Jun 10, 2024 Regular City Commission Meeting

IT'S ADVERTISED.

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[ROLL CALL]

MAYOR BRUNER HERE.

VICE MAYOR RICH. YES, COMMISSIONER.

CLARK. YES, COMMISSIONER COLLINS HERE.

MR. MCDONALD HERE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THE INVOCATION OF THE PASTOR BROSIUS.

AND THEN RIGHT AFTER THAT, EVERYONE STAND NOW.

AND AFTER THAT, WE'LL DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

PASTOR BROSIUS, THANK YOU, SIR.

SHALL WE PRAY? FATHER IN HEAVEN AGAIN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE AND MERCY TO US AGAIN.

JUST HOW WE APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO LIVE IN THIS BEAUTIFUL AREA.

YOU'VE GIVEN US. LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THESE MEN AND WOMEN AND FOR THEIR DESIRE TO SERVE US AND TO EVEN TO MAKE THIS PLACE BETTER.

PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING AND DIRECTION THIS EVENING, EVEN AS THEY DELIBERATE THESE MATTERS, AS WELL AS AS THEY LOOK TO THE THINGS OF THE FUTURE.

SO WE PRAY FOR THEIR PHYSICAL HEALTH, THEIR SPIRITUAL HEALTH, AND YOUR MENTAL HEALTH.

LORD, ENCOURAGE THEM JUST DAY BY DAY AND WE PRAY THIS ALL IN THE WONDERFUL NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS.

AMEN. AMEN. AMEN.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU SIR. OKAY.

OUR ARTS MOMENT, SABRINA ZAMBRANO IS GOING TO DO A SONG PERFORMANCE.

[1. ARTS MOMENT - SABRINA ZAMBRANO, SONG PERFORMANCE]

I FEAR LEST I LOSE YOU WHEN I AM SLEEPING.

DO NOT GO, MY LOVE, WITHOUT ASKING WHY MYSELF.

I START UP.

AND STRETCH MY HANDS TO TOUCH YOU. I ASK MYSELF, IS IT A TRADE? BUT I BOUGHT ENTANGLE YOUR FEET WITH MY HEART AND HOLD THEM FAST TO MY WORKS.

WORKS. DO NOT GO, MY LOVE, WITHOUT ASKING MY.

THEY'VE.

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NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO MAYOR.

OH, YES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SABRINA.

HAVE THE JUNETEENTH.

JIMMY SMITH WILL BE RECEIVING THIS, AND MISS DOOLEY READ THAT FOR ME, PLEASE.

[2. JUNETEENTH - JUNE 19, 2024]

AND WHEREAS UNION SOLDIERS LANDED AT GALVESTON, TEXAS, ON JUNE 19TH, 1865 WITH NEWS THAT THE WAR HAD ENDED AND THAT THE ENSLAVED WERE NOW FREE ON THAT FIRST JUNETEENTH, THE PEOPLE OF TEXAS WERE READ GENERAL ORDER NUMBER THREE, WHICH STATED, THE PEOPLE OF TEXAS ARE INFORMED THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH A PROCLAMATION FROM THE EXECUTIVE OF THE UNITED STATES, ALL SLAVES ARE FREE.

AND WHEREAS THE FIRST JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION WAS A TIME FOR REASSURANCE, PRAYER, AND THE GATHERING OF FAMILY MEMBERS, TODAY JUNETEENTH CONTINUES TO GROW WITHIN COMMUNITIES AND ORGANIZATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

NUMEROUS LOCAL AND NATIONAL JUNETEENTH ORGANIZATIONS HAVE ARISEN ALONGSIDE OLDER ORGANIZATIONS, WITH THE COMMON MISSION OF PROMOTING AND CULTIVATING KNOWLEDGE AND APPRECIATION OF AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY AND CULTURE, WHILE ENCOURAGING CONTINUOUS SELF DEVELOPMENT AND RESPECT FOR ALL PEOPLE AND CULTURES. AND WHEREAS, ON A LARGE, LARGER SCALE, CELEBRATION OF JUNETEENTH REMINDS ME, REMINDS EACH OF US OF THE PRECIOUS PROMISES OF FREEDOM, EQUALITY AND OPPORTUNITY WHICH ARE THE CORE OF THE AMERICAN DREAM.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, REBECCA ESSER BRUNNER, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM JUNE 19TH, 2024 AS JUNETEENTH FREEDOM DAY.

THANK YOU. AND JIMMY SMITH IS GOING TO RECEIVE THIS.

HE'S A PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP.

AND NINA ALSO.

DOWN HERE TO.

COME DOWN. OH, JIMMY WANTS US TO COME DOWN.

YEAH, JIMMY. JIMMY LIKES DOWN.

YEAH. YEAH.

OKAY, HOLD OPEN THE PROCLAMATION.

I AM, I AM.

I GOT IT. THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS NINA DOOLEY.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF ASUS, WHICH IS A NONPROFIT HERE IN MARTIN COUNTY.

STUART'S CITY OF STUART'S.

WE ARE HOSTING THE JUNETEENTH EVENT THIS YEAR.

WE'RE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE FESTIVAL IN THE PARK.

WE'RE ACTUALLY HOLDING A MISS JUNETEENTH PAGEANT, SO WE WANT TO GET OUR YOUNG GIRLS INVOLVED.

AND THE THEME IS RAISING QUEENS.

SO WE HAVE WE'RE DELIGHTED TO HAVE THREE.

WE HAVE TWO CATEGORIES.

WE HAVE A MISS JUNIOR JUNETEENTH AND A MISS TEEN JUNETEENTH.

SO WE HAVE THREE LOVELY LADIES IN THE JUNIOR CATEGORY FROM MIDDLE SCHOOL AGE.

AND WE HAVE TWO LOVELY LADIES IN THE HIGH SCHOOL AGE GROUP FOR THE MISS TEEN THIS YEAR.

SO I'M ENCOURAGING EVERYONE TO COME OUT.

IT'S JUNETEENTH FREEDOM DAY AT THE 10TH STREET REC CENTER.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED.

THE VERY FIRST PAGEANT IN EAST STUART, AND WE WANT EVERYBODY TO COME OUT AND ENJOY, CELEBRATE WITH US.

THESE LADIES ARE WORKING VERY HARD ON THEIR TALENTS AND THEIR EVENING GOWNS, SO WE JUST WANT EVERYONE TO COME OUT.

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CLARK IS A JUDGE.

SO WE HAVE A GREAT THINGS GOING ON FOR THIS, THIS PAGEANT.

WE'RE PUTTING EVERYTHING BEHIND THESE YOUNG LADIES AND WE JUST WOULD LIKE YOUR SUPPORT.

THANK YOU MA'AM, DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

JUNETEENTH IS THE 19TH.

JUNE 19TH IS ON A WEDNESDAY AT 7 P.M.

AT THE 10TH STREET REC CENTER IS WHEN THE CEREMONY STARTS.

THANK YOU. PERFECT. GO AHEAD.

Y'ALL COME OUT AND SUPPORT IT.

GOOD. JUDGES, I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO ALL OF YOU, ALL FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY.

I JUST BELIEVE IN WIN ONE FREE.

ALL US FREE IS BECAUSE OF LOVE GOD GAVE US IN OUR HEART FOR EACH OTHER.

SECOND, I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THERE WAS A FIRE ON MY STREET.

MY NEIGHBOR. AND THEY RESPONDED.

AWESOME. THEY CAME OUT WITH LOVE AND THEY SHARE A LOT OF LOVE TO THAT.

THAT NEIGHBOR OF MINE.

AND I JUST WANT THE CITY TO KNOW WE GOT THE ONE, THE FINEST.

FIRE DEPARTMENT, ALSO POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

PRAISE GOD. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU.

HEY, I'M GOING TO GO INTO OUR SERVICE AWARDS.

[3. SERVICE AWARDS - JUNE 2024]

I KNOW INSIDE HERE IT SAYS 20 YEARS.

HE'S COME FORWARD.

HE'S KIND OF A CELEBRITY IN 20 YEARS.

ONE OF THEM. PRAISE THE LORD.

PRAISE THE LORD.

FIRST. LIKE THIS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.

NEVER FORGET. NEVER GET ANY OF THOSE GAMES.

BECAUSE. YEAH, BUT IT'S A REALLY FUN PLACE TO WORK.

JUST. KIND OF BE AROUND FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

AND THAT'S FOR THE BEST TASTING WATER.

YOU HAVE A SIP.

MICHAEL MARSHALL ALSO HAS 20 YEARS.

THANK YOU. COME FORWARD.

HE'S NOT HERE. STEP OUT HERE.

STEP OUT! IS HE HERE? MOVE ON. OKAY, WE'LL GET TO HIM.

OUR NEXT RECIPIENT.

15 YEARS OF SERVICE, ROBERT GREEN.

MR. GREEN? YES.

HE'S VERY PICKY.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE SEVERAL MEN TONIGHT CELEBRATING THOMAS GILLEN.

15 YEARS OF SERVICE, MR. GILLEN.

OH. MILTON.

KEYNES. DONS. TEN YEARS OF SERVICE ROBERT CUMMINGS. MR. CUMMINGS. FIRE DEPARTMENT.

BOB IS WHAT KEEPS OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT RUNNING.

YES. THANK YOU, MR. COLEMAN. HE'S FIXED EVERYTHING IN AT ONCE.

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OKAY. ANOTHER TEN YEARS.

COREY LEE. MR. LEE. YOUR STORY.

SPEECH. SPEECH.

SPEECH. I HAVE TO TAKE A PICTURE REAL QUICK.

YEAH. PICTURE WITH THE FAMILY.

BECKY. GREAT. DO YOU MIND COMING DOWN, MAYOR? THANK YOU. OR YOU COULD SIT DOWN IN YOUR SON.

DO YOU LIKE IT? THE SAND. THANK YOU.

YEAH. READY? DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOU WERE HANGING OUT PLAYING VIDEO GAMES.

THANK YOU. AND NOW THE DRUM ROLL.

OH, YES. RIGHT OVER THERE.

FIVE YEARS. DARREN DUKE.

WHO? OKAY. COME ON.

COME UP. BRING THE TEAM UP.

MAKE SURE TO. I THINK THAT THERE.

THERE REALLY? IS THERE AN A SAYING HE'S A UNICORN.

IT'S THE WAY TO HIM. SO EMBARRASSED.

YOU WANT A UNICORN? YEAH. YOU NEED THE UNICORN, DARREN.

YOU NEED. YOU NEED THE GOOD LUCK FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS.

LOOK AT HIM. HIS TEAM IS VERY ACTIVE.

THAT BIRTHDAY ONE.

I'M LEAVING THAT ALONE. OH, SO CUTE THOUGH.

SPEECH. SPEECH ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CITIES.

IT. I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE OF STATE STATUTE.

BUT WHAT I KIND OF WILL TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO TO TALK ABOUT IS MY FIVE YEARS IS ALMOST IRREVOCABLY LINKED TO APRIL OF 2019, WHEN THE CITY WAS RANSOMWARE.

AND ANYBODY THAT WAS HERE AT THE TIME, AND ANY RESIDENT OR TRIED TO CONTACT THE CITY IN APRIL OR MAY OF 2019, KNOWS WHAT THE CITY WENT THROUGH.

IT WAS WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

FIVE YEARS ON TO WHERE WE STARTED IS NIGHT AND DAY, BUT THAT COULDN'T BE DONE RIGHT.

I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE INVOLVED IN THAT.

IT COULDN'T BE DONE WITHOUT THE CURRENT COMMISSION.

SO CONGRATS THANKS TO YOU GUYS AND ALSO THE FORMER COMMISSION AND ALSO, I WOULDN'T BE CORRECT IF I DIDN'T MENTION MR. MARTELL, THE CURRENT CITY MANAGER, AND ALSO MR. DIAS, THE PRIOR CITY MANAGER, WITHOUT THEIR SUPPORT, AND ALSO JOLLY LEWIS, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR.

NONE OF WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE.

SO IT'S NOT JUST ME.

IT'S A TEAM SPORT.

AND EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE AND EVERY MEMBER OF MY DEPARTMENT, PAST AND PRESENT, ALSO DESERVES IRREVOCABLE THANKS FOR THE CRAZINESS THAT WE'VE SPENT SINCE APRIL OF 2019.

SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING ME.

THANK YOU DARREN.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

YES. IS IT WORK? NO. IT MUST BE ANNIVERSARY.

[4. PROCEDURE FOR BLUE-GREEN ALGAE HEALTH ADVISORY NOTICES, PRESENTATION BY THE MARTIN COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH]

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU. SO HAPPY THAT YOU'RE HERE I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO THIS KIND OF CAME ABOUT? I MET WITH MR. MORTAL A FEW WEEKS AGO.

RECENTLY WAS APPOINTED AS THE NEW HEALTH OFFICER FOR THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH IN MARTIN COUNTY AND GOT TO TALKING ABOUT BLUE GREEN ALGAE AND KIND OF IT LOOKED LIKE WE WERE OFF TO A BAD START WITH THE DISCHARGES.

AND THERE WAS SOME BLUE GREEN ALGAE THAT WAS FOUND IN THIS SAINT LUCIE ESTUARY EAST OF THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE.

SO IT WAS A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WORRISOME OF WHERE WE WERE HEADED.

BUT LUCKILY THAT'S KIND OF SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN MITIGATED WITH THE LACK OF DISCHARGES.

BUT MY MAIN PURPOSE TO JUST LET YOU GUYS KNOW THE PROCESS THAT COMES ABOUT WITH US POSTING OUR NOTIFICATIONS OR CAUTIONS AND OUR ALERTS. THERE'S A DOCUMENT THAT I WOULD PROVIDED THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A PROCESS MAP.

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THEY'LL SAMPLE OR THEY'LL GO OUT AND THEY'LL INVESTIGATE FOR POTENTIAL ALGAL BLOOMS. AND IF IT'S EITHER NOTED TO BE IN BLOOM PRESENT OR IF IT'S TESTED AND IT'S AN ACTUAL BLUE GREEN ALGAE, THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ISSUE A CAUTION AND WE'LL PUT UP OUR CAUTION SIGNS.

WEAVE. BACK IN 2013 AND 16, WE WORKED WITH THE CITY OF STUART, MARTIN COUNTY.

WE CAME UP WITH A SIGN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE STATE THAT HAS ALL OF OUR LOGOS.

AND WE, WE DO POST THOSE WHERE IT'S PUBLIC ACCESS.

AND IF THE DEP RETEST RESULTS, THEN COME BACK WITH A CERTAIN LEVEL OF EITHER ANTITOXIN OR MICROCYSTIN.

SO THE TOXIC BLUE GREEN ALGAE.

THEN WE WILL ISSUE AN ALERT.

AND THAT'S KIND OF THE PROCESS BEHIND IT.

AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW OUR ROLE.

THERE IS A GOOD WEBSITE.

IT'S THE FLORIDA ALGAL BLOOM DASHBOARD.

IT'S A DEP SITE.

YOU CAN GO TO IT. IT'S DEP FLORIDA DEP.GOV/ALGAL BLOOM.

AND THAT HAS IT TRACKS EVERYTHING.

IT SHOWS WHAT THE LEVELS OF THE TOXINS WERE WHEN HOW OLD THE SAMPLES WERE.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF KEEP TRACK OF WHERE IT'S AT RIGHT NOW.

EVERYTHING THAT WE SEE IS IN THE LAKE OR RIGHT AROUND THE PORT MAYACA LOCK.

SO THERE'S NOT ANYTHING EAST OF THAT AT THIS TIME, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU GUYS AND LET YOU ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY EVEN, YOU KNOW, PERTAINING TO OTHER ISSUES, INITIATIVES WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

SO I JUST, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT TO THE REASON THAT WE ASKED THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO COME IS BECAUSE IT'S THIS TIME OF YEAR THAT WE START GETTING QUESTIONS FROM OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS ABOUT WHY THE CITY HASN'T PUT UP A SIGN TO WARN PEOPLE OF PROSPECTIVE CONDITIONS IN THE WATER.

AND IT'S THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTION AS IT RELATES TO THE DETERMINATION FOR THOSE SIGNS AND WHAT THEY SAY ON THEM. AND SO OUR ANSWER IS TO LEAN ON THEM FOR THAT INFORMATION RATHER THAN ARBITRARILY PUT THEM UP OURSELVES.

AND I WANTED THE THEM TO COME DOWN AND TELL US HOW THEY MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AND AND WHAT GOES INTO IT.

AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN SEE BY THE CHART THAT HE'S PLACED UP THERE THAT THEY TAKE A LOT OF TIME TO BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT IT, RATHER THAN OVER ALARMING OR UNDER ALARMING.

AND WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK TOGETHER IN THE EVENT THAT WE DO HAVE TO POST SOMETHING AROUND CITY OF STUART, THEN WE'D BE HAPPY TO POST SIGNAGE, SHARE SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, CO-LOCATE THINGS.

WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

WE HAVE THAT ABILITY AS WELL.

SO YEAH, HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.

THAT'S RIGHT. ANY ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR COMING.

SO DO YOU HAVE A REGULAR TESTING SCHEDULE AT AT SPECIFIC SITES AROUND? NO. DEP IT'S SITE SPECIFIC.

SO THEY'RE CONSTANTLY TESTING AROUND THE LOCKS.

THEY TEST AROUND J AND S FISH CAMP.

THERE'S SOME SITES THAT THEY HIT MORE FREQUENTLY BECAUSE IT'S COMMON OCCURRENCE, BUT USUALLY IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE OF A COMMON TERM, LIKE BLUE GREEN ALGAE SEASON, WHERE IT'S THE SUMMER MONTHS, AND THEN IT KIND OF FADES AWAY AROUND NOVEMBER, OCTOBER.

SO THERE'S NOT REALLY THEY'LL CEASE SAMPLING AT A CERTAIN POINT IN TIME AFTER THEY STOP GETTING ANY ACTIVE BLOOMS OR ANY VISIBLE BLOOMS, THEY'LL THEY'LL CEASE THE SAMPLING FOR THE YEAR AND THEN THEY'LL PICK IT UP AGAIN.

THIS YEAR WAS EARLY.

IT WAS APRIL.

SO NOW IF SOMEBODY SEES A BLOOM, ISN'T THERE A MEANS BY WHICH THEY CAN TAKE A PICTURE AND SEND IT TO SOMEONE? THAT IS. AND THERE'S A WEBSITE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS THAT YOU CAN YOU CAN UPLOAD YOUR PICTURE, YOU CAN CONTACT DEP AND THEY'LL GO AND INVESTIGATE AND THEY'LL SAMPLE IT.

OKAY. AND THIS IS ONLINE AS PART OF OUR AGENDA.

AND WE REACHED AT OUR AGENDA.

AND HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET A RESULT BACK? THEY USUALLY SAMPLE BEGINNING OF THE WEEK AND WE GET THE RESULTS BY THE END OF THE WEEK, SO THAT WE CAN POST ANY ADVISORIES BEFORE THE END OF THE WEEK.

SO USUALLY IF ANYTHING'S GOING TO GO OUT LIKE AN ALERT, IT'S ABOUT FIVE DAYS, 4 TO 5 DAYS.

YEAH IT'S NOT IDEAL BUT IT'S IT'S DECENT.

AND DO THE COUNTY AND THE CITY INCUR A COST FOR THAT TESTING.

NO. OKAY. JUST STRAIGHT FROM DEP.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.

AND WHEN YOU'RE IN SEASON, HOW FREQUENTLY ARE YOU TESTING.

ARE THEY TESTING.

THEY TEST WEEKLY AT THE SAME SITES.

SOMETIMES THE SITES OVERLAP AND WE'LL GET LIKE SOMETHING THAT SAYS TO LIFT AN ALERT, BUT WE'LL WAIT A FEW DAYS KNOWING THAT THEY JUST SAMPLED THE SAME SITE AND THERE WAS A VISIBLE BLOOM. BLOOM. SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A ABILITY TO USE LOCAL JURISDICTION AND OUR LOCAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE

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IF IT'S AN ALERT AND WE HAVE TO POST SOMETHING, WE DO THAT AUTOMATICALLY.

BUT IF THEY'RE TELLING US TO LIFT AN ALERT, WE'LL KIND OF WAIT AND GAUGE IT.

IF WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A VISIBLE BLOOM STILL THERE, AND IF THERE IS, WE'LL STILL LEAVE UP OUR CAUTION SIGNS IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH.

SO IT'S STILL AN ADVISORY.

DON'T TOUCH THE WATER. DON'T EAT.

WHAT IS IT? WE HAVE THE.

DON'T TOUCH THE WATER.

KEEP YOUR PETS AND LIVESTOCK AWAY FROM IT.

AND WE DO ALSO WORK WITH THE STATE LEVEL WORKS WITH THE STATE VETERINARIANS.

THEY SEND OUT MESSAGES TO ALL THE VETERINARIAN OFFICES, LIKE SOME SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS, TO RECOGNIZE WHAT THE ANIMALS THAT MAY HAVE INGESTED THE ALGAL BLOOM WATERS.

THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, MAYOR.

COMMISSIONER, MAYBE BETWEEN YOU AND BEN.

DO WE SPECIFICALLY PUT THE DON'T TOUCH THE WATER SIGNS BY OUR PARKS, LIKE, SAY, SHEPHERDS PARKS AND ALL THE ENTRANCE TO BOAT RAMPS AND PLACES WHERE PEOPLE DIRECTLY ARE GOING TO BE ENTERING THE WATER.

IF WE DO SEE A VISIBLE BLOOM AND WE GET A NOTIFICATION, OR IF IT'S TESTED AND IT COMES BACK WITH A MICROCYSTIN THE TOXINS, THEN WE WILL POST SIGNAGE AND WE WORK WITH WE'LL WORK WITH BEN AND JUST NOTIFY THE CITY THAT, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO POST A SIGN OR ASK IF THEY WANT TO POST SIGNS.

SO IT'S TYPICALLY OUR SIGNS.

YEAH. AND AS A REMINDER TO THE COMMISSION SORRY, BEN HOGARTH, FOR THE RECORD A LOT OF THIS STEMMED FROM 2016 AFTER THE FIRST.

AND THAT'S WHEN I FIRST CAME IN TO THE CITY AS WELL.

THAT FIRST ONSET AND I KNOW THERE WAS A HORRIBLE SUMMER BACK IN 2013 BEFORE THAT.

2016 IS REALLY WHERE EVERYTHING KIND OF CAME TO A HEAD, AND THEN 2018 WAS A RECURRENCE.

BUT AT 2016, WE REALIZED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEEDED TO, TO DO SOME MORE MESSAGING, YOU KNOW, AT A LOCAL LEVEL.

AND THANKFULLY, DOH WAS VERY RESPONSIVE.

WE ALL GOT TOGETHER THEY SOLICITED FEEDBACK FROM FROM THE COUNTY, FROM US.

SO IT WAS REALLY KIND OF A GROUP EFFORT TO TO GET THIS KIND OF SIGNAGE OUT THERE.

AND DOE HAS BEEN KIND OF TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS EVER SINCE.

AND AS FAR AS, LIKE THE LOCAL PARKS AND MESSAGING HAS GONE OUT EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

WE'VE HAD ALGAE BLOOMS, THANKFULLY AT LEAST FOR OUR ESTUARY, BLUE GREEN ALGAE.

ALTHOUGH IT'S A NATURAL OCCURRENCE, THE THE TYPE OF SPECIES THAT AND I'M NOT A BIOLOGIST, BUT THE SPECIES TO OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT PRODUCE THE TOXINS AND WHERE YOU GET THE TOXINS AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL AND THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATION WHERE THEY'RE DANGEROUS.

IT'S TYPICALLY FOLLOWING THESE DISCHARGE EVENTS FROM LAKE OKEECHOBEE.

A LOT OF IT IS ARGUABLY ALL OF WHAT WE GET WHEN IT CREATES A TOXIC ATMOSPHERE.

FOR THE RIVER IS AFTER ONE OF THOSE BLOOMS. SO ALTHOUGH DOE DOES HAVE SPOT TESTING AND THERE ARE SPOT ISSUES, ESPECIALLY IN THE C-44 CANAL, BECAUSE THAT STILL WILL CONTINUOUSLY GET WATER PERIODICALLY FROM FROM THE LAKE, EVEN IF THE ESTUARY ITSELF, THE THE RIVER DOESN'T GET IT AFTER THAT.

THERE COULD STILL BE CANAL ISSUES AND ISSUES, RIGHT? PASSPORT. MYAKKA.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK, FOR THE PUBLIC TO REALIZE THAT YOU KNOW, WHERE THE TESTING OCCURS IN THE LOCALITY OF IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHEN YOU SEE THESE MESSAGES. SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT MOVING PIECES TO THAT.

BUT YOU KNOW, THE MESSAGING, THE SIGNS GO OUT.

YOU KNOW, YOU TYPICALLY A FEW DAYS, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE'VE SEEN KIND OF A POSITIVE TEST, DOE HAS HISTORICALLY KIND OF PUT THOSE SIGNS PHYSICALLY OUT THERE AND THEY LEAVE THEM UP PRETTY MUCH FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON BECAUSE AS WAS JUST MENTIONED, YOU CAN EXPECT IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, MARCH OR APRIL, IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE WARMER FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

SO THAT THAT'S PROBABLY OUT THERE THROUGH THE REST OF THE SUMMER AT THAT POINT.

THANKFULLY, THIS YEAR DISCHARGES ONLY LASTED FOR 60 DAYS, SO THE THREAT TO US WAS WAS VERY MINIMAL.

AND IN SHORT, YEAH, I DID FAIL TO MENTION THAT THIS IS A FRESHWATER ALGAE, SO WHEN IT MAKES IT INTO THE BRACKISH ENVIRONMENT AND THE SALTWATER, IT DIES OFF AND THERE WILL BE TOXINS PRESENT FOR EIGHT AND GROW IN THE ENVIRONMENT.

IT'S JUST WHAT'S BEEN SENT DOWNSTREAM.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? NO. THAT'LL BE EVERYTHING.

WE JUST HAVE A DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH DID PROVIDE THESE RESOURCES AT THE BOTTOM HERE.

SO DEP HAS A WEBSITE.

THIS IS KIND OF A REMINDER.

SOMETHING AGAIN, THE STATE DID START A FEW YEARS AGO WHERE YOU CAN REPORT ALGAL BLOOMS AS WELL.

SO IT'S NOT JUST A SITE FOR ALGAL BLOOM INFORMATION.

IT'S ALSO FOR REPORTING.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT NOT ONLY DEP, BUT THE ARMY CORPS, A LOT OF FEDERAL AND STATE AGENCIES DO PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE SO.

WELL, WELL, THANK YOU THAT WE BUILD THIS RELATIONSHIP.

I THANK OUR MANAGER.

THIS IS THIS IS GREAT.

GREAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

NO, SIR. NO, SIR, NO, SIR.

THANK YOU BEN.

YOU CAN SAVE IT. THANK YOU.

YEAH. THE PUBLIC COMMENT, SIR.

FILL OUT THE GREEN SLIP OR COME.

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THE DEVELOPMENT UPDATE.

JODI. ACTUALLY, I THINK I'M GOING TO HANDLE THAT FOR HER TODAY JUST BECAUSE WE WERE GOING OVER IT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

[5. DEVELOPMENT UPDATE]

GIVE THE POINTER. IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

I HAVE A QUESTION. SO PROCEDURALLY, THE WAY WE RUN THESE MEETINGS, IF IF A PERSON.

RIGHT. IF A IF SOMEBODY HAS A QUESTION EASIER THAN.

YOU NORMALLY DO.

IT SEEMS MORE STREAMLINED THOUGH, WHILE THE GUYS AT THE MIC AND IN TODAY'S CIRCUMSTANCE, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE.

THE PROBLEM IS, PROCEDURALLY, IF YOU OPEN IT UP EVERY SINGLE TIME SOMEONE TALKS TO WITNESS A PUBLIC COMMENT, MEETINGS GO OFF.

I AGREE THAT THAT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN THE FASTEST, THE BEST THING TO DO TODAY ANYWAY.

SO THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT UPDATE.

WE HAD IT LAST MONTH AS WELL, AND I'VE BASICALLY GOING TO BE PRESENTING ONCE A MONTH.

JUST KIND OF AN UPDATE TO GIVE THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE PUBLIC AN IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN STUART.

I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN CHANGE THE SLIDES FROM HERE.

I DON'T THINK SO. CAN YOU GO NEXT? OKAY. SO THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE DEPICTS THE CITY OF STUART'S BOUNDARIES, AND IT ALSO DEPICTS THE OUTLINE OF THE ONLY CITY IN MARTIN COUNTY WITH A ONE ISO RATING.

MOVING FORWARD AND TO UNDERSTAND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, A FUTURE LAND USE IS A GENERAL USE OF LAND.

THE RED THAT RUNS ALONG THE US ONE CORRIDOR IS COMMERCIAL.

THE YELLOW IS THE LOW DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY.

THE LIGHT BLUE KIND OF DOWN TOWARD DOWNTOWN IS THE URBAN CENTER.

IN. JUST NORTH OF THE BRIDGE AS WELL IS THE WAS THE CRA URBAN OVERLAY ZONES THAT IN 2001, THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL WAS HIRED BY THE CITY COMMISSION TO CONDUCT A CHARRETTE, A STUDY, AND TO PROVIDE THESE OVERLAY ZONES.

BECAUSE THE CITY OF STUART WAS TRYING TO REVITALIZE ITS DOWNTOWN.

WHAT WAS DETERMINED BY THE CONSULTANTS, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE FEEDBACK, WAS THAT DOWNTOWN, ESSENTIALLY EVERY DAY AT 5:00, DIED.

AND ON THE WEEKENDS IT WAS VIRTUALLY A GHOST TOWN, AND THE BUSINESSES HAD TROUBLE EVEN SURVIVING DOWNTOWN.

AND THEY HIRED ANDRE STUANI TO COME UP FROM MIAMI, A NATIONALLY KNOWN PLANNER AND THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL CONDUCTED CHARRETTES AND STUDIES, AND THEY DETERMINED THAT THE REASON FOR THAT WAS THAT THERE WAS LITERALLY NO HOUSING IN THE URBAN CENTER, AND THAT THAT WAS CONTRARY TO THE IDEA OF PROVIDING A VITAL DOWNTOWN.

SO CODES WERE CHANGED.

AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE COMMISSION SAID WAS, WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY STRAIGHT ZONING.

WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE WHERE PEOPLE CAN JUST COME IN AND BUILD WHATEVER THEY WANT UNDER THESE CERTAIN GUIDELINES AND MAKE IT FIT IN A BOX.

WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO WRITE THE CODE SO THAT THE COMMISSION GRANTS EXCEPTIONS.

AND IT WAS CALLED SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR EVERYTHING FOR THE FIRST SEVEN YEARS.

AND THAT WAY EVERY PROJECT WILL COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND IT KIND OF BE MOLDED IN A NEGOTIATED WITH THE COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE IT HAS A CONSISTENCY AND A RELATIONSHIP TO THE VISION OF THE COMMUNITY AND ALLOWED FOR COMMUNITY INPUT, ETC..

AND WHEN CAROL WAXLER AND MARY HUTCHINSON BECAME COMMISSIONERS THEY FELT THAT THE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS WERE BEING GRANTED EVERY SINGLE TIME SOMEBODY CAME INTO THE ROOM.

BUT THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE INTENT OF THE CODE.

AND THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT BEING CALLED SPECIAL EXCEPTION.

AND SO THEY CHANGED IT TO CONDITIONAL USE.

THE REALITY OF IT IS IT DIDN'T CHANGE THE CODE.

IT JUST CHANGED THE NOMENCLATURE BECAUSE THEY FELT LIKE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, SOUNDED LIKE THE CITY WAS GIVING STUFF AWAY.

BUT WHAT WAS WRITTEN INTO THE CODE BACK THEN IN THIS BLUE AREA THAT YOU SEE HERE, WAS THAT THE IN 2001, YOU WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE FOUR STORIES BY RIGHT AS YOU ARE IN MARTIN COUNTY.

AND THEY TOOK THAT AWAY AND THEY SAID, WELL, IT'S NO LONGER FOUR STORIES BY RIGHT.

IT'S ONLY FOUR STORIES BY RIGHT.

IF 25% OF IT INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL.

AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT FEEL STRONGLY AGAINST RESIDENTIAL THESE DAYS, BUT IN 2001, IT WAS THE CONTRARY.

AND THE PLANNERS ARE SAYING, NO, YOU NEED THE RESIDENTIAL IN ORDER FOR YOUR COMMUNITY TO THRIVE AFTER 5 P.M.

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AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND PRIOR TO 2001, DOWNTOWN WAS A DIFFERENT PLACE.

WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED THE ROCK AND RIVER WALKS ON SUNDAYS, A GUY NAMED RON HART HAD TO GO TO ALL OF THE STORES IN DOWNTOWN AND ASK THEM TO STAY OPEN ON SUNDAYS, AND THEY WOULDN'T. THEY DIDN'T EVEN STAY OPEN.

IT WAS THERE WAS NOBODY DOWNTOWN.

AND THEY DID THE ROCK AND RIVERWALK ANYWAY.

AND DOWNTOWN WAS ABOUT A THIRD OF THE STORES WOULD BE OPEN.

AND THAT'S IT. FAST FORWARD, THE PEOPLE LIVING DOWNTOWN AND THE CONSISTENCY OF THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION AND THE STUART MAIN STREET, AS WELL AS THE PATRONS SUNDAYS TURNED INTO ONE OF DOWNTOWN STUART'S BEST DAYS OF THE WEEK FROM A STANDPOINT OF ENTERTAINMENT AND PEOPLE COMING DOWN AND SHOPPING, ETC.

IN ANY EVENT, THE FUTURE LAND USE IS NOT THE SPECIFICS OF HOW MANY PLANTS AND WHAT THE HOW MANY WINDOWS AND HOW MANY BEDROOMS. IT'S MORE OF A BROAD IDEA.

AND THIS SAID, THE FUTURE LAND USE SAYS WE WANT THIS TO BE KIND OF THE DOWNTOWN URBAN AREA, AND THEN WE WANT THIS TO BE THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THIS TO BE KIND OF THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS CORRIDOR.

THIS ALSO TO BE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND OF COURSE UP HERE AS WELL.

AND THEN OF COURSE US ONE COMMERCIAL AREA AND THEN DOWN HERE, THESE KIND OF BROWNISH IS MORE OF THE MULTIFAMILY AND THERE'S KINGSWOOD AND CEDAR POINT PLAZA, ETC., WHERE IT'S WHITE HERE YOU CAN SEE LIKE THIS IS SNUG HARBOR, WHICH WAS NOT IN THE CITY OF STUART.

IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE COUNTY.

AND IN FACT ALL OF THE WHITE AREA IS COUNTY.

CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? SO CITY OF STUART, IT WASN'T ALWAYS CALLED STUART.

IT WAS CALLED POTSDAM AT ONE POINT.

THIS WATER TOWER IS RIGHT HERE.

IT'S CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.

I ACTUALLY GOT MARRIED ON TOP OF THE WATER TOWER RIGHT THERE.

IN ANY EVENT, IT WAS SETTLED IN THE 1880S.

IT WAS PINEAPPLES, FISHING AND BOAT BUILDING AND GREEN TURTLES.

NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT WE WON'T SAY THEY ATE THEM OR KILLED THEM.

BUT IF YOU LOOK OFF THE.

IF YOU LOOK OFF THE SHORE HERE IN REALLY LOW TIDE, SOMETIMES YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PILINGS THAT STICK UP WHERE THE DECKS USED TO BE, THAT THE BOATS WOULD BRING THE PINEAPPLES INTO DOWNTOWN STUART AND THEN LOAD THEM ONTO THE TRAINS TO BE SHIPPED TO OTHER AREAS.

IN 1914, THE CITY OF STUART WAS INCORPORATED AS A CITY IN PALM BEACH COUNTY.

THE CURRENT POPULATION HAS GONE UP.

I THINK IT'S CLOSER TO 18,700, BUT WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN A LITTLE WHILE.

AND THE SQUARE MILES FOR THE CITY OF STUART IS A MOVING TARGET AS WELL, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAPS, THE SQUARE MILEAGE ALSO INCLUDES THE MIDDLE OF THE RIVER AND IT GOES DOWN THE RIVER BASED ON WHERE THE CHANNEL IS FOR THE WATER.

AND SO IT DOES INCLUDE WATER.

SOME PEOPLE SAY IT'S SEVEN SQUARE MILES, BUT EITHER WAY, MEDIAN INCOME IS ROUGHLY $51,000.

IT WAS IN THE LOW 40S.

IT USED TO BE THE CAPITAL OF PALM BEACH COUNTY.

IT IS NOW THE THE MARTIN COUNTY'S COUNTY SEAT.

THERE'S PLENTY OF HISTORY HERE, AND WE PRIDE OURSELVES IN THE PRESERVATION OF SAME.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LYRIC THEATER HAS BEEN THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

BUT ANOTHER THING YOU NEED TO NOTICE THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS DOWNTOWN.

IT'S FULL. IT'S BUSY.

THESE ARE BUILDINGS THAT WERE HERE ALREADY.

THIS DEVELOPMENT DID NOT HAPPEN RECENTLY.

THIS IS NOT PART OF THE REASON FOR THE TRAFFIC THAT I KEEP HEARING ABOUT.

CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? SO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I ALWAYS HEAR, WELL, THAT'S VIOLATING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

OR I'M A SLOW GROWER AND I FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS, IS THAT IN 1984, THE STATE OF FLORIDA ADOPTED REGULATIONS THAT SAID ALL ZONING AGENCIES, WHICH WOULD BE COUNTIES AND CITIES, ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LEGAL.

THIS IS THE SEEING 1975 THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACT, BUT IN 1984 IS WHEN IT WAS MANDATED FOR EVERYBODY TO DO IT.

1985 THE STATE OF FLORIDA ENACTED THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, WHICH IS 163, AND IT REQUIRES US TO UPDATE THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EVERY SEVEN YEARS WITH YOUR AMENDMENTS.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU, IN 1985, WHEN THE CITY OF STUART ADOPTED ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT PROJECTED THAT THE BUILDOUT FOR THE CITY OF STUART WAS GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND 30,000 PEOPLE.

AND AS IT WENT THROUGH, IT UPDATED.

AND EVERYONE HEARS ABOUT ANNEXATION AS WELL.

BUT BEFORE YOU GET INTO ANNEXATION, IT USED TO BE PRIOR TO 1985, ANNEXATION WOULD BE IF YOU WANTED MUNICIPAL SERVICES, LIBRARIES, SIDEWALKS, STREET LIGHTS, CABLE, WATER, SEWER, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

WHEN THEY STATE OF FLORIDA ADOPTED THE THESE ACTS, THEY ALSO PUT IN WHAT'S CALLED MIXED USE.

AND PEOPLE SEE ON THEIR TAX BILL.

YOU HAVE MIXED USE.

WELL MSTU STANDS FOR MUNICIPAL SERVICE TAXING UNIT.

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AND OF COURSE, WE'RE ALL AGENTS OF THE STATE.

SO THE COUNTIES HAD THE ABILITY TO INSTALL THESE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AND THEN CHARGE THE RESIDENTS THAT MOVED INTO THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS TAXES FOR THE USE OF THOSE SERVICES, JUST AS THE CITIES WOULD.

BUT WHEN I HEAR THE IDEA THAT IF THE CITY OF STUART ANNEXES SOMETHING, THAT IT'S CAUSING SPRAWL, THAT WOULD BE BASED ON THE PRESUMPTION THAT IF IT DIDN'T ANNEX, THERE WOULD BE NO BUILDING OUTSIDE OF STUART.

AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE PALM CITY.

PALM CITY WAS NEVER ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF STUART, BUT PALM CITY IS NOT VACANT BY ANY MEANS, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE UNDER THE MS-DOS IT CAN BE DONE.

HOWEVER, AND NO OFFENSE TO THOSE OF YOU FROM PALM CITY, BUT IF SOMEONE LIVES IN PALM CITY AND THEY COME DOWN AND USE THE BOARDWALKS AND COME TO THE 4TH OF JULY AND WATCH THE FIREWORKS OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, THEY PAY THEIR PROPERTY TAXES AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

BUT THE TRUTH IS, THEY DON'T PAY THE CITY ANY TAXES, SO THEY DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BOARDWALK.

THEY DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO THE FUND FOR THE FIREWORKS, THEY DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO THE SECURITY NECESSARY OR THE PARKS, ETC.

THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY CENTRALLY UTILIZED.

AND THE SAME GOES FOR PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY AS WELL.

AND THAT'S FINE.

IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE THAT WHEN ANNEXATIONS COME ALONG, THEY THE THE PRETEXT IS THAT THE CITY SHOULD ANNEX TO HAVE THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT BE INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, SO THAT WHEN THOSE TAXES ARE COLLECTED, IT ALSO GETS SHARED BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.

CAN I GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? SO THIS IS 1974, STEWART.

AND THE REASON I INCLUDED THIS SLIDE IS BECAUSE, WOW, IT LOOKS LIKE STUART NOW.

SO WHATEVER YOU REMEMBER FROM THE TRAFFIC IN 1974 AS I DO, STUART WAS THERE.

IT ALREADY HAD HAPPENED.

SO IT'S ALL HERE.

YOU KNOW IT. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

1974 NORSE.

OKAY. IF YOU GO BACK ONE BACK ONE SLIDE AGAIN.

I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THIS IS ALSO THE ONLY CITY IN THE COUNTY THAT HAS A ONE ISO RATING THAT WE JUST GOT RENEWED ON FRIDAY.

GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

THIS IS 1974 NORTH STEWART.

SO RIGHT HERE IS THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE GOING OVER THE RIVER.

THIS HAS BEEN ANNEXED INTO STEWART RIGHT HERE.

BUT THIS IS NORTH OF ASSURES THAT WAS THERE.

THIS IS JENSEN BEACH BOULEVARD.

THIS IS THE BEST BUY, ETC..

CAN WE GO TO THE CURRENT STEWART? THIS WASN'T HERE, BUT IT'S ALL HERE NOW.

BUT EVEN WITHOUT BEING ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, A LOT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED.

AND SURE ENOUGH, ANNEX DIDN'T CAUSE SPRAWL.

MIKE, IT LOOKED LIKE THE PART THAT WAS ANNEXED IN THE CITY HAS ACTUALLY A LOT LESS DENSITY.

THIS IS THE PORTION THAT WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE CITY'S AND HANEY CREEK.

YEAH. AND HANEY RIGHT THERE.

IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS 1974 SOUTH OF THE CITY.

SO IF WE GO, THIS IS US, ONE LEADING SOUTH.

THIS IS CANTER HIGHWAY KIND OF GOING OUT SOUTH.

THIS WAY YOU CAN SEE SALERNO ROAD MIGHT BE RIGHT UP THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S INDIAN STREET OR.

YEAH, THAT'S INDIAN STREET RIGHT THERE.

GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND THAT'S WHAT'S SOUTH OF THE CITY LOOKS LIKE NOW.

BUT GO BACK TO THE 71 BEFORE.

SO IN 1974 YOU CAN SEE THE AIRPORT RIGHT HERE.

AND THE CITY LIMITS IS YOU KNOW THE STUFF'S IN IT.

IT'S ALREADY BUILT. THIS STUFF, THIS TRAFFIC WAS BEING GENERATED.

GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS DOWN HERE AND ALL THIS.

AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S WRONG OR BAD OR ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS THESE PEOPLE TRAVEL DOWN US ONE AND DOWN KANNER HIGHWAY TO COME DOWNTOWN OR TO GO PLACES, AND WE SEE TRAFFIC FROM THAT.

AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

BUT I HEAR EVERY DAY THAT STEWART'S DEVELOPMENT HAS CREATED ALL OF THIS TRAFFIC.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT IT, I, I CAN CLEARLY SEE BY A MAP THAT THESE OUTER LIMITS ARE WHERE TRAFFIC COMES FROM.

MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE.

I THINK THE CONTENTION WOULD BE THAT IF YOU ADD 2 TO 3000 UNITS OF DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT PERIOD.

IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE POPULATION DENSITY.

AND THAT'S A DOUBT. AND THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THESE PRESENTATIONS FORWARD BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

1974 SOUTH OF INDIAN STREET.

SO I KIND OF ZOOMED IN.

YOU CAN SEE THE RIVER GOING THERE.

THIS IS THE SOUTH DOWN TO COVE ROAD.

MAYBE GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

QUITE A BIT OF DEVELOPMENT. THIS WAS PART OF THOSE PRESERVE AREAS, WHICH IS GOOD.

YOU CAN SEE 95 IS NOW HERE.

DIDN'T HAPPEN BEFORE UNTIL 1990.

KEEP GOING. THIS IS WEST OF STUART.

SO IN THIS PARTICULAR IMAGE STUART IS OVER HERE.

BUT YOU CAN SEE IT WAS FULL.

IT WAS BUSY. LIGHTHOUSE POINT NORTH OVER SHORES ALL THE WAY DOWN.

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AND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY PALM CITY NEXT ONE.

AND NOW IT'S CHANGED QUITE A BIT.

YOU CAN SEE NEXT ONE.

THIS IS THE SOUTH OF INDIAN STREET AGAIN AND GO TO THE NEXT.

THEY'RE PROBABLY MIXED UP A LITTLE BIT.

AGAIN, LOTS OF STUFF.

SO HERE ARE OUR POPULATIONS.

HISTORIC POPULATION CENSUS 20, 30, 40, 50 ALL THE WAY TO 2020.

POPULATION OF 778 147%.

GROWTH RATE IN 1930 MEANT IT WENT FROM 700 TO 1900 PEOPLE.

MARTIN COUNTY CAME IN IN 1925.

IT HAD A 23% GROWTH RATE BECAUSE IT WENT FROM 5000 TO 6000.

SAINT LUCIE COUNTY SHOWED UP IN 1910 1920.

PORT SAINT LUCIE DIDN'T COME 330 PEOPLE IN 1970, WHICH IS A MAJOR NUMBER, BUT THEY DID HAVE A 4,000% GROWTH RATE.

THE GROWTH RATE THE NEXT YEAR.

MOVING FORWARD, THOUGH, IF YOU LOOK HERE IN LIKE THE 1970S, YOU HAD A 0.6% GROWTH RATE, AND THEN 1980 IT WENT FROM 4000 TO 9000.

SO IT ADDED 5000 PEOPLE AND IT HAD A 96% GROWTH RATE 1970 TO 1980.

MARTIN COUNTY, THOUGH, DIDN'T ADD 5000 PEOPLE.

IT ADDED 30,000 PEOPLE.

AND THEN IF YOU GO 1980 TO 1990, MARTIN OR STEWART ADDED 2000 PEOPLE.

MARTIN COUNTY DIDN'T ADD 2000, IT ADDED 35,000 AND THEN 90 TO 2000.

STEWART ADDED 3000 PEOPLE, 90 TO 2000, MARTIN COUNTY ADDED 25,000 PEOPLE AND THEN 2 TO 210.

STEWART ADDED ABOUT A THOUSAND PEOPLE, 2 TO 210, MARTIN COUNTY ADDED ANOTHER 20,000 PEOPLE AND THEN 210 TO 220.

STEWART ADDED ABOUT 2 TO 3000 MARTIN COUNTY ADDED ANOTHER 12,000.

SO WHEN YOU START HEARING ABOUT THESE PERCENTAGES AND GROWTH RATES, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT PERCENTAGES REALLY MEAN NOTHING.

WHAT WHAT YOU RECOGNIZE IS THAT STEWART, FROM 1930 TO NOW, LET'S JUST CALL IT 18,000 AND THAT WAS 2000 HAS ADDED 16,000 PEOPLE.

WELL, MARTIN COUNTY HAS ADDED 16,000 PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE DECADE FROM 1930 OR FROM 1960 TO THE CURRENT PRESENT.

AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BECAUSE MARTIN COUNTY IS TEN TIMES THE SIZE OF STUART.

IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE NOT DONE IT.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHEN STUART, WHEN I GET TO HEAR THE FACT THAT STUART'S GOT THIS OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF PEOPLE, IT REALLY HASN'T ADDED THAT MANY PEOPLE OVER THAT TIME. AND IN FACT, THE LAND HAD ALREADY BEEN IMPACTED.

THE FRUSTRATION IS WITH THE APARTMENTS, MIKE.

THE FRUSTRATION IS WITH THE 2 TO 3000 APARTMENTS.

WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT NEXT TWO.

I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THEM. THE OTHER THING IS THE CITY OF PORT SAINT LUCIE, THE CITY OF PORT SAINT LUCIE.

AND AGAIN, NOTHING WRONG WITH IT, BUT THE MCAULIFFE BROTHERS BOUGHT ALL THE LAND UP IN SAINT LUCIE COUNTY MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.

AND THEY PLATTED THE LAND AND HAD PHONE BANKS AND DIFFERENT WAYS TO SELL LAND TO PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

AND IT GREW QUICKLY.

AND ONE OF THEIR MOST WELL-SPOKEN MAYORS WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT AND BROUGHT PORT SAINT LUCIE KIND OF INTO THE NEW AGE AND STARTED DOING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND IN 2004, PORT SAINT LUCIE WAS THE FASTEST GROWING CITY IN THE UNITED STATES.

IT WOULD PLAY GAMES WITH WITH LAS VEGAS AS TO WHO WAS IN FIRST AND WHO WAS IN SECOND PLACE.

BUT IN 2005, FRANK BROGAN, WHO AT THE TIME WAS THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA BUT WAS ALSO A SECOND GRADE TEACHER HERE IN STUART AND HAD ALSO BEEN EDUCATION COMMISSIONER. SUPERINTENDENT, AMONG OTHER THINGS, SPOKE AT THE BDB LUNCHEON.

AND EVERYONE HAD THESE FEARS OF ALL THIS GROWTH.

AND THEY SAID, MARTIN COUNTIES, BROWARD, ISING AND THEY'RE GOING TO TURN INTO BROWARD COUNTY AND HERE COMES BROWARD IZATION.

AND HE SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BROWARD IZATION BECAUSE YOU HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN PLACE.

AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHEN THE GROWTH HAPPENS.

BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN PLACE, IT CAN ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE, OR IT CAN HAPPEN OVER A COURSE OF YEARS.

BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS DESIGNED TO CAPTURE THAT POPULATION AND BE READY FOR IT.

AND IN MARTIN COUNTY YOU HAVE A HEIGHT LIMIT OF FOUR STORIES.

SO THE ECONOMIC IMPACT IS THAT NO ONE'S GOING TO BUY A THREE STORY OR A TWO STORY BUILDING AND TEAR IT DOWN TO BUILD A FOURTH FLOOR, BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE ECONOMIC RETURN.

IN 2005, THOUGH, HE DID POINT OUT THAT BROWARD COUNTY HAD A MILLION PEOPLE AND THAT MILLION PEOPLE WAS CONSISTING OF A BUILD OUT FROM THE ATLANTIC OCEAN ALL THE WAY TO WESTON THAT WAS ENCROACHING INTO THE EVERGLADES, NOT JUST PARTIALLY, BUT LITERALLY IN THE EVERGLADES.

EXACTLY. AND THEY PROJECTED THAT IN THE NEXT 15 YEARS, BROWARD COUNTY WOULD ACTUALLY ADD ANOTHER MILLION PEOPLE.

BUT HOW COULD IT? BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY 100% BUILT OUT.

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AND FAST FORWARD TO 2020.

BROWARD COUNTY CENSUS POPULATION WAS 1,980,000 PEOPLE, SO IT WAS OFF BY 20,000 OF ACTUALLY BUILDING ANOTHER MILLION PEOPLE IN 15 YEARS. BUT THAT'S BECAUSE IN BROWARD COUNTY YOU COULD KNOCK DOWN A THREE STORY BUILDING, PAY THAT PRICE, AND THEN BUILD BACK A 30 STORY BUILDING, GET A RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT.

BUT LIKE AZUL ACROSS THE STREET HERE.

IF SOMEONE WERE TO BUY A ZOO AT THREE STORIES, TO PUT A FOURTH FLOOR ON THE RETURN OF WHATEVER NUMBER OF UNITS THEY GOT FOR THAT FOURTH FLOOR WOULD NEVER COME CLOSE TO JUSTIFYING THE INVESTMENT.

SO WE CAN ALL KNOW THAT UNDER OUR COMP PLAN, NO MATTER WHAT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE BROWARD.

BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO FACE SOME TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS.

SO WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE COMP PLAN AND SAY, WELL, WHAT IS THE COMP PLAN? THINK WE SHOULD BE? WELL, IN 1985 IT THOUGHT WE SHOULD BE 25 TO 30,000 PEOPLE.

IN 1992, I THOUGHT WE SHOULD BE 25 TO 30,000 PEOPLE.

IN 1998 THERE WAS A LAWSUIT BECAUSE OF SOME ANNEXATIONS, AND WE HIGHLIGHTED THE STUFF NORTH OF THE BRIDGE.

BUT THERE WAS SOME SOUTH AS WELL, AND SOME ON INDIAN STREET.

AND AFTER THE CITY OF STUART IN 1998 INCREASED ITS GEOGRAPHIC AREA BY 40%, ITS PROJECTED BUILD OUT UNDER ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WENT TO 25 TO 30,000 PEOPLE.

AND THEN IN 2001, WHEN ANDRE DUANY DID THE STUDY AND SAID THAT FOUR STORY BUILDINGS HAVE TO HAVE 25% RESIDENTIAL IN THEM.

THE NEXT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROJECTED THE BUILD OUT TO BE 25 TO 30,000 PEOPLE.

AND THEN IN 2007, THE COUNTY AND THE CITY GOT TOGETHER AND DID A UTILITY AGREEMENT AND DIVIDED UP KIND OF WHO WOULD PROVIDE WATER TO WHO.

BUT IT'S PART OF THE CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT.

HAD TO MEET WITH THE FLORIDA DEP.

THEY HAD TO DO A POPULATION EVALUATIONS.

AND THE FLORIDA DEP SAID TO THE CITY OF STUART, WE KNOW THAT BY 2028, YOU ARE GOING TO BE 28,000 PEOPLE AND THEREFORE THE WATER CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT HAD TO BE 28,000 PEOPLE.

SO THE TOP IN 2007, THE COMP PLAN PROJECTED 28,000, WHICH IRONICALLY IS RIGHT BETWEEN 25 TO 30,000 PEOPLE.

SO IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE 1985 COMP PLAN, EVEN THOUGH THE LAND HAD INCREASED BY 40%.

AND THEN IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, THE CITY COMMISSIONERS ADOPTED A NEW CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT BECAUSE WE OPENED UP OUR WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

AND AFTER THE STUDY WAS DONE AND A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HAD HAPPENED IN THE MEANTIME, THE PROJECTED GROWTH IS THAT IF ALL OF THE VACANT LAND THAT'S LEFT IN STUART GETS DEVELOPED AT THE MAXIMUM DENSITY, THE CITY OF STUART IS GOING TO BE 23,900 PEOPLE, SO IT WON'T ACTUALLY REACH THE 25,000 PERSON NUMBER.

EVEN IF EVERY SINGLE VACANT LAND GETS BUILT AT 30 UNITS AN ACRE WITH MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS.

CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? SO HERE'S THE PROJECTED POPULATION GROWTH.

SAINT LUCIE COUNTY IS A BLIP HERE AND COMES INTO PLAY IF YOU LOOK.

PORT SAINT LUCIE IS A PLAYER.

STUART IS LIGHT BLUE.

IT'S RIGHT HERE.

AND IT KIND OF CREEPS ALONG AND IT DOESN'T GO MUCH MORE.

AND LET'S SAY THAT IT'S AN 18 OR 19,000 RIGHT HERE.

LET'S SAY IT COMPLETELY BUILDS OUT AND IT DOES GET TO THAT 24,000.

SO IT'S GOING TO GET TO ABOUT RIGHT THERE.

THE CITY OF STUART HAS 65,000 PEOPLE A DAY THAT GO OVER THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE COMING FROM NORTH OF US ARE TRAVELING INTO STUART AND TO THE SOUTH OF US, AND PEOPLE GOING TO THE SOUTH OF US ARE TRAVELING FROM STUART TO THE NORTH OR THROUGH STUART TO THE NORTH.

AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE TWO BRIDGES GOING THROUGH PALM CITY THAT THAT LEAD TO THAT TO IN 2017, THE CITY DID A STUDY.

AND IN FACT, EVERY SINGLE STUDY THE CITY OF STUART HAS EVER DONE AT ANY WORKSHOP AS IT RELATES TO DEVELOPMENT.

THE OUTCOME FROM THE CONSULTANTS IS THAT THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT HOUSING AND THAT THEY NEED MORE HOUSING, AND IF YOU DID THAT STUDY NOW, THAT WOULD COME BACK WITH THE SAME RESULT. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO THE LAST TIME THE CITY AND THE COUNTY MET AND THEY HAVE TO MEET UNDER THE 1919 FLORIDA STATUTE, 163, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACT REQUIRES A CONCURRENCY MEETING OF THE CITIES AND THE COUNTIES AND THE SCHOOL BOARDS, SO THAT THE SCHOOL BOARDS CAN CAN PROJECT HOW MANY STUDENT CHAIRS THEY NEED, AND EVERYBODY CAN PROJECT WHAT THEY WERE.

CITY OF STEWART'S PROJECTS APPROVED AND PENDING WERE ZERO.

SO IN 2023, THE CITY APPROVED ZERO UNITS, BUT IT DID HAVE ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME PERMIT ISSUED.

NEXT SLIDE. THE COUNTY IN REVIEW AT THAT MEETING HAD 5883 UNITS IN REVIEW, WHICH IS A LOT,

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THAT'S NOW. AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY IS THAT THE COUNTY IS A LOT BIGGER THAN THE CITY, AND THE COUNTY HAS A LOT MORE VACANT LAND, BUT THERE ARE NO MORE CITIES OF STUART GETTING BUILT.

SO WHEN NEIGHBORHOODS AND DEVELOPMENTS AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY AND APARTMENTS AND WHATEVER THEY ARE AND TOWNHOUSES GET BUILT OUTSIDE OF STUART, IT DOESN'T PREVENT THOSE PEOPLE FROM VISITING US.

AND WE LOVE THAT. WE WANT THEM TO COME DOWN.

ALL OUR STORE OWNERS LOVE IT.

IT MAKES SUNDAYS FUN.

ROCK AND RIVERWALK IS A BLAST, BUT THOSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE DOWNTOWNS.

AND SO THEY COME TO STUART AND WE GET TRAFFIC.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? NOBODY CARES BECAUSE IT'S NOT BAD AND IT'S STILL PARADISE.

IN 2003, THE CITY COMMISSION WAS FACED BY FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION THAT THEY WANTED TO WIDEN US ONE AND WANTED TO BRING TRAFFIC THROUGH STUART FASTER.

AND THE CITY SAID NO.

AND THEY SAID, WELL, IF YOU DON'T, YOUR CONCURRENCY RATING IS GOING TO BE AN F, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A FAILING GRADE.

IT'S GOING TO MAKE TRAFFIC ON US.

ONE FROM THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE TO JENSEN BOULEVARD M BEARABLE.

IT'S GOING TO BE TERRIBLE.

NO ONE'S GOING TO LIKE IT.

AND THE CITY SAID, SO WHAT? THEY HAD SOME WORKSHOPS AND EVERYONE SAID, WELL, THAT'S OKAY, IT'S GOING TO BE 15 20 MINUTE RIDE, BUT IT WON'T ENCOURAGE HIGHWAY AND SPEEDING AND EVERYTHING.

AND MAYBE PEOPLE WON'T COME DOWN AND THEY'LL STAY UP NORTH OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT WE'RE NOT WIDENING IT ANYMORE.

THAT'S THAT. BUT THE RESULT IN THAT IS THAT WE HAVE TRAFFIC AND THERE'S NO WAY TO STOP IT OTHER THAN BUILDING MORE ROADS.

BUT THERE'S NOWHERE TO PUT ROADS BECAUSE WE HAVE LOTS OF RIVERS AND WATER THAT PREVENTS THAT.

THE QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE BALANCE? DO YOU WANT MORE ROADS? MAKE THE CARS GO FASTER, OR DO YOU WANT A LITTLE TRAFFIC AND A LITTLE INCONVENIENCE? BUT ENJOY YOUR PEACE OF MIND.

AND ONCE YOU GET OUT OF THE CAR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CARE.

YOU KNOW THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO FROM 2010 TO 2014, THE CITY APPROVED 2307 UNITS TOTAL.

THAT'S 2010 TO 2014.

SO AS I POINTED OUT THE LAST SIX MONTHS, MARTIN COUNTY HAD 5800 UNITS PENDING.

THIS IS IN THE LAST 14 YEARS.

THE CITY DID THAT NOW IN 2018.

THERE WAS SOME STUDIES AND STUFF.

STUFF DONE. NOW, WHAT REALLY HAPPENED THOUGH IS THE PROJECTS THAT CAME THROUGH WERE ALL OF THESE.

EVERYONE SAYS IT WAS THE 2018 YEAR, BUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IS ALL OF THESE ADD UP TO THE 1350 OR 2000 UNITS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT AND ALL THE APARTMENTS THAT WERE BUILT THAT RUINED ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF.

THE TRUTH OF IT IS, THOUGH, THEY DIDN'T THEY WERE PLANNED.

THEY WERE PART OF THE COMP PLAN.

THEY WERE THERE.

PEOPLE LIKE TO THINK THAT APARTMENTS HAVE THIS NEGATIVE IMPACT.

BUT IF YOU GO TALK TO THE FAMILIES THAT LIVE IN THEM, THEY SAY, OH GOD, I DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE ON US ONE ANYMORE, COMING DOWN FROM WHEREVER IT WAS.

AND I DON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC AND I DON'T HAVE TO WAIT ON THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE, OR I DON'T HAVE TO WAIT IN PALM CITY.

I DON'T HAVE TO BE ON KENNER HIGHWAY.

I WANTED TO LIVE CLOSER TO MY JOB, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

NOW. THE OTHER SIDE TO IT IS, IS THAT THERE WAS ALSO VACANT LAND, AND THE NEXT LINE.

AND THE CITY OF STEWART DOES NOT HAVE THAT MUCH VACANT LAND.

NOW, HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE.

OUT OF ALL THOSE UNITS, 63% ARE APPROVED OR COMPLETED, 15% ARE IN CONSTRUCTION LIKE COSTCO AND 22% ARE APPROVED AND WILL BE BUILT.

BUT THEY'RE ALL CONTEMPLATED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE CALCULATION THAT WAS DONE IN FEBRUARY FOR THE WATER CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT, ETC., YOU GO AGAIN.

I THINK WE'RE ABOUT OUT OF SLIDES HERE, BUT IS THAT THE LAST ONE OR NO? SO THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS THAT AS A FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR ESSENTIALLY HAS FOUR TIMES AS MANY JOBS AS THE CITY OF STEWART HAS HOUSING.

AND AS A RESULT, EVERY SINGLE DAY ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO THOSE JOBS OR GO THERE AS CUSTOMERS OR GO THERE FOR RESTAURANTS OR ENTERTAINMENT, COME IN AND OUT OF STEWART.

BUT THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE WE LIKE IT, BECAUSE THEY BRING THEIR MONEY FROM OUTSIDE OF STEWART AND LEAVE IT WITH US, AND IT CAUSES OUR ECONOMY TO FLOURISH.

WE HAVE OPTIONS. WE COULD HAVE LESS JOBS, OR WE COULD BUILD MORE HOUSING, OR WE COULD MAINTAIN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT THE LEVEL THAT IT'S BEING MAINTAINED.

EXCEPT FOR NO MATTER WHAT, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC ON CANTER ON US, ONE ON EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD DURING THE BUSINESS HOURS, BUT NOT ON WEEKENDS LIKE ON SUNDAY.

YOU WON'T, BECAUSE IF THE BUSINESSES AREN'T OPEN, THEN THE NEIGHBORS DON'T COME IN TO VISIT BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED TO, BECAUSE THE BUSINESSES AREN'T OPEN. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, WE HAD ONE APPROVAL IN 2022 THAT WAS 60 UNITS, AND THEN WE HAD 0

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AS OF MARCH, THE COUNTY HAD HAD 5800.

WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AT SOME POINT IS THAT WE AREN'T GOING TO MAKE UP THE SAME PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION, AND CAN YOU GO BACK? I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAD IT IN THERE.

THE CENSUS DATA, WHAT ONE THAT SHOWED THE POPULATIONS.

SO THE CITY OF STUART, BEING THE COUNTY SEAT, GETS GAS TAX AND SALES TAX AND OTHER REVENUE SHARING FROM THE STATE THAT IS USED TO FUND A LOT OF OUR OPERATIONS.

AND WE WHEN WE WERE, SAY, 1950 OR LET'S SAY 1990, WE WERE 12,000 PEOPLE AND THE COUNTY WAS 100,000 PEOPLE.

I CAN DO THAT MATH. WE'RE ROUGHLY 12%.

SO WE'D GET 12% OF THE SALES TAX AT 12% OF THE GAS TAX AND 12% OF THE REVENUE SHARING.

AND SO IF WE WANTED TO KEEP UP AND HAVE EQUAL GROWTH TO THE COUNTY, THAT IS NO FASTER THAN THE COUNTY, BUT THE SAME GROWTH RATE AS THE COUNTY, WE WOULD BE 12% OF THE COUNTY NOW. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY'S POPULATION, 163.

10% WOULD BE 16,000.

12%.

ONE 60 THREE TIMES 0.12 WOULD BE 19,500.

AND WE'RE ACTUALLY AT 18,700.

SO WE ARE LOSING GROUND.

BUT THE REAL LOSING IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.

WE HAVE ZERO MULTIFAMILY FUTURE LAND USE ACRES LEFT.

WE HAVE ZERO SPECIAL NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT, FUTURE LAND USE ACRES LEFT.

WE HAVE 20 SINGLE FAMILY HOME, FUTURE LAND USE ACRES LEFT.

WE HAVE, I THINK SIX OFFICE RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE ACRES LEFT.

WE HAVE 130 COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE ACRES LEFT.

SO IF WE BUILD THAT 130 ACRES OUT AS COMMERCIAL, YOU CAN ANTICIPATE THAT THOSE JOBS AND THOSE RESIDENTIAL OR THOSE BUSINESSES AND CUSTOMERS WILL ALL CONTINUE IN POPULATE. BUT THE HOUSING NUMBERS WON'T.

SO THE PROFIT SHARES WON'T CONTINUE TO STAY WITH IT.

AND TO GO BACK TO THE ANNEXATION THAT I HEAR A LOT ABOUT, IF IN FACT, I CAN WE GO BACK A COUPLE OR FORWARD A SLIDE LIKE JUST TO THE 1974 SOUTH OF STUART RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S SOUTH OF INDIAN STREET.

NOW GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

SO ASSUMING WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T ANNEX.

YOU'D PRESUME THAT ALL OF THIS DIDN'T GET BUILT.

BUT IT DOES GET BUILT.

SO WHEN IT GETS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY AND BUILT THE CITY GETS ITS MILLAGE OR IT'S, IT'S AD VALOREM TAX AND USING COSTCO AS A PERFECT EXAMPLE, IF COSTCO HADN'T BEEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, THAT LAND WAS AVAILABLE AND WOULD HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED JUST AS THE PUTT PUTT GOLF COURSE THAT'S ON MARTIN COUNTY ON KANNER HIGHWAY IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW WITH 309 APARTMENTS AND A MIXED USE COMMERCIAL AND COMPONENT TO IT, AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S ANYTHING. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE CITY GETS ZERO OF THOSE TAX DOLLARS.

ON THE OTHER HAND, THE COUNTY GETS 6.7 MILLS OF THE MONEY GENERATED FROM COSTCO BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL IN THE COUNTY.

THEY'RE JUST NOT IN THE CITY OF STEWART WHEN YOU GET TO THE OUTSIDE STUFF.

AND IF YOU COMPARE THAT PROJECT THAT'S AT THE PUTT-PUTT GOLF CAYCE THE CITY PUDS REQUIRE 25% UPLAND PRESERVATION.

THAT ONE DIDN'T.

THE CITY AND THE COSTCO CAYCE REQUIRED A 5 TO $10 MILLION BOULEVARD, FOUR LANES WIDE, WITH A TRAFFIC CIRCLE IN THE MIDDLE AND A PARK WITH TEN FOOT WIDE SIDEWALKS ON EITHER SIDE BETWEEN KANNER HIGHWAY AND WILLOUGHBY BOULEVARD, TO BE BUILT AT THE DEVELOPER'S EXPENSE AND THE ONE AT THE PUBLIC GOLF COURSE DIDN'T, AND THE CITY REQUIRED THE DEVELOPER TO ALSO BEFORE STARTING ANY CONSTRUCTION, TEST THE WATER QUALITY TO MAKE IT AS A FLAT BASE, AND LET'S SEE WHAT THE WATER QUALITY IS OF THIS LAND VACANT, SO THAT IT CAN CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT WATER QUALITY. AND ITS PUD HAS GUARANTEED THAT ITS WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM WILL CLEAN ALL OF THE WATER AT ANY WATER THAT'S DRAINING INTO THE STORM WATER SYSTEM OFF OF THAT PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE CLEANER THAN IT WAS WHEN THE LAND WAS VACANT, BECAUSE THEY PUT IN LITERALLY LIKE A FISH TANK THING.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE CHARCOAL AND COTTON, AND THE WATER IS GOING TO GO THROUGH FILTERS THAT HAVE TO BE CHANGED AND MAINTAINED.

AND THE CITY COMMISSION IS WHO REQUIRED THAT.

IT WASN'T THE CITY STAFF, IT WAS POLICIES ADOPTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND BY YOU GUYS THAT SAID, WAIT A SECOND.

I KNOW YOU GOT A LOT OF HEAT FOR IT, BUT IT WORKED.

AND YOU ALSO GOT A LOT OF HEAT THAT IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU GUYS.

BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE EITHER, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECTS IN THOSE 5800 PROJECTS THAT GOT APPROVED SINCE COSTCO THAT WERE PENDING

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AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MISCONCEPTION ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT WHAT KANNER HIGHWAY IS OR ISN'T, OR SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE.

BUT THE TRUTH IS, KANNER HIGHWAY IS CONSIDERED AN ARTERIAL HIGHWAY, AND IT'S RIGHT HERE.

AND WHEN IT WAS BUILT.

CAN YOU GO BACK ONE? OH, SHOOT. THERE WAS ONE MORE.

THAT'S A LITTLE FURTHER WEST.

I CAN'T SEE IT. KEEP GOING.

ONE MORE. THERE WE GO.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT.

IT'S THERE. BUT THERE WAS NOTHING OUT THERE.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S FOLKS THAT COME IN THAT LIVE IN HERE THAT REMEMBER IT LIKE THAT BECAUSE I DO.

AND MARTIN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL IS LIKE RIGHT HERE.

AND WHEN YOU GOT TO MARTIN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL AFTER THAT, LIKE THERE WAS NO THERE WAS NOTHING OUT HERE TILL YOU GOT TO INDIAN TOWN AND IT WAS A TWO LANE ROAD AND NOTHING TO IT.

BUT FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SAW IT AS AN EVACUATION ROUTE AND A FOUR LANE ROAD.

AND THEY ALSO SAID, WE WANT I-95 TO COME THROUGH MARTIN COUNTY.

AND BACK BEFORE 1990S, I-95 DIDN'T COME THROUGH MARTIN COUNTY AT ALL.

YOU HAD TO GET OFF IN SAINT LUCIE COUNTY, AND YOU HAD TO GET BACK ON IN PALM BEACH GARDENS.

BUT THEY THREATENED TO WITHHOLD ALL FEDERAL DOLLARS AND ALL FEDERAL HIGHWAY MONEY IF MARTIN COUNTY DIDN'T ACCEPT I-95.

SO IT HAD TO.

BUT ONCE IT DID, THAT BECAME THE EXIT RIGHT THERE.

AND IT'S A SEVEN MILE STRETCH OF ROAD INTO THE TOWN.

AND THEY KNEW THAT THAT SEVEN MILE STRETCH OF ROAD WOULD END UP BEING A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND AN ARTERIAL HIGHWAY.

SO THEY DESIGNED IT TO BE UP TO SIX LANES OR EIGHT LANES WIDE.

I THINK IT'S THREE AND AND TWO THROUGHOUT.

AND THEN IN LIKE 2000, I THINK IT WAS 11 OR 12.

THE COUNTY COMMISSION WERE APPROACHED BY FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, AND THEY WERE GOING TO WIDEN IT, WHICH THEY DID, BUT THEY ALSO PUT IN SOUND WALLS.

AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT THEY ANTICIPATED GOING ON THAT ROAD WAS GOING TO BE SO HIGH THAT THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE GOING TO NEED SOUND WALLS TO PROTECT THEM. THAT WAS NOT A SURPRISE.

WHEN THEN LATER, POPEYES STARTED GETTING BUILT, AND WAWA AND RACETRACKS AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND OTHER COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AND PUBLICS AND THINGS AND WALGREENS.

BUT THAT IS A HIGHWAY JUST AS SIGNIFICANT AS US ONE IS.

AND IN FDOT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS EYES.

THAT'S WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR.

AND THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC ON IT WAS INTENDED FOR THAT AS WELL.

WHICH IS WHY WHEN THE DEVELOPERS COME BEFORE THE CITY STAFF AND SAY, CAN WE DO THIS, THAT OR THE OTHER? AND THEY LOOK AT IT AND THEY HAVE TO SAY YES BECAUSE IT MEETS THE STANDARDS.

BUT WE CAN ALL REST ASSURED THAT IT'S OKAY, BECAUSE UNDER THE COMP PLAN, IF YOU FOLLOW THE 1985 CITY COMMISSION, YOUR PROJECTION SHOULD BE THAT YOUR GROWTH IS GOING TO BE TO 25 TO 30,000 PEOPLE.

AND RIGHT NOW, IF YOU CONTINUE AT THE RATE YOU'RE GOING, YOU WON'T MAKE IT TO THE 23,000.

BUT IF EVERYTHING GETS BUILT OUT, IT'LL BE 24,000.

AND AS A RESULT, WHEN YOU APPROVE PROJECTS, IT NEEDS TO GO.

IT NEEDS TO BE UNDER THE GUISE OF THE DUANY PLAN AND UNDER THAT URBAN OVERLAY ZONE CONCEPT THAT IT WAS LIKE THE COMMISSION'S GOING TO GET IN AND INSTEAD OF GETTING BEAT UP AND HAVE EVERYBODY ANGRY AT EVERY MEETING, IT WAS GOING TO PARTICIPATE WITH THE DEVELOPER AND MAKE IT INTERESTING AND ADD THINGS TO IT TO MAKE IT MELD WITH THE COMMUNITY MORE AND MAKE IT MORE A PART OF STEWARD.

AND WE WANT AWNINGS, OR WE WANT BENCHES, OR WE WANT SHADE TREES OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT BIKE RACKS AND WIDER SIDEWALKS.

AND MAYBE IT'S NOT AN INDUSTRY STANDARD, BUT IT WAS DESIGNED TO GIVE THE COMMISSION AN OPPORTUNITY TO GRANT THE REQUEST, BUT AT THE SAME TIME TO INCORPORATE INTO MOLD, INTO THAT REQUEST WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS WERE FEELING FROM THE NEIGHBORS AS IT RELATES TO WHAT MAKES STEWARD ECLECTIC AND INTERESTING.

WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE ADVENT OF SOCIAL MEDIA IS THAT INSTEAD OF IT BEING, LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND MOLD THIS INTO SOMETHING CREATIVE, IT'S TURNED INTO A IF YOU GRANT THIS, YOU'RE JUST DEVELOPING ONE MORE APARTMENT COMPLEX AND RUINING STUART AND AND THE TRUTH IS, THAT'S NOT HOW IT SHOULD BE.

THE COMMISSION SHOULD SET POLICIES.

AND IF IT IS THAT YOU DON'T WANT ANY MORE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, THEN WE NEED YOU TO AMEND THE CODE AND SAY, NO MORE MULTIFAMILY.

AND IF WE WANT TO HAVE NO MORE PEOPLE, WE NEED TO PUT SIGNS UP AND SAY, NO MORE PEOPLE.

BUT IT CAN'T BE THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE A CODE THAT THAT TELLS PEOPLE THAT HERE'S OUR FUTURE LAND USES AND HERE'S OUR DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN WHEN THEY COME THROUGH THERE, THEY'RE VILLAINS.

AND AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE FACING.

AND I WILL CONTINUE UPDATING YOU.

BUT THE TRUTH IS, UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU CAN SEE THE CITY IS STEWART REALLY ISN'T MUCH DIFFERENT.

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BUT OVERALL, FROM ROUGHLY 1980 TILL NOW, THERE WAS ABOUT 12 TO 13,000 PEOPLE IN 1980, AND THERE'S 18,000 PEOPLE NOW. SO A 6000 PERSON CHANGE IS NOT A HUMONGOUS CHANGE.

6000 PEOPLE WOULD NOT HAVE JUSTIFIED THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE, I'LL PROMISE YOU THAT.

AND IN FACT, 65,000 PEOPLE A DAY GO OVER IT.

YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MEASURE 6000 PEOPLE TRAFFIC IMPACT ON THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE AT ALL BECAUSE THE VOLUME IS SO HEAVY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO UPDATE YOU AND SHOW YOU THAT THE CITY OF STUART ISN'T ACTUALLY THE TRAFFIC AND THAT IT'S SOME OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE? THIS IS ALL PART OF MARTIN COUNTY'S COMP PLAN TOO.

SO IT TOO IS NOT A BIG DEAL.

AND THOSE GROWTH RATES, JUST SO YOU KNOW, AND I DID THEM AND I DON'T HAVE THEM.

THE CITY OF STUARTS GROWTH RATE FROM 2010 TO 2020 WAS 1.1% PER YEAR.

IS IT NOW FROM 2000 TO 2010 IT WAS A LITTLE LOWER.

IT WAS 0.6% PER YEAR.

BUT I WILL SAY THERE WAS A RECESSION IN 2007, EIGHT, NINE AND TEN.

SO THERE WAS SOME GROWTH DROP OFF.

AND WITH THE EXCEPTION, I THINK, OF 1970, MOST OF THE GROWTH RATE IN THE CITY OF STUART WAS RIGHT AROUND 2% OR LESS.

AND MOST OF THE GROWTH GROWTH RATE IN THE COUNTY HAS BEEN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE THEIR FIRST FEW YEARS, UNDER 3%.

AND I THINK FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS, MARTIN COUNTY'S GROWTH RATE HAS BEEN A LITTLE OVER 1% AS WELL.

IT HASN'T BEEN THIS OVERWHELMING GROWTH.

BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT PORT SAINT LUCIE TO OUR NORTH, THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF GROWTH.

AND WE FEEL THAT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS THAT COME DOWN REGULARLY AND IT'S FINE.

WE WE ALL GET ALONG AND IT'S GREAT.

AND WHEN YOU GO DOWNTOWN, SEE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ON THE WATERFRONT ENJOYING THEMSELVES, IT'S ALL WE WELCOME, EVERYBODY.

AND THAT'S THAT'S WONDERFUL.

BUT WE HAVE TO DECIDE DO WE WANT MORE ROADS OR DO WE WANT TO SAY, OH, THE TRAFFIC'S REALLY NOT THAT BAD? AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE SEEING IT ALL.

THANK YOU. I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, MADAM MAYOR.

YES, MR. MARTEL. OH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY OKAY.

FOR YOUR MICROPHONE, PLEASE, MA'AM.

SORRY. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT AS THE CHAIRPERSON, I'M THE ONE THAT HAS THE CONTROL UP HERE.

AND I DO THAT BECAUSE I NEED TO KEEP THE CONTROL.

GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

SO I WISH YOU HAD PUT THIS UP, BUT MAYBE IT WOULD PROBABLY BE CONTROVERSIAL, BUT JUST TO.

WHEN WE WERE IN THE THROES OF STUDYING.

FOR THE BRIGHT LINE, I THINK THE CITY HAD DONE SOME STUDIES AND WE HAD HAD A MAP OR A PICTURE, EITHER FROM OURSELVES OR FROM OUR CONSULTANT.

BUT I THINK YOU PROBABLY WILL KNOW THIS.

AND IT HAD SHOWED ALL THESE ZIP CODES OF PEOPLE JUST COME IN AND WHO HAVE USED THE DOWNTOWN AND SO ON.

AND THAT PARTICULAR THING WASN'T ON THERE.

BUT AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE AND PEOPLE THERE WERE PEOPLE FOR AND AGAINST BRIGHT LINE AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

BUT WE DID THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE THAT WAS JUST I WOULDN'T SAY IT WAS A TIP OF ICEBERG OR ANYTHING, BUT IT WAS JUST ANOTHER THING THAT SHOWED US IN REALITY WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING AND HOW OTHER FACTORS AND OTHER PEOPLE IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY, WHETHER WE WANT TO OR NOT.

AND DO WE WANT TO PUT UP SIGNS? HOW MUCH WILL IT COST US TO PUT UP A BIG WALL AROUND STEWART? RIGHT NOW I JUST HAVE WHO WE WANT TO HAVE DROP IN BY BY DRONE AND NOBODY ELSE.

SO I MEAN, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, NEXT MONTH I WILL DO MORE OF THE ECONOMIC ENGINE AND THE TOURISM SIDE OF IT, WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE BRIGHT LINE AND THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES THAT COME FORWARD. AND I'LL INCLUDE THOSE SLIDES THAT SHOWED US THAT WE HAD ABOUT 1.8 MILLION VISITORS COME TO MARTIN COUNTY EVERY YEAR, AND WHERE THEY'RE MADE UP OF AND WHERE THEY COME FROM AND HOW THEY GET HERE.

AND I'LL ALSO DO SOME FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY STUDIES ON WHAT WE SEE IN THE CITY OF STUART AND HOW THAT IMPACTS US AS WELL.

AND IT WAS CALLED THE CATCHMENT AREA.

YEAH, YEAH. AND MOTHER, MAY I HAVE TWO OTHER THINGS.

NOT MUCH. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A COMMENT AND MAYBE IT MIGHT HELP YOU.

STUART. AND WHAT IS STUART? AND I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES WE'RE PROUD.

SOME PEOPLE SAY WE SHOULDN'T BE BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T LET IT OUT.

LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG AND BE A SECRET.

BUT PEOPLE SAY WHEN WE SAY THAT WE'RE THE COASTAL TOWN, OR WE'RE VOTED THIS OR WE'RE VOTED THAT, THE PERCEPTION OF STUART IS THAT WE'RE ALL THE WAY TO HUTCHINSON ISLAND, AND PEOPLE THINK OF STUART BEACH AS BEING STUART AND THAT KIND OF THING.

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AND SO THAT, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR PERCEPTION IS THERE.

AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER CLARK.

AND PEOPLE HAVE A MAILING ADDRESS THAT SAYS STUART.

SO IF SOMEONE LIVES OFF A COVE ROAD, HAS THEIR MAILING ADDRESS AND IT SAYS STUART ON AN ENVELOPE, THEY BELIEVE THEY LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS OF STUART.

AND THAT'S THE PERCEPTION. AND THAT'S OKAY.

AND I ALSO WANT TO REITERATE, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THIS MEANS YOU SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T APPROVE ANYTHING.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE COMMISSION COMMUNICATES WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND YOU GUYS HEAR BACK FROM THEM, AND YOU SHOULD DO WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST FOR STUART.

I JUST WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT I KEEP HEARING ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT HOW STUART HAS, LIKE, DESTROYED ITSELF IN THE LAST THREE YEARS OR TEN YEARS OR WHATEVER IT WAS. AND AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IT REALLY HAS BEEN FAIRLY CONSISTENT.

AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY YOU SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T APPROVE SOMETHING.

IT JUST MEANS DON'T BE MISLED BY SOCIAL MEDIA STATEMENTS THAT CLAIM ONE THING WHEN SOMETHING ELSE MIGHT BE THE CASE.

AND DO YOUR RESEARCH.

AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU SHOULD LET A DEVELOPER JUST BUILD TO THE MAXIMUM DENSITY ON A SPOT JUST BECAUSE HE CAN.

YOU SHOULD MAKE HIM BE HELD TO THAT HIGHER STANDARD AND STILL BE CONTINUING TO BE STRINGENT WITH THEM, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT GOT US HERE.

AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH DOING THAT AT ALL.

SO I'M NOT SUGGESTING TO HAVE A FREE FOR ALL.

BUT I ALSO WILL POINT OUT THAT IF IN FACT YOU WERE TO SAY HAVE A FREE FOR ALL, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T HAVE TO WORRY BECAUSE WE'LL STILL ONLY END UP WITH 24 TO 25,000 PEOPLE AS OUR POPULATION, BECAUSE THERE'S NO LAND LEFT AND THERE'S NOWHERE LEFT TO ANNEX BECAUSE THE BORDERS HAVE ALL BEEN BUILT ALREADY.

SO THERE'S NO INCENTIVE FOR ANYBODY TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY.

THERE MIGHT BE PATCHES HERE AND PATCHES THERE, BUT THERE.

THERE WILL NEVER BE A HUNDRED ACRES ANNEXED INTO THE CITY FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOWHERE TO ANNEX.

AND AS A RESULT, THEY'LL NEVER BE A TIME THAT STEWART REACHES THAT 25 TO 30,000 NUMBER, BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THAT THE SKY ISN'T ACTUALLY FALLING.

THANK YOU. THE THIRD THING, MADAM MAYOR, AND THAT'S MY LAST THING.

MAYBE THIS IS A JODY THING OR IT'S SOMETHING FOR THE FUTURE AGAIN.

MR. MARTEL, WHEN WE USED TO HAVE THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, THERE WERE ALL THESE EHR APPRAISAL AND REPORTS AND ANNUAL REPORTS AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES AND ALL THESE THINGS.

NOW WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, AND THERE'S DIFFERENT RULES AND DIFFERENT WAYS.

PLUS WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED THE STATE LEGISLATURE THAT DOES A LOT OF THINGS TO OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

AND SO IS THERE A ANNUAL REPORT JUST FOR THE CITIZENS PERSPECTIVE, JUST TRYING TO THAT WE HAVE TO REPORT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY ON OUR COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS, COMP PLAN CHANGES AND THAT KIND OF THING, JUST TO JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THE STATUS IS NOW AND HOW THINGS ARE DONE. SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACTS.

I THINK IT'S 164.1864.

WHATEVER IT IS SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE EVALUATION EVERY SEVEN YEARS.

OUR OWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS THAT WE WILL UPDATE THE BALANCE AND THE NEED BETWEEN OUR HOUSING NEEDS AND OUR COMMERCIAL NEEDS. EVERY THREE YEARS.

THE LAST TIME WE DID IT WAS IN 2017, AND IT'S ABOUT $50,000 TO DO IT.

AND THE REASON THAT I'M NOT SPENDING THE MONEY TO DO IT IS BECAUSE IF YOU DO THE STUDY, IT'LL SAY, WE NEED HOUSING.

AND THE CONSENSUS HAS BEEN TO LIMIT HOUSING.

AND SO I DON'T NEED TO SPEND 50 GRAND TO SAY WE NEED HOUSING.

JUST LIKE IT SAID IN 2017, 1513 1110 975321.

ALL OF THE 90S, ALL OF THE 80S, EVERY SINGLE REPORT WE'VE EVER DONE HAS SAID WE NEED MORE HOUSING.

NEVER ONCE HAVE WE DONE A REPORT OR HIRED SOMEBODY AND COME BACK AND HAVE IT NOT COME TO THAT CONCLUSION.

SO INSTEAD OF SPENDING $50,000 ON THE STUDY, JUST TELLING YOU STUDY IS GOING TO TELL YOU YOU NEED MORE HOUSING.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S A CONSENSUS THAT PEOPLE PERCEIVE THE POPULATION GROWTH AS AS THE NEGATIVE SIDE TO IT.

SO I DON'T DO THE STUDY.

THAT'S OKAY. THERE'S ENOUGH DEMAND FOR HOUSING ANYWAY.

SO WE JUST PLAYING ALONG.

BUT IT'S NOT THAT IT'S BEING IGNORED.

AND IT'S NOT THAT STAFF ISN'T AWARE OF IT.

WE DEAL WITH IT EVERY DAY.

IT'S JUST THAT WE ALSO KNOW THE THE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION AND THAT'S TO NOT GO IN THAT DIRECTION.

SO WE HAVEN'T. BUT PEOPLE MAY STILL COME IN WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL LAND USES THAT THEY MAY WANT TO CHANGE TO RESIDENTIAL AND WELL, AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE THE STATE TWO YEARS AGO PASSED THE LIVE LOCAL ACT AND IT SAID THAT ANY COMMERCIAL LAND CAN BE BUILT TO 30 UNITS AN ACRE AND

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THEY AMENDED IT LAST YEAR TO SAY THAT IT DOESN'T APPLY TO ANYTHING WITHIN 10,000FT OF AN ACTIVE RUNWAY.

AND I HAVE A MAP THAT I CAN SEE THAT SHOWS WHAT IT'S TWO 200FT ON EITHER SIDE OF THE RUNWAY AND 10,000FT OUT, AND THERE'S THREE ACTIVE RUNWAYS AT WITHAM FIELD THAT FALL INTO IT. BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF STUART STILL FALLS UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ACT BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL LIVE LOCAL ACT AMENDMENT WAS 10,000FT OF THE AIRPORT, WHICH WOULD HAVE COVERED ALL OF STUART OR MOST OF IT.

BUT WHAT WAS ULTIMATELY ADOPTED WAS JUST THE ACT OF RUNWAY LANGUAGE, SO DEVELOPERS COULD COME IN RIGHT NOW ON THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND BUILD THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.

THERE'S CERTAIN REGULATIONS AND COMPLIANCES AND PARKING AND AND OTHER ISSUES THAT PREVENT IT, BECAUSE OUR CODE IS RESTRICTIVE AS IT RELATES TO THE PARKING.

AND THAT WAS INTENDED BY THE 2001 REWRITE OF THE CODE TO MAKE IT SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE CAME FORWARD FOR THESE PROJECTS, THEY WOULD COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION SO THAT THE COMMISSION COULD HAVE INFLUENCE ON THOSE PROJECTS.

MAY I ADD SOMETHING? TODAY, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK IT WAS AROUND 130, BUT I WAS AT THE MARTIN MEMORIAL CLEVELAND CLINIC, DOCTOR SEEING, AND THERE WAS 20 OF US THAT ARE A ROUND TABLE.

AND BEFORE WE LEFT, THAT WAS HIS BIGGEST THING, THAT HE'S THE BIGGEST EMPLOYER IN THIS COUNTY.

3000 EMPLOYEES.

THEY NEED TO HIRE 300 MORE.

AND THEY'RE ALL COMING FROM MOST OF THEM OUT OF TOWN.

THERE'S JUST OTHER COMPANIES ARE WANTING TO MOVE HERE.

GOOD PAYING JOBS, BUT IT'S JUST NOT.

THE HOUSING IS FULL. YEAH.

THE REASON THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE COMING FROM OUT OF TOWN IS BECAUSE WE'RE FULL.

MADAM MAYOR, I'M SORRY, I HATE TO.

CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC THE ISO RATING, PLEASE, FOR OUR COMMUNITY? I WILL WHEN WE GET TO MANAGE YOUR COMMENTS.

I JUST COULDN'T RESIST THROWING THAT IN.

BUT IT'S AN INSURANCE RATING THE FIREFIGHTERS GET THAT'S HARD TO ACCOMPLISH.

AND ON FRIDAY THEY GOT NOTICE THAT THEY HAD JUST ACHIEVED IT AGAIN.

AND I KNEW THAT SOME OF THEM WERE HERE.

AND FOR ANYBODY THAT WAS LISTENING OR WATCHING THIS VIDEO, IT WAS ALL IN JEST.

I WASN'T TRYING TO OFFEND ANYBODY OR ANYTHING.

COME ON. IT WAS JUST FUN.

THANK YOU SIR. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I WANTED TO ADD TO THE PROBABLY KIND OF CUTE WHEN I WAS GROWING UP HERE, 69 AND 70S, WHEN ALL THESE 55 AND OLDER CONDOS CAME IN AND WE WE HATED IT, DIDN'T WANT ANY PART OF IT.

IT'S LIKE, OH MY GOD, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? ALL THESE OLD PEOPLE HERE.

BUT NOW AND WHEN THEY BUILT THEM, THEY JUST THEY DIDN'T SAVE ANY LAND.

IT'S JUST ALL CONCRETE.

AND OH MY GOSH, THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

BUT ANYWAY, IT SURE HAS CHANGED A LOT SINCE I WAS A LITTLE GIRL.

AS I'VE GOTTEN OLDER, I'VE LEARNED THAT SECOND FLOORS ARE A LOT MORE COMPLICATED THAN I USED TO THINK.

YES, SIR. NO, SIR.

FOLKS AREN'T SO OLD ANYMORE. COMMISSIONER COLLINS, MIKE, YOU'RE AN AMAZING LAWYER.

WE ARE BLESSED TO HAVE YOU.

AND I HOPE WHEN I'M CAMPAIGNING, YOU COME WITH THE SAME FERVOR OF HOW WE'VE OVER DEVELOPED.

I WON'T ARGUE WITH YOU BECAUSE I THINK IT'S POOR FORM AS MY CITY MANAGER, BUT.

PEOPLE ARE INCREDIBLY UPSET WITH THE APARTMENTS PRIMARILY.

AND I THINK MAYBE WHEN WE'RE NOT GOING DOOR TO DOOR HAVEN'T RECENTLY.

NOT SAYING YOU ARE DISCONNECTED, BUT IT CAN IT CAN BE EASY FOR, YOU KNOW, US AND OUR BUBBLE TO GET DISCONNECTED FROM, FROM HOW UPSET THEY ARE THAT THEY CAN'T GET TO THE STORE.

THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT GETTING IN CAR ACCIDENTS.

THERE'S EVER MORE TRAFFIC, AND IT WOULD BE ONE THING IF WE DIDN'T APPROVE THOUSANDS OF UNITS OVER A PRETTY SMALL PERIOD OF TIME.

MY NUMBERS THAT I HAD SEEN WERE PREVIOUSLY WHEN DAVE WAS HERE WERE SOMEWHERE AROUND 3000.

I SAW WHAT YOU PUT UP TODAY, BUT IT WAS THE THE HOUSING PIPELINE, 17 TO 20 WHENEVER I RAN.

BUT THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE CLEARLY FEEL A CERTAIN WAY.

RIGHT. BOTH OF US CAMPAIGNED ON ON.

YEAH. RIGHT. SO I ALSO INCREDIBLY.

LET ME HANG TIGHT I, I FOUGHT HARD NOT TO INTERRUPT AGAIN THE THE ZERO UNITS THERE.

YOU KNOW THAT'S IT'S TRUE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ZERO UNITS IN THAT TIME FRAME AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE PEOPLE VOTED THE WAY THEY DID.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ARGUE THAT I HOPE IN THE FUTURE THAT THESE DEVELOPMENT UPDATES WILL STAY IN THE REALM OF ACTUALLY UPDATING FOR WHAT DEVELOPMENT IS COMING IN THE PIPELINE, WHERE TODAY IT FELT MORE LIKE SORT OF A APOLOGETICS FOR WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE RECENT FUTURE.

AND AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO TO DO A PIPELINE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.

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AND I THINK EVEN WHEN YOU GUYS RAN, THE WORD WAS THAT THERE WERE 5000 UNITS APPROVED, 3000.

THERE WERE 3000 MORE COMING.

AND THE PEOPLE THAT WERE UPSET ABOUT THAT, THAT WERE LIVING IN THEIR HOMES, IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAD MULTIPLE PEOPLE KNOCKING ON THEIR DOORS MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK SAYING, HAVE YOU HEARD HOW MUCH DEVELOPMENT THE CITY OF STUART'S DOING? THE CITY OF STUART IS OVERBUILDING.

THE CITY OF STUART IS GOING TO BECOME BROWARD.

THE CITY OF STUART IS DOING THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER AND AND QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK A COMMISSIONER'S JOB IS TO DISSEMINATE ACCURATE INFORMATION AND TO RESPOND AS YOU HAVE TO, TO YOUR PUBLIC AND TO THE PEOPLE AND DO WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS BEST FOR THEM.

SO I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT IN ANY WAY.

I'M SAYING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE NO DEVELOPMENT OR NEW DEVELOPMENT OR LESS DEVELOPMENT OR MORE DEVELOPMENT, AND I DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF CAMPAIGNS OR ELECTIONS AT ALL.

I DID IT BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE DAY MY PHONE RINGS OFF THE HOOK WITH PEOPLE THAT CALL ME UP WITH MISINFORMATION, AND I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO CALL EVERYBODY BACK, BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF MISINFORMATION THAT IS BEING SPREAD AROUND ON DIFFERENT FORMS OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND DIFFERENT FORMS OF COMMUNICATION IS SUCH THAT I WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING UP ON THE BOARD TO SAY, LOOK, THIS IS BY THE WAY, THAT'S A STILL A HUGE NUMBER.

2300 IS A BIG NUMBER.

IT'S THE MOST EVER IN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RATIOS.

BUT AND I WOULD SAY GENERALLY THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE, ARE FEELING UPSET ABOUT WHEN I WAS GOING DOOR TO DOOR IS THAT WHEN THEY BRING THIS UP, YOU KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE.

IT'S OH, IT'S ALL IT'S PORT SAINT LUCIE AND MARTIN COUNTY AT LARGE.

MEANWHILE, MEANWHILE, WE APPROVED ALL OF THOSE APARTMENTS.

YOU KNOW, ONLY 60% OF THEM HAVE BEEN BUILT, SO THE TRAFFIC CAN'T BE THEM.

AND THE REASON WE APPROVE THEM IS BECAUSE THE STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE DRIVING IN FOR THEIR JOBS.

SO IF THEY LIVED HERE, THEY WOULDN'T BE DRIVING TO THAT POINT, TRAFFIC TO THAT POINT.

WE CANNOT CONTROL WHO LIVES IN THE UNITS THAT WE BRING INTO EXISTENCE.

CORRECT? WELL, AND SO THE ASSUMPTION THAT IF YOU BUILD AN APARTMENT THAT SOMEBODY'S IS GOING TO SELL THEIR HOUSE IN PORT SAINT LUCIE AND PAY $3,000 A MONTH TO LIVE IN AN APARTMENT IN THE CITY SO THAT THEY CAN WORK IN THE CITY IS FAKE.

WELL, IT'S AN ASSUMPTION.

IT'S RIGHT, BUT CORRECT.

IT'S A PLANNING. AND WHAT WE END UP DOING IS PEOPLE FROM PORT SAINT LUCIE ARE STILL DRIVING TO COME INTO WORK.

BUT NOW WE'VE CREATED A SPACE FOR PEOPLE FROM MIAMI AND FORT LAUDERDALE AND NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY TO COME HAVE AN APARTMENT AND LIVE HERE, ESPECIALLY DURING COVID.

WELL, WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN, WHICH IS THE MORE WELL-ROUNDED WAY TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE DONE LIVE HERE, DON'T GET JOBS HERE AND DRIVE TO PORT SAINT LUCIE TO WORK.

AND THEY DON'T GET JOBS HERE AND DRIVE TO SAINT LUCIE COUNTY TO WORK.

AND THAT THEY ACTUALLY DO, IN FACT, WORK IN STUART.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE APARTMENT DWELLING FOLKS WORK IN STUART.

YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT.

YOU CAN. YOU CAN TALK TO THEM AND YOU CAN GET THE DATA.

WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT PULLING THESE PEOPLE'S DATA PULLS.

IT SOUNDS NICE, BUT BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THE AND AND I SUPPOSE THAT'S WHAT I'LL ADD TO IT.

SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE WHERE THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING.

BUT THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN STUART AND DRIVE TO OTHER PLACES FOR JOBS.

THERE'S PEOPLE THAT BUY HOUSES IN STUART FOR VACATION HOMES AND BUT NOBODY RENTS AN APARTMENT FOR A VACATION HOME.

THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S A RENTAL.

DOCTOR SINGH.

TODAY, IF DOCTOR SINGH, THE PRESIDENT OF CLEVELAND CLINIC, 300 MEN AND WOMEN NURSES, TRAVELING NURSES THAT ARE HERE AND PROBABLY LIVING IN SOME OF THESE APARTMENTS AND STUFF, PEOPLE COME FROM ALL AROUND.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO LIVE.

AND TO COMMISSIONER COLLINS POINT, I MEAN, THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT IF YOU BUILT A 400 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX NEXT DOOR TO CITY HALL, YOU WOULD SEE AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC ON FLAGLER AVENUE.

I MEAN, THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THAT WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE APARTMENTS ARE LOCATED IN PLACES THAT THE TRAFFIC IS ANTICIPATED OR THE VOLUME CAN HAPPEN.

AND THE REALITY IS THERE'S A 400 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEXES GOING UP ANYWHERE IN STUART.

BUT EITHER WAY, THE NUMBERS ARE THAT YOU'D WANT THEM SPREAD OUT.

AND I DIDN'T PUT THE MAP UP AND I DIDN'T SHOW WHERE THEY WERE, BUT THE THE APARTMENTS ARE ACTUALLY ALL OVER STUART.

IT WASN'T LIKE IT WAS ONE CORRIDOR OF APARTMENTS.

THERE'S SOME NORTH OF THE BRIDGE, SOME SOUTH, SOME AS FAR AS SOUTH AS INDIAN STREET, SOME ON COMMERCE, SOME OVER THERE BY THE INDIAN INDIAN STREET BRIDGE.

SO THEY WERE MOVED AROUND AND, AND IT WAS IN REACTION TO FIVE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS, A DEO STUDY AND OTHER STUFF THAT CAUSED THAT COMMISSION TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT THEY MADE.

AND IRONICALLY, THE APARTMENT, THE AVERAGE APARTMENT WAS RENTING FOR ABOUT $2,400 A MONTH WHEN THE

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BUT THERE'S APARTMENTS NOW IN STUART AT THE NEWER PROJECTS THAT YOU CAN GET A22 FOR $1,900 A MONTH.

SO THE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE APARTMENTS HAVE ACTUALLY DROPPED THE AVERAGE PRICE BY ABOUT $500 A MONTH.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS OR DOESN'T MEAN.

AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, DOES IT MEAN WITH TOO MANY APARTMENTS AND THEREFORE THERE'S A GLUT, MAYBE.

WELL, I WOULD JUST SAY THIS IS THE LAST POINT I'LL MAKE IS DUE TO THE NATURE OF WHAT THE CITY IS, RIGHT.

IT'S THIS COMMERCIAL SEAT THAT WE SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL GOING FORWARD, AS POTENTIALLY SEACOAST COULD GO UP FOR SALE.

AND BAPTIST CHURCH, THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT EDENMORE NEXT.

THESE ARE ALL PLACES WHERE POTENTIALLY APARTMENTS COULD EXIST.

AND MY HOPE IS THAT GIVEN THE THE HERITAGE OF OF THIS PLACE INFRASTRUCTURE WISE, THAT WE INTENTIONALLY CHOSE NARROW ROADS, SORT OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE POINTING OUT THAT THE CITY IS PARTICULARLY AND ALL OF THE THROUGH TRAFFIC FROM EVERYWHERE ELSE.

THE CITY IS PARTICULARLY VULNERABLE TO POOR LEVEL OF SERVICE ON ROADS.

IF WE OVER DEVELOP IT.

SO MY HOPE IS JUST GOING FORWARD, AND I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR AT LEAST MOST OF THE RESIDENTS, THAT WE DO NOT CONTINUE THE PATH PREVIOUSLY OF MORE AND MORE, YOU KNOW, APARTMENT APPROVALS.

AND I'LL STOP RANTING.

I WANT TO COMMENT ON WHAT POLICIES YOU GO FORWARD WITH OR NOT.

WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS PUT UP THE NUMBERS AND SHOW WHAT THE TRUTH IS, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE'RE BUILT OUT, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE BUILT OUT, WE ARE GOING TO REDEVELOP, RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY.

THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU.

GREAT. I JUST WANT TO SAY GOOD REPORT, MIKE.

YOUR REPORT. OKAY.

WE'RE THROUGH. I THINK SO.

ALL RIGHT. MOVE ON.

DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? NO. I'M GOOD, THANK YOU.

OKAY, GOOD. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON, THEN.

COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONER.

TROY. YOU SAID YOU WANT TO GO.

[COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS]

MADAM MAYOR. A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE IS I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING MIKE'S REPORT ON THE ISO ONE.

I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE THE CHIEF AND THE ENTIRE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS WORKED VERY HARD ON.

AND WE SHOULD ALL BE VERY PROUD OF TO HAVE THE ONLY, I THINK, IN THE REGION, NOT JUST THE COUNTY, BUT THE REGION.

SO I THINK THAT'S FABULOUS AND CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THE HARD WORK FROM EVERYBODY.

LAST I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE WEEK BEFORE I GOT CONTACTED BY A GROUP OF RESIDENTS OVER ON RIVER POINT DRIVE REGARDING SOME PARKING ISSUES ON THE SIDE OF THE SOME RIGHT OF WAY PARKING.

MR. MORTEL HAS BEEN.

MIKE'S BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, AND I THINK HE CAN GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT.

DO YOU WANT TO DO IT ON YOUR UNDER YOUR.

I WILL BE. AND BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT TALK TO SOME GREAT FOLKS OVER THERE.

WE'RE GOING TO GET DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET YOUR SITUATION RESOLVED.

OKAY. SO AND LAST THING WAS, WE HAD A I GUESS IT WAS THE MEMORIAL DAY PARADE WAS IT WAS A REALLY GOOD PARADE. IT WAS QUITE A SCORCHER.

BUT EVERYBODY SURVIVED.

IT'S ALWAYS I ALWAYS LOVE COMING OUT TO THE PARADE AND SEEING ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT AT THE PARADE AND AT THE AT THE SERVICES REMEMBERING THE, OUR EVERYBODY, PEOPLE WHO WHO GAVE IT ALL FOR OUR COUNTRY.

AND IT'S A SOLEMN MOMENT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU EVER KNOWN ANYBODY THAT DID NOT MAKE IT THROUGH THEIR TERM AND TIME IN THE SERVICE.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY OTHER WAY THROUGH? YEAH. UNLESS YOU'RE. WHICH WAY ARE YOU COMING DOWN, CLARK? ARE YOU GOING TO LET ME SPEAK FIVE TIMES AGAIN? NO, I'M JUST GOOD. I'LL COME.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT TODAY WHEN WE HONORED THE THE WATER DEPARTMENT, I THINK WE HAD QUITE A FEW WATER PEOPLE HAD SPENT A LOT OF YEARS.

NUMBER ONE, THAT'S JUST TELLING AS TO THE EXPERIENCE AND THE GREAT WORK THAT'S GOING ON IN THE WATER DEPARTMENT THAT SO MANY OF THEM HAVE SPENT SO LONG WITH OUR CITY AND THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE REVERSE OSMOSIS.

IT'S JUST AMAZING.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE PUBLIC IS ALLOWED TO TAKE A WATER CLASS OR SEE THE WATER DEPARTMENT IF THEY'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPEN HOUSE OR SOMETHING, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S IT'S A WONDERFUL THING.

AND I WANT TO JUST COMMEND MR. WOODSIDE AND MR. HUDSON OR UTILITY DIRECTORS AND MILTON AND EVERYBODY, BECAUSE MILTON IS RIGHT BESIDE THEM ALL THE TIME.

AND JUST KNOW THAT OUR WATER DEPARTMENT IS DOING A GOOD JOB.

EVERYBODY ON THAT SIDE IS REALLY DOING A GOOD JOB.

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WE HAVE ONE BIG RECREATION CENTER THAT'S A 10TH STREET RECREATION CENTER.

AND THIS WEEKEND THAT CENTER WAS SHINING.

THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT TO THE CENTER BECAUSE A YOUNG LADY IN OUR COMMUNITY AND HER TEAM WERE INSPIRED TO DO A PROGRAM CALLED TAKING BACK OUR CHILDREN, TAKING THE CHILDREN FROM THE STREETS, GIVING THEM VISION, GIVING THEM HOPE, GIVING THEM OPPORTUNITY. CHILDREN WERE THERE PLAYING BASKETBALL.

THEY WERE PLAYING GAMES.

THEY WERE LISTENING TO OTHERS.

THERE WAS A SPEAKER THERE, I THINK AN ARTIST, MR. WALLACE WAS THERE, AND THERE ARE OTHER SPEAKERS THERE, AND IT WAS JUST A REALLY GOOD TIME, AS ALTHEA WILEY FROM ALL MEDIA FOR ALL PEOPLE.

AND I JUST WANT TO COMMEND OUR RECREATION DEPARTMENT FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY DO WHEN ANYBODY HAS ANY EVENT AT THE 10TH STREET CENTER, HOW THE STAFF IS.

SO JESSICA IS JUST WAY OVER THE TOP.

AND MR. REDSTONE AND HIS TEAM, VERY GOOD TEAM THERE AT THE 10TH STREET.

AND I JUST WANT TO REALLY SAY THAT I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT MISS WILEY, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR SHERIFF DEPARTMENT WAS THERE AND SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CHILDREN STARTED OFF THE SUMMER ON THE RIGHT FOOT.

AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE MORE EVENTS.

I KNOW WE'VE HAD AN ISSUE IN EAST STEWART FOR THE JULY 4TH, AND I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN GET SOMETHING TOGETHER WITH THE COMMUNITY TO DO SOMETHING FOR 3 OR 4 HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON ON JULY 4TH, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS WE ALWAYS DO, TO TRY TO KEEP DOWN FIREWORKS THAT ARE BEING SENT ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT MAY POSSIBLY DESTROY HOMES THAT WILL TRY TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO TO, TO TO KIND OF CUT THAT OFF.

BUT IF WE COULD TRY TO DO AN EVENT, I WANT TO WORK WITH CITY MANAGER AND PROBABLY WORK WITH SOME COMMUNITY PEOPLE TO SEE HOW WE CAN DO THAT.

AND OF COURSE, ALWAYS PUT THE WORD OUT FOR FOLKS TO COME AND ENJOY THE FIREWORKS DOWNTOWN.

I WANTED TO ALSO SAY THAT ON THIS THURSDAY MORNING AT THE BLAKE LIBRARY AT 9 A.M., THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL BE MEETING PUBLIC IS INVITED PUBLIC AND SPEAK PUBLIC AND WATCH IT ON THEIR WHATEVER TV AT HOME OR COMPUTERS AT HOME, ONLINE, ONLINE, AT HOME.

IT'S A IT'S GOING TO BE POSTED LIKE A REGULAR BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING ON THEIR FACILITIES, THEIR BROADCASTING FACILITIES.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE THERE AT THE BLAKE LIBRARY ON THE 13TH OF JUNE AT 9 A.M.

AND ON THAT EVENING ON JUNE 13TH AT 6 P.M., THERE WILL BE A TOWN HALL MEETING AT THE 10TH STREET RECREATION CENTER.

AND THIS IS GOING TO FOCUS A LOT ON THE HISTORY OF EAST STEWART AND TRYING TO DO SOME THINGS IN THAT COMMUNITY, AND WE'RE REALLY ASKING PEOPLE TO COME OUT, EVERYBODY TO COME OUT, BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH SHARED KNOWLEDGE AND SHARED NEIGHBORHOOD AND REALLY GETTING THE THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE 13TH OF JUNE AT 6 P.M.

AT THE 10TH STREET RECREATION CENTER.

THAT'S IT, MADAM MAYOR.

THANK YOU. IF I'VE FORGOTTEN SOMETHING.

IT'S FINE. THANKS, COMMISSIONER COLLINS.

YES, I KNOW I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN A LOT ALREADY.

MY ONLY QUESTION I WANTED TO KIND OF BRING UP WAS WHEN WE WERE WHEN I WAS ELECTED THERE WAS A PILOT PROGRAM GOING ON WITH POPLAR CREEK POND TO TRY TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, LIMITING THE HERBICIDES THAT WERE GOING INTO OUR PONDS OVERALL.

SO THE THE IDEA WITH THE PILOT PROJECT WAS, YOU KNOW, PLANTING SOME OF THE COMPETITIVE NATIVE AQUATIC PLANTS.

AND YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF IT REMOVING MECHANICALLY WEEDS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST JUST THE HERBICIDES AND SORT OF SEEING IF WE COULD GET AWAY FROM USING AS MUCH OF THE HERBICIDE.

AND JOE JOE GIGLIO WAS THE ONE THAT WAS KIND OF HEADING THAT UP WITH MILTON AND SOME OF THE GUYS, BUT I WANTED TO REHASH THAT AND BRING IT UP BECAUSE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T A COMPLETELY DEFINED TIMELINE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.

I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT LIKE A YEAR OR SO AND WE'RE KIND OF THERE NOW.

SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS SEE IF WE COULD GET SOME KIND OF PRESENTATION.

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AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT STARTING POINT, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOT GOING TO BE ANY PROGRESS ON THAT IF WE DON'T START TALKING ABOUT IT AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, FORMALLY THROUGH PRESENTATION WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE, HOW MUCH THEY COST AND WHAT WHAT TO DO.

SO I WANTED TO ASK IF WE COULD REHASH THAT, BRING THAT UP, MAYBE HAVE JOE SPEAK.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHO WOULD SPEAK IF IT'S MILTON.

I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT I'D LIKE TO BRING THAT BACK UP, WAS MY COMMENT.

NO, I HAVE NO COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

I JUST HAVE ONE.

IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE BROUGHT UP AT THE CRA, BUT WE HAVE WE HAVE ONLY WRAPPED ONE ONE TRAM AND THEY'RE JUST BEAUTIFUL.

SO I THINK I'VE MISUNDERSTOOD.

I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET ALL OF THE TRAMS WRAPPED, ONE AT A TIME OR WHATEVER, AND I'LL BRING IT BACK UP AT THE CRA MEETING.

COMMISSIONER COLLINS.

I MEAN, COMMISSIONER MCDONALD.

I'VE ALREADY GONE. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. AND, MANAGER I'LL START WITH THE JOE GIGLIO ISSUE.

[COMMENTS BY CITY MANAGER]

THERE WAS A MATTER WHERE HE WAS HIRED TO USE THE CREEK LAKE AT THE POPPLETON CREEK DOG PARK TO DO A KIND OF A PILOT PROGRAM.

AND HE GAVE US A REPORT ON THE FIRST WEEK OF APRIL, AND I THOUGHT THAT I HAD SHARED IT WITH THE COMMISSION, BUT I WILL SHARE IT.

AND THEN HE ALSO DID A PRESENTATION HERE IN CITY HALL A COUPLE OF WEEKS LATER, LIKE 5:00 PM ON A WEDNESDAY.

BUT I READ HIS REPORT AND I FOLLOWED UP AND SENT HIM SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS IN AN EMAIL AS IT RELATED TO HIS REPORT, AND HE DIDN'T GIVE ME ANY DIRECTION AS TO THOSE ISSUES.

AND HE HAD PLANTED SOME PLANTS AND INSTALLED SOME FISH.

AND I ASKED HIM VERY SPECIFICALLY WHAT HE RECOMMENDED AND HIS REPORT.

LIKE I MENTIONED TO YOU GUYS, I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU.

I JUST TRIED TO CLICK ON THE LINK FOR IT, BUT IT'S NOW EXPIRED, BUT I KNOW I HAVE IT SAVED AT MY DESKTOP.

ANYWAY, SAID TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO, BUT I WILL ORGANIZE DO PRESENTATIONS.

SO PROBABLY THE, THE THIS MEETING NEXT MONTH.

SO THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH WHERE WE HAVE PRESENTATIONS, BUT I'LL MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR HIM.

I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM SOUNDED A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

SO MAYBE IF THERE'S. WELL, THAT'S WHY.

SO I ASKED, I SENT HIM AN EMAIL TO CLARIFY HIS REPORT.

AND THEN HE RESPONDED TO THE EMAIL AT 2:23 P.M.

ON APRIL 11TH.

AND KIND OF DID RESPOND, BUT HE DIDN'T MAKE ANY OF THOSE CHANGES, BUT I'LL LET HIM SPEAK FOR HIMSELF.

AND SO WE'LL MAKE THAT ARRANGEMENT.

THAT'LL BE EASY. THE THANK YOU.

MIKE. I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, DARREN, OUR OUR IT DIRECTOR HAD HIS FIVE YEARS HERE AND HE MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE APRIL 2019.

BUT THE TRUTH OF IT IS, DARREN'S DONE QUITE A BIT FOR THE CITY OF STUART, AND WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LAUGHED AND THOUGHT THE BALLOONS WERE FUN, BUT IT WAS A VERY SERIOUS.

AND WE COULD HAVE BEEN FACING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, IF NOT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DAMAGES.

AND AND HE CAME IN AND POINTED OUT THAT PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING WE WERE DOING WAS WRONG.

WE WERE, BUT BUT WE WERE DOING IT WELL.

BUT AND WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO CORRECT A LOT OF THAT, AND I WANT TO THANK HIM BECAUSE IT REALLY HAS BROUGHT US INTO A MUCH BETTER LIGHT.

I ALSO WANT TO MENTION ON JULY 8TH WE ARE GOING TO TRY AND SCHEDULE THE FIRST BUDGET MEETING, AND I'LL TRY AND SCHEDULE IT JUST DIRECTLY PRIOR TO THE JULY MEETING, OR MAYBE EVEN INCORPORATE IT INTO THE 4:00 TIME I WAS GOING TO TRY AND DO IT FOR THE LAST MEETING OF JUNE, BUT THERE WAS CERTAIN MONEY SHARING THAT THE STATE REGULATES, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT BEFORE THEN ANYWAY.

SO I COULD TELL YOU THE EXPENDITURE SIDE OF THE BUDGET, BUT NOT THE REVENUE SIDE.

SO IT KIND OF WOULD DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

IT'S NOT AS GOOD BYE. IF WE WAIT AND DO IT ON JULY 8TH, IT'LL BE A BETTER PICTURE AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE FURTHER ALONG WITH SOME OF THE UNION NEGOTIATIONS AS WELL.

THAT'LL GIVE YOU A BETTER POSITION.

BUT MY GOAL IS JULY 8TH DIRECTLY PRIOR TO THE MEETING, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT SPECIALLY COORDINATED.

NEXT MATTER IS THE RIVER POINT DRIVE.

SO BACK IN LIKE 2019 OR 20, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION.

IT MAY EVEN BEEN BEFORE THAT ABOUT TRAILERS AND PARKS OR TRAILERS AND YARDS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

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AND THE DECISION WAS MADE THAT MULCH WASN'T ENOUGH, BUT THAT THE COMMISSION WAS LOOKING FOR SOME KIND OF HARDENED SURFACE AND I TOTALLY MISSED IT.

AND I DIDN'T GO TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT OR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND RUN IT BY THEM.

BUT WE KIND OF SAID, SURE, YOU CAN.

WE CAN CONTINUE DOING GRAVEL AND NEVER EVEN THOUGHT TWICE ABOUT IT.

SO DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT'S BEEN KIND OF LIKE, OKAY, GRAVEL IS OKAY.

ON MAY 24TH, THERE WAS A MEETING OF THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THE ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTS.

AND DURING THAT MEETING IT WAS DETERMINED THAT GRAVEL ACTUALLY ISN'T SUCH A GREAT IDEA.

AFTER ALL.

THERE'S A MULTIPLE MULTITUDE OF REASONS, BUT ONE OF THEM IS THAT THE APRON OF THE ROAD, WHEN CARS PULL ON AND OFF THE ROAD ONTO GRAVEL, IF PEOPLE HAVE A ROCK DRIVEWAY AND THEY'RE PULLING STRAIGHT ON AND THE PERPENDICULAR MANNER, IT DOESN'T DO AS MUCH DAMAGE.

BUT WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE PARALLEL PARKING AND COMING ON AND OFF, THEY CAN SLOWLY CRUMBLE THE APRON OF THE ROAD.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY CAN PUSH AND PULL GRAVEL ONTO THE ROAD, AND IF A CAR TRIES TO STOP QUICKLY, THE GRAVEL ROLLS LIKE MARBLES AND CAN CAUSE DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.

NOW, DON'T GET ME WRONG, SOME OF THESE DRIVEWAYS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 1940, SO I'M GUESSING THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY SAFE.

BUT THERE'S NOTHING LIKE A THE GOVERNMENT OVERREACTING THAT CAN MAKE THAT BETTER.

AND SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE SENT OUT NOTICES TO SOME RESIDENTS, AND THERE WAS AND AGAIN, PART OF THIS STARTED BECAUSE OF SOME COMPLAINTS WE'D RECEIVED AS WELL. AND THE NOTICES WERE INTENDED TO BE LESS ASSERTIVE, BUT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE WRITTEN WORD SOMETIMES COMES ACROSS STRONGER THAN IT IS.

IN ANY EVENT EVERYTHING WE SAID, WE'VE CHANGED OUR MIND.

JUST IGNORE THEM. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.

IT'S NOT THAT BAD. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WHAT I, AFTER LOOKING AT IT, MEETING WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, MEETING WITH STAFF, THESE.

WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT PEOPLE IN THEIR IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ROADS ARE REALLY 40FT WIDE, BUT A LOT OF THE PAVED AREAS ARE 20FT WIDE.

SO THEN THERE'S ROUGHLY A TEN FOOT WIDE SIDE ON EITHER SIDE THAT'S SOD OR WHATEVER THE PEOPLE'S LANDSCAPING IS OR WHATEVER.

AND THEY OUR CODE REQUIRES THE OWNER ADJACENT TO THE ROAD TO MAINTAIN THAT PROPERTY.

BUT OVER THE YEARS, SOME PEOPLE HAVE PUT LIKE TEMPORARY OR THOSE SHORT PARKING SPACES IN BECAUSE WHEN CARS PULL ONTO THE GRASS, IT LEAVES RUTS AND AND OTHER THINGS.

AND SO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT RECEIVED A NOTICE, AND IT'S NOT EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE CITY OF STUART THAT HAS ONE OF THOSE HARDENED SURFACES.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE ONES THAT RECEIVE THE NOTICE, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THREATENING TO KILL ME THE MOST.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO ENTER INTO WHAT'S CALLED A REVOCABLE PERMIT, AND THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A FEE FOR IT.

I'M GOING TO SIT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND DRAFT IT, AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY GOING TO IDENTIFY THE LAND THAT'S BEING USED AS THAT HARDENED SURFACE.

IT'S GOING TO AGREE THAT IT WON'T EXPAND, AND THAT IF IT DOES EXPAND, THAT YOU WILL COME INTO THE CITY TO GET AN EXPANDED REVOCABLE PERMIT AND THAT YOU WILL ATTEMPT OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT, HOWEVER LONG, TO MAKE THAT HARDENED SURFACE BE PAVERS, BECAUSE WE WANT IT TO BE PERMEABLE AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO ROLL INTO THE STREET LIKE GRAVEL DOES.

HOWEVER, IT IS NOT GOING TO KISS YOU.

BLESS YOU. ISSUE ANY CITATIONS.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY CODE ENFORCEMENT HEARINGS.

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A SITUATION THAT REQUIRES YOU TO DO ANYTHING IN A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF DAYS.

THE IT WILL, THOUGH, REQUIRE YOU TO SIGN AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS PARKING SPACE IS ON PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, AND AS A RESULT, THOSE PARKING SPACES ON PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ARE ARE TECHNICALLY PUBLIC PARKING SPACES.

AND SO IT CAN'T BE THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HARDENED THE SURFACE IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY, THEY CAN TELL OTHER PEOPLE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK THERE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO THE TAXPAYERS.

AND IT ALSO IS GOING TO SAY THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO STORE PERSONAL PROPERTY IN THOSE RIGHT OF WAY AREAS.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T PARK YOUR CAR FOR A FEW DAYS IN A ROW, OR GO ON VACATION FOR A FEW DAYS AND COME BACK LATER AND YOUR CAR'S THERE.

THAT'S FINE. WHAT IT MEANS IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT CRATES AND BOXES AND STORAGE FACILITIES OR OR TRAILERS THAT ARE NOT HOOKED UP TO CARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND HAVE THEM ACTUALLY STORED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS TRIGGERING THE COMPLAINTS.

AND IT'S NOT JUST ONE PARTICULAR STREET THAT CAME OUT IN FULL TONIGHT, BUT IT'S IT'S THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AND WE WERE HAVING THESE COMPLAINTS AND IT REALLY ISN'T A BIG DEAL.

IT THAT THERE ARE GRAVEL PARKING SPACES AND THEY REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN A SIGNIFICANT HARM TO ANYBODY OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEARS.

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SO WE JUST WANT TO PROVIDE SOME CONSISTENCY.

SO OVER THE NEXT 20 OR 30 YEARS, AS THEY PROBABLY COME INTO PLAY MORE AND MORE, THEY'LL BE NUMBER ONE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IT'S CITY RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION ABOUT THAT LATER.

AND NUMBER TWO, NO STORAGE.

BUT I'M HOPING THAT THIS WEEK THOSE OF YOU THAT GOT THE LETTER NOTICE WILL RECEIVE A NEW ONE, A NEW COMMENT THAT ACTUALLY HAS THE REVOCABLE PERMIT. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE.

AND THEN LASTLY I SWEAR I WAS KIDDING.

IT WAS NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT IT IS.

I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THEY DID GET A ONE ISO RATING FRIDAY.

BUT THE THING ON THE MAP, WHEN I BACKED UP, THAT WAS JUST ALL IN FUN.

BUT THE ISO RATING IS A IS A REALLY DIFFICULT ACHIEVEMENT.

OUR CURRENT CHIEF INFLATION HAS MADE IT A MISSION OF HIS TO HAVE THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT ACHIEVE THAT RATING, AND HE'S MANAGED TO DO SO.

AND IT'S A REFLECTION ON HOW HARD ALL OF THE FIREFIGHTERS WORK, THEIR RESPONSE TIME AND THE LEVEL OF SAFETY THAT THEY'RE SEEING BY THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY.

AND THOSE COMMUNITIES WITH ISO RATINGS THAT AREN'T AS HIGH ACTUALLY HAVE HIGHER HOMEOWNER INSURANCE RATES.

SO OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT'S ONE ISO RATING IS REALLY QUITE AN ACHIEVEMENT, AND THEY DESERVE THE ACCOLADES FOR EARNING IT ON THEIR OWN.

BUT I ALSO JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE THAT FRIDAY THEY RECEIVED NOTICE THAT IT'S BEEN RENEWED AGAIN.

AND I ASKED VINCE IF I COULD GET A COPY OF THE LETTER AND HE DIDN'T HAVE IT.

SO I'M NOT 100% SURE HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH.

BUT HOPEFULLY WE WILL NOT MADE THIS UP TONIGHT, BUT THANK YOU.

AND THAT AND LASTLY ARE THE DIRECTOR OF OUR WATER TREATMENT OR OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS PETER COONAN.

AND I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIM AS COMMISSIONER CLARK WAS HERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I WAS READING THOSE EMAILS AND GOING BACK AND FORTH AND AND READING AND LISTENING TO YOU AND HOW YOU HANDLED IT, AND I THANK YOU.

[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

SECOND, GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY MISS CLARK.

DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? WELL, I KNOW, IS IT ABOUT THE AGENDA? OH, YEAH. NO, NO IT IS.

SHE'S ABOUT TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT'S ABOUT THE IT'S THE.

NO. SHE'S AT THE RIGHT TIME.

IT'S NOT AN AGENDA ITEM.

I HAPPEN TO KNOW IT'S ABOUT THE HARDENED DRIVEWAYS.

OH, THAT'LL BE PUBLIC COMMENT.

RIGHT. OKAY.

THIS IS ON THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

YEAH, RIGHT. OKAY.

YES. CORRECT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE AYE.

OKAY, NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT.

[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (Non-Agenda Related) (3 Minutes Max.)]

MR.. WALLENBERG, YOU'RE DOING THE ACID PRESERVING ORGANIC.

YOU'VE HAD TO WAIT A LONG TIME TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION THREE MINUTES TO THE AUDIENCE WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK A LOT LONGER THAN YOU KNOW? OKAY. YEARS BACK.

LIKE I SAY, ACCURATE INFORMATION IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL FOR YOU TO MAKE YOUR GOOD DECISIONS.

THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. I'LL COME DOWN FROM BREVARD COUNTY.

YEARS BACK, I EMAILED DOWN HERE SAYING THE SHORES OF OUR LAGOON WERE ACIDIC.

THEY REMOVED THE THE SHELL TO PAVE YOU FOR US.

ONE ROAD BED AND FOR RAILROAD BED IN 1900.

AND IT WAS AT THAT TIME THAT I'M SURE SOMEBODY PUT CALCIUM BEACH SAND IN YOUR MARINA, AND ALL THE POOP THAT HAD BEEN PRESERVED IN ACID FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS FLOATED UP AND STUNK UP YOUR CITY.

WELL. YOU MIGHT WANT TO GIVE ME MORE MINUTES.

I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING YOU.

OKAY, WELL, THE SHORES OF OUR LAGOON WAS WERE SHELL BACK IN 1900, AND THEY PULLED IT OFF TO PAVE THE ROAD BED FOR US ONE AND FOR HENRY FLAGLER TO MAKE RAILROAD BED.

YOU CAN YOU CAN'T RUN A TRAIN ON SUGAR SAND, BUT YOU CAN COMPRESS THE SHELL.

AND THAT CHANGED THE CHEMISTRY OF THE SHORE.

MY DAD WAS A FISH GUY 60 YEARS AGO, AND OUR SHORES WAS FOAM LIKE KNEE DEEP FOAM ALL UP AND DOWN.

WELL, NOW THAT CHEMISTRY IS GOING ON ON YOUR BEACHES, THAT FOAM IS YOUR SAND TURNING TO LIQUID.

AND THEN THAT'S WHY YOUR WATER IS CLOUDY AND WASHING AWAY.

[01:55:01]

WELL, I GO AHEAD.

BUT ANYWAY, WHAT I FOUND, IF YOU PUT THE SHELL BACK ON THE SHORE THE WAY IT USED TO BE, THAT CHEMISTRY.

ALL LIFE NEEDS CALCIUM.

IT WILL COME BACK HARD.

YOU WILL HAVE CLAMS, OYSTERS, FISH.

BUT DON'T PUT IT IN THE DEEP WATER.

THERE'S A THOUSAND TIMES MORE SURFACE AREA ON SAND THAN THERE IS ON SHELL.

AND THE ACID WORKS ON IT REAL FAST.

AND I CAN TAKE A BUCKET OF BEACH SAND AND PUT IT OVER IN LAKE OKEECHOBEE AND START AN ALGAE BLOOM.

RIGHT THEN. AND AND.

BUT THE CHEMISTRY NEEDS TO HAPPEN ON THE SHORE WHERE IT WAS REMOVED FROM.

I CAN GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL.

LIKE BEFORE STORMS, BAROMETRIC PRESSURE DROPS, MICROBUBBLES SWARM ON.

EVERYTHING THAT GOES TO EVERYTHING WORKS ITS WAY TO SHORE WHERE IT USED TO TURN AN IPA SHELL.

BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT FOAM IS CO2.

CALCIUM CARBONATE CACO3.

WELL, THAT'S A FOAM IS CO2.

BUT AT ONE GOING IN, THE WATER SPED UP THE CHEMISTRY BETWEEN YOUR PEE AND POOP AND MADE HARMLESS CALCIUM CHLORIDE SALT.

SO IN FRESHWATER RAIN EVENTS, IT ACTUALLY SWITCHED OVER TO CALCIUM CHLORIDE SALT.

BRANT, WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO.

AND I'LL HAVE ONE OF THE MEN THAT THAT UNDERSTAND THIS CALL YOU.

OKAY. WELL, I'M HAPPY TO TALK ON ONE ON ONE WITH ANY ONE OF YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU HEARING ME.

IT SAYS YOU'RE FROM FELLSMERE, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

THANK YOU. SIR. WHAT WAS HIS NAME? MR. WALLENBERG, W O H L E N B E R G.

GIVE ME A SHOUT. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU. DEBORAH WILSON, MISS WILSON.

I'M DEBORAH WILSON. I LIVE AT 500 SOUTHWEST NORTH RIVER POINT DRIVE.

I WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY, CHRIS, TO THANK YOU, BECAUSE ANYTIME I'VE REACHED OUT TO YOU ABOUT ANY ISSUE WITHIN THE CITY THAT I WAS CONFUSED OR DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOU IMMEDIATELY RESPONDED, MIKE, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR EMAILS, OKAY? WE WERE STUNNED. WE WERE SHOCKED.

WE WERE ANGRY. WE WERE LIKE, WHY US? WE ARE ROOTED HOMEOWNERS, FULL TIME RESIDENCES, TAX PAYERS, AND WE'VE DONE NOTHING FOR 20 YEARS BUT IMPROVE OUR PROPERTY BY THE REGULATIONS THAT WE ARE KNOWN THAT EXIST.

BUT ALL I'VE HEARD IN THIS RELATIONSHIP WAS ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE APRON OF THE ROAD.

I WISH AT SOME POINT ONE OF YOU COULD COME OUT AND ACTUALLY DRIVE ONTO OUR ROAD.

BECAUSE I TALKED WITH CHRIS ABOUT THIS TWO YEARS AGO AND WE DID GET A SIGN.

BUT FOR ME TO TELL PEOPLE TO COME VISIT ME AT MY HOME, I HAVE TO TELL THEM MAKE THE FIRST RIGHT AFTER THE WASHING MACHINE OR THE REFRIGERATOR ON PALM CITY ROAD.

IT'S EMBARRASSING.

ALSO, YOU PAVED PALM CITY ROAD BUT YOU NEVER BROUGHT THE RIVER.

POINT DRIVES INTEGRITY UP TO THE LEVEL OF PALM CITY ROAD.

SO IF YOU TURN ONTO PALM INTO ON STREET ON RIVER POINT DRIVE, YOU HAVE ALIGNMENT ISSUES WITH THE CARS.

YOU CAN GET WHIPLASH IF YOU COME AROUND THE CORNER TOO QUICKLY.

OKAY. THOSE ARE THE THINGS I WAS KIND OF HOPING THAT THIS PERSON THAT CAME IN WOULD HAVE NOTICED, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE EFFORT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN TO NOT HOLD US HARMLESS TO ANYTHING THAT WE DID, BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T DO IT DELIBERATELY.

AND WE LOVE THE LOOK OF OUR GRAVEL DRIVEWAY.

I DON'T WANT A LOT OF CEMENT BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE A LOT OF BUILDINGS.

I LIKE A LOT OF HOMES WITH GRASS AND FLOWERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO I WISH AT SOME POINT YOU COULD ALL TAKE A RIDE DOWN PALM CITY ROAD, TURN RIGHT AFTER THE WASHING MACHINE OR REFRIGERATOR AND BOTTOM OUT YOUR CAR ONTO RIVERFRONT DRIVE I.

IT IS A COUNTY ROAD.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY SAYS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO EMBRACE THE RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE RIVER POINT DRIVE IS A CITY ROAD AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE CITY OF STUART FIRE DEPARTMENT.

I LOVE THEM, I HAVE A SON WHO WORKS THERE FOR 17 YEARS.

HE'S A PARAMEDIC FIREMAN.

I'M NOT ALLOWED TO GIVE YOU HIS NAME BECAUSE I SWORE THAT I WOULD NEVER DO THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK IT UP NOW.

OKAY? BUT THANK YOU, CHRIS, FROM THE BOTTOM OF OUR HEART.

AND MIKE AND TROY AND CAMPBELL.

CAMPBELL ACTUALLY CAME AND VISITED.

DID YOU BOTTOM OUT? CAMPBELL I CAME AS WELL.

SO SEE, I CAME AS WELL.

OH, YOU BOTTOMED OUT TOO.

NO, I CAME, I CAME THERE AS WELL.

I WAS HOPING YOU WERE GOING TO SAY YOU BOTTOMED OUT.

YOU CAN CALL ME ANYTIME.

MY CAR IS A LITTLE HIGHER, I GUESS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BUT THANK YOU FOR COMING.

[02:00:02]

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE LETTER, MIKE.

OKAY. YES. MISS LOLLY.

FOLEY, I'LL SEE YOU. BACK.

TELL NICK WE SAID HELLO.

000. GOOD EVENING.

WAS ALTHEA 1724 TERRACE AND STEWART? I JUST WANT TO.

I'M VERY TIRED, BUT I JUST REALLY WANT TO JUST SAY THANK YOU, MR. MARTEL. CITY MANAGER.

I MEAN, HE STEPPED UP AT A POINT WHERE I WAS LIKE, DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO, BUT HE REALLY STEPPED UP.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CITY BEING A PART AND HELPING OUT BECAUSE THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME OF THE EVENT THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER IN A MATTER OF LESS THAN 60 DAYS BASED ON DONATIONS AND SPONSORSHIP. BECAUSE MY I DON'T LIKE TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITHOUT PUTTING THINGS INTO ACTION.

AND WE HAVE NO TIME TO WASTE WHEN IT COMES TO OUR CHILDREN.

WHETHER IT'S MY CHILD TODAY AND YOUR CHILD TOMORROW, WE REALLY HAVE TO GET AHEAD OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE IN OUR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE, AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S MY COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S EASTPORT SOLANO OR WHETHER IT'S PALM CITY OR SELFISH POINT, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH OUR CHILDREN IS BECOMING AN EPIDEMIC, AND WE HAVE TO STOP IT.

AND A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS FROM FORT PIERCE ACTUALLY JOINED AND CAME TO PARTNER WITH ME WITH THAT, WE HAD COMMISSIONER GAINES COME OUT BECAUSE THERE IS A NEED TO STOP THE VIOLENCE AND TO STOP ISSUES.

THAT IS HAPPENING IN THE, IN IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND IN ORDER TO STOP IT, WE REALLY HAVE TO GO ON THE CHILDREN'S, THE YOUNG PEOPLE'S TURF AND UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THEIR PAIN, THEIR DEPRESSIONS, THEIR ISSUES THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH. AND THAT'S WHAT TOBACCO IS TAKING BACK OUR CHILDREN.

SO I JUST REALLY THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THAT.

I THANK YOU FOR JOINING.

COMING IN MR. MARTELL AND THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB REALLY STEPPING UP.

WE'RE REALLY HELPING ME TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.

AND, MAYOR CLARK, I REALLY APPRECIATE.

I MEAN, COMMISSIONER, ATTORNEY.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MISS ANTHONY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU OUT THERE, MISS GILBERT.

LAURA GILBEY. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

MY NAME IS LAURA JOBEY.

I'M AT 2950 SOUTHEAST OCEAN BOULEVARD IN THE CITY OF STUART.

FIRST, I WANT TO THANK MR. MARTELL FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

IT WAS INFORMATIVE.

I WAS A LITTLE SHOCKED, THOUGH.

I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE IN COMPETITION WITH MARTIN COUNTY, PORT SAINT LUCIE, AND SAINT LUCIE COUNTY.

SO, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST THE UNIQUE TOWN THAT WE ARE.

AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE TALKING IN THE STREET IN RESTAURANTS.

IT'S NOT JUST SOCIAL MEDIA.

I KNOW THEY GET A LITTLE CRAZY, BUT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED.

PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED WITH THE GROWTH.

AND AS YOU SAID, THERE WERE ZERO NUMBER OF APARTMENTS THIS YEAR.

BUT IN REALITY, OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS THERE WERE ALMOST 3000 APARTMENTS APPROVED.

SO THE YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT A POINT NOW, WE'RE AT REDEVELOPMENT IN THIS CITY.

AND HOW WE GO FORWARD IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

YOU ARE ALL THE GUARDIANS OF THIS CITY.

AND TO MAINTAIN THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS CITY.

AND THAT NEEDS TO BE THAT WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES BEFORE YOU, IF HE'S LOOKING TO CHANGE SOMETHING FROM COMMERCIAL TO MULTI, OR HE'S LOOKING FOR MORE DENSITY, HE'S LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL OF LESS PARKING.

THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE IN THE COMP PLAN THAT VERY MUCH EVERY COMMISSIONER CAN SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT ALLOWING LESS PARKING.

YOU'RE PUTTING IN 18 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATIO IS, BUT IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN 18 UNITS, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 18 PARKING SPACES, HALF PARKING SPACES.

I SPENT A YEAR ON THE APL.

I MEAN, SOME OF THE REQUESTS ARE ALMOST LUDICROUS.

HALF A PARKING SPACE.

YOU SHOW ME HALF A CAR, I'LL GIVE YOU HALF A PARKING SPACE.

I MEAN, IT'S REALLY NOT.

I MEAN, IT IS, LIKE I SAID AGAIN, YOU ARE THE GUARDIANS OF THIS CITY, AND THE COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND THE REPORTS ARE REALLY NICE, BUT THEY ARE ON PAPER AND A LOT OF THEM ARE REALLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DOLLARS AND CENTS COMING IN.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS ABOUT STUART THAT YOU REALLY CAN'T EQUATE TO MONEY.

THEY ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T PURCHASE.

IT'S THE FIELD THAT PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY.

THE WAY IT LOOKS, THE THE CAMARADERIE IN THE TOWN, THE UNIQUENESS, THE SMALLNESS OF THE TOWN.

AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING A SMALL TOWN, BUT DO WE REALLY WANT TO JUST BECOME ANOTHER NOTHING COMMUNITY OR OR TOWN IN STEW IN FLORIDA? IS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO JUST BECOME ANOTHER NOTHING TOWN?

[02:05:03]

I'VE BEEN THERE, I LOVE IT.

AND AS FAR AS PEOPLE WANTING TO COME HERE, COME HERE, COME TO OUR RESTAURANTS, BUYING OUR BOUTIQUES, GO DOWNTOWN, ENJOY IT.

THERE IS NO REASON YOU HAVE TO LIVE HERE.

WE CANNOT KEEP MAKING APARTMENTS BECAUSE SOMEONE WANTS TO MOVE HERE.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A MOVIE. I THINK IT'S FIELD OF DREAMS. IT SAYS BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.

WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? IF YOU DON'T BUILD IT, THEY CAN'T COME.

THEY'LL JUST COME AND VISIT.

THANK YOU. MR. REED.

SEAN REID SO I'VE.

I'VE BEEN RUNNING A SPREADSHEET SINCE 2017 ON HISTORICAL DATA.

I KNOW I'M MISSING FOUR YEARS ACCORDING TO THE SLIDE, BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY 2846 UNITS APPROVED SINCE 2017.

SO IF I WENT BACK FURTHER, THAT NUMBER WOULD PROBABLY BE MUCH HIGHER.

THANK YOU.

CAN I GET A. SECOND?

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. FIRST WE GOT APPROVAL.

OH. I'M GOING TO AMEND MY MOTION TO MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

PULLING ITEM EIGHT.

SO, MOVED THAT A SECOND? YEAH, SECOND. WE'VE GOT AN APPROVAL.

WE'VE GOT A SECOND. NUMBER EIGHT.

RIGHT. THEN CAN I GET A.

YES. OKAY. I HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON PULLING EIGHT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT.

I MEAN, ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR THERE.

YEAH, THERE'S YOU DO SHAKING THEIR HEAD.

YES, BUT THAT'S ITEM EIGHT.

I BELIEVE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE.

GOT IT. OKAY.

BUT EIGHT IS OFF THE CONSENT CALENDAR, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO WE DON'T NEED PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT RIGHT NOW.

ALL RIGHT. EVERYTHING BUT EIGHT.

SO ANY COMMENT ON EIGHT? I SEE NONE.

WE DO, I DO, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE NEXT.

YOU'LL GET YOUR GET IT.

YEAH. YOU'LL GET YOUR TURN.

I CONFUSED IT I THIS IS THE VOTE IS FOR EVERYTHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA OTHER THAN ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, SIX, SEVEN AND NINE, THEY'RE PULLING EIGHT FOR DISCUSSION. EVERYBODY GOT IT.

WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

SO, MR..

ALL IN FAVOR? NO, I HAVE TO DO A ROLL CALL, IF I MAY.

COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES, COMMISSIONER.

COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER MCDONALD.

YES, VICE MAYOR RICH.

YES. MAYOR. BRUNER. YES.

OKAY, NOW WE WILL PULL A.

LADY, YOU WANT TO READ? EIGHT FOR ME, PLEASE? OF COURSE, MADAM MAYOR.

A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPROVING THE AWARD OF PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TO A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS.

NUMBER 2020 4-4 HUNDRED.

CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK FOR UNDERGROUNDING AND STREETSCAPE PROJECT.

WITH A PRICE NOT TO EXCEED $67,800 TO BURKHART CONSTRUCTION, INC.

OF WEST PALM BEACH.

PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

YEAH, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY SPECIFIC COMMENTS OR IF YOU JUST WANTED ME TO GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

YEAH. WAIT.

WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A PRESENTATION FIRST AND THEN AND THEN COMMENT.

YEAH, OKAY. SO THIS ITEM IS COMING BEFORE YOU.

STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE DESIGN FOR UNDERGROUNDING AND STREETSCAPE DESIGN FOR LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

WE WENT OUT FOR BID TWICE ON THIS PROJECT FOR UNDERGROUNDING AND SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE PROJECT.

THE FIRST BID, WHEN WE WENT OUT FOR THE BID, WE DIDN'T GET A PRICE PROPOSAL WITH THAT BID, WE REQUESTED THE PROPOSER TO PROVIDE A PRICE, BUT THEY FAILED TO PROVIDE IT.

SO WE REJECTED THAT BID.

AND THEN WE WENT OUT FOR A SECOND BID.

AND THE INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS ABOUT FOUR, 7.4 MILLION.

AND THEN THE BOARD'S AUDIT BOARD AUTHORIZED TO NEGOTIATE WITH THAT CONTRACTOR.

AND WE REVIEWED THE PRICE PROPOSAL AT THAT TIME AND FOUND A LOT OF ERRORS IN COMPUTATION.

THERE WERE SOME DISCREPANCIES IN PRICING AND QUANTITIES.

THERE WERE SOME DUPLICATIONS AND OVERLAP ON ON SOME OF THE ITEMS. SO BASED ON THE PRICE ANALYSIS, WE THOUGHT THE PRICE SHOULD HAVE GONE DOWN.

BUT THEN THE CONTRACTOR CAME BACK AND IT WAS ALMOST DOUBLED.

[02:10:02]

AND IF THAT, IF THAT PRICE PROPOSAL WAS FAIR AND REASONABLE.

SO THEREFORE WE REJECTED THE SECOND BID AS WELL.

SO THE CITY HAS HAD AN OPTION TO EITHER GO OUT FOR ANOTHER RFP, WHICH WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN THE SAME THING, OR CANCEL THE PROJECT, OR DO AN ALTERNATIVE PROCUREMENT METHOD, WHICH WAS THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AT RISK.

SO WE ADVERTISE FOR CMR, WHICH IS CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AT RISK AND RECEIVED ONE PROPOSAL FROM BURKHART CONSTRUCTION.

IT WILL BE A TWO PART CONTRACT.

FIRST PART IS A PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

AND THE SECOND PART, SHOULD THEY GET AWARDED, WOULD BE TO MANAGE THE CONSTRUCTION AND THAT ITEM WOULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT. THEY WOULD GUARANTEE A MAXIMUM PRICE FOR THE PROJECT AND THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL.

SO TODAY WE'RE JUST REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

THAT WILL INCLUDE REVIEWING OF THE EXISTING DESIGN MAKING SUGGESTIONS AND ALTERNATIVE TO DESIGN AND MATERIAL TO REDUCE COSTS. ADMINISTERING THE BID.

THEY ARE IN THE BUSINESS SO THEY THEY WILL ATTRACT MORE SUBCONTRACTORS.

SO WE ARE LIKELY TO GET A LOWER COST ON SOME OF THIS ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE, IN THE, IN THE DESIGN.

SO WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE PRICING IS FAIR AND REASONABLE.

THEY'LL ALSO DO TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN.

SO THAT WILL HELP US PHASE OUT THE PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE OFF THE STREETS AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE EXISTING BUSINESSES.

SO THAT'LL BE PART OF THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

THERE'LL BE MEETINGS, OUTREACH MEETINGS, MEETINGS WITH BUSINESSES.

AND THEN AT THE END, THEY'LL PROVIDE THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE FOR THE PROJECT.

THAT WILL INCLUDE THE STREETSCAPE AND THE UNDERGROUNDING.

SO TODAY, STAFF IS JUST REQUESTING APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 55 DASH 2024 TO AWARD CMAR CONTRACT TO BURKHART CONSTRUCTION FOR DOWNTOWN UNDERGROUNDING AND SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE PROJECT.

CAN I ASK LEAH? YEAH.

SO IF IF.

THANK YOU, MISS BURKHART CONSTRUCTION.

IT IT WAS A LOT OF STUFF AND I READ THROUGH MOST OF IT.

BUT JUST IN A GENERAL LEVEL, IF WE DO AGREE TO PAY THEM THE 6 OR $7000 TO DO THIS TWO PART THING. MY QUESTION IS, WHATEVER IT IS IN THIS AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE THAT WE WOULD HAVE WITH THEM IF WE DID THAT, ARE THEY ALWAYS GOING TO BE A THIRD PARTY OR ALMOST LIKE, I GUESS, OUR ADJACENT STAFF OR WHATEVER OUR PERSON AND NOT BE IN THE LONG RUN, EVEN WHEN WE HAVE A RFP GOING OUT THERE BE SOMETHING WHERE THERE'S A, I DON'T KNOW, I AND I'M NOT BLAMING THESE GUYS OR SAYING ANYTHING.

I JUST WANT TO FIND OUT.

ALMOST LIKE AN INSIDER TYPE TRADE TRADING WHERE THERE'S ENGINEERING FIRM OR SOMEBODY, WHETHER THEY'RE IN CONNECTICUT OR CALIFORNIA OR WHEREVER, THAT MAY HAVE CLOSE TIES BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SPECIALIZED FIELD AND I, I JUST HOW DO WE KNOW WHEN THEY PUT THAT? WHEN THEY CAST THAT NET OUT? YOU SAID THAT THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS THAT WE'RE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT'S INDEPENDENT OF THEM PER SE.

THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY THAT.

AND THAT'S YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE I'M GOING TO DEPEND ON YOU.

MAKE SURE IF WE DO ANYTHING, I JUST WANT, WE'RE GOING TO BE PROTECTED.

SO JUST CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD, ALL THAT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT IS THE CITY COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED, DO THEY WANT TO GO OUT TO A CONTRACTOR AT RISK BID, WHICH IS A $68,000 CHARGE, TO HAVE THIS COMPANY PUT TOGETHER THE EXACT PROPOSAL THAT IT WOULD CHARGE TO DO THE UNDERGROUNDING, IF, IN FACT, THEY COME BACK AND SAY THEY'LL DO IT FOR $100 OR $100 MILLION, IT STILL HAS TO COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL ANYWAY.

THIS IS JUST TO HAVE THEM DO THE DETERMINATION OF THE BID.

AND I ALSO SEEING SOME OF THE PUBLIC HERE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DEFINE WHERE THE UNDERGROUNDING IS TO TAKE PLACE.

THE UNDERGROUNDING WOULD BE FROM SAINT LUCIE BOULEVARD TO COLORADO AVENUE ON SEMINOLE STREET.

[02:15:03]

ALL RIGHT. WELL, THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING ON FLAGLER BECAUSE THE POWER LINES ARE ON OSCEOLA.

I JUST I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT.

AFTER WE DO THAT, IF WE AGREE TO LET THEM DO THE WORK, AND THEN LATER ON WE HEAR THAT, WELL, THERE'S PROBABLY NOBODY ELSE CAN THAT CAN DO THE WORK, AND I DON'T KNOW.

ANYHOW, I DO HAVE BURKHART IS HERE, SO THEY MAY.

YES. ADDRESS THAT. REALLY GOOD.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU PANEL.

THANK YOU SIR. SO I'M C.J.

ROADY WITH BURKHART CONSTRUCTION PROJECT MANAGER.

I'D BE THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THE PROJECT.

SO EVERYTHING WE DO IS ALL OPEN BOOK.

SO PART OF THE THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.

OPEN BOOK YOU WOULD YOU'LL SEE ALL OF THE BIDS.

SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL DEVELOP ALL THE BID DOCUMENTS AND WE'LL GET IT TO ALL THE POTENTIAL BIDDERS.

AND WE PRE-QUALIFY THOSE.

WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY WITH PRE-QUALIFYING, ALL THAT.

SO EVERY BID THAT WE GET BACK IN, YOU SEE EVERY BIT OF THAT, WE'LL PUT TOGETHER A SPREADSHEET WITH EVERY BID THAT COMES IN, AND YOU'LL SEE A SPREADSHEET OF EACH BIDDER THAT EVERYBODY THAT WAS SENT TO FOR THE BID PACKAGES, AS WELL AS EVERY BID WE RECEIVE.

SO YOU YOU'LL SEE EVERYTHING, TRANSPARENCY THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS.

THERE IS ALMOST 300 PAGES.

SO THERE'S ALMOST 300 PAGES THERE GOING THROUGH THAT.

I'M GLAD YOU'RE SAYING THAT.

HOW TRANSPARENT AND THE DIFFERENT STEPS.

AND TO GET US THERE.

AND I KNOW TRADITIONALLY CITY HAS STUART HAS NOT DONE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK AND PART OF THE GOOD PART ABOUT CONSTRUCTION MANAGER IS THE TRANSPARENCY.

SO ALTHOUGH AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF IT DOES MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GMP AND YOU GUYS APPROVE THAT, WE'LL ACT AS A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK AS WELL AS LIKE THE GC, THE CONTRACT WOULD BE TO US, BUT WE ARE LIKE AN EXTENSION OF THE CITY STAFF, I HEAR YOU.

SO THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRANSPARENCY IN THE PROCESS, YET STILL INDEPENDENT.

WHAT'D YOU SAY? YEAH, IT'S STILL INDEPENDENT.

AND WE HAVEN'T MY UNDERSTANDING WE'VE NOT DONE ONE OF THESE BEFORE.

AND PREVIOUSLY WHEN I WORKED FOR THE COUNTY, THEY WERE JUST LOOKING AT DOING THEIR FIRST.

I WAS ATTENDING A COUPLE OF MEETINGS SHORTLY BEFORE I CAME HERE.

THEY HAD NOT DONE ONE YET, AND I STILL DON'T THINK THEY'VE DONE ONE.

I'VE TALKED TO SARAH OVER THERE, SO IT'S SOMETHING NEW.

IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE.

YOU'RE ONLY LOCKED IN TODAY BY VOTING ON 67,800 FOR THEM TO GO OUT AND PUT TOGETHER AND GIVE US A PRICE, BASICALLY.

BUT WHEN WE DID IT THE STANDARD WAY, WHEN WE SENT OUT REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS, WE WERE GETTING VERY MINIMAL RESPONSES.

SO THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD THAT OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES HAVE USED.

WE JUST HAVEN'T. I KNOW COUNTY DIDN'T WELL, SO AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T.

MY UNDERSTANDING YOUR YOUR COMPANIES IN WEST PALM CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO WHEN WHEN WE GO OUT TO WE GO OUT AND LET'S SAY WE APPROVE THIS TODAY WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH THE FINAL DOCUMENT AND PRICE, THAT WILL BE THE MAXIMUM NOT TO EXCEED PRICE FOR THE FOR THE JOB.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

SO AND I WAS JUST THINKING IT REMINDS ME A LOT OF NOT THIS ISN'T DIRECTED AT YOU SO MUCH, BUT WITH CDBG GRANTS, WE HAVE TO SPEND A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY, WITH SOME WITH LAP CERTIFICATION, TO HAVE SOMEBODY MANAGE THOSE PROJECTS.

AND THIS IS THIS IS VERY MUCH SIMILAR TO THAT.

I THINK IT'S WE'VE BEEN WORKING AT UNDERGROUNDING THESE UTILITIES ON, ON SINCE BEFORE I CAME TO THE CITY COMMISSION THE FIRST TIME. I MEAN, IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN SOMETHING IT'S BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS.

I THINK IT'S A, I THINK THAT WE WE HAVE THE SEATS, WHETHER WE DO THE UNDERGROUNDING OR NOT, WE'RE DOING THE, THE STREETSCAPE.

BECAUSE SEMINOLE IS ONE OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S A WONDERFUL STREET THAT'S WITH SOME OF THE MOST VALUABLE PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF STUART ON IT.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REALLY KEEP THIS GOING.

SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE I THINK THAT WHEN WE GET THE PRICES IT WILL ACTUALLY BE CHEAPER BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE THE ACTUAL PRICE.

I THINK, I THINK THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WITH ALL THE ARPA MONEY AND SOME OTHER STUFF, PEOPLE WERE JUST BIDDING UP BECAUSE THEY WERE BUSY AND THEY COULD AND THEY WERE JUST HOPING THEY WOULD GET IT.

AND SO WE'LL SEE.

AND AND WE'LL ALSO AND I ALSO WORRY ABOUT WHATEVER WE GET A LOW BID THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CHANGE ORDERS.

SO BECAUSE THAT HAS HAPPENED ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION.

IS IT A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOVE TO APPROVE.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.

AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO. GO.

SO PANEL. THE FIRST NUMBER WAS WHAT.

VERY FIRST NUMBER.

OH WELL THE FIRST BID WE DIDN'T GET ANY PRICE PROPOSAL.

THE SECOND BID WE GOT IT WAS INITIALLY 7.4 MILLION AND THEN IT AND THEN IT JUMPED DOUBLE 14 AND

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OKAY. SO I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS.

ONE IS.

IF WE'RE GOING TO PUSH THE RISK ONTO THIS CONTRACTOR, I HAVE GOT TO BELIEVE THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO COME IN HIGHER.

RIGHT. BECAUSE IF HE KNOWS HE HAS TO EAT ALL THOSE CHANGES, HE IS NOT GOING TO OBLIGE HIMSELF AT THIS LOWER NUMBER.

I'M VERY WORRIED WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 70, $67,800 FOR A GUY TO COME BACK AND GIVE US A NUMBER IN 15, $15 MILLION.

AND I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO.

OKAY, FINE. GO AHEAD WITH THAT.

TO ME, THIS IS A WHOLE NEW DECISION.

THE DECISION WE'RE FACING NOW IS IF I HAVE $13 MILLION, WHAT IS THE BEST THING THE CITY CAN DO WITH THAT? AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT.

I REALLY WOULD LIKE THIS TO GO BACK TO THE CRB.

AND FOR THEM TO ANSWER THAT SIMPLE QUESTION, HERE'S $13 MILLION.

HERE'S $15 MILLION.

WHAT IS THE BEST THING THE CITY CAN DO? WE'VE GOT A TRAIN STATION.

COME IN. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES HERE.

I'M NOT SURE THIS IS IT.

NOW, I ALSO BELIEVE WE ASKED YOU TO SHOW US WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, THE STREETSCAPE, IF WE WITH THE NEW POWER POLES.

I BELIEVE I SHOWED THAT AT THE LAST PRESENTATION.

I DID NOT HAVE IT AT THIS PRESENTATION.

AND AGAIN, I WANT TO POINT OUT, IF WE DON'T DO THIS PROJECT, WE'RE GOING TO GET LARGE CONCRETE POLES IN OUR SIDEWALK.

I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE FOR 100 YEARS.

SO IT'S EITHER WE MOVE FORWARD AND COMPLETE THIS RIGHT NOW, OR WE'RE GOING TO BE STUCK WITH LARGE CONCRETE POLES, ABOUT TEN, 15 POLES IN OUR DOWNTOWN. I MEAN, 10 TO 15 OF THOSE CONCRETE POLES, THERE ARE ABOUT 20 POLES.

I COUNTED THERE ABOUT SIX ON OSCEOLA.

THERE WAS ABOUT 5 OR 6 ON COLORADO, FROM FROM FLAGLER TO SEMINOLE.

AND THEN ALSO DON'T FORGET SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE.

THERE'S SOME POLLS ON THERE AND THEN ON ON SAINT LUCIE THERE ABOUT 20 POLLS THAT WILL BE REPLACED WITH HARD, CONCRETE POLLS.

AND THAT'S GOING TO STAY FOR NEXT 100 YEARS.

RIGHT. SO IT'S OUR TIME TO MAKE THIS INVESTMENT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE ARE STUCK.

WELL, THE THING IS, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE INVESTMENT IS, RIGHT? BUT I'M SAYING WE WON'T KNOW.

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE BASE PRICE IS AT THIS POINT.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE A TYPE OF CONTRACT THE CITY HAS NEVER DONE OR THE COUNTY'S NEVER.

NEITHER HAS THE COUNTY EVER DONE THIS.

IF I UNDERSTAND, MR. BAGGETT'S COUNTY ATTORNEY, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

MR. BAGGETT, NEITHER THE CITY NOR THE COUNTY HAVE EVER ENTERED INTO THIS TYPE OF CONTRACT.

CORRECT. WHEN I WAS AT THE COUNTY, I ATTENDED MEETINGS.

THEY WERE JUST THEY WERE LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DONE CONTRACTS AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT DOING A PARTICULAR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

BUT I CHECKED WITH SARAH RECENTLY.

THEY NEVER HAVE GONE FORWARD WITH IT YET.

BUT AND MY UNDERSTANDING, OBVIOUSLY I'VE BEEN HERE A FEW MONTHS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'VE NEVER DONE ONE HERE, BUT.

RIGHT. BUT OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES HAVE USED IT.

I KNOW WE LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES CMR AGREEMENTS AND SO OTHER CITIES WERE USING IT JUST LOCALLY.

WE HAVEN'T. YEAH. I JUST WORRY WHEN YOU SHOVE THE RISK ONTO SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A TEMPTATION, YOU KNOW, TO DO TO BE GUILTY OF SHORTCUTS OR ALL THAT FINANCIAL BURDENS ON THEM, WHO YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL.

I JUST BELIEVE SO.

AND I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS AT THIS POINT.

AND ALSO WITH THE SECOND BID, EVEN IF IT DID COME, YOU KNOW, LIKE I MENTIONED, IT WAS DOUBLED TO ALMOST $14 MILLION AND THAT WAS STILL THE LOWEST BID.

SO THAT MEANS THEY COULD STILL COME BACK WITH CHANGE ORDERS.

SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED WITH THAT.

IN THIS CASE IT'D BE THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE CHANGE ORDERS AND IT'S GOING TO BE THE PRICE THAT THEY THEY STATE.

I JUST DON'T I MEAN, AT SOME POINT THE COMMISSION'S GOT TO SAY OUCH.

COULD WE SO I THINK IF, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A GOVERNMENT.

RIGHT. SO I AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT.

ACTUALLY. EXACTLY.

THIS MAKES ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

I'M SURPRISED THAT WE JUST MADE A MOTION AND SECONDED THIS SO FAST.

I KNOW THIS IS YOUR BABY PANEL.

I KNOW, AND THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS LET'S KILL YOUR BABY HERE.

OKAY, WELL, IT'S NOT JUST MY BABY.

IT'S FOR THE DOWNTOWN. I KNOW, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD ON.

AND I KNOW YOU'RE REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.

AND I KNOW NOBODY IN HERE WANTS TO SEE CONCRETE POLES, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME THRESHOLD WHERE THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE FINANCIALLY ANYMORE.

COMMISSIONER COLLINS, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION AND IT DOES.

THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW.

BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW YOU VOTE.

I CAN MAKE A MOTION. STILL SAY NO.

UNDERSTAND? OKAY. I UNDERSTAND.

WE'RE TALKING.

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IF IF THE BIDS THAT WE WERE GETTING ARE.

I REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST MAYBE NOT FIRST, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND WE WERE WINCING AT 4 MILLION, YOU KNOW, AND THEN 7 MILLION.

AND IT WAS ESPECIALLY WITH BRIGHTLINE COMING, AND MAYBE WE GOT TO TAKE OUT A NOTE FOR THAT AND HOPE THAT GRANTS COME IN.

THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY FLYING AROUND HERE.

AND AT WHAT POINT ARE WE TRYING TO SMASH, YOU KNOW, SQUARE PEG AND CIRCLE HOLE HERE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN? SO WE DON'T HAVE CONCRETE POLES? FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SEPARATED OUT HERE AS THE STREETSCAPE VERSUS THE UNDERGROUNDING.

I KNOW THE PEOPLE AROUND THERE WOULD REALLY LIKE THAT TO BE UPDATED AND PRETTY.

BUT FOR ME, FROM A PRICE TICKET STANDPOINT, EVEN AT 7 MILLION, THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

AND I CANNOT IMAGINE THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING WHERE THEY'RE LOSING MONEY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS SEPARATED OUT.

THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.

IF IT IF IT WAS DOWNTOWN.

PEOPLE CAN WALK, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE STREET RIGHT THERE.

AND IT'S NOT IDEAL.

BUT AGAIN, AT WHAT POINT FINANCIALLY IS IT LIKE $100 MILLION? IS IT TOO MUCH TO DO THIS? A 230 MILLION? WHAT'S THE NUMBER? WE SHOULD TAKE THIS BACK TO THE CRB AND TALK LIKE, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? WHAT'S WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE VERSUS JUST DON'T GET IN THE WAY OF PROGRESS, YOU KNOW.

DON'T. SO I WILL WITH THAT, I'LL SAY I'M ALSO VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS.

COMMISSIONER. MR..

COMMISSIONER. NO, NO.

CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? IS, IS IF THIS DOES GO THROUGH, IS WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING BACK GOING TO HAVE SEPARATE OPTIONS FOR STREETSCAPE VERSUS.

OKAY, THEY'RE DOING BOTH.

YOU WANT PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.

NO, I WANT TO SEE. OKAY.

HE IS MY MY MY THOUGHTS ARE I WOULD LIKE TO WE'RE SAYING OTHER.

NO OTHER COUNTIES HAVE DONE IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD CALL IF IT'S POSSIBLE.

A COUPLE COUNTIES THAT HAVE DONE IT.

THERE ARE OTHER COUNTIES AND CITIES THAT HAVE DONE IT AND AND THEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THOSE PROJECT.

CITY OF WEST PALM BEACH.

TOWN OF PALM BEACH.

CAN YOU CAN YOU GIVE THE LIST OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS? BURKHART CAN GIVE THAT.

YEAH, THAT. I CAN'T COMMENT, YOU CAN'T COMMENT? BACKUP OF THE DOCUMENTS.

THERE'S A THERE'S A BUNCH TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ON A FEW RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE DOING WORKING FOR THAT ARE SIMILAR PROJECTS.

TOWN OF PALM BEACH WERE THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK FOR UNDERGROUND IN THE ENTIRE ISLAND OF PALM BEACH? WEST PALM BEACH, WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS ACTIVE THAT ARE UNDERGROUNDING POMPANO BEACH.

WE HAVE ONE ACTIVE PROJECT IN HOLLYWOOD.

WE HAVE TWO ACTIVE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALL CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK, ALL SIMILAR PROJECTS WITH UNDERGROUNDING.

SO WE DO A LOT OF WORK IN BROWARD COUNTY AND PALM BEACH COUNTY WITH MULTIPLE MUNICIPALITIES THAT WITH THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK.

THANK YOU SIR. MISS BECKY, CAN I.

MAYOR. MAYOR BRUNER, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION, MISTER? YES. SORRY. GUESS I BETTER LEAVE YOU UP HERE.

THANK YOU. YEAH. SO I'LL SAY THIS.

I KNOW THAT SOUTH FLORIDA, ALL THE SOUTHERN SOUTH OF US, IS MUCH DIFFERENT, BUT FOR SMALL, LIKE, MAYBE 2 OR 3 STREETS. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THE AREA IS IN, IN HOLLYWOOD AND OTHER PLACES.

WHAT'S THE LOWEST PRICE FOR THE SMALLEST PROJECT FOR THE UNDERGROUND IN SMALLER SCALE? YEAH. SOMETHING THAT'S A COUPLE OF MILES OR A COUPLE OF.

WE'VE DONE. WE DO SMALLER PROJECTS AS WELL.

IT'S NOT ALL BIG PROJECTS IN SOUTH FLORIDA.

WE DO. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CENTRAL FLORIDA PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE THAT I KNOW THAT ARE SMALLER AND, YOU KNOW, 1 TO 2 MILLION RANGE THAT I'VE BEEN A PART OF SPECIFICALLY UNDERGROUNDING BALLPARK WITHOUT SPENDING 70 GRAND.

WHAT'S THAT? BALLPARK.

OH, I WON'T SPEAK ON THE COST OF THIS WITHOUT LOOKING INTO IT FURTHER.

THAT'D BE. YEAH, IRRESPONSIBLE.

SO. BUT FOR FOR JUST FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

YEAH. THAT'S OKAY.

WELL, WE HAVE TO ASK YOU ANSWER YOUR.

I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY, DO WE ONLY DO BECAUSE I NAMED A COUPLE OF LARGE PROJECTS THERE.

WE DO SMALL PROJECTS AS WELL.

SO IT'S NOT ALL LARGE PROJECTS.

WE WE ACTUALLY SPECIALIZE IN DOWNTOWN SMALL ENVIRONMENT CORRIDORS LIKE AND WEST PALM BEACH.

WE DID CLEMATIS STREET, WHICH WOULD BE A SIMILAR I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIGGER THAN DOWNTOWN STUART BUT SIMILAR TYPE DOWNTOWN STREETS.

WE DO A LOT OF THOSE IN SOUTH FLORIDA, SO I WISH WE WOULD HAVE STARTED ON THIS WHEN WE WERE SAYING NO, NO, NO EARLIER, RIGHT, RIGHT.

I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS GO FORWARD, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER THING AFTER TODAY.

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ADVANTAGES TO CONSTRUCTION MANAGER RISK.

ONE WITH THIS, WITH OUR SPECIALTY IN THIS AREA, WE ARE WORKING WITH 3 OR 4 SUBCONTRACTORS RIGHT NOW THAT DO THE UNDERGROUNDING WORK. SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET PROPOSALS FROM MULTIPLE PEOPLE HOPEFULLY ON THIS, WHICH I THINK IN THE PAST WAS PART OF THE ISSUES.

THIS IS A VERY SPECIALIZED PROJECT.

FIRST OF ALL, THEY HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY FPL TO BE ABLE TO DO THE WORK.

SO NOT EVERY ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR OUT THERE CAN EVEN PROPOSE ON THIS.

THEY HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY FPL.

AS FAR AS THE OTHER THINGS WE CAN GO THROUGH, AND WE CAN VET THE PLANS SO WE CAN GO THROUGH, WE CAN DO A FULL REVIEW OF THE PLANS, MAKE SURE THAT DO A CONSTRUCTABILITY REVIEW. WE CAN DO AN INITIAL EARLY ON COST ESTIMATE SO YOU GUYS CAN GET A BALLPARK NUMBER ON IT.

WE WORK WITH THE DESIGN TEAM TO GET ALL OF THOSE ITEMS CORRECTED.

IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES IN THE PLANS, AS WELL AS IF THERE'S SOME VALUE ENGINEERING THAT WE CAN DO DURING THE PROCESS.

SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT CREATES A VALUE TO THE CITIES.

IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE WE SHOULD BE USING THESE IN SOME MORE OF OUR PROJECTS JUST BECAUSE OF THE BECAUSE OF THE HAVING A MORE ACCURATE PRICE.

SO FLORIDA STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO FOLLOW PROCUREMENT AND GO FOR LOW BID.

AND AS A RESULT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SEALED BID UNLESS IT'S A SPECIALIZED CONTRACT IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, BECAUSE THE AS HE'S POINTING OUT, THE THE INSTALLATION OF FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT GRADE POWER LINES UNDERGROUND IS NOT YOUR REGULAR RUN OF THE DAY CONTRACTING WORK, AND AS A RESULT, IT'S A SPECIALIZED TYPE OF WORK AND IT WOULD QUALIFY FOR A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK.

WE COULDN'T DO ALL OF OUR BIDS AND ALL OF OUR PROJECTS UNDER THAT PRETEXT, BECAUSE PAVING A ROAD OR PAINTING A BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT PUTS THE EMPHASIS ON THE LOWEST BID, RECOGNIZING THAT ALL OF THE CONTRACTORS WOULD BE QUALIFIED TO PAINT THE BUILDING OR PUT THE ROOF ON, AND THEREFORE THEY REQUIRE THEM TO BID FOR LOW BID BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BID AGAINST EACH OTHER ON THE SEALED BID, BASED ON THE PRETEXT THAT THAT'S GOING TO LEAD TO A LOWER PRICE.

IN THE INSTANCE OF A VERY SPECIALIZED CONTRACT, SUCH AS HIGH VOLTAGE LINES BEING BURIED IN, YOU KNOW, UNDERGROUND.

THERE'S SO FEW CONTRACTORS THAT DO IT.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S PROCUREMENT OR NOT, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GETTING THAT TYPE OF COMPETITION TO TAKE PLACE AS FAR AS LOW BIDDING IS CONCERNED.

BUT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE RISKS OF A CMR CONTRACT IS THAT YOU DON'T GO TO LOW BID.

HOWEVER, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE SPECIALIZED NATURE OF IT THAT'S.

MADAM MAYOR. YEAH, YEAH.

THE RISK FOR THESE CONTRACTORS, THOUGH, IT'S NOT LOSING THE BID, IT'S EATING.

I MEAN, COPPER IS THE HIGHEST IT'S EVER BEEN.

I MEAN, I JUST BUILT A LITTLE ADU ON MY PROPERTY, AND THESE COSTS ARE NOT GOING DOWN.

I DON'T SEE THIS COMING IN AT A LOW NUMBER.

SO, AGAIN, I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN ABOUT PUTTING THAT RISK ON SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE DEGREE OF TRANSPARENT RESPONSIBILITY THAT THE CITY DOES. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A COMMUNITY RIP OUT THEIR UNDERGROUND LINES IN FLORIDA, REMOVE THEIR UNDERGROUND TO PUT IT BACK OVERHEAD? I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY.

OKAY. BECAUSE THAT IS HAPPENING ON THE WEST COAST IN SOME INSTANCES AFTER SOME OF THE STORM DAMAGE, IT'S JUST IT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE TO REPAIR.

AND SO IT IT CAN CREATE A DIFFICULT SITUATION.

I COULD DO THE SAME AT THE TIME.

NO. THAT'S FINALS.

ALL RIGHT. MAYOR? YES. ALL RIGHT.

I'M A SMALL BUSINESS GUY.

HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE THAT'S NOT ALLOCATED IN THE BUDGET? AND YOU'RE IN YOUR BANK ACCOUNT.

HOW MUCH IS IN THERE THAT'S NOT ALLOCATED ALLOCATED FOR THE PROJECT OR THAT THAT COULD BE USED? WHAT IS NOT ALLOCATED? I'M SORRY, I'M NOT FOLLOWING.

WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN YOUR ACCOUNT THAT IS NOT ALLOCATED ALREADY? IT'S MY FUND BALANCE, YOU MEAN.

YEAH, I PROBABLY I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT PROBABLY AROUND 10 TO $12 MILLION IN MY FUND BALANCE RIGHT NOW.

IT'S NOT ALLOCATED. NOT ALLOCATED.

AND IT COULD BE MORE IT WOULD BE USED FOR THIS AND IT WOULD BE USED FOR THE FOR THE BRIGHT LINE.

BUT UNTIL YOU GUYS ADOPT THE BUDGET, IT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING.

THIS I THINK THERE WAS 6 MILLION DEDICATED TO THIS ORIGINALLY 4.3 MILLION DEDICATED THIS YEAR FISCAL YEAR.

SO THAT MONEY IS IN THE ACCOUNT.

BUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING IT WOULD BE UNALLOCATED AND IT WOULD ROLL FORWARD TO THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE.

BECAUSE WHAT I'M GOING AT IS THIS HAS TO BE A REALLY IMPORTANT PRIORITY FOR US IF THIS REPRESENTS POTENTIALLY ALL OF OUR BUDGET, PLUS IF IT

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GETTING A NOTE FOR IT.

THIS HAS TO BE A REALLY, REALLY BIG DEAL THAT REALLY ADDS TO THE MISSION OF THE CRA, IF ESPECIALLY IF WE MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE OUT A NOTE TO DO IT.

OTHERWISE WE'RE WASTING 70 GRAND.

RIGHT. SO THE TAXPAYER MONEY, MONEY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE THIS YEAR IS GOING TO GO BACK INTO FUND BALANCE.

WE COULD END UP WITH ALMOST 15 TO $16 MILLION IN FUND BALANCE.

PLUS WE'RE GOING TO GET THE NEW TIF REVENUE NEXT YEAR IN FISCAL YEAR 2025 ADDITIONAL $6 MILLION.

SO WE HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS TO DO THIS PROJECT AND ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE PRIORITIZED BY THE CRB AND CRA.

AND GOD FORBID I HATE THE GUY DAVIS PARK OR THE TRAIN STATION AND GOD FORBID, I HATE TO EVEN SPEAK IT, BUT IF WE DIDN'T GET GRANT MONEY FOR THE STATION, WHAT ARE WE POTENTIALLY ON THE HOOK FOR? WELL, WE'RE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND WE ARE GOING TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR THE ENTIRE BALANCE OF THE STATION.

AND UNTIL WE GET GRANT MONEY REIMBURSING ANYWAY.

SO IT'S $30 MILLION, RIGHT? NO MATTER WHAT, THAT WE WILL THEN BE TRYING TO REPLACE.

SO IN THAT CONTEXT, THIS SEEMS LIKE NOT A GOOD IDEA TO ME, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY FROM LIKE A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT IS THE POINT I'M MAKING.

IF THIS IS MY SMALL BUSINESS AND I'M USING ALL OF MY MONEY AND I'VE GOT THIS OTHER THING ON THE HORIZON, JUST COMMON SENSE HERE.

I KNOW WE LOVE WE LOVE THE IDEA OF NOT HAVING CONCRETE POLES, BUT I AND I'LL TELL YOU, I MEAN IT.

IT'S NOT A, IT'S A, IT'S A COMMISSION INITIATIVE THAT CAME THROUGH THE CRA.

AND I THINK THE BOARD OBVIOUSLY, THIS ISSUE IS TO TRY AND FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS INITIATIVE THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS, CONTINUE FORWARD.

WHEN SOME POINT IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE.

THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF STUART.

HE SPENT $8 MILLION IN DOWNTOWN STUART.

AND IT WAS IN 1988 OR 89.

AND THAT WAS A LOT MORE MONEY THAN IT IS NOW.

AND AND AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE WELL SPENT.

SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S A BAD IDEA TO SPEND MONEY, IT'S JUST MORE OF WHAT'S THE VISION OF THE COMMISSION? DOES THE COMMISSION WANT TO SEE THIS PROJECT GO FORWARD? WHAT YOU'RE PRETTY SURE OF IS NEVER GOING TO GO DOWN IN PRICE.

I MEAN, SADLY, I THINK COMMISSIONER RICH POINTED THAT OUT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE LIKELY THAT BURYING THE THE, THE THE LINES UNDERGROUND IS CHEAPER THAN IT IS NOW.

AND SO AS A BOARD, YOU GUYS NEED TO DECIDE, WELL, IS IT WORTH IT FOR US TO GO FORWARD WHEN IT WAS AT $7 MILLION, WAS IT WORTH IT FOR YOU TO GO FORWARD? WELL THEN IS IT WORTH IT FOR YOU TO GET THIS PAY FOR THIS ESTIMATE? TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD COST TO GO FORWARD IS REALLY THE DECISION YOU'RE MAKING, MADAM MAYOR.

SO, YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT'S THE THING IS, IS FIRST LET ME JUST ADDRESS IS AS FAR AS THE UNDERGROUNDING OF THE WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN FPL HARDENS THE POLES AND THEY RATE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALK ON OSCEOLA STREET, THEY PUT TWO FOOT DIAMETER CONCRETE POLES THAT PEOPLE HAVE TROUBLE GETTING AROUND.

THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE WILL GET PHONE CALL AFTER PHONE CALL AFTER PHONE CALL FOR THAT.

SECOND IS FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF THIS IS GOING TO TELL US IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, IF IT COMES BACK AT 15, 20 MILLION, YOU KNOW, BUT THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT MAY NOT WILL HAVE TO HAVE A RECONSIDERATION AND A DISCUSSION ON THAT.

BUT WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE DO THIS.

AND I THINK THAT IT IS WORTHWHILE.

I THINK IT IS TO FIND OUT WE'VE BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR OVER A DECADE MAYBE TWO DECADES. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S BECAUSE IT'S BEEN IT'S BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN EXPENSIVE AND IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE.

BUT IT'S BEEN A PRIORITY TO CRA SINCE I CAN REMEMBER.

I FIRST CAME TO STUART IN THE 90S.

HE'S. THAT'S WHAT IN FACT, AT ONE POINT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TELEPHONE POLES OR THE ELECTRIC POLES ALONG OSCEOLA STREET, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY ACTUALLY GOT FPL TO MOVE THE POWER LINES OUT, BECAUSE PEOPLE COULDN'T PAINT THEIR BUILDINGS BECAUSE IT WAS TOO CLOSE.

AND I THINK THE LYRICS RUN INTO THAT EVEN TO THIS DAY, BECAUSE THE TRANSFORMERS ARE SO CLOSE TO THE BUILDING AND SO THE IT IS A IT IS A TO ME, IT JUST LOOKS TERRIBLE.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I THINK WHEN, WHEN WE WHAT ARE WE GOING TO TELL THE THE COMMUNITY WHEN THERE'S GOING DOWN TO OSCEOLA STREET, THERE'S 6 OR 7 TWO FOOT DIAMETER POLES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALK.

SO BUT AND WE CAN FIND OUT WE CAN SPEND 68,000 OR 67, WHATEVER IT IS, AND FIND OUT HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO

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SO THAT'S WHY I'M PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN PROMISING PEOPLE FOR A LONG TIME, AND I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD.

AND THEN THE SECOND LAST THING WAS TO SAY, MAYBE WE COULD GO ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON IT.

YES, SIR. WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO PUBLIC.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY, MISTER.

IS IT LONELY? LONELY? I'LL LET YOU PRONOUNCE IT.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A TEST AFTERWARD FOR ANY OF YOU TO SPELL IT OR PRONOUNCE IT.

NO. PRONOUNCE IT. OKAY.

MY NAME IS KAVON BALOYI, AND I RESIDE AT 41 SOUTHWEST SEMINOLE STREET, NOT SEMINOLE ALLEY.

AND WE ARE. YOU KNOW, I REPRESENT 38 UNIT OWNERS IN THAT BEAUTIFUL BUILDING THAT PROBABLY IS GOING TO BE CONTRIBUTING A GOOD AMOUNT OF TAX AS WELL IN 2024, WHICH IS COMING ALONG.

RIGHT. AND MOST OF US, WE ARE ACTUALLY PROFESSIONAL WORKING AND WE WORK IN THIS AREA OR EVEN IN PALM BEACH GARDENS AND FOR VERY, YOU KNOW, RENOWNED COMPANIES.

SO FIRST OF ALL, GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM MAYOR.

AND THE COMMISSION, AND I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE TIME THAT YOU GUYS ARE GIVING.

I REPRESENT I'M A BOARD OF THE DIRECTOR, I'M PART OF THE BOARD MEMBER FOR THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION.

AND WE MAKE DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, COLLECTIVELY WITH ALL THE KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE THAT THEY RESIDE IN OUR IN OUR BUILDING, IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO ON BEHALF OF OUR RESIDENTS AND UNIT OWNERS, WE STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY TO EXPRESS OUR ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORT FOR BEAUTIFICATION OF SEMINOLE STREET, AND OUR CITY IS A REFLECTION OF OUR COMMUNITY.

COMMUNITY PRIDE.

AND THIS INITIATIVE PROMISES TO ENHANCE OUR PUBLIC SPACES, MAKING THEM MORE VIBRANT AND WELCOMING.

BEAUTIFICATION IS NOT JUST ABOUT ESTHETICS.

IT FOSTERS COMMUNITY SPIRIT.

ATTRACTS BUSINESS AND PROMOTES WELL-BEING.

BY INVESTING IN THIS PROJECT, WE INVEST IN OUR COLLECTIVE FUTURE, CREATING A MORE ATTRACTIVE AND ENJOYABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL, ALL OF US AT 41 SEMINOLE, REQUESTING THAT YOU PUT A HIGHER PRIORITY IN THIS PROJECT AND GET THIS TO A, YOU KNOW, SUCCESSFUL, YOU KNOW APPROVAL ON THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE WITH REGARDING THIS WHOLE 67,000.

I AM A PROFESSIONAL AND I HAVE WORKED, YOU KNOW, IN SOUTH FLORIDA FOR PAST 36 YEARS IN VERY PUBLIC COMPANIES, IN THE LARGE PROJECTS WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO DO AND I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERING THOSE PROJECTS, WE ALWAYS GAVE A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECT BUDGET THAT WE ARE REALLY GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PUT FORWARD TO GET APPROVED BY BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THE CEOS AND ALL OF THAT, THAT THERE IS NO GOING BACK AND KISSING THE RING A FEW TIMES.

RIGHT? BECAUSE REMEMBER THE $12 MILLION OR $7 MILLION THAT ESTIMATES THEY HAVE GONE? IT IS JUST AN ESTIMATE.

THIS $67,000 IS GOING TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CONTRACTING COMPANY.

AND I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY BUSINESS WITH THESE GUYS, BUT THEY DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO COME BACK AND TELL YOU THAT WHAT IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS GOING TO TRULY COST.

SO YOU GUYS WILL NOT HAVE ANY KIND OF SURPRISES GOING FORWARD.

AND FRANKLY, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE SCHEME OF THE THINGS THE $67,000 IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, A DUST IN THE WIND TO SPEND TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS, YOU GUYS WILL NOT HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO A LOT OF BACKPEDALING.

THANK YOU SIR. MY PLEASURE.

NINA BRODY. THANK YOU.

SO MY NAME IS NINA BRODY.

I ALSO LIVE AT SEMINOLE, SO IT'S INTERESTING.

I WILL ECHO THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM'S THOUGHTS.

YOU LIVE. YOU LIVE AT THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT HERE.

BY. BY RIVERWALK.

WE'RE NOT RIVERWALK. WE'RE THE ONE NEXT TO THE BOATHOUSE.

THE NEWER ONE. RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH. SO 41.

OH, YEAH. NEXT TO RIVERWALK.

NEXT TO THE ONE FARTHER DOWN BY.

RIGHT. THAT'S RIVER HOUSE.

WE ARE SAILFISH COVE.

YES. ANYWAY, IT IT DOES LOOK LIKE A BACK ALLEY.

CAFE MARTIRE, WHICH I'VE HEARD IS GREAT, HAS AN AIR CONDITIONING WATER ISSUE.

IT'S ALWAYS. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS EVER WALKED BACK THERE, BUT YOU WALK THROUGH A SEWER SWAMP EVERY TIME YOU WALK BACK THERE.

IT'S POOLS OF WATER EVERY TIME.

SO AS WE TALK ABOUT BRIGHTLINE, AS WE TALK ABOUT BEAUTIFYING THE COMMUNITY, AS WE TALK ABOUT EVERYONE ENJOYING DOWNTOWN THAT ROAD IS DISGUSTING.

AND PENNELL HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.

I THINK THERE'S SOMEONE NAMED SARAH.

WE ALL, BEFORE WE BOUGHT IN 2021 CALLED THE TOWN OF STUART, AND WE GOT IT IN WRITING THAT IT

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IT WAS AN IT WAS A BUDGETED PROJECT, AND IT WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS EITHER APPROVED OR WAS GOING TO BE APPROVED.

I'VE HAD THE BEAUTIFICATION PICTURES IN MY WALLET SINCE 2021, AND IT IS ON THAT BASIS BECAUSE THE STREET IS DISGUSTING.

THERE'S NO TWO WORDS ABOUT IT.

WE WOULD NOT HAVE BOUGHT IF WE DIDN'T THINK THE STREET WAS GOING TO BE BEAUTIFIED BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, THOSE WERE SOME HIGH PRICES.

THOSE PRICES ARE NOT WORTH IT IF THAT STREET IS NOT BEAUTIFIED.

SO WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH SOME LAWYERS AND WE WERE TOLD IT WAS GOING TO BE DONE.

SO WHETHER THAT HAPPENS OR NOT, I ECHO THERE'S SOME BACK PEDALING YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IF IT DOESN'T GET DONE.

AND WE ALL BELIEVE IT SHOULD GET DONE, AND THIS TEAM BELIEVED IT SHOULD GET DONE, OR I WOULDN'T HAVE THE PICTURES IN MY PHONE OF EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. INDEED, WE ACTUALLY TALKED WITH OUR ARCHITECT AND SAID, HEY, WHERE ARE THOSE PALM TREES THAT WE SEE IN OUR BUILDINGS PICTURE? AND THEY SAID, OH, IT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE BUILDINGS PROJECT.

AND THEN WE PULLED OUT THOSE PICTURES.

SO YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR 20 YEARS, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT'S BEEN A REALITY FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

AND WE ARE HERE TO SAY, PLEASE GET IT DONE.

IT WILL HELP EVERYONE.

WE WERE EXCITED ABOUT THE BRIGHT LINE COMING AND WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD GET IT DONE FASTER.

SO I'VE BEEN SITTING IN MY SEAT WITH A PIT IN MY STOMACH, EVEN HEARING A CONVERSATION OF THIS MIGHT NOT GET DONE.

THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM IS GIVING ME A PIT THIS SIDE I'M LOVING, SO PLEASE GET IT DONE.

MISS BROOKE, I CAN CLARIFY JUST FOR THE AUDIENCE.

SEE, THE BEAUTIFICATION OF SEMINOLE STREET IS ON THE BOOKS AND IS GOING TO BE DONE.

THE ONLY REASON IT ISN'T DONE YET IS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A GOOD ECONOMIC DECISION TO PUT IN PAVERS, TO PUT IN LANDSCAPING AND DO EVERYTHING, AND THEN TURN AROUND AND RIP IT ALL OUT TO BURY POWER LINES.

SO THE ISSUE OF THE POWER LINES IS SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM THE FESTIVAL STREET THAT WAS DESIGNED IN THE AREA OF THE THE PAVERS ALONG THE PERMEABLE PAVERS THROUGHOUT THE STREET AND THE LANDSCAPING AND ALL THOSE DESIGNS THAT'S NOT ON THE TABLE TO BE TAKEN AWAY.

THAT UNEQUIVOCALLY IS GOING TO BE DONE.

THE ISSUE IS THE POWER LINES BEING UNDERGROUND VERSUS NOT UNDERGROUND.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT TO SAY THAT YOU HAD AN EXPECTATION OF THAT BECAUSE THE COMMISSION DID, IN FACT DIRECT THAT.

BUT YOU'D BE LYNCHING US IF WE HAD SPENT ALL THE CITY MONEY TO PUT THAT IN, AND THEN RIPPED IT UP THE FOLLOWING YEAR TO PUT THE STUFF UNDERGROUND.

OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE.

THANK YOU. MR. MOORE. HI.

THANKS FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.

I DO APPRECIATE YOU. I'M NOT UP HERE VERY OFTEN, BUT THIS PROJECT, I'M AT 41 SOUTHWEST OSCEOLA STREET, SO I GET A LOT OF YOUR MAIL, BUT WE'RE WORKING THAT OUT.

YEAH, I HAVE YOUR MAIL HERE, SO BUT SO.

SO I'VE BEEN DOWNTOWN FOR ABOUT GOING ON 25 YEARS.

KILWINS. RIGHT. WE MOVED A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO.

SO I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS TO HAPPEN FOR ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, 22, 20.

NO. BUT.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE POWER LINES ON THE SIDEWALKS.

SEMINOLE STREET IS A DISASTER.

IT'S WELL OVERDUE.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK TO THOSE PICTURES MIKE PRESENTED EARLIER, 1940S.

RIGHT. I THINK THERE'S SIDEWALKS ON SEMINOLE THAT ARE FROM BEFORE THE 1940S.

I MEAN, BITS AND PIECES, NOT ALL OF IT.

IT'S A PATCHWORK RIGHT ON SEMINOLE.

SO SO MY PARENTS ARE 84, 85.

RIGHT. THEY COME DOWN TO STUART.

MY DAD ACTUALLY STILL WORKS FOR ME.

HE'S MY CFO.

THAT'S WHAT WE CALL HIM. BUT SO, YOU KNOW, AS HE'S STILL PRETTY MOBILE, BUT MY MOM'S IN A WALKER TRYING TO GET MY MOM DOWN SEMINOLE STREET DISASTER.

I MEAN, IT IS JUST A WAITING NIGHTMARE BETWEEN THE LIGHT POLES.

YOU CAN'T WALK THE SIDEWALKS EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET.

YOU HAVE TO GET INTO THE ROAD TO NAVIGATE SEMINOLE STREET.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE SIDEWALKS IN THIS AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE POLES AND THE SIDEWALKS.

SO THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE.

AND OUT FRONT ON OSCEOLA AND I DON'T KNOW SO MUCH ON FLAGLER SIDE, BUT ON OSCEOLA SIDE, THOSE POWER POLES ARE A HUGE OBSTACLE FOR PEOPLE AND WALKERS, PEOPLE WITH THEIR BABIES AND WHEELCHAIRS OR AND STROLLERS.

BUT WHEELCHAIRS, WALKERS AND STROLLERS ARE A NIGHTMARE.

IF WE GET BIGGER POLES ON THAT STREET, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE IT.

YOU CAN'T GET BY A POLE WITH, YOU KNOW, TWO PEOPLE CAN'T CROSS ON THAT PART OF THE SIDEWALK WITH THOSE POLES.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY SCARY AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GO DOWN IN PRICE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

I MEAN, THIS IS A PROJECT WE DO EVERY 100 YEARS.

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IT'S A HUGE PROJECT FOR THE CITY.

AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

BUT ALL OF US HAVE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN STUART, RIGHT? WE LOVE OUR TOWN.

YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE DBA AS THE OWNER OF KILWINS BEEN DOING THAT, BUT I'VE BEEN THE PRESIDENT OF OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION FOR ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, 12 YEARS. NOBODY WANTS THE JOB.

I CAN'T GIVE IT AWAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, I REPRESENT ABOUT 35, 40 BUSINESSES.

THEY FEEL THE SAME WAY.

YOU KNOW, THEY WANT THE INVESTMENT.

YOU KNOW, THEY'VE MADE THEIR INVESTMENT IN THE CITY WITH THEIR RESTAURANTS, WITH THEIR BOUTIQUES AND WITH THEIR SHOPS.

THEY MADE THEIR INVESTMENT INTO THE CITY WITH THEIR RESIDENCES.

SO WE WANT THE CITY TO INVEST IN THEIR TOWN AND TO THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA.

I KNOW BRIGHT LINE IS COMING.

WE GOT TO BE ABLE TO SWING BOTH.

WE REALLY DO, BECAUSE IF WE MISS IT, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DO? AND YOU KNOW, IN FIVE YEARS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT AGAIN.

AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE THE GIANT POLES ARE UP AND IT'S OVER.

SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT 100 YEAR PROJECT WE CAN DO NOW BEAUTIFY OUR TOWN, GET IT READY FOR THE NEXT 100 YEARS, MAKE THOSE TINY SIDEWALKS MORE WALKABLE AND AND EASIER TO NAVIGATE FOR THE OLDER FOLKS THAT WE HAVE IN THE AREA, INCLUDING MY PARENTS.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING YOU GUYS CAN DO.

AND THIS IS A GOOD START.

YOU KNOW, WE APPROVE THIS. WE KIND OF SEE WHAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE AND THEN WE MAKE DECISIONS GOING FORWARD.

SO THANKS.

WHEN YOU ONE SECOND, WHEN YOU SPOKE OF THE WOMEN WITH THEIR BABY STROLLERS, DO YOU, DO YOU GET A LOT OF LOCALS? A LOT OF WOMEN COME THERE AND, YOU KNOW, SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE MOVED BACK TO STEWART.

MY EMPLOYEES THAT MY, YOU KNOW, MY EARLY EMPLOYEES NOW ARE IN THEIR 40S, WHICH IS INSANE TO ME.

BUT BUT THEY COME IN THE STORE THEY LIVE IN STEWART.

ONE'S A DOCTOR. WELL, ACTUALLY, HER AND HER HUSBAND ARE DOCTORS AT AT CLEVELAND CLINIC NOW.

AND SO THEY WALK DOWNTOWN AND THEY HAVE THEIR STROLLER.

THEY HAVE NUMBER TWO BABY COMING.

SO. YEAH. IT'S IT'S GREAT TO SEE A GREAT LITTLE.

IT IS A FUN CYCLE.

WONDERFUL TOWN. OKAY.

YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST IN THAT POINT, AS YOU SAW LIKE.

NO NO NO NO NO. AARON HAWKINS.

THERE YOU ARE BACK THERE. AARON.

RIGHT. HERE.

HELLO. HOW'S EVERYONE DOING? I WANTED TO COME FORWARD TONIGHT AS A BOARD MEMBER FOR STUART MAIN STREET AND OFFER MY SUPPORT FOR THIS FOR THIS PROJECT, FOR REWARDING THIS PROJECT.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR A WHILE.

YOU KNOW, I'VE LOOKED THROUGH ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE POSTED ONLINE.

IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DEFINITELY MOVE FORWARD WITH BECAUSE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEONE ALREADY STATED, THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES UP THERE THAT HAVE THOSE BACKSIDE ENTRANCES ON THAT STREET.

AS WELL AS THE NEW BUSINESSES THAT ARE UNDERNEATH THOSE CONDOS.

SO WE SHOULD CONSIDER MAKING SURE THAT THAT STREET LOOKS A LOT BETTER, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT I'VE HEARD JUST OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE, IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF IT NOT BEING AS WALKABLE, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T FEEL VERY SAFE, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT WALKING ON THAT STREET.

THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF LIGHTING.

IT'S ALSO JUST, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD.

IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING SINCE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR SO LONG THAT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH AND INVEST IN.

IF I ALSO COULD JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT.

APARTMENTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR YOUNG PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE AND HAVE BEEN HERE AND NEED A PLACE TO STAY, BECAUSE THEY DON'T.

NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO LIVE WITH THEIR PARENTS.

JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.

JUST BUT YEAH, SORRY, SORRY.

I JUST WANT TO SQUEEZE THAT IN. BUT YEAH, I, AS THE ECON VITALITY CHAIR FOR STEWART MAIN STREET WANTED TO COME AND GIVE MY SUPPORT FOR THIS AWARDING OF THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

SURE. IS IT JUST ME OR YOU? ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE HEARING THE SPEAKERS TODAY? I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO HEAR THE SPEAKERS TODAY, MADAM CLERK.

TESTING. TESTING, TESTING.

SHE TURNS IT UP. OKAY.

TESTING. TESTING.

NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HEAR. GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WALTER LLOYD.

IT'S NICE TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, IN THE INTEREST OF SAVING TREES, I MARKED TWO THINGS ON MY LITTLE GREEN REQUEST SLIP THERE.

ONE I WANTED TO ADDRESS MR. MARTEL'S PRESENTATION, SO I WAS HOPING MAYBE TO GET THREE MINUTES FOR THAT.

AND ALSO THREE MINUTES.

JUST THREE MINUTES FOR THIS.

OH, JUST THREE MINUTES FOR THIS.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE ME THE NO.

THREE MINUTES. OKAY.

WELL, SO A FEW THINGS I'VE HEARD IN THIS DISCUSSION WAS I AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER COLLINS THAT YOU GUYS SHOULD BREAK THIS OUT.

BREAK THIS OUT TO THE UNDERGROUND, THE STRUCTURAL PART OF IT, AND THEN THE BEAUTIFICATION IN ANOTHER PART OF IT, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF WHAT MR. MARTEL SAID THERE.

IT IS A SPECIALTY.

IT'S A SPECIALTY CONTRACTING NICHE.

AND IF YOU BROKE THEM OUT, YOU COULD TAKE THE UNDERGROUND.

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THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I HEARD.

I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE TIME AND, AND THE APPROACH TO, TO GET YOUR ANSWERS WITHOUT THE $67,000 WHATEVER TIME I HAVE LEFT WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH BY FAR TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING THAT MR. MARTEL SAID. BUT I WILL CUT TO THE CHASE.

AND THAT IS IN THE COSTCO EXAMPLE WE TALKED.

THAT WOULD BE PUBLIC COMMENT.

I'LL GIVE YOU 30S TO GET IT ALL OUT.

I HAD IT ON THE GREEN THING.

I DON'T KNOW WHY I WASN'T CALLED.

SO THE, THE THE COSTCO EXAMPLE, WE TALKED WE TALKED.

TRAFFIC CANNER IS NOT A SIX LANE CONTIGUOUS HIGHWAY.

CANNER IS SIX LANES AT POINTS, AND ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO GO IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION FROM THE WAY THEY'RE ENTERING INTO THAT HIGHWAY HAS TO GO DOWN AND MAKE A U-TURN TO GO.

SO IT'S NOT SIX LANES.

THERE'S TURN LANES THAT INTERRUPT IT.

IT'S NOT AS FLUID AS EVERYBODY MAKES IT SOUND.

THANK YOU SIR. WHY ARE WE CUTTING HIM OFF? BECKY? IT'S ONLY THREE MINUTES AND IT'S NOT THE OTHER THREE.

WHY ARE WE CUTTING HIM OFF? THREE MINUTES.

THIS GUY'S BEEN SITTING HERE ALL NIGHT AND DIDN'T GET CALLED.

THAT'S NOT FAIR TO ME. YOU SHOULDN'T BE CUTTING PEOPLE OFF.

IF THE BELL RINGS, IT'S ONE THING.

YEAH. GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT.

SO. SO COSTCO HAS THE EXAMPLE.

WE TALKED TRAFFIC.

TRAFFIC WAS ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES.

I'M GLAD TO HEAR.

AGAIN, COMMISSIONER COLLINS IS CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE PUBLIC THINKS.

AND NOW I'M GLAD THAT MR. MARTEL'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE WHAT THE PUBLIC THINKS.

BUT TRAFFIC.

WE GOT PEOPLE COMING FROM 15, 20 MILES AROUND, COMING IN, FILLING UP THEIR CARS WITH GROCERIES AND GOING OUT THERE, NOT SPENDING ANYTHING IN TOWN WHEN WE TOOK THE APPROACH OF STUDYING HOW MUCH GROWTH WE TAKE THE CITY OF STUART. IN FACT, STUART AT LARGE INCLUDES US.

THE MAILING ADDRESS SAYS STUART.

WE CONSIDER OURSELVES PART OF STUART.

OUR QUALITY OF LIFE MATTERS.

WHEN YOU ANNEX INTO OUR PART OF TOWN AND THEN BRING ALL THAT TRAFFIC IN, THAT'S IRRESPONSIBLE.

WE'RE ASKING FOR RESPONSIBLE GROWTH.

AND SO YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO US.

WHEN WE PRESENTED DURING THAT PROJECT WITH OUR EXPERTS, IT CAME IN AT THE LAST MINUTE, WAS IGNORED.

EVEN THE ALJ SAID IT WAS POOR PLANNING.

THANK YOU. MR. FLANAGAN, YOUR TURN.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM HEARING ME, THOUGH.

NO, NEVER. JUST FOR THE RECORD, NEVER.

OF ALL OF YOU. YES.

YOU ON BOTH SIDES? NO, I WAS I LIVE ON INDIAN GROVE DRIVE, WHICH IS A CUT THROUGH STREET BETWEEN PALM CITY ROAD AND KANNER HIGHWAY.

AND I REMEMBER MANY YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD ALL WOODEN POLES, MOST OF THEM ACROSS THE BACK, AND THEN THEY DECIDED THEY NEEDED TO PUT SOME POWER LINES IN THERE, AND THEY HAD THOSE BIG SQUARE POLES, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER, I'D SAY MAYBE SEVEN ACROSS THE LENGTH OF THE ROAD.

WELL, SOMEBODY AT FPL AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT DETERMINED THAT SQUARE POLES ARE NOT AS EFFECTIVE IN HIGH WIND CONDITIONS AS ROUND POLES.

GEORGIA TECH GRADS, I GUESS, ANYWAY.

BUT THEY CAME IN AND PULLED OUT ALL THE SQUARE POLES AND PUT FEWER, BUT MUCH LARGER ROUND POLES.

AND I'M TELLING YOU THAT BECAUSE I CAN SEE THE SAME THING HERE OCCURRING WHEN YOU WALK DOWN THERE.

THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK FROM THIS POINT, THE DECISION BEFORE YOU, RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW IS NOT GIVE ME $16 MILLION AND WE'LL DO THIS.

IT'S TO SPEND THE MONEY TO HAVE AN INFORMED DECISION.

I AGREE, GUYS, THIS IS A HUGE PRICE TAG THAT'S ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY THAT WHOLE BUDGET AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE COMING, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I WOULD RATHER BE ABLE TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION BASED ON, YOU KNOW, $60,000 THAT I DON'T HAVE IN MY POCKET.

SORRY, BUT THAT WOULD AT LEAST GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT AND BREAK IT DOWN.

I WOULD ASK IF, WHENEVER THEY DO IT, TO DO HAVE SOME KIND OF A BREAKDOWN INTO THE POLLS VERSUS THE BEAUTIFICATION, BECAUSE THAT THAT WOULD MAKE IT A LOT SIMPLER.

BUT I JUST FEEL, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES HERE, BECAUSE SAME WAY WHEN YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THERE, I'M A BIG GUY.

I TAKE UP A LOT OF ROOM ALREADY.

WHENEVER I HAVE COME WITH THOSE POLES, I HAVE TO STOP AND TURN SIDEWAYS AND LET THE PEOPLE GET BY.

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ANY ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? AND I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR ALL.

YES. GOOD EVENING, MISS HELEN.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

I'M HELEN MCBRIDE. I'M FLAMINGO AVENUE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 51 YEARS.

MUST THIS YOUNG LADY WAS TALKING.

I THOUGHT, WELL, WHEN I MOVED HERE 51 YEARS AGO, THAT WAS AN ALLEYWAY.

I MEAN, THAT'S OLD TIMERS REFERRED TO IT AS AN ALLEYWAY.

AND IT WAS AT THAT TIME THE HOUSES FACED THE RIVER AND THAT WAS THE BACK.

BUT NOW PROGRESS.

AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUT I AGREE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE BETWEEN THE POLES AND ALL THE POWER.

IT'S UGLY. BUT ALSO YOU'RE ALLOWING PARKING ON BOTH SIDES.

NOW, I'VE SAT HERE WHEN THE BEAUTIFICATION, BUT LIKE MICHAEL SAID, IT'S SILLY TO PUT IT IN AND THEN HAVE TO TEAR IT UP.

YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, BUT I'M TALKING TO A CONTRACTOR TODAY.

AND I SAID TO HIM, THIS ISN'T IT DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

OH, WELL, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

NO, I SAID, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS, BECAUSE THEY LIVE HERE NOW.

THEY'RE OUR NEIGHBORS.

LET'S DO IT RIGHT.

I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEONE ON SOCIAL SECURITY, BUT IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

AND THEN ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW, FIVE YEARS.

WE CAN GO UNDERGROUND AND WE CAN HAVE THAT BEAUTIFUL SEMINOLE STREET.

I'LL STILL CALL IT AN ALLEYWAY BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, ONCE I LEARNED THE NAME, I STICK WITH IT.

BUT IT'S AN INVESTMENT.

JUST LIKE YOUR HOMES ARE AN INVESTMENT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. JUST THANK YOU.

GOOD QUESTION. IF FPL IS MAKING THESE SIDEWALKS, LIKE, UNTENABLE TO WALK OR USE, IS THERE ANY GROUNDS TO TO KNOW WE COULD TAKE THE ELECTRICITY OUT? IT'S LIKE THAT. IT'S MAFIA.

OKAY. AND I JUST WANT TO I JUST WANT TO REMIND AGAIN, THE UNDERGROUNDING PROJECT IS NOT JUST NOT SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE.

WHEN WE SEE A LARGE PRICE TAG, PEOPLE ARE THINKING IT'S JUST SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE.

IT INCLUDES OSCEOLA, INCLUDES SAINT LUCIE AVENUE AND AND COLORADO.

WE CAN APPROVE ALL OR NONE.

OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO DO UNDERGROUND, RIGHT.

SO WE WILL BRING DIFFERENT CATEGORIES WITH PRICE PROPOSALS SO THAT THE BOARD CAN DECIDE HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.

MADAM MAYOR, ONE MORE QUESTION.

JUST TO BE SURE IT WILL BE BROKEN DOWN.

YES, BY QUITE SPECIFICALLY CORRECT STAFF OR STAFF ON HOW YOU ALL WANT IT BROKEN DOWN AND WE CAN BREAK IT INTO WHATEVER.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A ROLL CALL NOW.

ROLL CALL. MARY.

I HAVE A MOTION BY TROY MCDONALD AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.

YES. COMMISSIONER COLLINS.

YES. VICE MAYOR RICH.

YES. MAYOR. BRUNNER.

YES. COMMISSIONER CLARK.

YES. MR. MCDONALD.

YES. OKAY.

THANK YOU. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE NOW GOING TO MOVE ON TO.

[10. FDOT PERMITS FOR TEMPORARY CLOSINGS OF STATE ROADS TO INSTALL MONUMENT SIGNS (RC): RESOLUTION No. 38-2024; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS DESIGNEE TO APPLY FOR STATE PERMITS NEEDED FOR TEMPORARY CLOSINGS OF STATE ROADS TO INSTALL AND MAINTAIN WAYFINDING AND/OR “WELCOME” MONUMENT SIGNS; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

YES. I WILL LEAD THIS TO OUR LAWYER.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER, OR HIS DESIGNEE TO APPLY FOR STATE PERMITS NEEDED FOR TEMPORARY CLOSINGS OF STATE ROADS TO INSTALL AND MAINTAIN WAYFINDING AND OR, QUOTE, WELCOME, UNQUOTE MONUMENT SIGNS PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

MOVE FOR APPROVAL. SECOND.

GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MCDONALD.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.

I WILL NEED TO HEAR FROM THE AUDIENCE.

DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? WOW. SEE? NONE.

OKAY, WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL.

MAYOR BRUNER. YES.

COMMISSIONER MCDONALD. YES.

VICE MAYOR. RICH. YES, COMMISSIONER.

COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER.

CLARK. YES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MAYOR BRUNER.

THIS IS ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

705 THREE HOURS.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.