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THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE STUART. STUART. STUART CITY COMMISSION. THE FOR THE LATE TIME, BUT WE RAN A LITTLE LONG IN OUR PRIOR MEETIN. WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE, MADAM CLERK? MAYOR RICH? YES. HERE. COMMISSIONER COLLINS. HERE, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. HERE, COMMISSIONER GOBI AND COMMISSIONER REED. HERE. SO WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF THIS EVENING OF OUR INVOCATION BEING PROVIDED BY PASTOR JAMES HARP. WILL YOU THEN LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I WILL, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE LATE HOUR. YOU KNOW, WE'RE COVERED BY GRACE HERE. SO THAT'S THAT'S GOOD. LET'S PRAY. FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THIS EVENING. AND ONCE AGAIN, THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AND. AND, LORD, WATCH YOU AT WORK IN OUR CITY. I THANK YOU FOR THESE ONCE AGAIN THAT YOU HAVE PLACED IN LEADERSHIP OVER OUR COMMUNITY. LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THEM AND YOUR WORD TELLS US. THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT YOUR BLESSING TO BE UPON THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES. LORD, CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE THEM AND GIVE THEM WISDOM AND DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE AS THEY LEAD AND GOD. WE WILL CONTINUE TO THANK YOU FOR THEM. LORD, WE ARE AT A TIME IN OUR IN OUR WORLD WHERE WE NEED HOPE, AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE HOPE THAT WE FIND IN YOU, GOD AND IN YOUR WORD AND LORD, YOUR WORD TELLS US THAT WE CAN CAN SEEK YOU AND FIND YOU WHEN WE SEEK YOU WITH ALL OUR HEART. AND LORD, YOUR WORD SAYS IN ROMANS CHAPTER 15, MAY THE LORD MAY THE GOD OF HOPE FILL YOU WITH ALL JOY AND PEACE IN BELIEVING, SO THAT BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT YOU MAY ABOUND IN HOPE. SO THANK YOU.
GOD BLESS THIS EVENING. BLESS AND GUIDE AND DIRECT CONVERSATIONS, AND WE JUST GIVE YOU ALL THE PRAISE IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU,
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PASTOR HARP. COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER REED, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS THIS EVENING? I DO, I HAVE SOME MORE PREPARED STUFF FOR THIS EVENING. I DO WANT TO SAY I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO CITY ATTORNEY LEE BAGGETT FOR GETTING TO SHOUT YOU OUT FOR ALL THE GREAT THINGS YOU DO FOR THIS BOARD. I'M CONSTANTLY IN YOUR OFFICE ASKING FOR LEGAL ADVICE TO MAKE SURE I'M ON THE UP AND UP AND DOING MY JOB AS A BOARD MEMBER UP HERE, SO THANK YOU, MR. BAGGETT.ALSO, I WAS I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THE MAKING STRIDES AGAINST BREAST CANCER WALK. IT WAS HOSTED BY AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY OVER THE WEEKEND. FOR ANYONE THAT HAS NOT AND IT WILL AFFECT YOU EMOTIONALLY, PHYSICALLY, AS NOT ONLY A HUMAN BEING, AS SEEING ALL THE SURVIVORS OUT THERE, BUT YOUR FAMILY AS WELL. I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT SPENDING TIME IN THE CHAMBER AT THE BOK, AND THEY HAVE A LIGHT SYSTEM, AND FOR ANYONE THAT HASN'T BEEN THERE, BASICALLY IT IT ALLOWS THE CHAIR TO CONTROL THE MEETING MUCH BETTER AND PROFESSIONALLY. SO WHEN YOU WANT TO PROVIDE COMMENT, WE'RE NOT JUST SHOUTING AT FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, YOU HIT A MOMENTARY SWITCH. IT NOTIFIES THE CHAIR AND THEN HE'LL KNOW WHO NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZED SO THEY CAN SPEAK. I THINK IT WOULD BE AWESOME FOR THE CITY TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT THIS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE COST WOULD BE. MAYBE THAT WOULD SEND MIKE IN A DIRECTION. WE ACTUALLY HAVE LOOKED INTO IT IN THE PAST, AND ALSO TRIED TO INTEGRATE THE COMPUTER. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WHEN THEY BUILT THIS ROOM. THIS IS AMAZINGLY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT STORAGE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY EASY TO RUN NEW WIRING, ETC. WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING COMPUTER SCREENS AND ALL OF THIS STUFF AND THE COST WENT QUICKLY TO HIGH I THINK. AND WE'VE MET WITH DARREN ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, BUT I THINK WE COULD PUT THE LIGHT SYSTEM IN JUST AS A BASIC CLICK AND LIGHT, BECAUSE IT JUST WOULD LITERALLY BE ON OFF HERE AND THREE WAY FOR EVERYBODY, BUT NOT THE COMPUTERS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF DISCOURAGED IT WAS THE IDEA THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO BE DOING A NEW CITY HALL, THE OTHER BUILDING, AND AS A RESULT, NOBODY WANTED TO SPEND THE MONEY NECESSARY TO REWIRE AND JACKHAMMER STUFF UP. BUT I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY GET THE LIGHT SYSTEM IN WITHOUT ANY WITHOUT MUCH EFFORT, BECAUSE IT JUST
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WOULD BE THE LED AND CLICK ON CLICK OFF. YEAH, I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO JACKHAMMER FLOORS AND STUFF THAT THAT IS DEFINITELY AN ADDED COST. ALSO, I WANT TO MENTION HAVING EMAILS ONLINE LIKE THE ARE LISTENING TO MEETINGS. IT'S NICE TO SEE EMAILS PUBLICLY AND ACCESSIBLE WITHOUT DOING PUBLIC RECORD REQUESTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS OR FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF THINGS. ALSO, I'M NOT SURE I KNOW JODY HAS TALKED ABOUT THE PERMIT SYSTEM BEING ONLINE. I KNOW THAT WOULD SAVE ME A BUNCH OF HEADACHES WITH CONSTANTLY GOING TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH A CERTAIN NOW COMPLETELY ONLINE, THERE'S A PORTAL AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY EMAIL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND RESPOND TO NOW AND CHECK ON INSPECTION REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATE AND SUBMIT ADDITIONAL SUBMITTALS. SO LIKE IF I LOG IN, I CAN SEARCH SOMEONE ELSE'S PERMITS BASED OFF OF ADDRESS OR CONTRACTOR SEARCH ALL OF THE OPEN PERMITS. GOTCHA. BUT IF YOU HAVE YOUR OWN PERSONAL PERMITS, YOU CAN ASSIGN SOMEONE ELSE ACCESS TO IT. SO I KNOW THAT ONE WAS ONLINE. I WAS LOOKING MORE FOR IF I WANT TO SEARCH OTHER PERMITS THROUGHOUT THE CITY BESIDES MY OWN. DAYS, NOVEMBER 5TH. AND THEN I HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT PUBLIC RECORDS THAT WOULD BE NICE FOR OUR BOARD MEMBERS. SO PUBLIC RECORDS IS DEFINED TO INCLUDE ALL DOCUMENTS, PAPERS, LETTERS, MAPS, BOOKS, TAPES, PHOTOGRAPHS, FILMS, SOUND RECORDINGS, DATA PROCESSING, SOFTWARE, OR OTHER MATERIAL OR MATERIAL. REGARDLESS OF THE PHYSICAL FORM, CHARACTERISTICS OR MEANS OF TRANSMISSION MADE OR RECEIVED PURSUANT TO LAW OR ORDINANCE, OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE TRANSACTION OF OFFICIAL BUSINESS BY ANY AGENCY. A PUBLIC OFFICIAL, OR EMPLOYEES. USE OF A PRIVATE CELL PHONE TO CONDUCT PUBLIC BUSINESS VIA TEXT MESSAGING CAN CREATE AN ELECTRONIC WRITTEN PUBLIC RECORD, SUBJECT TO DISCLOSURE. IF THE TEXT MESSAGE IS PREPARED, OWNED, USED, OR OUR AGENCY. THERE WAS A CASE. CITY OF SUNNY ISLES BEACH VERSUS GATTO, AND IT SAYS, NOTING THAT A CITY COMMISSIONER'S TEXT MESSAGES MAY BE A PUBLIC RECORD, ALTHOUGH A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION BY A MUNICIPAL OFFICIAL FALLS OUTSIDE THE DEFINITION OF PUBLIC RECORD. TO SUM IT UP, PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS ARE MERELY PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS, REGARDLESS OF THE COMMUNICATION TYPE USED OR THE DEVICE IT WAS CREATED FROM. I HAVE NO PROBLEM FULFILLING PUBLIC RECORD REQUESTS. I DID RECEIVE A PUBLIC RECORD REQUEST FROM SARAH WOODS ON BEHALF OF MARTIN COUNTY REGARDING MY TRANSPARENCY, SPEECH OR ANY OF MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS RECEIVING PUBLIC RECORD REQUESTS TO THIS LEVEL OF SCRUTINY. OR IS IT JUST ME? THIS SEEMS TO TAKE UP MORE TIME THAN PERFORMING THE JOB OF RESEARCHING AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO CONDUCTING CITY BUSINESS. I HAD SEVEN INDIVIDUAL AS OF RIGHT NOW, I HAVE MORE PRESSING ISSUES TO FOCUS ON THAN ON FISHING EXPEDITIONS. FOR PUBLIC RECORDS AGAINST THE COUNTY. TO FURTHER ADD ON TO TRANSPARENCY, I'LL TAKE IT RIGHT FROM THE SUNSHINE MANUAL. THE SUNSHINE LAW DOES NOT MANDATE THAT AN AGENCY PROVIDE NOTICE OF EACH ITEM TO BE DISCUSSED VIA A PUBLISHED AGENDA. ALTHOUGH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE HAS RECOMMENDED THE PUBLICATION OF AN AGENDA IF AVAILABLE. THE COURTS HAVE REJECTED SUCH A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE IT COULD EFFECTIVELY PRECLUDE ACCESS TO MEETINGS BY MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHO WISH TO BRING SPECIFIC ISSUES BEFORE A GOVERNMENTAL BODY. THUS, THE SUNSHINE LAW DOES NOT REQUIRE BOARDS TO CONSIDER ONLY THOSE MATTERS ON A PUBLISHED AGENDA WHETHER TO IMPOSE THE REQUIREMENT THAT RESTRICTS EVERY RELEVANT COMMISSION OR A DECISION TO BE MADE BY THE LEGISLATURE, EVEN THOUGH THE SUNSHINE LAW DOES NOT PROHIBIT A BOARD FROM ADDING TOPICS TO THE AGENDA OF A REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE HAS ADVISED BOARDS TO POSTPONE FORMAL ACTION ON ANY ADDED ITEMS THAT ARE CONTROVERSIAL. IN THE SPIRIT OF THE SUNSHINE LAW. THE COMMISSION SHOULD BE SENSITIVE TO THE COMMUNITIES CONCERNS THAT IT ALLOWED ADVANCE NOTICE AND THEREFORE MEANINGFUL PARTICIPATION ON CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION, MEANING DON'T VOTE FOR AN RFP FOR BRIGHTLINE WITHOUT HAVING PUBLIC INPUT AND IT NOT BEING ON AS AN AGENDA ITEM. THANK YOU. MR. CLERK. FOR THE RECORD.[00:10:21]
I'M FINISHED. OH. THANK YOU. YOU ARE FINISHED. YES, YES. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU.ALL RIGHT. YEAH. I'M. YOU'VE MADE HISTORY. NORMALLY I GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MILTON OR UTILITIES. NEVER GIVING A SHOUT OUT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. SO CONGRATULATIONS FOR GETTING NOTICED. SO THAT'S GOOD. I KNOW THAT WHEN MR. MORTON WAS A CITY ATTORNEY A LONG TIME AGO, HE WOULD ALWAYS SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT HAPPENS BEHIND THE SCENES. AND SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR WORK AND YOUR BREADTH OF KNOWLEDGE. MR. BAGGETT. SO THANK YOU. I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO SAY, JUST THAT I'VE BEEN YOU KNOW, WE OTHER AREAS IN MARTIN COUNTY, BUT STILL CONTINUE TO LOOK OUT FOR YOUR NEIGHBOR AND CONTINUE TO THINK OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH. AND IF YOU CAN HELP, HELP. THERE ARE LOTS OF FACEBOOK WAYS IN ORDER TO HELP PEOPLE. AND OF COURSE, FEMA HAS BEEN DOWN THERE, AND I KNOW IN THE NEW MONROEVILLE AREA, THE NEW MONROEVILLE CDC IS HELPING FAMILIES, AND THEY'RE GETTING THEIR INFORMATION FROM FAMILIES AND THOSE THERE. THEY HAVE A LIST. AND SO THEY'RE ON FACEBOOK. YOU CAN LOOK THEM UP OR YOU CAN CONTACT LAUREN DEGRAY IF YOU NEED THE INFORMATION. I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU BECAUSE THESE FAMILIES REALLY NEED HELP AND CONSIDERATION. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CLARK. COMMISSIONER COLLINS. I'M NOT. SO. SORRY FOR MY HOARSE VOICE. I
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HAVE BEEN A LITTLE UNDER THE WEATHER RECENTLY, SO. WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT A PROJECT THAT WE HAD BEEN CONSIDERING FOR YEARS. LITERALLY YEARS, WITH MANY PUBLIC MEETINGS AND WORKSHOPS, AND THAT WAS THE UNDERGROUNDING. AND WE FINALLY CAME TO A GOOD DECISION, I FEEL. LET ME TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE SPENT YEARS TALKING ABOUT. YEARS ENGAGED IN WORKSHOPS, IN PUBLIC INPUT. AND THAT IS THE LAST TIME WE MADE A DECISION REGARDING CHANGING THE ZONING THAT IMPACTS THE CITY. AND THAT IS FORM BASED CODE. AND WE STARTED THIS PROCESS BACK IN 2021. I ACTUALLY STARTED IT WHEN I WAS STILL ON THE LPA, NUMEROUS WORKSHOPS WE SPENT MONTHS AND MONTHS TALKING ABOUT IT AND UNDERSTANDING IT, AND THEN IN IT WAS, LET ME GET THE EXACT DATE HERE IN JANUARY OF 22, WE PUBLISHED OUR PROPOSED CODES, AND THEN WE BEGAN A WHOLE NOTHER ROUND OF CONSIDERATION OF THE IMPACT OF FORM BASED CODE ON THE CREEK DISTRICT AND EAST STUART AND WENT TO THOSE WORKSHOPS AND 10TH STREET AND UNDERSTOOD THE IMPACT OF THE DECISIONS. WE WERE GOING TO MAKE. AND IT WAS ACTUALLY OVER A YEAR LATER. WE THEN FORMALLY ADOPTED THE FORM BASED CODE. WE MOST RECENTLY HAVE DONE THAT COMPLETELY AND JUST OUT OF THE BLUE, WE'RE GOING. WE'RE SHUTTING IT DOWN. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO WORKSHOPS, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO YOU, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT.AND IN THE MEANTIME, THERE HAVE BEEN AND UNDERSTANDABLY SO, BECAUSE WE DID NOT PROCEED THIS DECISION WITH THESE WORKSHOPS, WITH TALKING TO OUR CONSTITUENTS, WITH DUE DILIGENCE. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME UNINTENDED SIDE EFFECTS. SOMETHING YOU RARELY HEAR FROM YOUR GOVERNMENT IS, OOPS, WE MADE A MISTAKE. AND I'M AFRAID THAT'S THE CASE. ALTHOUGH I WAS
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GLAD I DID WATCH THE MEETING AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CLARK, FOR RUNNING THAT MEETING. YOU DID A VERY NICE JOB. I DID HEAR FROM THE THAT, BUT NONETHELESS, IT'S HAPPENED. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE US TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT SOME OF THOSE MORE GRIEVOUS ERRORS TO A DEGREE. SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, COMMISSIONER COLLINS, I ONCE AGAIN AM PASSING YOU THE GAVEL, AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR ANY PUD APPLICATION THAT DOES NOT HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, THAT THAT CAN COME FORWARD. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AIMING. AND THERE'S BEEN SOME DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES I'LL SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A IT'S YOURS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT OR WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO MOVE RIGHT INTO DISCUSSION? I THINK I THINK NORMALLY PUBLIC COMMENT WOULD PRECEDE OUR DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. SO ABSOLUTELY NOW WE WOULD HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP DURING A PUBLIC COMMENT IN GENERAL, OTHER STUFF THAT IS NO, NO, THIS IS BEING BROUGHT. THIS WAS BROUGHT DURING COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. SO IT'S A SPECIFIC TO THE ZONING AND PROGRESS, RIGHT? I CURRENTLY HAVE NONE. COMMISSIONER COLLINS. SO COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS. I'D LIKE TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THIS. THEN MAYBE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY. MR. BAGGETT, HOW WOULD THIS WORK WITH CODES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED? WOULD ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO MEET THIS, OR IS THEN HOW WOULD THAT WORK OUT FROM A LEGALITY PERSPECTIVE? US VERSUS ALL THESE POTENTIAL APPLICANTS THAT MIGHT TURN IT IN AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY HAVE TO MEET NEW CODE AND CHANGE THEIR SITE PLANS. THEY COULD HAVE TO CHANGE CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS TO MEET. THERE COULD BE A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY NEED CHANGE. SO I, I LOOK AT THE PUDS AS BEING ITS OWN ZONING DISTRICT. SO I MY UNDERSTANDING THE STUFF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS, YOU KNOW, STANDARD ZONING ISSUES THAT WOULDN'T COVER PUDS. BUT WHEN YOU FURTHER CARVE OUT I MEAN, I HEARD COMMENTS THAT YOU GUYS WERE ONLY LOOKING AT THE RESIDENTIAL PORTIONS OR MULTIFAMILY TYPE ISSUES AND NOT COMMERCIAL. WE'VE HAD AN OUTCRY OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS AND APPLICANTS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS FOR PUDS. SO IF THEY ARE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD, IT'S NOT LIKE STRAIGHT ZONING WHERE THEY CAN JUST GO FORWARD WITHOUT EVEN COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION. SO ANY AMENDMENT TO A PUD IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD. AND SO THIS EVEN FURTHER LIMITS IT THAT, YOU KNOW, MY IT'S MY IMPRESSION SO FAR THAT YOUR DISCUSSIONS ARE AROUND RESIDENTIAL OR MULTIFAMILY ISSUES AND NOT STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL. SO I THINK THIS LIMITS IT TO PUDS. AND ALSO IT LIMITS TO WHERE THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE MAJORITY OF YOUR DISCUSSION. AS FAR AS ANY CHANGES, HOW WOULD THAT WORK FOR THE SHARED PARKING THAT'S IN THERE? IT WOULDN'T AFFECT SHARED PARKING. THEN. I GUESS AGAIN, WITH A PUD, IT'S GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU SHARED PARKING WOULD INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL, SO THE MOTION HAD A SHARED PARKING, IT COULDN'T COME FORWARD BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T MEET THE EXCEPTION FOR WHATEVER THE CURRENT PHASE THAT IT'S IN, RIGHT? BUT IF SOMEBODY BROUGHT SOMETHING, A NEW APPLICATION FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WHATEVER THE CODE SAYS IN FIVE YEARS IS WHAT WOULD BE GOING TO HAVE TO MEET ANYWAY, RIGHT? NOT RETROACTIVE. RIGHT? BUT YOU HAVE BUSINESSES WHO WANT TO TAKE OVER EXISTING COMMERCIAL FACILITIES AND EXISTING PARKING LOTS WHO CAN'T. AND THEY'VE THEY'VE BEEN VACANT FOR YEARS. AND YOU TO I JUST TO NOT TO DENY THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY HURTS THEM OBVIOUSLY AND HURTS THE CITY. I GET IT. I MEAN, AS MR. BAGGETT SAYS, THEY HAVE TO COME BEFORE US. SO I GET IT. I MEAN, I CAN SPEAK ON[00:20:04]
PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I HAVE A PROJECT IN THE CITY THAT'S BEEN IN PERMITTING FOR QUITE A WHILE WHERE I'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH. SO I, I TOTALLY DO A THOROUGH JOB BUT GET DONE QUICKLY. I'M CONCERNED THAT IF WE START MAKING EXCEPTIONS FOR CERTAIN TYPE OF PEDS, MOST SPECIFICALLY WITH REFERENCE TO PARKING. SO PARKING IS A CHANGE THAT VERY MUCH COULD AFFECT COMMERCIAL ONLY PEDS. AND IF WE'RE LETTING IN THOSE APPLICATIONS NOW THOSE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WILL CARRY WITH THEM MOVING FORWARD. AFTER THE ZIP. SO MORE THAN TRYING TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF PEDS. WE'RE DOING THIS COMPREHENSIVE LOOK WE MOVED QUITE QUICKLY. WE GOT THROUGH ALL OF TWO I KNOW THERE'S FRUSTRATIONS HERE, BUT I WOULD RATHER US MY TAKE ON THIS BE THOROUGH. GET IT DONE. I TALKED TO MR. MORTEL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR REGULARLY SCHEDULED CRB AND LPA MEETINGS AN EMERGENCY CRB AND LPA IF IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THERE AND GET THIS DONE FAST SO THAT WE TREAT IT WOULD BE A SPECIAL MEETING, A SPECIAL MEETING FOR ME, A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THIS TO GET IT DONE. I'M WITH I'M WITH YOU GUYS AND WANTING TO GET IT DONE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO START. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO OPEN A CAN OF WORMS BY TRYING TO HAVE IT BE JUST ENOUGH TO GET THIS PROJECT THROUGH. AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO STOP EVERYTHING. SO THAT YOU CAN GET THIS ALL DIALED IN LINE ITEM SORTED OUT, OR VISIT THE CODE. AND THEN THAT OPENS BACK UP AND SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BE KEPT OUTSIDE. THAT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS PROCESS THE RIGHT WAY, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE BOUNDARIES SO WE CAN WORK AND GET IT DONE WOULD BE MY PERSPECTIVE, MR. MAYOR, COMMISSIONER CLARK, AND WE ALSO HAVE TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT TO OUR PUBLIC. SO WHEN WE GET TO NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGES, I THINK THAT THOSE WILL I KNOW WE HAVE CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF A STALL WHERE PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO GIVE MORE INPUT THAN THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BESIDE THEIR PROPERTY, AND HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN TO PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN THAT MAY NOT BE DEVELOPED, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO HAVE SMALL LOTS WHO WANT TO DEVELOP THEIR SMALL LOTS. AND IF WE'RE MAKING CHANGES TO HAVE LARGER LOTS. SO IT'S I THINK HAVING NEIGHBORHOODS INVOLVED AND MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THESE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING, IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT LONGER. AND I THINK WE'RE NOT GOING TO WE'RE THOSE PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE US. AND SOMETHING LIKE THE I LIKE THE WINN-DIXIE PARKING LOT. IT'S NOT GOING TO INCREASE IN PARKIN. IT'S GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS. THIS IS JUST A REUSE OR REDEVELOPMENT. AND I THINK I'M JUST USING THEM AS AN EXAMPLE. IT REALLY WE CAN WE CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. I MEAN, YOU'RE YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN CRITICIZED FOR. WE TALKED ABOUT BRIGHT LINE FOR A YEAR. WE HAD MEETING AFTER MEETING AFTER MEETING, AND SUDDENLY PEOPLE SHOW UP AND GO, YOU NEVER TALKED ABOUT IT. YOU ARE NOW SAYING, I WANT TO MAKE DRAMATIC CHANGES TO THE CITY'S CODE, AND I WANT TO RUSH IT. NO. DO YOU NOT? THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME TO TALK TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME TO HAVE THESE WORKSHOPS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FORGET HOW MUCH RESPONSIBILITY WE HAVE WITH FORM BASED CODE.AND TO TALK TO PEOPLE AND DO DILIGENCE, AND IT TAKES TIME. YOU CAN'T GO EAT YOUR CAKE AND HAVE IT TOO. HERE. AND I JUST. IT'S AT THE EXPENSE FOR PEOPLE WHO KEEP TALKING ABOUT SMALL GOVERNMENT. THIS IS A BIG EFFECT, AND IT'S THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MORE PARKING AT WINN-DIXIE, WINN-DIXIE, THE OLD WINN-DIXIE.
OH, YEAH. AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BEFORE US. SO YOU CAN EXPRESS YOUR CONCERNS. YOU CAN MAKE THEM WELL KNOWN. I THINK THE WILLINGNESS OF US TO DO IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS FOR A VERY SMALL NUMBER IS A MUCH BETTER WAY FOR THIS CITY TO PROCEED AT THIS POINT. AND I
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APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS. YOU'VE SHARED THAT ALONG THE WAY THAT A FORM BASED CODE TYPE, BUT WE ARE IN A ZONING AND PROGRESS, AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING THROUGH THOSE CODES. AND YOU SAID YOU WATCHED THAT MEETING. WE MADE QUITE A BIT OF PROGRESS IN GOING. YOU KNOW, CODE BY CODE. WE DID. WE GOT A LOT DONE. AND I WOULDN'T CATEGORIZE IT AS SWEEPING CHANGES THAT ARE NEW. IN FACT, WE ARE RESTORING THE RULES AS THEY WERE BEFORE. LET'S SAY, THE LAST FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE SOME OF US WERE UP HERE. I WON'T THROW STAFF UNDER THE BUS, BUT THEY WERE DRAMATIC CHANGES IN DENSITY THAT WERE ADDED, DRAMATIC CHANGES IN WHAT WE ALLOWED FOR PARKING, DRAMATIC CHANGES IN WHAT, HOW WE EVEN DEFINED A UNIT, THIS SORT OF STUFF. MAYBE YOU FORGOT WHEN YOU WERE GOING DOOR TO DOOR IS WHAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUSTED EFFECTIVELY FOUR OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. THIS IS A BIG DEAL THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED NOW. THERE IS NO CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE WANT. THE ONLY CONFUSION THAT SEEMS TO BE COMING UP, BOTH IN OUR PREVIOUS ZIP AND TONIGHT, IS WANTING TO MAKE THESE EXCEPTIONS AND SORT OF DRAG THIS OUT INTO LARGER WORKSHOPS AND MAKE THIS A LONG PROCESS. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. THIS WAS VERY FOCUSED, AND WE GOT A LOT DONE AT THE LAST MEETING. AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT ONE SO THAT WE CAN BUTTON THIS UP. OUR STAFF CAN PUT IT TOGETHER AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THAT PRESENTED. SO IT CAN BE WORKED ON BY BOARDS AND THEN IT CAN BE VOTED AND BE DONE. AND EVERYBODY CAN GET BACK TO BUSINESS. THIS THING OF WORKSHOPS AND GOING ON AND ON AND IT HAS TO BE A LONG PROCESS. IT DOESN'T IT REALLY DOESN'T.COMMISSIONER COLLINS, MAY I. SURE. ABSOLUTELY. SO I'D LIKE TO REITERATE. SO WE HAVE TWO ELECTIONS. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU IN THE COMMUNITY? PEOPLE WERE SICK AND TIRED OF THE DIRECTION THAT THE CITY WAS HEADING IN. OBVIOUSLY, FOR DENSITY FOR YOU TO CHANGE FOUR OUT OF FIVE SEATS, THAT'S ASTRONOMICAL. I'D LIKE TO REMIND ONE OF OUR FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS UP HERE, THAT ONE IN AN ELECTION CYCLE, WHILE YOU'RE SITTING IN TRAFFIC ON MONTEREY AND CANTOR ROAD, ON THAT NICE FANCY LIGHT UP BILLBOARD, IT STATED, ARE YOU TIRED OF SITTING IN TRAFFIC? WHY DON'T WE PUT A PAUSE ON DEVELOPMENT WITH A MORATORIUM AND YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT A ZONING AND PROGRESS? A MORATORIUM IS WAY WORSE. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. SOMEONE PROPOSED A MORATORIUM. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? NO MAYOR. NO.
MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? I WILL. COMMISSIONER. MAYBE BY MR. CLARK AND IT SAYS MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR ANY PUD APPLICATIONS THAT DOES NOT HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. IS THAT CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY? VERY CLEAR. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? KIND OF. LAST CHANCE BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, MARY, AS YOU SAY, COMMISSIONER COLLINS. NO. MAYOR RICH. YES. COMMISSIONER REED. NO. AND COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES. SO THE MOTION DIES AT THE TIE. MOTION FAILS. MOTION FAILS. SO WE ARE.
SO YOU RESUME THE GAVEL. BACK TO COMMENTS, COMMENTS, COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS. COMMENTS BY
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THE CITY MANAGER, PLEASE. I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. NUMBER ONE, I WANTED TO GIVE ACCOLADES TO OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND PARTICULARLY THE WATER REVIEW 5200 AND SOME ODD LINES OF PIPE THAT ARE UNDERGROUND TO PROVIDE A COPPER AND LEAD REPORT AS TO THE STATUS OF OUR PIPES IN THE CITY, AND AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, SOME OF THESE PIPES HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, AND THERE'S THE RECORDS AREN'T AS CLEAN AS THEY PROBABLY SHOULD B. SO IT WAS AN ASTRONOMICAL AND MONUMENTAL UNDERTAKING, AND THEY PROVIDED ME THE REPORT, A COPY OF IT LAST WEEK. AND THE VERY GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE CITY IS LEAD FREE. I WILL SAY THAT THE REPORT WE ONLY INSPECT THE PIPES UP TO THE METER. SO IF SOMEONE OWNS A BUILDING OR A HOUSE WHERE THE HAVE LEAD PIPES IN THEIR[00:30:06]
PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN THAN THE CITY'S SIDE OF IT. BUT IT STILL WAS A HUGE UNDERTAKING. AND THEY WORKED 5200 MILES, OR WAS IT 5200 LINES? IT'S NOT MILES, IT'S LINES. THAT'S A LOT. IT CAN'T BE MILES. BUT. OH, WELL. THANK YOU.IT WAS A TEAM. TEAM EFFORT. REALLY? THEY'RE ACTUALLY. THEY'RE 5390 SERVICE LINES THAT WERE THAT WERE INSPECTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN A NINE MONTH PERIOD OF TIME. HOW DO YOU INSPECT THOSE? JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. THEY WERE PHYSICALLY DUG UP. OH MY GOSH. AROUND THE WATER METERS AND THE VISUAL WAS MADE ON EACH AND EVERY SERVICE LINE. WHICH IS GREAT. AND IT WAS A GOOD NEWS. THE OTHER THING WE ARE DILIGENTLY MOVING FORWARD ON STATION THREE. AND TODAY THE CITY SO THAT WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL BE HAVING A RIBBON CUTTING AND A GRAND OPENING OF STATION THREE FORMALLY DURING THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER, AND I WILL BE GETTING BACK TO YOU ON THAT AS WE GET CLOSER AND I SPEAK TO THE CHIEF OR BATTALION CHIEF HONEYCUTT. AND LASTLY, I WAS CONTACTED BY A RESIDENT, AND HE'S LIVED IN HIS HOME FOR MANY YEARS AND IN HIS FRONT YARD, A PINE TREE HAS GROWN TO AN ENORMOUS HEIGHT. AND DURING THE STORM, SOME BRANCHES BLEW OFF THE PINE TREE AND DAMAGED HIS CAR. HE TOLD ME THAT HE'S FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THE PINE TREE IS ACTUALLY IN THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY, AND HE WANTS THE CITY'S TREE TEAM TO CUT THE WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A TREE TEAM BECAUSE WE FIRST DON'T PLANT TREES IN PRIVATE PROPERTIES, YARDS, AND OUR CODE PROHIBITS RESIDENTS FROM PLANTING TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. BUT RESIDENTS STILL PLANT TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. BUT IT HAPPENS IN THIS INSTANCE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE TREE, BUT THERE'S ROT, I GUESS.
AND SOME OF THE BRANCHES HAVE FALLEN, AND HE'S CONCERNED THAT THE BRANCHES ARE GOING TO FALL AGAIN IN THE FUTURE. I TOLD HIM I WOULD BRING IT UP AND TELL THE COMMISSION OUR CODE DOESN'T GIVE ME THE AUTHORITY TO SELECTIVELY PROVIDE LANDSCAPING OR MAINTENANCE TO ANY INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES. I KNOW THAT MILTON HAS BEEN CALLED OUT TO THE SITE AND HE DOESN'T HAVE THE PEOPLE, SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO HIRE A TREE COMPANY OR SOMEBODY TO TRIM THE BRANCHES. AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT WOULD OPEN UP BUT I DID ALSO TELL THE RESIDENT THAT I WOULD BRING IT UP, BECAUSE HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT FOR 30 YEARS HE HAS MAINTAINED THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY AS WELL AS THE CITY EASEMENT THAT GOES FOR THE LAST TEN FEET IN HIS BACK YARD, AND HE FELT LIKE IT WAS OUR TURN TO CONTRIBUTE TO HIM. I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSION HAS ANY KNOWLEDGE OF IT OR OR FEELINGS ON IT. I SAID I WOULD BRING IT UP. IF AFTER THE MEETING OR ANYTHING ANYBODY WANTS TO DISCUSS IT WITH ME OR YOU WANT ME TO TAKE ACTION TO BRING IT BACK, TO HAVE THE CITY TRIM IT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. AS OF RIGHT NOW, WITHOUT ANY ACTUAL AUTHORITY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT, IT'S IT BECOMES VERY COMPLICATED TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHO QUALIFIES AND WHO DOESN'T.
SO. AND MR. MARTEL, THE HAZARD THAT WAS CAUSED BY THE TREE FALLING IS ON HIS PROPERTY. IT'S NOT ON THE RIGHT OF WAY OR IMPEDING TRAVEL. IT'S NOT IMPEDING TRAVEL. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT IN THE AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS. SO IT WAS GROWING AND WAS IN FULL HEALTH. AND THEN SOMETHING'S HAPPENED. DON'T KNOW IF IT GOT STRUCK BY LIGHTNING OR IF THE TREE IS DYING OR IF IT'S ROTTED, BUT HE HAD BRANCHES THAT HE SAYS ARE ROTTEN AND HE'S AFRAID THEY'RE GOING TO FALL AND FALL ON HIS VEHICLE THAT HE PARKS UNDERNEATH THE TREE. AND, AND I SAID I WOULD BRING IT UP, BUT I IT'S. HAS HE EVER ASKED THE CITY TO REMOVE IT PRIOR TO WHEN IT WAS LIKE TEN FEET TALL? NO. IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW IF HE PLANTED IT OR IF IT WAS THERE WHEN HE BOUGHT THE HOUSE EITHER, BUT I DO KNOW THAT I LOOKED ON THE SATELLITE PICTURE, AND IT'S A PRETTY BIG TREE, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT I LOOKED LIKE PRIOR YEARS AND LIKE FIVE YEARS AGO, THE TREE WAS VERY LUSH AND GREEN AND FULL, AND IT'S AN EVERGREEN, SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT LOSES LEAVES
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OR, YOU KNOW, BECOMES DORMANT. AND THE MOST RECENT SATELLITE PICTURE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOT SOME KIND OF INFESTATION OR SOMETHING THAT'S BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE HOW DO WE REGULATE THAT IF WE OPEN THAT UP AND START GOING HOUSE BY HOUSE? BECAUSE I KNOW I'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU GUYS COME TRIM MY PALMS EVERY MONTH OR SO.SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION IT TO YOU BECAUSE I ASSUME HE'S PROBABLY GOING TO CALL YOU AS WELL. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE AWARE OF IT. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. MILTON, YOU ACTUALLY WENT OUT TO THIS? COMMENTS. NO. OKAY. ARE YOU DONE? YEAH. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I
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HAVE NOTHING FURTHER. CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, PLEASE? MOVE. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA IS PUBLISHED. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLLINS. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AGENDA? IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR? I. I. COMMENTS[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (Non-Agenda Related) (3 Minutes Max.)]
FROM THE PUBLIC ON OKAY, MISS SOLOMON. COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? WHEN YOU GET UP THERE? GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS LEE SOLOMON. I LIVE ON 1009 SOUTHEAST 16TH COURT. NOT ONLY THAT, I'M A NATIVE OF SCHOOL, BUT I WAS BORN IN CITY OF STEWART. BUT MOST OF MY LIFE I'VE TRAVELED. BUT I'M HERE FROM STEWART. I HAVE A QUESTION. AND I HAVE SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY. COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OUR NEW GOD DAVIS PARK LOCATION AT 724 EAST 10TH STREET AND STEWART. THAT'S A PARK. THAT'S A PLACE THAT I'VE KNOWN AS A CHILD. I'M AGE SEVEN NOW, AND CHAIN. I GOT A QUESTION. THE $7 MILLION THAT THE NEW GUY DAVIS SUPPORTED. COMPLEX MASTER PLAN FOR 2025 AND PHASE ONE THROUGH PHASE FIVE INCLUDE NUMBER ONE, A NEW ADDITION TO THE PARK'S NAME. I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THE NAME GUY DAVIS FORT COMPLEX. STUART HERITAGE MUSEUM LEARNING CENTER FOR THAT PARTICULAR PARK BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN EAST STUART HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT THAT PARK. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AT THAT BUILDING.NOW IT HAS CHANGED SO MUCH. YOU CAN'T EVEN HARDLY GO IN IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE KIDS. THIS SHOULD BE CHANGED IN 20 2125. PHASE ONE. IT SHOULD BE DECREED AND CHANGED. WHAT MR. COLLINS SENATE THAT NO LONGER PROVIDE AFTER SCHOOL FOR OUR GIRLS AND BOYS. THERE AT THE NEW BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB FOR THE EAST STEWART COMMUNITY CHILDREN, LOCATED AT 724 EAST 10TH STREET. STEWART, FLORIDA. IT SHOULD BE DESIGNATED AS THE EASTERN HERITAGE MUSEUM LEARNING CENTER, SO OUR KIDS CAN CONTINUE TO LEARN AND BE THERE IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY. THIS SHOULD BE DECREED AND PROPOSED AND INCLUDED IN THE MASTER PLANS FOR THE NEW GUY DAVIS $7 MILLION PARK. EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY AND PHASE ONE, 2025. AGAIN, I ALSO ASK THAT THE CITY OF STEWART, FLORIDA COMMISSIONER, ALL OF YOU OFFICIALS AND THE EASTERN. HERITAGE ADVISORY BOARD COMMITTEE MAKE THIS MAJOR PRIORITY OVER ANY OTHER REQUESTS RELATED TO THE RUSH NEW MASTER PLANS FOR THE GOD DAVIS PARK ON 25 IS BEYOND. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT INSTEAD OF A SKATE PARK. BEFORE WE GET WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO AND GOT DAVIS PARK. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. HELLO? ANYBODY HOME? HEY, JAMES. THANK YOU, MA'AM. I JUST LIKE TO REMIND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT YOU CANNOT ADDRESS ANY SPECIFIC MEMBER UP HERE. WE ALL SIT TOGETHER. I'M
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SORRY. GO AHEAD. HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M FAYE JAMES AND I JUST LIKE TO QUICKLY COMMENT ON WHAT MISS SOLOMON HAD TO SAY, THAT IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AND I AM ALSO ON THE EAST. STUART HISTORICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE EAST. STUART. OUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, RECOGNIZING PRESERVATION IN OUR COMMUNITY, SHARING THIS INFORMATION WITH OUR COMMUNITY, AND THAT BOARD HAS BEEN WORKING DUE DILIGENCE FOR A FEW YEARS NOW AND TOTAL MAYBE ALMOST NINE YEARS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS ANY ONE PARTICULARLY, BUT IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAS TAKEN IT UPON HIMSELF TO BRING ABOUT THE $500,000 THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ALLOCATED AND USED FOR THE PART TO RUSH THE. WELL, WHAT I HEARD THE NEW NAME IS BOSS COLLINS SKATE PARK. SO I FIND THAT THAT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY. IT IS IN THE PLAN. IT IS IN THE PLAN FOR THE FIVE PHASES. IT'S NOT TO HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY. DAY ONE. I BELIEVE THAT THERE HAS BEEN. THIS IS A PART OF CIVILITY THAT I FIND VERY DISTURBING. THAT YOU ALL SAY YOU GO BY HERE AT THE CITY, THAT YOU RECOGNIZE AND TREAT EVERYONE POLITELY. AND WE WERE NEVER INFORMED. EVEN THE EAST STUART HISTORICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND WE THIS PANEL THAT SITS THERE. SHE NEVER SAID ONE WORD THAT THIS HAS COME UP AND THAT YOU ALL VOTED ON THIS ON OCTOBER 14TH TO RUSH THE SKATE PARK AND TO DO NOTHING ELSE OVER TO THIS SKATE PARK, THAT THIS IS MAJOR PRIORITY FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. ATTORNEY GORDON. SO I GUESS THAT'S HIS NAME CAME BEFORE YOU ALL. I WAS HERE AT THAT MEETING A YEAR AGO PRIVATELY WANTED TO FUND THAT PART. SAID THEY WOULD RAISE THE MONEY TO DO SO. I UNDERSTAND HE CAME BACK RECENTL, SAID THAT FAILED, AND NOW HE'S WANTING US TO RUSH. AND ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAS DECIDED TO SAY, GO AHEAD, LET'S DO THAT.LET'S TAKE THAT MONEY. THAT'S IMPORTANT. WE SHOULD BE HERITAGE MUSEUM AND LEARNING CENTER TO THE EAST. STEWART COMMUNITY, USING THE STEWART RECREATION PARK AND OUR MONIES THAT HAS BEEN SET ASIDE FOR THAT. AND I ASK YOU TO POSTPONE YOUR DECISION THAT YOU'VE MADE ALREADY ON THIS RUSH FOR THE SKATE PARK. THAT'S ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE PLAN. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU MA'AM. KAREN HALL. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I WANT TO TALK. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT NAMES, BUT TO THE LAST MEETING. ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS WAS TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AS WELL. MARTIN COUNTY, IF YOU EMAIL SOMETHING TO THEM, TO THE COMMISSIONERS OR SARAH WOODS OR KAREN. CHRIS, I GUESS SHE'S GON.
BUT YOU COULD. THAT AREN'T WE DOING THAT? I WAS TOLD WE WERE CUT BACK FROM 5 TO 3 MINUTES, AND IT WAS BECAUSE MARTIN COUNTY DID IT AND THEY PUT PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST. THANK YOU. AND SO WHY CAN'T WE DO THA? I WOULD. I THINK IT WOULD HAVE CHANGED THINGS IN MY OWN SITUATION IF I, IF PEOPLE COULD SEE THE EMAILS BETWEEN ME AND THE CITY ATTORNEY. WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? CAN SOMEONE LOOK INTO THAT? I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT EXPENSIVE. AND I THINK AS THE PUBLIC, SINCE WE'RE PAYING FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE DESERVE, THAT. I WANT TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE WROTE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, TO MR. MORTON, CITY MANAGER, AND ALL MY COMMISSIONERS. WHAT ARE YOUR, YOU KNOW, DON'T GET UP THERE AND SAY, I GOT 200 EMAILS. I THINK WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS.
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I WANT TO SEE OUR WE DESERVE TO SEE WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING, WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO. AND AND IF IT COSTS SOMETHING, WE'LL PAY FOR IT. YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW ALL IDEAS WHAT TO DO WITH OUR MONEY. WELL, THAT'S ONE THING YOU CAN DO IS LET US SEE EMAILS. I WANT TO SEE WHEN THIS WOMAN EMAILS THE WHOMEVER UP THERE, AND I WANT TO SEE THE RESPONSE. AND NOT BECAUSE I HAVE TOO MUCH PEOPLE NOT GETTING BACK TO ME. AND I'M SURE TO OTHERS. AND I APPRECIATE OUR MAYOR AS A CHAMPION OF DOWNTOWN, BUT I THINK SOMETIMES YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS GET UP THERE FOR SO LONG, YOU DON'T REALIZE THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. THEY ARE POOR, THEY ARE STRUGGLING, STRUGGLE TO MAKE THEIR RENT, THEIR MORTGAGE, FEED THEIR KIDS. THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE HERE. THEY CARE, BUT THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT. DOWNTOWN IS NOT EVERYTHING OKAY, SO THANKS FOR THAT. BUT MAN, I WANT YOU GUYS TO GO TO PLACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE POOR AND COMMISSION. BUT I AM TELLING YOU, YOU'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON. DOWNTOWN'S THIS MUCH, YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE THIS MUCH, AND THEY NEED TO BE ATTENDED TO. AND YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE. I JUST, YOU KNOW, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE CAN DO IT. WE GOTTA JUST KEEP QUIT THINKING ABOUT THE CLUB.EVERYBODY IN THE CLUB, DOWNTOWN. THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT NEED GOOD DECISIONS FROM YOU. GO VISIT THEM. GO TO SHEPHERDS PARK. TALK TO A HOMELESS PERSON. GO SOMEWHERE AND TALK TO SOMEBODY THAT IS NOT AS ENTITLED. NOT ENTITLED AS PRIVILEGED AS YOU ARE. YOU'RE PRIVILEGED. SO ANYWAY, LOVE YOU. THANK YOU. FRANK MCCRYSTAL. I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE COMMISSION, ESPECIALLY THE COMMISSION MAJORITY, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP DURING THE LAST. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN IN OFFICE, BUT ONE OF YOU FOR TWO YEARS. AND THE TWO OF YOU HOPE SHE'S LISTENING SOMEWHERE. THANK YOU. AND I TOLD YOU LAST TIME I HAD PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT YOU'RE THE FIRST COMMISSION AT ANY LEVEL THAT WENT OUT. AND WITH YOUR HARD WORK, GOT YOURSELF ELECTED. NOT WITH THE BIG CABAL MONEY. YOU WENT UP AGAINST THE MONEY AND YOU DID THE HARD WORK TO GET YOURSELVES ELECTED. AND THEN. AND I REALIZE JUST THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT AND MEETING ALL THE PEOPLE TEMPERATURE OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS HAS MADE YOU WHO YOU ARE. AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED. AGAIN, BY KNOWING WHO CAN COME TO THESE MEETINGS AS THEY'RE GETTING READY FOR WORK TOMORROW AND THEY'RE DEAD BEAT. OKAY, SO AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE PERFECT, BUT THANK YOU FOR PROBABLY BEING THE FIRST COMMISSION FOR A LONG, LONG, LONG TIME IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY THAT ISN'T OWNED BY ANYBODY EXCEPT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT GOT YOU ELECTED ON A, ON A YELLOW, MORE YELLOW NOTE. I WOULD LIKE TO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE AS A CITY, MAKE SURE THE COUNTY KNOWS THAT WE SUPPORT THEIR IDEA YOU DON'T. YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT I DO WITH MY HAND OUT THE WINDOW WHENEVER I'M SITTING AND WATCHING THOSE GUYS GO BY.
YEAH, I'M THE CRAZY GUY THAT DOES THAT. YEAH. BUT MAYBE A LETTER OF SUPPORT SAYING, YEAH, THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA FOR THE TRAIN STATION TO BE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THAT. AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MIRROR MR. NOBLE'S COMMENTS AT THE OTHER MEETING. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE MONEY. I IT'S HARD TO TELL SO FAR. I KNOW YOU'RE NEGOTIATING WITH BRIGHTLINE STILL, BUT HOWEVER MUCH MONEY YOU'RE SAVING US, IT'S A BOATLOAD. AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. DO YOU WANT PRICE? HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON. DUET
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PRICE 2574. WIN. STEWART A MISSION. I WILL TELL YOU, IN ALL MY YEARS OF DOING THIS, OVER 2030 SOMETHING YEARS. YEAH, THIS IS DEFINITELY THE FIRST COMMISSION THAT'S GOING TO MAKE SOME SERIOUS HISTORY. AND I'M GOING TO WATCH IT AND LIKE IT. RIGHT. I SEE A LOT OF PERSONAL VENDETTAS. I SEE. I'M HAPPY TO SEE THE FOLKS ON E! STEWART COME OUT HERE AND ACTUALLY PUT THEIR VOICE FORWARD ABOUT THE SKATE PARK THAT BEING SERVED, NOT THEIR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I'M SURE ANY OF YOU GUYS GO OUT THERE, POLICE DON'T SHOW UP AND LOCK HIM DOWN, BUT THAT'S JUST MY EXPERIENCE OVER TIME OF WATCHING THIS HAPPEN IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES WHERE THINGS ARE PUSHED THROUGH BY FOLKS WITH A PERSONAL AGENDA. NOW DOES IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE ABOUT. I HOPE I KEEP HEARING THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO RUSH THIS THING AND PUSH THIS THING, AND HAVE THESE DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND WHATEVER. AND THE CONCLUSION OF THE COMMUNITY.I'VE SEEN ONE, TWO, A INVOLVEMENT OR DISCUSSION ARE SITTING AROUND TO SEE WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH THIS ZONING CODE. IF YOU GUYS REALLY FEEL THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO AND PICK ON YOUR NEIGHBOR HERE OR THERE OR POT, YOU KNOW, SPOT ZONE AND POT, PICK WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND CHANGE AND HOPE THAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WITH LESS RUSH ISSUING 45 DAYS, WE'RE DONE.
YOU'RE TALKING ONE 8280, MAYBE A YEAR. AND WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE HERE FIGHTING. AND THERE MAY BE A FEW LAWSUITS INVOLVED IN THAT RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU'RE SITTING HERE THINKING, OH, I'M GOING TO MAKE THESE VAST CHANGES. AND BECAUSE WE HAVE SAT HERE AND WE CAN COME AND MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN. AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEY HAVE R2 AND R3 THAT ALLOWS UP TO 5000 SQUARE FOOT SIZE HOMES. THAT'S STILL SMALL. THAT'S A DECENT SIZED LOT, RIGHT? YOU CAN DO SOME SERIOUS NICE HOMES ON THERE, BUT I CALL MISSING MIDDLE THAT CAN HAPPEN. BUT NOW THEY WANT TO INCREASE IT TO 6000 BECAUSE SOMEBODY ACROSS THE STREET MIGHT BETTER OR VICE VERSA. WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THOSE ZONING WITH THOSE LOTS THAT ARE 5000FTā !S IN AN R2 OR R3? THERE'S A LOT OF THEM. I GO AND I LOOK ON THAT MAP AND I ACTUALLY CAN PICK OUT ABOUT 20 AROUND WHERE THESE PARTICULAR PEOPLE LIVE THAT ARE IN THAT ZONING THAT WILL NOW BE IMPACTED. THAT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET THEIR THINGS INSURED AND OR BE ABLE TO REBUILD IF SOMETHING EVER HAPPENED, LIKE A TORNADO COME THROUGH. WHY? BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANT TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO IMPROVE AND MAKE IT BETTER FOR THEIR LITTLE HOUSE THAT THEY BOUGHT AND WENT THERE AND SAW AND CAME AND GOT. WHEN YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT THIS ZIP. I'M GONNA TELL YOU, YOU CAN SAY YOU WANT TO RUSH IT THROUGH. YOU CAN SAY YOU WANT TO SLOW IT DOWN, BUT YOU BETTER REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT THE REAL IMPACTS ARE. THE ATTORNEY CAN SIT THERE AND SAY, OH, CERTAIN THINGS, BUT YOU BETTER BE VERY CAREFUL OF HOW YOU'RE PROCEEDING WITH IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ALBERT BRINKLEY. I'D SAY GOOD EVENING TO YOU ALL. YOU HEAR THIS COMMENT ABOUT THE SKATE PARK AND BEING ON THE EAST? STUART HISTORICAL BOARD AND THE BOARD DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. THAT IS REALLY DISGUSTING. IT'S LIKE WE'RE BEING USED, AND I DON'T LIKE TO BE USED BY NOBODY. THAT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO THE BOARD. THAT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO YOU, STUART. BECAUSE WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP, THE PEOPLE OF EAST STUART SAID WE DID NOT WANT NO SKATE PARK BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BENEFIT OUR KIDS. I WENT AROUND TALKING TO KIDS. NOBODY, NOBODY IN EASTWOOD WAS INTERESTED IN A SKATE PARK. IT'S REALLY UPSETTING THAT WE SITTING ON THIS BOARD. NOBODY SAID THAT ONE THING. NOT ONE THING TO US ABOUT THIS. SO I LOOK AT US AS BEING USED. YOU ALL ARE DISRESPECTING THE COMMUNITY. IT'S LIKE WE DON'T EVEN EXIST IN THE CITY OF STUART. WE'RE A PART OF STUART. WE'RE TIRED OF BEING OVERLOOKED. THIS SHOULD HAVE NEVER GONE BY THE EAST. STUART HISTORICAL BOARD. IT'S JUST LIKE YOU ALL ARE JUST DOING WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WHEN IT COMES TO EASTWOOD. WE ARE SOMEBODY. WE WANT SOMETHING. WE WANT CHANGE, BUT WE WON'T. WE DON'T WANT NO CHANGE. THAT IS NOT GOING TO BENEFIT EAST STUAR. WE WANT CHANGE THAT IS GOING TO
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BENEFIT. GOING TO HELP OUR KIDS. SKATE PARK IS NOT GOING TO HELP OUR KIDS. IT'S NOT GOING TO HEL.YOU ALL NEED TO START LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE OF EASTWOOD AND STOP DOING WHAT YOU ALL WANT TO DO. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON IN GOVERNMENT TODAY. GOVERNMENT IS JUST SITTING BACK DOING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. THAT IS SELFISH. GOD DON'T LIKE SELFISH PEOPLE. GOD DON'T LIKE SELFISH PEOPLE. HE WANT YOU TO PUT OTHERS BEFORE SELF. AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON TOO LONG AND IT'S TIME TO CHANGE. THINK ABOUT THAT FORM BASED CODE THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER EXISTED. I SITTING HERE THAT DAY WHEN THAT SUBJECT CAME UP AND THE SUBJECT WAS COMBINING THE CREEK DISTRICT AND EAST STUART TOGETHER, AND PETE WATSON STOOD UP THERE AND HE SAID, YOU ALL NEED TO REALIZE WHAT EASTWOOD IS. EASTWOOD IS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. AND I CAME RIGHT BEHIND HIM AND SAID THE SAME THING. AND YOU STILL IMPLEMENT THE FORM BASED CODE, WHICH IF THAT IS, IS WHAT IS GOING TO DO TO A COMMUNITY LIKE THAT, PUSH THE PEOPLE RIGHT OUT. GOD IS NOT PLEASED WITH SELFISHNESS. Y'ALL BETTER CHANGE. YOU BETTER CHANGE. JUST LIKE THAT GUTTER PLACE DOWN THERE. WE GOT TO DEAL WITH THAT NOISE EVERY MORNING. THAT GUTTER COMPANY SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN PUT IN EAST. IT WOULDN'T BE PUT IN THE WHITE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WOULDN'T BE IN A WHITE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT GUTTER COMPANY IS DISRESPECTFUL TO THE EASTWOOD COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, MR. BRINKLEY. BETTY BRINKLEY. THERE'S THE GUTTER COMPANY. WHEN I SAY. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, BETTY BRINKLEY, 945 SOUTH EAST NASSAU AVENUE. AND I'M HERE. TO SAY WE HERE, WE OWN THE HISTORIC ADVISORY BOARD. WE SIT UP THERE, YOU GET US UP THERE, AND WE'RE UP THERE WORKING, TRYING TO GET THE HISTORY AND ALL THIS TOGETHER. THEN WE JUST DISREGARD IT AS HUMAN BEING. IT'S BECAUSE OF HOW WE LOOK. THE MAKEUP OF IT. I WANT TO KNOW IF IT AIN'T BECAUSE OF THE MAKEUP WILL BE COMING FROM OR SOMETHING. YOU DISREGARD US. DISRESPECT US LIKE THAT. I BLEED, I HURT, I FEEL JUST LIKE YOU ALL UP THERE. FEEL THAT MAKING ME. SINCE I WORK AND I OWN A HOME, I'M BUYING A HOME.
I WANT SOMETHING AND WE TRYING TO HAVE SOMETHING. AND HERE YOU COME AND SNATCH IT FROM ME.
BECAUSE MY MAKEUP OR SOMETHING, WHEN I LOOK. WHY? WHY IT DON'T. IT DON'T MAKE SENSE. IT'S TOO.
IT'S TOO LATE IN THE EVENING FOR FOOLISHNESS. HEY, YOU KNOW TOO MUCH HATE IN AMERICA. WE NEED TO GO BACK TO GOD. READ THE BIBLE AND SEE WHAT GOD TELLING US TO DO. HE SAY, LOVE YOUR ENEMY.
YES. AS WELL AS YOUR NEIGHBOR AND STUFF. YOU LOVE YOUR ENEMY? I'M NOT. I DON'T LOOK LIKE MOST OF YOU UP THERE, BUT I NEVER DID NOTHING TO NONE OF ONE OF YOU. BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT ME SOME OF YOU CAN LOOK AT ME AND SAY, THEY DON'T DESERVE THIS, OR THEY AIN'T BECAUSE THEY MAKE UP OR THEY DID OR WHATEVER WHERE THEY LIVE. THEY AIN'T. THEY AIN'T RICH. THEY POOR. AND THAT SHOULD BE NOT IN AMERICA, THE GREAT NATION WE ARE AND WE GOT THIS KIND OF STUFF STILL GOING ON.
PLEASE. WHY THAT? ENOUGH THAT AND WHAT I WANT TO SAY. WHAT THE CITY. AND HE STOOD. OUR WATER BILL IS SO HIGH. AND I WONDER WHY IN EAST STUART YOU PAYING ALL THIS? AND I'M PAYING NEARLY $200 AND I DON'T HAVE NO THAT MANY PEOPLE IN MY HOUSE. $150, $180 A MONTH FOR WATER BILL. I'M PAYING SOMEBODY ELSE WATER BILL. THAT'S WHAT IT SEEM LIKE TO ME, IT SEEMS. AND NOW THE BASEBALL PARK. BUT YOU DON'T REALIZE I WAS A CHILD AND I PLAYED SOFTBALL ON THAT BASEBALL FIELD.
I'M 75 YEARS OLD NOW, AND THAT THING BEEN OUT THERE. THAT'S HISTORY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU MAKE UP, YOU GOT ALL THIS MONEY, YOU MAKE UP A EXCUSE. IT COST TOO MUCH, BUT YOU GOT SO MUCH MONEY. SO WHAT IT IS TO PAY SOMEBODY TO KEEP THE FIELD UP, KEEP THE HISTORY GOING. THE KIDS STILL PLAYING OUT THERE? I PASS BY AND SEE THEM OUT THERE, PRACTICE. Y'ALL COME ON. THANK YOU. Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY. THANK YOU, MISS BRINKLEY. HELEN MCBRIDE. MISS MCBRIDE. STANDS
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ARE ALL STILL THERE. HELEN MCBRIDE FROM FLAMINGO AVENUE. 51 YEARS AGO, WHEN I MOVED HERE, I REGISTERED MY CHILDREN FOR SCHOOL. I WAS TOLD BY MR. COOK THAT JOHN WOULD BE ATTENDING A SCHOOL OVER IN EAST STEWART. AND I HAD NO IDEA WHERE IT WAS. BUT I WENT OVER, AND I'LL ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT DAY I RODE DOWN 10TH STREET AND THE OLD 10TH STREET REC CENTER UP OVER. IT WAS A WOOD SIGN PAINTING WITH WHITE PAINT. SOUL CENTER. SO THAT'S HOW FAR BACK I GO. ALSO 1973, WHEN I CAME HERE, MY CHILDREN WENT TO J.D. PARKER WITH EVERYBODY ELSE'S CHILDREN BUT THE BLACK KIDS WENT TO THE 10TH STREET REC CENTER. BUT MY KIDS HAD TO GO TO THE FLAGLER CENTER. SO THAT WAS ONLY 51 YEARS AGO. SO I KNOW WHERE MY NEIGHBORS ARE COMING FROM. AND THAT BECAUSE I ALWAYS KEEP IT. DOCTOR. MR. GORE, I'M IN EAST EUROPE AND I'M ON THE WEST SIDE OF PALM BEACH ROAD, AND HE'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF PALM BEACH ROA. BUT THEY'RE RIGHT. I CAME, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS HERE AT THE MEETINGS. I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I CAME TO THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE SKATEBOARD. AND I'M THINKING, I GO TO ALL THESE MEETINGS AT 10TH STREET. AND MRS. PAY HAS BEEN VERY NICE AND INVITED ME TO COME TO HER GROUP'S MEETINGS HERE IN CITY HALL. SKATEBOARD PARK. A BOARD THAT SHOULD BE DOWN THE LINE. WHAT WE WANT OR LIKE. NOW WHEN MY KIDS COME UP FROM MIAMI, MY GRANDSONS, I SEND THEM OVER. I WENT OUT AND BOUGHT WELL, I BOUGHT TWO BASKETBALLS. NOW I BOUGHT THE BASKETBALLS. SO. AND JONATHAN SAID, WHERE ARE THEY GOING? I SAID, 10TH STREET. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THE BASKETBALL COURTS ARE. AND THEY ONE TIME IT WAS A SOCCER BALL AND THEY WENT OVER TO PLAY SOCCER. THAT'S MY PARK BY MY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I THINK YOU I DON'T THINK KNOWING YOU ALL MEAN TO DO THIS, BUT YOU GOT THESE GROUPS LIKE YOU HAD THE GROUP HERE FOR THE SKATEBOARD, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT MY NEIGHBORS.WELL, BUT SOME ARE. BUT WE'RE. EASTER WAS FOUNDED IN 1913, AND THEY WERE FORCED. I'M GOING TO USE THE WORD FORCED TO BUILD THOSE LITTLE HOMES ON THOSE LITTLE LOTS, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THEY COULD BUILD A HOUSE. BUT PLEASE, I KNOW YOU. YOU'VE GOT A BIG HEART AND THINK, BUT LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. YOU GOT A GREAT COMMUNITY HERE. AND I DON'T BLAME YOU FOR BEING MAD. THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING. I THINK I'M WHITE. MRS. BRINKLEY. SOMEONE TO SAY, HEY, IT WAS. THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS IN 73. THIS IS 20, 25. THESE ARE WONDERFUL KIDS WE HAVE, AND I. I'M A SENIOR CITIZEN OF THE 10TH STREET REC CENTER. I WATCHED THOSE CHILDREN GROW. I'VE BEEN THERE. WE'RE THERE NOW FOR EIGHT YEARS. THEY'RE WONDERFUL KIDS. PLEASE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS MCBRIDE, I HAVE NONE. ALL DONE. OKAY. CONSENT CALENDAR. DO WE
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HAVE A MOTION WITH REGARD TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR? MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEMS. NUMBER ONE AND TWO ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. BECAUSE NOTHING WAS PULLED, AND I. UNLESS YOU. WE'LL HAVE THEM SEPARATELY BECAUSE THEY ARE. IF NOTHING IS PULLED, THE CONSENT CALENDAR WILL BE THE CONSENT CALENDAR. COMMISSIONER READ. DO YOU HAVE. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I'LL ADDRESS THEM. I MEAN, I CAN ADDRESS IF I CAN ADDRESS THE PUBLIC. CAN I NEED A SECOND BEFORE THAT? NO. I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE WELCOME TO GIVE EACH OTHER COMMENTS OR WHATEVER YOU WANTED TO DO. MAYOR RICH, MAY I SECOND? WELL, YOU SORT OF MADE YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER. WE GENERALLY DON'T ENGAGE ALLOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO DISTRACT OUR DISCUSSION OR THAT'S FINE. SO IF IT'S A NO, JUST LET ME KNOW. YEAH, IT IS A NO THANK YOU. THAT'S THE EASIEST THING YOU'RE FREE TO CALL YOU.YES. YOU'RE FREE TO CALL ANY MEMBER WHO SPEAKS AND SPEAK TO THEM INDIVIDUALLY. THANK YOU.
THAT'S A BETTER WAY TO PROCEED. COMMISSIONER. READ MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
SECOND, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER READ. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR? SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER, READ. YES, COMMISSIONER. COLLINS. YES, MAYOR. RICH. YES. AND COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES.
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COMMISSION. ACTION. SEEING. NONE. WOW. THERE'S WELL, THERE'S A DISCUSSION. DELIBERATION.YEAH. WE'RE WE'RE NOW AT A D AND D DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION ON THE COMMISSIONER. CODE OF CONDUCT REVIEW. SO AT THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS IN THE PUBLIC AND ALSO
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COMMISSIONER READ HAD READ THE LETTER ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND PROFESSIONALISM. AND PRIOR TO THAT, MYSELF AND, AND SOME OF THE STAFF MEMBERS HAD BEEN ADDRESSING POTENTIALLY BRINGING FORWARD THE CODE OF CONDUCT FOR UPDATING BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS SEVERAL YEARS OLD ALREAD, AND IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2017, WHICH MAKES IT SEVEN YEARS OLD WITHOUT MUCH UPDATING. AND IN IT, THERE'S SOME POLICIES THAT THE CITY POLICY ISN'T EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE POLICY THAT'S WRITTEN IN THE DOCUMENT, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT LAST YEAR, A STATE LAW WAS ADOPTED AS IT RELATED TO ALL EMPLOYEES AND FIRST STATE LAW REQUIRES ALL BOARD MEMBERS, INCLUDING VOLUNTEER BOARDS, TO HAVE EMAILS. AND THEN THE STATE LAW REQUIRES ANYBODY WITH AN EMAIL MUST HAVE TRAINING. AS IT RELATES TO THE HACKING AND THE ACCESS TO THE COMPUTERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BECAUSE OF THE EXPENSE TO THE STATE AND SO IN ORDER FOR US TO MAINTAIN OUR INSURANCE AND TO CONTINUE COMPLYING WITH STATE LAW, WE HAVE TO DO THESE. WE SELECT NO.BECAUSE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH, I THINK, BUT WE NEEDED TO ADD SOME LANGUAGE TO THAT TO ADDRESS THE ALL OF THE PEOPLE WITH EMAILS AND THEN ALS, AS MR. REED POINTED OUT, WE HAVE SEEN IN A VERY SIGNIFICANT UPTICK IN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS. AND IN FACT, I RECEIVED 27 TODAY, 27 SEPARATE. YEAH, BUT SO YOU'RE NOT ALONE. BUT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IN THE SPEAKING OF THE CITY ATTORNEY AS WELL AS THE CLERK, THE COUNTY HAD RECENTLY ADOPTED A PUBLIC RECORDS POLICY AS WELL. AND SO WHAT I WAS, WHAT I FIGURED IS I PUT THE ACTUAL THE ACTUAL CODE OF CONDUCT THAT THE COMMISSION ADOPTED IN 2017 ON THE DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION AGENDA FOR TONIGHT TO KIND OF GET YOUR FEEDBACK, TO SEE IF, IN FACT, YOU WANT STAFF TO BRING IT BACK ON THE NOVEMBER 12TH MEETING WITH A RESOLUTION TO EITHER AMEND IT, ABOLISH IT, REMOVE IT, CHANGE IT, WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO DO, I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE CODES OF CONDUCT, AND THERE ARE ALSO CITIES THAT HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. WHEN THIS ISSUE AROSE, IT WAS BECAUSE THE COMMISSION WAS HAVING DISCUSSIONS AND TECHNICALLY THE CITY COMMISSIONERS DO NOT FALL UNDER THE EMPLOYEE PERSONNEL POLICIES. SO THEY'RE INDEPENDENT. HOWEVER, THEY DO FALL UNDER THE COMMISSION ON ETHICS, AS WELL AS THE SUNSHINE LAWS AND THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAWS THAT ARE STATUTORY IN NATURE. AND THE STATE'S AUTHORITY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS COMMENTING ON LAST WEEK WAS THE FACT THAT THE CODE OF CONDUCT DOESN'T HAVE ANY, QUOTE UNQUOTE, TEETH IN IT, BUT THAT WASN'T AN ACCIDENT. THIS WAS ACTUALLY DRAFTED BY MR. NICOLETTI. BUT THE TRUTH OF IT IS THE STATE SPECIFICALLY GRANTS THE AUTHORITY TO THE GOVERNOR TO AND TO THE ELECTORATE, TO ADDRESS CITY COMMISSIONERS AND IT EVEN IF WE HAD POLICIES IN IT THAT SAID THE CITY COULD COMMISSION, COULD PUNISH EACH OTHER, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BE LEGAL BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE STATE IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE CONTRARY TO STATE STATUTE. I ALSO THINK IT'S A BIT RISKY TO GO DOWN THAT PATH FOR SEVERAL REASONS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS RECOMMENDED WAS THAT THE CITY CREATE A COMMITTEE, AND THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD HEAR THE ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS, AND THEN WOULD RULE ON THOSE COMPLAINTS. I SAID TO THE FOLKS THAT MET WITH ME ABOUT THAT, THIS WAS MANY YEARS AGO. WELL, NUMBER ONE, WHO'S THE COMMITTEE AND HOW IS IT MADE UP? AND NUMBER TWO, THEY'RE NOT ELECTED. AND THEN NUMBER THREE, IF IN FACT, SOMEBODY MADE 52 COMPLAINTS ABOUT ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO CALL 52 MEETINGS FOR THAT COMMITTEE TO GET TOGETHER. AND IF THEY HAD THE 52 MEETINGS FOR THE COMMITTEE TO GET TOGETHER, AND IT WAS UNFOUNDED ALL 52 TIMES. BUT THE FOLLOWING SUMMER, WHEN THE ELECTION TIME CAME AND THE POSTCARDS CAME OUT, IT WOULD SAY, DON'T VOTE FOR COMMISSIONER X BECAUSE HE OR SHE WAS SUBJECT TO 52 ETHICS HEARINGS LAST YEAR, AND IT WOULD BE MISLEADING BECAUSE OF COURSE,
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THEY WOULD BE JUST PERSONAL ATTACKS TRYING TO GET EVEN. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS WHAT AMOUNTS TO SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE FOR A VIOLATION. WOULD IT BE IF SOMEBODY ACCIDENTALLY CUTS YOU OFF IN TRAFFIC? IS THAT ENOUGH? IS IT SOMEBODY IGNORED THE GROCERY STORE? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT LEVEL DOES IT AMOUNT TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE IT TO THE COMMITTEE? AND I KNOW FOR SURE THAT STAFF DOES NOT WANT TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS NO MATTER WHAT. SO WHAT I THOUGHT I'D DO IS PUT IT ON THE D AND D FOR TONIGHT AND JUST PROVIDE YOU GUYS A COPY OF THE OF THE CURRENT EDITION. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, WE CAN MAKE SOME DRAFT EDITS AND BRING IT BACK. IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED AND FEEL LIKE IT'S SERVED ITS PURPOSE AND IT'S RUN ITS COURSE BECAUSE IT WAS ADOPTED SEVEN YEARS AGO, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S EVER BEEN A TIME THAT IT'S BEEN UTILIZED FOR ANY PURPOSE, THAT DURING THE MEETINGS, IT CAN ALSO EXPIRE. BUT IN THE EVENT THAT THE CODE OF CONDUCT IS GOING TO EXPIRE, WE STILL WANT TO COME FORWARD ON A PUBLIC RECORDS POLICY, NOT SO MUCH THAT IT WOULD BE THE IDENTIFIED SPECIFICALLY JUST TO THE CITY COMMISSION, AS MUCH AS IT'S GOING TO BE TO THE ENTIRE CITY AND STAFF. SO THAT WOULD BE COMING FORWARD ANYWAY, AS WOULD THE POLICY AS IT RELATES TO THE EMAILING OR THE SERVERS. COMMISSIONER COLLINS, SO I AGREE WITH YOU ENTIRELY ON WHAT YOU JUST PUT OUT THERE IN TERMS OF HAVING THIS EXPIRE YET HAVING A PUBLIC RECORDS. HOW DID YOU REFER TO IT? POLICY. POLICY? YEAH, I THINK THAT COVERS THIS BETTER. A CODE OF CONDUCT. I KNOW AT THE TIME WHEN THIS HAPPENED, I'LL SPEAK FREELY ABOUT HIM BECAUSE HE DOES ABOUT ME. MR. CAMPINI WAS BEHAVING QUITE POORLY, AND I KNOW THAT THIS WAS SORT OF THE PRODUCT OF THAT IN PART. BUT I THINK WE'RE PAST THAT NOW. I HOPE WE'RE PAST THAT NOW. AND I THINK WE COULD EASILY BE ABLE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR COMMISSIONERS, WITH STAFF. IF THERE'S AN ISSUE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT POINT. IT SERVED ITS PURPOSE AT THE TIME, AND TRULY, THERE'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY A FEW MECHANISMS BY WHICH YOU REPRIMAND YOUR COMMISSION AS THEY'RE ELECTED. THE GOVERNOR REMOVES YOU, RIGHT. YOU CAN HAVE A RECALL OR PEOPLE GET TIRED OF YOU AND THEY VOTE YOU OUT, YOU KNOW. SO THIS SORT OF TOOTHLESS THING, I DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO TRY TO EXPAND THIS AND ADD MORE TO THIS CODE WHEN IT REALLY CODE OF CONDUCT, WHEN IT REALLY DOESN'T DO ANYTHING ANYWAY. IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE SIGNED WHEN WE COME IN AND WE REALLY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO. YOU COULD SAY NO. AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, NOBODY CAN TELL YOU OTHERWISE. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT EXPIRE BECAUSE IT EXPIRED. YEAH. THERE'S THIS HAS NO PURPOSE. OTHER THAN. GENERALLY PUTTING OUT. MEAN, DO YOU DISAGREE? YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS A WITH NO TEETH? I MEAN, THERE'S NO NOTHING THAT CAN HAPPEN IF WE DISREGARD ALL THESE RULES. YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T. WE SHOULD RESPECT EACH OTHER. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S NO PENALTY FOR BREACHING THE CODE OF CONDUCT. ANYWAY, WE JUST SIGN IT WHEN WE COME IN, AND THEN IT JUST SORT OF SITS THERE.COMMISSIONER REED, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THIS? THE ONLY THING I SEE IS IF ANYTHING NEEDS UPDATED IN THIS CODE OF CONDUCT, I JUST QUICKLY GLANCE THROUGH IT AND IT TALKS ABOUT FIVE MINUTES FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. I THINK A LOT OF ISSUES AND THIS IS NOT OBVIOUSLY NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK. I THINK YOU DO A GREAT JOB, MAYOR RICH WITH HOLDING MEETINGS PROFESSIONALLY, BUT I THINK A LOT OF IT COULD BE REITERATED FROM YOU TOWARDS FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS KEEPING THEM IN LINE WHEN YOU ARE THE CHAIR, YOU'RE IN CHARGE OF THE MEETINGS. SO I THINK IF SOMEONE'S GETTING OUT OF LINE AND MAYBE BEING INAPPROPRIATE OR CROSSING THE LINE, I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN REITERATE THEM TO REMAIN PROFESSIONAL TOWARDS THEIR FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, POTENTIALLY JUST SOME ADVICE. LIKE I SAID, I THINK YOU DO A GREAT JOB WITH GETTING THROWN INTO THE MIX, BEING THE CHAIR, BY THE WAY. BUT IN MY OPINION, JUST BEING A LITTLE MORE FORTHCOMING TOWARDS THE FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS OR JUST REITERATING WHAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS EVEN ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK, I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC, SO I WILL CALL SOME OF THEM IF I HAVE THEIR CELL NUMBERS. I DO HAVE YOURS, ALBERT. I WILL REACH OUT TO YOU ON THOSE AGENDA ITEMS. JUST LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT. NOT ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION, BUT
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YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. OH YEAH. THANKS. I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP FROM WHERE MR. COLLINS WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS. NOT HAVING ANY IMPACT, SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE CHARTER AND THE CHARTER DOESN'T REQUIRE IT. BUT I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE SOME GUIDELINES AND THAT WE KNOW THAT THE GUIDELINES ARE THERE AND THAT WE SIGN THEM. SO I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, AND I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THIS PAGE 95 THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, MR. READ. BUT MR. BAGGETT, DO OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE THE CODE OF CONDUCT OR ANY CODE OF CONDUCT IN THEIR CHARTER OR GUIDELINES OR EVEN OUR PERSONNEL DIRECTOR, MISS JOHNSON IS HERE. I KNOW THAT SHE DEALS WITH STAFF PERSONNEL, NOT WITH THE CITY COMMISSION. WE'RE ELECTED OFFICIALS, BUT YOU GUYS KNOW OTHER COMMUNITIES AND YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. I'VE I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON IT. I KNOW THE CLERK FOUND A RESOLUTION IN 2020 ADOPTING A CODE OF CONDUCT IN KISSIMMEE. I KNOW THAT THE CITY OF PORT SAINT LUCIE DIDN'T HAVE A CODE OF CONDUCT, BUT IT WAS A IT WAS AN ANNUAL DOCUMENT THAT MICHEL BERGER REFERENCED WHEN SHE WAS HERE, THAT THEY ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION AS WELL. THAT WAS SUBJECT TO UPDATING ET CETERA. BUT THERE WAS NOT AN ORDINANCE OR A CHARTER DOCUMENT THAT WAS ADOPTED THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH ANYWHERE. YEAH. SO I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT. BUT I THINK THAT WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE, WE CONTINUE WITH THIS. WE DO ASK THE CITIZENS TO LISTEN TO THE CIVILITY. WE PUT THE CIVILITY ON OUR THING. AND IT'S ONLY PROPER THAT WE HAVE CIVILITY TOWARDS EACH OTHER AMONG THE BOARD, AS WELL AS WHEN WE COMMUNICATE WITH OUR THOSE WHO COME IN FRONT OF US, WHETHER THEY'RE APPLICANTS OR WHETHER THEY'RE JUST CITIZENS HAVING SOME CONCERN, WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROFESSIONAL AND THAT WE'RE OBEYING THAT. SO I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT AND SOME OF THESE ARE VERY, VERY COMMON SENSE, BUT IT NEEDS TO WE NEED TO FOLLOW IT. SO FOLLOWING WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ON PAGE 95, AND I HEAR MISS HALL HAS MENTIONED THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF WHEN WE HAD CHANGED THE 5 MINUTE TO 3 MINUTE, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE NOTES IN HERE THAT SAYS FIVE MINUTES, AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT. OKAY. CLERK. YE, ACTUALLY THAT WAS VOTED ON AND CHANGED JUST REALIZED THAT IT'S STILL IN THE CODE OF CONDUCT AND IT'S STILL IN THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGED. IT'S THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO UPDATE. YEAH. IT'S STILL IN THERE AT FIVE MINUTES. BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE MAYOR CAN CHANGE IT. YEAH. RIGHT. AND THEN THAT BRINGS ME TO ANOTHER POINT THAT NOWHERE IN THE CODE OF CONDUCT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN RULES, ARE UNIVERSAL, WHERE WE ARE CONDUCTING A MEETING. AND THAT MEETING IS CONDUCTED UNDER ROBERT'S RULES. AND MAYBE WE DO HAVE IT IN THE CHARTER. MR. CITY MANAGER OR CITY ATTORNEY? I'M NOT SURE, BUT I KNOW THAT SINCE WE'VE HAD MAYOR RICH ACTING AS MAYOR, I THINK IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MEETING FLOWS, HE'S HAD TO IMPLEMENT AND REFERENCE SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS AND SECTIONS OF THE ROBERT'S RULES. AND SO I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR AS TO MEETINGS, HOW MEETINGS ARE CONDUCTED. I THINK THAT THERE'S A VERY GENERAL STATEMENT IN THE CHARTER ABOUT CALLING A MEETING TO ORDER, HAVING A QUORUM AND ALL THIS STUFF. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TRAINING MIGHT HELP. WE'VE HAD A MEETING, A MEETING OR TWO WHERE I'VE SEEN SOME VERY HORRID BEHAVIOR, AND I JUST THOUGHT THAT IT WAS REALLY STRANGE, ACTUALLY. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SPEAK, WE'RE SPEAKING HOPEFULLY TO COME TO A CONSENSUS. AND IF WE DON'T AGREE, THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE A VOTE, AND THE VOTE WILL TELL WHAT IT IS. BUT WE I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD, AS MEMBERS, TRY TO PUT OUR PERSONAL OPINION AND SAY THAT IT'S A CITY COMMISSION. THE CITY DOESN'T WANT MULTIFAMILY OR THE CITY DOESN'T WANT RAILROAD TRACKS OR WHATEVER IT IS. WE'RE IN DISCUSSION, BUT SAYING THAT THE CITY DOESN'T WANT SOMETHING WHEN WE HAVE NOT MADE A DECISION TOGETHER AS A BODY. TO ME, SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE I DON'T I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S CROSSING THE LINE, BUT IT'S THAT TYPE OF EXPRESSION IS NOT POSITIVE FOR[01:20:01]
US. SO I THINK HAVING GUIDELINES ARE GOOD. I DON'T WANT THIS TO EXPIRE. I WANT US TO UPDATE IT AND KEEP IT AND USE IT AS A WAY TO GUIDE OURSELVES. AND THERE'S NEVER ANYTHING WRONG WITH HAVING GUIDANCE. IT HAS THINGS HERE ABOUT TRAVEL, THE PHONE, EMAIL, HOW TO DEAL WITH STAFF MEMBERS, HOW TO DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC. I HAVE HEARD FROM FOLKS THAT THEY ARE VERY DEMORALIZED. WHETHER THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A BUSINESS HERE, WHETHER THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WORK AT THE CITY OF STUART, WHETHER THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO COME IN FRONT OF US AND THROWING AROUND. THE WORD TRANSPARENCY IS JUST NOT ENOUGH. PEOPLE REALLY WANT COMMUNICATION. AND I TELL PEOPLE MY DOOR IS OPEN, I'M AVAILABLE. CALL ME, COME SIT WITH ME. I'M THERE AND I'M SURE THAT ALL OF US ARE SAYING THAT AS COMMISSIONERS. BUT I THINK THAT WE REALLY, REALLY NEED TO KNOW THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT CONFIDENCE IN US. AND WHEN OUR STAFF AND WHEN MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, AND WHEN PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEKING TO LIVE IN STUART OR WORK IN STUART OR BUY PROPERTY IN STUART, AND THEY NOTICE ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, IT GIVES US A BAD NAME AND STARTS A BAD REPUTATION. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER OUR WAYS, GOVERN OURSELVES ACCORDINGLY, AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY CIVIL TO EACH OTHER. WHAT WE EXPECT FROM SOMEBODY ELSE TOWARDS US. WE NEED TO GIVE IT TOWARDS THEM. ALSO. THAT'S IT.SO I MIKE, WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS, RIGHT? IT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION. I WAS YEAH, I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR SOME COMMENTS FROM THE STAFF. I CAN FROM THE BOARD. I, I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS. MR. CITY MANAGER I WAS TRYING TO FOLLOW ALONG THERE WITH YOU. COMMISSIONER CLARK, I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY BENEFIT US AS COMMISSIONERS AND ALSO LOOKING OUT FOR THE STAFF. REMEMBER, AS COMMISSIONERS, WE ONLY HAVE TWO DIRECT EMPLOYEES, THAT IS THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY MANAGER. THINK OF YOUR STAFF, HOW HARD IT WOULD BE IF THEY FELT THEY HAD TO ANSWER TO SEVEN DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, SIX DIFFERENT BOSSES IN A ROTATING CAST. AND IT'S ACTUALLY IN HERE AND UNDERLINED, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT IS. YES. TO SPEAK TO STAFF FIRST PAGE. THE VERY FIRST PAGE, I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS I BELIEVE THAT, NO. AND THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION TOO. YEAH. BUT CONDUCT WITH STAFF PAGE 100. PAGE 100.
OKAY. LET ME FIND ITEM FOUR. OKAY. ROMAN NUMERAL FOUR. SO THE FIRST PAGE SAYS PURSUANT TO THE FLORIDA MUNICIPAL OFFICIALS MANUAL, NO, THIS IS IT, COMMISSIONER CLARK. EXCEPT FOR THE PURPOSES OF INQUIRIES AND INVESTIGATION, CITY COMMISSIONERS SHALL DEAL WITH THE CITY EMPLOYEES WHO ARE SUBJECT TO THE DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION OF THE CITY MANAGER SOLELY THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER AND NEITHER THE CITY COMMISSION OR ANY OF ITS MEMBERS SHALL GIVE ORDERS TO ANY SUCH CITY EMPLOYEE, EITHER PUBLICLY OR PRIVATELY, WHICH, DEPENDING ON THE INDIVIDUAL CIRCUMSTANCES, COULD BE DEEMED HARASSMENT. I ALWAYS, WHENEVER I WANT TO GO SPEAK TO STAFF OR HAVE STAFF ASSIST ME AT LENGTH, I WILL ALWAYS ASK THE CITY MANAGER JUST TO MAKE SURE, AND I KNOW THE STAFF APPRECIATES THAT. SO I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT SPELLED OUT SPECIFICALLY AND IN DETAIL. WAS THAT AN ISSUE BEFORE OR AFTER TOM CAMPANY? OH, IT'S AN ISSUE. IT'S AN ISSUE. THE MAYOR IT IT WAS AN ISSUE. IS IT. OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, THE WHETHER IT'S IN THE WHETHER IT'S IN THE CODE OF CONDUCT OR NOT, THE CITY OF STUART HAS WHAT'S KNOWN AS A CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. YES. AND THE FLORIDA MUNICIPAL OFFICIALS MANUAL, THE CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS MENTIONED ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THE DOCUMENT SAYS UNDER THE COUNCIL MANAGER FORM, THE CITY MANAGER IS THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER OF THE CITY MANAGER SUPERVISOR AND COORDINATES THE DEPARTMENTS, APPOINTS AND REMOVES THEIR DIRECTORS, PREPARES THE BUDGET FOR THE COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION, AND MAKES REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL. ALL DEPARTMENT HEADS REPORT TO THE MANAGER. MANAGER IS FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MUNICIPAL ADMINISTRATION. THE MANAGER IS EXPECTED TO ABSTAIN FROM ANY AND ALL POLITICAL INVOLVEMENT AT THE SAME TIME. THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OTHER POLITICAL LEADERS ARE EXPECTED TO REFRAIN FROM INTRUDING ON THE MANAGER'S ROLE AS CHIEF EXECUTIVE. COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE EXPECTED TO ABSTAIN FROM SEEKING TO INDIVIDUALLY INTERFERE IN ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS, INCLUDING ACTIONS AND PERSONNEL MATTERS. SOME CITY CHARTERS PROVIDE THAT INTERFERENCE IN ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS BY AN ELECTED CITY
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OFFICIAL ARE GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL OF THE ELECTED OFFICIAL FROM OFFICE. NOW, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THAT'S IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. FLORIDA MUNICIPAL OFFICIALS MANUAL. THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT PROBLEM TO THAT EXTENT THAT A CITY COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS TO THAT EXTENT. BUT THE CITY HAS ALSO BEEN A MUCH LESS FORMAL PLACE. AND, AND, AND I THINK WE TAKE PRIDE IN THE FACT THAT THE CITY COMMISSIONERS KNOW THE DIRECTORS AND SPEAK TO THE DIRECTORS AND MEET WITH THEM AND TALK TO THEM DIRECTLY ABOUT THINGS. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN INADVERTENT SITUATIONS WHERE EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN DIRECTED TO MEET WITH OR OR PERFORM MATTERS FOR THAT I DON'T THINK IT WAS INTENDED TO CIRCUMVENT THE CITY MANAGER AT ALL, AS MUCH AS IT WAS JUST INTENDED TO EXPEDITE SOMETHING THAT THAT HAS COME UP, BUT I THINK IT PROTECTS THE EMPLOYEES IS THE MAIN THING. THE OTHER THING, THE BEST ADVICE I GOT AND I GUESS THIS IS TO YOU, COMMISSIONER REED, WHO'S.REGARDING SUNSHINE IS FROM COMMISSIONER CAMPI AND HE GOES, YOU ARE THE PUBLIC RECORD. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, SAYING WHAT DEVICE YOU HAVE IN YOUR HAND. YOU ARE THE PUBLIC RECORD AND TO AS GREAT A DEGREE AS POSSIBLE. IF SOMEONE SENDS ME AN EMAIL ON MY PERSONAL I. I RE I RESPOND TO THEM. I SAY I AM SENDING THIS TO MY CITY EMAIL PLEASE AND I WILL DEAL WITH YOU THROUGH MY CITY EMAIL. SO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE I DEAL WITH THE CITY EMAIL. ALL MY APPOINTMENTS ARE MADE THROUGH THE CITY OF STUART, THROUGH NINA NOW, AND THAT JUST MAKES SURE. SO I GET A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. I'M JUST LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD AND GIVE THEM EVERYTHING YOU GOT THERE. BUT THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN DO THAT TO A GREATER DEGREE AS POSSIBLE, DON'T SEND TELL PEOPLE, DON'T SEND ME A PERSON TO MY PERSONAL EMAIL, ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY. AND THEN FINALLY, I GUESS WE BETRAY OUR AGE, COMMISSIONER CLARK, TO SEE THE VALUE OF THIS AND. IT. YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S NO OVERT ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM, COMMISSIONER COLLINS. YOU KNOW WHAT THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM IS? IS YOUR SIGNATURE, YOUR ATTESTATION. YOU'RE SIGNING THIS DOCUMENT WHEN YOU TAKE OFFICE AND SAY, I WILL ADHERE TO THAT AND TO ME, THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT. AND I HOPE YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY. I WOULD I VERY MUCH WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE THIS EXPIRE. COMMISSIONER CLARK MAKES A VERY GOOD POINT. WE EXPECT A CERTAIN LEVEL OF DECORUM AND BEHAVIOR FROM THE PUBLIC, AND WE CERTAINLY SHOULD HOLD OURSELVES TO THAT AS WELL. IT'S COMMON SENSE, BUT IT NEVER HURTS TO BE ABLE TO REFER TO IT. AND THAT'S MY FEELING. MAYOR. YES, COMMISSIONER CLARK, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST IF POSSIBLE, AND I DID ASK MR. MARTELL TO LOOK INTO THIS, TO SEE WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THIS OCCURRED, WAS THAT IF WE EVER NEEDED TO TAKE A COUPLE HOURS AND TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF RETREAT WHERE WE HAVE SOMEBODY TALK TO US, MAYBE PERSONNEL CAN SUGGEST AN EXPERT AND JUST HAVE US PUT OUR DIFFERENCES OUT. SO THAT WE CAN BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE BETTER WITH EACH OTHER. WHEN WE'RE UP HERE AS A BOARD, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO ALWAYS BE ON THE SAME PLANE ON EVERYTHING. BUT AT LEAST WE CAN KNOW THAT THE BODY OF OUR KNOWLEDGE AND OUR HISTORY IS BEING TRANSFERRED. AND IT'S BEEN SOME THINGS ARE BEING UNDERSTOOD AS TO SOME OF THE, I DON'T KNOW, THE CULTURE OF THE CITY OR WHATEVER YOU PEOPLE MAY CALL IT, BUT IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHERE SOME THINGS ARE COMING FROM, LIKE THIS WAS BROUGHT UP TODAY ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. PEOPLE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THEM AND INTERESTED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOO. AND I THINK HAVING US MEET TOGETHER AS A COMMISSION IN A WORKSHOP TYPE SITUATION MIGHT BE VERY HELPFUL IN THE CLIMATE THAT WE ARE AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT STAFF'S MORALE IS NOT WHERE IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE THEY
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SEE US NOT BEHAVING UP HERE AND THEY THEY DON'T LIKE IT. AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO WHAT IS THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING A SHORT WORKSHOP OR SOMETHING? MR. MARTEL, WHAT TOPIC WOULD IT BE? COMMISSIONER CLARK, WE'VE DONE THE RETREAT BEFORE ON ANALYSIS. THE SWATH, THE THREATS TO THE CITY IS SETTING UP. WE HAVE A THE CITY, THE CITY'S PLAN, WHICH IS OUR AND WE HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE PLAN? AGAIN, I DID IT THE LONG TERM STRATEGIC PLAN.THE STRATEGIC PLAN. AND SO, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOT GOING ON RIGHT NOW AS IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ZONING IN PROGRESS. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT I WANT TO HAVE MORE THINGS WITH THAT. BUT JUST FROM A SCHEDULING PERSPECTIVE. BUT IF THE COMMISSION EVER WANTS TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON ANY MATTER, I'M HAPPY TO COORDINATE IT AND GET A MODERATOR OR GET SOMEBODY TOGETHER FOR IT. I THINK THAT THE ZONING IN PROGRESS IS PROBABLY GOING TO RESULT IN SOME MORE WORKSHOPS THAT ARE ALSO GOING TO RESULT IN US HAVING THE POTENTIAL FOR NEEDING OUTSIDE CONSULTING ADVICE, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE. SO WE MIGHT FIND OURSELVES IN THOSE SITUATIONS ALREADY. AND I DON'T WANT TO CREATE SOME BURNOUT WHERE WE'RE OVERSCHEDULING THE BOARD RIGHT OVER HERE IN THE PUBLIC. I HEAR YOU THE PURPOSE FOR TONIGHT WASN'T TO ACCUSE ANYBODY OR TO INFER THAT THERE'S SOME MISBEHAVIOR OR MISDEED GOING ON. IT WAS REALLY TO BRING UP THE CODE OF CONDUCT BASED UPON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND COMMISSIONER COMMENTS WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING RECENTLY. AND SEE IF YOU WANT ME TO BRING BACK AN AGENDA ITEM ADDRESSING THE CODE OF CONDUCT. IN WHAT WAY? AND, WELL, I MEAN, I CAN BRING IT BACK AMENDED. I CAN ADD TO IT THOSE THINGS I MENTIONED TO IT. AND LIKE I SAID, IF YOU HAD THE YOU HAD THE PLEASURE OF VOTING IT DOWN OR UP OR OTHER OR OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I'LL BE HAPPY TO.
I'M NOT INTERESTED IN AMENDING IT OR TRYING TO FURTHER IT OR EXPAND IT. IT'S YOU WANT IT TO.
WE ALL KNOW HOW IT IF THIS DOCUMENT THAT YOU SIGN ON DAY ONE ISN'T WHAT GOVERNS YOU DAY TO DAY, IT'S WHO YOU ARE. IT'S HOW YOU INTERACT WITH PEOPLE TRYING TO EXPAND THIS INTO SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S MORE THREATENING OR CONTROLLING OF PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR, I THINK IS MORE TOTALITARIAN. WE'RE ALL ADULTS UP HERE. SOME OF US ARE YOUNGER THAN OTHERS. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NEED TO WORKSHOP ABOUT HOW TO COMMUNICATE. YOU KNOW, I OWN MY OWN BUSINESS.
I'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 12 YEARS. SEAN DOES TOO. LAURA, LIKE THERE'S NONE OF US NEED TO BE TELLING ANY OF THE OTHER OF US HOW TO BEHAVE OR COMMUNICATE DIFFERENTLY. WE ALL REPRESENT DIFFERENT ASPECTS AND GROUPS WITHIN THE CITY. COLLECTIVELY, WE REPRESENT THE CITY. NONE OF US NEEDS TO TELL THE OTHER ONE HOW TO BEHAVE OR ACT OR THINK. SO TO ME, THIS IS OBNOXIOUS.
THIS IS UNNECESSARY. MOST LIKE YOU SIGN THIS ON DAY ONE BEFORE YOU KNOW ANYTHING ELSE. BEFORE YOU KNOW THAT YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO. YOU JUST SIGN IT AS PART OF ALL OF YOUR OTHER PAPERWORK AND IT GOES AWAY. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME AND ENERGY EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT WHEN THERE'S A MILLION OTHER THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW. THIS AT YOUR EMAIL WORKSHOP, DID THEY TALK ABOUT DOCUMENTS LIKE THIS AND THEIR VALUE OR LACK OF VALUE? THEY DID MENTION ONCE IT'S IN THE CHARTER, IT'S MUCH HARDER.
OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW TO GET RID OF IT. I WILL SAY THAT I'M PROBABLY MORE CONCERNED WITH CODE OF ETHICS AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND SUNSHINE LAW VIOLATIONS, BECAUSE WHEN YOU START READING THROUGH THE PUNISHMENTS ON THAT, IT'S MUCH HARSHER THAN THIS. THERE'S TIMES WHERE I'VE CAUGHT MYSELF, OBVIOUSLY, IF I WAS INAPPROPRIATE TOWARDS A FELLOW BOARD MEMBER, THAT'S NOT MY GOA.
OBVIOUSLY, TO DO THAT SAME THING WITH STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY LIKE TO CARRY ON TO WHAT COMMISSIONER CLARK SAID. I ACTUALLY HAD SOME PEOPLE FROM DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT MY ENTIRE CAMPAIGN AND EVEN AFTER I WON, THEY WANTED TO SIGN WAVE FOR ME. THEY WANTED TO DONATE TO MY CAMPAIGN. OBVIOUSLY, I ADVISED THEM NOT TO SIGN WAVE FOR ME OR DONATE TO MY CAMPAIGN PUBLICLY BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THEM AS MUCH AS THEY WANTED TO SUPPORT MY CAMPAIGN. AND I'M TALKING FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO UTILITY WORKERS, IT WAS ASTONISHING. I WAS STOPPED CONSTANTLY WHEN I WAS DOOR KNOCKING OR EVEN WHEN I WAS DOWN HERE AT CITY HALL. SO I
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TRY TO GET ALONG WITH STAFF VERY WELL, AND I THINK I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EVERY TIME I DO SIT DOWN AND SPEAK WITH THEM, EVEN WHEN I DISAGREE WITH STAFF, I'D LIKE TO THINK I'M VERY POLITE ABOUT IT.AND PERSONABLE AND APPROACHABLE. AT LEAST I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT. OBVIOUSLY IF SOMEONE THOUGHT OTHERWISE, I WOULD IMAGINE THEY WOULD BRING IT TO THE CITY MANAGER'S ATTENTION. AND I PERSONALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT MYSELF BEING INAPPROPRIATE TOWARDS ANY STAFF MEMBERS OR ANY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. I'D LIKE TO THINK MIKE WOULD REITERATE THOSE CONCERNS. NO, I UNDERSTAND, AND I KNOW THIS WASN'T TARGETED. I ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT'S BEEN A HEALTHY DISCUSSION. AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME THINGS SHOULD BE UPDATED IN HERE. I'M NOT SAYING GET RID OF IT, BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT DOESN'T ARTICULATE A CODE OF CONDUCT FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS, WHICH, LIKE I STATED IN THE BEGINNING OF MY STATEMENT, FLORIDA ETHICS AND SUNSHINE LAWS IS MUCH MORE OF A HARSH PUNISHMENT TOWARDS ME AS A BOARD MEMBER, AND I DO TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY. OBVIOUSLY SHOWN THROUGHOUT MY SPEECHES. AND I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR A SHORT, BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME, BUT I'D LIKE TO THINK I DO CONDUCT MYSELF IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER FOR THE PUBLIC. AND IF ANYONE DISAGREES, I'M ALWAYS OPEN EARS FOR DISCUSSION. AND LIKE I SAID, I TRY TO BE POLITE ABOUT IT. SO THAT'S PROBABLY ALL I HAVE TO ADD TO THAT. THANKS. SO, MR. MARTELL, THIS IS SUNSETTING. WELL, IT IT IT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING. THERE'S NO EXPIRATION DATE ON IT. OH OKAY. HE WAS ASKED I, I ASSUME THAT COMMISSIONER COLLINS WAS ASKING TO EXPIRE IT, BUT THERE IS NO ACTIVE EXPIRATION DATE. THAT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION. DO WE WANT TO AMEND IT. DO WE WANT IT TO EXPIRE? DO WE WANT TO EXPAND IT BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO NO ACTUAL DATE ON IT? DIRECTING STAFF TO CONTINUE IT OR BRING IT BACK? EITHER. SO IT'S KIND OF BEEN KIND OF A LIMBO THING THAT I WANTED TO GET THE DIRECTION AND IDENTIFY IT AND ADDRESS IT BASED UPON WHAT YOU'VE SAID. I WILL PUT IN A AGENDA ITEM TOGETHER. WE'LL PUT IT BACK ON THE 12TH, AND THEN WE'LL LET THE COMMISSION VOTE ON IT UP OR DOWN, THEN SORT OF AROUND AMENDING IT. IS THAT I MEAN, I'LL BRING IN THE DRAFT LANGUAGE AS IT RELATES TO THE EMAIL OR THE SERVER AND THE YOU KNOW, THE STUDIES AND THE ALSO THE PUBLIC RECORDS POLICY AND AMEND STUFF LIKE THE FIVE MINUTE THING. AND I THINK THAT LIKE IF YOU READ THIS DOCUMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, TONIGHT, EVEN I REFERENCED PAGE ONE, COMMISSIONER CLARK REFERENCED PAGE 101 ON THE AGENDA ITEM, BUT IT WAS LIKE PAGE 4 OR 5 IN THE AGENDA OR OF THE DOCUMENT, BECAUSE IT'S REDUNDANT AND THERE'S ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP MULTIPLE TIMES THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED OUT. AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO READ AND IT'S HARD TO FOLLOW. SO AT MINIMUM, IT NEEDS CLEANED UP AND REORGANIZED. MAYOR, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CONCISE. SORRY IF DISCUSSION IS OVER. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WE DO HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU WANTED TO. OKAY, OKAY, I WOULD APPRECIATE. AND WHO WOULD THAT BE? MR. MR. NOBLE OKAY. SO I HAVE TWO MINUTES. I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. I AM NOT TECHNICALLY YOU HAVE FIVE. OH, GOOD. BUT I'M NOT EVEN BETTER. I GOT PLENTY TO FILL. I'M SUBTRACTING TWO. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, I AM NOT A PUBLICLY ELECTED OFFICIAL. I'M AN APPOINTED MEMBER OF THE CRA BOARD BY A MEMBER OF THE PAST MEMBER OF THE BOARD. I'M LISTENING TO THIS WHOLE THING TONIGHT. AND BY THE WAY, THANK YOU ALL BECAUSE YOU ARE PARTICIPATING IN OUR DEMOCRACY, SYNCHRONIZING AS THAT SOUNDS, YOU'RE REPRESENTING A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL. I'M DISTURBED AT THE CRISIS THAT I SEE HAPPENING ON THIS COMMISSION, AND I'VE BEEN IN THREE DIFFERENT STATES. I'VE LIVED AND I'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED WITH GOVERNMENT. AND THIS IS REALLY, REALLY IN TROUBLE AS I SEE IT. I'VE BEEN INTIMIDATED TONIGHT BY A BOARD MEMBER, AND SINCE I CAN'T NAME THAT BOARD MEMBER, I'M LETTING YOU KNOW THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE.
AND FOR A BOARD MEMBER TO ABDICATE THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY PUNISHMENT FOR THEIR BEHAVIOR, THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR THE CITY OF STUART. CHANGE IS INEVITABLE. OKAY. BUT THE AGENDA OF THIS BOARD I WAS AT THE BRIGHT LINE MEETING. PUBLIC MEETING THAT WAS OUT OF CONTROL.
AND SIR, YOU'RE YOU RUNNING THE AS THE MAYOR OF THE BOARD, I THOUGHT YOU DID A FANTASTIC JOB, BUT IT WAS OUT OF CONTROL. IT WAS NOT HANDLED PROPERLY. THERE NEEDS TO BE A CERTAIN DECORUM. I THINK WE WERE ALL TALKING ABOUT THAT. I AM I'M THREE PEOPLE. I'M A STUART RESIDENT THAT HAS SERVED AND REPRESENTED BY THE ELECTED CITY COMMISSIONERS. I'M ALSO A RESIDENT TAXPAYER AND I'M A CRA BOARD MEMBER. SO THAT'S MY VIEW. AS I SEE IT. I, I AM I, I'M TAKING SOME QUOTES DOWN, BUT
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BUT I THINK BEFORE I EVEN GIVE YOU SOME OF THESE QUOTES, WHAT IS CIVILITY? THIS IS IN OUR VERY DOCUMENT THAT WE PUT OUT. LET ME READ IT TO EVERYBODY. CIVILITY IS CARING ABOUT ONE'S IDENTITY, NEEDS AND BELIEFS WITHOUT DEGRADING SOMEONE ELSE'S. IN THE PROCESS. THAT STANDARD DEFINITELY WAS NOT MET THE NIGHT OF THE BRIGHT LINE, HEARING CIVILITY IS MORE THAN MERELY BEING POLITE. OKAY, THAT DEFINITELY WAS NOT MET. THE NIGHT OF THE BRIGHT LINE, CIVILITY REQUIRES STAYING PRESENT, EVEN WHEN EVEN WHEN THOSE PERSONS WITH WHOM WE HAVE DEEP ROOTED AND PERHAPS STRONG DISAGREEMENTS. IT IS ABOUT CONSTANTLY BEING OPEN TO HEAR, LEARN, TEACH, AND CHANGE. IT SEEKS COMMON GROUND AS A BEGINNING POINT FOR DIALOG. IT IS PATIENCE, GRACE AND STRENGTH OF CHARACTER. CIVILITY IS PRACTICED IN OUR CITY HALL.CIVILITY HAS NOT BEEN PRACTICED IN THIS CITY HALL. I EVIDENCED IT FIRSTHAND. I SAW IT, IT WAS DISRESPECTFUL TO THE CHAIR, WHICH IS THE MAYOR TONIGHT, THAT BE BY ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND I. I'M SORRY, BUT I SHOULDN'T COME HERE AS A AS A NOMINATED CRA MEMBER AND BE CONFRONTED BY A BOARD MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE IN AN INTIMIDATING FASHION, IN A THREATENING FASHION, WHICH DID HAPPEN. AND I'M MAKING YOU ALL AWARE OF IT. THAT TELLS ME THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF RULES ABOUT THIS. I REALLY THINK THAT WE ELECT THE GOVERNMENT, THAT WE DESERVE, AND MAYBE THAT'S THE PROBLEM. WHAT'S GOING ON HERE RIGHT NOW IS I THINK THIS BOARD NEEDS TO TAKE A REALLY HARD INTERNAL LOOK AT ITSELF, AND THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD AND WHAT HAPPENED IN AUGUST, WHICH THIS IS NOT AN ELECTED, REPRESENTED GOVERNMENT BOARD. IN MY OPINION, THIS THIS IS A THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN AUGUST AND WE EVEN HAVE A BOARD MEMBER NOW THAT'S NOT EVEN COMING TO THE BOARD MEETINGS. THAT'S A PROBLEM.
THAT'S A CRISIS TOO, BECAUSE WE CAN'T EVEN VOTE AND GET BEYOND A22 TIE. SO ANYWAY, WITH THAT SAID, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL END. BUT I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH BEING INTIMIDATED PERSONALLY BY A BOARD MEMBER, AND THAT'S ALL. SO THANK YOU, MR. NOBLE. IS THAT IT? SUSAN? THAT IS ALL MAYOR. WE LOST MR. REED, COMMISSIONER REED, MR. BRINKLEY, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. AS LONG AS THE DOOR IS OPEN, YOU MAY WALK THROUGH IT AGAIN. MR. BRINKLEY, LISTEN. I'M A MINISTER. I HAVE TO ANSWER TO GOD. I'M A SERVANT OF HIS. I WANT TO SAY THIS TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY FROM GOD. AND THAT THAT THAT COMMENT ABOUT. DON'T MISS CHURCH AND STATE. THEN YOU NEED TO READ ROMANS CHAPTER 14, VERSES ONE THROUGH SEVEN. YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY FROM GOD. THEY MAY HAVE VOTED FOR YOU ALL, BUT GOD PUT YOU THERE. HE PUT YOU THERE TO CARRY OUT THE LAW OF THE LAND. YOU GO BACK TO BIBLICAL TIMES WHEN KINGS DIDN'T DO THEIR JOB. GOD REMOVED THEM. GOD PUT THE LAW IN LAND FOR YOU ALL TO CARRY OUT THE LAW OF THE LAND. READ ROMANS NINE, CHAPTER 14, VERSES ONE THROUGH SEVEN. YOU ALL HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO CARRY OUT THE LAW OF THE LAND. WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO OBEY THE LAW OF THE LAND. SO IT STARTS WITH GOD. IT DON'T START WITH NO WRITTEN MAN RULE. IT STARTS WITH GOD. THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO WHAT DOES, SAYS THE LORD, NOT WHAT MAN SAY WE ALL HAVE TO ANSWER, AND WE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE ACCOUNT ON JUDGMENT DAY. THAT'S WHERE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY COMES FROM. IS GOD YOUR SERVANT OF GOD? GOD PUT YOU THERE TO CARRY OUT THE LAW OF THE LAND. AND I TELL YOU AGAIN, READ ROMANS CHAPTER 14, VERSES ONE THROUGH SEVEN. I'M A MINISTER. I'M A SERVANT OF GOD. I HAVE TO ANSWER TO HIM, NOT NO MAN. YOU ALL HAVE TO ANSWER TO HIM. JUST LIKE THE GENTLEMAN WANTED TO ADDRESS. IF WE COME UP HERE AND MAKE A COMMENT, WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A RESPONSE TO WHAT WE COME UP HERE FOR. DON'T SIT UP HERE LIKE A DEADBEAT ANIMAL. DON'T DON'T HAVE NOTHING TO SAY. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A RESPONSE FOR OUR COMMENT. LIKE HE WANTED TO ADDRESS. AND IT'S JUST LIKE, NO, YOU CAN'T SAY THAT. THAT'S NOT THE WAY GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO BE RUN. WE GOT TOO MUCH DICTATORSHIP AND GOVERNMENT TODAY ON ALL BRANCHES FROM WASHINGTON ON DOWN TO THE STATE ON DOWN TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT. IT SHOULDN'T BE NO DICTATORSHIP BECAUSE WE I'M GOING TO REMIND YOU ONE THING. GOD PUT YOU ALL THERE AND YOU GOT TO CARRY OUT THE LAW OF THE LAND. THE GENTLEMAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RESPOND. THAT'S NOT THE WAY
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GOVERNMENT SUPPOSED TO BE RUN. I GET SO EMBARRASSED WHEN I COME INTO THIS DOOR TO SEE WHERE THIS GOVERNMENT IS RUNNING HERE, AND IT'S ON ALL BRANCHES OF THE GOVERNMENT. THIS IS NO DICTATOR COUNTRY, BUT IT'S BEGINNING TO BE RUN LIKE DICTATOR. THIS IS A SHOW SUPPOSED TO BE A FREE COUNTRY. BUT IF GOVERNMENT IS RUN LIKE A DICTATOR, YOU ALL NEED TO TAKE A BITE, TAKE A STEP BACK AND TAKE A LOOK. BECAUSE THIS IS NOT PLEASING. AND AGAIN, AS THE GENTLEMAN SPOKE ABOUT THE BRIGHT LINE THAT WAS REALLY EMBARRASSING. THANK YOU MISTER. Y'ALL WAS EMBARRASSING TO THE CITY OF STUART AND TO THE RESIDENTS. THAT IS ALL. MAYOR. I THINK I HAVE SUFFICIENT DIRECTION. OKAY. THANK YOU* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.