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OKAY? YEAH I'LL TALK TO HER. OKAY GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE STUART CITY
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REGULAR STUART CITY COMMISSION MEETING. MARY WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? MCDONALD HERE, MAYOR BRUNER HERE. COMMISSIONER CLARK HERE. COLLINS, COMMISSIONER RICH. OKAY IF YOU PLEASE STAND AND JOIN US FOR THE IMPLICATION, AND BISHOP . SKIBA WHO IS THE STUART POLICE ? CHAPMAN WILL BE GIVING THE IMPLICATION TODAY. WELCOME, BISHOP. MR MAYOR COUNCIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS HONOR OF COMING HERE AND INVITING OUR LORD GOD TO BE PART OF THIS, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR RE INSTITUTING THIS INVOCATION. THIS WHOLE COUNTRY HAS GOTTEN TO WHERE WE ARE BECAUSE WE'VE PUSHED GOD OUT OF THE PICTURE. AND YOU HAVE BROUGHT HIM BACK WHERE HE BELONGS TO THE CENTER OF EVERYTHING WITHOUT HIM. WE CAN DO NOTHING. AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT. LET'S GO BEFORE THE LORD. OUR LORD. NO GOD! GREAT CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE. YOU RAISE UP MEN AND WOMEN TO BE LEADERS. TO STAND HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE TO GET GUIDANCE IN THE DIRECTION WE SHOULD GO. I ASKED YOUR PRESENCE HERE ON THIS COUNCIL AS THEY DELIBERATE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO YOUR PEOPLE. I ASK THAT YOU MOVE WITH YOUR HOLY SPIRIT AND GIVE THEM THE INSIGHT AND THE WISDOM TO UNDERSTAND YOUR WILL AND YOUR WAYS AND NOT ONLY THE WILL OF AND WAYS OF MAN. FATHER WE ASK YOUR BLESSING ON EVERYTHING WE DO HERE. WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS THEM AND KEEP THEM. YOU MAKE YOUR FACE TO SHINE UPON HIM AND HE GRACIOUS UNTO THEM. YOU TURN YOUR ACCOUNTANTS TOWARDS THEM AND YOU BRING THEM PEACE BE WITH US AND ALL THAT WE DO IN THE PRECIOUS NAME OF YOUR SON, JESUS WOULD PRAY. AMEN. YEAH, MAN. PEOPLE'S FLAG ON THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD. INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU, JORDAN. GET A DIRECTION THAT IS STILL THERE.OH, TRYING TO KEEP EVERYBODY IN SAFE IS LIKE HERDING CATS SOMETIMES. ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE
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ON TO COMMENTS BY COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER RICH DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TONIGHT? YES I WOULD JUST LIKE, UH, TO THANK WE DID HAVE A TOWN HALL REGARDING LEGISLATIVE ISSUES OF CONCERN TO THE CITY. AND DESPITE THE SKEPTICISM OF SOME IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WILL REMAIN NAMELESS, WE ACTUALLY HAD A PRETTY GOOD TURNOUT. I'D LIKE TO I AND I, IT JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT WE'RE SO LUCKY IN STUART, THAT PEOPLE CARE SO MUCH. UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK THANK TOM CAMPENNI. HE MODERATED IT. I'D LIKE TO. THANK UM, COMMISSIONER KAYA MAYFIELD OF THE TOWN OF SALES POINT AND THE MAYOR OF OCEAN BREEZE KAREN AUSTRIAN WHO SAT ON THE DIETS WITH ME, AND WE DISCUSSED THE VERY YES THE VARIOUS ISSUES SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. OKAY. COMMISSIONER COLLINS. I JUST WANTED TO THANK ED KILLER FOR HIS ARTICLE AND TC PALM. TALKING ABOUT? THE RIVER AND SORT OF THE SITUATION THE CITY IS IN RIGHT NOW. WE'RE LOOKING AT WHO WERE GOING TO HIRE AS A NEW CITY ATTORNEY. AND IF YOU HAVE NOT READ THAT ARTICLE I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. IT'S SORT OF A CONTENTIOUS WE'RE TRYING TO HASH OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. UM, BUT. THE CITY NEEDS TO BE DOING ITS PART TO STOP DISCHARGES AND NOT JUST BE IN THE DIRECTION OF LIP SERVICE. WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT FOR WATER QUALITY OVER THE YEARS, BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE IS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW. FOR THE CITY TO STAND UP AND HAVE ITS VOICE HEARD, ALONG WITH I DON'T KNOW IF. ALL OF YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE THE VOTE WATER. ARTICLE ON THE ARMY CORPS VERSUS SUGAR. CASE AND HOW THAT WENT, BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OUR VOICE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE ST LUCIE RIVER.BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION NOW AND. HAVING CITY ATTORNEY THAT WOULD BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY WOULD BE AMAZING IN THAT AND MANY OTHER SITUATIONS THAT WE MAY BE FINDING OURSELVES IN IN THE NEAR FUTURE WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE OF THINGS WITH REGARDS TO QUALITY OF LIFE . YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE STARTING TO SLOW DOWN WITH WHAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DEVELOP WITH WHAT'S
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DEVELOPING DEVELOPABLE. QUALITY OF LIFE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITION OF WHERE WE LIVE. YEAH I THINK OF THE FELLOW CASE. THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FORWARD ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY WITH SOME LITIGATION EXPERIENCE TO HELP BENEFIT THE CITY GOING FORWARD. SO AGAIN. THANK YOU, ED KILLER. FOR BRINGING THE RIVER AND THE POTENTIAL FOR THE LEGAL CONVERSATION. THAT'S ALL. OKAY.COMMISSIONER CLARK. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM. I JUST WANTED TO START OFF BY, UM THANK YOU ARE.
COMMUNITY. SERVICES DEPARTMENT THAT WAS GOING TO SAY RECREATION. I JUST THINK HARD OR COME INTO SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND THEIR STUFF AND THE WORK THAT THEY DO WITH THE YOUNG PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THEY HAD THE STARS OVER STEWART EVENT AT THE BOND THEATER. I THINK LAST FRIDAY EVENING AND THE TALENT THAT THEY GARNERED FROM SOME OF THE STUDENTS, I GUESS THAT WERE THERE FROM THE FRONT PROGRAMS IN THE CITY AS WELL AS THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOLS. UM AND THAT'S REALLY JUST SHOWS COMMUNITY. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE. THE PARENTS WITH THE STUDENTS BEHAVED. IT WAS REALLY A HOMETOWN EVENT AND AN AFFAIR. AND I THINK MR REDSTONE NEEDS TO BE HIGHLY COMMENDED MS JESSICA THORPE AND THE ENTIRE STAFF AND ALL THOSE WHO THEY REACHED OUT TO AS PARTNERS TO GET THAT GOING TAX AND TEENS AND OTHER PERSONS AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE MR MAYOR THAT YOU LET THEM KNOW THAT, UM WE APPRECIATE THAT MR REDSTONE HAS ADOPT JOB WITH THE YOUNG PEOPLE, AND WE APPRECIATE WHAT THEY DO. I ATTENDED THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL MEDIAN UNLESS FRIDAY. AND MR LANAHAN AND HIS STAFF MADE AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION ON THE SENATE BILL THAT WAS RECENTLY PASSED AND DEALT SPECIFICALLY WITH SOME HOUSING ISSUES AND OTHER THINGS , AND I'LL SEND THE AGENDA TO MR MORTAL. BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAD ASKED MR MARTEL TO TRY TO WORK ON GIVEN US SOME TYPE OF WORKSHOP AND UPDATE AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, UM, ESPECIALLY BEFORE JULY, AND BEFORE THINGS START TO HAPPEN. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE THEY'RE PROBABLY HAVE OVER 37 PEOPLE ON THAT, AND THEY'RE FROM PALM BEACH COUNTY, BREVARD , INDIAN RIVER COUNTY COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AS WELL AS CITY, UM ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THEY WERE ASKING ALL THE SAME QUESTIONS. WHO, WHAT? WHEN WE ARE Y, AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES AND WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THEM COMING DOWN FROM TALLAHASSEE, SO MR LANAHAN HAS A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION. I HOPE THAT MR MODEL CAN WORK WITH HIM THAT MAYBE ONE DAY HE CAN COME HERE AND TALK ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC THING, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO IMPACT ON HOUSING AND SOME OTHER ISSUES. SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT BUT I'LL GIVE THAT INFORMATION TO MR MORTAL FOR HIM TO REVIEW UM AND THEN ALSO TO TELL US WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE WHEN WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET A PRIMER ON HOW THIS SENATE, LITTLE 102 AND 106 AND THE HOUSE BILL WILL ALSO WILL AFFECT US MORE DEEPLY. UM, MR. COMMISSIONER COLLINS MENTIONED ABOUT THE PUT INTIAL CITY ATTORNEY POSITION AND, YOU KNOW , WE'LL JUST SEE HOW THAT GOES. BUT THE MAIN THING THAT I WANTED TO AGAIN AS MR MARTEL ALSO AND MR JODY, OR FINANCE PERSON. IF THERE'S ANY GUIDELINES, AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR THE BUDGET FOR THE PAST. 10 YEARS OR MORE, BUT I JUST WANT TO JUST STATED ON THE RECORD JUST TO BE SURE, THERE'S ANY MONEY THAT HAVE BEEN SQUIRRELED AWAY FOR SOME TYPE OF WATER QUALITY FUND IN ADDITION TO JUST A REGULAR ATTORNEY FEES THAT ARE, IF THERE'S ATTORNEY JOB FOR THE CITY, UM WHAT WE KNOW WHAT THAT POSITION CONTAINS IN TERMS OF THE FUNDING FOR IT. BUT IF THERE'S ANY WATER QUALITY FUNDS OR IF THERE'S ANY ABILITY TO START EITHER SQUIRRELING AWAY MONEY OR FIND SOURCES TO HAVE SOMETHING WHERE IF WE HAD TO HAVE EITHER OUTSIDE COUNSELOR TO FILE A LAWSUIT BECAUSE IT WILL DIMINISH DIMINISH VERY QUICKLY IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LAWSUIT FILED THE MONEY IS JUST GOING TO GO AWAY. AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, 3 $400,000. IT'S GONE AND ABSOLUTELY NO RESULTS, AND THESE RESULTS WILL TAKE A LONG TIME.
SO I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO TRY TO DISCUSS THE HIRING A SEPARATE ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT IT CARRIES SOME IMPORT, AND IT SHOWS SOME, UH, INTEREST AND KEENNESS OF THE CITY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE ISSUE. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO, UM, LOOK AND SEE WHERE WE'RE
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GOING TO GET THE MONEY FROM TO DO SOMETHING SPECIFIC LIKE THAT, OR, UM BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY WHO'S GOING TO DEAL WITH ALL OUR CONTRACTS AND OTHER THINGS AND POSSIBLY DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT . BUT THAT'S NOT THE CONVERSATION TODAY, BUT I DO WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES FOR WATER QUALITY LITIGATION TYPE THINGS.AND THEN MR MOORE TELL I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I HAD SAID THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET MR MORTAL TO BE HERE AS AN INTERIM , UM, CITY MANAGER. UNTIL WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS AND SO ON, SO I'M GIVING MY LITTLE DAY BY DAY WEEK BY WEEK, MONTH BY MONTH, WHATEVER EVALUATION AND I MUST SAY ALL I CAN SAY IS MR MARTEL. I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE'S FOUND THE TIME TO DO THE WORK THAT HE HAS BEEN DOING AND TO RESPOND TO WHAT HE'S BEEN DOING. BUT I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING ELSE.
THANK YOU, MR MARTEL. THANK YOU, UH, THANKS, MR BROODER. THE CONFLICT IS. IS THE RIVER WAS SOME PEOPLE, UM I THINK IT IS WITH ALL OF THIS. I JUST WANTED TO SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS THE COMMISSIONER COLLINS BROUGHT UP THE CONCERN OF THE RIVER AND, UM AND MISS CLARK. IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU. I HAVE ALL THESE YEARS. YOU'VE GIVEN A LOT OF THOUGHT. AND THERE'S SO MUCH THAT GOES INTO IT. AND WE I KNOW WHERE THE CITY AND WE REPRESENT . EVERYONE THINKS WE DO. I WISH WE HAD THE COUNTY'S MONEY. WE GOT WHAT OUR LITTLE BUDGET COMPARED TO THEIR HALF A BILLION. BUT NOT THAT I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A IN A WELL, I HOPE IT DIDN'T COME ACROSS THAT IT'S THE WHOLE COUNTY. IT'S ALL THE PEOPLE. UM IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS, I WOULD SAY WELL, EVERYONE HAS TO BE THERE. UM, MONEY NEEDS TO BE COMING IN FROM EVERYBODY. UM, POINTING SOMEONE THAT KNOWS AND THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH AND HAVE BEEN ALL THESE YEARS WITH THE RIVER. AND I THINK OF ALL THE LAWSUITS AND ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS AND NONPROFITS, ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES THEY GO FROM THE KEYS ALL THE WAY TO TALLAHASSEE. THERE MUST BE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF THEM. AND, UH, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER, AND THEY DON'T EITHER. UM. I GUESS WE'LL JUST KEEP TRUDGING ALONG UNTIL SOMEHOW SOME WAY WE FIGURE IT OUT. THANK YOU. WELL ON THAT NOTE, JUST A COUPLE OF ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT IT A COUPLE OF REALLY WONDERFUL THINGS. UM ONE WAS. THE CITY OF STEWART ONCE AGAIN WAS RANKED NUMBER TWO. I THINK IN A RECENT SURVEY BEACHSIDE TOWN INTERESTING ENOUGH. SANDUSKY, OHIO IS NUMBER ONE, WHICH I GREW UP JUST AN HOUR FROM SANDUSKY. SO UM SO I KIND OF FEEL KIND OF GOOD LIKE SANDUSKY, EVERYONE.
WHAT'S THAT? EVERYONE MOVED TO SANDUSKY NOT TO DO IT THE SO I FEEL KIND OF LIKE I'M PART OF THE HOME TEAM ON BOTH ONES. BUT UM BUT A WEEK AGO SATURDAY, UH, PARTICIPATE FOR THE FIRST TIME AS A GUARDIAN ON THE HONOR FLIGHT PROGRAM AND WOW, WHAT AN EXPERIENCE AND, UH, IF ANYBODY'S NOT FROM MARATHI HONOR FLIGHT PROGRAM, IT'S UH THEY TAKE THAT TURNS. THEY STARTED OFF WITH WORLD WAR, TWO VETERANS AND THEN LATER ON, THEY MOVED TO KOREA. NOW THEY'RE VIETNAM. VETERANS ON OUR ON OUR FLIGHT WE HAD TO WORLD WAR. TWO VETERANS TO WORLD WAR TWO KOREA AND VIETNAM VETERANS HAS SERVED IN ALL THREE THEATERS OF ACTION, AND THEN WE HAD 66 OR DON'T EXCUSE ME SEVEN KOREAN VETERANS AND 66 VIETNAM VETERANS AND MY WIFE BOTH DID IT. WE'RE BOTH SIGNED US VIETNAM VETERAN AND, UH, IT WAS VERY REWARDING SEEING UH, OUR VETERANS, UM. MY PERSONAL VETERANS SAW A LOT OF COMBAT IN VIETNAM AND, UH HE WAS A DROUGHT . HE WAS A VOLUNTEER DRAFTY AS HE SAID. HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO GET DRAFTED, SO I JUST WENT AHEAD AND JOINED THE ARMY TO GET IT OVER WITH. UH AND SEEING THE CLOSURE AS HE WAS DOING RUBBINGS ON THE WALL OF FRIENDS THAT HE LOST AND THAT WAS REWARDING AND MOVING. MY WIFE'S VETERAN WAS. I WILL SAY THAT FROM I DON'T WANT
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TO GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT HE WAS OBVIOUSLY HURT BY THE EXPERIENCE HE HAD BY HOW HE WAS TREATED AT HOME AS HIS SERVICE ENDED IN THE WELCOME HOME THAT THE FLIGHT PROGRAM GIVES THE VETERANS WHEN WE GET OFF THE AIRPLANE AND PALM BEACH WITH 1500 PEOPLE THEY'RE SAYING THANK YOU. HE TEXTED MY WIFE THAT NIGHT AND SAID THAT WELCOME HOME GAVE THEM CLOSURE. SO THAT'S WHAT ON OUR FIGHT IS ABOUT AND ANYBODY WHO GETS A CHANCE TO DO IT. ROZ JOHNSON IN OUR HR DEPARTMENT. SHE'S A GUARDIAN TRAINER. UM AND AH, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO WORK ON WITH WITH ROZ AND MIKE TO PUT TOGETHER A GROUP OF CITY EMPLOYEES TO DO IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD THING FOR US TO DO AND PROVIDE THE SUPPORT FOR SOME OF THESE VETERANS. SO THAT WAS IT WAS A IT WAS A LONG DAY AT YOU MEET AT THE WATER PARK AT THREE A.M. AND THEY DROP YOU OFF AT THE WATER PARK AT ABOUT 10. PM SO IT'S AN 18 HOUR DAY AND YOU SPEND YOUR DAY PUSHING YOUR VETERAN AROUND IN A WHEELCHAIR AND IT'S HARD WORK, AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THE VETERAN. AND IT IS. IT IS ONE REWARDING, WORTHWHILE EXPERIENCE. SO. SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR MARTEL. UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF POINTS FIRST, I WANT TO PRESENT THE ON AWARD THE CITY OF STEWART RECEIVED I WAS GIVEN THIS TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION, THE FLORIDA CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION AWARDED THE CITY OF STEWART WITH PROJECT OF THE YEAR FOR 2023. RELATED TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND PROJECTS OF UNDER $2 MILLION FOR THE TRESSLER DRIVE, BAFFLE BOX PROJECT. WOW SPEECH FROM MILTON MILTON SPEECH. UM, AMAZING. I CAN'T SAY I HAVE NO WORDS, BUT THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. UM I WANT TO AS A REMINDER. I WANT TO LET REMIND EVERYONE THAT MAY 1ST THROUGH MAY 22ND AT SIX. A.M. DO NOT PLAN ON GOING UNDER THE ROOSEVELT TRAIN BRIDGE BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE CLOSED. THEY'VE BEEN HAVING NIGHT CLOSURES MOVING UP TO IT, BUT I'M A FIRST JUST WILL OFFICIALLY BE CLOSED FOR 21 DAYS AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT PLAN TO REOPEN IT TO SIX A.M. IN THE MORNING ON MAY 22. ARE WE GONNA SEND ANYTHING OUT? PEOPLE WE CAN , BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW IT GOES TO BECAUSE EVERYBODY WE WOULD SEND TWO IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BRIDGE, SO I'M NOT I'M HAPPY TO MAYBE INCLUDES DINNER ON MINE OR SOMETHING. YEAH THAT ON OUR FACEBOOK DO STUFF. I MEAN, I'M JUST THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP TONIGHT JUST TO KEEP SOME REPETITION IN IT AND HOPEFULLY, PEOPLE WILL SEE IT. IN ADDITION, ON A SEPARATE NOTE ON MAY 2ND. IN CASE YOU'RE WONDERING THE ACTUAL DIXIE HIGHWAY HIGHWAY, ROOSEVELT BRIDGE IS GOING TO BE CLOSED FROM EIGHT AM UNTIL FIVE PM A TOTAL CLOSURE OF DIXIE HIGHWAY SO YOU CAN EXPECT SOME BACKUP UM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER WEEK MAY 2ND IS. BUT IF IT'S A WEEKDAY, IT'LL BE AND I'LL LOOK RIGHT NOW REAL FAST TUESDAY. UM IT WILL. YEAH. IT IS A TUESDAY SO YOU CAN EXPECT YOU KNOW WHEN YOU NONE OF THE CARS OFF GREEN RIVER PARKWAY COMING SOUTH. NO ONE COMING THAT WAY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GO. THEY'LL ALL HAVE TO GO BACK UP UNDER US. ONE SO YOU'LL HAVE A SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES THERE, BUT IT'S ONLY ONE DAY. MR MORE SORRY TO BOTHER YOU, MR MARSHALL. IS THAT SOMETHING? ANY OF THOSE CLOSURES IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT ON OUR TWO, UM, LIGHTED SIGNS. I BELIEVE THAT THEY DO HAVE, UM, THE MADE SECOND ONE. I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT ABOUT THREE O'CLOCK THIS AFTERNOON. SO I HAVE NO DETAILS ON IT YET, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT'S AN F DOT THING, AND THEY'LL DO THAT YELLOW SIGN AS THE DETOUR AND I'LL MAKE SURE THEY DO IT A FEW DAYS IN ADVANCE. I THINK THE FIRST ROOSEVELT BRIDGE, TELLING THE TELLING THE VOTERS UNLESS THEY'RE YOU KNOW, THE CARS HAVE AN IMPACT ON IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH AND I COULD CHECK WITH THEM AND CHECK WITH BRIGHT LINE TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING AS FAR AS NOTIFYING THE VOTERS. UM AND THEY NEXT THING IS JUST AS A POINT OF THE VOTERS ARE VERY MUCH AWARE. I'M SURE THEY ARE. I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. BUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE FORGET THAT KIND OF CREEPS UP ON YOU. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN UM, THE MARINE INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION HAS CONTACTED THE CITY AND HAS ASKED IF WE WOULD PARTICIPATE IN AND IN LOAN THEM. UH, LIGHT POST. THE FISHING PIER THAT GOES OUT UNDER THE BRIDGE. THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOUNT A WEATHERPROOF CAMERA ON THAT BRIDGE AND HAVE IT CAME AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND OPEN UP A UM VIDEO FEED THAT PEOPLE CAN ACCESS 24 HOURS A DAY TO LOOK AT THAT. I'VE BEEN ASKING AND PARTICIPATING WITH MILTON TO SOME EXTENT. THERE IS,[00:20:04]
IN FACT ELECTRICITY OUT THERE. WE WOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING ANY OF THE TRANSMISSION OF ANY OF THE DATA OR ANY OF THE STUFF, BUT I HAVE TOLD THEM THAT ABSENT OBJECTION FROM THE COMMISSION. I THINK THAT WE COULD LET THEM STRAP A CAMERA ON THAT LIGHT POST TO HAVE AN AIM AT THE BRIDGE AS LONG AS THEY TOOK CARE OF ALL THE TECHNICAL STUFF AND IT WAS NO EXPENSE OF THIS LIABILITY FOR US. I'M SORRY. NO LIABILITY FOR US. I CAN'T THINK OF ANY REASON. I MEAN, UNLESS YOU KNOW IT CAUGHT SOMEBODY DOING SOMETHING THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE. BUT YOU KNOW THAT WOULD BE ON THEIR UP TO THEM. FINE WITH THAT, OKAY, AND I WILL HAVE NOTICED THAT THERE'S A CAMERA THERE. WE CAN. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE OUT. IT'S GOING TO BE POINTING NOT ONTO THE SIDEWALK BUT LITERALLY OUT TOWARD THE ROOSEVELT OR TOWARD THE RAILROAD BRIDGE. TO SHOW THE BOATS GOING THROUGH. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HIDDEN BY ANY MEANS. IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT ON THE SIDE OF THE POLE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE RECORDING SOUND. IT'S JUST GONNA BE RECORDING THE NUMBER OF BOATS GOING THROUGH THE CHANNEL THERE AND WHAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIPS. THERE ARE BECAUSE THERE'S REPORTS THAT WHEN THAT ROOSEVELT RAILROAD BRIDGE IS STARTING TO GO DOWN LATE ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON THAT THE GUY WILL TRY AND JUMP AHEAD OF FOUR DIFFERENT BOATS TO BE THE ONE THAT MAKES IT UNDERNEATH JUST IN TIME AND THAT THERE'S SOME RECKLESS BEHAVIOR AND THEY WANT TO BRING AWARENESS TO THAT. THEY ALSO WANT TO UNDERSTAND BETTER HOW THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC WORKS. THE COUNTY HAD PUT A CAMERA UP AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY STILL DO OR NOT, BUT THEY THE MARINE INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION HAS ASKED TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY NO 2015 OR SOMETHING. I WENT TO FIND MEETING. UH AND MIAMI AND GOT FINED TO FUND A CAMERA THAT FOR THE COUNTY. I THINK THAT IN THE COUNTY I THINK IT BUT FIND GOD I THINK WAS DEFINED IN THE COUNTY. BUT I WENT DOWN TO MIAMI TO SPEAK TO THE FINE FOLKS DO ABOUT GETTING THEM TO FUND THE CAMERA TO PUT ON THERE TO DO A SURVEY OF THE NUMBER OF VOTES THAT THAT HAPPENED. AND THAT WAS AND I DON'T THINK THAT CAMERA IS STILL THERE. I DON'T EITHER, AND I MENTIONED THAT TO THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE MARINE INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION, AND THEY'VE TALKED TO THE COAST GUARD ABOUT IT AS WELL. AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT IT'S THE DATA IS OLD. YEAH. YEAH THAT'S ALMOST THAT'S LIKE, EIGHT YEARS SEVEN YEARS AGO, SO YOU NEED EMOTIONAL MR MODEL BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE DETAILS ARE YET, BUT I'LL LET IT MOVE FORWARD, THEN I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ACCORDINGLY. UM THE NEXT MATTER, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAD YOUR WORKSHOP, THE CITY STAFF. CAME VERY PREPARED AND HAD A VERY, UM ACTIVE. STRATEGIC PLAN WORKSHOP THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO END AROUND 12 THAT ALMOST RAN UNTIL THE CODE ENFORCEMENT HEARING STARTED BECAUSE EVERYONE WAS VERY MUCH INVOLVED WENT OVER ABOUT AN HOUR, BUT IT WAS GOOD. AND MR CHARLES KEYES, WORKING WITH MR CARE IS TO PUT TOGETHER A FINAL PRESENTATION THAT SHOULD BE COMING TO YOU SOMETIME IN MAY. UM SENATE BILL ONE. OH, TWO AS COMMISSIONER RICH. UM MENTIONED HE HAD A WORKSHOP EARLIER LAST WEEK OR A TOWN HALL MEETING. WITH TWO OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS WASN'T JUST SENATE BILL ONE OR TWO, BUT THERE WERE SOME LEGISLATIVE ISSUES. I MET WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT ON FRIDAY. FOLLOWING THEIR ATTENDANCE AT THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL MEETING AND WE WENT INTO SOME DETAIL ABOUT THE CITY'S APPROACH TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO COME FORWARD. AND SOMETIME IN MAY. WE'RE HOPING TO PRESENT SOME TEXTS. AMENDMENT LANGUAGE TO THE L. D. R S FOR THE BOARD. TO ADOPT ESSENTIALLY A PROCESS FOR YOU TO APPROVE A LAURA AS MR RICH HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT LATELY, BUT IT'S A LAND USE REGULATION AGREEMENT, AND IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY DESCRIBE THAT , IN FACT, IF SOMEBODY WANTED AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL THAT THE THIS PROPERTY WAS DEED RESTRICTED FOR A PERIOD OF 30 YEARS, SO THAT YOU KNOW, 40% OF THE UNIONS HAVE TO BE AND IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD RECORD ON THE PROPERTY. AND CHRIS AND JODY ARE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL FOR YOU GUYS TO ADOPT SOME POLICY AS IT RELATES TO WHAT OUR UTILITIES WHAT ARE THE AMOUNT OF THOSE UTILITIES? WHAT KIND OF RENTS? WHAT HAPPENS IS THE UTILITY COSTS GO UP IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE RENTS OF THOSE APARTMENTS. AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. HOPEFULLY IT'LL COME FORWARD IN MAY AND BE ADOPTED IN JUNE, JUST IN TIME FOR THE LAW TO GO INTO EFFECT. JULY 1ST. UM AND THEN, LASTLY, I WAS ALSO GOING TO AND WAS PLANNING TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF D AND D ON THE JUNE MEETING. I DIDN'T KNOW WHICH JUNE MEETING BUT ESSENTIALLY WHEN YOU GUYS HAD THAT SPECIAL MEETING WHEN DAVID WAS LEAVING THE DIRECTION I RECEIVED WAS THAT YOU WERE WAITING UNTIL WE COULD KIND OF CIRCLE BACK AND HAVE A D AND D ON THE JUNE MEETING BEFORE WE STARTED ADVERTISING FOR OR[00:25:02]
SEEKING THE REPLACEMENT OF A PERMANENT CITY ATTORNEYS SO THAT YOU COULD FORMULATE A CONSENSUS AND MAYBE MODIFY THAT DESCRIPTION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S ROLE AND WHAT THEIR JOB WOULD BE MADE UP OF AND WHAT THE QUALIFIERS WERE. THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR IN A FUTURE CITY ATTORNEY, SO I'LL ASK, UM, THE HR DIRECTOR. UM SOME TIME TO PULL TOGETHER THE CURRENT JOB DESCRIPTION FOR CITY ATTORNEY SO THAT I CAN DISSEMINATE THAT TO YOU, AND THEN WE'LL PLAN ON HAVING A D AND D IN JUNE, AND THEN FROM THAT, OBVIOUSLY, DEPENDING ON WHAT DIRECTION YOU GIVE, MAYBE THAT WE NEED ADDITIONAL MEETINGS. MAYBE THAT WE IMMEDIATELY START ADVERTISING OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. BUT ABSENT HEARING SOMETHING OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S THE PLAN. AND[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. OKAY THANK YOU. CAN WE GET A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA? MORE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDAS PUBLISHED YOU GET A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLIENTS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AGENDA? SIT DOWN IN OUR FAVOR, SAY AYE. OKAY I[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (Non-Agenda Related) (3 Minutes Max.)]
DON'T HAVE ANY GREEN CARDS. WE GOT ONE. I HAVE NONE HAVE DONE. WE HAVE A COMMENT FROM OUR CHIEF GREEN CARDS. SORRY CHIEF TERMINALLY FOR THE RECORD STORE POLICE. I WANT TO INTRODUCE EVERYONE TO A NEW EMPLOYER WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SOME OF YOU DID NOT MAKE THIS SWEARING IN, UM FORMER SNL AVIK. IS UH, MY MINISTRATIONS CAPTAIN, ONE OF TWO CAPTAINS WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM HE COMES FROM ROCHESTER, NEW YORK. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH FOR MORE Z CAPTAINS AND, UH, LEVEQUE. STARTED WITH THE STUART POLICE DEPARTMENT IN 1995. YEAH WELCOME . HOWEVER IT WASN'T CONTINUOUS SERVICE IN 2003. HE DECIDED TO MAKE THE MOVE BACK UP TO ROCHESTER, NEW YORK. WHERE HE SERVED 20 YEARS WITH THE ROCHESTER POLICE DEPARTMENT.MAJOR CITY. HAS A LARGE AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE. SPECIFICALLY IN THE AREAS OF HOMICIDE SHOOTINGS OFFICER INVOLVED USING SHOOTINGS AS WELL SO 20 YEARS HAVE PASSED. HE RETIRED FROM THE ROCHESTER POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CAPTAIN HEATHER WRONG HAD LEFT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I DECIDED TO WITH THE PERMISSION WITH MR DIAZ TO GO OUTSIDE IN CAPTAINS AND OLIVER COMPLIED FOR THE POSITION, AND I THINK IT WAS A PERFECT PERFECT FIT. UM TO BRING HIM BACK 20 YEARS LATER, WITH NUMBER ONE. THE EXPERIENCE STUDY HOUSE NUMBER TWO. HE IS AN EIGHT YEAR VETERAN OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. HE AND I WORKED NARCOTICS TOGETHER BACK IN 90. 8 99. UM WE WERE THINKING ABOUT GOING ON ON FRIDAY NIGHT AND WORKING NARCOTICS, YOU KNOW, JUST EVENTUALLY. SO YES. UM BUT I JUST WANT TO INTRODUCE HIM, UM I'M SURE HE'LL TALK TO ANYBODY SO I WELCOME WITH I WELCOME HIM , AND HE'S CERTAINLY AN ASSET FOR THE CITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, KEITH GREEN CARDS, AND BY THE WAY, I TOLD THEM THE MEDIUMS ARE MEETINGS ARE REALLY SHORT.
SO I'M LEAVING. OKAY YEAH, WE HAVE ANY OTHER GREEN CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. YES MAKE HIM SAY ANYTHING. AND I CAN'T STAY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO VOICE AN OPINION. THE TWO ACRES OF THE HAITI WE HAVE A CAR WASH WITHIN A MILE, TWO OF THEM. AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE MADE A PARK IF WE PUT A PARKING LOT, AND THERE AND MADE IT A GREEN SPACE. I DIDN'T GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. DID YOU SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE MISSY HARRIS 5 TO 5 SOUTHEAST SALAMANDER WAY, STEWART? YEAH, I'M JUST I AM CONFUSED. ON THE DIRECTION. THAT WE'RE GOING. IT'S YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE ARE UPSET ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. WE ALL KNOW THAT. AND YOU HAVE A LITTLE PARK. I JUST FIND THAT IT WOULD BE A BONUS. FOR YOUR REPUTATION , SAYING, NO, WE NEED WE HAVE A CAR WASH. I KNOW 40 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS. BUT WE MIGHT. WE COULDN'T FIND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU THAT THAT'S MY OPINION. I REALLY AND I'VE TALKED TO QUITE A FEW PEOPLE AND YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 75. AND I SEE THE GROWTH AND I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP. AND I DON'T KNOW. WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THAT
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PIECE OF PROPERTY IS REALLY VALUABLE. IT'S REALLY VALUABLE. AND IT'S MORE VALUABLE THAN A CAR WASH. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT UNDER GENERAL PUBLIC. OKAY WE'LL MOVE ON TO[CONSENT CALENDAR]
THE CONSENSUS AGENDA. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT CALENDAR. MOTION. THE SECOND. SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLLEGE SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLARK ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SAYING NONE MARRIAGE COLORADO. MCDONALD? YES, COMMISSIONER RICH. YES BRUNER. YES COLLINS COMMISSIONER CLARK? YES? OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO, UM COMMISSION ACTION, THE[4. STUART HOUSING AUTHORITY APPOINTMENT RATIFICATION OF TWO BOARD MEMBERS (RC)]
ITEM NUMBER FOUR STUDENT HOUSING AUTHORITY APPOINTMENT RATIFICATION OF TWO BOARD MEMBERS. DO WE HAVE A MOTION APPROVAL? SECOND OKAY. WE HAVE EMOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR BRUNER. DO YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. SEEING MARRIAGE, COLORADO VICE MAYOR BRUNER. YES, MR CLARK. YES COLLINS. COMMISSIONER RICH YES,[5. EASEMENT WITH FPL FOR "CAPTAIN ADAMS PARK" PARCEL AT CONFUSION CORNER (RC): RESOLUTION No. 33-2023; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AND FLORIDA POWER & LIGHT (“FPL”) FOR A TEN (10) FOOT WIDE EASEMENT 4/24/2023 CCM RELATED TO THE PLACEMENT OF CONDUIT, MAKE-READY POLE AND HANDHOLE ON A CITY-OWNED PARCEL KNOWN AS “CAPTAIN ADAMS PARK” AT CONFUSION CORNER; RESCINDING ALL RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
MCDONALD. K ITEM NUMBER FIVE EASEMENT WITH FP AND L FOR CAPTAIN ADAMS PARK. PERSONAL CONFUSION CORNER LIKE WOULD YOU READ THE RESOLUTION? UM I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE IT OPEN. I CAN READ IT WOULD BE GREAT. OK RESOLUTION NUMBER 33-20 TO 3. A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY. UH THE CITY'S COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STEWART FORD AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AND EASEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF STEWART HURT FLORIDA AND FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT FP AND L FOR 10.FOOT WIDE EASEMENT RELATED TO THE PLACEMENT OF CONDUIT. MAKE READY PULL AND HAND HOLE ON CITY OWNED PARCEL KNOWN AS CAPTAIN ADAMS PARK. IT CONFUSION CORNER RESCINDING ALL RESOLUTIONS AND CONFLICT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE EACH AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES . WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER. 33-2023. JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE. THERE IS A SITE PLAN ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ITEM . THE POLL IS GOING TO BE IN THE VERY BACK OF THE PARK, SO IT REALLY SHOULD NOT BE. OBSERVABLE BUT AS YOU DRIVE BY OR OR HAVE ANY INTRUSION WHATSOEVER. YOU HAVE A 2ND 2ND IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SAY I REMEMBER HIM. WALKING UP AND DOWN THE EAST OCEAN. IT'S JUST SEEMS LIKE 100 YEARS AGO AND DIDN'T MEET ANYONE THAT DID KNOW IT WAS SO LONG AGO. LIKE HE WORE RED, WHITE AND BLUE AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I CAN'T REMEMBER. BUT EVERYONE KNEW HIM . HE WAS A CHARACTER SECOND MOTION, BUT I COMMISSIONER CLARK, SECOND BY VICE MAYOR BRUNER, DO YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE VICE MAYOR FOR COMING BECAUSE I ASKED WHO WAS CAPTAIN ADAMS? EVERYBODY DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS, AND THAT THEY SAT ON THE CONFUSION. CORNER WATCHING CITY IS WHAT I WAS TOLD ONE TIME BY MY WIFE'S FATHER YEARS AGO, SO VERY ELDERLY AND PLUS, IT WAS LUCKY WE HAD THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER LEARNED THAT IN FACT, IT'S CALLED CAPTAIN ADAMS. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS A PARK. IT'S VERY SMART TO POCKET PARK. OKAY, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY SAYING NONE MARRIED YOU CALL THE ROLL COMMISSIONER COLLINS VICE MAYOR BRUNER. YES MR MCDONALD. COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES RICH.
[6. AUTHORIZATION TO NEGOTIATE LEASE FOR 2 ACRE VACANT PARCEL NORTH OF ROOSEVELT BRIDGE (RC): RESOLUTION No. 26-2023; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE A VACANT LAND LEASE WITH REPRESENTATIVE(S) FROM SLC COMMERCIAL FOR THE LEASE OF THE CITY OWNED HANEY CREEK TWO (2) ACRE PARCEL; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
OKAY ITEM NUMBER SIX RESOLUTION TO NEGOTIATE A LEASE FOR TWO ACRE VACANT. RESOLUTION 26-2023 RESOLUTION, THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE A VACANT LAND LEASE WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE SLC COMMERCIAL FOR THE LEASE OF THE CITY OWNED HANEY CREEK TWO ACRE PARCEL, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVELY AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES, AND BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, I NEED TO MENTION UM THE RESOLUTION ITSELF. DID NOT CHANGE THE CONTENT BECAUSE TWO MEETINGS AGO THE COMMISSION MOTION TO TABLE THIS RESOLUTION.UM. UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE WOULD COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES REGARDING ELECTIONS, WHICH WE DID SO FOR PURE PROCEDURAL PURPOSES. WE NEED A MOTION TO REMOVE IT FROM THE TABLE SO THAT THEN WE CAN DISPOSE OF THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION. 26-2023 HOWEVER, IN THE MEANTIME, THE ORIGINAL LETTER OF INTENT WAS CHANGED, AND I RECEIVED ANOTHER LETTER OF INTENT THAT I ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ITEM. UM, THAT WAS AH! FOR A UM. CAR WASHINGTON NEGOTIATE INSTEAD OF THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANT OF THE. CHICKEN PLAY SOMETHING I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF UM I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE BROKER IN
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ANY WAY AS IT RELATES TO IT. IT'S JUST THAT I GOT THE LEAST TERM SHEET. THE DAY THE AGENDA WAS GOING OUT, SO I ADDED IT TO GIVE YOU GUYS THE, UM AS MUCH INFORMATION AS I HAD. THE PURPOSE FOR TONIGHT'S. AGENDA IS NOT TO APPROVE ANYTHING. IT WOULD LITERALLY JUST ALLOW THE CITY TO MOVE FORWARD AND NEGOTIATE WITH THESE FOLKS, JUST SO YOU KNOW. UM THE CAR WASH PEOPLE. ARE THE SAME, UM PEOPLE THAT ORIGINALLY ENTERED INTO A LAND LEASE WITH THE CITY OF STEWART. FOR A CAR WASH AND THEN ULTIMATELY PURCHASED THE LAND FROM THE CITY MANY YEARS AGO, SO THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY'S PROCESS. I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR THEY ARE WITH THAT LAND. AND YOU KNOW, GOING FALLING INTO THE CATEGORY OF THINGS WE LEARNED I HAD NO IDEA THAT THERE WAS SUCH A DEMAND FOR CAR WASHES. SO MISS. MAY I ASK THE QUESTION, MAYOR? YES. GO AHEAD, MORTAL. UM I KNOW THAT THE TABLE ISSUE IS STILL THERE. AND IF I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE SO THAT I CAN ASK THIS QUESTION, BUT REMOVE IT FROM THE CABLE FROM THE TABLE TO MOVE FORWARD, WE WOULD NEED TO REMOVE IT FROM THE TABLE. I JUST ASKED YOU THAT, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REMOVE IT FROM THE TABLE. WE HAVE A SECOND MR CAMPBELL, MISTER. SECOND CAMPBELL RICH, DID YOU SECOND I DIDN'T HEAR YOU DIDN'T HEAR IT EITHER. YEAH GO AHEAD. I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.SECOND CABLE. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RICH. I THINK IT COULD BE AN YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO NO. OKAY CLARK, AND I'LL SAY SOMETHING.
THANK YOU FAVOR. FIVE MINUTES, LIKE OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR. SAY AYE, AYE POST. OKAY NOW OFFICIALLY ON THE ON THE TABLE UNTIL THE REFERENDUM BEING LIKE , OKAY, IT'S 4 TO 1. OKAY MOTION CARRIES 4 TO 1. OKAY SO THEN I'LL ASK THE QUESTION THEN. UM SO, MR MARTEL, JUST FOR PURPOSES OF, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVEN'T WRITTEN IN FRONT OF US, AND WE KNOW IF WE COULD JUST DISCUSS THE HISTORY FROM 2011 TO 2014, AS OUTLINED IN THE IN THE BULLET POINTS AND THEN THE IMPACT OR THE PURPOSE THAT THE TWO ACRE WAS SET ASIDE IN IN TERMS OF TRYING TO FUND, THE HANEY CREEK PRESERVE AREA. IF YOU COULD JUST READ US THOSE THINGS INTO THE RECORD, SO THAT WE KNOW THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 2011 THE CITY. UM, SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. UM PRIOR TO 2011. AND FOR MANY, MANY YEARS THE CITY OWNED, UM THE FLAG PARCEL, AND IT HAD LOOKED INTO DOING SOME OTHER SORTS OF REVENUE. FLAG PARCEL IS NOT A NAME. IT'S ACTUALLY THE SHAPE OF A FLAG. IF YOU GO TO WRITE BOULEVARD AND YOU LOOK AIRILY DOWN AT THE PAINT CREEK PROPERTY, THERE'S A DIRT ROAD THAT LEADS STRAIGHT INTO HANDY CREEK. KIND OF BEHIND THAT, UM MOTORS PLACE OR THAT RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER CRAMPS AND THEN DIRECTLY BEHIND CRUMP'S IS ABOUT A TWO ACRE PARCEL THAT'S SQUARE IN NATURE. UM THAT WAS OWNED BY THE CITY OF STEWART. BACK IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSAND'S, LIKE FIVE OR SIX THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT OWNED UH THAT PROPERTY OF UP TO US ONE. AND THEY'RE ON RIGHT BOULEVARD THAT HARBOR WALK WITH THE NAME OF THE PROJECT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION THAT WAS A MIXED USE PROJECT AS WELL AS A FOUR STORY HOTEL THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN OVER KIND OF BY THE FRANKENSTEIN'S SIDE OF IT. AND BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMIC TURN DOWN IN 2008 SEACOAST BANK ENDED UP AS THE OWNER OF HARBOR WALK.
THE CITY HAD ALREADY OWNED A PORTION OF PAINT CREEK AND HAVE BEEN DOING THINGS IN THE AREA TO TRY AND RESTORE THE WATER. BUT WHEN THE PROPERTY WENT INTO FORECLOSURE IT JUST SO HAPPENED THAT THE COUNTY WAS DOING A HALF CENT SALES TAX REFERENDUM AND WHEN IT PASSED THE CITY UM, WANTED TO OBLIGATE ALL OF THAT HAVE SINCE MONEY. TO THE PURCHASE OF THE 52 ACRES OF THE HARBOR WALK PROJECT APPROACHED THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY AGREED TO DO IT JOINTLY BECAUSE THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. AND THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED. JOINTLY WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY. AS PART OF THE PROGRAM. UH COMMISSIONER CROSS COUGH HAD ASKED THAT THE CITY DONATE THE TWO ACRE FLAG PARCEL, WHICH WAS A PLANNED AND DRY INTO HANEY CREEK TO BE PUT INTO PRESERVE IN EXCHANGE FOR THE TWO ACRES THAT WERE RIGHT ON US ONE SO THAT THAT TWO ACRES COULD BE
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MARKETED. AND LAND LEASED TO GENERATE THE REVENUE TO PROVIDE A SOURCE TO MAINTAIN HANEY CREEK AS WELL AS PURSUE BOARDWALKS, ANOTHER NATURE PATHS AND EDUCATION OPPORTUNITIES. UM FOLLOWING THE PURCHASE OF IT, THE CITY HAD A REFERENCE HAD A CODE THAT SAYS THAT ANY WATERFRONT PROPERTY TO BE LEASED OR SOLD. AT LEAST FOR A LOT MORE THAN 10 YEARS OR SOLD REQUIRES A PUBLIC REFERENDUM. SO A PUBLIC REFERENDUM WAS DONE. UH IN WHICH THE CITY AGREED TO PUT THIS PROPERTY PROPERTY FOR LEASE ONLY NOT FOR SALE. AND NOT TO INCLUDE GAS STATIONS AND A COUPLE OF OTHER TYPES OF USES. THE OUTCOME OF THE, UM REFERENDUM WAS THAT, UM, THE CITY VOTED TO HAVE TO DO THAT. AND THEN UM, PERCENTAGE OF THE VOTE WAS 76% AND THEN AH. FOLLOWING THAT. THERE WAS A SIGN PUT UP THAT SAID AVAILABLE AND THERE WAS SOME STRATEGY THAT THAT IS THE WAY TO ATTRACT.PEOPLE. THEN LATER. IN 2014. I THINK THEY PUT A PHONE NUMBER ON THE SIGN. BUT THEY ALSO THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WAS. IT WAS TASKED WITH DOING KIND OF AN INTERNAL P U D OR DEVELOPMENT ORDER. SO TERRY O'NEILL ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. WENT THROUGH THE L P A OR DON'T HAVE A C R A L P A BUT WENT THROUGH THE ADVISORY BOARD AND HAD A PUBLIC HEARING GET FEEDBACK ON THE DIFFERENT USES SIZES. SETBACKS IMPACT ON ANY CREEK PROTECTIONS, ETCETERA.
AND THEN HAD TO PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH THE CITY COMMISSION AS WELL AND APPROVED A KIND OF A UP TO THIS MANY SQUARE FEET UP TO THIS BIG OF A FOOTPRINT UP TO THIS MANY PARKING SPACES. UM AUTOMATIC APPROVAL FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT THE NEED FOR ANY FURTHER PUBLIC HEARING FOR PEOPLE TO COME FORWARD. ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. A HOTEL CAME FORWARD. WE WENT THROUGH A LONG SERIES OF NEGOTIATIONS BACK AND FORTH. UM, THAT WAS QUITE INTERESTING. UM ULTIMATELY, THOUGH, THEY DECIDED AGAINST IT BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO OWN THE LAND AND BECAUSE AT THE TIME F DOT WAS REQUIRING THEM TO HAVE A DIESEL LANE AND MODIFY THE INTERSECTION. TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $750,000, WHICH THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE. MADE IT WORTH IT FOR THEM. THEY ULTIMATELY BUILT THAT NEW HOTEL DOWN BY CHECKERS IN SOUTH STEWART. IN ANY EVENT AFTER THAT ENDED UM, THE HOUSING SOLUTIONS CAME FORWARD AND START NEGOTIATING WITH THE CITY MANAGER. AND IT WASN'T A FORMAL THING. BUT THERE WAS DISCUSSION IN THE CITY COMMISSION AGREED THERE WAS SUCH A DEMAND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT THEY WOULD PUT IT INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. ULTIMATELY HOUSING SOLUTIONS CAME FORWARD WITH AN AGENDA ITEM IN THE CITY SIGNED A LETTER GIVING HOUSING SOLUTIONS ABOUT 18 MONTHS TO EITHER COME BACK AND DO THEIR OWN DESIGN PLAN OR GO OUT AND SHOP IT FOR ONE OF THOSE DEVELOPERS THAT DOES THE TAX CREDIT TYPE DEVELOPMENTS. THAT ACTUALLY EXPIRED LAST YEAR. UM IN OCTOBER. I BELIEVE IT WAS SO THEY DIDN'T COME. THEY DID NOT.
THE COMMISSION DID NOT MOVE FORWARD ON THAT WHICH MADE THE PROPERTY UNENCUMBERED AGAIN. AND UM, AS A RESULT, THE CITY RECEIVED THE UNSOLICITED OFFER FROM, UH, THE BROKER. UH, THE.
DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY DOCUMENT THAT WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY THAT CAN 14 OR 15 HAD AN EXPIRATION DATE ON IT OF 2019, SO IT WAS NO LONGER VALID. WHEN DAVID DAVIS SPOKE TO ME ABOUT IT , WE DISCUSSED IT AND SAID, WELL, WE JUST BRING THE OFFER FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DID. AND THEN DAVID'S LAST MEETING WAS WHEN THE UM, LETTER OF INTENT WAS TABLED. AND SO NOW WE COME BACK. AND. THE PROPOSAL OR THE LETTER OF INTENT IS ATTACHED TO THE LETTER OF INTENT IS NOT UH, BINDING ON US OR BINDING ON THEM . IF THERE ARE ANY, IF THE COMMISSION IS INCLINED TO PASS THIS UH, RESOLUTION AND DIRECT THE CITY TO NEGOTIATE WITH, AND THERE ARE PARTICULAR THINGS THAT THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE. UM, ARE INCLUDED, OR IF YOU THINK THE NUMBERS OR ANY OF THE DETAILS IN THE LETTER OF INTENT TO JUST COMPLETELY OUT OF WHACK , AND YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THEM, PLEASE PROVIDE ME ANY DIRECTION WHATSOEVER THAT YOU FEEL RELEVANT THERE. THE SUMMER. OKAY SO, MR MARTEL, THANK YOU. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, JUST
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SOME SO SINCE 2014 WHEN WE HAD THAT CPU D THAT HAD ALL THE USES THAT WERE APPROVED, AND THAT COULD BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY. OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT OKAY HOUSING SOLUTION THEIR THING EXPERT WAS IT NOW THAT UM, WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING. THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING WITH STAFF. OKAY, SO WELL FIRST, LET ME JUST GO BACK TO 16,014 THE CITY ENTERED INTO AT THE SAME TIME REDEVELOPMENT PROGRAM FOR THE TRIANGLE PROPERTY, WHICH BECAME A SYMBOL. AND UM, THE AZUL FOLKS WORKED HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY FOR A LAND LEASE AS WELL. THEY WERE UNABLE TO FIND ANY CONVENTIONAL FINANCING UNTIL 2017 WE FORGET ABOUT THE ECONOMY, BUT IN 2014, IT WAS A DIFFERENT PLACE. AND THEY BECAUSE IT WAS A LAND LEASE AND BECAUSE IT HAD THE DEED RESTRICTION ON IT, THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE NO SUPPORTING SUBORDINATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO FIND FINANCING. I THINK THE SAME THING PROBABLY TOOK PLACE. IT TAKES PLACE WITH THE TWO ACRE PARCEL. UM AS WE SIT HERE BECAUSE THE BANK CAN'T USE THE LAND. FOR SECURITY BECAUSE IT'S YOU KNOW, NOT AVAILABLE, AND AS A RESULT, THE VALUE OF THE CAR WASH HAS TO LITERALLY SUPPORT THE LOAN OR WHATEVER THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANT IS OR WHATEVER IT IS UNLESS THE APPLICANT IS COMING UP WITH SOME OTHER SOURCE OF PAYING CASH, SO IT'S NOT AS OPEN TO JUST A STRAIGHT ARMS LENGTH HERE. THIS IS FOR SALE TRANSACTION. AND IT'S ALSO NOT A PURE LAND LEASE. WHERE IF A. WENDY'S HAD BEEN THERE AND ALREADY EXISTED AND YOU WENT OUT TO RENT THAT OUT, AND THEY COULD MOVE IN TOMORROW WHEN THE UTILITIES ARE LOOKED UP AND IMPACT FEES ARE PAID AND EVERYTHING'S RUN. IT'S A DIFFERENT FORMULA WHEN IT'S A VACANT LAND, AND THEY HAVE TO RUN ELECTRIC RUN WATER RUN SEWER PAY IMPACT THESE PAID THE CLEARING AND COSTS PUT THE FILL IN MODIFY THE ROAD TO CONNECT IT. IT CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE, AND THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT, UM, DUE DILIGENCE. SITUATION INVOLVED IN IT. IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE. THE REASON THEY CANNOT JUST GO FORWARD IS NO MATTER WHAT, EVEN IF THEY EVEN IF IT WAS IN A ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ON THE LIST AS APPROVED. THE COMMISSION STILL WOULD NEED TO APPROVE THE TERMS OF THE LEASE BEFORE WE COULD ACCEPT A PERMIT OR EVEN ENTER INTO A LEASE. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THAT ACTUAL DOCUMENT STATED ITS TIMETABLE WAS 2019, AND I THINK THAT IT WAS A FIVE YEAR TIMETABLE DONE BY THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THEY RIGHTFULLY DIDN'T WANT TO BIND A FUTURE COMMISSION TWO TERMS OF A PRIOR COMMISSION OR WHAT THEY APPROVED OR DIDN'T APPROVE, AND THEY WANTED IT TO BE A SITUATION WHERE WHATEVER CAME FORWARD WHEN IT DID WOULD BE IN THE HANDS OF THOSE THAT WERE SITTING ON THE DIOCESE AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. THANK YOU. I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING OUT THAT. FIVE YEAR THING, MR MAYOR.I DON'T HAVE TOO MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. I'M JUST GOING TO ASK THEM AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE ANSWERED UNTIL OTHER PEOPLE DISCUSSING. I JUST I WANTED TO FIND OUT WHETHER FOR MORE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR OR WHOEVER IT WOULD BE. OR MAYBE EVEN IF IT'S A JODI QUESTION OR SOMETHING. IS I KNOW THAT WE DID SET OUT THAT POLICY TO HAVE THE TWO ACRE PARCEL TO BE THE FUNDING SOURCE TO HELP WITH THE HANDY CREEK MAINTENANCE AND SO ON, AND WE ARE SPENDING ABOUT 70 TO $80,000 OR $85,000 NOW ARE PROJECTED AS A STEADY ABOUT 85,000 YEAR. TO TRY TO KEEP UP WITH IT. AND I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. CAN WE DO WITHOUT THE FUNDS FROM THIS POTENTIAL LEASE AND STILL MAINTAIN AND KEEP CANEY CREEK IN GOOD CONDITION AS A WATERSHED AREA AND A CLEANING UP AREA WITHOUT AN AD IN THIS TWO ACRE IN TO SOME TYPE OF, UM TO THE WHOLE HANEY CREEKS IN THAT'S ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, AND THEN MY MAJOR QUESTION IS, IT'S KIND OF RELATED TO THAT IS, UM. I SEE US AS HAVING AN ISSUE. WE HAVE THE THING THAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY. AND WE CONTINUE. SO MY QUESTION IS LIKE SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO QUOTE UNQUOTE DEVELOPERS USUAL OR DEVELOP ACCORDING TO THE PLAN OR AMEND THAT PLAN IN SOME WAY TO ALLOW FOR SOMEBODY TO COME IN WITH A PROPOSAL TO US AND HELP THEM WITH THEIR DUE DILIGENCE OR GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME MORE DUE DILIGENCE IF THEY HAVE AN IDEA THAT WE MIGHT ENTERTAIN CONTINUING WITH THE COMMERCIAL USE, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS RELATED TO MY FIRST THING WAS
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THAT DO WE MAKE A CLEAN BREAK NOW AND SAY, LET'S WHATEVER IT IS, SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT ADD TO THE WATERSHED. AND WE DON'T NEED THE MONEY FROM THAT LEASE. UM AND DO WE DO WE DO THAT? AND MAYBE IT'S NOT AS CLEAR. MAYBE IT'S NOT. AS EASY AS AS THAT, BUT I MEAN, I'M SEEING THOSE TWO QUESTIONS. UM AND, UH, AND THAT THAT'S IT. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK , UM, I HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC. I HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT, UM, TRYING TO ADD THE TWO ACRES IN TO, UM, TO DO THAT. WOULD THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS AS A PART OF SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF A REFERENDUM IF WE CHANGE THAT NOW? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE JUST CHANGED NOW? RESOLUTION OR THAT SOMETHING ELSE LAST MEETING? I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT. JUST REFRESH ME AGAIN. YOU CAN GO BACK AND HAVE A ROUGHER RANDOM. YEAH YOU CAN PUT IT BACK TO THE VOTERS IF THEY WANT TO WITHDRAW IT. OR YOU COULD WAIT ANOTHER YEAR AND PUT IT BACK TO THE VOTERS THEN AS IT RELATES TO THE MONEY WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO FINISH STATION THREE. SO. THAT ALONE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH IT SOMEWHERE. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FINISH PHASE FOUR OF MEMORIAL PARK. SO WE CAN CUT THAT OUT, TOO. UM WE DON'T HAVE , UM, MONEY FOR TO KEEP UP WITH THE RAISES THAT THE COUNTY IS GIVING THEIR FIREFIGHTERS SO WE CAN CUT THOSE OUT. I MEAN, IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT THE COMMISSION APPROVES OR DOESN'T APPROVE IN THE BUDGET. FROM A STANDPOINT OF DOES THE CITY HAVE $85,000 TO PAY TOWARDS HANEY CREEK? THE ANSWER IS UNEQUIVOCALLY. YES I MEAN, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT THAT THERE'S 85,000 PAPER. ANY CREEK DOES THE CITY HAVE $100,000 A YEAR TIMES 40 YEARS WITHOUT EVEN DOING ANY INDEXING. I CAN TELL YOU IS OVER $4 MILLION, SO THERE'D BE $4 MILLION TAKEN OUT OF THE CITY'S MONEY OVER THE COURSE OF THIS YEAR OF THIS LEASE. OH, BEFORE MILLION DOLLARS, ISN'T THERE? WHAT WOULD YOU SPEND IT ON? MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY DIDN'T LIKE. OR MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THEY DID, BUT IT'S $4 MILLION.SO IF YOU DON'T PURSUE IT AND YOU PUT IT BACK IN ANY CREEK. IT'S NOT $4 MILLION. THANK YOUR HONOR. I MEAN, SORRY, I'M THAT. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD AND BUY SPARE WANTED TO ASK THE 7 11 WHEN UM.
WE PAID TO TEAR THAT DOWN, AND THEN WE DID WE LEAST THAT TO THE WE WORSHIP PERSON AND THEY BOUGHT IT. WE HAD LEASED IT TO 7 11. IN THE LEAST 7 11 HAD TO RESTORE IT TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION. WHEN WOW WENT IN 7 11 DID NOT RENEW THEIR LEASE AND AS A RESULT TOWARD DOWN THE 7 11 AND REMOVED THE TANKS AND EVERYTHING AND RESTORED IT TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION. WE THEN WENT OUT TO RFP AND THE CARWASH RESPONDED, AND WE ENTERED INTO A 20 OR 30 YEAR LAND LEASE WITH THE RFP. AND THEN THE CITY COMMISSION AT THE TIME HAD A DESIRE AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE WELLS FARGO OR WHAT IT WAS, BUT WANTED THE CASH FOR SOMETHING ELSE. AND AS A RESULT UM, AGREED TO ACCEPT AN OFFER FROM THEM TO SELL THE 7 11 AND TOOK THE CASH. AND I BELIEVE IT WAS ALL FARGO. BUT I DON'T I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE BUDGETING OF IT THAT AT THE TIME, BUT DID AGREE TO SELL IT. AND WELL, I'M ONE OF THOSE THAT DOESN'T BELIEVE WE NEED TO SELL IN. BUT WE GOT A GOOD DEAL LIKE THAT. I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T MIND. UM I AM FOR IT PEOPLE. LIKE I SAID THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, THIS IS WHAT THEY HAD VOTED ON. THIS IS, UH 78% THAT LAND WAS SET APART. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT LAND. IT'S THE HIGHEST PIECE OF PROPERTY ON THAT HIGHWAY. ANYBODY WOULD WANT IT. IN THIS FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SELECTIVE OF WHO WE PUT THERE . I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD THAT YOU NEGOTIATE THE BEST DEAL YOU CAN WITH THE CARWASH? YES.
IS THAT THE SAME CAR WASH. IT'S THE HIGHWAY OWNERS OFFENDERS ON A HIGHWAY REPRESENTATION OF FROM THE REAL ESTATE BROKERS THAT IT WAS THE SAME OWNERS. I HAVE NOT ACTUALLY MET WITH THEM, SO I CAN'T DO VERIFY IT. BUT I ASSUMING IT IS HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND. SECOND OKAY. WE HAVE A SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR BRUDER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RICHARD WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. MR COLLINS. THIS IS NOT WHAT RESIDENTS WANT AND. I KNOW WE'RE BRINGING UP
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THIS REFERENDUM, BUT THAT WAS 10 YEARS AGO. WE'VE DONE A LOT. THE CITY HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THE LAST 10 YEARS. UM AND FOR 10 YEARS WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT INCOME AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND WAYS TO MAKE IT WORK. LIKE I SAID LAST MEETING. MY OPINION IS THAT LANCE THAT LAND SHOULD BE A TRAILHEAD FOR HANDY CREEK THERE WITH PARKING, UM NOT A CAR WASH AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER BURNER, HE SAID, WOULD BE IN SELECTIVE BUT CAR WASH OR DEL TACO THAT IT SEEMS LIKE SUCH A MEME, SUCH A TRITE THING THAT THAT COULD BE IT'S SO FAR FROM SELECTIVE UM. IT'S NOT A POPULAR OPINION, BUT SPENDING LESS MONEY, YOU KNOW. WE ARE REORGANIZING. WE'RE UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT. MAYBE THERE IS OPPORTUNITY TO CUT A LITTLE BIT OF FAT TO RUN A LITTLE BIT LEANER. IT'S NOT POPULAR TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, BUT YOU KNOW $100,000 A YEAR, ONE JOB WITH LEGACY BENEFITS.BASICALLY, THAT'S ONE POSITION. AH! VERSUS THOSE TWO ACRES THAT COULD BE PARK THAT COULD SERVE.
OUR ENTIRE RESIDENT BASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE VALUE IS AT THAT LAND IS INCREDIBLY VALUABLE AND IT WILL BE WORTH SO MUCH MORE THAN $100,000 EVEN INDEX AT 10% EVERY FIVE YEARS. OVER THE NEXT 45 YEARS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING BUZZ SAWING THAT PARK. AND FOR 45 YEARS WITH CONTINUING OPTIONS AT FIVE YEARS , EACH TIMES NINE BASICALLY WHAT YOU KNOW, ALMOST 100 YEARS THAT LAND CAN BE LEASED AND BE CAR WASHED AT $100,000 A YEAR. THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE SUCH A BAD DEAL . I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH MONEY, BUT THERE HAS TO BE A MORE CREATIVE WAY WITH GRANTS . I MEAN, TURN JACKIE MAY LOSE, BUT THAT WOMAN FIND GRANTS AND SEE IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE. THIS SHOULD BE THE LAST RESORT. THIS SHOULD BE THE LAST THING WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IT, BECAUSE ONCE WE TURN THIS INTO CONCRETE, IT'S NOT GOING BACK. TO EVER POTENTIALLY BEING PARK.
SO WHY NOT EXHAUST EVERY OTHER OPTION FIRST? THAT'S WHAT RESIDENTS WANT. WE'VE MADE SO MANY LAND USE CHANGES AND ADDED. SO MUCH MORE DENSITY ON SO MANY DIFFERENT PARCELS THAT THERE SHOULD BE ADVIL ORUM THERE THAT WERE SWIMMING IN AND NOW THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING IN OVERTIME.
TO COVER THE DIFFERENCE OF THE $100,000. IF THERE ISN'T INCREASED BENEFIT TO WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, IT SHOULD BE THAT WE CAN SAVE PARCELS LIKE THIS BECAUSE THERE IS ADDITIONAL ADVIL ARM AND WE CAN I WOULD LIKE TO ADD. WE HAVEN'T PUT A PRICE ON IT.
100,000 IT'S PROBABLY BE A HECK OF A LOT MORE. IT'S THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE LEASE TERM. RIGHT NOW. THAT'S A LETTER OF INTENT. THAT IS NOT THE NEGOTIATED LEAST. SURE LIKE TOOK THE LETTER OF INTENT AND RAN THE NUMBERS. THAT'S WHERE THE SEVEN MILLION AT THE 5 TO 10% INDEX EVERY FIVE YEARS. FIRST THE NEXT WOULD BE 1 10 AND 1 21 THAN 1 33 THAN 1 46 , THE 1 61 AND 1 77. THEN 1 94 THAN TO 14 TO 35. SO THE ACTUAL ANNUAL RENT DURING THE TERM OF THE LEASE WOULD CLIMB TO $235,000.45 YEARS. HOW VALUABLE IS THAT PROPERTY GOING TO BE IN 45 YEARS? 45 YEARS, 160,000, THE CITY WOULD STILL OWN IT AT THE END. BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WHAT THAT VALUE WILL BE TO THE RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO USE ANY CREEK. IN MY OPINION . THIS SHOULD GO ON THE BALLOT, OBVIOUSLY NOT THIS YEAR BECAUSE THAT'S A BUNCH OF MONEY TO DO THAT. BUT IN 24, WE SHOULD TABLE THIS UNTIL 24 LET THIS GO ON THE BALLOT BECAUSE I CAN MY SPIDEY SENSES SAY YOU PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT, YOU SAY. WHAT'S THAT GREEN? PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT, AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO PROTECT THIS LAND AND HAVE IT BE INCORPORATED IN HANDY CREEK. AND AGAIN IF I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO LEVERAGE THE PREVIOUS REFERENDUM THAT HAPPENED, BUT THAT WAS 10 YEARS AGO, AND THE CITY WAS DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT. A AND IF IT WAS A YEAR AGO I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE MORE JUSTIFICATION TO GO THAT ROUTE. BUT AGAIN, IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO. GIVE RESIDENTS A CHANCE. NOW WITH THE CURRENT STATE OF THE CITY, THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENED AND LET THEM TELL YOU WHAT THEY WANT. UM, A VOTE? YES ON THIS TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION IS A VOTE TO STEAL THE OPPORTUNITY FROM RESIDENTS TO TELL YOU WHAT THEY WANT. DECADE LATER IT IS IT IS STEALING THE OPPORTUNITY OF RESIDENTS TO TELL YOU HOW THEY FEEL, 10 YEARS LATER AND DRAMATIC DEVELOPMENT LATER GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY NOW TO TELL YOU HOW THEY FEEL IF YOU'RE GOING TO QUOTE THEM FOR WHY YOU WANT TO DO THIS. WAIT PUT IT ON THE BALLOT IN 24 EXHAUST ALL OTHER OPTIONS. LIKE I SAID, I WANT THIS TO BE A TRAILHEAD. BUT WE SHOULD BE IN NO RUSH TO DO THIS. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE
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IF THERE'S GRANT MONEY AVAILABLE. IF THERE'S YOU KNOW WHAT CAN BE DONE FIRST BEFORE WE GO DOWN THIS ROUTE. WE'RE PAVING PARADISE AND MAKING IT ADULT TACO OR CAR WASH. IS NOT WHAT YOUR RESIDENTS WANT. PLEASE REPRESENT THEM. UM COMMISSIONER RICH. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? LET ME TRY PARK. HI, MY, UM. BEEN SOME MORE CHILDREN CAN. I WANTED TO ASK ONE OF YOUR STAFF MEMBERS OF QUESTION? MR. UM I THINK IT'S MR LEGGETT. IS CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? MR LEGGETT, PLEASE. I THINK IT'S YOU. I'M NOT SURE I'M PRETTY SURE WHEN WE HAD THE THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR LIGGETT. WE HAD THE DEDICATION UP THERE WITH MR CROSS GOLF. AND SO YOU OR YOUR YOU DO THAT HANEY CREEK AREA. I WANTED TO ASK YOU HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE ON THE SIDE THERE ALONG 707.NOWHERE LIKE WITH A LITTLE FENCES WHERE YOU KIND OF GOING THROUGH IT THERE ON THE NOD ON IT. WE'RE NOT ON US ONE. WE'RE ON A ONE A FOR WHERE WE GO INTO THE HANEY CREEK PRESERVE. WELL, THERE'S NO REAL PARKING PARK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. THERE. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YES SIR. EXCEPT THERE'S NO REAL PARKING GRASS. PULL OFF . THERE'S NO MARKED AREA. HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CARS CAN APPROXIMATELY HOLD THERE? NOT REALLY PAYING, THOUGH. 78 10.
MAYBE IT GOES UP TO WHERE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IS STARTING NOW . OKAY ALRIGHT. AND THEN WHAT ABOUT NUMBER OF VISITORS? DO WE KEEP TRACK OF WHO GOES IN AND OUT OF THERE AT HENIE CREEK AND HAVE AN IDEA OF AN AVERAGE? WE DON'T TRACK THAT SINS. GENERALLY. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, MR WELL, I CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE THIS WEEKEND TRAFFIC ALSO. WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S TRAVELING ON THE WEEKEND AND ALL THAT. WE DON'T KNOW THAT YOU GET LETTERS OR NOTES FROM PEOPLE THAT SAY WE CAME THERE. WE COULDN'T PARK WE CAN'T FIND THE PLACE. WE CAN'T. WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE NATURE BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET IN THERE. IT'S TOO CROWDED COMPLAINTS COMPLAINTS. THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE THE GRASS IS HIGH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT BLACK AND TELL EVERYBODY SHE'S STILL USING THE PARK AND ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH IT. SO IT'S PRETTY PASSIVE THEN.
YES. OKAY, UM. AND THE MAINTENANCE IS STILL ON THE AVERAGE OF THE 85,000. I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WE MAINTAIN ON A REGULAR BASIS. OKAY? UM ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MIS. THANK YOU FOR VERY MUCH. WHAT? WELL YOU'RE UP HERE, MILTON. COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE CONNECTION OF THAT PROPERTY WITH THE PROPERTY ON BAKER? IS THERE ANY WAS THAT ALL DONE AT THE SAME TIME? IT'S THE SAME. RESTORATION DIFFERENT. YEAH, THEY'RE MUCH DIFFERENT. OKAY SO I'M GOING TO JUST JUMP IN IF I CAN, UM OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. ALRIGHT. I WAS HERE BACK. AND WHEN WE DID THIS, AND WE TALKED TO. YOU KNOW, THIS WASN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, 10 YEARS ISN'T THAT LONG AGO? YOU KNOW, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT THAT LONG, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T SEE THE CITY IS CHANGING AS MUCH AS SOME PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK. I THINK THE CITY IS ACTUALLY A THRIVING , BEAUTIFUL, WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE. AND, UM YEAH, I MEAN, CHANGED OUR POPULATION DENSITY.
BUT LIKE 30 40% THAT'S NOT A DRAMATIC TO INTERRUPT ME, CHRIS . YOU'RE SAYING THINGS THAT ARE NOT TRUE? WHAT I'M SAYING? WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I LOVE OUR CITY. AND YOU APPARENTLY DON'T REALLY I DON'T LOVE OUR CITY. WELL THAT'S THE WAY IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T LIKE HOW IT'S EVOLVED , AND PLEASE DON'T INTERRUPT ME. LET ME FINISH. I DON'T INTERRUPT YOU PLEASE DO NOT INTERRUPT ME.
SO I SPENT SOME TIME TALKING WITH MULTIPLE PEOPLE OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS, AND I GUESS I GOT A RANGE OF THINGS. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I DID HEAR CLEARLY IS YOU KNOW THE CITY WHEN THE CITY MAKES PROMISES THAT PEOPLE EXPECT THAT ALSO, I WILL SAY THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE I SPOKE WITH AND I GOT DIFFERENT OPINIONS SAID ABSOLUTELY WE NEED TO KEEP OUR PROMISE OF WHAT THE REFERENDUM SAID WHAT WE SAID WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. AND THAT WE SHOULD DO THAT. IN FACT, JUST THIS MORNING, I SPENT AN HOUR HAVING COFFEE WITH A LIFELONG RESIDENT, MULTIPLE GENERATION RESIDENT OF STEWART AND SHE MADE IT VERY CLEAR. THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO SO I I'VE BEEN HEARING THIS FROM OTHER PEOPLE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN THE PROMISES THAT WE KEEP. AND SO I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH THIS. THERE IS A CHANGE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TWO UM, AS PUT INTO ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT, UH, ANYTHING WE PUT INTO FIRST NEGOTIATION IS THAT THE IF THEY WE DO NEGOTIATE A SUCCESSFUL RELEASE THAT THEY PAY FOR ANY
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INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT THE CITY. CASH OUT OF POCKET FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THE OTHER THING IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS THAT WE, UM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ABOUT THIS IS THAT THESE WE GO BACK IN AND WE PUT THESE THINGS BUT I'VE BEEN THROUGH WHEN THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE MONEY WHEN WE STARTED OUR BUDGET PROCESS AND MARCH BECAUSE WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HOW TO SKIM ANOTHER HALF MILLION OFF ANOTHER HALF MILLION, OFTEN ANOTHER HALF MILLION OFF. IT IS NOT AS EASY AS IT SOUNDS. AND WHEN YOU START AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, AND IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS KNOWN FOR, UH UP AND DOWNS IN REAL ESTATE MARKET AND WHEN THE REAL ESTATE MARKET WHEN THE REAL ESTATE VALUES GO DOWN THE WAY THE HOMESTEAD ESPECIALLY THE HOMESTEAD PROVISION WORKS IS THAT THE MOST IT CAN INCREASES 3% A YEAR SO IT CAN GO DOWN 25% OF ONE YEAR AND THEN IT TAKES ANOTHER 10 YEARS OR MORE TO GET IT BACK UP. AND WE SAW THAT HAPPEN AFTER 2008 LITERALLY. WE WENT FROM 2009 TO 2000. 22 I THINK BEFORE WE GOT TO THE SAME ADVIL OR, UM, UM, UM, THAT WE WERE GETTING IN 9, 4008 OR NINE, YOU KNOW, AND SO OH, BUT IN THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE WILL LEAD TO IF WE DON'T KEEP OUR PROMISES. THESE WILL LEAD TO OTHER, UM OTHER PEOPLE. OTHER COMMISSIONS, UH, BEING NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE PURCHASES OF THIS SORT OF OTHER HISTORIC BUILDING OR IT'S A PIECE OF CONSERVATION PROPERTY OR A PIECE OF FOR SOMETHING FOR STORMWATER BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE WE HAVE TO KEEP THE PROMISES. WE KEEP. SO THAT BEING SAID, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO TO GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT SOMETHING I'M GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT NOW. PLEASE COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. I'M GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING YOU CAN COME BACK AFTER I COME BACK WITH PUBLIC SO HIM AFTER I'M GOING TO CALL LAURIE D O B. THE PROMISE THAT WAS MADE WAS NOT THAT THAT WOULD BE COMMERCIAL. YES, IT WAS THAT WE WOULD TAKE CARE OF HANEY CREEK. THAT WAS THE PROMISE THAT WE MADE. IT WASN'T THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE BUS SOLVED. JUST TO BE TWO ACRES. THAT WAS THAT WAS WE MADE A PROMISE TO TAKE CARE OF HONEY CREEK, AND WE HAVE AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO KEEP THAT PROMISE. PROMISE WE HAD WAS THAT WE WOULD RELEASE THAT PROPERTY TO HELP PAY FOR IT TO OFFSET THE COST WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. THAT'S WHY THE COUNTY WENT THROUGH THAT REFERENDUM. SO GO AHEAD, MR YOBE. OKAY? LORD JO B . 29 FIFTIES SOUTHEAST OCEAN BOULEVARD STEWART, UM NUMBER ONE. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME BECAUSE HONESTLY, I JUST WANT TO SAY I WAS AT A MEETING LAST WEDNESDAY LAST WEDNESDAY OVER AT THE FLAGLER CENTER REGARDING, UM THE LIVE LOCAL ACT THAT HAS BEEN SIGNED AND WILL BE GOING INTO EFFECT IN JULY. COMMISSIONER RICH WAS THERE THE SOLE POINT MAYOR AND OCEAN BREEZE THERE WERE THERE. IT WAS INFORMATIVE. I WAS DISAPPOINTED. NUMBER ONE.UM ALL OF THE INFORMATION WAS GIVEN TO US, BUT IT WAS ALMOST FED IN THE PROSPECT OF WHAT WE THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO, AND THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING YOU CAN DO. AND IF YOU LAY DOWN AND DIE, WHATEVER IT IS WHETHER IT'S TO CHANGE SOMETHING YOU PROMISED 10 YEARS AGO, AND THE DYNAMICS OF STEWART HAVE CHANGED. AND MAYBE YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE NOW THINKING OF SOMETHING ELSE.
MAYBE PUTTING MORE LAND INTO THE PARK, SO IT ISN'T DEVELOPED UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT I WASN'T ABLE WELL TO FINISH MY COMMENT AND KNOW SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS WERE NOT ABLE TO FINISH THEIR COMMENT WAS MORE ABOUT KIND OF PEOPLE JUST GIVING THEIR VIEW AND NOT LETTING THE AUDIENCE SPEAK. SO I LEFT AFTER A POINT OF TIME. THERE WAS NO POINT FOR ME TO BE THERE. BUT THE REALITY IS YOU CAN ALL BANTER UP HERE. BUT STEWART IS NOT THE SAME. IT HAS CHANGED IN 10 YEARS. I'M NOT SURE WHO YOU'RE SPEAKING TO. I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THAT WOMAN IS, OR THAT MAN. I MEAN, MAYBE THEY DON'T REALIZE WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING THAT I CAME TO IS THAT THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL WAS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED TO PUT BACK INTO THE PARK SO IT COULDN'T BE DEVOURED BY SB ONE, OH, TO WHERE IT WOULD THEN BECOME PUBLIC HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR WHATEVER IT IS, THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, UM TOWN ADMINS WERE WORKING ON. WHAT DO WE DO? DO WE PUT OUT A REFERENDUM IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO DO? DO WE PUT A PROCESS IN FOR TO MY UNDERSTANDING? IT'S A THREE DAY WORKED AT THREE BUSINESS DAY RETURN ON A PERMIT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUY SOMETHING OR DEVELOP IT. THE CITY HAS THREE DAYS TO RESPOND BACK TO THEM. DO WE HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE THAT YOU KNOW? A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE JUST COOKIE CUTTERS. DO WE HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE? BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. IF WE DON'T GIVE THEM AN ANSWER IN THREE DAYS, THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY. SO I THINK WE NEED TO LISTEN TO ALL OF THE CONSTITUENTS IN STUART, I THINK THAT MAYBE YOU NEED TO BROADEN WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO, BECAUSE THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF MORE HOUSING, MORE BUILDING AND
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HONESTLY, WHEN YOU GUYS SAY THAT THE ROADS DON'T LOOK THAT BAD? I'M WONDERING. DO YOU GUYS DRIVE AROUND TOWN? DO YOU? WHAT DO YOU DO DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE HERE, MAYBE YOU NEED TO GET OUT IN THE CAR AND YOU NEED TO RIDE AROUND TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, ESPECIALLY AT 9 10 IN THE MORNING, ESPECIALLY FOUR IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN PEOPLE ARE LEAVING TO GO TO AND FROM WORK, GOING SHOPPING OR WHATEVER. ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. RATHER THAN SAYING, OH, WE HAVE SOMETHING ON IT. LET'S VOTE FOR IT. LET'S PUSH IT THROUGH. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT. IT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED. AND YOU NEED TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT. THAT IS IT FOR THE BENEFIT OF STEWART. THANK YOU.BREAKFAST. MARK BRETT WILL TWO OH EIGHT. SOUTHEAST OSCEOLA STREET. STUART, FLORIDA. FIRST OF ALL MY FIRST COMMENT IS THE CITY OWNS TOO MUCH PROPERTY. ANYWAY WE WERE IN THIS BUSINESS AND RELATIVE TO WHAT THE CITY MANAGER SAID. I THINK I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT CONVENIENCE STORE MONEY GOT ROLLED INTO A PURCHASE TO FLIP A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO A NEW HERB AND TO DEVELOP EAST OF THE WELLS FARGO PROPERTY. YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THAT PROPERTY WAS ACQUIRED. THROUGH THE L PA. BUT SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF CITIES BEING IN THE BUSINESS OF ACQUIRING PROPERTY AND COMPETING WITH WITH LANDOWNERS. HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT. THIS IS A DIFFERENT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND TRY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHEN TERMS OF THE LENGTH OF TIME AND ALL OF THAT AND THINGS, BUT I THINK THAT I WAS THERE WHEN THAT HAPPENED AS WELL, I BELIEVE AND SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS. AND YOU KNOW JEFF CROSS COUGH WAS A BIG FAN OF LEASING PROPERTY OUT AND MAKE IT YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THE INCOME COMING IN. BUT THERE'S TWO THINGS I WOULD SAY. FIRST OF ALL, SET A BILL ONE. OH TWO. THAT PROPERTIES COMMERCIAL THAT PROPERTY IS OPEN AND WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT. SECOND OF ALL , WHAT WAS DONE WITH HANEY CREEK IS AMAZING. MOST PEOPLE IT'S PASSIVE. IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE A PARK. IT'S JUST A PASSIVE PIECE OF PROPERTY TO WASH THAT. THAT WATER BEFORE IT GETS INTO THE RIVER. IT'S AN AMAZING PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE'VE DONE A GREAT THING WITH IT. I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT WE ALLOWED. WE ALLOWED DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH OF THAT THE POTENTIALLY COULD COULD IMPACT THAT. NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, AND WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY FOR HOUSING THAT IS ENVIRONMENTALLY IS OF ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND ENVIRONMENTALLY EFFICIENT AND SHOW WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IF WE'RE SUBSIDIZING, IN EFFECT , THE COST OF THAT LAND LEASE OVER SOME PERIOD OF TIME TO PRODUCE HOUSING THAT IS A SHOWCASE FOR WHAT CAN BE DONE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. THAT'S THE SPOT TO PUT IT ON. I THINK IT'S A PERFECT PARCEL. IT WOULD PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT OVER THERE WOULD PROVIDE A BUFFER FROM US ONE AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO. UM AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TO TURN THAT INTO SOMETHING THAT WE ALL WOULD LOVE AND IT WILL HELP PRESERVE HAITI CREEK. BECAUSE THAT THAT PROPERTY THERE THAT IS AN AMAZING PIECE OF PROPERTY AND ANYBODY WHO HASN'T SEEN IT SHOULD GO OUT THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT BECAUSE IT IS A TREMENDOUS PIECE OF PROPERTY. GAIL GOLDIE.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH LET YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS. OKAY AS I SAID BEFORE, AT THE LAST MEETING, I DO LIVE UP IN THAT AREA, AND I CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE THAT GREEN, BEAUTIFUL GREEN. HIGH GRASS TREES. WHATEVER IS THERE WHATEVER IS THERE CURRENTLY AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BE INCORPORATED INTO HANEY CREEK.
YOU HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS. UP THERE ON YOUR YES THAT WERE RECENTLY ELECTED AND I BELIEVE THEY WENT AND KNOCKED ON DOORS AND SPOKE TO AND I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER RICHES ALWAYS SAYING HOW MANY PEOPLE HE SPOKEN TO, AND COMMISSIONER COLLINS THE SAME THERE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GROWTH AND REALLY WANTED TO APPRECIATE AND HAVE MORE OF THE GREEN SPACE HERE. UM . COMMISSIONER BRUNER AT THE LAST MEETING. WE WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT KEEPING YOUR WORD TO THE VOTERS. VERY CONCERNED ABOUT KEEPING YOUR WORD TO THE VOTERS. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE VOTERS THAT VOTED FOR THE REFERENDUM TO UTILIZE THAT PROPERTY THE WAY IT IS WITH THE MONEY'S. BUT HOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE VOTERS? AND THIS WAS DONE NINE YEARS AGO, 10 YEARS AGO, THINGS HAVE CHANGED DRASTICALLY AND MUCH TO EVERYONE'S SURPRISE.
AH I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT REALLY HAS CHANGED DRASTICALLY AS ONE OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS SPOKEN, SAID THAT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC IS A BIG ISSUE AND THAT CORNER UP THERE.
I MEAN, RIGHT, COMING RIGHT OUT OF THE NORTH RIVER SHORE'S THERE AND GOING FORWARD NORTH AND LET
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ME REMIND ALL OF YOU THAT THERE IS A CAR WASH UP THERE BY THE WAY, THAT'S LESS THAN A MILE AWAY. SO THAT DO WE NEED ANOTHER CAR WASH JUST LIKE WE HAVE MORE AND MORE STORAGE SPACES. AND I'D LIKE TO LEAVE YOU WITH THIS. REMEMBER THIS WHEN IT COMES TO OUR ENVIRONMENT? EVERYONE IS TEMPORARY, AND EVERY LOSS IS PERMANENT, AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE THIS BE A PERMANENT LOSS.OKAY? THE PUBLIC COMPANY. BECAUSE RUDGE. I GO ABOUT HOW KAREN HALL 17. OH, ONE SOUTH WEST PALM CITY ROAD IS MY LEGAL HOMESTEAD. BURNER OKAY, SO FIRST OF ALL, I DO WANT TO COMMENT.
WE'RE TRYING TO BE UNITY. OKAY, SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL THE WAY YOU ARE SPEAKING TO ONE ANOTHER. OKAY? CERTAINLY THE MAYOR, YOU NEED TO KEEP IT PEACEFUL AND CALM AND YOU AND YOU DON'T TALK TO TREAT YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS LIKE THAT. I AGREE WITH WHAT THE OTHER SAID. AND I ALSO LAST MEETING, I SAID, AND I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS PROMISE.
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THE REFERENDUM ? IF THE PEOPLE VOTED THE FIRST TIME THEY'LL DO IT AGAIN. YOU'RE NOT NOT KEEPING YOUR PROMISE. YOU'RE JUST DOING IT AGAIN BECAUSE OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IN THE TRAFFIC. YOU YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET. A LOT OF THESE PLACES ALREADY FILLED WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE. SO WE HAVEN'T EVEN EXPERIENCED THE RESULT OF YOUR DECISIONS.
BUT THERE'S NOT. IT WON'T HURT ANYTHING. TO HAVE A REFERENDUM AND HAVE ALL THE PEOPLE AND LIKE I SAID, LAST TIME TO MAYBE SOME OF THE OLDER PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT TO BE A WHAT? THAT YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT MINDSET. NOW, WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT WITH COVID WITH THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO GO TO SPACES THAT ARE GREEN FOR OUR MENTAL HEALTH. THERE ARE MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS OUT THERE. I THINK WE ALL KNOW SO OUR RESIDENTS AND THROUGH THE YEARS WE'RE GOING TO NEED A PLACE TO GO AND WALK AND TAKE OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN FOR SOME SORT OF PEACE. AND SO THAT'S SORT OF WHEN WE LOOK DOWN THE ROAD THAT IS GOING TO BE A VERY VALUABLE PROPERTY, SO I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH DOING A REFERENDUM. YOU'RE NOT BREAKING A PROMISE. YOU'RE GIVING UP PERSON A CHANCE TO SAY, YEP, I STILL AGREE. LET'S YEAH, LET'S PUT A POPEYE'S ON THERE THANK YOU SAY WITH THESE REFERENDUMS. THE PEOPLE'S MORNING. PARDON OH, DURING THE ELECTION CYCLE THERE, MISS HELEN , I APOLOGIZE. OKAY IT'S JUST MAX. SO HAVING A PROBLEM WITH HELEN HELEN MCBRIDE FLAMINGO AVENUE. THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS HERE AT THE OTHER MEETING, AND I HAD TO GET A LAUGH OUT OF IT. I WAS AT THE CITY WHO ARE OUT IN FRONT MINISTER BUILDING WAS BEING BUILT. SO I'VE BEEN HERE MANY YEARS IN THE REGION I COME TO THESE MEETINGS IS BECAUSE I LOVE THIS CITY AND I KNOW OUR INPUT. I WAS HERE WHEN? MAYBE BACK THEN REMEMBER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? POLICE. WE, THE PEOPLE. NOT 10 YEARS AGO, BUT 50 YEARS AGO AND UP TO 10 YEARS AGO WERE HARD AND WE WERE WILLING TO UP OUR PROPERTY TAXES TO BUY LAND AND TO FIX EVERYTHING UP.
NOW THE NEW GOVERNMENT ARE COMING INTO TOWN, WAVING THEIR FLAG WITH ALL GREEN GREEN GREEN.
WELL, I WAS HERE WHEN WE BOUGHT HEINOUS CREEK AND REMEMBER THE TRANSFER OF THEIR TUESDAY ACRES OVER A MONTH USED TO BE INVOLVED LOBBYIST TO WORK UP THERE WITH THE PHONE COMPANY THAT WAS BEHIND THERE, AND THERE'S TWO ACRES AND IT IS FOR THE MONEY. THERE IS ALSO SAYING, WE'RE NOT SELLING THIS LAND. WE'RE GOING TO BE RELEASED IN THIS LAND AND IN 20 YEARS. AND YOU'RE STILL HERE. THEN YOU CAN HAVE YOUR REPRIMAND. UM AND SAY, OH, NO, WE HAVE TO HAVE GREEN AND WE CAN WRITE IT OUT JUST LIKE WE DID. AND WE GOT THE CAR WASHES NOW OVER IN CANADA. WE. IT UPSETS ME TO THINK PEOPLE. OH I'M MOVING TO TOWN WITH. REMEMBER PEGGY ROBERTS IS DEAD NOW, AND I FIRST STARTED GOING TO SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS, AND I DID LIKE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS ISN'T WHERE WE DID IT. THIS IS THE WAY YOU SHOULD DO IT AND SHE VERY NICELY SAID TO ME, THIS IS MCBRIDE. IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY, MAY I SUGGEST YOU JUST GO RIGHT BACK? TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM, AND I STARTED THANK YOU, PEGGY. YOU'RE RIGHT. I MOVED HERE. I SHOULD LEARN TO DO YOU WAY SHE SAID. YES. WE DON'T HAVE SNOW. OKAY SO THIS IS IT. YOU MOVED TO STUART. WE AND I LIKE TO SAY WE BECAUSE 50 YEARS I THINK I'VE HAD TO HELP HIM AND HELPING THIS CITY TO BE BUILT. AND CAPTAIN
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ADAMS USED TO WAVE A WHITE HANKIE IF YOU NEEDED A RIDE AND PICK HIM UP IN HIS CAR AND BRING HIM UP TO CONFUSION, CORNER DID IT BECAUSE THE KIDS IN THE CAR SAID YOU GOT TO STOP AND PICK HIM UP AND IT WAS. IT WAS AN OLDER MAN, AND I HAD THE KIDS, BUT I DID IT. SO THAT'S THAT'S IT. THERE'S A HISTORY HERE. YES MAYBE I REMEMBER. I WENT THROUGH WHEN MEETING SOME PEOPLE LIKE THEIR YARD ALL THE TREES AND THAT PERSONALLY, I LIKE JUST A GREEN GRASS, AND THAT'S IT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK. BUT. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. THE BUDGET THANK YOU BECAUSE I COME TO THE BUDGET MEETS TO BETTER IT'S JUST THAT THE HMM. WHAT WHAT THE REFERENDUM STANDS FOR THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE. THIS BUILDING HERE IS UNDER A REFERENDUM.CORRECT WE HAVE TO DO A REFERENDUM TO DO ANYTHING. YOU DO ANYTHING WITH THIS PROPERTY.
YOU WANT TO JUST TELL THOSE PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN'T IT'S JUST SO UNFAIR. BUT ANYWAY AND THEN I THINK YOU'RE ALL THAT. WHAT ARE THE MOST TAXES THAT COME INTO OUR TOWN IS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND THE VERY HIGH END PROPERTY. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TO BALANCE THINGS AND WE'RE UP HERE . I FEEL TONIGHT, AND IT'S TAKING CARE OF THE BUSINESS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE GO FORWARD AND WE STAY STRONG AND, UH, DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY. MARY, WOULD YOU GO AHEAD AND CALL THE QUESTION? OKAY? VICE MAYOR BRUNER YES, COMMISSIONER CLARK. UM YES, COMMISSIONER RICH. YES COLLINS. NO. MCDONALD'S YES. OKAY? I BELIEVE. THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGE
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.