THERE. THAT'S WHAT. YOU WANT TO CALL THE MEETING REALLY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD. WE ALL
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STAND, PLEASE. THE LESIONS. STATES OF AMERICA. REPUBLIC SAYS MONDAY. IMAGES OF ALL OF COMMUNITY AND JUSTICE FROM. SO YOU WANT TO CALL ALONG JERRY CAMPENNI CHAIR SCHROTH. MEMBER BREAKFAST HERE. MCCHRYSTAL HERE REMEMBER MOSER AND BOARD MEMBER NOBLE HERE. OKAY CAN I GET A[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, PLEASE? AND I GET A 2ND 2ND. LET'S MOVE BY MARX. OH SORRY. SECONDED BY[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
BARNEY ALL IN FAVOR BY CAN I GET APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES? SO MOVED I GOT A SECOND. SECOND.JESUS IS A MOTION BY MARK SECONDED FRANK ANDY. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OKAY. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. SEE NONE. COMMENTS BY A BOARD MEMBERS FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. SAYING NONE.
[2. MINOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE - MURAL ON A BUILDING LOCATED AT 432 SE MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. BLVD. IN EAST STUART.]
COLONEL YOU'RE UP. THANK YOU. PANEL, GANDHI SOLVED A SIERRA DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD. OUR FIRST APPLICATION IS THE MINOR CONDITIONAL USED FOR MURAL PROJECT. UM, THERE'S A REQUEST TO PAINT A MURAL ON THE EXTERIOR WALL OF A BUILDING ALONG MLK BOULEVARD. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED JUST ACROSS FROM THE CITY OWNED GARAGE COMPLEX. THE ADDRESS IS 432 SOUTHEAST MARTIN LUTHER KING JR BOULEVARD. THIS BUILDING HAS RECENTLY BEEN RENOVATED, PAINT REPAINTED, UM, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING PEER MENTORING SERVICES. IT'S OWNED BY THE MCCARTHY FAMILY, AND THIS BUILDING IS A PERFECT UM, UH, WALLET HAS A PERFECT WALL TO DO A MURAL AT THE IT'S TO ALSO TRANSITION TO SOMETHING MORE. AH MORE EXCITING AND TO CELEBRATE THE HISTORY OF A STEWART. UM THE COMMUNITY HAS ASKED OVER AND OVER TO CONTINUE TO RECOGNIZE THE HISTORY OF E.STEWART. SO THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. WE HAVE BEEN HERE. HE'S A LOCAL ARTIST, AND HE ATTENDED THE MARIN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL. HE WAS ALSO INVOLVED WITH THE MURAL THAT WE SEE ON PRESCRIPTION SHOP ALONG COLORADO. UM A STAFF SHARED THE HISTORY OF EAST STEWART WITH BEN. HE DID ADDITIONAL RESEARCH BY GOING TO THE FEED STORE TALKING TO MR HARVEY AND MR MCCARTHY TO LEARN ABOUT THE HISTORY AND THE NEXT SLIDE HERE SHOWS THE MURAL THAT HE CAME UP WITH SHOWING THE LOCAL SCENE PEOPLE AND HISTORICAL ACTIVITIES IN EAST STEWART. UM THE PROPOSED MURAL WAS PRESENTED TO THE EAST STEWART HISTORICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND THERE'S SOME OF THE COMMENTS WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO THE ARTISTS WHO CONSIDER DR MARTIN LUTHER KING JR AND OTHER CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS TO THE OF THE COMMUNITY. UM SO THE ARTIST HAS REVISED THE RENDERING SINCE THAT MEETING, AND, UM I WILL LET HIM PROVIDE THE DETAILS OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DEPICTED IN THIS MURAL. STARTING YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE POLICE. AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. OKAY UM, MY NAME IS BENJAMIN PEREZ. AND I'M THE ARTISTS WORKING ON THIS MURAL. UM. SO DESCRIPTION OF IT IS, UH LET'S SEE DIFFERENT PEOPLE PORTRAYED JAMES HALL. UM THE FIRST BLACK OFFICER FOR ME, STEWART, TWO YOUNG MEN IN JERSEYS. UM THE JERSEY ON THE LEFT IS FLORIDA A AND M A PUBLIC HISTORICALLY BLACK LAND GRANT UNIVERSITY, LOCATED IN TEL TALLAHASSEE, PART ON MARTIN LUTHER KING. JR BOULEVARD AND THE OTHER JERSEY IS FOR THE STUART HORNETS. UM, THE LOCAL YOUTH FOOTBALL TEAM. ALSO SORA NEALE HURSTON, AN AMERICAN AUTHOR AND FILMMAKER WHO VISITED THE EAST STEWART AREA. JUSTIN SIMMONS OF FOOTBALL PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL PLAYER WHOSE FAMILY LIVED IN THE STEWART. STUART TRAINING SCHOOL, WHICH WAS THE HIGH SCHOOL FOR BLACK AMERICANS IN MARTIN COUNTY DURING SEGREGATION, A SAXOPHONE PLAYER TO SYMBOLIZE THE JAZZ ERA WHICH PERSISTED THROUGH THE 19 HUNDREDS. A SCENE FROM PROM WITH COUPLE DANCING. THAT'S A LOT OF MUSIC SINCE DANCING SCHOOL AND COMMUNITY WE'RE ALL TIED TOGETHER. THE STEWARD BASEBALL
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LEAGUE. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. WHO INSPIRED THE COMMUNITY AND HAS BEEN THE NAME OF THE ROAD.THE MURAL IS LOCATED. NAMED AFTER HIM. AH HIBISCUS FLOWERS THAT HAVE A PRESENCE INSPIRED BY BEANIE BACCHUS. THE PAINTING LOCATED IT, STUART HERITAGE MUSEUM. UH AND SOME OTHER NEW ADDITIONS WERE MADE MISS COSTELLO WILLIAMS, SHE SERVED AS A TEACHER IN THE 19 HUNDREDS.
AND SHE WOULD HELP THE COMMUNITY BY OPENING UP HER GARAGE AND ALLOWING PEOPLE TO TAKE WHATEVER THEY NEEDED, SUCH AS CLOTHES AND SHOES. RICHARD MCCARTY. HE SERVED FOR THE BETTER PART OF HIS LIFE IN THE AMERICAN RED CROSS. AND THE IMAGES THEN COMPLETED WITH THE WHO GOT GAME NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION WE MENTORED TO SAVE LIVES. WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE DESIGN, SHOWING PEOPLE WHO WERE MENTORS TO THE COMMUNITY. AND THE FURTHER COLOR SCHEME. I WANTED TO GO TO ONE THAT WAS, UM, RELEVANT WITH THE AH TO THE SCHOOL. WHICH WAS A SELECT NUMBER OF COLORS. I JUST SAID IT IN A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL, SUCH AS WEIGHING AND SOME DIFFERENT TONES. UM THE COMMUNITY HAD REQUESTED THAT HOW DO HOW CAN THEY FIND MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS ARTWORK? UH SO WE'VE CREATED. JORDAN'S WORKING ON THIS. JORDAN'S PINKS ISSUE. THE PROGRAM MANAGER WITH THE C R A AND SHE'S WORKING ON THE LANDING PAGE TO SHOW DIFFERENT PUBLIC ART. THAT WILL, UM, BEFORE COMING IN E. STEWART. UM SO THIS WOULD BE THE LANDING PAGE THAT PEOPLE WOULD GO TO WHEN THEY CLICK ON OUR SKIN ON THE Q R CODE. WE PLAN TO INSTALL THE Q R CODE RIGHT NEXT TO THE ARTWORK ON THE WALL. AND IT'LL TAKE THEM TO THE WEB PAGE. UM, AND IT WILL HELP TO ENHANCE EXPERIENCE AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE ARTWORK AND ARTIST. UM WELL, WE'LL ALSO ADD ADDITIONAL ARTWORK THAT WILL GO IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO CONTINUE TO CELEBRATE THE HISTORY OF EAST STEWART. UM MARTIN COUNTY ARTS COUNCIL REVIEW THE ARTWORK AND THEY PROVIDED A LETTER OF SUPPORT. FOR THE ARTISTS AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS MURAL. AND TODAY'S STAFF IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 1-20 24 APPROVING THE PROPOSED MURAL WITH CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO THE RESOLUTION. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR PANEL OR THE ARTIST? I HAVE JUST I NEVER DOUBTED THAT. I JUST HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION A LITTLE BIT. AND YOU KNOW, I REALLY LIKE THIS. I MEAN, I THINK THAT WE'RE DOING THIS IN DIFFERENT PLACES IS LOOKING REALLY. I MEAN, IT'S REALLY NICE TO, YOU KNOW, TO PRESENT THE CHARACTER. WHAT MY QUESTION ON THIS WAS. WE'VE GOT A MIX HERE OF LOCAL THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY HAVE TIES TO THE COMMUNITY AND HERE AND THEN WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THE NECESSARY TIE. THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK MARTIN LUTHER KING EVER WAS ACTUALLY HERE, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NATIONAL PICTURE AND LOCAL PICTURE. I THINK WE SHOULD RECOGNIZE ONE OF THE NATIONAL FIGURES THAT WAS HERE AND THAT'S JACKIE ROBINSON. UM HE USED TO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A NEGRO LEAGUE HERE IN STUART FOR A LONG TIME. IT WAS EXTREMELY POPULAR PROGRAM. WE'VE HAD ATHLETES COME OUT OF HERE THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, PLAYED AND EVENTUALLY WENT INTO THE YOU KNOW, INTO THE PRO RANKS. ONCE IT WAS DESEGREGATED, AND SO I THINK YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STUART BASEBALL LEAGUE. I THINK THAT IT'S SOME RESPECT. WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST REFLECT JACKIE ROBINSON IN THERE BECAUSE HE DID ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN OUR COMMUNITY USED TO COME HERE WHEN HE WAS IN SPRING TRAINING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO ANYWAY, JUST A COMMENT ANYONE ELSE? AH, PANEL. JUST JUST JUST FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE. WE DON'T REALLY CHOOSE WHAT GOES INTO THE DRAWING THE ARTIST DOES. IT GOES OVER TO NANCY AT THE ARTS COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ARTIST IS A REAL ARTIST. AND THEN, OF COURSE, SINCE IT'S GOING ON MR MCCARTHY'S BUILDING, HE GETS A BIG SAY. BUT IN GENERAL. WE DON'T REALLY GET. TO CHOOSE WHAT WHO GOES IN WHO GOES INTO THE ART. SO WHILE ACTUALLY, I NOTE I KNEW MR MCCARTY. WE WORK TOGETHER TOWARDS THE END OF HIS LIFE AT THE RED CROSS BECAUSE I WAS AT THE RED CROSS AT THE TIME. AND SO, YES. IT DOES. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD REPRESENTATION. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT . MAYBE AN ARTIST. AT SOME POINT WE'LL HAVE JACKIE ROBINSON, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK WE ARE THE ONES WHO SAY YOU'RE GONNA DO IT UNLESS MARK YOU WANT TO DONATE A
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MURAL I WOULD LIKE TO. I HAD THE MONEY, I WOULD DO IT IN A HEARTBEAT. I DO LIKE THAT IDEA ANYWAYS. AND I LIKE THIS ONE OTHER QUESTIONS. SEE NONE. CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE TO APPROVE? AND I GOT A 2ND 2ND. MOTION. BY MARK SECONDED BY ANDY ON FAVOR BY OKAY. IT'S[3. MURAL MATCHING GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CRA AND PROPERTY OWNER OF 432 SE MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. BLVD.]
UNANIMOUS. NELL SO THE NEXT DISCONTINUATION OF THE MURAL APPLICATION. THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO APPLIED FOR MUTUAL GRANT PROGRAM. UM THEY'RE REQUESTING GRANT MATCH OF $3000 FOR THE PROPOSED MURAL. THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT IS $6000. AND SO THEY DO QUALIFY TO RECEIVE 50% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COST. NOT TO EXCEED $3000, SO THE AGREEMENT IS ATTACHED TO YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE. UM THIS DOES NOT SEEM LIKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT FOR THE SIZE OF THE MURAL, UM AND BASED ON PREVIOUS MURALS THAT WE'VE SEEN, IT GOES MORE THAN $6000 FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. SO UM, THE APPLICANT IS JUST ASKING FOR A MATCH OF $3000. UM STAFF IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 202-20 24 TO AWARD GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $3000 FOR THE MURAL.OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR PENNELL? C NINE. CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 022? 2024 SO MOVED I GOT A 2ND 2ND. MOTION TO APPROVE BY MARK CIRCULATED BY BONNIE IT'S MONEY, SO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. REMEMBER NOBLE. UH, CONFIRM. REMEMBER MCCHRYSTAL? YES MEMBER BOOZER? YES. CHAIR CAMPENNI? YES. REMEMBER BREAKFAST? YES. IT'S APPROVED. UNANIMOUSLY.
SURE, COME ON UP TO THE MICROPHONE. RIGHT? I DIDN'T SEE YOUR CARD THAT I HAD TO. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. I AM. EARNESTLY NARRATIVE. A NALIVKA AND GOING TO FLORIDA, BUT I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE. AND STEWART. AND I SEE THAT. JACKIE ROBINSON NAME HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP. WHICH IS GOOD. HE WAS A GREAT BASEBALL PLAYER. AND I'M SURE HE IS. WELL, NO. BUT WHEN YOU SAY MARTIN LUTHER KING HE'S KNOWN ALL OVER THE WORLD. AND THEY EACH REPRESENT SOMETHING. AND I DO THINK THAT YEAH. MARTIN LUTHER KING'S MURAL. IS ON THAT WALL OR MARTIN LUTHER KING DRIVE. IT WOULD DRAW PEOPLE. FROM DIFFERENT PLACES TO COME AND SEE THAT MURAL, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS WHAT STUART NEEDS SOMETHING TO BRING IN MORE BUSINESS. AS I SAY. I LEFT HERE AND 19 UH, 51. I ATTEND TO STUART TRENDS SCHOOL. AND HAD ME A LOT OF. LAVA THINGS ARE DIFFERENT NOW THAN WHEN I MOVED AWAY, AND I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE. LIVE. BUT I WANT TO SAY ONE THING. I THINK WE ARE SORT OF A LITTLE BEHIND TIME. I LIVE IN PALM BEACH COUNTY. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WHICH MAKES SENSE TO ME WHEN SOMEONE TELLS ME HE SAID, WELL, I'M GOING TO MOVE NORTH AND WHEN THEY SAY NO, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT POETS. THANK LUCY, YOU KNOW, SO WE NEED TO BRING SOMETHING INTO STEWART. THAT'S GONNA BRING MORE PEOPLE. AND I DO THINK A NATIONWIDE PERSON LIKE MODERN KING WILL BRING PEOPLE IN. YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'VE SITES IN AND STEWART SO I KNOW THE CHOICE OF YOURS, BUT I JUST WANT TO VOICE MY OPINION. THANK
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YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. OKAY? MOVING ON TO LIGHT UP NUMBER FOUR AMENDMENT TO THE MURAL MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM. THANK YOU. SO THIS PROGRAM WAS ADOPTED BY THE C, R B AND C ARE IN 2018 STAFF IS REQUESTING TO EXPAND THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROGRAM TO INCLUDE ALL THE PARCELS WITHIN THE C R. A. CURRENTLY THE PROGRAM INCLUDES ALL PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND FACILITIES WITHIN THE C R A. BUT THERE IS LIMITATION AS FAR AS COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE BUILDINGS. AH SO IT'S ONLY PROGRAM IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO URBAN DISTRICTS EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE[00:15:02]
CREEK DISTRICT AS SHOWN ON THE MAP HERE. SO THE EXPANSION OF THE BOUNDARY WOULD INCLUDE THE ENTIRE CR A. SINCE THE PROGRAM IS FUNDED BY TIFF. IT ONLY MAKES SENSE THAT ALL THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE C R A BENEFIT FROM THE PROGRAM. HOWEVER WE THIS PROGRAM WOULD ONLY BE OFFERED TO COMMERCIAL AND BIG MIXED USE PROPERTIES. UM WE ARE STARTING TO GET MORE REQUESTS FROM OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY OF WHAT YOU JUST SAW EARLIER SLIDE. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND AND OFFER THE PROGRAM TO THE ENTIRE CR A. CURRENTLY WE ONLY GET ABOUT ONE OR TWO APPLICATIONS EVERY FISCAL YEAR AND REALLOCATE ABOUT $20,000 FOR THE PROGRAM, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE FUNDING AVAILABILITY. IF WE DO EXPAND THE PROJECT AREA WILL JUST HAVE MORE ARTWORK AND IN THE C R A. SO IT'S A THE WIN WIN THE STAFF IS REQUESTING TO RECOMMEND TO THE SIERRA TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 05-20 24 EXPANDING THE PROGRAM BOUNDARY AND INCLUDING THE ENTIRE C R. A THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR KAMIL? THE IT'S JUST A COMMENT RELATIVELY SO MAYBE WE DO IT ON ON, YOU KNOW, AFTER APPROVAL, BUT, UM I. WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE STEPPED FORWARD ONE IN PARTICULAR, SPEAKING OF MARTIN LUTHER KING MURAL THAT STARTED KIND OF SOME OF THIS AND DID SOME OF THIS BEFORE WE HAD THIS PROGRAM IN PLACE, AND SO THEY'VE ALREADY DONE IT. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN GRANDFATHER SOME OF THOSE IN FOR SOME OF THE OTHER COSTS THAT THEY MIGHT INCUR LIKE SEALANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO THAT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY DONE IT OUT OF POCKET. UM AND NOW THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PUTTING ANOTHER MURAL ON MAYBE COULD GET SOME FUNDING TO HELP THEM MAINTAIN THE MURAL THAT THEY DID OUT OF POCKET. SO IF THEY WEREN'T FUNDED AT ALL, UM AND SO MAYBE ADD SOME LANGUAGE THAT FUNDING COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR ME TO MAINTAINING THE MURAL. YEAH IS THAT WHAT YOU REALLY MEAN? BECAUSE NOW IN FIVE YEARS. IF SOMEONE HAS ALREADY RECEIVED THE $3000 YOU'RE SAYING THEY SHOULD GET MORE MONEY? NO NO, NO. I'M SAYING THAT SOMEBODY WHO'S DONE IT WITHOUT THE GRANT.AND NOW IT'S BEEN COME COMING BACK TO DO MAINTENANCE ON IT SHOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR SOME FUNDING ON THAT, IF IT'S SEALANT OR WHATEVER IT IS, UM YOU KNOW, IN PARTICULAR, I'M THINKING ABOUT REALLY THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS DONE WAS DONE BY THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS THERE AT THE AT THE PHARMACY. KIM JONES'S PROPERTY PHARMACY WAS WE THAT WAS BEFORE THE PROGRAM. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WE REQUEST THAT WE WE'VE ACTUALLY RECEIVED A REQUEST FOR MAINTENANCE THROUGH THE BIRTH PROGRAM, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING IT THROUGH THE BIRTH PROGRAM. AH NO, WE DIDN'T DO IT THROUGH THE BIRTH PROGRAM. INSTEAD OF THAT. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE INSTEAD OF DOING THAT COULD YOU CAN USE? I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO MAKE A COMMENT NOW. BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO MIKE INTO ME AND SEE WHETHER THEY CAN CRAFT AN INDIVIDUAL RESOLUTION AND THEN WE COULD JUST KEEP SET OF TRUCK CHANGING FOR EVERYONE. AND WE CAN CRAFT IT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. FOR ALL THE JUST FOR THAT, BECAUSE THAT ONE THAT I KNOW OF 3000. OKAY I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ONES.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I KNOW OF OFFHAND WOULD KNOW THAT ONE AND, UH, 80 T BUILDING THOSE TWO WERE DONE WITHOUT THE GRANT I WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT WE GAVE THEM MONEY. I THINK WE WAIVE THE FEES. WE WAIVE THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION FEE AT THAT TIME , BUT THERE WAS NO GRANT PROGRAM DURING THAT PROGRAM. BUT RIGHT WE WAVED SOME FEES, APPLICATION FEES, SO I'M JUST GONNA BE UNLESS YOU THE BOARD WANTS TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. I'M JUST GOING TO ASK THAT WE BRING BACK THE RESOLUTION. FOR THE SEALANT FOR THAT PARTICULAR MURAL. DO THAT, SO THAT WE'RE NOT OPENING UP A CAN OF WORMS. I JUST DON'T. I JUST DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE SOMEBODY FROM OUT OF POCKET DECIDING TO GO AHEAD AND DO SOMETHING THEMSELVES AND THEN YOU KNOW, LATER ON THEY FIND THEY NEED SOME MAINTENANCE MONEY . THEY CAN'T GET IT. SO WE'RE ALL AGREED OR BRING SOMETHING BACK TO THE BOARD. COULD THAT BE DONE THROUGH BER PROGRAM? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE WHY NOT CHANGE THE BIRTH PROGRAM. IN SOME WAY, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE. SOMEHOW WE CAN CRAFT IT IN THERE. OKAY WITH THAT WAY. OKAY. IS EVERYBODY ELSE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THIS? MAKING THE SCIARRA THE ELIGIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE PROGRAM. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. CAN I GET A RESOLUTION? CAN I GET A MOTION? CAN I GET A SECOND? SECOND MOTION BY MARKS SECONDED BY ANDY AH, THIS IS WE COULD DO IT ALL IN FAVOR, RIGHT ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. I
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JUST WANT TO GET CREDIT FOR THE MINUTES. I'M MAKING THE MINUTES REALLY EASY ON YOU. OKAY NUMBER[5. DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION - PUBLIC ART PROGRAM AND TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE]
FIVE DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION , PUBLIC ART PROGRAM AND TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. OKAY SO TODAY IS ALL ABOUT TODAY IS ALL ABOUT PUBLIC ART, SO I KEPT IT ALL TOGETHER. UM SO AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, NANCY TERRELL WAS HERE FROM THE ARTS COUNCIL GAVE THE PRESENTATION AND ABOARD. MADE SOME COMMENTS, AND THE BOARD WAS ASKED TO SEND ADDITIONAL COMMENTS TO ME DIRECTLY REGARDING REGARDING THE PUBLIC ART CODE. SO UM, I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE COMMENTS AND SOME OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE LANGUAGE AND LOOK FOR SOME FEEDBACK AND RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY. ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS DEFINING PROFESSIONAL ART ARTIST BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET SOME REPLICA REPRODUCTION ITEM INSTALLED AS PUBLIC ART, SO MAYBE WE DEFINE PROFESSIONAL ARTISTS. WE FOUND SOME LANGUAGE IN THE CITY OF CORAL GABLES SO WE COULD USE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, AND AGAIN ALL THIS ANY AMENDED LANGUAGE WILL COME AS A ORDINANCE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT, SO YOU'LL SEE A STRIKE THROUGH AN UNDERLYING WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT BRINGS THE AMENDMENTS TWO YEARS TODAY, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHETHER YOU WANT THE DEFINITION ADDED TO THE TO THE CODE. UM NEXT IS PUBLIC ART PROJECTS MAY NOT INCLUDE REPRODUCTION OF ORIGINAL ART OR MASS PRODUCED ART OBJECTS. UM THIS IS TO AVOID AGAIN, YOU KNOW, JUST REPLICA OR SOMETHING FROM CHINA. ARTWORK. PROMOTE PROMOTE AND ENCOURAGE FUNCTIONAL ARTWORK THAT SERVES AS PRACTICAL AND USEFUL PURPOSES SUCH AS FURNITURE, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ADD TO THE CODE AND THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT CAN HAVE THAT DIALOGUE WITH THE DEVELOPERS, UM, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD, UM PREFERS. UM PROVIDE WORK OF ART ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE. PROVIDED THE WORK IS AN ORIGINAL AND MUST BE CREATED BY THE PROFESSIONAL ARTISTS OR TEAM OF ARTISTS. BRONZE SCULPTURES IS LIMITED EDITIONS OF NOT MORE THAN 50, ALL SIZES AND MATERIAL BIAS. SINGLE ARTISTS ARE ALLOWED. UM THIS COMMENT CAME FROM BONNIE. AH SHE FELT THAT THIS WAS MISLEADING AND THAT THE DEVELOPER MAY READ AND ASSUME THAT THE ONLY TYPE OF ARTWORK ALLOWED IS CULTURE, SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO TWEAK THE LANGUAGE AND JUST CLARIFY THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. OF ARTWORK THAT THAT THEY COULD INCORPORATE AS PART OF THEIR PROJECT. UM ENCOURAGE PUBLIC ART VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND APPROVED WORK OF ART. SHELBY INCORPORATE INTO THE SITE PLAN, PUBLIC LOBBY FLOOR PLAN OR THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. UM THE COMMENT WE HEARD IS THAT WE SHOULD REMOVE PUBLIC LOBBY FLOOR OPTION BECAUSE IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. HMM. AND SPECIFY WHEN ARTWORK NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED, UM, EARLY IN THE PROCESS MAY HELP ARTWORK TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE SPACE MORE SEAMLESSLY AND REDUCED RISK OF BEING OBJECT ORIENTED RATHER THAN PLACE ORIENTED, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO DISCUSS. AT WHAT POINT DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE ARTWORK INCORPORATED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT? RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT ALWAYS PRESENTED AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN. SOMETIMES IT COMES FORWARD ONCE THE SITE PLAN IS APPROVED, SO, UM WE CAN DISCUSS THAT THE VALUE OF ARTWORK SHALL NOT BE LESS THAN 1% OF THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT MAY PROPOSE ARTWORK ON THE DEVELOPMENT, SIDE OR CONTRIBUTION AMOUNT OF EQUAL. TO 1% OF THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION TO THE PUBLIC ART TRUST FUNDING DO OF PROVIDING WORK OF ART ON SIDE. UM ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE HEARD IS I SHOULD BE ALLOWED A REDUCTION IN PERCENTAGE US, TWO INCENTIVIZED THE DEVELOPMENT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE PUBLIC TRUST FUND IN LIEU OF PROVIDING ARTWORK ON THE DEVELOPMENT SITE. UM ONE OF THE CONCERNS OF STAFF HAS IS THE COST AND STAFF TIME IMPLEMENTING THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM. SHOULD WE HAVE ENOUGH FUN IN THE TRUST FUND? VERSUS PUTTING THE BURDEN ON THE DEVELOPER. LET THEM DO THE RESEARCH AND PRESENT AND, UM WE CAN CRITIQUE THE PROJECT DURING DURING THEIR PRESENTATION. UM IF THE VALUE OF ON SITE WORK OF OUR PROPOSED ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE IS LESS THAN 1% OF THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF DEVELOPMENT, A DEVELOPER MAY HAVE AN OPTION TO CONTRIBUTE THE REMAINING BALANCE OF THE PUBLIC ART FEED TO THE PUBLIC ART TRUST FUND. UM, WHAT THAT MEANS, IF 1% OF THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION[00:25:01]
COSTS THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR INSTANCE, PUBLIC ARTWORK. THAT'S $50,000. BUT THE ARTWORK IS ONLY $40,000. THE REMAINING 10,000 COULD GO TO THE TRUST FUND. UM THE COMMENT WE HEARD IS THAT THIS SHOULD BE STRICTLY ENFORCED . UM YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T JUST APPROVE SOMETHING IF IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. UM YOU KNOW IF IT'S NOT VISIBLE THAT THEY SHOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THE TRUST FUND. UM BUT AGAIN REMEMBER, CAUSE AND STAFF TIME IMPLEMENTING THE PROGRAM ONCE WE HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS, UM VERSUS PUTTING THE BURDEN ON THE DEVELOPER UM, IF A DEVELOPER IF THE WORK OF ART HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE CR V AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION FOR BUILDING PERMIT THE PERMIT APPLICATIONS SHALL SHALL PROVIDE PERFORMANCE SECURITY, BOND OR OTHERS SURETY ACCEPTANCE TO THE CITY. SO, UM. TYPICALLY WE PUT A CONDITION IN THE IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER THAT THEY HAVE TO PRESENT THE PUBLIC ART PRIOR TO CEO OF THE BUILDING. UM SO IF THEY HAVE TO PROVIDED EARLIER IN THE PROCESS, UM MAYBE DURING THE DESIGN PHASE, AND MAYBE THAT LANGUAGE CAN COME OUT. AGAIN THAT DEPENDS ON AT WHAT LEVEL DO WE WANT THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC ART? UM ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION OF LOCAL ARTISTS. UM PROVIDE SOME SORT OF INCENTIVES IF THEY USE LOCAL ARTISTS. PROPOSED ARTWORK REFLECTS CULTURAL DIVERSITY. UM THAT HAS COME UP PREVIOUSLY AGAIN. THAT'S JUST BECAUSE WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY WHERE KNOWN AS A SAILFISH, CAPITAL OF THE WORK WORLD, UM SO PEOPLE TEND TO USE SELFISH AS THEIR ARTWORK. UM AND SO MAYBE MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OF DIFFERENT TYPE OF ARTWORK YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT SO THAT THEY CAN ENCOURAGE THOSE DEVELOPERS TO INCORPORATE DIFFERENT ARTWORK. UM CONTINUE TO COORDINATE WITH ARTS. CLINTON'S COUNCIL OF MARTIN COUNTY TO REVIEW PUBLIC ART PROJECTS CREATE AN INDEX PORTFOLIO OF LOCAL ARTISTS IN PAST PROJECTS, UM, AND ENCOURAGE DIVERSITY OF ARTWORK. THOSE ARE ALL THE COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I RECEIVED AND THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY? WANTS TO DISCUSS FIRST. THIS IS A VERY SILENT CRUDE TODAY, MARK HERSELF FEW WORDS I'LL DISCUSS. I'LL DISCUSS FIRST, UM I DO LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DO LIKE, WHAT WERE YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE? AND UM, I JUST HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND TOO BAD. NICK'S NOT HERE, BUT IS THERE A SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS. AND FAIR MARKET VALUE. IN OTHER WORDS, WHY ISN'T IT A PERCENTAGE OF FAIR MARKET VALUE RATHER THAN A PERCENTAGE OF VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS. THAT'S ONE QUESTION I HAD, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, UM I DO LIKE, UM I DO LIKE THE PREFERENCE FOR LOCAL ARTISTS, AND I SAID BEFORE, I THINK YOU KNOW, THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING IN THERE. THAT HELPS FUND THAT INCLUDING UM, I BELIEVE IF WE CAN EVEN MAKE SOME ASSISTANCE TO ENCOURAGE, UM. ARTISTS WHO ARE TRYING TO BECOME PROFESSIONAL ARTISTS THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING AT IT. CONTINUE TO DO WHAT? WHAT THEY'RE DOING. WE SAW A GREAT HERO HERE TODAY THAT'S COMING FROM BASICALLY AN EMERGING ARTIST. UM YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ENCOURAGE THAT RATHER THAN TO, YOU KNOW, TO DISCOURAGE IT OR, YOU KNOW HAVE HAVE US CONSTANTLY HAVE THE SAME THING. I MEAN, I'M GETTING TIRED OF SELFISH STATUES . AND EVEN THOUGH I LOVE HIM, BUT I'M GETTING TIRED OF THEM. SO UM AND, UH AND I THINK.HAVING FORCING THE DEVELOPER TO GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO THE ARTWORK. IN THE DESIGN PHASE, I THINK IS A GOOD THING. AND I THINK WE SHOULDN'T CONTINUE TO ARE WE CAN ENCOURAGE THAT. LET ME ASK OUR EXPERTS. WHEN IS FAIR MARKET VALUE WAS SIGNED. THAT'S JUST THAT'S NOT A SIGN UNTIL IT GOES UNTIL THE CEO IS ISSUED. IS THAT CORRECT? THE ATTACKS HAVE PRAISED THE FRASER. EITHER CRYSTAL OF THE WHOEVER WANTS TO SPEAK SO I MEANOW THE ANSWER, IK WE CAN PUT THAT IN A COLD RIGHT NOW. FIND OUT THEY CAN COME BACK. BUT I THINK 1% OF THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IMMEDIATELY. I THINK I THINK THAT'S A FINE STANDARD. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE IT, WE COULD DO THAT. BUT I THINK 1% IS A FINE SKIN. YEAH I WOULD PROBABLY AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE IT'S IDENTIFIABLE. FAIR MARKET VALUE IS ARGUABLE. WHAT'S
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LISTED PROPERTY PRAISES NOT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE INACCURATE, BAROMETRIC VALUE AND NICK AND CHANGE THE WAY THE MARKET'S BEEN LATELY. I DON'T MIND. SO. WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS CAME UP WITH THE REASON WHY THEY WANTED THAT IN THERE, BUT I MEAN, WHEN YOU DO AN APPRAISAL OF A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, IT DOESN'T REALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION NEVER USES CONSTRUCTION COSTS. IT'S EITHER BASED ON INCOME APPROACH, UM, A COMP APPROACH OR IT'S GOING TO USE REPLACEMENT COST, BUT ALMOST ALWAYS IN COMMERCIAL. IT'S THE INCOME APPROACH. AND SO THAT CAN BE THAT CAN BE DEFINED PRETTY EASILY. AT THE AT THE DATE OF YOU KNOW WHEN THE PROJECT IS FINISHED EVEN BEFORE THE BANKS ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT KIND OF ESTIMATE, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE LOANING MONEY, THEY'RE GONNA LOAN IT BASED ON WHAT THEY THINK THAT FAIR MARKET VALUE IS GOING TO BE. JUST THINK IT WOULD BE AN EASY NUMBERS TO GET AGAIN. I THINK THAT OPENS IT UP TO A LOT OF DEBATE, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PUBLIC HEART WITHOUT A LOT OF DEBATE. AND I THINK WHAT YOU'VE GOT WHAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH. AS FAR AS WHEN IN THE PROCESS THEY HAVE TO COMMIT TO THAT AND SHOW US WHAT IT IS A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT IT HAS BEEN , AND I THINK WE'LL JUST HAVE FIGHTS WITH DEVELOPERS, AND WE TRY TO CHANGE THAT PHOTO CONSTRUCTION AND PERSONNEL OR CHRIS. I THINK IN A LOT OF PLACES, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN OTHER CODES. YOU ASLEEP? I DON'T THINK YOU SEE FAIR MARKET VALUE. UM I DO HAVE CONCERN ABOUT I WONDER IF THEY WOULD HAVE THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION CAUSE AT THE DESIGN PHASE BECAUSE USUALLY IT'S DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PUT UM YOU KNOW, PUT THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND THAT'S HOW WE WOULD DETERMINE 1% OF THAT CONSTRUCTION COSTS. SO MAYBE NOT DESIGN THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I KNOW FROM APPROPRIATE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DISCUSS. UM YOU KNOW, WITH STAFF AND FIGURE OUT AT WHAT LEVEL OF WHAT WHAT TIME IN THE PROCESS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT, BECAUSE I KNOW FROM PRIOR EXPERIENCE THAT I'M ALWAYS WRONG IN TERMS OF WHAT I THINK THOSE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE GONNA BE AND YOU KNOW THAT HE'S LIKE SO AT THE DESIGN PHASE, THOSE NUMBERS MAY BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AT THE AT THE FINAL STAGE, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEWHERE WE COULD ENCOURAGE THEM SO THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. AHEAD OF TIME.
YOU KNOW, THE LAST DEAL WE APPROVED WAS ONE THAT I MEAN THE BUILDINGS UP AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY BEHIND THE PROCESS THAT ONE WAS JUST BECAUSE OF STAFF. NO, I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, WE KNOW WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE AT ALL TIMES. YEAH IT'S EASIER TO TRACK AND I THINK YOU SHOULD PROBABLY BE SUBMITTED AT THE SAME TIME WHEN THEY SUBMIT BUILDING PERMITS. SO THAT WAY IF WE NEED TO REQUEST ANY CHANGES, BUT THEN IT HAS TO COME BACK TO US. CORRECT, RIGHT? YES. GO AHEAD, CHRIS. CHRISTMAS TREE FOR THE RECORD. USUALLY THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL IS PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE BUILDING PROGRAM. SO AT THE TIME THE BUILDING PERMIT THAT'S USUALLY WHEN THEY SUBMIT THE MINOR DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONAL USE. SO. I'VE SEEN IT BOTH WAYS. THAT'S WHY I HAVE SEEN IT PRIOR TO CEO AND PRIOR TO BUILDING PERMIT. MAYBE WE NEED TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS. UM YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS ABOUT. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE SUBMITTING THE IDEA BETWEEN THE DESIGN PHASE OR LATER, UM WHAT I'M THINKING OF IS SOME OF THE LAST FEW THAT WE'VE COME INTO APPROVED. UM ONE OF THEM JUST HAD LIKE A SPOT AND THEY SAID WE'RE GOING TO PUT ARTWORK HERE AND THE OTHER ONE. AH HAD MURALS PLANNED ON THE SIDE OF WALLS AND WHEN I WAS ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT DESIGN, AND YOU KNOW, COULD THESE WALLS BE LOWERED? IT WAS LIKE NO BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE OUR MURALS ARE GOING, AND TO ME THAT SHOW THEY HAD REALLY THOUGHT THROUGH. YOU KNOW YOUR SITE ENGINEERS YOUR ARCHITECTURE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS WERE ALL WORKING TOGETHER FOR WHERE THEY WANTED THAT ARTWORK TO GO, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IF THAT'S A GOOD DEVELOPER. SOMEBODY WHO'S GOT A TEAM THAT'S YOU KNOW ALL YOUR DESIGNS STAFFER. WORKING TOGETHER INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, IN A IN AN ORDER AND UH, JUST THAT. NOT SEEING THE ARTWORK BE THE LAST PIECE OF THE PUZZLE, AND I KNOW THAT'S DIFFICULT WITH THE COST. BUT MAYBE THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU KNOW AND $80,000 MURAL OR $200,000 MURAL OR SAME WITH THE SCULPTURE WHATEVER IS BEING IMPLEMENTED. I THINK JUST HAVING SOME SORT OF IDEA OF WHAT IS GOING INTO THE SITE SO THAT IT'S NOT AN AFTERTHOUGHT, OK? ANYONE ELSE ON ANYTHING ELSE IN THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED. FOR IS THAT IT AND I'LL I'LL ASK STAFF IS ANYTHING THAT WAS PROPOSED HERE. NOT GOOD TO IMPOSE. HOW'S
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THAT? BECAUSE THIS IS JUST US THROWING IDEAS OVER THE WALL. SO STAFF HAS TO BE THE ONES THAT CARRY IT OUT. SO IS THERE ANYTHING IN THOSE CHANGES THAT YOU FELT? IT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. WELL AT, UM, WHENEVER I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THAT IF WE PROVIDE SOME SORT OF INCENTIVES OR CONTRIBUTION TO THE PUBLIC TRUST FUND THAT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM, AND IT'S TIME CONSUMING. NOT THAT WE CAN'T DO IT. WE CAN DO IT. IT'S JUST IF THE DEVELOPER CAN YOU KNOW, THEY PUT THE BURDEN ON THEM TO COME UP WITH THE PROJECT. AGAIN I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. BUT THE REASON WHY IS IT CORRECT ME? IF I'M WRONG? WE'VE NEVER HAD ANYONE. PUT MONEY INTO THE PUBLIC PROGRAM HAVE WE KNOW BECAUSE THERE HAS NO BUT THERE'S NO INCENTIVE. BUT IF WE SAY HEY, IF YOU USE LOCAL ARTISTS WILL REDUCE THE COST TO 9% OF THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS. YOU KNOW, IF YOU PROVIDE SOME SORT OF INCENTIVES, THEY MIGHT LEAN MORE TOWARDS PUTTING IN TRUST FUND RIGHT NOW, IT'S EQUAL. THEY CAN PUT IT ON THEIR SITE OR WELL, WE COULD STILL ENCOURAGE LOCAL ART. I MEAN, WE'RE ENCOURAGING. WE'RE NOT DEMANDING USE LOCAL ARTISTS, RIGHT? NO, I MEAN WE'RE GIVING THEM AN INCENTIVE, THOUGH, IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY INCENTIVES, SAYING WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT APPEARS GIVING THEM AN INCENTIVE SO THAT YOU KNOW IF IT'S IF IT'S 1% THERE, YOU KNOW, 0.9 OR WHATEVER. WE JUST LEAVE IT AT WE, YOU KNOW, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO USE LOCAL ARTISTS, BUT WE DON'T FORCE THEM TO USE LOCAL ARTIST, BUT WE DO FORCE THEM TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW. SO THAT'S A RECOGNIZABLE ARTIST. CHRIS THINK THAT HAVING THE LIST OF ALL THE ARTISTS WITH THE ART COUNCIL ENCOURAGE THEM TO SEEK OUT THOSE ARTISTS AS WELL. THAT'S AN INCENTIVE IN ITSELF. YES SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BALANCE SEARCH FOR COUNCIL DOES HAVE AND WE'RE GOING TO COMPILE ALL OF THE PREVIOUS APPROVALS FOR THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM TO HAVE YOU KNOW A PORTFOLIO ITSELF, SO WE REALLY DON'T NEED TO GIVE AN INCENTIVE SO AND I DON'T SEE THEM. DOING THAT. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU CAME UP WITH GUYS THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS UNWORKABLE? OKAY DOES ANYBODY WANT TO ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM ANYTHING WE HAVE UP THERE. LOOKS GOOD. THEN. CAN I ASK IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS? FOR THAT TO BE BROUGHT BACK WITH THOSE CHANGES. UM YES, IT WILL BE PROCESSED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. UM I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BRING FORWARD UM LANDSCAPE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING ON THE LANDSCAPE AND SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND PUBLIC ART ALTOGETHER. YEAH. OKAY, THEN.THAT'S FINE. UM. SO THAT THAT COMES TO THE END OF OUR MEETING. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE
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TO SAY FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? WE STILL HAVE. WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM DO. SUMMARY OF THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CRB MEMBERS WHO IS TAKING THIS? I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE ITEM. UM SO LIKE THE LAST MEETING, THE BOARD ASKED. WHAT ARE THEY ARE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. SO HERE WE HAVE A LIST, UM, TO REVIEW APPLICATIONS FOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE AND P U D AMENDMENT REVIEW APPLICATIONS PERTAINING TO HISTORIC BUILDINGS. AH AMENDMENTS TO ANY SPECIAL ZONING CODES, INCLUDING URBAN CODE CREEK DISTRICT AND THE STEWARD NEIGHBORHOOD CODE. UM AND, OF COURSE, THE BOARD AT ITS OWN DISCRETION, REQUEST ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS TO THIS TO CHAPTER THREE SECTION 3.01. 0.20 SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DISCUSSED TODAY FOR PUBLIC ART. REVIEW AMENDMENTS TO THE SEA COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH YOU HEARD LAST LAST MEETING. REVIEW AND RECOMMEND PROGRAMS, PROJECTS PLANS AND, UH, GRANT APPLICATIONS TO IMPLEMENT THE C R A PLAN. REVIEW APPLICATIONS FOR PUBLIC ART REVIEW APPLICATIONS FOR URBAN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WITHIN THE C R, A CONDUCT HEARINGS AND WORKSHOPS AS MAY BE NECESSARY TO PERFORM FOR GOING DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND CRB SHALL PERFORM ANY DUTY DESCRIBED HERE IN OR ANY DUTY SPECIFICALLY ASSIGNED TO IT BY THE CITY COMMISSION, OR THE C. R ABOARD. UM THIS BOARD ALSO SERVES AS THE STUART HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. UM AND SO IF WE HAVE ANY ITEMS, UM FOR TO CONSIDER FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND TO APPLY, UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, UH, THIS BOARD WILL CONVENE AS CRB OPENED THE MEETING HERE. ITEMS FOR CRB AND THEN, UM, CLOSE THE MEETING AND THEN OPEN THE MEETING AS[00:40:05]
STEWART HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD TO HERE. ITEMS RELATED TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. YOU ARE GOING TO BE SEEING SOMETHING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS FOR THE WOMEN'S CLUB OF MARTIN COUNTY. UM THEY HAVE A BUILDING ON OCEAN BOULEVARD THAT THEY WANT TO PUT ON LOCAL REGISTER LIST. SO UM, THAT ITEM WILL BE HURT BY YOU AS THE STUART HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. UM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S ALSO HERE. HE'S GONNA BE CONSOLIDATING THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. CURRENTLY IT'S FOUND IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OF ORDINANCES. AND UM, HE'S JUST GOING TO, UH, COMBINE IT AND CONSOLIDATE AND MAKE IT EASILY ACCESSIBLE. SO THE BOARD MEMBERS CAN FIND IT. UM, LET ME BAGGETT, UM FLIES MORE DETAILS ON THOSE AMENDMENTS. SO I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION. WHEN WE SEE SOMEONE BROUGHT UP LAST MEETING WHAT OUR DUTIES AND REGULATIONS RESPONSIBILITIES, I GUESS WITH THE BOARD. AND I JUST BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF AMENDING. THE BY LAWS SO UM, ONE OF THE REASONS I MET WITH STAFF MET WITH THE CITY CLERK. I MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER, UM AND, UH, STARTED LOOKING AT THE CODE IN THE BYLAWS, SO BY RESOLUTION OF BYLAWS. WAS CREATED FOR THE CRB, WHICH MENTIONS SOMETHING THESE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. MAYBE NOT IN THAT IDENTICAL FORM. BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND. IT'S NOT PUBLISHED ON THE WEBSITE. NO IT'S NOT ERROR CODE. UM SO YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO ASK THIS CITY CLERK FOR A COPY OF THE BYLAWS FOR YOUR BOARD. SO UM, I MEAN, I HAD A COPY OF IT, BUT I THINK SOME OF YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE HAD A COPY OF IT. AND SO WHAT? WHAT I DID IS IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT CERTAIN PARTS OF CODE OF ORDINANCES IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THERE ARE BYLAWS AND RULES OF ADMINISTRATION KIND OF SCATTERED THROUGHOUT FOR YOUR BOARD AND THE OTHER BOARDS. AND IT'S VERY CONFUSING. SO, UM FOR INSTANCE, I FOUND STUFF. FOR THE C, R A AND CHAPTER 32. OF THE AUDIENCES. I FOUND STUFF FOR THE CRB. IN BOTH CHAPTER EIGHT AND CHAPTER TWO. SO WE'RE WHAT A. GO AHEAD AND DONE AND IT'S ATTACHED TO YOUR AGENDA. AND IT SHOULD BE SOME RED LINES. EXAMPLES OF VARIOUS CHAPTERS, SO WE GOT CHAPTER TWO. IS ALREADY LABELED BOARDS, COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS. AND THAT'S IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. BUT YOU ALSO HAD SOME DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES FOR YOUR BOARD AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND THE L P A CHAPTER EIGHT SO HE HAD TO GO TO ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLACES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES WERE IN HOW TO RUN YOUR MEETING. SO UM, NOT TO MENTION THE BYLAWS THAT AREN'T ONLINE. SO THESE OTHER AREAS IN THE CODES YOU CAN FIND THESE RULES, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO GO LOOKING FOR HIM. SO WHAT I DID IS I TRIED TO CONSOLIDATE ALL THE BOARDS YOUR BOARDS IN THE OTHER PORTS, THE ADVISORY BOARDS IN THE CITY. YOU KNOW, PUTTING THEM IN CHAPTER TWO. SO HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT? I KNOW IT WAS SAID AMENDED YESTERDAY. UM AND A TRACK CHANGES SO YOU CAN SEE THEM. BUT BASICALLY STARTING OFF AND, UH, IN CHAPTER TWO. I HAVE SECTIONS 2-82 THROUGH TWO DASH. 87 AND THOSE VARIOUS SECTIONS ARE GENERAL RULES. GENERAL DUTIES THAT APPLY TO ALL THE BOARDS BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF SIMILARITIES. BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME UNIQUENESS ONCE THE BOARDS SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, WE KIND OF PUT YOU KNOW THE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER APPLIED ALL THE BOARDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IS IN GENERAL. UM THAT I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR YOUR BOARD. THAT'S KIND OF GENERAL OR PUT THAT IN THE GENERAL SECTION.MOST OF THE MEETINGS ARE TAKING PLACE HERE IN CHAMBERS, SO THAT'S PUT IN THERE.
QUALIFICATIONS FOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARDS. WE WANTED TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT FOR ALL OF THEM.
THAT'S IN THE GENERAL SECTION. WE ALSO HAVE LIKE, IN ADDITION TO ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, WE HAVE VOTING REQUIREMENTS. I'VE GOT IN HERE. SOME DECOR, UM, HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE QUORUM. SO WE'RE PUT SOME RULES OF DECORUM WHERE THE CHAIR HAS CONTROL OF THE MEANING AND OTHER MEMBERS WILL NEED TO REQUEST PERMISSION TO SPEAK. INSTEAD OF TALKING OVER EACH OTHER AND STUFF. UM.
ALSO TALKING ABOUT QUASI JUDICIAL RULES AND STARTING THE CHAPTER 11 OR BARCODE. AND, UM THE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS. APART IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT THEY COULD APPLY TO STUFF IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES SO RECITING TO THAT. AS FAR AS VACANCIES AND REPLACEMENT AND
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REMOVAL OF BOARD MEMBERS. UM WE'VE GOT A GENERAL SECTION FOR THAT. AND THEN I WE HAVE THE STUART INDEPENDENT REVIEW BOARD, WHICH OBVIOUSLY NOT APPLICABLE TO YOU. THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.UM THESE THESE OTHER BOARDS, WE HAD INDIVIDUAL RULES THAT APPLY TO THEM. UM AND WE'RE ALSO PUTTING EVERYTHING LIKE I SAID IN CHAPTER TWO UM YOUR PARTICULAR BOARD. STARTS OFF IN SECTION 2-105. AND GOES THROUGH 2-108 AND INCORPORATED. DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES THAT YOU SEE UP HERE. I'VE CLEANED UP BECAUSE EVEN IN SOME OF THE BYLAWS, A KIND OF VERY LITTLE BIT TO WHAT'S IN CHAPTER EIGHT OF THE CODE, SO WE'VE MADE HIM CONSISTENT, AND WE'RE WHAT YOU SEE UP HERE IS PRETTY PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE DRAFTED IN THE AMENDMENT METADATA FOR CHAPTER TWO. UM. WE ARE A ALSO IS GOING TO BE CONTAINED IN CHAPTER TWO. SO WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL RULES FOR THE SIERRA. AND, UM HELP A AS WELL. AND HE STEWART HISTORICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS WELL. WE PUT EVERYTHING LIKE I SAID IN CHAPTER TWO WE'VE REMOVED IT.
THERE'S SOME RED LINES FROM CHAPTER EIGHT THAT WERE ALSO ATTACHED. WE PUT WHEN WE'RE AMENDING ABOUT REMOVING IT, PUTTING IT IN CHAPTER TWO. AND I THINK THAT WOULD HELP. UM YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS LAST TIME NOW EVERYBODY'S BYLAWS. ALL THE RULES OF ADMINISTRATION. YOU CAN SEARCH ON THE CODE IN CHAPTER TWO, AND EVERYBODY CAN SEE HIM PRETTY EASILY. IT'S NOT LIKE A HASSLE TO TRY AND GET YOUR BYLAWS. AND IT CAN BE UPDATED.
WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE IT TO THE COMMISSION FOR YOUR FOR YOUR BYLAWS IF YOU WANTED TO ADD OR CHANGE OR REVISE SOMETHING, WE WOULD JUST DO A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION, AND IT COULD BE ADOPTED INTO THE CODE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR WEEKS. SO YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE IT WON'T BE IN CHAPTER EIGHT AT ALL ANYMORE. COMPLETELY REMOVED FROM CHAPTER EIGHT AND EVERYTHING WILL BE FOUND AND CHAPTER TWO STEP WHAT YOU HAD IN MIND, RIGHT? SO YOU HAD SOME FOR THIS STUART REDEVELOPMENT BOARD. IT'S SECTION 8.00 0.04. AND IT HAS SOME MEMBERSHIP. UM. RULES AND IT HAD DUTIES POWERS AND DUTIES. THEY CALL THEM AND DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, AND THEY HAVE SOME OF THESE BUT THEN YOU GO IN THE BYLAWS, AND THEY HAVE A FEW EXTRA SO YOU KNOW, IN NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME LANGUAGE, SO HE MUST HAVE BEEN DRAFTED AT DIFFERENT TIMES. UM AND SO WE'RE JUST ADDING EVERYTHING IN THE CHAPTER TWO IN ONE PLACE AND ONE PLACE. YOU'RE GONNA TALK CONFUSING. IT'S LESS CONFUSING. YEAH, YEAH, IN THE PUBLIC EVERYBODY, INCLUDING ALL CONSIDERED FIND VERY EASILY. AND WHAT ABOUT THE L D. R S? WELL THAT IS CHAPTER EIGHT. CHAPTER EIGHT. CHAPTER EIGHT IN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS WHERE SOME OF THE DUTIES IN RESPONSES LOOK ABILITIES WERE LIKE I SAID, YOU YOU ALSO HAVE BYLAWS THAT WERE THEY WERE ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE CITY CLERK TO GET A COPY OF THEM. THEY'RE NOT POSTED ON THOSE BYLAWS WILL BE CONTAINED. WHERE? IN CHAPTER TWO OF THE CODE SO EVERY THE LPS WILL BE IN CHAPTER TWO. OKAY CORRECT ALL THE ADVISORY BOARDS. INCLUDING CR A ALL OF THEIR BYLAWS AND RULES OF ADMINISTRATION WILL BE CONSOLIDATED AND CHAPTER TO ANYBODY WILL BE ABLE TO FIND HIM THERE. THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THIS DOESN'T COME TO US. IT GOES RIGHT TO THE COMMISSION. CORRECT WELL, I MEAN, TECHNICALLY, THIS WE COULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, COMMENDATIONS. IF YOU AGREE WITH ME, OR YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, UM, I'M TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE BECAUSE THERE SEEMED TO BE SOME CONFUSING. YOU KNOW, I STARTED HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO. AND I'M LIKE WHAT? WHY IS IT CHUNK HERE? CHUNKS OVER HERE AND GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO DO IN MY LIFE. I'VE BEEN WANTING TO DO THIS FOR YEARS, SO I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM. SO WE JUST STARTED CONSOLIDATING AND I'VE MET WITH CITY CLERK AND CITY MANAGER, PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX TIMES. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A MOTION? WELL OBVIOUSLY, YES, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL UM GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU WANT INCLUDED, OR MODIFICATIONS AND CONSOLIDATION THAT YOU'RE DOING.
IS THAT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE PUBLICLY ONLINE? ONCE IT ONCE IT'S APPROVED RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT APPROVED ITS DRAFT. SO UM, WE'RE BRINGING IT TO YOU GOT TO BRING IT TO THE L P A. UM, AND THEN IT'LL YOU KNOW, GO BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION, OKAY? SO UNLESS IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. I'LL GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND ADD SOME STUFF. REMOVE SOME STUFF, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY CHANGE A LOT. I'M JUST CONSOLIDATING EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE. SO THAT'S EASILY YOU CAN FIND IT. WE'RE WE'RE BASICALLY STRICTLY ADVISORY, RIGHT? I MEAN , BUT WHAT ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE THAT'S WHAT WAS GOING TO ASK YOU? I THINK IT'S THE PUBLIC ART
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SITUATION AND ALSO THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION. AND IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? UM, WAS IT? WITH ONE OTHER AREA. I THINK MINOR CONDITIONAL USE IN SOME INSTANCES YOU ARE PUBLIC ART RIGHT PUBLIC, OKAY? YEAH BUT ALL RIGHT, SO THERE WAS AN ARCHITECTURAL LONGER APART AND IT'S STILL IN THE CODE, AND I REMOVED THAT BECAUSE, MIKE SAID IN 2008 OR 2007 TIMEFRAME, YOU GUYS HAD A COLOR WHEEL. THAT WOULD COME. YES. AND SO IT'S STILL IN THE CODE. BUT I'M REMOVING THAT PART OF IT. BECAUSE THAT OUT OF THE COAST, RIGHT THE AND THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE I FOUND IN THERE IT WOULD BE CITING TO STUFF ELSEWHERE IN THE CODE, BUT IT'S EXCITING TO THE WRONG SECTION BECAUSE IT MUST HAVE BEEN SO I HAD TO MAKE A LOT OF CHANGES LIKE THAT. UM IN THESE CHANGES, NOT NECESSARILY ONE ON YOUR BOARD, BUT THE OTHERS AS WELL. UM AND THEN IT COULD BE A FULL TIME JOB. TRYING TO UPDATE THE CODE. YOU KNOW, I USED TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF PORT ST LUCIE AND THEIR LEGAL DEPARTMENT. WE HAD A FULL TIME LAWYER. THAT'S ALL HE DID WAS UPDATING THE CODE, SO CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. SO WHERE IT SAYS REVIEW APPLICATIONS PERTAINING THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND DOWN BELOW REVIEW APPLICATIONS FOR PUBLIC ART. IS THE IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ACTUALLY REVIEW THEM, BUT WE ALSO APPROVED THEM. AND THOSE ARE THE TWO AREAS THAT WERE NOT JUST IN A RECOMMENDATION. UH, YEAH, OKAY. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS ADVISORY POSITION ANYBODY ELSE? FRANK JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU, SIR. VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. WELL SO SORRY. YOU WANT A MOTION? TO APPROVE THESE CHANGES. YOU DON'T CARE. WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT? JUST IF FEEDBACK BECAUSE THERE'S NO RESIDENTS RECOMMEND. THIS IS AN ADVISER OF ALSO IF YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR IMPORTANT APPROVAL. RECOMMENDATIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE FOR APPROVAL. BUT IT WILL BE VERY CLEAR TO ALL OF US WHERE IT IS. AND THEN YOU COULD JUST SAY WHEN WE ASK A STUPID QUESTION. LOOK AT CHAPTER TWO. OKAY SO IT IF THERE WERE A LOT OF ATTACHMENTS, AND THAT'S WHAT'S CONFUSING. I FOUND THE STUFF IN FOUR DIFFERENT PLACES. THREE OF THEM WERE ONLINE IN IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND CODE WARNING. CITIZEN IN ONE WAS NOT EVEN IN EITHER OF EITHER OF THOSE AREAS SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE ATTACHMENT FOR CHAPTER TWO AND RED LINE, THAT'S HOW YOUR RULES YOUR BYLAWS, RULES OF ADMINISTRATION AND BE SO DO YOU NOT TO NITPICK THIS POINT, BUT ON THOSE TWO ITEMS SHOULD IT SAY REVIEW APPLICATIONS FOR PUBLIC ART AND APPROVE OR SHOULD THERE BE SOMETHING MORE ELABORATED ABOUT? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF WE ACTUALLY ARE VOTING ON THOSE THINGS WE HAVE A SAME BEYOND THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT NORMALLY WOULDN'T SAY APPROVED, BUT MAYBE FOR CONSIDERATION OR WHATEVER THE TERM WE USE SO THAT IT DOESN'T FORCE US TO HAVE TO APPROVE IT. IF AH, YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. IT SHOULD AT LEAST MAKE THAT CLEAR. UM IT DOES SAVE REVIEW KIND OF SUMMARIZED IT, BUT IT DOES SAY REVIEW HERE AND APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS FOR PUBLIC ART. I'M SORRY. MINE IS JUST A SUMMARY HERE. I WAS LOOKING AT MY LANGUAGE AS WELL.SO AGAIN IF YOU LOOK AT CHAPTER TWO THAT FIRST MIGHT NOT BE IDENTICAL TO WHAT I'VE DRAFTED, OKAY? SHE MIGHT HAVE TAKEN WHAT'S ALREADY IN THERE CURRENTLY. NO, THIS AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I ENDED UP READING A LOT OF DOCUMENTS RELATIVE TO CONDOS AND A AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND THEN THERE'S A HIERARCHY AND ALL OF THAT IS THERE A HIERARCHY AND IN THIS AND IS, UM ARE WE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT , YOU KNOW THAT WE DON'T SAY SOMETHING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE BYLAWS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BYLAWS RELATED TO THE YOU KNOW, TO THE CODE IN TERMS OF SECTION TWO. HAVE WE HAVE WE INCREASED OR DECREASED ANY? UM, ANY OF OUR YOU KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR DOCUMENTS TO OR ARE WE STRICTLY REFERENCING THEM BACK AND FORTH? FROM THAT STANDPOINT, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY SAYS WELL OVER HERE, IT SAYS THIS BUT IN YOUR BYLAWS, IT SAYS THIS WELL. ONE OF THE REASONS I'M TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE CURRENTLY IN CHAPTER EIGHT, YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE ON THERE AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THEM IN YOUR BYLAWS. SO AND I FOUND ONE THAT WAS IN THE BYLAWS. IT'S NOT IN CHAPTER EIGHT IN THE CODE. SO OUR BYLAWS JUST GONNA JUST SAYING REFERENCES THAT SECTION THAT'S IT. OR WILL THERE BE ANYTHING? I MEAN? I KNOW WE HAVE TO HAVE BYLAWS, OR ARE THERE GONNA BE ANYTHING IS WILL THERE BE ANYTHING ELSE IN THE BYLAWS? OR WILL IT JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THE BYLAWS ARE AS IN STATED SECTION I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, OR OKAY, UM SO EVERYTHING WILL BE IN THE CODE. SO AS I MENTIONED, THERE WILL BE A GENERAL SECTION FOR SUBSECTIONS. UM, THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO ALL THE BOARDS.
LIKE I SAID, YOU HAVE ME AS A LAWYER AT ALL THE BOARDS. CITY MANAGER SO PROVIDE CLERICAL
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SUPPORT. THAT WILL BE GENERAL. BUT THEN ONCE YOU GET TO THE SPECIFIC BOARDS, INCLUDING CRB UM, THAT'S WHERE THE BYLAWS INDIVIDUAL BYLAWS ARE THAT ESPECIALLY WITH THESE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE LISTED ON THEM, NOT NECESSARILY IN THIS LANGUAGE, EXACT LANGUAGE BECAUSE I GUESS YOU DIDN'T USE MY LANGUAGE. BUT BUT UM LIKE I SAID, I I'M TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE IT. YOU'RE SAYING WELL, SO IT DOESN'T SAY SOMETHING HERE AND HERE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IT IN ONE SPOT IN ONE PLACE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING OUT, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TAKING OUT BECAUSE IN SOME OF THE BYLAWS IN SOME OF IN CHAPTER EIGHT. THEY WERE THEY WERE REFERRING YOU TO ANOTHER SECTION OF THE CODE AND I GO TO THAT CODE. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SEX OR TWO OFF, SO THEY MUST HAVE MOVED 10 YEARS AGO OR 20 YEARS AGO, SO I KIND OF DUMBED IT DOWN AND NOT DECIDED TO SPECIFIC SECTIONS I MIGHT CITE TO A CHAPTER IN THE CODE. UH, THAT'S SOME OTHER CHANGES I'VE MADE SO THAT IF IT DOES VARY, IT DOESN'T THAT MESSAGE UP. BUT I'M TRYING TO AVOID YOUR YOUR DILEMMA THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP BY PUTTING IT ALL IN ONE SPOT. THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY, IF YOU DO GO INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE I MEAN, THERE ARE SECTIONS THAT TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THE PROCESS OF HOW IT GETS TO YOU. SO THERE'S OTHER PARTS OF THE CODE. BESIDES, IN THE BYLAWS IN THE RULES OF ADMINISTRATION THAT WOULD APPLY TO YOU, BUT HOW DID THEY GET TO YOU? FOR THE PROCESS GOING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO GET TO YOU, YOU KNOW? STEP BY STEP PROCESS, SO THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT YOU MENTIONED YOU, BUDDY. OKAY? THANKS THANKS. YOU DON'T NEED A MOTION OR ANYTHING. YOU'VE GOTTEN YOUR FEEDBACK, RIGHT? TO READ. I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION FOR YOU KNOW, I GUESS OR MAYBE CHRIS, TOO. AND THAT QUESTION IS UM, MY QUESTION IS.YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING ALL THIS STUFF WITH AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME CHANGES THAT ARE BEING MADE TO, UH WHAT DEVELOPERS CAN AND CAN'T DO RELATIVE TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS THEY CAN BUILD. AND UH YOU KNOW, PARKING DENSITY AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS UM AND I KNOW THAT WE FOCUSED THERE ON INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL ZONING ON THAT, UM, IS WHERE THAT THE NEW BILL APPLIES. UM. THE HALF UNIT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT AND YOU KNOW THE EXTRA DENSITY THAT THE STATE SAYS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER AND ALL THAT, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT NOW, THE LEGISLATURES MAKING SOME CHANGES , AND I THINK THE COMMISSION WENT OVER THOSE, BUT BUT MY QUESTION, THOUGH, IS HOW. DOES I'VE NEVER HEARD OF DISCUSSION OF HOW THE URBAN CODE. OR THE URBAN ZONING. UH IS IMPACTED BY THAT IF AT ALL. AND WHY WASN'T IT IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU CAN BUILD RESIDENTIAL ON COMMERCIAL AS LONG AS YOU PROVIDE SO MANY OF WORKFORCE HOUSING DOES THAT APPLY WITHIN THE URBAN DISTRICT? RIGHT NOW. THE U P U D APPLIES TO THE URBAN DISTRICTS. THE U P U D BUT I'M SAYING, THAT'S HOW YOU GET THAT ADDITIONAL DENSITIES, OKAY? ALRIGHT CAN THEY DO THAT? WITHIN THE URBAN CODE? CAN CAN THEY PROPOSE THAT? YEAH I'M JUST YEAH, YEAH. THE URBAN CODE IS CONSIDERED A MIXED USE. ZONING DISTRICT, SO THEREFORE IT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS A PROPERTY THAT SOMEBODY WAS LOOKING AT RIGHT THROUGH. THEY NEVER SUBMITTED BUT OKAY IN DISTRICT, SO IT ALLOWS THEM COMMERCIAL. INDUSTRIAL AND MIXED USE SO WHEN. WHEN THE CITY MANAGER TALKED ABOUT AS ATTORNEY TALKED ABOUT THE THERE'S LIMITED AMOUNTS OF PROPERTIES THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE DEVELOPED. IS HE CONSIDERING THE URBAN DISTRICT AND SOME OF THE AREAS THERE THAT COULD BE CONVERTED. UNDER THIS, I MEAN PARKING LOTS AND OTHER BUILDINGS THAT COULD BE CONVERTED IS THAT INCLUDED IN THAT OR DO WE STILL HAVE THAT EXPOSURE? AND IF WE DO HAVE THAT EXPOSURE SHOULD WE AS A COMMITTEE? BE REQUESTING THAT SOMEBODY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TO SEE IF THERE'S LIMITATIONS THAT NEED TO BE PUT ON THAT URBAN CODE. TO RESTRICT THAT, OR MAYBE EVEN THE ZONING IN TOTAL. I THINK THAT WERE PREEMPTED BY THE STATE'S STATUTE, THOUGH, AND IT WE CAN'T PUT RESTRICTIONS ON OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WOULD THAT WOULD RESTRICT THAT STATE STATUTE REQUIREMENT ALLOWANCE WELL, BUT THAT IF LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD DO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, LET'S SAY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THIS URBAN DISTRICT RIGHT, WHICH IS CONSIDERED TO BE MIXED USE, AND WE DECIDED TO CHANGE IT TO RESIDENTIAL RIGHT. WELL THEN. YOU KNOW, THEN THE
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LIVE LOCAL MIGHT NOT APPLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL OR MIXED USE, OR INDUSTRIAL ENTITLED. YEAH ONLY YOU MEAN OR NO, IN ACTUAL USE IS ALLOWED HYPOTHETICALLY. SOMETHING LIKE WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS WHAT YOU'RE GETTING OUT OF TOWN QUESTION. SURE IF YOU CHANGE SOMEONE'S ZONING. FROM SAYING COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL CAN YOU DO THAT? OR DO THEY KEEP THAT ZONING AS COMMERCIAL BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING AWAY PART OF THEIR PROPERTY, RIGHT? UPON THE DEVELOPMENT OF A LIVE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT. THE ZONING IS RETAINED, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I THINK WITH THE BILL IS IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE A PROJECT ON A COMMERCIAL, HIS OWN PROPERTY THAT COMMERCIAL ZONING IS STILL THERE. NOW YOU HAVE IN 30 YEARS WHEN THE STATE'S STATUTE RUNS OUT. DO YOU HAVE A NONCONFORMING USE BECAUSE IT'S A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. AND THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE PROBLEMS AND I GUESS PARTLY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING, BUT PARTLY WHAT I WAS ASKING IS WE'VE KIND OF BEEN LED TO BELIEVE THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH RISK FOR MORE OF THESE BIG APARTMENT BUILDINGS NOW BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE LEFT TO PUT THEM. BUT THEN I'M LOOKING AT A LOT. THAT'S HALF AN ACRE THAT IF THE URBAN ZONING WOULD ALLOW THE LIVE LOCAL ACT TO COME INTO PLAY, THEN THEORETICALLY THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED AND THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY IN THE INFILL. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INFIELD BUILDING. THERE ARE PROPERTIES HERE WHERE A DEVELOPER MIGHT COME IN, AND NOT ONLY NOT INFILL, BUT DESTROY WHAT'S THERE AND JUST USE IT BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER. I MEAN, YOU BUY YOU BUY A PROPERTY ON, UM, LET'S TAKE I HAVE AN OFFICE BUILDING RIGHT? IT'S WORTH 3.5 MILLION. LET'S SAY UM A TEAR THAT BUILDING DOWN AND PUT UP BETWEEN AND PUT UP. YOU KNOW, 50 APARTMENTS ARE 50 APARTMENTS. WELL, I GOT THE PART PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS A HALF ACRE, SO THEY'RE CONNECTED. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THERE'S SOME OF THOSE. I'M JUST USING MINE AS AN EXAMPLE, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS OUT THERE THAT I'M AFRAID THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT, AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THEIR DEVELOPERS OUT THERE THAT ARE THINKING ABOUT IT . AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT. AND IF THERE'S CHANGES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE TO THE URBAN CODE THAT WOULD PROTECT US FURTHER FROM SOME OF THOSE THINGS HAPPENING, COMMENT. UM. WE CAN. WE CAN OBVIOUSLY LOOK AT IT. I YOU'RE ASKING INTERESTING QUESTIONS. I HAVE TO RESEARCH TO GET AN ANSWER FROM ME. UNDERSTAND? UM.CHRIS HAS AN ANSWER ALREADY. HE'S HE'S GIVEN AN OPINION, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED SOME STUFF GOING ON LEGISLATIVELY. AND YOU KNOW, WE JUST DID A RESOLUTION WITH THE CITY COMMISSION TO SUPPORT UM, AN AMENDMENT. OR A BILL CURRENTLY DEPENDING EITHER, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IT WAS A HOUSE BILL OR SENATE BILL OFF HAND AT THE MOMENT. UM, BUT BECAUSE OF OUR AIRPORT IT WOULD EXEMPT MOST OF THE CITY FROM THE RIGHT AND LET'S HOPE THAT GOES THROUGH AND THEN IT WOULDN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR WHAT YOUR CONCERN IS, BECAUSE LIVE LOOK LIKE IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO US FOR MOST OF THE CITY. RIGHT. I THINK IT'S 10,000. FEET FROM A RUNWAY. AND I'M ME AND MY FORETELLING. THE CITY MANAGER SAT NOT WE DID THE YOU KNOW THE PERIMETER, AND IT KNOCKS OUT MOST OF THE CITY. YEAH, AND MAYBE DOWNTOWN, RIGHT? AND BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THAT HALF UNIT ZONING THAT WE HAVE, MAYBE MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T EVEN NEED TO USE THAT BECAUSE THEY CAN BUILD ENOUGH OF THEM WITH WHAT WE GOT. I MEAN, I THINK YOU CAN GET 30 UNITS ON BEHALF ISN'T ON A HALF ACRE 30 MINUTES ON AN ACRE, REMEMBER? REMEMBER THE MINIMUM 33 ACRE MAXIMUM. AND YOU'VE GOT TO PARK IT. AND BUFFERS EXCEPT FOR MY INTENSITY. OKAY? WELL, THANKS. I JUST I JUST WAS CURIOUS. I HAD YOU KNOW HIM DOESN'T PASS. WE SHOULD. YEAH LET ME TAKE A LOOK AT IT, DISCUSS IT. AND IF THEY DECIDE TO MOVE THE AIRPORT, REMEMBER WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AT ONE POINT THEY TALKED ABOUT MOVING THE AIRPORT OUT WEST. SO YOU KNOW, I NEVER KNOW WHAT ANYWAYS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE ONE COMMENT REGARDING THE PRESCRIPTION SHOP BUILDING. THEY WERE FUNDED THROUGH THE BIRD PROGRAM LAST, SO, OKAY, SO I THINK THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF CARE. RIGHT? GREAT. THANKS. RIGHT IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, SO MOVED WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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