[5. SIGN UP AND SAVE INCENTIVE PROGRAM (RC): RESOLUTION No. 23-2023; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING A REVISED SIGN UP AND SAVE INCENTIVE TO UNSEWERED PROPERTIES IN THE CITY OF STUART FOR THE PERIOD BEGINNING APRIL 1, 2023, AND ENDING ON MARCH 31, 2024. PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

SET UP PROGRAM. THIS IS RESOLUTION. 23-2 OH 23, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING A REVISED SIGN UP AND SAVE INCENTIVE TO UN SEWARD PROPERTIES IN THE CITY OF STEWART FOR THE PERIOD BEGINNING APRIL 1ST 2023 ENDING ON MARCH 31ST 2020 FOR PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. PRIOR TO THE MEETING, MARY KENDALL, THE CITY CLERK, PROVIDED UM EDITED VERSIONS OF THE RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF EACH ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS. THERE WAS JUST A COUPLE OF REVISIONS THAT DAVE PETERS HAD ASKED THAT WERE INCLUDED. FIRST ONE IS IN THE FIRST, WHEREAS CLAUSE STATES WHEREAS THE CITY'S VOLUNTARY SEPTIC TO SEWER PROGRAM HAS RESULTED IN MORE THAN 50% OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. OWNERS SIGNING AGREEMENTS TO CONNECT TO THE CITYWIDE LOW PRESSURE SEWER SYSTEM AND THUS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SIGN UP AND SAVE INCENTIVES. THE OTHER EDIT WAS, WHEREAS THE CITY OF THE STUART CITY COMMISSION HAS A DESIRE TO RE ESTABLISH INCENTIVES TO THE REMAINING IN SEWARD, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN THE CITY THAT REMAIN ON SEPTIC SYSTEMS. MR MAYOR. SO THIS THIS ITEM HAS BEEN ASKED BY FOUR BY A FEW COMMISSIONERS, AND IT'S

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UM IF IT'S EXTRA, WE'RE PAYING THAT SO IT IS EXTRA, NO MATTER WHAT THE COST NOW IS APPROXIMATELY. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER, BUT APPROXIMATELY $10,000. FOR ANY HOUSEHOLD TO SIGN UP BY THE TIME THEY'RE HOOKED UP AND CONNECTED AND THE GRINDER SYSTEM INSTALLED AND EVERYTHING THE CITY UNDER THE SIGN UP AND SAVE PROGRAM IS WILLING TO DO IT FOR $8000 AND LOSE $2000 PER CONNECTION. AND THE $8000. THE CITY ALSO TECHNICALLY LOSES MONEY ON AS WELL BECAUSE YOU GET AN INTEREST OR AN INTEREST FREE LOAN THAT IS ESSENTIALLY TACKED ONTO YOUR UTILITY BILL FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS TO BREAK IT UP SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY OR TWO IS A 10 YEAR, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BREAK IT ALL AT ONCE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME EACH ONE OF THOSE HOOKUPS IS GOING TO COME WITH. AND INCREASED BILL, RIGHT? PAY FOR WHATEVER THAT INCREMENTAL CHARGES AND YOU'RE GONNA THEN BE PAYING FOR SEWER OBVIOUSLY HAVE SEVEN GRAND LAND AROUND THAT YOUR BEST OPTION IN THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING IT IS BECAUSE IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US CITIZENS AND I JUST THINK IT'S WONDERFUL. SO ANYWAY, WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ONE. GAIL GOLDIE. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. GOLDIE 1153 NORTHWEST 12TH TERRORISTS. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO PURSUE THE SEPTIC TO SEWER. I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PROGRAM. AND WE REALLY DO NEED THAT. MY QUESTION IS, UM , I'M HOPING THAT THIS CAN BE OFFERED TO THE BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY. IN ADDITION TO THE RESIDENTIAL, I HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT OWNED BUSINESSES HERE IN THE CITY AND THEY ARE LOOKING VERY, VERY HOPEFUL THAT THIS CAN BE A PROGRAM THAT CAN GO TO THE BUSINESSES AS WELL. SPEAK TO THAT. SO THERE IS I DIDN'T NUMBER TWO WITHIN. THIS IS COMMERCIAL. IF IT INCLUDES A SIMPLEX GRINDER, AND THEN THAT THE IF IT INCLUDES MORE UP TO 46 , THE COST IS A LITTLE HIGHER BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PUT A BIGGER

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TANK IN BUT THERE IS COMMERCIAL IS PART OF THIS AS WELL. AND WHEN WILL THIS IS THERE A DATE? WHEN THIS WILL BE THEY CAN APPLY, OR IS IT AS SOON AS THE COMMISSION COMES UP, ACTUALLY, APRIL 1ST FIRST. OKAY THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? NOT A JOKE. SAYING DONE MARRIED. COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES BRUNER. YES COMMISSIONER. RICH YES.

COLLINS YES. MCDONALD'S YES. OKAY LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX. MIKE. THIS IS A RESOLUTION FOR

[6. AUTHORIZATION OF MAYOR TO EXECUTE INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY CONTRACT (RC): RESOLUTION No. 24-2023; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO AND EXECUTE AN EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT WITH PAUL J. NICOLETTI, ESQ. FOR THE INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY POSITION; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY CONTRACT. ITS RESOLUTION 24-2023 RESOLUTION, THE CITY COMMISSION, THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO AN EXECUTED EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT WITH PAUL J. NICOLETTI ESQUIRE FOR THE INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY POSITION, WRITING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. PRIOR TO THE MEETING. UM THE CLERK PROVIDED EVERYBODY WITH THE COPY OF THE PROPOSED CONTRACT ESSENTIALLY PARAGRAPHS TWO AND FOUR THE ONES THAT ARE FAIRLY RELEVANT TO THE PROCEEDINGS. THE PROPOSAL THAT MR NICOLETTI HAS AGREED TO WOULD BE THAT HE WOULD PROVIDE UP TO 10 HOURS OF LEGAL SERVICES PER WEEK. AT THE RATE OF $200 AN HOUR. UM ROSS JOHNSON FROM THE. HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT TODAY . SIGNIFICANT UM, VERY PROCESS.

AND COMPARED IT TO A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES. THE AVERAGE RATE IN THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS $252 AN HOUR. UM AND THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER TERMS, ETCETERA. THIS WOULD BE LIKE I SAID $200 AN HOUR MAXIMUM 10 HOURS A WEEK. THE ONLY ISSUE WAS THAT HAS MR NICOLETTI POINTED OUT FOR THE MEETING, AND I THINK EVERYONE WAS AWARE. HE IS GOING TO BE AWAY DURING THE MONTH OF FROM APRIL TO MAY, 8TH AND THEN AGAIN FROM JUNE 22ND 2 JULY SEVENTH.

AS A RESULT, HE'S GOING TO MISS TWO MEETINGS IN APRIL AND JUNE 26TH MEETING. UM, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. I WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNING TO BE IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA. FROM JUNE 1ST TO JUNE 28TH. AND HAD I NOT BEEN APPOINTED AS INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND CONTINUE TO SERVE AS CITY ATTORNEY. I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR TWO MEETINGS AS THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE MONTH OF JUNE AND WAS PLANNING TO APPEAR BY ZOOM FOR THOSE TWO MEETINGS. I'M NOT GOING TO MISS THE MEETINGS AS THE ACTING CITY MANAGER. I ONLY OFFER THAT BECAUSE THERE IS PRECEDENT. UM, WHEN I WAS IN TALLAHASSEE ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS. UM I WANT APPEARED COMPLETELY BY ZOOM FOR ONE MEETING BECAUSE IT WAS ON A MONDAY NIGHT AND I HAD TO BE THERE FIRST THING TUESDAY MORNING AND ANOTHER TIME I APPEARED BY ZOOM IN MY CAR DRIVING BACK FROM TALLAHASSEE BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET BACK IN TIME. UM THE INTENTION OBVIOUSLY IS, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE EVERYBODY PRESENT. BUT UM, THE THOUGHT WAS THAT IT'S ONLY THOSE ISOLATED CIRCUMSTANCES AND BECAUSE MR NICOLETTI HAD SO MUCH EXPERIENCE WITH THE CODE, THE L. D. R S AND THE CITY HIS, UM, EXPERIENCE OUTWEIGHED THE ABSENCE. ALSO, THE REALITY IS I MEAN, I DON'T BELIEVE HIS ANSWERS TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE DURING THAT MEETING WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF YOU WERE IN PERSON VERSUS ON THE PHONE. REPORT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM COUPLE OF WORDS OVER IT, UM I THINK SEVERAL WEEKS AGO I MENTIONED IT TO THE HR MANAGER. THE. MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT, UM LAWYERS AND I MENTIONED UH, TONY GEORGE. AND MR WATERS. AND THEN, UM, MR NICOLETTI SAID, IF YOU NEED ME, I'M THERE FOR YOU. I'M AVAILABLE. UM WE'RE ARE SMALL TOWN AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS GROW AS THEY GO AND YOU SAY SOMETHING. TIME IT GETS OVER THERE, BUT WHATEVER THE I JUST WANT TO MENTION ALL THAT TO WHATEVER MY COMMISSIONERS WANT TO DO ALSO OTHER COMMENTS. THE MOTION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A I'D MAKE A MOTION TO EXCEPT THIS INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT AND I HAVE A COMMENT. UH IF THERE'S ANYBODY, UM, WANTED TO SECOND MY MOTION. ALRIGHT THANKS. CAN I MAKE A COMMENT NUMBER FOUR? ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MR. MR. UM MR. MORE TELL MENTIONED THAT ITEM NUMBER TWO. I GUESS YOU THINK THAT ITEM

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NUMBER TWO. THE IMPORTANT PART IS THE NUMBER ONE THE NUMBER OF HOURS IN THE RATE FOR OUR THE $200 PER HOUR, WHICH I THINK THAT ROZ IF ROZ HAS DONE OUR SURVEY, AND MR MORTAL HAS DONE A SURVEY, AND THAT SEEMS REASONABLE. UM I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT. UM I'VE HAD MY EXPERIENCES AN ATTORNEY AS WELL AS THE TYPE OF WORK THAT I THINK MAYBE DONE AN ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

I JUST HAVE A FEW CONCERNS. I'D LIKE TO BRING THEM UP. THEY'RE NOT CRITICAL, BUT, UM WE REFERRED TO IN THIS CONTRACT. WE REFERRED TO THE UM, PERSON WHO WERE HOPING TO HIRE AS MR NICOLETTI THROUGHOUT, ALTHOUGH IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH YEAH, I DID, SAY PAUL J. NICOLETTI HERE IN REFERRED TO AS MR NICOLETTI AND ITEM NUMBER FOUR. WE DIDN'T PUT MR NICOLA IS IF WE COULD PUT THAT BECAUSE EVERYWHERE ELSE, JUST CONSISTENCY. IT HAS SAID, MR NICOLETTI, AND THE OTHER THING WAS THAT IT SAYS THAT HE WOULD HAVE NO OTHER BENEFITS, HE WOULD GET THE CITY EMPLOYMENT CENTER. AND HE WOULD GET REGULAR EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS. UM BASED ON HIS PAYCHECK AND SO ON, BUT HE WOULD NOT BE AFFORDED ANY OTHER BENEFIT. SO I JUST MADE A NOTE TO MYSELF. DOES IT MEAN THAT HE GETS NO SPECIAL ISSUE OF A PHONE OR NO SPECIAL ISSUE OF A CAR, BUT THEN I GO DOWN TO NUMBER SIX. WHERE IT SAYS THAT HE IS ABLE TO UTILIZE CITY OWNED VEHICLE, WHICH I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REALIZE THAT JUST USING THE VEHICLE IS, UM, DISTINGUISHED FROM HIM HAVING A PARTICULAR CAR ASSIGNED TO HIM IN THE EVENT THAT THE CITY COMMISSION SENT HIM SOMEWHERE MORE THAN 50 MILES AWAY FROM THE CITY OF STEWART. OKAY SO THAT'S THE ONLY PART THAT THAT'S THERE IN LIEU OF REIMBURSEMENT. OKAY SO THEN HE WOULD JUST HAVE HE COULD, BUT HE DOES. HE WOULDN'T DRIVE A CITY CAR AROUND TOWN FOR SAFE OR ANYTHING LIKE JUMPING SOMETHING TO GO SOMEWHERE.

THAT'S FINE. THAT'S GOOD, JUST FOR IF HE WERE TO DRIVE HIS OWN CAR WE WOULD LEGALLY OWE HIM AND A MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT, SO IT WOULD BE THE OPTION OF EITHER IF IT WAS MORE THAN 50 MILES FROM THE CITY. I THINK IT'S THE SAME THING FOR ALL THE CITY STAFF FOR THE CITY COMMISSIONERS. IT'S THE SAME, UH, BY THE WAY, I ALSO DIDN'T ANTICIPATE SENDING HIM ANYWHERE MORE THAN 50 MILES FROM THE CITY. THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE OF THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING, OF COURSE, IS THE, UM THE IDEA OF, UM AH, HIM HAVING PRE, UH, PLANS FOR TRAVEL, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE GO SLEEP IN YOUR IN THE SUMMER OR ANYTHING. WHAT I THINK THAT, UH, KNOWING THE CALIBER OF WORK THAT I EXPECT FROM MR NICOLETTI UH, IF WE DO GO AHEAD WITH THIS CONTRACT, I BELIEVE THAT, UM HE'LL BE MORE THAN WILLING AND ABLE AND AMPLE, TOO. BE PARTICIPATIVE AT OUR MEETINGS . AND PRIOR TO OUR MEETINGS, UM UH, SIDE. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S LIKE A NUMBER NINE. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SUBCONTRACTING COUNTS, UM UH, SERVICES OR SIGNING ANYTHING OR DOING ANYTHING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WE ARE PAYING FOR 10 HOURS A WEEK, AND WE ARE PROBABLY MORE SO PAIN FOR STAYING WITHIN THE LINES IN TERMS OF CITY COUNCIL. MEDIAN. AND HE'S NOT GOING TO BE A MAJOR LITIGATOR FOR THE CITY WITHIN THE HARBOR MONEY MONTHS THAT WE HAVE HIM HERE. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE LIMITED TO CERTAIN THINGS. I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE UP TO 10 HOURS A WEEK. WHATEVER YOU GUYS DIRECT. AND IT'S AN AT WILL. I THINK I CIRCLED THAT SOMEWHERE. AH WHERE IS IT? YEAH AT THE VERY FIRST THING, OF COURSE, BECAUSE WE'RE IN FLORIDA. WE KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE, SO HE'S AN ACT WILL BASIS INDEFINITE PERIOD. I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT WHEN I WAS SPEAKING TO MR NICOLETTI, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID DO IS HAVE THE AGREEMENT MENTIONED SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT POSSIBLY REVISITING IT. ON THAT JULY 8TH OR SEVENTH OR EIGHTH IN THE EVENT THAT COMMISSION WANTED MORE TIME OR IF THERE WAS IF IT WAS TURNING OUT THAT HE FELT LIKE HE WASN'T ABLE TO DO IT, AND HE THOUGHT THERE SHOULD BE MORE TIME. WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE . IT'S KIND OF AN OPENER TO COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, WAIT A SECOND. HOW IS THIS GOING KIND OF THING? OR IF EVERYONE THEMES IT'S GOING FINE. IT CAN JUST KIND OF CONTINUE FLOATING ALONG FOR THE REST OF THE SUMMER.

SHOULD WE GET OUR FEELERS UP TO . DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT LATER. YEAH, WE'LL BE LOOKING. YEAH YEAH, IT'S A TEMPORARY THING. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND COMMISSIONER RICH DID YOU WANT

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TO MAKE A COMMENT? YES SO YOU KNOW THIS HAS NOT BEEN AS EASY AS IT MIGHT APPEAR, UM THIS AGREEMENT, IN FACT, IS DIFFERENT THAN THE INITIAL AGREEMENT. MR. NICHOLS MR NICOLETTI AND THE CITY REACHED AND THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE INTO SOME CONCERNS EXPRESSED REGARDING. MR NICOLETTI IS PLANNED TRIPS IN THE NEAR FUTURE. AH, UM UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT AND COMMISSIONER CLARK MENTIONED THAT ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THE CITY DID WAS, IN FACT , SEND OUR HR OUT, TOO. SEE I WHAT ATTORNEYS WERE AVAILABLE AT WHAT RATE AND AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT THERE WERE NO ATTORNEYS OUT THERE AT THIS RATE OF $200 PER HOUR? I AM MORE THAN THAT. I'M NOT 100% I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY THAT WERE LOWER THAN THAT. I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS OTHERS THAT WOULD DO $200 AN HOUR, BUT THEY WEREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY OF STEWART. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO DO $200 AN HOUR FOR ONLY LESS THAN 10 HOURS PER WEEK. UM. IN ADDITION, SOME OF THE NAMES THAT WERE MENTIONED THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER COULD YOU READ THE LIST ? MR MARTEL, OF ALL THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT INDIVIDUALS WORKING FOR IT THIS TIME? FOR THE VAST GUY. UM I CAN PULL IT UP. I THINK IT'S ON THE INTERNET. UM, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. IS IT 20 OR 30? IT'S A LOT. IT'S A, UM. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. IT'S COMING UP RIGHT NOW. UM, THEY PROVIDE A. I DON'T THINK HAVING TROUBLE FINDING IT, BUT IT WAS THEY PROVIDE MUNICIPAL UH, SERVICES TO COURSE INDIAN TOWN BEING ONE OF THEM, BUT THEIR OFFICES ARE NORTH OF ORLANDO, AND THEN THEY ALSO PROVIDE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCEEDINGS AND OTHER UM, SERVICES TO I THINK IT'S ABOUT 15 OR 20 DIFFERENT CITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE. AND ISN'T IT ALSO CORRECT THAT EVEN THESE OTHER ATTORNEYS, WE CONSIDERED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE PROBABLY NOT BEEN ABLE TO ATTEND IN PERSON WOULD AND WOULD HAVE ATTENDED THE MEETINGS BY ZOOM SO I DON'T KNOW. UM. FOR SURE WHETHER THEY WOULD OR WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ATTEND THE ACTUAL MEETINGS. BUT I KNOW FOR SURE THAT ALL OF THE ATTORNEYS.

WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO BE. ANY OF THE LOCAL NAMES MENTIONED OR WHETHER IT WAS THE BOSS LAW FIRM WOULD HAVE BEEN DOING THE WORK FROM THEIR OFFICES SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PRESENT, SO YOU WOULD BE CALLING THEM ON THE PHONE AND YOU WOULDN'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. AND SO YOU KNOW MOST OF MY CONSULTATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AROUND PHONE, SO I DON'T HAVE BY PHONE . I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. I HAVEN'T LIST IF YOU WANT TO READ IT. YOU KNOW, WHEREVER HE IS? UM . IF MR MARTEL HAS NOT BEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY I PERHAPS THE ABSENCE OF MR NECK, NICOLETTI WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREATER CONCERN, BUT IT'S HARDLY LIKE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT PROFICIENCY HERE IN THE ROOM WITH US. HE'S JUST UNFORTUNATELY , WILL HAVE TO WORK, POSSIBLY WHERE TWO HATS FOR A COUPLE OF MEETINGS, BUT YOU KNOW, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THIS.

AS FAR AS BILLING. DOES ANYBODY KNOW CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BETTER THAN MR NICOLETTI? I FIND IT UNLIKELY. BETTER MAYBE EQUALLY EQUALLY. SO YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ASKED HIM A QUESTION, THAT'S NOT HE'S NOT GOING TO CHARGE US AN HOUR TO DO RESEARCH WILL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO TELL US WHERE EXACTLY TO GO. UH YOU KNOW, SECTION AND SO I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY NO BETTER VALUE AVAILABLE TO US. AND THIS IS AN INTERIM. I CONFIDENT, SAYING MR NICOLETTI HAS NO INTEREST IN COMING BACK POSITION PERMANENTLY. SO UM, AND I THINK THAT WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THEM. I MEAN, HMM. WE'RE ASKING HIM. YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THIS. YEAH. SO, UM I THINK THE CITY AND MR NICOLETTI AND THE COMMISSION HAVE COME TO A VERY SENSIBLE AGREEMENT. AND AS MISS CLARK, COMMISSIONER, CLARK POINTS OUT THAT WELL, IF IT BECOMES UNWORKABLE, WERE ABLE TO MAKE CHANGES. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR, OKAY? DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE?

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YEAH DO WE HEAR THE RECORD? YES KAREN HALL? YES. DREDGE 17. OH, ONE SOUTH WEST PALM CITY RED.

ANYWAY. NO DID I HEAR CORRECTLY ? HE'S GOING TO CONTINUE MR KNUCKLE. IT WILL BE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT MAGISTRATE HERE AT THE CITY AND HE WILL BE THE MAGISTRATE AT THE COUNTY AND BE THE ATTORNEY. OH HE'S THE CONTRACT CLEARLY STATES THAT HE WILL NOT BE SERVING AS THE CITY MAGISTRATE DURING OKAY, THAT WILL BE HE BE COUNTY MAGISTRATE . I DON'T KNOW. OKAY WELL, I WANNA ENVIRONMENTAL LAWYERS. SO WOULD ANYWAY AND NOW I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD KEEP ALL VERY LONG. OKAY. THE OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. MARRIAGE HELD THE ROLE. THAT'S WHAT THE CHANGING ITEM NUMBER FOUR FOR THE TWO LITTLE LETTERS ARE PERIOD. YEAH. OKAY, COMMISSIONER RICH. WAS THAT ME? YES MAYOR. MCDONALD YES. COLLINS YES, MAYOR BRUNER. YES, COMMISSIONER CLARK? YES? YOU'LL BE GONE. ITEM NUMBER 7 90 DAY EXTENSION FOR DUE DILIGENCE AND OLD MAN SITTING

[7. 90 DAY EXTENSION FOR DUE DILIGENCE ON OLD CITY LANDFILL PROPERTY (RC): RESOLUTION No. 25-2023; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING AN EXTENSION OF NINETY (90) DAYS OF DUE DILIGENCE TO THE VACANT LAND CONTRACT ENTERED INTO WITH PURCHASER, GOLDSTEIN KITE ENVIRONMENTAL, LLC AND THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA RELATED TO THE SALE OF THE OLD CITY LANDFILL PROPERTY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES]

LANDFILL PROPERTY, MIKE YES, SHE IS. OKAY RESOLUTION 25 2023, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE EXTENSION OF 90 DAYS OF DUE DILIGENCE TO THE VACANT LAND CONTRACT ENTERED INTO WITH PURCHASER GOLDSTEIN, KITE ENVIRONMENTAL LLC AND THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA RELATED TO THE SALE OF THE OLD CITY LANDFILL PROPERTY. PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. YOU HAVE EMOTIONS MOTION FOR A RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-2023. REGARDING AUTHORIZING AN EXTENSION OF 90 DAYS OF DUE DILIGENCE TO THE VACANT LAND CONTRACT. THE SECOND IN A SECOND. OKAY WE HAVE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK, SECOND BY VICE MAYOR BRUDER. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS MOTION BY VICE MAYOR BRUNER OR THE SECOND RESOLUTION NUMBER? $25 2023 COMMISSIONER CLARK SECOND BY VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SAYING NONE MARRIAGE COLORADO. MCDONALD I'M SURE MR MAYOR. I'M SORRY. HOLD UP FOR ONE JOB, MR DEISS. DID THEY GIVE A SPECIFIC REASON FOR THIS EXTENSION? DID THEY ENCOUNTER SOMETHING THEY HAD NOT EXPECTED OR JUST THEY'RE JUST NOT FAR NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG IN THEIR DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD TO BE ABLE TO CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY YET THEY'RE STILL IN THERE. DO YOU FEEL THE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PERFORM IN THIS TIME? THIS EXTENSION OF TIME? THE OTHER ONE THAT ASKED FOR THE 90 DAYS, SO I SURE HOPE SO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. MARY MCDONALD? YES, RICH. YES BRUNER. YES CLARK? YES, YES. OKAY ITEM NUMBER EIGHT

[8. AUTHORIZATION TO NEGOTIATE LEASE FOR 2 ACRE VACANT PARCEL NORTH OF ROOSEVELT BRIDGE (RC): RESOLUTION No. 26-2023; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE A VACANT LAND LEASE WITH REPRESENTATIVE(S) FROM SLC COMMERCIAL FOR THE LEASE OF THE CITY OWNED HANEY CREEK TWO (2) ACRE PARCEL; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

AUTHORIZED TO NEGOTIATE LEASE FOR TWO ACRE VACANT PARCEL NORTH OF ROOSEVELT BRIDGE. MIKE. THIS IS RESOLUTION 26 2023 RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STEWART FLORA AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE A VACANT LAND LEASE WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM SLC COMMERCIAL FOR THE LEASE OF THE CITY OWNED HANEY CREEK, TWO ACRE PARCEL, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. UM DAVID, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HANDLE THIS. UM THIS WAS A BASICALLY, WE'VE HAD THAT PROPERTY ADVERTISED FOR MANY YEARS FOR RELIEF FOR COMMERCIAL LEASE, AND THIS WAS UNSOLICITED APPROACH BY REALTOR FROM SLC, ASKING IF THE COMMISSION WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DOING A LAND LEASE FOR TWO, UH, RESTAURANTS ON THE PROPERTY. UM SO WE HAVE NOT. HE HAS NOT DONE THE DUE DILIGENCE OR ANY NEGOTIATIONS OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. THIS IS JUST Y'ALL'S OPINION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD PURSUE . UM THIS PARTICULAR VENTURE SLC IS STUART LAND COMPANY FOR THE ABBREVIATION FOR SO YOU'RE AWARE SO THIS WILL PROVIDE FOR HIM THE ABILITY TO DO THAT DUE DILIGENCE. I SHOULDN'T SAY YEAH COMPANY THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO INCUR. THE EXPENSE AND COST. PUTTING TOGETHER DUE DILIGENCE AND DESIGN. IF IN FACT THE COMMISSION WAS GOING TO VOTE NO TO THE END USE ANYWAY. SO THE THOUGHT WAS THAT YOU GUYS COULD HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON IT IN ADVANCE. MR CALLEN, SO. I HAVE SOME STATEMENTS AND QUESTIONS.

WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR THIS PARCEL? FROM WHAT I UNDERSTANDING. THERE WAS A JOINT RESOLUTION WITH THE COUNTY. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR THIS TO BE ABLE TO BE DESIGNATED AS PART OF HANEY CREEK OFFICIALLY AND TAKEN OUT OF THAT TWO ACRE UM YOU KNOW , I KNOW AT THE TIME THE IDEA

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WAS TO OFFSET THE COST OF MANAGING HENNY CREEK. UM BUT IN LIGHT OF SB 102 AND. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE GIVING AN ACCOUNTING OF OUR LAND, POTENTIALLY TO BE OFFERED OVER FOUR MULTI FAMILY. MY THOUGHT PROCESS WOULD BE IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD THIS MEAN THAT THAT ISSUE IS AVAILABLE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD SOLVE THAT TOO. I MEAN, IF IT WAS A COMMERCIAL USE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GIVE YOUR LAND OVER BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE VACANT, RIGHT? BUT IT WAS A REFERENDUM ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE IN, UM 2000, AND I THINK IT WAS 12. I WASN'T HERE THAT YEAR, BUT I KNOW THAT MR NICOLETTI WAS INVOLVED, AND THERE WAS A I THINK IT WAS A BEAVER OR SOMETHING WAS THE MARKETING AN HONOR BUT BUT THE VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT WAS OVER 80% SO, YEAH, 12 86, BUT SO THE QUESTION REALLY BECOMES A THERE'S TWO PARTS TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. FIRST THE COUNTY AND THE CITY WOULD BOTH HAVE TO TAKE A POSITION ON IT BECAUSE ITS OWN JOINTLY BETWEEN THE TWO AS IT RELATES TO UNDOING THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT FOR THAT TWO ACRES. THE REAL QUESTION WOULD BE YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO DO ANOTHER REFERENDUM TO UNDO THE REFERENDUM MANDATE BECAUSE PROCEDURALLY ONCE YOU HAVE A REFERENDUM VOTE. IT WOULD SEEM THAT WOULD REQUIRE A MANDATE AND IT WOULD REQUIRE A REFERENDUM VOTE. THAT SEEMS EXTREME, BUT IN LIGHT OF WHAT'S COMING. I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PRESERVE GREEN SPACE. AND AND THAT'S SUCH AN AWKWARD SPACE THAT TWO ACRES TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S COMMERCIAL AND JUST IN TALKING TO RESIDENTS WHEN IT'S COME UP FOR IT TO POTENTIALLY BE MULTI FAMILY. PEOPLE WANT THAT TO STAY GREEN SPACE. THEY DON'T WANT TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THERE, ACROSS FROM NORTH RIVER SHORE'S , I SENSED THE PUBLIC SENTIMENT IS FOR THAT TO BE DESIGNATED AS A PARK OFFICIALLY A PART OF HANDY CREEK AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT HURTING FOR MONEY THAT WE NEED TO OFFSET THAT COST FOR HANDY CREEK. I THINK HAVING A BIG GREEN SPACE IS HIGHEST AND BEST USED IN MOST VALUABLE IN LIGHT OF WHAT'S COMING, AND I KNOW IT'S HAVING TO GIVE AN ACCOUNT FOR OUR LAND. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S MY THOUGHT. PROCESS, YOU KNOW. WELL, YOU KNOW, I WAS HERE WHEN WE DID THIS AND SO I'M TORN BECAUSE I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I ALSO WAS REMEMBER WHEN WE PURCHASED THE LAD WHEN WE PURCHASED LAND. IT WAS A DIFFERENT CHRISTMAS DIFFERENT TIMES. 2011 WE TOOK WE, ALONG WITH THE COUNTY TOOK THAT LAND OUT OF COMMERCIAL POTENTIAL FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. UM AND I THINK THERE WAS ACTUALLY A PROPOSED PLAN. AND AT ONE TIME A BOULEVARD YEAH, AND, UM. AND AT THE TIME AND YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER IN 2011. THE CITY WAS STILL LAYING OFF AND PULL OR NOT, I KICKED AT THAT TIME WE HAD PROBABLY STOPPED LAYING OFF EMPLOYEES WERE OUR BUDGET WAS PROBABLY A MILLION EIGHT. THAT'S A MONTH. I MEAN, WE WERE. IT WAS A VERY FINANCIALLY DIFFICULT TIME UNTIL WHEN WE SO IT WAS ACTUALLY A BIG DEAL TO GO AND FOR THE CITY AND THE COUNTY TO SPEND $4 MILLION IN THAT PROPERTY AND PUT IT INTO CONSERVATION. UM ALWAYS THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE BEST THINGS WE EVER DID. UM AND WHAT? THERE WAS ALSO A SWAP OF ANOTHER. PIECE OF PROPERTY IN ORDER TO WHAT WAS CALLED WHAT THE FLAG LOT GAVE UP ONE OF OUR PARCELS. YEAH WE GAVE UP ANOTHER PARCEL.

WELL, THAT WAS KIND OF BEHIND FRANKENSTEIN'S OR THE, UM THE WHAT IS THAT STORY? THE LAWNMOWER PLACE OR WHATEVER IT IS. I DON'T CLEAN IT FOR SOMETHING. YEAH. SO AND THEN LATER ON, WE CAME BACK AND WE DON'T KNOW. I DON'T THINK WE DID A FEW DEAL. WE DID CERTAINLY DID THE LAND USE FOR COMMERCIAL CITY DID A. IT'S NOT IT GAVE IT A APPROVAL FOR UP TO A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE. THE HOTEL WHETHER IT WAS RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL OR OTHERWISE OFFICE BUILDING. AS WELL AS THESE USES IT PREVENTED. I ATTACHED THE MARKETING PIECE TO THE AGENDA ITEM. BUT IT IT ALSO I THINK THE RESTRICTION WAS NO GAS STATIONS . DEVELOPMENT ORDER THAT YOU DID. IT'S NOT A TRUE P U D. BUT IT'S A DEVELOPMENT ORDER, SO IT BASICALLY HAS CONDITIONS AND SAYS UP TO THIS UP TO THAT SO THAT PEOPLE COULD COME IN. JUST SEEMS LIKE, UH AND I THINK IT'S A SIN TO CUT ALL THAT DOWN, AND I THINK WE WOULD HAVE WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THE COUNTY TO SIGN OFF. IS THAT A PROCESS THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE OPEN TO? OBVIOUSLY THE YOU GUYS AS A BOARD, IT'S MORE OF THE QUESTION OF THE COST OF THE REFERENDUM IN THE REFERENDUM. LIKE HOW DO YOU NOT FOLLOW THE MANDATE, WHICH WOULD BE YOU CAN HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION TO BE 50,000, PROBABLY

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UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA WAIT TILL NOVEMBER AND PUT IT IN THE REGULAR ELECTION. KICK THE CAN.

UNTIL THEN, ACTUALLY, THERE ISN'T A REGULAR ELECTION THIS YEAR WILL HAVE TO WAIT TILL 2024 TO NOT DO A SPECIAL ELECTION. I'M TORN BETWEEN TWO. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PART OF YOU WANTS THAT TO STATE LIKE THAT. BUT THE OTHER PART IS WHY IT WAS SET ASIDE TO MAKE MONEY. WELL, YOU KNOW, RELEASING FOR 100. YEARS FOR SO MUCH, AND IT CONTINUES. IT'S ALWAYS I THINK OF IT LIKE THAT AS A BUSINESS WHERE WE GOT MONEY COMING IN, BUT IT IS. I THINK, IF YOU GO THAT DIRECTION, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE HERE IN DROVES. THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE THEIR MINDS. AND IF WE HAVE TO DO A REFERENDUM, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S WORTH. THE PROPERTY'S BEEN BEING MARKETED. THE CITY COMMISSION VOTED AND ENTERED INTO A LETTER OF INTENT. I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2019 OR 20. UM . TO SWITCHING. LET UM A FIVE OH ONE C THREE HAVE A YEAR TO TRY AND OBTAIN SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR A DESIGN FACTORS. SO ANY INCREASE THEIR CITY RECEIVED DURING THAT TIME FRAME, AND IT ACTUALLY ENDED UP BEING ABOUT 16 MONTHS. AT ANY TIME TO THE CITY RECEIVED ANY INCREASE DURING THAT 16 MONTHS. STAFF SAID. SORRY. IT'S YOU KNOW, OBLIGATED AT THIS TIME. JUST, UH I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S SEPTEMBER. OCTOBER WAS WHEN THE COMMISSION ENDED UP NOT MOVING FORWARD ON THE PROGRAM, SO IT BECAME AVAILABLE AGAIN. THEN. AND ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. MR DIAS RECEIVED THIS INQUIRY AGAIN AND AS A RESULT, WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO TAKE IT OFF OF THE OFFICIAL MARKET. HOWEVER, THAT'S WORTH OFF MARKET. WELL, IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT YET IT IS. IT'S JUST RIGHT UNTIL SUCH TIME AS IT'S NOT $50,000 TO HAVE IT BE REFERENDUM ITEM. YOU KNOW, AND PUT IT ON.

RICH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST OVER 2% OF THE SIZE OF THIS PARK. THAT'S WHAT THIS ACREAGE REPRESENTS. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN, COMMISSIONER COLLINS BUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE CAN GENERATE AND IF WE CAN COMMIT THAT TO MAINTAINING UPGRADING THAT PARK. I THINK THE VALUE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED BY ALL THE RESIDENTS OF STEWART, WHO ARE ABLE TO ENJOY IT, SO THEY'RE GOING TO PREFER THAT WE CUT DOWN THAT GREEN SPACE SO THAT THE TAX REVENUES OFFSET REALLY IT'S NOT A TAX REVENUE OFFSET RIGHT, SO THERE'S EXTRA REVENUE GENERATED . DO YOU THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS COLLINS YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT THAT THE MONEY DOESN'T GO TO US AT ALL? THE MONEY GOES TO THE RESTORATION OF HONEY CREEK. THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT'S PART OF THE REFEREE RIGHT NOW, NOTHING HAPPENING. WE'RE ABLE TO SWING THAT AND IT'S FINE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. IT SAYS. THIS IS A LONG THAT'S WHY I'M THAT'S WHY I'M SO TORN.

IT WAS PART OF THE WHOLE PURCHASE PLAN OF ALL OPINION CREEK. WHAT IS IT? WHAT DOES IT COST US A YEAR TO MANAGE IT? IT'S WE'VE GONE BACK. WE'VE TAKEN THAT PATH AS WELL. AND THERE'S NO SPECIFIC YEAR THAT WE PUT A BUDGET FOR HANEY CREEK. IF YOU HAD TO GUESS I MEAN, SAM AMERSON DID IT BACK THEN, AND IT WAS $85,000 A YEAR WAS BEING SPENT ON HONEY CREEK. WE'RE DOING THAT NOW. WELL IF YOU BREAK DOWN TO HOW MUCH WE SPENT ON THE BOARDWALK, THE WALKWAYS, THE FILTRATION SYSTEMS, THE BAFFLE BOXES SO ONE YEAR WE MIGHT HAVE SPENT $600,000. THE NEXT YEAR. WE DIDN'T SPEND $85,000. BUT OVER THE COURSE OF SIX YEARS, YOU KNOW IT'S A QUESTION OF THE BALANCE OF THAT RIGHT REGULARLY. WE JUST HAD SAVANNAH'S WAS ONE OF THESE SPENT $40,000. UH REMOVING, UH, NATE INVASIVES. WE'VE GOTTEN SOME GRANTS FOR A BASIS FOR SEVERAL 100,000. MORE OF A MY BIGGER CONCERN IS I'M TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I MEAN, I FOR THE SAKE OF CONVERSATION. I'M HAPPY. WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT NO ONE REALLY IS GOING TO SUPPORT WHATEVER PROGRAM THEY COME BACK WITH TO TRY AND DESIGN AND BUILD. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DO RESEARCH OR ASK THE NEW CITY ATTORNEY TO LOOK IT UP . UM TO DETERMINE UH, WHETHER, WHAT I MEAN, THE COMMISSION HAS A MANDATE TO FOLLOW A REFERENDUM AND I'M HEARING YOU SAY NO. SO IT'S KIND OF A SITUATION MYSELF FOR DELL TACO TO POPEYE'S. IT SEEMS UNSAFE. SO HERE'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, MIKE AND DAY FOR YOU KNOW HERE. I'M GONNA GIVE YOU SOME INSTRUCTION FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS TO START UNTIL MIKE. WHAT CAN YOU ASK MIKE IN THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I'LL ASK PAUL TO DO SOME RESEARCH. ON WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO IF WE WANT IT TO REVERSE THIS ACTION. WE CAN. WE CAN TABLE THIS FOR

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NOW AND THEN COME BACK AND SO WE'RE NOT DECIDING TODAY. UM WE CAN BE. WE CAN COME BACK AND DECIDE WITH A BETTER EDUCATION BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS LOVE TO KEEP THAT PROPERTY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME MY CONCERN IS THAT WE DID. HAVE A REFERENDUM, AND SO THEREFORE THE VOTERS ACTUALLY CAME OUT IN A HIGH THERE'S GOING TO BE I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE A PATH THE PATH IS GOING TO BE HAVING ELECTION AND HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION. SO IS THE WILL OF THIS BOARD. I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S WHAT'S WHAT'S FIND OUT. LET'S DO THE COST OF AN ELECTION AND WE CAN WE CAN MAKE A EDUCATED DECISION. WE ALSO HAVE TO EXPLORE IT WITH THE COUNTY COUNTY WILL NOT STEP IN FRONT OF IT BECAUSE WE WILL BE OBLIGATED TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF PAINTING CREEK, RIGHT WON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING. NOT THAT THIS IS PERTAINING TO ACRES BURNING A PIECE OF THE PUZZLE AND THAT ENTIRE CREEK PRESERVE OUT THERE IS THAT WE DID ALL THIS WITH THE COUNTY. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO PUT IT IN THE CONSERVATION. WE PUT OURS IN CONSERVATION. I THINK LAST YEAR COUNTY STORES NOT PUT THEIR CONSERVATION SO THEY'RE GONNA BE REQUIRED REPORT THAT TO THE STATE UNDER CENTER BUILDING OR TWO I DON'T KNOW, AND WE ASKED HIM TO LAST YEAR. DO YOU THINK THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE AN ACCOUNTING IN OCTOBER FOR OUR LAND? CORRECT ASSUMING THE GOVERNOR DOESN'T VETO THE LAW, BUT YES. SO YEAH. WOULD THAT PUT US AT RISK? IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING FIGURED OUT BY OCTOBER. BE ON THE LIST. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT LIST, HYPOTHETICAL LIKE IT WOULD BE ON IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. I ONLY ASK BECAUSE THAT WOULD PUSH FOR HAVING A SPECIAL ELECTION VERSUS KICKING THE CAN , DEPENDING ON I DON'T THINK YOU CAN JUST KICK THE CAN. I THINK YOU'RE HAVING A SPECIAL ELECTION. IF YOU CHOOSE TO UNDO IT, YOU NEED TO UNDO IT. YEAH THANK YOU, MR RICH. HE WAS TEXTING. WELL, SOME WOULD. ONCE THAT LIST IS OUT THERE. SOMEONE COULD RIGHT. I MEAN, SOMEBODY COULD COME IN THERE AND MAX IT OUT, BUT BUT I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE SO WHAT? THE WHAT THE LIST SAYS IS THAT THE MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES WITHIN THE STATE MUST PROVIDE A LIST OF THEIR VACANT PROPERTIES TO THE STATE SO THAT CONTRACTORS CAN NEGOTIATE WITH. AND ENTER INTO CONTRACTS WITH US TO DEVELOP IT. SO INSTEAD OF IT BEING THE COMMERCIAL USE, YOU COULD HAVE A CONTRACTOR WANTING TO SIGN THE LAND LEASE WITH THE CITY. FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USE IS YOUR SENSE THAT WE CAN STILL SAY? NO, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH I MEAN, I IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS THIS IF THEY CAME IN AND SAID, WE'LL PAY YOU THE RENT. OF WHATEVER IT IS. THEY MADE IT 100. UM SO IF THEY PAID FAIR MARKET RENT WOULD BE HARD TO SAY NO, BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS. BUT IF THEY MADE 100% OF THOSE UNITS THE AFFORDABLE OR WHATEVER THAT DEFINITION WAS, THEY WOULDN'T PAY ANY ADVIL. LAURA BENEFIT TO THE CITY IF THERE IS ONE. ON A COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY OR ENDEAVOR WOULD BE THAT THE RENT AND IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, 100 PLUS A YEAR WOULD GO DIRECTLY TO A FUND TO BE PAID INTO ANY CREEP. ADVIL ORUM TAXES GENERATED FROM THAT WOULD STILL GO TO THE GENERAL FUND, UNDERSTAND IF IT'S COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S MR CLARK.

YEAH PROBABLY BEING REDUNDANT, BUT JUST TO CONFIRM UM, WE HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO THE HOUSING SOLUTIONS COUNCIL HOW THEIR THING IS EXPIRED. THERE'S NOTHING THERE'S NO OBLIGATION TO ANYBODY RIGHT NOW, OTHER THAN TO RESPOND BACK TO STUART LAND COMPANY AS IT RELATES TO THE DUE DILIGENCE OR GOING FORWARD. OKAY. WHEN DOES THE. WELL, IF ASSUMING IT'S SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR GOING AFFECTED THE TOY FIRST I? IT SAYS THAT BUT I DON'T KNOW IT COULD BE OCTOBER 1ST. IT COULD BE IMMEDIATE. IT COULD BE WHATEVER I FIRST. SO EVEN WE SCHEDULED A REFERENDUM FOR NOVEMBER. SPECIAL ELECTION AND, UM. BETWEEN YOU KNOW SOMEBODY CAN COME IN AND MAKE A CLAIM ON IT. NO OCTOBER IS WHEN WE GIVE THE ACCOUNTING. YEAH, BUT THEY COULD COME IN AND MAKE A CLAIM BEFORE THE BEFORE THE ACCOUNTING. THAT'S IF THEY KNEW ABOUT IT, BUT BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT A CLAIM IS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS. THAT'S THE THING WE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS ABOUT THIS LAW THAT ARE SO ROD AND VAGUE THAT WE DON'T KNOW. SO FOR NOW, MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL WE GET SOME MORE INFO. FROM UH, OKAY, SO THE TABLE IS FOR MORE UNTIL YOU HAVE RECEIVED MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THE UNDOING OF THE REFERENDUM IS MY UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT? WE CAN PUT IT OUT FOR LIKE, UH, TWO MEETINGS FROM NOW AND, UH, YOU CAN COME BACK WITH, AS IN TURN.

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MANAGER AND MR NICOLETTI WILL BE GLAD TO PROVIDE YOU THAT MEMORANDUM AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. WE ALSO HAVE THE INFORMATION IS HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO KEEP UP. 84.7 ACRE PRESERVED. WHAT'S THE APPROXIMATE ANNUAL COST OF THAT WE WILL CONSULT WITH MR KUCINICH ABOUT THAT AS WELL. UM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU GUYS AS DAVID JUST MENTIONED TO ME. I THINK WE'VE JUST DEDICATED THE 1ST 10 HOURS OF THAT CONTRACT. YEAH. YEAH. LAST SECOND, HIS MOTION. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE OF EFFORT TO MEETINGS. GOOD. OKAY WE HAVE A SECOND ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION? COME ON UP, MR NICK. MHM NICK BLIND, UH , CITY OF STEWART LIVE IN CITY OF STEWART AND REPRESENT HOUSING SOLUTIONS COUNCIL. THIS PROJECT IS THAT PROPERTY CERTAINLY HAS BEEN UNDER OUR WATCH FOR A LONG TIME, AND WE DID. TAKE UP TO A YEAR TO TRY TO NEGOTIATE SOMETHING AND AS IT IS EXPRESSED IN A LETTER I SENT TO THE CITY AT THAT TIME WHEN THEY AGREEMENT EXPIRED. THE NEGOTIATION PERIOD EXPIRED. WE DID MENTION THAT WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE PROPERTY BECAME AVAILABLE AGAIN, AND I WANT TO TALK TO A BIGGER ISSUE, AND THAT'S THE SENATE BILL ONE OF TWO BECAUSE I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE NOW TO MENTION SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT AND I'M AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS YOU DON'T EITHER AND HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE CITY DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT US AS AN ORGANIZATION. BUT ONCE I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THAT LOCAL RESIDENTS AND LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS WORKING WITH THE GOVERNMENT, I THINK IS THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS HOUSING ISSUE. AND UH, THEIR ALTERNATIVES. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE MENTIONED TO ME SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE GOOD IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING. AND IN CONJUNCTION THAT IS THE STEWART OR THE MARTIN COUNTY WAY RATHER THAN THE STATE WAY, AND I AGREE WITH THAT, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE WILL SEE OR VERY AGGRESSIVE. THEY'RE ONE SIZE FITS ALL AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT. THEY VERY RARELY WORK. IT'S VERY RARELY A WIN WIN SITUATION WHEN THAT HAPPENS, SO WHERE IS CONCERNED ABOUT SENATE BILL? UH 102 AS YOU ARE, I DID MENTION THOUGH, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN THAT I MENTIONED THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING LAST WEEK THAT I THINK LOCAL YOU MENTIONED. MAYOR ABOUT THIS WAS SET UP, PROBABLY FOR SMALLER COMMUNITIES. I THINK BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE SMALLER COMMUNITIES HAD NOT TAKEN HAD BEST PROACTIVE AS THEY PROBABLY COULD HAVE BEEN, AND I THINK IF THAT HAD HAPPENED, WE WOULDN'T BE EVEN TALKING ABOUT SENATE BILL, ONE OF ONE OF TWO SO, UM, SO WE DO HAVE THE CONCERN ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THAT PARTICULAR BILL, BUT WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN MOVE AHEAD WITH OUR UM, WITH RELATIONS WITH THE WITH THE CITY AS WE TRY TO ADDRESS THIS THE GIST OF THAT BILL, WHICH IS TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR OUR LOCAL WORKERS, AND THAT'S GONNA BE IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO BE WHAT WE FOCUS ON. WE HAVE MENTIONED MANY TIMES THAT OUR OWN ORGANIZATION, UH, HE VALUES SEE IN THE BILL. THEY TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE BEING 120% OF THE AM . I MEAN, YOU DO THE MATH FOR THIS AREA IS 84,505 100 MULTIPLIED THAT BY 120. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT YOU'RE OVER $100,000. SO WE ARE NOT WORKING ON THAT. WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE THAT MAKE BETWEEN YOU KNOW 40 60 70,000 LOCAL WORKERS, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON. FELT. THANKS. THANKS, DICK. OKAY, SO WE, ASHLEY COME UP IF YOU FILL OUT A GREEN CARD WHEN YOU'RE DONE WHEN YOU FILL OUT A GREEN CURTIS. WELL, WE'LL GO FOR A DIFFERENT ONE. THIS IS DOUGLAS ASHLEY. I'VE KNOWN SEVERAL OF YOU. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TONIGHT . I'M GOING TO WAIT UNTIL 11.

BUT I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY COMMENT ON THIS. I CAME DOWN. WE ALL HAVE OUR STORIES. WHEN I WAS LITTLE I GOT ON THE HUTCHISON ISLAND. I SAID DAD, WHAT'S GOING ON? THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC BEACHES. NOBODY'S HERE. YOU KNOW WHAT'S THIS? THEY ALL CAME NOW. IN FACT, I TOOK OVER AN HOUR TO GO ACROSS THE CAUSEWAY ONE WEEKEND AND MADE A STUPID MISTAKE. I WENT ON A SATURDAY. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO CRITICIZE, BUT THOSE SAME THOUGHTS APPLY TO THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. I LIVE IN RIAU. MY ADDRESS IS 1600 NORTHEAST DIXIE HIGHWAY. JENSEN BEACH. I SEE WHAT'S GOING ON ON THAT NORTH SIDE OF THE RIVER AND I'M I'LL TALK ABOUT IT AND NUMBER 11. BUT PLEASE, PLEASE

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GET FORESIGHT. DON'T LOOK AT DOLLARS AND CENTS RIGHT NOW. JUST LOOK AT IT THE LONG TERM WHAT THE VALUE IS GOING TO BE. NOT TODAY. BUT 10 YEARS 20 YEARS FROM NOW, THANK YOU. AND SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF I COULD JUST READ TO THE BOARD UM WHAT THE SECTION IS THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO SECTION SEVEN. WOULD AMEND FLORIDA STATUTE 166.451. TO READ DISPOSITION OF MUNICIPAL PROPERTY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BY OCTOBER 1ST 2023 EVERY THREE YEARS THEREAFTER, EACH MUNICIPALITY SHALL PREPARE AN INVENTORY LIST OF ALL REAL PROPERTY WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION TO WHICH THE MRS MUNICIPALITY OR ANY DEPENDENT SPECIAL DISTRICT WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES, HOLDS FEE SIMPLE TITLE, WHICH IS APPROPRIATE FOR USE AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE INVENTORY LIST MUST INCLUDE THE ADDRESS AND LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF EACH SUCH PROPERTY AND SPECIFY WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS VACANT OR IMPROVED. GOVERNING BODY OF THE MUNICIPALITY MUST REVIEW THE INVENTORY LIST AT A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAY REVISE IT AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE MUNICIPALITY SHALL ADOPT A RESOLUTION THAT INCLUDES AN INVENTORY LIST OF SUCH PROPERTY. EACH MUNICIPALITY SHALL MAKE THE INVENTORY LIST PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ON ITS WEBSITE TO ENCOURAGE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AS APPROPRIATE FOR USE AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE INVENTORY LIST ADOPTED BY THE MUNICIPALITY MAY BE USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THROUGH A LONG TERM LAND LEASE, REQUIRING THE DEVELOPMENT AND MAINTENANCE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING OFFERED FOR SALE AND THE PROCEEDS USED TO PURCHASE LAND FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR TO INCREASE THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT FUND EARMARKED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SOLD WITH A RESTRICTION THAT REQUIRES THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY AS PERMANENT, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

OR DONATED TO A NON PROFIT HOUSING ORGANIZATION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF PERMANENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. ALTERNATIVELY THE MUNICIPALITY MAY OTHERWISE MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR USE FOR THE PRODUCTION AND PRESERVATION OF PERMANENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SUBSECTION THE TERM AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT THE SAME MEETING AS SECTION 4 20.4 MUNICIPALITIES ARE ENCOURAGED TO ADOPT HIS BEST PRACTICES FOR SURPLUS LAND PROGRAMS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ESTABLISHING ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR THE RECEIPT OR PURCHASE OF THE SURPLUS LAND BY DEVELOPERS. MAKING THE PROCESS FOR REQUESTING THE SURPLUS LANDS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE AND ENSURING LONG TERM AFFORDABILITY THROUGH GROUND LEASES BY RETAINING THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL TO PURCHASE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE SOLD OR OFFERED AT MARKET RATE AND VERY REQUIRING REVERSION OF PROPERTY NOT USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME. UM. WHAT I DIDN'T HEAR WAS THAT, UH, IT WAS ONLY LAND THAT WAS HEALTH CERTAIN LAND. YOU SAID IT SOUNDS LIKE POTENTIALLY VACANT BACON, THE LAND USE AND USES ALL OF OUR CONSERVATION LAND. CAN IT NOT BE , BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT IS DEDICATED AND RESTRICTED. IT'S NOT CONSIDERED VACANT WHEN WE DID WHEN WE DID VACANT PARCELS IN THE CITY. WE DIDN'T CONSERVATION IS NOT CONSIDERED PROPERTY OTHER. THE OTHER THING IS PROCESS. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE BILL OR THE STATUTE THAT PREVENTS US FROM TAKING DEFENSIVE LAND USE CHANGES. NOW WE'RE TALKING. I HAVEN'T READ IT AND I, YOU KNOW, I IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE AGENDA ITEM AND WE WILL HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT PROBABLY FURTHER TOMORROW BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE. WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THIS. PATH. THAT WE SHOULD KNOW THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THE POINT OF GOING DOWN, SPENDING ALL THE MONEY JUST TO FIND OUT THAT WE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, AND I'M NOT, I'M TORN ABOUT WHICH I COULD GO EITHER WAY. AT THIS POINT, THE LAND USE THAT THE CITY HAD OF SPECIAL NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT.

THE BENEFIT TO THAT WAS THAT IT DID NOT PROVIDE OR DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY DEVELOPMENT BY RIGHT TO THE OWNER. IT IS RESTRICTED TO A PUBLIC HEARING. IT DID PROVIDE THE ABILITY TO DO COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL AND A COMBINATION THEREOF. BUT UM. COMMERCIAL ON THE OTHER HAND, WAS ADOPTED BY THE STATE TO IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, ITS MAXIMUM HEIGHT, MAXIMUM DENSITY ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. SO IF YOU DESIGNATE LIKE THAT GLASS ROUTE PROPERTY THAT'S OVER BY WALMART. THAT'S VACANT. BASICALLY THAT'S NOW DESIGNATED TRULY A PARK LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE CANTARELL C IS STILL A FIVE ACRE PARCEL RIGHT? THAT HASN'T BEEN GIVEN A LAND USE YET. IF YOU GIVE IT A LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL THEY COULD COME IN AND BUILD. 150 APARTMENTS AT ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL THE LAND USE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO STILL DO THE CRITERIA AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S THE SURROUNDING LAND USES? IF YOU GIVE IT A LAND USE OF NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIAL DISTRICT

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LIKE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, THEY COULDN'T BUILD ANYTHING WITHOUT A PUBLIC HEARING, AND IT WOULD CIRCUMVENT THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO DO THE, UM AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THE FORM BASED CODE CHANGE. ALMOST ACROSS THIS THIS CITY WE HAVE TO. I THINK WE HAVE TO TALK TO BE VERY CAREFUL AND STRATEGIC ABOUT ANYTHING WE DO. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND VARIED. YOU CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER COLLINS. UM THE TABLE. YES YEAH. MAYOR MCDONALD YES. BRUNER YES, COMMISSIONER. RICH YES, CLARK? YES. CAN I SAY SOMETHING BEFORE YOU GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, MR. MAYOR YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT STRATEGIC AND NONE OF US MENTIONED IN OUR COMMENTS EARLIER ON THAT BASICALLY ALL DAY TOMORROW, MR CHARLES SKIN, UM, MR BERGER AND OTHER STAFF MEMBERS HAVE PUT TOGETHER A STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION FOR US AT THE FLAGLER CENTER.

STARTING AT NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. I JUST WE DIDN'T MENTION THAT IN OUR COMMENTS.

[9. FS PROPRTIES LLC., ZONING MAP AMENDMENT (RC): ORDINANCE No. 2513-2023; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY’S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP; TO REFLECT THE REZONING OF A 0.68 ACRE PARCEL; LOCATED AT 2970 SE DOMINICA TERRACE; BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT “A” ATTACHED; FROM COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT “CPUD” TO BUSINESS – GENERAL (B-2) ZONING DISTRICT; PROVIDING DIRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

OKAY LET'S GO TO ITEM. NINE FS PROPERTIES LLC ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, MIKE, WOULD YOU READ THE TITLE? YES HOPE. SORRY. I JUST LOST IT. UM, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2513-20 TO 3 IN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY'S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REFLECT THE REZONING OF A 30.68 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED AT 2902970, SOUTHEAST DOMINICAN TERRORISTS BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A ATTACHED FROM COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. CPU D TWO BUSINESS GENERAL OR BE TO ZONING DISTRICT, PROVIDING DIRECTIONS TO CITY CLERK PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES. CONFLICT PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. JODI HAS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES SINCE LAST MEETING. COMMISSIONER MAYOR. NO CHANGES, NO CHANGES. OKAY. I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL. SECOND. OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR BRUNER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.

ANY DISCUSSION ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. AH, SAYING NONE MARRIED . YOU CALL THE ROLL FACE. MARY BRUNER. YES COMMISSIONER COLLINS? YES, COMMISSIONER RICH. YES CLARK? YES, MAYOR MCDONALD'S

[10. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT AMENDMENT - ZONING IN PROGRESS (RC): ORDINANCE No. 2514-2023; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AS DEFINED IN F.S.§163.3187; AMENDING THE TEXT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE ELECMENT 1, USE OBJECTIVE 1.A7. FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES, POLICY 1.A7.2. GROSS DENSITIES AND TABLE OF LAND USE DENSITIES AND INTENSITIES, OJECTIVE 1.C1. URBAN CODE OVERLAY ZONE; AND OBJECTIVE 3.A7. DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES; AMENDING THE TEXT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT 1; PROVIDING DIRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE,AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

. OKAY GOING ONTO ORDINANCE FIRST READING COMPREHENSIVE TAX PLAN AMENDMENT ZONING IN PROGRESS, MIKE, WOULD YOU READ THE TITLE? ITS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2514-20 TO 3 IN THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF THE CITY OF COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STEWART COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IS TO FIND IN FLORIDA STATUTE SECTION 163.3187 AMENDING THE TEXT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT ONE USE OBJECTIVE 1.87. FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES . POLICY ONE POINT A 7.2 GROSS DENSITIES AND TABLE OF LAND USE DENSITIES AND INTENSITIES.

OBJECTIVE ONE POINT C. ONE. URBAN CODE DEVELOPED OVERLAY ZONE AND OBJECTIVE THREE POINT A SEVEN DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES. AMENDING THE TEXT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT ONE PROVIDING DIRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. OKAY JODIE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHARITY. KUGLER. I'M WITH THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. AND TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING ITEM 11 10. THIS IS THE FIRST RATING OF 25 14 2023. JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON OCTOBER 10TH 2022 , THE CITY OF STUART CITY COMMISSIONERS. ADOPTED A RESOLUTION DECLARING A ZONING IN PROGRESS. WHICH DECLARED NO PLANS, NO PERMITS, NO LICENSES OR ANY ZONING. UH PROGRESS DIRECTED TO STAFF TO PREPARE AN ORDER DIRECTED STAFF TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT A TEXT AMENDMENT. UM WE HAD A COUPLE OF WORKSHOPS. ONE WAS IN OCTOBER.

APOLOGIZE ONE WAS IN NOVEMBER, AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS IN JANUARY. WE DID EXTEND THE ZONING IN PROGRESS, TOO. BRING SOME OF THE CHANGES. DURING THE JANUARY WORKSHOP MEETING STAFF WAS PROVIDED DIRECTION JUST TO CHANGE THE SIZE WITHIN THE HALF UNITS TO LOWER THEM FROM A SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM 1100. AND ALSO FROM IN THE 700 SQUARE FOOT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE POLICY WITHIN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. WE LOOKED AT THIS AND DETERMINED THAT THE POLICY SHOULD JUST ADDRESS A GENERAL. NARRATIVE AND WE DID TAKE OUT THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE LESSON. 900 SQUARE FEET 9000.75 PER DENSITY. WE FEEL THAT WAS BETTER

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PLACE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THIS WAS BROUGHT TO YOUR LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY, MARCH 17 2023, THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY , RECOMMENDED THE CITY COMMISSION THAT THEY ELIMINATE ALL FRACTIONAL HOUSING UNITS AND A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THAT MOTION FAILED 2 TO 3. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 25 14 2023 1ST READING. TWO. CHANGE THE POLICY JUST TO ADDRESS A ADDRESS THE HAPPINESS SIZE. OKAY? DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS? MOTIONS MR COLLINS, SO IF YOU WATCH THAT I'LL BE MEETING. IT WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY HEATED. IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO WATCH AND IN WHITE OF SENATE BILL ONE. OH, TWO IN THE HOUSE BILL PASSING YOU KNOW WHEN WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT HALF UNITS, WE WERE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. TRYING TO MAKE IT HARDER. UM TO QUALIFY FOR THIS. THEY HAD TO BE SMALLER UNITS. BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THIS CAN BE CONFUSING, FRACTIONAL UNITS, RIGHT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT ONE MILE RADIUS THAT YOU CAN SORT OF GRABBED FROM ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN APPROVED AND ABSORB ITS DENSITY ITS HEIGHT. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT SORT OF GOING BACK TO WHAT I SAID IN THE ZIP. INITIALLY WE NEED TO PULL THESE HALF UNITS OUT OF OUR COMPLAINT. THIS STUFF NEEDS TO BE STRUCK OUT OF OUR COMPLAINT BECAUSE GOING FORWARD. I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A TOOL THAT CAN HELP WITH INCREASED DENSITY. BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BE STRATEGIC AND SNIPER WITH THIS LIKE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT IF THE IF WHAT WE APPROVE, IS WITHIN A MILE OF WHAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO CONVERT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ABSORB THE HEIGHT AND THE DENSITY. PRESUMABLY INCLUDING THE HALF UNITS, SO I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS BE NOT LEFT ALONE BECAUSE IN ITS CURRENT STATE YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S WORSE THAN 911 100 SQUARE FOOT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THE TWO UM IN THAT L P. A MEETING THE TWO THAT VOTED BASICALLY TO REMOVE IT ENTIRELY.

THE HALF UNIT FROM THE COMPLAINT AND LAND USES THE DIRECTION I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. I WISH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL SEVEN. THE BOARD MEMBERS THERE, BUT THERE WAS ONLY FIVE. I'M NOT GONNA MOTION. I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE IT. FRANK DISCUSSION, COMMOTION OR IF YOU PUSH ME FOR EMOTION, IT'S GONNA I WANT A MOTION TO STRIKE THAT OUT. NO I DON'T WANT TO TIE OUR HANDS IN ANY WAY AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS CHANGED. UH UM. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO WORK LOCALLY WITH SOME DEVELOPER WHO WANTS TO COME IN AND PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I MEAN THE PURPOSE OF THE DENSITY BONUSES COMES FROM THE CAN FIRM BUT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT SAYS IN ORDER TO EXPAND THE NUMBER AND TYPES OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR FOR AFFORDABLE OR ATTAINABLE HOUSING. THE CITY WILL ENCOURAGE NEW CONSTRUCTION THROUGH DENSITY BONUSES. EITHER WE TAKE ON THIS RESPONSIBILITY AND WE START WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS AND CREATE. AND WE AND WE CREATE THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT THE CITY CAN LIVE WITH, AND WE'RE HAPPY. OR I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO SWOOP IN AND DO IT. I'M NOT SAYING I MEAN, I HAVE NEVER BEEN THAT HAPPY WITH THE ELIZABETH. AH! BUT I THINK IF WE COMMIT TO ATTAINABLE HOUSING AND THE USE OF THESE DENSITY BONUSES , I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO, UH LESS THAN OUR ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS IN THIS AREA. WE'RE TAKING SOME ONE THING AND I THINK COMMISSIONER RICH WILL BACK ME UP ON THIS IS UP IN TALLAHASSEE. IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT IF WE DON'T WANT ADDITIONAL PREEMPTIONS. THAT WE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T MAKE IT 100 UNITS AN ACRE. LET'S JUST BLOW IT ALL OUT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT WHY NOT? I'M JUST BUT I'M SAYING THAT IS WE NEED TO TAKE CONTROL AND. YOU KNOW, AND I SAID THIS AT THE I SAID THIS AT THE ZONING IN PROGRESS MEETING THING IS THAT THE STATE HAS BEEN PUSHING AND PUSHING AND PUSHING, AND EVERY TIME THE SMALL COMMUNITIES PUSH BACK AND YOU KNOW, WE PUSHED BACK A LOT, AND PEOPLE COMPLAIN THAT WE'VE APPROVED TOO MUCH, BUT THEY DON'T SEE IS WHAT

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DOESN'T GET APPROVED. HOW THE HOW WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO RESTRICT THE DENSITY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE PURSUANT IN LIGHT OF THE STATE STATUTES, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT WAS YOU KNOW IF IT COULD GET IT COULD GET WORSE. AND SO I'M JUST THAT'S JUST WHAT ARE THE TWO PROJECTS THAT THIS THIS FRACTIONAL UNIT APPROACH HAS BEEN USED ON? THERE'S TWO RIGHT? I THINK SO. ELIZABETH AND WHAT ELSE? WHAT'S SELFISH, SELFISH COVE? WHAT'S THE AVERAGE PRICE OF A UNIT IN SAILFISH ARE ALSO THE UNIT SIZES WERE WRONG. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. BUT THIS IDEA THAT THIS THIS IS GOING TO PAVE THE WAY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I THINK IS DISINGENUOUS . IT'S NOT. IT SOUNDS GOOD ON PAPER, BUT YOU CANNOT FORCE UNITS TO BE AFFORDABLE IN FLORIDA. THERE'S SO MUCH DEMAND RIGHT NOW. IF YOU INCREASE THE DENSITY. AND BACKDOOR YOUR WAY TO 60 UNITS PER ACRE. BY DOING THIS, YOU'RE JUST INCREASING THE DENSITY. IT IS NOT CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE HAVE TO BE HONEST ABOUT THAT. IT. PROJECTS ARE GOING TO DO WHAT SAILFISH COVE DID AND HAVE MORE UNITS PER ACRE IN THE 30 TO 60 RANGE, AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE AND THERE'S NOTHING ANYBODY UP HERE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE OR THAT WORKFORCE LIVES IN THEM. YOU CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT PEOPLE FROM PORTS ST LUCIE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO THEM, UM, TO HAVE A SHORTER COMMUTE, AND IT'S WE'RE NOT BEING HONEST AND WHEN THE STATE IS PUSHING THIS ON US THEY KNOW IT'S NOT HONEST EITHER, BECAUSE 120% OF AM I IS 2500 BUCKS A MONTH. THAT'S NOT AFFORDABLE TO ANYBODY AND THEY KNOW IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT'S ABOUT THE BALLOON ENDING ON THE GROWTH IN THE ECONOMY AND MAKING SURE THAT BALLOON EXTENDS AND BLOWING OUT THE WAY FOR DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THESE LITTLE BEACH TOWNS AND THE LAST THING WE SHOULD DO IS HAVE THIS HAPPY UNIT STUFF IN OUR COMPLAINT AND LAND USE ANYMORE AND NOT MAKE IT ANY EASIER FOR ANY MORE OF THESE TO BE APPROVED THAT A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S WITHIN A MILE CAN ANCHOR TO AND SAY, WELL, THEY HAVE THAT APPROVED. WE SHOULD, TOO. WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO PROTECT NOT MAKE IT HARDER ON OURSELVES AND AT THE SAME TIME, SAY, IF WE DON'T DO IT, THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE US DO IT. THEN LET THEM MAKE US DO IT AND LET THEM PAY FOR THE POLICE AND THE FIRE AND THE SCHOOLS AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF. LET THEM MAKE LET THEM FORCE OUR HAND. NOT US, JUST ROLLING OVER. AND BEING FECKLESS AND NOT FIGHTING. WE SHOULD GET THIS OUT OF OUR COMPLAINT AND LAND USE. YOU KNOW WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE. UM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE PARKING MICROPHONE. YOU'RE RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE MORE PARKING LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW IF IT'S THE.

WHEN I SEE AROUND THE PARKING LOT IN THE HALF UNITS INSTEAD OF GIVING ANY PARKING CREDITS AT ALL. I THINK WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS MAKING IT FULL REQUIRED. PARKING STILL DOES COME WITH MORE LENIENT PARKING FRACTIONALLY IS STILL MORE LENIENT THAN THE NORMAL PUDU ZONING AND BY RIGHT ZONING. THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE RELAXED , MR MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ON THIS BECAUSE I DO, BUT I THOUGHT I RECALLED IN OUR WORKSHOPS ABOUT ESTABLISHING A MAXIMUM YEAH, I THOUGHT AND I DON'T WANT TO ASK ABOUT THAT. THAT LIKE A PERCENTAGE THAT COULD BE FRACTIONAL. NO, LIKE, YEAH, WELL, BASICALLY PERCENTAGE OR JUST SAYING 45 IS THE MAXIMUM. YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE 45 OR WHATEVER, BUT I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I HEARD IN THE WORKSHOPS. BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE IT IN THIS. AND THE OTHER THING I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IS AND I KNOW LIKE I'M SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF NOT DOING HALF 10 CITIES. WHAT I'M SAYING THIS YEAH, HE RIGHT ON THE WITH THE NEW LAW WITH THE 102. IT'S NOT ONE MILE FOR DENSITY. IT'S THE WHOLE CITY. JEEZ, ONE MILES ONLY HEIGHT. BUT IT'S OUR DENSITY IS 30 UNITS AN ACRE? BUT WITH THIS DENSITY THIS THE ONLY WAY TO GET A HALF UNIT IS A UPU D SO YOU CAN'T GET YOU HAVE UNITS. OUTSIDE OF A PUBLIC HEARING. NO MATTER WHAT, YOU DON'T GET IT BY, RIGHT, YOU COULD STILL ONLY GET A RIGHT 30 UNITS AN ACRE BECAUSE TWO MATH YOURSELF AT THE HALF UNIT CREDIT. THE YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE UPU COMPLAINT AND LAND USE ALREADY. WHY CAN'T THEY LEVERAGE THAT OCCUR IN OUR COMPLAINT? BUT THEY CAN COUNT 30 UNITS. BY THE WAY, THEY'RE GETTING 30 NO MATTER WHAT, RIGHT, DO THIS OR NOT, BUT THEY POINT OF ORDER. MR MAYOR, COULD YOU ASK COMMISSIONER COLLINS TO BE RECOGNIZED AND TO NOT DOMINATE THE CONVERSATION? WHAT WE COUNT AS A HALF UNIT WILL BE IN OUR LAND USE AND CALM PLAN TO BE LEVERAGED AGAINST US. WHY COULD THEY NOT SO COUNT THAT SAME MATH LOOKED AT THAT AND THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN? IS THAT WE DON'T. GIVE YOU FOR PERSON. ANY ADDITIONAL? UNITS SO IF A DEVELOPER WALKS IN THE FRONT

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DOOR, HE CAN BUILD 30 UNITS. AN ACRE BUILDS 30 UNITS AN ACRE AT 300 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT. YES HE IS NOT ENTITLED TO COUNT THEM AS HALF UNITS. THE ONLY WAY TO COUNT THEM AS HALF UNITS IS IF HE PRESENTED IN A U P U D TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND HAS A SPECIAL APPROVAL. TO MEASURE THE SIZE OF THOSE IN A PARTICULAR LOCATION TO RECEIVE THOSE CREDITS AND MEETING THESE CRITERIA THAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW, AND IT'S AS THE CITY MANAGER POINTED OUT, AND MAYBE YOU CAN ONLY DO 75% OF THE UNITS IN YOUR PROJECT OR WHATEVER YOU GUYS AGREE ON. BUT IT WILL AT THE END OF THE DAY. EVEN IF YOU GET HALF UNIT CREDITS, YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO GO UP TO 30 UNITS PER ACRE. AND THAT 30 UNITS PER ACRE IS WHAT IS ADOPTED BY THE SENATE BILL.

ONE. OH, TWO IN HOUSE BILL 6 37. SO THE 30 UNITS PER ACRE, UNFORTUNATELY AND THE FOUR STORIES POTENTIALLY 107 FT ARE ALREADY VESTED. IF THIS LAW GOES THROUGH HALF UNITS DON'T. UM ARE NOT AN AUTOMATIC. THERE IS NOTHING IN OUR CODE THAT THAT GIVES TOO MANY ANYBODY OTHER THAN THE U P U D, BUT EVEN IF YOU DO THE U P U D YOU. YOU'RE CALM PLANNING. YOUR LBR DOESN'T GO ABOVE 30 UNITS AN ACRE. YOU JUST CHANGE THE WAY YOU DO YOUR MATH RIGHT STILL END UP AT 30 UNITS AN ACRE. BUT IF IT'S ALREADY IN OUR COMPLAINT AND LAND USE, DON'T THEY HAVE A SOMEBODY CAME IN FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPLICATION TO GO STRAIGHT CODE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT CAN'T GO ABOVE 30 UNITS PER ACRE. SO EVEN IF THEY CAME IN AT 400 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT, WHICH WOULD QUALIFY UNDER THIS THING. IT DOESN'T QUALIFY UNDER THIS THING UNDER OUR CODE BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT NEEDED TO BE A UPU D THAT'S VOTED ON BY THE CITY COMMISSION TO MAKE IT QUALIFY. AND THERE IS NO EACH ONE WILL BE DIFFERENT. SO QUESTION IF YOU CAN GET 30 UNITS PER ACRE ONLY UNDER A P U. D THAT SAME THING IS TRUE, RIGHT? THAT CONDITIONAL USE OF PD IS WHAT YOU GET YOU TO 30 MINUTES AN ACRE, BUT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE IT BY RIGHT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED SOMEWHERE ELSE. THAT'S THE ANCHOR. WHY WOULD THAT HAPPEN TO BE DIFFERENT? IT ISN'T ANY DIFFERENT. IT'S STILL 30 UNITS. YOU'RE NOT GOING. YOU'RE NOT BY YOUR OWN NATURE YOU BECAUSE I IN FACT I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO SAY I ORIGINALLY WHEN IT CAME UP, SAID THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO DISCLOSE IT. AS 60 UNITS PER ACRE AND ALLOW THE PEOPLE TO YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD IT 400 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT, GO TO 60 UNITS PER ACRE SO THAT IT WAS A MORE DISCLOSING WHAT WAS ACTUALLY HAPPENING. NOW OBVIOUSLY, I WOULDN'T SUGGEST THAT NOW, IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THIS NEW SENATE BILL ONE OH TWO BECAUSE THAT BLOWS IT TO 60. BUT THE TRUTH OF IT WAS, IS THAT NEVER ONCE DID THE CITY COMMISSION EVER GO ABOVE 30 UNITS PER ACRE ON THEIR COM PLAN OR IN THEIR LBR? IT'S JUST HOW THEY DEFINED . THAT TERM AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE IF, IN FACT WE'RE TAKING THIS TO THE EXTREME. UH UM, DEFINITION AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE POTENTIAL FALLOUT COULD BE. THEN THE ELIZABETH IS ALREADY A DEVELOPMENT ORDER IN PLACE RIGHT NOW AND THEREFORE REGARDLESS. OF WHAT YOU DO THAT WOULD ALREADY BE VESTED ANYWAY. WITHIN THE MILE OR IT'S THE WHOLE CITY.

TRUE HEIGHT IS THE ONLY THING RESTRICTED BY THE MILE RESTRICTION. DENSITY IS UH, GEOGRAPHICALLY MUNICIPAL WIDE NOW AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I IF I HAD TO BET, I WOULD BET THAT IT'S 30 UNITS PER ACRES WITH THE DEVELOPERS ENTITLED TO BASED UPON WHAT OUR CODE READS, RIGHT, BUT I WOULD STILL MAKE THE ARGUMENT RIGHT NOW. ABSOLUTELY.

FURTHER INFORMATION THAT ARE CALM PLANT ONLY GIVES YOU A DEVELOPMENT RIGHT OF 15 UNITS PER ACRE, SIGNING A FUTURE LAND USE TO A PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAD TO DO THE MAXIMUM BUILD OUT ANALYSIS. I WOULD INSTRUCT STAFF TO DO A MAXIMUM BUILD OUT FOR COMMERCIAL OF 10 UNITS PER ACRE, AND I WOULD HAVE THE STAFF TO A MAXIMUM BUILD OUT ANALYSIS. OF 15 UNITS PER ACRE. FOR A MULTI FAMILY BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE DEVELOPER CAN GET. BY WALKING IN THE DOOR WITH A PERMIT BY RIGHT PARKING REQUIREMENTS. WELL, AND I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT HOW WE RESTRICTED AND I'M JUST GONNA GET THE 30 AN ACRE NECESSARILY. THAT'S GOING TO BE WHERE THE WHERE THE LITIGATION ENSUES. THE LITIGATION IS GETTING INTO AND DEFINING IT. DEFINE COMMERCIAL.

HOW ARE YOU SO WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS SO IF THEY'RE MORE LAX WITH THE HALF UNITS THAT

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DOES GIVE MORE PERMISSION, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S I THINK THEY'RE 1.25 FOR A HALF UNIT AND A TO YOU KNOW ANY RESIDENTIAL? I WAS JUST READING IN THE URBAN CODE THAT A RESIDENTIAL UNIT IS 1.5 UNITS, AND THAT'S IF IT'S A TWO OR THREE BEDROOM. SO 500 SQUARE FOOT WITH 1.25. UH, PARKING SPACES. YOU KNOW, VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE AND I OWN TWO CONDOS THAT ARE 400 SQUARE FEET THAT WE RUN OUT 425 SQUARE FEET. NONE OF THEM HAVE TWO PEOPLE MORE THAN THE VALIDITY OF, UH IF THE SIZE WARRANTS THE NUMBER OF CARS AND I'M THINKING, HOW WILL IT BE USED AGAINST US? YOU KNOW TO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO ENFORCE AND MORE AND MORE JODI, NOT US, BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN GONNA COME IN FRONT OF US. HOW DO WE HOW DO WE PROTECT I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF THE PAST COMMISSIONER BRUNER WAS FOLLOWING RIGHT. PARKING IS THE SO DO WE, COMMISSIONER RICH? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR COMMISSIONER PARK? AND DO WE HAVE EMOTION JUST WANTED, SO THERE'S SORT OF A RICH. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T SEE I DIDN'T SEE YOU SPEAK UP. ALRIGHT, IT'S I. I'M I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT COMMISSIONER COLLINS IMPLIED THAT WE ARE DISHONEST AND OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE ISSUES AND ESPECIALLY YOU LET ME SPEAK TO BRING ME UP LIKE THAT CHRISTMAS FOR THEM GOING AND ESPECIALLY WITH MY, UM CONCERN AND THAT WE APPLY THIS SPECIFICALLY. TO PROVIDING ATTAINABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND ONLY IN THAT CONTEXT. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. MR BRUNER. YEAH. TO PASS THIS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN IT'S ONE UNIT, IT HAS TO BE 22 CARS. AND, UH, I THINK THREE QUARTER UNITS SHOULD BE 1.5. AND 1.25 FOR THE 500 SQUARE FOOT DOCTORS. THAT'S FINE. SO TALKING FOLLOWING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. NO, I WANT THAT TO BE TOO. SO. I WANTED TO BE TWO PARKING SPACES, NOT 1.5. SO USING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AS THEY EXIST CURRENTLY OUTSIDE OF THE HALF UNIT. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? DO YOU KNOW WHO'S DEAD IN THE SCOPE OF THE ZONING AND PROGRESS? THE FULL SIZE UNIT PARKING PARKING IS IN PLAY, OKAY? THIS MOTION THAT ARTIST SECOND WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD MORE PARKING. I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN GET AROUND THIS. UM CURRENTLY CURRENTLY.

CERTAINLY VICE MAYOR THAT THAT IS IN THE REST OF OUR CODE AS 1.57. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR EVER SO THAT FULL UH, ONE DENSITY UNIT HAS TO PROVIDE 1.5. YOU WANT TO MOVE THAT TO TWO CARS? NO YES. TAKING. NO YEAH, THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S ONLY APPLYING TO THE HALF UNITS KNOW TJ FLYING TO THE FULL UNITS SHE'S TALKING ABOUT. IN THE CALCULATION FOR PARKING WITHIN A UPU D SEEKING HALF UNIT CREDIT, BUILD A 500 SQUARE FOOT UNIT. INSTEAD OF GETTING. REQUIRING ONE PARKING SPACE FOR THAT 500 SQUARE FOOT UNIT. IT'S ACTUALLY GOT A MORE INTENSE PARKING THAN OUR ACTUAL CODE DOES FOR A 2000 SQUARE FOOT, TWO BEDROOM IF SOMEONE CAME IN AN ACCURATE AND WANTED TO BUILD A, UH, A DUPLEX, INACCURATE AND TWO UNITS, YOU KNOW, 2500 SQUARE FEET EACH WHICH RIGHT DOWN, THEY WOULD NEED A TOTAL OF THREE SPACES. STILL ONLY NEED THAT THE REGULAR PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THEN I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY LONG AS THE LONGEST THAT YOU KNOW WHERE TO STAY? UM FROM THEN I'M FINE. SO HALF UNIT WOULD CARRY JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. HOW MANY PARKING SPACES PER UNIT MIKE. DAVE I'M ASKING THEM THEY HAVE UNIT 1.25 PARKING SPACES. THERE ARE THREE QUARTER 30.75. I WOULD LIKE 1.5 INSTEAD OF 1.4. AND WITH THE ONE UNIT IS TWO CARS INSTEAD OF 1.5. OKAY SO MIGRANTS BIG DEAL, BUT THAT'S CURRENTLY WHAT THAT'S CURRENTLY WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. FOR THIS ALREADY. SO WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS IN SECTION ONE IN THE TABLE. TWO POINT OH, SEVEN, RIGHT. IT WOULD BE 1.5 IN THE MIDDLE SQUARE AND TWO POINT OH, IN THE BOTTOM

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RIGHT CORNER. I THOUGHT, SHE SAID, SO. YOU'RE 500 SQUARE FOOT UNIT WOULD CARRY 1.5 EUR 700 SQUARE FOOT UNIT WOULD CARRY TO DO IT. I'M IN. OKAY OKAY. CAN I PROTECT THAT WOULD HELP YOU DEFEND THAT SECONDED FROM BECKY . I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S ACTUALLY MADE A MOTION. SHE MAKING EMOTION, BECKY MOTIONING THAT MAKE THAT MUCH. OKAY I'LL SECOND IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT ARE UNLESS YOU WANT TO SAY THAT AND THAT ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 14 2023 JUST TO TAKE. I KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY TO SOUND CRAZY, MIKE, BUT SORRY, MR MARTEL. WHAT TO TAKE OUT THAT OF AND SECOND OF. OF THE CITY OF STEWART COMMISSION, SO THERE WAS SOME TYPOS IN THE TYPOS IN THE TITLE. OKAY, HAVE A TECHNICAL QUESTION. THIS IS THE, UH, TEXT AMENDMENT IS THE PARKING LOT AND THIS ARE IN THE ZONE IN THE TABLE TWO POINT OH, SEVEN. YEAH THE RIGHT, RIGHT. RIGHT SO THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE YEAH, WE'RE KIND OF COMBINE COVERING EVERYTHING YET, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE STAYING ON TRACK AND WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON. SO WE'RE APPROVING THIS WITH THE AMENDMENT OF THE TEXT WITH THE TITLE SIZING THE CAMP PLAN AMENDMENT ON THE ZONING AMENDMENTS OF THE ZONING AMENDMENT DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT THE COM PANAMINT WOULD FAIL. PERFECT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. SO YOU'RE GOOD.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. WE DO HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS. UM DON'T TELL.

WE HAVE TWO OF THEM. LET'S START WITH LORI JOBE. GOOD AFTERNOON, LAURIE BEEN A LONG DAY. YOU ALWAYS HAVE A BRIGHT SMILE. IT DOESN'T PAY TO BE GRUMPY. THAT'S FOR SURE. BUT FIRST I WANT TO SAY ACTUALLY MADE A MISTAKE. I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE FRACTIONAL AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS ON NUMBER 11, BUT IT'S BOTH OF THEM. OKAY. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT YOU WERE DOING THIS TOGETHER. THE COMPLAINANT ONCE THE ZONING SO NUMBER ONE. I WANT TO SAY YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB. IT'S REALLY FILLED MY HEART TONIGHT. YOU GUYS ALL VOTED TOGETHER AND HE DID IT ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT THAT WORKING IN UNISON AS FAR AS, UM , THE LEGISLATION OUT OF TALLAHASSEE. SHAME ON TALLAHASSEE. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS REALLY FOUGHT THE FIGHT, BUT TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, I SAID THIS BEFORE SEVERAL COMMISSIONS ABOUT CONNECTICUT HAVING A SIMILAR LAW 30 YEARS AGO. IT DIDN'T WORK FOR THEM IN 30 YEARS, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK FOR US. IF TALLAHASSEE THINGS THEY'RE GOING TO FIX THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT POPULATION OR WHATEVER IF THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO FIX THAT PROBLEM BY SQUEEZING SMALL TOWNS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THINKING. SO THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION BECAUSE SMALL TOWNS CAN ONLY PROVIDE SO MUCH THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FIX THE AFFORDABLE PROBLEM AND TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, THIS EVERYONE HAS STATED AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS TOWN WILL BE $2500 A MONTH.

WHO CAN AFFORD THAT? CERTAINLY NOT THE PERSON WE'RE TRYING TO REACH. SO NUMBER ONE. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE PEOPLE WHO WENT TO TALLAHASSEE NUMBER TWO. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER COLLINS, WHO WAS ALWAYS FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT. THANK ALL OF YOU FOR BEING BEHIND HIM ON CERTAIN THINGS. THANK YOU, MR MARTEL FOR EXPLAINING THE FRACTIONAL TO US.

I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED. AND DAVID. I FINALLY GOT YOUR NAME STRAIGHT AND YOU'RE LEAVING. I'M GONNA MISS YOU. THANK YOU. I WILL COME AND SEE YOU. OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME SPEAK. OKAY? ROBYN CARTWRIGHT. WELCOME, ROBIN. EVENING AGAIN. ROBIN CURRY, 73 SOUTHEAST HIBISCUS, JUST 233 THINGS ONE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIAL DISTRICT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT IF YOU DECIDE TO ASSIGN THAT TO ANY LAND USE, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY OF GIVING THE DEVELOPER TO PRO RATE THE HOUSING ACROSS THE ENTIRE FOOTPRINT IF THEY COMBINE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL SO SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE 30 UNITS PER ACRE AS A VARIANCE WOULD ACTUALLY BE CLOSER TO 60. IF THEY WERE TO SPLIT THE LOT HALF AND HALF SO THEORETICALLY, NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIAL DISTRICT GIVES A DEVELOPER CONSIDERABLY MORE RIGHTS THAN WHAT YOU'RE ASSIGNING THEM IN THE PURPOSES OF WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT EITHER THE CONSERVATION LAND THAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT OR ASSIGNING LANDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY VACANT OR IN A PROCESS LIKE THIS.

SECOND OF ALL, AFFORDABLE AND ATTAINABLE HOUSING CANNOT BE MANDATED BY THIS COMMISSION NOR BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION. SO ANY DISCUSSION. I HATE THE WORD DISINGENUOUS, BUT IT REALLY IS, IN THE SENSE THAT CASE IN POINT , BRIDGEVIEW AND CENTRAL PARKWAY LOST BOTH SAID THAT THEY WOULD HAVE AFFORDABLE OR ATTAINABLE HOUSING 10% OF THEIR UNITS WOULD BE AVAILABLE. I CALLED BRIDGEVIEW THERE IS NO APPLICATION. IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THE DEVELOPER TO CREATE THAT TO HAVE AN APPLICATION TO HAVE A VETTING SYSTEM AND TO REPORT BACK TO YOU. IT'S ON THE HONOR SYSTEM. THERE IS NOT ONE THAT EXISTS, AND YOU CAN'T MANDATE IT, EVEN IF YOU MAKE IT PART OF AN ORDINANCE. CREATING SOMETHING THAT IS TRULY AFFORDABLE AND ATTAINABLE.

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HOUSING WILL TAKE POLITICAL WILL IT DOES NOT TAKE SOMEBODY LIKE A NONPROFIT, WHICH I THINK IS AN AMAZING IDEA. YOU HAVE TO ALSO BE WILLING. SO THIS LAND THAT WAS IN HANEY CREEK THAT COULD HAVE PROVIDED A SOLUTION IS A MUCH BETTER USE OF LAND FOR HOUSING THAN IT EVER WOULD BE TO PUT INTO FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS FOR STRICTLY TO SUPPORT SUSTAINING A PARK. AND LASTLY, I DID HAVE A THIRD POINT, BUT I GOT SO FIRED UP ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIAL DISTRICT. I KNOW. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR MARTEL FOR PROVING THAT THE PROVIDING YOU WITH BETTER COUNSEL BY RIGHT. THE DEVELOPER HAS 15 UNITS PER ACRE BY VARIANTS. THEY HAVE 30. IT IS NOT A GUARANTEE. SO ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN APPROVING THIS POINT, ESPECIALLY WITH HALF UNITS. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE TOTALITY YET AGAIN OF WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING IN THE CONTEXT AND THE BIGGER PICTURE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF WHERE THEY WANT TO BUILD THESE THINGS. SO THE ELIZABETH DOWNTOWN IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. THERE'S ALREADY A PARKING VARIANTS FOR THAT.

THERE'S ALREADY DEFICIENT PARKING. BRIDGEVIEW HAS DEFICIENT PARKING CENTRAL PARKWAY LOSS HAS DEFICIENT PARKING. EVERYTHING THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS APPROVED OF LATE HAS DEFICIENT PARKING, SO I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT TO CHANGE THE PARKING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPREHENSIVE AND INCLUSIVE , BUT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE PLANNING AND THE TOTALITY OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED. AND WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. NOT JUST WHAT IS WORST CASE SCENARIO. THANK YOU. CORY WINS. ONE WINE. WHATEVER. I'LL BE REAL BRIEF. UM, SOME OF YOU I'VE TALKED TO IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S USUALLY OVER EMAIL. MY NAME IS COREY WINNER I LIVE IN STUART 6656 WOULD MILLPOND OVER BY MARINER SANDS. I'M, A ECONOMIST FOR PRIVATE EQUITY GROUP. LIVE HERE FOR FOUR YEARS. I CAME FROM BROWARD. I'M SORRY. THIS IS VERY CAME FROM BROWARD LIVED HERE FOR YEARS, BUT I KNOW SOUTH FLORIDA POLITICS. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN SELF REPORTS OVER A DECADE. JUST HUMOR ME. WHEN YOU LOOK, CLARK WAS MAYOR. I WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH HER. I REMEMBER FOR THREE DAYS MORE TELL THE SAME THING. I KNOW A LOT ABOUT SOUTH FLORIDA POLITICAL ECONOMY MORE THAN PROBABLY MOST OF YOU EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE IN ELECTED POSITIONS I HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE MAYOR OF LAKE WORTH, OUTGOING MAYOR VICE MAYOR YOU DYING OF BROWARD COUNTY MUCH BIGGER THAN MARTIN COUNTY. MUCH BIGGER THAN STEWART. JUST HUMOR ME THINK ABOUT THIS. SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE ARE ELECTED TO POSITIONS SUCH AS YOU HAVE THESE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT OUR STATE MANDATES AND STATUTES ORDINANCES. IT DOESN'T USUALLY DAWN ON YOU GUYS OR YOUR STAFF TO REACH OUT TO OTHER PEOPLE IN YOUR POSITIONS LIKE MAYOR JAMES'S STAFF IN WEST PALM BEACH, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WEST PALM BEACH IS BIG IN THAT SOMETIMES IT WOULD BE WHO HAVE YOU GUYS? EVEN THOUGH I KNOW MOST ELECTED OFFICIALS DON'T DO IT TO REACH OUT TO YOUR COUNTERPART. IN OTHER CITIES THAT THIS HAPPENED TO THAT THEY WENT THROUGH.

OAKLAND. I'M NOT BEING A WISEASS . OAKLAND PARK, FLORIDA I JOKE ALL THE TIME. STEWART'S TURNING INTO COCONUT CREEK, FLORIDA WIND THIS UP NOW REACH OUT TO OTHER PEOPLE WHO DO WHAT YOU DO OTHER MAYORS AND SAY, HEY, HOW DID YOU HANDLE THIS? MANDATE FROM THE STATE. WHAT DO YOU DO IN WEST PALM? WHAT DO YOU AND LAKE WORTH AND ASKED THEM AND FROM THERE, YOU CAN DRAW YOUR OWN ECONOMIC BREAK. EVEN ANALYSIS ON HOW YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR A THING. WHEN YOU COME WHEN IT COMES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. YOU DON'T NEED TO NEED TO TELL YOU I SENT YOU. A CLARK WANTS AN EMAIL KIND OF BEING A SMART GUY, AND I SAID, I CALLED ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS IN HERE. THE PRECONSTRUCTION ONES. I SAID, WHAT'S THE RIGHT FOR THE SMALLEST YOU HAVE, AND THEY STARTED 3200. SO I'M SAYING TO YOU. IT'S OKAY. WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE A MAYOR OF STEWART TO REACH OUT TO A VICE MAYOR IN BROWARD OR COCONUT CREEK, FLORIDA OR CORAL SPRINGS AND SAY, HOW DID YOU HANDLE THIS? YOU HAD THE SAME SITUATION YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHAT DID YOU DO? IT'S OKAY TO DO THAT AND SAY, AND THEY'LL TELL YOU AND IF THAT SERVES YOU IT'S SOMETIMES BETTER THAN LISTENING TO 100 GUYS IN SUITS WITH WITH LITTLE UH, FINANCIAL ECONOMIC FORECASTS AND A STORY ABOUT DEVELOPING THE CITY. THANK YOU. BYE CAN EVER HELP IF I COULD EVER VOLUNTEER PROJECT MANAGER IF I CAN GET ON THE PHONE AND REACH OUT TO PEOPLE AND PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE, IN BIGGER PLACES. IT'S OKAY. I DON'T WANT MONEY. I DON'T WANT TO BE A CONSULTANT. I DON'T WANT TO BE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. IF THAT EVER SERVES ANY OF YOU. MY NAME IS COREY WINNER. I'M EASY TO FIND THANK YOU TOMORROW OTHERS TO TEACH PLANNING. THANK YOU CAN GET TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK THERE. I CAN DO THAT. I'VE DONE IT TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL. I'VE WALKED INTO DIFFERENT PLACES AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE. IT'S USUALLY PEOPLE STARING AT ME. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND. BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU TOMORROW FLAG, LEE. BOB, IT'S YOUR TURN. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GOT PROPS. THIS TWO URNS.

THIS IS THIS IS THIS IS A CLASSIC VERSION OF POWERFULLY 19 EIGHTIES POWER POINT. YOU GOT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN ALL SEE IT, THOUGH. YEAH. YOU GOTTA TURN IT TO SEE IT. OH, YEAH. UH GREETING COMMISSIONERS BAR BURNS, JOHNSON APP. I WENT TO THE WATER FEST, AND IT WAS. CAN'T HEAR YOU MR

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WATER FEST, AND IT WAS REALLY SOMETHING TO SEE ALL THOSE STUDENTS THEY'RE SO INTERESTED IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT SO INTERESTING. THE COMMUNITY AND THEY HAD SOME STICKERS HERE AND THEY HEARD I WAS GOING TO GO TO THE COUNTY, THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING AND THEY SAID, WOULD YOU PASS THESE STICKERS ON AND THIS STICKER SENSE MORE TREES LESS THAN MEN IN THEIR FOREHEADS ANYWAY, TO START THE CONVERSATION. MORE TREES LESS CEMENT. COMMISSIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, DENSITY HERE . I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT NO MORE DENSITY IN SMALL TOWN, STEWART. YOUR VOTES, DESTROYING SMALL TOWN, STEWART. BY THE WAY , A LOT OF YOU TALKING ABOUT I WAS IN STUART STUART STORY THERE CERTAIN DAY I WAS IN STUART IN 1953. IT WAS A THINKING HOW NICE IT WAS BACK IN 1953, BUT YOUR OWN DEVELOPMENT VOTES. I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THEM HERE, AND I THOUGHT YOU WOULD HAVE LEARNED FROM SOME OF THESE. THIS IS THE STORAGE. UH IT'S CALLED THE CUBE. SMART STORAGE. REMEMBER THE BIG FEAR OF THAT? CAUSE WHEN YOU DID THAT? OH, THEY'RE GOING TO LEARN. THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANY MORE OF THIS STUFF THAT DESTROYED THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER. LOOK AT THE LITTLE HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO THAT. HOLY DESTROYED THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER. THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK IN CENTRAL PARKWAY TONIGHT. HAVE YOU BEEN OVER THE CENTRAL PARKWAY? SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING THAT COMMUNITY RIGHT HERE, PROBABLY CREEK. THAT IS DESTROYING THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER THAT WAS TWO STORIES, LOW DENSITY MAXIMUM. AND LOOK WHAT YOU'VE APPROVED OVER THERE IF YOU'VE BEEN OVER TO SEE HIM WHAT ABOUT THE CONCRETE WALL ON CANADA? HAVE YOU SEEN THE CONCRETE WALL AND CANADA AND INDIAN AND CANADA. DO IS THAT WHAT YOU THOUGHT? WHEN YOU VOTE FOR THERE'S THERE? WOULD YOU EXPECT IT TO GET SITTING RIGHT ON THE HIGHWAY? THERE IS NO ACCESS LANE. WHAT IS THIS? THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO.

AND WHAT ABOUT DOWN HERE AT THE WOODEN WONDER? SO FEDERAL? HAVE YOU BEEN DOWN TO SEE THE WOODEN WONDERING SOUTH FEDERAL THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WITH YOU DON'T DO THIS TO US. YOU DID IT. HAVE YOU SEEN IT? LOOK AT THIS ON THE RIVER. IS THAT WHAT I RIVER IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE? IS THAT WHAT YOU EXPECTED? R RIVETER LOOK LIKE? ARE YOU GOING TO CONTINUE DOING THAT TO A SMALL TOWN COMMUNITY COMMUNITY AND LOOK AT THIS ONE HERE LITTLE FURTHER DOWN THE RIVER BUILT RIGHT ON THE RIVER. IS THAT YOU BONEFISH THAT IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? OUR COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE LOOK AT THIS THING HERE. ACCESS ONE. YOUR TIME'S UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I PLAN TO BE AT THE MEETING TOMORROW. YOU CAN. YOU CAN DO THIS SECOND HALF. DETAILS WOULD LIKE TO SEE. TAKE IT TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU, MR ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AND ADAM 10? GOOD I WANT TO GO.

MR DOUG DOUG DOUGLAS! DOUGLAS! ASHLEY MR MARTEL. I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED, YOU EXPLAINED. I THINK ITEM 10 VERSUS ITEM 11. ARE THEY SIMILAR? THEY'RE BOTH RELATED TO THE SAME ISSUE. I WAS ASSISTING COMMISSIONER BRUNER. WHO DID NOT WANT ITEM TEND TO GO FORWARD. DOESN'T INCLUDE PARKING UNLESS THE PARKING WAS IN IT, SO ESSENTIALLY, HER MOTION WAS CONTINGENT UPON THE ADOPTION. WE USED TO DO THEM TOGETHER PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE 163.3184 AND 3177, BUT. WHEN UH , MERIT. MATHESON WAS THE MAYOR . HE ASKED THAT THE CITY STARTS SEPARATING THE LAND USE AND ZONING. FROM THE SAME ORDINANCES AND AS A RESULT, YOU DO THE LAND LOOSE COMPLETELY ALONE. AND THESE THE ZONING CAN FAIL IN THE LAND USED STILL HAPPENED. SO THE ONLY WAY TO PROTECT THAT IS FOR THE MOTION TO BE CONTINGENT UPON THE ZONING THAT COMES NEXT. AND IF THAT ZONING FAILS, THEN YOU'RE YOU'RE BROADCASTING UP FRONT THAT THIS ORDINANCE FOR THIS LAND USE TEXT AMENDMENT ONLY. VAST SO IF THAT CONDITION PROCEEDING OF WHATEVER IT IS, AND THIS INSTANCE THE ZONING BEING ADOPTED AT A RATE OF TWO POINT OH, INSTEAD OF 1.5 ALSO GETS ADOPTED SO BUT FOR THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IF THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM COMES AND THE BOARD ADOPTS IT AT 1.5. THEN THE CONDITION PROCEEDING DIDN'T HAPPEN, AND THEREFORE THE TEXT AMENDMENT. DIDN'T BECOME EFFECTIVE. NICE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I GUESS. MY THREE MINUTES NOW I'M GOING TO THINK IT

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DOESN'T COUNT TOWARDS YOUR TIME TEASING YOU. UH MY BACKGROUND ALSO IS IT IS CALLED THEM LUXURY APARTMENTS. THIS GOES BACK 30. YEARS AGO I WAS OF THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR GROUP HERE AND WELL NATIONWIDE. BUT THE VP FOR FLORIDA I WENT ALL OVER THE STATE OF FLORIDA. WE HAD THE HATE HATE TO SAY THE DIRTY WORD SECTION EIGHT. BUT IT WASN'T THAT WAY. IT WAS AFFORDABLE. IT WAS GIVEN AND EVERYBODY AGREED TO. IT WAS A LOT EASIER. UH RIGHT NOW I'M SEEING SO MUCH CONSTRUCTION NORTH OF THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE. WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE IN FRONT OF THE COUNTY. WE NEED MEN SHELTERS. WE'VE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF LOT MORE PEOPLE. BUT MY COMMENT TODAY IS I WAS KIND OF INVOLVED WITH RYO IN A C AND I WANT TO BE POSITIVE WITH THE COUNTY. THIS IS LIKE TO BE POSITIVE WITH THE CITY, BUT THE TRAFFIC STUDIES NOW I THINK I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE YOU GO AROUND THESE SITES. YOU GOT GREENBERGER PARKWAY OVER BY SEVEN SAVANNAH. THEN YOU GOT BAKER ROAD AND THEY'RE ALL TOGETHER. I VISUALIZE WHEN A SCHOOL AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT PLANS OR DEVELOPER PLANS TO DO A NEW DEVELOPMENT.

THEY CONSIDER THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. WELL, I WOULD ASSUME YOU DRAW A MAP OF MILE RADIUS.

WHATEVER RATINGS YOU WANT, HOW MUCH CARS ARE YOU PUTTING IT ON THE STREETS? BECAUSE WHAT I'VE SEEN THIS OVER IN THE LAST TWO YEARS? IT'S APPALLING. I MEAN, I SEE IT ALL OVER AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY I'M AN EXPERT OR ANYTHING. I'VE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE AS A DEVELOPER. INVOLVED WITH DEVELOPERS. BUT I JUST WANT TO SEE THIS BECAUSE TRAFFIC STUDIES TO ME ARE VERY IMPORTANT. WE KNOW THAT BOT CAN'T KEEP UP OR THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT.

TRANSPORTATION CAN'T KEEP UP WITH BUILDING THE ROADS. I THINK THE ROADS NEED TO BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE THERE'S EVERYONE KNOWS IT TAKES 10 2030 YEARS WE'RE LOSING. WE HAVE A GREAT CITY.

LET'S NOT LOSE IT, AND I DON'T CARE HOW MANY LAWS AND EVERYTHING INVOLVED. WE'VE GOT TO FIGHT FOR WHAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MAKES US SPECIAL. AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO MAKE US SPECIAL AND YOU WERE GOING TO BE UNIQUE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. RICHARD SINGER. YOU. GOOD EVENING. RICHARD GUY SINGER. I JUST HAD A QUESTION. MAYOR IF YOU READ MY QUESTION TO YOU ON THEIR DOES THE OLD CITY LANDFILL HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SENATE BILL ONE. OH, TWO. WE JUST GAVE IT AN EXTENSION OF 90 DAYS OR IS THIS NOT APPLICABLE? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A APPROVAL YET, BUT WE DID, UH, WHEN WE DIRECTED OF NOT TO, UH ONLY BRING THE CLEANUP LEVEL TO THAT TO A RESIDENTIAL LEVEL. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT WAS PART OF THE PART OF THE DEAL, SO OKAY, I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT RELATIONSHIP LIKELIHOOD THAT THEY COULD BRING IT TO A LEVEL. THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT THE STATE WOULD RAISE THE BROWNFIELD TO TOLERABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCY. WOULD BE SO EXPENSIVE. THAT THEY WOULDN'T EVEN DO IT. THEY'RE LOOKING REALLY TO TRY AND STABILIZE IT.

PUT AN ASPHALT TOP OVER IT SO IT DOESN'T MOVE AND THEN TREATED AS A TRANSFER STATION OR OR DISTRIBUTION CENTER. PROBABLY THAT WAREHOUSING TYPE MAXIMUM USE MANY ACRES. I'M NOT SURE THE EXACT NUMBER DON'T HAVE IN FRONT OF 40 OR 50 ACRES. OKAY THE WAY IT'S BROKEN DOWN IN THE WAY IT'S THE WAY TO CLEAN UP WILL BE. IT'S NOT THAT IT'S FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT COMMERCIALLY ZONED AT THIS POINT, IT'S GOING TO LANDFILL OKAY TO WHEN IT COMES BACK. THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. THANK YOU. IT'S GOING TO BE IN PRIVATE HANDS. YOU KNOW WHEN IT COMES BACK, BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING THAT THE LAND IF IT'S IF A COMMERCIAL LANDOWNER OWNS VACANT LAND, THEY'RE ENTITLED TO DEVELOP IT TO 30 MINUTES OR 15 YEARS TODAY, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA BE OKAY. SO WE HAVE UM, MOTION AND A SECOND. WE'VE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT. WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? MAYOR MCDONALD YES. CLARK YES. COLLINS YES, BRUNER? YES NO. AND FURTHER. RECORD JUST FOR I KNOW THAT I TOLD THE CLERK I WOULD REPEAT THE MOTION. THE MOTION WAS TO APPROVE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT AMENDMENT AS WRITTEN WITH THE TYPOS CORRECTED, CONDITIONED UPON ITEM 11 BEING ADOPTED. AS A LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION, WHERE A 500 SQUARE FOOT UNIT WOULD REQUIRE 1.5 SPACES PER UNIT AND A 700 SQUARE FOOT UNIT WOULD REQUIRE TWO. NO NO, IT WAS

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TWO SPACES FOR THE FULL UNIT. 1.5 FOR THE THREE QUARTER UNIT ONE AND A QUARTER FOR THE OKAY.

IN THE IN THE U P U D RIGHT, SO RIGHT, SO THAT THE TWO SPACES 20.5 AND TWO UNITS CREDITED IT AND THEN AND TWO, SO THE 500 SQUARE FOOT UNIT WOULD BE 1.5 TO 71.25. NO NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

HOLD ON. THEN. WE GOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE MR MARTEL CORRECT AT HER AND SAID 1.5 AND TWO LIST IS 1.251 IS 1.5. THE OTHER ONE IS TWO POINTS. THAT'S WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS ALREADY. THAT SORT OF CHANGED FROM WHAT IT ISN'T. SO WHAT? WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS A 500 SQUARE FOOT UNIT. WOULD BE 1.25. A 700 SQUARE FOOT UNIT WOULD BE 1.5 AND A. THE REST OF THE UNITS THAT DON'T QUALIFY AS HALF UNITS WOULD BE TWO POINT OH, SO AND IN THIS, THE UPND HAD THE REST OF THE UNITS AT 1.5. SO A 900 SQUARE FOOT UNIT. UNDER OUR REGULAR CODE WOULD HAVE A MATH OF 1.5. BUT IN THE U P U D IT'S GOING TO HAVE A MATH OF TWO POINT OH 701 SQUARE FOOT UNIT WILL HAVE A MATH OF TWO POINT.

OH, CORRECT. SO IT'S 1.251 POINT FIVE AND TWO POINT OH, IS WITH HER. OKAY UM, 11 HELP. MY ROLE IS TO CALL THE ROLE NOW. I THOUGHT YOU'D ALREADY CALLED THE ROLE. SHE DID. SHE DID. YEAH I'M SORRY. UM IT'S BEEN A LONG BED SO WE GOT, UH, ITEM 11. MIKE, WOULD YOU READ THE TITLE?

[11. LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENT - ZONING IN PROGRESS (RC): ORDINANCE No. 2515-2023; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY’ LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE; MORE SPECIFICALLY ADMENDING THE EXISTING SECTION 2.07.00.I OF CHAPTER II ENTITLED “URBAN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (UPUD) DISTRICTS, TABLE 2.07.A. UPUD UNIT DENSITY AND PARKING SPACE CALCULATION TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM UNIT SIZE REQUIREMENTS; PROVIDING DIRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

ORDINANCE 25 15-20 TO 3 IN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE MORE SPECIFICALLY AMENDING THE EXISTING SECTION TWO POINT OH 7.1 POINT ONE OF CHAPTER TWO ENTITLED URBAN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT UPU D DISTRICTS. TABLE TWO POINT OH SEVEN POINT A UPU D UNIT DENSITY. AND PARKING SPACE CALCULATION TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM UNIT SIZE REQUIREMENTS, PROVIDING DIRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALTERNATIVES AND CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. MAY HAVE PUT THEIR MADE WITH THE COURT.

UM REGARDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 15 2023 MOVE APPROVAL OF, UM. WHAT IS PRODUCED HERE, EXCEPT THAT WE'LL TABLE TWO POINT OH, SEVEN. A ALL THE CHANGES THAT, UM MISS BRUNER HAD ALREADY.

SAID, IN WHICH WE SET AS A CONDITION OF THE LAST ITEM THAT THAT WOULD BE REPLACED IN TABLE TWO POINT OH SEVEN, A SECOND AND THE OTHER QUESTION JUST THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAD RAISED WAS AT THE WORKSHOP. THE BOARD DID RAISE THAT ISSUE OF IS IT 100% COULD SOMEBODY COME IN AND ASK FOR 100% OF THE UNITS? TO BE UM , HALF UNITS, OR ARE YOU CAPPING THE PERCENTAGE OF HALF UNITS AVAILABLE IN THE BUILDING BY ANY OTHER PERCENTAGE? TROY WHAT DID YOU WHAT DID YOU BRING UP? YOU SAID WANTED TO CAP IT BY 50% CAN WE? CAN WE BRING THAT IN? THIS IS THE THIS IS THE SO THAT WOULD HAPPEN. I WOULD LIKE TO DO TO DO WITH THAT, WITH THE NEED TO BE AMENDED AS WELL OR WOULD HAPPEN HERE. JUST A GENERAL TEXAN AND THAT THAT'S THE CAR PLAN. SO IT'S A BIG GREATER THING. THIS IS THE SPOT. CIVICS AND DETAILS OF IT. WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO AMENDING AND MONEY TO AMEND THAT INCLUDE THAT? WELL, IF IT IS THAT YOU COME TO CONSENSUS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A LESS WOULD BE THE CAPPING IT. YES SO THE MAX THEY COULD USE IS 50% OF THE FUNERALS TO CALCULATE . SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT WAS A ONE ACRE PARCEL, AND YOU COULD NORMALLY DO 30 UNITS AN ACRE IN THIS INSTANCE. YOU WOULD ONLY BE ENTITLED TO DO HALF OF THOSE UNITS. EQUATING TO HAVE UNITS SO YOU CAN ONLY DO 15. TIMES TWO EQUALS 30 BUT 15. HAVE YOU TWO CREDITS, RIGHT WING 30 WHOLE UNITS, PLUS THE OTHER 15. YOU HAD AS A ORIGINAL AMOUNT, WHICH WOULD BE 45 UNITS ON THAT PROJECT, WHEREAS IF 100% OF THAT PROJECT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO HALF UNITS. IN THEORY, YOU WOULD END UP WITH 60 UNITS. FINAL BILLING . THIS DROPS IT TO 45 TOOK ME. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES RABBIT HOLES I WENT DOWN AND MIKE I WOULD FIND MY PROBLEM BATH. SO THIS WORKS BEST. SO THANK YOU.

SO WITH REGARD TO MY MOTION, DO WE HAVE TO ADD THAT LANGUAGE RIGHT INTO THIS WOULD BE

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ORDINANCE TITLE RIGHT NOW. THIS IS FIRST READING. SO WHEN WE GO TO SECOND READING WILL ADD THAT LANGUAGE IN NEED TO MAKE IT PART OF YOUR MOTION TO MAKE IT. IT'S PART OF MY EMOTION. OKAY MEASURES. THEN YOU MEND YOUR SECOND. YES. I THINK I MADE THE MOTION DIDN'T CHRISTMAS. YOU DID . YOU WOULD JUST BEG ALL OF US THAT BECAUSE IT'S WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITHIN THE PD PROCESS WHEN THESE COME IN FRONT OF US TO NOT WAVE PARKING WITH IN LIGHT OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, THAT'S MY ONLY THING I WOULD BEG IS PLEASE UPHOLD OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT'S STILL IN THE PD PROCESS. OKAY NO PROBLEM. WE HAVE ANY ETC. SO WE DO HAVE UH, DOUGLAS, DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP ON ITEM 11? MR ASHLEY. I GOTTA SAY THANK YOU. I USED TO BE GOOD AT THIS, BUT NOT ANYMORE. MY HEAD'S BEEN SPINNING . I GUESS THAT'S WHEN I WAS WITH THE THESE ORGANIZATIONS HATE TO USE THE WHILE. I WON'T SAY THE WORD I'M I WAS ON THE MANAGEMENT TEAM. WE HAD A CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPMENT, ETCETERA. I JUST CAME AS A AS A GUEST WHEN WE WENT TO THE CITIES AND COUNTIES, BUT I WANT TO SAY ONE MORE THING IS THAT YOU GET SO MUCH DENSITY AND TRAFFIC. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC. I KNOW. I KNOW, PARKING VERY WELL BECAUSE I HAD COMMUNITIES WHO ARE 100 UNITS. I'VE HAD COMMUNITIES WITH 1000 UNITS REALLY FAILED TO SEE IN DIFFERENT SIZED UNIT SIZES. WHAT I FIND INTERESTING IS I DON'T SEE TOO MANY PEOPLE DRIVING AND I'M GOING TO BE RUDE TO SAY THIS 1.2 CARS OR 1.5 CARS. I SEE MOST PEOPLE EVEN IN A 500 SQUARE FOOT. WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND INCOME RATIOS , ETCETERA. THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE TWO PEOPLE IN THERE AND I'M SURE THOSE TWO PEOPLE HAVE TWO CARS BECAUSE THEY WILL NEED TO GO TO WORK. SO I JUST SAY CAREFULLY, PLEASE WATCH OUT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A GOOD THING HERE. JUST DON'T OVERDO IT. THANK YOU. AND THEN BOB O LORD, SECOND HALF. THE SECOND HALF. NO TOMORROW. THIS GENTLEMAN SAID. NOBODY'S SAYING ABOUT TRAFFIC. WELL, I WANT TO SAY ABOUT TRAFFIC, BUT IN THREE MINUTES YOU CAN'T DO IT. BUT IF YOU LOOK RIGHT HERE IF YOU LOOK RIGHT OVER HERE THAT'S WHAT WE DO. EVERY DAY WE SIT THROUGH ONE LIGHT. WE SHOULD THROUGH TWO LIGHTS. WE SHOULD THROUGH THREE LIGHTS, MONTEREY. IN CANADA, US ONE IN CANADA. YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY? WE DO THAT I REPEAT TO MYSELF AS I WATCHED THE LIGHT CHANGED AND I CAN'T GET THROUGH.

I SAY, CLARK. I SAY MCDONALD BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE VOTED FOR THIS STUFF. AND THAT'S WHY I SAY THERE SHOULD BE NO MORE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN SMALL TOWN STEWART THOSE THAT ROAD IS OVER CAPACITY. NOW THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. SIX LANES. AND THAT'S WHAT WE SAID IT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DRIVE OUT THERE OR NOT. BUT THAT'S THE ONLY ROAD I CAN COME FROM MY HOUSE AND GET TO THE WORLD IS CANADA. AND LOOK WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO IT, AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE CONCRETE WALL ON CARE TO PEOPLE LIVING IN IT YET WE DON'T HAVE COSTCO WITHOUT THE FOUR WITH 400 UNITS LIVING IN IT YET, AND THAT HIGHWAY IS DONE. THERE IS NO MORE CAPACITY ON THAT HIGHWAY. WE'RE OVER CAPACITY. THIS GENTLEMAN IS CORRECT, AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR US TO BE WORKING ON ON THE STATE STATE. WE CAN'T DO IT. WE HAVE NO MORE CAPACITY . THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO MAKE TRAFFIC MOVE ON THIS ROAD. IT'S A PARKING LOT WE SAW DRIVING THE LONG ISLAND PARKWAY. WE CALLED IT A LONG ISLAND PARKING LOT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MOVE. YOU SAT THERE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING ON CANON NOW AND YOU'RE STILL IMPROVING THIS.

HIDE THIS, AND I THINK THE TWO OF YOU YOU PROMOTING AGAINST? MORE DESTRUCTION OVER IN CENTRAL PARKWAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU LISTEN TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS IN YOUR SPOKE UP AND YOU VOTE THE RIGHT WAY. AND THANK YOU, TOO. BUT WE CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE, PEOPLE. I'M A REFUGEE.

I HAVE NO OTHER PLACE TO GO. I'VE ESCAPED FROM OTHER PLACES. I USED TO LIVE IN BROWARD. I ESCAPED FROM BROWNLEE. WE CANNOT DO THIS ANY LONGER IN SMALL TOWNS. STEWART, PLEASE. I DON'T KNOW. I MET WITH YOU. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY. OKAY NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD YOU CALL THE ROLL? COMMISSIONE . NO FACE MAYOR BRUNER. YES COMMISSIONER CLARK? YES

[DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION]

COMMISSIONER COLLINS? YES MAYOR MCDONALD CLOSE. I HAVE TO SUFFER. COMMISSIONER BERNARD LIKE BEFORE WE CLOSE, UM. I'VE BEEN GETTING EMAILS ABOUT THE RIVER FROM A MET STUCKEY. BUT TODAY IF YOU GO HOLD ON ONE SECOND GO TO VOTE WATER. THERE'S A JUDGMENT THAT CAME DOWN WITH

[02:55:07]

BIG SUGAR SUING ARMY CORE OF ENGINEERS RECORD OF ENGINEERS SUING BIG SUGAR, BUT IT'S AN EXCELLENT READ WHAT THE JUDGE DID AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND I WAS EXCITED TO SEE THAT IT CAME BACK AND WHAT HAPPENED SO AND IT MARCH 21ST. IT JUST CAME OUT. SO UM, READ THAT. IT'S VERY INTERESTING, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT LAWSUITS AND LAWYERS AND ALL THAT. WE NEED TO GET AS MUCH KNOWLEDGE AS WE CAN. THANK

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Mar 27, 2023 Regular City Commission Meeting

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