEET OFF OF PINS AND NEEDLES NOW, AND THAT'S WHAT OPTION ONE WAS IS REALLY FOR IS TO HAVE SOMEONE IN THE SEAT THAT CAN KEEP EVERYTHING MOVING THE CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS WHILE CONTEMPLATIONS AND DECISIONS ARE MADE, AND THE THOUGHT PROCESS CONTINUES, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THAT FIRST OPTION IS FOR, AND IT'S MEANT TO BE VERY TEMPORARY. SHORT TERM. I KNOW BECAUSE OF THE QUESTION THAT I BROUGHT UP AND THAT YOU, UM, I THINK REITERATED PEOPLE ARE ASKING WELL, IS THIS IS THIS A DONE? DEAL IS THE HEAD OF THE LET'S PICK ON CHIEF, FOR EXAMPLE, IS AHEAD OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT GOING TO BE THE NEXT CITY MANAGER AGAIN BECAUSE WE HAD ONE. WE HAD SOMEBODY BEFORE, AND PEOPLE ARE ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS. AND IS IT BEST FOR US TO GIVE IT A MONTH OR A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AND SAY, IN FACT, LET ME ASK THIS HAVE WE DECIDED WITH YOU WHEN YOU WERE GOING TO LEAVE , OR IS IT A PART OF THIS WHOLE DEAL FOR YOUR RUNNING OUT OF TIME? WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT? WHAT'S YOUR TIME? I THINK WE NEED TO FIND YOUR TIMEFRAME SO THAT WE CAN SAFE. WE'RE IF WE WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW . HIT THE DEUCE GONE. SORRY CONTRACT REQUIRES ME TO BE DOWN THERE BY MAY, 1ST. MY 60 DAY NOTICE WAS GIVEN ON THE 23RD OF FEBRUARY. SO THE 23RD OF APRIL WOULD BE MY 60 DAY OUT. UM IF YOU FIND SOMEONE WHO'S EXPERIENCED INTERNAL READY TO TAKE OVER, I WOULD LIKE TO BE RELEASED BY THE END OF MARCH SO THAT I CAN HAVE A COUPLE OF WEEKS OFF BEFORE GOING DOWN THERE. THAT ALL DEPENDS ON WHO YOU PICK AS YOUR INTERN, OKAY? ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION OR MAKE A SUGGESTION OR I'D LIKE THE MOTION TO HAVE MIKE MORTELL MOVED TO CITY MANAGER IN TERMS CITY MANAGER IN TERMS CITY MANAGERS, MONTHS, SIX MONTHS. OKAY GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO SEE IF HE LIKES THE ROLE AND WE LIKE HIM AND IT MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION. THAT WE HAVE A THREE MONTH AT THREE MONTHS. WE HAVE A DISCUSSION TO SEE IF HE WE ARE HAPPY. UH I THINK THAT I THINK THAT WAY. IF AT THAT POINT, WE CAN DECIDE IF WE'RE DOING. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST THING. BUT I THINK A SIX MONTH TIME CLOCK IS GREAT AND MAYBE EIGHT OR 3 TO 4 MONTHS OUT HAVE SO THAT WAY WE IF WE WERE DECIDED THAT HE WAS NOT THE FIT, OR HE DECIDES, I'M ACTUALLY MORE WORRIED THAT HE WOULD DECIDE THAT HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE THE MANAGER THAT WE WOULD HAVE TIME TO THEM. SEEK A MANAGER. OKAY?

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SAYING THAT EVALUATION POINT SO MUCH AN EVALUATION BUT SOMEWHAT NOT NOT A FULL BLOWN. WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING REGARDING A SPECIAL MEETING REGARDING WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IT. YOU KNOW, DEPENDING HOW THINGS ARE GOING MIGHT BE. WE DO IT JUST AS A AGENDA ITEM. UM LET ME KNOW WHEN THAT ONE'S ON IT SO I CAN WATCH. CAN YOU LET ME KNOW WHEN THAT'S ON SO I CAN WATCH YOU MIGHT WANT TO COME AND SPEAK UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, UM SO DO LIMITED TO THREE. SO. SO IT'S YEAH. SO, MR MAYOR, SHOULD WE PUT A DATE CERTAIN ON THAT BEGINNING APRIL 1ST. I WOULD ASSUME THAT POSITION. I THINK THAT'S 27TH. I THINK DIRECTION THAT'S GOOD MARCH, 27TH WOULD BE BEFORE YOU'RE NO NO. APRIL 27TH VACATION READY. HE'S READY TO HE'S READY TO ESCAPE. A I'M JUST PULLING UP MY CALENDAR HERE. MIRCHI 31ST IS A FRIDAY. I THINK THAT PROBABLY PERFECT. YES, MA'AM. ADD IT. IF WE DECIDE AGAINST MIKE AND WE WANT TO GO WITH SOMEONE ELSE. I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE SOMEONE LOCAL MICROPHONE. I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE SOMEONE LOCAL ON THE TREASURE COAST. THAT DOES. NO, UM PRETTY MUCH WHAT'S GOING ON? AND NOT FROM ANYONE FROM OUT OF TOWN. I JUST AGREE WITH ALL THAT, UM LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO ALSO LIVE IN LIVE IN THE CITY. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD TELL THEM THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUY A HOME IN THE CITY OF THE BILL WAS SOMEONE ELSE TINY HORN. MAYBE YOU SHOULD BUY A MANAGER'S HOME . YEAH SO THIS IS THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS WITH A THREE MONTH, RIGHT? WOULD YOU CALL IT JUST A CHECKUP? CHICKEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE OF THOSE EVERY TWO WEEKS, BUT WE CAN DO THAT MORE FORMAL ONE. I'M SURE YOU'LL LET US KNOW IF YOU'RE YOU'RE OVER IT AND THEN, UM IF IT DOES WORK OUT. AND WE HAVE TO. WE'RE GOING TO BEGINNING, A LAWYER FOR OUR CITY. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE OUR TIME WITH THAT, AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF DISCUSSION. SO LET'S JUST GO WITH THIS NOW. YEAH NOTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GET BEFORE WE GET INTO A LAWYER. YEAH YEAH, LET'S THAT'S A I THINK THAT THAT'S THAT'S CLEAR THIS UP FIRST. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND LET ME JUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE THIS. MIKE MARTEL. INTERN MANAGER. SIX MONTH TIME CLOCK, THREE MONTHS, CHECK IN AND EFFECTIVE. AH MARCH 31ST, WHICH IS A FRIDAY THE END . UM IS THAT OKAY WITH DJ, CAN I IT'S AND THAT'S SO THAT'S YOUR EMOTIONS THAT YOUR MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND MOTION IS THAT MORE YES. CAN I ADD TO IT THAT HE DOES NOT CONSULT WITH MR BUG BUILD ITS SKIN? OKAY, GO. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLLINS. UM AND MARRIED. YOU UNDERSTAND? THE MOTION HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RICH. DOES EVERYONE ON THE DIET? UNDERSTAND THE MOTION? OKAY NOW, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION? OKAY MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? MR WHERE? YES. COULD I ADD THAT WE DO POST THE POSITION? I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIVED LOCALLY OR LIVE LOCALLY OR WHAT WE WERE DOING THREE MONTHS. THAT'S THE THREE MONTH CHECKUP. THEY DECIDE IF WE WANT TO POST IT. OKAY YOU WANT MORE STUFF IN THE MOTION, BUT THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE THREE MONTH CHECKUP TO SEE SO WE DON'T WANT TO BEGIN THAT PROCESS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE GIVE HIM SIX MONTHS AND THAT WAY WE HAVE THREE MONTHS TO DO THE PROCESS THAT I THINK THE MOTION IS IMPLYING THAT THE VOTERS WANT THAT THE VOTERS WANT TO PERSUADE VOTERS OF THE BOARD WANT TO PURSUE MR MARTEL AS A PERMANENT MANAGER. AND SO AFTER THE THREE MONTHS IF YOU JUST IF HE DECIDES , OR YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO GO IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS THAT POINT YOU WOULD START THE SEARCH PROCESS. I HAPPEN TO KNOW THERE ARE EXPERIENCING THE MANAGERS WHO LIVE IN THE CITY OF STEWART, WHO WOULD HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS POSITION. THEY DIDN'T AND WE'RE SAYING TOUGH. NO WE'RE SAYING THAT SAYING THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE SUING SOMEONE , SOMEONE INTERNALLY THAT WE THINK THAT WOULD TAKE THE THAT WOULD DO A FINE JOB TAKING CARE OF THE CITY. IT IS A TOUGH THING , AND I KNOW YOU SECONDED THE MOTION AND WE DID DISCUSS THE IDEA OF HAVING THE NUMBER ONE WHERE WE HAVE MR BAGLEY OLI COMING AGAIN FOR THE THREE MONTHS AND THEN WE WAIT AND SEE OR WE WAITING, ADVERTISE OR WE WAIT AND SEE AND DO EXACTLY WHAT

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WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. TODAY. THE ISSUE IS SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT I'VE TALKED TO ARE SAYING, WHY AREN'T THEY ADVERTISING? THAT'S THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS. WHAT ARE WE DISCUSSING? IN TERMS OF THE CHARACTERISTICS? WHICH YOU YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PROVIDING THOSE CHARACTERISTICS AND I THINK WHETHER IT'S. WHETHER IT'S MR MARTEL OR ANYBODY ELSE, WHETHER IT'S MISS, UM AND I KNOW THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH ANOTHER PERSON WHO WAS IN THE CITY. UM ARIAN ARENA, MISS. UM BURGER, BUT EITHER EVIL EITHER ONE OF THEM UH OR ANYBODY SOMETIMES IN THIS POSITION, THIS TYPE OF POSITION UNLESS YOU'RE THE POLICE CHIEF OR THE FIRE CHIEF IN A SMALL COMMUNITY LIKE OURS. OR MAYBE, MR. UM EXCUSE ME, MR LEGGETT OR MR LEGGETT OR PROBABLY UTILITIES . YOU WON'T HAVE MORE THAN ONE OR TWO EMPLOYEES. YOU'RE VERY IMPORTANT TO US. BUT YOU HAVE ABOUT THREE OR FOUR EMPLOYEES UNDER YOU. SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT SOMEBODY HAVE LEADERSHIP SKILLS THAT SOMEBODY HAVE YOU KNOW 20 OR 30 OR 40 EMPLOYEES UNLESS YOU'RE IN THAT TYPE OF A POSITION WHERE YOU HAVE A WHOLE POLICE FORCE OR A WHOLE SET OF E. M S AND FIRE RESCUE PEOPLE. YOU WILL NEVER HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S HAD, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THEY'VE BEEN A PRIOR TO THE MANAGER, AND I KNOW THAT MR BERGER HAS THOSE QUALIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN A PRIOR CITY MANAGER AND DEALING WITH THINGS. SO UM, THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS COME UP AND I'LL BRING IT UP SINCE WE'RE DISCUSSING IT . AND SINCE THERE'S A VOTE OUT FOR MR MORTAL, AND I HAVE TALKED PERSONALLY WITH MR MARTEL HIMSELF BECAUSE I WANTED TO FIND OUT IF HE WAS EVEN INTERESTED IN BEING PROMOTED OR BEING INVOLVED WITH THIS, AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, HE'S ASSURED THAT WHETHER THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE THERE THAT MAYBE HE DOESN'T EVEN DEAL WITH ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS BECAUSE AS BEING AN ATTORNEY, THAT BEING IN A DIFFERENT ROLE, AND I'M SO GLAD I MUST APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE, MISS JOHNSON THAT THIS ROLE AND ALL THE CRITERIA THAT YOU PUT OUT FOR THE CITY MANAGER. I'M NOT SURE IF THESE ARE ACTUALLY IN THE GUIDELINES NOW, MR DAYS, BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO. ABSOLUTELY IF WE'RE GOING TO JUDGE MR MARTEL, IF WE DO VOTE ON HIM TODAY, AND WE'RE GONNA JUDGE HIM IN THREE MONTHS OR IN SIX MONTHS THAT HE KNOWS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FROM HIM AS A MANAGER. AS A CITY MANAGER, THAT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THE PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL INTEGRITY, EFFECTIVENESS WITH STAFF. ALL THESE THINGS ARE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, AND BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH OTHER STAFF MEMBERS AND, OF COURSE, LEADERSHIP AND DOING IT IN A STRATEGIC MANNER. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO JUDGE HIM AND EVALUATE HIM, AND WE NEED TO LET HIM KNOW WHAT CRITERIA WE'RE GOING TO BE USED TO LOOK FOR HIM IN THREE MONTHS IF WE DECIDE TO VOTE ON HIM TODAY, SO THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE IN THE PACKAGE. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. WE'RE LOOKING FOR ALL THESE THINGS TO BE DELIVERED AND GOOD IDEAS AND . AFTER THE VOTE. MAYBE I'LL HAVE A TALK WITH MR MARTEL. SO AND I'M SORRY, MR MAYOR. YES JUST HAVE ONE MORE POINT. IT MAY BE SIGNIFICANT IN OUR BOAT.

BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT MR MARTEL WAS ABLE TO CORRECTLY IDENTIFY THE COLOR OF ORANGE ON MY BAG BECAUSE IT DOES SAY, IN FACT, THAT REQUIREMENT OF THIS JOB IS REQUIRES COLOR, PERCEPTION AND DISCRIMINATION. NOT THAT NOT IN THAT MANNER, BUT THE SECOND IS SOUND PERCEPTION, AND THE THIRD IS TEXTURE PERCEPTION. SO IT IS IN THAT SENSE COMMISSIONER FOR THE RECORD, THE COLOR WAS ORANGE. CHANGE. IT WAS OKAY, UM JERRY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COMMISSIONER RICH. YES COLLINS. YES CLARK? YES BRUNER? YES, MR MCDONALD. YES CONGRATULATIONS, MR MARTELLI. THANK YOU GUYS GOT HAVE BIRTHDAY UNDERSTAND? SO WE DO NEED TO DISCUSS THE, UM INTERN AND INTERIM ATTORNEY, UM AND I DID HEAR FROM, YOU KNOW FROM ANY CAPACITY, WHETHER ONE WEEK OR UNTIL WE FIND A CITY ATTORNEY THAT PAUL NICOLETTI WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SERVING US IN ANY CAPACITY THAT WE NEEDED, UM, AND HE HAD SERVED THE CITY FINE OVER THE YEARS,

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AND I THINK AS A ATTORNEY WOULD BE VERY GOOD IN A INTERIM POSITION UNTIL WE TOO WE FIND A PERMANENT REPLACEMENT. I WOULD I WOULD. I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT. I WOULD, UH, MOVE FOR THAT WITH THE PROVISION THAT , UM HE ENSURES OR PROVIDES US WITH A WAY OF GETTING SOMEBODY FOR THE MAGISTRATE OR, HOWEVER, WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THAT, WHETHER IT'S OUR CITY MANAGER BEFORE. HE LEAVES OR UM OR CITY ATTORNEY WHILE HE'S STILL OUR CITY ATTORNEY SO THAT WE GET A MAGISTRATE IN HERE, SO THAT WHOLE SUCCESSION PLAN NEEDS TO BE VERY, VERY CLARIFIED, BUT I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE, UM, MR NICOLETTI AS OUR, UM IN A ROOM CITY ATTORNEY UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO. WITH THAT ATTORNEY POSITION. I SECOND THAT OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? IS THERE ANY PARAMETERS AROUND? WHAT WE'RE GONNA PAY HIM? YEAH WELL, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE. WE SHOULD HAVE THAT GOES MR DIAZ ON HIS WAY OUT. CAN UH, NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT AND WE COME BACK? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HOURLY, OR IF YOU GUYS BOTH OF THEM, CONTRACTOR WHAT DO YOU WANT? SO I THINK HE WOULD. I THINK HE WOULD. HE LIVES IN THE CITY, AND HE LOVES THIS CITY. AND I THINK HE WOULD BE FAIR. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE SURPRISED HOW FAIR THAT HE WILL BE TO COME IN, AND I JUST NEED TO DETERMINE IF IT'S GOING TO BE OUR EARLIER WHAT IT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE EARLY ENOUGH FOR THE MAGISTRATE. WE ALSO HAVE WE DO HAVE A BACKUP MAGISTRATE THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED AND THEN HE HAD SUGGESTED A SECOND BACKUP MAGISTRATE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT WE JUST NEVER GOT AROUND TO ADDING, UM, SO THERE'S TWO OTHER MAGISTRATES SO WE COULD HAVE. WE SHOULD PROBABLY, UH, SO I THINK THAT I THINK IN OUR EARLY WEIGHT WOULD PROBABLY BE BESTEST FOR NOW, AND WE JUST USE THEM AS WE NEED THEM. FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. YEAH IT IS, IS TO HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY THAT CAN ACTUALLY MEANINGFUL ANSWER. MEANINGFULLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS AT MEETINGS, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO NEED TO DEDICATE. TIME OUTSIDE OF THOSE EVERY OTHER MONDAY, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE YOU MAY WANT TO PICK A NUMBER OF HOURS THAT YOU WANT PER WEEK AND WE CAN PROBABLY DISCUSSED THAT BETWEEN NOW AND MARCH 31ST AND ADDRESS IT MORE SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, AS WE GET CLOSER TO WHEN DAVID DEPARTS BECAUSE FROM NOW UNTIL HE DEPARTS, I WILL STILL BE SERVING US TO THE ATTORNEY ANYWAY. HE THAT'S TRUE, AND HE MAY PREFER A YOU KNOW, MONTHLY FLAT RATE RATHER THAN I WAS WONDERING WHAT HE WAS DOING OUT IN INDIAN TIME BECAUSE I THINK HE DID SOMETHING OUT OF INDIAN. CAN WE FIND THAT OUT, MR DAVIS AND SEE IF WE CAN GET A PROPOSAL? IF HE ACCEPTS? I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT I THINK MR NICOLETTI MIGHT BE IN GOOD SHAPE TO DO THIS, BUT WE CAN FIND OUT FROM HIM. IF NOT, WE'LL COME BACK TO THE TABLE. AGAIN AND WITH REGARD TO, MR UM MORE TALES. TEMPORARY CONTRACT AND THE THINGS THAT HE'S DOING. WHEN DO WE GET TO WORK ON THAT IS THAT TODAY ALSO OR DO WE GET A PROPOSAL FROM DIDN'T HAVE ANY INTENTION. TO CHANGE MY CONTRACT. BECAUSE IF YOU DECIDED NOT. TO HIRE ME OR MAKE ME A PERMANENT CITY MANAGER. THEN THERE'S REALLY NO POINT IN NEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT. WHEN YOU GET TO THAT THREE MONTH REVIEW IF THE COMMISSION DECIDES THAT THEY DO WANT TO PURSUE ME BEING CITY MANAGER WE COULD DISCUSS THE TERMS THEN OR THE HR DIRECTOR WOULD PROBABLY DO, UH, RESEARCH OR WHATEVER THEY DO FOR THAT POSITION AT THAT TIME. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF AFTER THE 31ST OF MARCH IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ACTIVE LITIGATION, YOU WOULD STILL GET YOUR LITIGATION BUDGET IS REALLY, REALLY YOU COULD. IT'S REALLY NOT MUCH. IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT GETS SPENT ON IT. BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT NO MATTER WHAT, I'M GOING TO BE TRYING THAT, UH, NORTHPOINT CASE IN MAY AND I'M GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN A WATER CASE IN JUNE , SO AND I'M WHATEVER APPEAL COMES OUT OF THE CANNER CASE. I COULDN'T TRANSFER THAT TO ANOTHER. ANY OF THOSE THREE CASES TO ANOTHER ATTORNEY RIGHT NOW WOULD BE UNFAIR TO THE CITY AND UNFAIR TO THOSE ATTORNEYS AS WELL BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T PICK UP AT THIS POINT AND JUST START DOING IT. SO THE TRUTH IS FROM NOW UNTIL AT LEAST JULY. I WILL BE DOING LITIGATION. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT. AND I DIDN'T LOOK AT MY PAPERWORK. BUT YES, POTENTIAL CONFLICTS AND, OF COURSE, CONTINUING WITH CASELOAD . BUT EVEN IF YOU CONTINUE WITH CASELOAD FOR THE CITY I WANT TO, AT LEAST BY YOUR THREE MONTHS. UM MARK THAT YOU TELL US AND THAT WE ALSO DICTATE THAT YOU NO LONGER DO ANY PRIVATE CASES. SURE. THAT WAS EASY. OKAY ALL

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RIGHT. SO UM AND THERE MIGHT BE OTHER THINGS, TOO, BUT I'LL FORGET THEM, BUT I'LL TALK TO ROSSLYN SO SHE CAN GET HIM OFF TOO. I COULD TELL YOU BUT YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU WANT ME TO COMPLETELY BY THE END OF MARCH, NOT DO LITIGATION AND YOU NEED TO HIRE PAUL AT A MUCH HIGHER RATE RIGHT NOW. I THINK THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL LIKE FOR LIKE AS AN ATTORNEY WEEKS.

CAN I JUST STEP IN AND QUICKLY? OKAY CURRENT CONTRACT WITH MIKE THAT'S STILL GOING TO BE VALID.

YES AND WHEN I STEPPED INTO THE ROLE, I DIDN'T GET A TEMPORARY CONTRACTOR AND INTERIM CONTRACT.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I THINK I MIGHT HAVE GOT A PERCENTAGE FOR ACTING IN A HIGH CAPACITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT GIVE THAT TO MIKE. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OR YOU COULD CONSIDER HIS HIS LITIGATION FEE THAT THAT TEMPORARY INCREASE EITHER ONE OF THE TWO WORKS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT YOU SHOULD GO CHANGING THE TERMS OF HIS CURRENT CONTRACT LIKE SAYING YOU CAN'T DO ANY OUTSIDE WORK OF HIS CURRENT CONTRACT ALLOWS THEM TO DO THAT UNTIL HE'S UNDER A NEW CONTRACT.

I AGREE BECAUSE ITS CURRENT CONTRACT SAYS THAT ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S MORE WORK FOR ME TO THINK ABOUT WHEN THE NEXT 3 TO 6 MONTHS, UM UH, DAVID JUST BROUGHT UP SOMETHING THAT I MAYBE I'LL HAVE TO THINK, UH, HAVE TO REMEMBER IT, BUT, UH, I'M GONNA I'M GONNA KIND OF KEEP THIS ON TRACK HERE. THERE'S WE HAVE, IF ANYTHING ELSE ON THE JUST REGARDING THE MOTION FOR PAUL NICOLETTI TO BE IN TERMS CITY ATTORNEY. YES HAVE SOMETHING, MR MAYOR, MR. MARTEL HAVE YOU EVER WORKED IN THE PAST WITH MR NICOLETTI ONCE OR TWICE A LITTLE BOTH FOR MYSELF AND THE PUBLIC? AND SO, UM, YEAH, HE WAS I WAS, UH AT THE CITY WHEN PAUL WAS HIRED, AND HE SERVED FOR THE CITY FOR MANY YEARS AS CITY ATTORNEY. AND THEN PAUL BECAME CITY MANAGER AND WHEN THE COMMISSION CITY COMMISSIONER, AND HE WAS AND HE WAS YOUR CITY ATTORNEY, AND THEN WHEN I BECAME CITY ATTORNEY HE WAS THE CITY MANAGER. AND I WORKED WITH HIM FROM 2013 UNTIL 2000 AND THE END OF 16 OR BEGINNING OF 17. I BELIEVE IT WAS UM, AS THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY. BUT I ALSO WORKED WITH HIM WHEN HE WAS THE CITY ATTORNEY. AND SO YOU FORESEE. NO DIFFICULTY WORKING WITH MR NICOLETTI IS MY CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT WHATSOEVER FACT I'VE SPOKEN TO HIM RECENTLY, AND HE'S ALSO BEEN SERVING AS OUR MAGISTRATE FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS. UH FOR THE ENFORCEMENT, SO I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM AS THE CITY ATTORNEY. I'M VERY HAPPY TO HAVE MR NICOLETTI SERVING BECAUSE HE'S MY NEIGHBOR WOULD GET TO YOU JUST ONE SECOND , CHRIS. UM WELL, I WOULD GUESS HE WAS WHEN YOU BECAME CITY ATTORNEY WAS A BIT OF A MENTOR AS WELL. VERY MUCH. SO, YEAH.

SO, CHRIS I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY ONE OF PROBABLY MY MOST FAVORITE PART OF THIS JOB SO FAR HAS BEEN A SITTING IN MIKE'S OFFICE AND JUST TRYING TO GLEAN AND LEARN AND UNDERSTAND, SO I CAN DO THIS JOB BETTER. AND WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR MR NICOLETTI PAYMENT STRUCTURE. I HOPE THAT.

I WOULD LOVE FOR HIM TO BE SITTING IN THAT OFFICE AND TO BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME THING. UM, TOWARDS NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE A PER HOUR SITUATION ON TO MONDAY'S A MONTH. I WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT SAME TIME WITH HIM TO LEARN AND RETIRED. I KNOW BUT TO GET ALL OF THAT HISTORY IS SO RICH. DEFINITELY HAS. HE DOES. HE HAS THAT. SO ON THAT NOTE, WE HAVE A WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. UM, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. MARY. FACE MAYOR BRUNER. YES COMMISSIONER CLARK? YES COMMISSIONER. RICH MCDONALD COLLINS? YES WHO WANTS TO CALL PAUL AND GIVE HIM THE BAD NEWS? IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, UH, MEETING ADJOURNED. CAN I JUST SAY THAT? I DON'T USE THAT SAME TIME FOR MR DAVIS. BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK MS AGAIN, MISS JOHNSON FOR HELPING ME THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AND TO HELP AND, UM MANY OF THE PUBLIC MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT MR MORTAL, EVEN THOUGH HE'S BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME AS A CITY COMMISSIONER AS A ATTORNEY, AND WHAT YOU KNOW WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO GET THE WORD OUT THERE AND TO GET THINGS GOING, I THINK THERE WILL BE A POSITIVE THING, AND I KNOW THAT WILL PROBABLY NOW HEAR FROM PEOPLE AFTER TODAY. WHAT WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND I WANT TO THANK MR BUGLIOSI FOR ALWAYS DID IN THE WINGS AND WAITING AND WORKING, AND THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN YOUR JOB IF WE HADN'T MADE A DECISION TODAY. SO WE THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO ALWAYS

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YOU KNOW, TAKE ON THIS POSITION . SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM AND FOR ALL THE OTHER, UM, STAFF. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE STAFF. THIS IS A NEW DAY IN THE CITY OF STEWART. RESIDENTS. THIS IS A NEW DAY. AND COME APRIL 1ST FOR GOOD OR BAD, WHATEVER THAT MEANS TO PEOPLE. UM WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME MORE TELL AND WE WANT TO HAVE FULL CORPORATION AND REALLY, I DON'T WANT STAFF TO BE YOU DON'T THINK BEING SQUEAMISH BECAUSE WE HAVE NEW MANAGEMENT BUT THAT WE'RE ALL GOING TO TRY TO WORK TOGETHER. WE NEED TO KEEP OUR SHIP IN SHIPSHAPE AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE NEED EVERYBODY'S HELP. EVERYBODY'S GUIDANCE. EVERYBODY'S KNOWLEDGE AGAIN. MR PERRY CAME UP TODAY OUT OF HIS OWN GOODWILL, AND HE SAID SOMETHING THAT REALLY RESONATES WITH ME. AND THAT WE ARE A COMMUNITY AND WE ARE. WE'RE WHO WE ARE, AND WE NEED TO KEEP STEWART STRONG AND KEEP STEWART SHINING AS A BEACON AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK TO MR MORTAL FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS UNTIL WE DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT IF WE DO. THANK YOU, MR MARTEL AND MR DAVIS. AND THAT THAT MEETING ADJOURNED.

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