Jan 09, 2024 Community Redevelopment Board

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SHE'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN US. YES READY. YOU READY? OKAY. I'M GONNA CALL IT MOVED ME AND GET

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[1. ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER OATH]

EVERYBODY HAS TO DO IT. EVERYONE NOW. SO YOU WANT US ALL TO STAND ? EVERYBODY STANDING, I'LL ASK FOR YOU. GET YOU TO SIGN UP. EVERYBODY. HIS RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME. I STATE YOUR NAME. GILBERT QUALIFIED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION LAWS OF FLORIDA. I DIDN'T INSTITUTIONAL.

IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA. CITY, FLORIDA TO SERVE AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD. TURBINE DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY PERFORM. PERFORM THE DUTIES OF AN ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER ON WHICH I AM ABOUT TO ENTER, SO HELP ME GOD. NUMBER YOURSELF HEALTHY, GOD MAY BE SEATED. YOU NEED TO SIGN THIS AND GIVE IT BACK. SUIT SOMETHING. SOMEBODY STOLE IT. YEAH. OKAY WELL, IF YOU NEED A BIT GO AHEAD. YOU GO. YES, JUST FOR ME. YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. OKAY WE ARE NOW READY FOR THE

[2. ANNUAL BOARD REORGANIZATION - SELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH BOARD MEMBERS. SELECTION OF A VICE CHAIR. CAN I GET A MOTION? NICK IS OUR CURRENT VICE CHAIR. MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE BARNEY ADVICE CHAIR. FUNNY THING TAKING OKAY? MAKES SENSE AT LEAST A MONTH, SO . ELLIE POINTS, NICK, RIGHT? WELL ANYONE WHO'S ELIGIBLE. SO IF YOU WANT TO NOMINATE NICK, I THINK YOU SHOULD DOMINATE NICK. LIKE TO NOMINATE NICK. RIGHT TRUTH TRUTH FOR VICE CHAIR. SECONDED BY ANDY ALL FAVOR. OKAY SO WE ONCE AGAIN HAVE OUR SAME

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[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

[COMMENTS BY BOARD MEMBERS (Non-Agenda Items)]

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IN EVERY TREE THEY TAKE DOWN. THEY HAVE TO REPLACE THE EXACT CIRCUMFERENCE OF TREE SOMEWHERE.

NOW WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS. THEY TAKE THAT VOLUME OR NUMBER OF INCHES OR WHATEVER. YOU WANNA CALL IT A TREE, OKAY? AND THEY END UP PACKING THAT NUMBER. INTO ABOUT A THIRD OR LESS OF THE LAND NEEDED. THOSE TYPES OF TREES TO LIVE AND GROW IN A HEALTHY MANNER. AND FOUR OR FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. YOU'RE LEFT WITH A BIG BUNCH OF NOTHING, AND IT BENEFITS THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE WHAT? WHAT THEY USE IT, AS IS SOMETHING TO REALLY BLOCK THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE EARLY STAGES FROM THE STREET. AND LOOK AT US. LOOK AT US. LOOK AT ALL THIS GOOD STUFF WE'RE DOING.

OKAY? THE BEST EXAMPLE OF WHY IT'S A BAD IDEA. THAT I'VE SEEN. IS WHEN YOU GO IF YOU TAKE A LEFT AND GO INTO ALL THESE AND THEN YOU TAKE A RIGHT AND HEAD TO WALMART. WHATEVER THOSE APARTMENTS ARE RIGHT. THERE IS A PRIME EXAMPLE. THEY TOOK COCOA AMOUNT OF TREES AND HALF OF THEM ARE GONE ALREADY. AND THEY PLANTED THEM ALL REAL CLOSE TOGETHER SO THE TREES END UP FIGHTING EACH OTHER FOR SUNLIGHT AND FOOD AND WATER. AND EVEN WORSE, THERE IS THEY PUT EVERY TYPE OF TREE POSSIBLE. RIGHT NEXT TO THE SWELL. AND HALF OF THOSE DIED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LIVE IN WATER, SO I THINK IT'S AN ABUSE OF THE LAND STATE CALLED. I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE WHERE IS WHERE IS THE PROCESS STARTS? START CHANGING. STUFF LIKE THAT. WHERE DOES IT START? CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? PERHAPS WE NEED LIKE WE HAVE NANCY HERE BECAUSE MARC WANTED TO HAVE A LITTLE LESSON ON ON ON PUBLIC ART. I THINK YOU KNOW WE COULD HAVE CANAL AND LEE GET TOGETHER AND THEN GIVE US A LITTLE CLASS ON WHAT A BOARD MEMBER OKAY, CAN AND CANNOT DO.

AND WHAT THEY CAN CHANGE, NOT CHANGE AND HOW THEY COULD CHANGE OR HOW COULD THEY COULD WORK ADVISORY BOARD SO WE CAN ONLY RECOMMEND CHANGES, ALL RIGHT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD SERVICE WELL, SINCE WE HAVE SOME NEW BOARD MEMBERS. EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT REALLY A NEW BOARD MEMBER, AND MARK, IS IT ANY LONGER? BARNEY? ISN'T IT'S STILL ONLY A YEAR. SO PERHAPS WE COULD HAVE AND THE INTERNAL SAID SOMETHING UP THE NEXT MEETING OR TO GIVE US A PRIMER ON WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE AND WHAT IT ALL MEANS. YOU DO AN EXCELLENT JOB ON ON THAT ONE PIECE ABOUT SUNSHINE AND FORD'S, BUT I THINK WE NEED SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE ENCOMPASSING ABOUT RESPONSIBILITIES. ALSO ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW? YEAH I'M WITH YOU, FRANK. BECAUSE LAST NIGHT I HEARD PEOPLE SAY, WELL, WE JUST DON'T WE DON'T CARE. WE JUST WANTED NOT TO BE APPROVED AND THAT YOU CAN'T DO EITHER HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITIES. AND I THINK IF I COULD JUST SHARE SOME REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE WITH WHAT FRANK'S TALKING ABOUT SO IN IN ST LUCIE COUNTY, UM ALVARADO BEER COMPANY BOUGHT A 50,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE THAT HAD BEEN BUILT IN 2007, AND WE BOUGHT IT IN 22,016. SO WE INHERITED THIS SITE AND YOU KNOW THEY THEY PUT A BUNCH OF CABBAGE PALMS UP AGAINST THE BUILDING AND, YOU KNOW, CREATED PROBLEMS AND WE CUT THEM DOWN ON ANNOUNCED TO US THAT THEY WERE PART OF OUR LANDSCAPING AND OUR TREATMENT EDUCATION. WELL, WHEN I WENT BACK AND RESEARCHED IT THE TREATMENT. GATIEN REQUIREMENT WAS THAT WE AH, PLANT 250 OR SO. YOU KNOW? BREAST HIKE INCHES. OF TREE TO MITIGATE FOR THE 100 OR SO

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YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT DO WE DO, BUT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS GOING TO GOVERN AND SAY YOU GOT A PLAN TO MORE OAK TREES HERE AND YOU KNOW SO THAT THAT PRODUCT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU PUT THE 900 INCHES IN IT, DID YOU? DID YOU DO THAT? DID YOU PACK IT ALL INTO A SMALL WE DIDN'T. WE DIDN'T BUILD IT. WE JUST BOUGHT IT. BUT THE WAY THAT THE WAY THESE LANDSCAPE CODES READ IS IT'S VERY MUCH LIKE A SNAPSHOT OF TIME. AND IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT THESE 2.5 INCH TREES THAT YOU'RE PLANTING OR GROWING AT A MUCH HIGHER RATE OR A MUCH FASTER RATE THAN THE TREES THAT YOU'RE REMOVING. MR CHAIR. I'M SORRY. I WAS JUST I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THAT, UM, ON JUST ASKING IF WHEN WE DISCUSS WHAT FRANK'S TALKING ABOUT. CAN WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE PENALTIES FOR NOT DOING IT BECAUSE WE EXPERIENCED THAT HERE IN THE IN IN OUR CITY WHERE THE DEVELOPER JUST TORE DOWN THE TREES, AND THEN THERE WASN'T ENOUGH SPACE FOR THEM TO PUT THEM BACK, BASICALLY, AND WE HAD NO LEVERAGE THAT WE HAD NOTHING. AND I MEAN YOU SHOULD SUFFER SOMETHING WHEN THE CITY SAYS THIS IS CODE, YOU'RE GONNA FILE IT AND YOU JUST STRIPPED OF HER, BUT ANYWAY THANKS FOR THE TIME. LET'S MOVE ON. OKAY SO IF WE CAN IF THE ATTORNEY AND FIDEL BELIEVES THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION. NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CITYWIDE CODE. BUT WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE CODE. WE'RE TRYING TO I THINK THE CONTEXT IN WHICH FRANK'S TRYING TO DO THIS OR WANTS TO SEE THIS IS WHEN PROJECTS ARE PRESENTED TO US. WHAT IS THE LEVEL OF CRITIQUE THAT WE ARE AFFORDED? AND YOU KNOW, LIKE LAST NIGHT. YOU KNOW, AS PEOPLE PILE ON AND SAY, HEY, FOUR STORIES IS OUT OF CONTEXT AND RIDICULOUS AND CRAZY . AND YOU KNOW, FRANK, YOU'RE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THIS COIN IS ME, BUT I APPRECIATE THE THEY CANDID DIALOGUE. I MEAN, IF

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HERE. WE HAVE A ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CALL IF THEY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S KNOWLEDGEABLE AND OKAY AGAIN. I JUST WANNA GIVE PERSONNEL AND LEE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE CITY MANAGER AND SEE WHAT IS POSSIBLE. TO DO FOR US. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO ADD? SOMETHING JUST, UH BRIEFLY AGAIN LEAVE BAGHDAD CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE RECORD. UM CURRENTLY WITH CRB DOES HAVE BYLAWS. I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE LOOKED AT HIM. UM WE'VE WE'VE KIND OF DISCUSSED THEM LATELY. MYSELF CITY CLERK IN THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT POSTED ON THE WEBSITE, SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY OF THE ADVISORY BOARD IS NOT JUST YOUR BOARD, BUT ALL OF THEM. BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE CAN WE FIND HIM? WHERE WE CAN BE EASILY LOCATED.

WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO BE ABLE TO POST HIM ON WEBSITE, BUT WE'RE ALSO THINKING OF INCORPORATING THEM IN THE CODE. SO THEY DON'T WHICH IS ALREADY ONLINE IN CONFINED ONLINE BY CERTAIN SEARCHING, BUT YOU CAN'T SEARCH AND FIND SET UP, KURT. THE BYLAWS DO SPILL OUT THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. WHICH I HAVE A COPY HERE. I CAN GIVE TO YOU AFTER THE MEETING.

NEVER SEEN HIM SOME SOME. SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER TO GIVE US A VERBAL PRESENTATION, AND I PLAN ON IT. BUT IN THE MEANTIME BEFORE THAT, IF YOU NEEDED TO I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM SECTION 8.00 0.4. OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR STUDENT. STUART DOES ALSO SPELL OUT THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE BOARD HERE. JUST SO YOU KNOW. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE CAN. EVERYONE HAS. WHAT? WHAT? WE WANT THE TWO THINGS. DO YOU SPEAK TO MIKE? WE COULD YOU CAN LET US KNOW AND SCHEDULE SOMETHING. ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO THE MUSIC. THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT. I EVER THE COMMENT. I HAD AS I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T GET TO GET THROUGH THE AGENDA IS WHAT MUCH AS I'D LIKE, AND ALL THE PACKETS, BUT, UM LEE MENTIONED THOSE THE BYLAWS AND IN LOOKING THROUGH SOME OF THAT, AS AS IT WAS SENT OUT. IT APPEARS THAT WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY FUNCTIONING IN SOME DEGREE WITH THOSE BYLAWS AND SO IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO JUST LOOK THROUGH THOSE AND SEE IF WE NEED TO CHANGE SOMETHING HERE OR YOU KNOW IF THE BY LAWS HAVE CHANGED OR NEED TO CHANGE, EITHER WE CHANGE OUR OWN BYLAWS. NO I WANTED TO GO THROUGH. I HAVE TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD RECOMMEND CHANGES, BUT ULTIMATELY, THE CITY COMMISSION WILL DO THAT, IN FACT, JUST TO POINT OUT IN THE MEETINGS THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S CLERKING MYSELF HAD. WE'VE HAD THREE OR FOUR MEETINGS ON BYLAWS FOR THE ADVISORY BOARDS, AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING AND IN ORGANIZING A BETTER LIKE WE WERE SAYING YOU CAN'T FIND ANYTHING. SO WE'RE TRYING TO CENTRALIZE EVERYTHING. PROBABLY MAYBE EVEN IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES SO THAT EVERYTHING IS IN ONE SPOT FOR ALL THE ADVISORY BOARD'S BYLAWS. UM AND IN THE CODES, IT'LL BE EASILY FIND IT. UM AND CONSISTENCY. SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT NOW WE MIGHT BE AMENDING THE BYLAWS HERE THIS YEAR PROCESS SO MARY COULD JUST FOR MARKET ALL CAN WE GET A COP? COULD YOU JUST SAID THIS? A COPY OF THE BYLAWS? MARY KENDALL FOR THE RECORD CITY CLERK? UM LIKE LEE MENTIONED WE'RE GOING THROUGH THEM ALL FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. THEY CAN GO BEFORE THE BOARD FOR YOU TO REVIEW AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

BUT LIKE HE SAID, THE CITY COMMISSION ULTIMATELY I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WOULD COME BEFORE US AND THEN YES. OFFICER OF THE COMMISSION. AFTER CAME WE'RE JUST WORKING ON THIS KIND OF IMPLEMENTING IT MORE INTO THE CODE SIDE OF IT AND REDUCING KIND OF ALL OF THE DETAIL IN THE BYLAWS AND MAKING THEM A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC AND CONSISTENT WITH EACH OF THE OTHER BOARDS.

SO WE CAN DO THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT. SEE NOTHING ELSE. AH! NANCY, YOU ARE

[4. PRESENTATION BY NANCY TURRELL, ARTS COUNCIL OF MARTIN COUNTY, REGARDING PUBLIC ART IN PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT]

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WHICH IS HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT HAS BEEN THAT LONG. SO WITH NO FURTHER ADO AND I JUST AS WAY OF BACKGROUND, UM WE WERE ADVOCATES FOR WHEN THE COUNTY ESTABLISHED THEIR PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE, WHICH IS STILL IN PLACE. ALSO THE COUNTY'S PROGRAM IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THIS PROGRAM. THE COUNTY'S PROGRAM IS BASED ON COUNTY EXPENDITURES AND PUTTING PUBLIC ART ON COUNTY PROPERTIES, WHEREAS THIS IS IN THE SIERRA WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPERS. UNLESS THEY CHOOSE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE FUND. SO THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES IN THE TWO PROGRAMS WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY. THE FIRST TWO SLIDES. I HAVE. UM, REALLY ARE A LITTLE PHILOSOPHICAL, PHILOSOPHICAL ABOUT WHAT PUBLIC ART IS AND WHY COMMUNITIES SUCH AS THE CITY OF STEWART, WHICH CHOOSE TO CREATE A PUBLIC ART PROGRAM IN THE COMMUNITY AND ASK THAT DEVELOPERS PARTICIPATE. THERE'S A VARIETY OF MOTIVATIONS TO DO PUBLIC ART AND A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS LOT OF IT IS, UM BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO FOSTER THAT COMMUNITY PRIDE AND MAKE PEOPLE WHO VISIT OUR COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND SOME THINGS ABOUT WHO WE THINK WE ARE AS KIND OF A PEOPLE AND I FLIPPED MY SECOND SIDE BECAUSE AGAIN, THESE ARE KIND OF PHILOSOPHICAL. I'M NOT READING FROM THEM, BUT PUBLIC ART TO ME IS A VERY VISIBLE SYMBOL TO OUR VISITORS AND OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO US AND I THINK WE PROBABLY WOULD ALL QUICKLY RAISE OUR HANDS AND SAY IF YOU LOOK AT THE PUBLIC ART IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO US? OUR ENVIRONMENT. AND OUR SEA LIFE AND CREATURES. BUT. THERE ARE PROGRAMS AND I HAVE A COUPLE EXAMPLES LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ART PROGRAMS RANGE FROM THE VERY TANGIBLE THINGS LIKE SCULPTURES OUT TO THE MORE THEORETICAL AND SUPPORTING PROGRAMS LIKE WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE CITY OF STEWART LIKE ROCKING RIVERWALK AND THE OTHER ARTS EVENTS LIKE OUR EVENT ARTS FEST COMING UP, THEY DO SUPPORT PROGRAMS IN SOME CASES. I THINK SOMETIMES IT'S EASIER TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS UNSUCCESSFUL. EVEN THEN, WHAT IS SUCCESSFUL AND TO ME THE TWO BIG THINGS THAT CAN GO WRONG WITH A PUBLIC ART. EFFORT. ONE IS. JUST THAT SORT OF GENERAL LACK OF SPECIFICITY. UM. THINGS ARE TOO BROAD. THEY DON'T SPEAK. THEY DON'T TELL A STORY. THEY DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO THAT STORY. WE'RE TRYING TO TELL ABOUT OURSELVES AND THEN THE SECOND, WHICH IS VERY FINDABLE IS SCALE. AND I'VE LISTED A GREAT EXAMPLE HERE OF WHAT I THINK. UM IN TERMS OF CURRENT EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF STEWART, YOU'VE GOT THE FENCE IN FRONT OF THE DONE BUILDING ON OSCEOLA STREET.

THAT'S VERY PEDESTRIANS SCALE THAT WORKS WELL, BECAUSE IT REALLY IS FOR THE CARS WHO ARE SLOW ENOUGH TO DRIVE INTO THE PARKING LOT OR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WALKING ON OSCEOLA STREET.

IT'S RELATABLE ON A PEDESTRIAN LEVEL, WHEREAS THE SCALE OF THE FENCING AND THE, UM PUBLIC ART THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE HAMPTON INN ON EAST US ONE JUST NORTH OF THE BRIDGE, YOU BARELY EVEN NOTICE IT WHEN YOU'RE ZIPPING ON BY BECAUSE IT'S NOT AT DRIVE BY SCALE, SO THAT'S JUST A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THINGS TO LOOK AT. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM WHEN WE REVIEW THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAMS, I'M GOING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF A SURVEY. HAVE SOME EXISTING PUBLIC ART. THIS

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WE'VE GOT UM AGAIN. FROM A PRACTICAL POINT OF VIEW, PART OF WHAT PUTTING ART IN A TRAFFIC CIRCLE DOES IS SLOW THE TRAFFIC DOWN BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING VISUAL THERE TO LOOK AT. SO THERE IS ACTUALLY A PURPOSE BEYOND MAKING, YOU KNOW A PHOTO OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE IN FRONT OF THE SAILFISH. UM YEARS AGO, 20 YEARS AGO. HARD TO BELIEVE, UM, WE DID SOME TEMPORARY PUBLIC ART PROJECTS IN THE CITY OF STEWART WAS AN INDEPENDENT. PRIVATELY SPONSORED TEMPORARY PUBLIC ART. TRAIL THAT YOU WENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE CITY. IT GOT PEOPLE MOVING THROUGH THE CITY. IT WAS A LOT OF FUN. BY THE WAY. STUART JOHNSON IS A JUPITER ISLAND RESIDENT PART OF THE JOHNSON AND JOHNSON FAMILY. UM WE'VE DONE COMMUNITY DRIVEN PUBLIC ART PROGRAMS ARE STILL SOME TURTLES ON PARADE AROUND. THAT WAS A LOT OF FUN. UM, CHICAGO DID COWS SARATOGA SPRINGS, NEW YORK, TWO HORSES YOU'VE SEEN AND AGAIN GREAT FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. YEARS AGO WHEN KIM DELANEY WAS IN THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT, PART DEPARTMENT. WE WORKED ON SOME TRANSPORTATION RELATED GRANTS, AND WE'RE ABLE TO DO SEVERAL MURALS SORT OF THE BEGINNING OF STEWART'S MURAL PROGRAM TO REMAIN UM, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, THE OTHER TWO DON'T BUT THIS ONE HERE ON THE 555 BUILDING AND THEN THE ONE OUT HERE ON FLAGLER THAT MAUREEN FULL GEN. Z DID. UM. THIS IS YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCE AND STANDARDS FOR WORK OF ART IN THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM AND FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME IF I'M BUT I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP GOING, BUT HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY. UM WHEN I WAS REALLY LOOKING AT THESE SEEMS TO ME THAT ABOUT HALF OF THEM ARE PRETTY CUT AND DRY. YOU KNOW WHETHER IT MEETS THE STANDARD OR IT DOESN'T MEET THE STANDARDS. THE OTHER HALF OF THEM ARE EXTREMELY SUBJECTIVE AND SUBJECT TO YOUR PERSONAL OPINION EXPERIENCE AND ON INTERPRETATION OF THINGS. UM AND WE'RE GOING TO. I'M GOING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SUBJECTIVE STANDARDS AS WE GO AND SHOW SOME EXAMPLES OF GOOD PUBLIC ART, BUT WE CAN COME BACK AND REVISIT THESE AS PENNEL SAID. UM I THINK THAT THIS PARTICULAR STANDARD IS ONE OF THE MORE DIFFICULT ONES BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT IS DEFINITIVE. IN NATURE. THEY THINK THAT IN PRACTICE WHAT CULTURAL DIVERSITY HAS LOOKED LIKE IS LESS ABOUT, UM WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY IS PEOPLE OR RACE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AND IT BROUGHT THE REALLY, REALLY BROADEST DEFINITION OF CULTURE, WHICH BEGINS TO ADDRESS WHAT I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IS WHAT DOES WHAT DO WE AS A CITY OF STEWART AND THE RESIDENTS OF CITIES STEWART THINK ABOUT? AND CARE ABOUT AND WANT OTHERS TO KNOW WHAT WE CARE ABOUT. UM IT IS. HARD TO INTERPRET BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION. THE NEXT GUY TO HAVE THERE'S JUST NO GOOD WAY AROUND THAT. AND LIKE I ALREADY SAID, ENVIRONMENT HAS BEEN OUR NUMBER ONE SUBJECT MATTER IN PUBLIC ART, WITH VERY FEW SELECTIONS OF WORK THAT COME OFF OF THAT PARTICULAR. MARK. UM THIS IS. AND I REMEMBER GINGERLY APPROACHING THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO, UM IT REALLY IS PART OF THE DIFFERENCE OF HAVING A PUBLIC PUBLIC ART PROGRAM VERSUS A PRIVATELY DRIVEN PUBLIC ART PROGRAM. THE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE SELECTING THESE PIECES KNOW THAT THEY'RE REFLECTING SOMETHING ON THEIR PROPERTIES AND THEIR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, AND SO THEY WANT THEM TO BE NOT CONTROVERSIAL AT ALL, IF POSSIBLE, AND THEY WANT IT TO BE SOMETHING THEY FEEL LIKE THEIR CUSTOMERSISITORS AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE ACCESSING THEIR SITES. CAN AGREE ON AND AGAIN THE NUMBER ONE THING WE CAN ALL AGREE ON IS WE CARE ABOUT OUR SEA LIFE AND OUR WATERWAYS AND OUR ENVIRONMENT. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT DRIVES THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A PUBLIC PROGRAM AND A BROADER SELECTION, AND THE ARTWORKS PLAY ARE PLACED

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SCALE IS, I THINK AGAIN AS I ALREADY SAID, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PLACES WHERE YOU CAN GO WRONG IN PUBLIC ART. THESE ARE TWO EXAMPLES OF AUTOMOTIVE SCALE, THE ONE ON THE LEFT THERE, ACTUALLY. KAYAKS BUILT INTO A SCULPTURE AND BEND, OREGON AGAIN SPEAKS TO WHAT BEN BELIEVES THEY ARE AS A COMMUNITY AND ENCOURAGING OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AND EXPLORING NATURE. THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS A PIECE THAT WAS ACTUALLY DONE BY A NOW DECEASED BUT MARTIN COUNTY ARTIST IN FRONT OF A PROJECT IN PALM BEACH GARDENS. UM AGAIN. YOU CAN SEE THESE FROM THE ROAD. YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GETTING. THIS IS KIND OF A COMBINATION OF AUTOMOTIVE SCALE AND WALKING SCALE BECAUSE IT IS A FOOTBRIDGE AS WELL AS IN DRIVE BY BRIDGE. UM SOME OF THE MORE FUN PUBLIC ART PROJECTS, IN MY OPINION, ARE NOT THE BIG SCULPTURAL ELEMENTS BUT THE THINGS THAT YOU KIND OF STUMBLE ACROSS AND FIND ALONG THE WAY THIS PROJECT I LOVE. UM SO THE RED LINE ON LOLLING IS WHERE THIS PATH GOES, AND THEN ALL THE CLEAR BRICKS ARE THE PATH THROUGHOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR COMMUNITY AND VERY SUBTLE, BUT REALLY REALLY KIND OF COOL. UM AGAIN. WALKING SCALE IS A GREAT UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN LIKE THE CITY OF STEWART AND YOU ALL YOUR PROJECTS OR SIERRA PROJECTS. UM THIS ONE COMMUNITY DID STEPS TO DANCES, SO THEY ENCOURAGED PEOPLE TO DANCE DOWN THE STREET. UM AND THEN THAT'S JUST A NICE TILE MOSAIC IN THE SIDEWALK.

THESE ARE VERY APPROPRIATE THINGS WERE ALREADY DOING LIKE THE MOSAIC PROGRAM IN THE IN THE CREEK DISTRICT. THESE ARE SOME GREAT EXAMPLES OF ROAD ART AND WAY FINDING AGAIN DEFINING COMMUNITIES DEFINING NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGH THE USE OF PUBLIC ART. THIS WOULD BE MORE LIKELY USED IF PRIVATE DEVELOPER MONEY INTO THE CITY'S TRUST FUND BECAUSE THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER ISN'T GOING TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT THIS REALLY IN THEIR PROPOSAL. UM. SOUND SCULPTURE, TOUCH SCALE THINGS TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO ENGAGE WITH THE ART. I LOVE THESE AND THEY CAN BE FROM FUNCTIONAL LIKE THE WATER FOUNTAINS OR THE BIG, HUGE. PIPE ORGAN. THE USE OF. TERRAZZO FLOORS AND THINGS LIKE RAILINGS. TYPICALLY AGAIN OR MORE FOR PUBLIC PUBLIC PUBLIC PUBLIC ART.

VERSUS PRIVATE DRIVEN PUBLIC ART , BUT SOMETHING LIKE A RAILING ON AN APARTMENT BUILDING. THE RAILINGS COULD BE DESIGNED TO BE PART OF THE BALCONY RAILINGS COULD BE DESIGNED TO BE PART OF A PUBLIC ART PRESENTATION. THEORETICALLY, UM. BUT I LOVE THE TERRAZA FLOOR. SO I HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT. AND I THINK THIS THIS SLIDE HERE IS A REMINDER THAT PUBLIC ART DOES NOT ALWAYS HAVE TO JUST BE ART. IT'S JUST. TO BE ENJOYED. IT CAN BE FUNCTIONAL TO THE BENCH IN THE BOTTOM CENTER IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE BENCHES. THAT'S UP IN RIAU THAT THE COUNTY HAS DONE, BUT THEY WERE INSPIRED BY LOCAL EDUCATIONAL SCHOOL PROGRAMS MADE THE DESIGNS AND THEN THE LOCAL ARTIST TURNED THE MINIMUMS. AIX ON THE BACK OF THE UM, BENCH. THE FENCE IN THE MIDDLE IS OUT OF THE HOUSE OF REFUGE. BUT FENCES BY CRACKS LIGHT POLES. ALL THESE THINGS CAN BE A COME

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THEY ALSO ADDRESS UM WHAT IS OR ISN'T ALLOWABLE IN TERMS OF THE TRADEMARKS AND LOGOS OF THE BUSINESS OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. UM. CITY OF TAMPA HAS I THINK GOOD POINTS TO MAKE HERE ABOUT UM THE SUBJECTIVITY AGAIN. I THINK THIS BULLET LIST HELPS TAKE SOME OF THE SUBJECTIVITY OUT OF IT AS WE'RE REVIEWING ARTWORK. UM ENHANCED MEANING OF PLACE. ENGAGING AND INVITING PEOPLE TO USE A SPACE BRIDGING SCALE. PROMOTING IDENTITY AND THE FUNCTION OF THE PEDESTRIAN.

YOU KNOW, THE THESE ARE EVEN MORE EASIER TO MEASURE THAN WHILE I LIKE IT, OR I DON'T LIKE IT. IT'S HARDER. IT'S NOT ART. UM BERKELEY, CALIFORNIA USES THEIR PUBLIC ART FUND. FOR GRANTS. AND TEMPE. ARIZONA ALSO HAS, UM THE OPTION WHEN DEVELOPERS CONTRIBUTE TO THE FUND. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT GRANT PROGRAM THAT SUPPORTS NOT JUST THE PURCHASE OF PUBLIC ART, BUT ALSO SUPPORTING LOCAL NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE DOING ARTISTIC THINGS AND I THINK OF SOMETHING LIKE ROCKING RIVERWALK AND SOME OF THE OTHER LONG TIME DOWNTOWN STUART ARTS EVENTS WHICH ARE DONE HERE TO DRAW PEOPLE IN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO SHOP AND DYING IN OUR LOCAL RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL STABLIZATION MINTS.

IT IS PART OF THE CULTURE AND IT DOES SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SO IN THE BROADEST SENSE, YOU KNOW THOSE EVENTS ARE PART OF THE PUBLIC ART LANDSCAPE. AND THAT IS OH, I HAVE. HAPPY TO TAKE

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IT WAS AMAZING STUFF, AND, BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT'S CONSTANTLY TURNING OVER. YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY GOING TO LAST SO LONG, BUT THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE A BLANK SLATE TO A YOUNG ARTIST AND SAY, THIS IS YOUR PROPERTY. FOR THE NEXT YEAR. MAKE IT HAPPEN, AND I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT NOW AS LONG AS WE ALLOW

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AND SO THERE MIGHT BE AN EASY AND YOU KNOW SOLUTION AND I THINK WHAT HAPPENS A LOT OF TIMES LIKE IF I'M CONSIDERING PUBLIC ART? I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE PROJECT THAT I'M BUILDING AND I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW HIS NANCY TOUCHED ON YOU KNOW? PUT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO PROMOTE THAT AND NOT NECESSARILY BE CONTROVERSIAL OR BE, YOU KNOW, ABSTRACT OR GUARD? YEAH.

BUT I ALSO DON'T KNOW. IT'S LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER. PUBLIC ART THAT'S BEEN DONE. SO WHEN I ROLL IN WITH MY SELFISH STATUTE, I THINK IT'S GREAT. THANKS. YOU KNOW, I MAY NOT REALIZE THAT THERE'S SEVEN SAILFISH STATUES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE AS PUBLIC ART ELSEWHERE. SO BUT AT LEAST YOU KNEW IT WASN'T A MARLIN RIGHT AT THE FLORIDA KEYS. SO YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF WE COULD START KEEPING KIND OF AN INDEX OR A FILE OF LIKE, HEY, HERE'S OTHER AND YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKLOG TO BUILD IT. BUT YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE, IT WOULD BE JUST SOMETHING EASY TO MAINTAIN. UM CAN I ASK YOU JUST AS A FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, IF WE HAD FLIPPED THAT, IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE IF WE HAD SAID OKAY IF YOU PUT ART ON YOUR PROPERTY, IT'S 1.5% IF YOU CONTRIBUTE TO THIS ARTS COMMUNITY. IT'S 1% DO YOU THINK THAT THAT WOULD SWITCH BEHAVIOR A LITTLE BIT? I THINK FOR ME, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BECAUSE I MEAN, LIKE I TOOK PRIDE IN THE PROJECT AND APPRECIATE IT. SO EVEN IF IT COSTS ME AN EXTRA COUPLE OF BUCKS LIKE I WOULD SEE THE BENEFIT OF IT IN THE END. UM BEING, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY UP THERE AT AVIDLY. WHERE LIKE IF I GIVE YOU GUYS A BUNCH OF MONEY. I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO GET PUT UP THERE LIKE IT'S GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE DOWN HERE. SO GONNA GO ON PUBLIC LAND BECAUSE THAT'S YEAH. I THINK IT ALL BECOMES A LITTLE BIT RELATIVE TO YOU KNOW THE SPECIFIC PROJECT BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW. AT WHAT PRICE I JUST WRITE THE CHECK VERSUS YOU KNOW, ADDED TO MY PROPERTY. UM AND I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IT HAS TO GO. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. IT COULD STILL BE ON YOUR PROPERTY, BUT IT COULD BE DONE THROUGH AN ARTIST INSTEAD OF THE ARTWORK ITSELF. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU COULD HIRE SOMEBODY TO DO IT BEFORE IT POPS OUT OF MY BRAIN PANEL. DID THERE WAS THERE EVER A PUBLIC ART PROJECT FOR THE 69 UNITS BUILT UP THERE AT HEAVENLY THAT TIM HERNANDEZ STUFF. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY PUBLIC ART PROPOSAL YET. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S A CONDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT ON ME. WELL THE PRESERVE HAZARD BECAUSE WE DID THOSE TOWN HOMES, BUT THE ONES ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE WEST SIDE OF GREEN RIVER PARKWAY. YOU KNOW, WOULD HAVE HAD TO DO WITH PUBLIC ART PROJECT AS WELL. THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO CEO OF THE BUILDING. DID CEO DIDN'T IT?

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COME ON ITS COMPLIANCE AS YOU TO LIKE THERE. THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF PROJECTS WHEN I WAS RESEARCHING FOR GREEK SIDE HOTEL . I FOUND OUT THAT FRUITS AND ROOTS POSITIVE HAVE THEIR PUBLIC ART, EITHER. SO THERE. I THINK THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, SOME MISSED OPPORTUNITIES IN THE CITY. WELL AND I KNOW LIKE AS A DEVELOPER. THE TIMING OF IT GETS A LITTLE BIT WONKY, RIGHT? LIKE YOU'RE GETTING YOU'RE GETTING APPROVED FOR ALL OF THIS STUFF, AND I DON'T I HESITATE TO SAY LIKE, HEY, LET'S HOLD UP THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PERMIT ON ON THIS, BUT YOU KNOW IT AND THEN YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST PASSING THE BUCK FURTHER AND FURTHER BECAUSE ARE YOU REALLY GONNA TELL A GUY LIKE OH, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR PUBLIC ART TIED, YOU KNOW, DONE SO WE'RE GOING TO HOLD YOUR CEO, BUT YES. NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT. I THINK YES, YOU CAN. YOU CAN MAKE IT. THAT HE HAS TO PROVIDE WHAT HIS PUBLIC ART I THINK IT MIGHT BE WITHIN 30 DAYS OF RECEIVING YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT PERMIT OR RECEIVING YOUR BUILDING PERMITS OR WHATEVER IT IS LIKE YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT A PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT. AND IF YOU'RE NOT, WE'RE GOING TO HOLD ALL INSPECTIONS OR SOMETHING. THAT THAT DOESN'T CATCH YOU IN THAT GAP, WHERE YOU'RE YOU KNOW? START PAYING YOUR MORTGAGE, BUT WE CAN'T LET YOU RIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT. RIGHT. SO I MEAN, I THINK IT JUST NEEDS THAT NEEDS SOME ATTENTION AND THEN YOU KNOW TO MARK'S POINT. IF THERE'S IF THERE'S A LIST OF, YOU KNOW, 10 PEOPLE THAT ARE LOCAL FOLKS LIKE THAT WOULD JUST MAKE LIFE A LOT EASIER, YOU KNOW FOR THIS 1% TO BE AFFECTED AND TO REALLY REMAIN LOCAL VERSUS YOU KNOW, DEVELOPER PICKING UP HIS PHONE BOOK OR, YOU KNOW, JUST HITTING THE ROLLER, DEX, YOU KNOW. AND I THINK LOCAL IS A LITTLE BIT OF A SUBJECTIVE TERM BECAUSE YOU WERE SMALL ENOUGH COMMUNITY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE EXPERTS IN EVERY PARTICULAR MEDIUM AND SO YOU KNOW, LOCALS KIND OF A REGIONAL AND I'M NOT SAYING LIKE IT RULES OUT THEM. LIKE SOMEONE FROM THE OUTSIDE, BUT I THINK IT JUST GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT MARX TALKING ABOUT, AND LIKE A HEY, LIKE WE'RE IN ARTS COMMUNITY. BUT WHEN I WHEN I'M A DEVELOPER, AND I COME IN, AND I SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHERE DO I GO FOR PUBLIC ART? IT'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW. THREE TALK TO NANCY. YOU KNOW IF THERE WAS LIKE AN ACTUAL YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL THE PAST PROJECTS. THIS IS A LITTLE YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT POWER POINT, RIGHT? THERE IS A GREAT STARTER TO LIKE. HEY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. SO THEN YOU HAVE THE WOMEN YOU HAVE. WOMEN IN THE ARTS. GOT ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT WELL, BUT I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION THAT YOU GOT WOMEN IN THE ARTS, WHICH WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM THAT WORKED UNDER THE ARTS COUNCIL. IN TERMS OF EVERY YEAR GETTING TOGETHER AND FUNDING THAT THEN DOING THAT, SO WE HAVE THE MECHANISM IN PLACE TO KIND OF DO SOME OF THESE THINGS I THINK, BUT ANYWAY, I'M SORRY. BARNEY GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. UM I DO THINK IT'S WORTH EXPLORING WHAT MARX TALKING ABOUT FLIPPING THAT INCENTIVE BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME AWESOME DEVELOPERS WHO DO REALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT GOES ON THEIR SITE, AND THEY WANT TO INVEST. BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT THIS IS JUST CHECKING THE BOX FOR THEM. YOU KNOW, IT'S THE LAST STEP TO GET APPROVAL AND I THINK WE'RE THAT GETS DANGEROUS AS WE END UP WITH A LOT OF OBJECTS. ORIENTED ART INSTEAD OF SPATIALLY IN PLACE ORIENTED ART. UM. AND THAT'S HOW YOU END UP WITH SELFISH POPPED ON THE SIDE OF THE SITE AND GREAT HONESTLY, WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET AWAY FROM THAT. I THINK IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MANY LISTS OF PEOPLE, I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT PREFERENCES FOR TYPES OF ART, BECAUSE I I'M I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON SCULPTURES FOR A WHILE. I THINK WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE MURALS IN THE GROUNDS ARE THE ABOVE THE HEAD ART THINGS THAT YOU'RE EXPERIENCING IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING. RIGHT NOW, SO FIGURING OUT HOW TO PROVIDE THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. UM AND THEN I. I GET THE IDEA OF THE DEFINING WHAT AN ARTIST IS, BUT I THINK THAT ALSO COULD BE DANGEROUS BECAUSE MAYBE THERE IS JUST SOME REALLY YOUNG, CREATIVE 18 YEAR OLD WHO'S GOT BRILLIANT IDEAS, AND I'M THINKING REALLY OUTSIDE OF THE BOX AND THEY LOSE THAT OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE AND I THINK PART OF IT TO HAVE THE STANDARD LANGUAGE AND YOU KNOW, AND I'VE OFTEN QUOTED THIS IN OUR REVIEW OF SOME OF THE PROJECTS AND I THINK SPECIFICALLY OF THE MURALS THAT WE DIDN T STEWART ON THE VETERANS BUILDING. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO CHECK EVERY SINGLE BOX ON EVERY SINGLE STANDARD IT NEEDS TO ADDRESS THE MAJORITY OF THEM AND YOU HAVE THAT SORT OF FLEXIBILITY TO SAY. THIS ARTIST DOESN'T HAVE THIS HUGE REPERTOIRE OF DOING MURALS OR LIKE WHEN WE APPROVED THE ITALIAN MURAL. I MEAN, HE WAS A COLLEGE KID. SO HOW LONG IS HIS RESUME GOING? TO BE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY YEAH, BUT HE'S PROVEN OUT THAT THIS IS GONNA WORK AND SO WE CAN DO IT. OKAY AND I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF IT. IS THAT

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NO CAN I JUST CLARIFY REGARDING THE PERCENTAGE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS TO CONTRIBUTE? IT'S ACTUALLY 1% EITHER DO 1% OF VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS OR THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE 1% SO IT IS ALREADY 1% EITHER. YEAH AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS OR LOOKING FOR ARTISTS AND THEY MIGHT JUST CONTRIBUTE, BUT SO FAR WE HAVEN'T HAD WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY CONTRIBUTION SO FAR. ANDY UH, WELL, I USED TO BE A DEVELOPER IN MY PREVIOUS LIFE. I CAN'T HELP THAT BUDDY MANAGED 200 REALTORS. QUITE QUITE A DIVERSE. UH TRANSITION, BUT, UM SO I COME FROM INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA. I BORN AND RAISED A HOOSIER AND MOVED DOWN HERE ABOUT 10 MONTHS AGO. SO THIS IS KIND OF A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ME HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY UP THERE IS A DEVELOPER AND WE BUILD A REALLY STRONG PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP ALONGSIDE WITH THE ARTS COMMUNITY, AND IT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE. PARTICULARLY IN THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE DOWNTOWN INDIANAPOLIS. UM COMMUNITY AND SO IF I CAN SHARE ANY THOUGHTS OR IDEAS OVER TIME WITH YOU, I'D LOVE TO DO THAT. I MEAN, IT WAS A VERY UM, MODEL CITY. I WOULD SAY THAT URBAN CORE OF INDIANAPOLIS WAS MODELED AND ENVIED BY A LOT OF CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY, BUT I THINK THAT THE STRENGTH OF WHAT HAPPENED IN INDIANAPOLIS OVER A 30 YEAR PERIOD WAS REALLY BUILT AROUND A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. AND THEN THE ARTS COMMUNITY BECAME REALLY A FOUNDATION OF THAT, AND YOU HAD YOU HAD SOME CORPORATE LEADERS THAT REALLY TOOK THE LEAD ON DRIVING THAT AGENDA RATHER THAN THE GOVERNMENT, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY EFFECTIVE. SO YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES WITH THAT ABSOLUTELY LOVED TALKING MORE ABOUT THAT, AND IT IS WHY WE EXIST. ECONOMIC COUNCIL OF MARTIN COUNTY SAID. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE AN ARTS COMMUNITY THAT GROWS OVER TIME BEFORE TED WAS THERE BEFORE I WAS THERE.

NO, NO, THAT WAS BEFORE BOTH OF US WORK FOR EITHER ORGANIZATION. AH! UM, BUT THE FOLKS LIKE PETER CUMMINGS AND HURLING SPIRIT THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING MARINER STANDS AND WILLOUGHBY AND PAPERS LANDING AND HARBOR RIDGE AND ALL OF THOSE COMMUNITIES BACK THEN THEY KNEW THEY NEEDED TO SELL HOMES AND IF THEY NEEDED TO SEE IF THEY WANTED TO SELL HOMES, THEY NEEDED AN ARTS. ENVIRONMENT THAT WOULD ATTRACT PEOPLE TO BUY THOSE HOMES. AND SO WHAT? WE'RE AT THE NEXT PHASE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, SO I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU MORE ABOUT THAT. IT WOULDN'T FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT. HOW MUCH IN STUART? DO YOU HAVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, CORPSE, NONPROFIT, NEIGHBORHOOD BASED COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS ARE THEY'RE PARTNERING WITH THAT. IS THAT EXIST DOWN HERE, OKAY, BECAUSE THAT WAS ANOTHER WAY THAT WE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

CORPORATIONS WERE REALLY NONPROFITS THAT WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF CODE DEVELOPING A PROJECT WITH THE DEVELOPER AND IN SOME INSTANCES, AND THAT WAS YEAH, WHILE BECAUSE I WANT TO GET THROUGH THIS. NO WORRIES. NO, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, FRANK. I THOUGHT OF THE ARTSY FOLKS, UH, ON SATURDAY THIS PAST SATURDAY MORNING AS I LEFT BEFORE SUNRISE TO GET UP TO VERO BEACH. BY EIGHT O'CLOCK OR SO, AND I WAS ON DOUG SMITH HIGHWAY. NORTH OF JENSEN BEACH BOULEVARD AND SOUTH OF MIDWAY ABOUT HALFWAY LOOK TO THE EAST AND I GO. OH, MY GOD. SO I ACTUALLY PULLED OVER AND GOT LUCKY IS THE RIGHT PLACE RIGHT TIME AND I GOT A PICTURE OF UNBELIEVABLE STUFF. AND I AM REMINDED WHY I REALLY OKAY, CARE LESS ABOUT HUMAN ART. IT'S ALL SEEMS SO TRIVIAL WHEN YOU SEE STUFF LIKE THAT. OKAY THAT'S MY OPINION. OKAY LET'S LET'S GET RIGHT TO AGAIN. HERE WE GO AGAIN. WE PULL UP NUMBER EIGHT. THE ORIGINAL, UH, THE ORIGINAL PAGE HELP HAD THE GUIDELINES THERE'S LIKE AND GO STRAIGHT TO NUMBER EIGHT AGAIN. ON THE ORIGINAL PAGE. AND SEE HER.

NUMBER EIGHT IS STILL NUMBER EIGHT. YEP CULTURAL DIVERSITY OR SOMETHING. OKAY, SO SINCE I'VE BEEN HONEST BOARD AND IT'S BEEN TWO OR THREE, BUT NOBODY CHECKS THAT BOX. AND THEY FLAT. I'LL TELL. YOU KNOW WE COULDN'T CHECK THAT BOX. SO WHY ARE WE GOING TO KEEP THAT IN THE CODE, BUT I SAW SOME EARLIER LANGUAGE AND PANEL HAD NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE. THAT ACTUALLY HAD THE WORD NATURAL.

THEY'RE NOT CULTURAL. I THINK PART OF IT, TOO, IS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE BECAUSE I MEAN, IF

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