Jul 11, 2023 Community Redevelopment Board

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I'M TELLING YOU ALREADY. I DON'T WANT TO QUALITY MEETING TO ORDER CAN I GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

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[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

WELL IT'S NOT AGENDA ITEMS, COMMENTS FROM OUR BOARD MEMBERS. ANYONE. SHARON. WE NEED TO

[2. APPOINTMENT OF VICE CHAIR]

[3. PRESENTATION OF STYPMANN NEIGHBORHOOD SIDEWALK AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS]

AND HOW THIS PROJECT WILL HELP TO PROVIDE THAT CONNECTIVITY TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS SURROUNDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'VE HELD TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN. UM THE RESIDENTS HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FIFTH STREET FROM HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE TO CORTEZ. INITIALLY WE WERE PROPOSING SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE ALL THE WAY TO SOUTHEAST PALM BEACH ROAD, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE THE SIDEWALK FROM CORTEZ TO PALM BEACH ROAD ON THE NORTH SIDE WITH MINIMAL IMPACT. BUT THERE IS MORE IMPACT ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE WHEN WE MOVED WHEN WE LOOKED AT MOVING THE SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE. FROM HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE TO CORTEZ. UM THERE'S EXISTING LANDSCAPING SIGNAGE AND ON STREET PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND THAT DOES INCREASE THE COST OF THE PROJECT BY ALMOST $250,000. SO WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD AS TWO FOR THE LOCATION OF THE SIDEWALK. UM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO REQUESTED SPEED TABLES, UM THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING THREE WAY AND FOUR WAY STOP SIGNS IN THE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULD HELP ADDRESS THE SPEEDING CONCERNS AND IMPROVE THE SAFETY. UM I THINK SPEED BUMPS, WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AS A SECOND PHASE. SHOULD THE STOP SIGNS NOT, YOU KNOW. AH! ADDRESS SOME OF THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SPEEDING CONCERNS

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DOLLARS UM, BUT EVEN WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS OPTION, UM THE NEIGHBORHOOD STILL PREFER TO MOVE THE SIDEWALK TO THE NORTH SIDE. AH! THE RESIDENTS ALSO EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT THE SPEEDING ON CORTEZ AVENUE. UM LIKE I MENTIONED WE ARE PROPOSING FOUR WAY STOP SIGNS AND AS AN ALTERNATIVE, WE LOOKED AT TRAFFIC CIRCLES LIKE SMALL DOTS ALONG CORTEZ, BUT THE RESIDENTS PREFERRED THE FOUR WAY STOP SIGNS UNLESS WE INCLUDE SOME SORT OF VERTICAL ELEMENT, SUCH AS A TREE OR SOME ARTWORK. IN THE TRAFFIC CIRCLES, BUT THAT WOULD AGAIN INCREASE THE CAUSE OF STAFF IS SUGGESTING TO DO THE FOUR WAY STOP SIGNS ON CORTEZ AVENUE. UH THEY DID REQUEST TO INSTALL FOUR WAY STOPS AND PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT. WE DID SOME TRAFFIC, UH , DATA COLLECTION ON CORTEZ AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID REVIEW IT AND IT DID NOT WARRANT OF STOP SIGNS AT THIS TIME AS A STAND ALONE PROJECT. IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN IMPROVEMENT. WE ALSO CONDUCTED SITE VISIT WITH PROPERTY OWNERS ARE REGARDING THE DRAINAGE ISSUE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THE PROJECT THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT HAS EXPANDED TO INCLUDE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT. AH TO IMPROVE THE OVERALL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PROJECT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB FOR THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.

UH, BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB IS GOING TO PAY THE DIRT ROAD THAT'S AT THE END OF HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE AND ADD THE NEW SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SITE PLAN, THEY'RE GOING TO ADD THE NEW SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE OF HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE AND CONNECTED TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ON HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE. AND ALSO PROVIDE CROSSWALK AT STIFF MENAND HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE FOR CONNECTIVITY. UM I'M GOING TO HAVE JOE CAPRA GO THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THE OF THE PLAN. UM BUT TODAY WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON THE OVERALL PLAN. WE'LL ALSO BE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD ON THE PLACEMENT OF SIDEWALK ON FIFTH STREET FROM HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE TO CORTEZ, WHETHER WE WANT TO INSTALL IT ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE AS WE HAVE PROPOSED, OR INSTALL IT ON THE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WHICH WILL INCREASE THE COST. UM, BUT I DO WANT TO BRING BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT, UH, WHEN THOSE COMMERCIALS SITES GET REDEVELOPED, UH, YOU KNOW THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS COULD ABSORB THAT CAUSE FOR SIDEWALKS, IF YOU KNOW IF THEY WANTED ON THE ON THE NORTH SIDE, UM SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, AND MAYBE WE DON'T DO ANY SIDEWALK ON FIFTH STREET AT THIS TIME. AND LET THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, UM , INSTALL THE SIDEWALK AS PART OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN THE FUTURE. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND OF I'M GOING TO HAVE A JOKE. CAPRA GO THROUGH THE DETAILS. AND THEN, UM WE CAN OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSIONS. YEAH. GOOD AFTERNOON BOARD MEMBERS. I'M JOE CAPRA WITH PEPTIC ENGINEERING. UM FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT LIMITED. I THINK CORNELL KIND OF COVERED EVERYTHING PRETTY WELL. AND I KNOW YOU PROBABLY WANT TO HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS OF WHAT THEY LIKE BECAUSE WE'VE BASICALLY STARTED THIS IN 2021. AND WE'VE HAD A FEW PUBLIC MEETINGS. WE'VE HAD SOME PRIVATE MEETINGS WITH INDIVIDUALS OUT IN THE FIELD, AND I THINK THE THING THAT WE JUST WANT TO POINT OUT IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING . UM AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO COMPLETE SIDEWALKS IN THIS AREA, OR I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL SIDEWALKS THERE IN THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE THERE WERE GOING TO LEAVE IN PLACE. WE ARE GOING TO IMPROVE THEM IF THEY'RE BROKEN UP. OR IF THEY DON'T MEET ADA REQUIREMENTS , SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S THAT'S CLEAR. SO, AS YOU KNOW, EAST OCEAN HERE HAS A SIDEWALK. PALM BEACH ROAD HAS A SIDEWALK HERE AND YOU KNOW THEIR SIDEWALKS THAT GOES UP PARTS OF HIGH SCHOOL IN BASICALLY, AMERIGO, BILBOA AND CORTEZ, BUT I GO TO THE ONES THAT ARE PRETTY SIMPLE, THE EASY ONES THAT WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF CRITICISM ON SO MAYBE WE'LL GET SOME CRITICISM TONIGHT, BUT ESSENTIALLY STATEMENT. SIDEWALK HERE IS IN PLACE. OKAY THE ONLY THING WE'RE DOING TO THAT IS

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AND I'M SURE THEY'LL EXPRESS SOME OTHER CONCERNS. OTHER CONCERNS AND SO FORTH, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE SIDEWALK GETS CLOSER TO THEIR HOMES. UM SO WE LOOKED AT AND WE USED TO HAVE IT ON THIS SIDE HERE IN THE SOUTH SIDE, AND IN THIS AREA, I JUST GO TO THAT WE COULD PUT IT ON THE NORTH SIDE, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE PUTS A LITTLE MORE LANDSCAPING BUFFER THERE, MAINLY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW THERE'S SEA GRAPES AND QUITE A GOOD BUFFER THERE BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING HERE IN THESE RESIDENTS SO WE COULD WE MAYBE HAVE TO BEEF UP SOME LANDSCAPING THERE, BUT WE COULD PUT THE SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD. THIS IS ALL ONE PROPERTY HERE, AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO. SORRY. OOPS. SORRY. ANYWAY, SO THIS ISN'T AN AREA THAT WE THOUGHT WE'D KEEP AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES BECAUSE THEY WOULD LOSE SOME PARKING AND PARALLEL TO 205TH STREET HERE, SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO OKAY. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE ORIGINALLY STARTED WITH A SIDEWALK ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE . THEN WE LOOKED AT A SIDEWALK ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.

UNFORTUNATELY THE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE PUT THE SIDEWALK ON THAT OTHER SIDE? THE NORTH SIDE WE END UP HAVING TO DISTURB SOME PARKING PLACES THAT ARE ON THE ROAD PARALLEL TO THE ROAD. OKAY SO WE HAVE TO MOVE THE SIDEWALK TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE. WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AGAIN. ANY SIDEWALK WE PUT OUT THERE WILL HAVE TO MEET ADA REQUIREMENTS. OKAY AND AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S MANY COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES IN THIS AND THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD. THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD IS RESIDENTIAL NORTH SIDE IS COMMERCIAL. SO AGAIN, THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE BETWEEN SIGNS LANDSCAPING THAT WE'D BE TEARING UP REPORT RE REPLACING THE DRIER THE PARKING STALL AND PUTTING THE SIDEWALK THERE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SOME EXTRA COSTS BY PUTTING IT ON THE NORTH SIDE. UM THE INTENT. OF COURSE, ALL OF THIS IS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S CONTINUITY WITH ALL THE SIDEWALKS VITRO DUDE. AND BETROTHED EAST OCEAN AND WITH THIS PRIME, YOU'LL GET THAT CONTINUITY, OKAY? ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS A PRETTY MUCH A NARROW STREET, WHICH WAS 2 TO 8 FT LANES ON 8 FT. LINE IN EACH DIRECTION. UM AND THAT'S WHAT THIS THIS SECTION SHOWS HERE THAT ULTIMATELY WOULD PUT THE

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UM AGAIN. I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT UM WHAT? WHAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE. I MEAN, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS. YOU CAN SEE THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCES IN COSTS WITH THE ALTERNATIVES. BUT ITS WHATEVER YOU PREFER US TO PROVIDE OUT HERE, BUT THERE IS ADDITIONAL COSTS OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS. BECAUSE ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR JOE. UH, NO, NO, NOT RIGHT NOW. I PROBABLY WILL HAVE TO BE HERE FOR MONTHS, OKAY? I PROBABLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR FROM MILTON BILL. MAYBE YOU'RE NOT THE RIGHT GUY, BUT SECURE OUR PUBLIC WORKS SORT OF GUY. WHAT ABOUT STOP SIGNS INSTEAD OF SPEED HUMPS? I MEAN, IF WE HAVE A SPEEDING PROBLEM, I HAVE NEVER KNOWN STOP SIGNS TO STOP THE SPEEDING PROBLEM. THEY SAW THE PEOPLE SPEED UP TO THE STOP SIDE STOP, AND THEN AND SPEED AGAIN. COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT? OR IS THAT ABOVE YOUR PAY GRADE? NOTHING ABOUT MILTON'S PAY GRADE. BARBIE, OF COURSE. IT STOPPED. CITY MANAGER. HMM SOMETHING NO ONE ELSE WILL. UM SO STOP SIGNS ARE TO REGULATE TRAFFIC VOLUME. THE INTENTION BEHIND US STOP SIGN IS THAT THE SIDE STREET NEEDS TO ALLOW TRAFFIC OUT AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SPEED. SPEED IS SUPPOSED TO BE REGULATED BY PEOPLE NOT SPEEDING AND GETTING A TICKET FOR SPEEDING. SPEED BUMPS, NARROWER ROADS, HIGHER LANDSCAPING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE CAN FORCE PEOPLE TO BE IN DANGER. IF THEY'RE DRIVING TOO FAST. AS A RESULT, IT SLOWS THEM DOWN. BUT STOP SIGNS ARE NOT DESIGNED TO REGULATE SPEED. AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT PEOPLE WILL GENERALLY TELL YOU THAT IF THE ROAD IS BEING USED AS A CUT THROUGH OR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SPEED ON IT, BUT YOU REALLY HAVE IS A SCREECHING AND ACCELERATION ZONE BECAUSE THEY

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BUT WE'VE WE'VE DONE A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING IMPROVEMENTS ON CERTAIN PROJECTS. OBVIOUSLY THINGS THAT YOU DO RUN INTO WHEN YOU PUT SPEED TABLES OUT THERE, WHICH I HAVE ONE OUTSIDE MY BEDROOM WINDOW AND 10TH STREET AND I'M NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT IT . BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NIGHT, YOU CAN HEAR TRUCKS GOING BY AND THEY'RE DROPPING OUT THEIR BEER CANS AND EVERYTHING JUST HAPPENS. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AGAINST IT. I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. BUT WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING? WE DID IT. WE DID A PILOT STUDY IN A MORE RURAL AREA FIND THAT SPEED TABLES WILL DROP. YOU CAN PUT THE SPEED TABLES OUT THERE AND THEY'LL DROP ABOUT FIVE MPH AND OBVIOUSLY THE SPEED UP AGAIN. AND THEN YOU PUT ANOTHER SPEED TABLE AND SO FORTH , SO THEY DO THEY DO WORK BETTER THAN SOME OTHER TRAFFIC COMMON FEATURES. THE SPEED TABLES, SO I WOULD SAY THAT THEY AND WE DID A COMPARISON ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT FEATURES. YOU KNOW WHETHER YOU DO CHICANES WHETHER YOU DO STOP SIGNS WHETHER YOU DO THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS THAT PEOPLE TELLS PEOPLE WHAT THEY'RE SLOW HUSBY THERE FASTER GOING. WE FOUND THAT THE SPEED TABLE WAS THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND SLOWING THEM DOWN AND FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. SO I WON'T TELL YOU THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT. A COUPLE OF THINGS WE DO RUN INTO ON SPEED TABLES WHEN YOU HAVE BASICALLY THE IT'S NOT SO MUCH. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A PROBLEM. IT'S REALLY THE FIRST RESPONDERS WHEN THEY HAVE PEOPLE IN THE AMBULANCES, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, WHEN I GO UP AND DOWN OVER, ONE OF THOSE THERE IS SHAKING THE PERSON IN THE BACK. AND SO FORTH. SO THOSE ARE THEIR THAT IS TYPICALLY COME . WHATEVER WE WOULD DO HERE IT WOULD BE BASED ON THE SPEED LIMIT. IT WOULD BE. IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SO ABRUPT. OKAY THAT PEOPLE WOULD THAT WE WOULD SHAKE UP THE PERSON ON THE BACK OF AN AMBULANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT THE POINT THAT'S THE CRITICISM WE GET. ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE JUST PROVIDE THE RIGHT SPEED TABLE FOR THE RIGHT SPEED AND SO FORTH. 25 MPH CORRECT. IT'S PRETTY PRETTY SLOW IN HERE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE DRIVING SO WELL, THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROBLEM. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? BEFORE WE GOT OUT. WE GO TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK. THOSE OKAY, SO DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? THERE IS NOBODY WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A GREEN CARD. BUT COME ON UP NOW AND THEN FILL OUT A GREEN CARD AFTERWARDS. SO THERE YOU GO, SIR. COME ON UP STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. DUNCAN STEWART I LIVE ON SPEAK INTO THE MIC SO I CAN HEAR YOU, DUNCAN STEWART. I LIVE IN STUART. I LIVE ON FIFTH. A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. FIRST OF ALL FIFTH STREET IS THE SHORTCUT FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE LATE TO WORK ON ALL THOSE COMMERCIAL PLACES OF LONG BETWEEN FIFTH STREET. AN OCEAN. AND. THEY DON'T SLOW DOWN IN THE MORNING, AND IT'LL STILL DOWN IN THE EVENING. THEY'RE USING THE FIFTH SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND FACE THE STOP SIGN. PALM BEACH AND OCEAN. IT'S A SIMPLE SHORTCUT. LET'S GO FAST. THERE'S NO REASON BLOW THE STOP SIGN. THERE'S NOTHING HAPPENING. THEY DON'T PLEASE THAT AREA. MY FIRST COMMENT. THE SECOND ONE WAS AND SUPPORT OF. THOSE RESIDENTS FURTHER TO THE WEST FIFTH STREET. AND IT WAS RAISED THAT THERE IS A POWER LINE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET. WHICH WOULD INTERFERE WITH HAVING SHADE TREES IN THE SAME PLACE. AND COOLING THAT AREA. AND, UM, I. I SUPPORT THE HOMEOWNERS OVER COMMERCIAL INTERESTS IN THAT. COMMERCIAL HOURS ARE 9 TO 5. THEY GO HOME TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE IT'S NOT BEING DISTURBED. THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE SHOULD HAVE . SIDEWALK ON THERE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, FRANKLY, BECAUSE IT'S A ONE TIME EXPENSE, AND THEY IMPACT IS FOREVER ON THE RESIDENTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND SO THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT THEIR POSITION. TWO. HAVE A SIDEWALK ON THAT. NORTH SIDE OF FIFTH STREET. UM. THAT'S ALL I CAN THINK OF RIGHT NOW. THANKS YOU SAID YOU JUST CALLED THE NAMES. ERIC WIKSTROM. HELLO MY

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I'M NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF MAKING THE STREETS THINNER. YOU KNOW, IT'S UM LOT OF TRAFFIC GOES THROUGH THERE. YOU REDUCE IT TO 8 FT. BARELY GONNA BE ROOM FOR TWO CARS TO PASS AND YOU GET LANDSCAPING TRUCKS GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE ALL THE TIME. PERSONALLY I KIND OF LIKE THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE IT'LL SPRUCE UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I FEEL BAD FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE DOWN THERE HIGH SCHOOL BOULEVARD ACROSS FROM COTTON AND ASSOCIATES. THEY HAVE ALMOST ZERO FRONT YARD, ALMOST ZERO PARKING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IF WE'RE GOING TO CUT DOWN A BUNCH OF ARICA POEMS AND PUT A SIDEWALK AND THEY JUST HAVE NOWHERE TO PARK SO PROBABLY BE AGAINST THE SIDEWALK ALTOGETHER. BUT WHATEVER THE BOARD THINKS. THANK YOU. YOU SAY? MISS LESLIE HARLAND. SORRY I MISPRONOUNCED THAT. HI I'M LESLIE HAVILLAND. I OWN ALL THE PROPERTIES ON HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD. SO 600, SOUTH EAST HISTORY 515517 AND 50. 15517 AND FIVE OR SEVEN, SO I WALKED TO THE 900 BUILDING BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I WORK. UM, I WALK A LOT FOR WORK, AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE TRAFFIC THERE. UM SO I AM FULLY AGAINST THE TRAFFIC SPEED BUMPS . I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY . UM BUT ALSO I DO. WHEN I SUPPORT MY FELLOW PEOPLE AT THE END OF THE STREET. UM ALTHOUGH I DON'T MIND THE SIDEWALKS BEING IN MY YARD ON 600. I DEFINITELY DON'T MIND. YOU GUYS PUTTING THEM ALL IN ON HIGH SCHOOL? UM IT'S REALLY NOT FAIR TO THEM. THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH. YOU KNOW, ROOM TO PARK THEIR CARS. I KNOW THEY HAD A PETITION AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T SIGN THE PETITION BECAUSE I DIDN'T MIND IT IN MY YARD. BUT IT'S REALLY NOT FAIR TO THEM TO TAKE AWAY THOSE PARKING SPOTS FOR THEM WHEN WE DO HAVE COMMERCIAL, I'M ASSUMING THE REASON WHY THEY WON'T TAKE THEM. THE PARKING SPOTS AWAY FROM COMMERCIAL AND THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET IS BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE THEY'RE USING AS HANDICAPPED PARKING SPOTS, WHICH THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO OPERATE THEIR BUSINESS, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS CAN ANSWER THAT OR NOT, BUT, UM THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO SAID AND MR JOHN CHURCH. 7 28 SOUTHEAST SHIPMAN.

UM. I HAVE A STOP SIGN RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF BALBOA AND STATEMENT, AND YOU CAN PUT AS MANY STOP SIGNS AS YOU WANT. I WATCHED THE SCHOOL BOARD EMPLOYEES RUN MY STOP SIGN EVERY DAY, AND THERE'S KIDS. WRITE IT ON MY CORNER. AND I'VE ASKED HIM TO STOP SEVERAL TIMES. THEY STILL ROLL THE STOP SIGN. THEY DON'T STOP. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH SPEED BUMPS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALL. ULTIMATELY THE RESULT. MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WILL BE CAMERAS ON EVERY CORNER AND EVERYBODY GET A TICKET. UM AND MAYBE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO ENFORCE IT. THEN PEOPLE SLOW DOWN AS FAR AS THE FIFTH STREET THING, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT INVOLVED IN THAT. UM IF I LOOK AT THE NORTH END OF THE FIFTH STREET, IT'S ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE PROPOSED SIDEWALK. IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT SO ON THE EAST SIDE, IT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE. PEOPLE HAVE TO CROSS WILL THEY HAVE TO CROSS ACROSS THE STREET TO CATCH THAT OTHER SIDEWALK ON THE PROVIDING CROSSWALK. SO IS THAT NOT CONTINUOUS OR NOT? IT WOULD BE WITH THE WITH THE CROSSWALK THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO CROSS HAVE TO WITH A CROSS ON A DIAGONAL ACROSS THE STREET. NO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WOULD CROSS AT CORTEZ. DO YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS FOR US ? THAT'S A FOUR WAY STOP RECENT.

I'M YOU KNOW, I KIND OF SUPPORT THE PEOPLE HAVING IT ON THE NORTH SIDE AS WELL. BUT THE ONLY THING I'M THINKING IS, WOULDN'T IT BE A CONTINUOUS SIDEWALK IF IT KEPT GOING STRAIGHT ACROSS THAT RATHER THAN CROSSING AND THEN CROSSING AGAIN. RIGHT UM, WELL, THAT'S THAT'S THE

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OH, I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M UP HERE AFTER 40 YEARS OF AVOIDED EVER COMING BEFORE A BOARD WHERE I LIVE, BUT NOW YOU SAY THIS. YEAH I DO. NOT. SO, UM. I LIVE EAST OF CORTEZ AND, UM, WE DEFINITELY HAVE A DRAINAGE PROBLEM. MY NEIGHBORS HERE WE HAVE FAILING ASPHALT RIGHT NOW. I TOLD HIM BEFORE HE SEEN MY PICTURES, SO I DON'T SEE ANY DRAINAGE ISSUE THERE, BUT YOU'RE FEELING THERE . MANY ASKED ALL THESE BREAKING OFF AND FALLING ON THE STREET RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LIKE THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. ALSO WITH REGARD TO THE SIDEWALK. LOOK I WALK ON THE STREET FOUR OR FIVE TIMES A WEEK. I COULD I DON'T CARE WHETHER YOU PUT A SIDEWALK ON THE PROPERTY OR NOT ON THE PROPERTY. BUT I WILL SAY. IF I BROUGHT YOU 900 BUILDINGS, AND I DIDN'T HAVE A BUFFER ALONG COURT ALONG FIFTH STREET, YOU WOULD SAY THIS IS NO. SO IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT ON THE NORTH SIDE, I THOUGHT REAL HARD TO GET THE DUMPSTERS OFF OF FISH STREET. I DON'T WANT TO SEE GRAPES TAKEN DOWN AND I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT THE SIDEWALK IN THERE. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S FREE. YOU MAY BY HIS HOUSE. DON'T ON MY SIDE. SORRY I'M JUST POINTING OUT THE HOUSE NEXT TO O'BRIEN'S. THEY HAVE ROOM. THEY HAVE ROOM TO PUT THIS THE SIDEWALK THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT THEY DO NOT WANT YOU GO EAST OF THERE. IT'S THE CIGARETTES ARE BASICALLY UP AGAINST THE I'M CUTTING THEM DOWN MYSELF BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING THEM. UM SO I DON'T. AND I ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THE SPEED TABLES ANYWHERE. THEY DO NOTHING TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE CAUSE MORE PEOPLE TO BURN MORE FUEL AND MAKE A LOT OF THE WAYS FOR EVERYBODY ON THE STREET. THEY WON'T SLOW ANYBODY DOWN THERE. JUST SLOW DOWN RIGHT THERE IN THE KNEE SPEED BACK UP. I WOULD BE MUCH BETTER WITH THE NARROW LANES IF YOU WANT TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO SAID IF YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS COME ON UP AND THEN FILL OUT A GREEN CARD, PLEASE. MY NAME IS CULLEN CAST ANOTHER 1/5 STREET. SO I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS, AND EVERYONE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT WE'VE BEEN KIND OF A TOUGH NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S BEEN NICE THAT WE'VE ALL KIND OF GOTTEN TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THIS. I LIVE ON THE WEST END, SO WE ARE THE HOUSES THAT ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED. UM MY HOUSE. WE HAVE 29 FT OF FRONT YARD. AND IF WE'RE TAKING A 9 FT. EASEMENT WITH THE SIDEWALK. YOU'RE REALLY INHIBITING THE AMOUNT OF PARKING WE HAVE. ONCE YOU START MOVING FURTHER EAST, THE NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST OF ME DIRECTLY. HE'S GOT AN RV PART. IT'S ALMOST TO THE ROAD. SO YOU TAKE 9 FT. OF THAT. YOU'RE GONNA DRASTICALLY DECREASES PARKING. HE'S ONLY GOT ONE PARKING SPOT FROM HIS HOUSE NOW, SO HE'S CURRENTLY PARKING IN THE STREET SO THAT WILL BE LEAVING THERE WILL BE ELIMINATED. IF YOU GO ONE MORE EAST, THAT GENTLEMAN PARKS HIS VAN RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE . AND IF YOU TAKE 9 FT. I MEAN, I'VE GOT PICTURES OF IT. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT GENTLEMAN IS GETTING HIS CAR IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE. SO WE JUST WE ASK THE COMMERCIAL IMPACT. I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIGNAGE. IT'S WOODEN SIGNS. I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME LANDSCAPING. A LOT OF IT IS PERMANENT PARKING. UM I CAN GIVE YOU A LIST OF THEIRS. TWO HOMES. THAT'S THE SIDE OF THE HOME. THERE'S ONE THAT'S THE BACK OF A BUSINESS. THERE'S ONLY FIVE ON THAT ENTIRE STRIP OR ACTUALLY THE FRONT OF A BUSINESS. THERE'S A GIANT EMPTY LOT IS 182 FT. THERE'S TWO FRONTS OF HOMES. THERE ARE SIX SIDES OF BUSINESSES AND THERE'S ONE V R B O SO BUT YOU'RE DIRECTLY AFFECTING 22 RESIDENTS THAT HAVE LIVED HERE FOR A LONG TIME. AND IT'S JUST WE'VE BEEN TO ALL THESE MEETINGS. WE'VE GOT A PETITION SIGNED BY 20 RESIDENTS . ALMOST EVERYONE WE SPOKE TO MINUS A FEW PEOPLE WHO

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THAT BEING SAID STILL. IT'S GONNA BE A BAD SCENARIO FOR ABOUT 11. HOMEOWNERS HAVE TO SIDEWALKS ON THAT SIDE. SO NOW I'M LOOKING AT THE NORTH SIDE. AND THERE'S NO GOOD REASON TO TAKE OUT THE BUFFER. WHAT'S THAT BIG BUILDING ON THE CORNER? WHAT'S IT CALLED? YEAH THERE'S NO DISEASE. NO THERE'S NO REASON TO TAKE OUT THAT EXISTING BUFFER. UH, AND THEN AND THEN WHEN YOU WHEN YOU DRIVE UP AND DOWN THAT STREET THERE'S SO MUCH MATURE LANDSCAPING ON THE ON THE NORTH SIDE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. THAT. I WOULDN'T WANT TO MESS WITH ANY OF THAT EITHER. SO I'M ALL FOR WE CAN LIVE WITHOUT A SIDEWALK ON THIS STREET BECAUSE THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON STATEMENT, THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD. AND IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GO OUT AND USE THE SIDEWALK, YOU HAVE YOUR OPTIONS IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET FROM PALM BEACH ROAD TO HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE. UH, YEAH, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO ACT ON THIS AT ALL. THAT'S ALL I GOT ON THE SIDEWALKS. WELL AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. DID THE RESIDENTS WANT SIDEWALKS OR IS THAT JUST SORT OF OUR PLANNING? BECAUSE WHEN THEY CAME BACK IN IN 2017, AND WE MADE THIS PART OF THE C R A I MET WITH WHEN I WAS A COMMISSIONER. I MET WITH SOME OF THESE RESIDENTS. AND THEY NEVER WANTED SIDEWALKS. SO I'M JUST. I JUST AS SOON LEAVE THEM ALONE ON THESE STREETS AND YOU KNOW, MOVE ON AND MAKE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, SPEND MONEY TO MAKE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT IT. I DON'T SEE WHY WE NEED TO PUT THEM ON THE SOUTH SIDE OR THE NORTH SIDE. SO THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT. AND IF ANYONE ELSE FEELS THIS. I KNOW FRANK FEELS THE SAME AND BUT I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE MESSING AROUND. WITH PETE WITH PEOPLE'S NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T WANT TO BE MESSED WITH. SIMPLE AS THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DON'T WANT SIDEWALK AT ALL. OR JUST THAT FIFTH STREET. OKAY WE'RE GONNA TAKE A QUICK POLL. THERE'S. USE ANYBODY CARE WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA SIDEWALK OR NOT? YOU WANT A SIDEWALK LIKE TO CALL UP TO THE PODIUM. STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN, PLEASE. I'M LESLIE HAVE LYNN IF YOU PUT SIDEWALKS ON HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE ON MY SIDE OF THE STREET, I WOULD BE VERY APPRECIATIVE. THANK YOU. BUT I DON'T CARE IF YOU PUT A SIDEWALK ON FIRST STREET, WHICH IS WHERE I LIVE. YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING, OR OKAY? SO I'M GONNA I'M GONNA LEAVE IT THAT WAY. I KNOW OTHER PEOPLE. WELL I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT BECAUSE 2017 IS A LONG TIME TO 2023. BUT STEP STEP IN WHERE THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY HATED SIDEWALKS WHEN I DID MY MEETING SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE SAME PEOPLE LIVE THERE ANYMORE OR NOT, OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? SORRY TO CLARIFY . ARE WE TALKING ABOUT NO SIDEWALKS AT ALL? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? LEAVE IT ALONE FOR NOW, AND WE CAN REVISIT THAT AND A LATER DATE. YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, SIR? YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A CARD. SHE ALREADY DID. OKAY. PETER BERGEN ON SIXTH STREET, YOU HAVE TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. FEAR WHERE

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THAT NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY DOES NOT WANT TO SIDEWALKS. UM WE HAVE TO REFER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL, FRANK. YEP THAT'S MY OPINION. WE DON'T NEED SIDEWALKS THERE RIGHT NOW, AT THIS POINT, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE GONNA IF THERE IS REDEVELOPMENT ON THE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE THEY'LL BE PUTTING IN SIDEWALKS ANYWAYS AND AGAIN. OBVIOUSLY THE 11 PEOPLE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. BUT THE NUMBER. NOT JUST LAND, NOT JUST BUFFER STUFF, BUT THERE ARE SOME HUGE MATURE OAKS ON THAT NORTH SIDE. I'M SORRY THAT THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AND YEAH. I DON'T SEE WHERE WE MESS WITH ANY OF THAT. OKAY? SO WELL CRAP THE MOTION COMMITTED BUT LET'S GO.

THAT ALSO FREES UP SOME MONEY TO DO OTHER THINGS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN TOO EXPENSIVE BEFORE. THE SIDEWALKS OUT OF IT. SURE THAT YOU MEAN THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS. WHICH I THINK ARE MORE IMPORTANT. THEN ALMOST ANYTHING ELSE. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DRAINAGE NEXT. DO YOU WANT TO PROVIDE THE COST FOR THAT DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS PROVIDED SOME ESTIMATE? IT'S ABOUT $3.3 MILLION. WELCOME THAT MUCH, SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT FRONT. UH, SO I UNDERSTAND, MR QUASARS. OH, YOU MAYBE DISAPPOINT. IT'S JUST BIG TRUCK. UH BUT TALKING ABOUT DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DRAINAGE ISSUES? BESIDES WHAT WITH MR PLASZOW SUGGESTED JOE HAD THAT IN HIS PRESENTATION. DID YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT LITTLE BIT? THAT WAS COVERED. FEEL THAT NOT NOT SPEAKING ABOUT MR JUST ONE PARTICULAR RIGHT. BUT SPEAKING ABOUT JOE'S WHETHER YOU ALREADY HAS IN THE PLAN. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. I THINK THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM IS THIS A GRANT PROJECT? IS THIS BEING FUNDED OUT OF THE SIERRA BUDGET? WHAT'S THE CURRENTLY IT WILL BE IN THE SIERRA BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024. UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR, SO THIS WOULD BE IN THE BUDGET AS AN ITEM. RIGHT 3.3 MILLION FOR THIS DRAINAGE. OKAY AND THEN AS THE C R A DIRECTOR OR YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT 3.3 MILLION BEING IN THE BUDGET OR YES, YES. I MEAN, IT WILL BALANCE THEN I MEAN, BUT IT WILL TAKE AWAY FROM SOMETHING ELSE WILL BE A BIG PROJECT NEXT YEAR . WE DO HAVE OTHER PROJECTS, BUT WE'RE RECEIVING GRANTS FOR THOSE PROJECTS LIKE THE RIVERSIDE PARK IMPROVEMENTS. UM THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER ONES THAT WE HAVE GRANTS FOR. IT WILL BE JUST $3.3 MILLION CAPITAL CAPITAL EXPENDITURE OUT OF THE CR V. C. R A THE ACTUAL TIFF REVENUE, RIGHT? YEAH HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT GOING TO THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON COUNCIL FOR THAT? FOR THE GRANTS. MHM WE CAN LOOK INTO DIFFERENT GRANT OPPORTUNITIES FOR DRAINAGE. YEAH. WE HAVE OUR GRANT ADMINISTRATORS TAKING NOTES. I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE I YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THAT

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THAT ONE MARILYN IT FLOODS. IT BASICALLY HAS NO PLACE TO GO ALSO SO THAT ONE THERE, BUT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT ONE TO DRAIN SOMEWHERE GOING TO FIX THAT ONE RIGHT ABOUT THE SAME ONE. WOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS ONE HAS A SOLUTION. SO THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE THIS ONE.

HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, RECOMMENDING THAT WE GO AHEAD WITH THE DRAINAGE PROJECTS. OKAY NOW, THE DIFFICULT ONE MY OPINION SPEED. THE SPEED BUMPS OR DOING AROUND ABOUT OR. STOP SIGNS. SO FRANK, YOU GO FIRST THIS TIME. YES BOSS. SPEED BUMPS ARE A SCOURGE. TO HUMANITY.

THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT EQUAL OPPORTUNITY OFFENDERS. IF I'M DRIVING MY LOWLY LITTLE 2000 18 REV. FOUR I HAVE TO SLOW DOWN. IF I'M A. MARTIN COUNTY POLITICIAN DRIVING A $85,000 ISSUE V. IT'S JUST A MOSQUITO BITE. I'M OUT OF THERE. SO YEAH . ALSO I WISH THE GREENIES WOULD GET ON BOARD WITH THIS. AND MR QUASI THOSE. THERE'S A FIRST TIME ANYONE EVER SAID IT, AND I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT FOREVER. THE AMOUNT OF GAS. WORLDWIDE USED. BY SLOWING DOWN AND SPEEDING UP AGAIN BECAUSE I CAN I CAN MILK. I CAN MILK SOME MILEAGE IF I WANT TO. BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY IF THEIR SPEED BUMPS SO THAT'S SO THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT SPEED BUMPS ANYWHERE THEY DON'T WORK ANYWAYS. ALSO IN THIS SCENARIO. IF WE PUT SPEED BUMPS ON FIFTH THEN WE HAVE TO PUT THEM ON STATEMENT BECAUSE YOU WILL BE DOING THE PEOPLE INSTANT MONEY, EH? THIS SERVICE BECAUSE ANYBODY WASN'T DOESN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH SPEED BUMPS ON FIFTH IS GOING TO

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WELCOME TO THE CLUB. YEAH. SO I JUST TRY TO WALK MY DOG SOME DAYS AND IT TAKES ME ABOUT FIVE OR SEVEN MINUTES JUST TO GET ACROSS THE ROAD BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S ZIPPING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD AS FAST AS THEY WANT TO, UM I LIKED SPEED BUMPS. I LIKE THE BIG SPEED BUMPS THAT THEY PUT IN BECAUSE THEY WERE REALLY HIGH AND THEY CAUSED A LOT OF DAMAGE AND THEY SLOW DOWN CARS, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY GOOD. I KNOW IT'S SINISTER IN THAT WAY, BUT, UM YEAH, EVEN LIKE YOU SAID PEOPLE THEY FLY OVER THOSE SPEED BUMPS BONUS FAST OR SLOW AS THEY WANT TO, UM AND THEN IF I SLOW DOWN FOR THE SPEED BUMP SOMEBODY THAT FEELS LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE TO JUST GOES AROUND ME AS FAST AS THEY WANT TO BLAZING DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, 35 40 MILES AN HOUR AND A 25 MILE AN HOUR ZONE RANGE SO I SEE IT DAILY. AND I KNOW IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING. UM I KNOW STOP SIGNS WOULD POSSIBLY POTENTIALLY TELL PEOPLE TO STOP . YOU HAD TO GO OUT THERE AND TELL THEM TO STOP ANYWAYS. FOR STOP SIGNS. UM MOST PEOPLE JUST KIND OF ROLL ON THROUGH THEM.

I'M PROBABLY GUILTY OF ROLLING THROUGH EVERY NOW AND THEN. UM BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU CAN GET DOWN TO THE BUMPS OR THE DOTS. EXCUSE ME, WITH THE LITTLE CENTER POST THERE TO KEEP PEOPLE JUST FROM BLAZING THROUGH AND ACTUALLY HAPPEN TO GO AROUND AND DO SOME MANEUVERING. UM I'M NOT BIG ON NARROWING THE STREETS BECAUSE I THINK MAYBE THAT WOULD CAUSE MORE INCIDENTAL ACCIDENTS WITH PEOPLE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROADS THEMSELVES. UM SO WHEN THAT TERM MAYBE IT'S A COMBINATION OF THINGS THAT COULD HELP DETERMINE SLOW DOWN. MAYBE NOT JUST ONE THING TO FIX EVERYTHING, BECAUSE , LIKE YOU SAY, IF YOU STOP FIFTH AND THEY GO DOWN STEP MAN AND SO FIRST AND YOU'RE MAYBE JUST CHASING YOUR TAIL ON THAT. SO UM, MAYBE SOMETHING TOO COLLECTIVELY AS A WHOLE SLOW DOWN THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA. I LOVE THE IDEA OF MORE. UM POLICE UNITS AROUND POLICING THINGS. WE HAVE A LITTLE SIGN. OVER IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT TELLS PEOPLE HOW FAST OR SLOW THEY'RE GOING.

AND IF IT'S YOUR FIRST TIME GOING THROUGH THERE? YEAH YOU SLOW IT DOWN. BUT IF YOU'RE A REGULAR, LIKE MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE THEY JUST SEE HOW HIGH THEY CAN GET THAT THING ROLLING WHEN THEY GO BY SOMETIMES SO, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF COMMUNITY. UM YOU KNOW, INVOLVEMENT THERE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD WATCHDOG. OR MAYBE SOME PEOPLE CAN REPORT VEHICLES FLYING THROUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, FASTER THAN NORMAL. UM AND SEE IF THAT COULD HELP OUT. OKAY, NICK. YEAH PROBABLY THROW A MONKEY WRENCH INTO THIS, BUT UM AGAIN IF YOU KIND OF DIAL THIS ALL THE WAY BACK TO LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD DO HERE IF NOTHING WAS THERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT CORTEZ WOULD CUT BETWEEN MARTIN LUTHER KING AND EAST OCEAN THE WAY THAT IT DOES, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT FIFTH WOULD CONNECT. TO PALM BEACH ROAD. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN EXPLORED TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW? KIND OF CUTS OFF THESE SHORTCUTS IF YOU WILL. I KNOW LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT MONTEREY ROAD UM, THERE'S UM.

THERE'S SOME ROADS THAT DON'T QUITE CUT THROUGH TO MONTEREY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN TURNED INTO LIKE A PARK OR OR YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE A SPIT OF RIGHT AWAY. THAT DOESN'T HAVE A ROAD IN IT ANYMORE. BUT IF YOU TOOK, YOU KNOW, THE LAST LOOKS LIKE 100, THE SOUTH 100 FT OF CORTEZ OR 50 FT OF CORTEZ AND CUT THAT OFF. AND IF YOU TOOK SOME OF UM, FIFTH STREET THERE AND CUT IT OFF. YOU MIGHT JUST MAKE IT COMPLICATED ENOUGH FOR SOMEONE

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SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? NO, NO. NOW IT'S NOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION AND MOVE ON WITH LIFE. GO AHEAD. COME ON UP. ALREADY FILLED OUT A FORM. PETER GIRVAN AND SIXTH STREET. ONE AREA THAT REALLY NEEDS TO STUFF SIGNINGS OF THE CORNER. CORTEZ STEPPING THERE'S BEEN. FENDER BENDER AFTER FENDER BENDER OVER THE YEARS THERE, AND IT REALLY NEEDS SOMETHING TO STOP THAT TRAFFIC ON YOUR CROSS SIX STREET. SO WE CAN'T REALLY SEE IT. DO WE HAVE AROUND ABOUT THAT? WAS IT? WHAT DOES IT'S NO, NO, WE DON'T HAVE. SO IF EVERYONE'S AGREED TO THAT, I THINK WE COULD PUT A STOP SIGN THERE BECAUSE THAT IS A BIT. THAT'S THAT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO SIGN ON SKIPPING AND CORTEZ HAS THE RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. IT DOESN'T MAKE IT A FOUR WAY STOP.

SO I THINK WE MAKE THAT A FOUR WAY STOP BECAUSE THAT IS A BIT BUSIER INTERSECTION WITH THE ROUNDABOUT OR JUST THERE'S NO ROUNDABOUT, RIGHT, SO JUST THE AND NO ROUNDABOUT ROUNDABOUT WHEN WE HAD WHERE IT'S ON YOUR PLAN. OKAY AS SHOWN ON THE THREE INTERSECTION, CORTEZ STATEMENT AND CORTEZ AND THEN I THINK THAT WAS 16 CORTEZ. SO THOSE 33 WOULD DO ROUNDABOUT BUT STOP SIGNS ONLY ON STEADMAN AND PROTEST. YEAH, AND YOU SAID NO. HE WAS ASKING IF THERE WAS ONE OF THE PLAN AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT CURRENT. UM THE PLAN JUST SHOWED JUST ONE TYPICAL ROUNDABOUT THAT WE WOULD ADD AT THE THREE INTERSECTION. SO THEN WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHERE TO PUT THEM.

RIGHT SO THIS IS JUST SHOWING THE TYPICAL UM, TRAFFIC CIRCLE OR ROUNDABOUT. SO, JESS, WE WOULD DISCUSS WHERE WE WANT TO PUT THIS JESSICA CORTEZ AS THE EXAMPLE, THOUGH, OKAY, SO

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PALM CITY ROAD THEY'VE HAD STOP SIGNS. SPEED BUMPS TAKE OUT THE SPEED BUMPS FOLLOWING THE STOP SIGNS. THERE'S ONLY THREE INTERSECTIONS ON CORTEZ SERIES THREE ROUNDABOUTS CORTEZ WOULD GIVE A NICE FEATURE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A PARK LIKE SETTING BECAUSE THERE'S NOT THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THERE WOULD BE OUT HERE GOING AROUND LIKE CRAZY.

AND I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION. ARE WE STILL DOING THREE WAY STOP SIGNS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF, LIKE WHERE YOU SEE THOSE? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. DON'T DO THREE WAY STOP SIGNS STOP SIGNS, EXCEPT THAT QUARTET WAS A QUARTET FIFTH WE COULD ALWAYS PUT THEM IN LATER. CORTEZ AND WE'RE WHERE CORTEZ AND STEADMAN WILL HAVE FOUR WAY STOP SIGNS. CORRECT OKAY, GETTING AROUND AND ROUNDABOUT ROUNDABOUT ? YEAH AROUND ABOUT UP THERE AT THE SAME PLACE. CORRECT. RIGHT AND THEN WE'LL DO ROUNDABOUT ONLY ON THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH END ENGINEER IT'LL BE FINE. AH SO DO YOU WANT TO CRAFT THE MOTION? SOMEONE LET'S TALK, NICK , YOU'RE VERY GOOD AT THIS SIDEWALKS FIRST AND JUST GO RIGHT DOWN THE LINE, SO WE'LL MAKE A MOTION. TO NOT DO ANY SIDEWALKS EXCEPT ON THE EAST SIDE OF HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE. AND WE WILL MAKE A MOTION. TWO. USE ROUNDABOUTS TO CONTROL TRAFFIC ON CORTEZ. AND STOP SOMETHING. THERE'S THREE INTERSECTIONS ON CORTEZ, AND IF ALL OF THEM GET AROUND ABOUT THEN THERE'S NO NEED FOR STOP SIGNS ON CORTEZ.

OKAY, SO THE MOTION IS TO INSTALL SIDEWALKS ON THE EAST SIDE OF HIGH SCHOOL AND EXPLORE ROUNDABOUTS ON QUARTETS. EXPLORE OR DO. I RECOMMEND DOING RECOMMEND RECOMMEND COST EFFECT , YOU KNOW, COST BENEFIT ON ROUNDABOUTS ON CORTEZ. AND WHAT ABOUT DRAINAGE? AND TO APPROVE THE DRAINAGE AS OR RECOMMEND THE DRAINAGE AS IT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED. FRANK, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO YEAH, IF I CAN. WHY DON'T YOU SAY WHY DON'T YOU? WHY DON'T YOU HELP DO THAT WITH YOUR SECOND? NEGATIVE AH, LET ME GET A SECOND TO THE MOTION SO WE CAN DISCUSS THEM. OKAY VERY GOOD.

FRANKIE WANT TO DISCUSS THE MOTION? SO EXPLORING AROUND ABOUT, I WOULD HOPE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE GIVE THE SAME CONSIDERATION TO THE RESIDENTS. THAT WE GAVE THEM JUST NOW. AS FAR AS THE SIDEWALKS ON ON FIFTH. UM YOU KNOW, I HAVE. I'M GUILTY OUT.

CONSIDER IT GUILTY. I HAVE CROSSED FROM MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD. OVER EAST OCEAN. I'M CORTEZ PROBABLY. 10,000 TIMES. AND I HAVE NEVER RUN ACROSS ANOTHER CAR ON THAT ROAD AT THE SAME TIME. I MEAN, I HAVEN'T AND UH, SO ANYWAYS, AS FAR AS ROUNDABOUTS. LET'S SAVE THE

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ALRIGHT I OH, NO, WE'RE DOWN A MEMBER AWAY. JUST KEEP GOING. KEEP GOING. OKAY, GREAT. ALRIGHT

[4. UPDATE TO EAST STUART MASTER PLAN]

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UM AND THEN WE ALSO LISTED OUT FUNDING FOR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT RESOURCE IS ALSO LISTED THERE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR ACQUIRING HOME FOR DAMPING ASSISTANCE OR IMPROVING EXISTING STRUCTURES IS THERE AS WELL. UM SO I WENT THROUGH THAT PRETTY QUICKLY IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO PLEASE LET ME KNOW THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION . WE'RE HOPING TO GO BACK TO THE TO THE C, R A AND THE COMMISSION ON THEIR JOINT MEETING. UM AND SO WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO GO FORWARD. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. WE JUST HAD A LONG MEETING WITH THE NEW HISTORICAL HISTORICAL. YOU PRESENTED THE SAME PLAN. HMM. SO WHAT ARE YOU ASKING US TO DO? AND WHAT ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO FOR, SAY? UM WELL, WE'RE ASKING THIS BOARD TO ACTUALLY ADOPT THE RESOLUTION SO WE CAN USE THIS MASTER PLAN AS A GUIDE TO IDENTIFY PROJECTS AND, UM, ALLOCATE FUNDS IN THE FUTURE. UM TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THE PROJECTS. UM SO THIS WILL BE USED AS A GUIDE. THE PREVIOUS GROUP WAS ASKED TO JUST PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK ON HOW WE CAN PRESERVE THE HISTORY OF EASTWARD IN IN SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED. GIVE YOU ANY FEEDBACK TODAY? THEY WANT TO BRING THIS ITEM BACK AND DISCUSS FURTHER, SO WE'LL BRING IT BACK. THAT'S REALLY WE COULD DO OUR THING WITHOUT RIGHT? YEAH, THEM RIGHT? OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR JESSICA THEN? THIS ONE. YES. IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU MEANT AND I YOU'RE GOING PRETTY FAST, BUT I HEARD THE WORD ALLEYWAY. AND FLUSHING IN THE SAME SENTENCE. FORCED OUT THE ALLEYWAYS. FLESH OUT THE WHAT DOES AM I AM I NOT A LINGO HERE? NO NO, THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY MY OWN STRANGE LINGO THERE. UM NO, THE SOME OF THOSE RIGHT RIGHT OF WAYS. THEY'RE ONLY 10 FT WIDE, SO THEY THEY'RE NOT QUITE WIDE ENOUGH FOR IMPROVEMENT. WE'D LIKE TO HAVE 15 TO 12 FT FOR IMPROVEMENT. UM AND RIGHT NOW, SOME OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY BEING USED AS ALLEYS SO THEY WOULD BE PERFECT CANDIDATES FOR YOU KNOW, THE C THEORY IN THE CITY TO START TALKING TO THEM LIKE HEY, LET'S LET'S MAKE THIS A REAL VARIETY OF WAY. MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THIS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY BEING USED BY 90% OF THE PEOPLE ON THE BLOCK THAT WAY ANYWAYS, RIGHT FOR WHAT THEY ARE POSSIBLE PLACES TO WALK THROUGH AND MAKE THEM WIDER. IN THAT CASE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE 2 FT RIGHT EXACTLY SO THAT THEY COULD. THEY COULD HAVE TRASH PICKUP ON THE REAR OF THEIR PROPERTY WHEN THEY HAVE TRASH PICKUP ON THE REAR OF YOUR PROPERTY, AND IT OPENS UP THE SIDEWALK FOR BETTER WALK ABILITY. FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE PARKING IN THE REAR OF YOUR PROJECT, RATHER THAN THE FRONT OF YOUR PROJECT HELPS TO DISPERSE. BIG PARKING LOTS. IT'S JUST MAKE BETTER USE OF WHAT'S THERE. EXACTLY EXACTLY . YEAH AND THEN SOME OF THEM ARE OVERGROWN. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE FLUSH OUT THE FLESH COME FLUSH OUT. LANGUAGE CAME OVER LIKE I'M I'M I'M CUTTING DOWN.

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UM SOME OF THEM HAVEN'T BEEN AS ENGAGED, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS. WE REACH OUT WE REACH OUT. WE REACH OUT AND THEN SOMETIMES PEOPLE CALL US BACK. AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.

UM YOU KNOW AGAIN, IT'S PRIMARILY AN UPDATE OF WHAT ALREADY WAS ON THE BOOKS, YOU KNOW, AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE ON THE LARGER, PERSONAL PERSONAL DOWN HERE UM. WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY RIGHTS. THE CODE HAS ALREADY BEEN UPDATED. UM YOU KNOW, WE CHANGED THE PICTURE A LITTLE BIT TO SHOW THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING A YIELD OF ABOUT 30 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY GET MUCH CLOSER TO 78, WHICH IS WHAT'S ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, BY RIGHT WITH THEIR CODE. SO UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AN ILLUSTRATION THAT GETS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO WHAT A DEVELOPER WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT. YEAH, AND I MEAN, THAT KIND OF TOUCHES ON THE QUESTION. AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT THIS PRESCRIBES DOESN'T LIKE IT DOESN'T RUN WITH THE LAND. IT DOESN'T CREATE ANYTHING THAT IF I WALK INTO THE PLANNING AND ZONING OFFICE. THEY'RE GOING TO SAY OH, NO, NO, NO. YOU KNOW THIS PRODUCT THIS THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE CALLS FOR THIS. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU DO. I MEAN, IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK TO THE APPLICANT LIKE WE WERE LOOKING MORE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN APPLICATION THAT DOESN'T MEET CODE. WE WERE LOOKING A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THIS RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF WHY WE WERE LIKE, WELL, WE CAN'T UPDATE THE CODE UNTIL WE START REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT'S ON THE GROUND. HOW CAN WE TEST IT? WE DON'T WANT TO DRAW DON'T WANNA MAKE CODES THE CAN'T BE TESTED, RIGHT? OH, TO THE GARY PLAZA. 17 AND YOU LOOK AT BECAUSE I READ THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT, AND I'VE APPRAISED THAT PROPERTY. SO I MEAN, I'VE YOU KNOW, IT'S FAMILIAR TO ME. I THINK IF YOU GO TO THE CODE, IT SAYS THAT NASSAU TERRORISTS WILL BE EXTENDED THROUGH THE PROPERTY . IT SAYS THAT THE CHURCH WILL BE MOVED TO ANOTHER LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY GAS STATION WILL BE BUILT WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF THE GAS STATIONS. NOT EVEN THERE. I MEAN, THERE'S A CONVENIENCE STORE THERE. THERE'S NO GAS STATION THERE, SO IT STARTS TO PRESCRIBE THESE DEVELOPMENT CONCEPTS THAT THAT YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE PERSON THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY WOULD WHATEVER DO AND SO I GUESS I JUST KIND OF HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS. LIKE I LIKE THE IDEA OF THIS PROCESS, ADDRESSING WHAT THE CITY CAN CONTROL BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CAN DO. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH FOLKS WHO WANT TO BE YOU KNOW WHO HAVE LAND WHO WANT TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS AND YOU KNOW BEING DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. I JUST, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE IT'S AT TIMES, THERE'S AN OVERREACH THAT CREATES A STANDARD THAT YOU KNOW, WON'T BE MET WHEN REALITY COMES TO FRUITION, AND THAT'S THAT'S MY FEAR WITH SOME OF THIS STUFF, RIGHT, SO I'M PARTICULAR IN THAT PROJECT AS PART OF THE UPDATE, YOU KNOW, WE REFLECTED BACK THERE IS NO GAS STATION THERE ANYMORE AND THE CONCEPTS ABOUT RELOCATING A CHURCH. YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S THAT'S GONNA ON PROPERTY THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THAT PROPERTY. WE AGREE THAT THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE OVERREACH FOR SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT OR ANYBODY AT THE CITY WOULD NECESSARILY BE BRINGING FORWARD. BUT WHAT WE DO STRESS ON THAT, UM, IN THAT VISIONING OF THAT IN THE UPDATE IS THAT YOU CAN ADD TO THAT PROPERTY OVER TIME, RIGHT? MOST OF IT IS ASPHALT. YOU DON'T NEED ALL THAT PARKING. YOU COULD ADD TO IT OVER TIME. ONE WAY OF DOING THAT. COULD BE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING AN ALLEY, PROVIDING SOME ON STREET PARKING ON THOSE EDGES. I MEAN, I TEND TO DISAGREE. I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT PROPERTY EVERY BUILDING ON THAT SITES REACHED THE END OF ITS ECONOMIC LIFE, AND THAT THING IS GOING TO GET SCRAPED AND THERE'S GONNA BE SOMETHING NEW THAT GETS PUT THERE. YOU KNOW, AND THAT WILL BE THE BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND GOD FORBID THIS PLAN STAND IN THE WAY OF THAT. YOUR MOTHER GARY PLAZA.

YEAH, YEAH, WE ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT. MAYBE I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU KNOW, AND IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY WHEN IT'S JUST A WALK ACROSS THE HALL. BUT IF YOU'RE A DEVELOPER THAT COMES IN AND NOW YOU'RE BEING HELD TO THIS STANDARD. I JUST I TAKE ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, PLANNING SOMEONE'S PROPERTY WITHOUT THEM BEING IN A ROOM FOR IT. EXCUSE ME. WE ACTUALLY PLANNING

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WHAT'S RELEVANT IS THE ON STREET PARKING CONNECTIVITY WITHIN THE SITE, AND THAT'S WHAT THE NARRATIVE HELPS TO DESCRIBE, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE CONCEPT OF THE PLAN. I JUST I DISAGREE WITH ITS BOUNDARIES RIGHT IF THE CITY CONTROLS THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THE CITY WANTS TO SEE THE RIGHT AWAY LOOK LIKE THIS, THEN THEN I THINK LIKE THAT'S AN ATTAINABLE GOAL THAT WE CAN WE CAN LOOK AT. AND INSTEAD OF HAVING 20 THINGS ON THIS LIST, LET'S HAVE FOUR THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU YOU KNOW, TAKE NUMBER 17 AND YOU AND YOU DRAW A PROJECT AND YOU ADD THAT TO A PROJECT LIST. AND YOU HAVEN'T HAD THE PROPERTY OWNER. YOU KNOW, BUY INTO THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE, IT'LL NEVER GET DONE. WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S THE THERE'S A GIVE AND TAKE AND I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S A VERY IT'S A DELICATE SITUATION, BUT ON IF IT'S 17, THE CONCERN IS THAT IF 17 IS NOT ON THE LIST IT'LL GET FORGOTTEN ABOUT AND THAT IT IS DESIRABLE FOR 17 TO BE REDEVELOPED, AND THAT'S KIND OF THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S THE CATALYST. I MEAN, IN A SENSE THAT THE CITY HAS TAKEN AND STEPS TOWARDS MAKING SOMETHING HAPPEN ON THAT SITE AT THIS, YOU KNOW, WE DID TALK TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THEY ASKED US. WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT DO YOU THINK THE COMMUNITY WANTS, AND WE GAVE THEM THAT INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, SO THEY DID WHAT THEY WOULD WITH THAT INFORMATION GETTING INTO SOMETHING THAT IS MORE OR LESS. I AGREE WITH NICK. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TELLING PROPERTY OWNERS WHAT TO DO AT THE SAME TIME. I UNDERSTAND. WHY YOU THE CITY DID WHAT THEY DID WITH THIS AND I WILL TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. I BELIEVE IT AT THAT PERSONALLY. BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET BACK AND FORTH. I'M JUST YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST THIS IS THE COUPLE OF MINUTES THAT I GET A COUPLE OF MINUTES THAT I GET. THANKS FOR BEARING WITH APPRECIATE. NO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS . UM AND WE DO TRY TO KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BOX ANY PROPERTY OWNERS OUT OF SOMETHING CREATIVE AND INTERESTING ABOUT LIKE. SOMEDAY SOME GUY IS GOING TO BUY THAT WALK INTO THE CITY W ELEMENT DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW. NO, NO, SIR, THIS IS WHAT YOU BOUGHT. YOU KNOW, THE GAS STATION THAT DOESN'T EXIST AT CHURCH AND SOME OTHER STUFF. WELL, YOU'LL BE GLAD TO KNOW THE CITY NOW OWNS IT SO YET, NOT YET. YEP. NO, THAT WAS THAT WAS A LOT OF GOOD. AGAIN I MEAN, I SAW THE PRESENTATION BEFORE I SAW YOUR PRESENTATIONS. I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO DO WITH IT. I SORT OF AGREE WITH NICK. I ALSO UNDERSTAND AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG IF I COME IN AND SAID, LIKE TO SWITCH THIS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WAS THE ZONING PROCESS OR SO AGAIN. NONE OF THIS IS ZONING. AND, IN FACT, THE ZONING PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WAS ADOPTED IN FEBRUARY. SO, UM, THIS IS THIS IS LIKE SHOWING OUR WORK ESSENTIALLY LIKE OUR HOMEWORK BEHIND SOME OF THE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO AND ALSO.

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[5. DISCUSSION & DELIBERATION - DOWNTOWN TRAM SYSTEM]

THEY WERE SHORT TERM LONG TERM, SO DO YOU WANT HER TO GO THROUGH DONE? THE BOARD DOESN'T ALREADY DONE IT. IT'S SORT OF IT WAS IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE, AND WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT. PAULA AND HIS TEAM. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE GOALS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED. HI I'M PAULA. I'M IN CHARGE OF THE TRAMS. POLICIES THAT IN CHARGE OF THE TRIMS, UM AS FAR AS THE ADVERTISING. WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT. WE'RE WORKING ON WE REACHED. WE WERE REACHING OUT TO THE COUNTY ON WHAT THEY DO SO WELL. STILL WE'RE STILL GOING OVER SOME OF THEIR STUFF TO SEE WHERE HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE IT FOR OURS TO GET SOMEBODY MAYBE TO SPONSOR TRIM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AS FAR AS THE COLORS WERE WORKING ON THE COLOR, UM, THE MARKETING POLICE TRYING TO GET THE COLOR SO WE'RE GOING TO BE CLOSE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO BE EXACT COLOR WAS SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT SO AS SOON AS THEY CAN GET ME THE INFORMATION WITH THAT COLOR WILL BE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT IF I REMEMBER THE OTHER THREE TRAMPS. WE WERE GOING TO CHANGE THAT COLOR, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE USED FOR. IS THAT CORRECT? WHAT WE WERE DOING THE THREE TRAMS IN THE FLUORESCENT GREEN. TO DO FOR THE ROUTE. NOW JUST KEEP IN MIND WITH THE ROUTE . IF A TRAM GOES DOWN, WE MIGHT NOT BE USING THAT COLOR. SO AND THEN THE OTHER COLORS WE WERE GOING TO USE DEPENDENT ON IF WE GOT ANY SPONSORSHIP. IF ANYBODY WANTED TO DO THEIR OWN TRAM, AND THEN THEY WOULD COME UP WITH THEIR COLOR, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WOULD COME TO THE BOARD AND GET APPROVED. SO WE NEVER REALLY SENTENCE STONE THE OTHER COLORS BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING MORE FOR SPONSORSHIP ON THOSE TRAMS. QUESTIONS ON THAT ISSUE. I THINK WE JUST WANT TO SEE A PROGRAM BROUGHT BACK THIS. THIS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE OFFERING. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING, AND YOU KNOW GOOD JOB. GO GET THE OTHER DISCUSSION EITHER WAS WHERE SHOULD I TRANS SYSTEM NOT JUST THE COLOR IS NOT JUST RAPPING. WHERE SHOULD THE TRAMP SYSTEM GO WITHIN THE C R. A. HOW MUCH TIME YOU GOT? WELL YOU KNOW WHAT I ASKED YOU ALL THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE SO THAT WE COULD THROW SOME IDEAS OUT THERE AND THEN AT SOME POINT IT WOULD CALL. I WAS VISION IN AUGUST IT COMES BACK. WITH THE IDEAS THAT SHE ANEL TELLS US WHAT THOSE IDEAS THAT WE ALL AGREED ON. WE HAVE SOME SOLO FORM AN AGENDA ITEM. EITHER APPROVAL OR NOT TO SEND IT ONTO THE C R A SO FRANK. IF I COULD BACKTRACK A LITTLE I'M NOT SURE . SO THIS TRAM PROGRAM IS THIS A CITY OF STEWART RUN PROGRAM. IT'S OUR IT'S OURS. WASN'T THERE A TIME WHEN WE HAD PRIVATE COMPANIES DOING IT? NO, NEVER ONE POINT HAVING A. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS NEVER REALLY CAME TO FRUITION INITIAL TRAINING PROGRAMS. GRANT FUNDED AND OPERATED. GRAND ACTUALLY SAY. THIS IS A STARTUP. HMM. YEAH, OKAY. OKAY? WE EXTENDED IT OVER TIME. WE STARTED OFF WITH THIS. AND THEN AS WE EXTENDED, WE ACQUIRED MORE GRANTS TO THE

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[01:45:02]

IT'S THAT NO ONE WROTE IT. DAVID DECIDED. WELL HOW ABOUT A PER CALL THERE, THOUGH? INSTEAD WE DID DISCUSS THAT THE ONE THING THAT CAME UP WITH THEIR CALL IS WE WERE AFRAID THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START USING IT AS A TAXI SERVICE MORE THAN I NEED TO GO RATHER THAN TECHNICALLY, THE TRAMS WERE MADE TO BRING PEOPLE INTO DOWNTOWN. IS IT GOING TO BE USED? LIKE IF SOMEBODY CALLS FROM ANY AREA? ARE THEY GOING DOWNTOWN? OR ARE THEY JUST UTILIZING IT? BECAUSE IT'S AN EASY RIGHT. LIKE YOU WOULD SAY, LIKE, HEY, WE'RE PICKING YOU UP. YOU KNOW THESE TEXTURES, STEWART , AND IF YOU GET PICKED UP THERE YOU COME TO CONFUSION CORNER OR , YOU KNOW, CITY OR SINCE YOU ALREADY DO A STOP AT THE HEART, I WAS THINKING MORE ABOUT BRINGING PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THE MEANS. TWO. THE HOSPITAL. WE DO. IF THEY CALL US AND TELL US AGAIN. I YOU KNOW, LIKE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THERE WASN'T MUCH RIDERSHIP. MOST OF THE RIDERSHIP THAT COMES OUT OF E. STEWART IS FROM GERTRUDE WALDRON OR THE LOCAL CHURCHES THERE AND WE ACCOMMODATE THEM, AND WE'VE BEEN ACCOMMODATING THEM IN ANY WAY

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THESE ARE SHORT TRIPS, SO SHORT TRIPS YOU COULD ALWAYS MAKE IT EASIER TO WORK THAN MARTY. THAT DOESN'T HAVE SHORT TRIPS. HAS ANYONE HAD ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS? EVEN FROM THE AUDIENCE? COME ON UP. I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST ABOUT I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST THAT COULD THE TRAM TAKE US TO BUST UPS? SYLVIA STEWART STEWART SPELLED W AND, UM, I'VE WONDERED ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE TO THE BUS. ST BUS STOPS IF THE TRAM COULD COORDINATE SOME, YOU KNOW THAT BE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT THEY WOULD STOP. TRIM DOES CURRENTLY FREQUENT CORPORATE CARD, PLEASE? THE TRIM DOES CURRENTLY FREQUENT KIWANIS PARK AND KAUNAS PARK IS ONE OF THE MARDI BUS STOPS. THE ONLY OTHER STOP THAT IS LOCAL IS THE ONE WHAT WAS JOHNSON? AND, UM, WE DO HAVE A STOP AT THE POST OFFICE AS WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME . THE REASON WE DON'T GO DOWN TO WA WA'S, BECAUSE THE ONLY PLACE THE TRAM CAN TURN AROUND IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. CORRECT TRIP? YEAH RIDERSHIP. WHERE'S THE BATTERY OUT? YEAH, THAT'S THE REASON. THE POST OFFICE PUT THE POST OFFICE STOP WAS PUT ON AN ON CALL WAS BECAUSE WE WERE GOING DOWN THERE FOR ONE PERSON A YEAR. IS THERE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WRITING THE HE SAID. THERE'S A BUS STOP AT QANTAS. IS THERE A DECENT LIKE PICK UP? DROP OFF KIND OF SYNERGY THERE IS THAT JUST A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME FROM KAUNAS PARKER ACTUALLY AT KAUNAS PARK ONCE IN A WHILE, WE'LL GET SOMEBODY THAT'LL TAKE, GET OFF THE BUS AND THEN GET RIGHT ON THE TRIM TO GO DOWN TO DOWNTOWN OR SAY, HEY, I NEED TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL. BUT IT'S NOT LIKE A PROGRAM. IT'S MORE OF WHEN YOU CALL US AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU BRING ME TO THE HOSPITAL, THEN I'LL BRING HIM TO THE HOSPITAL. YOU KNOW, I JUST THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE 80. WE CAN DO TO HELP PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE TRAMS AND SO FORTH. SO ANYTHING LIKE THAT. HOW OLD WOULD YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? YES HELEN MCBRIDE, FLAMINGO AVENUE. NOW I'M WITH THE SENIOR CITIZENS OVER THERE AT 10TH STREET REC CENTER. A LOT OF THEM. EIGHTIES AND NINETIES. DON'T HAVE A CAR ANYMORE AND I TRY MY BEST TO GIVING THEM RIGHT. BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. YOU COULD CALL THE TRAM. AND GO TO THE DOCTOR OR GO TO THE HOSPITAL OR EVEN JUST GO TO THE DRUGSTORE . YOU KNOW THE ONE WOMAN 93. SHE WAS WALKING FOR ME, STEWART.

LIKE STREET ALL THE WAYS THAT WOULD HAVE WALGREENS AND YOU KNOW, I WAS GIVEN AGAIN ISN'T IN THE C R A. SO OKAY BUT VERY PRESCRIPTION SHOP IN COLORADO. YEAH THERE, YOU KNOW. I MEAN, WE DON'T LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, CHAMP. WE HAVE NO, WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER AND I DON'T SAY THE PHONE. NO NO. I WAS LOOKING AT GOING TELL YOU THAT I ALWAYS LOVE YOU PEOPLE AND YOU SAY, OH, USE YOUR SMARTPHONE LOOKING AT THIS TEST. YES WE NEED COMMUNICATION. NO I DON'T USE MY SMARTPHONE. JOHN GAVE ME THAT. I KEEP TELLING THEM I DON'T LIKE IT. YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY CALLED OR WHATEVER THAT YOU CAN CLOG THE STUFF DELIVERED TO YOUR HOUSE.

NO I DON'T. BUT I MEANT YOU'RE RIGHT, TOM. IF ANOTHER TIMES EVEN THINK AND NO, I DO NOT EVEN THE IPAD TO SEE WHEN THE MEETING, SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY. UH, WE SENIORS AND SOME OF US DON'T CAN'T AFFORD I IPADS OR SMARTPHONES. JUST YEAH, EDUCATION IS KNOWLEDGE IS WONDERFUL TO HAVE. THANK YOU. I THINK THIS IS A LOT OF WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY IS THAT PANEL AND I

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IT'S NOT LIKE WE DON'T HAVE THE TRANSIT DRIVERS CURRENTLY WHEN THEY HAVEN'T BEEN TO TRAM IS USUALLY REQUESTED TO DO A LOT OF THEIR EVENTS ANYWAY. SO THE TRIM IS THERE. BUT AGAIN, I JUST LIKE TO SEE YOU EXPANDED. I THINK IT'S LOVELY TO LIVE IN THE CITY. ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT LIVING IN THE CITY. YOU DO HAVE PAULA, COULD YOU HELP ME WITH THIS? PLEASE AND PAULA WILL CERTAINLY HELP ME WITH THIS. BUT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT PAULA IS THE ONE TO CALL AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET I THINK ALL OF US JUST WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPENED SO RISING AWARENESS. THAT'S ALL IT IS, IS JUST GETTING GETTING THEM OUT IN FRONT OF, UM LADIES. UM LIKE YOURSELF BACK THERE.

SORRY. FORGOT YOUR NAME. UM I THINK JUST JUST TO SAY JUST MAYBE JUST DRIVING AROUND SOMETIMES JUST LET PEOPLE SEE IT GOING ON. AND THEN IF THEY DO LIKE, HEY, HERE'S SOME FLYERS THAT YOU HAVE HOLDING ON ACTIVE MARK OUR MARKETING SOMETIMES YOU KNOW, JUST GOING TO MAYBE JUST SOME OF THESE EVENTS BEING AT THE HOSPITAL SHOWING PEOPLE THAT WE'RE HERE TO HELP AND JUST LETTING HIM KNOW. SO COULD YOU PUT THAT IN SOME SORT OF LIKE 10 ITEMS THAT WE COULD LIKE MAKE A MOTION TO IMPROVEMENTS TO SEND OFF TO THE C. R A AT THE NEXT MEETING. SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE? REAL QUICK, SO WE ALL STILL AGREE ON AS FAR AS COLOR? IT'S GOING TO BE AS BRIGHT BORDERING NEON. HOPEFULLY I WOULD HOPE FROM MY INVISIBILITY POINT OF VIEW. ABSOLUTELY THE BEST YOU CAN POSSIBLY DO. YES. YELLOW OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. PINEAPPLE GOLD. I LOVE IT ALREADY HAS ALREADY APPROVED THAT. SO THAT'S A DONE DEAL. UM . NOW THEY ALSO C. R A ALSO ASKED THAT YOU BRING BACK TO US THE WRAPPINGS. THE WRAPPING PROGRAM RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. IT'LL TAKE SOME. OKAY AND I JUST WANT TO SAY MR CITY MANAGER. IF WE CAN AFFORD $35,000 TO WRAP BOXES, I THINK WE CAN AFFORD $500 FOR A LIGHT SYSTEM. I'M WORKING ON THAT. I AGREE WITH THE SYSTEM. IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS?

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.