Dec 09, 2024 Regular City Commission Meeting

ALL NOW KNOW THAT WAS ALL. SITTING FOR CITY COMMISSION. I'M CALLING TO ORDER THE REGULAR

[ROLL CALL]

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COMMISSIONER CLARK HERE. COMMISSIONER COLLINS HERE. COMMISSIONER. JOB HERE.

COMMISSIONER REID, HERE. THE INVOCATION. THIS AFTERNOON WILL BE PROVIDED BY CHAPLAIN ED SKIBA FROM THE STUART POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND AFTERWARDS, WILL YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? NOPE. NO. IT'S OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS. MR. CITY MANAGER. MR. CITY ATTORNEY AND MY CHIEFS BACK THERE SOMEWHERE. HE WAS HERE A SECOND AGO. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THIS TO BE DONE HERE AGAIN. ONCE AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THE PRESIDENT'S PRESENCE OF THE LORD TO COME INTO THESE PROCEEDINGS IN THE CHRISTIAN CALENDAR. WE'RE IN A SEASON OF ADVENT RIGHT NOW. AND YESTERDAY WAS THE SECOND DAY OF SECOND SUNDAY OF ADVENT. AND THE SECOND SUNDAY OF ADVENT IS ABOUT PEACE. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED IN THIS CITY, IN THIS COUNTY, IN THIS COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. BUT A MUCH DEEPER PEACE THAN JUST THE ABSENCE OF CONFLICT, A CONFIDENCE TO KNOW THAT THINGS WILL BE OKAY, THAT THIS COUNTRY IS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND EVERYTHING WILL BE OKAY. IT'S TIME TO SET ASIDE OUR DIFFERENCES POLITICAL, SOCIAL, WHATEVER DIFFERENCES WE MAY HAVE SET THEM ALL ASIDE AND BECOME ONE NATION UNDER GOD AGAIN AND GET US GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. LET'S GO BEFORE THE LORD, OUR GOD AND OUR FATHER, GREAT CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE. YOU ARE THE ULTIMATE PEACE. YOU BRING US THE PEACE THAT PASSES ALL UNDERSTANDING. AND WE ASK FOR THAT HERE AT THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW AND IN OUR CITY, OUR COUNTY, OUR COUNTRY, AND THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, THERE'S SO MUCH STRIFE, SO MUCH CONFLICT, ALL BECAUSE OF HUMAN PRIDE. LORD, WE ASK YOU TO HELP US TAME THAT PRIDE, TO PUT IT ASIDE AND LOOK FOR THE THINGS THAT YOU INTENDED FOR THIS CREATION. I THANK YOU FOR THESE MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE RAISING THEIR HEAD ABOVE THE CROWD AND WILLING TO TAKE LEADERSHIP FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY THAT WE LIVE IN. LORD, I ASK YOUR BLESSING ON THEM. YOU GIVE THEM WISDOM AND DIRECTION AND UNDERSTANDING AT THIS TIME OF YEAR. FATHER, I THANK YOU FOR THE CELEBRATION WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE OF THE ARRIVAL OF CHRIST. AND I ALSO THANK YOU, LORD, FOR THE CELEBRATION FOR OUR JEWISH BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF HANUKKAH. I WISH THEM A HAPPY HANUKKAH. WE BOTH HAVE A GREAT, JOYFUL OCCASION TO LOOK FORWARD TO. LET US DO THAT TOGETHER. LET EVERYONE IN THIS NATION, IN THIS COUNTRY AND IN THIS CITY COME BACK TOGETHER. BLESS US IN WHAT WE DO. BLESS THIS GREAT MEETING TODAY AND BLESS ALL THE PROCEEDINGS HERE. WE THANK YOU AND PRAISE YOU FOR THIS IN THE PRECIOUS NAME AND IN THE IN THE WORDS OF JESUS, PEACE I GIVE YOU MY PEACE I BRING YOU NOT AS THE WORLD GIVES, BUT THE PEACE OF GOD. AMEN. AMEN. PLEASE JOIN ME NOW IN PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS.

UNFORTUNATELY, I KNOW COMMISSIONER CLARK IS DISAPPOINTED. MISS PIERRE IS UNFORTUNATELY TOOK ILL AND WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PERFORM IN OUR MOMENT. SO WE GO ON TO THE NEXT

[2. SELECTION OF MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR]

SHE'S NOT WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PUT COMMISSIONER COLLINS AS THE NEXT MAYOR OF THE CITY OF STUART FOR THE YEAR 2025. SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JOB AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLLINS. DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? I KNOW WHAT YOU DO. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS. WHAT IS THE MOTION? THAT'S FAST. I GOT TO GET FAST MOTION NIGHT. THIS

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AND HE SECONDED. CHRIS SECONDED IT. HE SECONDED THE MOTION THAT HE BE THE MAYOR. YES, MA'AM. AND LEE SAYING HE CAN BE SHAKING HIS HEAD. SO STRANGE, BUT YEAH, THAT WAS FAST. MY OPINION WOULD BE OUT OF RESPECT TO RICH. I KNOW YOU'VE YOU GOT THROWN INTO THE MAYOR POSITION. MY VIEW WOULD JUST BE TO OUT OF TRADITIONAL PROTOCOL TYPICALLY VICE MAYOR BECOMES MAYOR AND THEN YOU SELECT A NEW VICE MAYOR, WHICH WOULD BE AFTER THIS. THAT'S JUST MY VIEW. I MEAN, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU ONLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT FOR A COUPLE MONTHS. YEAH, THAT'S MY VIEW ALSO. THAT'S JUST MY VIEW. AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM. BUT THE MAYOR CURRENTLY IS NOT THE VICE MAYOR. HE IS THE MAYOR. NO, HE'S ACTING AS THE MAYOR BECAUSE WE LOST OUR MAYOR DURING THE ELECTION. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT HE WAS NEVER VOTED IN AS A MAYOR. HE'S JUST AN INTERIM ACTING AS THE MAYOR. CORRECT. SO TRADITIONALL. TRADITIONALLY FOR TWO MONTHS.

RIGHT? YEAH. AND TRADITIONALLY, THE VICE MAYOR BECOMES MAYOR TRADITIONALLY, UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE HAS SEEN IT OTHERWISE. BUT THAT'S HOW I'VE ALWAYS SEEN IT. I MEAN, YOU'RE YOU'RE COMMISSIONERS ELECT WHO THEY ELECT TO BE IN THE MAYOR ROLE, SORT OF LIKE AN A COUNTY. HAVING RECENTLY. YEAH. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE SECOND LEE. I WASN'T SURE IF THE PERSON WHO'S NOMINATED FOR THE POSITION CAN SECOND THERE FOR THE FOR THE POSITION. BUT IF AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THAT'S MEETS THE RULES AND THAT'S OKAY. IT'S MY OPINION THAT THAT MEETS THE RULES OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MADAM. CLERK. COMMISSIONER. READ. NO. COMMISSIONER. COLLINS. YES.

COMMISSIONER. CLARK. NO. COMMISSIONER. JOB. YES. MAYOR. RICH. NO. NO. FAILS. OKAY. WE'RE BACK TO MAYOR. MAY I MAKE A MOTION THAT OR DID YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW? WE'VE HAD A MOTION AND THAT FAILED, SO IT'S FAILED. MAKE A MOTION TO ELECT A MAYOR. THAT COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL SERVE AS OUR MAYOR FOR THE NEXT YEAR. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE NO PROBLEM. SECOND, IT OUT OF RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, YOU TO SERVE YOUR FULL YEAR. I MIGHT NOT ALWAYS AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR RICH. ON THINGS OR MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS UP HERE, BUT I DO HAVE RESPECT, AND I FEEL YOU SHOULD SERVE YOUR FULL YEAR.

THAT'S MY OPINION AND MY STANCE. THANK YOU. SECOND IT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER REED. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER REED. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD OR ALREADY HAD IT? I WAS OUT OF COLLEGIALITY. I RESPECT WHAT THE COMMENT THAT COMMISSIONER REED MADE FURTHER, THE MAYOR'S POSITION IS A CEREMONIAL POSITION AND I KNOW THAT IT'S ALSO VERY IMPORTANT. AND COMMISSIONER RICH WAS PUT INTO THIS POSITION BECAUSE WE LOST OUR MAYOR DURING THE AUGUST ELECTION, AND HE WAS THE VICE MAYOR, AND HE STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE. IN FACT, WE REALLY DIDN'T. MR. MARTELL, YOU CAN CORRECT ME. WE REALLY DIDN'T SELECT A VICE MAYOR. SOMETIMES I SEE MY NAME WRITTEN DOWN AS VICE MAYOR OR WHATEVER, BUT WE JUST KIND OF HE WAS JUST FILLING IN THE ROLE, AND I THINK THAT IT IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACT AS A MAYOR FOR A FULL TERM. MAYOR RICH, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. BEING A YOUNG A NEW MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, BUT RESPECTING THE TRADITION OF THE CITY THAT'S OVER 100 YEARS OLD. THERE'S VALUE TO THAT. AND IT IS A VERY CEREMONIAL ROLE. AND I THINK BOTH YOU AND COMMISSIONER JOB ARE REALIZING HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT WE MAKE THE EFFORT TO GET OUT INTO THE PUBLIC AND SHOW OUR FACES. AND SO THAT TAKES QUITE A BIT OF TIME, AND IT COULD BE DIFFICULT FOR YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO HAS A FULL TIME JOB.

CERTAINLY. SO SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS, MAYOR RICH. MAYOR RICH. I'M SORRY. MY QUESTION WOULD BE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS IN THE CHARTER OR ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. THIS MIGHT BE FOR MIKE AND LEE. WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR YOU TO PASS THE GAVEL, THOUGH, DOES IT ALWAYS GO TO THE VICE MAYOR OR IS THAT YOUR CHOOSING? IT GOES TO THE VICE MAYOR. UNLESS THE

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PROCEDURALLY, YES. TAKING A STEP FURTHER, THE CITY'S POLICY IS ALWAYS THAT IF WE GET AN INQUIRY FROM THE MEDIA THAT WE SEND, WE DIRECT THEM TO THE MAYOR FIRST. IF THE MAYOR IS NOT AVAILABLE, WE DIRECT THEM TO THE VICE MAYOR. IF THE VICE MAYOR IS NOT AVAILABLE, THEN ANYBODY ELSE IS AVAILABLE. THAT'S WHERE IT GOES. AND JUST FROM A MATTER OF PROTOCOL, IT KIND OF GOES THE SAME WAY. AND I THINK IT'S MORE OF AN INFORMAL PROCESS. YOU GUYS COULD ADOPT SOMETHING DIFFERENT IF YOU CHOSE, BUT THAT'S WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. AND MR. MORTAL, MR. MAYOR, MAY I SAY SOMETHING? CERTAINLY. AND WITH REGARD TO THAT, TO MR. MORTAL, WHOEVER WE SELECT AS THE MAYOR FOR THIS 25 YEAR, WHEN WE DO SOMETHING ON THE AT THE CITY OF STUART, IT'S THE CITY OF STUART AND NOT AN INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER OR THE MAYOR. SO IF A LETTER HAS TO GO OUT OR SOMETHING, THE MAYOR JUST DOESN'T DO IT OR WRITE IT OR MAKE THE PHONE CALL. WE ALL HAVE TO AGREE THAT THE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, THE MAYOR IS GOING TO DO THIS OR SAY THAT UNLESS WE HAVE SOME EMERGENCY WITH THE PRESS AS MR. MORTAL JUST POINTED OUT, AND USUALLY WE EVEN JUST SEND SOME THINGS BECAUSE POLICY MAY HAVE BEEN ALREADY DIRECTED. WE PROBABLY JUST SEND THEM TO THE CITY MANAGER TO GET FULL CLARIFICATION OR, OR GET THE INFORMATION THAT HAS ALREADY THAT SOMEWHERE IN THE ANNALS OF THE CITY THAT SOMEBODY JUST NEEDS TO CLARIFY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MUCH THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE PROCEDURE OF MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, BUT THE, THE, THE, THE, THE LAW IS THAT THE COMMISSION SPEAKS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND THEREFORE ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER SPEAKING ON THEIR OWN BEHALF, UNLESS THEY HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED BY THE COMMISSION TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OR THEY ARE REPEATING SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY THE COMMISSION IN THE PAST. THAT'S TRUE. YES, THE MAYOR SPEAKS FOR THE COMMISSION. SO PER THEIR PERSONAL VIEWPOINT, SO PROCEDURAL WISE, THE MAYOR PASSES THE GAVEL TO THE VICE MAYOR. BUT AT YOUR CHOOSING, YOU COULD PASS IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE. WELL, IT WOULD BE. I CAN'T REACH THAT FAR. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. NO, I'M JUST CURIOUS. SO WHEN WE DO SELECT THE VICE MAYOR PRESEN, IT WILL BE THE VICE MAYOR WHO GETS THE GAVEL PASSED TO THEM. BUT IF THE VICE MAYOR WASN'T PRESENT, OR IF THE VICE MAYOR HAD MADE THE MOTION, AND THEN THE MAYOR WENT TO SECOND THAT MOTION, THEY COULDN'T PASS THE GAVEL TO THE VICE MAYOR BECAUSE THEY'RE THE MOTIONER. SO THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE NEXT PERSON DOWN THE LINE. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ROLL CALL PLEASE, MADAM CLERK. COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES, COMMISSIONER. COLLINS. NO.

COMMISSIONER. JOB. YES. COMMISSIONER REED. YES. MAYOR. RICH. YES. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER. JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE COMMISSIONER COLLINS BE THE VICE MAYOR FOR THE YEAR 2025. SECOND. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? SEEING NONE. ANY COMMENTS BY THE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSIONERS? YES, I DO HAVE A COMMENT. IF WE DO SELECT OUR MAYOR AND OUR VICE MAYOR TODAY, I'LL BE JUST WONDERFUL THAT WE NOW HAVE A MAYOR AND A VICE MAYOR. YES, THAT'S TRUE. IT IS SORT OF AN ODD INTERREGNUM THERE WITHOUT HAVING THE VICE MAYOR. AND I DO BELIEVE THE ORDER IS THAT COMMISSIONER COLLINS WOULD BE VICE MAYOR. IS THAT CORRECT? WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T SELECTED NORMAL ROTATION. YES. OH, YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S TRUE. HE WOULD BE SO. OKAY. NO OTHER COMMENTS. SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MADAM CLERK. OKAY. MAYO. RICH? YES. COMMISSIONER CLARK.

YES. COMMISSIONER. JOB. YES. COMMISSIONER. READ. YES. COMMISSIONER. COLLINS. YES.

CONGRATULATIONS. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. OKAY. NO SPEECH YET. OKAY. WE'LL WAIT. PROCLAMATIONS.

MR. BAGGETT, ARE YOU READY? I DON'T SEE ANY PROCLAMATIONS. OH, YOU DON'T HAVE THE. IT'S NOT IN THE FULL AGENDA FOR YOU THERE. I DON'T SERVICE AWARDS IS NEXT ON THE AGENDA. OH. I'M SORRY.

SERVICE AWARDS. RIGHT. I'M SORR. PRESENTATION. SO. THIS IS JUST ME, RIGHT, MARY? YEAH. IS MR.

[PRESENTATIONS]

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MUST BE. HE HAS TO BE READY TO GO. DUTY. HE IS ON DUTY. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT. THAT'S WHY THEY SHOW UP. IT'S HEAVY. THANK YOU. WHEN HE WAS FIVE. OKAY. THREE. TWO. ONE.

NUMBER ONE. HE RECENTLY CITED. OH. GOOD JOB. RULES APPLY TO ALL OF US. THAT'S RIGHT. I MEAN, TEN YEARS OF SERVICE. SPEECH SPEAKS. YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY? AN I'M SHOCKED BECAUSE HE'S ALWAYS GOT SOMETHING TO SAY. FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE, UTILITIES AND ENGINEERING.

MACHINE HALL.

YEAH. TELL US ABOUT MILTON. FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE. UTILITIES AND ENGINEERING. JOSE ORTEGA. OH.

GOT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHAIR. WE'LL PRACTICE THAT NEXT TIME. THANK YOU. GOOD PRACTICE.

IN OUR SPEECH. IT'S KIND OF UNUSUAL. WE DIDN'T HAVE 25. NOBODY GOT HIRED IN DECEMBER.

[COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS]

THAT'S ALL. THEN. AS IT RELATES TO THE STANKOVICH. I DON'T KNOW THAT HE SUBMITTED A COMPLETE APPLICATION AT THIS POINT AT DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR STILL HASN'T SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT.

YEAH. ISN'T HE GOING BEFORE THE BOARD OF MAGISTRATES? HE. IT'S COMING UP AGAIN. BUT HE'S.

THAT'S FAIRLY COMMON. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, JERRY KUGLER. I'M THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. MR. STANKOVIC IS. APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.

IT WAS SUBMITTED ON THE LAST DAY OF WHEN HE WAS SUPPOSED TO OBTAIN THE PERMIT. HE IS STILL IN AN INCOMPLETENESS STATUS AS OF TODAY. AND HE'S ALSO GOING TO THE MAGISTRATE ON THE 18TH OF THIS MONTH. THANK YOU. JODY. THANK YOU. SO THOSE ARE PUBLIC MEETINGS, COMMISSIONER REED, YOU

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JOB. I JUST WANTED TO SAY HAPPY HOLIDAY AND A MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL OF THOSE HERE IN STUART. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING INVOLVED AND COMING TO THE MEETINGS, BEING ONLINE, SENDING EMAILS. I TRY TO ANSWER AT LEAST 95% OF THEM, AND I JUST WANTED TO THANK EVERYONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER COLLINS. YES, I JUST WANTED TO PUBLICLY THANK CHIEF TUMINELLI AND THE STUART POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR QUICK RESPONSE TO AN INCIDENT THAT TOOK PLACE ON THURSDAY AFTERNOON AT MY HOME. I WASN'T GOING TO DISCUSS THIS AND I HAVEN'T WITH SIMILAR PREVIOUS INCIDENTS BECAUSE THEY INVOLVED MY HOME AND MY FAMILY. BUT NOW THAT IT'S BEEN LEAKED AND MADE PUBLIC, I WILL ADDRESS IT PUBLICLY WITH THIS COMMISSION VOTING ON IMPORTANT ISSUES LIKE BRIGHT LINE AND THE ZONING AND PROGRESS THAT HAVE FINANCIAL AND LONG TERM COMPLICATIONS IMPLICATIONS. I MEAN, INDIVIDUALS FEELING DISENFRANCHIZED FROM THE LAST ELECTION, ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS ON FORMER PRESIDENTS. THE STAKES ARE VERY HIGH LATELY, AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THEIR FAMILIES TO BE SAFE. WHAT IS ALSO TRUE IS IT'S IMPORTANT FOR INDIVIDUALS TO BE ABLE TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE DECISIONS WE'RE MAKING, AND THIS CHAMBER IS WHERE THAT SHOULD HAPPEN. IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO DRIVE BY THE HOME OF PUBLIC OFFICIALS WITH THE INTENT TO INTIMIDATE, REPEATEDLY MAKING SLOW PASSES BY WITH YOUR PHONE HANGING OUT OF THE WINDOW OF YOUR CAR AND FILMING MY HOME FROM THE FOOT OF MY DRIVEWAY WITH MY SMALL CHILDREN PLAYING. THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE. SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SAY YOU'VE SIGNED UP FOR THIS.

THE FIVE OF YOU HAVE SIGNED UP FOR THIS. YOU ARE PUBLIC OFFICIALS. BUT EVEN IF I DISAGREE WITH YOU OVER BRIGHT LINE PAYING 50% OR ZONING CODE, WE ARE STILL HUMAN BEINGS UP HERE, AND I'D LIKE TO IMAGINE THAT IF IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND. YOU MIGHT FEEL THE SAME WAY. HOW WOULD IT AFFECT YOUR WIFE AND YOUR CHILDREN? HOW WOULD YOU FEEL HAVING YOUR SIX YEAR OLD DAUGHTER ASKING YOU, WHAT WAS THAT MAN DOING? WHAT WOULD YOU DO? HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND? EVEN THE MOB DOES NOT MESS WITH THE WIFE AND KIDS. SO I'M THANKFUL TO OUR CHIEF AND THAT IN THE CITY OF STUART, WE PROTECT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. NOT BECAUSE COMMISSIONERS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYBODY ELSE, BUT THEY AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE AT A HIGHER RISK DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE DECISIONS THAT THEY MAKE. SO I DON'T EXPECT A PATROL CAR TO BE PARKED AT THE FOOT OF MY DRIVEWAY 24 OVER SEVEN. BUT WHEN THERE IS A POTENTIAL THREAT, LIKE WHEN THIS INDIVIDUAL ATTEMPTED THEIR THIRD PASS TO MY HOUSE AND WITH CHIEF ON SPEAKERPHONE, I CONFRONTED THIS INDIVIDUAL BY NAME. SINCE HE'S BEEN COMMENTING AT OUR MEETINGS AND ASKED HIM PRETTY OBVIOUS QUESTIONS LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? TAKING PICTURES OF MY HOUSE WITH MY KIDS OUT FRONT. WHAT ARE YOU DOING AT MY HOME? WHAT DOES MY FAMILY HAVE TO DO WITH COMMISSION BUSINESS? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? AND CHIEF OVERHEARD THIS INDIVIDUAL REPLY BECAUSE YOU ARE MESSING WITH MY BUSINESS AND MY FAMILY AND ACTED DECISIVELY, DISPATCHING POLICE TO DE-ESCALATE AND BEGIN INVESTIGATING THE INCIDENT. SO AGAIN, I'M THANKFUL FOR CHIEF.

OUR STUART PD, SHERIFF SNYDER, AND THE MARTIN COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. IT SHOULD NOT TAKE SOMEBODY GETTING HURT FOR THIS KIND OF THING TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. AND IN THIS INSTANCE, THANKFULLY TO GOD, NOBODY WAS. SO THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CLARK. THANK YOU. THANKS. I'M GLAD THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I'M GLAD THAT HE WASN'T HURT OR ANYTHING. WELL, I'M JUST SAYING I WAS JUST RESPONDING TO COMMISSIONER COLLINS, AND I'M GLAD THAT HE'S SAFE IN HERE AND EVERYTHING IS FINE. OKAY, SO MISS LAYLA WASN'T HERE FOR THE ARTS MOMENT TODAY BECAUSE APPARENTLY SHE'S SICK. BUT AS WITH PROVIDENCE, WOULD HAVE IT, I STILL HAVE MY SANTA HAT FROM THE CHRISTMAS PARADE. AND THIS IS OUR LAST MEETING FOR THE MONTH. AND I HAVE A DEAR FRIEND

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AND I HOPE THAT WE WILL JUST CONTINUE WITH OUR TRADITIONS OF COLLEGIALITY AND CONTINUE TO MAKE OUR CITY SHINE AND FOR EACH OF US TO WORK TOGETHER TO REPRESENT OUR CITY AND TO JUST BE GOOD LEADERS, I THINK. SKIBA SORRY, REVEREND SKIBA SAID IT WELL WHEN HE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, HE'S PRAYING FOR US AS LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY. SO CONGRATULATIONS, COMMISSIONER COLLINS. AND VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER RICH. MAYOR, CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO YOUR REMARKS CONCERNING COLLEGIALITY AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT WE SHOW DEFERENCE AND COURTESY TO EACH OTHER UP HERE, BECAUSE AT THIS TIME OF YEAR, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TOGETHER IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY. AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SHOW TO THEM THAT WE CAN GET ALONG. AND, YOU KNOW, WE REPRESENT THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY, AND WE ALL SHARE THE BEST, OUR BEST HOPES FOR THE CITY. SO WE ALL WENT ON A LITTLE TIKI TAXI, WHICH IS RIGHT OFF THE DOCK HERE, WHICH IT SEEMS CORNY, BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT, IT'S ABSOLUTELY ADORABLE. IT IS SO MUCH FUN AND I'M SOMEONE WHO HAS SPENT HIS ENTIRE LIFE ON THE WATER AND BOATS HERE IN STUART, AND EVEN I ENJOY THAT, SO PLEASE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. IT'S THAT WAS VERY ENJOYABLE, EVEN ON A VERY WINDY NIGHT. THEN I WAS VERY GLAD TO SEE. DID ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS SHOW UP AT THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTINGS? I BELIEVE WE WERE ALL THERE, RIGHT? YES, I WASN'T THERE. COMMISSIONER REED. COMMISSIONER REED WAS NOT THERE. OKAY, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER REED, BUT I COULD NOT BELIEVE HOW MANY FAMILIES AND YOUNG CHILDREN THERE ARE IN THIS COMMUNITY. I I'M SHOCKED BY IT. HOW MANY YOUNG CHILDREN ARE IN THIS COMMUNITY NOW? AND IT'S. IT'S DELIGHTFUL. ABSOLUTELY. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE DID THE CHRISTMAS PARADE, WHICH IS A REMARKABLE EFFORT THAT THE CHIEF AND THE CITY PULLS OFF AND PULLS OFF SAFELY. AND AGAIN, THERE ARE JUST SO MANY FAMILIES AND CHILDREN LINING THE SITE. IT'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TRY TO DESCRIBE THIS AS AN OLDER COMMUNITY. BOY, WE I JUST DON'T SEE THAT MUCH EVIDENCE OF IT DURING THESE EVENTS. SO IN THAT CONTEXT, THE DAY AFTER THE CHRISTMAS PARADE, I GOT A PHONE CALL, UNFORTUNATELY, FROM DOCTOR SINGH, WHO HEADS CLEVELAND CLINIC, AND HE I THANK HIM FOR THIS, BUT HE HAD TO CONVEY THE BAD NEWS THAT THEY ARE CLOSING THE DELIVERY CENTER HERE AT NORTH. AND SO ALL THE DELIVERIES ARE NOW GOING TO HAVE TO GO UP

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[COMMENTS BY CITY MANAGER]

OBVIOUSLY, THE CALENDAR FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. AND SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR TONIGHT. I DID WANT TO MENTION THERE WAS WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT LATER IN THE AGENDA, BUT I WAS CONTACTED BY A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHOSE NAMES WERE WITHDRAWN FOR APPLICATION FOR APPOINTMENT TO BOARDS. BUT WE'LL ADDRESS THAT IN THE AGENDA ITEM. YES, MAYOR. WELL, THAT WAS BRIEF WITH REGARD TO DOCTOR SINGH. IN CLOSING, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO AS A BOARD, MAYBE A LETTER, SEEING AS THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT SERVES OUR AREA OF ETERNITY. THAT IS A VERY BIG DEAL. IF I KNOW IT'S A PRIVATE COMPANY, THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR HOSPITAL. BUT FORMALLY, AS A BOARD, COULD WE, YOU KNOW, WRITE A LETTER OR REQUEST THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER THE NEEDS OF THIS COMMUNITY AND THE MOTHERS AND FAMILIES? WELL, CERTAINLY WE CAN. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE. COMMISSIONER COLLINS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MUNICIPALITY TOWARDS HEALTH CARE. THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM JUST IN STUART OR JUST IN FLORIDA. IT IS. HEALTH CARE IS IN CRISIS FROM THE VIEWPOINT OF THE PROVIDERS, FROM THE DOCTORS, THE NURSES. I, I WOULD MAYBE ENCOURAGE YOU TO SPEAK TO HIM FIRST PRIVATELY AND JUST TO GET A SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, HIS THOUGHTS AND HOW HIS THAT VERY, VERY BIG, BIG COMPANY IS OPERATING. BUT IF YOU FEEL THAT IT CAN BE EFFECTIVE, I MEAN, I'M NOT ADVERSE TO ALONG THOSE LINES. I'D BE HAPPY DOING ALL WE CAN. I'D BE HAPPY TO DRAFT AND BRING BACK A LETTER, MORE OF AN INQUIRY AND ASKING HIM, IS THERE ANYTHING THE CITY OF STUART CAN DO TO MAINTAIN THE FACILITY FACILITY IN STUART AS IT IS? FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS A HUGE EXPANSION OF THE HOSPITAL AND WHEN IT TOOK PLACE, TO CALL IT CONTROVERSIAL WOULD BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT. AND SECONDLY, I MEAN THE IDEA THAT NOBODY'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS GOING TO SAY STUART FLORIDA ANYMORE SEEMS KIND OF WEIRD. BUT A BIG PROBLEM IS HIRING OBS. AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE FLORIDA INSURANCE CRISIS. SO YOU KNOW IT. JUST AS A REPRESENTATIVE, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE HUMANS THAT LIVE HERE, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, TO SEND THAT SEND A LETTER AT LEAST AND ASK, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO OR, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'D BE SURE SOMETHING. MR. MAYOR, COMMISSIONER, YOU WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HAVE INPUT INTO THAT. WHILE WE CERTAINLY CAN'T TELL CLEVELAND CLINIC WHAT TO DO, BUT THEY COULD HAVE OPTIONS BECAUSE WHAT WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS THE PRENATAL CARE. AND THAT WILL NOT BE HERE EITHER. SO MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THEY COULD DO ON A MOBILE BASIS WHERE PEOPLE, WOMEN HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY WOULD AT LEAST HAVE PRENATAL CARE, EVEN IF THEY HAD TO GO OUT TO TRADITION FOR THE ACTUAL DELIVERY OF THE BABY. WELL, SAMANTHA SUFFRAGIST. YEAH, I'M TRYING TO DO THAT WITH THE MOBILE. MOBILE MOTHER, MOM MOBILE MACHINE, WHATEVER IT IS.

IS THAT PART OF. SO I HUNG UP. NOT NOT PART OF CLEVELAND. NO, BUT I HUNG UP TO START. I HUNG

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WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? DOULAS. DOULAS? YEAH. THAT'S WHO'S PRIMARILY CONCERNED IN CASE THEY HAVE TO TRANSPORT. RIGHT. THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO SAINT LUCIE. RIGHT. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. WHICH IS NOT FAR IF YOU'RE IN PALM CITY. RIGHT. BUT NOT THE CITY IN A IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, A MOM IS BLEEDING OR EVERY ONE OF THOSE MINUTES IS VERY BELIEVE ME, MY FAMILY IS WELL AWARE OF THAT. OKAY. ANY CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA, TO

[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (Non-Agenda Related) (3 Minutes Max.)]

OKAY. ROBERT HAMILTON. DID WE GET APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA OR JUST THE CONSENT CALENDAR? NO, WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. YEAH, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT YET. ALL YOU DID WAS APPROVE THE AGENDA. WE APPROVED THE AGENDA, THOUGH. I THOUGHT IT WAS THE CONSENT CALENDAR THAT WAS PART OF IT. I'M SORRY, MR. HAMILTON. GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. A LITTLE UPDATE ON THE CHURCH ISSUES. WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. THOSE LADIES EXCUSE ME, MR. HAMILTON, CAN YOU EITHER SPEAK UP OR MOVE THE THING AROUND? I CAN'T, THE MIC ISN'T DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO TODAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YEAH, OKAY. WE HAD OUR MEETING WITH THE STATE PRESERVATION BOARD AND THE LATEST FROM THEM. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE. AND THERE WAS HEADWAY MADE, WHICH BASICALLY IT REFERS BACK TO DECEMBER OF 2023, WHEN THE CITY ASKED FOR ADVICE FROM THE STATE, AND THEY RECOMMENDED THE RECOMMENDATIONS. EVERYTHING HAD TO MATCH AND BE THE SAME. SO THEN TIME GOES ON. FIVE MONTHS LATER, THE DAMAGE IS DONE. I SENT AN EMAIL AND I SENT AN EMAIL ON FRIDAY, JULY 19TH, 2024, 10:17 A.M. TO PANEL AND SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE. I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE AT THE MEETING YESTERDAY, MISS GANDY THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY, LAUGHING AT OLGA AND I SAYING THAT SHE RESPONDED TO EVERY EMAIL. HERE'S THE EMAIL RIGHT HERE. BUT WE CAN LET THAT GO. THAT'S JUST BUSINESS. SO THEN WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THIS LETTER AND EVERYTHING GETS RILED UP? IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT THAT WAY, TO MAKE IT EASIER. NOVEMBER 22ND OF 2024. THE STATE OF FLORIDA AGAIN REITERATED WHAT THEY SAID IN 23. BUT WHY? BECAUSE OLGA AND I FILED A COMPLAINT WITH THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL AND THE FLORIDA COMMERCE DEPARTMENT. THEY MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY TO CONTACT TALLAHASSEE. TALLAHASSEE SAYS, BASICALLY, WE TOLD YOU THIS IN DECEMBER OF 23. SO MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN THAT, WE ARE GETTING THROUGH THAT. AND THAT IS THE TRUTH. BUT I WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH THIS, TO BE LAUGHED AT. I CAN DEAL WITH IT,

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NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT BECAUSE BASICALLY THIS GUTTER COMPANY IS IN MY NEIGHBOR BACK YARD. I HAVE WENT DOWN THERE ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS TO LET THEM KNOW YOU ALL ARE MAKING TOO MUCH NOISE FIRST THING IN THE MORNING. WHY DID Y'ALL ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN? WHY? WE NEED AN ANSWER. I WANT AN ANSWER BECAUSE WE DESERVE AN ANSWER. GOD GAVE Y'ALL A RESPONSIBILITY TO CARRY OUT THE LAW OF THE LAND, NOT DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. GOD GAVE YOU A RESPONSIBILITY. I KEEP TELLING YOU THAT OVER AND OVER BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU SOMETHING FOR YOUR OWN GOOD. GOD GAVE YOU A RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, BUT TO DO WHAT HE PUT YOU THERE TO DO. AND I CAN SAY, YOU ARE NOT DOING THAT BECAUSE WE ARE BEING OVERLOOKED IN THE EAST COMMUNITY AND WE ARE TIRED OF IT. ALBERT, WHAT STREET IS IT ON? MLK AND CENTRAL AVENU? I'M THINKING THEY WAS DOING SOME WORK THERE. I'M SEEING THE TRUCK. NEXT THING I KNOW YOU DONE MOVED IN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THAT. NOW YOU TELL ME WHICH ONE OF YOU ALL WOULD ALLOW THAT IN YOUR RESIDENCE. IT'S NEITHER ONE OF YOU. BUT YOU ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN IN THE EAST STUART COMMUNITY. IT'S TIME FOR Y'ALL TO START PAYING ATTENTION TO US BECAUSE WE ARE PART OF STUART. WE ARE TIRED OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO THE EAST OF THE COMMUNITY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AN ANSWER TO THAT BECAUSE THAT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO THE EAST STUART COMMUNITY TO ALLOW A GUTTER COMPANY. AND THAT'S RIGHT IN MY NEIGHBOR BACK YARD, LITERALLY, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS NOISE EVERY DAY. AND THAT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO THE EAST.

STUART COMMUNITY. AND Y'ALL LISTEN TO THOSE PEOPLE. Y'ALL JUST GOT THROUGH SPEAKING.

LISTEN TO THOSE PEOPLE. THANK YOU. THEY SPEAK INSULTING THE TRUTH. AND I COULD AND I COULD IDENTIFY TO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. ALBERT I WANTED TO SAY ONE THING IS I AGREE WITH YOU NOT TO. I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO BACK AND FORTH, BUT THIS IS MY MAJOR CONTENTION WITH THOSE PARCELS THAT ARE INSIDE THAT INTERIOR ONLY BEING ALLOWED TO BE SINGLE FAMILY HOME UNLESS THEY COME IN FRONT OF US WITH COMMISSION ACTION. CURRENTLY, IF IT'S WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT LOOKING AT MIKE'S MAP HERE, THAT'S ON MLK. SO THAT'S THAT ZONED COMMERCIAL. SO PROTECTING THE INTERIOR FROM THAT KIND OF A THING HAPPENING IS WHY WE'RE DOING. IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING WITHIN THE ZONING AND PROGRESS TONIGHT AS WELL. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT AGAIN, I REITERATE THAT SITUATION THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED NOWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY OF STUART AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED NOWHERE ELSE IN THIS CITY OF STUART AND THAT'S DISRESPECTFUL

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THAT WAS IN MAY. I BROUGHT SOMETHING FOR EACH ONE OF YOU. THIS WENT INTO THE 11TH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS TODAY. WE HAVE BEEN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN UPDATED, BUT THE FEDERAL COURT HAS GIVEN US AN ATTORNEY APPOINTED, AN ATTORNEY FOR US, WHICH IS VERY EXCITING. SO I HAVE SOMETHING HERE FOR EACH ONE OF YOU. IT WAS WHAT WENT IN THE FILING TODAY AND THANK YOU, SIR.

AND YEAH, YOU SHOULDN'T BE SPEAKING TO HER WITHOUT HER ATTORNEY PRESENT, RIGHT? YEAH.

ANYWAY, JUST TODAY, AFTER. CAN I JUST INTERRUPT YOU FOR ONE MOMENT? AFTER? I'M SORRY. JUST HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CASE IS ABOUT. WHAT IS THE CASE ABOUT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE CASE ABOUT EULA CLARKE. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU JUST GAVE US. SPEAKING TO US WITHOUT YOUR LAWYER PRESENT. I JUST I DID THIS BEFORE I ACCEPTED HER TO BE MY LAWYER. JUST SO I DIDN'T BREAK ANY RULES. THANK YOU. YES. I HAVE NO PROBLEM. OKAY. NO PROBLEM AT ALL. SO WHY DON'T YOU ALL TAKE SOME TIME AND READ WHAT THE FACTS OF THE CASE ARE? HOW YOU HAVE BEEN SNOWED BY. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY MORTEL, BUT I'M SAYING MORTEL AND THEN I HOPE EVERYBODY HAS A HAPPY HOLIDAY HUG. SOMYUREK ALSO. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND READ THIS AND QUIT PRETENDING YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S ABOUT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MISS ROACH SAID ABOVE. MARK BRECHBILL YOU HAVE TO COME TO US NOW. I GOT ONE, I WANT TO JUST READ IT. HERE, LET ME. NOW, MR. BRECHBILL, THANK YOU. MARK BRECHBILL, 406 SOUTHEAST FINNEY DRIVE, STUART, FLORIDA, 34996. I MOVED FURTHER OUT. NUMBER SIX.

BUT I REALLY I HAVE ONE COMMENT AND THEN ANOTHER COMMENT THAT CAME UP AFTER THE FACT. BUT THE FIRST COMMENT WAS OR THE SECOND COMMENT IS I'M GOING TO SAY IT FIRST IS THAT I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU, I VOLUNTEER LIKE THE REST OF YOU. I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU SHOULD HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR FAMILY, YOUR PROPERTY, OR YOUR LIFE OR OR YOUR WELL-BEING BEING THREATENED AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WE TALK ABOUT BEING COGNIZANT OF BEING RESPECTFUL OF OTHERS. THAT INCLUDES NOT PICKING PEOPLE OUT ON THE DAIS TO PICK ON INDIVIDUALLY. THAT'S WHY WE DON'T ALLOW THAT. AND I THINK THAT WE ALL NEED TO DO BETTER ON THAT. IT IS OUR PERSONAL STUFF. WE ALL WORRY ABOUT IT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO US. I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT IT'S WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE TO FEAR TO VOLUNTEER. AND SO THAT'S JUST WHAT I THINK THAT THAT WAS MY COMMENT. THE SECOND COMMENT HAD TO DO WITH THE CONVERSATION RELATIVE TO THE HOSPITAL AND MATERNITY. AND I AGREE, 100%. THAT'S A MAJOR SERVICE TO LOSE FROM STUART. BUT WHAT ABOUT GOOD OLD COMPETITION? WHY DON'T WE CONTACT JUPITER HOSPITAL AND SAY, HEY, THERE'S A CERTIFICATE OF NEED HERE THAT'S NOT BEING FILLED FOR A MATERNITY AND OR AND SEE IF THEY WANT TO COME INTO STUART AND FILL THAT. I THINK THEY MIGHT LOOK AT THAT. LET'S PUT GOOD OLD COMPETITION TO WORK HERE AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME. SOMEBODY WHO DOES WANT TO BE IN STUART ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MARK. I HAVE LILY PRICE. WITH YOU AROUND ME. LILY PRICE, 2574 WINDS DRIVE. STUART. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, COMMISSIONER CLARK AND CITY MANAGER MARTELL. I'M HERE TODAY TO EXPRESS SERIOUS CONCERNS REGARDING A RECENT INCIDENT WHERE MY HUSBAND WAS STOPPED BY THE FULL FORCE OF THE STUART POLICE DEPARTMENT SIMPLY FOR DRIVING DOWN A PUBLIC ROAD. I DON'T KNOW, BUT FIVE MARKED VEHICLES AND ADDITIONAL 3 TO 4 UNMARKED UNDERCOVER WHITE VEHICLES. DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE TO YOU? AND WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE INVOLVED, REALLY? IS HE PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE IN THIS CASE, IT

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WELL, YOU HAVEN'T CALLED ME. WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE AN ARRANGEMENT. COMMISSIONER REED HAS THE DECENCY TO TAKE MY CALLS. OKAY, LET ME FINISH. HE CALLED ME. THIS WILL WILL NOT DESCEND INTO NAME CALLING. AND ALL OF THIS. THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO THIS STORY. YOU CAN MEET WITH COMMISSIONER COLLINS. YOU CAN PUT YOUR SIDE ON TO FACEBOOK. AND IF THIS WHOLE COMMISSION IS NOT THE VENUE FOR THAT, WE CAN ALSO BE CIRCUS LIKE. WHY SHOULD IT ONLY BE YOU THAT CAN CREATE A CIRCUS? PATEL. MR. PATEL, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO STAND AWAY FROM THE PODIUM. WE CAN SORT THIS OUT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. NOT IN THIS VENUE AND NOT IN COMMISSIONER JOB. SORRY. YOU HAVE TO DO VICE MAYOR EVERYTHING BECAUSE YOU ACCUSED ME OF THE SAME. COMMISSIONER. I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW MR. PATEL. MR. PATEL, I'M SORRY. WE CANNOT HURT ME. THE DAY YOU TOLD ME THAT, IT HURT MY CHARACTER. BUT I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ELSE. ASK THE POLICE TO INTERRUPT. SO IF YOU COULD WRAP IT UP. YEAH. MAYOR, I HAVE NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. MOVING ON. DO WE HAVE A

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

AND OF COURSE, OUR MINUTES. I SECOND THE MOTION. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOB. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, SEEING NONE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSIONER. SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THAT'S THE END OF

[6. APPOINTMENT OF ALTERNATE CODE ENFORCEMENT MAGISTRATES (RC): RESOLUTION No. 124-2024; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA APPOINTING GEMMA TORCIVIA AND BRETT T. LASHLEY AS CODE ENFORCEMENT MAGISTRATES; AND CONFIRMING THE TERMS OF APPOINTMENT; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

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SO THESE ARE TWO NEW ALTERNATES BECAUSE WE HAD THREE TOTAL AND THE OTHER TWO HAVE DECLINED TO DO ANY FURTHER MAGISTRATE HEARINGS. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH.

BECAUSE YOU WILL SEE MR. NICOLETTI MIGHT NOT HAVE DONE A GOOD THING. SO YOU KNOW, THE OTHER TWO WILL PROBABLY BE BETTER. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE. YES. THANKS. I THINK WHEN MR. BAGGETT OR CITY ATTORNEY INTRODUCED THIS ITEM, HE SAID THAT HE WAS FAMILIAR WITH ONE OF THE PEOPLE I AM ALSO FAMILIAR WITH, ONE OF THE CANDIDATES. I DON'T KNOW THE OTHER PERSON, BUT APPARENTLY THEY'RE BOTH PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN ACTING, AND I KNOW THAT I READ IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WHEN I READ IT, IT WAS A PART OF JUST MR. OR IF IT WAS BOTH OF THEM THAT WOULD TAKE THE SAME RATE PER HOUR. AND I WAS GLAD THAT THE RATE PER HOUR WAS GOOD AND REASONABLE RATE. AND I IT SEEMS LIKE THERE HASN'T BEEN A RATE CHANGE IN A LONG TIME, BUT THEY'RE BOTH GOING TO RECEIVE THE SAME RATE PER HOUR, MR. BAGGETT. YEAH, ALL OF THEM RECEIVED THE SAME RATE. OKAY. THANK YOU. DOLLARS PER HOUR.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. HOW MUCH? $200 PER HOUR. OKAY. THANK YOU. LEE, I GOT A QUESTION. WHEN IT COMES TO PICKING THE MAGISTRATE FOR THE BOARD HEARINGS, HOW IS THAT PROCESS DONE? IF YOU HAVE THREE OPTIONS. WELL, FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S BEEN MR. NICOLETTI SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

BECAUSE THE OTHER TWO HAVE NOT BEEN AVAILABLE. SO. BUT THEN WE'VE RECENTLY HAD THE OPTION OR THE EVENT CAME UP WHERE MR. NICOLETTI WAS NOT AVAILABLE, AND WE WERE LEFT WITH NOBODY. SO THAT'S WHY I FELT THE NEED TO COME FORWARD WITH SOME ADDITIONAL I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IF WE DO IT ON A ROTATIONAL BASIS OR A ROTATIONAL SYSTEM OF SOME SORT, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY THOUGHT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEEN THE HISTORY. I MEAN, FOR ME, THEY ONLY GET PAID IF THEY SERVE, RIGHT? CORRECT. HE'S MAKING A. YEAH, BUT IF IT WAS ROTATIONAL THEN IT'S ONE, TWO THREE, ONE, TWO THREE. IF THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE, YOU MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE IN LINE.

YEAH. MR. MR. SCHEDULE. IT'S COMPLICATED TO ROTATE IT BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE MR. STANKOVIC COME AND ANOTHER MAGISTRATE HAS HEARD IT, WHAT WE DID IN THE PAST WAS WE HAD A PRIMARY MAGISTRATE, AND IN THE EVENT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE ABSENT DURING A MEETING, WE WOULD HAVE ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE AVAILABLE. IT WAS. MR. BAIRD WAS ORIGINALLY THE MAGISTRATE FROM JUPITER, BUT HE'S NO LONGER AVAILABLE TO DO THE SERVICE THAT MAKES SENSE, THOUGH, TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S FAMILIAR WITH THE CASE TO FOLLOW IT THROUGH. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I AGREE, THANK YOU. I HAVE NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. OKAY, ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER. READ. YES, VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. JOB. YES, MAYOR.

[7. ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER APPOINTMENTS / RATIFICATION OF TERMS (RC): RESOLUTION No. 126-2024; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPOINTING AND RATIFYING THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS AND ADOPTING THE MEMBER TERMS FOR THE 2025 CALENDAR YEAR; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

RESOLUTION NUMBER 126, DASH 2024, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPOINTING AND RATIFYING THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS AND ADOPTING THE MEMBER TERMS FOR THE 2025 CALENDAR YEAR, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. THERE'S SOMEONE FROM STAFF WHO WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS, OR PRETTY

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THIS IS JUST THE ADVISORY, JUST THE ADVISORY COMMISSION. RIGHT. OKAY. THIS IS JUST IF IT'S ALL THE ADVISORY BOARDS ALSO, IT'S A RATIFICATION OF THE COMMISSIONERS APPOINTMENTS THAT SHOULD BE LISTED AS THE EXHIBITS. LIKE YOU'LL SEE THE ADVISORY SPREADSHEET. BUT I KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO BE APPOINTING SOMEONE ELSE. MR. KEN PENNY HAS WITHDRAWN HIS NAME FROM THE CRB BOARD. AND MR. HERNANDEZ ON THE CRB BOARD NEVER SUBMITTED ANY APPLICATION, SO WE MAY HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK AS MARY. DID YOU EVER GET ANYTHING FROM MR. HERNANDEZ? NOT SO. YES OR NO? N, NO. OKAY. SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE DID DO IT THREE TIMES, BUT FOR SOME REASON THE COMPUTER.

OKAY. YEAH. WELL, WE COULD DO IS WE COULD JUST READ THE COMPANY'S NAME AND HERNANDEZ'S NAME, AND I ALSO BELIEVE DUET PRICE HAD ALSO WITHDRAWN HIS NAME. IS THAT CORRECT? MARY? NOT OFFICIALLY TO ME. I'VE ONLY HEARD THAT, MR. CLARK. YES, MR. PEREZ HAS SAID THAT HE WILL NOT. HE HAS SENT ME A NOTE, I THINK. BUT I ALSO HAVE A NEW CANDIDATE. REVEREND JAMES WAS HERE TODAY. BUT WE CAN'T.

WE? DUE PROCESS WOULD PREVENT US FROM RATIFYING A NEW NAME TODAY BECAUSE WE PUT THE NAME ON IT.

I'M JUST. HE'S PUTTING IN AN APPLICATION. SO WHAT? I'M ASKING THE BOARD TO DO IS APPROVE THE SLATE THAT'S LISTED AS THE 25 ADVISORY BOARDS WITH VACANCY FOR MR. HERNANDEZ, VACANCY FOR MR. PRICE AND VACANCY FOR MR. PENNY. BECAUSE THOSE NAMES WILL EITHER NEED TO BE REPLACED OR VETTED.

HOW WOULD THAT WORK WITH THE AT LARGE AT LARGE CRA? BECAUSE I KNOW THE CRA ROBIN CARTWRIGHT HAD PUT HER HER NAME, THOUGH SHE WITHDREW HER NAME TODAY. BUT EVEN SO, THERE'S NO CRA. YOU GUYS DON'T APPOINT THE TWO CRA AT LARGE. THOSE ARE AT LARGE. CRB APPOINTMENTS AND THEN THE CRB VOTES TO HAVE TWO REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CRB COME TO THE CRA MEETINGS. SO EFFECTIVELY, THE NEXT CRB MEETING IN JANUARY, THEY WILL VOTE ON WHOEVER THE TWO CRB REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE CRA ARE GOING TO BE. SO DO WE HAVE ANY? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE RUNNING FOR THAT CRB SPOT? THE MR. PENNY IS VACATING? I HAVE NOT I'M NOT AWARE AND NOR IS THERE ANYBODY SO THE CRB SPOT IS A IS A AT LARGE OR A SO WHEN IT WHEN HIS NAME DOESN'T GET RATIFIED TONIGHT CORRECT. THEN A VACANCY WILL CREATE. AND I'LL SEND AN EMAIL TO THE COMMISSION FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO PUT A NAME OF SOMEBODY THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN COMING TO THE MEETING NEXT MONTH AND SERVE, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM, AND THEN IT WOULD TAKE A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION RIGHT TO THAT TO APPOINT THE CRB BOARD. CORRECT? CORRECT. SO WE'LL HAVE TWO EAST STUART HISTORICAL POSITIONS THAT ARE VACANT. YES. THE THOSE POSITIONS WON'T BE FILLED UNTIL THE CRB APPOINTS ITS NEW AT LARGE POSITIONS FOR NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN THEY CAN APPOINT THE CRB PEOPLE AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH THOSE. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE VACANCIES IN THE CRB THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT AGENDA. GOT IT. AND I WOULD ASK AS COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU COULD, IF YOU HAVE A VACANCY, TO PLEASE WAIT THE CRB WILL BE MR. BRECHBILL, BONNIE FRANK, MISS MOSER, MR. MCCRYSTAL AND IS MR. MANERA IS HE PROVIDED AN APPLICATION? HE HAS PROVIDED AN APPLICATION. I DO NOT HAVE A BACKGROUND CHECK YET, SO WE CANNOT VOTE ON HIM? NO, WE CAN VOTE ON HIM. IT JUST WILL BE. IT WOULD JUST BE CONTINGENT ON IT. THE DUE PROCESS IS PUTTING HIS NAME IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC FOR NOTICE. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE FOUR PEOPLE ON THE CRB OH BOY. FROM NOW UNTIL JANUARY. YEAH, WE'RE NOT HAVING A LOT OF CRB MEETINGS RIGHT. GOT IT. MR. BRECHBILL, IS HE STILL HERE? HE DOES IN FACT WANT YOU DO IN FACT WANT TO REMAIN ON THE OKAY, OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS

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THAT'S THE ONLY THING I SEE IS THAT WAS THE EMAIL PROVIDED TO YOU. ALBERT, YOU HAVE TO UPDATE YOUR EMAIL FOR THE EAST. STUART HISTORICAL BOARD. THANK YOU. WELL, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE ONE. MAYBE WE PUT IN A AND WARNER BOWLES IS GOING TO SERVE. YEP OKAY. HE'S GOOD. HE IS I SAT WITH HIM ON THE BOA. YEAH TWO YEARS. OKAY. WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND I BELIEVE FOR THIS.

DID I MAKE A MOTION OR DID WE. MARY. NO. DO WE NEED A MODIFICATION TO THAT MOTION SINCE WE'RE. NO, IT'S JUST A MOTION TO RATIFY THE BOARD OTHER THAN. OKAY, MR. HERNANDEZ AND MR. PENNY AND PENNY PRICE. RIGH. SO, MAYOR, I WOULD MOVE ALONG THOSE LINES WITH THOSE UPDATES THAT WE'VE JUST MENTIONED. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR COLLINS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS SLATE OF VOLUNTEERS FOR OUR BOARDS? NO.

SEEING NONE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. I THINK WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT PRETTY MUCH. YEAH.

WHEN WE MAKE MOTIONS, IF YOU COULD RESTATE THE RESOLUTION OR THE AGENDA NUMBER, IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER TO FOLLOW ALONG. THANKS, GUYS. OKAY, WE'LL BE VOTING ON COMMISSION ACTION NUMBER SEVEN ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER APPOINTMENTS. RESOLUTION NUMBER 126-2024 OKAY. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MAYOR. RICH. YES, COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES. COMMISSIONER. GIOVI. YES. VICE MAYOR. COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. READ. YES. AND I JUST ON A PERSONAL I WANT TO I'VE BEEN ON THESE BOARDS MYSELF, AND I WANT TO THANK ALL THESE PEOPLE FOR VOLUNTEERING.

THEY CAN TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME, BOTH PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND DURING THE MEETING. AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY ARE INVALUABLE. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR EFFORTS.

[8. ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY JOB DESCRIPTION AND INITIATION OF HIRING PROCESS (RC): RESOLUTION No. 127-2024; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPROVING JOB DESCRIPTION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY AND TO INITIATE THE PROCESS OF HIRING AN ENVIRONMENTAL LAWYER; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. (RC):]

AND THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THIS GOES TO ROZ AND HR. YEAH, I GUESS THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO GO TO ROZ, AND ROZ MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS OF KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU DID FOR MY JOB. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WOULD BE SOME MARKETING THAT WOULD GO OU.

TO WHAT EXTENT? I DON'T KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING MAYBE SHE COULD EXPLAIN IT. JUST THE NEXT STEPS IN THE PROCESS FROM HERE. SURE. YEAH. GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, ROZ STRONG, HR DIRECTOR.

SO ONCE THE JOB DESCRIPTION IS APPROVED, WE PUT TOGETHER A AN ADVERTISEMENT. IT'S ABOUT A FOUR PAGE DOCUMENT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER IN CANVA. SO IT'S A PROFESSIONAL LOOKING DOCUMENT THAT GOES OUT AND WE SEND IT TO SEND IT TO THE FLORIDA BAR. WE SEND IT TO SEVERAL PLACES. I GET RECOMMENDATIONS FROM BOTH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR PLACES TO ADVERTISE, INCLUDING OUR OWN WEBSITE, WHICH GETS A LOT OF TRAFFIC. WE USE A SITE CALLED GOV JOBS AND SO WE GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT WAY, A LOT OF WORD OF MOUTH. WE HAVE THE PUBLICATION AVAILABLE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO DISTRIBUTE IT. I KNOW THAT MAC IS ALSO SORT OF UNOFFICIALLY HEADHUNTING. IS THERE A WAY THAT HE COULD BE PROVIDED A LINK OR SOME KIND OF WAY TO GET THAT OUT FOR? ABSOLUTELY SURE. AND THEN ONCE THE CANDIDATES APPLY, THEY THEY COMPLETE THE STANDARD CITY APPLICATION PROTOCOLS AND ONCE THAT COMES IN, I'LL CREATE A SUMMARY OF THOSE APPLICANTS AS THEY ARRIVE INDICATING THEIR EDUCATION, THEIR LEVELS OF EXPERIENCE, SPECIFIC MATTERS THAT COME OUT OF THAT JOB DESCRIPTION. SO WE CREATE A SPREADSHEET FOR YOU, AND THEN THAT SUMMARY IS SENT TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT ARE DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION, WHOEVER IS GOING TO BE ON THAT COMMITTEE TO DO THE INTERVIEWS,

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YEAH. BUT YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE DAY THERE WERE THINGS ON APPLICATIONS THAT ARE NOT ON APPLICATIONS NOW SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, DRIVER'S LICENSE NUMBERS, THOSE THINGS ARE ALL OFF. WE ALSO BAN THE BOX. I YES. YEAH. THEY USED TO BE ON APPLICATIONS. THAT WAS A VERY STANDARD THING. SO YEAH, WE SEND OUT A REQUEST FOR AN EMPLOYMENT APPLICANT. IT SAYS STATES CLEARLY ALL THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDE PROVIDE IS PUBLIC RECORD TO ANYONE WHO SEEKS TO. YES.

IT'S ACTUALLY THERE'S A WHOLE STATEMENT ON THE END OF THE APPLICATION THAT THE CANDIDATE SIGNS AND THEY SAY, I UNDERSTAND THIS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS. SURE. SO I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO DIRECT ANYTHING TO MR. STUCKEY. HE'S NOT SPECIFICALLY IF HE WISHES THAT INFORMATION. HE CAN REQUEST IT LIKE ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 127-2024. WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR COLLINS. DO WE HAVE TO VOTE BEFORE I MAKE A STATEMENT? WELL, ONCE WE YEAH, ONCE WE HAVE ONCE WE GET A SECOND AND THEN GET PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN WE CAN DISCUSS.

I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOB. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE? MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY GREEN CARDS? I DO NOT, MAYOR. OH, OKA.

SEEING NONE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT WHERE I THOUGHT WE HAD AGREED THAT ATTORNEY STUCKEY WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS, BUT YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT HE WOULD GET ANY INFORMATION AS FROM PUBLIC RECORD, IF I CAN. SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS VICE MAYOR COLLINS SAID THAT TO GIVE MAX STUCKEY A LINK SO THAT ANY NAMES OF PEOPLE THAT HE WAS AWARE OF COULD SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATIONS ONCE THE APPLICATIONS ARE VETTED, THERE WILL BE A COMMITTEE THAT REVIEWS THOSE APPLICATIONS. AND I THINK THE PART YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE HE WAS INVOLVED IN IS THAT COMMITTEE PROCESS, NOT THE COLLECTION OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS. THANK YOU. WE CAN HELP US COLLECT MORE UNOFFICIALLY.

HE'S HELP. WELCOME TO TELL ANYBODY TO APPLY. BUT I THINK ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS EVERYTHING I HAD TO SAY. I SENT YOU IN AN EMAIL EARLIER, SO I WANTED TO SAVE YOU TIME. IT'S A LONG MEETING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. BAGGETT, MAY I SAY SOMETHING, MR. BAGGETT? OH, I DON'T KNOW. ARE YOU LOOKING? YEAH. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE NOT EVEN THE KNOWLEDGE, ABILITIES AND SKILLS THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY ESSENTIAL FUNCTION. AND I KNOW THAT IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE SOMEBODY FOR THE CITY AND WOULD WORK WITH. I WANTED TO BE SURE A COUPLE OF THINGS. ARE THEY GOING TO BE DOING ENVIRONMENTAL WORK WITH REGARD TO DEVELOPMENT REVIEW? IF WE EVER HAVE ANY DEVELOPMENT? AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, CAN WE PUT LIKE MAYBE SOME I KNOW THAT WE WANT TO KEEP IT BROAD, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME TYPE OF DELIVERABLE OR SOME TYPE OF EVEN. THIS IS A TESTING FOR US. SO IF WE HAVE A CHANCE TO SAY THAT SOMEBODY PROVIDES OR WE SEE SOMETHING GOING ON, WHETHER THEY'RE COORDINATION WITH THE LOATHSOME FOLKS OR WHATEVER IS HAPPENING SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WITHIN A YEAR WHAT IS GOING ON AND WHAT IS HAPPENING, IT WILL ALMOST BE LIKE A JOB EVALUATION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN SUSTAIN AND MAINTAIN AND MAINTAIN THIS ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY POSITION. AND IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE SPEAR IS HEADING TOWARDS THE PINPOINT OF REALLY WORKING ON THE RIVER AND WHATEVER IS NEEDED. AND IT'S NOT

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SECONDLY, I DON'T THINK THIS PERSON IS GOING TO BE TWIDDLING THEIR THUMBS. I HEAR YOU, THEY THEY IN FACT WORK FOR YOU THE WAY THIS THIS IS ALL WORKING OUT IS THIS IS ANOTHER CHARTER POSITION. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE OPEN ACCESS TO THIS PERSON. THIS IS NOT SOMEBODY BEING HIRED BY LEE OR MIKE WORKING FOR THEM. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE REAL DELIVERABLES AS YOU INTERACT WITH THIS PERSON. AS ONE OF FIVE. THEY WORKING FOR YOU. SO I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY BETTER TO STAY BROAD AND THEN SEE WHO COMES IN AND THEN LET'S TALK TO THE PEOPLE COMING IN. AND THERE, I THINK THE REAL VALUE IN THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF JOB IS THE EXPERTISE THAT WILL COME IN.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF IDEAS AND DIRECTION AND POSSIBILITIES BY INVITING THESE PEOPLE IN. SO TO HAVE FIVE OF US WITH NO ENVIRONMENTAL LAW EXPERIENCE SAYING, HERE'S YOUR DELIVERY, WE EXPECT THIS DELIVERABLE IN A YEAR. I THINK BETTER TO KEEP IT OPEN WOULD BE MY PERSPECTIVE AND LET'S SEE WHO COMES IN AND THEN AND THEN INTERVIEW THESE PEOPLE, VET THEM OUT, AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS ESTABLISH SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT SOME POINT. IF WE GET A FEW MONTHS INTO THIS AND HE OR SHE IS TWIDDLING THEIR THUMBS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SAY, LISTEN, WE NEED TO TIGHTEN THIS UP A LITTLE BIT BETTER. WE NEED TO LOOK AT HAVING SOME REAL DELIVERABLE REPORTS TO US OR SOMETHING. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? NO, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. AND BEING AN ATTORNEY YOURSELF, YOU KNOW SOMEONE'S NOT GOING TO TAKE A POSITION LIKE THIS. COME HERE AND TWIDDLE THEIR THUMBS AND THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC FOCUS, WHICH IS THE ENVIRONMENT, THE RIVER. AND THEY'RE COMING HERE TO DO THAT SPECIFIC FOCUS FOR THE CITY OF STUART. SO I THINK THAT I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER COLLINS. WE HAVE NO NEED TO PUT SUCH THINGS IN A JOB, AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WILL BE REPORTING TO THE COMMISSIONERS.

SO AT ANY POINT, IF WE WANTED TO MEET WITH THEM AND WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS, IF WE FELT THERE WAS SOMETHING LACKING, WE SHOULD, WE COULD CERTAINLY APPROACH THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST AS LONG AS WE KNOW IT'S FIVE OF US AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE A FIVE HEADED THING GOING ON WHERE, YOU KNOW, AFTER A WHILE, THIS PERSON DOESN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHICH SIDE THEY'RE TURNING. SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FOCUSED ON THIS IDEA OF. I SHARE YOUR CONCERNS, COMMISSIONER CLARK.

THE SENTENCE THAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME WAS PERFORMED DUTIES WITH BROAD LATITUDE IN DECISION MAKING AND IS SELF-DIRECTED. YEAH, THAT'S NOT I THINK WE'RE ABROGATING AT LEAST OUR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY THERE. AND CERTAINLY A PERIODIC REPORT, EVEN QUARTERLY. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT BURDENSOME. BUT TO TELL US WHAT HE'S DONE, WHERE HE'S GOING, SHE, SHE I'M SORRY.

YOU ARE CORRECT. THEY IS NOT UNREASONABLE BY ANY MEANS. AND VICE MAYOR COLLINS IS CORRECT.

WE, OF COURSE, ARE FREE TO SPEAK WITH THEM ALL THE TIME. WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THIS, I MADE TWO PRODUCTION PREDICTIONS. ONE, UNFORTUNATELY, CAME TRUE ALMOST INSTANTLY WHEN I SAID WE'RE GOING TO HAVE COMPETING INTERESTS, ESPECIALLY OUT IN OKEECHOBEE, BECAUSE THEY'RE ONE THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO GET THE WATER LEVEL DOWN BECAUSE OF THE LATERAL GRASSES. IT HAPPENED WITHIN TWO WEEKS OF ME SAYING THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS TOLD BY SOMEBODY THROUGH EMAIL THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. THEY ALSO INFORMED ME THAT MY FIGURES CONCERNING POTENTIAL COSTS HERE WERE COMPLETELY WRONG, AND I WAS TOLD THAT I WAS WRONG BY PEOPLE WHO

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SELBY. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. YES, COMMISSIONER. REED. YES. WELL, MOVING RIGHT ALONG. ITEM

[9. APPOINTMENTS OF CITY COMMISSIONERS TO COMMUNITY BOARDS (RC): RESOLUTION No. 130-2024; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, ADOPTING THE ANNUAL APPOINTMENTS OF CITY OF STUART COMMISSIONERS AS CITY REPRESENTATIVES TO SPECIFIED LOCAL COMMUNITY BOARDS FOR THE 2025 CALENDAR YEAR; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE SOMEONE ELSE CAN SERVE ON THE BOARD THAT CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THE MEETINGS, OR THAT WILL BE ABLE TO ATTEND. BUT THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A MOTION TO RATIFY THE SLATE. IN THE PAST, YOU GUYS HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND YOU KNOW, SEEM TO HASH IT OUT AND WE MOVED IT ALL AT ONE TIME. OR YOU CAN DO IT ONE POSITION AT A TIME. IT'S WHATEVER YOUR PLEASURE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE. OH, MR. MAYOR, CAN I HAVE A QUESTION? CERTAINLY. MR. MR. MARTEL, WHO WAS THE MAIN STREET REPRESENTATIVE? THE MAIN STREET REPRESENTATIVE USED TO BE JORDAN PINKSTON, BUT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS THIS YEAR, THE CITY COMMISSION VOTED THAT THEY WANTED A COMMISSIONER TO SERVE.

AND AS A RESULT, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT IT'S A ON THE SLATE. OKAY. I WANTED TO PITCH SOMEBODY IF I COULD HAVE THAT POSITION AND THEN GIVE UP THE TOURISM DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL, IF SOMEBODY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT SWITCH, I'LL TAKE THAT. BECAUSE WITH THE SAILING CENTER, WE INTERACTED WITH THEM A LOT. AND SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S A GOOD WAY TO SPEND THOSE DOLLARS. SO WE'LL DO THAT FOR YOU. VICE MAYOR. YOU'LL FALL ON THAT GRENADE. MAYOR. RICH MAN.

IS IT A GRENADE? NO, IT'S REALLY NOT. IT'S A GREAT BOARD. SO JUST SO THAT WOULD HAVE ME ON STUART MAIN STREET AND MPO. OKAY. EQUALS YOU'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO MAIN STREET. SO YEAH. MAYOR RICH. YEAH. COMMISSIONER REED, I WANT TO TALK. SO I SIT ON TWO BOARDS THAT THEY'RE BOTH IN THE MORNING. AND SOMETIMES IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO ATTEND BOTH. I HAVE NO PROBLEM SITTING ON THE MPO AND ANOTHER BOARD MAYBE IN THE AFTERNOON, BUT IT IS DIFFICULT TO BE ON TWO BOARDS THAT ARE VERY HIGH CALIBER, IN MY OPINION, AND MAKE THEM BOTH WITH ENOUGH TIME. WELL, SO I'M ALL OPEN FOR ANOTHER BOARD, BUT IT IS DIFFICULT TO SIT ON THE VICE MAYOR ATTENDS. DO YOU ATTEND THE MPO MEETINGS? YES, REGULARLY. SO MAYBE MR. ALTERNATE POSITION. YEAH, I ENJOY THE MPO REQUIRES TWO ATTENDANCE. OH IT DOES, IT DOES. IT'S A VOTE. THERE'S FIVE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, TWO CITY COMMISSIONERS. THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY AND ONE COMES OUT OF MPO.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO STAY ON THAT BOARD. THAT'S A BIG DEAL. IF COMMISSIONER REED DOESN'T I DON'T KNOW I DIDN'T KNOW I THINK THAT'S A VERY REASONABLE CONCERN HE EXPRESSES. DID YOU SAY I DID YOU WANT TO GIVE UP BOTH OF THEM OR I'D RATHER SIT ON THE MPO. AND I THINK FOR SOMEONE THAT

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SO IT'S THE BDB WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. I'LL BE ON THAT BOARD. WHICH ONE? COMMISSIONER JOB. OKAY, I'LL TAKE THAT FROM SHAWN. HAVE YOU MET THE NEW HEAD OF THE BTB? BECAUSE THIS THIS GUY'S GOT PLANS. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN EXCITING BOARD. IF YOU CAN COME TELL US WHAT. YES, I HAVE A QUESTION. WOULD SOMEONE ELSE LIKE TO BE THE ALTERNATE FOR YOU ON THE ALTERNATE FOR YOU ON THE TR, THE TC I'M I'M PRETTY GOOD BOY, I DON'T MISS I DON'T REALLY MISS. I MEAN NOW AND NOW I'M THE FIRST VICE PRESIDENT. SO WHY DON'T WE TAKE COMMISSIONER JOB OFF AS THE ALTERNATE THOUGH? BECAUSE SHE'S GOING TO BE SERVING ON THE BDB. SHE'S GOING TO BE FULL WITH THE ARTS COUNCIL IN THAT AS WELL ANYWAY. OKAY, GREAT. SO WE WON'T LIST HER AS THE ALTERNATE FOR THE TREASURE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES. WELL, I KNOW YOU SIT POISED BY YOUR PHONE EVERY MORNING. I CAN'T DO IT UNTIL I GET THAT CUP OF COFFEE IN MY HAND. I DON'T.

YEAH, YOU HAVE TO DRIVE UP TO FORT PIERCE AT THE COLLEGE. IS THERE ANY. IS THERE ANY OTHER BOARDS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS? SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOOD. I THINK WE HAVE A ARE WE GOOD? DO WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHO'S WHO AND WHERE'S WHERE? WHAT THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL IS.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY TILL 26, RIGHT? OH, YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY, GREAT. MR. MR. MARTELL, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? NO. SO IF MR. IF MR. RICH CAN'T GO TO THE LEAGUE OF CITIES, SHOULD THE VICE MAYOR GO? IF IT'S SOMETHING, LET'S SAY IF YOU'RE SICK OR SOMETHING AND THERE'S SOMETHING BIG GOING ON, HE'S ALREADY GOING TO HAVE TO GO. HE'S ALREADY GOING TO THE MPO AND THE ARE YOU VOLUNTEERING YOURSELF? YOU. NO, NO, NO, I WAS GOING TO ASK. THE THIRD WEDNESDAY IS GONE. IT'S GONE FOR ME. NO, I'M JUST WONDERING, DO I LOOK AT IT. WE'LL JUST KEEP IT BY YOURSELF I RARELY MISS. YEAH, I KNOW THAT. I KNOW THAT THAT THAT IS SOMETHING YOU COULD DO.

HE SAID HE RARELY DOES IT, SO I THINK THAT YOU COULD DO THAT. YOU CAN. WELL, I ALSO THINK THAT WE CAN WORRY ABOUT IT AT THE TIME. IF HE'S GOING TO MISS, WE CAN ASK SOMEBODY. WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE AN ASSIGNED POSITION. OKAY, GOOD. BECAUSE IT REALLY HASN'T COME UP IN THE PAST. AND YOU CAN ZOOM. YEAH, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO ZOOM. I THINK TWO MEETINGS A YEAR. SO BUT I TRY TO TRY TO GO IN PERSO. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING POSITIONS ASSIGNED? CONGRATULATIONS EVERYONE. YES. CONGRATULATIONS. GREAT LITTLE SWAP. WE DID I LIKE IT. NO I'D LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL ON RESOLUTION 130-2024. WITH THE UPDATES THAT WE'VE MADE TONIGHT REGARDING THE COMMISSION BOARD. SECOND, ARE YOU CLEAR, MADAM CLERK? OKAY, I BELIEVE SO. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR COLLINS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK FOR RESOLUTION. ITEM NUMBER NINE, RESOLUTION NUMBER 130-2024. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE? I HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. IT'S PRETTY MUCH INSIDE BASEBALL. THIS STUFF I THINK WE'VE HAD OUR DISCUSSION WOULDN'T YOU AGREE? WE'RE GOOD TO GO. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MADAM CLERK.

COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES, COMMISSIONER. READ. YES, COMMISSIONER. JOBY. YES, VICE MAYOR. COLLINS. YES, MAYOR. RICH. YES. AND FINALLY, THE LAST COMMISSION ACTION, NUMBER TEN,

[10. IMPLEMENTATION OF ZONING IN PROGRESS RECOMMENDATIONS (RC): RESOLUTION No. 128-2024, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA TO DIRECT STAFF ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ZONING IN PROGRESS AMENDING CERTAIN CHAPTERS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AS OUTLINED IN EXHIBIT “A” ATTACHED; PROVIDING AN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

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SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND HANDLE THIS. WE HAVE AN EXHIBIT A THAT'S ATTACHED THAT WE BASICALLY PUT STAFF GOT TOGETHER AND TOOK OUR NOTES AND TRIED TO IDENTIFY THE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED BY THE BOARD OR CHANGED BY STAFF FOR THE NEXT MEETING, OR FOR THE BY WAY OF ORDINANCE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN YOU MIGHT THINK, BECAUSE AS WE DO, THE AS AS WE GOT INTO IT, WE REALIZED THAT IT COULDN'T BE A SITUATION WHERE YOU VOTED ONE VOTE FOR EVERYTHING. INSTEAD, WE DETERMINED THAT WE NEED THE CITY COMMISSIONERS TO GIVE US DIRECTION AND KIND OF VOTE. SINGLE ITEM BY SINGLE ITEM, ALL THE WAY ACROSS SO THAT WE CAN KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND MOVE FORWARD ON IT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO JUST GO ONE BY ONE, TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT NOW AND HAVE IT IN ADVANCE, AND THEN GO ONE BY ONE.

OR IF YOU WANT TO GO ONE BY ONE, ALL OF THEM, AND THEN TAKE LIKE WE COULD, WE COULD GO THROUGH EACH THING, DISCUSS IT KIND OF REACH CONSENSUS AND THEN MOVE TO THE VERY END, TAKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN GO BACK THROUGH THEM AND VOTE. THAT'S FINE. BUT BUT I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, HOW WHAT DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO I. IT'S WELL BEFORE WE DECIDE THAT I. I FOUND THIS EXHIBIT TO BE VERY INADEQUATE AND TRYING TO GO THROUGH IT. TO 2.03.09 TALKS ABOUT SO DENSITY BONUS AND PARKING WAIVERS, DENSITY BONUS. AND SO THE PURPOSE. BUT PARKING WAIVERS ARE NOT IN THERE BUT 2.03. CAN I JUST FINISH MY LIST. THANK YOU. 2.0 3.10 VERSUS I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT MEANS.

2.04.0 TIES LOTS. THERE'S 30 REFERENCES TO LOTS IN THAT ORDINANCE, SO I DON'T DOES IT REFER TO ALL OF THEM OR ONE OF THEM OR THOSE ARE THOSE ARE NOTES FOR STAFF ESSENTIALLY.

OKAY. BUT AREN'T WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE HAD THE TIME TO REVIEW THESE, REVIEW THESE OURSELVES, TO ENGAGE IN DISCUSSION WITH ACTUALLY ACTUALLY DID THAT? NORMALLY THE COMMISSION TELLS STAFF WHAT IT WANTS, AND STAFF THEN BRINGS BACK THE ORDINANCE. BUT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION AS TO WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTED, WE MADE A LIST OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT WERE ADDRESSED DURING THE WORKSHOP AND PUT THEM BACK AND WHAT YOU ADDRESSED, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRST THING IS INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT, LOT AREA AND FLOOR AREA RATIO TABLE. NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE TABLE ITSELF ISN'T PAGINATED CORRECTLY. IT THE NOTES TO THAT WAS THAT THE COMMISSION HAD SAID THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A DISTINCTION OR A SITUATION WHERE IF SOMEONE BUILT AN EXERCISE, THEIR FLOOR AREA RATIO AND BUILT A COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON A BUILDING, ON A PROPERTY, BUT THEY ALSO WANTED TO ADD MULTIFAMILY LATER, AS WELL, THAT THE COMMISSION WANTED THERE TO BE SOME KIND OF BLEND BETWEEN THOSE TWO ISSUES AND AS STAFF, WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOU TO TELL U, WELL, DO YOU WANT IT TO BE FOR EVERY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL THAT'S UTILIZED? IT EQUATES TO LOSING. ONE SQUARE FOOT OF APARTMENTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. IF I HAD A TEN ACRE PARCEL, THE TEN ACRE PARCEL MIGHT HAVE A FLOOR AREA RATIO OF 2 OR 3. IF IT WAS THREE, IT WOULD BE 43,560 TIMES, TEN TIMES THREE. SO IT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO BUILD SEVERAL MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL. IF YOU BUILT A WALMART. THAT WAS 165,000FT■!, WELL, IF YOU SAID FOR EVERY THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OF FAR THAT'S UTILIZED, THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION THAT'S AVAILABLE GETS REDUCED BY ONE UNIT, THEN 165,000FT■!S WOULD EQUAL 165 UNS AT 1000 SQUARE FOOT PER UNIT.

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WE'VE HAD. THE ONLY THING REFERRED TO IS THE IT, WHICH IN FACT WE'RE IGNORING. SO I FEEL THIS IS PREMATURE HERE. I MEAN, WE'RE IN FOR A LONG NIGHT. I HATE TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT WE DO THIS FOR, LIKE A HALF HOUR, 45 MINUTES AT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE MEETINGS IS TALK ABOUT WHY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A MEETING. CAN WE JUST START GOING THROUGH THESE? WE'RE HERE. WELL, I THINK WE'RE WE'VE HAD A PRESENTATION BY MR. MARTEL, AND THE COMMISSIONERS ARE ALLOWED TO ASK MR. MARTEL AND SHARE THEIR CONCERNS, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, AND THEN WE'LL GET GOING. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. MARTEL WITH REGARD TO HIS PRESENTATION HERE? IF NOT, WE'LL HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND I WILL COMMENT IN RESPONSE TO THE FINDINGS OF FAC.

IT'S NOT A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING TONIGHT, NOR IS TONIGHT ACTUALLY A LEGISLATIVE HEARING, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ADOPTING ANY RULES OF LAW. SO IF THE BOARD WANTED TO STRIKE THE FINDINGS OF FACT COMPLETELY, IT WOULD BE FINE. YOU COULD AMEND THE RESOLUTION TO SAY ON DECEMBER 9TH, THE CITY COMMISSION TOLD STAFF TO DO THE FOLLOWING, AND THAT WAY IT WOULD REMOVE ANY WHEREAS CLAUSES, AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY THAT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AS TO WHAT WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS A STUDY OR NOT LIKE TO ME, I DON'T I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE WHEREAS IN IT BECAUSE THE PURPOSE FOR THE RESOLUTION WAS TO GET THE DIRECTION FROM THE FROM THE COMMISSION. WOULD THAT MAKE YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE? IT WOULD AS MR. BAGGETT IS WELL AWARE, I ACTUALLY READ THESE THINGS BEFORE I SIGNED THEM, AND I LIKE THEM TO BE AS ACCURATE AS TO, YOU KNOW, AS GREAT A DEGREE AS POSSIBLE. SO I KNOW I MEAN, COMMISSIONER CLARK, DO YOU THINK WE EVALUATED PROFESSIONALLY ACCEPTABLE. SO I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT I, I AGREE WHAT DID YOU SAY? MR. COLLINS? I WAS GOING TO SAY I, I VICE MAYOR, MR. VICE VICE MAYOR, I GUESS I REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID. I AGREE WITH VICE MAYOR THAT WE SPEND ABOUT 30 TO 45 MINUTES SAYING WHY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A ZIP. AND I KNOW THAT I'M THE MAIN PERSON WHO DOES THAT. AND I, AGAIN WILL SAY IT AGAIN. I'VE LOOKED AT THESE. I'VE LOOKED AT AT WHAT WAS WRITTEN HERE. I'VE LOOKED AT THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. I LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AS LEADERS AND BE THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY. I LOOKED AT THE FIRST MEETING WHEN MR. WAS NOT HERE. WE HAD TWO NEW MEMBERS OF THE OF THE BOARD, SO WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH INPUT AT THAT TIME. AND EVEN SO, WITH

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RIGHT. BUT WE WOULD GO THROUGH THEM. AND THEN IF WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES TO THEM, WE COULD JUST DO THE MOTION. AT THAT POINT, I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC IN ORDER TO FRAME OUR DISCUSSION. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE SITTING HERE. SO YOU COULD IF WE COULD GET A MOTION AND A SECOND COMMENT. NOW, I MOVE APPROVAL. OKAY. WAS THERE A MOTION MADE? YES, HE JUST MADE I'M SORRY. I'LL SECOND MAYOR. DID WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOB FOR ITEM NUMBER TEN, RESOLUTION NUMBER 128-2024. IS THERE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, MADAM CLERK? YES I DO, YES, I HAVE JOHN GONZALEZ. THE CHARGER.

GOOD MORNING OR GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONER COUNTY. MY NAME IS JOHN GONZALEZ. I AM A HOMEOWNER, A BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN THE CITY OF STUART. I LIVE ON VILLAS SOUTHEAST, VILLAS STREET. I'VE ALSO LIVED ON OTHER STREETS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M HERE TODAY AS A MEMBER OF THE GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS COMMITTEE OF THE MARTIN COUNTY REALTORS OF THE TREASURE COAST, AND THAT'S WHO I REPRESENT. TODAY. WE SHARE THE GOALS OF THE COMMISSION TO

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THREE YOU'RE EVEN IMPACTING THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES YOU SAY YOU WANT. YOU WANT MORE OF BY INCREASING MINIMUM LOT SIZES AND SETBACKS AND SELECT DISTRICTS RENDERING THEM EITHER NON-CONFORMING OR UNBUILDABLE. FINALLY, BY MAKING EVERYTHING MORE COSTLY AND EXPENSIVE, YOU'RE NOT DISSUADING THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS OF DEEP POCKETED DEVELOPERS, LARGE CORPORATIONS, OR HEDGE FUNDS. BUT YOU ARE PUSHING OUT HOMETOWN BUILDERS WHO EMPLOY LOCAL CRAFTSMEN, TRADESPEOPLE, ELECTRICIANS, TILE GUYS, DRYWALL GUYS, AND MORE. THIS MAKES IT HARDER FOR LOCAL PEOPLE TO OWN HOMES, BUT IT WILL MAKE STUART MORE EXPENSIVE, MORE EXCLUSIVE AND MORE OUT OF REACH OF OUR CHILDREN AND YOURS. RESPECTFULL. COMMISSIONERS, WE, THE GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS COMMITTEE OF THE MARTIN COUNTY BOARD OF REALTORS, RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS THAT YOU VOTE NO ON ALL THESE PROPOSED CHANGES. THANK YOU. AND I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. IT'S A HARD JOB. YOU GUYS GET SOME RESPECT, YOU GET NO RESPECT, AND I CERTAINLY RESPECT YOU ALL FOR SITTING UP THERE AND DOING WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS BEST FOR OUR CITY. THANK YOU SIR CHRISTINE. BEARS. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CHRISTY BURGESS. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF MARTIN COUNTY REALTORS OF THE TREASURE COAST. WE ARE AN 800 PERSON ORGANIZATION OF PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE DEDICATED TO HOMEOWNERSHIP, PROPERTY RIGHTS, AND PROTECTING WHAT MAKES MARTIN COUNTY SPECIAL. NEXT YEAR, WE WILL CELEBRATE OUR 100 YEAR ANNIVERSARY OVER MANY OF THESE YEARS, WE HAVE STOOD CAREFUL AND SOUND PLANNING, STEADY SLOW GROWTH PRINCIPLES, PRESERVING OUR ENVIRONMENT AND QUALITY OF LIFE. WE WANT THE BEST FOR WHAT IS, WHAT IS BEST FOR STUART AND I BELIEVE WE BELIEVE YOU DO TOO. BUT THIS ZONING AND PROGRESS DOESN'T HELP OUR RESIDENTS. IT HURTS THEM. WE OBJECT ON SEVERAL GROUNDS. IN 2022, THE THREE MONTH CIP WAS ENACTED TO STOP MULTIPLE MULTIPLE FAMILY PROJECTS. SINCE THEN, OVER THE COURSE OF THREE JOINT MEETINGS GOING BACK TO OCTOBER 2023, YOUR OWN STAFF CONFIRMED THAT THEY HAVE ZERO RESIDENTIAL USES IN REVIEW. NOW, ZERO. SO WHY ENACT THE SECOND ZONING AND PROGRESS STOPPING ALL NEW APPLICATIONS IN PROCESS? THE CURRENT ZONING AND PROGRESS HAS BEEN CONDUCTED WITHOUT GUIDANCE OF PROFESSIONAL CERTIFIED PLANNERS. ONLY THREE WORKSHOPS HAVE BEEN HELD AND ALL THREE HAVE TAKEN PLACE DURING THE DAY WHEN MOST OF THE PEOPLE AFFECTED ARE WORKING. YOU STATED THAT THIS IS WHAT THE PUBLIC TOLD YOU. THEY WANTED WHEN YOU WERE CAMPAIGNING FOR OFFICE, SO WHY STOP LISTENING TO THEM NOW? SOMETHING THIS IMPACTFUL SHOULD WELCOME SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC INPUT BY INSISTING ON SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO CITIZENS VESTED RIGHTS IN A PROCESS FREE OF FORMAL ANALYSIS AND PROFESSIONAL CONSULTATION. THE MESSAGE BEING SENT IS THE CITY IS CLOSED FOR BUSINESS. YOU'RE TELLING YOUR RESIDENTS THAT THEIR GOVERNMENT IS DISINTERESTED AND EARNING THEIR CONSENT. NOW YOU'RE MOVING SWIFTLY TO IMPOSE A DRAMATIC ROLLBACK OF INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS TO IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTY OR REALIZE THEIR FULL VALUE. YOU ARE RISKING COSTLY LITIGATION THAT THE TAXPAYERS WILL BEAR THE BURDEN OF EVEN WORSE, YOU'RE VIOLATING THE TRUST THAT EXPRESSED THAT IS EXPRESSED IN THE US CONSTITUTION AND IMPLICIT BETWEEN THE ELECTED OFFICIALS

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THANK YOU. RYAN HANSER. HI. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. RYAN HANSEN, AKA HANSEN CONSTRUCTION, LOCAL CONTRACTOR HERE AGAIN, KIND OF GOING WITH WHAT'S ON THE LIST HERE. I'M PRIMARILY IN THE RESIDENTIAL SECTOR OF BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION. I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING IN HERE THAT'S REALLY KEEPING US FROM BEING ABLE TO DO ADDITIONS TO RESIDENTIAL HOUSES. IF WE'RE REDUCING LOT SIZES, THIS, THAT, WHATEVER ELSE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE FOR AN EXISTING RESIDENCE. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE DOING THAT TYPE OF PROJECT AND WORK AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. BEN TALBOT. EVENING, GUYS. BEN TALBOT, PALMERA CONSTRUCTION GROUP, BASED OUT OF JENSEN BEACH MARINE CONSTRUCTION. WE HAVE A PROJECT GOING ON, CENTRAL MARINE ACROSS THE WAY. I'VE SPOKE WITH SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT IT, AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS KNOW, JUST CHANGING THE WAY WE PUT A BOAT IN THE WATER IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. I SPOKE ALSO WITH THE CITY THIS MORNING ABOUT HOW THAT'S WE'RE LITERALLY TAKING A FORKLIFT DROP AND PUTTING A BOAT BOAT RAMP IN PLACE. SO THE PEOPLE THAT NEED THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN DO THEIR JOBS. AND I'M STARTING TO SEE OTHER SUBCONTRACTORS THAT DO BOAT POLISHING, YOU KNOW, MOTOR REHABS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AT THE SPECIFIC MARINA COMING IN. SO THEIR COMPANY IS GROWING AND THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THAT. SO WE CAN KIND OF GET OTHER PEOPLE WORKING THAT HAVE THOSE NEEDS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE DO BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. AS MR. KIRKMAN AND OTHER GENTLEMEN MET MENTIONED, IT AFFECTS US IN MANY WAYS. I DO A LOT OF BUSINESS IN MARTIN COUNTY AND NOT MUCH IN STUART, BUT I SEE MY BUSINESS GROWING THAT DIRECTION AND AS I CAN'T SIGN CONTRACTS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SCARED TO, I CAN'T OFFER MY PEOPLE MORE WORK. AND IT'S ACTUALLY PUSHING ON US AS THE HOLIDAYS ARE COMING IN TO HAVING TO POSSIBLY LAY SOME PEOPLE OFF. AND I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. AND IT STANDS RIGHT HERE AND CONTINUING OUR PROJECTS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. DEB FRAZIER, JUST TO THAT POINT THAT I'VE HEARD FROM A COUPLE OF YOU WITH REGARD TO COMMERCIAL, ASSUMING THAT WE DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING COMMERCIAL TONIGHT, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH RELIEVING COMMERCIAL THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE MULTIFAMILY FROM THE ZIP TONIGH, AS ONE OF FIVE. THANK YOU. MAY I ASK A QUESTION FROM THAT COMMENT? SO LAST MEETING WHAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT WAS PULLING OUT THE COMMERCIAL, BUT YOU COULDN'T CHANGE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. IS THAT STILL PART OF THAT? BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS YOU DON'T THAT YOU JUST TAKE COMMERCIAL OUT PERIOD AND NOT CHANGE A SQUARE FOOTAGE. I KNOW RONNIE HAS A PROJECT WHERE THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE FACADE BY TWO FEET, AND THAT WILL STOP HIM. IF YOU DO THAT, IT WILL STOP HIM. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING AND JUST REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THAT'S WE'RE TOUCHING FAR OR PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY, I DON'T KNOW. AND I KNOW YOU'LL GET TO JUST PROCEED WITH YOUR COMMENTS. AND YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MENTION WAS, AGAIN, THE TAX IMPLICATIONS, I BROUGHT THAT EVERY TIME I'VE SPOKEN. AND FOR YOU TO SAY, MAYOR RICH, THANK YOU THAT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN STUDIES AND THINGS DONE. I REALLY THINK THERE'S SOME BIG TAX IMPLICATIONS HERE. AND I

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I KNOW THE ZIP STOPPED THAT, BUT YOU HAVE PERMITS THAT ARE FROM BACK IN JUNE EVERY EVERY 30 DAYS THAT PASSES. YOU HAVE TO EVERY DAY THAT PASSES. AFTER THE 30 DAYS YOU HAVE TO REDUCE THEIR FEES BY 10%. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING. AND SOME OF THESE PEOPLE BACK FROM JUNE, YOU PROBABLY ARE GOING TO OWE MONEY TO. SO I JUST WANT TO BE SURE, BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON MARCH FOURTH, WHEN THE ZIP THEN BECOMES IS OVER, THE PERMITS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LINED OUT THE DOOR, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. BUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE THAT? BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT 30 DAYS TO RESPOND TO THOSE PERMITS BY STATE STATUTE. SO AND I CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU IF YOU NEED THAT. THE OTHER THING, TOO, IS THERE'S A LOT OF FAMILIES GOING OUT WITHOUT THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE ZIP. AND I THINK THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT LAYOFFS AND THESE THINGS CONTINUE TO HAPPEN. I MENTIONED IT AT THE LAST MEETING. THESE PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING TO MAKE ENDS MEET. IS THE COUNCIL ARE YOU TAKING INTO EFFECT THESE PEOPLE'S FACES? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FAMILIES. EARLIER. THEY HAVE FAMILIES AS WELL. THE OTHER THING TOO, WE ALSO TRAIN SKILLED TRADES WORKERS AS A TREASURE COAST BUILDERS ASSOCIATION. AND IF YOU HAVE A NEED THERE, PROJECT LIFT IS A WONDERFUL GROUP. BUT WE DO. WE DO THAT AS WELL, SO WE'D LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT. THE LAST THING TOO, I WOULD JUST MENTION IS YOU TALKED ABOUT HAVING JUPITER HOSPITAL MAYBE COME AND TALKING TO THEM ABOUT COMING IN HERE. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR VARIANCE IS AND YOU'RE FAR AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS YOU DO. IF THEY WOULD EVEN BE WELCOME HERE. SO THANK YOU FOR YOU DOING. I DO KNOW YOU WORK VERY HARD. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO AND I DO HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAY. THANK YOU. THANKS, WALTER LLOYD. WALTER LLOYD. I'VE BEEN COMING TO THIS AREA FOR 30 YEARS. I HAVEN'T LIVED HERE THAT LONG, BUT I DID MAKE ADDRESS. PLEASE, SIR. 150 SOUTHWEST CABANA POINT CIRCLE. SO. YEAH, I'VE BEEN COMING HERE THAT LONG, AND I DID MAKE A DECISION BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE OF THIS AREA TO RETIRE HERE AND JUST LIKE MANY, SPENT A LOT OF MY LIFELONG RESOURCES TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. WHAT I THINK IS BEING IGNORED HERE IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CULTURE. OVER ALL THE YEARS, THE LEGACY THAT WAS FORMED FOR SO MANY YEARS. AND IT WAS FORMED WITH THIS MARTIN COUNTY DIFFERENCE, WHICH INCLUDES STUART, OF KEEPING THIS A SMALL COASTAL TOWN. STUDIES WERE DONE TO ACCOMPLISH ALL THAT.

EVERYBODY'S SAYING THERE WAS NO STUDIES, THERE'S NO STUDIES. THERE WERE STUDIES DONE. I WATCHED JUST SINCE I GOT HERE IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, 7 TO 10 YEARS. THE BASTARDIZATION OF THE COMP PLAN AND THE ZONING THINGS WERE DONE, SUCH AS COSTCO, SUCH AS BRIDGEVIEW, AND THEY WERE DONE UNDER THE TABLE BECAUSE NOBODY WAS INVOLVED IN ANY OF THAT, NOBODY IN THE PUBLIC THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO THAT. SO IT WAS SHOVED IN UNDER THE RUG. AND BY THE TIME WE FOUND OUT AND SPENT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO HAVE EXPERTS CONTRADICT WHAT THE DEVELOPER'S EXPERTS WERE SAYING. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT DROVE DEVELOPMENT. THE DEVELOPERS, THERE WERE NO STUDIES OTHER THAN WHAT THEY PRESENTED TO YOU, AND YOU WEREN'T EXPERTS, BUT YOU APPROVED IT. NOW WE HAVE A COSTCO. WE MAY HAVE A BRIGHT LINE. WE'RE GOING TO BRING PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE REGION. WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP. THEY'RE GOING TO FILL THEIR CARS UP AND GO AWAY. SO I APPLAUD YOU. YOU PEOPLE WERE ELECTED TO TRY AND KEEP THAT DIFFERENCE IN PLACE, AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR STEPPING UP IN INTEGRITY AND DOING WHAT YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO. NOW YOU'RE GOING BACK AND UNDOING WHAT WAS DONE IN THOSE YEARS TO SCREW THIS WHOLE MARTIN COUNTY DIFFERENCE UP. THANK YOU FOR THE NEW COMMISSIONERS AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JERRY GORE, SENIOR. GOOD AFTERNOON. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR GREAT CONCERN. BUT JUST UPON THIS WEEK AND NOT JUST THIS WEEK, I'M GLAD YOU INTRODUCE

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WE DO NOT HAVE THE UPKEEP THAT THE AVERAGE AMERICAN HAVE GOT IN THIS WORLD. IT'S NOT LIBERTY AND IT'S NOT JUSTICE FOR EVERYBODY. BUT WE'RE DOING THE BEST FOR WHAT WE GOT. SO IF YOU DO ANYTHING OVER THERE TO STRESS US MORE THAN RAISING THE TAXES BECAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY HIGH THIS YEAR TO RAISE THE TAXES YOU'RE GOING TO TAX US OUT AND YOU'RE GOING TO RUN US OUT OF MARTIN COUNTY ALTOGETHER. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FEASIBLE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT YOUR JOB IS.

SO IF YOU CAN FIND IT IN YOUR HEART, WHENEVER YOU START TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS, TRY TO GET WITH SOME OF US OVER THERE IN THAT AREA AND THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT'S GOING TO BE HOMELESS, NOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, BECAUSE THEY NEVER HAD THE FAIR AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE MONEY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. JOSEPH COOPER. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE ON THE DYESS JOSEPH COOPER, 906 SOUTHEAST NINTH STREET. I'M THE OWNER OF GA CONSTRUCTION GROUP. I WAS, OF COURSE, BORN AND RAISED HERE. JUST MOVED MY BUSINESS BACK A FEW YEARS AGO BECAUSE I HAD TO GO DOWN SOUTH TO GROW MY BUSINESS, BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES. WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THIS PROCESS IS I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME WE MAY FEEL THAT THE CITY HAS GOTTEN UNDER CONTROL. I STILL TELL FOLKS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT WILL LISTEN THAT THIS IS STILL NEVADA. THERE HAS BEEN SOME GROWTH, BUT COMING FROM YOU KNOW, ATTENDING JD PARK ELEMENTARY TO NOW, I FELT THAT THE GROWTH WAS NECESSARY. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MEASURED. WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT NOT BECOMING FORT LAUDERDALE GROWING UP HERE.

THIS IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO BECOME FORT LAUDERDALE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BECOME WEST PALM BEACH. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BECOME MIAMI DADE. WHEN I SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED, I THINK WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT. WE DID NOT BECOME FORT LAUDERDALE. WE DID NOT BECOME WEST PALM BEACH.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BECOME PORT SAINT LUCIE. SO WE'RE GOING TO STILL REMAIN MARTIN COUNTY.

WE'RE GOING TO STILL BE QUAINT, BUT IMPROVED. I'D LIKE TO SAY WE'VE IMPROVED IT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PASTOR GORE TALKED ABOUT IS THAT WITH IF YOU CREATE, CONTINUE TO CREATE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING AND EXPENSIVE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING PEOPLE, THE AVERAGE PERSON THAT LOOKS LIKE ME WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE, RIGHT? I DO PRETTY WELL AS A GENERAL CONTRACTOR, BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT MY FELLOW PERSON THAT MAY NOT BE AS AFFLUENT, BUT I'M ALSO LOOKING AT MY DAUGHTER WHO'S CAN SHE AFFORD TO SPEND $3 MILLION ON A HOME OR EIGHT RIGHT NOW? MARTIN COUNTY'S ALWAYS BEEN ELEVATED WHEN IT COMES TO THE COST OF LIVING. WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN AT THE HEIGHT OF PER CAPITA INCOME. SO WE KNEW THAT. WE KNEW THAT JUPITER ISLAND WAS EXISTING. WE KNEW THAT. BUT WE WERE STILL THRIVING WITH CERTAIN CHANGES THAT IT IMPACTS. MY BUSINESS TO HAVE THIS WHOLE SLOWDOWN. I'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT SAID, WE WANT TO DO BUSINESS. WE HAVE TO HAVE IN CONSTRUCTION, WE HAVE TO HAVE A MIX BECAUSE SOMETIME MULTIFAMILY IS DOWN AND YOU CAN'T GET, BUT YOU CAN DO SINGLE FAMILY. SOMETIMES NONPROFITS ARE EXPANDING, SO YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, WE CAN'T HAVE MULTIFAMILY, WE JUST HAVE TO MEASURE IT. I THINK. BUT TO STOP EVERYTHING

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WE WERE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO BE IMPROVED. WE NEEDED SOME NEW SPACES. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MISTER COOPER. I HAVE JEFF BOWERS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JEFF BOWERS. MY COMPANY IS MASTERPIECE DESIGN BUILD RIGHT DOWN THE STREET ON COLORADO AVENUE. I GREW UP HERE.

GROUP MOVED HERE IN 1973. I WAS MUCH YOUNGER THEN. WE ALL. BUT I'M A PROPERTY OWNER. I'M A GENERAL CONTRACTOR. I'M ALSO A PROPERTY OWNER. OUR FAMILY HOMESTEAD IS AT 700 EAST PARKWAY ON COUGAR CREEK. OUR PROPERTY HERE ON COLORADO AVENUE IS COMMERCIAL, AND MORE RECENTLY WE JUST ACQUIRED A HOUSE AT 925 FLAMINGO AVENUE, REMODELING THAT FOR MY SON, WHO HAS MOVED BACK TO THIS AREA TO JOIN US IN BUSINESS. SO YEAH, THERE ARE MULTIPLE GENERATIONS THAT IS HAPPENING. I'M A PAST PRESIDENT OF THE TREASURE COAST BUILDERS ASSOCIATION. I DON'T TYPICALLY COME SPEAK AT THESE MEETINGS, AND THESE ARE CERTAINLY NOT PREPARED REMARKS THAT I HAVE. SO JUST BEAR WITH ME. WHILE I UNDERSTAND, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE MOTIVATION OF WHAT'S TRANSPIRING HERE, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT HAS HAPPENED VERY QUICKLY. AND I THINK IT'S WHEN I LOOK AROUND TOWN AND I SEE THE SKYLINE OF THE CITY HAS CHANGED. I THINK IT'S THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT THAT HAS REALLY SHOCKED A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHY WE HAVE A COUPLE OF NEW FACES ON THE DIAZ RIGHT NOW. WE NEED TO BE SMART. WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO KEEP STUART AS A VIBRANT PLACE. SO PEOPLE LIKE MY SON CAN AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.

AND, MR. COOPER, I GOT NEWS FOR YOU. IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE YOU. PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE ME TOO. THERE'S PEOPLE THAT CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE CITY. I HAVE 14 EMPLOYEES, AND MOST OF THEM DO NOT LIVE IN THE CITY OF STUART. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU GUYS SLOW DOWN ON THIS. I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHAT YOU ALL THINK IS RIGHT. THERE ARE A LOT OF EXPERTS IN TOWN. THERE'S A LOT OF US WHO ARE WILLING AND ABLE TO SIT ON PANELS AND WORK WITH YOU GUYS TO, TO KIND OF HELP COME UP WITH SOME OF THE BETTER ANSWERS. I WOULD I WOULD URGE YOU TO PLEASE SLOW DOWN AND LET'S NOT RUSH INTO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO REGRET LATER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

MARCELLA CAMPBELL. WELCOME BACK. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MARCELLA CAMPBELL. TRYING TO REMEMBER MY ADDRESS. 12 RIDGEVIEW ROAD IN SEWALL'S POINT IN MY OFFICE IS ON 47 WEST OCEAN BOULEVARD. I HAVE RETAINED THE FIRM STEARNS, WEAVER, MILLER. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE OBJECTION THAT MY COUNSEL HAS FILED HAS BEEN SENT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY MANAGER. I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS SENT TO THE CLERK, AND A HARD COPY WAS DELIVERED TO EACH OF YOU. I DOUBT THAT I WILL BE ALLOWED TO READ THIS OBJECTION LETTER. YOU ARE LOOKING LIKE IT WASN'T DELIVERE.

I'M HAPPY TO READ IT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I SOME SOME PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE CHRISTMAS, YOU KNOW, AND LAYING OFF PEOPLE. MY CHRISTMAS MONEY IS INTO HIRING ATTORNEYS. AS STATED IN THE LETTER SUBMITTED BY MY COUNSEL. EXHIBIT A, AS MENTIONED BY THE MAYOR, IS INCREDIBLY CONFUSING. IT IS INCOMPLETE. IT HAS ERRONEOUS REFERENCES TO DIFFERENT SECTIONS. IT IS UNCLEAR REGARDING WHAT THE INTENT IS. IT DOESN'T SAY YOU NEED TO GO WATCH THREE PREVIOUS MEETINGS. IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW EXHIBIT A. IT WASN'T DONE WITH SUFFICIENT CLARITY IN REGARD OF THE SCOPE OF CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A GROCERY LIST, BUT IT'S THE EXHIBIT WE HAVE AND THE EXHIBIT IS, QUITE FRANKLY, ILLEGIBLE. AS PER THE STATEMENT IN MY COUNSEL'S OBJECTION LETTER, I WOULD ASK YOU TO DIRECT STAFF TO MAINTAIN MINIMUM LOT SIZE APPLICABLE TO OUR THREE ZONING PROVIDED BY THE CITY AS AN

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SO DID WE EXEMPT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR ARE WE TARGETING EVERYONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF A SIZE THAT WE THINK IS ACCEPTABLE? AND I SAY WE THINK BECAUSE I DID DO A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FOR THE MATERIALS REVIEWED, AND I WAS INFORMED THERE WAS NONE.

FINALLY, AND I SAY THIS NOT AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, BUT AS A PROFESSIONAL CERTIFIED TO WRITE CODE, CERTIFIED TO WRITE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS IN A QUICK BRUSH OF THIS LIST, THIS EXHIBIT, OR THIS GROCERY LIST IS IN CONTRADICTION WITH 22 OF YOUR GOALS AND POLICIES. 37 OF THE POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED YET AT THE ERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT PLEASE REMOVE THE LOT SIZES. REMOVE ANY HINDRANCE ON SINGLE FAMILY, PLEASE. THANK YOU. HAVE NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. OH, I'M SORRY. YES I DO, ALBERT BRINKLE. LISTEN, I'VE BEEN. LIVING EITHER ON MARTIN OR IN THE VICINITY. IN THE VICINITY OF MARTIN. MAJORITY OF MY LIFE. I'M 67 YEARS OLD.

AND WHAT I SEE AND WHAT THE RESIDENTS SEE THERE WON'T BE A STEWARD IF YOU ALL DON'T TAKE A STEP BACK AND RESPECT US AS COMMUNITY TO SEE YOU. LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD THAT GRADUALLY BEING THAT GENTRIFICATION TERRITORY, LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THIS UNITED STATES. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON. AND THAT'S WHAT WE, THE EAST STEWARD COMMUNITY, SEES WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT'S GOING ON EASTER, EVERYBODY WORRIED ABOUT EASTER. AND YOU HEAR PEOPLE, OH, I'M WAITING ON THE ZONING CHANGE WHERE I CAN BE ON MY CONDO. AND HE STOOD. THAT'S WHAT THEY WAITING ON FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE THIS CHANGE. I JUST TALKED TO SOME RESIDENTS BEFORE I CAME UP HERE. I WAS TOLD THEM I WAS HEADING TO ME BECAUSE THEY ARE CONCERNED THE WAY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS HEADING. PEOPLE SEE THIS HERE. IT'S NOT ONLY JUST US IN THIS COMMUNITY, Y'ALL. OUTSIDERS SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING. I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME, EVEN UP HERE, YOU ALL ARE GETTING PUSHED OUT. THIS GOES O. AND LOW INCOME NEIGHBORHOOD THAT GENTRIFICATION. YOU ALL NEED TO STEP BACK AND REALIZE WHAT WE ARE. WE ARE A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AND WE WANT TO STAY THAT WAY. WE WANT TO BE RESPECTED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD NOT OVERLOOKED, NOT PUSHED OUT. AND THE WAY THIS IS GOING, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

ANOTHER BLIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE UNITED STATES BEING PUSHED OUT WHERE NOBODY WILL LOOK LIKE ME IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S THE WAY IT'S HEADING. YOU ALL TAKE A STEP BACK AND RESPECT US AS PART OF STEWARD BECAUSE WE ARE TIRED. WE ARE TIRED, WE ARE TIRED. AND I REITERATE THIS AGAIN. IT'S NOT JUST US, IT'S OTHER PEOPLE. SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME. YOU ALL NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND LET US BE A PART OF IT. NOT PUSH US OUT, NOT PUSH US OUT. I HAVE A HOME THERE. MY BEAUTIFUL GRANDDAUGHTER. I BUILT THAT FOR HER AND HER MOTHER. AND THE WAY THIS GOING, MY TEN YEAR OLD GRANDDAUGHTER WON'T BE ABLE TO LIVE THERE. GOD IS NOT PLEASED WITH THIS TYPE OF STUFF. YOU ALL AND YOU DON'T DO THE RIGHT THING. YOU GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER TO HIM, WHETHER ON THIS SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE, AND YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE. YOU ALL NEED TO RESPECT HER. I HAVE THAT HOME. NOT FOR ME, FOR MY GRANDDAUGHTER AND HER

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PEOPLE IS LIVING ON THE STREETS RIGHT NOW. I SEE THIS EVERY DAY WHEN I'M TAKING MY GRANDBABY TO SCHOOL. AFTER A WHILE, RIGHT NOW PEOPLE IS COMING IN AND BUYING PROPERTY. PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE THERE. NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN. YOU ALL NEED TO TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION. PEOPLE IS HOMELESS RIGHT NOW. AND WHAT? AND I'M GOING TO SAY THIS HERE, WHAT SEEMS TO BE HAPPENING WITH MR. TAYLOR PROPERTY. NOBODY IN THIS BUILDING KNEW THAT MAN. LIKE I DID. THANK YOU. MISTER, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH HIS PROPERTY? HE WOULDN'T BE PLEASED WITH THAT. HE'LL BE TURNING OVER HIS GRAVE RIGHT NOW. I KNEW THIS MAN BETTER THAN ANYBODY. THANK YOU, MISTER BRINKLEY. THANK YOU. MR. FRANK, MISS CRYSTAL. I'D LIKE TO MIRROR THE GENTLEMAN IN THE WHITE HAT HERE WITH HIS COMMENTS THAT WERE PRETTY GOOD. REAL GOOD, ACTUALLY. AND. I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH INFORMATION AND MAYBE MISINFORMATION, BUT FROM 30,000FT, I SEE THIS. YES. WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW IS A REACTION TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BEING BENT OVER BY THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION. AND THE CHANGES WE'VE SEEN IN OUR HOME TOWN IN THE PAST TEN YEARS. SO I WOULD SAY YOU'RE NOT PERFECT, BUT DON'T LET PERFECTION BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD.

AND RECOGNIZE THAT THE ONLY PEOPLE HERE SPEAKING AGAINST YOU ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE BUSINESS. AND LAST TIME I MAYBE I'M NOT FOLLOWING THIS RIGHT, BUT THIS ISN'T FOREVER. THIS IS JUST A STEP BACK TO TAKE A LOOK. AND IT IS A REACTION THAT THE PEOPLE WANT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I HAVE NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. LET'S GO ON TO. MR. DARLING. THANK YOU. DONNA DUFFY 916 MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD HERE IN STUART. I'M A RESIDENT. I LIVE HERE ALL MY LIFE, AND I KNOW MR. COOPER, I THINK, AND LIKE HE SAID, GROWTH IS GOOD, BUT AT AN EXTENT WHEN DEVELOPERS COME IN AND THEY SAY, OH, WE WANT TO DO THIS TO MAKE THIS BETTER, OKAY, SURE. BUT WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT MAKING IT BETTER, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE OVER IN EAST STUART, THEY LIKE MYSELF. I'M DISABLED AND MOST OF THEM OVER THERE ARE DISABLED. ARE EITHER ON A FIXED INCOME AND THEY CANNOT AFFORD A 400 $500,000 HOME. THE HOMES THAT THEY HAVE THAT ARE PAID FOR, THEY OWN THOSE. THEY OWN THAT LAND. SO YOU CAN'T COME IN AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S DISRUPT THINGS AND BUILD FOR $500,000 HOME.

WHEN YOU KNOW THESE PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD IT, RIGHT DOWN THE DOWN THE ROAD, THEY BUILD THREE BRAND NEW HOMES, $400,000. AND THEN IN THEIR AREA THEY COME IN AND THEY SAY, OH, WE WANT TO BUY YOUR HOME. WE OFFER YOU $30,000 FOR YOUR HOME. AND THEN THEY REDEVELOP IT. NEW CONSTRUCTION.

THEN THEY PUT IT ON THE MARKET FOR $500,000, AND THEY GIVE YOU $30,000 FOR YOUR PROPERTY AND YOUR HOME. THAT'S ALREADY OWNED. YOU THINK ABOUT IT. WHO'S CRAZY? AND THEN YOU HOMES, AFFORDABLE FOR WHO? TWO 2000 1500 $1,200 A MONTH. WHEN MOST PEOPLE HERE CANNOT AFFORD THAT? EVEN THE ONES WHO ARE NOT ON FIXED INCOME. I MEAN, COME ON. YES, WE WANT WE WANT GROWTH.

BUT AT WHAT EXTENT AND WHERE DOES IT STOP? WHEN DOES IT STOP? WHEN YOUR POCKET IS SO FULL THAT THE MONEY IS JUST FALLING ALL OUT ON THE GROUND? AT WHAT EXTENT WE WANT TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY BETTER? OKAY, THE HOMES THAT'S IN THERE, GET SOME PROGRAMS IN THERE THAT SAY, OKAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO UPGRADE THESE PROPERTIES OR FIX THEM UP AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM

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AND WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO JUST COME IN THERE AND LET SOMEONE COME IN AND JUST RUN OVER YOU AND JUST SAY, HEY, IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT, HEY. OH, WELL, YOU HAVE TO GO. JUST LIKE THE REST OF US UP HERE, ALL OUR GRANDPARENTS, PARENTS BEFORE US, THEY BUILD THEIR HOUSES, THEY WORK HARD FOR IT. THEY LEAVE THEIR KIDS SOMETHING. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT IN OUR ARE.

TO LEAVE OUR KIDS SOMETHING. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, SIR. MR. MAYOR, I HAVE NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY, SO, MR. MARTEL, WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM ONE BY ONE DOWN THE. SURE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COMMISSIONER GOP, CAN WE TAKE A BREAK? OH, YOU'RE RIGHT. WE SHOULD THANK YOU FOR A VERY WE WILL TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK TILL QUARTER OF SEVEN. 645. YOU HAVE THAT, MADAM CLERK. YES. RECONVEG BECAUSE I KNOW THEY TELL ME THAT IT'S THE THOUGHT THAT COUNTS, I DON'T KNOW, OKAY. ARE WE GOOD? MARY? MADAM CLERK. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE RECONVENING OUR MEETING.

WE ARE ON ITEM TEN. IS THAT CORRECT, MR. BAGGETT? WE ARE. SO WE'VE HAD A MOTION. WE'VE HAD A SECOND, AND I TAKE IT AWAY. MR. MARTEL. I GAVE IT SOME THOUGHT DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THE COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS, AND I THINK THAT MAYBE IT'LL WORK BETTER IF I QUICKLY GO THROUGH THIS ENTIRE SHEET, LET YOU GUYS, AS A COMMISSIONERS INDIVIDUALLY, KIND OF DIGEST WHAT THE THOUGHTS WERE FROM STAFF. AND THEN WHEN I GO BACK TO THE ITEMS, BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE DUPLICATIVE AND SOME OF THEM WILL BE THEY THEY RELATE TO EACH OTHER. SO IF I COULD JUST RUN THROUGH IT, THAT'S CERTAINLY THE CASE. YEAH. FEEL THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED. THERE ARE NO OBJECTION NO OBJECTIONS HERE. SO WHAT WE DID WAS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT HAND COLUMN IS IT WAS JUST DURING THE WORKSHOP AS WE WENT THROUGH EACH ONE OF THE CHAPTERS AS THE COMMISSION WAS DISCUSSING DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE WORKSHOP, OUR NOTES CAME UP. AND YES, THERE WERE THINGS THAT THE COMMISSIONER SAID THAT DID NOT DIRECTLY RELATE TO THE CHAPTER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT NONETHELESS CAME UP FROM THE COMMISSION DURING THE WORKSHOP. CAN I CAN I MAKE AN OBJECTION? BECAUSE WE'RE EFFECTIVELY GOING TO HAVE TO END UP GOING THROUGH IT TWICE. WHY NOT JUST GO THROUGH IT ONCE WHERE HE BRINGS IT UP, HE CAN SPEAK HIS PIECE, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AND HASH IT OUT. INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THIS ENTIRE LIST WITHOUT OUR FEEDBACK. WHY DO YOU THINK YOUR SUGGESTION IS BETTER? WE SPENT THREE THREE MEETINGS TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS AND WELL, JUST BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF PEOPLE HAD THOUGHT ABOUT THIS STUFF OR UNDERSTOOD IT. BUT IF WE WANT TO TRY, WE SPENT THREE MEETINGS DOING IT. OKAY, SO I DON'T KNOW IT BY NOW GUYS. SO YOU DO HAVE AN OBJECTION? YES. OKAY. I THINK WE SHOULD GO. WELL THEN I'LL START WITH THE FIRST ONE. OKAY. THE FIRST ONE WAS A DISCUSSION AT THE FIRST WORKSHOP ABOUT HOW THERE ARE COMMERCIAL PROJECTS WHERE SOMEBODY BUILDS A CAR DEALERSHIP OR A WALMART AND THEN OR A COSTCO, AND THEN WANTS TO BUILD APARTMENTS AS WELL. AND THE COMMISSION'S CONSENSUS WAS THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN F.A.R AND BETWEEN DENSITY, AND THAT BECAUSE A UNDER THE COMMERCIAL CODE, YOU HAVE A FA OF 2 OR 3 AND YOU CAN BUILD X UNDER COMMERCIAL, AND THEN YOU PUT THAT DOWN AND THEN YOU SAY, OKAY, NOW UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL CODE, YOU HAVE DENSITY. AND THEN YOU CAN BUILD UP TO 30 UNITS AN ACRE. SO THE TWO OF THOSE THINGS GET ADDED TOGETHER. AND THE OLD PROVERBIAL SAYING OF 10 POUNDS OF SUGAR AND A 5 POUND BAG HAPPENS AND SO THE LOGIC WAS STAFF WAS LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD AS TO WHAT RELATIONSHIP THEY WANTED.

AND THE DISCUSSION I SAID EARLIER WAS THE IDEA OF IF WALMART BUILT 165,000 SQUARE FOOT WALMART. WELL, THAT IS A MASS THAT IS A BUILDING, THAT IS SPACE, THAT IS PARKING SPACES.

IT HAS A, A, A VISUAL EFFECT THAT TAKES UP SPACE ON THAT LAND. AND SO THE COMMISSION'S

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HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHANGING THE FAR AT ARE FAR IS A COMMERCIAL APPLICATION RIGHT UNDER THE COMMERCIAL APPLICATION. THAT'S GENERALLY A FAR OF 2 OR 3 OR FOUR, A FAR OF FOUR FOR A TEN ACRE PARCEL. SINCE I HAVE THE COMPUTER OR THE CALCULATOR OUT WOULD BE 43,560 TIMES THREE TIMES TEN EQUALS. YOU COULD BUILD A BUILDING THAT'S 1,306,800FT■!S, OR YOU COULD BUILD DIVIDED BY 166 123 EQUALS. YOU COULD BUILD EIGHT WALMARTS. SO ARE YOU. DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU UNDERSTAND THE IDEA THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS HAVING A FULLY BUILT COMMERCIAL PROJECT AND THEN USING THAT ENTIRE PARCEL'S DENSITY ALLOWANCES FOR MULTIFAMILY IS THE CURRENT WAY THAT WE DO THIS, AND THEN WE JUST PUT THAT ON, WHAT, 25% OF THE PARCEL. RIGHT? SO WE TAKE EVERYTHING YOU COULD BUILD HERE AND JUST SMASH IT INTO 25%. SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, YOUR YOUR MULTIFAMILY AND YOUR COMMERCIAL WOULD HAVE TO BALANCE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADD MULTIFAMILY, YOU HAVE TO LOSE FAR OUT OF THAT COMMERCIAL. SO IT'S ULTIMATELY THERE'S A 100%. YEAH. WELL FOR EXAMPLE, THEY COULD NOT BUILD THE WALMART. I DON'T KNOW WHAT BALANCE BUILD THE AND JUST BUILD THE RESIDENTIAL. WOULD YOU FRAME THAT OR HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THAT TO LIKE BUILDABLE STRUCTURE MASS MASS. YOU KNOW YOU END UP INSTEAD OF DOUBLE THE MASS ON THE SAME PARCEL IS THE IDEA. SO TYING THE NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL TO A RESIDENTIAL UNIT. NOW IF YOU CAN HAVE MAXIMALLY SO MUCH, YOU KNOW YOU CAN, BUT SLIDING THAT SCALE, WHAT GOES ON THAT 25 BUT THEN THE OTHER FACTORS THAT COME IN WITH, WITH, WITH WETLANDS AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPEN ON THE PROPERTY. THAT'S WHY WHEN WE HAVE A PUD, WE WERE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THESE THINGS, WE'D STILL BE ON A MORE REASONABLE LEVEL.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING. I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S ONLY GOING TO DO WHAT IT CAN, WHAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN DO DOUBLE. SO YOU YOU CAN HAVE THE FULLY BUILDABLE COMMERCIAL AND THEN HAVE ALL OF THAT RESIDENTIAL DENSITY AS WELL. JUST ON 25% OF THE PARCEL, IF YOU CAN BE PARKING, WETLANDS, EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT WHAT IT WHAT IT RESULTS IN ULTIMATELY ARE THESE TALLER, HIGHER PROJECTS THAT PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED WITH. WE CAN ONLY GO FOUR STORIES, BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE FRUSTRATION IS THAT FOUR STORIES IS WE'RE HAVING A COMMERCIAL PROJECT AND THEN A FOUR STORY APARTMENT AND THAT'S FINE. I HAVE THREE, FOUR STORY APARTMENTS. RIGHT OUTSIDE MY OFFICE WINDOW ON SAINT LUCIE CRESCENT. AND THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT A PROBLEM. WHEN YOU WHEN YOU WERE CAMPAIGNING, WAS THAT NOT WHAT YOU HEARD AS WELL IS THE FRUSTRATION WITH THOSE FOUR STORY APARTMENT BOXES OR LIKE EDENMORE. RIGHT. HAVING NEXT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOOD, A MASERATI DEALERSHIP AND AN APARTMENT BUILDING, 3 OR 4, 2 OR 2, THE ONES ON THE EAST OCEAN ARE TWO, TWO. OKAY, BUT THEY DON'T MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE TOO. THE ONES THAT I. THERE WERE ALSO 50 YEARS OLD.

WE'RE NOT THERE. THINGS DONE BACK IN THE DAY THAT WERE NOT ACCEPTABLE NOW. BUT YOU KNOW REDUCING FIRES GOING TO MAKE STUFF MORE EXPENSIVE. I MEAN, YES, BUT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT FOR CLARITY. RIGHT. THE BOARD OR THE STAFF HAS NOT BEEN TOLD TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE COMMERCIAL

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AND WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE THIS IN THE FUTURE. WE'RE SAYING 50 TO 50. YOU WANT A 5050 THING, A RELATIONSHIP TO WHERE IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE MULTIFAMILY, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE FAR. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FAR, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE MULTIFAMILY. BUT TOGETHER THEY HAVE TO BE IN HARMONY FOR THE MASS THAT'S ON THAT PROPERTY. INSTEAD OF HAVING FULL ON AND THEN FULL ON BUT SMASHED HERE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE FORM BASED, WELL, RIGHT NOW YOU CAN GET DOUBLE THE DENSITY IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY, THERE IS NO DENSITY MASS. IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE THERE ARE APPLES AND ORANGES, BUT YOU HAVE DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF STUFF IN TECHNICAL TERMS. I MEAN, IT HAS TO DO WITH SETBACKS, WITH MAXIMUM COVERAGE, WITH MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT. I MEAN, IT FIRE IS COMPLICATED. I MEAN, AND AGAIN, THE IT'S NOT AFFECTING FIRE, IT'S NOT AFFECTING ME NO MATTER WHAT OR TWO DEPENDING ON WHAT WHAT THE SITE OF THE ZONING IS USING WALMART. FOR AN EXAMPLE, IF THE FIRE IS THREE, WALMART IS ONLY A SINGLE STORY BUILDING, SO IT ONLY USES THE FIRST LEVEL OF FAR A FAR OF ONE. JUST SO WE KNOW IS 100% OF THE LAND BEING USED. SO IF YOU HAVE ONE ACRE AND YOUR FAR IS ONE, THAT MEANS YOU'RE ENTITLED TO 43,560 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING UP TO IF YOU HAVE A FAR OF TWO, YOU WOULD HAVE 43,560 TIMES TWO. AND IF YOU HAD A FIRE OF THREE, IT WOULD BE 43,560 TIMES THREE. RIGHT NOW, THE REALITY OF IT IS THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS IN OUR CODE, SUCH AS UPLANDS, SETBACKS, PARKING, SIDEWALKS AND OTHER THINGS MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO AND PERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS TO REACH THOSE NUMBERS, ESPECIALLY WITH A FOUR FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT. LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I HAD A TEN ACRE PARCEL AND I COULD BUILD 4,000,000FT■!S OR WHATEVER, THAT EQUATES TO 43,560 TIMES, TEN TIMES THREE, THEN I REALLY COULDN'T BECAUSE I COULD ONLY GO UP FOUR STORIES. AND BECAUSE OF THE PARKING THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY IN THE LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY, AND THE SIDEWALKS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY, AND ALL THE STORMWATER THAT NECESSARY AND ALL THE STUFF I'D NEVER COVER EVERY INCH OF THE SITE. HOWEVER, THE DISCUSSION THAT THE BOARD HAD DURING THE WORKSHOP WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT SOMEBODY TO BUILD A WALMART ON TEN ACRES AND THEN COME BACK IN AND SUBMIT THE APPLICATION FOR MULTIFAMILY AND SAY, WELL, LOOK, I HAVE TEN ACRES, TEN ACRES OF LAND AT 15 UNITS AN ACRE IS A MINIMUM OF 150 UNITS. AND BECAUSE I CAN GO UP TO 30 UNITS AN ACRE, IT'S ACTUALLY 300 UNITS. THIS PROPOSAL, BASED UPON WHAT WAS SAID AT THE WORKSHOP, WOULD BE OKAY. WELL, IF YOU HAD 160,000 SQUARE FOOT WALMART ON IT, AND THEN UNDER THE PROPOSAL OF 800 UNITS, 800FT OF FOR EVERY 800FT OF COMMERCIAL, THAT'S USED, YOU ESSENTIALLY USE UP ONE ONE UNIT OF DENSITY. SO 160 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT WALMART DIVIDED BY 800 EQUALS. YOU WOULD BURN UP 200 UNITS. SO THEN ONCE THAT WALMART PARKING LOT WAS THERE AND WALMART WAS THERE AND ALL THE STUFF WAS THERE ON THAT TEN ACRES, IF THEY CAME IN AND SAID, OKAY, BUT NOW I WANT TO ADD MY DENSITY, YOU'D SAY, WELL, YOU'VE ALREADY BUILT THIS PRETTY BIG BUILDING, SO THE ONLY DENSITY THAT YOU HAVE LEFT IS TEN ACRES. AT 30 UNITS AN ACRE, YOU HAVE 300 UNITS TOTAL, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY USED UP 200 OF THOSE UNITS. SO YOU'RE ONLY ENTITLED TO 100 UNITS. WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT FA? BECAUSE THE FA ISN'T CHANGING, OKAY? THE FA IS GOING TO BE WHATEVER THE FA IS UNDER THE COMMERCIAL CODE. THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGING IS THE DENSITY SIDE OF IT. DENSITY IS CHANGING BECAUSE REALITY IS 200 UNITS. SO YOU LOSE A HALF UNIT, WHETHER IT'S YOU USE A UNIT, WHETHER IT'S A HALF UNIT, OR WHETHER IT'S 500FT■!S OR 1000FT, IF IT'S ACCORDING TO THE PROPOSAL FROM VICE MAYOR, IT'S BASED ON 800FT■!S. SO IF IT WAS 800FT■!S, IF YOU BUILT 150 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, YOU WOULD DIVIDE THAT BY 800.

AND I USED 160 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT BUILDING DIVIDED BY 800 WOULD BE 200 UNITS GOES AWAY. NOW IF YOU CAN ONLY BUILD 15 UNITS AN ACRE AND 200 UNITS WENT AWAY, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY

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YEAH. SO THEN NOT TO GO INTO COSTCO AND GO DOWN THAT ROAD, BUT IF YOU USE A TEN ACRE PARCEL OR A IF YOU USE LIKE THE TEN ACRE PARCEL OR A 20 ACRE PARCEL ON US ONE AND YOU SAY THERE'S A 20 ACRE PARCEL ON US ONE, CORRECT. AND THEY WANT TO BUILD A 100,000 SQUARE FOOT AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIP. SO YOU HAVE 100,000FT■!S DIVIDED BY 800FT■!S EQUALS THAT WOULD BE 125 UNITS THAT COULDN'T GET BUILT. THEN OUT OF THAT 20 ACRE PARCEL, IF IT WAS COMMERCIAL AND IT ONLY AND IT ALLOWED 15 UNITS PER ACRE, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE UP TO 300 UNITS. BUT IT COULDN'T BECAUSE 125 ALREADY GOT SHAVED RIGHT OFF THE TOP, SO IT WOULD DROP IT DOWN TO 20. WHAT DO WE KNOW, 100 AND 175 RIGHT. WOULD BE WOULD BE CUT OFF RIGHT OFF THE TOP WHICH WE WERE DOING THAT MATH THAT BUT THEN IF WE GO THREE THINGS DOWN, I ALSO WE GET INTO THE BONUS PARKING. KNOW. SO

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THEY'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW UNTIL STAFF, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO IS BRING ASKING STAFF TO PUT IT WHAT I'M SAYING, THAT LANGUAGE, WHEN THEY PUT IT TOGETHER, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YES, YES, I AGREE. IF I MAY, MAYOR, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE THE WORKSHOPS AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'LL HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. YOU'LL ALSO HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE ADVISORY BOARD. SO, SO WHAT I HAVE DONE ON THIS SPREADSHEET IS I HAVE RIGHT NOW EACH ONE OF THESE, WELL, I'M JUST EVEN AND IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE A FORMAL VOTE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO

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COMMISSIONER CLARK, NO, COMMISSIONER REED. YES, COMMISSIONER. JOB. YES, MAYOR.

RICH. NO. VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES. NEXT ITEM. MIKE. THE NEXT ITEM IS TO THIS ONE IS GOING TO HOPEFULLY BE FASTER. YES. THIS IS JINXED. THAT ONE I KNOW, BUT THIS IS THE DISCUSSION WAS DENSITY BONUS AND PARKING WAIVERS FOR MIXED USE. SO IN DOWNTOWN FOR EXAMPLE CIVITA WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE COURTHOUSE, THE CODE SAYS THAT BUILDINGS, THEY USED TO BE ALLOWED TO BE FOUR STORIES TALL. THEN THE CODE CHANGED AND SAID YOU COULD ONLY GO TO FOUR STORIES IF YOU ADDED A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. HOWEVER, THE BALANCE IN THAT WAS THAT THAT RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WOULD NOT HAVE A PARKING REQUIREMENT. SO YOU WOULDN'T YOU WERE GOING TO THE PARKING NEEDED FOR THOSE 25% UNITS OR THE TOP FLOOR OF THE CIVITA BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED WITH FIVE UNITS, AND THERE WAS NO PARKING CALCULATION DONE FOR THOSE FIVE UNITS. THE CALCULATION WAS ONLY DONE BASED UPON THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT. THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION WAS THERE IS NO PARKING WAIVERS. IT'S WHATEVER COMMERCIAL PARKING REQUIRES. THE COMMERCIAL PARKING REQUIRES, AND WHATEVER RESIDENTIAL PARKING IS REQUIRED. RESIDENTIAL PARKING IS REQUIRED AND THERE IS NO SHARING OF PARKING BECAUSE MAYBE AT ONE POINT THIS MADE SENSE. BUT NOW PEOPLE ARE WORKING REMOTELY. THERE'S A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY THAT THERE'S COMMERCIAL USE HAPPENING AT THE SAME MOMENT THAT PEOPLE ARE IN THEIR RESIDENCE, AND EVERYBODY NEEDS SOMEWHERE TO PARK. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD IT. YOU NEED TO PARK IT WOULD BE THE SUMMARY ON THIS ONE. SO MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT. WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SUBSECTION FOR 2.0309. AND THE DENSITY BONUS. AND WE CAN'T DON'T REMEMBER THE SUBSECTIONS BECAUSE THEY COULD BE WRONG. IT WOULD BE MORE MOVING FORWARD. THEY ARE WRONG. WE DON'T. THIS IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DURING THE WORKSHOP. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE NO, NO, NO DENSITY BONUSES FOR MIXED USE, NO PARKING WAIVER FOR ANYTHING FULL PARKING CALCULATIONS ON BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. YES. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. MR. MAYOR, I GO AHEAD, PLEASE. AGAIN, I THINK WE HEARD SOME OF THE PUBLIC TALK ABOUT THE IDEA OF EVERYTHING BECOMING MORE EXPENSIVE. URBAN PLANNING TECHNIQUES WITH REGARD TO DENSITY AND PARKING AND NOT CREATING ALL THESE PARKING LOTS. AND I'LL JUST BRING UP CIVITAS, FOR EXAMPLE. THEY HAVE THAT GRASS PARKING AREA THERE. IT'S NOT FILLED UP. THE ROOMS ARE UPSTAIRS. SAME THING WITH STEVE VITALE'S PROPERTIES THERE. HE HAS BOTH RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL DOWNSTAIRS AND THAT'S CALLED ESPLANADE OR SOMETHING. IF I DON'T PRONOUNCE IT RIGHT RIGHT THERE BY THE RAILROAD TRACK AND THERE'S HOMES UPSTAIRS AND THERE'S AMPLE PARKING ON STREET AND, AND THEY HAVE PARKING IN THE BACK. AND I THINK THAT ELIZABETH ISN'T BUILT YET BECAUSE THE ELIZABETH ISN'T BUILT YET. THAT'S NOT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE PARKING THERE ONCE THAT STRUCTURE THAT WE'VE APPROVED IS BUILT. NO, HE I MEAN, I'M SAYING THAT THAT THE WHAT'S EXISTING IS EXISTING THERE NOW ALONG EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD AND FLAGLER AND FLAGLER. NO. ON FLAGLER, FLAGLER ESPLANADE ON FLAGLER AND EAST OCEAN. SAME THING WITH WITH WHAT'S THERE WITH US WITH EAST OCEAN AND THERE EVERY TIME FOLKS COME IN AND WE HAVE TO REVIEW THESE THINGS. AND I KNOW YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS HALF UNIT, BUT THAT THAT'S THAT WAS A PART

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AS I SEE IT, WE ARE RESTORING BACK HOW THINGS WERE BEFORE WE MADE THOSE CHANGES. AND YOU KNOW, I WON'T BEAT THIS TO DEAT, BUT VOTERS HAVE TOLD YOU THEY DON'T LIKE THE DIRECTION WE WERE GOING. THEY DON'T LIKE THIS. THE LEVEL OF URBANISM THAT WE WERE DEPLOYING. THEY WANT A MORE REASONABLE URBANISM IN OUR DOWNTOWN. OKAY. WELL, THIS BRINGS UP THIS BRINGS UP A COMPLAINT. I'M GOING TO MAKE THROUGHOUT HERE IS THIS IS A CLEAR VIOLATION OF OUR COMP PLAN BECAUSE IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE CHANGED POLICY 3.82.6. THE CITY WILL ENCOURAGE NEW CONSTRUCTION THROUGH DENSITY BONUSES. SO WE CAN'T JUST SAY REMOVE DENSITY BONUSES AND WE CAN CHANGE OUR COMP PLAN. THAT'S OKAY. IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE COMP PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO STOP THIS WHOLE PROCESS. NOT TODAY, BUT NO NO NO NO, YOU BETTER BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY THERE. THIS IS NOT THE DENSITY BONUS. THIS IS YOU CAN. THE DENSITY IS ALLOWED AT 15 UNITS.

THIS IS PARKING. PARKING. THIS IS PARKING WAIVER THAT I'M CURRENTLY TALKING ABOUT. IT'S IT. IT WAS DISCUSSED BY THE BOARD AS REMOVING IT AS THE DENSITY BONUS. AND PARKING WAIVERS FOR MIXED USE. AND THAT'S WHAT THE NOTES WERE THAT WERE WRITTEN DOWN. YOU GUYS AREN'T DOING THAT UNTIL LATER ON THE SPREADSHEET, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING PART OF IT. SO I'M GOING TO BONUSES. WE'RE GOING TO I'M GOING TO QUOTE UP TO 20 UNITS AN ACRE, PROFESSIONALLY ACCEPTED MATERIAL. THIS IS FROM KIMLEY-HORN. THIS IS WHO WE HIR.

AND HERE'S WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT PARKING, BECAUSE COMMISSIONER CLARK IS CORRECT. MOST CITIES ARE COMPLETELY OVER PARKED. THESE ARE WASTED HEAT ISLANDS, ESPECIALLY IN FLORIDA. AND YOU CREATE WHAT ARE CALLED PARKING. CRATER IS A PORTION OF A DOWNTOWN THAT HAS BEEN HOLLOWED OUT BY THE PRESENCE OF LARGE SURFACE PARKING LOTS. WHETHER THESE ARE HIGHLY OR POORLY UTILIZED, THEY DEADEN A DOWNTOWN. ITS WALKABILITY, AND MOST IMPORTANT, ITS VIABILITY.

AMPLE PARKING PROMOTES SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLE TRIPS. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE COMPLAIN THE MOST ABOUT TRAFFIC, SINGLE OCCUPANCY, AND IMPEDES THE ABILITY FOR OUR COMMUNITIES TO DEVELOP AND GROW.

IT'S VERY EXCITING. KING COUNTY COMPLETELY REDID THEIR PARKING. THEY WERE SO OVER PARKED THEY SPENT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT TO COLLECT VIABLE DATA AND DETERMINE HOW THEIR COMMUNITY WORKS. WE HAVE DONE NONE OF THAT, AND WE SIT UP HERE AND I AM NOT A PARKING EXPERT. I AM NOT, AND WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO REDO IT AND UNDO IT. I ON WHAT BASIS WE ARE MAKING THIS DECISION. I HAVE NO IDEA. THE VOTERS. OKAY. THE VOTERS ARE VOTERS. THERE'S A PROGRAM CALLED PARK PLUS. JODY, ARE WE FAMILIAR WITH THIS THAT KIMLEY HORN THAT IT'S A PROGRAM THAT ANY MUNICIPALITY CAN SUBSCRIBE TO AND IT ANALYZES ALL YOUR PARKING NEEDS AND REALITY, REPLACING FLAWED STANDARDS WITH THE CUSTOM REALITIES. THIS IS ISN'T THIS WHO WE HIRE? YES.

KIMLEY HORN STUDY AS SOMEBODY WHO SPENDS PROBABLY MORE TIME THAN ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM LOOKING AT WHITE PAPERS PROFESSIONALLY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. Y WHATEVER YOU WANT IT TO SAY. I PROMISE YOU WHATEVER YOU WANT A CONSULTANT TO PUT DOWN, WHATEVER IT. I AM NOT CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THAT SAYS. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE REALITY THAT I

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THERE'S NO THERE'S NO VACANT LAND LEFT AT ALL. BUT I HEARD ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE CITY OF STUART. SINCE THERE'S NO MULTIFAMILY VACANT LAND. SO THERE'S ZERO ACRES OF MULTIFAMILY. SO IT CAN'T BE THAT THERE'S ZERO ACRES OF SPECIAL NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICTS. SO IT CAN'T BE THAT WHAT IT HAS TO BE IS THE THEORY THAT SOMEONE'S GOING TO COME IN AND BUILD MULTIFAMILY, BUT A PUBLIX OR AT THE WALMART. BUT IT WOULD HAVE ALSO PREVENTED SAVVIDIS WITH HAVING 15,000FT■!S OF COMMERCIAL SPACE AND 69 OUT OF THE 138 REQUIRED ON THEIR PARCEL. BUT THE CITY GAVE THEM 19 ON STREET PARKING SPACES, SO THEY HAVE 88 OUT OF THE 138. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT. VOTED NO, THOUGH, CORRECT. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN VOTED NO. PART OF THE PROBLEM. BUT THAT'S SO THAT DOESN'T THE DISTINCTION ON THAT DOESN'T MAKE THE DISTINCTION ON THIS, BECAUSE THAT WAS A BOARD THAT JUST WAIVED THOSE PARKING. CORRECT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT. BUT THIS ISN'T GOING TO WAIT. THIS DOESN'T WAIVE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. IT JUST TELLS STAFF HOW TO DO THE CALCULATION. RIGHT. SO IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, YOU CALCULATE IT FOR COMMERCIAL. IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL YOU CALCULATE IT FOR RESIDENTIAL. WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE ALL THESE ASSUMPTIONS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE SPACES AVAILABLE. WE CAN'T ASSUME EXACTLY. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO CAN CAN I MAKE A STATEMENT. YOU CERTAINLY MAKE AND IT'S YES, IT'S KIND OF A LOT OF TALK IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE BEING MOVED OUT OF THEIR HOMES. THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO STAY HERE. A LOT OF TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, A LOT OF TALK ABOUT WHY DO WE NEED EVEN TO HAVE ZIP IN PROGRESS WHEN WE CAN DO ALL OF THIS WITHOUT ZIP? I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE LAST TEN YEARS. THERE WERE A LOT OF A LOT OF GIVE BACKS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WORD TO USE TO THE DEVELOPERS. AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE LOCAL DEVELOPERS BECAUSE WE WANT THEM HERE. WE WANT THEM WORKING. WE WANT THEM TO KEEP LOCAL PEOPLE WORKING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OUT OF TOWN DEVELOPERS WHO CAME IN AND GOT CARTE BLANCHE. SO WE NOW HAVE AND I KNOW PEOPLE WILL SAY IT. WE HAVE A PARKING ISSUE, WE HAVE OVERCROWDEDNESS, WE HAVE PEOPLE MOVING OUT. THERE IS NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE ONE

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THESE ARE THE CODES. THIS IS HOW IT WILL WORK. AND WE NEED TO CORRECT WHAT HAS BEEN DONE OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS. AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE HERE DOING TODAY. SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN JUST MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. IS THERE A PARKING PROBLEM ON CIVITAS? IT'S NOT BUILT YET. YEAH. IT'S NOT BUILT. NO. NOT FACTORING BECAUSE THAT PART OF TOWN, IT'S OKAY. LET'S MOVE ON OTHERWISE. SO THERE'S A I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A MOTION OR NOT. NO, NO. YEAH. THERE WAS ACTUALLY. YES THERE WAS A MOTION. I SECOND THE MOTION. IT SHOULD BE FOR THE YOU HAVE A, SOME IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE. MIKE. THIS IS THE THIS IS TO CREATE OR REMOVE ANY LANGUAGE THAT COMBINES THE CALCULATION FOR PARKING AND INSTEAD MAKES THE CODE READ THAT PARKING HAS TO BE CALCULATED FOR THE COMMERCIAL AND FOR THE RESIDENTIAL. CORRECT. AND WE HAVE NO SUPPORTIVE MATERIAL OF THAT CLAIM. THE ONLY MATERIAL REGARDING THAT CLAIM IS IN OPPOSITION TO IT. SO. WHATEVER WE HAVE ON SOME STUDIES WITH US. OKAY. YEAH. MARY, CALL THE ROLL. CERTAINLY CAN. MADAM CLERK, COMMISSIONER REED. YES, COMMISSIONER. JOB. YES, COMMISSIONER. COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. NO. MAYOR. RICH. NO. THE NEXT ONE IS JUST A NOTE THAT I WROTE. BECAUSE IN THE CODE IT HAS USES THE WORD. THE WORD LOTS AND LOTS REFER TO A PLAT, AND WE HAVE LOTS OF LOTS. SO. MIKE. YEAH. WELL, BY THE WAY, ONE IF YOU, IF YOU ACTUALLY IF FOR WHATEVER REASON IT DIDN'T PRINT ALL OF THE THINGS BUT IT WAS, IT WAS THE IT RELATED TO LOTS OF AND I THINK I DELETED THE NEXT ONE. OKAY. BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DONE IT. SO WHICH ONE ARE WE ON. TWO. SO I'M ON 4.02. YEAH. REVISED LOTS TO PARCELS. SO LOTS BECAUSE PEOPLE INTERPRETED THAT AS A PARCEL. I MEAN AS A LOT OF RECORD. AND THEY SAID, WELL THAT WAS PLATTED IN 1928. IT'S A LOT OF RECORD. AND WHEN THE COTTAGE LOT WAS WRITTEN, THAT LANGUAGE IN THE CODE SAID IF IT WAS A LOT OF RECORD ON DECEMBER OF 2007, AND WHAT IT WAS REFERENCING IS A PARCEL OF RECORD ON DECEMBER OF 2007, BECAUSE THE INTENTION WAS TO NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPLIT PARCELS OF RECORD TO 5000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AND CREATE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPABLE LOTS. SO THIS IS JUST TO CHANGE THE WORD LOTS TO THE WORD PARCEL. SO 2.0.2 SUPPLEMENTAL AREA REQUIREMENTS. MINIMUM WIDTH. AN AREA OF LOTS UNLESS VARIED BY THE BOA. SO WE'LL KIND OF TAKE THIS PIECE BY PIECE. THE 2.042 THAT I JUST MENTIONED. WE CAN MOVE ON THE NEXT ONE. CORRECT. SO WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT. THEN PARCEL.

YEAH, JUST I'LL BRING THAT BACK BECAUSE THAT WAS JUST REFERENCED FOR STAFF. CORRECT. OKAY. THE NEXT ONE IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THE SETBACKS. AND NO WE HAVEN'T HIT ALL THE SETBACKS.

AND COTTAGE LOTS WOULD BE THE SAME UNLESS YOU GUYS JUST OTHERWISE. THIS IS JUST THE WORD LOTS. YEAH. JUST THE NEXT ONE SAYS NO. PLOTTED LOT SHALL CONTAIN LESS THAN 5000FT■!S. ANI WROTE COTTAGE LOT IN PARENTHESES AT THAT WORKSHOP. THE STAFF SAID THEY WANTED TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE BACK TO 6000. BACK TO. WELL, IT WAS FIVE AND SIX AND 6500. AND SO WE HAVEN'T ISN'T THERE A SECTION SPECIFICALLY MENTIONING COTTAGE LOT I. YES IT IS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THIS SECTION WAS MENTIONING COTTAGE LOT. OKAY. THE BOARD WAS SAYING LOTS OF RECORD ACROSS THE BOARD ACROSS THE CITY TO 6000FT■!S, INCLUDING COTTAGE LOTS. OKAY, SO WHAT HAPPENED TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN APPROVED WITH SMALL LOTS NOW THEY'LL STILL GET TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH. YOU DEEM IT AS CONFORMING. OKAY. RIGHT PRIOR IF THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE OKAY. SO YOU COULD THIS HASN'T BEEN THIS THE BOARD DIDN'T SAY THIS IN THE WORKSHOP. BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ANYBODY THAT HAS A PARCEL OF RECORD THAT HAS A PARCEL ID NUMBER AS OF SEPTEMBER

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BECAUSE WHEN THEY REBUILD THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE THE SETBACKS NO MATTER WHAT. IF YOUR LOT OF RECORD WAS HE ONLY HAD TO HAVE A 300 SQUARE FOOT LOT, YOU'D STILL HAVE TO MEET THE SETBACKS. SO THAT WOULDN'T MATTER IF YOU HAD NO LOT, NO MINIMUM LOT SIZE. THERE'S STILL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MET REGARDLESS OF THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE. SO SETBACKS IS A DIFFERENT THING. YES. AND IF YOU RAN INTO A SITUATION, WOULD YOU GO BEFORE THE BOA OR CITY BOARD? NO. OKAY. WHY WOULD YOU. YEAH YEAH I FORGOT THE BOA IS GOING JUST JUST TO ASK FOR AN I GUESS IF YOU HAD TO, IF YOU HAD SOMETHING. SO IF I HAD A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND I WANTED TO MAKE IT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN EAST STEWART, THERE ARE SEVERAL PARCELS THAT ARE TWO LOTS. LOT FIVE IS 50FT WIDE AND LOT SIX IS 50FT WIDE. AND IT'S IN ONE OWNERSHIP AND IT HAS ONE PARCEL ID NUMBER. ON SEPTEMBER 4TH OF 2024, THAT PARCEL IS 11,000FT■!. IF THAT PERSON WANTED TO COME IN AND BUILD ONE HOUSE ON ONE SIDE AND ONE HOUSE ON THE OTHER, THAT WOULD MAKE 2500 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. AND YOUR PROPOSAL IS THAT IT WOULD NEED TWO 6000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. SO THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OR THE LPA AND SEEK A LOT SPLIT BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T OWN ENOUGH LAND TO DO A LOT SPLIT BECAUSE THEY THE LOT SPLITS RIGHT NOW. IF SOMEBODY CAME BEFORE YOU, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH LAND TO CREATE TWO LEGAL LOTS. AND AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING BACK TO PREVIOUSLY THIS WAS JUST CHANGED IN 2020. RIGHT. IT WAS 6000. IT WAS 6000. THAT BACK TO WHAT I THINK THE POINT WAS TO GET AFFORDABILITY. IT WAS 5000 FOR COTTAGE LOTS AND 6000 FOR R-1. I BELIEVE R1 7500. I BELIEVE. IS THAT R1 A YEAH, R1 A IS ACTUALLY 10,000 R1 7500 R2 USED TO BE 6000, R2 IS CURRENTLY 7500, R3 WAS 6000. AND WHAT IS IT NOW? R2 WAS CHANGED IN 2020 TO 5000 AND R3 WAS CHANGED TO 4356 TO MEET THE ONE ACRE. SO THAT WOULD MAKE IT TURNING IT BACK TO THE 6000. CORRECT. AND I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER COMP COMP PLAN PROBLEM HERE. POLICY 3.82.9 GUIDE FOR LOCATION. THE CITY WILL ADDRESS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDS OF EXTREMELY LOW INCOME, VERY LOW INCOME TO MODERATE INCOME RESIDENTS BY CONTINUING TO PROMOTE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN CITY NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGH REVISED MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS. I'M PRETTY SURE INCREASING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE WOULD NOT CONFORM TO THAT REQUIREMENT. SO THIS IS ANOTHER COMP PLAN CHANGE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS CHANGED. AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS CHANGED TO COME INTO CONFORMITY WITH THE COMP PLAN. AND IT'S GOING TO GO ON LIKE THIS ALL RIGHT. KEEP GIVING LIP SERVICE TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND NOT PROVIDE THE MEANS TO DO IT. THEN IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. NO. EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING, EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING IS MAKING HOUSING MORE EXPENSIVE. DOESN'T CREATE A PURPOSE FOR THIS, IS TO GIVE STAFF SOMETHING TO WRITE.

AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK, WE WILL PROVIDE YOU REFERENCES TO THOSE COMP PLANS WHEN THEY'RE APPLICABLE AND WHAT THE DIFFERENT STUFF IS RIGHT NOW. IF YOU GUYS SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THIS AT ALL, IT WOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIG WASTE OF TIME FOR

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I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE COMP PLAN HAS AN ENTIRE HOUSING ELEMENT AND, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS, BUT ACTUALLY SINCE THE 80S, THAT'S A PERFECT THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE. YOU GAVE MR. MARTELL 10,000 LOTS, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO TO SIX, THERE'S A FELLA COULD HAVE BUILT OR A PERSON COULD HAVE BUILT. WE COULD MAKE THEM TWO. NOW, THAT PROPERTY CAN ONLY SUPPORT ONE HOUSE. THAT ONE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE. AND IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING I THINK I THINK THAT'S THE POINT HERE IS IF YOU HAVE IT EXISTING, YOU ARE CONFORMING. THERE SHOULD BE NO ISSUE. WE'RE NOT TAKING. BUT THESE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE BY THAT PREVIOUS COMMISSION, WHERE WE'RE HAVING SMALLER AND SMALLER LOTS, IS NOT CONSISTENT. THAT'S NOT WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THEY CHANGE THE COMP PLAN TO. THEY MADE CHANGES TO THE COMP PLAN TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THIS. THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THOSE CHANGES AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE STILL DON'T HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT DOESN'T MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE. IT MAKES IT MORE DENSE. THESE CHANGES ARE GOING TO PROMOTE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. ANY OF THES, NEITHER WILL NEITHER ONE WILL. NO, NEITHER ONE OF THEM. BUT IT WILL MAKE IT MORE DENSE. IT WILL MAKE TRAFFIC WORSE. WE DON'T BUILD AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT. SO TO REFERENCE, IT IS ALMOST WORSE HAVING MORE UNITS WILL MAKE MORE TRAFFIC. SO WE'RE HALFWAY THERE.

OKAY. HALFWAY THERE. ISN'T THAT A SONG? THE NEXT ONE IS THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH. MUST BE 50FT.

SO DO YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THAT? I NEED TO VOTE. SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL THAT WE. I KNOW THAT WE RESTORE IT BACK TO 6000. AND WOULD YOU NEED IT BEING CONFORMING? I HAVE A DATE. I'VE ADDED IF IT'S EXISTING, IT WILL BE CONFORMING. EXACTLY RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT WAS IMPORTANT. YES. OKAY. SO YOU MADE THE MOTION. MADE A MOTION. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR AND ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. MAYOR. NO, I HAD SENT I HAD SENT TO STAFF AND ASKED THEM TO GIVE ME SOME NUMBERS. AND I HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THESE LOTS AND WHAT WHAT THE BREAKDOWN ESPECIALLY FOR A COUPLE OF PARTICULAR AREAS, I'D ASK THEM.

I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT INFORMATION YET, SO I STILL AM NOT COMFORTABLE, BUT I IMMORTAL SAYS, I KNOW YOU SENT ME AN EMAIL, BUT I DIDN'T GET TO LOOK. YEAH, I DIDN'T GET TO LOOK AT I.

YEAH, YEAH, I KNOW, ALL RIGHT. SO CAN I CALL A ROLL CALL? AREN'T THESE MATERIALS SUPPOSED TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW WITH A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS BEFORE OUR MEETINGS? NO, THIS IS A QUESTION THAT I HAD OF STAFF, BUT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. I WASN'T SAYING THAT TO YOU, MARY. I WAS LOOKING AT YOU, BUT SAYING IT. YES. VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. MAYOR. RICK. NO. NO. MAYOR. RICH. NOPE. COMMISSIONER. READ. YES. NEXT ONE MINIMUM LOT WITH MUST BE 50FT IS DEFINED BY CODE. WHEN I SAY AS DEFINED BY CODE, THE REASON THAT LANGUAGE. THERE IS A TERM OF ART BECAUSE THE CITY CODE. WE HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON CUL DE SACS, AND SO THEIR DRIVEWAY MIGHT ONLY BE 25FT WIDE, BUT AT THE END OF THEIR THEIR LOT AT THE VERY BACK END, IT'S 150FT WIDE. AND SO THE CITY CODE SAYS THE AVERAGE LOT WIDTH OF THE LOT. AND I'M JUST PUTTING THAT IN THERE. IS THAT MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF 50FT AS DEFINED BY CODE IS WHAT. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT. THAT'S WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS. RIGHT. WELL IF THERE'S NO MINIMUM LOT WIDTH, IT CURRENTLY ISN'T ANYTHING. SO YOU'RE GETTING AT LEAST A FALL BACK 50FT. THAT'S FINE. NOW YOU COULD DO THE SAME THING THAT YOU'VE DONE BEFORE. AND THAT IS THAT IF YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A PARCEL OF RECORD THAT IS 40FT, THE LOTS LIKE THIS LESS THAN 40FT. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE WIDTH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE WIDTH. YEAH. IF YOU HAVE A SKINNY AND A WIDE NO AVERAGE. THE OTHER THING IS, IS I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S THE INTENTION OF THE COMMISSION TO CHANGE THE ESTATE LOTS FROM R-1, A THAT ARE EITHER 75 OR 100FT MINIMUM LOT WIDTH TO 50. I THINK IT'S THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH. AS IT RELATES TO THE VERY MINIMUM UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL CODE FOR LOT WIDTHS AND SAME KIND OF A THING. IF YOU HAVE IT EXISTING, THEN YOU'RE CONFORMING, BUT OTHERWISE IT'S 50. IF YOU'RE CREATING A LOT RIGHT. THE MINIMUM. RIGHT. BUT AGAIN, JUST LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE FIRST 2 OR 3 ITEMS, IF WE ALREADY HAVE SOMEBODY LIVING ON A PROPERTY OR DOING SOMETHING THAT'S CONSIDERED CONFORMING. BUT IF WE'RE CREATING IT, EVEN

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02I BELIEVE HE WENT BACK I WAS AT I THINK I WAS AT 2.0, 4.03. SEE. OKAY. AS FOR TO MOVE ON, I'LL SAY MAKE A MOTION TO DO THAT AND THEN WE'LL GET THE DETAILS. OKAY. MOTION. CAN I JUST CLARIFY. VICE MAYOR. YEAH. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK AND SECOND BY THE VICE MAYOR. ROLL CALL PLEAS. MINIMUM LOT WIDTH MUST BE 50FT AS DEFINED BY CODE. RIGHT. 20402 NO, HE SAID OH THREE. THAT'S NOT OH THREE. NO. 020402A2. OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S LIKE SECTION C OKAY. NO. LOT. SO IT'S 20402A. AND IN SUBSECTION TWO OKAY. NO RESIDENTIAL B IN THE CASE OF IRREGULARLY WE'RE NOT EVEN CHANGING THIS THEN. NO WE'RE NOT CHANGING IT. YEAH. THAT'S WHY EXCEPT BECAUSE I AGREE WITH THE URBAN CODE. THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY MINIMUM LOT SPACE. AND DURING THE STAFF MEETINGS OR DURING THE WORKSHOPS, THE BOARD SAID ACROSS THE BOARD, THROUGH THE WHOLE CITY. SO IT ALSO WOULD APPLY TO EAST STEWART, THE CREEK DISTRICT, THE CRA NORTH OF THE BRIDGE, EVERYWHERE. SO WE ARE CHANGING IT. THAT DEFINITION IS JUST IN THE CODE AND DEFINED, BUT THAT IS WHAT THE BOARD IS TELLING US TO DO. IF YOU'RE CREATING A NEW LOT, YOU'RE CREATING A NEW, THE MOST EFFECTIVE, BUT OTHERWISE YOU'RE CONFORMING. OKAY, FINE, FINE. IF YOU'RE CURRENTLY THERE, UNANIMOUS ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MAYOR. MADAM CLERK, I HAVE A MOTION BY ULLA WHO SECONDED THE VICE MAYOR. VICE. OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SELBY. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. YES, MAYOR. RICH. YES, COMMISSIONER. REED. YES, VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES.

IMPERVIOUS. SO WHAT? SECTION 2.04.0 32C IS WHAT YOU SEE. BUT AT THE FIRST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT REDUCING COMMERCIAL IMPERVIOUS TO 50% FROM 65%. AND THEN AT THE SECOND WORKSHOP THAT CHANGED TO JUST CHANGING IMPERVIOUS OR MAYBE THE THIRD TO JUST CHANGING IMPERVIOUS ON MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES AND NOT ADDRESSING THE COMMERCIAL. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE EXPERIENCE OF THE STAFF IN THE PAST IS THAT THE LESS IMPERVIOUS YOU ALLOW, THE MORE LIKELY YOU ARE TO GET HEIGHT. OVER IN RIO, THEY RAN INTO AN ISSUE WHERE THEY RAN UP AGAINST THE IMPERVIOUS AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, WE'LL JUST GO FOUR STOREYS AND THEN THEY TAKE 25%. THEY GET 25% OF THE IMPERVIOUS USE BACK BECAUSE THEY'RE PUTTING IT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. SO LET'S LEAVE THIS ALONE WOULD BE MY ASK IF UNLESS YOU GUYS ARE, IT'S AGAIN YOUR GUYS'S CALL. OKAY. WE CAN ALWAYS ASK THEM FOR IT. YEAH, WE COULD DO IT. OKAY. IT SEEMED TO BE ACCOMMODATE. THE TECHNOLOGY'S IMPROVED. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS RELUCTANT. AND I DON'T WANT TO TIE UP COMMERCIAL EITHER. OKAY, SO THEN WE CAN MOVE ON. WHAT? WHAT I DON'T WANT TO TIE UP COMMERCIAL. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT ALONE, OKAY. YEAH. NO VOTE, NO VOTE NECESSARY. NEXT ITEM. I DON'T NEED A VOTE TO NOT CHANGE SOMETHING. RIGHT. SO THE NEXT ONE IS SIDE SETBACKS BEING A MINIMUM OF TEN FEET. WE HAVE SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE SIDE SETBACKS OF FIVE FEET. IT WAS A DISCUSSION DURING THE WORKSHOP. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT I HAVE EIGHT FEET AT MY HOUSE. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE I WOULD SAY LEAVE IT ALONE. SO WHATEVER IT IS CURRENTLY, JUST LEAVE IT. I DID WHAT? YEAH, BECAUSE IT COULD BE VERY UNFAIR. A SMALL LOT, TWO TENS, 20 COULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A BIG PERCENTAGE. IT'D BE A VERY NARROW HOUSE THEN RICH HOUSE.

OKAY. SO MOVING TO THE NEXT ONE. LEAVE IT ALONE. OKAY. THERE WAS A CREATE. THERE WAS A CREATED DEFINITION IN REGULATION OF DETOXIFICATION FACILITIES SIMILAR TO THE COUNTY REGULATIONS. SEAN, WHAT WERE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? THIS WAS KIND OF YOUR BABY. ARE WE ON WHICH ONE WAS IT? 062603 OKAY. 603 WAIT, I'M I'M SURE YOU KNOW THE COUNTY REGULATIONS. YEAH, I'M SURE YOU KNOW THE NUMBERS. OH, THE COUNTY REGULATIONS WERE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS. OH, CERTAIN DISTANCE IN BETWEEN. YEAH, THINGS LIKE THAT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE SAME AS

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THE NEXT I KNOW, I KNOW MR. PATEL HAS TO PUT THEM IN. RIGHT. SO DOES THAT DOES THAT REQUIREMENT STILL IN PLACE. YOU IT WAS APPROVED. IT WAS APPROVED OKAY. IS ANYTHING GOING FORWARD A COMMISSION CANNOT REQUIRE IT AS A CONDITION OF DEVELOPMENT. AND I THINK THEY RELIEVED HIM FROM QUITE A BIT. I THINK WHAT I RECALL WE'VE GOT FOR THE EV CHARGERS, I THINK THE BOARD RELIEVED HIM FROM QUITE A BIT FOR THE REQUIREMENTS. YES WE DID. WE HAD SOME JOINT THINGS TOO. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE NOTHING. NOTHING. WE HAVE TO COME IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE LAWS. SO THAT'S FINE. THE NEXT ONE WAS ADUS AND THE INTENTION WAS TO BE ON THE SAME WATER ELECTRIC METER AS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE, SINCE THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE ADU IS THAT'S AS DISCUSSED AT THE WORKSHOP. IT WAS THAT IF SOMEBODY FROM OUT OF TOWN IS BUYING THESE PROPERTIES AND LOOKING AT THEM AS AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY AND WANTING TO HAVE MULTIPLE UNITS, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO PUT A TENANT IN THE BACK AND A TENANT IN THE FRONT AND DO IT AS AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY AND RENT OUT AIRBNBS OR SOMETHING. WHEREAS IF THEY'RE LIVING IN IT AND THEY WANT THEIR MOTHER IN LAW OR SOMEBODY IN THEIR FAMILY TO LIVE OUT IN THE BACK AND THEY WANT TO CARE FOR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT, IT WOULDN'T MATTER IF THEY'RE ON THE SAME UTILITY BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF THEIR FAMILY OR WHATEVER IT IS. AND EVEN IF IT'S A STRANGER LIVING OUT BACK, IF YOU LIVE IN THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE, YOU'RE GOING TO SAY THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS FOR LOCAL PEOPLE. THAT'S REASONABLE FOR LOCAL. THAT'S ALREADY THE CODE IN THE IN THE STUART DISTRICT. BUT YEAH, ESPECIALLY I'M SORRY. THE CODE IS JUST THAT THEY HAVE TO BE ONE A RESIDENT OR THE OWNER. THEY'RE TIED TO EACH OTHER. I GOT PUSHED BACK ON THIS. THE KEY IS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. I GOT PUSHBACK ON THIS. WELL, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WAS THE PUSHBACK. WHAT WERE THEY SAYING? WE'RE ALL TALKING. HOLD ON. I'M SORRY. THEY'RE OLDER. THEY NEED HELP. THEIR FINANCES ARE STRETCHED.

WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THIS, AND THEY WANT TO GET A RENTER IN. AND THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THE LONG, HOT BATHS. AND, WELL, IT WAS NOT AN UNREASONABLE. YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO HELP PEOPLE OUT AGAIN, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HELPING. THERE'S YOU KNOW, WE CAN PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR WE CAN HELP THEM PAY THEIR BILLS TO STAY WHERE THEY ARE. BUT YOU CAN'T DISTINGUISH LOCAL AND EAST. STUART, IT'S A MARRIAGE. IT'S A PROBLEM. I AGREE. IT'S ONE OF THEM LIVES IN THERE. BUT I APPRECIATE THE CONCERNS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE RICH. YES, COMMISSIONER REED, MAYBE MIKE CAN CLARIFY TOO. WHAT'S IT COST TO PUT ANOTHER WATER METER IN IF YOU HAD TO FOR AN ADU JUST FOR THE METER SPECIFIC, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE, ISN'T IT? I THINK IT'S 4700 BUCKS. YEAH, THAT THAT DOESN'T SOUND CHEAP TO ME. NO, IT'S NOT CHEAP. SO IF YOU HAD ONE, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR AN ADU. THAT'S MY OPINION. THAT'S THE PURPOSE. AND LET THEM CORRECT. IF YOU HAD A FAMILY MEMBER, A FRIEND I DON'T THINK SOMEONE LIKE THAT WOULD BE AS CONCERNED FOR THEIR WATER OR ELECTRIC BILL TO WHERE THEY COULD WRAP IT UP INTO THE RENT INSTEAD OF SOMEONE JUST DIVIDING IT. YOU KNOW? AND LIKE MIKE SAID, I'M JUST SHARING WITH YOU WHAT I'VE HEARD, AND I UNDERSTAND. I JUST IT'S EXPENSIVE TO ADD A WATER METER,

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YOU COULD THAT WOULD BE MULTIPLE METERS, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE A MULTIPLE MAIN COMING IN FROM FPL. AND IT WOULD BE METERED. OKAY. BUT THE MULTIMETERS. BUT AS FAR AS THE RESIDENTIAL AND ALL THAT, IF IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY ZONED, YOU'RE GOING TO ONLY GET I'M ONLY GOING TO GIVE YOU THE ONE METER. OKAY. GO AHEAD AND UPGRADE TO A 400 AMP, 3 OR 400 AMP WHERE YOU CAN HAVE TWO MAIN TWO MAIN, MAIN BREAKERS. GO FOR 200 FOR THE MAIN HOUSE AND GO FOR 100 OR 125 ON THE ACCESSORY. I MEAN, SO DEFAULTS TO THE CODE, THEN IT DEFAULTS TO THE TO THE USE.

RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU HAVE BMU, WHICH IS BUSINESS MIXED, USE. STUART. IF SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO DO A, A HOME WITH AN ADU OUT BACK AND CALLED A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, IT WOULD STILL IT WOULD HAVE TWO METERS. OR IF YOU'RE IN SO YOU'RE ON RIGHT OVER HERE ON OSCEOLA OR SEMINOLE OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND YOU BUILD A HOUSE AND YOU BUILD A GUEST HOUSE BEHIND IT, YOU CAN PUT THE LIKE WHERE MARK WAS HERE, BUT WHERE MARK BRECKBILL IS LIVING ON OSCEOLA, THE LADY LIVES IN THE HOUSE, AND THEY CONVERTED THE GARAGE INTO AN APARTMENT UP ABOVE IT. BUT BECAUSE THAT'S IN THE DOWNTOWN ZONING, IT HAS NO RESTRICTION ON IT. AT ALL. YOU COULD HAVE TWO METERS. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO OR NOT THERE. ACCORDING TO MARK, IF I ONLY HAVE ONE PARCEL NUMBER, HE HE ONLY GIVES THEM ONE WATER METER ON PARCEL NUMBER AND ONE. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT POWER OR WATER? I'M FOLLOWING THE SAME THING FOR POWER. OKAY. IF ON THAT PARCEL, MARK'S ONLY GOING TO GIVE THEM A ONE METER FOR THE WATER, A GRINDER OR GRAVITY TIE IN, AND I'M GOING TO GIVE THEM ONLY THE MAIN ONE METER THAT THE FPL IS GOING TO GIVE FOR THAT ADDRESS. AND THEY CAN UPGRADE THE SERVICE. AND THAT SPLIT IT EXACTLY WHAT THE COMMISSION DOES. SO HAVING JUST BUILT AN ADU, I WAS TWO INCHES AWAY FROM HAVING NOT ENOUGH SLOPE TO JUST TIE IN TO MY EXISTING CITY SEWER. RIGHT? SO SAY I DIDN'T HAVE THOSE TWO INCHES THEN I WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO DO A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM. NOW I HAPPEN TO HAVE A GUY WHO'S OVER ON, I THINK. I THINK HE'S ON 16TH. HE DOESN'T HAVE THE FALL FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. THE FALL, RIGHT, RIGHT NEAR THE HOUSE. RIGHT. BUT HE CAN GO TOWARD THE ROAD WHERE HE'S GOING TO HAVE THE FALL AND COME BACK OUT AND DO THE GRAVIT.

BUT WHAT'S THAT? HE'S GOING TO PAY FOR THAT NEW GRINDER RIGHT? LIFT STATION. WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THE GRINDER. OH, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT ANY BLOCKAGE THAT THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHERE THE TAP IS BEFORE THAT BLOCKAGE COULD PUMP, COULD MAKE THE

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AMEND THE ADU CITYWIDE TO INCLUDE BEING ON THE SAME METER. AND I'M GOING TO SAY THAT I WANTED WHATEVER IS IN THE CURRENT FORM BASED CODE FOR EAST STUART TO STAY THAT WAY. AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE SAYING CITYWIDE, WILL YOU ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION? NO, I WANT IT TO APPLY TO THAT. THAT WAS MY MAJOR CONCERN WITH IT. THE FORM BASED CODE IS IF YOU WANTED IT TO STAY A VENTURE THAT WAS FOR RESIDENTS AND STAYED FOR LOCALS, YOU WOULD WANT THERE TO BE ONE METER. IF YOU WANTED TO OPEN THE DOOR TO OUTSIDE INVESTORS COMING IN AND NOT HAVING TO POTENTIALLY LIVE THER, OR WE CAN'T MONITOR IT ANYWAY. SO THEY COULD SAY THEY ARE, BUT NOW THEY HAVE TWO METERS. THAT MAKES IT MORE OF A COMMERCIAL VENTURE. I MEAN, NOBODY'S GOING TO LOSE, NOT GOING DOOR TO DOOR TO CHECK IF SOMEBODY LIVES THERE ANYWAY. BUT AT LEAST IF YOU HAVE THE ONE METER YOU CAN MAKE THAT MORE RESTRICTIVE, THAT FAMILY OR FRIEND. IF YOU MAKE IT TWO METERS NOW, IT'S TRULY A COMMERCIAL VENTURE AND SOMEBODY COULD COME IN AND HAVE THOSE ALL BE STACKED UP. LET ME ASK SOMETHING, MR. HATTON. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION AGAIN? SO I KNOW THAT THIS IS LIKE A BUILDING TYPE THING. SO IF PEOPLE HAVE AN OLDER HOME AND THEY HAVE, LIKE, ISSUES LIKE ELECTRICAL ISSUES, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AMP AND ENOUGH WHATEVER IT IS, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS ADU ANYHOW AND TIE INTO IT, THEY'RE GOING TO LITERALLY HAVE TO UPGRADE THEIR ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS, WHICH IS WHICH IS WHY IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN EAST STUART CAN'T EVEN AFFORD A ROOF OR THEIR AC UNIT TO DO ANYTHING ON THEIR HOUSE.

WHO'S GOING TO COME IN AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE EAST, STUART, SO THEY CAN MAKE SOME EXTRA MONEY WITH AN ADU. THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO BUILD AN ADU. A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT IT WILL OPEN THE DOOR FOR OUTSIDE INVESTORS AGAIN TO COME IN AND LEVERAGE THAT. WE'VE DONE THIS. THAT WAS A MAJOR TO STOP THEM FROM TRYING TO DO OKAY. IT'S I HOPE WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS IN LATER TIMES AND IN LOVE WITH LOOKING AT BRIGHTLINE.

THAT'S MY PARTICULAR WORRY, IS THAT PUTS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT ISSUE REALLY. NO. OKAY. SO, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE, WITH REGARD TO THE ADUS UPDATE, THE I GUESS WOULD BE PRIMARILY THE EAST STUART, BUT FORM BASED CODE TO INCLUDE ON THE SAME METER. RIGHT. SO WHAT IT WAS IS I'M JUST GOING TO RESERVE CITYWIDE. OKAY. YEAH. IF THERE'S A SECOND CITYWIDE CITYWIDE. SO WE NEED A SECOND FOR I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NO. WE'VE HAD IT.

ROLL CALL PLEASE. MADAM CLERK. MAYOR RICH. YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT. YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT. IT'S A GOOD POINT. IT'S NOT A BAD. IT'S A GOOD POINT. I IT'. I'M GOING TO SAY NO. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER CLARK. NO, I WANT TO RESERVE. WAIT. VICE MAYOR COLLINS. RESERVE. YES. VOTED NO.

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BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IN THE ADU PORTION OF THE STATUTE. AND IT CAME UP DURING THE WORKSHOP.

OKAY. SO HELP ME CLARIFY AGAIN ALL FOR ONE. YOU HAVE A PROPERTY AND YOU'RE ENTITLED TO PUT AN ADU ON YOUR PROPERTY. YOU CAN'T RENT OUT THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE ADU HOUSE, CORRECT? YOU CAN ONLY RENT OUT ONE OR THE OTHER. STUART CURRENTLY IS YOU CAN. STUART ALREADY HAS THAT REGULATION BUT CITYWIDE DOES NOT OKAY. SO YEAH THEN WE WOULD WE WOULD NEED TO DEPLOY THAT CITYWIDE. SO THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S ANOTHER MOTION FOR THAT. YES. CAN I MAYOR CAN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE UPDATE THE ADU CODE OCCUPIED. YOU MUST HAVE AN OWNER IN ONE OF THOSE TWO UNITS CITYWIDE, NOT JUST IN EAST STUART. I AGREE. HOW DO YOU ENFORCE IT? SECOND, IT'S A TOOL.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO BE GESTAPO AND CHECK ON EVERYBODY. BUT WHAT WE FOUND IN THE PAST IS THAT NEIGHBORS TURN EACH OTHER IN. GOTCHA. RIGHT. SO DOESN'T THIS RUN AFOUL OF THE AIRBNB? IT COULD BE. CAN THEY CAN RENT OUT THEIR WHOLE HOUSE. THEY RENT OUT EVERYTHING, RIGHT? SO YEAH, BUT YOU CAN AIRBNB YOUR WHOLE HOUSE. I MEAN, PEOPLE CAN SAY THAT WE'RE RESTRICTING THEM. HOUSE TO I CAN'T RENT IT TO TWO INDIVIDUALS. IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. SO IF I STARTED RENTING MY HOUSE AND BROKE IT UP INTO FOUR DIFFERENT SECTIONS AND RENTING IT OUT AS A FOUR UNIT APARTMENT, IT WOULD VIOLATE THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OF MY APARTMENT. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE IT'S AN AIRBNB. I'M AN AIRBNB IN BOTH UNITS. YOU CAN'T. THE STATE SAYS THERE ISN'T BOTH UNITS. THERE'S ONLY ONE UNIT. THAT'S THE ADU. YOU DON'T HAVE TWO UNITS. YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO. WE'RE. YOU'VE ADDED AN ADU, WHICH HAS ONE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. NOW YOU'RE WE'RE CALCULATING DENSITY AND WE'RE SAYING YOU HAVE A DUPLEX BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER A SINGLE FAMILY. IT'S NOW A DUPLEX. THIS IS IT'S TWO UNITS. THIS IS JUST. THANK YOU, MR. MARTEL. THIS IS TO STO. WHAT IS THAT RENTAL THING CALLED AIRBNB? THE AIRBNB VILLAGE. SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT WE STILL HAVE REAL PEOPLE LIVING THERE IN THE REAL COMMUNITY, FAMILIES, FRIENDS, WHATEVER. IT'S NOT JUST SOMEONE COMING INTO TOWN FOR TWO. IT'S NOT AN EPIDEMIC LEVEL.

WE'RE NOT LIKE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE WORLD HERE. THIS ONE IS NOT A BIG DEAL. BUT OKAY, I SECONDED IT. YES, YOU DID. I'M PROUD OF YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER REED. YES, COMMISSIONER GIOVI.

YES, VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. YES, MAYOR. RICH. YES. HEY, HOW ABOUT THAT? THE NEXT ONE IS DUPLEXES. AND FOR CLARITY, I'VE GOTTEN SOME MAIL AND SOME EMAIL AND SOME OTHER THINGS. AND SOME CALLS FROM SOME RESIDENTS AT FISHERMAN'S VILLAGE. THIS CONCEPT IS NOT RELATED TO FISHERMAN'S VILLAGE IN ANY WAY. FISHERMAN'S VILLAGE IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR DUPLEXES, AND IT'S PLATTED AS DUPLEXES, AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM ARE OWNED SEPARATELY FROM DIFFERENT SIDES. THIS IS RELATED TO THE DUPLEXES ON SIXTH, SEVENTH, EIGHTH, AND FLAMINGO AND OCEAN IN THAT AREA BACK THERE. THAT WAS ANNEXED IN THE CITY OF STUART IN THE LATE 80S. THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE SINGLE FAMILY AND HAS SINGLE FAMILY ZONING. WHEN WE GOT A PERMIT APPLICATION SEVERAL YEARS AGO FOR THOSE PROPERTIES TO FOR SOMEBODY TO IMPROVE ONE OF THE DUPLEXES, WE SAID, WELL, WE CAN'T BECAUSE IT SAYS IT'S SINGLE FAMILY. AND AFTER LOOKING AT IT AND LOOKING AT ALL THE HOUSES ON THE STREET, WE SET IT FOR HEARING TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO DUPLEX BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY DUPLEXES. WE DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS. WE WERE WRONG. THERE WERE LOTS OF OBJECTIONS. THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD CAME OUT IN DROVES.

AND HELEN MCBRIDE ACTUALLY HAD A COPY OF THE LETTER THAT SHE HAD SAVED SINCE 1986, IN HER HAND.

AND IT CLEARLY STATED THAT THESE PROPERTIES WERE GOING TO BE CONFORMED AT SOME POINT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. SO WHAT'S HAPPENED, AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING THE WORKSHOP, IS OUR CURRENT GRANDFATHERING OR NONCONFORMING CLAUSE SAYS THAT YOU CAN MAKE IMPROVEMENTS UP TO 50% OF THE VALUE OF YOUR PROPERTY BEFORE YOU HAVE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW CODE. SO IF ONE OF THESE DUPLEXES BURNS TO THE GROUND, THEY'LL ONLY BE ABLE TO BUILD A

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BECAUSE THE INTENT WHEN THEY ANNEXED IN WAS THAT THOSE WOULD ALL COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH BEING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOOD PER THE COUNTY AND ANNEX I. BUT THIS, THIS IS THESE BUILDINGS ALL EXIST. THERE'S NO FEAR THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE NEW CONSTRUCTION BETWEEN NOW AND THE ZONING IN PROGRESS. MY NOTES WILL BE THAT WE WILL BRING BACK INFORMATION TO THE BOARD THAT SHOWS OWNERSHIP TO SEE IF ANY OF THEM GOT SPLIT INTO DUAL OWNERSHIP. I DO THINK WE SHOULD STUDY AND WE CAN STUDY IT, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS NEW LANGUAGE ADOPTED BY MARCH 4TH AND MAKE IT BY THE ZONING IN PROGRESS, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO NEW APPLICATIONS, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL ALREADY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM ON ONE SIDE AND RENT OUT THE OTHER SIDE. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK SO THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. THERE'S A LOT OF RENTALS OVER THERE. IT COULD BE AN OWNER THAT THAT DOESN'T EVEN LIVE THERE. HE JUST OWNS THE PROPERTY. CAN I SAY SOMETHING? MR. EMERGENT. YEAH. SO YEAH, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. BUT IF WOULD THERE COULD THERE BE POTENTIAL LANGUAGE THAT WE SAY THAT IF THOSE WHO ARE SIMILAR SITUATED SO THAT WE'RE NOT ARBITRARY ON ON THIS, IF WE DESCRIBE CERTAIN THINGS AND THEY'RE SIMILAR SITUATED PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY OF STUART IS GOING TO GIVE X TWO YEARS, 18 MONTHS, WHATEVER FOR PEOPLE TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO MAKE IT A DUPLEX OR REMAIN

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WHICH IS WHERE THE WHOLE ISSUE STARTED. THE CITY'S ANSWER WAS TO REZONE LIKE THREE CITY BLOCKS, A TOTAL OF 13 OR 14 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES INTO DUPLEX. SO I, I PHOTOCOPIED THE MAP AND I AND I WENT DOOR TO DOOR AND HANDED THAT STUFF OUT. AND OVERWHELMINGLY, PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING THAT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD DIDN'T. WE ALL VIEWED THAT AS THE BEGINNING OF, OF THE END WITH ALL THE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND WE WANT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO STAY EXACTLY HOW IT WAS. SO THE UPROAR WAS ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THE CITY'S ANSWER TO MAKE TO MAKE THESE TWO RENEGADES CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WANT STRUCTURES OR DUPLEXES, YOU KNOW, TO IT JUST LOOKED LIKE, MAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE GAME ON. PEOPLE BUYING UP THESE LITTLE HOUSES AND MAKING THEM ALL DUPLEXES. OKAY. AND HELEN HAD AND PAPERWORK AND OCEAN AVENUE. I KNOW THAT. SO I THINK THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS, HEY THEIR THEIR GRANDFATHER THOSE TWO IN AND JUST CALL IT A DAY.

THAT'S IT. GRANDFATHERED IN. OH THEY ARE OKAY OKAY. YEAH OKAY. YEAH. SO BUT THAT'S THAT IS THE BUT THAT WAS THE REACTION. THE REACTION WAS TO HOW THE CITY'S ANSWER WAS GOING TO BE TO REZONE 3 OR 4 CITY BLOCKS, 14 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, ALL IN THE DUPLEXES. THAT'S WHAT RAISED THE UP. YEAH. OKAY. WHAT IN RESPONSE TO THIS I WILL BRING BACK THE INFORMATION ON IT. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT FOR THE ZONING IN PROGRESS BECAUSE NOTHING CHANGES IN THE ZONING.

YEAH, YEAH. SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO THAT ONE OKAY. THE NEXT ONE WAS TABLE FOUR. AND THIS IS THE EXACT SAME QUESTION WE HAD ABOUT THE 1000FT OF COMMERCIAL IN THE FA AND THE DENSITY BECAUSE WE BROUGHT IT UP AT A SECOND WORKSHOP. SO WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT. AND WE CAN GO ON 800. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT IT SAYS HERE. LIKE WE'RE ALL AGREED. WE'VE DEALT WITH THAT. YES. OKAY THEN. SO STORAGE THE WHICH ONE IS. NO, NO THIS IS DIFFERENT. I HAVE 202 COMING UP HERE. I'M CONCERNED. WHERE ARE YOU MR. MARTIN? IT IS THE SELF STORAGE IS THE NEXT ONE. THE QUESTION IS WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT? THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CONSENSUS THAT SEEMED TO KEEP SHOWING UP. WAS THAT EVERYBODY THOUGHT SELF STORAGE WAS FINE, AS LONG AS IT WASN'T IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THEY DON'T EVEN LIKE IT ON US. ONE, US ONE, OR DOWNTOWN OR EAST OCEAN. AND SO THE REAL ISSUE IS, IS THAT IT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL. AND IN REALITY, SELF STORAGE IS A VERY LOW INTENSITY USE. IT DOESN'T MAKE NOISE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TRAFFIC.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DOESN'T HAVE JOBS. WELL THAT'S THE OTHER THING. AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TAXES. IT'S WAREHOUSE. RIGHT. SO TO ME BECAUSE IT'S WAREHOUSE, IT KIND OF FALLS AS AN INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. RIGHT. AND SO YOU COULD AND AGAIN, YOU COULD DO THE SAME THING YOU'VE DONE BEFORE. THE ONES THAT ARE IN AND BUILT ARE ALLOWED AND CONFORM AND THEY GET TO STAY. BUT WE HAVE SITUATIONS IN THE PAST WE'RE COMING UP WHERE WE HAD SELF STORAGE UNITS APPLYING TO BUILD NEXT DOOR TO SELF STORAGE UNITS. I MEAN THAT MEANS WE ARE A BUNCH OF HOARDERS. YES WE ARE, BUT THE POINT OF IT BEING IS THAT YEAH, I MEAN THEY DON'T CARE WHERE THERE'S NOT. THERE'S VERY LITTLE LAND LEFT IN STUART INDUSTRIAL LAND. YEAH. ANY LAND FOR ANY PURPOSE WHATSOEVER. YOU SAY INDUSTRIAL DOESN'T BENEFIT THE CITY AT ALL WHEN PRIME REAL

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YEAH. MOST OF THEM ARE COMMERCIAL. YEAH. SO WHEN WE CHANGE IT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WE'LL HAVE THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT SAYS WE CAN IDENTIFY THEM. THESE GUYS WITH BUSINESS TAXES FOR SELF STORAGE ARE GOING TO BE CONFORMING. SO IF THEY BURN DOWN THEY CAN BUILD THEM BACK.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY DETRIMENT. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY TAKING. THERE'S EXIST OKAY. NOTHING'S GOING TO TAKE AWAY FROM THEM. IT'S JUST WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD ANY NEW ONES NEXT DOOR TO THEM OR WHATEVER IT IS. IT'S ON COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL. SO THERE IS A MOTION. THERE IS A SECOND ROLL CALL, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER CLARK? YES, COMMISSIONER. JOB? YES, COMMISSIONER. REED. YES, VICE MAYOR. COLLINS. YES, MAYOR. RIC.

YES. AND THIS WAS ANOTHER ONE CAME UP IN ANOTHER ONE OF THE WORKSHOPS THAT NO ONE WANTED, SHARED PARKING. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALREADY SO WE CAN KEEP GOING. THE NEXT ONE WAS THE URBAN CODE PUD RELATED TO HALF UNITS. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT. WE TAKE HALF UNITS OUT ENTIRELY. I VOTED FOR THAT. IT IS IN THE COMP. THE ONE PROJECT THERE ON EAST OCEAN. AND THEN ACTUALLY THERE'S ONE ON TWO ON EAST OCEAN BECAUSE I THINK WE HAD ONE. WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS OR I HAVE A COMMISSIONER READ OR CAN WE HAVE A SECOND? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'M SORRY. I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER REED. ANY DISCUSSION OR CAN WE JUST GO TO ROLL CALL? NO, I WAS JUST REREADING IT TO. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE STAFF BRING. I MEAN, TALK ABOUT THAT AGAIN AVAILABLE IN AN URBAN PUD.

RIGHT. THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION IS THAT OUR DISCRETION. SO THE COMMISSION COULD VOTE NO. NOW WE ONLY HAVE TWO PROPOSED ONES, RIGHT. TO HAVE ONE BUILT AND ONE ONE PROPOSED. YEAH. AND SO THIS WOULD BE REMOVING THAT ENTIRELY. CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT YOUR MOTION IS. YES. YES. NO, NO. THAT'S NO LONGER AFFORDABLE. ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER COLLINS.

YES I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER CLARK. NO. MAYOR. RICH. NO. COMMISSIONER. GOBI. YES, COMMISSIONER. REED. YES. MR. COLLINS IS NOW THE VICE MAYOR. I DON'T CARE, I MADE A SIGN FOR U.

YOU NEED A PIN. NEXT ONE IN EAST STEWART ZONING SFD, WHICH STANDS FOR SINGLE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX.

THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED AT THE THIRD WORKSHOP TO ALLOW DUPLEXES TO CONTINUE, BUT ONLY BY COMMISSION ACTION. CURRENTLY, THEY'RE AVAILABLE BY. RIGHT. WHERE'S WHERE'S OUR DENSITY WITHIN A PUD. WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE OKAY I DON'T SEE IT HERE, BUT THE UNITS WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT BEFORE WE LEAVE. CURRENTLY ALLOWED ONLY BY COMMISSION ACTION. FORGIVE ME. SO BACK TO WHERE WE WERE. AND WHERE IS THIS MIKE? SFD IS EAST STEWART I KNOW, BUT IT'S ABOUT A THIRD OF NEW CODE. IT'S ABOUT THE LDC, IS IT? IT'S IN THE IT'S THREE IN THE IT'S IN THE STEWART. IT'S IN THE EAST STEWART. URBAN CODE OVERLAY. THAT WAS ADOPTED AND IT OKAY SPECIAL ZONING CODES EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD REQUIRED BOARD PRESENTATIONS. AND SO THIS NO IT'S CURRENTLY YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX USES. YOU HAVE THREE TYPES OF ZONING. YOU HAVE BMU SFD. AND I KIND GROW AND GROW GROW. CORRECT. WHICH IS AND SO IN THE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX ZONING CURRENTLY IN EAST STEWART, IF YOU HAVE NO MINIMUM LOT SIZE, NO MINIMUM LOT WIDTH, AND BY RIGHT YOU CAN BUILD A DUPLEX. WHY WOULD YOU BUILD THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND COMPLY WITH THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT REGULATIONS OF BEING HAVE TO BE SMALLER THAN THE FRONT HOUSE AND ALL THAT

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ANYWAY. SO WHEN I PUT THIS DOWN, I HONESTLY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GOING TO BE MUCH OF A RUB BECAUSE EAST STEWART WENT BERSERK RIGHT? BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ALONG THAT AREA, AND THEY WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WAS COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT THEY HAVE NOW, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY OTHER PEOPLE IN OTHER AREAS WHERE THE PUBLIC HOUSING IS. THERE'S LOTS OF DUPLEXES THERE, AND THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY WHO HAS AN INFILL WHO WANTS TO DO A DUPLEX CLOSE TO THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S A MCCARTY PROPERTY WHERE THE HOUSE WAS TAKEN DOWN ON BAHAMA NASSAU. THERE'S PLACES WHERE PEOPLE COULD DO INFILL.

AND EVEN THOUGH HABITAT, WHEN THEY CAME IN AND THEY BUILT THOSE HOMES, THEY BUILT SINGLE FAMILY. BUT AND NOBODY HAS SAID ANYTHING TO ME ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD AFFECT THEM COMING IN WITH A PARTICULAR THING. AND, AND IT IS COMMISSION ACTION IS REQUIRED. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT JUST BECAUSE IT'S LIKE THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT WOULD NEVER BE APPROVED OR SOMETHING, BUT THAT COMMISSION ACTION DOES CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO COME OUT. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE, OKAY, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM IN THIS PARTICULAR STREET AND EVERYBODY'S OKAY, OR NO, THIS IS NOT OKAY. THAT MECHANISM THAT'S THERE, BY HAVING IT BE BECAUSE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEIGHBORHOOD VALUES ARE IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS KIND OF STUFF. BUT I DON'T I YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO. WELL, WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND SEE WHAT'S VOTING FOR OR AGAINST ANYTHING TONIGHT. IT'S JUST YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. SO, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT. WE MAKE THAT UPDATE TO THE. I DON'T THINK SFD IS IN. IS IT IN CREEK AS WELL? NO, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST IN THE STEWART RIGHT STEWART ZONE AND IT'S AND YOUR S N 23 OR I'M SORRY S N 24 AND THE CREEK BECAUSE A LOT OF DUPLEXES OVER THERE I MEAN THAT'S ALL THAT'S THERE. THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE CREEK IN THAT. BUT IN THE PART OF THE CREEK FROM COLORADO TO A-1-A BY THE BY RIGHT OF SOME.

BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE ARE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT JUST SFD. YOU'RE TAKING THAT GROW AND BMU THAT'S IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT'S REVERTING BACK TO SF SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THEN NOT NOT JUST DUPLEX BUT BMU AND GROW. YOU CAN DO IT. BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH COMMISSION ACTION. SO WE HAVE DUPLEX. WE HAVE DUPLEX HERE. BUT THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING.

SO IT'S ANYWHERE IN EAST STEWART WHERE A DUPLEX WOULD BE WOULD REQUIRE COMMISSION ACTION. SO WHAT WHAT WE WHAT I BROUGHT UP AND WE DISCUSSED AT THAT MEETING WAS WITHIN THAT INTERIOR WHERE THERE EXISTS BMU AND GROW THAT THAT WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY HOME BUT THAT YOU COULD BUT HANG TIGHT BUT THAT YOU COULD WITH COMMISSION ACTION LEVERAGE THAT BMU OR GROW. BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH COMMISSION ACTION AND THEN ON YOUR MAIN THOROUGHFARES LIKE MLK AND EAST OR NOT, EAST 10TH, WHERE IT'S UP AGAINST THE STREET, THEN IT WOULD REMAIN GROW OR BMU LIKE IT IS. WELL, WHERE THEY HAVE AN OVERLAY AREA IN THERE. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS. I MEAN THAT WE CAN THEY CAN COME IN AND, AND DECIDE, YOU KNOW, TO WHETHER OR NOT TO, TO USE THE, THE MIXED USE DEVELOP WITH MIXED USE WHICH IS THE, THE BMU. I THINK THAT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WANT TO CHANGE IT, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH COMMISSION ACTION. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S SINGLE FAMILY, BUT THEN YOU CAN DO THIS. CORRECT? I THINK THAT YOU KNOW THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE THE OPTION TO STILL OPENLY WITHOUT HAVING TO COME THROUGH SO MANY HOOPS. WELL, WE WANT PUBLIC WE WANT PUBLIC INPUT. CORRECT? I KNOW, BUT THEN IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD AND TURN IT INTO CITY PLACE, RIGHT? SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU GO THROUGH, COMMISSION ACTION AND WE CAN HAVE A HEARING UNLESS IT'S ON A MAIN THOROUGHFARE. WE HAD PUBLIC INPUT FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE WE PUT THE. YOU HEARD HOW FRUSTRATED ALBERT WAS THAT ON MLK. WELL, I'LL, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. IMAGINE

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WHETHER IT'S BMU OR GROW, YOU CAN ONLY LEVERAGE THAT THROUGH THE MECHANISM OF COMING IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION AND HAVING A HEARING SO THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO COME IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE DON'T WANT THAT TO BE A BUSINESS MIXED USE THREE STORY THING OR YEAH, IT'S OKAY. THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT INPUT. AND IF WE JUST MAKE IT BY RIGHT THAT YOU CAN DO GROW OR BMU. SO MOVING. EXACTLY. WE'RE REMOVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S ABILITY TO HAVE A SAY. SO LET THE OVERALL OVERLAY STILL BE MIXED USE. YES. AND THEY HAVE TO COME IN WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL THING IF THEY NEED TO. IT WILL BE BECAUSE IT WILL BE SINGLE FAMILY. BUT WHAT WILL BE BEHIND SINGLE FAMILY WITH COMMISSION ACTION WILL BE THE ABILITY TO DO BMU. THERE, ISN'T IT? YOU CAN'T DO IT BY RIGHT. YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO IT WITH COMMISSION ACTION. SO IT SHOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY SLASH BMU SLASH, WHATEVER. AND THEN THE CURRENT MAP AS IT EXISTS IS FINE, BUT WHEREVER IT SAYS GROW, IT'S STILL SINGLE FAMILY. UNLESS YOU HAVE COMMISSION ACTION. AND THEN YOU CAN LEVERAGE GROW OR BMU EXCEPT FOR THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES. WELL, WE'LL SEE THE LANGUAGE AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE COME OUT WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS ALL ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THINGS FIT FOR PEOPLE WHO CURRENTLY LIVE THERE. AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL MAINTAIN A CERTAIN CHARACTER IN THE FUTURE. SO THIS GIVES THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY, CORRECT? YEAH. GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHAT HAPPENS. AND THEN THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS ON EAST. RIGHT. THEY CAN STILL DO SOMETHING OR SELL THAT PROPERTY OR DEVELOP I.

BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY COME IN AND BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO IT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, OKAY. SHOULD WE VOTE ON THAT? I SPENT TWO YEARS LISTENING. YEAH. AND WE CAME UP WITH THE FORM BASED CODE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT DOESN'T COUNT. OKAY. SO MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE I GUESS IT WOULD BE A MAP AMENDMENT GOING THROUGH THERE, BUT THAT WOULD INCLUDE, WELL, THAT'S A LAND USE. YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S WHAT YOU'D USE, THAT FUTURE LAND USE JUST THE DUPLEX FOR ALL THREE ZONING TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE. OKAY. DUPLEXES ARE GOING TO COME IN. THAT'S FINE. RIGHT. BUT NOT JUST DUPLEX. AND THEN NO, IN SINGLE FAMILY SFD GROW AND BMU, A DUPLEX HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. IT ALSO BMU OR GROW HAS TO BE APPROVED. OH BE SO BMU AND GROW SO ANY USE AT ALL FOR BMU BEING APPROVED? YES. OTHER THAN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY, THAT WOULD COME. THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING. SO. WELL, IT'S BUT IT'S I MEAN WE IT STILL CAN BE INCLUDED TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN BRING IT FORWARD AND ADDRESS THE REQUIREMENTS OF APPROVAL. BUT IT'S WHAT NOW I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE VICE MAYOR IS SAYING IS HE'S SAYING UNLESS IT'S SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN EAST STUART, IF IT'S ANY OTHER USE, IT REQUIRES ESSENTIALLY A CONDITIONAL USE OR A HEARING IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL, EXCEPT FOR THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES, LIKE I AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY HEAVY HANDED. THAT'S THE CORE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOOD. WE THAT WOULD REQUIRE A MAP AMENDMENT TO REZONE BECAUSE REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING, LIKE YOU WOULD SAY WITH COMMISSION ACTION THAT A COMP PLAN ISSUE, IT'S NOT A COMP PLAN ISSUE. IT'S A SO, SO THE COMP PLAN OF DOWNTOWN ALREADY EXISTS AS A LAND USE, BUT A FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF MAKING IT HERE, THERE, OR ANYWHERE WOULD CHANGE. EAST STUART AS A FUTURE LAND USE OF EAST STUART RIGHT WITHIN IT. IT HAS ZONING RIGHT OF SFD GROW AND BMU. SO IF YOU'RE CHANGING THE ZONING FROM R1 TO R2, IT'S NOT A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. IT'S A ZONING CHANGE. IN THIS CASE, YOU'D BE CHANGING THE ZONING FROM SF, FROM GIA, FROM BMU TO SFD. RIGHT. OR OR JUST BMU PMU WITH CONDITIONAL WITH TEXT. YES. TO SAY THAT ANYTHING OTHER THAN

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YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S GOING TO BE CITY PLACE, AND THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND NOBODY'S CONFUSED. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? IF YOU WANTED TO MAINTAIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALLOW IT TO CONTINUE TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY, IT NEEDS TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME UNLESS YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO DENY THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THEIR COMMUNITY BY OKAY, NONSENSE OR WHATEVER. OVER THE LAST 60 YEARS. COME ON, COME ON. WHERE ARE WE AT, MR. MARTELL? WHO STOPPED THAT FROM HAPPENING ON THE ON THREE? DO YOU WANT THE.

SO THE AGENDA ITEM WAS THE DUPLEXES REQUIRED COMMISSION ACTION AND VICE MAYOR COLLINS HAS ADDED THAT BMU AND GROW FOR OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WOULD ALSO REQUIRE COMMISSION ACTION. CORRECT. SO MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE A MOTION PATERNALISTIC. I'D LIKE TO MOVE A MOTION ALONG THOSE LINES. MAYOR. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? I'LL SECOND IT.

ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. CLARK. I'LL AGREE WITH IT FOR DISCUSSION SAKE. HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME GOOD RESPONSES FROM STAFF ON HOW THIS MIGHT WORK. COMMISSIONER REED. YES,

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VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES, LET'S TAKE LET'S TAKE A TEN MI HE'S GOING TO PUT A TAG ON THIS RECONVENE THIS MEETING, MR. MARTELL. NEXT ITEM, PLEASE. OKA, SO DURING THE BREAK, I WAS LOOKING AT THE NOTES OF THE AGENDA ITEM AND UP ABOVE IN THE THIRD ONE WHERE IT SAID REMOVE DENSITY BONUS AND PARKING WAIVERS FOR MIXED USE. THE DENSITY BONUSES NOTES ALSO REFLECTED THE COMMISSION'S COMMENT ON DENSITY BONUS AND I ALSO FOUND IT IN TABLE FOUR, WHERE I'VE GOT A COMMENT HERE RELATED TO THE FA TO ADDRESS THE DENSITY BONUS AS WELL. AND WE DIDN'T. THE COMMISSION IN THE FIRST WORKSHOP AND THE THIRD, I BELIEVE, TALKED ABOUT IT VERY VAGUELY, BUT DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY A NUMBER. AND THEY SAID, WHAT IS THE AMOUNT ALLOWED BY RIGHT. AND SO IT'S DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT ZONING CATEGORIES, BUT IN MULTIFAMILY YOU'RE ALLOWED 15 BY RIGHT. AND THEN IN COMMERCIAL YOU'RE ALLOWED TEN BY RIGHT, DEPENDING ON WHAT PART OF THE CITY, BUT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ZONING IS OR WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE IS. AND SO THE REAL ISSUE IS WHAT IS THE DENSITY BONUS AND THE DENSITY BONUS IS THE UP TO 30 UNITS AN ACRE PART.

AND SO THE DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD WAS TO REDUCE IT FROM UP TO 30 TO AN UP TO NUMBER OF LESS THAN 30. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE A CRACK AT THAT? I MEAN, I'LL START AT 29 GOING ONCE AND A HALF. NO, HALF. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL GIVE INPUT. I WOULD SAY FIVE UNITS BEYOND WHAT YOU HAVE BY RIGHT. SHOULD BE THE WIGGLE ROOM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING ADDITIONAL DENSITY. SO IF YOU CAN HAVE TEN YOU WOULD GO TO 15. IF YOU CAN HAVE 15 YOU WOULD GO TO 20. ODD NUMBERS. SO I CAN I, I WHAT SECTION ARE WE IN. WE'RE BACK TO TWO. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE IN BECAUSE IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE. RIGHT. BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE SECTION 2.03.07 IS A MAXIMUM DWELLING PER UNITS PER ACRE FOR EVERY SINGLE ZONING DISTRICT R1, R3, R4, D, B1, B2, B3, B4, CFPB, IP, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, ETC. SO IF I LOOK UNDER COMMERCIAL WHERE IT'S B, THAT WOULD BE TEN UNITS AND THEN UNDER PD IT'S GOT SOME FIFTEENS AND RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT THAT'S STRAIGHT ZONING. AND THEN DOWNTOWN IS 15 AND WITH UP TO 30. AND SO I DON'T KNOW. SO INSTEAD OF 30 YOU WOULD BE AT 20 OKAY. I MEAN I IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD OF THE I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S NOT THE CONSENSUS, BUT AND THEN AND THEN AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS EAST STUART. RIGHT. 15. IT WAS 17. SO IF IT'S FIVE MORE THEN IT'S NOT 20. IT'S 22. I MEAN TO THE POINT IS THAT IN ORDER TO GRANT THAT THEY'D HAVE TO COME IN. WE'D HAVE TO APPROVE IT. SO I DON'T I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO. YEAH. AND AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL DENSITY THEN I DON'T SEE THE POINT OF I.

RIGHT. YOU'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE CAPPING IT AT WHAT YOU CAN HAVE. BY RIGHT. WE'RE GIVING SOME ROOM THERE FOR DENSITY BONUS. SO YOU'RE GOING FROM NOT SPECIFICALLY EAST STUART BUT IF YOU CAN GET TEN YOU CAN GO UP TO 15. BUT IT DOES CREATE A HARDER NEGOTIATION FOR THAT DENSITY. YOU'RE YOU'RE GIVING UP MORE IN THAT PUD TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT DENSITY. SO INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO GET 30 UNITS PER ACRE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT 20, WHICH I WOULD SAY MOST OF THE PROJECTS EVEN. RIGHT. THE APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE AROUND THE 20S ANYWAY. YEAH. ZERO MULTIFAMILY RIGHT. YOU HAVE ZERO NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT. WE HAVE LESS THAN 20 ACRES OF OFFICE RESIDENTIAL. WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS TWO PARCELS.

YOU HAVE THE TAYLOR PROPERTY. WELL, WELL, I GUESS THERE'S THREE. BUT YOU HAVE THE EDENMORE PARCEL. THAT'S ALREADY GOT AN APPLICATION IN THAT FALLS UNDER WHATEVER THE PRIOR LAW IS ANYWAY. HOWEVER, THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS THIS IS FOR THE COMMISSION TO VOTE HOW IT VOTES ANYWAY. THEN YOU HAVE THE 24 ACRE PARK PARCEL AT THE SOUTH END OF STUART THAT USED TO BE

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BY RIGHT THEY CAN GO TO 20 AS A BONUS. AND IF IT WAS 17 BY RIGHT THEY CAN GO TO 22 AS A BONUS BECAUSE THAT'S EDDIE STUART. AND THAT'S REALLY THE THREE PRIMARY NUMBERS. YEP. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT THERE'S THE PROJECTS THAT WERE ALREADY APPROVED AT ABOVE 20 UNITS PER ACRE THAT WERE 24 UNITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THOSE WOULD BE CONFORMING AS OF SEPTEMBER.

RIGHT. AND THERE'S CONFORMING BECOMES COMPLICATED AS WELL BECAUSE LIKE YOU HAVE THE GUY IN EAST STUART THAT DIDN'T GET THE PERMITS THAT HAS THE SEVEN APARTMENTS THAT WE'RE HOLDING HIM BACK, AND HE HAS TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE. SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO ADD LANGUAGE THAT ONLY THOSE THAT WERE LEGALLY, LEGALLY BINDING ON SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024 WILL BE CARRIED FORWARD. THOSE THAT WEREN'T WILL NOT. THEY HAVE TO THEY HAVE TO STILL COME BEFORE YOU GUYS. BUT HIS DENSITY IS GOING TO BE LIMITED TO 22 UNITS PER ACRE, NOT 30 UNITS AN ACRE. I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, RIGHT? OH YEAH, ALL OF IT. IT'S GOING TO BE A NEW APPLICATION THAT HE HAS TO MAKE. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S OTHERS I JUST THE PROBLEM IS I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S OTHERS. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS OVERLAYING THING THAT WE ADOPT EVERYBODY, THAT'S OKAY. EVERYBODY AND

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RIGHT, ALL OF OUR CODE. SO, RIGHT. IF KINGSWOOD HAD TO REBUILD SOME BUILDINGS, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO RE PARK THAT. NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE CONFORMING. IF THE PARKING IS CONFORMING NOT CONFORMING AS A GRANDFATHERING. GRANDFATHERING IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY BRING IT INTO THE BRING IT UP TO THE NEW CODE. SO IF ONE OF THEIR BUILDINGS GOT TORN DOWN OR BURNED DOWN, THEY'D HAVE TO BRING UP ALL THE PARKING TO BUILD THAT BUILDING BACK. IF YOU DEEM THEM AS A LEGAL, WHATEVER THEIR DENSITY IS, ITS DENSITY IS, THEN IT'S DIFFERENT. OKAY. AND PARKING ET CETERA. TO OTHERWISE, MR. MAYOR, THEN I WOULD HAVE TO MOVE INTO YOUR ADU ADU BECAUSE WHERE WOULD I GO? WELL, YOU DON'T WANT TO LIVE WITH THOSE EXAMPLES BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING ANYWAY, BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A FEW THAT DO CREATE A YEAH QUESTION, WHICH WE CAN WORK THROUGH. IF I HAVE A SECOND, SORRY. SECOND, THAT MOTION, CAN I CONFIRM THAT THIS IS FOR 2.0310.10? IT'S NOT. IT'S FOR INNUMERABLE THINGS TO DO WITH NUMBERING. IT'S NOT ON THE CHART. PUT IT AT THE BOTTOM. I HAVE SOME NOTES AT THE BOTTOM ANYWAY. YEAH, IT'S OFF THE CHARTS. THEY JUST SAY DENSITY BONUS. THANK YOU. BY THE WAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE, MADAM CLERK, COMMISSIONER COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. SELBY. YES, COMMISSIONER. READ. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. I'M DOING A NO ON THIS ONE UNTIL I GET MORE INFORMATION. THANK YOU, MAYOR RICH. NO. OKAY, SO NOW MOVING O. THE MULTIFAMILY PARKING SHALL BE IN. THIS IS 6.01.03. THOSE OTHER TWO, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE. WE HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT FOOTNOTE ONE IS JUST A NOTE TO ME TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T MISS IT IN THE CODE. MULTIFAMILY PARKING SHALL BE INCREASED BY 0.5 FOR EACH CATEGORY, AND NO SHARED PARKING. OBVIOUSLY THE NOTE HERE WAS DURING THE BANG. STAFF RECOMMENDS UTILIZING THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS. I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THAT PART. YEAH, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING AGAINST IT. CORRECT. THAT'S JUST THOSE ARE THESE ARE THE NOTES. YEAH. SO I WOULD NOT INCLUDE THE MOTION. IS THAT BUT THEN ALSO WE ALLOW THE, THE AGAIN THE PARKING FOR CONFORMIN. BUT THEN WE UPDATE THE MULTIFAMILY PARKING TO INCREASE IT BY 0.5 FOR EACH CRITERIA. OKAY. AND THEN CONFORMING PROPERTIES. YEP. OKAY. SO THAT'S I FORGOT THE NEW CONDITION. IT'S 2.5 UNITS INSTEAD OF 1.5. IT'S NOT 5.5 BECAUSE IT WASN'T TWO BEFORE. A TWO BEDROOM UNIT WAS 1.5 UNITS PER ACRE OR PER PER UNIT. AND YOU GUYS CHANGE IT TO 2.5 UNITS PER SPACE. THE COMP PLAN SAYS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, REDUCE HEAT ISLAND REDUCTION AND ALL THIS EXCESSIVE PARKING IS JUST CRAZY. IT'S JUST CRAZY. AND ALL THE STUDIES NOW SHOW IT WILL BE REALLY NICE WHEN THAT SB 102 PROJECT COMES IN AND THEY CAN'T PARK IT THOUGH. SO DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS? I THINK WE'VE TOUCHED ON ALMOST ALL THESE ISSUES. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND UNLESS YOU GO, WELL I JUST NEED CLARITY. IS IT 0.5 FOR EACH CATEGORY. IS IT OH POINT FIVE OKAY. SO WE NEED A MOTION. WE NEED TO CALL ROLL ON THAT. YEAH WE ALREADY HAD A MOTION RIGHT. IT'S ON. SO WE HAVE A SECOND. DID WE HAVE A SECOND ON. YES I DO HAVE PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS OKAY. COMMISSIONER JOB WAS A SECOND COMMISSIONER. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER, READ. YES, COMMISSIONER. GIOVI. YES, VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES, MAYOR. RICH. NO. COMMISSIONER. CLARK, WHICH ONE IS THIS? 3.026.01.0101

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IT'S A MITIGATION. YEAH. WILL YOU I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S NOT HUGE, BUT IT'S JUST A TOOL WHEN IT COMES RIGHT DOWN TO IT OR IN THE DEFICIT AREA WHERE OBVIOUSLY IT'S A MEMORIAL PARK. I DON'T NEED MORE TREES. I KNOW. IT'S THEY DON'T HAVE THEY DON'T HAVE TO CONFORM TO IT. RIGHT.

OBVIOUSLY IT'S ALWAYS COMMISSION CAN DEVIATE. THAT'S RIGHT. THE ZONING. SO MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ALONG THOSE LINES THAT WE UPDATE THE COMMERCIAL SHADE TREE CALCULATION TO SAY THAT COMMERCIAL. IT WOULD BE THE RIGHT AGAIN, IT WAS THE WHAT YOU SAID AT THE MEETING WAS JUST IN THE MULTIFAMILY. YEAH. OKAY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I BELIEVE, COMMISSIONER COLLINS SAID IS THERE'D BE MORE GREEN SPACE FOR CHILDREN OR SHADE FOR KIDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT. WE'RE ACTUALLY BUT THIS IS THE REASON MULTIFAMILY, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO REDUCE GREEN SPACE IN THE CITY WITH OUR EXCESSIVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S ALSO A FACT OF LIFE. SO THANKFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME TREES, THOUGH. BE SHADED IS HOT. THE COMP PLAN ALSO SAYS WE SHOULD STRIVE TO HAVE MORE COMPACT DEVELOPMENT TO CREATE MORE GREEN SPACE, BOTH FOR PUBLIC USE AND FOR TO TREAT OUR ENVIRONMENT BETTER. BUT WE'RE IGNORING THAT AS WELL. SO THAT'S CARS WE'RE MOVING. OH, NO MORE CARS. YOU THINK SO? LESS DENSITY, MORE CARS. I KNOW I'M NOT ALLOWED TO QUOTE STUDY, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT LEAVES US. ALL RIGHT, SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION HERE, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO INCREASE THE SHADE TREE CALCULATION FOR MIX OR FOR ANY, ANY PROJECT THAT INCLUDES. NOW YOU'RE EXPANDING IT TO ANY THAT INCLUDES MULTIFAMILY COMMERCIAL.

IT'S JUST MULTIFAMILY ONLY MULTI. WE'RE NOT DOING MIXED US. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MIXED USE IS GOING TO BE MULTIFAMILY. YOU DON'T HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN WALMART RIGHT. I KNOW I JUST JUST SO YEAH IT'S ALWAYS MULTIFAMILY. BUT YOU CAN IF I HAVE A SECOND. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. MR. MARTELL, DO YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT CLARITY? ROLL CALL PLEASE, MADAM CLERK. COMMISSIONER. CLERK. YES, VICE MAYOR. COLLINS. YES, MAYOR.

RICH. YES, COMMISSIONER. READ. YES, COMMISSIONER. GOBI. YES. WITH THE LEED CERTIFIED. YOU'RE JUST TAKING THAT OUT, RIGHT? THE LEED CERTIFIED IS I. AND I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH STAFF ABOUT IT. THE TRUTH OF IT IS, IS ALL OF THE APPLIANCES AND ALL OF THE STUFF THAT WAS REQUIRED BACK IN 2004 WHEN THAT WAS ADOPTED. TECHNOLOGY HAS ALREADY OUTBEAT IT. SO EVERYTHING YOU CAN'T BUY, STUFF THAT DOESN'T MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS. SO EVEN IF YOU WENT OUT OF YOUR WAY, YOU COULDN'T NOT VIOLATE THIS. AND I THINK IT'S IN THE COMP PLAN. SO BUT WE'LL GO WE'LL LOOK TO CLEAN THIS UP. BUT WE DON'T ACTUALLY APPLY THIS PORTION OF THE CODE TO ANYBODY ANYMORE. WE USED TO GIVE REBATES, BUT NOW EVERY SINGLE STOVE AND EVERY SINGLE AIR CONDITIONER AND EVERY SINGLE WINDOW ALREADY MEETS THE CRITERIA. AND THE LIGHT BULBS ALL MEET IT. IS THAT TRUE? CAN WE JUST REMOVE IT? EVERY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, EVERY SINGLE WINDOW, EVERY MEETS OUR STUFF THAT WAS WRITTEN IN 2003 NOT MEET. SO WE OWE FROM 2004 ADDRESS IT IN A DIFFERENT LEVEL, BUT THE STUFF WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS NOT WHAT IS NEEDED. YEAH, WE'RE GOOD ON THAT ONE. IT DOESN'T MATTER WITH REGARD TO SIGNS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, THAT'S NOT CONSULTING.

THAT'S NOT FOR THE ZONING IN PROGRESS. CORRECT. YEAH. WE'LL MOVE ON. YEAH. EXCEPT FOR THIS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. AND THEN. A NEW SUNSET DATE WAS REQUIRED FOR SIX. I'M SORRY.

WHERE ARE WE, MR. MARTEL? 601.9. SEE? LET ME JUST SEE WHAT IT WAS. ARE WE AGREED THAT A CONSULTANT SHALL BE HIRED TO REWRITE THE SIGN CODE? DID WE AGREE ON THAT? YEAH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AGREEING, IS THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN THE OKAY. ZONING IN

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AND YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK LATER AND CHANGE IT IF YOU WANT TO. ANYWAY. AND AGAIN, I DON'T WHEN YOU GET RIGHT DOWN TO IT ON THE US ONES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, PARKING IS NOT THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE WITH PARKING IS IN THE PARKING EXEMPT. AND THE IRONY IS THAT CODE DOESN'T APPLY TO THE PARKING EXEMPT. OKAY. SO THEN ARE WE AGREED 6.0 1.10 A I DON'T KNOW WHY I WANTED A WHOLE NUMBER THERE. LET ME JUST SEE. SO IN THE EVENT THE COMPUTATION OF THE NUMBER OF ONE ZERO RESULTED IN A FRACTIONAL SPACE, THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED SPACES IS THE NEAREST WHOLE NUMBER. AND THAT WOULD BE ROUNDING DOWN OR UP RIGHT BEFORE IT WAS ROUNDING UP POINT FOUR. BUT THAT MEANS FIVE SPACES, RIGHT? NOT SIX SPACES. EVERYBODY AGREES NO CHANGE NEEDED. OKAY, WE'RE ALL AGREED ON THAT. OKAY.

YES. ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT MUST COMPLY WITH MINIMUM LANDSCAPE STANDARDS. I THINK THAT WE ALL ARE IN AGREEMENT. THERE ANYWAY. THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY SHOULD NOT BE MODIFIED BY HOMEOWNERS.

THIS IS. THESE WERE SURVEYED. BUT DON'T FORGET, THIS IS NOT ZONING. WE OWN PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHT? A HOMEOWNER CAN'T COME GET A PERMIT TO MAKE A PARKING SPOT ON PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ANYWAY, SO WE DON'T NEED TO REWRITE CODE TO ADDRESS THAT AND THEN NOT FUTURE NO GRAVEL. SO ON 19 WHAT IS THE EXISTING IS THIS WHAT IT IS EXISTING OR WE'RE CHANGING IT. LET ME SEE WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE RIGHT OF WAY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WELL THAT WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU GUYS BROUGHT THAT UP AT THE WORKSHOP. BUT THE CITY OWNS THE RIGHT OF WAY. CORRECT. SO YOU DON'T HAVE ZONING ON RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHT? LIKE NO ONE'S GOING TO APPLY TO BUILD A BUILDING ON THE RIGHT OF WAY ON OUR SHELVES. IF SOMEBODY BUILDS A PARKING SPACE ON IT, WE HAVE THE RIGHT, RIGHT NOW TO SAY NO, TAKE YOUR PARKING SPACE OFF AND WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING. WELL, CORRECT. RIGHT. IT'S NOT.

WE'RE NOT WE HAVE THE ISSUE ON THAT ONE STREET WHERE WE'RE GIVING LICENSES. THIS IS NOT A

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IT'S DO WE HAVE TO ADD, THOUGH IN NO FUTURE, THE GRAVEL SITUATION, WE DON'T HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN ANYWHERE BECAUSE THE CODE IS DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR PERMITS. IF WE PUT THAT GRAVEL LANGUAGE IN THE CODE, IT WOULD INFER THAT THEY COULD APPLY FOR THE PERMIT IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND THE REALITY IS WE CAN GRANT LICENSES TO PEOPLE TO DO IT, BUT WE REALLY DISCOURAGE IT BECAUSE IT CREATES ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS. BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS, IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO BE ANNOYING TO YOUR NEIGHBOR, YOU COULD GO PARK YOUR CAR IN THEIR PARKING SPACE THAT THEY BUILT BECAUSE IT'S STILL PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, AND WE CAN'T GIVE IT TO YOU EXCLUSIVELY. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE NEIGHBORS FIGHTING OVER WHO PARKS IN WHICH ONE. OKAY. AND I'M SO GLAD YOU SAID THAT PUBLICLY. RIGHT. I THAT ROOM WASN'T FULL OF PEOPLE. THIS IS NOT INTERESTING. DON'T FIGHT OVER PARKING SPACE. PLEASE DON'T FIGHT OVER PARKING SPACES.

RIGHT. WE HAD A LITTLE ISSUE OVER ON NORTH CAROLINA. YEAH, JUST RECENTLY THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH, BUT. AND THAT POLICY WE'VE ADOPTED INTERNALLY WITH STAFF IS THAT THERE WILL BE NO GRAVEL. IT'LL BE A HARDENED SURFACE. AND WE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, LIMITING AND IT CAN'T BE STORAGE. RIGHT. AND OTHER STUFF. AND THEN SO NO ACTION AND THEN NO ACTION OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHERS ARE JUST NOTES TO ME. A REFERENCE TO TABLE FOUR IS IN THE CODE BEFORE THE REFERENCE TO TABLE THREE. AND TO ME IT SHOULD BE AN ORDER IN THE LAST PAGE IS NOT READ. AND LORD, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU WANT. THAT'S. BUT WE'RE MOVING INTO YOUR ADU. WHAT IT DID IS IT? THOSE WERE IF I KNOW WHAT IT WAS AROUND THE TOP. I'M. I'M SLAPHAPPY ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE THEY'D LIKE? NO, WE DO HAVE WE HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH. WE DO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE. WELL, WE HAVE ANOTHER ITEM, RIGHT? WE STILL HAVE TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING EXHIBIT A AS DESCRIBED. WE HAD A MOTION ALREADY DONE, WHICH JUST IT'S THIS IS THE DISCUSSION OF IT. SO WE NEED APPROVAL OF IT.

AND OKAY LET'S GO WITH EXHIBIT A FIRST A MOTION TO ADOPT. IT'S THE RESOLUTION WITH EXHIBIT A AS OH OKAY I'M SORRY. SO YOU'RE RIGHT. WE'VE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. WE DO. YEAH.

THAT WAS HOW WE GOT THE DISCUSSION STARTED AND TOOK PUBLIC. NO YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO ANY MORE DISCUSSION? NO, MR. MAYOR, WE JUST. MR. MAYOR, MAY I. SIR, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON? MR. I GOT A QUESTION. MAY I CLARIFY? AM I REMOVING ANY OF THE WHEREAS CLAUSES? YES. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT SINCE I HAVE TO SINCE I HAVE TO FIX MY SIGNATURE. AND IN FACT, I MEAN, YOU CAN TAKE THEM ALL OUT. IN FACT, VICE MAYOR COLLINS REMOVED THE ONE PROFESSIONALLY ACCEPTABLE MATERIAL ITEM THAT WAS REFERENCED. DO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE OUT THAT WORD? YES, PLEASE. YEAH, THE WHOLE CLAUSE, I APPRECIATE THAT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME. IS THAT THE ONLY WAREHOUSE CLAUSE THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED? YEAH.

IT'S. YES. YES. SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO AMEND THE MOTION. I THINK IT WAS PART OF THE IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE IT'S AS AMENDED BY EXHIBIT A ANYWAY. WE'VE AMENDED IT 40 TIMES. OKAY.

BUT WE ALL KNOW WHERE THOSE CLAUSES ARE. RIGHT. WHO MADE THE MOTION? IT WAS HAPPY TO AMEND MY MOTION. OKAY, VICE MAYOR, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. AND SO, ARE WE. ALL CLEAR WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, COMMISSIONER. READ. YES. OKAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES. TO MOVE THIS FURTHER ALONG. COMMISSIONER SELBY. YES, COMMISSIONER. READ. YES, VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES, MAYOR. RICH. YES. AND COMMISSIONER READ. DID YOU WANT TO RELIEVE THE COMMERCIAL? THAT WAS YOUR PROPOSITION? YEAH. I COULD MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THE ZONING IN PROGRESS UNLESS IT'S APPLICABLE TO MULTIFAMILY ATTACHMENT. THAT SO RELIEVING COMMERCIAL FROM THE ZONING IN PROGRESS, AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT INCLUDE MULTIFAMILY, MULTIFAMILY. CORRECT. ZONING IN PROGRESS. NO COMMERCIAL PROGRESS, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AS LONG. I MEAN, WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE LANGUAGE. YES. I MEAN, I WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A RESOLUTION TO BE ADOPTED BY YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING. WE'LL MAKE IT EFFECTIVE TOMORROW, BUT WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH LANGUAGE ON IT. OH, OKAY. OKAY. STAFF'S INTENT THAT WE UNDERSTAND IT TO BE IS THAT AS LONG AS THE APPLICATION DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY MULTIFAMILY THEN OR ANYTHING, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. YEAH. ADOPTIONS. YES. THEN IT CAN MOVE FORWARD. THAT'S PERFECT. AND IF THAT'S WORDED THAT WAY AND I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER REED AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOB. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE. SEEING SEEING

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ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MADAM CLERK. MAYOR RICH. YES, COMMISSIONER REED. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK, GOING FORWARD. YES, COMMISSIONER. JOB. YES. VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES, YES, MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THAT. COMMISSIONER. WELCOME, MR. MAYOR. MR. WARTELL, WE'RE JUST GOING TO FOLLOW THE REGULAR NOTICE WHEN WE HAVE THIS TO SEND OUT TO IN THE NEWSPAPER, OR WE'RE GOING TO SEND INFORMATION TO NEIGHBORHOODS OR PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE OR THE UTILITY BILL.

SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS ZONING CITYWIDE IS COMING IN. CHIEF BURBANK IS HERE. I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT ON TCPALM. I'M SURE PRETTY PEOPLE, PRETTY SURE PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF IT, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN INSTRUCTED TO DO ANY ADDITIONAL NOTICE OTHER THAN THE SAME REQUIRED NOTICE THAT WE DO FOR THE OTHER ORDINANCE. RIGHT? IF YOU WANT ADDITIONAL OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF NOTICE, PLEASE TELL US WHAT THAT IS AND WE WILL FOLLOW IT. BUT WE WILL COMPLY WITH THE STATE LAW AS IT RELATES TO THE NOTICE. WHEN WE COME UP WITH THOSE DAYS IN JANUARY, I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST PUT IT ON THE MARQUEE ON 10TH STREET. OKAY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DATE FOR THE LPA MEETING AND THE. YEAH, OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS. AND YOU THINK IT'S ALL DONE BEFORE THE END OF IS IT GOING TO BE TIGHT? BUT IT DEPENDS ON, ON THE BOARD. I MEAN WE'RE GOING TO THE STAFF IS GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARDS AND BRING IT BACK IN TIME TO DO IT. IT'S JUST GET VOTED ON. I DON'T KNOW. BUT WE'LL HAVE SOME LANGUAGE BACK.

AND DID WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM. IS THAT IT. YES WE DO. SO CAN WE MOVE ON TO THE EAST? STUART

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BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO BE EVERY TIME. IT'S AN EAST STUART PROJECT. SO I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT IT'S ON THE RECORD THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT'S MAKING EAST STUART PROJECTS MORE EXPENSIVE, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONLY PROJECTS THAT REQUIRE THIS THING. SO THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE ALTERNATIVE? NOT HAVING THIS, NOT HAVING IT. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO OVER WELL. WE WENT DOWN THAT ROAD. N. OKAY. MR. MR. MAYOR, HOLD ON. I'M SORRY. ONE OF YOUR CONCERNS, YOU STATED, MR. MARTELL, WAS THAT THEY TRIED TO EXPAND THE SCOPE OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES.

ISN'T 2.121 BE THEY DIDN'T THEY DIDN'T EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. THAT MEANS SPECIAL MEETINGS MAY BE HELD AT THEIR DISCRETION. ISN'T THAT GOING TO PUT THE STAFF IN THE SAME. WE'RE GOING TO AMEND IT, THOUGH, NOW THAT IT'S JUST AS THAT'S COMING OUT. OKAY. GOOD. YEAH. THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT. YEAH. GOOD. BECAUSE THAT WAS THE TRAP. BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT THEY EVEN THOUGH THEY YEAH THEY COULD DISCUSS ANYTHING. ANYTHING. OKAY. GOOD. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT BECAUSE I WOULD NEED THAT ON THE RECORD. NO, HE'S STILL TALKING. WE HAVE TO BRING IT BACK. SO IT'S REALLY D AND D SO WE KNOW WHAT YOU GET. I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR SOME CONSENSUS FROM YOU GUYS. I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD IN CERTAIN INSTANCES WHERE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S JUST INVOLVED WITH MARTIN ARTS AND THE PROJECT. COULDN'T THEY JUST MEET WITH MARTIN ARTS RATHER THAN HAVING A WHOLE EAST STUART COMMITTEE AND THEN GOING ON TO MARTIN ARTS WHEN THEY COULD? YEAH, THEY COULD ALSO AS RESIDENTS, THE CRB BOARD APPROVES THE ART ANYWAY, AS RESIDENTS, THEY COULD COME TO THE MEETING AND TELL THE CRB BOARD THAT, YEAH, SO WE DON'T NEED THE BOARD. RIGHT. WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE AN EXTRA MEETING FOR THAT ONE PARTICULAR IF THAT WAS THE ONLY THING ON THEIR AGENDA OF THEIR MEETING, ARE THERE DECISIONS NOW YOU'RE GETTING BACK TO WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE BOARD, RIGHT. THEY'RE NOT BINDING DECISIONS ANYWAY. NO. SO THEY ARE JUST COLLECTING DATA FOR THE WEBSITE. ORIGINALLY THEY WERE COLLECTING DATA FOR GUY DAVIS AND THEY DID IT RIGHT. AND IT WAS COMPLETED. AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, WILL YOU MAKE US A PERMANENT BOARD? AND THE BOARD KIND OF SAID, OKAY, NO PROBLEM.

LIKE THERE WAS NO REASON NOT TO LIKE EVERYONE WAS HAPPY OR WHATEVER. AND SAID, OKAY, GREAT.

BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENED WAS THERE THERE WASN'T A REGULAR PATTERN OF MEETING FOR THEM TO MEET.

NOW, SOME OF THEM WERE DISAPPOINTED BY THAT AND WERE HAVING HIGHER EXPECTATIONS AND OTHERS GOT DISENFRANCHIZED AND STOPPED COMING. SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, DO WE SUNSET IT AND MOVE ON LIKE WE DID, YOU KNOW, OR DO WE? WE GOT TO AMEND THOSE BYLAWS TO WE GOT SOME PUSHBACK

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AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE CITY PAID FOR THE NOTICE AND THE MAILING AND ALL THE STUFF TO HAVE THOSE MEETINGS BECAUSE THE NEW PROJECT WAS GUY DAVIS PARK. AND THE OTHER NEW PROJECT WAS THE PROJECT LIFT. BUT MOVING FORWARD, IF IT'S SOMEBODY'S BUSINESS ON EAST STREET, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR THE NOTICE AND PAYING FOR THE ADVERTISING AND WHATEVER IT IS.

AND SO I JUST MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE IT MATTERS. BUT THAT'S IT. OKAY. NO OTHER ITEMS FOR OUR CONSIDERATION. I CONGRATULATE YOU, VICE MAYOR COLLINS, ON YOUR NEW POSITION. AND CONGRATULATIONS, MAYOR. I THANK THE BOARD FOR GIVING ME ONE FULL YEAR TO FIGURE THIS OUT. AND THIS MEETING

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