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GO AHEAD AND GAVEL. GOOD EVENING . THE MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER CHAIRMAN. THE WORLD CUP, PLEASE. LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY CHAIR, LORRAINE FACE CHAIR. BRUMFIELD HERE, WOZ. OH CHAIR BOARD MEMBER, JOBY HERE, REMEMBER MATHERS. BOARD MEMBER STRONG BOARD MEMBER STOCKY HERE.
THANK YOU. WE'LL DO THE PLEASURE FOR ALLEGIANCE. GOOD RELATIONS GOING PLACE. THE UNITED STATES THERE. REPUBLIC WHICH STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD. WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY? WILL
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NOW HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. ON THE AGENDA. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.FOR THE 2ND 2ND. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND NOW WE'LL HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE
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VOTE. OH LET'S HAVE THE VOTE. PLEASE SORRY. YOU CAN DO IT ALL IN FAVOR. ALL IN PAPER. I OKAY? AND NOW WE'LL HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY. 9TH 2023 I'LL MOVE THOSE APPROVED.I'LL SECOND. OH, SORRY. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OKAY ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? MORE COMMENTS. NO, OKAY. AND ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD NON AGENDA ITEMS. NONE OKAY, SO NOW
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WE GO ONTO ACTION ITEMS. GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MY NAME IS JERRY NETWORK.COOGLER. I AM YOUR DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. I WILL BE PRESENTING THE ITEMS, THE ACTION ITEMS 12 AND THREE SEPARATELY. THE FIRST ONE YOU HAVE ON YOUR AGENDA IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. TEXT AMENDMENT. AND THIS IS RELATING BACK TO THE ZONING AND PROGRESS THAT WAS PLACED SOMETIME LAST YEAR IN OCTOBER. ON OCTOBER 10TH 2022, THE CITY OF STUART CITY COMMISSION ADOPTED A RESOLUTION TO DECLARE A ZONING AND PROGRESS. WHICH REQUIRED WHICH DECLARED NO PLANS, PERMITS, LICENSES OR ZONING IN PROGRESS AND ORTHO ZONING AND PROGRESS AND DIRECTED STAFF TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE LAND OF ALMA CODE REGULATIONS. ADDRESSING SECTION 2.7 POINT 00 FRIENDS. I WHICH INCLUDES DENSITY AND PARKING CALCULATIONS WITHIN THE URBAN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THE CITY COMMISSION DIRECTED STAFF TO DRAFT TAX AMENDMENTS ADDRESSING THE DENSITY AND PARKING CALCULATIONS. UM THIS HAS HAD MULTIPLE SERIES OF WORKSHOPS. THE BOARD DID EXTEND THE ZONING IN PROGRESS BACK IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. SO WE ARE NOW BRINGING THE RESOLUTIONS. AH TO ENFORCE OUR TWO ADOPT SOME OF THOSE CHANGES. THE FIRST ONE IS
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THIS IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENT, WHICH COMES OUT OF WHICH IS YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. AH POLICY. 1.8 POINT 7.2. TALKS ABOUT GROSS DENSITY. SPECIFICALLY GOES TO THE LENS DENSITY TABLES, INTENSITIES. AND THERE'S A PORTION IN THAT POLICY THAT STATES AT THE BOTTOM, IT SAYS IN ACCORDANCE TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER TWO SECTION 207.TABLE 2.7 POINT. EIGHT WITHIN THE URBAN PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. CALCULATES DENSITY AND PARKING SPACE CALCULATIONS. WE ARE STRIKING. WE ADDED THE LANGUAGE YOU'LL SEE EVERYTHING THAT'S UNDERLINED, IS ADDED LANGUAGE. AND EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN THAT'S BEEN STRIKETHROUGH IS RECOMMENDED TO BE DELETED. THE LAST PORTION OF THAT SENTENCE, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT PER UNIT PER UNIT PER UNITS LESS THAN 900 SQUARE FEET AND 9000.75 DENSITY PER LESS THAN 1 1100 SQUARE FEET. STAFF BELIEVES THAT THIS IS MORE APPROPRIATE IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES. THIS IS JUST A POLICY THAT IS THE INTENT. SO WE'RE REQUESTING THAT TO BE STRIKING AND ADDED SOME LANGUAGE. UM WE ALSO IN YOUR PACKET, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE TABLE HAS BEEN MODIFIED. AND THAT TABLE HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO ADDRESS THE, UM THE FORM BASED CODES THAT WE JUST RECENTLY ADOPTED FOR THE E. STEWART DISTRICT AND THE NEW, UM CREEKSIDE DISTRICT. AND WE FELT IT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE TO CLEAN UP THAT LANGUAGE. THERE'S NO
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CHANGES TO DENSITY. IT'S JUST CHANGING SOME CLEANUP. SOME FOOTNOTES. THAT UM, STAFF INTERPRETING THAT CODE WAS KIND OF DIFFICULT. AND IT'S JUST GETS CLARIFICATION. WITH THAT THE THIS PETITION. CONFORMS TO THE CRITERIA SET FORTH AN 11.1 POINT 07. OF THE STUART LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, FLORIDA STATUES AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES. OF THE CITY OF STEWART COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE LOCAL PLANNING PLANNING AGENCY FOR THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COMMISSION. FOR THEIR FIRST FOR FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE. AND THIS JUST THIS WAS ADVERTISED. THIS PUBLIC HEARING WAS ADVERTISED IN THE MARCH 3RD. TC PALM. I HAVE A QUESTION. SURE. I MISSED. WE'RE DOING THESE ONE AT A TIME. THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS THE THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. MY QUESTION IS SO YOU'VE SHIFTED OUT OF THE BECAUSE MANAGING PLAN INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DENSITY SO YOU DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION LIKE YOU USED TO IN THERE OR WHETHER IT'S HAPPY UNITS. YOU JUST TOOK THAT OUT. CORRECT MY THINKING ABOUT THAT, RIGHT OR NOT? IN YOUR POLICY STILL HAS A DEFINITION AND IT APPLIES TO IT JUST GIVES YOU A GENERAL. HOWEVER YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOULD JUST GET YOUR GENERAL POLICY. I AGREE . AND IF ANYTHING, CHANGES WITHIN YOUR TABLE YOUR YOUR DENSITY AND 10 CITY TABLES WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE WON'T HAVE TO AMEND THIS POLICY EACH TIME IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO PUT WHAT I THOUGHT. AND I AGREE. DID YOU AMEND THE DENSITY THAN IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE? YES THAT WILL BE THE NEXT ITEM. OKAY. ALRIGHT, I'LL WAIT TILL THEN. HOWEVER IN YOUR I DIDN'T HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN. BUT IN EUROPE PACKET, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S A TABLE AS WELL. THAT WAS JUST SOME CLEANUP LANGUAGE FROM YOUR FORM BASED CODE THAT WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED. THERE'S NO THERE'S JUST SOME CLEANUP ITEMS. I'M A STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. THANKS. CAN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION? OF COURSE. SO BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS, AND ALSO THE NEXT ORDINANCE CHANGE IN LIGHT OF SB 102, AND I'VE GIVEN EVERYONE A BREAKDOWN OF TWO OF THE IMPORTANT ITEMS FROM THAT BILL. THERE'S MANY I THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE STAND ALONE AS WE WERE DOING IT. IN CONJUNCTION WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF 102 HAS PASSED. COULD BE DEVASTATING FOR US, AND I THINK THAT MAKING SQUARE FOOTAGE DENSITY PARKING LESS COULD ONLY IN FACT, WIND UP, DOUBLING IT. SO I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY DISCUSS THIS. MAYBE GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. IN RELATION TO 102 AND WHAT'S HAPPENING AND REDRAFT THE LANGUAGE IN THIS YEAH. YES. IN WITHOUT EVEN IN REGARD TO ONE OR TWO. THIS WHOLE CONCEPT OF FRACTIONAL UNITS. FOR QUOTE UNQUOTE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A BIG FLAW. THE SMALLER UNIT DOES NOT HAVE LESS IMPACT ON OUR TRAFFIC DOES NOT HAVE LESS IMPACT ON OUR PARKING IS A BIG WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WITH 10,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE IS THAT YOU KNOW, HAVE TO PEOPLE LIVING IN THEM AND WE'VE GOT WHEN YOU BIG GRILL TINY YEARS THAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD. YOU COULD HAVE FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE LIVING IN THOSE LITTLE TINY ONES, SO THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO CORRELATION BETWEEN THE SIZE OF THE UNIT.AND THE IMPACT ON THE CITY, SO I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANY FRACTIONAL UNITS. I THINK A DWELLING UNIT IS A DWELLING UNIT IS A DWELLING UNIT. AND IF YOU WANT TO HAVE AN EFFICIENCY APARTMENT, PUT IT IN A HOTEL DISTRICT. DON'T PUT IT IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AND THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I DON'T NOT IN FAVOR OF ANY ZONING CODE OR LAND LAND USE DESIGNATION. THAT ALLOWS YOU TO BUILD SMALLER UNITS AND CALL IT HALF THE UNIT WE'VE GOT. WE'VE GOT A MESS IN THIS TOWN WITH TRAFFIC. AND THIS IS ONLY GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE AND REALLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO INSTEAD OF BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING TOMORROW'S SLUMS. THAT'S MY OPINION. I CAN'T VOTE FOR THIS. THANK YOU. JUST SOME BACKGROUND OF THIS LANGUAGE WAS ADDED TO THE CODE. I THINK AROUND 2018 IF I'M MR MARTEL MIGHT KNOW WHAT THE EXACT DATE UM I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE RIGHT NOW. YES SO THIS WAS TO PROMOTE, UM DENSITY BONUS AND, UM, I MEAN, THE BOARD COULD, UM STRIKE THE LANGUAGE AND JUST WRITE THE ENTIRE LANGUAGE OF THE SECTION THAT ADDRESSES HAPPY UNITS. THE REASON WE'RE HERE. BECAUSE IN NOVEMBER, CITY COMMISSIONER ASKED, ENTERED A ZONING AND PROGRESS. PROGRESS LAST YEAR TO COME TO THE MIC, MR MARTEL, THE MIC. YOU CAN HEAR ME YOUR CLERK IS THE RECORD. JUST HELPING HER,
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UH, PUT YOU ON THE RECORD KILLING ME. SHE DOES IT EVERY TIME ANYWAY. MARY KINDLE FOR THE RECORD. UH THE REASON WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE IN NOVEMBER, THE CITY COMMISSION ENTERED A ZONING AND PROGRESS AND THE ZONING IN PROGRESS WAS AT THE BEGINNING FOR 90 DAYS, AND THAT WAS EXTENDED, BUT TO EXTEND IT. THEY GAVE DIRECTION TO THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. NOT TO DELETE THE HALF UNITS BUT TO ADJUST. THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM WHATEVER SHE DID THE 900 PARTIAL AND THE. ALSO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ACCORDINGLY. I SPOKE WITH MS JOBE THIS WEEK AS WELL AS IT RELATES TO SENATE BILL ONE. OH, TWO, AND SHE HAD MENTIONED THAT SHE HAD SOME CONCERNS, AND I RECOMMENDED THAT SHE BRING THEM UP BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE L P. A IS THE ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY COMMISSION. BUT AS A AS A POINT OF BACKGROUND I WAS JUST POINTING OUT TO THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR ISN'T JUST ARBITRARILY COMING FORWARD AND MAKING THESE ADJUSTMENTS BASED UPON DIRECTION FROM THE CITY COMMISSION, AND THAT'S WHAT BRINGS US HERE. WE HAVE FULLY BLUR OF THAT, AND WE'RE NEW MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UNDERSTAND? EVER DOING THIS FRACTIONAL. UNIT STUFF LIKE THAT. I MEAN, IT'S JUST THIS JUST LED TO THE PROBLEM WE'VE GOT NOW WE'RE CROWDED STREETS. AND MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE GO TELL US THAT THE COMMISSION TO ELIMINATE ALL FRACTIONAL FRACTIONAL UNITS AND JUST GO BACK TO ONE FOR ONE WITH THE SAME REQUIREMENTS FOR A BIG UNIT IS A SMALL UNIT. YOU CANNOT ZONE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT DOESN'T WORK. ZONING WILL NOT MAKE HOUSING AFFORDABLE. IT'LL JUST MAKE A LOT MORE HOUSING UNITS WITH THE SAME PEOPLE CAN TRIP OF COMPETING FOR THE OVERTAX ROADS. THIS IS MY OPINION. I'M NEW TO THE BOARD AND I WAS IN THE BLOOD REPORT IN 2018, AND I'M NOT LOOKING FOR IT. NOW MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO GO BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND SAY, ELIMINATE FRACTIONAL UNITS PERIOD. I'M ALSO NEW TO THE BOARD. BUT UM, I HAVE A HISTORY WITH THIS TYPE OF LEGISLATION. I LIVED IN CONNECTICUT FOR MANY YEARS AND IN 1989, AND I DID PRESENT MY STORY TO BOTH THE MARTIN COMMISSIONERS AND THE STUART COMMISSIONERS OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS IN 1989, THE STATE OF CONNECTICUT PASSED IN FAVOR OF DOING AFFORDABLE HOUSING BILL THAT'S CALLED A 30 G. WELL THIS IS 30 SOMETHING YEARS LATER, IT DID NOT FIX AFFORDABLE HOUSING.ALL IT'S REALLY DONE IS TO OVERCROWD SMALL TOWNS DO AWAY WITH SETBACKS DO AWAY WITH PARKING RESTRICTIONS. EVEN WETLANDS COULD BE AFFECTED, AND SO THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO REALLY BENEFITED FROM THESE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE EVER BENEFIT FROM THESE TYPES OF LAWS ARE THE BUILDERS WHO COME IN BUILD. THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY AND THEY LEAVE THEIR TOWN TO LEAVE THE TOWN AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO TRY AND PROTECT SOME OF WHAT THE REASON WE'RE ALL HERE IN STUART OR PEOPLE GROWING UP GROWING UP HERE AND LOVE IT IS TO KEEP THAT LITTLE SMALL TOWN FLAVOR THAT WE HAVE LEFT. UM OTHERWISE WE WILL. WITH SB 102 AND CHANGING DENSITY LAWS AND PARKING AND FRACTIONAL UNITS WILL BE BASICALLY GOING ALONG WITH THE STATE AND CREATING A TOWN THAT WE WON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE IN ABOUT FIVE YEARS.
SO I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF MAKING ANY OF THESE CHANGES, EITHER. THIS IS THE REASON WE HAVE THIS BILL IN THE HOUSE IS BECAUSE OF THE ATTITUDES OF THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T WILLING TO ACCEPT AND GROWTH IS COMING HERE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYBODY BELIEVES THAT WHAT LITTLE GROWTH THAT'S OCCURRED IN STORE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, POSSIBLY BE CONTRIBUTING TO THIS TRAFFIC THAT YOU'RE SEEING. IT ISN'T HERE. IT'S IMPORTANT. LUCY IT'S NORTH OF US, AND IT'S SOUTH OF US. WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT MANY UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN CEO IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO CREATE AND MANAGE TRAFFIC THAT YOU'RE HERE. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW IF MY PARENTS WERE STILL ALIVE, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A HALF UNIT BEHIND MY HOUSE RIGHT NOW TO PUT THEM IN. I TOTALLY HAVE SUPPORTED THIS ALL ALONG. THE TREND IN HOUSING IS ALWAYS BEEN IS COMING DOWNSIZING. ALL I HEAR IS THAT WE WANT, YOU KNOW 10,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSES AND HIGH COST HOUSES IN MARK AND THE CITY STORED AND MARTIN COUNTY, SO I THINK IT'S WORKED FINE FOR SINCE 2018 AND I THINK IT SHOULD CONTINUE. BUT THIS ATTITUDE IS WHY THE LEGISLATORS ARE CREATING THESE BILLS BECAUSE WE AREN'T ACCEPTING OUR RESPONSIBILITIES IN TOWNS TO ACCEPT THE GROWTH THAT'S COMING TO THE STATE, WHICH WE CAN'T STOP RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE, NOT ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY THAT WANT TO WALK THROUGH THE DOOR. SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT TO A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT GOT HERE, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS AGO. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'VE BEEN DRIVING AROUND, BUT I SEE FOUR STORY MULTI UNIT APARTMENT BUILDINGS BEING BUILT EVERYWHERE
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IN STUART STUART IS THE WORST. MAC NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN CEO. SO THE TRAFFIC YOU'RE SAYING ISN'T FROM THOSE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES WHEN THEY ALL MOVE IN. IT'S GONNA BE HORRIBLE. I THINK THE STATE IS TRYING TO FIX THE PROBLEM. BUT THERE IS NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL. I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE STATE COULD MAKE THE SAME RULINGS FOR LARGE TOWNS AS THEY CAN FOR SMALL.JUST IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THIS ONE. OH, TWO. WE'RE REALLY GONNA NEED TO DOWNSIZE EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT IN STUART. IF THE GUIDELINES ARE TO BE TIED INTO THE HIGHEST AND MOST DENSITY, SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO BE ABLE TO REACT TO THAT LEFT OUT OF THIS BILL IS THE FACT THAT 40% OF THE UNITS TO GET THESE DENSITIES HAS TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING LANGUAGE ISN'T IN HERE. AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT GOING TO BE BUILT IN STUART, FLORIDA. I'M SORRY.
IT'S NOT THERE'S A LOT OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE HERE ARE AFFORDABLE NOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE WHEN THE MASSES MOVE IN. AS THE COST OF TAXES AND INSURANCE WILL BE THROUGH THE ROOF. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT JUST A DIFFERENCE OF PERSPECTIVE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE ON IT. WELL 40% OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IMPACTED BY THE 40 40% THAT ARE SMOKING COMPACTED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WILL ALSO FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS . IF THEY MEET THAT CRITERIA WILL HAVE AN ADVIL ORUM OF TAX THEY WILL NOT HAVE TAX IS MY UNDERSTANDING. UH, SO THE AGAIN . MIKE MARTEL, THE SENATE BILL ONE. OH, TWO, IS IT READS? TO BE EXEMPT FROM ADVIL, OR, UM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT 501 C THREE IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUSINESS AND 100% OF YOUR UNITS QUALIFY FOR MAD OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH IRONICALLY IS WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU'RE GETTING THE TAX CREDITS TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ON IT, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE BILL THAT EITHER BUT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THE 40% DOESN'T NECESSARILY WAVE YOUR EXEMPTIONS. IT'S THAT 40% RULE IS WHAT UNDER THIS PROPOSED LAW. REQUIRES THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. TO ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED THE PROJECT WITHOUT ALLOWING IT TO GO TO PUBLIC HEARING. SO SHE'S NOT ALLOWED TO PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE CITY COMMISSION TO VOTE. IF 40% OF THE UNITS ARE GOING TO DECLARE IT IS AFFORDABLE FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL DO THE PRESENTATION TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION THE OTHER DAY AND SAID THAT A FAMILY OF FOUR OR TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATHROOM CONDO IN MARTIN COUNTY. THE AMI IS $84,000 AND 120% OF THAT TO MEET THE STATUTE IS $100,800. AND THEN 30% OF THAT GOING TOWARD RENT IS 30,000, OR $33,000, WHICH MAKES THE RENT 2580 OR $2570. A MONTH OR LOWER IS WHAT THE RENT HAS TO BE FOR 40% OF THE UNITS. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT STAFF HAD AT THE CITY OF STEWART WAS, LET'S ASSUME I WALKED IN, AND I SAID, HEY, I WANT TO BUILD A 10 4 STORY BUILDING. AND I'M GONNA MAKE 50% OF THE UNITS AFFORDABLE. AND THEN, AS SOON AS ITS CEO SAID, YOU KNOW, I'VE CHANGED MY MIND. I'M GONNA CHARGE $5000, A UNIT. I'M NOT SURE HOW WE WHO'S IN CHARGE OF LOOKING AT THE RECORDS AND THE BOOKS AND KEEPING TRACK OF WHAT THE RENTS ARE BEING PAID . AND HOW WOULD WE COULD ENFORCE THEM? THEY WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE THERE WITHIN THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS THAT WITHIN THE SETBACKS THAT WITHIN ALL THE STUFF, SO THERE IS NO REAL REMEDY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ANYWAY. BUT THAT 40% I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS REALLY THE TAXATION. PART OF IT IS MORE COMPLICATED. THANK YOU BROTHERS. YEAH, I THINK PART OF THIS, I CAN SAY. WELL. YEARS AGO. ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAD WAS THAT THE THESE COMBS SOME OF THE APARTMENTS. ALRIGHT THEY'RE COMING IN WIFE AND HUSBAND AND THEY HAD TWO KIDS THAT COULD DRIVE RIGHT? SO SUDDENLY PARKING FOR A YOUNGER FAMILY WITH KIDS. BECAME AN ISSUE. SO NOW HOW YOU GONNA HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX? IF YOU GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUNG COUPLES AND STUFF AND THEY NEED THREE OR FOUR PARKING SPACES WHEN WE GIVE THEM ONE, RIGHT SO WHAT TURNED OUT WAS WE STARTED GETTING INTO ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES. CONGREGATE CARE FACILITIES, OKAY. AND AT THAT POINT, THE MAJORITY NOT WELL. THE MAJORITY ENDS UP NOT EVEN HAVING A VEHICLE. SO WE SAID, WELL, WE CAN REDUCE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT AGE GROUP, RIGHT? OKAY SO I THINK A LOT OF IT HAS AGED DETERMINATION. IF YOU'VE GOT YOUNGER GROUPS, YOU NEED MORE PARKING. IF THEY'RE ELDERLY CAN USE YOUR LESS PARKING BY REALITY. BUT I THINK PART OF THIS IS AIMED AT BECAUSE IT MENTIONS ALL THE TIME ABOUT, UH, WITHIN PROXIMITY, PROXIMITY OF A MASS TRANSIT SAY RIGHT SO
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IF WE HAD A BUS STOP THAT WAS ROUTED, YOU KNOW, FROM CITY TO CITY OR SOMETHING, AND IF YOU PUT A FACILITY CLOSE TO IT, BUT THEN A LOT OF THE RENTERS MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH VEHICLES, RIGHT? BUT THEY COULD USE THE MASS TRANSIT. RIGHT TRAIN STATION. SO IN THE BIGGER CITIES, THIS COMPLIES MUCH EASIER TO THAT AREA THAN IT DOES TO THE CITY OF STEWART, WHERE WE'RE VEHICLE BOUND. NOT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY TRUE MASS TRANSIT AND STUFF. SO WHATEVER WE PUT IN, STILL HAS TO BE LOOKED AT. IS IT GOING TO HAVE A YOUNGER GROUP WITH CHILDREN? OR IS IT GOING TO BE AN ELDERLY GROUP? THAT PARKING? UH, YOU KNOW, AND TRAFFIC REFERS TO THE LAST OF THE DENSITY, RIGHT? IT COULD BE A LOT MORE PEOPLE A LOT LESS TRAFFIC, NOT LESS VEHICLES, RIGHT? SO I THINK IN WHATEVER WE DO YOU'RE LOOKING AT AGE GROUPS IN THIS IN THE CITY OF STEWART, RIGHT, AND THEY CHANGE CHANGE. YOUNG PEOPLE GET OLD AND OLD PEOPLE DIE. CORRECT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BUT THAT'S THE BEST REASON THEY CAN STAY IN STORE CSI. YES, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO PUT THAT AS WE GET BIGGER PEOPLE ARE THE WORKFORCE IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE IN. STEWART WILL HAVE TO LIVE IN OUTLYING AREAS AND TAKE PUBLIC TRANSIT IN LIKE THEY DO IN BIG CITIES. BUT I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THE WHOLE THE WHOLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND USE CODE NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY REBEL WITHOUT NOT PIECEMEAL BECAUSE IT'S FRACTIONAL UNITS OF REALLY CAN'T BELIEVE WE EVER DID THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO CORRELATION AT ALL BETWEEN THE IMPACT OF A SMALL UNIT IN A BIG, YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW, IT'S RATHER IRONIC THAT EACH TIME WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND WE TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND THEN WE. WE WE ALWAYS SAID WELL, THE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM PORT SAINT LUCIE. THAT PROBLEM IS NEVER GOING TO BE SOLVED IF STEWART DOES NOT BECOME AN ACTIVE PART OF PROVIDING HOUSING FOR YOUNGER INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE THE YOUNGER INDIVIDUAL WILL STILL MOVE TO PORT SAINT LUCIE AND KEEP COMING TO STEWART TO WORK. I RECALL A FEW MONTHS BACK. ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS WAS PRIOR BOARD MEMBERS WAS ADVOCATING, UM, CONSIDERING REDESIGN IN OUR COMMUNITY TO ACCOMMODATE YOUNGER PEOPLE, BY, UM, PROVIDING MORE WALK ABILITY , MORE BIKING. I READ A FEW YEARS BACK OFF. UM A CITY OVER, UM, IN THE MIDDLE OF FLORIDA, WHERE THEY LITERALLY DID THAT THEY WENT OUT AND DELIBERATELY REDESIGNED THE CITY TO ACCOMMODATE YOUNG PEOPLE COMING BACK, AND I'VE SAID BEFORE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MY SON COME BACK AND CONTRIBUTED THIS AREA, WHICH GAVE HIM SUCH A BRILLIANT EDUCATION. BUT HE WON'T COME BACK IF HE CAN'T LIVE HERE. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE DESIGNED THE CITY TO BE MORE BIKE AND FRIENDLY FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE WALK IN, JUST MAKE IT A MORE COMMUNITY FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE AS WELL RATHER THAN KEEP DESIGNING FOR OLDER PEOPLE WERE CONSTANTLY GOING TO HAVE THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE IT WON'T PREVENT THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC WILL ALWAYS BE COMING IN VERSUS IF THE YOUNG PERSON CAN LIVE HERE, AND THE CITY IS DESIGNED FOR WALKING AND BIKING, AND THEY LIVE HERE THEN THAT WILL CUT THE TRAFFIC OUT, BUT NOT FORCING THEM INTO PORT SAINT LUCIE WON'T HELP. YOU'RE WALKING AND OR BIKING IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THE LAND MORE AFFORDABLE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE. I MEAN, THERE'S SUPPLY AND DEMAND ECONOMICS 101 AND WE'VE GOT TOO MUCH DEMAND AND NOT ENOUGH SUPPLY. AND THERE'S NOTHING AS AN INCURRED FOR NEW TO CHANGE THAT. YES THAT'S A VALID BUT THEN WE ALWAYS BRING TRAFFIC INTO IT, SO I'M JUST BYPRODUCTS, RIGHT. IT'S JUST.ASSISTANT WHOLE ISSUE IS THIS FRACTIONAL UNITS THAT I THINK IT DOESN'T HELP? BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY I CAN'T SEE ANY CORRELATION BETWEEN A SMALL UNIT. DOWN THE IMPACT OF THE CITY. I GUESS WHAT MAKE WHEN YOU'VE GOT A FRACTIONAL UNIT. YOU ONLY HAVE TO PAY HALF AN IMPACT FOR YOU, TOO. NO THEY DID ACTUALLY ADDRESS IT AS THE FULL IMPACT FEES AS WELL PAID. WHICH . NO ONE'S CHALLENGED THAT YET, BUT IT'S ALSO ONLY BEEN ADDRESSED. I THINK ONCE. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S THERE WAS THE PRODUCT RIGHT BEHIND, UM BLACK MARLIN. NOT ALL OF THE UNITS WERE WERE LESS THAN THE FULL AMOUNT IT WAS. I THINK FOUR OF THEM GET CREDIT FOR THE HALF UNITS OR WHATEVER IT WAS, SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IT WASN'T A SITUATION LIKE AN APPROVAL WHERE YOU HAD 30 UNITS THAT WE'RE ALL HALF UNITS. PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE TRAFFICKING CITY OF STEWART TO IS THE WAY THAT WE'VE DESIGNED OUR STREETS. WE USED TO HAVE WIDER, EASIER DRIVING STREETS NOW WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE MEDIUMS, AND WE HAVE
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ROUNDABOUTS. AND SO TRAFFIC MOVES SLOWER. YOU CAN'T MOVE AS MUCH TRAFFIC IN OR OUT. ADDING MORE DENSITY JUST MAKES THAT WORSE. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T. I'M DESCRIBING THE PROBLEM. I DON'T HAVE THE SOLUTION, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK FRACTIONAL UNITS SOLVES ANYTHING EXCEPT MAKES IT WORSE. MIKE CAN I ASK A QUESTION BASED ON YOUR CALCULATION? IT APPEARED THAT THE INCOME AND THAT WAS A FOUR PEOPLE, NOT A YOUNG PERSON WITH AN INCOME LOAN WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE 23 OR $2400 A MONTH FOR RENT. IS THAT YOUR CALCULATION? SO WE'RE IN THAT BALLPARK. I'M GUESSING LET'S LET'S BE REAL. I THINK IT'S $84,000 IS WHAT THE ADJUSTED MEDIAN INCOME WAS FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR AND I THINK IT WAS 68,000 OR $65,000 WAS THE FAMILY OF ONE AND SO WHAT YOU DO IS IF IT'S $65,000 YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY 1.2 TO GET 120% SO UM, AND THIS IS ASSUMING BUT DON'T FORGET. IF I'M THE BUILDER. I'M NOT DOING IT FOR FAMILIES OF ONE QUALIFY UNDER FAMILIES OF FOUR, SO THE TRAGIC LIST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCILS PRESENTATION TO THE MARTIN COUNTY SCHOOL OR COMMISSIONED LAST TUESDAY WAS THE 84,000 NUMBERS. YOU COULD TAKE 84,000. AND THEN YOU MULTIPLY TIMES 1.2. EQUALS 100,800. AND THEN YOUR RENT IS YOUR RENT SOMETHING YOUR RENT PRESSURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF YOU PAY MORE THAN 30% OF YOUR INCOME IN RENT MULTIPLY THAT POINT TIMES 300.0.3 EQUALS THAT'S $30,240. SO THEN I DIVIDE THAT BY 12. AND IT COMES UP TO $2520 A MONTH. SO IF THE LANDLORD OR THE DEVELOPER FOR 40% OF THE UNITS SAYS THAT HE IS GOING TO CHARGE $2500 A MONTH THEY QUALIFY UNDER SENATE BILL ONE TWOS DEFINITION OF WORKFORCE HOUSING, OR 120% OF THE EMMY AND MARTIN COUNTY AND, AS A RESULT WOULD BE ENTITLED TO AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. FOR A FOUR STORY BUILDING AT THE MAXIMUM DENSITY. WHICH IN STEWART'S 30 UNITS AN ACRE THAT REALLY HAS NOT I IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, BUT I WRITE THAT WERE SAYING THAT YOU KNOW YOUNG PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE BACK. YOUNG PEOPLE AREN'T MOVING BACK NOW BECAUSE THE RENTS OF 4500 SO HAVING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISN'T GOING TO MAKE THEM COME BACK EITHER. I MEAN, WE'RE IN THE SAME BALLPARK GOOD JOBS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE GOOD JOBS, AND I'M NOT SURE WHICH WAY IT WORKS. BUT I KNOW THAT THE YOU CAN'T HAVE NOBODY MOVING BACK AND A SHORTAGE OF HOUSING. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT EVERYBODY IS MOVING BACK . AND AS A RESULT, THAT'S WHY THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF PASSING BECAUSE OTHERWISE THERE WOULDN'T BE A SHORTAGE. BUT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTHISAGREE WITH YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DEMAND, AS MR STUCKEY SAID, ON HOUSING PERIOD, NO IFS, ANDS OR BUTS. AND WE'RE ALREADY ON THE ROAD TO BE BUILDING MORE HOUSING IN THE AREA ANYWAY. SO I JUST DID THE 15 $15 AN HOUR MINIMUM WAGE. WHICH WE DON'T HAVE, EVEN AND THAT'S $600 A WEEK BEFORE TAXES TIMES A WHOLE MONTH. I MEAN, $2500 A MONTH. I MEAN, NOBODY. YOU NEED FIVE PEOPLE MAKING THE MINIMUM WAGE TO BE 30% OF YOUR INCOME IN A HOUSEHOLD LIKE THAT . SO JUST TYPICAL STATISTICS IS PURE B S. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING HERE, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT I ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. WE HAVE A SECOND . I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, WE HAVE TO CLOSE OUT ONE MOTION THAT OKAY, WE HAVEN'T HAD A SECOND. YET THOUGH. MOTION FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND. BEAUTIFUL LACK OF SECOND. WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COMMISSION THAT THEY ELIMINATE FRACTIONAL SHARES AND ALL THE ZONING CODE AND THE CONFIDENCE OF PLAN. FRACTIONAL HOUSING UNITS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.SO DO WE TAKE A FELLOW TURN? BUT I'D LIKE FIRST. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE CAN STATE THE MOTION HAS IT OR DO YOU HAVEN'T MARRIED TO MAKE SURE I HAD THAT? WELL, I HAVE ELIMINATED FRACTIONAL HOUSING UNITS. AND GOING BACK. I DIDN'T CATCH THE LAST PART, BUT I WAS GOING TO GO BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID. ORIGINALLY YOUR COMMENT. GO AHEAD. RECOMMEND THAT WE DID.
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WE'VE ASKED THE CITY COMMISSION TO ELIMINATE ANY FRACTIONAL HOUSING UNITS FROM THE COMPETITION, THE COMPUTATION OF DENSITY AND THE CITY CODE AND THE IN BOTH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. OKAY? GOOD QUESTION. WE HAVE A QUESTION THAT MAC. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL FRACTION OF THE DENSITY. RIGHT? RIGHT. IF YOU'VE GOT A IF YOU GOTTA PIECE OF PROPERTY ZONED FOR 15 YEARS AN ACRE. YOU CAN'T BUILD 30. UM, THAT ARE HALF HALF SIZE OR 900 SQUARE FEET OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS WHETHER THERE ARE 1000 FT OR 3000 SQUARE FEET THERE ONLY ONE HOUSING UNIT. THEY'RE NOT FRACTIONAL HOUSING UNITS. YEAH. JODY, DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE? INTERPRETED CAN YOU GIVE ME A PROJECT COMES IN AND HOW IS THAT REALLY APPLY TO A PROJECT? AH! COMMISSIONERS THE WAY THE PROJECT HOW THIS IS FORMULATED TODAY IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME UNDER AN URBAN PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN FROM THERE, WHICH WOULD CHOIR OF CITY CITY ACTION CITY COMMISSION ACTION. AND THEN HE WOULD LOOK AT THE YOU COULD QUALIFY FOR THE HALF DENSITY UNITS. SO IF YOU'RE ALLOWED 15 AND YOU WANT TO GO UP TO 30. YOU CAN DO HALF HALF UNITS IF YOU LIKE. OKAY SO THAT MEANS WE'RE REDUCING THE UNIT SIZE, CORRECT. COMPENSATE FOR THE DENSITY, RIGHT? YES. AND WE'RE USING A.ARE WE? ARE WE REDUCING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS? BASED ON A CITY COMMISSIONED DIRECTION.
WE'RE ONLY REQUESTED TO AMEND THE LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS JUST THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS IF WE SAY WE HAVE 30 UNITS PER ACRE, RIGHT? CAN THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS. WE'RE SAFE. IT'S APARTMENTS THAT MAYBE ONLY ONE SPACE FOR APARTMENT, RIGHT? BUT WE CAN DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF UNITS, RIGHT? YES YOU HAVE TO DOUBLE THE PARKING SO IN YOUR NEXT ITEM WILL SHOW YOU THE CALCULATION FOR THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET ALL THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS, YOUR PARKING YOUR OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS. UM THAT DOES NOT CHANGE. SO YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO FIT ALL THAT INTO YOUR YOUR YOUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT . THERE IS A CAR PARK PARKING CALCULATION FOR HALF UNIT DENSITY, BUT THAT CHANGES THE AMOUNT OF PARKING RIGHT IT REDUCES THE OVERALL PARKING IT BREEDS? NO YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO INCREASE THE PARKING TO MEET THE HALF UNIT DENSITY. OKAY SO THE HALF UNIT DENSITY IS GONNA REQUIRE AN INCREASE IN PARKING.
SHE STILL HAS TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT. YES, THE UNITS ARE SMALLER. BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE PARKING CORRECT. THAT'S THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT READS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT ABILITIES ARE REQUIRED 1.25 PLACES FOR UNIT WHICH IS LESS THAN WHICH IS WHAT I IF I'VE GOT A PROPERTY ON PUT 20 UNITS ON RIGHT. NOW I CAN PUT 40 ALRIGHT. YOU'RE GONNA PUT 20 UNITS ARE REQUIRED 40 PARKING SPACES CORRECT TO PUT 40 UNITS ON IT, AND IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE 50 PARKING SPACES RIGHT AND THAT'S A REDUCTION OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. RIGHT? SO YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING FROM A TWO BEDROOM TWO A ONE BEDROOM 107 100. FT. YES YOUR ONE BEDROOM VERSUS TO BETTER YOURSELF, RIGHT ? JUST JUMP REAL QUICK. THIS IS THE CALCULATION OF BUT THIS IS THE NEXT ITEM. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU. HOW PARKING IS CALCULATED FOR THOSE HALF UNITS. WHICH IS LESS THAN YOUR AVERAGE PARKING SPACE FOR A FULL SIZE UNIT. AND MY POINT, BILLY WAS THAT THE SIZE OF UNIT DOES NOT DETERMINE HOW MANY CARS ARE. THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT COME FORWARD LESS PROBABLY GONNA PACK MORE PEOPLE INTO A SMALL SPACE. THERE'S NO CORRELATION BETWEEN THE SIZE OF THE YEAR AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LIVE THERE. REALLY THAT'S TRUE TO A LOT OF EXTENT. IT'S JUST THE NUMBERS INDICATE THAT AH, THE PARKING RATIOS MAY STAY THE SAME. BUT YOU STILL GOT LESS PARKING SPACES, AND YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE LESS PARKING AND IN THE SISTER LIVING FACILITY BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM DON'T DRIVE, BUT THAT'S THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION. NOT NOT AN OVERALL RESIDENTIAL ZONING KIND OF RIGHT. I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS OF FACTORS TO BE CONSIDERED FROM THE REDUCED PARKING, BUT THE SIZE OF THE UNIT IS NOT RELEVANT. BUT YEAH, I THINK THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
GETTING UNITS DOWN. TO A SMALLER, ALMOST LIKE A COTTAGE IS WHAT THEY DON'T GET. OKAY?
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YEAH FIRST HOUSE THIS NIGHT HEARD FEE. WE HAVE THREE BEDROOMS, FAMILY. IT'S GOING TO BE AN APARTMENT. INSTEAD OF HAVING IT. THE AZUL APARTMENTS ARE 900,000 SQUARE FEET. SO UNDER THESE, THE APARTMENTS WOULD BE MAYBE A ONE BEDROOM OR A STUDIO, RIGHT? KITCHEN BACK.YEAH AND YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH LIMITED TO PROBABLY ONE PARKING SPACE PER UNIT. EVEN THOUGH YOU GOT A 1.2. IF I KNOW. AND SOME OF THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE CITY.
THEY RESTRICT TO ONE SPACE PER UNIT. OKAY IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S TWO BEDROOM OR ONE BEDROOM, JUST AS A GENERAL YOU KNOW, PRACTICE AND THEN ANY EXTRA SPACES. THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE NOT . THE SPACES ARE NOT ALLOCATED. YOU GO FIND THAT SPACE PRACTICE THAT THAT WOULD BE INDIVIDUAL LANDLORDS OR WHATEVER. I THINK THAT THE PRESENTATION IS THE 1.25 RIGHT NOW UNDER THE CORRECT . THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO STRIKE THE ENTIRE UH, LIKE JUST ALL WE CAN DO IS RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COMMISSION. WE DON'T THEY MAKE THE ORDINANCES WE RECOMMEND THEM OR ALL WE CAN REALLY DO TODAY IS WE DON'T WANT . ANYONE? THAT'S THAT'S THE MOTION TO JUST MOVE ON. CALL THE QUESTION. THAT'S THE POINT OF ORDER. YOU STILL NEED TO CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I DON'T MR FLANAGAN HAS ANYTHING TO ADD, BUT MAYBE IS THERE ANYTHING ONLINE MINUTES? WHAT COULD WE HERE THOSE THREE MINUTES NOT BE ABOUT THIS TOPIC. YOU CAN DO THAT AFTERWARDS. COMING UP? SURE . JOE FLANAGAN. I LIVE ON INDIAN GROVE DRIVE BEHIND THE FIRST METHODIST CHURCH. I WAS ON THE COUNTY L P A FOR FOUR YEARS. JUST FINISHED THAT TERM. SORRY I FEEL YOUR PAIN SPECIFICALLY TO 102. I WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND FOUND OUT HOW MANY TIMES THE SENATE HAS PASSED ANYTHING UNANIMOUSLY. THE SPEAKING WITH THE OTHER TWO LEGISLATORS FROM OUR AREA. DON'T SAY POLITICAL PRESSURE. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE. THE BEST DESCRIPTION I HEARD WAS EARLIER AT THE END OF LAST WEEK , SOMEBODY SAID IT'S LIKE TWO CHILDREN IN THE FAMILY FIGHTING OVER A TOY MOM COMES IN AND SAYS FINE. I'M JUST TAKING THE TOY. THAT'S WHAT THE STATE HAS DONE.
AND THAT'S WHAT DON WAS REFERRING TO IS THAT WE AS MARTIN COUNTY. WE DON'T WANT THIS. WE HAVE A 30 YEAR OLD SON LIVING IN MY HOUSE BECAUSE HE CAN'T AFFORD TO GET A PLACE WITH HIS OWN. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? WE HAVE A CERTAIN STANDARD OF LIVING THE MARKET, SAYS HOUSES 500,000. HAVE YOU HEARD THE WORD STARTER HOME ANYTIME IN THE LAST 10 YEARS AND THIS AREA? A LOT OF IT ALSO IS UP IN WINDERMERE, WHERE THAT WAS A FAMILY HOUSING AND THEY MOVED IN, AND THEY ALL WENT TO JENSEN BEACH HIGH SCHOOL. THEY GRADUATED AND THE FAMILIES NEVER LEFT. AND THAT'S THE REASON THE ATTENDANCE AT THAT SCHOOL IS 1500 STUDENTS IS AS I FOR 2000, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER SUBJECT, BUT MY CONCERN IS SPECIFICALLY THE PARKING IS, I REMEMBER THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S GOING ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE COURTHOUSE. CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT ELIZABETH THERE WAS DISCUSSION THERE, AND I'M MAKING UP SOME NUMBERS KIND OF LIKE SO, SO STAY WITH ME ON THIS. THERE'S LIKE 20 UNITS, AND THEY WENT UP TO 40. BUT THEY USE THE FRACTIONAL THING SO THEY HAVE 40 UNITS, BUT THEY ARE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE 22 PARKING SPOTS. SO THE FRACTIONAL THING I AGREE THAT'S A CONCERN. UH STAFF PUT THIS TOGETHER FOR THAT. AND MAYBE YOU BETTER EXPLANATION OF THIS SPECIFICALLY, BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY IN THE BEGINNING YOU SAID ALL THIS IS ALMOST MOOT IF ONE OH TWO PASSES, BUT WE CAN'T STOP WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN HEAR IN MARTIN COUNTY AND IN THE CITY OF STEWART TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO ADDRESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I'M ON THE COUNTY AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I FLIPPED OVER TABLES ON A REGULAR BASIS BECAUSE I SAY WHEN'S THE LAST TIME WE HANDED SOMEBODY KEYS OR PUT A SHOVEL IN THE DIRT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY HAVE TO DO BEFORE THE 1000 FOR WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO. A REALITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING MEANS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IT IN STUART, SOMEONE OR SOME BODY HAS TO SUBSIDIZE IT.
BECAUSE YOU CANNOT EVEN BUILD A HOUSE FOR LESS THAN $200 A SQUARE FOOT NOW YOU CAN'T GET A RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT FOR LESS THAN TWO OR $3000 A MONTH RENT, SO THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY OF STEWART IS AGAINST SOME REALLY MAGNETIC, BUT IT WAS A BILLIONAIRE TO CREATE A FIVE OH ONE C THREE THAT WE CAN ALL DONATE TO SUBSIDIZE STARTER HOMES FOR WHATEVER CRITERIA YOU WANT TO MAKE. 23 MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT I THINK AFFORDABLE HOUSING MARKET IS HIGHLY AS HOT AS STEWARD IS RIGHT NOW IS A PIPE
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DREAM. I AGREE. UNLESS UNLESS WE GET SOMEBODY JUST SOMEHOW SUBSIDIZE IT AND I AGREE, ALSO SUBSIDIZED HOUSING. YOU KNOW, IN THE BIG CITIES, YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE OF OWNERSHIP AND THE PEOPLE THAT WORKED THEIR BUTTS OFF TO PAY FOR THOSE THINGS THAT MAKE THEM TAKE CARE OF IT AND MAKE IT YOU KNOW NICE. INSTEAD OF TURNING INTO SLUMS, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, BUT DENSITY. NO IT'S NOT. IT'S BREAKER. THIS TIME IS UP. THANK YOU. YOU MOVE SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT. DON I'M WORKING ON THAT. FINALLY SOMEBODY VERY PHILANTHROPIC TO PICK THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF MONEY AROUND HERE. LET'S DO IT. YEAH YEAH. OKAY SO WHERE ARE WE QUESTIONS FLOOR. YOU CAN. POST SECOND VOTE. YES YOU DID WATCH THE MOTIONS, MOTION AND A SECOND MATHERS. UH, NO. FROM FIELD NO. GOV. YES. QUASARS. AND STUCKY. NO YES, YES. VOTE AGAINST HIS OWN MOTION. IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT YOU HAD A MOTION TO AFFIRM AND IT WAS FILLED FOR LACK OF A UM SECOND, AND NOW YOU'VE HAD A MOTION TO DENY. AND IT ALSO FAILED. YOU CAN IN FACT, MOVE ON AND HAVE IT GO TO THE, UH CITY COMMISSION AS DESCRIBED AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR IN THE AGENDA ITEM THAT GOES TO THE CITY COMMISSION WOULD ESSENTIALLY DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED HERE TONIGHT AND GIVE THE RECOMMENDATION AS A 32 VOTE TO STRIKE THE WHOLE THING. OKAY I'M ON ITEM TWO, MADAM CHAIRMAN , I WOULD HAVE THE EXACT SAME DISCUSSION ON IT BECAUSE IT'S PREPARED VIRTUALLY YOUR STUFF. I DON'T SEE A BIG CHANGE. CAN WE REQUEST THE TABLE? AND MAYBE JODI, GET IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. YOU COULD HAVE A VERY SHORT GROUP OF PEOPLE HERE SO YOU COULD MOTION TO CONTINUE. THE ITEM TO, UM BEFORE. ANOTHER. MEETING NOW WE ARE IN A ZONING AND PROGRESS THAT'S GOING TO EXPIRE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HOW IT IF IT WERE TO EXPIRE.THEN THE FULL FREIGHT NUMBERS, THE 900 WOULD GO BACK INTO PLACE. RATHER THAN A HALF NUMBERS. UM BUT IT'S THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD. IT IS UNFAIR TO LANDOWNERS TO CONTINUE TO KEEP US FROM KEEPING THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO BUY. IT DOESN'T MAKE THIS CHANGE. THE OLD CODE STILL IS THERE. AND ONCE THE ZONING IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW YOU'RE IN AN EXTENDED ZONING IN PROGRESS THAT EXPIRES . I THINK IN APRIL AND SO RIGHT NOW. THERE CAN BE NO APPLICATIONS FOR ANY HALF UNITS AT ALL THAT'S BEEN STAYED SINCE NOVEMBER. COME APRIL. IF THIS HASN'T COMPLETED THE ZONING IN PROGRESS COMES TO AN END. AND THEREFORE WHAT LANGUAGES IN THERE AT THE 900 SQUARE FEET WOULD REMAIN. YEAH MY CONCERN IS THAT I THINK IT HAS A PROPOSAL NOT TO DO THIS ONE PARTICULAR AREA, BUT IT HAS PROPOSED YEAH. SPECIFIC PROJECTS COMING UP, OKAY? UH, IT'S JUST I CAN'T REALLY PICTURE THE IMPACT AS FAR AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW THAT IS BEING BUILT IN UH, IT WAS MY WATER, DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. UTILITIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT AH, YES, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF JODI COULD FIND LIKE THIS. THIS ZONING THIS UP IS A SPECIFIC AREA, RIGHT? YEP. OKAY AND BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY RELATE DATA ON THAT PARTICULAR AREA YET RIGHT IN PROGRESS WILL BE EXPIRED. AS OF APRIL 9TH. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I SAID THE LOCATION OF IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? RIGHT BEEN BEFORE OUR BOARD. I DON'T REMEMBER ER, A THE HAVE STUDENTS. IT'S ONLY IN THE C R A. BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE. NO NO, NO, BUT I'M TRYING TO SAY I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FLY. THAT'S TRUE ONE. OH, TWO PASSES AND WE HAVE A LIFETIME BATTLE FOR THAT . TO ME. IT'S JUST THAT IF THERE'S A ZONING THERE, IT MAKES SENSE. UH, HATE TO KILL SOMETHING THAT THIS WOULD HELP FOR A PARTICULAR AREA, RIGHT? BUT WITHOUT THAT. BEFORE ME NOT SO MUCH TO BE APPROVED, BUT WHERE I COULD SEE WHERE IT'S GOING. UH, WHAT'S THE YOU KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WILL NEVER COME TO US BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REQUIRE RIGHT. SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.
WITH THE LANGUAGE. COME ON THE MICROPHONE FOR WHAT? FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. THE LANGUAGE DOES
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NOT PROVIDE ANY STREET ZONING EVER. THE LANGUAGE REQUIRES NO MATTER WHAT TO QUALIFY FOR THE HALF UNITS. YOU MUST BE IN A P U D SITUATION. SO THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT YOU GUYS ARE ADDRESSING RIGHT NOW AS IT RELATES TO THE CODE AND THE COM PLANT. WHETHER YOU'RE GRANTED OR NOT EITHER WAY, STILL REQUIRES A P. YOU DO P U D APPLICATION BEFORE THE COMMISSION TO GET APPROVAL. SO THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THE SPECIFICS, REFERRING TO AS TO THE ACTUAL LOCATION. DOES THIS REALLY FIT THE IDEA OF WHAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT? AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, MIKE, YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S JUST THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT YEAH. AH! A PLAN. THAT'S GOT THAT INCORPORATED.IT'S EASIER TO SEE HOW IT FITS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR SPECIFIC SITE. UH, AGAIN. I DON'T WANT TO PASS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE ISSUES RIGHT THAT WE CAN'T WORK AROUND ? YEAH IF IT WORKS IN CERTAIN AREAS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A BENEFIT, YOU KNOW EXISTING CITIZENS OR FUTURE CITIZENS.
THEN I JUST CAN'T PICTURE IT AT THIS POINT. SO I'M RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT IS WHAT IT IS. I AGREE WITH THIS PROBLEM WITH HALF UNITS WAS DEFINITELY ON THEIR SIZES BECAUSE I NEVER THOUGHT THAT ALL 1100 SQUARE FOOT UNIT WAS A HALF OF THE UNIT. I MEAN, I'VE LIVED IN 500 SQUARE FEET AND WITH THREE DOGS , AND IT WAS FINE. I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THOSE UNITS ARE TOO BIG AND THAT'S WHAT THE CITY COMMISSION HAS AGREED THAT THOSE HAVE THOSE UNITS NOW ARE FIVE AND 700, WHICH ARE VERY SMALL UNITS AND MOST PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN 500 DON'T HAVE THREE CARS.
LIKE ME, BUT WELL, I THINK CARS WITH TWO OF THEM WERE PARKED OFF SITE IN THE GARAGE 17 CARS. I THINK THERE ARE SOME RENTAL UNITS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA. PRETTY CLOSE TO THOSE SIZES.
YES. NO SO THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT THAT THIS AT LEAST THIS ONE THEY HAD THE CITY COMMISSION ACTUALLY HAD ADDRESSED THE HALF UNIT. UH IMPLICATIONS OUT OF MUCH BETTER WITH REDUCING THE SIZE, WHICH HELPS REDUCE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. YEAH AND I GOT PARKING DEMAND THAT WAS PUT ON THERE OUT THERE BECAUSE IN 1100 SQUARE FOOT UNIT, YOU COULD HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING GONNA 1100 SQUARE FOOT UNIT, BUT IT WAS ONLY GOD WAS ONLY CONSIDERED HALF OF A UNIT. SO I DID FEEL LIKE THE DAY HAD DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THAT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION AGAIN FOR BECAUSE IT WAS HARD FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION. OKAY HAVEN'T MADE A PRESENTATION DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AGAIN BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME HAPPINESS, THEY SHOULD BE AT LEAST THIS MAYBE EVEN SMALLER. SO COULD YOU CLARIFY YOUR MOTION MOTION IS FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS CHANGE? THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE THAT THIS JURY. IT'S THE SIZE OF THE UNITS ON THE SECOND AGENDA. ITEM DEVELOPMENT, KOTEX. MM. YES I'M MAKING MOTION FOR THAT. BUT STAFF WOULD HAVE PRESENTED. CAN I? SECOND YOU HAVE TO PASS THE GAMBLE THE GAVEL. OH THERE'S A GAVEL, BUT WE CAN TAKE IT. OH, THANK YOU. SHALL WE TAKE A VOTE? WELL, UNLESS THERE'S ANY MORE DISCUSSIONS. ANY MORE DISCUSSION. WE DISCUSSED IT TO DEATH, SO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT.
IF YOU WANT. I GOT NOWHERE TO GO. WELL IT WAS YOUR WIFE KNOW THAT SHE'S HAPPY WHEN HE'S OUT TO MAKE SURE DINNER'S READY BY THE TIME I GET HOME LATER NOW. OKAY WE'RE TAKING A VOTE. IF ANY, IS THERE ANYTHING ANY ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ANYTHING ONLINE? OKAY ONLINE? KNOW OKAY, STUCKEY COUNT. STOCKY UH, NO. J O B. NO. CLAUSE. OH, YES. MATHERS. YES, SUBJECT. US GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION THAT OUR NEXT MEETING JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVE US A PRACTICAL HOW ABOUT YES, EVERY GREAT IDEA. THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDED MOTION. DOES EVERYBODY AGREE? OKAY OKAY. I AGREE TO THAT BRAM FIELD. YES OKAY. 322 PASSES. IT'S A IT'S AN ADVISORY . IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL ORDINARY SO WE CAN ACCOMMODATE MR MATHERS. HE LOVES IT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THE MEETING. OKAY? SO WE NOW MOVE ON TO THE SECOND ITEM. WE JUST I 10 33 CORRECT NUMBER THREE. THAT WAS ITEM THAT WAS THAT WASN'T GOT WRAPPED UP IN THE CITY. THAT'S CUTE. OKAY? SO ANY STUFF UPDATED. SO UM, IN
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ADDITION TO SENATE BILL ONE, OH, TWO. THERE ARE OTHER BILLS PENDING BEFORE THE LEGISLATION.IF YOU WANT SOME INTERESTING READING, THERE'S ANOTHER BILL CALLED SENATE BILL 1240. THAT'S THE ONE THAT ADDRESSES THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF. THAT'S THE ONE THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT REGULATE WATER, QUANTITY QUALITY POLLUTION CONTROL. OR WETLANDS, INCLUDING THE DELINEATION OF SAYING WHICH WOULD NOT HAVE A HUGE EFFECT ON THE CITY OF STEWART BECAUSE AGAIN STEWART'S AT 96% BUILT OUT ANYWAY, BUT IT WOULD CRUCIFY MARTIN COUNTY AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS CURRENTLY EXISTING UM AND I'LL MENTION THIS SENATE BILL ONE. OH, TWO. JUST BRIEFLY.
I AM TOOK THE INVENTORY THAT THE CITY HAS. AND I APPLIED. SENATE BILL ONE. OH, TWO TO IT, AND I JUST TOOK THE MATH AND TOOK IT AS IF EVERY SINGLE VACANT PARCEL IN STUART GOT BUILT OUT TO THE 30 UNITS AN ACRE AND IT'S 120. IT'S 200 ACRES TOTAL, BUT SOME OF THAT INSTITUTIONAL AND SOME OF IT IS INDUSTRIAL. IT'S REALLY ABOUT 100 AND 30 ACRES BECAUSE THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL VACANT ACRES DON'T ALLOW FOR MULTI FAMILY SO THEY DON'T REALLY APPLY 120 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL IF IT WAS BUILT OUT AT 30 UNITS PER ACRE WOULD END UP WITH ROUGHLY 3000 UNITS. AND THE TRUTH OF IT IS FROM A POPULATION GAIN. THERE WAS A PRESENTATION ON MONDAY NIGHTS MEETING THAT SHOWED THE CITY'S BUILD OUT IS JUST UNDER 24,000 PEOPLE. IF THAT SENATE BILL DOESN'T HAPPEN, IF THE SENATE BILL DID HAPPEN, AND THE SCENARIO I JUST DESCRIBED DID OCCUR. WOULD END UP WITH 28 TO 29,000 PEOPLE. 5000 PEOPLE IS NOT NOBODY AND NOT. YOU KNOW A PENANCE. IT IS NOT BY ANY MEANS A SKY IS FALLING LIFE AS WE KNOW IT WILL BE OVER BECAUSE STEWART IS ALREADY AT 90% OR 96% BUILD OUT. THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE HOPE, SOUND AND INDIAN TOWN AND VACANT AREAS OF PALM CITY AND OTHER AREAS THAT WOULD HAVE A MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT THAN WE WOULD ACTUALLY SEE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AS IT RELATES TO THAT KIND OF DEMISE AND THAT WOULD ASSUME 100% OF THEM. DID IT. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT I THINK THE BILL IS A GOOD IDEA BY ANY MEANS. I THINK IT'S A COMPLETE REVOCATION OF HOME RULE, AND I THINK THAT IT COMPLETELY TAKES AWAY THE CONSIDERATION OF ANY COMMUNITY TO HAVE ANY PARTICULAR IDENTITY . BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID IF IT WERE TO PASS AND BECOME LAW. I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD SEE A MAD RUSH TO THE TO THE CITY'S APPLICATIONS. BECAUSE OUT OF THAT 120 ACRES WHEN I LOOKED AT IT THERE'S A PLACE THAT'S CALLED. THE FOUNDER USED TO BE THE SPS SITE DOWN IN SOUTH STEWART. THAT'S A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT PARCEL LAND. THERE'S ANOTHER PARCEL OF LAND THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCOTTIES ARE NOT SCOTTY'S LOWS ON US ONE AND IT'S BRINGING ME BACK THEIR LOWS ON US ONE. THAT'S ALSO I THINK LIKE A 20 ACRES OR SO OVER THERE. AND SO THOSE TWO PARCELS HAVE A. ECONOMIC SCALE. THAT WOULD THAT WOULD DON'T KNOW IF HIS HIS HIS SEVEN ACRES BUT FIVE OF ITS UNDERWATER SO THOSE TWO BIG ONES THAT HAVE SCALE COULD JUSTIFY A DEVELOPER COMING IN AND PUTTING REAL 600 APARTMENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON IT OTHERWISE WHEN YOU GET INTO DOWNTOWN, AND YOU DO STUFF LIKE THAT, THE PART OF THE CURRENT PARKING CODE COMPLIANCE WITH THAT LIMITED IN A FOUR STORY HEIGHT LIMIT, REALLY? IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET TO 40 UNITS AN ACRE. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE THIS AZUL PROPERTY THAT'S ADJACENT HERE.
THAT'S ONLY THREE STORIES TALL, AND THERE'S 50 PARKING SPACES OFFSITE THAT ARE ON THE CITY RIGHT OF WAYS THAT THEY GET THAT THEY BUILT THAT COUNTED TOWARD CREDIT FOR UM, PARKING FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO QUALIFY TO BUILD THAT. AND SO IN ORDER FOR SOMEBODY TO DO A REDEVELOPMENT PEACE AND USE SENATE BILL ONE. OH, TWO. PARKING IS STILL GOING TO COME AND PLAY A HUGE ROLE AND THE CITY WILL STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE ITS CURRENT PARKING THAT THE SENATE BILL ONE OH, TWO SAYS YOU MUST. THE BOARD MUST CONSIDER A REDUCTION IN PARKING IF IT'S IN WITHIN A HALF A MILE OF A MAJOR TRANSIT. CENTER. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE DON'T HAVE A MAJOR TRANSIT CENTER. SECONDLY EVEN IF THERE WAS A TRAIN STATION DOWNTOWN. CONSIDERING IT. YOU DID THAT TONIGHT. THE BOARD CONSIDERED A LOT OF STUFF, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE PASSED MUCH, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO. GRANTED AND IT'S NOT ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED. IN ORDER FOR THESE DEVELOPERS TO BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED. YES THEY ARE ENTITLED TO THE FOREST
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STORIES AND YES, THEY'RE ENTITLED TO 30 UNITS AN ACRE. BUT THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO DEVIATE FROM THE PARKING AND THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO DEVIATE FROM THE LANDSCAPING AND THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO DEVIATE FROM THE SIDEWALK AND ALL THOSE LITTLE NUANCES THAT WE STILL HAVE IN OUR CODE, SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND JUST STEAMROLL AND CHANGE EVERYTHING AS WE KNOW IT TODAY, BECAUSE, AS MR STUCKEY POINTED OUT EARLIER, THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW IS SO ASTRONOMICAL THAT THE SCALE ASSOCIATED WITH IT IS RIDICULOUS, AND AS A RESULT, THE ONLY GUYS THAT ARE REALLY GOING TO DO IT OR THE GUYS THAT GET AHOLD OF A 20 ACRE DEAL AND THEY CAN BUILD 600 APARTMENTS AND THEY CAN BUILD A PARKING GARAGE AND THERE YOU GET THE SCALE AND YOU CAN JUSTIFY DOING IT AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO THERE'S ONLY TWO OR THREE SITES IN STUART THAT MEET THAT KIND OF CRITERIA, SO IT'S AGAIN. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT AS HORRIBLE AS AS AS IT COULD BE , BUT WE WILL BE IMPACTED BY WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SURROUNDING TOWNS COUNTY. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. WHETHER YOU LIVE IN HOPE SOUNDED WHEREVER IT IS.YOU'RE COMING INTO SKIN CONTROL . WE WILL BE IMPACTED BY THE ABSOLUTELY 2018 IS WHEN THEY STARTED WITH THESE FRACTIONAL UNITS. ARE THESE MULTI STORY? APARTMENT BUILDINGS WERE SEEING BUILT ALL AROUND THE CITY OF STEWART OR THOSE DO THEY HAVE THOSE HALF UNITS COULD BE ABLE TO BUILD IT THAT BIG EVEN WITHOUT THE HALF UNIT, CORRECT. THOSE AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT GET TO SCALE WITH THE PARKING ETCETERA WERE ON THE BIGGER SITES, BUT THERE IS NO BIG SITES LEFT AND NORTH OF THE BRIDGE, THAT AXIOM PROJECT THAT WAS PHASE NINE OF A 1992. P U D THAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN THE COUNTY. AND THEN WHEN DONNA MELTZER IN THAT COUNTY COMMISSION PUT THE MORATORIUM, AND THEY ANNEXED TO THE CITY, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS DONE WAS ACTUALLY WITH APPROVED BY THE COUNTY. SO SOMEBODY MENTIONED WINDERMERE IT WAS MR MATHERS. UM NO, IT WAS MR FLANAGAN. UM AND SO WINDERMERE AND THAT AND THE PINES THAT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED BY THE COUNTY AND THEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY AND THE AXIOM APARTMENTS WAS PHASE NINE OF THAT EU DE SHAME THAT THEY CAN BUILD THOSE WITHOUT A PLYWOOD, FOR GOD'S SAKES. FLORIDA BUILDING CODE. WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT, EITHER. WELL, YOU KNOW THE PROBLEM WE GOT USED TO BE. THE OLD ROOSEVELT WHEN IT BROKE DOWN, RIGHT, RIGHT, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF TRAFFIC LIKE DON STATED THAT'S MOVING YOU KNOW, NORTH AND SOUTH RIGHT ON US ONE AND CITY OF STEWART'S NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. WE ALWAYS HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT. BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY TRANSPORTATION. WE USED TO HAVE A TAXI CAB. YOU SHOULD REMEMBER , RIGHT? OH, YEAH. DAVE MAJORS, SOMEONE THAT TAXI TOO? BUT WE DON'T HAVE REALLY ANY TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION. THE MARTYR BUS GETS PRETTY GOOD, BUT REMEMBER THAT WE USED TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THOSE THINGS. STOP WRITING EMPTY US ONE. THAT WAS KIND OF A HALF, ALL RIGHT. BUT MAYBE THE CITY WOULDN'T HURT JUST TO LOOK TO SEE. IS THERE SOMETHING YOU PUT IN HERE FOR A TRANSIT SYSTEM? BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF ELDERLY , RIGHT AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE YOUTH IN HERE AND AH, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS THE PROBLEM IS THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING? YOU HAVE TO, NOT FOR ST LUCIE ANYWHERE THAT THIS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN HEAR SOMETHING ABSOLUTELY. HOUSING IS OKEECHOBEE. NOW PEOPLE DRIVING IN FROM OKEECHOBEE, NOW WORKING OUR RESTAURANTS, EVEN THOUGH YOUR RENTAL UNITS ARE HIGH, BUT THEY'RE NOT CHEAP OUT THERE LIVING IN A TRAILER SOMEWHERE OUT THERE EXACTLY, BUT WE STILL GOT THE TRAFFIC, RIGHT? YEAH WELL, I CAN TELL YOU IT'S IN 2004. F DOT CAME TO THE CITY.
AND IN THAT PARTICULAR PRESENTATION. THEY WANTED TO BUILD AN OVERPASS. HEADING SOUTH ON US ONE AT JENSEN BEACH BOULEVARD SO THAT THE PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE TO SLOW DOWN FOR THE MALL TRAFFIC. AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE US 18 LANES WIDE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO COLORADO BOULEVARD ON US ONE AND THE CITY COMMISSION THAT WAS BACK IN CONCURRENCY DAYS, AND THE CITY COMMISSION SAID WE'D RATHER HAVE AN F IN CONCURRENCY, AND WE KNOW THAT IF YOU MAKE IT EIGHT LANES , THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOING 70 MILES AN HOUR FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, BUT THEN IT'S GOING TO BE FILLED UP, AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE EIGHT LANES OF GRIDLOCK INSTEAD OF SIX LANES OF GRIDLOCK, SO WE JUST ASSUME HAD THE SIX LANES OF GRIDLOCK AND LEAVE IT AT THAT, AND PEOPLE WILL FIND ALTERNATE ROUTES, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON, AND WE HAD A RECENT WE HAD A RECENT MEETING ON PALM CITY ROAD. AND THE COUNTY HAS THE CITY MAINTAINS PALM CITY ROAD IN THE KIT CITY ALWAYS ASKED THE COUNTY TO GIVE IT TO THE CITY IN THE COUNTY ALWAYS REFUSES TO GIVE IT TO THE CITY BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE CITY WOULD JUST CLOSE IT RIGHT AT THE FOOT OF THE ROWS OF THE PALM CITY BRIDGE AND MONTEREY THERE AND MAKE IT JUST LOCAL TRAFFIC. ONLY THE PROBLEM
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IS THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT CUT THROUGH THERE IN THE AFTERNOON TO GO BACK OUT TO PALM CITY AND DEPORT ST LUCIE AND WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING. IS SO VOLUMINOUS THAT IF THEY ALL HAD TO GO TO U.S ONE AND TAKE KANNER HIGHWAY UP TO MONTEREY, THOSE INTERSECTIONS WOULD FAIL SO MISERABLY, THE SYSTEM WOULD LITERALLY COLLAPSE AND AS A RESULT, MARTIN COUNTY TREATS PALM CITY ROAD AS AN ARTERIAL HIGHWAY. AND I THINK WITH WITH WHAT OUR PROBLEM IS THAT SOMETIMES WE I DON'T RECOGNIZE THE BUZZWORDS OR WHATEVER IS GOING ON. AND IF YOU LIVE OFF THE PALM CITY ROAD, YOU DON'T REALIZE YOU LIVE ON AN ARTERIAL HIGHWAY, AND IT'S FRUSTRATING TO SEE 30,000 CARS GO THROUGH A DAY. BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE PLAN. AND YOU KNOW WHEN I MOVED BACK HERE WHEN I GRADUATED FROM LAW SCHOOL IN 1990 PUMP CITY HAD 2300 RESIDENTS AND IN THE 2010 CENSUS, IT HAD 25,000 RESIDENTS. SO PERFECTLY GOOD COW PASTURE, RIGHT? WE USED TO HANG OUT THERE TOO. BUT THE POINT OF IT BEING IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH AROUND US. THAT'S CAUSING THIS TRAFFIC AND WHAT ALSO HAPPENED IS IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSAND'S PARTICULARLY WAS THE FASTEST GROWING CITY IN THE UNITED STATES BETWEEN LAS VEGAS AND THEN IN 2008. SOMEBODY FLIPPED THE LIGHT SWITCH TO OFF AND 50% OF THOSE HOUSES, WENT INTO FORECLOSURE AND SAT VACANT FOR 4.5 TO 5 YEARS. AND WERE EMPTY. BUT THEN WHEN THEY GOT RE ABSORBED, AND EVERYBODY SHOWED BACK UP AGAIN, ALL OF A SUDDEN, EVERYONE'S OVERWHELMED BY THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC. IT'S LIKE, WELL, GUESS WHAT GOT BUILT. IT'S 300,000 PEOPLE LIVING THERE NOW . HURRICANE SEASON IS COMING TO FIX IT BACK. OKAY. THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS, ANYTHING ELSE, NOT THE MEETING'S ADJOURNED THE SAME BOAT. SAME MOTION FOR BOTH ITEMS BEC
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