[9. RELATING TO SB 102 AND HB 627 ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING PREEMPTIONS (RC): RESOLUTION No. 18-2023; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, REQUESTING STATE SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES OF THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE MODIFY LANGUAGE IN SENATE BILL 102 AND HOUSE BILL 627 RELATING TO HOUSING; URGING THE LEGISLATURE TO NOT PREEMPT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM THE LOCAL REGULATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT PROJECTSWITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

THIS IS THIS IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 18 DASH 2023, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, REQUESTING STATE SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES OF THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE MODIFY LANGUAGE AND SENATE BILL 102 AND HOUSE BILL 627 RELATING TO HOUSING, URGING THE LEGISLATURE NOT TO PREEMPT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM THE LOCAL REGULATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

AND I BELIEVE MR. HOGARTH IS GOING TO BE GIVING YOU A BRIEF PRESENTATION OF THE BILL.

AND, BEN, PLEASE INCLUDE IN YOUR PRESENTATION THE CURRENT STATE AS FAR AS THE VOTING STATUS OF THE BILL.

ABSOLUTELY. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

BEN HOGARTH, COMMUNITY SERVICES.

FOR THE RECORD. SO I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR WHAT THIS BILL IS.

IT'S PROBABLY MORE OF A MOMENT OF EDUCATION RIGHT NOW RATHER THAN SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO EFFECTIVELY TO STOP IT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THIS BILL HAS ALREADY PASSED UNANIMOUSLY IN THE FLORIDA SENATE.

IT'S IT'S LOOKING IT DOES HAVE A COMPANION IN THE HOUSE, WHETHER OR NOT THE LANGUAGE GETS ALTERED OR MODIFIED BEFORE FINAL APPROVAL TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, WE WON'T KNOW FOR FOR PERHAPS A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

BUT IT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK, ESPECIALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF EVERYTHING THAT THAT YOU'VE SEEN TONIGHT AS FAR AS THE PRESENTATION ON, YOU KNOW, MAX BUILD OUT FOR THE CITY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, HOW IMPACTFUL A BILL LIKE THIS IS, IT'S PERHAPS ONE OF THE MOST IMPACTFUL BILL ON LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST DECADE OR SO.

AND THE REASON IS, IS I HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. MORTEL AND JOLIE BORGIOLI FROM OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT, TRYING TO LOOK AT IT FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, DIFFERENT LENSES, HOW THIS BILL COULD AFFECT US.

I KNOW WE ALL HAVE WE'RE ALL APPROACHING IT FROM FROM THESE DIFFERENT LENSES AND FROM MINE.

MY PERSPECTIVE AND JUST POLICYMAKING IS THAT THIS MAKES LOCAL COMMISSIONERS VERY IRRELEVANT ON VERY IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENTS.

AND THAT ALSO MAKES THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES MORE IRRELEVANT THAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN.

AND THAT, I THINK, IS HARMFUL GENERALLY TO THE WHOLE PROCESS.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN YOU THINK OF THE COSTCO DEVELOPMENTS, THE MOST RECENT ONE, THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED A LOT IF IF COSTCO WITH THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ASPECT, WERE TO HAVE MET THE QUALIFICATIONS ON HERE AS TO WHAT IS CONSIDERED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH IS A VERY LOOSE DEFINITION IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THEN THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO PUBLIC HEARINGS. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO MULTI, I DON'T KNOW, TEN PLUS HOURS WORTH OF HEARINGS.

IT WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE GONE THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.

AND HOW MANY APARTMENTS COULD THEY HAVE PUT ON THERE? AND THAT'S THE SCARY PART.

I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION.

THE QUESTION, COMMISSIONER, IS IF THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL PARCEL IN YOUR COMMUNITY, IN THE CASE OF STUART MARTIN COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE A FOUR STORY HEIGHT LIMIT.

SO THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE.

THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM, BUT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD OUT A MAX DENSITY 30, I THINK IT APPROVED WITH AROUND NINE 1500 UNITS.

LLC WAS APPROVED AT 8.1 UNITS PER ACRE.

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED AT 30 AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN 1500 UNITS.

BUT ON TOP OF THAT, THE FLORIDA DEP FOUND THAT THE WATER ON THE SITE AND THE AREAS THAT WERE REFERRED TO AS WETLANDS BY THE CITY, THERE WERE NINE AREAS MADE UP 5.9 ACRES.

BUT THE FDEP REPORT THAT WAS COMPLETED AFTER OUR HEARINGS WERE OVER DETERMINED THAT THEY WERE IN SUCH LOW GRADE THAT THERE WAS ZERO MITIGATION NECESSARY.

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SO THE CITY HAD MADE THEM DO MITIGATION AND THEY AGREED TO BUILD THE $3.5 MILLION ROAD WITH THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND THE TEN FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK WITH THE LATERAL PARK, AS WELL AS THE ADVANCED STORMWATER SYSTEM.

BUT THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN INVOLVED BECAUSE THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO NEGOTIATION AND NOR WOULD THERE HAVE BEEN A 25% PRESERVATION OF UPLANDS.

BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T NEED A PUD TO BUILD IT, THERE'S NO METHOD FOR US TO GET THEM TO DEDICATE 25% OF THE LAND AS GREEN SPACE.

IT KIND OF MAKES ME GLAD THE COSTCO IS THERE.

YEAH. AND I MEAN, I CAN BELIEVE I CAN REALLY GO INTO BULLET POINT BY BULLET POINT.

I DON'T KNOW IF MR. HAS ALREADY SHARED THE THE STAFF ANALYSIS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, BUT IF NOT, I'D BE HAPPY TO SEND THAT TO EVERY COMMISSIONER.

YES, PLEASE. COULD YOU SHARE WHAT THE TAX PROVISIONS REGARDING PROPERTY TAXES? I THINK AS DISTURBING AS SOME THINGS ARE, THE THE TAX CONSEQUENCES I THINK ARE JUST AS DISTURBING BECAUSE EFFECTIVELY WE'RE GOING TO PAY AS THE EXISTING RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THE GROWTH OF THESE UNITS.

WE WILL SEE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS GO OUT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE OF A BILL LIKE THIS.

AND WE ALREADY ARE BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS BILLS.

IT'S THERE'S A YOU ONLY HAVE SO.

REVENUES FOR MUNICIPALITIES COMPARED TO EXPENDITURES.

AND IT'S BECOMING MORE.

CAN YOU GO INTO SOME OF THE THE SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS BILL? ABSOLUTELY. THERE THERE WILL BE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WILL EITHER BE ABLE TO GET 75% OR 100% AD VALOREM EXEMPTION.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY LARGE, PROBABLY AMONG THE LARGEST WE'VE EVER SEEN IN THE CITY BECAUSE OF JUST HOW UNFETTERED DEREGULATION WOULD BE.

THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO COME HERE.

MAYBE THEY'RE ADDING 1500 UNITS, LET'S SAY, ON THE COSTCO PROPERTY, 2000 UNITS.

THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE TO SERVE, WHETHER IT'S WATER, WHATEVER THE WHATEVER THAT SERVICE IS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO THEM, THOSE HAVE COSTS ARE FIXED AND WE CAN GET UP FRONT IMPACT FEES, BUT THOSE ARE VERY MARGINAL AS FAR AS LONG TERM AD VALOREM COLLECTION TO PAY FOR THOSE SERVICES IN PERPETUITY.

IT'S NOT HERE, IT'S NOT IN THIS BILL AND THEY CAN BE EXEMPT AT 2059, I BELIEVE.

I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE, YES.

NOW, MIND YOU, THIS BILL, AS IT'S WRITTEN, WILL ONLY ALLOW THIS THESE PROVISIONS THROUGH FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS THROUGH 2033.

NOW, IT'S NOT TO SAY THEY COULDN'T EXTEND BEYOND THAT AT THAT TIME.

THERE'S ALSO A MEANS THERE'S A RACE TO GET IT DONE, RIGHT? YES. AND TEN YEARS AGO.

SO IN THOSE TEN YEARS, HOW MUCH, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT DAMAGE, BUT HOW MUCH PARADISE CAN BE PAVED IS THE QUESTION.

AND AS YOU SAID, WITHOUT A AND JUST DEVELOP IT ON STRAIGHT ZONING, THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP THEIR LAND.

BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO PROVIDE, THEY WOULD STILL BE DOING THAT DSL LAYING AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

IT GETS WORSE WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THE OTHER BILLS IN THE LEGISLATURE.

THERE'S ONE MORE THAT I KNOW IT'S NOT A PARTY TO THIS BILL, BUT IT DELETES THE DEFINITION OF PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IN MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY.

SO I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO, YOU KNOW, HOW ALL THESE BILLS COULD POTENTIALLY ALL WORK TOGETHER.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT THE STUFF THAT'S BEING DRAFTED ON PAPER IS CONCERNING.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING I'D BE HAPPY TO SEND TO THE TO THE WHOLE COMMISSION FOR THE RELEVANT PORTION OF IT.

THE OTHER BILLS RELATING TO PEDS ISN'T REALLY AN ISSUE.

IT'S THE SENATE BILL 102 ESSENTIALLY SAYS THAT IN OCTOBER ALL OF THE COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES IN THE STATE ARE REQUIRED TO GIVE THE STATE A LIST OF ALL VACANT LAND OWNED BY THOSE MUNICIPALITIES SO THAT IT CAN BE IDENTIFIED FOR THE PURPOSES OF AFFORDING BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IT SAYS THAT ON ANY COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL OR MULTI OR MIXED USE OR MULTIFAMILY DESIGNATED LANDS, THAT IF THE DEVELOPER PROJECTS THAT THEY WILL BUILD 40% OF THE UNITS WITHIN THE ARMY OF 120%, WHICH IS WORKFORCE HOUSING, THEN MARTIN COUNTY IS.

WELL, THAT'S A QUESTION AS TO WHAT AM I IS.

BUT THAT'S ROUGHLY $84,000 WITH A FAMILY OF FOUR TIMES 1.2, WHICH IS $104,000, WHICH COMES OUT TO RENT OF ABOUT $2,500 A MONTH.

YOUR RENT IS $2,500 A MONTH.

IT'S AFFORDABLE. BUT SO IF 40% OF THE UNITS MEET THAT RENTAL OBLIGATION, THEN THE DEVELOPER IS ENTITLED TO GO TO THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND GET APPROVAL FOR THE MAXIMUM DENSITY OF ANY MAXIMUM DENSITY WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES.

SO IN THE CITY OF STUART, THAT'S PROJECTED AT 30 UNITS AND THEN IT CAN BE THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION IS ESSENTIALLY FOUR STORIES, BUT NOT THREE.

SO IN STUART, THERE WOULD BE NO PUBLIC HEARING ON THE HEIGHT.

AND CURRENTLY WHAT WE DO IS OUR MAXIMUM DENSITY IS 15 AND A LOT OF OUR HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS ARE THREE, SOMETIMES FOUR, BUT THEY REQUIRE COMMISSION ACTION.

THE ONLY WAY TO GET A COMMISSION ACTION IS THROUGH A PUD.

AND THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENS IN OUR CODE IS THAT YOU HAVE TO SET ASIDE 25% OF THE LAND FOR GREEN SPACE.

BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PUD OR YOU DON'T HAVE THE COMMISSION IN FRONT OF YOU, THERE IS NO SET ASIDE.

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IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ANTICIPATE DECEL LANES OR OTHER TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND HAVE THE DEVELOPERS DO THOSE BUS STOPS, BIKE RACKS, SIDEWALKS, THINGS LIKE THAT AS A PART OF THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO THE DEVELOPMENT, ENHANCED STORMWATER, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT THAT WILL NO LONGER BE AVAILABLE BECAUSE THERE WON'T BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT.

THE NEXT THING THAT HAPPENS IS THAT IF IN FACT SOMEBODY, A 500 AND 1C3 DEDICATES 100% OF THEIR UNITS FOR I BELIEVE IT'S 70 YEARS OR LONGER, THEN THEY GET, AS MR. HOGARTH WAS POINTING OUT, A 100% AD VALOREM WAIVER.

SO IN THEORY, SOMEBODY COULD LITERALLY APPLY FOR THE TAX CREDITS TO BUILD A AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT, GET ALL THE TAX CREDITS, AND THEN ALSO NOT PAY ANY AD VALOREM ON THAT AS LONG AS THEY RENT IT FOR THE PRICES THAT YOU WERE DESCRIBING.

THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH IT IS, IS ASSUMING THAT SOMEBODY DID BUILD HOWEVER MANY UNITS, LET'S SAY 500 UNITS IN A IN A PROJECT, AND 40% OF THAT WOULD BE 200 OF THE UNITS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BELOW $2,500 A MONTH.

SO 300 OF THEM COULD BE $3,500 A MONTH.

BUT WHO? WHO'S GOING TO KEEP TRACK.

LIKE HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT THEY'RE BUILT AT IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.

NOW, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IT DOES SOUND LIKE IT'S AN EXTREME MEASURE.

IT WAS SUPPORTED BY THE LEAGUE OF CITIES BECAUSE THE STATE RECOGNIZES A.

THE HOUSING CRISIS.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE REASON IT'S PROBABLY PROJECTED AT TEN YEARS IS PROBABLY THAT KIND OF RUNS HAND IN HAND WITH THE BABY BOOM POPULATION RETIREMENT.

AND THEY DON'T THINK THAT TEN YEARS FROM NOW WILL HAVE THAT SAME EXTREME MOVEMENT TO TO FLORIDA.

AND LASTLY, BECAUSE OF THE INVENTORY THAT MR. DYESS DID FOR US BACK IN NOVEMBER, WHEN THAT ZONING IN PROGRESS STARTED, WE KNOW NOW THAT THE CITY REALLY HAS UNDER 200 ACRES OF TOTAL LAND AVAILABLE, 120 OF ITS COMMERCIAL, AND THE OTHER 80 IS MADE UP OF AN ASSORTMENT OF DIFFERENT LAND USES.

BUT FOR THE CITY, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT IDEAL BY ANY MEANS, BUT IT'S NOT A SITUATION LIKE WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT THE COUNTY AND HOW IT WILL IMPACT, YOU KNOW, PLACES THAT HAVE BIG, VAST OPEN LANDS.

IT'S MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT TO SOMETHING THAT, FORTUNATELY FOR THE CITY, THERE'S REALLY ONLY ABOUT THREE REALLY LARGE VACANT LAND AREAS LEFT IN THE CITY THAT COULD BE SUBJECT TO A REALLY LARGE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS GOOD.

AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A WINDFALL FOR US BY ANY MEANS.

I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT GOING TO CAUSE US TO COMPLETELY FALL OVER OURSELVES TOMORROW AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A SIGNIFICANT LIFE ALTERING.

ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AS STUART BEING THE TRADITIONAL ECONOMIC CENTER FOR MARTIN COUNTY AND PARTS OF SAINT LUCIE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY GETTING CRUSHED BY PORT TRAFFIC.

AND YOU HAD 20,000 MORE APARTMENTS ON BECKER ROAD, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE ALONG GREEN RIVER PARKWAY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, TO, YOU KNOW, PUT 500, 1000 MORE APARTMENTS HERE AND ANOTHER 1000 THERE AND 20,000 HERE.

NOW WE'VE REALLY GOT, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF 60,000 TRIPS EACH WAY OVER THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE, EVERY DAY, WE'VE GOT 100,000 TRIPS.

YOU TALK TO YOU TALK TO COMMISSIONER CAMPI ABOUT MURPHY ROAD OUT COMING FROM ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING IN FROM BECKER.

AND THAT IS GOING TO BE A VERY CONCERNING ISSUE FOR US AS WE MANAGE OUR GROWTH IS CONTINUING TO MANAGE TRAFFIC AND SO FORTH.

IT'S AND THEN YOU ADD IN THE TAX ISSUES, IT'S IT'S A CHALLENGE.

BUT I'VE TALKED TO I'VE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF OUR LEGISLATORS ABOUT IT.

I'VE ALSO TALKED TO OUR LOBBYIST.

AND IT'S A LEADERSHIP IT'S A LEADERSHIP PRIORITY UP IN TALLAHASSEE.

AND, YOU KNOW, HOW OFTEN IN TALLAHASSEE DO WE GET ALL 40 SENATORS TO VOTE? YOU KNOW, THEY GET THEM TO VOTE THE SAME THING IF YOU ASK THEM TO VOTE THAT THE WHAT COLOR THE SKY WAS, I BET YOU'D GET MORE THAN ONE ANSWER.

BUT I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT WE DO AT THIS POINT EXCEPT FOR JUST TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO MANAGE IT.

BUT WE IT IS IT'S SO TROUBLING.

AND I THINK IT'S A THE GREATER SYMPTOM.

IS THE DEGRADATION OF HOME RULE.

IT'S NOT JUST THIS BILL.

IT'S THE WHAT WAS THE WHAT IS THE ONE THE ONE WITH THE WETLANDS.

THEY ACTUALLY CALL IT THE PREEMPTION BILL.

IT'S SENATE BILL 1240.

YEAH. WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE BILL?

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I JUST SO HAPPEN TO MIGHT HAVE IT RIGHT.

THAT'S THE LAND AND WATER MANAGEMENT LAND AND WATER MANAGEMENT PREEMPTION.

BUT THE THE ACTUAL TITLE OF THE BILL IT WILL IT WILL CHANGE FLORIDA STATUTE 373.0272 WATER MANAGEMENT PREEMPTION. AND IT SAYS A COUNTY OR MUNICIPALITY MAY NOT ADOPT LAW, REGULATION RULE OR POLICY RELATING TO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING WATER QUALITY, WATER QUANTITY, POLLUTION CONTROL, POLLUTANT DISCHARGE PREVENTION OR REMOVAL OR WETLANDS, INCLUDING ANY DELINEATION.

MIKE, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DO ADOPT ANY OF THOSE RULES? IF THE DEPARTMENT DETERMINES THAT A COUNTY OR MUNICIPALITY IS IN VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION, THE DEPARTMENT SHALL NOTIFY THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER OF THE VIOLATION AND THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER SHALL WITHHOLD ANY STATE FUNDS TO WHICH THE COUNTY OR MUNICIPALITY MAY BE ENTITLED.

SO THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS THAT SPECIFICALLY IS A IT'S INCREDIBLY TROUBLING.

BUT AS WE'VE STRUGGLED AND WE'VE DEBATED AND WE'VE ARGUED AND AND TALKED TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT GROWTH AND AND, YOU KNOW, AND WHENEVER WE VOTE FOR SOMETHING, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT GET YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE ARE HAPPY, SOME PEOPLE ARE MAD, SOME PEOPLE WHATEVER.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, WE GET WE GET PUSHED INTO A BOX WHERE WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW.

AND IF WE DON'T FOLLOW WHAT THE STATE DOES, YOU KNOW, TO THE TEE, THEN THEY COME BACK AND THEY MAKE THE LAW MORE CHALLENGING FOR US AND WE END UP HAVING EVEN LESS ABILITY TO REGULATE OURSELVES.

AND PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S ON US.

I THINK IT'S ON THE STATE.

THIS, YOU KNOW, I THINK COMMISSIONER COLLINS, YOU'VE SAID, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS WE APPROVE SOMETHING.

IT ENDS UP BEING FILLED WITH PEOPLE FROM NEW JERSEY AND NEW YORK OR WHEREVER.

WELL, I THINK THAT THAT'S THAT'S THAT IS EXACTLY THE PLAN.

THAT'S WHAT THEY YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW THERE'S 150 TO 1000 PEOPLE A DAY MOVING TO THE STATE.

AND AND THE STATE WANTS THAT.

IT'S OBVIOUS. PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE.

THEY SAY THAT THERE'S A CITY OF ORLANDO MOVING TO FLORIDA EVERY YEAR.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ROLL OVER AND DIE, THOUGH, AND JUST SAY THIS IS THIS IS IT.

IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT A DIFFERENT POSTURE THAN DIRECT ATTACK.

BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR WHAT WE CAN DO BEHIND THE SCENES TO.

ATTEMPT TO PUSH BACK.

ONE EXAMPLE WOULD BE THE GREEN SPACE THAT WE DO HAVE THAT'S AVAILABLE.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF THESE THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT AND PROBABLY SIT DOWN AND HAVE SOME KIND OF WORKSHOP OR PLANNING SESSION STRATEGY SESSION.

MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE DO IN OUR UPCOMING ONE IS A LOT TIME FOR A POST LEGISLATION, POST LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT WE'D BE HAPPY TO PUT TOGETHER FURTHER ANALYSIS OF THESE BILLS.

BUT GOING INTO OCTOBER, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE GET TO OCTOBER, IF WE HAVE GREEN SPACE AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT, THAT NEEDS TO BE A PARK, THAT NEEDS TO BE DESIGNATED AS A PARK WITH A SIGN OUT FRONT SO THE STATE CANNOT TURN AROUND AND SAY THAT IS GOING TO NOW BE MULTIFAMILY, THINGS LIKE THAT.

ALL OF WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE WE SHOULD BE ACTIVELY PURSUING.

I WOULD BE WILLING TO.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, BUT.

THE COUNTY. WE ALL GET TOGETHER SOMEHOW AND ADD A $0.01 TAX AND BUY AS MUCH LAND AS WE CAN POSSIBLY BUY.

WE'VE DONE IT FOR YEARS AND NOW I THINK IS THE TIME NOW MORE THAN EVER TO HAVE THOSE LANDS AND THEY STAY GREEN.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO TO COMMISSIONER RICHARD.

DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE TO SAY ON THIS? WELL, COMMISSIONER COLLINS MAKES GOOD COMMENTS.

AND IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE WORK SO HARD TO CLEAN UP OUR WATER AND THEN THEY JUST CUT THE FEET RIGHT OUT FROM UNDERNEATH IT.

IT'S JUST IT'S SO DISAPPOINTING.

IT'S IT'S IT IS.

WE HAVE ONE. I'M SORRY.

NO, THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE.

WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

LORI. THANK YOU.

BEN ORA. I'M SORRY.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I THANK YOU ALL AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME.

MY NAME IS LAURA JOBY AND I LIVE AT 2950 SOUTHEAST OCEAN BOULEVARD HERE IN STUART.

FIRST, I WANT TO COMMEND THE COMMISSIONER AND I'M DELIGHTED THE COMMISSIONERS BOTH ON THE MARTIN COUNTY SIDE AND THE STUART SIDE, ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT ABOUT SB 102. AND THAT'S THAT'S EXCITING.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER COLLINS.

THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO DO.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BRUNER.

THERE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO DO BEFORE OCTOBER.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE, TO SECURE LANDS THAT WE CAN TO KEEP OUT OF THE REACH OF THE STATE.

I THINK THAT PEOPLE NEED TO WRITE TO THEIR SENATORS AND THEIR CONGRESSMEN.

I BELIEVE THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD TRY A COALITION OF TOWNS WITHIN OUR SAME WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, TOWNS THAT ARE THE SIZE OF STUART, THAT THIS WILL BE DETRIMENTAL FOR THEM.

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I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU A QUICK STORY.

I COME FROM THE STATE OF CONNECTICUT.

I LIVED IN A SMALL TOWN CALLED DARIEN, SIMILAR TO STUART IN 1989.

THE STATE OF CONNECTICUT PASSED WHAT THEY CALLED 8830 G, WHICH IS A SIMILAR PROGRAM TO SB 102.

IT TOOK AWAY IT GAVE THE BUILDERS THE ABILITY TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IT TOOK AWAY PROTECTION OF WETLANDS.

IT TOOK AWAY ANY SETBACKS, IT TOOK AWAY PARKING.

AND TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, IT'S 1989.

TODAY IS 2023.

THAT PROGRAM HAS DONE NOTHING TO ALLEVIATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE STATE OF CONNECTICUT.

THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO BENEFITED FROM IT WERE THE DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE NOW MADE THEIR MONEY AND THEY'RE LONG GONE.

AND THE CITIES, THE SMALL TOWNS ARE ALL STUCK WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT COME OUT OF THAT.

SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO STOP IT, WE NEED TO DO.

AND THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I WANTED TO SAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. SO WHERE DO WE GO REGARDING A RESOLUTION? BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THIS RESOLUTION IS SOMEWHAT OUT OF DATE.

WELL, IT IS ON THE SENATE SIDE, BUT IT ALSO GOES TO THE HOUSE SIDE.

AND I DON'T THINK THE HOUSE IS.

YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT'S RIGHT.

THE HOUSE HAS NOT VOTED ON IT YET.

OKAY. LET'S DO THE RESOLUTION AND SEND IT UP TO THE HOUSE.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION MOTION WITHOUT JUST BEFORE WE DO IT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S READ IT AND THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH.

I'M GOING TO CHANGE. WELL, WE PROBABLY I THINK THERE'S SOME CHANGES THAT PROBABLY NEED TO BE MADE JUST BECAUSE SOME AS THE BECAUSE THE BECAUSE THE OF THE FLUID ENVIRONMENT.

YEAH AND SO I'M GOING TO PULL IT UP HERE SO IT JUST MAKE THE CHANGES NOW THEN BECAUSE TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.

FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. COMMISSIONERS.

JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE IT'S AT FROM A PARLIAMENTARY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S GONE OVER TO THE HOUSE MESSAGES.

SO THE HOUSE FLOOR WILL TAKE UP A VOTE ON THIS.

BUT IT ALSO HAS A COMPANION BILL THAT'S GOING UP THROUGH THE THE COMMITTEE PROCESS.

SO IN TALLAHASSEE TYPICALLY HAS TO SEE THREE COMMITTEES ON EACH SIDE.

THEY CAN WAIVE THOSE RULES, OF COURSE, ANYTIME THEY WANT, BUT ABSOLUTELY, THEY HAVE A SUPERMAJORITY.

BUT WITH THAT SAID, THE LANGUAGE IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE ON THE HOUSE SIDE, BUT IT'S THE SENATE SIDE THAT KIND OF MADE ITS WAY ALL THE WAY THROUGH FIRST AND IS BEING HEARD IN THE HOUSE. IF CHANGES ARE MADE, THE SENATE WOULD HAVE TO HEAR IT AGAIN ANYWAY.

AND THE RESOLUTION DOES KIND OF SPEAK TO THE BILL GENERALLY FROM BOTH BOTH PERSPECTIVES.

SO UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE POLICY SPECIFIC IN THE IN THE RESOLUTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, IT'S STILL KIND OF AND SO WE'RE RELEVANT.

YOU WROTE THE LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION TO EXEMPT CITIES LESS THAN 30,000 PEOPLE.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE THIS REALLY IS MEANT FOR LARGER CITIES.

SO ARGUABLY, THAT LANGUAGE COULD BE EVEN 100,000 BECAUSE THE REAL CITIES THAT BENEFIT FROM THIS ARE ALREADY BUILT OUT MASSIVE.

THEY'RE REPLACING COMMERCIAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND BIG TOWERS WITH RESIDENTIAL NEW YORK CITY, MIAMI, YOU KNOW, BUT 3030 WORKS FOR US.

BUT YEAH, I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE TOO SO OVERREACHING THAT THEY DON'T CONSIDER IT.

YEAH. YEAH, I AGREE.

SO, COMMISSIONER CLARK, YOU MADE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. OKAY.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLLINS.

DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? VICE MAYOR BRUNER. YES.

MAYOR MCDONALD. YES.

COMMISSIONER CLARK YES.

COMMISSIONER COLLINS. YES.

COMMISSIONER RICH YES.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE TO SEE US ALL UNIFIED ON THIS AND WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS REGARDING DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO BE UNIFIED ON.

THAT'S THE SILVER LINING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

COMMISSIONER CLARK, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD? MAYOR I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GO ON TO THE ACTION ITEMS. NOW. I WANTED I DIDN'T SAY THIS DURING THE TIME WHEN COMMISSIONERS WERE MAKING COMMENTS, AND YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T EITHER.

BUT BETWEEN THIS REGULAR MEETING AND OUR LAST REGULAR MEETING, WE HAD A MEETING, I THINK ON THE NINTH WHERE WE APPOINTED A, UM, AN INTERIM PERSON BY THE TIME MR. DYESS LEAVES.

AND THEN WE ALSO APPOINTED OR SAID WE TRY TO WORK WITH OUR NEGOTIATOR OR LET SOMEBODY KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET MR. NICOLETTI. AND I KNOW THAT MR. MR NICOLETTI IS HERE.

WE DIDN'T RECOGNIZE HIM AS A FORMER CITY MANAGER AND FORMER CITY ATTORNEY, BUT AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR DISCUSSION OR DELIBERATION.

BUT I THINK THAT THOSE I THINK WE SAID THAT NOTHING WOULD CHANGE WITH MR, UM, WITH OUR CURRENT EMPLOYEE, MR. MARTEL, WHO'S JUST PARTICIPATING IN BEING A TEMPORARY PERSON.

BUT I'M JUST WANTED TO LET MR. NICOLETTI KNOW SINCE HE'S HERE, I KNOW THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA, BUT SO YEAH.

THANK YOU. PAUL OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TEN LEASE NEGOTIATION AUTHORIZATION FOR DOG

[10. LEASE NEGOTIATION AUTHORIZATION FOR DOG PARK CAFE: RESOLUTION No. 19-2023; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE A LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THE OPERATION OF AN OFF LEASH DOG CAFÉ AT THE POPPLETON CREEK DOG PARK; FURHTER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY APPLICATIONS NECESSARY TO OBTAIN SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR A BUILDING PERMIT NECESSARY FOR THE OPERATION OF SAME; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

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PARK CAFE. MIKE, WOULD YOU READ THE RESOLUTION? IS IT. YEAH, IT'S A RESOLUTION.

THIS IS A RESOLUTION 19 223.

A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION, THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO GO TO NEGOTIATE A LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THE OPERATION OF AN OFF LEASH DOG CAFE AT THE PAPILLION CREEK DOG PARK.

FURTHER TYPEKIT AUTHORIZING.

AND I DID IT, SO I WILL FIX IT FURTHER, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY APPLICATIONS NECESSARY TO OBTAIN SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR A BUILDING PERMIT NECESSARY FOR THE OPERATION OF SEEING PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

JUST BRIEFLY, THE CITY WAS APPROACHED BY MR. RICHIE TO PROVIDE A DOG CAFE OR OFF LEASH CAFE AT THE PAVILION CREEK DOG PARK, AND I BELIEVE HE'S MET WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY.

THE PURPOSE OF THE RESOLUTION IS TO SEEK THE AUTHORITY FROM THE COMMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND I BELIEVE MR. RICHIE HAS A BRIEF PRESENTATION.

NATHAN. HI, EVERYONE.

I KNOW EVERYONE HERE.

I'VE EITHER SAT ON A BOARD WITH YOU OR DONE SOME KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WITH YOU.

MY NAME IS NATHAN RICHIE.

I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT HERE.

504. AMERICA IS WHERE I RESIDE NOW.

FOR THOSE WHO WHO AREN'T TOO FAMILIAR WITH ME OR MY COMPANION THAT I HAVE WITH ME MOST OF THE TIME, MY DOG, I TRAVEL QUITE A BIT, AND IN MY TRAVELS I'VE STUMBLED ACROSS THIS CONCEPT THAT IS RAPIDLY GROWING AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD REALLY DO WELL IN OUR AREA.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS MINE OR NOT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL WORK. WITH WHAT? I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO WORK.

OKAY. YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT FOR ME.

NATHAN, I GOT IT. OKAY.

YOU DO? OKAY.

THANKS, JIM. SO YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE AND BY THE WAY, FOR MY FORGIVE MY RUDIMENTARY OUTLINE HERE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS THE PARK AS IT LIES RIGHT NOW.

JUST A QUICK AERIAL PHOTO OF THIS IS JUST BEYOND WHAT IS THE DOG AREA TO THE LEFT THERE? OH, I GUESS IS WHAT IS THIS A POINTER? YES, VERY. OKAY.

SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE BASE INFORMATION THAT I'VE WRITTEN HERE.

YOU'LL NOTICE SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT ARE ON HERE.

THESE ARE ALL DIFFERENT PARKS.

ALL OF THE ONES THAT I'VE PUT ON HERE ARE IN FLORIDA.

I KNOW OF AT LEAST 15 IN FLORIDA SO FAR.

SO IT'S A VERY QUICKLY GROWING TREND.

THIS THE THE IDEA BEHIND IT IS THAT YOU CAN GO SOMEWHERE VERY MUCH LIKE A COFFEE SHOP, CAFE, OUTDOOR AREA, LIKE PICNIC AREA, THAT YOUR DOG WILL BE OFF LEASH.

YOU DON'T KEEP IT UNDER YOUR TABLE AT A RESTAURANT.

I CERTAINLY BRING MY DOG OUT WITH ME NOW, BUT HE STAYS ON A LEASH UNDER THE TABLE WITH ME AND THAT KIND OF THING.

THIS IS NOT THAT. IN FACT, NO LEASHES ARE ALLOWED AND DOGS BEHAVE MUCH DIFFERENTLY WHEN THEY ARE ON LEASH VERSUS WHEN THEY'RE NOT.

IF YOU IF YOU'VE NOT READ THIS HERE, THIS THE WHOLE CONCEPT IS JUST TO HAVE THIS OPEN FREEDOM OF DOGS DOING THEIR THING AND YOU CAN BRING THEM AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE THEM AT HOME BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE DOGS NOW.

SO IF YOU COULD GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, JIM.

THIS IS ANOTHER ONE. THIS ONE'S ON THE WEST COAST OF FLORIDA.

THEY'RE THEY'RE ALL VERY SIMILAR.

THE CONCEPT ALL FALLS UNDER THE SAME BLANKET, WHICH IS MUCH LIKE A DOGGIE DAYCARE.

THOSE ARE THE KIND OF INSURANCE THAT WE USE, THIS KIND OF THING.

YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, JIM.

I PUT SOME STATS UP HERE, TOO.

IF YOU'RE SOMEBODY WHO BELIEVES THAT 80% OF STATS ARE RIGHT OFF LEASH, OFF LEASH, CANINE CAFES ARE REALLY A QUICKLY GROWING THING THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.

ALSO, SINCE COVID, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE ADOPTED DOGS.

RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO WORK ANYMORE.

WE'RE GOING TO STAY HOME NOW.

LET'S GET THAT DOG THAT WE WANTED.

AND THEN THEY GO BACK TO WORK AND NOW THE DOGS ARE AT HOME.

WELL, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO BRING THE DOGS OUT MORE FREQUENTLY.

BECAUSE OF THAT, DOGS GO THROUGH A LOT OF TRAUMA AND STUFF WHEN THEY GET LEFT.

MY DOG IS AN ADOPTED DOG.

BEFORE I HAD HIM, HE SAT IN A CRATE ALL DAY LONG.

BECAUSE OF THAT, I HAD TO DEAL WITH SO MUCH WITH THIS DOG PSYCHOLOGICALLY.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING TO DOGS THAT GET LEFT WHEN THEY DON'T.

THEY CAN'T BRING THEM WITH THEM ANYMORE.

WE CAN'T BRING THEM OUT TO THE RESTAURANT THAT WE'RE GOING TO OR WHATEVER WE'RE DOING NORMALLY.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MEMORIAL PARK EARLIER.

I GO TO MEMORIAL PARK WITH MY DOG EVERY SINGLE DAY.

I MEAN, GRANTED, I LIVE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, BUT IT'S PART OF OUR DAILY ROUTINE JUST SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO SIT HOME.

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RIGHT. I DID PUT A DOZEN THERE AND I DID PULL UP PROBABLY 15 DIFFERENT PICTURES, I THINK.

I HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED ON IT.

I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY DOUBLE THAT IN FLORIDA ALREADY.

I AM CUTTING AND PASTING THIS CONCEPT.

I DIDN'T COME UP WITH ANY OF IT ON MY OWN.

I AM TAKING THE TEMPLATE AND MOVING IT FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER AND CHANGING NOTHING BECAUSE ALL OF THEM DO OPERATE BASICALLY UNDER THE SAME BLANKET.

YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE. JIM WHAT WILL THIS LOOK LIKE IN STUART? I ALSO INCLUDED A PICTURE OF THE PARK PREVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE PARK HAS COME A LONG WAY OVER THERE.

I FOUND SOME PICTURES WITHOUT THE POND OR ANYTHING, SO IT'S REALLY CHANGED OVER THERE.

THAT POND IS USED.

I MEAN, THE POND, THE PARK IS USED BY THE LOCALS ON CENTRAL PARKWAY QUITE OFTEN.

I'VE GONE OVER THERE A NUMBER OF TIMES AND JUST TALKED TO PEOPLE THAT ARE PATRONS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS? YOU KNOW, I'VE MET SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS OUT THERE TO POINT OUT WHAT MY IDEA IS.

THE THE PEOPLE THAT GO THERE, MOST OF WHAT THEY SAY IS, FIRST OF ALL, THE PARK IS DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN.

THE DOGS TEAR IT UP.

IT'S DIRT THERE A LOT.

WHAT'S WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, THE PEOPLE THAT BRING THEIR DOGS THERE TO WALK.

ALSO SPEAKING TO MILTON, A LOT OF PEOPLE GO THERE.

THEIR DOGS USE THE RESTROOM.

THEY DON'T PICK UP AFTER THEM.

ALSO, WALK AROUND THE POND THERE.

THERE'S A TRAIL THAT GOES AROUND ANOTHER INCENTIVE TO NOT PICK UP AFTER THEIR DOGS.

EVEN THOUGH WE'VE SUPPLIED BAGGIES AND GARBAGE CANS, EVERYTHING BUT PICK UP AFTER THEM, PEOPLE STILL DON'T DO IT.

I THINK THAT HAVING SOMEBODY ON SITE WILL CERTAINLY HELP WITH THAT.

LET'S SEE.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, JIM.

THIS IS YET ANOTHER DOG PARK ON THE WEST COAST OF FLORIDA.

IT WILL OPERATE A LOT LIKE A FOOD TRUCK OR A COFFEE SHOP.

YOU COULD GO THERE IN THE MORNING AND HAVE COFFEE AND I'LL SERVE SOME LIGHT REFRESHMENTS, MAYBE AN EMPANADA OR A CROISSANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT IT WILL NOT HAVE IT WILL NOT BE A RESTAURANT.

I'LL SHOW YOU FURTHER IN IN THIS WHAT SOMETHING WILL LOOK LIKE THAT WILL BE SERVING REFRESHMENTS.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ROTATING FOOD TRUCKS THERE.

AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT I'VE COPIED FROM THE CONCEPT A LOT OF THESE OTHER TOWNS THAT HAVE THESE.

THIS PARTICULAR ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE IS IN SAINT PETE.

IT'S BEEN THERE FOR EIGHT YEARS.

IT'S CALLED.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT ONE'S CALLED, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S RIGHT IN DOWNTOWN SAINT PETE AND IT'S VERY POPULAR AND IT'S JUST SUCH A SIMPLE CONCEPT.

THE DOGS THAT GO THERE, THE DOGS ARE MEMBERS.

AGAIN, IT OPERATES LIKE A DOGGIE DAYCARE.

SO YOU COULD COME FOR THE DAY.

THE ONES THAT I'VE GONE TO, I'VE GONE FOR THE DAY BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE THERE.

I LIVE HERE. BUT MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, YOU WOULD HAVE A MEMBERSHIP EITHER BY THE WEEK OR BY THE MONTH OR BY THE YEAR.

AND THE DOGS ARE THE MEMBERS.

THE HUMANS ARE NOT THE MEMBERS.

SO WITH THAT, THE THIS IS HOW WE COVER IT FROM AN INSURANCE STANDPOINT.

OBVIOUSLY WHEN THERE'S DOGS AND PEOPLE AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR LIABILITY IS COVERED.

MY HOPE IS THAT I WILL HAVE A LEASE AND SO THE LEASE WILL BE OF A PARTICULAR AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WILL BE FENCED IN AND THAT AREA WILL FALL UNDER THE INSURANCE OF THE CANINE SOCIAL CLUB, NOT UNDER THE PARK.

YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

HERE'S A OVERLAY THAT SHOWS THE ORIGINAL.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING THERE.

YOU CAN SEE THE I'LL USE MY POINTER.

THIS IS THE DOG AREA RIGHT NOW WHERE PEOPLE COME IN, THEY LET THEIR DOGS RUN AROUND.

I SEE THE PEOPLE THAT GO IN THERE, THERE'S A COUPLE, THERE'S A PICNIC TABLE.

THEY GO IN THERE, THEY SIT DOWN, THEY WAIT FOR THEIR DOG TO RUN AROUND FOR A LITTLE BIT AND THEN THEY LEAVE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS QUITE DIFFICULT FROM WHAT YOU LOOK AT TO MAINTAIN THE DOGS, TEAR IT UP.

IT'S ALL DIRT THERE.

IT'S HARD TO KEEP GRASS GROWING, THINGS OF THIS NATURE.

SO THAT ALONE, I THINK THAT PEOPLE THAT COME TO THIS WILL COME TO THE ADDITIONAL PORTION.

I THINK IT'LL BE THE THE UPGRADE, SO TO SPEAK.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO AWAY WITH WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE BECAUSE SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT TO JUST COME AND WALK THEIR DOG IN THE REGULAR DOG AREA AND LEAVE AND MAYBE THAT'S THAT'S THEIR AGENDA.

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YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE. JIM SO YOU HAVE FAUX GRASS ON THIS.

WILL THIS WILL HAVE ALL ASTROTURF, AN ASTROTURF MADE SPECIFICALLY FOR PETS SO THAT IT IT KEEPS FRESH AND, YOU KNOW, DOGS ARE GOING TO USE THE RESTROOM ON IT AND THIS KIND OF THING.

ALSO, IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY ACTION TO USE THIS.

AND THE CLEANERS THAT YOU USE, NONE OF THEM ARE DETERGENTS OR ANYTHING.

THEY STRICTLY USE WATER WITH A SMALL AMOUNT OF VINEGAR IN IT.

SO IT DOESN'T HURT THE ENVIRONMENT OR HURT WHATEVER'S THERE.

IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE COMPOSURE.

LET'S SAY THE POND, FOR EXAMPLE, ANY OF THE RUNOFF.

IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

THERE ARE ALREADY DOGS COMING THERE.

THERE ARE ALREADY DOGS USING THE RESTROOM THERE.

THIS WILL THIS WILL CONTINUE.

BUT IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, THIS AREA WILL BE FENCED OFF.

THESE ARE THE RESTROOMS RIGHT HERE.

THIS RIGHT HERE WILL BE A CONCESSION.

RIGHT HERE IS THE PAVILION.

AND THIS, AS I SAID, WILL BE FENCED AROUND IT.

SO THIS AREA WILL BE.

THE AREA THAT I LEASE.

THIS IS THE PARKING THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.

AND THERE'LL BE SOME ADDITIONAL OVERFLOW PARKING THAT WILL INVARIABLY DOUBLE THE PARKING.

THERE'S 21 SPOTS THERE CURRENTLY, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND OUT OF THERE, DEPENDING ON WHAT TIME OF DAY YOU GO THERE.

I'VE NEVER BEEN THERE WHEN IT'S COMPLETELY FULL, ALTHOUGH I DID I DID TALK TO YOU, MAYOR, WHEN YOU SAID YOU'VE SEEN IT FULL BEFORE.

I HAVE SEEN IT LOADED UP WITH A NUMBER OF CARS, NOT COMPLETELY FULL, BUT NEVERTHELESS, THERE'LL BE AN OVERFLOW AREA.

LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE I WANT TO TOUCH ON WITH YOU.

ALSO, I THOUGHT PERHAPS THAT ANOTHER PATH WOULD BE ADDED DOWN TO THIS DOCK THAT'S THERE THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE AREA THAT I HOPE TO LEASE.

THERE IS NO PATH THERE NOW, BUT I THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN BEAUTIFYING IT.

THIS AREA, AGAIN, THE ONLY THING I REALLY HOPE TO DO TO IT IS FENCE IT IN AND AND MAKE IT VERY, VERY NICE USING ASTROTURF, USING LARGE POTTED PLANTS, THIS KIND OF THING.

IT'S GOING TO BE AN OUTDOOR CAFE OF SORTS.

IF YOU COULD GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE, JIM, THIS IS A RENDERING I HAD DONE.

I'M PLANNING ON USING A SHIPPING CONTAINER.

IT WON'T LOOK LIKE THIS, BUT I DO HAVE ANOTHER VISUAL ALSO HERE.

THIS IS A WOODEN FENCE AND THAT WILL NOT BE WOODEN BECAUSE THE POND IS BEYOND IT.

AND OF COURSE, YOU WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF LOOKING OVER THE POND.

THIS ALSO HAS REAL GRASS, WHICH WILL NOT BE THE CASE.

YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE, JIM.

THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT WILL BE PUT IN PLACE THERE.

THIS IS A 20 FOOT SHIPPING CONTAINER THAT'S BEEN CONVERTED INTO A CONCESSION, SERVING COFFEE, BEER, WINE.

AGAIN, PERHAPS SOME VERY SMALL SNACKS ONLY FOR WHEN THERE IS NOT A FOOD TRUCK THERE.

IF YOU COULD GO BACK, ONE SLIDE.

I MEAN, ONE MORE. I'M SORRY.

SO IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, THIS FENCE LINE IS ACTUALLY INACCURATE.

THE FENCE WILL COME OFF THE BACK OF THE RESTROOMS RIGHT HERE, WHICH WILL MAKE A SQUARE SPACE AVAILABLE RIGHT HERE.

AND AT THAT POINT, FOOD TRUCKS WILL BE ABLE TO PULL IN AND OUT OF THERE AND WE CAN ROTATE THE FOOD TRUCKS AND HAVE A CALENDAR OF FOOD TRUCKS, TACOS ON TUESDAY, SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER NIGHT.

RIGHT. AND AND THIS WILL GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME OUT.

HEY, WE'LL GO OVER.

WE CAN BRING THE DOG.

WE DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE AND RUN OFF TO A RESTAURANT.

WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO EAT THERE.

AGAIN, MY IDEA IS TO BE OPEN IN THE MORNING SO PEOPLE COULD COME FOR COFFEE.

AND AGAIN, BRING YOUR DOG TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE.

IF YOU'RE SOMEBODY LIKE ME WHO GOES AND GETS COFFEE EVERY MORNING AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SPOTS AROUND HERE, SOME OF THEM I BRING MY DOG TOO.

SOME OF THEM I DON'T. DEPENDS WHAT MY DAILY AGENDA IS.

BUT IF I HAD SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHICH I VISITED BEFORE, AN EXAMPLE IN SOUTH CAROLINA, IN COLORADO, I'LL GO OUT THERE AND TRAVEL AND I'LL GO TO THESE PLACES.

AND WHILE I'M THERE I SAY, WELL, LET ME GO CHECK OUT THIS THING THAT AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, I'M GOING THERE EVERY DAY AND I'M RUNNING INTO THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE BRINGING THEIR DOGS AND THIS IS THEIR ROUTINE.

AND THEY'RE THEY'RE KILLING TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE.

THEY'RE GOING AND GETTING THEIR COFFEE OR THEIR WHATEVER THEY'RE HAVING FOR BREAKFAST IN THE MORNING, AND THEY'RE LETTING THEIR DOGS RUN AND ROAM AT THE SAME TIME.

AND THAT WAY THIS DOG ISN'T PENT UP FOR, YOU KNOW, EIGHT, NINE HOURS A DAY LIKE OFTEN DOGS ARE.

YEAH. LET'S SEE WHAT'S AFTER THAT.

THIS IS JUST A NUMBER OF LINKS THAT I'VE ATTACHED FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT.

THESE ARE ALL IN FLORIDA.

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THEY'RE ALL VERY SIMILAR AND THEY ALL OPERATE UNDER THE SAME TEMPLATE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL CERTAINLY TRY TO ANSWER THEM.

WHAT I'M ASKING FOR TODAY IS A RESOLUTION TO ENTER INTO A LEASE WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONER COLLINS SO MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THIS IS THAT THE ASTROTURF, WE SORT OF GOT INTO SOMETHING SIMILAR.

I REMEMBER, OKAY, SO THE CHEMICALS THAT WERE USED WERE THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS TYPE OF THING ARE DETERGENTS THAT DO HAVE CHLORINE IN THEM.

SO WITH THE PROXIMITY TO THE POND AND IN A SMALL SPACE, AND I'M ASSUMING.

RIGHT, YOU WANT THIS TO BE PROFITABLE, YOU WANT A LOT OF DOGS THERE, YOU WANT A LOT OF BODIES.

YOU WANT THIS TO BE BUSY AND ENERGETIC AND AND YOU SHOULD.

I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE PATRONS WILL MOVE OVER.

I THINK THAT THE PATRONS THAT ARE THERE, SO HOWEVER MANY DOGS A DAY COME THERE AND PERHAPS MORE, HOPEFULLY MORE.

HAVE YOU SEEN EXAMPLES IN YOUR RESEARCH OF NON ASTROTURF FACILITIES? NO, I HAVEN'T, AND I HAVE GONE SO FAR AS TO RESEARCH MUCH FURTHER AFTER THE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER ON POOPSIE ROAD, THERE IS ASTROTURF OUT THERE THAT IS JUST A STRAIGHT ASTROTURF.

IT'S NOT EMITTING EMITTING ANYTHING.

IT'S THE CHEMICALS THAT THEY USE TO CLEAN THEM THAT CAUSED THE PROBLEMS. AND WE'RE NOT USING THAT.

AND DO YOU KNOW THE NAME OF THE THE PRODUCT THAT YOU WOULD BE USING? I DON'T HAVE ONE CHOSEN FOR SURE.

I HAVE LIKE MAYBE FOUR OF THEM THAT IT'S ALL PRICE AND.

RIGHT. WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SUBMIT THAT AS PART OF.

ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A CONCERN AS WELL.

JUST THE PROXIMITY TO THE POND IN THE CLEANING SOLUTION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST WATER AND VINEGAR.

CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. SO I WOULD JUST WANT TO SEE THAT.

YEP. I THINK THAT'S A SUPER VALID REQUEST.

MR RICH. VERY COOL.

THANK YOU. SO I MET MR. RICHIE OUT THERE AND IT'S REALLY QUITE HIS REQUEST IS VERY MODEST.

IT'S A VERY SMALL SPACE.

HE'S ASKING, YOU KNOW, THE ADVANTAGE YOU HAVE, MR. RICHIE, IS THE DOGS.

I MEAN, THEIR OWNERS HAVE TO ACCOMPANY THE DOGS.

AND SINCE I MEAN, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PICK UP AFTER THEIR DOGS, RIGHT? THEY ARE. SO SO IF THEY DON'T, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS.

IF THEY WEREN'T TO DO THAT, WE HAVE STAFF, THE REFEREES THAT COME AND PICK UP AFTER THE DOG.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S NOT THE AGENDA OF THE OF THE PLACE.

WE WANT YOU TO PICK UP AFTER YOUR OWN DOG AND WE, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU THE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

WE GIVE YOU THE THE DUMP STATION, THE BAGS.

WE ALSO HAVE WATER THERE FOR THE DOGS, THINGS LIKE THIS.

SO HERE'S MY SO YOUR HOURS YOU WANT TO STAY OPEN.

THE PARK IS OPEN UNTIL 8 P.M.

CURRENTLY AND YOU WANT TO STAY OPEN TILL NINE, RIGHT? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MAYBE LATE IS NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, BUT I WOULD SAY NINE AT THE LATEST.

BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE LIGHTED, OBVIOUSLY, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A BAR.

THAT'S CORRECT. I MEAN, IT WILL SERVE BEER AND WINE.

SO WHEN I WAS THERE, NOT ONLY WAS I STRUCK BY HOW SMALL THE SPACE YOU'RE REQUESTING, BUT HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THOSE APARTMENTS.

RIGHT. WHICH I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THEM.

DO WE KNOW THE NAME OF THAT? YEAH, THAT'S THE WHERE THE APARTMENTS ON KANNER HIGHWAY BACK UP TO.

SO THESE ARE THERE'S IN PARTICULAR THREE BUILDINGS.

SUDDENLY THESE PEOPLE ARE LIVING NEXT TO A BAR THAT'S OPEN TILL NINE AND IS NINE LAST CALL AND THEN YOU CAN STAY LATER.

NO, I MEAN THAT'S I DON'T KNOW HOW TO STOP.

I'M SORRY, MR. MARTEL.

YEAH. THE ESTATES OF STEWART IS WHAT IT BACKS UP TO.

YEAH, IN FACT, THAT WAS ONE OF MY.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE BRIGHT.

ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE MUSIC? LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE AT A COFFEE SHOP.

RIGHT. BUT YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TELEVISIONS.

SO AGAIN LIKE A I DON'T EXPECT THIS.

AND NONE OF THE ONES THAT I'VE GONE TO WHICH ARE MANY, IT'S NOT A JUMP IN PLACE.

IT'S IT'S NOT A DISCOTHEQUE, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S IT'S AN OUTSIDE AREA THAT.

YEAH. THERE'LL PROBABLY BE SOME MUSIC THERE.

YEAH. THERE'LL BE TVS IN THE PAVILION OR AT LEAST ONE AND, BUT NO I DON'T EXPECT IT TO, TO HAVE A BIG NOISE IMPACT THE LIGHT POLLUTION. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I CHOSE THAT PAVILION IS THAT IT WAS THE FURTHEST AWAY FROM THE APARTMENTS THAT OTHERWISE I WOULD HAVE SAID PERHAPS THE OTHER ONE.

MAYBE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER.

BUT I THOUGHT THIS WOULD FIT IN BETTER AND DISTURB LESS.

I MEAN, MR. MAYOR, I'M NOT FAMILIAR, YOU KNOW.

CAN WE ASK MR. RICHIE MAYBE TO GO SPEAK TO THOSE PEOPLE OR.

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I MEAN, IT'S CLOSER THAN YOU REALIZE TO THOSE BUILDINGS.

AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO PASS A RESOLUTION TONIGHT, IT WOULD SIMPLY GIVE MR. RICHIE THE AUTHORITY TO SUBMIT A PLAN TO THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS ALL THE CODES, THAT IT MEETS FIRE, THAT IT MEETS ALL THE SETBACKS.

HE WOULD THEN BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION WITH THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS AND AND, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO DESCRIBE TO YOU THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN OF THE ACTUAL LIGHTING OR WHATEVER IT IS FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

AND I THINK THAT THESE ISSUES CAN BE ADDRESSED AND MET WITH WITH MR. RICHIE, AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH HIM ABOUT IT.

I LIKE I LIKE THE IDEA.

I THINK THAT IT'S A GREAT CONCEPT.

IT ADDS AN ADDITIONAL BENEFIT TO OUR RESIDENTS.

AND AND, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO COST US ANY MONEY.

WHICH ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE ACTUALLY WE'LL GET HOPEFULLY GET SOME BIG ONE.

YEAH. SO AND AS I TOLD MR. RICHIE, THERE WAS REALLY ONE MAIN CONCERN, BUT A SECONDARY CONCERN.

ONE WAS THE PARKING ISSUE, MAKING SURE THAT HE WAS ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL CARS, WHICH HE HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT AND ALSO THAT IT DID NOT DISPLACE THE MODEL SAILBOAT FOLKS AND AND APARTMENTS.

SO THOSE WERE I JUST WANTED TO SAY HE, IN FACT, IS GOING TO ADD PARKING.

YES, I KNOW HIS EXPENSE. WELL, THIS WAS MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM WAS THIS IS THE THING.

AND HE'S OBVIOUSLY ADDRESSED THE PARKING.

AND HE'S ALSO HE SATISFACTORILY, IN OUR CONVERSATION, ADDRESSED THE MODEL SAILBOAT FOLKS.

SO I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD BENEFIT.

I THINK THAT IT RIGHT NOW IS BY US PASSING A RESOLUTION, IT GIVES HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO REFINE THE PLAN AND NEGOTIATE A LEASE.

THEN AT WHICH POINT, IF HE SUCCESSFULLY NEGOTIATED.

IT'S A LEASE WITH STAFF, IT COMES BACK TO US AND WE GET THE FINAL AUTHORITY ON IT.

COMMISSIONER. MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS RESOLUTION 19 DASH 2023, BUT I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.

BUT IT'S A DOGGIE SOCIAL CLUB.

A CANINE SOCIAL CLUB.

DO ANY OF THE OTHER PLACES THAT YOU'VE VISITED, EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE OR WOULD ALLOW FOR IT, DO DO ANY OF THEM GO AS FAR AS TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE THE DOG COULD BE BATHED OR WHERE THEIR NAILS COULD BE CLIPPED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

SO, YES, SOME OF THEM DO HAVE THERE ARE STATE DOG WASH STATIONS THAT YOU CAN BUY, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M CONSIDERING PUTTING THERE.

IT'S JUST AN ADDED THING.

BUT THEY ALSO HAVE THINGS LIKE THEY BRING IN A GROOMER ONCE A MONTH AND HAVE GROOMING DAY.

AND SO WHILE YOU'RE THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE YOUR TURN AND HAVE YOUR DOG GROOMED.

AND SO, YES, THERE ARE THERE ARE SOME INITIATIVES LIKE THIS WITH THESE OTHER INSTEAD OF THE FOOD TRUCK, THE MOBILE DOG GROOMER.

YEAH, THE MOBILE, EXACTLY.

RIGHT. OKAY. SO I'VE SEEN THAT.

OKAY. AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS, OTHER THAN THE FOOD TRUCK, YOU WOULD HAVE SOME LIKE BAKED GOODS OR SOMETHING FOR BREAKFAST OR SOME SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE WOULD HAVE FOR LIKE A COLOR OR SOMETHING TO A ANYTHING FOR THE DOG.

YEAH. A TOY OR SOMETHING.

SOME THINGS THAT ARE LIMITED RETAIL, VERY, VERY LIMITED.

BUT THEY WOULD WE'D HAVE MAYBE SHIRTS AND HATS THAT ARE WITH OUR INSIGNIA ON THEM AND THAT KIND OF THING.

BUT YEAH, FOR THINGS.

FOR DOGS. YES.

AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE THESE.

MR. MAYOR, WITH REGARD TO RESOLUTION NUMBER 19, 20, 23 AND AS READ BY THE CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY THAT WE APPROVE THE THE NEGOTIATION OF THE AUTHORIZATION, THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE A LEASE AGREEMENT. I SECOND IT.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

OKAY. WE HAVE WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK, A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR BRUNER.

GO AHEAD, SHADE MORE SHADE FOR THE PEOPLE IF I COME OVER.

SO IN THAT CASE, I THINK WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS A COUPLE OF LARGE UMBRELLAS, AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT I'VE ADOPTED FROM ANOTHER PARK.

IT SEEMS TO WORK REALLY WELL.

AND THEN BENEATH THEM, SOME ADIRONDACK CHAIRS, THAT KIND OF THING.

OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? ANY PUBLIC ANY? OH, GO AHEAD. NO, I WOULD JUST BE CAREFUL WITH THE SHAMPOOING AND GROOMING BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING CHEMICALS, YOU KNOW, THE CHEMICALS THEY USE TO THEY WOULD HAVE A STATION.

YEAH. WHERE THEY RETAIN THEIR.

THAT'S RIGHT. WATER.

SO YEAH, IT'S JUST LIKE HAVING A GIANT BATH TUB.

IT'S A STAND THAT'S ELEVATED.

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IF YOU'VE NEVER SEEN THESE BEFORE, IT'S SPECIFIC FOR WASHING DOGS.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION? MAYOR, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH.

THANKS A LOT. YOU HAVEN'T GOT THE VOTE YET.

YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I'M DONE WITH ME. THERE YOU GO AHEAD.

OKAY. MAYOR MCDONALD? YES. COMMISSIONER CLARK? YES. VICE MAYOR BRUNER.

YES. COMMISSIONER COLLINS.

YES. COMMISSIONER RICH.

YES. CONGRATULATIONS.

NOW YOU GOT THE VOTE. THANK YOU, GUYS.

NICE TO SEE EVERYONE. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 11.

[11. 751 SE CENTRAL PARKWAY - REZONING FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (QUASI-JUDICIAL) (RC): ORDINANCE No. 2487-2023; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY’S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REZONE REAL PROPERTY FROM COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT “CPUD” TO RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT “RPUD” FOR A 4.88-ACRE PARCEL, LOCATED AT 751 SE CENTRAL PARKWAY; SAID LAND BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT “A” ATTACHED; ESTABLISHING THE SAILFISH CAY RPUD CONSISTING OF SIXTY (60) TOWNHOUSE UNITS; APPROVING A MASTER SITE PLAN; PROVIDING FOR DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS AND A TIMETABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT, DECLARING THE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY’S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN; PROVIDING DIRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

MIKE, WOULD YOU READ THE.

AND THIS IS QUASI JUDICIAL, SO I'M GOING TO GET OUT THIS.

OH, LET ME GET THE YELLOW CARD OUT.

THIS IS. THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 24872023.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY'S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REZONE REAL PROPERTY FROM COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT OR PUD, TO RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT OR RPD FOR A 4.88 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED AT 751 SOUTHEAST CENTRAL PARKWAY, SAID LAND BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A ATTACHED ESTABLISHING THE SAILFISH CAY RPD CONSISTING OF 60 TOWNHOUSE UNITS.

APPROVING A MASTER SITE PLAN PROVIDING FOR DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS AND A TIMETABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.

DECLARING THE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PROVIDING DIRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

OKAY. DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS DISCLOSED? COMMISSIONER RICH SINCE OUR LAST MEETING OR SINCE YOUR LAST MEETING? NO, NOT SINCE THE LAST MEETING, COMMISSIONER COLLINS.

NO, NONE SINCE THE LAST MEETING.

I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND.

VICE MAYOR I'VE MAY HAVE HAD NONE EITHER.

AND I'VE HAD NONE. AND I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND.

OKAY, LET'S SEE.

DIRECTS THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PLACE ANY POTENTIAL WITNESSES UNDER OATH.

MIKE, WOULD YOU PLACE ANY WITNESSES UNDER OATH? WELL, THOSE WISHING TO GIVE TESTIMONY, PLEASE RISE AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT THERE ARE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE PEOPLE.

DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL FIVE TESTIFIED AFFIRMATIVELY.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME WHEN TESTIFYING.

JODI, PLEASE BE WITH A LITTLE PATIENCE WITH OUR POWER OUTAGE.

WE'RE LOCATING THE FILE.

OKAY. I'M WHILE WE'RE SEARCHING FOR THE FILE.

I THINK MR. RAINES CAN PROBABLY BRIEFLY DISCUSS IT, BUT THEY'VE ADDED THE CONDITIONS THAT THE CITY COMMISSION ASKED AT FIRST READING AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS. I THINK THEY HAVE IT.

THERE WE ARE. GOOD. ARE THESE JUST THE CHANGES FROM THE LAST MEETING, OR IS THIS THE WHOLE PRESENT? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

THERE IS FOUR CONDITIONS THAT WE DID CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE AND IF I COULD JUST BRIEFLY GO OVER THEM.

YES. AND JODY, COULD YOU SPEAK INTO YOUR MIC? WE CAN I CAN BARELY HEAR YOU.

I APOLOGIZE. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. AGAIN, MY NAME IS JODY KUGLER.

I AM THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND REPRESENTING THE SELFISH K ON BEHALF OF THE CITY STAFF.

THIS ITEM WAS PRESENTED AT THE FEBRUARY 27TH, 2023 MEETING.

IT WAS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME CONDITIONS AND THOSE CONDITIONS.

IT WAS NOT UNANIMOUS. IT WAS NOT UNANIMOUS.

IT WAS A 4 TO 1 VOTE.

I'M SORRY. IT WAS A 4 TO 1 VOTE.

OH 4 TO 1 VOTE. I APOLOGIZE.

YES. SO WE DID MAKE THOSE CHANGES, UNFORTUNATELY, WITH THE TIME FRAME AND GETTING OVER THE AGENDA ITEMS TO YOU, THE QUICK TURNAROUND, I JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY GO OVER THE FOUR ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED INTO THE ORDINANCE BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO THESE ARE WORKING WITH MR. RAINES'S GROUP, WHO IS THE ATTORNEY OF RECORD.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED.

AND THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH TO MEMORIALIZE THOSE CONDITIONS.

AGAIN, THE DEVELOPER DID AGREE TO MATCH DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR FOR THE CITY'S CAPITAL BUDGET NOT TO EXCEED $32,000 TOWARDS ANY IMPROVEMENTS IN THE POPPLETON CREEK DOG PARK.

AND THEN THERE'S SOME CONDITIONS OF HOW LONG THAT WILL WHEN WHEN WE ARE TO EXPEND THE FUNDS.

AND. AND THE LENGTH OF THE FUNDS, WHICH IS 24 MONTHS.

ALSO ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS THE DEVELOPER OR HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION.

AFTER TURNOVER SHALL PROVIDE EASEMENTS FOR THE LICENSE CABLE SERVICES.

THE HOA ONCE FORMED UPON REQUEST, THE CITY SHALL SUBMIT A REPORT.

TO THE CITY. I'M SORRY.

THE DEVELOPER.

THAT SHOULD BE DEVELOPER. I APOLOGIZE.

SHALL SUBMIT A REPORT TO THE CITY.

SIGNED AND SEALED BY A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER CERTIFYING THAT THE ON SITE WATER.

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STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS MAINTAINED AND FUNCTIONING AS DESIGNED.

THE OTHER CONDITION WAS ONCE THE HOA IS FORMED, IT SHALL REQUIRE IN ITS DECLARATION THAT ALL HOMEOWNERS THAT PURCHASE FROM THE DEVELOPER ARE PROHIBITED FOR A PERIOD OF TWO CONSECUTIVE YEARS FROM THE DATE OF PURCHASE FROM RENTING THE THE PURCHASE UNITS.

AND LASTLY IS THE DEVELOPER SHALL INSTALL CATCH BASINS AND PIPES AT DEVELOPER EXPENSE TO CREATE AN OUTFALL FROM THE TOTAL PARTICIPANT NUTRIENTS LOW LAND AREA WHICH IS THIS IS WHERE NUTRIENTS WILL GO INTO THE STORMWATER RETENTION POND, BE CLEANED OUT AND MOVE FORWARD FROM THAT POINT.

OKAY. OH, I APOLOGIZE.

THAT'S TOWN PARK NORTH.

SO. AND WITH THAT, THE STAFF IS STILL RECOMMENDING RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

MR REIGNS. GOOD EVENING.

FOR THE RECORD, BOB RAINES, I'M A LAND USE ATTORNEY WITH THE GUNSTER LAW FIRM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING.

WE DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION.

SINCE THIS IS SECOND READING, WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO INCORPORATE THE CHANGES IN THE CONDITIONS THAT WE DID SUPPLY TO THE CITY THAT WE WORKED WITH JODY AND MR. MORTEL ON. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD ONE OTHER THING.

WE DID CHANGE THE DATES ON THE ON ALL OF THE EXHIBITS SO THAT THEIR CURRENT DATES, THE PLANS WERE ALL THE ONES YOU APPROVED, BUT THE DATES IN THE ORDINANCE WERE NOT CORRECT.

SO THOSE DATES WERE CHANGED ALSO.

SO WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THIS PROJECT WITH THE REVISIONS THAT MS..

COOGLER WENT WITH.

AND WE DID A DELETE ITEM NUMBER.

YEAH, WE DID DELETE ALSO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH WAS DEALING WITH THE SIDEWALK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED.

AND I CAN READ THAT CONDITION TO YOU.

LET ME JUST FIND THAT.

YEAH. THAT WAS.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY ITEM CONDITION FOUR PRIOR TO APPROVAL OF THE PLAT, THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE A SIDEWALK CONNECTION NORTH OF BUILDING EIGHT TO CONNECT TO THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF BUILDING SEVEN.

AND I BELIEVE THAT AND MR. JOHNSON IS HERE THIS EVENING.

HE CAN EXPLAIN WHY THAT'S NOT NECESSARY.

THAT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE SITE PLANS.

SO IF THAT'S SO THAT CHANGE, THE ONES THAT MISS KUGLER WENT THROUGH AND THEN THE DATES ON THE EXHIBITS, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THE PROJECT AND WE'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

MR RICH. JUST ON PAGE 304, IT INDICATES THAT THE FIRST READING WAS THE 10TH DAY OF OCTOBER 2022.

YOUR MIC ON PAGE MY PAGE 304.

IT INDICATES THE FIRST READING WAS THE 10TH PAST ON THE FIRST READING, THE 10TH DAY OF OCTOBER 2022.

THAT'S INCORRECT, OF COURSE.

THAT WAS MISSED.

ANOTHER DATE. YEAH.

THANK YOU. THAT CAN BE CORRECTED.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT DATES CORRECT.

MR. MAYOR? MR. CLARKE? YEAH, RIGHT.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS. I'M SORRY.

NO, I JUST. YEAH.

UNFORTUNATELY, MR. MAYOR, YOU PRESAGED THIS WHEN WE VOTED ON IT THE FIRST TIME, INDICATING WE MAY.

YOU KNOW, WITH SENATE BILL 102, WE MAY LOOK BACK WITH LONGING ON OUR ABILITY TO TO APPROVE PROJECTS SUCH AS THIS WHEN FACED WITH WHO KNOWS WHAT IN THE FUTURE.

MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. RICH. SO, YEAH, I BROUGHT THAT UP THE LAST TIME BECAUSE I KNOW WE WERE CARRYING THE MATERIALS FROM THE TIME WHEN THIS WAS TAKEN OFF THE AGENDA.

SO MAYBE THOSE MATERIALS ARE BEING CARRIED AND THAT'S WHY THOSE PROPOSED DATES AND SO ON ARE ON THERE.

BUT I HOPE THAT THEY CAN BE CORRECTED.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WITH REGARD TO ORDINANCE.

OH, WE'RE NOT THERE YET. THERE YET.

OKAY. WE HAVEN'T CLOSED OUT THE HEARING YET.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THEN WE HAVE THE WE HAVE THIS LITTLE THING.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO. OKAY, LET'S SEE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT? OKAY. THE PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE HAS ENDED.

THE HEARING IS CLOSED.

DOES ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO MAKE A COMMENT? I DO HAVE ONE CARD, LAURA.

HI AGAIN. LAURA JOBEY 2950 SOUTH EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD.

I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED.

WHEN I LOOKED AT THE STUDY ABOUT THE GROWTH FOR STEWART THAT WAS DONE EARLIER IN THE SESSION, IT SAID WE WERE KIND OF AT MAX AT BUILD.

THE ONLY WAY TO GO FORWARD WAS TO DO ANNEXATION OR REZONING.

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SO I GUESS THE POINT IS IF WE'RE ALREADY AT GROWTH, WHY ARE WE THEN GOING TO ANNEX OR REZONE PARTICULAR PARCELS OF LAND? AND I'M NOT SURE MAYBE MR. MARTEL COULD TELL ME.

I BELIEVE SB 102 ONLY REFERS TO CITY OWNED LAND AND RESIDENTIAL LAND.

DOES IT ALSO? IT DOESN'T.

NO. IT APPLIES TO ALL LAND IN THE CITY.

OKAY. EVEN IF IT'S.

IF IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL.

OKAY. THE PROPERTY NEXT TO LOWE'S ON US ONE RIGHT NOW THAT'S OWNED BY A CAR DEALERSHIP.

OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS THINKING, WHY WOULD WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT FROM FROM COMMERCIAL TO MULTIPLE HOUSING? BUT AGAIN, I MEAN, I KNOW IN LIEU OF SB 102, WE MAY BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING BIGGER, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET AN EXEMPTION FOR CITIES UNDER THE SIZE OF 40 OR 50,000 PEOPLE.

SO THE REALITY IS, AGAIN, HERE WE ARE AGAIN, WE'RE NOW TAKING A PIECE OF PROPERTY COULD HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT MULTIPLE HOUSING.

SO THAT'S JUST MY STATEMENT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? MARK. MARK BRICK BELL, 208 SOUTH EAST STREET, STUART, FLORIDA.

JUST A COUPLE OF GENERAL COMMENTS.

MAYOR, YOU ADDED THE LEASE RESTRICTION, WHICH I THINK INITIALLY IS PROBABLY A GOOD ONE FOR TO KEEP THIS FROM TURNING INTO A, YOU KNOW, JUST A STRICTLY A RENTAL PROJECT. I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT IT'S HOME OWNERSHIP AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY WITH HOME OWNERSHIP TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO LEASE AT SOME POINT WITH BECAUSE THIS HOUSING CAN BECOME AFFORDABLE.

IT MAY NOT BE AFFORDABLE DAY ONE, BUT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BASICALLY, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE LEASED.

THE OTHER THING I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IS HOW YOU CAN LEGALLY RESTRICT THE PERMANENT RESTRICTION ON THE LEASE ABILITY IN THE DOCUMENTS.

I KNOW HOW THE THE ASSOCIATION CAN DO IT.

THEY CAN CHANGE THE DOCUMENTS AND SAY THAT YOU CAN'T LEASE UNLESS YOU'VE OWNED FOR TWO YEARS.

BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD STOP FUTURE RESIDENTS OF THAT PROJECT FROM AMENDING THEIR DECLARATION TO TAKE THAT OUT.

SO I'M CONCERNED WHETHER THE CITY SHOULD PUT SOME LIMIT ON THAT OR OR IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING FROM A CITY STANDPOINT TO PERMANENTLY RESTRICT THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY.

ANYWAY, THAT'S MY COMMENTS.

OKAY. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, SO LET'S SEE.

OKAY. CAN WE HAVE TIME FOR A MOTION? MOTION REGARDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2487 2023 TO ADOPT THE PROPOSAL WITH ALL THE FOUR CHANGES BY STAFF AND TO MAKE ANY NECESSARY CHANGES TO THE TO THE WRITTEN DOCUMENTS SO THAT WHEN THE THING IS ADOPTED WITH THE BACKUP PAPERWORK THAT IT IT HAS APPROPRIATE DATES AND TIMING IN IT.

THERE'S MORE MOTION TO APPROVE.

24, 87.

2023. OKAY.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.

A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RICH.

ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION? MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? COMMISSIONER RICH.

YES. COMMISSIONER CLARK.

YES. VICE MAYOR BRUNER.

MY CONSTITUENTS HAVE ADVISED ME TO SAY VOTE NO.

COMMISSIONER COLLINS? NO. MAYOR MACDONALD? YES. LIKE EVERYBODY GOES AND PASSES.

OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 12 AND THE LAST ITEM OF THE NIGHT.

PROPERTIES LLC ZONING MAP AMENDMENT.

[12. FS PROPRTIES LLC., ZONING MAP AMENDMENT (RC): ORDINANCE No. 2513-2023; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY’S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP; TO REFLECT THE REZONING OF A 0.68 ACRE PARCEL; LOCATED AT 2970 SE DOMINICA TERRACE; BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT “A” ATTACHED; FROM COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT “CPUD” TO BUSINESS – GENERAL (B-2) ZONING DISTRICT; PROVIDING DIRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

MIKE, THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2513-2023.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY'S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REFLECT THE ZONING OR REZONING OF A 0.68 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED AT 2970 SOUTHEAST DOMINICA TERRACE, BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A ATTACHED FROM COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT OR PUD TO BUSINESS GENERAL B TO ZONING DISTRICT, PROVIDING DIRECTION TO THE CITY CLERK, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

OKAY. AND WHO'S JODIE? THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER.

AGAIN, MY NAME IS JODIE KUGLER.

I AM PRESENTING ITEM 12.

IT SAYS ON THE PRESENTATION 11.

THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF A REZONING LOCATED AT.

2970 SOUTHEAST JAMAICA TERRACE.

THIS IS THE ADVERTISEMENT THAT WAS REQUIRED THAT WAS PLACED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND ALSO A PROPERTY WAS POSTED.

A SIGN WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY AND MAILERS WENT OUT WITH WITHIN 300FT.

THIS IS THE SIGN.

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