Oct 24, 2024 Special City Commission

[* this meeting was joined in progress *]

[COMMENTS BY CITY MANAGER]

[00:00:06]

OH, WOW. AND IS NOT IN THE MOOD TO SPREAD IT TO ALL OF US. SO HE CHOSE TO STAY HOME TODAY, BUT HE HE TO INQUIRED ABOUT PARTICIPATING EITHER ONLINE OR THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE TEAMS MEETING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE ON THE TEAMS OR NOT, BUT I KNOW THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE REVIEWING IT ONLINE. IN ANY EVENT, THE INTENTION IS TO DO A ZONING AND PROGRESS. THE COMMISSION DIRECTED STAFF TO FILE A ZONING AND PROGRESS BACK IN SEPTEMBER, AND WHAT THAT MEANT WAS THAT AT SUCH TIME AS THE CITY PUBLISHED THE NOTICE OF THE ZONING IN PROGRESS, IT BECAME EFFECTIVE. AND THAT WAS ON THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE THE MONDAY MEETING, WHERE IT WAS ADOPTED. SO I THINK I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE, BUT IT WAS SEPTEMBER 4TH THAT IT WAS PUBLISHED. THE ZONING IN PROGRESS UNDER OUR CODE ALLOWS IT TO RUN FOR 45 DAYS AT THE EXPIRATION OF 45 DAYS. IF THE COMMISSION IS STILL WORKING ON CODE, REVISIONS CAN BE EXTENDED FOR ANOTHER 45 DAYS. HOWEVER, YOU DON'T NEED A ZONING IN PROGRESS TO MAKE CODE CHANGES.

SO AT THE END OF THE ZONING IN PROGRESS PERIOD, THE COMMISSION CAN CONTINUE MAKING CODE CHANGES AND ADDRESSING CODE ISSUES AND COMP PLAN ISSUES AS THEY SEE FI. IT'S JUST THAT THE ZONING IN PROGRESS PURPOSE IS THAT WHEN PEOPLE SEE THE POTENTIAL CODE CHANGE COMING, THEY RUN IN AND FILE A APPLICATION TO TRY AND BEAT THE CODE CHANGE SO THAT THEY GET IN UNDER THE RADAR AND CAN GO UNDER THE OLD CODE IS WHAT THE THEORY IS. SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IF THE COMMISSION SEES AN ITEM THAT THEY DIRECT STAFF TO BRING THAT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING AS AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT RIGHT NOW, NOT AS A GLOBAL, BUT WE WANT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS ADOPTED BEFORE THE 45 DAYS OR THE 90 DAYS OR THE 180 DAYS IS UP. I'M SORRY, IT'S 90 DAYS AND 90 DAYS. SO IT'S 180 DAYS, NOT 45. THEN WE WILL DO SO. BUT WHAT THE INTENTION IS TODAY IS NOT TO ADOPT ANY REGULATIONS AT ALL. IT'S NOT TO CHANGE ANY ZONING AT ALL. IT IS TO HAVE STAFF KIND OF RUN THROUGH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS STARTING IN THE BEGINNING AND LITERALLY GOING THROUGH CHAPTER ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN. I THINK SEVEN IS PRESERVED, BUT AND I DON'T THINK WE'LL SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON 11 BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE PROCEDURAL STUFF. BUT REALLY CHAPTER TWO, WHICH IS OUR STRAIGHT ZONING, CHAPTER THREE, WHICH IS OUR URBAN OVERLAY ZONES, CHAPTER FIVE HAS SOME RELATIONSHIP TO TREES AND OTHER STUFF. CHAPTER SIX IS OFF SITE AND PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THOSE WILL BE THE REALLY THE CRUX OF OUR CONVERSATIONS.

THE INTENTION TODAY IS FOR STAFF TO HEAR FROM THE BOARD, TO GET A CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD AS TO WHAT CHANGES THEY'RE LOOKING FOR STAFF TO MAKE. SO IF IN FACT, THE BOARD GIVES DIRECTION TO US TODAY TO MAKE SEVERAL CHANGES, WE WILL BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE CITY COMMISSION MEETING. AND IF ANY OF THOSE CHANGES REQUIRE A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT TO EFFECTUATE, WE WILL TELL THE BOARD THAT IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT TO EFFECTUATE IF IT DOESN'T, WE CAN ADDRESS IT ACCORDINGLY. OTHERWISE, LOOK, THIS IS A LIST OF CHANGES YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE CODE. A GLOBAL ALL OF RIGHT. SO ABSENT ABSENT A DIRECTION FOR US TO BRING AN ISOLATED MATTER FORWARD. WE INTEND AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS TO GLOBALLY BRING ALL OF THE PROSPECTIVE CHANGES FORWARD. AND THE COMMISSION CAN VOTE ON THEM SINGLY AT THE WHATEVER MEETING THAT IS. AND WE CAN GO THROUGH WHATEVER THE CHANGES ARE AND IT'LL BE REDLINED AS YOU ADOPT ANY AMENDMENT TO ANY ORDINANCE. AND WE'LL LITERALLY GO THROUGH ALL THE CHANGES AT THAT POINT. BUT IT'LL LITERALLY BE A LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION UPDATE, ESSENTIALLY. EFFECTIVELY, IT COULD BE SOUP TO NUTS, OR IT COULD BE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD ENDS UP BEING WHEN WE GET THERE. MR. MARTEL AND THE BOARD AND STAFF.

MY PREFERENCE IS THAT IF WE CAN GET WHATEVER WE NEED TO GET DONE WITHIN THE 90 DAYS SO THAT WE DON'T KEEP DRAGGING THIS OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE PROJECTS THAT THEY NEED TO MOVE FORWARD

[00:05:02]

NOW, I MIGHT AS WELL BRING IT U. NOW. I WAS GOING TO MENTION TO THE BOARD WE ALSO HAVE. WALMART THAT WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THEIR PUD TO ADD A DELIVERY BUILDING OFF THE BACK WHERE YOU ORDER THINGS ONLINE AND YOU JUST GO PICK UP YOUR STUFF. WE HAVE WINN-DIXIE. IT'S ABOUT 50 500 ZERO SQUARE FEET THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO A PUD AMENDMENT TO SWITCH THAT OUT TO A FLORIST DIRECT. WE HAVE RAIMI RUG THAT WANTS TO DO A MINOR PUD AMENDMENT TO STORE VEHICLES IN THE BACK. 70% OF THE BUILDING, AND WE HAVE SEACOAST BANK THAT IS SEEKING TO MOVE FORWARD ON A PUD TO BUILD A NEW BANK HEADQUARTERS AND PARKING GARAGE. IT'S THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD, AND YOU CAN WAIT TILL THE END TO DISCUSS IT. I'LL JUST BRING IT UP NOW SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT DURING THE WORKSHOP.

BUT ONE OF THE PROPOSALS IS THAT YOU COULD DO IS THAT THE COMMISSION COULD MAKE AN EXCEPTION TO THE ZONING IN PROGRESS TO ALLOW PUDS THAT DO NOT HAVE ANY RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO THEM TO BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD SO THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE WINN-DIXIE COULD BE STARTED TO BE PROCESSED. AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE LIKELY GOING TO BE VOTING ON IT ANYWAY, UNLESS IT'S SO MINOR THAT IT DOESN'T GET A VOTE. BUT THE SEACOAST BANK PROJECT YOU WILL BE VOTING ON NO MATTER WHAT BECAUSE IT'S PUD AND ASSUMING THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO IT. IF IT COMES IN AND WE WAIT THE 180 DAYS, IT WOULD STILL MAKE THE APPLICATION AND IT WOULD STILL COME FORWARD. AND EVEN IF YOU SAID YOU NEEDED 7000 PARKING SPACES, IT WOULD STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO SEEK A WAIVER OF THE PARKING SPACES OR WHATEVER THE THINGS WOULD BE, AND THE COMMISSION WOULD STILL HAVE TO VOTE ON ALL THOSE THINGS ANYWAY, SO IT WOULDN'T THE PROPOSAL WOULDN'T CREATE ANY RIGHTS THAT DON'T ALREADY EXIST, OR THAT WON'T EXIST AT THE EXPIRATION OF THE ZONING IN PROGRESS ANYWAY, OTHER THAN IT WOULD GIVE THOSE PEOPLE THE ABILITY TO DO THEIR CURRENT PROJECT BASED UPON THE CURRENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS. SO. RIGHT, THEY WOULD. SO IF YOU CHANGE THOSE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, THEY WOULD, IF THEIR APPLICATION WAS IN IT WOULD NOT BE UNDER THAT. NOW YOU COULD ANALYZE IT AND SAY THAT THEY TO MAKE THE APPLICATION, THEY HAVE TO AGREE TO COMPLY WITH WHATEVER PARKING REQUIREMENTS YOU ULTIMATELY COME UP WITH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO I THINK IT MAKES IT MESSY OR MESS IT UP OR NOT, BUT

[00:10:02]

[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC]

IS COSTLY NOT TO WRITE, BUT YOU. KNOW, I AM SO WHEN I LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE OFFICE, HOW CAN THE CITY. GET THAT? THEY'VE ALREADY GOT TO GO AHEAD. WITH THAT. SO I AGREE, YOU KNOW EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO DO THE BEST AND THE BEST WORK. CONVERTED A LOT OF THOSE THINGS.

YOU KNOW BACK IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE HIGHER. SO WE TALKED. I HAVE A PROPERTY ON THREE 959. YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO DO REINSTALL WINDOWS. AND IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT WE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, WANTED. PERMISSION WE CAN'T DO. THE PUBLIC SPEAKER I JUST HOPE THAT. YOU CONSIDER REMOVING THIS ZONING IN PROGRESS. AND AGAIN, THAT THEY'RE DOING A ADJUSTING IT WITH BUSINESS WITH BUSINESS AS USUAL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, MISS SHEPHERD. CLERK. NEXT, MARCELLA CAMPBELL. GOOD AFTERNOON STAFF AND

[00:15:04]

SO, COMMISSIONER, I HEARD YOU TELL YOUR YOUR COMMISSIONER SITTING NEXT TO YOU, IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THIS DONE PROPERLY. TIME DOESN'T REALLY MATTER FOR A LOT OF US WHO ARE RUNNING BUSINESSES WHO HAVE PROPERTY. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. OTHERWISE IT IS A TAKINGS. THANK YOU. NIKKI VAN BONO. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M NIKKI VAN BONO. I DO NOT LIVE IN THE CITY OF STUART, BUT I CONSIDER IT MY HOME, EVEN THOUGH I LIVE ON SEWALL'S POINT. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE BARN THEATER BECAUSE IT'S NOT CLEAR TO THE STAFF AND TO ALL THE MANY VOLUNTEERS THAT SUPPORT THAT WONDERFUL COMMUNITY THEATER. HOW THIS ZONING IN PROGRESS MIGHT AFFECT THEM. THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING MASSIVE FUNDRAISING FOR A MAJOR CAMPUS IMPROVEMENT AT THE BARN THEATER. THEY HAVE GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT THEY'VE WRITTEN. THEY'VE RECENTLY BEEN INTERVIEWED TO BECOME PART OF. PROJECT IMPACT IS AND WHICH WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS BOON TO THE THEATER IF IT GOT THAT SUPPORT. AND SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M ASKING, I GUESS IS AN EXCEPTION FOR NON-PROFITS, SINCE THERE'S AN EXCEPTION FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND THERE'S EXCEPTIONS FOR GOVERNMENT. I WOULD URGE YOU TO GIVE A TO CONSIDER NONPROFITS AS WELL, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE PREMIER COMMUNITY THEATER NEEDS THIS SUPPORT FROM YOU. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BONNIE LANDRY. HELLO, BONNIE LANDRY, 336 SOUTHWEST RIDGE LANE. I'VE LIVED IN STUART 37 YEARS. I ALSO HAVE A BUSINESS IN THE CITY, STUART ON SAINT LUCIE CRESCENT AND THE REASON WHY I'M TALKING TODAY, YEARS AGO, PROBABLY ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, MY DAD MOVED HERE AND FOR ME AND MY HUSBAND TO TAKE CARE OF HIM. AND HE LIVED IN AND WE BUILT A GUEST HOUSE IN OUR

[00:20:06]

THANK YOU. ARTHUR MUGAVERO. HELLO, RAYMIE RUGG. MY NAME IS ARTHUR MOGAVERO. IT WAS ROUGH.

IT WAS EXACTLY ONE MONTH AGO TODAY. MY WIFE SUZANNE SPOKE RIGHT IN THIS EXACT SPOT, AND SHE DIDN'T ASK FOR AN EXCEPTION FROM ME. SHE ASKED FOR AN EXCEPTION FOR, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES THAT WOULD NEED IT. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SOMETHING THAT DOES HAVE A DATE LINE AND ORDEAL IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO RELY ON WHEN THIS ZONING AND PROGRESS ENDS. WE DID EVERYTHING THE CITY WANTED, AND I'M ONLY RECAPPING ALL THE LETTERS THAT EVERYBODY'S ALREADY RECEIVED FROM ME. I KNOW I SENT MULTIPLE EMAILS, BUT WE DID THE ZONING VERIFICATION, WE DID THE PRE-APPLICATION LETTER, WE DID NOT RUSH TO PUT THE PERMIT IN, AND WE WERE ALL PREPARED TO GO FORWARD. THE DEAL WAS ON THE TABLE AND THERE ARE 40 YEAR OLD BUSINESS NOW IS GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW ITS PATH FORWARD IS GOING TO BE IF WE DON'T GET THIS APPLICATION IN TIME. MR. SPERLING HERE HAS A DATE THAT HE NEEDS TO MOVE HIS CARS IN. IT'S IN. WE ARE LOWERING THE IMPACT OF THE BUILDING. THERE IS NOTHING HERE THAT IS GOING TO MAKE THIS CITY ANY MORE CONGESTED OR ANYTHING ELSE. WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS EXACTLY LIKE EVERYBODY WANTED US TO, AND NOW WE ARE BEING PUNISHED FOR DOING THE WRONG PROCESS WHERE WE COULD HAVE RUSHED IT, MADE EVERYBODY MISERABLE, BUT WE DECIDED TO TRY TO DO IT RIGHT. AND AT THIS MOMENT, IF THERE IS NO ACCEPT, WE DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT OURSELVES. WE ONLY BELIEVE THE EXCEPTION SHOULD BE FOR THE EXISTING BUSINESSES THAT ARE INCREASING THE IMPACT. AREN'T INCREASING THE RESIDENTIAL. AND AT THIS POINT, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD BE HEARD THAT IN ONE PARTICULAR CASE, IN ANY CASE, LIKE US AND THE OTHER ONES THAT WE HEARD THAT DO NOT INCREASE IMPACT IN THIS AREA, THERE SHOULD BE, BECAUSE IF THIS WAS TO GO THREE MONTHS AND TO GO SIX MONTHS COULD DO SOME DAMAGE TO SOME BUSINESSES IN THIS TOWN. AND WE JUST, YOU KNOW, PLEAD THAT EVERYBODY THINKS ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. THE CLERK IS INDICATING THAT SHE HAS NO MORE GREEN CARDS. DOES ANYONE ELSE WHO WAS PRESENT IN THE ROOM HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU. WE'LL GO ON WITH THE AGENDA. SO I GUESS WE'LL HAVE

[DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION]

[00:25:05]

YOU. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. AND LET'S JUST TRY TO RESTRICT OURSELVES OR WRITE DOWN OUR NOTES AND MAKE NOTES AND DO IT APPROPRIATELY AT THE TIME, I'M JUST I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE THE CROSS TALKING IN BETWEEN WHEN SOMEBODY IS PRESENTING. ALL RIGHT, MR. MCCRANE. ACTUALLY, GOOD AFTERNOON. SORRY. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR CLERK AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS ZONING IN PROGRESS MEETING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO IS WE WERE GOING TO GO CODE CHAPTER BY CHAPTER, STARTING OUT WITH CHAPTER ONE, AS YOU SEE, CHRIS HAS PULLED UP EACH CHAPTER OFF OF MUNICODE. SO THIS IS THE CURRENT CODE TODAY THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS OR DIFFERENT TYPE OF USES OR DENSITY REQUIREMENTS. SO CHAPTER ONE IS JUST YOUR GENERAL PROVISIONS. THIS IS HOW THE CODE IS GOING TO BE ENFORCED AND HOW IT'S WRITTEN. AND ACTUALLY YOUR ZONING IN PROGRESS REQUIREMENT CAME FROM YOUR CHAPTER ONE. SO I'M IF THE BOARD WANTS TO GO THROUGH CHAPTER ONE, WE CAN I THINK THAT I THINK IF YOU GO BACK TO THE INDEX ON CHAPTER ONE, WE COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE PURPOSE, INTENT, AUTHORITY, APPLICABILITY AND INCORPORATION BY REFERENCE, IT'S ALL REAL PROCEDURAL. CORRECT. AND SO CHAPTER TWO. CHAPTER TWO IS REALLY WHERE. YEAH. YES, I THINK THE BOARD WOULD PROBABLY FOCUS MORE ON CHAPTER TWO, THREE AND SIX AND MAYBE FIVE WHERE YOUR TREE MITIGATION IS. SO IN CHAPTER TWO IS WHERE THE MOST OF YOUR DENSITY, YOUR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, YOUR LOT SIZES, INTENSITY AND DENSITY ARE GOING TO BE WHERE THEY LIVE. SO WE CAN GO THROUGH CODE BY CODE SECTION IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE BOARD. OKAY. SO THE PURPOSE IS AS YOU CAN SEE, IS IMPLEMENTING THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES. AND THE CITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROCESSES AND THE MEASURABLE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR HEIGHT FOR BUILDING HEIGHT SETBACK AND LOT SIZE DENSITY. THERE'S SOME EXCEPTIONS WHICH GOES INTO YOUR URBAN DISTRICTS, WHICH IS IN CHAPTER THREE. BUT SOME OF THESE DON'T APPLY WITHIN CHAPTER TWO.

AND IF I CAN BRIEFLY COMMENT ON THE EXCEPTIONS. SO WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE PUD OR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS. WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF PUDS. IF SOMEONE SUBMITS A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, IT'S ESSENTIALLY ITS OWN DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. AND IT CREATES ITS OWN ZONING.

AND IT'S A TWO HEARING PROCESS AND IT TO RESULTS IN EXCEPTIONS TO THE CODE BASED UPON THE COMMISSION'S APPROVAL. BUT UNDER THE URBAN OVERLAY ZONES, THERE'S ALSO IT WAS ONCE CALLED A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. AND THEN IT BECAME THE WORD CONDITIONAL USE. BUT THE CHAPTER TWO AND THREE ALLOW FOR A PROCESS CALLED CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH ESSENTIALLY, FOR EXAMPLE, IN BONNIE LANDRY'S CASE, WHERE SHE BROUGHT UP THIS ISSUE THAT SHE HAD A ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT BEHIND HER HOME THAT IS PROHIBITED FROM HAVING A BUSINESS. WELL, IT WOULD IF, IN

[00:30:06]

NOT THAT IT MATTERS, I'M JUST POINTING IT OUT THAT THE EXCEPTIONS AND ADDITIONAL STANDARDS YOU CAN SEE IT STARTS OUT WITH THE URBAN CODE DISTRICT, EAST STUART DISTRICT, AND SOUTHEAST OCEAN BOULEVARD. OVERLAY ZONES ARE ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY BASED ON THE NEED FOR SPECIAL PROTECTIVE MEASURES. THEY WANTED IT TO HAVE A CERTAIN CHARACTER THEORY BEING THAT, YEAH, WELL, SOMEONE WILL COME IN AND THEN AS PART OF THE EXCEPTIONS, WE'LL MAKE THEM DO AWNINGS, WE'LL MAKE THEM DO SHADE TREES, AND WE'LL MAKE THEM MAKE IT LOOK LIKE AND BE PART OF THE STYLE AND DESIGN OF OUR COMMUNITY RATHER THAN AN OUTLIER IN MAKING IT DIFFERENT THAN THE COMMUNITY STANDARDS. BUT THE IT REFERENCES THE SPECIAL NATURE OF THESE AREAS AND GETS INTO THE CHAPTER THREE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR ON THE EXCEPTIONS IN THE PUDS. A PUD IS NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING OR AN EXCEPTION, NOT A BAD THING. IT'S ACTUALLY MEANS THAT THE COMMISSION DID THE REVIEW AND PARTICIPATED IN THE PROCESS. NOW THERE'S PEOPLE THAT FEEL LIKE THE COMMISSION'S IN THE PAST HAVE GRANTED TOO MUCH OR TOO LITTLE OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROCESS, AND WE SHOULD JUST GO THROUGH. IF YOU DON'T WANT THERE TO BE EXCEPTIONS, YOU NEED TO SAY THAT TOO. AS WE GO FORWARD. OKAY.

SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING. THANK YOU. SO I THE NEXT IS THE LAND USE MAP. IT'S JUST TALKING ABOUT YOU HAVE A LAND USE MAP AND WE HAVE A ZONING MAP. AND THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT ZONING DESIGNATIONS ON OUR ZONING MAP. AND EACH ONE OF THOSE HAVE DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS. LAND USE. I MEAN, A HEIGHT, SIZE, INTENSITY AND DENSITY. SO THIS IS THE TABLE RIGHT HERE WHERE

[00:35:08]

THE CONSIDERATION AND THE USES OF. SO THIS IS YOUR TYPICAL LOT SIZES, YOUR WHAT'S PERMITTED. IF YOU GO FURTHER DOWN YOU'LL SEE WHERE THERE'S AN TABLE THAT TALKS ABOUT LAND USES. NOW THIS IS WHERE YOU GET INTO THE INDIVIDUAL TYPE OF USES AND WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED AND WHERE THEY'RE A SPECIAL USE. P IS PERMITTED, AND ALLOWED IS AN EXCEPTION THAT YOU HAVE TO DO LIKE A C, C U IS A CONDITIONAL USE. SO IF YOU WANTED TO DO A COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HOME IN R3, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN R CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS. SO THE FIRST ONE IS ACCESSORY DWELLING. YOU. SO CURRENTLY OUR CODE ALLOWS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN R1, A, R1, R2 AND R3.

NOW THERE'S CONDITIONS FOR THEM AS LISTED UNDER 6902. LIKE THEY HAVE TO BE IN THE BACKYARD, THEY HAVE TO BE CERTAIN SETBACK, ETCETERA. BUT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING AND THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED IN INSTITUTIONAL OR HOSPITAL, AND THEY ARE ALLOWED. IN HOME OCCUPATIONS WOULD BE INSIDE THE BUILDING, NOT IN THE ACTUAL ACCESSORY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. AND THEN IF YOU GO UP TO THE TOP OF THE ALLOWED IN THE PUDS. THE FIRST ONE. YES. YEAH.

SO IT SAYS ALLOWED. AND THEN PUD OR AN RPD ALLOWED AS ALREADY POINTED OUT, MEANS THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO GRANT AN EXCEPTION AND ALLOW IT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE THE PERSON WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD REQUESTED BE PERMITTED, AND THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO VOTE YES. AND SO WHEN STAFF BRINGS A MATTER TO THE BOARD AND THEY SAY THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR THE

[00:40:07]

IN R1 OR R2. AND THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD WOULD BE VOTING ON. WHERE DO THE SEPARATE METERS LIE FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS? IS IT IN 6902? IT'S IN YOUR R1, A R1. WELL HE SITS HE'S ON THE ELECTRIC. HE'S TALKING ABOUT ELECTRIC METERS. WHERE DO WE METERS. BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY ALLOW THAT. AND THEN R1 A WE ONLY ALLOWED ONE UTILITY METERS AT THAT PROPERTY IN ONE R1 AS WELL. WE ALLOW MORE THAN ONE UTILITY. CORRECT. IS THAT SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SEE ADDRESSED? IS NOT HAVING SEPARATE METERS PERSONALLY FOR OTHERWISE. NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RENTAL VERSUS, I THINK, THE TRUE FUNCTION OF AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS TO BE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT FOR THAT HOME. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO JUST KIND OF SCROLL DOWN THIS TABLE, THIS IS PROBABLY WHERE YOU'RE YOU WANT TO KIND OF FOCUS ON ON. SO WHEN YOU SEE THOSE CONDITIONAL USE, THAT MEANS THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN APPLICATION TO PROCESS IT AND MOVE IT FORWARD TO THE BOARD. THIS REQUIRES BOARD ACTION. SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE RPD THESE ARE ALLOWED. EVERYTHING THAT'S A IS ANOTHER BOARD ACTION THAT'S REQUIRED. SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE PDS THAT THEY ALL ARE REQUIRED. A BOARD ACTIO. AND IT'S BROKEN DOWN BY THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES. SO YOUR RETAIL USE YOUR RESIDENTIAL YOUR MARINE INDUSTRIES YOUR WAREHOUSING. SO YOUR HEALTH CARE USES AS YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THESE ARE NOT ALLOWED LIKE YOUR ADULT ENTERTAINMENT. THEY'RE ALL CONDITIONAL USE. AND SAME THING WITH THE INDUSTRIAL PUD. IT WOULD REQUIRE A SEPARATE APPLICATION AS WELL. SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OR HOTELS JUST GO ON DOWN. SO WHEN AN APPLICATION COMES IN AND WHEN STAFF REVIEWS, IF THEY GET ZONING CALLS OR THEY GET A ZONING VERIFICATION LETTERS, OR IF THEY GET A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING, SOMETIMES IT'S THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT OR A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT. WE REVIEW ZONING, ALWAYS REVIEWS ALL THOSE PRIOR TO MOVING FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEP, WHICH IS EITHER A BUILDING PERMIT OR THE NEXT ACTION. THAT IS WHERE WE IDENTIFY IF THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE TO HAVE A APPLICATION BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OR AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT'S THIS IS THE CHART THAT THE STAFF WILL LOOK AT FIRST.

OKAY. AND THEN EITHER LEGAL OR LEGAL. AND JODY, CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN ESPECIALLY FOR NEW COMMISSIONERS OR FOR THE PUBLIC, THE CONCURRENCY OF LAND USE CHANGE AND A ZONING CHANGE, ESPECIALLY WHEN SOMEBODY IS COMING IN FOR PUD. SO IF YOU GO TO THE PREVIOUS CHART, NOT THE USE CHART, BUT THE LAND USE CHART, THIS IS WHERE WE LOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LAND USE. SO IF YOU WANTED TO DO A HOTEL OR SOME TYPE OF MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND YOU WANT TO DO A PUD, YOU HAVE TO BECOME THE ONLY PUD REQUIREMENTS ARE ALLOWED WOULD ONLY BE THROUGH AN RPD.

THIS IS THE CHART THAT WOULD TELL YOU WHAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE LAND USE VERSUS THE ZONING USE. SO IF IT'S NOT IN THERE, THEN WE CANNOT EVEN MOVE FORWARD WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FIRST. SO THIS IS THE FIRST CHART WE WILL CHECK. AND THEN THE SECOND CHART IS THE ZONING USES TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE BOTH CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WITH REGARD TO LIKE FOR ME PERSONALLY ON FLAMINGO, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THAT OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET WAS ANNEXED IN FROM THE COUNTY IN THE 90S, I BELIEVE. BUT WE HAVE AN ISSUE OVER THERE WITH NON-CONFORMING USE. THERE'S OVER TIME FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WERE MAYBE WHILE IT WAS IN THE COUNTY'S PURVIEW, KIND OF CONVERTED INTO DUPLEXES. THAT IS, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT BECAUSE WE BROUGHT THAT FORWARD ONCE BACK IN LIKE 2019, AND THIS ROOM WAS FILLED WITH PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO CHOP OUR HEADS OFF. BUT HELEN MCBRIDE REMINDED US I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH IT. BUT BACK IN THE 80S, THAT SECTION WAS WHEN KRUGER WAS ANNEXED IN THE PROPERTY THAT ULTIMATELY ENDED UP BEING MONTEREY ROAD AND THE BANK BUILDING AND THOSE BUILDINGS IN

[00:45:05]

WHEN IT BECAME THE NON-CONFORMING YOU. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DUPLEXES COST IN 1984 WHEN THEY WERE ANNEXED OR WHATEVER YEAR THAT WAS. BUT I SUSPECT THAT THE VALUE WAS SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN 50% OF THEIR VALUE IS. NOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY, IN YOUR OPINION, TO BRING IT INTO CONFORMING? WELL. IN THE SITUATION OF A DUPLEX, THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS THAT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO NEED TO TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD A NEW HOUSE.

THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THE DUPLEX IS GOING TO SOMEHOW TURN INTO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH TWO FRONT DOORS IS PROBABLY NOT LIKELY. SO I WATCHED THE ONE NEIGHBOR TAKE ONE FRONT DOOR AND MAKE DO. YEAH, THEY GO THE OTHER WAY ALL THE TIME. YEAH, BUT BUT SO THE EXCUSE ME, THE OVERALL LAND USE IN THERE IS STILL SINGLE FAMILY. YES. THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF AND I CAN'T BUT THERE'S SOME OF THOSE THAT LOOK LIKE SINGLE FAMILY THAT THEY'RE NOT. BUT. WELL THERE'S NO THERE'S THERE ORANGE ON THERE BUT A ROW THAT ARE DUPLEXES THAT ANNEXED IN THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SINGLE FAMILY. AND WHEN WE WENT TO CHANGE IT TO DUPLEX AS THE ZONING, THIS ROOM WAS FILLED WITH EVERYBODY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY SAID, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THEY DIDN'T CARE THAT THEY'D BEEN DUPLEXES THE ENTIRE TIME. THEY ALL LIVED THERE. THEY SAID THESE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND HELEN MCBRIDE REMEMBERED IT. WE WENT AND LOOKED IT UP. SHE HAD THE LETTE. SO CAN WE. IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE CODE NOW, LIKE A LITTLE THAT WOULD CATCH THE GLITCH? THAT IF THEY DO, LET'S SAY THAT A HURRICANE DESTROYS ONE OF THOSE AND THEY'RE COMING IN FOR A PERMIT TO REBUILD. THEY CAN ONLY REBUILD AS A SINGLE FAMILY, CORRECT? YEAH. BUT THE CODE RIGHT NOW, THE NONCONFORMING USE IN OUR CODE, ALLOWS YOU TO COME IN AND PULL A PERMIT, SO LONG AS YOU DON'T EXCEED 50% OF THE VALUE. BUT THE QUESTION IS WHAT? WHAT 50% OF WHAT VALUE? AND IS THAT 50% OF CUMULATIVE VALUE? OR

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SO, JODY, WHO IS IT BETWEEN THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN REPLACEMENT AND RENOVATION, IS THERE ANOTHER LEVEL THAT COULD GO IN THERE? SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATION. MAYOR CLARK SO WHEN WE ADOPTED THE FORM BASED CODE IN 2023, WE DID VISIT THIS AND ADDED A DEFINITION TO PUT IN A CUMULATIVE OVER THE THREE YEARS. IF YOU HAVE A NONCONFORMING USE. SO WE DID ADD THAT DEFINITION IN THERE. SO IT IS. YES. OVER THE THREE YEARS. SO IF THEY COME IN FOR A BUILDING PERMIT AND THEIR ASSESSED VALUE WAS 100,000, AND THEN THEY COME IN NEXT YEAR, IT'S STILL BASED OFF THAT 100,000. IT'S BASED UPON ITS 50% OF THE ASSESSED VALUE. RIGHT. AND IT CAN ONLY BE THEY CAN ONLY SPEND 50% OF THE ASSESSED VALUE EVERY THREE YEARS. RIGHT? CORRECT. BUT THE ASSESSED VALUE CONTINUES TO GO UP. BUT MY QUESTION ALSO WOULD BE IN TRYING TO HASH THIS OUT AND FIX THIS, HOW WOULD YOU PREVENT. SOMEBODY JUST LETTING THEIR PROPERTY BECOME DERELICT. RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY JUST NEVER IMPROVE IT AS WELL. IF THERE'S THIS THRESHOLD THAT I DON'T WANT TO GO OVER, AND I CAN ONLY DO IT EVERY THREE YEARS, YOU COULD CREATE THE INCENTIVE TO NOT MAINTAIN OR UPDATE OR. WELL, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU WANT. IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO BE DUPLEXES SO THAT IT SELLS THE CUMULATIVE EFFECT, IT'S THE ASSESSED VALUE IS WHERE YOU'RE LOSING. IF YOU MADE IT ON THE VALUE AT THE TIME THAT THE PROPERTY BECAME NONCONFORMING, THEN THE NUMBER WOULD BE A MUCH LOWER NUMBER AND YOU WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO DO IT. AND IT ALSO IT CAN'T. THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS TO WHICH WOULD INCENTIVIZE THE SALE OR WHAT'S THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THE QUESTION. WHAT THE CITY I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I COULDN'T IMAGINE BEING THE GUY THAT OWNS THE DUPLEX AND HEARING THAT THE CITY WANTS MY BUILDING KNOCKED DOWN, RIGHT, AND MADE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. BUT THAT IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SAYING. IS THERE A SORT OF A BEST PRACTICE TO LEVERAGE THIS? IS THIS, YOU KNOW, WELL, IN THE PAST, THE COMMISSION HAS OR THE BOARD HAS DIRECTED STAFF TO ALLOW THESE PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN THEM AS DUPLEXES AND MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND CONTINUE TO ISSUE PERMITS TO ALLOW THEM TO BE SUSTAINED AS DUPLEXES. BUT IF IN FACT, AND BY THE WAY, I MEAN

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SO YOU COULD START IF YOU PASSED A NEW ORDINANCE, THE NEW ORDINANCE WOULD SAY STARTING NOW, THE ASSESSED VALUE OF ANY NON-CONFORMING USE WOULD EITHER BE NOVEMBER 1ST, 2024, OR THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY WHEN IT BECAME NON-CONFORMING. BECAUSE IN THE CASE OF THE DUPLEXES, YOU CAN'T TELL A $400,000 DUPLEX THAT IT'S RETROACTIVELY NOW GOING TO HAVE ITS ASSESSED VALUE BE $64,000, BECAUSE WHAT IT WAS IN 1980, THAT WOULD BE TAKING AN EX POST FACTO AS WELL. SO BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY NON-CONFORMING, YOU COULD SAY THAT IT'S NOT EVERY THREE YEARS.

IT'S THE ASSESSED VALUE OF WHAT IT HAS NOW, AND IT CAN'T EXPAND THE USE. AND THEN YOU MAY WANT TO DEFINE WHAT EXPANDING THE USE IS. AND WE CAN BRING THAT BACK AS WELL. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE DEFINITION OF EXPANDING USE IS INCREASING SQUARE FOOTAGE. BUT MODERNIZING THE KITCHEN, MODERNIZING THE BATHROOMS, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IMPACT WINDOWS IN AS OPPOSED TO JEALOUSY WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, IS THAT EXPANDING THE USE OR IS THAT MAINTENANCE. SO AND THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND YOU GUYS KIND OF LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY, RIGH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CODY. YES, MA'AM. I'M JUST WAITING FOR MR. CRANE. THERE YOU GO. SO DOES THE BOARD WANT TO GO THROUGH EACH SPECIFIC USE OR OR ARE YOU JUST LOOKING JUST TO. GENERAL, THIS IS LIKE I SAID, THIS IS WHAT STAFF WILL LOOK AT WHEN THOSE DIFFERENT REQUESTS COME IN. THIS. THESE ARE THE TWO TABLES THAT WE RELY ON. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE COMMISSIONERS THAT YOU SHOULD GO THROUGH THESE TABLES AND REVIEW THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT THAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, STRONG FEELINGS TOWARD. OR AGAIN, LET ME SEE WHERE MUSEUMS FALL UNDER THE EAST STUART CODE.

OH, OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF NOW IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME BECAUSE WE'RE JUST GETTING INTO IT OR LATER, BUT KIND OF WHAT I BROUGHT UP INITIALLY FOR THE RATIONALE FOR THE CIP WAS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL AND PROBABLY WAIT TO GET A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THIS BEFORE WE GET THERE. BUT BALANCING FLOOR AREA RATIO WITH THE UNITS PER ACRE AND RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NOW, THE WAY WE DO THIS, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, IS YOU CAN HAVE ALL THAT FLOOR AREA RATIO AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO HAVE UNITS PER ACRE FOR RESIDENTIAL IN THAT COMPONENT. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS WE GO FORWARD IS SORT OF DECIDE WHAT WE WANT THE UNITS PER ACRE TO BE RESIDENTIAL WISE WITHIN CONDITIONAL USE. MAYBE IT'S STAYS 30, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING LESS, MAYBE IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN WHAT YOU GET BY, RIGHT? AND THEN SORT OF ANCHORING TO THAT AND THEN HAVING FLOOR AREA RATIO AND COMMERCIAL BE A SIMILAR TYPE OF INTENSITY. THAT WAY YOU CAN MARRY THOSE TWO AND TRULY HAVE THAT SLIDING PERCENTAGE RATIO SCALE. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 70, 30 OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT THE TWO ARE ARE MARRIED AND YOU CAN'T GET MORE THAN SORT OF WHA, 100% OF THAT WOULD BE TOTAL. BUT RIGHT NOW YOU CAN GET BOTH. YOU CAN KIND OF DOUBLE DIP WAS THE LANGUAGE I'D USED. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE AS WE GET DOWN

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PERFECT. THIS IS HOW IT DEFINES DENSITY IN YOUR DENSITY IN YOUR R THREE AND R M. OH LET ME INTERRUPT YOU. STORAGE UNITS IN THE PREVIOUS SECTION STORAGE UNITS ARE ARE ALLOWED BECAUSE I KNOW THAT. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FRUSTRATION WITH STORAGE UNITS THAT PARTICULARLY OUT. SO YEAH WHAT ARE THOSE P'S ON US. ONE THERE. YEAH. YEAH. THAT WAS ONE MORE THING I WANTED TO BRING UP. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THING IN IN A RESIDENTIAL HOME OR THE CUBESMART RIGHT THERE ON US. ONE STORAGE. OKAY. SO I HIGHLIGHTED THAT SHOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, AN INDUSTRIAL USE.

AND I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S ALLOWED IN MORE THAN INDUSTRIAL. RIGHT. EXACTLY. FOR INDUSTRIAL IT'S. I MEAN AND B4 DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A B4 MAP TO SHOW US WHERE B4 IS? I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT. LIKE THAT WAS A BIG FRUSTRATION WITH PEOPLE. IS SEEING THAT GIANT CUBESMART RIGHT THERE. NO OFFENSE IF YOU OWN THE CUBESMART. THAT WAS ALMOST RIGHT ON IT. YEAH, EXACTLY. BUT IF IT WAS INDUSTRIAL LIMITED TO INDUSTRIA. SO ALL YOUR RED YOUR YOUR RED OR PURPLE? PURPLE IS YOUR B IS YOUR B4. THAT'S WHERE YOUR STORAGE UNITS WOULD BE ALLOWED BY. RIGH.

SO AND THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED IN JUST STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL. THEY'RE NOT RIGHT.

IT'S B4. RIGHT. SO DOWN THERE. RIGHT. SO CAN YOU. YEAH. CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON SOME OF THE SURROUNDING THINGS THAT ARE AROUND THEM. YEAH. RIGHT. IT'S A DARKER PURPLE. YEAH. DIFFERENT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT. RIGHT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWN THERE ON WILLOUGHBY BOULEVARD. WAS THE CUBESMART OR PUD CBD RIGHT THERE ON THE RIGHT THERE. ZOOM IN.

YEAH. SO IT WAS A PUD. SO IT'S ALLOWED IN A PUD. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IS POTENTIALLY REMOVING THAT USE AND HAVING IT JUST BE THE IPAD. RIGHT. AND THEN THAT'S ALL B4 ACROSS THE STREET. NO YOU SAID THAT'S THAT'S URBAN. URBAN CORRECT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WITH THAT MR. MCCRANE, HOW MUCH INDUSTRIAL LAND DO WE HAVE IN THE CITY? AND JUST SO I'M CLEAR TOO, WHEN A PERSON COMES IN FOR A PUD AND THE BOARD IS VOTING ON THE PUD, IF SOMEBODY CAME IN WITH A CPWD AND IT INCLUDED A SELF-STORAGE STAFF WOULD REPRESENT TO THE BOARD. THIS IS AN ALLOWED USE, RIGHT? IT WOULDN'T BE THAT THIS IS A DISCRETIONARY USE. THIS IS ALLOWED THE FACT THAT THIS IS A PUD MEANS THAT THIS USE CAN BE PUT HERE. IT'S NOT A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE DEVIATING FROM THE CODE TO GRANT IT. IT'S AUTOMATICALLY ALLOWED. THE FACT THAT THEY'RE HERE APPLYING FOR A CPWD AND MAYBE THEY'RE ASKING FOR A SETBACK WAIVER OR A PARKING WAIVER IS ONE THING, BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S A STORAGE ISN'T THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD TO VOTE YES OR NO. IT'S AN ALLOWED USE. SO THE BOARD WAS REQUIRED TO VOTE YES ON THE ACTUAL USE OF STORAGE. SO IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S IN, THE THING ISN'T ALLOWED USE, ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A DISCRETIONARY BECAUSE IT'S CPWD IT'S REPRESENTED TO THE BOARD AS THIS IS ALLOWED. IT'S NOT A WAIVER WHERE IT WAS FORGIVE ME. RIGHT. WHEREAS IF IT WAS PROHIBITED IT WOULDN'T EVEN BE IN COULD IT ONLY BE IN THE IPD OR. YEAH, IF IT WASN'T IN B4 OR B4. RIGHT. AND THAT'S A FINE LINE WHEN WE'RE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS, WHEN WE HAVE A QUASI JUDICIAL THING MEETING AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING VERSUS THE LAND USE AND WHAT WE CAN DISCUSS AND HOW WE CAN SEPARATE THOSE, THAT'S YOU CAN ALSO PUT IT AS A WE HAVE CONDITIONAL USE IN THE CHART, BUT YOU COULD MAKE IT IN THE CHART THAT IT'S NOT PERMITTED OR YOU KNOW THAT IT'S THAT IT'S SO WE'RE WE EVERYTHING IN PD AND EVERYTHING UNDER THAT SAYS A FOR ALLOWED. SO IT INFERS BY ITS VERY NATURE THAT BECAUSE THE COMMISSION IS VOTING ON THE PUD,

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SO YOU'RE YOU'RE ALREADY DEFINING THE AREAS. SO OF YOUR COMMERCIAL, YOUR RESIDENTIAL, YOU CAN MIX IN SOME OF YOUR OPEN SPACE, YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS, YOUR DRAINAGE. BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO ALLOCATE IT BASED OFF YOUR YOUR PARKING DEMANDS. YOU WOULD HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT ALL THROUGH A MIXED USE PUD. RIGHT. SO THESE ARE THE WAYS YOU WOULD DO THOSE CONVERSION TABLES IF YOU WERE ACTUALLY DOING A TRUE MIXED USE. CHRIS, DO YOU MIND SHOOTING BACK UP TO THE ALLOWABLE USES FOR THE STORAGE? SO FOR ME THAT THAT SEEMS LESS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THAT BE A POSSIBILITY FOR A MIXED USE BEAUTY AS WELL. SO WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL LAND, USE THE KPD LANG KPD APPLIES. SO THERE THEY'RE COMPATIBLE. SO IF YOU TAKE THE REMOVE THE A AND SAY THAT WOULD JUST PUT A DASH, THAT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED, THEN ANYTHING THAT HAS A AND THEN MINI STORAGE. FORGIVE ME I'M SORRY. MINI STORAGE VERSUS GENERAL STORAGE IS THAT THE STORAGE IS THOUGH YOU CAN HAVE CARS. YOU CAN HAVE PALLETS OF STUFF OUT BACK. PEOPLE THAT HAVE A GRAVEL OR, OR SO PAVERS AND THEY STORE THE PAVERS OUT BEHIND THEIR PROPERTY. THAT'S ALSO STORAGE. THE MINI STORAGE IS A BUSINESS OF THESE LITTLE, YOU KNOW, TEN BY TEN CUBES FOR EVERYBODY RENTS OUT A LITTLE STORAGE APARTMENT VERSUS WAREHOUSE STORAGE IS AN AIRPORT HANGAR OR STERLING WANTED BY THE GRAMMY RUG AND STORE CARS IN THE BACK. 70% OF HIS PRIVATE STORAG.

THAT WOULD BE GENERAL. THAT'S A GENERAL STORAGE, RIGHT? OKAY. SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THAT ALSO BE LIMITED TO INDUSTRIAL. SO IN OUR YEAH, IF YOU GO TO CHAPTER 12 THAT'S WHERE OUR DEFINITION LIE. SO THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD GO BACK TO SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MANY VERSUS THE GENERAL. EXACTLY. SO THAT MAKES SENSE THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE GENERAL STORAGE BE WITHIN COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE COMMERCIAL FUNCTION. BUT MINI STORAGE IS ITS OWN SEPARATE KIND OF. BUILDING IT CAN BE IN COMMERCIAL. RIGHT. OKAY. SO THIS WOULD BE MY THOUGHTS. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S CONSENSUS ON IT, BUT REMOVING THE MINI STORAGE, THAT TYPE OF STORAGE BUSINESS OUT OF THE B-4 AND HAVING IT STAY WITHIN INDUSTRIAL AND THEN WITHIN A BEAUTY FUNCTION, HAVING IT NOT BE ALLOWABLE WITHIN KPD OR MIXED USE, BUT LIVE EXCLUSIVELY WITHIN IT. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME THAT THAT'S AN INDUSTRIAL FUNCTION SO THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING HAPPENING OUT THERE ON US, ONE WHERE THAT SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL. MY THOUGHT. SO YOU'RE ASKING TO REMOVE. SO THE ONLY USE WOULD BE THROUGH AN IPAD, IPHONE OR IPAD. IT COULD BE BY RIGHT THROUGH INDUSTRIAL OR THROUGH A THROUGH IPAD. OKAY. WOULD BE MY THOUGHT IN TERMS, OF COURSE, OF BUSINESS. MY WHAT HAS BEEN OUR APPROVALS? I KNOW WE'VE HAD INDIAN STREET WITH OTHER ONE. THEY'RE THEY'RE ALL IN COMMERCIAL RIGHT. YEAH. I THINK THAT WILL BE LIMITING PEOPLE USE OF THEIR LAND AND BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY. IF THEY HAVE COMMERCIAL ALREADY AND THEY'RE SEEKING TO DO THAT. WE COULD

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COMMISSIONER. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GOING TO GO ITEM BY ITEM, AND I HAVE TO LEAVE IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT JUST AS A GENERAL COMMENT, LAND USE AND ZONING NEED TO STAND ON THEIR OWN. IT IS NOT BUSINESS SPECIFIC. SO IF YOU'RE, FOR EXAMPLE, REQUESTING THAT A STORAGE FACILITY NEEDS A LAND USE CHANGE TO BECOME INDUSTRIAL OR IT TO BE BUILT, LET'S SAY WE WEREN'T THEM. THE INDUSTRIAL LAND USE CHANGE TO BECOME A STORAGE FACILITY. WELL, NOW THAT PARCEL HAS INDUSTRIAL LAND USE POTENTIALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY. THE CUBESMART THE WAY IT IS TODAY COULD NEVER HAVE AN INDUSTRY AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT OUR CODE IS ALLOWING AN INDUSTRY. WE CANNOT CODE FOR. IT'S ILLEGAL ACTUALLY TO CODE FOR SPECIFIC USES. IT HAS TO STAND ON ITS OWN. SO IF YOU'RE SAYING ANYWHERE WHERE I HAD A STORAGE FACILITY, WHICH, BY THE WAY, I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF DESIGN, THERE'S SOME VERY URBAN ONES AND AREAS THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE. THEY'RE THERE. AND THEY DO HAVE A MIX OF USES. THEY HAVE RETAIL ON THE GROUND FLOOR, THEY HAVE CAFES. IT HAS CHANGED A LOT. WE'RE JUST WE JUST PROBABLY HAVE A BAD EXAMPLE HERE. BUT THEN YOU'RE ALSO SAYING, HEY, LET'S SAY I ALLOW IT, IT CHANGES. I COME IN WHEN THAT BUSINESS GOES AWAY. NOW I CAN HAVE ANY INDUSTRY THAT IS ALLOWED IN MY CODE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. IS THAT THE INTENT? SO IT NEEDS TO STAND ON ITS OWN AND, YOU KNOW, CANNOT BE DONE TO A SPECIFIC USE. I THINK THE COMMISSIONER WAS TALKING THE EXACT OPPOSITE. CURRENTLY, THERE'S A SPOT ON THE CORNER OF THE CURVE OF US ONE. IT'S NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE NOW CHANGE THAT TO INDUSTRIAL LAND USE. THAT WOULD BECOME A NON-CONFORMING COULD, THAT COULD STAY AS A NON-CONFORMING COULD UNTIL IT WENT OUT OF BUSINESS FOR MORE THAN 180 DAYS. BUT IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND SAID, I OWN THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO WALMART ON US, ONE AND IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL, I WANT TO CHANGE THAT ONE PARCEL TO INDUSTRIAL SO THAT I CAN MAKE THAT A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO PUT THERE IS CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE SPOT ZONING AND IT WOULD ALSO BE A NON-CONFORMING METHOD OF AN INCOMPATIBILITY WITH FUTURE LAND

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SORRY, I JUST I HAVE TO ANSWER IF IT IS A WORKSHOP, I DON'T THINK WE CAN USE LIGHTLY THE TERM. WELL, THEY WOULD JUST BECOME NON-CONFORMING. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS. THERE'S A TON OF I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE CASE OF SELLING A YO YO. WE WOULD HAVE. AND I'M SORRY, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FLIP, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF YO YO STORES. BUT I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF USES THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY, IN ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED BY THIS BOARD, BECOME NONCONFORMING. NONCONFORMING HAS A DIRECT HIT ON THE POTENTIAL VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY. DIRECT HIT, IMMEDIATE PERCEPTION OF WHAT ITS VALUE IS. SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT TURNING THINGS NON-CONFORMING, NON-CONFORMING SO LIGHTLY. I ALSO DON'T THINK WE CAN IGNORE THE FACT THAT THERE IS A LOOPHOLE IN THE STATUTES THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO CERTAIN THINGS WITHOUT AN ECONOMIC ANALYSIS, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE HAVE A BOARD THAT COMMISSIONER READ, FOR EXAMPLE, DECIDED NOT TO VOTE ON BRIGHT LINE BECAUSE HE WANTED TO KNOW HOW MUCH THE TRAIN TICKETS WERE GOING TO BE.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO BE THAT SPECIFIC IN THAT CONCERNED ABOUT ECONOMIC IMPACT TO OUR RESIDENTS, GOSH, LAND USE AND MAKING NONCONFORMING PROPERTIES SHOULD BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY AND ANALYZED WITH AS MUCH CARE. THANK YOU. MR. MCCRAY AND MISS NETWORK GOOGLER COOGLER. THANK YOU. ARE WE DID YOU WANT TO GO OR ANY OTHER? OKAY, I THINK YOU GUYS GOT MY THOUGHT. OKAY. NEXT WE'LL BE MOVING OVER TO DENSITY. THIS IS PROBABLY AN AREA WHERE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS IN ON. YES. OKAY. IF YOU COULD BRING UP THE CHART. AGAIN THIS IS ANOTHER CHART THAT STAFF WILL LOOK AT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT DENSITY. HOW MUCH RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL I CAN ADD TO MY PROPERTY. AND BASED OFF YOUR LAND USE AND YOUR ZONING DISTRICT, THIS IS HOW YOU CALCULATE YOUR DENSITY. AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR MIXED USE, YOU CAN HAVE UP TO 15 UNITS. BUT THERE IS A LITTLE DENOTE FOOTNOTE. SO YOU GO DOWN AND READ NUMBER FIVE. WHAT THAT MEANS. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF THOSE FOOTNOTES IN OUR CHART. SO THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD GET THOSE BONUS UNITS WHERE THE HALF IT'S CALCULATED FOR THES IS HOW RESIDENTIAL FOR DENSITY PURPOSE.

SO WE CAN GO BACK UP TO THE CHART FOR EXAMPLE IN YOUR R1. AND R2 YOU'RE ALLOWED UP TO HAVE SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE IN YOUR PUDS. THERE'S AGAIN THERE'S A NOTE TO NOTE THERE. YOU CAN HAVE I THINK THE THREE WOULD SAY YOU CAN HAVE UP TO 30 UNITS PER ACR. IF YOU GO THROUGH AN RPD PROCES.

OF SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DWELLING UNITS. SO THAT'S HOW WE WOULD LOOK AT THE DENSITY BY RIGHT THAT THE R1 AND R2 AND R3, I MEAN OUR R1, A R1, AND R2 CAN HAVE UP TO SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE.

NOW THAT IS NOT BY RIGHTS, YOU STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR SIZE, YOUR LOT SIZE, YOUR SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. SO YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO INTEGRATE THAT AS WELL. BUT THE TOTAL ACREAGE GOES TO CALCULATE THE CORRECT. SO IF YOU HAVE A PROPERTY THAT'S MORE THAN ONE ACRE, OR IF YOU HAVE AN ACRE PROPERTY AND YOU HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO MAKE THOSE BUILDABLE LOTS BASED ON THE LOT SIZE AND THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, YOU CAN HAVE UP TO SEVEN UNITS. SO I DIDN'T. IF YOU WANT TO GO LIKE IN YOUR MIXED USE, YOU CAN HAVE 30 UNITS PER ACRE. IF YOU GO THROUGH A MIXED USE PROCESS AS OPPOSED TO JUST 15 BY RIGHT. SAME THING WITH YOUR OFFICE AND RESIDENTIAL. AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE YOUR R3. YOU CAN HAVE UP TO TEN UNITS THROUGH AN RPD. YOU CAN HAVE 15 UNITS AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S CALCULATED. A COMMERCIAL. SO WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE URBAN CODE DISTRICT AND THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. YOU HAVE THAT 30 OKAY. 30 SO IN YOUR EAST STEWART TODAY IT USED TO BE 15. NOW YOU CAN HAVE 17 BY RIGHT. IF YOU GO THROUGH AN

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YEAH. IT WAS OH, I'M GOING TO ASK JESSICA TO TALK ABOUT EAST STEWART AND A LITTLE. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT EAST STEWART NOW? OKAY. OKAY. IF WHAT TIME DO YOU HAVE THE. OKAY. SO THIS IS HOW YOUR DENSITY IS CALCULATED OKAY. SO IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR COMMERCIAL LAND USE, IF CHRIS COULD BRING THAT UP PLEASE. AND YOUR COMMERCIAL LAND USE AND IF YOU HAVE AN R3 ZONING DISTRICT YOU CAN HAVE UP TO TEN UNITS PER ACRE. YOUR B1, YOU CAN HAVE TEN UNITS PER ACRE. AGAIN, IF YOU GO TO YOUR YOUR COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS DIFFERENT EQUATIONS RIGHT THERE.

BUT YOU CAN HAVE THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AS WELL. I THINK THIS IS WHERE COMMISSIONER COLLINS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FAR BEING BEING COMBINED WITH THE MATTER, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF I HAVE A IF I HAVE A TEN ACRE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND I CAN HAVE TEN UNITS PER ACRE, THAT MEANS I CAN PUT 100 APARTMENTS ON THE PROPERTY. BUT I CAN ALSO, IF THAT, IF THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY HAS A PAR OF TWO, I COULD ALSO PUT AN 80 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT BIG BOX STORE ON THE PROPERTY, AND BY STRAIGHT ZONING, I COULD PUT IN THEORY 95 APARTMENTS RIGHT? AND IT WOULDN'T IF I PARK IT AND DO THE SETBACKS, IT WOULDN'T BE A PUBLIC HEARING. THAT IS CORRECT.

THANK. HIS COMMENT WAS RELATED TO HAVING I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT ANSWER, BUT HAVING SOME KIND OF RELATIONSHIP THAT IF YOUR FA IS TWO SO 43,560 TIMES TWO IS ROUGHLY 90,000FT■!S ON A TWO AC, OR ON A ONE ACRE PARCEL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE INCREASING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE COMMERCIAL USE, THERE HAS TO BE A RELATIONSHIP TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNIT, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE THAT OR IF WE'VE SEEN IT ANYWHERE. THANK YOU. THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING. IF THERE'S A PRECEDENT FOR THAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PAR UNITS PER ACRE AND RESIDENTIAL, THAT THEY WOULD BE ONE AND THE SAME AND IMPACT EACH OTHER. YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH AT ONCE. SO IN OTHER PLACES I HAVE SEEN WHERE IF YOU'RE DOING RESIDENTIAL OFF THE NET ACRES AND NOT THE GROSS. SO THERE IS OTHER PLACES WE CAN LOOK AT. I HAVE OTHER AREAS THAT WE CAN KIND OF, SORT OF HOW FA RELATES AS FAR AS GOING TO HAVE ITS PARKING REQUIREMENTS. AND YOU KNOW HOW THAT RELATES AND TRANSLATES INTO UNITS PER ACRE WITH RESIDENTIAL AND HAVING SOME KIND OF ANCHORED LEVELS OF FA AND LEVELS OF UNITS PER ACRE. OKAY. WE DEFINITELY CAN LOOK AT THAT AND BRING BACK SOME SUGGESTED LANGUAGE. AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS OBVIOUSLY I WANT TO LOOK AT IS WHAT KIND OF DENSITY WE ALLOW WITHIN CONDITIONAL USE WITHIN THESE PUDS. PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT THE HALF UNITS SHOULD BE REMOVED ENTIRELY FROM EVERYTHING. I DON'T THINK THAT EVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN OUR CODE AT ALL. PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT WAS A HUGE MISTAKE. BUT BEYOND THAT, EVEN WITHIN, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONAL USE, RIGHT? WHEN YOU CAN GO FROM 10 OR 15 UNITS PER ACRE AND THEN WITHIN A PUD, DOUBLE THAT AND GO TO 30, I THINK IS QUITE EXTREME. AND WITH THE HALF UNITS POTENTIALLY BEING AT 60, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S WILD. SO I THINK IT'S INCONGRUENT WITH THE OVERALL TONE OF STUART AND WHAT I HEAR FROM RESIDENTS AND WHAT I CAMPAIGNED ON AND WHAT I CONTINUE TO HEAR, I THINK IT LEADS TO MORE OF THOSE BIG BOXES THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE WHO LIVE HERE. SO FOR US TO POTENTIALLY EVEN DISCUSS NOT ALLOWING 30 UNITS PER ACRE WITHIN PUDS, THE WHETHER IT'S THE URBAN DISTRICT OR CPD'S, YOU KNOW, OUR PUDS EAST STUART GROW BMU LIKE WE'VE ALLOWED 30 UNITS PER ACRE ACROSS THE BOARD DOWNTOWN. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT SCALING THAT BACK DRAMATICALLY. MAYBE 20 TOTAL INSTEAD OF 30. I'M JUST THROWING A NUMBER OUT RIGHT NOW. WE WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS THIS. TABLE THREE A CHRIS. OKAY, SO IT'S TABLE THREE. I'M JUST I'M TRYING TO MAKE THE NEXT ONE IS YOUR MAXIMUMS AS WELL. IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO CHARTS THAT ARE KIND OF THE SAME THING ALMOST. I DON'T I COULDN'T TELL EXACTLY. GO TO THREE A. YEAH. WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT.

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SO THE SMALLER THE PARCEL, THE EASIER IT IS TO REACH THE DENSITY THRESHOLD. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN YOU GET INTO AN URBAN INFILL AREA OR DOWNTOWN, YOUR BAR. AND IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY'S FLOOR AREA RATIO, THE HIGHEST FLOOR AREA RATIO IS DOWNTOWN STUART, BECAUSE LIKE THE BUILDINGS TOUCH EACH OTHER. SO THERE ARE LOT SIZES ARE LITERALLY 100% THREE STORIES TALL. SO IF THEY HAVE A BAR OF THREE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO. BUT THEN IF YOU TOOK COSTCO AND YOU SET A BAR OF THREE, THAT WOULD BE 50 ACRES TIMES 43,560FT PER ACRE TIMES THREE, AND YOU WOULD END UP IMAGINING A BUILDING AS BIG AS THE TEXAS STADIUM, WHERE THE DALLAS COWBOYS PLAY, BECAUSE THAT BAR OF THREE ON THAT MANY ON THAT MANY ACRES IS GINORMOUS. BUT WHERE THE LYRIC THEATER IS OR WHERE THE GREEN BUILDING IS NEXT DOOR, THE BAR OF THREE IS A VERY APPROPRIATE FLOOR AREA RATIO, BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS DESIGNED TO BE, YOU KNOW, 100% OF THE LOT COVERAGE AND THREE STORIES TALL. AND THAT IS WHAT BAR STANDS FOR, FLOOR AREA RATIO. WHAT IS THE RATIO OF THE FLOOR AREA OF THAT LOT THAT IS COVERED IN DOWNTOWN STUART AT THREE IS A THREE STORY BUILDING, 100% COVERAGE. THAT'S WHAT THAT STANDS FOR. I DEFINITELY WANT MORE STUDY. IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO RECOMMEND ANY, ANY CHANGES IN THAT TO REDUCE THE DENSITY, I'M GOING TO ASK MARCELLA TO SAY A FEW WORDS. I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS LONGER, BUT FIRST OF ALL, I'M REALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS IS WORKING. EACH COMMISSIONER IS GOING TO HAVE THEIR LIST OF THINGS OR YOU'RE ALL GOING TO AGREE ON ON SOMETHING, AND THEN WHO'S GOING TO DECIDE? BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER COLLINS, THERE ARE SEVERAL EXAMPLES. MARTIN COUNTY EVEN HAD A TIME WHEN THEY HAD A FORMULA. I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE IT WAS PUT IN PLACE BY MAGGIE HURCHALLA. IT WAS CHALLENGED. IT WAS REMOVED. PLACES LIKE DELRAY BEACH WHO HAVE AN UNDERLYING DENSITY OF 100 UNITS TO THE ACRE IN THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, HAVE VERY EXCITING AND ENTICING. BONUS PROGRAMS. OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE CARROT OR THE STICK APPROACH. A LOT OF THESE GOVERNMENTS THAT HAVE VERY LARGE UNDERLYING DENSITIES HAVE REALIZED THAT IN ORDER TO GET THE FORM THEY WANT, THEY CAN'T JUST TAKE IT. THEY HAVE TO OFFER SOMETHING DIFFERENT, PROBABLY SOMETHING THE MARKET WANTS. BUT THAT HIGH DENSITY IS NOT ALLOWING AS WELL.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. INSTEAD OF HAVING 101 HUNDRED DOING A 70 OVER 30, THAT STILL ADDS TO 100. OUR. MR. MARTELL, SINCE YOU'VE BEEN, I THINK, THANK YOU. ADDRESSING A LOT OF MY CONCERNS, OUR CODE IS WRITTEN THAT NOT THAT YOU HAVE EITHER OR. IT'S BEEN THE PRECEDENT HAS BEEN THAT YOU HAVE YOUR UNDERLYING DENSITY AND YOUR FATHER, SO LONG AS YOU SAID YOU CAN PARK IT, YOU HAVE YOUR SETBACKS, YOUR DRAINAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IN AN EFFORT TO CLARIFY THIS, AS MUCH AS WE'RE GOING IN DETAIL THROUGH THIS CODE, COULD WE ALL UNDERSTAND IF IT IS YOUR BELIEF THAT IF WE WENT TO AN EITHER OR OR NOW A COMBINATION WHERE SOMEONE THAT HAS AN AS OF RIGHT STRAIGHT ZONING, NOT POTENTIAL LAND USE, BUT STRAIGHT STRAIGHT ZONING

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OKAY. I MEAN, YOU OBVIOUSLY WHAT WHAT DID YOU EXPECT? THE ANSWER WELL, I EXPECTED THE TRUTH, BUT THAT'S OKAY. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE QUESTION IS THAT IT? BURT HARRIS IS THE CLAIMS, RIGHT.

IT'S NOT A TAKING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TAKING THE LAND AWAY FROM THE OWNER. YOU'RE DIMINISHING THE VALUE OF THE CLAIM UNDER A BURT HARRIS CLAIM. THE DIMINISHED VALUE HAS TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION IN THE USE OF THE LAND. AND WHATEVER THE CRITERIA ARE, I THINK THAT THAT'S ALWAYS A CASE BY CASE BASIS. AND OBVIOUSLY STAFF IS NOT GOING TO BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD IN THIS THING. THAT, NUMBER ONE, VIOLATE THE COMP PLAN OR THAT NUMBER TWO, EXPOSE THE CITY TO LIABILITY. SO MY THANK YOU WORKSHOP IS TO HEAR ALL THE IDEAS, PUT THEM OUT ON THE TABLE. AND THEN IT'S GOING TO BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS STAFF TO BRING THESE IDEAS BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND SAY TO THEM, HERE'S WHAT WE HEARD AND HERE'S WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO TO MEET ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA. NUMBER ONE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE ALL THESE COMP PLAN CHANGES NUMBER TWO, SOME OF THESE MIGHT RESULT IN BURT HARRIS CLAIMS. SO IN ORDER TO TWEAK THE BURT HARRIS CLAIM OR TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A BIRD, HARRIS CLAIM, LIKE YOU SAID, THE CARROT AND THE STICK, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CREATE SOME OTHER BALANCE TO THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT. FOR EXAMPLE, IN 2001, WHEN THE OVERLAY ZONES WERE CREATED, EVERYBODY HAD A RIGHT TO FOUR STORIES BY RIGHT IN DOWNTOWN. THEY WERE, THEY WERE IT WAS AUTOMATIC CODE. THE NEW CODE SAID THEY WERE STILL ENTITLED TO FOUR STORIES, BUT THEY HAD TO HAVE ONE OF THE STORIES HAVE RESIDENTIAL IN IT. SO THEY TOOK AWAY FOUR COMMERCIAL STORIES AND IT WASN'T A TAKING BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A SUBSTANTIAL DIMINUTION IN THE VALUE, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME MERIT TO IT, BECAUSE MAYBE THEY AND I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, MAYBE THEY INCREASED BAR, MAYBE THEY INCREASED THE SETBACKS, MAYBE THEY DID. OTHER YOU DO YOU DO THE STUDY AND YOU CAN PROVE THE STUDY OF THE ECONOMIC IMPACT AND THE I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF US BACK HERE ARE THINKING THIS IS LIKE A GROCERY STORE LIST. REMOVE THIS, DO THAT, AND WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IF YOU ALL WERE GOING TO TAKE A VOTE. AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT STAFF IS GOING TO ANALYZE THIS. AND REALLY AT SOME POINT COME BACK AND SAY THAT IS A GOOD IDEA OR NOT, YOU KNOW, AND HOPEFULLY THE BOARD WILL LISTEN TO STAFF AND NOT EXPOSE US ALL TO LAWSUITS AND JUST TRY TO PUSH AHEAD. THANK YOU. STAFF. THANK YOU SO IS THERE WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THIS DENSITY REQUIREMENTS. I HEARD I TOOK THE NOTES. IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WE CAN OR IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDING POTENTIALLY DECREASING THE DENSITY THAT WE WOULD ALLOW WITHIN CONDITIONAL USE. CORRECT. YEAH I DID MAKE THAT NOTATION PERFECT. THANK YOU. MOVING FORWARD. SO THIS IS AGAIN ANOTHER TABLE THAT WE DO CONSIDER. IF YOU'RE OUT OF THE CRA. THESE ARE YOUR DENSITY REQUIREMENTS. IF YOU'RE IN THE CRA THESE ARE YOUR DENSITY BY RIGHTS. WITHIN THE PDS CAN I MAKE I HAVE KIND OF A QUESTION FOR YOU AND LEE ALONG MARCELA'S WAVELENGTH. YOU KNOW, WE'VE I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN A WORKSHOP IN THE PAST WHERE WE EVER DECREASED DENSITY, YOU KNOW, ALL ALONG THE DECADES, IT SEEMS LIKE THE TRAJECTORY IS INCREASING DENSITY ALLOWANCES IS A CITY NOT ALLOWED TO SCALE BACK WITHOUT IT BEING A TAKING. IT SEEMS LIKE AT SOME POINT. THAT HEY, I DON'T YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO GIVING LEGAL ADVICE, OPINIONS ON WHETHER WE'RE. BECAUSE IF MY ANSWER WAS WE CAN'T GO BACK, WE COULD NEVER CHANGE IT. RIGHT? MENTIONED EARLIER IF WE SCALED BACK, BUT WE GAVE THEM SOMETHING ELSE THA.

ALSO. BUT IF WE GAVE MORE VALUE RIGHT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIMINISHING VALUE. BUT IF AT

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AGAIN, SIMILAR TO WHAT MR. MARTEL SAID, WE DON'T I DON'T SOMETHING I MIGHT SAY COULD BE USED IN A COURT OF LAW LATER, BUT IT MAY. I MEAN, BY REDUCING DENSITY, IT MAY CAUSE A LAWSUIT AND DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PREVAIL. BUT AGAIN, THEY MAY WIN. SO YES, IT COULD EXPOSE THE CITY BY DOING. BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE FACTORS INVOLVED THAN JUST THAT. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT JODY OKAY. THANK YOU. SO. THIS IS YOUR FLOOR AREA RATIO THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. THIS IS HOW IT'S CALCULATED TODAY. AND WE CAN VISIT THAT AS WELL. EXACTLY. SO THIS GETS DOWN TO YOUR SETBACKS YOUR HEIGHT. THIS IS ALL THAT YOU. NOW YOU HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM LOT SIZES, YOUR SETBACKS, YOUR OPEN SPACE, YOUR MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS AREAS. SO THIS IS ALSO IN CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE COMMERCIAL. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LAND, USE THE ZONING, THE PERMITTED USE AND HOW IT'S APPLIED. YOU ALSO HAVE TO REFER BACK TO THIS CHART AS WELL. JODY, ON THAT MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT, I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD SOMETHING. I THINK IT WAS WITH THE HOTEL OR, OR MAYBE EVEN WITH THE HOSPITAL, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WHEN PEOPLE NEED TO PUT CERTAIN THINGS, WHETHER TO COVER AIR CONDITIONING, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE ESSENTIALLY THE HEIGHT OF THE WHERE THE ROOF LINE STARTS.

BUT IT DOES MAKE IT ADD TO IT. BUT THAT'S WITHIN THE 35FT AND THE 45FT. SO IN YOUR SUPPLEMENTALS THERE IS PROVISIONS FOR YOUR PARAPET PARAPET THAT MEETS THE TO HIDE THE ACES. IN OUR URBAN WE HAVE THAT AS WELL. SO THERE IS PROVISIONS THAT DOESN'T ADD TO THE ACTUAL HEIGHT, BUT IT DOES HAVE A MAXIMUM. HOW HIGH YOU CAN MAKE THAT PARAPET WALL. LIKE IF YOU HAVE A, A, C AND YOU NOW YOU'RE PUTTING SIX FOOT WALL ON TOP OF THAT ROOF LINE, THERE IS A MAXIMUM REQUIREMENT OF HOW HIGH IT CAN BE. OKAY, CHRIS, WHAT CHART ARE WE ON? WE ARE ON THE ACTUAL SETBACKS REQUIREMENTS. YOUR HEIGHT FOR THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS AND YOUR LOT COVERAGE AND YOUR IMPERVIOUS AREAS. CAN WE HAVE. JESSICA, TALK ABOUT THE. ONE MINUTE. SUR.

I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF MINIMUM LOT SIZE. SO WITHIN WITHIN OUR THREE YES. WHAT ARE OUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE. YES. SO IN YOUR R3 IF IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY IT HAS TO BE A MINIMUM OF 4356. WHY IS THAT LESS THAN 5000. IT WAS ORIGINALLY 6000. YEAH. THIS IS WHAT'S NICE TO ME. BUT THERE IS SOME PROVISIONS. SO. SO FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU TAKE AN ACRE, ONE ACRE IS 42,005. R3 ALLOWS FOR TEN UNITS PER ACRE. SO OPINIONS PER ACRE. WHEN IT WAS ALLOWED FOR UNDER R3 WAS TOWNHOUSE, APARTMENTS, ETC. IT WASN'T DESIGNED TO BE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, BUT IN 2000, 1920 THE DIRECTOR PROPOSED THAT R3 COULD BE REDUCED THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO 4356, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS 40,516 BROKEN DOWN. SO THAT ONE ACRE COULD BECOME TEN SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THEN. HOME. NOW YOU HAVE VERY SMALL LOTS AND THERE'S SO THE PLAT WAS THE BOULEVARD THAT ACTUALLY HAD THE ROADS AS EASEMENT OVER THE LOTS, BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN, WHAT WAS THAT BEFORE? WHAT WAS IT BEFORE? IT WAS 6000, I THINK IT WAS 6000.

THAT WOULD MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT. THAT. 6000 FOR R2 AS WELL. AND SO R2 WAS 6000,

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THE MICROPHONE OVER THE 5000. OKAY. SO GOING BACK TO R2 SINGLE FAMILY R3 SINGLE FAMILY BACK IN 2000. YEAH OKAY. LET'S HAVE JESSICA AND JESSICA. YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY LOOKED AT THIS STUFF.

DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON 2056? I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC COMMENTS TO THAT. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK MORE AT WHERE THOSE R2 AND R3 ZONING DESIGNATIONS ARE REALLY APPLIED. MOST OF OUR ANALYSIS HAS BEEN BASED ON THE CREEK DISTRICT AND ESTER, AND THOSE ZONING CATEGORIES DIDN'T APPLY THERE. I CAN'T SPEAK TO LIKE THE POTSDAM NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ON CAMDEN AVENUE. YOU KNOW, THOSE LOTS ARE AND THEY PROBABLY ALIGN THOSE KINDS OF SIZES. SO, I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT DRIVING AROUND THE CITY, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU LIKE AND REFLECT, YOU KNOW, ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. BECAUSE SOMETIMES THESE THESE QUANTITATIVE METRICS THAT WE USE TO BUILD THE ZONING CODES, THEY DON'T GIVE YOU ENOUGH BACKGROUND. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WITH THE CONVERSATION ABOUT DENSITY. FOR EXAMPLE, ON CAMDEN AVENUE, THERE'S AN APARTMENT THAT IS 30 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE ON A YOU KNOW, A 0.13 LOT TO GO BACK AGAIN TO THE CITY MANAGER'S COMMENT ABOUT OFTEN YOU SEE MORE DENSITY ON A SMALLER LOT THAN YOU DO ON SOMETHING THAT'S A LARGE SITE. SOME OF THE BIGGER DEVELOPMENTS, THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HIT THOSE. THOSE METRICS. SO THERE'S A LOT THAT CAN BE BUILT INTO A CODE TO MAKE IT MORE PREDICTIVE THAN JUST FOR LOT SIZE TO THE TO THE COMMUNIT.

THANK YOU. YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE, STEVE, ABOUT THE. SO IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE WHEN YOU TAKE THESE THINGS WE CURRENTLY WE HAVE A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE NO MINIMUM LOT SIZE, BUT ALSO DO HAVE MINIMUM WIDTH. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN STREET FRONTAGE IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MINIMUM LOT WIDTH AND NO MINIMUM LOT SIZE, THEN YOU CAN FIT IT. BUT I THINK THE SETBACKS THAT YOU'RE JUST GOING TO GO INTO RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE ALL DOWN HERE BELOW. SO THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE LOT. SO RIGHT THERE IS THE MINIMUM SIZE IS TEN FEET. AND THEN 7.5. THEN HE CHANGED THAT TO FIVE. WELL THE FIVE I THINK WAS DONE IN LIKE 2003 OR 4. RIGHT WHEN THAT WAS DONE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT SAYS FIVE FOR ONE AND EIGHT FOR THREE, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WAS. WHY WOULDN'T THAT JUST BE TEN? BUT THEY'RE SMALL.

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AND THEN THOSE ARE THE BIG HIGHLIGHTS. SOME OF THE OTHER BIG HIGHLIGHTS ON HOW THAT CODE WAS MODIFIED SO THAT IT COULD BE MORE PREDICTIVE TO THE COMMUNITY, IS THAT THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR MAJOR PROJECTS TO BE PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY BEFORE IT GETS TO THE COMMISSION LEVEL, WHERE THEY MIGHT BE BEING ASKED FOR ANY CONDITIONAL USES OR A MAJOR, MAJOR SITE PLAN REVIEW. SO AGAIN, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE CODES, I'M HERE. THANK YOU.

JODIE, IT'S 3:00. I WAS GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BREAK FOR THE BATHROOM, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A BREAK. IF YOU DIDN'T MAKE A NOTE FIVE MINUTES, I'D LIKE TO SEE TEN FOOT ON THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THAT BACKS. AND OKAY, THIS WOULD BE CITY WIDE.

AND THEN THE OVERLAYS WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN. IT SEEMS CRAZY TO ME TO HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT, YOU KNOW, FOR A THREE STORY BUILDING. YOU SHOULD WANT THIS. SO THE EIGHT FOOT IS ON THE SO WHERE IT SAYS FIVE AND SEVEN AND THEN FIVE AND EIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT'S THE OUR OUR THREE DISTRICT, OUR OUR TWO SINGLE FAMILY, OUR THREE SINGLE FAMILY. SINGLE FAMILY OKAY. AND FOOT SETBACK ON THE. AND I'M SURE WE'LL HEAR FROM PEOPLE THE NEXT TIME WHEN WE. WHEN WE CITY CLERK IT WAS ADVERTISED FROM 1 TO 5. IS IT I BELIEVE IT WAS. YES. THAT WAS OKAY. I WANT TO TAKE A BREAK NOW

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A LOT OF THE PROJECTS WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE DOING 65. RIGHT. AND THAT'S SO IN 2019, I DO BELIEVE WE ADOPTED A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT CAN ALLOW YOU TO GO UP TO 65% IF YOU DEMONSTRATE THROUGH A ENGINEER AND THEY GIVE YOU A CERTIFIED PLAN, YOU CAN GO UP TO 65%. THAT IS ANOTHER PORTION OF THE CODE. I DO BELIEVE THAT'S IN CHAPTER SIX. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON. TABLE SIX I THINK I WAS ON THE WRONG TABLE. A TABLE. YEAH, RIGHT. OKAY. AND TABLE SIX IS YOUR COMMERCIAL. SO WHY ARE THE OTHERS LIKE 50 AND THEN NOT FIVE. BUT WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONES. RESIDENTIAL ONES. COMMERCIAL AREAS. TYPICALLY THE COMMERCIAL OR LARGER LOTS AS OPPOSED TO A SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI FAMILIES. IT'S ALSO I THINK THE IF I CAN SPEAK FOR A SECOND, THE OBVIOUSLY WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY ZONE AND I WAS MENTIONING LIKE THE LYRIC THEATER, IT'S IMPERVIOUS IS 100% RIGHT. ALL OF THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES ARE INTENDED TO BE 100%. THESE ARE NOT THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY. THESE ARE ODD ON US. ONE, YOU KNOW, ON EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD, ETCETERA. AND ESSENTIALLY, WHY DO WE ALLOW THIS TO BE 65 AND THE OTHERS ARE 50? BUT SHOULDN'T THIS BE SHOULDN'T YOU HAVE LESS? IT'S IMPERVIOUS. SO I CAN ALSO TELL YOU THAT TECHNOLOGY HAS ALSO CHANGED DRAMATICALLY. IT USED TO BE THAT THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS PERMEABLE PAVERS AND PERMEABLE ASPHALT. AND SO IN ORDER FOR SOMEONE TO PUT A PARKING LOT IN OR WHATEVER, THEY WERE PRESSING THE 50% THRESHOLD VERY QUICKLY. BUT NOW TECHNOLOGY HAS GONE A LONG WAY. AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS YOU COULD DO. NUMBER ONE, YOU COULD INCENTIVIZE IT. AND SAY, LOOK, WE'LL STILL LET YOU GO TO 65, BUT TO GO TO 65, YOU HAVE TO ENHANCE YOUR STORMWATER OR YOU HAVE TO DOUBLE YOUR SHADE TREES, OR YOU HAVE TO DO WHATEVER IT IS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS THE DEVELOPED SURFACE, RIGHT? THE NATURAL HABITAT IS PERVIOUS. SO IT SEEMS INAPPROPRIATE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO FORCE HOMEOWNERS TO HAVE NO MORE THAN 50%, THAT CAN BE IMPERVIOUS. WHY ARE WE LETTING THESE SORTS OF DUTIES AND PROJECTS HAVE A 65? BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE DENSITY, RIGHT? AND WITH FLOODING, THIS IS A THAT'S JUST COMMERCIAL AREA. THESE ARE COMMERCIAL AREAS. YES, MA'AM. AND USUALLY THEY HAVE LARGER LOTS ANYWAY, I PUT THE NOTE TO IT. YEAH. OKAY. AND I THINK DURING THE COURSE OF BUSINESS YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK IT UP. MIKE I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. WE SHOULD PROBABLY BRING THAT BACK MAYBE WITH LOWER SLIGHTLY LOWER NUMBER 60%. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S GETTING CLOSER TO WHAT WE FORCE HOMEOWNERS TO DO. WHY? WHY SO MUCH DENSITY? THERE? WHAT WAS THAT? MR. BAGGETT? HE SAID CHRIS HIGHLIGHTED THE LANGUAGE. OKAY. YEP. AND THAT WAS WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO, THAT YOU CAN INCREASE THE IMPERVIOUS IF YOU CAN DEMONSTRATE IT TO AN ENGINEER. AND THAT IS IN YOUR R1, R2 AND R3, THAT'S INCREASE IT FROM 50 TO 65 FOR RESIDENTIAL RIGHT. RIGHT. BUT IN THE COMMERCIAL YOU DON'T NEED TO. IT'S JUST STRAIGHT. BUT YOU HAVE

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THESE GET INTO YOUR COMMERCIAL AND YOUR BOUNDARY SETBACKS LIKE I SAID, THESE ARE JUST SIMPLE.

OTHER REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE CODE. LIKE IF YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE OLDER HOMES OR OLDER AREAS, THESE WOULD YOU WOULD NEED TO LOOK IN THIS AREA AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. SO JODY, I'M JESSE IS GONE NOW. BUT THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE FORM BASED CODE IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THESE SETBACKS. SO LET'S LET ME JUST CALL IT NUMBERS. WHEN YOU HAVE THESE NUMBERS, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE DIAGRAM THAT SHOWS HOW, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE LAID OUT ON A PROPERTY ON A LOT AND WITH A FRONT PORCH AND SO ON. THAT MAKES IT, I GUESS, EASIER TO FIGURE OUT HOW HOW THE, THE COMMUNITY WILL EITHER MAINTAIN OR BE REDEVELOPED. COMMISSIONER CLARK, THAT IS CORRECT. YOU WOULD HAVE IN YOUR FORM BASED CODES. IT SHOWS DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDING TYPES AND SETBACKS AND YOUR FRONT LINE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PLACE THAT BUILDING WHERE DRIVEWAYS ARE ACCEPTED, THE SIZE OF THE SIDEWALK. BUT IT DOES SHOW DIFFERENT DIAGRAMS, LIKE IF YOU WANT TO STOOP, PORCH OR A BALCONY. IT DOES SHOW THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND DIAGRAMS AS WELL. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS JUST SUPPLEMENTAL BUILDING SETBACKS FOR WATERFRONT PROPERTIES. I DID A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THIS IS ACTUALLY IN YOUR CHAPTER FIVE. IT TALKS ABOUT YOUR YOUR SHORELINE PROTECTION. THE IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE CRA, YOU'RE

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AND IT DOES IDENTIFY WHAT A COTTAGE LOT IS. AND WHAT ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE FOR.

GO BACK TO THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING TO THE PRINCIPAL USE PERMITTED USE OKAY. YES. SO THEN DEALING WITH THE ISSUE THAT BONNIE BROUGHT UP, IT SAYS HOME OCCUPATIONS. THAT'S AN ALSO PERMITTED USE IN THAT SECTION. I GUESS WE HAVE TO DECIDE ON THIS ACCESSORY. COMMISSIONER CLARK, THAT IS GOING TO BE LOCATED IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS LATER ON IN THE CHAPTER TWO. OKAY.

THAT'S FINE. THANKS. THIS IS ALL REFERRING BACK TO YOUR COTTAGE LOTS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS LIKE A FORM BASED CODE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT DEPICTS WHERE THE COTTAGE LOT, THE ACTUAL PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE IS PLACED COMPARED TO THE ACCESSORY USE. AND HOW IT'S HOW IT'S TO BE DESIGNED WITHIN TWO, FIVE, YOU KNOW, SIX THERE'S THE PARCEL OF RECORD VERSUS LOT OF RECORD. AND I WAS WONDERING IF MIKE OR LEE, YOU GUYS KIND OF GIVE CLARITY TO THAT. THAT WAS THE. YEAH. SO IT IT MATTERS. WE'VE WE'VE ALWAYS TREATED IT AS PART OF RECORD. BUT WE HAVE GOTTEN THIS BASIS EARNINGS ON IT. THEY SAY IF YOU SAY PART WE'RE MAKING THIS DECISION WE SHOULD CHANGE IT BECAUSE YOU AGREE. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU THEN. OKAY. AND OBVIOUSLY CONTEXT OF THAT ONLY MATTERS IF YOU CHANGE THOSE OTHER LOTS. RIGHT. MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 5000

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AND IT'S MORE OF THE VOLUME. BUT WE COULD ADDRESS THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES AS WELL. I KNOW THAT IF FIRE CHIEF WERE HERE, HE WOULD TELL ME THAT HE TOLD ME THAT THE I FORGET WHAT THE PLACE IS CALLED RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE HOSPITAL OFF OF INDIAN STREET, THE NURSING HOME OR WHATEVER. IT'S CALLED THAT'S STILL OPEN. IT'S CALLED. BUT ANYWAY, IT HAD 350 ADDINGTON, ADDINGTON PLACE OR WHATEVER. IT'S CALLED. YEAH, IT HAD 350 CALLS. ONE LAST MONTH, THE MONTH BEFORE, 350 A MONTH, BECAUSE IT GIVES A LOT OF CALLS. SO COMPARED TO OTHER USES THAT HAVE YOU KNOW, APARTMENTS THAT MIGHT HAVE 1 OR 0 AND IT WAS AN INTENSE USE ON THE FIRE SERVICE OR EMERGENCY SERVICES BECAUSE OF THAT INTENSITY OF USE, RESOURCES THAT I HATE TO SAY RESTRICTING, BUT LIMITING THE NUMBER OF OR DISTANCE BETWEEN OR WHAT YOU CONSIDER NOW THAT WITH IT IN FRONT OF US THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT CODE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, I, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A CONFERENCE IN PRETEND TO PUT ON WEST PALM BEACH LAST WEEK. CALLED THE SILVER TSUNAMI. WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE NEXT 10 TO 12 YEARS, THEY'RE EXPECTING A AN ENORMOUS INFLUX OF BABY BOOMERS OR RETIREES TO BE MOVING TO FLORIDA. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN YOU CAN PROBABLY ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A HIGHER DEMAND FOR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES AS WELL. AND AS A RESULT, IF THEY ARE, IF THEY'RE COSTING MONEY TO THE CITY BECAUSE OF THE RESOURCES THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE DEMANDING AND WE NEED TO FIND THAT BALANCE. WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T OVERWHELM CITY SERVICES. AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE SIT DOWN WITH THE WITH THE FIRE CHIEF AND OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU'VE GOT AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY THAT'S GOT $300 A MONTH AND YOU PUT ANOTHER ONE, A BLOCK AWAY FROM IT, RIGHT, YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES THERE. SO YOU CAN YOU CAN KIND OF INTERNALLY START TO BRAINSTORM AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD. YES, IF WE HAVE THE LAND USE FOR IT AVAILABLE. ALL RIGHT. YES. IS THAT OUTSIDE? GO BACK TO AUTOMOBILE. I KNOW WE HAVE A BIG ISSUE WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE AND SALES. YEAH. INSIDE AN ENCLOSED BUILDING FOR. THEY'RE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE WITH

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. IS THAT WHERE I KNOW THE DISCUSSION CAME UP ABOUT. MIGHT BE KIND OF A FUNNY CONVERSATION. CHICKEN. NO. IT'S THE IT'S A HYDROPONIC. YEAH. THEY USED TO HAVE A GROUND FLOOR FARMS. BUT DOWN THERE A LITTLE BIT. THERE'S A DEFINITION FOR THIS AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT. WELL TALKS ABOUT A NUMBER OF CHICKENS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY. NO, IT'S NOT THE PRIMARY PURPOSE. OF THIS WE DON'T HAVE CHICKEN. BUT WHAT IS THE FUNCTION? THAT CHICKENS ARE ACCEPTED FOR. BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL, THIS IS NOT ALLOWE, RIGHT? SO WHERE IS THE TALK? WHERE DO WE GO BACK UP TO? TO THE USE GOING BACK TO THE. IS THERE'S THIS AND THEN THERE'S COMMUNITY GARDEN. IF THAT COMMUNITY GARDEN IS NOT COMMERCIAL USE. YEAH. IS IT A CLASSIC URBAN FARM? RIGHT. SO IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY? CHRIS, IF YOU GO BACK UP TO WHAT THE SECTION OF THE. YEAH, THE YES, THE USE TABLE. YEAH. SO THIS WOULD BE IN YOUR YOUR B1 DISTRICTS, YOUR INDUSTRIAL AND IT WOULD BE IN A ALLOWED BY PDS. YEAH I IT'S KIND OF A IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. BUT I HAVE HEARD SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE ASKED FOR SOME BACK TO HAVE THEM OR NOT HAVE THEM HAVE IT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS. HEAVILY. RIGHT. THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE HOME OCCUPATIONAL. THESE ARE SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS WHAT MRS. LANDRY WAS REFERRING TO AS FAR AS THE HOME OCCUPATION BEING ALLOWED IN, THE ACCESSORY IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE AN ACCESSORY BUILDING. THAT'S. IT HAS TO BE IN THE PRINCIPAL USE, NOT AN ADU. 2020, SORRY.

NINE. 06090 GOT IT. I MEAN, TO ME IT DOES SEEM APPROPRIATE THAT THE ACCESSORY. YEAH. I WAS JUST SAYING THAT TO ME. THE FUNCTION OF AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WOULD BE TO DWELL IN VERSUS MAKING A SECONDARY COMMERCIAL SPACE BEYOND THE PRIMARY. SEEMS MORE REASONABLE THAT YOU WOULD

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THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO COME WITH CONDITIONS THEY HOME OCCUPATION SHALL BE CONDUCTED IN ACCESSORY BUILDING SUBJECT TO A CONDITIONAL USE SUBJECT TO A CONDITIONAL USE. APPROVAL OKAY.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR IN THIS SECTION OKAY. NEXT. YOUR ADULT ENTERTAINMENT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING AT THIS POINT. WE NEED LOTS OF THOSE. GOT IT. THESE ARE YOUR TYPICAL STANDARDS FROM TELECOMMUNICATION FACILITIES. NOW LIKE THE FACILITY THAT IS AT THE CORNER OF MONTEREY ROAD AND A-1-A THAT I THINK THE PHONE COMPANY USED TO HAVE, AND THEN EVEN THE BELLSOUTH BUILDING DOWN HERE. IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? OR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL LIKE THE TOWERS AND THE TOWERS? YES. OKAY. JUST OKAY. JUST THE TOWERS. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. NOW WE GET INTO YOUR FORMULA, YOUR BUSINESSES. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY PART OF YOUR URBAN CODE AS WELL.

IF YOU COULD JUST PULL UP THAT MAP A LITTLE BIT, MOVE UP A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. SO THESE ARE THE BOUNDARIES THAT ARE IN YOUR FORMULA BASED DISTRICTS. SO IN THE URBAN AREA YOU CAN A FORMULA BASE IS LIKE A ENTERPRISE LIKE A DUFFY'S OR A KFC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT WOULD BE A FRANCHISE IN THOSE IN THE DARKER MAP. THIS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WITHIN THE THAT AREA IN DOWNTOWN AREA, EXCEPT. AND THIS WAS EXPANDED DURING THE FORMULA BASED. YEAH. WHEN WE ADOPTED THE FORMULA, THE NEW FORM BASED CODES. THIS THIS BOUNDARY WAS EXPANDED. DO WE HAVE A AN ACCOUNTING OF. BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THIS DISTRICT THAT ARE FORMULA. BECAUSE WE DO HAVE BUSINESSES HERE THAT ARE WE HAVE A CLOTHING STORE THAT CAME IN THERE BECAUSE THEY HAD SUCH UNIQUE THINGS. THEY WERE ALLOWED. SO THE INTENTION OF THE FORMULA RETAIL BUSINESS WAS NOT TO PROHIBIT FORMULA RETAIL AS MUCH AS IT WAS TO HAVE IT CONFORM TO THE STEWARD APPEARANCE. THERE IS A THE TOWN OF PALM BEACH HAS A FORMULA RETAIL. THE PALM PALM BEACH GRILL ON PALM BEACH ISLAND IS ACTUALLY THE SAME AS THE HOUSTON'S MENU, BUT BECAUSE THEY WANTED IT TO PERFORM LIKE LOOK LIKE THE ISLAND STUFF, IT WAS DESIGNED DIFFERENTLY. AND THEN, LIKE IN NEWPORT, RHODE ISLAND, THERE'S A MCDONALD'S IN NEWPORT, RHODE ISLAND ON THE MAIN DRAG, AND IT'S GOT BLUE SHAKER WOOD SIDING, AND IT'S GOT A BLUE HAND CARVED M FOR THE GOLDEN ARCHES, RATHER THAN THE YELLOW PLASTIC NEON MCDONALD'S SIGN, BECAUSE IN THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT OF NEWPORT, THEY DO NOT ALLOW THE FORMULA OR THE TRADEMARK STUFF TO COME IN AND INVADE THE THING WHERE WE HAVEN'T BEEN AS AS STRICT AS THAT ON OURS. BUT WHAT IT REQUIRES IS THAT IN THE EVENT A FORMULA RETAIL BUSINESS, WHICH IS A BUSINESS THAT HAS FIVE OR MORE RESTAURANTS OR PROPERTIES, WANTS TO COME INTO THE DISTRICT, THEY JUST NEED A CONDITIONAL USE. IT ALLOWS THE COMMISSION THE ABILITY TO LIMIT THE SIZE, LIMIT THE INTENSITY LIMIT THE YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT AWNINGS OR A BENCH OUT FRONT, LIKE WHEN HOFFMAN'S CHOCOLATE CAME IN, THEY JUST SAID, OKAY, WE'LL APPROVE IT. WE WANT YOU TO PUT AWNINGS OUT AND A LITTLE BENCH OUT FRONT, MAKE IT SO THAT IT MEETS THE CRITERIA OF THE COMMUNITY. THE TRUTH OF IT IS, IS THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, E

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JUST. YEAH. RIGHT THERE. JUST UP TO THE EDGE OF THE RIVER. SO THAT GOES. OR IS IT THE RIVER? THERE'S A CREAM BACK. THE CREEK BACK THERE. THE CREEK. YEAH. SO THAT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL. SO THERE WOULD BE NO THE POTSDAM AREA? YEAH. THAT'S FOR ANOTHER TIME. I WAS THINKING IF IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED, BUT THERE'S. BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE REDEVELOPMENT ALONG WEST OCEAN BOULEVARD AND IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE. SO WE REALLY NEED TO FIGURE OUT IF WE WANT TO INCLUDE THAT IN SOME TYPE OF A FORMULA AREA OR TO DO SOMETHING ELSE THERE. PULL UP THE BIG MAP AGAIN. LET ME SEE IT. HOW IT WHAT'S THAT STREET THAT'S GOING TO THE TO THE OCEAN? THERE, THE NOT THE OCEAN. THE WATER. WHICH STREET ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WEST OCEAN BOULEVARD. YEAH. WEST OCEAN BOULEVARD. THIS IS WEST OCEAN BOULEVARD RIGHT HERE. US ONE NORTH AND SOUTH. AND THAT'S NOT IT. THAT'S THAT JUST NORTH OF WEST OCEAN BOULEVARD. THAT'S NOT IT. THAT'S IN THE FORMULA AREA. THAT PART IS IT IN THERE. OKAY. AND SOUTH OF IT. SOUTH OF WEST OCEAN. YEAH. WHERE THE PURPLE IS THAT'S IN THERE. IT IS NOT WITHIN I BELIEVE BECAUSE THIS IS ALL RESIDENTIAL AND URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PARTS THAT HAS THE THAT HIGH DENSITY AREA RIGHT HERE THAT IS NOT INCLUDED. THIS IS THE FRAZIER CREEK ADDITION ADDITION ADDITION. AND THAT'S MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME BUSINESS. IT'S A COMBINATION THERE. IT'S A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, THAT. ALL RIGHT. I JUST THINK WE NEED TO LOOK, WE NEED TO LOOK CLOSELY AT THAT AREA BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE SUBJECT OF REDEVELOPMENT. THE CHURCH, I THINK, IS SUPPOSED TO BE MOVING AND. I I'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT WHAT WE DID WHEN WE HAD THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL LOOK INTO THE AREA. BUT OKAY, NO PROBLEM. DID YOU GUYS COME UP WITH A LIST OF ALL THE FORMULA BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THAT DISTRICT AND INCLUDE LIKE THE FINANCIAL ONES AS WELL? SO WE HAVE AN ACCOUNTING OF IT. WE DON'T KNOW, BUT WE DO. DID YOU

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THIS IS YOUR DOG FRIENDLY RESTAURANTS. SO DON'T MESS WITH THE MARIJUANA FRIENDLY. IS YOUR PAIN MANAGEMENT CLINICS. YEP. REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. ANY NUISANC? SO THIS GETS INTO YOUR. SO THIS IS YOUR URBAN CODE DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX. THIS IS STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICT. OH, I'M SORRY. EXCLUDED I'M SORRY. YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A SHOOTING RANGES OR SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS. JODY, CAN I GO BACK FOR A SECOND JUST TO POINT OUT SOMETHING TO COMMISSIONER COLLINS THAT HE HAD BROUGHT UP EARLIER ABOUT LANDSCAPING FOR SINGLE FAMILY? THIS THIS SECTION HERE IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL SECTION DOES INCLUDE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS. I BELIEVE IT'S BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOT ITSELF. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT WAS BEFORE WE PASSED ON IT. DID WE REQUIRE FO? NO. THAT'S IT. SO. TWO WHAT WAS THAT? 6.048. OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH, MAYBE IT'S ANOTHER ONE. ORNAMENTAL. WHAT ABOUT INCLUDING SHADE TREES? NO, I THINK I MIGHT BE MISTAKEN. I APOLOGIZE, I THOUGHT IT WAS IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL SECTION. THERE IS A SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AND IT'S BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF. MY APOLOGIES. CAN WE? THAT'S 50FT ON THE SHOOTING RANGE WITHIN 50FT OF A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT? THAT'S CORRECT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY NOW, EXCEPT FOR WHAT THE SHERIFF HAS. SO SHOOTING CENTER IN THERE OR NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S. YEAH, YEAH. I WONDERED. OKAY. SO INDUSTRIAL B4 AND B2 AND THEN IT CAN BE THREE COMMERCIAL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. SO IT CAN'T BE RIGHT. YEP. WHY DON'T WE HAVE AN ART STUDIOS OR MUSIC OR EXERCISE WITHIN THE B4 AND THE B3? I THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE AREA TO HAVE THOSE THINGS. ART STUDIO. DANCE STUDIO. THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, COMMISSIONER.

YES. OKAY. SO SOMETIMES SOMEBODY MAY HAVE A SMALL SPACE IN AN OLDER AREA, AND IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO AN ART STUDIO OR A DANCE STUDIO. FOR. TO WORK IT OUT. BEFORE HIS BUSINESS, MANUFACTURING. IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE IT. IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK. ARTS EDITOR.

THIS IS IN THE COUNTY, BUT IN GRAND PARK. PARK? OH, YEAH. YEA, YEAH, PEOPLE DO IT LIKE THE ONE AT. ONE PERSON. OR IN FACT, MY NIECES, THEY WENT OUT ON, ON 714 IN THE COUNTY IN THE COMMERCIAL

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YEAH, YEAH, IT'S IN A BAY. YEAH. YOU HAVE LIVEABOARDS. THIS IS THE REQUIREMENTS OF PANELS, VETERANS THAT VETERINARIANS ROOFTOP DINING. ALL RIGHT. LET'S LOOK AT THAT. LET'S RUN OVER THAT TOO FAST BECAUSE I KNOW THE IDEA HAS COME TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE FULLY AWARE OF THIS BEING IN THE CODE AND WHAT IT CONSISTS OF, AND IT SAYS IT RIGHT THERE. URBAN DISTRICT BY MAJOR URBAN CODE OR CONDITIONAL USE. E STEWART URBAN PLANNED UNIT, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT URBAN PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT. AND IS THERE ANY WATERFRONT? WHAT IS WATERFRONT? WHERE IS WATERFRONT? WHAT? WE DON'T HAVE A WATERFRONT SECTION. OH YEAH, WE HAVE WE HAVE URBAN WATERFRONT. YEAH. IS THAT JUST NOT ROOFTOP DINING? WELL, IF WE COULD. WELL, SOMETIMES SOMETHING COULD BE HAPPENING CLOSE TO THE WHEN WE WHEN WE INTRODUCED ROOFTOP DINING, THE BOARDS AT THE TIME WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ROOFTOP DINING AT ALL. AND THE NOISE THAT COULD BE GENERATED FROM IT. AND AS A RESULT, THERE WAS ONE PARTICULAR BOARD MEMBER THAT HE WAS VERY OUTSPOKEN ON OUTDOOR RESTAURANTS. AND SO HE MADE IT. HE WAS ADAMANT THAT IT NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE URBAN WATERFRONT AREAS. YOU MIGHT RECALL, THE COMMISSION WAS CONSIDERING PUTTING A CAFE AT THE PARK OVER THERE AS WELL. THAT WAS AROUND THE SAME TIME. YEAH, YEAH, BUT THEY WHERE THE SHEPHERDS PARK AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BROUGHT IT UP. AND IF THE PUBLIC IS HERE THAT THEY CAN, THEY CAN THEY CAN TALK ABOUT IT FIRST. BUT. IT'S GREAT FOR THEM TO SPECULATE. WAS SAYING NO LIVE BAND OR SEPARATE IS WHATEVER THE CONCERN IS THAT WAS CAUSING. IT THROUGH AS THE PLATES ARE ROOFTOP DINING, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE PLACES UP OF A FOURTH STORY, BECAUSE TRUTH IS, I HAVE A TWO STORY BUILDING I CAN JUST ENCLOSE THE ROOF AND NOW IT'S ONLY A THREE STORY BUILDING ANYWAY. OR BUILD A STRUCTURE OVER THE ROOF, BUT NOW IT'S NOT A ROOFTOP THAT HAS A ROOF OVER IT. SO THE OPEN AIR PATIO RESTAURANT IS REALLY WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR. AND THE IDEA BEING, I KNOW AT THE TIME THEY USED LIKE RIVERWALK AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF RIVERWALK OR ABOVE LUNA'S, THEY'RE LETTING PEOPLE SIT OUTSIDE. WELL, THAT'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR. WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH ALL THE REGULATIONS THEY PUT ON CAN'T HAVE ICE, YOU CAN'T HAVE A BATHROOM, YOU CAN'T HAVE ICE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT IF YOU JUST PUT A ROOF OVER IT AND BUILD SOLID ROOF, NOW YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY GOT A THIRD FLOOR AND YOU COULD DO IT ALL, JUST HAVE IT ALL OPEN. BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE IT OPEN. AND THEN SO THEN IT'S THE SEMANTIC IS. YEAH. IS THERE I MEAN, IT WAS IN A, IT WAS THE DEATH OF BAD INTENTIONS BECAUSE THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN, WRITTEN RESULTED IN ZERO. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU. IS THE BOARD GOING TO ENTERTAIN IF IT'S GOING TO BE ALLOWED IN THE URBAN WATERFRONT? IT'S NOT. IT DOESN'T. I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT THE TRACTION TO MOVE IT TOWARD THE URBAN WATERFRONT AT ALL. BUT IT'S ALSO I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD A SINGLE APPLICATION FOR IT. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF MINUTES AT 415, I'M GOING TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. OKAY. THIS IS JUST AREAS WHERE AGAIN, REGULATING GASOLINE IN CERTAIN AREAS OFF OF US, ONE IN PALM CITY ROAD. THAT WAS THAT WAS WHERE THE STORAGE FACILITY IS BECAUSE EVERYBODY ON

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BUT IF YOU MADE IT, LIKE I SUGGESTED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, IF YOU SAID AND ANY C OR ANY PUDS THAT DID NOT HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. SO AS A RESULT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A BLEND OF THE FAR AND THE AND THE DENSITY, BECAUSE THAT WOULDN'T FALL IN THERE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY DENSITY VESTING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SEEKING A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT AT ALL. AND AS A RESULT, IT WOULD JUST BE THOSE STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL USES. YOU COULD ALLOW THOSE TO MOVE FORWARD, WHICH WOULD IN FACT EXEMPT THOSE FEW THAT I DESCRIBED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING AND ALLOW THEM TO MOVE FORWARD. IF YOU BALANCE IT AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, WHAT IF WE DON'T? AND WE JUST WAIT TILL THE END OF THE ZONING IN PROGRESS AT THE END OF THE ZONING IN PROGRESS, IF YOU INCREASE YOUR PARKING FOR COMMERCIAL AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BLENDED FLOOR AREA RATIO WITH RESIDENTIAL, BUT I'M JUST STATING STRAIGHT COMMERCIA, THEN THOSE PEOPLE WOULD THAT APPLIED WOULD BE ENTITLED TO COMPLY WITH WHAT THEY APPLIED UNDER. SO TO CIRCUMVENT THAT, YOU COULD ALSO SAY THAT YOU'RE GRANTING THIS EXCEPTION SO LONG AS THOSE PEOPLE THAT IN THAT PUD ALSO COMPLIED WITH ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING CONTINGENCIES THAT WERE CREATED BY THE BOARD, NOW THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THEM ANYWAY IF

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SEACOAST CAN BE FOR THE COMMISSION TO THE VOTE. I DON'T GO FORWARD WITH THE MINOR FOR ONE REASON. WINN-DIXIE IS STRAIGHT ZONING. IT'S B2 IS ADMINISTRATIVE, SO IT'S REALLY BUT IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A PUD. SO THEY WOULD HAVE THEY MEET THE THRESHOLD AS A MINOR. SO THEY NEED ONE VOTE. THEY WOULD JUST NEED ADMINISTRATIVELY. RIGHT. WINN-DIXIE THEN WOULDN'T MEET THE EXCEPTION ZONING SO IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COME FORWARD. THE ONLY WAY TO COME FORWARD IS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T DO STRAIGHT ZONING. YOU CAN'T MAKE EXCEPTIONS TO STRAIGHT ZONING IN A ZONING IN PROGRESS, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE LIFTING THE ZONING IN PROGRESS.

SO THE WALMART WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO HAVE TO COME TO THE COMMISSION FOR A VOTE. IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR A VOTE. RAIMI WOULD NOT COME BEFORE YOU TO VOTE. IT WOULD BE UNDER A MINOR. BUT EVEN WITH THE CURB CUT, YES, IT'S UNDER THAT 10% THRESHOLD.

SO, I MEAN, I THINK THIS GETS MESSY. I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO HELP MAKE MAKE ROOM FOR EVERYBODY AND NOT BE A BURDEN, BUT WE'RE MOVING QUICKLY THROUGH THIS. I THINK WE'RE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB. I'D LIKE US TO JUST STAY FOCUSED, NOT BE TRYING TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS AND POTENTIALLY OPENING UP A CAN OF WORMS. YOU KNOW, I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO DO THAT WITHIN THIS. SORRY, SORRY, I WOULDN'T. I'M NOT LOOKING TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS RIGHT NOW WITHIN THE 90 DAY PERIOD. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAMMER THROUGH THAT. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB. WE'RE MAKING OUR WAY THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICKLY. IF WE CAN JUST STAY FOCUSED AND GET IT DONE, AND WE CAN LET EVERYBODY GET BACK TO BUSINESS INSTEAD OF ARGUING OR DEBATING EXCEPTIONS. RIGHT. BUT IF WE GIVE AN EXCEPTION FOR ONE, AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE FEELS LIKE THEY GOT SLIGHTED BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST OUTSIDE OF THAT THRESHOLD, IT'S A MESS. LIKE, LET'S JUST WE'RE AT A 90 DAY PERIOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I KNOW THAT HOPEFULLY IT'S LESS THAN 90 DAYS. I MEAN, HONESTLY, IF WE CAN MOVE THROUGH IT, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE LIKE 180 DAYS. YEAH. JUST BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF IT WAS SEPTEMBER 4TH TO OCTOBER 4TH IS 30 DAYS. NOW WE'RE OCTOBER 24TH, SO WE'RE AT 50 DAYS. IF WE ADOPTED EVERYTHING TODAY AND YOU DIRECTED STAFF TO BRING BACK THE CODE AMENDMENTS WE COULD BRING BACK, WE COULD GO TO THE LPA IN NOVEMBER. WE COULD HAVE THE DECEMBER MEETING FOR THE FIRST READING AND THE FIRST WEEK IN JANUARY FOR THE SECOND READING. BUT THAT'S ASSUMING WE HAD THE COMPLETE DRAFT WRITTEN AND READY TO GO RIGHT NOW, WITH ALL THE CHANGES ALREADY VOTED ON BY THE BOARD AND APPROVED, IT WOULD BE MID-JANUARY THAT WE THAT WE GOT IT HEARD. IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT AS WE'RE GOING TO WRAP UP THIS MEETING, THAT WE NEED TO SCHEDULE ANOTHER WORKSHOP FOR NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER AND THEN. SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT MY CALENDAR. WE COULD DO IT. YOU KNOW, THE 29TH, 30TH, 31ST OR FIRST, OR WE COULD DO IT.

ACTUALLY, WE CAN'T BECAUSE WE NEED A SEVEN DAY AGENDA NOTICE. SO AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THIS AGENDA OUT, IS PROBABLY MONDAY. SO THE SOONEST WE COULD DO IT IS MONDAY. THE 4TH OF NOVEMBER. AND WE SO WE COULD DO IT THE WEEK OF NOVEMBER 4TH TO NOVEMBER 8TH OR THE WEEK OF NOVEMBER 11TH TO 15TH. YOU GUYS HAVE ANY PREFERENCE? I'M AVAILABLE THE FIFTH OR THE SEVENTH. I'M AVAILABLE THE FOURTH, FIFTH AND SEVENTH. AND I'M GOING TO BE I'M GOING TO BE TAKING COMMENTS AFTER WE GET THE DATE. I WANT TO BE TAKING COMMENTS ON THE POTENTIAL TO INCLUDE EXCEPTION OR TO HAVE A PLAN OF ACTION FOR EXCEPTIONS. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER REED, YOU HAVE AN APPOINTMENT WITH ME AT 330 ON THE SEVENTH. SO CANCEL. I MEAN, THAT'S RIGHT. WE CAN GO OVER IT.

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WHICH DAY? WEDNESDAY, THE 6TH OF NOVEMBER. OH, THAT'S AFTER FOUR. YEAH, YEAH. SO THE SEVENTH AT ANY TIME IS FINE WITH ME. THE SEVENTH SESSION IPA RIGHT. WE HAVE AN LPA BUT THAT'S AT 5 OR 530. RIGHT. MAYBE DO THE MORNING. WE COULD DO 9 TO 1. THAT WOULD WORK FOR THE SEVENTH.

YEAH. THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE CALL ME WHAT IS THE CITY DOING AND WHERE ARE THEY MEETING DURING THE DAY? THEY NEVER MEET DURING THE DAY. AND BUT THEY'LL HAVE NOTICE AND THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO. I DON'T I DON'T I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO MEET AT NIGHT, I DON'T CARE. WE CAN MEET AT NIGHT. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S FINE. NO. 9 TO 1, SEVEN. NINE TILL 9 TO 1. OKAY, OKAY. IS THERE A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH CAMPBELL RIDGE OR LAURA GILBY? ARE THEY ONLINE? OKAY, WELL, WE'LL HAVE STAFF TALK TO THEM, BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT AS THE DATE. OKAY. AS A POTENTIAL DATE. THANK YOU. TWO PEOPLE HAD THEIR HAND UP, REMY AND MR. SCHWARTZ. MR. SCHWARTZ, I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE PRIVILEGE. THANKS. I'M FILLING OUT MY GREEN CARD, NOT THE CITIZENSHIP ONE. WE'RE. WE'RE 50 DAYS INTO THIS, AND IT'S SHUT DOWN. ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS. MY BUSINESS LOST AN $8 MILLION SALE THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE OF IT. MISSION THAT GOES WITH IT. OUR CONSTRUCTION COMPANY WAS TOLD WE CAN'T DO A AN IMPROVEMENT ON A BUILDING DOWNTOWN. HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL OR WHATEVER. I'VE WATCHED THE MEETINGS. Y'ALL HAVEN'T SPENT TEN MINUTES ON THIS TOPIC IN 50 DAYS. SO TO SIT THERE AND SAY, WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICKLY, YOU KNOW? IT'S A JOKE. THANK YOU, MR. DID RECEIVE A NOTE FROM COMMISSIONER RICH, AND HE'S AVAILABLE ON THE SEVENTH FROM 9 TO 1 BECAUSE HE'S ONE. ON SEVERAL ISSUES. I WANTED TO JUST BRING UP REITERATE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE BEING PUNISHED FOR GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. SHOULD HAVE NEVER PUT THE RATIFICATION LETTER IN. WOULD HAVE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO JUST RUSH THE PERMIT THROUGH, SLOW EVERYBODY DOWN AND WE WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE. RIGHT NOW AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A HOME RUN. BUT DOING THE PROCESS IS GETTING US PUNISHED RIGHT NOW. AND SECOND IS NOW I'M LOOKING AT MY PERMITTED USES FOR MY BUILDING IF I WANT TO MOVE. TRUST ME, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE WHAT'S GOING TO END UP BEING PERMITTED AFTERWARDS. SO I MEAN, YOU'RE KIND OF PUTTING ME IN THE SPOT. MR. SPERLING IS NOT GOING TO WAIT. THIS MEETING DECIDES EVERYTHING. SO YOU ARE CHANGING EVERYTHING. AND WHEN WE ABSOLUTELY DID WHAT YOU WANTED AND YOU'RE PUNISHING US FOR THAT? SHOULD HAVE NEVER WENT.

DID A VERIFICATION, SQUEEZED IT THROUGH, AND WE JUST WANTED TO DO EVERYTHING RIGHT. AND NOW WHAT? MINI STORAGE IS ONE OF MY THINGS. YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE A MINI STORAGE EVERY TIME YOU DRIVE BY PUBLIX INTO LOWE'S, OR YOU'RE GOING TO CUT MY LEGS OUT ON THAT ONE AND SAY, NO, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU. SO YOU JUST HAVE NOTHING LEFT AFTER THIS. I MEAN, WE WERE IN A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING THAT GOT DELAYED AND IN BETWEEN THAT PRE-APPLICATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS WHEN THIS HAPPENED, WE WERE A MONTH INTO IT AND WE WERE SIX MONTHS INTO BLUEPRINT, ONE YEAR INTO OUR DEAL, AND WE ARE NOW SHUT DOWN. AND I REALLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY AND THAT'S WHY I'VE DECIDED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MEGAN AND MR. COLLINS, SINCE YOU PULLED, YOU ASKED FOR THE ZONING IN PROGRESS IN THE LAST TIME WE HAD ONE, YOU ASKED FOR IT. ALSO, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH CHANGE WE HAD, BUT. AND I THINK WHAT CAN WE DO TO HAVE THE SAME KIND OF A MEETING, REVIEWING THE PLAN. BUT NOT HOLD ACTIVITY, NOT WITHHOLD ACTIVITY FROM OUR PEOPLE? I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT THAT YOU BRING UP. AND WHEN I HEAR COMMENTS LIKE THAT, I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION. TWO YEARS AGO, I TRIED TO GET THIS ACCOMPLISHED AND I HAD ALMOST NO HELP GETTING ANY OF THIS DONE. TWO YEARS AGO. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE TO BE HERE, NICK, TWO YEARS LATER DOING THIS TO YOU. IT'S THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO, MAN. BUT THIS SHOULD HAVE GOT DEALT WITH TWO YEARS AGO AND WE HAD A COMMISSION AT THE TIME THAT DID NOTHING BUT SLIGHTLY AMEND THE HALF UNIT THING. I'M SORRY MAN, I WANT TO GET THIS DONE AS FAST AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE SO YOU CAN

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UNFORTUNATELY, TWO YEARS LATER. THANK YOU, MR. BAGGETT. THE COURSE OF BUSINESS, A COURSE OF DOING THIS. I KNOW IN BOCA. WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY A MORATORIUM, BUT THERE JUST TALK TO US ABOUT THE POTENTIAL TO DO SOMETHING TO DO. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MR. COLLINS, BUT IF WE CAN COME TO A MEDIUM, I'D APPRECIATE IT. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS INSTEAD OF SORT OF DEBATING WHAT THE NATURE OF OUR FIT IS, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT. I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH WHATEVER YOU'RE TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW. BUT IT'S I DON'T KNOW. WE'RE IN THE 90 DAYS, AT LEAST WE KNOW. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POINT OF DOING THIS IS SORT OF GEARING EVERYBODY TO TRY TO COME TO SOME CONSENSUS. I DON'T I'M NOT WITH YOU. I WANT TO JUST SUPPORT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GO ON. MR. BAGGETT, YOU HAVE AN OPEN ENDED QUESTION. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE ONE NEGATIVE VOTE. AT LEAST HERE. WE'VE BEEN EXPRESSING THAT INTENT AND YOU HAVE THREE OF YOU TODAY AND TWO OF TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE MISSING. SO THE WATER I'LL BE RIGHT. OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU BRING A MOTION TO ACCEPT ANY OF THESE TODAY, MY IMPRESSION IT'S GOING TO BE VOTED DOWN. NO, YOU KNOW, NOTHING PREVENTS YOU FROM BRINGING UP A MOTION IN THE FUTURE WHEN ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS, OR AT LEAST ONE MORE COMMISSIONER PRESENT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE WAY OF TRYING TO GET BUSINESS GOING ON IS THE EXCEPTION. WE DO HAVE TWO EXCEPTIONS CURRENTLY. YOU'RE FREE TO MAKE A MOTION TODAY. YOU WOULD HAVE TO PASS THE GAVEL TO ONE OF YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND MAKE THE MOTION. BUT YOU COULD DO THAT TODAY. BUT AS I SAID, IT, MY IMPRESSION YOU'RE NOT GOING TO YOU GOT TO HAVE THREE VOTES TO GET ANYTHING ACCOMPLISHED TODAY. YEAH. AND I'M GOING TO ASK STAFF TO STILL LOOK INTO FRAMING SOME POTENTIAL EXCEPTIONS TO THIS TO SEE IF WE CAN GO FORWARD AND DO SOME DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT WHILE WE'RE WHILE WE'RE REVIEWING THE CODE, YOU DON'T HAVE. I DON'T I'M JUST ASKING STAFF TO LOOK INTO IT. YEAH. I THINK MOST OF THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE GOING FOR AS A BOARD IS A LOT OF IT'S MULTIFAMILY. I CAN ATTEST TO THAT. JUST FROM CAMPAIGNING VERY RECENTLY. AND THAT WAS THE BIGGEST THING WAS MULTIFAMILY. SO. THANK YOU. NO OTHER OKAY JODY. SO WE HAVE THE NEXT DATE IS GOING TO BE THE SEVENTH. BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AGAIN. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO SAY JODY. FOR NOW I DO NOT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SAVE THE URBAN CODE FOR YOUR NEXT WORKSHOP. I KEEP GOING. WE HAVE 30 MORE MINUTES.

OKAY. AWESOME. ARE YOU READY TO DISCUSS AFTER THIS IS ACTUALLY, THIS IS PROBABLY THE SECTION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO DIVE INTO. IS YOUR DESIGNATION OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS? YES. OKAY. SO THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS. IT IDENTIFIES YOUR FROM OUR COMMERCIAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT, YOUR INDUSTRIAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT, YOUR RESIDENTIAL.

THESE ARE THE COMPONENTS AND WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED AND WHERE YOU CAN. THEY'RE APPROPRIATE FOR THE LAND USE. SO IF YOU HAVE A PUD THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THE PUD. AND THIS IS THIS IS THE MAIN REASON WHY YOU REALLY CAN'T HAVE EXCEPTIONS IS BECAUSE EVEN WITHIN THESE PUDS. RIGHT. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WHICH I THINK IS A BIG PART OF THIS, I THINK WE NEED TO INCREASE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ON THESE PUDS. THAT'S GOING TO CREATE AN ISSUE IF WE'RE MAKING EXCEPTIONS TODAY FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS. TO ME, THIS SECTION IS TOO COMPLICATED. YOUR PUDS SHOULD BE LIMITED BY THEIR UNDERLYING LAND USE. IF YOU EVEN GO DOWN AND YOU START TO GET INTO THAT MIXED USE PORTION, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TIMES OF DAY WHERE THAT'S FACTORED IN. IT'S JUST IT'S TOO MUCH. I THINK IT'S TOO COMPLICATED. SO FOR ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO STREAMLINE THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS INCREASE. MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN CHEW ON THAT INTERNALLY, SEE WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL OR FOR BOTH? BOTH. BOTH. MIXED USE.

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IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S NOT. IT'S GOING TO BE CREDITED AS IF IT'S SHARED. AND IN THEORY, THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE AWAY. AND THEN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SHOW UP THERE FOR WORK ARE GOING TO DRIVE IN, AND THEY'RE GOING TO PARK WHILE THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE GONE FOR WORK. AND THEREFORE IT'S A SHARED PARKING LOT AND BOTH SIDES ARE USING IT. WHAT I WAS GETTING FROM COMMISSIONER COLLINS OR FROM THE FROM THE BOARD AS A WHOLE, ALONG THE LINES OF THE ZONING IN PROGRESS, IS THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE CREDITS FOR THE MIXED USE FOR, FOR THAT MATTER, ANYTHING. SO IF YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL USE ON THE FOURTH FLOOR OF A BUILDING AND IT'S A TWO BEDROOM CONDO AND IT'S PARKING IS ONE AND A HALF UNITS PER OR, YOU KNOW, A TWO BEDROOM IS 1.5 AND YOU HAVE TWO, TWO BEDROOMS, SO YOU NEED THREE USES THERE. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE AN OFFICE ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND IT NEEDS THREE USES, YOU NEED SIX. AND THERE IS NO COMBINATION OR NO FORMULA. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WHAT TIME OF DAY OR WHAT TIME OF NIGHT, OR WHETHER THEY'RE USING THE PARKING, OR THEY'RE QUALIFYING AS A SHARED OR NOT. THEY'RE THE INTENTION AT LEAST, THAT I WAS HEARING WAS THAT TO GO AWAY FROM THE SHARED PARKING OR REDUCED PARKING AND REQUIRE FULL FREIGHT, FULL PARKING FOR ALL USES, 24 HOURS A DAY, THEN INSTEAD OF HAVING THE TIME RIGH. IF YOU USE IT UP MORE SPACE. MR. THAT OR TALLER BUILDING. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE FOUR MINUTES. HI, MY NAME IS BRIAN BOWLES. ISN'T THAT ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THE CRA? I MEAN, WHEN THEY MADE THE OVERLAYING, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CONDENSED FOR DENSITY PARKING, BUT NOW YOU WANT TO GO BACK BECAUSE THE OLD B2 ZONING AND A LOT OF THESE AREAS HAD MORE PARKING. THE WHOLE THING WHEN THEY WENT TO THE CRA STUFF WAS MORE DENSE, MORE RESTAURANTS, MORE MORE LIVING ALL TOGETHER. BUT THAT WAS THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS HERE. ARE THEY GOING TO ABANDON THE CRA? THE CRA IS DIFFERENT THAN ZONING. A CRA IS WHEN AN AREA IS DECLARED BLIGHTED AND YOU CREATE A INCENTIVE, INCENTIVIZE REDEVELOPMENT AND OR OR TO GET NEW BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN. WHEN THE CITY DID THE CRA BACK IN THE

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RIGHT, WHICH IS YOUR UP TO DATE CURRENT DOCUMENT THAT YOUR ENGINEERS AND EVERYBODY USE FOR PARKING AND FOR PARKING AND FOR TRAFFIC. SO THIS JUST SHOWS THAT AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR RESIDENTIAL UNIT BONUS. THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR HALF UNITS. OH WELL. WELL OKAY. WE'LL TALK ABOUT. THAT THAT IS THAT ABOUT. IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO BE BUILT.

BUT I HEAR YOU WE WOULD ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT. THIS GESTURE THAT COULD BE A SEPARAT.

OH YEAH. SO FOR EXAMPLE, TAKING THE CAPITAL OUT OF THE BUILDING TO DO IT WITHOUT TAKING THAT, BUT ULTIMATELY WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND TAKE THAT UP TOO. BUT RIGHT NOW THE COMP, THE ONLY REASON IT'S IN THERE IS BECAUSE IN THE COMP PLAN, YOU COULD ONLY GO TO 30 UNITS INC. SO HALF UNITS WOULD HAVE VIOLATED THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE YOU HAD TO GO HIGHER THAN 30 IF YOU HAD HALF OF IT. BUT SO BUT ASSUMING WE TOOK THAT OUT, THEN YOU CAN YOU WOULD TAKE IT OUT LATER. YOU CAN'T VIOLATE THE COMP PLAN. DOESN'T GUARANTEE ANYBODY HAPPY. SO THAT'S THAT'S TAKING IT OUT OF THE ZONING DOESN'T VIOLATE THE COMP. THANK YOU. JUST THANK YOU. SO THIS GETS INTO YOUR URBAN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS. THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. AGAIN THIS IS YOUR THAT'S THE THAT'S THE HAPPINESS I DO APOLOGIZE. THE OTHER ONE WAS YOUR MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY BONUS AS WELL. WHERE IS THAT. IS THAT RIGHT HERE. YEAH.

AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, WHEN COMMISSIONER COLLINS SAYS, TAKE THAT OUT, HE'S OBVIOUSLY NOT ARBITRARILY CHANGING THE CODE TODAY. HE'S SIMPLY SAYING, HEY, THIS IS MY IDEA. I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO COME BACK WITH THE FINAL WITH THE REPORT. THAT'S GOING TO BE AT THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES AND WHAT'S NECESSARY TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE.

AND I WANT THIS TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT. ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK FOR THE COMMISSION TO

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THE DENSITY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. IT SHALL BE REVEALED. OKAY. WHERE ARE WE? CAN YOU GO TO URBAN? URBAN? YES, PLEASE. CAN WE GET STARTED? HERE YOU GO. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WE'RE STILL IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT SECTION. SO THIS IS THE TABLE 2.07. A IS YOUR HALF UNITS GOT? YES. AND FOR WHAT? IT'S WORTH, THE HALF UNITS IS TWO THINGS. HAPPINESS IS DENSITY AND PARKING. YES. ANY OTHER. YEAH. SO THESE ARE YOUR INCENTIVES. THESE ARE AMENITIES THAT IF YOU HAVE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU ARE CONSIDER THESE AMENITIES. AND WITHIN YOUR DESIGN GUIDELINES.

SO YOU WOULD DEMONSTRATE ENHANCING WITH WAIVERS. YOU WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT THESE DIFFERENT AMENITIES AND TRY TO USE ONE OF THOSE. JODY ARE THERE ADDITIONAL ONES THAT ARE ON AN AMENITY LIST THAT AREN'T INCLUDED IN THIS? YES WE DID. THAT IS ON OUR LIST THAT WE NEED TO ADD. SO THIS WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION, I DO BELIEVE FOR YEAR 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO, I THINK IT WAS SENT TO A RESOLUTION OR AN ORDINANCE. I CAN'T I BELIEVE IT WAS A RESOLUTION RIGHT. SO THERE'S MORE INCENTIVES, THERE'S MORE AMENITIES THAT WAS REQUIRED, BUT IT DIDN'T BECAUSE IT WASN'T PASSED THROUGH AN ORDINANCE. IT WASN'T ADDED TO THIS LIST. SO.

RIGHT. I THINK IT WAS THAT THE UPGRADE ONLY APPLIES IN THE CRA AND AT THE TIME, THE CRB AND CRA THAT MADE THE AMENITY LIST DID IT AS A RESOLUTION TO THE BECAUSE THE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A UPD YET. SO THEY HAD THE AMENITIES LIST AND THEN THE UPD KIND OF CAME WITH IT AND THEY WERE DOING IT TO TRY AND MAKE AN AMENITIES LIST, AND THEN IT DIDN'T GET ADOPTED IN THE UPD ORDINANCE WHEN IT GOT DONE, BECAUSE PART OF THE WORKSHOP OF IT ALL GETTING OKAY. WAS THAT THE FOUR THAT TPD WAS CREATED? THERE WAS NO PUD IN THE CRA. THEY DID

[03:15:12]

WE'LL PROBABLY DISCUSS IT AT THE MEETING ON MONDAY NIGHT. WE HAVE A VOLUNTARY SYSTEM WHERE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SIGN UP FOR EMAILS GETS ON MISTY'S EMAIL LIST AND THE EMAIL OF EVERY SINGLE AGENDA THAT GOES OUT, OR AN EMAIL OF EVERY FRIDAY OF WEEKLY UPDATES INCLUDED ON. SO PROBABLY BE AT LEAST. THERE'S A RIGHT. SO I KNOW THAT. WELL, MAYBE MR. BURBANK OR SOMEBODY IS LISTENING. SHE'S HE'S PROBABLY LISTENING. SENT ME A TEXT THAT OUR OUR SOUND WAS OFF BREAK I KNOW OKAY. NEXT MEETING IS GOING TO BE ON NOVEMBER THE SEVENTH FROM 9 A.M. UNTIL 1 P.M. SAME PLACE HERE AT CITY HALL. AND IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING, I'M ACTUALLY, WHILE WE'RE IN A LIVE MEETING AND I MADE EVERYBODY GET THEIR CALENDAR REVIEWS WITH ME JUST DO IT RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY NIGHT. IT'S A VERY SHORT MEETING. TWO CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AND A CODE OF CONDUCT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS. HAVE A CODE OF CONDUCT. I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THE CODE OF CONDUCT, THE D AND D. WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A VOTE ON IT ON THAT NIGHT. I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY GIVE YOU GUYS THE BACKGROUND OF IT. AND TO WALK THROUGH IT WITH YOU. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING BACK ON NOVEMBER 12TH, AN UPDATED CODE OF CONDUCT THAT THE COMMISSION CAN TELL US. GET RID OF IT OR REVISE IT OR DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT. BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT. BUT WHERE DID THAT ORIGINATE? I'LL EXPLAIN THE WHOLE STORY ON MONDAY. BUT BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS IT'S NO, IT WAS A, IT WAS A, IT WAS A SERIES OF EVENTS, BUT PART OF IT WAS THAT THE COMMISSION IS NOT DOES NOT FALL WITHIN THE CITY'S PERSONNEL POLICY. AND AS A RESULT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PUBLIC RECORDS KEEPING STUFF LIKE THAT. WELL, WE HAVE CERTAIN PERSONNEL POLICIES THAT SAY IF YOU TEXT MESSAGE AS A CITY EMPLOYEE, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING YOUR OWN TEXT MESSAGES. THE CITY DOESN'T DO IT FOR YOU, AND YOU HAVE TO DO IT ON YOUR OWN. SO THIS WAS A METHOD TO HAVE COMMISSIONERS THAT DID IT THEMSELVES. AND THEY SAID, WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT THIS.

AND OTHER BOARDS HAVE IT AS WELL, BUT WE'RE GOING TO SAY THIS IS STUFF WE'RE GOING TO DO.

DOESN'T HAVE ANY. THERE'S NO PUNISHMENT REMEDIES OR ANYTHING TO DO. LIKE IF SOMEBODY VIOLATES IT, THEN STAFF CAN'T DO ANYTHING FOR IT. COMMISSION CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO EACH OTHER BECAUSE THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN IS THE GOVERNOR. SO IT DOESN'T REALLY. AND IT'S KIND OF I'LL EXPLAIN IT ON MONDAY, BUT IT'S ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE SIGNED IT. IT'S IN, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. IT'S ALREADY BEEN SIGNED, BUT NOBODY REALLY READS IT. NOBODY REALLY KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS. AND SO IT'S SO WE'RE BRINGING IT FORWARD TO AMEND IT OR DECIDE IF YOU DON'T WANT IT AT ALL. DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO AMEND IT. WE HAVE WE WANT TO ADD LIKE THE STATE LAW LAST YEAR REQUIRES US TO DO THAT. NO. BEFORE ON THE COMPUTER THING. SO WE'RE GOING TO ADD THAT TO IT. WE'RE GOING TO ADD THIS A HARASSMENT POLICY. THE STATE LAW WE HAVE TO COMMENT ON.

THEN THERE'S THE STUFF THAT'S ALREADY IN IT. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COMMISSION AGREES THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THE SUNSHINE AND THEY'RE AWARE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE FOUR HOURS OF ETHICS THING. BUT MICHIGAN VOTERS SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DON'T WANT THE CODE OF

[03:20:04]

AND SO AFTER LAST WEEK, PUBLIC COMMENTS, MR. REED'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE THINGS THAT ARE FOUND IN THAT CODE OF CONDUCT, WE PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR A, D AND D TO SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHERE YOU WANT US TO. AND THAT'S REALLY ALL IT IS. THE OTHER TWO THINGS THAT ARE ON IT, ON THE AGENDA ARE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THAT ONE IS A INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, I BELIEVE, NOT INTERLOCKED, BUT AN MOU. THAT'S UNDER. AND WE'RE ON THE SENATE. THE MEETING. OCTOBER 20. 820 RIGHT. SO THE OTHER ITEMS PASSED ARE A MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT WITH FDLE. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS A DYER DRIVE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT BID GOING. BOTH ARE ON CONSENT. AND THEN LASTLY IS B AND D ON THE CODE OF CONDUCT. SO THE FIRST RESOLUTION ON THE CONSENT IS AUTHORIZING THE CHIEF OF THE SEWER POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ENTER INTO A MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT WITH THE FLORIDA STATE OF LAW ENFORCEMEN. STATE ASSISTANCE FOR FENTANYL ERADICATION, THE SAFI INITIATIV, AND THEN THE OTHER RESOLUTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE AWARD OF AN INVITATION TO BID FOR THE SOUTHWEST DYER DRIVE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. AND THEN LASTLY, IS JUST A, B AND D DISCUSSION ON THE CODE OF CONDUCT CODE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA. VERY SHORT AGENDA. BUT RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO OVER IT AND PUBLIC RECORD PUBLIC HEARING, WE COULD JUST MOVE IT RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE THAT ONE THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, DOESN'T IT? I THINK IT WAS THE SAME. OH YEAH, BOTH OF THE YEAH. THE SAFE. THE SAFE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. YEAH. AND NUMBER TWO, WE DO. WE ISSUE BIDS ON DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS ALL THE TIME. SO IT'S A FAIRLY BOTH ARE VERY. OKAY. SO WE'LL GET BACK TO HAVING LESS THAN A SIX HOUR MEETING. WE'LL SEE. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO OTHER

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