Jun 06, 2023 Community Redevelopment Board

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OKAY. AFTERNOON CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER FORM, PLEASE COMPANY VITALITY. BOARD MEMBER HOTEL SKI BOARD MEMBER LUIS MEMBER MCCHRYSTAL MEMBER OWENS HERE. GROWTH OKAY, WE HAVE A QUORUM.

LET'S DO A PLEASURE ALLEGIANCE. BUDGET LEGIONS. THE UNITED STATES. AND SOONER REPUBLIC. TO JUSTICE. CAN I GET AN APPROVAL FOR THE MINUTES OF MOTION FOR THE MINUTES FROM LAST. I SECOND

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ALRIGHT. I COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. SEE NONE. CONTINENTS FROM THE BOARD ON AGENDA ISLANDS. SEE NONE. COULD WE GET AN APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, PLEASE? OH, SORRY. CAN I

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[2. A REQUEST FROM WILLIS CUSTOM YACHTS TO CONSIDER A SMALL-SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT (RC)]

OKAY, SO FINE. GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS CHRIS MCLEAN, PRINCIPAL PLANNER WITH THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. TONIGHT, I'LL BE PRESENTING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. FOR A SMALL SCALE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT. FROM INDUSTRIAL TO MARINE INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE FOR A PROJECT TO BE KNOWN AS WELL AS CUSTOM YACHTS. OKAY, THAT 1 51.

NORTHWEST FIVE. WHAT HAPPENED? SUBJECT PARCEL OUTLINED IN RED CONSISTS OF A 1.794 ACRE PARCEL OF LAND. OKAY THAT 1 51 NORTH WEST FLAGLER AVENUE. AND IT'S SITUATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF FLAGLER AVENUE, APPROXIMATELY 325 FT SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION. OF NORTHWEST FERN STREET AND NORTH WEST FLAGLER AVENUE. THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED IN THE SEVENTIES FOR MARINE FACILITIES. IN 2004, THE CITY COMMISSION GRANTED RESOLUTION 1 96-04. FOR A MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE AND MAJOR SITE PLAN FOR THE HARBORS DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS ALSO INCLUDED A DRY BOAT STORAGE USE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. IN 2018 , THE CITY COMMISSION GRANTED AN AMENDMENT TO THAT DEVELOPMENT ORDER. VIA RESOLUTION, 50-2018. AND THE 2018 RESOLUTION INCLUDED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, WHICH ALLOWED FOR THE OWNER OF THIS PARCEL. TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS WITHOUT HAVING, UM THE JOINERS OF THE OTHER PARCELS WITHIN THE HARVARD DEVELOPMENT.

THE PREVIOUS USE WITHIN THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY WAS FOR PALM CITY YACHTS, WHICH WAS DEMOLISHED IN 22,021. SUBJECT PROPERTIES CURRENTLY DESIGNATED BY THE AMERICAN FUTURE LAND USE AND ACCORDING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE INDUSTRIAL LAND USE ALLOWS FOR ACTIVITIES PREDOMINANTLY CONNECTED WITH MANUFACTURING ASSEMBLY. PROCESS PROCESSING, PACKAGING, RESEARCH OR STORAGE OF PRODUCTS. ON ADDITIONAL PERMITTED USES IN SUCH AREAS INCLUDE WAREHOUSING, WHOLESALE ACTIVITIES, MARINE MACHINE REPAIRED AND INDOOR LIMITED RETAIL SALES AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES. ALSO PUBLIC FACILITIES AND ELECTRONIC DISTRIBUTIONS.

SUB CENTERS ARE ALLOWED. THE PETITION PROPOSES TO RE DESIGNATE THE LAND UNDER THE MARINE INDUSTRIAL FUTURE. LAND USE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESCRIBES THIS LAND USE AS A WATERFRONT DISTRICT, WHICH PERMITS THE CONTINUATION. INDUSTRIAL MARINE USES WHILE ENCOURAGING MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL OFFICE. LODGING, MARINAS AND CIVIC USES. PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE, THE LAND USE AMENDMENT SHALL BE BASED UPON THE FOLLOWING ANALYSIS. THE AVAILABILITY OF FACILITIES AND SERVICES. THE SUITABILITY OF A PLAN AMENDMENT FOR ITS PROPOSED USE, CONSIDERING THE CHARACTER OF THE UNDEVELOPED LAND. SOMEONE ELSE TOPOGRAPHY, NATURAL RESOURCES AND HISTORIC RESEARCH RESOURCES ON THE SITE. AND THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF LAND NEEDED TO ACHIEVE GOALS AND REQUIREMENTS OF THIS SECTION. WHEN REVIEWING THE PROPOSAL STAFF ANALYZED THE FOLLOWING DATA. UH TOPOGRAPHY,

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THE HEART BRIDGE IS ON THE NORTH SIDE. CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. WHAT IS EXACTLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE. SO THE SOUTH SIDE IS CURRENTLY APPROVED FOR THE ATLANTIC. MARINA ATLANTIC POINT MARINA. THAT'S THE RESTAURANT BOAT STORAGE. DOCKS. THAT WAS JUST APPROVED. I BELIEVE 2021 THE LIGHTHOUSE. CORRECT CORRECT THE LIFE OUT OF LIFE. OKAY SO I WENT THERE THIS MORNING AND I HAD A CERTAIN CERTAIN IDEA ABOUT WHAT I THOUGHT. WOULD HAPPEN OR SHOULD HAPPEN, AND I GOT THERE AND IT'S TOTALLY BECAME NEUTRAL. BUT ONE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS MAYBE THE WRONG TIME TO ASK THIS, BUT THE ENTRY. THE ONLY WAY TO GET THERE NOW IS THE HEART BRIDGE ENTRANCE AND YOU TAKE A RIGHT AND HEAD DOWN THAT AUXILIARY ROAD IN FRONT OF IT EITHER DOWN THROUGH ALICE AT THE NORTH ENTRANCE OF THE SITE. THERE IS AN ENTRANCE THERE AND THEN THERE'S FERN STREET, WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF THIS SITE. ALICE IS ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE RIVER. IT'S AT THE END OF FLAGLER. IT TURNS INTO ALICE AT THE STOP SIGN IT. THEN BECOMES ALICE STREET, SO THAT ENTRANCE INTO THE HARBOR BRIDGE IS NOT GOING TO BE THE ONLY ENTRANCE THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR THIS.

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OKAY AND AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OWNER. WHY WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE BENEFIT? OKAY. VERY GOOD. OKAY, THANK YOU. NOTHING ELSE. OKAY. YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR CASE? THANKS GOOD AFTERNOON BOARD MEMBERS. MATTHEW BARNES, PROJECT MANAGER. W G. THIS WAS AN APPLICANT. INITIATED FUTURE LAND USE MADAM MEMBER NOT A NOT A REZONING. AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW THAT NOT THE CURRENT STAFF. I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES STAFF, BUT WHEN WE FIRST CAME TO THE CITY A YEAR AGO, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO CHANGE THIS FROM INDUSTRIAL TO A MARINE INDUSTRIAL AH, THIS ACTUALLY MATCHES UP WITH THE ZONING. BETTER LIKE IT'S URBAN WATERFRONT SO TOO THE THERE'S A TABLE IN YOUR CODE OF ORDINANCES IT SAYS WHICH FUTURE LAND USE DISTRICTS IMPLEMENT WHICH DISTRICT SO THIS IS URBAN WATERFRONT, SO THEREFORE IT SHOULD BE MARINE INDUSTRIAL JUST BUT IT'S LEFTOVER SORT OF INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION SO IT DOESN'T EVEN THOUGH IT OPENS THE DOOR. IN THEORY FOR RESIDENTIAL USES, AS YOU'VE HEARD. THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY FOR RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE OF THE HEART BRIDGE, P U D THAT'S IN PLACE AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING RESIDENTIAL. IT'S NOT OUR YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT APPLICATION EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE

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YES CAMPENNI? YES, REMEMBER? LOUIS YES. MCCHRYSTAL REMEMBER? OWENS YES. OKAY PASSES

[3. APPLICATION TO GRANT A MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE TO WILLIS CUSTOM YACHTS (RC)]

EXISTING MARINE INDUSTRIAL USES ARE CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED THROUGH A MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL GRANTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION. PARCELS DESIGNATED BY THE INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE, WHICH ALLOWS FOR MANUFACTURING ASSEMBLY PROCESSING. PACKAGING RESEARCH.

STORAGE OF PRODUCTS, WAREHOUSING WHOLESALE ACTIVITY. MACHINE REPAIR AND LIMITED OUTDOOR OR LIMITED INDOOR RETAIL SALES AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES. IN ADDITION TO THE PROPOSED MAJOR URBAN CODE, CONDITIONAL USE PETITION, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN CURRENTLY SUBMITTED A SMALL SCALE COM PLAN WHICH YOU ALL JUST VOTED ON, UM AND PROVIDE FOR THE CONTINUATION OF INDUSTRIAL MARINE USES, WHILE ENCOURAGING MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. IN 2004. THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVED RESOLUTION 1 96-04 GRANTED A MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE AND MAJOR SITE PLAN. FOR THE PROJECT, KNOWN AS THE HARVARD DEVELOPMENT, FORMERLY KNOWN AS NORTH SIDE

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ADJACENT TO ALICE STREET. A NEW PARKING ALLOCATION PLAN. ALTERING OF THE PROJECTS LANDSCAPE PLAN. THE DESIGNATION OF BOAT SLIPS FOR INTENSIVE LIVING BOARD YEARS. UM AND AVOIDING A REQUIREMENT TO BUILD A NEW PARKING STRUCTURE. ACCORDING TO THIS RESOLUTION.

THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL WAS INCLUDED, WHICH ALLOWS THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER FOR THE RESPECTIVE PARCEL PARCEL WITHOUT THE JOINER OF OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE HARBOR RIDGE DEVELOPMENT. ACCORDING TO THE ACTIVE APPROVAL GRANTED BY THIS RESOLUTION, 50-2018 THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS APPROVED FOR TO ALLOW FOR AN APPROXIMATE 30,000 SQUARE FOOT. 45 FT TALL, DRY BOAT BOAT STORAGE FACILITY AND SHOWROOM WITH ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS. THE SUBJECT PARCEL WAS PURCHASED BY THE APPLICANT IN 2019 TO SERVE AS A SALES AND SERVICE FACILITY FOR WELLS CUSTOM YACHTS. PROPOSED MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONALLY USE PETITION WOULD ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN 18,247 SQUARE FOOT SALES AND SERVICE FACILITIES TO SUPPORT THE COMPANY'S OFFSITE BUILDING OPERATION. WHICH IS LOCATED IN SOUTH MARTIN COUNTY, ADJACENT TO THE SOUTH FORK RIVER. AND INTERSTATE 95 BY JACK JAMES ROAD. ASSOCIATED SITE. IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE OFF STREET PARKING, LOADING DOCKS AND BOAT LIFT SCREEN REFUSE COLLECTION AREA. STORMWATER TREATMENT AREAS. AND LANDSCAPING. THE PLAN IDENTIFIES SINGLE SITE ACCESS ALONG NORTH WEST FLAGLER AVENUE, JUST NORTH OF THE BUILDING. IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 30106 OF THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE . A MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE MAY PROVIDE RELIEF FROM CERTAIN PROVISIONS WITHIN THE URBAN CODE. INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE DENSITY PERMITTED USES SETBACKS. LOCATION OF PARKING LOCATION OF THE BUILDINGS OR STRUCTURES. THE NUMBER OF STORIES OR THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND OUR ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS. SO THE APPLICANTS SEEKING THE CONDITIONAL USE, UM RELIEF FROM THE FOLLOWING URBAN CODE REQUIREMENTS. ONE IS TO ALLOW FOR BOAT SALES AND SERVICE WITHIN THE HARVARD DEVELOPMENT. TO PROVIDE RELIEF FROM THE SHORELINE PROTECTION ZONE. TO PROVIDE RELIEF FROM CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, INCLUDING TO ALLOW A 6 FT TALL FENCE WITHIN THE FRONT YARD, AS WELL AS WITHIN THE MINIMUM REQUIRED FRONT YARD SETBACK. UM RELIEF FROM REQUIRING BALCONIES AND RAILS ALONG THE WATERFRONT.

UM TO ALLOW A PARAPET WALL OVER 24 INCHES IN HEIGHT. AND TO ALLOW MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 45 FT. ACCORDING TO THE URBAN CODE DISTRICT USES RETAIL SALES AND SERVICE WITHIN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING IS IDENTIFIED AS A PERMITTED USE WITHIN THE URBAN WATERFRONT ZONING DISTRICT.

ADDITIONALLY THE URBAN CODE ALLOWS FOR THE CONTINUATION OF EXISTING MARINE INDUSTRIAL USES TO BE RECONSTRUCTED WITHIN THEIR EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINTS. BUT ANY REVISION OR EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT OR PERMITTED USE MUST BE APPROVED THROUGH A MAJOR URBAN CODE.

CONDITIONAL USE. BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS SITUATED ADJACENT TO THE ST LUCIE RIVER WATERWAY.

CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN THE MINIMUM REQUIRED 10 FT WIDE SHORELINE PROTECTION ZONE, WHICH IS DENOTED IN BLUE THERE. IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 50602 OF THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE FOLLOWING TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THAT ZONE. IT INCLUDES DOCKS, MARINAS ARE WALKS PERMITTED. BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA. STORM WATER RETENTION AREAS, LANDSCAPING, BULKHEADS AND SEAWALLS RIP RAP. AN UNPAVED STABILIZED PARKING AREAS. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING RELIEF FROM THIS PROVISION TO ALLOW FOR

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YOU DON'T HAVE QUITE THE DIAGRAM IS BASICALLY A LIP ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO HIDE THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT. SO IT'S THE PARAPET, SO THE ROOF IS HERE. THEN THERE'S ANOTHER FACADE WALL. AND THEN IT KIND OF WHEN YOU COME OVER THE ROOF. IT DROPS DOWN LIKE MICHAEL, LOOK AT THIS. THIS PERFECT EXAMPLE. OKAY SO THIS WOULD BE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING HIGHER TO SHOW UTILITIES. CORRECT? YES SO IT'S I THINK, AND I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER. I THINK, UM MATTHEW WOULD HAVE THAT NUMBER, BUT THE PARAPET WALL IS JUST A LITTLE OVER 24 INCHES, OR 2 FT.

HOSTILITIES FOR AN AESTHETIC? YES, CORRECT ON BOARD. I DO. UH, LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT NICK.

CONNECT YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. SO I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE. THE ASPHALT ON THE SOUTH, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHERE THE YOU KNOW WHERE THE. THE LEFT TRAVELER SLIP IS WHAT? WHAT'S THE YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING NORTH OF THAT IS THAT JUST BULKHEAD AND PAVEMENT UH UM. SO YES. SO LET ME GO TO THIS MAP RIGHT HERE. SORRY NOW THE ONLY THING ALSO RECOGNIZE LIKE I WAS

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THIS IS FOR SALES AND SERVICE. THEY HAVE A ABSOLUTELY NO, UH, EPOXY FUMES AND NO FIBERGLASS DUST. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. UH, STORMWATER. HMM. JUST FIND THAT TO ME BECAUSE YOU BRIEFLY MENTIONED IT IS DEVELOPED CONTAIN IT ALL ON SITE. HAS IT GOING TO GO GET IT OFF? I BELIEVE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO BE STORED ON SITE BEFORE IT EXITS THE SITE AND ENTERS THE STORM WATER SYSTEM. THEY HAVE STORMWATER RETENTION ON THE US SIDE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND ON THE NORTH ADJACENT TO THE PARKING HMM. HOW IS THAT GOING TO YOU KNOW WHAT TYPE OF SYSTEM IS IT? SO IT'S I'M GONNA LET THE APPLICANT TALK TO THAT MORGUE WITH THE ENGINEERS. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE REVIEWED UNDER OUR SITE PERMIT, WHICH GOES THROUGH OUR OUR OUTSIDE CONSULTANT FOR ENGINEERING. I BELIEVE WE USE CAP TECH REVIEW THOSE APPLICATIONS BECAUSE HE'S RIGHT THERE. HE'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. UM BUT YEAH, SO IN THIS IN THIS PLAN, WE'VE WE'VE REVIEWED A PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING DRAWINGS THROUGH OUR CONSULTANT, AND THEY HAVE PASSED THOSE ENGINEERED DRAWINGS. BUT DURING THE SITE PERMIT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT FULL ENGINEERED DRAWINGS FOR ALL SITE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH INCLUDES THE STORM WATER RETENTION AREAS. ALRIGHT, APPLICANTS UP. ALRIGHT AGAIN FOR THE RECORD MATTHEW BARNES WITH W G I WE ARE THE COMPANY THAT PREPARED ALL THE PLANS AND SOME OF THE SO YEAH. CHRIS DID A GREAT JOB. I DON'T NEED TO PRESENT BUT I'LL DO VERY QUICK PRISON PIECE. UM. JUST ONE THING ABOUT WILLIS CUSTOM YACHTS IS THAT YOU KNOW THEY JUST ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO IN MAY OF 2021, THEY PURCHASED THE AMERICAN CUSTOM YACHTS SITE OVER THERE BETWEEN 95 AND THE TURNPIKE. ON JACK JAMES DRIVE. AND. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE YOU'VE YOU'VE DRIVEN BY THERE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. YOU'VE SEEN HOW RAPIDLY IT'S IMPROVED. IT USED TO BE ABOUT GRAVEYARD AS YOU MIGHT CALL IT NOW IT'S CLEANED UP. WE JUST SECURED APPROVAL FROM MARTIN COUNTY ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO AT THE END OF LAST YEAR FOR NO MASTER PLAN AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR SOME IMPROVEMENTS THERE, ESPECIALLY ON STARTING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RIVER THERE, WHERE THEIR CURRENT CAMPUSES. UM BUT WILLIS CUSTOM YACHTS IS A IT'S A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN MARK WILLIS AND BROOKE SMITH. THEY REALLY, UM THEY HAVE A VISION FOR MAKING WILLIS GO SOMEBODY ELSE. THE PREMIER YOU KNOW, UM, BOAT BUILDER AND UNITED STATES AND THEY WANT TO DO IT RIGHT HERE IN MARTIN COUNTY AND STEWART. UM THAT'S ANTICIPATED THIS SITE. THIS THIS BUILDING WILL CREATE APPROXIMATELY 25 JOBS. AND THAT THE BUSINESS HOURS ARE GOING TO BE NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. 7 A.M. TO 4:30 P.M. IT WILL BE CLOSED AND LOCKED UP AFTER HOURS. UM AGAIN, THE OTHER SITE. YOU ALL KNOW WHERE IT IS, BUT IT'S BASICALLY UP RIVER FROM HERE. UM

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IT'S IS MORE INDUSTRIAL IN NATURE. YOU CAN'T PUT BALCONIES ON A BUILDING LIKE THIS, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE EXAMPLES OF THE THINGS WE'RE GETTING COVID RELIEF FROM AND THEN YOU KNOW, THERE'S YOUR CODE HAS A LOT OF CRITERIA. THEY HAVE TO MEET ESTABLISHED THAT YOU'VE, UM YOU SHOULD BE GRANTED THE RELIEF. I WON'T GO THROUGH. ALL OF THESE IN DETAIL. I MEAN, I'LL JUST SAY THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED A LOT OF PAPERWORK. TO YOUR STAFF AND YOUR STAFF HAS REVIEWED HIM AND HAS AGREED WITH OUR ASSERTION THAT THE RELIEF IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE URBAN CODE. CONDITIONAL USE. UM THIS WAS YOU KNOW, THIS WAS ALSO SHOWN BEFORE BY CHRIS. THIS IS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN. UM AGAIN, IT TOOK UP APPROXIMATELY 50% OF THE UPLAND SITE. IT WAS A BIGGER BUILDING 30,000 SQUARE FEET. IT WAS CLOSER TO THE HARBOR BRIDGE EXISTING BUILDING BUILDING NUMBER EIGHT. THAT'S TO OUR IMMEDIATE NORTH. UM THIS BUILDING WOULD HAVE REQUIRED 44 REQUIRED PARKING SPACES, WHEREAS OURS IS 14. UM THEY COULDN'T FIT ALL 44 SPACES ON THE SITE, SO THEY HAD TO USE 19 OF THE SPACES AND FLAGLER DRIVE TO MEET THEIR REQUIRED PARKING. AND EVEN THE 25 SPACES THAT WERE ON SITE. ACTUALLY THE NORTHERN ROW OF PARKING ENCROACHED PAST. THE COMMON PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THIS SITE AND THE EXISTING BUILDING TO THE NORTH. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT, LIKE THEY'RE LITERALLY NO ROOM FOR A LANDSCAPE BUFFER BETWEEN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AND WHAT THIS BUILDING WOULD HAVE BEEN. WHEREAS IN OUR SITE, WHICH YOU'VE SEEN, AND I'LL SHOW YOU AGAIN. THERE'S A 25 FT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER. AND THEN THE PREVIOUS USE OF THE SITE. THAT WAS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, APPROVED BUT NEVER BUILT THE PREVIOUS USE OF THE SITE THAT BUILDING THAT RIGHT THERE. IT WAS ONLY 16 FT, AWAY FROM THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE AND RIGHT ON THE WATER AS WELL TO THE EAST. AND THIS IS THE IMAGE THAT YOU SAW EARLIER. I MEAN, THAT WAS NOT NOT A PRETTY BUILDING TO LOOK AT. YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE LIVING IN THE HEART BRIDGE, CERTAINLY, AND IT'S IT CERTAINLY WENT RIGHT UP TO THE TO THE WATERFRONT LINE. AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE FROM FLAGLER. THERE WAS A THIRD BUILDING. IF YOU CAN CALL IT A BUILDING. IT WAS KIND OF OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU SEE OPEN ON TWO SIDES, BUT IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE AND THEN THAT PREVIOUS BUILDING YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACKGROUND ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE HARBOR BRIDGE CONDOMINIUM BUILDING THERE. SO YOU'VE SEEN THIS SITE PLAN BEFORE? I'LL JUST GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM AS CHRIS MENTIONED, WE ARE EXTENDING THE SIDEWALK. CURRENTLY THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HARVARD CONDOMINIUM THAT IT'S KIND OF DEAD ENDS THAT THEIR SOUTHEAST CORNER WE'RE GONNA CONNECT TO THAT TO THEIR WHERE THEY END EXTENDED THROUGH THE NORTHERN PART OF OUR SITE THROUGH THE NORTHERN LANDSCAPE BUFFER. OUT TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY OF FLAGLER AVENUE AND THEN HEAD SOUTH, WHICH IS WHERE, BY THE WAY, THE ATLANTIC POINT, MARINA.

BRINGS THEIR SIDEWALK UP FROM THEIR SIDE, SO IT'S GOING TO CONNECT. THE ENTIRE FRONT AND CHALONG HERE. IT'S RIGHT NOW. IT'S A MISSING LINK. IF YOU WILL. UM THERE IS A ROW OF MATURE PALMS LIKE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE THAT ARE LIKE, LET'S SAY 25 TO 35 FT. TALL.

WE'RE GOING TO PRESERVE THOSE SO TO MAINTAIN THE THICK LANDSCAPE BUFFER. THAT'S THERE. NOW, IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING UM MORE LANDSCAPING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT, SO WE'LL BRING BASICALLY WE'LL BRING THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE EUREKA PALMS, IF YOU WILL, AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE ANOTHER. LAYER OF LANDSCAPE OFFERING. AND THEN THOSE TREES THAT YOU SEE THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT NOW IS WHERE ONE OF THE TWO STORMWATER DETENTION AREAS IS. AS CHRIS SAID THAT THE OTHER DETENTION AREAS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE

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THE ATLANTIC POINT MARINA TO OUR SOUTH IS TECHNICALLY, 45 FT AND EITHER THEY HAVE, LIKE 15 MORE FEET OF. HI THAT THEY GOT. SO, UM. AND THIS IS THE RENDERING FROM THE NORTHEAST CORNER AS IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE SITE BASICALLY. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BIG BAY DOORS OPEN TOWARDS THE WATER, OBVIOUSLY. SO WHEN WE TAKE THE WHEN WILLIS TAKES THE BOATS OUT OF THE WATER, THEY CAN MANEUVER THEM INTO THE BUILDING, AND THAT'S WHERE THE REPAIRS WOULD TAKE PLACE. ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. THE FIRST FLOOR IS THE MAINTENANCE PORTION WHERE LIKE THE YOU KNOW ALL THE ALL THE TOOLS ARE THE MACHINE TOOLS WERE THINGS CAN BE FABRICATED. UM AND THEN ON THE SECOND FLOOR IS THE SALES OFFICE. AND THEN THIS IS THE SNEAK PEEK. I TOLD YOU ABOUT. SO THAT MIDDLE PANEL THIS IS THE YOU KNOW, WEST FACING FACADE. I THINK WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUR PLANS, MONTHS AND MONTHS AGO, IT HAD THE BOAT THAT YOU SAW JUST AS A PLACEHOLDER FOR SOME PUBLIC ART THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. THIS WAS THIS WAS ACTUALLY THE PROPOSED. PUBLIC ART THAT WE WOULD DO WELL, WE'VE COMMISSIONED LOCAL ARTISTS, UM CASEY SCOTT. IT ACTUALLY DID DID SOME OF THE PUBLIC ART FOR THE ATLANTIC POINT MARINA PROJECT AS WELL? WE CAN GET INTO MORE DETAILS ON THAT ONE THAT COMES BACK TO YOU IN A FEW MONTHS, BUT THIS IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM AND THAT THAT REALLY CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OPERATION OF THIS, I CAN QUESTIONS FOR THE ADVOCATE. YES, SIR. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST RENDERING THE FIRST VERY FIRST ONE? HAS SHOWED IT FROM YES. YES, SIR. UH, SO ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HARBORING, THERE'S YOUR AS YOUR PROPOSED, UH, BUILDINGS. AND TO THE LEFT. IS THAT REPRESENTATIVE WHICH WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE IN THE FUTURE? OR THAT WAS THAT'S NOT WHAT'S THERE NOW THERE'S NOTHING THERE NOW. CORRECT RIGHT? SO THERE'S NOTHING THERE NOW BECAUSE THEY'VE DEMOLISHED IT.

BUT THAT WAS PREVIOUS. OH THAT'S OKAY. THAT WAS TAKEN THAT PHOTOGRAPH, SO THIS WOULD BE A GOOD GOOD GOOD CHANCE TO ANSWERED. WHAT WHAT I HAVE IN MIND SO THE INTENSITY OR HEIGHT OR SIZE OF WHAT'S APPROVED TO YOUR NORTH. SO IF THAT WAS THERE IS WOULD THIS WOULD YOURS BE CONSIDERED A GOOD BUFFER BETWEEN HARBOR RIDGE. ANY MORE INTENSE OR OR OR MORE HIRED. IS THERE GOING TO BE MORE BUILDING? TO YOUR NORTH AND YOU HAVE OR WILL BE ABOUT THE SAME. UM NO, I THINK IT'S THAT'S A FAIR CHARACTERIZATION. THE ATLANTA POINT. MARINA BUILDINGS ARE TALLER, AND THEY'RE ALSO I WOULD SAY I MEAN THE ONES THAT ARE PROPOSED PROPOSED ON YOUR ON YOUR NORTH SIDE. OKAY GOOD. UH NO. ELEANOR SOUTHSIDE SOUTHSIDE . I'M SORRY. YES, YES, THE LEFT HERE. THEY'RE TALLER, AND THEN IT'S ACTUALLY IT'S OBVIOUSLY IT'S A BIGGER PIECE OF LAND, SO THEY HAVE MORE ROOM TO DO MORE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE A IT WILL BE MORE OF AN ACTIVE MARINA, AND ALSO THEY HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL RETAIL RIGHT AND RESTAURANTS, SO IT'LL JUST BE MORE NOW. WHERE WHERE IS YOUR ACCESS GONNA BE? THAT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO NOT USE THIS ACCESS POINT IN

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AND I SEE A LOT OF. IMPERVIOUS AND I MEAN AND I KNOW YOU CAN DIG. TRENCHES AND PUT WHAT ARE THEY? CYPRUS TREES EVERYWHERE TO SUCK UP THE WATER. BUT JUST FROM A COMMON SENSE. LOOK AT IT FROM THE SKY. YEAH THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS AND A VERY LITTLE BIT OF GREEN HERE.

SO MY NEXT LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION. CAN YOU TELL ME? WHY WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE REASONS WHY YOU COULDN'T USE SOME PERVIOUS CONCRETE SOMEWHERE, FOR INSTANCE, YOUR YOUR CAR PARKING RIGHT THERE IS THERE IS IT BECAUSE THEY EITHER BE TOO MUCH WEIGHT COMING IN THROUGH THERE WITH WITH YOUR BOATS OR AGAIN. TELL ME WHY. PERVIOUS CONCRETE WOULD BE OUT OF THE QUESTION HERE. UM I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S OUT OF THE QUESTION. IT'S JUST WHEN WE RAN THE CALCULATIONS ON WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED IT WASN'T NECESSARY. AND PERVIOUS CONCRETE IS STILL LIKE FROM THE YOU KNOW, STILL PAVED, RIGHT? IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S UNDERSTAND. YEAH, SO YOU'RE SAYING SOMEWHERE, SOME SOMEHOW THERE ARE SOME CALCULATIONS THAT SAY YES, EVEN THOUGH COMMON SENSE SAYS THIS IS NOT ENOUGH GREEN TO ABSORB THE WATER THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING OUT OF THE SKY. AND RUNNING OFF SOMEWHERE. THE NUMBERS SAY IT WORKS. YEAH WE CAN CAPTURE IT ALL. AND, UM AND THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS BE LEGAL. YEAH WITHIN THE NUMBERS, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH QUESTIONS. CAN I PICK YOU UP FOR THAT WAY? LET'S GO ONLINE. KEEP THINGS ORDERLY HERE, UM, JUST TOUCHING ON THE ARCHITECTURAL. I MEAN, WHAT? WE'RE LOOKING AT IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THAT SECTION IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING IS PROPOSED TO BE THE PUBLIC ART. UM THE BUILDING MATERIAL ITSELF OR WE TILT WALL CONCRETE, CORRECT. OKAY, UM AND DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY PROBLEM IF WE PUT A CONDITION ON THAT SAYS THAT THESE ARCHITECTURAL NEED TO BE CONFORMED TO OR UM, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORM TO YEAH, I WOULD SAY SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORM TO PURSUANT TO REVIEW BY LIKE CITY STAFF. JUST SO WE'RE NOT HELD LIKE 100, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME TWEAKS. I JUST DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SHOW UP PRETTY BUILDING WITH A LOT OF GLASS AND THEN, YES. GLASS BUDGET AND GLASS. SO RIGHT, THAT'S THAT'S WHERE YOU KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN SOME PROJECTS THAT HAVE DONE THAT. AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TALK STORE STORIES, BUT I JUST IT'S A VERY NICE PROJECT. IT'S VERY APPEALING AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. YOU KNOW SOMETHING NOT AS APPEALING THERE. SO THAT'S UM THAT'S WHERE MY COMMENTS COMING FROM CONDITIONS LIKE THAT IS FINE AGAIN, SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY STAFF, SORT OF GIVING US AND WAS A WIGGLE ROOM BECAUSE OUR FULL AND YOU KNOW, WILSON'S FULL INTENTION IS TO BUILD WHAT YOU SEE AND WHAT WE'VE SUBMITTED. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS DEVIATE SLIGHTLY. YES GETTING MORE INTO THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS. THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT COME UP THAT MIGHT LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE YOU DON'T WANT TO GET A THING THAT'S FOR A LIGHT BULB OR SOMETHING. OR WHATEVER. YEAH. THAT'S ALL I GOT. MICAH? I I'M I'M SIMILAR TO FRANK AND WHAT I ASSUME SETH AS WELL STILL A LITTLE BIT ON THE A

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YEAH. AFTER THE WITCH POINT, WELL, SO SOUTHEAST CORNER ON THE EAST SIDE, BUT THEN EVERYTHING IN THE PARKING LOT. ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING CODES WEST AND THEN SOUTH TO THE TO THE RETENTION AREA ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. YES SIR. UM SO THAT JUST MAKES LIKE TOO MUCH SENSE TO HAVE THE ENTIRE PAVEMENT. MAKE SURE IT'S TILTING AWAY FROM THE WATER. THAT JUST MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. OKAY MY FINAL CHAPTER AND AGAIN THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. NO DRIVE . NO UH, NO FIBERGLASS DUST. NO EPOXY FUMES. NO WAY. NO, HOW? NEVER NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT. IS THAT WHAT SHE TOLD ME THAT ONE? SO IF I CAN MAKE AN ANALOGY HERE JUST PICTURE THIS AS A JIFFY LUBE VERSUS THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT IN AN AUTO DEALERSHIP. THIS IS GOING TO BE, UH, THE DELIVERY YARD FOR THE BOATS THAT WE BUILD ON JACK JAMES DRIVE WILL ALSO DO MINOR SERVICE WORK WILL DO. OIL CHANGES WILL DO SHAFT ALIGNMENT WILL DO. PROPELLER RECONDITIONING WILL DO. BOTTOM PAINTING, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANY DESTRUCTIVE NOTHING THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE PEOPLE NEXT DOOR WON'T HAVE THE STAFF THIS FACILITY YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. HAS ANYONE SEEN THEIR OPERATION OF RIVER? YES YES, I USED TO WORK DOWN THE STREET.

OKAY SO I'VE SEEN IT SEVERAL TIMES AND I'VE GOT TO SAY SOMETHING. IT'S SPECTACULAR.

THANK YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, WHICH MAKES PERFECT SENSE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SET THINGS UP THE RIVER TO DO MINOR MAINTENANCE IS WHAT WHAT'S HAPPENING, RIGHT? CORRECT WELL, AND WHEN WE DID THE DELIVERY, SO LOOK WE? WE LAUNCHED THE BOAT AFTER IT'S BUILT. AND WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SEA TRIAL PROCESS AND FINE TUNE IT. IT'S AN HOUR TO GET FROM OUR CURRENT FACILITY. TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND DO THE SEA TRIAL FROM HERE. IT'S 15 MINUTES. JUST MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. AND THEN WHEN WE DELIVER THE BOAT TO THE OWNER WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO. COME THROUGH THE RIVER TO GET ALL THE WAY OVER HERE, TOO. USED THEIR BOAT. THERE'S NO QUESTIONS.

SHALL WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR US SO THAT JOHN CAN GET OUT OF HERE? OKAY? CHILL. GOODRICH.

GOOD EVENING, MR CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD JOAN GOODRICH WITH THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD IN MARTIN COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNER JUST HERE TO SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND THE APPLICANTS APPLICATION TO YOU. WILLIS CUSTOM YACHTS, AS YOU'VE HEARD, HAS BEEN GROWING IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR MANY DECADES, THANKS TO MARK WILLIS AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL VISION OF BROOKE SMITH AND THE OPERATIONAL TALENT AND LEADERSHIP OF DOUG WEST. YOU KNOW IT HAS THEY HAVE REALLY PUT STEWART AND MARTIN COUNTY BACK ON THE MAP FOR CUSTOM BOAT BUILDING, SO I'M JUST HERE TO SUPPORT THE APPLICATION AND ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND MOVING IT FORWARD. OKAY SO IS THERE A DISCUSSION AMONG THE BOARD? CAN I GET SOMEONE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY TO MAKE THIS MOTION? WE CAN? YEAH I MEAN, I THINK I THREW SOME CONDITIONS OUT THERE, SO IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION THAT ANY SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATION FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS SHOWN HERE RENDERING SHOWN HERE TODAY WILL COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD. AND WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TO SHOW MORE DETAILED INFORMATION REGARDING THE STORM. WATER. UM MANAGEMENT. PLAN FOR THE FOR THE PROPERTY.

BEFORE I GET A SECOND. DOES ANYONE WANT TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS? TO THIS MOTION.

OKAY, SO THEN I'LL TAKE A SECOND. SECOND. NOPE. YOU'RE MADE BY NEXT SECONDED BY MICAH.

DID YOU GET THE MOTION? WE HAVE IT ON RECORDING. OKAY? DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEE NONE. PLEASE REMEMBER MCCHRYSTAL? YES REMEMBER LOUIS? CAMPENNI YES, YES. KOWSKI YES.

OWENS? YES PASSES SIX YEAR OLD. THANK YOU. OKAY? LET ME SHOWING UP AND CREATING TIRES. ALRIGHT

[4. PRESENTATION ON THE DOWNTOWN TRAM SERVICE]

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WE'RE AT 40,000. WE WERE PUSHING A LITTLE MORE THAN WE GOT HIT WITH COVID. AND 2020. PROBABLY ABOUT 18,000. SO 2021. WE STARTED TO MOVE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, 28,000 AND THEN FOR 2022. WE MOVED UP TO 35,000 RIDERS AND SO FAR FOR 2023 JANUARY TO MAY, WE'RE ALREADY AT 23,000 RIDERS. THESE WRITERS THIS RIDERSHIP IS COMPILED OF EVENTS THAT HAPPENED DOWNTOWN. UM HISTORIC TOWARDS PEOPLE INTRODUCED INTO THE AREA . UM THE SCHOOLS, THE SCHOOLS USE THE TRAMS, THE LOCAL SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES USED THE TRAMS INSTEAD OF, UM, LIKE ONE OF THE SCHOOLS CAME TO ME. THEY HAVE TO, UM YOU KNOW WHEN THEY HAVE TO TRY AND SECURE A BUS. IT'S VERY HARD SO THEY DON'T GET TO DO THINGS IN THE LOCAL AREA. SO A LOT OF THE SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES USE IT, UM, TO COME TO VISIT THE CITY MANAGER. THEY'VE DONE CHRISTMAS CAROLING. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT THEY GET REWARDED BY BEING ABLE TO RIDE ON THE TRIM AND GO DOWNTOWN FOR ICE CREAM. THAT'S FIRST STEP JUST USES THAT A LOT SO THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT THEY'RE USED FOR THE OTHER THINGS WE USE IT FOR, UM, THE COMMISSION PARADES, ANY PARADES THAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE IN, WE GET THE TRAM READY FOR THEM TO BE PRESENTED IN THE IN THE PARADE CHRISTMAS PARADE HAS THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE HERITAGE MUSEUM USES THE TRANS TO RIDE IN THE PARADES ALSO SO THAT'S. ONE THIS IS BASICALLY OUR ROUTE. WE HAVE A FIXED ROUTE, WHICH IS SIGNIFIES IN THE YELLOW AND THE YELLOW TRIANGLE. THE ON CALL ROUTES ARE IN THE ORANGE TRIANGLE. WE TRANSITIONED OVER TO DOING BOTH BECAUSE THERE WERE CERTAIN AREAS THE ON CALL ONES THAT WE WERE VISITING EVERY DAY . SEVERAL TIMES A DAY. YOU KNOW SEVERAL TIMES AN HOUR, AND IT JUST WASN'T FEASIBLE BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING MAYBE ONE RIDE OR A MONTH. SO INSTEAD, WE TRANSITIONED TO DO THE MORE POPULAR AREAS AND THEN THE OTHER ONES ARE ON CALL. SO SOMEBODY CALLS AND SAYS, HEY, I'M OVER AT THE POST OFFICE. CAN I GET A RIDE? BECAUSE THERE'S A TRAM STOP THERE. THE TRAM WILL POP OFF HIS ROUTE. HE'LL GO OVER THERE, HE'LL PICK IT UP, PICK HIM UP AND BRING THEM BACK. SO AND THEN, OF COURSE, OUR HOURS ARE ON THERE. THIS IS BASICALLY A ROUTE WITH ALL OF OUR STOCKS AND YOU'LL SEE YELLOW IS THE REGULAR ROUTE. ORANGE SAILORS RETURN THE POST OFF. EXCUSE ME IN THE HOSPITAL ARE ALL DONE ON AN ON CALL ROUTE. AND THE FURTHEST WE DO GO IS TO THE HOSPITAL. SO WE RECEIVED SOME GRANTS BACK IN 2020 IN FEBRUARY , 2020. WE RECEIVED A GRANT TO HELP PROMOTE THE TRAMS. TALK ABOUT THE TRAMS HAVE HISTORIC

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UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO COVID, WE DIDN'T GET TO START THE GRANT. WE DIDN'T GET TO START ANY OF THIS UNTIL OCTOBER, NOVEMBER. SO LAST MONTH, THEY GAVE US A CALL AND THEY DECIDED TO EXTEND EXTEND OUR GRANT TO DO THE MARKETING, HISTORIC TOURS AND EVERYTHING UNTIL MAY. 2024 CURRENTLY BY HAVING A GRANT. WE CANNOT CHARGE PEOPLE TO WRITE ON THE TRIM FOR HISTORY TOUR BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING MONEY FROM THE STATE. IF WE CHARGE WE LOSE THE GRANT. WE HAVE TO PAY BACK EVERYTHING WE'VE USED SO FAR. SO AT THIS CURRENT TIME, OUR FUTURE PLAN WITH. UM CURRENTLY, MR DIAZ . WE TALKED ABOUT IT. THE FUTURE WAS WHEN WE GET RID OF THE GRANTS WE PLAN ON CHARGING FOR THE TOURS. AND WE PLAN ON CHARGING FOR THE SCHOOLS AND EVERYBODY TO USE AND WE DO HAVE A CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT IS $20 AN HOUR FOR TWO HOUR MINIMUM. SO NO MATTER IF THEY ONLY NEEDED FOR AN HOUR, THEY STILL PAY FOR TWO AND WE HAVE A LOT OF THE LOCAL SCHOOLS THAT ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT, BECAUSE CURRENTLY FOR THEM TO RENT A BUS. IS $400 FOR LIKE EIGHT HOURS, SO IT'S CHEAPER FOR THEM. PLUS THE KIDS LOVE TO TRIM. SO THEN, IN 2022 RE RECEIVED TWO MORE GRANTS. ONE WAS TO PURCHASE A TRIM. TO ACCOMMODATE MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ONE TRAM THAT ACCOMMODATES 20 PEOPLE, AND WE HAVE THE OTHER TRENDS THAT ACCOMMODATE EIGHT WITH THE HANDICAPPED RAMP, SO WE PURCHASED THE TRIM THAT ACCOMMODATES. I THINK IT'S 15 PEOPLE WITHOUT THE HANDICAPPED RAMP AND BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT FOR DIFFERENT EVENTS. BOTH SHOWS PARADES EVERYTHING THAT WE USE THE TRANSPORT THE OTHER GRANT THAT WE RECEIVED. IN DECEMBER.

2022 IS AROUND EXPANSION, IT WAS TO BE ABLE TO ADD MORE ROUTES ONTO THE TRIM. WE DID ADD WELLS FARGO ONTO THAT IN JANUARY. WE, UM WE'RE ONE TRAM LITERALLY GOES FROM WELLS FARGO TO HANEY CIRCUIT CIRCLE BY DUFFY'S AND BACK TO ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE, SO WE DID THAT IN JANUARY AND TO DATE FROM JANUARY TO MAY, WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE JUST OVER 1500 PEOPLE. COMING INTO THE CITY BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T FIND PARKING DOWNTOWN. SO WE DIRECTED THEM TO WALLS, FARGO, AND THEN THEY USE THE TRIM TO COME BACK AND FORTH. AND BASICALLY WHEN THEY'RE DONE. IF THEY'RE WAITING AT HANEY CIRCLE, WE CAN PICK THEM UP. YOU KNOW IF IT'S BUSY, AND THEY NEED TO, THEY CAN ALWAYS JUST CALL AND SAY I'M HERE AND I'M READY TO GO BACK TO WALL START NOW. SO THOSE ARE THE THOSE ARE. THE TRAMS WERE CURRENTLY THE GRANTS WERE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH WITH THE STATE. SO 2021 WE DID ABOUT 116 HISTORIC TOURS. I DIDN'T HAVE THE NUMBER OF WRITERS ON THAT ONE. AND THEN WE DID ABOUT 41 OTHER EVENTS. LIKE I SAID, THE PARADES, THE KIDS EVENTS AND EVERYTHING. 2022 WE MOVED UP TO 137 HISTORIC TOURS WITH 68. OTHER EVENTS IN THAT IS ALSO THE BOAT SHOW THAT COMES IN EVERY YEAR. THEY DO USE OUR THEY DO PAY TO RENT THE TRAMS TO ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND OUT OF THAT SO PART OF THAT NUMBER UM, GOOD GUESSES ABOUT 3 . TO 4000 OF THAT OTHER IS JUST THE BOOKSHELF TRANSPORTING PEOPLE FOR THE BOAT SHOW. JUST ONE QUICK THING ON THAT WAS SO FAR IN MAY. WE'VE HAD 81 TOURS, AND WE'VE HAD 32 OTHER EVENTS ACCOMMODATING ALMOST 9000 PEOPLE. SO THERE'S JUST SOME PICTURES WE HAD ADDED IN THERE THE PARADE, DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT WE DO KIDS CAROLING. THEY COME ALL THROUGH THE CITY AND GO CAROLING, TWO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS AND UM ARE YEAR TO DATE EXPENSES 20 2100 AND EIGHT WE HAD FIVE DRIVERS AND SIX TRAMS RUNNING 2022. WE DID DROP A LITTLE, UM JUST BECAUSE WE HAD CHANGED SOME THINGS WITH THE ROUTES AND CHANGE SOME THINGS WITH THE TIMES. CURRENTLY WE HAVE SEVEN EMPLOYEES WITH SEVEN TRAMS. WE ONLY OPERATE ONE IN THE DAY SHIFT ONE IN THE EVENING SHIFTS, SO TWO A DAY OR 2023 EXPENSES ARE LOOKING RIGHT AROUND 140. WE DO HAVE AN ADVERTISING PANEL ON ONE OF OUR TRAMS. WE DO. WE'VE BEEN PROMOTING THAT IN 2021. WE HAD OUR EXCUSE ME, 2022. WE HAD THREE SPACES RENTED OUT AND IN 2023. WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO SPACES RENTED OUT RIGHT NOW, AND THAT IS A COST. THEY PAY AN APPLICATION FEE, AND THEN IT'S 100 AND 50 PER MONTH WITH A MINIMUM OF THREE MONTHS IF THEY PAY FOR SIX MONTHS, ALL AT ONCE THEY GET ONE MONTH FOR FREE. SO WE'VE BEEN PROMOTING IT, UM NOT AS HARD AS WE SHOULD BE, BUT WE'LL BE GETTING BACK OUT THERE AND PROMOTING IT AGAIN. RIGHT NOW. IT'S THE SUMMER SO A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO ADVERTISE IN THE SUMMER. THEY WAIT UNTIL THE SEASON AND THEN THEY WANT TO ADVERTISE. AND THESE ARE JUST COMPLIMENT LETTERS. WE RECEIVED THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM. WE JUST RECEIVED TODAY ABOUT SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE LOOKING TO MOVE TO WEST PALM BEACH, BUT THEY TOOK ONE OF OUR TOURS AND THEY JUST FELL IN LOVE. THE DRIVER GAVE SUCH A GREAT TOUR THAT THEY DECIDED TO

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THEY USE IT. THEY WANT TO COME IN. THEY COME IN AND WORK. THEY DON'T WANT TO GET SOAKING WET OR THEIR LEAVING AT NIGHT, AND IT'S DARK AND THEY DON'T WANT TO GO BACK IN THE DARK BY THEMSELVES.

SO THOSE ARE JUST A FEW OF THEM. SO, LIKE I SAID WELLS FARGO, WE DID AS A PILOT PROGRAM IN 2022.

WE DID IT FOR TWO MONTHS. DID ABOUT 150 PEOPLE THIS YEAR. WE DID IT FOR ABOUT FIVE MONTHS, AND WE'VE DONE OVER 1500 THAT WAS INCLUDING THE ATLANTIC CITY ORCHESTRA THAT, UM, THEY PLAY AT THE LYRIC. THEY RENTED THE TRIM TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR PEOPLE SO THEY WOULDN'T TIE UP DOWNTOWN PARKING. SO THAT WAS SOME OF THAT. THAT, UM. SO THIS WILL HELP ENHANCE THE SIERRA BY GETTING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE DOWNTOWN EVENTS. DINING SHOPPING , YOU KNOW, BY BRINGING PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSKIRTS, ONE OF THE OTHER AREAS THAT CHANNEL AND I DISCUSSED WAS USING THE PARKING LOT BEHIND THE COURTHOUSE. WHICH IS ANOTHER PARKING AREA THAT HOLDS A LOT OF CARS OVER THERE DURING BIG EVENTS. IT DOES GET USED AND PEOPLE BRING THEM IN. BUT DURING THE SMALL EVENTS OR PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. SOMETIMES THE TRAIN DRIVERS WILL PUT POINT IN THAT WAY. SO THE TRAIN IS NOT ONLY JUST FOR TOURISTS, BUT FOR THE LOCALS. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF LOCAL PEOPLE WHO WILL USE IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T IF THEY LIVE IN THE POTSDAM AREA. THEY DON'T WANT TO BRING THEIR CAR DOWNTOWN , SO THEY WERE LITERALLY EITHER WALK RIGHT, TOO SELFISH, PARKING RIDING, CATCH A RIDER. THEY'LL CALL THE TRIM AND SAY, HEY, I'M OVER ON AKRON. CAN YOU COME AND PICK ME UP, AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR ON CALL STOPS. SO THE TRIM DOES PROVIDE TRANSPORT FROM PLACE TO PLACE AGAIN. WE HAVE A LOCAL WHO, UM, HE HAS A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT EVERY MONTH AT THE HOSPITAL, AND HE DOES NOT WALK. HE'S NOT MOBILE, JUST WITH A CANE, SO HE WILL CALL THE TRAM AND ASK FOR A RIDE TO THE HOSPITAL. AND THEN WHEN HE'S DONE, HE ASKED FOR A RIDE BACK.

WE DO HAVE ANOTHER AUTISTIC CHILD. THAT UM, IF HE'S GOOD ALL DAY, HIS REWARD IS TO BE ABLE TO CALL THE TRIM AND RIDE THE TRIM EVERY DAY. AND HE WRITES THAT TREND EVERY DAY HE GETS ON THAT TRAM COMES IN. HAS SOME ICE CREAM GOES BACK? IT'S A JOY FOR HIM. SO, UM SO, UM, WITH THE FIXED ROUNDS, LIKE I SAID, WE DO HAVE THE ON CALL TO THE HOSPITAL, THE CREEK DISTRICT, POTSDAM AREA. EVEN SHEPHERDS, PARKING SAILORS RETURN, SO WE DO GO OVER TO SAILORS RETURN ON AN ON CALL BASIS AND IN 2022 WE PICKED UP 100 607 PEOPLE FROM SAILORS RETURN TO COME INTO DOWNTOWN AND THEN OR VICE VERSA BECAUSE THEY PARKED SELFISH PARKING RIDE WENT OVER TO THE SELLER'S RETURN. AND SO FAR THIS YEAR WE'VE DONE ABOUT 162 AND THAT SAILORS RETURN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR PAULA RIGHT NOW. SO. STAY TUNED, PAULA. OKAY I THE OTHER THING WE DIDN'T DO

[5. DOWNTOWN TRAM WRAP PROGRAM (RC)]

AND SO THEY PUSHED IT BACK TO US. SO EITHER DESIGNED IT DIFFERENTLY. TWEET WHAT WE HAVE . OR GO, AND IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. SO. THEY WANT US TO DECIDE. YES. CHRIS SERIOUS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OKAY , SO I WILL HAVE THE FINAL DECISION, OF COURSE, BUT THEY WANTED US TO CRB. TO LOOK AT IT. MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. GANDHI STYLE JUST SIERRA DIRECTOR FOR

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SO THE OVERALL IDEA IS TO PROMOTE THE TRAMS MORE WITH THIS $10,000 EXPENDITURE, MAKING THEM MORE VISIBLE, MORE ENTICING THE USE WHAT ALL THE ABOVE ABOVE. AS I MENTIONED THE SELECT PLACED REGARDLESS, THERE'S CR OR THE CITY WILL BE SPENDING MONEY TO REPLACE THOSE WRAPS. SO THAT LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT MAYBE THEY'RE NOT BEING USED AS MUCH AS THEY SHOULD BE. OR AS MUCH AS WE EXPECTED THEM TO BE. WE JUST WANT THEM TO GET MORE ATTENTION. UM GET MORE VISIBILITY BECAUSE THE COLORS RIGHT NOW THEY CAN BE HIDDEN. THEY'RE NOT AS VISIBLE. IT'S JUST A PREFERENCE THING.

WELL, IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR COLOR AND THAT THAT PICTURE THAT SHOWED ALL THOSE CHILDREN IN THAT TRAM. IT LOOKED LIKE FOUR TIMES THEY LOOK LIKE BETWEEN 12 AND 16. STUDENTS IN THAT TRAM.

AND I HAVE. EXPRESS MY OPINION CONSISTENTLY OVER THE YEARS. ABOUT GOLF CARTS. ON STREETS.

AND. IT'S NOT A MATTER OF IF, BUT WHEN AND. THE FIRST CAR VERSUS GOLF CART. IT'S GOING TO BE CATASTROPHIC THAT TYPE OF STUFF THAT'S GOING TO MAKE YOUR FIRST RESPONDERS. QUIT BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T SEEN THAT SINCE TWO. STAY ON, OKAY? SO WHEN I AM I'M A TRACK. SO IF WE'RE GONNA GO WITH COLORS THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FUNCTIONAL COLOR THAT MAKES THOSE TRAMS. MORE VISIBLE THAN ANYTHING YOU CAN EVER IMAGINE. YOU KNOW ALL TYPES OF LIGHT. THANK YOU. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, WHICH RIDE TO SELL THIS RAPPING TO A BUSINESS. KEEPS DOING IN THE FRONT BUT EVERYWHERE ELSE. DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE SOIL WORSHIP SPONSORSHIP. I SAID, THERE'S VERY LIMITED SPACE ON THE SIDES. YOU HAVE ABOUT THAT MUCH SPACE. SO HENCE THE REASON WE PUT THE ADVERTISEMENT ON THE TOP, AND THEN I PROMOTING THE FRONT OF IT. IT SAYS EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED. YOU NEED THE PHONE NUMBER. YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT IS SO THE LIMITED SPACE THAT'S ON THE SIDE. IF WE WERE TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE SIDE, IT WOULD BE ABOUT THAT BIG. BUT I THINK IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE THINKING JUST SPACE ON THE TRAM . THAT'S ONE THING. BUT WHAT IF IT BECAME LIKE THE YOU KNOW THE EARTH TONES TRAM. YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU WOULD STILL HAVE A BRANDING

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MAYBE THE HISTORICAL TREND. YOU KNOW SOMETHING ELSE. BUT CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE ONE TRAM THAT GOES THE WHOLE THE WHOLE ROUTE, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, COULD GO FROM ANY CIRCLE. DOWN TO FLAGLER OVER TO KAHANE'S THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND THEN WE HAVE HISTORIC TRAM TOURS ARE A TOTAL DIFFERENT TRIM. HE COMES IN SOMEBODY COMES IN. THEY DO THE TOUR AND THAT'S IT. HE'S NOT THE ROUTE TRIM. TOM. WERE YOU GETTING AT LIKE? THE ROUTE TRIM NEEDS TO BE THE NEON YELLOW TRAM. MAYBE THE HISTORIC TRAM NEEDS TO BE THE NEON PINK TRAM, PERHAPS, AND SO FORTH, DIFFERENT SO THAT PEOPLE LIKE IF I SEE THIS TRAM, THIS IS WHERE THIS THING IS GOING TO TAKE.

CURRENTLY WE USE SIGNS ON THE FRONT BECAUSE THE PROBLEM WE RUN INTO IS, UH AND, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND. THE YELLOW TRAM GOES HERE THEN I'M THINKING IS OUR BIG TRIM IS THE ONE WE USE? MOST OF THE TIME FOR TOURS, BUT IT SEATS 20 PEOPLE. I DON'T FIND IT JUSTIFIABLE TO BRING OUT A 20 CEDAR TRIM WHEN I HAVE A GROUP OF SIX THAT WANT TO GO ON A TOUR, SO THEN I USE THE SMALLER TRIM AND WE PUT THE SIGN IN THE WINDOW BECAUSE MAYBE THEY WANT TO USE THE BIGGER TRIM FOR AN EVENT THAT'S GOING ON. SO TO MAKE IT THE COLOR MIGHT DISTINGUISH A HISTORIC TOUR. I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE IT WORK. BUT I DON'T FIND IMPORTANT ON THE FIXED ROUTE THAT THAT FIXED DROUGHT. TRAN HAS A CERTAIN COLOR AND THAT CERTAIN COLOR IS ALWAYS GOING TO GET YOU TO THIS SPOT. THIS SPOT THIS SPOT, OKAY? JUST I THINK THAT'S WHY I LIKE THAT IDEA. BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE SEVEN TRAMS AVAILABLE TO YOU. SO THE DESIGNATE, YOU KNOW ONE OR TWO FOR A SPECIFIC SPECIFIC ROUTES. AND I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS WANT TO UTILIZE AS MUCH SPACE AS YOU WOULD BECAUSE, LIKE YOU SAY, IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAILFISH SAILORS RETURN YOU ONLY PICKING UP A FEW WRITERS. YOU ONLY NEED TO SEND THE FIVE OR SIX PERSON THING TO PICK IT UP AS A BOOK, 20. IF YOU'RE GOING DOWNTOWN, A LOT, WHICH I OBVIOUSLY CAN I UNDERSTAND. OKAY WITH THE BOAT, LIKE WITH THE BOAT SHOW THE BOAT SHOW ACCOMMODATE SO MANY PEOPLE, SO WE'LL TEND TO USE THAT BIG TRIM AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER TRENDS TO ACCOMMODATE THE BOAT SHOW AND THEN THE SMALLER TRANS ARE DOING JUST THE REGULAR ROUTE. NO AND THEY'LL BE DEVIATIONS. BUT I THINK THAT YOU KNOW JUST THE CONSISTENCY AND THE RECOGNITION . OKAY? DEFINITELY THE

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OKAY? I DON'T WANT TO DO A BOLDER, BRIGHTER COLOR. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE PRESCRIPTIVE. I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO WHAT? THE EXPERT ON THE GROUND HOW MANY TRAINS ARE RUNNING, SO I DON'T WANNA SAY LIKE ONE IF THEY TYPICALLY ARE RUNNING THREE AND FIXED ROUTES, BUT YEAH. FIXED ROUTE SHOULD BE SPECIFIC COLOR BECAUSE WE WON'T RUN ONE TRAM DURING THE DAY. AND THEN WE WON ONE TRIM IN THE EVENING EXCEPT THURSDAY AND FRIDAY EVENINGS. WE RUN TO SAFETY REASONS. UM AND THEN FRIDAY OR SUNDAY. WE RUN, TOO, BECAUSE OF THE DOWNTOWN GREENMARKET FIXED ROUTES. THOSE ARE ALL FIXED ROUTES. YES, SO IF WE WERE TO WRAP ALL THE FIXED ROUTE. IN ONE COLOR, THE SAME COLOR. THAT WOULD BE WRAPPING THREE TRAILS. THAT WOULD BE THREE. WITH NO BACKUP. SO YES, WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO WRAP THREE TRANS OR TO RECOMMEND WRAPPING THREE TRAMS AND THAT NEON GREEN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FRANK. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GETTING AHEAD OF YOURSELF AS FAR AS THE STUDIES TRYING TO CALL THAT WILL BE SEEN, LIKE BRIGHTER , WIDER, THE BETTER. IT IS EASY AS IT CAN BE SEEN. BRIGHTON GREAT. I DON'T MIND. I MEAN, I'M GOING TO SAY THE GREEN OR YELLOW. WHATEVER THE BOARD THINKS, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT COLOR IS ACTUALLY SAFETY, GIVING. IT'S A GREENISH YELLOW. YEAH, IT LIKE TWO TONE THERE SO CAN WE GET. YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT MOTION. YEAH, I'LL MAKE IT TWO TO WRAP THREE BECAUSE WELL, TO CLARIFY WE WANTED ALL THE FIXED ROUTE TRAMS TO BE THE SAME COLOR CORRECT. SO INHERENTLY, WE HAVE TO PICK THE COLOR. SO WE WRAP THE THREE FIXED ROUTE TRANS I'M SAYING NEON GREEN PINEAPPLE GOLD, WHATEVER YOU WANT. SO THE NEON THE NEON GREEN, SOMEONE ON THE LEFT. IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? OKAY, GOOD. YES. MAHI GOLD. I'M OKAY WITH THE SAFETY. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. FRANK NICK. THE SAFETY COLOR IS GOOD. I STILL NOT TOO LITTLE OVER FIND THINGS , BUT SINCE IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO US TO QUIBBLE OVER FINE THINGS, UM, HERE WE GO. UM GOING BACK TO THE BRANDING THAT THE CITY HAS CONVINCED STAFF HAS COME UP WITH WE HAVE SOME I GUESS I'D BE LOOKING FOR SOME OF THE FONTS THAT ARE BEING PULLED THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED FURTHER, MORE MODERN SIGNAGE TO REFLECT THAT AND ALSO I FOUND THEM TO BE A LITTLE BIT CLEARER TO READ THAT SCRIPT ADVANCED. THAT'S ON THERE IS ACTUALLY KIND OF HARD TO READ, PARTICULARLY THE CALL US AT AND SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'LL MODERNIZE IT A LITTLE BIT AS WELL. UM WE CHANGE THE PART. WE HAVE CITY FONTS SO WE COULD JUST USE THE CITY FUNDING. THAT'S EXACTLY TO HAVE SOME COHESION. THERE WOULD BE GOOD. AGREED GREEN IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR BIKE RACKS AND THE GREEN BIKE LANES. THAT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK OUT OF PLACE. AND I THINK IT WILL BE GREAT FOR SAFETY AND ALSO GREAT FOR JUST GENERAL VISIBILITY. AND I THINK THE PREDICTABILITY OF THE ROUTE, SO YEAH. OKAY WELL, YOU LIKE MY MOTION THAT THE, UM THE WRITING.

USE A STANDARD. UH, SIMPLE. AND THEN WE ALSO PUT IN YOUR MOTION THAT PAULA, WE'LL SEE IF SHE CAN SELL ANYTHING TO YES, I HAD TO THE MOTION THAT WE WOULD CREATE A SPONSORED TRAM PROGRAM TRAM SPONSORSHIP PROGRAM. OKAY IS THAT ALL YOU NEED FOR AND YELLOW. YEAH, THE FLOWERS. YEAH, YELLOW. NO THAT'S NOT LIKE TO THINK I'M VISCOUS, OR DID YOU WANT THE SAILFISH OR PALM TREE? THERE'S STILL FISH AND PALM TREE OPTION ALSO OKAY? WE'LL MOVE THIS FARM. OKAY WE'LL STICK WITH

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DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS PARTICULAR MOTION? NO NONE. BOARD MEMBER BARTOWSKI.

YES REMEMBER CRYSTAL? NO REMEMBER LOUIS CAMPENNI BOARD MEMBER SCHROTH? YES. MEMBER OWENS? YES. SAY IT PASSES 51 40 NUMBER MCCHRYSTAL VOTING NO JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION WHEN WE DO GET THE SPONSORSHIP. DO YOU WANT THAT DESIGNED TO COME FORWARD BEFORE THE BOARD TO APPROVE? THE SPONSOR DESIGN. YEAH, I THINK SO. UNLESS YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH US. A STANDARD AND THAT WE JUST GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. GOT IT STANDING. THANKS TIME, I WOULD SAY THAT PROBABLY DESIGNS ARE LIKE THE SAFETY FEATURE SO SOME OTHER SORT OF SAFETY COLOR. I SHOULD PROBABLY BE. JUST KEEP THAT IN CONSIDERATION AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH AND DEALING WITH LIKE A SPECIFIC SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE I THINK WE ALSO WANT TO SEE WHAT'S THAT SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITY LOOK LIKE, SO IT'S GOING TO GET A LITTLE THERE'S A LOT I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO SPEND A TON OF TIME LIKE CREATING THIS SPONSORSHIP PLAN AND GO OUT TO MARKET AND EVERYBODY GOT TO MARKET SOMEONE GET A PROPOSAL. GREEN TOSS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT NOW. OKAY? I'M KIDDING. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE. WE WILL. WE WILL BRING BACK AT OUR NEXT MEETING, THEN WE'LL HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA. TO DISCUSS. MORE OF A VISIONING SESSION ABOUT WHAT WE ENVISIONED THE TRAMPS TODAY. BECAUSE I ALWAYS ENVISIONED THEM GOING DOWN. YOU KNOW THE LARK SO THAT PEOPLE COULD GO PICK GET PICKED UP AND BROUGHT BACK. I WISH THEY COULD GO ACROSS US ONE. HELL NO, NOT NOT. I THINK THE CITY OF THE CITY ATTORNEY TO TELL US THEY'RE REALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO. JEFFREY. POINT ON THAT BRIDGE. OVER THE SHEPHERDS PARK MOTION.

MADE MORE SENSE. BOTH. YOU WANT TO ELABORATE ON THAT? NEXT, MAYBE FOR THE NEXT ONE. MAYBE FOR THE NEXT ONE. PAUL WILL BECAUSE HE KNOWS A LOT ABOUT THIS BECAUSE HE STUDIED IT BECAUSE EACH ONE ME. OKAY SO ANYWAYS, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT AT OUR NEXT MEETING. DO YOU WANT

[6. CRA BUDGET AMENDMENT #03-2023 FOR FY 2023 (RC)]

WE REFURBISHED IT. IT IS A VERY STRONG TRIM. THE LIFE EXPECTANCY ON TRAMS REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH YOU USE THEM. YOU KNOW, IF WE DO UTILIZE THEM A LOT. SO BEING THAT WE HAVE A TRIM RIGHT NOW. THAT'S 13 YEARS OLD AND IS STILL GOING STRONG. THEY DO LAST A LONG TIME. THE NEWER TRAMS ARE 2018. 2017 2018 AND 2023. SO OBVIOUSLY, IF WE WANT TO, WE CAN START WITH THOSE THREE TRAMS KNOWING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIFE LONGER LIFE EXPECTANCY, ESPECIALLY BEING THE OLDEST ONE IS 13. SO WE CAN ALWAYS UTILIZED DOING THE NEWER ONES, AND THE NEWEST ONE THAT

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[7. EXECUTE FACILITIES AGREEMENTS WITH FP&L AND BINDING COST ESTIMATE PAYMENT FOR CONVERTING OVERHEAD UTILITY LINES TO UNDERGROUND.]

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[8. DISCUSSION & DELIBERATION - PROPOSED ART/VINYL WRAPPING ON TRAFFIC CONTROL BOXES WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS]

CHRIS I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT . I'M A LITTLE BIT INDIFFERENT ABOUT IT. I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE. I'VE NEVER NOTICED ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BE HONEST WITH YOU, YOU KNOW THE RAP LIGHTS AND STUFF, SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO KIND OF GET EXCITED FOR IT, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL BE SPENDING MONEY FOR SOMETHING YOU EVERY THREE YEARS OF FIX. THAT'S BRINGING A DIFFERENCE. YOU KNOW,

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I'LL GIVE YOU BUT IT'S NOT. I THINK, AS NICK SAID, SMALL THINGS LIKE THE BIG THINGS AND THINGS THAT ARE UGLY AND EYESORES ARE DISTRACTING FROM THE OVERALL AMBIENCE. SO NOBODY'S GOING TO STOP AND BE LIKE, OH, MY GOSH, THAT'S THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BURDEN EVER SEEN , BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF THEM. IT'S TO MAKE THEM KIND OF FADED TO MAKE THEM GO AWAY GREEN. BUT I DON'T LIKE FIRE PLUGS, EITHER. WHAT'S THE C R A BUDGET? LIKE OVERALL OH, LIKE WHAT'S IN THE YEAR? OH, ABOUT ABOUT 4 MILLION. SO LIKE I DON'T 75 IS. YOU KNOW YOU'RE GETTING BASICALLY 300 BUCKS A YEAR OUT OF THESE THINGS. 300 BUCKS A YEAR, SO YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY $7000 TOTAL. I MEAN, I DON'T SEE IT AS A. I MEAN, I THINK THE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK IS THERE IS WHAT I'M SAYING, OKAY? SO LET'S GO ON TO SAY THAT WE WANT TO. WE WANT TO RECOMMEND IT BE DONE. C R A ONLY OR CITYWIDE, WHICH WE DON'T PAY FOR OUTSIDE THE CR. WE DON'T PAY FOR IT OUTSIDE, THEN. FINE. I'M FINE. YOU PAY FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S $2 THAT DON'T COME OUT OF OUR BUDGET DOESN'T COME OUT OF OUR BUDGET, BUT IT COMES OUT OF YOUR BUDGET, OKAY? MM. I MEAN THE FUNDING SOURCE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THE C, R A C ARE IN MY OPINION FOR IT. THAT'S THE ONLY FUNNY SOURCE.

WELL WE CAN RECOMMEND IT ALL COME OUT OF CITY BUDGET, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WHAT DO YOU NO , I THINK IT'S AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY FOR AN ARTWORK THEME YET TO YOU BECAUSE I MEAN, WE CAN DISCUSS IT MAY BE BRIEFLY I MY ONLY THOUGHT WOULD BE LIKE SOMETHING THAT BLENDS IN AND DOESN'T YOU KNOW? DRAW TOURNAMENT TENSION. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S BREAK THAT A DECENT POINT THERE AND LIKE YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW. THAT'S CAMOUFLAGE. YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT JUST YOU KNOW. YOU DRIVE BY IT, AND YOU'RE LIKE MORE OF A NATURE NATURE ENVIRONMENT. ABSOLUTELY WELL, THAT'S AND THAT'S THE THING THAT I BELIEVE THAT PORT SAINT LUCIE HAS UP THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF BIRDS ESTUARIES. UM, YOU KNOW PANTHERS WILDLIFE UM YOU KNOW, JUST GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ARTWORK, THERE'S LOT OF LOT OF LOCAL ARTISTS THAT LIKE TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES TO GET THEM AN OPPORTUNITY AND A PALETTE. UM, YOU KNOW TO DO ON IT IS SOMETHING AS WELL. FORMER ARTISTS. WELL, I THINK IT WOULD TAKE. I THINK THAT NOW WILL COST A HELL OF A LOT MORE MONEY THAN THEY HEARD. WE START WITH THE

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YEAH, SO I MEAN, WE'VE GOT AT LEAST. YEAH IS IT INTERESTING? WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? DO YOU NEED AN VOTE? YES OR NO? I MIGHT NEED TO EVEN GET SOME PROFESSIONAL SERVICES TO HELP ME WITH THIS PROJECT. UM I AM THE ONLY STAFF JORDAN WILL BE GONE FOR A FEW MONTHS. I IT YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO HAVE LIMITED STAFF, SO UM I WOULD REQUEST SOME FUNDING ALLOCATED FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES TO HELP GO OUT AND PREPARE THE PACKAGE. UM, THE WHOLE PROPOSAL. I THINK SO BE SPLIT, SO FAIL WOULD DETAILS 33. MAYBE PUT IT ON THE BACK BURNER AND, YOU KNOW, BRING IT BACK WHEN THERE'S MORE TO IT. BUT DID SHE NEEDS TO SPEND MONEY FOR ANYTHING RIGHT? I COULD PUT IT IN THE FIFTH DIRECTION COULD PUT IT IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET WILL YOU GET IN THERE? NOBODY'S GONNA SEE A $7000 A YEAR BUDGET ITEM. 21,021 TO 25,000 ADVERTISING. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO COME UP WITH SOME PRESET DRAWING? LIKE RATHER THAN HAVING EACH SITE CUSTOMIZED? WE DON'T YOU KNOW, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO JUST SAY HEY, THESE ARE THE FOUR DESIGNS AND WE KIND OF USE THEM DEPENDING UPON WHAT WE CAN DO A LITTLE GOOD TEMPLATE FOUR OR FIVE ASSUMING RIGHT NOW IS FLIP. IT CAN BEFORE ME THAT I HAD TO SPEND $21,000. I'M NOT SAYING TO DO IT RIGHT NOW, TOM.

I'M SAYING FOR 2024 WHEN IT COMES BACK RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO OUT AND YOU KNOW, DO IT CUSTOMIZED. LOOK AT EACH SITE. JUST SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS, TOM. I THOUGHT I WAS ALLOWED TO GO OUT TO, HMM. WELL, PREPARE SOME TEMPLATE TO BRING PAUL FORWARD TO THE BOARD. THANK YOU. PRESENTATION OF 102.

[9. LIVE LOCAL ACT (SB102) STAFF PRESENTATION ]

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AND THIS IS A ONGOING POLICY THAT WILL BE LIKE A LIVING DOCUMENT FOR US. BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THINGS CHANGE STATE STATE CHANGES THIS LEGISLATIVE THIS THIS BILL COULD BE AMENDED NEXT YEAR, SO WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AS OF YET. UNTIL, UM SOME OF THESE. LITTLE FINE POINTS ARE IRONED OUT WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR. UM SO. THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU AN UPDATE OVERALL, WHAT'S GOING ON? BECAUSE YOU'LL HEAR A LOT OF THIS. YOU HEAR A LOT OF AH! GRUMBLE ABOUT THE SENATE BILL 102, AND IT'S NOW TURNED INTO LIVE LOCAL ACT 2023. QUESTIONS. WHAT WAS THAT, SO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE AWAIT. IF YOU'RE HOW CLOSE TO PUBLIC TRANSPORT TRANSPORTATION, A HALF MILE OF A TRANSIT STOP HALF A MILE. AND JUST TO REITERATE THIS IS FOR RENTAL. RENTAL UNITS, NOT FOR HOMEOWNERSHIP. DO WE HAVE ANY TRANSIT? LIKE COULD WE KNOW WHAT TRANSIT STOP IS DEFINED AS UNDER THE LAW. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY , A LOT OF THIS IS IN FLUX AND THEY'LL BE OKAY? WHAT IS IT? HOW IS IT DEFINED UNDER THE ON THE LAW. HOW IS THE TRANSIT STOP, HE SAYS MAJOR, BUT A MAJOR HUB, FOR EXAMPLE, TRAIN STATION FABRIC QUALIFIED. BUT MARTY DOESN'T QUALIFY, OKAY? I MEAN, I THOUGHT THE TRAM LIKE QUALIFY. HA! THERE YOU GO. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS. YEAH JUST THE HEIGHT IMPACT IF YOU COULD JUST CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT. UM WITHIN ONE MILE. DOES THAT HAVE IMPLICATIONS FOR ST LUCIE? SAINT LUCY'S BUILDING HEIGHT ORDINANCES LIKE DOES IT CROSS COUNTY LINES? NO OKAY. WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION. IT'S IN OUR JURISDICTION NOW WELL THAT THE HOSPITAL WOULD POTENTIALLY AFFECT THAT. YES OKAY, THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT BECAUSE MOST OF THE DOWNTOWN IS WITHIN A MILE OF HOSPITAL. UM HOSPITAL, YOU KNOW AS A AS A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT AND ACTUALLY CAME BEFORE THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION OF FOUR STORIES. SO I ARE. OUR INITIAL THOUGHT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND HOLD THE LINE FOR STORIES. AND COULD THAT DRAW A LAWSUIT? SURE I GUESS IT COULD. BUT BUT THAT'S THE INITIAL THOUGHT. THE OTHER THING IS TO USE THESE LAURA'S AS A TEMPLATE AND WE'RE JUST STARTING TO PUT TOGETHER. UM WHAT WE HOPE WILL BE A TEMPLATE FOR THE HMM. THE LAND RESTRICTIVE. AGREEMENT THAT. ACTUALLY MAKES SOME SENSE FOR THE CITY SO I DON'T DO WE THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET HUGELY IMPACTED BY THIS LAW. NO, BECAUSE WE'RE ALMOST BUILT OUT.

SO COULD IT BE SOME PROPERTIES? SURE. I MEAN, WE KNOW DEVELOPERS ARE LOOKING AT THE SEA COAST PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, SO COULD THAT HAVE AN IMPACT? YES. IT REALLY COULD. THAT'S BIG ENOUGH AND AREA TOO. TO HAVE AN IMPACT. HAVE WE HAD ANY REQUEST FOR SIX STORY BUILDINGS? NO. WE HAVEN'T BUT YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT'S AN ISSUE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT AND DEAL WITH. AND

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FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL. BUT WE'RE TEMPLATE NG IT. WELL, AND I GUESS TO THE REASON I ASKED. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK SP ONE OR TWO IS GOING TO HAVE SOME PRETTY BIG IMPACTS. I MEAN, THERE'S A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, BOTH EXISTING AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOU KNOW IF I LOOK AT THE VALUE OF MY SHOPPING CENTER THAT HAS MAYBE SOME EMPTY BOXES AND YOU KNOW YOU START TALKING REDEVELOPMENT. I MEAN THAT THROWS INTO THE FOLD A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES. THE 40% WORKFORCE. HOUSING REQUIREMENTS ARE PRETTY BIG, YOU KNOW? OBLIGATION AND THE REALITY IS THAT 40. THE REALITY IS 120% OF AM I, BASED ON THE HIGH INCOME OF MARTIN COUNTY WORKS OUT FAIRLY CLOSE TO MARKET RENT RIGHT NOW, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT IS, LIKE A HUGE DETERRENT. I MEAN IT. IT HAS SOME IMPLICATIONS, AND IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE TO CONSIDER. UM BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO DO P U. D S AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO STRIVE AWAY FROM AN SB 102 PROJECT THAT YOU KNOW, MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE WHAT WE WANT. AND SO YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT. I KNOW UM, A LOT OF FOLKS RECENTLY HAVE SHIED AWAY FROM THE P U D PROCESS WITH THE CITY OF STEWART AND YOU KNOW AS SOMEBODY WITH AN APPLICATION IN RIGHT NOW THAT YOU KNOW PROCESSES A LOT MORE CUMBERSOME THAN AND PROBLEMATIC THAN IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST. SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE THAT THE P U D CAN ALSO BE A MECHANISM TO AVOID, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOMETHING SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT RIGHT? AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AS WELL. THERE MAY BE INCENTIVES THAT WE CAN PUT INTO THE P U. D S THAT THAT IF DEVELOPERS ARE LOOKING AT SB 102 P U D E WITH WITH LAURA. EITHER WAY, WE MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT MORE PALATABLE. SO WHAT? WE'RE IT'S REALLY EARLY AND AS AS JODI SAID. WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO ADOPT LEGISLATION OURSELVES ON IT. DON'T LIE ITSELF IS SELF EXECUTING. 102 IS SELF EXECUTING , SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ADOPT ANYTHING. UM, BUT WHAT IF WE CREATE THESE THE TEMPLATE FOR THE WAR OFF. THEN WE CAN POTENTIALLY HELP OURSELVES AND SO IN EFFECT WHAT YOU WANT TO TRY TO DO WITH THE LAURA? IS SPELL OUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE RENT. WHAT ARE WE? WHAT? CONSTITUTES START WITH AFFORDABLE RENTERS. BUT WHAT CONSTITUTES IS WATER. PART OF THAT IS CABLE. PART OF THAT. IS ELECTRIC. PART OF IT REALLY DIDN'T NOT. THAT'S NOT IN THE BILL WRITING ALL THE LAW RIGHT NOW. I JUST SAID UTILITIES. IT DIDN'T JUST SAY WHAT UTILITIES AND THEY'LL BE. THEY'LL BE COURT CASES ON THAT. BUT YOU THINK THERE'LL BE A GLITCH BILL? NEXT YEAR, PROBABLY ALL I KNOW IS. THE WE DON'T THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO BE ON THE BLEEDING EDGE OF THE LAW. WE JUST WANT TO TRY AND NAVIGATE OUR WAY THROUGH IT.

AND SEE WHAT SEE WHERE THE LAW FINALLY LANDS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. I JUST HAD ONE MORE CLARIFICATION. QUESTION UM, YOU HAD SAID THAT THE LAW IS GOOD FOR 10 YEARS, BUT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE IMPACTS OR FOR 30. I WAS JUST NOT QUITE CLEAR ON THAT IS CORRECT. A LAWS IN EFFECT FOR 10 YEARS OLD SUNSET, UM IN JULY, 1ST 2033, HOWEVER, IF ANY ALLURES OR ANY TYPE OF PROJECT OR APPROVED THEY HAD THE MAINTAIN IT FOR 30 YEARS, OK? THANK YOU PREPARED FINE. SIMPLE QUESTIONS. PLEASE SEE, NONE ARE JUST REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE WILL COME BACK TO THE TREND DISCUSSION NEXT TIME, SO IF YOU COULD HAVE YOUR THOUGHTS WE COULDN'T. FINANCE AND THOUGHTS.

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