Feb 24, 2025 Regular City Commission Meeting

[ROLL CALL]

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OKAY. I'M CALLING TO ORDER THIS MEETING. REGULAR MEETING OF THE STUART CITY COMMISSION FOR THE 24TH OF FEBRUARY, 2025. SO ROLL CALL, PLEASE. SUSAN. MADAM CLERK, MAYOR RICH HERE, VICE MAYOR COLLINS. COMMISSIONER. CLARK HERE. COMMISSIONER GIOVI HERE. AND COMMISSIONER REED HERE. AND WE ARE FORTUNATE THIS EVENING TO HAVE FOR OUR INVOCATION IS PASTOR JAMES HART FROM THE SEWER ALLIANCE CHURCH. AND WILL YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AFTERWARDS, SIR. THANK YOU FOR . FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY. THANK YOU FOR THE RAIN. LORD, WE NEED IT AND MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCONVENIENCE, BUT LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GENEROSITY. LORD, THANK YOU FOR THIS EVENING. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AT THIS MEETING TONIGHT. LORD, WE CALL THIS AN INVOCATION. IT'S NOT TO CALL YOU HERE. YOU'RE ALREADY HERE. IT'S JUST A RECOGNIZE YOUR PRESENCE, LORD. SO I WOULD JUST PRAY FOR YOUR PRESENCE TO BE MANIFEST, THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE AND DIRECT THIS MEETING. WE ASK FOR THE PEACE OF GOD THAT PASSES OUR UNDERSTANDING TO GUARD OUR HEARTS AND MINDS TONIGHT. AND THAT GOD YOU WOULD JUST BE VERY REAL AND VERY PRESENT. LORD, THANK YOU FOR EACH ONE OF THESE ELECTED LEADERS THAT WE HAVE.

LORD, THAT YOU HAVE PUT IN PLACE. THE BIBLE SAYS THAT YOU PLACE THOSE IN AUTHORITY OVER US AND THAT WE ARE TO PRAY FOR THEM. WE ARE TO ENCOURAGE THEM AND WE'RE TO LIFT THEM UP. I PRAY FOR YOUR PROTECTION. I PRAY GOD FOR YOUR WISDOM, THAT YOUR WORD TELLS US THAT YOU WILL GIVE LIBERALLY AND WITHOUT REPROACH TO THOSE WHO ASK IN FAITH. AND SO, LORD, WE JUST RECOGNIZE ALL THESE THINGS TONIGHT AND AGAIN. LORD, JUST THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE THAT I HAVE TONIGHT TO BE ABLE TO PRAY AND WITH THIS, WITH THIS GROUP AND FOR OUR CITY GOD. AND WE GIVE YOU PRAISE IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. SO WE'RE RIGHT INTO COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER

[COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS]

RESIDENTS HAVE HAD TIME TO DIGEST THE INFORMATION AND COME TO A CONSENSUS. SO I HOPE YOUR VOICE ASKING FOR DELAY IN THIS MATTER IS HEARD. IN REGARDS TO DARCY. SO MY CONSENSUS TO THE BOARD WOULD BE IF WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS EAST STEWART LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, PARTICULARLY TO NOT TAKE ANY COMMISSION ACTION TONIGHT, BUT HAVE THE DISCUSSION AND THE ROOMS OBVIOUSLY STACKED FOR EAST STEWART RESIDENTS CURRENTLY. SO IF WE COULD PULL THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DISCUSSION TO THE FRONT, BECAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S WHERE MOST OF OUR COMMENT IS GOING TO COME FROM TONIGHT. SO THAT WOULD BE MY STATEMENT AND MY COMMENTS AS A BOARD MEMBER TONIGHT. THANK YOU. SO WHAT? SO WHEN WE GET TO THE APPROVAL, APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, WE CAN THANK YOU. CHANGE THE ORDER. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER REED. COMMISSIONER JOB. NO, I HAVE NO STATEMENT. COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES. I DON'T KNOW IF. MISS GANDHI IS HERE

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LET'S. LET'S NOT. YEAH. EACH OTHER UP HERE. OKAY. YEAH, EXACTLY. YEAH. SO WE ALL FIVE NEED TO BE THERE. THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE THERE, AND WE NEED TO HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN WHAT EAST STEWART WAS BEFORE 1998, WHERE IT WAS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN WHAT THE CHANGES WERE IN 2004 THAT MADE IT COMMERCIAL. AND WE ALL NEED TO DISCUSS WITH THE EMPHASIS BEING ON THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE GOING FORWARD. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, AS OF TODAY, LIKE I SAID, SOMEBODY COULD COME IN AND FOR THREE QUARTERS OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S ZONED SOME KIND OF COMMERCIAL. SO TONIGHT WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS TO REQUIRE A DEVELOPER OR SOMEBODY WHO WAS GOING TO BUY ONE OF THOSE PARCELS TO PUT IN AN APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE SO THAT THERE IS A PUBLIC MEETING AND THE COMMUNITY CAN BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S BEEN SAID, AND THAT WAS THE REASON FOR WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING BECAUSE OF THE GUTTER COMPANY SPECIFICALLY. THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE. AND UNTIL NOW, WHAT PEOPLE WERE NOT EVEN AWARE THAT THAT WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL WHEN WE SAY, WELL, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ZONED PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WHAT? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? HOW IS THAT ZONE? THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ZONED IN SINCE OH FOUR. SO THE ONLY WAY TO FIX THAT IS TO RESTORE THE ZONING BACK TO RESIDENTIAL. WE'LL GET INTO MORE DETAIL AS AS WE'RE HASHING THROUGH THIS. BUT JUST AS A GENERAL COMMENT, YOU KNOW, I'M I AM PERSONALLY BEYOND I ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING AT 10TH STREET WITH ALL OF US, AND I THINK YOU'D BE SURPRISED AT THE RESPONSE YOU GET FROM PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY MAY NOT WANT IT TO BE COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, BUT WE DO. WE NEED TO GO PARCEL BY PARCEL, STREET BY STREET, AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST AND WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE GOING FORWARD. SO WITH THAT, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, MR. VICE MAYOR. SO THE NUMBER 63 PLAYED A ROLE IN MY LIFE THIS WEEKEND. ON FRIDAY, I ATTENDED THE OPENING OF THE NORTH MARTIN COUNTY LITTLE LEAGUE, AND THERE WERE 63 TEAMS THAT WERE INTRODUCED JUST TO BRING THE KIDS IN FROM THE ONE BALL FIELD AND PARADE INTO THE NEXT TOOK WELL OVER AN HOUR, BUT TO SEE THAT MANY FAMILIES AND THAT MANY YOUNG CHILDREN. IT'S REALLY AMAZING HOW THE CHARACTER OF THIS COMMUNITY HAS CHANGED. AND MY WIFE AND I AND OUR CHILDREN HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 45 YEARS NOW, AND IT DIDN'T USED TO BE THAT WAY. AND IT WAS IT WAS JUST TERRIFIC TO SEE THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT AS WE MAKE DECISIONS THAT WE ARE, I THINK WE'RE BECOMING A YOUNGER COMMUNITY. AND CERTAINLY WE HAVE A LOT OF CHILDREN. THAT WE HAVE THE JOY OF BEING ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF AND EDUCATE. SO I WAS VERY, VERY HAPPY TO BE THAT, TO BE THERE. THE NUMBER 63 CAME INTO PLAY ON WEDNESDAY WHEN I DID HAVE THAT COME TALK WITH THE MAYOR. AND IS MISS WILEY HERE IS MISS WILEY. I DON'T SEE MISS WILEY IN THE ROOM. OKAY, I THINK I I'M PRETTY SURE YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD THIS OVER ME FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, BECAUSE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED, I SAID, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE TWO OF THESE TABLES AWAY BECAUSE NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SHOW UP MOST. I'VE GONE TO MANY, MANY MEETINGS, NOT JUST AS A COMMISSIONER OR LPA, BUT IN MANY CAPACITIES. DURING MY TIME HERE. AND MOST MEETINGS ARE ABOUT BETWEEN 5 AND 10 PEOPLE. SO I WAS, I WAS I JUST HANDED THAT FLIER OUT. I WAS A GUEST AT

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[COMMENTS BY CITY MANAGER]

[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

AND SO JUST TAKE THAT OKAY. YOU'RE SAYING THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE HAVE SECTIONS TWO, SECTIONS THREE, FIVE, SIX AND EIGHT. YES. SO WE WOULD HEAR THREE FIRST THREE AND THEN TWO FIVE. WITHOUT OBJECTION. YES. COMMISSIONER READ. IS THAT OKAY? WELL, WHEN YOU SAY SECTION THREE, WERE WE DISCUSSING ANYTHING IN SECTION THREE BESIDES SECTION 3.0200? THAT'S SPECIFIC TO MAKE LIFE EASY FOR EVERYTHING IN CHAPTER THREE.

EVERYTHING IN CHAPTER THREE. BUT IN THE CHAPTER THREE, SECTION THREE IS PRIMARILY THE OVERLAY.

YEAH, IT'S NOT WRONG. HE'S CORRECT. IT'S THE URBAN CODE IS ACTUALLY THE SPECIAL ZONING CODE. SO IT'S THERE'S. OKAY. OKAY. ARE WE CLEAR? I THINK STAFF SHOULD READ. IS THAT OKAY? YEAH. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. OKAY. SO I HAVE A MOTION. DID WE GET A SECOND? IF NOT, I'LL SECOND BELIEVE WE'VE HAD A MOTION. HAVE WE HAD A MOTION? AND I THOUGHT THAT I THOUGHT THAT THE VICE MAYOR SECONDED IT. DID YOU? YOU SAID IT, MAYOR. SECONDED. JUST NOW. BUT HOLD ON. YOU YOU MADE THE. INITIALLY. YOU MADE THE MOTION. OKAY? I MADE CLERK MADE THE MOTION. COMMISSIONERS MOTION. OH, YOU MADE A MOTION. IS YOUR MOTION OR COMMISSIONER? CLERK? I MADE A MOTION. OKAY.

THEN I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. YES. OKAY. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT WITH REGARD TO THE ORDER IN WHICH WE WILL HEAR CONDUCT THE MEETING THIS EVENING? SEE? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR? HI.

[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (Non-Agenda Related) (3 Minutes Max.)]

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BUT SOME OF YOU, WE KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU DISRESPECTFUL TO US, TO MRS. HAMILTON, TO MYSELF. AND I WANT TO URGE YOU, IT ONLY TAKES 3000 TO UNSEAT YOU. YOU NEED TO LEARN RESPECT FOR THE OTHERS THAT ARE SITTING THERE. I APPRECIATE THE RESPECT YOU HAVE SHOWN MY WIFE. I APPRECIATE THE RESPECT. SOME OF YOU WHO'S AN ATTORNEY, WHO KNOWS MY CAREER IN THIS TOWN, IT'S UNBLEMISHED UNIMPEACHED. NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CHURCH FOR A MINUTE. THE LIES THAT WERE TOLD ABOUT ME AND MY WIFE ARE WELL DOCUMENTED. THERE'S A DOCUMENTARY COMING OUT, PRODUCED BY MY WIFE AND MYSELF. ALL THE DOCUMENTS, ALL THE LIES. I WANT TO THANK THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. I APPRECIATE THE STATE HISTORICAL PEOPLE, WHICH IS NOT A PROGRAM. IT'S PART OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THE LIES HAVE BEEN SO IMMENSE ABOUT OUR CHARACTER. THE STUFF THAT'S GONE ON BEHIND OUR BACK. I COULDN'T GET THE DOCUMENTS IN THE CITY, BUT THE GOVERNMENT, THE REAL GOVERNMENT TURNED THEM OVER. THAT'S A PROBLEM. LIKE I'VE SAID IN THE PAST, THIS IS A CORPORATION. YOU WOULD TERMINATE THESE PEOPLE. YOU HAVE A CITY MANAGER THAT NEEDS TO BE TERMINATED FOR WHAT HE DID TO ME AND TO MY WIFE. I DON'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY. A SNAFU OF THIS MAGNITUDE CANNOT GO UNCHECKED OR UNBALANCED. THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME IN THIS ROOM, THEY'RE THE CONSTITUENTS. THEY'RE ALSO VICTIMS IN THEIR OWN WAY, ON THEIR OWN FIGHTS. BUT IT'S COSTING EVERYBODY MONEY. I URGE EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT.

THE GOVERNOR SPOKE TODAY. I URGE YOU TO WATCH WHAT THE GOVERNOR SAID. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF CHANGES COMING IN FLORIDA. WE NEED TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES. I DON'T EVER AGAIN WANT ANYBODY IN HERE DISRESPECTING MY WIFE OR MYSELF. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM HAVING AN ARGUMENT WITH YOU OR YOU OR YOU OR YOU BECAUSE YOU'VE ALL BEEN RESPECTFUL. BUT WHEN A CITY MANAGER DID THE THINGS THAT HE DID TO MY WIFE AND TO MYSELF AND FOR WHAT? WHAT WAS IT DONE FOR? WHAT WAS THE GAIN? TO SLANDER OUR NAME. TELL ME. I THREATENED CITY OFFICIALS. I NEVER THREATENED THE CITY OFFICIAL. NOT ONE TIME. AND IF I DID, I'D GO WITH THE CHIEF RIGHT NOW. I'LL VOLUNTEER TO GO. I NEVER THREATENED ANYBODY. HE DIDN'T LIKE WHAT WAS PUT ON FACEBOOK. WELL, THAT'S HIS PROBLEM. HE'S A PUBLIC OFFICIAL. WHEN YOU TAKE THAT JOB, YOU WORK FOR US. IF WE DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU DO, YOU'RE GONE. AND I KNOW ONE OF YOU IS NOT GOING TO GET A SEAT BACK. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY MAD AT YOU RIGHT NOW. YOU HURT PEOPLE. YOU HURT ME. YOU HURT MY FAMILY. YOU HURT PEOPLE BEHIND ME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. REMOVE THE MANAGER, AUDRA CREECH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD. TALKING ABOUT YOU. HI, I'M AUDRA CREECH. FOURTH GENERATION MARTIN COUNTY.

SEVENTH GENERATION FLORIDIAN. MY PARENTS GREW UP WELL. MY DAD GREW UP IN HOBE SOUND. I WAS NOT GOING TO SPEAK TODAY, BUT MR. SMITH, WHO IS A FAMILY FRIEND, ASKED ME TO. I WAS HERE JUST TO OBSERVE. IT'S ACTUALLY MY BIRTHDAY TODAY, SO I WAS HERE TO THANK YOU. I WAS ACTUALLY HERE TO OBSERVE BECAUSE I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT. BECAUSE I HAVE SOME BACKGROUND WITH THE CITY OF STUART AND THIS AREA IN MARTIN COUNTY, AND THERE ARE SOME IMPORTANT THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP FOR SECOND READING, OBVIOUSLY, AS TO STUART, AND I APPLAUD EVERYBODY FOR TAKING A MINUTE, AS I THINK WAS NOTED IN THE COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS TO TAKE A STEP BACK ON THIS.

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I'M NOT GOING TO STATE A POSITION BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY AREA. IT'S NOT MY PART OF TOWN.

ONE OF THE FIRST STORIES I EVER HEARD ABOUT EAST STUART WAS MY FATHER TALKING ABOUT HOW HE CAME HOME FROM SCHOOL WITH A BUNCH OF EAST STUART RESIDENTS, AND HE CAME OVER TO SPEND TIME WITH THEM. HE WAS, YOU KNOW, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND ONE OF THE MATRIARCHS OF EAST STUART, SITTING ON THE PORCH, ASKED, WHAT'S YOUR NAME, BOY? HE'S LIKE, MA'AM, I'M. I'M RICK CREECH. RICKY CREECH. SHE'S YOUR MOM. ADELE. MY GRANDMOTHER'S NAME? DALE. YES, MA'AM. YOU'RE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU BEHAVE. OTHERWISE, I'LL CALL YOUR GRANDMOTHER. THAT IS EAST STUART. THAT IS THEIR TOWN. SO YOU YOU WALK UP INTO STUART. YOU ARE. YOU ARE IN EAST STUART.

THIS THIS IS THEIRS. SO I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT BEFORE WE GO CHANGING EVERYTHING, EVEN THOUGH, YES, IT MIGHT NEED TO BE CHANGED, WE GET THEM INVOLVED A LOT MORE. WELL, I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK BECAUSE THIS IS NOT MY AREA. IT'S THEIRS. IT JUST IS. IT'S ALWAYS. IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

BUT IT HAS HAD ITS AREAS OF COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT CROSS THE TRACKS AFTER CERTAIN TIMES AT NIGHT. IT WAS SEGREGATED. THEY HAD TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT. MY FAMILY WAS HERE PRIOR TO DESEGREGATION. MY FAMILY WAS HERE AFTER DESEGREGATION. WE SAW THE WHOLE THING. UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS A KNOCK OUT DRAG OUT AT TIMES. AS MUCH AS WE HATE TO REMEMBER THOSE DAYS, IT IT HAPPENED. SO TO SAY THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL IN EAST STUART IS NOT CORRECT. OR IT SHOULDN'T BE CORRECT, BUT TO SAY THAT IT SHOULD BE ALL COMMERCIAL AGAIN, NOT CORRECT.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST, AS HAS BEEN STATED, AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR RETHINKING THIS, THAT YOU GO BACK TO THE ACTUAL PEOPLE INVOLVED AND YOU SHOW THEM NOT ONLY THE 2004 CHANGES, NOT ONLY WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE, PRIOR TO 1968, PRIOR TO DESEGREGATION, BUT ALSO THE PERMITTED USE TABLES FOR EAST STUART AS PROPOSED, AND THE EAST DISTRICT PERMITTED USE TABLE. DO NOT FORGET THE PERMITTED USE TABLE. SORRY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

JIMMY SMITH. JIMMY SMITH. MR. SMITH, YOU YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REMARK ON THE EAST, STUART? NO, I JUST WANT TO JUST SAY. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO JUST SAY JUST TALK ABOUT A LITTLE HISTORY. FIRST ONE WILL GIVE YOU CAN GIVE YOU ALL SEEING SOME VISIONS TOGETHER, AGREEING TO SOME THINGS TOGETHER. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO SAY ALL THESE FAMILIES. I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOU STILL, BUT NOT THAT PROJECT, OKAY? I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT HISTORY IS SO IMPORTANT. WITHOUT HISTORY, WE WOULDN'T KNOW WHICH WAY TO GO FORWARD. MY. MY PARENTS ALWAYS SAID, SONNY, IF YOU FORGET WHERE YOU STARTED FROM, YOU'LL FORGET WHERE YOU'RE GOING. AND SO THE HISTORY OF STUART, THE CITY OF STUART, ARE REALLY MADE UP BY THIS COMMUNITY. IF YOU LOOK BACK YEARS AGO, AS YOU SPEAK, OF 6 TO 8, BACK IN THOSE DAYS, THE CITY OF STUART, THE GARBAGE DEPARTMENT, THE ROADS, THE ALL THAT A LOT OF OUR FOREFATHERS HAD WORKED THERE AND THEY WERE PICKING GARBAGE UP, PICKING UP GARBAGE WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE TRUCKS TO PICK IT UP. THEY THEY NOW HAVE THAT STUFF TO DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY. AND OUR PARENTS HAVE WORKED HARD TO MAKE THE CITY TO BECOME WHAT IT IS. AND I REMEMBER AS A LITTLE BOY AT THAT TIME, I'M QUITE SURE SOME OF THEM, THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE HAD TO OPERATE BY SCHOOL. SCHOOL CLOSING AND STUFF. WE WANTED WANT THE CITY TO KNOW THAT WE ARE A PART OF THIS CITY, AND THESE FAMILIES ARE ONLY COMING BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE RESPECTED AS A PART OF THIS CITY. AND YOU ARE YOU, COMMISSIONER, YOU HAVE REALLY SHOWED US TONIGHT THAT Y'ALL CAN WORK TOGETHER. AND I AM GOING TO COMMEND YOU ON THAT. I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE CAN PUT ASIDE OUR DIFFERENCES AND FILL THE GAP THAT OTHERS HAVE BEEN MISSING OUT IN THIS GAP, AND TODAY WE CAN GO FORWARD AND TRY TO WORK TOGETHER TO HELP THIS COMMUNITY.

ALL OTHER CITIES SHOULD BECOME ONE BECAUSE WITHOUT US OR WITHOUT YOU, WE NOT ONE. AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO SAY TODAY LET'S WE CAN UTILIZE THE THIRD THURSDAY OF THIS MONTH. I HAVE A RESERVATION. YOU WANT TO DO ANY WORK? WE CAN UTILIZE THE THIRD THURSDAY OF THIS MONTH AT THE

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALBERT BRINKLEY. YOU WANT TO WAIT? SO, FRANKLY, I MIGHT SAY THIS WRONG.

I SAW MISTER BRINKLEY EARLIER. HE SAID HE'D LIKE TO PASS. HE'S GOING TO WAIT FOR THE ZIP ITEM.

OH, OKAY. WAIT. YVETTE. WRIGHT. OKAY. WHO WAS THAT, MADAM? OH, OKAY. COULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE? YES. HELLO. MY NAME IS DOCTOR YVETTE HUERTA, AND I LIVE AT 100 SOUTHWEST ATLANTA AVENUE, STUART, FLORIDA. HAVE LIVED THERE SINCE 2001. AND I'M HERE TO JUST SPEAK OF THE FLOODING THAT WE'RE HAVING DOWN ON SOUTHWEST ANCHORAGE WAY, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY WHICH IS THE ROAD RIGHT NEXT TO US. WE OWN THE WHOLE CORNER. WE'RE IN A MIXED COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL. WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL APARTMENTS AND ONE COMMERCIAL DOWN ANCHORAGE WAY. WE SPOKE LAST YEAR ASKING REQUESTING FOR SURFACE DRAINS AND FOR THE SEWERS TO BE LOOKED AT BECAUSE OF THE SEVERE FLOODING THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED OVER THE PAST 12 YEARS SINCE THE MARINA WAS BUILT. AND GILBERT WAS PUT IN. THE FIRST PICTURE THAT YOU SEE IS THE WAY IT USED TO BE. THIS WAS WEST FIRST STREET, AND I'M SURE MANY PEOPLE REMEMBER FROM THE OLD COMMUNITY. WEST FIRST STREET WAS THE STREET THE KIDS USED TO RIDE DOWN AND JUMP OFF THE END OF THE CITY PIER AFTER SCHOOL. IT WAS IT WAS VERY IT WAS IT WAS A VERY NICE AREA. AND THE DRAINAGE FROM THE FROM THE WATER, FROM THE RAIN AND THE STREETS AND EVERYTHING WOULD THE SURFACE WATER WOULD COME OFF AND JUST GO DOWN INTO THE RIVER. WHEN THEY PUT GILBERT'S UP, THEY BUILT ON THE SECOND PICTURE. YOU'LL SEE THEY PUT A TEN INCH CURB ACROSS THE AT THE END OF THE STREET, THEREBY BLOCKING THE WATER OFF, STATING THAT THE SEWER THAT'S THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM. WELL IT DOESN'T. LAST YEAR, WE FOUND OUT THAT THERE IS A PLAN WITH CAP TECH TO PUT IT BACK FLOW METER INTO THAT SEWER. THEY CAN'T CLEAN IT. THEY CAN'T GET A TRUCK TO IT. THERE'S NO BACKFLOW VALVE. AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET ANYBODY TO TAKE THIS ON AND TELL US WHERE DO WE GO NEXT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT HAS HAPPENED? IT'S A PUBLIC ART AREA. NOW IT'S STILL PUBLIC, PART OF THE STREET, AND PEOPLE USE IT TO SIT. THE THIRD PICTURE SHOWS THEY JUST REDID THE BOARDWALK, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE OUT CHART WHERE THE OUT LET WHICH IS NORMALLY HALF UNDER ON ON HIGH TIDE IS COMPLETELY BLOCKED. SO NOW IT'S COMPLETELY BLOCKED. AND WE TALKED TO THEM WHEN THEY WERE REDOING THIS IN OCTOBER AND NOBODY WOULD TALK TO US ABOUT IT. AND WE'RE LIKE, WHERE IS THE DISCHARGE FOR THIS STREET? CONSEQUENTLY WE HAVE FLOODING ON ATLANTA AVENUE AS WELL IN FRONT OF CASA BELLA. THE FOURTH PICTURE IS JUST A PICTURE OF OUR 1920 RENTALS THAT ARE DOWN AT THE END OF THE STREET, WHERE THE FOUNDATIONS ARE BEING WASHED OUT OF BECAUSE OF THE WATER THAT'S COMING THROUGH TO THE POINT WHERE I ACTUALLY HAD TO PUT EXHAUST VALVES IN MY SEAWALL. THE THIRD, THE FIFTH PICTURE IS A PICTURE OF A NEW DEVELOPMENT. I THINK IT'S SAILFISH THAT'S RIGHT ON THE WALKWAY. AND THAT WAS WHAT OUR VENT USED TO LOOK LIKE. WHEN THEY FIRST PUT IT IN. AND THERE'S NO DISCHARGE NOW ON THE STREET, NO BACKFLOW METER WAS EVER PUT IN AND THERE'S NO ACCOMMODATION FOR THE SURFACE WATER TO COME OVER. SO AND THEN THE THIRD PIC, THE LAST PICTURE IS JUST A SMALL PICTURE IN FRONT OF CITY HALL OF A SMALL SURFACE DRAIN THAT THEY PUT TO TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF OF THE DELUGE OF THE WATER. SO THAT'S WHAT WE ASKED FOR. WE ASKED FOR THE BACKFLOW METER, WE ASKED FOR DISCHARGE, AND WE ASKED FOR A SURFACE DRAIN CUT ON THE CURB TO GO OUT WITH. SO AND THERE WON'T BE ANY GARBAGE OR ANYTHING GOING DOWN THERE BECAUSE THERE'S A GREAT. SO IF WE COULD JUST HAVE ONE PERSON THAT WE COULD HAVE A CONTACT WITH. SO WE COULD ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE WE'VE LOST THREE CARS AT THE END OF THE STREET BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING. THERE'S BEEN THREE CARS LOST.

SAM'S CAR. WHAT DO YOU MEAN, LOST? FLOODED. COMPLETELY FLOODED. THAT'S HOW BAD IT GETS.

THEY ACTUALLY FLOOD. HE LOST HIS MERCEDES. MY TWO RENTERS LOST TWO CARS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO YOUR YOUR CONCERNS ARE NOTED AND CONCERNS ARE NOTED. WE'LL HAVE OUR ACTING CITY MANAGER

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH. SORRY TO GO OVER. NO, THANK YOU FOR COMING. MADAM CLERK. MARGARET BRUMFIELD. GOOD EVENING. MARGARET BRUMFIELD, 1201 SOUTHEAST CENTER LANE. I HAVE WE ARE LIVING IN UNPRECEDENTED TIMES, AND I HAVE SOMETHING TO SHARE THAT I WANT OUR LEADERS AND OUR COMMUNITY TO JUST PONDER FOR A MINUTE. THE LATE PRESIDENT OF UGANDA, IDI AMIN, WANTED TO CHANGE THE NAME OF UGANDA TO IDI. EVERYBODY IN THE CABINET AGREED BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID OF HIM. BUT THERE WAS ONE MAN WHO SAID, IDI AMIN, YOUR EXCELLENCY, DO YOU KNOW A COUNTRY CALLED CYPRUS? IDI AMIN SAID TO HIM, WHAT DOES CYPRUS HAVE TO DO WITH CHANGING UGANDA TO IDI? MALIYAMUNGU REPLIED, CITIZENS OF CYPRUS ARE CALLED CYPRIOTS. IF WE CHANGE THE NAME OF UGANDA TO EDDIE, THE UGANDANS WILL BE CALLED IDIOTS AND THE WORLD WILL CALL US IDIOTS, WHICH WE ARE NOT. IDIOT. MEAN LOOKED AT HIM AND SAID, YOU AND I ARE THE MOST INTELLIGENT MEN IN THIS CABINET. HERE ARE THE MORAL LESSONS, THE POWER OF COURAGE TO SPEAK TRUTH. REMEMBER, MALIYAMUNGU WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO STOOD UP AND SPOKE. NUMBER TWO WISDOM OVER FEAR. FEAR. WHILE OTHERS OF THE CABINET AGREED. OUT OF FEAR, THIS MAN SPOKE UP. NUMBER THREE THE VOICE. ONE VOICE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. NUMBER FOUR DICTATORSHIP. DICTATORSHIP THRIVES ON SILENCE. I WILL SAY THAT AGAIN. DICTATORSHIP THRIVES ON SILENCE. EVIL PREVAILS WHEN GOOD PEOPLE REFUSE TO ACT. NUMBER FIVE, LEADERS NEED HONEST ADVISORS, EVEN WHEN IT'S HARD TO HEAR IF A LEADER SURROUNDED BY FEARFUL FOLLOWERS WILL MAKE POOR DECISION. GOOD LEADERS REQUIRE ADVISORS WHO ARE WILLING TO SPEAK THE TRUTH, NO MATTER HOW UNCOMFORTABLE. AND NUMBER SIX, NAME AND IDENTITY MATTERS. NAME AND IDENTITY MATTERS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MISS BRUMFIELD. BETTY BRINKLEY. GOOD. GOOD EVENING, MISS BRINKLEY. GOOD EVENING.

THANK GOD FOR JESUS. IT'S ONE FOR JESUS. WE'LL BE BETTER OR WORSE OFF THAN WHAT WE ARE. AND THANK GOD FOR WATCHING OVER EASTWOOD. LORD, I THANK YOU. THANK YOU, GOD, FOR KEEPING US.

BECAUSE FOR YEARS, YEARS GO. YOU JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF. PLEASE, WITH YOUR ADDRESS. BEG YOUR PARDON? JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE. OH MY BAD. BETTY. BETTY BRINKLEY, 945 SOUTHEAST NASSAU AVENUE. THANK YOU. I GOT EXCITED OVER. JESUS. THANK YOU. JESUS. DON'T STOP.

BUT ANYWAY, WE HAVE ISSUES WITH THIS BIGGEST ONE WITH THE ZONING. BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE MINOR. I'M TALKING ABOUT MY CHILDREN AND ELEMENTARY KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL IN THE MORNING, CROSSING OVER 10TH STREET AND ALL THIS TRAFFIC. AND YOU HAVE THE BIG OLD THING WITH THE BIG OLD TRAILERS AND CARS COMING THROUGH THERE, KIDS STANDING AT THE CROSSWALK. THESE CARS ARE NOT STOPPING FOR THESE KIDS. THEY DUCKING IN FRONT OF CARS. I SAY MAKE THAT THE DON'T MAKE THAT A THROUGH STREET. YOU KNOW DO MARTIN LUTHER KING. ANYBODY CROSSING OVER REALLY THAT MUCH OVER THERE TO GET OVER THERE? THERE'S A BUNCH OF KIDS CROSSING OVER THERE. EVERY YEAR. AND INSTEAD OF MAKING IT THROUGH, CUT IT OFF AND HAVE THEM GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. THERE'S TOO MANY CARS AND THE KIDS. IT'S BY THE GRACE OF GOD, THEY HAVEN'T GOT HIT YET. AND I PRAY THAT THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY SOME OF THEM COME THROUGH THERE REALLY FAST THERE. AND ANOTHER THING. ABOUT THAT CRA MONEY. WHY ARE WE EXEMPT FROM THAT? I MEAN, ALLEGEDLY SOMEBODY WAS RUMORED

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BEAUTIFYING THE HOMES, THE LAWNS THAT THE PEOPLE GOT OVER THAT, THAT THING. YOU CAN GIVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BUSINESS DOWNTOWN, BUT WE CAN'T GET NONE OF THAT. AND I DID ASK ONE YEAR ABOUT MAYBE FIVE YEARS AGO, SHE SAID, Y'ALL GIVE YOU FOR MY LAWN, FOR MY YARD IS A MESS AND I HATE IT. IT'S A MESS, BUT I CAN'T AFFORD TO WATER MY WATER. BILL IS SO HIGH AND I DON'T USE THAT. AND THEN YOU GOT SAND. THEY COME OVER. EVERY HOUSE STOOD. THEY DIDN'T BRING DIRT.

THEY BRING SAND OVER THERE. AND IT'S HARD TO WATER. SAND SO IT DON'T SOAK IN. SO I WANT TO DO MY LAWN. I ASKED HER ABOUT THE MONEY. SHE SAID, GIVE ME 200. 200. I SAID, WHAT IN THE HECK IS $200 GOING TO DO? OUT OF 5000, WHATEVER. BUT YOU GOT THE MONEY. BUT WE DON'T. WE? WE DON'T SEE IT. AND. THAT LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. BUT ANYWAY, WE NEED TO DO BETTER BY EASTWOOD. AND WHATEVER YOU PUT IN EASTWOOD. SOME OF Y'ALL I THANK GOD FOR SOME OF YOU. AND THEN FOR THE ONES THAT DON'T, I PRAY FOR YOU. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? CUZ YOU NEED PRAYER. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT'S SAD. SEE, JESUS TOOK CARE OF THE POOR PEOPLE. JESUS DIDN'T DOWN THE POOR PEOPLE. JESUS TOOK CARE. HE WAS FOR THE POOR, THE RICH. HE DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT THE RICH. HE DIDN'T SAY THAT YOU COULDN'T HAVE RICH AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT HE WAS FOR THE POOR PEOPLE AND LOOK LIKE Y'ALL AGAINST US. NOT ALL OF YOU. BUT ANYWAY, THERE WAS A FEW THINGS THAT THAT. 10TH STREET TO TRAFFIC IS TOO MUCH, AND THAT'S THE MAIN THING. AND THAT'S THE MONEY.

BRING SOME OVER. THANK YOU, MISS BRINKLEY. ACTUALLY, THE ISSUE OF THE CHILDREN'S SAFETY GOING TO SCHOOL AND RETURNING FROM SCHOOL WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING, AND IT IS I THINK IT'S ON THE AGENDA. MISTER BAGGETT, FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH. IS THAT CORRECT? WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT I DON'T RECALL. YEAH. I WASN'T THAT YOU REMEMBER? YEAH. SO THAT IS ON THE AGENDA. AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THE PARENTS WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA WILL BE HERE TO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS, BECAUSE IT IS AN ISSUE, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIND A SUCCESSFUL RESOLUTION. THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE A COUNTY ROAD THERE AND A CITY ROAD. SO IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE. MISTER MORTEL FROM HIS VACATION, JUST TEXT ME THAT WE HAVE A D AND D SET FOR MARCH 10TH. CORRECT? SO WE ARE AWARE OF THE ISSUE AND MIGHT GO VACATION. STOP WATCHING THIS MEETING. YES. OKAY. MADAM CLERK ALTHEA STOUDEMIRE. GOOD EVENING, MISS WILEY. GOOD EVENING. OF COURSE. ALTHEA, 1724 SOUTHEAST DIAMOND TRACE. I STOPPED COMING FOR A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT WAS A LOT OF RIGAMAROLE. SO A LOT OF DIVISION. AND ONE THING THAT ON MY PLATFORM, ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STRONGER TOGETHER. WE ARE STRONGER TOGETHER. AND YOU ALL ARE LEADERS. YOU ARE LEADERS.

YOU ARE LEADERS. YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME VISION. YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME IDEA. BUT YOU'RE A LEADERS. AND IT'S KIND OF DISHEARTENING. A LOT OF TIMES WHAT I SEE, IF IT AIN'T YOU GOING AGAINST THE CITY, I MEAN, THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY GOING AGAINST YOU, AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE RESIDENTS TO BE UNIFIED? IF YOU'RE NOT UNIFIED, YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE. BUT YOU GOTTA SHOW SOME TYPE OF UNITY BECAUSE HOW THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW AND TRUST YOU. HOW? WE'RE STRONGER TOGETHER. YOU GUYS CAN BECOME STRONGER TOGETHER BECAUSE IF YOU'RE DIVIDED, THE COMMUNITY WILL STAY DIVIDED. SO YOU HAVE TO BECOME UNIFIED. YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE ON EVERYTHING, BUT YOU DO HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS YOU TO REALLY PUT THEIR NEEDS BEFORE YOURS. OKAY? I LOVE Y'ALL. THANK YOU. ROSA STOUDEMIRE. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ROSA STOUDEMIRE. I LIVE IN OFF OF 9188 MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR

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I WITNESSED MYSELF ABOUT THE SCHOOL KIDS GETTING OUT OF HER. THE SCHOOL ON JD PARKER. BUT IT WASN'T JD PARKER. IT WAS THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND I WATCHED THEM AS THEY WAS COMING HOME. IT WAS ABOUT SEVEN KIDS GOING FROM J. THE MIDDLE SCHOOL TO WARDS PALM BEACH ROAD OFF OF MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD. SO I WENT AND STOOD ON THE CORNER TO SEE WHERE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO CROSS. NO, THEY WERE NOT. IT WAS CARS COMING RAPIDLY TOWARDS THE KID. AND I SAID, THIS IS NOT GOOD. SO I ALMOST TOOK MY OWN VEHICLE OUT THERE TO STOP SO THE KIDS CAN GET ACROSS THE ROAD. IT TOOK ABOUT 30 MINUTES FOR THOSE KIDS TO CROSS OVER BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET OVER THERE. SO I WENT AND I TALKED TO THE CROSSING GUARD AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. HE TOLD ME, HE SAYS IT'S BEEN ABOUT THREE PEOPLE ALREADY THAT SAID THE SAME THING. HE SAID, WELL, MY SUPERVISOR, SHE'S RIGHT DOWN THERE BY THE SCHOOL. GO AND TALK WITH HER. WHEN I GOT THERE, SHE WAS NOT THERE. SO I WENT TO THE SCHOOL. I TALKED WITH THE PRINCIPAL, THREE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WAS WITH THE PRINCIPAL. I TALKED WITH THEM AS WELL. THE PRINCIPAL GAVE ME HIS INFORMATION TO CALL A NUMBER. SO BY THAT TIME, THE OFFICER, MARTIN COUNTY OFFICER, CAME UP.

AS WE WERE TALKING, HE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. SO I TOLD HIM. HE IMMEDIATELY GAVE ME HIS CARD, TOLD ME TO CALL THIS NUMBER AND GO TO THE POLICE STATION AND TALK TO SHINE, WHICH I CALL SHINE ON THE PHONE. I COULD NOT GET HIM. I LEFT A MESSAGE. SHINE NEVER RETURNED MY CALL. SO THE THING THAT I'M SAYING, I HAD KIDS, I HAVE GRANDKIDS, BUT I LOVE OTHER PEOPLE. KIDS. SO MY THING OF IT IS, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP UNTIL I GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF.

BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I LEFT THIS SAME MESSAGE ON THE PHONE FOR SHINE AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PEOPLE. I SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T TAKE CARE OF THIS PROBLEM, SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET HURT. MOST OF ALL, THEY'RE GOING TO BE DEAD. AND I'M GOING TO STAND BEFORE YOU LIKE I'M STANDING NOW, AND I'M GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH. I'M NOT GOING TO LIE BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE EITHER, JUST LIKE THEY HAVE OFF OF PALM BEACH ROAD AND 10TH STREET. THEY SHOULD HAVE THE SAME THING WHERE THOSE KIDS CAN PUNCH, PUSH THAT BUTTON AND GET ACROSS THAT STREET. OR THEY SHOULD HAVE A CROSSING GUARD SO THEY CAN GET BY. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. IT'S NOT ASKING FOR TOO MUCH TO SAVE THESE KIDS LIVES. MISTER MAYOR. MAYOR. CERTAINLY, MR. ATKINS, CITY MANAGER. MISS STOTTLEMYRE, CAN YOU TELL ME WHEN YOU CONTACTED LIEUTENANT SHEA, HOW LONG AGO THAT WAS? IT'S GOING ON ABOUT A MONTH NOW. OKAY. I WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT. YOU. YOU'LL HAVE A PHONE CALL TOMORROW. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JOB? YES. THANK YOU. HI, EVERYONE. I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PODIUM, AND IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING. AND MANY OF YOU ARE HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME OR HAVEN'T BEEN HERE VERY OFTEN. AND THAT'S VERY FRUSTRATING BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT US AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT WHEN I STOOD THERE, I WANTED SOME INTERACTION. I WANTED SOME ANSWERS. WE REALLY CAN'T GIVE THOSE. I'M TOLD I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO INTERACT, BUT WHAT I AM TOLD THAT YOU CAN DO IS THAT YOU CAN EMAIL MYSELF. ANY ONE OF US.

LEAVE YOUR NAME WITH THE CLERK AND SHE WILL LET US KNOW YOUR NAME AND YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION. AND WHATEVER YOUR ISSUE IS, WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU AND CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION MORE THAN THREE MINUTES. SO I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO BE AWARE OF THAT AND PLEASE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. THANK YOU. MADAM CLERK. JAMIE WILSON. JAMIE DOBB THREE DOT. THAT'S RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO. MY NAME IS JIMMY WILSON. 801 TARPON. THIS IS HOW I WANTED TO COME UP HERE BECAUSE

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SOME OF THEM WENT OFF TO SCHOOL, BECAME TEACHERS, AND GOT SO MANY DEGREES. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK ME, WELL, JIMMY, WHAT ORGANIZATIONS DO YOU BELONG TO? SO SINCE I DON'T BELONG TO AN ORGANIZATION, SOME SAY I DON'T COUNT. SO I'M UP HERE SPEAKING FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T GUESS WHO THEY IS. THOSE KIDS GREW UP, LIKE I SAID, WENT TO SCHOOL. THOSE KIDS GOT A HIGHER EDUCATION JUST LIKE ANYBODY WHO GOT THOSE JOBS. BUT WHEN THEY CAME BACK HERE AND ALL THOSE JOBS OPENED UP IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY WEREN'T THE ONE GETTING THEM. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M REALLY MAD ABOUT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I GREW UP ON. ALL THOSE JOBS HAD PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY I KNEW, JUST LIKE THE LADY CAME UP AND SAID BY HER GRANDFATHER. DON'T MAKE ME CALL YOU GRANDMA. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WAS OVER ME. THOSE IN THOSE POSITIONS, FOR SOME REASON, EVERY TIME SOMETHING GET BUILT IN THE CITY OF EAST STUART, YOU GIVING THESE JOBS TO EVERYBODY BUT THE PEOPLE FROM THAT COMMUNITY WHO DID GO TO SCHOOL AND DO HAVE THE DEGREE MAY NOT BE ME, BUT BELIEVE ME, YOU ASK ME, I CAN POINT THEM RIGHT TO YOU. AND THEY WAS NEVER GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY. THEY WORKING UNDER SOMEBODY AND THEY'RE MORE QUALIFIED FOR. YEAH. SO EVERYTHING I DID TO GET THESE PEOPLE TO WHERE THEY AT THE CITY OF STUART TOLD THEM THEY AIN'T GETTING THOSE JOBS.

AND THAT'S WHY I CAME UP HERE EMBARRASSED. WHAT AM I DOING IT FOR? IF Y'ALL GOING TO DO WHAT Y'ALL DO, SORRY. CHARLES JONES. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. I DON'T KNOW HOW I FOLLOW THAT, BUT I WILL STATE MY TRUTH. COULD YOU JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE? I'M CHARLES JONES. MY ADDRESS IS 1802 SOUTHEAST STREET, PORT SAINT LUCIE. SO I GREW UP IN EAST STUART. SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW EAST STUART HAS A RICH CULTURAL HISTORY. STUART TRAINING SCHOOL. MY UNCLE, LEROY WASHINGTON, WHO WAS A CAPTAIN OF THE POLICE FORCE. SIR, YOU'RE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH HIM? CHIEF, WE HAVE JAMES CHRISTIE, MY COUSIN, WHO NOT ONLY WAS A COMMISSIONER, BUT A MAYOR OF STUART MULTIPLE TIMES. THESE WERE THE PEOPLE WHO I GREW UP WITH, WHO WERE MY INFLUENCES AND WHERE DID THEY COME FROM? RIGHT ACROSS THE TRACKS IN EAST STUART. EAST STUART IS MORE THAN JUST. OH, IT'S IMPOVERISHED. IT'S MORE THAN OH, IT'S THE ACROSS THE TRACKS. IT'S THE GHETTO. IT'S WHERE PEOPLE HAD TO PULL THEMSELVES UP TO MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THEMSELVES, TO DO SOMETHING, TO BE SOMETHING, TO BE EXAMPLES FOR OTHERS, TO INSPIRE OTHERS. BUT WHEN YOU SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO WHAT? HOW I GREW UP, WHERE YOU WATCH THE FAMILIES, THE TIGHT KNIT COMMUNITIES, PEOPLE THAT KNEW EVERYONE, I COULD LOOK AROUND THIS ROOM. AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE, JUST AS YOU ALL KNOW ME AND YOU ALL KNOW MY FAMILY MEMBERS. COMMUNITY IS REALLY WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. BUT ONE THING IS, THE COMMUNITY ALSO HAS TO BE INVOLVED IN THE DIRECTION OF GROWTH AND WHERE THINGS ARE HEADED. IT SURE DOESN'T LEAD US A LOT OF CONFIDENCE. IT SURE DOESN'T MAKE US FEEL LIKE WE ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HELP BUILD WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAY IN IT. SO I WOULD I WOULD ASK COMMISSIONERS, WE ALL WANT JUST A SIMPLE THING. WE WANT TO BE A PART OF THE DECISIONS. JUST AS YOU WOULDN'T WANT PEOPLE COMING IN TO WHERE YOU LIVE AND MAKING DECISIONS FOR YOU WITHOUT YOUR INPUT. HOW WOULD YOU EXPECT THE SAME FOR US? SO THAT IS ALL I ASK THAT WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU, BUT WE WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THE DECISION MAKING. THANK YOU FOR MY TIME. THANK YOU SIR. WE HAVE NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. MAYOR. THANK YOU. CAN I GET A MOTION

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[2. APPROVAL OF CRB APPOINTEES, MARK BRECHBILL & FREDERICK JAMES, TO THE CRA (RC): RESOLUTION No. 31-2025; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA APPOINTING COMMUNITY REDEVLOPMENT BOARD (CRB) MEMBERS MARK BRECHBILL AND FREDERICK JAMES TO SERVE AS THE BOARD MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY (CRA) FOR THE REMAINING CURRENT TERM, FROM PRESENT TO DECEMBER 31, 2025; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND BY THE VICE MAYOR. THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? IF WE LIKE THE. IF THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT, I'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS, COMMISSIONER CLARK.

I THINK MISS COMMISSIONER GIOVI MENTIONED TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT PROCEDURES ON HOW TO SPEAK. AND I GUESS THIS TIME IS MY TIME BETWEEN THE MYSELF AND MAYBE THE CITY MANAGER. BUT I KNOW THAT OUR. CRA PERSON HERE PANEL IS HERE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE WAY THINGS WORK, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD, WHICH IS A CRB, AND I JUST APPOINTED A NEW PERSON TO THAT BOARD, AND THAT PERSON IS REVEREND FREDERICK JAMES. AND THEN MARK BRIGHTWELL HAS BEEN ON THAT COMMITTEE, AND HE REMAINS ON THERE AND THAT COMMITTEE. APPOINTED, NOMINATED TWO OF THEIR MEMBERS TO SERVE WITH US ON THE CRA. AND THE CRA IS ALL OF THE CITY COMMISSION PLUS THESE TWO MEMBERS. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THOSE FUNDS THAT COME FROM VARIOUS SOURCES, ESPECIALLY THE TIF FUNDS THAT GO WITH THE CRA AND TO USE THEM IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE A VERY IMPORTANT SOURCE. I DON'T THINK MR. BRECHBILL IS HERE, BUT HE'S WELL KNOWN. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS MISS REVEREND FREDERICK JAMES, BUT HE'S AN UP AND COMING POLITICIAN SLASH MINISTER. REVEREND JAMES, WHICH. JUST BRIEFLY INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE HELPING TO MAKE DECISIONS ON. I SPEAK TO YOU TO THE YOU SPEAK TO US AND THEY'LL HEAR ALL OF US. OKAY.

SO, REVEREND OR PASTOR? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. HE'LL INTRODUCE HIMSELF. I CARRY BOTH TITLES. AS CHRIST CARRIED THREE TITLES. I CARRY THREE TITLES. I'M A PASTOR. I'M ALSO A REVEREND, ORDAINED REVEREND IN THE AME CHURCH. AND I PASTOR THE PEOPLE AT SAINT PAUL AFRICAN METHODIST EPISCOPAL CHURCH, WHERE I SERVE HUMBLY. SO LET ME THANK YOU FIRST OF ALL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH. AND. I WILL DO WHAT I CAN TO HELP GUIDE IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS PRAYERFULLY. AND I THANK GOD FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE PEOPLE THAT ATTEND SAINT PAUL. THEY KNOW THAT I WILL SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER, THAT I'M NOT AFRAID TO SAY WHAT'S ON MY MIND. BUT I DON'T CARRY THAT TO MY BED WITH ME. I DON'T GO TO SLEEP ANGRY. I DON'T GO TO BED WITH MALICE IN MY HEART. AND SO WHATEVER DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE, I THANK GOD FOR YOU HAVING A BRAIN TO MAKE A DECISION. AND AS I'VE LEARNED THAT WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO AN OPINION. I WILL RESPECT YOUR RIGHT TO AN OPINION AS LONG AS YOU RESPECT MINE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND WITH THAT, ALSO ONE OF HIS FIRST QUESTIONS. AND I SAID, AS SOON AS YOU GET STARTED AND GET HE'S BEEN APPROVED FOR ONE COMMITTEE. THERE'S ANOTHER COMMITTEE. IT'S CALLED WHAT IS A SUNSHINE BOARD, ESPECIALLY THE CRA. AND I KNOW THAT WHEN I SERVED AS MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR, MR. JAMES CHRISTIE WAS WE ATTENDED THE SAME CHURCH. WE'RE ON THE SAME BOARD. NEVER HAD A

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AND I WOULD JUST I WOULD LIKE TO RE, YOU KNOW, EMPHASIZE WHAT YOU SAID AND TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS THAT SINCE HE IS ON THE CRA, THE SUNSHINE APPLIES TO HIM, TO ALL OF US WITH REGARD TO PASTOR JAMES AND MISS BRINKLEY, YOU WANT SOME OF THAT MONEY? BECAUSE ALMOST ALL CRA FO THROUGH THE CRB. SO WE DO YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE THESE BOARDS, THESE MULTIPLE BOARDS, IS SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. AND NOW YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO LIVES RIGHT IN THE COMMUNITY. SO GO TO HIM. GO TALK TO HIM. BUT YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO SPEAK WITH ANY OF US. SO WE DO. AND THANK YOU BOTH FOR SERVING. IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK. SO ROLL CALL, PLEASE. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I'M SORRY. VICE MAYOR. ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER.

READ. YES. VICE MAYOR. COLLINS. YES. MAYOR. RICH. YES. COMMISSIONER. CLARK. YES.

COMMISSIONER. YES, YES. GOOD JOB. OKAY. MISTER BAGGETT, WILL YOU READ ITEM THREE FOR OUR

[3. ZONING IN PROGRESS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENTS IMPLEMENTATION (LEGISLATIVE) (RC): ORDINANCE No. 2539-2025; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING AND RESTATING THE CITY’S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER II ZONING DISTRICTS USES ALLOWED, DENSITY, INTENSITY, CHAPTER III SPECIAL ZONING CODES, CHAPTER V RESOURCE PROTECTION RELATED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND CHAPTER VI ON-SITE AND OFF-SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WHICH WERE DETERMINED DURING THE "ZONING IN PROGRESS" UNDER SECTION 1.04.04, STUART LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE; PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

CHAPTER TWO ZONING DISTRICTS USES. ALLOWED DENSITY. INTENSITY. CHAPTER THREE SPECIAL ZONING CODES. CHAPTER FIVE RESOURCE PROTECTION RELATED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. AND CHAPTER SIX ON SITE AND OFF SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHICH WERE DETERMINED DURING THE ZONING IN PROGRESS UNDER SECTION 1.04.04. STUART LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT.

PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON THIS ITEM, IF THE BOARD WILL INDULGE ME BECAUSE WE HAD DIFFICULTY LAST SESSION AND IT WENT QUITE LENGTHY AS WE'RE ALL TOO WELL AWARE OF. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE WITH STARTING WITH SECTION THREE AND THEN TWO, FIVE, SIX AND EIGHT. LET'S LET'S DISCUSS DISCUSS EACH SECTION AND THEN VOTE ON EACH SECTION ONE AT A TIME. NO, NO, THAT'S NOT HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS. IF WE WANT TO PARCEL OUT LIKE WE DISCUSSED, SECTION THREE, PARTICULAR PARTS OF SECTION THREE, THAT'S FINE. BUT WE SHOULD HAVE IT ALL VOTED ON ONE THING VERSUS TRYING TO PIECEMEAL IT TOGETHER WITH VOTES. I WAS JUST THINKING IT'D BE EASIER TO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO SPECIFIC SECTIONS, RATHER, BECAUSE OTHERWISE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL JUST TAKE IT WILL OCCUR JUST AT THE BEGINNING, AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL THE SECTIONS. I AGREE WITH YOU TO YOUR POINT ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR EACH SECTION LIKE WE DID LAST TIME. SO AFTER IT WAS A LITTLE CHAOTIC, WE MOVED TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON SECTION THREE OR COMMENTS TWO FIVE, SIX.

BUT THIS SHOULD BE VOTED ON AS A PACKAGE AS IT'S BEEN. AND THEN IF WE WANT TO PARCEL OUT AND SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE, FOR EXAMPLE, HYPOTHETICALLY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON, YOU KNOW, THE ALLOWABLE USES CHART, A PARTICULAR ELEMENT OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE MAP, THE MAP AMENDMENTS ON. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IS THERE ANY INPUT ON THAT, COMMISSIONER? SECTION 3.02.00. I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU STUART. THAT WAS ZERO COMMISSION ACTION. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS COMMISSIONER JOB. IS THAT OKAY IF WE VOTE AT THE END OF THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION ON THE PACKAGE, EXCEPT FOR. WELL, LET'S INSTEAD OF SAYING THAT NOW LET'S GO THROUGH THIS AND THEN SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT TO PARCEL OUT. LET'S DISCUSS THAT WHEN WE GET THERE INSTEAD OF ON THE FRONT END. CORRECT. COULD WE VOTE ON THAT ELEMENT AT THAT TIME, OR WOULD WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE END? IF WE WERE LOOKING TO VOTE TO TABLE, WE COULD. WHAT ARE WE TABLING? A SECTION WHICH WAS FORGIVE ME, YOU'RE CREATING A LITTLE BIT OF CHAOS. LET'S GO THROUGH THIS.

WHEN WE GET TO THE PORTION THAT APPLIES TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF WE WANT, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO PULL OUT A PARTICULAR SECTION AND NOT VOTE ON THAT AND TABLE THAT PARTICULAR ITEM,

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YEAH. OKAY. SO WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND. FOR WHAT? THE ENTIRE THING. NO, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? BUT WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT UNLESS WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CONSIDER. RIGHT? NO. JODY'S GOING TO PRESENT, AND WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS LIKE WE DID EVERY SINGLE TIME BEFORE THIS. OH, YOU WANT TO HAVE STAFF GO THROUGH THE CHANGES FROM LAST WEEK? CORRECT. OKAY, FINE FINE. WE'LL HAVE THE STAFF PRESENTATION CONTEXT OF THIS. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO THIS IS, THE FIRST MEETING AS A PART OF THIS ZIP IS WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SIX MONTHS GOING LINE BY LINE. SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO THOROUGHLY GO THROUGH THIS. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SIT THROUGH THE STAFF PRESENTATION HERE ONLY FOR A FEW PAGES IF YOU CAN HANG IN THERE. AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THEN WE WILL HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND THEN RIGHT AFTER THAT WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. SO OKAY, WE'VE ARRIVED AT A GOOD DECISION HERE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JODY KOOGLER. I'M THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. IF WE COULD JUST TAKE A QUICK MOMENT.

AT THE LAST MEETING, THE BOARD HAD REQUESTED STAFF TO KIND OF START PLAYING AROUND WITH THE GIS LAYERS SO WE COULD LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT LAYERS BASED OFF THE ZONING. SO YOU CAN SEE THE PARCELS ONLY IN R3, OR IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR PARCELS FOR URBAN WATERFRONT. SO IF WE COULD JUST DEMONSTRATE THAT REAL QUICK. IT'S NOT TOTALLY ROLLED OUT, BUT I DO HAVE SOME OF MY STAFF HERE TONIGHT I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE MICHELLE IS MY PLANNER ONE. THANK YOU. AND I ALSO HAVE EZEKIEL CRUZ. THIS IS THE GURU THAT SITS BEHIND THE GIS AND DOESN'T SAY MUCH. BUT HE'S AMAZING DRAWING POINTS AND SHAPES. SO THEY'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH JUST A QUICK RUN THROUGH AND THEN WE CAN START THE OTHER PORTION. BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT STAFF IS TRYING TO CREATE. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS OR WANTING TO CHANGE ANYTHING, WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK ON THAT AS WELL. TODAY IS IT DIDN'T WORK OVER THE WEEKEND. THANK YOU. IT'S GOING TO WORK TODAY. SLIDE. COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. LET'S GO GO, GO HERE. YEAH, SURE. OH. ALL RIGHT. SO ON THE CITY INTRANET WE'LL FIND THE GEO APP WHICH IS THE DEVELOPMENT'S INTERNAL WEB MAP.

SO WE HAVE HERE'S A BUNCH OF LAYERS AND SOME OF THEM MAKE SENSE. SOME OF THEM DON'T. FOR SOME OF YOU. BUT WE'LL TURN OFF THE ROADS PARCELS. AND THE CITY LIMITS FOR THIS DEMONSTRATION WE'RE GOING TO. TURN ON THE DISTRICTS. SO THIS DOESN'T REALLY GIVE US MUCH INFORMATION.

THIS IS A LOT OF DATA. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE HAVE A FILTER THAT WE'RE ABLE TO BREAK DOWN A CERTAIN LOCATION. IN THIS CASE WE'RE GOING TO TOGGLE IT ON. ON THESE SPECIAL DISTRICTS. EZEKIEL CAN YOU ZOOM INTO EAST STEWART. I THINK THAT'D BE RELEVANT TONIGHT WITH THE CREW THAT'S HERE. SO WE ARE GOING TO GO TO THIS SELECTION FOR EAST STEWART. YOU DON'T ONLY HAVE TO SELECT ONE YOU CAN SELECT MULTIPLE. BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SELECT THE ZONINGS. AND LET'S SAY WE WANT TO LOOK AT VMU AND GRO FOR THAT PARTICULAR. YOU CAN ALSO DO SFD SFD AS WELL. YES. SO THAT PURPLE JUST FOR EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE. THAT PURPLE IS BUSINESS MIXED USE WHICH IMAGINE ABACOA OR CITY PLACE STARBUCKS ON THE BOTTOM APARTMENTS UPSTAIRS THREE STORY. YEAH THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALLOWED BY ZONING. VICE MAYOR, CAN WE HAVE THE STAFF MAKE THE PRESENTATION? YOU'RE ALLOWED TO COMMENT? ABSOLUTELY. WHEN RECOGNIZED.

THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. THIS IS. PLEASE CONTINUE. SO THIS LAYER JUST SHOWS YOU THAT YOU CAN TURN ON ONE LAYER. IF YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING FOR ZONING IN MULTIFAMILY, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE PARCELS WITHIN THE MULTIFAMILY. IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY TURN ON THAT COLOR. OR YOU CAN DO MULTIPLE LAYERS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE ENTIRE ZONING MAP. THAT GETS VERY CONFUSING. LOTS OF COLORS. AND ALSO WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE VACANT PARCELS.

YOU HAVE A VACANT PARCEL LAYER AS WELL. AND ALSO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE NUMBER OF PARCELS WITHIN THAT LAYER. SO IF YOU WANT TO KNOW IN YOUR BMU OR YOUR AREA, AND YOU WANTED TO SEND OUT MAILERS WITHIN THREE WITHIN THAT THAT DISTRICT, YOU COULD USE THIS AS ONE OF YOUR TOOLS. OR

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AND THIS IS A GOOD TOOL FOR ANYBODY OUT IN THE AUDIENCE IF YOU WANT TO SEE LIKE AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO DO A DEVELOPMENT LAYER TOO. SO YOU CAN SEE THE ACTIVE SIMILAR TO WHAT THE UTILITIES HAVE. IF YOU GO TO THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT YOU CAN SEE ALL THEIR ACTIVITY AND WHERE THEY'RE WORKING AND WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED. SAME THING WITH DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE GOING TO COINCIDE TOGETHER SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT PROJECTS ARE IN WORKING ORDER. THAT'S IN THE PIPELINE AND EVERYTHING. THAT'S GREAT JODY. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF AT THIS POINT? THANK YOU. I DO. YEAH, I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. MAYBE YOU CAN HELP CLARIFY.

WOULD YOU MIND ZOOMING IN THERE? YEAH. ON THOSE DIFFERENT USES. SO. JODY, BY WAY OF QUESTION, THEN I GUESS THAT YELLOW THAT THAT'S ON THERE, THAT WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX. IS THAT CORRECT. YES THAT IS CORRECT. SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND DUPLEXES AND THEN THE GREEN EVERYWHERE THAT IT SAYS GREEN THAT THAT WOULD BE THREE STORY BY RIGHT UP TO FOUR STORY WITH COMMISSION ACTION GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OFFICE. THAT WOULD INCLUDE USES LIKE MIXED USE WHERE YOU COULD HYPOTHETICALLY HAVE LIKE COFFEE SHOPS ON THE BOTTOM, BURGER JOINT FANCY APARTMENTS UPSTAIRS FOR A FEW STORIES. IS THAT WOULD THAT CHARACTERIZE THAT MIXED USE? YES, SIR. LIKE ABACOA OR CITY PLACE. AND THEN THE PURPLE WOULD BE SOMETHING SIMILAR. CORRECT? YES. IT'D BE MORE ON YOUR ALONG YOUR CORRIDORS THAT ARE TRAVEL WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE HIGHER INTENSE TRAVEL DISTANCE. CORRECT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, JODY. OKAY. I HAVE COMMISSIONER READ. YES. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK JODY. THIS GIS MAP IS APPLICABLE TO THE ENTIRE COUNTY, RIGHT? WHEN IT'S UPDATED FOR THIS LAYER SECTION. RIGHT. SO OUR GIS IS UPDATED THROUGH JUST CITY OF STEWART. THERE IS A LAYER THAT YOU CAN TURN ON FOR MARTIN COUNTY, BUT MAINLY THIS IS GEARED TOWARD FOR CITY OF STEWART. NOW WE DO GET ALL OUR DATA FROM MARTIN COUNTY THAT AS FAR AS THE PARCEL INFORMATION, RIGHT. COMMISSIONER CLARK, EXCUSE ME. OKAY. THANK YOU. JODY. THIS IS GOOD THAT WE'RE RIGHT THERE WITH TECHNOLOGY AND THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO IT. THANK YOU. SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR CITY. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT, AND I DON'T WANT TO CALL ANY NAMES, BUT I GUESS OUR COMMISSIONER MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE ABACO AND CITY PLACE. ABACO AND CITY PLACE. ACRES, LARGE AREAS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 40 FOOT LOTS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE 8 OR 9 LOTS FOR THE BLOCK. AND IT'S VERY SMALL AREA. SO I DON'T THINK EVEN WITH DRAINAGE AND WITH OTHER THINGS, WE CAN HAVE ABACO AND CITY PLACE. AND THE CURRENT CODE THAT'S THERE NOW IS THE EAST STEWART. FORM BASED CODE THAT ACTUALLY HAS SPECIFIC THINGS, A SPECIFIC WAY TO MAKE UNITS, SPECIFIC WAY TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THERE. AND IT TELLS YOU WHAT THE ALL THE UNITS ARE IN THAT ARRAY ALONG THE PERMITTED USES. AND SO YOU KNOW TO IT, I THINK IT'S KIND OF TRYING TO ENGENDER FEAR TO SAY WE COULD PUT UP 3 OR 4 STORIES LIKE ABACO AND BUT NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT. AND WE CAN DO FOUR STORIES IN MARTIN COUNTY. IT'S ALLOWED. IT'S ALLOWED THE COMMISSIONER. IT'S ALLOWED. BUT IT'S NOT FEAR. IT'S WHAT THE CODE SAYS. VICE MAYOR, WILL YOU ALLOW HER TO CONCLUDE HER REMARKS? IT'S A IT'S ALLOWED TO DO. IT'S ALLOWED TO. YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. BUT IT'S NOT A LARGE AREA. EAST STEWART HAS I MEAN, EAST AVENUE HAS HAD A PHARMACY DOWNSTAIRS, ICE CREAM SHOP AND HOUSE UPSTAIRS. THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER PLACES IN BETWEEN THERE THAT THEY'VE HAD LOTS OF ACTIVITY IN THE PAST. AND I THINK WHEN ONE OF OUR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAME UP, THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT. BUT JUST TO LET IT'S JUST A VERY SHORT AREA AND THE LOT SIZES ARE VERY SMALL. BUT AGAIN, I THINK IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND I WILL BE MAKING THAT MOTION WHEN IT COMES HERE, THAT WE DEFINITELY IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, AN ISSUE WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME BIG

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WELL, NORMALLY DURING STAFF PRESENTATION, WE ALLOW THEM TO. YOU JUST LET COMMISSIONER CLARK TALK A LOT. OKAY? OKAY. SO AGAIN THE PURPLE JUST FOR CLARIFICATION SO WE CAN IDENTIFY WHAT THAT PURPLE AND GREEN AND YELLOW MEAN. AGAIN YELLOW IS SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX GREEN JODY WOULD BE UP TO 35FT WITHOUT COMMISSION APPROVAL. AND THEN UP TO 45FT AND FOUR STORIES WITH COMMISSION APPROVAL. THE PURPLE WOULD BE UP TO 40FT. AND THEN WITH COMMISSION ACTION UP TO FOUR STORIES AT 45FT, AS PER OUR CODE. THAT'S CORRECT. BASED ON THE USE TABLE. YES. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IF IT'S PURPLE, IT CAN BE 40 OR 45FT WITH COMMISSION ACTION. IF IT'S GREEN, IT COULD BE 35 OR 40FT, WHICH IS A VERY DIFFERENT STORY THAN THE ONE AND TWO STORY SHOPS FOR EAST STEWART, A BARBER, SHOPS AND COMMUNITY SPECIFIC.

WITHIN THESE DIFFERENT USES THAT ARE ALLOWED, MIXED USE HOTELS, RIGHT. APARTMENT BUILDINGS, NOT

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JODY, CAN YOU FAST FORWARD TO THREE? I THINK I CAN DO THAT. START JUST JUST I'M JUST GOING TO MOVE THIS OVER HERE REAL QUICK SO I DON'T MAKE YOU DIZZY AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK. SURE.

SO. YOU. CHAPTER TWO IS VERY LONG. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THIS START STARTS YOUR CHAPTER THREE, WHICH IS YOUR SPECIAL ZONING CODES, WHICH INCLUDES THE URBAN URBAN CENTER, URBAN AND CREEK CREEK DISTRICT, EAST STEWART AND YOUR OCEAN BOULEVARD OVERLAY. SO I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY INTERESTED IN IS WHERE A LOT OF THESE ARE DIRECTED AS

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HOLD ON. I ALWAYS FORGET WHAT GROW FOR CONTEXT. THESE DIFFERENT THESE DIFFERENT SECTIONS ARE WHAT'S ALLOWABLE IN EACH DIFFERENT OF THOSE DESIGNATIONS. YEAH. THANK YOU.

WHEN YOU USE THE ACRONYM FOR SO LONG YOU FORGET WHAT IT'S. SO IT'S ACTUALLY EAST STEWART BUSINESS MIXED USE AND THEN EAST STEWART GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OFFICE AND THEN SINGLE FAMILY FORWARD SLASH DUPLEX OKAY. SO WHEN THIS WAS THE FORM BASED CODE ADOPTED THIS IN 2023. IF YOU SEE A CHECK MARK THAT WAS APPROVED BY REITS WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF APPROVAL PROCESS, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE DIFFERENT WORKSHOPS, THE BOARD REQUESTED US TO LOOK AT SOME TYPE OF PROCESS, AND WE ARE ACTUALLY REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE A TO A CONDITIONAL USE AS. SO THERE'S ACTUAL A BUILT IN PROCESS. YEAH. AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE EAST STEWART AND THROUGHOUT THE CODE. RIGHT. SO IF YOU SEE A CHECK MARK DO YOU MIND OR ARTICULATING WHAT THAT MEANS IF, IF A CERTAIN USE IS BY CONDITIONAL USE WHAT THAT WOULD TRIGGER I.E. A COMMUNITY PUBLIC MEETING AND THE COMMUNITY BEING ABLE TO HAVE INPUT. SO IF YOU WANTED TO JUST SO LET'S JUST SAY YOU WANTED TO PUT MULTIFAMILY IN A BUSINESS MIXED USE DISTRICT, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE. RIGHT NOW.

BEFORE IT WAS A USE BY REITS. BUT NOW WE'RE ASKING IT BE A CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH REQUIRES AN APPLICATION THROUGH TO THE CITY COMMISSION, TO THE CITY APPROVAL, THROUGH THE CITY COMMISSION, WHICH REQUIRES PUBLIC HEARINGS FROM EITHER THE CRB OR LPA BOARD IN WHICH THE PUBLIC COULD ATTEND. RIGHT. THE COMMUNITY COULD BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS. YES. AND IT REQUIRES APPROVAL BY THE CITY COMMISSION. IT ALSO REQUIRES YOU TO DO PUBLIC NOTICES WITHIN 300FT, PLACE A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY AND A AD IN A NEWSPAPER WITH THE SPECIFIC DATES. SO EVERYBODY THAT'S AROUND WHAT IS PROPOSED WOULD BE BE MADE AWARE. THEY WOULD YOU WOULD SEE THE BLUE SIGNS, YOU WOULD BE NOTIFIED, AND THEN YOU COULD COME AND YOU COULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS INSTEAD OF IT BEING WITHOUT YOUR AWARENESS. AND THEN THE NEXT DAY THERE'S BULLDOZERS. AND IT HAPPENED ALL BEHIND THE SCENES AT THE CITY. AND NOW THERE'S THIS THING HAPPENING. CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. WELL, SO AGAIN, I DISPUTE THE CHARACTERIZATION BEHIND THE SCENES, BUT INTERNALLY, A CONDITIONAL USE NOW REQUIRES AN OWNER OF HIS PROPERTY ENGINEER TO HIRE AN ENGINEER TO HIRE A PLANNER. IT BECOMES A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING. YOU HAVE TO PRESENT EVIDENCE. WE'RE TALKING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, $8,000.

AND BY THE WAY, THERE IS NO LONGER UNLIKE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY. THERE IS NO LONGER ANY GUARANTEE, EVEN IF YOU COMPLY TO THE CODE, THAT YOU WILL BE ALLOWED TO DO WHAT YOU WANT. BUT IF THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT THAT FOUR STORY THING, SHOULDN'T THAT BE THE WAY THAT IT GOES? THAT THAT IT CAN BE? WE CAN SAY NO IF IT'S NOT CONGRUENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OTHERWISE THERE'S NOBODY HAS A SAY. EXACTLY. NOBODY HAS A SAY. IT HAPPENS. IT WASN'T EVERYTHING THOUGH. IT'S IT, IT'S NOT EVERY IT'S NOT EVERY EVERY EVERYTHING. IT'S NOT ALL USES. BUT WE'VE WHAT WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS WHERE BEFORE WE MADE THIS POTENTIAL CHANGE, NOBODY HAD TO

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OH. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW. NO NO NO I'VE I'VE DONE A CONDITIONAL USAGE BEFORE AND I DON'T KNOW IF JODY CAN GO OVER A CONDITIONAL USAGE APPLICATION, BUT I BELIEVE YOU DO NOT NEED AN ENGINEER FOR A CONDITIONAL USAGE. YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAND SKETCH YOU. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JODY, I BELIEVE YOU CAN HAND SKETCH YOUR SITE PLAN BECAUSE A CONDITIONAL USAGE IS THE CONCEPT MAJORITY.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THOUGH, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT A CONDITIONAL USAGE IS. YOU WOULD THEN COME BACK WITH A SITE PLAN FOR APPROVAL AND YOU COULD DO THAT FURTHER ON DOWN THE ROAD.

BUT A CONDITIONAL USAGE IS MORE OF THE CONCEPT OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. AND THEN YOU WOULD COME BACK WITH A SITE PLAN WHEN YOU WERE READY FOR THAT. I CAN TRY TO FIND IT SO I CAN HELP YOU OUT AND POINT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT IT MIGHT NOT HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW, BUT THIS EVENING WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE PUBLIC. I'M GOING TO LOOK FOR IT MYSELF. SO THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS. THIS IS THE APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS. WHAT SECTION. THIS IS 11.01 .11 OKAY. SO ONE YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PRE APP APPLICATION. AND THEN YOU SUBMIT THE APPLICATION. YOU HAVE DIFFERENT CRITERIAS THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET. IT'S NUMBER FIVE. AND YOU HAVE TO MEET ALL THESE CRITERIAS. FROM FROM A THROUGH J. DO YOU MIND CHARACTERIZING THOSE CRITERIA. DRAINAGE AND DRAINAGE. YOU WILL HAVE TO. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE FLOODING THE NEIGHBOR TO ANSWER. YEAH. JODY CONTINUE OKAY. HE DOESN'T WANT ME TO TALK. SO AS THE APPLICATION PROCESS, IF YOU WERE THE APPLICANT, YOU WERE TO PROPOSE A USE THAT IS NOT CONTRARY TO THE ESTABLISHED LAND USES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. SO ALL THESE QUESTIONS WILL TYPICALLY BE ANSWERED BY THE APPLICANT OR WHOEVER THEY CHOOSE TO HIRE. BUT THEY DO NEED TO ADDRESS EVERY ONE OF THESE. ONE B IS THE PROPOSED USE WOULD NOT BE SIGNIFICANTLY DEPART FROM THE DENSITIES OR INTENSITIES, USE OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND THEREBY INCREASES AN OVERTAX AND LOAD ON PUBLIC FACILITIES, SCHOOLS, UTILITIES AND STREETS AND PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THEY WOULD TYPICALLY WITH THE WAY THEY WOULD GO TO THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES, LIKE IN OUR UTILITIES DEPARTMENT, THEY WOULD MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH WATER CAPACITY, GARBAGE CAPACITY. IF IT'S A MULTI-FAMILY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH SCHOOL CAPACITY AND ANY OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH TYPICALLY THEY WOULD SUBMIT A DRAINAGE STATEMENT STATING THAT THEY WOULD NOT IMPOSE ON THEIR NEIGHBORS. THE PROPOSED USE WILL NOT CONTRARY TO NOT CONTRARY TO THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AGAIN, THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO ANSWER. THE PROPOSED USE OF THE EXISTING DISTRICT BOUNDARIES ARE LOGICALLY DRAWN IN RELATION TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE PROPERTY PROPOSED FOR CHANGE. SO THIS IS WHERE THE APPLICANT WOULD DEMONSTRATE THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH IF YOU WERE IN EAST STEWART, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS NEXT TO YOU. SO YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE BUILDING THIS FOUR STORY AND YOU HAVE A ONE STORY DUPLEX NEXT TO YOU. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE, THE, THE LOGIC THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. YOU WOULD ALSO DEMONSTRATE THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A TRAFFIC. THE USE WOULD NOT BE A TRAFFIC CONGESTION. A LOT OF TIMES THEY WILL SUBMIT A TRAFFIC STATEMENT SHOWING HOW WHAT NEW TRIPS THAT ARE GOING TO ADD ON TO THAT AREA. THEY WILL NOT CREATE DRAINAGE OR STORMWATER PROBLEMS. THE PROPOSED USE WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED. LIGHT OR AIR. WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT LIGHT POLLUTION NEXT TO YOUR NEIGHBORS. THAT'S ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF STUART. YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE LIGHT POLLUTION IF YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL ENTITY TWO DOORS DOWN AND THEY'RE TWO STORIES AND YOU HAVE A ONE STORY AND THE LIGHT SHINING FROM THAT DOWNSTAIRS, EVERYBODY DOESN'T WANT THAT. SO WE LOOK AT THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE TYPICALLY THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN THAT SHOWS THE LIGHTING THAT GOES OUT TO THE PROPERTY LINES, MAKING SURE IT POINTS OUT TO ZERO. SO

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EVERYTHING WOULD BE BY RIGHT HERE. THE WAY THAT THE COMMISSION IS CRAFTING IT WOULD ALL BE BY CONDITIONAL USE EXCEPT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT, JODY, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, TODAY, TO THE POINT I MADE EARLIER, THESE PROTECTIONS DO NOT EXIST FOR THE NEIGHBORS. AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THE WAY OUR CODE IS SINCE 2004 IS IF SOMEBODY CAME IN TO DEVELOP, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, CORRECT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS. CORRECT, JODY. THEY DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS. THEY STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE SET UP IN THE FORM BASED CODE THAT DOES HAVE THOSE BUILT TO ZONES, THE COMPATIBILITY. SO THERE IS SOME THERE IS SOME SAFETY MECHANISM THAT WAS BUILT IN THE FORM BASED CODE, BUT THE COMMUNITY WOULD NOT BE INVOLVED. THERE WOULDN'T BE A PUBLIC MEETING, RIGHT? THERE WOULD NOT BE A COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. NO, NO PUBLIC NOTICE UNLESS IT'S OVER 50,000FT■!S. VICE MAYOR, MAY I ASK? WE ARE OBVIOUSLY DISCUSSING THIS SECTION. MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE WANT TO BE HEARD WITH REGARD TO THAT. THE REASON WE HAVE THE PROCESS WE HAVE IS THAT FIRST, WE HEAR THE PUBLIC BECAUSE WE VALUE THEIR OPINION, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR DISCUSSION RATHER THAN US SITTING UP HERE BEFORE LISTENING TO THEM, TELLING THEM WHAT THEY. SO COULD WE JUST HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON. YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS ENOUGH FOR I'M HAPPY TO OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT? OKAY. COMMISSIONER CLARK, BEFORE WE TURN THE I MAKE ONE COMMENT BEFORE THE PUBLIC. I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IT UP, BUT IF WHEN YOU DO, JUST ALSO EXPLAIN, ESPECIALLY FOR EAST STUART ABOUT THE HOME OCCUPATION AND THE ADDITION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADD IN FOR HOME OCCUPATION. SO THERE WAS A PROVISION ADDED TO THE HOME OCCUPATION THAT IF YOU HAVE AN ADU THAT PRIOR TO ANY OF THIS, YOU WEREN'T ALLOWED TO USE YOUR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. I'M SORRY, I SHOULDN'T USE ACRONYMS TO USE YOUR AS A, AS YOUR OFFICE OR YOUR OR PLACE OF YOUR BUSINESS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE YOUR RESIDENCE AND GO OR RENT ANOTHER PLACE. WE DID ADD A PROVISION THAT YOU CAN HAVE A OFFICE OR SOME TYPE OF BUSINESS OUT OF YOUR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT BY A CONDITIONAL USE AS WELL. NOW, THE STATE DID CHANGE THE CODE BACK IN 2021 WHEN COVET WAS AROUND, THAT YOU CAN HAVE SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES LIKE HAIRDRESSING IN YOUR MAIN MAIN HOUSE, BUT YOU CANNOT HAVE. AND THE WAY IT'S CRAFTED IS YOU DON'T HAVE IT ALLOWABLE IN YOUR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. SO WE ARE ADDING SOME LANGUAGE THAT WILL RELIEVE SOME OF THOSE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO RENT A SEPARATE SPACE. AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT, IS THROUGHOUT EACH OF OUR DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS IS YOU WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, YOU CAN STILL HAVE A HOME OCCUPATION. NOBODY'S TRYING TO TAKE AWAY THAT. WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE. TED WITZEL. IS IT OPEN? NO, I'M CALLING FOR TED WITZEL. WITZEL I'M SORRY. YOU WANT TO LET HIM KNOW TO FILL OUT A GREEN CARD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SHE'S. YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU NEED TO FILL OUT A GREEN CARD. PLEASE. TED, AGAIN FOR THIS? YEAH. FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. ARE YOU MR. WITZEL? NO. OKAY. YEAH. I THINK I'D RATHER WAIT AND SPEAK ON CHAPTER TWO. HE IS. OKAY. OKAY. YES. OKAY. YEAH. SPEAK, SIR.

SPEAK, TED. YOU'RE GOOD MAN. COME ON. UP SECOND. YEAH. I'M SORRY. TED WITZEL, 304 NORTHWEST FLAGLER. COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, SIR? A LITTLE MORE DIRECTLY. THANK YOU. YEAH.

I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT CHAPTER TWO. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT EAST STUART. OKAY? OKAY. OKAY. GO AHEAD. OKAY. YES, SIR. DO YOU WANT ME TO GO NOW OR. YES. YES. GO NOW. YOU'RE UP. LET'S GO. LET ME GET UP HERE. OKAY. HE'S GETTING HIS PAPER. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. 300. WE'LL GET BACK HOME.

OKAY? AS I SAID, TED WEITZEL, 304 NORTHWEST FLAGLER AVENUE, STUART, FLORIDA. OKAY. MINE IS

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IT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. THANK YOU, JODY, THAT JODY, FOR CLARIFICATION, WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING REGARDING WITH REGARD TO HOTELS. SO I'M CONFUSED. VICE MAYOR. HE'S REFERRING TO A PROJECT THAT WAS CALLED SPORT SPORTSMAN MARINA, AND THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD A HOTEL, MIXED USE WITH PARKING UNDERNEATH. AND SO THAT PROJECT DID NOT MOVE FORWARD AND THE APPLICATION WAS EXPIRED. AND AT THAT TIME THEY STARTED TALKING TO STAFF ABOUT A TEMPORARY PARKING FOR MARINA.

AND THEY HAD FUTURE PLANS FOR A PHASE TWO. SO WE DID LET THEM KNOW THAT PARKING IS GOING TO CHANGE AT EACH USE WILL NEED TO BE PARKED ACCORDINGLY. BUT HE DID. HE IS CORRECT. WE DID HAVE A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING WITH HIM, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE AN ACTIVE APPLICATION WITH THIS PROJECT. CORRECT I UNDERSTAND, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. MR. JOSEPH COOPER. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. JOSEPH COOPER 906 SOUTHEAST NINTH STREET, COMING TO TALK ABOUT. I WAS TRYING I'LL TRY TO BE VERY BRIEF WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, THE ZIP PROCESS, IT WAS ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THE GROWTH THAT WAS IN THE CITY OF STUART. SO WE EMBARKED ON TRYING TO PUT MEASURES IN PLACE SO THAT WE CAN CONTROL THE GROWTH. IT WENT FROM SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO CONTROL THE GROWTH IN THE CITY OF STUART TO ACTUALLY PUTTING A BULL'S EYE ON EAST STUART. SO WE WENT FROM SAYING WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES WITH MULTIFAMILY AND MULTI MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE SPROUTED UP AROUND THE CITY OF STUART. AND THEN WE WENT FROM ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES TO SAYING WE NEED TO TAKE AND LET'S MAKE SURE WE DICTATE WHAT EAST STUART NEEDS FOR EAST STUART.

THEY THE FOLKS HERE ARE VERY CAPABLE OF COMING TOGETHER. I'M GOING TO LEAD THE CHARGE TO ORGANIZE THE PEOPLE. SO WE'RE COMING TO ASK THE COMMISSION TO PUT A BRAKES ON IT. WHILE WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO PROTECT US, I THINK THE BEST PROTECTOR IS THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THESE STORES. SO WE WANT THE PROCESS. PAUSE. DON'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE CURRENT FORM BASED CODE. ALLOW THE RESIDENTS TO GET TOGETHER. YOU CAN YOU CAN PAY YOU YOU ALLOW WHICH IS URBAN

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THEY CAN BE INTERVIEWED RIGHT IN THEIR RESIDENCE. AND THEY CAN YOU CAN TALK TO LANDOWNERS. MR. JOHNNY BELL IS HERE, THE MCCARTY'S ARE HERE. AND ON A SIDE NOTE, IF THEY WANT TO TAKE THEIR LAND AND RECREATE WHAT WAS THERE, THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY. SO WHAT YOU CAN'T TELL THEM. THEY CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO DEVELOP. IT'S EXPENSIVE. BUT THE PEOPLE THEY WANT TO REMAIN, THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO CREATE THE MAGIC. THEY WANT TO RECREATE THE MAGIC.

THEY KNOW HOW TO RECREATE IT BECAUSE THEY CAME FROM THAT. WE ALL CAME FROM THAT. SO I'M IMPLORING YOU GUYS WHILE AND I COMMEND COMMISSIONER REED FOR COMING IN AND HEARING THE PEOPLE. AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE HERE TODAY SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO SLOW THE PROCESS DOWN. DO NOT MAKE A MOVE, DO NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES, AND THEN ALLOW THE RESIDENTS TO COME TOGETHER AND FORM A PLAN AND THEN PRESENT IT TO THE CITY. AND THEN YOU CAN COLLABORATE BY PAYING YOU ALLY TO DO THAT. AND THEN YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE A MORE COHESIVE PLAN THAT THE PEOPLE, WHETHER IT'S THE BRINKLEYS, WHETHER IT'S THE MCCARTYS, WHETHER IT'S THE CHURCHES, WHETHER IT'S PASTOR GORE, WHERE ALL THE PEOPLE CAN GIVE AN INPUT, AND THEN YOU TAKE ALL THOSE OPINIONS AND THEN YOU THEY PUT IT TOGETHER. THE PROFESSIONALS LET THE PROFESSIONALS DO IT. SO YOU'RE A DEVELOPER, CORRECT? YES, I AM, YES. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE ON THE I'M NOT GOING TO BE ON THE PANEL, BUT I'M A RESIDENT OF EAST STUART. SO THE PLAN IS TO GET A BUNCH OF DEVELOPERS TOGETHER. NO NO NO NO NO THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT TRUE. NO. SO IT'S CALLED SO I'M GENTRIFICATION. GENTRIFICATION. IT OCCURS YOU KNOW WHAT GENTRIFICATION OCCURRED. LET'S LET'S TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THIS IS WHY GENTRIFICATION. NO, NO, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE WHITE FOLKS LEAVE THE URBAN CORE. AND THEN WHEN IT GETS A LITTLE BUSY, THEY COME BACK TO THE CITY CORE. THAT'S WHAT GENTRIFICATION IS. WHEN YOU HAVE URBAN FLIGHT, LET'S BE LET'S BE TRUE. THAT'S WHETHER IT'S OVERTOWN, WHETHER IT'S RIVIERA BEACH. WHEN THE TRAFFIC GETS A LITTLE HECTIC, THEY WANT TO COME BACK AND TAKE WHAT THEY FLED FROM. SO THIS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ALONE. SO NO, NO, NO, I LIVE, I LIVE, I WAS BORN HERE, I GET TO, I GET TO I HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK. MY DAD IS 93. HE BUILT MOST OF THE ROADS AROUND HERE. OKAY. SO YOU MIGRATED HERE OKAY. SURE. SO YOU DON'T GET TO TELL ME. NO, NO, NO, YOU YOU, MR. VICE MAYOR.

YEAH, BECAUSE GOD BLESS ME. GOD BLESS ME IF YOU WANT TO KNOW. YEAH, BECAUSE GOD BLESS ME, MR. COOPER. THANK YOU. YES, YES. YEAH, YEAH, I AM, BECAUSE I'M BLESSED. MR. COOPER, YOU'RE A CHIROPRACTOR, RIGHT? I'M BLESSED TOO. OKAY, MR. COOPER, STAY IN YOUR LANE. THANK YOU, MR. COOPER. YEAH, STAY OUT OF THESE TWO. I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO NOT ARGUE WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE TAKEN TIME OUT OF THEIR DAY TO COME HERE AND EXPRESS THEIR OPINION. ROD PETERSON, DO YOU? YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT THE BIG BOYS HERE? OKAY, OKAY. MY NAME IS ROB PETERSON. I LIVE ON CENTRAL AVENUE. 721. MY GRANDFATHER IS WILLIE MANUEL, AND EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW I CAME IN THIS COMMUNITY BACK IN 77. AND WHEN I SAY IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY, I'M A COUNTRY BOY FROM THE PANHANDLE. I BELIEVE IN HOGS, CHICKENS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND BUT THE COMMUNITY IS, IS WAS VIBRANT. I'VE SEEN SO MUCH IN THIS COMMUNITY FROM EAST AVENUE TO 10TH STREET TO SEVENTH STREET AS THAT TIME BEFORE MLK AND A PART OF CENTRAL AVENUE, VERY VIBRANT. AND AS A YOUNG MAN, I HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH WHAT UNITY IS IN THIS COMMUNITY. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE URBAN CODE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN THIS COMMUNITY, I BELIEVE IN GROWTH, BUT LET THIS COMMUNITY BUILD ITS OWN. YEAH, BUILD ITS OWN. I RESPECT THAT, YEAH, I RESPECT THAT. THEY HAVE WORKED SO HARD.

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SANDERS. COLEMAN. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, CITY COMMISSIONERS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SANDERS COLEMAN. I LIVE DOWN IN MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD, 900 2927 MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD.

AND I COMMEND YOU ON THE WONDERFUL JOB YOU DID DOWN THERE WITH THOSE WITH THE PROPERTY DOWN THERE, WITH THE WONDERFUL HOUSES THAT WAS BUILT INSTEAD OF A DUPLEX. AND Y'ALL CAME UP WITH A GOOD COMPROMISE ON IT. THREE ON SIX, THREE AND THREE ON SEVENTH STREET. AND ONE THING I NEED TO LET YOU KNOW. WE NEED A RED LIGHT DOWN THERE BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC. OKAY. BUT HE STOOD.

THIS IS ALL THE BLACKS HAVE STOOD. THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT RICH PEOPLE. THOSE HOUSES THEY BUILT DOWN WHERE I LIVE AT, THEY WENT FOR $450,000 A PIECE. AND PEOPLE IN EAST HILL DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY. AND THEY SHOULD HAVE THE SAY. SO WHAT GOES ON IN THEIR COMMUNITY, PERIOD. BECAUSE WHAT GOES ON THERE AFFECTS THEM. IT AFFECTS THEIR WALLET. IT RUINS THEIR PROPERTY TAXES UP. AND THEY STRUGGLING NOW JUST TO TRY TO MAKE ENDS MEET BECAUSE THE PRICES ARE GOING THROUGH THE ROOF. ALRIGHT. AND I'M SURE JUST LIKE YOU COMPROMISE DOWN THERE WHERE I LIVE AT PALM BEACH ROAD AND MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD AND SEVENTH STREET, I THINK YOU COULD COME UP WITH A GOOD COMPROMISE FOR EACH. DO IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ROBIN CARTWRIGHT. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS GOT WEIRDLY QUIET. THAT'S A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT I AM NOT A RESIDENT OF EAST STUART, THOUGH I DO LIVE ACROSS THE STREET. AND AS WE ALL KNOW, I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT THIS COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT OUR COMMUNITY THRIVES ON. AND I AM SO GRATEFUL TO ABSOLUTELY EVERYBODY HERE. THIS IS AMAZING. BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF MISINFORMATION THAT'S BEING THROWN AROUND. AND IT'S BEEN STATED THAT IF THE COMMISSION VOTES TO APPROVE THE NEW ZONING, THE PROPERTY OWNERS WILL LOSE THEIR RIGHTS TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY. AND THAT IS NOT TRUE. LISTEN, I DON'T COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER COLLINS ON WHAT HIS VISION AND WHAT HE WANTS TO SEE, BUT HE'S NOT WRONG ABOUT THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF FORM BASED CODE WHEN IT COMES TO ANY PART OF THE CITY, ESPECIALLY EAST STUART. IF WE ENFORCE THE ZONING, THAT SHOULD BE WHAT'S BEING SUGGESTED IS THAT PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT CONGRUENT TO THE AREA AND NEED EXCEPTIONS ARE PRESENTED FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND COMMISSION APPROVAL. EAST STUART NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED FROM DEVELOPERS WHO WILL GOBBLE IT UP AND PROPERTIES AND DEVELOP BY

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OUR INCREASED TAXES ARE BEING USED TO SUBSIDIZE ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO SUPPORT IT. INCREASED HOUSING PRICES ONLY MAKE OUR TAXES GO UP MORE, AND SOMEONE WITH AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY MORE THAN LIKELY WILL INCREASE THEIR RENT TO KEEP UP WITH THE SURROUNDING MARKET RATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE WHAT GENTRIFIES AN AREA THEY PRICE OUT. PEOPLE WHO CURRENTLY LIVE HERE. FYI, INCREASED HOUSING PRICES AND HIGHER RENTS DO NOT EQUAL NEIGHBORHOOD STABILITY AND THEY DO NOT EQUAL SUSTAINABILITY. AND IT'S WEIRD HOW CERTAIN PEOPLE LIKE DEVELOPERS, OR PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR DEVELOPERS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE CONNECTED TO BRIGHTLINE ARE ON BOARD PUSHING FOR THIS SPECIFIC THING WITH NO REGARD TO GENTRIFICATION THAT IT'S GOING TO CREATE. AND I GET IT. IT'S A PROFITABLE, PROFITABLE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME PEOPLE. BUT GREED SHOULDN'T SUPERSEDE THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND AFFORDABILITY OF AN AREA. AND WE ARE RESPONSIBLE TO ONE ANOTHER. YES, EAST STUART IS A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE PLANS TO DEVELOP IT SHOULD HONOR THAT, AND THE ZONING AND PROGRESS NEEDS TO HAVE MEANINGFUL CHANGES THAT BENEFIT THE INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. AND EAST STUART DESERVES THAT. YES. THANK YOU ROBIN. THANK. DAVID FOSTER.

COMMISSIONERS DAVID FOSTER, 119 SOUTHWEST LINDEN STREET. STUART I'M HERE TO ECHO CONCERNS OVER THE ZONING IN PROGRESS AND TO URGE SLOWING DOWN ON SOME OF THESE CHANGES. MY GRANDFATHER SPOKE EARLIER. WE'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY ON A PROJECT THAT IS FULLY SELF FUNDED BY LOCAL RESIDENTS UP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BRIDGE, AND THE INTENT, AS HE STATED, WAS TO PROVIDE HOTEL MARINA, MORE BOAT SLIPS WHICH ARE ARE NEEDED. THERE'S A ABOUT A THREE YEAR WAITING LIST ON EVERY BOAT SLIP IN THE CITY. LAST TIME I CHECKED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND AS HE STATED, WE HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE WE LEFT TO ADDRESS SOME VERY CRITICAL THINGS LIKE PARKING.

PARKING IS A BIG PROBLEM THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND SOME OF THESE PROPOSED CHANGES TO CODE NEGATIVELY IMPACT PROJECTS LIKE OURS, WHERE WE HAVE SPENT CONSIDERABLE TIME, EFFORT, AND MONEY TO COME UP WITH CREATIVE WAYS TO PARK MIXED USE FACILITIES LIKE LIKE THE ONE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ADD MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, WHICH PER THE PROPOSED CODE, THAT WOULD BE AN EASIER WAY FOR US TO GO. WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE AMENITIES TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, TO VISITORS, TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, AND IT'S JUST BEEN VERY DIFFICULT TO DO SO WHEN THE GOALPOSTS MOVE. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THESE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGES, TAKE SOME TIME, REFLECT AND GET SOME MORE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY. THANKS. ALBERT BRINKLEY. MY NAME IS ALBERT BRINKLEY. MY ADDRESS IS 815 CENTRAL AVENUE. AND I WANT YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND THAT VERY CLEARLY. 815 CENTRAL AVENUE. WHY DO I SAY THAT? BECAUSE THIS CODE ALLOWED THE GUTTER TO BE IN MY NEIGHBOR BACK YARD. THIS CODE ALLOW US TO BE DISTURBED EVERY MORNING BECAUSE OF THIS FORM BASED CODE. I GO BACK FROM THE TIME THIS SUBJECT CAME UP. I'M SITTING IN THE BACK IN THE SAME BUILDING, AND I HEAR THE ONE SITTING UP HERE SAYING, LET'S COMBINE. HE STOOD AND THE CREEK DISTRICT. YOU ALL DON'T KNOW THE CREEK DISTRICT THAT'S CROSSED THE RAILROAD TRACK, COLORADO AVENUE. US ONE THAT WILL SAY, YEAH, LET'S COMBINE. AND PETE WATSON, I SAY IT AGAIN SITTING UP THERE RIGHT WHERE COMMISSIONER COLLINS WAS AND HIS WORDS WAS, YOU ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EASTWOOD IS.

EASTWOOD IS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, CREEK DISTRICT. IT'S A BUSINESS DISTRICT. WHY IN THE

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AND A LOT OF STUFF THAT'S BEEN SAID IS NOT SO. THANK YOU. STOP COMING UP TO THESE MEETING.

Y'ALL NEED TO START LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY. MISS BETTY BRINKLEY. ONE MORE TIME. YOU PUT THAT ON THE LIST. THANK YOU. MR. OKAY. YES, YES. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. AND THANK GOD FOR JESUS AGAIN. THANK YOU. JESUS. AMEN. I'M SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT IT'S LIKE RACIAL. I DON'T I DON'T DENY. AND THERE'S A THEN IT COMES DOWN MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY.

THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR. THAT'S ALL YOU ABOUT. DON'T CARE ABOUT PEOPLE LIVELIHOOD. YOU KNOW, I WORKED HARD TO GET THE HOUSE WHERE I GET 35 YEARS. MAKE IT HARDLY NOTHING AT A JOB, A GOVERNMENT JOB. MARTIN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD. THEY WEREN'T PAYING ME NOTHING. BUT I MANAGED, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, TO GET IT. THEN YOU WANT TO COME OVER THERE AND SAY, YANK IT OUT.

MY GOD, LET HER HAND SAY I AM NOT ENTITLED TO IT. BECAUSE WHAT? I'M IN A BLACK IN A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S A MIXED NEIGHBORHOOD. THEN YOU WANT TO COME OUT THERE AND SNAP FOR YOUR OWN PURPOSE. I LEGEND SOMEBODY SUPPOSED TO BE A I DON'T KNOW HOW TRUE IT IS. A LEGEND OF A GROUP OF REAL ESTATE. SOME OF Y'ALL SUPPOSED TO BE CONNECTED WITH THAT? I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TREAT IT. THAT'S THE RUMOR GOING AROUND. THEN I KNOW WHAT THAT IS ABOUT. IT'S ABOUT THE MONEY. YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT HUMAN LIFE. BUT I STILL SAY THANK GOD FOR GOD. AND ANOTHER THING, BACK IN 2002, SO ME AND MY LATE BROTHER IN LAW, GOD BLESS HIS SOUL, WE GOT TOGETHER, CAME BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION FIGHTING AGAINST WHAT THE CHANGES THEY TRYING TO DO. WE FOUGHT FOR YEARS, FOR YEARS.

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THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, HERE YOU COME WITH THIS HIM ZONING. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT WENT FROM THE RAILROAD TRACK TO PALM BEACH ROAD FROM MARTIN LUTHER KING TO 10TH STREET. NOW, ALLEGEDLY, IS FROM THE RAILROAD TRACK, THE TOP ONE. WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF IT? WHAT? WHAT IS EASTWARD, PLEASE? WHAT IS EASTWARD? WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT YOU CALL EAST. DO IT NOW. WHERE IS EAST STUART? EVERY TIME I TURN AROUND, IT'S A CHANGE. A CODE CHANGE. THAT'S IS TO PUSH US ON OUT. BUT GOD IS A GOOD GOD. HE SITS HIGH AND HE WASHES THE EVIL STUFF YOU'RE DOING. WE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO PAY A PRICE TO THAT OLD MAN OF GOD. WE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY. WE GOING TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCE THAT JUDGMENT DAY. THAT'S. JOHNNY BELL. WROTE THIS FOR US. SO YOU. KNOW, YOU. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JOHNNY BELL. LIVE ON 914 SOUTHEAST HALL STREET IN STUART. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR 78 YEARS, AND I'VE SEEN IT FROM THE BEGINNING ALMOST TO THE END. FIRST OF ALL, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED AS AN ACTIVIST AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN SETTING UP THE URBAN CODE FOR EAST STUART. I CHAIRED THE COMMITTEE. ALL HOMEOWNERS WERE NOTIFIED, AND THERE WERE MEETINGS HELD AT SAINT MONICA'S CHURCH. SO THE URBAN CODE SETS THE TONE FOR EAST STUART. AS FAR AS I KNOW. IF THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE. IT WAS PLANNED TO KEEP EAST STUART A COMMUNITY.

EAST AVENUE WAS DESIGNED BECAUSE OF THE HEYDAY WHEN IT WAS SEGREGATED, AND THEY HAD BUSINESSES THERE, AND SO IT WAS STILL DESIGNED TO KEEP THAT ASPECT OF IT. NOW, I'M ALARMED WHEN YOU SAID THAT THAT ALLOWS FOR FOUR STORY OR OTHER BUILDINGS TO COME IN FIVE FEET.

NOW THAT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED. AS FOR WE'VE BEEN BOMBARDED BY OUTSIDE PEOPLE TRYING TO REZONE EAST STUART, ESPECIALLY EAST AVENUE, AND I'VE BEEN ACTIVE IN STOPPING THOSE REZONINGS. THEY WANTED TO REZONE IT TO A PER. I DID RESEARCH ON A PUG. PUG WAS ORIGINATED IN LONDON. IT WAS DESIGNED TO GET RID OF HIM AND THAT INCLUDES US. SO I'M STANDING HERE SAYING, I GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. GIVE ME SOME CLARIFICATION. WE OKAYED THE CODE. THE CODE CHANGE ON EAST ON MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD. THAT'S ALL. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE'S NO OTHER CHANGES, AM I CORRECT? TARPON? BAHAMA, ALL TO THE WEST OF EAST. WHAT IS ALL BMU AND. ALL THAT? I SAID THAT THREE AND FOUR 40FT. OKAY. THOSE ARE THE PROPOSED CHANGES. THAT'S WHAT'S RIGHT.

WELL, WHO. OKAY. THAT. WHEN DID IT. WHEN WE WERE TOLD IT WAS JUST THE EAST STUART. AND WE CONTINUOUSLY ASK THE QUESTION, JUST MARTIN LUTHER KING, NOT EAST STUART. NO, THEY CHANGED IT. THAT'S WHO CHANGED IT. THE CITY COMMISSION. THAT'S THE EAST. THAT'S SEE, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. WHO WHO WAS NOTIFIED? I'M A HOMEOWNER. I WAS NOTIFIED OF THE CHANGES, SEVERAL MEETINGS AND ON. BUT THAT WASN'T OKAY. OKAY. BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS. AND LENGTHY DISCUSSIONS WITH EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. IT WOULD BE HERE FOREVER. ALL RIGHT. SO BUT YOU CAN ASK YOUR QUESTIONS AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO GET BACK TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY. OKAY. I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. BEFORE I WAS UNDERSTOOD, IT WAS STILL UNDER THE STUART URBAN CODE EAST STUART AND ALL THEY ASKED TO CHANGE WAS EAST OF MARTIN LUTHER KING FOR THE FORM BASED. THAT'S I DON'T THAT'S THAT'S ALL I CAN ALWAYS CLARIFY WITH YOU, MR. BELL. I'LL MAKE A POINT. I'LL MAKE. THANK YOU. BUT. BUT IF WE WILL OPPOSE THAT. YES, SIR. HISTORICALLY. THAT'S WHY WE'RE SLOWING IT DOWN. HISTORICALLY.

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EVERYTHING ELSE WAS ZONED R3, WHICH INCLUDES SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND DUPLEX EVERYTHING ELSE. UNTIL 2004. THAT GOT CHANGED. MARGARET BROMFIELD, YOU ALL HAVE ALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WHEN WE'RE DONE LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC. OH GOD HELP US, JESUS, GUIDE US. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. MY NAME IS MARGARET BRUMFIELD, 1201 SOUTHEAST SANDRA LANE. AS I SIT HERE AND I LISTEN TO THE FOR OR AGAINST THE CHANGES, IT BECOMES VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT EAST STUART IS A GEM.

SO I HEREBY ECHO TO THE RESIDENTS OF EAST STUART TO GET INVOLVED TO THE CHURCHES IN EAST STUART, GET INVOLVED, HELP TO EDUCATE THE RESIDENTS OF EAST STUART TO THE CITY. I SAY EDUCATE THE RESIDENTS. GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE. YOU GUYS ARE ELECTED TO SERVE THE PUBLIC.

IT'S NOT YOUR IT'S NOT YOUR PERSONAL INTEREST. SO I STILL THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE EDUCATION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. CHARLES JONES. COMMISSIONERS AGAIN, SIR. WELL HERE WE GO. ROUND TWO. IT DOES NOT TAKE A WHOLE DAY TO RECOGNIZE SUNSHINE. ALL OF US, AT LEAST THOSE OF US FROM THE EAST STUART COMMUNITY. WE SHOULD BE HAPPY FOR COMMISSIONER COLLINS, BECAUSE WHEN THEY PUT UP MAPS, WHEN THEY TALK TO US AND TERMS THAT WE DO NOT CLEARLY UNDERSTAND, AND YOU JUST BEING HAVING THE WOOL PULLED OVER YOUR EYES BECAUSE YOU DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU NEED SOMEONE TO LAY IT OUT BARE FOR YOU. SO I APPRECIATE YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. Y'ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND. JUST LOOK AROUND YOU AND SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING. YOU CAN SEE IT WITH YOUR OWN EYES. ALL OF US WHO HAVE GROWN UP IN THIS AREA, YOU SEE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HAPPENING. YOU SEE THE AREAS THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN RID OF. YOU SEE THE GROWTH RIGHT AROUND MARTIN COUNTY. NO ONE IS A FOOL. IT DOES NOT TAKE A WHOLE DAY TO RECOGNIZE SUNSHINE. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO OUR TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? THE COMMUNITY IS GONE. THE COMMUNITY IS BEING TURNED OVER. WHAT WILL BE IS WHERE WILL EAST STUART BE IN 20 YEARS? THERE WILL BE NO EAST STUART AND A PLAN FOR IT.

THERE WILL BE NONE. WHO'S GOING TO AFFORD? WHO'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE? IT'S NOT GOING TO BE US. I TRAVEL, I GO TO PLACES. I'VE SEEN HISTORIC PLACES. DO YOU KNOW WHAT HISTORIC PLACES ARE? THEY'RE TOURISTS. THEY'RE TOURIST AREAS. YEAH, THEY'RE TOURIST AREAS. THEY'RE NOT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT THAT GREW UP THERE. THEY'RE NOT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. THEREFORE, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE MONEY. SO ASK YOURSELF THIS. ARE YOU WILLING TO SACRIFICE YOURSELF NOW FOR TOMORROW? JUST BECAUSE STUART CAN BE A PLACE WHERE TOURISTS CAN COME? THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING BEFORE OUR EYES. YES IT IS, I THANK YOU.

PEOPLE WANT TO SAY, HEY, IT LOOKS DISJOINTED. OH, YOU TWO ARE FIGHTING AND BICKERING. NO, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE HAS SOMEONE'S INTEREST IN MIND. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME.

LOOK AT IT, LOOK AT IT. I DON'T NEED TO. I DON'T NEED TO GET UP HERE AND HOLLER. AND YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE ME BECAUSE I'M PASSIONATE. BUT TO ME IT IS. IT IS PRETTY OBVIOUS BETWEEN THE HAVES AND THE HAVE NOTS AND WHAT THE FUTURE LIES. EASTER COMMUNITY IS OURS. YES IT IS.

LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN. EASTER COMMUNITY IS OURS. BUT THINGS ARE BEING DONE TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM US AND TO TAKE IT OVER OUR HEADS. WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO FIGHT THAT. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN. SHOW UP. ABSOLUTELY. HAVE A VOICE. SAY SOMETHING. WE ARE THE ONES WHO PUT THE OFFICIALS. AMEN. RIGHT. IT IS US. SO YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO OUR WILL.

THESE THINGS THAT ARE BEING DONE BEHIND OUR BACKS IN THESE MEETINGS THAT HAPPEN AND CHOICES THAT ARE BEING MADE, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT. DO WE? YEAH. WELL, THERE YOU HAVE IT. SHOW UP HERE. LET'S HAVE ACTION. AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONER COLLINS, I THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YEAH. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE. AND COMMISSIONER REED, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH FOR SURE. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH. KIMBERLY, I GOTTA PUT THE LINK IN THERE TOO. ALRIGHT.

LET'S GO. TO SAY. PARTY. THANK YOU. THANK. YOU. KIMBERLY MCCARTY 5772 SOUTHEAST 47TH

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WE'RE NOT SELLING TO LAND DEVELOPERS. WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING FOR OUR COMMUNITY OURSELVES. WE WOULD LIKE TO HOLD ON TO OUR PROPERTY AND MAYBE PUT IN DUPLEXES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF MIDDLE GROUND THAT WE COULD COME TO SO WE'RE NOT DEPRIVED OF, WE'VE PAID TAXES FOR YEARS ON OUR PROPERTY AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, KATHY PITTMAN. OKAY. YOU CAN HEAR I CAN. HI, I'M KATHY PITTMAN. MY ADDRESS IS 1028 SOUTHEAST 14TH STREET. SO I AM ALL OF YOUR NEIGHBORS. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD TONIGHT. I PERSONALLY HAVE A STAKE IN THIS, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE CITY OF STEWART DOES NOT TAKE CARE OF THEIR RESIDENTS. AS THE CITY ATTORNEY SITS THERE, HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I HAD $100,000 LIEN PLACED AGAINST MY PROPERTY BECAUSE OF SOME ROTTEN SOFFIT, WHICH I HAD CHANGED AND CORRECTED, BUT THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE ME WHEN I SHOWED THEM THE PROOF. SO HERE I HAD $100,000 LIEN AGAINST MY PROPERTY, AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE AWARE THAT THIS IS GOING ON IN THE CITY OF STEWART. AND I THINK IT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE I HAVE AN OLDER HOUSE. IF YOU GUYS NOTICE ALL THE NEW HOMES, THE ROW HOUSES THAT ARE GOING UP. YEAH, MY, MY, I HAVE A DOUBLE LOT. THEY COULD TAKE MY PROPERTY, CUT IT IN HALF AND BUILD TWO ROW HOUSES AND MAKE A TON OF MONEY OFF OF IT. SO I FOUGHT IT, BUT I DIDN'T WIN. AND THAT'S OKAY. BUT I WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING ON. I, I OWN A BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF STEWART AS WELL. I ALSO WORKED ON CORTEZ, WHERE MY FATHER IN LAW OPENED UP HIS INSURANCE AGENCY 60 YEARS AGO. SO MY FAMILY IS AN OLD STEWART FAMILY. THEY DON'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T LIKE YOUR PROPERTY OR THEY DON'T LIKE YOU OR WHATEVER, THEY COME AFTER YOU. SO, YEAH, I HAVE A BONE TO GRIND WITH THEM, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR LITTLE CITY TURNED INTO, LIKE, WHAT YOU REFERRED TO A CITY PLACE THAT IS NOT OUR CITY. THAT IS NOT WHO WE ARE. I'VE BEEN. I'VE LIVED IN THIS IN THIS TOWN FOR 40 YEARS. I FELT VERY DISRESPECTED. NOBODY WOULD RETURN MY CALLS. I FINALLY HAD TO THREATEN THAT I WAS GOING TO CALL MY STATE SENATOR, AND I OWN A BUSINESS AND OWN A PROPERTY HERE IN TOWN. I PAY MY TAXES. I DO WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO, AND THAT'S HOW I GET TREATED. AND I'M SURE OTHER PEOPLE HERE HAVE ALSO HAD LIENS PLACED AGAINST THEIR PROPERTY FOR VERY STUPID REASONS, UNNECESSARY REASONS.

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THEY'VE ALL BEEN INDOCTRINATED BY THEIR COLLEGE PROFESSORS. WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY LEARNED THEIR TRADE? THEY LEARNED IT FROM THESE GLOBALIST ELITES AND THIS BEAUTIFUL PLAN THEY HAVE FOR ALL OF US. SO FOR THIS COMMISSION MAJORITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT, I WILL ALWAYS THANK YOU TO THE PEOPLE OF EAST STUART. THIS HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL EXERCISE, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT FINALLY, I'VE BEEN ASKING YOU GUYS FOR A LONG TIME, YOU NEED TO LOOK UP AT THIS RIGHT HERE AND UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE THREE FRIENDS UP THERE. OKAY? AND IT'S NOT AN ATHEIST AND IT'S NOT SOMEONE WITH A JAMAICAN ACCENT. OKAY. STRAIGHT UP, STRAIGHT UP. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO, JIMMY WILSON. HOW Y'ALL DOING? I'M JIMMY WILSON, 801 TARPON. I THINK ABOUT MY HEAD FOR RESPECT. ALL THESE ALL THESE NAMES YOU USE NAMED GORES DAVIS BALES. I WAS A LITTLE PUP GROWING UP. WE LOOKED AT THEM MEN. WE RESPECTED THEM. THEY TOOK CARE OF THEIR FAMILY. THEY TOOK CARE OF THEIR HOME. AND EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM WILL TELL YOU WE RESPECTED THEM GROWING UP. AND I SIT BACK AND TALK TO THEM. THEY TELL ME STORIES. HOW STEWARD ALTERNATIVE WAS A BLACK SCHOOL WHERE THEY COULDN'T GO OVER THERE NOWHERE. SO ALL THE PEOPLE IN MY COUNTY HAD TO GO TO THAT SCHOOL. AND THE REASON WHY I'M MAD ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE LOOK WHAT THEY TURNED THAT SCHOOL INTO. THAT SHOULD BE PURE HISTORY. EVERYTHING THAT IS HISTORY ABOUT THIS CITY IS STEWARD THAT IS BLACK AND PROUD. WHAT SHOULD BE YOU'RE DESTROYING. YOU'RE

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AND I KNOW THOSE THINGS WERE INSPIRES A BLACK COMMUNITY. THE LITTLE THINGS. AND NOW YOU SITTING UP HERE. SO DISRESPECTFUL FOR WHAT I LOOK FOR THESE AT THESE MEN. HOW Y'ALL TALK TO THEM. HOW Y'ALL PULL THE WOOL OVER THEIR HEAD. ALL BECAUSE THEY WANT TO TRUST YOU TO SHOW US THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME UP HERE AND BE LIKE THIS. YOU CAN HANDLE YOUR BUSINESS A DIFFERENT WAY. YOU CAN HANDLE YOUR BUSINESS THE LEGIT WAY YOU CAN HANDLE YOUR BUSINESS LIKE THIS. AND WHAT YOU DO? PULL THE WOOL OVER THEIR HEAD. AND TO ME, THAT IS SO DISRESPECTFUL TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE I GREW UP IN. LOOK UP TO. AS FAR AS WHO GREW UP IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND IT'S MORE OF ME THAT FEELS THAT WAY, ESPECIALLY ANYBODY MY AGE AND OLDER WHO GREW UP AND RESPECT THESE YOUNG MEN. I MEAN, I'MA CALL THEM YOUNG. SORRY SIRS, Y'ALL KNOW I RESPECT Y'ALL. AND TO SAY THAT NOW YOU COMING AND DOING ALL THIS, DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND THE BLACK CULTURE OF A COMMUNITY? YOU DOING ALL THIS STUFF THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THAT? JUST LIKE YOU TOOK AWAY ALL THE HISTORY OF THIS COMMUNITY. IT WAS A BUILDING IN EAST, A WHITE BUILDING. WE USED TO GROW UP. OH, THAT'S THE SCARY HOUSE. OH, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK UP THERE.

THAT'S THE GHOST. THAT WAS OUR LITTLE THING FOR KIDS. AND THAT'S MY MEMORY. ROSA STOUDEMIRE. OH. HELLO AGAIN. MY NAME IS ROSA STOUDEMIRE. ROSA JACOBS STOUDEMIRE I WASN'T GOING TO COME UP HERE BECAUSE I HAVE A LITTLE TOOTHACHE, BUT I NEED TO SAY THIS. ALL OF YOU THAT ARE SITTING ON THIS BOARD UP HERE, YOU'RE NOT FROM HERE. THE MAJORITY OF YOU, RIGHT? YOU DON'T LIVE HERE. WE LIVE HERE. ALL OF THESE PEOPLE. HERE WE ARE EASTWARD. WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED IN EAST STEWART. WE HAVE SOME VERY, VERY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE SITTING IN HERE. KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED. ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET TOGETHER. LIKE WE SAID, DOWN AT THE CHURCH LAST NIGHT. PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER, TELL YOU ALL WHAT WE WANT. THAT SHOULD BE YOUR FIRST QUESTION TO ASK US WHAT IT IS THAT WE NEED. WHAT DO WE WANT? HOW WE WANT TO HAVE EAST STEWART, MY GRANDMOTHER, GOD REST HER SOUL, SHE WORKED ON THE FLOWER FARM ALL HER LIFE, ON HER KNEES PROVIDING FOR US AND THEN THAT HOME THAT WE ARE IN. IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR HER, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A HOME. SO NOW, OUT OF RESPECT, YOU ALL ARE UP HERE. IF IT WAS YOU, EVERYONE UP HERE, WOULD YOU WANT IT TO HAPPEN TO YOU? WOULD YOU WANT TO GO HOME AND SOMEBODY TELL YOU THE SAME THING? NO. PUT YOURSELF IN OUR PLACE. JUST PUT YOURSELF THERE TO SEE HOW WE FEEL. YOU GO HOME, YOU REST AT NIGHT, YOU GO HOME, YOU SIT AND YOU TALK AMONG YOUR FAMILY AND SAY, WHAT? WE GO HOME DISGUSTED AND WE ARE AGGRAVATED NOT KNOWING HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO GO ON OUR STREET RIGHT NOW. YOU PUT THOSE HOMES UP THERE. I USED TO WORK FOR THIS PERSON THAT WAS IN REAL

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WHAT'S THAT TELLING US? THAT'S RACIAL? I SAID, NO, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT. HE SAID, ROSA, I'M GOING TO GO BACK UP THERE AND TELL THEM THAT YOU ALL DON'T WANT IT. THE THING YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE WAS COME TO US IN THE COMMUNITY, ASK US WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT. WE ARE VERY, VERY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE. WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT. WE WORK LIKE A DOG RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE. AND I DO NOT WANT TO SEE MY GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE BE PUT UP FOR SOME HIGHRISES.

PEOPLE STAND BESIDE US LIKE RAPISTS. YOU DON'T ALREADY PUT THOSE BLUE HOUSES OUT THERE. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE ABOUT. YOU USED TO TELL US WHO WAS COMING. YOU DON'T TELL US ANYTHING NOW. HELLO. AND SO NOW WE HAVE TO WATCH AND WATCH OUR KIDS WALK THE STREET. SO SCARY TO, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T EVEN GO OUT AND PLAY BY THEMSELVES ANYMORE. YOU GUYS, I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU LIKE THAT. BUT I BELIEVE YOU GOT CHILDREN. YOU GOT GRANDCHILDREN. YOU WORRY ABOUT YOUR KIDS. IF YOU DON'T ASK, SOMETHING MUST BE WRONG WITH YOU. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING PUT YOURSELF IN OUR PLACE. KNOW WHAT WE WANT. THINK ABOUT YOU CAN'T MAKE THE DECISION FOR US.

WE HAVE A MIND THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS DECISION. JUST THINK ABOUT IT. GOD IS UP THERE. HE LOOKING AT YOU. WE, THE ONE PUT YOU UP HERE AND WE CAN TAKE YOU OUT OF THERE. SO THINK ABOUT IT. DON'T COME AROUND HERE WHEN IT'S VOTING TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS, THIS AND THIS. AND YOU DON'T DO NOTHING. YOU TRYING TO TAKE OUR PLACE, TAKE OUR HOMES, TAKE WHAT WE HAVE MADE FOR OURSELVES. SO NOW I'M THROUGH. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? AT THE END OF THE DAY, I GAVE IT TO GOD. GOD GOING TO WORK IT OUT HIS WAY. AMEN. THANK YOU, MISS SANDRA PETERSON. HELLO, I'M SANDRA PEASE AND I LIVE AT 721 SOUTH CENTRAL AVENUE. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR Y'ALL. WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR US TO PROPERTY OWNERS, LANDOWNERS TO RECEIVE INFORMATION ABOUT WHEN THINGS ARE GOING TO BE CHANGED, LIKE THEY WENT THROUGH THE ZONING CHANGE AND WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT? IT'S A LOT OF ELDERLY FOLKS OUT THERE THAT CAN'T RUN A COMPUTER. FAMILY MEMBERS DON'T BRING THEM THE INFORMATION. IS IT ANYTHING THAT WE CAN RECEIVE IN THE MAIL THAT GOING ON THAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE INFORMATION THAT'S GOING ON, TO LET US KNOW SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON WITH REZONING INSTEAD OF JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVING IT WITHOUT US KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO I'M, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY SAYING WHEN WE RECEIVE PAPERWORK IN THE MAIL, I'M SAYING THIS AND THAT, THAT AND THIS OR NOT, JUST BY COMING HERE TO DO THE MEETING. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE IF SOMEBODY MAKES A CHANGE THERE THAT YOU SEE THAT BLUE SIGN AND YOU GET NOTIFICATION, OKAY, SO YOU CAN COME IN AND SPEAK TO IT OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MA'AM. YEAH. COME ON. AND MISTER WALTER LLOYD. SURE. PUBLIC NOTIFICATION. OH I MEAN GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. JUST LIKE ONE OF THE PREVIOUS. OH, MY NAME IS TOM LLOYD. 150 SOUTHWEST CABANA POINT CIRCLE. AND JUST LIKE ONE OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS MENTIONED, I DO WANT TO THANK NOT ONLY COMMISSIONER COLLINS, BUT COMMISSIONER GIOVI AND COMMISSIONER READ, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN COMING TO THESE MEETINGS FOR A WHILE. PROBABLY NOT AS LONG AS MANY OF YOU, BUT I HAVE WATCHED HOW THESE THINGS WORK. I'VE WATCHED HOW MONEY DRIVES DECISIONS AND THEN CONCERN FOR THE PUBLIC DRIVES. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS. WE GOT A COUPLE THAT ARE HERE NOW THAT REPRESENT THAT SAME MENTALITY, AND WE'VE

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I'M SUSAN O'ROURKE. THANK YOU. HOW ARE YOU RIGHT NOW? A MOTHER, CONSULTANT AND A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF STUART AND HAVE BEEN FOR 24 YEARS. I JUST WANT TO SAY TWO THINGS. ONE, I AM A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, BUT, YOU KNOW, I AM RETIRED. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHO'S PULLING THE WOOL OVER WHOSE EYES. THIS CODE THAT WE HAVE TODAY IN STUART HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2004, AND YET WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THE THINGS THAT MR. COLLINS HAS SHOWN. AND I THINK THAT BACK WHEN THIS ALL OCCURRED AND THE PEOPLE WERE HAVING THE MEETINGS, THERE WERE DIFFERENT VISIONS THAT THE FORM BASED CODE CAN ALLOW. IT HAS THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO WHAT MR. COLLINS HAS SUGGESTED, BUT IT ALSO HAS THE ABILITY TO DO THINGS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE RESIDENTS WANT TO SEE. SO THERE WAS A COUPLE OR A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS WHO TALKED ABOUT THE COMMON GROUND, BECAUSE I FEAR THAT THIS IS PULLING THE WOOL OVER PEOPLE'S EYES, THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE INVESTED IN THE REAL ESTATE, WHO HAVE INVESTED IN THEIR HOMES, WHO'VE BEEN THERE FOR GENERATIONS, THEY HAD A CONCEPT OF WHAT THEY MIGHT LIKE TO SEE, AND PERHAPS THIS DOESN'T DO IT. SO I DO THINK THAT BEFORE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS VOTED ON, THAT YOU DO GET TO THE MEETINGS OF THE MIND AND LET SEE IF WHAT THE VISION THAT PEOPLE HAVE IN THAT COMMUNITY CAN BE DONE WITH THIS PROCESS. AND IF IT CANNOT BE DONE, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE A MEETING OF THE MINDS AND MAKE A TWEAK TO THIS. THE SECOND THING I HAVE IS JUST A VERY TECHNICAL ISSUE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH THE PARKING. I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN THERE'S NO PARKING. WHEN I WAS ON THE LPA, I HAD SUGGESTED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AT THE TIME THAT WE WERE GIVING AWAY PARKING AND THAT WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WE WERE DOING. I JUST DON'T THINK WE TAKE A TOOL THAT'S USEFUL, LIKE SHARED PARKING, OR OFF SITE PARKING, OR IN LIEU PARKING AND LIMIT IT TO THE WAY THAT YOU'RE DOING NOW. IT'S GOING TO HURT THE OPPORTUNITIES AND NOT ONLY IN EAST STUART, BUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF STUART. I DO HAVE A FORMER CLIENT WHO NO LONGER PAYS ME, SO I'M UP HERE JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE WRONG THING TO DO. I THINK THOSE TOOLS NEED TO

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THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I HAVE NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. OH WOW.

ANYBODY ELSE? DO WE WANT TO MAKE A DECISION ON JUST THIS SECTION OR ALLOW STAFF TO CONTINUE TO PRESENT ON THE ENTIRE THING? AND THEN IT'S MY BREAK. TAKE A BREAK. SURE. LET'S TAKE A BREAK.

FIVE MINUTES. NO, WE'LL TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK. WE'LL RECESS UNTIL IT'S 8:00. PUBLIC COMMENT, ONE MORE COMMENT. IT'S JUST ONE TAKE IT DOWN. SOMEBODY'S GOT TO PAY FOR IT.

YES I KNOW OKAY OKAY. LET'S GO. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. WE HAVE ONE MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'LL TAKE MY STAFF REPORT SOMETIMES. QUIET, PLEASE. QUIET SO WE CAN GET. OR. SORRY. GOOD EVENING, MIKE BENEDETTI SIX. PERIWINKLE CIRCLE AND STEWART, I TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME BRIEFLY ABOUT THE ASKING TO INCLUDE SALONS, BARBERSHOPS AND COSMETOLOGY INTO THE R3 DISTRICT. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY MY POSITION ON THAT, MAINLY BECAUSE A FLORIDA STATUTE, I THINK IT WAS IN AFTER COVID IN 2021 THAT THEY ALLOWED COSMETOLOGY PLACES TO OPERATE OUT OF A HOUSE. AND IN THE R3. ONE OF THE HANGUPS WAS PROBABLY THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S PART RESIDENTIAL ALSO. BUT THROUGH THE STATUTE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. SO IT'S KIND OF ALREADY A PERMITTED USE THROUGH THE FLORIDA STATUTES. BUT. SO I WAS JUST BRINGING IT UP AGAIN FOR YOU TO CONSIDER ADDING THAT AS A PERMITTED USE, NOT TO REZONE EVERYTHING, JUST ADD A PERMITTED USE FOR SALONS AND BARBERSHOPS, BECAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE BEFORE THE FLORIDA STATUTES CHANGE, THAT THEY COULDN'T OPERATE SALONS AND STUFF OUT OF RESIDENCES. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS FOR 2021. SO THIS IS PROBABLY BEEN WAY BEFORE THAT. SO I WAS JUST BRINGING THAT UP ONE MORE TIME JUST FOR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIOBBI. YES, DOCTOR BENEDETTI REACHED OUT TO ME TODAY. AND BASICALLY, I KNOW SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS WERE CONCERNED BECAUSE OF THE ADDING OF SALONS TO THE R3 DISTRICT WOULD THEN INCLUDE SALONS IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THE FLORIDA ADMINISTRATIVE CODE, CHAPTER 61 520 .002 CONTAINS A REQUIREMENT THAT ALLOWS HOMES TO HAVE SALONS IN THEIR HOMES. SO THAT THAT FEAR THAT I THINK SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAD REALLY DOESN'T EXIST, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A HOME, YOU COULD TURN CERTAINLY TURN AROUND AND PUT A SALON IN THERE. AND I HAVE TO SAY, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE AND WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT ARE SMALL BUSINESSES KEEPING BUSINESSES, LOOKING FOR BUSINESSES, SMALL BUSINESSES TO COME TO. STUART, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT AND TO JUST ADD TO THAT R3 CODE SALON. AND I THINK I DON'T KNOW IF JODY'S STILL HERE, BUT SHE MAY NOT BE. HEY, THERE SHE IS. THERE SHE IS. YES. I'M HERE. OH, AND THAT MIGHT BE THE ONE THING THAT IS THE ADDITION IS JUST ADD THE TYPE OF BUSINESSES AND IT WOULD BE SALON. CURRENTLY COSMETOLOGISTS MASSAGE. THEY'RE ALL IN THAT LIST. SO I THINK JUST ADDING A SALON, ALLOWING A SMALL BUSINESS TO FLOURISH AND GO FORWARD IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. COMMISSIONER SELBY, CAN I JUST ASK MR. BAGGOTT TO PERHAPS EXPLAIN WHY THAT MIGHT NOT SEEM SO? MAY SEEM SIMPLE, BUT WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ENTAILED FOR US TO MAKE THAT CHANGE? WE WOULD. WE CAN'T DO IT NOW AS PART OF THIS, I KNOW I'M ASKING BACK, BUT I THINK HIS PROBLEM IS HE'S IN AN R3 ZONING IN THE STATUTE THAT YOU'RE THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE THAT YOU WERE REFERENCING PERTAINS TO IN YOUR HOME. IT'S NOT IN HIS HOME THAT HE'S WANTING TO DO THE SALON. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT APPLES AND APPLES, IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES. SO YEAH, I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO ADD A USE THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT A USE IN R3 DISTRICT, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A CHANGE. I WASN'T TRYING TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES. I WAS ACTUALLY SAYING, YOU HAVE ORANGES IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA WHERE YOU CAN PUT A SALON IN YOUR HOME. AND WE'RE SAYING, WELL, WE CAN'T PUT A SALON IN.

SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS WERE CONCERNED BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD ALLOW RESIDENTS TO HAVE SALONS, BUT THEY CAN HAVE IT ANYWAY IF IT'S THEIR RESIDENCE. THEY'RE A BUSINESS. WE'RE JUST ASKING TO ADD IT TO THE LIST. AND I THINK THAT IS SIMPLER THAN THAN WE'VE MADE IT TO BE. I JUST THINK IT JUST GOT OUT OF CONTEXT. I THINK MAYBE SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR. MAYBE ON THE NEXT MOTION FOR THE NEXT MEETING, WE COULD PUT THAT ON THERE, BUT WE WOULD HAVE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS. MR. BAGGOTT. CORRECT. AND IT WOULD BE LIKE

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RIGHT. BUT WHEREAS YOU CAN HAVE A SALON IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, CORRECT. ONE ONE IN, ONE OUT. OKAY. I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO HAVE A LENGTHY DISCUSSION WITH EVERYBODY. HE HAS MADE HIS HE YEAH, HE'S MADE HIS WISHES KNOWN. HE'S SPOKEN WITH ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND WE CAN INVESTIGATE WHAT WOULD BE. HIM. NO, YOU COULD COME BACK AND I THINK IT COULD BE DISCUSSED MORE IN DETAIL. I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO BE CUT OFF. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER REED. THANK YOU. THANKS. THANK YOU. I CAN I CAN COMMUNICATE VERY WELL. THANKS, RICH, I THINK I THINK, DANE, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT TOO? YOU WERE ASKING ME ABOUT COMMENT BEFORE THE BREAK. YES. YOU CAN COMMENT ON. THERE YOU GO. HE'S READY. THIS ONE. I JUST FEEL LIKE THE NEW CODE OR THE FORMLESS CODE IS PRETTY MUCH LIKE PUNCHING EVERYBODY IN EAST STEWART IN THE FACE, IN MY OPINION. I JUST I JUST DON'T SEE HOW IT COULDN'T GENTRIFY THE WHOLE AREA. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE EVER TRAVELED OR SEEN THE EFFECTS OF GENTRIFICATION AND WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO. THERE'S ALL THESE TERMS BEING THROWN LIKE CRA. I DON'T EVEN KNOW ALL THE TERMS, BUT THIS IS PRETTY MUCH A MEETING ABOUT SAVING EAST STEWART OR COMPLETELY DESTROYING IT. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THIS MEETING IS ABOUT. OR THIS SECTION, I SHOULD SAY. AND I JUST REALLY, SERIOUSLY HOPE WE DON'T GO WITH THIS FORMLESS CODE. AND I'M PRAYING FOR YOU, STEWART. GOD BLESS. THANK. YES. THANK YOU. SO DO WE WANT TO MAKE A DECISION REGARDING THIS SECTION OR GO THROUGH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT I HAVE NONE. OH, DID WE GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE EAST STEWART FORM BASED CODE, OR DID WE JUST FOCUS ON THE PERMITTED USES? WE JUST HIT THIS. THIS SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY ONE THAT PERHAPS WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER IN A DIFFERENT MANNER. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE EAST STEWART CODE. IS IT? CERTAINLY, COMMISSIONER CLARK? YES. GO AHEAD. I WAS GOING TO ASK MISS. THE SAME THING THAT YOU HAVE UP THERE NOW, WHICH IS FIGURE OH EIGHT PERMITTED USES IN THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD. MISS KOOGLER. SO YOU HAVE DOWN TO HOME OCCUPATION. SO THAT'S THE FIRST PART ON THE ON THE RESIDENTIAL USES. AND THEN WE HAVE THE BUSINESS. THE, THE MULTIFAMILY

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THAT'S WHAT THIS TABLE IS SHOWING. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. A PERMITTED USE BY RIGHT. AND THEN EVERYTHING THAT PROBABLY HAS AN AN A, WHICH WOULD BE ALLOWED WITH THE CHECK MARK CROSS THROUGH ALLOWED WITH A CONDITIONAL USE IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT. SO IF SOMEBODY COULD NOT LET'S SAY FOR THE DUPLEX DWELLING UNITS RIGHT THERE ON THE SECTION 3.02. SO OKAY. SO ORIGINALLY THAT WAS ONLY ALLOWED ON THE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX. IT WAS NOT ALLOWED ON THE BMU. IT WAS NOT ALLOWED ON THE SUGGESTION NOW IS THAT IT BE ALLOWED ON THE BMU. IT BE ALLOWED ON THE G. BUT IT HAS TO IT HAS TO COME IN UNDER THE WITH WITH COMMISSION. THERE'S A GO UP A LITTLE BIT JODY WHERE THAT RED ONE IS FOR ANYTHING THAT'S IN RED WITH THE CHECK MARK IS AN ALLOWABLE USE APPROVED WITH A RESOLUTION THROUGH A CITY COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. AND THAT PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS HAS AN EXPRESSION. I THINK JODY WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE ONE FOR CONDITIONAL USE, BUT YOU HAVE TO NOTIFY, I THINK MISS PETERSON ASKED ABOUT HOW TO NOTIFY IF YOU'RE COMING IN WITH SOMETHING THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH THIS REQUIREMENT, YOU NOTIFY EVERYBODY WITHIN 300FT. THOSE GET A CERTIFIED NOTICE. THEN THEY HAVE TO PUT UP A SIGN. WE CALL IT THE BLUE SIGN. YOU PUT UP A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN IF IT'S SOMETHING BIG, THEN USUALLY SOMEBODY COULD PUT SIGNS OUT IF THEY GET PERMISSION TO OR WHATEVER METHOD THEY USE TO ALLOW OTHER HOMEOWNERS IN THE AREA TO KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS HAPPENING. YOU READ YOUR NEWSPAPER, WE STILL ADVERTISE IN THE NEWSPAPER, AND THEN WE HAVE THE WEBSITE. NOT EVERYBODY HAS THE WEBSITE, BUT THE WEBSITE DOES GIVE INFORMATION FOR WHEN THE CITY IS DOING ACTIVITIES.

AND WE MEET EVERY SECOND MONDAY AND EVERY FOURTH MONDAY AT THE MONTH. FIRST MONDAY IS 4 P.M, THE NEXT TIME IS 5:30 P.M, OR IF THERE'S SOME OTHER MEETING IN FRONT. BUT ESSENTIALLY PEOPLE CAN BE NOTIFIED OF THIS. SO THE CURRENT THING, WHICH CARRIED OVER FROM THE 2004 EAST STEWART PLAN, I THINK, WHICH MR. BELL AND I WILL CALL NAMES, MR. BELL MENTIONED CAREFULLY ABOUT HOW THEY PLANNED THIS. HE AND THAT'S WHY HE WAS KIND OF SURPRISED WHEN BIG THINGS LIKE ABACOA IS IT ABACOA? WHAT'S THE NAME? SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD GO IN WAS THAT THOSE THINGS COULD NOT GO INTO EAST STEWART. BUT RECENTLY THAT WAS SUGGESTED DURING THIS PROCESS THAT LET'S ALLOW EVERYTHING, BUT THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND GET THE CITY'S PERMISSION. THAT'S NOT TRUE.

OKAY. ALL OF THE I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE. OKAY. HOLD ON. LET ME I'M GOING TO ASK JODY TO EXPLAIN. IF I DON'T EXPLAIN, LET LET LET ME JUST LET JODY EXPLAIN. SO. OKAY. OKAY. HOLD ON I DON'T KNOW. IT SAYS NUMBER FOUR AND ALLOWABLE USE APPROVED WITH THE RESOLUTION THROUGH CITY COMMISSION. OKAY. I WILL STOP BEING A LAWYER COMMISSIONER. AND I'M GOING TO LET JODY EXPLAIN WHAT'S ON THAT BOARD. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CLARK. SO THE NUMBER FOUR WAS SUGGESTED. AND AFTER LOOKING AT THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND TALKING WITH OTHER COLLEAGUES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF ALWAYS IS TRYING TO DO IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PROCESS. SO INSTEAD OF AN A, WE WOULD LIKE TO DELETE NUMBER FOUR AND PUT IT JUST EVERYTHING THAT HAS AN A, PUT A Q, WHICH WOULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE BECAUSE THERE'S AN APPLICATION PROCESS WHICH HELPS STAFF WHEN WE'RE DOING THOSE ANALYSIS AND HOW WE'RE HOW WE'RE DIRECTING APPLICANTS AND WHAT'S REQUIRED, INSTEAD OF JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IS IT JUST A RESOLUTION, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC NOTICE PROCESS? SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO IS REMOVE NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS ALL THE A'S, AND REPLACE THEM WITH SEE YOU AS THE SAME AS NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR CODE. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS.

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BUT THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING THIS RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE ARE EXPANDING THE USE BY, WELL, WE ARE, BUT WE'RE NOT. ALL OF THOSE CHECK MARKS IS WHAT WE'VE HAD SINCE WITH FORM BASED CODE. THIS PROCESS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE ZIP IS TO ONLY ALLOW THAT WITH CONDITIONAL USE. SO IT COMES IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY. YOU'RE SAYING IT'S THE OPPOSITE, THAT THE ZIP IS ADDING MIXED USE. AND ABACO. THAT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD EVEN. ARE YOU CONFUSED. ARE YOU KNOW I'M NOT I'M NOT I'M NOT CONFUSED WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DO IT BY CONDITIONAL USE. ALL THE BLACK CHECK MARKS. JODY, PLEASE EXPLAIN THE BLACK CHECK MARKS.

SO THE BLACK CHECK MARKS WERE WHEN WE PULLED THIS OFF, THE FORM BASED CODE. ALL THE BLACK CHECK MARKS AND ONES THAT ARE CROSSED OUT WERE BLACK AS WELL. CORRECT. THEY ARE THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ANY TYPE OF APPROVAL PROCESS.

ESSENTIALLY WILL JUST BE SINGLE FAMILY. AND IN THE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX, THE DUPLEX DWELLING UNITS, THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, AND ALSO FAMILY DAYCARE AND GROUP HOMES AND HOME OCCUPATION. OTHER THAN THAT IN YOUR BUSINESS, MIXED USE AND YOUR GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OFFICE, EVERYTHING OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY WILL HAVE TO REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE EXCEPT FOR HOME OCCUPATIONS, BECAUSE THEY ARE PREEMPTED BY THE STATE. WE WOULD ALSO THE CITY ATTORNEY HE BECAUSE HE INDICATED HE WANTED TO SPEAK FOR YOU, MR. VICE MAYOR. YEAH. JODY IS STARTING TO CLARIFY IT, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS WERE AWARE. YES. JODY IS ASKING EVERYWHERE. AND JODY, IF YOU CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT PAGE AS WELL. YES, BECAUSE THE CHART CONTINUE.

ANYWHERE THERE IS A RED A, SHE IS ASKING THAT TO BE REPLACED WITH A SEE YOU. NOW FORGET ABOUT ALL THE RED MARKS UP THERE AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT'S BLACK. RIGHT THERE ARE, THERE IS ALREADY. SEE YOU IN THIS CHART WHICH IS CONDITIONAL USE. A IS WHAT WAS ASKED TO BE PLACED INSTEAD OF THE CHECK MARKS. BUT THERE'S NO PROCESS AND PROCEDURE IN OUR CODES TO GO THROUGH DEVELOPMENT TO GET A CORRECT. THERE IS A PROCESS AND A PROCEDURE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH IS THE SEE YOU. SO SHE'S JUST THERE. THE INTENT IS TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IN A CONDITIONAL USE. SO THERE WE'RE ALREADY USING CONDITIONAL USE IN THIS CHART. SHE'S JUST ASKING INSTEAD OF PLACING THE ALLOWABLE AND USING CONDITIONAL USE. NO. HOLD ON. YOU JUST SAID THE SAME THING AGAIN THAT WE'RE EXPANDING USE RIGHT NOW. NO, NO, WE'RE EXPANDING THE REQUIREMENT FOR CONDITIONAL USE. WHAT LEE'S ASKING IS TO PUT A SEE YOU BECAUSE IT FLOWS THROUGHOUT THE CITY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE INSTEAD OF HAVING AN A. YEAH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. AND WHAT'S UP THERE IS UP THERE. WELL THIS IS WHAT WAS THIS WAS ATTACHED AS THE. RECOMMENDED CODE REVISIONS.

BUT SHE'S ASKING YOU WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT MORE RECENTLY. SHE'S ASKING THAT INSTEAD OF AN A THAT WE YOU WHEN YOU'RE VOTING TO ADOPT THIS THAT IT WILL BE SEE YOU NOT A I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ISSUE WITH THAT. RIGHT. SO IN THE CODE UP A AND CONDITIONAL USE ARE ONE IN THE SAME. WE JUST DON'T HAVE A PROCEDURE IN PLACE TO DO AN A. WE DO HAVE A PROCEDURE IN PLACE TO DO A SEE YOU. RIGHT. SO AND THE CHARTS ALREADY USING SEE YOU. SO IT WOULD BE VERY IT'D BE CONFUSING TO PEOPLE TRYING INCLUDING OURSELVES FROM READING THE CODE. AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT BACK UP, BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT IT HADN'T BEEN CHANGED, BECAUSE I GUESS WE'RE NOT. YOU KNOW, I HAD THE OLD REPRINT, BUT I DIDN'T EVEN CHANGE MINE BECAUSE THE SAME THING IS IN THE IN THE NEW, EVEN IN FORM BASED. YES. THOSE WERE ALL THE ALLOWABLE USES. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT ADDING THOSE USES. NOW, I DON'T BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CLARK IS MAKING THAT CLAIM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO JUST JUST I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANT. AND ESPECIALLY SINCE THE DOCTOR BROUGHT UP THE SALON.

WHERE IS THE SALON IN THIS PART OF THE ESN? OH EIGHT, PLEASE, JODY. COMMISSIONER CLARK, HE IS NOT LOCATED IN THE EAST. STUART. NO, NO, I'M SAYING SALON IN HERE. WHERE DO WE HAVE SALON IN EAST STUART UNDER BARBERSHOPS, BEAUTY SHOPS, SALONS AND SPECIALTY SALONS. YOU CAN GO DOWN TO THAT PLEASE. ON THE COMMERCIAL USES RIGHT HERE. WE'RE NOT HIDING ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY. AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ THIS STUFF. AND SINCE WE HAVE IT HERE, LET'S JUST PULL IT UP AND LET PEOPLE SEE IT. OKAY, SO THERE'S SALONS RIGHT THERE ON THE COMMERCIAL

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SO THEY DON'T HAVE LIKE A GUTTER SITUATION. BUT IT'S EXPENSIVE. I JUST I KNOW THAT IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT. AND PEOPLE ALWAYS COME HERE AND HAVE THINGS. BUT YOU'RE SAYING IF IT'S IF THERE'S NO NEED FOR THEM TO COME HERE, IF IT'S NOT A PUD OR SOMETHING, IF IT'S A STRAIGHT ZONING, IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT AND DONE. BUT WE JUST HAVE TO KNOW THAT WHEN THIS THING HAPPENS AND IF THINGS HAPPEN LIKE THIS WHERE EVERYTHING IS UNDER A CONDITIONAL USE, IT IS GOING TO TRIGGER NOT JUST THE REGULAR PARKING AND DRAINAGE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT A DEVELOPER NEEDS TO DO, BUT IT IS GOING TO JUST TO PREPARE IT TO COME IN ON THE CONDITION, I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT YOU CAN JUST COME IN WITH A, WITH A I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER REED. YOU COULD COULD COME IN WITH A LITTLE DRAFT PIECE LIKE THE BACK OF A, THE PROVERBIAL BACK OF A NAPKIN PLAN WHERE YOU COULD JUST BRING IN SOMETHING. AND I DON'T THINK THAT JODI READ A WHOLE LONG LIST OF ABOUT 17 THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO COME IN AND MEET THE REQUIREMENTS TO BRING IN A GOOD PLAN THAT WILL PASS MUSTER FOR THEM TO LOOK AT. THEN IT HAS TO COME TO THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMISSION TO GET REVIEWED. RIGHT? YEAH. MR. REED, ARE YOU ARE YOU DONE, COMMISSIONER CLARK? YES. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER REED. YEAH, THIS THIS MIGHT BE FOR JODY. SO, JODY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE TOOK URBAN CENTER, COULD YOU DO ANY OF THESE THINGS BY RIGHT, AN URBAN CENTER, AN URBAN CENTER OR URBAN CENTER HAS ITS OWN.

CORRECT. BUT JUST JUST SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE BECAUSE IT GETS THROWN OUT A LOT BY. RIGHT.

PERMITTED. THAT'S A GOOD POINT, COMMISSIONER. SO LET'S GO TO URBAN CENTER WHERE I LIVE, AND LET'S SEE IF I CAN DO ANY OF THESE THINGS BY RIGHT, JUST SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD THAT'S A GOOD THING TO DO. SO IN YOUR URBAN CODE USES, IT'S BASICALLY YOUR PARKING TABLE. SO THESE ARE ALL PERMITTED USES BY RIGHT. IN THE URBAN DISTRICTS. IS THERE ANYTHING. NOT BY RIGHT YOU'RE IN THE YOU'RE IN THE PARKING THOUGH RIGHT NOW. YEAH. THAT IS THAT IS THE THAT IS THE PERMITTED USE TABLE IS THE PARKING. IF YOU READ. I'M SORRY I DON'T MEAN TO BE. SO IF YOU READ F TWO URBAN CODE DISTRICT USES. THE FOLLOWING USES ARE PERMITTED IN ALL EXCLUSIVE, INDIVIDUALLY OR COMBINATION OR IN URBAN CODE, SUBJECT TO REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO FORMULA BUSINESSES AND 2.06.12. SO THESE USES THE LAND USES THAT TO THE LEFT SIDE ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT DUPLEXES, DUPLEXES, HOTELS, ROOMING HOUSES, ADULT DAYCARE, CHILDCARE. YEAH. AND I DID WANT THE MOTHER. MAY I STOP? I'M NOT FINISHED YET. SO WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. SO THESE ARE PERMITTED BY. RIGHT. SO WHEN MY FAMILY BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY AND I LIVE THERE NOW, I KNOW WHAT IT'S BY RIGHT PERMITTED FOR THIS WAS CHANGED IN 2023 TO ADD MORE SO THE COMMUNITY MIGHT NOT WANT IT. AND THAT'S WHERE THE SPLITS COMING FROM. JUST SO THE PUBLIC IS AWARE THEY CAN CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW DO ALL OF THE SAME STUFF BY. RIGHT. BUT THE COMMUNITY WANTS THEIR VOICES HEARD. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU DO A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR YOU. AND THE URBAN CORE AND CREEK DISTRICT ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN EAST STEWART. SO SHOULD THAT. SAME KIND OF THE URBAN CENTER, ALL OF THOSE SAME USES BE BY RIGHT AND A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD? I MEAN, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO CAME HERE TONIGHT, WELL, WHAT I WAS GETTING AT IS I'M IN A VERY MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD. LET'S TAKE SOMETHING OFF EAST OCEAN, GO TO DOLPHIN. LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN DO ANYTHING BESIDES A SINGLE

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JUST JUST OUR THREE RICH. I'M NOT DONE. NO, NO, RICH, I'M ALLOWING YOU TO SPEAK. BUT THIS HAPPENED THE LAST TIME WHEN IT BECAME A FREE FOR ALL. I REALLY WANT THE PUBLIC. I WANT YOU TO FINISH. COMMISSIONER. READ IT IS THE VICE MAYOR WHO KEEPS INTERRUPTING. ALL I'M ASKING IS YOU ASK TO BE RECOGNIZED. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER REED. JUST SO WE CAN SEE IN THE PUBLIC'S AWARE WHAT'S GOING ON. SO BASICALLY, IT TURNED EAST STUART INTO A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU CAN LOOK BACK AT THE ZONING MAP FROM MAP FROM 1978. AND IT WAS PREDOMINANTLY R ONE AND R THREE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OR SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ALWAYS BEEN MIXED USAGE. WE CAN GO WAY BACK. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU CAN LOOK OFF OF EAST OCEAN DOLPHIN. THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IMAGINE IF YOU WENT THERE AND GAVE THEM THIS CODE, IT'D BE COMPLETELY URBANIZED AND YOU COULD DO EVERYTHING BY RIGHT. THAT'S WHERE THE DISCUSSION IS COMING FROM. THANK YOU. I'M DONE. SO. OBVIOUSLY THE FOCUS OF OUR ATTENTION IS THIS TABLE, WHICH WE ARE NOW CHANGING EVERYTHING TO CONDITIONAL USE. DO WE WANT TO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DEAL JUST WITH THIS, AND THEN ALLOW JODY TO FINISH THE STAFF PRESENTATION ON THE REMAINING SECTIONS, AND THEN VOTE ON ALL THE REMAINING ELEMENTS THAT CAN I SPEAK TO ME? IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR HOW EVERYBODY FELT. SO I KNOW THE MAP AMENDMENT, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESTORING THE ZONING IN EAST STUART TO RESIDENTIAL, I DO BELIEVE 100% NEEDS TO COME WITH A MEETING AT 10TH STREET AND NEEDS TO COME WITH THE ABILITY TO HAVE A POWER POINT, ALL OF US THERE, AND TO GO HISTORICALLY OVER WHAT THESE PARCELS HAVE BEEN. TARPON RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ON, HEY, WE WANT IT TO EITHER STAY RESIDENTIAL OR ACTUALLY, NO, WE WANT IT TO BE BUSINESS. WE WANT IT TO BE COMMERCIAL AND TO GO THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I DO BELIEVE THAT. BUT UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE JUST IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, THIS CHART, I BELIEVE, MATCHES WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS. THEY WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MIXED USE TYPE DEVELOPMENT. THESE DIFFERENT USES TRIGGER A PUBLIC MEETING SO THEY CAN HAVE INPUT, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL BY, YOU KNOW WHAT I HEARD TONIGHT, PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE A SAY ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THEIR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IF WE WANT TO BE JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION. SO WE'RE NOT UPSETTING THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS OVER THERE. WE COULD ADD THIS INTO A MEETING AT 10TH STREET AS WELL. WHEN WE DO THAT MAP AMENDMENT, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE ASAP, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING AS SOON AS WE CAN GET IT ADVERTISED, SO THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO SEPARATE THIS AND PULL THIS OUT FROM THE ZIP, THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH IT QUICKLY. BECAUSE AS OF TODAY, RIGHT NOW, I FEEL THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS EXPOSED UNNECESSARILY BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND HOW WE'VE ZONED IT. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO PULL IT OUT, MY ONLY REQUEST WOULD BE THAT WE DEAL WITH THIS IMMEDIATELY. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THIS, VICE MAYOR, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU. HEY. BUT JUST TO INFORM YOU, SINCE THE FORM BASED CODE WAS INSTITUTED, ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME HAS BEEN BUILT AND ONE DUPLEX. THAT IS THE TORRENT OF OVERWHELMING DEVELOPMENT FORM BASED CODE HAS UNLEASHED IN TWO YEARS. ONE HOME, ONE DUPLEX. SO I. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE HAVE THAT GREAT A SENSE OF PERIL. WELL, THERE IS THE GUTTER COMPANY. I THINK THAT'S YOU KNOW OKAY. YEAH.

OKAY. BUT THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE FORM BASED CODE. I AGREE. IT'S REALLY WAS ALL I WAS ASKING FOR ON WEDNESDAY. IT'S EVIDENT THIS IS COMPLICATED FOR US. IT'S COMPLICATED FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN EAST STUART. I THOUGHT THE POINT MADE BY THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE TWICE. HE SAID, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. GROW. IT'S OKAY THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE, BUT YOU DO NEED WE DO NEED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN THAT. I SAT THROUGH A YEAR AND A HALF OF FORM BASED CODE MEETINGS HERE IN EAST STUART AT 10TH STREET, AND PEOPLE, THEY STILL COME UP AND

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I COMPLETELY AGREE. AND IF YOU'RE IF WE FEEL THAT WE CAN TABLE THIS, JUST THIS ONE ELEMENT, WHAT'S WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? COMMISSIONER. GEE. COMMISSIONER.

CLARK. I MY LIGHT WAS ON FIRST, BUT I'M SORRY. THEN, COMMISSIONER JOBY. GO AHEAD. CAN I GO? CERTAINLY, MAYOR. WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, I WANT TO TAKE ON THIS NOTE WHERE THE TWO OF YOU WERE IN AGREEMENT. AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. AND I HAVE A NOTE HERE THAT THE EARLIEST, I GUESS, WAS THE THIRD THURSDAY IN MARCH WOULD BE THE 20TH TO PUT ALL OF THESE PRESENTATIONS TOGETHER, MAYBE HAVE HANDOUTS WHERE PEOPLE, RATHER THAN ALSO LOOKING AT A SCREEN, HAVE IT IN FRONT OF THEM. ALL OF THE CODES BE EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT WE HAVE A MEETING AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER. IT GIVES US TIME TO BASICALLY ADVERTISE IT ON THE ON THE WEBSITE. WE HAVE SET PLAN FOR STAFF TO BE THERE, FOR NOTES TO BE TAKEN, TO BE VIDEOGRAPHED FOR. YES. RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT IF THAT'S A MOTION I CAN MAKE, THAT WE COULD MOVE FORWARD TO AGREE ON THAT MOTION FOR THE NEXT MEETING. THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO REVIEW TWO THINGS IN PARTICULAR. ONE IS, IS THIS CHART AND THEN SECONDARILY DEALING WITH A MAP AMENDMENT WHERE WE'RE RESTORING THE ZONING BACK TO SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX FOR WHAT WAS PRE 2004, AND JUST ENTERTAINING BOTH OF THOSE THINGS. YES, YOU HAVE INPUT ON BOTH. ONCE YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER IT MAKES SENSE TO LOOK AT THOSE MAP CHANGES ALSO I AGREE. YEP. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING GOING ON. I'M GOING ON THIS GREAT LIGHT. I SEE THE TWO OF YOU GO TO DRINKS AFTERWARDS. CAN I, CAN I SOMEWHAT SECOND THAT. I'M SORRY COMMISSIONER JOBY, ARE YOU DONE I AM DONE, I'M SECOND AND I'M SECOND. AND SO THAT I CAN I, I'M GOING TO TALK BECAUSE I, I HOPE THAT WHEN I SAY SOMETHING MAYBE MIGHT CHANGE WHAT YOU'RE YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT ADD TO IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE MY QUESTION DURING THIS THING OF DISCUSSING THIS MOTION IS TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY, WHAT IS THAT DEADLINE THAT THIS ZIP IS ON NOW, ARE WE AT MARCH 4TH THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER NOW? THAT'S NUMBER ONE. ARE WE AT ARE WE AT THIS SOME DEADLINE IN MARCH. NUMBER TWO, IF WE DO THIS BREAKOUT WHERE WE TAKE OUT WHETHER THIS TABLE OR ALL OF EAST STUART LAND USE AND ZONING, JUST THE TABLE AND LOOK AT HOLD ON AND LOOK AT THAT. IF WE TAKE THAT OUT, HOW DOES THAT WORK IN TERMS OF THE ZIP TIMELINE, DO WE EXTEND THE ZIP TIMELINE FOR ANOTHER THREE MONTHS FOR EVERYTHING, OR WE TRY TO GET THE REST OF IT DONE AND RE-ADVERTISE IN A WHATEVER CERTAIN WAY WE NEED TO GET IT DONE AND LET IT MEET THIS ORIGINAL SIX MONTH THING? OR DO WE JUST DELAY EVERYTHING FOR THREE MONTHS? SORRY, I DID, I WAS ON A WILD TANGENT TONIGHT. ARE ZONING IN PROGRESS ONLY ITS INITIAL THREE MONTHS? YOU'RE ALLOWED TO EXTEND IT FOR ONLY ONE ADDITIONAL THREE MONTHS FOR GOOD CAUSE, WHICH WE DID IN DECEMBER AND IT EXPIRES MARCH 4TH. WELL, THE 4TH OF MARCH. YES. SO THAT MEANS IF YOU TABLE THIS, IT'S THE ZIP WILL, YOU KNOW, IT'LL EXPIRE. AND IN ESSENCE, THE ZIP WAS TO CEASE ALL APPLICATIONS ON STUFF THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH. SO THAT MEANS APPLICATIONS CAN RENEW OR START COMING IN ON THIS ISSUE ON ANY STEWART. AS OF MARCH 4TH. THAT'S THE CASE. AND IN PRACTICAL TERMS, A DEVELOPMENT COULD COME IN AND LEVERAGE OUR EXISTING CODE. THAT IS, THE LIABILITY IS IF WE'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE FORM BASED CODE AS IT SITS, THAT LIABILITY DOES SIT THERE, HENCE YOUR SENSE OF URGENCY. YES. I, I AGREE WITH YOU, VICE MAYOR. OH MY GOD, I'VE DIED AND WENT TO HEAVEN. I HAVE A QUESTION, MAYOR. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, MR. BAGGETT. WHILE THE ZIP WILL EXPIRE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE, WHICH IS THE CODE. AND THEN LOOKING AT THE MAP, COULD THEY JUST NOT BE MADE ZONING CHANGES AT THE TIME THAT WE DO IT AT THE END OF

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CORRECT. CHANGE THE CODE ANYTIME. OKAY. IF YOU IF YOU APPROVE ANY OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE LANGUAGE THAT CAN GO FORWARD ON, YOU KNOW, IN TIMELY UNDER THE ZIP. SO YES, IT WOULD JUST BE THESE THIS THIS AND THE TOGETHER. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE WANTING THE DISCUSSION IS WHETHER OR NOT TO THE MAP ELEMENT. I'M SORRY WE DISCUSSED SORRY WE DISCUSSED WITH REGARD TO CHANGING THE ZONING. IT WAS THE MAP AMENDMENT TO GO PARCEL BY PARCEL VERSUS THE USES THE CHART. THERE WAS TWO COMPONENTS. ONE IS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESTORING THE ZONING TO LOOK MORE LIKE IT DID PRE 2004 WHERE IT'S RESIDENTIAL. THAT REQUIRES A MAP AMENDMENT. NOT THIS. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE DOING THAT UNTIL WE HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS OF EAST STEWART. THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING THAT THE RESIDENTS IF WE PULL THIS OUT WE CAN WE CAN PUT UP WHAT THE MAP WAS, WHAT IT IS NOW, WHAT THE USES MEAN, WHAT THE HEIGHT. WE COULD TALK ABOUT ALL THAT, AND THEN EVERYBODY CAN SAY YES OR NO OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN. AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A VOTE. WE HAVE A SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JOBY AND A SECOND, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ARE YOU CLEAR? YES. CLARIFICATION ON WHAT'S BEING PULLED OUT. WE'RE PULLING OUT TABLE. YES. ZERO EIGHT PERMITTED USES IN EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD. I KNOW, SO IT'D BE SECTION 3.0, 2.03 AND FIGURE SN08. PERMITTED USES IN THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD. CORRECT. AND STOPPING THERE, WE WOULD NOT BE CONTINUING ON TO 30204 DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND LOT PARCEL SIZES. IT WOULD JUST BE. PERMITTED. YOU DSN OH WAIT, JODY, YOU GOT DO YOU ARE YOU WITH US? YES. COOL. OKAY. THANK YOU JODY. NOW WHAT? WE NEVER GO WRONG TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR I AGREE, I AGREE I AGREE. SO WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE ABOUT THE WAY IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT IN THE EASTWARD AND TO TALK AND, YOU KNOW, TALK IN SMALLER GROUPS. SO OKAY, SO MOTION A SECOND. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? SEEING NONE. WE ALREADY PUT THIS NOTION THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.

YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING. YEAH. YEAH. IS THERE IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS OR. I THINK WE HAVE A COMMENT. OH, I'M SORRY, MR. COOPER. AT LEAST PULLING IT FROM THE TABLE. I THINK GATHERING AND JUST TAKING OUR TIME TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY AND, AND THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THANK YOU, MR. COOPER. AND HE AGREES. OKAY. WE'RE ON AN AGREEMENT. ROLL CALL PLEASE. VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. JOBY. YES, MAYOR. RICH. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. YES, COMMISSIONER. REID. YES.

OKAY. CHAMPAGNE'S ON ME. SO NOW, DO WE WANT TO START ON SECTION TWO AND START CRANKING THROUGH IT? NOW WE'RE GOING TO SECTION TWO. SO THIS SO WE'RE GOING BACK STAFF CONTINUE I DIDN'T SEE MUCH JODY. THERE WAS JUST A COUPLE. IS THAT PARK. NO THAT'S NOT IS THAT MARKING ITS DENSITY.

THERE'S PARKING AND DENSITY FROM 30 TO 20. WE GO FROM 2 TO 4 TO FOUR. YEAH. WHERE'S KEITH? KEITH I'M SORRY. JODY, COULD YOU GO? YES. I WAS JUST GETTING THAT. I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE YOU DIZZY BY SCROLLING UP. SO BEFORE YOU LEAVE, WHAT IF HE WANTS TO LEAVE NOW? WELL, HE CAN'T, ALL RIGHT.

OKAY, LET'S LET'S REGAIN OUR COMPOSURE HERE. SO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED ME TO JUST GO, LIKE, SOME OF THESE ARE JUST CLEANUP LANGUAGE, WHICH IS PARCEL. I THINK I'M. I'LL GIVE YOU MY FEEDBACK, AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN. JUST LIKE WHEN SHE'S FINISHED. IF. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES FROM TWO WEEKS AGO, JODY. TILL THIS EVENING. SO I DID HIGHLIGHT THE CHANGES. AND THIS IS A CHANGE RIGHT HERE. SO IN YOUR TABLE IN SECTION 2.03.07, TABLE THREE. YEAH, WE DID CHANGE THE FOOTNOTE TO SAY MAXIMUM FOR TO FROM 30 TO 20 UNITS. PERFECT. AND THEN YOU GOT DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT. YEP. YOU GOT IT ALL BUTTONED UP. PERFECT. SO THIS 12.03.08 TABLE THREE A PERFECT I NOTICED THIS AFTERNOON. DID I HAVE TO CHANGE THIS. BUT THIS IS A CHART. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED FROM 8.72 TO 7.26. YES. YEAH. SHE SAID ARE YOU TRYING TO CATCH UP? CHILD CARE. CHILD CARE? AM I GOING TOO FAST? I'M SORRY.

TRYING TO CATCH UP. SO IN THE MAXIMUM DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, ALL THOSE WERE CHANGED FROM 20

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AGAIN, ALL THIS WAS CHANGED ON TABLE SECTION 2.03.09. TABLE THREE B AND THE FOOTNOTE ONE. WE DID AGAIN UPDATE THAT INFORMATION. THANK YOU JODY. YOUR COMMISSIONER CLARK, YOU HAVE A COMMENT REGARDING THESE CHANGES. OH THANK YOU JODY. I SINCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LOT SIZE AND INTENSITY, DID YOU GET TO THE PART AGAIN? WE NEVER REALLY DID DISCUSS THAT MUCH WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EAST STEWART THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE SMALL LOT SIZE, THE 4356, I THINK, TO THE 6500 LOT SIZE. AND WHAT IF SOMEBODY HAS A SMALL LOT NOW WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY WANT TO DEVELOP ON IT OR IF THEY WANT TO DEVELOP AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, OR IF WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE ALL OF THA, SINCE WE'RE GOING TO BE MEETING WITH EAST STEWART AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, THAT WE CAN DISCUSS ALL OF THAT WITH THEM AT THE TIME. SO WE DID ADD LANGUAGE IN THERE IN EACH SECTION WHERE WE CHANGED THE LOT SIZE FROM, FROM WHATEVER MINIMUM LOT SIZE.

AND LIKE AN EASTER, THEY HAD NO MINIMUM LOT SIZE. IF THEY WERE A PARCEL OF RECORD AS OF SEPTEMBER 4TH, THEY WERE THEY WERE CONFORMING. THEY WERE DEEMED CONFORMING. CONFORMING, CONFORMING. YES. OKAY. CAN I CONTINUE WITH MY QUESTION, SIR? MAY, DID YOU GET UP TO SECTION 2.0604 CHILDCARE CENTERS? NO. NOT YET. WE DIDN'T GET UP THERE YET. OKAY. I JUST HAVE MY WHOLE THING DISCOMBOBULATED HERE, BUT THAT'S FINE. OKAY. GO ON. SO I'M. YES. SO WE'RE CHANGING ALL THESE DENSITIES. THIS WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION. I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. 2.03 TEN TABLE FOUR. IS THE TABLE FOR IF WE'RE REDUCING THE MAXIMUM DENSITY, ARE SOME OF THE OWNERS OF THESE PROPERTIES GOING TO SEEK A REDUCTION IN THEIR PROPERTY VALUES? AND WHAT IMPACT MAY THAT HAVE ON THE CITY. NO, BECAUSE THIS IS WITH CONDITIONAL USE. I WOULD LIKE TO STAFF TO ANSWER THAT PLEASE, MR. VICE MAYOR PLANNER QUESTION. SO STAFF WAS NOT ABLE TO DO ANY OF THAT ANALYSIS. WE WERE JUST BASED OFF. WE ADDED A LOT OF CONFORMITY LANGUAGE. AS OF SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024, SO THAT IF THERE'S ANY PROPERTIES THAT WERE BUILT OR DEVELOPED OR HAD A DEVELOPMENT ORDER PRIOR TO THAT DATE, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO MAINTAIN THE DENSITY. AND IF THEY IF, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS WERE TO BE DEMOLISHED OR AN ACT OF GOD OR SOME SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THAT PROPERTY, THEY COULD STILL BUILD TO WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY APPROVED AS. AND WE DID ADD THAT LANGUAGE IN CHAPTER EIGHT, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE DID HAVE IS HOW DO YOU, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT ORDERS THAT HAVE NOT BUILT, BUT THEY STILL HAVE NOT MET, THEY'VE EXTENDED THEIR TIMELINES, OR I'M GOING TO USE SELFISH COVE BECAUSE THAT'S ONE RIGHT HERE THAT'S RECENTLY BUILT. THEY HAVE A MIXED USE PROJECT. IF FOR SOME REASON WE HAVE A HURRICANE ACT OF GOD TEAR IT DOWN, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO REBUILD BECAUSE IT WAS A IT WAS A CONDEMNED. IT WAS A PARCEL RECORD. PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2020 24. LANGUAGE IN SECTION EIGHT DEALS WITH THAT. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT. YEAH, I'M SURE WHEN I'M WHENEVER YOU'RE DONE. YEAH, YEAH. YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE ANALYSIS THAT SOME OF US HAVE BEEN SAYING BEEN MISSING ALL ALONG IS ECONOMIC ANALYSIS OF THESE CHANGES. AND IT CERTAINLY WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION. IT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED WHEN THESE COMP PLAN, WHEN WE HAVE TO MAKE THE COMP PLAN CHANGES. SO WE WILL GET TO THOSE ISSUES AT THAT POINT IN TIME. MR. VICE MAYOR, JUST MAYBE THIS IS A LEAD QUESTION FOR SAILFISH. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT LEVERAGED HALF UNITS. WHAT THEY WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN FOR A NUMBER OF UNITS ON THAT PARCEL. SELFISH K YEAH. WELL OVER HERE, SELFISH COVE, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE, IT'S COVE RIGHT OFF OF SEMINOLE, KS ON KS ON CENTRAL.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE ON FRAZIER CREEK. NO. RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE. THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT HERE. HERE. YES. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. SOMEWHERE YOU KNOW. YES. THAT USED THE HALF UNITS. SO MR. BAGGETT I THINK IT'S THAT WAY. OKAY. RIGHT BEHIND THE BOAT HOUSE RESTAURANT. IT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE BOATHOUSE RESTAURANT. WE'RE RIGHT. YEAH. SO HOW HOW WOULD THAT FROM A TECHNICAL LEGAL STANDPOINT. SO IN CHAPTER EIGHT WE'VE GOT LANGUAGE. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET. WHEN

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RIGHT. NO, NO, BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT IS CHANGED BECAUSE THEY GAVE AWAY SOME OF THEIR LAND. SO NO, THEY CAN'T REBUILD NECESSARILY. WE DON'T KNOW WHICH AGAIN, THAT'S YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT INVENTORY. CORRECT. I DON'T KNOW KINGSWOOD I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER WAS AND THAT WAS FROM 1980S. BUT I KNOW THEY'VE GIVEN AWAY BEFORE. I, I KNOW OF ONE PARCEL RIGHT. MARCELLO'S HERE. SHE HAD BOUGHT PURCHASED A LAND WHERE I WAS INVOLVED WITH, WITH THE WATER PIPE GOING THROUGH THE HEAT.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M AWARE OF. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL ZONING DEVELOPMENT ORDER WAS FOR KINGSWOOD, SO I SO WE CAN'T SAY. I CAN'T SAY. WE CAN'T SAY RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. BUT HE COULD GET BACK TO US. MOVING ON, MOVING ON. YEAH. AS LONG AS WE DO THAT CHILD CARE THING, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I SEE THE NEW LANGUAGE. SO IN THIS FOOTNOTE, WE WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIO, YOU ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS IN YOUR STORMWATER DRAINAGE. SO THIS IS NOT REALLY A NECESSARY FOOTNOTE THAT'S WOULD BE REQUIRED. SO WE DID DELETE THAT FOOTNOTE. AGAIN THESE ARE SOME OF THESE THESE CHANGES YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN AS OF THE FIRST READING. THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE DID ADD IN THERE. THAT SAYS ALL PARCELS ASSIGNED AT PARCEL ID NUMBER AND RECOGNIZED BY THE CITY OF STUART AS A BUILDABLE AS OF SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024, SHALL BE CONFORMING AND EXEMPT FROM THE MINIMUM PARCEL SIZE REQUIREMENT. ANY CREATED PARCEL OR SUBDIVISION AFTER SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024 MUST COMPLY WITH THE MINIMUM PARCEL SIZE REQUIREMENT SET FORTH HEREIN. DOES THAT MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS? SO IF YOU DID NOT HAVE A ASSIGNED PARCEL AS OF SEPTEMBER 4TH? AND YOU'RE SO CREATED PARCEL OR IS DONE TO A SUBDIVISION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 6000FT■, CORRECT? YEAH. MOVING ON. SO. KEEP SCROLLING. QUESTION. YES MR. CLARK, SO THE DIFFERENCE WITH THAT PARCEL AND THE PROPERTY, THE MARINA PROPERTY THAT THIS GENTLEMAN BROUGHT UP WAS BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY HAD THEIR DEVELOPMENT STARTED, BUT THEY STOPPED. AND SO THEY LOST THAT OPPORTUNITY. BUT THEIR LOT IS STILL THEIR PARCEL WAS ALREADY CREATED OR. NO, IT'S A PUD. SO IT'S GOING TO NOTHING IN FRONT OF THE BOARD ANYWAY. YEAH. NO. SO THAT WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT IN AS AN URBAN PLAN DEVELOPMENT I DO BELIEVE AND THIS IS BEFORE MY TIME. SO IF I'M MISSPEAK A LITTLE BIT, I JUST KNOW IT WAS WHEN I WAS COMING IN THIS PROJECT WENT TO THE BOARD. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY DID NOT APPROVE IT BECAUSE IT WAS PULLED BACK WITH SOME QUESTIONS. AND ABOUT THE HOTEL. THE APPLICATION NEVER HAD TAKEN ACTION BECAUSE THERE WAS NO NO, IT EXPIRED. SO SINCE THEN THEY THERE'S NO APPLICATION TO TAKE ACTION ON IT AS OF RIGHT NOW. DO WE KNOW THE DATE ON THAT? THANK YOU. IF YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S I IT'S HARD TO REMEMBER THE DATES.

I THINK IT WAS CAME IN IN 2019. I THINK IT WAS 20. IT WAS 20 19 2020 2020 I'M SORRY. YOU NEED T.

IT'S JUST SO I CAN GO INTRODUCE YOURSELF. OKAY. TED WEITZEL. YES. THE QUESTION WAS, WHEN DID WE START? WHEN DID IT COME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD? IT WAS IN 2020. I GAVE MY PAPER AWAY, BUT I THINK IT WAS IN APRIL. APRIL 20TH, 2021 APRIL 6TH, 2021. RIGHT. OKAY, I GOT IT. OKAY, SO DID IT ONLY GO IN FRONT OF THE BOARD? YES. AND THEN LET'S SEE. THE BOARD FELT I SHOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING. SO IT NEVER WENT IN FRONT OF THE CITY COMMISSION. IT JUST WENT IN FRONT OF THE CRA. YEAH. WE WERE ADVISED BY THE CRA BOARD TO GET ALL OF OUR OTHER APPROVALS IN PLACE FIRST, WHICH HAS TAKEN US A LONG TIME, A LONG TIME AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. WE'VE BEEN ACTIVE THE WHOLE TIME DEALING WITH THE CITY BACK AND FORTH EXPIRED. THE APPLICATION EXPIRED. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ACTIVITY ON THIS PROJECT AS FAR AS ANY TYPE OF MARINA OR ANY

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OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANKS. I BROUGHT IT UP. I'M SORRY THAT IT CAUSED THE PROBLEM, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR INFORMATION.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I WILL JUST CONTINUE SCROLLING. SO WE HAVE A NOTE HERE TO REMOVE THIS.

BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ADD SOME LANGUAGE IN HERE BECAUSE THERE IS ALREADY SOME COTTAGE LOTS THAT ARE BUILT. SO IF THEY GET DESTROYED WE NEED SOME TYPE OF STANDARD. SO THEY GO BACK TO WE. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO ADD THAT CONFORMING LANGUAGE IN THERE AS WELL. I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY. WE REMOVE THE STANDARD. WE WOULD JUST PUT THAT WHEN THEY CONFORM. ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN TIME FOR THE ZIP OR DOES THAT NEED TO BE REMOVED. YES WE CAN WE CAN ADD THAT LANGUAGE TOMORROW. YES. IT'S JUST BASICALLY ADDING THE CONFORMITY LANGUAGE THAT IF YOU HAD A COTTAGE LOT AS OF SEPTEMBER 4TH, YOU CAN CONTINUE. BUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THAT COTTAGE LOT, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THE HISTORY OF HOW YOU REBUILD IT. CORRECT. SO WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT BUILDING FORM.

ALL RIGHT. SO. THESE ARE JUST CHANGING IN NUMBERS BECAUSE WE DELETED SOME SECTIONS. AND IN MUNICODE THEY'RE GOING TO RENUMBER IT. YEAH. SAME THING HERE. MAYOR I MEAN COMMISSIONER CLERK WE DID NOT ADD ANY LANGUAGE ABOUT THE DAYCARE CENTERS. IT WAS DECIDED THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE DAYCARE CENTERS. SO THAT GENERAL SECTION 2.0604, THAT'S WHAT I'M. AND THEN THERE'S A DEFINITION AFTER THAT THAT SAYS GENERALLY AND IT'S I HAVE MINE STILL YELLOW IN THE VERSION THAT I HAD PRINTED OUT. I DIDN'T WANT TO PRINT OUT ANYTHING ELSE. SO I JUST BROUGHT THIS. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SECTION 2.06.04 CHILDCARE CENTERS. SO THAT MUST BE AN OLDER VERSION YOU'RE LOOKING AT. RIGHT. SO WE DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. IT WAS PROBABLY THE ORIGINAL VERSION RIGHT. THE FIRST READING. SO AFTER LISTENING TO THE COMMISSIONER AND GOING BACK AND LISTENING TO THE COUPLE OF WORKSHOPS AND THE DIRECTION, DAYCARES ARE PRETTY MUCH REGULATED ALREADY. SO OKAY, SO WE WEREN'T SO G IS JUST RESERVED JUST SO WE DON'T LOSE THE NUMBERING AND HAVE TO CHANGE ALL OF MUNICODE WHEN THEY CODIFY THE CODE. SAME THING WITH THIS LANGUAGE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH OTHER CHANGES. THREE I THINK WE'RE GOOD. WELL WE'RE DONE WITH THREE. WE'RE GOING TO FIVE. OKAY. BEFORE YOU'RE FINISHED. SORRY. LET ME PUT CAN I PUT MY LIGHT UP BEFORE YOU'RE FINISHED WITH THREE? I DID PUT A NOTE ON YOUR DESK, JODY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW IT, BUT WHEN WE PREPARE TO GO TO THE EAST STUART AREA, DID YOU SEE A NOTE WRITTEN ON YOUR DESK? I THINK IT'S WRITTEN ON HIS TWO PAGE LETTER.

ARE YOU THE ONE WHO LEFT ME A NOTE THAT WHEN WE DO IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A LAND USE, BUT IT'S A WAY TO IDENTIFY SOMETHING THAT'S THE HEART AND CENTER OF EAST STUART, AND THAT IS ALL OF THE PUBLIC HOUSING. OKAY. THE DUPLEX AS WELL AS THE TOUR. THIS IS YOUR LOVE NOTE. YES. THAT'S YOUR I WAS WONDERING WHO LEFT ME THIS. YEAH, I LEFT YOU THAT LOVE LETTER THERE. OKAY. SO JUST LIKE YOUR G G. WHAT'S IT G. THIS GUY WAS DOING ALL THOSE THINGS. YES. IF HE COULD HONE OUT THE PUBLIC HOUSING IN EAST STUART. SURE. SO THAT WE CAN SEE HOW IT OVERLAYS WITH THE OTHER THING. MAYBE THE PROPERTY APPRAISER MAP, OR YOU'D HAVE TO LABEL IT IN THE GIS OR SOMETHING. SHE SHE'LL FIGURE IT HAS A LAYER THAT HE CAN HE CAN ADD A LAYER IF THAT'S IF THAT'S BECAUSE WE'LL SEE. THAT CAN JUST LIGHT IT UP FROM THERE. THAT LAND DOESN'T BELONG TO THE INDIVIDUALS EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT'S ZONED, WHATEVER IT IS, SINGLE FAMILY OR THREE OR SOMETHING. BUT MOST OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY'S GROW. GROW. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY WE THE, THE LAND USE, YOU KNOW. SO WE'LL

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THERE WAS NO CHANGES IN THE URBAN CODE CHAPTER THREE. YEAH, WE'RE DONE WITH THREE. WE'RE DONE WITH TWO. WE DID. WE DO THE PARCEL SIZE FIGURE. YES. NOT SOME PARCEL. YES. LOTS AND PARCELS. WE DID THAT. GO THROUGH IT. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE DENSITY CHANGES. WE DID. WE DID, WE DID. OH, SORRY, I MIGHT HAVE WAS I SLEEPING THERE? ALL THE TABLES HAVE BEEN CHANGED FROM 30 TO 20. YOU'RE MAKING ALL THAT CONDITIONAL USE INSTEAD OF A THIS. 30203 AS YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT VOTING IN ON TONIGHT. SO I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD IN CHAPTER THREE. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU UPDATED THAT YOU BUTTONED UP IN THERE? NOT IN CHAPTER TWO. SO ALL THE HIGHLIGHTED UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS IN THREE AND THREE. LET ME JUST CHECK BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF GOING BACK AND FORTH. YES. ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. SO WE DID PUT THIS FOOTNOTE IN THERE AS WELL. ALL PARCELS IN EXISTENCE AS OF SEPTEMBER 4TH DO NOT EXCEED EXCEED THE DENSITY OF 20 UNITS PER ACRE SHALL BE DEEMED CONFORMING WITH THE MAXIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS AND SHALL BE ALLOWED TO OBTAIN A PERMIT FOR CONSTRUCTION IF THEY MEET ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE. OKAY, YOU DID PUT THAT. OKAY. PERFECT. I'M JUST GOING TO GO TO SCROLLING THROUGH. ARE WE AGREED? LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE THAT THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT SHE FINDS OKAY. JUST TO BE THOROUGH. SO RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER IT'S AFTER FIVE. SO WE'RE NOW WE'RE IN. LET ME SEE HERE. WE'RE STILL IN THE EAST. STUART. CHAPTER FIVE IS JUST THREE PAGES 124 TO 126. CAN I ASK A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER CLARK? I JUST HEARD JODY SAY SHE WAS SELLING EAST STUART. SO THE HIGHEST DENSITY THAT YOU CAN GET IS 20 TO 20 UNITS, 20 UNITS PER ACRE. RIGHT. WE ARE NOW IN THE CREEKSIDE AGAIN. WE CHANGED TO 6000. AND THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE.

SO THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH CHANGES IN THE CREEKSIDE. THAT'S A VERY SMALL. SO THIS IS JUST SOME CLEANUP LANGUAGE. WE TAKE ALL THE NEW. NOW WE'RE IN CHAPTER FIVE. CHAPTER FIVE IS A VERY SMALL. IT JUST REALLY JUST CHANGED IN THE PART. THE LOT FOR TWO PARCEL WHICH YOU SAW ME BEFORE WE START, I'D JUST LIKE IF THIS IS THE PUBLIC WISH TO MAKE A COMMENT ON SECTION FIVE BEFORE WE BEGIN GOING THROUGH IT ALL. DOES ANYONE WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS? IT'S VERY SMALL. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WERE ANY CHANGES MADE, WERE THERE JODY FROM TWO? THERE'S NO THERE'S NOT. IT'S JUST CHANGING TWO LOTS. TWO PARCELS. RIGHT. IT'S JUST LOTS. AND THIS IS JUST YOUR WETLAND MITIGATION AND YOUR. OKAY. SO NOW YOU'RE ON CHAPTER SIX OKAY. HOLD ON. SO SAME QUESTION. DOES ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO MAKE COMMENTS ON SECTION SIX BEFORE WE START CONSIDERING PAUL OKAY. THERE YOU GO. I MEAN I CAN FEEL IT. THIS IS A 2.5. I'M JUST VERY BRIEFLY I'M I'M NOT SURE IF I MISSED THE DISCUSSION ON PARKING OR THERE JUST ISN'T ONE BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE ON THE SHARED USE, NO USE OF SHARED USE, PARKING AND NO USE OF OFFSITE PARKING. IS THAT SHARED USE IN THE CITY? THERE'S A LOT OF SHARED USE PARKING IN SECTION SIX THAT WE ARE ELIMINATING, SO IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO MAKE. YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A PROCESS BESIDES A PUD WHERE SHARED USE, PARKING AND OFFSITE PARKING ARE LEGITIMATE TOOLS AND I'M MAYBE HAVEN'T EXPLORED IT ENOUGH, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS ALL STRICKEN THROUGH X AND HAD A SET OF CODES THAT ARE SUBURBAN CODES THAT MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE. AND I SAW SOMEONE REFERENCING IT. RATES AND THE ITE RATES DO PROVIDE FOR AN URBAN CENTERS WHERE YOU HAVE A RATE AND EACH USE HAS ITS OWN RATE, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ASSUMING THAT PEOPLE ARE SHARING AND HAVE INTERNAL LIKE WHEN WE'RE DOWNTOWN. OR IN MY CLIENT'S CASE, IF YOU'RE STAYING IN A HOTEL AND EATING IN THE RESTAURANT, YOU'RE NOT PARKING, YOU'RE NOT GETTING YOUR CAR. AND SO WITHOUT THOSE TOOLS, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN PLANNING CAN OCCUR. AND THEY WOULD BE COUNTER BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO HAVE MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND THINGS THAT GO AGAINST ALL WHAT WE'RE DOING TO PRESERVE THE RIVER AND WATER QUALITY, ETC. SO I JUST THANK YOU. THERE'S A WAY YOU CAN KEEP IT IN THERE AND PUT WHATEVER YOU NEED TO SAFEGUARD IT, BUT I THINK WE STILL NEED THOSE TOOLS. THANK YOU. SUSAN. COMMISSIONER REED. YES, THIS WAS

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SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ON. IT'S 42. SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN NON-CONFORMING ANYWAY ANYWAY.

RIGHT. HOW THE CODE WAS WRITTEN FOR 30 PER ACRE. SO I JUST WANTED THAT ON THE RECORD.

THANKS. BUT SHE CAN CONFIRM IT. COMMISSIONER CLARK WISHES TO MAKE A COMMENT, I BELIEVE. NO, I HAD WAS I ASKING IT DURING SUSAN'S THING ABOUT THE IT AND SO ON. SHE'S. WE'RE FINE. NO WHERE IT'S. YEAH. I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GOING TO COME TO A COMPROMISE ON THE 2.5 AND JUST GO BACK TO WAS IT 1.5 OR 2. WE, WE WERE WITHOUT DOING AN IT USING THE IT RATE. WE HAD JUST SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO. NO. TO 2.5 ALL THE WAY OR THIS ONE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH THAT COMPROMISE. OKAY. SO CAN I JUST GO TO SIX SECTION 6.0, 1.13 OFF STREET PARKING SCHEDULE. SO OR SCHEDULED SINCE I HAVE AN ACCENT. MR. CLARK, WE JUST STARTED WITH CHAPTER SIX, SO. I WAS GOOD. THAT'S A BRITISH ACCENT ON DARLING, DARLING. 6.01.13. LIKE I SAID, I DID NOT WANT TO BREAK ANY TREES AND I READ WHAT I READ ON THE COMPUTER, BUT I DIDN'T PRINT OUT ANYTHING ELSE. SO I STILL HAVE THE 6.01.13 OFF STREET PARKING SCHEDULE. IF THAT DOESN'T EXIST, IN AN UPDATED VERSION. NO, IT'S IN THERE. IT'S I APOLOGIZE, IT'S ALL WE DID WAS KICK UP HALF A SPOT ON THOSE TWO FOR MULTIFAMILY .01.13. KEEP GOING JODY YOU'RE SO CLOSE. OFF STREET PARKING. THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO THAT EXCUSE ME, ARE THESE CHANGES FROM TWO WEEKS AGO. NO, NO, THESE ARE THE SAME. THAT WAS YEAH. THAT WAS OKAY INSTEAD OF 1.4. WELL WE HAD 1.5 THAT WE WENT TO TWO. CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THOSE PARKING STANDARDS, PROPOSED PARKING STANDARDS PLEASE. WE INCREASED A HALF OF A. HALF OF A SPACE PER UNIT ON THE MULTIFAMILY. STUDIOS ARE ONE BEDROOM WOULD HAVE TWO TWO PARKING SPACE PER UNIT. GARAGES COUNT TOWARDS REQUIRED OFF STREET PARKING, 2.5. PART OF THE RATIONALE WAS WITH SB 102 IS THE LEGISLATION REQUIRES YOU TO CONSIDER YOUR PARKING, BUT IT DOESN'T MANDATE AS OF YET THAT YOU REDUCE IT. SO IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A HEDGE OR OVERDEVELOPMENT. DENSITY WITH SB 102 IS, A DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO MEET OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR MULTIFAMILY. SB 102 IS BEING REWRITTEN AS WE SPEAK. WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE. I LOOK FORWARD TO IT. YOU KNOW, YOU UNLESS THEY DO CHANGE, YOU DON'T. YEAH.

THANKS. THANK YOU. CAN I CONTINUE WITH ONE QUESTION ON SHARED PARKING. SO IN SECTION 6.01.12, ALL OF THE SHARED PARKING AND JOINT USE FACILITIES AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CERTIFIED ENGINEER, TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAD BROUGHT UP. ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN STRUCK, AS WAS THERE ORIGINALLY OR AS WAS PROPOSED AND STRUCK. I THINK IT WAS JUST WAS THE ORIGINALLY STRUCK, PULLED OUT AND THEN STRUCK? NO. SHARED USE PARKING. THERE'S ON STREET PARKING AND THERE'S SHARED PARKING THAT ARRANGEMENTS THAT HAPPENED. BUT OTHERWISE IF YOU CAN'T PARK IT YOU CAN'T BUILD IT. THAT'S THE IDEA. AND I'LL BORROW EACH OTHER'S PARKING SPACES. OKAY.

THANKS. AND WHEN THAT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2077 AND THE, THE PORTIONS OF IT ARE STRUCK, IT'S ONLY STRUCK BECAUSE THOSE PORTIONS WERE RELATED TO THIS. THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE IS NOT STRUCK. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR FOR ANYBODY WHO'S WHO'S LOOKING AT IT.

THAT'S CORRECT JODY. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. ALRIGHT. OKAY. CAN I JUST SPEAK BEFORE YOU CERTAINLY MAKE SURE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT KINGSWOOD. I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN KINGSWOOD AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW IMPORTANT PARKING IS BECAUSE WHEN THEY BUILT THOSE BACK IN THE WILD WEST, THEY DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR THAT. YOU HAVE SIX UNITS OF LIKE FIVE PARKING SPACES. AND AT THIS

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SO PARKING ACCESS. PARKING, WHICH IS ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO DRIVE WHEN THEY OTHERWISE. THIS IS FROM THE URBAN PARKING INSTITUTE, THE MAYOR'S INNOVATION PROJECT. EXCESS PARKING PARKING, WHICH ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO DRIVE WHEN THEY OTHERWISE MIGHT NOT, CAN HURT A CITY'S PROGRESS TOWARDS REDUCING GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, IMPROVING AIR AND WATER QUALITY, MANAGING TRAFFIC, AND ENCOURAGING THE USE OF TRAVEL ALTERNATIVES. I THOUGHT THESE WERE ALL THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, AND YET WE SEEM TO MAKE MAKING A DECISION THAT WILL BE MAKING IT WORSE. I ALSO LEARNED IN THIS RESEARCH THAT ONE OF THE LARGEST CONTRIBUTORS TO POLLUTING THE WATERWAYS IS WHAT GETS SCUFFED OFF OF TIRES, THE RUBBER THAT GETS SCUFFED OFF OF TIRES, AND IT CREATES A VERY SUBSTANTIAL. ANOTHER ARTICLE. THESE TYPES OF REFORMS, SHARED USE PARKING HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO REDUCE TRAFFIC. EVERYBODY WANTS THAT, AS FAR AS I KNOW, AND ASSOCIATED EMISSIONS, THEY CAN FREE UP RESOURCES FOR CITIES TO INVEST IN TRANSIT AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE, AND CAN LEAD TO LOWER REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT COSTS MEANS MORE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD THING. I THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO DO THAT, BUT APPARENTLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. AGAIN. SMART GOODS. SO IT'S ARTICLE AFTER ARTICLE. AT SOME POINT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME RESEARCH TO SEND TO THE STATE THAT SAYS SHARED USE PARKING IS HAVING A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THIS COMMUNITY. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE FOUND, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE THE OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE IS TO THE CONTRARY. I MEAN, GO DOOR TO DOOR AND START TALKING TO PEOPLE AGAIN. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS SINCE WE'VE HAD TO. YOUR RESEARCH IS WHEN YOU KNOCK ON THOSE DOORS, PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED BY THE PARKING. OKAY. SO JUST SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT SHARED USE PARKING. I'M. LET ME GO. LET ME TALK. OH I'M SORRY. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE LESS CARS IF YOU HAVE LESS DENSITY. IF YOU HAVE LOWER DENSITY THERE'S GOING TO BE LESS CARS. IT'S A PIPE DREAM THAT IN SOUTH FLORIDA YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE URBANIZATION AND HIGH DENSITY. AND PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT GOING TO HAVE CARS. IT DOESN'T WORK HERE. PEOPLE CAN HAVE CARS.

YOU LET MORE PEOPLE LIVE HERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE UNITS. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE CARS AND MORE RUBBER AND MORE SLOUGH. AND LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, OKAY. AND IF YOU MAKE IT HARDER TO PARK. STATE LAW REQUIRES IT. WE JUST CAN'T GO BY ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE AND SAY WE KNOCKED ON THREE DOORS. I'M JUST SAYING YOU MIGHT AS WELL GET READY, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE A STUDY THAT PROVES THAT SHARED USE PARKING IS NOTHING MORE. I WENT TO THE SYNAGOGUE THE OTHER NIGHT TO LISTEN TO A LECTURE, AND IT SAID FROM 5 TO 7, FROM 9 TO 5 ON WEEKDAYS. THIS IS FOR THE MEDICAL OFFICE. ALL OTHER TIMES YOU CAN PARK HERE. THAT'S ALL SHARED USE PARKING IS. I SEE IT ALL THE TIME. BUT THIS IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE. BUT THIS IDEA I THINK HAS SHIFTED AND WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND WHEN YOU THINK OF WORKING FROM HOME. A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW WORK FROM THOSE

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THIS IS JUST FOR MULTIFAMILY. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WE DIDN'T CHANGE COMMERCIAL. OKAY, COMMISSIONER J-O-B. OKAY. WHAT? I WANTED TO SAY THAT THE STUDIES ARE BOTH PRO AND CON. BECAUSE WHEREVER YOU SEE THE SHARED PARKING WORKS, IT'S ALWAYS BASED ON WHAT IS CONSIDERED AN URBAN WALKING CITY. NOW WE HAVE PARTS OF STUART THAT ARE THAT, BUT WE HAVE PARTS THAT ARE NOT. PEOPLE NEED THEIR CARS. THEY NEED TO GO TO THE STORE IN THEIR CARS. THEY'RE NOT WALKING TO THE LOCAL STORE TO GET THEIR GROCERIES AT PUBLIX OR WHATEVER. SO THE STUDIES ARE BOTH PRO AND CON DEPENDING ON WHAT CITY YOU'RE LOOKING AT. I MEAN, SO THAT'S IT. AND STUART IS A MIXED CITY.

WE HAVE SOME PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE BASICALLY YOU COULD WALK, I GUESS, BUT MOST PEOPLE DRIVE. I JUST WANTED TO SAY, OKAY, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE COM BECAUSE I COULD NOT FIND ONE. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SHOW IT TO THE STATE. KNOCK ON DOORS, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR IT.

DON'T JUST GO OKAY VICE MAYOR NEXT. KEEP GOING. JODY DID. JUST SO MY UNDERSTANDING. DID I HEAR YOU STATE THAT THE SHARED PARKING IN JOINT FACILITIES THAT WE'RE MAKING, THE CHANGES ARE JUST GOING TO BE FOR MULTI-FAMILY, BECAUSE THIS DOES AFFECT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

OKAY. IT DOES APPLY. IT DOES APPLY FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. YES. CORRECT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE.

BUT I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PARKING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE NEW RULES. OKAY. THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS DID NOT CHANGE FOR COMMERCIAL JUST FOR MULTIFAMILY.

IS THAT TRUE? JODY, I APOLOGIZE. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE INCREASED ARE FOR MULTIFAMILY EXCLUSIVELY. THEY ARE NOT FOR COMMERCIAL, CORRECT? YES. OKAY.

SO PUBLIX WILL COMMERCIAL. PUBLIX WILL BE OKAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF JUST FOR A TOOL THE IT WHICH IS THE TRANSPORTATION OF ENGINEERS INSTITUTE. JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IS A THAT IS EVALUATED ON A EVERY TWO YEARS AND UPDATED WITH THE NEW ADDITION. AND IT HAS ALL YOUR FROM URBANIZED TO RURAL TO INDUSTRIAL. SO THAT'S A VERY BIG TOOL THAT THE CITY THAT THE PLANNERS DO USE TO BE ABLE TO RELY ON. SO I THINK WE JUST MAYBE SOMETHING COULD WE CONSIDER THAT AS A TOOL. YEAH. AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS ANALYSIS. I THINK IT'S A TOOL THAT YOU GUYS CAN USE. BUT I WOULDN'T USE THE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN IT. BUT YOU CAN USE IT AS A TOOL. BUT MAKING THAT BE OUR STANDARD THAT WE'RE GOING TO MEASURE FROM, I THINK WE SHOULD STUART IS ITS OWN COMMUNITY. WE ACTUALLY SPOKE ABOUT THAT AND WE IT WAS DECIDED TO REMOVE IT AS A SO I'M JUST JUST THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID. YES. YEAH. YEAH. SO YOU CAN YOU CAN USE IT I'M SURE WITHIN YOUR DEPARTMENT I'M SORRY. IT MEANS IF YOU REJECT REFERENCING IT, BUT IT'S NOT OUR STANDARD. SO THERE'S TWO PARTS OF THE IT, THERE'S THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THE TRAFFIC. SO THEY ALL REFER BACK TO THE LAND USE THAT'S BASED OFF THE INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC. I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, JUST I'VE BEEN READ MANY, MANY, MANY TRAFFIC REPORTS. SO YOUR DATA FROM YOUR FROM YOUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IS GOING TO COME FROM THE ITE.

YEAH. THAT'S WHERE MAJORITY OF YOUR, YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS USE IT FROM. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE NO WAY TO EVALUATE ANY OF THAT NOW BASED OFF STRIKING IT. AND YOU SAY YOU DON'T HAVE A WAY TO EVALUATE WHAT CAN YOU NOT REFERENCE IT WITHOUT IT BEING YOUR STANDARD? MY, MY, MY CONCERN IS IF YOU'RE BOUND TO THE ITE, YOU HAVE TO FLUCTUATE WITH IT VERSUS BEING ABLE TO SET YOUR OWN METRICS FOR WHAT YOU REQUIRE FOR PARKING. SO THERE'S TWO LIKE I SAID, THERE'S THE PARKING AND THEN THERE'S THE TRAFFIC. SO YOUR TRAFFIC'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE OFF YOUR ITE.

THERE'S NO WAY TO EVALUATE THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A STANDARD TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. THE SAME THING WITH YOUR PARKING. SO ALL WE'RE GOING TO BE GIVING APPLICANTS NOW IS JUST BASICALLY THEY HAVE TO PARK IT BASED OFF THE PARKING CODE. YES. BUT THEN THEIR TRAFFIC COUNTS ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT BASED OFF THE. SO IT JUST IT'S JUST GOING TO THROW A LITTLE BIT OF UNBALANCE. I JUST

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ALL RIGHT, I'M BRINGING IT UP AGAIN. I JUST BROUGHT IT UP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE PARKING REPORT THAT SAID THAT THERE'S AN AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME SUBSTANTIATION TO THE CHANGE TO THE STATE TO JUSTIFY THE CHANGES. JODY. YEAH. OKAY. KEEP GOING. SO I JUST THESE ARE ONES THAT YOU SAW AT THE FIRST READING. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S MUCH CHANGES IN CHAPTER SIX. SO PAGES, THANK YOU. CAN I SEE THAT ADD YOU ON THE SAME ELECTRICITY OR DIFFERENT PARCELS. PARCELS SAME ELECTRICITY OKAY OKAY. NOW WE'RE MOVING TO CHAPTER EIGHT.

SO THIS IS PROBABLY WHERE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT DID HAPPEN. SITTING DOWN WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND LOOKING AT OUR COMP PLAN, THERE IS AN ELEMENT CALLED PROPERTIES. RIGHT. THE PROPERTY RIGHT ELEMENT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF WANTED TO MAKE SURE IS THAT IF THERE IS A PRE, ANY PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION WITH AN UNEXPIRED TIME OR PREVIOUSLY COMPLETED IMPROVEMENT MADE ON A PARCEL PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024 SHALL BE DEEMED CONFORMING SO AS LONG AS IT REMAINS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ANY OTHER, ANY CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. SO AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE A PARCEL AND I'M GOING TO USE SELFISH COVE, THEY GET DESTROYED. THEY CAN STILL REBUILD BASED OFF THE APPROVED DENSITY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THE PARKING, ANYTHING THAT WAS PART OF THEIR ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT ORDER. THEY CAN REBUILD AND USE THE SAME DENSITY THAT THEY HAD. AS LONG AS IT'S LIKE FOR LIKE WE DO HAVE DEVELOPMENT ORDERS OUT THERE THAT HAVE NOT EXPIRED, THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED. AND AS TIME GOES ON, WE DO HAVE EXECUTIVE ORDERS THAT SHIFTS THAT LINE FURTHER DOWN BY STATE STATUTES. SO WE HAVE QUITE A FEW OUT THERE. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROTECT. SO IF A DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE BIT OF PARKING THAT PLANNERS ARE LOOKING AT THAT THIS WAS A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED

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PARKING CODE. THIS PARKING CODE SHALL APPLY TO ALL DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT SAYS IT DOESN'T SAY JUST MULTIFAMILY. OH SIX THIS ISN'T SIX. GOTCHA. SO SHARED PARKING WAS ADOPTED IN 2006. MAYOR RICH, BY THE WAY. THAT'S THAT'S WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED FOR SHARED PARKING. I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE FOR IT, BUT IT WAS OH SIX. PUBLIX WAS ELIMINATED. PUBLIX WAS I UNDERSTAND PUBLIX WAS BUILT WELL BEFORE OH SIX, BY THE WAY. SO WAS RAMEY RUG. THAT PLAZA WAS BUILT BEFORE OH SIX, SO THEY DIDN'T EVEN USE SHARED PARKING WHEN THEY DEVELOPED THAT PROJECT. BUT THE PLAZA, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. SO PLAZA COULD BECOME SUBJECT TO IT. MAYOR RICH, IT MET PARKING REQUIREMENTS WELL BEFORE SHARED PARKING. I DO BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT STAFF WAS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN CHAPTER EIGHT. IF IT'S A NONCONFORMING USE OR THAT THAT PARKING IS DEEMED CONFORMING. YES. NOW, IF THEY TAKE OF SECTION EIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF SECTION EIGHT, YOU HAVE A NONCONFORMING USE. SO IF YOU GO TO CHAPTER EIGHT, EVEN IF THEY ADD A BUILDING, IF THEY ADD A BUILDING, NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER. THAT'S WHERE IT THAT IS NOT THE PREVIOUS USE. THAT'S RIGHT. SO THEN THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE NEW STANDARDS. OKAY. JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR. YEAH.

YOU KNOW BUT IF FOR SOME REASON THAT BUILDING IS VACANT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY COME IN AND THEY WANT TO DO RETAIL FOR SIX MONTHS, WELL THERE IS NO BECAUSE WE DO HAVE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THAT IT IS DEEMED CONFORMING. RIGHT I UNDERSTAND RIGHT. IT DOESN'T SAY SIX MONTHS RIGHT HERE OR 180 DAYS OR THREE. THIS IS BASICALLY SAYING THAT EVERYTHING IS CONFORMING. THAT'S MORE FOR BUSINESS. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S MORE FOR BUSINESS OCCUPANCY. YES, I. AND THE LEE MR. BAGGETT, IF YOU COULD JUST ELABORATE THAT WE DID WORK ON THIS ONE FOR QUITE SOME TIME JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT NONE OF OUR PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT ORDERS OR PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROPERTIES DON'T COME NON CONFORMING FROM THE DAY THIS IS ADOPTED. YEAH, I THINK THIS WAS THE BEST LANGUAGE THAT WE HAD COME UP WITH. AFTER MULTIPLE TRIES. WE'LL SEE HOW IT PANS OUT. MARCELLA HAS A COMMENT. MAYOR RICH OH A QUESTION, WOULD YOU COULD YOU PLEASE COME TO THE LECTERN, PLEASE? MISS GAMBLER MIKE SAYS THAT SHARED PARKING WILL APPLY TO COMMERCIAL. RIGHT? OKAY. WE HAVE A PUBLIC. THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. SORRY, MARCELLA, FOR THE RECORD, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S. I HADN'T SEEN THIS LANGUAGE. I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION, EITHER FROM JODY OR MR. BAGGETT. IT'S. SEE, IT SAYS ANY PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION WITH AN UNEXPIRED TIMETABLE. SO AN UNEXPIRED TIMETABLE. TIES AN EXISTING PUD TO REGULATIONS PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 4TH. ALL REGULATIONS, SOME REGULATIONS, DENSITY REGULATIONS, PARKING REGULATIONS. WHICH REGULATIONS DOES THIS TIMETABLE APPLY TO? SO YOUR QUESTION IS IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT I'M SORRY. IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED AND YOU HAVE ONE MORE PARCEL THAT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED, IT NEEDS TO BE CONSTRUCTED AND YOU HAVE A TIMETABLE, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE EXPIRED FROM AS LONG AS YOU HAVE AN UNEXPIRED TIMETABLE. IF IT

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RIGHT. SO IT COULD BE LIKE YOU SAID, A PUD HAS A PORTION THAT HASN'T BEEN BUILT YET BUT DOESN'T HAVE AN EXPIRED TIMETABLE. WHAT IS THAT? CONFORMING. IT'S CONFORMING TO YOUR ORIGINAL PUD. SO WHENEVER IT WAS APPROVED RIGHT AT THE TIME OR VESTED AT THE TIME, WHAT IS YOUR DEVELOPMENT ORDER THAT YOU WOULD FOLLOW? AND WHAT ABOUT THE PARKING THAT WOULD BE ALSO PART OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT ORDER? EVERYTHING WOULD BE VESTED. EVERYTHING IS CONSIDERED VESTED AS PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 5TH. AND MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY THIS SUPER CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, SO THAT WHEN PUDS COME IN, WE CAN QUOTE THIS BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT LANGUAGE, RIGHT. AND BHAGAT, CAN WE CONFIRM THAT. YES. WELL CAN WE CONFIRM IT IS JODY CORRECT. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THE INTENT BEHIND THE LANGUAGE DENSITY AND DENSITY AND PARKING. RIGHT. AS LONG AS IT WAS DONE BEFORE. AND IT HAS AN ACTIVE CORRECT ON EXPIRED GOTCHA. AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN SAY IS BUT I DO I'M THINKING OF SOME OF THE ONES POST 2006, BUT EVEN SOME BEFORE BECAUSE WE DID USED TO USE SHARED PARKING BECAUSE WE WERE JUST ALLOWED TO USE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE IT. BUT IF SOMEBODY COMES IN IN ONE OF THESE APPROVED PUDS AND THEY CHANGE A USE. SO WHICH HAPPENS A LOT IN THE SHOPPING CENTERS, THEY HAD A SHARED USE PARKING ANALYSIS THAT BALANCES OUT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. SO IF SOMEBODY HAD A MEDICAL OFFICE OR THEY HAD A RESTAURANT AND NOW IT BECOMES SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEY STILL CAN MAKE USE OF ALL OF THE TOOLS THAT WERE IN THAT PUD. THEY DON'T NOW HAVE TO. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE THAT I THINK YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF. YES, THAT THAT WOULD BE CORRECT, THAT THAT'S THE INTENT THAT IS IN WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE PUDS DO HAVE A MIXED SHARE OF PARKING, AND THEY USE THE A NEXUS RATIO AS A AS THE IT.

THAT'S A LOT OF THEIR ANALYSIS. NOW IF THE USE IS NOT PERMITTED WITHIN THE PUD AND NOW YOU'RE ADDING THAT USE, THAT'S ANOTHER THAT'S NOT A VESTED USE AT THAT TIME. BUT MOST OF THE PUDS DO HAVE THAT HUGE TABLE THAT DOES HAVE THE VESTED USES. ANY OTHER MOVING ON REALLY THE ONLY ELEMENT THAT WAS ADDED TO EIGHT. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS? IS THAT CORRECT? JODY, I APOLOGIZE, I DID NOT HEAR YOU. IT WAS JUST THAT LANGUAGE AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT VERSUS OKAY. YEAH, JUST YEAH, IT'S JUST ADDING THE DEFINITION FOR PARCEL. AND THAT IS THE END.

YEAH. OF THIS ORDINANCE. OKAY. ONLY 10:00. GOOD JOB JODY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH JODY AND YOUR OTHER STAFF. AND YOU HAVE A NEW PERSON. YOU HAVE A NEW POLICE CHIEF BESIDE YOU. I DO HE KEPT ME. I FEEL VERY SAFE. OKAY. CAN WE STICK TO THE BUSINESS FOR A FEW MORE MINUTES? SORRY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL. THE. I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF ME. ORDINANCE NUMBER 25392025. BEAUTIFUL WITH REMOVING THE YES AND TABLE IN SECTION 308. YES. OH EIGHT. YES. AND AT THE TABLE YOU WERE REMOVING SECTION 3.02.03 PERMITTED USES. AND THEN ALSO TO TABLE THAT REFERENCE, WHICH IS FIGURE SN-08. PERMITTED USES IN EAST STEWART. YEP YEP. YES. WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JODY. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THAT IS THERE. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE I'M SURE YOU GUYS CAPTURED THIS SENTIMENT, BUT AS SOON AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO GET A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR 10TH STREET TO WHERE WE CAN REVIEW YOU. COMMISSIONER JOB SUGGESTED A DATE OF MARCH 20TH. JIMMY SMITH HAD THROWN THAT OUT FOR A DATE THAT WE COULD USE IT, HE RESERVED. BUT I'M NOT NOT SAYING THAT'S THE COMMUNITY DAY. IT'S THE EASIEST THING BECAUSE 10TH STREET ALREADY HAS IT GOING ON.

WELL, WE ALREADY WE ALL HAVE ALL OUR SCHEDULES. OKAY. IT'S EASY AND MY SCHEDULE IS OPEN THAT

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GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU COULD RUN THE MEETING? WELL WE CAN. I COULD, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE BURDEN OF THE NIGHT. WELL, LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT. WE CAN AGREE ON THE DATE AND THEN DECIDE ON THE FORMAT. OH, LET ME LOOK. I'M LOOKING AT THE. THE WORKSHOPS WORK BEST WHEN ALL THE COMMISSIONERS ARE MODERATED. OKAY. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BIG FINGER GUYS. YEAH. MR. MICHELETTI, PLEASE, LET'S NEVER HIRE HIM AGAIN. LET'S NOT HIRE HIM AGAIN. WE'RE THERE. WE'RE THERE TO LISTEN TO THEM. CORRECT, MR. NICOLETTI, AND ALSO EXPLAIN IN DETAIL. CORRECT. AS A MODERATOR. SO WE'LL THINK ABOUT IT. I, I MIGHT NOT HAVE TO BE IN I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S A VERY BUSY TIME OF THE MONTH. SO THE 20TH AS POSSIBLE I WILL WITH A BULL'S EYE. I WILL KNOW TOMORROW MORNING. IT'S A THURSDAY EVENING OKAY. SURE. MIKE'S LISTENING AND HE CAN FIGURE IT OUT. SEE WHAT HE'S SAYING THURSDAY EVENING? 20TH, RIGHT? NO, IT'S A MONTH.

NOT QUITE A MONTH. NO, WHICH IS GOOD. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND, SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSION. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER CLARK. ON ORDINANCE 2539. YES, MA'AM. YES, COMMISSIONER. SELBY. YES, COMMISSIONER. READ. YES, VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES. AND MAYOR RICH. NO. IT'S A41 VOTE. SEEING NO OTHER ITEMS FOR OUR CONSIDERATION. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.