[ROLL CALL]
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          GO. MADAM CLERK. CORRECT. WE ARE. I'M CALLING THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE STUART CITY COMMISSION FOR THE 10TH OF FEBRUARY, 2025 TO ORDER. GOOD EVENING TO YOU ALL, AND THANK YOU FOR ALL TAKING THE FOR TAKING THE TIME TO COME HERE AND SHARE YOUR CONCERNS WITH US. 
          WE'RE A VERY LUCKY COMMUNITY. SO WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION. I ASK YOU ALL TO PLEASE STAND AND IT'S PASTOR DINO PADRONI FROM THE STEWART CONGREGATIONAL CHURCH. GOOD EVENING PASTOR. THANK YOU SIR. GOOD EVENING. SHALL WE PRAY? OUR FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE COMMISSION TONIGHT. WE THANK YOU FOR THIS MEETING. WE PRAY YOUR BLESSING UPON OUR MAYOR, OUR VICE MAYOR, OUR COMMISSIONERS, OUR CITY MANAGER, OUR CITY ATTORNEY, OUR CITY CLERK. 
          FATHER, WE REALIZE THAT YOU HAVE TAUGHT US IN YOUR WORD THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN PLACED INTO POSITION BY HOLY DECREE. WE BELIEVE, LORD, THAT THE MEETING TONIGHT IS BY THAT METHOD. AND, FATHER, WE ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON EACH OF THEM. AND, LORD, WHETHER THEY'RE DEALING WITH BUDGETS OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OR APPROPRIATIONS OR GOVERNANCE, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. CONCERNS OF THE CITIZEN. WE PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU BLESS THEM IN THEIR DELIBERATIONS TODAY. THANK YOU FOR THE GOVERNMENT THAT WE HAVE HERE. THANK YOU FOR THE GOVERNMENT WE HAVE IN OUR NATION, OUR STATE, AND WE THANK YOU, LORD, FOR THE PRIVILEGES THAT WE HAVE. WE ARE REMINDED IN SCRIPTURE THAT WE ARE TO PRAY FOR THOSE IN AUTHORITY. WE ARE TO SUPPLICATE. WE ARE TO INTERCEDE. WE ARE TO GIVE A THANKS FOR EACH ONE OF THEM. AND SO TONIGHT, AS WE PROCEED WITH THIS MEETING, WE ARE REMINDED OF THE WORDS OF THE AARONIC BLESSING. MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU. MAY THE LORD KEEP YOU. MAY THE LORD MAKE HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE GRACIOUS TO YOU. 
          MAY HE LIFT HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU AND GIVE YOU PEACE. I ASK THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF MY LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST. GOD THE FATHER AND GOD THE SPIRIT. AND WITH RESPECT TO EVERY RELIGION, WE ASK THESE THINGS TONIGHT IN THE NAME OF OUR GOD. AMEN. AMEN. SO PLEASE REMAIN STANDING WHILE WE DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AND THEN, MISTER DARRELL MCGILL WILL SING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM FOR US. SO I'LL ASK YOU TO REMAIN STANDING FOR THAT AS WELL. SO I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MR. MCGILL, YOU HAVE A MICROPHONE. OH, SAY, CAN YOU SEE BY THE DAWN'S EARLY LIGHT. WHAT SO PROUDLY WE HAILED AT THE TWILIGHT'S LAST GLEAMING. WHOSE BROAD STRIPES AND BRIGHT STARS. THROUGH THE PERILOUS FIGHT. O'ER THE RAMPARTS WE WATCHED. WERE SO GALLANTLY STREAMING. AND THE ROCKETS RED GLARE, THE BOMBS BURSTING IN AIR. GAVE PROOF THROUGH THE NIGHT THAT OUR FLAG WAS STILL THERE. OH, SAY DOES THAT STAR SPANGLED BANNER YET WAVE O'ER THE LAND OF THE FREE. AND THE HOME OF THE. BRAVE. HELLO, HELLO AS WELL. WHICH IS OUR. ACAPELLA. THANK YOU FOR. THE. FIRST TIME. 
          BACK TO THAT. IS IT JUST ME? I THOUGHT IT WAS. I KNOW, I JUST SAID THAT 73. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I THOUGHT IT WAS ONE. IT WASN'T WORKING. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MISTER MAYOR. IF I COULD ASK YOU TO BACK UP ON THE AGENDA AND DO THE ROLL CALL. WHAT? ROLL CALL? OH. 
          I'M SORRY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MARY. MADAM. CLERK. MAYOR. RICH. YES. VICE MAYOR COLLINS. HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER. CLARK. YES. COMMISSIONER. SELBY. YES, COMMISSIONER. READ HERE. OKAY. 
          [PROCLAMATIONS]
SORRY I GOT SO EXCITED ABOUT THE ARTS MOMENT. MISTER BAGGETT, COULD YOU PLEASE READ THE PROCLAMATION REGARDING ENGINEERS WEEK? WHEREAS ENGINEERS DESIGN, CONSTRUCT, AND MAINTAIN THE 
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INFRASTRUCTURE AND FACILITIES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL RESIDENTS OF THE MUNICIPALITY. THE MUNICIPALITY GROWTH DEPENDS ON ENGINEERS EXECUTING INNOVATIVE, CREATIVE AND HIGH QUALITY SOLUTIONS TO TECHNICAL PROBLEMS. AND WHEREAS THE PURPOSE OF THE FLORIDA ENGINEERING SOCIETY IS TO ADVANCE THE PUBLIC WELFARE, PROMOTE THE PROFESSIONAL, SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC INTEREST OF ENGINEERING PROFESSIONS, AND TO STIMULATE AND DEVELOP PROFESSIONAL CONCEPTS AMONG ALL ENGINEERS THROUGH EDUCATION AND EXCELLENCE IN PRACTICE. AND WHEREAS, MEMBERS OF THE FLORIDA ENGINEERING SOCIETY IN THE AMERICAN COUNCIL OF ENGINEERING COMPANIES OF FLORIDA ARE MAKING STRIDES TO INTERACT WITH THE ENGINEERING EDUCATION SECTOR TO PREPARE FUTURE ENGINEERS TO MAINTAIN OUR ECONOMIC LEADERSHIP AND QUALITY OF LIFE. AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE AND HONOR THE CONTINUING CONTRIBUTIONS OF AMERICA'S ENGINEERS. NOW, THEREFORE, IN RECOGNITION OF ENGINEERS WEEK IN THE CITY OF STUART, I. CAMPBELL RICH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF STUART, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM FEBRUARY 16TH THROUGH THE 22ND, 2025 AS ENGINEERS WEEK AND ACCEPTING THIS PROCLAMATION ON FOR ENGINEERS WEEK IS DEVIN CURRAN, PROJECT ENGINEER. MISTER CURRAN, ARE YOU HERE? PETER. 
          PETER. I'M SORRY. PAUL. PETER. OKAY. CALL PETER. PULL IT UP. WE GOT ANOTHER ENGINEER IN THE BACK. OKAY. YOU HAVE THE PHONE. A REAL ENGINEER. THANK YOU. REAL ENGINEER. THE CHIEF ENGINEER. 
          SEE? THEY HAVE REDUNDANCY. HERE. YEAH. SPEECH. SPEECH. NO, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THAT. WELL, ON BEHALF OF THE FLORIDA ENGINEERING SOCIETY, I HUMBLY ACCEPT THIS. THIS TOKEN OF APPRECIATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. MR. BAGGETT. THE PROCLAMATION AND RECOGNITION OF BLACK HISTORY MONTH, PLEASE. WHEREAS IN 1926, HISTORIAN DOCTOR CARTER G. WOODSON ESTABLISHED WHAT WOULD BECOME BLACK HISTORY MONTH TO BRING SPECIAL ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND AWARENESS OF AFRICAN AMERICAN ACCOMPLISHMENTS, CONTRIBUTIONS, AND HISTORY IN THE SHAPING OF AMERICA. AND WHEREAS THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY HAS ENDURED DECADES OF STRUGGLE TO BE RECOGNIZED AS EQUAL AMONG OUR FELLOW CITIZENS AND HAS PERSEVERED THROUGH HATE AND BIGOTRY TO STAND UP FOR THE RIGHTS AND THE BASIC RIGHTS WE ARE ALL ENTITLED TO LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. AND WHERE THE THEME OF THE THEME FOR 2024 FOCUSES ON AFRICAN AMERICANS IN THE ARTS. THIS THEME IS INFUSED WITH AFRICAN, CARIBBEAN, AND BLACK AMERICAN LIFE EXPERIENCES IN THE FIELDS OF VISUAL AND PERFORMING ARTS, LITERATURE, FASHION, FOLKLORE, LANGUAGE, FILM, MUSIC, ARCHITECTURE, CULINARY, AND OTHER FORMS OF CULTURAL EXPRESSION. THE AFRICAN AMERICAN INFLUENCE HAS BEEN PARAMOUNT. AFRICAN AMERICAN ARTISTS HAVE BEEN HAVE USED ART TO PRESERVE HISTORY AND COMMUNITY MEMORY, AS WELL AS FOR EMPOWERMENT. IN 2024, WE EXAMINED THE VARIED HISTORY AND LIFE OF AFRICAN AMERICAN ARTS AND ARTISANS. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF STUART IS PROUD TO HONOR THE HISTORY, CONTRIBUTIONS AND ACHIEVEMENTS OF AFRICAN AMERICANS AND OUR COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT OUR STATE AND OUR NATION. NOW, THEREFORE, IN RECOGNITION OF AFRICAN AMERICANS PAST AND PRESENT IN THE CITY OF STUART, I. CAMPBELL RICH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF STUART, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM FEBRUARY 2025 AS BLACK HISTORY MONTH. AND ACCEPTING THIS PROCLAMATION FOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH IS THELMA WASHINGTON, THE LONG TIME DIRECTOR OF THE GERTRUDE WALDEN CHILD CENTER. HOW ABOUT I GIVE YOU THIS FIRST? OKAY. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HAVING? 26 YEARS. OKAY. I ACCEPT THIS AWARD ON BEHALF OF ALL OF MARTIN COUNTY. AND IT'S. IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE I MOVED TO MARTIN COUNTY IN 1983. I HAVE WORKED IN THIS IN EAST STUART COMMUNITY FOR 42 YEARS. THIS YEAR, 42 YEARS I HAVE WORKED IN EAST GERMANY. SO NATURALLY, I'VE I'VE SEEN A LOT OF GROWTH, A LOT OF CHANGES, A LOT OF 
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IMPROVEMENTS. SO I AM HAPPY TO HAVE BEEN A PART. I DID MY FIRST 15 YEARS AS A FIFTH GRADE TEACHER AT JT PARKER AND THEN AT GERTRUDE WALDEN CHILD CARE CENTER. ALSO, I'M BEING RECOGNIZED BY ACS ON SATURDAY AT THE BLACK HERITAGE FESTIVAL. SO THOSE OF YOU THAT WANT TO HEAR THE ABCS OF THE FIRST BLACK HISTORY IN MARTIN COUNTY, I WOULD INVITE YOU TO COME OUT BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT TODAY. BUT WHAT I AM GOING TO DO ON SATURDAY ALSO IS TO MENTION THOSE NAMES THAT HELP MOLD AND MODEL ME INTO THE PERSON THAT I AM TODAY. AND IT'S FUNNY THAT QUITE A FEW OF THEM I SEE TODAY. I HAVE THE MCCARTY DAUGHTER WHO'S GLORIA MCCARTY, AND I WORK TOGETHER AT JD PARKER, ALEX EDWARDS I WORK WITH AT THE CITY OF STUART, ROBERT AND SANDRA NEWMAN. THEIR KIDS WERE IN MY CLASS AT FIFTH GRADE, AND ROBERT PLAYED THE TRUMPET WHEN I WAS TEACHER OF THE YEAR AT PARKER. SO JUST THE LEGGETT FAMILY, SO, SO MANY. THAT AND I HAVE THEIR NAMES AS A PART OF MY ABCS TO WHO I AM ON SATURDAY, SO IT'S NICE TO SEE THEM TODAY. DEROSA'S THEIR DAUGHTER WAS IN MY CLASS IN FIFTH GRADE, SO AND IT'S GREAT BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE STUDENTS HAVE MOVED AWAY. THEY ARE GROWN AND COME BACK. I HAD TWO THAT WERE IN MY CLASS IN FIFTH GRADE. I'VE NOW HAD THEIR GRANDCHILDREN AT GERTRUDE WALDEN AND I'M STILL YOUNG, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU, MARTIN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CITY 
          [PRESENTATIONS]
COMMISSIONER. AND NOW WE HAVE TWO SERVICE AWARDS THIS EVENING. THE FIRST IS FOR FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE AND FIRE RESCUE. LAMONT DUBOIS. LAMONT, ARE YOU HERE? THERE HE. IS. TO THE LEFT. 
          THAT'S THE RIGHT. YES, SIR. I CAN JUST REMEMBER ONBOARDING HIM. I DO, I REMEMBER. THAT'S GOING TO STAND DOWN HERE AND DO THIS ONE. YOU ARE AN IMPRESSIVE AS HE IS HERE 30 YEARS OF SERVICE. DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. WOW. BOGLIOLI. WHO WON 30 BIG ONES. HE DOESN'T EVEN LOOK 30. 
          YOU DON'T EVEN LOOK 30. THANK YOU. THANK. YOU. WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS FOR YOUR SPEECH? SPEECH? I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. THIS EVENING, THE CITY OF STUART HAS BEEN LIKE A FAMILY TO ME. I FISHED ON THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE WHEN I GREW UP IN BELLE GLADE. MY FAMILY HAS BEEN OUT THERE WITH A BIG SUGAR. FOR MY FAMILY'S BEEN OUT IN THE GLADES SINCE BEFORE CITY OF STUART WAS INCORPORATED, AND WE USED TO FISH OVER HERE AND VISIT ALL THE TIME. AND THEN I REMEMBER COMING AND INTERVIEWING. I GOT A SPEEDING TICKET FROM THE CITY OF STUART POLICE OFFICER. MY FIRST DAY OF WORK. HE FOLLOWED ME TO CITY HALL TO VERIFY I WAS ACTUALLY AN EMPLOYEE HERE. SO THEN HE TURNED IT INTO A WARNING. SO THAT'S GREAT. AND MY FIRST WEEK OF WORK, THE I COULDN'T KEEP MY PENCILS ON THE DESK BECAUSE THEY WERE BLASTING FOR THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE. AND THE DYNAMITE WAS LIKE SHAKING CITY HALL. AND I SAID, MAN, THIS IS GOING TO RUIN THE FOUNDATION. 
          THEY GO, DON'T WORRY, WE'RE GOING TO GET A NEW CITY HALL. I'M, I'M NOW SITTING OVER AT WELLS FARGO. SO IT FINALLY, FINALLY HAPPENED. AND A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, I MEAN, WHEN I CAME TO WORK HERE AS A INTERN WHEN I WAS 16, AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT TRUE, BUT MILTON HAD ALREADY HAD 20 YEARS OF SERVICE HERE. YES, THAT'S TRUE, THAT'S TRUE. YES. MILTON HAD ALREADY BEEN HERE 20 YEARS WHEN I GOT HERE. NO. SO I'VE GROWN UP WITH A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE, SEEN A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS MOVE FROM BOARDS TO BECOMING COMMISSIONERS TO OTHER ROLES IN THE CITY. AND A LOT OF CITIZENS HAVE COME AND PASSED OVER THE YEARS WITH ME. AND I'VE REALLY FELT LIKE A FAMILY AND ENJOY KEEPING STUART. YOU KNOW, I CARE ABOUT IT A LOT. DOESN'T MATTER WHO I SPEAK TO. I GET VERY DEFENSIVE ABOUT STUART. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WHAT DO BIG CITIES DO? I'M LIKE, WHAT DOES STUART DO? YOU KNOW. SO BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LOVING ME FOR 30 YEARS. AND I HOPE THAT WE CONTINUE TO LOVE EACH OTHER JUST AS WELL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION THIS EVENING AND I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT MADE BY DOCTOR RISHI SINGH, WHO IS THE VICE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER OF THE CLEVELAND CLINIC. AND HE'S RESPONDING TO THE GREAT 
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CONCERN THAT SO MANY OF US HAVE REGARDING THE QUALITY OF SERVICE AND THE SCOPE OF SERVICE THAT OUR LOCAL HOSPITAL IS ABLE TO PROVIDE. AND IT IS I RECOGNIZE IT IS A DIFFICULT SITUATION, NOT NOT JUST IN STUART BUT AROUND THE COUNTRY. SO I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME AND PROVIDING THE INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY. DOCTOR SINGH. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS FOR ALLOWING ME TO GIVE THIS TALK AND FOR THE COMMUNITY COMING HERE TONIGHT TO LISTEN TO THIS DISCUSSION. SO I AM RISHI SINGH. I AM A POSITION. I AM THE FIRST PHYSICIAN LEADER IN THE MARTIN HEALTH SYSTEM. PRIOR TO THIS, IT WAS PREDECESSORS OF MINE WERE ATTORNEYS AND VARIOUS OTHER ATTRIBUTES. AND DOCTORS HAVE DIFFERENT ROLES TO PLAY IN HOSPITAL SYSTEMS. AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IN JUST A MOMENT. I REPRESENT NOT ONLY MYSELF TODAY, BUT THE 5000 EMPLOYEES THAT CLEVELAND CLINIC NOW EMPLOYS. WE ARE THE LARGEST EMPLOYER IN MARTIN COUNTY. WE ARE YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOUR COLLEAGUES, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON YOUR STREET, THE PEOPLE AT YOUR SOCCER GAMES, YOUR FOOTBALL GAMES. EVERYTHING AROUND YOU IS PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR OUR HOSPITAL. THIS TIME SIX YEARS AGO, CLEVELAND CLINIC CAME IN WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH MARTIN COUNTY MARTIN HOSPITAL SYSTEM TO RUN THE HOSPITAL. THE COMMITMENT WAS THE FOLLOWING. IT WAS TO EXPAND THE SERVICES THAT WERE OFFERED, TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF CARE THAT WAS BEING DELIVERED THERE, TO TOUCH MORE LIVES THAN WE WERE WERE DOING IN THE PAST. 
          MANY OF THE PATIENTS WERE GOING 1 TO 2 COUNTIES AWAY FOR CARE, DESPITE THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAVE HAD CHALLENGES IN THE MARKET. AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHAT SIX YEARS AGO WAS LIKE. 
          WE'VE COMMITTED AND COMPLETED ALL OF THOSE ACCOMPLISHMENTS. SIX YEARS AGO WAS A DIFFERENT TIME. JANUARY 2019. GO BACK FOR A MOMENT AND THINK ABOUT THAT TIME FOR A MOMENT. COVID PANDEMIC DIDN'T EXIST. EGG PRICES WERE AT NORMAL RANGES. INFLATIONARY CONCERNS WEREN'T EVEN KNOWN. THE INTEREST RATE WAS 3%. VERY, VERY DIFFERENT ECONOMIC TIMES THAN WE ARE AT NOW AND DIFFERENT IN HEALTH CARE TO FROM WE ARE NOW HOSPITAL SYSTEMS WERE AT LEAST NON-PROFITABLE OR AT THE LEVEL OF EQUAL PROFITABILITY. MARTIN ACTUALLY WAS A SYSTEM THAT FOR YEARS HAD JUST HAD A BALANCED BUDGET, NEVER HAD MUCH IN CASH RESERVES, NEVER HAD THE ABILITY TO REALLY HAVE A LARGE DAYS OF CASH ON HAND FOR FUTURE FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES. THE COVID PANDEMIC HIT. THIS HOSPITAL WAS TAKEN OVER BY CLEVELAND CLINIC. WE SPENT THREE YEARS CARING FOR PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY. MANY OF OUR PATIENTS DIED IN OUR ARMS IN THIS HOSPITAL SYSTEM. 
          FATHER'S NEXT DAY WAS THE MOTHER. NEXT DAY WAS THE CHILD ALL SUFFERING FROM THE SAME ILLNESS? BY THE WAY, DURING THAT THREE YEARS OF TIME FRAME, IF SOMEBODY PASSED AWAY IN OUR HOSPITAL, WE NEVER PROVIDED A BILL TO THAT PATIENT FOR SERVICES NOT RENDERED. SO BECAUSE THEIR INSURANCE COMPANY DIDN'T PICK UP THEIR BILL FOR THE HOSPITALIZATION, WE DIDN'T GO AFTER THEM. WE JUST ASSUMED IT WAS A COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY. FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS, WE'VE ACTUALLY SPENT THE TIME REBUILDING THE HOSPITAL FROM WHAT YOU NEEDED TO BE BECAUSE WE HAD AN EXODUS OF PHYSICIANS, NURSES, A LOT OF PROVIDERS NOT OUT OF OUR OWN DOING BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT NECESSARILY WILLING TO COME ALONG WITH US ON THE HEALTH CARE JOURNEY WE NEEDED TO TAKE, WHICH IS TO DRIVE THE LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY, INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PATIENTS WE WERE SEEING AND INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY, IMPROVING THEIR HEALTH CARE. FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS, WE'VE ACTUALLY DOUBLED THE NUMBER OF DOCTORS HERE. 
          WE'VE TRIPLED THE NUMBER OF ADVANCED PRACTICE PROVIDERS. THIS YEAR. WE TOUCHED 1 MILLION PATIENT LIVES, WHICH IS 200,000 PATIENTS OVER WHERE WE STARTED SIX YEARS AGO. WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED $380 MILLION TO THE HOSPITAL SYSTEM, WHICH MARTIN HEALTH SYSTEM COULD NEVER AFFORD. THE FIRST YEAR I WAS HERE, WE LOST $100 MILLION. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR JUST A MOMENT. THE HOSPITAL WOULD HAVE CLOSED IF IT WASN'T FOR THE CLEVELAND CLINIC. THANKFULLY, THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT EFFORTS AND TIME AND WORK, WE'VE NOT ONLY BEEN ABLE TO IMPROVE THE HEALTH CARE SERVICES WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO OFFER, BUT BROADEN IT AND FINANCE THE BUDGET THROUGH THE PROCESS. THIS LAST YEAR, WE LOST $50 MILLION. SOME MIGHT SAY TO ME THAT THAT SHOULD GIVE ME A GOLD STAR IN SOME WAYS, BUT THAT DOESN'T GIVE ME A GOLD STAR, BECAUSE THE CLEVELAND CLINIC STILL PICKED UP A BILL FOR 50, $50 MILLION IN THIS HOSPITAL SYSTEM. AND WITHOUT THE CLEVELAND CLINIC, THIS HOSPITAL WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY CLOSED. SINCE OUR TIME HERE, WE'VE EXPANDED 13 HEALTHCARE SERVICES. WE'VE ADDED SERVICES LIKE ONCOLOGY, CARDIOLOGY SERVICES, WHICH HAVE EXPANDED NEUROLOGY, NEUROSURGERY, COLORECTAL SURGERY, AND EVEN MY OWN SPECIALTY, OPHTHALMOLOGY. THOSE ARE VITALLY NEEDED SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS SO, WELL, UNDERSERVED THAT MANY OF OUR PATIENTS WERE GOING AWAY FOR CARE. THE ADDITION OF THAT PRIMARY CARE WAS A BIG PROBLEM. WHEN WE FIRST CAME HERE. WE HAD PATIENTS WAITING UP TO A YEAR FOR A PRIMARY CARE APPOINTMENT. THIS PAST YEAR, WE HIRED 12 PRIMARY CARE DOCTORS, ALL WITHIN 
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MARTIN COUNTY. THAT WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN POSSIBLE IN THE PRIOR HOSPITAL SYSTEM. THEY COULD NOT ATTRACT AS MANY DOCTORS AS THEY NEEDED TO ATTRACT HERE. THE HEALTHCARE SHORTAGES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE BEING FELT HERE IN MARTIN COUNTY, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT MARTIN COUNTY NECESSARILY. MAYBE THAT'S INTENDED, BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SERVICE THE COMMUNITY. WE ADDED 8000 APPOINTMENTS AS A RESULT OF RECRUITING THOSE DOCTORS, AND NOW OUR PRIMARY CARE WAIT TIME IS LESS THAN 30 DAYS. SO WE'VE DEFINITELY ALLOWED FOR ACCESS OF CARE IN OUR AREAS, AND WE'VE EXCELLED IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT AREAS. AND I'VE GIVEN YOU A HANDOUT WHICH GOES OVER ALL OF THESE THINGS. AND THE COMMUNITY CAN ALSO READ THIS HANDOUT AS WELL. GIVE IT TO THE COMMISSIONERS. IT'S A THERE'S A HANDOUT OUTSIDE THE ROOM. WE CAN CERTAINLY DISTRIBUTE THEM TO ANYONE HERE. BUT LET ME SPEAK ABOUT SOME VARIOUS TOPICS THAT HAVE HIT US. AND I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MOST CONCERNING TO ME. THE FIRST IS THAT THE HOSPITAL HAS BECOME THE DOORMAT FOR THE COMMUNITY IN MANY WAYS, AND I'M GOING TO SPEAK WITH THAT. VERY FRANKLY SPEAKING, IT IS VERY STARTLING TO ME, BEING FROM OHIO, I WAS THERE FOR 16 YEARS, AND WHEN I CAME HERE THREE YEARS AGO, BRIGHT EYED, BUSHY TAILED AND HAPPY TO WORK HERE, I WAS ENCOUNTERED WITH A COMMUNITY THAT SAID TO ME, DON'T WEAR YOUR BADGE TO THE GROCERY STORE. WHY? WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE I'M OHIO. I'M USED TO WEARING MY JACKET, MY LABEL, MY BRAND RECOGNITION IS WELL KNOWN. WE'RE WE'RE KNOWN FOR OUR INTEGRITY IN HEALTHCARE, OUR ABILITY TO DELIVER HEALTHCARE IN A PROPER MANNER TO PATIENTS, TO NOT DO PROCEDURES ON THEM JUST BECAUSE THEY COME TO OUR OFFICE AND SAY, I NEED A PROCEDURE DONE. THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE KNOWN FOR. AND THE REALITY IS THAT THE, THE PUBLIC HAS BECOME VERY CRITICAL AS FOR VERY GOOD REASON, FOR VERY GOOD REASONS, MANY TIMES ON PATIENT EXPERIENCE, ON OUR NURSING CARE, WHICH WAS DISASTROUS WHEN WE FIRST TOOK OVER THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE LEAVE. WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, WE HAD 1300 TROUT, WE HAD 1300 NURSES, OF WHICH 300 WERE TRAVELERS. NOT IN OUR COMMUNITY, NOT OUR TEAMMATES. ONE OUT OF EVERY FOUR NURSES HERE WAS ACTUALLY A TRAVELING NURSE. THAT'S NOT A GREAT KIND OF TEAMWORK STYLE OR KIND OF CULTURE CREATING THERE. IF THAT HAPPENS, WE'RE NOW DOWN LESS THAN 20 TRAVELING NURSES OUT OF A WORKFORCE. ALMOST 1400 NURSES, AGAIN, BECAUSE WE INVESTED IN OUR NURSING SCHOOLS, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CLEVELAND CLINIC BRAND BEHIND US, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF ABILITY TO WORK WITH NURSING PROGRAMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THOSE PEOPLE TO WORK WITH US. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CRITICISM IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT VARIOUS ISSUES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE HOSPITAL, ISSUES WITH MEDICAL CARE. I WOULD SAY TO YOU, AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE WE HAD TO WORK THROUGH THOSE THOSE PROBLEMS, THOSE ISSUES. SO I'M NOT HERE TO TELL YOU THAT WE ARE PERFECT IN ANY WAY. I WOULD JUST SAY TO YOU THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME TO SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT THE HOSPITAL, REMEMBER THAT THAT'S YOUR NEIGHBOR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETIMES OR YOUR FRIEND DOWN THE STREET. AND THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MOMENT, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC FORUM ON FACEBOOK AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT'S AN EASY PLACE TO THROW A VOLLEY AT SOMEBODY. IT'S HARD WHEN YOU RECEIVE IT ON THE OTHER END. AND OUR 5000 EMPLOYEES AGAIN RECEIVED THOSE VOLLEYS EVERY DAY. SOME OF THE CHANGES WE'VE HAD TO MAKE IN THE HOSPITAL HAVE BEEN DRIVEN BY OUR FINANCES. SOME OF THEM HAVE NOT. LET ME SPEAK ABOUT ONE THAT HAS BEEN PARTICULARLY STRIKING IN THE COMMUNITY. OB SO WHEN I CAME DOWN HERE THREE YEARS AGO, NORTH HOSPITAL WAS BIRTHING 60 BABIES A MONTH, AN AVERAGE BIRTHING CENTER IN THE UNITED STATES. BIRTHS. AROUND 400 BIRTHS PER MONTH. TO DO IT PROFICIENTLY, YOU HAVE TO BIRTH ABOUT 400. I LOOKED AT THIS PROGRAM AND AS MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES DID AND SAID, WE WANT TO INVEST IN THIS PROGRAM. WE WANT TO GROW IT. WHAT CAN WE DO TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF BIRTHS IN THIS FACILITY? BY THE WAY, MANY OF OUR CONSTITUENTS WHO TALK ABOUT US WERE ALREADY GOING TO BIRTH IN JUPITER MEDICAL CENTER AND IN SAINT LUCIE MEDICAL CENTER, WITH NO REGARDS OF THEIR BIRTH CERTIFICATES NOT EXISTING FOR MARTIN COUNTY AT THAT TIME. WE DECIDED AT THAT TIME WE WERE GOING TO INVEST IN BIRTHING. AND DESPITE THE HEADWINDS IN ALL OF THAT, WE DECIDED TO DO SO. LET ME SPEAK ABOUT THOSE HEADWINDS FOR JUST A QUICK MOMENT. THERE WAS A TOTAL LACK OF OB GYN DOCTORS IN THE UNITED STATES. THERE'S A PIPELINE ISSUE. 
          MOUNTAIN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO OB GYN. WHY? IT'S BECOME A VERY LITIGIOUS AREA OF HEALTHCARE. 
          SECONDARILY, THE FLORIDA STATE LAWS FOR ABORTION MAKE IT INCREDIBLY INHOSPITABLE FOR OB GYN DOCTORS TO COME HERE AND PRACTICE WHAT THEY ARE DOING. THE THIRD IS THAT WE HAVE MEDICAID PATIENTS THAT ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHERE THEY'RE RECEIVING ABOUT $0.30 ON THE DOLLAR FOR EVERY BIRTH THAT A NORMAL BIRTH WOULD COST US. SO WE LOSE MONEY ON EVERY BIRTH THAT BE COMING FROM MEDICAID POPULATIONS. BY THE WAY, MEDICAID HASN'T BEEN ADJUSTED FOR 18 YEARS UP UNTIL LAST YEAR, WHEN IT WAS FINALLY ADJUSTED BY SENATOR HARRELL. SO THOSE HEADWINDS ALONE WERE LOTS OF REASONS WHY WE HAD TROUBLE KEEPING OUR BIRTHING CENTER OPEN. DESPITE THAT, WE ACTUALLY INCREASED IT TO 100 BIRTHS PER MONTH. MIRACULOUS. WE WENT OUT 
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AND ADVERTISED. WE TALKED TO PEOPLE. WE WORKED FOR, PEOPLE LIKE MARTIN COUNTY, HEALTHY START THAT HELPED US GET OUT THE WORD. WE WERE DOING THIS BIRTHING IN THE COMMUNITY, AND WE DID OUR BEST TO KEEP THAT OPEN. WE HAD 11 OPENINGS FOR OB GYN DOCTORS. WE HAD SIX DOCTORS FOR 11 OPENINGS. WE INCREASED SALARIES UP TO 50% MORE THAN WE HAD OFFERED IN THE PAST. FOR OB GYN DOCTORS. WE SIMPLY COULDN'T ATTRACT THOSE DOCTORS HERE, SO WE HAD TO MAKE A DECISION, AND WE COULD HAVE MADE A DECISION STRICTLY BASED ON FINANCES AND SAY, CLOSE EVERYTHING. IF WE WERE AN HCA OR A TENANT, WE WOULD HAVE CLOSED THIS THING AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT LOSES MONEY SIX DAYS TO SUNDAY. WHY SHOULD WE KEEP IT OPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE? INSTEAD, WE DECIDED TO COHORT CARE IN A TRADITIONAL HOSPITAL WHERE IT ALREADY HAD A VERY WELL HEELED BIRTHING AREA, WHICH COULD BE ENLARGED TO ACCOMMODATE MORE BIRTHS THAN IT COULD TO GET A LEVEL THREE NICU, AND THEN TO GO BACK AND TO POPULATE MARTIN COUNTY WITH WHAT IT NEEDED, WHICH WAS GYNECOLOGY, GYNECOLOGY, UROLOGY, GYNECOLOGY, ONCOLOGY, MIG SURGERY, WHICH IS MINIMALLY INVASIVE SURGERY FOR WOMEN. ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WERE GOING ELSEWHERE FOR. SO WE MADE OUR COMMITMENT TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. YOU MIGHT LOOK AT IT LIKE THE FINANCES. WE LOOK AT IT LIKE STAFFING. WE COULD NOT STAFF THIS APPROPRIATELY. AND IN FACT, EVEN DESPITE ALL THAT, WE'RE STILL HAVE PEOPLE WORKING WITH MARTIN COUNTY HEALTHY START. IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SET UP A FREESTANDING BIRTHING UNIT, WE'RE WILLING TO HELP. AND IN FACT, THREE OF OUR PHYSICIANS AND OUR APRONS ARE SERVING ON THEIR COMMITTEES TO HELP THEM DO SUCH A THING FOR THAT. AND BY THE WAY, THE COUNTY HAS NEVER PROVIDED A DOLLAR TO US, NOR DO WE ASK FOR DOLLARS RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THE CITY HAS NEVER PROVIDED DOLLARS TO US, EITHER IN DIRECT FORM OR DIRECT PAYMENT FOR THESE PATIENTS. SO THAT'S THE STORY WITH THE BIRTH, WITH THE OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY. LET ME FOCUS AGAIN ON SOMETHING ELSE YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF, WHICH IS OUR SOUTH HOSPITAL. WE ARE A SUCCESS STORY. IN HOSPITAL MEDICINE, WE ARE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF MORE HOSPITAL PATIENTS THAN EVER BEFORE. WHY? BECAUSE WE HAVE AMAZING TEAMS OF HOSPITALISTS THAT CAN IMMEDIATELY PROVIDE YOUR HISTORY AND PHYSICAL YOUR TREATMENT PLAN WITHIN SIX HOURS OF YOUR ARRIVAL TO OUR EMERGENCY ROOMS. PRIOR TO ME COMING IN, THAT WAS 24 HOURS. SO YOU'D BE SITTING IN A HOSPITAL BED FOR MAYBE A DAY, AND A DOCTOR WOULDN'T HAVE WRITTEN YOUR TREATMENT PLAN, AND THEREFORE NOTHING WAS BEING DONE FOR YOU. WE CHANGED THAT. WE MADE IT SIX HOURS. NOW ALL THAT'S HAPPENING, WE ACTIVATED OUR HOSPITAL CARE AT HOME PROGRAM. IT'S SEEN OVER A THOUSAND PATIENTS ALREADY AT HOSPITAL CARE AT HOME. IT'S THE FIRST IN THE CLEVELAND CLINICEME HOSPITAL LEVEL CARE AT HOME WITH A NURSE ON CALL, PARAMEDICS COMING, VISITING YOU. AND THEY STAY IN THOSE HOSPITAL CARE HOME SITUATIONS FOR 3 TO 4 DAYS AND ARE DISCHARGED SAFELY WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. WE'RE AVOIDING 3000 BRICK AND MORTAR DAYS AS A RESULT OF HOSPITAL CARE AT HOME. 
          SO WHAT DID WE DECIDE TO DO? WELL, WE OUR SOUTH HOSPITAL HAS EXCESS BED CAPACITY. WE RUN A CENSUS AROUND 50 TO 55 EVERY DAY. SOMETIMES IN THE SEASON IT GETS HIGHER, BUT WE HAVE A WAYS OF ESCAPE VALVES FOR THAT. IT HAS 100 BEDS IN THE HOSPITAL, SO RATHER THAN SHUTTING THOSE 50 BEDS DOWN, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO RETOOL THEM. WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP INPATIENT HOSPICE, INPATIENT SKILLED NURSING AND REHAB AND ACTUALLY INPATIENT PSYCH. THOSE ARE THE THREE AREAS WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. SO JUST IMAGINE YOURSELF LIKE I AM RIGHT NOW WITH AN 84 YEAR OLD FATHER AND A 78 YEAR OLD MOTHER, AND THEY HAVE A JERRY PSYCH CONDITION. THE CLOSEST PLACE TO GO TO WOULD BE EITHER WEST PALM BEACH OR VERO. THAT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO CARE FOR YOUR PARENTS. THAT'S THE TYPE OF FACILITY WE'RE TRYING TO INVEST IN HERE LOCALLY TO OCCUR. HOW ABOUT INPATIENT HOSPICE? INPATIENT HOSPICE DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW IN MARTIN COUNTY. ALL THOSE THINGS WERE GOING TO BE ADDING BY RETOOLING OUR HOSPITAL. EVERY YEAR WE SPEND WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND TAKE TIME AND EFFORT AND DETERMINE WHAT SERVICES THE HOSPITAL WILL OFFER. IF TOMORROW THE BIRTHING RATES WENT UP IN MARTIN COUNTY TO EXPONENTIAL LEVELS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO BRING BACK BIRTHING TO NORTH HOSPITAL. WE'RE NOT CHANGING WHAT'S HAPPENING NORTH HOSPITAL RIGHT NOW. THE BUILDING IS NOT BEING TORN DOWN. WE'RE NOT DESTROYING ANYTHING. IT COULD BE IMMEDIATELY PUT UP, BUT WE SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE THE PROVIDERS, NOR DO WE NOT HAVE THE BIRTH RATES IN THIS COUNTY TO SUPPORT IT. LET ME FINISH BY TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN VERY SOUR ON US FOR A LOT OF REASONS. AND I'LL I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE I THINK THERE'S A REAL DISCONNECT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAVE BEEN STORIES AND CERTAINLY CARE ISSUES AND TREATMENT DELAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THOSE HAPPEN AND IN MEDICAL SYSTEMS, AND WE'RE VERY ATTUNED TO THOSE. WE RESPOND TO ALL OF OUR OMBUDSMAN COMPLAINTS WITHIN 24 HOURS. WHEN A PATIENT COMPLAINS ABOUT US OR HAS AN ISSUE I PERSONALLY MAKE, MAKE MY CELL PHONE AVAILABLE TO ALMOST ANYONE WHO CAN GET IT. I PUT IT 
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ON A BILLBOARD IN MARTIN COUNTY IF I COULD, BUT THE ISSUE IS THAT WE ALSO PROVIDE A HUGE AMOUNT OF CHARITABLE CARE TO THIS COMMUNITY. LAST YEAR ALONE, WE PROVIDED $250 MILLION OF CHARITABLE CARE TO THIS COMMUNITY. YOU MIGHT ASK WHY MARTIN COUNTY IS THIS AFFLUENT AREA? I'VE BEEN TOLD, FULL OF PEOPLE THAT CAN AFFORD HEALTH CARE. THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE AND THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE BECAUSE OF PLACES LIKE INDIANTOWN, BECAUSE OF MEDICAID REDETERMINATION BY THE STATE WHERE PATIENTS HAVE LOST THEIR HEALTH CARE INSURANCE, BY THE POPULATION OF PATIENTS WHO ARE UNDOCUMENTED IN THIS COUNTY, WHO ARE STILL TAKING CARE OF OUR OUR GARDENS, OUR AREAS OUTSIDE OF OUR FACILITIES, THEY STILL HAVE JOBS HERE. THEY'RE STILL WORKING. BUT WE HAD TO PROVIDE CHARITABLE CARE TO ALL BECAUSE WE DON'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN WHETHER YOU'RE A MARTIN COUNTY RESIDENT, WHETHER YOU'RE FROM INDIANTOWN, WHETHER YOU'RE FROM OKEECHOBEE, WHETHER YOU'RE FROM SAINT LUCIE. OUR CARE GOES BEYOND THESE COUNTY LINES. AND THAT'S REALLY BEEN A COMMITMENT WE'VE DELIVERED TO THE COMMUNITY. LAST YEAR, WE WORKED WITH MANY COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO EXPAND, DELIVER CARE TO THEM. 35 COMMUNITY PARTNERS DELIVERED OVER $200,000 IN CHARITY CARE AND CHARITABLE DOLLARS TO THEM. THAT'S AGAIN ON TOP OF THE $50 MILLION WE DID LOSE LAST YEAR. WE DIDN'T STOP THAT COMMITMENT BASED UPON THAT. AND YET WE STILL ARE HERE TODAY TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH THIS THIS HOSPITAL MEANS TO THIS COMMUNITY. SO I WOULD OFFER YOU THE FOLLOWING. I'M HAPPY TO LISTEN TO COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION. I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT WE ALL LIVE AMONGST YOU, AND I WOULD OFFER THE FACT THAT IF I WAS IN ANYONE'S SHOES HERE, I WOULD TAKE THE WORDS THAT YOU'RE SAYING AND THINK ABOUT THEM AS YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS AND YOUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THEM. BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, I'M INCREDIBLY PROUD TO BE HERE. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR THREE YEARS, I'LL BE HERE FOR MANY MORE, AND I WEAR MY BADGE PROUDLY AT THE GROCERY STORE NOW, AS I ALWAYS HAVE, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE HOSPITAL AND ADVOCATE FOR THE 5000 EMPLOYEES THAT I REPRESENT AND THE 10,000 EMPLOYEES THAT WE REPRESENT IN THE FLORIDA REGION WHO TAKE CARE OF PATIENTS IN THIS AREA. SO HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THANK YOU. DOCTOR, SAYING ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR DOCTOR SINGH, YES I DO. MADAM CHAIR. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY. THANK YOU. CERTAINLY. ENLIGHTEN THE COMMUNITY ON MANY THINGS. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU AND THE HOSPITAL DID DURING COVID AND ALL OF THOSE NEW PROGRAMS FOR, AS YOU SAID, YOUR FATHER, YOUR MOTHER, ELDERCARE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT. COMMISSIONER. YOUR MICROPHONE. OH, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT IMPORTANT. THANK YOU. THE ISSUE CURRENTLY IS THE BIRTHING CENTER. I MEAN, IS THE MATERNITY ABILITY. YEAH, FOR THE HOSPITAL. THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE MOTHERS WHO ARE ABOUT TO GIVE BIRTH, THEIRS IS NOT A LONG TERM. IT'S NOT HOSPITAL. IT'S NOT THEIRS IS AN IMMEDIATE NEED. OKAY. AND THAT IMMEDIATE NEED IS NOW GOING TO BE SERVICED SOME 35 TO 40 MINUTES AWAY. AND YOU HAVE TO HOPE THAT WHEN YOU'RE READY TO GIVE BIRTH, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S YOUR SECOND OR THIRD CHILD, THAT YOU ARE NOT DOING IT DURING SEASON OR DURING COMMUTING HOURS, BECAUSE YOU WILL NEVER MAKE IT TO THE HOSPITAL. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, I KNOW YOU DIDN'T MAKE THIS DECISION. IT'S MADE. IT'S A BEAN COUNTER IN CLEVELAND, OHIO WHO MAKES THESE DECISIONS FOR EVERYONE? AND THE THING I THINK I RESENT THE MOST IS THAT YES, YOU BOUGHT IN. YOU BOUGHT OVER THE TRADITION SYSTEM IN PORT SAINT LUCIE. SAINT LUCIE COUNTY, BUT WE ARE TWO SEPARATE COUNTIES, TWO SEPARATE COUNTIES. SO THOSE NEEDS ARE NOW MOVED OVER TO SAINT LUCIE. AND I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE A GREAT GROWTH RATE GREATER THAN OURS. BUT IN A SENSE, YOU ARE RELEGATING US TO ALMOST RURAL STATUS. THERE WILL BE NO FAMILIES WHO ARE PLANNING TO HAVE CHILDREN, OR SECOND OR THIRD CHILDREN OR YOUNG PEOPLE, OR PLANNING TO MAKE THEIR LIFE HERE AND EVENTUALLY HAVE CHILDREN. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME HERE. SO NOT ONLY ARE MOTHERS, FATHERS, GRANDPARENTS ALL INSIGHT THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE ALSO UPSET ARE THE INVESTORS, THE PEOPLE WHO INVESTED IN PROPERTY HERE IN STUART. FOR IT TO BECOME THE CITY, IT IS BECAUSE NOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS BASICALLY WE CAN STILL BE VOTED THE BEST COASTAL TOWN IN AMERICA, WHERE FAMILIES AND SOON TO BE FAMILIES WILL BE LEAVING. IT WILL ONLY TOURISTS NEED APPLY. AND SO THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE HAVE BEEN MANY MENTIONS. I BELIEVE THERE WAS A REPORT THAT WAS PUT OUT BY CLEVELAND CLINIC ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU WERE ABLE, HOW MANY PEOPLE IN SPECIALTIES, ESPECIALLY OBSTETRICS, WAS ONE OF THEM, WHERE YOU'VE EXPANDED SERVICES. SO COULD IT POSSIBLY BE THAT THEY ALL HAVE TO RESIDE IN TRADITION? COULD WE NOT HAVE A SMALLER BIRTHING CENTER HERE SO THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO NICU AVAILABLE, A SMALLER BIRTHING CENTER? SINCE WE CANNOT EVEN COMPARE TO PORT SAINT LUCIE? LET ME LET ME LET ME CLEAR. THOSE ARE VERY FANTASTIC COMMENTS. LET ME CLARIFY A FEW THINGS. THE 
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BEAN COUNTERS WERE NOT INVOLVED. THIS WAS DONE LOCALLY IN THE FLORIDA REGION, BY DOCTORS, BY NURSES, BY PROVIDERS, BY EVERYONE INVOLVED. WE THIS WAS NOT AN EASY DECISION TO MAKE. I MENTIONED TO YOU BEFORE THAT WE COULD NOT RECRUIT OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY PROVIDERS TO THIS COMMUNITY. WE TRIED OUR BEST FOR THREE YEARS TO RECRUIT 11 DOCTORS. WE ENDED UP WITH SIX. 
          IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A GAME OF MONEY. IT'S ABOUT BUYING GETTING PROVIDERS. SO IF THE IF WE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL AS A COMMUNITY, ATTRACTING THOSE DOCTORS HERE WITH ALL THE HEADWINDS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WITH ALL THE HEADWINDS NATIONALLY IN REGARDS TO INSUFFICIENT NUMBER OF PHYSICIANS COMING TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY, THEN WE CAN CHANGE WHAT WE'RE DOING AND CHANGE CERTAINLY DO THAT. AND AGAIN, IF WE HAVE SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF BIRTHS, WE DO THAT. BUT BY THE WAY, COMMISSIONER, I HAVE TO SAY AGAIN, GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT, NO ONE BATS AN EYELASH WHEN THEY GO TO JUPITER MEDICAL CENTER TO DELIVER THEIR BABY, AND THEY HAVE A PALM BEACH BIRTH CERTIFICATE, YET THEY HAVE PROBLEMS. ALL OF A SUDDEN WHEN THE HOSPITAL CHANGES WHAT THEY DO AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAINT LUCIE AND THEY'RE GOING ELSEWHERE, I CAN TELL YOU, WE SPENT THREE YEARS DOING THIS AND WE TRIED TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF BIRTHS. WE WENT FROM 60 TO 100. THAT'S A QUARTER OF WHAT NATIONAL SERVICES NORMAL SERVICES DO. SO YOUR YOUR ANSWER AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. ABSOLUTELY. WE ARE EVALUATING YEAR BY YEAR AND WILL CHANGE ANG TO ADD TO THAT IS IF A MOTHER IS IN NEED IN THIS, WE HAVE MADE SURE OUR EMERGENCY ROOMS CAN SERVICE THEIR CARE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE FIRST PLACE THEY'RE GOING TO GO IS TO AN EMERGENCY ROOM. SO WE HAVE TWO EMERGENCY ROOMS IN THIS COUNTY, AN URGENT CARE AS WELL. ALL THREE ARE WELL TOOLED TO TAKE CARE OF A MOTHER IN DESPERATE NEED OF DELIVERY, AND TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS, WHETHER IT'S DELIVERY IN OUR EDS OR WHETHER IT'S TRANSFER THAT PATIENT TO A FACILITY, WE WILL MAKE THAT SURE THAT HAPPENS. BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES HERE. BUT I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS, JUST TO BE CLEAR, ARE MADE HERE. THE DECISIONS MADE ARE REALLY MADE HERE LOCALLY AND WITHIN THE REGION OF FLORIDA, NOT AT THE BEAN COUNTER LEVEL IN CLEVELAND, OHIO. YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN BETTER TO LET ME BELIEVE THAT IT WAS IN OHIO AND NOT LOCAL. TRUST ME. I JUST WANT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT'S TRANSPARENT. YOU KNOW, IF AGAIN, IF WE CANNOT STAND UP A SERVICE, I IT'S VERY HARD FOR US TO RECRUIT PHYSICIANS. THERE ARE MANY SERVICES. WE HAVE VERY DIFFICULT TROUBLE ATTRACTING PHYSICIANS WITH. A GREAT EXAMPLE WAS PRIMARY CARE WHEN WE FIRST GOT HERE. PRIMARY CARE IS NOT A SPECIALTY A LOT OF PEOPLE GO INTO. IT'S A VERY LOW PAYING SPECIALTY. I CAN TELL YOU THAT AS THE SPOUSE OF A PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN WHO WORKS HOURS AND HOURS PAST HER BEDTIME TO BASICALLY MAKE SURE ALL HER CHARTS ARE ANSWERED FOR PATIENTS. SO IT'S A THANKLESS SPECIALTY. BUT YET WE STILL ARE ABLE TO RECRUIT THOSE DOCTORS HERE FOR MANY VERY DIFFERENT REASONS. AND PART OF IT IS THE CULTURE WE'RE CREATING IN THE HOSPITAL SYSTEM. AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT YOU WOULD INCREASE OR REACTIVATE THE BIRTH UNIT. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN IF WE DON'T HAVE ONE. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO REOPEN THE WHOLE UNIT. MAYBE YOU CAN ONLY STAFF IT WITH TWO DOCTORS, BUT AT LEAST THERE SHOULD BE A DEDICATED BED, NOT AN EMERGENCY ROOM BED. THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF DEDICATED SECTION WHERE IT WOULD BE FOR BIRTHING. IT WOULD BE AT LEAST ONE NICU IN CASE THERE IS A CHILD IN NEED. RIGHT. OKAY, SO I JUST FEEL THAT YOU'VE DONE SOME GREAT THINGS, AND I KNOW YOU CAME INTO A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAD TO MAKE A LOT OF CHANGES SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME IN THE BIBLE, BIRTHS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TAKE PLACE AND THEY'LL TAKE PLACE INTO THE FUTURE. UNFORTUNATELY, IF YOU CLOSE A BIRTHING CENTER HERE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE PLACE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER REED. YEAH, I JUST I WANTED TO SAY I BEG TO DIFFER. 
          I WAS ACTUALLY BORN AT MARK MEMORIAL, AND I MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE SITTING UP HERE WITH A MARTIN COUNTY BIRTH CERTIFICATE. TO ME, IT'S A SHAME. IF I DO DECIDE TO HAVE CHILDREN, THEY WON'T HAVE THAT SAME OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT MARTIN COUNTY BIRTH CERTIFICATE. I'M ALSO AN EDUCATOR FOR THE NEXT GENERATION. I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER WITH MY FAMILY FOR PRESCHOOL. WE SERVICE ABOUT 16 INFANTS IN THIS COUNTY ALONE RIGHT OFF EAST OCEAN. IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM YOUR HOSPITAL. MY QUESTIONS FOR YOU WOULD BE HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE AN EMERGENCY BIRTH IF YOU HAD TO? IF TRANSPORTATION WAS NOT THE OPTION, IF SOMEONE CAME INTO YOUR HOSPITAL. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE ALL OF OUR ED TEAMS WELL EQUIPPED TO HANDLE BIRTHS. IF THEY DO OCCUR. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO. YOU DON'T NEED AN OBSTETRICIAN AT THE TIME OF AN 
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URGENT BIRTH TO TAKE CARE OF A BABY. NOR DO YOU NEED, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A PEDIATRIC EMERGENCY AT THAT TIME. THE ED DOCTORS ARE WELL TRAINED. WE'VE ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH ALL THAT TRAINING WITH THEM. WE'VE ACTIVATED INTUBATION CARTS, INTUBATION, PEDIATRIC CARTS THAT HAVE LINES IN THEM SO WE CAN PLACE LINES. THEY'VE ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH SIMULATION TRAINING UP IN SAINT LUCY, WHICH WE HAVE A SIMULATION CENTER UP IN TIFFANY. SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE PATIENTS URGENTLY WHEN THEY COME INTO OUR FACILITY. RIGHT OFF THE BAT, WITH REGARDS TO TRANSPORTATION, WE OWN OUR OWN TRUCKS, WE OWN OUR OWN AMBULANCE SERVICES. WE CAN RUN PATIENTS TO OUR FACILITIES OR TO OTHER FACILITIES. WE HAVE TRUCKS THAT WAIT IN OUR FACILITIES FOR URGENT CARE SITUATIONS, JUST AS THE ONE YOU DESCRIBE. I DON'T HAVE ANY DOUBT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE PATIENTS IF NEED BE. MY NEXT QUESTION WAS YOU HAD MENTIONED TWO THINGS. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE BIRTH RATE BEING TOO LOW. YEAH. AND THAT WAS ONE REASON. SO IS IT A TWO PART REASON? BECAUSE YOU WERE LOOKING FOR MORE SPECIALISTS BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAD SIX? NO. SO WE WERE LOOKING FOR 11 OBSTETRICIANS. WE HAD SIX OBSTETRICIANS. SO YOU WOULD NEED 11 TOTAL. AND DOES THE BIRTH RATE STILL HAVE TO GO UP. NO, THAT WAS JUST A STAFF AT AT THE LOWER LEVEL. WE HAD IT AT TO REALLY SUFFICIENTLY STAFF THE HOSPITAL. BECAUSE IF YOU IMAGINE A DOCTOR WORKS 12 HOURS ON CALL, 12 HOURS OFF CALL. SO WE NEEDED 11 DOCTORS TO FILL A MONTH'S SHIFT. WE ONLY HAD SIX DOCTORS. SO WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REST OF IT? WELL, SOME PEOPLE WERE HAVING TO DOUBLE SHIFTS, SOMETIMES TRIPLE SHIFTS. IT'S A HORRIBLE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THOSE PHYSICIANS. AND THEY, THEY'RE THEY'RE LIABLE TO MAKE MISTAKES AT THAT TIME BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE EXHAUSTED. SO WE REALLY THINK THAT THAT, THAT, THAT WAS THAT WAS THE MAJOR REASON. THAT WAS THE GENESIS OF THE BEGINNING. IT WASN'T THE FINANCIALS. IT WAS REALLY AROUND THE FACT THAT WE WERE FACING HUGE STAFFING ISSUES WITH THE HOSPITAL. WE INITIALLY FACED STAFFING ISSUES WITH NURSING, WHICH I MENTIONED TO YOU BEFORE. WE WERE ABLE TO RIGHTSIZE THEN WITH MIDWIFE MIDWIFERY PROGRAMS AND ALSO WITH PHYSICIANS. THE MIDWIFERY PROGRAM ACTUALLY WAS WAS FINE. IT FINALLY WAS THE PHYSICIANS THAT REALLY BROKE THE STRAW IN THAT CAMEL'S BACK. AND WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS THAT YOU GUYS GIVE AWAY, WAS THAT LIKE SERVICES THAT YOU PROVIDED THAT YOU NEVER BILLED FOR, OR WAS THAT 250 MILLION OR $50 MILLION? SO, YEAH, IT'S $250 MILLION THAT WAS PROVIDED AND 50 MILLION. YEAH. SO THE 250, A QUARTER OF $1 BILLION. AND THAT WAS THAT WAS SERVICES THAT YOU SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDED THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY COULD NOT AFFORD OR PAY FOR THAT ENDED UP IN CHARITABLE CARE BECAUSE EITHER THEY THEY COULD NOT AFFORD IT DUE TO THEIR POVERTY LEVEL OR OTHERWISE, THEY JUST COULD NOT MAKE MAKE IT HAPPEN. MANY OF OUR, OUR CHARITABLE CARE POLICY IS A TWO AND A HALF TIMES THE POVERTY RATE, WHICH IS QUITE GENEROUS, SOME UP TO THREE TIMES THE POVERTY RATE IN SOME SERVICE AREAS. AND STILL WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COULD NOT AFFORD THOSE, THOSE THAT HEALTH CARE, THEY DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE TO EVEN BILL. AND WITH THE SIX DOCTORS THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED, YOU NEEDED 11 FOR A MONTH BASICALLY TO CORRECT IT. YEAH. IT WASN'T POSSIBLE TO STAFF IT EVERY OTHER WEEK SO YOU COULD HAVE SOME BIRDS AT ALL. SO WE SHOULD I SHOULD JUST PLAYING THIS OUT. SEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE A FATHER BUT TELL YOU. YEAH. TELL YOUR WIFE TO HOLD ON TO THE BABY FOR THE NEXT WEEK BECAUSE THE DOCTORS ON CALL. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. NO, NO, I MEAN, I MEAN, IN THE KINDEST WAY POSSIBLE. I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S POSSIBLE TO STAFF IT ANOTHER WEEK. IT WOULD BE DOING, I THINK THE COMMUNITY A FURTHER DISSERVICE TO SAY THAT EVERY OTHER WEEK WE WOULD HAVE IT AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE. ALL RIGHT. BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. 
          COMMISSIONER CLARK. NO. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, DOCTOR SINGH. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. AND I MUST SAY, DOCTOR, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU'VE HAD THAT I'VE ATTENDED. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO REACH OUT. AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU EXPLAINED SOME OF THE THINGS ABOUT STAFFING AND THE IDEA OF SOME TYPE OF PEOPLE EITHER MALIGNING THE HOSPITAL OR WHATEVER IS HAPPENING. IT'S IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THE BEST FACILITY AND GIVING THE BEST SERVICE AS POSSIBLE. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. I'M GOING TO JUST ASK BOTH OF THEM. THEY'RE PROBABLY UNRELATED, BUT THEN YOU CAN WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND THEM AND FIGURE IT OUT. YEAH. SO I WITH REGARD TO HEALTH START AND THE WORK THAT THEY DO, TRYING TO ENCOURAGE MOTHERS TO HAVE SAFE DELIVERY FOR THEIR BABIES AND TO HAVE A SAFE PRENATAL WORK IN THE COMMUNITY AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HELP IS THERE. MY QUESTION IS TO ASK YOU HOW REALISTIC OR VIABLE IT IS TO WORK WITH HEALTHY. START TO SEE HOW WE CAN GET SOMETHING LIKE, I THINK COMMISSIONER WAS SAYING HAVING SOME TYPE OF A DEDICATED FACILITY OR, OR SOMETHING SO THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE THERE WILL BE SOMETHING HERE. YEAH. HOW REALISTIC THAT IS. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS NOT RELATED TO 
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MATERNITY AT ALL, BUT TO CARE IS WHAT IS THE STATUS OF PROVIDING CARE TO UNDOCUMENTED PERSONS NOW AT THE HOSPITAL. YEAH. OKAY. SO TWO GREAT QUESTIONS. SO REGARDING THE FIRST QUESTION, WE'VE BEEN VERY MUCH SUPPORTIVE OF MARTIN COUNTY HEALTH. WE'VE FUNDED THEIR DOULA PROGRAM, THEIR MOBILE FOR PATIENTS TO BE SCREENED IN THE COMMUNITY. WE PROVIDED BOTH IN-KIND SERVICES AND DOLLARS TO THAT THAT THE ORGANIZATION IN REGARDS TO THEIR ABILITY TO STAND UP A FREESTANDING BIRTHING UNIT, WHICH IS PART OF STATE LAW IN FLORIDA. ABSOLUTELY. IT'S POSSIBLE. IT DOES REQUIRE, AGAIN, THE ABILITY TO RECRUIT THOSE PROVIDERS. FINDING THE PROVIDERS, I THINK, WILL BE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE. WE HAVE THREE OF OUR PEOPLE, ONE MIDWIFE, AS WELL AS TWO PHYSICIANS WHO ARE ON THEIR CURRENT TASK FORCE. SO WE HAVE COMMITTED INDIVIDUALS. 
          WE DIDN'T TURN OUR BACKS AND SAY WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATING. THEY ARE PARTICIPATING IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. WE ACTUALLY HAD DISCUSSIONS EVEN PRIOR TO THIS ABOUT THEM COMING IN AND TAKING OVER PARTS OF OUR FACILITY THAT WERE BIRTHING AT THE TIME, BUT AT THE TIME, THEY WERE NOT READY FOR THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND WHY, BECAUSE IT IS A VERY LARGE FINANCIAL COMMITMENT FOR ANYONE TO UNDERTAKE THIS. AS I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT BEFORE, IT'S NOT JUST THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO FIND THE PROVIDERS, YOU HAVE TO UNDERWRITE THESE SITUATIONS AND INSURANCE COMPANIES. AS I MENTIONED TO YOU BEFORE, MEDICAID IN PARTICULAR PAYS 30 TO $0.40 ON THE DOLLAR FOR MOST OF THE THINGS THAT ARE DONE IN THE COMMUNITY. THAT HASN'T CHANGED IN A LONG, LONG TIME. NOW, JUST UP UNTIL LAST YEAR, IT HADN'T CHANGED FOR 18 YEARS, AND IT'S STILL WAY BELOW THE LEVEL IT IS. THAT'S EFFICIENCY. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE ARE POSSIBLE AND CHALLENGES, BUT THEY CAN BE OVERCOME WITH THE RIGHT MIXTURE OF VARIOUS SUPPORT STRUCTURES. WE'RE WILLING TO HELP AND TO CONTINUE TO HELP THEM OVER TIME. IN REGARDS TO UNDOCUMENTED INDIVIDUALS, WE CARE FOR UNDOCUMENTED INDIVIDUALS WITH REGARDS TO THE LAWS, WHICH ARE IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US TO FOLLOW THE LAWS. FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T AWARE, IF PATIENTS COME IN MEDICAL NEED TO OUR ED FACILITIES OR URGENT CARE FACILITIES, WE DO TAKE CARE OF THEM. WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. IT'S OUR LAW. IT'S OUR IT'S OUR IT'S A LAW TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE UNDOCUMENTED STATUS. IN REGARDS TO THAT, IN REGARDS TO UNDOCUMENTED STATUS IN OUR AMBULATORY SITES AND ELSEWHERE, THEY ARE PROVIDED CHARITABLE CARE AT TIMES, AND IT AGAIN DEPENDS ON THEIR QUALIFICATION, BUT THEY ARE STILL PROVIDED CHARITABLE CARE. AND THAT'S BEING EVALUATED AS THE GOVERNMENT'S EVALUATING IT. IT'S SORT OF THE GOVERNMENT'S RULE, NOT OUR RULE AT THIS POINT, BUT THEY'RE STILL ALLOWED TO RECEIVE CHARITABLE CARE UNDER SOME OF THOSE ACTIVITIES. THANK YOU, MR. VICE MAYOR. SO, DOCTOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU'RE HERE TO TAKE POTENTIALLY SLINGS AND ARROWS. YEP. IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU ARE HERE REPRESENTING CLEVELAND AT LARGE, I FEEL RESPONSIBLE TO COMMUNICATE TO YOU DIRECTLY, FACE TO FACE, THE FRUSTRATION THAT I AM HEARING AND I FEEL FROM OUR RESIDENTS. SOMETIMES WHAT MAKES SENSE ON PAPER DOESN'T TRANSLATE INTO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY. WOULD YOU AGREE? SOMETIMES WE CAN LOSE TRACK ON SPREADSHEETS. 
          IT OFTEN HAPPENS IN HERE WITH DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER THINGS. THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL FUNCTION OF A HOSPITAL. EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE MULTIPLE HOSPITALS WITHIN YOUR SYSTEM. THIS IS THE HOSPITAL FOR THIS COMMUNITY. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BORN IN THAT HOSPITAL LIKE COMMISSIONER REED MENTIONED. THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD. A LOT OF BOOMERS, A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE A LOT OLDER THAN ME, TELLING ME THAT THEY WERE BORN IN THAT HOSPITAL, AND WHAT A SHAME IT WOULD BE. AND EVEN BEFORE THAT, WHEN IT WAS OFF OF COCONUT BY HOSPITAL POND AND THAT WHITE BUILDING THAT'S STILL OVER THERE, PEOPLE WERE BORN IN THAT HOSPITAL. MOMS DON'T WANT TO GIVE BIRTH IN AN ER. WOULD YOU? NEXT TO SOMEBODY OVERDOSING OR SOMEBODY WITH SOME KIND OF STAPH OR BACTERIAL INFECTION THAT'S COME IN SOME DIABETIC INFECTION WHILE YOU'RE TRYING TO HAVE A BABY? DO YOU DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS THAT AS POPULATION INCREASES, I'VE HEARD OMINOUSLY FROM MY CITY MANAGER THAT PORT SAINT LUCIE INTENDS ON DUMPING ANOTHER 500,000 OR SO PEOPLE OVER THE NEXT 50 YEARS, 400,000 OVER THE NEXT 30. CLOSE ENOUGH. NEW FIELD WILL HAVE 12,000 PEOPLE THERE ON CITRUS, THANKS TO STACY HETHERINGTON AND COMPANY. I'M VERY WORRIED THAT THIS COMMUNITY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT HOSPITAL SAFELY AND THAT IT WILL ENDANGER 
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MOTHERS AND THEIR BABIES, SPECIFICALLY AROUND HOME BIRTHS OR SITUATIONS WHERE THERE'S ISSUES THAT WEREN'T ACCOUNTED FOR, WHICH ARE ALWAYS CAN BE. YOUR PRIVATE BUSINESS. YOUR COMPANY IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS. I'M A CHIROPRACTOR JUST NEXT TO WHERE YOU GUYS ARE. I APPRECIATE THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC ENTERPRISE, BUT YOU ARE A HOSPITAL THAT SERVES THIS COMMUNITY. AND YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE PERCEPTION OF YOUR HOSPITAL IN THIS SMALL TOWN, RIGHT. AND ONE OF THE WORST WAYS TO DAMAGE THE PERCEPTION OF YOUR HOSPITAL WITH RELATIVELY NEW OWNERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT WOULD BE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THIS COMMUNITY. IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK AND NOT TO BEAT YOU UP. I AGAIN APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE HERE, MAN. IT'S I RESPECT YOU A LOT FOR COMING IN HERE, AND I HOPE YOU'LL STAY. AND I HOPE YOU'LL LISTEN TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM MIDWIVES AND DOULAS AND PEOPLE THAT THEIR LIVELIHOODS INVOLVED IN THIS. AND THEY'RE THE ONES LIKE YOU HAVE. YOU MIGHT BE ADMINISTRATIVE NOW, BUT AT SOME POINT I'M CLINICAL. 
          FANTASTIC. BUT THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR HANDS ON MOTHERS AND BABIES EVERY DAY. SO I HOPE YOU'LL STICK AROUND FOR THOSE COMMENTS. BUT. IF THERE IS A WAY TO DO THIS AT A SMALL SCALE, I'VE HEARD YOUR COMMENTS THAT YOU CAN'T FIND STAFF ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO. I WOULD JUST, FACE TO FACE, ENCOURAGE YOU AND ASK YOU TO FIND A WAY TO NOT CLOSE THAT MATERNITY AT OUR COMMUNITY HOSPITAL. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, VICE MAYOR, I JUST WOULD PROBABLY ADD TO YOUR COMMENTS AS FAR AS DECISION MAKING. PHYSICIAN LEADERS DO THINGS THAT DRIVE ACCOUNTANTS CRAZY BECAUSE WE DO IT FOR THE GOOD OF PATIENTS. EXACTLY. LET ME GIVE YOU A QUICK JUST EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE DECISION MAKING COMES INTO PLAY. I HAVE OBSTETRICIANS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO GYNECOLOGISTS BECAUSE WE COULD NOT STAFF OBSTETRICS. WE ALSO TURNED AWAY A LOT OF PATIENTS WHO HAD GYNECOLOGICAL NEEDS. THIS COUNTY IS ALMOST TEN YEARS OLDER THAN SAINT LUCIE COUNTY. YOUR MOTHER OR MY MOTHER MIGHT COME HOME ONE DAY WITH ABNORMAL VAGINAL BLEEDING AND NEED TO SEE A GYNECOLOGIST, ONLY REALIZING THAT THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH GYNECOLOGISTS IN THIS COMMUNITY TO SERVICE HER. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING WHEN WE ARE BASICALLY DECIDING BETWEEN OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY, BECAUSE SIMPLY WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PROVIDERS NOW, IN A DIFFERENT DAY, IF WE HAD ENOUGH PROVIDERS, THEN WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO SERVICE ALL THE COMMUNITY. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST TO SERVICE AS MANY COMMUNITIES AS WE CAN. WITH THE LIMITED STAFFING THAT IS AVAILABLE. AND I KNOW THAT DOESN'T SOUND PALATABLE AT TIMES, BUT BASICALLY AT THE SAME TIME, WHILE WE ARE STAFFING OUR OBSTETRICS, WE'RE GETTING WE'RE WE'RE REALLY IGNORING OUR GYNECOLOGICAL PATIENTS. AND LAST YEAR ALONE, WE HAD 200 PATIENTS OR SO THAT DIDN'T HAVE GYNECOLOGICAL SURGERIES AT MARTIN HOSPITAL. WHERE DID THOSE WOMEN GO? WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE THEY WENT TO. WE HOPE THEY GOT CARE SOMEPLACE. I HOPE THEY GOT CARE SOMEPLACE. I'M A PRACTITIONER. I PROVIDE CARE IN MY HOSPITAL TO PATIENTS. SIMPLY, I HOPE THAT THEY GET SOMEPLACE THEY NEED TO BE. THOSE ARE THE DIFFICULT DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE THIS DAY IN HEALTH CARE. AND YOU, AS A PRACTITIONER, KNOWS BETTER THAN ANYONE THE DIFFICULTIES WITH INSURANCE, WITH DENIALS, WITH PRIOR AUTHORIZATIONS, WITH ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS THAT REALLY ARE AFFECTING US AND WE'RE NOT IMMUNE FROM THAT. AND I BELIEVE YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT. YEAH. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE VOTE OF CONFIDENCE. WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO FIGURE OUT THINGS. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE BETTER AT MOST OF THESE THINGS THAN MOST HAVE. WE THANKFULLY ARE. A LARGE ORGANIZATION NOW SPANS ALMOST 25 HOSPITALS ACROSS THE US, SO WE WILL DEFINITELY FIGURE IT OUT IN SOME WAY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU DOCTOR. YEAH THANK YOU DOCTOR SAYING JUST LET ME, AS I MENTIONED IN MY INTRODUCTORY REMARKS FOR YOU, IS THIS IS A CRISIS THAT EXISTS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. AND W, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT JUST CLEVELAND CLINIC IN IN MARTIN COUNTY. I KNOW THE MAYOR OF SEBASTIAN, AND THEY COMPLETELY LOST THEIR MEDICAL SYSTEM A WHILE WITH THE COLLAPSE OF THE STEWARD HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. IT ALSO LEFT THE STATE OF WESTERN MASSACHUSETTS, ONE OF THE WEALTHIEST STATES IN THE UNITED STATES, COMPLETELY WITHOUT HEALTH CARE, NO SERVICE AT ALL, AS THEY HAD A PRIVATE EQUITY DEBACLE WITH THAT SYSTEM. AND I KNOW THEY ARE WORKING 
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DESPERATELY TO TRY TO GET DOCTORS AND NURSES BACK IN THOSE HOSPITALS. SO TO ASK YOU TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS THAT THE ENTIRE US HEALTH, US HEALTH CARE SYSTEM HAS CREATED, IN ADDITION TO INSURANCE, IN ADDITION TO LEGISLATION, ESPECIALLY WITH REGARD TO OB GYN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNFAIR, AND I DO THINK YOU ARE MAKING YOUR BEST EFFORT. NOW, IF THE CITY OF STUART WANTS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM AND PROVIDE THIS RESOURCE, AND THE IRONY OF THIS STATEMENT IS NOT LOST ON ME, WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY. WE SIMPLY THIS CITY SIMPLY DOES NOT HAVE THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO COVER THE COSTS, THE VERY REAL AND SUBSTANTIAL COSTS THAT WOULD BE INCURRED. I SEE MISS SUFFOLK IS IN THE AUDIENCE. I HOPE THAT SHE HAS SPOKEN WITH ALL THE COMMISSIONERS. THE AT THIS POINT, I THINK THAT'S THE MOST PRACTICAL WAY FORWARD. AND SHE DOES HAVE THE COOPERATION OF DOCTOR SINGH AND THAT HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. AND WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO AND I DON'T KNOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT WHEN GOVERNMENT GETS INTO THE BUSINESS, THE PRIVATE BUSINESS OF HEALTH CARE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS. SO YEAH, AND I WOULD I WOULD ASK OFFER IF PEOPLE HAVE SOLUTIONS TO THIS ISSUE, WE'RE REALLY WILLING TO HEAR THEM. WE ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS ABOUT MY JOB IS TO SAY THAT WE ARE NOT THE SMARTEST PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, THAT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT CAN HELP US BE SMARTER AT THIS. SO WE'RE WILLING TO HAVE PEOPLE COME AND GIVE SUGGESTIONS, AS YOU ARE RIGHT NOW, AS OTHERS HAVE IN THE PAST, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO LISTEN, TO LISTEN TO THOSE. ANY SUGGESTION WE CAN GET TO CHANGE THINGS IN WHAT WE'RE DOING? THANK YOU, DOCTOR SINGH. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. OKAY, I DO HAVE A FEW PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS PRESENTATION. THAT'S UP TO YOU. THAT'S KIND OF UNUSUAL, BUT SURE, LET'S GO AHEAD. SAMANTHA SUFFOLK. OH, THERE WE GO. MIGHT OPEN UP FOR FOREVER. GOOD EVENING, MISS SUFFOLK. GOOD EVENING. I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER COLLINS. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT I DID NOT GET TO BEFOREHAND. I'M WORKING ON GETTING YOU SCHEDULED. SO I AM SAMANTHA SUFFOLK, CEO OF MARTIN COUNTY HEALTHY START COALITION. I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF STUART AND A MOTHER OF THREE LOVELY CHILDREN WHO TWO OF WHICH WERE BORN IN MARTIN COUNTY. SO I THIS IS A VERY IT'S NOT A GREAT SITUATION AND I HIGHLY RESPECT YOU. DOCTOR SINGH, I APPLAUD YOU FOR COMING OUT HERE AND TALKING ABOUT THE, THE SITUATION. BUT UNTIL THIS POINT, OUR COUNTY HAS HAD A HOSPITAL WHERE EXPECTANT MOTHERS COULD SAFELY DELIVER THEIR BABIES CLOSE TO HOME. AND AS YOU HEARD EARLIER, THEY WILL NO LONGER. THIS WILL NO LONGER BE THE CASE. THE CLOSER CLOSURE OF THIS UNIT MEANS THAT EVERY PREGNANT WOMAN IN OUR COUNTY WILL NOW HAVE TO TRAVEL THE COUNTY TO THE COUNTY NORTH OR SOUTH. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE. COULD BE IF YOU'RE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE COUNTY, ANYWHERE BETWEEN 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR, CONSIDERING TRAFFIC, THIS IS NOT JUST AN INCONVENIENCE. IT IS ALSO A DIRECT THREAT TO OUR MATERNAL AND INFANT HEALTH. STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT AN INCREASE IN TRAVEL DISTANCES LEAD TO HIGHER RATES OF MATERNAL COMPLICATIONS. 
          PRETERM BIRTHS, AND NICU ADMISSIONS. THE FINANCIAL BURDEN WILL BE SEVERE FOR THOSE FAMILIES AND OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL. FOR MANY WOMEN, ESPECIALLY THOSE WITH HIGH RISK PREGNANCIES, LIMITED TRANSPORTATION, OR ECONOMIC HARDSHIPS, THIS CHANGE COULD MEAN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIFE OR DEATH FOR THEM. MARTIN COUNTY IS NOW ON THE VERGE OF BECOMING A MATERNITY CARE DESERT, JUST LIKE OKEECHOBEE COUNTY. AND AS OUR BIRTH NUMBERS CONTINUE TO GROW. SO LAST YEAR, WE HAD A RECORD BREAKING 1353 BIRTHS. THIS LACK OF ACCESS WILL ONLY BECOME MORE DANGEROUS. WE HAVEN'T SEEN A MATERNAL MATERNAL DEATH SINCE 2006, AND I'M FEARFUL THAT THIS CLOSURE COULD RESULT IN THAT MOST IMMEDIATELY. YES, HEALTHY START IS EDUCATING OUR CLIENTS ON THE URGENT WARNING SIGNS THAT DURING PREGNANCY AND POSTPARTUM PERIOD, THAT WILL INDICATE THAT THEY SHOULD SEEK OUT THEIR CLOSEST EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. WE NEED TO ENSURE FAMILIES IN OUR COMMUNITY HAVE SAFE, ACCESSIBLE OPTIONS FOR CHILDBIRTH. I URGE THE COMMISSION AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP IN DOING THIS TODAY TO ADDRESS THIS CRISIS, WHETHER BY SUPPORTING ALTERNATIVE MATERNITY CARE OPTIONS LIKE A COMMUNITY BASED BIRTH CENTER, WORKING WITH STATE AND HEALTH CARE LEADERS, OR ADVOCATING FOR IMMEDIATE SOLUTIONS TO FILL THIS DANGEROUS GAP. OUR FAMILIES DESERVE BETTER, OUR INFANTS DESERVE BETTER, AND THE DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE TODAY WILL IMPACT OUR GENERATIONS TO COME. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS HAVE HAVE YOU BEEN SPEAKING WITH THE COUNTY? YES I 
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HAVE YEAH. SO ANY QUESTIONS. NO. AND SHE'S ALSO SPOKEN TO THE STATE. YES. YES. ALL RIGHT. NEXT I HAVE RANDY. THANK YOU. RANDY PENNINGTON. HELLO I'M RANDY PENNINGTON AND I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING THE PRESIDENT OF MARTIN COUNTY. HEALTHY. START THE CLOSING OF THIS BIRTHING CENTER IN STUART'S CONCERNING DUE TO THE ADDED STRESS ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF WHEN EXPECTANT MOTHERS HAVE TO BE TRANSPORTED VIA AMBULANCE TO THE TRADITIONAL HOSPITAL. WE TALKED ABOUT 45 MINUTES AN HOUR ROUND TRIP. IT'LL. I THINK IT'LL PUT SOME STRESS ON THE CITY OR COUNTY AMBULANCE. WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO ADDRESS LOCAL NEEDS, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. AND IT HAS A I THINK IT HAS A SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON THIS POPULATION. I'M TRYING TO THINK LIKE MY PARENTS ARE AGED. I WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE AN AMBULANCE NOT BE ABLE TO GET THEM TO THE HOSPITAL. SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR, THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. ANYONE ELSE? YES, I HAVE A MR. OR MRS. BECK KING. IT'S A MRS. HI, I'M LINDA BECK KING, AND I'M A NURSE. HOME VISITOR FOR NURSE FAMILY PARTNERSHIP, PART OF MARTIN COUNTY HEALTHY START. AND I'M ALSO A MOTHER TO THREE YOUNG ADULT CHILDREN, TWO OF WHICH RESIDE RIGHT HERE IN MARTIN COUNTY. AND I HOPE TO BE A GRANDMA SOMEDAY BEFORE I'M 80. AND I'M REALLY HERE BECAUSE I WORK WITH MOMS AND BABIES RIGHT HERE. AND OF COURSE, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THEM BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE SAFE ACCESS THAT THEY NEED FOR DELIVERING HEALTHY BABIES. AND IN MY WORK, I'M WORKING WITH FAMILIES FOR A LONG TIME. I KNOW ACTUALLY, SOMETHING I THINK WE DON'T THINK ABOUT IS, AS A MOM IS CONCERNED THAT SHE MIGHT NEED TO GET TO THE HOSPITAL EVEN EARLIER THAN NEEDED. I KNOW AS A HEALTH CARE WORKER, WHEN SOMEONE GOES TO THE HOSPITAL TOO EARLY, MEDICAL STAFF LIKE TO HAVE UNNECESSARY MEDICAL INTERVENTIONS BECAUSE, OKAY, WELL, YOU'RE HERE. YOU ALREADY DROVE 40 MINUTES TO GET TO TRADITION. YOU THINK YOU'RE IN LABOR. LET'S START SOME MEDICAL INTERVENTIONS TO GET LABOR GOING. AND THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF THE COMPLICATION. IF WE HAVE MOMS RIGHT HERE THAT ARE TRYING TO GET THERE EVEN EARLIER. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THIS REALLY IS A CONCERN TO NOT HAVE, ESPECIALLY IN SUCH A PROSPEROUS COUNTY AS MARTIN COUNTY IS. WE KNOW THAT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. SO IT'S APPALLING TO THINK THAT YOU CAN'T GIVE BIRTH HERE. SO I BEG YOU TO CONSIDER WHAT ARE OUR OTHER OPTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HEY, ROSIE SHEPHERD. AND DANCER. SHE. ONE EVENING, MISS SHEPHERD. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, DOCTOR SINGH. MY NAME IS ROSIE SHEPHERD. I AM A DIRECTOR ON THE BOARD FOR MARTIN COUNTY HEALTHY START. WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR COMMUNITY AND WE LOOK AT THAT AT RISK POPULATION HERE IN STUART, IT SITS IN EAST STUART RIGHT NEAR THE HOSPITAL. THE YOU KNOW WHAT MARTIN COUNTY HEALTHY START IS DOING IS PHENOMENAL. I DO HOPE TO SEE CONTINUED SUPPORT. AND I DO LOVE THAT YOU GUYS ARE ARE BEHIND US TOO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JILL TAYLOR. HELLO ALL. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONERS, FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY AND ALLOWING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU. I AM AN EMPLOYEE WITH MARTIN COUNTY HEALTHY START, SO IT'S VERY EXCITING TO HAVE ALL OF US HERE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO YOU. 
          I THINK WE'RE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR. IT'S VERY OBVIOUS THAT YOU ALL FEEL THE SAME WAY THAT WE DO, AND THAT OUR MOTHERS WHO BIRTH BABIES HAVE A RIGHT TO DELIVER IN A SAFE SPACE WHERE THEY FEEL WELCOME AND THEY FEEL HEARD. AND ALTHOUGH I'M A MARTIN COUNTY HEALTHY START EMPLOYEE, I'M ALSO A WOMAN OF CHILDBEARING AGE, AND ONE OF MY CLOSEST FRIENDS HAD A BABY AT NORTH, AND I WAS THERE PRETTY MUCH HER ENTIRE STAY. AND IT WAS THE MOST ONE OF THE MOST INCREDIBLE, INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCES THAT I'VE SEEN. AND SO FOR MYSELF TO SAY, WOW, I WISH I COULD HAVE THAT, AND NOW THERE'S A POTENTIAL AND A LIKELIHOOD THAT I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT. IT FEELS LIKE THE RUG BEING RIPPED FROM UNDERNEATH ME. AND AS PART OF SOMEONE WHO WORKS FOR HEALTHY START AND HAS BEEN THERE FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS AND WORKS WITH MANY OF THE FAMILIES, THEY ARE YOUR CHILDREN. THEY ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS. THERE MAY BE NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT THEM, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HELP, TO KEEP STUART ALIVE, TO KEEP MARTIN COUNTY ALIVE. AND, 
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YOU KNOW, AS THE POPULATION HERE AGES, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S CALLED, YOU KNOW, A POPULATION CURVE. AND SO AS THE POPULATION AGES, SOMEONE HAS TO FILL THAT GAP. AND SO IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO FILL THAT GAP WITH CHILDREN WHO CAN LIVE HERE OR GO TO SCHOOL HERE OR WORK HERE, THE ENTIRE INFRASTRUCTURE STARTS TO SORT OF CRUMBLE. AND SO I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT YOU ALL ARE SUPPORTIVE OF OUR DECISION TO COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HEALTHY START IS VERY PROUD OF, IS THAT WHEN WE SEE A PROBLEM THAT SUPPORTS OR THAT IMPACTS OUR FAMILIES, WE ARE SOLUTION DRIVEN. AND SO JUST VERY GRATEFUL THAT YOU ARE ALL ARE ON BOARD WITH US, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING TOGETHER TO SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE KATIE DRAW. I CAN'T READ THIS I'M SORRY. BECAUSE OF THE D I'M GOING TO OKAY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. AFTER SEEING I DON'T THINK I'VE MET YOU. MY NAME IS KATIE DOUGLAS. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A QUICK BACKGROUND. MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED HERE 29 YEARS AGO TO WORK AT THE WOMEN'S CENTER OF MARTIN COUNTY, WORKED THERE. IT WAS AN INDEPENDENT BIRTH CENTER AND IT WENT WELL. AND I CAN SEE THE FUTURE OF ANOTHER BIRTH CENTER. THAT HEALTHY START IS WORKING HARD TO PUT TOGETHER. IN THOSE 29 YEARS, I HAVE DELIVERED 3000 BABIES IN THIS COMMUNITY. I HAVE WORKED AT ALL FOUR HOSPITALS, WITH MARTIN BEING THE ONE IN MY HEART. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ONE IN MY HEART AND I CAN ONLY SPEAK FROM MY HEART. TODAY I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF NUMBERS. YOU GUYS PRESENTED SOME VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION. I THANK YOU, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I DO WANT TO BRING UP THE DIVERSION THAT DOCTOR SINGH SPOKE ABOUT WAS THERE WASN'T A DIVERSION. THE NUMBER OF BABIES THAT WERE BORN AT MARTIN 60 A MONTH WAS A DIVERSION TO SAINT LUCIE MEDICAL CENTER, BECAUSE THERE WERE PROBLEMS IN THIS COMMUNITY, ONE WITH PHYSICIANS. I AGREE WITH THAT. WANTING TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE. THOSE PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN RESOLVED. CLEVELAND CLINIC BUILT A PRETTY STRONG OB SITUATION. THEY HAVE DOCTORS, THEY HAVE NURSES. THOSE NURSES ARE DEDICATED. THEY HAVE WHATEVER THINGS CAME OUT A FEW YEARS BACK HAVE IMPROVED. THEY PROVIDE SAFE, GOOD SERVICES. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY NURSES OR DOCTORS ARE IN THE ROOM, BUT WHEN YOU GET AN OB PATIENT IN THE ER, THE FIRST THING THEY DO, WE'RE BRINGING HER UP. THEY DON'T WANT THEM. YOU MIGHT SAY THEY'RE TRAINED, THEY'RE SCARED OF THEM. THEY DON'T WANT THEM, THEY DON'T WANT THEM. THAT IS NOT A SOLUTION. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO BRING UP IS THAT DOCTOR SINGH IS BASING HIS NUMBERS ON A OB DEPARTMENT THAT DOES 3000 TO 4000 DELIVERIES A YEAR. MARTIN. WE HEARD IT 1300 THIS PAST YEAR. PORT SAINT LUCIE, THEY HAVE SOME ISSUES RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR NUMBERS WERE. THEY'RE DOWN. TRADITION 1500 LAWNWOOD IS WHERE I WORK NOW, OUT OF THE COUNTY. I'M SORRY, BUT LONGWOOD, 1500 LONGWOOD AND TRADITION ARE CONSIDERED BUSY HOSPITALS. WE ARE GROWING. WE ARE IN A GROWING COMMUNITY, BUT WE ARE STILL A SMALL COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS A SMALL COMMUNITY. OB SERVICE. NOT TO JUPITER, NOT TO TRADITION HERE IN OUR COUNTY. FOR OUR MOTHERS TO HAVE SAFE CARE FOR OUR BABIES TO BE BORN. MY HUSBAND AND I WERE OVER HERE AT KIWANIS PARK LAST WEEKEND WITH OUR GRANDCHILDREN, AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, LOOK AROUND HERE. 
          THESE ARE THE LAST OF THE MARTIN COUNTY BABIES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SONIA BOND. ALL RIGHT, I'M SONIA BOND. I WAS BORN HERE IN MARTIN COUNTY 42 YEARS AGO, AS WERE FIVE OF MY SIBLINGS AND THREE OF MY FIVE CHILDREN. AND SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TIME TO SPEAK. I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY, JUST NOT AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN, BUT AS SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THE DEEP IMPACT THAT ACCESS TO QUALITY MATERNAL CARE HAS ON FAMILIES. AND I'M GOING TO CRY, SO BEAR WITH ME. I'M ONE OF MY EARLIEST MEMORIES AS A YOUNG CHILD WAS ACTUALLY THE BIRTH OF MY SISTER AT MARTIN NORTH, 38 YEARS AGO. IT STILL STICKS WITH ME TO THIS DAY. IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL EXPERIENCE AND AT THE AGE OF 16, I WAS RAPED AND I BECAME PREGNANT. AND KATIE DOUGLAS WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF MY MIDWIVES AT THE AGE OF 16 AT THE BIRTH CENTER. AND MY PREGNANCY DEVIATED AT THE END, AND I NEEDED TO DELIVER AT MARTIN NORTH. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. 
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AND MY NURSE WAS AN AMAZING WOMAN. HER NAME WAS KAREN. SHE ACTUALLY JUST RETIRED TWO YEARS AGO FROM THE OB UNIT THERE. AND I KNOW THAT THAT DAY I WAS JUST A YOUNG GIRL HAVING A BABY. 
          RIGHT. BUT SHE TREATED ME WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY AND A STANDARD OF CARE THAT STILL EXISTS TO THIS DAY ON THAT FLOOR. SHE CHANGED MY LIFE SO MUCH THAT I WENT ON TO BECOME A BIRTH WORKER. MY SISTER WENT ON TO BECOME A MIDWIFE. WE PRACTICE HERE LOCALLY. I'VE BEEN ATTENDING BIRTH IN THIS AREA FOR OVER 17 YEARS. I'VE ATTENDED OVER A THOUSAND BIRTHS IN THIS LOCAL AREA AND MOST OF THEM AT MARTIN NORTH. BECAUSE IT'S AN EXEMPLARY OB UNIT, ABSOLUTELY EXEMPLARY. CLEVELAND CLINIC'S DECISION TO CLOSE THE COUNTY'S ONLY LABOR AND DELIVERY UNIT IS NOT JUST A POLICY CHANGE. IT'S A LIFE ALTERING DECISION THAT PUTS THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF WOMEN AND BABIES AT RISK, AND HAS BROUGHT FEAR AND LOSS OF CHOICE INTO A ROOM WHERE NEITHER SHOULD EXIST. LABOR IS UNPREDICTABLE, AND AS WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED, IT'S IT HAPPENS FAST. RECENTLY, I ATTENDED A HOME BIRTH WITH A LICENSED CERTIFIED NURSE MIDWIFE JUST TWO MILES FROM MARTIN NORTH, AND AN EMERGENCY DID OCCUR AT 2 A.M. IT TOOK PARAMEDICS 35 MINUTES TO TRANSFER MY CLIENT THOSE TWO MILES DURING A ABSOLUTELY LIFE THREATENING HEMORRHAGE THAT WAS NOT TREATABLE WITH MEDICATION. IT NEEDED SURGICAL INTERVENTION. AND THAT IS WHY THIS MATTERS. 
          IT'S A BIG DEAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JERRY GORE. MIRACLE CHILD. YES. HI. MY NAME IS JARED GORE FOR TEN LAKE STREET. MY KIDS WERE BORN HERE AT MARTIN MARTIN MEMORIAL. BUT WHEN I GOT SICK IN 2009 AND I WENT FROM JACKSONVILLE ALL THE WAY TO MIAMI AND COULDN'T FIND A DOCTOR, AND I BECAME A DEAD END. SO THEY SENT ME DOWN TO CLEVELAND CLINIC, WHICH IS IN WESTON. SINCE THEN. THAT'S IN 2009. I HAD A COMPLETE COLON REMOVED DOWN AT CLEVELAND, AND I GOT SICK AND CAME HERE TO MARTIN, AND THEY STABILIZED ME. AND THEN THEY TRANSPORTED ME BACK DOWN TO WESTON TO FIX THE PROBLEM. I HAD A LIVER IN A TRANSPLANT DONE BY WESTON AT CLEVELAND CLINIC, AND WHEN I HAD PROBLEMS WITH THAT, I WOULD COME TO MARTIN. YET STILL AGAIN, I HAD TO BE TRANSPORTED ALL THE WAY BACK DOWN THERE TO WESTON. I HAD INSTRUCTION IN MY BLADDER, AND WE ARE. I JUST PASSED THAT TEST. WE ARE FREE OF THAT NOW. AND IF IT WASN'T FOR WESTON, MY KIDS THAT WAS BORN IN MARTIN WOULD NOT HAVE A FATHER, AND MY WIFE WOULD NOT HAVE A HUSBAND. 
          SO I THANK MY BABY. DAYS IS OVER WITH AND I THANK SOME OF MY KIDS. BABY DAYS ARE OVER WITH, BUT I WANT TO THANK CLEVELAND CLINIC. IF IT WASN'T FOR THEM, I WOULDN'T BE STANDING BEFORE YOU TODAY AND ALL. IF I DONE ANY GREAT WORK IN THIS COMMUNITY AT ALL. I GIVE THANKS TO CLEVELAND CLINIC BECAUSE THEY KEPT ME HERE AND I'M A PASTOR HERE ALSO. SO IF I TOUCH ANYBODY LIFE AND I HAVE A FOOD BANK HERE. SO WE HAVE QUITE A BIT GOING ON HERE BECAUSE OF CLEVELAND CLINIC GIVING ME ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY BESIDES GOD. BUT CLEVELAND CLINIC WAS IN THE MIX, AND THE MOST OF MY DOCTORS HERE, A LOT OF THEM DON'T RETIRED OR THEY PASSED ON ALREADY. AND CLEVELAND CLINIC KEEPS BRINGING NEW DOCTORS. SO I GIVE THEM A CHANCE TOO. SO I WANT TO THANK CLEVELAND TONIGHT FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE FOR ME AND MY FAMILY. THANK YOU. CORY WEINER. PARDON ME. THAT'S OKAY. JUST VERY QUICKLY. COULD YOU JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF? MY NAME IS CORY WEINER. I LIVE IN UNINCORPORATED MARTIN COUNTY OVER BY MARINER SANDS. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR FIVE YEARS. I KNOW A LOT ABOUT POLITICAL ECONOMICS. AS IT PERTAINS TO, LIKE SOMEONE MENTIONED, CLEVELAND CLINIC. I'M FROM BROWARD COUNTY ORIGINALLY. WHEN YOU WANT CERTAIN TREATMENTS, YOU DO HAVE TO GO TO WESTIN BONAVENTURE. THAT'S THE ORIGINAL CLEVELAND CLINIC. WHILE EVERYBODY HAS A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT PROCREATION AND HOW 
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THEY'RE CHILDREN WERE BORN IN MARTIN COUNTY, YOU GUYS SHOULD JUST TRY TO UNDERSTAND AND GIVE THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS A BREAK, BECAUSE IF YOU WERE IN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY OR BROWARD, YOU WOULD FIND THAT THE RESOURCES FOR MATERNITY CARE, MEANING THE FOLLOW UPS LIKE THE 5 OR 6 APPOINTMENTS YOU HAVE UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY GIVE THE BIRTH AND THE FOLLOW UPS ARE WAY BACKLOGGED, AND MARTIN COUNTY DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB AS BEST AS IT CAN BECAUSE OUR POPULATION ISN'T SO BIG, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. IT'S A BLESSING POLITICAL, ECONOMIC WISE AND TAX BASE WISE. JUST THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BRING IN A HUGE FACILITY OF THE CLEVELAND CLINIC. SO PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT. EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO TO JUPITER OR TO THE NEXT CLOSEST FACILITY FOR MATERNITY CARE. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANDREA BARRY IS THE LAST ONE. THIS IS THE LAST ONE, MADAM CLERK, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. HI, I'M ANDREA BARRY. I LIVE IN JENSEN BEACH. SO NICE OF YOU GUYS TO HEAR THIS TODAY. AND, DOCTOR SINGH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY TO HEAR ALL THIS STUFF BECAUSE IT'S REAL. I WANT TO COMMENT REALLY QUICK TO WHAT EVERYONE WAS THINKING WHEN THAT GENTLEMAN SAID, THIS IS THIS IS NOT MIAMI. AND WE KEEP IT THAT WAY FOR A REASON. SO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. AND LET ME JUST BE CLEAR BEFORE I START MY COMMENTS. THERE'S A REASON WHY MARTIN COUNTY IS DIFFERENT. I AM THE CEO OF FAMILY EMPOWERMENT PROJECT. I'M A MOMMY OF TWO BOYS THAT WERE BORN RIGHT HERE IN MARTIN COUNTY, AND A WIFE TO A FIREFIGHTER, AND WHO DOES EMS. AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO JUST ASK BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN BATTED AROUND A LOT ABOUT WHAT WOULD IT ACTUALLY TAKE TO KEEP LABOR AND DELIVERY OPEN? I WOULD I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD TAKE SO THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY COULD HELP TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN IF WE COULD SEE THE METRIC IN WRITING. SO WE KNOW AND WE COULD WORK TOWARDS IT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE SO HELPFUL. COULD YOU PLEASE ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, NOT THE AUDIENCE? I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A METRIC AND THAT THAT SHOWS WHAT WE COULD DO TO WHAT EXACTLY IT WOULD TAKE TO KEEP THAT. AND THE OTHER THING IS, I WORKED AS THE CEO OF INDIAN RIVER COUNTY HEALTHY START FOR SEVEN YEARS, AND WE HAVE A HOSPITAL DISTRICT UP THERE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS I WAS THINKING OF BECAUSE THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT WOULD GIVE YOU GUYS THE CLOUT AND THE LEVERAGE TO BE ABLE TO, UNFORTUNATELY, TAKE TAX DOLLARS, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO KEEP THE QUALITY OF CARE. AND WE DO SEE CLEVELAND CLINIC KIND OF SHRINKING ITS ITS SERVICES. IT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          AND THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS IT'S A BIG REQUEST FOR CLEVELAND CLINIC TO SHOW ITS VALUE, IS THAT THEY LIST ON THEIR WEBSITE AND KEEP LABOR AND DELIVERY OPEN IN MARTIN COUNTY. 
          THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM. I'M ALL SET. MAYOR, WE HAVE NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU, DOCTOR SINGH, FOR SITTING THROUGH THE CONCERNS OF THOSE WHO BOTHERED TO SHOW UP AND SHARE THEIR CONCERNS WITH YOU, SO THERE'S A LOT TO TALK ABOUT. THERE'S NOT AN EASY SOLUTION. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO SOMETHING A GREAT DEAL MORE PLEASANT. AND I'M GLAD I'M SITTING HERE AND ABLE TO DO THIS BECAUSE I ACTUALLY GOT HAS HAVE WE EVER RECOGNIZED THIS MUCH VOLUNTEER SERVICE IN THE CITY BEFORE? MR. NOT EVEN CLOSE. AND I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER DO IT AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS IS WE'RE PROVIDING RECOGNITION FOR SOMEONE WHO SERVED ON A VOLUNTEER BOARD FOR 40 YEARS. AND WHY I'M HAPPY I'M ABLE TO DO THIS IS BECAUSE THIS WAS THE FIRST VOLUNTEER BOARD ON THE CITY I SAT ON, AND HE HAD BEEN THERE, I THINK, BILL, THIS WAS EIGHT YEARS AGO. I GOT ON THE LPA WITH YOU, AND I THINK I SAT DIRECTLY TO YOUR RIGHT, WHICH WAS GOOD FOR ME BECAUSE HE REALLY KNEW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. HE HAD ALL THAT EXPERIENCE AND HE WAS NEVER RELUCTANT TO LET ME KNOW. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. SO HIS EXPERIENCE, HIS INSIGHT AND HIS GENUINE CONCERN THAT THE CITY PROSPER IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY AND AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND WAY, WE HAVE ALL BEEN THE BENEFICIARY OF THAT EXPERIENCE. AND JUST LET ME SEE HERE. I HAVE MAKE SURE I MENTION EVERYTHING, MR. MATHERS, AND IT IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN HIM IN A COAT AND TIE. 
          YEAH. HIS EXPERTISE AS AN ENGINEER HAS PROVIDED INVALUABLE INSIGHTS AND GUIDANCE THROUGHOUT 
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THE YEARS, MAKING A LASTING IMPACT. THAT'S SO TRUE ON COUNTLESS PROJECTS. WE ARE ALL IN YOUR DEBT AND GRATEFUL FOR YOUR EXCEPTIONAL CONTRIBUTIONS AND TIRELESS DEDICATION TO THE CITY OF STUART. MR. WILLIAM MATHERS 40 YEARS OF. YOU WERE NEVER THAT LOQUACIOUS, BILL, BUT PERHAPS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME REMARKS. I'LL MAKE A FEW. USUALLY I FIND IT'S BETTER TO SAY LESS THAN MORE. YEAH. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY WIFE AND MY DAUGHTER BACK HERE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM. THAT'S WHY I'M DRESSED THE WAY I AM. OKAY? THAT'S WHY I MADE ALL THOSE MEETINGS MANY YEARS AGO IS BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, BOTH SUPPORTED ME EVEN WHEN MY DAUGHTER WAS MUCH YOUNGER. OKAY. THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT I PROBABLY LEARNED MORE THAN YOU CAN EXPECT BY SITTING ON THE BOARD. NOW, I WAS WELL, I WAS BORN HERE IN STUART. ALL RIGHT. DOCTOR PARKER DELIVERED ME. MY AUNT WAS HIS NURSE. OKAY. 
          I GRADUATED FROM MARTIN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL. THAT WAS DOWN ON EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD. AND WE ACTUALLY IN MY LAST YEAR, WE MOVED OUT TO. CANDOR. BUT I REALIZED SEVERAL THINGS. ONE, STAFFS THAT THE CITY HAS, THEY WORK OVER TIME. THEY'RE USUALLY SHORT HANDED. AND NOW THE DAY OF THE COMPUTER THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BACK THEN, OKAY, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER. BUT STAFFS HAVE ALWAYS SUPPORTED ALL THE BOARDS. IT'S A RELENTLESS JOB. IT'S A LOT OF PAPERWORK. SO I THINK THEY DO. THEY HAVE AS MUC, I'D SAY GRATITUDE THAT WE SHOULD GIVE THEM IS THE STAFF. SO. SO BUT IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE WORKING ON THE BOARDS. SOME OF YOU I KNOW, A FEW OF YOU I DON'T KNOW, OF COURSE, THE ONES THAT KNOW ME. PLEASE DON'T TALK TO THE ONES THAT DON'T. OKAY. RICH IS RIGHT. SOMETIMES UP ON THE BOARD IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. BUT THIS COMMISSIONERS, THERE'S YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WINKING BETWEEN EACH OTHER. I REMEMBER SITTING ON THE BOARDS, SOME OF THE PEOPLE WE'VE HAD SAID ON THE LPA AND THE PNC BOARD IN THE PAST YEARS WERE VERY DEDICATED CITIZENS. BUT I REMEMBER GETTING A LITTLE BIT TEASED SOMETIMES BECAUSE IF I'D GO TO ASK A QUESTION, IF IT WAS GETTING LATE IN THE BASKETBALL GAME WAS ON, SOME OF THE GUYS WERE, YOU KNOW, SPORTSMEN. THEY WANTED TO GET HOME. SO SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT OF PRESSURE ON YOU. 
          OKAY. DON'T, YOU KNOW, LISTEN TO AN ANSWER, ASK YOUR QUESTION, BUT DON'T DELAY IT OKAY. SO I CAN'T SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY AN HONOR FOR YOU GUYS TO DO THIS. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF BOARDS. THERE'S A LOT OF MEN AND WOMEN THAT HAVE BEEN SERVING ON THE COMMISSION. GOOD CITIZENS. 
          AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO SIT UP THERE TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT PEOPLE'S LIVES. BOTH THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF STUART AND THE CITIZENS BEFORE YOU. I FOUND THAT WAS VERY DIFFICULT AT MANY TIMES, ESPECIALLY IN THE PAST. EARLY YEARS, CHANGES AFFECTED NEIGHBORHOODS. OKAY, SO I BECAME A MUCH BETTER PERSON LOOKING AT MORE THAN ONE SIDE SO THAT I COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M DOING. AND AS AN ENGINEER, MANY THINGS WE DO, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE OR WE CAN NOT ACCOMMODATE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT. OKAY, SO IT'S VERY MUCH APPRECIATIVE HONOR I HAD. AND THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY, BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY'S HERE FOR SOMETHING ELSE, I APOLOGIZE. OKAY. SO BUT I WENT BACK AND TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WHEN DID I FIRST COME ON THE BOARD PLANNING, ZONING BOARD. 
          AND WHAT I FOUND WAS, WELL, I THINK EVERYBODY REMEMBERS CHARLIE FOSTER. YES, SIR. OKAY. 
          CHARLIE SERVED ON THE BOARDS, I THINK FROM 68 TO 2004. WELL, IN 1977, THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS CAME INTO BEING BEFORE THEY WERE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT. THE FIRST THING THEY 
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DID IS THEY BEGAN TO ASSESS ALL MUNICIPALITIES, THEIR WATER USE, AND IN 77, CHARLIE CAME TO ME AND HE ASKED ME IF I COULD GIVE HIM SOME HELP BECAUSE HE FOUND SOME FLAWS IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT HE WANTED ME TO LOOK AT. SO I TOLD HIM I'D BE GLAD TO. SO THAT WAS THE END OF 77. SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT. AND CHARLIE WAS RIGHT. THERE WAS A FLAW IN THE NUMERICAL NUMBERS, AND THE CITY OF STUART WAS LOOKING AT A DAILY GALLONS OF ABOUT 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. OKAY. CHARLIE FOUND THAT WAS ABOUT $1 MILLION MILLION GALLONS OFF. THERE WAS OVER 3 MILLION. OKAY, SO I WORKED WITH CHARLIE. WE SET WITH THE SOUTH FLORIDA. WE SPENT SOME TIME, THEY REEVALUATED. AND CHARLIE HIMSELF, BY HIS EFFORTS, GOT THAT EXTRA MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. AND THAT WAS PUSHING THE LIMIT AT THE TIME BECAUSE WE WERE CLOSING IN ON ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, MANY GALLONS PER DAY. 
          SO CHARLIE DID A GREAT JOB SOMETIME AFTER THAT, I THINK HE TOLD ME IT WAS IF I HAD SERVED ON THE BOARD, THERE WAS A GREAT RETIREMENT PLAN AND EVERYTHING. AND, YOU KNOW, I COULD DO SOME GOOD BECAUSE WE WERE GOING INTO THE DEEP WELL AND SO FORTH AND NEW WATER PLANTS AND STUFF. SO BUT HE PUT ME THERE. I HE WAS THERE UNTIL 2004. I PROBABLY SPENT THOSE FIRST 20 YEARS BECAUSE CHARLIE KEPT ME ON IT. AFTER THAT. I'M SURE IT WAS COMMISSIONERS POSSIBLY HERE AND THOSE IN THE PAST THAT DECIDED TO KEEP ME THERE, OR THEY FORGOT I WAS THERE AND THEY JUST LEFT. 
          OKAY. BUT AGAIN, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH. THIS IS UNUSUAL. IT'S REALLY SOMETHING. AND ESPECIALLY IN FRONT OF MY WIFE AND DAUGHTER, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE EVER BEEN ONE OF MY MEETINGS. 
          OKAY. WHAT? THEY'VE DRESSED ME. THEY DRESSED ME FOR ALL OF THEM. OKAY. SO I APPRECIATE IT. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. SO I WOULD ASK THANK YOU. ALL OF US ON THE DAIS COME DOWN PLEASE. 
          AND BILL. HEY, HEY, COME BACK HERE. BILL, WE CAN TAKE A PICTURE AND BRING THE FAMILY. 
          COME ON. FAMILY PICTURE TIME. I FORGOT SOMETHING AGAIN. MR. MARTELL, YOU SAID IN YOUR BILL. 
          I WAS GOING TO. 40 YEARS. HE GETS EVERYBODY. MR. CLA I SAID TIME. YOU GUYS WANT TO. 
          KNOW? SO YOU REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ALL THESE MEETINGS? THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I DIDN'T PUT MY GLASSES ON I. OKAY. NOW, ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          WE'RE ALL READY TO GO. IT'S NOT MY FAULT. YEAH. NEVER AGAIN. I DON'T THINK EVER AGAIN. DO YOU THINK MR. MORTAL 40 YEARS IS A LONG TIME? YEAH. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE TERM LIMITS OF EIGHT. NOW WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY THE RELATIVELY NEW DIRECTOR OF THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD OF MARTIN COUNTY. SO I'LL LET YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. GREAT TO SEE YOU ALL. HOPE YOU'RE DOING WELL TODAY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. FIRST OF ALL, TO GIVE THIS ANNUAL UPDATE. I APPRECIATE IT. AND I'VE GOT A COUPLE DOZEN SLIDES TO SHARE, BUT I PROMISE I'LL BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE AND RESPECTFUL OF TIME TODAY. SO LET'S GET RIGHT TO IT. SO THIS FIRST SLIDE SUMMARIZES WHAT WE AS PROFESSIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPERS STRIVE TO ACCOMPLISH IN PARTNERSHIP WITH AND ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE SERVE. WE'RE COMMITTED TO SUPPORTING RETENTION, EXPANSION OF EXISTING LOCAL BUSINESSES. WE'RE COMMITTED TO PRIORITIZING HIGH WAGE JOB CREATION, AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO STRENGTHENING THE LOCAL BUSINESS CLIMATE. AND HERE'S AN IMPORTANT STATISTIC THAT I LOVE TO CITE. PER THE INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL, WHICH IS OUR ASSOCIATION, EXISTING BUSINESSES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR 
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UP TO 80% OF NET NEW LOCAL EMPLOYMENT. AND THIS REALLY ILLUSTRATES THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND ENTREPRENEURS, LARGE, MEDIUM AND SMALL. AND WHILE WE FOCUS MOST OF OUR TIME AND EFFORTS ON EXISTING BUSINESSES, AS OPPOSED TO ATTRACTION AND RECRUITMENT EFFORTS, SO THE BTB OCCUPIES AN IMPORTANT SPACE BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTORS. 
          WE'RE UNDER THE FLORIDA SUNSHINE LAW IN MOST CASES, BUT UNDER SECTION TWO, 88.075 OF THE STATUTES, WE ARE ALLOWED TO KEEP SPECIFIC COMPANY INFORMATION CONFIDENTIAL. EXCUSE ME DURING ATTRACTION AND RECRUITMENT OF COMPANIES TO THE CITY OF STUART, MARTIN COUNTY VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN WHEN DISCUSSING NEGOTIATION OF POTENTIAL ECONOMIC INCENTIVES. SO KEY RESPONSIBILITIES. THE BDB HAS SEVERAL WHICH ARE ILLUSTRATED ON THIS SLIDE. NUMBER ONE, WE PROMOTE MARTIN COUNTY AS AN IDEAL PLACE TO DO BUSINESS. WE ACT AS A PRIMARY LIAISON BETWEEN THE COUNTY, CITY OF STUART, VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN, AND FLORIDA COMMERCE. WE'RE THE SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT WHEN WE GET THOSE PROSPECT LEADS FROM THE STATE TO HELP DELIVER SERVICES TO THEM, WE ALSO EXIST. EXCUSE ME, ASSIST EXISTING COMPANIES WITH EXPANSION AND RETENTION EFFORTS, ESPECIALLY CONTRIBUTORY BUSINESSES, WHICH I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT IN JUST THE NEXT SLIDE. WE ASSIST THE COUNTY CITY VILLAGE WITH COORDINATING INCENTIVE PROGRAMS TO ATTRACT NEW COMPANIES AND ALSO PROVIDE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES TO THE MARTIN COUNTY INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. AS AN ASIDE, THEY ISSUE TAX EXEMPT BONDS THAT LOWER INTEREST RATES, LOWER BORROWING RATES FOR CERTAIN ELIGIBLE PROJECTS, SUCH AS INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING PLANTS, WAREHOUSING OR DISTRIBUTION FACILITIES, COMPANY HEADQUARTERS, OR EVEN A PARKING DECK IN AN URBAN DOWNTOWN AREA LIKE THE CITY OF STUART, FOR EXAMPLE, CONTRIBUTORY BUSINESSES. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, BASICALLY THESE ARE BUSINESSES THAT BRING IN NEW MONEY FROM OUTSIDE OF THE LOCAL ECONOMY INTO THE ECONOMY. EXAMPLES INCLUDE BOAT MANUFACTURING OR AVIATION RELATED MANUFACTURING, SUCH AS, FOR EXAMPLE, PURSUIT AEROSPACE, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE CITY OF STUART. OFF COMMERCE. THEY MANUFACTURE COMPLEX AIRCRAFT ENGINE COMPONENTS, BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED THE IMPORTANCE OF EXISTING INDUSTRY TO THE SUCCESS OF THE LOCAL ECONOMY, AND THIS SLIDE TALKS MORE ABOUT THAT B R E OR BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION. IT'S A CORE ACTIVITY IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISCIPLINE. AND AT THE BTB WE'VE BRANDED IT AS WHAT WE CALL OUR PULSE PROGRAM, WHEREBY WE PROACTIVELY REACH OUT, ENGAGE, COMMUNICATE WITH BUSINESSES TO CHECK ON ESSENTIALLY THEIR PULSE, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY ARE DOING, ANY PAIN POINTS, WHAT DO THEY NEED, YOU KNOW, CONNECTING TO IN TERMS OF RESOURCES LIKE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND ACCESS TO CAPITAL. AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE PROGRAM'S GOALS. AND BASICALLY THAT HELPS US IDENTIFY TRENDS AND HELP US WITH NEW PROGRAMING. FOR EXAMPLE, OUR MANUFACTURERS ROUND TABLE PROGRAM WAS BORN OUT OF THE PULSE PROGRAM, WHEREBY WE REALIZED THAT COMPANIES, PARTICULARLY MANUFACTURERS, WANTED TO INTERFACE WITH AND THEY NEEDED A MEDIUM TO DO THAT. AND WE HELPED TO PROVIDE THAT WITH OUR MANUFACTURERS ROUNDTABLE, WHICH WE DO QUARTERLY POST PROGRAM HIGHLIGHTS FROM FY 2024. THE IMPORTANT STAT IN THIS SLIDE, I'D LIKE TO POINT YOUR ATTENTION TO IS THE THIRD ROW. AND FOLLOW UP AND BUSINESS ASSISTANCE TASKS THAT ARE THOSE THINGS ARE ITEMS RESULTING FROM THE INITIAL VISIT. SO THESE ARE CONNECTIONS TO THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE OR ACCESS TO CAPITAL THAT I SPOKE ABOUT ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. AND FIVE OF THESE VISITS ACTUALLY RESULTED IN BIGGER, MORE OFFICIAL PROJECTS, LIKE A COMPANY THAT WE DISCOVERED IS RUNNING OUT OF PHYSICAL SPACE, THE DESIRE TO EXPAND. BUT OF COURSE, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE'D ASSIST WITH THE GOAL OF HELPING THEM EXPAND SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY CURRENTLY ARE, WHETHER THAT BE THE CITY OF STUART, VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN, AND OF COURSE, MARTIN COUNTY. 
          THIS SLIDE, THIS NEXT SLIDE HERE KIND OF SUMMARIZES OUR COMPANY VISITS BY BY INDUSTRY AS WELL AS BY GEOGRAPHIC AREA. AND WHEN IT COMES TO OUR RESPONSIBILITIES OF BUSINESS RETENTION AND ATTRACTION, WE'RE ALMOST PERFECTLY ALIGNED WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES THAT ARE LISTED IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WE'RE ESPECIALLY ENCOURAGED TO SEE THE BDB SPECIFICALLY LISTED AMONG YOUR ECONOMIC PARTNERS. SO OUR GOALS REALLY DO ALIGN PERFECTLY. SO WE APPRECIATE THAT THAT SUPPORT THIS NEXT SLIDE BREAKS DOWN THE COMPANIES WE'VE VISITED BY YEARS IN BUSINESS, YEARS IN MARTIN COUNTY AND NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REACH A NICE VARIETY OF COMPANIES ACROSS THE SPECTRUM, INCLUDING OUR VERY IMPORTANT SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY, WHICH WE SPENT MOST OF OUR TIME WITH. THAT 44% OF COMPANIES WITH LESS THAN TEN EMPLOYEES. THIS SLIDE SUMMARIZES THE RECENT TRENDS AND IN TERMS OF OPINIONS WE'VE BEEN HEARING FROM THE BUSINESS 
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COMMUNITY AS WE ENGAGE AND SPEAK WITH THEM. NOTABLY, BUREAUCRACY HAS MOVED DOWN THE LIST OF TOP BUSINESS CHALLENGES, AND LOGISTICS HAS MOVED UP ON THE LIST IN TERMS OF AREA ADVANTAGES ALONG WITH THAT SMALL TOWN FEEL. SO KUDOS TO YOU ALL TO YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THOSE AREAS, YOU KNOW, AND KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK, BECAUSE THE CITY OF STUART IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT MANY CONSIDER THE QUALITY OF PLACE, QUALITY OF LIFE, THAT CONTINUES TO BE A SIGNIFICANT DRIVING FACTOR IN BUSINESS DECISIONS IN TERMS OF LOCATION, ALONG WITH THE OTHER MORE QUANTITATIVE FACTORS SUCH AS COST OF DOING BUSINESS, ETC. WHERE ARE WE HEADED? I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WHAT I CALL BOARD DEVELOPMENT IN MY FIRST 3 OR 4 MONTHS HERE IN TERMS OF REFINING, HAVING OUR BOARD, WORKING WITH THEM, ENGAGING THEM TO REFINE THE VISION AND MISSION. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE VISION HERE IS TO FOSTER A STRONG MARTIN COUNTY ECONOMY CHARACTERIZED BY A DIVERSITY OF BUSINESSES WITH A GROWING AND SUSTAINABLE TAX BASE, AND THEY JUST EDITED AND UPDATED THAT LAST MONTH. SO VERY YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF WORKSHOPS THAT WE WENT THROUGH. 
          AND SO I APPRECIATE THE BOARD'S SUPPORT IN THAT. THE MISSION, OF COURSE, IS TO LEAD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BY SUPPORTING LOCAL CONTRIBUTORY BUSINESSES, ATTRACTING INVESTMENT AND FOSTERING JOB CREATION, BUSINESS ATTRACTION, IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING INDUSTRY SIDE OF THINGS. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE ATTRACTION AND RECRUITMENT SIDE OF THE BUSINESS WHERE, SIMILARLY TO THE RETENTION AND EXPANSION OF EXISTING BUSINESSES, WE STRIVE TO BRING BUSINESSES INTO THE COMMUNITY FROM OUR TARGETED INDUSTRIES WITH THE GOAL OF CONTINUING TO BUILD THE TAX BASE VIA CORPORATE INVESTMENT WITH THE INTENDED, NOT THE UNINTENDED, BUT THE INTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF CAPTURING ADDITIONAL REVENUES SO THAT YOU ALL ARE ELECTED LEADERS, YOU KNOW, DON'T HAVE TO FIND THE NEED TO RESORT TO RAISING THE TAX RATE, FOR EXAMPLE. SO THIS IS ALL GOING INTO BUILDING OUR TAX BASE AND INCREASING REVENUE TO HELP THE COMMUNITY. ANOTHER SOME EXAMPLES OF RECENT BUSINESS ATTRACTION RECRUITMENT EFFORTS. 
          THIS FIRST ONE IS IN THE COUNTY. THE SECOND ONE IS IN JENSEN BEACH. THE THIRD IS IN THE CITY OF STUART RIGHT HERE. POWER SYSTEMS MANUFACTURING. THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE TANGIBLE PERSONAL PROPERTY EXEMPTION, AS WELL AS ONE OF THE INCENTIVES THAT HELPED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. THEY ORIGINALLY FOUND IT IN MARTIN COUNTY AND MOVED OUT. WE DID HELP THEM TO RELOCATE INTO 180 500 ZERO SQUARE FEET AT THE SOUTH FLORIDA GATEWAY OFF KANNER HIGHWAY, AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BRING MORE THAN 100 HIGH WAGE JOBS AT REALLY GREAT AVERAGE SALARY OF 74,000. AND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TAX BASE. AND I DIDN'T MENTION THIS BEFORE, BUT THE TAX BASE AND BUILDING THAT UP, THAT IN TURN CAN HELP INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES RAISE THEIR, YOU KNOW, MEDIAN INCOMES AND IN TURN CONTRIBUTE BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY. IT'S A CYCLICAL POSITIVE PROCESS THAT WE TRY TO ENGAGE OURSELVES IN. THE SECOND EXAMPLE IS IAM GROUP. IT'S AN ITALIAN MANUFACTURER OF PAINTS AND COATINGS. THIS IS IN JENSEN BEACH. THEY WE HELP THEM MOVE. 
          THEY GREW AND TRIPLED THEIR SPACE WITHIN ONE YEAR AND ARE VERY ACTIVELY ENGAGED WITH THE B2B IN TERMS OF OUR PROGRAMING. AND FINALLY, BRIAN HOWARD, OF COURSE, REHABBING THAT 20 500 ZERO SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, THE OLD YMCA RINK, AS I'M TOLD THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A SECOND FACILITY OUT IN INDIAN TOWN THAT WOULD BE 100 000 PLUS SQUARE FEET, 80 NEW JOBS, $90 MILLION OF TOTAL CAPITAL INVESTMENT. SO REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THESE RECENT DEVELOPMENTS AND ARE WORKING WITH COMPANIES, OTHER COMPANIES TO DO THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES. THIS SLIDE, AS WELL AS THE FINAL SECTION OF THE PRESENTATION, IDENTIFIES AND DISCUSSES POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES AS WE SEE THINGS FROM THE BDB'S POINT OF VIEW AS HOW WE COULD POSSIBLY CONTINUE TO COLLABORATE AND PARTNER WITH YOU ALL AT THE CITY OF STUART. GREAT NEWS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, FIVE, TEN YEARS AGO WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CURRENT SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN. NOW. WE HAVE MILLIONS OF SQUARE FEET IN THE PIPELINE, AND WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO PUT COMPANIES THAT ARE EXPANDING AND GROWING AND THAT HAVE COME INTO THE INTO THE MARKET. THE ECONOMIC TOOLKIT, AGAIN, I MENTIONED THE TANGIBLE PERSONAL PROPERTY EXEMPTION THAT VOTERS PASSED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. WE ARE USING THAT AS AN INCENTIVE TO ATTRACT COMPANIES TO THE AREA. 
          WE ALSO HAVE AN INCREASED FOCUS ON CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN THIS TOOLKIT, AND I'M WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON DEVELOPING A TOOLKIT THAT WILL CONTINUE TO PUT OUR INCENTIVES FRONT AND FOREMOST. ACCESS TO CAPITAL LOAN FUND. THIS IS A YOU KNOW, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON THIS AS WELL, BUT THERE COULD BE A MORE CITY OF STUART FOCUSED APPLICATION TO THIS PROGRAM FOR SMALL BUSINESSES WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS AS WELL WITH CITY LEADERSHIP IN TERMS OF POTENTIALLY DOING SOMETHING ON A SIMILAR LEVEL WITH VARYING ORGANIZATIONS. SO WE'RE REALLY KIND OF TRYING TO HONE IN ON THE 
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SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THE ENTREPRENEUR COMMUNITY, AND HOW WE CAN HELP FILL THE GAPS AS IT RELATES TO CAPITAL OR, YOU KNOW, DOWN PAYMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AS IT PERTAINS TO LOANS, STRATEGIC ECONOMIC AREAS. THIS SLIDE GIVES AN OVERVIEW OF OUR AREAS OF FOCUS AND INCLUDES THE ENTIRE COUNTY, OF COURSE, BUT ALSO ILLUSTRATES AREAS THAT WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO IN THE CITY OF STUART, INCLUDING THE DOWNTOWN CORE AND SOUTH. YOU SEE NUMBERS ONE, TWO, THREE, WHICH HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS THE INNOVATION HUB IN, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS RECENT STUDY, THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA IDENTIFIED FOR THE STUDY DOES ENCOMPASS A PORTION OF THE CITY OF STUART BETWEEN FEDERAL HIGHWAY AND DIXIE HIGHWAY, GENERALLY SPEAKING, FROM INDIAN STREET DOWN TO THE SOUTHERN CITY LIMITS, RIGHT AROUND WHERE THE MASON MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS. THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, AS I MENTIONED, AS WE SEE IT, TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF THE PROPOSED INFRASTRUCTURE AND ESTHETIC IMPROVEMENTS TO ATTRACT ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT IN THIS AREA, INNOVATIVE COMPANIES TO THAT AREA, WITH THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF AGAIN BUILDING UP THE TAX BASE, INCREASING THE VALUE OF THE TAXABLE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND REVENUES DERIVED FROM THEREIN. HERE'S AN IMAGE OF THE INNOVATION HUB AS PRESENTED OVERLAID WITH THE CITY OF STUART BOUNDARY, WHICH IS IN RED ALONG WITH THE CRA BOUNDARIES AND OTHER POINTS OF INTEREST. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF, CRA STAFF HERE AT THE CITY OF STUART TO POTENTIALLY CAPTURE OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, FOR GROWTH AS IT RELATES TO YOU ALL AND THE CITY OF STUART. AND HERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE OF THE INNOVATION HUB THAT YOU MAY REMEMBER, TAKEN FROM THE STUDY THAT WAS COMPLETED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. A LOT OF A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR REDEVELOPMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, BUILDING UP THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN AND AROUND THIS AREA. AND FINALLY, THESE LAST SEVERAL SLIDES, THEY OFFER A SUMMARY OF THE INDUSTRIAL INVENTORY IN THE CITY OF STUART. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CITY DOES HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INVENTORY AS A PROPORTION OF THE COUNTY, ALTHOUGH IT IS ON THE SMALLER END IN TERMS OF BUILDING SIZE AS COMPARED TO, SAY, THE NEWER, YOU KNOW, 500,000 MILLION SQUARE FEET BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE IN THE COUNTY. BUT ON THE BRIGHT SIDE, I WILL SAY THERE ARE PLENTY OF COMPANIES AND BUSINESSES WHOSE NEEDS DO FIT THOSE SPACE OPTIONS. MOST OF THE CITY OF STUART'S INDUSTRIAL INVENTORY IS USED FOR WAREHOUSING AND LOGISTICS, INCLUDING WHOLESALERS AS WELL AS MANUFACTURERS. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS SLIDE HERE. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT BULLET POINT ON THIS SECOND TO LAST SLIDE HERE IS THE ABSORPTION RATE OF TENANTS LEASING INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY. AND THAT IS PICKED UP WHICH DOES INDICATE AN INCREASING DEMAND IN DEMAND, AS I SEE IT IN THE CITY OF STUART. AND YOU'RE SEEING THIS ACROSS THE COUNTY. AND THAT IS DEFINITELY A GOOD THING. LET'S SEE, THE THIRD BULLET POINT ON HERE IS MOST IMPORTANT FOR THIS SLIDE. IT'S THE REASON WHY WE SEE THIS AREA OF THE CITY AS SUCH A GREAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY, IN MY OPINION. AND FINALLY, HERE'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE MAIN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE STATISTICS IN THE CITY OF STUART. AND VACANCY RATES AND CRA FUNDAMENTALS FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW ARE ARE PRETTY HEALTHY LOOKING. SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AT THE COMMISSION, WORKING WITH YOUR VACANCY RATES. THOSE ARE THE VACANCY RATES. YES. YES, SIR. WOW. YEAH. SO IT'S THINGS HAVE PICKED UP FROM SEVERAL YEARS AGO. AND IT'S A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SO MUCH YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION AND YOU KNOW, SPECULATIVE YOU KNOW COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING. SO THIS IS A SECTOR THAT IS DEFINITELY ONE TO, TO LATCH ON TO AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. SO WITH THAT THAT'S MY PRESENTATION. LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL. LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH STAFF AND PARTNERING TO BUILD EVERYTHING UP. THANK YOU, MR. CORBYN. THANK YOU. ENTHUSIASTIC PRESENTATION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS FOR MR. CORBYN? WHEN YOU COME WITH YOUR DURING BUDGET TIME, HE'S HERE TODAY. SAY WHAT? IT'S ON THE CONSENT. BUT ARE YOU OKAY? BUT ARE YOU GOING TO COME WITH MORE THAN WHAT IS ON THE CONSENT FOR TODAY? I THINK THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS THUS FAR. OKAY, SO MR. CORBYN, YOU ACTUALLY. YES, SIR. 
          YOU YOU GOT HERE VERY RECENTLY, RIGHT? YOU ARRIVED TWO WEEKS BEFORE MILTON. SO QUITE A EXPERIENCE, I GUESS. MY WIFE'S FROM DELRAY AND SHE WAS LIKE, WE NEVER GET THIS. SO YEAH, WHAT A WELCOME. RIGHT? BUT I'M STILL HERE, SO. NO, I MET WITH YOU A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM. AND THERE'S TERRIFIC OPPORTUNITY IN THE COUNTY AND THIS AREA. I YOU SAID SOMETHING RIGHT AT THE END THAT STRUCK ME BECAUSE I ATTENDED A MEETING OF THE TREASURE COAST COUNCIL OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. AND YOUR EQUIVALENT IN SAINT LUCIE COUNTY WAS THERE. 
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AND HE SAID THEIR GREATEST NEED BY FAR WAS 3 TO 10, ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT INDUSTRIAL SPACES. SO YOU SEEM TO INDICATE THAT THAT'S I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR ABOUT THE BIG RIGHT. THE BIG, YOU KNOW, 185,000FT■!S LEASES. BUT U KNOW, YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT THE SMALLER ACTIVITY THAT REALLY DOES DRIVE THE ECONOMY, WHICH IS WHY I MENTIONED THAT SMALL BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESSES, EXISTING INDUSTRY, 80% OF NET NEW LOCAL GROWTH, ETC, SO AND SO I'VE ASKED WHAT OPPORTUNITIES YOU CAN PROVIDE OUR COMMUNITY. SO DO YOU WORK. THE MOST OBVIOUS EXAMPLE WOULD BE PROJECT LIFT. DO YOU WORK WITH THEM AND HELPING THOSE GRADUATES OBTAIN THE SKILLS THAT CAN BE VALUABLE TO LOCAL BUSINESSES? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU DO? ORGANIZATIONS LIKE PROJECT LIFT ARE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE LIKE TO COMMUNICATE AND KEEP IN TOUCH WITH. WE DO. WE ACTUALLY NAMED YOUNG PARKER SMITH FROM SMITH MARINE SERVICES, WAS A YOUTH ENTREPRENEUR OF THE YEAR, IF YOU REMEMBER, FROM OUR AWARDS EARLIER THIS YEAR. SO REALLY IMPORTANT PROGRAM, REALLY IMPORTANT RESOURCE FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND YEAH WE DO GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. CAN I ASK A QUESTION JUST OUT IN THE COUNTY, THE HUGE GATEWAY DISTRIBUTION ON KANNER HIGHWAY WHEN IT'S ALREADY BUILT. SO WHEN DOES THAT GET FILLED AND HOW MUCH IS THE ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF ALL THOSE BUILDINGS? YOU KNOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. IT'S GOT TO BE MORE THAN 500,000 PLUS. PLUS, I MEAN, IT'S A MILLION PLUS SQUARE FEET, I THINK, OR CLOSE TO THEREABOUTS. BUT IT'S A LOT. THEY'RE THEY'RE WORKING HARD TO FILL THAT NOW CUSHMAN WAKEFIELD, THEY'RE THE LISTING BROKER FOR THAT. IT'S A FOUNDRY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. BUT THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER TO FILL THAT IN. AND PART OF OUR ROLE IS TO KEEP IN CONTACT WITH THOSE COMMERCIAL REALTORS SO THAT WE KNOW AND WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE TRENDS AND WE CAN BRING POTENTIAL CLIENTS TO THEM. AND SO IT KIND OF THAT'S HOW IT HOW IT WORKS. SO PART OF WHAT WE DO IS BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY SO THAT WE CAN INTERFACE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING. YEAH. OH. VICE MAYOR. OH SORRY. THIS MAY THIS MAY SOUND LIKE A BIT OF A CRITICAL QUESTION, BUT YOU HAD MENTIONED GRIND HARD AND THAT'S SORT OF THE EXAMPLE I HEAR OFTEN WHEN I'M ASKING ABOUT BDB IN THE CITY AND ITS RELATIONSHIP WITH BUSINESSES. WHAT WHAT DID THE BDB DO TO GRIND HARD AMMO COULD NOT DO ON ITS OWN AS A PRIVATE BUSINESS? WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF BDB? WELL, THE ROLE I THINK THAT WE DID PLAY WAS A LOT OF THE CONCIERGE SERVICE. YOU SAW THE LITTLE WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? THE ROPE. THE VELVET ROPE, THE CONCIERGE SERVICE AS IT RELATES TO THE PROCESS OF PERMITTING, WHICH I KNOW THE COUNTY IS REALLY MAKING IMPROVEMENTS ON. 
          BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, WE WERE REALLY HELPING TO USHER THEM THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND ALSO HELPING THEM ACCESS THINGS LIKE THE TPP EXEMPTION, ALTHOUGH IT IS FILLED OUT BY THE APPLICANT, BY THE COMPANY. YOU KNOW, WE ENGAGE IN DOING WORKSHOPS. WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING ANOTHER WORKSHOP COMING UP IN ABOUT A MONTH OR SO, BECAUSE THOSE ARE DUE AT THE END OF MARCH. AND SO, YOU KNOW, HELPING WITH THE ENTIRE PROCESS. SO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH GRANARD, THEY THEY APPROACHED YOU GUYS TO HAVE THEM BE HELPED WITH PERMITTING LIKE WE ENGAGED WITH WITH HELPING THEM WITH PERMITTING. I'M NOT I CAN'T SPEAK TO EXACTLY WHO REACHED OUT TO WHOM, BUT WE DID ENGAGE WITH THEM. YEAH. TO HELP THROUGH THAT PROCESS. THE COUNTY AND WE'RE DOING THE SAME WITH THE VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN IN TERMS OF THEIR POTENTIAL. I DIDN'T MEAN TO DRAG YOU THERE. SO HE WASN'T HE WASN'T HERE AT THE TIME I WAS. I CAN SPEAK TO WHAT WE DID WITH. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR. IT'S OKAY, IT'S OKAY. I JUST WANTED A GENERAL SENSE I GET, I GET THEY WERE STAYING IN SAINT LUCIE UNTIL WE LEARNED. AND THEN WE BROUGHT THEM INTO THE CITY. YOU BROUGHT THEM IN? YEAH. WE INTRODUCED THEM TO THE CITY, SHOWED THEM THE SITE, WORKED WITH SITE SELECTION ON THEM. SORRY, SIR. COULD YOU COME TO THE DIET AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF? HI, CRUMPLER. FOR THE RECORD, I'VE BEEN A CONSULTANT WITH THE BDB FOR FIVE YEARS. I WAS HERE DURING THAT TIME PERIOD WITH GUANTANAMO AND THEY WERE THEY WERE IN SAINT LUCIE. THAT WAS THEIR PLAN TO STAY. THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING BETTER. WE HELPED THEM ON THE SITE. 
          SELECTION LED THEM TO THE OLD YMCA. PARDON ME, OLD YMCA SITE HELPED THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS, ALSO HELPED THEM THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS IN THE VILLAGE. SO IT'S YOUR SENSE THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THAT LOCATION WITHOUT THE BDB? THAT'S A FACT. AND ALL TOLD, THEY REPRESENT A $90 MILLION CAPITAL INVESTMENT PLAN TO AND JOBS THAT PAY VERY WELL, BLUE COLLAR JOBS. 
          THEY'RE TRYING TO GET TO THREE FULL SHIFTS ON THEIR PRODUCTION SIDE. IT'S A GREAT STORY. A LOT OF WHAT THEY DID IS REALLY RESHORE AND AMMUNITION MANUFACTURING. MOST OF IT TAKES PLACE OUT OF THE COUNTRY. A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT UNTIL THE COVID SCARE, BUT THEY BROUGHT IN ALL OF THE THERE'S FOUR COMPONENTS INTO MAKING MANUFACTURER MAKING AMMUNITION, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THE THREE NON THE THREE SAFE SIDE HERE IN THE CITY. AND THEN THE ONE ELEMENT THE PRIMER THAT IS IT HAS AN EXPLOSIVE COMPONENT IS IN A BUILDING THAT'S VERY 
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FORTIFIED. LIKE I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY DO. JUST JUST JUST FOR BREVITY WITH WITH REGARD TO GRIND HARD. WHEN DID THEY OPEN UP? WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN IN THE CITY? I'M GOING TO SAY LATE 2022, BUT I MIGHT BE WRONG ON THAT. DO YOU HAVE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES LIKE GRIND HARD AMMO, WHERE THE PDB WAS INSTRUMENTAL? SO THE BDB'S PRIMARY FOCUS IS LIKE AN 80 OVER 20 BREAKDOWN. 
          80% OF WHAT WE DO IS TAKING CARE OF OUR LOCAL EXISTING BUSINESSES AND THEIR EXPANSION NEEDS. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE PRIMARY FOCUS. WE DON'T REALLY DO LIKE SAINT LUCIE COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS THE MEANS, HAS A BROAD SUITE OF INTERACTIONS WITHIN THE CITY. DO YOU HAVE LIKE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, MAYBE A FEW OF THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP WITH SOME OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES IN THE CITY? THAT'S THE MOST PROFILE EXAMPLE OF AN ATTRACTION PIECE. YEAH. LIKE MORE GENERALLY WHAT YOU DO LIKE A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE. THAT'S WHAT WILLIAM WAS SPEAKING TO ABOUT THE PULSE SIDE. SO THAT'S GOING AND TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE, CURRENT EMPLOYERS, EXISTING EMPLOYERS AND SEEING HOW WE CAN HELP. CAN YOU GIVE ME A FEW EXAMPLES OF THOSE BUSINESSES IN THE CITY? I MEAN, I COULD FOLLOW UP WITH YOU WITH A DETAILED LOOK AT OUR 50 PLUS PULSE VISITS PERFORMED JUST LAST YEAR. IF IT HELPED, AND THAT WE COULD BREAK DOWN THAT PERCENTAGE OF WHICH ARE IN THE CITY, WE COULD GO INTO DETAIL, BUT OKAY, THEN, NOT AT MY IMMEDIATE DISPOSAL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER REED. YEAH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION. MR. CRUMPLER FOR WILLIAM. IN THE SUMMARY, IT MENTIONS 10,000, BUT THEN IT MENTIONS UP TO AN ADDITIONAL 15,000 APPROPRIATED FOR SPECIAL PROJECTS. WHAT WOULD THAT ENTAIL IN THE SUMMER THAT THAT COULD ENTAIL PERHAPS INNOVATION HUB AREA ACTIVITIES OR SOME PROJECT THAT'S MORE SPECIFIC TO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY DOING OR SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE CRA ON SOMETHING, FOR EXAMPLE. AND HOW MUCH DOES THE BOCC GIVE TO OR IS THIS A MUTUAL 25,000 BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY? NO, NO. SO EVERY EACH OF THE, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITIES THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE INVESTORS, THEY ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS. SO 465,000 IS FROM THE FROM MARTIN COUNTY. THE VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN, 10,000. AND THE YOU ALL ARE ALSO AT THE $10,000 LEVEL OF THAT. SO YOU KNOW, WE THEY THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, THEY PRIORITIZE, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING ALL OF THIS. AND SO THAT JOINT INVESTMENT, WHILE VARIED IN SIZE, IT DOES KIND OF REFLECT THE COMMITMENT TO WHAT WE DO. YOU KNOW, HERE AT THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD. AND I'M JUST IT'S IN ITS ENTIRETY. IS THE BDB FUNDED BY THE MUNICIPALITIES AND THE COUNTY ONLY, OR DO YOU? WE ALSO HAVE PRIVATE INVESTORS AS WELL. IS THAT LIKE MEMBERSHIP BASED OR HOW DOES WE'RE 501 C6I BELIEVE. SO IT'S TECHNICALLY MEMBERSHIP BASED. SO YEAH THEY'RE LIKE AN INVESTORS YOU KNOW WOULD WOULD COME ON BOARD TO SUPPORT THE GOALS THAT WE TRY TO ADVANCE. A PRIVATE INVESTOR WOULD JUST DONATE MONEY TO THE BDB. YES. 
          COMPANIES. YES SIR. YES SIR. OKAY. SO IT'S A MIX. YES. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. CORBYN? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU SHOULD PROBABLY STICK AROUND AT THIS. HAPPY TO. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. PROBABLY GOING TO GET PULLED. IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO THIS IS WE HAD QUITE A FEW OF THE CITY STAFF. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT HERE. PRESENT PRESENTATION. WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM OVER HOW LONG A PERIOD OF TIME DID THAT PROGRAM TAKE? IT WAS ABOUT FOUR MONTHS. OKAY. 
          WELL WE'RE GOING TO LEARN ALL ABOUT IT BECAUSE ROSS JOHNSON, HEAD OF HR, IS GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION. INDEED. VERY NICE TO BE HERE. GOOD EVENING. ROSS JOHNSON, STRONG HR DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU MARY. SO I'M HERE TO SHARE WITH YOU A LEADERSHIP PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY THAT OUR LEADERSHIP TEAM EXPERIENCED. VERY EXCITING PROGRAM. THE CITY MANAGER DESIRED LEADERSHIP TRAINING FOR HIS TEAM. AND WE HAVE NEWER MEMBERS OF LEADERSHIP ON OUR TEAM. WE HAVE AN EYE ON SUCCESSION PLANNING. WE'RE IN DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, SO WE DON'T SEE EACH OTHER AS OFTEN AS WE USED TO. BUT QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S GOOD PRACTICE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR LEADERSHIP TEAM IS INFORMED, EDUCATED, BROUGHT UP TO DATE WITH THE HOPE THAT THE OUTCOMES FROM THAT TRAINING TRICKLES DOWN INTO THE ORGANIZATION. SO SOME OF THE ORIGINAL IDEAS THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND I DISCUSSED INCLUDED A RETREAT, WHICH IS GENERALLY AN OFF SITE EVENT WITH BREAKOUT SESSIONS, TAKES PLACE OVER THE COURSE OF A FEW DAYS. WE TALKED ABOUT A WORKSHOP, WHICH IS USUALLY ON SITE MAYBE FOR A DAY OR TWO. WE TALKED ABOUT FACILITATING A TRAINING SERIES WHERE MEMBERS OF LEADERSHIP WOULD EXPLORE AT THEIR OWN PACE, AND THEN WE WOULD GET TOGETHER FOR GROUP DISCUSSION, AND WE TOSSED OUT A FEW OTHER IDEAS AS 
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WELL. ULTIMATELY, WE AGREED THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DID WAS GOVERNMENT SPECIFIC. THERE ARE UNIQUE SITUATIONS IN GOVERNMENT THAT DON'T NECESSARILY EXIST IN PRIVATE SECTOR OR OTHERWISE. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TOPICS WERE VARIED AND THAT THEY WERE WELL RESEARCHED, MEANING WHOEVER WE PARTNERED WITH REALLY NEEDED TO BE QUALIFIED TO FACILITATE A PROGRAM LIKE THIS. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE COURSEWORK WAS RELEVANT FOR ALL THE PROFESSIONS. WE'RE A DIVERSE CITY, SO WHAT MADE SENSE TO THE FIRE CHIEF WOULD ALSO MAKE SENSE TO THE POLICE CHIEF AND TO THE HR DIRECTOR, AND TO THE TECH SERVICES DIRECTOR. WE WANTED IT TO BE UNIVERSAL, THE THEMES TO BE UNIVERSAL. WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDED SOME SELF-ASSESSMENTS HERE AT THE CITY. WE DO TRUE COLORS AND THE RISK ASSESSMENT, BUT WE WERE OPEN TO THE MYERS-BRIGGS, THE PI, THE CLIFTONSTRENGTHS. WE WERE OPEN TO WHATEVER ASSESSMENTS THE FACILITATOR MAY SUGGEST, AND WE WANTED THE TAKEAWAYS TO BE MEANINGFUL AND IMMEDIATELY TRANSFERABLE, MEANINGFUL AND TRANSFERABLE. I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA OF EDUCATION, RIGHT? WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK AWAY SAYING THAT WE LEARNED SOMETHING AND WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH IT. SO CITY MANAGER ASKED ME TO LOOK INTO WHAT WAS OUT THERE AND GET BACK WITH HIM. AND THAT'S HOW WE FOUND LEADER GOV. THEY'VE BEEN SERVING CITIES AND COUNTIES SINCE ABOUT 2012. THE TOP PICTURE IS TIM FINBERT AND LOWER PICTURE IS BILL STARK. AND THEY ENGAGED WITH US AS A CITY. THEY SPECIALIZE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEADERSHIP TRAINING AND SUPPORT. 
          THEY DO DO STRATEGIC PLANNING AND RETREATS. AND WE DID TALK ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF A RETREAT. 
          BUT AS MANY OF US KNOW, RETREATS REALLY ARE FOR EXTINGUISHING THE FLAME. THEY'RE FOR PUTTING OUT THE FIRE AND BRINGING AN ORGANIZATION BACK TO LIFE, IF YOU WILL. WE WEREN'T IN A PANIC. 
          WE DIDN'T. WE HADN'T LOST OUR LEADERSHIP TEAM IN FULL. WE WEREN'T IN A IN A CASE OF EMERGENCY. SO WE SAID, WELL, WHAT DO YOU HAVE? AND WELL, THEY'VE GOT THIS PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOCUSED ON LONG TERM RESULTS. AND IT'S FACILITATED OVER THE COURSE OF SEVEN MONTHS. 
          WELL THAT SOUNDS INTERESTING. SO WE SIGNED UP. 13 STEWART LEADERS PARTICIPATED IN THE PROGRAM. WE DEVELOPED TWO COHORTS. SO LEADER GOV WORKS WITH CITIES AND COUNTIES ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES. AND WHAT THEY DO IS LOOK FOR OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES WHO ARE EQUALLY AS INTERESTED IN A PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT COHORT. AND SO THEY SIGNED UP SEVEN OF US ON OUR TEAM, WITH SEVEN FROM DUNN COUNTY, NORTH DAKOTA, AND THEN SIX OF US ON OUR TEAM PARTICIPATED WITH THE CITY OF ATLANTA, GEORGIA. AND THE WHOLE IDEA BEING THAT SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD TO COME OUT OF YOUR LOCAL AREA AND EXPAND TO OTHER COUNTIES OR CITIES IN THE NATION TO LEARN HOW THEY'RE HANDLING PROBLEMS, AND THEY CAN HEAR HOW WE'RE HANDLING ISSUES. WHAT INNOVATIVE IDEAS HAVE THEY COME UP WITH? WHAT HAVE WE COME UP WITH? AND WE SHARE THAT AND LEARN FROM EACH OTHER. WE MET ONCE A MONTH VIA ZOOM, AND IT WAS SEVEN MONTHS AND SEVEN TOPICS. SO HERE WERE THE TOPICS. 
          THERE WAS A LEADERSHIP OVERVIEW, PERSONALITY AND SELF CARE, AND THE RISK ASSESSMENT WHICH IS WHAT THEY FACILITATED WHICH WE LOVE. WE THINK THAT'S A GREAT INSTRUMENT. WE HAD A TWO HOUR SESSION ON STRATEGIC LEADERSHIP, HIGH IMPACT GOALS AND SMART GOALS, EFFECTIVE TEAM COMMUNICATION AND SERVANT LEADERSHIP. AND THEN AT THE END, WE ALL HAD A CAPSTONE PROJECT TO PRODUCE AND EACH GET TOGETHER WITH OUR ASSIGNED COHORT INCLUDED THESE BREAKOUT SESSIONS. SO WE'D ALL BE TOGETHER ON ZOOM, AND THEN THEY WOULD BREAK US UP INTO GROUPS OF 3 OR 4 TO GO A LITTLE DEEPER INTO A TOPIC AND GO GRANULAR AND SHARE OUR EXPERIENCES. SO THESE WERE THE SEVEN TOPICS THAT WE COVERED OVER THE COURSE OF THESE SEVEN MONTHS. SO THE LEADERSHIP OVERVIEW MODULE, WE DOVE DEEP INTO THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT. AND WHILE THAT MAY SOUND ALMOST ELEMENTARY TO SOME PEOPLE, THE TRUTH IS SOME FOLKS EITHER HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THIS IN A LONG TIME OR TRULY, HONESTLY DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT ARE TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT APPROACHES AND DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT THINGS. SO WE WENT GRANULAR THERE. WE ALSO WENT INTO THE IMPORTANCE OF SELF-CARE LEADERSHIP ROLES. I CAN TELL YOU THAT NO ONE IN A LEADERSHIP CAPACITY HERE AT THE CITY WORKS AN EIGHT HOUR DAY. IT'S UNHEARD OF. IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S NOT REAL. 
          EVEN A NINE OR A TEN HOUR DAY I, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE BASELINE. BUT QUITE FRANKLY, MOST OF THE LEADERSHIP TEAM IS AVAILABLE 24 OVER SEVEN. SO THEY DRILL INTO THE IMPORTANCE OF SELF-CARE AND MAKING SURE THAT MEMBERS OF LEADERSHIP ARE, YOU KNOW, SHAKING OFF THE DAY AND TAKING GOOD CARE OF THEMSELVES SO THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF OTHERS. AND OUR HOMEWORK FOR THAT PARTICULAR FROM THAT SESSION IS WE HAD TO IDENTIFY ONE ASPECT OF LEADERSHIP TO IMPLEMENT THAT MONTH AND ONE AREA OF SELF-CARE TO IMPLEMENT THAT MONTH. AND ONE OF THE BEAUTIES OF THIS PROGRAM 
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IS EVERYONE WAS HELD ACCOUNTABLE. SO THIS THIS ELEMENT OF ACCOUNTABILITY WAS INSTILLED IN EVERY SINGLE SESSION, EVERY MONTH. AND EACH OF US HAD TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE APPLIED, WHAT WE HAD LEARNED, WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO MORE EFFECTIVELY MOVING FORWARD. SO IF ONE OF THE MEMBERS HADN'T DONE WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO, IT WAS REALLY KIND OF EMBARRASSING AND A BIT HUMILIATING. SO EVERYBODY KNEW THAT THEY HAD TO DO THEIR THING BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO BE ASKED ABOUT IT AT THE NEXT MEETING. ALL OF US. THE NEXT SESSION WAS ABOUT LEADERSHIP AND PERSONALITY, AND WE DOVE INTO THE DISC ASSESSMENT. WE HAD ALL TAKEN THE ASSESSMENT IN THAT MONTH SPACE IN BETWEEN, AND AT THIS SESSION IT WAS INTERPRETED AND WE ALL WALKED THROUGH EACH OTHER'S DISC ASSESSMENT RESULTS. AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT ARE OUR TENDENCIES, WHICH IS WHAT THE DISC IS ALL ABOUT. DO WE MOVE TOWARD OR AWAY FROM PROBLEMS, PEOPLE, THE PACE OF THE DAY AND PROCESS AND GUIDELINES? AND WE HAD TO IDENTIFY TWO DISC BLIND SPOTS. SOME MIGHT CALL THEM WEAKNESSES OR DEFICIENCIES. I DON'T LIKE THE TERM. I CALL THEM BLIND SPOTS BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE THEM. IT'S NATURAL. IT'S HUMAN NATURE, AND WE NEEDED TO IDENTIFY OUR OWN BLIND SPOTS WHERE WE COULD IMPROVE, AND WE WERE REQUIRED TO WORK ON THOSE THAT MONTH. WE ALSO WERE EXPECTED TO HAVE ALL OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS IN OUR OWN DEPARTMENTS COMPLETE THE DISC ASSESSMENT. WE USE THE CLOVER LEAF SOFTWARE PLATFORM, WHICH IS A REALLY TERRIFIC PLATFORM, AND INVITE OUR TEAM MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DISC. AND THEN AT OUR OWN MEETINGS, EACH DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR OWN STAFF MEETINGS ON INTERVALS THAT WORK FOR THEM. 
          TALK TO THE STAFF ABOUT THEIR RESULTS AND WHAT IT MEANS, AND ARE THEY TASK FOCUSED OR PEOPLE FOCUSED? ARE THEY FAST, PACE OR SLOWER PACED? SO AND AGAIN, THERE'S THE ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE. WE HAD TO REPORT BACK THE FOLLOWING MONTH ABOUT HOW THAT WENT. AND THE DISC ACTUALLY WAS EXPLORED OVER THE COURSE OF TWO SESSIONS BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A MEANINGFUL INSTRUMENT AGAIN, WHICH IS WHY THE CITY, WE DO ASCRIBE TO THIS AND FACILITATE IT HERE. WE BELIEVE IN IT. AND SO LEADER DOVE SPENT TWO SESSIONS TALKING ABOUT HOW THE DISC APPLIES IN THE WORKPLACE AND HOW WE CAN USE IT MORE EFFECTIVELY. THE NEXT SESSION WAS STRATEGIC LEADERSHIP, AND WE GOT INTO A SWOT ANALYSIS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS INTERESTING IS TO HEAR FROM THE DIRECTORS WHO ACTUALLY USE A SWOT ANALYSIS. THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, THEY USE IT. IT'S NATURAL FOR THEM AND OTHERS WHO HAD HEARD OF IT BUT MAYBE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO APPLY IT. AND LEADER DOVE WAS REALLY WONDERFUL IN HELPING US UNDERSTAND HOW A SWOT CAN BE APPLIED. WE TALKED ABOUT MANAGERS AND HOW THEY APPROACH THINGS TACTICALLY. LEADERS APPROACH THINGS STRATEGICALLY. 
          EACH HAS A PURPOSE. NEITHER ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG OR BETTER THAN THE OTHER. BUT AGAIN, THIS WHOLE PROGRAM THAT WE WERE IN WAS ABOUT LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT. SO THE GOAL WAS TO GET ANY WHO THINK LIKE A MANAGER INTO A MORE LEADERSHIP MINDSET. AND IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO RECOGNIZE THAT ALL OF US IN LEADERSHIP, WE MANAGE AND WE LEAD. WE DO BOTH. THAT'S JUST PART OF THE LIFE OF BEING SOMEONE IN A LEADERSHIP ROLE. AND THEN HOW DOES THAT HOW TO MANAGE AND LEAD, HOW DOES THAT FEED INTO A SWOT ANALYSIS? SO FOR THIS MONTH'S HOMEWORK WE WERE REQUIRED TO DO A SWOT DISCUSSION WITH OUR TEAMS AND RECEIVE THEIR INPUT AND ASK THEM, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE CAN DO BETTER IN OUR DEPARTMENT? WHERE ARE WE DOING? WELL, WHERE ARE WE NOT DOING SO WELL AND PUT TOGETHER A SWOT AND CREATE SOME GOALS FROM THAT SWOT ANALYSIS. AND AGAIN THERE'S THE ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE REPORT ON IT THE NEXT MONTH. AND WE WENT INTO OUR BREAKOUT SESSIONS WITH OUR COHORTS AND TALKED TO THEM ABOUT WHAT DO THEY DO FOR SWOT. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE DO FOR SWOT. SO THAT WAS A TERRIFIC EXPERIENCE AS WELL. THEN WE MOVED INTO HIGH IMPACT GOALS AND SMART GOALS. NOW AGAIN YOU KNOW WE HERE SMART GOALS SPARKLE SMART GOALS. AND I THINK SOMETIMES IT BECOMES REPETITIVE IN SOME FOLKS MINDS. BUT THE TRUTH IS SMART GOALS ARE SMART. 
          SMART GOALS ARE REALLY BRILLIANT. AND WHEN WE REALLY TAKE THE TIME TO SLOW DOWN AND CREATE A SMART GOAL, A LONG TERM, AND THEN BREAK THAT LONG TERM SMART GOAL INTO SMALLER, ACHIEVABLE GOALS IN THE SHORT TERM, AMAZING THINGS CAN HAPPEN. SO WE WALKED THROUGH SMART GOALS AND CREATING SOME HIGH IMPACT GOALS. AND TO CREATE OUR OWN, WE EACH NEEDED TO ASK OURSELVES LIKE, WHAT IS ONE THING THAT WILL REVOLUTIONIZE MY DEPARTMENT OR THE SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY? IS THERE SOMETHING HOLDING MY TEAM BACK AND IF SO, WHAT IS IT AND HOW DO WE OVERCOME IT? PARDON ME. AND WE HAD TO THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS ONE PROBLEM IF WE WERE TO SOLVE IT IN OUR DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD TRANSFORM THE EFFECTIVENESS, YOU KNOW? SO WE HAD TO GO BACK TO OUR TEAM 
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MEMBERS AND ASK THEIR OPINION. I THINK IT WAS SAID EARLIER TONIGHT BY SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, THE GREAT DECISIONS DON'T HAPPEN IN THE BUBBLE AT THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID AND IN FACT, IN SERVANT LEADERSHIP, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND, THAT PYRAMID THAT IS SO TRADITIONAL THAT IT LOOKS LIKE A PYRAMID. IT'S INVERTED IN THE WORLD OF SERVANT LEADERSHIP. SO WE NEEDED TO GET TO OUR TEAM AND GET THEIR INPUT AND THE ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE AGAIN. THEN WE MOVED INTO EFFECTIVE TEAM COMMUNICATIONS. ONE OF MY PERSONAL FAVORITES. WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, AND WHAT ARE SOME STRATEGIES TO APPROACH THOSE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS, TO NAVIGATE THEM BECAUSE IT ISN'T REALLY TACKLING THEM, OR OTHER WORDS THAT COULD BE USED. IT'S NAVIGATING DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS. YOU KNOW, LIFE IS HARD. WORK IS HARD. HOW DO WE HOW DO WE GET THROUGH THOSE? AND THEN WE THEY CONTINUED TO WEAVE IN THE RISK ASSESSMENT AND HOW DIFFERENT STYLES, LISTENING STYLES AND TENDENCIES AFFECT COMMUNICATIONS. AND ONCE WE CAN KNOW EACH OTHER A LITTLE MORE EFFECTIVELY THROUGH THOSE ASSESSMENTS, GREAT THINGS CAN HAPPEN THROUGH COMMUNICATION PROTOCOLS. WE TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MEETINGS AND THE DYNAMICS THAT WE CAN EXPECT IN THOSE MEETINGS. AND FOR OUR HOMEWORK, WE WERE ASKED TO INITIATE A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION, PREFERABLY WITH A TEAM MEMBER. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE LEARNED IN THIS SESSION THAT WOULD SET US UP FOR A SUCCESSFUL INTERACTION ON A DIFFICULT TOPIC WITH A TEAM MEMBER, BUT IT COULD BE WITH A FAMILY MEMBER OR A FRIEND OR, YOU KNOW, SOME DEPARTMENTS ARE SMALLER. AND SO WE HAD TO DO THAT. AND THEN WE ALSO HAD TO TALK TO OUR TEAMS IN THAT MONTH ABOUT THE REAL NEED TO HAVE AUTHENTIC CONVERSATIONS IN THE WORKPLACE. AND WHAT THIS REALLY TIES TO IS PSYCHOLOGICAL SAFETY IN THE WORKPLACE. AND PSYCHOLOGICAL SAFETY IS ALL ABOUT EMPLOYEES FEELING COMFORTABLE AND FREE TO SPEAK UP, TO SHARE A THOUGHT, TO SHARE AN IDEA, TO SHARE A CONCERN WITHOUT BEING RIDICULED, DESTROYED AND DECIMATED IN THAT ENVIRONMENT, IN THAT SPACE, WE NEED TO CREATE A SAFE SPACE FOR EMPLOYEES. SO BY BEING A LITTLE VULNERABLE AND OPENING OURSELVES UP TO OUR TEAM, WE NEEDED TO ASK THEM TO RATE THE QUALITY OF OUR MEETINGS. AND AS MANAGERS LEADERS, WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MEETINGS, AGAIN, DIFFERENT INTERVALS, AND WE CALL THEM TAILGATE MEETINGS. I CALL THEM PULSE CHECKS. AND WE HAD TO ASK OUR OUR TEAM MEMBERS, OUR STAFF, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU THINK THESE MEETINGS ARE GOING? ARE THEY EFFECTIVE FOR YOU? AND IF NOT, WHY? WHAT CAN WE DO BETTER? IT WAS OPENING UP THAT FLOW OF CONVERSATION. AND THEN THE LAST THING WE HAD TO DO THIS MONTH WAS ASK OURSELVES, WHAT CAN I DO BETTER IN MY COMMUNICATING EFFECTIVELY OR NOT? WHAT CAN I DO BETTER AND REALLY REFLECT, DO SOME HARD REFLECTION AND BE PREPARED TO DO BETTER, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT PERFECT. WE MAKE MISTAKES AND WE JUST THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS ACKNOWLEDGE IT, OWN IT, AND MOVE BETTER OR MOVE FORWARD DOING BETTER. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS MODULE ASKED US TO DO. AND THEN THE NEAR LAST THAT WE DID WAS SERVANT LEADERSHIP. AND THIS IS WHERE THE LEADERSHIP PYRAMID IS INVERTED. AND THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF SERVANT LEADERSHIP THAT ARE LISTED HERE THAT WE'RE ACTIVE LISTENERS, WE'RE EMPATHETIC. WE HAVE A HIGH EQ, WE CAN BE PERSUASIVE. WE'RE HEALERS, WE'RE VISIONARIES, STEWARD. WE HAVE FORESIGHT, WE LIKE TO DEVELOP PEOPLE, AND WE'RE ALL INTO OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO WE DOVE INTO THESE AT A GRANULAR LEVEL, AND WE WERE ASKED TO CONSIDER WHICH ELEMENT OF SERVANT LEADERSHIP WE WOULD LIKE TO IMPROVE UPON, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP IN OURSELVES, AND BE HONEST AND OPEN WITH OURSELVES ON WHERE WE COULD IMPROVE. WE HAD TO WRITE A LEADERSHIP STATEMENT AND ACCOUNTABILITY AGAIN, AND WE HAD TO COME BACK TO THE TABLE THE NEXT MONTH AND SHARE WHAT WE LEARNED. AND THEN AFTER WE WENT THROUGH ALL THESE MODULES, EACH OF US HAD TO DO A CAPSTONE PROJECT. AND THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS. IT COULD HAVE BEEN ON ANY TOPIC RELATED TO THE TRAINING WE HAD RECEIVED, BUT WE WERE ASKED TO ASK OURSELVES THESE QUESTIONS. HOW ARE MANAGEMENT AND LEADERSHIP INTERTWINED? HOW CAN I BE MORE EFFECTIVE? HOW HAVE I ACTUALLY INTEGRATED SELF-CARE? HOW CAN I USE THE DISK MORE EFFECTIVELY? HAVE I DONE A SWOT EFFECTIVELY? HAVE I ESTABLISHED HIGS AND HAVE I ESTABLISHED SMART GOALS AND MY HELPING MY TEAM DEVELOP SMART GOALS AND MY INTO THEIR IMPROVEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT AND PROGRESS? AGAIN, SOME OF THE PARTICIPANTS WHO ENGAGED IN THIS AND COMMITTED TO THIS ARE THOSE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR SUCCESSION PLANNING. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING AS LEADERS TO DEVELOP OUR STAFF FOR SUCCESSION PLANNING? BECOMING A SERVANT LEADER DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING A LOT OF US ASPIRE TO BECOME. SO IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO PURSUE, TO ASK OURSELVES, AM 
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I REALLY A SERVANT LEADER AND HOW DO I PROVE IT? AND IF NOT, HOW CAN I DO BETTER? AND THESE ARE ALL THE FOLKS WHO SHOWED UP. THESE FOLKS STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE AND SHOWED UP EVERY MONTH, READY TO ENGAGE WITH THEIR PARTNERS IN THE COHORT. THEY WERE READY TO DO THE HOMEWORK. 
          THEY REPORTED BACK EACH MONTH WITH THEIR SUCCESSES OR THEIR FAILURES. AND, YOU KNOW, WE LOVE FAILURES. FAILURES ARE OKAY. THEY'RE INEVITABLE. BUT THEY THEY ARE REQUIRED IN THE JOURNEY TO ACHIEVE SUCCESS. YOU'VE GOT TO FAIL. FALL DOWN SEVEN, STAND UP EIGHT. RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S JUST PART OF IT. AND FAILURES INVITE US TO LEARN AND IMPROVE. SO THESE FOLKS DID THE WORK AND THEY CAME BACK AND SHARED WHERE THEY SUCCEEDED THAT MONTH AND WHERE THEY COULD HAVE DONE BETTER THAT MONTH. AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SAY, AND I'M SURE I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF ALL THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED, TO THANK YOU, MIKE, FOR REALLY WANTING TO BRING SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO THE TABLE FOR ALL OF US TO LEARN AND TO SHARE THE TABLE TOGETHER, SO TO SPEAK, THAT WE'RE ALL SINGING FROM THE SAME SONG SHEET. WE'RE ALL HEADED IN THE SAME DIRECTION. WE MAY BE IN SEPARATE BUILDINGS, BUT WE'RE ALL MOVING IN THE SAME DIRECTION. SO THIS WAS A TERRIFIC EXPERIENCE, AND I BELIEVE ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE HERE TONIGHT. WE DO HAVE PLAQUES FOR THEM, MAYOR, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAND TO THEM IF I COULD, IF I COULD READ THE NAMES AND THEY COULD COME UP, IF THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. I'M GOING TO THE CLERK'S DESK. 
          THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING. SO, OF COURSE, MIKE WARTELL CITY MANAGER. AND THEN I THINK WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY COME DOWN FOR A PHOTO PERHAPS. SO. MIKE MORTAL. MARY KENDALL. AND DARREN DUKE. DARREN. THERE HE IS. RIGHT. COME ON. OKAY. YES. PETE. KEENAN. MARY. VINCE FELICIANI. 
          JOE TUMINELLI. YOU'RE HERE. JIM KUROWSKI. YES, TRULY MYSELF. BUT I'LL STAY UP HERE FOR A MOMENT. 
          YEAH. MILTON. MILTON LEGGETT MILTON IS IN THE OUTER OFFICE. WHERE'D HE GO? THERE HE IS. 
          PINAL. GANDHI. YEAH. LOOKS LIKE PINAL MIGHT BE OUT. BEN. HOGARTH. BEN, ARE YOU HERE? REGULATIONS. MILTON. OKAY. AND THEN KEVIN SMITH. I KNOW KEVIN'S HERE. AND ZANELLA IS OUT OF TOWN AT A DEPARTMENT TRAINING. OH THERE SHE IS. THERE'S PINAL YEAH. 
          RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH DOUG. COME ON, COME ON. WELL WE'RE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE IN THERE. STAND RIGHT THERE. PLEASE. GET THEM ALL. HERE. WE CAME TOO LATE. BEFORE I DEPART, DID ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROGRAM OR ARE WE GOOD? THANK YOU ROSS. THANK YOU MICHAEL. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU ROSS. THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER. OH, DID THEY GET RAISES FOR DOING IT? NO, MA'AM. THIS IS ALL PART OF THE ENJOYMENT OF WHAT WE DO. PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS A WONDERFUL THING. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS. 
          [COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS]
COMMISSIONER REED, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO SHARE WITH US THIS EVENING? YES, THIS ONE WAS FOR MIKE. I KNOW WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THE HAMILTON PROJECT. DOES THIS NEED A MOTION IN ORDER TO COME BACK OR IS IT SET TO. IT WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO COME BACK IN FEBRUARY, BUT WE RAN INTO THE FIRST AND SECOND READING OF THIS. SO I'M PUSHING FOR MARCH. I KNOW MR. HAMILTON SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL FROM HIS CONTRACTOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND I KNOW THAT THE CRA DIRECTOR HAS SUBMITTED THAT TO FLORIDA COMMERCE, SO THE INTENTION WAS TO BRING IT BACK ONCE THERE WAS SOME RESOLUTION OR RESPONSE. I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY RESPONSE FROM FLORIDA COMMERCE YET. SO THERE'S REALLY IF I BROUGHT IT BACK, I WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TELL YOU. OKAY. 
          THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO DO, I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THEN TO PULL AGENDA ITEM TEN, 11 
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AND 17 FOR DISCUSSION, AND THEN PUT ITEM NUMBER 19 FIRST FOR COMMISSION ACTION. AND THAT WAS ALL I HAD. OKAY. SECOND YOU SAID TEN, 11 AND 17. YEAH. SO TEN, 11 AND 17 FOR DISCUSSION FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR. AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 19 FOR FIRST COMMISSION ACTION. OKAY. WHEN WE GET TO THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, WE'LL TAKE THAT UP. TEN 1117 OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER? READ THAT. THAT IS IT. WELL, IF WHEN WE HAD THAT JOINT MEETING, I KNOW THE CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD SEEMED TO BE TAKING CARE OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED ME TO LIST THOSE OR WAIT FOR THE NEXT CRA MEETING, MAYBE, AND BRING THOSE UP. I I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. I MEAN, IF YOU HAD SO PEOPLE HAD MENTIONED HOSPITAL AVENUE NEEDING REPAIRED. IT'S ACTUALLY ALREADY PROGRAMED. 
          OKAY. SO THEN THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SELBY. I HAVE NO COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER CLARK, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YES, SEVERAL. I JUST WANT TO AGAIN COMMEND JOLY FOR HIS YEARS HERE. 
          AND HE'S OUR BUDGET DIRECTOR AND HE'S BEEN DOING VERY WELL. I JUST WANT TO THANK HIM FOR THAT. 
          FEBRUARY IS BLACK HISTORY MONTH, AND I KNOW THAT WE GAVE THE PROCLAMATION TO THELMA AND MISS DOOLEY WAS HERE, BUT SHE LEFT. BUT THERE'LL BE A FESTIVAL THIS WEEKEND. AND THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER EVENT ON COMING UP ALL THE WAY IN JUNE. THEY'LL BE HAVING SOMETHING, BUT THEY'RE ALREADY WORKING ON GETTING YOUNG PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH THAT IN JUNE. BUT THAT'S THAT. RECENTLY I WENT WITH THE MAYOR, AND I'LL LET THE MAYOR TALK ABOUT THAT IF HE WANTS TO, TO, TO CELEBRATE A WOMAN WHO HAD 102 YEARS OLD AT, AT ALTO, RIGHT IN OUR CITY, AND THE BDB IS HERE. AND WHEN ALTO WAS COMING IN, THEY WERE TRYING TO GET THE INDUSTRIAL, THE IDA, THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARD FOR THE COUNTY TO DO THE, THE, THE LETTER, THE PASS THROUGH LETTER SO THAT THE, THE FUNDING COULD COME IN FOR THAT BUSINESS AND THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARD FOR THE COUNTY AT THE TIME DIDN'T DO IT, BUT THROUGH WE WORKED HARD WITH THE CITY. WE GOT THAT LETTER. AND THAT'S HOW THE DEVELOPER CAME IN AND DID THAT PROJECT ALTO IN THE CITY. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO COORDINATE WITH THE BDB AS WELL AS WITH THE COUNTY ON THESE THINGS. AND EVEN WHEN THEIR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARD DIDN'T GO THROUGH THAT WITH THE WITH THE FUNDING EFFORT THAT THEY NEEDED TO HAVE, THIS PARTICULAR THING DONE FOR THE PAST THROUGH LETTER, THAT'S HOW WE GOT ALTO, BECAUSE WE KIND OF WORK AND STAYED WITH IT AND GOT THAT PROJECT BUILT ALONG PALM BEACH ROAD. STUART. WELL MARTIN COUNTY IS 100 YEARS THIS YEAR. 1925 GOVERNOR MARTIN THAT'S WHY WE ARE CALLED MARTIN COUNTY. AND THE COUNTY IS PLANNING A LOT OF PROJECTS. I'M SURE THAT YOU CAN LOOK ON THEIR WEBSITE OR SEE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AROUND TOWN. BUT STUART WAS INCORPORATED IN 1914, BUT IT BECAME THE COUNTY SEAT WHEN MARTIN COUNTY BECAME A COUNTY. SO WE'RE 100 YEARS AS THE COUNTY SEAT. I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT OUR COMMISSION HAS WANTED TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE COUNTY WITH REGARD TO RECOGNIZING THAT WE ARE THE COUNTY SEAT FOR MARTIN AND THAT WE ARE ALSO CELEBRATING 100 YEARS AS THE COUNTY SEAT IN MARTIN. AND I WAS WONDERING, I WANT TO PUT IT EARLY AND PUT IT BEFORE THE BUDGET TIME THAT IF WE COULD USE THIS YEAR'S JULY 4TH CELEBRATION, EVEN JUST TO NAME AND TO COORDINATE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR MONEY FROM THE COUNTY, BUT AT LEAST USE IT AS A TIME TO CELEBRATE THE FACT THAT THE CITY OF STUART IS A HUNDRED YEARS AS AS THE MAIN COUNTY. THE COUNTY SEAT FOR MARTIN COUNTY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE IF I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO LOOK INTO HOW WE COULD BEST TRY TO HAVE A PLAN TO COME AND, AND DO THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW EACH YEAR IT'S ALWAYS A STRUGGLE TO FIND FUNDS FOR FIREWORKS AND FOR OTHER THINGS, BUT I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE NOW, AND I'M GOING TO TALK TO STAFF AGAIN. AND IF I NEED A PROPER MOTION, I'LL I'LL WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND COME BACK AT ANOTHER TIME. BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET THAT BE KNOWN. THE OTHER THING IS THAT IF WE ALSO NEED TO DO SOME KIND OF A PROCLAMATION 
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THROUGH THE CITY, IF WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT AND GET THAT DONE, MAYBE SOMETIME IN MAY OR SO, WE COULD DO SOMETHING TOWARDS THAT WITH THE COUNTY. AND THE OTHER THING WITH REGARD TO WORKING ON CELEBRATING THE HISTORY OF MARTIN COUNTY IS THAT TOMORROW NIGHT, FEBRUARY THE 11TH, HOUR. 
          I KNOW THE NATIONAL LEVEL. THEY HAVE THE POET LAUREATE, ALTHOUGH I HEAR THAT ONE OF OUR POET LAUREATE HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING, BUT I KNOW DECOMMISSIONED. BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SANDY THURLOW AS OUR HISTORIAN, AND SHE'S GOING TO BE PRESENTING A PROGRAM AT OUR FLAGLER CENTER TOMORROW EVENING, STARTING AT 7 P.M. WITH OUR STUART HERITAGE BOARD AND OTHER HERITAGE AND PRESERVATION ORGANIZATIONS IN, IN MARTIN COUNTY AND, AND IN STUART. AND SO I JUST ASK FOR THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE, EITHER GO TO THE WEBSITE OR GO TO THE STUART MAIN STREET SITE OR GO TO THE MARTIN COUNTY, I MEAN, THE STUART HERITAGE SITE. ANY ONE OF THOSE THINGS, OR EVEN JUST SANDY THURLOW. JUST LOOK HER UP AND YOU'LL SEE WHEN SHE'S GOING TO BE SPEAKING AT THE FLAGLER CENTER. ALSO, WITH REGARD TO ACTIVITIES THIS MONTH TO CELEBRATE BLACK HISTORY MONTH, THE MARTIN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD WILL BE PUTTING ON A PROGRAM ON FEBRUARY 22ND AT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB IN STUART. AND IT'S AN ALL DAY AFFAIR FROM ABOUT TEN UNTIL TWO AND OR NINE UNTIL TWO, AND THEY'LL SHOWCASE THEIR YOUNG PEOPLE WITH THEIR FOOD TRUCK AND OTHER THINGS THERE. AND OF COURSE, THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL BE PUTTING ON SOMETHING WITH REGARD TO BLACK HISTORY. SO WE'D LIKE TO LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY. SANDY HAS AN ISSUE GOING ON WITH REGARD TO TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO IDENTIFY VARIOUS PHOTOGRAPHS THAT MAYBE SHE HAS HAD IN HER BOOK, OR SHE'S HAD OTHER PLACES. IF YOU EVER GO TO THE MUSEUM OR SOMEPLACE, OR IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN YOUR CHURCHES OR ORGANIZATION OR FAMILY, SHE'D LOVE TO GET AS MANY PICTURES AND HAVE THEM IDENTIFIED WITH NAMES OR OCCASIONS FOR THE FOR THE MARTIN COUNTY HISTORY. AND SANDY THURLOW, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM REMEMBERING, WE HAVE A LITTLE BUILDING JUST TWO BUILDINGS DOWN. IT'S CALLED THE STUART FEED STORE AND MUSEUM, AND THEY CAN GIVE YOU ANY INFORMATION YOU WANT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE MARTIN COUNTY HISTORIC PROJECT, WHETHER WHATEVER YOUR BACKGROUND, CREED, COLOR, RACE, BUSINESS AFFILIATION OR FAMILY AFFILIATION, AS LONG AS IT HAS TO DO WITH MARTIN COUNTY, WE APPRECIATE INPUT SO THAT WE CAN KEEP OUR HISTORY AND PRESERVE THE INFORMATION. THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. SO CAN WE JUST GO BACK TO WHAT NOW? THE CITY IS OLDER THAN THE COUNTY, CORRECT? THE CITY INCORPORATION. THE COUNTY WAS A PART OF PALM BEACH COUNTY AND MIAMI-DADE. IT WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF DADE COUNTY. YES, YES, YES. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, COMMISSIONER. WE'RE THE COUNTY SEAT BECAUSE MARTIN COUNTY IS 100 YEARS OLD AND AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO JOINTLY GET MORE FUNDS FOR THE FIREWORKS. IS THAT THE IDEA? PROBABLY, OR AT LEAST AT LEAST RECOGNIZE MARTIN COUNTY. OKAY, AT THE BEN HOGAN IS IN HERE. BUT AT THE AIR SHOW THEY HAD IT WAS VERY EXPENSIVE. I DON'T KNOW WHO DID IT FOR THE AIR SHOW, BUT THEY HAD SOMETHING THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF STUFF. THEY TALKED ABOUT VETERANS AND OTHER THINGS, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAD A DRONE SHOW. YEAH. OKAY. SO IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING SPECIAL TO SAY SOMETHING TO MARTIN COUNTY, I'D APPRECIATE THAT WE CAN GET A COMMITTEE AND WORK ON THAT. 
          MAYOR. COMMISSIONER SHELBY, THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE WAS THE MARTIN ARTS FESTIVAL THIS PAST WEEKEND, AND THEY DID CELEBRATE THE CENTENNIAL. THEY GAVE A PLAQUE PRESENTATION TO SARAH HURD. SO THEY DID DO A CELEBRATION OF THE CENTENNIAL FOR YOU'RE DOING IT ALL YEAR. THEY'RE DOING LOTS OF THINGS. AND MY WIFE IS ACTUALLY DOING THE BOOK FOR THE COUNTY. YEAH, OKAY. BECAUSE SHE'S DONE ALL THE BOOKS WITH SANDRA UP TILL NOW. 
          SO BUT SANDRA IS ACTUALLY NOT DOING THE BOOK ON THE CENTENNIAL, SO I'M NOT. WELL, YOU CAN WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER. YEAH, I'LL WORK WITH CITY MANAGER AND I'LL BRING IT BACK. OKAY. MISS VICE MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS THIS EVENING? MY ONLY COMMENT IS ALONG THE SAME LINES OF COMMISSIONER REED'S COMMENT WITH THE HAMILTON'S IS. I WOULD JUST LOVE TO SEE THAT BE RESOLVED AS SOON AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. I FEEL LIKE IT'S A IT'S A BLACK EYE. 
          IT'S JUST IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. SO IF WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO WHOEVER WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO 
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AND EMAIL THEM EVERY WEEK, MIKE, TO GET SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION WAITING FOR THE SUBMITTAL FROM THE HAMILTON'S. IT JUST CAME TWO WEEKS AGO. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT SOUNDS WONDERFUL AND IT'S POLITE, BUT MR. HAMILTON, MR. HAMILTON, I'M SORRY. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU'VE BEEN JERKING ME OFF FOR SEVEN MONTHS, AND I'M GETTING TIRED OF IT. SEVEN MONTHS SINCE THE PUBLIC FORUM. 
          YOU CAN'T. YOU CAN DO. THE FACT IS, IT'S FLORIDA COMMERCE THAT'S FUNDING IT. HE WAS AUTHORIZED TO HIRE HIS OWN CONTRACTOR, AND HE DID NOT SUBMIT ANYTHING FROM HIS CONTRACTOR UNTIL MIDDLE OF JANUARY 2025. THERE'S NO CONTRACTORS WOULD TOUCH THE PLACE. I AGREE. I DON'T CARE WHY, BUT THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT WE COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD UNTIL IT HAPPENED AND WE COULDN'T PICK THE CONTRACTOR BECAUSE MR. HAMILTON OBVIOUSLY THE CONTRACTOR, DESTROYED THE CHURCH. OKAY, WE CAN'T NOT HAVE THIS DIALOG FROM THE AUDIENCE. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, WE ARE WAITING. THE CITY MANAGER IS INDICATING HE'S WAITING TO HEAR WHAT IT'S WORTH. EVEN THOUGH HE JUST SAID I WAS LYING ABOUT THAT IT BEING SUBMITTED THREE WEEKS AGO OR TWO WEEKS AGO. HE'S NOW ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT WAS IN FACT SUBMITTED IN JANUARY, AND THAT IT'S NOW AT THE FLORIDA COMMERCE. AND AS SOON AS WE HEAR FROM THEM, WE'LL PUT THEM ON THE AGENDA. OKAY, THEN. IS THERE SOME SORT OF TIME FRAME WITH WHICH WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH THEM INSTEAD OF JUST, WELL, FLORIDA COMMERCE IS GOING TO EITHER AUTHORIZE PAYING THE ADDITIONAL MONEY OR THEY'RE NOT. 
          GOT IT. OKAY. THAT WAS ALL. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU, MAYOR RICH. YES. TO REITERATE ON THAT, I ACTUALLY HAD A TEAMS MEETING WITH FLORIDA COMMERCE ON THURSDAY, AND THEY SAID AT THIS TIME THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO PAY ANYTHING WHEN I HAD A TEAMS MEETING WITH THEM, THAT IT WAS STRICTLY ON THE CITY OF STUART, AND POTENTIALLY THEY MIGHT HELP. BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD WHEN I HAD A TEAMS MEETING WITH THEM ON THURSDAY LAST WEEK. WELL, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S WAIT FOR A FORMAL RESPONSE TO THE CITY MANAGER. DID YOU GO OVER THE TRANSMITTAL? BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH HE SUBMITTED IT FOR? I SAW IT COME IN THE EMAIL FROM PANEL. I WANT TO KNOW. I'M SAYING WHEN YOU WERE ON THE PHONE WITH FLORIDA COMMERCE, DID HAD THEY SEEN IT AND REVIEWED IT, I THINK THEY SAID THEY WERE STILL WAITING ON SOMETHING FROM SHIPPO, SO THEY HADN'T REVIEWED IT YET, BUT THEY SAID THAT WE WERE FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE, THOUGH WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED TO RELY ON VERBAL TRANSMISSIONS TO COMMIT. 
          I MEAN, I COULD WE'VE MADE THE CITY HAS MADE A FORMAL REQUEST AND WE'RE WAITING FOR A FORMAL REPLY. CORRECT. WE'VE ALSO REQUESTED A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THAT AS WELL. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO. OKAY. MY COMMENTS ARE VERY SIMPLE AND I DO I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COMMISSIONERS JOVI AND CLARK FOR ACCOMPANYING M TO ALTO, WHICH ACTUALLY IS A VERY NICE FACILITY. I HAD NEVER BEEN THERE ON PALM BEACH ROAD AND WE DID. I WAS VERY HAPPY TO GIVE TO MISS RUTH WHITEMAN OF PHILADELPHIA, SO SHE'S HAPPY. RECOGNITION FOR 102 YEARS OLD. AND THE REASON I MENTION IT, AND BY THE WAY, SHE WAS TOTALLY WITH IT. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED. AND SHE HAD HER FAMILY THERE, BUT SHE INDICATED THAT SHE HAD, EVER SINCE SHE WAS FIRST ELIGIBLE, ELIGIBLE TO VOTE. SHE HAS A PERFECT VOTING RECORD. SHE HAS NEVER MISSED THE CHANCE TO CAST HER BALLOT. AND I WAS VERY IMPRESSED BY THAT. SO IT WAS NICE TO MEET HER. AND IT WAS IT WAS VERY ENJOYABLE, WASN'T IT? YES, YES. AND THEN SECONDLY, SO THIS IS I'M ASKING FOR A, D AND D, WE ALL RECEIVED THIS FROM BONNIE MOSER. BONNIE SITS ON THE CRB BOARD. IT'S THE SUBJECT WAS TRAFFIC CALMING. PLEASE DO SOMETHING JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND AND QUALIFICATION. BONNIE IS A URBAN DESIGNER. SHE WORKS IN TRAFFIC. SHE LIVES ON 10TH STREET. SHE LIVES RIGHT IN FRONT OF. SHE LIVES RIGHT IN FRONT OF SAINT JOE'S. SHE LIVES RIGHT IN FRONT OF SAINT JOE'S AND THEY'VE BEEN HAVING A NUMBER OF INCIDENTS. VERY SCARY TO THE CHILDREN AND PARENTS AND. OH, YES, MISS MCBRIDE, I DID SEE YOUR NAME MENTIONED THERE. AND WHAT I'D JUST LIKE TO DO IS PROVIDE US UP HERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM THE PARENTS. SO IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, COULD WE PUT THIS ON FOR D AND D AT THE NEXT MEETING? I'M. I SOUND LIKE A TOWN HALL FOR THE PARENTS TO COME. JUST IT'S A YEAH, BUT AN AGENDA ITEM ON TO LET THE COMMISSION HEAR COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT IT WOULDN'T BE FOR FEBRUARY 24TH BECAUSE WE HAVE ABOUT AS BUSY A MEETING FOR FEBRUARY 24TH AS WE DO TODAY. BUT WE CAN DO IT FOR MARCH 10TH. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE INTERVENING PERIOD ANYWAY. SO APPARENTLY THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN. AND SO THE CHILDREN, THEY DO WELL THERE'S TWO SCHOOLS. YEAH. YEAH. SO AND APPARENTLY SO. AND IT'S COMPLICATED. WE'VE HAD ONE MEETING ALREADY. I THINK MILTON WAS THERE AND WE MET THE COUNTY ROADS. SO IT IS A COMPLICATED 
          [02:30:05]
PALM BEACH IS A COUNTY ROAD AND 10TH IS. YEAH CITY ROAD. RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE MY ONLY COMMENTS. 
          [COMMENTS BY CITY MANAGER]
COMMENTS BY CITY MANAGER MR. MARTEL. FIRST, I ALSO WAS GOING TO MENTION SANDY THURLOW WILL BE SPEAKING AT THE ON BEHALF OF THE STUART HERITAGE MUSEUM AT THE FLAGLER CENTER. IT'S ENTITLED CELEBRATING OUR CENTENNIAL, AND IT WILL BE HIGHLIGHTING MARTIN COUNTY'S 100 YEARS AS PART OF THEIR YEAR LONG CELEBRATION OF THEIR CENTENNIAL. I ALSO WANTED TO THANK JOE LEE FOR THE 30 YEARS OF COMMITMENT HE'S GIVEN TO THE CITY, AND I SHOULD ALSO CALL HIM LEWIS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MILTON CALLS HIM. AND LASTLY, I WANTED TO ALSO MENTION THAT THE CITY OF STUART WAS NAMED FOR THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW, THE 2024 CIGNA HEALTHY WORKFORCE DESIGNATION, WHICH IS THE CIGNA HEALTH CARE, HAS HONORED THE CITY WITH THE 2024 GOLD LEVEL HEALTHY WORKFORCE DESIGNATION IN RECOGNITION OF ITS STRONG COMMITMENT TO EMPLOYEE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING THROUGH ITS WORKPLACE WELLNESS INITIATIVES. THE CITY'S AWARD WINNING STEWART STRONG WELLNESS PROGRAM IS BUILT ON THREE PILLAR APPROACH TO CREATE A HEALTHIER WORK ENVIRONMENT AND LIFESTYLE FOR THE EMPLOYEES. AND I SHOULD MENTION THAT IT'S PART OF THE HEALTH PROGRAM TO AVOID MEDICAL CLAIMS IN THE LONG RUN, AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY WHAT'S CALLED THE WOW PROGRAM OR STEWART STRONG PROGRAM. AND IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND OBVIOUSLY CIGNA IS RECOGNIZING THE GREAT STRENGTHS THAT THE CITY OF STEWART HAS GONE TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS, AND IT IS BENEFICIAL TO THE EMPLOYEES BECAUSE IT GIVES THEM BETTER PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH. BUT IT'S ALSO BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY BECAUSE IN DOING SO, IT PREVENTS, IN THEORY, THE LARGE MEDICAL EXPENSES THAT WOULD COME FROM POOR HEALTH. AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU. SO CAN WE GET A MOTION FOR 
          [APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA WE'RE GOING TO PULL FROM THE CONSENT TEN, 11 AND 17. IS THAT CORRECT, COMMISSIONER? REPLACE 18 WITH 19 AND 19 WITH 18. MOVED. MOVE. WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA. 
          JUST LET ME REPLACE. WHAT, 18 WITH 19 AND 19 WITH 18. 19 WILL BE MOVING UP. 18 WILL BE NEXT. 
          SO WE'LL GO. IT WILL GO MOVING 19 TO THE I GOT IT IT WILL GO 16 1918. YES. MOVE APPROVAL. NO NO NO IT'LL GO. YEAH. NO, IT'LL BE CONSENT 1918. ALL RIGHT. GOT IT. AND WE'RE PULLING TEN. FORGIVE ME. TEN, 11 AND 17. OKAY. MOVE. APPROVAL SECOND. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK AND A SECOND BY THE VICE MAYOR. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. ON AGENDA. A 
          [COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (Non-Agenda Related) (3 Minutes Max.)]
NON AGENDA ITEM. IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE COMMISSION, COULD WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO COMMENT ON ANY OF THE ITEMS RATHER THAN MAKE THEM WAIT TO BE HERE IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE HERE? THEY BY THE WAY, IT'S KIND OF THEIR PRIVILEGE TO DO SO ANYWAY. WE JUST ASK THEM TO BECAUSE IT'S MORE EFFECTIVE TO HAVE IT AT THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME. BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COMMENT ON IT, THEY'RE WELCOME TO DO SO. IS THAT OKAY WITH THE COMMISSION? I'LL ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK. SO IF YOU IF THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. SO IF YOU FEEL YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO BE HERE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHEN WE'LL GET TO THE LATTER ITEMS. FEEL FREE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME. SO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. YES, MADAM CLERK ROBERT HAMILTON. ROBERT HAMILTON, THE 1895 CHURCH OF STUART. HERE WE ARE AGAIN. I AM GLAD TO SEE THE LEADERSHIP AWARDS GIVEN OUT TO TWO PEOPLE THAT COVERED UP THE FRAUD AND SWEPT IT UNDER THE CARPET. THAT MAKES THE TAXPAYERS FEEL REAL GOOD ABOUT THAT. I SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL TODAY. THOSE EMAILS KEPT BOUNCING BACK. WE WERE BLOCKED FROM THE SYSTEM. HERE I STAND. SEVEN MONTHS LATER YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. SEVEN MONTHS LATER, WE'RE HERE, GOING BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH, KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. IT'S QUITE OBVIOUS TO EVERYBODY WHO'S WATCHED THIS WATCH WHAT WENT ON, THE DESTRUCTION, THE COVER UP, THE LIES, THE FRAUD, FORGING MY SIGNATURE. THIS IS NOT A JOKE ANYMORE. WE HAVE TWO WEEKS TILL THE NEXT MEETING. I'M ASKING YOU, MAYOR RICH. SIR, I WANT TO PUT ON THE NEXT AGENDA. YES OR NO? I KNOW YOU WANT TO IGNORE ME. THAT'S WHAT GOES ON. I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU. YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE NOT THE MAYOR. THIS IS ABOUT CITY EMPLOYEES NOT DOING 
          [02:35:03]
WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, AND THEY'RE RUNNING THE ROOST. THE CABAL IN THE BACK ROOM RUNS THE CITY. I HAVE TO DEAL WITH TWO PEOPLE. I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE COMMISSION AND THE CABAL IN THE BACK ROOM, KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, LYING, INSULTING MY WIFE, TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS IN THE CURTILAGE OF OUR HOME. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS? THE CURTILAGE OF YOUR HOME? TO TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS WITHOUT PEOPLE KNOWING YOU, ME AND MY WIFE. I WANT THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS, MAYOR. 
          ALL OF THEM. AND THE VIDEOS INSIDE THE CURTILAGE OF OUR HOME. NOBODY HAS A RIGHT TO DO THAT. I'M LETTING CERTAIN THINGS GO. THAT CHURCH IS GOING TO GET FIXED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, I DON'T CARE. I'M TIRED OF THIS. LEADERSHIP WAS SO GOOD THAT TWO PEOPLE THAT SCREWED US OVER A SEVEN AND A HALF MONTHS COMING IN HERE, AND I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE UPSET. THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN BECAUSE THE CITY DIDN'T SAY, HEY, PATRIOT, YOU SCREWED THIS UP. IT'S IN THE CONTRACT. THEY GAVE YOU THE PAPERWORK TODAY. YOU'VE HAD IT FOR MONTHS. YOU HAD A REMEDY, BUT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT. AND TO THIS DAY, GUARDIAN STILL EMPLOYED BY THE CITY OF STUART. RECENTLY THE WEST COAST OF FLORIDA. A HOMEOWNER REACHED OUT TO OLGA AND I ASKED IF WE KNEW ANTONIO JENKINS ASKED IF WE KNEW DON COBB, OLGA SAYING WHY THEY WENT INTO THEIR HORROR STORY OF THEIR HOME IN REAL TIME. I HAVE MEETINGS SET UP WITH HER, ADVISE HER TO GO TO IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP. WE NEED THE DOGE IN HERE. WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. WE NEED THE DOGE IN HERE TO STOP THIS. I WANT MY HOME FIXED. FALSE LIENS ON MY HOME. I WANT IT FIXED. THANK YOU. OLGA HAMILTON, OUTSIDE. GOOD LUCK. SHE COULDN'T TAKE IT. JULIE PRIEST. THESE ARE FOR EACH OF YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. PRIEST. CHIEF WAS GOING TO HAND THEM OUT. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY. I AM JULIE PRIEST. I AM AN OLD TIME 1981, DOWNTOWN MERCHANT. AND I RETIRED FROM THE RETAIL BUSINESS IN 1995 AND 1987. I WAS THE FIRST CHAIR AND PRESIDENT OF STUART MAIN STREET AND STARTED TO HELP START THAT PROGRAM. IT WAS A DIFFICULT START. WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE AN OFFICE. WE MOVED OUR MAIN STREET MANAGER AT THE TIME THAT SHE WAS CALLED A MANAGER AT LEAST THREE TIMES TO DONATED OFFICES, DONATED EQUIPMENT FROM HOUSTON'S OFFICE SUPPLY STORE, USED TO BE DOWNTOWN, AND A LOT OF THAT IS MISSING FROM THIS BOOK. BUT THERE'S A LOT THAT'S IN THIS BOOK. IT'S CALLED SAVING STUART FLORIDA. THIS IS ABOUT THE REVITALIZATION OF DOWNTOWN STUART. WHAT IS AMAZING TO ME IS THAT WHAT YOU SEE TODAY IS NOT WHAT WAS HERE IN 1980S AND 1990S. IT WAS A BLIGHTED, DETERIORATED PLACE. I HAD THE AUDACITY TO PURCHASE A STORE FROM A COUPLE WHO WERE RETIRING, A CHILDREN'S CLOTHING STORE CALLED PIPETTE. IT WAS ON ONE SIDE OF THE LYRIC, NO LONGER EVEN THERE ANYMORE, BECAUSE NOW IT'S BECOME PART OF THE LYRIC. 
          IT WAS DEMOLISHED AND THE LYRIC TOOK IT AS PART OF THEIR BACKSTAGE. THEN BOB GREEN RETIRED GREEN'S DEPARTMENT STOR, AND I HAD ALREADY BROUGHT CRITTER FITOR SHOES FROM CENTRAL STUART TO DOWNTOWN TO HELP. I DON'T KNOW, I HAD THIS IDEA DOWNTOWN WAS REALLY GOING TO BE A GREAT PLACE, BUT IT WAS STILL DETERIORATED IN THE EARLY 80S. SO IN 87 WE STARTED STUART MAIN STREET. SOON AFTER THAT WE HAD ANDRES DUANY, OUR ACCOMPLISHED PLANNER, COME TO TOWN. THERE WERE CHARRETTES. WE CAME TO A CONSENSUS AND WE ACCOMPLISHED WHAT YOU SEE TODAY. THE VISION CAME TO REALITY. AND I JUST IMPLORE YOU, AND THIS IS ALSO SOLD AT STUART HERITAGE TO TAKE THE TIME. IT'S AN EASY READ. THE LINES ARE SPREAD FAR APART SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET A ANY, ANY SPECIAL GLASSES TO READ IT. AND IT'S QUICK. AND IT WAS WRITTEN BY BLAKE FONTENOT USING MAYOR JOAN JEFFERSON'S FILES. HE ALSO DID INTERVIEW A LOT OF US WHO ARE STILL ALIVE. SOME DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS. THERE ARE A FEW OF US LEFT, AND I ALSO WANTED TO BRING YOU UP TO DATE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE CENTENNIAL, BECAUSE I'M WORKING WITH MISS MRS. RICH AND ALSO MR. GEORGE STOKES AT THE COUNTY FOR THE CENTENNIAL. MRS. RICH IS HELPING TO DESIGN A BOOK, A COFFEE TABLE BOOK, AND I'M SURE WE HAD THE CITY OF STUART AS BEING ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, SO-CALLED 
          [02:40:03]
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT'S GOING TO BE DESCRIBED IN THE BOOK. SO EACH OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT 15 PAGES. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHICH THEY HOPE TO HAVE THE BOOK PUBLISHED BY AUGUST, I MET WITH CANDACE, OUR DIRECTOR OF STUART HERITAGE OF STUART MAIN STREET, JUST LAST WEEK. MR. BLAKE WAS THERE AND MCMILLAN WAS THERE, ANOTHER DOWNTOWN MERCHANT. SHE HAD A BOOKSTORE. WE HAD INEZ FROM THE BDB THERE AND WHAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO DO, CANDACE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS DURING HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, IF I CAN GO ON JUST A MINUTE TO INFORM YOU DURING HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, SHE WANTS TO HAVE A TWO DAY PRESENTATION AT THE FLAGLER, WHERE WE HAVE SLIDESHOWS AND EVERYTHING ON THE HISTORY, WHICH COULD INCLUDE THE COUNTY SEAT AND ALL THAT INFORMATION, ALONG WITH HAVING PRESENTATIONS BY THOSE WHO USED TO BE HERE, THE OLD TIMERS LIKE ME. SO GEORGE STOKES, IF YOU WISH TO GET MORE INFORMATION, AND OF COURSE, CANDACE. AND SHE'S PLANNING TO DO THAT DURING MAY HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, DARYL MCGILL. HELLO. MY NAME IS DARYL MCGILL AND I'M FROM KINGSWOOD. PHASE TWO HERE IN STUART. AND FIRST OFF, THANK YOU FOR THE PROCLAMATION. AND I ACTUALLY CAME TO SING TO BE A PART OF THEIR PROGRAM TODAY, TO SING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM, WHICH I SING FOR ALL THE MAJOR LEAGUE TEAMS HERE IN ALL THREE OF THE STADIUMS. AND I JUST WANTED TO AT LEAST LET YOU KNOW ONCE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN ENTERTAINMENT AND PRODUCING EVENTS SINCE 1972. 
          SO THAT'S OVER 50 SOME YEARS. AND I'VE BEEN A VOLUNTEER AT YOUR MARTIN COUNTY FAIR. IT'S NOT YOUR MARTIN COUNTY FAIR, OBVIOUSLY. I'M JUST THE MARTIN COUNTY FAIR THAT YOU DON'T OVERSEE AND HAVE NO PURVIEW OF. BUT I'M A MEMBER OF THE MARTIN COUNTY FAIR FOR 14 YEARS, VOLUNTEERING ACTUALLY, IN SIX YEARS AS THE ENTERTAINMENT DIRECTOR, AND JUST HAPPENED JUST TO TWO WEEKENDS AGO. I DID GO TO THE FAIR AND I WAS IN MY VOLUNTEER SHIRT AND THEY SAID, YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE. I SAID, EXCUSE ME, YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE. OUR FAIR BOARD HAS VOTED YOU OFF THE FAIR GROUNDS FOR TWO YEARS. I WAS IN SHOCK. I HAD TEARS IN MY EYES. AFTER 14 YEARS. JUST THE LAST COUPLE OF THINGS WAS ONE. JUST RECENTLY I WAS NAMED THE NOMINATED UNSUNG HERO FOR THE TREASURE COAST I RECEIVED FROM MY COUNTY. I WAS THE ONE OF THREE PERSONS AS THE PRIDE OF OUR COUNTY. THIS IS IN NEW YORK, ULSTER COUNTY. I'VE SERVED ON FAIRS FOR OVER 40 YEARS AND I CAME TO THE. WHEN I CAME HERE, I STARTED VOLUNTEERING AND HELPING AT THE MARTIN COUNTY FAIR. AND I JUST REMEMBER AS A KID, MY FOLKS ARE FROM GIFFORD. I'D COME DOWN HERE EACH YEAR AND WE WOULD GO TO GAS STATIONS OR RESTAURANTS OR WHATEVER, AND THE SAME WORDS, YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE. WE'RE USHERED TO MY PARENTS AND I REMEMBER THAT. SO WITH THAT, I JUST WANTED TO LEAVE THAT MESSAGE WITH YOU. IT'S BLACK HISTORY MONTH, AND I FEEL VERY HURT HOW I WAS TREATED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU MISS. ROD PETERSON. MR. PETERSON, MR. PETERSON HERE, YOU LEFT EARLIER. UNLESS HE'S OUT THERE. I CAN DO THE NEXT PERSON, IF YOU'D LIKE. FIRST. AUDRA CREECH. SHE'S CRYING. GOOD EVENING. I KNOW IT'S A LONG NIGHT. I SEE THE AGENDA. I'M GOING TO TRY AND KEEP THIS AS SHORT AS I CAN. AND I REALIZE IT'S ALSO BEEN A VERY HEAVY, EMOTIONAL NIGHT. SO I'M ALSO GOING TO TRY AND KEEP THIS AS EMOTIONALLY UPLIFTING AS POSSIBLE. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE WHEN I BELIEVE MR. HAMILTON DECIDED TO SPEAK OUT OF TURN. I ALSO DID, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE IN THE ORDER THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS LIKE THIS THAT ARE OFTEN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO EXTREMELY HARD TO DO SO FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR ENERGY. I THANK YOU AND I APOLOGIZE FOR OVERSTEPPING MY BOUNDS, BUT I DO GREATLY RESPECT THE ORDER THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR US TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. SO I HAD NO INTENTION TO TALK TONIGHT, WHICH OF COURSE IS WHAT ALWAYS HAPPENS. NOT ALWAYS, BUT OFTEN. I'M HERE FOR MY JOB. I'M HERE TONIGHT PERSONALLY. WELL, I WAS HERE FOR MY JOB. I'M NOW HERE FOR PERSONAL REASONS IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW. SO FIRST, I APPLAUD THE CITY OF STUART FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP TRAINING. I'M ALSO IN THE LEADERSHIP PROGRAM WITH THE MARTIN COUNTY CHAMBER, AND I WILL ACTUALLY BE WRITING, ALONG WITH ONE OF THE CITY OF 
          [02:45:05]
POLICE SOON. AS A PART OF THAT LEADERSHIP. I, OF COURSE, AM A FEMALE OF CHILDBEARING AGE IN MARTIN COUNTY. I WAS TRYING TO MAKE THESE COMMENTS DURING THE ACTUAL DISCUSSION OF THE HOSPITAL, BUT AS YOU STATED, IT'S KIND OF DIFFERENT TO HAVE COMMENTS KIND OF NOT OR IN REGARDS TO A PRESENTATION THAT WAS DONE VERSUS IN PUBLIC COMMENT, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT. 
          AND THIS IS NOT TO PLACE BLAME, BUT JUST AN OBSERVATION, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE SAY YOU. CLEVELAND CLINIC MUST KEEP THE OB OPEN. YOU MUST FIX THIS. YOU MUST KEEP IT HERE. I AM NOT DISPARAGING ANYBODY AS FAR AS. THE VARIOUS NGOS AND THE VARIOUS 500 AND 1C3 THAT DO EXCELLENT WORK, I AM NOT DISPARAGING AT ALL THE FACT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP AN OB GYN UNIT HERE IN MARTIN COUNTY. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT WHEN WE SAY NO GROWTH OR WE SAY SLOWER GROWTH, OR WE SAY NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MULTIFAMILY, OR WE SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THIS, THAT. AND THE OTHER THING, THERE MAY BE A SECONDARY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE TO THAT. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE WANT TO BE BROWARD. NONE OF US WANT THAT. HECK, I'M FOUR GENERATIONS, MARTIN COUNTY, SEVENTH GENERATION FLORIDIAN. NONE OF US WANT THAT. BUT THERE IS AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE TO SAYING WE DON'T WANT THOSE 60 UNITS WE DON'T WANT. I WAS PART OF THE PRESENTATION THAT CREATED OR BROUGHT AN APPROVAL FOR 60 UNITS ON CENTRAL PARKWAY. IT WAS HIGHLY CONTESTED AT THE TIME, AND I HAVE HAD PEOPLE ASK ME, HOW THE HECK DID YOU BRING THAT? HOW COULD YOU? IT'S BECAUSE I'D LIKE US NOT TO DIE. I'D LIKE US TO HAVE CHILDREN. I'D LIKE US TO HAVE AN OB GYN UNIT THAT DOES BIRTH 400 A YEAR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ROD PETERSON, PLEASE. MARK. YES. APPARENTLY, ROBIN CARTWRIGHT. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. I DROVE PAST THE COSTCO SITE THIS MORNING AND I ALMOST THREW UP. AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE THE COSTCO IS GOING IN, BUT BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER ABOUT COSTCO, BUT BECAUSE OF THE BEHAVIORS PERMITTED AND ENCOURAGED TO GET PROJECTS APPROVED. SOME EXAMPLES. COMMUNICATIONS ARE SHARED, SOME EVEN LABELED CONFIDENTIAL WITH DEVELOPERS AND THEIR EXPERTS, YET RARELY WITH THE PUBLIC. 
          STAFF TAKES THE WORD OF DEVELOPERS AT FACE VALUE WHILE IGNORING US. EVEN WHEN WE PROVIDE PICTURES AND VIDEOS. A DEVELOPER PAID EXPERT, LIKE AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT, CAN LIE ABOUT THEIR CREDENTIALS AND STAFF, AND SOME COMMISSIONERS WILL JUST BLOW IT OFF. WELL, WE'RE TOLD THAT WE ARE NOT AND CANNOT BE, EXPERTS LY SHARED BY A CERTAIN BLOGGER CONTINUED TO CREATE VITRIOLIC BEHAVIOR BY SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, AND WHEN THE CITY HAS BEEN ASKED TO ADDRESS THIS, IT'S JUST QUOTE, WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT GETS PUBLISHED. STAFF PRESENTS ONLY THE POSITIVE EMAILS WHILE NOT EVEN MENTIONING THOSE IN OPPOSITION. EVEN AFTER A PROJECT IS STARTED. WE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE LACK OF OVERSIGHT, AND THE REPLY IS THAT YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER OTHER AGENCIES ACTIONS OR OVERSIGHT. A DEVELOPER AND EVEN SOME HOMEOWNERS DON'T NEED PERMISSION, JUST A FRIEND ON STAFF AND MAYBE THE COMMISSION. 
          THERE ARE SO MANY MORE. BUT HERE'S THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY. AS PART OF HER RULING REGARDING THE CANNER, COULD THE ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE SAID SIX TIMES THAT THE CITY FAILED AND THERE HAVE BEEN NO IMPROVEMENTS AND NO CHANGES TO THE PROCESS? NOTHING HAS CHANGED. PRESENTATIONS ARE CREATED TO SUIT A NARRATIVE THAT ISN'T HONEST OR COMPLETE, USING PROPAGANDA AND MISDIRECTION WHILE FOSTERING THE AFOREMENTIONED VITRIOL AND ALLOWING AD HOMINEM ATTACKS. 
          INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON BEST PRACTICES AND SUSTAINABILITY. AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS. WHEN A DEVELOPER BUYS A PARCEL, THEY KNOW WHAT LAND USE IS ASSIGNED AND WHAT ZONING IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT. THERE IS NO BUY RIGHT WHEN THEY REQUIRE A LAND USE AND OR ZONING CHANGE, EVEN IF THEY ANNEX IT INTO THE CITY. ADD TO THAT HOMEOWNERS DOING MAJOR WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT, AND IT'S SHRUGGED OFF BY CERTAIN CITY STAFF. AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS BEING APPROVED, BUT IT'S UNENFORCEABLE. A PARKING DEFICIENCY WAS SOLVED, BUT NOT REALLY. BY CREATING TANDEM PARKING TONIGHT, AN APPLICANT WANTS A ZONING CHANGE THAT WILL SEEMINGLY EXEMPT THEM FROM COMMISSION APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN, AND COSTCO WILL OPEN. 
          NOTHING HAS CHANGED. IT SHOULD. HELEN MCBRIDE. HELEN MCBRIDE FROM FLAMINGO AVENUE I WAS HERE LAST MEETING AND SPOKE ABOUT 10TH STREET, AND THE CITY MANAGER SAID HE WAS GOING TO RIDE DOWN 10TH STREET. NOTHING HAS HAPPENED, BEEN DONE. AND I'M REPORTING BACK TO MY NEIGHBORS. 
          [02:50:05]
BUT WHAT HAPPENED AT THE LAST MEETING? I KNOW MR. MARTEL SAID IT WAS AT&T, BUT ACCORDING TO MY NEIGHBOR, IT'S A COMPANY OUT OF INDIANTOWN. BUT MIKE, DID YOU SEE THE MESS? I ACTUALLY HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF BOTH ISSUES. ONE IS THE CORD THAT'S HANGING DOWN, AND THEN THE OTHER IS LIKE THE HOLE, THE HOLE, AND THEN UP BY SAINT JOSEPH'S RECTORY. AND I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ADDRESS IT. 
          THE PROBLEM IS, IF WE MESS WITH THE CORDS RUNNING ALONG THOSE THINGS AND ANYTHING GOES OUT, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT BECOMES EVERY SINGLE PERSON'S CABLE AND PHONE AND EVERYTHING, THE WHOLE CITY. SO WE'RE THE BLACK CABLE WITH THE WIRES ON IT, RIGHT IN FRONT OF. RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH. NO, NOT RIGHT ON THE GROUND IN A HOLE. BUT THAT. RIGHT. THERE'S A HOLE WITH A CABLE IN IT, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE YELLOW, THE PINK HANGING DOWN. WELL, THAT BUT THE TWO THINGS ON THE GROUND SHOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. BUT IT'S NOT OUR MESS. IT'S THIS COMPANY'S MESS. 
          THE, THE BLACK STOOL, YOU KNOW, THE ROUND THING WITH BLACK WIRE ON IT. THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF SAINT JOSEPH'S RECTORY. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS DOWN BY PINE SCHOOLS OPENING. SAINT. SAINT MICHAEL'S AND BEHIND SCHOOL AND MR. MARTEL. MR. MARTEL, MILTON DID PUT SOMETHING THERE TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN. HE PUT THAT THING. BUT WE YOU KNOW, THEN I YOU KNOW, MY KIDS, THEY'RE IN THEIR 50S. BUT I LOVE ALL KIDS. AND MY NEIGHBORS ASKED ME BECAUSE THEY KNOW I COME HERE AND I LOVE MY NEIGHBORS, AND I'M GOING TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO KEEP AFTER THIS BECAUSE THE SCHOOLS ARE THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT OUR SENIORS HIGH SCHOOL. THESE ARE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS. SAINT JOSEPH'S AND J.D. PARKER. SO WE JUST APPRECIATE ANYTHING YOU CAN DO. 
          WE JUST IT'S BEEN LIKE THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. I, I WAS I JUST IGNORED IT. BUT NOW THESE THE YOUNG MOTHERS ARE CONCERNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. EMILY. WALTER LLOYD. YEAH. GOOD TO WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THESE COMMENTS, HE HE REQUESTED. IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE YOUR COMMENT DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, IT'S UP TO YOU. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS. I HAD INTENDED TO SPEAK ON 19, BUT LET'S GET IT. LET'S GET IT OVER WITH. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE'RE ALTERING ZONING FOR A PROPERTY OWNER THIS EVENING AND OR AT LEAST IN CONSIDERATION WHO I ASSUME DID DUE DILIGENCE WHEN THEY INVESTED IN THIS PROPERTY. AS IT IS, I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE. AND WE JUST HEARD IT FROM ANOTHER SPEAKER. DON'T DO ANOTHER COSTCO THING, PLEASE. I ASK YOU TO PLEASE ACT WITH CARE AND TO STUDY THE FUTURE PLANS OF WHAT THIS OWNER HAS INTENDED FOR IT TO KEEP CONTROLS ON THE EFFECTS IT MAY HAVE ON OUR ENVIRONMENT AND CULTURE. PLEASE DON'T ALLOW A PRECEDENT TO BE INTRODUCED WHICH WILL LEAD TO UNWANTED CHANGES TO OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          IN THE BEST SMALL TOWN CULTURE AS WE HAVE IT NOW. THIS I HAPPEN TO LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THE COSTCO. I'M EXPERIENCING EXTREME HEARTACHE AND MY QUALITY OF LIFE IS DEFINITELY AFFECTED. NOW. I UNDERSTAND IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BUT I AM QUITE SURE IT'S GOING TO BE ILL AFFECTED FOR QUITE SOME TIME, SO PLEASE DON'T KEEP DOING THAT. LET OUR LET OUR TOWN MAINTAIN A QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE ALL ENJOY. SANDRA NEWMAN. I AM SANDRA NEWMAN, LAKE STREET AND STEWART. I WAS HERE TO ADDRESS ITEM NUMBER 21. THE REDEVELOPMENT. I WAS HOPING TO HEAR ALL OF IT BEFORE HAVING TO SPEAK, BUT LET ME JUST READ WHAT I'VE WRITTEN SINCE IT'S I MAY HAVE TO LEAVE. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ORIGINALLY OUR PEOPLE WERE ON THE WATER NEAR SEWELL'S POINT, WHERE THERE WERE TWO MOSQUITOES MOST OF THE TIME. THEN IT WAS DECIDED THAT WE WERE THE BLACK PEOPLE MOVED TO A PROPERTY AWAY FROM THE WATER AND NEAR THE RAILROAD TRACKS. I WAS BORN HERE, AND I HAVE BEEN HERE IN STUART ALL MY LIFE. MY FAMILY IS HERE AND OTHER FAMILIES THAT HAVE NOT ASKED FOR VERY MUCH OVER THE YEARS FROM THIS CITY OR FROM THIS COMMISSION. WE HAVE LET YOU GO AND GET MONEY BASED ON US AND DO WHATEVER. SO OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, YOU HAVE USED ALL KINDS OF TACTICS TO GET US TO SELL OUR PROPERTIES TO YOU. IN 
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THE EAST STUART AREA. WE ARE PERFECTLY HAPPY THERE. WE DO NOT WANT TO SELL. THAT DID NOT WORK. 
          SO NOW WHATEVER YOU ARE PLANNING OR TRYING TO DO WITH OUR PROPERTY AND NOT PROVIDE FOR OUR PEOPLE TO HAVE A DECENT PLACE TO LIVE, OR THEY CAN AFFORD, WE APPRECIATE IT. IF YOU WOULD NOT DO THAT, WE DON'T WANT IT AND WE WILL OBJECT TO IT FOREVER. YOU HAVE TAKEN AWAY LIVING SPACES THROUGH THE TAYLOR PROPERTY, THE CHEROKEE PROPERTY, AND NOT GIVING US ANYTHING BACK. SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO BE WORKING ON WOULD BE TO STOP THIS REZONING, TO REMOVE SOME OF OUR PROPERTY, TAKE IT AND USE IT FOR BUSINESSES. IT APPEARS, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD EARLIER TODAY AND PUT IN FUNDING AND PROGRAMS TO INCREASE MINORITY OWNERSHIP IN THE EAST STUART AREA. WE NEED YOUR HELP, NOT YOUR REZONING. AND TO HELP US WITH BUSINESSES, SMALL BUSINESSES BEING BUILT IN THE EASTWOOD AREA, NOT LARGER BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER OUR PROPERTY AND CREATE NOISE LIKE A BUSINESS THAT WE NOW HAVE ON MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD. DON'T LOOK AT IT'S EAST STUART, FOR YOUR EXPANSION IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR TODAY TO SEE OUR NEEDS. WE'RE NOT WILLING TO SELL OR MOVE. WE NEED HOUSING AND SMALL BUSINESSES. THERE ARE FEW HERE WHO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO STAY THAT AGREE WITH ME. AND IF YOU ALL WOULD STAND NOW. PLEASE LOOK ELSEWHERE AND NOT AT EAST STUART. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE HAVE MICHAEL BENEDETTI. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MIKE BENEDETTI FROM PERIWINKLE CIRCLE I WANT TO MENTION TONIGHT I WANT TO LIE ON SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON OSCEOLA STREET AND THE R3 ZONING DISTRICT. RIGHT NOW I'M ON OSCEOLA AND GEORGIA. I WANT TO PROPOSE THAT WE CONSIDER ADDING BEAUTY SALONS, SPECIALTY SALONS AND BARBERSHOPS AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE R3 ZONING DISTRICT ITSELF. I FIGURE THAT NOW IN THE ZONING AND PROCESS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO BRING THIS UP, AND I THINK IT FITS. SALONS ARE APPOINTMENT BASED PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND ARE PART OF THE DBR. JUST LIKE VETERINARY MEDICINE ARCHITECTS AND INTERIOR DESIGNERS, ALL WHICH ARE IN THAT ZONE EXISTING RIGHT NOW. SALONS, THEY ALL HAVE SPECIFIC LICENSE REQUIREMENTS, JUST LIKE MASSAGE THERAPISTS WHO ARE ALSO PERMITTED IN THEIR. AND MANY MASSAGE THERAPISTS ALSO WORK OUT OF SALONS TOO IN THAT CATEGORY. I FEEL THAT IT'S NO MORE INTENSE THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY PERMITTED IN THE R3 DISTRICT, AND IN SOME CASES, SALONS MAY BE LESS INTENSE. ONE OF MY TENANTS WAS LABCORP FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND THEY WERE EXTREMELY INTENSE IN TERMS OF PARKING AND EVERYTHING. ALL THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDED. BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW, THERE'S THERE ARE SALONS IN THE R3. SO. SET. SARA SARA SALON IS IN THE R3 RIGHT NOW. IVY IS JUST TO THE NEXT PROPERTY WEST OF ME. THEY ARE IN THE URBAN DISTRICT IN MY SAME BLOCK. JUST TO MYSELF WAS A SALON, A BELLEZA BOUTIQUE WAS THERE ALSO. SO THEY EXIST IN THE AREA AND I FEEL LIKE THEY WOULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR THE AREA. FOR SMALL BUSINESSES AND INDIVIDUALS LIKE THAT. I CAN'T THINK OF ANY CONS. IT SUPPORTS THE COMMUNITY, SMALL BUSINESSES. IT FILLS A NEED AND LIKE I SAID, I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS IN ANY MORE INTENSE THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED. LIKE MR. CORBYN SAID EARLIER IN HIS PRESENTATION, SMALL BUSINESSES ACCOUNT FOR 80% OF LOCAL GROWTH TO IN THE AREA. SO IN SUMMARY, I'M JUST PROPOSING THE ADDITION OF SALONS, SPECIALTY SALONS AND BARBERSHOPS TO BE INCLUDED AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE R3 DURING THIS ZONING PROGRESS ERA. I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT 400 OSCEOLA? IS THAT THAT PROPERTY? YES. SO THAT WOULD BE B2, NOT R3. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOUR R3 IS RESIDENTIAL. I SEE ALL IN GEORGIA. YEAH. OSCEOLA AND GEORGIA. YEAH, IT'S RIGHT BEFORE THE CUTOFF THAT GOES TO THE BACK OF THE HOSPITAL, RIGHT? YOU GO. SATELLITE. SO HERE WE GO. SOUTH 
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EASTERN. THAT'S THE HOSPITAL. HE'S THIS WAY, RIGHT ON THE EAST SIDE OF GEORGIA. SO THAT'S 400 OF THE CORNER OF GEORGIA AND OSCEOLA THERE. SO THE R3 SO THE BROWN IS NOT R3. AND IF YOU CLICK ON THAT YEAH IT'S GOT HIM AS R3 MULTIFAMILY OKAY OKAY. YEAH. FAMILY OFFICE OKAY. THAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD OKAY. WE GOT IT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO HAVE A DAD OVER TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S LIKE AT THE EDGE OF THE IT'S NO IT'S ALL OF R3. SO THAT WOULD GO DOWN HERE ALL THE WAY DOWN EAST OCEAN DOWN OSCEOLA. 
          BUT HIS HIS NAME AND IT WOULD ALSO GO HERE AND HERE. HIS NEIGHBOR NEXT TO IT IS A HAIR SALON. RIGHT. WHAT'S THE DISCREPANCY? IT'S A USE ALLOWED IN R3. IT'S JUST IT'S NOT LISTED. USE NOT ENUMERATED. IT'S JUST YOU CAN ADD IT. CAN WE ADD THIS A CONDITIONAL D INDEED. 
          YES, SURE. DO ANYTHING WE WANT. YEAH. BECAUSE IF HE'S R3 THEN RIGHT NEXT DOOR THAT PROPERTY THAT WE OWN. WHAT IS THAT? THIS IS ONLY THE FIRST READING THAT. WELL, THIS THIS ISN'T R3 CHANGING THAT. THERE'S NO TEXT AMENDMENT TO R3 CURRENTLY IN THE FIRST READING, UNLESS YOU GUYS AMEND IT TONIGHT AND ADD IT AT R3. BUT WHEN YOU SAY RIGHT NEXT DOOR, SO WE NEED TO FIND IS THE ACROSS THE STREET. YEAH. SO THIS IS URBAN GENERAL. SO THIS IS WHERE THE SO THAT'S THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY ZONE ENDS THERE. RIGHT. SO WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT EXTENDING THE OVERLAY. WELL HE WAS ASKING US TO CHANGE R3 TO ALLOW HER TO JUST ADD A USE. YES. YOU COULD AMEND THE THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO URBAN OVERLAY MAP. BUT I ALSO DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO IT. THREE. YEAH. NOT NOT AS LIKE EXACTLY PART OF THE ZIP. IT'S NOT PART OF THE ZIP. IF WE NEED IT, I'LL TELL YOU THAT WE CAN BRING IT BACK FOR A DISCUSSION, BECAUSE THAT WOULD, IF WE CHANGE OUR THREE, NOT TO BE GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE OTHER GUYS. FOR CLARIFICATION, IT WOULD CHANGE. CITYWIDE. ALL R3 COULD INCLUDE HAIR SALONS, BUT IF WE JUST TAKE THAT URBAN ZONE AND MAKE IT ONE MORE PARCEL OVER NOW, YOU WOULD BE WITHIN THE URBAN. YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO HAIR SALONS THERE. WHAT WOULD IT PREVENT? WOULD IT PREVENT WHAT WAS THERE? AND ALSO AS IT WOULD CHANGE THE ZONING, BUT IT WOULD EXPAND USE MORE THAN IF WE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT. YES. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE STAFF BRING IT BACK. CLARIFICATION. 
          JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS BY PUTTING IT ON A D AND D, THAT MAKES IT SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AS PART OF THE ZIP. RIGHT. AND IF YOU SO IF IT WAS TURNED OUT IN THE D AND D THAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE A MAP AMENDMENT OR CHANGE THE ZONING IN R3 TEXT AMENDMENT, WE WOULD THEN GO BACK TO THE LPA. OR IF IT'S IN THE URBAN AREA, IT WOULD BE BACK TO THE CRA AND THE OR, CRB, CRA AND LPA, AND THEN COME BACK FOR TWO READINGS. SO IT WOULD BE PROBABLY AUGUST. YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHY I'M MENTIONING IT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE PROCESS. IT WOULD BE JUNE OR JULY BY THE TIME THAT'S THE PROCESS. YES. AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE COULD HAVE BEFORE SECOND READING. WELL, WE HAVE FIRST READING TONIGHT COMPLETELY THROWN OFF. IF THE IF THE BOARD VOTES TO DO A TEXT AMENDMENT TO ADD A USE TO R3, IT CAN BE INCLUDED. THAT OR I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE A MAP AMENDMENT THAT WE, THE LPA WOULD NOT TECHNICALLY WASN'T THE LPA WOULD NOT HAVE HEARD IT. NO, NO. AND THAT'S NOT ALLOWED. THE TEXT AMENDMENT COULD BE ALLOWED. BUT THE OKAY WE UNDERSTAND YOUR AND WE'LL WORK ON IT. CAN YOU CAN YOU BRING US BACK SOMETHING NEXT NEXT MEETING TO DISCUSS IT. THE TWO THE TWO OPTIONS. SURE. 
          OUTSIDE OF THE THREE MEETING. WELL, SO I BELIEVE YOU SENT US A NEXT MEETING. IT'S OUT. IT'S LIKE IT'S. IF YOU DON'T DO IT, IF YOU DON'T MOTION FOR SOMETHING TO BE INCLUDED IN A TEXT AMENDMENT TONIGHT, IT WON'T BE ABLE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE SECOND READING. SO IT'LL BE OUT ANYWAY. HE IS SAYING THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE WITH THE ZIP BECAUSE THE LPA DIDN'T HEAR IT. 
          WELL, THE MAP AMENDMENT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE WITH THE ZIP, BUT THE TEXT AMENDMENT COULD BE IN THE ZIP. IF YOU WERE ADDING A USE TO THE R3. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT INCLINED TO ADD A USE TO THE R3 AND YOU JUST WANT TO EXPAND THE THAT, THAT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE AND COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AS WELL, BECAUSE THE LAND USE BELOW THAT DOESN'T KNOW WHICH PROPERTIES ARE AFFECTED. SPECIFICALLY. DOWNTOWN ENDS WITH THAT PURPLE LINE IS. SO COULD WE DISCUSS THAT? ABSOLUTELY. NEXT MEETING. COULD WE HAVE THAT ON AS AN ITEM? SURE. SEPARATE FROM THE ZIP. 
          RIGHT. IT'S A NO. IT'LL BE LIKE A D AND D. SO WOULD THAT BE CITY INITIATED OR IS HE GOING TO BE INITIATING IT AS A ZONING CHANGE? IT'S RIGHT NOW IT'S A D AND D OKAY. SO BUT IS THAT 
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RIGHT. IT'S YEAH. THE LANDOWNER WOULD HAVE TO COME IN. IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE. YES. 
          FOLKS THAT ARE ASKING FOR A ZONING CHANGE TONIGHT IS ON US. ONE. YES. OKAY. SO NEXT MEETING WE'RE GOING TO UNPACK IT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A D AND D FOR YOU GUYS TO DISCUSS THE THING. BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU WANT US TO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO BRING BACK IS SORT OF THOSE TWO OPTIONS WHERE WE COULD BE EXPANDING THAT, THAT OVERLAY FROM URBAN. ONE MORE PARCEL OVER TO INCLUDE HIS PARCEL VERSUS CHANGING OUR THREE, JUST SO WE CAN REALLY UNPACK THE IMPLICATIONS OF BOTH. 
          WELL, BECAUSE THOSE WOULD BE THE TWO, THE TWO METHODS TO ACHIEVE THAT. CORRECT. RIGHT. BUT YOU ALSO I IT ISN'T AS ARBITRARY AS EXPANDING URBAN OVER ONE PARCEL IS IT'S IF THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO SAY WE WANT TO EXPAND THE URBAN OVERLAY ZONE, YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE BORDERS OF THE I MEAN, IT COULD BE ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL, OR IT COULD BE FIVE PARCELS DOWN. I MEAN, LIKE IT'S NOT IT WOULDN'T BE JUST FOR THAT PARCEL UNDER THE D AND D, WE WOULD JUST BE SAYING, HERE'S A MAP AMENDMENT, HERE'S A TEXT AMENDMENT. AND THEN AS FAR AS HOW FAR YOU WANT THE MAP AMENDMENT TO GO, THAT WOULD BE REALLY UP TO THE BOARD, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT ENDS. AND I ALSO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CRA ENDS, BUT I BELIEVE THE HOSPITAL IS IN THE CRA. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT R3 HAS TO BE IN THE CRA FOR IT TO REACH. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF, LIKE ILLINOIS AVENUE OR EAST OCEAN IN FRONT OF THE. THANKS TO COMMISSIONER CLARK'S POINT, THE NORMAL MO HERE WOULD BE FOR HIM TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION IF HE WANTED A ZONING CHANGE FOR THAT OVERLAY TO EXPAND OVER, RIGHT OR NO. OR HE COULD ALSO DO A CONDITIONAL USE, RIGHT JUST FOR THAT PARCEL. RIGHT. WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST EXPEDIENT HERE? WE CAN ADVISE HIM. WELL. I MEAN, IF THE MOST EXPEDIENT TO DO WHAT I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE IT URBAN CENTER, YOU IT WOULD TAKE PROBABLY LONGER BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT AND A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. IF IT WAS JUST TO ALLOW A BEAUTY SALON, HE COULD DO A PUD. I DON'T KNOW IF HE COULD DO A CONDITIONAL USE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK HE'S IN THE URBAN CENTER, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PUD APPROVAL TO DO THE HAIR SALON, WHICH IS WHAT SADA DID ON EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD AND BALBOA, WHICH WAS REFERENCED IN HIS COMMENT. AND IT'S SIMPLY A ZONING. YOU COULD DO A ZONING CHANGE AND REQUEST A CHANGE IN THE ZONING, OR YOU COULD DO A PUD TO A REQUEST, AN EXCEPTION TO THE ZONING OR WHAT'S BASICALLY CONTRACT ZONING. PERHAPS YOU SHOULD TALK TO STAFF AND WE'LL BRING IT UP ON WE'LL BRING BACK THE D AND D TO EXPLAIN THE MAP AND THING NEXT MEETING AS WELL. SO COULD YOU SET SO IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THEM TO TALK TO JODY AND START THAT. YEAH. WE HAVE BASICALLY. 
          OKAY. THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT I THINK IS YOU CAN'T PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE. SORRY. ON PAGE. SO WHAT THEY WOULD KIND OF INTRODUCE YOURSELF ON PAGE. BENEDETTI OKAY. HIS WIFE. SO WHAT WE'VE KIND OF UNDERSTOOD IS THAT THE BECAUSE OF THE ZONING IN PROGRESS, WE KIND OF STARTED THIS APPLICATION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BACK IN JUNE OR JULY. AND THEN THE ZONING AND PROGRESS HAPPENED AND IT KIND OF HALTED EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE DOING. SO THEN BECAUSE OF THIS, WE WERE LIKE, OKAY, WELL, ALL WE WANT TO DO IS ADD THIS VERBIAGE ESSENTIALLY TO ALLOWING SALONS, SPECIALTY BARBERS TO THE R-3 ZONING. SO IT'S AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY. IT'S NOT CHANGING ANYTHING. AS IN MASSAGE THERAPISTS ARE ALLOWED IN THEIR ESTHETICIANS ARE ALLOWED THERE. 
          LABCORP WAS IN THERE. SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE TRAFFIC FLOW. WE'RE NOT. BUT IT'S ALLOWING SMALLER BUSINESSES TO STILL BE IN THE CITY. I UNDERSTAND, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND, BUT OKAY, I WOULD TALK TO STAFF ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED AT THIS POINT. OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING WITH THE ZIP THAT'S HOLDING THEM UP, RIGHT? THE ONLY WAY TO DO A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE TO THE LDR WOULD BE FOR THE COMMISSION TO ADOPT AN L, A TEXT AMENDMENT. IF THEY WANT TO DO A ZONING CHANGE, THEY COULD APPLY FOR A ZONING CHANGE TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO A DIFFERENT ZONING USE. SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY ADD YOU'RE SAYING SALON, BUT THE TEXT AMENDMENT IS ZIP IS. YEAH. I MEAN YOU COULD DO IT TO JUST ADD THE USE TO R3. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE ALL. R3 DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF WHY OR WHY NOT? THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN R3? I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA. OKAY, TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS IT TONIGHT. I MEAN, I'LL BE I'M GOING TO LOOK IT UP RIGHT NOW, SO I'LL BE ABLE TO DISCUSS IT BY THE TIME WE GET TO IT. ALL 
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RIGHT. OKAY. WE'LL SEE. WE'LL WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENTS? I DO, ROSY SHEPHERD. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. AS YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THE ZIP, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY DISHEARTENED TO HEAR ABOUT A LOT OF THE CHANGES AND HOW THEY WILL AFFECT THE EAST STEWART COMMUNITY, FROM THE ABILITY FOR THE LANDOWNERS TO BUILD A DUPLEX TO A LOT SIZE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, A SMALL LOT SIZE, NOT BEING NON-CONFORMING AND THEN HAVING TO ASK PERMISSION FOR A SPECIFIC USE AND GROW. SO IF THEY'RE ZONED THAT WAY, AND THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTOOD IT. SO I FEEL, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE AND IT WILL BE DAMAGING TO THEM ON THE OTHER SIDE, I DO SUPPORT THE BDB. THEY I DO HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY GET THE BUDGET, THAT REQUEST THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. OH, I HATE TALKING PUBLIC, BUT THEY'RE REALLY CRITICAL FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE IN BUSINESS. HAVING THEM AS A RESOURCE HERE IN THE COUNTY. I DEAL WITH BUSINESS OWNERS EVERY DAY AND BEING ABLE TO SAY, CALL THE BDB, TALK TO THEM AND USE THEM AS A TOOL. I HOPE YOU DO CONSIDER STRONGLY OF CONTINUING THE SUPPORT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. JOE COOPER. GOOD EVENING, MR. COOPER. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COMMISSION. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. JOSEPH COOPER, 906 SOUTH EAST NINTH STREET. ANON AS AN AGENDA ITEM. 
          SO IT'S OUT OF ORDER DUE TO TIME. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AGENDA ITEM 21 TO BUILD ON WHAT MR. NEWMAN SAID. AND THE YOUNG LADY HERE TALKED ABOUT THE TEXT AMENDMENT CHANGE THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, HISTORICAL OWNERS OF THE LAND WITHIN THE HISTORIC COMMUNITY. I THINK WE SHOULD SLOW DOWN, FIGURE OUT, TALK TO THE STAKEHOLDERS. A CROSS SECTION OF STAKEHOLDERS, BECAUSE YOU WANT YOU'RE TRYING THIS TEXT AMENDMENT WILL ADVERSELY AFFECT THEIR ABILITY TO CHOOSE THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND ON THEIR LAND, WHETHER IT'S A COMMERCIAL. 
          SO WE KNOW HISTORICALLY THAT WAS A SEGREGATED NEIGHBORHOOD. EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CONSISTED OF BUSINESSES AND HOMES. THAT'S JUST HOW IT WAS, AND THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD STAY. YOU SHOULD HAVE AN ABILITY TO FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          BUT WE CAN SLOW DOWN. I KNOW THE TEXT AMENDMENT IS THE FIRST READING YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, BUT I THINK THAT THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES THAT WILL BE SUFFERED OR PEOPLE THAT OWN LAND IN EAST STEWART WILL BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY THAT. THERE'S A PROCESS THAT CAN BE UNDERTAKEN BY THE CITY THAT CAN ENCOURAGE INPUT FROM THE DAIS, AND INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY ACROSS SECTION TWO, BUT WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE LAND PLANNERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT CAN KIND OF SEE THIS KIND OF. AND I THINK IF WE DO THAT, THEN WE CAN GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS, WHETHER IT'S THE CITY OF STEWART AS IT RELATES TO GROWTH AND WHETHER THE CURRENT LANDLORDS AND HOW THEY WANT TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY. THEY NEED THE FLEXIBILITY. WE DON'T WANT TO KIND OF TAKE THESE RIGHTS. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE GOING INTO HANEY CREEK AND TAKING THE RIGHTS OF THE FOLKS IN HANEY CREEK. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO TO SELFISH POINT AND DO THAT EITHER. RIGHT? WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN WITH THIS. WHEN IT COMES TO THE BDB, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING AND GIVING ACCESS TO CAPITAL TO SMALL BUSINESSES. IF YOU START TO TAKE THESE TEXT AMENDMENT BUSINESSES THAT MAY WANT TO BUILD OR HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LAND IN EAST STEWART CAN'T DO IT. IF YOU TAKE THE TEXT AMENDMENT AND YOU KIND OF PUT IT IN THERE AND SAY THEY CAN'T, IT CAN ONLY BE A RESIDENTIAL, IT CAN'T BE, YOU KNOW, OR IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, YOU GOT TO COME GET PERMISSION. EVERYBODY'S BIG. EVERYBODY'S GROWN HERE. WE DON'T NEED PERMISSION BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE. YOU HAVE A PROCESS BY WHICH IF YOU BRING A PROJECT TO THE CITY OF STEWART, A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, IT GOES THROUGH THE DIFFERENT BOARDS, GETS THE LPA, CRB, IT GOES BEFORE THE COMMISSION. NOW WE'RE ADDING AN EXTRA LAYER FOR WHAT THE HISTORIC COMMUNITY. IT'S PROBABLY NOT RIGHT. I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD USE YOUR CONSCIENCE. I KNOW WE PROBABLY CAN'T STOP IT. AS MY DAD WOULD SAY, LET YOUR CONSCIENCE BE YOUR GUIDE. YOU KNOW, THE DAYS OF JUST TRYING TO DICTATE OR SAY WE KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR YOU. WE DON'T NEED THAT. WE'RE WE'RE LEARNED, FOLKS. EVERYBODY'S GOT A ABILITY TO RATIONALIZE AND BRING THINGS UP AND CONJURE UP AN IDEA OR AN ABILITY TO DEVELOP OR AND MAKE DECISIONS. AND SO WE NEED TO DEFINITELY. I NORMALLY DON'T GO OVER TIME, BUT I JUST WANT THE 
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COMMISSION TO, TO REALLY TAKE THEIR TIME, TAKE A STEP BACK. THERE'S A PROCESS IF THEY WANT. 
          YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT THE CITY CAN BE INVOLVED IN. THEY CAN INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY AND THEY GET THE STAKEHOLDERS. THEY CAN PROVIDE VERY VALUABLE INPUT ON HOW THEY WANT TO DEVELOP THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MR. I JUST I HAD A I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT OF MR. VICE MAYOR WE'RE WE'RE ABOUT TO GO TO BREAK. SO JUST IN CASE YOU GUYS WERE NOT GOING TO STICK AROUND, I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT EAST STEWART. QUICKLY. THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR EAST STEWART, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE ALL GOING TO VOTE ON TONIGHT, BUT WHAT I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR IS TO KEEP THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          OKAY. WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LATE 90S AND EARLY 2000 WAS THE EAST STEWART MASTER PLAN. THE CHARRETTE CAME TOGETHER AND DECIDED THAT THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD BE ALL MIXED USE AND RESIDENTIAL OFFICE EXCEPT FOR A SMALL SUBSECTION OF IT. THAT'S MORE TO THE EAST AND SOUTH SIDE, EVEN ON TARPON, EVEN ON, I THINK, BAHAMA JUST SECTIONS THAT ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WERE REZONED TO BUSINESS MIXED USE. THIS IS MY MAJOR ISSUE IS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF. MISCOMMUNICATION AROUND WHAT IS GOING ON. UNLESS YOU ARE A DEVELOPER OR YOU WANT TO SELL YOUR PROPERTY IN EAST STEWART, YOU SHOULD WANT THE ZONING IN THERE TO STAY SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR AS CLOSE TO IT AS WE CAN GET. BECAUSE IF IT'S GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, OFFICE OR BUSINESS MIXED USE AND YOU HAVE MULTIPLE VACANT PARCELS LIKE ON EAST AND SOMEBODY COMES IN BECAUSE THERE'S A BRIGHT LINE STATION, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE. THAT EAST STEWART MASTER PLAN COMES TO LIFE BECAUSE NOW THERE'S DEMAND FOR EAST STEWART. AND SO YOU HAVE DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND OFFERING A LOT OF MONEY TO PEOPLE TO SELL THEIR PROPERTIES, PIECEMEAL THEM TOGETHER AND TURN IT INTO A STARBUCKS ON THE BOTTOM AND BOUGIE APARTMENTS UPSTAIRS. I WANT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO REMAIN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE TO CONTINUE TO LIVE THERE AND NOT HAVE THE PRESSURE FINANCIALLY TO SELL THEIR PROPERTIES TO DEVELOPERS. SO I CAN APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS THAT COME UP AND THEY SPEAK TO ONE, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO SEE MORE DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN THERE. BUT I WANT THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOOD TO REMAIN SO THAT IF YOU STICK AROUND FOR THE ZONING AND PROGRESS CONVERSATION WHEN WE GET THERE TONIGHT, THAT'S WHAT YOU WILL SEE FROM ME, IS ADVOCATING FOR THE EXPANSION OF SINGLE FAMILY HOME ZONING, WHERE IN 2000, 1998 THROUGH 2004, WE CHANGED THAT FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO BUSINESS MIXED USE. SO THAT WAS ALL. I HAVE. STEPHEN COTTON, STEFAN. KEVIN. HI, I'M STEFAN COTTON. THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR THAT. MIKE. I'VE BEEN A 50 YEAR RESIDENT AND HAVE A COMPANY IN DOWNTOWN STUART FOR 42 YEARS. I BOUGHT A PROPERTY IN 2004 AND HAD A HALF ACRE EMPTY LOT ON IT. I TRIED TO SEE WHAT I COULD DEVELOP ON IT. I CAME TO THE CITY, DID EVERYTHING THEY ASKED FOR, SPENT A QUARTER OF $1 MILLION, GOT IT VIRTUALLY APPROVED, BUT THEY WANTED A VARIANCE FOR SOME KICK OUT BALCONIES. I AGREED TO PUT THAT IN. ANYHOW. LONG STORY SHORT, VIRGINIA SHERLOCK DECIDED THAT SHE WAS GOING TO SUE THE CITY IF I IF IT GOT APPROVED AND I IT QUASHED THE DEAL. A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I CAME AND SAID, WELL, LET ME SEE WHAT I COULD DO NOW, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY WAS SUPPOSEDLY IN DEMAND BECAUSE OF THE SHORTAGE OF HOUSING, AND THEY WANTED HOUSING IN. STUART. AND I DID A FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND I DID SOME OTHER STUDIES AND FOUND OUT THAT THE NEED FOR HIGH END, SHORT TERM RENTALS WOULD BE A GREAT PRODUCT, AND I DESIGNED THAT PRODUCT ON. I HAVE A 1.3 ACRES TOTAL, I THINK, AND I WAS ALLOWED PER THE PUD FOR ROUGHLY 38 TO 40 UNITS OF ONE BEDROOM SMALL TYPE UNITS. THEY WERE ALL DESIGNED AROUND ONE PARKING SPOT. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A NEED FOR PEOPLE GOING TO VISIT PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN AT THE HOSPITAL, PEOPLE GETTING THEIR DIVORCE, NEEDING A QUICK PLACE TO STAY, SUPPORT FOR HOSPITALITY, PEOPLE COMING OUT OUT OF SOUTH FLORIDA AND UP NORTH THAT NEEDED A SHORT TERM STAY DURING THE SEASON TO VISIT THE CITY AGAIN. I'M VERY 
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FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY AFTER BEING HERE FOR 50 PLUS YEARS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A CONSIDERATION FOR CHANGING THE PARKING FROM ONE UNIT PER UNIT TO 2.5, WHICH WOULD ABSOLUTELY KILL MY PRODUCT PROJECT AND MAKE THE PROPERTY NOT BE ABLE TO FIT THAT THAT USAGE. AGAIN, I THINK FROM A STANDPOINT OF REVENUE, THE CITY NEEDS TO BE LOOKING AT HOW DO WE GET MORE REVENUE IN THE CITY? EVERY TIME I HEAR ABOUT MEETINGS, IT'S THE REVENUE SHORTFALL. TO GET REVENUE SHORTFALL, YOU NEED HIGH, EXPENSIVE PRODUCT, YOU NEED BUILDINGS, YOU NEED THINGS THAT CREATE REVENUE ON A REPEATED BASIS. AND I'M SEEING HOW THIS IS SORT OF BEING DENIED NOW AND AGAIN. I THINK MY PROP PROJECT WAS WELL THOUGHT OUT AS A NEED FOR THE FOR THE COUNTY, FOR THE CITY, AND MADE A LOT OF SENSE. AND NOW I THINK IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY SCRAPPED BASED ON THE PARKING AND WHY WE WOULD WANT ONE AND A HALF MORE PARKING SPACES OF ASPHALT ON A 600 SQUARE FOOT UNIT. YOU DON'T. IT'S GOING TO BE ONE PERSON STAYING THERE AND ONE CAR OR A FAMILY WITH ONE CAR. WE JUST DON'T NEED IT. AND WE HAVE, AGAIN, OVERFLOW BASED ON THE ONE UNITS. BUT I JUST ASK EVERYBODY TO PLEASE LOOK AT BEFORE WE JUST DO THESE BLANKET THINGS THAT WE REALLY LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL IMPACT. AND IT WOULD FINANCIALLY IMPACT MY PROJECT GREATLY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, KIMBERLY MCCARTY GRANT. HI, KIMBERLY MCCARTY. WITH THE REZONING IN EAST STUART. THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE WHO OWN THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IN THAT AREA. MY FAMILY OWNS QUITE A BIT. I THINK IT'S AN ASSUMPTION OF KNOWING WHAT'S BEST FOR US, RATHER THAN CONSULTING WITH US ABOUT WHAT WE LIKE. SO AT THIS POINT, I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE I KNOW YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF THE INFORMATION. YOU KNOW WHO THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE. IF YOU COULD CONSULT WITH US SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HEAR ABOUT IT AND NOT ASSUME THAT YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR US. WE'RE QUITE CONTENT RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT'S GOING ON. SO BEFORE YOU MAKE CHANGES ON OUR BEHALF, WE WOULD JUST ASK THE JUST CONSIDERATION OF BEING CONSULTED WITH ABOUT THAT. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE THINK FOR OURSELVES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. WE HAVE NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE WHAT? WE HAVE NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK, 3.5 HOURS IN. SO WE'LL RECONVENE AT 20 OF TUESDAY, MADAM CLERK. OKAY. 20 OF OKAY. CALLING THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER AT 847. EIGHT 4745. SORRY. CAN I GET A MOTION FOR 
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APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR? PULLING ITEMS TEN, 11 AND 17. SO MOVED. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ALL IN FAVOR? I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION. FIRST. IF WE'RE DOING THAT, ARE WE READING? 19 FIRST, THEN. NO, NO, WE'LL DO AGENDA RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. BUT THEN WE'LL DO TEN AND 11 AND 17 BEFORE 18. WE'LL DO THEM IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY. SO WHEN I OKAY. WHEN I HAD ORIGINALLY MADE MY MOTION, BY THE WAY, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COMMISSION ACTION BASED. SO IN MY THOUGHT PROCESS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 19 FIRST. AND THEN THAT IS WHAT WE AGREED TO. NO, WE SAID THE CONSENT AGENDA COMES FIRST AND THEN HOLD TEN, 11 AND 17 FOR DISCUSSION. AND I SAID FOR COMMISSION, ARE WE ARE WE OKAY WITH FOLLOWING HIS LINE OF THOUGHT AND DOING JUST ON THE CONSENT AGENDA RIGHT NOW? STILL? OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT SO WE CAN DO 19 NEXT. YES. OKAY. THAT I THINK WAS THAT WAS OKAY. THAT PLEASES THE BOARD OKAY. BUT WE STILL NEED TO PULL APPROVED THE CONSENT CALENDAR AND PULL 1011 AND 17. YES. OKAY. SO ALL WE WERE ALL IN FAVOR? I KNOW YOU GOT A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. I'LL COME IN FROM THE. COMMISSIONER. REED. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. 
          YES, VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. JOB. YES, MAYOR. RICH. YES. NOW WE HAVE TEN, 11 AND 17. YOU CAN MOVE TO 19, IF THAT'S THE BOARD'S PLEASURE. APPARENTLY, THAT IS THE BOARD'S 
          [19. POLK STREET HOTELS, INC. (AKA FAIRFIELD INN HOTEL) AMENDMENT TO THE OFFICIAL ZONING ATLAS (REZONE) (QUASI-JUDICIAL) (RC): ORDINANCE No. 2537-2025; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY’S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REZONE A 0.33-ACRE PARCEL WHICH IS LOCATED AT 255 SW 6TH STREET FROM THE URBAN WATERFRONT ZONING DESIGNATION TO THE URBAN HIGHWAY ZONING DESIGNATION; PROVIDING DIRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
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PLEASURE. CORRECT. RIGHT. SO, MR. BAGGETT, WILL YOU PLEASE READ ITEM 19, ORDINANCE SECOND READING FOR OUR CONSIDERATION, PLEASE. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2537 DASH 2025, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY'S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REZONE A 0.33 ACRE PARCEL, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 255 SOUTHWEST SIXTH STREET, FROM THE URBAN WATERFRONT ZONING DESIGNATION TO THE URBAN HIGHWAY ZONING DESIGNATION, PROVIDING DIRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT. 
          PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. OKAY, DO WE HAVE A MOTION MOVE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2537 2025? IS THERE A SECOND? NORMALLY WE WOULD HAVE A PRESENTATION. PROBABLY. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE TO THE PRESENTATION. I CAN HOLD BACK MY MOTION. WE'RE ANOTHER QUASI. IT'S NOT LEGISLATIVE OKAY. THEY WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS FIRST OKAY. SO HOLD ON. WE DON'T HAVE TO THE CODE REQUIRED OKAY. JUST A DID THE COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER READ. DO YOU HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DISCLOSE? YES, I TALKED TO NIMESH PATEL TWO WEEKS AGO. I THINK IT WAS ON A SATURDAY EVENING. I THINK WE SPOKE FOR ABOUT AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF. COMMISSIONER JOB? NO, ACTUALLY, THEY NEVER REACHED OUT TO ME. COMMISSIONER CLARK, I HAVE NONE. I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND. VICE MAYOR. I'VE SPOKEN WITH NIMESH AND I HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH THE APPLICANT. I HAVE SPOKEN WITH CITY STAFF WITH REGARD TO THIS, WITH REGARD TO THIS ISSUE. CITY ATTORNEY, WILL YOU PLACE ANY POTENTIAL WITNESSES UNDER OATH? SURE. WE'LL ALL POTENTIAL WITNESSES FOR THE APPLICANT AND THE CITY STAFF, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE SWORN IN. DO YOU AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO PROVIDE IN THIS HEARING WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? ALL RIGHT. YOU MAY BE SEATED. OKAY. DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, PLEASE MAKE A PRESENTATION REGARDING THIS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JODY KUGLER, THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WITH THE CITY OF STUART. TONIGHT, OUR PRESENTING AGENDA ITEM 19, AN AMENDMENT TO THE OFFICIAL ZONING ATLAS TO CHANGE THE URBAN WATERFRONT TO URBAN HIGHWAY ZONING DESIGNATION AT 255 SOUTHWEST SIXTH STREET. PURSUANT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS ON DECEMBER 20TH 24, THE APPLICANT MAILED NOTICES TO ALL ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300FT OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL TO PROVIDE DETAILS OF THE REQUESTED PETITION AND THE DATE AND TIME OF TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING. IN ADDITION, THREE PUBLIC NOTICE SIGNS WERE POSTED ON THE PROPERTY WITH THE SAME INFORMATION. FOR CONTEXT, THE 0.33 ACRE PARCEL AT 255 SOUTHWEST SIXTH STREET IS CURRENTLY VACANT. THE SITE IS WITHIN THE URBAN OVERLAY ZONING DISTRICT AND THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA. THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT AND GENERAL USES PERMITTED INCLUDE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, OFFICE, COMMERCIAL RECREATION, LODGING, PUBLIC FACILITIES, AND CONSERVATION AND MIXED USE PROJECTS. THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS SURROUNDED BY THE DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT. FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. AS DEPICTED IN BLUE. THE EXISTING ZONING IS URBAN WATERFRONT, WHICH REFERS TO SPECIAL WATERFRONT ORIENTED USES INCLUDING MARINAS, RESTAURANTS, ENTERTAINMENT, HOTELS, AND HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. EXISTING MARINE INDUSTRIAL USES ARE CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED. THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS CURRENTLY ZONED URBAN WATERFRONT WITHIN THE CRA. THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST ARE ZONED URBAN HIGHWAY. THE PROPERTY IS TO THE EAST IS ZONED URBAN WATERFRONT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO PROPOSE THE 0.33 ACRE SITE TO REZONE TO URBAN HIGHWAY, AND OCCURS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SOUTHEAST FEDERAL HIGHWAY AS IT TRAVERSES THE URBAN CODE DISTRICT. THIS AREA ALLOWS LARGE FRONT SETBACKS AND HIGHWAY ORIENTED COMMERCIAL OR HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USES WITH GENEROUS PARKING LOTS. THIS. THIS PETITION WAS HEARD AT THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY. THEY HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 16TH, 2025, AND THE BOARD VOTED 
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UNANIMOUSLY, PASSED A MOTION TO FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY OF STUART, CITY OF STUART. 
          CITY COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL AGAIN. THIS ALSO WAS HEARD AT THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD ON FEBRUARY 4TH, AND THE BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY PASSED A MOTION TO FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY OF STUART CITY COMMISSION. THIS PETITION CONFORMS TO THE CRITERIA OUTLINED IN SECTION 11.01 .09 OF THE STUART LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, FLORIDA STATUTES, AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE CITY OF STUART. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY COMMISSION ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2537. DASH 2024 TO APPROVE THE REZONING. THE SUBJECT PARCEL FROM URBAN WATERFRONT TO URBAN HIGHWAY. THIS DOES CONCLUDE STAFF PRESENTATION. WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT IN THE AUDIENCE THAT ALSO HAS AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION. IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT, DOES THE PETITIONER WISH TO MAKE AN PRESENTATION OKAY? SURE. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. JARED GAYLORD, FOR THE RECORD, ON BEHALF OF POLK STREET HOTELS, I'M JOINED THIS EVENING BY NIMESH AND VISHAL PATEL, WHO ARE MY CLIENTS. YOU'LL RECALL I WAS AT THE COMMISSION MEETING BACK ON THE 27TH OF JANUARY, AND WE'RE BACK HERE TODAY FOR THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE. I'M GOING TO ASK JODY IF SHE CAN ASSIST. APPARENTLY, I HAVE A CLICKER TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THIS IS THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF US. ONE, IF YOU CAN SEE IT'S OUTLINED IN THAT RED LINE THERE JUST NORTH OF SIXTH STREET AND JUST SOUTH OF THE DUNE DOG. THIS IS A CLOSE UP OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE STRUCTURE ON THE WEST SIDE, CLOSER TO US. ONE IS THE FORMER FORMER FUNERAL HOME. AND THAT BUILDING CLOSER TO FRAZIER CREEK IS WHERE A CREMATORIUM WAS LOCATED. THIS IS JUST AN AERIAL TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A VANTAGE POINT OF THE VIEW FROM SOME OF THE PROPERTIES ON THE EAST SIDE OF FRAZIER CREEK, NOTING THAT WHEN YOU MEASURE OUT THAT DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE PROPERTY LINES IS ABOUT 70FT. AND THE OTHER THING THAT'S WORTH NOTING IS THAT THERE WILL BE THE PLANS DO INCLUDE ADDING VEGETATION ALONG THAT 100 FOOT OF WATERFRONT THAT DOES EXIST. 
          IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THAT PORTION IS NOT ZONED URBAN WATERFRONT. IT'S ACTUALLY ZONED URBAN HIGHWAY. THE PORTION THAT DOES NOT FRONT FRAZIER CREEK IS, STRANGELY ENOUGH, ZONED URBAN WATERFRONT. AND THIS IS ANOTHER VANTAGE POINT LOOKING TO THE EAST. THERE'S REALLY ONLY ABOUT TWO, MAYBE THREE HOUSES EAST OF THE CREEK THAT WOULD HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A FRONTING THE PROPERTY. AGAIN, THEIR THEIR VIEW CORRIDOR WOULD NOT REALLY BE CONDUCIVE TO SEEING THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE, WHICH WOULD BE CLOSER TO US HIGHWAY ONE. AND SO IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT TO SEE WITH THE SIX FOOT HIGH WALL THAT THEY HAVE PLANNED, AND ALSO THE VEGETATION ALONG THE CREEK. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, PICTURES OF THE EXISTING SITE. YOU CAN SEE THE FORMER FUNERAL HOME, YOU CAN SEE THE NOTICE SIGNS AND ALSO A PICTURE FROM THE REAR PARKING LOT THAT WOULD BE FACING TOWARDS THE URBAN WATERWAY PORTION OF THE SITE. THIS IS A SURVEY SHOWING THE PROPERTY. YOU'LL NOTE THAT THAT THAT LITTLE PORTION ON THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT WOULD BE THAT PORTION THAT FRONTS FRAZIER CREEK, SOUTH SIDE OF IT, WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY REZONING. IT DOES NOT FRONT THE CREEK. THIS IS THAT ENLARGED SURVEY. AGAIN, MY CLIENT'S PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN APRIL OF 2023 AND THEN JOINED IT WITH A UNITY OF TITLE SO THAT A REDEVELOPMENT COULD OCCUR IN MAY OF 2023. AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THIS CONFLICTING ZONING REGULATIONS, WE REALLY HAVE TO PICK EITHER URBAN WATERFRONT OR URBAN HIGHWAY. IF WE HAVE BOTH OF THEM ON THE PROPERTY, THERE ISN'T REALLY MUCH WE CAN DO WITH THIS SITE BECAUSE OF THE CONFLICTING REGULATIONS, NAMELY WHERE THAT PARKING LOT IS GOING TO GO. RIGHT? IT'S EITHER GOING TO GO IN THE FRONT OR IT'S GOING TO GO IN THE REAR. AGAIN, AS AS STAFF WENT THROUGH. THIS IS THE CURRENT ZONING DESIGNATION OF URBAN WATERFRONT FOR THAT BASICALLY 0.33 ACRES PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF THE PROPERTY IS 1.58 ACRES. AND THE PROPOSED JUST SO THAT IT'S CONSISTENT. SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT DISCREPANCY IN THE CODE. AND AGAIN, IT IS IN THE DOWNTOWN DESIGNATION. YOU WILL NOTICE THAT NORTH AND SOUTH ALONG US HIGHWAY ONE ON THE EAST SIDE. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER ZONING DESIGNATIONS AS URBAN HIGHWAY. THIS IS JUST 
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SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. THERE'S SOME OF THE DEFINITIONS OF URBAN, HIGHWAY AND URBAN WATERFRONT DESCRIPTIONS IN THE STEWARD CODE. URBAN HIGHWAY IS AN AREA THAT ALLOWS LARGE FRONT SETBACKS AND HIGHWAY ORIENTED COMMERCIAL OR HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL WITH USES WITH GENEROUS PARKING LOTS AND URBAN WATERFRONT REFERS TO SPECIAL WATERFRONT ORIENTED USES INCLUDING MARINAS, RESTAURANTS, ENTERTAINMENT, HOTELS, AND HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL URBAN HIGHWAY. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE FRONT BUILDING FACADE SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED PARALLEL TO THE STREET PROPERTY. MINIMUM SETBACK OF 15. MAXIMUM SETBACK OF 40FT. IT DOES. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE HEIGHT ARE THE SAME FOR BOTH WATER, URBAN WATERFRONT AND URBAN HIGHWAY. SO REGARDLESS OF WHICH ZONING DISTRICT IT IS, YOU'RE STILL ALLOWED FOUR STORIES, ALL PARKING LOTS. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ON URBAN HIGHWAY IT SAYS ALL PARKING LOT AREA SHALL BE LOCATED BEHIND THE REAR FACADE OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING, OR SCREENED FROM PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY BY A STREET WALL, TRELLIS OR OTHER SCREENING. AND THEN URBAN WATERFRONT. ANOTHER ANOTHER DIFFERENCE. I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THE PARKING RIGHT AND I'LL READ THAT NOW FOR URBAN WATERFRONT PARKING SHALL NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN TEN FEET OF THE FRONT AND SIDE PROPERTY LINES AND SHALL NOT BE LOCATED BETWEEN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING FACADE AND THE WATER. SO THAT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC FOR THIS PROJECT. THE OTHER THING TO NOTE IS THAT A VISTA SHALL BE DESIGNATED FOR URBAN WATERFRONT PROPERTIES ALONG THE SIDE OF A PROPERTY THAT PROVIDES AN UNOBSTRUCTED VIEW OF ANY PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THE SAINT LUCIE RIVER OR ANY OF ITS TRIBUTARIES. IT'S OUR POSITION THAT HAVING AN URBAN HIGHWAY DESIGNATION WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THOSE PROPERTIES ACROSS FROM FRAZIER CREEK. WE'RE GOING TO BE SITUATING THAT STRUCTURE CLOSER TO US, ONE FURTHER FROM THOSE FROM THOSE PROPERTIES. A LOT EASIER TO SCREEN THE STRUCTURE IF INSTEAD WE'RE PUSHING IT TOWARDS THE CREEK AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A VISTA THAT'S GOING TO OPEN IT UP, HAVE LESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR LANDSCAPING OR OTHER SITE WALLS SO IT WILL BECOME MORE VISIBLE. AND I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH ANY REZONING STANDARDS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE OR ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE. SO JUST TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING, NOT ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT. WE'RE SIMPLY TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING. SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? THIS ONE MIGHT BE FOR STAFF, IS THERE? I NOTICED DURING THE PRESENTATION AND STUFF HOW THE URBAN WATERFRONT DOESN'T NECESSARILY TOUCH WATER PER SE. ARE THERE OTHER PARCELS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT HAVE THE SAME ZONING THAT DON'T TOUCH WATERFRONT AT ALL BY CHANCE? NOT THAT WE'RE NOT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY AWARE OF. I ALSO DON'T KNOW IF THAT PARCEL DIDN'T TOUCH WATERFRONT WHEN IT WAS DESIGNATED AS URBAN WATERFRONT IN 1998. IT MAY HAVE BEEN THAT IT WAS PART OF A LARGER PARCEL, AND A PORTION WAS SOLD OFF. AND SO IT WAS SEPARATED. I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T DO A TITLE SEARCH ON IT. YEAH. SO I CAN TELL YOU THE PARCEL IF YOU COULD JUST SEE WHERE MY CURSOR IS. THERE WAS MAPS THAT SHOWED THIS AS BEING URBAN WATERFRONT, JUST PARCEL RIGHT HERE IN 2002. AND IT WENT ALL THE WAY DOWN THIS WAY OVER TIME. I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL TIME. EXACTLY. HAVEN'T FINISHED THE ANALYSIS, BUT OVER TIME IT DID GET CHANGE FROM URBAN WATERFRONT TO URBAN HIGHWAY FOR THIS AND FOR DOWN HERE TOO. AND WHEN YOU WHEN YOU SHOW THE BACK OF IT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROAD. YES. CORRECT. SO IT'S THE ENTIRE PARCEL, RIGHT. BUT SPECIFICALLY, ARE THERE OTHER URBAN WATERFRONT PROPERTIES IN THE CITY THAT MAY HAVE THAT ZONING THAT DON'T TOUCH WATERFRONT PROPERTY? SO I, COMMISSIONER, THE CITY ZONING MAP BEFORE THIS MEETING, IS THERE A WAY AND LOOKED AT IT. YEAH. JUST GO TO THE CITY ZONING MAP AND YOU CAN LOOK RIGHT AT IT. IN BLUE IS URBAN WATERFRONT. I DIDN'T SEE ANY. OKAY. I SEE FOUR ON THIRD STREET AND ATLANTA AVENUE. ARE THEY NOT ON THE WATER? THEY'RE NOT. DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY ON THE GIS MAP TO WHERE WE CAN FILTER BY ZONING DESIGNATIONS? YOU CAN. IT'S GOT THE STACK, BUT YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T SEPARATE THEM OUT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE CAN'T SEPARATE THEM OUT TO SEE WE'RE BASICALLY DOING WHAT I'M DOING IS BOUNCING AROUND. THAT'S IT THEN MR. VICE MAYOR. SO TO BOTH THE CITY MANAGER AND JODY'S POINTS, MY CONCERN HERE IS AROUND THIS 
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EATING UP OF URBAN WATERFRONT. THIS IS A VERY TRICKY AREA. WE GOT A LOT GOING ON. WE'VE GOT URBAN HIGHWAY, WE'VE GOT URBAN WATERFRONT, AND THEN WE'VE GOT URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT BEHIND IT. THIS IS VERY TRICKY. MY CONCERN IS WE ARE SLOWLY EATING AWAY AT THIS URBAN WATERFRONT AND TURNING THIS WHOLE THING INTO URBAN HIGHWAY. AND I, I WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE PERSONALLY CONTINUING TO EAT INTO THAT URBAN WATERFRONT ANYMORE. I THINK IT SETS A PRECEDENT WHERE WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING IF WE HAVE SORT OF LIKE WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER ON OSCEOLA, WHERE IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE, THIS IS THERE'S A LOT GOING ON RIGHT HERE. AND TO CHANGE THAT ZONING, I THINK COULD BE PROBLEMATIC. COMMISSIONER COLLINS, WOULD WE WANT TO SEE THIS, YOU KNOW, EATING INTO URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHERE DOES URBAN HIGHWAY STOP? SO. YES, VICE MAYOR, IF I MAY, THE PROPERTY THAT'S IN QUESTION OR THE PETITION, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY DOESN'T EVEN TOUCH. THIS IS A SEPARATE PARCEL FROM THIS ONE, I UNDERSTAND. SO IT'S NOT EVEN ON THE WATERFRONT AT THIS POINT, BUT BECAUSE TO CITY MANAGER'S POINT, THE PARCEL JUST, YOU KNOW, ABOVE IT AT ONE POINT WAS AND THEN BECAME URBAN HIGHWAY. AND THIS IS SORT OF THIS PROGRESSIVE EATING UP, YOU KNOW, AND TURNING WHAT IS URBAN WATERFRONT INTO URBAN HIGHWAY. JUST TO ADD, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I DID NOT RUN A TITLE SEARCH ON THIS, SO I DON'T KNOW. BUT JUST BECAUSE THAT PARCEL TO THE NORTH WAS URBAN WATERFRONT AT ONE TIME DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY WERE A PART OF A LARGER. BUT EVEN IF IT WASN'T, DO YOU DO YOU HEAR MY POINT OF YOU'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR CONTINUING TO DO THIS WHERE YOU'RE EXPANDING URBAN HIGHWAY? I'M NOT IN A VERY I'M NOT TRYING TO SET A PRECEDENT FOR ANYTHING TONIGHT. WELL, WE WOULD BE BY POTENTIALLY. BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS GET MY CLIENT TO HAVE ONE SET OF ZONING REGULATIONS. SO IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO HAVE THIS BE URBAN, I THINK ANOTHER OPTION THAT THAT IS, IS AVAILABLE IS FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME IN FOR A CONDITIONAL USE. SO IF FOR YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS THE BOARD'S PLEASURE THAT THIS WAS NOT APPROPRIATE, CHANGING THE ZONING, YOUR APPLICANT COULD COME IN FOR A CONDITIONAL USE. CORRECT? I MEAN, THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS NOT IT MAKES SENSE THAT THIS ONE SITE SHOULD HAVE ONE CONSISTENT ZONING REGULATION FOR IT. I APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. AND I JUST WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT AFTER LOOKING AT THE URBAN WATERFRONT ZONING, I CAN COUNT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN. EIGHT, 910, 11. IT LOOKS LIKE PARCELS THAT ARE ZONED AS URBAN WATERFRONT THAT ARE NOT TOUCHING THE WATER. MIKE, WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE, I GUESS, OR WHAT WAS THE GOAL FOR THE ZONING FOR URBAN WATERFRONT? WAS IT MEANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE THE VISTA WHILE THEY'RE WALKING THROUGHOUT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS OR DOWNTOWN? THE VISTA WAS ADDED BY COMMISSIONER HUTCHINSON. YEAH. 
          MARY. AND SHE WANTED IT SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE A VISTA THROUGH TO THE WATER. THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS A LOT OF THE SITUATIONS THE PROPERTY OWNER ORIGINALLY PROVIDES THE VISTA, AND THEN WITHIN ABOUT 4 OR 5 YEARS, THERE'S A HEDGE AND THE VISTA GOES AWAY. GOTCHA. OR THEY DON'T TRIM THE BUSHES OR WHATEVER IT IS, OR IT'S BETWEEN THE TWO PARCELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THE I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING, THE ZONING IS ALMOST IDENTICAL. IT'S JUST THE PLACEMENT OF THE PROPERTY AND WHAT THEY WERE SAYING WHEN THEY WERE DOING THE URBAN WATERFRONT IS THAT IN STUART, THERE'S A BIG MARITIME COMMUNITY AS WELL. AND SO THEY WANTED THE VIEW, LIKE WHEN YOU'RE IN DOWNTOWN ON THE BOARDWALK LOOKING AT THE COASTLINE, THEY DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE ALL PARKING LOTS IN THE BACKS OF BUILDINGS. THEY WANTED THAT TO BE KIND OF THE FRONT YARD PROJECTING ONTO THE RIVER OF A, YOU KNOW, OF THE PRESENTATION. SO IN THIS INSTANCE, IF IT IS URBAN WATERFRONT, WHOEVER BUILDS ON THAT PROPERTY WILL HAVE TO PUSH WHATEVER THE STRUCTURE IS ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE CANAL. AND SO THEN THE BUILDING WOULD BE UP AGAINST THE CANAL SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD CROSS THE CANAL WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY CLOSER TO THE STRUCTURE. IF IT'S URBAN HIGHWAY, THE EXACT OPPOSITE HAPPENS, AND THE STRUCTURE IS MOVED UP TO THE SIDEWALK NEXT TO THE HIGHWAY, AND THEN THE PARKING GOES BEHIND THE STRUCTURE, WHICH WOULD BE AWAY FROM THE CANAL. AND, YOU KNOW, AND AS FAR AS IT GOES, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE PARCEL THAT'S IN QUESTION TONIGHT IS ONE OF THREE PARCELS THAT WERE CONSOLIDATED INTO A, INTO ONE PARCEL. SO IT COULD BE AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THIS WOULD BE THE CASE. BUT 
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IF THE COMMISSION DIDN'T TAKE ACTION, YOU COULD END UP WITH A DEVELOPMENT STILL ON THE OTHER TWO PARCELS THAT JUST KIND OF IGNORED THIS PARCEL, AND IT WOULD PROBABLY END UP WITH LESS LANDSCAPING AND LESS DESIGN. BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT THAT'S MORE SPECULATION THAN ANYTHING ELSE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? WITH LESS DESIGN. WELL LESS LANDSCAPE. WELL, RIGHT NOW I'M LOOKING AT IT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SQUARE FEET OR IF IT'S AN ACRE OR TWO ACRES OR WHAT IT IS. BUT IF I CARVED OUT THE URBAN WATERFRONT TO JUST GO FORWARD WITH STRAIGHT ZONING, AN URBAN HIGHWAY, I WOULD TAKE THAT SQUARE OUT AND STILL DESIGN WHATEVER URBAN HIGHWAY WOULD ALLOW, AND THEN YOU COULD END UP WITH ANOTHER. ENTITY COMING FORWARD. AND IF SOMEBODY CAME FORWARD WITH JUST THE URBAN WATERFRONT SQUARE AND SAID, OKAY, I WANT A STRAIGHT ZONING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE YOU KNOW, HOW THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE VISTA, BUT THAT'S THEY'D STILL HAVE TO MEET CODE. RIGHT. AND I THINK TO IT IT WOULDN'T BE A BAD STEP, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TO PUSH ON THE POSSIBILITY OF CONDITIONAL USE, IT WOULD GIVE THIS COMMISSION THE ABILITY, CONSIDERING HOW MUCH IS GOING ON IN THIS VERY SMALL AREA. IT WOULD GIVE THE ABILITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE INPUT. IT WOULD GIVE THE ABILITY FOR THIS COMMISSION TO HAVE INPUT OVER ULTIMATELY WHAT WENT THERE, IF THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS SOMETHING YOU WERE OPEN TO DOING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS SATISFIED. SO JUST GIVE YOU MY THOUGHTS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NOT A REZONE TODAY, BUT YOU GUYS COMING IN FOR CONDITIONAL USE. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SO NO MATTER WHAT USE. ONE OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS SITE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE TRAFFIC GOING NORTH. COMING AROUND THAT CURVE. IT'S DANGEROUS ENOUGH FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE HERE, BUT FOR TOURISTS OR MAYBE ENJOYING THEMSELVES, I REALLY WORRY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IF YOU HIT THAT LIGHT AND IT'S GREEN, YOU ARE REALLY MOVING. IF WE WERE TO GRANT THE CHANGE, YOU COULD PUT THE ENTRANCE NO MATTER WHAT YOU BUILT THERE ON SIX OFF OF SIX, CORRECT? RATHER THAN RIGHT ON US. ONE. I BELIEVE THAT THERE I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRIMARY ENTRANCE OFF OF US ONE AND THEN AN ANCILLARY ENTRANCE OFF OF SIX AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN. BUT THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE SITE PLAN AND THE STAFF'S REVIEW AND APPROVAL, NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE ZONING HEARING TODAY. OKAY. OKAY. I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. OH, NO. I'M SORRY. HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE CREEK IN THOSE? I HAVE SPOKEN TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE CREEK, AND I BELIEVE MY CLIENT HAS REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THEM AFTER THIS HEARING. AND WHEN THE SITE PLAN IS FORMALIZED. I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH JODY THAT WE HAD SET UP A COMMUNITY MEETING. SO HAVE THEY EXPRESSED A PREFERENCE? HAVE THEY EXPRESSED A PREFERENCE? I CAN TELL YOU SEVERAL OF THEM ARE HERE. OKAY. LET ME SPEAK. THEY EXPRESSED A PREFERENCE. WOULD THEY RATHER SEE THE BUILDING UP ON THE CREEK, OR WOULD THEY RATHER SEE IT ON THE ROAD? THEY HAVE NOT EXPRESSED ANY PREFERENCE EITHER WAY. FROM WHAT I HAVE GATHERED, MY COMMUNICATIONS WITH THEM, THEY ARE MORE, YOU KNOW, HUNGRY FOR INFORMATION RATHER THAN OBJECTING. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S BEEN AN OFFICIAL LETTER OF OBJECTION GIVEN TO THE TO THE CITY. THERE'S JUST BEEN MORE. 
          WE'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHY MY CLIENTS AND I ARE WILLING TO MEET WITH THEM ONCE THIS PROCESS. DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT, MR. MARTEL? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OBJECTION BEING FORMALLY FILED AS WELL. AND THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR IS NODDING NO AS WELL. 
          CHAIR. CHAIR. RICH. SO AT THE AND I FAILED TO MENTION THIS, BUT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR PLANNING THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY, THE BOARD DID REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT SET UP A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ONCE THE PETITION OR THE REZONING, SO THEY CAN HAVE MEET WITH THEM, AND WE WOULD HOLD IT IN THIS COUNCIL, IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, AND WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THEM, GOT THE ADDRESSES. SO ONCE WE HEAR THE FINAL, WE WILL BE HOLDING A PUBLIC MEETING WITH THEM OR A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. COMMISSIONER REED, WHAT COMMENTS DID THE LPA MEMBERS HAVE OR WHAT WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATION? THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO APPROVE THE REZONING RECOMMENDED TO THE CITY COMMISSION WITH WITH A REQUEST THAT WE MEET WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ONCE WE GET THE FINAL DESIGNS, BECAUSE A LOT OF YOUR URBAN GUIDELINES ALREADY ADDRESS A LOT OF THE ESTHETICS, ESSENTIALLY, LIKE IF IT'S IF IT 
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IS URBAN HIGHWAY AND IT'S PUSHED UP TO THE FRONT OF THE, THE US, ONE SIDE, EVEN IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, THEY CANNOT EVEN EXPOSE ACS. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO SCREEN THOSE. THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO DEVELOP BALCONIES. SO IT GIVES THEM ESTHETICS ALL AROUND THE ENTIRE BUILDING. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOUR URBAN OVERLAY DOES REQUIRE. THEY'RE NOT EXEMPT FROM THAT. BOTH BOTH BOTH WATERFRONT AND URBAN HIGHWAY REQUIRES THAT YOUR URBAN HIGHWAY ALSO HAS WHERE YOU ADOPTED THE US ONE CORRIDOR TREE PLANTING PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE TO EXPAND ALONG US ONE. AND THEY'RE GOING TO EXPAND IT DOWN TO SIXTH STREET AS WELL. SO IT KIND OF GIVES YOU THAT LUSH LANDSCAPING ALONG SIX AND ALSO ALONG US ONE. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YEAH, I WOULD JUST I WOULD HATE TO SEE THIS END UP WITH A PARKING LOT AND THEN THE BUILDING IN THE BACK. I DON'T IT'S UGLY FROM THE ROAD AND IT'S UGLY TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ACROSS FRAZIER CREEK THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO REHAB FRAZIER CREEK AND MAKE IT A USABLE WATERWAY. SO THAT WOULD BE TOO BAD. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. I ASK YOU A QUESTION. YEAH. SO I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN OR ANYTHING. WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT. THE ZONING, THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE OF THE ZONING WITH THE OTHER SURROUNDING AREA. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE WHETHER OR NOT IT IT MEETS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND THE CONTIGUOUS ISSUE THAT'S THERE. AND OF COURSE THOSE ARE THE BLUE ONES ARE THERE. AND OF COURSE WE HAVE THE CHANGES WHERE ALONG THE URBAN, THE HIGHWAY, WE HAVE ALL THOSE HIGHWAYS. I THINK FOR CONTIGUOUS SAKE. AND AGAIN, NOT LOOKING AT THE PLAN ITSELF, BUT YOUR COMMENT THAT YOU HAD MAYOR ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IF SOMEBODY PUTS SOMETHING ON THAT PROPERTY WHICH HAS A UNITY OF TITLE SO THEY CAN BUILD ON THE BOTH PARCELS, BUT THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT WILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. IF, IF, IF WE PUT A BUILDING ON THE FRONT SIDE AND DO WHAT WE HAVE SET OUT TO DO IN OUR DOWNTOWN PLANNING AND OUR HIGHWAY PLANNING TO LET BUILDINGS COME UP AGAINST THE HIGHWAY AND THEN HAVE PARKING IN THE BACK. WHAT IS THE MAJOR PROBLEM THAT'S THAT'S MAKING THE PARKING OR ANYTHING, THE PARKING OR LANDSCAPING THAT COULD GO INTO BOTH OF THOSE CURRENT ZONING CHANGES. WHAT IS IT THAT'S CAUSING A PROBLEM? WOULD IT BE BECAUSE THE, THE, THE ANY PARTICULAR BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD ALSO ENCROACH ON THE OTHER? THE BOTH ZONING WOULD BE USED. THIS IS NOT A SITE PLAN REVIEW. I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT I'M SAYING THAT SHOULDN'T BE ANYTHING CAUSING A PROBLEM. OKAY, ALRIGHT, SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TRYING TO GET IT COMPATIBLE. I FIND IT COMPATIBLE. I FIND IT MEETS THE COMP PLAN REQUIREMENTS LIKE STAFF PRESENTED, AND THE LPA HAS RECOMMENDED THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS. AND THE CRB SAID THAT IT MET THE REQUIREMENTS ALSO. AND I REALLY THINK AT THIS INSTANCE WE SHOULD FOLLOW THEM AND IF ANYTHING HAPPENS, IT WILL BE LATER ON SORTED OUT IN ANY SITE PLANNING. BUT I KNOW WITH REGARD TO ZONING AND COMPATIBILITY AND CONTIGUOUSNESS WITH THE AREA, WITH WHAT'S ON THE REST OF THE PARCEL THAT'S ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE, THE, THE SAME PERSON I AM, I AM AGAIN GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. HOLD ON. NOT YET. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'LL JUST LEAVE MY DISCUSSION AT THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE LPA AND THE CRB. OKAY. DO YOU WISH TO OFFER ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BEFORE CONCLUDING YOUR PRESENTATION? NO, I WOULD JUST I WOULD JUST ASK THAT THE COMMISSIONERS, WHEN THEY VOTE ON THIS, THAT THEY LOOK AT YOUR REZONING STANDARDS, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU BASE YOUR VOTE ON. THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE US, NOT WHETHER WE COULD COME IN WITH A DIFFERENT PLAN. IT'S DO WE MEET THESE SET OF CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE? IF YES, THEN IT SHOULD BE APPROVED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. SO THE PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE HAS ENDED AND THE HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE? MADAM CLERK, I DO NOT. OKAY. DO YOU WISH TO MAKE CLOSING REMARKS, SIR? OKAY, SO I WAS LOOKING FOR A MOTION. OKAY. AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'M MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2537 DASH 2025. BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT'S CONTIGUOUS TO 
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THE TO THE TO THE OTHER ZONING DESIGNATION THAT IT'S ASKING TO GO INTO. IT'S IT MEETS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REQUIREMENTS, OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS. AND IT AND I THINK IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA. AND THE CRB HAS RECOMMENDED IT FOR OUR APPROVAL. AND THE LPA HAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL ON THE CONDITION THAT AFTER IT'S AFTER IF THIS PROJECT IF THE ZONING IS APPROVED BY THE BOARD, THAT THEY MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS. AND I'M ALSO INCLUDING THAT IN MY MOTION AS A CONDITION. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO THAT OR JUST KEEP THE ZONING SEPARATE. IS THAT RIGHT? MR. YEAH. YOU CAN'T MAKE. YES, JUST I'LL MAKE IT. I'LL JUST HONOR THE ZONING. I'M GOING TO LEAVE OUT THAT PART ABOUT MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. IS THERE A SECOND? SEEING? NO SECOND. THE MOTION FAILS. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS REQUEST AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING. 
          IS THAT APPROPRIATE? ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. WHAT? WHAT? YEAH, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION ON IT BECAUSE I'LL SECOND IT. BUT WE HAVE A MOTION. COULD YOU STATE YOUR MOTION VERY CLEARLY? MY MOTION WOULD BE TO DENY THIS REQUEST. OKAY. WELL, THE REQUEST NO LONGER IS TO CHANGE THIS, TO CHANGE THIS ZONING, TO DENY ORDINANCE NUMBER 25, 3720, 25, OTHERWISE. AND HE SECONDED IT OTHERWISE, THIS WILL THIS WILL JUST SORT OF SIT OUT IN PURGATORY. IF WE DON'T CAN I, CAN I CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND A MOTION ON THE SECOND. YES. HE SECONDED IT. YEAH. HE'S IT. SO SOMETIMES IF THERE'S A DENIAL ON THIS PARTICULAR THING IT'S NOT A COMPLIANT WITH THE REZONING. YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT WILL STAY OUT THERE BUT THAT IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT THEM FROM COMING BACK WITH, WITH WITH SOMETHING ELSE. BUT THE THING IS THAT IF WE ASK FOR IT TO, TO MAYBE BE RE TABLED OR SOMETHING THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO AT LEAST DEAL WITH SOME ISSUES, WELL, WE'VE RAISED NO ISSUES IF YOU, IF WE DENY IT. LIKE I SAID, MY HOPE PERSONALLY IS THIS COMES BACK AS A CONDITIONAL USE PROJECT FOR US TO AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE A SAY IN WITH THE TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, YOU GET TO HAVE ALL YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S ALL AROUND THERE. THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON THERE. I WOULD IF IT'S DENIED TONIGHT, THE APPLICATION WILL BE DEEMED COMPLETED AND THE MATTER WILL BE ENDED. AND IF THEY WANTED TO COME BACK WITH A CONDITIONAL USE, THEY WOULD NEED TO FILE A NEW APPLICATION AND START OVER. RIGHT. AND YOU GET TO ASK, YOU KNOW, AND I DIDN'T. YOU'RE SAYING IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THE NEGATIVE MOTION, IF I THINK IT'S COMPLETED, THE APPLICATION IS OVER, WHETHER IT'S GRANTED OR DENIED, IT'S OVER. IF IT DOESN'T PASS TONIGHT, IF IT DOESN'T PASS TONIGHT, IT'S TECHNICALLY NOT OVER. THEY COULD COME BACK AND AMEND IT IF THEY WANTED TO OR DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK YOU'RE GETTING CAUGHT UP ON IT BEING A NEGATIVE MOTION. YES. I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BEEN BETTER TO STICK WITH THE ORIGINAL MOTION AND HAD IT SECONDED AND HAVING THE VOTE THAT WAY THIS ACHIEVES THE SAME EFFECT. YEAH, BUT NO THIS. BUT NORMALLY YOU DON'T. YEAH. THE OTHER MOTION DIDN'T PASS. IT WOULD BE STILL OUT THERE AND NOT FINISHED. WHEREAS THIS IS TERMINATING IT OR THAT SOMEONE HAD SECONDED IT. JUST BECAUSE YOU SECOND THE MOTION DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT. IT JUST BRINGS THE QUESTION AT ISSUE TO BE VOTED ON. SO. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY IN THE FUTURE, IT'S PROBABLY BETTER JUST TO VOTE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE, VOTE AGAINST IT. YOU JUST VOTE AGAINST IT, NOT RAISE A NEW MOTION, A NEGATIVE MOTION. 
          THAT'S WHY I THINK YOU'RE GETTING CAUGHT OR NOT PERVERTED. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SEE? NO PUBLIC COMMENT. I GUESS WE'RE READY FOR. TO CLARIFY, THE MOTION IS TO DENY THE ORDINANCE APPROVAL. CORRECT? CORRECT. SO YES WOULD BE DENIED. 
          OKAY. I GUESS DO WE HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE GET TO THE VOTE? EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS OKAY OKAY. COMMISSIONER JOB PLEASE. I'M SORRY. SO LET'S EXPLAIN A NEGATIVE VOTE HERE. JUST REREAD THE STORY. SO YOU NEED TO VOTE. YES. YES. YOU'RE VOTING YES TO SAY NO. THANK YOU. YES. THAT'S WHY NEGATIVE RIGHT OR MOTIONS ARE OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          NOT DESIRABLE. JUST RE-EXPLAINING THAT I VOTE YES. OKAY. COMMISSIONER CLARK, NO. 
          VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES. MAYOR. RICH. NO. COMMISSIONER REED. YES. MOTION FAILS, MOTION 
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PASSES. I'M SORRY. THE NEGATIVE MOTION PASSES. MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION. THE ZONING APPLICATION IS DENIED. YES. OKAY. THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE GOING BACK TO GOING TO 18? ARE WE GOING ON TO 18? OKAY. WHAT ABOUT THE ITEMS THAT WERE PULLED FROM THE CONSENT? WELL, I WE ARE GOING TO GO TO THEM AFTER 19. OKAY. ISN'T THAT THE WILL. NO, NO. FORGIVE ME. I'M. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO 1011. I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO REVERSE 18 AND 19. YES, SIR. WE WERE GOING TO GO NEXT. HE WANTE. 
          JOHN WANTED TO PUT 19 BEFORE THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE PULLED FROM CONSENT, NOT 18. RIGHT. HE 
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JUST WANTED TO. OKAY, FINE. LET'S GO TO TEN. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS QUESTIONING. MR. BAGGETT, WILL YOU READ ITEM TEN FOR OUR CONSIDERATION? SURE. WHERE ARE YOU ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR? ITEM TEN. NUMBER TEN, THE BDB THAT WERE PULLED TEN, 11 AND 17. AND THEY WILL BE IN ORDER JUST TO CONFIRM THAT THEY WILL BE IN ORDER. RESOLUTION NUMBER 16, DASH 2025, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING A CONTRIBUTION OF AID TO THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD OF MARTIN COUNTY, INC, FOR THE 2025 FISCAL YEAR IN THE AMOUNT OF UP TO $25,000 FOR PROGRAMS AND INITIATIVES SERVICING BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF STUART, SUBJECT TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE CONTRIBUTION OF AID AGREEMENT, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. JIM KOWALSKI, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR. LET'S TALK ABOUT BDB. SO THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN START THIS IS TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY. WE'VE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD OF MARTIN COUNTY LONGER THAN I'VE HAD MY HANDS ON IT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. I WAS WORKING WITH PAUL NICOLETTI IN 2013 AND WE KIND OF ADOPTED THIS. THERE WAS AGREEMENTS THROUGH THAT. THE BDB FORMED. WHEN WAS THE BDB FORMED AND IT WAS FORMED BY THE COUNTY. IS THAT CORRECT? THE COUNTY COMMISSION, IT WAS THE ECONOMIC COUNCIL, ACTUALLY, BUD JORDAN AND A GROUP OF MEN THAT CREATED THE ECONOMICS COUNCIL APPROACHED THE COUNTY. AND A BDB IS A STRUCTURE THAT A LOT OF COUNTIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE, AND THEY PRESENTED IT TO THE COUNTY AND ASKED THE COUNTY TO CREATE IT. AND IT WAS CREATED. AT LEAST THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. SO AND THAT WAS AGAIN, FORGIVE ME, WHAT DATE LIKE 91? AND WHEN DID THE CITY START? ADDITIONALLY, FUNDING BEYOND THE COUNTY'S FUNDING? I DON'T HAVE THE BEGINNING DATE 2013 I KNOW THAT I WAS HERE IN 2013 AND IT WAS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE BEFORE THEN. OKAY, SO IT WAS IN EXISTENCE BEFORE I STARTED WORKING WITH PAUL DIRECTLY. YOU KNOW, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW THAT. OKAY. BUT I WANT TO SAY FIVE YEARS. YEAH. FORGIVE ME. I DRAG IT OUT FIVE YEARS. I BELIEVE IT WAS DURING THE REORG WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN AROUND EITHER 9 OR 11. RIGHT. IN THAT ERA. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. MAKES SENSE. SO THIS FORM, THIS AGREEMENT HAS TAKEN ON MANY FORMS THROUGHOUT THE TIME PERIOD HERE. WE USED TO HAVE SOME DELIVERABLES, AND IT WAS BASED UPON THE DELIVERABLES THAT WERE SET EACH YEAR. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE DELIVERABLES WERE? MATTER OF FACT I DO. YES. 
          IT WAS LIKE THEY HAD TO COME AND DO A PRESENTATION EVERY QUARTER AND UPDATE AND GIVE US INFORMATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT WASN'T ANY SPECIFIC. I NEED A BUSINESS BILL TO PUT ON THE SPOT, BUT IT WAS UPDATES AND WORKING WITH THE CITY. AND THEN AT ONE POINT IT WAS $50,000. IS THAT CORRECT THAT WE 6060? YEAH. IT GOT. DOWNSIZED TO 50. YEAH. AND THEN THIS LAST TIME WHAT WE DID IS JOAN HAD AN IDEA ABOUT BEING ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND CREATE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF MEMBERSHIP. SO THERE WAS A LEADERSHIP LEVEL WHICH WAS $10,000. AND THAT WAS BASICALLY SELECTED BECAUSE OF INDIAN TOWN, BECAUSE INDIAN TOWN CONTRIBUTED $10,000 AS WELL. SO WE'VE BEEN RUNNING WITH THAT MODEL FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS ANYWAYS. YEAH. SO THIS IS REALLY KIND OF A FORMALITY. AND SO IT'S YOU'RE YOU'RE ABOUT BEING ABLE TO LIKE TEN SLASH 15. WE'VE SORT OF HAD THESE DIFFERENT ARRANGEMENTS ALONG THE WAY. YEAH. YEAH. AND IT'S BEEN TEN NOW FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. AND THEN THERE'S A $15,000 ADDITIONAL AMOUNT THAT YOU'VE BUDGETED FOR UNDER YOUR BUDGET IN WHICH IF THE BDB AND THE CITY AGREES ON ADDITIONAL PROJECTS, THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT THOSE PROJECTS AND THEN THEY WOULD BE CONTRACTED. AND TO DATE, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS PAID OUT. SO IT'S TEN. AND THEN IF THEN TEN AND 15, TEN AND 15 
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IN SPECIAL PROJECTS, IF APPROVED BY THE BOARD. AND SO LAST YEAR WE PAID THEM TEN AND NOT THE 15. 
          CORRECT. GOT IT. AND WE ARE HERE TO LOOK AT THE AGREEMENT AND DISCUSS IT. I STRUCTURED THIS SO THAT THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD WOULD BE HERE AS A PRESENTATION TO GIVE YOU AN ORIENTATION AND ALSO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE OF THAT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? NO, NO. WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND. THEN PROCEED FURTHER. 
          ACTUALLY, CAN I JUST MAYBE GENERALLY MAKE A STATEMENT THAT WILL BE GENERALLY DIRECTED AT JIM. SURE. I'VE BEEN SITTING UP HERE ALL NIGHT. MIGHT AS WELL. I'M SECOND. I HAVE A I HAVE A COMMENT FOR JIM. OKAY. YES. SO JIM, YOU KNOW, MY GOAL IS TO IS TO GOING INTO THIS NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, CUT TAXES, FULL TRANSPARENCY. I WANT TO SEE FOLLOWING SUIT WITH FEDERAL AND LISTENING TO RON DESANTIS LATELY. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SEE THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE HAVE SOME SOMETHING SMALLER ON THE MILLAGE. SO I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE BDB IN OUR RELATIONSHIP THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THEM IN THE PAST. I KNOW THAT THEY DO GREAT THINGS. WE SAW SOME OF THAT TODAY, BUT TO ME, THESE KINDS OF THINGS THAT DON'T HAVE LIKE A DEMONSTRATIVE, CLEARLY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE CITY. THIS IS TAXPAYER MONEY THAT I WOULD RATHER SAVE PERSONALLY, JIM. SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN SUPPORT OF THE 10 OR 15 WITHIN THIS AGREEMENT. IF WE DO GO INTO A MOTION, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, SIR. I JUST WANTED TO CHIME IN. AND THIS MIGHT BE FOR IKE AND WILLIAM. I KNOW DURING THE DISCUSSION, DURING THE PRESENTATION, ONE OF THE LARGEST PROJECTS WAS GRIND HARD AMMO, WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, EXPANDED AND OPENED IN THE YMCA SKATING RINK, AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO INDIANTOWN. MY ONLY CONCERN IS THE CITY OF STUARTS 97% BUILT UP. SO MOST OF THE LARGE SCALE. EXPANSION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE FOR MOST BUSINESSES, IN MY OPINION, WOULD BE MORE SO IN THE COUNTY OR ANOTHER COUNTY THAT'S UNDERDEVELOPED NORTH OR WEST OF US. THAT WOULD BE MY BIGGEST CONCERN. FOR EXAMPLE, I DID IT MYSELF WITH OUR OWN FAMILY BUSINESS. I FELT IT WAS DIFFICULT TO EXPAND INSIDE THE CITY, AND THAT MIGHT BE MY BUSINESS MODEL BECAUSE OF WHAT I DO AS A PROFESSIONAL. BUT THAT'S JUST WAS MY PERSPECTIVE. WE'RE 97% BUILT UP. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO ACTUALLY EXPAND TO WHERE THE BDB WOULD COME IN AND FIND LAND PER SE ON, YOU KNOW, 100,000 TO 4 OR 500,000 SQUARE FOOT THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT? BECAUSE I KNOW, GRIND HARD. HOW, HOW HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOT IS THAT IN INDIANTOWN? I MEAN, 100,000, 100,000 IN INDIANTOWN. YEAH. AND ACTUALLY THE I WE MAY NOT HAVE WE MAY HAVE GONE OVER THIS BEFORE. I THINK WE DID A LOT OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE BIGGER OPPORTUNITIES, THEY ARE IN WHAT WAS WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE INNOVATION HUB AREA. AND SO THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO DETAIL THAT, BECAUSE THERE ARE ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, NINE PARCELS THAT ARE SEEN AS POTENTIALLY POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT, WHEREBY YOU COULD YEAH, BRING SOMETHING LIKE A GRIND HARD. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT MAKE THAT CLEAR. WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE PARCELS THERE BUT THOSE WERE IN THAT AREA. SO THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE SEE. DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH ACRES THOSE NINE PARCELS WERE OFFHAND? 88.88. YEAH ABOUT NINE. YEAH. SO THERE'S I MEAN THERE'S SOME, THERE IS SOME. BUT I MEAN WE'RE IT'S NOT THE COUNTY BUT IT IS THERE'S CERTAINLY I GUESS HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, LIKE WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE, I GUESS WHETHER IT'S THIS FISCAL YEAR OR IN FIVE YEARS WHEN LET'S SAY THAT THESE EIGHT PARCELS DO GET DEVELOPED, WHERE ARE YOU EXPANDING AT THAT POINT INSIDE THE CITY TO WHERE IT WOULD BENEFIT? A LOT OF IT WOULD BE REDEVELOPMENT. WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A CITY THAT'S BUILT OUT. YEAH, PARTICULARLY WITH THE AGE OF, YOU KNOW, STUART, YOU'VE GOT CERTAIN PROPERTIES THAT MAY HAVE REACHED THEIR FUNCTIONAL OBSOLESCENCE OR HAVE, YOU KNOW, DILAPIDATED IN CERTAIN WAYS OR COULD BE IMPROVED AGAIN, WITH AN EYE TOWARDS BUILDING THE TAX BASE AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ASSESSED AT A 
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HIGHER VALUE IN THE FUTURE. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU ALL, JUST LIKE WE WORK WITH INDIAN TOWN TO STRATEGIZE TOWARDS THAT OUTCOME. GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. GOT A QUESTION FOR JIM. JIM, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE COUNTY. FINANCES THE BTB? OFFHAND, THEY ANSWERED THAT 400 AND SOME. YEAH, IT'S I KNOW, BUT SO 469 EXCESS OF 400. AND I THINK TO THE GREATER POINT OUR CITY OF STUART RESIDENTS, MARTIN COUNTY TAXPAYERS. YES, YES. 
          THANK YOU ELLEN I WASN'T SURE. OKAY. SO THEN IF THE CITY OF STUART IS FINANCING THE BDB AND MARTIN COUNTY IS FINANCING THE BDB, THEN CITY OF STUART RESIDENTS ARE EFFECTIVELY PAYING TWICE FOR THE BDB. AND FROM WHAT I REMEMBER FROM THE PRESENTATION THAT I SAW, 25% OF THE INDUSTRIAL SPACE IN MARTIN COUNTY IS IN THE CITY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE CITY WOULD BE PAYING. AGAIN, JUST MY GENERAL THOUGHTS, JIM. AND MR. MAYOR, I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE PAST. SO I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT YOU'RE VERBALIZING THAT. THANK YOU. I THINK THEY'RE BDB MAY HAVE A SUCCINCT ANSWER IN REGARD TO THAT. WILLIAM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS? WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? SORRY, THE QUESTION IS DOUBLE TAXATION AND HOW YOU SEE THAT? WELL, I THINK THAT EACH OF THE AREAS YOU GUYS PRIORITIZE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN YOUR IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. RIGHT. AND YOU GUYS RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF INVESTMENT CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND JOB CREATION. AND THIS THE INVESTMENT THAT EACH COMMUNITY HAS MADE, WHETHER IT BE 10,000, WHETHER IT BE 25,000, WHETHER IT BE 465,000 IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF REFLECTIVE OF WHAT I WOULD SAY, REFLECTIVE OF THAT COMMITMENT. AND SO THIS IS A SHOW OF THAT AS WE TRY TO IMPLEMENT OUR VISION, MISSION AND GOALS. BUT JIM, IF MR. COULD WE LET COMMISSIONER CLARK YOU'VE HAD I JUST I JUST HAD MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO LET COMMISSIONER CLARK JUST WANT TO FINISH MY POINT. WE'RE GOING TO LET COMMISSIONER CLARK SPEAK. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL GO ON WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER. VICE MAYOR WAS SAYING. SO IF WE TAKE THAT LITERALLY, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE CITIES OR ANYTHING ELSE. CITIES OR VILLAGES OR TOWNS WILL JUST LET THE COUNTY RUN EVERYTHING, OR THE STATE OR SOMEBODY ELSE. BECAUSE IF WE TAKE THAT AS THIS, THIS DOUBLE TAXATION IDEA, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SAME THING GOES FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD AND WHATEVER WE PAY THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, AND EACH ENTITY STILL TAXES AND GETS MONEY TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. AND IF WE SAY WE JUST PAY ONE TAX, WHICH IS OUR PROPERTY TAX, AND THAT SHOULD TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING, IT DOESN'T HOLD, WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF GOODWILL DEALING IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND COME HERE TO DO BUSINESSES, AND THEY THEIR BUSINESS MAY NOT OPEN IN STUART, BUT THE REASON WHY THEY ARE ATTRACTED TO MARTIN COUNTY OR TO SOME OTHER PLACE THAT'S LOCATED CLOSE TO STUART, AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE LARGE INDUSTRIAL AREAS, AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE, IS BECAUSE WE ARE WE ARE HERE, WE HAVE AMENITIES AT THE CITY, AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH OUR OUR CHAMBERS AND DIFFERENT THINGS TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES AND TO KEEP JOBS AND TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY VIBRANT. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO OVERGROW OR ANYTHING, BUT IT JUST NEEDS AMOUNT OF VIBRANCY. AS TO DELIVERABLES. AND JIM CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M OR MR. MARTEL, BUT WE HAD THE STUDY OF THE WHOLE AREA ALONG COMMERCE STREET, AND THE COUNTY DID A LOT OF WORK IN WHAT THEY CALL THEIR INNOVATION DISTRICT. AND WHATEVER THE CITY DID, THE CITY WORKED ALONG THERE BECAUSE SOME OF THE PARCELS ARE ALSO IN THE CITY LIMITS. AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS COME TOGETHER TO CREATE A CERTAIN PLACE, THE PLACE THAT WE LIVE, THE THINGS THAT WE OFFER COMMERCE, WE OFFER EDUCATION, WE OFFER PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE. 
          AND IT'S A PART OF OUR COMPLETE COMPLETENESS AS A COMMUNITY. AND I SO I THINK THAT HAVING THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND HAVING THE ABILITY TO GO TO THEM WITH 
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REGARD TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER THINGS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND IT'S VITAL THAT WE SUPPORT THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY. COMMISSIONER REED, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COMMISSIONER CLARK. AND THIS MIGHT BE FOR WILLIAM. IT COMES BACK TO GRIND HARD AMMO BEING MAYBE THE ONLY ONE IN THE CITY THAT YOU GUYS WERE THINKING OF. I MIGHT KNOW MORE IF HE WAS THERE. LONGER TECHNOLOGIES WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT. HAD TECHNOLOGY. HOG HOG TECHNOLOGY. DOES THE BDB ONLY SUPPORT EXPANSION OR NEW BUSINESSES OR TECHNOLOGIES WAS NEW AND SO WAS AMMO. SO I WANT TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE, AND I WANT TO DEVELOP A REALLY CLOSE PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU ALL, JUST AS WE HAVE WITH THE VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN. THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN GREAT PARTNERS. AND IN TERMS OF EXISTING INDUSTRY, EXISTING BUSINESSES, WORKING WITH THEM TO GROW, WORKING WITH THEM TO EXPAND AND ALSO ATTRACTION RECRUITMENT OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN VERY OPEN TO AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH AND BE ABLE TO BE CONTINUE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU ALL AND BE AFFORDED THAT OPPORTUNITY. I REALLY DON'T WANT TO LOOK IN THE PAST. I WANT TO LOOK IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY HAPPENING. AND I WOULD HATE TO, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVE A FORMAL RELATIONSHIP. AND I THINK WE SHOULD, IN ORDER TO KIND OF BUILD UP THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT. HONESTLY, WILLIAM, DO YOU STILL DO THE BUSINESS ACCELERATOR PROGRAM WHERE WITH STAFFING, WITH CURRENT STAFF LEVEL NEEDS OR STAFFING CAPACITY, WE ARE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTNER WITH OUR SISTER ORGANIZATIONS, YOU KNOW, CHAMBERS IN ORDER TO POTENTIALLY REINVIGORATE THAT BUSINESS ACCELERATOR PROGRAM. SO I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO I GUESS TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, IT'S NOT JUST BUSINESS EXPANSION, EXISTING BUSINESSES. IT WOULD BE NEW BUSINESSES. IT'S NEW BUSINESS. YOU KNOW, EXISTING BUSINESSES, EXPANSIONS. ALSO IF A BUSINESS WHAT IS THE CRITERIA FOR A NEW BUSINESS PER SE LIKE YOU WOULD SIT DOWN WITH THEM, COME UP WITH A BUSINESS MODEL THE WHOLE NINE YARDS OR OR IS THE BDB MORE SO SEEKING APPLICANTS THAT ARE GOING TO DO LARGE EXPANSIONS OR PULL IN LARGER COMPANIES TO THE AREA BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL MOM AND POP. I WAS GOING TO USE EAST STUART, FOR EXAMPLE. HAS THE BDB EVER HELPED SOMEONE START A BUSINESS IN EAST STUART AND ALL THESE? IT HAD, I BELIEVE SO, AND WE WOULD LIKE MIGHT ACTUALLY I CAN ANSWER THAT. YEAH. THERE HAS BEEN SOME COMMUNITY CLASSES THAT WE'VE HAD THAT WERE GEARED FOR YOUNG ENTREPRENEURS, DIFFERENT BUSINESS PROFORMAS UNDERSTANDING HOW THERE WAS A HAD ONE PROGRAM CALLED SIDE HUSTLE TO MAIN GIG WAS THAT PAID FOR THE CITY OF STUART OR THE BDB PUT IT ON THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY PUT ON BY THE BDB FOR THE CITY OF STUART DONE AT THE EAST. STUART. WHEN WAS THAT LOCATION? LAST YEAR OR TWO. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF THE 10 TO 25, RIGHT? THAT'S A SPECIAL PROJECT. BUT REGARDLESS OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO THINGS LIKE ACCESS TO CAPITAL WORKSHOPS THAT WE DID ONE IN SEPTEMBER. 
          AND AGAIN, I MENTIONED THE POTENTIAL FOR THE, YOU KNOW, CAPITAL LOAN PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, THE ACCESS TO CAPITAL LOAN PROGRAM, POTENTIALLY AS SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD TARGET DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. OF COURSE, THE ENTIRE COUNTY. BUT AGAIN, WORKING WITH YOU ALL TO IDENTIFY THOSE NEEDS A LITTLE BETTER IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO AS A AS A GREAT PARTNERSHIP, PERHAPS. MR. MAYOR, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT THAT'S ACTUALLY THE VICE MAYOR'S TURN AGAIN. OH, SORRY. MR. SO THE HARD PART ABOUT BEING FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE IS ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT COME TO GOVERNMENT ALWAYS HAVE WELL-INTENDED, YOU KNOW, MISSION STATEMENTS, REASONS FOR THEIR EXISTENCE WITH THEIR HANDOUT. BUT EVERY ONE OF THESE 10 OR $25,000 THAT THIS BOARD UP HERE HANDS YOU COMES FROM SOMEBODY'S HARD WORKING POCKET. AND IF YOU CAN'T DEMONSTRATE, I'M GOING TO BE VERY FRANK WITH YOU. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF POSSIBLES AND MAYBES AND YES, I'M PRETTY SURE. AND IF YOU CAN'T DELIVER SOMETHING REAL, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU GUYS SHOULD GET ANY MONEY FROM THE CITY, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT OUR MONEY TO GIVE YOU. THIS IS THE MONEY OF PEOPLE WHO WORK AND HAVE TO PAY THEIR TAXES. THIS IS EFFECTIVELY LIKE A POLITICAL TITHE TO YOUR ORGANIZATION SO WE CAN STAY IN GOOD STANDING. IF 25% OF OUR INDUSTRIAL. PROPERTIES. THE CITY IS THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL HUB FOR GREATER MARTIN COUNTY. AND IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF STUART UNLESS THEY GIVE YOU 10 OR 
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$25,000, THAT WOULD BE CRAZY. WHEN THE COUNTY PAYS YOU 469,000 AND THE CITIES AND THE COUNTY AND WE'RE THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL HUB FOR THE COUNTY. SO I DON'T WANT TO MISCONSTRUE THAT. THAT'S THE POINT THAT YOU WERE MAKING, WHERE OUR RELATIONSHIP MIGHT BE DAMAGED, YOU KNOW, BY NOT GIVING YOU THIS MONEY. BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT WORK RIGHT THERE. 
          TAX DOLLARS ARE WHAT WE'RE HANDING YOU. IT'S NOT JUST I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THE WHAT YOU'RE IMPLYING. WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING? I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE IMPLYING. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT THE MONEY THAT YOU'RE ASKING FROM THIS BOARD IS OUR TAX DOLLARS. EVERY DOLLAR OF THEM. THE SENSE I GOT FROM YOU A MOMENT AGO WHEN I WAS JUST STANDING THERE, AS YOU SAID, YOU WOULD HATE FOR THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE BDB TO BE INJURED, IMPLYING THAT IF WE DON'T HAND YOU THAT 10 OR $25,000, THAT THERE MIGHT BE A FRACTURE IN OUR RELATIONSHIP, WHICH I FIND TO BE VERY UNUSUAL SINCE THE CITY IS THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL HUB FOR GREATER AND GREATER MARTIN COUNTY, AND THE COUNTY WHICH WE ARE THE SEAT OF, PAYS YOU $469,000 A YEAR TO EXIST AND FULFILL YOUR MISSION. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT THE CITY IS ONE OF THE HUBS. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE HUB. I THINK YOU SEE A LOT OF MILLIONS OF SQUARE FEET. AS I MENTIONED IN THAT FIRST BULLET POINT, ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE GROUND NOW AND IT AS IT STANDS IN THE COUNTY, AND THAT'S NOT HAPPENING IN THE CITY. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO PARTNER WITH YOU TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN AND BUILD UP THINGS IN A WAY THAT'S BENEFICIAL TO THE TAX BASE THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COUNTY. THAT'S NOT HAPPENING HERE. SO I'M NOT SURE IF I WOULD CHARACTERIZE IT AS THE HUB, THE HUB OF THE COUNTY. YOU DON'T YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CITY OF STUART IS CURRENTLY THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL HUB FOR GREATER MARTIN COUNTY? I THINK WILL BE. BUT TODAY, I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF RECENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT WOULD CHALLENGE THAT STATEMENT. AS OF TODAY, AS OF TODAY, AND THAT SOMEHOW THE BDB IS GOING TO PUT US IN THE FOREFRONT IN THAT REALM WITH IT BEING ALMOST COMPLETELY BUILT OUT. TEAMWORK MAKES THE DREAM WORK. I APPRECIATE YOUR HUSTLE, YOU KNOW. OKAY, COMMISSIONER CLARK. I SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN THAT DOWN. THE DELIVERABLES AND MR. KUROWSKI, MAYBE YOU CAN CORRECT ME, BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAD THE VETERANS FAIR. WE HAD THE JOB FAIR. I THINK COMMISSIONER MATHESON HAD WE HAD DONE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT JOB THINGS AT THE 10TH STREET. WE DID. AND WE AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAD THE CAREER RESOURCE CENTER THERE AT 10TH STREET, WE'RE WORKING ON, ON, ON THAT KIND OF THING. AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THAT I REALLY WANT TO GET THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD CONTINUING TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP AND TO EXPAND OUR HORIZONS, IF WE IF WE CONTINUE WITH THEM, IS THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE. PROJECT LIFT. AND OF COURSE, WITH TRYING TO BRING BACK SOME COMMERCIAL IN IN THE EAST STUART AREA WHERE PEOPLE HAVE HAD MIXED USE BEFORE, AND THAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO AT LEAST BE ABLE TO BUY A CUP OF COFFEE IN EAST STUART. AND IT MAY NOT BE A LOT, BUT AT LEAST SOMETHING. AND TO WORK WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE WANTING TO DEVELOP SOMETHING, WHETHER IT'S A FOOD TRUCK OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, THAT WE HAVE A RESOURCE THAT THEY CAN GO TO. THE OTHER THING IS THAT I THINK YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT A LOAN POOL, AND PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY CAN GET THE UNDERSTANDING TO WORK WITH THE LOAN POOL TO TRY TO REDEVELOP SOME OF THEIR SMALL PROPERTIES, EVEN IF IT'S TO ADD SOMETHING WHERE THEY CAN MAKE SOME INCOME OUT OF THAT SECOND HOME OR APARTMENT OR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, OR WHATEVER NEEDS TO HAPPEN IF THEY CAN MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AFTER WE'VE GONE THROUGH TODAY. SO MAYBE, MR. KOWALSKI, WE DID STOP HAVING THE DELIVERABLES, BUT MAYBE IF WE ASK THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD TO COME TO US WITH A PLAN AND WHAT THE PLAN WILL COST, MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE PALATABLE TO THIS COMMISSION TO SAY, WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH AND FOR THE CITY OF STUART? AND I'M JUST I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE WOULD BE TO DENY THIS TODAY. AND THEN IF YOU WANT MONEY FROM US, COME BACK AND LET'S GET A PLAN GOING. BUT JUST HANDING OVER MONEY AND ASSUMING THERE'S GOING TO BE A DEMONSTRABLE PLAN TO CONTINUE IT AND BRING IT BACK, I WOULD DENY THIS, THIS CURRENT ONE, I WOULD MY, MY INSTINCT 
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WOULD BE TO MOTION TO DENY THIS. DENY THERE'S NO MOTION AND NO SECOND. I KNOW, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY INSTINCT. I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY THOUGHTS. AND THEN. YES. AND THEN HAVE THEM COME BACK IF WE WANT TO REDISCUSS THIS, MR. JUPPE. HE'S NOT FINISHED YET. YEAH, I AM, I AM, I'M DONE, I'M DONE. ACTUALLY, I LIKE THAT IDEA BECAUSE IT'S THEN FOCUSED ON A PARTICULAR PROJECT OR PROGRAM. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THERE WERE PROGRAMS THAT WERE DONE AT 10TH STREET OR IN EAST STUART, BUT THEY WERE PROGRAMS. NOTHING SEEMED TO COME OF THEM. SO I THINK IT WOULD ALMOST BE MORE BENEFICIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY OR FOR WHATEVER COMMUNITY WITHIN THE CITY OF STUART, FOR THE COMMISSION, THE TAXPAYERS. AND STUART, IF A PROJECT CAME BEFORE US THAT SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO ON AN ENTREPRENEURIAL BASIS FOR SMALL BUSINESS, ALL ENCOMPASSING TRAINING, LOAN ACCESS TO LOANS, ALL OF THAT SO THAT IT COULD BECOME A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS AND THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER FIT FOR US AS A CITY, A SMALL CITY, VERSUS JUST AN ONGOING BEING PART OF THE LARGER COG. I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE ALL INTO INDIAN, AND I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL DEVELOPING NOW AND THEY'RE BIG AND YOU NEED TO YOU NEED TO BE IN THAT AREA. BUT I THINK IF IT WAS MORE PROJECT ORIENTED, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR YOU. IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR US. SO I THINK IT WORKS FOR BOTH OF US, AND IT CERTAINLY WORKS FOR THE TAXPAYERS IN THE CITY OF STUART. 
          AND WE CAN BE IN THAT AREA, AND WE CAN BE IN YOUR AREA WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO BE IN YOUR AREA AS WELL. AND THIS ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THIS HAS BEEN BUDGETED FOR THE 25 YEAR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM OCTOBER TO NOW. SO THIS IS A REPORT BACK ABOUT THAT. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS FY 26. NOW IF WE APPROVE THIS, THIS MONEY GOES TO YOU. RIGHT. BUT I'M SAYING IT WAS ADOPTED IN THE BUDGET FOR FY 25. I CAN SAY I DON'T HAVE TO GIVE IT TO YOU. I CAN JUST SAVE IT. I DON'T THINK THE MONEY SAVED IS MONEY. OKAY, WELL, THIS IS THE END OF THE STAFF PRESENTATION. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEM RESOLUTION? NUMBER 16-2025. IS THERE A MOTION? I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AT LEAST GIVE THE BDB THE $10,000. AND TO, TO MAINTAIN AND TO HAVE OUR TO SHOW THAT WE ARE OUR PARTNERS WITH THEM AND TO AMEND THIS RESOLUTION TO KNOW IT SAYS IT SAYS FOR 25 FISCAL YEAR IN THE AMOUNT OF UP TO $25,000. SO I'M SAYING THE $10,000. AND IF THEY NEED ANYTHING MORE OR AND I THE AMEND MY AMENDMENT WOULD BE IS THAT THEY IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE THING IS ISSUED, THAT THEY BRING US A PLAN OF HOW THEY SHOW US HOW THEY'RE GOING TO USE THAT THOSE FUNDS. NO, THAT'S THAT'S THAT THAT'S HIS EXACT MOTION. THAT'S HIS MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? CAN I SAY SOMETHING, MR. MAYOR? NO, UNLESS THERE'S A SECOND. IS THERE A SECOND? SAYING NO. SECOND. ITEM TEN 
          [11. FIND WATERWAY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM GRANT FOR COURTESY DOCK AND WAVE ATTENUATOR (RC): RESOLUTION No. 17-2025; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF STUART TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR A FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT WATERWAY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM GRANT FOR A COURTESY DOCK AND WAVE ATTENUATOR; AND AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF A GRANT AGREEMENT IF AWARDED; AND FURTHER AUTHORIZING ANY MINOR AMENDMENTS TO THE GRANT AGREEMENT TO FACILITATE THE PROGRAM AS APPROPRIATE; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
FAILS. ITEM 11. MR. BAGGETT, WILL YOU PLEASE READ IT FOR OUR CONSIDERATION? RESOLUTION NUMBER ONE SEVEN DASH 2025, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF STUART TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR A FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT WATERWAY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM GRANT FOR A COURTESY DOCK AND WAVE ATTENUATOR, AND AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF A GRANT AGREEMENT IF AWARDED, AND FURTHER AUTHORIZING ANY MINOR AMENDMENTS TO THE GRANT AGREEMENT TO FACILITATE THE PROGRAM AS APPROPRIATE. PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE, EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. SINCE THIS WAS PULLED AND THERE'S NO STAFF HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT, I'LL JUST BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT IT. THE CITY IN THE PAST HAS DONE THE ENTIRE BOARDWALK SYSTEM AND COURTESY DOCK BY WAY OF FIND OR FOR FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT GRANTS. CURRENTLY, IT'S A FLOATING CEMENT DOCK, AND WITHOUT THE WAVE ATTENUATORS, WE SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON MAINTENANCE BECAUSE WAVES CAUSE THE PIPES AND THINGS TO BEND, AND IT ALSO MAKES IT LESS STABLE WHEN PEOPLE ARE GETTING OFF OF THEIR BOATS ONTO THE DOCKS. THE WAVE OF TEN YEAR LATER IS ESSENTIALLY A WALL THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE DOCK THAT BLOCKS THE WAVE ACTION, SO THAT IN THE CURTILAGE OF THE DOCK, TO USE MR. HAMILTON'S WORDS, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ROCKING IN THE WAVES. THERE'S WAVE ATTENUATORS AT THE HARBOR RIDGE MARINA, AND AS WELL AS THE SUNSET BAY, YOU JUST DON'T SEE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE RIGHT, LIKE IN LINE WITH THE DOCK AND UNDERWATER. WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME ON THIS GETTING ACCOMPLISHED? WELL, IF THE GRANT IS AWARDED BY FIND, WHICH IT'S VERY LIKELY TO BE, WE GOT ALL THE SUBMERGED LAND LEASES STRAIGHTENED OUT AND USE GRANT MONEY LAST YEAR TO DO THAT. SO IT WOULD BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD LIKE THIS SUMMER. MIKE, IS IT A REQUIREMENT FOR IT TO BE 50% MATCHING OR I NOTICE WELL, IT'S FLORIDA NAVIGATION DISTRICT IS REQUIRES A 50% MATCH ON THIS PARTICULAR GRANT. BUT IT'S I MEAN I WAS JUST CURIOUS. YEAH. YEAH. SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT 
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MIKE. WELL, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH THEY GIVE US, BUT IT COULD BE A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. BUT THE LAST TIME WE DID A REPAIR ON THE DOCK, IT WAS 90,000. AS SOMEONE WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING A DOCK, THAT GOT A LOT MORE FUN THAN THIS ONE, YOU EITHER SPEND THIS SMALLER AMOUNT OR YOU SPEND A LOT MORE. AND ALSO, I MEAN, WHEN PEOPLE ARE GETTING ON AND OFF THE BOATS, IT ALSO STABLE. IT'S A VERY IT'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE ELEMENT TO DOWNTOWN STUART. AND A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER. MR. CERTAINLY, COMMISSIONER JOB. MIKE, WITHOUT THE GRANT, WHAT IS THE COST FOR THIS? BECAUSE YOU SAID WE'RE NOT DOING IT WITHOUT THE GRANT. OH, OKAY. IT'S NOT HAPPENING. OKAY. WHAT IS THE COST THEN. TOTAL I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN HERE OR NOT, BUT AT ONE POINT THERE'S ALL SORTS OF PHASES. BUT WE COULD SPEND $600,000 ON WAVE ATTENUATORS. BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE GRANT IS. SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THE GRANT COULD BE UP TO 100,000. SO IF THAT WAS 100, WE COULD SPEND 100 AND SPEND 200 AND DO A SECTION OF THE WAVE ATTENUATOR TO MAKE THE BOATS ON THIS SIDE BLOCKED OFF. HE'LL ATTENUATE AS MUCH AS HE CAN GET MONEY FOR. EXACTLY. NOW, HERE'S THE THING. THIS IS JUST TO AUTHORIZE THE APPLICATION. YOU CAN REJECT IT IF WE GET IT. I MEAN, I WOULD HAVE TO DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT. I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO DO IT. SO WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND REJECT MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL RESOLUTION 17 2025. YOU'RE GOOD. SECOND MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. HE HAS A QUESTION. COMMISSIONER. READ THIS IS THERE. CAN WE GET PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS BEFORE WE HAVE DISCUSSION BY THE. I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR MIKE. OKAY. YES. 
          LET'S HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'LL GET TO IT OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, MADAM CLERK? THAT'S ALL. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM? YES. MIKE, IS THIS LIKE NOT TO BRING UP THE CDBG GRANT? AGAIN? I KNOW AS AN APPLICANT YOU COULD HAVE APPLIED FOR 80,000 AS A RESIDENT. US APPLYING WITH THIS AS THE CITY. 
          DO THEY CAP YOU ON WHAT YOU CAN GET OR SO FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT IS A TAXING AGENCY, AND IT'S A TAX THAT'S ON STATEWIDE. AND THEY THEY GET MONEY AND THEY HAVE A FUND AND THEY LITERALLY GIVE THE COMMUNITIES UP AND DOWN THE COAST THIS THESE FUNDING, THE ENTIRE BOARDWALK. ONE ONE YEAR WE GOT $600,000 TO DO BOARDWALK WITH. BUT THE AMOUNT THAT THEY AWARD CHANGES BECAUSE IT COULD BE THAT THEY'RE DEDICATING $3 MILLION TO MARTIN COUNTY TO DREDGE THE INLET. AND THEREFORE, THE OTHER COUNTY IS BREVARD AND SAINT LUCIE COUNTY AND DADE COUNTY AND PALM BEACH COUNTY. IT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO CONTINUE GIVING MONEY HERE. SO THEY SPREAD IT OUT UP AND DOWN THE COAST. LAST YEAR, INSTEAD OF GIVING US THE FINAL MONEY FOR THE WAVE ATTENUATOR, THEY DID GIVE MONEY TO THE COUNTY. AND SO WE'RE EXPECTING THIS YEAR TO ACTUALLY RECEIVE THE FUNDING FOR IT. I DON'T KNOW UNTIL THE BOARD, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT WAS LAST YEAR IN THE STATE THAT THEY I CAN LOOK IT UP. I WAS JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE MILLIONS, BUT MILLIONS, I'M SURE IT WAS MILLIONS. BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS THAT THE WELL, THE CITY PICKING THAT UP. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. YOU CAN. 
          WHAT? IT'S NOT URGENT OR ANYTHING. EMAIL ON IT. YEAH. IT'S NOT AN URGENT THING. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. MY OWN PEACE OF MIND. IT'S COMING UP A PAGE HERE. THIS PAGE WAS NOT FOUND, BUT IT'S. IT SAYS A FULL LIST OF THE 2425 ASSISTANCE PROGRAM RECIPIENTS AND THEIR FUNDED PROJECTS CAN BE FOUND ON THE FIND WEBSITE AT THIS ADDRESS. AND THEN I CLICK ON IT. IT'S NOT THERE. IT PROBABLY GOT TURNED OFF. I THINK WE HAVE A VOTE ON THE SOMEBODY WE KNOW. I THINK THERE WAS PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT. I THOUGHT THEY SAID NO, NO, THERE WAS PUBLIC COMMENT. I DIDN'T SEE ANYONE COME UP. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS REGARDING THIS ITEM. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MAYOR RICH. YES. VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES. 
          COMMISSIONER. SELBY. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. YES, COMMISSIONER. READ. YES. MR. 
          [17. BUDGET AMENDMENT NO. 8 TRAFFIC LIGHT FOR FIRE STATION NO. 3 (RC): RESOLUTION No. 29-2025; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING BUDGET AMENDMENT No. 8 TO THE FY 2025 BUDGET; APPROPRIATING AND AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS FOR FIRE STATION 3 TRAFFIC SIGNAL; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
WILL YOU READ ITEM 17 FOR OUR CONSIDERATION, PLEASE? NUMBER 12. NO. WE PULLED NUMBER 17. WE PULLED TEN, 11 AND 17. THIS IS THE LAST ONE OUT OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR. MR. BAGGETT, RESOLUTION NUMBER 29, DASH 2025, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING BUDGET AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET, APPROPRIATING AND AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS FOR FIRE STATION THREE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. AND AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS WAS ON CONSENT, THERE'S NO STAFF HERE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE QUESTION IS, BUT THE MONEY IS WHEN ANY DEVELOPMENT IS DONE. IN STUART, THE CITY OF STUART COLLECTS TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES ON BEHALF OF 
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THE COUNTY. A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THE STATE PASSED A STATUTE THAT SAID THE COUNTY HAD TO SPEND THE IMPACT FEES THAT WERE COLLECTED IN THE CITY OF STUART WITHIN THE CITY OF STUART. SO AS A RESULT, THE COUNTY IS GIVING THIS MONEY TO US TO PAY FOR THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, AND IT'S BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS GIVING IT TO US. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT IN THE BUDGET. SO IN ORDER FOR US TO RECEIVE IT AND SPEND IT ON THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, WE HAVE TO DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO ACCEPT IT, AND THEN IT WOULD BE TRANSFERRED FROM THE COUNTY'S FUND TO US. IT'S ALREADY AGREED UPON AND BEEN SIGNED OFF, AND IT'S PART OF THE DESIGN. AND IT WAS IN THE PLANS FOR STATION THREE ALL ALONG AND INCLUDING THE IMPACT FEES. IT JUST WASN'T DONE UNTIL NOW. THAT WAS MY QUESTION THEN. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. THEN I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER REID AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOB. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSIONERS REGARDING THIS ITEM? NO ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MADAM CLERK. COMMISSIONER. CLARK. YES, COMMISSIONER. READ. 
          YES, COMMISSIONER. SELBY. YES. VICE MAYOR. COLLINS. YES, MAYOR. RICH. YES. SO, ITEM NUMBER. 
          [18. AUTHORIZATION TO SCHEDULE INITIAL CONFLICT ASSESSMENT MEETING (RC): RESOLUTION No. 30-2025; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING CITY STAFF TO SCHEDULE THE INITIAL CONFLICT ASSESSMENT MEETING WITH MARTIN COUNTY PURSUANT TO THE FLORIDA GOVERNMENTAL CONFLICT RESOLUTION ACT, FLORIDA STATUTES §§ 164.101-164.1065; AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY AND OTHER DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE TO ATTEND THE INITIAL CONFLICT ASSESSMENT MEETING; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. (Part 1 of 2)]
COMMISSION ACTION. ITEM NUMBER 18. WILL YOU READ THAT, PLEASE? MR. BAGGETT, FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          RESOLUTION NUMBER THREE ZERO DASH 2025, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING CITY STAFF TO SCHEDULE THE INITIAL CONFLICT ASSESSMENT MEETING WITH MARTIN COUNTY PURSUANT TO THE FLORIDA GOVERNMENTAL CONFLICT RESOLUTION ACT, FLORIDA STATUTES, SECTION 1.164, DASH 164.101 THROUGH ONE SIX, 4.1065, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, AND OTHER DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE TO ATTEND THE INITIAL CONFLICT ASSESSMENT MEETING, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. THIS IS AN AGENDA ITEM THAT I PUT ON. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAD ASKED PREVIOUSLY NOT TO BRING UP THE LETTER FROM MARTIN COUNTY ON LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THEIR GRANT FOR THE BRIGHTLINE TRAIN STATION. HOWEVER, THEY HAD INITIATED THIS FLORIDA GOVERNMENTAL CONFLICT RESOLUTION ACT AND UNDER IT IT IS MANDATORY UNDER FLORIDA STATUTES THAT WE COMPLY WITH THIS STATUTE. SO THAT WAS THE NEED FOR ME TO PUT THIS ISSUE BACK ON UNDER. THERE'S SEVERAL STEPS UNDER THIS ACT THAT REQUIRE US TO COOPERATE WITH THE COUNTY. AND SO THEY THEY FOLLOWED THE ACT THEY FIRST INITIATED, INITIATED IT, AND HAD A RESOLUTION AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, THEY FOLLOWED THE ACT BY SENDING US A LETTER REQUESTING THE SCHEDULING OF A PUBLIC MEETING TO DISCUSS THE ISSUES RELATED TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT REGARDING JOINT PROPOSAL TO BRIGHTLINE TRAINS, LLC FOR A TRAIN STATION AND PARKING GARAGE DATED DECEMBER 12TH, 2023, AND THE ENFORCEMENT OF ELEMENT TWO OF THE CITY OF STUART'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE'S MULTIPLE STEPS IN THIS ACT. THE FIRST ONE IS TO SET UP AN INITIAL ASSESSMENT MEETING, WHICH IS A PUBLIC MEETING, AND THEY HAVE PROPOSED THAT IT BE AT THE LIBRARY NEXT TO THE MARTIN COUNTY OFFICES. AND IN THAT MEETING, IT WOULD BE AN INITIAL ASSESSMENT MEETING BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE CHAIR CHAIR, SARAH HURD, APPEAR ON BEHALF OF THEIR BOARD TO BE PRESENT AT THIS INITIAL ASSESSMENT MEETING. 
          AS PART OF THIS THIS RESOLUTION, I AM REQUESTING THE SAME BOTH MR. MARTEL, THE CITY MANAGER AND MYSELF, AND A DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BOARD. I LEFT IT BLANK SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE WHO THAT WOULD BE. AND IT'S JUST AN INITIAL ASSESSMENT MEETING AND POTENTIALLY SOMETHING COULD MAYBE BE WORKED OUT. IF ANYTHING IS POTENTIALLY SUGGESTED, IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD HERE FOR A VOTE. AND IF WE DID NOT REACH ANY TYPE OF RESOLUTION OR AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT, THEN WE WOULD GO TO THE NEXT STEP, WHICH WOULD BE SCHEDULING WITHIN 50 DAYS, A JOINT MEETING OF BOTH BOARDS AT THE CLARK LIBRARY. AND SO THAT THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE AT A LATER DATE. AND THAT WOULD BE A SECOND BITE AT THE APPLE TO TRY AND RESOLVE THE ISSUE. IF NO RESOLUTION IS HAD THERE, THEN THE NEXT STEP IS THE COUNTY, OR THE CITY COULD REQUEST A MEDIATION. MAYOR RICH, I WILL ALSO COMMENT THAT IT NEEDS TEN DAYS NOTICE BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING. AND IN ORDER TO AND IT SAYS IT'S GOT TO BE 
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NOTICED IN TCPALM. AND IN ORDER TO DO THE TCPALM NOTICE WHICH WE HAVE TO SEND IT TO NAPLES. IT NORMALLY TAKES 3 OR 4 BUSINESS DAYS. SO TODAY IS THE 10TH, WHICH WOULD MAKE THE 14TH BE THREE BUSINESS DAYS FROM TOMORROW, WHICH WOULD MAKE THE 25TH THE EARLIEST WE COULD HAVE THE MEETING, AND THE 24TH WAS THE LAST DATE THEY HAD AVAILABLE. SO REALLY THE FIRST DATE THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY IS MARCH 5TH. WE COULD HAVE IT LATER THAN THAT. BUT WE'RE SUGGESTING IN THIS RESOLUTION THAT THE COMMISSION SELECT MARCH 5TH AS THE DATE FOR THE MEETING. 
          I THINK IT WAS MAYOR RICH, WAS IT DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF MR. MR. BAGGETT NO, I DO NOT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON RESOLUTION 30 DASH 2025. AND I'D LIKE TO APPOINT VICE MAYOR CHRIS COLLINS TO BE OUR PERSON ON THAT CONFLICT RESOLUTION MEETING. 
          OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND AND A SECOND BY THE VICE MAYOR. DO YOU HAVE THAT, MADAM CLERK? I DO. OKAY. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. IS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER READ. I WAS JUST GOING TO CHIME IN. I WASN'T SURE HOW THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS FELT. I THINK THERE'S SOME OF US UP HERE THAT MIGHT KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SITUATION THAN OTHERS. I CAN SPEAK ON MY BEHALF. I FEEL AS IF I KNOW A LOT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, WHETHER IT'S TO THE COMP PLANS, THE RFP RESPONSES, AND I DO BELIEVE VICE MAYOR COLLINS IS WELL VERSED AS WELL. WHAT I WILL SAY IS I THINK SENDING HIM THERE, HE'S GOING TO LOOK ON BEHALF OF THE TAXPAYERS HARD EARNED MONEY. SO I THINK IF THE CITY IS GOING TO GET THE BEST DEAL POSSIBLE, YOU'RE A SOLID CHOICE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I JUST WANT TO SAY, CLARK. OH, SORRY, I DIDN'T PUT ON MY LIGHT. THAT'S OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT. I WISH THAT WE HAD. NOMINATED TO HAVE THE MAYOR GO TO REPRESENT THE CITY. AND I KNOW THAT I'VE LISTENED TO MR. COLLINS AND HIS. HIS VEHEMENT, YOU KNOW, AGAINST THE BRIGHT LINE PER SE OR THE AND THE FUNDING AND, AND ITS RELATIONSHIP. AND I THINK THE COUNTY IS WELL AWARE OF THAT. BUT I GUESS IF HE'S, IF, IF WE DECIDE TO VOTE ON ON HIM GOING THERE, I YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE ONE PERSON SPEAK, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT PERSON SPEAK WITH THE VOICE OF THE COMMISSION. SO IF THERE ARE SOME GUIDELINES OR SOME THINGS THAT WE WANT HIM TO LOOK INTO OR TO FIND OUT ABOUT, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LET HIM KNOW THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WHEN YOU HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT THE CITY WANTS OR THIS IS WHAT THE CITY DOES, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE. ARE. OUR PERSONAL VIEW IS DIFFERENT FROM THE CITY'S VIEW. I KNOW FOR THE CITY, THE CITY HAS A TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT SUPPORTS HAVING MASS TRANSIT SUPPORT, HAVING SOMETHING, A PASSENGER TRAIN AND A POSSIBLE STOP. WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT IN OUR COMP PLAN. I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER COLLINS IS INTERESTED IN FINANCIAL. I DON'T KNOW, WORTHINESS OF CORPORATION THAT WOULD HAVE A TRAIN STOP IN OUR CITY. AND HE'S ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT TAXPAYERS DOLLARS TO BUILD ANYTHING IN OUR CITY, EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE ON COUNTY NOT MIGHT BE WOULD BE ON COUNTY LAND. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE IF WE DO VOTE ON THIS, THAT WE'RE NOT SENDING SOMEONE WITH TWO VOICES, BUT IT'S WITH THE IDEA THAT THERE'S, THERE'S WE'VE HAD PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE SHOWN A LOT OF SUPPORT. AND I KNOW THAT THIS MEETING IS JUST A MEETING TO DO AN ASSESSMENT MEETING AND TO BE BECAUSE AND THE WHOLE POINT, THERE'S ONLY ONE WORD IN HERE THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT CONFLICT. AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE CONFLICT AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING TOWARDS CONFLICT AGREEMENT. SO I WANT US TO GO IN THAT SPIRIT AND TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. BUT IF IT'S JUST GOING TO GO, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T CARE. I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING WITH ANYBODY, THEN I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT APPROACH. BUT WE HAVEN'T VOTED YET, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT I JUST WANT TO LET MY VOICE BE HEARD. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS THERE, 
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COMMISSIONER CLARK, BUT DESPITE THE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT SENT TO US AND EVIDENCED IN OUR MEETINGS AT THIS POINT, THE VICE MAYOR MORE, YOU KNOW, ACCURATELY REPRESENTS THE WILL OF THIS COMMISSION. SO I DON'T SEE IT. I SEE IT AS A VALUABLE EXERCISE FOR HIM TO MEET WITH VICE CHAIRMAN HURD. SHE'S VERY EXPERIENCED. SHE'S VERY THOUGHTFUL. SHE CARES FOR THE TAXPAYER AS MUCH AS ANYONE, AND PERHAPS SHE CAN PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT THAT WILL MAKE MORE SENSE TO HIM AND TO THE MAJORITY OF THIS COMMISSION THAT CURRENTLY IS OPPOSED TO THIS. SO I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE VICE MAYOR ATTENDING THIS INITIAL MEETING. PUBLIC. PUBLIC SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT NO MATTER WHAT COMMISSIONER HEARD AND COMMISSIONER COLLINS DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ENTER THE AGREEMENT, IT WOULD ALL BE CONDITIONED ON RETURNING TO THE RESPECTIVE BOARDS FOR APPROVAL ANYWAY. AND MR. MARTELL IS THERE. HE'S WELL AWARE OF THE CITY'S OBLIGATIONS UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SO AS AS WELL AS EVERYBODY ELSE. DID WE ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? NO. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE? AND THEN I GOT A MAYOR RICH, AFTER I GOT A COMMENT. BEEN DETERMINED YET IT MRS. MCBRIDE. IT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED YET, BUT IT'LL BE PUBLISHED AND NOTICED. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO IF YOU GUYS COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE. MA'AM. FRANK MCCRYSTAL, CITY OF STUART. I WOULD LIKE MAYBE ON YOUR WEBSITE OR SOMEWHERE, LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WHEN THIS PROCESS BECOMES TOTALLY PUBLIC. 
          LIKE THIS. IS THIS A THIS FIRST MEETING? IS IT LIKE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND THEN THE SECOND MEETING, THE PUBLIC LIBRARY. SO THE FIRST THE FIRST SMALL MEETING IS ALSO. OH YES, OH YES, YES, YES. BEAUTIFUL. YOU WOULD BE NOTICED IN THE TCPALM. BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU. RIGHT. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? JUST THE TONE OF THE MEETING. WE WANT TO MAKE, MR. SHROFF. GOOD EVENING FOLKS. NICHOLAS SCHROTH, RESIDENT OF THE CITY, BUSINESS OWNER IN THE CITY. I THINK MR. COLLINS HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT HE HAS A PERSONAL VENDETTA AGAINST BRIGHT LINE, AND IT'S REALLY A POOR CHOICE TO SEND HIM TO THIS. IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION, THEN THEN THAT'S FINE. YOU KNOW THIS. STOP BEING ABOUT THE TAXPAYERS. WHEN IT STOPPED COSTING THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY ANYTHING, AND YOU STILL DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONTRADICTIONS OF, HEY, WE'RE DOING THIS IN THE NAME OF THE TAXPAYER AND WE'RE GOING TO GO COST THE TAXPAYER WHAT WE'RE GOING TO COST THE TAXPAYER AND SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA. IT'S IT'LL BECOME MORE EVIDENT. BUT IF YOU IF YOU PLAYED CHESS AND DON'T STICK TO THE GAME OF CHECKERS, IT'S A BAD IDEA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO MORE COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER. READ. NO. YES I WANT TO TOUCH BASE ON THAT. SO I SEEKED MY OWN COUNSEL JUST TO SEE HOW THEY WOULD INTERPRET THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. AND IT JUST DEPEND ON WHAT TEAM YOU WERE ON WHEN YOU HIRED YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL. IF BRIGHT LINE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR HALF OF THE STATION OR NOT. ALSO, I WANTED TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER, ARE WE ABLE TO PROVIDE LITERATURE TO EITHER YOU OR LEE OR VICE MAYOR COLLINS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING? JUST SO THEY HAD DOCUMENTS OR ANYTHING THAT I WAS ABLE TO PRINT OUT IN SUPPLY OR NO, YOU DO IT RIGHT NOW. I HAVE TO BE RIGHT. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T DO IT IN PRIVATE. IT WOULD VIOLATE SUNSHINE. NOW, LIKE THE I WOULD JUST REFERENCE THE MARTIN COUNTY COMP PLAN, HOW THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SUBSIDIZE DEVELOPMENT ON BEHALF OF THE TAXPAYERS. TO ME THAT'S HUGE. WHAT IT'S IN THEIR SCOPE AND THEIR COMP PLAN. I'LL PULL IT UP RIGHT NOW IF YOU'D LIKE. YOU REFERENCED IT BEFORE. YOU DID REFERENCE IT ALREADY. LET'S SEE. IT'LL TAKE ME TO THE LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. I AGREE, AND I WOULD ALSO VICE MAYOR COLLINS, I WOULD POINT OUT IN OCTOBER, I THINK IT WAS OCTOBER 9TH OF 2020, AND THE MARTIN COUNTY MPO LONG RANGE PLAN BRIGHT LINE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PRIVATELY FUNDED. THAT WAS VOTED ON BY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS UP HERE, AND ONE THAT'S NO LONGER HERE. BUT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PRIVATELY FUNDED. IT WAS CLEARLY WRITTEN. IT WAS CLEARLY VOTED ON IN OCTOBER OF 2020. WHY DID IT CHANGE? IS THE QUESTION. LET ME PULL UP THIS COMP PLAN FOR THE COUNTY AS WELL. IN THAT PLAN, IT STILL REMAINS. IT'S STILL IT. ABSOLUTELY. IT STILL REMAINS. 
          THEY'RE ACTUALLY PLANNING THE 2050 LONG RANGE PLAN, BY THE WAY. AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S 
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WHEN THE VERBIAGE IS GOING TO CHANGE. I SIT ON ON ONE OF THE CITY COMMISSIONERS THAT SIT ON THE MPO. IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO COME BEFORE US AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING THAT VERBIAGE. 
          BUT YES, IN THE 2045 PLAN, IT DID SAY THAT AND IT WAS VERY CLEAR. WELL, I DON'T I DON'T THINK THE ISSUE OF WHETHER BRIGHTLINE IS PAYING HALF IS ANY LONGER ON THE TABLE. THE COUNTY HAS HAD A VOTE IN SEPTEMBER WHERE THEY VOTED TO ADOPT THE AMENDMENTS TO THEIR SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT FOR CLARIFICATION, AS WELL AS TO ENTER INTO THE LEASE WITH BRIGHTLINE. THAT SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT BRIGHTLINE WOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HALF OF THE STATION. SO THAT ISSUE WASN'T COULD HYPOTHETICALLY REWORK A NEW AGREEMENT, RIGHT. BUT I MEAN, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE RESOLVING BECAUSE THAT ISSUE IS NOT THAT'S NOT BEFORE US THAT THAT WAS WHEN THEY BREACHED THEIR AGREEMENT. SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. AND I INTEND TO BRING IT UP, ALONG WITH THE POINTS MADE BY OTHER COMMISSIONERS AS WELL. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING. OH, I'M SORRY, MISS MCBRIDE. I'M SO QUIET. YOU DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, IN THE 40 SOME ODD YEARS, PROBABLY 45 OR MORE, I'VE ATTENDED MEETINGS IN CITY HALL, THE OLD ONE, THE NEW ONE. AND I DON'T EVER THINK I'M GOING TO GET IN WELLS FARGO BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE TRYING ONE DAY. ONE DAY. OKAY, YOU DO KNOW I'M 88. BUT ANYWAY, WE THE PEOPLE VOTE FOR OUR FIVE COMMISSIONERS. AND WHEN I UNDERSTAND JUST LISTENING, YOU HAVE TO ELECT AMONGST YOURSELVES FOR ONE COMMISSIONER TO REPRESENT YOU. AND ONE COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN NOMINATED. I TRUST ALL FIVE OF YOU EQUALLY. 
          I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE THE MAYOR, THE VICE MAYOR, THE QUEEN OF MAY. I TRUST YOU TO MAKE A GOOD JUDGMENT, AND YOU HAVE TO VOTE. AND IT HAS TO BE EITHER CAN BE FIVE, BUT OR AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE HAVE TO VOTE. SO PLEASE, LET'S HAVE DIGNITY AND VOTE THE RIGHT WAY AND NOT VOTE THE RIGHT WAY. BUT KEEP IT CLEAN. AND YOU KNOW, WE WERE SUCH A FRIENDLY CITY HALL HERE. 
          I DON'T LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON. LET'S KEEP IT NICE AND FRIENDLY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MAYOR RICH, MAY I COMMISSIONER READ. SO IF YOU LOOK AT MARTIN COUNTY'S COMP PLAN, SECTION 1.2 SCOPE, IT SAYS IT IS FURTHER INTENDED THAT THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS, MARTIN COUNTY SHALL WHICH WE LOVE THIS WORD RIGHT SHALL ITEM NUMBER SIX IT SAYS PROTECT TAXPAYERS BY REQUIRING CONSERVATIVE AND PRUDENT FISCAL MANAGEMENT AND A FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE. WHAT IS IT? COMPREHENSIVE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN WHICH ENSURES AND REQUIRES THAT DEVELOPMENT PAY FOR ITSELF, RATHER THAN BEING SUBSIDIZED BY TAXPAYERS? I WOULD ALSO WRITE DOWN ON PAGE 60, I BELIEVE IT IS, AND THE MARTIN COUNTY MPO LONG RANGE PLAN. THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THEY SHOULD PRIVATELY PAY FOR IT. I TRIED TO PULL MINUTES, BUT I DON'T THINK MARTIN COUNTY MPO WENT BACK TO OCTOBER OF 2020 BECAUSE I ACTUALLY WANTED TO WATCH THE MEETING MYSELF TO SEE IF ANYBODY DISCUSSED IT, BROUGHT IT UP, AND I JUST DIDN'T GO DOWN THAT PATH OF TALKING TO BETH YET TO SEE IF THEY HAD A RECORDING OF IT. IT'S IN THREE DIFFERENT OF THEIR CHARTS IN THAT PLAN. IF YOU THERE YOU GO. SO IT'S EMBEDDED IN THE CHARTS THAT IT'S PRIVATELY. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. COMMISSIONER REED, ARE YOU SAYING WE'RE BOUND BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? LOOK AT MARTIN COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THEY'RE THE ONES SPENDING THE MONEY AT THIS POINT. WERE YOU JUST QUOTING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? NO, THAT WAS MARTIN COUNTY. THAT WAS THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT TO BRING UP THAT MARTIN COUNTY PUT THE CITY IN THE POSITION OF VIOLATING ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY BREACHING THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT IN MARCH 2024 BY LETTING BRIGHTLINE OFF THE HOOK FOR PAYING HALF. CAN I PROVIDE FURTHER COMMENT AND MY ANALYSIS OF THIS? I BELIEVE THE COUNTY ONLY CAME TO THE CITY BECAUSE THEY WANTED OUR HARD EARNED MONEY. THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION ON THAT, BECAUSE WE WERE NEVER PART OF THE ORIGINAL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. BY THE WAY, IN 2018, WHY ELSE WOULD THEY COME TO THE CITY? THINK ABOUT IT. WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE, MADAM CLERK. YES. COMMISSIONER. REED. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK, I'VE SAID MY PIECE, BUT BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE UNITED, I WILL. WE. I TRUST ALL MY COMMISSIONERS. YOU HAVE MY BLESSINGS, COMMISSIONER. VICE MAYOR. YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR RICH. YES, COMMISSIONER. DOBEY. 
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YES. VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES. WELL. THANK YOU FOR TRUSTING US. THANK YOU GUYS. MR. BAGGETT, 
          [20. REPEAL OF ARTICLE IX, EXPANDED POLYSTYRENE AND PLASTICS REGULATION (RC): ORDINANCE No. 2538-2025; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, REPEALING ARTICLE IX, EXPANDED POLYSTYRENE AND PLASTICS REGULATION, OF CHAPTER 20 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES; PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.]
ITEM 20 FOR OUR CONSIDERATION, PLEASE. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2538 2025, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, REPEALING ARTICLE NINE EXPANDED POLYSTYRENE, POLY, POLYSTYRENE AND PLASTICS. REGULATION OF CHAPTER 20 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS A SECOND READING, AS YOU RECALL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO GIVE THE BACKGROUND SINCE WE ALREADY DID IT OR. DOES THE COUNTY HAVE THIS CURRENTLY? I'M SORRY, DOES THE COUNTY NOT ALLOW THESE PARTICULAR STRAWS CURRENTLY? YES, THAT'S THE CODE THAT THE FIRST READING. IT'S THAT THE PLASTIC STRAWS ARE BANNED IN MARTIN COUNTY. NO, I WAS ASKING FOR MARTIN COUNTY IN THE CITY. SO IT'S JUST THE CITY. GOTCHA. 
          THANK YOU. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ORDINANCE ON IT. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. THANKS, GUYS. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2538, 2025. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLLINS. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOB. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE? I DO NOT, NONE. SEEING NONE. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY COMMISSIONERS? YEAH. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, I THINK MIKE SPOKE ABOUT THIS AT FIRST READING AND THE COST OF THE ACTUAL STRAWS. YES, IT'S IN THE CITY. IT'D BE A FAIR PLAYING FIELD. IF IT WAS COUNTYWIDE OR STATEWIDE. IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE. TRUE. BUT COMMISSIONER, WHAT WE CAN SET AN EXAMPLE AND ENDEAVOR. AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND SOME OF THEM HAVE TRIED AND THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY CAN. I JUST THINK THAT EVERY LITTLE THING THAT WE DO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LARGE EFFECT ON ON THE WORLD, ON CLIMATE CHANGE, IT MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A LOT, BUT WHATEVER WE PRODUCE STILL GOES INTO OUR OUR LANDFILLS OR GOES INTO OUR WATERWAYS OR, OR GOES INTO ANIMALS OR ANYTHING THAT IS AFFECTED BY, BY THESE SUBSTANCES. AND IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO HELP, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO TRY. IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE A LITTLE PEBBLE IN A LARGE OCEAN, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF RESISTANCE. SOMETIMES WITH THE PAPER STRAWS AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. BUT I, I JUST THINK THAT WE CAN TRY OR MAYBE COME UP WITH SOME OTHER WAYS TO PROMOTE, YOU KNOW, NOT USING THESE SUBSTANCES. AND, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A THING TO GO BUY A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF AT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE BIG BOX STORES AND JUST THROW AWAY, THROW AWAY BECAUSE WE'RE A THROWAWAY SOCIETY. BUT. I DON'T KNOW. COMMISSIONER JOB. OH, I'M SORRY, I THAT'S FINE. I TOOK IT OFF. I'M SORRY, MR. VICE MAYOR. YEAH. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT, LET'S NOT LOSE FOCUS HERE, THAT THE REASON THAT WE'RE DOING THIS IS NOT TO OPEN THE WORLD BACK UP TO PLASTICS. 
          IN MORE RECENT YEARS, WE'RE BECOMING INCREASINGLY AWARE THAT PLANT BASED STRAWS CONTAIN, EXCEPT FOR A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF COMPANIES THAT PRODUCE THEM, PFOA AND THESE FLUORINES ARE FOUND HERE THAT SO IT'S NOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY BUSINESS OWNERS AND THEIR WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS BUSINESS OWNERS ARE ARE ALLOWED TO CHOOSE IF THEY WANT TO EXPOSE THEIR PATRONS TO, TO THE RISK OF PLASTIC VERSUS THEY CAN MAKE THAT DECISION VERSUS PFOA OR, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN PICK WHAT STRAWS TO BUY. AND THE CITY IS TAKING MORE OF A HANDS OFF APPROACH AND LETTING THE MARKET FIGURE THAT OUT WITH THIS NEXT LEVEL OF RISK. NOW FLOATING AROUND, MAYOR RICH, COMMISSIONER JUDY, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ALSO THAT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS REMOVING A BAN ON PLASTIC STRAWS. WOULD THAT PROHIBIT US? WOULD THAT PROHIBIT THE CITY PREEMPTED IF WE'RE PREEMPTED? I DON'T KNOW WHAT. I KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT DID SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT LAW IT IS BECAUSE CURRENTLY PLASTIC STRAWS ARE LEGAL ON US ONE, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT WAS BANNED IN THE FIRST PLACE TALKING ABOUT IT. SO I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO IT AND I DIDN'T REALLY CARE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T APPLY. SO IT'LL BE ON 
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FEDERAL HIGHWAY ONE. I MEAN, LIKE I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WERE BANNED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BEFORE ALSO BANNING BLACK HISTORY MONTH. THIS IS A THIS HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT ISSUE. 
          I WAS DOWN AT EBCO AND I TOOK SOME HEAT FROM THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE AWARE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS. YOU SHOULD PROBABLY TELL THE IT'S THE EVERGLADES CAMPUS. IT'S THE LARGEST GATHERING OF ALL THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS CONCERNED WITH RESTORING THE EVERGLADES. AND STUART IS WELL KNOWN, AND CERTAINLY FOR OUR CONSIDERATION OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY. I MENTIONED LAST TIME THAT THE ASSERTION THAT PFOA AND PFOS IS PRESENT IN STRAWS IS BECAUSE OF ONE STUDY. AND I WAS TOLD THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THERE ARE NUMEROUS ARTICLES THAT MENTION IT, BUT I LOOKED AT THE TOP 15 RESULTS ON GOOGLE TOP 15 ARTICLES. HERE'S FROM GREEN GENERATION FOUNDATION TOXIC PAPER STRAWS. THE SAMPLE WAS TAKEN FROM VARIOUS SHOPS IN BELGIUM. PAPER STRAWS CONTAIN TOXIC FOREVER CHEMICALS. THIS IS THE 23 STUDY IN BELGIUM. AFFIDEA THE JOURNAL OF FOOD DIAGNOSTIC BELGIAN STUDY REVEALS HIGH LEVELS OF PFAS IN PAPER. 
          SUSTAINABLE PLASTIC HAVE SOME PFAS WITH THAT STRAW, A TEAM OF RESEARCHERS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ANTWERP THAT'S DECIDED TO INVESTIGATE PLASTICS TODAY, BELGIAN RESEARCHERS HAVE FOUND YET ONE MORE REASON FOOD AND WINE. IN 2023, RESEARCHERS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF ANTWERP. THIS ARTICLE'S PACKAGING DIVE STUDY IN BELGIUM PINES PFAS RESEARCHERS FIND, SAYS UNIVERSITY OF ANTWERP IN BELGIUM. IT'S ALL. HERE'S THE ASSESSMENT OF POLY PER FLORAL ALCOHOL SUBSTANCES, THE COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE DRINKING STRAWS BELGIUM GREEN STRAWS, RAISED RED FLAG, PFAS FOREVER CHEMICALS IDENTIFIED IN 90% OF PAPER. RESEARCHERS IN BELGIUM. 
          IT'S ALL BELGIUM FINALLY. SO THAT'S THE 23. THERE HAVE BEEN NO SUBSEQUENT STUDIES. FINALLY, I FOUND A STUDY THAT WAS IN 2021, IN THE US THAT HAD THE SAME RESULT. HERE'S THE PROBLEM. 
          THEY TESTED PAPER STRAWS AND THEY TEST TESTED PLASTIC STRAWS. 90% OF THE PAPER STRAWS DID SHOW EVIDENCE OF PFAS. 75% OF THE PLASTIC STRAWS SHOWED EVIDENCE OF PFAS. SO BASED ON BASICALLY ONE STUDY, THE 21 STUDY DID NOT STUDY PLASTIC STRAWS ON ONE STUDY FOR A MODEST 15% IMPROVEMENT. WE'RE GOING TO START THROWING CRAP BACK IN THE RIVERS AND FOULING OUR RECYCLING STREAM. AND I JUST FIND IT INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SAID HERE, YOU CAN GET A STUDY TO SAY ANYTHING YOU WANT. DO WE EVEN KNOW IF THIS BELGIUM STUDY WAS PAID FOR BY THE PLASTIC STRAW INDUSTRY? BUT I HAVE NEVER SEEN A DECISION BASED ON LESS EVIDENCE THAN THIS ONE TONIGHT. 
          YOU HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT IN YOUR. IN A STUDY YOU HAVE TO. OKAY. SO. I JUST I DON'T THINK WE'RE REALLY SOLVING THE PROBLEM HERE. AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CLARK THAT WE MUST MAKE EVERY EFFORT HOW SMALL IT IS TO SEEK IMPROVEMENT, TO KEEP, TO STOP POLLUTING. AND THERE'S A VERY REAL COST OF. FOULING OUR OUR RECYCLING STREAM. AND SO I'M NOT WILLING TO OVERTURN THE BAN AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO JUST ON A CURSORY GLANCE, I THINK MAYBE WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE MISSED IS ACTUALLY GOING INTO PUBMED, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH, AS A DATABASE FOR ALL PROVIDERS, ALL RESEARCHERS COMPILE RESEARCH VERSUS ARTICLES THAT MIGHT BE REFERENCING ONE RESEARCH PAPER. AND YOU GO INTO PUBMED AND YOU SEARCH, YOU CAN START TO GO THROUGH, AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT WHAT PAPERS THEY'RE CITING. AND SO JUST ON A CURSORY GLANCE, I'VE GOT THREE IN FRONT OF ME. AND THEN IF YOU START TO GO INTO THEIR PAPERS YOU CAN PULL THEIR CITATIONS. SO IT'S NOT JUST ONE STUDY, OKAY. WE'VE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. WE DID HAVE PUBLIC RIGHT. 
          WE DID OKAY. WAS IT MORE PUBLIC? ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, 
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ROLL CALL PLEASE. VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. SELBY. YES. COMMISSIONER. REED. 
          YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. NO. MAYOR. RICH. NO. PLEASE. HERE WE GO. ANYONE? CAN WE TAKE A BREAK? NOPE. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING. OKAY. KEEP GOING. ITEM NUMBER 21, MR. BAGGETT. ALL RIGHT. 
          ORDINANCE NUMBER TWO, 539 DASH 2025, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING AND RESTATING THE CITY CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. CHAPTER TWO ZONING DISTRICTS USES ALLOWED DENSITY. INTENSITY. CHAPTER THREE SPECIAL ZONING CODES. 
          CHAPTER FIVE RESOURCE PROTECTION RELATED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. AND CHAPTER SIX ON SITE AND OFF SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHICH WERE DETERMINED DURING THE ZONING AND PROGRESS UNDER SECTION 1.04.04 OF STUART LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. SO WE'RE ON THIS ITEM. 
          I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, THIS IS THE FIRST READING. I HAD THAT QUESTION EARLIER BY ONE OF YOU. 
          DO I HAVE THE DATE BE THE SIXTH? YOU WOULD HAVE WANTED TO DO THAT WHEN WE VOTED ON IT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO. WE NEED TO RAISE IT BACK AND ASK, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE MOTION AND THE SECONDER WAS ON THAT, BUT WE NEED TO. SO JUST, JUST, JUST QUICKLY IN THE PREVIOUS ITEM FOR THE GOING AND MEETING WITH THE COUNTY FOR THE DATE, I THINK THE RESOLUTION SAID MARCH 5TH, COMMISSIONER COLLINS IS REQUESTING THAT IT'S MARCH 6TH, BUT IT WASN'T AMENDED TO SAY MARCH 6TH. SO YOU HAVE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO CHANGE IT SO THAT AN AMENDMENT OR RECONSIDERATION OF THE MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION OF THE MATTER TO. BUT IT'S REALLY YOU COULD DO IT IN TWO STEPS OR ONE, YOU COULD JUST SAY WE'RE GOING TO AMEND IT TO MARCH 6TH, THEN AMEND IT, OR YOU COULD DO A MOTION TO RECONSIDERATION, HAVE DISCUSSION AND VOTE. THEN WHEN THE RECONSIDERATION IS GRANTED, WE CAN THEN HAVE THE AGENDA ITEM AGAIN AND HEAR IT AGAIN AND HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE IT MARCH 6TH. SO CAN WE JUST CAN WE JUST HAVE CONSENSUS TO MOVE TO THE 6TH OR MARCH 6TH? RIGHT. HE DOESN'T WANT MARCH 5TH. OKAY, I GOT IT. WE JUST HAVE CONSENSUS TO THE COUNTY PROVIDED EITHER DATE. YES. BOTH DATES ARE AVAILABLE. JUST THE RESOLUTIONS OF MARCH 
          [18. AUTHORIZATION TO SCHEDULE INITIAL CONFLICT ASSESSMENT MEETING (RC): RESOLUTION No. 30-2025; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING CITY STAFF TO SCHEDULE THE INITIAL CONFLICT ASSESSMENT MEETING WITH MARTIN COUNTY PURSUANT TO THE FLORIDA GOVERNMENTAL CONFLICT RESOLUTION ACT, FLORIDA STATUTES §§ 164.101-164.1065; AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY AND OTHER DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE TO ATTEND THE INITIAL CONFLICT ASSESSMENT MEETING; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. (Part 2 of 2)]
5TH BECAUSE IT WAS FIRST. OKAY. SO CAN WE JUST RE CONSENSUS? YEAH. JUST A MOTION. NO. IF YOU WOULD JUST MOTION TO CHANGE IT FROM THERE I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE TAKE THAT RESOLUTION 20 2530 2025. SHE WAS A MOVEMENT. I WAS THE ONE WHO MADE THE MOTION TO BEGIN. SHE DOESN'T AGREE TO THAT. OR WE JUST HAVE A NEW MOTION. IT DOESN'T MATTER, RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. VICE MAYOR. YES, MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT. WE AMEND ITEM 18. 
          THAT WOULD BE RESOLUTION 30 2025 TO INCLUDE THE DATE OF MARCH 6TH ON A THURSDAY INSTEAD OF MARCH 5TH. AND THE VICE MAYOR WOULD BE THE ONE THAT I WOULD BE THE ONE RESCINDING. EVERYTHING'S THE SAME. THAT'S THE SAME. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. WE NEED A TIME FOR THE MEETING AT ALL. NO, BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE TO SCHEDULE THAT, FIGURE IT OUT. SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM KNOW. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MAYOR RICH. YES. VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES. MAYOR. COMMISSIONER. CLARK. YES. COMMISSIONER. GIOVI. YES. 
          [21. ZONING IN PROGRESS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENTS IMPLEMENTATION (LEGISLATIVE) (RC): ORDINANCE No. 2539-2025; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING AND RESTATING THE CITY’S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER II ZONING DISTRICTS USES ALLOWED, DENSITY, INTENSITY, CHAPTER III SPECIAL ZONING CODES, CHAPTER V RESOURCE PROTECTION RELATED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND CHAPTER VI ON-SITE AND OFF-SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WHICH WERE DETERMINED DURING THE "ZONING IN PROGRESS" UNDER SECTION 1.04.04, STUART LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE; PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
COMMISSIONER. REED. YES. THANK YOU GUYS. OKAY. SO 21. WHY DON'T YOU GO? SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO READ IT AGAIN. MR. BAGGETT, I FINISHED. DID YOU READ IT ALL? I FINISHED READING IT AND I MADE THE COMMENT JUST TO REMIND YOU, I HAD A QUESTION EARLIER TODAY. THIS IS THE FIRST IS A LEGISLATIVE. CORRECT. BUT IT'S THE FIRST READING AS WELL. SO SOMEONE HAD ASKED ME IF THIS WAS THE FIRST OR SECOND. SO WE DON'T HAVE A SHEET FOR A LEGISLATIVE. NO, NO. OKAY. SO ANYTHING WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF WITH REGARD TO. NO LEGISLATIVE. OKAY. I MEAN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. CAN CAN CAN WE TALK ABOUT HOW DO YOU WANT TO VOTE ON DO YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THIS ALL AT ONCE OR PIECE BY PIECE OR WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THIS. SO I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE RESOLUTION AND ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT WERE ADOPTED OR CHANGED BECAUSE LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONE RESOLUTION HAS THE TEN FOOT SETBACKS, BUT YOU GUYS AGREED TO LEAVE THEM THE WAY THEY WERE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S CHANGED. BUT IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. YOU CAN SAY, FIRST OF ALL, ON FIRST READING, YOU TECHNICALLY COULD JUST MOVE IT TO SECOND READING. MR. MAYOR, HOLD ON. JUST. CLARIFICATION FOR THE CHANGES. RIGHT? I'M JUST WE SHOULD GO THROUGH. WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE OUR MINDS UP READING. I THINK WE DID. I KNOW THE LPA. NO, BUT READING AS WE'RE 
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LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION. YES. THINKING ON HOW WE WANT TO VOTE ON IT. MR. MAYOR, CAN I SEE IT? YES, COMMISSIONER CLARK, PRESENTATION. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT A LOT OF YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE WANTING TO SEE CLARIFICATION. AND WHEN YOU GET PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT THERE'S OTHER CLARIFICATIONS AND IT'S GOING TO KIND OF DRIVE IT BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO START MAKING CHANGES. OKAY. MR. MAYOR, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? YOU CERTAINLY. OKAY. SO THIS COMMENT IS RELATED TO THIS QUESTION, BUT TECHNICALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS QUESTION. SO THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 2020. NUMBER 21, REGARDING THE ZONING IN PROGRESS, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY INVOLVED AND SOMEWHAT CONTROVERSIAL. AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD MISS RUDGE COME HERE SEVERAL TIMES AND HAS SAID, WELL, LET THE PUBLIC SPEAK FIRST. AND I KNOW THAT TONIGHT WE DID TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THE PUBLIC ON CERTAIN THINGS. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THIS LARGE ITEM THAT AFFECTS SO MANY PEOPLE AND IT STARTING AT 930 AT NIGHT, AND WE HAVE SO MUCH TO GO THROUGH AND WE HAVE CHANGES FROM THE CRB RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE LPA. I'M REALLY, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT EVEN MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS TONIGHT WHEN WE HAVE WHEN WE'RE AT 9:30 P.M, WHAT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MEETINGS UNTIL 2:00 IN THE MORNING, BUT THAT'S THE SAME REASON WHY THE PUBLIC SAYS, WELL, THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING NEFARIOUS DOWN AT CITY HALL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT BEFORE WE START ANYTHING. AND AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE CHANGE CERTAIN THINGS ABOUT OUR COMMENT, AND WE HAVE TO ADOPT ANY CHANGES ON THE WAY OUR AGENDA IS PRESENTED, I'LL BRING THAT UP THE NEXT TIME. BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING AT 930 WITH A VERY, VERY IS IT 930 OR 930 WITH A VERY, VERY COMPLEX SUBJECT MATTER? ALL RIGHT. JODI, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC? NO, I JUST I'M JUST MAKING MY COMMENT. JORDAN, LET LET IT RIP. SORRY. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. MY NAME IS JERRY KOOGLER. I'M THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WITH THE CITY OF STUART. MY PRESENTATION IS JUST GOING TO BE SHORT. IT'S JUST REALLY OUTLINING WHAT WHAT STAFF HEARD AND WHAT THE RESOLUTION, AND JUST TRYING TO GATHER ALL THE INFORMATION AND HOW IT WAS PRESENTED. I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH WHAT YOU REQUESTED STAFF TO MAKE CHANGES. THE FIRST ONE WAS THE SELF STORAGE MINI WAREHOUSES, ONLY PERMITTED IN INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. AND IF I IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT CORRECT OR THERE'S MISSING MISSING, PLEASE STOP ME AND LET ME KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO ADD OR SUBTRACT. NO PARKING WAIVERS OR SHARED PARKING. ALL PARKING IS TO BE CALCULATED ON BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES. CHANGE LOT AND OR LOT OF RECORD TO PARCEL AND OR PARCEL RECORD AND DEFINE IT. RESTORE ALL RESIDENTIAL PARCELS TO 6000FT■!S WITH ADDED LANGUAGE THAT ALL PARCELS OF RECORD AS OF SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024 ARE DEEMED LEGAL. CONFORMING PARCELS AND ANY NEWLY CREATED PARCELS MUST COMPLY WITH 6000FTS CITYWIDE. THE OTHER ONES IS REMOVE HALF UNITS AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS, REMOVE REQUIREMENTS FOR RV, RV, EV CHARGERS PER STATE STATUTE, ONLY. FAMILIES ONLY. SINGLE FAMILY. APPROVED ALL OTHER USES UNDER THE BMU AND GROW REQUIRE CITY COMMISSION APPROVAL WITHIN THE EAST STUART. INCREASE, THE NORMAL INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS BY 0.5 FOR ONE AND TWO BEDROOM MULTIFAMILY. 
          INCREASED SHADE TREE CALCULATION FOR MULTIFAMILY TO 60% COVERAGE. ADUS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE OCCUPIED UNLESS OWNER OR PROPERTY LIVES IN THE PRIMARY OR THE ADU. ADUS REQUIRE ONLY ONE WATER AND ELECTRICAL METER. NON-CONFORMING DUPLEXES, AND NEAR FLAMINGO THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED R-1 SHALL NOT EXPAND, OR ANY IMPROVEMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO 50% OR CURRENT VALUE. 
          REFER TO SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT DEFINITION THAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED WITHIN CHAPTER 11. 
          AND THEN THAT ONE I THINK WE TOOK OUT TO DISCUSS AT A FUTURE DATE. OKAY, SO JUST REMOVE THIS ONE. IN GENERAL, THE DUPLEXES OKAY. SO I'LL GO BACK TO THAT ONE. JUST REMOVE THAT. I WILL REMOVE IT. AND THE OTHER ONE WAS THE FAR RATIO MULTIFAMILY. FAR MULTIFAMILY SHALL BE REDUCED BY REDUCED BY COMMERCIAL. FOR EACH 800FT■!S OF COMMERCIAL, THE DENSITY OF THE PROPERTY SHALL BE 
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REDUCED TO. ONE UNIT SHALL BE REDUCED ONE UNIT. SO WE DID TAKE SOME OF THESE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE DIFFERENT BOARDS FOR OUR CRB AND OUR LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY. THIS WAS HEARD AT OUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD ON FEBRUARY 4TH, AND THEY VOTED TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND TO REQUEST TO SLOW DOWN, PROVIDE ANALYSIS AND CREATE A MASTER COMMUNITY MASTER PLAN WITH COMMUNITY PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. AND THEN OUR LPA AGREED WITH MOST OF THE CHANGES. 
          THEY DID REQUEST THAT THE STEWARD PROPOSED CHANGES SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AND SEPARATED AT THIS POINT, UNTIL THE COMMUNITY HAS OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AND GAIN FEEDBACK FROM ITS RESIDENTS, AND ALSO, THE CITY COMMISSION SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE MASTER PLAN EMAILED BY MR. CHRISTY FOR THE EASTERN PORTION AND HOLD PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY. SO AFTER WE ADOPT THE CHANGES, WE WILL HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NECESSARY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO. SO THIS IS JUST WOULD BE LIKE RIGHT AFTER SECOND READING. BASICALLY, WE WOULD START DISCUSSING THOSE COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS. IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ON MARCH 10TH JUST BECAUSE THAT AGENDA IS GOING TO BE FULL, BUT IT'D BE THE SECOND MEETING IN MARCH BECAUSE WE CAN DISCUSS. THAT. SO. SO A LOT OF YOUR LANGUAGE HAS BEEN CHANGED SINCE YOUR FIRST REVISIONS, JUST BECAUSE OF THE PUBLISH DATE. WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME LETTERS FROM A FROM OUTSIDE COUNSEL REGARDING SOME LANGUAGE. WE DID TRY TO PUT THAT SPECIFICALLY IS TO WIN THE LOTS WERE ADOPTED AND WHEN THEY IF THEY BECOME LEGAL NONCONFORMING OR SO JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU CAN'T JUST SAY WE'LL START DISCUSSING COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. THAT IS AN ENTIRE PROCESS, I KNOW. BUT THIS COMMISSION MANDATED BY STATE LAW THAT WE ARE REQUIRED, THAT IT'S VERY LENGTHY. AND THIS COMMISSION WOULD SEND FORTH THOSE AMENDMENTS FOR REVIEW AFTER STUDY AND PUBLIC MEETINGS. AND YEAH, IT'S A VERY MICROPHONE. IT'S A VERY LENGTHY, INVOLVED PROCESS. WE JUST DON'T SAY WE WANT TO CHANGE THIS. AND IN THE SAME WAY THAT OUR CITY COMMISSION MADE MANY OF THESE CHANGES AROUND DENSITY AND HALF UNITS AND AFTER STUDY CHANGE, OUR COMP PLAN, WE CAN ALSO DO THAT AND RESTORE IT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS BEFORE THEY DID THAT, PROVIDED WE OBTAIN THOSE STUDIES. YEAH, RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT JUST A WHIM. IT'S NOT A WHIM AT ALL. YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT THERE'S A ARE YOU GOOD? I'M GOOD. I JUST IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT I MISSED, LET ME START RIPPING THROUGH THESE. IF. IS THAT OKAY? THANK YOU, MR. VICE MAYOR. MR. MAYOR, DON'T YOU. AREN'T YOU GOING TO DO THE PRESENTATION WITH THE TEXT CHANGES? I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT WAS CAPTURED. 
          BASED ON WHAT YOU REQUESTED STAFF TO CHANGE. SO THE LANGUAGE IS IN A STRIKETHROUGH UNDERLYING FORMAT. WHEN IT COMES TO YOU TO BE ADOPTED. IT WILL BE IN AN ORDINANCE FORMAT. WHAT'S THAT? HOW DO WE COMMENT ON IT? WE HAD WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BEFORE WE PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. I DON'T KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS GOING TO BE MOVED FOR SECOND READING. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY YOU WANT TO VOTE ON IT AS A WHOLE THEN IN ITS ENTIRETY. WELL, THIS THIS ITEM WILL BE APPROVED AT SECOND READING TODAY. TODAY WE'RE NOT REALLY APPROVING. WE'RE MAKING ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS. ARE YOU SAYING YOU DON'T WANT TO VOTE ON IT AT ALL? WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS, BUTTON IT UP. AND THEN WE WOULD FORMALLY VOTE ON IT AT THE SECOND READING. THAT'S OUR THAT'S OUR THAT'S HOW WE DO IT. WE COULD VOTE ON IT, BUT IT WOULD BE A FORMALITY AT EACH LANGUAGE CHANGE. YEAH, I WANT TO GO I WANT TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE SECTIONS. OKAY. SO IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION FROM THE IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISHES TO COMMENT ON ANY SECTION THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING, I WOULD SIMPLY ASK THEM TO COME FORWARD AT THAT TIME. SO YEAH, THERE'S A PARTICULAR ITEM WE'RE DISCUSSING. YEAH. AND THEY WOULDN'T BE LIMITED TO JUST THAT ONE, MR. SCHROTH. YES. SO YOU WANT TO COME WHEN WE JUST HAVE THIS COMPREHENSIVE OVERVIEW AT THIS POINT? OKAY, FINE. NO THAT'S FINE. I WANT TO GET CLARITY. I MEAN, JUST LETTING YOU ALL KNOW I TAKE ISSUE WITH THE IDEA THAT AN ACCESSORY 
          [05:20:08]
DWELLING UNIT HAS TO BE OCCUPIED OR THE OWNER HAS TO OCCUPY THE HOUSE. I MEAN, I HAVE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. IF YOU'RE TELLING ME I HAVE TO OCCUPY MY HOUSE IN ORDER FOR THAT DWELLING UNIT TO BE OCCUPIED, THAT WILL BE A PROBLEM. ALSO, I THINK PROCEDURALLY THERE'S SOME CONFUSION BECAUSE IF YOU PASS LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN CONFLICT WITH YOUR COMP PLAN, I THINK THAT LAWSUIT WRITES ITSELF. AND SO THE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE JUST THINK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THE MAYOR IS TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT THAT A LAND, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT ISN'T LIKE SOME SLAM DUNK DEAL YOU JUST SEND TO RONNIE BOY AND HAVE HIM SIGN LIKE IT'S A PROCESS THAT TYPICALLY COMES BEFORE YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES AND ALL OF THOSE, ALL THIS STUFF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGES CAME FIRST. AND SO IN DOING IT BACKWARDS HERE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE CASE. I THINK YOU'RE OPENING YOURSELF UP TO THANK YOU. QUITE A BIT OF LITIGATION. AND AS A TAXPAYER IN THE CITY OF STUART, WHO MANAGES MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF OUR CLIENT'S BUILDINGS THAT PAY TAXES IN THE CITY OF STUART, I WOULD ASK YOU TO PROTECT OUR TAX DOLLARS, PLEASE. THANK YOU. OKAY. COULD NOT ON AN ITEM RIGHT NOW. YEAH. COULD YOU JUST PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE? NO, NO, WE'LL GET TO YOU. IT'S A LITTLE HAPHAZARD BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH MATERIAL. GO AHEAD. NO, GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. I'D JUST LIKE TO REITERATE, AS FAR AS THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING FOR THE EAST STUART COMMUNITY THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT WE WOULD LIKE. SO MOVING FORWARD, I THINK YOU PREFACED THE CONVERSATION BY SAYING THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO PROTECT US FROM BIG LAND DEVELOPERS COMING IN. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A CONCERN WITH US. AS I SAID, MOST OF THE PROPERTIES ARE OWNED BY CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS. I KNOW. MY FAMILY CERTAINLY HAS NO INTENT ON SELLING, SO WE'D LIKE TO DEVELOP OUR OWN PROPERTY, BUT YOU WOULD BE LIMITING US AS TO WHAT? HOW WE COULD PROCEED. MY UNCLES OWN A LOT OF PROPERTY. THEY'RE NOT SELLING. SO IF YOU COULD WORK WITH US TO HELP US TO DEVELOP OUR OWN PROPERTY, WE WOULDN'T BE CONCERNED ABOUT OTHER LAND DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE NOT SELLING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON EACH ITEM AS YOU MOVE FORWARD. THIS IS MARCELLA CAMPBELL FOR THE RECORD. BEFORE WE START, I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION. TWO THINGS THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID. READ AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER FIVE. IF I HEARD THAT CORRECTLY. I WANT CLARIFICATION FOR THAT BECAUSE CHAPTER FIVE IS NOT POSTED AS PART OF THE ANY OF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT SHOWED ANY CHANGES, ONLY CHAPTERS THREE SI, THE DEFINITION AND SPECIAL ZONING. OKAY, JUST CLARIFICATION. IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS NOT POSTED THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN, BUT I ALSO MAYBE THINK IT MAKES SENSE. STAFF MENTIONED THAT THE LPA AGREED WITH ALMOST ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT THE LPA MOTIONS WERE. I WAS HERE, ONE OF TWO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, AND STOOD THROUGH THE WHOLE MEETING. ONE OF THE MOTIONS OF THE LPA WAS THAT THEY DISAGREED WITH THE INCREASES IN THE PARKING, AND THEY DISAGREED WITH THE ELIMINATION OF THE SHARED PARKING. THE SECOND MOTION WAS THAT THEY WANTED EAST STUART TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION SEPARATELY. THAT WAS PUT ON THE SCREEN. AND THEN IT WAS ALSO STATED THAT THEY DISAGREED WITH THE FAR REDUCTION IN THE FORMULA AND THEY WERE SENDING IT BACK. 
          SO I DON'T SEE HOW THAT MESHES WITH SAYING THAT. THE LPA AGREED WITH ALMOST EVERYTHING. SO CAN WE READ THE MOTIONS OR IS IT DOES IT NOT MATTER? IS THERE A PARTICULAR ITEM THAT YOU'RE TAKING ISSUE WITH RIGHT NOW? JUST GENERALLY I'M INTO THE STAFF PRESENTATIONS. YEAH, BECAUSE IT WAS JUST STATED THAT THE LPA AGREED WITH ALMOST EVERYTHING AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MOTION STATED. SO WHICH ONE IS IT? DID THEY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING OR DID THEY HAVE ISSUES? JUST CLARIFICATION PLEASE. YEAH. JODY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLARIFY YOUR CHARACTERIZATION OF THE LPA RECOMMENDATIONS? YES, MARCELLA IS CORRECT. I, I FAILED TO PUT THAT INTO THE PRESENTATION. I DID PUT IN A GREEN SLIP. SO SHE WAS CORRECT. AS REGARDS WHAT AS FAR AS THE FAR, THEY WANTED MORE METHODOLOGY OF HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE 800FT■!S IN THE PARKING 
          [05:25:01]
REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. HELEN MCBRIDE. I'M JUST GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH WITH SANDY NEWMAN WAS THE FIRST WHEN SHE SPOKE IN THE VERY BEGINNING, BACK IN 1913, EASTER WAS FOUNDED. NO NEED. THE BLACK PEOPLE COULD LIVE THERE. AND THE BOUNDARIES WERE THE RAILROAD TRACK. WELL, I CAN'T NOW. PALM BEACH ROAD, 10TH STREET, MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD, THEY COULD LEAVE THE AREA TO WORK IN THE HOMES AROUND THE FIELDS, BUT THEY HAD TO BE BACK IN AT A CERTAIN HOUR. THE REASON THERE'S COMMERCIAL AREAS IN EAST STUART IS THE BLACK PEOPLE. AND DON'T APOLOGIZE. YOU KNOW, YOU YOU ALL KNOW ME. WELL. I KNOW MISS SHIRLEY AND HER FAMILY OWNED A GROCERY STORE IN EAST STUART TO GET THE BREAD AND THE PRODUCE FOR THEIR STORE. 
          THEY TOOK A WAGON AND AT A CERTAIN HOUR HAD TO GO AND PICK IT UP AT THE PRODUCE PLACE OR THE BAKERY, BUT THEY HAD TO BE BACK IN AT A CERTAIN HOUR. AND THAT'S WHY THE COMMERCIAL AREAS IN EAST STUART NOW, IN 1963, WHEN THE INTEGRATION WAS THAT THE OLDER PEOPLE WERE NOT THAT WILLING TO LEAVE IN THAT, BUT SLOWLY THE YOUNG PEOPLE DID AND THEY WERE SHOPPING IN THE WHITE STORES AND THAT SO THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW THE RESIDENTIAL, THE COMMERCIAL AREAS WENT OUT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T NEEDED. BUT THESE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE HERE, AND I BLESS THEM ALL FOR COMING AND STANDING UP FOR THEIR RIGHTS. BUT I GO TO THE 10TH STREET AND I'M ONE OF THE SENIORS. I'M ONE OF THE YOUNG ONES. I'M 88 NOW, MRS. LEWIS. AND ANYONE YOU KNOW, MRS. JESSIE LEWIS, SHE'S GOING TO BE 91 FRIDAY. WE'VE GOT A 97, A 95 AND 93 BLACK PEOPLE. AND WHEN I GO BACK LIKE TOMORROW AND I'LL TELL THEM ABOUT THIS MEETING AND THA, AND I'LL SAY ABOUT COMING. THEY SAID, OH, I BOTHER MISS HELEN. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO. WE'RE SO USED TO BEING SPIT ON, KICKED AND SHOVED ASIDE AND THEY PAT US ON THE HEAD OR ON THE BACK AND SAY, OH, DON'T WORRY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF YOU. THEY DON'T. BUT I'M HOPING AND PRAYING YOU FIVE UP THERE ARE GOING TO LISTEN. AND YOU SAY, WE'LL HAVE A MEETING. WELL, I COME MY FAMILY. I'M BECAUSE IT'S GETTING TOUGH TO DRIVE AT NIGHT BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO GO OUT AT NIGHT. AND WHEN THEY COME TO MEETINGS AND I'VE GONE TO MANY, MANY MEETINGS AT THAT 10TH STREET AND THEY ALL SPOKE, AND SOMETIMES I'VE SPOKEN, BUT NO ONE LISTENS TO THEM AND NO MR. BELL. AND WE ALL KNOW MR. BELL. 
          HE AND HE'D GET UP AND HE WAS. AND I KNOW AT ONE MEETING AND ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT HE WANTED TO SPEAK, AND SHE WENT, OH, NO. AND SHE WANTED TO GIVE ME THE PHONE MICROPHONE. I SAID, NO, MR. BELL WILL SPEAK BEFORE ME. EXCUSE ME, BUT I RESPECT ALL PEOPLE. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR COLOR OR NATIONALITY. YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO LISTEN AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS GONE THROUGH. AND I'VE LISTENED TO THEM ALL. AND THIS I LOVE WHEN THEY TELL THE STORY. NOT THIS. THEY'RE NOT STORIES. THEY'RE TELLING THE ACTUAL HISTORY AND FACTS OF EAST STUART. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY, JODY. THIS IS YOUR SECTION TWO. THIS IS WHERE MOST OF THE CHANGES AND OTHER SOME OF THE MOST OF THE CHANGES IN IN IN CHAPTER THREE, IF YOU'LL SEE SOME OF IT'S BEEN LET ME JUST START FROM THE BEGINNING. SO LIKE YOU'LL SEE IN THIS IT'S SEE WHERE IT'S CROSSED OUT IS INSTEAD OF LOT IS NOW PARCEL. AGAIN I'LL JUST KIND OF SCROLL THROUGH. AND IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR SECTION THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS, JUST LET ME KNOW. I THINK THIS IS THE TABLE AND THIS IS WHERE WE CHANGED IT TO, TO JUST PUT THE SELF STORAGE AND MANY WAREHOUSES AND INDUSTRIAL ONLY AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, WAREHOUSE AND GENERAL STORAGE WAREHOUSE MINI STORAGE AND WAREHOUSE. WHOLESALE AND DISTRIBUTION IS JUST SHOWING NOW INTO THE INDUSTRIAL AREA. THIS IS ALSO IF YOU HAVE A BY IT, THAT MEANS IT'S A PERMITTED BY ALLOWED THROUGH CITY COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING. AND WE JUST ADDED A LANGUAGE SAYING BY RESOLUTION JUST TO GIVE CLARIFICATION HOW YOU WOULD ADOPT THAT. YOU SAID WE COULD ASK QUESTIONS. YES, ABSOLUTELY. I'LL JUST DO IT NOW BECAUSE IT'S 
          [05:30:07]
ONE OF THE MAIN QUESTIONS AS WE GO. GO AHEAD. YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN QUESTIONS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE EAST STUART AREA. THAT WORD A I MEAN, THAT LETTER A ALLOWED THROUGH CITY COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. AND I WANT TO KNOW IF THAT A WHEN THAT A COMES UP IN THE OTHER USE TABLES IF THAT'S THE SAME A THE SAME PROCESS. BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME IDEA THAT, NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE ENTIRE HEARING PROCESS, WHICH IS LPA COMMISSION, SOMETHING JUST HAS TO ONLY COME IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION. SO I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WHEN IT SAYS A, THE SAME MEANING AND DEFINITION GOES THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT AND IT'S THE SAME PROCESS. COMMISSIONER CLARK, WE DID USE THE SAME LANGUAGE CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT. AND YOUR CHAPTER THREE, WHERE YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE TABLE FOR EAST STUART, THE A IS THE SAME PROCESS. THEY JUST GO THROUGH THE CITY COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. AND WHAT IS THAT PROCESS? JODY. MISS. SORRY, MISS. MISS COOGLER THAT'S FINE. IT WOULD JUST BE COMING FOR THE BOARD. BE LIKE ANY OTHER RESOLUTION. YOU WOULD JUST IT WOULD BE LISTED ON THE AGENDA. 
          YOU TAKE ACTION ON IT AND PEOPLE CAN COMMENT ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE AGENDA ITEM ONLY IN FRONT OF THE BOARD, NOT IN FRONT OF THE LPA. THAT IS CORRECT. IT'S A FOOTNOTE RIGHT THERE. IS THAT CHANGING OUR OWN COMP PLAN? I APPRECIATE THAT PROCESS. NOW DID YOU HEAR THE MAYOR, MISS COOPER DID NOT HEAR THE MAYOR. IS THAT CASUAL TO USE? IT'S JUST A USE. IT'S NOT A ZONING CHANGE. OKAY? LAND USE CHANGE. IT'S JUST A USE. SO IT WOULD BE LIKE ALMOST COMING WITH A CONDITIONAL USE. 
          THEN IT WOULD NOT BE ADVERTISED THE SAME AS IS IF YOU WERE APPROVING A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION FOR A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND YOU WOULD APPROVE IT THROUGH A RESOLUTION. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LPA OR AN IRB. IT'S JUST AN APPROVAL THROUGH THE CITY COMMISSION. AND THAT PLAN WOULD HAVE TO COME WITH A PLAN LIKE A SIGNED I. I'M HAVING SIDE CONVERSATION, MR. MAYOR. YEAH. 
          I'M SORRY. CAN I FINISH MY THOUGHT, MISS COOGLER? THANK YOU. THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO IN WITH A WITH THE ENGINEER PLAN AND A PROPOSAL, A FULL PROPOSAL, SO THAT THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO CONSIDER IT AND ADOPT IT AT 1 OR 2 HEARINGS. OR IS IT JUST A CONCEPTUAL. SO TYPICALLY IF THE SO THERE'S TWO PARTS OF IT. THIS IS JUST ALLOWING THE USE. YES. SO IT WOULD JUST BE A USE ALLOWABLE OF A USE. IT WOULD STILL FOLLOW THE SAME GUIDELINES IF IT'S UNDER THE 50,000 THRESHOLD OR THE OVER 50,000. SO IF YOU HAVE A USE IN THE IN THE EAST STUART DISTRICT AND YOU WANT TO PUT IN A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BEFORE IT WAS PERMITTED BY RIGHT NOW YOU JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE THE USE. IF THE IF THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE IS LESS THAN THE 50,000, THEN IT WOULD JUST GO THROUGH ADMINISTRATION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT'S JUST DISCUSSING THE A. BUT WHEN WE DO GET TO EAST STUART I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THE TABLE THAT GOT REALLY CHANGED WHERE SOME THINGS WERE ALLOWED BY. RIGHT. WHICH CREATES A CERTAIN PREDICTABILITY. AND NOW IT HAS TO COME IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION WHEN IT COULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED BY. RIGHT. BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN IT SAYS A, THAT PROCESS IS ALLOWED THROUGH CITY COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. THANK YOU. AND THE WAY THAT STAFF INTERPRETS THAT, UNLESS THERE'S UNLESS LEGAL OR THE BOARD SEEKS DIFFERENTLY. THIS IS JUST BASICALLY THE USE THAT THEY WOULD GO FOR. THE BOARD. DOES THIS MAKE EXISTING FACILITIES NON-CONFORMING? NO. WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT WHEN WE DO AN ORDINANCE? OH I'M SORRY, GO ON. BETWEEN MR. BAGGETT AND MR. COOGLER. GO ON. SO MAJORITY OF OUR LANGUAGE FOR THE PARKING AND FOR THE LAND USE SIZE OR THE PARCEL SIZE, TALKING ABOUT THE STORAGE SPECIFICALLY, YES. WE DON'T HAVE ANY LANGUAGE IN THERE CURRENTLY. I'M GOING TO REFER THAT BACK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. SO IT IT WILL MAKE THE EXISTING USES NON-CONFORMING. AND AS A RESULT, THINK ABOUT IT AS LIKE AN ADULT RESTAURANT OR ADULT ENTERTAINMENT PLACE. WHEN THEY BANNED THAT TYPE OF RESTAURANT OR BUSINESS FROM BEING IN STUART, THERE WERE THREE. AND IF 
          [05:35:03]
IT GOES OUT OF BUSINESS FOR MORE THAN 180 DAYS, IT LOSES ITS STATUS OF THAT BUSINESS AND THEN IS NO LONGER ALLOWED TO REOPEN AND GETS CONVERTED INTO A DIFFERENT USE. THE COMMISSION DIDN'T GIVE US DIRECTION TO IT'S ESSENTIALLY IT'S GRANDFATHERED MEANING IT'S STAY AND STAY IN ITS PLACE. AND WHILE IT'S OPEN AS SO LONG AS IT'S OPEN. BUT IF IT EVER CLOSES DOWN OR GETS BURNED TO THE GROUND, IT DOESN'T COME BACK UNLESS THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION. WHERE'S THE FOOTNOTE? BECAUSE THAT'S A NON-CONFORMING USE. THAT'S ZONING LAW. OKAY. BUT IF THE IS THAT WHAT WE WANT? THAT'S THE QUESTION. IF THE COMMISSION WANTS IT TO BE A THESE SITES THAT ALREADY HAVE STORAGE FACILITIES ON THEM CAN ALWAYS BE REBUILT AS STORAGE FACILITIES. 
          YOU WOULD NEED TO ADD LANGUAGE TO THAT EFFECT. BUT YOU KNOW I THAT'S TOTALLY YOUR DISCRETION. 
          THE INTENTION WAS TO TRY AND GET IF YOU. SO THE INTENTION WAS TO NOT HAVE STORAGE FACILITIES ALL OVER THE PLACE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE PEOPLE REALLY LIKE THEM. THEY DON'T CREATE ANY TYPES OF JOBS, THEY'RE JUST A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE FOR PEOPLE TO HOARD STUFF THEY DON'T NEED. 
          SO IF THEY SEE CEASE OPERATION FOR HOW MANY DAYS, 180. SO NOT NOT IF YOU GO ON VACATION, IF YOU DON'T PAY YOUR BUSINESS TAX AND YOU DON'T ACTUALLY YOU CLOSE DOWN. IT'S NOT A BUSINESS. JUST LIKE IF YOU WERE A RESTAURANT, JUST, YOU KNOW, IN DOWNTOWN STUART AND YOU HAVE THE LIQUOR LICENSE, IF YOU CLOSE OPERATIONS FOR 180 DAYS, YOU LOSE YOUR LIQUOR LICENSE IN DOWNTOWN STUART, AND IT GETS AUCTIONED OFF TO THE NEXT PERSON IN THE LIQUOR AREA. AND THE AGAIN, THE ADULT RESTAURANT STUFF, IF THEY CLOSED THAT ONE NORTH OF THE BRIDGE EVER CLOSE FOR 180 DAYS, IT WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO RETURN. AND THERE'S OTHER CHANGES THAT HAD BEEN MADE. FOR EXAMPLE, AUTO REPAIR SHOPS THAT WERE NOT INSIDE WHEN THE URBAN CODE WAS ADOPTED IN 1998, THE ONLY PLACE YOU COULD HAVE AUTO REPAIR SHOPS WAS ON US ONE OR ON SAVANNAH ROAD. AND SO IF AN AUTO REPAIR SHOP WENT OUT OF BUSINESS FOR MORE THAN 180 DAYS, IT COULDN'T COME BACK UNLESS IT WAS INDOOR AUTO REPAIR RATHER THAN OUTDOOR AUTO REPAIR. PURSUANT TO THE CODE, WHATEVER THE CODE TERMS ARE, WHATEVER WASN'T INCLUDED. IN FACT, IT MAY HAVE BEEN THAT BEAUTY SALONS WERE ALLOWED IN R3 FOR ALL I KNOW. AND THEN THEY GOT BANNED, AND ANY OF THEM THAT WEREN'T OPEN WOULD BE CLOSED. BUT THAT'S JUST HOW THE ZONING WORKS. IT'S GRANDFATHERED, OKAY. BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE YOU HAVE IT ALREADY. SPEAKING OF, THIS WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE CHART TO CONSIDER MAKING THAT ALLOWABLE. AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE BREAK. JODY, DO YOU MIND GIVING A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT ABOUT THAT FOR I'M SORRY, DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? YES. THANK YOU. I WENT AHEAD AND DID A GREEN CARD. I'M GOING TO PREFACE THIS BY SAYING I AM NOT A RESIDENT. 
          IDENTIFY YOURSELF. SORRY AUDREY CREECH, I HAPPEN TO BE A LAND USE AND ZONING ATTORNEY IN MARTIN AND THE CITY OF STUART. HOWEVER, I WILL STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT I AM NOT A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF STUART OR EAST STUART. HOWEVER, I DO HAVE A BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF STUART. 
          WHAT I WISH TO SAY IS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT AND WITH ALL CANDOR, THESE ARE VERY INTENSE DECISIONS. THESE ARE DECISIONS THAT ARE VERY MUCH AFFECTING PEOPLE'S LIVES IN A VERY, VERY LARGE, LARGE WAY. AND I BEG OF YOU, BECAUSE I'M SEEING I'M SEEING THE FATIGUE. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE GRAB THEIR EYEBROWS AS IF THEY HAVE A HEADACHE. I SAW SOMEONE JUST LIMP OUT OF THE DOOR. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, NO ONE IS AT THEIR BEST RIGHT NOW. AND I BEG OF YOU, IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THESE TYPES OF DECISIONS THAT COULD, IN THEORY, SHUT DOWN BUSINESSES WITHIN 180 DAYS. PLEASE ORDER. WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SIX MONTHS. WE'VE BEEN GOING OVER THIS FOR SIX MONTHS. COME ON, I UNDERSTAND I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION OF WANTING TO GET THINGS ACCOMPLISHED. I, I SINCERELY DO EVERY SINGLE TIME I, I SINCERELY DO, I WOULD. THERE'S PHYSICAL SIGNS THAT NOBODY IS GOING TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION RIGHT NOW. SO I'M JUST GOING TO STATE THAT YOU ALL CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH IT. BUT I DO ASK WHY IT'S GOING TO BE MIDNIGHT. I DO HOPE YOU WILL REALIZE THAT YOU MAY NOT BE PHYSICALLY CAPABLE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. JUST TO ADDRESS. 
          YES, I DID LIMP. I'M FACING KNEE SURGERY, SO I'M LIMPING ALL DAY AND NIGHT. SORRY. I'M SO SORRY. 
          IT WASN'T DIRECTED AT YOU. I JUST I SAW PHYSICAL SIGNS FROM EVERYBODY, SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME KNOW. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, JODY, DO YOU MIND? DO YOU MIND LIKE I MEANT, LIKE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ON BREAK WITH OUR THREE. THIS WOULD BE A PLACE WHERE WE COULD HAVE IT ALLOWABLE FOR THE BEAUTY SALONS. AS YOU KNOW, DOCTOR BENEDETTI HAD BROUGHT UP EARLIER THAT WE COULD DO AN EASY 
          [05:40:06]
TEXT AMENDMENT HERE. YES. VICE MAYOR, SO IN YOUR R3 DISTRICT, ALONG OCEAN, MAJORITY OF THOSE HOMES HAVE BEEN CONVERTED OVER TO COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, SMALLER HOMES, SMALLER BUSINESSES. DOCTOR BENEDETTI HAS APPROACHED THE CITY TO TRY TO DO A SALON. AND LOOKING AT THIS, HE'S REQUESTED OR IS LOOKING TO TRY. BUT THE CODE IS VERY SILENT. IT DOES NOT ALLOW SALONS AT THIS TIME. HOWEVER, IT DOES ALLOW MASSAGE THERAPISTS ESTABLISHMENTS AS A PERMITTED USE. I DO BELIEVE DOCTOR BENEDETTI IS REQUESTING TO ADD THE SALON AS A PERMITTED USE WITHIN THE R3, AND I PERSONALLY AGREE, SEEING AS THERE'S ONE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIM. IT'S KIND OF CAPRICIOUS TO ME. SO WHAT'S THE ADDRESS? IS THE URBAN 400? OSCEOLA? WOULD IT BE A ZONING DISTRICT? JODY. SORRY, THIS WOULD BE ADDING A USE WITHIN THE PERMITTED USE CATEGORY WITHIN R3. CAN I CAN I JUST MENTION I HAVE A CLIENT THAT HAS A B4 ZONED PROPERTY AND THEY'D LIKE TO DO A SELF-STORAGE. IS IT NOT LIKE THIS? IT'S A CIRCUS. JUST. 
          YEAH IT IS. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. IF YOU'RE IN CHARGE, YOU CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T DO THIS, BUT THAT BY ADDING THAT USAGE, WOULD IT BE A ZONING CHANGE? WELL YEAH, IT'S GOING TO. YES IT WOULD. IT'S GOING TO ALLOW THAT ZONING TO HAVE A TO BE IT'S GOING TO ALLOW THAT TO BE A USE IN THE ZONING. WELL IN THAT CASE THEN IN CASES IN WHICH THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGES, THE ACTUAL ZONING MAP FOR A PARCEL, PARCELS LAND INVOLVING LESS THAN TEN CONTIGUOUS ACRES, THE GOVERNING BODY SHALL DIRECT THE CLERK OF THE GOVERNING BODY TO NOTIFY BY MAIL EACH REAL PROPERTY OWNER WHOSE LAND THE MUNICIPALITY WILL DESIGNATE BY ENACTMENT OF THE ORDINANCE, AND WHO ADDRESSES NO. THIS IS STATE LAW IS KNOWN BY REFERENCE TO THE LATEST AD VALOREM TAX RETURN. 
          THE NOTICE SHALL STATE THE SUBSTANCE OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. SUCH NOTICE SHALL BE GIVEN AT LEAST 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE DATE SET. WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. YOU HAVE TO DO ECONOMIC ANALYSIS ON THIS. IF IT'S WELL, IF IT'S A CHANGING ZONING MAP CHANGE, THEN IT WOULD REQUIRE THAT THIS IS NOT A CHANGE. THIS IS A THE ENTIRE ZIP IS A TEXT AMENDMENT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. RIGHT. SO THE TEXT AMENDMENT, YOU OPENED IT UP IN THE LAND USE REGULATIONS TO ALLOW EVERYTHING IN THE TEXT AMENDMENT. NOW YOU DIRECTED STAFF TO START ACCEPTING COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS AS LONG AS THEY DIDN'T HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IN IT. BUT IN DOING THAT, THE BOARD NEVER SAID THAT COMMERCIAL WAS OFF LIMITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          THEY NEVER SAID THEY WEREN'T GOING TO ADDRESS COMMERCIAL. SO THE LDR IS TECHNICALLY ON THE TABLE FOR THE BOARD'S DISCUSSION AND DISCRETION. RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS ZONING CHANGE IS GOING TO SOLVE DOCTOR BENEDETTI'S PROBLEM BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THE APPLICATION. I ALSO KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING SHARED PARKING BAN, AND SINCE HE'S ALREADY OCCUPYING THE BUILDING, IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT EVEN WITH THE ZONING CHANGE, HE'S NOT GOING TO QUALIFY BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD NEW PARKING SPACES FOR THAT. AND TALKING TO JODY, SHE SAID THAT WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE. WELL, AGAIN, I DIDN'T TALK TO JODY, SO I DON'T AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THE APPLICATION. IS THIS A ZONING IN PROGRESS? YOU'RE WASTING JUST AS MUCH TIME TALKING ABOUT A SINGLE APPLICANT'S RIGHT APPLICATION AS YOU HAVE. YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE. YEAH. COME ON, MR. SCHROTH. MR. ROTH, THIS IS THE PROBLEM IS EVERY TIME WE'VE HAD ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, 30, 45 MINUTES, AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF IS SPENT DISCUSSING WHY WE SHOULDN'T DO IT, EITHER FROM PEOPLE UP HERE. NO, THE VOTERS GAVE US A MANDATE, NICK. OKAY? THEY DID. THEY ABSOLUTELY DID. WHAT? THE VOTERS GAVE US A MANDATE, WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE UP HERE FROM THE PREVIOUS. I'M SORRY. WHICH IS WHY COMMISSIONER CLARK IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S STILL UP HERE FROM THE ORIGINAL COMMISSION. THEY ARE GONE. I DO, I REPRESENT EVERYBODY, IT IS, BUT NOT OUT OF TOWN. THIS IS RIDICULOUS, VICE MAYOR. DOCTOR GRANT, JUST HOLD IT DOWN, JODY. KEEP GOING. OKAY, OKAY. SORRY. I HAD A QUESTION FOR JODY. I'M REAL SORRY. SO, JODY, I KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT A FORMAT LIKE IN THE MUNI CODE, BUT ON. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE SAME PAGE NUMBER. I PRINTED OUT SOME STUFF. IT SAYS PAGE PAGE 290, PAGE 290, WHICH IS THE FRONT OF THE ZONING DISTRICT. WITH FRONT OF WHICH ZONING DISTRICT. PAGE 290 OF 725. SO THAT'S WHAT'S ON OUR. YEAH, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. YEAH. ON OUR COMPLAINT. SO, SO THOSE 
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THOSE USES ACROSS THE TOP RESIDENTIAL NONRESIDENTIAL PUD AND THE R1, R2 R3 BECAUSE IT'S A CONTINUOUS THING. IS THERE ANY WAY MAYBE THE NEXT TIME YOU COME BACK TO US, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN LABEL THAT SAME THING ACROSS THE TOP WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE? I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO IT WOULD FOLLOW THAT WE CAN READ THE ZONING, SCROLLING THROUGH THE PAGES, THE HEADINGS. YEAH, YEAH, YES I UNDERSTAND. I APOLOGIZE. I MEAN, THIS WAS A LOT TO PUT TOGETHER AND WELL, AND NONE OF THOSE WERE CHANGED. YEAH, YEAH, I HEAR YOU. I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO READ IT AND UNDERSTAND IT. IT MAKES IT EASIER TO SEE THROUGH. THANK YOU. SO THE ONLY THING THAT WAS CHANGED THERE IS THE IS THE WAREHOUSE TO ADD WAREHOUSE, GENERAL GENERAL STORAGE, MINI WAREHOUSE, WAREHOUSE WHOLESALE. EVERYTHING IS PERMITTED IN CERTAIN CATEGORIES WHICH I CAN'T SEE THE TOP OF THE CATEGORY. AND THEN IT'S ALLOWED BASED ON GOING TO THE CITY COMMISSION. AND YOU DID ADD BY RESOLUTION. IT WAS BEING MOVED TO INDUSTRIAL BY YOUR DIRECTION. YEAH. STORAGE WAS BEING MOVED TO INDUSTRIAL PURSUANT DIRECTION OF THE BOARD. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. YOU DID SPECIFY PERMITTED OKAY. AND ALLOWED. OKAY, FINE. SO TO MY POINT, DOES THE BOARD FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO INCLUDE. THE SALONS IN R3, SEEING AS THAT DISTRICT IS BUSINESSES? WHAT WAS THE PROHIBITION TO HAVE BEAUTY SALONS IN ANOTHER DISTRICT AS OPPOSED TO R3. AND IT WOULD BE THROUGHOUT ALL R3. IT WOULD BE ALLOWED BASED ON COMING IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION. WOULD IT BE A OR WOULD IT BE A PERMITTED USE? IT WOULD BE STRAIGHT ZONING AND IT WOULD JUST BE THEY COULD OPEN UP AND GET A BUSINESS TAX. OKAY. AND IF SOMEBODY COMES AND THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING ELSE ON MARTIN LUTHER KING OR ON US ONE, AND THEN SOMEHOW SOMEBODY DOES, SOME NEIGHBOR DOESN'T LIKE IT. AND, AND WE SAY, OH, WELL, WE CHANGED THIS GUY, BUT WE WON'T CHANGE THIS GUY. WE NEED TO HAVE CONSISTENCY AND PREDICTABILITY AND BE SURE THAT THAT'S HOW WE WANT OUR CITY TO LOOK AND BE OKAY. IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT WORK. YOU CAN'T ONE MAYOR RICH, MAY I COMMISSIONER READ. MIKE, AS FAR AS THIS R3 AND I'M SORRY. WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN WHILE COMMISSIONER CLARK NEEDS TO LEAVE THE ROOM. CORRECT. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. SORRY, SORRY, MR. REED. OKAY. ACCOMPLISHED IN SIX MONTHS, VICE MAYOR. NO. NO REASON FOR YOU TO ABSTAIN. YOU KNOW WHAT? ARE WE BACK IN SESSION? LIE ABOUT THE MOTIVES OF YOUR FELLOW FILIBUSTERING. YOU GUYS ARE. IT'S CLEAR. THAT'S AN INAPPROPRIATE REMARK, COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES, WE ARE. RECONVENED. THE COMMISSIONER. 
          CLARK. YES, SIR. LIGHT IS LIT. MINE WAS. I KNOW WE'LL GET TO YOU. THAT WAS IT. BUT OF COURSE. 
          WELL, I'VE SAID WHAT I NEEDED TO SAY ABOUT THE TIME. READ THE DURESS. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE SALON THING. IF WE'RE WE'RE DISCUSSING R3. IT'S SCATTERED THROUGHOUT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL. SO IF IT WAS BY. RIGHT, TECHNICALLY YOU COULD HAVE A SALON IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. SO CURRENTLY, AS IT STANDS, COULDN'T THEY APPLY FOR A PUD? MIKE YES. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT, IT'S EITHER A PUD OR A CONDITIONAL USAGE, BUT YOU REALLY DON'T WANT SALONS. AND I'M LOOKING AT THE ZONING MAP, BY THE WAY, AND R3 IS IN SOME RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. SO YES, SIR. YOU KNOW, BUT AS YOU KNOW, YOU COULD APPLY UNDER A PUD AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS IN THE CODE. YES. AND THEN PARK IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE HERE. WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING THAT CHANGE. IT'S CURRENTLY AVAILABLE UNDER A CPU. OR PUD. CORRECT. IT SEEMS LIKE. SO IF WE WERE GOING TO CHANGE R3 BY RIGHT, THEN YOU COULD END UP WITH SALONS AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT THAT WOULD BE WHY I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T BE FOR THAT. 
          WHEN IS IT CORRECT AND CORRECT? AND YOU COULD APPLY FOR A PUD AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW. YES. AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO HAVE THAT TABLE REALLY MARKED OUT SO PEOPLE CAN SEE HOW THE CORRESPONDENCE I REALLY WISH THE GIS MAP, AND I'M SURE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE IN THE CROWD, C IF U COULD ACTUALLY FILTER IT BY SPECIFIC, I CAN ASK ZEKE TO DO THAT. OH REALLY? YEAH. OKAY. 
          WHAT ABOUT FOR US? LIKE THE PUBLIC? SURE. YEAH. JUST TURN IT ON. THAT'D BE AWESOME, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'S GOOD. JUST NEED TO CREATE LAYERS. BUT, OKAY. WE WON'T BE DONE TOMORROW. BUT 
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YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND, BUT THAT'D BE A AWESOME TOOL, BY THE WAY. DOESN'T SEEM TO BE CONSENSUS THERE. OKAY, JODY. NEXT BONUS UNITS, PAGE 3040. JODY DENSITY. JODY. THAT WAS MY NEXT THING. 203 AND THE CHARTS THAT WERE THERE. OKAY, LET ME JUST GET THREE. YEAH. OH, SO IN OUR PACKET IT WOULD BE PAGE 303. YEAH. YEP. OKAY. OKAY. SO IF YOU SCROLL DOWN TO THOSE CHARTS WE HAD DISCUSSED, IT DIDN'T SEEM TO MAKE IT INTO THESE AMENDMENTS, BUT. SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT JODY. BUT WHERE WE GO FROM 15 TO 30 PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE THERE'S A 30 IT SHOULD SAY 20. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED IS JUST GOING TO FIVE ADDITIONAL INSTEAD OF 15 ADDITIONAL. SO IN THE R3 AND THE RPD AND THE B-1, B-2 URBAN CODE E STUART DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT IS EVERYTHING. YEAH. 
          OH, WAIT, ALL OF THEM. SO WE NOW HAVE AN IMPROPERLY ADVERTISED ELEMENT. NO, IT WAS IT WAS RAISED AT THE ORIGINAL MEETING AND VOTED ON BY THE CITY COMMISSION TO REDUCE IT PROVIDED. RIGHT. BUT YOU'RE MAKING THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FIRST READING TO MAKE REVISIONS AND CHANGES. SO IT'S NOT IMPROPERLY ADVERTISED OR NOT. YOU CAN MAKE THOSE REVISIONS. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR. AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A SECOND READING OF IT TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE. BUT EVEN AT SECOND READING YOU COULD MAKE CHANGES. YEAH, YOU COULD CONTINUE TO A THIRD READING. 
          YES, SIR. SO, JODY. DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING. ANYWHERE WHERE IT SAYS 30, IT WOULD SAY 20. AND THEN ON THE FOOTNOTES ON SIX, TEN AND 11, THEY WOULD ALL SAY 20, NOT 30. YEAH I KNOW. WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. IT'S JUST BEEN SUGGESTED WE ALREADY WE ALREADY DID IT. THIS JUST ACCIDENTALLY DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE. OKAY, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA HOW FRAUGHT THIS IS GOING TO GET WITH THE COMPLEX, EVERY SINGLE ITEM HAS TO BE FILIBUSTERED. CAN WE NOT THIS WE ALREADY WE ALREADY VOTED ON LIKE WE ALREADY MOVED FORWARD ON THIS. IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE PACKET. FOR SOME REASON. WE DISCUSSED THIS GOING FIVE ABOVE. MR. VICE MAYOR, IS IT YOUR INTENTION THAT ONLY YOU MAY SPEAK REGARDING THESE ITEMS, OR MAY THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS IN THE PUBLIC SPEAK AS WELL? I HAVE SPOKE A LOT. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THIS DONE SO WE CAN GO HOME. WELL, IF YOU FEEL THERE'S ANY, IF YOU FEEL THERE'S INSUFFICIENT TIME TO HEAR FROM YOUR OTHER COMMISSIONERS, THEN LET'S JUST ADJOURN. BUT YOU KNOW THAT WE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS AND WE VOTED ON THIS. WE VOTED ON 20 UNITS PER ACRE AS THAT. BUT THIS IS THE FINAL LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE I KNOW THIS IS INCORRECT. IT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE ALREADY VOTED ON THIS. BUT THESE ARE THE REGULATIONS. THESE ARE THE ORDINANCES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ENACT. AND THE COMMISSION IS ALLOWED TO COMMENT ON THEM NOW THAT THEY ARE FINALLY PRESENTED. SURE. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. SO REMOVING THE DENSITY BONUSES, IT VIOLATES DECREASING NOT REMOVING IT VIOLATES. NOT REMOVING SIX OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN, SEVEN DIFFERENT POLICIES AND THREE GOALS. NOBODY'S REMOVING. THEY'RE DECREASING. NO IT IS STRUCK. NO IT'S GOING IT'S GOING OKAY. CHANGING THEM DECREASING THEM DOES NOT COMMIT. VICE MAYOR COLLINS, WILL YOU PLEASE ALLOW ME TO FINISH MY COMMENTS AND THEN YOU MAY COMMENT. FOR EXAMPLE. I CERTAINLY WILL NOT CITE THEM ALL, BUT. THIS IS FROM THE COMP PLAN. HOUSING OPPORTUNITY 3.82.6 HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES. IN ORDER TO EXPAND THE NUMBER AND TYPES OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR AFFORDABLE, ATTAINABLE HOUSING, THE CITY WILL ENCOURAGE NEW CONSTRUCTION THROUGH DENSITY, BONUSES AND OTHER PROVISIONS PROVIDED THROUGH THE LAND. WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT. OBJECTIVE 1A7 TO ACCOMMODATE SMALLER RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND ALLOW SMALLER HOUSING UNITS TO BE CALCULATED TO HAVE DENSITY. ELEMENT SEVEN. THE CITY WILL ENCOURAGE NEW CONSTRUCTION THROUGH DENSITY BONUSES AND OTHER PROVISIONS PROVIDED THROUGH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, AS WELL AS THROUGH GRANTS AND SPECIAL. SO THIS IS JUST TO GO TO THE POINT THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MAKE THESE MANY CHANGES, WHICH IS A VERY ARDUOUS AND LENGTHY PROCESS. I WOULD ASK THAT WE ASK STAFF BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER TO SAY WHICH ELEMENTS ARE GOING 
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TO REQUIRE COMP PLAN CHANGES, AND WE CONSIDER THOSE BEFORE WE MAKE THE CHANGES. WHY WASTE OUR TIME? WE ALREADY DID THIS. WHY WASTE OUR TIME TALKING ABOUT ELEMENTS THAT ARE JUST ANGERING PEOPLE? IF IN FACT, WE REALIZE THAT WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE COMP PLAN CHANGES BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PROCESS WE'VE ENGAGED IN IS INSUFFICIENT IN SCOPE, AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN MEETING WITH THE PUBLIC. WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED THE PROCESS OF AMENDING OUR COMP PLAN. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THAT IS CORRECT. YOU ARE CORRECT, COMMISSIONER. WE HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN THAT PROCESS. THAT IS MY COMMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MY COMMENT AND I KNOW THAT, MR. COMMISSIONER. GO RIGHT AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. I MEAN MISS. COOGLER, WITH REGARD TO THE PAGE 304 AS PUBLISHED. I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 304 OF 725 AS PUBLISHED, WHERE IT HAS THESE FOOTNOTES. SO THE FOOTNOTES ARE GO WITH RIGHT RIGHT THERE. FOOTNOTE NUMBER FIVE THAT'S TAKEN OUT. THAT'S AT DENSITY BONUS. THAT'S TAKEN OUT. BUT ABOVE THAT NUMBER ONE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT ASSISTED LIVING WITH 30 UNITS PER ACRE. NUMBER SIX, UP TO 30 UNITS WITH MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE NUMBER TEN, UP TO 30 UNITS WITH EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. HOW DOES THAT THOSE NUMBERS WHICH HAVE NOT CHANGED BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL IN BLACK, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE WITH WHAT VICE MAYOR COLLINS WAS SAYING NEEDS TO BE UPDATED IN THIS PARTICULAR CHART? AND OF COURSE, I KNOW THAT THE RIGHT HERE IS JUST A SMALL PORTION OF THREE DIFFERENT USES THAT ARE FOR EAST STUART PER SE. THE REST ARE IN IN THE ACTUAL PLAN ITSELF. BUT HOW DOES IT THERE'S A SIDE CONVERSATION WHICH IT WOULD ALL GO TO 20 ULA OH OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S I JUST WANT TO SO OKAY. SO JODY, EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T HAVE NUMBER ONE AS A AS A AS AN AMENDMENT. SO THAT ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY IS ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF 30 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          AND ALL OF THOSE LITTLE FOOTNOTES. WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HAD A VERY SHORT TURNAROUND WINDOW, AND THEY TRIED TO MEET ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE ADDRESSED BY THE CITY COMMISSION. AND THERE ARE ITEMS IN CHARTS AND FOOTNOTES THAT WERE MISSED THAT WOULD BE STILL BE BEING REVISED BETWEEN NOW AND SECOND READING. BUT IN THIS PRESENTATION, IT IS OUR INTENTION AS STAFF TO SAY THAT THE COMMISSION DIRECTED US TO CHANGE THE DENSITY FROM 30 TO 20 AS THE DENSITY BONUS, AND THAT WAS THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD FOR US TO FOLLOW. AND YES, THERE'S ITEMS THAT WE MISSED, BUT THEY'RE BEING REVISED DAILY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MAYOR, MAKE ONE SHORT. YES. THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT IS BECAUSE I SECURED SEVERAL COPIES OF THIS PARTICULAR THING THAT WAS SET FOR TODAY, AND I GAVE THAT OUT TO SEVERAL PEOPLE, LANDOWNERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS PROCESS. AND WHEN THEY SEE THIS, AND THEY ARE ASSURED THAT SOMETHING IS HAPPENING BECAUSE IT'S IN BLACK, IT'S NOT IN RED, IT'S NOT PROJECTED FOR CHANGE. 
          AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHERE THINGS ARE. AND I KNOW THAT STAFF DID NOT MAKE ALL OF THE SPECIFIC CHANGES, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE, SINCE WE'RE ON IT. THANK YOU. MISS, MISS MISS CAMPBELL. SORRY, I'M NOT IN CHARGE OF THE MEETING. I'M SORRY. LET ME TAKE OVER. THANK YOU, MARCELLA CAMPBELL. FOR THE RECORD. SO, CLARIFICATION, WHOEVER WANTS TO PROVIDE THIS, IT WAS SET REPEATEDLY DURING THE WORKSHOPS THAT THE ORIGINAL EXHIBIT A THAT WAS PROVIDED. REMEMBER THAT ONE THAT WAS ILLEGIBLE WAS JUST A LIST OF THINGS SO THAT STAFF COULD START WORKING ON. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AND NOW WHAT IS BEING SAID IS THAT'S ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON. WHAT WAS VOTED ON. THE RESOLUTION WAS VOTED ON TO DIRECT STAFF TO BRING THOSE CHANGES BACK. RIGHT. SO WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON THOSE. WE ARE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE TODAY. SO NO ONE VOTED ON WHETHER 20 WAS THE FINAL NUMBER. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED. YEAH WE DISCUSSED THAT STAFF WOULD PUT IT IN THERE. AND NOW THIS COMMISSION NEEDS TO VOTE ON THAT. LET ME JUST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT IS MY PROFESSION, BECAUSE IT IS LIKE, JODY, WHAT WE DO AS COLLEAGUES, YOUR ENTIRE COMPREHENSIVE MY ENTIRE MY 
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CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS WRITTEN BASED ON DATA AND ANALYZES THAT ENTIRE DATA AND ANALYSIS, IN THE CASE OF THE CITY OF STUART, IS BASED ON THE MAXIMUM DENSITY OF 30 UNITS TO THE ACRE TO MEET BEAVER PROJECTION AND CENSUS PROJECTION. THE AIR THAT WAS RECENTLY SUBMITTED TO THE STATE IS BASED ON THE 30 UNIT TO THE ACRE MAXIMUM ON EACH ONE OF OUR CATEGORIES, CHANGING IT TO 20 REQUIRES GOING BACK TO THE DATA AND ANALYZES AND REDOING ALL OF THAT DATA AND ANALYZES AND REQUIRES, WHEN YOU DO THE AIR, AND THEN THE STATE IS GOING TO DECIDE HOW YOU'RE MEETING CENSUS AND BEAVER. CORRECT. SO IF WE'RE IF WE ARE NOT DOING THAT, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE MEETING THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS TO MEET OUR LONG TERM PLANNING PROJECTIONS. SO IT'S NOT AS EASY LET LET ALONE THE TAKING SITUATIONS THAT MAY HAPPEN. IT'S PROCEDURE AND WE'RE DOING IT BACKWARDS. AND WE'RE NOT DOING THE REQUIRED ANALYSIS THAT'S IN OUR CODE. AND CAN CAN ANYONE FROM STAFF, NOT JUST SOMEONE WHO SAID, I ALREADY VOTED ON THIS, TELL US IF THIS IS THE PROCESS OR NOT BECAUSE WE ARE LOST AS WE, THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT ARE TRYING TO FOLLOW THIS AND READ STATUTES AND HAVE DONE THIS FOR 30 YEARS. ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PROCESS IS NOT BEING FOLLOWED, WHY WE'RE SKIPPING, AND WHY WE'RE DOING THINGS BACKWARDS. AND PLEASE, I, I JUST FEEL THAT EVERY TIME I AM HERE, I GET INTERRUPTED. I'VE BEEN SITTING FOR FIVE HOURS WITHOUT INTERRUPTING. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CAN I JUST MAKE A HISTORICAL THING? CAN I ASK JODY ONE QUESTION ON PAGE 307? FOOTNOTE TWO IS IT SAYS DENSITY BONUS IS AVAILABLE IN AN PUD THAT'S DELETED. CORRECT. I'M SORRY, WHAT PAGE? PAGE 307 WITH NO TWO DENSITY BONUS IS AVAILABLE IN AN PUD THAT'S REDLINED. I DON'T SEE IT. OKAY. YEAH. HE'S. YEAH. 307 AT THE BOTTOM OKAY. IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S NOT REDUCED. IT'S ELIMINATED. RIGHT. MIXED MIXED USE. EXCUSE PUD. YOU SEE IT? COMMISSIONER SAYS YES. IT SAYS OKAY. NUMBER TWO IT SAYS DENSITY BONUS IS AVAILABLE. DESPITE THE REPEATED AND STRONG URGING IN OUR OWN COMP PLAN TO PROVIDE DENSITY BONUSES. WE ARE JUST SAYING WITH NO STUDY, WITH NO ANALYSIS, AND WE'RE ELIMINATING THEM. YES. CAN I, MR. MORTON, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO LET ME JUST SAY THIS WHEN I EVEN BEFORE I BECAME ON THE COMMISSION, WHEN TERRY O'NEILL WAS HERE, AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD OTHER PLANNERS, WE'VE HAD SO MANY COMMUNITY THINGS, SO MANY STUDIES, SO MANY WORK, AND SOME OF THESE THINGS TAKE TIME TO COME TO FRUITION. I THINK THE MAIN THING WITH THIS, AND I SAID THIS WHEN WE HAD TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS COME ON THE BOARD, THAT I KNOW THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE COMP PLAN, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, HAVE THINGS EXPLAINED TO THEM. BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AND NEED TO DO, AND ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE VISION OF THE CITY OF STUART WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE CHANGING THAT WE NEED, MAYBE WE DON'T WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE THE ZIP IN ORDER TO DO THAT. WE CAN WORK ON THESE THINGS, JUST LIKE HOW WE PULLED OUT THE COMMERCIAL. AND I'VE SAID THAT SEVERAL TIMES, AND I KNOW THAT MR. COLLINS THINKS I'M I'M FILIBUSTERING, BUT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT THERE'S A WAY TO DO THINGS AND THERE'S A PROPER WAY TO DO THINGS. AND I SAID THAT BEFORE, AND THEN TONIGHT I ALSO SAID THAT IT IS A VERY LATE HOUR FOR US TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO START WORKING ON THIS ZONING THING, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN US SAID, WE NEED TO WORK ON MAKING SURE THAT OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY COMMUNITIES THAT WE HAVE SAID THAT WE WANT TO WORK WITH AND PROTECT AND PROVIDE REDEVELOPMENT FOR. AND IF WE'RE CHANGING THE COURSE OF THE CITY AND WE DON'T WANT TO WORK WITH PEOPLE WITH FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND FOR OTHER THINGS, THEN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS MANDATE THING, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT I, I, I JUST HAVE I'M, I'M, I'M NOT AGAINST ANYBODY, BUT I JUST NEED TO I THINK THAT IT WE JUST REALLY NEED TO SAY THAT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS THE WAY AND WE HAD PARKING STUDIES WHEN WE DID THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. WE HAD PEOPLE FROM TAMPA, WE HAD ACCOUNTANTS, WE HAD EVERYBODY, WE HAD TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, WE HAD ACCOUNTANTS, ALL KINDS OF STUFF TO DO WITH. AND WE HAD THE MAIN STREET INVOLVEMENT TO DEAL WITH OUR PARKING STUDY, TO MAKE ALL THESE THINGS DONE. IT'S JUST NOT A DICTATORIAL SITUATION. I JUST THINK AT THIS POINT. MAYOR, I'M SORRY, MAYOR, CAN I COMMISSIONER 
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GOP YEAH, I JUST THINK AT THIS POINT WE NEED TO AT LEAST MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER COLLINS IS SAYING THAT I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU FEEL, AND WE ALL DO, BUT THAT ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE TONIGHT. BUT WHAT CAN CHANGE IS THAT WE GO FORWARD IN THIS PROCESS. SO LET'S TRY AND DO THAT. BUT IF IT'S GOING TO BE TO THE ILL OF THE PEOPLE AND THE COMMUNITY, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO REFLECT OUR REAL GOALS AND IDEALS, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO IF YOU HAVE THREE PARKING SPACES AND SOMEBODY CAN'T BUILD AN ADU AND THEY CAN'T MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, THE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS AND SO ON, THEN ARE WE STAMP ARE WE STOPPING SOMETHING OR ARE WE PROMOTING SOME VITALITY AND VIABILITY AND SUSTAINABILITY TRAFFIC. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PROMOTING. I DON'T THINK LITTLE OLD STUART IS GOING TO STOP TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH US. ONE, BECAUSE WE HAVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN PALM CITY WEST, PORT SAINT LUCIE, WEST AND JUPITER AND OTHER PLACES. SO THROW IT TO THE WIND. WHO CARES? JUST BUILD IT OUT. JUST JUST GO ALL THE WAY. IF, IF IT'S RUINED BY PORT SAINT LUCIE, WHY TRY? JUST. LET'S JUST MIXED. USE EVERYTHING. FOUR STOREYS. WHO CARES WHAT VOTERS CARE ABOUT? WHO CARES? DON'T GET IN THE WAY OF PROGRESS. DON'T GET IN THE WAY OF PROGRESS, I HEAR YOU. YEAH. JUST. JUST TO DO THE EXPLANATION, I. I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT. WE UNDERSTAND HOW YOU FEEL. WE ALL WOULD LIKE TO JUST GET THROUGH THE NIGHT. NO ONE WANTS TO BE HERE TILL 1230. BUT THIS IS OUR JOB. THIS IS WHAT WE SAID WE WOULD DO, AND LET'S JUST GET IT DONE, OKAY? THANK YOU. 
          AND WE DO KNOW HOW YOU FEEL, AND I APPRECIATE HOW YOU FEEL, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE RIGHT NOW. SO LET'S GO FORWARD AND LET'S DO THAT. THANK YOU. MAYOR I THINK COMMISSIONER CLARK'S IS A GOOD ONE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING IT DONE BECAUSE WE WERE WE ARE REQUIRED BY FLORIDA STATUTE. ALL LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ENACTED OR AMENDED SHALL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE'RE GOING TO AMEND THE OR AMOUNT OR PORTION THEREOF AND ANY LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, A DEVELOPMENT ORDER OR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION SHALL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IF THE LAND USES DENSITIES OR INTENSITIES AND OTHER. IS THIS A PLAN? TONIGHT WAS TO DO THIS WITH EVERY SINGLE THING, WITH EVERY ITEM. I'M GOING TO ADJOURN THE MEETING FOR FIVE MINUTES. WAS THIS BILL JUST A FILIBUSTER? EVERY SINGLE ITEM. VICE MAYOR CAN REGAIN HIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER 20 1040. SO OBVIOUSLY, THE ATTEMPTED PROVIDING A MORE FREEWHEELING DISCUSSION WAS NOT WORKING. SO. HOW MANY SECTIONS DO WE HAVE, JODY, THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH? WE'RE ON SECTION TWO AT THE MOMENT. CORRECT. WE ARE ON TWO. WE HAVE WE ARE ON SECTION TWO. WE HAVE SECTION THREE. CORRECT? CORRECT. AND WE HAVE SECTION SIX. CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. DO WE HAVE SECTION FIVE WHICH IS MENTIONED. BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE SECTION FIVE THIS. 
          THERE'S SOME OF AND IF IT'S NOT IT'S JUST CORRECTING A LOT VERSUS PARCEL. EXCUSE ME JODY IN CHAPTER FIVE IS JUST CORRECTING THE LOT VERSUS PARCEL. ANY LANGUAGE I HAD LOT. WE WERE JUST SO MAINLY YOUR YOUR MOST OF YOUR CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE IN CHAPTER TWO, THREE AND SIX. AM I OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO ASK THAT THE COMMISSIONERS ONLY SPEAK WHEN RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR OKAY. USING OUR FABULOUS LIGHTING SYSTEM AND THAT THEY NOT INTERRUPT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AS THEY MAKE THEIR COMMENTS. AS REGARDS PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHEN WE BEGIN TO CONSIDER A CHAPTER, THE PUBLIC MAY COMMENT ON ANY ISSUES IN THAT CHAPTER. THEY WISH AT THAT TIME. AND I WOULD ASK THAT THE COMMISSIONERS NOT ADDRESS MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE AND THAT THE AUDIENCE NOT JUST SPEAK UP FROM THEIR SEATS, BUT RATHER BE RECOGNIZED WHEN THEY APPROACH THE LECTERN. THANK YOU. SO, JODY, LET'S FINISH TWO, PLEASE. SO WE LEFT OFF ON FOOTNOTE TWO DENSITY BONUSES AVAILABLE IN IN MIXED PADS. THAT WAS THAT WAS STRIKE THROUGH AND THEN MOVING TO THE NEXT TABLE WHICH IS 203 TEN. TABLE FOUR. NO. WE SKIPPED AHEAD ACTUALLY HE SKIPPED AND WENT A PAGE AHEAD. BUT WE STILL NEED TO FINISH TWO 308 AND 2309. 308. SO GO BACK UP, VICE MAYOR. 
          YEAH. JUST ASK, WILL YOU PLEASE BE RECOGNIZED BEFORE YOU SPEAK? DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK OR. YES. SO 
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GO BACK TO TWO 308. JODY. HE SKIPPED AHEAD TO CHARTS TO MAKE THAT POINT ABOUT THAT FOOTNOTE, BUT WE WERE STILL WITHIN TWO 308 AND TWO 309. CORRECT. OKAY. SO THIS CHART AS WELL, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT, SAME KIND OF A THING, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THOSE. NOPE, NOPE. 
          GO UP, GO UP, GO UP. THERE YOU GO RIGHT THERE. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE 30 UNITS PER ACRE LISTED IN THIS TABLE AS WELL. THESE ALSO NEED TO GO TO 20 WITHIN THESE THREE CHARTS. 23072308 AND 2309. 
          ALL OF THESE WHERE IT SAYS 30 UNITS PER ACRE SHOULD BE 20, INCLUDING IN THE FOOTNOTES. 
          THANK. ARE YOU WITH ME, JODY? YES. COOL. OKAY. AND THAT WAS ALL FOR THOSE. OKAY. SO I'M JODY FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION, DO THE TABLES PRESENTED TO THE LPA SAY 30 OR 20. THEY SAY 30. SO THEY ACTUALLY DID NOT CONSIDER THESE ITEMS AS THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO. THE DENSITY DISCUSSION WAS MADE. I THINK NUMBERS OKAY. JUST CLARIFICATION THAT THAT WAS DIFFERENT INFORMATION GIVEN TO THE LPA COMMISSIONER CLERK. JUST A HOUSEKEEPING THING ON THAT SAME SECTION. 2.03.10. TABLE FOUR, PAGE 308. AND THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT YOU HAVE THE RED THING AS BEING THE NEW STUFF, ANYTHING THAT'S CROSSED OUT AND RED. WHAT'S THE YELLOW. THE I REMOVED. SO SINCE YOU HAVE THE PUBLISHED DOCUMENT THE IT HAS BEEN UPDATED. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE SECTIONS WE WERE STILL EVALUATING AT THAT TIME. SO WE HAVE UPDATED THOSE SECTIONS. SO LIKE THE YELLOW THAT SAYS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE 43,560FT■!S. WHEE DOES IT SHOW THAT WE'RE MAKING A CHANGE THERE ON THE ONE AND TWO IN THE NOTE, OR WE'RE NOT MAKING A CHANGE. SO IN THE NOTES DOWN BELOW, AFTER THE FOOTNOTES, THIS IS ALL REFERS TO THE. MIXED PAD THAT WAS ALL AMENDED, AND THEN THE LANGUAGE WAS ADDED TO SAY MULTIFAMILY. FAR DENSITY SHALL BE REDUCED BY COMMERCIAL FOR EVERY 800FT■!S OF COMMERCIAL, TE DENSITY SHALL BE REDUCED BY ONE UNIT. EACH RESIDENTIAL UNIT SHALL BE REDUCED. THE ALLOWED THE COMMERCIAL BY 800FT■!S. THIS IS ONE OF THE LPA REQUESTED THAT THE. WE GO BACK AND EVALUATE THE FAR, AND WHERE THE 800FT■!S WAS THE METHODOLOGY OF THE 800FT■!SI AGREE, THAT'S A GOOD SPOT. THAT. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER READ. YOUR LIGHTS ON. OH. ALL RIGHT. WELL WE'RE COMING UP TO THE NEXT TABLE HERE THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. THEN I SEE THERE'S SOME CHANGES. SO ON THE R2 SINGLE FAMILY THIS WAS DONE IN 2020. OCTOBER 26TH OF 2020. SO THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH FOR OUR TWO SINGLE FAMILY USED TO BE 60 FOOT. NOW IT'S 50 FOOT. AND ALSO THE MINIMUM SIDE SETBACKS WERE 7.5FT FOR R2. SINGLE FAMILY AND FOR R2 TWO FAMILY. THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH USED TO BE 75 FOOT, AND THEN FOR R3 SINGLE FAMILY, THE MINIMUM LOT WAS 6060 FOOT. MINIMUM LOT WIDTH. THE MINIMUM FRONT SETBACK WAS 25 FOOT. THE MINIMUM SIDE SETBACK WAS EIGHT FOOT. THE MINIMUM REAR WAS 20 FOOT. INSTEAD, THEY WERE GIVING THEM BONUSES WHEN THEY DID TWO AND THREE STORY TO RELIEVE FROM MINIMUM SIDE SETBACKS. BUT WHEN WE BROUGHT THAT UP DURING THE ZONING IN PROGRESS, THE COMMISSION VOTED SPECIFICALLY NOT TO ADJUST THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH BECAUSE ABOUT 40% OF THE LOTS IN THE CITY WERE 50FT WIDE. AND THEY ALSO SPECIFICALLY WENT BACK AND SAID THEY DID NOT WANT US TO CHANGE THE SETBACKS BECAUSE WE HAD DISCUSSED WE WERE GOING TO BE CHANGING IT FROM 5FT TO 10FT. AND THE BOARD DIRECTED US OR STAFF NOT TO ADJUST THESE LOT WIDTHS OR SETBACKS, UNLESS 
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YOU GUYS ARE SUGGESTING THAT WE CHANGE IT. NOW. THE HISTORY WAS WE WERE FAMILIAR WITH IT THEN AS WELL, BUT THE COMMISSION TOLD US NOT TO DO IT. IT TOOK IT TOOK ME A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH TO FIND THIS FROM AN OLD LPA MEETING, I MEAN, BUT WE WERE AWARE THAT IT HAD BEEN CHANGED. YEAH, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THEY ACTUALLY WERE, MIKE. AND WHEN THEY CHANGED IT IN 2020. SO ARE YOU IS THIS A DIRECTION TO STAFF TO CHANGE? I WAS JUST BRINGING IT UP TO SEE WHAT THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD WAS. BUT THIS IS WHAT IT WAS PRIOR TO OCTOBER 26TH OF 2020. SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE SHOULD CHANGE NUMBERS? WHAT NUMBERS DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT TO? WHY IS IT EASIER IF I MAKE COPIES OF THE OR YOU WANT? WELL, I MEAN JUST ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT TO CHANGE 50FT TO SOMETHING? SO THE MINIMUM LOT WAS 6000, AND THEN THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH WAS 60FT FOR R2. SINGLE FAMILY. I SEE IT'S 50 ON THERE I KNOW, BUT WHAT DO YOU WANT IT TO BE? 60. 
          OKAY. AND THEN FOR THE MINIMUM SIDE WAS 7.5FT. AND I BELIEVE IF YOU SCROLL DOWN JODY. YEAH. SEE THEY GAVE BONUSES WHETHER THEY DID TWO STORY OR THREE STORY, THEY PROVIDED RELIEF FOR ONE AND TWO STORY. RIGHT. IT WAS FIVE FOR ONE STORY. AND THEN IT WENT UP AS IT IF IT WAS A ONE STORY, IT WAS A FIVE FEET, THEN A 1.5FT. WELL, IT'S FIVE FOR THE FIRST FLOOR, CORRECT. RIGHT. BUT HISTORICALLY IT WAS ALWAYS 7.5FT. REGARDLESS, IF YOU DID ONE, 2 OR 3 STORIES. SO ARE YOU CHANGING THAT BECAUSE WE YEAH, THE LPA THAT THE COMMISSION TOLD US SPECIFICALLY AT THE LAST MEETING NOT TO CHANGE THAT. SO IS IT NOT SOMETHING. NO. WE CAN CHANGE IT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO. I JUST WE JUST NEED TO LET THEM KNOW BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE VOTED NOT TO. AND THEN FOR OUR THREE SINGLE FAMILY IT WAS I SEE IF YOU SCROLL UP JODY, YOU HAVE IT AS 6000 WHICH WAS CORRECT. BUT THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH FOR OUR THREE SINGLE FAMILY SHOULD BE 60 FOOT. THE MINIMUM FRONT WAS 25 FOOT, THE MINIMUM SIDE WAS EIGHT FOOT, THE MINIMUM REAR WAS 20 FOOT. SO WHAT IS THAT. YEAH THAT'S. YES. CORRECT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR OKAY. YES. SO LEAVING THE SIDE SIDES ALONE. NO. HE'S SUGGESTING TAKING THE SIDES TO BACK TO SEVEN AND A HALF. FOR WHICH ONE ARE WE TALKING R2 SINGLE FAMILY. YES. IT SHOULD BE 7.5FT. AND THEN FOR R3 SINGLE FAMILY, IT SHOULD BE EIGHT FOOT. INSTEAD THEY WERE GIVING THEM BONUSES FROM THE LAST DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. DID YOU SEE ANY OF THE NOTES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? DID YOU? I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE LPA MEETING, BUT IT WAS DIFFICULT TO FIND. MIKE. WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR THAT, WHICH I DON'T I DON'T HAVE ANY RECOLLECTION OF THE SIDE SETBACK OF THE 7.5. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATIONALE WAS. I DON'T EVEN HONESTLY DON'T REALLY REMEMBER THAT. I ALSO DON'T REMEMBER THE 50 TO 60 FOOT THING, OTHER THAN I THINK WHAT HAPPENED WAS THEY WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED AND A LOT OF THE LOTS ON COCONUT, A LOT OF THE LOTS ON THE 14 AND 15 AND 16 AND 13 ARE ALL 50FT WIDE. SO IT WAS JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE. BUT I MEAN, IF THE BOARD WANTS TO CHANGE IT, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO ADDRESS IT HOW IT DOES. ANY IDEA HOW MANY PROPERTIES WILL BE AFFECTED BY THAT CHANGE? COMMISSIONER. READ THAT BACK FROM OCTOBER 26TH UNTIL NOW. BUT PRIOR TO THAT, IT WAS LIKE THAT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. SO IT'S BEEN CHANGED FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS. I THINK FOR ME, I WOULD BE SATISFIED WITH THE 6000 FOR NOW. AND IF WE WANTED TO REVISIT THIS IN MORE DETAIL, WITH MORE CONTEXT AND HISTORY ON IT BEFORE WE START. 
          DOING THE SETBACKS ON THE FLY, LIKE, AM I ALLOWED TO PASS THIS TO A FELLOW BOARD MEMBER? YEAH, OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. THANKS. COMMISSIONER CLARK. SO THIS I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 310 OF 720 OF 725. RIGHT. OKAY. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MINIMUM SIDE YARD REQUIREMENTS AND SO ON. AND THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD REQUIREMENTS. I DON'T HAVE THE STUDY. AND I HEAR THAT COMMISSIONER READ IS PASSING SOMETHING TO COMMISSIONER JOB. I DON'T HAVE THE STUDY OF THAT. 
          AND USUALLY WHEN WE HAVE THESE ZONING CHANGES THEY'RE DONE FOR A REASON. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE STAFF OR WITH ANY, ANYTHING AT THAT TIME. AND THEN IF ALL OF THEM WERE DONE ALL, ALL THROUGHOUT AT THE SAME TIME IN 2020, BUT CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE AND DIFFERENT STUDIES BRING FORTH CERTAIN THINGS THAT WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD OR FOR A PARTICULAR 
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TYPE OF LAND USE TO ACCOMMODATE DEVELOPMENT ON IT. AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY IT WAS DONE. I SEE THAT MOST OF THEM HAVE STARS. THE ABOVE TABLE DOES NOT APPLY TO THE CRA EXCEPT FOR FOOTNOTES. 
          OKAY, SO THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE CRA. AND THEN THERE'S SPECIAL ZONING CODES, DUPLEXES, ZERO SETBACK BASED ON COMMON WALL FOR DUPLEXES, EXISTING PARCELS WITH A SIGN ID OKAY. SO THAT GOES BACK TO THAT WHOLE PARCEL AND LOT ISSUE EXISTING PARCELS WITH A SIGNED PARCEL ID NUMBERS AT THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS CODE. AND THEN SO I GUESS MAYBE WHENEVER THAT ASSIGNED PARCEL WOULD BE ASSIGNED LOT ID. AND THEN THERE'S A NEWLY PLATTED LOTS OR PARCEL OF RECORD, HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 6000. I DON'T I DON'T SEE THE REASON TO GO BACK TO HAVE IT TO THE TO THE MORE REQUIREMENTS. IF WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS SINCE 2020. BUT IF IT'S A SUGGESTION, I'LL BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN I VOTE ON THIS. WHEN IT COMES UP FOR A VOTE. WELL, COMMISSIONER READ IS ASKING TO MAKE IS ASKING TO INSTRUCT THE CITY MANAGER TO MAKE THE CHANGE. NOW I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE ON IT. IF YOU MAKE THE CHANGE, WOULD IT HAVE TO GO BACK BEFORE THE LPA FOR RECONSIDERATION? NO, BECAUSE IT'S STILL WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE CONVERSATION. 
          RIGHT. IT'S GOING TO. DEFINITELY MAKE MISS CAMPBELL SUE US. BUT IT WILL HAVE OTHER EFFECTS I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW WHAT THE NEXT READING WILL HAVE TO BRING YOU BACK? THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT ARE AFFECTED, NONCONFORMING AND WON'T BE ABLE TO GET HEALTH INSURANCE. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I HAVE ON MY NOTES TOO, BECAUSE YEAH, THESE PEOPLE. CAN WE TAKE A VOTE ON MR. REID'S SUGGESTION? SO THOSE CHANGES CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL ON THAT HAS A QUESTION? I'M SORRY. WHO THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO? WE'RE GOING TO DO. OH, I CHANGED IT. I'M SORRY. WE JUST LOST. 
          WHAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT? OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT. MARCELLA. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? SO, MARCELLA CAMPBELL, FOR THE RECORD, I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR THIS. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND THE TIME REMINDING THIS COMMISSION WHY THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE. YOU'VE DONE SO MUCH ANALYSIS. I'M SURE YOU KNOW WHY THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE. DOES THIS MEAN THAT WHAT WAS SAID IN EVERY SINGLE MEETING, IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ZONING IN PROGRESS WORKSHOPS WHERE THOSE LOTS THAT WERE ALREADY PLATTED AND HAD A PLAT NUMBER WERE GOING TO BE, WE'RE GOING TO REMAIN CONFORMING. IS DOES THAT STILL STAND OR ARE WE MAKING ALL THOSE LOTS NONCONFORMING BECAUSE BECAUSE I'M SORRY. CONSISTENTLY THIS COMMISSION HAS SAID AND INSTRUCTED STAFF TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE TO KEEP IT CONFORMING. CAN WE AND I DON'T I THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE SAID LAST TIME. BUT THE COMMISSION ALSO SAID THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO GO DOWN THIS PATH LAST TIME BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH LOTS LEFT TO WORRY ABOUT. NO, I'M JUST SAYING I'M TALKING ABOUT MINE. I'M TALKING ABOUT MINE. DURING THE LPA, BOTH OF YOU TOLD ME WE WERE AGREEING TO DISAGREE OR ARGUING TO AGREE THAT THE COMMISSION HAS CLEARLY STATED THAT THOSE THAT HAD A PLAT NUMBER WERE GOING TO BE DEEMED CONFORMING. THAT WAS BASED UPON THE REPRESENTATIONS BY THE CITY COMMISSION AT THAT MEETING, AT THAT SAME MEETING THAT THEY MADE THOSE REPRESENTATIONS, THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T GOING TO GO DOWN THIS PATH BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ENOUGH LAND LEFT TO MAKE IT WORTH ADDRESSING AND MAKING THESE CHANGES, BECAUSE THEY WERE ONLY TRYING TO MAKE IT SO THAT LOT SPLITS DIDN'T HAPPEN, AND THEY WERE COVERING THAT BY DOING THE 6000 SQUARE FOOT ISSUE. SO THEY DIDN'T FEEL THE NEED TO GO DOWN IT. THEY BUT UNDER THAT SAME. SO IF THEY CHANGE IT, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE DIRECTION UNDER THAT SAME THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MAINTAINING CONFORMITY OF THE JUST TEN LOTS THAT I LEGALLY DID UNDER THE PRIOR COMMISSION AS A SELF DOWN ZONING FROM 30 UNITS TO THE ACRE TO TEN TO. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF THAT WHICH WAS REPEATED AT EVERY SINGLE ZONING MEETING THAT CHANGED TODAY? OKAY, SO TODAY THE LOTS THAT I HAVE BUILDING COMING OUT OF THE GROUND ARE NONCONFORMING. IS THAT CAN 
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SOMEBODY ANSWER THIS? I THINK I THINK THE CITY MANAGER HAS TOLD YOU I DON'T ON THE INSTRUCTIONS WE PROVIDE. HE CAN'T ANSWER THAT AT THIS MOMENT OKAY. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S YEAH BECAUSE I DON'T OKAY. DO WE NEED A MOTION AND HAVE MY LETTERS BEEN MADE PART OF THE RECORD AS REQUESTED? YES. NOBODY IS. WELL, IS THIS A VENDETTA? I MEAN, WHAT IS IT? I KNOW KINGSWOOD DOESN'T WANT THIS. I MEAN, COMMISSIONER, WHAT DID YOU ASK? I'M SORRY. IS THIS A VENDETTA? WHY ARE WHY I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU'RE. THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS TO THE ONLY BECAUSE YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE OF THESE THAT EXIST BECAUSE OF KEVIN FREEMAN. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? OKAY, AS I ASKED YOU PRIOR, LET'S NOT ENGAGE WITH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS IT THE CONSENSUS OF THIS COMMISSION TO REJECT THE SUGGESTIONS BY COMMISSIONER REID, OR DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL ON IT? FOR ME, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE LANGUAGE AS IT IS HERE. WHERE I HAVE WELL OVER 6000. I THINK IT SHOULD JUST STAY. I'M OPEN TO IT. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, I'D LIKE TO JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT'S FINE. I WAS JUST BRINGING IT TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION. THANK YOU. MOVING ON. 
          THANK YOU. WE'RE JUST MOVING ON. THIS STRANGE ISN'T BEING VOTED. WHAT YEAR? JODY, TABLE SIX IS YOUR COMMERCIAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. THERE WAS NO REQUEST AT THIS TIME. AT NO REQUEST TO MAKE ANY CHANGES OTHER THAN STAFF. CLEANED UP THE LANGUAGE FROM LOT TO PARCEL. AS YOU CAN SEE. SO IN SECTION 2.0, 4.02 IS YOUR SUPPLEMENTAL AREA REQUIREMENTS. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF RED. WE DID CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE TO SAY PARCELS AS OPPOSED TO LOTS OR LOTS OF RECORD. AGAIN, WE DID PUT THE LANGUAGE IN THERE REGARDING THE NO PARCEL RECORD SHALL CONTAIN LESS THAN 4356FT■!S THAT EXISTED ON OR BEFORE SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024, AND NEWLY CREATED PARCEL RECORD SHALL CONTAIN NOT LESS THAN 6000FT■!S AFTER SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024. AGAIN, SOME CLEANUP LANGUAGE WITH PARCELS VERSUS LOTS. IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT? COMMISSIONER CLARK? IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT LOTS IN EAST STEWART? NO, BECAUSE THE COMMISSION VOTED TO KEEP THEM THE SAME. KEEP ALL OF THEM. HOWEVER, THERE ARE LOTS AND STEWART YEAH, THERE ARE LOTS IN EAST STEWART THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING HELD AS WHERE IT'S TWO 50 FOOT LOTS BEING HELD AS ONE PARCEL 100FT WIDE. THAT WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A LOT SPLIT IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE 6000FT■!S. SO THOSE FAMILIES HAVE HELD THOSE PROPERTIES SO THAT THAT PARCEL WILL STILL BE A BUILDABLE PARCEL, BUT IT WON'T BE ABLE TO BE SPLIT IN HALF. SO ONLY WEALTHY OWNERS WILL. BUYERS WILL BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THAT. THAT WILL BE THE START OF GENTRIFICATION. YES IT WILL. 
          IT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. IT STARTED GENTRIFICATION. WAS THAT EAST STEWART MASTER PLAN THAT MARCELLA WAS A PART OF, WHERE EVERYTHING'S BUSINESS MIXED, USED OVER THERE. THAT'S OKAY. 
          MOVING ON. IF YOU WANT TO GO. MOVING ON, MOVING ON. YEAH. GENTRIFICATION. MARCELLA, VICE MAYOR. STOP, STOP. YOU'RE THE LEAD PERSON. STOP! SHOW ME THE LIE. STOP! NOT THE PLACE, NOT THE FORM. LET'S STOP. LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT HIS GENTRIFYING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. DON'T SAY IT'S US. 
          IT WAS IN 2004. VICE MAYOR, DO YOU WANT TO GET THROUGH THIS, OR DO YOU WANT TO JUST ADJOURN EVERY 20 MINUTES? YOU'RE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHERE ARE WE, JODY? WE'RE AT SECTION 205 ZERO ZERO COTTAGE LOTS. WE'RE JUST CHANGED THAT TO PARCELS. WE DO NEED TO CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE. THE AGAIN WE DID PUT IN HERE THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE BEEN PUTTING CONSISTENTLY. WE DID CHANGE THE LANGUAGE FROM PARCEL RECORD. AS OF DECEMBER 10TH, 2007 IS NOW CONSIDERED. ANY PARCEL RECORD. AS OF SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024. THAT LANGUAGE HAS BEEN MODIFIED THROUGHOUT THIS SECTION. THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT IS THAT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE HAD CHANGED TO 4365, SO ALL LOTS THAT WERE 5000, WHETHER THEY WERE A COTTAGE LOT BEFORE DECEMBER OF 2007, WOULD HAVE FALLEN UNDER THE 4300. AND SO THEY ALL VESTED. SO WE MOVE THEM BACK TO SEPTEMBER TO MAKE IT CLEAN. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THIS RENDERING HERE WE JUST NEED TO UPDATE WHERE IT SAYS LOTS. WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT TO PARCEL. I JUST HAD TO RE-IMAGE THIS. IT 
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WAS IN THE CODE AS AN IMAGE. WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON JODY I YOUR PAGES ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT TO ME, SO I'M GOING TO GET TO THE NEXT SECTION. I'M AROUND THE TWO SECTION 20603 ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES. THIS IS ABOUT WHERE I'M AT. HOLD ON TO IT IS PAGE 323. SO YOU'VE PASSED THE TYPES FRONTAGE, PARKING, CODE RELIEF. DO YOU WANT TO. COMMISSIONER CLARK, DO YOU WANT TO CONSIDER PRIOR PAGES. IS THAT PAGE THREE? HOLD ON. SHE SHE HAS 205.06 IS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. YEAH. IS ON PAGE 42 OF 80. CORRECT. JODY. WELL THAT'S HER, THAT'S HER. SO ITEM BUT NOT YOURS. YOURS. YOUR 339 I HAVE PAGE NUMBERS AND PAGE. YEAH. OUR PAGE NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT. IT'S ALSO REFERRING TO THE SECTION NUMBER. SO YOU CAN LOOK REGARDLESS OF WHAT PAGE 2.06.03 OKAY. SO THERE'S ESSENTIALLY NO CHANGES UP TO TILL YOU GET TO. AND I I'M I APOLOGIZE I WAS SCROLLING TOO FAST OR MAKING IT DIZZY. JUST KEEP MOVING. SO IN YOUR SECTION 2.06.09 YOUR HOME OCCUPATIONS, WE DID CHANGE NUMBER SEVEN WHERE IT SAID NO HOME OCCUPATION SHALL BE CONDUCTED. ANY ACCESSORY DWELLING BUILDING UNLESS APPROVED BY A CONDITIONAL USE. 
          SO WE ADDED THE LANGUAGE. I'M SORRY JODY, COULD YOU JUST GO BACK TO 2.06.04? WHY IS THAT YELLOW. SO IF YOU SEE SOME OF THE YELLOW I DO APOLOGIZE. THAT WAS JUST SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE WERE STILL WORKING THROUGH. SO IN MY DOCUMENT THERE'S NO MORE YELLOW. WE'VE ALREADY RESEARCHED THAT AREA. WE JUST HIGHLIGHTED ALL THE SECTIONS. IT'S NOT APPLICABLE IN YOUR SECTION. I WILL STAY THE SAME. IT WILL STAY THE SAME NUMBER A OKAY. SO AGAIN THIS IS A SECOND READING. I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU REMOVE THAT HIGHLIGHTING. IF IT'S YES. THIS AGAIN, WHEN YOU GET THIS IN SECOND READING IT WILL BE IN AN ORDINANCE FORMAT. THIS IS JUST YOUR WORKING COPIES BECAUSE AGAIN, STAFF HAD VERY LITTLE TIME TO KIND OF PUT THIS TOGETHER. SO THIS WOULD BE MY WORKING DRAFT. AND TYPICALLY I WOULD WRITE THE LANGUAGE FROM THERE. NOW WE'RE ON 2.06.09 HOME OCCUPATIONS. YES. AND IT'S PERENS. IT'S A PERENS SEVEN. AND IT SAID NO HOME OCCUPATION SHALL BE CONDUCTED IN AN ACCESSORY BUILDING UNLESS APPROVED BY A CONDITIONAL USE. ISN'T THE STATE PREEMPTED US ON THIS? NO, NO, THIS WAS ALSO BECAUSE IT'S HOME OCCUPATION IS. BUT THIS IS A SECONDARY USE. SO THIS WAS THE WE HAD A PLANNER THAT CAME IN AND SAID SHE WANTED TO HAVE HER OFFICE BE A SEPARATE LIKE IN HER THING. AND THE COMPROMISE THE COMMISSION HAD WAS TO HAVE IT BE APPROVED BY A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND THAT'S WHERE IT GOT. 
          SO THESE WILL BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. IT'S NOT A PERMITTED USE. BY RIGHTS. THERE'S NO STATE LAW ON OUR ON OUR ABOUT THE CONSTRAINTS, OUR ABILITY TO LIMIT. YOU CAN HAVE A HOME BUSINESS AND WE CAN'T PREVENT YOU FROM HAVING THE HOME BUSINESS UNDER THE STATE LAW IN YOUR PRIMARY STRUCTURE. BUT YOU CAN'T BUILD A PRIMARY HOUSE AND THEN BUILD A SECOND BUSINESS AND HAVE A SECOND USE OR BUSINESS AND HAVE A HOUSE HERE AND A BUSINESS HERE, BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE TWO USES ON THE PROPERTY. IF YOU WANT YOUR LIVING ROOM TO BE YOUR HOME BUSINESS, HAVE AT IT. IF YOU WANT TO BUILD THE OUT PARCEL, YOU CAN'T CONDUCT YOUR BUSINESS OUT OF YOUR ADU. THAT'S WHAT THE CODE SAYS. REALLY. BEFORE IT SAID NO HOME OCCUPATION SHALL BE CONDUCTED IN ANY ACCESSORY BUILDING PERIOD. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ADDING TO IT, IS TO ALLOW IT TO BE USED AS A CONDITION BY CONDITIONAL USE. SO THE CODE PRIOR TO THIS CHANGE WAS NO OPPORTUNITY EVER. YOU CAN'T EVEN COME IN FOR IT. NOW WE'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T. AND IT CAN BE APPROVED BY CONDITIONAL PERMIT. IT SEEMS A LITTLE HEAVY HANDED, BUT. MY GOVERNMENT I MEAN, IT'S YOUR GUYS'S CHOICE IF YOU WANT TO HOWEVER YOU WANT. SO I JUST GET THROUGH SOME OF THE. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 
          I'M SORRY, BUT. SO MY ADULT SON LIVES IN THE ADU, AND HE HAS A BUSINESS THAT'S NOT ALLOWED. IF YOU AND I HAVE, AND MY WIFE HAS A BUSINESS AND THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. SO YOU WOULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD TO GET APPROVAL. IN THE CODE FOR THE ACCESSORY, RIGHT. THE WIFE SAYS YOUR WIFE IS ALLOWED. BUT THAT WAS WHAT THE CODE SAID ALREADY. THAT'S NOT A CHANGE WE'RE 
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MAKING. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT THIS WAS A VERY GOOD POINT. WHAT IF SOMEBODY RENTS THEIR HOUSE AND THEY RENT BOTH THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND THE ADU, AND THE PERSON IN THE ADU IS A FAMILY MEMBER, SO THEY'RE NOT THE OWNER, BUT IT IS A FAMILY THAT'S IN THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. AND THE INTENTION IS TO NOT HAVE TWO SEPARATE TENANTS. SO THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU WOULD THINK OF RENTING IT IF SOMEONE RENTED A PRIMARY HOUSE WITH A GUEST HOUSE ON IT TO ONE FAMILY AND ONE FAMILY LIVED IN IT, IT WOULD STILL BE ONE FAMILY LIVING IN IT, AND IT WOULDN'T BE CONTRARY TO THE INTENT. EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT THE REGISTERED. WELL THEN THAT'S RIGHT. AND MAYBE OUR LANGUAGE NEEDS CLARIFICATION ON IT. BUT THE INTENTION WAS TO NOT HAVE ONE PERSON RENTING THE HOUSE AND ONE PERSON RENTING THE BACK HOUSE. IF ONE PERSON IS RENTING BOTH, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE TWO DIFFERENT RENTALS. IT'S ONE RENTAL, OKAY, AS LONG AS THE LANGUAGE IS CLEAR, BECAUSE I DO KNOW PEOPLE WHO RENTED FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND IT'S GOING TO BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR US. OKAY, SORRY. GO ON. JODY. OH, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER CLARK. SO, JODY, SECTION 2.06 15, HAVE WE REACHED THERE YET? I WANT TO FIND OUT WHY WE TOOK OUT THE ROOF, PITCH, ROOF AND ARCHITECTURAL. SO THERE'S A STATE STATUTE THAT WAS PASSED AROUND 2020 STATING THAT WE CAN THAT'S THAT MUNICIPALITIES OR GOVERNMENT CANNOT. DO ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS FOR A SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX UNLESS IT'S IN A PUD OR A CRA OR A OVERLAY DISTRICT. SO THIS WOULD BE JUST SOME CLEAN UP LANGUAGE. OKAY. AND THE SAME THING GOES FOR NUMBER EIGHT MAIN ENTRANCE. THAT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL THING, AN ORNAMENTAL STRUCTURAL DETAILS. YES. THAT'S ON PAGE THREE. 4 TO 6 OF 725. YES. HARBORS ALL THAT IS TAKEN OUT AND YES. YES. OKAY. WE CAN NO LONGER REGULATE THAT BECAUSE THE STATE STATUTE PREEMPTED US. OKAY. SO THAT'S CLEAN UP. LANGUAGE IS STAFF IS REQUESTING. WHY DID THE STATE EXCUSE ME? WHY DID THE STATE GO? BECAUSE BIG HOUSES WERE BUILDING COOKIE CUTTER HOUSES, AND MUNICIPAL WERE WANTING ARCHITECTURAL STUFF, AND THE STATE SAID NO TO THE MUNICIPALITIES. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. OKAY. I'M UP TO TWO. SECTION TWO, 2.0, 6.2, 2.17. WAS THAT MARINE RELATED? OKAY. THAT'S FINE. YEAH. IT'S JUST THAT WAS JUST SOME CLEANUP LANGUAGE. SO RV CHARGERS AS YOU KNOW WE CANNOT NO LONGER MANDATE THEM. SO WE STRUCK OUT THE LANGUAGE. OH THAT'S WHY WE'RE TAKING THAT OUT I WAS WONDERING IF IT WAS BECAUSE WE WERE ON ARE WE ON PAGE 350 OF 725 REMOVING THE RV CHARGING STATIONS BECAUSE THE STATE STATUTES SAID WE HAD TO PREEMPTED US. RIGHT. CORRECT. SO WE'RE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO REGULATE THAT. CORRECT. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. MANDATED. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TAKING IT OUT. AND THEN FOR THE DRUG AND ALCOHOL REHAB TREATMENT FACILITIES, WE ARE NOT TOUCHING THAT LANGUAGE AS OF RIGHT NOW. 
          COMMISSION DIRECTED US TO BRING THAT BACK SEPARATELY, TO BE REQUIRED TO BUILD THEM AT THE HILTON. THAT WAS IN A PUD. AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE DID. HE CAN COME BACK AND ASK A CHANGE HERE. 
          YEAH. NON-SECURE RESIDENTIAL, THE FACILITY WITH 1500 SQUARE FEET. SO THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE WHAT ARE THESE ARE THESE ARE STANDARD REQUIREMENTS WHICH IS WHY WE SUGGESTED THEM I'M SORRY. 
          WHAT WHAT SECTION 2.06 2323 OKAY. LET ME JUST GO BACK UP THERE. OH THE MAIN THING WAS ABOUT WITH IT NOT BEING IN ONE HALF MILE OF ANOTHER SUCH FACILITY, WE'RE NOT DOING THE WE STRUCK THAT LANGUAGE AND REMOVED IT ALL TOGETHER. SO THAT'S ALSO THAT STRUCK OKAY. THAT'S NO LONGER IN YOUR IN THE NEW UPDATED DOCUMENT. SO WE WILL SO 2.06.23 THE COMMISSION TOLD US TO BRING BACK STANDALONE UNRELATED TO THE ZIP. SO IT'S NOT BEING CHANGED. CORRECT. SO THIS RED LANGUAGE BUT IT'S NOT. BUT IT'S RIGHT. AND THE REVISED VERSION IT'S BLACK NOW. RIGHT. 
          SO BECAUSE THE RESOLUTION ORIGINALLY HAD IT IN IT, BUT THEN AFTER YOU VOTED ON IT AT THE RESOLUTION STAGE, YOU TOLD US TO TAKE IT OUT, BUT THE RESOLUTION DIDN'T GET MODIFIED. 
          SO THE SO THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HAD THE DIRECTION TO LEAVE IT IN, BUT THE ACTUAL MEETING MINUTES SHOW THAT THE COMMISSION VOTED AND TOLD US NOT TO ADDRESS IT. SO THIS IS GOING 
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TO BE GONE. IT'S GONE ALREADY. SO IF YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IT WAS ALREADY GONE. IT'S, IT'S REMOVED OUT OF YOUR IT'S REMOVED OUT OF THE OUT OF YOUR, YOUR WORKING DOCUMENT. MAYOR. 
          COMMISSIONER JOB. YES. CAN I ASK THE CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT THEY CANNOT BE LOCATED WITHIN ONE HALF MILE? CORRECT. ALL THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE BROUGHT IT BACK IN THE RESOLUTION FORM TO ADDRESS IT, WHERE YOU GUYS ADOPTED THE RESOLUTION OF STOP. AND ON THAT DAY, YOU GUYS SAID, WE'RE NOT READY TO ADOPT ALL THIS STUFF WITHIN THE COUNTY YET. WE WANT YOU GUYS TO POSTPONE IT AND BRING IT BACK SEPARATELY AND ON ITS OWN. OKAY. AND THEN IT DIDN'T GET THE UNFORTUNATELY, THE RESOLUTION ITSELF DIDN'T GET UPDATED. SO WHEN IT GOT SENT OVER TO DEVELOPMENT TO WRITE THIS CODE, THEY THOUGHT IT WAS STILL IN AND INCLUDED IT. BUT THE RESOLUTION YOU GUYS TOLD US TO TAKE IT OUT. NOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THE PATH, WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS IT. RIGHT. EXACTLY. THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR. CAN I THANK YOU, MISS COOGLER, ON PAGE 356 OF 725, THE MIXED USE BEING ADDED INTO THE MIXED USE PUD, AS WELL AS THE PARKING STANDARDS AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE OTHER TWO TABLES. TABLE 207.008 AND TABLE 207 A OR B AND 207.00 A. ALL OF THOSE ARE IN YELLOW. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO AND IF YOU LOOK UP ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THAT GOING GOING BACK WE, WE LISTENED AND HAD TO LIKE THE MANAGER STATED THAT THE RESOLUTION AND SOME OF THE VERBIAGE FOR THE RESOLUTION VERSUS THE ACTUAL MINUTES WERE A LITTLE INCONSISTENT. SO WE ACTUALLY HAD TO GO BACK AND STRIKE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. IT WAS REQUESTED DURING THE MIXED USE PORTION OF IT. SO THERE'S NO SHARED PARKING. THERE'S NO CONVERSION FOR SHARED PARKING. 
          SO THAT'S ALL BEEN TAKEN OUT. SO EVERYTHING IN YELLOW IS IN FACT REDLINED. SO WE ARE STILL EVALUATING THIS SECTION. AND THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION THAT WE THAT STAFF HAS TO THE BOARD IS BEING THAT THIS IS PART OF YOUR. THE I DO BELIEVE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED DELETED WITH THE SAME THING WITH THE WITH THE SHARED PARKING. BUT I STILL THINK YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN THE UPGRADED SIDEWALKS, THAT IF YOU'RE IN A MIXED USE PUD, YOU STILL WANT THEM TO CREATE A PUBLIC PRIVATE AMENITY. SO I THINK THIS STILL IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN. BUT TAKE OUT THE VERBIAGE FOR D. CORRECT QUESTION. COMMISSIONER CLARK. SO I HAVE MY LIGHT ON. SO THE SO THE IT STANDARDS, WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE ITE STANDARDS. SO STAFF DID SUGGEST THAT. BUT WHEN THE FINAL RESOLUTION CAME OUT YES THE BOARD DID NOT SUPPORT THE ITE. SO WHAT STANDARD ARE WE GOING TO USE. JUST THESE THESE THINGS IN TABLE 207008. WHAT IS THAT WE A WEEKEND. YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PARK IT ACCORDINGLY. SO YOU'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO YOUR PARKING TABLE. YOU'LL HAVE TO PARK YOUR COMMERCIAL BASED OFF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT WILL GIVE US BIGGER PARKING LOTS, MORE HOT AREAS, LESS TREES. I KNOW, I KNOW, NO NO, NO ABILITY TO SHARE PARKING. THAT IS WHAT THE BOARD DIRECTED THE STAFF. SHARED. USE PARKING IS MENTIONED NUMEROUS. THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YEAH. AND WE'LL HAVE AN IMPOSSIBLE TIME PROVIDING JUSTIFICATION OR DATA IT'LL BE POSSIBLE TO JUSTIFY THOSE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGES WITH THAT. DATA JUST DOESN'T EXIST. SO WHY DO WE KEEP THE OH, YOU'RE NOT KEEPING THE TABLES. YOU HAVE THEM. THE RED. YES THEY ARE RED LINED. SO WHAT IS THE ACTUAL STANDARD. WHAT IS THE PARKING STANDARD? ACCORDING TO THE PARKING CALCULATIONS AND SECTION SIX OR CHAPTER SIX, YOU'LL HAVE TO TAKE EACH USE AND PARK THEM ACCORDINGLY. SO DID THE LPA ACTUALLY CONSIDERED THE PARKING STANDARDS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO THAT WILL BE WRITTEN. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE LPA DID WANT US TO DO MORE EVALUATION ON THE PARKING STANDARDS. SO THEY DID NOT CONSIDER THAT OKAY. THEY CONSIDERED IT, BUT THEY DIDN'T AGREE WITH MAKING THE CHANGES. AND CAN I CAN I JUST SORRY MY 
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THING WENT OUT. SO WE HAD TAKEN OUT COMMERCIAL FROM, FROM THE FROM THE, THE ZIP. AND I THINK COMMERCIAL IS ONE OF THE PLACES WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF PARKING. AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S MULTIFAMILY, BUT I HEAR THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MULTIFAMILY EXCEPT FOR THE MULTIFAMILY THAT'S ALREADY LISTED. THERE ARE THREE THAT'S AVAILABLE IN EAST STUART. I HEAR THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY VACANT, SO I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE WE'RE. WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE PARKING STANDARDS HERE. BUT I, I KNOW WHAT I, I THINK WHAT IT IS THAT IF PEOPLE DECIDE TO GO THREE STORIES OR EVEN FOUR STORIES, THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT MUCH, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO QUOTE UNQUOTE, PARK IT BASED ON THOSE STANDARDS. BUT. WHAT IS YOUR ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION, MISS KUGLER? YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT. WELL, STAFF DID MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. WE REQUESTED THAT WE USE THE ITE STANDARDS THAT'S EVALUATED EVERY TWO YEAR. 
          AND DID KIMLEY-HORN DID KIMLEY-HORN SAY ANYTHING ON THAT? THE COMMISSION VOTED TO IGNORE THAT, DIRECT US TO DO IT THIS WAY. AND MR. VICE MAYOR, YES, I THINK A POINT TO CONSIDER WITH REGARD TO PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN LIGHT OF SB 102 WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER WAS TRYING TO CONVERT A PROJECT TO APARTMENTS. THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THESE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN FOR APARTMENTS WITHOUT THAT. UNDER SENATE BILL 102, THEY HAVE TO THEY BRING IN THE PLAN DENSITY AND THE HEIGHT, BUT THEY HAVE TO MEET PARKING. OKAY. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE TAKE OUT THESE SPOTS, IF WE ARE TAKING THEM OUT, THAT THERE'S SOME CONGRUENCY IN THIS WHOLE THING. AND I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING IT GOES BACK TO CHAPTER PART SIX OR SOMETHING, BACK TO CHAPTER SIX TO YOUR PARKING STANDARDS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. RESIDENTIAL UNIT BONUS. THAT IS REMOVED AS WELL. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE KNOW. RESIDENTIAL BONUS UNIT REMOVED. I DON'T I DON'T AGREE WITH IT. I THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE WORKED ON DURING PUD TIME AND SO ON, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE GUIDELINES LIKE THAT. BUT. WE'LL SEE. RESIDENTIAL UNIT VARIETY DENSITY OKAY. SO IF WE'RE CHANGING WE DID IT ONCE AND WE CROSSED IT OUT, THEN I SEE IT IN BLACK IN THAT TABLE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A NAME OR NUMBER, BUT IT'S UNDER SECTION H MIXED USE DENSITY CALCULATION. IT SAYS RESIDENTIAL UNIT VARIETY DENSITY BONUS. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND THE PART IN RED THAT'S UNDER TOTAL DEVELOPMENT FLOOR SPACE? I AGREE I THINK YOU SHOULD CLEAN THAT UP TO BRING THIS UP. OKAY. TRF SLASH TDF BECAUSE THAT'S USING THAT THREE UNDER H. UNDER H. YES. AND DO YOU HAVE DO YOU HAVE A LITTLE LEGEND FOR THE TRF AND THE TDF REALLY THAT I MEAN JODY THAT WHOLE CHART, RIGHT. CORRECT. WOULD BE VICE MAYOR. COULD YOU ASK TO BE RECOGNIZED? I'M SO SORRY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED. I MEAN, THE SHORT FORM, MAYBE YOU DID PUT THE SHORT FORM SOMEWHERE ELSE, MISS COOGLER, BUT I DON'T SEE IT. I JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN IT JUST SHOWS UP IN THE CHART AS TRF AND TDF, ALTHOUGH IT'S TOTAL DEVELOPMENT FLOOR AREA, IT PROBABLY NEEDS IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO SAY AFTER WHERE IT SAYS THAT THEIR TOTAL RESIDENTIAL FLOOR SPACE, IT NEEDS TO SAY IT OVER THERE INSTEAD OF AFTER THE NUMBER 75,000FT■!S, 120,000FT■!. OKAY. AND MIXED USE. WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF ADDING IN THIS MIXED USE PUD? THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS REQUESTED THAT EVERY. I'LL HAVE A MIC EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. IS THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY IT'S IT FALLS UNDER THE UNDER THE FLOOR AREA RATIO. 
          BUT THE SO IF YOU HAD IT WHEN YOU GUYS GAVE US THE INSTRUCTION, IT WASN'T THINKING 
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OF IT ALL IN THE SAME BUILDING. BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME. SO WHEN YOU SAID FOR EVERY 800FT■!S OF COMMERCIAL THAT WAS DEVELOPED, THE. DEVELOPER WAS DEDUCTED ONE UNIT OF DENSITY. SO IF SOMEONE BUILT A 10,000 SQUARE OR A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING, YOU WOULD DIVIDE 15,000FT■!S. AND I'M PULLING UPY CALCULATOR. SO YOU TAKE 15,000 AND YOU SAY 15 123 DIVIDED BY 800 EQUALS. THAT WOULD BE 18.75. OR ROUNDING UP TO 19 UNITS WOULD BE TAKEN AWAY. SO IF THE 15,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING WAS ON TWO ACRES AND THEY WERE ENTITLED TO 30 UNITS OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AND INSTEAD THEY BUILT 15,000 OF COMMERCIAL SPACE, IT WOULD REDUCE THE 30 UNITS DOWN BY 19, AND IT WOULD ONLY LEAVE 11 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AVAILABLE. RATHER THAN LETTING THE DEVELOPER BUILD THE MAXIMUM BUILDING ENVELOPE OF COMMERCIAL AND THEN STILL HAVING THE MAXIMUM DENSITY REGARDLESS OF WHAT COMMERCIAL WAS BUILT, THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION WAS TO REDUCE THE DENSITY BY ONE UNIT FOR EVERY 800FT■!S OF COMMERCIAL THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED. SOLID. I MEAN, THAT'S THE EXPLANATION FOR IT. OKAY. AND I SEE THAT SHE HAD THE DEFINITION SOMEWHERE ELSE ON ANOTHER PAGE, BUT IT WAS 1000 ORIGINALLY. TABLE 2.07 SHALL BE USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF RESIDENTIAL PARKING SPACE. THAT'S NOT READ OUT LOUD, COMMISSIONER CLARK. ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE ANY. WHERE'S THE END OF SECTION TWO? AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, YES. 2.0. NEXT CHAPTER TWO. MANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING SECTION TWO? I'M PROUD OF YOU GUYS. YOU SHOULD BE WRITING. TO BE ABLE TO. I'M SORRY. JODY, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO, I DO NOT, COMMISSIONER CLARK, JUST TO BE SURE, SINCE WE DID SOMETHING WITH THE DRUG TREATMENT FACILITIES EARLIER ON, I FORGOT WHERE IT IS AT THE VERY END OF THAT WHOLE THING WHERE IT SAYS PAGE 61 OF 375 NON-SECURE RESIDENTIAL DRUG AND ALCOHOL REHABILITATION CENTERS, WHERE WE DISCUSSED THAT. WE'RE BRINGING THAT BACK SEPARATELY. IT'S NOT BEING ADDRESSED ON THIS. OKAY. SO OKAY, I JUST WANT TO BE SURE BECAUSE THIS THIS JUST SHOWS UP AT THE END OF THE CHAPTER UNDERNEATH. I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT FITS IN. IT WAS BECAUSE WE HAD TO GET THE AGENDA OUT ABOUT TWO DAYS AFTER THE MEETING. OKAY. THAT'S FINE, I WE'RE GOING I KNOW THAT THE LPA DIDN'T SEE ALL OF THIS, AND I'M EVEN SAYING THINGS THAT YOUR VERSION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT UP THERE, BUT I JUST WANT TO BRING IT UP BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE ON THE RECORD. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'RE ON CHAPTER OBJECTION FROM THE COMMISSION. IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO COMMENT ON OUR CONCLUSION OF CHAPTER TWO, OR I'LL LET YOU COMMENT AS WE MOVE INTO CHAPTER THREE. MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY GREEN CARDS? I'M SORRY. YEAH. MR. PRICE. YES. GOOD EVENING. I AM HERE, I WAS COULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? YES. DUET PRICE 257 AND 245 SAINT LUCIE BOULEVARD. THE DUPLEX PROPERTIES THAT I THINK ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE SOMEWHAT VACANT RIGHT NOW. WHERE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN SILENCED. BUT I'M COMING HERE TONIGHT TO MAKE SURE I LET EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND. SO I SEE WE'RE NOW WE'RE GOING INTO DUPLEX PROPERTIES GOING FROM 50 TO 60 AND 75 AND THEN MAKING SETBACKS AT SEVEN AND A HALF. SO ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE LIKE R-1S AND ARES AND ALL THAT COMPARABLE IN THEIR SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO IF YOU DO A CALCULATION WHICH WE TALK ABOUT THE DATA, THE COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION VOTED NOT TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND TO LEAVE IT RIGHT, OKAY. IT WAS JUST A DISCUSSION TODAY. YES. 
          YES. YEAH. OH OKAY. WELL THAT'S ALL. WE WOKE YOU UP THOUGH. SORRY. YES. YES. GOOD. WELL, AT THE SAME TIME, I WILL TELL YOU THAT. AS I WAS GETTING READY TO GO INTO THE DATA, THERE'S NO DATA. I HEAR STAFF, THEY'RE TRYING THEY'RE STRUGGLING TO GO THROUGH THIS. AND THERE'S A PROCESS. I'VE HEARD THE MAYOR GO THROUGH CERTAIN THINGS. I THINK I'VE ALREADY SPOKE TO MIKE AND THE CITY ATTORNEY AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. IS THAT THIS PROCESS IS NOT BEING FOLLOWED IN A PROPER WAY. SO, BURT HARRIS, I'M GOING TO SAY IT OVER AND OVER. BURT HARRIS, THE COMPLAIN, EVERYONE THINKS IT'S A SIMPLE PROCESS. I HOPE YOU DO SEND EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING TO 
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THE TO THE STATE, BECAUSE THAT WILL WAKE THEM UP AND MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE WILL TAKE THE TORCH AND REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD THAT A LOT OF WHAT I SEE HAPPENING HERE IS A DISSERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. DON'T LET ME GET AN EAST YORK BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS MY POINT AND WHERE WE ARE WITH EAST STEWART. OKAY. BECAUSE AT THE SAME TIME, EVERYONE SAYS THEY'RE PROTECTED, BUT NO ONE HAS A PLAN AND NO ONE IS LOOKING TO TRY TO GET HIM A PLAN. THAT IS DISINGENUOUS. EVERYONE CAN SAY WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE THEM BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO COME AND BUILD A STARBUCKS ON THE BOTTOM. AND HIGH RISE GUYS, I'M IN A DEVELOPMENT GAME. YOU LOOK AT CITY PLACE AND CLEMATIS, YOU GO ONE BLOCK OFF OF BRIGHT LINE, YOU GO TO BOCA. NONE OF THAT HAS CHANGED. OKAY. AND FOR A DEVELOPER TO COME IN HERE AND DO WHAT EVERYONE IS CLAIMING IS GOING TO HAPPEN, IT FINANCIALLY ISN'T FEASIBLE. SO BUT THAT'S JUST ME BECAUSE I JUST DO THAT FOR A LIVING. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. MISS CAMPBELL. THANK YOU, MARCELLA CAMPBELL, FOR THE RECORD. MY COUNCIL SENT THREE LETTERS WHICH WE REQUESTED. THEY BE PART OF THE RECORD. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE PART OF THE RECORD OR NOT. ONE OF THE LETTERS IS APPROPRIATE TO THE IMPACT THAT THE CHANGES TO PARKING ARE HAVING ON AN APPROVED URBAN PUD. THAT I HAVE, IN FACT, THE CHANGES TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF PARKING FOR SINGLE FAMILY APARTMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, STUDIOS THAT ARE NOW GOING TO HAVE PROPOSED TWO TWO PARKING SPACES PER STUDIO, THE SAME AS A BIG HOUSE IN PALM CITY, OR TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS NOW HAVING TWO AND A HALF PARKING SPACES PER PER UNIT. AGAIN, MORE THAN ANY HOUSE REQUIREMENT IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY. AS IF THAT'S REALLY GOING TO STOP THE TRAFFIC OR AFFECT ANY OF THE POLICIES THAT ARE BRINGING THE TRAFFIC THROUGH US. THAT INCLUDED WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE SHARED PARKING POLICY THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THREE POLICIES OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT AFFECTS MY DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL DIRECTLY. I DID THE CALCULATIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY CALCULATIONS HAVE BEEN DONE. I KNOW THAT FOR MANY OF YOU IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUT FOR A PROJECT THAT I AM TRYING TO DO WITH 16 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, WHERE THAT PROJECT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED 45 SPACES, WHEN I ADD SOME COMMERCIAL AND I WON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF GETTING A PARKING EXCEPTION LIKE THE PEOPLE IN COMMERCIAL APPARENTLY HAVE, THIS CHANGE WOULD TAKE IT TO 85 SPACES THAT COUPLE. SO FROM 45 TO 85 WITH 16 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          IF I KEEP 1 TO 1, YOU KNOW, EACH UNIT HAS TO BE MIXED USE. SO IF I KEEP EACH LITTLE BEDROOM APARTMENT WITH AN OFFICE DOWNSTAIRS, I'M GOING TO 85 PARKING SPACES, WHETHER IT FITS OR NOT. THAT'S MY PROBLEM. WHAT THAT'S DOING TO OUR ENVIRONMENT, COUPLED WITH THE NEW LAWS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION THAT ARE COMING IN AND WILL AFFECT THE CITY AND WILL AFFECT DEV STORMWATER RUNOFF, THESE THINGS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. AND LIKE I SAID, THE LETTER FROM MY COUNSEL HAS BEEN SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? HI. OKAY, JODY GOT NUMBER THREE. PLEASE REMEMBER. NO. I'M JUST GOING TO SCROLL DOWN UNTIL I. MY LIGHT IS ON. THIS IS JUST SOME CLEANUP PARCELS. A LOT OF THE FIRST SECTION IS JUST GOING TO BE. SO IN SECTION 3.0, 1.03 URBAN CENTER TALKS ABOUT SHARED PARKING THAT HAS BEEN STRIKE THROUGH. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THE PARCEL LOT PARCEL CLEANUP IN THE URBAN. THE FIRST PART OF THE URBAN AREA. COULD YOU GIVE ME A. 384 AHEAD. SO I THINK A LOT OF THE SUBSTANCE FOR A LOT FOR CHAPTER THREE IS GOING TO BE IN THE EAST. STUART, WHERE YOU DIRECTED STAFF TO. SO THIS IS YOUR NEW PARKING TABLE FOR URBAN AREAS FOR DUPLEXES. YOU 
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REQUEST A STAFF TO CHANGE IT FROM ONE POINT TO 0.5. SO IN DUPLEX RESIDENTS YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE TWO PER UNIT. AND THEN SINGLE FAMILY ALSO A MULTI-FAMILY TWO PER UNIT. SO YOU'RE IN 3.0200 STUART NEIGHBORHOOD CODE. NOW I'M IN THE URBAN CODE DISTRICT USES. 
          IT'S BY THE PARKING TABLE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN COMMISSIONER CLARK YOU CAN SEE SOME SOME OF MY CHANGES THAT WILL HELP. WELL, I HAVE THE TWO UNIT THING. I THOUGHT WE HAD PASSED THAT ALREADY. YEAH. BECAUSE. OKAY, THAT'S WHEN MISS CAMPBELL CAME UP TO US. SORRY. 
          MAY I BE RECOGNIZED? I'M SORRY. SO JUST RIGHT ABOVE THAT. MISS. MISS RIGHT ABOVE THAT. YOU HAD SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT THE EXEMPTION. THE PARKING EXEMPTION IS BEFORE THAT. AND THEN THERE WERE I WISH I COULD FIND IT. SO THE STAFF WAS NOT DIRECTED TO TOUCH ANYTHING IN THE OLD TOWN DISTRICT OR THE PARKING EXEMPT, EXEMPT AREA IN THE CRA. SO WE DID NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES THERE. 
          OKAY. BUT THE ONE I WAS THINKING ABOUT WAS V AND V AND VI SIX, FIVE AND SIX. CAN YOU GIVE US A CLUE WHAT? PAGE 378 OF 725 ARE WE IN THE URBAN AREA? IT SAYS WITH ITS RIGHT ABOVE THAT LAND USE TYPE, WHERE YOU HAD THE TWO PER UNIT. IT'S ROMAN NUMERAL FIVE AND ROMAN NUMERAL SIX, BUT THEY'RE SMALL PRINT. LET ME JUST IS IT THE WORD EXEMPTION? NO. THE WIDTH OF THE PARKING SPACES MAY BE REDUCED TO EIGHT AND ONE HALF FEET FOR UP TO 10% OF THE REQUIRED PARKING RIGHT THERE. WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES. OKAY. SO AS I WAS THINKING OF A DEVELOPMENT LIKE MARCELLUS AND HOW YOU COMPLY WITH THE PARKING, IF THAT KIND OF GIVES HER SOMEWHAT A LESS IF SHE'S IF SHE'S IN THIS CATEGORY, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS URBAN OR SOMETHING. SO MAYBE SHE'S NOT IN THAT CATEGORY. DEVELOPMENT ISN'T IN THIS. IT'S NOT IN THAT CATEGORY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT OKAY. OKAY. SO THE ONLY CHANGES WE MADE HERE WAS THE WE INCREASED THE 0.5 PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENT. 1.5 TO 2. OKAY. I'M SORRY I PASS THROUGH THAT LONG TIME OKAY. SO I'M JUST GOING TO. 
          SO WE DID THERE WAS NO CHANGES IN THE PARKING EXEMPT AREA WITHIN THE CRA. A LOT OF THIS IS CLEAN UP FROM LOT TO PARCEL. AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE MORE OF THE CHANGES. GO TO THE EAST STUART OVER FORM BASED CODE. 3.022. AND THEN LET ME JUST GET DOWN TO THAT. ARE YOU DOWN TO 409 YET. 
          SO I'M AT SECTION 3.01.06 WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENTS, 2.02 I HAVE I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. MR. VICE MAYOR. SO SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO NUMBER THREE. NO. NUMBER THREE OKAY. YES. SO WHERE IT SAYS MIXED MIXED RESIDENTIAL UNIT TYPES, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES A MIX OF ONE AND TWO BEDROOM RENTAL APARTMENTS, 1000FT■!S OR LESS OF GROSS FLOOR AREA. WHY? WHY WOULD RENTAL BE IF WHY WOULD THE RENTAL VERSUS FEE? WHY IS THAT RELEVANT IF IT'S FOR RENT? OR YOU COULD OWN A UNIT. I MEAN IT'S NOT BEING CHANGED. SO NO, NO I KNOW, BUT I, I THAT CAUGHT MY EYE. WHY WHY IS THAT. WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON, MR. VICE MAYOR? YES. 394. I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING. I THINK THAT'S A RATIONALE FOR THAT. SO. WELL, I THINK THAT IT PROBABLY WAS A MISTAKE. I MEAN, IT PROBABLY WAS SIMPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING THEY WERE THINKING OF BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE SAYING, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, YOU HAVE TO PUT IT IN CONTEXT WITH THE WORKSHOPS THAT STAFF WAS BEING PRESENTED WITH, THE PUBLIC WAS COMING IN AND SAYING, WE NEED MORE HOUSING, WE NEED WORKFORCE HOUSING. AND THE DEPARTMENT OF THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY HAD COME IN AND RECOMMENDED TO THE CITY COMMISSION TO BUILD APARTMENTS. AND THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ROOM WOULD BE FILLED WITH PEOPLE SAYING, WE NEED MORE APARTMENTS IN STUART. IN ALL OF 2017 AND ALL OF 18, WE HAD LIKE FIVE WORKSHOPS AND THEY ALL CAME OUT. SO I THINK STAFF DID IT, BUT I THINK THEY JUST SAID RENTAL BECAUSE AT THE TIME THAT'S WHAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED OR CREATED BY THE BOARD. WASN'T 
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NOBODY WAS. AZUL WASN'T GOING TO BE CONDOS. IT WAS IT WAS RENTAL THAT THEY WERE DISCUSSING. BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT PROBABLY SHOULD. THE WORD RENTAL SHOULD BE THERE. IT SHOULD JUST SAY THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES A MIX OF ONE AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS. RIGHT. IT JUST SEEMS STRANGE THAT IT WOULD DRIVE ONE TYPE OF PRODUCT. RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT WAS JUST A TYPO OR A FREUDIAN SLIP, AS THEY MIGHT SAY. DOES THE REST OF THE BOARD SEE SEE WHERE I'M COMING FROM? IS THAT NUMBER THREE YOU'RE SPEAKING OF COMMISSIONER? YES. VICE MAYOR. SO YOU'RE ASKING TO STRIKE RENTAL APARTMENTS 1000FTS OR LESS. OH, JUST JUST THE UNITS. THE SIZE IS FINE, BUT RENTAL IS MY LANGUAGE, NOT THE PRODUCT TYPE. OKAY, NUMBER THREE, THIS RIGHT HERE, ADULT RENTAL APARTMENTS SHOULD BE 3000FT■!S. AND APARTMENTS. YEAH. JUST JUST SAYING. UNITS WITH UNITS. TWO TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS. APARTMENT LESS THAN A THOUSAND. BUT THERE'S ALSO TWO BEDROOM CONDOS THAT ARE LESS THAN A THOUSAND. SO HE'S SAYING IT'S NOT JUST RENTAL, IT'S ALSO A CONDO IS ANYTHING OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT THE URBAN THE URBAN THING IS FOR RENTAL IS JUST FOR RENTALS. YEAH. I HEAR YOU, SIR. YES, SIR. OKAY. REMOVE RENTAL. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT WAS ALL. THAT WAS ALL THERE THAT I SAW THE RENTAL OR ANYTHING ELSE. ANY KIND OF UNIT. OH, SORRY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED, COMMISSIONER CLARK? YES. I STILL HAVE MY LIGHT ON SECTION. CAN'T JUST LEAVE YOUR LIGHT ON. I DID I. YES, SECTION 3.0201. SO WHERE IS THAT START? IN THE EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD CODE? YES IT DOES. I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THOSE PAGES WITH THE BLUE THING AND SO ON. SO THAT VARIANCE THAT'S ON PAGE 403 POINT OF 725 VARIANCE SECTION 8.0501. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT PAGE. PAGE 403 IT'S GOING TO BE FIGURE. ESN-3 REQUIRED BOARD PRESENTATIONS. SO IF YOU RECALL, YOUR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS ARE NO LONGER IN ALL. ANY VARIANCES ARE GOING TO BE HEARD BY YOUR LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY. THAT'S RIGHT. SO WE STRUCK OUT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. AND ALSO IT'S KIND OF REDUNDANT TO GO TO THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD AGENCY. SO IT'S JUST GOING TO THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY OKAY. SO THAT'S A REFERENCE TO THE THING THAT STRUCK OUT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. AND WE HAVE THAT OUT. SO NOW IT'LL BE A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE. WHAT ABOUT THE CRB THAT YOU HAVE THAT CHECKED. NO THAT IS ACTUALLY BEEN STRIKE THROUGH OKAY. SEE THAT'S WHY I. YES. SO THE ONLY THAT'S STRUCK THROUGH THE ONLY BOARD OR FINAL DECISION FOR ANY TYPE OF VARIANCE WOULD BE THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY FOR ANY FOR THE VARIANCES. SO THAT'S NOT CORRECT AT ALL THAT SO THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY ONLY HAS ONE THING CHECKED ON IT. THEY'RE IN THE IN THE RED WHICH IS NOT STRUCK OUT. THAT'S UNDERLINED. OR IS IT STRUCK OUT. IT'S OUT. VARIANCE IS UNDERLINED. IT'S UNDERLINED. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT ON THE SCREEN, WHICH IS THE MOST RECENT DOCUMENT THAT IS UNDERLINED. SO THAT MEANS IT STAYS. IT STAYS. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE HERE. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE. SO YEAH WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE. YES OKAY. THAT'S WHY I'M I'M GOING CAREFULLY LIKE THIS SO THAT I KNOW THAT WHAT I'M READING SO THESE BLACK CHECK MARKS ARE GOOD. THERE'S NO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, NO CRA LOCAL PEN AGENCY. AND EVERYTHING GOES IN FRONT OF THE CITY COMMISSION. 
          YES. THE ONLY THING THAT WE DID ADMINISTRATIVELY IS IF YOU DO A ZONING CHANGE. AND WE DID THIS WITH A PROJECT, PROJECT LIFT, YOU HAD TO GO DO THE PRE APP. THEN YOU HAD TO GO TO THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY. THEN YOU HAD TO GO TO THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY AND THEN YOU HAD TO HAVE TWO, TWO CITY COMMISSION READINGS. SO IT JUST IT WAS VERY REDUNDANT LANGUAGE. SO WE STRUCK OUT THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY FOR ANY ZONING CHANGES, ANY FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES, BECAUSE YOUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ACTS AS YOUR LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY IN THE CRA. 
          THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING ME, MR. MAYOR. AND I'M I'M TRYING NOT TO DIGRESS, BUT I KNOW THAT WE'RE WE'RE AT THIS EAST STEWART JUNCTURE, AND I KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOMETHING FROM MR. JAMES CHRISTIE JR, WHO TALKS ABOUT SOME KIND OF AN OVERSIGHT BOARD AND HAVING ELECTED PEOPLE TO MAKE DECISIONS SIMILAR TO LIKE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR A CDC OR SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY IN THAT VEIN. BUT SINCE WE WE'RE HERE, IT'S GOING TO BE THROUGH THE CITY COMMISSION. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THERE. MAYBE OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO 
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BE TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT SOME OF THOSE IDEAS, BUT I'M WONDERING IF THAT WAS SOME OF THE STUFF, BECAUSE I REMEMBER WE ASKED AND WE DO ASK PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME IN HERE, HAVE YOU GONE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE RESIDENTS? CAN YOU SET UP A TIME TO TALK TO THE RESIDENTS? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE AN OFFICIAL THING THAT SAYS EVERYBODY NEEDS TO GET OUT THERE AND MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE ONLY REQUIRE THEM TO SEND THE LETTERS WITHIN 300FT TO THOSE IN THE 300 FOOT RADIUS. AND ONCE THEY SEND THOSE LETTERS, THEN THEY'RE OKAY. BUT SOMETIMES WE DO ASK PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND TALK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I DON'T KNOW, I, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED ANOTHER, AT LEAST WITHOUT ANY STUDY. I'M JUST SAYING WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER OVERSIGHT BOARD. BUT I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT THIS IS THE PROCEDURE THAT WE'RE USING, AND PEOPLE JUST COME STRAIGHT TO THE COMMISSION. AND IF THE COMMISSION HAS ANY CONDITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS, THAT'S WHEN THE COMMISSION TELLS THAT PERSON WHO'S DEVELOPING IN ANY ONE OF THESE, ANY MAJOR PLAT APPLICATION, MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT OR CONDITIONAL USE OR ZONING CHANGE OR FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE, IS THAT CORRECT? MISS COOGLER? I THINK YOU'RE YOU'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT ESPN. OH THREE REQUIRED BOARD PRESENTATIONS. SO THESE ARE JUST THE BOARDS THAT ARE THAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED. THERE IS SOME LANGUAGE IN THE CREEK DISTRICT THAT DOES REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. OKAY. IN THE CREEK DISTRICT. RIGHT. SO BUT IT'S NOT IN THE STEWART. AND AS STAFF OR DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE OUR APPLICANTS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO GO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          HAVE YOU IF YOU WANT US TO ADD THAT WE CAN. BUT I THINK THEY THEY DID ASK THEY THEY WANT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY, THEY THEY SAID THAT PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS COMING INTO EAST STEWART BECAUSE THEY WERE UPSET ABOUT THE GUTTER PROJECT. AND, WELL, I SHOULDN'T CALL OTHER PEOPLE'S NAMES, BUT WHATEVER PROJECTS THEY WERE CONCERNED, THEY WERE EVEN CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANOTHER MARCHER GOING TO COME IN OR SOMETHING ELSE COMING IN? SO THEY I THINK THEY THEY WANT TO KNOW, BUT I IT'S NOT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A SECOND LEVEL OF SOMEBODY MAKING A DECISION. IT'S MORE OF AN INFORMATIVE THING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW IF SOMETHING MAJOR. BUT MR. MARTEL, WITH HISTORY, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NEVER DONE THIS, WOULD IT BE SOMETHING TO PUT A REQUIREMENT THAT IF IT'S A PUD OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S OVER A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING BOGGED DOWN, IS THERE SOMETHING, IS THERE SOME GUIDELINE THAT WE COULD USE TO SAY WHEN SOMETHING GOES TO THE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK THE SAME CRITERIA AS THE CREEK DISTRICT OKAY. USES? WHAT DOES THE CREEK DISTRICT CRITERIA MISS? ANYTHING. ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES A COMMUNITY MEETING. OKAY. SO IF A BUSINESS IS COMING IN, DEVIATION OF CODE REQUIRES A PUBLIC MEETING. OKAY. BUT THEN THAT'S THE POINT IS THAT WITH EAST STEWART NOT HAVING THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY USED TO BE ABLE TO DO BY. RIGHT. BUT IT'S NOT HAPPENING. SO IT'S LIKE EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE A DEVIATION OF CODE. THEN IT WILL ALL HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE COMMUNITY. AND I DON'T I THINK THAT WE NEED TO GO BACK ON SOME OF THOSE USES, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO IT YET AND SEE WHICH FORM OF COMMUNITY BOARD WOULD THAT BE? IT'S NOT A COMMUNITY BOARD. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING AT 10TH STREET AND LET PEOPLE JUST COME. RIGHT? RIGHT. THEY'RE COMING TO THE BOARD WAS JUST HIS SUGGESTION. BUT THAT'S LIKE LEGALLY WITH SUNSHINE AND EVERYTHING. IT'S NOT GOING TO EVEN WORK. BUT IT'S JUST THEY HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND PROVIDE A PUBLIC INPUT MEETING. OKAY. WELL, WHEN WE GET TO THE LAND USES IN EAST STEWART, I'LL DEFINITELY HAVE SOME COMMENTS AS TO SOME AREAS THAT I THINK NEED TO BE OUTRIGHT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO COME TO THE COMMISSION. THIS MOTHER MAY, I THINK AND BEG YOU, MASTER JOE, TO DO SOMETHING IS NOT MY THING. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST RACIST DOCUMENTS I'VE EVER SEEN. YES, AND ZERO EIGHT. SO I MEANT SECTION 3.02.03 AND ITS PERMITTED USES. AND THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE PULLED FROM THE OTHER. FROM CHAPTER TWO, WE ADDED ALLOWED THROUGH CITY COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS ARE MARKED WITH A BY RESOLUTION. SO IT WAS STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ONLY THING THAT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHTS WITHIN THE BMU OR THE GRO DISTRICT IS SINGLE FAMILY. THE REST WOULD REQUIRE. A PUBLIC HEARING TO THE TO THE CITY 
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COMMISSION, AND IT HAS TO BE APPROVED. THE USE WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY A RESOLUTION. AND THAT'S CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT. UNLESS IT SAID CONDITIONAL USE, THEN YOU WOULD FOLLOW THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS. MR. CLARK. SO THAT HOME OCCUPATION THAT SAYS A FULL BLACK. HAS IT CHANGED NOW? BECAUSE I HAVE IT JUST ALL BLACK ON SO HOME OCCUPATION. WHERE ARE YOU? YEAH, I'M ON TABLE SNO8 PERMITTED USES IN THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD. PAGE 409. YEAH, IT NEEDS TO HAVE A C THERE, RIGHT? YEAH. AND UNDER THE BMU THE GRO AND THE SFD THAT YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE DUPLEX ONE AS WELL TO ADD. I GUESS IT WOULD CALL IT ALLOWED OR WHATEVER. IS THERE. 
          NO. WHAT'S UNDER SFD. IT WOULD BE CONDITIONAL USE FOR DUPLEX UNDER SFD DOESN'T IT DOESN'T DUPLEX REQUIRE A HEARING. MOREOVER THAT'S BMU RIGHT. AND THEN SO THEN UNDER SFD IT'S STILL DUPLEX. SO SHOULDN'T IT BE ALLOWED. IT'S GOT TO BE IT'S NOT JUST BY STRAIGHT ZONING. IT HAS TO BE AUTHORIZED BY RESOLUTION OF THE COMMISSION. WHY IS THAT? NO, I THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY ALLOWED IN THERE. AND IT'S ONLY IN THE PMU BECAUSE YOU JUST VOTED ABOUT AN HOUR AGO TO TELL US TO MAKE DUPLEXES REQUIRE A RESOLUTION FOR APPROVAL. I'M GOING TO LET THE. I THOUGHT I'M GOING TO LET THE VICE MAYOR COME. I THOUGHT THAT WE SAID THAT STEWART WAS NOT GOING TO BE TOUCHED WHEN IT CAME TO THAT. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER CLARK, CAN WE ALLOW THE VICE MAYOR? OH, SORRY, I THOUGHT SO. TALK TO ME, JODY, CAN YOU PULL UP THE. I THINK I THINK WE SHOULD FIRST ADDRESS THIS ISSUE ON THE DUPLEX BECAUSE, COMMISSIONER CLARK, HER RECOLLECTION IS THAT EAST STEWART WAS NOT BEING ADDRESSED UNDER THAT. SO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. WHAT'S THE INTENT OF THE BOARD? THAT'S WHY I WANT TO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS REGULATING PLAN AS OKAY, THE CONTEXT FOR THAT. SO CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LARGER MAP. OKAY. SO I HAD MIKE MY INTENTION IS WHAT I SAID EARLIER TO RESTORE THIS BACK TO WHAT IT WAS BEFORE THAT 2004 MASTER PLAN UPDATE TO WHAT LOOKS MORE LIKE THE ZONING PRE 1998 OR 2004, EXACTLY WHEN THAT WAS. SO I HAD MIKE SHOOT THAT OVER AND I BELIEVE ALL OF YOU GOT THAT. AND SO. WHERE WE SEE A LOT OF THAT GREEN GROW HISTORICALLY. AND I'M GOING TO DO TWO LAYERS OF THIS. ONE IS THE HISTORIC ZONING. TWO IS WHAT IS ACTUALLY OVER THERE. AND I THINK IN THE CONTEXT OF BOTH OF THOSE, THIS MAKES SENSE. BUT HISTORICALLY WITH ZONING, YOU HAVE R3 ALL THE WAY UNTIL YOU GET TO EAST STREET, RIGHT, EAST AVENUE EAST. AND THEN EAST. WHERE IT'S ALL BMU THEY'RE EAST GOING NORTH AND THEN CUTTING TO THE LEFT IS B1. EVERYTHING OTHER THAN THAT IS R3. SO WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS 2004 UPDATE IS WILDLY DIFFERENT THAN THE HISTORIC ZONING, BECAUSE IT TAKES ONE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND I'LL GO INTO THAT IN A MINUTE. SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN R3 AND CONVERTS THEM INTO GROW. 
          AND THEN WHERE YOU HAD SOMETHING MORE LIKE GROW, I GUESS YOU COULD MAKE A CASE FOR BEING BMU. 
          IT WAS B1 WITH HOUSES INTERMIXED ON EAST. AND SO THIS IS THIS IS THE FURTHER CONTEXT IS WHEN YOU I WENT PARCEL BY PARCEL LOOKING THROUGH HERE, IF I WERE TO ZOOM IN ON TARPON RIGHT BETWEEN LAKE AND CHURCH STREET THAT GROW, THAT'S THERE THAT THOSE GREEN PARCELS, THOSE ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. CAN YOU ZOOM IN NEW HIGHLIGHT THAT JODY. SO FROM LAKE STREET TO CHURCH ON TARPON ALL OF THAT GROW THAT'S THERE. YEAH EXACTLY. ALL OF THAT IS SINGLE FAMILY HOME. IF I'M ON BAHAMA. SO JUST GO A LITTLE BIT UP. JODY. I'M SORRY, I ALMOST NEED TO WALK OVER THERE AND 
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POINT IT. BUT IF I'M ON BAHAMA, ALL THAT GROW THAT'S ABOVE SPECTRUM NEXT TO GERTRUDE WALDEN, THAT POND, THAT'S ALL. SINGLE FAMILY HOME. IT'S BEEN MADE GROW. IT'S RIGHT BETWEEN THE PURPLE AND THE GREEN. AT THE VERY TOP. RIGHT. THE LITTLE. SEE THE RIGHT THERE TO THE LEFT OF IT. TO THE LEFT. OH, OKAY. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. SINGLE FAMILY HOME, RIGHT? SO YES. 
          CURRENTLY AS IT SITS. WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE STREET? IS IT BAYOU BAHAMA? ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          THAT IS THE LOW HANGING FRUIT TO START WITH IS BOTH IN THE HISTORIC ZONING AND THE BABY. 
          AND CURRENTLY, AS THE PARCEL SITS, ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, NOT RESIDENTIAL OFFICE. AND IF WE GO TO GROW. RIGHT, WHERE'S THE SHEET FOR GROW? WHAT'S ALLOWABLE IN GROW RIGHT. 
          DUPLEXES, MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNITS, MIXED USE FAMILY DAYCARE. THAT'S FINE. HOME OCCUPATION, WHATEVER. ROOM, ROOM AND BOARDING HOUSES, BED AND BREAKFAST ENDS, ADULT DAYCARE, CHILDCARE CENTERS, WHICH THERE'S YOU GOT TWO OVER THERE, BUT NOT THERE. I NEED MORE COMMUNITY CENTERS, GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, LIBRARIES, ALFS RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS, WHICH THERE'S RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT A LOT OF THOSE USES DON'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE THERE. SO WHAT I HAD TALKED TO MIKE ABOUT IT. IT WAS A LITTLE CLUMSY. WHAT ACTUALLY ENDED UP ON HERE, WHAT I WAS DESCRIBING WAS EXPANDING THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME SFD INTO SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS, AND IT USED TO BE R3. THERE'S SO MUCH THREE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY. THEY'RE ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT TRADITIONALLY IT'S R3. SO WHAT IS THERE IS NOT R3. IT'S I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO GO BACK TO WHAT WAS THERE. I KNOW I'M SAYING THE CONTEXT OF BOTH. SO YOU HAD YOU HAD RESIDENTIAL AND THEN WHAT'S ACTUALLY THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. YEAH. SO INSTEAD OF IT BEING GROW, WHICH ALLOWS ALL THOSE OTHER USES, IT SHOULD BE TRULY CONVERTED BACK TO SFD. I SAY TRULY CONVERTED BACK TO MULTI. MULTI THEFT IS OUR CLOSEST EQUIVALENT TO THAT. R3 IS MULTIFAMILY MULTIFAMILY. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE FOR THAT IS SFD NOT GROW. OKAY. LET ME THE CLOSEST THING WE HAVE TO THAT IS THE SFD. NOW IF I MOVE OFF OF THOSE TWO THAT ARE LOW HANGING FRUIT, BESIDES A LOT OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, YOU KNOW THAT'S IN THERE ONCE YOU GET OVER TO EAST, RIGHT. IF I GO DOWN EAST. MOST OF IT IF I'M GOING SOUTH ON EAST, RIGHT. MOST OF THAT NORTHERN PART OF EAST IS EITHER VACANT OR SINGLE FAMILY HOME, OR THERE'S SOME DUPLEX UP CLOSER TO MLK. BUT BESIDES STILES AND THE DAYCARE, RIGHT AND RIGHT UP ON MLK, WHAT I'M DESCRIBING HERE, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT MESSING, YOU KNOW, TOUCHING ANYTHING UP ON MLK OR 10TH IN THE SAME WAY THAT ON 10TH STREET YOU HAVE GROW ON 10TH. I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. SAME THING TO WOULD BE WITH MLK. YOU CAN HAVE BMU OR GROW RIGHT ON
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