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          YEAH. BOARD MEMBER BRECHBILL HERE. COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD CHAIR. PENNY HERE. VICE CHAIR. BRECHBILL HERE. BOARD MEMBER. HAWKINS. BOARD MEMBER MCCHRYSTAL HERE. BOARD MEMBER. 
          MOSER HERE. BOARD MEMBER. NOBLE HERE. THANK YOU. PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. WE COULD HAVE BEEN MORE FUN. THAT'S BECAUSE I DO HAVE OUR PRESENTATION NOW. THANK YOU. OR WHAT IS. WHAT IS THIS, MARY? UNDER PRESENT. OKAY. THE FIRST PRESENTATION, MR. MARTELL, DID YOU WANT ME TO GO 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
OVER FIRST. WE HAVE APPROVAL BY THE SEVEN 22 MINUTES BY BOARD MEMBER COMPANY, SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. HEARING NONE. YOU WANT TO DO THE AGENDA, OR DO YOU NEED ONE MORE? ONE MORE. OH. I'M SORRY. YOU'RE RIGHT. SO, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE 23RD SEPTEMBER MINUTES? SECOND. MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER PENNY. 
          SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER BRETTEVILLE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE. AND 
          [APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
MAY I GET AN APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, PLEASE? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. SECOND. OKAY, WELL, THE DAIRY DUO OVER THERE AGAIN. AND PENNY AND BROOKVILLE. WE DON'T EVEN LIKE. YEAH. THAT'S TRUE OKAY. OKAY. PRESENTATION. WELL, WHY DON'T WE TAKE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? I HAVE NO GENERAL COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. YOU HAVE NONE ON. I HAVE SOME ON A PARTICULAR ITEM, BUT NOT. OKAY. GENERAL AND BOARD. I'M JUST GOING TO CROSS OUT. THERE ARE NO 
          [COMMENTS BY BOARD MEMBERS (Non-Agenda Items)]
COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM BY BOARD MEMBERS? YES, SIR. IS THIS MR. MCCRYSTAL A BOARD MEMBER OF MCCRYSTAL? JUST A COUPLE THINGS. LOOKING BEHIND US, I THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I THINK WE DIDN'T QUITE GET RIGHT OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS OR SO. ONE BEING THE IDEA OF USING PAVERS ON IF WE ARE STUCK INTO THAT MODE, THEN I'M HOPING WE CAN AT LEAST GET SOME SORT OF WARRANTY FROM THE CONTRACTOR WHO PUTS THOSE PAVERS IN. AS FAR AS HAVING MAYBE TEN YEARS OF DURABILITY WITHOUT US PAYING MORE MONEY TO KEEP IT UP. SO I THINK IT REALLY DROPPED THE BALL ON THAT ONE. ANOTHER AND I'M GUESSING IT CAN BE REVISITED AFTER THE ELECTION, BECAUSE I GUESS WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO GO. BUT ON THE TOPIC OF WEED. THE CRB HAD A PRETTY GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, BUT SOMEHOW THAT GOT LOST IN TRANSLATION BEFORE IT GOT TO THE COMMISSION. AND. MY THOUGHTS ARE LEGALIZE WEED AS A BLESSING OR A BURDEN, THEN THOSE BLESSINGS AND OR BURDENS SHOULD BE SHARED EQUALLY BY THE ENTIRE CITY. 
          DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF SEGREGATING ONE SECTION OF THE CITY? THAT'S GOING TO BE WEED FREE, AT LEAST THE SALES OF IT. BE FREE FROM SALES IN ONE SECTION OF THE CITY, BECAUSE THAT INCREASES THE LIKELIHOOD OF THESE ESTABLISHMENTS BEING IN THE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY. AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WHOLE REASON THIS TOPIC WAS STARTED WAS TO AVOID THE DENVER TYPE SCENARIO THAT HAPPENED WHEN ALL FOR SOME REASON, ALL THE WEED SELLING ESTABLISHMENTS ENDED UP BEING IN ONE PARTICULAR SECTION OF TOWN. WELL, IF YOU REVERSE ENGINEER IT, IF YOU'RE 
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TAKING A THIRD OF OUR CITY OUT OF ACTUALLY DOING THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO TRY TO DO, BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE CONDENSED ALL OF THESE DISPENSARIES INTO A TIGHTER SPACE AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RANDOMNESS OF COMING DOWN EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD AND STOPPING AT PALM BEACH ROAD, AND THEN EVERYTHING EAST OF THERE. YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A OPEN TO OPEN TO THE WEED ANYWAYS. I WOULD HOPE WE COULD REVISIT THOSE TWO THINGS AGAIN. MAYBE NOTHING HAPPENS IN NOVEMBER, BUT. IDEA OF US BEING SEPARATE CITIES ON EVERY TOPIC THAT'S BROUGHT UP, I WILL. I'LL BE RAILING AGAINST TWO SEPARATE PARTS OF TOWN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE LEGISLATURE IF IT PASSES. I CAN COMMENT ON IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THE STATE, IF IT PASSES, WHICH IT PROBABLY WILL, THE STATE WILL. THE REFERENDUM IS TO HAVE THE LEGISLATURE WRITE STATUTES RELATED TO IT. SO THERE WILL BE STATE REGULATION THAT PREEMPTS A LOT OF IT. HOWEVER, THE CITY ALREADY PASSED SECOND READING, SO THE ORDINANCE IS NOT COMING BACK. IT'S OVER. IT'S IT WAS ADOPTED AND IT'S UNLESS I GET DIRECTION TO BRING IT BACK, IT'S NOT COMING BACK. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, ALL ZONING IS A SEPARATION OF ONE PART OF THE COMMUNITY FROM ANOTHER PART OF THE COMMUNITY. DOWNTOWN IS PARKING EXEMPT, BUT WALMART HAS TO HAVE A GIANT PARKING LOT BECAUSE THE ZONING WHERE WALMART IS NOT PARKING EXEMPT. WE HAD WHEN WE DEFINED IT AS SIMILAR TO A PHARMACY. SO IN THE ZONING MAP, IT CAN BE ANYWHERE THAT A PHARMACY COULD BE, BUT A PHARMACY CAN'T BE NEXT DOOR TO YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE THE ZONING HAS ALREADY BEEN DEPICTED AS SEPARATING US INTO DIFFERENT CHUNKS AND SPACES DON'T ALLOW IT. I HONESTLY THINK EVEN IF IT DOES PASS, THAT WE'RE LIKELY NOT GOING TO SEE OR NOTICE ANYTHING. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING. OUR POPULATION DOESN'T MAKE US INTERESTING ENOUGH FOR ANY GIANT PERSON TO THINK THEY'RE GOING TO COME MAKE THEIR MILLIONS ON THE ON THE GOLD RUSH HERE. ORLANDO WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BETTER LOCATION IF YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN UP ONE OF THESE STORES AND YOU'RE GOING TO TRY AND GET RICH OFF OF IT. MORE LIKELY THAT THE FIVE BIG GUYS THAT ARE ALREADY INVOLVED WITH THE STATE THAT ALREADY HAVE 100% OF THE DISTRIBUTION RIGHTS AND ALREADY HAVE DISPENSARIES AT A RETAIL LEVEL, WHICH WAS ALLOWED UNDER THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED, AND IT'S REALLY GOING TO GO BY THE WAYSIDE. BUT AS MR. MCCHRYSTAL POINTS OUT, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT IS PROBLEMATIC, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE CITY BEING THE SIZE THAT IT IS, WE ARE VERY NIMBLE AND WE COULD MOVE ON THAT AND REACT TO IT VERY QUICKLY. SO THAT'S MY. COMMENTS BY ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS. SEE NONE. SO I'LL 
          [3. JOINT CRA/CRB/CCM MEETINGS DISCUSSION]
HANDLE THE FIRST ACTION ITEM, WHICH IS A JOINT CRA CRB CITY COMMISSION MEETING. AND IT'S IRONIC THAT WE HAVE A VERY GOOD TURNOUT TONIGHT. THE REASON THIS ISSUE CAME UP IN THE PAST WAS BECAUSE ORIGINALLY WE HAD THE CRA AND THE CRB WAS TO SIT ON THE CRA, AND THE INTENTION WAS FOR THOSE TWO MEMBERS TO BRING INFORMATION TO THE CRA. THE STATE ADOPTED THIS PROGRAM RELATED TO CONCURRENCY THAT REQUIRED THE CITY, THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL BOARD TO HOLD THESE JOINT MEETINGS TO SHARE INFORMATION. AND THE CITY COMMISSION DECIDED TO HAVE JOINT MEETINGS WITH THE CRA AND THE CRB AND THE CITY COMMISSION, WHICH IS LIKE THE ONE WE'RE AT, AND THEY STARTED GETTING SCHEDULED QUARTERLY. HISTORICALLY, THE CRB, EVEN TONIGHT YOU'LL SEE, DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO VOTE ON. SO YOU HAD VOLUNTEERS THAT WERE HAVING TO LEAVE WORK OR DO WHATEVER IT WAS TO COME TO THESE MEETINGS THAT THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN. AND THEN THE MEETINGS WERE BEING CANCELED, COUNTED AGAINST THEM FOR THEIR ATTENDANCE AND OTHER THINGS. AND SO WHAT WE BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE WAS, 
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MEETINGS OR AS THE BOARD WANT IT TO BE, JUST A CRB MEETING AND A CRA MEETING, AND THE CRB MEMBERS COME AND TELL THE CRA. THE REASON THAT WE WERE ASKING IS BECAUSE WE WEREN'T REALLY GETTING ANY CRB MEMBERS THAT WERE COMING TO THE MEETING AND THEN OF COURSE, TONIGHT WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION. THEY'RE HERE. IT'S NO ISSUE TO THE CITY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. IT WAS MORE OF JUST A, YOU KNOW, FUNDAMENTALLY OR PRAGMATICALLY IS THE BOARD MEMBERS FEEL LIKE IT'S EFFECTIVE? DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT HAS MEANING TO YOU AND YOU GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT? WE SHOULD CONTINUE DOING IT. OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST ANOTHER MEETING BEING ADDED ON THAT YOU DON'T REALLY GET TO SAY MUCH? IT'S JUST FOR THE SAKE OF CHECKING A BOX. AND IT'S YOUR DISCUSSION TO HAVE. AND WE JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND GET FEEDBACK FROM FROM THE BOARDS TO SEE HOW YOU FELT. I IF I CAN, I HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT. I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT AS SOON AS WE SIT ON THESE BOARDS, WE CAN'T TALK TO ANYBODY ELSE ABOUT ANY OF THIS STUFF BECAUSE THE SUNSHINE. SO IT REALLY MAKES US LESS EFFECTIVE AS VOLUNTEERS, BECAUSE NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE ON THIS BOARD WITH MAYBE ANOTHER VOLUNTEER OR EVEN AT THIS LEVEL IN PARTICULA, WHERE WE'RE ON THE BOARD WITH COMMISSIONERS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOW IN A SITUATION WHERE, FROM A SUNSHINE STANDPOINT, WE CAN'T EVEN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT SOMETHING TO RELAY A MESSAGE BACK OR TO TALK ABOUT THINGS. SO I FROM MY STANDPOINT, THAT'S THE ONE DISADVANTAGE I SEE OF THESE OF THESE JOINT MEETINGS OR THESE JOINT COMMITTEES AS WELL, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT YOURSELF IN A POSITION THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HAVE YOU KIND OF DEFEAT THE COMMUNICATION. AND THE REAL ISSUE FOR TONIGHT IS DOES THE CRB AND THE CRA AND THE CITY COMMISSION WANT THE CITY STAFF TO CONTINUE TO SCHEDULE BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY ON THE BOARDS. I'M GOING TO SAY I TRY TO TELL THE COMMISSION MEMBERS WHAT THE BOARD HAS. HOWEVER, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMISSION HEAR FROM OTHER CRA MEMBERS, CRB MEMBERS, THAT THEY WOULDN'T NORMALLY BY THEM BEING HERE. AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD POLICY ABOUT NOT HOLDING. AND I THINK IT. BUT IF THEY'RE HERE, I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT YOU COULD HEAR FROM THEM. 
          AND HEAR THEIR OPINIONS, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. HERE IS MANY OPINIONS AS. 
          SO I WOULD SAY TO KEEP IT BECAUSE IT'S NO SWEAT OFF ANYONE'S BACK. THEY SHOW UP LATE. THEY DON'T. GREAT. BUT THEY FOR YOU. DECIDE. WE'VE ALREADY HEARD WITH JUST PRETTY GOOD ON TV. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, WOULD WE BE BETTER TO NOT HAVE THE TWO CRB MEMBERS ELEVATED TO THE CRA AND JUST HAVE MORE JOINT MEETINGS AND HAVE THE ENTIRE BOARD PRESENT, RATHER THAN REPRESENTATIVE BOARD? I'M NOT GOING TO SAY YOU BY HAVING TWO SOLID YEAR MEMBERS ELECTED BY THE CRB FOR MEETINGS WITH THE CRB. THEN IT DOES BRING, IF I AGREE WITH THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE COMPLETELY APOLITICAL. SO IT'S TRUE IN PRINCIPLE. IN PRINCIPLE. 
          AND I THINK WE ALL ARE. ME TOO. I THINK MARK AND I ARE APOLITICAL IN THIS VERY POLITICAL STUFF. FAIR ENOUGH. BUT MR. MARTEL, WILL YOU? SO WILL YOU CLARIFY? I'M A CRB BOARD ROOKIE. NEVER BEEN ON A BOARD BEFORE. SO THIS CLARIFY THE SUNSHINE LAW FOR ME ON THIS BOARD. DOES THIS MEAN I CANNOT OUTSIDE THIS MEETING, TALK TO OTHER CRB MEMBERS AND OR OTHER CRA MEMBERS AND OR THE COMMISSION MEMBERS? AM I IN THIS? AM I AS A CITIZEN NOW IN DEAD SILENCE AS IT AS IT COMES TO ALL THE PEOPLE IN THIS AT THIS TABLE FROM THE DAY THAT YOU GET THE AGENDA FOR THIS JOINT MEETING, YOU SHARE A COMMON AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING, AND YOU CAN'T DISCUSS ANY OF THOSE THINGS WITH ANYBODY ELSE. THAT'S GOING TO BE A VOTING MEMBER OF THIS MEETING. SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE DISCUSSING IT WITH ANY CRB MEMBERS, ANY CRA MEMBERS, OR ANY CITY COMMISSION MEMBERS. HOWEVER, THE MINUTE THIS MEETING 
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IS OVER WITH AND THIS YOU'RE ONLY PROHIBITED FROM SPEAKING TO THE OTHER CRB MEMBERS ABOUT BOARD ITEMS, AND YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO SPEAK TO THE CRA MEMBERS. OTHER THAN THE TWO THAT ARE CRB MEMBERS, TO DISCUSS WHATEVER YOUR ISSUES AR. YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE THE LPA MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS, THEY SHOULD BE SPEAKING AND COMMUNICATING WITH THE COMMISSIONER THAT APPOINTED THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE SAME MINDSETS OR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BOTH ON THE SAME PACE AND UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING AND GOING. YEAH, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. WHEN YOU GET ASSIGNED TO THE JOINT MEETING, IT DOES HAVE A TRIGGERING EFFECT THAT THE AGENDA ITEMS ON THIS BOARD THAT YOU WOULD BE VOTING ON BECOME SUBJECT TO SUNSHINE. BUT I CODING ON AN AGENDA ITEM AT ONE OF THE JOINT MEETINGS. I MEAN, REMIND ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DON'T. VERY RARE. VERY RARE. I DON'T REMEMBER IT. I MEAN, I THINK TWICE, BUT. SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW TECHNICAL IT WOULD BE. AND I'LL PROBABLY ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR AN OPINION WHEN HE STARTED GETTING DOWN INTO THE WEEDS. I THINK THE ONLY THING HE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO VOTE ON IS HAS TO DO WITH ART. 
          DOESN'T IT? ISN'T IT THE ART AND COMMUNITY? WELL, THEY VOTE ON EVERY PROJECT. NO, BUT I MEAN THAT THAT ACTUALLY THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THE DECISION. RIGHT. YEAH. BUT THEY BUT THE IT'S NOT WHETHER IT'S AN ACTION OR AUTHORITY ADVISORY BOARDS ARE SUBJECT TO SUNSHINE. SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S ADVISORY IN NATURE, IT'S STILL SUBJECT TO. SO MY COMMENT, TOM, IS THAT ON A, YOU KNOW, A COMMISSIONER WHO ACTUALLY SPENDS QUITE A FEW OF THE ADVISORY BOARD MEETING, SHOULD THE BURDEN BE PLACED UPON TO MAYBE TAKE A MORE ACTIVE ROLE IN HEARING THOSE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT VOICES ON THE BOARD. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS FINE. BUT THE REALITY IS WE NEVER SEE THEM. I MEAN, THAT'S THE IRONY OF THIS DISCUSSION, IS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FULL BOARD VAIN THE VAIN EFFORT TO ACCOMPLISH THIS. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S DOING, BUT IMPOSING GUILT UPON THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW. BUT SINCE IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM PER SE IN THEIR DECK HERE. NOT ONLY AS VOLUNTEERS, BUT THEY'RE HERE BECAUSE THEY REALLY WANT TO PARTICIPATE, AND THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ON THE GROUND. MAYBE THEY WANT, THEY WANT, THEY WANT TO THEY WANT THIS ITEM. I DON'T KNOW, BUT SO DOES IT HURT TO HEAR THEIR OPINION AND AN ABSENT ACTION. OTHERWISE WILL OBVIOUSLY CONTINUE DOING. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THE ATTENTION TO THE BOARDS, BECAUSE I KNOW HISTORICALLY THE CRB HASN'T REALLY FELT LIKE IT'S A PRIMARY ISSUE OR NECESSARY FOR THEM TO ATTEND BECAUSE THEY DON'T. AND OBVIOUSLY, STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE ACTUALLY KIND OF FEEL BAD, LIKE PUTTING THE AGENDA TOGETHER AND SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE MAKING THESE FIVE PEOPLE LEAVE WORK. AND FOR SEVEN PEOPLE LEAVE WORK AND COME HERE AND WE'RE TELLING THEM THAT THEY'RE ON THE AGENDA AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ON IT FOR THEM TO VOTE ON. GIVE THEM A COOKIE. AND APPARENTLY YOU FEEL THAT YOU TO ELECTED BY THE CRB. NOT EFFECTIVELY. I DIDN'T SAY THAT. NO. WHAT I SAID WAS WHAT'S THE POINT? THEY MAY HAVE OTHER POINTS OF VIEW AND THEY AND THEY MAY NOT BE IN. THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE MAJORITY. WHEN WE TAKE A VOTE. AND MR. MCCHRYSTAL IS OFTEN NOT WOULD ONLY SPEAK TO HIS POINT. HE HAS A POINT. HER. NONE OF YOU WOULD EVER UNDERSTAND WHAT MR. CRYSTAL HAS. I THINK BY HIM COMING HERE. WHAT HE WANTS TO. AND SPEAKING TO YOU GIVES YOU A WHOLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I JUST THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA. I AGREE WITH TOM. I DO. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. DO WE NEED A CRA BOARD? YES, BUT. BUT WAIT. 
          LET ME FINISH. LET ME FINISH. BUT CAN INSTEAD AS LONG AS IT'S IN A SEPARATE 
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MEETING. WELL, IN OTHER WORDS, COULD THE THEY COULD MAKE IT BY MEMBERS AND NOT HAVE THE TWO CRB. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. OR OR COULD CALL A SEPARATE MEETING ADJACENT TO ONE OF THEIR BOARD MEETINGS, DECLARE THEMSELVES AS THE CRA. RIGHT. AND THEN THE THEN THE CRB WOULD BE ALL VOLUNTEER. IT WOULD BE ALL VOLUNTEER AT THAT. IF WE DID, THE CRB IS ALL VOLUNTEER NOW. WELL, BUT I MEAN IT WOULD BE THERE WOULD BE NO ACTIONS THAT THE, THE CRB COULD, YOU KNOW, COULD GIVE OPINIONS ON A LOT OF THINGS AND, AND PARTICIPATE. BUT IT WOULD I THINK IT WOULD ELIMINATE A REDUNDANCY THAT WE'VE GOTTEN IS THAT THE CRA IS MADE UP OF SEVEN PEOPLE. THE CRB WAS MADE UP OF SEVEN PEOPLE, AND THE LPA WAS MADE UP OF SEVEN PEOPLE. IN 2007, I BELIEVE IT WAS. AND BY THE WAY, THESE ALL EXISTED IN THE 90S. THE CITY COMMISSIONERS FELT LIKE THE PROCESS GENERALLY ALL MEMBERS. SO IF YOU WERE GOING TO BE ON THE LPA, EVERYBODY WAS TREATED AS AN AT LARGE MEMBER. PEOPLE WOULD COME TO A MEETING, THEY'D GO THROUGH APPLICATIONS, AND THE COMMISSION WOULD VOTE AS A WHOLE ON THE WHOLE BOARD. IN 2007, OR WHENEVER MARY HUTCHINSON WAS ON THE COMMISSION, I FORGET THE EXACT YEAR, BUT THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT THE CITY COMMISSIONERS SHOULD APPOINT THEIR OWN REPRESENTATIVES THE WAY THE COUNTY DOES, SO THAT THE VOLUNTEER BOARDS HAD THE SAME PERSPECTIVE OR OR AS THE ELECTED OFFICIAL, RATHER THAN HAVING BOARDS THAT YOU HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER THAT COMES ON AND THE BOARD MEMBERS DON'T SEE IT. THE SAME WAY THEY DO. SO THEIR IDEA WAS WE SHOULD DO IT SO THAT THE ELECTED REPRESENT WHAT THE ELECTED OFFICIAL IS KNOCKING ON. 
          EVERYBODY'S DOOR ABOUT, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE. SO IN THAT YEAR, ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS BECAME APPOINTEES. SO MOVING FORWARD, THE CITY COMMISSIONERS EACH GOT ONE APPOINTEE TO THE CRA OR TO THE CRB, ONE APPOINTMENT TO THE LPA, ONE APPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, AND SO ON. 
          BUT THERE WERE SEVEN BOARD MEMBERS, SO THE LPA AND THE CRB HAD TWO AT-LARGE POSITIONS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, UNTIL JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. THOSE POSITIONS DIDN'T CHANGE. WAS FRANK WALKER, LARRY MASSING AND A COUPLE OTHERS. BUT IT NEVER CHANGED. I MEAN, FOR LITERALLY 15 YEARS OR WHATEVER IT WAS AND SO NOW AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THE CITY COMMISSIONERS EACH APPOINT THEIR REPRESENTATIVES AND THEN THE AT LARGE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN DIRECTED BY THE BOARD TO REPRESENT THE CRA. BUT THAT'S NOT IT HAS NO RELATIONSHIP TO WHY THE. BUT THE CRB TECHNICALLY COULD BE FIVE PEOPLE THAT'S APPOINTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND NO AT LARGE POSITIONS. AND THE CRB COULD STILL OUT OF THOSE FIVE STILL APPOINT TWO TO COME UP AND SERVE ON THE CRA. AND THEN THE CRA WOULD BE THE CITY COMMISSION PLUS THE TWO APPOINTED FROM THE CRB TO COME UP AND SERVE THE LPA IS THE SAME THING. IT HAS SEVEN MEMBERS, BUT IT REALLY WAS JUST MORE OF A BACKING IT INTO THE BOX, LIKE, OKAY, WE'VE GOT FIVE COMMISSIONERS HERE. YOU GET AN APPOINTMENT, APPOINT TWO EXTRA, THEY'RE GOING TO BE AT LARGE. AND SO THEY JUST KIND OF HAPPENED BY DEFAULT. IT WASN'T IT WAS MORE ARBITRARY. AND SO THE MEETING FOR THIS PURPOSE LIKE BACK THEN THE CRB WOULD MEET. AND THE THEORY WAS THAT IT AND IT WOULD BRING THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE CRB TO THE CRA MEETINGS BY SERVING AS THE REPRESENTATIVE. WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THE JOINT MEETING IS REDUNDANT. BUT AS TOM POINTED OUT, I MEAN, IT IS GOOD TO SHARE THE THOUGHTS AND HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS ANYWAY. AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY REDUNDANT. IT'S MORE LIKE A WORKSHOP OR IT'S MORE OF A DISCUSSION ANYWAY, BECAUSE THE CRB IS NOT REALLY VOTING ON ANYTHING AT THE MEETINGS ANYWAY. BUT HONESTLY, IT'S ALL IT'S CURRENTLY IN THE CHARTER. SO THE SEVEN MEMBERS AND ALL THAT STUFF IS IN THE CHARTER, BUT THERE ISN'T A PEEP ANYWHERE WRITTEN AS TO THIS JOINT MEETING. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO HAVE IT AND THERE'S NO BAN FROM HAVING IT EITHER. SO IT'S REALLY THE POLICY AND THE WILL OF THE GUYS ATTENDING IT. LIKE IT IS. THIS WHOLE THING WORKED. WHY SCREW AROUND? 
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SOMETIMES THEY DON'T WANT TO COME TO THIS MEETING AND I DON'T BLAME THEM. SOMETIMES IT'S BORING AS HELL. BUT I THINK TONIGHT IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT MEETING, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY PATIENT. BUT WHY BREAK SOMETHING DOESN'T NEED. ANY OTHER COMMENTS AND JUST CLARITY WITHOUT ANY ACTION, IT WILL REMAIN THE SAME. LIKE IF YOU DON'T. SO WE DON'T NEED A MOTION IF YOU WANT TO 
          [4. BUDGET AMENDMENT #01 TO THE FY 2025 CRA BUDGET - DOWNTOWN UNDERGROUNDING AND SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE (RC): RESOLUTION No. 03-2024 CRA; A RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY (CRA) OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING BUDGET AMENDMENT #01 TO THE FISCAL YEAR (FY) 2025 CRA BUDGET; APPROPRIATING AND AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS FOR ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION; PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
KEEP IT AS A MOTION. SO, MR. BHAGAT, CAN YOU READ ITEM NUMBER FOUR FOR OUR CONSIDERATION PLEASE? RESOLUTION NUMBER ZERO THREE DASH 2024 CRA. A RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING BUDGET AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 TO CRA BUDGET ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. THANK YOU ALL FOR GIVING THE PRESENTATION. YES. THE PRESENTATION. CORRECT. PINAL GANDHI, CRA DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD. SO THERE ARE TWO AGENDA ITEMS IN THE PACKAGE AND THEY ARE RELATED. SO I JUST HAVE ONE PRESENTATION. BUT AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO TAKE TWO SEPARATE MOTION, ONE BY THE CRA BOARD AND ONE BY THE CITY COMMISSION. I ALSO WANTED TO INTRODUCE MY DESIGN TEAM. THE ENTIRE DESIGN TEAM IS HERE THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR OVER THE LAST FIVE, SIX YEARS. BRIAN GOOD FROM KIMLEY-HORN. HE WORKED ON THE STREETSCAPE DESIGN. KEVIN SHANNON AND CAITLIN TOWNSEND FROM KIMLEY-HORN. THEY WORKED ON THE UNDERGROUNDING DESIGN FOR PHASE TWO OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS OSCEOLA STREET AND SAINT LUCIE AND COLORADO, AND THEY WHO IS RETIRED. SO HE DID NOT TAKE ON THE PHASE TWO. SO WE CONTRACTED WITH KIMLEY HORN TO DO PHASE TWO. AND THEN WE HAVE C.J. RODDY AND MARK CLYDESDALE FROM BURKHART. THEY ARE. THEY WERE AWARDED THE CMAA CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT RISK PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CONTRACT A FEW MONTHS AGO. AND THEY ARE THE ONE WHO PROVIDED THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM MAXIMUM PRICE PROPOSAL FOR THE DISCUSSION TODAY. JUST TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT BOUNDARY. THIS IS FOR THE DOWNTOWN UNDERGROUNDING AND SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE PROJECT. THE UNDERGROUNDING PROJECT INCLUDES SEMINOLE STREET, OSCEOLA STREET, SAINT LUCIE AVENUE FROM FLAGLER TO SEMINOLE AND SOUTH COLORADO AVENUE FROM FLAGLER TO SEMINOLE. THE STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS IS FROM IS ALONG SEMINOLE STREET FROM SAINT LUCIE TO SOUTH COLORADO AVENUE. WE'LL ALSO BE MILLING AND RESURFACING ALL THE STREETS, INCLUDING THE FLAGLER 90 BUSINESSES, INCLUDING RETAIL, RESTAURANTS AND OFFICES. WE HAVE 35 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND 15 ROOM BOUTIQUE HOTEL THAT WILL DIRECTLY BENEFIT FROM THIS PROJECT. THE PROJECT WAS INITIATED BACK IN 2019, WHERE WE DID THE FEASIBILITY STUDY TO DETERMINE ESTIMATE COST FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT. WE HAD NO IDEA HOW MUCH SOMETHING LIKE THIS EVEN COST, BECAUSE CITY'S NEVER TAKEN ON A UNDERGROUNDING PROJECT. SO WE DID THAT BACK IN JANUARY 2019, AND THEN IN MAY 2019, FPL SUBMITTED A BUILDING PERMIT TO REPLACE THE POLES IN DOWNTOWN AND TRANSFER ALL THE UTILITY LINES TO A TO A NEW POLE TO MEET THEIR NEW STANDARDS FOR STORM EVENTS. SO AT THAT TIME, WE ADVISED THEM THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO UNDERGROUND THE UTILITIES IN DOWNTOWN. SO THEY WITHDREW THEIR APPLICATION FOR BUILDING PERMIT. SO WE STARTED WORKING ON AMENDING THE CRA PLAN TO INCLUDE THE DOWNTOWN UNDERGROUNDING PROJECT AND ON ANY PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT IDENTIFIED IN THE CRA PLAN. SO IT'SO GET THE PROJECTS INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN BEFORE WE INITIATE IT. SO THE PLAN WAS APPROVED AND ADOPTED BY THE CRB BOARD AND CRA BOARD IN AUGUST 2019. BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED FUNDING AT THAT TIME, WE DID DECIDE TO DO THIS PROJECT IN PHASES. SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL HEAR ME REFER TO IT AS PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO AND SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE. PHASE ONE WAS SEMINOLE STREET. SEMINOLE STREET UNDERGROUNDING. AND THEN PHASE TWO IS OSCEOLA STREET AND SAINT LUCIE AND COLORADO AVENUE. SO INITIALLY WE JUST STARTED WORKING ON THE PHASE ONE DESIGN. 
          WE CONTRACTED WITH DANNY BRANNON TO DO THE DESIGN FOR PHASE ONE AND KIMLEY-HORN TO DO THE STREETSCAPE DESIGN IN LATE 2019. DBA FOR ALL THEIR FEEDBACK AT AN OPEN HOUSE MEETING BACK IN 
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SEPTEMBER 2020. WE ALSO APPLIED FOR THE FDEP WATER QUALITY GRANT FOR THE STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IN NOVEMBER 2020, AND WE WERE AWARDED $274,000 FOR THE PROJECT. WE WERE PRETTY FAR ALONG WITH THE PROJECT, WITH THE DESIGN OF THE STREETSCAPE, AND WE HAD NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING ON ON SEMINOLE STREET CALLED SAILFISH COVE, SO WE WORKED WITH THEM TO HAVE THEM DEDICATE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS. THEY DEDICATED ABOUT TEN FEET OF PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEY ALSO CONTRIBUTED $80,000 FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS. THAT WOULD BE JUST ADJACENT TO THEIR PROPERTY. WE HAD ANOTHER OPEN HOUSE MEETINGS TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC BACK IN JANUARY 2021. THE DESIGN WAS PRESENTED TO THE JOINT BY SEPTEMBER 2021. WE WERE SUCCESSFUL AT OBTAINING AN EASEMENT FROM A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER FOR INSTALLATION OF TRANSFORMER BOX FOR THE PROJECT, AND THEN IN OCTOBER 2021, FPL CAME BACK AND THEY SUBMITTED ANOTHER BUILDING PERMIT TO CLOSE THE ROAD TO REPLACE THE POLES. WE REMINDED THEM AGAIN THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THE DESIGN. BUT AT THIS TIME, WE HAD TO EXPEDITE THE DESIGN FOR PHASE TWO BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T HOLD OFF ON IT ANY LONGER. THE CURRENT POLES DOES NOT MEET THEIR THEIR STANDARDS, SO WE HAD TO EXPEDITE THE PROJECT. WE CONTRACTED WITH KIMLEY-HORN TO DO THE PHASE TWO UNDERGROUNDING DESIGN IN NOVEMBER 2021. WE PROVIDED AN UPDATE ON PHASE TWO TO THE CITY COMMISSION IN SEPTEMBER 2022. IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT WOULD BE MORE COST AND TIME. COST EFFICIENT AND TIME EFFICIENT TO DO THE 2023. THE COMMISSION APPROVED TO EXECUTE AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT WITH FPNL FOR PLACEMENT OF CONDUITS AND MAKE READY POLES ON CITY OWNED PARCEL. IN JUNE 2023, THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVED TO EXECUTE FPL AGREEMENTS TO FOR BINDING COST ESTIMATE FOR MATERIAL FOR THE CONVERSION, AND THEN WE ADVERTISE OUR FIRST RFP IN JUNE 2023. WE RECEIVED ONE PROPOSAL, BUT THEY DIDN'T SUBMIT A PRICE PROPOSAL WITH THEIR PACKAGE. SO WE WENT BACK TO THEM AND ASKED FOR A PRICE PRICE PROPOSAL. AND THEY FAILED TO RESPOND. SO WE REJECTED THAT PROPOSAL. AND THEN WE WENT OUT FOR SECOND RFP IN AUGUST 2023. 
          WE RECEIVED ONE PROPOSAL FOR 7.3 MILLION. BUT WHEN WE REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL, THERE WERE A LOT OF ERRORS IN THAT PROPOSAL. THERE WERE COMPUTATION ERRORS. DESCRIPTION SO THE CITY COMMISSION DID AUTHORIZE STAFF TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE CONTRACTOR. WE REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND THEY RESUBMITTED THE PROPOSAL IN DECEMBER 2023, AND IT WAS ALMOST DOUBLE THE COST OF THEIR INITIAL PROPOSAL. SO ALMOST $13 MILLION. SO AT THAT POINT, STAFF JUST DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE ACCEPTING THAT PROPOSAL. SO WE REJECTED THAT PROPOSAL ALSO. AND THEN AT THIS POINT WE HAVE TO EITHER CHOOSE TO EITHER GO OUT FOR ANOTHER RFP, WHICH WOULD COULD RESULT IN THE SAME, SAME THING WHERE WE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PROPOSALS TO COMPARE AND SELECT, OR WE COULD CANCEL THE PROJECT OR USE ALTERNATE PROCUREMENT METHOD, WHICH IS THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AT RISK PROCESS, WHICH IS TYPICALLY USED FOR COMPLEX PROJECTS SUCH AS THIS. AND THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO INITIATE THIS THIS PROCESS. SO THEN WE WENT OUT FOR ONE PROPOSAL AND THEN IN JUNE 2024, THE COMMISSION APPROVED TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO BURKHART CONSTRUCTION TO PROVIDE THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES AND GO OUT FOR BID AND ESTABLISH A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE, WHICH IS REFERRED TO AS GMP AND THEY ARE HERE TODAY. THEY ARE GOING TO PRESENT THE PROPOSAL MORE IN DETAIL IN THE PROCESS THAT THEY USE TO DETERMINE THAT GMP. THE PROPOSALS WERE THE GMP PROPOSALS WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE. SO FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDES UNDERGROUNDING ON SEMINOLE STREET OSCEOLA. SAINT LUCIE AVENUE AND COLORADO AVENUE AND STREETSCAPE PROJECT. THE TOTAL COST WOULD BE $8.7 MILLION. IF DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE 
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OF THE PROJECTS. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THIS PROPOSAL BROKEN INTO FOUR DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. 
          FIRST IS THE DIRECT CONSTRUCTION COST, WHICH IS THE ENTIRE COST FOR THE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION ITSELF, WHICH IS 6.4 MILLION. AND THEN THAT ALSO INCLUDES $700,000 IN CONTINGENCY AND ALLOWANCES FOR ANY UNEXPECTED COSTS. SO IF THOSE FUNDS ARE NOT USED, THOSE WOULD COME BACK TO THE CITY. THE $700,000, THEN THE GENERAL CONDITIONS, WHICH ARE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH MANAGING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT PROJECT, INCLUDING INSURANCE, BONDS, FIELD OFFICE, ANY OTHER INDIRECT COSTS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. THIS WOULD BE. THIS IS ESTIMATED TO BE $735,000. 
          PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM FEES TO OVERSEE THE PROJECT UNTIL THE COMPLETION, THAT'S ESTIMATED AT SEVEN $970,000, AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER FEE, FIT LINE ITEM FOR BURKHART. 
          TYPICALLY, IT'S AROUND 10%, BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S ABOUT 7% OF THE TOTAL GNP AND 9.5% OF THE DIRECT COST. SO IT'S STILL LESS THAN WHAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER FEE. SO THAT'S HOW WE COME UP WITH THE TOTAL OF PROJECT AT $8.7 MILLION. THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION ALSO REQUESTED TO SEE GMP IF WE WERE TO JUST DO PHASE ONE UNDERGROUNDING AND SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE, OR IF WE WERE JUST TO DO SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE PROJECT. SO FOR THE GMP FOR UNDERGROUNDING SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE AND UNDER I'M SORRY, UNDERGROUNDING SEMINOLE AND STREETSCAPE WITH THAT OSCEOLA STREET UNDERGROUNDING THAT WOULD BE AROUND $5 MILLION. BUT HOWEVER, THIS APPROACH WILL REQUIRE US TO REDESIGN SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE BECAUSE ORIGINALLY WE DESIGNED IT WITH THE THERE WOULD BE SOME REDESIGN WORK AND THAT WOULD HAVE FINANCIAL IMPACT AND SOME DELAY IN TIME. IF WE DON'T DO THIS PROJECT TOGETHER. THE GMP FOR JUST DOING THE SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE WOULD BE AROUND $3 MILLION. BUT AGAIN, THIS REQUIRES US TO GO BACK OUT AND REDESIGN. RE QUANTIFY THE BID. SO THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR THAT. AND AGAIN DELAY IN PROJECT. HERE'S A STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IN CASE SOME OF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT. IT INCLUDES UNDERGROUNDING OF OVERHEAD UTILITIES, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, IMPROVED ON STREET PARKING, STREET LIGHTS, BENCHES AND LANDSCAPING. THE GOAL HERE IS TO MAKE THE STREET MORE ATTRACTIVE, INVITING TO RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. PROVIDE AN AREA WHERE THEY CAN WALK, SHOP AND DINE. WE REALLY WANT TO ACTIVATE THIS AREA FOR STOREFRONT AND OUTDOOR DINING EXPERIENCE ALONG SEMINOLE PERMEABLE PAVER BLOCK SYSTEM FOR THE STREETSCAPE PROJECT. THESE ARE NOT YOUR TYPICAL TRADITIONAL PAVERS. THESE ARE DESIGNED TO HELP REDUCE STORMWATER RUNOFF BY INFILTRATING THE RAINWATER AND REDUCING POLLUTION POLLUTANTS BEFORE DISCHARGING INTO THE SAINT LUCIE RIVER, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PROJECT BEING SO CLOSE TO THE RIVER, IT WILL HAVE DIRECT ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS, INCLUDING REDUCING URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT COMPARED TO YOUR TRADITIONAL PAVEMENT, ESPECIALLY IN THIS URBAN AREA. AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE DID RECEIVE A GRANT FOR THE PAVER BLOCK SYSTEM. I'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO THEM BECAUSE THE COSTS HAVE GONE UP SINCE I'VE APPLIED FOR THIS, FOR THIS GRANT, THEY'VE ALREADY TOLD ME I CAN PROVIDE A JUSTIFICATION LETTER AND THE DIFFERENCE IN COST, AND THEY'LL CONSIDER THIS PROJECT FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING. AND THEN IN 2021, AS AN EFFORT TO IMPROVE SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE, SEMINOLE STREET FOR THE FUTURE STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, WE OF SPACE. SO WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF UNDERGROUNDING OVERHEAD UTILITIES? IT INCREASES RELIABILITY AND PREVENTS POWER OUTAGE. THIS PHOTO HERE SHOWS DOWNED WIRE AT CONFUSION CORNER DURING HURRICANE MILTON, WHICH MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE CAUSE FOR POWER OUTAGE IN DOWNTOWN FOR 2 TO 3 DAYS. WHAT ELSE WILL IT DO? IT WILL REDUCE OUTAGE OUTAGE DOWNTIME FOR. FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES. HERE YOU SEE THAT BUSINESSES WERE CLOSED FOR THREE DAYS DUE TO THE OUTAGE. WHILE ALL THE SURROUNDING AREAS WERE OPEN FOR BUSINESSES. SO THIS HAD A DIRECT FINANCIAL IMPACT TO OUR BUSINESSES IN DOWNTOWN. THEY ALSO PROVIDE PUBLIC SAFETY BENEFITS. UNDERGROUNDING POWER LINES ARE LESS LIKELY TO CAUSE FIRE FROM DOWNED WIRES, AND IT WILL HELP TO PROTECT OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN OUR THAT WE'RE PURSUING FOR THIS 
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AREA. UNDERGROUNDING WILL OBVIOUSLY IMPROVE THE ESTHETICS, THE VISUAL APPEAL OF THE STREETS, WHICH CAN LEAD TO HIGHER PROPERTY VALUES WITH ALL THE POLES REMOVED. IT ALSO PROVIDES A MORE WALKABLE SPACE AND OPTIONS TO REDESIGN FOR WIDER SIDEWALK AND SHADE TREES IN THE FUTURE. THERE ARE ALSO COST SAVINGS FOR UNDERGROUNDING WHEN IT'S COMBINED WITH STREETSCAPE PROJECT, AND THAT'S THE VISION THAT WE HAVE FOR SEMINOLE STREET. HERE ARE SOME BEFORE AND AFTER PHOTOS WITH POLES REMOVED ON OSCEOLA STREET. HERE'S ANOTHER BEFORE AND AFTER FOR COLORADO AVENUE AND BEFORE AND AFTER FOR SAINT LUCIE AVENUE. OUR VISION IS THAT THAT THE UNDERGROUNDING WILL CONTINUE WEST OF SAINT LUCIE AVENUE WHEN THE CITY HALL IS REDEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE. THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER AT THAT TIME WOULD BE PROJECT. SO IF THE IF THE BOARD DECIDES NOT TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY, THE CITY WILL HAVE TO NOTIFY FPNL AND THAT WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD SO THAT THAT THEY CAN PUT THIS BACK ON THEIR WORK PLAN TO HARDEN THE DOWNTOWN. 
          BECAUSE REMEMBER, I HAD MENTIONED THEY HAD ALREADY SUBMITTED PERMIT BUILDING PERMIT TWICE TO HARDEN AND THEY POSTPONED IT. YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT WE WERE WORKING ON THE UNDERGROUNDING. SO IF THEY ARE TO IF THEY ARE TO REPLACE IT WITH ANOTHER POLE, THEY WILL BE LARGER CONCRETE POLES TO MEET THEIR CURRENT STANDARDS. SO I HAVE SOME BEFORE AND AFTER IMAGES OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. THE EXISTING POLE WILL REMAIN UNTIL ALL THE UTILITY UTILITY LINES ARE TRANSFERRED TO THE NEW POLE, AND AS WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER AREAS THAT CAN TAKE UP TO, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN TAKE FEW YEARS FOR ALL THE UTILITY LINES TO BE TO BE TRANSFERRED. 
          TRANSFERRED. AND THERE IS A POTENTIAL OF LOSING PARKING SPACES ALSO BECAUSE OF THE BULB OUTS RIGHT OF WAY TO PUT IT ON THE SIDEWALK, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME BULB OUTS FOR THE SECOND POLE. SO IN OSCEOLA, THERE'S A POTENTIAL OF LOSING THREE PARKING SPACES IF THEY HARDEN THE POLES. HERE'S BEFORE AND AFTER FOR ALONG COLORADO. WE COULD LOSE UP TO THREE PARKING SPACES ALONG COLORADO. ALSO. AND BEFORE AND AFTER FOR SEMINOLE STREET. THE NEW STREETSCAPE PROJECT SHOWS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 16 PARKING SPACES SO WE COULD LOSE UP TO FOUR PARKING SPACES ON SEMINOLE BECAUSE OF THE BULB OUTS. AS YOU CAN SEE. 
          WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SIDEWALK WIDTH TO PUT THE SECOND POLE. AND HERE IS BEFORE OR AFTER ON SAINT LUCIE AVENUE AGAIN. WE WOULDN'T LOSE ANY PARKING SPACES, BUT THE SIDEWALK WIDTH WILL BE CONSTRAINED. SO WHY DO WE WANT TO INVEST IN DOWNTOWN? THE DOWNTOWN IS A DATA FROM MARTIN COUNTY TOURISM OFFICE. ON AVERAGE, WE HAVE ABOUT 10,000 VISITORS PER MONTH DURING PEAK SEASON AND ABOUT 3000 TO 5000 VISITORS PER MONTH DURING OFF SEASON. SO OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN IS A DESTINATION FOR MANY VISITORS, AND THIS PROJECT WILL SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE TOURISM AND CONTINUE TO SUPPORT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES IN DOWNTOWN. IT'S NOT JUST A DESTINATION FOR VISITORS, IT'S ALSO A PLACE WHERE RESIDENTS GET TO COME AND ENJOY. 
          WE HOLD VARIOUS EVENTS IN DOWNTOWN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT DRAWS THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS TO DOWNTOWN FOR VARIOUS EVENTS. IT CREATES A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC IN DOWNTOWN, SO BY UNDERGROUNDING THE UTILITIES WILL REMOVE ALL THE POLES AND CLUTTER FROM THE SIDEWALK AND PROVIDE A BETTER PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AND SAFER WALKING ENVIRONMENT. SO I ALSO PREPARED RATE OF RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT WITHIN THE PROJECT BOUNDARY FOR THE BASE YEAR. WHEN THE CRA WAS REESTABLISHED AND THE TRUST FUND WAS CREATED, WHICH WAS IN 1998. I PROVIDED THE EXCEL SHEET. YOU HAVE A HARD COPY IN FRONT OF YOU IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW ALONG, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS PRETTY SMALL TO READ. THE ASSESSED VALUE FOR THE PROPERTIES IN DOWNTOWN IN THE BASE YEAR, WHICH IS THE YEAR THAT WE FREEZE THE VALUES. IT WAS 5.7 MILLION. THE ASSESSED VALUE FOR PROPERTIES IN 2024 WITHIN THE PROJECT BOUNDARY IS 59.8 MILLION. THIS GIVES US AN INCREMENT OF $54.1 MILLION. 
          IN JUST DOWNTOWN AND WE APPLY THE CITY. MILLAGE RATE COUNTY MILLAGE RATE TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT TIF REVENUE LOOKS LIKE FOR JUST THE DOWNTOWN AREA. FOR 2024, IT WAS $605,000 OF TIFF REVENUE, JUST WITHIN THAT PROJECT BOUNDARY AREA. AND BASED ON THE HISTORIC VALUES, I 
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5 TO 6 YEARS TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH TIF REVENUE WILL GENERATE IN DOWNTOWN EVERY YEAR. WE CAN ESTIMATE TO GENERATE APPROXIMATELY 5.7 MILLION TIF REVENUE OVER THE SIX YEAR PERIOD. SO IF WE'RE INVESTING $9.3 MILLION IN THIS PROJECT, WE CAN EXPECT TO HAVE 62% RETURN IN OUR INVESTMENT IN SIX YEARS. OBVIOUSLY, THIS NUMBER COULD FLUCTUATE. MILLAGE RATE COULD FLUCTUATE. BUT I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT BASED ON THE HISTORY. OF THE HISTORIC VALUES THAT WE WOULD HAVE, OUR INVESTMENT RETURN ON, ON OUR INVESTMENT IN LESS THAN TEN YEARS. AND TYPICALLY DOWNTOWN GENERATES HIGHER LEVEL OF RETURN PER DOLLAR INVESTED THAN ANY OTHER AREAS OF OUR CITY. HERE'S A FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT YOU SAW LAST MONTH WITH THE CRA BUDGET. THE BOARD DID FISCAL YEAR, WE BUDGETED $6 MILLION FOR THE UNDERGROUNDING AND STREETSCAPE PROJECT. THERE ARE OTHER LARGE PROJECTS THAT THE CRA IS ALSO WORKING ON. $7 MILLION FOR THE GUY DAVIS PARK IMPROVEMENTS, 4.3 MILLION FOR PROJECT LIFT, WHICH IS A CDBG COVID GRANT. SO THAT WOULD BE A REIMBURSEMENT. AND THEN THE $800,000 FOR THE DESIGN OF BRIGHTLINE STATION, WHICHEVER DIRECTION WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. WE HAVE ABOUT 4 TO 5. WE HAVE ABOUT 4 TO $5 MILLION IN FUND BALANCE RIGHT NOW. AND WE EXPECT TO GET ADDITIONAL TIF REVENUE IN FUTURE YEARS TO DO OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE CIP, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, BRIGHTLINE STATION, PARKING GARAGE, DIXIE HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENTS, MLK STREETSCAPE PROJECT, WHICH I WILL BE SEEKING GRANTS FOR, AND THE DIXIE HIGHWAY. WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED PARTIAL GRANTS FOR THAT. SO THIS IS OUR LARGEST PROJECT THAT THAT IS TO DO THIS PROJECT THIS FISCAL YEAR AND ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE CIP IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL HAVE THE TIF REVENUE IN THE FUTURE TO DO THOSE PROJECTS. ALSO, AS FOR EXPENSES, THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE, AS I MENTIONED TO DO THE ENTIRE PROJECT IS 8.7 MILLION. 
          AND THEN I HAD TO ALSO INCLUDE THE CITY SERVICES TO MANAGE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT, BUILDING PERMITS AND UTILITIES FEES FOR A TOTAL COST OF $9.7 MILLION. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE ALREADY HAVE $6 MILLION BUDGETED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR 2025 CRA BUDGET FOR THE PROJECT, SO STAFF IS REQUESTING A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION OF $3.7 MILLION FOR THE PROJECT. OTHER REVENUE SOURCES INCLUDE THE FDP WATER QUALITY GRANT SO HERE WE ARE AT THE ACTION ITEMS. I'LL BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER ZERO THREE. DASH 2024, WHICH IS A BUDGET AMENDMENT NUMBER OH ONE TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2025. CRA BUDGET FOR ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION OF 3.7 MILLION FOR DOWNTOWN UNDERGROUNDING AND SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE PROJECT. THAT'S A CRA ACTION ITEM. SO THE CRA BOARD WILL NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. AND THEN AFTER THAT, THE CITY COMMISSION ACTION ITEM IS TO MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 114. DASH 2024 AMENDMENT TO THE CMR CONTRACT TO AWARD CONSTRUCTION SERVICE FEES TO BURKHART CONSTRUCTION FOR THE PRICE NOT TO EXCEED $8.7 MILLION. I DO HAVE BURKHART HERE. THEY DO HAVE A SMALL PRESENTATION IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR THEIR PRESENTATION BEFORE THE BOARD DECIDES TO DISCUSS, I'M SURE WE WOULD. 
          THIS. IS SUCH A UNIQUE. OH, THIS IS THE ONE RIGHT HERE. SORRY. THIS IS THE ONE, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          SORRY. THE OTHER ONE IS THE CHAMPION, RIGHT? I'M C.J. BRODY WITH BURKHART CONSTRUCTION. I'D BE THE PROJECT MANAGER, OR I HAVE BEEN THE PROJECT MANAGER THROUGH THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION SIDE SO FAR. AND WOULD BE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION. SO THE AGENDA TODAY IS TALKING ABOUT TWO PHASES OF WORK HERE. SO FIRST IS THE PRE GMP APPROVAL. SO SO THIS IS GOING OVER WHAT WE'VE 
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ALREADY DONE. SO WE HAVE PRE-CONSTRUCTION PROGRESS MEETINGS CONSTRUCTABILITY REVIEW AND VALUE ENGINEERING. GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE POST GMP APPROVAL. SO ASSUMING THE PROJECT GETS APPROVED AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT IS GOING OVER A FEW ITEMS, PUBLIC OUTREACH AND RESIDENT AND BUSINESS COORDINATION, SCHEDULING AND PHASING, RESIDENT BUSINESS AND CUSTOMER ACCESS DURING CONSTRUCTION. SO SINCE YOU GUYS APPROVED THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION, WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT PROGRESS MEETINGS, MULTIPLE MEETINGS. SO WE'VE HAD A KICKOFF MEETING WITH PHENOL AND KIMLEY-HORN. ANOTHER MEETING WITH PHENOL AND OTHER CITY STAFF, MEETING WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND KIMLEY-HORN. PRE-BID MEETING WITH UNDERGROUND SUBCONTRACTORS AND KIMLEY-HORN BIDDING RFP REVIEW MEETINGS WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND FINAL MULTIPLE COORDINATION AND BID MEETINGS WITH BIDDING SUBCONTRACTORS AND THE POST SO DURING THE CONSTRUCTABILITY REVIEW, VALUE ENGINEERING, WE DID A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE PLANS FOR CONSTRUCTABILITY AND VALUE ENGINEERING. WE WORKED WITH SUBCONTRACTORS TO CLARIFY QUESTIONS WITHIN THE PLANS, WORKED WITH SUBCONTRACTORS ON CONSTRUCTABILITY TO REDUCE COSTS WITH THE UNDERGROUNDING PROJECTS. THERE'S VERY FEW OPPORTUNITIES TO VALUE ENGINEER THE MATERIALS THEMSELVES. THERE WAS IN OUR GMP, YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE ADDITIONAL SCOPE OF WORK AND VALUE ADDED SERVICES IN THE GMP THAT WOULD BE OMITTED DURING A LOWER BID PROPOSAL. WE HAVE SOME OF DISCONNECT SWITCHES IN PHASE ONE THAT WEREN'T SHOWN ON THE PLANS, BUT WITH THE MEETINGS WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, KNOW THAT HE'S GOING TO BE REQUIRING THOSE. SO WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND INCLUDED THOSE. SO YOUR ORIGINAL BID PROPOSAL FROM ANOTHER CONTRACTOR WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THAT IN THERE ORIGINALLY. AMONGST SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT WE KNOW THAT NEED TO OCCUR DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. OVERALL, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT SO DURING THE GMP DEVELOPMENT, WE FIRST PUBLIC ADVERTISEMENT AND SUBCONTRACTOR PREQUALIFICATION. WE DID THE BID PACKAGE PREPARATION, WHICH INCLUDED QUANTIFYING ALL THE ITEMS. AND THEN WE PREPARED THE BID FORMS. WE ISSUED THE BID PACKAGES TO THE SUBCONTRACTORS. WE HELD A PRE-BID SITE MEETING FOR THE UNDERGROUNDING SUBCONTRACTORS. THEN WE DID RFI COORDINATION AND RESPONSES ISSUED WITH THREE ADDENDA. WE ANALYZED THE SUBCONTRACTOR BIDS, PREPARED THE GMP, AND THEN WE HAD THE POST GMP SUBMISSION REVIEW WITH STEWART AND KIMLEY-HORN. AND THEN FINALLY WE DID REVISIONS AND FINAL GMP SUBMISSION TO STEWART. SO THE BID PACKAGES AND SUBCONTRACTOR BIDDING BID BID PACKAGES WERE SEPARATED INTO EIGHT BID PACKAGES WITH DIFFERENT SCOPES OF WORK. BID PACKAGES WERE SENT TO 54 DIFFERENT COMPANIES. SUBCONTRACTOR BIDS WERE ANALYZED AND ENTERED INTO THE BID SO THESE NEXT ONES WILL PROBABLY BE DIFFICULT TO SEE, BUT I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THEM REAL QUICK. SO THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS THAT WERE SENT TO FOR EACH BID PACKAGE. SO YOU'LL SEE THERE'S GOING TO BE EIGHT OF THESE AS WE GO ALONG. SO THE FIRST ONE THERE IS THE PHASE ONE UNDERGROUNDING. PHASE TWO UNDERGROUNDING. AND ON THE RIGHT I HAVE SORRY. ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS REALLY KIND OF THE RED. THERE IS THE GENERAL SUMMARY OF IT. SO BID PACKAGES WERE SENT TO 11 CONTRACTORS FOR THAT SCOPE OF WORK. WE RECEIVED BIDS FROM TWO CONTRACTORS AND THEN INFRATECH WAS THE LOW BIDDER FOR PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO UNDERGROUNDING. 
          AND I KNOW YOU GUYS WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THIS, BUT BASICALLY, FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE BID PACKAGES, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS WE GO AHEAD AND WE PUT IT INTO A SPREADSHEET AND WE SHOW EVERY LINE ITEM SIDE BY SIDE. AND I BELIEVE THAT ALL EITHER HAS THIS IN YOUR PACKAGE OR HAS SENT IT WHAT THEY BID ON IT, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE ON THE RIGHT SIDE ARE NO BI. 
          FOR PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, LOW BIDDER WAS BOTH IN PROJECT. AND THEN PHASE TWO SITE WORK WHICH IS SOME OF THE SIDEWALK A LITTLE BIT OF WORK IN OSCEOLA. THE MILLING AND RESURFACING STRIPING. SOME OF THAT WORK BID PACKAGES SENT TO 14 CONTRACTORS. THE BIDS FROM FIVE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS. BIG D PAVING WAS THE LOW BIDDER FOR SITE WORK. FINE LINE STRIPING WAS LOW, BIDDER FOR THIS STRIPING ASSIGNMENT. AND THEN ONCE AGAIN IT'S SHOWING THE SPREADSHEET OF ALL THE DIFFERENT BIDDERS AND WHAT THEY PICKED. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WE HAD WAS THE SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE STREET LIGHTING SENT TO 16 CONTRACTORS, THREE BID AND INFRATECH WAS ONCE AGAIN THE LOW BIDDER FOR THE ELECTRIC ON SEMINOLE. SO THEN WE OUT TO TEN CONTRACTORS GOT TWO 
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BIDS ON THAT ONE, AND JOHNSON DAVIS WAS THE LOW BIDDER FOR THAT. AND ONCE AGAIN, THE BID COMPARISON SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE SITE WORK BID PACKAGES WERE SENT TO 11 CONTRACTORS. BIDS RECEIVED FROM TWO CONTRACTORS AND BURKHART CONSTRUCTION. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SELF-PERFORM SITE WORK, SO OUR SELF-PERFORMANCE BID ON THAT WAS LOWER. SO WE WERE THE LOW BIDDER FOR SELF-PERFORMING SITE WORK FOR SEMINOLE STREET. SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE CONCRETE BID PACKAGES TO TEN CONTRACTORS BID RECEIVE FROM THREE CONTRACTORS, AND ADM WAS THE LOW BIDDER FOR CONCRETE. AND THEN PAVERS SENT TO NINE CONTRACTORS. TWO BIDS RECEIVED AND DAVID WAYNE HARDSCAPES WAS THE LOW THEN LANDSCAPING AND IRRIGATION FOR SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE PACKAGES SENT TO NINE CONTRACTORS. WE RECEIVED BIDS FROM THREE CONTRACTORS AND GREEN EFFECT WAS THE LOW BIDDER FOR LANDSCAPING, IRRIGATION. SO THEN THAT BRINGS YOU TO THE FULL GMP, WHICH BANAL ALREADY BRUSHED ON THERE. SO 8.7 MILLION AND CHANG. SO ASSUMING THAT THE PROJECT GETS APPROVED TONIGHT MOVING FORWARD, THESE ARE THE NEXT KIND OF STEPS. AND SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU ALL WANTED ME TO REACH ON OR TALK ON. SO PUBLIC OUTREACH AND RESIDENT AND BUSINESS COORDINATION OBVIOUSLY IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT WITH THIS PROJECT. SO ONCE THE GMP IS APPROVED, CONSTRUCTION WILL BEGIN COORDINATION MEETINGS WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS, INCLUDING STUART DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES ASSOCIATION. BURKHART CONSTRUCTION WILL PROVIDE A MERCHANT LIAISON TO ASSIST WITH RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES COORDINATION, AND WE WILL CONSTRUCTION MONTHLY WILL HAVE A LOCAL COFFEE SHOP OR SOMEWHERE THAT WE CAN HAVE IT. WE'LL HAVE MEETINGS. WE'LL INVITE ALL THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS TO ATTEND, OR IF THEY WANT TO SEND A REPRESENTATIVE, AND IT'S JUST KIND OF A NICE WAY TO GO THROUGH WHAT'S GOING ON, TO GIVE THEM SOME INFORMATION AS WELL AS DELAYS ON WILL HELP THROUGH THAT, THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS. SO JUST REAL BRIEF ON THE SCHEDULING OF PHASING. I JUST WANT TO, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS HERE IS WE DON'T HAVE A FULL SCHEDULE DOWN TO THE DAY OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING TO GO ON AND HOW 100% ON HOW IT'S GOING TO BE PHASED. WE WANT TO HAVE THAT INPUT FROM TALKING TO THE BUSINESSES. WE HAVE A WE HAVE AN IDEA ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE HAVE A GOOD FRAMEWORK OF IT, BUT WE WANT TO HAVE SOME OF THAT INPUT ON ON A FEW ITEMS WITH THEM RATHER THAN TELLING THEM THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IT'S GOING TO GO. SO THE OVERALL PROJECT DURATION IS 21 MONTHS. PROJECTED START DATE IN MARCH OF 2025. PROJECTED MULTIPLE PROJECTS, THERE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A PHASED APPROACH. PHASE ONE UNDERGROUNDING, WHICH IS MOSTLY ON SEMINOLE WITH SOME ON SAINT LUCIE, WILL BEGIN FIRST. THEN THE UNDERGROUNDING COMPANY INFRATECH WILL TRANSITION INTO PHASE TWO IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER, WITH SOME OVERLAP BETWEEN PHASE ONE AND TWO. SO PHASE TWO IS THE OSCEOLA, FLAGLER, SAINT LUCIE, AND COLORADO CORRIDORS. AND THEN THE SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE IS PROPOSED TO BE DURING THE SUMMER OF 2025. AND THEN ASPHALT MILL AND RESURFACE OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT, WHICH IS REALLY MORE OF THE PHASE TWO LIMITS, WILL BE NEAR THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT, WHICH WILL BE SEMINOLE, FLAGLER, SAINT LUCIE AND COLORADO. SO A MAJORITY OF THE UNDERGROUND CONDUITS TO BE INSTALLED WITH DIRECTIONAL DRILLING TO LIMIT THE IMPACTS TO ROADWAYS AND SIDEWALKS. THE UNDERGROUNDING WORK IS MOBILE AND WILL NOT AFFECT ANY ONE LOCATION FOR EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ON A SPECIFIC AREA THEN YOU HAVE TO DROP BACK TO DO SOME INFRASTRUCTURE. AS FAR AS PUTTING IN TRANSFORMERS, SWITCHES AND THEN PULLING WIRE AND THEN MAKING CONNECTIONS. SO IT'S GOING TO BE MOBILE THROUGH THE THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND THEN THE MAJOR CONDUIT INSTALLATION IS EXPECTED TO OCCUR IN THE FIRST 6 TO 8 MONTHS OF THE PROJECT. AFTER THE CONDUIT INSTALLATION IS COMPLETED. IMPACTS. THE SIDEWALKS, ROADWAYS, PARKING AREAS, ETCETERA WILL BE VERY MINOR UNTIL THE MILLING AND RESURFACING AT THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT. I OWN HERE, I CANNOT SEE THAT GOOD ENOUGH. SO IN GENERAL, IF WE TALKED ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO START IN MARCH OF 2025. PHASE ONE UNDERGROUNDING IS BASICALLY MARCH TO NOVEMBER. NOVEMBER OF 2025. AND THEN PHASE 
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TWO STARTS ALMOST IMMEDIATELY RUNS ALL THE WAY THROUGH SEPTEMBER OF 2026, WITH THE MILLING AND RESURFACING, THEN IN RESTORATION, THEN OCCURRING ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT, WITH ALL OF THE WORK CONCLUDING BY NOVEMBER AND NOVEMBER OF 2026. AND JUST IN GENERAL, WE'RE TRYING TO PHASE THINGS WHERE WE DO THE LARGEST ITEMS DURING OFF SEASON SUMMERTIME TO STAY OUT OF SEASON. OBVIOUSLY, THE PROJECT GOES THROUGH THE SEASON, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PHASE THINGS WHERE THE LARGEST ITEMS HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF SEASON. SO THAT'S JUST A. SO IT'S JUST A VISUAL OF IN RED IS THE PHASE ONE UNDERGROUNDING AND THE SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE KIND OF LIMITS THERE. SEMINOLE STREET SAFE CONSTRUCTION IS DURING THE SUMMER OF 2025 AND THEN PHASE TWO, WHICH IS IN BLUE, WILL OVERLAP WITH PHASE ONE AND START MAY OF 2025. SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAD PUT TOGETHER FOR THE BIDDING PURPOSES FOR SOME OF THE SUBCONTRACTORS THAT WERE CURIOUS ON HOW IT WAS GOING TO HAVE TO BE APPROACHED FOR, FOR PRICING, FOR ASPHALT. AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY THAT THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE DO IT. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THIS IS THIS IS THE TYPE OF THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND AS WE DISCUSSED WITH THE DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS AND BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS, WE MAY CHANGE THIS PHASING TO BETTER SUIT THAT. SO THIS IS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR MILLING AND RESURFACING. EACH COLOR WOULD REPRESENT A DIFFERENT PHASE OF THE DEPENDING ON THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE, THAT SOME OF THIS WORK WOULD BE DONE AT NIGHT, POSSIBLY THE MAJORITY OF IT, OR AT A MINIMUM, PROBABLY THE FLAGLER AND COLORADO CORRIDORS TO TRY TO DO IT AFTER BUSINESSES CLOSED IN THE EVENING, AFTER RESTAURANTS WOULD BE CLOSED AND TRY TO GET IT OPEN OR GET IT BACK OPEN BEFORE BUSINESSES OPEN. AND THE NEXT MORNING TO ELIMINATE OR REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF IMPACTS TO DOWNTOWN. WE OBVIOUSLY UNDERSTAND THE CONFUSION CORNER INTERSECTION. THERE IS A VERY DIFFICULT INTERSECTION TO BE ABLE TO CLOSE AND THE IMPACT THAT IT WOULD HAVE ON DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. SO WE'RE GOING TO MINIMIZE THAT AND TRY TO DO THAT SECTION OF IT AT NIGHT. SO WE DON'T IMPACT ANY OF THE BUSINESSES. SO A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT FOR THE RESIDENCES AND BUSINESSES AND CUSTOMER ACCESS DURING CONSTRUCTION, THE ACCESS TO RESIDENTS DRIVEWAYS WILL SENSES, SUCH AS LIKE POURING BACK A DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE. OBVIOUSLY, WHEN WE POUR BACK RESIDENCE'S DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE FOR THAT PARTICULAR POUR, THERE'LL BE SOME IMPACT. BUT AS FAR AS THIS IS MOSTLY PROBABLY MORE DIRECTED TO THIS SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE. BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING ON SEMINOLE, IF THEY'RE ANY OF THEM, ARE HERE, WE WILL MAINTAIN ACCESS TO YOUR RESIDENCE. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GET TO YOUR RESIDENCE DURING CONSTRUCTION, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO BUSINESSES WILL BE MAINTAINED THROUGHOUT CONSTRUCTION. WE'LL UTILIZE SIDEWALK DETOURS, PEDESTRIAN BARRIERS, AND TEMPORARY BOARDWALKS AS NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO EACH BUSINESS. WORK WILL BE CONTAINED TO PARKING AREAS WHEN FEASIBLE TO AVOID ROAD CLOSURES AND TRAFFIC IMPACTS, AND BY PARKING AREAS. I'M NOT SAYING TAKING THE ENTIRE PARKING AREAS EITHER WILL. LIKE I SAID, WITH A MOBILE OPERATION, WE'LL START IN SMALL SECTIONS OF PARKING AREAS, WORK THROUGH A LOT OF THE CONDUIT, INSTALL, GETS THROUGH THERE, MOVE ON TO ANOTHER SECTION AND TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT. THAT THE THROUGH TRAFFIC DURING THE SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE PORTION OF THE PROJECT, WHICH COULD BE UP TO SIX MONTHS. WE'RE HOPING THAT IT GOES QUICKER THAN THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. FPL POWER SWITCHING TO BUSINESSES WILL BE DONE AT NIGHT OR OFF HOURS TO AVOID INTERRUPTIONS. BURKHART WILL WORK WITH THE RESIDENT, THE BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS TO MAINTAIN TRASH AND DUMPSTER PICKUP. BURKHART WILL WORK TO PROVIDE ALTERNATE DUMPSTER LOCATIONS FOR SEMINOLE DURING STREETSCAPE CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN RESIDENTS ON SEMINOLE WILL PUT THEIR TRASH RECYCLING CANS AT THE STREET ON NORMAL DAYS. BURKHART WILL MOVE THEM TO THE STREET END FOR PICKUP AND PUT THEM BACK AFTER PICKUP FOR EACH RESIDENT. SO THAT'S KIND OF A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO DURING THE CONSTRUCTION TO MINIMIZE ANY DAMAGE. THAT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER PINAL OR THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM BURKHART 
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SHE'S SITTING DOWN, BUT BOARD MEMBER KIM PENNY. OKAY, SO. WHO'S GOING TO DO THE HOOK? YOU TALK ABOUT FROM FPL? YEAH. IN OTHER WORDS, RIGHT NOW THAT THEY'RE ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING FOR THE MOST PART, CORRECT? YES. MOST OF THEM GO THROUGH A WEATHERHEAD. WHO'S THE WHO'S WHO'S WHO'S GOING TO TAKE THEM DOWN TO THE LOWER LEVEL? THAT WOULD BE UNDER OUR CONTRACT. AND FOR TECH, OUR SUBCONTRACTOR WOULD INSTALL THE CONDUITS FIRST. THERE'S A PROCESS TO IT. EVERYTHING HAS TO BE INSTALLED ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE. THEN ONCE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS, THE UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE IS HOT OR MADE HOT, THEN WE CAN START TRANSFERRING TO EACH ONE. AND THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE UNDER OUR CONTRACT. AND I GUESS THERE'S WHO'S IT'S GOING TO BE UNDER THEIR CONTRACT. BUT THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDING IS GOING TO BE BILLED FOR THAT. NO, NO, THIS IS ALL UNDER THE BUDGET. THAT WAS ALWAYS THE DISCUSSION THAT THE CITY THAT THIS THE PROJECT AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO UNDERGROUND THE CABLE AND THE PHONE TOO, WITH OUR PHONE. YES, IT'S ALL GOING TO GO DOWN AT THE SAME. YES. CORRECT. AND I KNOW YOU'RE MANAGING A PROJECT, SO THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR EITHER. NOW WHO'S MANAGING THE. 
          ON THE WHOLE I MEAN SOME I MEAN GREAT GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING, BUT WHO'S MAKING SURE HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING. WELL, WELL, TOMORROW IS THE QUESTION. THERE'S GOING TO AWARD AN INVITATION TO BID FOR ROAD AND SEWER, WHATEVER. AND WE, THE DEPARTMENTS INVOLVED IN THOSE BUILDING INSPECTOR. THERE'S GOING TO BE DRAWS. SO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT USED THE DRAW PROCESS. WILL HAVE TO MEET. CODE REVIEW WILL BE INSTALLED. THEY'LL ALSO BE ADDRESSING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER OTHER UTILITIES AND STORMWATER ARE NECESSARY. SO THEY'LL BE INVOLVED. AND IT'S A CMOS. SO THE BIGGEST BENEFIT OF THAT IS THAT WE GET TO IF THEY GO AWRY, THEY HAVE TO COME UP. 
          THEY HAVE TO CONCLUDE THEY'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING TO BOND THE PROJECT, AND THEY WANT TO MAKE IT $25 MILLION. HAVE AT IT. WELL, TWO YEARS FROM NOW. RIGHT. WE'LL SEE. RIGHT. I GET IT. 
          WE'RE MAKING CLAIMS ON THE BOND. YEAH. AND KIMLEY-HORN IS THE ENGINEER OF RECORD. WILL ALSO BE DOING C AND I ON THIS. SO THEY'LL BE INVOLVED FROM THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF THINGS AS WELL ON THE PLANT SIDE. BUSINESSES AND SAID IT WILL BE WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ON THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE, I WOULD IMAGINE. THAT. THE BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN ANY KIND OF EVALUATION DONE IS. UP TO BOTH. I KNOW A LOT. CREATED OR LIFTED UP BY THE WORK WE HAVE. KEVIN SHANNON FROM KIMLEY-HORN. HE CAN ANSWER THAT. HI. GOOD EVENING KEVIN SHANNON KIMLEY-HORN. YES, EVERY SERVICE THAT WE'VE GONE TO, WE'VE WE'VE BEEN IN ALL THE BUILDINGS. WE'VE EXAMINED ALL THE SERVICES. WHAT WHAT WE DO IN THIS INSTANCE. AND WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ON THIS IS WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDING A SERVICE DISCONNECT AT DISCONNECT AND THEN CONNECT IT TO THE METER. AND THAT LIMITS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF WHAT THE CITY THEN HAS TO DO. A LOT OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE OLD, AND YOU KNOW, THE LATEST CODE IS FROM 2023. SO IF IT WAS BUILT BEFORE 2023, IT LIKELY DOES NOT MEET THE CODE. BUT THAT DISCONNECT THAT WE WORK THROUGH WITH, WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ON CONNECTING TO THE METER KIND OF LIMITS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY ONLY TO THAT POINT. SO THAT'S BEEN HANDLED AND COORDINATED FULLY. 
          DO WE HAVE A PRICE ON WHAT THAT THAT PROPORTION. NO, NO, NO. JUST ON HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST. YEAH. THAT'S INSIDE THE BUILDING. SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY THAT'S WHY I SAY WE'RE NOT MOST BUILDINGS. WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO GO IN THE INSIDE. WE'RE GOING TO PUT A DISCONNECT SWITCH ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. SO WE'LL ONLY BE WORKING ON THE EXTERIOR AT THE DISCONNECT AND AT THE METER. SO WE'RE NOT GOING INTO THEIR PRIVATE PANELS IN MOST, MOST 
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YOU KNOW. SO ON THAT SIDE OF THINGS, ALL THE CABLES WILL COME DOWN. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S MOUNTED ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND CAN BE TAKEN OFF, WE'LL WE'LL GO AND DO THAT. IF IT'S A PENETRATION WEATHERHEAD THROUGH A ROOF, WE WILL NOT TAKE THAT OUT. WE USUALLY WHAT WE'LL DO IS CAP THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO MESS WITH ANY ROOF PENETRATIONS AND BE BLAMED FOR ANY ROOF LEAK. GOOD IDEA. BUT MOST OF MOST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S OVERHEAD, THAT'S FEEDING THE BUSINESSES THAT WILL COME OUT. YOU WON'T SEE THAT. I GOT JUST A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION. YEAH. THANK YOU. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME A RETURN ON INVESTMENT. I'VE BEEN ASKING FO. I APPRECIATE IT. AND I DID WANT TO POINT THAT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN 89% INCREASE IN IN PROPERTY VALUES WITHIN JUST THAT AREA. THAT'S NOT THE WHOLE CITY. THAT'S JUST THAT AREA, WHICH THEN MEANS WE GET A PROPORTIONATE INCREASE IN TAXES BUT BY SPENDING IT ON THINGS THAT PRODUCE THIS KIND OF RETURN, WE'RE GOING TO MULTIPLY THOSE DOLLARS. AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE CRA WORKS, HOW WE GET THAT MONEY AND, AND WHAT HAPPENS. AND IT'S INTERESTING NEVER BEFORE WE HAVE A DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES, I WOULD JUST DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER PANEL OR THE PRESENTER. THEN WE'LL HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. HAVE PUBLIC. YEAH. I THE ONLY QUESTION I, I THINK I HAD FOR PANEL WAS ON ON THIS PROJECT. DO WE HAVE I WASN'T SURE AND MAYBE THIS IS FOR BURKHART. HOW LONG WILL THE CORE DOWNTOWN BE IMPACTED? JUST THAT. YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE DOING THIS IN PHASES, BUT HOW MUCH HOW LONG WILL WILL THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN BE IMPACTED ONE MONTH PROJECT, BUT SPECIFICALLY HOW LONG WILL YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO WORK WITH WITH THE PLAN TO KEEP TO NOT IMPACT THE DOWNTOWN DURING, YOU KNOW, DURING THE SEASON AND THINGS. AND SO I'M JUST KIND OF WONDERING WHAT TYPE OF TIMETABLE ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR, FOR WHAT PARTS OF DOWNTOWN BEING OUT OF SERVICE, SO TO SPEAK? SO I DON'T THINK DOWNTOWN WON'T BE. I DON'T GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT OUT OF OUT OF DOWNTOWN WON'T BE OUT OF SERVICE AT ALL AT COMPLETELY AT ANY POINT. THE FIRST 6 TO 8 MONTHS OF THE PROJECT ARE PRETTY INTENSIVE AS FAR AS WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THE STREETSCAPE ON SEMINOLE, AS WELL AS DOING MOST OF THE CONDUIT INSTALL AND SOME OF THE HEAVY INFRASTRUCTURE WORK. WHEN A LOT OF THE HEAVY INFRASTRUCTURE WORKS FOR THE UNDERGROUND IS DONE, THERE'LL BE A TIME WHERE IT'S A LOT LESS INTRUSIVE IN THE DOWNTOWN WHILE WE'RE DOING CONVERSIONS TO EACH BUILDING. ON AVERAGE, I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY DOING ABOUT A CONVERSION ABOUT A WEEK, MAYBE TWO A WEEK. THEY'RE GOING TO BE ISOLATED TO A COUPLE BUILDINGS AND THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST WORK THAT'S GOING TO GO ON AS FAR AS WHAT YOU NORMALLY CONSIDER CONSTRUCTION WORK WITH DIRECTIONAL DRILLING, STREETSCAPE WORK, AND THEN AT THE VERY END OF THE PROJECT, WHEN WE GO TO MILL AND RESURFACE, WILL BE THE SAME THING. THERE'LL BE A LOT OF A LOT OF WORK GOING ON AT THAT TIME. BUT IN THE MIDDLE PORTION OF THAT 21 MONTHS, THERE'LL BE A PERIOD WHERE THERE'S A LOT LESS IMPACT TO THE DOWN. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT THAT YOU KNOW, MOST OF US REMEMBER WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, REPAVED THE STREET OUT THERE AND WE REPAVED OSCEOLA, AND YOU KNOW, THERE WERE THERE WERE BUSINESSES THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT AS A RESULT OF THAT. AND LEASE PRICES ON THE STREET HAVE GONE UP PRETTY CONSIDERABLY. AND I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT IF BUSINESSES OUT FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME, DEPENDING UPON WHEN IT IS, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S DURING SEASON, YOU KNOW, IT COULD RESULT IN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LOST BUSINESS. FOR STUART BOARD MEMBER MCCHRYSTAL. YES, FOR THE PRESENTER. I'VE BEEN OUT OF BUSINESS A WHILE, BUT YOU YOU MENTIONED BASICALLY BALLPARK. 
          YOU WOULD SEND A REQUEST FOR BIDS OUT TO SOME SUBCONTRACTORS, 9 OR 10 OF THEM. YOU'D GET AN AVERAGE OF 2 OR 3 RESPONSES. AND OF THE 2 OR 3 RESPONSES, DID I HEAR YOU? YOU SAID ONE WAS THE LOWEST BID. WAS THAT YOU ALWAYS GAVE THE LOWEST BID THE CONTRACT? YES. OKAY. IN THIS SCENARIO, YES. BECAUSE WE PRE-QUALIFY ALL EVERYBODY THAT'S BIDDING. SO RIGHT THERE THEY'RE ALREADY PRE-QUALIFIED. SO WE KNOW IF THEY'RE SUBMITTING A BID THAT THEY ARE QUALIFIED TO BID. 
          AND THE ONLY REASON USUALLY WE THROW ONE OUT AFTER THAT IS IF IT'S INCOMPLETE. SO ON THE SUBJECT OF QUALITY, DO WE THESE SUBCONTRACTORS ARE GOING TO BE HELD TO A CERTAIN STANDARD 
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OR CERTAIN SPECS THAT HAVE TO BE PERFORMED BEFORE THEY GET PAID. SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF YOU LIKE THE I'M OLD SCHOOL, IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT IT USED TO BE LIKE YOU GET 3 OR 4 BIDS AND YOU THROW OUT THE HIGH, YOU THROW OUT THE LOW AND YOU GO, OKAY, LET'S WORK FROM HERE. BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT BECAUSE THE SPECS ARE SO PRECISE THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE AS AS YOUR COMPANY JUST ALWAYS GIVEN THESE CONTRACTS TO THE LOWEST BIDDER? IN THIS SCENARIO, YES. OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT IT'S NOT JUST THAT WE WHEN WE GET WHEN THEY AFTER THEY BID THE LOW BIDDER, WE MEET WITH EACH ONE OF THEM AND WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THEIR SCOPE TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE EVERYTHING INCLUDED. SO WE DO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE LOW BIDDERS FOR THIS TRANSFORMER BOXES. ARE THEY UNDERGROUND OR ARE THEY AT SURFACE LEVEL? BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THEM IN THE PRESENTATION. SURFACE LEVEL. SURFACE LEVEL. SO ARE THESE GOING TO REPLACE I GUESS WHERE EXISTING POLES WERE BECAUSE IT WASN'T SHOWN IN THE PRESENTATION WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOCATED OR. NO, I KNOW THERE'S SOME AT MID BLOCK OF OSCEOLA GOING TO. STRATEGICALLY LANDSCAPE AREAS TO PUT THEM INT. HI THIS IS KATELYN TOWNSEND WITH KIMLEY-HORN. WE DID PLAN OUT A NUMBER OF TRANSFORMERS. TYPICALLY THERE'S 3 TO 4 FOR RESIDENTS FOR PROPERTY OWNERSHIP. WE DID PLAN FOR ABOUT A COUPLE ON SOUTHWEST OSCEOLA STREET IN THE LANDSCAPE ISLAND, SO THEY DO NOT IMPACT PARKING. THERE WILL BE THERE'S ONE LOCATED NEAR THE CITY HALL AREA AT THE END OF SEMINOLE STREET. THERE IS A COUPLE ALREADY PLANNED OUT FOR PHASE ONE, WHICH IS SEMINOLE STREET AS WELL. ABOUT 3 TO 4 AND THEN A COUPLE ON COLORADO STREET AS WELL. OKAY, SO I WON'T IMPACT ANY PARKING. THEN. AND THEN THIS ONE WAS FOR PINAL. SO THE TOTAL WAS 9.7 MILLION. DOES IT SHOW THAT FPL CREDITS OR THE SAILFISH COVE CREDITS. LIKE AS A LINE ITEM IN THERE, OR DID I MISS IT? SO WE HAVE A SEPARATE WE ALREADY PAID FOR THE FPL BINDING COST ESTIMATE. AND I HAVE THE BREAKDOWN HERE FOR THE CONVERSION OF PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. SO THIS SHOWS WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING ABOUT $500,000 IN CREDITS. SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR. SO THAT COST INCLUDES THE AND I THINK THAT THE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. BURKHART? REPRESENTATIVE, COULD YOU GET BACK TO. THANK YOU. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE DIGGING UP THE SIDEWALKS? THIS IS ALL ACCOMPLISHED WITH DIRECTIONAL DRILLING, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY NOT DIGGING UP THE SIDEWALKS AT ALL. WHERE ARE YOU? WHERE ARE YOU? POP IN AND OUT. YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE SIDEWALK OR REMOVE AND REPLACE THEM AT THOSE LOCATIONS, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DIG UP THE ENTIRE SIDEWALK AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TRENCHING IN A CONDUIT. HAVE THERE BEEN INCIDENTS AROUND THE STATE OR AROUND THE COUNTRY WHERE UNDERGROUNDING THAT UTILITY HAS PROVED MORE DIFFICULT TO REPAIR AFTER A NATURAL DISASTER THAN OVERHEAD? I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. UNDERGROUND. THE PORTIONS THAT ARE UNDERGROUND WOULDN'T BE AFFECTED BY A WINDSTORM EVENT. COULD IT BE THEY'RE ABOVE FLOOD STAGE. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE TRANSFORMER FLOODING OR ANYTHING. I MEAN, I HAD HEARD THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DIFFICULTIES ON THE WEST COAST OF FLORIDA. SO FPL, I MEAN, WAS ASKED THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION LAST YEAR AFTER THE PASSAGE OF HURRICANE IAN AND IDALIA, THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE SPECIFIC INFORMATION. AND SO THEY THEY PREPARED A REPORT AND THE REPORT ESSENTIALLY SAID THAT UNDERGROUND SYSTEMS IN HURRICANE IAN PERFORMED SIX TIMES BETTER THAN THEIR OVERHEAD SYSTEMS AND UNDERGROUND SYSTEMS, AND HURRICANE IDALIA PERFORMED 12 TIMES BETTER ON A DAY TO DAY OPERATIONAL BASIS. UNDERGROUND SYSTEMS ARE 50% MORE RELIABLE AND BETTER. AND IT'S A YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE CORRECT THAT IN THE PAST IT WAS IT USUALLY TOOK A FEW MINUTES LONGER TO RESOLVE A PROBLEM COMPLETELY WITH AN UNDERGROUND SYSTEM. BUT IN THE LAST IT TAKES LESS TIME TO RESOLVE A 
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PROBLEM WITH THE UNDERGROUND SYSTEM THAN THE OVERHEAD, BECAUSE THEY'VE RECENTLY COME UP WITH SOME INNOVATIONS ON HOW THEY CAN FIND FAULTS IN THE PRIMARY BETWEEN TRANSFORMERS THAT ARE. COULD YOU PROVIDE THOSE REPORTS TO PANEL? AND THEN I COULD. YEAH, IT'S ON THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION WEBSITE. THANK YOU. I WAS AT AN EVENT RECENTLY AND I WAS AT FOUND MYSELF AT THE FERGUSON BOOTH. YOU KNOW, FERGUSON, THEY DO A LOT OF SYSTEMS, YOU KNOW, THAT PUBLIC UTILITIES. AND THEY WERE SHOWING THEY WERE SHOWING THE SYSTEMS. NOW THEY'RE USING TO INSTALL TREES AND SIDEWALKS. AND IT'S IT WAS BIG. I MEAN, IT WAS AS BIG AS THIS TABLE AT LEAST. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THE ROOTS CAN GROW. YOU KNOW, WE HAD A HORRIBLE INCIDENT, BUT WE HAD AN EVENT WHERE WE HAD TO CUT DOWN BEAUTIFUL OAK TREES IN THE CITY BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS THEY WERE CREATING WITH OUR SIDEWALKS AND UTILITIES AND WE KNOW WE WANT TO PUT SOME TERRIFIC SHADING DOWN SEMINOLE. DO WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT NOW? AND THAT HAS WE HAVE TO DO ACCOMPLISH THAT ALL TOGETHER. WE'LL SAY WE ARE WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE SYSTEMS. WE'VE INSTALLED THEM IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT. OKAY. WE'RE CURRENTLY INSTALLING THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT BRANDS THAT DO IT. I DON'T THINK SEMINOLE DOESN'T HAVE MUCH LARGER SHADE TREES. RIGHT. IT'S MAINLY PALMS AND PALMS. YEAH, I KNOW SOME OF US LIKE OAKS. THEY'RE REALLY ON SEMINOLE. THERE'S NO TREES THAT WOULD NORMALLY REQUIRE ONE OF THOSE SYSTEMS. USUALLY YOU SEE THOSE WITH LARGER SHADE TREES, OAK TREES. ET CETERA. AND THEN YOU'RE CORRECT. IT'S BASICALLY A CELL SYSTEM. YES. CORRECT. TRADING OF CELLS. CORRECT. AND THEN YOU PUT THE TOPSOIL RIGHT AND ALLOWS THE ROOTS TO GO IN THERE WITHOUT PUSHING INSIDE. SO IF WE HAD SOME HOPE TO YOU KNOW YOU, MISS MOSER. WE SHOULD FIGURE THAT OUT RIGHT NOW. AND SO THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THEM TO A GREATER DEGREE AS POSSIBLE. GOING FORWARD. CORRECT. FORGIVE ME. THIS IS GOING UNDER THE SIDEWALK. YES. NORMALLY YOU WOULD SEE IT UNDERNEATH THE SIDEWALK. SO HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE TREE ROOTS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SUBVERT THE SIDEWALK WITH THE WAY THAT THAT'S SET UP. YES. SO IT SHOULDN'T BE. WELL, WE ALSO DON'T WANT IT TO IMPACT THERE. HOW BIG IS THE CABLE, BY THE WA? JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST THE SIZE OF EACH CONDUIT. THERE'S MULTIPLE CONDUITS. IT'S THE MOST I THINK THERE'S SEVEN, SEVEN CONDUITS TOGETHER AND RUNS, PLUS SOME OTHERS. I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE. 
          SO THESE FRAMES, IF WE WANTED TO PUT THEM IN PLACE, WOULD HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE USED TO DOING, RIGHT. YEAH. YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT PREFERABLY BEFOREHAND IF YOU ARE YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT AHEAD OF TIME SO IT COULD BE PLANNED. THAT WAS THAT WAS THE EXACT POINT OF MY QUESTION. THEY ARE DESIGNED. THEY ARE DESIGNED. 
          THE STRATA OF GOLD OR SILVER SELLS THROUGH THE MAIN BRANDS. THEY ARE DESIGNED WHERE CONDUITS CAN GO THROUGH THOSE. OKAY. GOOD, GOOD. OR THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE, THAT IS, SINCE WE ARE DIRECTIONAL DRILLING, IF WE KNOW THE LOCATIONS OF THEM, WE CAN ALSO JUST STAY DEEP BELOW THAT. AND IF YOU DO THEM IN THE FUTURE, THEN THEY'RE NOT IN THE WAY. BUT WE WOULD. IT WOULD BE BEST TO KNOW IF THAT IS A PLAN IN THE FUTURE TO KNOW POTENTIAL. SO NOW THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DECIDE, RIGHT. AND COORDINATE WITH THEM. YEAH. SEEING NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. 
          I'M SORRY. YEAH. BOARD MEMBER COLLINS. ONCE, ONCE WE DO THIS, ARE WE ASSUMING THE LIABILITY FOR THIS INFRASTRUCTURE ONCE THIS GOES IN? CAN YOU. WOULD YOU MIND EXPLAINING THAT IF IT FAILS, IF YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL YOU KNOW. BUT HE COULD EXPLAIN IT BETTER. THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO ONCE THE TRANSFERS OWNERSHIP OVER TO THEM. THEY COME OUT, THEY REPLACE, THEY FIX, THEY REPAIR. IT'S NOT THE CITY THE PURPOSE IS TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION NUMBER 032024. THANK YOU. I'LL SECOND THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER CAMPANY AND A MOTION A SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER CLARK. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? MADAM CLERK, ON THIS ISSUE? I DO, I HAVE BILL MORE. WHERE IS WILL YOU COME TO THE DAIS, PLEASE? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FROM THERE. NO, NO GOOD EVENING BOARD. IT'S 
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EXCITING TO SEE THIS ON THE EVENING. EXCITED TO SEE THIS UP HERE IN A FINISHED PRODUCT. IT LOOKS VERY WELL DETAILED AND PRETTY WELL LAID OUT. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THIS A FEW TIMES AND ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS WITHOUT QUESTIONS NEEDED TO BE ASKED TO IN THE PRESENTATION. SO GILMORE, SMALL BUSINESS OWNER DOWNTOWN. I OWN KILWINS. I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF OUR DBA, OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. SO THIS IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, BEEN IN THE WORKS SINCE 2019. I GET PEOPLE COMING TO THE STORE ON A REGULAR BASIS ASKING, IS IT EVER GOING TO HAPPEN? IS IT EVER GOING TO HAPPEN? AND NOW WE HAVE NEW NEIGHBORS BEHIND US ON SEMINOLE. 
          AND THEY ASK THAT QUITE OFTEN, TOO. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO GET THIS POINT. I WAS HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO AND, YOU KNOW, ADVOCATED FOR APPROVING THE STEAMER THAT, THAT THAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT. AND I'M ADVOCATING THAT WE VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS AND MOVE FORWARD. AS I MENTIONED, A FEW MONTHS AGO, THIS IS LIKE LOOKING 50 YEARS WILL BE ENJOYING THIS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TO COME. IT'S LONG OVERDUE FOR THE CITY. WE HAVE AN OLDER DOWNTOWN, OLDER INFRASTRUCTURE. A LOT'S BEEN BUILT AROUND IT. AS I MENTIONED A FEW MONTHS AGO, MOBILITY IS A HUGE ISSUE. I HAVE MY PARENTS ARE IN THEIR MID 80S AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR MY MOM TO NAVIGATE DOWNTOWN STUART WITH HER WALKER OR IN HER TRANSPORT CHAIR. SO AND MY DAD'S NOT TOO FAR BEHIND HER, UNFORTUNATELY. SO YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE STREETS MORE NAVIGABLE FOR OUR OLDER FOLKS. AND I'LL BE ONE SOON. AND OUR YOUNGER FOLKS, THE STROLLERS, KIDS AND DOGS AND PEOPLE WALKING DOWNTOWN. IT'S A VERY ACTIVE ENVIRONMENT WITH LOTS OF FOOT TRAFFIC, AND WE'D LOVE TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD AND REALLY MAKE OUR DOWNTOWN ACCESSIBLE INTO THE NEXT 50 YEARS PLUS. SO WE'RE EXCITED FOR IT. SO THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. I HAVE NICK GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. NICK SCHROTH 623 NORTHWEST PALM STREET. I JUST WANTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE SEEING THE CRA MAKE INVESTMENTS IN THE CITY AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO INFRASTRUCTURE. THE CRA IS DOING A PROJECT WHERE, YOU KNOW, AROUND MY HOUSE WHERE, YOU KNOW, KNOWING ABOUT THIS PROJECT, I DECIDED TO BUILD A HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE PROJECTS THE CRA HAD PROPOSED AND HAD IN THEIR PIPELINE. AND, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS LIKE THIS ARE REASONS WHY PEOPLE MAKE INVESTMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO SEE COME TO LIFE. 
          AND SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION. AND, YOU KNOW, WOULD WOULD LIKE TO SEE Y'ALL VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS. THANK YO. I HAVE MAX TUCKER. MY NAME IS MAX HARM. MY FIRM RECENTLY ACQUIRED A 37 THROUGH 45 SOUTHWEST OSCEOLA STREET. OUR TENANTS INCLUDE THE BELOVED KILWINS READING OUTFITTERS, DIRTY HIPPIE, GUMBO, LIMBO, AND CAPRI. WE ARGUABLY HAVE THE LARGEST FRONTAGE ON OSCEOLA STREET. RATHER ON SEMINOLE STREET. SECOND LARGEST FRONTAGE ON OSCEOLA STREET AFTER THE POST OFFICE ARCADE. I SIMPLY WANTED TO ADDRESS A POINT THAT I HEARD PREVIOUSLY ABOUT RETURN ON INVESTMENT, WHICH WE ALL DID A FANTASTIC POINT OF ADDRESSING. 
          SHE WAS QUICK TO OBSERVE THE INCREASES IN PROPERTY TAXES. I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THE INCREASES IN SALES TAXES. OUR INTENTION WOULD BE TO MATCH THAT RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND IMPROVING THE FACADE OF OUR BUILDING. I ACTUALLY HAVE AN IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING YOUR WAY TO IMPROVE THE FACADE OF OSCEOLA STREET. SO WE INTEND TO SEMINOLE STREET IS REALLY THE THIRD, YOU KNOW, STREET OF THE DOWNTOWN. SO. FLAGLER, OSCEOLA AND THEN SEMINOLE WOULD REALLY BE THE THREE BIG STREETS OF DOWNTOWN. RIGHT NOW, IT JUST SERVES AS AN BUT AS THE LARGEST BUILDING ON THAT STREET. I CAN TELL YOU WITH CONFIDENCE, WE WOULD INVEST IN MAKING SURE THAT YOUR WORK DOESN'T GO UNNOTICED AND WE WOULD IMPROVE THE RETAIL AND REALLY BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY TO BE A PART OF A COUPLE OTHER POINTS THAT PANEL OBSERVED. IF THIS DOES NOT GET DONE NOW, IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO HAVE FPL COME IN AND CEMENT THESE POLES. 
          KIND OF EMPHASIZE THAT POINT ONCE MORE. IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN NOW, IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THAT. $8 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY. BUT THIS DOWNTOWN HAS BEEN HERE FOR 100 DOING HERE. THEY TURNED DOWN THIS PROJECT FOR $8 MILLION. AND 
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JUST ANOTHER COMMENT. I ACTUALLY WAS INVOLVED IN A UNDERGROUNDING PROJECT. IN MY EXPERIENCE IN DOWNTOWN MIAMI. THE PROJECT WAS MUCH BIGGER. OUR UNDERGROUNDING BUDGET WAS OVER $100 MILLION. WE WORKED WITH KIMLEY-HORN, HAD EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH BURKHART AT BEST IN CLASS, AND CANAL HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB WORKING THIS PROJECT DOWN. THANK YOU KAVON. 
          ARE WE GOING? HONORABLE COMMISSIONERS AND DEAR BOARD MEMBERS. MY NAME IS KEVIN MALOOLY AND I RESIDE AT 41 SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE STREET, SAILFISH COVE. I ALSO SERVE AS THE BOARD MEMBER FOR HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AT STEWARD. BASICALLY, I AM EXPRESSING THE VOICE OF 37 OTHER UNIT OWNERS THAT RESIDE THERE, MOSTLY AROUND AROUND AROUND THE YEAR. I AM HERE TODAY TO EXPRESS OUR STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE DOWNTOWN UNDERGROUNDING AND SEMINOLE STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. THIS PROJECT IS POISED TO BREATHE NEW LIFE INTO OUR STREET TO BOOST LOCAL BUSINESSES AND ESTABLISH DOWNTOWN STUART AS A PREMIER DESTINATION FOR BOTH RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. AS NOW PRESENTED A GREAT PROJECT AND WITH ALL THE APPROPRIATE FOLKS THAT THEY HAVE INVOLVED, I THINK THAT THEY HAVE PUT A WELL DEVELOPED PLAN TO MOVE AHEAD. UTILITIES UNDERGROUND I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE OUR SUPPORT. AS YOU KNOW, FEW FACTS, ITEMS. FIRST OF ALL, FROM AN ACCESSIBILITY PERSPECTIVE, THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BRING DOWNTOWN STEWART INTO COMPLIANCE WITH ADA REGULATIONS. I'M NOT ONLY TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT ALSO I AM IMPACTED BY THE EFFECT THAT IT HAS ON THE PEOPLE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE AS GOOD OF MOBILITY AS THE REST OF THE CITY. ENSURING THAT OUR CHARMING DOWNTOWN IS ACCESSIBLE TO ALL, INCLUDING ELDERLY RESIDENTS, EXPECTANT MOTHERS, AND ESPECIALLY THOSE WITH DISABILITIES. NOW, FROM A RELIABILITY PERSPECTIVE, UNDERGROUNDING DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM OFFERS SIX TIMES MORE RELIABILITY THAN THE OVERHEAD SYSTEM. THIS IS THE SAME INFORMATION THAT THIS GENTLEMAN PROVIDED AND FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT ON THEIR EARNINGS REPORT LAST WEEK REGARDING THEIR PERFORMANCE DURING THE HURRICANE PUT ALL THE CUSTOMERS TOGETHER WAS BECAUSE OF THE, AGAIN, UNDERGROUNDING AND A LOT OF DISTRIBUTIONS AND FOR ALL. AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR SMALL BUSINESSES, WHICH IS THE BACKBONE OF OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITIES, THE ECONOMICS, AND ALSO FOR THE RESIDENTS AS WELL. AND FROM A COMMITMENT PERSPECTIVE, WHEN MY FELLOW RESIDENTS AND I PURCHASED OUR UNITS, WE WERE ASSURED THAT FORTHCOMING IMPROVEMENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA IS IMPORTANT. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST FACTORS THAT, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, WE DECIDED TO ALSO PURCHASE IN THIS LOCATION AND ALSO THE CANAL AS WELL MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER HAS ALREADY CONTRIBUTED $80,000 OF THE FUND. 
          YOU KNOW, FOR THIS. SO THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A BOLD STATEMENT ABOUT WHO WE ARE AND WHERE WE ARE GOING AS A COMMUNITY. LET'S TAKE THIS STEP TOGETHER. LET'S INVEST IN THE FUTURE OF DOWNTOWN STUART STEPHEN VITALE. MR. VITALE. GOOD EVENING. STEPHEN VITALE. I'M THE OWNER OF THE OLD COLORADO NGUYEN IN DOWNTOWN STUART. $10 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT I THINK IT'S MONEY WELL SPENT. WE ARE THE RECREATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT CENTER OF MARTIN COUNTY. DOWNTOWN STUART IS ALSO THE GOVERNMENTAL CENTER OF THE COUNTY. IT IS ALSO THE BUSINESS CENTER OF THE COUNTY. I JUST RETURNED FROM A TRIP TO WASHINGTON, D.C. THIS MORNING. 
          THE AIRPORT THERE, YOU WILL NOTICE, HAS BEAUTIFUL ARCHITECTURE. ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL AIRPORTS AND THE SMITHSONIAN AND ALL OF THE PARKS ARE BEAUTIFUL THERE, 
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AND A LOT OF MONEY IS SPENT ON THEM BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A CAPITAL, YOU NEED TO PUT YOUR BEST FOOT FORWARD. AND THESE FIVE STREETS ARE KIND OF LIKE THE CAPITAL OF MARTIN COUNTY. 
          THAT'S HOW I LOOK AT THEM. SO I THINK THERE'S A DEFINITELY A JUSTIFICATION FOR SPENDING THIS MUCH MONEY IN THIS SMALL AREA. WE ARE THE BEST SMALL TOWN IN IN AMERICA FOR MANY REASONS, ONE OF WHICH IS OUR PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLINESS. AND RIGHT NOW, FRANKLY, IT'S ESTHETICALLY DISPLEASING. WALKING DOWN SEMINOLE STREET. AND IF WE HAVE TO ADD AN EXTRA POLE, IT'S GOING TO BE NOT ONLY ESTHETICALLY, ESTHETICALLY DISPLEASING, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO WALK DOWN THE STREET. SO I THINK WE NEED TO SPEND THIS MONEY. IT'S A GOOD PROJECT AND I ENCOURAGE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM ANY BOARD MEMBERS. BOARD MEMBER. PENNY. WELL, I ALWAYS GO FIRST. 
          WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP, I COULDN'T BELIEVE HOW THE PRICE KEPT. KEPT ESCALATING. IT WENT FROM WHAT WAS IT, $4.5 MILLION. AND THEY KEPT ON GOING UP. AND I THINK SOMEONE HAD SAID $17 MILLION. SO I WANT TO THANK PANEL FOR DOING ALL THE WORK SHE'S DONE ON THIS, AND ESPECIALLY THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. I FIND THIS VERY HELPFUL AND I DON'T I HATE SPENDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY ON ANY PROJECT FOR FREE, BUT BUT IF THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS ONLY HALF TRUE, WE WILL GET THAT MONEY BACK. SO EVEN THOUGH I THINK WE COULD SPEND MONEY ON OTHER THINGS. BUT THIS IS A GREAT THING, A GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT. AND IT'S NOT THE WHAT WE HAD SAID THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. $17 MILLION. BOARD MEMBER MCCHRYSTAL. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO THANK BOARD MEMBER BRECHBILL FOR EXPLAINING THE NUMBERS AND ALL OF SO BASICALLY, THE PROPERTY VALUES THAT ARE SURROUNDING THIS PROJECT WENT FROM A VALUE LIKE 5 MILLION TO OVER 50, LIKE $59 MILLION. IT WAS THAT BIG OF AN INCREASE. CORRECT. AND SO AND I CONFIRM THAT AND THAT TRANSLATES DIRECTLY INTO TEN TIMES MORE TAX REVENUE OR SO. RIGHT. 
          BUT THERE'S OVERALL THERE'S THIS AGAIN, A BIG UMBRELLA KIND OF GUY WHO'S THE TRUMP LIKE CHARACTER IN THE ROOM AT THE CITY THAT SAYS, YEAH, THAT'S YOUR BID. NOW MAKE IT BETTER, MAKE IT CHEAPER. SHOW US YOU CAN. BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO DO THAT BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE IS BIDDING. SO HAVE WE REACHED THAT POINT WHERE WE HAVE NO LEVERAGE WHATSOEVER AND HOW MUCH WE PAY FOR PROJECTS OF THIS SIZE? I GUESS THE ANSWER IS YES. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER BRIDGEVILLE. YEAH, I, I DID WANT TO SAY LIKE LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE I APPRECIATE THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTS IN THE CRA, I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE CITY AS A WHOLE BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, MONEY THAT WE GET FROM MILLION DOLLARS ON THIS PROJECT AND WE INVEST THAT $2 MILLION INTO A PROJECT THAT DOESN'T PRODUCE THE SAME RETURN. WE'RE REALLY BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL. I MEAN, WE REALLY ARE GOING BACKWARDS. AND THIS IS INVESTMENT FROM A TRUE INVESTMENT STANDPOINT. NOT LIKE THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE SPENDING. IT'S NOT LIKE SPENDING IS AN INVESTMENT. THIS IS AN INVESTMENT WHERE WE ACTUALLY GET A RETURN IN TAX DOLLARS. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT FACTOR HERE IS THAT AND IT IS I MEAN FOR ONE YEAR WE'RE LOOKING AT 89, 90% OF A 90% POTENTIAL INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES. AND THEY'RE MOSTLY COMMERCIAL, WHICH DON'T HAVE TO SAVE OUR HOME CAPS AND OTHER THINGS. AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY GOING TO SAVE OUR RESIDENTS OUTSIDE THE CITY MONEY, BECAUSE THERE'S THINGS THEN THAT WE WILL HAVE MORE MONEY TO DO THAT WILL HAVE TAKEN CARE OF IN THE CRA. AND, YOU KNOW, THE SPILLOVER EFFECT, THE TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT WILL OCCUR, I THINK, IN I AGREE WITH TOM. I DON'T LIKE 
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SPENDING AND FRANK, I DON'T LIKE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, $9 MILLION. BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND IT AT SOME POINT. AND THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND. BOARD MEMBER MOSER. THANK YOU. I HAVE A FEW POINTS. FIRST, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TREES. RIGHT NOW, DOWNTOWN STUART IS A THREE SEASON CITY. IT'S TOO HOT TO GO DOWNTOWN IN THE SUMMER. AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS TELL YOU THAT OUT OF SEASON AND THE SNOWBIRDS HAVE LEFT. YOU KNOW, BUSINESS GETS A LITTLE TIGHT. HAVING STREET TREES DOWNTOWN WOULD ALLOW FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO VISIT DOWNTOWN YEAR ROUND, AND IT'S COMFORTABLE AND NOT TOO HOT. AND WE CAN'T DO THAT UNLESS WE GET OUR UTILITIES DOWN. YOU CAN RIDE DOWN OSCEOLA A LITTLE BIT FURTHER EAST AND SEE THAT THE WATER OAKS THERE THAT ARE ALONG THE EDGE. INTERFERING WITH UTILITY POLES HAVE BEEN HACKED BACK AND THEY I LIKE THIS. SECOND IS I'VE WORKED ON TWO STREETSCAPE PROJECTS IN TENNESSEE AND TEXAS SINCE 2020. SO MORE RECENT CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND LOOKING AT THE COST OF THIS AND THOSE COSTS, I THINK IT IT'S IN LINE AND IT MAKES SENSE. AND LAST I WANT TO SAY THAT INVESTING IN YOUR STREETSCAPES IS A CITY IS A REALLY SMART IDEA. AND YOU DO SEE A HUGE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. I USED TO LIVE IN SPARTANBURG. SPARTANBURG, SOUTH CAROLINA, AND MAYBE TEN, 15 YEARS AGO THEY INVESTED $30 MILLION INTO THEIR STREET STREETSCAPE PROGRAM, AND WITHIN ABOUT FIVE YEARS, THEY HAD $300 MILLION OF PRIVATE INVESTMENT. I LOOKED UP THAT NUMBER ABOUT A MONTH AGO, AND NOW THEY'RE UP TO $1 BILLION OF PRIVATE INVESTMENT IN THEIR DOWNTOWN. AND THAT ALL SPARKED FROM THEM INVESTING IN THEIR CITY AND THEIR PUBLIC SPACES. 
          BOARD MEMBER HAWKINS. YES. I JUST IN ALL THE CONVERSATION WORKING WITH STUART MAIN STREET IN THE SURVEY AS WELL AS JUST BEING A PATRON OF THE DOWNTOWN. THERE'S SEVERAL BUSINESSES THAT STAY OPEN UNTIL LATER HOURS IN THE DOWNTOWN, AND THERE'S A LOT OF PATRONS THAT HAVE EXPRESSED FEELING UNSAFE ON SEMINOLE STREET BECAUSE OF THE PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF APPEAL, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF LIGHTING THAT IS THAT THERE'S BACK THERE DURING THE NIGHTTIME. 
          SO THERE IS A PLAN TO ADD LIGHTING WITH THE STREETSCAPE TO. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THAT ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT THAT IT'S NOT JUST AN INVESTMENT, AN INVESTMENT INTO OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND HARDENING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR THE SAFETY OF THE PATRONS. BOARD MEMBER NOBLE. I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT THERE'S AN OLD SAYING, YOU CAN'T SAVE YOUR WAY TO PROSPERITY. AND THE ONLY THING I HAVE THE ON THE TRAIN THAT I THINK WE GOT PLENTY OF MONEY TO SPEND ON THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WHY NOT? YES. BOARD MEMBER COLLINS. I'LL TAKE THAT AS A COMPLIMENT. ANDY. 
          THANK YOU. PANEL. YOU SAID WE HAVE 4 TO 5 MILLION IN FUND BALANCE IN THAT ACCOUNT. IN FUND BALANCE, WE HAVE ABOUT 4 TO $5 MILLION. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OUT A NOTE TO DO THIS? NO, I HAVE MONEY TO DO THE BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR $3.7 MILLION. SO PANEL IS WELL AWARE THAT I HAVE BEEN. SKEPTICAL OF THIS PROJECT FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IT. AND I ECHO BOARD MEMBER CAM PENNY'S COMMENTS AND CONCERNS REGARDING IT AND I WAS. CONGRATULATIONS BOTH TO THE CITY MANAGER AND PANEL, BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER PREDICTED THAT WE WOULD SEE THIS DRAMATIC REDUCTION IN THE COST AND AT THE NUMBERS WE SAW BEFORE, THEY WERE JUST THEY WERE NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME. BUT THIS IS I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB HERE WORKING WITH THESE CONTRACTORS. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AND ACCOMPLISHING WHAT YOU DID, ESPECIALLY THIS REMARKABLE TYPE OF IT IS A SMART CONTRACT WHERE YOU KNOW, THE OVERRUNS DO NOT FALL UPON THE CITY. THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY ON SEMINOLE. AND I JUST LEARNED A TERM THIS WEEK ACTIVATE AND ACTIVATE THE STREET. MOST OF THESE BUSINESSES ACTUALLY GO. AND WHERE IS MR. DUCHAMP? THEY GO, YOU GO, YOU HAVE ACCESS ON OSCEOLA AND SEMINOLE. CORRECT. THEY GO 
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THROUGH I OFTEN GET ASKED, YOU KNOW, CAN WE TURN OSCEOLA INTO A PEDESTRIAN MALL? AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. BUT I THINK THIS IS A STREET THAT ACTUALLY WE COULD CLOSE OFF NOT INFREQUENTLY AND TURN IT INTO A REALLY TERRIFIC AREA THAT PEOPLE AND FAMILIES CAN WALK UP AND DOWN AT NIGHT. IT'S WELL SHADED. 
          I JUST THINK IT'D BE IT COULD REALLY ENHANCE THE DOWNTOWN QUALITY OF LIFE. AND SO I'M GLAD WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY. MAYOR. BOARD MEMBER CLARK. THANK YOU. YES. I AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS AND ALL THE COMMENTS. I ESPECIALLY LIKE MISTER BLACKWELL'S COMMENTS. OF COURSE, WE ALL KNEW THAT THE PRICE HAS BEEN A BIG ISSUE. BURKHART AND EVERYBODY WHO'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS, WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO IT. AND THE DETAIL THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO IT. AND WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CITY OF STUART STANDS AS A BEACON, AND ESPECIALLY OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. WE DEFINITELY KNOW I AGREE WITH MR. HAWKINS ABOUT THE SAFETY ISSUE ON SEMINOLE OR ANYWHERE DOWNTOWN, SO I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD THING I HOPE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR THIS PROJECT PROJECT, AND THAT IT WILL BE DONE IN A VIGOROUS MANNER IF WE VOTE FOR IT AND WE GET IT WORKED ON. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU TAKE THE ROLL, PLEASE? BOARD MEMBER BRECHBILL I BOARD MEMBER READ. YES. BOARD I ALSO HAVE THE OTHER ACTION 
          [5. AMENDMENT TO RFQL #2024-400 CMAR TO AWARD CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TO BURKHARDT (RC): RESOLUTION No. 114-2024; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER-AT-RISK CONTRACT UNDER REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS #2024-400, THE DOWNTOWN UNDERGROUNDING AND SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE PROJECT, IN ORDER TO AWARD THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES PHASE TO BURKHARDT CONSTRUCTION, INC. FOR THE PRICE NOT TO EXCEED $8,756,347.76; PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
ITEM. YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION NUMBER. YES. FOR CITY COMMISSION APPROVAL. DO YOU WANT? IT'S MADAM. MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH MR. BAGGETT. READ IT FOR OUR CONSIDERATION, PLEASE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. RESOLUTION NUMBER 114. DASH 2024. A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK CONTRACT UNDER REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS NUMBER 2024400. THE DOWNTOWN UNDERGROUNDING AND SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE PROJECT IN ORDER TO AWARD THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES PHASE TO BURKHART CONSTRUCTION, INC. FOR THE PRICE NOT TO EXCEED $8,756,347.76. PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS. PROVIDING FOR ADDITIONAL PRESENTATIONS REGARDING THIS ITEM. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH REGARD TO RESOLUTION NUMBER ONE, ONE FOUR 2024, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION I SECOND. NO, I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING A CRA. I APPRECIATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET IT RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? YEAH. OH, COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER CLARK AND A SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER COLLINS. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, MAYOR? MAYOR, MAY I JUST ASK FOR SOME CLARIFICATION ON THIS? BECAUSE I'VE RUN INTO THIS IN THE PAST. YOU. THE MOTION WAS TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF. THE STAFF HAS GIVEN THREE OPTIONS. OKAY, SO IN YOUR PRESENTATION SO OKAY. THE THE WHOLE PROJECT, WHICH IS 8.7 MILLION. YES. OPTION ONE. OPTION ONE. OPTION ONE. SO YOUR MOTION IS APPROVAL OF OPTION ONE. CORRECT. YES. IS THAT SUFFICIENT CLARIFICATION, MR. BHAGAT? YES. 
          IF YOU LOOKED AT THE PRESENTATION, THERE WERE A FEW SLIDES ON PAGES FOUR AND FIVE OF THE HANDOUT IN FRONT OF YOU THAT HAD THREE OPTIONS. I HAVE IT UP HERE ON THE SCREEN. IT'S NOT LABELED OPTION ONE BUT NO THEY'RE NOT LABELED OPTION ONE. THE FIRST OPTION IS PHASE ONE UNDERGROUND OPTION AS A TOTAL AND GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE OF 8 MILLION. I'D SORT OF IMPLIED THAT, DOESN'T IT? YES. YES. SO JUST DO WHAT HE WANTS. OKAY, FINE. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE US TO CLARIFY FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS RESOLUTION? AGAIN, I'LL NOT CLEAR WHAT YOU GUYS VOTED 
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ON. SO I'M LEARNING IN THIS JOB AND SO OPTION ONE INCLUDES THIS INCLUDES PHASE ONE UNDERGROUNDING OF SEMINOLE STREET. PHASE TWO UNDERGROUNDING OF OSCEOLA AND SEMINOLE STREETSCAPE. YOU HAD OTHER OPTIONS THAT WOULD REMOVE 1 OR 2 OF THOSE THREE OPTIONS. SO OPTION ONE WHICH HAS ALL THREE. OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. I'M SURE THAT YOUR MOTION WILL REFLECT THAT. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE ELIGIBLE TO COMMENT ON THIS? THE COMMISSIONERS? NO, I'LL SAY ONE. OKAY. I I'VE ECHOED THIS IN OTHER SETTINGS, BUT I HOPE THAT AS A CRA, WE CAN START TO MOVE IN THE DIRECTION AFTER THIS OF I DON'T KNOW IF BEAUTIFICATION WOULD BE THE RIGHT FRAME SIDEWALKS, LANDSCAPING, SHADE TREES. AND OUT OF THESE LARGER PROJECTS THAT I THINK ARE EXPENSIVE AND I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE WE CAN DO THIS ALL OVER THE CITY OR THE CRA. SO JUST JUST AS A TACK ON TO MY VOTE. 
          YEAH. I MEAN, ISN'T THIS A GOOD STEP TOWARDS THAT? YES. OKAY. CLERK, CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. 
          OH, I HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. BOARD MEMBER. 
          CLARK. YES. BOARD MEMBER. COLLINS. CHAIR. RICH. YES. BOARD MEMBER. READ. YES. SEEING NO OTHER ITEMS FOR OUR CONSIDERATION. IS THAT CORRECT? THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. WE WILL ADJOURN. WE WILL CONVENE THE NEXT
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