Mar 10, 2025 Regular City Commission Meeting

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SKIBA HERE. I DON'T SEE HIM. DO YOU KNOW HE'S NOT HERE? HE'S IN THE HALL. OH, WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD PRAY FOR HIM. HE'S THERE VISITING A PATIENT. I DON'T KNOW. AND WHAT DO WE DO? ABSENT.

WE MOVE ON. WE MOVE ON. OKAY, PLEDGE. PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. YOU HAVE AN ARTS MOMENT. RAMONA, FLORIDA. WHITE WILL BE. SHARING A SONG WITH US. GOOD AFTERNOON, MISS WHITE.

I. OPEN MY EYES ARE WIDE. NO LESSONS LEARNED. SO WORKED FOR YEARS BEFORE. RISE UP. I SEE. I LEARNED FOR SOMETHING MORE. I'VE GOT TO KNOW IF I CAN BE. A. STAR. SEA. WORDS ARE. WHERE I AM MEANT TO. A LIFE LIKE NOTHING I HAVE KNOWN. I CAN SEE A WORLD. AND IT'S FAR FROM HERE I. GOT A FIGHT ON MY OWN. EVEN NOW I FEEL ITS HEAT UPON MY SKIN. A LIFE IS PASSION. THAT PULLS ME FROM THE.

THE LIFE THAT I AM. ACHING TO BEGIN. THERE MUST BE SOMEONE YOUR I CAN BE. I START TO SEE. I NEVER SEE ME. I'LL. FIGHT. MY WAY. I'LL FIND. IT. FOLLOW. YES, I'LL FIGHT IT. HIT ME.

UNEXPECTED. AND I'M. I WILL FIND MY LIFE IN MY OWN. WAY. TODAY'S. HERE I. GO. AND THERE'S NO TURNING BACK. LIKE WITHIN YOUR HAS BEGUN I MAY BE SMALL, BUT I. GOT MY. PLANS. TO SHINE AS BRIGHTLY AS THE SUN. I. YOU, I FIND MY TIME. THE PLACE I WILL BE FIRST. IS NOT A PLACE BUT WILL NOT DISAPPEAR WITHOUT A TRACE. I'LL SHOW YOU. START RIGHT HERE. IN WITH WHAT IS.

I'LL BE ASTONISHING. YESTERDAY. SEE? THE. STONE? IS SHINING. AT LIFE'S. THANK YOU. SHE JUST

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[PRESENTATIONS]

ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING. BUT WE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. FIRE DEPARTMENT. ALEXIS ACCARDO. FOR FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. TRAVIS DECKER'S. MR. DECORATIVE HERE WITH THAT. RECOGNIZING TEN YEARS OF SERVICE. ALSO WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. ANTHONY PESATURO. CONGRATULATIONS. THAT IS FAMILY.

THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE. SO. HEAVY. HEAVY. THANK YOU. THERE'S NO. ALSO RECOGNIZING TEN YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID NOT INTEND TO DECEIVE ME. EXACTLY. CATCHY.

RECOGNIZING TEN YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. COURTNEY JONAS, YOU. SHOULD NOT.

WONDERFUL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YES. SPEECH. COURTNEY. COURTNEY, DISPATCH WITH US. OKAY. AND FINALLY, THIS IS MORE LIKE IT FOR STEWART. ANY OF STEWART. 20 YEARS OF SERVICE WITH TECHNOLOGY SERVICES. YEAH. THE GREATEST FAMILY. SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. THE FAMILY. WE WANT. SPEECH PRESENT.

WELL, TECHNOLOGY MOVES FAST. OKAY. AND ALL OF US IN THE CITY ARE LUCKY TO HAVE THE STAFF WE DO AND THE QUALITY OF SERVICE WE ALL RECEIVE AND BENEFIT FROM IS QUITE IMPRESSIVE. AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF THEIR EFFORTS. YOU'RE HERE. DOWNTOWN, STEWART. NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES DESIGNATION STAFF PANEL. YES, PANEL. GANDHI SERVED AS THE DIRECTOR. FOR THE RECORD, I'LL GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE THIS ITEM. WE HAVE MR. PAUL WEAVER HERE FROM HISTORICAL PROPERTY ASSOCIATES. WHAT? HOLD ON. SORRY. WE HAVE A WE HAVE A SENSIBLE SUGGESTION. WHO WHO WHO IS THAT, MR. BLAKEMAN? OR IN THE BACK? THE FIREMAN. THAT'S LEAVING. QUICKLY. COME BACK. DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A PICTURE TAKEN WITH YOUR FAMILY? COME HAVE A PICTURE WITH YOUR FAMILY. WITH THE MAYOR. SORRY, MR. WEAVER. THERE WE GO. GOOD CATCH. FAMILY PHOTO. I DON'T CAME ALL THE WAY OUT AND PUT ON A TIE AND EVERYTHING I KNOW. YEAH, YEAH. YOU GUYS MUST BE SO PROUD OF YOUR DAD. HE'S THE REAL DEAL. YEAH, YEAH. THERE YOU GO. THESE EVENTS. OH, VINCE WAS IN THE PICTURE. THANK YOU. CHRIS, I GOTCHA. I'M SORRY. NO. IT'S OKAY. THAT WAS WORTH IT. SO WE

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THEY APPLIED FOR THE GRANT. WE DO HAVE THE GRANT WRITER FOR MAIN STREET HERE. ALSO. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE GRANT, BUT MR. WEAVER WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE INFORMATION HE'S COLLECTED FOR THE NOMINATION APPLICATION. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR RICH AND COMMISSIONERS, I DID WANT TO INTRODUCE JODY RILEY, WHO'S THE GRANTS AND CONTRACTS ADMINISTRATOR FOR STEWART MAIN STREET. CANDACE CALLAHAN IS THE ADMINISTRATOR, BUT SHE COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE A BRIEF, GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING CAN WE GET THE SLIDES I GUESS UP. THIS IS AN UPDATE OF THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT THAT WE'VE PREPARED FOR DOWNTOWN STEWART. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO START, I'M FROM SAINT AUGUSTINE, AND WE GOT A LOT IN COMMON WITH STEWART. THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I PICKED UP IN THE COURSE OF MY RESEARCH. THREE OF THE TOP TEN COASTAL COMMUNITIES ARE IN FLORIDA, AND STEWART AND SAINT AUGUSTINE ARE AMONG THEM, AND WE'RE STRUGGLING TO MAINTAIN THAT QUALITY OF LIFE, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME MAINTAINING THE VITALITY OF OUR DOWNTOWN AREAS. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THIS IS THE BLACK AND WHITE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I DID THE ORIGINAL SURVEY OF DOWNTOWN STEWART, 1991, AND I DID THE UPDATE IN 2003. I'M NOT SURE I'M GOING TO BE AROUND TO DO THE NEXT ONE. YOU HAVE TO, BUT THIS IS THE ONE WE DID IN 2023. AND IT'S BEEN SAID THIS WAS THE BASIS FOR DOING A NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION. SO THIS WAS THE AREA THAT WE LOOKED AT. AND IT INCLUDES WHAT I CALL THE HEART OF DOWNTOWN AND ALSO WHAT WE I THINK WE CALL HERE THE TRIANGLE AREA. AND WE ENDED UP FOCUSING FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT ON THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AS MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE, THE TRIANGLE IS WEST OF DOWNTOWN, AND SINCE WE DID THAT SURVEY IN 1993, IT'S REALLY BEEN DEVASTATED. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEMOLITION OVER THERE, COMMERCIAL AREAS. THERE'S STILL A NICE LITTLE RESIDENTIAL ENCLAVE OVER THERE, BUT THAT'S WHY WE FOCUSED ON DOWNTOWN BECAUSE OF THE INTEGRITY OF THE TRIANGLE AREA. THIS IS A GEORGE PARK STORE, THE OLDEST BUILDING IN THE DISTRICT. NOW THE I GUESS THE STUART HERITAGE MUSEUM, A VERY IMPORTANT BUILDING, SOMETHING I BELIEVE COULD BE INDIVIDUALLY LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, AND A VERY UNUSUAL WOODEN COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

BECAUSE MOST OF THESE AREAS BURNED DOWN. BUT FOR SOME REASON THE OWNERS WERE ABLE TO PRESERVE THIS. IT'S GOT AN ARCHITECTURE THAT KIND OF HARKS BACK TO THOSE COLORADO AND VIRGINIA CITY SORT OF MINING TOWNS. THIS IS THE OLDEST BUILDING IN THE DISTRICT, AND THIS IS A WONDERFUL RESOURCE THAT WE USE. SANBORN FIRE INSURANCE MAPS THAT ARE IN COLOR. LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET.

YEAH, THIS IS THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THIS IS THE FERRO BUILDING, THESE MASONRY BUILDINGS. AND YOU CAN SEE THE TRIANGLE AREA. AND AGAIN, THIS AREA IS GOT A LOT OF VACANT AND NEW BUILDINGS IN IT.

AND HERE ARE A COUPLE OF THE OLDER BUILDINGS, THE FERRO BUILDING AND WHAT WAS THE STUART BANK AND THE CITY HALL. THIS IS A COUPLE OF VIEWS OF OSCEOLA, OSCEOLA BUILDING, THE LYRIC THEATER, WHICH IS ALREADY BEEN LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. THE POST OFFICE ARCADE. WE INCLUDED THE STUART HIGH SCHOOL IN THE SURVEY, BUT IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT AREA AND IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING ON DOWN THE LINE. THE CITY OR THE SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY MIGHT PURSUE FOR NATIONAL REGISTER DESIGNATION, THE MARTIN COUNTY COURTHOUSE.

IT'S ALSO OUTSIDE THE AREA, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING WE PICKED UP IN OUR SURVEY UPDATE. IT'S LISTED

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IT'S ALSO INCENTIVE BASED THEIR FEDERAL TAX CREDITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR PRIVATE INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTIES AND ALSO FEDERAL GRANTS, AND I KNOW FEDERAL AND STATE GRANTS, I SHOULD SAY. I KNOW THE LYRIC THEATER, THE OLD COURTHOUSE. A LOT OF THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT PROGRAM, AND THIS WILL MAKE EVEN MORE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE OWNERS OF PUBLIC CITY OWNED PROPERTIES AND NONPROFIT PROPERTIES ELIGIBLE. SO THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH TO THE NORTH. THIS IS THE MAIN STREET OFFICE. THE MUSEUM IS HERE. THE CITY HALL IS HERE, THE VISITORS CENTER IS HERE. THAT'S ALL PART OF THE DISTRICT. AND OF COURSE, ALL THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ALONG FLAGLER, SOUTHWEST OSCEOLA PICKING UP. I GUESS IT'S THE LION RESIDENCE OVER HERE. SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THIS AREA. AND GOING DOWN AS FAR AS SOUTHEAST DENVER AVENUE, ALSO PICKING UP. CONFUSION CORNER IN THE HANEY CIRCLE IS SITES WITHIN THE DISTRICT. SO GRANTS I MENTIONED THIS IS A HOUSE UP IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. AND WE DO A NUMBER OF GRANTS. AND I'VE MENTIONED SOME OF THE PROPERTIES HERE, THE OLD COURTHOUSE AND ALSO THE LYRIC THEATER HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF STATE GRANTS, TAX CREDITS. THIS WAS A PROJECT UP IN FERNANDINA BEACH THAT I DID AN OLD SCHOOL HOUSE THAT GOT FEDERAL TAX CREDITS. THEY GOT AN AD VALOREM EXEMPTION ON FOR TEN YEARS ON THE WORK THAT WAS DONE THERE. AND THEY EVEN GOT THERE'S

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SO IF SOMEBODY BOUGHT THE DUFFEE'S BUILDING AND WANTED TO DEMOLISH IT, THE CITY COULD NOT

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AND WE REGULATE ALL KINDS OF ACTIVITY, ADDITIONS, DEMOLITION, THAT TYPE OF THING. BUT THE NATIONAL REGISTER THAT YOU COULD NOT USE THAT AS A REASON TO DENY. OKAY, A DEMOLITION PERMIT IN THE CITY, UNLESS YOU HAD ESTABLISHED A LOCAL ORDINANCE AND UNLESS YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO DESIGNATE SOMETIMES IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, WE HAVE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS THAT ARE STAND ALONE. WE HAVE LOCAL ORDINANCE DISTRICTS THAT STAND ALONE. AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE COMBINATIONS OF THE TWO YOU IF YOU WANTED TO, IF YOU SO DESIRED, YOU COULD USE OUR STUDY AS A BASIS FOR DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AGAIN, THAT IS A LOCAL PREROGATIVE. THAT'S WHERE THE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION LINES. IS THAT SOMETHING WE'VE EVER CONSIDERED? WE HAVE A HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE IN PLACE ALREADY IN THE CODE, AND WE HAVE FEEDSTORE HALL LANE HOME, THE WOMEN'S CLUB. WE JUST DESIGNATED ALL OF THOSE ON THE LOCAL REGISTER. SO IF THEY EVER WANTED TO MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS OR IF THERE WAS A DEMO, IT WOULD ALL HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL. THE CITY ALSO PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT IDENTIFIED EVERY PROPERTY THAT WAS OR EVERY STRUCTURE THAT WAS OVER 50 YEARS OLD, AND IT HAS AN EXCEPTION TO OUR DEMOLITION PERMIT, WHERE A PERSON MIGHT COME IN TO DO A DEMOLITION FOR A SHED OR SOMETHING. THEY CAN COME IN AND GET THE PERMIT IN ONE DAY IF IT MEETS CODE. IF THE PROPERTY IS ON THE LIST OF OVER 50 YEARS OLD, IT'S GOT ESSENTIALLY A COOLING OFF PERIOD, AND I BELIEVE IT'S 30 DAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE PERMIT. THAT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO TRY AND GET TOGETHER A GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATION TO POTENTIALLY SAVE THE STRUCTURE AND MAKE OTHER DECISIONS WITH. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN A LOT. WE DON'T RUN INTO REGULAR DEMOLITION PERMITS, BUT IN THE PAST, WHEN IT'S HAPPENED, WE'VE ULTIMATELY SAVED SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ENDED UP DOWN HERE ON FLAGLER BY THE FEED STORE AND OTHERS. GOOD.

YEAH, I KNOW AT LEAST IT'S THE CLEARY HOUSE. I GUESS THAT WAS MOVED, RIGHT? AND THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNITY INTEREST IN THAT. AND SO AND THE OWNER AND THE AND THE CITY WORKED OUT, I GUESS, AN AGREEMENT TO RELOCATE IT. AND IT'S PART OF OUR NOW IT'S A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING TO YOUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND WE ALSO HAD A PRIVATE PROGRAM WHERE ONE OF THE HOUSES ON SEMINOLE STREET THAT WAS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED, STEPHEN VITALE, LEARNED ABOUT IT AND WORKED OUT AN ARRANGEMENT WITH THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE. AND LITERALLY THE CITY MADE AN EXCEPTION TO SOME SETBACKS AND WAS ABLE TO MOVE THE PROPERTY DOWN SEMINOLE STREET. AND IT'S BECOME PART OF HIS COLORADO HOTEL PROGRAM. AND IT'S BEEN COMPLETELY RESTORED. AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SHAPE.

YEAH. SO THIS IS INCENTIVES INCENTIVE BASED. BUT YOU DO HAVE SOME TOOLS AT THE CITY LEVEL FOR THIS. AND I HOPE THIS THESE STUDIES HAVE GIVEN YOU A BASIS IF YOU WANT TO PROCEED WITH ANYTHING ELSE IN THE IN THE FUTURE, YOU'VE GOT A FACTUAL BASIS FOR DOING SO. I HAVE A QUESTION. VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANKS VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MOVING ON TO 10TH STREET, TRAFFIC CONGESTION. DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY STAFF? WE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A PRESENTATION OTHER THAN I KNOW THAT THE CHIEF OF POLICE HAS DONE A STUDY, AND WE WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND DO IT WAS SCHEDULED, I THOUGHT, AS A DAD, I DON'T KNOW. I'M LOOKING FOR ANYBODY. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT JOE HAD A PRESENTATION. HE DID A. A TRAFFIC STUDY OR NOT A TRAFFIC, BUT A SPEED STUDY AND DETERMINED THAT NO CARS WERE ACTUALLY SPEEDING ON THE STREET AT VERY LITTLE. THE SPEED LIMIT WAS COMING IN AT 24 MILES AN HOUR INSTEAD OF 25. I KNOW IN SPEAKING TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT THEIR PROPOSAL WOULD BE THAT WE LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT. AND I KNOW THAT BONNIE MOSER HAD SOME OTHER PROPOSALS AND EVERYTHING, BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING IT BE A PRESENTATION, WE COULD ALSO JUST TAKE, BECAUSE IN A PRESENTATION YOU DON'T TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. RIGHT? SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSION WANTED BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE ON THE THING AS A DAD, BUT IT CAME OUT AS A PRESENTATION. BUT WE CAN EITHER TAKE IT RIGHT NOW AND TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN AND AROUND 10TH STREET, BECAUSE WHAT WE THOUGHT WE'D DO IS TAKE THE COMMENTS AND THEN STAFF CAN GO BACK AND EVALUATE THOSE COMMENTS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW OUR STUDIES HAVE SHOWN WE DID A WE DID ANOTHER STUDY, I THINK IT T, AND WE ACTUALLY INSTALLED SOME

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COMMITTEE. THE LOCAL PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA. RIGHT. WE WANT TO LET'S ALLOW THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD. BECAUSE WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD HAPPEN IS NO OBJECTION FROM THE. NO.

ABSOLUTELY. WHAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD WE WOULD DO ALSO IS THEN STAFF CAN HEAR THEIR COMMENTS AND CAN ACTUALLY DO SOME FOLLOW UP ON THE COMMENTS, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE DIRECTION TO DO ANY PARTICULAR ITEMS AT THIS TIME. BUT ONCE WE HEAR EVERYTHING, WE CAN PUT IT TOGETHER, BRING IT TO YOU GUYS AS A BOARD AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ACCORDINGLY. PLUS, WE WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK WITH THE COUNTY. OH WELL, IT DEPENDS. IF THE COMMENTS ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO 10TH STREET, WE MIGHT NOT. AND PALM BEACH ROAD IS THE COUNTY ROAD, SO PERHAPS WE COULD HAVE THE CHIEF SPEAK FIRST TO THE STUDY. DO YOU WANT TO? IF YOU FEEL YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? SO WHEN THIS ISSUE FIRST CAME ABOUT, SORRY. JOE TUMINELLI, CHIEF OF POLICE. STUART. WHEN THIS ISSUE FIRST CAME ABOUT, WAS BACK IN 2023, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE MAYOR WAS INVOLVED, MISS MOSER, AND CAPTAIN HURTADO AND I BELIEVE MILTON AS WELL. AND THAT'S WHAT MIKE WAS REFERRING TO REGARDING THE SPEED BUMPS. JUST RECENTLY CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC STUDY OVER THE PAST THREE WEEKS, PERHAPS, AND I WAS IN CORRESPONDENCE WITH BONNIE MOSER, AND I SENT HER THE DATA, AND THAT'S HER FIELD OF EXPERTISE AND THE INFORMATION FROM THE SPEED TRAILER INDICATED THAT. LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT, AND MISS MOSER CAN EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OF WHAT HER STATISTICS FOUND AS WELL. BUT THE TRAFFIC MONITORING DEVICE WAS SET AT 20 MILES AN HOUR, 24 HOURS A DAY. THAT IS A SCHOOL ZONE. SO TWO PORTIONS OF THE DAY, THAT SPEED LIMIT IS 20 MILES AN HOUR. THE NORMAL SPEED LIMIT IS 25. DOWN THAT ROAD, THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC WERE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE 20 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT. HOWEVER, THERE WAS ANOMALIES OF PEOPLE SPEEDING WELL OVER SOMETIMES 40 MILES AN HOUR IN DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY. SO WITH THAT SAID, I SENT THIS INFORMATION TO MISS MOSER AND WE'VE BEEN, LIKE I SAID, EMAILING BACK AND FORTH ON THIS ISSUE. ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS WAS, WHICH REALLY IS NO COST TO THE CITY, IS LOWERING THE SPEED LIMIT PERMANENTLY 20 MILES AN HOUR DOWN 10TH STREET. THAT IS A POLICY DECISION, BUT THAT IS THE INFORMATION I HAVE NOW WITHOUT ANY FURTHER GUIDANCE. THAT'S AS FAR AS I CAN GO. AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING WE BRING BACK AS A FINAL REPORT, AS STAFF WOULD BRING BACK. OKAY. DO WE HAVE GREEN CARDS FOR THIS ONE? YES. OKAY. MISS AARON KIRKWOOD. SO IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, EVEN IF YOU HAVE NOT PUT IN A GREEN CARD, YOU CAN DO THAT OR AFTER YOU SPEAK. SINCE WE SORT OF SPRUNG IT ON YOU HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS AARON KIRKWOOD. I LIVE ON STAFFORD DRIVE AND MY DAUGHTER WENT TO JD PARKER FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS. WE RODE OUR BIKES EVERY DAY DOWN 10TH STREET, AND THE TRAFFIC WAS GOING A LOT FASTER THAN 20 MILES AN HOUR DURING THE DURING THE SCHOOL ZONE. IN THOSE TIMES LAST YEAR, MY HUSBAND WATCHED HER ALMOST GET HIT BY A CAR AS SHE WAS TRYING TO CROSS THE STREET THERE AT 10TH STREET IN THE CROSSWALK. SO THE TRAFFIC ISSUES HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE. MY HUSBAND WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY, HE WAS VERY UPSET. HE'S AT WORK, OUT OF TOWN FOR WORK, BUT HAS BEEN COMPLAINING FOR YEARS ABOUT ABOUT IT. AND I WILL SAY WE'VE NOTICED THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME SOME CITY POLICE OFFICERS ENFORCING THE SPEED LIMIT. AND WE LOVE TO SEE THAT.

I'VE SEEN THAT STEWART MIDDLE AS WELL. AND THAT'S A CHANGE FROM FROM YEARS GONE BY. WHERE WHERE OUR, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING WE SAID JUST DIDN'T SEEM TO HIT IT, HIT THE TARGET. AND SO WE ASK THAT YOU THAT YOU LOOK AT THAT YOU CONSIDER THE ALTERNATIVES. DOES IT NEED ANOTHER SPEED TABLE. DOES IT. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE ONE THAT'S KIND OF IN FRONT OF SAINT JOE'S, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE. AND THEN BY THE TIME THEY GET TO, YOU KNOW, 10TH STREET OR IF THEY'RE COMING OFF

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SO EVERYTHING FROM PALM BEACH TO MONTEREY AND THEN OCEAN SOUTH THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU CAN'T JUST FIX ONE STREET BECAUSE LET'S SAY WE PUT A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES ON 10TH. THEN PEOPLE WILL JUST CHOOSE TO GO FAST ON SEVENTH. ALL RIGHT. I'VE RUN OUT OF TIME.

I HAVE SO MUCH MORE TO SAY. I'VE GOT THESE FOR YOUOU ALL, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN PASS THEM OUT TO THE CLERK. PLEASE. IN THE IN THE LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT IT'S A PRESENTATION AND WE KIND OF EXPECTED MISS BOWSER TO BE THE ONE PRESENTING HER MORE TIME, YOU MIGHT WANT TO JUST HAVE HER DO THE PRESENTATION. PRESENTATION? I DO THINK 20 MILES AN HOUR WOULD BE A GREAT START TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT. I WOULD ALSO LOVE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO DO THAT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE I BELIEVE MOST STREETS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE 25 RIGHT NOW AND NOT 20. A COUPLE THINGS TO NOTE ARE WE CAN DO THINGS REALLY QUICKLY. SOME INTERIM QUICK BUILD, TEMPORARY MEASURES THAT WE CAN EVEN GO OUT AND TEST.

THIS HAPPENS IN TOWNS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. I DO THIS WORK MYSELF WHERE MAYBE WE GO OUT FOR SIX WEEKS, TWO MONTHS AND WE PUT OUT, YOU KNOW, FLEX POSTS AND SOME PAINT TO SEE IF WE CAN GET CARS TO CALM. AND THEN WE GET NEIGHBORHOOD FEEDBACK WHETHER OR NOT THEY LIKE THEM. AND IF THEY DON'T LIKE THEM, THEY'RE OUT. AND IF THEY LIKE THEM, THEN WE WORK TOWARDS MAKING THOSE MORE PERMANENT MEASURES THAT WOULD INVOLVE MAYBE HERBS OR DIFFERENT THINGS. I DID WANT TO NOTE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO AVOID, WHICH THEY CAN PASS OUT THE GRAPHIC STOP SIGNS ARE ACTUALLY NOT A VERY EFFECTIVE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU PEOPLE STOP AT THE STOP SIGN AND THEN THEY SPEED UP UNTIL THE NEXT STOP SIGN TO MAKE UP FOR LOST TIME. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT. EVERYBODY DOES IT. SO YEAH, CARS WILL SLOW DOWN

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IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED ON 10TH STREET, THOUGH, BECAUSE THE MAJOR INTERSECTION ON 10TH IS KRUGER PARKWAY, AND THAT WOULD BE THE THREE WAY. AND DIRECTLY ACROSS THE KRUGER PARKWAY IS SAINT JOSEPH'S EXIT OR DRIVEWAY, THAT IS. YEAH. WHERE THAT MEDIAN JUST IT'S JUST AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK TO DISCUSS. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT'S THESE ARE JUST COMPLICATED GENERAL IDEAS FOR YOU ALL. THEY'RE NOT SPECIFIC TO ANY ONE PLACE. I'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. BUT. BUT I WANTED TO. I MET A PARENT THE OTHER DAY. I DON'T THINK I SEE HER. SHE'S ON HER WAY. YEAH. WHAT? OH, THERE SHE IS. OH, THERE. YEAH. WHO LIVES

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THEY NEED TO BE SAFELY. THERE NEEDS TO BE SAFETY FOR THEM CROSSING, BIKING OR WHATEVER THEY DO. AND THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT. AND THANK YOU. BONNIE. YES.

TRAFFIC OPERATIONS, THAT'S AN ISSUE. SOMEONE ELSE, MADAM CLERK, MISS HELEN MCBRIDE. GOOD EVENING, MISS MCBRIDE. GOOD EVENING. HELEN MCBRIDE FROM MINGO AVENUE, WHICH I'M TWO HOUSES OFF OF 10TH STREET, AND I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 52 YEARS, AND I DON'T WANT TO. I THINK THE CHIEF, I'M SITTING BACK THERE THINKING, OH, THAT'S A GREAT PIPE DREAM HE'S HAVING. I RIDE ON 10TH STREET FIVE DAYS A WEEK. MAY PROBABLY MORE, BUT FROM 1030 TO 1230, BECAUSE I GO UP TO THE 10TH STREET REC CENTER EVERY DAY. SOME OF THE MORNINGS, LIKE BEFORE THE THING, I'M IN A RUSH AND I'M GOING UP, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I SAW THE FLASHING SIGN AND I LOOKED, I'M GOING 35 MILES. AND AT MY AGE, YOU KNOW, I'M I'M VERY CAREFUL. YOU ISSUE A TICKET, PLEASE. YOUNG MAN. AND I DO SLOW DOWN BECAUSE I LIKE IT WHEN THE SIGN SAYS 20 AND THEY SAY THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY POLITE. BUT WHEN IT WAS DOWN CLOSER TO ME, I SLOWED UP. BUT I DID FIND MYSELF SPEEDING UP AFTER I GOT PAST IT. THEN THEY MOVED THE SIGN DOWN, AND THEN I SLOWED UP BECAUSE I WANTED TO SEE THAT. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT THIS YOUNG MOTHERS, BECAUSE I TALKED TO THESE YOUNG MOTHERS, WE NEED A WORKSHOP BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST MOVED THERE WITH MY CHILDREN, THEY RODE THEIR BIKES.

THE KIDS COULD PLAY BASKETBALL ON THE STREET AND ALL, BUT IT IS. IT'S EVEN ON OUR STREET.

THERE IS. OH, THEY THEY GO REAL FAST. YOU COULD PUT THAT 20 SIGN ON OUR STREET AND BINGO, YOU'D FIND OUT IT IS A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE WE'RE A RESIDENTIAL AREA ON BOTH SIDES OF PALM BEACH ROAD, AND NOW THE PEOPLE ARE USING THEY COME DOWN PALM BEACH ROAD, TAKE A RIGHT ON 10TH STREET TO GET OVER ON A1A FASTER. I'VE NOTICED THAT, BUT I AS I SAY, I'VE BEEN THERE. I'VE SEEN IT ALL. A WORKSHOP WHERE WE CAN ALL JUST SIT DOWN AND I KNOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I REMEMBER MAYBE IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO. THERE WAS AN OFFICER RIGHT UNDER BY THE CHURCH OF GOD, BUT EVERYBODY, YOU COULD SEE THE CAR IN FRONT OF US. BINGO. THE LIGHTS! COME ON. HE'S SLOWING DOWN. HE SEES THE POLICE OFFICER. YOU SEE THE POLICE CAR, YOU SLOW DOWN. YOU GO PAST THE POLICE CAR. YOU SPEED RIGHT BACK UP. BUT I'M GUILTY OF GOING FAST ON 10TH STREET, I DO 30, BUT REALLY, I I'M. I'M WITH THESE YOUNG MOTHERS BECAUSE I KNOW I RAISED TWO CHILDREN THERE AND I DIDN'T HAVE THESE PROBLEMS THESE YOUNG MOTHERS ARE HAVING. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU HELEN NINA CROSS. HELLO. HOW ARE YOU? NINA CROSS? I'M ON SEVENTH STREET AND I'VE BEEN ON SEVENTH STREET SINCE SEPTEMBER OF 90. I LIVED ON ORIOLE, THE OTHER SIDE FROM 85 FORWARD, AND MY SON'S BEEN A JD PARKER, HIS CAREER, MIDDLE SCHOOL, ETCETERA, AS YOU KNOW, WALKING TO SCHOOL, RIDING OUR BIKES TO SCHOOL. SO THE TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED ON SEVENTH STREET EXPONENTIALLY. AND MY

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MAYBE IN 23 WITH MAYBE THE POLICE PUTTING UP BLACK. WHATEVER THEY DO FROM THERE TO THERE, WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY TURN ONTO SEVENTH, HEADING EAST. THEY ZOOM FROM SEVENTH TO THE STOP SIGN. NO ONE STOPS RANDOM STOPPERS, THEN THEY ZOOM FROM ALAMEDA AND SEVENTH TO KRUEGER, AND THEN WHAT THEY DO FROM THENCE ON? WHO KNOWS? WE'VE BEEN MY HUSBAND AND I. WE'VE BEEN ALMOST HIT IN THE DARK WITH GOLF CARTS, WITH JUVENILES WITH NO LIGHTS. BUT AT DARK, WHEN WE WALK OUR DOGS, WE TAKE FLASHLIGHTS WITH US AND YOU CAN HEAR THEM COME WITH NO LIGHTS.

SO THAT'S A PROBLEM TOO. BUT THE SPEEDERS ON SEVENTH. IT IS A RACETRACK DAY AND NIGHT. NOW WE'RE HOME A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE WE'RE MINIMIZING WORK SITUATION, MOVING TO RETIREMENT.

SO WE'RE THERE, YOU KNOW, AND IT IS A PROBLEM. AND THERE'S MORE BABIES, MORE YOUNG FOLKS AND DOGS. YOU KNOW MY TWO DOGS GOT OUT ONE DAY. I LEFT THE FRONT DOOR OPEN. THANK GOSH. MY NEIGHBOR SAW THEM AND KNOWS THAT OUR DOGS ARE NEVER THEY'RE LEASHED. AND IF SHE WOULDN'T HAVE STOPPED. OUR DOGS ARE STUPID. THEY DON'T KNOW. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT A CAR IS ABOUT OTHER THAN GOING TO THE BEACH. THAT'S IT. LET ME SEE. I THINK I'VE PRETTY MUCH HIT IT.

EVERYTHING I'VE WANTED TO SAY. I THINK WHAT BONNIE SAID ABOUT THESE LATERAL THINGS, I'VE SEEN THOSE BEFORE. AND IN RIO, RIO'S GOT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHETHER IT'S MEDIANS, YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO PHYSICALLY KIND OF MANEUVER, BUT IT'S A MESS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. MISS BETTY BRINKLEY. GOOD EVENING, MISS BRINKLEY.

GOOD EVENING, BETTY BRINKLEY. 945 SOUTHEAST NASSAU. LAST COMMISSION MEETING. I SPOKE ABOUT 10TH STREETS. I'M ON THE WEST SIDE AND TWO SCHOOL TERMS. I'VE BEEN OUT THERE. I HAVE A GREAT GRANDSON. I HAD TO MAKE SURE HE GET ACROSS THE STREET SAFELY EVERY MORNING. I HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND I'M OUT THERE TO ABOUT NINE, 10:00 OUTSIDE THERE AFTER HE GOES TO SCHOOL AND I'M NOTICING THE TRAFFIC WHEN HE GOING TO SCHOOL AND THE KIDS COMING FROM TARPON AND FROM MY STREET, NASSAU, CROSSING OVER. A LOT OF CARS ARE COMING THERE, THE CROSSWALK, BECAUSE I DON'T PAY THEM NO ATTENTION. THEY DON'T PAY NO ATTENTION. SO I GET UPSET AND I GO WALK IN THE ROAD SO THE KIDS CAN CROSS ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PAYING THEIR KIDS NO ATTENTION TO THE CARS, AND THEY SPEEDING. AND THERE'S SOME GUY EVERY MORNING COME THROUGH. HE MUST BE LATE FOR WORK. BUT HE TURNED INTO THE CITY. HE BE RIDING, HE BE RIDING ON SATURDAY. THEY BE RIDING. THEY COMING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I AIN'T DISCOUNT ANYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NOT RIDING. BUT THAT STREET. BUT KIDS GOT TO CROSS OVER TO GET TO SCHOOL.

THEY THEY SHOULD COME FIRST IN THE CAR. BEING CONVENIENT TO GET TO THE PARK. THEY CAN GO CRYSTAL WAY AND GET THE PARKER. BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT COUNTING THE KIDS. THEY DISMISS THE KIDS AND ALL THESE BIG OLD TRAILERS AND STUFF COMING THROUGH THERE. THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY GOT THE RECREATION CENTER WHERE THE KIDS CROSS ON THE WEEKEND, AND THESE CARS ARE SPEEDING. THEY ARE SPEEDING. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE MY BUDDY KEEPS. WHAT'S THAT? THEY DID I DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY THEY ARE SPEEDING. THEY ARE SPEEDING. I'M OUT THERE FIVE DAYS A WEEK, FOUR DAYS A WEEK IN SCHOOL, FOUR DAYS A WEEK. I'M OUT THERE 7:00 IN THE MORNING WATCHING, MAKE SURE HE GET CROSSED THE STREET AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT NOT ABLE TO TAKE THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL AND STUFF LIKE THAT. MAKE SURE THE KIDS ARE GETTING CROSSED SAFELY BECAUSE THEY TOTALLY NOT COUNTING THE KIDS AT ALL. THEY KEEP GOING. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MISS KEISHA.

YEAH, SORRY. THERE. THERE ARE THREE OF THEM. HI. MY NAME IS KEISHA DORIA. I'M A RESIDENT ON

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BUT THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO JUST CUT THAT STREET OFF FROM THE THROUGH TRAFFIC, BECAUSE, AGAIN, THERE'S NO REASON WE WOULDN'T BE BLOCKING ANY OTHER RESIDENTS. WE THERE'S ONLY EIGHT HOUSES ON THAT STREET. AND SO THERE'S NO REASON WHY ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T LIVE ON THAT STREET WOULD HAVE TO USE IT AS A MAIN THOROUGHFARE. SO THAT'S IT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 11 CHILDREN ON JUST ON HALL STREET.

YES, YES. SO DID THE CHILDREN CROSS AT HIBISCUS. SO IN THE MIDDLE OF 10TH THERE. YES. I MEAN OUR YOU KNOW, OUR STREET DOES USE THE CROSSING GUARD, BUT THERE'S PARENTS THAT COME THAT ARE TRYING TO BYPASS THE JD PARKER LINE AND THEY'RE PARKING THEIR CARS. THEY'RE LEAVING THEIR CARS RUNNING ON THIS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY ON THE SIDE OF THERE'S A HOUSE ON 10TH STREET AND THE CORNER OF HIBISCUS THAT'S BEEN NOBODY LIVES THERE. AND SO THEY'RE THEY'RE JUST LEAVING THEIR CARS RUNNING AND THEN RUNNING THE KIDS ACROSS. AND IT'S JUST CREATING AN ISSUE IN THE MORNINGS. COMING DOWN PALM BEACH ROAD, TURNING ONTO HALL AND PARKING ON YOUR STREET.

AND YES, THEN WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THEY'RE JUST GOING TO DRIVE HIM TO NINTH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE HAVE THAT SAME TIME, MISS JENNIFER KIDDER. SORRY, MR. ROSE AND I, I MEAN, IT BECOMES.

HELLO, MY NAME IS JENNIFER KADEER. I'M A MOTHER OF TWO. I LIVE ON FLAMINGO STREET AND TRAFFIC HAS BEEN AN ISSUE. MY KIDS DON'T EVEN PLAY IN THE FRONT YARD LIKE CHRIS KNOWS.

FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN I WOULD, I WAS WALKING EVERY DAY. HE WOULD SEE ME ALL THE TIME. NOW MY KIDS JUST DON'T GO OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GET HIT BY A CAR, LITERALLY GOING TO GET HIT BY A CAR. WE LIVE AFTER THAT CURVE COMING FROM SOUTHEAST OCEAN, AND THEN YOU CURVE AROUND, PEOPLE SPEED UP AND YOU SEE A BIG, WIDE OPEN LONG ROAD BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FOLIAGE, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ONE. THE STREETS WIDER THAN MOST OF THE OTHER STREETS. IT'S ABOUT 20FT WIDE WHEN THE OTHER STREETS. I DON'T KNOW HOW WIDE THEY ARE, BUT SHE HAS TOLD ME BEFORE HOW WIDE THEY ARE, AND I'VE EVEN VERY MINDFULLY GONE THROUGH EACH STREET WITH KNOWING NOW THAT, LIKE YOU SPEED UP AFTER A SPEED BUMP OR LIKE OPEN AREAS MAKE YOU SPEED FASTER. SO NOW WHEN I DRIVE AROUND, I NOTICE THESE THINGS ABOUT MYSELF. OKAY, THIS IS WHY I'M DOING THIS NOW. OR I'M NOT SAYING THAT LIKE I'M A PERFECT DRIVER BECAUSE I'M NOT. BUT WE NEED THINGS TO HELP US TO NOT WANT TO SPEED UP WHEN YOU'RE LATE OR YOU'RE RUSHING OR YOU'RE TRYING TO GET YOUR KIDS TO SCHOOL. IT'S NOT REALLY FAIR THAT OUR STREET IS USED AS A CUT THROUGH FLAMINGOS, USED AS A CUT THROUGH FOR 10TH STREET, BECAUSE SAINT JOE'S AND JD PARKER ARE BACK THERE. ALSO, PEOPLE JUST FLY LIKE LITERALLY FLY DOWN THAT STREET. ALL THE OTHER STREETS ARE BAD TOO, BUT BECAUSE IT GOES STRAIGHT FROM 10TH TO SOUTHEAST OCEAN AND IT'S SO WIDE OPEN, PEOPLE JUST SPEED AND THE STOP SIGNS DON'T REALLY HELP IT. I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE CUTOUTS, BUT WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS ENTIRE PROJECT, WE NEED TO START PRIORITIZING THE FAMILIES FIRST AND NOT THE CARS. THE MORE YOU PRIORITIZE THE CARS, THE LESS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE PEOPLE. AND SO WE NEED TO REDESIGN THESE STREETS. EVEN SOUTHEAST OCEAN NEEDS TO BE

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PERSONALLY, I'M A PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT. I WORK FOR THE VA HOSPITAL, AND IT IS VERY HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO WANT TO EXERCISE WHEN IT IS SO HOT AND THERE IS NO SHADE, AND NO ONE WANTS TO WALK ON A STREET HUFFING AND SMOG WITH BRIGHT SUN. AND IT'S JUST NOT ENJOYABLE, YOU KNOW? YOU SEE THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SOUTHEAST OCEAN, LIKE WHERE OSCEOLA AND EVERYTHING IS.

THEY EXERCISE ALL THE TIME. THEY'RE OUT THERE WALKING THEIR DOGS. AND YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THEY HAVE TREES. THEY HAVE NARROWER STREETS, AND IT'S MORE ENJOYABLE BECAUSE OF THE FOLIAGE, BECAUSE YOU FEEL CONNECTED TO NATURE. AND WE NEED TO BRING THAT TO OUR SIDE. BY NO MEANS AM I A TRAFFIC EXPERT, BUT I GREW UP IN JUPITER AND A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE THOSE BUMPOUTS AND CUTOUTS AND THINGS THAT JUST NATURALLY MAKE YOU DRIVE BETTER OR SLOWER, I SHOULD SAY. BUT THOSE ARE THE REASONS THAT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A MEETING TO TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT IDEAS. BUT WE DO HAVE TO PRIORITIZE FAMILIES AND NOT CARS. FIRST. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. FRANK MCCRYSTAL. HE STEPPED OUTSIDE. KEEP IN MIND THIS AREA IS NOT PART OF THE CRA, SO FORGET ABOUT FINDING FUNDS FOR IT. FIVE, MAYBE SIX OFFICERS ON DUTY AT ANY ONE TIME FOR THE WHOLE CITY OF STUART. LAWLESSNESS EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTY, LAWLESSNESS EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT I'VE I'VE POLITELY TALKED TO TUMINELLI 30 TIMES AND SAID, HEY MAN, EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD FROM THE BRIDGE TO MONTEREY, 60, 70 MILES AN HOUR IF SOMEONE'S GOING TO GET KILLED. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I HAVE EMPATHY FOR MR. TUMINELLI. I KNOW HE HAS FIVE OFFICERS PER SHIFT. 10TH STREET WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CONNECTOR ROAD. IT IS A BUSY ROAD. IT WILL ALWAYS HAS BEEN. ALWAYS WILL BE. IT CONNECTS THOSE ALL THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS TO PALM BEACH ROAD, PERIOD. SO IF YOU'RE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, MAYBE BY THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND I WAS LOOKING FOR A HOUSE TO BUY, MAYBE I WOULDN'T BUY A HOUSE ON A CONNECTOR ROAD. AND I CAN'T THINK OF A MORE PERFECT TIME TO TALK ABOUT HOW TO RAISE YOUR KIDS. IF YOU HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN, YOU NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE. YOUR YOUNG CHILD NEEDS TO KNOW ONE THING WHEN THEY HEAR THE WORD NO VERY LOUDLY, THEY NEED TO FREEZE IN THEIR TRACKS. THEY NEED TO FREEZE IN THEIR TRACKS BECAUSE THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT IF THEY CONTINUE DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHEN YOU SAY NO, OKAY, THEN THE NEXT THING THAT HAPPENS IS DIRE AND IT'S PAINFUL AND IT'S GOING TO BE SOME HEAT ON THOSE GLUTES. SO PLEASE, YOUNG PARENTS, DON'T SACRIFICE CORPORAL PUNISHMENT. BE RESPONSIBLE AND TEACH YOUR KIDS WHAT THE WORD NO MEANS, BECAUSE ONE DAY WHEN THEY'RE RUNNING FOR THE STREET AND YOU YELL NO! AND THEY JUST THINK, WELL, I'LL NEGOTIATE THIS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, BOOM. OKAY, BUT PLEASE DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT LOWERING TRAFFIC. YOU KNOW, LOWERING THE SPEED MORE. IT'S JUST NOT. I DRIVE THAT ROAD EVERY DAY CONSISTENTLY. YOU'VE GOT AN ARMY OF PEOPLE THERE DURING THE SCHOOL HOURS DOING QUITE A GOOD JOB. THAT'S IT. AND EVERYONE'S DOING 20 AT THOSE TIMES. NOW, WHEN I SEE A WHEN I SEE A TRAFFIC SIGN THAT SAYS 25, I MIGHT DO 31, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO DO 45, I'M NOT GOING TO DO 50. I'M NOT GOING TO BE CRAZY. SO EMPATHY FOR HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE TO SPEND AND THE AMOUNT OF OFFICERS WE HAVE ON DUTY AT ANY ONE TIME, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALBERT BRINKLEY.

I'D SAY GOOD EVENING. IT'S FUNNY HOW GOD WORKS BECAUSE THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF WHY I'M HERE

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SOMETIMES WE DON'T EVEN THINK RIGHT AT TIMES. THIS IS DANGEROUS. Y'ALL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON TO 10TH STREET. THEY DO NOT SLOW DOWN ON 10TH STREET. THEY COME OFF OF FLORIDA FLYING, DOING KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. AND LISTEN, IT'S NOT JUST 10TH STREET. MARTIN LUTHER KING IS THE SAME THING. YOU ALL. I'M ON BOTH OF THESE STREETS EVERY DAY. THE OTHER JUST THE OTHER DAY, I HAD TO HOLLER AT THE INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE IN THE CROSSWALK, THEY DON'T STOP AT THE CROSSWALK. ME AND MY GRANDBABY, I'M. I'M BRINGING HER FROM BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. I HAD TO HOLLER AT THE DRIVER BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE CROSSWALK LIKE WE DIDN'T EVEN EXIST. WHEN YOU'RE IN THE CROSSWALK ON MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD, THEY DO NOT STOP. AND THIS IS A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION. I CALL THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT, TALK WITH THE SUPERVISOR OF THE CROSSING GUARD. SHE SAYS, OH, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH. I SAID, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LIFE OF THESE KIDS? WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT? YOU PUTTING SOMEONE THERE? ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT? YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH GUARDS TO PUT THERE. IT IS DANGEROUS. ESPECIALLY NOW WITH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. THERE. YOU HAVE THE BUSSES GOING THROUGH. THERE YOU HAVE PARENTS COMING OUT OF THERE. KIDS IS CROSSING THERE. THIS IS DANGEROUS. I TALKED TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY AND SHE TOLD ME THAT ONE CHILD DID GET HIT ON THE BICYCLE. THANK GOD THEY DIDN'T GET HURT. THIS IS DANGEROUS, Y'ALL. 10TH STREET, MARTIN LUTHER KING. IT'S JUST LIKE A THOROUGHFARE. THEY COME CROSS THE RAILROAD TRACK FLYING DOWN MARTIN LUTHER KING.

ARE THEY COMING FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? WAY FLYING. I STOOD OUT THERE. WHEN I GET MY GRANDBABY, I STAND AND HOLLER AT HIM, SLOW DOWN. THIS IS DANGEROUS, Y'ALL. HOPEFULLY NOBODY GET KILLED. BUT THIS NEED TO STOP THIS. SO SOME CHILD GET KILLED OR SOMEBODY GET KILLED.

LET'S DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS NOW BEFORE SOMETHING SERIOUS HAPPEN. BECAUSE I'M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW BY ME BEING OUT THERE EVERY DAY. EVENTUALLY, Y'ALL, SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET HURT. I DIDN'T KNOW I USED TO GO TO CHURCH DOWN AT THE STEWART CHURCH OF CHRIST. IT USED TO BE A TIME I JUST LEAD WORSHIP AND JUST GO OUT THERE. YOU CAN DO THAT. AFTER PLENTY OF TIME, I HAD TO ACTUALLY STOP BECAUSE THEY COME OFF OF THAT HUMP DOWN BY J.D. PARKER FLYING. THEY DISREGARD Y'ALL. IF SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE. AND IT'S JUST THE WORK OF GOD THAT I'M HERE AND THEY TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING THAT HAS HAPPENED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 10TH STREET. IT'S SOMETHING NEED TO BE DONE. IF YOU START GETTING THAT TICKET, MAYBE THAT HIT SOMEBODY OR SOMETHING, BUT IT'S NOT RIGHT. Y'ALL. THIS IS DANIEL, MARTIN LUTHER KING AND 10TH STREET.

IT'S THE SAME IDEA THING. I GUESS THEY JUST USING THAT AS A THOROUGHFARE. SOMETHING NEED TO BE DONE. IF THEY START GETTING SOME TICKETS, EVENTUALLY THEY'LL STOP. AND THIS IS DURING THE SCHOOL HOURS OUT IN THE MORNING. ON ON, ON ON MARTIN LUTHER KING. AND IN THE AFTERNOON ON MARTIN LUTHER KING. THEY DISREGARD THE KIDS. AND THAT IS WRONG, Y'ALL. SOMETHING NEED TO BE DONE. THIS IS DANGEROUS. AND CHIEF DESERVE WHATEVER HE GOT. ZACK DESERVE WHATEVER HE GOT. GOOD. OFFICER.

THANK YOU. MAYOR, I HAVE NO MORE. THANK YOU. MR. ROSE. MR. COMMISSIONER CLARK, THERE'S ANOTHER COMMENT COMING UP. THERE IS. MR. LOUIS ROSIER. AND GOOD EVENING TO EVERYBODY. GOOD

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I'M TALKING ABOUT 50 MILES AN HOUR. AND LET ME TELL YOU ANOTHER THING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED OR WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE THEY'RE COMING OUT OF POLICE DEPARTMENT EARLY IN THE MORNING. THEY FLYING? I'M TALKING ABOUT GETTING IT WITH RACE CARS, BIG TRUCKS FLYING. NEIGHBOR, NEIGHBOR, SIN AND ALL. ALL THIS IS THERE'S A PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT 10TH STREET, BUT THE BIGGER PROBLEM IS ON MARTIN LUTHER KING. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE MORE, MR. VINCENT. AND YOU KNOW. I. VINCENT. ANTONIO. I LIVE ON 1470 SOUTHEAST ANDREWS STREET. AND THAT'S THE ROUTE THAT MY DAUGHTER, SHE'S IN SECOND GRADE.

WE RIDE FROM OUR HOUSE TO J.D. PARKER AND MY SON. HE GRADUATED FROM J.D. PARKER LAST YEAR. HE'S IN STEWART MIDDLE. SO FOR ABOUT SOLID FIVE YEARS WE'VE BEEN RIDING FROM OUR HOUSE TO J TO DROP THE KIDS OFF AT J.B. PARKER. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THE SPEEDING ON 10TH STREET, WHICH I HAVE SEEN. SO THAT'S THAT'S ALL TRUE. BUT I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT, SIR, ARE YOU RIDING IN A CAR OR ON A BICYCLE? A BICYCLE BICYCLE. YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE BIKING. OKAY.

SO WE BIKE EVERY DAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT, FOR CLEARING THAT UP. BUT I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT OUR SORT OF UNIQUE PROBLEM THAT WE FACE. AND, AND IT'S PROBABLY ACCOUNTS FOR ALL PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE CLOSE CALLS WE'VE HAD WITH CARS IS WE BIKE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF, WE STAY ON THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LITTLE GIRL DON'T WANT TO BE RIDING ON THE STREET, AND WE'RE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 10TH STREET AND ALL OF OUR INTERACTIONS AND NEAR-MISSES WITH CARS ARE THAT WHEN SAINT JOSEPH'S PARENTS ARE LEAVING AFTER DROPPING OFF THEIR KIDS AT THAT CROSSWALK WHERE THERE IS A STOP SIGN THAT IS THE SOURCE OF. I'VE HAD ABOUT 5 OR 6 CLOSE CALLS SINCE, SINCE WE'VE BEEN BIKING OUR KIDS TO SCHOOL, AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE. SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER THING TO ON TOP OF ANY SPEEDING ISSUES. AND SO I'VE OBSERVED PARENTS AFTER THEY DROP THEIR KIDS OFF THERE. SOMETIMES THEY'RE ACTUALLY SPEEDING UP AND THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE STOP SIGN IN THE CROSSWALK. THEY'RE LOOKING 200 YARDS TO THE LEFT, 200 YARDS TO THE RIGHT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY CARS COMING. AND IF THEY DON'T SEE CARS COMING, THEY'RE SPEEDING UP. THEY'RE NOT LOOKING. HERE. SO I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF A WORKSHOP, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU INCLUDE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AND INVITE THE SAINT, THE SAINT JOSEPH'S COMMUNITY. WE'RE PARISHIONERS TO PARISHIONERS AS WELL. SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE ENCOUNTER VERY FREQUENTLY AND VERY FREQUENTLY. I SEE CARS LEAVING AFTER THEY DROP OFF THEIR KIDS. THEY'RE NOT STOPPING AT THAT STOP SIGN, OR THEY'RE STOPPING WELL OVER THE CROSSWALK OR NOT STOPPING AT ALL. SO THIS IS AT SAINT JOSEPH'S AND 10TH, RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH. EXACTLY.

RIGHT. AS THEY'RE LEAVING AFTER THEIR CAR LINE, IT'S ACTUALLY THE SAINT JOSEPH'S DRIVEWAY.

IT'S NOT NOT SAINT JOSEPH'S STREET. YES, IT'S THEIR DRIVEWAY. RIGHT. AND JOSEPH'S AVENUE. RIGHT. BUT IT'S JUST THEIR DRIVEWAY. IT'S THEIR DRIVEWAY. AFTER THEY DROP THEIR CARS OFF, I WOULD DROP THEIR KIDS OFF AND THEY'RE THEY'RE LEAVING TO GET ONTO 10TH STREET.

RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE CARS ARE PULLING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY, AND BY THE VERY NATURE, THEY'RE LOOKING TO THE LEFT TO SEE THE ONCOMING TRAFFIC. AND THEY'RE

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IN THE MEANTIME, WE STILL HAVE TRAFFIC EVERYWHERE. IT'S NOT JUST AROUND THE SCHOOLS. IT'S

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YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL NEIGHBORHOODS, PEOPLE DRIVING AND WISHING TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. JUST SLOW DOWN. MAYBE WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO ENFORCE THAT. I KNOW THAT YOU ONLY HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, BUT WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT 1 OR 2 BLOCKS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE AREA. THERE'S A LOT OF FAMILIES, A LOT OF CHILDREN. AND LET'S NOT WAIT UNTIL SOME CHILD IS HIT BY A CAR. SO I THINK A WORKSHOP IS A GOOD IDEA INVOLVING THE COMMUNITY ON THE WHOLE. AND ALL OF THE SCHOOLS AND WHATNOT INVOLVED. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION REGARDING THIS MATTER? I THINK I THINK MR. MARTEL HAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. IF THE IF THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION IS TO HAVE A WORKSHOP, WE COULD DO THAT BEFORE WE COME BACK WITH ANY IDEAS OR GO TO CONSULTANT BECAUSE THE WORKSHOP IS PROBABLY WHERE THE IDEAS WOULD COME FROM. SO IF YOU GUYS WANT US TO, WE CAN SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP AND WE CAN PICK A DATE NOW IF YOU WANT. BUT IF YOU HAVE A WORKSHOP, THEN YOU ARE GIVING THE PUBLIC SOME OPTIONS FOR WHAT TO PICK FROM. WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, THAT'S THE QUESTION. WHEN DO YOU. BECAUSE IF I WERE TO GO OUT AND HIRE SOMEBODY AND SAY TO THEM, TELL ME WHAT TO DO ON FLAMINGO, MADISON DOLPHIN AND 10TH STREET, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS AT MLK BOULEVARD AND PALM BEACH ROAD. THEY'RE GOING TO DO FLAMINGO, MADISON DOLPHIN, AND 10TH STREET. SO IF YOU HAVE A IF THIS WORKSHOP IS A, YOU KNOW, I HEARD COMMISSIONER JOB SAY EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD. SO IS THIS A GLOBAL DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OR IS THIS A 10TH STREET IN SAINT JOE'S DISCUSSION? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HIRE THE CONSULTANT AND BE OFF AND NOT GOING DOWN THE RIGHT PATH. IT CAN GO EITHER WAY. I CAN I CAN COME BACK AND WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE NEXT MEETING OF WHO THE CONSULTANT WOULD BE, AND WE COULD ACTUALLY SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP AND HAVE THE CONSULTANT GO LISTEN TO IT. OR WE COULD THE COMMISSION CAN TELL US TO HAVE THE CONSULTANT COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS AND THEN HAVE THE WORKSHOP BE WHERE IT BE PRESENTED. BUT THAT WOULD A WORKSHOP. THEN BY THE TIME THE CONSULTANT IS PRESENTING THE CONCLUSIONS, THE WORKSHOP IS NO LONGER NECESSARY. RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD. SURE. COULD YOU COME TO THE LECTERN, PLEASE? I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE A CONSULTANT DIRECTION, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THEY DO HAVE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK BEFORE THEY START MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS, BECAUSE THEY NEED TO KNOW THE VERY SPECIFIC INS AND OUTS OF EACH ISSUE.

YOU'VE HEARD ALL THESE DIFFERENT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT ISSUES ON THEIR STREETS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIMITS OF THAT STUDY ARE. I DID NOT MENTION THE WEST SIDE OF 10TH STREET OR MLK, BECAUSE THAT'S IN THE CRA, AND I DIDN'T WANT IT TO FEEL LIKE A CONFLICT SINCE I'M A CRB BOARD MEMBER. BUT CERTAINLY THOSE ARE CONNECTING TO IMPORTANT PLACES TOO. BUT I WOULD SAY I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A CONSULTANT GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS UNTIL THE CONSULTANT HEARS FROM THE COMMUNITY WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE, BECAUSE THAT FEEDBACK IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS SPEED STUDIES OR OTHER INPUT THAT THEY'RE TAKING TO MAKE DECISIONS. SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? WOULD YOU HAVE MULTIPLE WORKSHOPS? BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO GET YOU'D GET FEEDBACK THEN. WELL, I, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, IF WE ADVERTISE A WORKSHOP JUST FOR BONNIE, FOR TIME, I'M GOING TO HAVE THE PEOPLE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS 10TH STREET ISSUE. NOBODY'S GOING TO COME REGARDING EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD. NOBODY'S GOING TO COME REGARDING THE GENERALITIES OF PALM BEACH ROAD, RIGHT? THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO SHOW UP BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SPEEDING DON'T ACTUALLY CARE. I MEAN, IT'S SAD, BUT THEY DON'T. THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE DRIVING THROUGH. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY'RE CUTTING THROUGH IT TO GET TO ANOTHER DESTINATION. SO THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED WITH IT. EDUCATION OF THE DRIVER IS THEN VERY IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, AFFECTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND CUTTING THROUGH. IT REALLY DOES GO TO THAT POINT, I WILL SAY, AND THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD CALLS THEM THE SPEEDING CATHOLICS. MY SON ATTENDS THAT SCHOOL. SO WE LOVE SAINT JOE'S, BUT WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE PRINCIPAL, AND SHE HAS REPEATEDLY EXPRESSED CONCERN TO THE PARENTS. AND I KNOW THAT FATHER NOEL HAS DONE SO DURING CHURCH SERVICES AS WELL. SO THEY KNOW ABOUT THE ISSUE. THE SPEEDING CATHOLICS. I WANT TO GET THAT. YES, THE SPEEDING CATHOLICS. YEAH, BUT

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SO YEAH. SO I THINK THAT MLK IS RELEVANT. YEAH. THANK YOU. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF THE BOARD HERE, HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED. YOU WANT TO HAVE A WORKSHOP FOR ALL OF EAST STUART.

AND LET ME LET ME BRING IT TO STAFF TOMORROW, AND THEN I'LL BRING IT BACK ON THE. OKAY, MARCH 24TH MEETING FOR YOU GUYS TO MAKE A DIRECTION ON WHEN THE THANK YOU WOULD BE AND WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE. YOUR SCOPE WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE OCEAN TO 10TH, ALL THE ROADS IN STUART, INCLUDING PORT SAINT LUCIE AND HOBE SOUND. AND I'M NOT SAYING IF WE I'M NOT SAYING IF WE JUST TAKE ONE, WE WON'T DO THE OTHER, BUT PERHAPS AT A SEPARATE TIME. I'M NOT SURE. I MEAN, I'LL TRY AND LIMIT IT TO SOMETHING THAT'S MANAGEABLE, THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY AFFECT. NOW, MISS MOSER SAID TO ME THAT THE NEW HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, ONE OF HIS PRIORITIES IS PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. OH, OKAY. SO WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ALIGN OUR INTERESTS THERE. MAYOR, COMMISSIONER JOB IN THE INTERIM. AND I'M NOT LOOKING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT IS THERE ANY WAY IN THE INTERIM, WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THIS MOTION FROM THE COMMISSION OF HOW TO GO FORWARD, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT DURING AT LEAST THE SCHOOL HOURS, THERE COULD BE INCREASED POLICE PRESENCE TO STOP SOME OF THIS? SO THEY ARE ALREADY DOING THAT? AS A MATTER OF FACT, CAPTAIN HURTADO TOLD ME THEY WERE OUT THIS MORNING, STOP SEVEN PEOPLE FOR SPEEDING. SO THAT IS A CONTINUOUS BASIS AND TO THE POINT OF BEING SPECIFIC, HAVING SPECIFIC OFFICERS FOR THAT LOCALE, SUCH AS A TRAFFIC UNIT, YOU HAVE GRACEFULLY, GRACEFULLY GAVE ME THREE FOR A TRAFFIC UNIT. I AM IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT SO THAT THOSE SPECIFIC, THESE SPECIFIC COMPLAINTS CAN BE DIRECTED TO THE TRAFFIC UNIT. SO AT THIS POINT, I DO NOT HAVE IT FILLED YET, BUT THAT IS A POINT TO THE POINT OF FRANK AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED.

SO THESE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TRAFFIC, I HAVE SPECIFIC OFFICERS THREE THAT CAN TACKLE THESE CONCERNS BY THE CITIZENS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD INCREASE THE FINES IF YOU'RE TRAVELING THROUGH. I DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY. THAT'S THIS. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE TO GO, BECAUSE MAYBE IF THEY STARTED GETTING HIT WITH $500 FINES FOR SPEEDING IN A SCHOOL DISTRICT, THEY MIGHT STOP. THERE IS SPECIFIC FINES FOR SCHOOL ZONE VIOLATIONS. SO I, I AGREE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. EXCUSE ME, MR. MARTEL. ARE WE OKAY? THAT WILL BRING IT BACK. OKAY. MOVING ON. WHOA. TOOK A WHILE. THANK YOU FOR PARENTS FOR COMING AND CONCERNS. THERE'S NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT. POPPLETON CREEK LAKE MAINTENANCE. STAFF PRESENTATION ON THIS. I BELIEVE THERE IS. I THINK, CHIEF, YOU'RE STANDING HERE AND I'M SEEING. I'M LOOKING FOR MILTON RIGHT NOW. ARE THEY COMING OR. NO. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE THAT. THEY WERE UNABLE TO COME TODAY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ROLL THAT TO THEM. THAT'S FINE, BUT I WILL. I WILL TELL THE COMMISSION BRIEFLY THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE TWO COMPANIES. THIS ALL AROSE FROM MR. GIGLIO ASKING ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF LAKE OF THE CREEK LAKE. FOLLOWING MR. GIGLIO'S, THE CITY HIRED MR. GIGLIO TO DO A STUDY OF THE LAKE, AND WHEN HE COMPLETED HIS STUDY, THE CONCLUSION WAS THAT THE CITY SHOULD KEEP DOING WHAT IT WAS DOING. THOSE WERE THE ACTUAL THE SENTENCE. SO INSTEAD OF KEEPING DOING WHAT WE WERE DOING, MILTON AND I DID SOME RESEARCH AND FOUND A COMPANY THAT WE THAT THE CITY HAS HIRED, AND THE COMMISSION BUDGETED IT IN THE BUDGET CYCLE LAST SUMMER. THAT'S JUST MANAGING POPPLETON CREEK.

AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER COMPANY THAT'S MANAGING THE OTHER LAKES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. BUT THEY'VE BEEN MONITORING AND WE HAVE HAD NO SPRAYING BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY NECESSARY OTHER THAN THE VERY LIMITED THAT WAS AUTHORIZED BY THE COMMISSION. I THINK LAST YEAR. THE INTENTION

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WE FIND A VERY DIFFICULT BALANCE BETWEEN ALLOWING IT TO BE NATURAL HABITAT AND WHAT PEOPLE LIKE TO CALL A CIVIL SOCIETY, BECAUSE AS SOON AS WE ALLOW THAT GRASS TO GET LONGER THAN ABOUT SIX INCHES, WE START GETTING PHONE CALLS AND COMPLAINTS THAT THE LAKES ARE COMPLETELY UNRULY AND THAT WE NEED TO GO OUT THERE AND CUT THE LAKES. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS CONVERSATION CAME UP ON, WAS THE IDEA THAT WE NEEDED TO TRIM BACK A PORTION OF THE SIDE OF THE LAKE OR WHATEVER IT WAS. AND SO THE QUESTION REALLY BECOMES PREFERENCE OF THE OPERATOR. DO YOU WANT THE DUCKS AND FROGS AND TURTLES TO HAVE NESTS IN IT, OR DO YOU WANT IT TRIMMED BACK SO IT LOOKS LIKE A GOLF COURSE? BUT I WILL MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR THE COMPANY TO COME DO THE PRESENTATION NEXT MEETING AND WE'LL ADDRESS IT THEN. I VOTE FOR THE DUCKS AND FROGS. THANK YOU, MR. MARTEL.

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MR. MARTEL. I MEAN, THE MANNER IN WHICH WE WOULD ADDRESS IT, WE COULD REWRITE THE ORDINANCE.

RIGHT? YOU GUYS CAN WRITE IT TO WHATEVER YOU WANT. WHEN WE DID IT BEFORE, WE ACTUALLY CREATED A SOUND COMMITTEE BECAUSE PEOPLE HAD ISSUES WITH THE WORD NOISE. AND WE THEN HAD FIVE WORKSHOPS WHERE THE SOUND CAN BE MET AND WENT OVER IT. WE HAD THE POLICE DO SEVERAL STUDIES. WE TOOK THE DECIBEL MEASUREMENT GUN TO SEVERAL SITES. 3 OR 4 OF THE RESIDENTS BOUGHT THEIR OWN DECIBEL MEASURING GUNS AND WOULD COME AND PRESENT THEIR FINDINGS. AND THEN STAFF ACTUALLY, AND I STILL HAVE IT, BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO FIND IT AND SEND IT TO. THE EMAIL THAT WAS COMMENTING ON IT. BUT. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AFTER THOSE FOLLOWING REPORTS WAS A MORE COMPLICATED SERIES OF REGULATIONS THAT ALLOWED AN INCREASE OR HIGHER LEVEL OF NOISE, I THINK UNTIL 6 P.M. AND THEN FROM 6 TO 10 P.M. I THINK OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS 65DB, AND THEN AFTER TEN IT DROPPED DOWN EVEN FURTHER. BUT THE CITY COMMISSION AT THE TIME, I BELIEVE IF MY RECOLLECTION IS CORRECT, IT WAS. COMMISSIONER KRAUSKOPF MOTIONED FOR A MORE STRAIGHT NOISE ORDINANCE OR NOISE REGULATION THAT WAS SIMILAR TO OTHER COMMUNITIES, BECAUSE HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE REGULATIONS. YEAH, AND ENFORCEMENT IS A BIG ISSUE. BUT ALSO WITH THE AIRPORT, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES AND WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING MOTORCYCLE, AIRPORT, EMERGENCY VEHICLES, HORNS. THESE ARE ALL BY NOT BY

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AND THE OTHER THING IS, AMBIENT NOISE MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THAT TRAIN HORN RIGHT THERE WOULD BE CLEARLY OVER 80DB BECAUSE YOU COULD HEAR IT IN THIS ROOM. AND SO I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT. WELL, IT'S AN EXEMPT PORTION. BUT IF YOU HEAR THE PROBLEM IS YOU START GETTING INTO ABUSES, LIKE IF THE KIDS IN THE, IN THE NEXT DOOR, IN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR ARE SHRILLING BY THE POOL BECAUSE IT'S SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND THEY'RE HAVING FUN, THE FACT THAT YOU CAN HEAR IT IN YOUR HOUSE MEANS THEY'RE VIOLATING THE ORDINANCE. YEAH. AND SO IT WAS GETTING TO THESE EXTREME EXAMPLES THAT CAUSED IT TO RATHER THAN BEING RATIONAL AND ADDRESSING A PRIMARY ISSUE, YOU STARTED GETTING INTO THE WHAT IFS AND THE OTHER STUFF. BUT WE CAN'T AN ORDINANCE BE WRITTEN SO THAT IT ONLY APPLIES TO, YOU KNOW, NOT TRANSIENT EVENTS, BUT PERMANENT ESTABLISHMENTS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF CONCERN, CERTAINLY. BUT CHILDREN IN A POOL NEXT DOOR TO MY HOUSE IS A PERMANENT ESTABLISHMENT. OKAY. I MEAN, SO IT'S THE QUESTION IS WHO'S THE PANDORA'S BOX? WELL, AND IT ISN'T. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION DEBATED. I'M HAPPY TO BRING IT BACK.

COMPLAINTS ABOUT KIDS IN THE POOL. AS SOON AS YOU WE DID. AS SOON AS YOU CHANGE IT, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR INCOME OR THEIR BUSINESS, TURN AROUND AND FLIP IT ON YOU AS WHAT HAPPENS THAT THAT I MEAN, SO THE QUESTION BECOMES AMPLIFIED SOUND IS REALLY WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO REGULATE, RIGHT? NOT NON AMPLIFIED SOUND. SO THEN THEY SAID OKAY, SO IF I'M PLAYING THE GUITAR AND IT'S NOT PLUGGED INTO AN AMPLIFIER AND YOU START GOING TO THESE SEMANTICS. AND NO, THE INTENTION OF OUR ORDINANCE IS TO REGULATE AMPLIFIED SOUND. THAT'S IT. AND SO YOU CAN ADDRESS IT ACCORDINGLY. AND THE OTHER SIDE TO IT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN AT LEAST ONE EMAIL RECENTLY ABOUT THE NOISE ORDINANCE, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT LIKE, I HONESTLY, I HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH ABOUT IT IN SEVERAL YEARS, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THE WHETHER THERE'S SOUND REGULATIONS. WHEN I TALKED TO MR. STEINBERG, HE SAID, WELL, IT'S BECAUSE THE NOISE ORDINANCE IS SO HIGH, NOBODY COMPLAINS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T. AND MAYBE THAT IS THE CASE. SO FOR THE PROTECTION OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEIR ABILITY TO SLEEP IN PEACE, YOU KNOW, I THINK BRINGING THAT DOWN TO A MORE REASONABLE FESTIVAL OF 65. I MEAN, WELL, WILL THE BOARD TO BRING BACK AN ITEM, AN AGENDA ITEM FOR DISCUSSION AND ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT? AND OKAY, IS THAT OKAY? IS THAT OKAY? IS THAT SUFFICIENT? MR. YES IT IS.

OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO I HAVE ONE MORE SORRY. YOU'LL HAVE TO BE PATIENT WITH ME TONIGHT. I HAD QUITE A BIT. OKAY. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO THE MARTIN COUNTY BUSINESS BOARD OF DEVELOPMENT AND THE CITY OF STUART'S DECISION NOT TO FUND THE MKBHD'S 2025 WHAT WE FUND ON FEBRUARY 13TH, WILLIAM CORBIN, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE MARTIN COUNTY BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTER, EMAILED ALL BOARD MEMBERS THAT THE CITY OF STUART COMMISSION VOTED TO REMOVE THEIR $10,000 ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION IN SUPPORT OF THEIR SERVICES TO THE CITY FROM ITS BUDGET. MR. CORBIN NOTED THAT THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT REMAINS COMMITTED TO ENSURING BUSINESS IN THE CITY, AND KNOW THAT THEIR COMMITMENT REMAINS STEADFAST. I DID RESPOND TO THAT EMAIL WITH A NOTE TO MR. CORBIN THAT I VALUED THE WORK THAT HE DID AND HIS STAFF DID, BUT DEFINITELY MY FIRST PRIORITY IS TO THE CITY OF STUART TAXPAYERS. I AM A MEMBER OF THE MARTIN COUNTY BOARD OF DEVELOPERS, AND AT THE FEBRUARY 26TH MEETING, WILLIAM CORBIN, WHO IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, REPORTED THAT THE CITY WITHDREW THEIR COMMITMENT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. MR. CORBIN ONCE AGAIN STATED THAT THE BOARD WOULD CONTINUE TO BE COMMITTED TO BUSINESSES IN THE CITY OF

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GEORGE STOKES, THE ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, EMAILED ME A BREAKDOWN OF HOW THE COUNTY MONIES ARE ALLOCATED TO THAT BOARD. SEE ATTACHED COPY EXHIBIT NUMBER TWO, WHICH INCLUDES TAXES FROM THE CITY RESIDENTS WHO ARE ALSO TAXED BY MARTIN COUNTY. HENCE THE FEELING WE'RE BEING TAXED TWICE. LAUREN ABBOTT OF THE OCEANWIDE ELECTRONICS, A MEMBER OF THE BOARD, MADE A SUGGESTION WHICH I THOUGHT WAS GOOD THAT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES REMAIN PART OF THE PULSE PROGRAM. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT OUR BUSINESS OWNERS UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE STILL PART OF THE PROCESS. ANY BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF STUART WHO IS NOT PART OF THE PULSE PROGRAM SHOULD PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME SO I WILL CONNECT THEM WITH THE PROPER INDIVIDUAL TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT PROGRAM. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT A CURRENT LIST OF CITY BUSINESSES IN THE PULSE PROGRAM WOULD BE PROVIDED. AS STATED IN THE FEBRUARY 24TH CITY COMMISSION MEETING. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THAT LIST FROM THEM. HAD YOU RECEIVED ANY? I HAVE NOT RECEIVED IT.

OKAY, I'LL REACH BACK OUT TO THEM AND ASK THEM WHERE THAT LIST IS. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO KNOW WHICH BUSINESSES IN THE CITY ARE INVOLVED, AND BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THOSE WHO DID NOT. I WAS A BIT DISAPPOINTED AS TO THE QUESTIONING OF MY VOTE AS A CITY COMMISSIONER, NOT JUST ON THIS ISSUE, BUT MANY OTHER ISSUES AS A CITY COMMISSIONER, WHICH APPEARED TO BE THE INDIVIDUAL QUESTIONING ME THAT I VOTED IN A BLOCK. FIRST, I ADVISE THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT WHILE I MAY BE ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS IN THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD, MY FIRST PRIORITY IS TO THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY OF STUART. AS FOR MY OTHER VOTES AS A CITY COMMISSIONER, I EXPLAINED THAT ANYONE WHO READ OR HEARD MY CAMPAIGN GOALS WOULD KNOW THAT MY VISIONS AND VIEWS HAPPEN TO ALIGN TO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. MY QUESTION TO THEM WAS THAT OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, THERE WERE MANY PROJECTS PASSED WITH EXCESSIVE LEEWAY GIVEN TO DEVELOPERS, WITH A MAJORITY OF 4 TO 1 IN THE CITY OF STUART. I DON'T REMEMBER ANYONE IN THE PRESS OR OUR LOCAL, NOT SO FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR OR OTHERS OBJECTING TO THE 4 TO 1 BLOCK VOTE DURING THE PERIOD OF TIME. JUST SAYING THANK YOU. MR. CLARK. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO FIRST THANK CHIEF TUMINELLI FOR THE TIME THAT HE ACTED AS THE CITY MANAGER, AND HE DID WELL. YEAH, HE DID A GOOD JOB. YEAH, YOU DID GOOD. OKAY. ON MY SECOND THING IS SPEAKING OF THE TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT 10TH STREET AT THE JOINT CITY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD MEETING ON, I THINK IT WAS FRIDAY THE SEVENTH. WE HAD A JOINT MEETING AT THE BLAKE LIBRARY. AND I KNOW THAT I BROUGHT UP THE INTERSECTION OF PALM BEACH ROAD AND MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD BEFORE. AND BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE WITH PALM BEACH ROAD BEING A COUNTY ROAD. SO I BROUGHT IT UP WHEN EVERYBODY WAS THERE, THE COUNTY, THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE CITY. AND I'M HOPING THAT OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND OUR CITY MANAGER CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE MARTIN COUNTY AND SEE IF WE CAN TRY TO WORK SOMETHING. AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING IMPROVEMENTS MOSTLY ON THE WEST SIDE OF MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD, BUT I THINK WE JUST NEED TO CONTINUE WITH THAT SO THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER.

AND I KNOW THAT IF WE GET THIS CORRIDOR GOING, WHETHER WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 10TH STREET CORRIDOR ON EAST SIDE OR WEST SIDE OF PALM BEACH ROAD, AS WELL AS PALM BEACH ROAD ITSELF, WE JUST PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT A WHOLE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION WITH THE PEDESTRIANS AND THE BIKING AND OTHER THINGS IN MIND. IT'S TIME TO UPGRADE, AND SO WE NEED TO GET OUT ON THE GROUND AND GET OUR PLANNERS AND OTHER PEOPLE WORKING ON THAT. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE'VE APPROACHED THE AT LEAST WE BROUGHT THAT UP TO THE COUNTY, AND I'M HOPING THAT STAFF IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT. WITH THE COUNTY FOR PALM BEACH ROAD AND MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD. ON SATURDAY, I WENT TO THE PANCAKE BREAKFAST FOR THE KIWANIS CLUB, AND THAT PARK IS ALWAYS FULL, ALWAYS A JOYOUS PLACE TO BE. BUT LITERALLY UNTIL

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ACTUALLY AND PEOPLE HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU LISTENED TO THAT. DID THE PERSON SAY ANYTHING TO YOU? THEY HAVEN'T. THEY THEY SHOULD HAVE APOLOGIZED OR WHATEVER. WELL, THIS PERSON ACTUALLY CAME, YOU KNOW, AND I HAD CONCERN BECAUSE USUALLY WHEN THIS PERSON COMES TO THE PODIUM, THEY SAY A PRAYER BEFORE THEY SPEAK. AND I WAS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKED BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT I KNEW THEM BETTER THAN THAT. AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THEY BASICALLY HAD IT IN FOR ME AT THAT TIME BECAUSE OF THE STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE. BUT I KNOW THAT I'VE I'VE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT IT. SO FOR THOSE WHO ARE CONCERNED WHETHER OR NOT THIS PERSON NEEDS TO APOLOGIZE PUBLICLY OR WHATEVER, I'M JUST KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE HUMANS AND WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, FALLIBLE PEOPLE AND WE MAKE MISTAKES. OR IF, IF SOMEBODY'S CONSIDERED A MISTAKE.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO REALLY PROBABLY JUST GET THAT OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME ABOUT IT A LOT. AND IT HAPPENED IN A PUBLIC PLACE, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE BASIS OF WHY PEOPLE SAY OR DO WHAT THEY DO. BUT I JUST KNOW THAT THAT HAPPENED TO ME AND I WAS JUST CONCERNED. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I ACCEPTED WHEN THEY DID COME AND SPEAK TO ME, AND I'M JUST GOING TO LET IT GO AT THAT. I KNOW THAT I HAD ASKED STAFF TO HAVE THE CLIP PREPARED, BUT THOSE WHO WANT TO SEE IT CAN LOOK AT IT ON THE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IF THEY WANT TO. MY OTHER THING IS MR. MARTELL SENT OUT, AND I WISH I HAD ASKED FOR THAT CLIP TO BE PLAYED TODAY. HE HAD JUST SENT OUT A MESSAGE ABOUT THE BIEBER REPORT. WE'RE ALL CENSUS REPORT. YEAH, THE CENSUS REPORT. SO THE CENSUS WAS LIKE 20. WE'RE WE'RE THE FIFTH ALMOST GOING TO THE SIXTH. WELL, THE 2025, BUT THE CENSUS REPORT CAME OUT THAT SHOWED WHAT WE HOW WE'VE GROWN SINCE 1970, I THINK.

AND AT LEAST THE SECTION THAT YOU HAD AND WHAT OUR AVERAGE GROWTH FOR NUMBERS WITHIN THE CITY OF STEWART, WHETHER WE'RE MULTI-FAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR RESIDENTS IN IN HERE.

AND I THINK WE HAD AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT 18,000 PERSONS. MR. MARTELL, CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A LITTLE RUNDOWN ON THAT? 58? WHAT WAS THAT, SIR? 18,058 YES. AND WHAT WAS THE AVERAGE GROWTH RATE OR THE IT WAS 0.009, MEANING THAT IT WAS BELOW 1%. OVER WHAT PERIOD OF TIME? SINCE, I MEAN, ALL TIME. OH, ALL TIME. OKAY. AND THE AVERAGE OVER. WE KNOW THIS IS NONSENSE BECAUSE OUR PREVIOUS POPULATION WAS 17,000. WHEN WE'VE APPROVED SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO, YOU COULD ARGUE 2500 UNITS OF DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS 20. THIS IS WHICH WOULD BE ANOTHER 2000. YEAH. 20 2020.

THIS IS 2020 NUMBERS. BUT HISTORICALLY WE'VE HAD 17,000 PEOPLE FOR YEARS. SO TO SAY IT ONLY WE ONLY INCREASED BY 1000 IS COMPLETE NONSENSE SOMEWHERE. VICE MAYOR CAN I JUST ASK THAT WE NOT ARGUE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS WITH THEIR COMMENTS AND WE JUST ALLOW EACH OF US TO SPEAK AND WE CAN'T DISCUSS? I DON'T THINK IT'S I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATED GETTING THAT UPDATED INFORMATION FROM BIEBER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. THANK

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AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COMMENT YOU HEAR ME OFTEN MAKE. PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO ALL OF US AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL. AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. AND TO YOU, IT MAY SEEM INNOCUOUS, BUT IT CAN BE VERY HURTFUL. AND SO PERHAPS IT'S AN ADMONITION I SHOULD BEGIN, YOU KNOW, ALL PUBLIC COMMENT WITH FOR A WHILE JUST TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT WE SIT UP HERE TOGETHER, AS COMMISSIONER JOB INDICATES, TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS WE CAN, AND WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THAT MANNER, AND ESPECIALLY FOR ONE WHO SERVES ON OUR BOARDS TO BREACH THAT DECORUM. I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED TO SAY THAT I HATE PEOPLE. VICE MAYOR. MR. VICE MAYOR, YES. SO I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT AND TRY TO BRING A LITTLE GRAVITY AND REALITY BACK TO THE SITUATION. NOBODY SAID THEY HATE YOU. AND BEYOND THAT, I HOPE THAT NONE OF US ARE THAT THIN SKINNED. WE'VE ALL PUT OURSELVES IN A POSITION TO BE UP HERE AND TAKE IT ON THE CHIN BASED ON THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE. I'VE SAT HERE ALONG WITH SEVERAL OF US AND BEEN CALLED RACIST AND MANY OTHER TERRIBLE THINGS. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO THROW ANYBODY UNDER THE BUS FOR MAYBE NOT AGREEING WITH YOU AND BEING A LITTLE BIT HARSH, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE THICK SKIN AND WE'VE DECIDED TO BE IN THIS POSITION. CORRECT? RIGHT. WE'RE ALL ADULTS AND WE CAN HANDLE IT. AND IF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO CALL YOU WHATEVER THEY WANT TO CALL YOU, GO FOR IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE WE ALL GOT OUR BIG BOY AND BIG GIRL PANTS ON UP HERE. SO BEYOND THAT, MY COMMENTS WERE AROUND THE INITIAL CONFLICT ASSESSMENT MEETING WITH THE COUNTY, AND I WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW I'M SURE YOU WERE ABLE TO WATCH THAT ON LIVE STREAM IF YOU HAD TIME, BUT I FELT LIKE YOU WERE VERY WELL REPRESENTED, AT LEAST OUR MAJORITY PERSPECTIVE ON BRIGHTLINE. AND YOU KNOW, FROM MY END, I TRIED TO ECHO THAT THE CITY WAS NOT AGAINST A TRAIN STATION, EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS COMING AT US FROM THE COUNTY, THEIR PERSPECTIVE THAT WE WERE VERY MUCH FOR TRAIN STATION IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM, AND THAT ORIGINAL ISLA, WHICH WAS THE AGREEMENT THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING AND WHICH INCLUDED BRIGHTLINE PAYING HALF. SO I WAS PARTICULARLY IMPRESSED WITH STAFF. LEE BAGGETT IS A STUD, ALONG WITH MIKE MORTEL. WE KNOW HE WAS THE ONE THAT DID ALL THE LISTEN, YOU GUYS. IT WAS A TEAM EFFORT AND I WAS JUST VERY IMPRESSED ALL AROUND WITH THE CALIBER OF WHO REPRESENTED THE CITY AT THAT MEETING. SO WITH THAT, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO COMMENTS THIS EVENING BECAUSE I GOT CALLED FOR JURY DUTY AND DESPITE HAVING NUMBER 2582, FIVE EIGHT AND THE REASSURANCES OF MR. MARTELL THAT I WOULD NEVER BE CALLED, I WAS THE THIRD ONE CALLED. HE'S HERE. AND WE WERE FINALLY JUST ABOUT TO ENTER THE COURTROOM WHEN, SURPRISE, SURPRISE, THEY SETTLED. SO I WAS NOT SEATED, BUT IT WAS A VERY LONG DAY. STANDING AT THE

[COMMENTS BY CITY MANAGER ]

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THE REASON I MENTIONED IT IS BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU DRIVE PAST THERE AND IT SAYS LOADING ZONE ONLY, AND THERE'LL BE THESE EMPTY PARKING SPACES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, AND PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GET FRUSTRATED AND SAY, WHY ARE YOU RESERVING ALL THESE PARKING SPACES? BUT IT'S WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF LOADING ZONE. IT IS NOT THE STAGING AREA FOR THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S DOING THE WORK. HE'S USING SOME OTHER LOCATIONS FOR THE ACTUAL STAGING OF HIS EQUIPMENT, BUT IT'S LITERALLY A RESERVATION OF A SPACE THAT WE CAN DIRECT THE CISCO AND OTHER TYPES OF DELIVERY TRUCKS TO BE ABLE TO GO TO IN DOWNTOWN WHEN DELIVERING TO THE DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN. WE'VE REALLY GONE BACK AND FORTH ON IT, AND THAT'S THE BEST SOLUTION WE CAN COME UP WITH. AND THEN THE OTHER THING WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IN SPEAKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF WHILE I WAS ABSENT, JOE TUMINELLI, WHO HAD YOU GUYS HAD SCHEDULED THE MEETING FOR MARCH 20TH. THAT WAS COINCIDING WITH AN NAACP MEETING AT THE 10TH STREET REC CENTER IN EAST STUART. IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT POTENTIALLY HAVING A MODERATOR OR FACILITATOR THERE. AND THEN AFTER WATCHING THE MEETING, IT LOOKED LIKE THE COMMISSION WANTED TO HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP SIMILAR TO THE WORKSHOPS THAT THE COMMISSION HAD HAD AS PART OF THE ZONING IN PROGRESS. AND AS A RESULT, WE DISCUSSED THAT WE WOULD BRING IT UP TONIGHT AND GET BETTER DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION. AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE BEGUN TO NOTICE THE MEETING TO TAKE PLACE AT 5 P.M. ON MARCH 20TH AT THE 10TH STREET REC CENTER, ON MARCH 20TH AT 6 P.M. AT THE 10TH STREET REC CENTER IS A REGULARLY SCHEDULED NAACP MEETING. I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP, AND HE'S FINE WITH IT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE IT A JOINT MEETING WITH THE NAACP AND HAVE THEIR BOARD AND OUR BOARD, AS YOU KNOW, TWO BOARDS UP THERE AT THE SAME TIME, OR IF WE WANTED TO HAVE IT AS A REGULAR SCHEDULED CITY COMMISSION MEETING SO THAT IT WAS JUST OUR BOARD AND YOU GUYS COULD TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND OR WHATEVER YOU WANTED, OR DID YOU WANT US TO HIRE A FACILITATOR, OR DID THE COMMISSION WANT TO APPOINT A FACILITATOR OR MODERATOR, OR DID YOU WANT TO JUST GO AND ACCEPT IT AS PUBLIC COMMENT? MY PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE THAT THIS THIS WHAT WE DID WAS PUNT. WE PULLED OUT THE EAST STEWART SPECIFIC PORTION OF ALLOWABLE USE FOR THAT TO BE OUR SECOND READING. SO INSTEAD OF TURNING TURNING THIS INTO A LARGER JOINT SESSION WITH NAACP, MY INTENT FOR THIS MEETING AND PULLING THAT OUT WAS TO BE IN FRONT OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND EXPLAIN WHAT WE WERE DOING AND GET FEEDBACK. AND IF AT THAT TIME WE FOUND THAT IT WAS WILDLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE WERE PLANNING ON VOTING ON, IT NEEDED TO BE MODIFIED TO THE POINT OF GOING BACK TO THE CRB OR AN LPA. MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT SITUATION, BUT MY INTENT WAS A SECOND READING. SOLELY. AND WHAT'S ALSO WITHOUT A MODERATOR? JUST A TYPICAL CITY COMMISSION MEETING. JUST COMMISSIONER CLARK? YEAH, JUST A REGULAR. I THOUGHT THAT THE WHOLE POINT WAS THAT WE WOULD USE THAT TIME. THE NAACP MEETING WOULD NOT OCCUR. IT WAS JUST THAT IT WAS THEIR TIME FOR THE COMMUNITY DAY AT THE CIVIC CENTER. AND SO WE WOULD USE THAT AND HAVE A CITY COMMISSION MEETING FOR AS LONG OR SHORT AS IT NEEDS TO BE TO GO OVER THE EAST STEWART CODE. AND I KNOW. YEAH. AND IT WAS MY INTENTION TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION, THE CURRENT EAST STEWART CODE, THE PAST EAST STEWART CODE, THE PROPOSED EAST STEWART CODE AND THE HISTORY OF KIND OF HOW WE GOT HERE AND WHEN THESE CODES WERE ADOPTED. AND THEN THE QUESTION WAS, AT THAT POINT, DO WE JUST TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, OR DO YOU WANT TO TURN IT INTO LIKE A CHARRETTE WHERE PEOPLE BREAK UP INTO EIGHT DIFFERENT TABLES OF FIVE AND YOU GIVE THEM QUESTIONS TO ANSWER, AND THE MODERATOR GOES TO EACH TABLE AND HAS A WHITEBOARD AND STARTS WRITING DOWN IDEAS AND SUBJECTS AND COMMENTS. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS WANTED BECAUSE I WASN'T PRESENT. THE ONLY PART OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED THAT'S NOT

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SO THIS IS TRULY THE CHAPTER 3.02.03 THE TABLE OF THE EAST STEWART USES AND THE EAST STEWART OVERLAY ZONE AND THE EAST STEWART FORM BASED CODE TEXT AMENDMENT. BUT I DO AGREE THAT WE WOULD ALSO INCLUDE SOME DISCUSSION. AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT TONIGHT AS WELL AS IT RELATES TO A MAP AMENDMENT BECAUSE AND THAT SHOULD BE AT THAT MEETING THE BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF OUR PROPOSALS, EVEN THOUGH WE WON'T BE VOTING ON IT THAT NIGHT, IS THAT FUTURE MAP AMENDMENT AND HISTORICALLY WHAT IT WAS, WHAT IT IS NOW AND THEN GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD WANT THOSE DIFFERENT STREETS TO BE EITHER RESIDENTIAL OR MIXED USE OR SOME SOMETHING ELSE. COMMISSIONER CLARK. YEAH. SO, COMMISSIONER JOE SO I JUST I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION. SO WOULD IT BE RAN LIKE A REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING THEN? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU. GOTCHA. OKAY. I THOUGHT WE HAD DISCUSSED MAYBE A MODERATOR AT THE LAST MEETING. UNLESS I MISINTERPRETED IT. I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S A HYBRID. IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A HYBRID. WE STARTED. AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT WE HAD JUST PUT THE WORKSHOPS WE HAD DURING FORM BASED CODE, THE COMMISSIONERS, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO SIT AND LISTEN AND LEARN, AND THAT IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE A REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING, WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING? BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING IT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE CAN RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM FOUR BLOCKS FROM THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE. WE'RE GOING TO BE. SO WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE.

OKAY. I'M SORRY. COULD YOU FINISH YOUR REMARKS? YEAH. OKAY. I'D PREFER TO HAVE A MODERATOR THERE. AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS MAYBE FOR CLARIFICATION FOR CERTAIN THINGS, JUST MAKING SURE THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS, BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THESE WORDS WE USE UP HERE. SO FOR CLARIFICATION, IF YOU ASK, I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, THE NEXT QUESTION IS WHO DO YOU GUYS WANT AS THE MODERATOR, RIGHT. YEAH. WELL THAT'S OKAY. BUT BUT THE ROLE OF A MODERATOR IS NOT GOING TO BE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSIONER OR FOR THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE THAT REALLY IS THE COMMISSIONER'S ROLE. THE ROLE OF THE MODERATOR IS GOING TO ORGANIZE THE PUBLIC AND GATHER INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC. MOST TIMES WHEN YOU HAVE A FACILITATOR OR MODERATOR, THEY DO A BRIEF 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION. THEY BREAK THE GROUPS UP INTO FOUR AND FIVE DEPENDING ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE THERE. TABLES POSE THEM WITH QUESTIONS. GIVE THEM 20 MINUTES TO DISCUSS THOSE QUESTIONS, AND THEN ELECT REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH TABLE TO GIVE LIKE THAT TABLE'S RESPONSES. AND WHAT IS THE BEST THING ABOUT EAST STEWART? WHAT IS THE WORST THING ABOUT EAST STEWART? WHAT WOULD YOU ALWAYS KEEP THE SAME. WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE? YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE FUTURE LOOK LIKE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I THINK IF WE RAN IT OUT OF REGULAR MEETING, THEN IF IT WAS LIKE A REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING, JUST MAYBE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, IF PEOPLE WENT BEYOND THREE MINUTES, THEY'D BE ALLOWED TO. YEAH. AND IT'S JUST NOT A HARD CUT OFF. THAT'D BE MY ONLY SUGGESTION. YEAH. SO THEY CAN BE HEARD. WELL, AND BY THE WAY, I'M HAPPY TO GO THE FACILITATOR OR MODERATOR AND YOU CAN LIKE I SAID, YOU GUYS CAN DEVIATE FROM THE CHARRETTE FORM. AND IF YOU JUST WANT AN UNINVOLVED THIRD PARTY TO RUN THE MEETING INSTEAD OF THE MAYOR, THAT'S YOUR CALL. WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS, DOES THE CITY NEED TO ADVERTISE THIS AS A SECOND READING? IS THE COMMISSION ANTICIPATING VOTING OTHERWISE? THIS ORDINANCE AT THE END OF THE MEETING, BECAUSE THAT DEFINES THE STYLE OF THE MODERATOR AND FACILITATOR. I PLAN ON TAKING ACTION THAT NIGHT. OR IS IT COMING BACK? UNLESS I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S MY QUESTION. MY PERSPECTIVE THAT NIGHT WAS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF WHAT WE WERE DOING.

THEY JUST WANTED TO GET MORE INFORMATION AND HAVE IT PRESENTED TO EVERYBODY. BUT IF WE GO TO THAT MEETING AND IT'S NOT THAT CLEARLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO WRITE, WE COULD TABLE IT, WE COULD FIGURE OUT, HEY, WE NEED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND OFNT WORKSHOP OR WHATEVER.

COMMISSIONER, I'M SORRY, ARE YOU DONE? COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONER JOB. OKAY, SO MAYBE WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF HYBRID, BUT IT WOULD BE A MEETING SO THAT WE COULD VOTE. BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, TOO, THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS INTERESTED IN HAVING INPUT AND SAY. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN LIMIT THEM TO THREE MINUTES. I THINK THAT'S NOT RIGHT. I MEAN, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF GOING THERE IS THAT THEY'RE IN THEIR COMMUNITY, AT THEIR COMMUNITY CENTER, AND THAT THEY CAN HAVE FREE VOICE TO SAY HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT AND GIVE THEIR INPUT TO US. BUT IF WE WOULD HAVE A HOW WE COULD PRE-DRAFT THE LANGUAGE FOR THE ORDINANCE IF WE WERE ANTICIPATING THEIR INPUT, RIGHT? RIGHT. AGAIN, IF IT'S WILDLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THEN WE COULD TABLE IT OR AMEND IT, RIGHT? SO IT IS SORT OF A HYBRID WHERE WE'RE HAVING A MEETING TECHNICALLY COULD VOTE ON IT IF THAT SEEMS TO BE THE DIRECTION IT'S GOING. BUT I JUST WANT THEM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. THAT'S THE ONE THING THEY'VE SAID WHEN THEY COME HERE. WE WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE INPUT INTO WHAT WHAT IS BEING DONE AND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. AND I WOULD LIKE THEM TO HAVE THAT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. I MEAN,

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ABSOLUTELY. MR. MAYOR, I HAVE MY LIGHT ON, COMMISSIONER CLARK. THANK YOU, MR. BAGGETT. AND MR. MARTELL PULLING THE EAST STEWART OUT OF THE ZIP PROCESS THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FINISHED BY MARCH THE 4TH WHEN WE HAD THIS THREE MONTH, THREE MONTH. WHERE DO WE STAND NOW? AND DO WE EXTEND WHAT IS EXTENDED FOR WHAT PERIOD OF TIME? SINCE WE ARE WE DID NOT MAKE A DECISION ON ON THAT SECTION. ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE ON FEBRUARY 24TH, AND THAT ORDINANCE BECAME EFFECTIVE AND THE ZONING IN PROGRESS EXPIRED ON MARCH 4TH OR FIFTH, I MEAN, DEPENDING ON THE MATH. SO LIKE LIKE THE MAYOR IS SAYING, THERE'S NO RUSH ON THIS. AND IF PEOPLE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE EAST STEWART CODE OR ABOUT ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE, NOW IS THE TIME TO SPEND THE TIME TO LET THEM VOICE AND TALK AND UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAIN. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JOB. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO SAY I THINK WE CAN ACCOMPLISH BOTH. WE CAN CERTAINLY GIVE THE COMMUNITY AN EAST STEWART THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. AND WHILE THERE IS NO RUSH, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO FINALIZE ALL OF THIS AND GO FORWARD. WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT TILL, YOU KNOW, FOUR MEETINGS FROM NOW, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW OR WHATEVER. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PRESENT THEM WITH THE INFORMATION OF WHAT ACTUALLY IS IN PLACE NOW, AND WHAT WOULD THE CHANGE BE.

AND SO THAT'S IMPORTANT IN THAT SENSE, AND CERTAINLY GET IT DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. YES.

THANK YOU. AND WHO DOES THE BOARD WANT TO SELECT AS THE MODERATOR? I'M NOT INTERESTED IN A MODERATOR. WE DON'T HAVE A NORMAL MEETING. RIGHT. YEAH. WE HAVE A WE HAVE A MAYOR. RIGHT.

I'D LIKE TO SEND IT BACK TO THE EAST STUART HISTORICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE I THINK THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT ZONING PEOPLE. THEY'RE DOING, BUT THEY CAN GIVE US AN HISTORICAL SENSE OF WHAT WAS THERE, COMMISSIONER? WELL, WE CAN INVITE THEM TO BE. WE HAD A WHAT WAS ON EAST AVENUE, WHAT WAS ON MLK. THEY'LL BE THERE. WHAT DID THE COMMUNITY LOOK LIKE? YOU HAVE CONSISTENTLY FILIBUSTERED THIS ENTIRE PROCESS, AND YOU CONTINUE TO WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A MEETING AT 10TH STREET AND TALK ABOUT IT WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND YOU WANT TO PUT IT TO SOME OTHER BOARD.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE COMMUNITY DIRECTLY TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING ON. YEAH, I

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SO IT'S THE LANGUAGE OF WHAT IS THE OUTCOME, NOT HOW DO YOU GET TO THE OUTCOME. WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT'S COVERED IN THE CODE. AND PEOPLE THINK IT'S NOT THERE, BUT IT'S THERE. I AGREE, I AGREE, BUT AGAIN I JUST NEED DIRECTION BECAUSE I IF IT'S THE PROGRAMING WHERE WE'RE HAVING THE FOLKS FROM EAST STUART WALK THROUGH AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS MY HOUSE, I WANT TO PUT A SHED IN THE BACKYARD AND WE'RE GOING TO INDIVIDUALLY WALK THEM THROUGH THE CODE.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROCESS AND A DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEM. MY IDEA OF THE AGENDA ITEMS WERE THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE ESSENTIALLY TWO. THE FIRST ONE WAS GOING TO BE A PRESENTATION OF THE HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT HERE IN THIS ZONING IN PROGRESS, AND WHAT THE CODES WERE BEFORE, WITH ULTIMATELY LEADING TO WHAT THE CURRENT PROPOSED LANGUAGE IS. AND THE SECOND AGENDA ITEM WAS GOING TO BE A MAP SHOWING WHAT THE CURRENT THREE USES ARE. THERE'S BUSINESS MIXED USE GROW, WHICH IS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OFFICE AND SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX OR SFD. AND IT'S GOING TO SHOW WHERE IN THE EAST STUART THOSE DIFFERENT MAP OVERLAYS ARE. AND THEN THE COMMISSION WOULD AND

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WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE ARE WE ARE NOT IN AGREEMENT AND THERE ARE OPTIONS HERE. AND I THINK THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE AND HOW THEY AFFECT THE COMMUNITY ONCE THEY'RE DECIDED OR IF THEY'RE LEFT ALONE. SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I IT PUTS STAFF IN A PRECARIOUS SITUATION TO TELL THEM THAT THERE ARE OPTIONS HERE, BECAUSE THAT PUTS THEM IN A POSITION THAT THEY'RE RENDERING OPINIONS. AND I DON'T WANT STAFF TO SAY THERE'S OPTIONS HERE FOR YOU TO HAVE THIS STREET BE MIXED USE, AND HERE'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

OR YOU CAN HAVE THIS STREET BE SINGLE FAMILY. AND HERE'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT, SOMEONE'S GOING TO PERCEIVE BIAS ON THAT, I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE SAY STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO DRAFT THIS LANGUAGE, HERE'S THIS LANGUAGE, THIS IS WHAT THIS LANGUAGE MEANS, AND THAT'S IT. AND IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO PRESENT ALTERNATIVES TO THAT LANGUAGE, I'M FINE WITH IT.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT STAFF HAS THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. AFTER BEING DIRECTED BY THE BOARD TO DRAFT THAT LANGUAGE, I USED THE WRONG VERBIAGE. AND I'M SORRY. WHAT I'M REALLY TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THEY SHOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THEY HAVE NOW, AND WHAT WOULD BE IF THE CHANGES WERE MADE. SO THAT IS SHOWING TWO VIEWS OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. YEAH, JUST JUST TO SAY I, I THINK LAST TIME AT OUR MEETING AS IT WENT ON THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THE COMMUNITY WAS INCREASINGLY ABLE TO PERCEIVE AS THERE WAS EDUCATION, YOU KNOW, AS TO WHAT THESE MEAN, WHAT'S GOING ON? I, I THINK IF WE DO SOMETHING SIMILAR AT THAT 10TH STREET MEETING WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT GROW MEANS, HOW HIGH THAT CAN BE, WHERE IS GROW THESE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DUMBED DOWN, DUMBED DOWN. I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERY MUCH WAS ABLE TO FIGURE OUT AS THAT MEETING WENT LAST TIME, WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS OF IT ARE. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT MEETING AND BEING ABLE TO ASK JODI, OKAY, WHAT DOES GROW RIGHT? IS IT THIS, IS IT THAT AND THEN WITH EACH OF US WE HAVE OUR PARTICULAR OPINIONS ON WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, AND WHO MIGHT BE WHO MIGHT BE THE WINNERS, WHO MIGHT BE THE LOSERS. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN GIVE US FEEDBACK THEN ON WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, MR. CLARK. YES, THANKS. I JUST I HAVE A SUGGESTION AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT ANYBODY CAN DO. MR. MARTEL, DO YOU THINK THAT STAFF HAS THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT AS MANY AS POSSIBLE COMMENTS? IF PEOPLE WANT TO WRITE THEIR COMMENTS OR ASK QUESTIONS SO THAT THEY CAN BE READY AND MAYBE HAVE ANSWERS FOR THEM, IF PEOPLE, INSTEAD OF WAITING TO COME TO THAT MEETING ON THE 20TH, IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING, ASK US SO THAT WE CAN RESEARCH IT AND WE CAN HAVE INFORMATION FOR THEM AT THAT MEETING READY TO GO. SO IF DON'T WAIT TO COME OUT THERE AND BASICALLY BEEF ON SOMETHING, BRING IT, SEND A LETTER IN EMAIL, GO TALK TO JODI. DO WHATEVER NEEDS TO HAPPEN. THE MORE INFORMATION WE KNOW WHAT THE CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE HAVE, WE CAN COLLECT DATA AND OPINIONS FROM THEM. BUT IF SOMEBODY IN EAST STUART SAID, HERE'S MY EMAIL, TELL ME THE PROCESS FOR ME TO ADD AN ADU IN MY BACKYARD. STAFF IS NOT GOING TO HAVE THE TIME TO GO GET A SURVEY OF THEIR BACKYARD, PUT AN APPLICATION TOGETHER AND TELL THEM EXACTLY WHAT IS NECESSARY AND WHETHER THAT ADU WOULD BE APPROVED OR NOT. THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING IS FOR US TO HAVE THAT JUST FOR THE ZONING CODE, BUT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MEETING. AND MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT THAT STARTS TO RESTRICT PUBLIC COMMENT AND PEOPLE FEEL LIKE

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AND IF WE CAN'T AFFORD THEM TO THE COMMISSION SO THAT THE COMMISSION IS AT LEAST AWARE OF THEM, PEOPLE TEND TO SAVE THEM UP AND THEY DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE I'M SORRY, I, I JUST I JUST OKAY. I HAVE A COUPLE CONCERNS HERE. ONE IS I'D REALLY LIKE TO WAIT TILL THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS OVER BECAUSE THERE IS THERE ARE TWO PARTICULAR PIECES OF LEGISLATION COMING THROUGH THAT WILL DRAMATICALLY IMPACT THIS COMMUNITY. AND ONE IS JUST ON PROPERTY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY.

YOU CAN BUILD A HOME AND AN ADU. WE CAN'T PUT ANY RESTRICTION ON IT, AND THE OWNER DOES NOT HAVE TO LIVE IN EITHER RESIDENCE, AND NOTHING GUARANTEES GENTRIFICATION FASTER THAN ONLY SINGLE FAMILY. THAT REALLY WORRIES ME. IF THAT, AND IT'S ALREADY PASSED OUT OF COMMITTEE, IT HAS COMPANION BILL AND I, WE WOULD REALLY HAVE TO BE RETHINK HOW WE DEALT WITH THAT PART OF TOWN IF THAT LEGISLATION PASSES. THE OTHER ONE IS WHAT'S I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE CALLING IT THE UPDATED 102 LIVE LOCAL ACT, WHICH I THINK THAT'S NINE HOUSE BILL. 943. COULD YOU SUMMARIZE THAT FOR US? IT'S LONG, BUT IT DOES INCLUDE REGULATION. THAT SAID THAT THE DENSITY IS GOING TO BE BASED UPON THE HIGHEST DENSITY IN THE CITY OR COUNTY FROM JULY 1ST, 2023 TO THE PRESENT. NOW, IT HAS NOT PASSED YET. AND FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE EAST STUART, THAT THAT CLAUSE OR WHATEVER, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT APPLIES TO SINGLE FAMILY. I THINK THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE EXEMPT, BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE ADDING. PUDS. SO IF SOMEONE CAME FORWARD AND HAD A MIXED USE PUD ON US, ONE THAT PUD HAS BEEN EXEMPTED FROM THE PREVIOUS LIVE LOCAL ACTS BECAUSE IT WASN'T COMMERCIAL, MIXED USE OR INDUSTRIAL. AND NOW THE NEW LIVE LOCAL ACT IS GOING TO INCLUDE ALL PUDS OTHER THAN PUDS THAT WERE EXCLUSIVELY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND THERE'S OTHER LANGUAGE I CAN FORWARD IT TO YOU TOMORROW AFTER I PULL THE BULLET AND GET THE DETAILS. BUT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THOSE WILL EVEN GET ADOPTED AT THIS POINT. WELL, THEY'RE FAIRLY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THE ADR ONE. I MEAN, I THINK I THINK SOMETHING'S GOING TO GET ADOPTED NO MATTER WHAT. I JUST CAN'T SPECULATE ON WHAT. SO PEOPLE JUST COME AND SWEEP IN AND BUY BUILD A HOME AND, AND AIRBNB. SO THAT'S A I THINK WILL BECOME A LEGITIMATE CONCERN FOR RESIDENTS OF EAST STUART. BUT DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I THINK WE NEED A MOTION. YOU GUYS DID IN FACT, PASS A MOTION TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING WITH A MODERATOR, A FACILITATOR. SO I'D BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION. IT WASN'T IT WASN'T A MOTION. SO THEN I DON'T THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DIRECTION. THE I MY HEARING IS JUST SO I'M CLEAR. PLEASE RECAP STANDARD NOTICE OF HEARING. NOTICING SECOND READING OF THE TEXT. AMENDMENTS INCLUDING THE AGENDA. ALSO A MAP DISCUSSION. OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT THIS TO BE AN OPEN FORUM FOR PEOPLE TO COME FORWARD AND EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS. BUT ALSO WE, THE COMMISSION WILL BE HAVING AN ACTION ITEM, WHICH IS THE ADOPTION OF THE SECOND READING OF THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE ORDINANCE, UNLESS IT'S TABLED. THANK YOU. AND I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT. BUT MY OTHER CONCERN IS HAVING AN OPEN ENDED PUBLIC COMMENT. I KNOW WE ALL TRY TO HAVE MORE FREEWHEELING MEETINGS.

WHEN I WAS AT 10TH STREET RECENTLY. YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU CAN'T RESTRICT PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL JUST GET UP THERE AND THEY WILL HANG ON TO THAT MICROPHONE FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME, AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE QUITE ANGRY. AND IF YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I WOULD I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE KEEP THE STANDARD PUBLIC COMMENT TIME OF THREE MINUTES. BUT IF YOU GUYS WANT TO, WHEN THEY GET TO THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENT, DON'T LIMIT IT TO JUST ONE PUBLIC COMMENT. IF ONCE EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM HAS BEEN HEARD, YOU WANT TO CIRCLE BACK THROUGH AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO GET BACK UP AND CONTINUE SPEAKING, THEN THEY CAN COME BACK UP AND DO ANOTHER THREE MINUTES. I THINK WHAT REALLY HAPPENS IS A LOT OF TIMES

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IF YOU DO IT THE OTHER WAY, SOMEONE MIGHT END UP WAITING THREE HOURS TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK, AND THEY END UP LEAVING BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE PINCHED OUT OF THE FEELING OF IT.

WHEREAS IF YOU DO THE THREE MINUTES AND FLOW THROUGH, EVERYONE WILL GET HEARD. AND THEN IF THERE'S TIME AT THE END OF IT, THEY CAN OKAY, WE MISSED ISSUES OR YOU HAVE SOMETHING MORE TO SAY, PLEASE COME UP AND CONTINUE. BUT THAT AGAIN, YOU GUYS CAN PLAY THAT ON THE FLY AND DO IT AS YOU AS YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME FORM TO THE MEETING. OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, YOU LOSE CONTROL VERY QUICKLY, AS EVIDENCED QUITE RECENTLY. MR. MAYOR, THE OTHER I SEE, COMMISSIONER, THE OTHER THING IS. AND THIS IS WHY IT'S JUST DOESN'T WORK AS A REGULAR MEETING. IF SOMEONE COMES TO THE LECTERN, A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AND ASKS A VERY SENSIBLE QUESTION, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT. AND WE ALL KNOW THE DANGERS OF ALLOWING THE MEETINGS TO BE LED ASTRAY BY ALLOWING A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO, TO, TO DIVERT. SO THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE TOO, MR. MARTEL. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THAT. REALLY. HOW CAN IT BE A DIVERSION WHEN WE'RE GOING TO THE COMMUNITY TO SEEK FEEDBACK? WELL, THAT'S JUST WHY YOU HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING WITH A MODERATOR, OR YOU HAVE LIMIT TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN WE REEL IT BACK, RIGHT. AND IT'S THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR DIRECTION AS TO WHAT YOU GUYS WANT. I THINK I THINK I MEAN, THANK YOU. WE AT LEAST NEED TO HAVE THAT CONSTRAINT. AND CAN WE AGREE TO THAT. WHAT DO WE WANT TO WHAT WHAT WHAT WAS THE QUESTION. NO.

HE'S SAYING THAT WE STICK TO THE THREE MINUTES, BUT THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SPEAK MORE THAN ONCE.

I AGREE WITH THAT. OKAY. YEAH. BUT YOU IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK A SECOND TIME, YOU'RE WAITING TILL EVERYONE HAS SPOKEN AT LEAST ONCE. OKAY. CAN WE GET MORE? YES OR NOS? BESIDES, COMMISSIONER REED, I'M NOT SEEING IT FROM THE SPEAK. OKAY, COMMISSIONER JOB OKAY, I DISAGREE. THREE MINUTES IS NOT ENOUGH. MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT FIVE. LET'S KIND OF COMPROMISE AND MAKE IT FOUR MINUTES WHERE PEOPLE AT LEAST HAVE AN EXTRA MINUTE TO MAKE THEIR POINT. THEY KNOW THEY HAVE FOUR MINUTES. AND THEN YES, WE COULD CERTAINLY. BUT WHILE WE CANNOT ANSWER THEM INDIVIDUALLY, THERE WILL PROBABLY BE THE SAME TYPE OF QUESTION WHICH WE COULD THEN ANSWER IN KIND OF A GROUP FORMAT. LIKE THESE ARE THE LAST FIVE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP. THEY'RE ALL SIMILAR AND WE COULD ADDRESS THEM. I'M FINE WITH FOUR MINUTES. I MEAN, YOU COULD ANSWER THEM. YOU COULD AGREE TO ANSWER THEM IF YOU WANT. THAT'S YOUR DISCRETION AS WELL. IT JUST THE ONLY REASON, THE REASON WE DON'T NORMALLY IS JUST BECAUSE OF THE DELAY IT TAKES. BUT IF THE INTENTION IS TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, WE CAN ANSWER THEM. OKAY. LEE WAS LOOKING FOR SOME MORE CONSENSUS. YEAH, I GUESS MIKE HAS A SUMMARY. IT'S USUALLY UP TO ME TO GO BACK AND LISTEN AND ASK ME, WHAT DO YOU THINK LEE WAS AGREED TO? AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF DIFFICULT. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU JUST GO DOWN THE LINE. YES. NO. MIKE HAD GIVEN AN OUTLINE OF WHAT HE SUMMED UP. I, I'M ALL FOR MIKE'S OUTLINE. THE ONLY UPDATE WOULD BE LETTING THE PUBLIC SPEAK FOR FOUR MINUTES, LET THEM FINISH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. AND YEAH, I THINK COMMISSIONER REED WAS OUT SO HE MIGHT NOT HAVE HEARD.

YEAH, HE DIDN'T HEAR THAT THEY WERE. SO MIKE, CAN YOU RECAP THE YOUR SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU INTEND ON DOING? UNLIMITED FILIBUSTERING. NO. THE MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT IS THERE'S GOING TO BE ESSENTIALLY TWO AGENDA ITEMS. THE FIRST BEING THE HISTORY OF THE EAST STUART CODE AND WHAT THE CURRENT CODE IS. YEAH. STAFF PRESENTATION, CURRENT CODE AND WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE. THEN THE SECOND AGENDA ITEM WOULD BE A DISCUSSION OF THE EAST STUART MAP AND WHAT THE MAP ACTUALLY MEANS. SO THEN WE GO THROUGH AND SAY THIS AREA IS ORANGE. THAT STANDS FOR GO GROW. THIS AREA IS GREEN. THAT'S SFD. SFD IS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS GOING TO BE 6000FT■!S. THE YU KNOW PERMEABLE SPACE THE HEIGHT, THE RESTRICTIONS ETC. AND GO THROUGH THE THREE DIFFERENT LAND USES OF THE MAP. AND WE'LL DO A BRIEF DISCUSSION ON HOW TO CHANGE THE MAP AND HOW THE PROCESS WOULD WORK AS IT RELATES TO EACH AGENDA ITEM. AT THE END OF EACH AGENDA ITEM, BEFORE ANY VOTING WAS DONE, WE WOULD CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS GOING TO BE FOUR MINUTES LONG, AND THEN PEOPLE CAN SPEAK MORE THAN ONCE. IF THEY FEEL THAT THE ISSUES HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED, THEY'RE WELCOME TO GET UP AT THE END AND

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HE'S JUST GETTING CONSENSUS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. ALL IN FAVOR? YEAH. YOU CAN JUST DO IT.

OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY, WE GOT ONE GOOD ENOUGH. YEAH. OKAY. REAL VOTE. IT'S JUST. OKAY. THAT WAS JUST COMMENTS BY CITY MANAGER. WE'RE 2.5 HOURS IN. BY THE WAY.

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[APPROVAL OF AGENDA ]

[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (Non-Agenda Related) (3 Minutes Max.) ]

I THINK I'M GOING TO USE IT MORE THAN ONCE. IT SAYS, HUSH, I THINK I'M GOING TO HOLD IT UP FROM THE BACK. NO PROBLEM. A LITTLE MORE OFTEN. SO YEAH. AND BUT IT'S NOT IN THE GOLD INK. SO FOR THAT I APOLOGIZE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. FREDERICK JAMES. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MR. JAMES. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS FREDERICK JAMES, 901 SOUTHEAST PARK AVENUE, STUART, FLORIDA. WITHDRAW AND CANCEL ALL THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CITY OF STUARTS DEVELOPMENT CODE. ALL OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE DISCRIMINATORY TO THE RESIDENTS AND TO THOSE HOMEOWNERS IN EAST STUART. THEY ARE INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, THE PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS, AS RATIFIED BY THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION.

THE PROPOSED CHANGES WILL CREATE FORMIDABLE FINANCIAL HARDSHIPS AND HURDLES FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF EAST STUART, WHO WISH TO IMPROVE OR REDEVELOP THEIR PROPERTIES. THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE A BLATANT EXPLOITATION OF THE LONG STANDING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN EAST STUART. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MEETING AT THE 10TH STREET, YOU ALL WILL BE PREPARED TO MAKE YOUR VOTE. THIS IS THE VOICE OF THE CITIZENS OF EAST STUDENTS EAST STUART. AND IF YOU'RE NOT READY TO DISSOLVE AND NOT GO ANY FURTHER, THAT'S THE ONLY VOTE THAT WE WANT TO HEAR. I WILL PERSONALLY GUARANTEE YOU THAT NOBODY WILL LEAVE THE MEETING IF THEY'RE THERE FOR FOUR HOURS.

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[CONSENT CALENDAR ]

WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON. ALL RIGHT. WELL, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENT, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT? NO. SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL. VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES, MAYOR. RICH. YES, COMMISSIONER. JOB. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. YES, COMMISSIONER. REED. YES. YES, MISS. MR. MAYOR, MAY I SAY SOMETHING? TIME. SINCE WE APPROVED THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS IS BEFORE. BEFORE WE GO ON. BEFORE WE GO ON WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSION ACTION. I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE WE'RE RUNNING OVER THE CONSENT CALENDAR, BUT WE'RE NOT. IT IS SO IMPORTANT THE KIND OF WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS, THE WORK THAT ROSS JOHNSON DOES WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS, WITH OTHER PEOPLE, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WORK. AND I JUST WANT TO COMMEND HER FOR THE WORK THAT SHE DOES. AND ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS WHEN WE HAVE TO MAKE AGREEMENTS WITH ANYBODY, IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING TO DO WITH POLICE AND FIRE OR CHANGING ANYTHING IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT. AND IT'S JUST IT'S JUST A GOOD THING TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE FIREFIGHTERS WHO ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH US, AND WE HAVE THE STAFF. WE CAN WORK WITH THEM WHEN WE HAVE ANYTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH ANY NEGOTIATIONS OR ANY AGREEMENTS. THANK YOU. GOING FORWARD, COMMISSIONER CLARK, IF YOU WISH TO COMMENT ON AN ITEM, I WISH YOU'D PULL IT. YEAH. NO, I JUST WANTED TO JUST I JUST WANTED TO CONGRATULATE MISS JOHNSON AND THE REST OF THE STAFF FOR. I MEAN, SOMETIMES COMMISSIONERS PULL ITEMS SIMPLY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND TO MAKE NOTE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT OR ACHIEVEMENT. THANK YOU. MR.

[12. BA #9, DONATION FROM TREASURE COAST RUNNING CLUB (RC): RESOLUTION No. 35-2025; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING BUDGET AMENDMENT NO. 9 TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 OPERATING BUDGET; ACCEPTING A DONATION FROM THE TREASURE COAST RUNNING CLUB FOR MAINTENANCE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE RUSSELL HOLLOWAY JR. TRACK AT GUY DAVIS PARK; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

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YEAH, I THOUGHT SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE TRACK WAS GOING TO BE DONE. ESPECIALLY THAT SIXTH LANE AND REVERSING THE WAY THAT THE RUN IN, I THINK THEY SAID THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH I THAT WAS NOT IN THE SCOPE OF THE PARK REDEVELOPMENT. HOWEVER, WE ARE STILL ASPIRING TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. OKAY. LET'S WORK. HOW MUCH MORE IS THE SURFACE? IT HAS A LITTLE MORE YIELD. HAVING RUN ON THAT TRACK. IT IT'S TOUGH AND RUN AND RUN ON THOSE OTHER TRACKS. IT'S SUCH A DIFFERENCE. YEAH, IT'S THERE'S A LOT INVOLVED IN THAT DECISION. IT IS. IT CAN BE ACTUALLY FASTER THAN A SOFTER SURFACE BECAUSE YOU GET THE REBOUND FROM THE TRACK. SO WHILE WORLD RECORDS ARE BEING SET ON ON HIGH TECH SURFACES, YOU DO GET SOME BOUNCE OFF OF THAT. BUT AT THE SPEEDS THAT LOCAL ATHLETES ARE RUNNING AT, THAT MAY NOT BE AS MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU. YES. WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS ITEM, I SAID, OH, WHAT IS THE TREASURE COAST RUNNING CLUB WANT? EVERYBODY, WE'RE ALL MONEY. ALWAYS SEEMS TO GO OUT.

AND THEN ON A DOUBLE TAKE DONATION, THEY WANTED TO GIVE US A BIG CHECK. AND SO THIS, THIS IS THE KIND OF SPIRIT THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT BUILT CITIES YOU KNOW, IS WHEN PATRONS AND PEOPLE WHO HAD A VESTED INTEREST IN A CHURCH OR, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT TOGETHER AND THEY INVESTED.

AND SO I LOVE TO SEE THIS INSTEAD OF OFTEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT? WHAT CAN THE TAXPAYER GIVE ME. SO THANK YOU FOR EMBODYING THE WAY THAT I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD. THERE'S MORE THAT CAN BE DONE AND WE HOPE TO DO MORE. WE ALSO ARE LOOKING FOR SPONSORS TO SUPPORT ACTIVITIES AT THE TRACK. THE COUNTY DOES A ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ANNUAL MEET THAT THE COUNTY PAYS FOR, BUT THE COUNTY DOES NOT DO MIDDLE SCHOOL. I DON'T KNOW WHY. SO THAT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THE

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I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH. MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE LONGEVITY OF THAT OTHER RUNNING FIELD VERSUS WHAT WHAT IS BEING DONE. HOW LONG WILL IT LAST VERSUS THE ONE THAT'S BEING PUT DOWN. NOW IT'S THE SAME ONE. SO IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT SURFACE. LET ME JUST THE LONGEVITY OF IT OF AN UPGRADED SURFACE. YEAH. WHAT WAS. YEAH. HOW LONG DOES IT LAST VERSUS WHAT IS THE ONE THAT'S THERE NOW HAS LASTED ALMOST 20 YEARS. OH OKAY. WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE IT A FEW MORE YEARS UNTIL WE CAN GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN FUND A RECODING OF THE TRACK, BUT IT WOULD TAKE WE DID APPLY FOR $100,000 IMPACT 100 GRANT. WE DID NOT GET TO THE FINAL ROUND ON THAT. BUT OUR INTENTION IS TO TRY TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT SORT OF EFFORT. BUT IT MAY TAKE US A FEW YEARS TO DO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND WAS THAT TO THE STATE OR FEDERAL GRANT? THAT'S ACTUALLY MARTIN COUNTY. OH, MARTIN COUNTY GRANT 100. MARTIN. OKAY. YEAH. OH, IMPACT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. SIR, WE NEED A MOTION. THANK YOU SIR. OH NO MOTION. WE'RE GOING TO GET IN MOTION AND START MAINTAINING THE TRACK. I DON'T NEED A MOTION WITH REGARD TO RESOLUTION NUMBER 35 2025. I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THIS $4,000 CHECK AND THAT WE ARE HAPPY WITH PUTTING THIS TOWARDS THE BUDGET AMENDMENT TO NUMBER NINE OF THE BUDGET, WHATEVER THE RESOLUTION SAYS, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. I SECOND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOB. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. SEEING NONE OTHER QUESTIONS OR ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSION, NOT ROLL CALL, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER.

CLARK. YES, COMMISSIONER. GIOVI. YES. VICE MAYOR. COLLINS. YES. COMMISSIONER. REED. YES, MAYOR.

[13. OLD CITY OF STUART LANDFILL 3RD DUE DILIGENCE EXTENSION REQUEST RESOLUTION No. 37-2025: A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, EXTENDING THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD AT THE OLD CITY OF STUART LANDFILL FROM MARCH 31, 2025 TO SEPTEMBER 30, 2025; AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO DISCUSS AND NEGOTIATE WITH ASHLEY CAPITAL. LLC FOR THE PURCHASE OF SOME OR ALL OF THE OLD CITY OF STUART LANDFILL, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

ON THIS SITE TONIGHT. I'M NOT ASKING THE BOARD TO VOTE ON A SPECIFIC AGREEMENT, BUT RATHER I'M ASKING THE BOARD TO AUTHORIZE ME OR STAFF TO BEGIN NEGOTIATIONS WITH WITH. I WAS GOING TO SAY PALM BEACH CAPITAL, BUT WITH WITH THE APPLICANT SO THAT THEY. CAN PUT TOGETHER A PACKAGE AND PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL AND HAVE THE CITY SPEND THE TIME NECESSARY FOR US TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AS WELL, AND BRING IT BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION AT A FUTURE HEARING THAT KIND OF WALKS THROUGH THE ENTIRE LAYOUT AND THE ENTIRE PLAN AND THE WHOLE THING, RATHER THAN SPENDING THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY AND TIME NECESSARY TO DO IT TO PUT THE WHOLE PRESENTATION TOGETHER, I WANTED TO GET THE AUTHORIZATION FROM YOU FIRST, SO THAT WE CAN SPEND THE TIME NECESSARY TO REALLY EVALUATE IT AND REALLY DECIDE WHAT THE CITY NEEDS AND HAVE. PETER COONAN, ETCETERA. JILL ROSCOE IS HERE ON BEHALF OF ASHLEY CAPITAL, SO I'M SURE SHE HAS A FEW THINGS TO SAY AS WELL. COME ON UP. GOOD EVENING, GOOD EVENING, GOOD EVENING. FIRST, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT WE'VE BEEN CONDUCTING ON THE PROJECT SINCE OCTOBER OF 2023. I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO INTRODUCE OUR TEAM THAT'S HERE TODAY. OUR PRINCIPAL AND FOUNDER, RICK MORTON OF ASHLEY CAPITAL IS HERE. RYAN BLOSS IS OUR DIRECTOR OF LEASING FOR THE TREASURE

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RICK MORTON AND A PARTNER ARE THE SAME TWO FOUNDERS OF THAT COMPANY AS THEY STAND TODAY.

IT'S A PRIVATELY HELD COMPANY. IT'S BEEN PRIVATELY HELD SINCE ITS INCEPTION, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE ARE NO HEDGE FUNDS OR EQUITY PARTNERS. WE'RE NOT A REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT TRUST. I CALL IT A SMALL BUSINESS WITH A BIG FOOTPRINT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOARD THERE, TWO OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS WE ACQUIRE UNDERPERFORMING ASSETS, EITHER GREENFIELD OR BROWNFIELD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREENFIELD IS WHAT ITS NAME MEANS. IT'S PROJECTS OR LAND THAT IS GREEN.

IT'S EITHER AN ANTIQUATED SUBDIVISION OR HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED, MAY NEED SOME NEW ENTITLEMENTS. AND THEN BROWNFIELD ARE WHAT THEY ARE. THEY'RE CONTAMINATED SITES THAT ARE EITHER CONTAMINATED AND WE GO AND WE SEEK THE BROWNFIELD DESIGNATION OR THOSE THAT ALREADY HAVE A BROWNFIELD DESIGNATION, SUCH AS AS THE OLD CITY OF STEWART LANDFILL. OUR REAL ESTATE PORTFOLIO ACROSS SIX STATES IS 32 MILLION PLUS SQUARE FEET AND 65 BUILDINGS. AND WE ARE NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED YEAR OVER YEAR AS A TOP 20 AS AN OWNER, A DEVELOPER AND A PROPERTY MANAGER. SO I THINK WHAT SEPARATES US A LITTLE BIT IS THAT WE START FROM THE GROUND UP AND WE OWN OUR PROPERTIES AND WE DEVELOP THEM, DEVELOP THEM, AND WE MANAGE THEM LONG TERM. I GOT IT JUST A QUICK SLIDE ON THE LANDFILL. FOR THOSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE LANDFILL, IT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE THE 50S. YOU CAN SEE THERE IT WAS OWNED AND OPERATED BY MARTIN COUNTY IN 1962, IT RELINQUISHED IT TO THE CITY OF STEWART. IN 1980, THE LANDFILL SEIZED UP OPERATIONS AND IN 87 IT CLOSED TO ANY DUMPING ACTIVITIES. THE CITY HAS BEEN USING THAT LANDFILL AS A YARD DEBRIS TRANSFER STATION, AND THAT IS ITS CURRENT USE. TODAY, THE LANDFILL SITS, IT'S 50 ACRES AND IT SITS RIGHT OFF OF MONTEREY ROAD EXTENSION. FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR, IT'S A GREAT LOCATION IN THE HEART OF THE CITY. IT'S A MILE FROM EAST STEWART ON A BIKE RIDE FOR FUTURE JOBS THAT CAN BE THERE, AND IT ALSO SITS IN THE CENTER OF A DUAL BUS ROUTE FOR THE MARTY AROUND MARTIN COUNTY. AND SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO INTRODUCE MY COLLEAGUE MARK QUIMBY TO COME UP HERE AND JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MARK AS WELL. MARK LEADS CURRENTLY IN DETROIT, A BROWNFIELD PROJECT THAT IS 300 ACRES IN FLINT, MICHIGAN. AND SO HIS EXPERIENCE IS EXCEPTIONAL, AND WE'RE PROUD TO HAVE HIM AT ASHLEY CAPITAL. AND HE WILL WALK THROUGH THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT WE HAVE BEEN UNDERGOING SINCE WE STARTED THIS PROCESS BACK IN 2023. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, JILL, AND THANK YOU, COMMISSION FOR GIVING US SOME TIME TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE.

THESE ARE THE SAME SLIDES THAT WE PRESENTED IN SEPTEMBER WHEN WE GOT THE WHEN YOU GAVE US THE PREVIOUS EXTENSION. SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL HERE. IT'S MOSTLY FOR THOSE AT HOME OR ANYONE ELSE WHO WASN'T FAMILIAR. BUT BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE LETTER OF INTENT WAS IN OCTOBER, WE GOT AN EXTENSION AND CONTINUED OUR DUE DILIGENCE. WHERE DO I GOT TO PUSH THIS BUTTON? I GOT IT OVER THERE. OKAY, THERE WE GO. AND THEN THE MAIN THING IS, IS THAT OUR PREVIOUS DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD WAS GOING TO END IN SEPTEMBER. OBVIOUSLY IT TAKES TIME TO GET WORK SCHEDULED. WE TRIED TO COORDINATE WITH DEP. WE DID A LOT OF THE WORK OVER THE SUMMER.

WE REQUESTED THIS EXTENSION. THAT BRINGS US TO THE TO MARCH SPECIFICALLY TO KIND OF COMPLETE OUR ANALYSIS OF THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED IN THE SUMMER. AND SO HERE WE ARE NOW AND THERE WE GO.

WHAT I WANTED TO UPDATE THE COUNCIL ON IS OR THE COMMISSION RATHER IS THE WHAT HAVE WE BEEN DOING RIGHT. LIKE SINCE THAT EXTENSION. AND THERE WERE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, ESPECIALLY FROM THE COMMISSION, PARTICULARLY ABOUT THINGS THEY WANTED US TO INVESTIGATE AND THINK ABOUT. AND SO WE DID THAT. SO MAINLY WE CONTINUED AND FINISHED OUR ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS. WE PUBLISHED A PHASE TWO REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE CITY.

WE ALSO DID GEOTECHNICAL AND GEOTECHNICAL ANALYSIS. WE DID SOME COST ESTIMATING. WE

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THEY WANTED US TO REVIEW THE CURRENT USE OF THE SITE BY THE CITY OF STUART FOR STAGING HURRICANE DEBRIS, AND THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT LIKE HOW MUCH COST BENEFIT THAT IS TO THE CITY, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE LANDFILL WAS REDEVELOPED, HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT AFFECT THE CITY BUDGET? SO WE LOOKED AT THAT AND HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY. WE ALSO I WANT TO BRIEFLY JUST TOUCH ON WHEN WE GET TO IT ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF NEGATIVE EQUITY AND LAND IN THE LANDFILL REDEVELOPMENT, AND WHAT THE BROWNFIELD CONDITIONS, SUCH AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND GEOTECHNICAL CONDITIONS, LIKE WHAT DO THEY DO TO MAKE TO INHIBIT A SUCCESSFUL REDEVELOPMENT? AND THEN WE WERE ALSO ASKED, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE HURRICANE DEBRIS AND SOME OTHER ITEMS, ABOUT EVALUATING THE POSSIBILITY OF PURCHASING ONLY A PORTION OF THE LANDFILL, WITH THE CITY RETAINING THE REST. SO WE'LL BRIEFLY DISCUSS THAT TOO. OKAY, SO I THINK THIS DIAGRAM WAS SHARED AT THE PREVIOUS SEPTEMBER MEETING. WHAT THIS IS JUST SHOWING YOU ALL THE DIFFERENT TESTS THAT WE DID ON THE PROPERTY. AND I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE HERE IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO SUBSTANTIAL INVESTIGATION OF THE LANDFILL SINCE ABOUT 1992. THERE WAS SOME INVESTIGATIONS THAT WAS DONE AT THAT TIME. IT WAS VERY LIMITED. THEY DID LIKE MAYBE FIVE TEST PITS, A FEW LIMITED BORINGS. AND SO THERE WASN'T REALLY ALL THAT MUCH INFORMATION AVAILABLE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE PROFILE OF THE LANDFILL IS. AND SO WE DID A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL INVESTIGATION THAT INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL BORINGS, SEVERAL TEST PITS. WE ALSO SPECIFICALLY TRIED TO LOOK AT THE DATA THAT WAS COLLECTED IN THE EARLY 90S AND KIND OF TRUTH THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE MORE DENSITY AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I AM HAPPY TO GET INTO A LOT OF DETAIL, BUT UNDERSTANDING THE FORMAT, I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT PRETTY HIGH LEVEL. I CAN GET DEEPER IF ANYONE WANTS TO GET INTO IT. SO THE MAIN ENVIRONMENTAL FINDINGS. SO THE LANDFILL THICKNESS RANGE FROM 2 TO 20FT BELOW GRADE.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME TOPOGRAPHICAL CHANGE. SO THAT KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE. WE DID CONFIRM ELEVATED METHANE LEVELS WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF THE LANDFILL ITSELF.

AND ALSO AT THE NORTHWEST BOUNDARY WE FOUND VARIOUS CONSTITUENTS IN THE LANDFILL ABOVE, YOU KNOW, DEP, FLORIDA DEP CRITERIA. ALL OF THAT IS EXPECTED, BUT IT'S STILL THERE WAS VERY LITTLE DATA AVAILABLE. SO NOW WE HAVE A BETTER BASELINE OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY THERE. AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE AS EVERYBODY KNOWS OR I MAYBE I SHOULD MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION. AS MANY ARE AWARE, THERE IS A REGIONAL PFAS PFOA PLUME FROM MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SOURCES IN THE VICINITY OF THE LANDFILL. AND SO WE ALSO COLLECTED SAMPLES THERE, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DEP WANTED TO KNOW IS HOW SIGNIFICANT OF A SOURCE IS THE LANDFILL ITSELF AS A SOURCE OF POTENTIAL PFAS, PFOA. AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS THE DATA WE FOUND WAS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THE REGIONAL PLUME. AND ACTUALLY THE HIGHEST SOURCE IS THE FIRE STATION, WHICH WAS SORT OF IT'S SORT OF KNOWN, BUT IT'S BECAUSE OF THE FIREFIGHTING FOAM AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THEY HAD THERE. AND SO WITH RESPECT TO METHANE, WHAT I'LL SHOW IS THIS IS JUST KIND OF LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO A LOT OF IT. THE BLOB THAT'S IN RED IS JUST SHOWING WHERE WE HAD, YOU KNOW, METHANE LEVELS THAT WERE ABOVE THE SCREENING LEVEL WITHIN THE LANDFILL ITSELF. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT I POINT OUT IS ON THE NORTHWEST BOUNDARY, WE DID FIND ELEVATED METHANE LEVELS RIGHT AT THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY. THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE FURTHER INVESTIGATED. BUT WE'VE ONLY DID THE WORK THAT WE DID IN THE SUMMER AND WE HAVE NOT DONE ADDITIONAL WORK. AND I'LL TOUCH ON THIS MORE TOWARDS THE END OF THIS. BUT REGARDLESS OF WE CONTINUE, OR IF YOU KNOW THIS PROJECT DOES NOT CONTINUE, THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY TO CHASE THAT OUT AND DETERMINE ITS FULL EXTENT IN CONSEQUENCE, THIS IS JUST SHOWING. THIS IS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A COLOR MAP. THE UNITS ARE NOT REALLY IMPORTANT. WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THE LANDFILL SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE. THIS IS THE SHALLOW AQUIFER, WHICH MEANS IT'S THE GROUNDWATER THAT'S CLOSEST CLOSER TO THE SURFACE. AND THEN THERE'S A DEEPER AQUIFER IN THAT IS THE IN THE SECOND ONE TO THE RIGHT IS SHOWING THAT. AND WHAT YOU CAN SEE IN BOTH THESE CASES, THE HIGHEST LEVELS BY FAR IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF THE LANDFILL ARE COMING FROM THE POLICE OR THE FIRE STATION, WHICH WAS BASICALLY KNOWN, BUT IS JUST SORT OF CONFIRMED THAT THERE'S NOT A SECOND LARGE SOURCE COMING FROM THE LANDFILL. SO GEOTECHNICAL AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THAT HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURAL CAPACITY OF THE SOIL, WHICH IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO KNOW IF ANYONE WANTS TO BUILD ON THE LANDFILL. RIGHT. AND SO WHAT WE FOUND IS A LOT OF THIS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE INFORMATION FOUND IN THE EARLY 90S, BUT OBVIOUSLY MORE DETAIL.

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SO THE MEETING WITH THE DEP THAT WE HAD WAS IN JANUARY, THE CITY STAFF WAS AT THAT MEETING. AND THE COUPLE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THE LANDFILL IS NOT CLOSED AND THE CAP IS NOT VERIFIED. AND SO THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE VOC. IT STANDS FOR VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS. THEY THERE WAS A RELEASE THAT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, INVESTIGATING. AND THAT PARTICULAR RELEASE IS CLOSE TO BEING CLOSED. AND THAT HAS BEEN ALL THE CITY MONITORING THAT THEY'VE DONE TO DATE HAS MOSTLY BEEN FOCUSED ON THAT ONE ISSUE.

THEY HAD A REMEDIATION SYSTEM AT THE LANDFILL FOR SOME TIME TO ADDRESS THIS. THAT HAS SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH RESPECT TO THAT ONE TYPE OF CONTAMINATION, AND THAT IS FAIRLY CLOSE TO CLOSING. THE CITY DID HAVE A MEETING WITH DEP IN AUGUST SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT, AND DEP LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY HAVE STILL SOME MORE WORK TO DO RATHER THAN JUST DOING ONGOING MONITORING. THERE'S STILL SOME MORE WORK, BUT THAT'S STILL PRETTY CLOSE TO BEING DONE. DEP REVIEWED THE RESULTS OF OUR PHASE TWO ASSESSMENT AND DID SAY THAT THEY WANTED ADDITIONAL SAMPLING DONE THE NEXT ROUND ARE WE HAVEN'T HAVE THEM LIKE REVIEW THAT SCOPE. BUT OUR INTERPRETATION OF THAT DISCUSSION IS WE BELIEVE THE NEXT ROUND WOULD REQUIRE PROBABLY ANOTHER $125,000 OF ASSESSMENT WORK TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS. AND MOST OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SO LITTLE INVESTIGATION OF THE LANDFILL. THEY'RE ASKING SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT, LIKE THE VERTICAL PROFILE OF THE LANDFILL, HOW THE CONTAMINATION WITHIN THE LANDFILL CHANGES VERTICALLY, AND WHAT IS IT AT THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES. SO WE GOT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, BUT THEY WANTED A MORE GRANULAR UNDERSTANDING OF THAT TO COMPLY WITH THE LANDFILL CLOSURE REGULATIONS. BUT THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE WITH THE IDEA OF A REDEVELOPMENT, AND THEY WERE RECEPTIVE TO THE IDEA OF A NON-RECORDED INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL FOR GROUNDWATER. THAT'S WHAT GW STANDS FOR. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE LANDFILL IS IT'S SITTING IN THIS REGIONAL PFAS PLUME THAT EVERYONE'S SORT

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THE CITY DOES NOT DISPOSE OF THAT DEBRIS AT A LICENSED LANDFILL. BUT THERE IS THERE WAS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION BECAUSE THEY DO TRACK THE HYPOTHETICAL COST OF THAT AS COMPARISON TO MULCHING. AND SO IN SOME KIND OF PRESENTATIONS, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE SPENDING A BUNCH OF MONEY TO DISPOSE OF ALL THIS MATERIAL, BUT THEY'RE REALLY NOT. THEY'RE JUST LIKE HOLDING THAT AS SOMETHING LIKE, HEY, IF WE DID IT, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD COST. AND I HAVE I CAN SHOW A LITTLE BIT OF NUMBERS THERE. AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CAME INTO A LITTLE BIT OF A WRENCH AS WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY WAS WE WERE ALSO INFORMED THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS LOOKING AT RELOCATING SOME OF THEIR SANITARY FUNCTIONS, BECAUSE I GUESS THEY STORE THEIR SANITARY TRUCKS NEAR THE INTAKE OF THE POTABLE WATER SYSTEM. AND IT'S A NONCONFORMING USE, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IT SOMEPLACE, AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WANT TO MOVE IT. SO THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT MAYBE THIS LANDFILL MAKES SENSE TO MOVE IT OVER HERE. WE DON'T HAVE A FOOTPRINT. THEY'VE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LAND THEY WOULD NEED.

SO THAT KIND OF MAKES IT HARD TO REALLY FIGURE THAT OUT. BUT THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE REASON FOR THIS EXTENSION REQUEST IS THAT THERE'S STILL SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT AS WE NEGOTIATE WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION TO REALLY BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, 15 DAYS OR SO WHEN THIS PERIOD ENDS. SO THIS IS JUST SHOWING SOME INFORMATION THAT WE GOT FROM THE CITY. SO FOR INSTANCE, IN THIS IS IN 2023, WHICH IS THE MOST RECENT INFORMATION THEY PROVIDED TO US, THEY COLLECTED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 20,000YD■!T OF, OF, YOU KNOW, HURRICANE DEBRIS YARD STUFF. THEY AND THE GRINDING AND DISPOSAL COSTS THEY PROVIDED TO US. THIS WAS FROM A RECYCLE LAND AND CLEARING UNDER A CITY APPROVED CONTRACT. AND THEN THE TIPPING FEE IS THAT THING I HAVE IN RED, WHICH IS JUST POINTING OUT THAT IS NOT A COST INCURRED BY THE CITY. THAT'S JUST A COST THAT THEY TRACK. IF THEY WERE GOING TO DISPOSE IT OF A LANDFILL, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, WELL, THERE'S VALUE TO STAGING THE MATERIAL AT THE LANDFILL TO LET IT DRY OUT. AND THAT'S WE AGREE WITH YOU.

THAT'S STILL TRUE, BUT IT'S NOT AS MUCH OF A COST AS WAS INITIALLY DISCUSSED. IT MORE HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, AS THAT STUFF SITS, YOU KNOW, IT LOSES SOME WATER. IT IT PROBABLY GETS A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT LESS. BUT REALLY, I THINK IT'S THE CITY IS REALLY GETTING THE BENEFIT MORE FROM THE STAGING PERSPECTIVE FROM THE SIX MONTHS, BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE SOMEWHERE TO PUT ALL THAT DEBRIS, LET IT ACCUMULATE. SO YOU'RE NOT DOING MULTIPLE, YOU KNOW, SMALL TRIPS BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE SUPER INEFFICIENT. SO JUST REMINDING EVERYBODY WHAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT WAS, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT 420,000FT■!S OF FLEXIBLE CLASS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SPACE. THERE'S NO AVAILABLE COMPARABLE PRODUCT IN THE CITY, BUT THERE IS STRONG DEMAND FOR IT. AND THIS IS GOING TO GET INTO SOME OF THE THEMES WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FOR THIS PROJECT TO MAKE SENSE, RIGHT. LIKE WE'VE BEEN TRANSPARENT THE ENTIRE TIME. IS THAT WHAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO IS YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO BUILD ON THIS IN A WAY THAT FINANCIALLY YOU CAN HAVE MARKET RENTS, RIGHT? SO PEOPLE WILL, YOU KNOW,

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NOW, WHEN A PROPERTY IS, FOR INSTANCE, MAYBE IT'S WORTH LIKE IN A IN A MARKET SUCH THAT THE PROPERTY IS WORTH A LOT. YOU CAN USUALLY SOMETIMES YOU CAN GET THE, THE VALUE LIKE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR OUT OF THE PROPERTY. SO MAYBE THE PROPERTY IS WORTH $20 MILLION. AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S CONTAMINATED AND STUFF, EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THEY SELL IT FOR $5 MILLION. AND THEN YOU USE THE GAP, THE 15 MILLION TO COVER THE PROBLEM. UNFORTUNATELY, IN SITES LIKE THIS, LIKE YOU JUST CAN'T GENERATE ENOUGH ECONOMIC ACTIVITY SO THAT IF YOU EVEN GAVE THE PROPERTY AWAY, YOU STILL END UP WITH A NEGATIVE VALUE. SO THAT CREATES AN IMPEDIMENT TO REDEVELOPING IT. AND SO THERE'S INCENTIVES, RIGHT, LIKE THAT AFFECT THESE KINDS OF THINGS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A LAND POLICY ISSUE. AND THAT GETS DOWN TO OKAY, WELL WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE NOW FLORIDA STATE DOES HAVE A INCENTIVE BROWNFIELD PROGRAM THAT'S BUILT AROUND TAX CREDITS. IT'S FAIRLY SMALL AND DOESN'T REALLY GENERATE A LOT OF MONEY.

SO A PROJECT OF THIS SCALE RUNS INTO SOME PROBLEMS. SO WHAT I WANT SO BRIEFLY SO LANDFILL CLOSURE PATH. SO OUR DEVELOPMENT IF IT PROCEEDED WE WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS THE LANDFILL CLOSURE. IF WE DO NOT PROCEED THE CITY WILL NEED TO ADDRESS THAT CLOSURE. IF THE CITY WANTS TO BUILD ON THE SITE BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT OR SOME OTHER THINGS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE EXACT SAME PROBLEMS WHERE IF THEY TRY TO PUT A STRUCTURE ON HERE AND THEY DON'T WANT THE THING TO, YOU KNOW, TO CRACK BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO SETTLE A DIFFERENTIALLY, THEY WILL ALSO HAVE TO DEAL WITH GROUND IMPROVEMENT TECHNOLOGY OF SOME SORT. WE FEEL THAT THE END IS THE ONLY VIABLE PATH FOR GROUNDWATER ISSUES. AND REALLY THAT KIND OF AGAIN, GOES INTO MORE OF THE REGIONAL PROBLEM. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DEP DID REQUEST, AS PART OF THE ADDITIONAL CHARACTERIZATION THAT I MENTION EVEN THOUGH, FOR INSTANCE, YOU MIGHT HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME GROUNDWATER QUALITY ISSUES COMING FROM THE LANDFILL, MAYBE IT'S LIKE METALS IN THE WATER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEY MIGHT BE FAIRLY. LOCALIZED AND LIMITED TO THE LANDFILL AND OR EVEN EXTEND PAST THE LANDFILL BOUNDARY, BUT NOT BY MUCH AND DEFINITELY NOT AS MUCH AS THE KNOWN REGIONAL PFAS PROBLEM. BUT DEP WON'T CLOSE THOSE ISSUES UNLESS THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.

RIGHT? SO YOU MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM THAT IS FIVE MILES, BUT IF YOUR OTHER CONTAMINANTS ARE ONLY ONE MILE, THAT'S FINE. YOU CAN STILL SOLVE IT WITH THE SAME SOLUTION, BUT THEY MAKE YOU GO AND TEST AND PROVE THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY REALITY SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE, BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE A SITUATION WHERE YOU MAYBE ONE OF THE CONTAMINANTS GOES FURTHER THAN THE OTHER, AND THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT. SO THE NEXT STEP IS DEFINITELY ADDITIONAL CHARACTERIZATION. AND THE SITE WILL NEED TO BE CAPPED IN THE IN THE OFF SITE METHANE CONCERN THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER IS GOING TO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. SO THIS IS WHERE WE GET TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE PARTIAL PURCHASE. SO THE CITY PLANS FOR THE FUTURE PUBLIC WORKS IS CURRENTLY UNDEFINED IN SIZE AND SCOPE, BUT BASED ON WHAT THEY TOLD US THEY WERE LOOKING AT, SOMEWHAT LIKE THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE SITE, THERE ARE OTHER VIABLE OPTIONS FOR STAGING THE LAND OR THE HURRICANE DEBRIS, WHICH WE AGREE IS A CITY ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND KIND OF FIGURED OUT WHAT WE WOULD SUBMIT TO THE CITY IS THAT THAT ISSUE IS MORE RELATED TO IF YOU WERE TO FIND ANOTHER SITE THAT YOU WOULD TAKE THE LANDFILL OR THE HURRICANE DEBRIS, MAYBE IT'S NOT IN THE CITY. THE INCREMENTAL COST WOULD REALLY JUST BE THE INCREMENTAL TRUCKING, BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE DEBRIS AND YOU STILL HAVE TO HANDLE IT KIND OF IN A SIMILAR MANNER. WE'RE NOT SAYING THIS IS THE SOLUTION, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE OBVIOUSLY THOUGHT ABOUT WAS THE IDEA THAT WE OWN SUNRISE GROVE, THAT JUST WEST OF I-95 IN MARTIN COUNTY, IT'S ABOUT 11 MILES, 20 MINUTES FROM THE SITE. WE COULD PROBABLY WORK SOMETHING OUT, LIKE IN TERMS OF SOME LIKE LEASED LAND OR SOMETHING AS A SWAP AS PART OF A PURCHASE AGREEMENT. BUT THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED HARD AT THIS AND WE TRIED TO FIGURE THIS OUT. AND THE REALITY FOR US IS THE SCALE

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SO DEP WANTS ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENT DONE TO PURSUE CLOSURE. AND COMMISSIONER COLLINS BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME AND WE APPRECIATE AND HE WAS VERY RESPECTFUL ABOUT THIS THAT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST DO THAT FOR FREE FOR YOU GUYS AT THIS POINT. RIGHT. LIKE THAT'S NOT REALLY FAIR TO US OR WELL, MAYBE IT'S FAIR TO YOU, BUT IT'S NOT FAIR TO US. SO, YOU KNOW, OUR VIEW IS, IS LIKE IF THERE IS AN OPTION TO, TO COMING BACK WITH A, WITH A REAL AGREEMENT. RIGHT, WHICH WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T NEGOTIATE IN 15 DAYS WHEN THIS EXTENSION EXPIRES, IF THAT'S A REAL THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEGOTIATE, AND IT MIGHT STILL COME BACK AS A NO. LIKE MAYBE WE COME BACK IN 2 OR 3 MONTHS AND WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, HERE'S THE HERE'S THE DEAL THAT'S BEEN NEGOTIATED. YOU LIKE IT OR YOU DON'T. THIS WORKS FOR US. IT DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU.

WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT BECAUSE LIKE, AT THIS POINT, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF OUR WORK. WE'RE STILL DOING SOME ADDITIONAL KIND OF TOP UP OF OUR COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THAT COST GAP THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. BUT IF THE CITY IS JUST LIKE, NO WAY, NO HOW, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO. WE LIKE OUR LANDFILL DEBRIS OR THE, SORRY, THE HURRICANE DEBRIS WHERE IT IS. WE'RE NOT INTERESTED. THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, VOTE US DOWN BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, WHICH GETS TO HERE. SO WHAT ARE WE ASKING FOR? RIGHT. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR A REQUEST EXTENSION THROUGH SEPTEMBER. WE'RE ONLY INTERESTED IN PROCEEDING IF THE CITY IS WILLING TO ENTERTAIN SELLING US THE ENTIRE SITE. WE NEED TO FINALIZE OUR COST EVALUATION, DETERMINE WHICH STATE, LOCAL AND COUNTY INCENTIVE PROGRAMS ARE VIABLE. THE EXISTING BROWNFIELD PROGRAM DOESN'T IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO DEAL WITH THE COST GAP, AND WE'LL NEED THE CITY SUPPORT IN PURSUING OTHER INCENTIVES, WHICH COULD INCLUDE LOCAL COULD INCLUDE STATE. THERE ARE SOME FEDERAL INCENTIVES, TOO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

ULTIMATELY, AGAIN, OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO COME BACK WITH SOME KIND OF LIKE PACKAGE THAT SAY, WE WON'T KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS, BUT WE'LL SAY, OKAY, LIKE, THESE ARE THE TERMS OF WHICH WE WERE WILLING TO BUY THE PROPERTY AND THEN TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND YOU GUYS TO SAY YES OR NO TO IF YOU SAY NO NOW, THEN WE'RE DONE FOR NOW, RIGHT? IF YOU SAY YES, THEN WE WILL WRAP OUR PROCESS UP, WHICH WE THINK IS PROBABLY ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, COUPLE MONTHS AND THEN WE WOULD EXPECT TO COME BACK AND PROBABLY LIKE 3 TO 4 MONTHS LONG BEFORE THE EXTENSION THROUGH SEPTEMBER, PROBABLY IN THE SUMMER, AND SAY, OKAY, GUYS, LIKE HERE'S THE DEAL THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED WITH YOUR CITY STAFF AND THIS IS WHAT WE THINK WOULD MAKE SENSE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY HAVE ALL THE INCENTIVES IN PLACE THAT WOULD MAKE THE DEAL WORK, BUT WE EITHER THINK IT'S VIABLE AND WE MIGHT COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, FOUR MONTHS LIKE WE EVALUATED ALL THE POTENTIAL INCENTIVES. THE GAP IS TOO BIG. YOU KNOW, LIKE, BEST OF LUCK.

HERE'S ALL THE INFORMATION WE COLLECTED. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. AND THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. VICE MAYOR. YEAH I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. SORRY. GO AHEAD. ABSOLUTELY. SURE. SO MR. MORTON JUST ASKED ME TO JUST MENTION, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO PAY. SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE NEGOTIATED AS PART OF THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT, BUT WE'RE WILLING. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THE PREVIOUS PARTY WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME THE PROPERTY FOR FREE. WE WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY FOR THE PROPERTY, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT HAS TO WORK WITH ALL THE OTHER STUFF. THE MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, IT'S ASSESSED ABOUT A 1.3 MILLION. WE THINK THAT WE WOULD BE FINE PAYING THAT. WE THINK THAT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE EVEN IF YOU WERE TO, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR THE HURRICANE DEBRIS, YOU KNOW, WE DID SOME INITIAL ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE INCREMENTAL TRUCKING WOULD BE TAKING IT TO SAY, SUNRISE, WHICH IS 20 MINUTES DOWN THE ROAD. IT WAS ABOUT $30,000 A YEAR, WHICH IS WHAT WE ESTIMATED WHAT THE COST WOULD BE. WE WERE LOOKING TO PAY, YOU KNOW, 1.3 MILLION. LIKE, I MEAN, THE MATH IS KIND OF OBVIOUS THAT WE THINK THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT MADE SENSE. BUT THERE'S THAT. AND I'M SORRY, RICK. THE OTHER THING. OH, SO RICK WANTED ME TO MENTION WHAT I THINK THE CLOSURE COSTS OF THE CITY WOULD BE IF WE JUST STOP WORKING. RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE A FIRM ANSWER, BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT

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COULD BE LESS PROBABLY NOT A LOT MORE. BUT THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, WHERE I THINK I'M AT. AND OUR COST GAP ANALYSIS, WHICH AGAIN IS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE FUZZY BUT IT'S PLUS OR -10 MILLION RIGHT NOW, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE CLOSURE COST OF THE LANDFILL. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? YEAH. WELL MORE COMMENTS. COMMENTS. YEAH. SO I APPRECIATE YOU BEING CANDID WITH HOW YOU PRESENTED THAT. AND LIKE, HEY, IF THIS IS A NO, SAY, SAVE US THE TIME. FOR ME, THAT LAND DOES SAVE US MONEY. THAT'S REAL MONEY RIGHT NOW THAT IT'S CONTINUING TO SAVE US. I WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE WITH A FULL SELL OF THAT PROPERTY. PERSONALLY, I, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS AND THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS, BUT I WOULD NOT WANT TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, DRAGGING YOU OUT IN THIS PROCESS. I ECHOED THAT LAST TIME, YOU KNOW, AS I DIDN'T WANT THERE TO BE THE SENSE THAT THIS COMMITMENT IS THERE, THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW WE'RE ON THE HOOK FOR HAVING TO DO THIS. YEAH, YEAH. IF I COULD, WHAT I DID. YEAH. NO. JUST FOR. YEAH. NO, I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO BE. ONE THING I'D SAY IS THAT, I MEAN, IT FEELS A LITTLE. SO IF I COULD I'M GOING TO GO BACK A COUPLE SLIDES. SO BACK TO THIS SLIDE. RIGHT. IF THE CITY NEEDED LIKE AN ACRE OR TWO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO LIKE STILL STAGE HURRICANE DEBRIS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT. WE THINK WE COULD MAYBE WORK SOMETHING OUT, BUT WE'D AT LEAST WANT TO CONSIDER OR OFFER ALTERNATIVES THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE INCREMENTAL COST, LIKE, WHAT WOULD THAT ACTUALLY REALLY BE FOR THE CITY? WHAT WE REALLY FELT LIKE WE COULD NOT DO WAS THIS WHOLE PUBLIC WORKS THING, BECAUSE IT WAS PRETTY UNDEFINED, BUT IT WAS CLEAR THAT THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE LIKE A THIRD OF THE PROPERTY WAS OUR BEST GUESS. AND UNDER THAT CONDITION, NO, LIKE THAT JUST DOESN'T WORK AT ALL FOR US. SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, COULD THE LANDFILL DEBRIS THING OR I KEEP SAYING LANDFILL. I'M SORRY, WE'RE ON THE LANDFILL. THE HURRICANE DEBRIS THING COULD IT COULD BE WORKED OUT. POSSIBLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT TO YOUR POINT, IF IT'S LIKE, I JUST DON'T CARE. I LIKE WHAT I'M DOING NOW AND I NEVER WANT TO, I DON'T I'M NOT INTERESTED IN CHANGING THAT. THEN I WOULD SAY THEN YEAH, JUST VOTE NO. BECAUSE FOR ME THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. I MEAN, YOU GUYS NOW UNDERSTAND THE QUALITY OF THIS DIRT NOW MORE THAN I DO, YOU KNOW. BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE INCREDIBLY VALUABLE AS TIME GOES ON. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DIRT. EVEN IF IT'S A DUMP, THERE WILL BE WAYS TO REMEDIATE THIS. AND 50 ACRES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY OVER TIME IS GOING TO BE VALUABLE. I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE MONEY RIGHT NOW TO REMEDIATE IT. SO MAYBE IT'S WAITING, MAYBE IT'S CONTINUING TO USE IT THIS WAY. BUT I WOULD HATE TO PART WITH THAT FOR A MILLION BUCKS RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN I CAN USE THAT TO EARN MONEY BY SAVING. IT'S YEAH, TOTALLY RESPECT YOUR PERSPECTIVE. I WOULD JUST ADD AGAIN THAT IF YOU DO MOVE IT TO A LOCATION THAT'S DIFFERENT, IT'S THE INCREMENTAL TRUCKING COST. NOT LIKE YOU'RE NOT SAVING THE HURRICANE STAGING COST REALLY. IT'S JUST THE INCREMENTAL TRUCKING. THANK YOU. COMMENT. SO PHASE ONE WAS ALREADY DONE. CORRECT. YOUR PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL FROM STANTEC. YEAH. DID THEY EVER FINISH PHASE TWO? YES. AND WHEN YOU SAY THE DEP THEY WANTED MORE IT WAS MORE THAN PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. YEAH. SO REALLY BRIEFLY A PHASE ONE IS JUST THAT'S A NATIONAL STANDARD FOR A CURRENT AND HISTORICAL CONDITIONS REVIEW OF A PROPERTY THAT GENERALLY INVOLVES NO SAMPLING. SO IT'S LIKE A DESKTOP REVIEW. A PHASE TWO IS GENERALLY A SUBSURFACE INVESTIGATION THAT FOLLOWS A PHASE ONE. SO YOU GO AND YOU GO AND YOU TEST THE AREAS RIGHT THAT YOU THINK YOU SHOULD TEST BASED ON THE INFORMATION YOU FOUND FROM YOUR PHASE ONE. THAT IS NEVER INTENDED TO BE THE END ALL IN A PROPERTY INVESTIGATION, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR PURPOSE IS, IF YOU JUST WANTED TO HAVE A BROAD UNDERSTANDING, IT'S OFTEN ENOUGH. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW VERY, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT THE BOUNDARIES OF A PARTICULAR CONTAMINANT THAT YOU FOUND IS, THAT'S USUALLY NOT ENOUGH. AND SO WHAT DEP WAS REALLY SAYING IS THANK YOU, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION THAT OUR LANDFILL GUIDANCE IS YOU NEED THIS MANY SAMPLES. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO VERTICALLY PROFILE IT AND THEY WANT MORE. BUT IT'S BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE COLLECTED. SO THAT INFORMATION IS VERY VALUABLE. BUT NOW THAT YOU KNOW THEY'RE LIKE OKAY YOU FOUND THIS HERE, BUT HOW FAR DOES IT GO? YOU FOUND THIS HERE, PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO. AND THEN THAT'S WHEN THEY CAME BACK AND TOLD YOU. YEAH, YEAH, WE SHARED ALL THAT WITH THEM. YEAH. AND WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED THOSE TO THOSE DOCUMENTS TO THE CITY. OKAY. AND I GUESS I WANT TO PUBLICLY THANK AGAIN THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL. SOME OF THAT WORK WAS FUNDED BY A GRANT FROM THEM. THEY SPEND ALL THAT GRANT MONEY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, THEY HAVE A GRANT THAT WHICH THEY SPENT SOME OF IT ON THIS PROJECT. WE SPENT OUR OWN MONEY

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AND I ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I ALSO HAD WAS IF HURRICANE DEBRIS OR ANY KIND OF LEAF PRODUCT WERE TO GO TO THAT SUNSHINE GROVES, IS THAT ON SOME TYPE OF A LONG TERM LEASE, OR IS THAT A NET OUT COST THING THAT YOU WOULD DO OR. YEAH. SO THAT'S PROPERTY THAT WE OWN. AND I GUESS OUR POINT IS, IS LIKE THERE MAY BE OTHER AVAILABLE LAND TO I DON'T KNOW. BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE LAND. AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKELY DO IS WE WOULD INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE NEGOTIATION. SO I WOULD IMAGINE THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF LIKE, LIKE LAND LEASE FOR A PORTION OF LAND ON OUR PROPERTY, AND IT WOULD ALL BE KIND OF LIKE PART OF THE CALCULUS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO BRING BACK TO YOU. SO AGAIN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO WE DON'T WANT THIS TO GO ON FOREVER, RIGHT? LIKE WE'RE WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE, TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN START ENGAGING IN A REAL NEGOTIATION ON THAT WITH THE CITY. IT'S OBVIOUSLY JUST CAN'T BE DONE IN 15 DAYS WHEN THIS EXTENSION EXPIRES. SO I THANK YOU. AND THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD FOR YOU IS THAT, AGAIN, BACK TO BROWNFIELDS AND ACTUALLY DEVELOPING IT. IT'S BEEN SO I MEAN, THIS THING HAS BEEN HERE AND WE KNOW THAT THE COURT, NOT THE COURTHOUSE, THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT WENT THROUGH, WE HAVE THE FIRE STATION, WE HAVE OTHER THINGS AROUND IT. BUT THE BIGGEST PART OF ALL THAT PLUME HAS BEEN THERE, AND WE KNOW THAT THE WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE. I JUST WANTED YOU TO KIND OF BRIEFLY, IF YOU'RE PREPARED TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO IF YOU CAN TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE OR ANY TYPE OF EXPERIENCE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU MENTIONED LANSING, MICHIGAN, AND WE HEAR ABOUT THE WATER ISSUES THERE, HOW REALISTIC IT IS THAT SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED WITH BROWNFIELD REDEVELOPMENT. YEAH, SURE. SO I HAVE ABOUT 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN REDEVELOPING BROWNFIELDS. I SPENT ABOUT 17 OF THAT. WELL, ACTUALLY, NO, I GOT TO REVISE IT MAYBE. YEAH, 1617 OF THAT AS A CONSULTANT SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON THAT ISSUE, REDEVELOPING THINGS LIKE CAR PLANTS, FACTORIES, LANDFILLS. I DID NON CONTAMINATED LAND TOO, BUT THAT'S WHERE I SPENT MOST OF MY TIME. I BRIEFLY WORKED FOR AMAZON IN THEIR CORPORATE DUE DILIGENCE OFFICE, WHERE WE LOOKED AT THEIR WORLDWIDE PROPERTY PORTFOLIO. AND THEN WHEN I WAS A CONSULTANT, ASHLEY CAPITAL WAS MY TOP CLIENT, AND THEY ASKED ME TO LEAVE AMAZON AND JOIN THEM IN-HOUSE. AND I DID THAT THREE YEARS AGO. SO I'VE AND THEN SPECIFICALLY SINCE I'VE BEEN WORKING, I'M CURRENTLY REDEVELOPING TWO LANDFILLS IN MICHIGAN. AND THEN THEY MENTIONED THE FORMER BUICK CITY SITE IN FLINT, MICHIGAN, WHICH IS ABOUT 300 ACRES OF OLD GM FACTORY THAT HAS IT'S BY FAR IT'S ONE OF THE MORE COMPLICATED PROJECTS I'VE EVER WORKED ON. BUT THERE'S MULTIPLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONTAMINANTS. YOUR ISSUE HERE IS I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO SUCCESSFULLY REDEVELOP THE LANDFILL. I THINK FOR ME, THE BIGGEST QUESTION THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A QUESTION MARK IS THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY ISSUE, RIGHT? WHICH WE OBVIOUSLY COME BACK TO THE CITY WITH WHEN WE DISCUSS THAT. AND THAT JUST HAS TO DO WITH EVERY STATE HAS DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AROUND BROWNFIELD REDEVELOPMENT. FLORIDA'S IS NOT INCREDIBLY GENEROUS IN TERMS OF THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED. SO IT'S HARD WHEN YOU HAVE A SITE WITH VERY SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES ON

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WELL, WE SAID, WELL, THE CURRENT ASSESSED VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ASSESSED ROLE, IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 1.3 MILLION. AND WE THINK THAT WE WOULD LIKE OUR VIEW IS, IS LIKE WE COULD SAY, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A HUGE NEGATIVE PROBLEM HERE. RIGHT? SO WE COULD JUST COME IN AND SAY, GIVE US THE PROPERTY FOR FREE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GENERALLY THE WAY WE LIKE TO DO BUSINESS. WE WOULD RATHER HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE HURRICANE DEBRIS THING. THERE'S STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT. RIGHT. AND SO WE WOULD GENERALLY FEEL BETTER ABOUT PAYING MONEY SO THAT WE HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME. AND THEN THAT WAY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT INCENTIVE STRUCTURES IN THE FUTURE, IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO WORK WITH YOU IN A PARTNERSHIP WAY. AND WE JUST FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY COMMUNITIES ARE BETTER. IT'S JUST A BETTER PARTNERSHIP. AND THEN WHAT DID YOU ESTIMATE THE PROPERTY IF THE CITY WERE TO CLEAN IT UP AGAIN? YOU KNOW, DON'T DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS. LIKE MY BEST GUESS BASED ON STUFF WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH DEP AND WHAT I THINK THEY WOULD REQUIRE BASED ON WHAT THEY KNOW NOW, IT'S PLUS IT'S LIKE 3 TO 5 MILLION ISH. AND SOME OF THAT DEPENDS ON THE QUALITY OF THE CAP. SO RIGHT NOW LIKE THE CAP HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN OUT. SO LIKE THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY TESTING OF THE CAP. RIGHT. LIKE THE CITY JUST ASSUMED IT WAS GOOD. AT SOME POINT WHEN SOMEONE DID IT, THEY WOULD REQUIRE TESTING OF THAT. NOW, IF THAT CAP CAME OUT THAT OH SHOOT, THE IT'S NOT AS BAD AS THE LANDFILL, BUT IT DOESN'T MEET REGULATION. THEN THEY'D MAKE YOU REMOVE SOME OF THAT CAP AND REPLACE IT. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN GET MORE EXPENSIVE. IF THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN, IT WOULD BE ON THE LOWER END. OKAY. AND THEN I THINK ON ONE OF THOSE SLIDES, LIKE WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE A SOIL DENSITY. IS THAT WHAT IT WAS THE COMPACTION. YEAH. WAS THAT PART OF THE PHASE ONE OR PHASE TWO OR THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THE GEOTECHNICAL ASSESSMENT THAT WE PAID FOR. AND SO WHAT THAT HAS TO DO WITH THAT'S THE ENGINEERING DISCIPLINE THAT LOOKS AT THE STRUCTURAL SUITABILITY OF SOILS. SO IT'S BASICALLY LIKE THE COMPRESSIVE STRENGTH OF THE SOIL. SO IF YOU THE THING IS, IS LIKE IF YOU PUT A BUILDING ON A PIECE OF LAND TO DETERMINE IF YOU HAD TO PUT IN PILINGS. YEAH. THE TYPE OF FOUNDATION SUPPORT. YEAH. AND THEN IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS THOUGH, YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT PAVEMENT SUPPORT AND UTILITY SUPPORT. BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE DIFFERENTIAL SETTLEMENT WHERE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY GOES LIKE THAT, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE HUGE CRACKS IN YOUR PAVEMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT GOING ON. YEAH, YEAH. IT'S A IT'S A COMPLICATED SITE FOR SURE. FOR SURE. YEAH. THANKS. THIS IS A QUESTION FOR EITHER MR. MARTEL OR MR. BAGGETT BASED ON THEIR TEST RESULTS, DO WE NOW HAVE CONSTRUCTIVE KNOWLEDGE OF THAT POLLUTION SOURCE, WHICH CREATES AN AFFIRMATIVE DUTY ON OUR PART? WE'VE KNOWN IT WAS A DUMP SINCE WE KNOW I KNOW THAT, BUT SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTIVE KNOWLEDGE SIDE OF IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT THE POLLUTED NATURE OF THE FACILITY IS THAT WE KNOW IT'S POLLUTED AND IT'S POLLUTING OUR CITY'S WATER. NO. WELL, I THERE ARE WELLS THAT WERE CONTAMINATED BECAUSE OF THE PLUME BEHIND STATION TWO, BUT WE ARE ACTIVELY ANY WATER THAT COMES OUT OF ANY OF THOSE WELLS GOES THROUGH THE ION EXCHANGE AND REMOVES THE PFOA TO A NON DETECT LEVEL, BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE'RE ACTUALLY TAKING WATER OUT OF THE WELL. AND PETER'S PROBABLY HERE STILL THAT MAY BE ABLE TO TELL US IF WE'RE TAKING WATER OUT OF THE WELL BEHIND STATION TWO. BUT BUT THERE'S THAT. WELL IS DEFINITELY CONTAMINATED. WELL, YEAH. IS IT CLOSED? YEAH. RIGHT.

WHICH THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON REMEDIATING. SO WHEN HE SAYS WILL ALLOW ME TO FINISH MY QUESTION WHEN HE SAYS THAT THE CITY COULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR 3 TO $5 MILLION, THAT IS NOT A LIABILITY THAT TRULY WILL EXIST FOR US IN THE FUTURE. I ACTUALLY WOULD TAKE THAT IN A HEARTBEAT.

RIGHT? I WOULD TOO. I DON'T THINK 3 TO $5 MILLION IS THE RIGHT NUMBER. YEAH. LET ME BE CLEAR THAT THAT IS MY BEST ESTIMATE WITH RESPECT TO THE LANDFILL ITSELF. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SOIL CONTAMINATION IN THE LANDFILL. YOU'RE BASICALLY IGNORING THE GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION BECAUSE IT'S CAUGHT UP IN THE REGIONAL PLUME THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH

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YES. YEAH. SO WE UNDERSTAND AS WELL THAT WHEN IT COMES TO WE APPRECIATE I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND. SEEING NONE THE MOTION FAILS. OKAY. THE MOTION NO. YOU CAN MAKE ANOTHER MOTION. NO I JUST WONDERED IF THERE WAS AN ALTERNATE MOTION. OKAY. THANK

[14. BARON BUSINESS PARK MAJOR SITE PLAN LOCATED AT 2601 SE WILLOUGHBY BLVD (RC): RESOLUTION No. 12-2025: A RESOLUTION TO THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, TO APPROVE A MAJOR SITE PLAN PROPOSED BY STUART AUTOVAULT, LLC, OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 2085-ACRES LOCATED AT 2601 SE WILLOUGHBY BOULEVARD; PERMITTING THE APPROVAL OF A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN CONSISTING OF 135 SINGLE STORY FLEX WAREHOUSE UNITS WITH A TOTAL OF 23,522 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND 211.683 SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSE SPACE FOR THE PROJECT KNOWN AS BARON BUSINESS PARK; PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS; PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. ]

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THE PROPOSED BUILDING ALONG SOUTHEAST WILL WILL BE WILLOUGHBY BOULEVARD. INCLUDES CANVAS AWNINGS, OVERHANGS, RAISED CORNET PARAPETS OVER DOORWAYS, DISPLAY WINDOWS, ORNAMENTAL FEATURES IN THE FORM OF ORNAMENTAL SQUARES AND DECORATIVE LIGHT FIXTURES, AND THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IS FOR THIS PROPERTY IS 45FT. THE PROPOSED TOTAL HEIGHT FOR EACH BUILDING IS GOING TO BE 28FT. THE PERIMETER LANDSCAPE CONSISTS OF 139 LIVE OAKS PLANTED AT 14FT IN HEIGHT, WITH A FIVE FOOT CANOPY WITH A CONTINUOUS COCOPLUM HEDGE. THE INTERIOR LANDSCAPE WILL CONSIST OF A VARIETY OF SILVER BUTTONWOODS, SABAL PALMS, CABBAGE PONDS, RED MAPLES, SLASH PALMS, AND A VARIETY OF UNDERSTORY PLANTS. THE SITE WILL INCLUDE AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM. KIMLEY-HORN HAS REVIEWED THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY PREPARED BY THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, AND ANALYSIS INCLUDE AN ASSESSMENT OF ROADWAY SEGMENTS AND INTERSECTIONS IMPACTED BY THE TRAFFIC BY PROJECT TRAFFIC, SEVERAL INTERSECTIONS DEFICIENCY WERE IDENTIFIED UNDER BACKGROUND CONDITIONS. NO DEFICIENCIES ARE ANTICIPATED AS A RESULT OF THE TRAFFIC OF THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC, AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTHEAST WILLOUGHBY BOULEVARD AND PROJECT DRIVEWAY WILL BE SIGNALIZED, PER MARTIN COUNTY'S PLANS. THESE ARE SOME. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED LETTERS WHERE THEY'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND HAD A PREAPPROVAL MEETING WITH THE DRIVEWAY CUTS, AND ALSO THEY OBTAINED A LETTER FROM THE CITY OF STUART UTILITIES SAYING THERE IS ENOUGH CAPACITY FOR WATER AND SEWER. THIS PETITION CONFORMS TO THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN 11 0.010.02 OF THE CITY OF STUART LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE CITY OF STUART. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STAFF RECOMMENDS THE CITY COMMISSION GRANT APPROVAL FOR THE MAJOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR BARON BUSINESS PARK VIA RESOLUTION. IT SHOULD BE 12 DASH 2025, CONSISTING APPROXIMATELY 20.35 ACRES OF 135 SINGLE STORY FLEX WAREHOUSE UNITS WITH A TOTAL OF 223,522FT■!S OF OFFICE SPACE AND 211,680FT■!S OF WAREHOUSE. AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. AND TO SUMMARIZE THAT THE CITY CODE WAS AMENDED BACK IN THE 90S TO REQUIRE ANY ITEM THAT IS MORE THAN 50 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FEET TO BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR A VOTE.

ESSENTIALLY, WHAT YOU'RE HEARING TONIGHT FROM STAFF AND THE APPLICANT IS THAT THEY BOTH AGREE THAT THIS APPLICATION MEETS THE CODE AND IS ENTITLED TO A PERMIT, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT OUR CODE REQUIRES THAT BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN 50,000FTS TO COME BEFORE YOU, IF IT WASN'T MORE THAN 50,000FT■!S, THE PERMT WOULD BE ISSUED ADMINISTRATIVELY. BUT OUR CODE REQUIRES THE COMMISSION TO VOTE ON IT. AND YOU REALLY? UNLESS THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT IT DOESN'T

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WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE FIRST TIME IT CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, THEY HAD AN ACCESS ROAD ONTO WHAT WAS WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE SHERIFF'S ROAD. AND. RIGHT. AND THE CITY COMMISSION PAUSED IT BECAUSE THE CITY COMMISSION DID NOT KNOW IF IT HAD THE AUTHORITY TO ADDRESS OR ALLOW A CURB CUT ONTO THAT ROAD, OR DENY A CURB CUT UNDER THAT ROAD BECAUSE IT WAS A PUBLIC ROAD. THEY COULDN'T DENY IT EITHER. THE APPLICANT THEN TOOK IT TO COURT FOR A DECLARATORY ACTION AND CAME BACK. IF I REMEMBER, SIX MONTHS OR ALMOST A YEAR LATER WITH A JUDGE'S RULING THAT SAID THAT IT WAS A PUBLIC ROAD AND THAT THEY WERE ENTITLED TO THE CONNECTION TO IT, AND THEN THE COMMISSION APPROVED THE PROJECT. BUT BY THE TIME THEY RETURNED, THE IF YOU RECALL, THEY TURNED THE LIGHT SWITCH OFF ON THE DEVELOPMENT BACK IN 2008, AND BY THEN IT HAD ALL JUST COME TO A COMPLETE STOP. SO THE DEVELOPER NEVER ACTUALLY WAS ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT. AND AS A RESULT, ALL THE TIMETABLES EXPIRED. AND I BELIEVE A BANK ENDED UP WITH IT IN THE FORECLOSURE. AND ULTIMATELY BEAR, BEAR AND PROPERTIES PURCHASED IT FROM THE BANKS. I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW WHO THE SELLER WAS. OKAY, SEE, NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR JODY. CAN WE GET A MOTION? YEAH, I WAS JUST I WAS CURIOUS ON THIS. ANOTHER QUESTION. THE WHOLE RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ON THE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THEY'RE ACCEPTING AND AGREEING TO IT. UNLESS I'M READING IT WRONG. I MEAN, IT'S VERY POSSIBLE. WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE READING. I'LL PAGE YOU ON IT. IT'S WHERE IT WAS SIGNED. OKAY. THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE ORDINANCE IS THEY WERE AGREEING ORIGINALLY. THE ORDINANCE WAS AGREED TO BY THE APPLICANT. AND THEN WHEN THE WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS RESCINDED, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ACCEPTING AND AGREEING THAT THE ORDINANCE WAS RESCINDED. BUT I'M NOT SURE. OKAY. I'M READING IT FURTHER. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE THEN FOR NOW. COMMISSIONER JODY, IF I COULD ASK THAT WE DO DO IT. AS COMMISSIONER CLARK CORRECTLY POINTED OUT, WE HAD THAT LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABSENT A MOTION A SECOND. SO IF WE COULD JUST GET A MOTION AND A SECOND TO. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 12 DASH 2025 IN ITEM NUMBER 14. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. SECOND, A SECOND BY THE VICE MAYOR. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? I HAVE ONE MAYOR. CHRIS BALLARD. LOOKS A LITTLE SURPRISED. IT WASN'T PROPERLY WAS ON. NO. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT THAT YOU IDENTIFY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. CHRISTOPHER BÉLAND, 3820 NORTHEAST KESTREL DRIVE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT TO THINK THAT THIS IS GOOD FOR OUR OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY. THERE'S A MAJOR DEMAND FOR INDUSTRIAL REAL ESTATE. I'M IN THE BUSINESS AND IT WILL HELP JOB GROWTH AND HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE GET JOBS. AND THESE OTHER GUYS BEFORE US DID A GREAT EXPLANATION FOR US, BUT JUST ON A DIFFERENT PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR. SO THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THAT'S THE BRIEFEST PUBLIC COMMENT EVER. YOU WIN THE AWARD. MAYOR RICH, MAY I ANY ADDITIONAL MATTER? I HAVE NO MORE. OKAY. YOU HAVE YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL. QUESTION. COMMISSIONER. READ. THIS WOULD JUST BE STORAGE FOR, LIKE, OWNER OPERATORS. THERE'S NO BUSINESSES LIKE THAT ARE OPERATING IN THOSE STORAGE UNITS. THIS GENTLEMAN RIGHT THERE. SO THE APPLICATION IS FOR IS FOR OWNER OPERATORS.

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AND THE PROCESS FOR THEM ALL CHANGED. IT WAS ALSO BACK THEN YOU COULD ONLY DO TWO COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS PER YEAR, AND SO A COUNTY COULD ONLY APPLY, YOU KNOW, ONCE IN THE SPRING AND ONCE IN THE FALL. AND THEY REMOVED THAT AND ALLOWED IT TO BE PER ITEM OR, YOU KNOW, JUST REGULAR LIKE BY BASED ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS APPLICATION. SO THEY MADE A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE CONCURRENCY AND THE REQUIREMENTS AS IT RELATES TO WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE TRAFFIC AND WHAT IS IMPASSABLE TRAFFIC. NOW, THERE ARE STILL REQUIREMENTS IN COASTAL EVACUATION AREAS, BUT IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED FORMULA. AND I'VE SEEN THE CABINET ALLOW DEVELOPMENTS ON BARRIER ISLANDS, EVEN WHEN THE COASTAL EVACUATION ROUTE ISN'T ENOUGH. THAT'S BECAUSE WHERE THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THE DONORS LIVE. SO DO YOU MIND IF I GO? I HAD MY LIGHT ON.

NO. THAT'S OKAY. I'LL YIELD TO THE VICE MAYOR. MINE WAS. NO, NO, NO, MINE WAS JUST A QUESTION THAT REALLY WASN'T RELATED. MINE IS NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT. MINE IS MORE RELATIVE TO THESE THESE KIND OF PROJECTS COMING IN FRONT OF US THAT SHOULDN'T BE COMING IN FRONT OF US. AGREED.

MY, MY ISSUE IS IF AND NOT THAT I WOULD VOTE NO. BUT IF I CAN'T VOTE NO, WHY? WHY IS IT IN FRONT OF ME? RIGHT? I HAVE TO VOTE YES. SO WE CAN WE CAN ADDRESS THAT TOO, BECAUSE I AGREE THE RECOMMENDATION SHOULD BE THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD BE AWARE OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S A FAIRLY LARGE PROJECT AND YOU'RE GOING TO COME TO A PRESENTATION, RIGHT? THERE SHOULDN'T BE A VOTE. IT SHOULD REQUIRE A PRESENTATION. AND THEN A RECOMMENDATION BY THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR OR STATEMENT THAT IT MEETS CODE AND THEN PROBABLY SAVE THEM MONEY TO

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OKAY. AND REALLY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT. IT REALLY HAD TO DO WITH CAN WE CHANGE THE STATUS TO F IN ALL OF THE STREETS SURROUNDING THE SCHOOLS? AND MAYBE THAT WILL SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T USE CONCURRENCY TO STOP DEVELOPMENT. CONCURRENCY. AND I THINK THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE TONIGHT WOULD HAVE PROBABLY SAID THE STATUS WAS ENOUGH. OKAY. SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS, ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER. JOB. YES. COMMISSIONER. REED. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. YES, MAYOR. RICH. YES. VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES. BIG SURPRISE. THANK YOU.

[15. CODE AMENDMENT TO MERGE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DUTIES TO THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY (RC): ORDINANCE No. 2540-2025; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AMENDING PART Il, CHAPTER 2 (ADMINISTRATION), ARTICLE Ill (BOARDS, COMMITTEES, AND COMMISSIONS), DIVISION 1 AND DIVISION 3 OF THE CITY OF STUART'S CODE OF ORDINANCES; PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF PRIOR ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS; PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. ]

YES, VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. REED. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. YES.

[16. ZONING MAP CHANGES IN THE CITY OF STUART ]

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[17. DISCUSSION ON WHETHER TO ADD BARBERSHOPS, BEAUTY SALONS, AND SPECIALTY SALONS AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE R-3 ZONING DISTRICT, SECTION 2.02.00 OF THE STUART LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ]

WE DO HAVE CHRIS CRANE FROM DEVELOPMENT, ONE OF OUR PLANNERS THAT'S GOING TO DO A PRESENTATION. BUT YOU WOULD ALSO ASK ON ON BRINGING FORTH A DISCUSSION ON WHETHER WE COULD ADD BARBERSHOPS, BEAUTY SALONS AND SPECIALTY SALONS, WHICH IS AN IDENTIFIED USE AND DEFINED IN OUR CODE, AND ADD IT AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE R-3 ZONING DISTRICT, SECTION 2.02.00 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO MR. CRANE HAS GOT A PRESENTATION, AND HE'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. CAN I JUST MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT 16 FIRST? SURE. JUST QUICKLY JUST A DAD. SO I THINK THAT THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO GO OVER TO 10TH STREET, TRY TO GET THAT FEEDBACK FOR WHAT STREETS EVEN DOWN TO POTENTIALLY WHAT PARCEL SHOULD BE, WHAT ZONING, AND THEN COME BACK AND THEN HAVE THAT MAKE ITS WAY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER DAD AFTER THAT, OR IF THAT COULD MAKE ITS WAY THROUGH THE CRB AND LPA BEFORE COMING TO US. YOU AT THE END OF THE 10TH STREET STAFF COULD GIVE DIRECTION TO I MEAN COMMISSION COULD GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO BRING BACK A MAP AMENDMENT REFLECTING WHATEVER IT IS YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE. AND THEN WE WOULD BRING IT TO THE LPA, CRB AND BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR FIRST AND SECOND READING AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE AS IT PROCESSED THROUGH THE BOARDS. SO TO ME, THAT SEEMS LIKE THE LOGICAL PROGRESSION IS TO BRING THAT UP AT THAT MEETING AND THEN HAVE THAT WORK THROUGH AND POTENTIALLY STAY THE SAME. BUT IN MY OPINION, HOPEFULLY CHANGE. THAT WAS ALL. WAS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT? I THINK THAT'S A LOT TO THIS IS A, D AND D, SO GENERALLY THERE IS NOT PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK THAT'S A LOT TO DIGEST FOR ANY COMMUNITY AT ONE TIME. BUT THOSE ZONING MAP CHANGES, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE MUCH MORE RIGOROUS, CONSTRAINED PROCESS. CORRECT, MR. BAGGETT, I MEAN, YEAH, WE IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH, BUT JUST ON THE MAP ITSELF, WE WOULD BE CHANGING ZONING DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE COLOR CODED UNDER. YEAH. DO WE HAVE A DUTY OF NOTICE. YES. OKAY. THERE'S A WE HAVE A NOTICE TO ADOPT FIRST READING OF A MAP CHANGE. WE GOT NOTICE TO DO THE TEXT AMENDMENT. WE HAVEN'T. YEAH WE HAVE TO START OVER THE PROCESS. WE CAN'T JUST ADD ON TO WHAT WE'VE DONE. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. AND MR. CRANE HAS JUST A REMINDER. HE HAS A PRESENTATION ON THIS. OKAY. WITH THE R-3. IS IT ALL RIGHT IF WE LISTEN TO MR. MCCLAIN? OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS CHRIS MCCLAIN. I'M THE PRINCIPAL PLANNER WITH THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. SO I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE R-3 ZONING DESIGNATION, WHICH IS OUR RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY SLASH OFFICE. JUST SO FOR THE COMPATIBLE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS, THE R3 ZONING DISTRICT IS COMPATIBLE WITH MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, OFFICE, RESIDENTIAL, INSTITUTIONAL, RECREATIONAL. DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT. THE EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD, AND CONSERVATION.

AND IN RED BELOW THE TABLE IDENTIFIES THE LAND USES THAT THE R3 ZONING DESIGNATION IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH, WHICH INCLUDES NEIGHBORHOOD, SPECIAL DISTRICT, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, MARINE, AND PUBLIC. SO I KIND OF BROKE DOWN THE R3 ZONING. IT'S SIMILAR TO SOMEWHAT OF A MIXED USE. I MEAN, IT ALLOWS FOR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. IT ALLOWS FOR TWO FAMILY DEVELOPMENT OR DUPLEX UNITS, ALLOWS FOR MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH IS THREE OR MORE UNITS. IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDINGS AND USES, AND ALSO FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITH BUSINESS USES. THIS IS OUR LOT SIZE AND DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS TABLE WHICH IS OUTLINED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. I BELIEVE IT'S 2.0401 AND THIS IS JUST A BREAKDOWN. THERE'S ALSO OTHER RESIDENTIAL ZONING DESIGNATIONS THE R1, R1, AND R2 WHICH AREN'T INCLUDED IN THIS TABLE. I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE HAVE SUPPLEMENTAL BUILDING SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED IN 2.0404. THIS ONE IS SUBSECTION E, WHICH REALLY TALKS ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FROM PROFESSIONAL BUILDINGS. WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE PROPOSING DIFFERENT USES SUCH UNDER THIS TABLE, LIKE IF YOU'RE PROPOSING PROFESSIONAL OFFICE USES WHEN IT'S ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SETBACKS FOR THE BUILDINGS. SO THE COMMERCIAL USE ISN'T BUILT RIGHT ON TOP OF ANY RESIDENTIAL USES. SO THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT'S HIGHER THAN ONE

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THE PARKING CALCULATIONS WERE PULLED FROM OUR CHAPTER SIX STANDARD PARKING CODE. SO THESE ARE ALL THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWABLE WITHIN R3 TODAY. AND THEN NEXT TO HIM IN THE IN THE COLUMN YOU'LL SEE EITHER A P OR A Q. THE P DENOTES A PERMITTED USE AND A Q CAN DENOTES A CONDITIONAL USE REQUIRING ACTION FROM THE CITY COMMISSION. I'M JUST KIND OF GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE A LITTLE SLOW, JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED.

LOOKS LIKE I MADE A MISTAKE IN HOME OCCUPATIONS WITHIN AN ADU IS A PERMITTED USE. ACTUALLY THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE. I'M SORRY, THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS JUST ADOPTED BY THE BOARD TO ALLOW FOR HOME OCCUPATIONS WITHIN AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, SO THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR A CONDITIONAL USE. THESE ARE SOME OF THE INSTITUTIONAL USES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THE R3 ZONING DISTRICT. THESE ARE THE FIVE USES THAT ARE UNDER THE HEALTH CARE SECTION IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND THEN THERE ARE THREE CURRENT PERMITTED COMMERCIAL USES. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT LOW INTENSITY MEDICAL OFFICES DUPLICATED, BUT IT IS DUPLICATED IN OUR CODE AS WELL.

SO BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, LOW INTENSITY MEDICAL OFFICES AND STUDIOS WOULD BE THE COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY CURRENTLY ALLOWED. AND THE BOTTOM TABLE DEPICTS THE BARBERSHOPS, BEAUTY SALONS AND SPECIALTY USES WHICH IS NOT CURRENTLY PERMITTED WITHIN THE R3 ZONING DISTRICTS, AS WELL AS THE PARKING CALCULATIONS BELOW. THESE ARE THE LAST FEW PERMITTED USES. THE RECREATIONAL AND UTILITY SERVICES, AS WELL AS TELECOMMUNICATIONS FOR STEALTH TOWERS. THE ONES THAT ARE NOT EXCEEDING 45FT IN HEIGHT ARE ALLOWED BY YOU OR ALLOWED BY RIGHT, AND THEN ANYTHING OVER 45FT IN HEIGHT REQUIRES THE CONDITIONAL USE. WHAT'S A LOW INTENSITY MEDICAL OFFICE? I ACTUALLY HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR YOU, SO WE CAN GO THROUGH ALL THE DEFINITIONS FOR EACH USE. OKAY. SO THESE ARE THE DEFINITIONS FOR EACH OF THE USES HERE. THIS FIRST SLIDE IS A BREAKDOWN OF THE PROPOSED USES. THE BARBER SHOP BEAUTY SALON AND SPECIALTY SALON. IT DEFINES IT SEPARATELY IN OUR CODE, BUT THEY ARE IDENTIFIED AS THE SAME USE IN THE USE TABLE. SO THIS IS THE LOW INTENSITY MEDICAL OFFICE ON THE BOTTOM.

WHAT STAFF HAS KIND OF FOUND IS THAT A LOT OF THESE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED WITHIN R3 ARE NO MORE INTENSE THAN, SAY, THE NUMBER WAS. IT'S LIMITED TO 300FT■!S. I'M SORRY. DID IT INDICATE THAT IT'S LIMITED TO 300FT■!S? WHERE DO YOU SEE THATN THE WHERE THAT FIRST CAME UP.

THAT'S THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN RED. SO ONE SPACE PER 300FT■S FOR BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AS WELL AS FOR LOW LOW INTENSITY MEDICAL OFFICE AND FOR STUDIO. OKAY. AND THEN FOR BARBER SHOP IT REQUIRES TWO SPACES PER STATION OR PER CHAIR. JUST A QUESTION. ARE THESE PERMITTED USES WITHIN R3. SO RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS ALL THESE USES THAT I'VE SHOWN ON THESE SLIDES HERE, ALL OF THESE USES ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED. THE ONLY USE THAT'S NOT ALLOWED THAT'S ON THESE SLIDES IS THE BARBERSHOPS, BEAUTY SALONS OR SPECIALTY SALONS. BUT THAT NEXT SLIDE HAS BEAUTY SALONS ON IT. THAT NEXT SLIDE, THE ONE WITH ALL THE DEFINITIONS, IS THAT I JUST INCLUDED THE DEFINITIONS FROM OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE JUST FOR. YEAH. FOR CLARIFICATIONS.

SO JUST REAL QUICK, THE BARBERSHOPS, BEAUTY SALONS AND SPECIALTY SALONS ARE PERMITTED IN OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS, JUST NOT R3. SO THAT'S WHY WE DEFINE THEM.

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ANYTHING IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE. THEN WE HAVE SALONS, BARBERSHOPS, SPAS, ET CETERA.

AND THEN DENTAL OFFICES IN THE YELLOW AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES IN THE BLACK MARK. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THIS JUST DEPICTS A HEAT MAP IDENTIFYING THE LOCATIONS OF THESE USES WITHIN THE CITY OF STUART, AND WHERE THEY'RE MORE DENSE OR WHERE THEY'RE MORE SPARSE. YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH SEE THAT ALONG US ONE OR I'M SORRY, ALONG EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD AND WITHIN THE HEART OF THE DOWNTOWN AREAS IS WHERE MOST OF THESE USES CURRENTLY EXIST. BUT WE CAN GO THROUGH SOME OF THE MAPS JUST TO SHOW A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. THE MAP ON THE LEFT HERE STARTS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE, IDENTIFYING SOME OF THE USES. YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY'RE NOT INSIDE THE R3 ZONING DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY ARE ALLOWED IN OTHER ZONING DESIGNATIONS. THE MAP ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS JUST A SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE.

WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THERE'S ONE LITTLE R3 ZONING DESIGNATION, I BELIEVE THAT'S OVER ACROSS FROM SHEPHERD'S PARK, RIGHT ABOVE THE LEGEND. THIS MAP ON THE RIGHT IS JUST ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MONTEREY ROAD, WEST OF FEDERAL HIGHWAY. AND THEN IT ALSO SHOWS SOME AREAS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF DIXIE HIGHWAY, ON THE EAST EAST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. MAP ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS SHOWING FEDERAL HIGHWAY JUST SOUTH OF THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE. THE ROAD ON THE LEFT IS PALM CITY ROAD AND THEN KANNER HIGHWAY TO THE TO THE EAST. THIS IS ON EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD. HERE. THESE ARE WITHIN THE JUST SOUTH OF THE HOSPITAL. AND THEN THE MAP ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS JUST TO THE WEST OF THE BRIDGES GOING OVER TO HUTCHINSON ISLAND. SO THIS WOULD BE THE KINGSWOOD AREA AND FRESH MARKET AND ALL THAT KIND OF. AND THEN THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS JUST NORTH OF INDIAN STREET ON US ONE AS WELL. AND THE MAP ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS AN AREA ON EITHER SIDE OF PALM CITY ROAD. THESE ARE THE RESIDENTIAL, MIXED USE OR MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS. AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER JOB. YES OKAY. SO AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW THE R3 AREA IS LARGE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THE WHOLE AREA. AND I MAY HAVE USED THE WRONG TERMINOLOGY WHEN I FIRST ASKED FOR WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED SPOT CHANGES TO A SPECIFIC ZONING, SPOT ZONING TO A SPECIFIC STREET OR NUMBER OF STREETS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION HERE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD REACH OUT TO YOU ABOUT THAT OR TO THE CITY MANAGER. WHAT WHAT WHAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION? SPOT ZONING. YES. WELL, SPOT ZONING IS ACTUALLY ILLEGAL. YEAH. YOU DON'T WANT SPOT ZONING, SO WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT. YOU CAN DO ZONING AS LONG AS IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT ZONING. AND IT'S INTENDED TO MEET A LONG RANGE PLAN OR THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE THAT. IT'S NOT INTENDED TO ENDURE A SPECIAL BENEFIT TO ONE PARTICULAR INCIDENT, ONE PARTICULAR RESIDENT, OR MEET THE DEFINITION OF SPOT ZONING IF IT. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WANTED TO EXPAND DOWNTOWN AND YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO MOVE THE URBAN CENTER FROM WHERE IT ENDS RIGHT NOW ON WHATEVER STREET IT'S ON, OR GEORGIA ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE HOSPITAL AND INCLUDE THE 4 OR 5 BLOCKS THAT WERE THERE AND CHANGE THOSE BECAUSE, I MEAN, HONESTLY, JUST PERSONALLY, WHEN I LOOK AT OSCEOLA STREET, I THINK THAT THE R3 ZONING ON OSCEOLA STREET IS SOMEWHAT ANTIQUATED. YES. I THINK THAT WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY PLACED

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CHRIS, CAN YOU POINT OUT WITH THE MOUSE, THE URBAN WATERFRONT, I GUESS, AND THEN THE HOSPITAL AND. YEAH, SO THIS LINE RIGHT HERE, THIS PROPERTY IS URBAN WATERFRONT, AND THAT IS THE END OF THE URBAN BOUNDARY. THIS PROPERTY DOWN HERE IS URBAN GENERAL. AND THAT'S ALSO THE END. SO THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, IMAGINARY LINE. IF I WERE TO DRAW HERE DOWN GEORGIA, YOU KNOW, THE MEMORIAL PARK AND THE BALL FIELDS ARE ALSO URBAN GENERAL. BUT TO THE WEST OF GEORGIA IS BASICALLY THE END. I'M SORRY. THE EAST OF GEORGIA IS THE END OF THE URBAN. WHERE IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION? THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS ACTUALLY RIGHT HERE ON THE CORNER OF GEORGIA AND IN OSCEOLA. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT FROM GEORGIA TO ILLINOIS, THERE YOU WOULD EXTEND THE URBAN GENERAL THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE, INCLUDING THE CHURCH TRIANGLE.

LITTLE PARCEL, RIGHT? THERE WOULD BE URBAN GENERAL, AND THEN EVERYTHING ON THE WATER WOULD BE CONTINUATION OF URBAN WATERFRONT TO THE HOSPITAL. AND THEN YOU'RE DONE. THAT'S YOUR YOU'RE GOING DOWNTOWN TO THE HOSPITAL AND YOU HAVE ILLINOIS. THERE'S THE CUT OFF. AND THEN THE PARK MAKES SENSE TO ME. MAKES SENSE. IT SEEMS STRANGE THAT THERE WOULD BE R3 RIGHT THERE IN BETWEEN THE HOSPITAL AND THE URBAN. MY THOUGHTS THAT IN THIS INSTANCE, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A MAP AMENDMENT OF THE CODE. IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE IS UNDER THE R3. I'M ASSUMING THERE'S OFFICE RESIDENTIAL OR OFFICE RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT COULD BE CHANGED TO URBAN CENTER, GENERAL, GENERAL OR URBAN WATERFRONT, BUT IT WOULD BE CHANGED TO DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THAT'S THE FUTURE LAND USE THAT HAS THE URBAN CODES IN THEM. WHAT WOULD BE THE PRIMARY? SORRY. GO AHEAD. WHAT WOULD BE THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE? CHRIS? AND LIKE R3 FROM GEORGIA TO ILLINOIS, THERE ARE THREE VERSUS LIKE URBAN GENERAL. SO THE USES WOULD EXPAND QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY. OKAY. YOU KNOW URBAN URBAN CODE IS A SET OF USES THAT ARE ALLOWED THROUGH ALL ZONING URBAN SUBDISTRICTS.

SO THERE'S, I BELIEVE FIVE SUBDISTRICTS, URBAN WATERFRONT RESTAURANTS, URBAN HIGHWAY, URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, URBAN GENERAL AND URBAN CENTER. SO ALL OF THOSE USES IN CHAPTER THREE UNDER THE URBAN CODE ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE ALLOWED UNDER ALL OF THOSE ZONING DESIGNATIONS. DO YOU HAVE THEM UP? DO YOU HAVE. YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO PULL THAT UP.

YEAH. AND THEN CAN. ARE YOU FINISHED, MR. COLLINS? I'M JUST I'M JUST THINKING IN REAL TIME WHAT'S WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, IS IT MORE APPROPRIATE TO DO A PUD VERSUS OR SOMEBODY BECAUSE IT'S CONTIGUOUS ACROSS THE STREET, RIGHT. YEAH. SOMEBODY COULD COME IN WITH A LAND USE CHANGE AND ZONING AND A PUD AND LET US CONSIDER IT. THAT'S AND IT WOULD MAYBE THE ERA WILL CHANGE LITTLE BY LITTLE. BUT THAT IS CONTIGUOUS. AND IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED JUST LIKE ANYTHING, JUST LIKE THE ONES THAT WE TURNED DOWN FOR URBAN WATERFRONT THE OTHER DAY.

SORRY. THAT'S THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT. WELL, I MEAN, THE OTHER SIDE TO IT IS IF THE CITY, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CITY PLAN, IT WOULD, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO SIT DOWN, LOOK AT THAT AREA THAT COMMISSIONER COLLINS WAS TALKING ABOUT, BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. AND IF, IN FACT, THE

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AND THEY WERE SEEKING A, A FUTURE LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL. AND THE COMMISSION FOUND THAT THERE WAS ALREADY A ROUGHLY 200 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL AND NO COMPELLING REASON IN THIS INSTANCE. AGAIN, I'M NOT PUTTING ANY VOTES OR WORDS IN ANYBODY'S MOUTH. IT'S THE QUESTION WOULD BE AFTER YOU HEARD THE PRESENTATION FROM THE EVALUATION OF THE CRITERIA IN THAT 163.8144 WHATEVER IT IS, THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? WELL, I JUST WONDERED THAT OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR. THERE'S A SIMILAR BUSINESS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. JUST THE CURRENT LAND USES WITHIN THERE WOULD NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE URBAN CODE, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO DO A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT TO THE DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT. SO YEAH. AND WOULD CREATE MORE INTENSITY.

AND I'M THINKING THAT I MEAN, WHY WOULD THE CITY WANT TO INITIATE IT FOR ONE PERSON? IF THAT PERSON WANTS SOMETHING THEN THEY CAN COME IN AND ASK FOR IT. AND IF IT IF THE NEIGHBORHOODS CHANGES LITTLE BY LITTLE, IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR COMPATIBILITY AND COMPARABILITY, THEN YOU KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S CONSIDERED. BUT TO INITIATE IT, TO SAY THAT WE'RE DOING IT FOR THE BENEFIT OF ONE PERSON BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTY FIT. THE SALON SPA THING, THE CITY SHOULD BE INITIATING THAT FOR ONE PROPERTY. SO THE WAY FORWARD FOR THIS? YES, DEFINITELY. JUST COME IN. THAT IS THE CITY COMING WITH AN APPLICATION I RIGHT. I THINK THAT THEY HAVE STARTED THE PROCESS FOR. OH, WE'LL LOOK AT IT WHEN IT GETS TO US. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THIS INDIVIDUAL REGARDING THIS ITEM? YES. WOULD YOU COME TO THE LECTERN, PLEASE, AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF? DO THEY APPLY FOR LAND USE CHANGE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'VE DONE HERE. ALLOWING. EITHER ONE OR BOTH OR BOTH. GOOD EVENING, MICHAEL BENEDETTI SIX.

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MR. MOORE YES, MA'AM. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU REMEMBER THIS, BUT THE HOLCOMB PROPERTY IS ON OSCEOLA. LIKE WHERE MR. NOEL HAS THE THERE'S THE LADY WHO HAD TH. SHE WOULD MAKE REPAIRS FOR CERTAIN GARMENTS AND THEN THE OTHER. RIGHT. THAT WAS THAT WAS STEFAN COTTON'S. YEAH. SO WHEN WE'RE ON SEMINOLE, WHEN WE WERE SEMINOLE, WERE WE ON WHAT ARE WE ON? THIS IS OSCEOLA, BUT WAS IT ON OSCEOLA? YEAH. OKAY. SO WHEN EVEN IN THAT ERA WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO GET SOME THINGS DONE THERE AND TRYING TO EVEN PUSH IT, THERE WAS LIKE A LOT OF PUSHBACK AND IT FINALLY GOT DONE WHERE WE COULD GO BEYOND COLORADO. WE'RE LIKE, WHERE THE COLORADO IN IS AND GO A LITTLE BIT EAST. AND SO IT YOU'RE RIGHT, DOCTOR BENNET. IT TAKES TIME. AND IT'S FOR SOMEBODY TO COME WITH AN APPLICATION. YES, WE CAN DO THAT WHOLE THING WHERE WE LOOK AT THE AREA, BUT THAT TAKES A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF TO GO THROUGH ME, DO THINGS TO, TO MAKE, TO HAVE HEARINGS, TO HAVE NOTICES, TO DO THE PROPER THING, TO MAKE THE CHANGES, AND THEN TO SEE THE IMPACT. BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT THAT LARGE AREA INTO URBAN X, THEN THEY CAN BUILD ANOTHER MINI MOTEL, THEY CAN DO THIS, THEY CAN DO THAT, THEY CAN DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN THERE. AND IT COULD BE ALLOWED. SO THAT'S WHAT ISN'T THAT TRUE? YEAH. SO IF YOU CHANGE IT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IF YOU IF YOU DO IT THEY WILL COME. IF YOU PROVIDE IF YOU PROVIDE FOR IT, PEOPLE WILL CHANGE THEIR USE JUST LIKE IT USED TO BE HOMES. AND NOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMERCIAL OR OFFICES. THE BUILDINGS ARE TURNED IN, THE HOMES ARE TURNED INTO OFFICES. THEN IT WILL BECOME A HIGHER, MORE DENSE USE IN THERE. AND SO IF THAT'S WHAT THE VISION OF THE CITY IS, AND I THINK LET ME JUST SAY THIS, MR. COLLINS, WHEN YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP THE ZIP AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, I AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT LOOKING INTO YOUR MIND, BUT I'M THINKING THAT WHAT WE NEED IS TO LOOK AT VISION. SORRY TO LOOK AT. MAYBE IT'S A REVISIONING THAT YOU'RE THINKING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, BUT I THINK IT'S A REVISIONING, AND THAT'S FINE. I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT FOR OUR CITY. AND THE PEOPLE ARE OWED THAT TO KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AND WE'RE TRYING TO UPDATE AND UPGRADE THE ZONING. BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO IT PIECEMEAL. WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A VISIONING EXERCISE AND TRY TO WORK ON SOME THINGS, CERTAIN CORRIDORS, IF WE NEED TO WORK ON THIS CORRIDOR, THAT CORRIDOR, AND IT WE CAN'T DO THE WHOLE CITY ALL AT ONCE. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND SAY, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S HOW WE WANT TO DO. THE VISION OF THE CITY. SO, MR. MAYOR, AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH WITH, YOU KNOW, YOUR SUGGESTIONS. I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOOD. CAN I MAKE ONE POINT? SURE. SINCE YOU INVOKED ME, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS VERSUS LIKE EAST STEWART, FOR EXAMPLE, EAST STEWART IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY NOW ZONED TO BE POTENTIALLY MIXED USE, UP TO

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WELL, WHEN I MET WITH DOCTOR BENEDETTI ABOUT IT, I LOOKED AT IT. AND THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME RIGHT THERE AND ONE NEXT DOOR TO IT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU HAVE STARTING RIGHT HERE.

CONNOLLY, WHO IS THE FINANCIAL OFFICE? YOU HAVE A DOCTOR'S OFFICE, YOU HAVE FOGLE, YOU HAVE FOGLE CAPITAL THAT'S IN THERE. AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET YOU HAVE THE DENTIST'S OFFICE, AND YOU HAVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE OWNED BY THE HOSPITAL. YOU HAVE UPPER CERVICAL SPINE AND WELLNESS. YOU HAVE MOLLY'S HOUSE, YOU HAVE MUSK AND FOOD MART ON US ON EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD OVER HERE. THIS LOT IS A CONTINUATION OF MOLLY'S HOUSE THROUGH IT. AND THEN YOU ALSO GET DOWN TO STEWART ONCOLOGY AND OTHER THINGS DOWN HERE. BUT AND I'M JUST SAYING STOPPING AT ILLINOIS, I'M NOT EVEN GOING THAT FAR DOWN. JUST THAT SECTION RIGHT THERE WAS WHAT I WAS SAYING. AND SO TO ME, WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, WHAT MY CONCERN WAS, OR I LOOKED AT TO SAY, OKAY, WHY IS IT R3 LIKE IF WE CAME IN RIGHT NOW AND WE WERE GOING TO ASSIGN ZONING TO THIS AREA, WOULD WE SAY THAT R3 IS THE APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THIS AREA? AND CURRENTLY. R3 IS BASICALLY WOULD IT STARTS R WITH RESIDENTIAL. SO YOU'D PRESUME THAT THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL. OR WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP THAT CHRIS PUT UP EARLIER THAT SHOWS THE REST OF THE R3, AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE USES ARE IN THE REST OF THE R3, YOU FIND THAT IT'S KINGSWOOD AND IT'S CEDAR POINT, AND IT'S THESE OTHER PLACES THAT ARE THAT ARE LARGE, PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL AND, YOU KNOW, OR AT LEAST ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL. RIGHT. AND SO I STARTED SAYING TO MYSELF, WELL, IT IS WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER AN ANTIQUATED SUBDIVISION. NOW, WOULD I RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY BRING FORWARD AN APPLICATION TO CHANGE THIS SINGLE PARCEL RIGHT HERE TO URBAN CENTER OR TO DOWNTOWN WITH URBAN GENERAL AS ZONING? THE ANSWER IS NO, BECAUSE THAT WOULDN'T SERVE THE CITY A LONG TERM PLANNING PROCESS AT ALL. THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE AN INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION. BUT IF THE COMMISSION DIRECTED STAFF AND SAID, OKAY, STAFF, COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT THIS SHOULD BE, OR EVEN IF IT WENT ALL THE WAY UP TO HERE, I MEAN, WHATEVER YOU GUYS SAY. BUT IF YOU IF YOU DETERMINE THAT THIS LITTLE CHUNK OR THIS MISSING MIDDLE, AS THEY MIGHT SAY, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE HOSPITAL HERE AND THEN HERE, THIS BECOMES ALL RESIDENTIAL ANYWAY. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WHERE WHAT IS THIS KIND OF NO MAN'S LAND? IS ANYBODY POSSIBLY GOING TO PUT A HOUSE RIGHT THERE ON OSCEOLA IN THE FUTURE? AND THE ANSWER IS VERY UNLIKELY BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC COUNTS THERE. THE NEIGHBORING USES AND, AND THE, THE COST OF THE PROPERTY IS GROWN SO MUCH THAT IT DOESN'T SUPPORT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ANY LONGER. SO IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT IT'S GOING TO FALL IN THAT R3 LIFE. IT'S MORE LIKELY GOING TO FALL IN A DOWNTOWN BECAUSE AS YOU BACK OUT AND LOOK, I MEAN, IT IS IT IS IT IS DOWNTOWN. BUT AGAIN, THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURES THAT THAT OF THE OF THE BOARD, NOT OF THE APPLICANT, UNLESS THE APPLICANT COMES IN AND FILES AN APPLICATION FOR A FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE OR A PUD. IT'S REALLY THE DISCRETION OF WHAT THE BOARD SEES AS SUITABLE. MISTER MAYOR, COMMISSIONER JOB, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER CLARK, YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT IT'S A IT'S IN TRANSITION. IT'S GROWING THERE.

I DON'T KNOW, IT'S THE LAST 20 YEARS THAT I'VE KNOWN. IT'S ALREADY BEEN ALL OF THAT. IT HAS BEEN BUILDING. I MEAN, IT HAS NOT BEEN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. IT HAS BEEN CHIROPRACTOR OFFICES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THEY'RE ALREADY THERE. THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME. SO WE WOULDN'T REALLY BE CHANGING IT. IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL NOW. WE WOULD JUST BE CORRECTING TO WHAT IT SHOULD BE. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 13 YEARS AND IT'S BEEN THE SAME THING. YEAH. AND THEN I'VE BEEN WHAT, 17 YEARS? AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN THAT FOR AS LONG AS I KNOW. MISTER MORTAL, WHAT IS SO, SO WE'RE DISCUSSING AND DELIBERATION. WELL, THIS WAS A D AND D YEAH. IT'S A D. YEAH.

WITHOUT DIRECTION. WOODSIDE IS HERE. JOHN, WHAT DO YOU THINK? THE ONLY THING I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS OTHER R3'S IN THE CITY. LIKE I'M LOOKING AT PROPERTY ON PALM CITY, CUTOFF ROAD BY PUBLIX. I MEAN, I DON'T FORESEE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES GETTING DEVELOPED THERE. LIKE MIKE SAID, WITH THE PRICE OF REAL ESTATE, I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ONE THERE. AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY

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WE KIND OF MOVED ON FROM THAT. THIS AREA, WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS A AN AREA, WOULD BE DOWNTOWN WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A CHANGE AND DEVELOP A SALON AND ALL OF THAT. THERE'S ALREADY DOCTORS OFFICES THERE, ACTUALLY, ACROSS THE STREET THERE IS ANOTHER SALON, SO IT WOULDN'T AFFECT THE REST OF R3. WHERE IS IT IN THE URBAN GENERAL, THE SALON, THE SALONS, IN THE URBAN GENERAL, ACROSS THE STREET. IT'S LIKE DIRECTLY ACROSS. YES. AND SO THEY'RE RIGHT ON THAT LINE. THAT'S WHY A LAND USE CHANGE OR APPLICATION. I DON'T KNOW WHY I THOUGHT A PUD MADE SENSE WHEN I MENTIONED IT. YEAH. JUST BECAUSE OF WE, I, I KNOW WE'RE BEYOND THE WHOLE R3 THING. WE'RE LOOKING AT IT. WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE POINT OF FIXING THE. SO IF I MAY ALSO, I NOTICED THIS WAS PRETTY INTERESTING ON THIS SLIDE. EXHIBIT EXHIBIT B1, YOU CAN NOTICE THAT SALON BARBER SHOPS SPAS ARE DENOTED BY A STAR. CAN YOU ZOOM IN. AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY EXISTING USES WITHIN R3, AS YOU CAN TELL. SO HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? WHAT? HE'S SAYING THERE'S EXISTING. THEY HAVE BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS THERE CURRENTLY. HOW DOES THAT WORK.

YEAH. WELL FIRST OF ALL IT DEPENDS ON WHEN THE URBAN CODE AND WHEN THESE FORMS WERE WRITTEN, LIKE WHEN AS THE AS THE CODE GETS UPDATED, ONE OF THOSE SALONS COULD HAVE BEEN IN THERE ALREADY. AND THEN THEY REMOVED BEAUTY SALON FROM R3 BECAUSE IT WASN'T DEEMED AS APPROPRIATE.

BUT THE BUSINESS IS GRANDFATHERED AND REMAINS IN BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY IN BUSINESS AND CAN STAY OPEN. I HAVEN'T LOOKED THROUGH IT TO DETERMINE WHAT THE. IT WAS THE SAME THING. IT WAS R3. THERE'S A TEXT AMENDMENT DEFINING WHAT R3 IS LIKE WHEN YOU MAKE THOSE CHANGES TO THE CODE, AND THOSE TEXT AMENDMENTS BRING STUFF IN AND OUT, THE SALON COULD BE OPEN. THEN THE TEXT AMENDMENT COULD HAVE REMOVED BEAUTY SALON FROM A USE IN THAT. IN THAT LAND USE. AND AGAIN WE'RE I DON'T I DIDN'T LOOK AT THEM. BUT CAN YOU GO BACK TO SHOW WHERE THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY IN IT ARE. YEAH. SO ARE THESE THEM HERE. DO YOU MEAN CHRIS I THINK IT'S A IS IT A PDF OR SO. THOSE ARE WHICH ONE IS BEAUTY SALON. SO THIS STAR OVER HERE IS GEORGIA ON THE VERY WEST SIDE OF THIS. THIS IS RIGHT THERE. AND RIGHT THERE. YOU HAVE ONE HERE ACROSS FROM THE HOSPITAL, ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, HOSPITAL AVENUE, I BELIEVE RIGHT HERE. ESTHETICS. I MEAN, YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY IT MAY BE THAT THEY WERE VERY SIMILAR USES AS DOCTOR BENEDETTI WHERE THEY HAD SALON BARBERSHOP. RIGHT. BUT I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW AND IT SAYS, I KNOW THAT. I KNOW WHAT HE SAYS, RIGHT THERE IS THE STAR. BUT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE LAND, IT SAYS STUART ONCOLOGY. LIKE IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS PARCEL RIGHT HERE. SO THAT'S THE PARKING GARAGE, RIGHT? SO IF I GO RIGHT AT THAT, SAYS GRAY'S ANATOMY AND SHE'S NOT IN ANEMIA SPINAL CENTER SPOT. AND THEN I CAN'T SEE WHAT THE, THE WHAT THE ADVERTISED USE IS. AND AGAIN, THESE AREN'T I DON'T HAVE THE. AND WHERE'S THE CHURCH. IS IT.

SOUTH OF CHURCH IS RIGHT HERE. OVER HERE. THE RIGHT OVER HERE. RIGHT ACROSS FROM. I'M LOOKING RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PARKING GARAGE. SO THAT'S A STREET RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE CANCER CENTER UP THERE. AND WELL, THIS IS THIS IS ILLINOIS CANCER CENTER HERE, AND THIS IS THE PARKING GARAGE NEXT TO IT. RIGHT. AND THEN YOU GO ACROSS THE STREET AND THEN THAT'S EAST OCEAN AND THEN ACROSS EAST OCEAN. RIGHT. SO I'M LOOKING AT THAT. AND THAT'S HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE. RIGHT. AND INGLES AND VOLKER IS REALTORS. WHAT'S RIGHT THERE I MEAN I THAT BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT I DON'T KNOW WHO'S. OH YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS. THERE'S FIVE TOWNHOUSES THERE. YEAH. AND IT'S A RESIDENTIAL. YES. OWNERSHIP. SO IT GOES UNDER THE HOME BUSINESS QUALIFICATION.

PROFESSIONAL. YEAH. AND SO I THINK THAT IF WE DRILL DOWN ON THESE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND, THAT IT'S NOT THE COMMERCIAL BEAUTY SALON. IT'S PROBABLY A PERSON THAT OWNS TOWNHOUSE RIGHT THERE ON HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE AND HAS THEIR BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT, THEIR LICENSE AND ALL THEIR STUFF JUST HANGING IN THEIR LIVING ROOM AS A HOME BUSINESS. AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DEDUCT THEIR MORTGAGE PAYMENT BECAUSE THEY LIVE THERE. THAT'S WHY THEY QUALIFY. AND THEN I GO DOWN HERE TO THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS THAT'S NOT SODA AND THAT'S A PUD. SO THAT DOESN'T COUNT. THEN I GO DOWN HERE TO THIS ONE AND I CAN SEE THAT'S THE LAKE AT PALM BEACH ROAD. RIGHT. SO IT'S DOWN FURTHER. MY LAW OFFICE USED TO BE RIGHT HERE. THIS WAS STEVEN.

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HE'S SAYING THE EXTENSION OF THAT BLOCK. JUST THE EXTENSION. YEAH, THAT'S VERY LIMITED. THOSE HAVE BEEN. DOCTORS OFFICES AND WHATNOT, AND WE HAVE A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS WE UNDERGO. SO THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME FOR INPUT AND TALK TO PEOPLE AND GET A FEEL FOR WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER CLARK MAKES SENSE. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT COULD WHAT COULD GO THERE THAT YOU'RE NOT IN. IF HE CHANGES HIS MIND AND DOESN'T DO THAT WELL, THAT WOULD ALSO BE THE LAW THAT HE COULD GIVE TO THE TO THE BOARD. OBVIOUSLY, YOU GUYS, I'M NOT ASKING ANYBODY TO VOTE ON IT TONIGHT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT IN A POSITION BECAUSE YOU NEED TO SEE IT ALL CONSENSUS TO GET TO DIRECT US, TO BRING IT BACK.

RIGHT? RIGHT. IF YOU GUYS ARE OPEN TO THE CONVERSATION, STAFF CAN BRING BACK THE DISCUSSION AND MOVE FORWARD ON IT AS A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT, RIGHT? YEAH, I AGREE, SEAN, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT DO YOU THINK? I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT COMING BACK. I MEAN, THE URBAN WATERFRONT MAKES SENSE. THE QUESTION IS WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE WHEN YOU MOVE THE URBAN GENERAL? BUT DO YOU RUN IT ALL THE WAY DOWN, OSCEOLA OR. AND HOW DO WE DECIDE THAT THAT'S I MEAN, HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH THAT DECISION? THE HOSPITAL IS RIGHT THERE. KIND OF. YEAH. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE LINE THAT ILLINOIS HOSPITALS, THEY'RE INVISIBLE LINE. THE INVISIBLE LINE. RIGHT. IT'S LIKE, WHERE DO YOU DRAW IT? THAT'S IS IT GOING TO TRIGGER ADDITIONAL REQUESTS? YES. WE COULD ALSO BREAK DOWN THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS PER THE SUB ZONING DISTRICTS, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE BIGGEST DEFINING FACTOR PER THE INDIVIDUAL SUBDISTRICTS. THE USES ARE SYNONYMOUS THROUGHOUT ALL FIVE OF THEM. BUT URBAN GENERAL IS PROBABLY GOING TO MEET IT ANYWAY. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, BECAUSE THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD REQUIRES THE FRONT PORCHES AND THE PICKET FENCES AND ALL THAT STUFF. SIMILAR TO THE CODE, THE FORM BASED CODE.

BUT IT HAS TO. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. YEAH. OKAY. ARE WE AGREED? I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT. HAVE WE AGREED? WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED TO HAVE OR ALL THE COMMISSION HAS INTERESTED TO HAVE ME BRING BACK A OR TO DIRECT THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO START PURSUING AND EVALUATING THE FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGE. RIGHT. OKAY.

AND WHAT WE CAN DO IS PUT TOGETHER A RECOMMENDATION, BRING IT BACK TO YOU FOR THE APRIL 10TH MEETING SAYING, HERE'S WHAT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND WE DO FOR THIS MOVING FORWARD. IF THE COMMISSION VOTES ON IT, WE GO FORWARD AND DO IT. MIKE, WHAT'S A OH, SORRY. OH I'M SORRY, I WAS GOING TO SAY WHAT'S AN IDEAL TIME FRAME FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS START TO FINISH. WE CAME BACK ON ON APRIL 10TH AND YOU DIRECTED US TO MOVE FORWARD AND DO IT. THE LANGUAGE IS ALREADY WRITTEN, SO IT'S NOT A TEXT AMENDMENT. IT'S LITERALLY JUST A MAP AMENDMENT. SO THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT FORWARD, DRAFT AN ORDINANCE, DRAFT AN APPLICATION, GO TO THE LPA AND THE CRB, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY HAPPEN IN APRIL AND MAY, AND THEN WOULD COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE CITY COMMISSION IN JUNE FOR TWO READINGS. PRESENTATION OF THE COMPATIBILITY FACTORS AND ALL THE CRITERIA. AND REALLY IT COULD PASS IN JUNE OR JULY. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PUT THIS AS A D AND D ON THEIR AGENDA ON THOSE BOARDS JUST TO SEE WHAT THEY THINK I MEAN? THEY CAN BE, BUT NOBODY REALLY BUT SLOWS IT DOWN. WELL, AND ON TOP OF THAT THEY. GO BACK WITH YEAH, YEAH GO BACK TO THEM AGAIN. YEAH. OKAY. AND AT THIS POINT WHEN WE'RE ASKING STAFF, WOULD IT BE THAT IMAGINARY LINE THAT WE'VE JUST SAID IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE HOSPITAL, IT WOULD BE UP TO ILLINOIS'S. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THAT'S I'M HEARING IT BEING ILLINOIS. BUT IT MAY BE THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT BASED UPON THE USES THAT ARE ADDED, IT MIGHT EXTEND A LITTLE FURTHER OR SHORTER, BUT WE WOULD BRING THAT BACK. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAD TO BE SPECIFIC BEFORE THE

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SO I THINK IT WILL SUPPORT FALLS ALSO. YEAH. YEAH. AND COMMISSIONER JOB BEING BORN IN CHICAGO IT'S ILLINOIS I'M SORRY ILLINOIS, BUT BEING BORN IN BROOKLYN IT'S NOT. AND BROOKLYN COUNTS OVER CHICAGO. THANK YOU. OKAY. WATER DISCUSSION. DO YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT CLARITY, MR.

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DISCUSSION. SO, PETER, PETER WAITED THE WHOLE NIGHT. OH, PETER, YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS.

OKAY. WORE A TIE, MR. COONAN. AND I GAVE YOUR POINTER TO CHRIS IN CASE YOU NEED IT, BUT I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES? YEAH. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. PETER KEENAN, DIRECTOR OF UTILITIES AND ENGINEERING. FOR THE RECORD.

AND SO IS MY PRESENTATION OVER? WE'RE WE'RE CHRIS IS I BELIEVE IT IS. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO JUST SCOOT OVER THERE OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. MOSEY ON DOWN. THANK YOU CHRIS. THANK YOU CHRIS. THANK YOU. YEAH. I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE THE PRESENTATION IS. HERE WE HELP YOU. WE NEED SOME TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE HERE. OKAY. LOOK AT THIS. OKAY. YOUR PRESENTATION IS THE ONE. HERE. YEAH, IT SHOULD BE IN HERE. THAT'S NOT IT. OKAY. YOU MAY WANT TO JUST PULL UP THE AGENDA AND CLICK ON IT. IF IT'S ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THERE WE GO. OKAY.

JUST BEAR WITH ME, PLEASE. I'LL FIND IT. THERE'S SOMETHING THERE. LET'S SEE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO HERE. MIKE, IN THE FUTURE PRESENTATION DOWN TOWARDS THE END. OH HERE WE GO. BUT IN THIS CASE WE WERE BECAUSE OF THE SHORT TIME WE HAD BETWEEN MEETINGS AND THE THING WE CAN'T GET THEM DONE IN TIME BECAUSE, LIKE, I HAVE TO GET THE NEXT AGENDA UP ON WEDNESDAY. I'LL HAVE. ISN'T THAT IT? ISN'T THAT TIME PERIOD JUST. NO. BECAUSE YOU GUYS TOLD US TO END THIS.

THANK YOU CHRIS. OKAY. IT'S THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS IT GETS BECAUSE THE ATTACHMENTS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, ASHLEY. CAPITAL. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE. SO TONIGHT THE DISCUSSION HAS TO DO WITH THE ATTACHMENT OUR WATER SUPPLY. TALK ABOUT IT. AND WHERE WHERE THE CITY CURRENTLY IS WITH RESPECT TO DAILY PRODUCTION. AND ALSO WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS. HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE AN ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY TO MEET, TO MEET THAT THOSE NEEDS AND DEMANDS? SO I'D LIKE TO START OFF WITH REALLY WHERE? WE GET OUR WATER FROM. WE GET WATER FROM TWO DISTINCTIVE WELL FIELDS. ONE IS THE SURFICIAL WELL FIELD AND THE OTHER IS THE FLORIDA AND WELL FIELD. WHAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT THAT IS ISSUED BY THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, THAT BASICALLY, THIS IS WHAT PERMITS THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT THE CITY CAN WITHDRAW FROM, FROM THE GROUND, INCLUDING BOTH WELL FIELDS. THE CURRENT PERMIT WAS ISSUED IN OCTOBER OF 2023, AND IT'S A 20 YEAR PERMIT, AND IT RUNS THROUGH OCTOBER OF 2043. SO IN THE PERMIT, THE KEY POINTS THAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT THE WHAT'S BEEN PERMITTED FOR THE CITY OF STUART IS AN ALLOCATION, AN ANNUAL ALLOCATION OF 1.3 BILLION

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THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF WATER FOR THE MONTH OF DECEMBER 2024 THAT WAS PRODUCED AT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, INCLUDING THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WAS PULLED FROM THE SURFICIAL WELLS. THAT'S THE THIS COLUMN HERE FOR THE PRODUCTION WELLS, THE SURFICIAL WELL FIELD. AND THEN THE SECOND COLUMN REPRESENTS THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WAS WITHDRAWN FROM THE FLORIDA WELL FIELD. THAT GOES TO OUR REVERSE OSMOSIS FACILITY. SO FOR 2024, I TOOK LET ME GO TO THE NEXT TABLE HERE AND LET ME SEE IF I CAN MAKE MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. THIS TABLE REPRESENTS THE ANNUAL 2024 WATER DEMANDS AND ALLOCATION. THE BASICALLY THE UTILIZATION OF OUR TWO AQUIFERS DURING 2024. AND I BROKE IT OUT INTO THE TWO THE TWO WELL FIELDS, THE SURFICIAL AQUIFER HERE AND THE FLORIDAN AQUIFER. AND THEN THE COMBINED SURFICIAL AND FLORIDAN AQUIFER. BECAUSE WHAT WE DO HERE AT THE CITY WITH WATER PRODUCTION, THE TWO INDIVIDUAL WATER TREATMENT PROCESSES ARE DONE SEPARATELY. AND THEN AT THE END OF WATER TREATMENT, THE TWO WATERS ARE BLENDED TOGETHER. THAT GIVES US A GOOD WATER QUALITY. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT GIVES US ALSO WHAT'S CALLED OPERATIONAL FLEXIBILITY IN THAT IN THE EVENT THAT ONE OF THE ONE OF THE PROCESSES NEEDS TO BE TAKEN DOWN FOR, FOR SOME WORK, WHETHER CHANGING OUT A PUMP OR EVEN TAKING DOWN A GROUNDWATER STORAGE TANK, THEN THE OTHER, THE OTHER FACILITY CAN BE RAMPED UP TO COVER THE AMOUNT OF DAILY DEMANDS. SO THIS IS WITH WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR. AT THE END OF LAST YEAR, WE HAVE FOR THE SURFICIAL AQUIFER, THE AMOUNT THAT WAS THAT WAS WITHDRAWN, THE WHICH REPRESENTS THE DEMAND FOR THE YEAR WAS THIS 987 MILLION GALLONS. THE ALLOCATION WAS 11.

1253 MILLION GALLONS. AND THAT GIVES US A ALLOCATION RATE OF 79% OF THAT SURFICIAL WELL FIELD WAS UTILIZED IN 2020 FOR TO MEET THE DEMANDS WITH RESPECT TO THE FLORIDAN AQUIFER. NOW THAT WE JUST STARTED PRODUCTION IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR. SO THE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE BIT LOWER.

BUT FOR THE FLORIDAN AQUIFER, THE ANNUAL, THE ANNUAL DEMAND WAS 126 MILLION GALLONS. WITH RESPECT TO THE ALLOCATION, 321 MILLION GALLONS. SO THE ACTUAL ALLOCATION UTILIZED IS ONLY 39%.

NOW IN 2025, THESE NUMBERS WILL GO UP BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE USING WE'LL HAVE MORE MORE MONTHS OF

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AND IT IT FOR, FOR THE FUTURE. IF I HAD IT ALL IN THE SAME IT WE'D BE DEALING WITH MUCH LARGER NUMBERS. NO I UNDERSTAND, YES, SIR. BUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S A HEALTHY RESERVE. WE'RE SAYING WE'RE AT LIKE 85% OR WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS. THAT'S OUR TOTAL USAGE. WHAT'S. I MEAN, YOU DON'T GO TO 100, RIGHT? YOU DON'T YOU DON'T BUILD OUT TILL YOU GET TO 100 AND JUST RIGHT 100. WHAT IS A HEALTHY BUFFER. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S NOT TRULY THAT YOU HAVE A HALF A MILLION GALLONS. IT'S LIKE WHAT PETER'S TALKING ABOUT THOUGH IS ACTUAL PRODUCTION, RIGHT? OUR SURFICIAL AQUIFER CAN PRODUCE 3.5 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, AND OUR RO PLANT CAN PRODUCE 1.5 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. SO TECHNICALLY, WE CAN PRODUCE 5 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. BUT OUR PERMITTED IS ALLOCATION IS LIMITED TO 3.4 MILLION A DAY ANYWAY, SO WE'RE NOT PRESSING THE 97% CAPACITY OF THE MACHINERY. NO, NO. AND THE WELLS PERMIT. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PERMIT. RIGHT. AND SO WHAT'S THE HEALTHY BUFFER? DO YOU JUST GO TO YOUR PERMIT THRESHOLD? THAT'S THE PERMIT THRESHOLD.

USUALLY IF WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE PERMITTED ALLOCATION, WE'LL GET NOTIFIED BY SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT. IF IT'S CONSISTENTLY, YOU KNOW, ABOVE THE 90% LEVEL OR 95% OF THE. SHOULD OUR GOAL BE TO APPROACH THAT AND NOT EXCEED IT SO THAT WE'RE NOT BEING CONTACTED BY THEM? WELL, AND THEN IT IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF EXPANDING IT. BUT BUT THAT IS OUR GOAL. BUT THE OTHER THING IS IT'S NOT A DAILY PERMIT. IT'S 1.3 BILLION A YEAR PERMIT MEASURED IN DAYS TO SEE HOW THE INCREMENT IS WORKING. BUT AND THEN YOU SORT OF REVERSE ENGINEER FROM THAT AND THAT'S JODY'S THRESHOLD OF RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT'S RIGHT. WELL WHAT WHAT COMES TO IT. YES, THAT'S CORRECT, VICE MAYOR. IT BASICALLY IS WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT RESERVES TO MEET THE THEY MEET THE PROJECTED DEMAND OF ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN. RIGHT. BECAUSE MY HOPE IS TO USE THIS FOR THE CEILING, YOU KNOW, AND NOT HAVE IT CONTINUE TO EXPAND. IF WE ONCE YOU'RE APPROACHING THAT, THAT'S THE LEVEL OF DENSITY THAT YOU ALLOW IN THE PROJECT THAT COMES IN BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE MORE SUPPLY. WELL, UNLESS WE REQUESTED THERE'S UNLESS WE REQUESTED A PRODUCTION CAPACITY VERSUS OUR ALLOCATION FROM SF AND D. BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS I'M TRYING TO THINK OF HOW TO SAY THIS. WHAT IS A IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PERMITTED FOR IT. THAT'S BY AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S LOOKING AT THE LARGER IMPACT ON FLORIDA. RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU'RE PERMITTED FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER. IT COULD PUMP OUT MORE, BUT THE STATE BACKED US INTO IT. IN 2007, THE STATE PROJECTED THAT OUR OUR BUILD OUT BY 2028 WAS GOING TO BE 28,000 PEOPLE. WE WERE SAYING, NO, IT'S NOT, WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT. AND THEY WERE SAYING, OH, PORT SAINT LUCIE IS THE FASTEST GROWING CITY IN THE COUNTRY. AND THIS WAS ACTUALLY 2006. WE WERE RENEWING THE CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT FOR A 20 YEAR PERMIT IN 2007 TILL 2027. AND THEY SAID, WELL, YOU NEED TO SHOW IN THIS CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE ENOUGH WATER FOR 28,000 PEOPLE OR WE'RE NOT RENEWING IT FOR YOU UNLESS YOU DEMONSTRATE THAT. SO WE DID INTERCONNECTIONS WITH THE COUNTY AND SAID, LOOK, IF WE EVER COME UP SHORT, WE CAN JUST BUY WATER FROM THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO BUILD ANOTHER WATER TREATMENT PLANT, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T NEED ANOTHER WATER TREATMENT PLANT. AND THEN WHEN WE ENDED UP GETTING POLLUTED IN 2016, WE FOUND OURSELVES IN A PREDICAMENT THAT WE WERE BUILDING ANOTHER WATER TREATMENT PLANT. AND WHEN IT WAS COMPLETED AND WE WENT TO APPLY FOR THE NEW CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT, THE STUDY THAT'S REQUIRED IS THEY TAKE THE SERVICE AREA AND THEY SAY, OKAY, WELL, HOW MUCH WATER IS THE BUILD OUT OF THIS SERVICE AREA GOING TO USE IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS? AND THEY REVIEW IT. AND THEY SAID IN THE CITY OF STEWART'S POSITION, BECAUSE WE DID TWO STUDIES, WE DID THE SERVICE AREA AND WE DID THE CITY POPULATION. BUT THE CITY POPULATION CAME OUT AND SAID, IF EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY IN THE CITY IS BUILT TO ITS MAXIMUM DENSITY, MEANING THAT NOTHING IS LESS THAN 30 UNITS, NOTHING. EVERYTHING WAS BUILT THAT WAS VACANT TO ITS MAXIMUM DENSITY. STUART WOULD HAVE ENDED UP AT 23,700 PEOPLE. AND THAT'S WHY THE STATE SAID YOU HAVE TO HAVE SUFFICIENT WATER FOR 23,700 PEOPLE. AND WE SAID, GREAT, THAT'S A PERFECT NUMBER. WE'LL LIVE WITH IT. GOOD TO GO. WE CAPPED IT AT 23,700. WE'RE RIGHT ON LINE WITH THAT. WE HAVE NO ISSUES CONCERNING COMING IN OVER THAT NUMBER. WE HAVE PLENTY OF

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THAT'S GOING TO SAY, OH, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD LIVE LOCAL ACT 1000 APARTMENTS AND DROP THEM IN HERE AND ADD 4000 PEOPLE TO STUART, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT WITH, WITH THE RO PLANT ALONE. WOULD WE BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT MUCH WATER IF WE HAD TO? IF THE SURFICIAL AQUIFER WAS JUST FOR SOME REASON, IT WOULD TAKE THE NEXT SIGNIFICANT EXPANSION AND MONEY FROM THE RO PLANT TO DO THAT. BUT THE DESIGN INCLUDES PHASES THAT COULD HAVE IT EXPANDED. IS THAT SOMETHING I THINK ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE NEXT PFOA COMES OUT, THE NEXT THING, INEVITABLY THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. THESE GUYS THINK ABOUT IT. 2 MILLION. YOU KNOW, SO YOU SHOULD YOU SHOULDN'T TRY TO KEEP EXPANDING. YOU SHOULDN'T KEEP EXPANDING THAT PERMIT BEYOND WHAT ONE OF THOSE TWO COULD SUPPORT IF IT HAD TO. BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT. I KNOW WE'RE AT A GOOD SPOT RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T WANT TO BE RIGHT NOW WITH THE OPERATIONAL FLEXIBILITY CONCEPT, IS BALANCING THE USE AND TRYING TO MAKE IT SO THAT NEITHER SYSTEM OR WELLS IS OVERUSED, TO THE POINT THAT IT WOULD DEPRECIATE THE WELLS OR DEPRECIATE THE SYSTEMS, OR EVEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE PUMPS OR ANYTHING. IT'S TRYING TO FIND THAT SWEET SPOT BALANCE TO SHUT OFF WELLS AS THEY GO. RIGHT? RIGHT. I THINK WE IF WE WERE APPROACHING THE LIMIT ON OUR PRODUCTION CAPACITY, I WOULD SHARE YOUR CONCERN. RIGHT. BUT WE'RE APPROACHING THE LIMIT IN OUR ALLOCATION. RIGHT. AND I ALSO THINK THAT COMMISSIONER COLLINS IS SAYING, LOOK, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A BIG DEVELOPER COME IN AND THEY JUST SAY, OKAY, WELL, WE'LL JUST EXPAND THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THEN YOU JUST KEEP GOING AND GOING AND GOING, AND THE NUMBER KEEPS GOING UP AND UP. I THINK THAT WOULD BE CONTROVERSIAL. YEAH. IT'S NOT ANYWHERE RIGHT. WE'RE AT COMMISSIONER JOB 24,000.

THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. ONLY BECAUSE I'M IGNORANT OF THIS, BUT THE AQUIFER YOU REFER TO, IS IT JUST THAT THE CITY USES IT, OR IS THE COUNTY USE THAT SAME AQUIFER? THEY HAVE THEIR OWN. IT'S EVERYBODY IN THE WHOLE REGION. IT'S A REGIONAL AQUIFER. THEY THEY BOTH ARE. SO IT'S SO WHEN WE'RE PROJECTING OF WHAT'S BUILT AND WHAT IT'S NOT JUST US, IT'S WHAT THE COUNTY IS BUILDING, WHAT EVERYBODY'S BUILDING. THE CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMITS BY SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION HOW MANY GALLONS ARE IN THE AQUIFER. THEY WON'T LET THE COUNTY AND THE CITY BUILD A DRILL, A WELL IN THE SAME LOCATION AND DRAW THE SAME WATER OUT. OH, THEY ALREADY DOLE IT OUT. THEY HAVE TO. THE WELLS HAVE TO BE SPACED APART SO ONE DOESN'T INFLUENCE THE OTHER. OKAY, SO IT'S ALL LOOKED AT REGIONALLY OKAY. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. YEAH. THEY REPORT AT LEAST MONTHLY. IS IT DAILY OR MONTHLY REPORTS ON THE CONSUMPTION. OH WELL WE GET WE GET DAILY FIGURES. IT'S REPORTED MONTHLY TO THE DISTRICT OKAY. SO THEY THEY KEEP CLOSE TABS. HOW OFTEN DO DO THE REGULATORY PEOPLE REALLY SURVEY WHAT'S DOWN THERE. WHAT'S WHAT'S WHAT'S AVAILABLE AS FAR AS THE WATER. I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW FREQUENTLY IT'S DONE. OTHER OTHER OTHER THAN IT'S AN ONGOING TYPE OF STUDY THAT'S BEING DONE.

AND LOOKING AT THE 20 YEAR WATER SUPPLY PLAN, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S A WHOLE REGIONAL SUPPLY.

DOCUMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY LOOK AT ALL ALL THE TIME. SO WITH NEW FIGURES COMING IN, ALL THE WEALTH, ALL THE WEALTH FIGURES THAT ALL EACH COMMUNITY SUBMITS TO THE DISTRICT, THEY TAKE ALL THAT INFORMATION INTO INTO THE, INTO ACCOUNT IN OUR DATA.

ABSOLUTELY. THEY ARE. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE USING FOR THAT. YEAH, I GOT YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WAS FISHING FOR. YES. HOW DO WE REPORT THE LEVELS WE'RE SEEING IN THE AQUIFER TO THEM, OR DO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN. WE DON'T REPORT THAT. BUT THEY THEY MOST LIKELY HAVE HAVE THAT, THAT THAT DOCUMENTED. THEY HAVE THE INSTRUMENTATION TO DO THAT. SO WE'RE NOT RUNNING OUT OF WATER DOWN THERE. WE ARE NOT RUNNING OUT OF WATER. NO, NO. TALK TO THE MAN UPSTAIRS. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. THE CITY IS GOING TO BE CHARGED TO SOLVE. ANYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU PETER. YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND I'LL. NEXT TIME I'LL TRY TO HAVE THE UNITS MORE, MORE CONSISTENT. WHOOPS. COMMISSIONER CLARK, YOU ALMOST MADE IT. YOU. ALMOST DID. YES.

YES, COMMISSIONER. THANKS. SO I DIDN'T GET TO SAY THIS DURING COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS, AND I PROMISE THAT I WOULD DO IT. I WAS WALKING THE OTHER MORNING, LIKE, REAL EARLY, AND I MET

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