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OH YOU READY? OK? BEFORE WE START. YES. THIS IS MARK. RIGHT? AND NOT OVER. THERE IS FRANK.
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FRANK. HEY, NOW, HOW YOU DOING? GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? OK? OH, IT'S 401 LET ME CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 10. PENNY. YEAH. VICE CHAIR, BRECK. HERE OUR MEMBER KOBUS BOARD OF MEMBER HAWKINS. LORD MEMBER NOBLE. BOARD MEMBER MOSER BOARD MEMBER MCCHRYSTAL. HERE. OK, LET'S RISE FOR THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD. THE WHOLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SWEAR IN OUR NEWEST MEMBER? OF COURSE. FOR THE RECORD. LEE BAGGOTT CITY[Additional Item]
ATTORNEY KOBUS CO CO RIGHT HAND. UH DO YOU HAVE THE OATH IN FRONT OF YOU? I DO NOT. NO. WE HAVE AN EXTRA COPY. EASIER TO FOLLOW ALONG. SURE. GREAT. THANK YOU. SO IF YOU'LL, UH REPEAT AFTER ME. I STATE YOUR NAME I DR ANITA KOKO AM QUALIFIED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION LAWS OF FLORIDA AND THE CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AND QUALIFIED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION , LAWS OF FLORIDA AND THE CODE OF ORDINANCE IN THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA TO SERVE AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD TO SERVE AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD, AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY PERFORM THE DUTIES OF AN ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER. AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY PERFORM THE DUTIES OF AN ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER ON WHICH I AM ABOUT TO ENTER, SO HELP ME GOD ON WHICH I AM ABOUT TO ENTER, SO HELP ME GOD. THANK YOU. OK, CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. THIS IS LIKE YOUR THIRD BOARD, ISN'T IT? SECOND SECOND FOR THE CITY. UH, CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? SOME OF I GOT A 2ND 2ND WE HAVE[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
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MINUTES. IT WAS MARK YOUR YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE. YES, I GOT A 2ND 2ND. SECONDED BY ANDY ONE FAVOR. ALL RIGHT. OK CHAIR. CAN WE JUST, UH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ANDY NOBLE ARRIVED AT 4:01 P.M. HE WAS SO SILENT ABOUT TO MENTION THAT OK, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.MILTON, ARE YOU PUBLIC? COMMENTS BY BOARD MEMBERS. NON AGENDA ITEMS OK, NONE OF THAT. AARON LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT A IT HAS ARRIVED. MHM. OK? AND NOW YOU WANT TO TAKE IT. SURE UM, SO
[3. DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION OF LANDSCAPE CODE REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED IN SECTION 6.04.00 OF THE CITY OF STUART LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.]
THIS IS THE D AND D ITEM DISCUSSION DELIBERATION. THIS WAS ACTUALLY REQUESTED BY THE CRB BOARD TO BRING FORWARD THE LANDSCAPE CODE FOR DISCUSSION. UM IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE, UM WE'VE AMENDED THIS CODE, SO IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO START REVISITING AND LOOKING AT THE CODE. UH WE DID ASK THE BOARD, UM, TO PROVIDE YOUR COMMENTS. UH, PRIOR TO THE MEETING, I DID SEND OUT AN EMAIL AS A REMINDER. UM, SO THAT WAY WE HAVE THIS COMMENTS AHEAD OF TIMES THE STAFF CAN BE BETTER PREPARED TO RESPOND. I DID GET COMMENT FROM NICK SCHROTH, WHO IS NO LONGER ON THE BOARD AND BONNIE MOSER SO WE CAN GO THROUGH SOME OF HER COMMENTS ALSO, AND, UM AND THEN IF THERE A RE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE BOARD AND, UH, ALSO RECOMMENDATION ON IF WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH AMENDING THE CODE, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION, UH, REQUESTING THEM, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AMENDMENT PROCESS. UH I HAVE CHRIS HERE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM. UM, THEY REGULARLY USE THE LANDSCAPE CODE. SO, UM, HE'S MORE FAMILIAR WITH, UM THE CODE REQUIREMENTS. UM SO HE'S HERE TO HELP IN YOUR ASSIST ME, UH, WITH THE PROCESS. UM SO WE CAN YOU READ THIS? THE COMMENTS WERE PROVIDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE. UM, LET ME SEE IF I CAN ENLARGE IT. SO THE FIRST COMMENT THAT WE[00:05:08]
RECEIVED FROM NICK, UH, WAS TO CREATE SOME SORT OF MECHANISM WHEREBY THE HEALTH OF THE SITE LANDSCAPING ETCETERA IS MORE THAN JUST THE PLAN, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE MITIGATION WAS 100 INCHES , AND THE REPLACEMENT WAS 250 INCHES AS LONG AS THE INCHES ARE THERE, UH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN DOESN'T NEED TO BE STRICTLY ADHERED TO SO LONG. AS THE INCHES ARE THERE UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE BOARD HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS, UM TYPICALLY, UM THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS PROVIDED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, SO THE CITY COMMISSION. UM DOES REVIEW IT AND APPROVE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. SO IF THEY WANT TO, UM, DEVIATE FROM THE PLAN, IT COULD GO THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL PROCESS WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, UM COULD REVIEW IT AND IT WOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. DEPENDING ON YOU KNOW THE TYPE OF CHANGES THEY'RE MAKING TO THE PLAN, OR IT WOULD NEED TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD AS A MINOR OR MAJOR AMENDMENT. UM SO DO YOU THINK THAT, UM IF THEY ARE DEVIATING FROM THE LANDSCAPE CODE, UM, THAT AS LONG AS THEY'RE REPLACING IT ON SITE, UM DO YOU THINK, UM, THAT IT SHOULDN'T MATTER. UH BUT KEEP IN MIND WHEN THERE'S A BUFFER. YOU KNOW, YOU DO WANT THEM TO PUT IT BACK WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO, SO IT WILL DEPEND ON CASE BY CASE BASIS. FRANK, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? AS ERIC CALLS CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT, UH WHAT WE SEE WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT PRETTY MUCH CLEAR. CUT EVERYTHING AND THEN SAY OOPS. AND THEN THEY FILE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING INTO A SMALL SPACE AROUND THE OUTSIDE. PROVIDES COVER FOR THE DEVELOPMENT LAW. IT'S BEING DEVELOPED KIND OF QUIETS THE PUBLIC FOR A WHILE. BUT WHAT YOU WHAT YOU END UP WITH IS A BUNCH OF TREES THAT ARE PLANTED TOO CLOSE TOGETHER. FIGHTING EACH OTHER FOR EVERYTHING. AND UNHEALTHY TREES. BUT IN THE END THE CODE WORKS BECAUSE UH, AGAIN, THOSE INCHES ARE ABOUT CIRCUMFERENCE AROUND. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH CIRCUMFERENCE IS IN THE TRUNK? IN THE END, I GUESS THE, UH SOME TREES SHADE OUT THE OTHERS, BUT A LONG DECADE LONG PROCESS OF UGLINESS. AND BASICALLY AS FAR AS MAKING A COMMUNITY. LIVABLE AND HAVING SHADE TREES ALL THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE JUST GETTING AS MUCH SPACE TO BUILD ON AS POSSIBLE AND USE AND GETTING GETTING THROUGH THE CODE BY BY DOING WHAT WE WHAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW. AND, UH HE WAS HE WAS A HE? HE AGREED. NICK AGREED THAT, UH, YOU CAN. YOU CAN LOOK AT WELL. 11. GOOD EXAMPLE IS UH, A COMMUNITY NEXT TO WALMART AND BEHIND ALDI'S UM, THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHICH YOU END UP WITH SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. UM IT'S NOT GONNA GET CHANGED. I MEAN, WE CAN'T FIGHT. WE'RE NOT GONNA FIGHT AND WE'RE NOT GONNA WIN A BATTLE ON THIS. OK THAT BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT. IT. IT'S WRONG AND BUT I DON'T SEE US CHANGING IT. PARTY. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.BUT I DO WANT TO SAY I. I HAVE A MASTER'S IN ARCHITECTURE. SOMETIMES THE STRATEGY FOR THAT OVER PLANTING IS TO PROVIDE THE IMMEDIATE BUFFER. UM AND I MADE A COMMENT ABOUT IT. UM FURTHER DOWN, BUT, UM THE IDEA THERE IS THAT DOWN THE ROAD. MAYBE YOU WOULD CALL SOME OF THOSE TREES.
UM BUT THEY LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A STRATEGY TO IT THE SAME WITH WHATEVER YOU'RE PLANTING UNDERNEATH, RIGHT? BECAUSE WHEN YOU INITIALLY PLANT UNDERNEATH YOU'RE GETTING FULL SUN, BUT IN 15 YEARS WHEN THESE TREES GROW, YOU NEED NEW UNDERCOVER AND THAT WAS NICK'S POINT THAT THAT ONCE YOU KNOW, ONCE IT'S DONE, NOBODY REALLY THINKS THAT WAY AND GOES BACK AND DOES WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MAKE THEM HEALTHY. AND YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD. NOT REALLY OK? AND NEITHER DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN? NOW I HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH BONNIE ON THAT. UM YEAH. YOU WANNA DO IMMEDIATE TO GET THE SHADE AND TO GET THAT PLANTING IN THERE? UM BUT ALSO BE MINDFUL OF TREES THAT ARE GONNA HAVE BIG ROOTS THAT ARE GONNA DISRUPT, YOU KNOW. SIDEWALKS AND ROADWAYS AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO HEAR SINCE WE HAVE MILTON IN THE ROOM IF HE'S GOT ANYTHING THAT HE WANTS TO ADD, BECAUSE HES BOOTS ON THE GROUND. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION? THANKS. AARON. DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING. MARK. YEAH, I. I KIND
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OF A KIND OF SOMEWHAT AGREE WITH FRANK. UH BUT MY COMMENT RELATES TO THE FACT THAT WHO CARES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENFORCEMENT. UM YOU KNOW, WE HAD A PROJECT OUT THERE THAT CHOPPED DOWN EVERYTHING. I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A PUD THAT THAT'S PART OF THE DESIGN AND YOU DON'T DO IT. THEN YOU GOTTA GO BACK TO SQUARE ONE AND START OVER AGAIN AND WE NEED SOME SORT OF ENFORCEMENT. NO NO, IT ISN'T. BECAUSE THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW RELATIVE TO THIS THIS SITUATION ON THE SAME SIDE. IT'S THE SAME THING, IF THEY'VE BEEN TOLD TO DO SOMETHING WHETHER THEY CAN MITIGATE IT OR NOT. THAT SHOULD REQUIRE APPROVAL IN ADVANCE AND THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T DO IT AND IN MANY CASES, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT WASN'T EVEN POSSIBLE TO DO IT. SO YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE PUT IN ALL OF THIS THAT ALLOWS US TO REIN THESE THINGS IN BECAUSE WHEN THIS CAME UP BEFORE THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW A YEAR AGO OR WHENEVER IT WAS. EVERYBODY JUST SAT BACK AND SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WE CAN DO, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M UPSET ABOUT. I'M I'M JUST GONNA COMMENT ON THIS FOR THE MOMENT. AND I'M GOING TO SAY IF I. I THINK IT SHOULD COME BACK TO DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT SOMEONE THAT KNOWS A LOT MORE. CAN SAY YEAH, THIS IS THIS IS FINE OR THIS IS NOT FINE. AND IF YOU BELIEVE, AND AT SOME POINT IF YOU THINK IN DEVELOPMENT THAT IT SHOULD COME BACK TO A BOARD. OR THE COMMISSION. THEN IT SHOULD COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND THE COMMISSION. WE'RE NOT TALKING. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE ASKING ME DO I THINK WHAT HAPPENED? TWO YEARS AGO WAS FINE. THE ANSWER IS NO. BUT I AS REGARDS REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR COMMENT. I BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD COME. TO DEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER IT'S GOOD OR NOT, AND IF WHETHER IT NEEDS TO GO TO A BOARD OR NOT FOR FINAL DETERMINATION. I JUST ADD YOU MAY UM AND BUT ALL I THINK THAT YOU'RE 100% RIGHT IS THAT YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS BUFFER WAS A BUFFER. YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT WAS THERE TO MAKE THESE THINGS NOT LOOK UGLY. SO THAT AS YOU DRIVE BY, YOU SEE THIS MENS CITY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS TO IT. IT WAS TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE SOFTER AND THAT'S A BIG DEAL. IF YOU TAKE THAT OUT OF A PROJECT, I THINK SO ANYWAY. OK? DO YOU HAVE AN UP ON THAT? I HOPE ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO BONNIE'S COMMENTS. UM FIRST ONE IS SOME SPECIES LISTED IN THE SHADE TREE SECTION ARE NOT ACTUALLY CONSIDERED TO HAVE A SHADE CANOPY. EITHER THEIR SHADE OR SIZE OF VARIETIES WOULDN'T BE EFFECTIVE. AMERICAN HOLLY DOWN. HOLLY IN MONGOLIA ARE THREE THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND HAVING A LANDSCAPE. ARCHITECT REVIEW FOR POTENTIAL NEW RECOMMENDATIONS. UM WE AGREE WITH THAT COMMENT AGAIN. WE HAVE NOT AMENDED THE CODE IN A WHILE, SO IT IS TIME TO LOOK A DIFFERENT TYPE OF TREES THAT WE SHOULD ADD, UM AS A AS SHADE TREES ON OUR LIST. UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT INSTEAD OF ME GOING AROUND IS ANYONE HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT AND STAFF WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. IN THE COAT. OK? UH, NO. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. SO I THINK YOU KNOW I WILL. LET BONNIE TAKE THE LEAD ON STUFF LIKE THIS SINCE THAT'S WHERE HER DEGREE IS, SO I THINK SHE COULD GUIDE US VERY WELL. DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING TO ME? I AGREE WITH YOU. UH NEXT. ONE QUESTION IS, UM, WHO IS ENFORCING THE TWO YEAR SURVIVAL REQUIREMENT. ARE THERE ANY REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENTS TO HAVE A LONG TERM LANDSCAPE MANAGEMENT PLAN? I ASKED BECAUSE SOMETIMES TREE PLANTS ARE DESIGNED TO PROVIDE IMMEDIATE SHADE WITH MASS PLANTING AND THEN INTENDED TO BE PROVEN THIN AS PLANTINGS MATURE. RESPOND TO THAT. I KNOW. UM IT HAS TO DO WITH A RESOURCES. UH, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO, UM MANAGE THE LANDSCAPE PLANS THAT GET APPROVED. UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT DEVELOPMENT TEAM WOULD BE LOOKING A T HIRING ADDITIONAL STAFF TO HELP. UM HELP MEET THIS REQUIREMENT. I MEAN, YEAH. I MEAN, I I'M NOT THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR CHRIS MCCRAE FOR THE RECORD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. UM, BUT OUR DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR IS LOOKING AT STAFFING A POSITION THAT WOULD BE LIKE A COMPLIANCE OFFICER. THAT COULD KEEP TRACK OF SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR LANDSCAPING AND DIFFERENT VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO UM, BUT, YES, THE FUNDING IS IT'S TOUGH, SO WE'RE LOOKING INTO THAT, UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE A CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. DO WE HAVE,[00:15:04]
UM, ANYBODY CONTRACTED YOU DO? YEAH, WE, UH USE I BELIEVE EW, UH, IS ONE OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS. WE ALSO USE KIM LE HORN. UM MM. TO REVIEW MOST OF THE BIGGER LANDSCAPE PLANS. UM SOME OF THE MINOR DEVELOPMENT PLANS. WE REVIEW THOSE INTERNALLY. BUT THEY THEY DON'T ENFORCE ANYTHING. THEY REVIEW THE PLAN AND SAY TO OUR BOARD OR THE COMMISSION. THIS IS A GOOD PLAN. THIS MEETS WITH THE REQUIREMENTS, THE CONSULTANT WOULD RECEIVE THE PLANS REVIEW THEM AND THEN BASED ON THE PLANS , THEY WOULD PROVIDE US COMMENTS. UM, SUGGESTIVE COMMENTS. YOU KNOW ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, UH, PER OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. UM AND THEN WE WOULD GIVE THOSE TO THE APPLICANT OR THE BOARD ITSELF COULD MAKE A DEVIATION FROM THE CODE. WELL, I'M WITH MARK. I, YOU KNOW. I THINK I THINK OUR ENFORCEMENT PART. IT'S WELL.UNDER WHAT IT SHOULD BE, AND SO YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE THAT WE GO THROUGH THE STEPS TO GET SOMETHING APPROVED, BUT IF WE DON'T ENFORCE IT, THEN WHAT'S WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? SO YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY I THINK THAT I THINK A PERSON TO ENFORCE OUR CODE WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE THAT, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL. I'M TALKING ABOUT. LANDSCAPING AND OTHER LESS SERIOUS MATTERS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW PEOPLE SEE THE CITY SO WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME. LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING, AND THEN WE GET IT DONE WELL IN SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, WAS IT REALLY DONE OR TWO YEARS AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT? WE DON'T. NOBODY KNOWS. AND NOBODY CARES. SO I'M WITH MARK. COMPLETELY THAT WE NEED SOMEONE TO DO THAT. IT'S WELL WORTH THE MONEY. OTHERWISE WE SHOULD LESSEN THE CODES. SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A HARDSHIP, BUT I THINK THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT. OKAY? THANK YOU. WE AGREE. UM NEXT IS GENERALLY I WOULD RECOMMEND HAVING A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT REVIEW AND UPDATE THE CODES, PARTICULARLY TO INCORPORATE, UH L ID, LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT AND STORM WATER TREATMENT GUIDANCE AS WELL AS TO REVIEW PLANT MATERIALS. UM WE AGREE. WE NEED TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS INTO THE CODE, AND WE NEED TO REVISIT THE CODE AND UPDATE, UM, TO MEET THE CURRENT SITUATIONS, CURRENT EVENTS. UM SO THAT IS SOMETHING THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IS LOOKING AT. AND HOPEFULLY, UM THEY WILL BRING THESE COMMENTS AND THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM CITY COMMISSION. AND WORK ON AMENDMENTS. UM, HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT MONTHS. 6 TO 1 YEAR. DOES ANYONE DISAGREE WITH THAT? YEAH.
YOU THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. DID ANYONE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS REGARDING THE LANDSCAPE ? LET'S GO IN ORDER SO THAT WE DON'T GO OVER. FRANK. DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? YEAH, ONE MORE BARB ON THE, UH YOU KNOW, SCRAPE EVERYTHING AND THEN PUT THE BUFFER AROUND IT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC KIND OF CALMS DOWN A LITTLE BIT. UM ON THE WAY TO THE INDIAN TOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS A BIG INDUSTRIAL PLAZA JUST WENT IN. AND THEY DID THE SAME THING. AND WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THEY USE A TON OF, UH, THE NATIVE. UH, LONG NEEDLE PINES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO CALL THEM. BUT AND WITHIN TWO WEEKS, I'M LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS AND THEY'RE LITERALLY JUMPING OUT OF THE GROUND. THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GROWING LIKE NEW NEW GROWTH ABOUT AN INCH A DAY OR MORE. I'M THINKING. WOW. UNBELIEVABLE. WHAT ARE THEY DOING HERE? I GOT TO THINKING THEY WATER IN THE HELL OUT OF THOSE THINGS EVERY DAY. SO NOW WE'VE GOT THIS MONSTER BUFFER. THAT'S GONNA HAVE NO NO ROOTS WHATSOEVER. SO FIRST HURRICANE MAN. IT'S ALL COMING DOWN BECAUSE THOSE TREES ARE NOT NOT THROWING THE ROOF DOWN AS AS NORMAL. AND JUST ONE MORE BARB. THAT'S ALL AND ARE WE GO? SO ARE WE OFF THIS TOTALLY OR THEY'RE MORE. IS THERE MORE TO GO ON THIS TOPIC? THESE ARE THE ONLY COMMENTS THAT I RECEIVED FROM THE BOARD. UM, IT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT. I. I GOT A QUESTION FOR, UH, FOR BONNIE. UH, COUPLE ONE.
IS IT FOLKLORE OR BECAUSE EVERYONE IN THE BUSINESS IS ALWAYS TOLD ME THIS TO BE TRUE.
A PALM TREE GETS 60% OF ITS NEW GROWTH ENERGY. REABSORBING THE CHLOROPHYLL FROM THE LOWER FRONDS. THEY GET BACK INTO THE HEART. AND THAT'S ABOUT 60% OF THE NEW ENERGY OF THE TREE.
TRUE. UH, I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY, BUT I HAVE HEARD YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE PALM TREES BEING OVER TRIMMED. UM AROUND TOWN, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THERE. NO SO YOU DON'T THAT'S YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THAT. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE OR NOT? NO, I'M NOT. OK? OR
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ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE IS IF YOU WATCH THEM, YOU SEE THE ONES IF YOU LOOK AT A SABLE OVER 10 YEARS THE ONES THAT GET BUTCHERED EVERY IT USUALLY HAPPENS IN THE WINTER TIME WHEN THE LANDSCAPERS DON'T HAVE AND WORK FOR THEIR FOR THEIR GUYS AND THEY GOTTA STILL BRING IN INCOME. UH AND THEY TAKE IT TO THE RICH PEOPLE AND CUT ALL THEIR PALM TREES AND MAKE THEM LOOK WORSE AND LESS HEALTHY. UM NEXT QUESTION FOR BONNIE. UH, I GUESS THERE'S A DISEASE BECAUSE I'M A BIG, YOU KNOW, ADVOCATE OF SABLE THINKING THEY'RE BULLETPROOF AS COME TO FIND OUT IN LAST MONTH. I'M READING AND HEARING THINGS FROM OUR LANDSCAPERS THAT IT REALLY IS A DISEASE THAT'S AFFECTING ALL PALMS AND THE SABLE PALM, WHICH SEEMS AMAZING TO ME. UH, I HEARD IT WAS BROUGHT IN FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY ON DIFFERENT PALMS. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? AND DO YOU THINK WE'RE IN THE BEGINNING OF SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA WIPE OUT A LOT OF THE STABLES. UM I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A NEW ONE. I DO KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE PHOENIX SPECIES GET DISEASE REALLY EASILY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT NATIVE TO HEAR. BUT NO I. I DON'T PRACTICE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE ANYMORE. HAVE PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. I JUST SINCE I READ ABOUT IT AND STARTED LOOKING AROUND AND LOOKING, AND I WAS LIKE, OH, YEAH, I MEAN, JUST HERE AND THERE. YOU BRING THIS BACK TO THE SURE, THOMAS. HAVE SOME FUN AT IT. GO AHEAD. NO NO, I'M DONE. WE'RE DONE SURE, WHY NOT? UM, I JUST A COMMENT. DO WE EVER WORK WITH THE AGRI AGRICULTURAL EXTENSION AGENT? THAT'S OVER, UM AT THE FAIRGROUND. WE'VE WORKED WITH NATIVE PLANT SOCIETY OF MARIN COUNTY. UM THEY RECOMMENDED SOME SPECIES TO US FOR SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.UH, RESIDENTIAL UH, TREE PROGRAM AND ALSO THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY STREET PROGRAM. UM AND I BELIEVE WE WORKED WITH IBIS TOO, FOR THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY THREE PROGRAM, SO WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THEM AND WE WOULD PROBABLY REACH OUT TO THEM. UM SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CODE AMENDMENT AND THE RECOMMENDATION OF TREES? AND JUST THE CITY DO A FIVE YEAR PLAN. THEY UPDATE REGULARLY, UM, ABOUT OVERALL. WORK THAT'S DONE IN THE CITY. I MEAN, COULD THIS BE PART OF THAT WHEN THAT GETS UPDATED? WE HAVE AC IP THAT COMES BEFORE US EVERY YEAR AND IT GOES OUT. YOU KNOW MORE THAN FIVE YEARS? ACTUALLY, IT'S 10 YEARS, RIGHT? SO YEAH, IT'LL COME. IT'LL PROBABLY COME BEFORE YOU SOMETIME IN AUGUST. YEAH IT'S PART OF THE BUDGET. BUT WE HAVE THE CR A PLAN, TOO. WE ALSO HAVE THE CR A PLAN AND I PROVIDE AN UPDATE AND MILTON MILTON MILTON. MAKE A BIG NOTE THERE SO WE CAN HAVE YOU ON TAPE. BUILT LIKE A DIRECTOR, WHO I WAS, UH, YEARLY WITH THEM AS FAR AS, UH, ALL OUR TREES GO. AND DO WE DO HAVE A DATE PALMS INOCULATED EVERY SO MANY SO OFTEN? TO KEEP THE DISEASE FROM ATTACKING OUR DATE BOMBS. SO WE DO. MONITOR OUR TREES. AS FOR THAT PART GOES RIGHT, AARON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, NOTHING MARK. MY ONLY QUESTION OR COMMENT WAS, UH, IF WE'RE IF WE DO LOOK TO BRING SOMEBODY IN TO DO THIS KIND OF REVIEW FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK WE NEED FULL TIME STAFF, YOU KNOW, SUBCONTRACTOR, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD FIND SOMEBODY WHO WAS NOT ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN CURRENT PLANS BECAUSE YOU KNOW? THAT'S YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS GENERALLY ARE ARE TRYING TO MANAGE THESE PLANS THROUGH THE CITY. AND SO IT'D BE NICE IF WE GET SOMEBODY WHO'S A LITTLE MORE INDEPENDENT AND IS NOT LOOKING TO MAKE A LIVING OFF OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT. OK AND OH, ANYTHING ELSE. BESIDES COMMENTS. UH, I THINK IT'S A I THINK WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS MAKES PERFECT SENSE. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD. THE ONLY THING I DID SEND YOU AND IT REALLY DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS. I KNOW, BUT I SENT IT TO YOU ANYWAYS, WAS WHEN WE APPROVE AND GIVE MONEY. FOR, UH, LANDSCAPING. THIS BOARD. WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE LANDSCAPING HAS AN E HAS IRRIGATION CONNECTED TO IT. AND I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T THINK IT GOES INTO THIS CODE. THAT'S THE BURNT PROGRAM AND THEY ARE BRINGING THAT TO THE BOARD NEXT MONTH FOR DISCUSSION. SO I JUST LIKE YOU TO REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE I TOO OFTEN. WE SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND THEN PEOPLE DON'T REALLY TAKE CARE OF THE PLANTS AGAIN SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE TO GO AROUND. SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. WE'LL NEVER KNOW HOW THOSE PLANTS SURVIVED.
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SO I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD. WE DO LIKE FOR PE D. UM, APPROVALS. WE DO REQUIRE A LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE PLAN AND IRRIGATION PLAN, BUT AGAIN TO YOUR POINT, IT'S NOT NOBODY THERE TO ENFORCE IT. UM SO UM DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? DO YOU WANT ANYTHING? LEE ON HOW THIS WORKS FROM HERE. UH, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE WORTH NOTING THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE PART OF THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES FOR AMENDING THE LANDSCAPE CODE FALL UNDER THE, UM LP, A UM YOUR , UM YOUR BOARD HERE DEALS WITH THE URBAN CODE AMENDMENTS, WHICH DOES INCLUDE AND INCORPORATE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ON LANDSCAPING, AND IT PROVIDES EXTRA EXCEPTIONS. AND, UH, THAT WOULD BE IN SECTION THREE.0.0103 AT THE VERY END SECTION G ON LANDSCAPING JUST TO POINT THAT OUT. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE ONLY THING I. I KNOW WE'RE HAVING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT SOME OF THE STUFF MIGHT STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE LP. A SO THE MORE THE MERRIER. YEAH, SOME MORE. MORE MINDS AND, UH THE DISCUSSION ON THE MATTER. THE ONLY THING I WANT TO ADD IS I DON'T WANT I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO LANDSCAPING. WE SHOULDN'T GET GIVE THE APPLICANT TOO MUCH LEEWAY. I THINK THAT'S A MISTAKE. AND I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE OUR CODE. AS UP TO DATE AS POSSIBLE AND THEN ENFORCE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WOULD BE MY ONLY RECOMMENDATION ON SOMETHING. OK, DO YOU HAVE ANY ANYTHING? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYONE WANTS TO DISCUSS? I. I DID HAVE A LONG THE SAME LINES HERE A LITTLE BIT, BUT JUST AS A GENERAL NOTE FOR US TO MAYBE CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE. IS I STILL DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND. WHERE THE URBAN CODE. DESIGNATIONS THAT WE'VE GOT. I.
I UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WORK IN A CITY LIKE DOWNTOWN. BUT I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW AN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD WORKS. OUT. SIX MILES FROM DOWNTOWN. OR OUTSIDE THE CR, A COUNTY. OH, MAYBE NOT MY JOKE. MAYBE IF YOU WOUND AROUND AND THEN WENT DOWN THIS ROAD, YOU COULD GET 6 6.5, BUT MY POINT IS YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT CODE THAT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED. THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING AN URBAN CODE. IN WHAT'S A SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT AND I? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. EXACTLY WHERE THOSE KIND OF WHERE THAT WORKS. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UM SO I IT'S JUST A QUESTION. I HAD I. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. ARE YOU REFERRING TO URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY? NO WE DON'T HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE ONE. I'M REFERRING TO WE HAVE AN IN DOWNTOWN STEWART. AND IN THE CR A GENERALLY WE HAVE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD URBAN CENTER, URBAN US ONE OR WHATEVER URBAN WATERFRONT AND IN A CITY WHERE YOU KNOW YOU'VE GOT LIMITED, UH, PLANTS AND PLANNING CAPABILITIES LIMITED. UH, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. IT MAKES SENSE.
BUT NOW WE TAKE THAT SAME THING OUT, AND WE PUT IT OUT AT PROJECTS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, ARE LOOKING AT OUTSIDE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE WALKABLE DOWNTOWN. AND WE'RE USING THAT CODE OUT THERE AND I. I DON'T SEE HOW THAT WORKS. WE DON'T I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT WAS BEING THE CIA. A BOUNDARY IS ACTUALLY LARGER THAN THE URBAN DISTRICT, AND WE HAVE AN UPDATED THE EXTENSION OF THE CR A WITH THE URBAN CODE DISTRICT. SO THE URBAN CODE IS IT'S JUST WITHIN A CERTAIN PORTION OF OUR CR, A THERE'S URBAN HIGHWAY URBAN CENTER, URBAN GENERAL URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD URBAN WATERFRONT. ISN'T IT? WHERE THE RED SIDEWALKS A WHERE THE PINK SIDEWALKS ARE, RIGHT. YEAH UM SO IT IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE CR A, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS, UH THEN I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT ONE OF THE PROJECTS IS BEING CONSIDERED RIGHT NOW ON US ONE IS REQUESTING A CHANGE TO AN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE OF ZONING. AND I THOUGHT THAT THE PROJECT THAT WENT IN NEXT TO COSTCO IS UNDER AN URBAN CODE ZONING. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THOSE YEAH, THOSE A RE PLAN PLANNED UNITS, UH, MAYBE YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? II. I CHRIS EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENCE. WHY IS SOMEBODY SO IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO A LEAH, FOR INSTANCE, WHICH IS IN THE CR A. BUT IT IS OR HAS A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF SPECIAL NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIAL DISTRICT. WHICH SIMILARLY WORKS AS A SMALL TOWN. IF YOU WILL, IT HAS THOSE DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS BUILT INTO IT. WHICH REQUIRES CITY COMMISSION APPROVAL. UM, BUT I THINK OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THE URBAN CODE SPECIFICALLY HAS CERTAIN
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EXCEPTIONS TO THE CHAPTER SIX LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WHICH IS UNIVERSAL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.SO CERTAIN URBAN CODES IN EAST ST NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING DISTRICTS , THEY HAVE EXCEPTIONS TO OUR OVERALL LAND OF, UH, LANDSCAPE CODE. BUT JUST IN GENERAL. SO THE PROJECT THAT THAT'S UP ON US ONE WHERE THE EDEN MULTIFAMILY IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE REFERRING TO? OK SO THAT THAT'S AC PUD A COMMERCIAL PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT ? BUT WEREN'T THEY TALKING ABOUT OR REQUESTING AND MY QUESTION IS CAN THAT TYPE OF PROJECT REQUEST AN URBAN, UH, AND URBAN CODE TYPE ZONING URBAN. THE URBAN ZONING DESIGNATIONS ARE REQUIRED UNDER THE DOWNTOWN FUTURE LAND USE. OK, SO THEY REQUIRE SPECIFIC LAND USE, WHICH IS GONNA BE RESTRICTED TO PRETTY MUCH DOWNTOWN, THE EVEN EVEN LESS THAN THE CR A RIGHT OR IS IT LESS? YEAH LESS THAN THIS YEAR. OK OK, AND THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTIES EVEN, UM, EAST ON EAST OCEAN. OR THE CR. A BOUNDARIES ARE STILL IN THEIR ZONE. B TWO, THEY HAVE STRAIGHT ZONING. R TWO, R THREE. BY THE HOSPITAL. THAT'S ALL STRAIGHT ZONING, BUT IT'S OK, I JUST WAS ASKING AND AGAIN, I THINK ZONING IS DIFFERENT. THEN. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. IS ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, LEE? NOTHING. MILTON, DO YOU WANNA, YOU KNOW, WEIGH IN AGAIN? YOU SURE? OKAY? I JUST HAVE A QUICK UPDATE AT THE LAST MEETING, THE BOARD ASKED, UM YOU KNOW, A METHOD TO PROTECT THE MURALS AND WHAT WE CAN INCORPORATE AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE APPLICATION, SO I'VE ADDED, WE HAVE A BUDGET WORKSHEET THAT THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT AS PART OF PART OF THE APPLICATION, AND, UM , THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE A CLEAR CODE WITH UV PROTECTION. UM AS PART OF THE BUDGET WORKSHEET, SO, UH, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO. FOR COMPLETING.
UH, YOU KNOW, UH, BEFORE SUBMITTING FOR, UH, REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE PROGRAM.
UM SO THIS IS ONE WAY TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE AND HOW WE CAN HELP PROTECT THE MURALS AND YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN THEM FOR A LONG, LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ADDED, UM , I DON'T NEED A MOTION. IT'S JUST A MINOR CHANGE. WE'LL WE'LL JUST TWEAK THE APPLICATION A LITTLE BIT AND ADD THAT BUT, UH, WE JUST I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH THIS AMENDMENT. AND HE WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE. OK? ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S ALL I HAVE, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE BY FROM ANYONE OH,
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