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WHEN YOU GUYS ARE READY, OKAY? I'M GONNA CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER OF THE OF THE CRB. WRONG PALMERI CHAIR CAMPENNI VICE CHAIR SHRUB. BOARD MEMBER BROOKVILLE HERE, LOUIS CRYSTAL HERE, MOSER AND BOARD MEMBER OWENS. OKAY, WE HAVE A QUORUM. YEAH, ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. PUBLIC ONE NATION INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY.
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AND I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. SO MOVE SECOND 2ND DID I HAVE A MOTION BY MARK BROOKVILLE SEX SECONDED BY I JUST NAMED IT FLEW OUT OF MY HEAD. TAPANI MOSER ALL IN FAVOR.[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ALRIGHT I GOT A APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. MOVE APPROVAL. AND I GOT A SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY FRANK MCCHRYSTAL SETS SECONDED BY. LOUIS THANK YOU. WELL FAVORITE ROCKVILLE OR BLOCK.IT'S ALRIGHT. THEY SWITCHED PLACES. WELL IN FAVOR. AYE, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
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COMMENTS BY BOARD MEMBERS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. I HAVE JUST A QUICK QUESTION. UM DO YOU THINK AT SOME POINT I KNOW I'M NEW TO THE COMMITTEE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE. WHAT WE'VE APPROVED THAT HASN'T BEEN BUILT YET IN THE C R A AND WHAT'S OUT THERE? POTENTIALLY COMING ONLINE? I JUST I KNOW THERE'S SOME BIG PROJECTS THAT WERE APPROVED. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING HAPPEN. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUS WAS. AND I WAS WONDERING AT SOME POINT IF WE COULD MAYBE GET AN UPDATE ON THAT. DID YOU DO THAT? THE NEXT WEEK? JUST STATUS REPORT? SURE YEAH. USUALLY I PROVIDE THE STATUS REPORT IN MARCH. WHICH YOU PROBABLY OBVIOUSLY YOU WEREN'T ON THE BOARD AND THEN AS PART OF THE BUDGET, I USUALLY KIND OF GIVE AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE MAJOR PROJECTS THAT ARE THERE ON THE C I P HE'S TALKING ABOUT. HE'S TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. SO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECTS. THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT WE'VE APPROVED WITHIN THE C R. A THAT ARE CURRENTLY EITHER IN PROCESS WHERE THEY'RE AT IN STAFF OR TO THE EARLIER THAT STAFF OR THEY, YOU KNOW WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THEM? COULD HAVE JODY FROM DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY ACTION ITEMS. START PROPERTY SURVEY UPDATE REPORT.[2. 2023 HISTORIC PROPERTIES SURVEY UPDATE REPORT]
HI THANK YOU. PANEL DENISE ABDA, SIERRA DIRECTOR. FOR THE RECORD , THIS REPORT WAS ACTUALLY PRESENTED TO YOU BACK IN MARCH. IT WAS JUST A DRAFT REPORT. AT THAT TIME WE PARTNER WITH MAIN STREET TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT TO UPDATE THIS 1991 HISTORIC PROPERTY SURVEY REPORT. UH WE HIRE MAIN SHOULD ACTUALLY HIRED PAUL WEAVER. WHO WAS THE ORIGINAL CONSULTANT ON THE INITIAL SURVEY BACK IN 1991, THE NEW SURVEY UPDATES THE ORIGINAL DATA REMOVES ANY BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED OVER THE YEARS SINCE WE DID THE LAST SURVEY AND ADDED NEW PROPERTIES , THERE ARE AT LEAST 50 YEARS OR OLDER THAT WERE NOT RECORDED IN THE PREVIOUS SURVEY. THE NEW SURVEY ALSO PROVIDES A BASIS FOR THE CITY AND THE C R A TO NOMINATE DOWNTOWN STUART AS A NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, SO MAIN STREET IS TAKEN INITIATIVE TO APPLY FOR A GRANT SO THAT THEY CAN DO THE SECOND STEP OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS TO HIRE CONSULTANTS TO PREPARE THE NOMINATION. APPLICATION FOR THE DESIGNATION, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE DOING IN THE EAST STEWART HISTORIC DISTRICT. AH I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IN THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, WE DO HAVE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SECTION THAT REQUIRES THE 30 DAY WAITING PERIOD WHEN WE HAVE A DEMOLITION PERMIT. UH SO THIS OWNER HAS TO EITHER PRESERVE THE STRUCTURE, RELOCATE THE STRUCTURE OR DONATE THE STRUCTURE TO THE CITY OR OTHER PRESERVATION ORGANIZATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF RELOCATING IT TO ANOTHER SITE. UM AND THAT THE OWNER HAS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY'VE LOOKED AT ALL ALL THE EFFORTS HAVE BEEN MADE AND IF KNOWS, OPTIONS ARE VIABLE ON THEN THEY WOULD GET A PERMIT TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE. BUT THE REPORT WILL HELP TO SERVE TO IDENTIFY THOSE HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND ENCOURAGE TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE STUDY. AH PAUL WEAVER IS HERE. HE'S GOING TO PROVIDE THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE REPORT AT THE END OF THE REPORT AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, WE'RE LOOKING FOR APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 95-2023, WHICH WILL APPROVE THE UPDATED REPORT.PAUL. GOOD AFTERNOON. PAUL WEAVER, FIVE. MILTON STREET, ST AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA AND PRESIDENT
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OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES DECISION ALSO A TWO TIMES, GRADUATED. UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA UM, OFFICIALLY IN MOURNING DEGREES ANYWAY. TWO DEGREES AND I THOUGHT OF CANCELING AFTER THE CONDUCTED DAME. BUT THEN I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN SO I GUESS ACCUSTOMED TO LOSING. IT ONLY TAKES ME A DAY TO RECOVER. SO THAT WAS SUNDAY, BUT ANYWAY I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT OUR UPDATE REPORT. I HOPE YOU GOT A CHANCE IT WAS. I CAN'T GIVE IT TO EVERYBODY IN PDF UM I REALLY WANT TO THANK ME NOW AND HER TEAM. KANSAS KANSAS CALLAHAN, MAIN STREET MANAGER, AND JACK DR JACKIE MAY THE CITY GRANT SPECIALISTS. THEY ALL HELPED AND VARIOUS DEGREES. I THINK THE GRAPHICS OR REALLY, I'M A HISTORIAN. SO IT'S MOSTLY WORDS WITH ME, BUT THEY DID A REALLY NICE JOB OF MAKING IT LOOK VERY, VERY ATTRACTIVE, SO I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THEM AND LET THEM KNOW I REALLY APPRECIATE THE RECORDING IN PROGRESS. SO. EVERYBODY COMING THROUGH LATIN.CLEAR. I CAN TELL WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY IS JUST TO PRESENT YOU WITH THE FINAL, UM HISTORIC BUILDING SURVEY NOW MENTIONED. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I'M FROM ST AUGUSTINE. GOOD. SO I CAN SAY BELIEVE IT OR NOT. I DID THIS VIRGINAL WORK IN 1991. I'M NOT SURE I'M GOING TO BE AROUND TO DO ANOTHER ONE IN 30 YEARS, BUT IT WAS A LOT OF FUN. IT WAS IT WAS FUN TO COME BACK AND SEE HOW MUCH PROGRESS HAD BEEN MADE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I HOPE EVERYONE WORK DID A AH CONTRIBUTED SOMEWHAT TO THAT. BUT THE PEOPLE PEOPLE LIKE JOAN JEFFERSON UNDERSTOOD WANI CAME IN AND THE LATE 19 EIGHTIES AND THAT PLAN REALLY, I THINK, HELP TURN STEWART AROUND AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION WAS A BIG PART OF IT WITH THE SAVING OF THEM ALL MOUNTAIN, MARTIN COUNTY COURTHOUSE, THE LYRIC THEATER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WHAT WE DID WAS AN UPDATE OF THAT ORIGINAL SURVEY SURVEY WAS DONE IN 1991. THE RULE OF THUMB IS 50 YEARS, SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PRE WORLD WAR TWO PERIOD. AND SO A LOT OF WHAT WE DID WAS THAT WORLD WAR TWO. POST WORLD WAR TWO UP UNTIL THE EARLY 19 SEVENTIES, A MATTER OF FACT, THE LAST BUILDING THAT WE DOCUMENTED WAS THE CITY HALL, WHICH WAS BUILT IN 1974 BY A FAIRLY PROMINENT ARCHITECTS, SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE BENCHMARK SO WE PRODUCED THE SURGERY REPORT. AH IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF STATE, WHICH GAVE US THE GRANT MONEY TO DO IT. UM THE REPORT IS ONLY ONE PART OF THE WORK PRODUCT THAT WE DID. WE DID, UM ABOUT 204 DOMESTIC SITES SITE FOLLOWING FORMS FOR DOWNTOWN STUART AND I GUESS WE WOULD CALL IT BEEN OUT OF THE TRIANGLE AREA OVER THE U.
S. ONE. UM THAT WAS KIND OF THE CORE OF DOWNTOWN. SO WE DID. HARD COPY FORMS OF THOSE, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE DID DIGITAL COPIES OF EVERYTHING. SO NOW WE HAVE A DIGITAL FORM. AH, ON WHAT WE DID. UH AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE ALSO GOT DIGITAL COPIES OF THE ORIGINAL FORMS. AND UM, WE ALSO DID A LOT OF RESEARCH. ON INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS IN THE AREA AS A WHOLE , WHICH IS THE DIGITIZED AS WELL . I THINK DR JACKIE MAY HAS MENTIONED THERE'S A THERE'S AN INITIATIVE TO TRY AND GET ALL THAT INFORMATION INTO A PUBLIC DATABASE SO THAT AH, IN THE FUTURE, THESE FORMS CAN BE REFERENCED BY LOGICAL, MOST LOGICAL IS ADDRESS. HISTORIC NAME. IF IT HAS IT. LEGAL DESCRIPTION. FLORIDA MASTER SITE FILE NUMBER, WHICH WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WENT LOOKING FOR SOMETHING BY THE FLORIDA AT SOME SCI FILE AND I IN THE PROPERTY THAT PROPERTY APPRAISERS. THERE'S FIVE DIFFERENT WAYS TO ACCESS THIS INFORMATION SO UM LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T THINK OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION THIS WAY, BUT IT'S A PLANNING TOOL. IT'S THE WAY TO, UH, UNDERSTAND. AND MAKE FUTURE PLANS FOR YOUR DOWNTOWN AREA, PARTICULARLY IN TERMS OF WHAT YOUR HISTORIC BUILDING. STOCK IS. SO I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. SO WE WE'VE DONE THE WORK PRODUCT HAS BEEN THIS REPORT AND ALL THAT DATA. AND WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT
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NOW IS WORKING WITH MAIN STREET WE'VE APPLIED FOR AND GRANT IN AID. TO DO A NATIONAL REGISTER.DISTRICT FOR DOWNTOWN STUART. BASICALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE THE MAIN STREET. AREA UM, COUPLE OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE KIND OF THE COURTHOUSE. IT'S ALREADY LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER, AND IT'S A GOOD BIT AWAY. THE HIGH SCHOOL IS PUBLIC TOO FAR AWAY, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE THAT CORE DOWNTOWN. ALONG THE OH THE LYRIC THEATER, OF COURSE, THE OLD POST OFFICE ARCADE. WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND IT ALL THE WAY UP TO WHERE THE MAIN STREET OFFICES IS , WHICH IS THE OLD. IT WAS THE FEDERAL RECREATIONAL BUILDING VERY IMPORTANT BUILDING THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED. UH IN 1930 43 DURING WARLORD TOO. SO THAT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA. WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT THAT'S GOING TO BE FUNDED AND I'M NOT SURE I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BE THE COMING YEAR WHEN THAT'S FUN TO AND WE I CAN'T COMMIT TO ANYTHING. IT'S COMMITTEE ISSUED AS AN RFP. WE'RE GONNA PLAN TO MAKE A PROPOSAL TO DO THAT. BUT WE'VE HELPED WITH THAT INITIATIVE TO GET THE FUNDING TO DO THAT. NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION. UM, WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN? UM IT'S REALLY GOOD FOR THE DOWNTOWN BRAND RECOGNITION. INTEGRATION ON A LOT OF HISTORIC SITES, HISTORIC SIGNAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, FINANCIAL INCENTIVES. FOR INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTIES. THERE'S FEDERAL TAX CREDITS. THERE'S AN ADVIL OR STATE AVELAR MIX AND SENATE PROGRAM. FOR NON PROFITS FOR THE CITY. THEIR GRANTS, AND FLORIDA HAS VERY GENEROUS GRANT PROGRAM. I WAS JUST HAD A MEETING WITH THE EAST STEWART COMMUNITY, UM, ABOUT THE PROJECT WE'RE DOING THERE. AND FOR THAT COMMUNITY, THERE'S A LOT OF GRANTS BUT A LOT OF GRANTS. THE LYRIC THEATER , THE COURTHOUSE, I KNOW ARE EXAMPLES OF BUILDINGS IN THIS COMMUNITY. THEY'VE GOTTEN STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS FOR BRICKS AND MORTAR TYPE PROJECTS OR FOR A LOT OF OTHER THINGS FOR PROMOTION OF DEATH. COMMUNITY EDUCATION IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE. SO ANYWAY, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. AND UM, I'M GOING TO DO ANOTHER PRESENTATION , I GUESS ON THE STEWART, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN SURVEY. THANK YOU HAVE ANY YEAH, ON THAT. SPEAKING OF MICROPHONE, FRANK ON THE ON THE PICTURE YOU SHOWED AND THE, UH DON'T WORRY. AND THE WEST SIDE. JUST JUST THE OVERALL MAP. THE OVERALL MAP. GO AHEAD. THAT'S YEAH, THAT WAS WHAT? YEAH, RIGHT THERE. SO I'M SORRY ON THE EAST SIDE. THAT RED LINE THAT KIND OF JUST GOES ZIGZAG, ZIGZAG ZIGZAG. MAIN STREET. OKAY THAT'S THAT'S THE BOUNDARY OF MAIN STREET. MHM. OKAY, LINE. WELL, NO. LET ME TAKE IT BACK. UM THE BLUE LINE IS I BELIEVE MAIN STREET. OKAY? AND THE RED LINE IS A TENTATIVE BOUNDARY FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT THAT WE ANTICIPATE MY QUESTION. SO IS IT'S RANDOM AS IT LOOKS, OR WAS THERE? IS THERE A REASONING BEHIND THAT ZIGZAG GOING ON THAT QUESTION? WHO WAS A CROOKED MAN? WHO DESIGNED THIS AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW I'D DONE IT. SO I'M THE CROOKED MAN. I'M SURE THERE'S A REASON IT LOOKS LIKE NASH. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO IT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, CITY LIMITS. THEY'RE DESIGNED, I GUESS AROUND THE PROPERTY. THE NATIONAL REGISTER. BOUNDARIES ARE DESIGNED AROUND THE EXTENT OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS. SO SO THAT'S WHERE THE NEW KIND OF MEATS OKAY, VERY GOOD. IT'S NOT . IT'S NOT INSTANT STONE, AND WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTION, BUT, UH WHAT YOU YOU MEAN? YOU CAN SEE IF YOU CAN LOOK AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A I DIDN'T HAVE TO. HERE. THIS IS A YOU KNOW, THE OLD WRECK BUILDING WERE, UM MAIN STREET HAS HIS OFFICES TODAY. AND OF COURSE, HERE, WE'VE GOT THE FEED STORE THOSE BUILDINGS. HERE WE ARE. THERE IS, I BELIEVE I BELIEVE AT CITY HALL RIGHT THERE. AND THEN, OF COURSE YOU GET INTO THE CORE OF MAIN STREET HERE. ALONG SEMINAL . IT WAS MAINLY RESIDENTIAL, BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EXCUSE ME. A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION A LOT OF DEMOLITION. SO IT STARTS TO KIND OF PETER OUT THERE. AND THEN ONCE YOU GET. UH THAT BEAUTIFUL ART MODERN FACTORS OFFICE, I THINK IS RIGHT HERE TO GIVE YOU AN ORIENTATION. UM AND AGAIN. THIS IS FLAGLER AND WE'VE
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GOT A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS HERE. BUT IT BECOMES MORE RESIDENTIAL. RESIDENTIAL AND A HEAVILY COMMERCIAL AREA. AND WHAT'S HAPPENED. THIS IS ONE OF THE FINDINGS OF THE SURVEY. THERE'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DEMOLITION. AND I WAS JUST DRIVING DOWN THERE. I WENT TO THE LIBRARY. AND UM, I WANT TO MAKE SURE YEAH. YOU GET DOWN IN HERE IN THIS CITY LIKE CITY PARKING LOTS OF TAKEN OUT. A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT WE IDENTIFIED IN THE 1991 SURVEY.AND THIS. THIS AREA OF THE TRIANGLE IN HERE. UM. YEAH HISTORIC COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, AND THERE HAVE BEEN VIRTUALLY WIPED OUT OR JUST EXTREMELY ALTERED. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THAT'S ONE OF THE REALITIES, GOOD NEWS AND BAD NEWS. BUT THERE'S BEEN A THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEMOLITION. AND A LOT OF JUST VACANT LOTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED SINCE WE DID THE WORK.
IN 1991. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS IT'S PRETTY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST OOPS. DO THAT. OKAY? HEY, THANK YOU, ANYWAY, UM. IT FOLLOWS THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS. OKAY. GOT YOUR QUESTIONS. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. UM WITH THE GOAL OF JOINING THE NATIONAL REGISTER, WILL THERE BE ANY, UM, UPDATE REQUIREMENTS OR THINGS THAT ARE PROHIBITED IN TERMS OF MATERIALS OR COLOR SELECTION. UM I KNOW THAT HAPPENS IN OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A NATIONAL REGISTER THING OR IF THAT'S A LOCALIZED, LOCALLY ORGANIZED DISTRICT. YOU KNOW, I'LL ELABORATE ON THAT.
IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM THE NATIONAL REGISTER THE ONLY ONLY TIME SOMEONE WOULD BE REGULATED WOULD BE IF THEY WERE USING FEDERAL OR STATE MONEY ON A HISTORIC BUILDING. IT COULD BE A GRANT. I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, THAT'S YOU KNOW. ARE THERE STRINGS ATTACHED? YES YOU HAVE TO DO IT, ACCORDING TO WHAT ARE KNOWN AS THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, WHICH THE GOAL IS TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER DEFINING HISTORIC FEATURES OF THE BUILDING. WHAT'S WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT ABOUT IT. UM I REALLY THINK THERE'S NO DOWNSIDE OF THIS IS GOING TO PROVIDE RECOGNITION A LOT OF INCENTIVES. BUT THE REGULATORY POWER IS WITH THE CITY. THAT'S WHERE IN THIS COUNTRY IT IS SO I'M NOT PROPOSED PROPOSING OR ADVOCATING THAT, BUT THAT IS AN OPTION. UM THAT THE CITY HAS IF AND FOR EXAMPLE, IN CITY, ST AUGUSTINE, I SIT ON THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. AND SO ANYTIME IN THAT COLONIAL CITY AREA. UM THERE'S A DEMOLITION OR THERE'S AN ADDITION OR SOMETHING THAT IT IS A SUBSTANTIVE ALTERATION THAT COMES BEFORE OUR BOARD. AND IT'S WORKED GREAT IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. BUT WE'RE VERY, VERY HISTORY. THAT'S WHAT OUR LIFE WOULD, BUT I THINK THAT'S I MEAN, IT IS, I THINK. A LOT OF THE SUCCESS IN REVITALIZATION OF DOWNTOWN STUART IS YOU HAVE A SENSE OF HISTORY HERE. YEAH SMALL TOWN COMMUNITY. I'M CAME BACK. AND I TOLD KANE THIS CALLAHAN I'M AMAZED THAT YOUR RETAIL IS SURVIVAL HERE. I MEAN, IT'S INCREDIBLE. I WORKED AND WATCH ULA AND THERE IS A MAIN STREET IN DELANO BEACH AND NOTHING EVEN CLOSE TO THE IMPACT THAT THAT'S HAD HERE. UM IN IN IN STUART, BUT THAT'S A LOCAL OPTION, BUT IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE AGAIN ONLY IF STATE OR FEDERAL FUNDS OR THERE'S SOME STATE OR FEDERAL INVOLVEMENT. ON A HISTORIC BUILDING. ONE MORE QUESTION. SORRY UM, IS FOR THE REGISTER IS THAT DOES THAT JUST APPLY TO THE BUILDING ONLY OR IS IT FOR THE PROPERTY? AH, UM. WELL DOWNTOWN'S TRICKY RIGHT BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE RIGHT AWAY LINES. A LOT OF TIMES ARE RIGHT UP TO THE BUILDING OF THE PARCEL LINES ARE, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS. NOT SURE YOU WERE YOU INCLUDE. YOU KNOW, IN THE IN DOING THIS, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE FOLLOW PROPERTY LINES. BUT UNLESS. UNLESS THERE'S A IMPORTANT LANDSCAPE FEATURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, GENERALLY, THE PROPERTY AND THAT'S KIND OF A LONG SHOT. YOU COULD HAVE A COUPLE OF THESE PROPERTIES HAVE HISTORIC AH, UM GARAGE APARTMENTS, OR THEY MIGHT HAVE FELTON HISTORIC FOUNTAIN. WELL, HOW ABOUT THE FOUNTAIN AND HENNY CIRCLE. THAT'S ONE OF THE YEAH, WE DID. THAT WAS ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS IS THERE WERE A LOT OF I GUESS THEY'RE CALLED OBJECTS. THE BAND STAND DOWN AT THE END MEMORIAL PARK MEMORIAL PARK ITSELF. AND HANEY CIRCLE,
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AND THEY MADE US I THINK THERE WERE THREE PARTS OF THAT THERE WAS THIS STREETSCAPE FEATURE THE FOUNTAIN AND THE STATUE WERE ALSO WE ALL DID SEPARATELY BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL SEPARATE THE STATUE. AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE HISTORY IT CAN BE REMOVED. ORIGINALLY ORIGINALLY, IT WAS IN THE 1939 NEW YORK WORLD'S FAIR. I THINK SO, ANYWAY. GOOD QUESTIONS.THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MARK. UM GENTLEMEN, I KNOW WHO'S VERY, VERY SMART ONE TIME SAID JUST BECAUSE OF BUILDINGS OLD DOESN'T MAKE IT HISTORIC, BUT. THAT WAS PROBABLY ME. YEAH BUT ALONG THOSE LINES, I AGREE WITH THAT TO SOME DEGREE, AND MY QUESTION HERE IS UM OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. YOU KNOW ? ARE THERE ARE THERE ACTUALLY PROPERTIES FROM 1955 ON 1952 ON THAT ARE ACTUALLY HAVE A HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OR ARE THEY JUST OLD ARE WE PRESERVING ? AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION IS BECAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN WE BROADEN THAT BASE TOO LARGE, WE START ALLOWING STUFF THAT REALLY DOES HAVE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE TO GET DEMOLISHED BECAUSE WE LOOK AND SAY OKAY, WELL, IT'S YOU KNOW, BUILT IN 1952 ARE BUILT IN AND THEN THINGS GO AWAY. SO THAT'S ONE OF MY FIRST QUESTIONS IS HOW MUCH OF THIS IS OLD, AND HOW MUCH OF IT IS HISTORIC HAS SOME SORT OF DESIGN AS SHOES OR SOMETHING. WELL IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, AND THERE AIR CITY ATTORNEY JIM LEWIS. MANY YEARS AGO WE HAD THIS DEBATE, AND HIS POINT WAS, IF EVERYTHING'S HISTORIC, NOTHING'S HISTORIC COMMENT THIS. WITH A VERY CRITICAL I SIT ON THAT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. AND A GOOD PORTION OF WHAT WE DO IS REVIEW DEMOLITION APPLICATIONS. AND EVERYTHING. THAT'S 50 YEARS OLD OR OLDER IS NOT. THERE WAS A LOT OF BAD STUFF WAS BUILT. SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IT IS. ANALYZE THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE CITY, AND IT REALLY FALLS INTO, I WOULD SAY THREE QUOTE THREE CATEGORIES. UM, AND THIS AREA, THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS THAT WE DIDN'T INCLUDE AND. THERE WERE SOME SOME INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS WE FELT HAD MIRROR IT. BUT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT HISTORICAL. UNDER THIS ERROR ANALYSIS THAT WE DID. WITHIN THAT AREA WHERE THE CROOKED RED LINE WAS OR TWO LEVELS OF HIS WELL, ACTUALLY, THERE ARE THREE LEVELS OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS. THERE ARE NON HISTORIC BUILDINGS , WHICH ARE LESS THAN 50 YEARS OLD. AND THERE ARE ALSO OTHER NON HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SO ALTERED. THEY'VE LOST THEIR HISTORIC CHARACTER. THERE. THEY'RE NOT HISTORIC. THEN.
TRYING TO THINK OF AN EXAMPLE THERE'S LIKE A FAIRLY AVERAGE BUILDING. THERE'S SOME BUNGALOWS , I GUESS ARE FRAMED FOR THAT COLOR BUILDINGS. ON SOUTH SEMINOLE. THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THE DISTRICT BECAUSE IN THEIR TOTALITY, THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT. INDIVIDUALLY. THEY'RE NOT. AND THEN IN THE REPORT. WE'VE IDENTIFIED AT LEAST 20 BUILDINGS THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER LANDMARKS. THAT ARE OF OUTSTANDING SIGNIFICANCE AND SOME OF THE ONES THAT YOU KNOW THE LYRIC THEATER. NO BRAINER. MARTIN COUNTY COURTHOUSE NO BRAINER. UM SO WE HAVE TRIED TO GIVE YOU AS A SPECIFIC INFORMATION AS INFORMATION AS WE CAN. ABOUT THOSE DIFFERENT LEVELS IN ORDER TO YOU MAKE A JUDGMENT. I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS DANGEROUS WANTED DID IN THE, YOU KNOW, SAVE THE COURTHOUSE, AND I THINK THAT WAS REALLY THAT WAS REALLY AN IMPORTANT THING TO DO. SO THOSE BUILDINGS, I THINK YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION. AND IF THERE'S YOU KNOW SOMEBODY WANTS TO DEMOLISH THEM. YOU PLEASE DON'T DO THAT, UM BUT THAT'S IT. THAT'S YOU KNOW, I AGREE, AND THAT'S PART OF MY JOB. YOU KNOW IF EVERYTHING 50, WE'RE JUST DOING EVERYTHING 50 YEARS OLDER. YOU DON'T NEED ME. I MEAN, I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED AND A LOT OF WHAT THE OTHER THING IS THE MID MID CENTURY MODERN UM, ARCHITECTURE TRYING TO THINK, OF COURSE. DIRECT BUILDING. THAT WAS NOT PART OF OUR, UM THE ORIGINAL SURVEY. WELL, TURNS OUT THE ARCHITECT WAS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT HISTORY OF MARTIN COUNTY CAME FROM MINNESOTA DESIGNED A BUNCH OF BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS. NATIONAL REGISTER PROPERTIES UP HERE AND THEN HE WAS THE SNOWBIRD. HE CAME DOWN HERE IN 1926 AND RESETTLED THIS LITTLE, UM, IT'S RIGHT OVER HERE. THE FINANCE CENTER WHERE YOU PAY YOUR WATER BILL. SAME
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GUY DESIGNED THAT AND I WENT BY A DOZEN TIMES AND I'M KIND OF I'M I'M SORT OF A OLD TIMER. AND . I CAN LIKE THAT YEAR THAT BUILDING WAS BUILT. ABOUT SIX MONTHS AFTER I WAS BORN, SO YOU KNOW, THE OLD TIMERS IS. I REMEMBER THE STUART DEPARTMENT STORE STEWART IN THE IT'S IN THERE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL RENDERING. SO YEAH, THIS IS IT'S HARD FOR ME SOMETIMES AND SOME OF OUR US OLDER GUYS TO ACCEPT, BUT SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE COMING OF AGE AND THEY'RE IMPORTANT. SO THAT'S ANOTHER. PART OF THE ASPECT OF THIS SURVEY IS TO UPDATE THAT AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID THAT I'M REALLY I THINK PROUD OF IS THE STEWART NEWS. IS AVAILABLE ONLINE GOING BACK TO 1913. AND I FORGET WHO IT WAS. WE'LL SEE YOU IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION. BUT I WAS ABLED. I THINK PRETTY MUCH TO DOCUMENT THE YEAR OF CONSTRUCTION. THE ORIGINAL OWNER, THE BUILDER AND SOMETIMES THE ARCHITECT OF ALMOST EVERY BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN SEWER.DIDN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION BEFORE. SO IN A LOT OF THOSE WERE YOU KNOW, FROM POST POST 1940. MOST OF DOWNTOWN STUART, OR ABOUT HALF OF THE INTENSE STEWART DEVELOPED FROM ABOUT 1937. UH, TO ABOUT 1954. AND THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED THE LAST TIME THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'VE GOT THE BASIS FOR A NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION, WHEREAS IN 1991 WE DIDN'T IT WAS STILL A RELATIVELY YOUNG COMMUNITY AND EXCUSE ME. THE. THE OTHER COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT THE WALTON BUILDING ISN'T IN THERE AND I NEED TO SEE THE WALTON BUILDING. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE AT LEAST CONSIDERED BECAUSE IT HAS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. BUT, UM THE. I WANTED TO ASK, UH, THE CHAIR. IF AT SOME POINT I KNOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS NOW BECAUSE OF THE YOU KNOW OF IDENTIFYING THESE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT. UM YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE WALTON BUILDING. I KNOW WHAT KIND OF BUILDING STANDARDS THEY WERE MAKING ME USE FOR A HISTORIC BUILDING. AND SOME OF THAT STUFF JUST ISN'T WORKABLE. UM THE OTHER THING IS THAT I THINK FROM TIME TO TIME. THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO WE'VE LOST BUILDINGS THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE LOST. NOW THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. BUT TO SOME DEGREE, WE COULD ENCOURAGE CONSTRUCTION THAT DUPLICATES THAT IN OTHER WORDS, IT COULD BE NEW BUILDING THAT LOOKS LIKE THE OLD BUILDING. AND YOU COULD GET SOME SORT OF DIFFERENT YOU TO KEEP THAT THOUGHT. OKAY WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATIONS AND EVERYTHING WE CAN SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT ONE OF THE JOB. YEAH THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY, THANKS. OF COURSE YOU HAVE ANYTHING QUESTIONS, NICK. THANK YOU. UH I'M GONNA JUST MAKE A COMMENT. I TOO, HAVE A MASTERS IN HISTORY. OKAY? YEAH. AND I'M GOING TO SAY WHAT I SAID ONCE TOMORROW BECAUSE SOMETHING IS OF DOESN'T MAKE IT HISTORIC. I WOULD HAVE A REAL HARD TIME. WITH SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS. IF WE. WORDS TO TRY TO MAKE IT SO THAT WE COULD NOT MAKE WAY FOR NEW STRUCTURES , BUT THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT WILL HAVE AND THAT'S THE EXACTLY WHAT ARE ORDINANCE SAYS RIGHT NOW. SO YEAH, THAT'S A THAT'S A DECISION TO BE MADE BY THE COMMUNITY. REALLY THIS I THINK THIS IS A THIS IS INCENTIVE BASED, SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS OR A NONPROFIT OR THE CITY THAT WANTS TO PURSUE GRANTS OR FOR INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTIES IF THEY WANT TO PRESERVE IT PERCEIVED THE TAX CREDITS. BUT THERE'S BUILDINGS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER EITHER INDIVIDUALLY OR CONTRIBUTING OR DEMOLISHED.
EVERY DAY. SO THAT'S REALITY. SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION. OKAY SO WE HAVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 95 2023 IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOVED? CAN I GET A 2ND 2ND? OKAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY MARK BRACKETTVILLE SECONDED BY BODY MOSER. AH! AH! SO WE NEED A ROLL CALL WITH IT. IS THERE ANY FUNDING INVOLVED? THE THERE'S NO FUNDING. YOU CAN DO IT ALL IN FAVOR, OKAY? SO ALL IN FAVOR, ALRIGHT, ANY OPPOSED? PASSES
[3. PRESENTATION UPDATE ON THE EAST STUART HISTORIC PROPERTIES SURVEY REPORT AND NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATION AS A NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES DISTRICT.]
UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY? UPDATE ON THE STUART HISTORICAL PROPERTIES. UM, AS PAUL HAS BEEN WORKING ON[00:30:04]
THIS SURVEY UPDATE. HE'S ALSO BEEN WORKING ON RECOGNIZING THE STEWART ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. BACK IN MAY 2022. HE SUBMITTED THE PRELIMINARY REPORT TO THE STATE AND THE STATE FAVORED THE REPORT AND GAVE A PRELIMINARY APPROVAL FOR THE DESIGNATION. AH SO THE NEXT STEP IS TO DO THE FORMAL NATIONAL REGISTERED NOMINATION PROCESS. WE DID GO BEFORE THE BOARD TO GET FUNDING ALLOCATED FOR THE PROJECT SO THAT WE COULD GO THROUGH THE NOMINATION PROCESS AND HIGHER CONSULTANT DID THE RFP PROCESS WE HIRED PAUL TO, UH, TO DO THE NOMINATION APPLICATION, AND HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE IN THE COMMUNITY DOING RESEARCH, UM AND ALSO DID A RECENTLY DID A WINDSHIELD SURVEY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO HE'S GOING TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THAT AND THE PROCESS FOR THE NOMINATION. SO IS THIS ALL CUED UP? YEAH. THERE WE GO. SO, UM. I DON'T WANT I ALREADY DID THIS. I DID THIS ONCE, SO I'LL TRY AND RUN THROUGH IT QUICKLY. POSSIBLE. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. SO THIS IS THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PIN AL INDICATED. BACK IN 20 22,000,020 22. WE DID WHAT WE CALL IT, WINDSHIELD SURVEY WROTE . THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOOK PICTURES , AND THEN WE FILLED OUT A BELIEVE SHE MENTIONED THE PRELIMINARY APPLICATION TO THE DIVISION OF HISTORIC RESOURCES DEPARTMENT OF STATE. AND GOT A WRITTEN OPINION FROM THEM SAYING THEY FELT, UM, HE STEWART QUALIFIED AS A POTENTIAL NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT. SO THIS IS THE AREA. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. MORE DR MARTIN LUTHER KING DRIVE. THE FCC LINE AND DIXIE HIGHWAY. A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY WORK FOR THE RAILROAD , AND THAT'S THE REASON THEY CAME HERE AND WORKED IN AGRICULTURE, PARTICULARLY CITRUSY IN THE PINEAPPLE INDUSTRY. SO THIS IS THE AREA THAT IN QUESTION AND I GUESS THE BOARD RECOMMENDED FUNDING. OF A FORMAL SURVEY, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID FOR DOWNTOWN. WE'RE GOING TO DO A SURVEY REPORT ABOUT 100 AND 66 SITE FILE FORMS. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY. DID AN ORAL HISTORY HISTORY INTERVIEW WITH MR PHIL HARVEY, WHO SAT ON THE BOARD THAT MET WITH BEFORE YOUR MEETING. TRYING TO GET THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED IS AS MUCH AS WE CAN. SO JUST FOR THE BOUNDARIES SAKE, YOU WENT BORN LUTHER KING. TO DIXIE TO 10TH STREET AND OVER ON BEACH ROAD IS THAT IS THAT WAS THAT YOU'RE BROUGHT DOWN BOUNDARY. I THINK IT'S TARPON. IT'S HARD TO STOP THE TOPIC, AND THAT'S A HISTORIC. IT WAS KNOWN AS LINCOLN PARK. UH AND LITTLE DIXIE HISTORICALLY. AND THAT'S THAT WAS PART OF THE AREA. WE DID. WHEN WE DID THAT 1991 REPORT. WE DID THIS AREA AS WELL. SO IT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED, AND I GUESS THERE'S A IS THERE A C R A BOUNDARY TO PHENOMENAL ER, RIGHT? YEAH. SO I THINK ONCE AND YOU'LL SEE AS WE GO THROUGH THE SLIDES, BUT WHAT IF WE DO THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATIONS THAT AGAIN IT'S GOING TO BE THE CROOKED LINE. BECAUSE YOU KNOW, ON MARTIN LUTHER KING. IN PARTICULAR. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEMOLITION THERE, SO A LOT OF LOT OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN LOST, AND IT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY MORE. THIS AREA WHERE YOU CAN YOU CAN SEE THE CONCENTRATION OF IT'S MAINLY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, BUT THE STUART TRAINING SCHOOL IS IN THERE. THEREFORE, CHURCHES THERE'S A THERE IS A, UM, A MASONIC LODGE AND THERE, SO THERE'S A LISTEN TWO MAJOR BUILDINGS THERE AND WELL BUT BUT YOU LOOK AT I MEAN RETENTION POND. THIS THIS WAS LIKE THE WILLIE GEARY. DEVELOPMENT OVER HERE AND LOTS OF VACANT LOTS AND YOU WERE BUILDINGS IN THERE SO THAT THE COMMERCIAL AREA I THINK IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE INCLUDED. SOME OF THE, UH AND THIS IS THESE ARE DOCUMENTS WE USED FOR THE DOWNTOWN STUART. UM AS WELL. AH SANBORN FIRE INSURANCE MAPS, WHICH WERE DONE ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AND STEWART, WE HAVE THEM FROM 1913.TO 1941, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE SOURCES WE'RE USING FOR. DOCUMENTING THE BUILDINGS IN THE STEWART. STUART TRAINING SCHOOLS, THE MAIN BUILDING. IN THE COMMUNITY, AND WE'VE GOT SOME GREATEST SORT PHOTOGRAPHS AND THIS IS A THIS IS A BLOW UP OF THE. STUART TRAINING SCHOOL FROM ONE OF THE SAME BOARD MAPS BUILT IN 19 THIRTIES 37 VERY VERY NICE FOR US. SOME OF THE
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DOCUMENTATIONS AGAIN. YOU CAN SEE THIS BUILDING IS REALLY BEEN ALTERED QUITE A BIT. THAT'S JUST BEHIND THE STUDENT IS THE HISTORIC VIEW OF IT. AND THIS IS THE REALLY PRETTY MUCH YOU CAN SEE THIS ENTRANCE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING. UM IT WAS A MEDITERRANEAN STYLE BUILDING. I THINK. THE THING THAT KILLS IT. SO MUCH WAS KIND OF THE BRIGHT COLORS THAT THEY PAINTED IT TODAY. AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MR HARVEY ON AN ORAL HISTORY AND HE TOOK ME THROUGH THIS PROPERTY AND ALSO A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GAVE ME INFORMATION. AND THIS IS A LATER LATER ADDITION FROM THE 19 FIFTIES, IT GREW AND GREW OVER TIME. AND A COUPLE OF OTHER BUILDINGS. THERE WAS A ODD FELLOWS LODGE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. LET ME SEE FROM THE SAME BOARD MAP LOT OF DEMOLITION AGAIN. THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE THEMES OF BOTH OF THE SURVEYS HAS BEEN A LOT OF DEMOLITION AND STEWART OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS. AND THIS WAS THE MASONIC LODGE BUILT BY THE MASONS THEMSELVES IN THAT MASONIC LODGE. THAT'S DOWN, I GUESS. UH, THERE'S NO NO SOLA. THEY DID THEY BUILD IT THEMSELVES. YOU KNOW IT WAS. IT WAS A CIVIC SORT OF A CLUB PROJECT FOR THEM, AND THE SAME THING HAPPENED WITH THE BLACK MASONIC LODGE OVER ANNIE STUART. AND THIS IS TARPON STREET HAD MENTIONED. HOW FAR DOES IT EXTEND? IT'S GOING TO GO. I FEEL LIKE IT'S EAST. IT MIGHT BE SOUTH. BUT AND THAT DIRECTION. AND IT'S MOSTLY, UM A LOT OF. PRETTY SIMPLE WOOD FRAME VERNACULAR BUILDINGS. AND AGAIN , A LOT OF LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN LOST BECAUSE OF THIS. THE HOSTEL. HARSH ENVIRONMENT OF FLORIDA AND HERE'S A FEW OF THEM. AND THEN THE THOMAS ALLEN HOUSE IS REALLY KIND OF A LANDMARK THAT CITY IS RECOGNIZED. BUT THEN YOU GET OVER TO THE RIGHT. IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES, STEWART HOUSING CAME IN AND ELIMINATED IT, BUT NOW AS PART OF THE HISTORIC HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO A LOT OF THIS, UH, A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION THERE DATES FROM THE 19 SIXTIES. AND THEN AGAIN, LINCOLN PARK WAS WHAT THE HISTORICALLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NAMED AS. AND LITTLE LITTLE DIXIE WAS ANOTHER NAME, AND THE PARK IS STILL THERE. AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT, UM THE WHOLESALE DEMOLITION OF MUCH OF MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD. LOT OF VACANT LOTS AND A LOT OF NEW BUILDINGS. AND THEN THEREFORE HISTORIC CHURCHES AND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THE SCHOOL LIVES IN THESE CHURCHES.ARE MOST OF THE MAJOR BUILDINGS THAT REMAIN IN THE STEWART. AND I THOUGHT THIS IS THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. WITH THE DOWNTOWN SURVEY. STEWART NEWS. I HAVE ACCESS ONLINE FROM 1913. NOT A LOT KNOWN ABOUT THE STUART TRAINING SCHOOL, BUT. I DID A SUBJECTS OR STEWART TRAINING SCHOOL. I GOT 1239 HITS. THE WHOLE HISTORY IS THERE SO THEY WERE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THAT, AND I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. WITH A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS THERE. SO I THINK AGAIN WHERE WE'RE AT. WE'RE FINISHING UP THE SURVEY IN THE REPORT. AND WE WILL, UM HAVE A DRAFT NOMINATION . WE HOPE IN NOVEMBER FOR REVIEW BY STAFF. PRESENTED TO YOUR BOARD. SO ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? THANKS. I HAVE ONE. UM. ONE OF THE ISSUES FOR PURPOSE OF REDEVELOPMENT AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN EAST STEWART, IS THAT MANY OF THE LOTS IN THERE. YOU CAN'T GET CLEAR YOU CAN'T GET CLEAR TITLE. UM WHAT WOULD THIS DO IF WE PUT THAT ON THE REGISTRY? WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO EITHER COMPLICATE THAT OR TO IMPROVE IT? DO YOU KNOW IT WOULD DO NOTHING. NO. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT AND UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE TALKED TO MR HARVEY ABOUT HIS THAT VERY SUBJECT, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE'LL HAVE IN A REPORT. JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WHEN THESE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN LOST. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. I KNOW IN LINCOLN VILLE AND ARE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE . THEY HAVE SIMILAR THINGS, SO AND THAT'S BEEN ON THE NET. I
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PUT THAT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER IN 1987. AND IT HAS NO EFFECT. WELL, I JUST DON'T BONNIE'S KIND OF EARLIER RELATIVE TO LAND OR BUILDING. I THINK ANDY STEWART. THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENCE THAT LAND MAY CHANGE VERSUS THE BUILDING. SO IT'S A QUESTION OF WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY VERY CROOKED LINE AND YOU KNOW THEY CAN LAND IS GOING TO BE ELIMINATED. SO IT'S NOT EVEN MOST OF THAT, PARTICULARLY MARTIN LUTHER KING. EAST STREET , I THINK WAS WHERE THEY'RE ONE OF THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF VACANT LAND. AND THEY WOULD IF EVEN IF I WANTED TO, THEY WOULDN'T LET ME PUT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE WORTH THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS. 86 PARCELS I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. BREAKING NEWS STORY. IT'S SAD, BUT TRUE, IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THERE. THERE'S NO DISTRICT THERE. I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING TO YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE WANT TO PUT OH, WELL. GEORGE WASHINGTON SLEPT HERE, BUT THE BUILDING IS GONE. WELL TODAY I PUT UP A MARKER. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO INCLUDE IT IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER. YEAH, I WAS JUST, UH TO MARK'S POINT, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT MIKE FORETELLS BROUGHT UP BEFORE. UM YOU KNOW, IT PROBABLY BENEFIT THE CITY IF THERE WERE SOME SORT OF ACTION TO CLEAR TITLE TO SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES, AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT IF LEFT IDLE TO HAPPEN ON ITS OWN. IT MAY JUST NEVER HAPPENED, SO IT MAY BE HELPFUL IF IN YOUR DEALINGS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS WITHIN YOUR SCOPE OR OUTSIDE OF YOUR SCOPE, BUT IF IN YOUR DEALINGS THE RECOMMENDATION INCLUDED SOME YOU KNOW, DIRECTION POINTING TO LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS PROBLEM IS SHARED BY THESE AREAS, AND YOU KNOW THIS IS WHAT THESE PLACES HAVE DONE. YOU KNOW TO DO THAT? UM IF YOU HAPPEN TO COME ACROSS, AS I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO SPECIFICS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF FEEDBACK. THAT'S AN ISSUE. AND AS I SAID, IT'S NOT ONLY AN ISSUE HERE. IT'S AN ISSUE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. YOU'RE DEALING IN THOSE OTHER COMMUNITIES OR YOU'RE DOING THIS SURVEY AND THERE'S OTHER COMMUNITIES AND WHAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR US AS A BOARD AND AS A CITY TO SEE IS, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFY THOSE CITIES THAT HAVE HAD A SIMILAR PROBLEM AND HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SO WE CAN ACTUALLY WORKING ON THAT. UM YEAH, I'VE IDENTIFIED THE EAST TOUR BOUNDARY, OBVIOUSLY, THROUGH THE FORM BASED CODE. AND I WENT TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE TO IDENTIFY THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE THE LEAD. UM THE TITLE ISSUE THERE ABOUT 19 PROPERTIES THAT WE IDENTIFIED IN THE EASTERN NEIGHBORHOOD. MIKE MARTEL IS LOOKING AT THOSE PROPERTIES TO SEE WHEN THEY BECAME, UM, WHEN THE TITLE BECAME AN ISSUE IF THERE ARE MOST RECENT, LIKE IF SOMEBODY JUST PASSED AWAY, THEN OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TIME TO CLEAR THE TITLE. BUT IF IT'S BEEN LIKE 20 YEARS WHERE WE'VE HAD THE TITLE ISSUE THAN CITY OF GAINESVILLE HAS A PROGRAM THAT I LOOKED AT. SO UM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE DIRECTION I GET FROM HIM WILL CREATE A PROGRAM TO HELP THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS. SO IT IS IN PROGRESS. OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE HAD THAT ISSUE THERE MAY BE A YEAH, IT'S YOU KNOW, LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO PROMISE TOO MUCH. I'M AWARE OF IT, BUT I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE WHAT THE SOLUTION IS OTHER THAN HIRE AN ATTORNEY THAT KNOWS HOW TO CLEAR TITLE CAN YOU HAVE TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY? THAT CAN CLEAR TITLE WOULD YOU HAVE TO HAVE PERMISSION? GO AHEAD AND CLEAR THE TITLE. THE WHOLE NOTHER BALL OF WAX. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THEM TODAY? EXACTLY SO AGAIN, I'M GONNA SAY LET'S FINISH WITH HIM AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO OTHER THINGS AND I GOTTA GET BACK TO ST AUGUSTINE. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? JUST REAL QUICK. SO WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL? UH USE FOR THE STUART TRAINING SCHOOL? WHAT WAS IT BUILT FOR SCHOOL SCHOOL SCHOOL, AND IT WAS, UM IT WAS, YOU KNOW, READING, WRITING AND ARITHMETIC. I GOT YOU, BUT BUT, UM, IT HAD A VOCATIONAL ELEMENT. AND IT WAS MAINLY AND AGAIN. THIS IS FROM MR HARVEY. UM AGRICULTURE AND SOME TRAINING AND CARPENTRY. UM. AND ONE OF THE THINGS KIND OF ON THAT POINT IS 1937. THEY PLACED THIRD AT THE COUNTY FAIR IN FOR THE FOUR H CLUB. SO I MEAN, THEY WERE LEARNING STUFF AND WE'RE RECOGNIZING THE COMMUNITY. SO YEAH. YOU NEED EMOTIONAL ANYTHING. THIS IS JUST THE PRESENTATION, OK? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. STAFF[STAFF UPDATE]
UPDATE OF ANYTHING. NOTHING AT THIS TIME, ALRIGHT TO MARK'S POINT. WHEN YOU HAVE A FREE. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN JUST 20 MINUTES. WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT ALL WHAT OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES AND. MARK WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE IT. I'M NOT SO SURE WE HAVE THE WILL OF THE RIGHT TO CHANGE IT, BUT IT'S GOOD TO DISCUSS IT. ORDINANCE FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION[00:45:03]
SPECIFICALLY WHAT COUNCILS HISTORIC AND. YEAH. WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT HAPPENS IF VERSUS STORY? WHAT HAPPENS IF I SAY I OWN IN THE STORE PROPERTY? I WAIT MY 30 DAYS I'VE COME TO THE CITY AND I SAID YOU CAN HAVE IT. NOBODY WANTS IT. RIGHT NOW. WE KNOCK IT DOWN PERFECTLY OKAY WITH ME BECAUSE IT'S PROPERTY RIGHTS RIGHT? MARK WANTS TO DISCUSS THAT FURTHER AND IF EVERYBODY ELSE I WANT TO DISCUSS THE ORDINANCE WILL DISCUSS THE AUDIENCE. YEAH I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT REALLY IS JUST A MATTER OF, UM, LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION , AND I AGREE WITH TOM. I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD KEEP SOMETHING THAT'S JUST OLD. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO ENCOURAGE THINGS THAT HAVE OTHER USES TO STICK AROUND SO SOMETHING THE BOARD WANTS TO LOOK AT. OKAY, SO . WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A MEETING FOR AND YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO FILL IT DISCUSSION. I ANYBODY ELSE? SEE NONE. PROMOTION TO RETURN.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.