[00:00:08] ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. I'M GOING TO CALL THIS SPECIAL MEETING OF THE SEWARD CITY COMMISSION. EAST SEWARD, ZONING ITEMS FOR THE 20TH OF MARCH, 2025. THANK YOU SO MUCH, ALL OF YOU, FOR COMING. I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO TAKE YOUR TIME AND BE HERE. SO THIS IS WHAT A CITY SHOULD LOOK LIKE, A CONTRIBUTION OF PARTICIPATION. ALL OF YOU, ESPECIALLY THOSE OF YOU WHO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, ARE AFFECTED BY THE DECISION THAT WE WILL BE MAKING. SO OUR INVOCATION WILL BE PROVIDED BY FATHER CHRISTIAN FROM SAINT MARY'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH. [ROLL CALL] I'M SORRY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MAYOR RICH HERE, VICE MAYOR COLLINS. COMMISSIONER CLARK HERE. COMMISSIONER. JOB HERE. COMMISSIONER. READ HERE, FATHER CHRISTIAN. AMEN. PLEASE STAND. FOR THE LORD BE WITH YOU ALL. AND ALSO WITH YOU. OKAY. THEY PROBABLY HEAR ME. THANK YOU. FATHER GOD. ISAIAH. OH, HELLO. THAT'S RIGHT. YES. WELL, FATHER, IN ISAIAH 3218, YOU SAY MY PEOPLE WILL ABIDE IN A PEACEFUL HABITATION, IN SECURE DWELLINGS AND IN QUIET RESTING PLACES. YES. YES. FATHER, I PRAY OVER THIS. OVER OUR HOMES, OVER THE HABITATIONS THAT YOU PRESIDE TO US. YOU GIVE TO US OVER OUR COMMUNITY. WE PRAY FOR A PEACEFUL WAY OF LOOKING AND ASKING FOR YOUR WISDOM TO GUIDE EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS ROOM. MAY YOUR YOUR WISDOM, YOUR HOLY SPIRIT GUIDE US ALL TODAY. SO COME, LORD, COME. GOD OF ALL WISDOM, COME. GOD OF ALL PEACE. AMEN. THE GOD WHO PROVIDES THE HOME AND PROVIDES THE HABITATION. WE CALL UPON YOU GOD, AND WE PRAY THAT THE WISDOM THAT'S BEYOND OUR UNDERSTANDING, NOT OF HUMAN WISDOM, BUT OF GODLY WISDOM, TO BE MOVING THROUGH THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, THAT HUMAN VOICES CANNOT BE THE FORCES THAT MAKE THE CALLS TODAY, THAT IT'S A CALL OF THE WISDOM OF GOD FOR ALL PEOPLE. LORD. SO HELP US TO SURRENDER TO YOUR CALL TODAY. MAY WE BECOME THE LESSER, SO YOU BECOME THE GREATER LORD. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT IT'S LED TO THE POWER OF LOVE. AND IT'S NOT ABOUT LOVE, IT AIN'T ABOUT GOD. SO COME POWER OF LOVE TO BE LEADING FOR THE PEOPLE, TO BE CARING FOR YOUR PEOPLE. ESPECIALLY THE GOOD PEOPLE OF EAST SEWARD. THIS WE PRAY IN YOUR NAME. WE BOW DOWN TO YOU. OH, LORD OUR KING, WE HUMBLE OURSELVES BEFORE YOU. ALL THIS WE SAY IN YOUR NAME. AND ALL GOD'S CHILDREN SAID AMEN. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I KNOW THAT, BUT AT BEST, YOU SHOULD GIVE ME A SNIFF. COME UP AND PROVIDE BRIEF REMARKS BEFORE HE LEAVES US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I JUST WANT TO THANK THE NAACP BECAUSE THEY MADE THIS IS NORMALLY THEIR TIME FOR THEIR MEETINGS, AND THEY MADE THIS TIME AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO EVERYBODY. TO THE FIRST TIME. HISTORY. THIS IS HISTORIC. TODAY, WOULD YOU KNOW THAT FIRST TIME WE EVER HAD A HOST OF CITY COMMISSION MEETING HERE IN EAST STEWART WITH ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HERE? SO GIVE GOD THE GLORY. GIVE HIM A HIGH HAND CLAP. AND THANK YOU, LORD GOD, FOR THIS DAY. FIRST OF ALL, I'M GOING TO SAY THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, AND OFFER OPENING HEARTS UP TO DECIDE TO COME HERE, MEET THE PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE, SHOW THEM THAT THEY CARE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE CITY OF STEWART. AND JUST THANKFUL THAT NAACP IS HOSTING THIS IS THAT THIS ORGANIZATION BELONGS TO ALL OF YOU, WHETHER YOU'RE A MEMBER OR NOT. IT'S STILL FIGHTING FOR EQUAL RIGHTS, CIVIL RIGHTS AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND UNLESS YOU KNOW THAT THE LOVE OF GOD IS IN THIS PLACE TODAY, I WANT TO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND PLEASE YEAH. AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO CONDUCT OURSELVES. AND WE LOVE AND COMPASSION, EVEN THOUGH WHEN WE SPEAK AT THE MICROPHONE, IF YOU DISAGREE WITH SOMEONE, STILL HAVE RESPECT AND LOVE. DON'T CALL PEOPLE NAMES. DON'T GET MAD. LET'S DO IT IN LOVE AND COMPASSION. THIS IS WHY THIS THIS MEETING IS WATCHED ALL AROUND THE WORLD. YES. AND TONIGHT I KNOW I WILL GET CALLED FROM NEW YORK, CHICAGO, FROM THE STATE, AND ALSO FROM NATIONAL HOW WE OPERATE IN STUART. WE LOOKED AT BRANCH IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND AROUND. THEY ARE MARRIED. WHAT YOU DO AND WE DO HERE IN STUART, FLORIDA. SO LET'S SHOW THEM HOW THEY SHOULD DO IT AROUND THE WORLD. [00:05:04] THANK YOU. AMEN. YOUNG LADY, LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE. GIRL SCOUT. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AMEN. AMEN. OKAY. THANK YOU, MISTER SMITH, FOR THAT ADMONITION. NO SECOND CHURCH COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS. [COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS] COMMISSIONER DRUMMOND COMMENTS THIS EVENING. SURE, I'LL KEEP IT SIMPLE. I'VE MET WITH A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN EAST SEWARD. I'M HOPING TONIGHT THERE'S A LOT OF HEALTHY CONVERSATION BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, AS WELL AS OUR DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT CHIMING IN JUST SO WE HAVE EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE WITH SOME OF THE TERMINOLOGY THAT'S GOING ON. AND I KNOW THE CONSENSUS I'VE HEARD FROM SOME RESIDENTS THEY WANT DISCUSSION TONIGHT, BUT THEY NECESSARILY DON'T WANT ACTION TAKING FROM THE BOARD TONIGHT AS WELL. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER GOP. YES. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. NUMBER ONE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE I THINK THAT THERE WAS JUST A LITTLE SOMETHING LEFT OFF OF THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THAT WHEN WE SPOKE AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING, IT WAS STATED THAT EVERYONE WOULD HAVE FOUR MINUTES TO SPEAK, NOT THE NORMAL THREE. AND SINCE IT'S NOT NOTED THERE, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT AT THE LAST MEETING. EVERYONE HAS FOUR MINUTES TO SPEAK WHEN EVERYONE HAS SPOKEN. IF THERE'S TIME, YOU CAN THEN AGAIN SPEAK ANOTHER FOUR MINUTES. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE AGENDA THAT I'D BE ABLE TO MAKE A MOTION. SO CAN I MAKE THAT MOTION NOW? I CERTAINLY WHAT CAN I DO THERE? OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW COMMISSIONERS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC FOR THIS PARTICULAR MEETING. THE PUBLIC CAN DIRECT A QUESTION TO A PARTICULAR COMMISSIONER WHO WILL THEN RESPOND. THE COMMISSIONER'S RESPONSE WOULD NEED TO ADHERE TO THE SAME FOUR MINUTE, PUBLIC FOUR MINUTE RULE FOR THE PUBLIC, FOR WHAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO HEAR FOR THIS MEETING. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. THE ONE THING THAT'S VERY FRUSTRATING, AND I MYSELF HAVE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PODIUM, IS THAT YOU GET UP, YOU SPEAK YOUR MIND AND YOU YOU WANT TO HEAR SOME FEEDBACK. AND PREVIOUSLY AT OTHER MEETINGS WERE NOT REALLY ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK IF THIS MEETING IS SO IMPORTANT THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND WE ARE ABLE TO ANSWER THEM. SO, COMMISSIONER, BEFORE I LOOK FOR A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION, WE DID AGREE AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS. SO THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WE NEED A MOTION SINCE WE ALL AGREED TO THAT. I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH BECAUSE THIS IS A FORMAL MEETING. THIS IS NOT A WORKSHOP. I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND PUBLIC SPEAKERS BEING ALLOWED TO ADDRESS US INDIVIDUALLY. WE ALL SIT HERE TOGETHER. THERE'S A VERY GOOD REASON FOR THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED AT THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, THAT CAN QUICKLY GET OUT OF HAND AND IT BECOMES A NONPRODUCTIVE. SO IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION. BUT CERTAINLY WE ARE ALLOWED TO ASK ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OF THE PUBLIC SPEAKER AFTER THEY'RE DONE WITH THEIR REMARKS. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER, JUST CLARIFICATION OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT RESIDENTS WOULD BE ABLE TO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DIALOG WITH RESIDENTS. THIS IS THE NATURE OF YOUR MOTION. CORRECT. THE NATURE OF MY MOTION IS THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK US THE QUESTIONS, AND WE CAN ANSWER THEM, WHICH HAS NOT HAPPENED IN THE PAST. AND I THINK THAT THE AUDIENCE, THE PEOPLE HERE AND OTHERS WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. I WOULD SAY THAT. I WOULD SAY THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR REFERRING TO OUR ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY. JUST ONE COMMISSIONER TO ANSWER. I APPRECIATE OUR CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL, THEN YOU DIDN'T MAKE YOUR MOTION. SECONDED. THE SECOND MOTION ALREADY. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT MOTION? ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSIONERS? ROLL CALL PLEASE. MADAM, PLEASE. I DON'T HAVE MY MICROPHONE ON. I'M SORRY. OKAY. I THINK WE CAN HEAR YOU, MR. COLLINS. YES. COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES. I'M SORRY. MAYOR. YES, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER JOB. YES. COMMISSIONER REED? YES. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES YOUR REMARKS. IS THAT OKAY? [00:10:04] COMMISSIONER CLARK REMARKS THIS EVENING. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. I'M JUST SO GLAD THAT WE'RE ALL HERE TODAY AND THAT WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT OF THE ZONING AND ANYTHING THAT'S OF CONCERN TO PEOPLE WITH REGARD TO THAT SUBJECT. I'M JUST GLAD THAT WE'RE HAVING PARTICIPATION FROM OUR PUBLIC, AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO HEAR WHAT IS ON YOUR MIND. THANK YOU, MR. VICE MAYOR. YES, I WOULD ECHO THAT SAME SENTIMENT. I'M THANKFUL THAT EVERYONE IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT CITY HALL A LOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NEIGHBORHOOD? THIS IS A THIS IS A VERY CONTENTIOUS, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL. SET OF THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. NOT NECESSARILY. UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES THINGS GET POLITICIZED. AND IN MY OPINION, A NEIGHBORHOOD CAN BE USED AS A POLITICAL FOOTBALL. MY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT YOU GUYS CAN'T HEAR WHERE I'M COMING FROM. MY GOAL TONIGHT IS TO TRY TO BRING CLARITY TO WHAT WE'RE DOING, TO TRY TO DISCUSS EXACTLY WHAT THE ZONING IS TODAY IN EAST SEWARD AND THE CHANGES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO TRY TO ONE. WHY LIMIT THE TYPE OF USES? THAT UNDER CONDITIONAL USE. AND YOU'RE GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT MEANS. SO THERE'S SOME THINGS I'M SAYING THAT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS. AND TYPE UNDER CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS WOULD BE THE AVENUE BY WHICH DEVELOPMENT THAT IS MORE INTENSIVE THAN RESIDENTIAL TO HAVE ENEMIES TO IT. SECONDLY, IT WILL BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS HOW IS HE STEWARD ZONE. WHAT YOU WILL FIND OUT TONIGHT IS THAT SINCE 2004, THE STEWARD, ANY STEWART, WAS CHANGED FROM A PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO A MIXED USE REINFORCED STORY TYPE MANY CITY PLACE OR HAVE A CO-OP ZONE. MANY OF THE RESIDENTS WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN STEWART DO NOT REALIZE LIES. THEIR PARCEL IS ZONED FOR WHAT COULD BE COFFEE SHOP, SUSHI BAR, MINI BURGER JOINT, AND THEN ON THE SECOND AND THIRD STORIES OF THIS LARGE HIGH RISE APARTMENTS, 3 OR $4000 APARTMENTS. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT THEIR LITTLE SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THAT YOUR LOT COULD BE PIECED TOGETHER WITH SEVERAL OTHERS AND BUILD THAT CAR PARK ON BAHAMAS ON 10TH STREET. HALF TO THREE QUARTERS. AND YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT AT LEAST TWO OF THE ZONED FOR THAT AS OF TODAY. TONIGHT, RIGHT NOW, I APPRECIATE THE PETITION THAT HAS BEEN CIRCULATED AND I MYSELF WOULD SIGN IT TOO. NOBODY UP HERE WANTS TO DO ANYTHING THAT COULD BE PERCEIVED AS DISCRIMINATORY TOWARDS ANYBODY. AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT EVEN THOUGH WE DISAGREE WILDLY ON WHAT THE ACTION STEPS SUCCESS WOULD BE THE ACHIEVEMENT THAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DO WHAT WE THINK THE COMMUNITY BEST SERVES THE COMMUNITY AS A. POLITICAL AGENDA. BUT MY GOAL IS TONIGHT FOR EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO THE FACTS WHERE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SWIRLING, POTENTIALLY MISCOMMUNICATION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. AND ON YOUR OWN, DECIDE WHAT YOU THINK IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION FOR US. AND I AM POSITIVE THAT THIS GROUP OF FIVE WILL SEEK TO IMPLEMENT WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS US TO DO. OUR TWO PARTIES ONE. LIKE I SAID, THE TYPE OF USES THAT HAPPEN ON THESE PARCELS AND WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY THAT IS CAN IT BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? CAN IT BE A DUPLEX? CAN IT BE A BAR? MAYBE A HOTEL, IT'LL BE A RESTAURANT. WHAT CAN HAPPEN ON YOUR PASSES? AND YOU MAY NOT WANT TO HAVE A BAR NEXT TO YOUR CHURCH OR SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN A PREDOMINANTLY CHRISTIAN NEIGHBORHOOD. SO TONIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT KINDS OF MUSIC CAN ACTUALLY HAPPEN IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE WANT TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM YOU, WHETHER THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO DO. [00:15:02] AND SECONDARILY, ON EVEN INDIVIDUAL PARCELS ON THE MAP, HOW THEY ARE ZONED, WHICH IS WHAT OPENS THE DOOR TO WHAT YOU CAN BUILD. MY GENERAL STATEMENT TO EVERYONE WOULD BE USE USE ZONE OR PARCEL WHAT YOU INTEND FOR IT TO BECOME. SO IF THE GOAL IS FOR IT TO REMAIN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE DONE. SO THAT WAS ONE OF OUR OTHER MAIN NAME. BUT WITH THAT. I WILL FINISH MY ACCOUNT. THANK YOU, MR. VICE MAYOR. SO LET ME ASK HOW THE MEETINGS, WHAT THIS MEETING CONSIST OF. BECAUSE ON THE FACE OF IT, IT LOOKS VERY SIMPLE. BUT I'VE LEARNED NOW, AFTER TWO YEARS, THAT'S NEVER THE CASE. SO THERE'S TWO ELEMENTS WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT. ONE IS WHAT THE VICE MAYOR HAS JUST BEEN SPEAKING AT LENGTH ABOUT. AND THAT IS PROPOSED ZONING CHANGES. THAT'S ACTUALLY ITEM NUMBER TWO UNDER DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION. I CAN'T IMAGINE WE WILL BE MAKING A DECISION REGARDING THOSE ITEMS THIS EVENING. AND THAT IS WHY WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN TO YOU, TO LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS THAT YOU STEWARD. HOWEVER, THERE IS A THE FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IS ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE ZONING. IT'S THE LAST ELEMENT OF THE ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. TESTAMENT. SPECIFICALLY, WE PULLED AT THE LAST MEETING. THE COMMISSION PULLED A TABLE OUT, AND THE TABLE SAID, THESE ARE ALL THE ALLOWED USES AND E-STEWARDS AND ALL OF THEM ARE SUBJECT WILL BE SUBJECT TO CONDITIONAL USE. AND IT'S THAT UNIQUE RESTRICTION THAT IS IS THE REASON WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THAT BECAUSE NO OTHER. NOBODY ELSE IN THE CITY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THOSE SAME KIND OF RESTRICTIONS. OKAY. SO. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE TONIGHT. AND I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN MOST PEOPLE. SO I WAS HERE TWO WEEKS AGO BECAUSE I'VE BEEN VERY UPSET THAT WE ARE. ARE TREATING THIS COMMUNITY SO DIFFERENTLY THAN THE REST OF THE CITY. AND SO THEN YOU LOOK AROUND AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING. I MEAN, JACKIE ROBINSON'S NAME BEING PULLED OUT OF. THE NATIONAL CEMETERY. AND JUST YESTERDAY, LANDMARK ANTI-SEGREGATION LEGISLATION WAS OVERTURNED. BUT I DON'T. AND SO YOU START TO THINK ON THAT SCALE. BUT I WAS VERY LUCKY. I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND MY WIFE AND I AT THE N DOUBLE A CP GALA ON SATURDAY NIGHT. AND I WANT US TO ACCEPT THE SUGGESTION MADE BY MR. RICK CHRISTIE. AND MR. CHRISTIE IS AN OPINIONATED OPINION EDITOR FOR THE PALM BEACH POST, AND HE BORN AND RAISED HERE AND GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE. AND WHAT HE URGED US TO DO WAS MAKE A DECISION FOR OURSELVES. HE SPOKE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT MAKING SURE WE VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE AND THE CHANGES WE WANT TO SEE. BUT I UNDERSTOOD IT IN A BROADER CONTEXT. HE SAID, NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO CHOOSE, BUT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT AND THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE WHAT'S BEST FOR YOU. NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO EXERCISE THAT RIGHT, BUT YOU SURE AS HECK SHOULD NOT GIVE IT UP. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS TAKING AWAY FROM YOU. UNLIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHO LIVES IN THE CITY, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE YOU CAN LIVE ON, BUILD ON, OR SELL YOUR PROPERTY TO WHOM YOU CHOOSE. WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS SAYING IS THAT THE FIVE OF US UP HERE KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR YOU. AND THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT. BUT THE BIG ONE IS WE COME AND GO, RIGHT? WE COME AND GO. BUT YOU KNOW WHO'S GOING TO STAY HERE AND LIVE HERE? YOU ARE. THANK YOU. AND YOU'RE THE ONES WHO NEED TO HOLD ON TO THAT RIGHT TO MAKE THE DECISIONS GOING FORWARD FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO CAN I GET A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE [APPROVAL OF AGENDA] [00:20:05] AGENDA? SO MOVED. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE AGENDA? IF NOT, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. OR. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSE. OKAY. JUST THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, FOR BRINGING THAT UP. SO WE'RE GOING TO DEVIATE FROM THE NORMAL RULES THAT ARE IN FORCE, EXCEPT FOR THE ONE MENTIONED BY MR. SMITH. THANK YOU. IT'S DECORUM WILL APPLY HERE. AND UNLIKE THE MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO, YOU CAN'T START YELLING AT ME AND INSULTING ME OR ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. SO I JUST HAVE TO BE COURTEOUS. AND I WOULD ASK THAT THE COMMISSIONERS, WHEN THEY QUESTION THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS, THAT THEY NOT USE THEIR QUESTIONS TO DISCREDIT THEM OR EMBARRASS THEM, THAT OUR QUESTIONS ARE ALSO RESPECTFUL. AND WE'RE HERE. WE ARE HERE. WE ARE PRESENT TO HEAR FROM YOU. AND SO ONE THING I WOULD ASK, YOU'RE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO DO THIS. BUT IF YOU COULD JUST INDICATE WHETHER YOU GREW UP HERE AND OR STILL LIVE IN EACH STORY. WHEN YOU AGREE THAT THOSE ARE THE MOST PEOPLE TO HEAR FROM, PASTOR JAMES WAS TAKEN AWAY FOR SOME REASON. YES, SIR. MR. MAYOR, ARE THERE ANY MORE COPIES OF THE AGENDA? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. RIGHT HERE. I GOT IT. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. ALL RIGHT. SO HOW IS THE COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC GOING TO. I'M SORRY, MR. FLYNN, ARE YOU OKAY? NO. I'M OKAY. I'M SORRY. DO YOU WANT TO, MADAM CLERK? YOU'LL BE CALLING PEOPLE TO THE PODIUM. UP TO THE LECTERN. MADAM CLERK. CORRECT? YES, I CAN. THIS IS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST. OKAY. SO THIS IS. JUST FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS. I ACTUALLY. DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NO NO NO. OKAY. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE ARE GOING TO I AM JUST WE ARE MAKING THE ASSUMPTION UP HERE. YOU'RE ALL HERE TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEMS. OKAY. [COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (Non-Agenda Related) (3 Minutes Max.)] DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON A NON AGENDA RELATED ITEMS? SOMETHING OTHER THAN ANY. SOMETHING OTHER THAN THESE TWO ITEMS? YES. OKAY. INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE. THANK YOU, MR. MCHALE, FOR HAVING ME. I APPRECIATE IT, AND I'M SORRY. I HAD MY WATER MISTAKENLY TURN OFF, AND I ALSO HAVE TO GET TURNED BACK ON. I HAD TO PAY WHATEVER TURN OFF IN THE MONTHS AHEAD OF TIME. SO THAT'S WHAT I HAD TO GO. PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THAT. SO YOU HAVE PEOPLE HAVE TO STRUGGLE TO COME UP WITH THE EXTRA 2 OR $300 ADEQUATELY TO REVEALS, WHICH IS RIDICULOUS. I EXPECT TO PAY THAT FEE. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FAIR, BUT IT HELPS ME TO PAY A MONTH IN ADVANCE OF $100. OH, ALREADY? THEY WANT ME TO PAY ANOTHER $137, PLEASE, IN THE BUILDING TO EVEN DO THAT. JUST LIKE DEEP DOWN ON. I DON'T KNOW WHAT EASTWOOD OR EVERYBODY HAS TO GO THROUGH THAT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M SAYING, WHY IS THAT? WHY ARE YOU DUMPING THE REAL THE PEOPLE HAVE? THEY SAY, I DON'T MAKE THE MONEY, I DO, AND THEY HAVE A HARD TIME KEEPING IT OFF. THEN YOU'RE GOING TO ADD EMOTIONAL. YOU THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE. AND ANOTHER THING. THAT STILL, I GET A BILL EVERY MONTH FOR $107. I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW HOW IN THE WORLD IS DOING THIS THING, COME BACK OUT AND READ THE MEDIA AND GET THE TRUTH OF THINGS. BUT DON'T ASSUME PRORATE WHAT I'M USING. I AIN'T USING THAT. I WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT I'M USING SO I CAN. I DON'T WANT IT LIKE THAT. I GOT TO COME NEXT BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD IT. I CAN'T AFFORD OIL. I WANT GREEN GRASS, BUT I DON'T WANT IT. I CAN'T AFFORD IT, MAN. SAYING SO. Y'ALL NEED TO CHECK INTO THAT. WE ARE BEING CHARGED SO MUCH. TWO PEOPLE IN A HOUSE PAYING $100 AIN'T WASH IT EVERY DAY. [00:25:01] IT DON'T MAKE SENSE. IT DON'T CONFUSE ME. I'M SURE MR. MARTELL WILL SPEAK TO STAFF REGARDING THIS ISSUE. YEAH I HAVE. WE RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? I DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. WHAT MORE DO I NEED TO FILL THIS OUT? HELLO, EVERYONE. HELLO. MY NAME IS RUDY JAMESON. I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE IN STUART. BUT WHAT I HAVE IS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ZONING. THAT COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT, I FILLED IT OUT. I DID EVERYTHING THAT WAS ASKED OF ME. THEY TOLD ME TO FILL OUT EVERYTHING. THEY HAD TO GO TO THE BANK SEVEN TIMES. SEVEN TIMES THEY HAD ME GO TO THE BANK. AND FINALLY THE BANK MANAGER TOLD ME THEY DO NOT WANT TO HELP YOU. THAT'S WHAT THE BANK MANAGER SAID ABOUT THE COMMUNITY HELPING ME REPAIR MY HOME. I WENT AND I SPOKE WITH MISS JULIE DOWNTOWN. I SAID, MISS JULIE, I'VE DONE EVERYTHING YOU GUYS HAVE THAT I SAID, YOU KNOW, I'M DISABLED. I'M A DISABLED VET. I SAID, I'VE DONE EVERYTHING. I CROSS ALL THE T'S. I DOTTED ALL THE I'S. I SAID, IF YOU SEND ME TO THE BANK SEVEN TIMES FOR THE SAME THING, NOTHING HAS CHANGED. I SAID, I WISH I HAD THE MONEY THAT YOU GUYS THINK I HAVE AND I WOULD NOT BE HERE. I SAID, BUT WHAT I WILL NOT DO IS BEG YOU TO HELP ME. SO I ASKED THEM TO GIVE ME ALL OF MY PAPERWORK THAT THEY HAVE ON ME AND MY FAMILY. THEY'VE HAD IT FOR EIGHT MONTHS, AND I GOT ALL OF MY PAPERWORK BACK, AND I'M GOING TO GO AND SPEAK WITH ONE OF MY COUNSELORS THAT ARE THE VA COUNSELOR, AND I'M GOING TO SEE IF THE VA CAN HELP ME, BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT APPARENTLY IS NOT FOR ME. THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE GOT HELP, BUT THEY FOR SOME REASON, I'M NOT GETTING HELP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. WE HAVE A CARD FOR HIM, RIGHT? I DON'T HAVE ANY FRIENDS COMING FROM. ANYBODY ELSE? MADAM CLERK. OKAY. YES. SO, MR. BHAGAT, WILL YOU PLEASE READ ITEM ONE FOR [1. ZONING IN PROGRESS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENTS IMPLEMENTATION (LEGISLATIVE) (RC): ORDINANCE No. 2539-2025; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AMENDING AND RESTATING THE CITY’S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER II ZONING DISTRICTS USES ALLOWED, DENSITY, INTENSITY, CHAPTER III SPECIAL ZONING CODES, CHAPTER V RESOURCE PROTECTION RELATED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND CHAPTER VI ON-SITE AND OFF-SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WHICH WERE DETERMINED DURING THE "ZONING IN PROGRESS" UNDER SECTION 1.04.04, STUART LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE; PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.] CONSIDERATION? YES. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2539 DASH 2025, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA. AMENDING AND RESTATING THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. CHAPTER TWO ZONING DISTRICTS. DISTRICTS. USE ALLOWED. DENSITY, INTENSITY. CHAPTER THREE SPECIAL ZONING CODES. CHAPTER FIVE THREE, SIX PROTECTION RELATED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND CHAPTER SIX ON SITE AND OFF SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHICH WERE DETERMINED DURING THE ZONING IN PROGRESS UNDER SECTION 1.204.042 OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR INSPECTION, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. AND JUST TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT YOU, AT THE LAST MEETING, ADOPTED ALL OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE TEXT, EXCEPT FOR SECTION 3.0, 2.03 AND SEWER NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIAL CODE. AND IT'S ALSO THE FIGURE WHICH STANDS FOR SEWER NEIGHBORHOOD OH EIGHT, WHICH WAS THE TABLE, AND THAT WAS THE SECTION THAT YOU GUYS HAD NOT VOTED AND CONTINUED TO HAVE MORE FURTHER CONVERSATION AND TO VOTE ON THAT TODAY. SO JUST TO CLARIFY AGAIN, SO WHO HERE IS GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION TO BEGIN THIS ITEM? AND SHE'S GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT BOTH WITH THE VICE MAYOR REFERENCE. AND WHAT'S THE CONCERN FOR THIS FOR ITEM ONE. SO JUST TO HELP YOU KEEP IT CLEAR, REALLY, THE RELEVANT PARTS OF THE DISCUSSION RELATIVE TO ITEM ONE ARE MORE TOWARDS THE END OF THIS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH ALL THE ZONING. THIS IS A LENGTHY PRESENTATION BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY A VERY INTERESTING HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT'S BEEN DONE IN AND FOR THESE SCHOOLS. SO GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DEBBIE KRUGER. I AM YOUR DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF STUART. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY. SO I'M JUST GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. A LOT OF THESE SLIDES YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN AT PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS. DURING THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL FROM 2002 TO 2021 2022, WHICH IS THE ADOPTION OF THE FORM BASED CODE. [00:30:04] BUT THERE WAS SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION PRIOR TO THAT IN 1993, WHEN IT WAS TRYING TO GO FOR A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM TO LOOK FOR STABILIZATION FOR THE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMICS AND LOOKING AT REVITALIZATION. SO I'M GOING TO JUST WALK THROUGH THE HISTORY OF HOW I WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN. SO YOUR FIRST SLIDE IS THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN 1956. THE CIRCLE OF BLUE. THIS IS A MAP. THAT WAS A ZONING MAP THAT WAS DONE IN 1978. AND IN THERE YOU WILL SEE THE. THE CORNER. SO IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS A LOT OF THAT VERY 1978 THAT WAS R3. THREE. MOST OF THE PROPERTIES FOR R3 AND THE P IS FOR PUBLIC, AND THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF B1 ZONING IN THIS AREA, SO THAT MADE UP FOR AT LEAST STUART BACK IN 1978. MOVING FORWARD IN 1993 WAS THE FIRST PLAN DONE TO CREATE A A ESSER PLAN TO TALK ABOUT. IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN FOR THE CDBG GRANT ALONG WITH WITH YOUR COMMITTEE. THAT GAVE INVOLVED THE EAST STUART AREA. THIS IS ALSO THROUGH A WITH THE I'M SORRY, ACRONYMS N DOUBLE ACP HERE. SO AND THIS WAS REALLY TO TALK ABOUT THE JOURNEY TO UPGRADE SOCIAL ECONOMICS, THIS JOURNEY TO UPGRADE THE VITAL STATUS, THE VITALITY OF THE RESIDENTS AND MAKE IT MORE DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE AND RAISE A FAMILY ONCE AGAIN. THIS WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY OF STUART CITY COMMISSION AT THAT TIME ON JUNE 7TH, 1993. THIS STARTED THE PLAN TO START MOVING FORWARD TO LOOK AT THE DISTRICTS AND THE DIFFERENT AREAS IN STUART, TO FIND OUT WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR COMMERCIAL OR SINGLE FAMILY OR MIXED TYPE OF USE. THIS AGAIN, IN 2002, THERE WAS A PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT EXPANSION PLAN THAT WAS PREPARED. THIS WAS ADOPTED AT THAT TIME. TERRY O'NEILL WAS OUR CONSULTANT. YOU PROBABLY HEARD HIS NAME MANY TIMES. HE WAS A CONSULTANT. HE WAS A DEVELOPMENT DRIVER FOR THE CITY OF STUART. AND THAT TOO, WAS TO TO BRING UP A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AND A MASTER PLAN. THIS WAS THE PROPOSED AREA THAT THEY WERE GOING TO EXPAND THE SANTA CHIARA, AND THIS IS EASTER AT THAT TIME IN 2001. AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY WERE LOOKING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES. AND THIS IS WHEN SOME OF THESE AREAS CHANGED FROM MIXED USE OR SINGLE OR ACTUALLY R-3 TO SINGLE FAMILY TO DUPLEXES, A BUSINESS DISTRICT. AS YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THIS AREA. SO THIS IS IN 2001. AGAIN, ANOTHER PLAN WAS DONE IN 2002 WHICH ADOPTED THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND THEN WE CAME. THEN WE COME TO THE 2002 CHARRETTE THAT WAS DONE IN, AND THAT WAS DONE BY THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL COUNCIL. THIS REPORT, THERE WAS A SECTION IN THIS REPORT THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE EASTERN CHARRETTE AREA. A LOT OF PEOPLE ATTENDED. THEY TALKED ABOUT THEY DID A SEVEN DAY WORKSHOP. THEY TALKED ABOUT THE IDEAS THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE. THE REPORT'S VERY LENGTHY. SO FROM THERE, WE TOOK THIS REPORT, AND THIS IS SOME OF THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. ANY STEWART, AS YOU CAN SEE, CHILDREN ARE ALWAYS THE BEST PLANNERS. IF YOU GO TO SCHOOL, THEY'LL TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT. THEY HAVE A BETTER VISUALIZATION THAN US ADULTS SOMETIMES. AND NOW THIS BRINGS US TO THE 2022. THIS IS THE FORM BASED CODE THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY MORE FAMILIAR WITH, THAT YOU PROBABLY ATTENDED A LOT OF THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT STARTED OFF IN JUNE 21ST OF 2022. FROM THERE, THEY HAD PEOPLE SIT AT THE TABLES. THEY HAD THEM LABELED AND EACH GROUP LABELED SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE IN A MASTER PLAN UPDATE. THIS WAS THE TIMELINE. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE STARTED THE KICKOFF STARTED IN 2021. INTERVIEWS IS BY THE EASTERN RESIDENTS WERE CONDUCTED IN 2021 AND NOVEMBER. THERE IS AN EASTWARD VISION UPDATE. THERE WAS A WALKING TOUR. [00:35:01] THEY HAD MANY WORKSHOPS AND PRESENTATIONS AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY. A LOT OF STUDENT RESIDENTS DID ATTEND THOSE TOURS, AND THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF MEETINGS. AND YOU CAN SEE WE HAD A LENGTHY PROCESS FROM 2021 ALL THE WAY TO 2023, 2023. IT SAYS ADOPTION WAS DONE IN NOVEMBER OF OF NOVEMBER 14TH AND NOVEMBER 28TH OF 2022. 2022 ACTUALLY WAS NOT ADOPTED IN FEBRUARY OF 2023 BECAUSE WE WERE IN A ZONING IN PROGRESS AT THAT TIME. DURING THAT FORM BASED CODE. THESE ARE ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MEETINGS THAT WERE CONDUCTED. AS YOU CAN SEE WE HAD A LOT OF WE HAD THEY HELD OVER 3500 POSTCARDS AND FLIERS FOR STORE OWNERS. THEY DID A COMMUNITY WALKTHROUGH AND THEY HAD THEIR OWN WEBSITE. COULD YOU JUST MENTION THAT SECOND? INTERVIEW IN THE MORNING? THEY DID INTERVIEW AND ENGAGED WITH MORE THAN 110 RESIDENTS. AND THESE WERE PROPERTY OWNERS STAKEHOLDERS, COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD MEMBERS AND CITY COMMISSIONERS. THESE ARE JUST SHOWING THE DIFFERENT, AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME OF THESE SLIDES, BECAUSE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL COUNCIL DID GIVE THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE. AND INSTEAD OF RECREATING THE WHEEL, I JUST SOLD THE PRESENTATION. SO THIS IS SOME OF THE CODE UPDATE. THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS. AGAIN, THIS WAS JUNE 21ST OVER 30 PARTICIPANTS. THIS WAS THE EASTER UPDATE BIG WORKSHOP THAT WAS DONE IN JANUARY OF 2022, AND THERE WAS OVER 30 PARTICIPANTS AT THAT TIME. THIS IS THE WALKING TOUR THAT WAS DONE ON JANUARY 22ND OF 2022. AND THERE WERE OVER 30 PARTICIPANTS, AND THIS WAS THROUGHOUT THE EASTERN AREA. AND THIS IS JUST SOME PICTURES FROM THE WALKING TOUR. THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD WORKSHOP THAT HAPPENED ON MARCH 7TH THAT ATTENDED 20 PARTICIPANTS. NOW WE GO TO THE EXISTING ZONING MAP. SO THIS MAP WAS WAS APPROVED AROUND 2000 2020, 2004. AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR DARK GREEN IS YOUR PUBLIC. AND I THINK THREE OF THE DISTRICTS THAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE THE EASTERN GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OFFICE, MIXED USE AND SINGLE FAMILY GIVE US YOUR SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEXES IN A YELLOW COLOR FORMAT. YOUR BUSINESS MIXED USE IS LIKE A PURPLE MAJESTIC COLOR. AND THE OTHER, THE LIGHTER GREEN, IS YOUR YOUR OFFICE GENERAL OFFICE DISTRICT, WHICH IS REFERRED TO AS ROW. THIS WAS DONE. THIS IS THE ZONING MAP THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2004 AGAIN AFTER THE CHARRETTES AND THE CODE. THIS IS WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH. AND I CAN TELL YOU THERE WAS ONLY A FEW CHANGES. SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF LOOK BACK. AND I WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY AND THIS WAS HIS OFFICE. I MEAN, THIS IS MULTIFAMILY. I'M SORRY. RESIDENTIAL OFFICE. GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OFFICE. IF YOU NOTICE, THIS WAS CHANGED BACK TO SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEXES. SO THIS IS NO LONGER A COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. THIS RIGHT HERE BECAME A LITTLE BIT MORE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX AREA. AND THIS PARTICULAR AREA CHANGED RIGHT HERE TO A MIXED USE PROPERTY. THOSE WERE THE ONLY CHANGES THAT WAS DONE IN 2023 WHEN WE PASSED THE FORM BASED CODE. SO. THIS RIGHT HERE JUST KIND OF GOES INTO THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS WHERE YOUR BUSINESS MIXED USE, YOUR GENERAL OFFICE AND YOUR SINGLE FAMILY JUST KIND OF BREAKS OUT BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IS WHAT DOES THIS DO? OR DO WE WANT TO TURN BACK SOME OF THOSE, THOSE COMMERCIAL AREAS BACK INTO A RESIDENTIAL OR KEEP IT AS A COMMERCIAL? SO THIS IS YOUR BUSINESS MIXED USE. THIS WAS EXISTING IN 2006 AND AFTER THE DEFORMATION CODE WAS ADOPTED, YOU CAN SEE THIS CHANGE HAPPENED AND THIS CHANGE HAPPENED. AND THIS IS YOUR EAST STUART JERROLD RESIDENTIAL OFFICE, WHICH IS THIRD ROW. [00:40:03] THIS WAS IN 2006. AND THEN THIS IS 2020. THIS IS 2023. AS YOU CAN SEE THIS AREA WAS INCORPORATED AS THE GENERAL OFFICE. GOING BACK AND FORTH. THAT'S WHY THE SALVATION ARMY. JODY, I'M SURE IT'S IN YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT JUST DO YOU MIND GIVING AT LEAST SOME CONTEXT FOR WHAT CAN BE BUILT? I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOUR USES, BUT THE NUMBER OF STORIES THAT CAN BE BY RIGHT. AND THEN SOME. I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO START. HERE. I DID NOT ASK YOU FOR YOUR HEIGHT. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN YOUR TWO STORY, YOUR TWO STORY OR 35FT, YOU'LL HAVE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER TYPE OF USE. SO IF YOU WANT TO GO UP TO THAT 45 FOOT OR HAVE THAT FOUR STORY, YOU WILL STILL HAVE TO GO TO A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS TODAY. ALL RIGHT. SO FOR CLARIFICATION THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING. SO DO YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THE GREEN. ABSOLUTELY. MAYBE THE ENTIRE CHART WHERE IT SHOWS THE MAP. OH OKAY. YOU WANT TO SEE THE PROPOSED OR DO YOU JUST THE WHOLE EXISTING CURRENT. THIS IS ADOPTED TODAY. SO BMA IS A PURPLE BUSINESS. MIXED USE CAN BE THREE STORY BY RIGHT. AND THAT'S A TERM LIKE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN BY RIGHT. WHAT IS THAT. RIGHT. THAT MEANS WEEKS WITHOUT ANY NOTIFICATION TO THE COMMUNITY, WITHOUT A PUBLIC MEETING WHERE YOU CAN HAVE INPUT. IS THAT PURPLE? THAT PURPLE? ANYTHING THAT IS PURPLE THERE CAN BE BUILT TO THREE STORIES IN 40FT WITHOUT ANYBODY'S INPUT OR EVEN NOTIFICATION. CAN YOU TELL US WHERE THAT IS? YOU SEE THAT MAGENTA. AND THEN ON MLK SO IS 40. AND THEN YOU CAN GO TO 45FT OF FOUR STORIES WITH COMMISSION ACTION. SO, COMMISSIONER COLLINS, YOU ARE CORRECT THAT THERE IS SOME OF THOSE USES THAT IF YOU WANT THOSE HEIGHT, YOU STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE TODAY. CORRECT. SO SO I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. I DON'T HAVE THE EXAMPLE IN FRONT OF ME, SO I DO APOLOGIZE. BUT OTHER THAN WHAT SMART CONDITIONAL USE IN OUR CHART BY RIGHT. AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS CORRECT. RIGHT. RIGHT RIGHT. BUT THERE IS ONE THAT ALREADY HAS A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS. AND THAT WOULD BE TO ALLOW THOSE ADDITIONAL PIPE OR EVEN THAT TYPE OF USE. SO YEAH. SO IF YOU HAVE AND MAINLY IT IS PROBABLY MORE WHENEVER YOU GET INTO LIKE THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, IF YOU WANTED TO BUILD A HOTEL IN THIS AREA, I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MY CORNER. SO I'M HOPING EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT. SO THAT'S ON TARPON. YES. SO SAY YOU WANTED TO BUILD A HOTEL HERE. THAT WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE. WE DON'T GET IT BY RIGHT, BECAUSE IT IS A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS. SO YOU HAVE TO GO. YOU HAVE TO GO APPLICATION THROUGH THE CITY TO OUR DEPARTMENT. YOU WOULD NEED THAT. YOU WOULD GO THROUGH THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS AND YOU CAN HAVE THE APPROVAL FROM THE CITY COMMISSION. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL WE COULD DO, YOU KNOW. ME AND YOU IS NOT CONDITIONAL USE HERE. YOU COULD YOU COULD DO APARTMENTS, YOU COULD GO TO HOTELS, YOU COULD DO MIXED USE. SO YOU COULD YOU COULD DO THREE STORIES UP TO 40FT. CORRECT. AND NOW THEY'RE 40FT. SO THE GREEN WOULD BE A GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OFFICE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT IS THAT? WHAT DOES THAT GREEN COLOR. THAT GREEN COLOR IS ON CARBON AND BAHAMA FEET. DEEP DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ON ON THE STREETS ON 10TH STREET. SO THE STREETS NAMED SO PEOPLE CAN KNOW THEIR NAMES. SO ON 10TH STREET, RIGHT ON BAHAMA ON TARPON. RIGHT. YOU GOT EVEN GREEN ON. WHAT'S THAT? BAYOU. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. ANYTHING THAT IS GREEN ALL OVER HERE CAN BE THREE STORIES AND FIVE FEET WIDE. GREEN, LIGHT GREEN COLOR. THIS IS LIKE PUBLIC PARK RIGHT THERE FOR YOU. DO YOU WANT ME OVER THERE? THAT'S FINE. SO. ANY ANY OF THAT LIGHT GREEN COLOR THAT IS G R O GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OFFICE. THAT'S A COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION, NOT RESIDENTIAL. IT'D BE 35FT, THREE STORIES, WITHOUT ANYBODY'S PERMISSION, WITHOUT ANYBODY'S EVEN NOTIFICATION. BUT THE DEVELOPER COULD COME IN AND DO THAT, AND THEY WOULD ONLY NEED THE COMMISSION TO GET INVOLVED WHEN THEY GO TO FOUR STORIES AND OR FOUR YEARS. JUST A QUICK THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. [00:45:03] THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. CORRECT. IS 35 TO 40 TO 45. COMMISSIONER? YES. ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION? I JUST WANTED TO CHECK IN REAL QUICK. ONE OF THE THINGS THE BOARD TO ASK ME TO DO IS TO SHOW YOU WHAT A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO THIS IS A FLOW CHART SHOWING ALL THE STEPS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE. SO COULD YOU JUST GO THROUGH IT? OKAY. SO STEP NUMBER ONE IS A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. AND THESE STEPS CAN BE MODIFIED BY THE BOARD IF THEY LIKE TO MODIFY THESE TESTS. FOR THESE ANY TYPE OF IF THEY WANTED TO DO TO CHANGE THESE FOR CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS. STEP ONE IS A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING. IT STARTS WEDNESDAY. SUBMIT THE APPLICATION. THERE'S A STEP TWO. THE CITY THE DEVELOPER HAS TO COMPLETE, OR THEY MOVE FORWARD. AND IF IT'S INCOMPLETE, IT GOES BACK UP TO STEP TWO, WHERE THEY HAVE TO REVIEW IT AND GET A COMPLETE REVIEW. IF THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETE, WE GO TO WHAT'S THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH WE START PREPARING THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THE DIFFERENT BOARDS. ONCE THAT DONE, WE'LL GET SCHEDULED FOR THE CRV BOARD. AND THEN FROM THERE YOU WOULD GO THROUGH ALL YOUR NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN YOU'D BE SCHEDULED FOR THE CITY COMMISSION WHO ULTIMATELY MAKES THE DECISION. AND THEN FROM THERE, ANY CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WILL BE ADDRESSED AT THE COMMISSION MEETING, AND THEN THE ORDER GETS RECORDED. CAN YOU SAY HOW HOW LONG THAT PROCESS MAY TAKE? TWO MONTHS. THREE MONTHS. TO BE FAIR, THAT PROCESS IS ABOUT A THREE MONTH PROCESS. AND YOU NEED TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY AND OR A PLANNER OR WHOEVER. SO LIKE WE TELL OUR APPLICANTS, THAT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. WE CAN'T WE CANNOT WE CANNOT ADVISE THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY. SO FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION, THIS PROCESS IS OUTLINED IN THIS FLOWCHART IS A CONDITIONAL USE THIS PROCESS, AND THIS IS THE ALTERNATIVE TO A DEVELOPER BEING ABLE TO BUILD BY. RIGHT. SO WHEN I MENTIONED THE COMMUNITY EVEN BEING NOTIFIED, HAVING A PUBLIC MEETING WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN GET INPUT AND SAY THAT DOES NOT BELONG, PLEASE VOTE NO. THE WAY TO TRIGGER A PUBLIC MEETING IN THAT PROCESS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS. SO ONE OF THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING ALONG WITH THE ZONING MAP, IS FOR MORE INTENSIVE USES, LIKE OUR PRESCRIBED MIXED USE HOTELS, YOU KNOW, THREE AND FOUR STORY APARTMENT FOR THESE LARGER TYPE OF USE, BEYOND THE TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL USE THAT'S IN THERE. A DEVELOPER, RIGHT. THEY WANT TO STITCH TOGETHER 2 OR 3 PARCELS AND BUILD THAT MIXED USE. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS SO THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN BE NOTIFIED, AND THEN THAT THEY CAN RECEIVE INPUT. GOOD. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH. GO AHEAD. HAVE YOU COMPLETED YOUR PRESENTATION? THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT THE CODE THAT WAS ADOPTED FOR EASTER 2023 WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS, THERE IS A DIFFERENT THERE IS DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES. SO WHEN YOU START GETTING CLOSER TO THOSE RESIDENTIALS, YOU DO HAVE THE STEP BACK LIKE A WEDDING CAKE OR A TEAR, YOU KNOW, TEAR IT BACK. SO YOU'RE NOT JUST RIGHT OVER YOUR SINGLE FAMILY OR YOUR DUPLEXES. SO THERE IS CERTAIN DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE TYPES OF USES THAT WERE BUILT INTO THIS FORM BASED CODE. THAT IS MORE TO THE CODE AND SHOW ILLUSTRATIONS OF THE CODE BLESSED WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE ADOPTED IN THE FORM BASED CODE. SO THERE ARE SOME ESTHETIC AND SOME THINGS THAT SOME DEVELOPERS DON'T. PUT THOSE FOUR STORY BUILDINGS RIGHT ON TOP OF YOUR COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE DO YOU HAVE THE MENU OF SOME OF THOSE EXAMPLES? I DON'T HAVE THEM IN MY PRESENTATION, BUT THEY ARE IN YOUR PACKET. OKAY. THAT WAS ON THE FIRST ITEM. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, BARS ARE VERY SENSITIVE. BARS ARE ALWAYS A CONDITIONAL USE SPECIFICALLY WHEN THEY'RE NEXT TO A CHURCH. YOU HAVE A DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS AND AIR CONDITIONING USE. SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT A BAR IN THE GROVE DISTRICT OR CMU, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A COMMISSION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED TODAY. [00:50:03] SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE SOME OF THOSE USES THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT IN HERE. I THINK COMMISSIONER COLLINS'S CONCERN WAS IF YOU WANT TO PUT A RESTAURANT AND THEY GIVE YOU THOSE ARE THOSE ARE PERMITTED BY. RIGHT. SO THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL OF THE COMMISSION HAS CONCERNS ABOUT. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY LOOKED AT THIS CHART AND TRYING TO SEE WHAT THE ISSUERS WOULD WANT. DO THEY WANT A RESTAURANT RIGHT NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, OR DO THEY WANT A RESTAURANT NEXT TO A DUPLEX? SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING. SO JUST A QUESTION. MR.. OKAY. ON THE THING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THIS ZONING IN PROGRESS IS THE CHART IN SECTION 3.02.03 ON THE PERMITTED USES. THE SNOW. DO YOU HAVE THAT CHART THAT YOU CAN PUT ON THE BOARD THAT SHOWS PEOPLE WHAT THE ACTUAL USES ARE NOW THAT THEY CAN DO? AND IF EVERYTHING GOES CONDITIONAL, WHAT IT IS? DO YOU HAVE THAT CHART? I CAN CERTIFY THAT. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE VOTING ON AT THE END OF THE DAY, WITH REGARD TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS OF A MAIN DIFFERENCE IN IT HAPPENING ADMINISTRATIVELY. RIGHT? A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT COMES IN AND STAFF AND EVERYBODY LOVES YOU, JODY. AND THEY TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT, RIGHT. BUT WHAT HAPPENS ADMINISTRATIVELY BY RIGHT INTERNALLY WITHIN THE CITY TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS? THE COMMUNITY WILL NOT BE MADE AWARE IF IT IS BY RIGHT VERSUS A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS. BY ITS VERY NATURE, TRIGGERS A PUBLIC MEETING. YOU WILL SEE THE SIGNS GO UP. EVERYBODY WILL KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, AND WE CAN RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BY RIGHT AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE VERSUS CONDITIONAL USE. THE TWO IF I WANTED TO OUR TWO POSITIONS HERE. SO THERE'S A FACTION ON OUR BOARD THAT FEELS LIKE THAT IS TOO, TOO LABORIOUS, THAT IS SOMEHOW TAKING AWAY FROM THE RIGHTS OF PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE TO GO IF THEY SOLD THEIR PROPERTY. THEY MIGHT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WHICH WOULD NOTIFY THE PUBLIC THAT THAT'S TOO MUCH. THE OTHER SIDE IS SAYING, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PROTECTION IS THERE, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT THE CREEK DISTRICT. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO START CHANGING THAT, THEN IT SHOULD BE WITH THE COMMUNITY THERE AND INFORMED AND ABLE TO GIVE YOU FEEDBACK ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT PARTICULAR USE IS APPROPRIATE. COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M LISTENING. I, I WILL SAY THERE ARE OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY OF STEWART THAT DO REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL TELL YOU NOT TO SEE STUART. BY THE WAY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CHART. I THINK THE BIGGEST DISCUSSION, LIKE I'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS AND BOARD MEMBERS, IS TRYING TO DETERMINE WHERE YOU WANT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WHERE YOU WANT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THE HEIGHT. DO YOU WANT IT BY RIGHTS OR NOT? BY RIGHT. OR ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL? I WOULD SAY THOSE ARE THE BIG THINGS TO TO THINK ABOUT IF YOU ARE A RESIDENT IN THE CITY. I KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO FORM BASED CODE, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING. I UNDERSTAND FORM BASED CODE IS MEANT TO MAKE REDEVELOPMENT EASIER, TO HAVE FLOW CHARTS, TO HAVE PICTURES. SO, YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR DEVELOPMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT VERBIAGE AND TEXT. SO THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW YOU HAVE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR ANYONE THAT MIGHT NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FORM BASED CODE AND REGULAR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THAT WAS THE PURPOSE. I KNOW WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE CITY OF STUART TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING SAID IT'S NOT THAT UNUSUAL TO HAVE A RESTAURANT NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOUSE. I DISAGREE, I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU LIVE. I PERSONALLY LIVE IN A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD. I LIVE OFF OF COLORADO, NEXT TO THE ROASTED RECORD. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A MIXED USE. SO I KNEW THAT WHEN I BOUGHT INTO IT. IF WE LOOKED AT A NEIGHBORHOOD OFF EAST OCEAN TO OFTEN DRIVE ALL THOSE STREETS, THAT'S A PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IF WE WENT OVER THERE AND PROPOSED CHANGES FOR ALL THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND MIXED USE, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK MOST PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD TELL US TO GET OUT OF THERE. [00:55:01] SO WHEN YOU BUY YOUR PROPERTY, YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S ZONED FOR. I UNDERSTAND THE INTENTION BEHIND THE FORM BASED CODE AND THE SHREDS. AND I'LL SPEAK ON BEHALF OF TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING. THE REASON THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY STARTED AND IMPLEMENTED, THEY WERE LOOKING AT EAST STUART AND WONDERING WHY THERE WASN'T DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING OR REDEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S WHERE THE PROCESS CAME FROM. IT MIGHT HAVE GONE A LITTLE TOO FAR. AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE REALIZE THAT AND THIS OBVIOUSLY WAS BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD, AND WE WERE GOING THROUGH OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHEN WE DID THE ZONING IN PROGRESS TO TARGET MULTI COMMUNITY WITH COMMERCIAL PROPONENTS. THAT WAS DONE WHEN I WON MY ELECTION. BUT HOPEFULLY TONIGHT WE CAN HAVE A LOT OF CLARIFICATION ON WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT. SO THEY'RE NOT SWEEPING CHANGES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW, THOUGH. HOW ARE WE DOING? WE'RE WORKING ON IT. I'M HERE. I'M LOOKING FOR QUESTIONS, AND I CAN'T CHIME IN. I ACTUALLY MY FAMILY AND I, WE OWN PROPERTY ON MARTIN LUTHER KING. IT'S ACTUALLY ON CORTEZ AND MARTIN LUTHER KING. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MY RIGHT, LIKE VICE MAYOR COLLINS SAID I HAD TO DO A CONDITIONAL USAGE FOR A PRESCHOOL BY RIGHT HOW IT IS NOW, IT WOULDN'T HAVE TRIGGERED A BOARD REVIEW. WE COULD HAVE GONE HIGHER, MORE INTENSE. I'M LOOKING AT THE GROW NOW. WE COULD HAVE BUILT A RESTAURANT ON THE CORNER OF CORTEZ AND MARTIN LUTHER KING. IT'S A ONE ACRE PARCEL. SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A LARGE RESTAURANT RIGHT ON MARTIN LUTHER KING BY RIGHT. THAT'S HOW THE CODE IS RIGHT NOW. WE COULD DO A RESTAURANT THERE. LIKE I SAID, THE BIGGEST THING TO THINK ABOUT IS IF IT'S BY RIGHT, CONDITIONAL USAGE WHERE YOU WANT BUSINESSES TO BE DEVELOPED IN EAST SEWARD, WHERE YOU WANT SINGLE FAMILY TO BE DEVELOPED. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE IT? DO YOU THINK THIS IS A CHANGE? THIS IS A FAMILIAR GRAPH. SORRY. SO THIS WAS THE ONE THAT WAS PRESENTED IN FEBRUARY 2024. ANYTHING THAT SAYS A HAS NOW BEEN CHANGED TO A CONDITIONAL USE. THANK YOU, MR. CLARK, FOR US TO TAKE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. NO, I JUST I WAS WONDERING, WELL, SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE THE MOST UPDATED ONE, THE ONLY THING DIFFERENT IS THE A WAS CHANGED TO THE Q, RIGHT? RIGHT. ANYTHING THAT HAS WHERE IT'S NOT IN RED, IT SAYS TO YOU THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED. SO IT HAS TO BE DONE FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED DURING THE FORM BASED CODE. SO THE MAIN ISSUE THAT I SEE WITH MR. COMMISSIONER, THE MAIN ISSUE, THE MAIN ISSUE IS THAT EVERY SINGLE USE APPARENTLY CAN BE DONE IN E-STEWARDS. EVERYTHING IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL, DUPLEX, MULTIFAMILY, OR ANY TYPE OF MIXED USE DAYCARE CENTERS, BED AND BREAKFAST, EVERYTHING CAN BE DONE. THAT'S THE PROPOSAL. NOW EVERYTHING CAN BE DONE, BUT YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS AND BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION. SO NO DEVELOPMENT UNLESS YOU DO IT UNDER THE CONDITIONAL USE. THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT ARE THAT ARE, THAT ARE PUT OUT THE GROUP HOMES IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS AND THE HOME OCCUPATIONS IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS. THOSE BLACK CHECK MARKS ARE STILL BY RIGHT, AND NOT WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF JODI? YES. BEFORE WE HAVE A MOTION. SO FOR CLARIFICATION, AS OF RIGHT NOW. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO. DO YOU HAVE THE CHART AS IT EXISTS AT THIS MOMENT? NOT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD TO UPDATE THIS. WHAT IS ALLOWABLE WITHOUT ANYBODY BEING NOTIFIED? RIGHT. MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS. MIXED USE. HOTELS. MOTELS. ROOM. BOARDING HOUSES. BED AND BREAKFASTS. FUNERAL HOMES. LIBRARY. MUSEUMS. ALS. ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES. ART GALLERIES AND SHOPS. BANKS. BARBER SHOPS. BARS. AS CATERING SHOP, CLUBS AND BARS HERE. YOU ARE CORRECT THAT ONE IS CURRENTLY IN OPERATIONAL USE, [01:00:08] BUT CLUBS, LODGES, FRATERNAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT IS ALSO CURRENTLY UNDER CONDITIONAL USE. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE I JUST RATTLED OFF YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW WITHOUT ANYBODY'S NOTIFICATION. YES, SIR. WE'LL DO PUBLIC COMMENT. MASSAGE THERAPY. LET'S SEE HERE. OFFICE. BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL. MEDICAL AND VETERINARY. SO ANY KIND OF MEDICAL OFFICES COULD HAPPEN TODAY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT ANYBODY'S NOTIFICATION. RESTAURANTS? CONVENIENCE, GENERAL DRIVE THROUGH RETAIL AND SALES. SO COMMERCIAL? COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY. STUDIOS. ART. DANCE. MUSIC. EXERCISE? YES. I THINK IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION SO PEOPLE CAN KNOW WHAT GOES IN THERE. WHEN WE GET THE MOTION OF THE SEGMENT OF THE DISCUSSION WILL BECOME MORE GENERAL AND MORE BROAD. NEXT QUESTION I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. THE FIRST QUESTION IS MOMENTARILY. WE ALSO NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH OUR BUILDING. AND SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO, EVERYTHING I JUST READ CAN BE BUILT TODAY. TODAY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD THESE MORE INTENSIVE THAN RESIDENTIAL USES, YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON. THAT'S THE CHANGE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON VOTING ON OR CLARIFICATION. MR.. MR.. CLERK. OKAY, SO BECAUSE THIS IS STILL PRESENTED, AND I DID ASK STAFF ABOUT FIGURE OH EIGHT UNDER THE TRANSIENT RESIDENTIAL AND OVERNIGHT ACCOMMODATIONS, YOU SAID YOU HAVE THE OLD VERSION THERE. SO CURRENTLY, IS IT TRUE THAT HOTELS, MOTELS, ROOMING AND BOARDING HOUSES, BED AND BREAKFAST INNS ARE NOT ALLOWED AT ALL? NO, THEY ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED. IN YOUR BUSINESS AND YOUR REGISTERED HOTELS ARE ALLOWED IN YOUR BUSINESS, BUT ARE NOT ALLOWED IN YOUR GENERAL OFFICE. YOU'RE MOVING MORE OF YOUR BUSINESS, MIXED USE IN YOUR GENERAL OFFICE, BUT NOT ALLOWED IN YOUR SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT. CORRECT. SO YOU CROSS YOUR BED AND BREAKFAST ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS. MIXED USE IN YOUR GENERAL OFFICE DISTRICT, BUT NOT ALLOWED IN YOUR SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX. SO THE CHART, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT HOW IT'S BROKEN OUT UP ON TOP. HERE IS YOUR MIXED BUSINESS MIXED USE. AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ZONING MAP IT'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THOSE LOCATIONS ARE. BUSINESS ISSUES WITH THE MAJESTIC PURPLE WAS THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OFFICE. IS THAT MORE OF A GREENISH? SAINT PATRICK COLORED. AND THE SINGLE FAMILY WAS MORE OF A YELLOW. SO IF WE GO BACK TO THE ZONING MAP, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THAT MAP. SURE. AGAIN, EVERYTHING THAT WAS PURPLE AND GREEN WOULD BE THESE USES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE MORE EXPANSIVE THAN RESIDENTIAL. AND WHILE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT UP, IF YOU WILL ALLOW IT, I'D LIKE TO JUST MENTION THE COMMISSIONER REED'S POINT. YOU KNOW WHAT? WHY THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING DID THIS IN THEIR CHARRETTE REPORT, WHICH YOU SAW THE PICTURE OF? I'D LIKE TO READ JUST QUICKLY. WHY THEY DID IT. WHY DON'T WE JUST TRY TO STAY FOCUSED ON THE PRESENTATION? I THINK I THINK THIS ONE MATTERS. OKAY. ALONG WITH IMPROVING THE SITUATION, ENCOURAGING A PLAN THAT PROMOTES GROWTH. ONE OF THE BULLET POINTS OF WHY WE ARE DOING THIS FROM THEIR WORDS IS TO ERADICATE THE STIGMA ATTACHED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S NAME APPEARS ON PAGE 38. ON PAGE 38. THEY GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. AND IT SAYS A NEW NAME FOR EAST STEWART. LISTEN TO ME. A NEW NAME FOR EAST STEWART. EAST STEWART, AS A NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ALWAYS BEEN CENTRALLY LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY. ITS NAME HAS NEVER BEEN A REFLECTION OF ITS GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION. DURING THE CHARRETTE, SEVERAL RESIDENTS EXPRESSED CONCERN REGARDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S NAME. OVER THE YEARS, A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN ATTACHED TO THE EAST STEWART DESIGNATION. RESIDENTS BELIEVE THAT A NEW NAME FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD ACCOMPANY THE ADOPTION OF THIS NEW MASTER PLAN. [01:05:02] SELECTING A NAME THAT REFLECTS THE COMMUNITY'S IDENTITY, CHARACTER, AND HISTORY IS A FEASIBLE, RELATIVELY EASY, AND INEXPENSIVE TASK. IT'S A RACING NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE, IT'S ON HERE. IT'S OF A DOWNTOWN FAIR. A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, LIKE WHAT I WAS DESCRIBING WITH. MR. MARTELL. I JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. CAN'T HEAR YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I UNDERSTAND. AT NO TIME DID ANYONE IN THE CITY OR THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL. ASKED FOR A NEW NAME. I HAVE THE NOTES FROM THE 2002 CHARRETTE, AND I WAS PRESENT AT THE CHARRETTE AS WELL, AND THAT WHAT WAS WRITTEN BY COMMISSIONER COLLINS WAS 100% ACCURATE. DURING THE COURSE OF THE CHARRETTE, THOSE RESIDENTS THAT WERE SHOWING THE PICTURES BY STAFF EARLIER DID DISCUSS THE FACT THAT THEY WANTED TO REJUVENATE THE SEWARD NEIGHBORHOOD AND GENERATE GROWTH AND BUSINESSES AND TURN IT BACK INTO THE BUSINESS CENTER THAT IT HAD BEEN IN THE 60S. AND DISCUSSIONS AT DIFFERENT TABLES DURING THE CHARRETTE, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT TABLES THAT WRITE DOWN THE NOTES AND COMMENTS. AND ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WAS A NEW NAME FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, CONDUCTED A NEIGHBORHOOD WIDE SURVEY TO DETERMINE IF THE RESIDENTS FEEL THE NEIGHBORS NAME. THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S NAME SHOULD BE CHANGED. NEIGHBORHOOD WIDE NAMES. PUBLIC COMMUNITY MEETINGS, ONLINE SURVEYS, FLIERS AND POSTERS DEFINE A NAME SELECTION METHOD. ADDRESS IT AND GO THROUGH IT. THIS YEAR, IT TOOK PLACE IN 2002 AND WAS ADOPTED. AND THOSE COMMENTS DID IN FACT COME UP AND THAT WAS IN THE REPORT, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. AND THEN IN 2003 AND 2004, THEY FOLLOWED UP AND DID THE NEIGHBORHOOD WIDE SURVEY, AND IT WAS LEARNED THAT EAST STEWART DID NOT WANT A NEW NAME. AND AS A RESULT, THAT DIED IN 2004. AND THERE'S NEVER BEEN A NEW NAME SINCE. BUT THE VERY FACT THAT YOU WOULD EVEN TRY TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION SAYS EVERYTHING I SAID. THAT'S CORRECT SIR. SIR. SIR, I HAVE TO ASK YOU TO BE SEATED AND READY TO CALL THE SHERIFF. COME ON SO, JOEY, ARE YOU DONE? YES. ARE YOU RESPONDING TO A QUESTION? BUT I WAS JUST SHOWING YOU. YOU WANTED TO SEE THE MAP TODAY. VICE MAYOR REQUESTED. YES. SO JUST JUST TO BE AWARE OF THIS, RIGHT HERE IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS WHERE THE PROJECT IS GOING. SO THIS IS NOT A MIXED USE. SO AGAIN FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, THE ONLY SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX RESIDENTIAL IS THE YELLOW. EVERYTHING ELSE IS GREEN. AND PURPLE IS COMMERCIAL OR MIXED. AS I WAS SAYING. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE MOST RECENTLY IS WE'VE ADDED SEVERAL TIMES. WE DID ADD SINGLE FAMILY. WELL, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY BLOCK IS CURRENTLY. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. SO UNLESS YOU WANTED TO CHANGE SAY THAT. THAT'S. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION? FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SESSION, I'D LIKE TO REMOVE THIS. FOR PURPOSES OF THE SESSION, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2530 9.5. WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR. WE HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOB. NOW WE CAN HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. MADAM CLERK. MADAM, DO YOU NEED ASSISTANCE? I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. OKAY. IF YOU JUST FILL OUT A GREEN CARD, PLEASE. AND. WOULD SHE LIKE TO IF SHE WOULD SHE LIKE TO COME FIRST? YEAH. THEY HAVE NO FIRST. SO SHE CAN SIT DOWN. LET HER GO FIRST. MARRIAGE. MARRIAGE. OH, OKAY. WHEN IT COMES TO RESPONDING TO PUBLIC COMMENT, HOW DO YOU WANT IT TO WORK? [01:10:07] YOU WANT US TO FLIP OUR CARD UP? WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD LET'S. SO IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF FILIBUSTERING, THEREFORE, LET'S ALLOW THEM TO LEAVE THEIR REMARKS AND THEN. YES. THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT. THANK YOU. LET'S LET'S NOT DO. BROADCAST THAT. TELL THEM YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS. WHAT? THEY. FIRST OF ALL. MY NAME IS LUCILLE PAUL SMITH. I CAME TO FLORIDA IN 1955. WE LIVED IN BRIGHTON FOR YEARS UNTIL CHEROKEE MOTEL, AN APARTMENT WAS BUILT. YOU LIVED THERE UNTIL THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO DECORATE AND MOVE OUT. SOME OF THE BLACK PEOPLE OUT OF THESE TWO. THEY SAID THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS WAS CONSTRUCTED WITH IRON AND THE WATER, AND THEY HAD TO MOVE OUT. EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN FLORIDA AND HE STOOD. I'M 83 AND NO ONE, NO ONE NEVER SAID THAT WATER WAS IN CHEROKEE PLACE, THE MOTEL. NOBODY SAID THAT THE I WAS IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THEY ALL HAD THE SAME PROBLEM, BUT THEY TORE DOWN CHEROKEE BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO MOVE OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE HAVE NO PLACE TO STAY. NO RECREATION FOR THE CHILDREN, NO NOTHING OUT HERE. AND I HAVE SEEN THIS PLACE DEGRADED. NOBODY TRIED TO COME OUT HERE AND FILL IT UP. NO ONE NEVER COME OUT HERE AND SAY, CAN I HELP YOU BY GETTING SOMEONE TO PAINT YOUR HOUSE TO MAKE YOU LOOK BETTER? NOBODY NEVER VOLUNTEERED THERE IS NO QUESTION OF WHAT WE NEEDED OUT HERE TO MAKE THE PLACE LOOK PRESENTABLE, BUT EVERY TIME I TURN AROUND, IT'S A NEWBORN ACROSS THE TRACK. WE HAVE NOTHING I CAN PUT SOME OF THAT MONEY THAT WE ARE GETTING THAT WE ARE PAYING TAXES ON AND FILL UP SOME PLACES THAT WE HAVE AND. WE NEED HELP. WE NEED HELP AND NOBODY IS GOING TO HELP. WE DON'T NEED NO RESTAURANT RIGHT NOW. WE NEED HOUSES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE. RIGHT NOW. THEY WANT TO MOVE. BUT WHERE IS IT TO MOVE? THEY THINK IT IS GOING TO SAINT LOUIS. THEY'RE TAKING ALL THE PEOPLES. WE HAVE A BIG COMMUNITY OUT HERE ONCE, BUT NO PLACE TO LIVE? SO HE MOVED TO PORT SAINT LUCIE. THEY LIVE IN VERO BEACH. WE NEED TO COME TO THE CONSENSUS AND SAY WE NEED TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE. WE NEED TO START CHIPPING AWAY. AND YES, THEY NEED HELP. I WAS FORTUNATE TO HAVE MY HOME AND ANOTHER HOME I HAVE, BUT THAT'S ME. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE NOWHERE TO GO. AMEN. THAT'S RIGHT. GRANDCHILDREN. THE CHILDREN. THEY ALL WOKE UP WITH TWO BEDROOM HOUSES. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. AND WE GOT ALL THIS MONEY SENT UP THERE IN THE BANK OR WHEREVER YOU GOT IT AT. BUT WE NEED TO BECOME STRONG IN OUR COMMUNITY. MAKE WAIT FOR ME. YES. YES. YES. THANK YOU. MADAM. I HAVE DARCY HERE. [01:15:03] MY NAME IS DARCY. WE'RE 216 SOUTHEAST HIBISCUS AVENUE IN STUART, FLORIDA. I WAS ASKED BY REVEREND JAMES TO SPEAK FOR NOT JUST HIS COMMUNITY, BUT MY COMMUNITY WITH SAINT MARY'S. OUR CHURCHES HAVE WORKED TOGETHER TO BUILD BRIDGES BETWEEN THE WHITE COMMUNITY AND THE BLACK COMMUNITY. WE'VE DISCUSSED ALL KINDS OF THINGS AROUND TABLES THAT BROUGHT US TOGETHER. WE BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND ONE ANOTHER AND CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER. I'VE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO DISCOVER A LOT ABOUT THE EAST STUART COMMUNITY AND ITS LIVES AND ITS UNIQUE CULTURE. I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE EAST STUART CHANGED. I DON'T THINK THE RESIDENTS WANT TO SEE STUART CHANGE, EXCEPT THAT MORE MONEY PUT INTO IT, WHICH COULD BE HELPFUL. I THINK THE ONE THING THAT DOES UNITE THE EAST STUART COMMUNITY IS THE FACT THAT SOMETIMES THINGS ARE IMPOSED UPON THE STUART COMMUNITY, AND THE ONLY THING THEY CAN DO IS STAND TOGETHER RATHER THAN BEING ROLLED OVER. SO I ASK, AS EAST STUART RESIDENTS, THE MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE ASKED, THAT THESE PLANS BE SHOW THAT THEY CONTINUE TO HAVE THEIR BY RIGHT PRIVILEGES. IF YOU GET TO KNOW EACH SCHOOL AT ALL, IT'S NOT LIKE WHITE COMMUNITIES WHERE I DON'T KNOW MANY PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE'RE PRETTY ANONYMOUS. ANY STEWART, EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYBODY ELSE. AND IF GLADYS WANTS TO BUILD A HOTEL, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO KNOW ABOUT IT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A SNEAKY DEVELOPER MOVING IN. SO I THINK THEY'VE MANAGED TO. AND I THINK THEY OUGHT TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT. BUT AT ANY RATE, I DON'T THINK ANY PLAN SHOULD GO FORWARD WITHOUT A LOT MORE CONSULTATION. THANK YOU. ALL. PAUL. DIDN'T DO, MR. SPIERS. MR. SOMEWHERE. I HAVE A REQUEST. WITH YOUR PERMISSION, CAN I SWAP PLACES WITH MR. JOHNNY BELL? YOU? CERTAINLY. YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD EVENING, MR. BELL. GOOD EVENING. I'VE BEEN A STEWARD FOR 78 YEARS. WOW. I WAS RAISED HERE. I WAS EDUCATED AT STEWARD TRAINING SCHOOL. I'VE BEEN A BUSINESSMAN IN EASTVILLE FOR 60 YEARS. I OWN THE BUSINESS, AND I'VE SEEN STEWARD GROW AND DEVELOP. I'VE BEEN AN ACTIVIST. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED NOW IN THAT PRESENTATION RIGHT THERE. THERE WAS SOMETHING MISSING. THERE WAS A THERE WAS A CODE OF POOR 2023. WHAT WAS THAT CODE? OH, ALRIGHT. YOU MIGHT NEED TO. YES. SO THAT WAS YOUR URBAN URBAN CODE THAT WAS OUT IN 2004? NO, NOT THAT ONE. THERE WAS ANOTHER REDEVELOPMENT CODE IN 2020. THERE WAS A CODE WHICH I CHAIRED, THAT ALSO AT SAINT MONICA'S CHURCH, WITH THE BLESSING OF THE FORMER CITY MANAGER, DAVE COLLIER AND THE LATE JAMES CHRISTIE. THE CODE WAS DONE FOR EAST STUART. IT'S CALLED THE EAST STUART URBAN CODE. YEAH. THAT'S THE CODE YOU JUST REPLACED. YEAH. THAT'S NOT MENTIONED. RIGHT. THAT COULD THAT CODE WAS DONE FOR EASTWOOD WITH INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS FROM EAST STUART. THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO UNDO THIS CODE SINCE WE PUT IT IN EFFECT. BECAUSE THIS THIS CODE SPELLS OUT WHAT THE FOR THE RESIDENTS WANTED. AND HE STOOD AND A LOT OF OTHER TOWN DEVELOPERS AND PEOPLE OUTSIDE DIDN'T LIKE THAT CODE. BUT STUART, THAT CODE COURT WAS MENTIONED. IT ACTUALLY WAS HERE. IT WAS THE IF YOU LOOK IF YOU LOOK AT THE I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY, JODY, TO THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED WHERE WE WERE. SO THE EXISTING MAP RIGHT THERE, THAT WAS THE CODE FROM 2002 UNTIL 2022, WHICH WAS A PRODUCT OF THE EAST. STUART SHARRATT THAT YOU WERE KNOW THIS SHOW WAS NOT. I CHAIRED THE CHARETTE ALSO, SO I UNDERSTAND, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CODE I'M TALKING ABOUT. THAT IS CALLED THE EASTERN URBAN CODE. THAT WAS DONE IN 2008. NO, THAT'S JUST READ THE CODE JUST INCREASED THE DENSITY FROM 50. WE DID THAT IN 20 1718. WE INCREASED THE BLESSING OF THE MAYOR. [01:20:05] WE HAVE MR.. MR.. COLLIER WAS DECEASED IN 2017. WHAT? HE WAS THE CITY MANAGER WHEN WE IN 2000. O'NEILL. AND THEY ATTENDED THE MEETINGS. THAT WAS AT SAINT MARTIN'S CHURCH. I AGREE. AND THAT WAS IN 2003. BUT THAT CODE IS NOT MENTIONED. YES IT WAS. IT'S THE SAME USES. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WAS THAT THEY CHANGED THE DENSITY FROM 15 UNITS AN ACRE BY RIGHT TO 17 UNITS. WELL, IT'S CHANGED GREATLY BECAUSE THAT CODE, YOU GET THAT FORM BASED CODE YOU JUST TOLD ME. YES, SIR. NO NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD WITHSTAND THAT. EASTWOOD IS GONE. YEAH. WITH THAT CODE YOU PUT IN. IT'S. NO. IT'S NO MORE SUITED TO COMMUNITY THAN THE SAME USES. BUT BUT BACK BACK TO THAT POINT. LET ME SAY THIS. I ALSO ATTENDED THE MEETINGS ABOUT THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL COUNCIL OUT HERE FOR THAT CODE. YES. WE REJECTED THAT CODE. ABSOLUTELY. THEN THEY CAME BACK WITH WITH ANOTHER CODE THAT WOULD INCLUDE MARTIN LUTHER KING FROM A-1-A TO TARPON. WE RELUCTANTLY AGREED TO THAT. THAT HASN'T BEEN STATED HERE. WE NEVER AGREED TO THE FORM BASED CODE. THIS COMMUNITY NEVER AGREED TO THAT. SO IT'S BEEN FORCED ON US. AND THAT'S NOT FAIR. WE'RE TRYING TO ROLL IT BACK TONIGHT. PLEASE DO THAT. BECAUSE IT'S NOT. IT WASN'T DONE PROPERLY THE FIRST TWO MEETINGS. WE REJECTED FROM THE TRENCH COATS AND JESSICA SEYMOUR. WE REJECTED THAT. I VOTED FOR FORM BASED CODE. I WAS BRAND NEW. OKAY. IT IS MY SINGLE REGRET. I DID NOT UNDERSTAND. APPRECIATE YOU, BUT. BUT IT HASN'T BEEN TOLD RIGHT YET. AND THE SECOND TIME, WE REMOVED IT AGAIN. AND THEN? THEN THE NEXT TIME I GO TO A MEETING DOWNTOWN FOR A PLAN AND I GET UP AND SAY, WHAT DID JESSICA SEYMOUR SAYS? WELL, WHEN WE GO DOWN TO FILE, WE CAN PUT THIS DOWN HERE. I SAID, HOLD IT, JESSICA. WHEN DID TARPON PASS CHURCH STREET BECOME COMMERCIAL? AND THEN YOU DELAYED THE MEETING AND WE NEVER HEARD ANYMORE. SO WHEN DID THIS THINK? WHO VOTED TO PASS THIS? THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T AGREE WITH THIS. YEAH. THIS IS FORCED UPON US. YEAH. IT'S NOT FAIR. IT WASN'T DONE RIGHT. YEAH. HAVE YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MR. MAYOR? I DID HAVE A QUESTION. AND THIS MIGHT BE TOWARDS CITY MANAGER MARCELLA AS WELL. SO I UNDERSTAND THE ZONING MAP THAT WAS THERE IN 2004. CORRECT, MIKE. THAT'S WHAT WE HAD WAS THE ORIGINAL CHARRETTE WAS IN 2002, BACK IN 2003. THEN JIM CHRISTY FORMED THE AND WAS PARTICIPATING IN MISTER BELL AND THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF EAST SEWARD THAT CAME OUT OF THAT CHARRETTE, AND THEY ULTIMATELY FORMED AN EASTWARD MAIN STREET THAT CAUSED EAST SEWARD TO INCREASE THE DENSITY FROM 15 ACRE TO 17 ACRE. THEN IN ABOUT 2000, 17 OR 18, TED AND FREEMAN BROUGHT FORWARD WHAT WAS GOING TO BE A FORM BASED CODE. AND COMMISSIONER CLARK NOTIFIED EVERYBODY IN EAST SEWARD, AND THEY ALL CAME OUT TO THE MEETING. AND THE EAST SEWARD RESIDENTS, AS MR. BELL POINTS OUT, REJECTED THAT CODE AND SAID THEY DID NOT WANT TO PURSUE THAT CODE. AND THEN FOLLOWING COVID, THERE WAS A PUSH TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR PROPERTY. AND THEY WANTED DIRECTION, OR THEY WANTED A CODE THAT THEY COULD FOLLOW THROUGH. AND THAT'S WHY YOU GO TO THE OUTLINE. IN ROUGHLY OCTOBER OF 21, THEY STARTED THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS AND SPENT FROM OCTOBER OF 21 UNTIL FEBRUARY OF 23 HOLDING OUTREACH MEETINGS, MEETING WITH PEOPLE, WALKING IN EAST SEWARD, HAVING MEETINGS HERE AT 10TH STREET, HAVING MEETINGS AT CITY HALL. THEY SET UP 3500 FLIERS. THEY PUT WAS 500 DOORKNOCKERS ON EVERY SINGLE DOOR IN EACH TIER. AND THAT WAS OVER 110 VISITS. BUT WAIT. NOTHING CHANGED. THE POINT IS, WHEN JODI SHOWED WHAT HAPPENED, THAT ALL THEY CHANGED WAS THAT IN 22, THEY MADE THE TEN PROPERTIES ON TARPON THAT HAD BEEN SINCE 2002, GROW. THEY CHANGED THEM. YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT HERE. THE DASHED LINES AROUND IT. THOSE WERE GREEN. THEY MADE THEM SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX. AND THEN AT THE TOP WHERE THE CHEROKEE WAS AND WHERE SAM OWNS THAT VACANT LOT, THEY MADE THAT MIXED USE. BECAUSE IN THE 2002 CHARRETTE, THE RESIDENTS OF EAST STUART HAD THE [01:25:04] NOTES RIGHT HERE, SAID THEY WANTED LAKE STREET TO BE RETURNED TO A MAIN STREET TYPE OF BUSINESS, AND THEY WANTED MLK BOULEVARD TO HAVE MIXED USE ON IT, AND THAT'S WHY THEY MADE THE PROPERTY NEXT TO GARY'S GAS STATION AND A HOTEL RIGHT THERE. THERE'S ALSO THE PURPOSE OF THE WRITER THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE CHEROKEE IS BEHIND WHAT'S NOW THE VETERANS BUILDING, MIXED USE. AND ON THE LEFT END OF THE PROPERTY WHERE IT'S ALL, AGAIN, STILL PURPLE. THAT WAS THE. BUSINESS DISTRICT OR WHATEVER IT WAS GOING TO BE CALLED. AND FROM 2002 UNTIL 2022, IT WAS CALLED MIXED USE. BUT THE PROBLEM WITH IT WAS THAT YOU COULDN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T JUST BUILD A GROCERY STORE. YOU HAD TO DO A GROCERY STORE AND AN APARTMENT UPSTAIRS, OR YOU COULDN'T JUST DO A RESTAURANT BECAUSE YOU HAD TO DO AN APARTMENT UPSTAIRS, BUT YOU COULDN'T DO A HOUSE BECAUSE YOU HAD TO HAD A GROCERY STORE WITH IT. SO IN 22, DURING THAT WORKSHOP PROCESS, IT WAS AGREED TO MODIFY THAT USE AND SAY, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR A STEWARD AND MAKE IT SO THAT IT CAN BE EITHER OR. IT COULD BE A COMMERCIAL USE OR A RESIDENTIAL USE. AND THOSE WERE THE CHANGES THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. IT WASN'T SIGNIFICANT. NOW MR. COMES AFTER TWO IN IN 2002, THE CHARRETTE THAT WAS ADOPTED DID IN FACT MAKE THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OFFICE THROUGHOUT A LOT OF THE CITY. AND IT ALSO MADE THE MIXED USE OR THROUGH A LOT OF USE, AND IT MADE THE MIXED USE A USE THROUGHOUT A LOT OF STEWARD. PRIOR TO THAT, IT WAS R3, WHICH WAS MULTIFAMILY, AND B1 AND B2 WHICH WAS COMMERCIAL. THEY MADE IT MORE OF AN URBAN CODE FOR THE EASTWARD URBAN CODE, AS MR. BELL POINTS OUT. AND WHAT MR. COLLINS IS SAYING IS HE WANTS IT TO NOT BE BY RIGHT, BECAUSE HE'S AFRAID THAT IF A DEVELOPER COMES IN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO JUST MAKE THOSE CHANGES WITHOUT HAVING THIS KIND OF A PUBLIC HEARING. THE POINT OF THIS CLARIFICATION IS SIMPLY THAT THE CITY OF SEWARD DIDN'T ACTUALLY MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO YOUR CODE IN 2022. ALL IT DID WAS TAKE A LITTLE PORTION OF IT SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX AND A LITTLE PORTION RIGHT UP ON MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD, MIXED USE. AND THEN IT MADE THE MIXED USE PORTION THAT WAS READ BE ALLOWED TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL ONLY. BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT BACK IN 2002, WHEN THE ORIGINAL CHARETTE WAS ADOPTED, IT DID ALLOW THESE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT OR URBAN. THE EAST SEWARD URBAN OVERLAY ZONE. DEVELOPMENT TO GO FORWARD. AND A LOT OF IT WAS BY RIGHT WHEN THE FORM BASED CODE WAS ADOPTED, IT WASN'T CHANGING ALL THOSE USES, IT WAS JUST SHOWING. IF YOU DO THIS, YOU CAN COME RIGHT IN AND GET A PERMIT WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEND MONEY ON CONSULTANTS AND DOING ALL THIS STUFF, AND IT JUST KIND OF WROTE OUT HOW IT WORKS, BUT IT DIDN'T CHANGE THE CONTENT OF WHAT WAS GOING ON OR HAD BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2002, OR OR TERRY O'NEILL AND DAVE COLLIER'S ORIGINAL CHARRETTE IN 2002. AND SO WHAT'S THE QUESTION BEFORE TONIGHT IS NOT THAT SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO SLIP SOMETHING IN UNDER THE CARPETING OR DO ANYTHING. IT'S THE COMMISSION IS TRYING TO FIND OUT FROM THE COMMUNITY IF THEY WANT IT TO BE BY RIGHT, AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME IN AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT WITHOUT THE EXPENSE OF A COMMUNITY. A CONDITIONAL USE AND WITHOUT NOTIFYING YOU? OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE IT BE CONDITIONAL USE, WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO COME IN AND HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND GET APPROVAL? THE CONDITIONAL USE TAKES LONGER AND MAYBE A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT IT ALSO PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYBODY TO HEARD GET HEARD. BUT THE VERY FIRST WOMAN THAT GOT UP AND SPOKE WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THAT SHE SAID, SHE WANTS US TO COME IN HERE AND DO MORE TO ALLOW THIS PLACE TO GET BETTER AND GROW BETTER. AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED IN 2002. AND THAT IS WHY THE CITY GAVE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS BY. RIGHT. BUT THEY DIDN'T DO IT TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM ANYBODY. THEY DID IT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THAT WHAT WAS BEING REQUESTED. THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMISSION IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS TO FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT. THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT ANY DIFFERENT THAN YOU WANT TO DO IT. [01:30:04] WE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. EACH THE URBAN CODE AND THE FORM BASED CODE IS LIKE NIGHT AND DAY. THE EASTWOOD URBAN CODE, BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY OF EASTWOOD, WE ALLOWED EAST AVENUE TO BE MIXED USE WITH SMALL BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S WHAT THE HISTORY OF EASTWOOD. MARTIN LUTHER KING WAS ALWAYS COMMERCIAL. WE ALLOWED THE EASTWOOD URBAN CODE ALLOW COMMERCIAL USE FROM TOP ON TO CHURCH STREET. CHURCH STREET TO 10TH STREET IS ALL RESIDENTIAL. FORM BASED CODE. WANT TO MAKE THAT COMMERCIAL? EVEN ON 10TH STREET? YOU WANT TO MAKE ITS NIGHT AND DAY WITH THOSE CODES THAT THOSE FORM BASED CODE WILL NOT. HE STILL WILL NOT BE A COMMUNITY ANYMORE. IF YOU IMPLEMENT THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY. WE DON'T WANT THAT CODE. WE WANT THE CODE THAT WE APPROVE THE COMMUNITY. APPROVE. APPROVE. EASTWOOD. AN URBAN CODE. THEY APPROVE THAT. THEY HAD INPUT. CAN WE JUST ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER? GO RIGHT AHEAD AND CLARIFY HOW TO. MAKE THOSE EXISTING ZONING. IT'S BECAUSE THIS SLIDE CAME FROM THE PRESENTATION WHEN JESSICA WAS PRESENTING THIS IN 2022. IT WAS THE EXISTING URBAN CODE. IT HADN'T BEEN CHANGED YET. THIS WAS IT. AND THEN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS WAS THE PROPOSED CODE WHERE THEY WERE PROPOSING TO MAKE THE CHANGES THAT MR. BELLE IS TALKING ABOUT. AS I POINTED OUT, THIS IS ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THIS FROM GREEN TO YELLOW. GREEN MEANT THAT IT WENT ALL THE WAY DOWN AS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OFFICE. MAKING IT YELLOW CHANGED IT TO SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY CHANGED THESE TWO PARCELS RIGHT HERE. THEY WERE G WHICH WAS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OFFICE, AND THEY CHANGED THEM TO BUSINESS MIXED USE BECAUSE THE CONSENSUS WAS THEY WANTED MLK TO BE AN EXCUSE. THEY ALSO CHANGED THE CHEROKEE OR THE I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF IT NOW, AS WELL AS THE VACANT PARCELS BEHIND IT TO BE ALLOWED TO BE MIXED USE. THE OTHER SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IS, MR. BELL POINTED OUT, THE ORIGINAL E STUART URBAN CODE WANTED E STREET TO BE THE MAIN STREET, AND THEY WANTED MIXED USES ON THAT. BUT WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN IN 2002, IT IT WAS WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT WHEN THE STAFF PEOPLE WENT TO GO LOOK TO SEE IF SOMEBODY SHOULD GET AN APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION, IT SAID EVERY SINGLE PARCEL HAD TO BE MIXED USE. SO IF SOMEBODY COME IN AND WANTED TO PUT A DAY CARE, THEY HAD TO ALSO PUT APARTMENTS UPSTAIRS BECAUSE THE DAYCARE IS JUST COMMERCIAL AND IT DIDN'T HAVE RESIDENTIAL TO IT. SO THEY COULDN'T JUST GET THEIR DAYCARE APPROVED, OR IF THEY JUST WANTED TO PUT IN A CAFE, THEY COULDN'T DO THE CAFE BECAUSE IT HAD TO BE MIXED USE AND IT HAD TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL UPSTAIRS, OR IF THEY WANTED TO COME IN AND BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. THE ANSWER WAS NO, BECAUSE IT HAD TO BE MIXED USE AND THEY HAD TO HAVE SOME KIND OF BUSINESS TIED TO IT. SO IN 22, WHEN THEY MADE THE CHANGES, THEY CHANGED THIS BUSINESS. MIXED USE TO SAY THAT YOU'RE ALSO ALLOWED TO DO IT INDIVIDUALLY. IT CAN EITHER BE JUST COMMERCIAL OR JUST RESIDENTIAL OR BOTH. THE QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY TONIGHT IS, DO YOU WANT IT TO BE THESE THINGS? DO YOU WANT IT TO BE SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT? AND IF YOU WANT IT TO SAY THESE THINGS, DO YOU WANT IT TO REQUIRE ANYBODY THAT COMES IN TO BUILD ON THOSE VACANT LOTS WITH THE SEWER? OR DO THEY NEED TO HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL THAT REQUIRES THEM TO GO THAT EXTRA STEP SO THAT EVERYBODY IN STUART KNOWS WHAT THAT IS? OR DO YOU WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT BY RIGHT. AND THE COMMISSION JUST WANTS TO HEAR FROM YOU IN PUBLIC COMMENT TO TELL THEM WHAT YOU WANT. THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE ANYTHING TO PUT SOMETHING ON YOU YOU DON'T WANT. THIS IS WHAT IT IS. AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU WANT EVERYTHING TO STOP BEING ANY OF THESE USES, TELL THEM THAT TOO, BECAUSE THEY CAN GO BACK AND THEY CAN CHANGE ALL OF THIS. BUT HISTORICALLY, YOU SAW THE VERY FIRST SLIDE OF THIS 1978. [01:35:05] THIS WAS ALL R-3, WHICH WAS MULTIFAMILY, AND B1 AND B2 WHICH WAS COMMERCIAL. WHEN THE URBAN CODE TOOK IT OVER, IT CHANGED TO THESE CODE WORDS OF G AND DMU, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY THE MIXED USE AND THE RESIDENTIAL OFFICE USE, BUT DRAMATICALLY EXPANDED THE COMMERCIAL NATURE OF IT. WELL, THE COMMERCIAL NATURE OF EASTWOOD ON EAST STREET IN THE 60S. THIS WAS ALL COMMERCIAL. THIS WAS A CARPET MAIN STREET AND ALSO ALLOWS WHERE THERE'S NOTHING HIGHER THAN THREE AND FOUR STORY. IT DOES ALLOW THE, AS HELEN POINTS OUT SINCE 2002. IT ALLOWED THE 35 40FT WITH MY RIGHT, AND THEN IT NEEDED CONDITIONAL USE TO GO TO FOUR STORIES. THAT DID NOT CHANGE IN 22. THAT WAS THE CASE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, BACK IN 22, BACK IN 2002, WHEN THE URBAN CODE OVERLAY WAS SET. AGAIN, THAT'S WHY THESE HEARINGS TAKE PLACE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL HERE, SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN TELL THE COMMISSIONERS EXACTLY HOW YOU WANT IT TO BE. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS ONCE IT HAPPENS AND IT GETS ADOPTED AND SOMEBODY COMES FORWARD, AND THEN THEY SAY, WELL, WAIT A SECOND. AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE. WHAT HAPPENED WAS IN 2009, TEN, 11, 12, 13, 14 AND 15, WE WERE IN A RECESSION AND EVERYTHING WAS EXPENSIVE. AND PEOPLE WERE SAYING, WELL, IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE TO COME IN AND HAVE TO PAY THESE APPLICATION FEES FOR THE CONDITIONAL USES AND DO ALL THIS STUFF. SO THEY WERE ASKING FOR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CODE, BUT MAYBE HAVING A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE IS OKAY, SO THAT EVERYBODY GETS TO FIND OUT WHAT IT IS SO THAT YOU CAN, IN FACT, KNOW IN ADVANCE WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE OR NOT GO THERE. AND IT CAN REMAIN PUBLICLY DISCUSSED EVERY TIME A PROJECT COMES FORWARD SO THAT YOU DON'T END UP WITH LIKE A COUNTRY WHERE YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. WELL, THE GUTTER COMPANY WAS COMMERCIAL SINCE 1978. THAT PROPERTY WAS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. SO UNDER THIS, UNDER THE CURRENT CODE, WHETHER IT'S BY RIGHT OR NOT, BY RIGHT, THE GUTTER COMPANY WASN'T SEEKING ADDITIONAL USE. IT WAS ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL. IT WAS ONE STORY BUILDING. IT DIDN'T EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT. THE BUILDING WAS ALREADY BUILT. SO IT TECHNICALLY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A PERMIT. TO YOUR POINT, THE WAY THAT WE HAVE IT CURRENTLY ZONED ALLOWS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN AND NOBODY GETS NOTIFIED. UNLESS. SOMEBODY HAS TO GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE TO GET THAT PERMIT TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING SO THEY CAN HAVE INPUT AND YOU CAN TELL US OR NOT, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE APPROVED FOR MEETINGS. SO I WANT TO ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF THIS IS NOW WE'RE IN PUBLIC COMMENT. SO TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT JUST FOR A SECOND. RIGHT. OKAY. IN THE PAST THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER. CAN I JUST FINISH? NO. CAN WE FINISH PUBLIC COMMENT? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT. THAT. MADAM CLERK. SANDRA. NEWMAN. YES. RIGHT, EXACTLY. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. I HAVE WRITTEN A. SPEECH I GAVE TO YOU A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO CONCERNING THIS PROPOSAL, AND I'VE REWRITTEN IT FROM SOME CLARIFICATIONS I HAVE HEARD. I LIVE AT 902 SOUTH LAKE STREET. I ALSO HAVE A OTHER PROPERTY IN STUART FORMERLY, BUT FROM WHAT I AM HEARING, IT'S BEEN MUCH CLARIFICATION SINCE I WROTE THIS LETTER OR THIS MEMO. BUT WHAT IS MISSING FOR ME, AND I BELIEVE FOR OTHERS, THAT WE NEED TO ACTUALLY SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THESE STREETS, THIS BEAUTIFUL COLORS. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE MARTIN LUTHER KING I'VE NO REALLY KNOW WHERE I NEED TO LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE CLOSER WITH THE STREET NAMES. I KNOW ALL THESE STREETS. AND SINCE THE SMITH, SHE'S BEEN HERE 83. I'VE BEEN HERE 75. AND I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE. RIGHT. THIS IS MY HUSBAND, 77. [01:40:05] MY SISTER, MY BROTHER. WE'VE ALL LIVED HERE. WE ALL HAVE CHILDREN. WE HAVE A MOOD. WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON MOVING. WE LOVE EAST STEWART. WE ARE A NICE, KNIT TOGETHER, CLOSE COMMUNITY. MY CHURCH IS IN EAST STEWART CHURCH. OH COME ON. WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO BE NEXT DOOR. WHAT IS GOING TO CHANGE OUR COMMUNITY FROM THE QUIET, CALM COMMUNITY THAT IT IS. OTHER THAN WHEN OUTSIDERS COME IN AND CAUSE A DISRUPTION. SO I APPRECIATE MR. COLLINS EXPLAINING. AND MR. MARTEL, I'VE GOT NO QUARREL WITH MR. MARTEL, SAID THE MAYOR. SO I, I APPRECIATE YOU, MR. PLEASANT PRESENTATION EXPLANATIONS, BUT WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND ACTUALLY LOOK AT THESE STREETS. WE KNOW WHAT WE HAD IN THE PAST. MARTIN LUTHER KING, INDIAN BUSINESS. EAST AVENUE HAS BEEN BUSY. THAT'S WHAT MY CHURCH IS. I DON'T NEED A BAR NEXT TO MY CHURCH. ALRIGHT. STRANGE. WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS IN EAST STEWART. BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED. THIS. PROPERTY WAS TAKEN AWAY IN REPLACEMENT OF EVERYTHING. THE TAYLOR PROPERTY AND REPLACE IT. AND AS SHE SAID, OUR CHILDREN ARE MOVING TO PORT SAINT LUCIE WHERE THEY CAN AFFORD TO LIVE. I ASKED PEOPLE TO COME IN THERE AND TELL ME I CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN AFFORD TO LIVE THERE, AND I CAN BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY BACK IN 1977. BUT TODAY'S PRICES? NO WAY. SO WE NEED YOUR HELP. I'M HEARING THAT YOU WANT TO HELP US. YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE WANT? AND THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IS TO SIT DOWN STREET BY STREET. WE CAN TELL YOU WHAT LOOKS GOOD FOR US. WHAT IS GOING TO PROSPER US. WE'VE NOT BOTHERED YOU OVER THE YEARS. WE LET YOU TAKE WHATEVER TAX MONEY YOU DID DO WHATEVER. NOT GOING TO PUT ANY STUART. BUT NOW WE NEED YOU TO COME HELP US BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP THIS PROPOSAL. COME HELP US. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S ALL WE DO. THANK YOU. SO MUCH. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, ESPECIALLY IN THE SECOND ITEM. THIS IS TO GO THROUGH THOSE STREETS AND TELL US WHAT SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL AND WHAT SHOULD BE BUSINESS SUPPORT. OKAY. MADAM CLERK DALIA HALL. ALL RIGHT. I DEFER TO THE NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. OKAY. WALTER. ODIN. MR. MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS. YOU KNOW, I HAD A WHOLE DIFFERENT PRESENTATION I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO GIVE TONIGHT, BUT IT WAS TITLED YOU DON'T HEAR ME THOUGH. I WAS BORN IN STUART MARTIN MEMORIAL HOSPITAL, JUST LIKE MANY OF YOU BEFORE THE CONDO, BEFORE THE GATED COMMUNITIES, BEFORE THE CITY STARTED LOOKING AT EAST STUART LIKE BLANK SLATE INSTEAD OF A PLACE WITH HISTORY. MY FAMILY WAS ALREADY HERE. I DIDN'T HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF GROWING UP HERE, BUT I CAME ON THE WEEKENDS AND DURING THE SUMMERS WITH THE SAKE OF SALT IN THE AIR FEELING OF HOT PAVEMENT UNDER MY FEET AS I RAN TO JORDAN FIELDS TO GET MY HOT SAUSAGE AND PICKLES. PIGS STOPPING BY THE STORE ON TARPON THAT GEORGE WAS OUT BEFORE HEADING TO MY FAVORITE SPOT TO GET MY LILY. LILY FOR YOU. OTHERS IN THE AUDIENCE FROM NEW YORK LIKE ME, THAT'S AN ITALIAN ICE. MY UNCLE PAINTED HOUSES FOR A FEW DOLLARS AND A LITTLE LIQUOR. HIS BRUSHSTROKES LAYERING THE STORIES ONTO THE VERY WALLS OF THE COMMUNITY. MY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SINCE THE 1920S. MY FATHER, DOCTOR WALTER ODEN, WAS BORN IN A HOUSE AT 909 BHALE BHALE. MY PARENTS WERE EDUCATORS HERE IN THE 60S, SHAPING YOUNG MINDS IN A SEGREGATED SCHOOL SYSTEM, BELIEVING THAT KNOWLEDGE WAS THE KEY TO FREEDOM. MY FATHER WAS MORE THAN AN EDUCATOR, THOUGH. HE WAS A VOICE IN THIS COMMUNITY, SPINNING RECORDS ON THE RADIO STATION OWNED BY RESTAURANTS. HE HOSTED THE BUNDLE PARTY. SOMEBODY REMINDED ME OF THAT TODAY, AND THAT FILLED LIVING ROOMS AND BROUGHT OUR PEOPLE TOGETHER THAT ARE. [01:45:07] THAT'S OUR CULTURE. THAT'S OUR IDENTITY. I OWN MY GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE ON TARPON. I OWN THE LOT. MY GRANDFATHER'S HOUSE STOOD AND WAS TORN DOWN ON ON CHURCH STREET, ACROSS FROM THE LITTLE PARK. I OWNED OTHER PROPERTIES IN EAST STEWART. NOT AS A NEW YORKER OUTSIDE LOOKING TO FLIP LAND FOR A QUICK BUCK, BUT AS A DEVELOPER WHO UNDERSTANDS THIS PROCESS, WHO HAS DEEP ROOTS IN THE SOIL, AND I AM CHALLENGED BY THE CITY OR ANYONE ELSE TELLING ME WHAT I CAN BUILD IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT WE CAN'T CREATE A PLACE FOR FAMILIES AND PEOPLE TO COME BACK TO, FOR BUSINESSES TO EVEN GROW. I AGREE THAT WE NEED INVESTMENT, BUT YOU DON'T HEAR ME THOUGH. THIS CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO DEVELOP AND LIMIT DEVELOPMENT IN EAST NEWARK TO SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ONLY. I UNDERSTAND THAT AND THEY SAY THEY WILL PROTECT THE COMMUNITY. PROTECT THE COMMUNITY FROM WHO? FROM WHAT? I GET ALL OF THAT. BUT THIS IS SOUTH FLORIDA. HURRICANE CODES MAKE BUILDING EXPENSIVE. WHEN YOU FORCE DEVELOPERS TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, ONLY THE COST OF HOUSING SKYROCKETS. WITHOUT INVESTMENT. LESS FAMILY, HIGHER PRICES, MORE DISPLACEMENT, THE VERY THING PEOPLE FEAR GENTRIFICATION IS BEING FACILITATED BY CONDITION. IT CAN BE FACILITATED BY CONDITIONAL USE IF NOT IMPLEMENTED, IMPLEMENTED PROPERLY. I USED TO REVEL IN THE TALES MY FATHER WOULD TELL ME ABOUT GROWING UP IN EAST STUART. WHEN IT WAS FULL OF BUSINESSES. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO ACROSS THE TRACKS TO GET WHAT WE NEEDED. HOMER THOMPSON'S GAS STATION, TAXI ON FRONT STREET, MY FRONT DOORS, BEAUTY SALON DOLPHY'S BARBECUE. THE PICTURE MAN, YOU WEREN'T READY FOR EASTER THIS YEAR. PICTURE. THIS MAGDALENE'S CLUB 19. AND MUSIC FLOATING INTO THE NIGHT. YOU NEED SOMETHING FROM THE STORE. YOU WENT TO ONE OF THOSE AFOREMENTIONED PLACES OR THE BALDWINS PLACE IN THE BOTTOM. MISS REYNOLDS WAS LIKE A LITTLE GENERAL STORE. YEAH, RIGHT. GEORGE. BOYS PLAY. STILL, HARVEY GOT YOUR HAIR CUT AT MY BROTHER'S PLACE. BEFORE THIS, THE CITY DECIDED WHERE BLACK FOLKS COULD AND COULDN'T GO BEFORE DEVELOPERS CAME IN WITH THEIR PRECONCEIVED, PRE-APPROVED VISIONS. WE BUILT THIS COMMUNITY. WE WERE ENTREPRENEURS. WE WERE DEVELOPERS OURSELVES. AND NOW, AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, INSTEAD OF SUPPORTING THESE SAME PEOPLE, WE'RE PUTTING UP ROADBLOCKS. YEAH, BUT YOU DON'T GIVE IT UP. I DON'T WANT MY PROPERTY RIGHTS IMPEDED. I DON'T WANT MY LAND, MY FAMILY AND MY HISTORY, MY INHERITANCE CONTROLLED BY PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS PLACE. I DON'T WANT IT SO HIGH THAT OUR OWN PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO STAY. AND I DON'T WANT A COUNCIL THAT LISTENS TO ONE AND NOT THE HUNDREDS WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR GENERATIONS. WHAT I WANT IS WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD. COMMUNITY. AND IF YOU DON'T HEAR ME NOW, I PROMISE YOU. COME ON UP. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. FOR SURE. SO YOU DO INDEED. AND YOUR FAMILY IS ON QUITE A BIT OF PROPERTY IN STUART FOR DECADES SINCE THE BROWNS ODINS. YES. THE ROSES. AND YET YOU'VE FAILED TO BUILD ON THEM FOR QUITE A WHILE. AND IT'S BEEN. AND WHY IS THAT? IT IS EXPENSIVE. IT IS EXPENSIVE. AND I REFUSE TO CHARGE THE RATES THAT ONE WOULD CHARGE WHEN BUILDING AT THE RATES THAT HURRICANE BUILDING WITHOUT SOME KIND OF SUBSIDY, WITHOUT SOME KIND OF INVESTMENT. IT'S JUST TOO DIFFICULT. AND SO YOU HAVE TO ASSUME, MR., THAT IF WE'RE SEEKING TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY. AS MR. SMITH SAID, HER GRANDCHILDREN WANT TO LIVE HERE. THE BEST WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT IS THROUGH DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES AND QUADPLEXES, BECAUSE THAT HELPS DEFRAY THE COST OF. SO I WILL SAY THIS. I THINK WE HAVE TO BUILD WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. JUST LOOK AT THE 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AT $250 A SQUARE FOOT, THAT'S 500,000. CAN ONE FAMILY DEFER THAT COST OR ABSORB THAT COST? OR CAN TWO. AND SOME OF THE FAMILIES IN HERE CERTAINLY CAN. RIGHT. OTHERS MAY NEED SOME SUPPORT. I HAVE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY. HOW ABOUT WE BUILD THAT $500,000 HOUSE BY THE FOLKS, $300,000? SO THEY ONLY HAVE TO PAY 200,000? YEAH. THAT WAY THEY CAN AFFORD THE BEST. AND I THINK THERE ARE DOLLARS OUT THERE. IF WE DO THE RIGHT KIND OF RESEARCH TO GET THAT INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY. AND MR. JUST TAKE A GUESS, HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS WOULD ADD TO THE COST OF BUILDING HOUSING? [01:50:07] I THINK THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT. IT'S 10 TO 20% MORE. AS MUCH AS 20% MORE IF YOU'RE NOT CAREFUL, BECAUSE MOST OF THE FOLKS IN HERE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO WALK INTO THAT CONDITIONAL USE MEETING BY THEMSELVES, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED FOR LEGAL SUPPORT AND THAT'S GOING TO COST MONEY. SO THAT'S A CHALLENGE. THANK YOU. HOLD ON. THERE'S A QUESTION. YEAH. MR.. OH, SORRY. SORRY. HI. THANK YOU. YOU'RE SAYING THAT PEOPLE NEED HELP IN ORDER TO DEVELOP. WOULD YOU SUPPORT THE IDEA OF THE CITY WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE LOCAL BANKS TO CREATE SOME KIND OF A REINVESTMENT POOL? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU LOOK ON THE NEWS NOW IN UNIONDALE, NEW YORK, WE HAVE A LOTTERY GOING ON. I'M BUILDING THE HOUSE. IT'S NOT MY HOUSE. I'M BUILDING IT FOR A GROUP. THE AVERAGE COST OF A HOUSE IN UNIONDALE, NEW YORK, IS $600,000. THEY HAVE A LOTTERY. ONE PERSON IS GOING TO GET THAT HOUSE FOR 280,000 BECAUSE THEY PUT SUBSIDY INTO THAT BUILDING. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, I THINK. AND ALSO, ARE YOU AWARE OF THE HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN COORDINATED WITH WAS THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE EAST STEWART AREA. I'VE SEEN THREE, I THINK. THREE OF THEM? YES. I ASKED YOU ABOUT 20 OVER 20. SURE. SO ABOUT TEN BEFORE THAT. OKAY. OH. COUNTYWIDE? YEAH. I THINK ANY STEWART. WE HAVE WE HAVE THREE OF THEM, I'M NOT MISTAKEN. MAYBE FOUR. I BELIEVE THAT SORT OF OUT OF TOWN. YES. YEAH. I KNOW THAT FOLLOWING THE 2002 CHARRETTE, THE EAST SEWER RESIDENTS WANTED THE CITY OF STEWART TO GIVE ITS HOUSING OR GIVE ITS LAND THAT WAS IN EAST STEWART AND HAVE IT USED FOR HOUSING. AND THE CITY OF STEWART DONATED ALL OF THE LAND THAT IT OWNED AT THE TIME IN EAST SEWER TO THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. AND HOUSES WERE BUILT ON. AND THERE'S PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THAT RECEIVED HOUSES FROM THE HABITAT HOUSES. BUT THE CITY DOESN'T OWN ANY OTHER LAND OTHER THAN THE WILLY DAIRY PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S NOT OWNED BY A GRANT FOR THAT PARTICULAR PURPOSE. WE DON'T OWN INDIVIDUAL LOTS. I KNOW SOMEBODY SAID THAT TAYLOR PROPERTY. THE CITY HAS NO OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN THE TAYLOR COUNTY, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY OR TO DO ANYTHING WITH THEIR PROPERTY. THAT IS THEIR PRIVATE RIGHT, NOT OURS. I'LL TELL YOU, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING IN NEW YORK TO MAKE THIS AFFORDABLE ALSO IS IF YOU DO HAVE LAND THAT YOU OWN OR LEASE THE PROPERTY, BUILD THE HOUSE SO THAT THE INHABITANTS LIVE THERE. THEY DON'T FLIP THE HOUSE FOR MORE MONEY, RIGHT? BUT THEY GIVE THE HOUSE BACK, AND THEN THE NEXT FAMILY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN THE LOTTERY FOR IT. SO THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS, BUT I CERTAINLY HAVE SEEN SOME BEST PRACTICES. THE COUNTY HAS A PROGRAM SIMILAR TO THAT. IT'S A SHIP PROGRAM WHERE THEY JUST OFFER A DOWN PAYMENT, AMEN. BUT YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN THERE FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS BEFORE YOU GET TO CHANGE ANYTHING. I MEAN, IF YOU GET CRA CREDITS IN THE IN THE FEDERAL DOLLARS AND MAKE THE SHIP PAYMENT OF $300,000 A YEAR AS OPPOSED TO A 5000 OR 10,000. I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE HELP IS. SUPPORT REALLY COMES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR.. MR.. I'M SURE ONE OF THE VICE MAYORS, OF COURSE. SO I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES HOW EXPENSIVE HOUSING IS. WE'RE ALL WITH YOU. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SCALING BACK IS NOT SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR DUPLEX, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING CONDITIONAL USE BOARDS LIKE CITY PLACE. I THINK THOSE TWO ARE GETTING CONFLATED. NOBODY UP HERE IS TRYING TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR HOME DUPLEXES AND PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THEIR AFFORDABLE. WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT NOW, I HAVE A LOT ON THE CORNER OF SAQUON AND LAKE ACROSS FROM THE WILLIE GARY PLAZA. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT TODAY I COULDN'T PUT A TRI PLEX THERE, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS WORKING ON WITH THE CITY TO DO BEFORE THIS HAPPENED. AND THAT THAT ACTUALLY FROZE PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT. WHERE ARE WE AT? SO. AROUND THE CORNER IF I MAKE SURE. IT'S HERE. SO THAT'S THAT COULD BE THREE STORY UP TO 35FT HIGH RIGHT. THIS WAS JUST A ONE STORY, THREE TRIPLEX, BUT I UNDERSTAND I COULDN'T DO IT. THAT'S COMING INTO THE SEASON. THAT'S WHAT I'M AS OF TODAY. RIGHT NOW YOU CAN YOU WOULD ONLY NEED CONDITIONAL APPROVAL IF YOU WERE GOING TO GO FORWARD. AND FOUR STORIES AS OF TODAY. RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING THOUGH IS POTENTIALLY RESTORING THAT TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME [01:55:09] ZONING, BUT IT WAS PRETTY FANTASTIC. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. AND THEN IF IT IS, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY UP TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE NEED TO GO STREET BY STREET. BUT IF IT DOES REMAIN THAT IT WOULD GO TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY HOME TRIPLEX NEXT TO SOMEONE'S HOUSE, YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN BE MADE AWARE THAT THAT'S HAPPENING. IS THAT IS THAT UNREASONABLE? I THINK IT DEPENDS. I THINK THE FOLKS IN THIS ROOM HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT IN THIS COMMUNITY. I WILL DEVELOP WHAT THEY WANT. I KNOW WHY, TARPON, YOU HAVE SOME SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY BUILDINGS. BECAUSE MY FAMILY BUILT THEM, RIGHT. BUT I THINK I WOULD BE CHALLENGED WITH THAT, AS OPPOSED TO A TRIPLEX THAT WAS WELL DESIGNED AND THE ESTHETIC OF WHICH MATCHED THE COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN I ASK A CLARIFICATION QUESTION? IT'S JUST A FOLLOW UP. IT'S A QUESTION THAT COMMISSIONER COLLINS MADE A COMMENT TO MR. BOWDEN, AND HE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT CITY PLACE TYPE DEVELOPMENT. AND I WAS GOING TO ASK EITHER MR. COLLINS IF HE COULD EXPLAIN THAT, OR IF STAFF COULD TELL US WITH REGARD TO DRAINAGE AND SIZES AND TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER THEY ARE CONDOS OR WHETHER THEY ARE SMALL SHOPS. WHAT IS THE CITY PLACE TYPE DEVELOPMENT, AND CAN IT BE BUILT ON A SINGLE LOT IN EAST STEWART? SO PART OF THE THE THE SALES PITCH HERE FOR KEEPING THE ZONING LIKE IT IS WHERE IT CAN BE THREE STORY IS WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT BE WHAT IT WAS DURING SEGREGATION WHERE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TOOK CARE OF ITSELF. THAT WAS ALL INTERNAL. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE DONE HERE. RIGHT? RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE ITS OWN SINGLE OR MAYBE TWO STORY BARBER SHOP AND SMALL SCALE GROCERY. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S ZONED AS, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S DOING RIGHT NOW. IT IS ZONED LIKE ALCOA OR CITY PLACE. YEAH. SO IT IS THREE. IT CAN GO UP TO FOUR STORY HIGH RISE. IT IS NOT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO TAKE CARE OF ITSELF AND SERVICE ITSELF. OUR OUR ZONING TODAY. RIGHT NOW, LIKE I MENTIONED IT WAS WHEN WE SAW IT WAS THAT. OKAY. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK. HERE FOR ALL OF YOU. IT'S 7:00. WE'LL TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK. WE'LL TRY TO RECONVENE FOR THE REST OF. PROBABLY. OKAY. LET'S SET UP. WE CAN REGAIN OUR SEATS HERE. WE CAN START OFF AGAIN WITH COUPLE COMMENT, WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT REASON WE'RE HERE TO HEAR FROM YOU. THANK YOU. JIMMY SMITH AND RICK SMITH. STAND. UP! OKAY. EXCUSE ME. EVERYONE, THE MEETING. BACK TO ORDER. AND THEN FOR THOSE OUT THERE, PLEASE, EVERYBODY BE SEATED. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE LOST. ACTUALLY, A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY. MADAM PRESIDENT. DAVID. DAVID HALL. [02:00:07] DAVID HALL, IS THAT IT? YES. GOOD EVENING, MR. HALL. MY NAME IS DAVID. I'M SORRY. I OWN PROPERTY. I'M A LOCAL REAL ESTATE BROKER. I OWN PROPERTY HERE IN PORT SAINT LUCIE. AND I'M NOT ALONE. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MY ARTICLE IN STUART. I'M SORRY. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I'LL JUST GET CLARIFICATION ON WHY DID YOU CHANGE THE DENSITY FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL? ABOUT 4300 TO, LIKE, 6000FT². I JUST NEED TO GET THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT, BECAUSE I OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS 1.1.11 OF AN ACRE. SO WHEN YOU CHANGE THAT DENSITY TO 6000, I WILL NEED TO GET ANOTHER LOT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON IT. AND CURRENTLY THERE'S TWO HOUSES BESIDE ME. THERE'S ONE ON EACH SIDE, SO I WON'T BE ABLE TO BUILD ON THAT PROPERTY UNLESS I TRY TO SELL IT TO THEM, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT. THAT'S NOT QUITE TRUE. MR. OFF THE RECORD. NOW, MR. MARTEL, COULD YOU CLARIFY SOMETHING ABOUT THE THE CODE WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION. WAS THAT MOVING FORWARD, ANY PARCELS THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE WILL NEED TO BE 6000FT². BUT IF YOU HAVE A PARCEL THAT'S CURRENTLY GOT A PARCEL ID NUMBER THAT'S 35FT WIDE, 2800FT², IT IS GRANDFATHERED IN AS A BUILDABLE PARCEL. THE INTENTION BEHIND IT IS THE COMMISSION DIDN'T WANT THE BIG DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND START BUYING UP LOTS AND USING THEM FOR OTHER PURPOSES, OR ARE GETTING LOTS THAT ARE IN EXISTENCE AND CHOPPING THEM UP BECAUSE WE HAVE NO MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN EAST SEWARD. YOU COULD SEE OTHER LIVES GET DIMINISHED DOWN SMALLER AND SMALLER. AT LEAST THAT WAS THE LINE. INSTEAD, THEY SAID EVERY SINGLE LOT IN EAST STUART THAT'S IN EXISTENCE AS OF SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024 IS DEEMED LEGAL AND BUILDABLE FROM THIS DAY FORWARD. BUT ANY NEW PARCEL ID NUMBERS WOULD NEED TO BE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, A MINIMUM OF 6000FT² PER FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. SO CURRENTLY THAT WON'T AFFECT IF YOU ARE A CURRENT OWNER AND YOU SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE, THEY STILL IT'S TRANSFERABLE, RIGHT? BUT IF YOU OWN IF YOU OWN A LOT, THAT WAS 10,000FT, YOU CAN'T DIVIDE IT INTO TWO 5000 FOOT LOTS AND SELL THEM BOTH AND HAVE SOMEBODY BUILD THEM, BOTH OF THEM. YOU WOULD BE NEEDING TO SELL IT AS ONE LOT, BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE UP TWO 6000 FOOT LOTS. BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T KNOWN TWO 5000 FOOT LOTS THAT HAVE PERSONAL ID NUMBERS RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE LEGAL. THEY'RE TRANSFERABLE AND THEY WILL BE PERPETUALLY LEGAL. WE DIDN'T MAKE THEM NONCONFORMING OR GRANDFATHERED NONCONFORMING USES. WE SAID NO. THEY ARE VALID USES AND WILL STAY VALID. THERE'S NO CONDITIONS. MY SECOND QUESTION WAS DELAYED. I KNOW PEOPLE WERE SPEAKING EARLIER TODAY ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, ABOUT AFFORDABILITY. AND I KNOW THERE'S A MOVE WITHIN THE STATE NOW AS FAR AS ALLOWING HOMEOWNERS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN THE BACK OF THEIR HOUSE SO THAT THOSE KIDS WHO MAY COME BACK HOME CAN'T AFFORD THEY CAN STAY ON THEIR PROPERTY. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. UNLESS I READ IT WRONG, IT WAS SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT ONLY ONE WATER METER PER UNIT ITSELF. THEY DID. THEY DID. THE COMMISSION SAID YES TO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, AND THE INTENTION FOR IT WAS, AGAIN, JUST LIKE YOU SAID. FAMILY WANTS TO HAVE THEIR KIDS OR SOMEBODY ELSE OR EVEN A FRIEND RENT OUT OUR BACK. THAT'S GREAT. BUT THE DESIRE BY THE BOARD TO HAVE IT BE ONE WATER METER WAS SO THAT YOU DIDN'T GET THE SITUATION THAT HAPPENED IN GOLDEN GATE IN THE 70S AND 80S. THAT WAS A MIDDLE CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN A LOT OF OUTSIDE INVESTORS BOUGHT UP ALL THE PROPERTIES AND STARTED RENTING OUT BOTH SIDES OF ALL THE DUPLEXES. SO THE CONCERN WAS THAT IF PEOPLE WERE ALLOWED TO DO ADUS, YOU'D GET OUTSIDE INVESTORS THAT BUILD A HOUSE UP FRONT AND AN ADU OUT BACK AND TREAT IT JUST AS AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY AND NOT BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY AT ALL. LIVE IN MIAMI OR ORLANDO AND HAVE ONE TENANT IN THE BACK AND ONE TENANT IN THE FRONT, AND THEY WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW EACH OTHER. AND IT WAS INTENDED JUST TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF THE COMMUNITY. SO THE COMMISSION SAID, IN ORDER TO MAKE IT PROMOTE OWNERSHIP AND RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE. IF YOU HAD ONE WATER METER, THEN THE PERSON THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY OR THE MAIN HOUSE COULD LIVE IN THE MAIN HOUSE, [02:05:03] OR FOR THAT MATTER, THEY COULD LIVE IN THE ADU IF THEY DIDN'T NEED THAT MUCH SPACE AND THEY COULD RENT THE MAIN HOUSE OUT, BUT THEY'D HAVE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER. AND IT COULDN'T JUST BE TWO RANDOM TENANTS, BECAUSE THAT WAY THEY WOULDN'T ABUSE EACH OTHER'S WATER PRIVILEGES OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. BUT THAT WAS THE LOGIC OF THE BOARD, BECAUSE WHAT I READ IN A PACKAGE THAT WAS ONLINE, IT STATED THAT THE OWNER, THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN LIVE IN THE ADU, IS THE OWNER OR THE OWNER TO BE ABLE TO USE IT AS A BUSINESS. BUT NOT SO. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE OWNER WOULD HAVE TO MOVE INTO THE ADU AND THEN. NO NO NO NO NO NO. EITHER ONE. BUT BUT BUT THE STATE IS GOING TO USURP ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES. IT'S ALREADY GOTTEN OUT OF THE FIRST SENATE COMMITTEE. THERE'S A COMPANION BILL. AND IT'S GOING TO SAY TO ALL OF UP FOR THAT. ANYBODY CAN COME IN AND BUILD A HOUSE AND BUILD AN ADU, AND WE CANNOT RESTRICT WHO LIVES IN THOSE. AND SO THAT'S THE REAL PERIL OF SINGLE FAMILY HOME ZONING, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE LAW IS GOING TO APPLY. AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL HERE IF WE'RE EXPANDING THAT USAGE, BECAUSE THAT'S A SUREFIRE GENTRIFICATION. IF THE STATE PASSES THAT LAW BECAUSE THEY WILL, THEY'LL BE VIEWED AS INVESTMENT PROPERTIES. WELL, NO, THE ADUS IS THE IS THE CURRENT OWNER. BECAUSE I'M IN TALLAHASSEE, I'LL JUST SAY THE LAW IS CHANGING, THAT THERE'S NO RESTRICTION THAT ANYBODY CAN LIVE IN A HOUSE IN THE MAIN HOUSE AND ANYBODY CAN LIVE IN THE OWNER DOES NOT HAVE TO RESIDE THERE. THANK YOU. NEXT I HAVE PAUL SKYERS. HELLO AGAIN, MR. PARISH. HOW ARE YOU DOING, MR. MAYOR? PAUL SKYERS 600 ALSO. HE'S STREET ADDRESS? MR.. I AM CONFUSED ABOUT, FOR INSTANCE, A CHALLENGE THAT COMMISSIONER REID WOULD HAVE ON HIS PARCEL ON AN. OKAY, SO MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND IF YOU COULD BUILD A RESTAURANT ON YOUR PARCEL, COMPLYING WITH THE SETBACKS, THE SEMI-PERMEABLE PERMEABLE RATIO AND THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS PER 300FT²? I THINK IT'S ONE PARKING SPACE FOR 300FT² IN A RESTAURANT AND HAVE A VIABLE BUSINESS. IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A BUSINESS THAT YOU WANTED TO SELL LIQUOR, FOR INSTANCE, AS A PART OF THE THE MENU, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A 2600 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT AT A MINIMUM IN ORDER TO GET THE ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO DIVISION TO GIVE HIM ANY KIND OF A LIQUOR PERMIT OR ANY. HOW WOULD HE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING TO SUPPORT 300 SEATS ON HIS PARCEL, WITH THE REQUIRED SEMI-PERMEABLE PERMEABLE RATIOS AND THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS FOR A RESTAURANT? HOW WOULD THAT WORK? ONE ACRE. YEAH. IT'S BULLSHIT. IT'S THE SAME THING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. ABOUT CITY PIECE. MORE BULLSHIT. THEY'RE SPREADING ALL OF THESE RUMORS ABOUT STUFF THAT YOU THINK IS COMING TO EAST STEWART. AND IT'S STUFF THAT YOU THINK IS HAPPENING. YOU DON'T HAVE THE DENSITY AND THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE PLANNING CODES IN ORDER TO DO IT. SO THAT'S A QUESTION THAT YOU CAN ANSWER IN YOUR TIME BECAUSE I CAN'T DO IT MY ISSUE IS WITH THESE STUART OLD AND STUART NEW AND HOW WE BLEND THOSE TWO EXISTENCES TO CREATE A PATH FORWARD FOR US. I REPRESENT THE TAYLOR PROPERTY AS A PART OF THIS THAT NOBODY IS DISCUSSING. YOU REDUCE THE DENSITY PROPOSED DENSITY TO 20 UNITS PER ACRE. NOW, THE ONLY THING WE CAN BUILD ON THAT FOUR ACRE PARCEL AT 20 UNITS PER ACRE IS HIGH END LUXURY APARTMENTS OR CONDOS. IF WE DO THAT EASTWARDS, THEN IT WILL GENTRIFY WITHIN 12 YEARS. MATTER OF FACT, NOT EVEN IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. IF YOU WANT TO MOVE ALL THE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE OUT THERE, YOU CAN CONTINUE THIS NONSENSE. BUT IF YOU'RE SERIOUS ABOUT HAVING WORKING CLASS FOLKS RESIDING IN A COMMUNITY ENJOYING THE BENEFITS OF LIVING AMONGST YOUR PEERS. THEN YOU NEED TO STOP THIS NONSENSE AND REVERSE ALL OF THIS ACTIVITY THAT YOU'RE DOING HERE AND GO BACK TO SQUARE ONE, BECAUSE YOU ARE KILLING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD UNDER THE GUISE THAT YOU'RE HELPING US. YOU'RE TELLING US, OH, WE'RE HELPING AND WE'RE LOOKING OUT FOR YOUR INTERESTS. WE'RE SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SO FORTUNATE AS A CITY MANAGER JUST SAID. [02:10:04] BUT YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE LYING. AND IT HURTS BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIVE IN EAST YORK. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. YOU DIDN'T KNOW. YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW BEFOREHAND THAT EAST AVENUE WAS A COMMERCIAL. BUT I'M NOT LYING ABOUT THAT. I'M TELLING YOU WHAT YOU WHERE YOU ARE, RIGHT? YOU. BEFORE THERE WAS. THERE WAS FOUR WEEKS AGO, YOU DID NOT EVEN KNOW THAT EAST STEWART WAS EAST. EAST AVENUE WAS A COMMERCIAL STRIP. WE HAD TO TELL YOU THAT IN A MEETING. AND THAT'S ON RECORD. YOU CAN LOOK YOU CAN LOOK THAT UP IN THE CAMERAS. IF YOU CONTINUE ALONG THIS TRAJECTORY TELLING TELLING FOLKS THAT YOU ARE LOOKING OUT FOR OUR INTERESTS WHEN YOU'RE NOT. YOU'LL HEAR FROM US IN DUE COURSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR HAS SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY 20 VERSUS 30 UNITS PER ACRE. UNLESS YOU WANT TO PUT THE RESIDENTS OF EAST SEWARD IN APARTMENTS OVER THERE. IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT BUILDING HOMES THAT ARE AFFORDABLE THAT PEOPLE CAN OWN, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE GOING UP TO 30 UNITS, 3 OR 4 APARTMENTS. SO IF YOU BROUGHT IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION FOR THE TAYLOR PROPERTY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT PEOPLE COULD BUY AND NOT JUST LIVE IN RENTALS, THAT MAY BE VERY POSSIBLE WITH 20 UNITS. ARE YOU NEGOTIATING WITH ME IN PUBLIC? I'M JUST TELLING YOU. SPEAK THE TRUTH. ARE YOU NEGOTIATING WITH. I DON'T MIND NEGOTIATING. TO FIVE IF YOU WANT TO NEGOTIATE, LET'S NEGOTIATE. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AT $250 A SQUARE FOOT, 30 UNITS PER ACRE FOR A HIGH RISE APARTMENT, YOU DON'T KNOW BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIVE OVER HERE. BUT LET ME SAY SOMETHING TO YOU. I CAN PUT A THREE BEDROOM, THREE BATH HOME IN A 1200 SQUARE FOOT SPACE. NOW YOU DO THE MATH. I WILL DO THE MATH. AND I DIDN'T DO THE MATH. YOU MULTIPLY 1200 BY 250 AND TELL ME IF THE AVERAGE PERSON BASED ON HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS HE'S, FEWER CAN AFFORD THAT. THE HOUSING IS EXPENSIVE FOR EVERYBODY. EXCEPT THE BULLSHIT. YOU'RE EITHER NEGOTIATING WITH ME OR YOU'RE NOT. ARE YOU GOING TO ASK YOU NOT TO SWEAR? OH. I'M SORRY. THIS IS BEING SO ABSURD BECAUSE I THOUGHT WHEN I CHECKED THE ROAD, I DON'T WANT TO START. ALL RIGHT? I THOUGHT THAT WAS ONE WORD I COULD USE. I THOUGHT THE OTHER WORD WAS. SORRY. IT GETS OUT OF HAND. YEAH. YOU WANT TO NEGOTIATE? LET'S NEGOTIATE. BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO THE MATH FOR ME, MULTIPLY 1200 BY 250 SQUARE FOOT AND TELL ME WHAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS. IF YOU TELL ME THAT SOMEBODY IS MAKING $40,000 A WEEK, AND YOU HAD THE ABILITY TO DO THAT AT 30 MINUTES BREAK ON THAT PROPERTY, AND IT HAS NOT HAPPENED, I GOT REJECTED BY MY CITY COMMISSION, BY THE CITY MANAGER. HE RAN INTERFERENCE ON THAT PROPOSAL. I HAVE SEEN IT. COMMISSIONER REED HAS SEEN IT. I DON'T KNOW IF, COMMISSIONER. I GUESS NOT. BUT I KNOW THE MAYOR. STOP THE NEGOTIATING. WE'RE NOT HORSE TRADING HERE. WE'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE'S LIVES. YOU SEE, IT'S EASY FOR YOU TO SIT THERE AND SAY. OH, OH, OH, OH. BRIGHT LINE IS COMING. AND ALL THESE RICH PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BUY THESE HOMES AND PUT UP CITY PLACE. IT CAN'T HAPPEN IF YOU IF YOU UNDERSTAND TRANSIT ORIENTED DISTRICT FINANCING, IT CAN'T QUOTE SAYS IT. CAN'T YOU SAY, CAN I GET FINANCING FOR A TOD DISTRICT ALONG THE BRIGHTLINE CORRIDOR RIGHT NOW? IS IT EVEN REMOTELY POSSIBLE? YES OR NO? YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS. OKAY. MR. SCARES YOU? I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANKS. I'M SORRY. ELLEN. ELLEN MCBRIDE. SOMEONE HAS A QUESTION. OH, GOOD. SHE'S COMING. I'M SORRY, MR. STIERS. YOU NEED TO COME BACK UP. COMMISSIONER, GOP WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION. SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. I'M SURE NO ONE SEES ME, BUT I HAVE A BIG MOUTH. BUT YOU'RE BEAUTIFUL. SAY HELLO. OKAY, SO MY ONE QUESTION IS AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DID MEET, BUT YOU'RE NOT. YOUR PRESENTATION WASN'T TO BUILD HOMES. IT WAS TO BUILD APARTMENTS. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. AND SO THOSE APARTMENTS WOULD HAVE BEEN AFFORDABLE IF ALONGSIDE THE CURRENT DENSITY AND IF WE WERE TO BUILD HOMES WITH THAT SAME DENSITY, WE COULD WE COULD MAKE IT WORK BECAUSE WE WOULD GET PATIENT CAPITAL. YOU CAN'T DO THAT AT 80 RIGHT NOW. WHAT YOU'RE FORCING US TO DO IS TO BUILD LUXURY LUXURY CONDOS, LUXURY HOMES. YOU'RE AFFORDING US TO BUILD LUXURY HOUSING IF WE DO THAT. [02:15:05] HE'S STEWARD DIES WITHIN 12 YEARS. BUT WHEN WE MET, I THINK WE BOTH AGREED. WHEREVER YOU BUILD TODAY IS LUXURY BECAUSE THE COST IS SO HIGH FOR MATERIALS. THE BANKS ARE NOT WILLING TO. I MEAN, YOU AND I HAD THIS DISCUSSION. YEAH. WE COULDN'T AGREE ON THAT, THOUGH. I SAID TO YOU THAT WE COULD GET PATIENT CAPITAL THAT TAKES US OUT 40 YEARS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THAT. WELL, MAYBE NOT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE AGREE TO THE COST OF BUILDING HOUSING WAS SO UNAFFORDABLE. THAT'S TRUE. WE DID AGREE TO THAT. RIGHT. SO IT WASN'T JUST ANY. STUART. WHEREVER YOU BUILD IT, IT WILL BE ASTRONOMICAL. THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO ASK. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK AT IT WITH YOUR PERMISSION, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL CENSUS TRACK. AND THIS IS WHY YOU'RE THE GUY WHO'S CHASING THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TRACT. THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT FIELD IS SANDWICHED BY AFFLUENT COMMUNITIES. SO WHEN WHEN YOU'RE IN TALLAHASSEE CHASING THOSE TAX CREDITS, THEY LOOK AT YOU AND THEY SAY, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE. IF WE CAST THE AVERAGE BETWEEN THE AFFLUENT COMMUNITY AND THE POOR COMMUNITY, YOU'RE YOUR INCOME PER HOUSEHOLD RISES. NO DEAL. TAKE THE EXPENSIVE TAX RATES, WHICH ARE THE 4%. SO DEVELOPERS ARE CAUGHT AS MUCH AS THEY WANT TO BUILD FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO LIVES HERE? THE PERSON WHO CLEANS THE TOILETS. THE PERSON WHO COOKS THE YARD. THE PERSON WHO PICKS UP THE BEDPAN. THE PERSON WHO HELPS YOUR PARENTS SURVIVE. THEY CAN'T LIVE HERE. THEY HAVE TO COMMUTE FROM PORT SAINT LUCIE. FROM. FROM PLACES SOUTH OF HERE AND WEST OF HERE. 000. IF THIS CONTINUES, YOU'RE SHOOTING YOUR OWN SELF IN THE FOOT. EVENTUALLY, YOU WON'T HAVE PEOPLE TO TAKE UP YOUR OWN BEDPAN. UNDERSTAND THE REALITY THAT I'M TELLING YOU. DON'T LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE TALKING STUPIDNESS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. YOU KNOW, CLEARLY. SO CLEARLY, CLEARLY, THIS COMMISSION NEEDS TO NOT ONLY COMMIT TO LISTENING TO THIS COMMUNITY. BUT WE NEED TO. THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW ME, I HAVE BEEN SAYING WE NEED TO MAKE A COMMITMENT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THE GOOD THING ABOUT THAT IS, IS, IS WE CAN PROVIDE A SOLUTION TO BOTH THOSE IN THIS COMMUNITY IF WE REALLY PUT OUR MINDS TO IT AND MAKE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE, AS MR. CHAVEZ INDICATES. SO. GOOD EVENING. RIGHT NOW, LET ME CRY. IN 1973, BOB AND I MOVED HERE IN AUGUST, AND I REGISTERED THE TWO CHILDREN AT JT PARKER. AT THE TIME, I THOUGHT THE KIDS WERE GOING TO SCHOOL, BUT THEN I FOUND OUT JOHN HAD WAS COMING OVER TO EAST STEWART FROM A SMALL TOWN WHERE THERE WERE NO BLACKS. A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT WE SAID THAT. BUT I CAME AND I WAS VERY SCARED BRINGING JOHN OVER HERE FOR KINDERGARTEN. AND LET ME TELL YOU, THANK GOD HE DID. I MET THE MOST WONDERFUL, CARING PEOPLE AND THEY JUST GRABBED FROM MY MEMORY. MRS. SOLOMON DID. SHE WRAPPED HER ARM AROUND ME AND SAID, OKAY, MOM, WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER. SO I'VE BEEN HERE NOW 52 YEARS AND THEY'VE BEEN IN MY HOME. I'VE BEEN IN THEIR HOME. WE PARTIED TOGETHER AND BEACH PARTIES AND ALL GOOD PARTIES. BUT THIS. THIS IS THEIR CITY. THIS IS THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. LISTEN TO THEM AND MAKE THEM MAKE A FEW CLARIFICATIONS HERE. I WAS A STAKEHOLDER DOWNTOWN WHEN THEY WERE HAVING THESE MEETINGS AT 2002 OR WHATEVER. AND BACK THEN I TOLD THEM THAT MRS LOUIS IS SITTING RIGHT HERE. AND I SAID, OH, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO WIPE OUT THESE STUPID MRS LOUIS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO CHANGE THEIR NAME EASTWARD. LIKE I TOLD YOU, IT WAS FOUNDED IN 1913. NOW, I ALSO SPOKE WHEN THE CITY GAVE AWAY THE LAND FOR HOUSING, AND YOU DIDN'T CHARGE THE FEES THAT THAT ORGANIZATION THAT BUILT THE HOUSE, HOW DID THAT FOR YOU? I CAN REMEMBER WE SHOULD HAVE PUT IN IT WAS FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, THE STORY, THE ONE HOUSE IN INDIAN TOWN. THE OTHER HOUSE WENT TO A YOUNG GIRL OF MY COLOR WHO DIDN'T LIVE IN THIS STORY, BUT YET IT WAS THE CITY LAND AND THE CITY FEE. NOW, I CAME TO ALL THE MEETINGS ON 10TH STREET AND THEY HAD MEETINGS HERE. I WAS AT ALL OF MR. BELLE'S MEETINGS. MR. BERKLEY WAS THERE TOO. [02:20:03] AND MR. BELLE IS TELLING THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. AND I SAID TO HIM, I'M NOT A LAWYER. I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL IN ANYTHING. I'M JUST A HOUSEWIFE. BUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEY DO. WE ALL TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER BECAUSE I'M INCLUDED, THEY ALL SAY. SO THEN WE CAN ALL HAVE ALL THESE MEETINGS, BUT THEY CAN TELL YOU. MR.. MR. BRINKLEY, WE'VE DONE SO MANY. WE THINK YOU LISTEN TO US, AND THEN YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD AND DO WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING. WELL. OH, MR. SMITH MADE A VERY GOOD POINT. YES. THE CHEROKEE MOTEL AND TAYLOR'S PROPERTY. THOSE STUDENTS WENT TO SCHOOL WITH MY STUDENTS. THEY WERE FRIENDS OF MY CHILDREN. AND WHEN THEY WERE TORN DOWN THAT THE CITY HAD BEEN TORN DOWN. WE ALL THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO BUILD, REBUILD PLACES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT THE PEOPLE IN EAST STEWART. WELL, I GOT AN EMPTY LOT IN THIS PROPERTY, AND I GOT AN EMPTY LOT AT THE CHEROKEE MOTEL. YOU GUYS PLEASE TREAT THESE PEOPLE WITH THE SAME RESPECT. YOU TREAT ME AND EVERY OTHER PERSON. EVERY DAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JUST. JUST TO CLARIFY. THE CITY THAT TEAR THEM DOWN. THEY WERE TORN DOWN BY THE OWNERS OF THOSE PROPERTIES. I HAD NOTHING. NO, BUT YOU CONDEMNED THEM. THEY WERE. YOU SAID THAT IT WAS. DID YOU SAY THAT SOMETHING WAS IN THE OIL? THAT THEY HAD TO MOVE OUT OF THERE? I WAS LIVING DOWN THERE. THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT. I JUST SAID THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT I HAD. SO Y'ALL ALL Y'ALL COME UP HERE, PLEASE. I HAVE, I HAVE THE. I HAD THE PROBLEM, I AM BURNING. ON THIS CHILD. AND I LIVED IN TOWN, BUT I WENT TO SCHOOL THROUGH A TRAINING SCHOOL, MARTIN COUNTY. I GRADUATED IN 69, SO. BUT MY SISTERS AND BROTHER LIVED IN THAT TOWN. I OWN MY OWN HOME IN ANY OF THAT. THEY LIVED HERE UNTIL MY PARENTS. I HAD IT TORE DOWN BECAUSE EVERY TIME SOMEBODY GET KILLED OR HURT IN STUART, I WAS TOLD YOUR PROPERTY WILL BE THE BLAME BECAUSE EVERYBODY WILL GO OVER THERE. SO THAT'S WHY I HAD TO TORE DOWN SO THAT WE CAN BUILD AGAIN. BECAUSE WE DID BLAME THAT PROPERTY, GOT BLAMED FOR ANYBODY THAT GOT SHOT OR ANYTHING THAT WENT BAD. THAT'S TRUE. AND IT WASN'T NOBODY EVEN LIVING THERE. THEY WERE ALL EMPTY. SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. I'M SORRY, ROD PETERSON. GOOD EVENING. BOARD COMMISSIONERS. CITY MANAGER, THIS IS VERY CONFUSING. I AM LIVE IN THE METRO AREAS. FOR 20 YEARS. AND THIS IS MY OFFICE. IT'S A SMALL, SMALL COMMUNITY. BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE AROUND US. STEWART ALWAYS TOOK CARE OF EACH OTHER. THIS COUNTY ALWAYS TOOK CARE OF THIS COUNTY, RIGHT? WE ARE FAMILY. WHERE'S THE LOVE? WHERE'S THE LOVE? THE NEW GENERATION PEOPLE. WHAT? IN REALITY, WE HAVE THINGS THAT HAVE APPROACHED US. RIGHT? MIND THIS RIGHT HERE. ALL I DO IS SHAKE MY HEAD. THIS IS TOO MUCH. HOW MANY ACRES IS THIS? HOW MANY BLOCKS IS THIS? THIS IS. THIS IS A HOME. THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. ALWAYS. BUT NOBODY'S NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT TAXES. NOBODY AIN'T TALKING ABOUT TAXES, RIGHT? NOTHING. COME ON. NOBODY AIN'T TALKING ABOUT TAXES. OKAY. GOD FORBID ANYBODY PASS AWAY LIKE MY MOTHER DID. MY GRANDFATHER DID IT. IT GOES INTO YOUR CHILDREN'S NAME, AND THEY BUILD SOMETHING. [02:25:03] A $10 MILLION. I'M JUST TALKING $10 MILLION PROPERTY SOMEWHERE. IF YOU CAN FIND IT, THE ASSESSMENT OF THAT PROPERTY IS GOING UP. I'M NOT PAYING $20,000 A YEAR. NOT ME. I'M JUST NOT. I MOVE THE SOURCE COIN. I'M LOSING SOURCE WATER. I'M LOSING PARK CITY. I'M DOING THIS COMMUNITY. I'M VERY QUIET, VERY OBSERVANT. I WATCH EVERYBODY WHEN I SAY EVERYBODY. EVERYBODY. I'M AN OLD COON BOY. AN OLD COON BOY? PRETTY MUCH. SO WHERE'S THE LOVE? WHERE'S THE LOVE? WHERE'S THE UNDERSTANDING? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS CLARK. MY WIFE KNOWS YOU. SHE SPEAKS VERY HIGHLY OF YOU, AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. MAN, YOU HAVE A LONG TALK. I'VE NEVER SPOKE BEFORE AND I ENJOYED THAT. THAT TALK WE HAD, I REALLY ENJOYED IT. BUT THERE'S A CHANGE IN YOU. HAS TO COME. IT'S NOT ABOUT MONEY. I'M NOT FROM HERE EITHER. I ONLY CAME HERE 12 YEARS. I'M NOT FROM HERE. MY GRANDFATHER IS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. I'M NOT REALLY FROM HERE. I CAN'T TELL NOBODY HERE. NOTHING. I CAME 12 YEARS. I'M A BABY. I'M STILL, I'M STILL. BUT THIS IS NOT MY ENEMY. THIS IS NOT ALL OUT OF HELL. THIS IS NOT JACKSONVILLE. THIS IS NOT TAMPA. IT'S NOT EVEN TALLAHASSEE. IT'S A SMALL TOWN. A SMALL TOWN WITH SOME BIG TAXES. AMEN. YEAH, I SEE IT. AND I'M COMING. I SEEN IT. DOWNTOWN ATLANTA. I'M SAD TO SAY, SADLY. TO SAY I HELPED HIM. THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY. JUST MAKE A CHANGE. PRAY ABOUT IT. I KNOW I DO. AMEN. LOVE EVERY LAST ONE OF Y'ALL, TOO. THANK YOU. ALBERT BRINKLEY. GOOD EVENING, MR. FRANKLIN. GOOD EVENING. HOW IS EVERYBODY? THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU ALL. AND IT'S ONE THING THAT THE CORINTHIANS NEED TO HEAR. AND THAT IS THE TRUTH. NOW, WHEN THIS FORM BASED CODE CAME ABOUT, I LOOK IN THIS ROOM. WELL, NOBODY IN THAT BUILDING THAT'S SITTING HERE NOW WAS. WELL, HE WAS THE CITY MANAGER AT THAT CITY ATTORNEY AT THAT TIME. MISS CLARK WAS SITTING THERE. MAYBE. MAYBE MR. PALM ON MY RIGHT, BECAUSE SHE ALWAYS AT THE BEACH AND MYSELF AT THAT BOARD MEETING AND THE TOPIC CAME UP WITH GENTLEMAN SEYMOUR PRESENTING THE FORM BASED CODE. AND THEY ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT IS THE FORM BASED CODE? AND I'M SITTING BACK THERE. I'M LIKE, IF THEY DON'T KNOW HOW IN THE WORLD ARE THEY GOING TO THROW THIS ON? HE STOOD. BUT HERE'S THE THING THAT THE COMMUNITY NEED TO KNOW. THE COMMENT WAS TO COMBINE THE CREEK DISTRICT, WHICH IS A BUSINESS DISTRICT. AND HE STOOD TOGETHER. HE WAS GOD BLESS HIS SOUL. HE SAID, NOBODY, NOBODY BUT PETE WATSON ME AND MYSELF. PETE WATSON FIRST SAID, WHAT Y'ALL DOING IS WRONG. CREEP IS A BUSINESS DISTRICT. EASTWOOD IS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. HOW IN THE WORLD YOU WANT TO COMBINE THE TWO? HE SAID, WHAT Y'ALL DOING IS NOT RIGHT. THEN I GOT UP AND REITERATED THE SAME THING. AFTER THAT MEETING, HE CAME TO ME AND SAID, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO TO YOU ALL IS WRONG. CREEK DISTRICT STARTED FROM CROSSING RAILROAD TRACKS TO US ONE. LOOK AT WHAT WE ARE. WE ARE A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. SEE, THE PLAN IS Y'ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND HERE. DON'T LOOK IN FRONT OF YOU. LOOK BEYOND. BECAUSE THE PLAN IS TO PUSH YOU OUT OF HERE. THAT'S THE WHOLE PLAN. AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE THE PLAN THAT THE CITY GOT IN PLACE DO NOT INCLUDE YOU AND ME. THIS LADY HERE HAS BEEN HERE ALL HER LIFE. YOU PUT THOSE THREE STORIES ON THERE. [02:30:06] SOMEBODY THAT DON'T STRUGGLE MADE THE LIFE OF THEM WON'T BE THERE ANYMORE. THAT'S TRUE. HERE'S THE THING WE ASK YOU. JUST LIKE MISS MCBRIDE SAID. MR. BELL AND MYSELF REITERATED A LONG TIME, BECAUSE WE ASK YOU ALL AND PROUD OF MEETING AND PUBLIC MEETING. WHAT IS THE FORM BASED CODE? WE NEVER GOT AN ANSWER. WE DID DIG IT. AND WHAT WE TOLD Y'ALL OVER, OVER AND OVER. WE DID NOT WANT THE FORM BASED CODE BECAUSE THAT WOULD SCREEN OUT GENTRIFICATION. AND WHAT DID YOU ALL DO? YOU VOTED FOR IT ANYWAY, WITHOUT OUR CONSENT. MANY TIMES I CAME TO THAT CITY HALL. LET THE PEOPLE OF COMMUNITY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. YOU ALL VOTED FOR IT. THEN MR.. I HAVE MUCH RESPECT FOR YOU. BUT YOU PARADED AROUND HERE WITH THAT SATURDAY REP FROM THE CREATURE ON THE CITY TROLLEYS BRINGING THOSE PEOPLE, MAJORITY OF WHITE PEOPLE OVER HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY, THAT WAS DEAD WRONG, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS BASICALLY WAS PUSHING, SETTING US UP, SETTING US UP, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE WON'T HAVE THIS COMMUNITY NO MORE. YOU'RE RIGHT, MR. RICH. WHEN THAT SUBJECT CAME UP ABOUT THE THREE STORY ON LUTHER KING, YOU SAID, ISN'T THAT WHAT THE FORM BASED CODE FOR? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WERE SAYING IT'S OKAY TO BUILD A THREE STORY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE FORM BASED CODE IS IN PLACE. THAT WAS YOUR WORD. YOUR GOOD FOR LADIES TO GO BACK AND CHECK THAT. AND I TOLD YOU IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE GUN COMPANY? THAT'S A HISTORICAL BUILDING. IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ALLOWED. THAT WAS A NIGHTCLUB. SO IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN CITY MANAGER. IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN. THAT WAS A HISTORICAL BUILDING. A NIGHTCLUB? THAT WOULD BE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT WOULDN'T BE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEN LET'S BE HONEST. IT WASN'T YOU. THIS IS SOMETHING I WANT YOU ALL TO COME OUT HERE SEVEN, 730 IN THE MORNING AND SEE WHAT WE GO THROUGH. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS NOISE EVERY SINGLE DAY. TRAFFIC, ALL THESE BIG TRUCKS FLYING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD. WOULD THAT BE THE RIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD? ABSOLUTELY NOT. WOULD THIS FORM BASED CODE BE OVER IN CRIPPLE CREEK? ABSOLUTELY NOT. WOULD IT BE ON DAUPHIN AVENUE? AFTER HIM, BUT NOT. Y'ALL NEED TO WAKE UP AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. THE PLAN THAT THE CITY HAS DON'T INCLUDE YOU AND ME. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND. YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE WHAT I SAY, BUT YOU NEED TO GET THE DOLLAR SIGNS OUT YOUR EYES. THAT'S RIGHT. COME TO REALITY. AND WHAT'S GOING ON? CUZ IT DON'T INCLUDE YOU AND ME. BEFORE THIS POOR COCO CAME UP. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT GOD HAS SOMEONE TO DO. STOP ME AND SAID, MISS FRANKLIN, Y'ALL BETTER KEEP FIGHTING CAUSE THE CITY FOR THE BRAIN DEVELOPERS UP IN THEM. AND WHEN THEY DO THAT, YOU ALL IS OUT OF HERE. THIS IS SOMEONE THAT HAD KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT'S GOING ON. IT'S BEEN ABOUT FOUR YEARS WHEN I WAS TOLD THAT. AND LOOK WHAT'S GOING ON. THIS WOULDN'T BE IN THE WHITE WHY Y'ALL LIKE MISS LUCILLE SAID, WE NEED HOUSING. WE DON'T NEED NO BUSINESS UP IN HERE. WE NEED HOUSES. RIGHT, RIGHT NOW I SEE EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE IS WALKING THE STREET. WHY? CUZ THEY DON'T HAVE NOWHERE TO STAY. SLEEPING IN CARS. WALKING IN THE STREETS. SLEEPING IN THE PARK. SLEEPING IN THE WOODS. YES. THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN IN A WHITE NEIGHBORHOOD. AMEN. LET'S BE REAL ABOUT THIS TIME. LET'S BE REAL. SO IF ALL OF US RIGHT NOW IS LOOKING AT CHUCK AND CHRIS, I ADMIRE YOU. WHAT SAY YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY, BUT I ADMIRE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND YOU ALL NEED TO LISTEN OF WHAT'S BEING SAID BECAUSE THIS PLAN DON'T INCLUDE US. LET'S BE REAL. AND ANOTHER THING WE GOTTA KEEP OUR EYE ON IS MARTIN COUNTY. YES. YES. WE BETTER SPEAK OUT, BECAUSE ANYBODY, WHEN THEY'RE DESPERATE, THEY'LL DO ANYTHING WHEN THEY'RE DESPERATE. AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THEY CAN GET MONEY FOR A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS HERE AND PUT THAT RIGHT DOWN THERE. [02:35:06] SO WE BETTER NOT TOUCH THIS CITY. WE BETTER BE LOOKING AT MIGHTY COUNTY, TOO. LISTEN, IF THAT BRIGHT LINE COMES THERE, WE'RE IN TROUBLE. AND I ADMIRE YOU ALL FOR NOT GIVING UP OUR MONEY TO $1 BILLION COMPANY. THAT SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE GOING TO GO UNDER. IT'S GOING TO GO UNDER BECAUSE I LIVE RIGHT HERE AND I SEE THE TRAIN. DON'T NOBODY BE ON YOUR TRAIN. I'M TELLING YOU. SO, CHRIS, JODY, Y'ALL DO YOUR JOB AND JUST GET ON BOARD. LET'S GET ON BOARD NOW. LET'S GET ON BOARD AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT. WE NEED HOUSING IN THIS COMMUNITY. THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE HOMELESS. YOU WON'T DO THAT IN NO WHITE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS STATE. SO LET'S DO WHAT'S RIGHT. SO SOME COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. GO AHEAD. I JUST WANT TO. YOU'RE TALKING TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND I WANT YOU TO MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY HAVE. NOW IS THAT FORM BASED CODE. WHAT THAT FORM BASE COULD DO RIGHT NOW IS THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. MY NEW TEAM THAT WILL BE WITH YOU ALL. UNDERSTAND ME, WHAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH. IT COULD BE YOU ALL THE NEXT TIME AROUND. LOOK WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN HERE. HOMES, BUSINESS CAN COME ON THIS STREET RIGHT NOW. WE ARE LIVING IN A SITUATION RIGHT HERE ON MY TEAM RIGHT NOW, THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS CRISIS EVERY SINGLE DAY. WE WEREN'T NOTIFIED. MATTER OF FACT, I'M WALKING DOWN THE ROAD. I'M LIKE, OH, THEY. OWN THIS PLACE. NEXT THING I KNOW ALL THESE TRUCKS IS PILED UP THERE. YEAH. WE DIDN'T GET NOTIFIED. WE DIDN'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT. THAT'S WHAT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU. Y'ALL BETTER COME TO THE REALITY OF WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE IT'S THE PLANS DO NOT INCLUDE YOU OR NOT. WE NEED TO GET ON BOARD AND OPEN OUR EYES. WE NEED TO STOP LOOKING IN FRONT OF US. LOOK BEYOND. BECAUSE AGAIN, I REITERATE, THE PLAN DOES NOT INCLUDE YOU AND ME. WE NEED TO GET ON BOARD AND OPEN OUR EYES AND LET THIS COMMISSION. LET'S DO WHAT THEY SAY. THANK YOU. MISTER. GO AHEAD. COME ON, VICE MAYOR. HOLD ON. I JUST THINK HE MADE A GOOD POINT WITH TAXES. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS PUT TOGETHER ALL THE PIECES HERE. AND WHEN THESE NEW THREE STORY, TALL, MIXED USE TYPE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND SPENDING 15 TO $20 MILLION, AND YOU'RE THE PARCEL NEXT DOOR. THE NEW ASSESSMENT COMES THROUGH. TAXES ARE GOING UP. ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S ONLY SO LONG THAT YOU CAN DEAL WITH THAT WHILE YOU'RE BEING OFFERED STUPID MONEY. THAT'S RIGHT. BEFORE YOU'RE LIKE, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. YEAH. AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING, IS THAT THOSE THAT OPEN UP TAXES GO UP. YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT WHERE YOU'RE AT. YOU BE ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN, AND ONCE YOU'RE OUT OF THIS COMMUNITY, YOU CANNOT COME BACK IN BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT. SO WE NEED TO WAKE UP, Y'ALL. WE NEED HOUSING. THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE HOMELESS IN HERE RIGHT NOW. I AGREE. I HAVE, I HAVE MINE. I GOT MY DAUGHTER AND MY GRANDDAUGHTER MAKE SOME FOR OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU GET MONEY. AND I WANT TO SAY ONE MORE THING CONCERNING THE HABITAT. THE CITY GAVE HABITAT SOME HOUSING RIGHT IN HERE. NOW, NOBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY GOT THOSE HOUSES. THREE HOUSES WAS BUILT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. NOBODY IN THIS NOBODY'S GOT NONE. ONE OF THOSE HOUSES. NOW YOU TELL ME. IS THAT FAIR? I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I CAN SHOW YOU THE HOUSES RIGHT NOW. THREE HOUSES GOT BUILT. ONE RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER OF TARPON AND CHURCH STREET. ONE RIGHT HERE ON BAHAMAS. AND UNKNOWN BABY. NOT ONE OF THEM GOT ONE OF THOSE HOUSES. THAT'S THE LAW FOR THE CITY OF SEWARD TO DISCRIMINATE IN ANY WAY. AND WHENEVER YOU DO ANY KIND OF HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OR ANY KIND OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT HAS TO BE OPEN TO ALL RESIDENTS. WE CAN'T LOCK IT IN TO JUST BE SEWARD. IT HAS TO BE OPEN TO EVERYBODY. THAT'S NOT OUR CHOOSING. THAT'S THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE BUILD. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE BUILD IT. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF SOMEBODY ELSE BUILDS IT. THE 1968 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT STARTED IT AND SAID, YOU CANNOT DISCRIMINATE IN HOUSING IN ANY WAY. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT. THE ONLY THING THAT THEY CAN DO IS GIVE A LOCAL PREFERENCE, BUT THE LOCAL PREFERENCE WAS GIVEN TO MARTIN COUNTY RESIDENTS BECAUSE THAT TO HABITAT IS IT WASN'T LIMITED TO JUST SEWARD AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. BUT WHO OWNED. THE PROPERTY FOR HABITAT. JUST LIKE I GOT MY HOUSE RIGHT NOW, I CAN SAY, CITY MANAGER, [02:40:02] I WANT TO GIVE YOU THIS HOUSE, BUT ONLY YOU GIVE SOMEBODY ONLY IF THEY LIVE IN THE STORE. BUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN SEWARD ALREADY LIVE HERE. AND HE SHOULD AND HE SHOULD HAVE A HOUSE. NO NO NO NO NO NO. EVERYBODY DON'T HAVE A HOUSE. NO, DON'T. EVERYBODY DON'T. EVERYBODY ALREADY LIVED HERE. THEY ALREADY LIVE HERE. THEY LIVING IN THE WOODS. THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. THEY LIVING IN THE STREETS. COME ON, I RESPECT YOU NOW. COME ON. NOW, LET'S AGREE THAT THEY DON'T QUALIFY AS ALREADY LIVING HERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AN ADDRESS IN EAST SEWARD. AND TELL ME WHY. TELL ME WHY. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THE CITY GOT RID OF THIS YEAR. CAN I JUST ASK YOU TO ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I'M POINTING OUT OUR HANDS ARE TIED. IT'S NOT THAT THE CITY DIDN'T WANT TO. WHEN WE GAVE THE PROCESS THAT YOU'RE LIVING IN, WE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE IT TO SOME STRANGER. WE WANTED PEOPLE FROM EAST STEWART TO END UP IN IT. THE WHOLE REASON IS TO BE DONATED. THAT LAND WAS BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS OF EAST STEWART. THEY ASKED THE CITY TO DO SO. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. THE CITY OF STEWART DIDN'T SELECT OTHER PEOPLE. THE CITY OF STEWART DOESN'T PLAY A ROLE IN IT. WE IT'S AGAINST THE LAW FOR US TO. BUT WE DON'T DO IT ANYWAY. WE DON'T HAVE THE. IT'S NOT THE CITY THAT MADE THE DECISIONS. THE CITY. YES. IT DONATED THE LAND FOR HOUSING BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS ASKED IT TO. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT DID. 100% OF THE LAND THE CITY OWNED. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. BUT HOW MANY TIMES DID I COME UP IN FRONT OF YOU ALL AND SAY, PEOPLE IS HOMELESS IN OUR COMMUNITY. PEOPLE NEED HOUSING IN THAT COMMUNITY. MR.. MR. BRINKLEY, WE ARE WELL AWARE OF THE HOMELESS PROBLEM. EVIDENTLY YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. WELL, MR.. LISTEN TO WHAT MR.. ONE PROPOSAL WAS BEING CONSIDERED WAS VERY AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHERE THE CITY GARAGE IS, AND IT WAS OKAY. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE SO WE WILL ALLOW ME TO FINISH. WE END. WE WE TALK TO THE DEVELOPER WHO HAS BUILT THEM ALL OVER THE STATE. I WENT TO HIS FOURTH ONE IN LAKELAND, FLORIDA. AND WE WE PRESENTED IT TO THE COMMUNITY. AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAID? WE DON'T WANT IT. WE DON'T. AND AND WE DON'T HAVE IT. AND TELL. TELL THEM WHAT? TELL THE COMMUNITY. WHY? BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T WANT IT. BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T. YOU COULDN'T. YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT. COULDN'T AFFORD IT. I TALKED TO THE GENTLEMAN. I TALKED TO HIM. IT WAS SO HOT. IT WAS SO HARD TO EXPECT. AND YOU KNOW IT. JUST FOR TWO BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH, $725. NO, NO, NO, IT WAS NOT THAT. WE. THIS YOUNG LADY, THIS YOUNG LADY, ME AND HER SISTER PERSISTENTLY SPOKE TO THE MAN. SO YOU'RE NOT BEING UNFAIR. YOU'RE NOT BEING HONEST. I'M BEING HONEST TO THESE PEOPLE. YOU'RE NOT BEING HONEST. OKAY, WHATEVER. AM I RIGHT? WHATEVER IT WAS, IT WAS GOING TO BE A ONE BEDROOM. SO SHE STARTED TALKING TO HIM. IF THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T WANT IT, THEY DIDN'T WANT THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS. IT'S OKAY FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, AND IT DIDN'T GET BUILT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T CONTINUE TO SEEK SOLUTIONS TO THIS PROBLEM. EVERYONE IS VERY WELL AWARE OF IT. AND MAYOR, HOW TALL WAS THAT BUILDING GOING TO BE? TOO TALL FOR THIS COMMUNITY? YES. FOR SURE. OKAY. AND YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE RENT WAS UNAFFORDABLE TO THE PEOPLE? BECAUSE I TALKED PERSONALLY. SHE TALKED HER. WE, THE WE, THE THREE OF US TOGETHER SPOKE TO HIM BEFORE HE EVEN GOT UP TO YOU ALL. AND I WALKED AWAY FROM HIM BECAUSE I TOLD HIM NOBODY IN THAT COMMUNITY WOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT. I LEFT HER TALKING TO HIM, AND THAT'S WHEN HE SWITCHED FROM A ONE BEDROOM TO A BEDROOM TO A TWO BEDROOM. IT WAS GOING TO BE JUST ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS. IT WAS REJECTED BY THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT WASN'T IMPORTANT. OKAY. IT WASN'T IMPORTANT. I'M SORRY, MR. BRADLEY. COMMISSIONER CLARK HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU MENTIONED YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE WAYS, THE WAYS THAT PEOPLE GET HOUSING DEVELOPED. ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE WAY THAT YOUR PARTICULAR HOUSE WAS BUILT IS THAT'S A GOOD MODEL, AND THAT YOU WANT THE CITY TO FOLLOW THAT FOR OTHER PEOPLE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? SEE, THIS IS. THIS IS WHAT I WANT. THE CITY. SEE, YOU GOT THIS WOMAN. MAYBE ABOUT THREE. HERE'S A KID WORKING AT MCDONALD'S. SHE CAME FORWARD NO, 12, $1,400 A MONTH. SEE, WHEN YOU USE THAT TERM. AFFORDABLE. AFFORDABLE TO WHO? SEE THAT AFFORDABLE IS BROAD, RIGHT? IT'S BROAD. SO I. I DON'T LIKE HEARING THAT. AFFORDABLE BECAUSE THAT WOMAN THAT'S WORKING AT MCDONALD'S CANNOT AFFORD NO 13 OR $1400 [02:45:08] RENT. THE DUPLEX BEHIND ME JUST TO MOVE IN IS ALMOST $6,000 JUST TO MOVE IN. BEHIND ME, IN THIS COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHY YOU ALL WHAT YOU GOT? DON'T LET A DOLLAR GET IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES. HOLD ON TO IT. HOLD ON TO IT. BECAUSE ONCE YOU OUT OF HERE, YOU WON'T COME BACK IN. MR. SCOTT LEIGHTON BUILD THOSE HOUSES ON MARTIN LUTHER KING FOR BLACK PEOPLE. RIGHT NOW, NO BLACK PERSON CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN THEM. AND IT WAS BUILT FOR THIS COMMUNITY. CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN THEM. ALMOST $2,000. JUST, JUST TO BE LIVING HERE. WE NEED LOW INCOME FOR THAT MOTHER BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M FIGHTING. GOD SEE GOD BLESS ME WITH A HOUSE. I'M OUT TO HELP SOMEBODY ELSE. BECAUSE EVEN YOU SELFISH GOD DON'T LIKE SELFISH PEOPLE. SO YOU GOT TO PUT OTHERS BEFORE YOURSELF. SO YOU GOT TO LOOK ON THE THINGS OF OTHERS MORE THAN YOU LOOK ON YOURSELF. AND SEE WHEN YOU WHEN YOU READ IT, ALL YOU SEE IS. YOU SEE, I'M TRYING TO HELP SOMEBODY ELSE GET SOMETHING LIKE GOD HAVE BLESSED ME WITH. SO I WANT TO SEE SOME HOUSES IN HERE THAT SOMEONE CAN LIVE IN AND NOT LIVE ON THE STREET. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS WOMAN WALKING DOWN THE ROAD WITH HER. KIDS DON'T HAVE NOWHERE. I GOT TO LIVE IN THE SALVATION ARMY AND SOME HAVE LIVING ON THE STREETS. THANK YOU. COME ON, LET'S BE REAL. THIS IS OUR COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO LIVE THIS. WE WANT TO HAVE THIS. WE NEED HOUSE. WE DON'T NEED THIS. WE NEED HOUSING. RIGHT? AMEN. AMEN. IT'S JUST THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH. GOOD EVENING, MR. COOPER. OH, GOOD. THAT'S A TOUGH ONE, MAN. YEAH. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS AND THE PUBLIC AT LARGE. WE, THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, ARE TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION, ESTABLISH JUSTICE, INSURE DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY, PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON JUSTICE, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, AND SECURE THE BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY TO OURSELVES, OUR POSTERITY. TO ORDAIN AND ESTABLISH THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. WELL, THAT'S. I USED TO KNOW THAT THE PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION BY HEART. THEY WERE TAUGHT THAT IN SCHOOL. IT WAS THE BEGINNING OF A DOCUMENT THAT WAS DRAFTED IN 1787, 1787 TO ESTABLISH THE RIGHTS OF THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE OPERATIVE WORD OF THE RIGHTS. RIGHT. SO WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THINGS THAT THAT HAVE BEEN TRANSPIRING AS RELATE TO COLD AND CONDITIONAL USE. WE'RE HERE TO SAY THAT AS A AS A BORN AND RAISED HERE STILL LIVING HERE IN THE CITY. THE ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL THINGS WE HAVE AS CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES ARE RIGHTS. AND, AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, THEY USE THE TERM WHAT WE CALL BY RIGHT. BY RIGHT MEANS SIMPLY AS A, AS A LANDOWNER, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO BASED ON THE THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING. SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU RELINQUISH THAT RIGHT, THEN YOU GIVE UP THAT OPPORTUNITY TO TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE RIGHT THAT'S AFFORDED TO EVERY CITIZEN WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. SO IF THAT'S NOT AN EFFECTIVE RIGHT, THEN I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE CONDITIONAL USE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT HERE TO TO BREAK DOWN EVERY CODE AND LAND USE AND STREET BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? IT'S VERY COMPLICATED. BUT I THINK IF YOU CAN SIMPLIFY THIS ARGUMENT THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT RESERVED WHEN THEY ESTABLISHED THE CONSTITUTION AND AT THE TIME THEY DID THAT, WE KNOW THAT AMONG PEOPLE IN THE ROOM WERE NOT BEING CONSIDERED, BUT WE MOVED FORWARD AS A COUNTRY. NOW, IF WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE COUNTRY AND GAVE THE FOLKS THAT WERE NOT IN THE ROOM THE RIGHT TO TO TO DECIDE WHAT GOES FOR THEM INDIVIDUALLY, THEM, THEN HOW DO WE GO BACK TO TAKING THAT RIGHT FROM THOSE FOLKS? SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IS THAT NO MATTER WHAT, WE GO FORWARD. AND SO WHEREAS THE DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING WAS THE FORM BASED CODE IS NOT A PERFECT DOCUMENT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE JUST TORCHING IT. WE SHOULD JUST BE VERY DELIBERATE IN MAKING SURE THAT IT IS AN EFFECTIVE DOCUMENT THAT CAN BE TWEAKED. SO I'M HERE TO SAY THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE JUST TOTALLY SAYING, OKAY, GET RID OF THE FORM BASED CODE. LET'S GO TO THE CONDITIONAL USE, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DENSITY OR LAND SPACE THAT SOME, SOME DEVELOPER THAT'S GOING TO SPEND, MAYBE TO BUY THE WHOLE DISTRICT. [02:50:01] I GUESS HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BUY EVERYBODY OUT. AND IF HE DOES THAT, THEN EVERYBODY CASHES OUT, RIGHT? ALL THE LANDOWNERS, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO BECAUSE WHEN WE WHEN WHEN YOU DEVELOP IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE FROM THE BANK. THE BANK. IT'S GOT TO MAKE SENSE. YOU CAN'T GET CERTAIN DENSITIES YOU CAN'T GET BECAUSE YOU GOT SETBACKS. YOU GOT TO STEP BACK DEVELOPMENT. YOU GOT WHAT WE CALL, YOU KNOW, YOUR FOUR AREA MAPS. THIS IS A THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT TIME MENU THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU CAN ONLY USE SO MUCH FOR, FOR, FOR FOR A BUILDING. RIGHT. SO YOU CAN HAVE 20 IF YOU GOT A MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA USAGE, 20,000FT², YOU GET DOWN TO ABOUT 6000FT² OF BUILDING THAT YOU CAN POSSIBLY PUT OVER 1 OR 2 FLOORS. SO IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED PROCESS, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT YOU RETAIN CONTROL WHEN YOU NEVER GIVE YOUR RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT IS FUNDAMENTAL TO YOU. RESERVES IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THAT IS AFFORDED TO EVERYBODY. SO IF THE SIU PROCESS, THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS IS ALREADY IN EMBEDDED IN THE FORM BASED CODE, IF YOU GET OVER CERTAIN YOU WANT TO DO A CERTAIN THING OUTSIDE OF THE THE STATE CODE OR THE LAND USE, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS ANYWAY, SO. BUT TO GIVE UP THE RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO EVEN CONSIDER THAT. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO CAME FROM A PLACE. WHERE THEY WERE RESTRICTED WERE RIGHT WISE TO SAY, I NEED TO TELL YOU, I NEED TO. YOU NEED TO COME GET PERMISSION FOR ME TO DO ANYTHING AS IF YOU CAN. DO YOU HAVE TO DO THAT IN THE ENTIRE CITY. BUT IF THE PROCESS IS A IS A, A SO-CALLED A DOME FOR EACH STUART, THEN I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE IN CRETE HAS THAT SAME DORM, OR THE PEOPLE IN THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT HAD THE SAME DOME, OR WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE PHRASE OF CRETE PUT THAT DOME CALLED THE CONDITIONAL USE OVER THE ENTIRE CITY, AND THEN IT'LL BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE, BUT IT'S AN UNFAIR BURDEN TO, TO PUT IT, JUST IMPOSE IT, SAYING, I'M HERE TO PROTECT YOU BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN PROTECT THEMSELVES. THEY DON'T NEED TO HAVE. CAN. I ASK YOU A QUESTION. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE. THERE ARE A COUPLE PLACES THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF SEWARD THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR A CONDITIONAL USAGE. CURRENTLY, AS THE CODE STANDS, WE'RE TALKING. YES. OF COURSE, CONDITIONAL USE IS A TOOL THAT THE CITY AFFORDS EVERYBODY IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE. YES, BUT IT'S NOT A BLANKET. IT DOES NOT EXIST IN A BLANKET PERSPECTIVE. DOES IT? DOES IT? COMMISSIONER READ TO ME MY POINT. IT MEANS THAT THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IS UNDER A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS, CORRECT? IN CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS, DEPENDING ON WHAT BUSINESS YOU WANT TO PUT THERE, YOU WOULD APPLY FOR A CONDITIONAL FOR AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY. NEIGHBORHOOD? NO. I'M ASKING YOU THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS PROPOSED HERE. TELL ME WHERE THAT IS. WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY HAS TO GO BEFORE TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. TELL WHETHER IT EXISTS ANYWHERE IN THE CITY IN ITS ENTIRETY. NO NO NO NO NO. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING TO ME THERE'S A BLOCK THAT HAS THAT YOU CAN DO SOME NONCONFORMING THINGS THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE TALK CONDITIONAL USAGE FOR EACH STORY, THAT'S SECTION THREE, RIGHT. FOR THE CONDITIONAL USAGE IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER URBAN AREAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR A CONDITIONAL. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. YES, YES. BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE IS TRYING TO DETERMINE IF PEOPLE WANT CONDITIONAL USAGE OR IF IT'S BY RIGHT, DEPENDING ON THE CONDITION. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS I MIGHT BE MISSING. WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS THAT THEY DON'T THEY THEY HAVE A RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT BY RIGHT MEANS. YOU'RE ENTITLED TO THAT. THE DEFINITION OF BY RIGHT IS YOU'RE ENTITLED, RIGHT? CORRECT. ENTITLED? RIGHT. SO ARE YOU ENTITLED TO TO DO IT BASED ON THE LAND USE AND ZONING? RIGHT. BUT IF YOU DECIDE TO GO OUTSIDE OF THOSE PARAMETERS, THEN YOU THEN HAVE TO GO TO A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS TO DO IT ANYWAY, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND THAT DOES EXIST THROUGHOUT THE CITY. ABSOLUTELY. BUT ARE YOU GOING TO ARE YOU ARE YOU TELLING THE PEOPLE YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, HEY, WHAT'S ALREADY EXISTING? WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. SO I THINK THAT THE PROCESS IF IT'S ALREADY EXISTING. SO I THINK THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS THIS FORM BASED CODE CAME AND EXPANDED THE USAGE. YES, THE MATH DID NOT CHANGE, BUT THE USAGE INTENSIFIED. FOR EXAMPLE, IT WAS CONDITIONAL USAGES BEFORE FOR BUSINESSES. AND THEN NOW IT'S BY RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO SO SHOULD SOMEBODY GIVE UP THE RIGHT. IS THIS LIKE THIS? THIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. PEOPLE RELINQUISH THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. SO THEY'RE NOT COMING, RIGHT? [02:55:06] THEY'RE COMING. RIGHT. WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THEY THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT. CORRECT. I THINK WE HAVE TO BEAR OUT. I THINK THE BIG DIFFERENCE, JOE. WHAT WE CAN DISCUSS IS WHEN YOU BUY INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW WHAT THE ZONING IS, CORRECT? YES. WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS THE ZONING AND THE INTENSIFICATION CHANGED AFTER THE FACT. THAT'S WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED. SO. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS ONCE AGAIN, IF IF, LET'S SAY STEVEN WILSON DEVELOPED HUDSON YARDS, SPENT ABOUT 26 MILLION ON THE MIAMI DOLPHINS. IF HE CAME TO EVERY RESIDENTS HERE AND SAID, HEY, I'LL GIVE EVERYBODY HERE, WE'RE GOING TO SPLIT $1 BILLION, RIGHT? NO MATTER IF EVEN IN THE PROCESS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO STOP HIM FROM DOING IT. YOU'RE NOT BUYING. YOU'RE NOT CORRECT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO CASH OUT, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO WHY DO YOU HAVE IN ORDER FOR THEM TO SO THEY DON'T GET THE RIGHTS. WHAT'S THE ISSUE? THEY DON'T HAVE TO GIVE UP THE RIGHT TO DECIDE. THAT'S THE ISSUE. THEY DON'T. THEY DON'T NEED BIG BROTHER TO IMPOSE ANY MORE THAN WHAT THEY NEED TO IMPOSE. THAT'S THE WHOLE THING. WE NEED LIMITED GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT AND RATHER DRAMATICALLY CHANGE THE USE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO COMMERCIAL BUSINESS USE. OKAY. THAT'S A BIG BROTHER. AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IS AT RISK OF NOT POTENTIALLY BEING A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T THINK SO. WOW. WHERE'S ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? WHERE'S WHERE'S WHERE'S ALL THESE BIG BUILDINGS? WHERE'S THE ALCOHOL? I HEAR YOU. I MENTIONED BRIGHT LINE EARLIER. OKAY. BRIGHT LINE. LET'S TALK ABOUT BRIGHT LINE. OKAY. OKAY. YOU CAN'T GET A SINGLE FAMILY HOME FOR UNDER $1 MILLION IN MIAMI RIGHT NOW. TECH COMPANIES, HUGE INDUSTRIAL COMPANIES, PEOPLE, BILLIONAIRES ARE MOVING FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO MIAMI. YES. AND WE'RE ABOUT TO PLUG INTO THAT ECONOMY AND THAT CULTURE. RIGHT. NO. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE SO RICH. BRIAN IS A SAUDI ARABIAN WEALTH MANAGEMENT. THEY GOT IT FOR $2 BILLION. NOW. THIS IS THIS IS. THESE PEOPLE ARE SO RICH, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT MONEY. WE HAVE NO IDEA OF THE LEVEL OF ECONOMY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO PLUG INTO, AND WHAT THE ZONING AS IT SITS THERE. THERE'S A HUGE RISK OF LOSING THIS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT'S YOUR PLAN TO AND YOU AS A DEVELOPER SEEK A PROFIT FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT? WELL, LISTEN, JOE, IF I WERE YOU, I WOULDN'T LISTEN. SO. SO WE HAVE TO. WE HAVE TO SPEAK. SO LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME, RIGHT? SO MY DAD MOVED HERE IN LIKE, 1956, RIGHT? HE BUILT A LOT OF ROADS AND HIGHWAYS. RIGHT. HE DID THAT. THEN HE HAD A BUNCH OF FAMILY, YOU KNOW, CAME FROM THE WAR. FIRST HE CAME FROM HE CAME FROM THE WAR. AND HE FOLLOWED A CAREER. HE CAME BACK TO A TOWN THAT HE WAS BORN IN AUGUSTA, GEORGIA. RIGHT. AND HE WAS HE WAS HE WENT TO SCHOOL WITH JAMES BROWN, BUT HE CAME BACK TO A CITY THAT DIDN'T WELCOME HIM. HE FOUGHT FOR THE COUNTRY. HE DID. HE SAID, OKAY, WELL, THE FLORIDA EXPANDED. THEY'RE EXPANDING. SO HE TELL THEM, SAY I MOVED ON AND SO ON. AT THAT TIME, HE HAD HIS FAMILY WAS BORN. HE HAD TO MAKE A WAY. RIGHT. AND SO MY MY DAD, HE WENT TO WORK AT ABOUT 12, DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OF AN EDUCATION, BUT HE KNEW HOW TO DO THINGS WITH HIS HANDS. AND SO WHEN HE WENT TO WAR, HE WAS A MILITARY GUY. HE MOVED DOWN HERE. HE BUILT LOTS OF ROADS AND HIGHWAYS. AND HE WORKED FOR A LOT OF FOLKS. BUT HE HAD A BUNCH OF KIDS. THERE WAS 12 OF US. HE SAID, YOU KNOW, MY MOM, SHE BARELY MADE IT OUT OF MIDDLE SCHOOL. BUT SHE BALANCED THE CHECKBOOK. AND THEY SAID TO US, GO FARTHER THAN WE DID. AND HE PUTS US RIGHT. AND SO WITH THAT HARD WORK, THEREFORE, TO ME, I HAVE AN MBA IN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S NICE. BECAUSE MY PARENTS SAID GO FOR IT. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO YEAH, IF I I'M IN THE BUSINESS OF CONSTRUCTION AND I'M PROUD OF IT. RIGHT? BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? BEFORE I CAME ALONG, THERE WERE NO BLACK GENERAL CONTRACTORS OUT THERE, RIGHT? BUT I KNOW THAT I BROKE THAT STORY. RIGHT. I'M VERY PROUD OF IT. I'VE WORKED ON A LOT OF PROJECTS, AND WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT BLESSING. YES, YES, I YES, I AM IN CHARGE OF THE PROJECT. IT'S A $100 MILLION PROJECT, BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD. BUT GUESS WHAT? IF YOU THINK THAT I'M GOING TO COME TO MY COMMUNITY, BUT I WANT. I WANT TO HELP MY PEOPLE. THAT'S MY FOUNDATION, RIGHT? MY DAD IS 93. IT'LL BE 94TH DECEMBER. I DO THINGS BASED ON MAKING HIM PROUD. RIGHT? OKAY. I WANT TO SAY TO YOU IS THE PEOPLE GET TO DECIDE, NOT THE CITY. OKAY? WE NEED FLEXIBILITY. BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY HAVE A COFFEE SHOP, GUESS WHAT? AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE GOING TO PLAY SHELL GAMES. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT THAT SAUDI ARABIA HEDGE FUND THAT'S NOT THE SAME. [03:00:01] PEOPLE GAVE JARED KUSHNER $2 BILLION ALSO. THEY DID RIGHT. SO ONE WILL HAVE TO COME IN. BUT GUESS WHAT? GUESS WHAT? IF BRIGHT RYAN COMES TO TO MARTIN COUNTY, THEY'RE NOT JUST COMING TO THE CITY, THEY'RE COMING TO THE COUNTY. IF SOMEONE IF THE MCCARTY WANTS TO BUILD A COFFEE SHOP AND ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THE HISTORICALLY STORE AND MAKE MONEY OFF THE RESIDENTS, LET THEM DECIDE THEY WANT TO DO THAT, RIGHT? THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. BUT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, THEY DON'T RESTRICT AND TELL THEM THAT THE BRIGHT LINE IS THE BOOGEYMAN FOR HE'S STUART. RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I HAVE CLIENTS DOWN IN MIAMI. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A BRIGHT LINE BECAUSE I SPEND HOURS, COUNTLESS HOURS ON THE HIGHWAY. YEAH. BUT YOU YOU HAVE YOU HAVE JUSTIFIED BECAUSE YOU MOVED HERE AND ALSO YOU GENTRIFIED THIS YOUR PARENTS GENTRIFIED STUART MARTIN COUNTY. YES, YOU DID, BECAUSE YOU MOVED FROM DOWN SOUTH UP HERE. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT GENTRIFICATION. YOU MOVED DOWN HERE TO THE FANCY HOUSE, AND YOU CONTRIBUTE TO THE LOCAL CHARGE. SO OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. THAT WOULD BE BAD. SO IT'S NOT OKAY. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS? I'M SORRY. MR. COOPER AND VICE MAYOR. YOU'RE BOTH. BOTH VIEWPOINTS HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED. COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. SO I KNOW THAT THIS IS YOU MENTIONED ABOUT COMMERCIAL. COMMISSIONER VICE MAYOR JODY, CAN YOU AGAIN PLEASE GO TO THE ONLY THING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TODAY, WHICH IS THE SNOW. AND GIVE ME THOSE USES UNDER COMMERCIAL USES. AND IF YOU COULD JUST GO THROUGH AND TELL US WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE AND WHAT IS IT? I KNOW COMMISSIONER COLLINS SUGGESTED WAS LET EVERYTHING BE ALLOWED IN EAST STUART OR LET IT BE A CONDITIONAL USE. THERE WERE SOME USES THAT WERE APPROVED BY RIGHT, BUT NOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ALLOWED. COMMISSIONER, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. OKAY, WELL, NO, I'M JUST SAYING WHAT IS IN THE CODE. WHAT IS WHAT IS HERE, WHICH IS THE CHECK MARK AND THE SEE YOU FOR EVERYTHING. AND I JUST WANT THIS TO YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. I WANT HER TO GO THROUGH THIS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, AND PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS. WHAT WAS UNDER THE BMU. CAN YOU ZOOM IN MORE SO THAT IT'S MORE SHE MIGHT LOSE IT. IT'S A COMMERCIAL. USES IN IN THE S O H. AND YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC WHAT WAS APPROVED BY RIGHTS, ART GALLERIES, SHOPS, BANKS, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, BARBER SHOPS, WHATEVER THOSE WERE. JUST GO RIGHT DOWN THE LINE, SAY WHAT THEY WERE, AND IF THEY WERE NOT UNDER THE PMU, OR IF THEY WERE NOT UNDER THE G, BUT NOW THEY'RE UNDER IT BECAUSE OUR COMMISSIONER ASKED THAT IT BE PUT THERE. NO, YOU'RE MISCHARACTERIZING WHAT I DID. I'M SAYING IT WAS ALREADY THERE. WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT I DID NOT SAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE EVERYTHING UNDER CONDITIONAL USE, AND I KNOW THAT. OKAY. PREVIOUSLY, IT WAS WIDE OPEN. YOU CAN DO IT WITH OR WITHOUT. AND THAT'S WHAT I SAID. MY RIGHT OVER THAT. MY RIGHT. I DIDN'T SAY THAT. I'M SAYING OKAY. JUST THIS. NO, I JUST WANT HER TO GO OVER THE LIST. NO. SEE YOU. THERE'S A THERE'S A RED. THE RED. THE RED IS THE NEW STUFF. BECAUSE I NEED TO GO BACK TO VIETNAM. EVERYTHING. YEAH, EVERYTHING THAT SAYS A NOW A SEE YOU HAS TO GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS. THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO BE BY RIGHT IN THE EMU AND THE, WHICH IS THE BUSINESS MIXED USE DISTRICT AND THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OFFICE IN THE SINGLE FAMILY AND HOME OCCUPATIONS. EVERYTHING ELSE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BOARD FOR CONDITIONAL USE. THE COMMERCIAL USES, PLEASE. SO IN YOUR VIEW, THE COMMERCIAL USES BY RIGHT, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE AN ART SHOP, A BANK, A BEAUTY SHOP, BEAUTY SALON, SPECIALTY SALONS, ON A BAR WAS ALREADY A CONDITIONAL USE PRIOR TO THIS DISTRICT CLASS. AND CATERING SHOP BY RIGHT AND CLUBS, LODGES AND RENTAL ORGANIZATIONS WAS A CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENT [03:05:06] PRIOR TO TONIGHT. COULD YOU ENLARGE THAT? LET ME SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT ENLARGE FOR YOU. IS THAT BETTER? CAN YOU SEE IT BACK THERE? THAT'S AS LARGE AS IT GOES. IF YOU WANT TO GET IN YOUR WAY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE. OKAY. YEAH. SO A MASSAGE THERAPIST ESTABLISHMENT IS NOW WAS BY. RIGHT. MICROBREWERIES AND CRAFT DISTILLERIES WAS A CONDITIONAL USE PRIOR TO THE HEIGHT OF HIS BUSINESS. PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL OR VETERINARIAN WAS BY RIGHT VALUE. RESTAURANTS, RETAIL SALES AND SERVICE. OR BY RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONDITIONAL. THEY'RE GOING TO BE NOW. CONDITIONAL USE WAS ALWAYS A CONDITIONAL USE. STUDIO ART AND STUDIOS AND EXERCISE ARE NOW GOING TO BE BY CONDITIONAL USE AT THE THEATER, INCLUDING THE DRIVE IN THEATERS IS A CONDITIONAL USE. IT USED TO BE BY RIGHT NOW WE CAN GO BACK UP TO THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OFFICE WHICH IS YOUR SECOND COLUMN? THIS COLUMN RIGHT HERE. AGAIN, EXCUSE ME, SINCE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NEW RIGHT, WHY DON'T YOU POINT OUT AGAIN ON THE MAP WHERE THE PMU AND CALL THE STREETS OUT AND CALL THE STREETS OUT, SO PULL THAT UP. SO WHAT DO. YOU GUYS THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE ALL OF THAT ON CARBON? THIS IS PRETTY EASY. OKAY, WE LET IT BE. HOW ABOUT BAHAMAS? THE BAHAMAS? BE RESIDENTIAL OR. MR. VICE MAYOR, WILL YOU LET HER ANSWER? RESIDENTIAL. BAHAMAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. COME ON. SHOOT UP HERE ON THE TOP OF. THIS STREET. OVER THE STREET DOWN HERE WOULD BE 10TH STREET. HERE WE HAVE TARPON, WHICH GOES FROM MARTIN LUTHER KING DOWN TO 10TH STREET. YOU GOT TO MAKE THAT BIGGER. I CAN'T ZOOM IN. I DON'T HAVE IT DOWN HERE. GOTCHA. HE'S STILL GETTING. IT OUT. JUST LIKE YOU WANT TO KEEP THEIR PLACES GOING. TO KEEP THEIR PLACE. HISTORY PLACE. THEY PLAY AREA AND IT'S LIKE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WONDERING WHY WE CAN'T DO THE SAME THING. WHY DON'T WE. SAY, OKAY, THAT'S IT. CHRIS, COULD YOU SAY WHEN YOU'RE GOING DOWN EACH ONE. SAY. SAY WHAT? THE MAGENTA COLOR IS ON EACH SIDE. WHAT THE GREEN IS, WHAT IT IS, WHAT THE LIGHT IS AS YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE STREET. I DON'T HAVE ALL THAT MEMORIZED. WELL, WE SAW THAT FOR YOU. SINCE EVERYTHING IS YELLOW, IT'S SINGLE FAMILY HOME. EVERYTHING THAT'S GREEN IS GROW RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL OFFICE. SO, TARPON ALL THROUGH HERE IS THAT THREE STORY COMMERCIAL? NO. NO. NO. SHOULD IT BE RESIDENTIAL? RESIDENTIAL. UNOFFICIAL POLL. UNOFFICIAL POLL. ALRIGHT. BAHAMA AND BAHAMA. RESIDENTIAL. NOW, HISTORICALLY WHERE YOU SEE PURPLE HERE ON EAST, THIS WAS BUSINESS. THIS WAS B1 AND IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THEIR ZONING. BUT ALL OVER HERE WAS RESIDENTIAL WHERE IT'S NOW YOU CAN DO THE THREE STORY COMMERCIAL. SHOULD THIS BE RESIDENTIAL? RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. 10TH STREET. ALL THAT GREEN ON 10TH STREET. RESIDENTIAL. RESIDENTIAL. AND. OKAY, OVER HERE WAS BUSINESS AS WELL. RIGHT. BUT GOING THIS WAY. RIGHT. THAT WAS RESIDENTIAL. THANK YOU. THIS IS EASY. WE LET IT BE EASY. THAT'S WHAT THE NAME OF THE. THAT'S WHAT MOST OF THOSE LOTS ARE TOO SMALL TO SUPPORT. YOU PIECE THEM TOGETHER AND THAT'S HOW YOU BUILD A WELL. IF YOU SELL. ONE I BROKE MINE. OKAY, OKAY. LET ME TRY TO REGAIN ORDER HERE. [03:10:03] NOTHING IS MORE COMPLICATED THAN CODE. IF IT IS, AND THERE'S UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. SO I SYMPATHIZE WITH YOUR CONFUSED. I DON'T THINK IT'S OKAY. OKAY. WHERE ARE YOU ALL GOING? WE HAVE TO BE VOTING TO PASS THIS TONIGHT. THE FORM BASED CODE. THE FORM BASED CODE ALREADY EXISTS. WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THE FORM RIGHT NOW. WILL YOU ALLOW ME TO FINISH? HEY, YEAH. WE ARE. WE ARE. WHAT A WIN TONIGHT. YES. YOU'RE EXPLAINING THIS TO US. YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE US UNDERSTAND THAT I'M I I'M ME. LIKE SOME OTHERS ARE STILL CONFUSED. I'M CONFUSED. WE DON'T. WE'RE NOT UNDERSTANDING THE PURPLE AND THE GREEN AND THE. I UNDERSTAND THE YELLOW IS RESIDENTIAL. I UNDERSTAND THE PINK IS BUSINESS. I DON'T I'M SITTING BACK HERE AND I DON'T KNOW ONE STREET FROM THE OTHER. THAT THING IS SO FAR APART, I CAN'T. I CAN'T TELL WHERE WE'RE AT. MADAM, MADAM. MADAM, MADAM. I HAD NO INTEREST IN US VOTING TONIGHT. I JUST WANTED US TO COME HERE AND LISTEN TO YOU. AND THEN COME BACK AGAIN. WHEN YOU TAKE YOUR NOW BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND LISTEN TO YOU AGAIN AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE HURRYING, WHY WE ARE PUSHING THIS SO FAST. OKAY, RIGHT NOW. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, UNFORTUNATELY, THE COMMISSION MADE A MOTION AND THE VOTE IS GOING TO BE. THE VOTE IS GOING TO BE TAKEN NOW. THEY CAN VOTE TO ENABLE IT. WE CAN VOTE TO MOVE IT AGAIN. BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. SO WE HAVE A WORKSHOP. WHY NOT JUST PASS. AND I AGREE WITH YOU. EXPLAIN IT TO US. BUT WE CAN I AGREE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT UNFORTUNATELY SO WE HAVE A COMMISSION. EXCUSE ME, DO YOU HAVE HOW MANY CARDS LEFT? I HAVE ABOUT 11 LEFT, SO WE HAVE 11 LEFT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE THE TIME TO LISTEN TO THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY WAITED A LONG TIME. SO IT'S 830. IT'S GOING TO TAKE AT LEAST PROBABLY AN HOUR TO HEAR FROM THEM. SO 44 MINUTES. WE'LL SEE. 44 MINUTES. YEAH. SO, MADAM CLERK, I AM CAROLYN BROWN. MISS BROWN IS STILL HERE. OKAY. NEXT ONE. THAT'S. CHARLES GAINES. MR. GAINES. JONES. JONES. CHARLES. JONES. GOOD EVENING, MR. JONES. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I THOUGHT I HAD SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO SAY, AND THEN JUST KIND OF JUST MELD INTO THIS. COULD YOU JUST STATE YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE? YES, SIR. 1802 SOUTHEAST BALLETTO STREET, PORT SAINT LUCIE. I THOUGHT I HAD SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO SAY, AND I'M JUST GOING TO TALK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BECAUSE ALL OF THIS IS JUST HERE. HERE IT IS. I DON'T HAVE THE EDUCATION OF AN MBA, BUT I DO HAVE EDUCATION. I ALSO GREW UP IN EAST STEWART, LIKE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE, GREW UP IN EAST STEWART. I'M NOT A DEVELOPER. I'M NOT A LAWYER. I'M NOT AN ACCOUNTANT. AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT A COMMISSIONER. BUT WHAT I AM IS A PERSON WHO HAS COMMON SENSE AND AT LEAST CAN APPRECIATE WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND ME AND APPRECIATE WHAT I SEE WITH MY OWN EYES. JUST LIKE I WOULD NOT TRUST A POLITICIAN TO TELL ME HOW TO PRAY, OR A PREACHER WHO TELLS ME HOW TO VOTE, I CERTAINLY DON'T TRUST ANYTHING THAT'S JUST PUT IN FRONT OF ME. AND I'M SUPPOSED TO ACCEPT THAT THESE COLORS, THE YELLOWS AND THE GREENS AND THE PURPLE, THE BEAUTIFUL COLORS. BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SITUATION AND YOU LOOK AT WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE IN ANOTHER TEN YEARS? IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AT EAST STEWART. THAT'S JUST A REALITY. HOW DO WE GET THERE? HOW WE DESIGNATE OUR USAGE, WHETHER WE PUT UP HOUSES, WHETHER WE PUT UP APARTMENTS OR MOVIE THEATERS. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HERE. THE REAL ISSUE IS IT'S A MONEY GAME. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S THE ISSUE. THAT'S THE PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE ME, WHO LOOK LIKE YOU. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S JUST BE REAL. THERE ARE WHITE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE SPANISH PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. [03:15:01] IT IS A MONEY ISSUE. THAT'S RIGHT. THE PEOPLE THAT COME HERE THAT HAVE THESE YACHTS, WHEN YOU DRIVE OVER ROOSEVELT BRIDGE IN THESE SUPER YACHTS, YOU LOOK AROUND AND YOU SEE ALL THIS CONSTRUCTION THAT'S HAPPENING. WHERE DO YOU THINK IT'S. WHO IS IT IMPACTING? IT'S IMPACTING US. I GREW UP IN THESE STREETS. I RAN THESE STREETS. BAYVIEW AVENUE IS WHERE I GREW UP. 909 BAYVIEW AVENUE, RIGHT NEXT TO MOUNT CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH. THAT'S WHERE I GREW UP. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS DYING. THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ON ITS LAST LEG. THERE'S NO COMMUNITY LIKE IT WAS WHEN I GREW UP. DOES THAT MATTER ANYMORE? YEAH. IS THAT NOT IMPORTANT? YEAH. THE ONLY THING TO ME THAT SEEMS TO BE IMPORTANT IS MONEY. AND WHOSE INTEREST IT SERVES. IT'S NOT SERVING US. WE KNOW WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE KNOW WE NEED SOMETHING THAT GIVES EVERYONE A FAIR CHANCE, OR AT LEAST A CHANCE TO BUILD THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING, BUT AT WHAT DETRIMENT TO US AND OUR INTERESTS? GENTRIFICATION. THAT'S OKAY. I FIND IT INSULTING WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR NATION. YOU HAVE A PRESIDENT. YOU HAVE A GOVERNOR WHO ARE DOING EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN IN THEIR RIGHT TO DESTROY DIVERSITY WHEN IT BENEFITS US, BUT WHEN IT IMPACTS US IN A NEGATIVE MANNER, SUCH AS, OH, LET'S LET EVERYONE COME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN WE DIE A SLOW DEATH BY GENTRIFICATION. HOW DOES THAT HELP US? HOW DOES THAT BENEFIT US? WE CAN GO ALL AROUND, ALL NIGHT, AND EVERYONE CAN GIVE THEIR OPINIONS. BUT THE HONEST TRUTH IS JUST THIS. THIS COMMUNITY IS NOT GOING TO BE HERE. SO WHAT'S THE SOLUTION? HOW DO YOU HELP US? HELP YOU? WHAT IS THE COMMON GROUND TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE DON'T COME IN AND TURN THIS INTO A CITY PLACE, THAT WE MAINTAIN THE GROWTH, BUT WE DO IT. WILL WE HAVE AN INPUT? RIGHT? WHERE'S THE LEGAL LEG FOR US TO STAND ON SO THAT WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY? THERE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS HERE IN STUART. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE INTERESTS. I'M SORRY IF I'M BORING YOU, MAYOR, BECAUSE YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE DOZING OFF. I'M SORRY. I JUST WANT TO KNOW. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE IS OUR COMMON GROUND? STUART. E STUART, THE NAME CHANGE. DON'T FORGET SOMETHING. YOU KNOW WHAT THIS PLACE USED TO BE CALLED? COLOR TOWN. IT WAS CALLED COLORED TOWN. YEAH, THAT'S OUR HISTORY. COLORED TOWN. COLORED TOWN. WHERE DO YOU CHANGE YOUR NAME? WHETHER YOU TRY TO TAKE THE PEOPLE OUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU DO. THERE HAS TO BE A COMMON GROUND. WHAT IS OUR COMMON GROUND? WE WANT TO KEEP THE PEOPLE HERE. WE DON'T WANT EVERYONE. AND WE DON'T WANT THIS CRAZY GROWTH. WE WANT SOMETHING THAT IS FAIR AND JUST. WE ALSO NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I FIND THAT, AND I FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE TO BELIEVE THAT WITH ALL THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT ARE COMING IN HERE AND WE WANT TO REDEVELOP, WE CAN'T REFURBISH, WE CAN'T BUILD UPON WHAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT. WHY DO WE HAVE TO TEAR DOWN AND BUILD UP TO MAKE SOMETHING NEW FOR SOMEONE ELSE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THAT ADVANCED EDUCATION. I HAVE SOME EDUCATION. I HAVE A HOUSE THAT I OWN. BUT I TELL YOU WHAT, THIS IS MY TRUE STORY. AND THIS IS MY TRUTH. MY MORTGAGE HAS GONE UP $800 A MONTH. I HAVE A GOOD JOB. I'M OKAY. I MAKE IT HAPPEN. BUT EVERYONE IS NOT IN THE SAME POSITION AS ME. SO WHAT DO THOSE PEOPLE DO? I HAVE FAMILY, I HAVE COUSINS AND NEPHEWS AND NIECES AND AUNTS, AND I WATCH THEIR SITUATION. AND THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO TO PERSONALLY HELP THEM BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT. BUT AREN'T WE SUPPOSED TO LOOK TO OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND OUR LEADERS TO HELP US? NOT FOR THEM TO TAKE WHAT WE HAVE AND GIVE THAT TO SOMEONE ELSE. I WANT TO SAY THIS IF YOU THINK THAT A STEWARD IS NOT VALUABLE, IF YOU THINK THAT EACH STEWARD IS NOT DESIRED AND WANTED, YOU ARE FOOLING YOURSELF. LOOK AT THE LOCATION OF WHERE WE ARE AT FIVE MINUTES FROM THE BEACH. YOU CAN GO TO THE MALL. OUR LOCATION. IT IS BEAUTIFUL. YOU THINK PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO COME IN HERE AND TAKE THIS? OH COME ON. SO ALL OF THE TALK, WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING OVER OUR HEADS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS BEING SAID, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS. WHAT DO WE DO TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE TO BUILD IT, BUT NOT BRING OTHER PEOPLE IN AND TAKE IT AWAY FROM US? AND WHAT DO WE DO TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS? THAT'S THE ISSUE. SO I'M GOING TO ASK THAT THIS VOTE BE TABLED. YES. UNTIL WE CAN COME TO A SOLUTION TOGETHER. AND IF WE HAVE TO MEET AND IF WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS, THEN THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. [03:20:03] BUT WE HAVE TO BE HER PEOPLE. WE HAVE TO BE HEARD, AND WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT WHAT WE HAVE IS NOT TAKEN FROM US. THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. MR. CLARK. HELLO. HELLO, MR.. HELLO, COMMISSIONER. HELLO, MR. JONES. HELLO. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU THINK THAT A WAY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WOULD BE HAVING MULTIFAMILY. THAT WOULD BE LIKE APARTMENT BUILDINGS OR CONDOS OR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. I'M NOT REALLY QUALIFIED TO ANSWER THAT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU HOW I FEEL PERSONALLY. I THINK LOW INCOME HOUSING, PROBABLY SINGLE, WOULD BE THE EASIEST TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS. SMALL HOUSES? YES. YEAH. AT LEAST SOMETHING. BUT WHEN YOU SEE RENTS THAT ARE $1,500 FOR A SMALL APARTMENT. 18 2000. YEAH. I MEAN, WHO COULD AFFORD THAT? WHO COULD AFFORD THAT? I WORK IN MEDICINE. I DO OKAY, BUT I CAN'T PAY $1,800 $1,900 FOR AN APARTMENT. BUT HOW CAN I EXPECT MY SISTERS OR MY BROTHERS TO DO THE SAME? I CAN'T. WE ALL GREW UP IN THIS PLACE. WE ARE COMMUNITY. THERE'S A REASON WHY EASTER WAS PUT HERE. YOU KNOW THE STORY BEHIND EASTER. WE WERE PUT HERE BECAUSE IT HAD TO BE AN AREA THAT WAS CARVED OUT FOR THE COLORED PEOPLE, SO WE COULD BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY SO WE COULD WALK TO THEIR HOUSES AND CLEAN THEIR, CLEAN THEIR HOUSES, DO THEIR LAUNDRY, BE THEIR MAIDS, AND CUT THEIR GRASS. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENTION OF EASTER. LOOK ALONG THE COAST OF THE TREASURE COAST. ALL THE COMMUNITIES, RIO GOMEZ. I'M JUST. I'M JUST SPEAKING THE TRUTH. AND IT'S RACE BASED. BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, IT MAY BE 2025, BUT IT'S NOT 2025. IN SOME WAYS, ALL THE WAY, WE'RE LOSING WHAT IS VALUABLE. WE'RE LOSING OUR COMMUNITY. MAYBE THAT MEANS NOTHING TO EITHER ONE OF YOU. AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I HONESTLY DON'T THINK YOU ARE CALLOUS PEOPLE. BUT MONEY HAS A FUNNY WAY OF MAKING PEOPLE SAY AND DO THINGS THAT THEY NORMALLY WOULD NOT DO. LET'S SAY I DO HAVE A QUESTION, MR. JOHNSON. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TONIGHT, THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE, THE ENTIRE REASON THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING, IF THESE TWO ITEMS ARE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR YOUR OPINION, IS SO THAT WE CAN DO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FROM BECOMING CITYPLACE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE, TO GET INPUT FROM YOU. SO YOU'RE SAYING, HOW DO WE DO THIS? WHAT'S WHAT'S THE SOLUTION? WE'RE TRYING TO OFFER THAT SOLUTION. GET SOME CONSENSUS FROM EVERYBODY. AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME DIVISION, BUT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WANT US TO MAKE THESE MORE INTENSIVE USES THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS. SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS INPUT AND CAN BE NOTIFIED. THEN US VOTING YES ON THIS WOULD DO THAT. ABRAHAM PUSHES IT AND KICKS THE CAN POTENTIALLY TO WHO KNOWS. SO WE HAVE FOREVER MEETINGS CONSTANTLY. THE MAP THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH CHANGING THE DIFFERENT STREETS IS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION. BUT THE MOTION THAT IS IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW, FOR CLARIFICATION IS, DO WE MAKE THESE MORE INTENSIVE USES HAVE TO GO TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS? IT'S MORE INTENSIVE THAN SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX, AND WE MAKE IT GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. IT'S MIXED USE APARTMENTS. IF IT'S THREE STORIES, 35, 40FT, DO WE MAKE IT GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS OR NOT? US CONDITIONAL USE OUR ATTEMPT TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS INVOLVED IN THAT, SO THAT THERE ARE NO SURPRISES. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TONIGHT. TABLING IT KICKS THE CAN IF YOU WANT TO. IF YOU WANT TO DEVELOP THIS TABLE, THERE'S ANY PLACE YOU WANTED TO. ALL ALL, ALL, ALL I CAN DO IS EXPRESS MY OPINION. AND ALL I CAN DO IS EXPRESS MY OPINION. AS SOMEONE WHO GREW UP HERE AND WALKED AND RAN AND PLAYED ON THESE STREETS. IF IT WERE YOUR COMMUNITY, HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS IT? I WOULD I WOULD PUT THIS BACK TO RESIDENTIAL LIKE IT WAS BEFORE 2002, AND I WOULD HAVE THESE MORE INTENSIVE USES BE UNDER CONDITIONAL USE. EXACTLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO OFFER. YOU KNOW. MY MY MY MY I GUESS MY MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS THIS. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT AN EASY QUESTION AND IT DOESN'T HAVE EASY ANSWERS, BUT IF IT HELPS SAFEGUARD WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO HOLD ON TO, THEN I AM FOR THAT. [03:25:03] IT MAY NOT BE COMPLETELY WHAT WE WANT, BUT IF IT SAFEGUARDS AND HOLDS ON TO WHAT WE WANT. THAT'S SOMETHING I'M WILLING TO DO. NOW, AGAIN, THIS IS MY OPINION. EVERYONE HAS THEIR OPINION. EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO SPEAK HOW THEY WANT TO. BUT AGAIN, I WILL SAY THIS. I GREW UP HERE. I WALKED AND RAN AND PLAYED IN THESE STREETS. I LIVED IN MARTIN COUNTY. I HAD AN EDUCATION AND I HAD COMMON SENSE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. AND I HAVE A VOICE JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS A VOICE. IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO USE YOUR VOICE, YOU SHOULD USE YOUR VOICE TO SPEAK OUT. REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS. YOU SHOULDN'T SPEAK. YOU SHOULD HAVE A VOICE AND YOU SHOULD SPEAK. AGAIN, IF IT'S GOING TO SAFEGUARD WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO HOLD ON TO, WHICH IS OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH TO ME IS PARAMOUNT. AND. IT LIMITS AND CAUSES ADDITIONAL COSTS. I'M SORRY. COULD YOU SAY YES? YES. SO, SIR, CAN I ASK YOU ONE QUESTION? YES, SIR. YOU SAID THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS DYING. IS THAT CORRECT? DID YOU MAKE THAT STATEMENT? I DID. AND WHY DID YOU SAY THAT? IT IS. IT IS. WELL, LET ME LET ME LET ME HELP. I REMEMBER WHEN CHEROKEE WAS EXISTING. CHEROKEE WAS THE HEART OF THE STORY. ONCE CHEROKEE LEFT, PRETTY MUCH THERE WERE A LOT OF CHANGES ALSO. TEN YEARS AGO, WHEN I LIKE TO CALL IT THE CONQUEST. WHEN THAT STARTED, WHEN YOU STARTED SUDDENLY SEEING DEVELOPERS AND PEOPLE COMING AND OFFERING YOU MONEY TO SELL YOUR PROPERTY. A LOT OF PEOPLE TOOK THAT MONEY AND THEY LEFT. WHEN THE PEOPLE LEAVE AND YOU LOSE THAT COMMUNITY BECAUSE, HEY, IF I DANGLE SOMETHING OVER YOU, I MAY NOT KNOW ANY BETTER. YOU'RE GOING TO OFFER ME AN AMOUNT OF MONEY. AND I GO, MAN, THAT LOOKS GOOD. NOT THINKING ABOUT THE LONG TERM IMPLICATIONS THAT, WOW, I SOLD MYSELF SHORT, BUT WHO DID I SELL MYSELF SHORT FOR? I DIDN'T SELL MYSELF SHORT FOR MY PEOPLE. I SOLD MYSELF SHORT FOR THE PROPERTY THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS GOING TO HAVE. AND AS MR. BRINKLEY SAID, ONCE YOU GET OUT, YOU CAN'T GET BACK IN. SO, YES, THE COMMUNITY IS DYING. FAMILIES THAT I HAVE KNOWN SINCE I WAS A KID GONE MY OWN NIECES AND NEPHEWS WHO GREW UP HERE CAN'T LIVE HERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE TO LIVE. THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT. THEY CAN'T. THEY DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVEN HAVE DECENT JOBS HERE. WHEN WAS THIS VIBRANT CITY THAT USED TO BE THE BLUE POND? LIKE WHERE THE BUSINESSES THAT USED TO BE ALONG MARTIN LUTHER KING. SIR, I LIVED HERE. I CAN SEE WITH MY EYES. IT IS DYING AND IT'S BLEEDING OUT. IT'S BLEEDING OUT. BUT WHAT USED TO BE. SO JUST LET ME. MOST OF THE VACANT LAND IN EAST STEWART IN SINGLE FAMILY. THIS HAS BEEN HIS OWN SINGLE FAMILY FOR A LONG TIME. SO? SO WHY AND WHERE? I GUESS MY QUESTION HERE IS THIS. THEN WHERE? WHERE WHERE ARE THEY? NO NO NO. SO THIS IS THIS IS MY QUESTION. THEN WHY HASN'T THAT LAND BEEN USED TO TURN INTO SOMETHING, TO MAKE IT INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE PEOPLE OUT HERE? IF THAT'S THE CASE, BECAUSE THE LAND HAS SAT HERE BARREN. IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR YEARS. TO ME, AGAIN, IT COMES DOWN TO MONEY AND IT COMES DOWN TO AGAIN. SIR, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, HE'S STEWART IS NOT GOING TO BE AROUND IN ANOTHER TEN YEARS. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT. MAYBE IT'S NICE THAT OTHER PEOPLE WILL COME IN AND GO, WOW, THIS IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL PLACE AND I LOVE THIS LOCATION AND PROXIMITY TO EVERYTHING. BUT WHERE ARE OUR FAMILIES? WHERE ARE OUR PEOPLE GOING TO BE? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE HERE. WHERE CAN THEY GO? YOU DRIVE IT OUT AND LET OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE MONEY COME IN TO TAKE IT. OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. BUT THEN WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DISPLACED? WHERE DO THEY GO? WHAT DO YOU DO? THAT'S. TO ME, THAT'S JUST COMMON SENSE. AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR. I KNOW THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SIT HERE AND DISCUSS AD NAUSEAM AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TONIGHT, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. THESE ARE COMPLEX ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THERE'S NO SIMPLE ANSWER TO THEM, BUT THERE HAS TO BE AT LEAST A MIDDLE GROUND TO AT LEAST SATISFY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THE COMMUNITY OF THE STORY WE'RE TRYING TO DO. I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. JONES? THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD. THERE IS NO EASY ANSWER. I DON'T THINK TABLING THE SITUATION IS GOING TO HELP. WHAT I DO BELIEVE IS THAT SAID. HE SAID AFFORDABLE HOUSING, LOW INCOME HOUSING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE NEEDED. [03:30:05] AND IF WE'RE GOING TO GET TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY AGAIN AND WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IT IN WORKSHOPS, WE NEED TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY GET RID OF THE FORM BASED CODE AND GO WITH THE NEW CODE AND MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. AND I WILL TELL YOU QUICKLY, I GREW UP IN A NEIGHBORHOOD SIMILAR TO EAST STUART. IT WAS AN ITALIAN, IRISH, SPANISH NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE WERE PEOPLE IN THE SHOPS. THE PEOPLE ON THE SHOPS WERE UPSTAIRS. THERE WAS A COMMUNITY, THERE WERE VIDEOS. THERE WERE THE ITALIAN FOOD SHOPS AND BAKERIES, ALL OF THAT, AND EVERYONE ELSE LIVED THERE. UNFORTUNATELY, AS THE OLDER PEOPLE LEFT, THEIR CHILDREN DIDN'T WANT TO LIVE THERE AND STARTED SELLING OFF THOSE BROWNSTONES. SO HONESTLY, IT DID BECOME GENTRIFIED. THE PEOPLE FROM MANHATTAN MOVED IN. NOW THAT THOSE BROWNSTONES ARE NOW WORTH SIX $7 MILLION, RENTS ARE $5,000. AND THE PEOPLE WHO USED TO LIVE ABOVE THE STORES, WHO OWN THEM, OLDER. THOSE ARE LITTLE APARTMENTS THAT CUT UP INTO STUDIOS THAT GO FOR LIKE 3 OR $4000 A MONTH. SO I COMMEND THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT TO KEEP A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS GOING. AND I THINK THAT WE ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT, AND WE'RE TRYING TO HELP YOU CONTINUE THAT. AND I THINK IF WE WORK ON OTHER THINGS TOGETHER IN WORKSHOPS AND GETTING TOGETHER MORE TIMES THAN WE DO THIS, WE DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN UNTIL WE FIND A SOLUTION OUTSIDE SOURCES, NOT FOR PROFITS. WHOEVER CAN HELP TO GET THAT LOW INCOME HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN HERE. YOU ALL LIVE. YOU KNOW WHAT THE REST OF MARTIN COUNTY IS LIKE? AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT AFFORDABLE FOR ANY OF US. IT JUST ISN'T. PEOPLE DO HAVE TO COMMUTE. I COME FROM THE NORTH. ORIGINALLY. EVERYBODY COMMUTES TO WORK. I MEAN, IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS. BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY. YOU'VE DONE SO MUCH TO KEEP IT VIBRANT. I THINK TO GO FORWARD AND TO CONTINUE THAT, EVEN IF IT'S FOR ANOTHER 20 YEARS. AND IF YOU DO IT RIGHT, IT'S TOGETHER. YEAH. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING, IS, IS THAT WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. YES, MA'AM. WE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE BICKERING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. YOU SHOULD COME TO A CONSENSUS OF HOW YOU MOVE FORWARD. AND I THINK WE SHOULD NOT TABLE ANYTHING AND GO FORWARD FROM TONIGHT AND WORK ON THOSE OTHER WORKSHOPS THAT WOULD HELP THE COMMUNITY. I WOULD SAY JUST MY OWN. MY ONLY THING WOULD BE THIS, COMMISSIONER, DOES IT MATTER IF THE COMMUNITY IS DEAD IN 20 YEARS? IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT DOESN'T. IT DOESN'T MATTER. I MEAN, THIS IS JUST ALL USELESS IF SURVIVED FOREVER, DEPENDING ON HOW IT WORKS. BUT IT WON'T SURVIVE FOR US. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT WON'T SURVIVE FOR US TODAY. IT CAN. NO. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. IF YOU ALREADY DETERMINED THAT IT IS DEAD OR DYING, THEN EVERYONE SHOULD JUST LEAVE IT TONIGHT. SELL THE PROPERTY. NO, NO. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I BELIEVE. NO, MA'AM. I AM THE MOST OPTIMISTIC PERSON YOU COULD EVER MEET. I'M COUNTING ON YOUR OPTIMISM. BUT I'M ALSO I'M ALSO A REALIST. AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THIS, THAT THERE ARE HAVES AND THERE ARE HAVE NOTS. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ULTIMATELY TURNING INTO. IT MAY HAVE STARTED OUT AS RACE, BUT IT'S TURNED INTO A CLASS ISSUE. THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING TO MARTIN COUNTY. THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE CITY OF EAST SEWARD. I KNOW YOU GUYS ALL READ THE PAGES. THE ZONING HAD PASSED, AND SEWARD, EXCEPT FOR EAST STUART. AND I THINK THE ONLY REASON THAT HAPPENED IS BECAUSE WE CAME OUT IN FORCE TO CITY HALL, TO THE MEETING TO AT LEAST VOICE HOW WE FELT AND WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO US. AGAIN, TO ME, IT'S NOT AN EASY ANSWER. I UNDERSTAND THIS, THIS IS A COMPLEX QUESTION. IT DOESN'T HAVE EASY ANSWERS, BUT I AM FOR SOMETHING THAT SAFEGUARDS OUR COMMUNITY TO KEEP IT. BUT I AM NOT A PROPONENT OF COMING IN AND HAVING MORE BUILDINGS PUT IN PLACE, MORE BUSINESS AND NOT KEEPING RESIDENTIAL AND NOT KEEPING IT AFFORDABLE. IF WE HAVE TO SAY, HEY, I'M SORRY TO THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE MONEY WHO WANT TO COME IN. WE'RE KEEPING IT THE WAY IT IS AND SO BE IT. YES. SO THE PURPOSE OF REPLACING MR. NUMBER TWO FOR CLARIFICATION. THE ISSUE IN THE VOTE TONIGHT IS NOT TO GET RID OF THE FORM BASED CODE OR KEEP THE FORM BASED CODE. THE ONLY THING ON THE TABLE TONIGHT IS TO AMEND THE FORM BASED CODE TO ALLOW FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENT OR NOT. BUT EITHER WAY, BASED UPON AS IT'S DRAFTED, THE FORM BASED CODE WILL BE HERE TOMORROW IF THAT VOTE TAKES PLACE. SO I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT THE VOTE IS TURNING THE FORM BASED CODE ON OR TURNING THE FORM BASED CODE OFF, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW UNLESS WE REWRITE IT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. MADAM CLERK. AARON HAWKINS GOOD EVENING, MR. HAWKINS. HI. HOW ARE YOU GUYS? MY NAME IS AARON [03:35:06] HAWKINS. I LIVE AT 1616 SOUTHEAST ARAPAHOE. I'VE GOT FAMILY THAT LIVES HERE. HE GREW UP IN STUART. PROBABLY SPENT LIKE, 8 TO 10 YEARS OF MY LIFE IN THIS VERY BUILDING. I'M GOING TO SAY SOME STUFF TO SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HEAR, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A SERIOUS, REAL LIFE CONVERSATION. I'VE GOT A BACKGROUND IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT URBAN AND REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT. I'VE ALSO GOT YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WORKING IN REAL ESTATE, SPECIFICALLY HERE IN SPORT. I KNOW THIS CODE VERY WELL. IF WE IF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A PRIORITY, THEN WE NEED TO KEEP THE CURRENT CODE. AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT, BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT IF YOU WANT HOUSING, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED APARTMENTS. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, QUADPLEXES. I WAS ON THE CRB FOR A WHILE. I'VE BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THOSE OPTIONS AND YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THEM BY RIGHT. NOT HAVING TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER PLAN THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT MORE EXPENSIVE TO PUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE. SO IF THAT IS SOMETHING YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT YOU WANT HERE IN EASTPORT, YOU DO NOT WANT THE THE NEW REGULATIONS ON SOME OF THE INTENSIVE USE. SOMEONE MENTIONED IT EARLIER ABOUT THE TAYLOR PROPERTY. IF YOU WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE, 20 UNITS AN ACRE IS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. THAT'S JUST. THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. AND ANOTHER THING IS THAT A LOT OF THESE THIS THIS CONDITIONAL THIS CONDITIONAL USE THAT WE WANT TO PUT OVER THIS AREA. THE ISSUE IS THAT A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES, THE BIGGER ONES THAT THIS HAS, END UP GOING TO BE AFFECTING THE HOMES THAT ARE OWNED BY LOCAL PEOPLE. THE TAYLOR PROPERTY. THE MCCARTY'S. THE ONE UP ON TARPON. ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE OWNED BY LOCAL PEOPLE FROM HERE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP, THAT AREN'T GOING TO SELL OUT THEIR COMMUNITY TO MAKE IT INTO ALCOA. THAT IS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THAT'S A LITTLE RIDICULOUS OF AN IDEA, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OF GENTRIFICATION. I TOTALLY GET THAT. TRUST ME. WE HAVE COMMERCIAL. HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON THIS SIDE. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ON MARTIN LUTHER KING. AND THEN THE EXTRA LIGHT GREEN THAT EVERYBODY IS SEEING THAT IS RESIDENTIAL OR OFFICE SPACE. IT IS ALREADY RESIDENTIAL. I KNOW PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT IS RESIDENTIAL. THE TAYLOR PROPERTY WAS ALREADY IN MIXED USE. IT HAD A STORE IN THE FRONT AND RESIDENTIAL IN THE BACK. THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE FOR AN URBANIZED DISTRICT LIKE EAST STEWART. THIS IS YOU. YOU. WE SHOULD JUST LEAVE THIS ALONE. WE SHOULDN'T BE TOUCHING THIS. WE SHOULD JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. AND REALITY. PLUS, THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ALREADY THAT THE ISSUE IS NOT YOU. YOU WERE RIGHT. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TREASURE COAST PLANNING AGENCY. THEY GOT IT WRONG. THE ISSUE WASN'T THE ZONING. THE ISSUE WAS A LACK OF FUNDS. PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO CAPITAL TO DEVELOP THIS AREA. THAT'S WHY EVEN THOUGH THEY CHANGED IT. WHO DOES? NO. BUT MY POINT IS THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY CHANGED THE LAND CODES, THAT'S WHY WE STILL HAVEN'T SEEN THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE LAST 20 YEARS. RIGHT? HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT. THAT'S ONLY IF PEOPLE SELL. AND IF PEOPLE SELL, LET THEM SELL. THAT'S UP TO THEM. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. RIGHT. BUT MY POINT IS THAT THIS THIS MAKES AFFORDABLE HOUSING HARDER. THIS MAKES GENTRIFICATION. GENTRIFICATION HAPPEN. YES IT DOES. IT DOES. IF YOU TALK TO A PROPERTY, CAME UP EARLIER ABOUT THE ONE OF THE PROJECT ON THE CITY GARAGE. I SPOKE TO THAT GUY AS WELL MYSELF. HE KNOWS APARTMENTS. THEY START OFF AS ONES AND THEY MOVE TO TWO TWOS. IT'S A SPECIFIC FEDERAL PROGRAM THAT HE HAS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IN ORDER TO BUILD THIS KIND OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT'S WHY IT STARTED OFF AS ONE ONCE. IT'S NOT A MONEY GRAB OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT PROJECT. THE THING IS, IS THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ONE ON ONES FOR ABOUT $600. TWO TWOS FOR ABOUT $800. AND THEN THEY WERE EVEN TALKING ABOUT ADDING SOME THREES IN THERE. BUT IT WAS A CONVERSATION, AN ONGOING CONVERSATION THAT GOT SHUT DOWN. BUT THE THING IS, IS THAT IF YOU WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP ANY KIND OF BUSINESS LOCALS. STUART, THIS IS THE CODE YOU WANT. A LOT OF THAT GREEN ALREADY IS RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE. THAT GREEN ON 10TH STREET IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. THAT IS RESIDENTIAL. GREEN ON THAT IS RESIDENTIAL. IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE. THE GREEN ON TARPON IS RESIDENTIAL. IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE. IT'S I'M JUST. I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. [03:40:10] THANK YOU, MR. HAWKINS. OH, ONE MORE THING. SORRY IF YOU GUYS ARE AS CONCERNED ABOUT GENTRIFICATION ANY STORE AS YOU SAY YOU ARE. I PROPOSE YOU SHOULD LOOK INTO CREATING A SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS FOR RESIDENTIAL HOUSING TO BE TAXED AT A LOWER RATE OR LIMITED RATE, AND INCREASES THAT ALLOWS THE LOCAL PEOPLE TO KEEP THEIR HOMES, EVEN IF THERE IS DEVELOPMENT AND IT AFFECTS PRICES AND ALLOWS PEOPLE WITH FIXED INCOMES TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES AND ALSO WHAT'S IT CALLED? IT INCENTIVIZES PEOPLE TO BUILD THE HOUSING THAT YOU WANT. THE RESIDENTIAL. MOST OF THOSE LOTS ARE ALREADY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THEY A LOT OF THOSE LOTS AREN'T CONTIGUOUS. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT THEM TO BUILD LARGER THINGS ANYWAYS. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. SO IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT GENTRIFICATION AND YOU REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE EACH STORE DOESN'T GET WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, MAKE IT A SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT. SO IT ONLY MAKES UP 25% OF THE TAXING DISTRICT IN MARIN COUNTY. SO IT'S A 20 MILL TAX. THE CITY HAS FIVE OF THOSE MILLS. THE REST IS MARTIN COUNTY, SOUTHWEST WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD, FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT, ETC. SO EVEN IF THE CITY. SO MAYBE THAT'S A 75% DOWN, RIGHT? MAYBE THAT'S ZERO, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND IT'S AN INTER-GOVERNMENT CONVERSATION AS WELL, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. BUT YOU GUYS ARE HERE IN THE CITY. YOU ARE THE RIGHT LEADERS. YOU CAN LEAD THE WAY WELL, THANK YOU, MR. HAWKINS. ACTUALLY, THAT IDEA WAS JUST SUGGESTED TO ME FOR THE FIRST TIME. I'D NEVER. AND THERE ARE AREAS, APPARENTLY, WHERE THEY CAN FREEZE THE PROPERTY TAXES UP TO 25 YEARS. ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S REALLY A PRIMARY CONCERN. I KNOW IT'S A RISING PROPERTY TAXES. AND AGAIN, WE SHOULD TAKE THE TIME TO CONSIDER WHAT OPTIONS WE HAVE. AND I JUST HOPE WE DO THAT. IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOME COMPARISONS THEY DID IT IN RIVIERA BEACH I BELIEVE. AND I THINK THERE'S ALSO A COMMUNITY. I'D HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH MY NOTES. BUT IN NORTH CAROLINA, WHERE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS ALSO A GOOD IDEA AND IT HAS GOOD EFFECTS. THERE ARE OPTIONS WE HAVE NOT CONSIDERED. AND I HOPE WE TAKE THE TIME TO DO IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. FRANK MCCRYSTAL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WHO'S GOING TO BE JUST 40 MINUTES MORE? GOOD. IN THIS REHEARSAL. YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE LEAN DOWN. PUSH IT. ALL RIGHT. HERE. ALL RIGHT, SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THE MAPS AND THE COLORS, OKAY, THE YELLOW IS DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL ONLY. ALL THE OTHER COLORS, THE PURPLES AND THE LIGHT GREEN STUFF. THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN ZONED. YOU CAN DO RESIDENTIAL FOR A LITTLE MORE OR MORE IF YOU WANT. AND THE FACT THAT YOU LOOK AT ALL THOSE COLORS WHERE YOU COULD HAVE DONE MORE THAN RESIDENTIAL AND THE PEOPLE ATE A HE'S STEWART NEVER HAVE. THERE'S YOUR SIGN. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE OF EASTPORT WANT WITH THOSE OTHER COLOR LOTS THAT THEY COULD HAVE MADE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. OKAY. SO ALONG COMES YOUR BETTERS, THE PEOPLE THAT KNOW BETTER THAN YOU. EAST STUART. AND THEY SAY, LOOK, LOOK AT THIS. ZONING HAS NEVER BEEN TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. WE'LL SHOW YOU HOW TO DO IT. OKAY. AND WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN THE DARK OF THE NIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. THE CHOICE IS SIMPLE. HOW CAN YOU VOTE AGAINST MORE SUNSHINE, MORE DAYLIGHT ON WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON NEXT TO YOU, TO THE MCCARTYS AND THE TAYLORS AND ALL THE OLD TIME PEOPLE THAT OWNED THE LAND. YOU WILL STAND UP JUST FINE TO YOUR PEERS NEXT DOOR BECAUSE THEY KNOW YOU AND THEY KNOW YOU HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS FOR THIS COMMUNITY. OKAY. BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO THIS WITHOUT YOUR INPUT. NEIGHBORS. ALL RIGHT. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND AND JUST TRY TO DECIPHER THROUGH. IT'S ALL ABOUT WHO YOU'RE GOING TO BELIEVE. RIGHT. [03:45:03] SO WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE IN THIS CONVERSATION? THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FOR MORE DARKNESS AND NOT THE DAYLIGHT OF CONDITIONAL USE. ZONING, WHERE YOU NEIGHBORS GET TO REALLY GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE HELL'S GOING ON BEFORE IT HAPPENS LIKE THAT AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, WITHOUT EVER COMING TO ANYONE THAT WE VOTED FOR. ALL RIGHT BY RIGHT. YOUR CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATIONS DO NOT TAKE AWAY ANYONE'S RIGHTS. WHAT IT DOES DO IS YOU CAN SAY TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, HEY, I LISTEN TO YOU, I LOVE YOU, BUT THE HELL ARE YOU STILL GOING TO DO IT? AND THAT MAY HAPPEN, OKAY. BUT THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT DAYLIGHT. OKAY. YOU DON'T. YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW. YOU DON'T WANT TO. YOU DON'T WANT THOSE PEOPLE MAKING CHOICES FOR YOU. AND THIS IDEA THAT AND I GO, I'LL GO BACK TO IT REAL QUICKLY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE STEWART FROM 30,000FT AND YOU LOOK AT THE CATASTROPHE THAT HAS HAPPENED ON US ONE AND IN WEST. AND YOU, YOU ARE A DEVELOPER. YOU. YOU'RE A ELITIST GLOBALIST. THE GUYS THAT ILLEGALLY EXTENDED RUNWAY 1230 1998 AND TURNED THE CENTER OF OUR TOWN INTO A DIRTY, FILTHY PIT STOP FOR THE GLOBALIST JET SETTERS. OKAY, THOSE PEOPLE, ALL RIGHT? THEY GOT PLANS, PRIESTHOOD, BIG PLANS, BIG PLANS. AND THEY HAVE MORE MONEY THAN GOD, LITERALLY. AND THEY BUY POLITICIANS AND THEY TRAIN ALL YOUR CITY BUREAUCRATS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY UNDERSTAND DEVELOPMENT UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEST FOR YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MCCRYSTAL. NO QUESTIONS FOR ME, MR. RICH. I HAVE NONE FOR YOU, MR. MCCRYSTAL. DO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? THAT'S IT. NICKY HOPKINS, DON'T LISTEN TO YOUR BETTERS. HELLO, COMMISSIONER. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT AND HAVING THIS MEETING. I'M NICKY HOPKINS. FOR THOSE OF Y'ALL THAT DON'T KNOW ME, I'M YOUR FIRST VICE PRESIDENT, MARTIN COUNTY NAACP. I'M A LICENSED REAL ESTATE BROKER AND DEVELOPER AS WELL. SO I'M JUST HERE TO SAY THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. WE'VE ESTABLISHED A NONPROFIT CALLED JUMPSTART TREASURE COAST COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. MISTER. ELLIOTT. THANK YOU. ACTUALLY. OH, OKAY. NO, SHE'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. OH. SHE'S NOT. SO THEN GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. GIRL. YOU WERE NEXT. YES. I AM HIS LITTLE GRANDDAUGHTER. YES, YES. HI, EVERYBODY. SO I WAS ACTUALLY INVITED TO THE MEETING BY NICKY HOPKINS. MY NAME IS ALICIA HALL. MY ADDRESS IS 917 SOUTHEAST TARPON AVENUE. AND I WAS INVITED TO THE MEETING TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS GOING ON TONIGHT. AND THE NIGHT WHEN SHE CALLED ME, I COULDN'T SLEEP. GREAT. AND I READ MY BIBLE. LIKE, I HOPE ALL Y'ALL DO WHEN YOU CAN'T SLEEP. AND I HOPE THAT YOU GO BACK HOME AND YOU READ THE BOOK OF JUDGES. DEEP BREATH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU'RE DOING GREAT. WELL, WE WOULD LIKE IS COMMUNITY, BUT WE CANNOT LOOK TO OTHERS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND THE BOOK OF JUDGES. IT LISTS EVERY FAMILY, EVERY FAMILY THAT PLAYED A ROLE IN THE REJUVENATION OF SOMETHING THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE. DID IT GO THROUGH SOMETHING? YES. BUT WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER UNDERNEATH GOD 100%. BUT WHERE WAS THERE OPPRESSION AND THINGS AGAINST US? 100%. BUT WHAT WE HAD WAS THE STRENGTH OF THE LORD, Y'ALL. AND RIGHT NOW, WE CANNOT DEPEND ON OTHERS FOR OUR STRENGTH. WE HAVE TO LEAN ON OUR OWN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE WANT. AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS NOT WHAT WE CAN DO ON OUR PROPERTY, BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED WITH OUR PROPERTY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK CHRISTOPHER COLLINS, VICE MAYOR, EVERY TIME SOMEONE COMES UP AND THEY SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY, [03:50:08] YOU INITIALLY GO INTO BUILDING INTO SOMETHING ELSE. WHERE WOULD THAT FUNDING GO COME FROM? IF I'M ALREADY ON AN EMPTY LOT, WHERE WOULD MY FUNDING COME FROM? IF I CANNOT FIX WHERE I AM? WHERE FUNDING COMES TO BUILD SOMETHING ELSE. SO THAT THAT'S THE POINT, IS THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO RENOVATE OR BUILD ON WHAT'S THERE, AND WE MASSIVELY EXPAND THE USE OF THAT LAND. A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY, IS $500,000 OR $10,000. BUT MY QUESTION IS, WHERE WOULD THE FUNDING COME FROM? IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING? I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR IT. SO WE ARE GOING TO COME FROM OUTSIDE, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. AND WHAT OUTSIDE SOURCE IS THAT? SO WE CAN ALL LOOK INTO IT TO DO OUR PART SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE RECEIVE THE FUNDING. THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE GOING TO BUY YOUR LAND. RIGHT. AND THAT DOES NOT WANT IF THAT IS YOUR IF THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE TELLING US, WE ARE TELLING YOU NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE. WE DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO BUY OUR LAND. THAT'S WHAT OUR STOP. THAT'S THAT'S STUFF TO MAKE CONDITIONAL USE. SO EVERY TIME SOMEBODY PROPOSES SOMETHING, AND WE'RE TELLING YOU THAT WE DON'T WANT IT, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING. AND YOU'RE TELLING ME SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BUY MY LAND? THAT IS NOT MY SOLUTION. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BUY THE LAND THAT I CANNOT AFFORD RIGHT NOW, MY SOLUTION IS NOT TO JUST GIVE IT AWAY BECAUSE I CANNOT AFFORD IT. WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS ASSISTANCE TO BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN WHERE I AM. A GENTLEMAN OVER HERE IN THE BLUE, AS I WAS SITTING THERE EARLIER, TOLD ME THAT BECAUSE SOMETHING DOES NEED RENOVATION, YOU GUYS WILL PUT FINES ON THEM TO THEN WHEN THEY WILL HAVE TO CONDEMN THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS. SO IT'S A CATCH 22. THAT'S NOT A SOLUTION EITHER. CAMPBELL. RICH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, MR. MAYOR? NO, I THERE IS NO MORE DIFFICULT PROBLEM FOR THIS CITY TO SOLVE THAN HOW TO PROVIDE. AS IT'S BEEN SAID, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS DYING. HOW DO WE REVIVE THIS COMMUNITY? PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY. PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS AND KEEP IT INTACT. SO IF YOU ALL DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWERS, I WILL. I WILL HUMBLY ASK THAT YOU BE UP THERE. BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I CAME HERE ON MY OWN. TWO WEEKS AGO. TO LISTEN TO YOU AND WHY WE'RE HERE NOW AGAIN. TO LISTEN TO YOU. OKAY? BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS RIGHT AWAY. BUT WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO LISTEN, TO UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM AND SEEK A SOLUTION. AND I THINK WE'RE ALL ENGAGED IN THAT EFFORT. AND SO, SO AS I'M ASKING THE COMMUNITY TO COME TOGETHER, I'M ALSO ASKING YOU ALL TO COME TOGETHER TO UNDERSTAND US AND NOT HAVE YOUR OWN OPINIONS, BECAUSE SITTING BACK HERE, WE CAN TELL THAT YOU ARE ALL DIVIDED. WE ARE. YOU'RE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE. SO HOW CAN YOU LEAD US TO SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE? YOU BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JILL. JILL. JILL. JILL. JILL. JILL. JUDGE. JILL. OKLAHOMA AVENUE IS JUST. JILL IS STILL IN THE AUDIENCE, BUT APPARENTLY JUST. JILL IS HOME. SAM. VOICE. SAM. VOICE. WHO? SAMANTHA. BRYCE. BRYCE. BRYCE. BRYCE. HI. MY NAME IS SAMANTHA. BRYCE AND I OWN A COMPANY DOWN THE ROAD CALLED REBIRTH THERAPY. WE RECENTLY OPENED TWO WEEKS AGO. SO IN THAT MANNER I TECHNICALLY LIVE IN PORT SAINT LUCIE, BUT I WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE ANYWAYS. AND NOW I WAS OUT AS A BUSINESS OWNER, SO THIS IS COOL. MR.. MR. PRESIDENT, I ASKED YOU TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION, PLEASE. OKAY. SORRY. SO THAT WAS MY NEXT POINT. I WANT TO PREFACE THIS BY SAYING I'M OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT YOUNGER THAN SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE TODAY, SO I'M STILL LEARNING EVERYTHING IN THIS PROCESS. SO I'M SURE THERE'S SOME THINGS I'M NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND TO THE FULLEST EXTENT. HOWEVER, I'M GOING TO TRY MY BEST TO BE ELOQUENT. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. A LITTLE BIT. I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO IS HERE TODAY. FROM THE PASSION THAT I'VE HEARD IN EVERY SINGLE PERSON'S VOICE, I CAN TELL THAT WE ALL REALLY CARE. WE ALL REALLY LOVE FROM A COUPLE. OTHER PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THAT AS WELL. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO HOLD A LITTLE BIT HIGHER UP IN OUR CONSCIOUSNESS RIGHT NOW, OR AT THE FOREFRONT OF OUR HEARTS. WE NEED TO BE ATTACKING THIS PROBLEM AS A GROUP. WE ARE A COMMUNITY. THESE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF US ARE NOT HERE TO HURT US. THEY'RE HERE GIVING US AN OPTION TO HELP. I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THIS IS MY OWN TAKE. [03:55:03] I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE MAKING ANYTHING EASIER ON COMPANIES OR CORPORATIONS TO HAVE RIGHTS, SUCH AS HUMANS, TO COME INTO AREAS LIKE THIS AND BE ABLE TO USE THEIR RIGHTS AGAINST OUR OWN. I THINK AS A COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO UPHOLD OUR PERSONAL RIGHTS HIGHER THAN ANYTHING ELSE. I THINK THAT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THESE COMPANIES HAVE TO COME TO US IN PERSON AS THE COMMUNITY AND ASK US IF THIS IS A COMPANY THAT WE WANT IN OUR ON OUR STREETS IS A GOOD MOVE. I HAVE SEEN MY HOMETOWN FROM HOUSTON, TEXAS BE GENTRIFIED IN THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND THERE IS A REASON WHY I DON'T WANT TO RAISE MY KIDS THERE. WHY I DON'T WANT TO SETTLE THERE. I'VE BEEN LIVING IN STUART NOW FOR OVER THREE YEARS AND I WANT TO STAY HERE. IF I'M GOING TO DO THAT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMPANIES COMING TO MY COMMUNITY ARE ASKING US, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE MIGHT NOT KNOW THIS SECOND STEP ABOUT THE THE HOUSING SOLUTION AT THE MOMENT, BUT I THINK THE FIRST STEP IS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY AND WHAT YOU MENTIONED A SECOND AGO ABOUT HAVING MORE OF THESE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND MORE TALKS IN GENERAL, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COMMITTEE TO PLEASE NOT VOTE TODAY. IT DOES SEEM LIKE THERE IS A BIT TOO MUCH MISUNDERSTANDING GOING ON, SO I UNDERSTAND NOT KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL HAVE THE CHANCE TO MAKE THIS DECISION AND FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME TEAM. WITH THAT, I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS SOME MORE TIME TO RESEARCH THIS AND TO TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. I WANT TO SAY THAT ALSO THAT I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE MY IS THE CITY WITH OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND WITH WHO WE WANT HERE, AND WITH MAKING SURE THAT OUR SISTERS AND BROTHERS AND FAMILY MEMBERS ARE ABLE TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS AND SET THEIR. ONCE AGAIN, OUR COMMUNITY UP FOR FINANCIAL SUCCESS IN THIS AREA FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE COMMUNITY. I WANT TO SEE EVERYONE PACK UP AND MOVE AWAY BECAUSE WE GIVE UP HOPE. I'M SORRY, BUT I AM A BIT YOUNGER THAN SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM TODAY. AND I DON'T WANT TO BE DEFEATIST. I WANT TO THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO COME TOGETHER AS A GROUP, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BUSINESSES AND COMPANIES THAT ARE SPONSORED AND LOCAL, THAT HELP OUR LOCAL PEOPLE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE A COMPANY LIKE BLACKROCK OR SOMEBODY ELSE COME IN AND BUY UP THIS WHOLE COAST, BECAUSE WE AREN'T ABLE TO AFFORD AT THE MOMENT TO REFURBISH OR TO REBUILD, AND THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL HAVE THIS MONEY. THE ONLY WAY WE CAN PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING IS IF WE TAKE A STAND AND MAKE SOMETHING LIKE WHERE THEY HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF US AS THE PEOPLE TO ASK US IF WE WANT THIS COMPANY HERE. THANK YOU. TELL THEM WHAT CHURCH YOU HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF SAINT PAUL AFRICAN CHURCH. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY, MISS BRICE. IS IT BRICE? YES, COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I HAVE A QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR COMING. THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF THE COMMUNITY. AND YES, YOU'RE YOUNGER THAN THE REST OF US. AND YOU'RE THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S GREAT. YOU MENTIONED THAT. YOU SAID YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WANTED IT TO BE WHERE COMPANIES COULDN'T JUST COME IN. SO BASICALLY, THAT IS THE DECISION YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE? YES. YES. AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY ARE, ARE UNDERSTANDING WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING TONIGHT. AND SO I WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET THAT. WE ARE OBVIOUSLY SCARED AS A COMMUNITY ABOUT LOSING OUR HOMES, ABOUT LOSING OUR LAND AROUND HERE, ABOUT LOSING OUR, I'M GOING TO SAY, CONTROL OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND I BELIEVE THAT PASSING SOMETHING WHERE WE WOULD MAKE THESE BILLIONAIRES COME IN FRONT OF US AS A COMMUNITY AND ASK US IF WE WANT THEM TO BE HERE, IS THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CONTROL OF THIS SITUATION. OTHERWISE, THEY ARE GOING TO SPEND ENOUGH MONEY THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE DO. AND THAT IS THE DECISION WE'RE SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED THAT. HOW COULD I UNDERSTAND IT THOUGH? I JUST WANT TO SAY AS A WHOLE MY ASK IS THAT WE DON'T TEST. I MIGHT UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I DON'T THINK EVERYONE'S QUITE GETTING IT TONIGHT. THE PROBLEM I SEE, AND SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED IT, IS THAT THEY LOOK UP HERE AND THEY SEE THAT WE'RE DIVIDED AND WE ARE. WE'RE HONEST ABOUT IT. THERE ARE SEVERAL OF US THAT HAVE ONE VIEW AND SEVERAL OF US WHO HAVE ANOTHER VIEW. BUT FROM WHAT I CAN TELL TONIGHT IS THAT SO DOES THE COMMUNITY. YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO, IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE ONE VIEW AND HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO, AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT VISION. I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS. BUT WE HAVE TO GO FORWARD. IT BECOMES QUITE HARD TONIGHT ON UNDERSTANDING THIS AS A TOPIC. AND I THINK THAT AS A COMMUNITY, WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED AND HONESTLY, WE'RE ALL LEARNING THROUGH THIS. WE HAVE NOT HAD TO HAVE COMMUNITY THIS HEAVY IN A LONG TIME. I THINK THAT A BIG PART OF US CONTINUING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT TEN, 25 YEARS IS GOING TO BE HAVING A TON MORE OF THESE MEETINGS ALL THE TIME. [04:00:05] WE NEED TO BE TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY, TALKING AND DISCUSSING AND WORKING WITH OUR REPRESENTATIVES ON THE LAWS AND THINGS THAT THEY'RE PASSING. WE CAN'T BE RELYING ANYMORE ON JUST SOCIAL MEDIA OR ON JUST BEING AWAY. I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED AT THE LACK OF OTHER YOUTH OR HERE TONIGHT, BUT THESE MEETINGS AND CONTINUING THESE DISCUSSIONS, I THINK WE ARE. IT'S GOING TO BE A LEARNING CURVE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. BUT WE'VE ALREADY COME REALLY FAR TONIGHT WITH BEING ABLE TO MOTIVATE THIS COMMUNITY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN. RIGHT. BUT TO TABLE THINGS AND HAVE THEM GO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, WE CAN STILL MOVE FORWARD, NOT TAKE ONE ITEM AND CONTINUE TO DISCUSS AND GO FORWARD, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES BESIDES THESE CHANGES TO THE CODE. THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, LOW INCOME HOUSING. THOSE THINGS CAN ALL CONTINUE TO HELP THE COMMUNITY AND ALL OF THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK HE CAN STAND DOWN. THE ROAD IS I WAS JUST GONNA SAY. SURE. I HEARD YOU MENTIONED SEVERAL OTHER TIMES TONIGHT ABOUT JUST DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WE NEED IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. I MEAN, COMMUNITIES, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED MORE TALKING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ALL TO HELP US, PLEASE, AS OUR LEADERS, PLEASE HELP ARRANGE THESE. PLEASE HELP MAKE MORE OF THESE TONIGHT. WE NEED MORE OF THESE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MCFADDEN. YOU'RE. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, GOOD EVENING. YOU KNOW, I'M SITTING TODAY. I'M A ONE OF THE BLESSED ONES. I WAS ABLE TO GET MY HOME BUILT THROUGH HABITAT. WELL, I DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY THAT MUCH FOR MY MORTGAGE. MY MORTGAGE STARTED OFF. COULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE? AND YOUR ADDRESS? MY NAME IS MICHELLE MCFADDEN. I WAS BORN HERE IN STUART, FLORIDA. I MOVED TO HOPE WHOLE SOUND. I WAS FORTUNATE TO GET MY HOUSE BUILT THROUGH HABITAT. THAT'S HOW I END UP BEING AT HOME. SOUND. MY GOAL WAS JUST $455 THAT I HAD TO PAY. I WAS BLESSED. NOWADAYS, I THINK THE MORTGAGE IS LIKE $1,000 FOR THEM TO PAY, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO OWN, YOU KNOW? BUT I WAS SITTING ON MY COUCH TODAY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN ON THE NEWS CAME ON SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR RAID. IT WAS DELRAY BEACH TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO HELP PRESERVE THE, THE THE PROJECT PROTECTIVE LEGACY BLACK FAMILY IN DELRAY BEACH. AND THEY'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT AND FIND OUT HOW CAN THEY DO HOUSING TO BRING BACK THE PEOPLE THAT WAS THERE IN THAT COMMUNITY, THAT HAS HISTORY IN THAT COMMUNITY. AND I'M SITTING THERE SAYING TO MYSELF, HERE IT IS. DELRAY BEACH IS TRYING TO FIND A WAY HOW TO PROTECT THEIR BLACK COMMUNITY THAT HAS HISTORY. THEY TRIED TO FIND A WAY TO BRING BACK HOUSES, SO THE PEOPLE THAT WAS MOVED OUT CAN MOVE BACK IN THERE SO THEY CAN HAVE A HISTORY. I WANT MY KIDS TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK HERE AND SAY, THIS IS WHERE MY HISTORY STARTED AT, RIGHT HERE. I DON'T WANT THEM COMING BACK SAYING, WELL, WHERE MY MOM, WHERE MY HOUSE USED TO BE AT, WHERE MY MOM USED TO BE RAISED AT. YOU YOU ALL DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRACKS. I'M ON THIS SIDE OF THE TRACKS. I DON'T CARE WHAT I HAVE, WHERE I'M AT. I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT THE KIDS THAT PARENTS, THAT YOUNG GIRLS THAT HAS THREE, 4 OR 5 KIDS, AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING 1 OR 2 BEDROOM APARTMENTS. HOW IS SHE GOING TO FIT THOSE KIDS UP IN THERE? THEY SHOULD NOT BE SLEEPING IN THE BEDROOM WITH THE MOM, AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE HAVING BOYS AND GIRLS SLEEPING IN THE SAME BEDROOM. SO WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO COME BACK? WE NEED SOMETHING AFFORDABLE TO BRING OUR BLACK KIDS, OUR BLACK PARENTS BACK HERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEN YOU. WHEN THEY TORE DOWN CHEROKEE THAT THIS DIDN'T TAKE A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY STARTED PUTTING THE BLAME. THE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'M SORRY. I GOT NOTHING AGAINST YOU. STARTED PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE TABLES SAYING THAT ANYTHING HAPPENED. THEY WAS TO BLAME FOR IT. SO DON'T NOBODY WANT TO BE SUED AND LOSE WHAT THEY GOT. SO SHE SAYS THEY THEY HAD THEIR FEELINGS LOCKED DOWN. NOW WE NEED TO BRING A SOLUTION TO THE TOWN. WE NEED TO GET THESE CHILDREN, THE PARENTS THAT LIVED IN MOTELS WITH THEIR KIDS, THAT'S UNSAFE. WE NEED TO GET THEM OUT OF THERE. AND WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BUILDING FOR THE COMMUNITY, SINGLE HOMES, APARTMENTS, SOMETHING WE NEED TO GET THEM OUT OF THESE MOTELS. WE NEED TO GET THEM OUT OF THE STREETS, LIVING IN CARS, LIVING IN APARTMENTS. WE NEED TO GET THEM OUT OF THERE. AND WE ARE LOOKING TO YOU ALL FOR THE SOLUTION. AND IF YOU CAN'T HELP US, THEN WE HAVE TO GO FURTHER THAN YOU ALL AND TAKE IT UP TO TO THE NEXT LEVEL, BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET IT OUT IN OUR COMMUNITY HERE, THEN WE NEED TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL, WHICH IS THE GOVERNOR. WE NEED TO GO HIDE IN THE GOVERNMENT, AND WE WILL. BUT WE GOT TO GET A STAND SOMEWHERE. I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BUSINESSES AND SOMEBODY WANT TO DO A BUSINESS. [04:05:03] SHE GOT PROPERTY OVER THERE. IF SHE WANT TO OPEN UP A LITTLE SMALL, LITTLE STORE, A LITTLE MOM AND POP STORE, THAT HURT. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OLD LAW THAT WE HAD IN STORE WHERE THEY WOULDN'T LET US OUT OF THE STORE? WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE RULES? REGULATIONS? WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT? IF WE NOW IF WE GO ACROSS THE TRACKS AND TRY TO GET A LOAN AND THEY FIND OUT, OH, YOU STAND OVER THERE AND STUART, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A LOAN TO BUILD YOUR PROPERTY. SO YOU, YOU YOU'LL BE LOSING THERE. AND THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR THE LONGEST. ANYTIME SOMEBODY COME OUT OF THE STORE TO WANT TO BUILD, LIKE SHE WAS SAYING EARLIER, WHERE CAN WE GET THIS FUNDS FROM TO BUILD OUR PROPERTY BECAUSE THE BANKS ARE NOT GOING TO LOAN IT TO US. SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM THERE? WHERE DO WE GO FROM THERE? THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. WE DON'T NEED PEOPLE COMING IN HERE THAT'S NOT GOING TO RAISE THE STORY. TRYING TO TELL US WHAT TO DO ABOUT OUR PROPERTY. WE DON'T NEED THAT. THE PEOPLE THAT WAS BORN AND RAISED IN SCHOOL SHOULD BE MAKING THE DECISIONS FOR A STORY. THIS IS A LEGACY. THIS IS HISTORICAL. WE NEED TO MAKE OUR OWN WHAT WE WANT IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY. ASK US. DON'T ASK NOBODY TO DO THAT. JUST CAME IN HERE. ASK US THE ONES THAT HAS ROOTS, THAT'S GROUNDED, THAT WE DON'T NEED PEOPLE TELLING US, OH, IT'S BETTER FOR YOU TO JUST LEAVE HERE OR SELL YOUR LAND. SELLING LAND IS NOT OPTIONAL. IT'S NOT IN THE PROFIT. IT'S NOT. SO COME UP AND FIND SOMETHING FOR US TO DO. AND IF YOU CAN'T DO IT, LIKE I SAID, IF WE CAN'T GET IT THROUGH YOU, WE'LL GO TO THE. WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT STEP, WHICH IS UP TO THE GOVERNOR. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO IN THE OTHER COMMUNITIES OR APPEALS IS FIND THE SOLUTION TO KEEP THEIR PEOPLE THERE BECAUSE THEY SAY IF THEY COMMUTE TO SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND THEIR MONEY WAY UP, WAY UP, AND THEY HAVE TO COMMUTE TO WHEREVER THEY WORK AT. WHEN THEY GET OFF OF WORK, THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND IT THERE AND THEN COME BACK TO FORT PIERCE. SO AT FORT PIERCE CAN BUILD LOW, AFFORDABLE PLACES WHERE THE RENT FOR A THREE BEDROOM DON'T GO OVER $800. I'M PRETTY SURE WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION HERE, TOO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR.. LEONARD. MR.. LEONARD. I WANT TO SAY GOOD AFTERNOON TO BRING IT UP HERE. YEAH. THANK YOU. I WANT TO SAY GOOD AFTERNOON TO EACH AND EVERYONE. I WISH IT WAS AFTERNOON. BUT I HAVE A SITUATION THAT IS MIND BOGGLING. SOME OF YOU ALL MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH MY SITUATION. A MISSIONARY DOCTOR. LET ME TELL YOU, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING THIS BUILDING. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ZONING. I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT BILL OF GOD TO BUILD IN MY SITUATION THAT I BUILT THREE UNITS, THAT EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY ASKED ME TO DO, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WE PRESENTED A PLAN. WE WENT THROUGH THE ARCHITECT TO TAKE OUR PLAN. TAKE THE PLAN UP. WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING. DOES NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE BILL OF WHAT WE'VE DONE. BUT ONCE. AND I WANT YOU ALL TO REALIZE TOO, ONCE YOU BUILD, ONCE YOU GET IT BUILT, THEY MAY VERY WELL YOUR HOME OR WHATEVER MAY COME AND TELL YOU YOU GOT TO TEAR IT DOWN. YES, YOU HEARD THEM CORRECTLY, BUT HOLD ON BECAUSE YOU TEND TO GO FOR A RIDE. WE BUILT A HIGH STANDING BUILDING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO. I CAN TAKE $5,000 AND PUT UP SOMETHING JUST UNREAL BECAUSE I CAN DO IT WITH MY HAND. I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS. LAY BLOCKS OF WHOLE COUNTRY. PUT ON A ROOF. I DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THE LABOR. THAT'S WHY I CAN ACCOMPLISH SO MUCH. ALRIGHT, EVERYBODY, I'M TRYING TO MAKE THIS QUICK. I BUILT THIS BUILDING IS THREE APARTMENTS. GET IT ALL DONE AND GET IT UP AND EVERYTHING. WHAT'S THE ADDRESS? MR.. OH. I'M SORRY. THE ADDRESS IS 433 SOUTHEAST LAKE STREET. SOME OF YOU ALL MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR, BUT LIKE I SAID COMMISSIONER REED, HE'S BEEN OUT HERE. AND I APPRECIATE YOU, COMMISSIONER REED, FOR COMING OUT, BECAUSE I. WE WERE SUPPOSED THE OTHER PEOPLE FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SUPPOSED TO HAVE CAME BACK. BUT IT'S BEEN SO STRESSFUL. I HAVE BEEN SCRATCHING MY HEAD. I HAVE LOST ALL MY HAIR. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING TO ME. I'VE DONE. I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF SLEEPLESS, RESTLESS NIGHTS. I'VE USED ALL MY MONEY THAT I HAVE SAVED OVER THE YEARS. AND THEN SOMEONE TELLS YOU, YOU GET THE BUILDING UP THAT YOU GOTTA TEAR DOWN. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH, AND I KNOW, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING. [04:10:03] BUT THEY HAVE TO BE IN THE CONDITION AND UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM. I PUT MY PLACE UP FOR SALE. I SAY I HAVE ENOUGH, I CAN GO SOMEWHERE OUT WEST OR SOMEWHERE IN YOUR COMMUNITY, GO TO WHERE SOMEONE WANT TO SEE, DEVELOP, GET A LITTLE INCOME, MY APARTMENT OR A LOW INCOME APARTMENTS. ONCE MY TENANTS GET IN MY APARTMENT, THEY DO NOT WANT TO GO ANYWHERE. THEY GOT SECURITY. WE LEAVE BELIEVING WE DO NOT LOCK OUR DOORS. I SHOULDN'T BE SAYING THIS, BUT IT'S A FACT. EVERYBODY LOVES LIVING BACK THERE. WE WE GOT CAMERAS. WE? WE ARE FAMILY BACK THERE. YES WE ARE. BUT GETTING BACK TO THE SITUATION, THEY TELL ME I GOT TO TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. MAYBE YOU MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH WHY THEY SAY I BUILT TOO CLOSE TO THE THE PALM AFTER SIGNING THE PAPER, GETTING READY TO RECEIVE MY CHECK. AND THE BUYER HERE. THE SITUATION YOU GOT? WELL, YOU GOTTA WE GOTTA HAVE THE BAG OUT OF THIS COUNTRY. THEY BAG THAT SO I COULD NO LONGER SELL IT ALL BECAUSE THIS PERSON SAID WE GOTTA TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING. STILL THE SAME. WE GOING TO TAKE THIS SITUATION AND TALK ABOUT IT AND DISCUSS IT. LET ME GIVE A STATEMENT IN FRONT OF THAT. ARE YOU REALLY? SO I'VE BEEN TREATED SO UNFAIRLY. I'M SO UNFAIR. WHO WANT TO LIVE IN AND STUART. I LIKE THE BILL. I HAVE DONE IT ALL MY ALL MY DAYS. I CAN BUILD HOUSES MYSELF. I CAN'T DO IT SO FAST NOW BECAUSE I GOT OLD. BUT BELIEVE ME, I WILL PUT UP A HOUSE BY MYSELF IN A YEAR AND A HALF. EVEN THERE AT NIGHT. YEAH, AND I'VE BEEN DOING IT. EVERYBODY KNOWS ME LIKE THAT. BUT. SO I'M SO DISGUSTED AND SO DEPRESSED. TEARING MY BUILDING DOWN AFTER A COMMISSIONER HAD BEEN IN THERE. WHEN YOU WALK IN THIS APARTMENT, THREE APARTMENTS. AND WHEN HE LOOKED AROUND, HE SAID, OH, THIS IS REALLY BEAUTIFUL. AND THIS APARTMENT IS JUST LIKE GOING TO THE HOLIDAY INN OF THE RAMADA INN. YES, SIR. TV ON THE WALL, REFRIGERATOR WALL TO WALL. YOU GOT A BIG BATHROOM THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY LIVE IN IT. IF I'M LYING, IT'S TRUTH RIGHT HERE. SO I'M SAYING, ALRIGHT, LET ME TELL YOU ANOTHER SITUATION. AND IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT MONEY. AT MY AGE, I DON'T NEED A LOT OF MONEY. I TAKES A PERSONAL GOD THAT I'VE BEEN KNOWING. LET ME TELL YOU HOW THE SITUATION. AND I'M SO DISGUSTED AND SO DEPRESSED. I GET A GUY THAT I'VE BEEN KNOWING FOR YEARS, SLEEPING AT MY LOWS IN THE WOODS. AND I SEE HIM. AND YOU SAY TO ME, HE SAY, HOW COME THAT I SAW THAT I LOVE TO GET SOME LUMBER? AND HE WAS LAYING ON THE GROUND. I SAID, WHAT'S GOING ON? BUT HE SAID, HEY, I'M DOWN ON MY LUCK AND I GET EMOTIONAL WHEN I TALK ABOUT IT. HE SAID, I'M DOWN ON MY LUCK. I SAID, MAN, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU? YOU SEE THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO US. I SAID, I TELL YOU WHAT, I'M GETTING IN THE CAR. I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU IN. I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU AND LET YOU LIVE IN THAT WONDERFUL APARTMENTS. HE HAD NOTHING. NO MONEY, NO NOTHING. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT MONEY SCARING PEOPLE. AMEN. SO I TAKE SOME HOME. YOU GIVE ME THE APARTMENT, THE LIGHTS ARE ON AND NOT THE. WE TRIED TO GET UP, I GOT HIM HELP! SO AFTER THE GETTING THE LAST ONE AND GETTING THE APARTMENTS GOING AND EVERYTHING, THEY TELL ME YOU GOT TO GET HIM OUT. I SAID, GET HIM OUT! WHERE IS HE GOING TO GO? WHY CAN'T YOU LET LET HIM STAY THERE UNTIL HE WE GET SITUATED AND GET THIS WE. ONE DAY, FROM COMPLETING AND GETTING INTO THE FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN ONE DAY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. THE BUILDING ITSELF IS LIVABLE. NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. YOU KNOW THIS. WHY NOT LET THIS PERSON STAY? YOU GOT TO GET HIM OUT. I SAID GET HIM OUT. YEAH, I SAID PUT HIM BACK OUT IN THE WOODS. YOU GOT TO GET HIM OUT. THAT'S NOT EVEN HUMANE. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. LEONARD. I BELIEVE THE CITY MANAGER WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND. YES. YOUR PROPERTY IS 0.29 ACRES, AND EVERYONE IN THE ROOM HAS SAID THAT THEY DON'T WANT THE INCREASE IN DENSITY AND THEY DON'T WANT THE MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS. THEY DON'T WANT ALL THAT. 0.29 ACRES AT 17 UNITS PER ACRE ALLOWS FOR TOTAL UNITS. AND ON YOUR PROPERTY YOU HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE PLUS THE THREE YOU BUILD. SO YOU BUILD SIX UNITS WITHOUT GETTING A PERMIT FROM THE CITY. [04:15:02] OH WAIT, WAIT, LET ME FINISH. THAT'S HOW WE CAN'T EVEN LET YOU DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING A CONDITIONAL USE HEARING. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. BECAUSE THE CITY CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN. BECAUSE EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM HAS ALREADY TOLD US THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW THAT OLD CODE. AND THAT OLD CODE SAYS YOU NEED A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THAT. BUT YOU ALSO DIDN'T PAY THE IMPACT FEES FOR IT, AND YOU ALSO DIDN'T PAY THE SEWER HOOKUP FEES FOR IT. AND YOU ALSO GOT A PERMIT FOR A BACK PORCH THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE BATHROOMS OR BATHROOMS AND KITCHENS. DAN BRADY WAS THE ARCHITECT. I MET WITH THEM AND THEY GOT CONVERTED TO APARTMENTS WITHOUT TELLING ANYBODY AT THE CITY, WHICH, BY THE WAY, I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T NEED THE APARTMENTS, AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE DOING A GOOD OR BAD JOB, BECAUSE I THINK IT DID. WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG IS THAT YOU NEED TO COME BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION, AND THEY NEED TO GRANT A CONDITIONAL USE, AND THEN YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD, AND THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO DO. BUT I CAN DO IT ADMINISTRATIVELY BECAUSE THE CURRENT CODE PROHIBITS ME FROM DOING SO. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. INCORRECT. LET ME STRAIGHTEN YOU. OKAY. WE PRESENTED THE PLANS. THE ARCHITECT DREW UP EVERYTHING WE GOT. YOU GAVE ME THE PERMIT. THE ARCHITECTURE, PLANS FOR A PORCH. OH, NO. OH, NO. DEFINITELY NOT. I HAVE NO, I WILL BE UP THERE AND SHOW YOU. I GOT A PERMIT, AND I GOT THE PLAN. I KNOW, AND NO ONE HAS SAID ANYTHING. WHAT WAS SAID TO ME? IT WAS BUILT TOO CLOSE TO THE POND. BUT NOT ONLY THAT. LET ME SHOW YOU HOW YOU TARGET ME. HOW YOU TARGET ME. YOU SAY IT ALSO THAT MY APARTMENTS HAVE BEEN THERE OVER A HUNDRED YEARS. THAT'S WHAT THE OLD RAILROAD GUYS LIVED THERE. HISTORY. HISTORY? YEAH. OVER A HUNDRED YEARS. AND I HAVE RENOVATED AND MADE IT BEAUTIFIED AND BURIED. MY PLAYS ARE VERY GOOD LOOKING. LET ME FINISH. NOW LET ME FINISH. LET ME FINISH. THEN YOU COME AND SAY FOR 37, WHICH IS ALL THE WAY ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU SAY TO ME, IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE POND. AND I'M. THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING IS ABOUT 65FT AWAY. YOU GOT BUILDINGS NEXT TO OVER NEXT DOOR. IT'S 25 AND 30FT. NO ONE HAS SAID A THING. I'M JUST SAYING HOW YOU TARGETED ME. BUT WE GOT ALL THE PLANS. WE GOT ALL THE INSPECTION. DON'T WAIT UNTIL I FINISH YOUR BUILDING AND THEN COME UP WITH ALL OF THIS. WE STARTED FROM THE GROUND. WE GOT WE GOT PLANS, WE GOT PERMITS FROM THE GROUND AND WE PRESENTED IT TO YOU. AND IF THAT'S YOU, IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE MENTION OF SAYING SOMETHING. OKAY, LET'S FILL IT UP. OKAY. AS LONG AS IT'S A SCREENED PORCH LIKE IT WAS PRESENTED IN THE PLANS AND NOT APARTMENTS, IT CAN STAY. BUT IT VIOLATES THE FIRE CODE. A SCREENED PORCH OR WHAT? THAT'S WHAT THE. THAT'S WHAT THE PLANS WERE FOR ON ONE BUILDING. BUT I GOT SEVERAL. I GOT SEVERAL BUILDINGS. WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? MR. LEONARD, DO YOU HAVE VERY SPECIFIC CONCERNS? I AM SURE THAT MOST OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER REGARDING THIS ISSUE. WE NEED TO THIS CITY. THE LAST THING THE CITY WANTS TO DO IS TELL PEOPLE TO TEAR DOWN THEIR HOMES. IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN SAVED. IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN SAVED. THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BY MAKING THIS STATEMENT INSTEAD OF A FRAME. YES, RATHER THAN SPEAK AT LENGTH ABOUT YOUR VERY SPECIFIC ISSUE. LET'S CONTINUE ON WITH THE MORE GENERAL DISCUSSION REGARDING REGARDING THE VOTE, BUT WE WILL BE LOOKING INTO IT, I PROMISE YOU, I PROMISE YOU. OKAY, BUT THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER REED, I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING AND TAKING A LOOK AT THE PROCESS. YOU'VE DONE MORE THAN YOU KNOW. MADAM CLERK. I'M DONE. ALRIGHT. WHAT I'LL DO IS ONE OF THE LAST COMMENTS ARE. YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION. GOOD EVENING. COULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? I KNOW VERY FEW PEOPLE KNOW WHO YOU ARE. FOR ALL OF YOU. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. YOU SAID NOT TO DIRECT IT TO ONE PERSON, BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE FEAR WHEN IT COMES TO BRIGHT LIFE? WHY IS IT JUST BEING YOU KNOW, YOU SAID WE WANT HIM TO LISTEN, BUT I KEEP HEARING A PARTICULAR BRIGHT LINE. I KEEP HEARING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, AND IT'S NEVER HOW CAN WE? YOU KNOW, I CAN'T. I'M NOT HEARING ANYTHING ELSE. AND FOR ME. OUT OF RESPECT, I'M KIND OF UPSET BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, I, I, I SENSE SOME TYPE OF FEAR HERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. [04:20:03] I CAN'T, I CAN'T DIRECT TO ONE PERSON, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. I TALKED TO ONE COMMISSIONER, YOU KNOW, ONE ON ONE AND AND I'M STILL HERE. IT'S JUST IT'S KIND OF UNEASY BECAUSE I'M HEARING IT TOO MUCH. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE SENSE OF URGENCY? WHAT IS THE FEAR OF BRIGHT LIGHTNING? WHAT I'M AFRAID OF, BRIGHT LINE, IS THAT THAT ONE INTERSECTION. THAT'S MY BIGGEST FEAR ABOUT BRIGHT LINE. YOU KNOW THE COMMUNITY. WHAT COMMUNITY HAS TO DO AS A CULTURE? YES. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO. THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO GROW WITH THE TIMES. WE HAVE TO TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY ON THINGS THAT WE WANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE HAVE TO BE HANDS ON WITH MAKING OUR COMMUNITY BETTER. I'M ALL ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT IN YOUR HANDS, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE FEAR? WHAT? WHAT IS IT? IT'S NOT OUR CORE. IT'S NOT MINE. IT'S NOT. I DON'T EVEN THINK WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO HANDLE THAT TYPE OF. CAPACITY HERE. SO WHAT? SO SO SO SO WHAT? SO WHAT IS IT? I MEAN, I DON'T WANT THE. I DON'T WANT THE COMMUNITY TO NOT TRULY UNDERSTAND THAT IF THIS IS NOT DONE, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT CAN WE DO TO REVIVE THE COMMUNITY? BECAUSE ME, I KNOW WHEN I HAD ON MARTIN LUTHER KING. SEVENTH STREET, FRONT STREET, WHEN I HAD A RESTAURANT THERE AND I DID NOT, I, I CLOSED UP ONE DAY AND I WENT ACROSS BECAUSE WHAT'S NO BUSINESS WASN'T NO BUSINESS COMING. AND THEN I WAKE UP LIKE EVERYTHING IS SO QUIET DOWN DOWNTOWN, SO VIBRANT. AND EVEN NOW, WHEN I RIDE THROUGH, IT'S LIKE YOU GOT EVERY FREAKING THING YOU NEED DOWNTOWN. COME OVER HERE. AND IT'S LIKE, DANG. IT'S LIKE THE WATER IS TURNED OFF. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT'S WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON? YOU KNOW, AND THEN SOME OF US. NOT BE AFRAID TO GO DOWNTOWN. I LIKE IT, YOU KNOW. I LIKE TO BE BOUGIE AND GO DOWN THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS. BUT SOMETIMES YOU KIND OF FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ME FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, MAN, I HAVE A HOUSE, BUT I'M STILL. I FEEL OKAY WHEN I GO DOWN THERE. I ENJOY IT, BUT NO ONE SHOULD FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW? BUT WHAT IS YOU GOT YOU. LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN'T EVEN PUT ANOTHER BRICK DOWN THERE. THERE'S NO ROOM FOR NOTHING ELSE DOWNTOWN. SO IT'S OVER HERE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO PLAY A PART. WE HAVE TO PLAY A PART WITH BRINGING THE COMMUNITY UP. BUT DON'T PUT DON'T SCARE US INTO THAT. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE NOT SCARED. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. YES. I MEAN, COME ON, CHRIS. I MEAN, YOU CALLED ME OUT. CALLING ME OUT. DON'T CALL ME OUT. DON'T CALL ME OUT. SO, I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE SEEN HAPPEN A LOT OF OTHER PLACES. THE GOAL IS NOT TO PUT FEAR ON ANYBODY, BUT YOU NEED TO BE PRACTICAL AND HONEST ABOUT WHAT'S COMING. AND IN THE PAST, THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER PARCELS IN THE CITY. THERE HAVE BEEN GREEN SPACES. WE'VE APPROVED AND BUILT THOUSANDS OF APARTMENTS OVER THE YEARS, BUT OUR GREEN SPACE IS BASICALLY GETTING TO THE POINT OF REDEVELOPMENT EXCEPT FOR STUDENTS. AND WHEN YOU COMBINE THAT ZONE WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF PARCELS PLUS BRIGHTLINE AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SCARE, BUT IT IS FREIGHT IS MONEY THAT NOBODY. NONE OF US AROUND HERE HAVE ANY REAL CONCEPT OF HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT VALUE CONVENIENCE AND BEING ABLE TO WALK FROM THEIR LITTLE BRIGHT LINE VILLAGE TO THAT TRAIN AND SHOOT DOWN TO MIAMI, AND THEY DON'T CARE WHAT IT COSTS. IT'S HAVING A PLACE UP IN SEWARD, RIGHT? AND THEN THEY SHOOT DOWN IN MIAMI OR MULTIPLE PLACES KIND OF ECONOMY THAT'S HAPPENING IN MIAMI. AND THIS IDEA THAT THIS ZONING ALLOWS FOR BLACK OWNED BUSINESSES AND A VIBRANT EAST. STEWART. IT'S BEEN LIKE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. ABSOLUTELY. BUT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. BUT WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN IS RIGHT. AND IF WE HAVEN'T HAD THE RESOURCES OR YOU CAN'T THE CITY CANNOT BUILD HOUSING FOR ANYBODY BECAUSE THE CITY'S THE CITY'S MONEY IS [04:25:06] EVERYBODY'S TAX DOLLARS. WE MAKE NOTHING. THE CITY PRODUCES NOTHING. IT'S OUT OF BUSINESS. ALL I CAN DO IS TAKE TAX DOLLARS AND GIVE IT TO ONE PERSON OR ANOTHER FOR THEIR HOUSES, AT THE EXPENSE OF SOMEBODY ELSE. RIGHT. THE CITY WANTS. AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES, BECAUSE THEY DON'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. THEY WANT MORE AND MORE TAX DOLLARS. WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMESTEADED IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE CITY. THAT'S GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THOSE HOMES. AND TAXES MAY BE COVERED. BUT THE CITY MAKES A LOT MORE TAX DOLLARS WHEN IT'S ABACOA, WHEN IT'S AN APARTMENT BUILDING, WHEN IT'S ALL THE THINGS THAT WE END UP APPROVING. BUT THAT IS THE REALITY OF WHAT VERY WELL MAY BE ON THE HORIZON. AND I'M TRYING TO HEDGE AND PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING HERE LIKE IT'S HAPPENING IN OTHER PLACES PLACE, CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK, METRO ATLANTA. PEOPLE KNOW A THOUSAND PLACES LIKE THIS. AND IT IS STILL IT'S NOT AS VIBRANT AS IT WAS, BUT IT'S NOT A RACE YET. AND LIKE I SHOWED YOU IN THAT FASTER WAY, I READ THAT TO YOU ON YOUR PODCAST. THEY WANTED A NEW NAME FOR THIS, FOR THE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE'VE BEEN GIVEN A NEW NAME. THEY WANTED THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MARTIN LUTHER KING ONLY GOES TO TOMMY'S ROAD. SO EVEN MARTIN LUTHER KING, THAT TELLS YOU THE HEART IF I WANT TO, IF I WANT TO GIVE AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE YOU SAID, HOW MANY OF THOSE NEW DEVELOPERS AND, AND RESIDENT PEOPLE THAT REALLY WANTS TO LIVE ON A MARTIN LUTHER KING BECAUSE WE KNOW THE VALUE GOING TO GO DOWN IS NOT GOING TO BE AS IT IS OVER ACROSS FROM PALM BEACH ROAD. BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT. BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THIS TOO, BECAUSE IF Y'ALL CAN REMEMBER I, I, I LOVE MISS CLARK. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT HER FOR RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT TALKING TO HER. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT HER BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GIVE HER CREDIT. AND IF THE COMMUNITY REALIZED ABOUT 7 OR 8 YEARS AGO SHE WAS TRYING TO TELL US WHAT WAS COMING DOWN THE LINE. SHE HAD IT WAS OVER AT SAINT MONICA, AND SHE WAS TRYING TO TALK TO THE COMMUNITY. SO WE HAVE TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE. YOU HAVE TO LISTEN WHEN THINGS ARE BEING TOLD. WE MAY NOT UNDERSTAND IT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION. AND I KNOW WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THERE IS NO MORE 4 OR $500 $800 HOUSING THAT'S GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE ANYWHERE. ANYWHERE. NOT. HOW LONG IS HOUSING AUTHORITY GOING TO BE HERE? SOMETIMES WE REALLY JUST HAVE TO BE REAL ABOUT AS MUCH AS WE DON'T WANT TO. WE HAVE TO REALLY BE REAL ABOUT IT. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO HELP OURSELVES IN OUR COMMUNITY? WE WE SAT HERE WITH DEVELOPERS. WE SAT HERE WITH BUSINESS OWNERS AND WITH UNTIL WE COME TOGETHER IN A POINT OF US KEEP COMING IN FRONT OF THEIR FACES. I HATE TO SAY IT LIKE THIS, BUT UNTIL WE COME TOGETHER, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE GOING. Y'ALL KNOW THAT SONG. HE WOULD GO AROUND IN CIRCLES. WAIT A SECOND. YOU KNOW, HE KEPT COMING TO ME LAST NIGHT WHEN WE GO AROUND IN CIRCLES. NO I DID. NO I DID. NO I DID. IT'S JUST IT'S GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES. WE KEEP DANCING TO THE MELODY, BUT THERE'S NO MELODY IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND UNTIL WE GET THE MELODY, THEN THAT'S WHEN THINGS WILL CHANGE FOR US. OH! STAND THERE. OH, GOD. I'M CLOSE. HEY, I DON'T HAVE A WELL. I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE COMMUNITY. AND I WANT TO JUST DIRECT THIS TO MR. MORTELL, BECAUSE MAYBE HE CAN BETTER EXPRESS IT. BUT I WORKED IN THE ON THE CITY COMMISSION TO TRY TO GET US TO PASS AND TO PUSH FOR AN AFRICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE DISTRICT DESIGNATION. AND THE REASON WHY I'M TALKING TO MR. MOORE-TAYLOR, MR. BAGGETT. WE HAD THE LAST MEETING HERE, AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR FROM OUR MR. WEAVER WHAT THE STATUS IS. AND MAYBE MR. MORTON WILL BE ABLE TO UPDATE US, BUT THAT IS TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY, [04:30:03] PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HERITAGE. THE SENSE OF THE COMMUNITY, COMBINED WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CODE, SO THAT PEOPLE WILL KNOW THAT THIS IS WHAT IS EXPECTED AND THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND IF WE KEEP THE IF WE GET THAT DESIGNATION FOR THE AFRICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE DISTRICT, THAT IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO THAT'S ONE OF THE TOOLS THAT WE CAN USE TO MAINTAIN A STEWARD AND TO MAINTAIN THAT HERITAGE AND TO CARRY IT ON FOR GENERATIONS. THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT. OKAY. MIKE, DO YOU HAVE A RESPONSE ON PAUL WEAVER? I MEAN, IT'S STILL PENDING, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATE. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. YOU MAY SIT DOWN. AARON HAWKINS. I'LL BE VERY QUICK. WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA. THERE ARE TWO THINGS. THERE'S TWO THINGS I JUST WANT TO. SO WE'RE GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND. WE HAVE ONE MORE THAT CAME IN AFTER MR. HOPKINS. HE JUST HE WANTS TO CLOSE, THOUGH, SO I'M GOING FOR HIM. YEAH. OKAY. BUT LISTEN, TWO THINGS I JUST WANTED TO SPEW REAL QUICK. FIRST, THE IDEA THAT BIG BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO COME UP HERE AND BUY UP THIS AND TURN IT INTO ABACOA, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. THERE ARE LOCAL PEOPLE RIGHT NOW. PEOPLE, NOT BUSINESSES. ALL THESE PROPERTIES WANT TO DEVELOP THEM. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING. WE NEED TOOLS, RIGHT? AND THAT IS THE OTHER PART. THE OTHER PART THAT I WANT TO SAY IS THAT THERE IS THIS IDEA THAT THE FINANCES ARE NOT HERE. WE DON'T HAVE THE FINANCE OR THAT WE NEED THE CITY TO PUT IN THE FINANCES OR SOMETHING LIKE SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES THAT WE NEED SOME KIND OF SUBSIDIZATION, SUBSIDY OR SOMETHING. WHAT HAPPENED TO ME? THERE IS A PLAN THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FROM EASTER, PUTTING TOGETHER FOR A DEVELOPMENT, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS AFFORDABLE. LOW INCOME HOUSING INVOLVES COMMERCIAL SPACE TO BRING BACK LOCAL JOBS AND TO SOLVE THESE ISSUES. IF WE HAVE A RESTRICTED OR A SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER ON OUT OF HERE, IF WE START CHANGING THIS, THAT PLAN CAN'T HAPPEN. IF YOU GO ABOUT PUTTING THE EXTRA REGULATION ON, THAT MEANS NOW FOR THAT PLAN TO HAPPEN, IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE. AND WE HAVE TO COME TO YOU GUYS FOREVER, WHICH GIVES YOU MORE POWER AND US LESS POWER. AND THIS PLAN HASN'T BEEN MADE PUBLIC YET BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY TAKING PEOPLE YEARS, YEARS TO PUT THESE RESOURCES TOGETHER. WHEN I SAY WE HAVE THE RESOURCES I'M TALKING ABOUT, WE HAVE DEVELOPERS, WE HAVE THE FUNDING, WE HAVE THE FINANCE, WE HAVE THE AGENTS, WE HAVE THE APPRAISERS, WE I'VE. IT'S TAKEN US YEARS TO PUT THIS TOGETHER. THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT YET. AND THAT'S WHY I'M SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS, IS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR FIVE YEARS NOW TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. BUT I NEED Y'ALL TO WORK WITH ME. I'M SERIOUS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS, COMMISSIONER? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISTER HAWKINS. I KNOW THAT THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT THE RIGHT TIME, BUT WE'VE HAD THIS WHERE OUR COMMISSIONERS HAVE MADE MOTIONS IN THE MIDDLE OF A MEETING OR DURING COMMENTS OR WHATEVER, AND I COULD WAIT UNTIL PROBABLY AFTER. I THINK MISTER SMITH IS GOING TO BE THE LAST PERSON AFTER HE SPEAKS. BUT I'M GOING TO SAY THIS NOW, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND PEOPLE HAVE COME OUT AT TOWN HALLS HERE. PEOPLE HAVE COME AND THEY'VE SAID THE SAME THING YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. AND RIGHT NOW AT THE CITY OF STEWART, WE'RE PLANNING TO SPEND UPWARDS OF 600,000 TO MAYBE 100,000 FOR TWO YEARS TO HAVE A NEW ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER COME IN. I KNOW BY THE TIME THEY GET ALL THEIR BENEFITS AND THEIR IT WILL PROBABLY BE MORE LIKE 800,000. IN REALITY, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE WELL, I'M SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO THEIR CAR, THEIR CAR, THEIR VEHICLE, EVERYTHING THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT POSITION. IF WE DO THAT, IT'S NOT JUST A $500,000 THING. IF WE DO THAT, WE'RE ASKING TO DO THAT. I'M ASKING TONIGHT OF MY COMMISSIONERS IF WE DON'T DO IT TONIGHT, LET US THINK ABOUT IT. HE'S STEWART DESERVES AN ECONOMIC PLANNER, SOMEBODY WHO'S DEDICATED TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND TO BUILD THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND TO GUIDE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO REDEVELOP A MASTER PLAN FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRULY WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE NEED. WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR YEARS AND YEARS. PEOPLE WANT TO GET RID OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ELEMENT OUT OF OUR CITY HOUSING PLAN. [04:35:04] THERE'S NO TOOLS TO DO HOUSING. THERE'S NO TOOLS TO DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY NOT AS SEXY AS DOING SOMETHING ELSE. BUT I THINK THAT IF THAT IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR, IT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE CODE ISSUE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT I HEAR IT REVERBERATING THROUGH ALL OF THE COMMENTS, AND WE NEED TO CONSIDER IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS IN BARROW AND FORT PIERCE AND DELRAY. THAT'S HOW THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS GET TO ACHIEVE SOMETHING, BECAUSE THEY HAVE PLANNING STAFF AND THEY HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED AND THEY FOLLOW THROUGH, AND THEY PUT THE TIME INTO IT BECAUSE IT TAKES TIME AND PLANNING AND YEARS TO TRY TO GET IT. AND IF WE WANT TO SHOW A DIFFERENCE, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO, IS TO MAKE IT SERIOUS AND LOOK AT THE PLANS FOR THE COMMUNITY, PREPARE PLANS AND REALLY WORK IT SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WE CAN BE ABLE TO PRESERVE AND BUILD UP THIS COMMUNITY AGAIN. THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR. MY SENSE IS THAT GENERALLY, WE NEED TO LEAVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ALONE AND LET IT BE A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE SHOULD RESTORE THE PRE 2002 DOMAIN. WE DON'T NEED MORE URBAN PLANNERS. WE SPENT TWO YEARS AND GOD KNOWS HOW MUCH MONEY COMING UP WITH THIS THAT NOBODY LIKES. WE DON'T NEED MORE MILLENNIUM PLANNERS. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS WHAT IT IS. AND WE SHOULD RESTORE IT BACK ON PAPER TO WHAT IT IS IN REALITY, WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. JIMMY WILSON. HI, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS JIMMY WILSON. I LIVE ON 801 TARPON STEWART, FLORIDA. I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS. SOME I'VE BEEN COMING CONSISTENTLY, BUT I'VE BEEN COMING TO THESE MEETINGS FOR OVER 20 YEARS. YES. TEN WEEKS. I REMEMBER SOME OF Y'ALL LIKE A GUY THAT WAS HERE EARLIER. HE WALKED IN HERE FOR A FEW SECONDS. I REMEMBER WHEN HE WAS BACK UP THERE. BUT THE ONE THING ME AS A RESIDENT OF EAST STEWART, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, MY MIND, MY ELDERS AND MY COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I WAS RAISED. I RESPECT MY ELDERS IN MY COMMUNITY. THAT'S HOW I WAS RAISED. BUT THE ONE THING I SEE NOW IS MY RESIDENTS WANTS TO DO THINGS WITH THE PROPERTY. THEY WORK HARD FOR MANY YEARS BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES I ASK THESE RESIDENTS HOW THEY GOT THESE PROPERTY BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD IT. SOME OF THEM SAID THEY HAD TWO JOBS, THREE JOBS WORKED MIDNIGHT WORKED OVERNIGHT FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW. IT WASN'T PASSED DOWN. THEY WORK HARD FOR THAT. SOME EVEN DIED. DIDN'T EVEN ENJOY THEIR LIFE. SO THEY FAMILY CAN HAVE SOMETHING BEHIND. REMEMBER I CAN SAY CHANGE THE GENERATIONAL CURSE. THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING. AND FOR THEM TO COME HERE AND SAY AND TALK ON BEHALF OF THEIR PROPERTY AND BE CONFUSED BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY WAS MISLED BY BY SOME CITY COMMISSIONERS. MY GOD, Y'ALL. OR MAYBE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, IF EACH STEWARD IS ONE PERSON IS BEING TOLD THIS. ONE PERSON IS BEING TOLD THAT. SO THERE'S CONFUSION AND I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU HAVE CONFUSION, HOW CAN YOU HAVE TOGETHERNESS? HOW CAN YOU HAVE UNITY? YOU CAN'T AND YOU WON'T. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE SAYING NICE, INTELLIGENT, HEARTWARMING THINGS, BUT LET THEM GET DONE. PEOPLE LOSE PROPERTY, PEOPLE SELL THEIR PROPERTY AND IT'S GOING TO BECOME APPLE CORPS. WHAT WAS ALL THIS FOR? WHY DID WE DO ALL THIS? IF IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING, IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING. IF EVERYBODY STAYS CONFUSED AND YOU GOT ONE CROWD OVER HERE, WANT TO DO THIS ONE THING, YOU GOT ONE CROWD OVER HERE, WANT TO DO THAT ONE THING? AND THEN SOME CITY COMMISSIONERS WANT TO TALK TO CERTAIN PEOPLE SO THEY CAN GET THE ANSWER THEY WANT TO HEAR. THEY'RE NOT TALKING TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU DON'T HAVE TOGETHERNESS. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU DON'T HAVE THE YOUNG GUY HERE TONIGHT. YOU DON'T TRY TO TALK TO THE YOUNG. YOU BETTER TALK TO THE OLDER, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THOSE WHO LOVE TAKING PICTURES WITH YOU. AND THEN YOU LISTEN TO THEM AND THEY SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR, [04:40:03] AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS. GUESS WHAT? NO IT'S NOT. AND EVERYBODY IN THIS BUILDING THAT'S TOLD YOU THAT THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, BETTY BRINKLEY. OVER ON ROUND TWO HERE. RIGHT. ONE MORE. WE GOT ONE MORE. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. AGAIN? YES, AGAIN. AGAIN. THIS IS I'M SURPRISED. I EXPECT BETTER FROM YOU. AND THE ATTITUDE IS OUT THERE AND I TOLD HER SHE STARTED OFF AND SHE MADE A U-TURN, AND I'D LIKE TO HER TO GO BACK TO BE WITH US RIGHT NOW. YOU TWO. NOT WITH US. THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT. AND YOU? MORE ABOUT WHAT? THE DEVELOPER, ONE OF US AND I HAVE BEEN GOING TO THESE MEETINGS SINCE 1990 TO 1990. I'VE BEEN GOING TO SINCE I DIDN'T TAKE THEM ALL. BUT I'VE KEPT INFORMED. AND WHEN I WAS MAKING A WHOLE PAGE ABOUT IT, I WAS IN A MEETING ABOUT THE URBAN LAW. AND THEN WE WE SAID EACH OF THESE MACHINES IN MARTIN LUTHER KING DID WE PUT THAT FORTH. AND THAT'S WHAT WE FELT, THAT I WAS THERE FIGHTING AGAINST THE CHARRETTE BY LATER ON TONIGHT WE WENT TO CITY HALL AND WE VOICE OUR OPINION TO THE PEOPLE THAT IT SHOULD WASN'T FAIR FOR WILL GIVE WAY TO RESOLUTE BAY. THERE IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE. NOTHING AGAINST THOSE PEOPLE. I KNOW I HAVE RESPECT FOR. I HAVE NO HATE FOR THEM EITHER, Y'ALL. BUT I'M DISAPPOINTED WITH SOME OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, THAT HUMAN. I AGREE. JUST LIKE YOU ALL AGREE. I AGREE. I AGREE THAT GOD MADE ME. HE MADE Y'ALL CAN'T MAKE YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ME. HE MADE ME. NO MATTER HOW WE EAT OR WE DON'T GET TREATED EQUAL. AND ALL THEY DO, EVERY TIME YOU TURN AROUND, YOU COME AT IT WITH DIFFERENT ZONES. AND HE STOOD BACK IN THE DAY. WENT FROM PUSHED AWAY ALL THE EAST OCEAN FROM FROM THAT RAILROAD TRACK THAT NO ONE COULD CONCEIVE OF. HE STOOD DOWN. WE ARE CHANGING IT FOR A REASON AND THEREFORE TO CONDUCT A TAKEOVER. HE STOOD UP AND SAID, THAT'S MY OPINION. IT SPANNED DOWNTOWN. ALL THIS IS GOING TO BE BUSINESS ONCE YOU GET OUT. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE NOTHING BUT GOODNESS AND YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER. YOU SHOULD HAVE STOOD UP BECAUSE YOU LOOK LIKE ME. THAT DON'T MEAN YOU FOR ME. AND I'M SORRY, BUT I'M SORRY. BUT I STILL LOOK. BUT RIGHT IS RIGHT, YOU KNOW. WRONG IS WRONG. YOU KNOW HOW I KNOW? I AIN'T GOT TIME FOR THAT IN MY LIFE? THAT'S RIGHT. CUZ I'M GONNA BE MISERABLE. I AIN'T GONNA BE MISERABLE BECAUSE YOU MISERABLE BECAUSE YOU FEEL LIKE GOD WANT ME TO DO NOT MY ENEMY. DO GOOD TO THOSE WHO MISUSE OR WHATEVER. IMMA DO THAT. BUT WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? SURELY RACIST. AND I AIN'T GOING TO SIT HOME WITH PEOPLE. LISTEN TO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. I CAME HERE IN 1958, NINE YEARS OLD, AND IT'S MY HOME. AND YES, I'M A FIGHTER. I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT. I FIGHT FOR 1999 FOR THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN GOING ON. BUT THANK GOD FOR JESUS. WE STILL GOING ON? AMEN. THANK YOU. MR. SMITH. I WANT TO GO. LET ME GO! LET ME GO! LET ME GO! I'M. I'M REAL QUICK. I JUST GOT ONE QUESTION. OKAY. MY NAME IS KIANA SMITH. AS YOU MAKE EVERYBODY ANNOUNCE THEMSELVES AND THEIR ADDRESS, PLEASE. MY ADDRESS. MY ADDRESS IS 5680 SOUTHEAST, OF COURSE, BUT I WAS BORN IN STUART MARTIN MEMORIAL, NOT CLEVELAND CLINIC. LIVING. WITHIN THE STREETS. HISTORIC PORCELAIN IN JENSEN BEACH WHICH KIND OF CORRELATES WITH WHAT WAS SPOKEN EARLIER IS BEING THE BLACK COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE THREE OF THEM. AND I WAS SITTING HERE JUST LISTENING. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M AN ADVOCATE ON THE TREASURE COAST FOR YOUTH BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE FUTURE. I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING BASED AND GROUNDED AROUND FUTURE. OUR OUR NEXT COMMISSIONERS, OUR NEXT DOCTORS, OUR NEXT LAWYERS. [04:45:05] WE'RE NOT INVESTING IN THEM. THEN WE CAN'T EXPECT A RETURN FROM THEM. AND EARLIER, BUBBA SPOKE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY DYING. WE'RE NOT. THE COMMUNITY ISN'T DEAD, BUT IT'S LOSING ITS STATURE. AND I THINK IT STARTS WITH THE CITY AS WELL. BECAUSE WHEN I WAS A LITTLE BOY RAISED BRINGS UP COMING UP IN THE STORY. IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE YOUTH. EVERYTHING THE CITY COMMISSIONER DID WAS TO 100% SUPPORT THE YOUTH. GIVE, GIVE, GIVE THEM WHATEVER IS NEEDED. I MEAN, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WENT ON IN EAST STUART AT THAT TIME WAS THE STUART MONARCHS FOOTBALL PROGRAM. THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY GRAVITATED TO IT. IT PRODUCED GREAT YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN FROM THIS LOCAL COMMUNITY. WELL, WHAT I THINK IS THAT THE CITY AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN THERE, AND I DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT WHO'S ON THE BOARD OR WHAT. TO ME, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. WHAT MATTERS IS, IS ARE WE GOING TO INVEST INTO THE COMMUNITY THE RIGHT WAY? AND I THINK WE GOT AWAY FROM THAT, FROM THAT ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO. AND WE LEFT KIDS WITH HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY WITH THE ALTERNATIVE TO WATCH ADULTS BE ADULTS AT A YOUNG AGE. AND WHAT THEY WAS LEFT WITH WAS TO TRY TO BE AN ADULT THEMSELVES BEFORE THEIR TIME, WHICH CAUSED AN RETURNS TO TUMINELLI. YOU CAN PROBABLY UNDERSTAND THIS, WHICH CAUSED A HIGH RATE OF CRIME BECAUSE WE HAD KIDS TRYING TO BE ADULTS AT A YOUNG AGE, SO THEY WERE DOING ADULT THINGS, AND THAT WAS THE LOSS OF THE INVESTMENT FROM THE CITY OF STEWART TOWARDS THE COMMUNITY OF EASTPORT. THERE ARE A LOT OF YOUTH ACTIVITIES, WHICH WE'RE STILL STARTING WITH RIGHT NOW, TODAY FOR THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY. I COULD PERSONALLY ACCOUNT TO THAT. I HAVE TO PAY MONEY TO GIVE A YOUTH PROGRAM FOR FREE, OR I DO CHARGE A COST. IT'S NOT A IT'S A COST TO DO BUSINESS. IT'S NOT A COST TO TO FOR ME TO MAKE MONEY, BUT I STILL HAVE TO PAY HERE LOCALLY FOR OUTDOOR COURT. I CAN'T EVEN GET AN INDOOR COURT. THERE'S NOT ONE HERE AVAILABLE AND I JUST THINK WE ALONG THE WAY, THE BALL HAS BEEN DROPPED. ON INVESTING IN WHAT'S WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT. ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE AND LEFT OR ARE STILL HERE ARE RESIDENTS THAT HAS KIDS AND GRANDKIDS THAT PREDOMINANTLY, LIKE WAS SAID EARLIER, THAT NO LONGER LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T REHABILITATE IN A WAY SO THEY COULD STAY HERE. THEY HAD TO GO ELSEWHERE. AND I MEAN, I HEAR YOU WITH THE PROPOSED REGULATION, I HEAR A LOT OF STUFF THAT'S BEING SAID. BUT MY QUESTION IS, IS WHERE WHERE DO WE THINK ABOUT WHATEVER INVESTMENT IS GOING TO BE MADE, HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE YOUTH OF THE COMMUNITY, SO THE COMMUNITY WILL CONTINUE TO THRIVE AND NOT FIND ITSELF IN THE SITUATION IT'S IN RIGHT NOW. SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO CONCERNING YOUTH IN THE COMMUNITY? THANK YOU. YES, SIR. IS THERE ANY QUESTION? NO, SIR. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S. I'M 71 YEARS OLD, AND SPORTS USED TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WAS PRETTY AFFORDABLE FOR MOST PEOPLE. AND NOW SPORTS. I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS FOR CHILDREN TO PARTICIPATE AND TRAVEL AND AND YOU KNOW, THE MOST YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED TONIGHT ABOUT CAPITAL, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT CAPITAL IS HUMAN CAPITAL. AND IF WE DON'T INVEST IN OUR CHILDREN AND PROVIDE THEM OPPORTUNITY AND GIVE THEM MODELS, THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO PAY A HIGHER PRICE. AND SO THAT MONEY IS BEST. I EVEN I EVEN THINK LIKE THIS. I HEAR A PROPOSED PROJECT HERE IN THE PARK IN UNDERSTANDING HOW MUCH WHAT'S THE NUMBER? HOW MUCH OF 9 MILLION? 9 MILLION. 9 MILLION. YEAH, BUT WE GOT NO FUNDING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IS THAT MORE IMPORTANT THAN REVITALIZING THE PARK? I THINK GIVE US SOME. I DON'T KNOW, YOU CAN PUT THE REVITALIZATION THERE. WE DON'T KNOW. AND. SO THE INVESTMENT WE'RE DOING IN THE PARK IS BASEBALL FIELDS, SOCCER FIELDS, [04:50:01] BASKETBALL FIELDS, RUNNING FIELDS, BASKETBALL FIELDS IT CAN BE USED FOR. BASEBALL AS WELL, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THAT CAN BE USED BY EVERYONE. WE DON'T HAVE THE LIBERTY TO INDIVIDUALLY CHOOSE ONE INDIVIDUAL AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $500,000 ON THEIR HOUSE AND IGNORE EVERYONE ELSE. BUT EVEN IF WE DID, WE DON'T OWN ANY LAND TO DO IT. AND THE MONEY THAT WE'RE SPENDING CAME FROM GRANTS AND OTHER CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE STATE THAT WERE CONDITIONED UPON US PROVIDING OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES AND PARKS FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO I UNDERSTOOD IT, BUT WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE EVEN IN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY RIGHT HERE. THERE'S WE'RE WE'RE OUR LOCAL KIDS IS NOT REALLY THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY ARE NOT BASICALLY HELPING THE LOCAL KIDS HERE. WE HAVE ENTITIES THAT COME IN, LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER, WITH THE WITH THE COST, WITH THE MONEY, WITH THE FUNDING TO TO HAVE THESE PROGRAMS WHERE OUR LOCAL KIDS HERE ARE STARVING PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY KNOW THIS REAL WELL. BUT THE CITY USED TO FUND STORE OWNERS ANNUALLY. AND ANNUALLY SELF-FUNDED BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT HELPED THE COMMUNITY AND KEPT THE COMMUNITY IN A GROWTH STATE. THE KIDS WERE ABLE TO CONSTANTLY REHABILITATE. RIGHT NOW WE GOT A LARGE LACROSSE PROGRAM OUT HERE WHERE IT DOESN'T IMPACT NO KIDS FROM THE EASTERN COMMUNITY. ANY ANYBODY THAT'S IN THIS LOCAL COMMUNITY COULD DRIVE BY HERE ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON. THE PARK IS ALSO PREDOMINANTLY USED FOR SOCCER PROGRAM FOR THE SPANISH COMMUNITY. WHICH DOES NOT IMPACT NOTHING HERE IN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY. FOR THE LOCAL KIDS HERE THAT LIVE WHERE THIS PROPOSED REGULATION PLAN IS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND ALSO YEARS AGO, NOT EXACTLY ON THE COUNT, BUT WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY TO COVER BASKETBALL COURTS OUT HERE WHEN I THINK WE SHOULD. HAVE BEEN SPENDING SOME FUNDING TO BUILD A GYMNASIUM THAT WILL IMPACT. THE YOUTH HERE, NOT ONLY IN THE WAY THAT THIS BUILDING DOES, BUT EVEN IN A GREATER WAY WITH THAT TYPE OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WOULD BE OVER. THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THE TIME, AND WE KNEW WE'D BE BUILDING AN INDOOR GYMNASIUM NEXT TO STEWART MIDDLE ON MLK BOULEVARD, WHICH DOES NOT WHICH IS NOT BEING USED AGAIN, BUT WITH KEITH FLETCHER, I'LL BE THE FIRST TO STAND HERE AND TELL THEM THAT THE COURTS ARE NOT BEING USED TO HELP, HELP, HELP IMPACT NO OUTSIDE CURRICULAR ACTIVITIES FOR THE KIDS, WHICH IS USED IN MOST BLACK AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITIES AS A TOOL TO HELP PROMOTE EDUCATION AND BEHAVIOR. BUT WE HAVE NONE OF THAT HERE. NOT ONLY NOT ONLY IN THIS LOCAL COMMUNITY, THOUGH I CAN SPEAK ABOUT SOME OTHER ONES AS WELL. BUT MY QUESTION IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO THE RIGHT THING WITH THE REGULATING PLAN. BUT IF WE WANT TO KNOW A SOLUTION TO HELPING THE COMMUNITY STAY THE COMMUNITY, HELPING THE COMMUNITY GROW. WELL, WHY DON'T WE INVEST IN THE 14 YEAR OLD JUST WALKING AROUND HERE, GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO DO, PUT SOME STUFF TOGETHER, AND MAYBE IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE A CARE TO DO THAT. BUT I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR WHAT I KNOW FACTS. THAT'S NOT GOING ON. THANK YOU SIR. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. YES, SIR. IS IT TRUE YOU'RE THE LAST THE FIRST. AND YOU'RE THE LAST. I JUST WANT TO SAY, FIRST OF ALL, THANK ALL OF YOU JUST TO COME OUT TODAY. I WAS STAYING AT NIGHT. NOW, I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU CAN TAKE IT BACK AND NOTE THIS DATE. THIS IS A HISTORIC NIGHT DATE. IT'S THE FIRST TIME. CALM YOURSELF DOWN HERE IN THE FIRST TIME IN A LIFETIME THAT I CAN GO BACK TO MR. ROBERT ALL THE TIME AND ALL THROUGH. THE OLD NAACP WAS ESTABLISHED HERE IN 1968. THERE'S NO RECORDS THAT WE EVER GOT. THE CITY COMMISSIONERS, ALL CITY COMMISSIONERS CAME TO EAST STEWART AND CONDUCT A CITY MEETING HERE IN EAST STEWART. PROBABLY SOME OF YOU PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME YOU EVER CAME TO THIS COMMUNITY, WHICH IS GREAT. GREAT TO HAVE ALL OF YOU HERE. IT MEANS WELL TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE CAN COME TOGETHER AND YOU CAN BRING IT TO THE PEOPLE. THEY SAY MEET THEM. WHERE THEY AT? I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT MEETING TONIGHT. I THINK ALL OF YOU COME OVER, SHOW ME A GREAT IDEA. [04:55:01] Y'ALL DISCUSS SO MANY GREAT THINGS. I THINK THAT I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF LOVE IN THE ROOM. COMPASSION. I KNOW MAYBE SOME OF YOU MIGHT DON'T LIKE THE WAY YOU WAS APPROACHED, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF LOVE. IT'S COMMUNITY. LOVE THIS COMMUNITY. YOU'RE FIGHTING FOR IT. I HEAR ABOUT THE KIDS. YES, I CAN STAND BEHIND THAT. JIMMY AND KIM ARE TALKING ABOUT THE KIDS. STUART HARNICK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COMMISSIONERS SHOULD GET TOGETHER AND TRY TO LOOK BACK INTO THIS. BECAUSE I CAN REMEMBER THAT THE STUART HUNTERS, BECAUSE I PAID THE FIRST YEAR OF THAT LITTLE LEAGUE FOOTBALL WHEN I WAS A PANTHER, WE HAD WE HAD TO PLAY WITH THE HARNESS AND IT WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST, GREATEST THING IN ALL THESE COMMUNITIES. THAT'S FROM PALM CITY. ALL THE PALM CITY DOLPHINS. I CAN REMEMBER, SO IF WE CAN GET THAT BACK. NO, WE CAN GET THAT BACK. THAT'S A LONG TIME AGO. I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT, HERE. BUT IF WE CAN GET THAT BACK AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, WHAT IT DID, IT GAVE THE COMMUNITY SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN COME AND BE PROUD AND SEE THE KIDS. IT WAS ALWAYS A COMPETITION. WHAT'S GOING ON? DAWSON, JENSEN BEACH AND THE SEWARD HUNTERS AND HOPE SOUND. I KNOW SEWARD BEAT A LOT OF US, BUT LET'S LOOK INTO THAT. IT WILL REALLY HELP LIFT THE COMMUNITY FROM THE CITY COMMISSION STANDPOINT AND SAY, HEY, WE DO CARE. WE WANT THAT BACK FOR OUR CITY. WE WANT OUR CITY TO BE THE BEST. AND THEN ON A SATURDAY NIGHT, YOU YOU'LL BE AMAZED. THAT KIND OF CROWD OF PEOPLE THAT COMES AND IT'S ECONOMIC. IT'S AMAZING. AMAZING THAT WHAT IT WOULD DO AND HAS IMPACT FOR THIS COMMUNITY. AND ALSO WITH THE THINGS I WOULD ASK THE CITY WITH THE WAY THINGS WENT TONIGHT. IT WAS A GREAT, GREAT MEETING THAT YOU I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THE ROAD AND ALL THAT. LET THEM SLEEP ON THIS TONIGHT. PLEASE LET THEM DIGEST THIS. BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE A BETTER, BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT Y'ALL BROUGHT TONIGHT. BUT THEY NEED ANOTHER MOMENT TO DIGEST THIS. PROLONG YOUR GENDER FOR A LATER DATE. WE PUT SOME ANNOUNCEMENTS OUT, SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO COME TO THIS DATE WE GAVE THE COMMUNITY OR WHATEVER, 3 OR 4 WEEKS OR WHATEVER, AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK AND PUT ON OUR AGENDA AND WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE. HOLD ON TO WHAT WE GOT, OR THERE'S SOME OTHER CHANGES. I ASK YOU THAT I ASK YOU THAT FROM MY HEART. DON'T DECIDE TONIGHT, OKAY? IT WILL REALLY HELP THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE HEART, TO SAY, I GOT TO FEEL WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. ALL OF Y'ALL ARE SAYING THE SAME THING IN SO MANY WAYS. WE CARE FOR THIS COMMUNITY. WE WANT THE BEST COMMUNITY IS JUST THAT. EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT WAY OF SAYING, HOW IS THE BEST FOR ME, BUT LET THEM SLEEP ON IT TONIGHT. THAT'S ME COMING TO YOU FROM AT MY POINT AS A PRESIDENT. PLEASE DON'T VOTE TONIGHT. AND I WANT TO JUST SAY THAT THE LAST SPEECH THAT MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE WHERE SHE WENT, SHE'S GONE. MR. SMITH WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW LONG SHE'S BEEN HERE, AND SHE SEEN THE ROWS AND SEEN THE JEFFERSON AND SMITH. AND SHE DROVE US ALL THOSE YEARS UNDER MY FATHER'S LEADERSHIP. AND I LOOK BACK AT THOSE ROOTS, AND I LOOK AT THE OTHER ROOTS, AND YEAH, WE AS A GROUP OF PEOPLE, AND I KNOW ALL Y'ALL WORKING HARD AND TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT. JUST ASK GOD IN YOUR HEART TO HOLD ON TONIGHT, AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND I KNOW YOU CAN WORK TOGETHER. OKAY. AND I KNOW ALL OF Y'ALL. FIRE COMMISSIONERS CAN WORK TOGETHER AND GET SOMETHING DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. MISTER. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. WE GOT IT. THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENTS. THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WE WERE HERE. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THOSE OF YOU WHO STAYED AND TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL US YOUR CONCERNS. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSIONERS. WHO MADE THE MOTION? I HAVE VICE MAYOR COLLINS MADE THE MOTION COMMISSIONER. AND THAT'S TO TAKE ACTION TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE. 2539. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. LET ME JUST CLARIFY. [05:00:03] THE NARROW THING WE'RE ACTUALLY DECIDING IS JUST IT IS NOT MAKING ZONING CHANGES. IT IS NOT GIVING UP ON FORM BASED CODE. IT'S NOT CREATING MORE RESIDENCE SINGLE FAMILY UNITS. OR IT'S JUST WILL THE CITY OF STUART OR THE CITY OF EAST STUART BE REQUIRED TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL ON ALL USES? THAT'S THAT'S THE NARROW FOCUS OF THIS FUNCTION. YEAH. MY MY PERSONAL VIEW IS OBVIOUSLY SPEAKING FROM THE COMMUNITY. HEARING THEM OBVIOUSLY HAS TO BE MORE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S SPLIT EVEN UP HERE. YOU SEE IT IN THE COMMUNITY. I PERSONALLY THINK IT SHOULD BE TABLED AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES SHOULD BE. WHERE? BUSINESSES SHOULD BE. SHOULD THE BUSINESSES BE BY RIGHT? SHOULD IT BE BY. CONDITIONAL? YEAH. I DON'T HAVE A MIC UNLESS I CAN. TAKE THAT ONE. NICE. I'M RUNNING OUT OF BATTERIES SO. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO I THINK THE CONSENSUS SHOULD BE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU WANT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHERE YOU WANT BUSINESSES. DO YOU WANT BUSINESSES BY RIGHT. DO YOU WANT THEM BY CONDITIONAL USAGE? THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND IT. I PERSONALLY THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE WE DECIDE. THAT'S JUST IT'S MY OPINION. I MEAN, MOST PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY WANT. IT'S IT'S ME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THOSE LITTLE DETAILS, SET, IN MY OPINION. SO THE WAY THE WAY IT IS NOW, IT'S IT'S VERY EXTREME ONE WAY IT'S BEING PROPOSED EXTREME ANOTHER WAY. AND I THINK THERE'S A MIDDLE GROUND SOMEWHERE. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I PERSONALLY DON'T SUPPORT THE MOTION IN THE WAY THAT IT IS, JUST BASED OFF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. I THINK THAT NOT ONLY DID YOU LEARN ABOUT THIS, BUT WE LISTEN AND WE LEARN, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. VICE MAYOR. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YEAH. SO. YEAH. YEAH. YOU'RE. EXACTLY. HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH. IF WE TABLE IT TO A FOURTH READING? WE CAN. YEAH. YOU CAN TABLE IT TO 2 OR 3. AND IT'S NOT IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. IT'S PROBABLY PREFERABLE LIKE WE DID LAST TIME. JUST PICK A DATE WHILE WE'RE ALL HERE, I STILL NEED TO DO ITEM NUMBER TWO. [2. DISCUSSION REGARDING PROPOSED ZONING MAP CHANGES FOR EAST STUART] YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THE SECOND ITEM. I FEEL LIKE THE DELIBERATION, WHICH WAS ITEM NUMBER TWO IN THIS DISCUSSION, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO HAVE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION FOR THAT. I MEAN, UNLESS ME GOING UP THERE AND SAYING I'D BE RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL IS SUFFICIENT, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A SECOND MEETING WHERE WE'RE REALLY IN DETAIL, GOING THROUGH THOSE STREETS AND WHAT THE USES ARE AS WELL. I AGREE WITH YOU, AND I WOULD PREFER TO SEPARATE. DOES HE WITHDRAW HIS MOTION? I'M HAPPY TO WITHDRAW IT AND WE JUST NEED TO HAVE HIM SIGN IT. NO. YEAH. SO. BUT WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE OF THESE MEETINGS WHERE WE CAN BASICALLY HAVE A FOURTH READING OF ITEM ONE, AND THEN. IN A DAY OR TWO. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE COMMISSION INSTRUCT THE CLERK TO RECORD THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN WITHOUT THE ADOPTION OF THE STUART SEGMENT. AND THEN YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO GO BACK AND REDO IT AS ALL THE STREETS. IT WAS GOING TO NEED TO GO BACK TO THE LPA BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE SO STEEP ANYWAY. THAT WAY, EVERYTHING ELSE YOU ADOPTED CAN BE IMPLEMENTED. YOU CAN ASSIGN A NEW ORDINANCE NUMBER, AND IT CAN BE JUST FOR THIS ISSUE AND JUST FOR STUART OR ITS OWN ORDINANCE, ITS OWN LIMITATIONS, ITS OWN. WE CAN ALSO GO WITH IT. THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS THE MAP, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO DO ALL THE STEPS OVER AGAIN AT THE SAME TIME. YOU NEED A MOTION FOR THAT. I THINK THERE'S A CONSENSUS THAT YOU GUYS JUST WALK AWAY FROM THIS. JUST WALK AWAY. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. YEP. SO ON MONDAY, WE COULD DO BOTH. STAFF COULD BRING BOTH BACK. BASED UPON THE INFORMATION. YOU. DIRECTOR. COULD YOU WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION? VICE MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. VICE MAYOR. DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE IT? [05:05:03] OR DO YOU JUST LIKE. SORRY. YOU'RE JUST GOING TO WALK AWAY, OR DO WE NEED A MOTION TO TABLE? YOU DON'T NEED A MOTION TO TABLE BECAUSE IT JUST DIDN'T PASS. AND NOW IT'S OVER. AND THE OTHER ORDINANCE IS GOING TO GET RECORDED, AND STAFF'S GOING TO START OVER WITH A NEW NUMBER. AND WE'LL DO THE MAP AND THE LANGUAGE IN THE SAME ONE, BUT IT'LL BE A SEPARATE ORDINANCE. MR.. YEAH, IT'LL BE MORE IT'LL BE EASIER TO FOLLOW. I ASK YOU, CAN WE ADJOURN TO STILL BE QUIET? THANK YOU. MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT WE OBVIOUSLY NEED TO FALL SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT ON THE SUNSHINE. IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN AT THAT NEXT MEETING WHERE WE'RE DOING ROAD, STREET BY STREET, OR ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. OH, HELLO. I'LL GIVE YOU A QUESTION THAT OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO FALL SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.