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MAYOR MACDONALD VICE MAYOR BRUNER COMMISSIONER CLARK COMMISSIONER COLLINS. IT'S NOT RICH. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. REALLY SENSE ONE MEDICATION. DETESTED STRONG.
[COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS]
SO THIS IS THE BUDGET WORKSHOP AND WE HAVE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS PUT THEIR ISLANDS TOGETHER. WHAT . I'M GONNA BE PREJUDICIAL TODAY. OUR. STUART POLICE DEPARTMENT. AS ONE OF THANK THEM FOR ALL THEIR SERVICE STORE COMMUNITY. AND I WANT TO ESPECIALLY THANK TODAY TO NEW OFFICERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE SWORN IN ON WEDNESDAY AT 2 P.M. AT OUR PUBLIC SERVICE COMPLEX, MISS DEDRA LOPEZ AND MISS FREDRICKA BLACKWELL, OFFICER THEIR OFFICERS PLEASE STAND FOR US SO THAT WE CAN SEE YOU ARE OFFICERS ARE NEW OFFICERS. AND THERE'S OTHER SPECIAL THINGS, OFFICER DURAND AND OTHERS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WE JUST WANT TO THANK OUR CHIEF FOR BRINGING IN NEW FOLKS AND ADD INTO THE BUDGET. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO THANK YOU, CHRIS.[COMMENTS BY CITY MANAGER]
OKAY, MOVE ON ANY COMMENTS BY THE MANAGER. I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC COMMENTS IS RELATED TO[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
THE BUDGET TO HAVE SOMETHING. THE GENERAL MEETING. AND WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. WELL APPROVAL. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK SECONDED BY VICE MARY BRUDER ON FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. I DON'T HAVE ANY GREEN CARDS.[1. FISCAL YEAR 2024 OPERATING BUDGET - WORKSHOP #1]
SAYING NONE. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON. OKAY, LET'S UH GO TO ITEM ONE FISCAL YEAR 2024 OPERATING BUDGET. MIKE GUESSING YOU HAVE JOLIE TAKING OVER. UNFORTUNATELY I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE THE BUDGET ITEM, BUT I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE FINANCIAL DIRECTOR THAT'S GOING PERIOD FOR ME. UM THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND I MET WITH ALL OF THE DIRECTOR'S PROBLEM DEPARTMENTS. AND, UH, PUT TOGETHER. ESSENTIALLY THE BUDGET THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU. THE OTHER DAY. I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THE BUDGET IS NOT IN BALANCE AT THIS POINT. THE PURPOSE FOR TODAY'S MEETING IS TO GET SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU AS A COMMISSION AS TO WHAT YOU'VE COME OUT OF PRIORITIZE OR THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE JOLIE GIVE YOU A FUNDAMENTAL OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT'S TAKING PLACE AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. WHEN WE STARTED PUTTING THIS AGENDA ITEM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF JULIE EVEN UPDATED IT, BUT THE REVENUE SHARE FOR THE SCIARRA WAS BASED UPON THE CITY COMMISSIONS. PRESENTED BUDGET. BUT THEN, OF COURSE WE KNOW THE LAST WEEK THEY VOTED ON IT. THE NUMBER CAME OUT DIFFERENT. SO THE AMOUNT OF THE SIERRA NUMBERS COMING TO US ARE DIFFERENT. THE FINAL NEGOTIATIONS WITH POLICE AND FIRE ARE NOT COMPLETE. SO THOSE NUMBERS UM CAN'T BE PUT INTO THE BUDGET YET AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT, UM BECOMES SOME DISPARITY , AND THERE'S OTHER MATTERS AND PRIORITIES AS IT RELATES TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, WHETHER WE WANT TO FINANCE AND DO OTHER LARGER PROJECTS AND DIRECTION RELATED TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN, AS WELL. UM THAT COME UP, INCLUDING ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT I WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT AFTER JOLIE IS FINISHED, AND THAT IS LAST SEPTEMBER, WE ADOPTED A. A RATE FOR THE UTILITIES THAT INCLUDED A, UH AN OPTION TO EITHER MOVE THE GARAGE OR KEEP THE GARAGE AND ITS PLACE . BUT THE FIRST YEAR'S RATE DIDN'T MATTER BECAUSE FOR EITHER OPTION, THE RATE WAS GOING TO STAY THE SAME. BUT BEFORE WE LAUNCH INTO THAT INDIVIDUAL PROJECT AND BALANCING THE NEXT FEW YEARS BUDGETS WITH WHAT THAT WILL AMOUNT TO. I HAD WANTED TO REVISIT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER , BUT I'M GOING TO HAND IT OFF RIGHT NOW. JODY LET HIM START HIS PRESENTATION. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION. THOSE IN ATTENDANCE. UH BASICALLY, THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE BUDGET, WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH ALL FUN REVEVEVEE SO EACH OF THE FUNDS THAT WE ADOPT AND OPERATING BUDGET FOR[00:05:11]
THAT'S MAINLY THE REASON WHY ONE OF THESE IS MISLEADING IT SO WE MAY HAVE HAD RP FUNDS IN THE PRIOR YEAR OR GRANTS THAT WERE THERE. WE MAY HAVE HAD DEBT FINANCINGS, SRF LOANS AND THE WATER AND SEWER. SO AS THOSE PROJECTS PROGRESS FORWARD AND BACKWARD. THIS DOES NOT NECESSARILY INDICATE THAT THE REVENUES ARE DOWN. IT'S SIMPLY THAT THE REVENUES THAT ARE IN THE CURRENT AMENDED BUDGET AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PHRASE THE CURRENT AMENDED BUDGET ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEING PROJECTED OR REQUESTED IN THE BUDGET. ONE OF THE TENANTS OF BUDGETING AT THE BUSINESS PEOPLE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEVEL IS THAT THE BUDGETS MUST BE BALANCED, AND SOMETIMES A REVENUE SIMPLY MEANS REFLECTING A TRANSFER IN FROM OUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT. TO BALANCE THE BUDGET OF THOSE REQUESTS, AND THAT'S IF THE MANAGER RECOMMENDS AFTER YOU , AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD ADOPT IT. YOU CAN SEE THERE. CDBG LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LARGE INCREASE IN REVENUE. THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE AS THE SIERRA IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECTS. THEY'RE REQUESTING MORE OF REIMBURSEMENT THIS YEAR FROM THE OVERALL APPROVED $4.9 MILLION GRANT. WE HAD NOT REQUESTED AS MUCH LAST YEAR REQUESTING MORE THIS YEAR.SO WHEN YOU SEE THIS 2000% INCREASE, IT'S NOT THE CDBG GAVE US MORE MONEY SIMPLY THAT WE'RE NOT USING AS MUCH THIS YEAR AND ASKING FOR MORE NEXT YEAR. IF THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS ON ON THAT METHODOLOGY AND HOW THIS IS I WOULD MOVE ON. THIS SUBSEQUENTLY ALSO IS ALL FUND APPROPRIATIONS. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE SIMPLY SAYING COMPARED TO THE CURRENT AMENDED BUDGET TODAY. COMPARED TO WHAT'S BEEN REQUESTED BY THE DEPARTMENT'S THERE'S A 2% INCREASE IN APPROPRIATIONS ACROSS GENERAL FUND. LANDFILL PROPERTY, YOU'LL SEE THAT LEASED PROPERTY MANAGEMENT HAS REDUCED EXPENSES. THAT'S MORE RELATED TO THE PROJECTS THERE IN THE REVENUE GENERATED THAN THE ACTUAL EXPENSES AND COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT TO SEE THAT, SUBSEQUENTLY, THAT INCREASE IN CDBG CORRESPONDS TO AN INCREASE IN COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AS WELL. SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF NEW EXPENDITURES SIMPLY THAT THERE ARE CAPITAL PROJECTS BEING CONTINUED. ALSO AGAIN PROJECTS IN THE WATER SEWER IF THEY'RE IN A DIFFERENT PHASE OF THE R O PLANT OR THE ION EXCHANGE SYSTEMS THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
BILL DOWN TO REVENUES VERSUS DEPARTMENT REQUEST. SO IT AT THIS IS THE ONE THAT THAT YOU SHOULD BE INTERESTED IN. SO THIS IS REVENUES WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE THEM VERSUS WHAT THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE ASKED FOR. SO WE'RE STILL A MILLION TWO OUT IN GENERAL FIND AND THAT'S EVEN WITH A LITTLE BIT OF WIZARDRY ALREADY KNOW THAT THE MANAGERS FAMILIAR WITH FINANCE PULLING RABBITS OUT OF HATS RIGHT NOW WE'RE MORE LIKE HAMSTERS. WE HAVEN'T. WE HAVEN'T MADE IT TO FULL SIZE RABBITS YET. WE'RE ONLY AT HAMSTERS AT THIS MOMENT AND COMMITTEE REDEVELOPMENT REFLECTS OUT OF BALANCE ONLY BECAUSE WE'VE ADDED SOME PROJECTS DURING OUR MEETINGS WITH THE CRE DIRECTOR AND WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE OFFSETTING REVENUE SOURCES. PROBABLY SYRIA'S OVER FUND BALANCE. AND THEN STORM WATER. AT THIS MOMENT BEING ON THERE, THEY SIMPLY HAVE A NUMBER OF STORMWATER PROJECTS , AND THE CITY MANAGER HAS NOT DECIDED TO FUND THOSE PROJECTS YET WITH AVAILABLE REVENUE SOURCES TO IDENTIFY THOSE REVENUE SOURCES SO AGAIN, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. THIS IS WHAT STORMWATER ASKED FOR. VERSUS WHAT FINANCE KNOWS THE REVENUES TO BE AT THIS MOMENT. AND YOU KNOW, WE MAY IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL REVENUE SOURCES TO FUND THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE IN STORM WATER. NOW WHY WOULD THE BUDGET BE OUT OF BALANCE AT THIS MOMENT? WELL AGAIN IS THE MANAGER TRIED TO SAY IT IS OPENING COMMENTS. HE'S NOT MADE ANY CUTS YET, AND THAT'S IN CAPITAL LETTERS. I CAN ASSURE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND UNIONS AND ATTENDANCE TODAY AT THE MEETING. THERE ARE CUTS COMING. THE MANAGER JUST HASN'T MADE THEM YET. WE DID SIT DOWN WITH EACH DEPARTMENT AND ALLOWED THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO BASICALLY GIVE US THEIR SALES PITCH ON WHAT THE REQUESTS ARE EXPLAIN WHAT THEY MEANT. THERE'S A LOT OF ACRONYMS AND TERMS AND SOME OF THESE BUDGETS AND THE MANAGER. WAS A WORKHORSE. HE SAT THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THEM, AND I CAN PERSONALLY SAY NEVER WENT TO THE BATHROOM OR DRINK ANY WATER ATE ANYTHING. SO MY STAFF HAD TO BRING ME WATER TO DRINK JUST TO KEEP UP WITH HIM. AND THEN SOME AVAILABLE REVENUE SOURCES HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOCATED SO IMPACT FEES. THERE ARE SOME EXPENDITURES THAT MIGHT THAT MIGHT BE FUNDED WITH AVAILABLE IMPACT FEES OR RESERVES THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED IN THIS. ALSO, SOME YOU KNOW, GRANTS MAY COME IN, OR SOME OTHER UNUSED REVENUES THERE, MAYBE REVENUES THAT WERE ALLOCATED FOR PROJECTS IN 2023 THAT WE NOW KNOW WE'VE
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EITHER HAD A POSSIBLE COST SAVINGS OR WE'RE ABANDONING THE PROJECT AND TAKING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. THE MANAGER WILL HAVE THE DISCRETION TO REALLOCATE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS TO THOSE AND ALSO IT'S OUT OF BALANCE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE, AS HE ALLUDED, THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT SERVES ARE NEARING COMPLETION. I'M TOLD BY HR, BUT WE'RE AWAITING TO SEE WHAT THE FISCAL IMPACTS OF THOSE ARE. AND THE REVENUES ARE BEGINNING TO BE POSTED BY THE STATE, BUT THEY'RE NOT INCORPORATED IN THIS ITERATION TO THE MANAGERS COMING EARLIER. I DIDN'T KNOW IF MAYBE JOLIE WOULD HAVE UPDATED THE PRESENTATION. I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE A POWER POINT SLIDE THAT DOESN'T AGREE TO THE REPORT. I'M GOING TO PULL UP IN FRONT OF YOU. SO WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THIS BETWEEN THE POWER POINT. AND TODAY, HOWEVER, I DO HAVE A LONG LIST OF REQUESTS THAT WILL BE MADE TOMORROW MORNING BECAUSE SOME DEPARTMENTS HAVE SEEN THIS IN SENT ME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. SO THOSE OF YOU SAYING THIS ISN'T MY NUMBER. UH, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE THE NUMBER FROM WHAT COMMISSION GOT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY. GENERAL FUND REVENUES DOWN TO THE CATEGORY AND AGAIN AS I'VE SAID MANY TIMES, THE STATE OF FLORIDA DICTATES HOW WE ACCOUNT FOR THESE AND WHERE THEY COME FROM. SO IN THE GROUP THAT'S CALLED TAXES, AND THAT INCLUDES PROPERTY TAXES, UTILITY TAXES, BUSINESS TAX. ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF REVENUES ARE ROLLED IN HERE, AND YOU COULD SEE THAT THERE IS AN INCREASE IN THAT PRIMARILY, IT IS THE ADDITIONAL ADVIL OR, UM, THAT CAME IN THIS YEAR. THAT THAT WOULD COME IN AT THE RATE THAT I STARTED PROJECTING THAT PERMITS REASON ASSESSMENTS OF MODEST INCREASE ALSO, INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUES AGAIN. YOU'RE LIKE, OH, INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUES ARE DOWN. NO. THOSE ARE TIED TO GRANTS AND OTHER REVENUE SOURCES THAT WERE IN THAT ARE IN THE CURRENT AMENDED BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR THAT ARE NOT IN NEXT YEAR'S REQUEST. YET THE MANAGER MAY IDENTIFY THOSE REVENUE SHORTLY. CHARGES FOR SERVICES ARE MOVED ALONG, AND THIS IS, UH JUST GENERAL FUNDS. WE'RE NOT TALKING UTILITY FUNDS HERE. JUDGMENTS MINDS OF FOUR FIGURES. THERE'S NO PROJECTION TO MAKE THEIR WE SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, I'LL RUN IT AND SEE WHERE IT GOES BASED ON HISTORICAL MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES TELL YOU PRIMARILY AS YOU DON'T WELL EQUIPPED TO INVEST OUR FUNDS SMARTLY INTO A MULTI TIERED INVESTMENT. MULTI DIVERSIFIED PORTFOLIOS AND INTEREST EARNINGS ARE FINALLY STARTING TO SHOW SOME INTEREST, SO WE WE'VE. ALLOWED TO INCREASE THAT CATEGORY AND THEN THE OTHER SOURCES. THOSE ARE TRANSFERS IN FROM OTHER REVENUE SOURCES LIKE TRANSFERS FROM OTHER FUNDS TRANSFERS FROM OUR RESERVES. UH DEBT SERVICE FINANCING THINGS LIKE THAT. SO DON'T BE ALARMED BY THE DROP IN REVENUES. IT'S SIMPLY THAT WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED USING THOSE OUTSIDE SOURCES. SO BASICALLY THOSE ARE REVENUE SOURCES OTHER THAN OPERATING REVENUES THAT THE GENERAL FUND MAY UTILIZE THE BALANCE THIS BUDGET. AND THEN SOME HIGHLIGHTS. THE MANAGER ASKED THAT I DRILLING ON SOME OF OUR MORE IMPORTANT REVENUES AND WHAT THEY ARE, SO YOU'LL SEE THEIR AVALERE. UM, TAXES. CURRENTLY AND WHAT THE PERCENT CHANGES AND THEN ALSO OUT ON THE TOTAL THERE. AND I OVER HERE. A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY'S BUDGET. UM TWO YEARS AGO, THEY ASKED WHY IS JUPITER ISLAND DONE WITH THEIR BUDGET? A MONTH BEFORE YOU ARE JOLIE? WELL, THEIR BUDGET IS ONE PAGE AND THERE HAVE ALARM IS 85% OF THEIR BUDGET. SO IT'S PRETTY EASY NUMBER TO DO. UM THE COUNTY'S PERCENTAGE AVELAR INTO BUDGET IS HIGHER THAN OURS, BUT WE ONLY RELY ON OUR EVOLUTIONARILY MAKES UP 36% OF OUR REVENUE. AND THERE'S A 17% CHANGE FROM BUT BUDGET STANDPOINT, LOCAL OPTION FUEL TAX. I DIDN'T TRY TO PROJECT THAT THE STATE PROVIDES THAT NUMBER. BUT IT IS A YOU KNOW 2.CHAIR OF THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE UTILITY TAX ELECTRIC IS OUR TAX THAT WE CHARGE FP AND L.
AND IT'S AT THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY STATUTE, 10% AND THAT'S A MODEST INCREASE. SO THAT WILL BE COMING IN SHORTLY. STATE COMMUNICATION TEXT. THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW IS THE CST COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX. THE STATE HAS RE TITLED THAT STATE COMMUNICATION TAX. THEY WARNED US YEARS AGO THAT WAS GOING TO GO DOWN. THANKFULLY, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN YET. LOCAL BUSINESS TAX.
IT HAS BEEN CHUGGING ALONG VERY WELL. WE'RE GAINING OPPRESSION, WHICH YEAR WE'RE IDENTIFYING NEW BUSINESSES OPENING AND ALSO WE'VE BEEN LUCKY, CATCHING SOME BUSINESSES THAT WERE OPERATING ILLEGALLY WITHOUT A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT. BUILDING PERMITS. NOW THIS ONE IS TIED DIRECTLY TO THE BUILDING PERMIT DEPARTMENTS EXPENDITURES, SO WHATEVER THEY SPEND WE FUND THAT'S A FLORIDA SIX STATUTE. YOU CAN'T CHARGE ANY MORE THAN IT COSTS SO AS THE BUILDING PERMITS DEPARTMENT BUDGET GOES UP, I IDENTIFY AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF REVENUE TO FUND THAT IF THE PERMIT COLLECTIONS COME IN MORE THAN THAT, IT GOES INTO THE RESERVE THAT COMES IN LESS. WE DRAW DOWN THE RESERVE.
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SO IN THAT THAT'S ESTABLISHED BY THE FLORIDA STATUTE. FRANCHISE ELECTRIC AGAIN IS THE, UM THERE'S AN INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT ESSENTIALLY BETWEEN US AND FP AND L TO CHARGE A FRANCHISE FEE ON THERE'S UTILITY TAXES A STRAIGHT PATH THROUGH ON YOUR BILL FROM FROM THE CUSTOMER TO ASK THE FRANCHISE FEE IS A FORMULA WHERE F PIANO GETS TO DEDUCT CERTAIN EXPENSES AND STUFF FROM THE REVENUES AND THEN THEY PAY US AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT , BUT IT'S STILL A VERY DECENT REVENUE THAT WE DRAWN 4% OF THE BUDGET. THAT ASSESSMENT FROM PUBLIC SERVICES THAT IS THE FIRE ASSESSMENT. TO WHICH WE OFTEN REFER. THAT HELPS TO OFFSET THE BURDEN. THAT'S WHY I'VE ALARMS ONLY 36% OF THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE ARE SUPPLEMENTING THAT APPLE OR, UM, WE DON'T YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE SOURCES IF NOT TO TRY AND FUND HOLE. SO EVEN WITH THE PROPERTY INCREASES THAT ARE PROJECTED BY THE PROPERTY PRESENT THIS YEAR, AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND EVERYONE ELSE'S REQUEST. I'M STILL A MILLION TO THE WHOLE. AFTER I DO ALL THE EMAILS I'VE RECEIVED TOMORROW MORNING. I'LL PROBABLY BE MORE THAN THE WHOLE. BUT MUNICIPAL REVENUE SHARING THAT'S KIND OF A CONVOLUTED SHOW, AND IT'S TIED TO THE VERY NEXT LINE THE HALF CENT SALES TAX SO I BELIEVE REPETITION IS THE KEY FOR LEARNING. SO AS I EXPLAINED EVERY YEAR, THE STATE SALES TAXES SIX CENTS YOU CHARGE YOU PAY SIX CENTS IN STATE SALES TAX. THAT VENDOR GIVES THAT SALES TAX TO THE STATE. IT WOULD MIX IT UP THERE AND THE STATE TAKES 5.5. OF THOSE SIX CENTS. AND USE IT TO FUND PROGRAMS. ONLY HALF SENT. THE HALF SALUTE REMAINING, COMES BACK TO MARTIN COUNTY AND IS DISTRIBUTED BASED ON POPULATION. SO UM, THERE IS EVEN HAVE A LITTLE DISPLAY. IF THE MANAGER WANTS TO GO THERE, OKAY? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR HIM TO SEE IT RIGHT HERE. UM. SOMEBODY TO LOVE THIS ONE BECAUSE I GOT ATTACKED BY A CITIZEN ONE YEAR AT A PUBLIC MEETING THAT I HAD INSULTED THEIR CHILD FOR EATING KILLINGS , AND FOR ME, YOU'RE JUST A NUMBER, SO I WILL I WILL UP SIZE THIS OKAY, SO LET'S SAY YOU WITH SOMEBODY THREW A NUMBER OUT FOR ME. YOU WENT TO KILL WINS. AND HOW MUCH MONEY DID YOU SPEND IT? KILLINGS EATING ICE CREAM. HOW MUCH 2026 WHAT? 26. 2064 ALRIGHT , THERE YOU GO. SO LET'S GO. 2064 YOU SPENT $20.64 I KILL ONE'S EATING ICE CREAM. THE CITY OF STEWART WILL GET ONE PENNY, LET'S SAY. YOU WENT AND BOUGHT A TV AT BEST BUY. YOU WENT ALL OUT AND BOUGHT THE REALLY BIG 85 INCH ONE AND YOU SPEND 1000. LET'S SAY $1500 ON THE TV AT BEST BY THE CITY OF STEWART WILL GET 74 CENTS. 35 CAR. LET'S SAY YOU WENT TO OKAY. YOU BOUGHT A CAR. DID YOU BUY TESLA? HOW MUCH $230,000 FOR US. CAR CITY WILL GET $114 WAS KIND OF TRYING TO SAVE THAT KIND OF LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, HOME DEPOT. DOES, YOU KNOW? $5 MILLION IN SALES. WE GET 2004 AND $81. LET'S SAY A STORY IN DOWNTOWN STUART. THERE'S A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN REVENUE. $496. SO THIS IS NOT THE DISCRETIONARY SALES TAX. THIS IS NOT THE DISCRETIONARY SALES TAX. THIS IS NOT WHAT GOT ADDED ON AS A HALF CENT FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD. THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU VOTED IN. THIS IS THE EXISTING SIX CENTS IN SALES TAX THAT EVERY VENDOR COLLECTS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR THOSE TAXABLE SALES. AND WHETHER YOU BUY IT IN STUART OR YOU BUY IT IN INDIAN TOWN, OR YOU BUY IT IN UNINCORPORATED MARTIN COUNTY, HALF SENATE COMES BACK AND IS DISTRIBUTED BASED ON OUR POPULATION, NOT WHERE YOU BOUGHT IT. OKAY NOW. BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT BETWEEN THIS AND THAT? AND THE DISCRETIONARY? PERHAPS THAT I'M GONNA HELP YOU OUT RIGHT HERE SO PERFECTLY THERE FROM THE HALF YEAR YOU FED IT, AND YOU FED IT TO BE PERFECT LIKE A LIKE A PITCH LOOK LIKE LEBRON JAMES SHOOTING ME. THE NOTEBOOK PASS. UM THE HALF CENT SALES TAX SO CURRENTLY TODAY FROM EVERYTHING IN STUART MM. EVERYTHING THAT'S MY. KILL WINS HOME DEPOT. THE YACHT PLACE. YOU KNOW, CAR DEALERSHIPS, EVERYTHING. WE GET. 2.32 $0.4 MILLION. IN SALES TAX. FROM THE HALF SINCE WE GET BACK. NOW. IF YOU DID THE DISCRETIONARY SALES TAX. THE STATE OF FLORIDA OFFERS THIS EVERY YEAR. AS A GUIDE. THEY SAY, ALL RIGHT, IF YOU DID THE ONE CENT DISCRETIONARY SURTAX. I'LL GO DOWN HERE TO MARTIN COUNTY. THIS ONE IS NOT.[00:20:05]
ALLOCATED TO THE STATE. THE STATE KEEPS A SMALL PIECE, OBVIOUSLY FOR HANDLING SHIPPING AND HANDLING. BUT AS FAR AS JUST YOU GETTING THE TAX IF MARTIN COUNTY DID A ONE CENT DISCRETIONARY TAX BASED ON THE DEFAULT FORMULA JUST NO NO SPECIAL STUFF. THE CITY OF STEWART WOULD GET $5.6 MILLION. FROM A ONE CENT ADDITIONAL DISCRETIONARY SURTAX BECAUSE IT COMES BACK DIRECTLY NOW, OF COURSE, MARTIN COUNTY THERE YOU'LL SEE WE GET $45 MILLION.OKAY? SO THAT'S THAT'S THE IMPACT OF DOING A DISCRETIONARY LOCAL SURTAX. IT'S ACTUALLY 5.6 MILLION, RIGHT? THAT'S ONE. THAT'S 15.6. AND THAT THAT'S ONE YEAR. UM DOWN HERE. I CAN SHOW YOU SOME PEOPLE WHO ALREADY PARTICIPATED IN PALM BEACH COUNTY. HAS THE ONES IN SALES TAX IN PLACE. YOU CAN SEE. HERE'S WHAT THEY SAID THE FORMULA WOULD BE MY HOMETOWN OF BELLE GLADE WOULD GET 0.82. HOWEVER GENERATING $3.4 MILLION FROM VOGUE LEAD, HOWEVER. THEY ENTERED INTO AN INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT. THIS COLUMN IS CALLED BASED ON INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT.
AND THE EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE COUNTY AGREED TO BASICALLY TAKE HALF SO BELLE GLADE IS TAKING 0.4 INSTEAD OF 0.8. THE COUNTY ITSELF HAS TAKEN 30 INSTEAD OF 50. THEY ACTUALLY WOUND UP FUNDING THE SCHOOL BOARD, SO THEY GET 50% OF THEIR LOCAL DISCRETIONARY TAX TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE. UM THAT TAXES GENERATED $1.7 MILLION FOR BOTH WEIGHED AND THEY'RE SPLITTING THAT ONCE ATTACKS AMONGST ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES THERE WITH THEM AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. NOW, HOWEVER, YOU CAN GO THE OTHER WAY BECAUSE IT'S BY INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT AND THE COUNTY ACTUALLY CHARGES IT. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY DOES NOT SHARE THAT LOCAL TAX WITH ANY OF THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. THEY KEEP IT ALL FOR THEMSELVES. JUST SAYING SO. SO IF YOU DID A ONE CENT LOCAL DISCRETIONARY TAX IT COULD MEAN $5.6 MILLION ON TOP OF YOUR 2.4 YOU GET NOW BALANCED. OYO HALF WEEK ENDS WOULD BE MEETING DEFINITELY ENDS WOULD BE MEETING THOSE OF YOU TRYING TO MAKE ENDS MEET AT YOUR HOUSEHOLD. ENDS WITH MEAT IF I GOT 5.6 POINTS ON THE SALES, TAX INFRASTRUCTURE SALES THAT DISCUSSION OR TAX THERE'S ACTUALLY, UH THAT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR CERTAIN THERE'S A CERTAIN CAPITAL EXPENDITURES CORRECT. IT CAN'T BE USED FOR OPERATIONS. THOSE OTHER SALES TAX TO WHICH I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO MAYOR I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK ON YOUR BEHALF. THOSE WERE PUT ON THE REFERENDUM BALLOT AND VOTED BEFORE FOUR SPECIFIC USES, BUT THAT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS RESTRICTED BY THEM WAS RESTRICTED FOR THE USE OF LIKE THE FIRST ONE WAS STORMWATER ONLY. AND THE SECOND ONE OPENED ITSELF UP TO FIRE APPARATUS, STORM WATER AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS. IN ONE YEAR THEY DID PARKS AND REC AND SPACE WHEN WE GET THE 52 ACRES OF PAINT CREEK, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE CAMEL'S NOSE UNDER THE TENT. WE THINK MAYBE IF WE WERE TO CORRECTLY ON THE BALLOT, YOU'LL VOTE FOR IT. THIS WOULD JUST BE A ONE CENT. YOU KNOW THE STATE SAYING IF YOU DID IT ONE SENT YOU GET 5.6 MILLION. WHAT YOU DID WITH IT WOULD BE UP TO YOU. AND SINCE IT'S MARTIN COUNTY THAT HAS TO COLLECT IT AND PUT IT ON THE BALLOT. THERE'LL PROBABLY BE SOME HAGGLING WITH THEM SOME SOME FINAGLE NG AND NEGOTIATIONS, POSSIBLY ON WHAT IT COULD BE USED FOR WHATEVER. BUT IF IT WAS JUST GENERAL PURPOSES, YEAH. THAT WOULD WORK. AND IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT THERE WAS A TIME THAT THE CITY COMMISSION ACTUALLY HEADED AS LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY TO TRY AND CHANGE THE STATE'S STATUTE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE STATE STATUTE SAYS THAT ONLY COUNTIES OR CITIES WITH A POPULATION OF MORE THAN 500,000, PEOPLE CAN DO A DISCRETIONARY.
TAX OR PLACE PUT A DISCRETIONARY SALES TAX IN PLACE. SO THE CITY OF STEWART DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT IT IN PLACE IN THE SECOND SET OF DISCRETIONARY SALES TAX THAT REALLY MAKES IT BENEFICIAL IS THAT IT'S TO SOME EXTENT VOLUNTARY. THAT IS IT'S A USER TAX, SO IT'S NOT EVERYBODY GETTING TAXED, WHETHER THEY DO IT OR NOT. ONLY THE GUYS ADVISED. THE LAMBORGHINI HAS TO PAY THAT TAX ON THE LAMBORGHINI. AND AS A RESULT, WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE FUNDS THAT ARE PAID. ARE FROM TOURISTS AND THOSE VISITING THE COMMUNITY. SO WHEN YOU'RE IN A CITY LIKE THE CITY OF STEWART, WE HAVE A STUDY THAT SHOWS YOU HAVE 21,000 PEOPLE THAT COME IN EVERY SINGLE DAY TO GO TO WORK. AND WE HAVE THEM GOING ON THE TRAFFIC AND USING THE ROADS AND USING THE GAS STATIONS AND GOING TO THE RESTAURANTS AND DOING ALL THIS STUFF AND THEN ALSO COMING IN THE SHOP. THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE PAYING A HUGE BULK OF THAT SALES TAX AND INCLUDING THE HOTELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WHEN THE VISITORS COME FROM OUT OF TOWN, SO IT'S A IT'S A HUGE BENEFIT TO COMMUNITY TO HAVE THE DISCRETIONARY TAX. THE MANAGER, FORMER COMMISSIONER CAMPAIGNING
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AND MYSELF WERE ON THAT COMMITTEE AND WE ACTUALLY HAD IT MOVED UP TO THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. AND IT DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE. WELL THEY DON'T REALLY LIKE TO LET HOMETOWN DO A LOT. THEY DON'T LIKE US TO GOVERN OURSELVES. UM A WORD ABOUT POPULATION. SO I HEAR POPULATION AND EVERY COMMISSION MEETING THAT I COME TO SO AND OF COURSE, SOME OF THE YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND MYSELF FOR THE CITY MANAGER MYSELF LIKE WE'LL ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT NUMBER THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM A DIFFERENT SOURCE. I LIKE TO SAY, WELL, THIS IS WHAT THE STATE USES SO YOU DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. BUT THIS IS WHERE OUR MONEY COMES FROM. SO AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS 18 7 64 IS LESS 20 INMATES. FOR SOME REASON . 20 INMATES AT THE JAIL GET COUNTED TO US. SO IT'S ACTUALLY 18 7. 84, BUT THEY TAKE 20 AWAY.UM. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT ACCORDING TO THIS, WE WENT UP 1100 PEOPLE OF 6.2% INCREASE.
WE'RE CURRENTLY 11.8% OF MARTIN COUNTY'S TOTAL POPULATION. NOW THEY DON'T LOOK AT THE PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED. THEY DON'T LOOK AT THE PENDING PROJECTS. AND WHEN THEY SAY, HEY , INDIAN TOWN HAS, YOU KNOW 7000 UNITS COMING ONLINE? THEY DON'T PROJECT THOSE EXTRA PEOPLE. WHAT THEY DO IS THEY WAIT FOR IT TO GET BUILT AND THE CEOS ARE ISSUED. THOSE ARE REPORTED. AND SO THEN I EXPECT YOU'LL SEE THESE NUMBERS FROM OR OTHER JURISDICTIONS. IN CLOSE NEIGHBORS GO UP DRASTICALLY AS THESE DEVELOPMENTS COME ONLINE AND OR C O D. SO BUT I MEAN, ALREADY FOR A SMALL TOWN. THAT'S ONLY BEEN EXISTENCE A COUPLE OF YEARS THERE ALREADY 4% OF OUR COUNTY POPULATION, SO BECAUSE I KEEP SAYING, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A WILL TO GROW AND IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR REVENUE STREAMS IN THE FUTURE. UM MR MANAGER. UH DID YOU WANT TO TALK A BIT ABOUT THAT? WELL, I WOULD DO. I WILL SAY THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT POPULATION IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT UM SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY OF STEWART, WE JUST DID OUR COPPER CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMANENT CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT. IT WAS IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH THAT WE DID IT. WE HIRED THE GUY TO DO THE STUDY OF OUR UM, SERVICE AREA AS WELL AS DO THE ACTUAL CITY BORDER, AND WE PROJECTED THE POPULATION WOULD END UP IN A BUILD OUT AT APPROXIMATELY 23,900 PEOPLE. SO HAVING A APPROXIMATELY RIGHT NOW $3 BILLION UH UM. VALUATION FOR THE CITY, WHICH IS WHAT THE ADVIL ARM IS BASED ON. AND WE'RE IN 96% BUILD OUT. THAT IS OUR VACANT LAND IS ALREADY ESSENTIALLY STATISTICALLY, UM, BUILD OUT. YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE A HUGE INCREASE. IN POPULATION, OR, UM, VALUE MOVING FORWARD OVER THE YEARS FOR THE CITY OF STEWART, BECAUSE ONCE IT GETS TO 23 OR 24, IT'S GOING TO COME TO AN END. JUST AS IF YOU LOOK AT SEWELL'S POINT THAT WENT FROM 1997 TO 2006. YOU KNOW THERE. THAT'S NOT A BIG SWING. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT AND JUPITER ISLAND WILL ALWAYS STAY RIGHT AROUND 800 AS WELL. OCEAN BREEZE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE NEXT YEAR BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE IN THE BACK 40 AS THEY CALL IT. AND THEN INDIAN TOWN. I THINK. AT THE LAST JOINT MEETING THEY ANNOUNCED THAT THEY HAD ABOUT 700 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE IN APPROVED, BUT COMING FORWARD AS PROJECTS AND THEY ALSO HAD SOME MULTI FAMILY PROJECTS AND THEY, AS JOLIE POINTED OUT, ARE SEARCHING FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH. AS THEY GROW THE BOTTOM NUMBER 156 9 87 WILL INCREASE THE UNINCORPORATED NUMBER. WILL STAY THE SAME. BUT MARTIN COUNTY IS BASED ON 156. SO IN MARTIN COUNTY DOES ITS BUDGET AND WE HEAR THEIR BUDGET AND THEIR NUMBERS. EACH YEAR OR SERIES OF YEARS. THEY HAVE TO GENERATE NEW REVENUE SOURCES TO MAKE ENDS MEET OR TO HAVE THESE REVENUES MATCH THESE EXPENDITURES. IF YOU LOOK IF YOU JUST USE, UM THE NEW FIELD THAT'S IN PALM CITY. AND THERE'S 4200 PARCELS IN NEWFIELD. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO GET BUILT TOMORROW, BUT IT'S OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 10 OR 15 YEARS. IT'S GOING TO GET BUILT OUT. AND IF THOSE 4200 UNITS ARE VALUED AT $700,000 AS A MEDIAN COST FOR OR ASSESSED VALUE FOR EACH UNIT. NOW, OBVIOUSLY, SOME MIGHT BE YOU KNOW, AN EXPENSIVE OFFICE BUILDING THAT HAS A VALUE OF FIVE OR $10 MILLION, AND SOME MIGHT BE LESS THAN $700,000. BUT IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT MUCH WILL BE LESS THAN $500,000 BECAUSE IT'S ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION. BUT IF THEY WERE ALL VALUED AT $700,000 THAT WOULD GENERATE JUST ABOUT $3 BILLION FOR THE COUNTY, WHICH IS THE ENTIRE
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ASSESSED VALUE OF THE CITY OF STEWART. AND THEN IF YOU ADD TO THAT THE UM, RURAL LANDS AND THE DISCOVERY PROJECT, WHICH THEY'RE ESTIMATING WILL BE ABOUT A BILLION DOLLARS IN ASSESSMENT.YOU CAN SEE THAT AND THEN, AS INDIAN TOWN GROWS IF INDIAN TOWN HAS ANOTHER 4000 UNITS BUILT AN INDIAN TOWN OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 10 YEARS, AND THOSE 4000 UNITS AVERAGES 700,000.
THAT'S ANOTHER $3 BILLION IN ASSESSED REVENUE THAT MARTIN COUNTY IS GOING TO RECEIVE FROM ITS TAXES. SO IF MARTIN COUNTY'S TAX RATE NEVER CHANGED THE MARKET THAT IT'S ACTUALLY TAXING. IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE EXPONENTIALLY COMPARED TO THE MARKET THAT WE'RE TAXING BECAUSE OUR $3 BILLION ASSESSED VALUE. IT'S NOT LIKELY TO SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE ANYTIME SOON BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DEVELOPED 96% OF IT. SO THAT 4% INFILL DEVELOPMENT OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED OVER THE FUTURE IS GOING TO BE MORE OF A ROUNDING NUMBER FOR US, SO WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON AND AS YOU KNOW, OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB. IT'S VERY FORESEEABLE THAT ARE ADVIL ORUM. IS GOING TO GO FROM 36 TO 33 TO 28 TO 25% OF OUR BUDGET IN ORDER TO MANAGE THE CITY AND TO BE SUSTAINABLE. WE NEED TO FIND OTHER SOURCES OF REVENUE TO MAKE UP THOSE GAPS AS WE MOVE FORWARD , AND WE'VE DONE THAT WITH PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FUNDS. WE'VE DONE THAT WITH OTHER MEANS, BUT IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT AS YOU'RE CONSIDERING THINGS AND YOU KNOW PONDERING THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY. WE NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES. TWO. MAINTAIN THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE AMENITIES THAT ARE RESIDENTS WANT US TO MAINTAIN DEVELOPMENT AND, UH. OKAY INTO THAT WOULD REDEVELOPMENT BEYOND JUST TAKING GREEN SPACE AND MAKING IT A NEW FIELD, RIGHT? SO DEVELOPMENTS THERE. DON'T FORGET MARTIN COUNTY AND ALL THESE OTHERS HAVE REDEVELOPMENT AS WELL GOING ON. THE DIFFERENCE IS THEY ALSO HAVE NEW DEVELOPMENT. HISTORICALLY FOR THE LAST 100 YEARS, THE CITY HAS HAD NEW DEVELOPMENT GOING ON. THAT'S GOING TO COME TO A HALT. PRETTY SOON WHERE THERE'S REALLY THREE MAJOR PARCELS LEFT WHEN THEY'RE DEVELOPED THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL COME TO AN END AND THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE YOUR BIG COSTCO DISPUTES AND PEOPLE UPSET ABOUT STUFF LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IT JUST SIMPLY DOESN'T EXIST, AND IT WON'T HAPPENED IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THERE IS NO GREEN SPACE. AT THE ACREAGE OF 50 OR PARCELS EVEN OUT THERE, TOO. TO DEVELOP. MR MANAGER. SORRY THANK YOU. I WAS GONNA ASK JULIE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT NOW, BUT DO YOU HAVE A PLAN TO OR DO YOU HAVE UM LIKE A SCENARIO AIR B AND C FOR THIS PROPERTY. I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING 5 10 YEARS DOWN, BUT WE'VE HAD A HISTORY OF LEASE IN CITY PROPERTY, SO ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE GENERATION OF FUNDS FROM LEASES? UM ESPECIALLY DEPENDING CHANGE FROM HERE WITH THE NEXT 2 TO 5 YEARS OF THIS PROPERTY, AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS A SOURCE OF DISCUSSION. BUT DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING AT ALL? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS IN YOUR PROJECTIONS POLICES? SO YOU YOU'RE SO WHEN HE IF YOU COULD SCROLL BACK TO IT, HE HAS THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FUND THAT HE WENT INTO IT AND SHOWED IT AS REVENUE SOURCES. UM, LEASED PROPERTY MANAGEMENT RIGHT THERE. 110 IT'S JUST 1.5 AND THAT DROPS TO 1393 . THAT'S BECAUSE THERE ARE. LEASES THAT HAVE COME TO AN END THAT WERE BEING FILLED. UM DUFFY BOATS AS WELL AS THE TENANTS THAT ARE LEAVING THE WELLS BUILDING, SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE BUDGET AND FOR JOLIE'S PURPOSES, HE'S GONNA DO LIKE, HE SAID. AT THE BEGINNING, HE DOESN'T SPECULATE AND PUT NUMBERS UP HERE THAT AREN'T SUPPORTED. HE USES THE REAL NUMBERS. YOU GUYS AS A BOARD, THOUGH, WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO AS WE PURSUE THAT DISCUSSION. DO PROJECTIONS AND DECIDE IS THIS WORTH? THAT KIND OF THING. YOU KNOW, WE WILL. WE WILL PURSUE THAT MOVING FORWARD. THAT'S FINE JEWELRY. ARE YOU DONE WITH THE REVENUE SIDE? NOT QUITE YET.
OKAY. WHEN YOU FINISHED THE REVENUE SIDE, I WANT TO JUST DO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REGARDING REVENUE BEFORE WE GO ONTO EXPENSES. REVENUE QUESTIONS? YES, SIR. UM WHAT THE MANAGER WAS LAYING OUT FOR YOU IS IT'S A CHESSBOARD. AND THERE ARE TWO AVENUES PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. I MEAN AVALON TAX, WHICH IS TIME TO THAT PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT AT SOME POINT THE CITY OF STEWART'S
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BUILT OUT REDEVELOPMENT CAN GAIN BUT NOT AS NOT AS QUICKLY. AS OUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE POPULATION FACTOR. AND SO JUST ON THIS ON THIS BOARD HERE ALONE. UM THIS IS BASED ON POPULATION. THIS IS BASED ON POPULATION AND THIS IS BASED ON POPULATION, AND THERE'S A FEW OTHERS THAT ARE BASED ON POPULATION. THEY'RE JUST NOT AS SIGNIFICANT BUT IF ALL THE BOATS STAYED THE SAME TODAY IF REVENUES FROZE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING STAYED THE SAME IN MARTIN COUNTY. BUT POPULATION GREW, THE CITY OF STEWART'S REVENUES WOULD BEGIN TO REDUCE BECAUSE OUR TOTAL PERCENT PERCENT OF THE TOTAL WITH DEEP ROOTS JUST TO CLEAR RIGHT WHEN YOU SAY BASED ON POPULATION MEAN OUR POPULATION HAS A PERCENTAGE OF THE COUNTIES OVERALL. YES, SIR. YES SIR. SO YOU KNOW, AND, OF COURSE, AS TOTAL REVENUES IN THE COUNTY GO UP. OUR REVENUES WILL INCREASE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT ARE THE RATE AT WHICH WE ASCEND ARE ACCRETION RATE WILL SLOW DOWN. AND IF FOR SOME REASON, THERE WAS AN ECONOMIC DOWNTURN, I DON'T KNOW THAT MIGHT HAPPEN.AND THEY'RE PRETTY YOUNG GUY, AND IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED IN MY LIFETIME. SO IF THAT HAPPENED IF PROPERTY VALUES DROPPED OR WHERE THERE WAS AN ECONOMIC DOWNTURN, AND YOUR PERCENTAGE OF COUNTY TOTAL POPULATION DROPS, THEN. QUITE REALISTICALLY, YOUR REVENUE SHARES WOULD DROP SO REVENUES WOULD ROLL BACKWARD INSTEAD OF GOING FORWARD. JUST. JUST SOMETHING YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS HARPING ON AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL TIMES FINANCE HAS BEEN CALLED, YOU KNOW, GLOOM. AND BUT SOME THINGS HAVE COME TO FRUITION JUST IN MY TIME HERE, SO WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THOSE. UH THE POPULATION NUMBER MAYOR. I WAS SPEAKING ON JUST BECAUSE THAT DRIVES THOSE REVENUES BEFORE I GET INTO APPROPRIATIONS, WHICH IS WHAT I'M ABOUT TO GO. YOU YOU CAN ASK YOUR REVENUE QUESTIONS. SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE AND I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY ELSE IS IN SOME OF THIS IS OF LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY. UH LET'S SEE WHAT IS IT? COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX SAY THAT WE'RE NICE TO SEE WE'VE GOT A SMALL INCREASE IN THAT. UM WHAT I KNOW FOR SEVERAL YEARS THEY WERE ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET RID OF DATA, OR HAS THE STATE BEEN BACKING OFF ON ON THAT? UM MAYOR. YES, I REFERRED TO SOMETHING. I THINK YOU AND I ARE SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE.
EARLIER THE STATE HAD TOLD US MULTIPLE TIMES THAT THAT COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX WAS GOING TO BE BACKED OFF AND REDUCED BELIEVE ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU'RE A MEMBER OF SUCH AS THE FLOOR LEGAL CITIES VERY AGGRESSIVELY. LOBBY FOR THAT EVERY YEAR TO KEEP IT IN PLACE.
I HAVE NOT SEEN THE COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX REDUCE. UM EACH ONE OF OUR LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS OPTED TO FOREGO RIGHT OF WAY FEES AND FRANCHISES , SO WE USED TO HAVE FRANCHISING UTILITY TAX AGAINST ADELPHIA CABLE. ANYONE REMEMBER IT BEING CALLED ADELPHIA? YEAH SO WE HAD A FRANCHISE FEEDING UTILITY TAX AGAINST THE ADELPHIA CABLE AND ALL THE BABY BELLS. SO WE HAD, LIKE BELL SOUTH HAD A FRANCHISE FOR YOUR UTILITY TAX. THE CITY OF STEWART OPTED OUT OF ALL THOSE FRANCHISE FEES AND UTILITY TAX AND RIGHT OF WAY PERMITS IN LIEU OF THE CST. WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE HIGHEST FACTOR YOU CAN HERE WHICH IS 5.2. AGAIN BASED ON OUR POPULATION AND NUMBER OF SUBSCRIPTIONS TO THESE TELECOMMUNICATION SERVICES, SUCH AS YOUR CELL, YOUR PHONE YOUR CABLE TV, YOUR INTERNET PROVIDER. THAT MONEY IS COLLECTED BY THE STATE AND THEN REDISTRIBUTED BACK TO US BASED ON POPULATION TIMES. THOSE FACTORS AND OURS IS 5.2, AS I SAID, IS THE HIGHEST ONE YOU CAN GET. SO YES, THERE HAVE BEEN LEGISLATIVE CHALLENGES TO IT.
JUST LIKE LOCAL BUSINESS TAX. THE SECOND ONE. YOU KNOW THE NEXT LINE BELOW THAT ONE.
THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL CHALLENGES TO COMPLETELY ELIMINATE LOCAL BUSINESS TAX. I CAN TELL YOU FROM MARTIN COUNTY BUSINESS TAXES $125,000. THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH BUSINESS TAX BEING CANCELED, RIGHT $700,000, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW BEEN 3% OF GENERAL FUND THIS YEAR. IT'S ONLY TWO GIVEN SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES. SO, YEAH, I'M CONSTANTLY WATCHING THE LEGISLATIVE CHALLENGES TO THOSE TWO REVENUES. THEY ARE THESE NUMBERS . ARE THESE THE NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE FROM THE STATE? NOW? ARE THESE JUST DON'T PROJECTIONS? NO SIR, AT THE TIME THAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO PRODUCE THE PRESENTATION TO MAKE IT TO THE AGENDA. AND OF COURSE, FINANCE ALWAYS WANTS TO BE A SPECIAL FLOWER. I HAVE DEADLINES LIKE EVERYONE ELSE TO PUT THESE AGENDA ITEMS UP. BUT NO, THESE NUMBERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN CHANGED BY THE STATE, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT THE STATE HAS RELEASED SEVERAL OF THE NUMBERS NOW. SO TOMORROW MORNING, I WILL CHANGE ALL THOSE REVENUES BUILDING PERMIT FEES. ARE NOT WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING TO RECEIVE AND BUILDING PERMIT FEES. IT'S WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING TO SPEND FROM THE BUILDING. PERMIT FUN.
CORRECT THERE'S SURPLUS MONEY IN THE BUILDING PERMIT FUND. FROM THE PAST. SO WHAT? THAT WILL END
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UP BEING AS IF IT DOESN'T BRING IN THE FEES, WHICH ABSENCE OF PRETTY BIG PROJECTS. IT PROBABLY WON'T THE AMOUNT. INCREASE THERE WILL BE $497,000. WELL, ACTUALLY JUST BE A TRANSFER FROM THE ACTUAL ACCOUNT WHERE THE MONEY HAS BEEN SITTING AND CARRIED FORWARD FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS TO ACTUALLY PAY THOSE EXPENDITURES THAT ARE BEING ATTRIBUTED TO THAT ACCOUNT.JURY. I SEE ON THE LOCAL OPTION FUEL TAX. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROJECTED CHANGES EXPECTED TO STAY FLAT THIS YEAR. NO SIR. I DO NOT, HOWEVER, SINCE THAT IS A VERY COMPLICATED ECONOMETRIC MODEL, IT'S BASED ON THE ACTUAL GALLONS PUMPED AT THE AT THE PUMP RIGHT. OPTIONAL FUEL CENT TAX. UM IT'S A NUMBER THAT THE STATE PROJECTS FOR US AS WELL AND THEN HIS ALLOCATED BASED ON INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH MARTIN COUNTY. DIDN'T THE COUNTY CANCELED THE LOCAL AGREEMENT? WE'RE WORKING OFF THE STATE'S STATUTE WAS ACTUALLY A DISADVANTAGE FROM US. WAS IT THAT WOULD HAPPEN, MIKE? NO. WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. DIDN'T CANCEL IT ALTOGETHER. BUT THEY CHANGED THE METHOD AND KEPT THE MAXIMUM HAD TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY GOT A BUNCH OF MONEY BECAUSE OF THE NEW BRIDGE, BUT THAT SAME PERSON NOW REPRESENTS A CITY SIGNIFICANT. WE HAVE A GOOD ADVOCATE WORKING FOR THE OTHER SIDE NOW. GOD RIGHT, THEY WE ARE REQUIRED TO FILE A REPORT EVERY YEAR CALLED THE LOCAL HIGHWAY FINANCE REPORT. AND THAT REPORTS HOW MUCH EACH ENTITY SPENT ON TRANSPORTATION. AND SEVERAL YEARS IN A ROW. MARTIN STEWART WAS SPENDING MORE MONEY THAN MARTIN COUNTY. ON TRANSPORTATION RELATED EXPENDITURES. AND WE WERE MAKING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY OFF OF THAT. AND I THINK TO WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING MAYOR IS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR CHANGED THE METHOD AND SAID OVER JUST GOING TO GO TO THE STATE AND PULL DOWN THESE REPORTS FOR LOCAL HIGHWAY FINANCE REPORT RATHER THAN WHAT YOU DID IN YOUR BUDGET. AND WHAT YOU SPENT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH YOUR ACCOUNTING SYSTEM. AND SO IT'S BEEN MORE ADVANTAGEOUS TO THEM BECAUSE THEY GET TO REPORT THINGS LIKE A BRIDGE THAT HAD GRANT OFFSET FUNDING, BUT THAT'S JUST BETWEEN US FINANCE PEOPLE TO ARGUE. OKAY THE NEXT THE NEXT THING I HAVE ON THAT IN MY FINAL THING IS WE HAVE A REALLY TOUCHED ON IT MUCH, BUT THE FIRE ASSESSMENT FEES SO WE PUT THAT IN PLACE IF I RECALL IN 2014 HAVE WE DONE? UM YOU KNOW WHAT HAS CHANGED WITH FOR WHETHER FIRE DEPARTMENT UM AS FAR AS OUR COST OF READINESS. WE'VE YOU KNOW, WE'VE STEPPED UP THE S 01. SO WE'RE SO HAVE WE DONE HAD THE CONSULTANT COME IN AND DO AN EVALUATION? UH OF WHAT OUR COSTS ARE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HITTING DOING THE RIGHT PERCENTAGE SINCE WE DID THAT IN 2014. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE. I DON'T RECALL. IT TOOK YOU TWO YEARS OF HAGGLING MAYOR TO GET THAT IN PLACE. 2015 WAS THE FIRST YEAR WE SAW THE REVENUE FROM IT. RIGHT 2014 IS WHEN WE DID IT. SO HERE'S THE SOUP TO NUTS. THE FIRE ASSESSMENT, AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS WAS PROJECTED TO RECOUP 30% OF THE FIRE OPERATION, NOT THE AMBULANCE OPERATION FIRE, SO IT WAS SUPPOSED TO RECOUP 30% OF THAT COST. AND IT WAS DONE ON THOSE NUMBERS BACK THEN, AND THERE'S TWO TIERS TO IT. TO YOU. ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. WE HAVE A RANGE THAT WE COULD MOVE THE TIER ONE AND TIER TWO FEES UP OR DOWN WITHIN WITHOUT HAVING TO RE ADVERTISED THE ENTIRE ASSESSMENT. SO CURRENTLY WE DON'T HOLD A HEARING EACH YEAR FOR THIS ASSESSMENT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE AND BEEN LEGALLY VALIDATED. ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS SEND OUT LETTERS TO ANY NEW PARTICIPANTS IN THE FIRE ASSESSMENT. SO IF THEY SPLIT A PARCEL OR ANNEX SOMETHING, THEY GET A LETTER. SO NOW WE SEND OUT ABOUT SIX LETTERS A YEAR TO NEW PARCELS. THE FIRST YEAR WE DID IT, WE SENT OUT 4000 SOMETHING LETTERS TO VARIOUS PARCELS. 8000 TOTAL. WE HAD TO RE MAIL 4000 SORRY. AND SO, UH, SO THAT THAT ASSESSMENT YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
FACE THE PUBLIC CHALLENGE EACH YEAR WITH IT IN THAT RANGE. UNDERSTAND THAT, OKAY, THE CONSULTANT THAT I WENT FORWARD WITH THAT AT THE MANAGER'S REQUEST, AND THE CONSULTANT HAS GIVEN US, HE SAID. YOU'RE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO INCREASE THE RATES ON TIER ONE AND TIER TWO WITHOUT DOING A RE ADVERTISEMENT. IT COULD GENERATE UPWARDS OF A MILLION NINE INSTEAD OF A MILLION FOUR IF I WENT TO THE TOP OF THE RATES AND WHAT IN THE TOP OF THE RACE? WHAT PERCENTAGE WOULD THAT BE OF THE OF THE FIRE? PORTION OF OUR BUDGET OF THE ACTUAL FIRE OF THE FIRE OF THE FIRE. RESCUE BUDGET FIRE READINESS, IT WOULD PROBABLY THAT THE ORIGINAL RANGE WAS 30% WHICH WE CHOSE THE BOTTOM. HERE WE GO FROM 30 TO ABOUT 42% OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S OPERATIONAL BUDGET WE AT NOW. WEIRD LESS THAN 30 BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T CHANGED IT.
BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET HAS GROWN. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
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PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET ARE WE AT NOW FOR THE FIRE ASSESSMENTS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE UNION YET. WE DON'T HAVE THE FINAL NUMBER ON THERE, BUT THE FINAL NUMBER CORRECT, SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT. MAYBE IN THE FUTURE IS HAVING THIS CONSULTANT COME IN, AND REVIEW THE FIRE ASSESSMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HITTING THE TARGET.YES, SIR. OKAY, ANYBODY ELSE? THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU, CHRIS. JUST, UM. IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION IS AROUND HOW TO POTENTIALLY RAISED TAXES OR FEES TO PAY FOR WHAT WE'RE SPENDING WHICH MY. I KNOW I'M NEW TO THIS WHOLE PROCESS AND THIS IS THE FIRST ONE OF THESE. I'M SITTING THROUGH, BUT MY NATURE IS TOWARDS BEING MORE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE, KEEPING TAXES LOWER. AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT TO RAISE THEM. AND SPENDING LESS MONEY GENERALLY. SERVICES ARE. NECESSARY RIGHT? THE POLICE ARE HERE. THE FIRE HERE. WE NEED THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, BUT MY HOPE IS THAT WE'VE BEEN. WE'VE BEEN MADE SORT OF FAT WITH OUR MONEY AND MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND GRANTS AND A LOT OF MONEY HAS BEEN GETTING SPENT. BUT I'M HOPING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND I BELIEVE WE ARE WITH WITH MIKE AT THE HELM NOW. OF THINNING THINGS DOWN. GETTING OUR GOVERNMENT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER AND SPENDING LESS MONEY . UM ESPECIALLY IN AN INFLATING ECONOMY THAT SEEMS TO BE HEADING TOWARDS RECESSION. BUT. I TOUCHED ON THIS AT THE ZIP, RIGHT? WE TALK A LOT ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MORE MULTI FAMILY MORE MORE APARTMENTS. BUT. AS FAR AS I CAN SEE THIS IN ORDER TO PAY THE BILLS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING IF WE'RE GOING TO REDEVELOP. AH, YOUR HIGHER END. VERSUS LOWER END TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. IT'S NOT POLITICALLY POPULAR TO SAY I DON'T WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO HURT ANYBODY THAT'S IN THE WORKFORCE AND THEIR ABILITY TO LIVE HERE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE AS WE'RE GOING INTO TO REDEVELOP.
VARIOUS PARCELS AND PROJECTS THAT DO COME IN FRONT OF US JUST GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, PHILOSOPHICALLY SPEAKING TO ALL OF US. IT MAY FEEL GOOD TO WANT TO PUT LOWER END DEPARTMENT SOMEWHERE, BUT. LOOKING TO BE ABLE TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE SO WE CAN PAY OUR BILLS. BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF. WE HAVE A LARGE PERCENT OF 55 AND OLDER AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE NOT GENERATING AS MUCH ADVIL OR UM, AS OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, POTENTIALLY SO AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD, THAT'S KIND OF A GENERAL STATEMENT IS LOOKING AT HOW TO BE ABLE TO PAY OUR BILLS.
I KNOW A LOT OF OUR STAFF. I KNOW MIKE. I'M SURE JOLIE. THEY'RE ALL FEELING IT FROM OTHER STAFF AND POLICE AND FIRE. THEY FEEL THAT PRESSURE TO BUT I'D LIKE US TO BE LOOKING AT SPINNING LESS MONEY AND GENERATING MORE. GOING FORWARD. SO THAT WAS ALL. COMMISSIONER.
UM HAVING HEARD SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. AT THE MANAGER'S REQUEST. I PREPARED TO SCHEDULE TWO HOPEFULLY WHAT I. I HOPE WILL MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT YOUR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. WHAT I HAVE ON THE BOARD RIGHT NOW IS A THERE'S A CONTRAST DISPLAY BETWEEN MARTIN COUNTY AND THE CITY OF STEWART, BEGINNING BACK IN FISCAL YEAR 2007, WHICH IS OCTOBER 2006. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN IN SOME OF MY PREVIOUS BUDGET PRESENTATIONS 2007 IS A UNIQUE YEAR BECAUSE. AT THAT TIME GIVEN ARE TAXABLE VALUE OF 2.1 BILLION AND THE COUNTY'S 21 BILLION WE? WE WERE BUDGETING.
$10 MILLION IN THAT LAUREN BACK THEN. AND. THE NEXT YEAR, MARTIN COUNTY AND CITY OF STEWART BOTH THE REASON WHY THESE ARE YELLOW IS BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY ADOPTED OR A MILLAGE RATE THAT WAS LOWER THAN THE ROLLBACK RATE. SO WE GAVE THE CITIZENS A TAX CUT. AND 5.1 IS THE HIGHEST MILLAGE WE'VE EVER CHARGED AND WE'VE NEVER BEEN THERE AGAIN. UM THESE YELLOW LINES RIGHT? HERE ARE THE YEARS THAT BOTH MARTIN COUNTY AND CITY STEWART DID A RATE LESS THAN ROLL BACK NOW. 2009 IS BLUE BECAUSE THOSE OF YOU OLD TIMERS IN THE AUDIENCE REMEMBER GOVERNOR CHRIS DROPPING A STONE WHEN HE ADOPTED TAX AMENDMENT ONE TAXES WILL DROP LIKE A STONE, AND WE HAD TO REDUCE OUR TAXES BY LAW, SO MARTIN COUNTY FOLLOWED, TOO. AND SO DID CITY OF STEWART. WE ADOPTED A RATE AND KEPT IT. HOWEVER, MARTIN COUNTY AS SOON AS THEY THEY TOOK A BEATING ON THEIR REVENUES,
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
86 I GUARANTEE YOU. THE EXPENDITURES DID NOT GO DOWN DURING THAT TIME. SO THIS IS MORE ABOUT YOUR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, NOT ABOUT COMPARING YOURSELF TO THE COUNTY AND NO MATTER IF YOU WANT TO, OR DON'T WANT TO COMPARE YOURSELF WITH THE COUNTY, THE GENERAL PERSON THAT RECEIVES THEIR TAX BILL. HAS DIFFICULTY REALLY LOOKING AT THE TAX BILL. THEY LOOK AT THE TOTAL NUMBER AT THE BOTTOM AND THE TOTAL NUMBER IS ABOUT 20 MILS BECAUSE IT INCLUDES THE SCHOOL BOARD. THE COUNTY SOFTWARE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, AS WELL AS OTHER STORM WATER AND OTHER ASSESSMENTS. AND ON TOP OF THAT, WHAT WE LEARNED IN THE FIRE STUDY. WAS THAT 65% OF THE PARCELS. DIDN'T HAVE AN IMPACT AT ALL IF WE INCREASED OR DECREASED TAXES BECAUSE THEIR TAXES. WE'RE LESS THAN $100. THAT'S CHANGED NOW, BUT THE SAVE OUR HOMES. AND THE PORTABILITY OF THE SAVE OUR HOMES MEANS THAT EVERY TIME WE HAVE A NEW DEVELOPMENT OR AN OLD DEVELOPMENT OR WHATEVER THE HOUSE SELLS, AND SOMEBODY FROM MIAMI BUYS THAT HOUSE CARRY WITH THEM THEIR HOMESTEAD THAT THEY HAD IN MIAMI AND AS A RESULT THAT HOUSE DOESN'T PAY FULL FREIGHT TAXES OR PAY A TAX RATE IS IF WE ANTICIPATED JUMPING UP AND IT AT A MILLION DOLLAR VALUATION FOR A HOUSE. 20 MILLS WOULD BE $20,000 IN TAXES, BUT THE REALITY IS VERY FEW MILLION DOLLAR HOMES ARE PAYING $20,000 IN TAXES BECAUSE OF THE HOMESTEAD. THE 3% MAXIMUM TAX INCREASE. SOMEONE CAN PAY MEANS THAT IF YOU'VE OWNED YOUR HOUSE FOR MORE THAN FIVE YEARS. YOU'RE PROBABLY PAYING WELL BELOW MARKET VALUE ON THE TAX VALUE OF THE TAX RATE OF YOUR HOUSE. SO ALTHOUGH IF WE KEEP OUR TAXES FLAT AND DON'T INCREASE OUR TAXES. YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A 3% INCREASE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU GET ON THE UNDER THE STATE'S SAVE OUR HOME SPACE IF WE REDUCE OUR TAXES. YOU'RE STILL GOING TO GET A 3% INCREASE IN YOUR TAXES BECAUSE YOU'RE WELL BELOW MARKET ON PAYMENT ANYWAY, SO YOU WOULD NOT EVEN FEEL THAT REDUCTION. IT WOULD NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNT YOUR PAYING THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR IN TAXES. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS CUMULATIVELY OVER THE COURSE OF 10 YEARS, IT'LL CATCH UP TO BE ABOUT A $6 MILLION AND OBVIOUSLY IT CAN BE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THAT OVER TIME. BUT IF YOU REALLY DRILL DOWN AND LOOK AT IT NOW, CERTAINLY WALMART AND THE BIG BOXES I DON'T ENJOY THE
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HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, SO THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE A TAX INCREASE OR DECREASE BASED UPON VALUATION.BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT THROUGH THE HOMESTEAD COMPONENT OF OUR OF OUR RESIDENTS THEY WOULDN'T BE IMPACTED BY IT. I KNOW WE ALL TALK ABOUT THE MILITARY IN CASE IN THE MILITARY DECREASE IN ALL THIS STUFF AS IF IT DRIVES THE BUS. REALISTICALLY IT'S 36% OF THE BUS BEST THE LIKE JUST TO THE POINT OF MULTI FAMILY LIKE A APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT JUST TAKE ONE THAT'S BEEN HERE. WHAT IS THE ONE UP THERE BY BEST BUY ACCESS. NO, THAT'S NOT ACCESS THE OTHER ONE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR WHATEVER BUT COMMONLY USED TO BE PINEAPPLE COMMENTS RIGHT OR WHATEVER, BUT UM, ATRIUM. ONE DO YOU KNOW THEY ARE? ARE THEY? ARE THEY A LOW TAXPAYER? HIGH TAXPAYER UPSET ITSELF. WELL, THERE THOSE ARE THE APARTMENTS. ACTUALLY, IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I ACTUALLY AM BEING NEW OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, WAS IN THE TOP FIVE. UH TAXPAYERS FOR THE CITY OF STEWART. AND I'M LOOKING UP RIGHT NOW. AND THE ONE UP THERE BY BEHIND. BEST BUY WILL BE DEFINITELY IN THE TOP 10. BUT THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY OF WEIGHING THAT AGAINST. WHO WHO IS LIVING HERE? IN TERMS OF THERE ARE THESE PEOPLE INVESTED , OR WE JUST FILL IN THE CITY WITH APARTMENTS? AND YOU KNOW RIGHT? I MEAN, THIS IS NOT JUST THE MONEY TAXES, RIGHT? ALL MY DISCUSSIONS. TAXES. NOTHING ELSE . OKAY WE HAVE A WE HAVE A WE TRIED TO. I KNOW THAT ARPAIO WAS MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO. WE WE TRY TO MATCH RECURRING REVENUES AGAINST RECURRING EXPENSES. ONE TIME REVENUES AGAINST CAPITAL PROJECTS IS FINE AND I QUIT LIKE A LARGE NEW HOME TO KIND OF THAT ONE TIME REVENUE. YOU GET IT WHEN IT GETS BUILT. BUT THEN, AFTER THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION KICKS IN YOU DON'T REALLY GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF NEW REVENUE OFF OF IT TO CONTINUE TO FUND THAT ONGOING SORTS. COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES CONTINUE TO RIGHT INCREASE IN VALUE, SO THAT'S A GOOD RELIABLE AND THAT'S JUST GOINOURCE TO OFFSET ON THE POINT I WAS ABOUT TO MAKE, WHICH IS THE INVESTMENT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S RELATED TO THIS CONVERSATION, THE PEOPLE WHO OWN HOMES OUR OWN ARE INVESTED. I LIKE FOR ME. I HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS HERE, AND I DO PLAY INTO THAT COMMERCIAL COMPONENT. BECAUSE I'M INVESTED IN THE STEWART. COMMISSIONER AND WHILE THE MANAGERS LOOKING UP SOME NUMBERS, I'LL SHARE A STORY WITH YOU. WHEN WE PUT IN THE FIRE ASSESSMENT. AND WE SENT OUT THOSE 8000 LETTERS AND THEN HAD TO RE MAIL FOR 1000 OF THEM BECAUSE OF ADDRESS CHANGES. I SPOKE TO HUNDREDS. I MEAN, HUNDREDS OF CITIZENS PERSONALLY ON THE PHONE BECAUSE I MADE THE MISTAKE OF PUTTING MY DIRECT NUMBER ON THE CONTACT BILL. AND YES, THAT WAS THE MISTAKE AND HAVING SPOKEN TO I GUARANTEE YOU 600 PEOPLE DIRECTLY. 590 OF THEM DID NOT UNDERSTAND THEIR TAX BILL, AND THEY LITERALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, I'VE PAID, YOU KNOW $200 IN TAXES THIS YEAR. THIS IS A LOW INCOME PERSON. AND I SAID , WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR TAX BILL WERE LIKE LINE NUMBER EIGHT HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY US, AND IT WAS $8. THAT PERSON HAD NO IDEA. THEY THOUGHT $200 WAS GOING TOWARDS THEIR POLICE, THEIR FIRE , THEIR ROADS, THEIR PARKS, SO I GOT THE ONLY $8 WAS GOING TO US . I'VE GOT THE AREA. APARTMENTS THAT MAYOR HAD MENTIONED. AND THEIR ANNUAL TAX BILL FOR THIS YEAR. IS 694,543. AND THEY WILL PAY IT FIVE MILLS TO THE CITY OF STEWART 189,374. IN TAXES. SO THAT'S THAT'S A REAL THAT'S A REAL CHECK OF MEASURES TO THANK FOR MY BACK TO JOEY'S CONVERSATION. WHEN WE DID THE FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE, I MET WITH A GROUP OF RESIDENTS AND VILLAGE EIGHT AT CEDAR POINT. AND THE AH, FOR THREE OR FOUR OF THE SEVEN PEOPLE I MET WITH THEIR TAX BILL WAS UNDER THE CITY.
STEWART WAS UNDER $5. BUT ALSO I JUST SOLD MY HOUSE AND I WAS LOOKING. I WAS TRYING TO CALCULATE WHAT THE PERSON WHO I WAS PAYING ABOUT 2100 HOURS A YEAR AND TOTAL PROPERTY TAXES. I BELIEVE, DEPENDING ON HOW THE PROPERTY APPRAISER ASSESSES IT. BUT IF I DO IT WHERE THEY TURN US, SO WE DO IT WILL BE PAINTING. 9500 RIGHT. SO IF THEY GIVE THE PERSON THAT BOUGHT IT WASN'T PORTABLE. THEY CAME FROM AMANDA. I DON'T THINK SO. YOU SOLD IT TO SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT PORTABLE, WOULD YOU THE FULL VALUE? YEAH, SO, BUT IT'S BUT I'M POOR REPORTING OVER TO THE HOME I BOUGHT AND REDUCING THE NUMBER OF TAXES, SO IT'S LIKE A WASH FOR ME, BUT IT'S THE WAY
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THE TAX SYSTEM IS KIND OF WONKY FARCES. CALCULATING A REVENUES BECAUSE OF THE LONG TERM THE LONGER SOMEONE OWNS A PROPERTY. IT ACTUALLY DRIVES THE TAX BASE DOWN. AND THE ONLY REASON THE ONLY REASON I EVEN MENTIONED IT IS BECAUSE THE WHOLE BUDGET IS A LOT MORE THAN JUST THE MORE UM, BUT I THINK THAT WE RUN INTO THIS SITUATION WHERE UM PEOPLE. UM PERCEIVED OH, WELL. THE PROPERTY VALUES AND STUART ARE SO FAR UP AND THERE MUST BE JUST AND YOU KNOW, AND ANOTHER ENDING. FLOW OF MONEY, BUT THE TRUTH OF IT IS THAT WHEN THE PROPERTY VALUES ARE UP, THAT'S GREAT, AND EVERYONE SELLING THEIR HOUSES AND GETTING SECOND MORTGAGES AND DOING ALL SORTS OF STUFF. BUT THE TRUTH IS THE SAVE OUR HOMES CAPS THAT ASSESSMENT AT 3% REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT IT SAYS THEY'RE UP 18% OR WHATEVER IT IS, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF OTHER TOOLS THAT PLAY BUT CHANGES IT, MISTER MANAGER. I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T PREPARE IT FOR TODAY'S PRESENTATION, BUT THERE IS A REPORT AT THE DIOR WEBSITE WHERE THEY SHOW HOW MUCH IS LEFT ON THE TABLE FROM SAVE OUR HOMES BY COUNTY AND BY CITY. I DID LOOK AT IT THE OTHER DAY, AND I CAN TELL YOU IT'S LOTS OF COMMAS. COULD YOU SEND THAT TO EVERYBODY COULD, SIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND EVERYBODY IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO THOSE LOOKING AT THE TIME, AND IT'S 4 35, AND WE STILL HAVE A SIERRA MEETING FOR THE ALRIGHT SO QUICKLY HERE AGAIN, UH, MY BEST EXAMPLE RIGHT AWAY IS TO SHOW YOUR OWN BUDGET SAYS THAT THE CITY COMMISSION THIS IS WHY I'M I'M ASKED TO DO THESE REPORTS AND THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS INFORMATIVE DATA. BUT YOU CAN'T REALLY MAKE A DECISION OFF OF IT BECAUSE, ACCORDING TO THIS, THE CITY COMMISSION BUDGET DROPPED $500,000. THAT'S BECAUSE YOU DID A BUDGET AMENDMENT IN THE CURRENT YEAR TO AWARD RP FUNDS TO A WORTHY RECIPIENT. SO SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN YOUR CURRENT 24 REQUEST, IT LOOKS LIKE I CUT YOUR BUDGET BY $500,000. SO WHEN YOU SEE SOME OF THESE LARGE CUTS TO BUDGETS OR CHANGES, UM IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE OF A BUDGET AMENDMENT IN THE CURRENT YEAR FOR SOME CAPITAL ITEM OR REQUEST. ONE POINT OF INTEREST IS, UM, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. SHE ACTUALLY HAD SOME PRETTY GOOD IDEAS ABOUT ROLLING NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES INTO THE PLANNING AND BUILDING. DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REALLY PRIMARILY INVOLVED WITH G. I S AND SOME OTHER EXPENDITURES SO AS TO WHAT THE MANAGER WAS SAYING, WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT BUILDING PERMANENT RESERVE SO YOU CAN SEE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES NOW HAS A ZERO BUDGET FOR 24. BECAUSE WE'VE ROLLED THAT ACTIVITY INTO THE BUILDING AND PERMITTING DEPARTMENT ABOVE IT, WHICH SHOWS AN INCREASE. AND THEN ALSO DOWN THERE, YOU'LL SEE TRANSPORTATION MAINTENANCE. THERE WERE SOME THERE WERE MULTIPLE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUNDED IN THE CURRENT YEAR THAT ARE NOT BEING REQUESTED IN THE NEW YEAR.SO THAT'S THAT'S THE THING AND THEN GENERAL OPERATING. WE CURRENTLY ARE STILL SHOWING SOME TRANSFERS INTO RESERVES. THOSE ARE THE MANAGER'S DISCRETION TO ROLL THE DICE AND POSSIBLY NOT FUND THEM AS AGGRESSIVELY. THAT'S ONE OF THE RABBITS THAT WE PULL OUT OF HATS, SOMETIMES, WHICH IS A GAMBLE. THIS ONE IS A LITTLE MORE TELLING SO PERSONAL SERVICES AS A WHOLE FOR GENERAL FUND HAS GONE UP 14% BUT THAT'S THE TOTAL FREIGHT CHARGE. INCLUSIVE. THAT'S FRS INCREASE.
HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASE WORKERS' COMP INCREASE, AS WELL AS NEW POSITIONS REQUESTED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND SOME OTHERS. SO THAT'S ALL INCLUSIVE SO THAT YOU KNOW WHEN YOU SEE 14% IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALL THE EXISTING EMPLOYEES GETTING RAISES ITS ALL OF THE BENEFITS AND NEW POSITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT MORE TELLING NUMBERS, THE OPERATING EXPENSES ONLY ONE OF 6% WHICH IS GREAT THE CAPITAL OUTLAY, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A 45% REDUCTION BECAUSE WE HAD THOSE ARE BOTH PROJECTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WERE FATTENED US UP IN THE CURRENT YEAR AREN'T BEING REQUESTED IN THE NEW YEAR. AND THEN DEBT SERVICE. THERE'S A SMALL INCREASE BECAUSE THIS BUDGET WOULD BE OUT OF BALANCE BY ABOUT 4 MILLION, BUT I HAVE AT LEAST PROJECTED TO FUND SOME FIRE APPARATUS REQUEST THROUGH A LOCAL DEBT SERVICE GRANTS AND AIDS IS DOWN THAT $500,000 AGAIN THE AWARD TO THE WORTHY RECIPIENT OF THE RP FUNDS. AND THEN OTHER USES THAT STILL THOSE TRANSFERS. I'M TALKING ABOUT TO OUR BOTTOM LINE THAT THE MANAGER WILL MAKE A DECISION ON UH, INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUES.
UNFORTUNATELY THE GENERAL FUND TRANSFER OF 2.2 MILLION IS HIDDEN IN THAT 3.1 MILLION, WHICH INCLUDES TRANSFERS FROM GRANTS, BUT THERE'S A $2.2 MILLION TRANSFER IN THERE FROM THE CITY OF STEWART GENERAL BOND INTO THIS AREA. AND THEN, UM, I'M SORRY I HAVE THAT BACKWARDS . THE 3.1 IS MARTIN COUNTY. THE OTHER SOURCES. THE 8.3 MILLION INCLUDES THE 2.2 FROM US NOW THE 3.1 MILLION IS ALREADY DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE REFERENCED MARTIN COUNTY'S BUDGET MEETING WHERE THEY NEEDED A UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADOPT THE 6.9541 MILLS THAT THEY HAD PROJECTED THAT STAFF HAD
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PROJECTED. I NOW KNOW THAT THEY ARE ONLY DOING 6.7615 MILLS SO THAT WILL CHANGE. THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE BEING BUDGETED. IT WILL REDUCE THE AMOUNT AMOUNT OF REVENUE COMING TO R. C. R A AND THEN, UM, WORD ON NOT TO EXCEED THE ONE ACTION ITEM THAT THE MANAGER WILL BE REQUESTING FROM YOU TODAY IS TO DIRECT ME OF WHAT NUMBER TO PUT ON THE D R 4 20 AS OUR NOT TO EXCEED MILITARY RATE FOR THE COMING FISCAL YEAR. THIS RATE IS THE RATE THAT YOU PROMISE YOU WON'T GO OVER NOW.WE CAN. YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO SEND OUT OUR OWN SEPARATE TAX BILLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT BASICALLY THIS IS SETTING YOUR CEILING AND YOU CAN COME ANYWHERE FROM HERE TO LOWER DOWN TO THE CURRENT 5.1 MILLS. BUT JUST AS A TEASER. I'VE SAID HEY , IF YOU GAVE ME ANOTHER QUARTER MIL, IT WOULD GENERATE THIS MUCH MONEY. AND THEN I WOULD HAVE TO GIVE MORE TO THE SIERRA. SO ACTUALLY, THE NET INCREASE WOULD BE $647,000 GENERAL FUND. THIS WOULD LEAVE THE MANAGER ONLY NEEDING TO CUT $560,000 OUT OF THE CURRENT ITERATION. SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. WE'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY IS A MOTION TO NOT EXCEED THAT IS NOT ADOPTING A TAX RATE. IT MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS TO THE STATE BY AUGUST, 4TH. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER MEETING DURING WHICH TO COME BACK AND HAVE YOU GUYS DO IT. WELL WORKING WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND JULIE AND I ARE OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE SEEN EVERYTHING IS FOCUSED ON THE FIVE MILLS. BUT IF YOU DON'T ADOPT IT AT THE 5.25 RATE, AND IT TURNS OUT, IT NEEDS TO BE 5.00001 MILLS TO MAKE IT BALANCED TO MAKE EVERYTHING HAPPEN. YOU COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT DOING YOUR OWN AS YOU MENTIONED NOTICES AND TAXES AND ALL THE STUFF YOU HAVE NO DISCRETION WHATSOEVER. UNLESS YOU DO IT NOT TO EXCEED RATE OF SOMETHING ABOVE THAT NOW FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE COMING IN AND A TAX INCREASE. AND THIS LEADS ME. THE LAST THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WITH YOU, TOO. AND THAT IS LAST YEAR WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE UM MOVING THE SANITATION AND WE DID THE SANITATION RATES THE FIRST YEAR DIDN'T MATTER. BUT WHEN I'M WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE GARAGE DEVELOPMENT AND LOOKING AT THE SITE ON PALM BEACH ROAD THERE WAS SOME DISPARITY IN THE ACTUAL AND COST OF WHAT WAS GOING TO BE BUILT OR NOT BUILT. BUT THAT CONSOLIDATION OF STAFFING ON SITE AND, UM THE ACTUAL VALUE AND QUALITY OF WHAT GOT BUILT. SEEMS A LOT BETTER.
AND WHEN I'M LOOKING AT IT, AND AGAIN, I KNOW THERE WAS A HOUSING COMPONENT TIED TO IT LAST YEAR WHEN THE DISCUSSION WAS MADE. I'M NOT HAVING THAT HOUSING COMPONENT DISCUSSION.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT MY MIND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE DISCRETION FROM THE BOARD. TO BRING BACK UM, THE ISSUE JUST TO AT LEAST ADDRESS BECAUSE WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE PRESENTATION EVEN IF WE DID THE $12 MILLION FULL ON FULL FREIGHT PLAN. OUR RATE WOULD END UP AT THE AT THE END OF SIX OR SEVEN YEARS, IT WOULD BE AT $28.18 AND I'M LOOKING AT THE COUNTY THAT'S CURRENTLY AT $32.47 IN PORT ST LUCIE IS $35.26 AND FOUR APPEARS IS $26. ARE YOU ASKING FOR SPECIFICALLY A HIGH RATE WOULD BE IT WILL LAST YEAR'S RATE STUDY IT WOULD BE TO SELECT THE SECOND ALTERNATIVE. THE FIRST ALTERNATIVE THAT WAS THE NEW FACILITY ALTERNATIVE TO BE BUILT ON, UM PALM BEACH ROAD RATHER THAN ON MLK AND HOLD ON THE TRUTH. FRANCE PROBABLY TRUE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S AWAY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION IS NOT ON PAUL METRO. THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION IS WITHIN THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT'S AT 10TH STREET. IT JUST USES A PARKING LOT IN ACCESS FROM POMPEY DRUG AND THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS GOING TO BE THERE WAS A SINGLE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING. IRONICALLY IN THE ISSUE NEVER EVEN CAME UP. BUT THAT ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING WAS GOING TO. IT WAS GOING TO HOUSE ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE ANNEX. SO IF IN FACT WE WERE TO END UP MOVING CITY HALL TO WELLS FIRE GO. WHEN THAT HAPPENS, I'M GOING TO ASK THE CITY COMMISSION WHERE THEY WANT TO BUILD A BUILDING.
TO HOUSE THE PEOPLE IN THE ANNEX , BECAUSE WHEN THEY WHEN THE COMMISSION CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT NEW FACILITY ROUTE, NOBODY FILLED IN THE OFFICE IS FOR THOSE PEOPLE OR THE CONSOLIDATION OF THOSE PEOPLE DIDN'T PUT THEM ANYWHERE. UM NOT THAT I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE DO IT TODAY. JUST IF YOU'RE ALL INCLINED NOT TO DO IT AT ALL I UNDERSTAND, AND I WON'T BRING IT BACK. BUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS, IF THERE IS ANY INCLINATION OR ANY INTEREST IN IT. I WOULD BRING IT BACK AND FOLLOW UP BUDGET MEETINGS AND HAVE IT BE PART OF THE BUDGET
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MOVING FORWARD. THE DIRECTION RIGHT NOW WAS TO INCLUDE THE FIRST YEAR DIDN'T MATTER BECAUSE THE RATE WAS EXACTLY THE SAME. SO THE RATE STAYED THE SAME MOVING TO NEXT YEAR. THE DIFFERENCES 23 05. VERSUS 23 49 . SO IT'S 44 CENTS IS THE DIFFERENCE. ULTIMATELY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $6 MILLION WAS THE DIFFERENCE RIGHT? BUT OVER THE COURSE OF SIX YEARS, AND IT'S ALSO FIVE BUILDINGS AND A BUNCH OF OTHER CONSTRUCTION WAS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT. YOU CAN ALSO RAISE IT DOWN AND TAKE THREE OF THE BUILDINGS OUT AND LIMIT THE CONSTRUCTION ON IT.AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I BRING IT UP AS WELL AS BECAUSE OCCURRED TO ME THAT YOU ADOPTED A FORM BASED CODE. IN THE MEANTIME. AND THIS IS A NONCONFORMING USE SO YOU WOULDN'T ACTUALLY LET SOMEONE ELSE BUILD A GARAGE AT THAT LOCATION. SO IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE CODE AND IF REQUIRES ESSENTIALLY A VARIANCE FROM THE CODE BECAUSE THE TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL USE THAT'S BEING PROMOTED OR PRODUCED. WOULD BE ALLOWED TO STAY AT ITS CURRENT PLACE, BUT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO EXPAND REVIEWS, AND IN THEORY, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING THAT'S PREDICTED TO BE TORN DOWN AND BUILD A NEW BUILDING BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE CAN WE AGENDA THIS? AND THIS ACTUALLY BEING PRESENTATION THAT SOUNDS LIKE PACKING THE CENTER.
YOU HAVE AN AGENDA, OKAY? YEAH OKAY, THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW IF THAT'S A CONSENSUS. THAT CONSENSUS IS THAT THAT AT LEAST GIVE JULIE AND I SOME CONVERSATION RELATIONS DOING STUFF. THANK YOU. JOLLY UM I JUST WANTED TO ASK MIKE AND ME ARE EVERYBODY WHAT'S YOUR SCHEDULE AGAIN TO COME BACK WITH THIS? TO MY PROPOSAL, BALANCE THING WELL BASED ON 4, SEPTEMBER WILL BE COMING BACK. YOU KNOW, AUGUST FOR SURE. UM DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE. I WAS GOING TO SIT DOWN WITH JULIE. ONCE WE HAVE THE NUMBERS, I WOULD HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO TAG IT ONTO ONE OF THE MONDAY MEETINGS. AND MAYBE AUGUST 14TH THAT MAYBE AUGUST 24TH, BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNLESS YOU WANT TO HAVE A SPECIFIC UM, BUDGET MEETING.
UM IT'S UP TO YOU. BUT NO MATTER WHAT TODAY I NEED A MOTION TO NOT EXCEED 5.2 OR FIVE FOR A SECOND, MIKE. UH I THINK I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE IT UP TO US TO YOUR DISCRETION. IF YOU NEED A SPECIAL BUDGET WORKSHOP. THANK YOU. IF YOU CAN ADD IT TO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRST MEETING DO IT IN THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST THAT WAY, IF WE DO NEED TO COME BACK TO SORT SOME THINGS OUT, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME VERSUS DOING IT THE LAST MEETING AND THEN HAVING TO GO RIGHT INTO OUR BUDGET HEARING IN SEPTEMBER, AND I TOTALLY AGREE. SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WHAT? WHY DON'T I GET A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN? AH WITH JOLIE AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT. BASED UPON TODAY'S MEETING, AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, AND WE'LL BY THEN HOPEFULLY HAVE THESE CONTRACTS OF ORDER AND HAVE SOME REAL NUMBERS FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER RICH JULIE. IS THERE AN APPROPRIATION IN HERE FOR PUTTING SIDEWALKS AND STEADMAN AND STORM WATER? YES SIR. CURRENTLY IN THIS ITERATION, THERE IS SOME STEP INSIDE WALK WORK. HOWEVER I'VE BEEN INFORMED THAT FOLLOWING A RECENT CRB MEETING THAT THAT PROJECT MAY NOW NO LONGER BE NEEDED. HOW MUCH IS THAT APPROPRIATION IN THE CURRENT BUDGET IN THIS ONE HERE? I WOULD HATE TO MISQUOTED, BUT I THINK IT'S AROUND. 881.6 OR 1.84 0.8. RIGHT TO THE WEATHER. STORM WATER WAS 3.6. YEAH SO OH, BOTH. SO THE 3.6 IS IN THERE AS WELL. JULIE? YES, SIR. SO THE TOTAL WOULD BE 5.2. WARNING. IN THE SIERRA BUDGET. OKAY YES, GENERAL FUNDS TO CR, RIGHT? OKAY BETWEEN SIERRA AND STORMWATER, A SMALL PIECE OF BOAT. THANK YOU JUST GOING TO SAY, MR MAYOR. IF MIKE IF YOU NEED TO DO A 10 A.M. OR 1, P.M. OR TWO PM NOT JUST A HALF AN HOUR. I MEAN, I'LL FIX MY SCHEDULE. WE JUST DID AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES NOW. I MEAN, I AGREE. I THINK, THOUGH, THAT WITH DIRECTION FROM YOU GUYS AND WE KNOW WHERE YOU ARE AT, UM WE CAN SIT DOWN AND TIGHTEN THINGS UP, HOPEFULLY ON AUGUST 14TH MEETING, I CAN EITHER SPECIALLY SETTLED BUDGET WORKSHOP OR WE CAN HAVE SOME REAL DIRECTION FOR YOU NOT TO EXCEED RIGHT IN THIS MEETING OR IN THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING. I DON'T THINK IT MEANT WITH THIS MEETING IS WITH THIS IS THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, SO THIS WOULD BE THE ONE TO MAKE A MOTION 5.25.
THAT'S WHAT REQUESTED MOTION. PROMOTION YES. SECONDS OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND PARDON? YEAH THAT'S ENOUGH TO EXCEED SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A 5.25 NOT TO EXCEED RATE FOR THE MILLAGE. UM ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. SAYING NONE MARRIAGE GOT THE RAW COMMISSIONER RICH? YES COLLINS COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES, BRUNER MCDONALD. OKAY, MIKE, BUT WE WANT YOU TO COME IN AT FIVE.
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RIGHT I GET THAT THAT'S THAT'S OUR PLAN, BY THE WAY. FIVE PLANETS NOT 5 75. YOU CAN ALWAYS COME IN LOWER THAN THAT. BUT YOU CAN'T COME IN HIGHER. OKAY UH, THERE'S ANYTHING NOTHING ELSE.I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THIS MEETING AND WE'LL GET READY FOR THE C R A MEETING. OKAY RIGHT HERE TO JOIN.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.