[CALL TO ORDER]
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READY. ALL RIGHT, LET'S SEE. I'LL CALL A MEETING TO ORDER. ROLL CALL. CHAIR BIRKVILLE HERE.
VICE CHAIR MOSER HERE. BOARD MEMBER. JAMES HERE. BOARD MEMBER. MONROE. BOARD MEMBER.
CHAIR. HERE. AND BOARD MEMBER. WHELAN. HERE. ALL RIGHT. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALRIGHT. CAN I
[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? CHAIR. FREDERICK JAMES. MOTION. SO MOVED. WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 4TH[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
MEETING. CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT.ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. GOING GOOD SO FAR. OKAY. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. NON AGENDA RELATED ITEMS. DO WE HAVE ANY. HAVE ANYTHING THERE. CHAIR I HAVE NONE. OKAY. LET'S
[COMMENTS BY BOARD MEMBERS (Non-Aqenda Items)]
COMMENTS BY BOARD MEMBERS. NON AGENDA ITEMS AND IS LET'S START CLAY. GO AHEAD. YOU GOT ANYTHING. ONLY THING FROM FROM MY END IS JUST A COMMENT THAT I THOUGHT MR. BRECHBILL, THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD, DID A NICE JOB REPRESENTING US AS WELL. FRANK, AT THE AT THE CRA MEETING. SO WELL DONE. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. FUNNY. GO AHEAD. NONE. NO COMMENT. I DO HAVE SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SHARE. MR. CHAIR, I'M GOING TO PASS THESE OUT TO THE BOARD MEMBERS. APPOINTMENT. FOR.ALL RIGHT. AND IT IS A LET ME JUST MENTION THAT. OKAY. AND YOU GAVE A COPY TO. YES I DID. SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, WHAT BOARD MEMBER JAMES HAS PASSED OUT IS A LITTLE THING HE PUT TOGETHER OF WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS A NEED FOR A REDEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST FOR THE CITY OF STUART. SO, YEAH, FOR THE STUART, FOR THE CRA. I'M SORRY. STUART. CRA. FRED. GO AHEAD. YOU WANT TO MAKE YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT OR. YEAH. MANY OF THE PROPERTIES AS IT SAYS IN THE CRA BOUNDARIES HAVE AGING STRUCTURES, MOST OF WHICH ARE ACUTELY UNDERVALUED. ATTEMPTS TO REDEVELOP SUCH PROPERTIES WILL TAKE A SELECT COMBINATION OF SKILLS. AND I THINK WE'VE ALL AGREED ON THAT.
THAT CAN EFFECTIVELY PRODUCE THE DESIRED TRANSFORMATIONS IN THESE PROPERTIES THAT WILL DELIVER THE DESIRED IMPACT THAT THE CRA WANTS TO ACHIEVE. CONSEQUENTLY, IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE CITY HIRES AN ORGANIZATION OR AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS THE EXPERTISE IN THE FOLLOWING DISCIPLINES. COMMERCIAL PROPERTY REDEVELOPMENT. RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY REDEVELOPMENT.
REDEVELOPMENT. FINANCE WITH A DEMONSTRABLE EXPERIENCE IN THE FORMATION AND THE OPERATION OF SPECIALTY REVITALIZATION FUNDS. COORDINATION OF YOUTH DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS SUCH AS STEM TRAINING, SPORTS SKILL TRADES. TRAINING. YOUTH ENTREPRENEURSHIP. INTERPERSONAL WORSHIP, CAREER CAREER PATH GUIDANCE. THESE SPECIALIZED SKILLS WILL BE DEPLOYED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CRA AND WILL SERVE AS A CATALYST FOR THE CRAS, THE REDEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES. I WANTED THIS READ IN THE MINUTES. IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE SOME OF THE FOLKS IN EAST STUART WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO SHARE TONIGHT. OKAY. APPRECIATE THAT. AND I THINK THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT. BUT DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? I DID NOT. OKAY. YOU'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WELL LET ME JUST ADD TO THAT THAT AT FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WEREN'T THERE AT THE CRA MEETING RECENTLY, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT. KIND OF ACTUALLY LOOKING AT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN GENERAL IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE GOING AS A CITY. AND AS A CRA. AND, YOU KNOW, WE
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ARE MAKING A NUMBER OF CHANGES WHICH, YOU KNOW, MAY BE REALLY GOOD, BUT AT THE SAME TIME.THEY'RE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE COMP PLAN CALLS FOR. THEY'RE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT MASTER PLAN THE, YOU KNOW, CRM MASTER PLAN WOULD CALL FOR. AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, WHAT IT TELLS ME. AND THAT'S NOT JUST THIS COMMISSION. IT'S BEEN THE COMMISSION BEFORE THAT. I MEAN, FOR THE LAST 3 OR 4 COMMISSIONS, IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN A PERSON GETS ON THE COMMISSION, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S ALL STARTING FROM SCRATCH AGAIN AND ALL OF THAT STUFF GOES BY THE WAYSIDE, AND THEN WE END UP DOING THINGS THAT END UP, IN MY OPINION, END UP BEING COUNTER TO WHAT WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY SAID WE WANTED TO DO WHEN WE HAD THE VISION FOR STUART. SOME 40 YEARS AGO. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT REVISIONING. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A CHARETTE WITH 100 PEOPLE OR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'M. I'M TALKING ABOUT A CONCENTRATED EFFORT SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE 40 YEARS AGO WITH THE COMMUNITY BRINGING IN ALL OF THE FACTIONS, INCLUDING PROPERTY OWNERS, CITIZENS WHO ARE HERE AND VOTE. BUSINESS OWNERS AND ALL OF THE RELATED PEOPLE WHO HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THAT, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF EVERYBODY IN MARTIN COUNTY BECAUSE WE'RE THE COUNTY SEAT. SO, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK AND I MENTIONED THAT AND, AND I GOT BUY IN FROM THE CRA. THEY FELT LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IF WE AS A BOARD, AS A VOLUNTEER BOARD WANTED TO PROPOSE THAT EFFORT, THEY WOULD BE THEY THEY WOULD LOOK AT THAT EFFORT FAVORABLY AND, AND, AND GIVE US, YOU KNOW, AND POTENTIALLY LET US GO FORWARD WITH THAT. SO I DO THINK THAT I DO THINK THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME FOR THAT. WE, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY PRECONCEIVED NOTION. AND IN FACT, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO IS WE LOOK FOR A CONSULTANT WHO WHO CAN HANDLE THOSE MEETINGS, WHO HAS EXPERIENCE IN ALL KINDS OF TOWNS. YOU KNOW, IN CENTRALIZED DOWNTOWNS WITH SUBURBS, WITH FAMILY, COMMUNITY TYPE VILLAGES AND MIXED USE PROPERTIES. ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS, WALKABILITY, THE WHOLE BIT. SO THAT THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO GET A SPECIFIC ANSWER, WE'RE LOOKING TO GET AN ANSWER. AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE EVEN, YOU KNOW, THAT INCLUDES OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH ALL AREAS OF ALL AREAS OF THE CITY. NOW, AS THE CRB, WE ONLY HAVE INFLUENCE ON AND WE ONLY HAVE INFLUENCE ON, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE DOWNTOWN, THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA. BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT FOR THE WHOLE, FOR THE WHOLE CITY AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO IMPACT THAT. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET, I DON'T KNOW, LEE, SINCE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, WHETHER WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH A PROPOSAL NOW OR IF WE WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, A NOTICE AND, AND ALL OF THAT AND DO IT AT A LATER MEETING. BUT I'D LIKE TO GET IT STARTED IF WE CAN, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO BE REQUIRED TO GET CONSENSUS, YOU KNOW, OF THE BOARD HERE PRESENT TO BRING IT BACK ON D AND D AT A FUTURE MEETING. THAT WAY THERE'S NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC WE CAN'T JUST DO SOMETHING WITHOUT NOTICE. RIGHT. SO AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ANY CHANCE OF GETTING THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE CRA MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE COMING UP. RIGHT.
WE HAVE TO I MEAN, CAN WE AS AN ADVISORY. YEAH. BUT OKAY, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY.
TAKE ACTION AND GO FROM THERE. OKAY. SO I'D LIKE TO YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE, THAT WE PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND, AND GO FROM, GO FROM THERE AND THEN GET IT TO, YOU KNOW, GET APPROVAL AND THEN AND GET GOING AND SEE WHAT WE THINK WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD DO HOW IT SHOULD BE STRUCTURED. AND ULTIMATELY, WHO'S GOING TO HEAD UP THE EFFORT FROM A CONSULTANT STANDPOINT. AND I DON'T LIKE SPENDING MONEY ON CONSULTANTS, BUT I THINK THIS IS ONE WHERE WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TOWNS AND STRUCTURES SO THAT WE CAN WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT. AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. YOU
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KNOW, WHEN THE WHEN THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS PUT TOGETHER, I HAPPEN TO HAD JUST MOVED TO THE COMMUNITY AND IT WAS AND IT WAS CONTENTIOUS. THERE WAS YOU KNOW, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ON DO WE KEEP THE OLD BRIDGE? DO WE KEEP BOTH OF THEM? DO WE KEEP ANY OF THEM? DO WE TEAR THEM DOWN? THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE NEW BRIDGE. THERE WAS ALL KINDS OF DISCUSSION, AND THE PUBLIC CAME TOGETHER. THEY DIDN'T AGREE ON EVERYTHING. AND THEY HAD DUANY, WHO WAS MORE DUANY WAS MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, NEW URBAN TYPE DEVELOPER. AND SO HE HAD A PLAN.THE CITY DIDN'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH IT. THEY DIDN'T GO WITH ALL OF THE STUFF THAT WAS IN THAT PLAN, AND THEY PARED SOME OF THAT AWAY. AND THEN AND THEN THEY CAME UP WITH THAT. BUT AT THE TIME, IT WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT. DOWNTOWN STUART WAS LITERALLY EMPTY. YOU COULD NOT WALK, YOU KNOW, WHERE LUNA'S IS DOWN THERE. AND THERE'S THE WALK THROUGH BETWEEN BETWEEN FLAGLER AND OSCEOLA BY LUNA'S THERE. YOU COULDN'T GO THROUGH THERE AT NIGHT BECAUSE THERE WERE HOMELESS PEOPLE SLEEPING THERE. THERE WERE POTENTIALLY THERE WAS THEFT, ROBBERIES. NOBODY WENT DOWN THERE. AND IT WASN'T UNTIL, YOU KNOW, JOAN JEFFERSON AND HER HUSBAND AND SOME OTHERS DECIDED TO MOVE BACK DOWNTOWN. BUT THEY DID THAT NOT BECAUSE THEY WANTED PEOPLE TO NECESSARILY LIVE BACK, LIVE DOWNTOWN. IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN. AND THEY WANTED TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO PEOPLE TO GET THERE. AND THE BEST WAY WAS TO TRY TO GET THEM TO LIVE THERE AND THEN WALK, YOU KNOW? SO THAT WAS A WHOLE DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY, MIXED USE. THE WHOLE THING WAS A WHOLE DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY THAN WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. SO, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT? MAYBE. BUT IF WE DO, THEN IT TAKES A DIFFERENT APPROACH. AND THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER KINDS OF COMMUNITIES, LIKE I THINK ABOUT UP NORTH, YOU'VE GOT KIND OF LIKE VILLAGES, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT HAVE COMMUNITY CENTERS FOR THE KIDS, AND THEY HAVE PLACES THAT THEY CAN GO TO PLAY, AND YOUNG FAMILIES CAN GO THERE AND RAISE THEIR KIDS. AND THEY THEY USUALLY GOT A COMMUNITY SCHOOL OR TWO. AND WE'VE GOT SOME OF THAT POSSIBILITY. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN AVENUE FOR US TO EXPLORE. WE COULD GO TO THE CENTRALIZED DOWNTOWN AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS DOWNTOWN, AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT A BUFFER THROUGH. AND EVERYBODY ELSE LIVES IN THE SUBURBS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT THAT THOUGHT. SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GET SOMEBODY IN WHO KNOWS THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF COMMUNITIES. AND SO OUR COMMUNITY, YOUNG AND OLD, PEOPLE WHO OWN PROPERTY, PEOPLE WHO JUST VOTE, PEOPLE WHO RUN BUSINESSES CAN ALL GET TOGETHER AND HAVE A VOICE IN WHAT THEY WANT THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO BE. ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHAT MY IDEA WAS. AND SO HOPEFULLY THE BOARD IS, IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT, AS DOES ANYBODY. I'D ALSO LIKE TO COMMENT THAT OUR CONGRATULATE YOU OR THANK YOU, BECAUSE THE COMMENTS THAT YOU MADE AT THE MEETING, WE WERE WELL REPRESENTED. WE NEED TO REVISIT, YOU KNOW, A 20 YEAR OLD MASTER PLAN THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE VISION OF TODAY. AND I THINK THOSE WERE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT OUT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WE GOT A GOOD BOARD AND THAT'S WHAT I DO. SO YOU GUYS YOU GUYS I DON'T I'LL GET IT TO HIM IF YOU GUYS GIVE IT TO ME OKAY. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT YEAH SO AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT BECAUSE I THINK IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO YOUR COMMENT, FRED, ON THE OR THIS THAT WE WROTE IN, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT WE REALLY NEED HERE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IN GENERAL, THE COMMUNITY IN EAST STUART RIGHT NOW IS KIND OF PUSHING FOR MORE OF THAT COMMUNITY BASED FAMILY TYPE THING WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTERS AND THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THINGS KIND OF GROW AROUND THE CHURCHES AND THE AND THE COMMUNITY CENTERS. BUT AND SO WE'VE DONE SOME OF THAT THERE. AND, AND WE, YOU KNOW, SO WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT WHERE WE WANT TO GO. I THINK SO THAT'S THAT'S MY THAT'S MY FEELING ON ON WHERE WE'RE AT. SO IF THE, IF I, I GUESS PROBABLY GET A MOTION FROM THE BOARD TO BRING THIS BACK AS A, AS A, AS AN AGENDA ITEM. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NECESSARILY NEED A MOTION JUST AS LONG AS YOU GET CONSENSUS. I MEAN, OKAY, AND I'M NOT IT SEEMS LIKE BOARD MEMBER JAMES HAD A SUGGESTION AND YOU'RE HAVING A SUGGESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A COMBINATION. YOU WANT TO HIRE SOMEBODY AND YOU WANT TO HIRE A CONSULTANT. SO I THE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. I THINK IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME THING, EITHER A CONSULTANT OR A FIRM THAT KNOWS THESE, THAT HAS THESE, THOSE CRITICAL THINGS. IF WE'RE GOING TO HIRE THEM, THEY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, LIKE HE WAS SAYING, IT'S USING ALL DIFFERENT THE DIFFERENT ZONES
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THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. I THINK IF WE JUST GET A CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD, IF WE HAVE A MAJORITY OF YOU THAT WANT SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO COME BACK, WE CAN I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED A MOTION NECESSARILY IF YOU JUST WANT TO GO DOWN AND. OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY OPPOSED TO THAT? NOT OPPOSED I MIGHT ADD A FEW LINE ITEMS, BUT PLEASE DO. I DON'T NEED TO DO THAT NOW. WE CAN DO THAT NEXT TIME. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH YEAH YEAH WE CAN DO THAT. ALRIGHT. SOUNDS GREAT. IF I COULD JUST ONE THING KIND OF HIGH LEVEL IS THE THING THAT I THINK ABOUT IS. AND I THINK LEE KIND OF JUST POINTED OUT SOMETHING TO BE CAUTIOUS OF IS SORT OF DESIGNING THE EXECUTION BEFORE YOU HAVE THE GOAL STATED. SO THE LIKE ONE WAY IS TO HIRE A FULL TIME PERSON THAT MIGHT BE IN PINELLAS STAFF, OR ANOTHER THING MIGHT BE A CONSULTANT THAT YOU'RE ALREADY YOU'RE ALREADY EXECUTING. BUT FIRST WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS THE OBJECTIVE, RIGHT. AND I WOULD JUST SAY MAYBE WHEN WE WHEN WE HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA, MAYBE WE IT MAYBE IT DOESN'T SAY HIRE A SPECIALIST. MAYBE IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT HOW DO WE NEED SOME HELP WITH PUTTING THE MASTER PLAN OR REFRESHING THE MASTER PLAN. AND THEN THAT WILL OPEN IT UP TO HOW YOU DO IT. DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? YEAH. OKAY. PERFECT. SO I AGREE, I HAVE LOTS OF THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS, SO I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT DISCUSSION. OKAY GREAT. ANY OTHER ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY THE BOARD. JUST SO I'M CLEAR. SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A D AND D ITEM WITH SOME SORT OF SUMMARY OF SCOPE OF WORK BASED ON SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS RIGHT NOW, AND WE WOULD ELABORATE MORE ON THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING, BECAUSE WE'LL USE THAT SCOPE OF WORK TO GO OUT FOR RFP, TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO DO THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS THAT THE BOARD IS REQUESTING. IS THAT, AM I CORRECT THOUGHT PROCESS WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO HELP US WITH THE MASTER PLANNING? YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, I THINK SO. WHAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO, THOUGH, IS BRING IT TO BRING IT TO THE CRA AND LET THEM, YOU KNOW, SIGN OFF OF THE OVERALL CONCEPT AND HOW WE THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BEST FACILITATED. BUT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FROM THERE SO YOU KNOW WHO'S INTERNALLY, WHO'S GOING TO COORDINATE IT ALL, IT'S GOING TO BE COORDINATED. YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT AS INDEPENDENT AS POSSIBLE SO THAT STAFF DOESN'T HAVE TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF ANYTHING AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO TAKE A POSITION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AND PROVIDE INFORMATION, BUT THAT WE GET, AGAIN, AN INDEPENDENT. AND THAT'S THE THING. NOBODY THAT'S SELLING A SPECIFIC PROCESS, THAT IT'S AN INDEPENDENT PERSON THAT CAN FACILITATE DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT'S NOT WHAT THAT CONSULTANT WANTS. IT'S WHAT EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WANTS. AND SO IN ORDER TO HIRE A CONSULTANT, WE HAVE TO GO OUT FOR RFP. AND THAT RFP REQUIRES US TO DEVELOP A SCOPE OF WORK. RIGHT. EXACTLY. SO THAT SCOPE OF WORK IS WHAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THIS NEXT MEETING. THE NEXT MEETING. BUT I DON'T WANT THIS TO DRAG OUT SINCE WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING A MONTH. I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE EIGHT MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE WE GET STARTED. YOU KNOW, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO PUSH THIS THING. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? IF IT TAKES SOMETHING ELSE IN TERMS OF AN EXTRA MEETING BY THE CRB THAT WE HAVE AN EXTRA MEETING JUST TO DEAL WITH PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET THAT OUT FASTER TO THE, TO THE CRA AND THE CITY COMMISSION. I THINK THE QUICKER WE MOVE ON THIS THE BETTER. I MEAN, EVEN TODAY WE'RE ASKING THERE'S A DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION OF THE CRA FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. WELL, IT'S PRETTY HARD TO IT'S PRETTY HARD TO LOOK AT THAT AND PUSH A SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC ITEM. IF WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT ITEM IS GOING TO MAKE ANY SENSE WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH VISIONING. SO BUT SO I'D LIKE TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I KNOW HOW IT NORMALLY WORKS. I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT FASTER. IT'S ALL IT'S A FIVE YEAR PLAN. WE CAN ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR WE REVIEW THESE PLANS, THESE PROJECTS. SO IT CAN ALWAYS, ONCE WE GET THE REPORT FROM THE STUDY, THE MASTER PLAN, THE CIP COULD BE REVISED NEXT YEAR. AGAIN AT THIS TIME. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS OTHER FIRST, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT REALLY WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD SPEND SOME MONEY THIS YEAR, FOR EXAMPLE, ON SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE THAT WOULD HELP WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. SO ANYWAY, ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE THE. PANEL. DID YOU WANT TO DID YOU WANT. WELL LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC THEN. IF NOT LET'S SEE IF ON THE FIVE[2. DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION OF THE CRA FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN]
YEAR CAPITAL PLAN CAN YOU KIND OF GO OVER THAT WITH US. AND. SURE, WE CAN DISCUSS IT. SO THE CRA DIRECTOR, FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF OUR DISCUSSION FROM LAST MONTH. WE DISCUSSED VARIOUS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT THAT COULD BE ADDED TO THE CIP. WE WOULD NEED TO DISCUSS PRIORITIZING THOSE PROJECTS. AGAIN, THIS IS ONGOING. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE REVISING THIS LIST EVERY YEAR AS AS CONDITIONS CHANGE IN THE CRA.[00:20:04]
THE LIST WAS PROVIDED TO YOU. I UPDATED THAT LIST BECAUSE THE AGENDA ITEM WAS PUBLISHED BEFORE I WENT ON VACATION, AND WHEN I GOT BACK, I HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO REVIEW THIS LIST, AND I REVISED IT A LITTLE BIT. AND THE EXHIBIT SHOWS THE VARIOUS PROJECTS THAT WERE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING. IT ALSO CATEGORIZES BY WHAT DISTRICT IT'S IN. ALSO, IF IT MEETS THE CRA GOALS, IF IT'S CONTINGENT ON ANY OTHER THINGS, AND ALSO RANKING OF THOSE PROJECTS, AND IF IT'S IDENTIFIED IN ANY SPECIAL MASTER PLAN, I, I ALLOCATED POINTS FOR THESE PROJECTS. SO YOU HAD TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF ONE POINT TO BE ON THE LIST. SO IT HAS TO MEET THE CRA GOAL OR OBJECTIVE TO BE ON THE LIST. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MAXIMUM OF THREE POINTS IN ORDER TO BE IN A HIGHER PRIORITY AND TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THE CIP IN THE NEXT 3 TO 5 YEARS. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRIANGLE DISTRICT STREETSCAPE PROJECT, IT MEETS THE CRA OBJECTIVE, CRA GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. IT'S ALSO IDENTIFIED IN THE TRIANGLE DISTRICT MASTER PLAN. IT HAS COME UP AT THE CRA CRB MEETING, SO THAT RECEIVED A TOTAL SCORE OF THREE POINTS.BAYVIEW PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AGAIN, IT'S IN THE EASTWARD NEIGHBORHOOD. IT MEETS THE CRA GOAL OF CONNECTIVITY. IT'S IN THE EAST STUART CITIZENS MASTER PLAN. SO THAT RECEIVED THREE POINTS. DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. THAT'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT MEETS THE CRA GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. IT'S IDENTIFIED IN THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN 2015 WHEN WE EXPANDED THE CRA BOUNDARY. AND JUST LAST WEEK WE FOUND OUT THAT WE ARE GETTING $1.6 MILLION GRANT FOR THAT PROJECT. SO THAT PROJECT DID GET PRIORITIZED BECAUSE WE ALREADY ARE 30% DESIGN COMPLETED ON THAT PROJECT. AND SO WE COULD WE COULD FINISH OUT THE DESIGN THIS YEAR AND CONSTRUCTION COULD BE NEXT YEAR. THE BALBOA POCKET PARK EXTENSION. THAT KIND OF TIES IN WITH THE STATEMENT DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THAT WOULD BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE STATEMENT DRAINAGE AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. AND THEN THE EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD STREETSCAPE AND ALLEYWAY IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S AGAIN IDENTIFIED IN OUR MASTER PLAN. IT WOULD INCLUDE DRAINAGE, UNDERGROUNDING ANY INTERSECTION, IMPROVEMENTS TO ADDRESS SAFETY, SAFETY CONCERNS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WOULD PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY SO THAT THAT WAS ALSO PRIORITIZED. 10TH STREET COMMUNITY CENTER, THAT THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD TIE IN REALLY WELL WITH THE GUY DAVIS COMMUNITY PARK IMPROVEMENTS. THAT IS SLATED TO GO IN CONSTRUCTION NEXT YEAR SO THAT WE COULD START WORKING ON THE DESIGN FOR THE COMMUNITY PARK. AS THE PARK IS IN CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN AND THEN DO THE REHAB PROJECT FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. SOON AFTER THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS ARE COMPLETED SO THAT THE WHOLE SITE, IT FEELS LIKE A COMPLETE PROJECT. EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD GATEWAY SIGNAGE AND 10TH STREET AT 10TH STREET THAT COULD BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE 10TH STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. SO WHEN WE DO THE 10TH STREET COMMUNITY CENTER, IT'S ON THE 10TH STREET. SO WE COULD ALSO TIE THAT IN WITH THE STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS. WHEN WE DO THE COMMUNITY CENTER IMPROVEMENTS, CRA WIDE RIGHT OF WAY, STREET TREE PROGRAM, MASTER PLAN. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PRIORITIZED AND WE COULD START WORKING ON THE MASTER PLAN THIS YEAR OR EARLY NEXT YEAR, AND THEN THAT COULD GO INTO CONSTRUCTION PHASE IN 2026 AND 2027. AND SO THE REST OF THE PROJECTS ARE JUST PRIORITY.
THEY'RE LOW, LOWER PRIORITY. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE PROJECTS FOR 3 TO 5 YEARS. SO I DID DO THE CIP BUDGET SUMMARY, WHICH WAS ALSO HANDED OUT TO YOU TODAY. SOME OF THE PROJECTS ARE ALREADY IN THE IN THE IN PROGRESS. SO ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN GRAY FOR 2025, THOSE ARE ALREADY BUDGETED AND THEY'RE ALREADY IN IN PROGRESS. THE PROJECTS THAT I ADDED SINCE OUR MEETING AND OUR DISCUSSION ARE STATEMENT DRAINAGE AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT, I PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, $4 MILLION. LIKE I SAID, WE RECEIVED $1.6 MILLION IN GRANT FOR DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS. SO WHILE WE'RE DOING THE DRAINAGE, WE'LL ALSO REPAIR AND ADD ANY SIDEWALKS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S ALSO A REQUEST FOR BALBOA PARK EXTENSION, SO WE
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WOULD INCORPORATE THAT ALSO INTO THAT PROJECT. SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE BIG PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD DO NEXT YEAR. AND THEN THE RIGHT OF WAY STREET TREE PROGRAM THAT WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP AT THE CRB MEETING AND CRA MEETING. SO WE WOULD WORK ON A MASTER PLAN FOR THAT AND START IMPLEMENTING THAT NEXT YEAR. AND IN 2027, THE TRIANGLE DISTRICT DIXIE HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY IN THE BUDGET FOR 2027, BECAUSE WE RECEIVED A GRANT FOR THAT MLK COMPLETE STREET PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY IN THE BUDGET FOR $5 MILLION IN 2028, AND WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THE DESIGN FOR THAT. THE THIRD PAGE OF THAT SUMMARY ARE THE NEW PROJECTS THAT I ADDED, THE NEW PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. I PUT THAT FOR DESIGN IN 2027 AND CONSTRUCTION IN 2028. I THOUGHT THAT WE COULD APPLY FOR GRANT IN IN 2026 FOR THAT, FOR THAT BRIDGE, AND IT WOULD ALIGN REALLY WELL WITH THE MLK STREETSCAPE PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE SAME AREA. SO BOTH MLK STREETSCAPE PROJECT AND THE BAYVIEW PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE COULD HAPPEN IN 2028. TRIANGLE DISTRICT STREETSCAPE, THAT WOULD BE THE WHOLE TRIANGLE DISTRICT IN THE EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD AREA. WE COULD WORK ON STREETSCAPE DESIGN IN 2027 AND DO THE CONSTRUCTION IN PHASES IN 2029 AND 2030 10TH STREET COMMUNITY CENTER REHAB PROJECT. WE COULD DO THE DESIGN IN 2028. LIKE I SAID, THE GUY DAVIS COMMUNITY PARK SHOULD GO IN CONSTRUCTION IN NEXT YEAR. IT'S A 1818 MONTH PROJECT, SO WE HOPE TO BE COMPLETED BY 2027 SO WE COULD START WORKING ON THE DESIGN FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER IN 2028 AND THEN DO THE ACTUAL REHAB WORK IN 2030 AND THEN 10TH STREET STREETSCAPE AND GATEWAY SIGNAGE AGAIN, THAT WOULD TIE IN WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTER BECAUSE IT'S IN THE SAME IT'S ON THE IT'S ON 10TH STREET. SO WE COULD DO THE STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE SAME TIME AS WE DO THE DESIGN FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. SO THAT'S HOW I PRIORITIZE BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION. I'M OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS AND COMMENTS. OKAY. ANY ANY INITIAL COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY. JUST ONE QUESTION FOR THE LANDSCAPING, THE TREE PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN.IS THERE FUNDING TO MAINTAIN THOSE THOSE THOSE AREAS? I'M SORRY. IS THERE FUNDING TO MAINTAIN THE TREES AND STUFF THAT YOU PUT IN? I DO HAVE A SEPARATE BUDGET THAT I DO EVERY YEAR FOR MAINTENANCE. IT'S NOT IN THE CIP. YOU WON'T SEE THIS IN THE CIP SUMMARY BECAUSE THESE ARE THE HIGH, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS. BUT THE MAINTENANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD BE IN THE ACTUAL BUDGET. SO YOU HAVE A SEPARATE SORT OF OPERATION BUDGET, RIGHT? YEAH, I GOT IT.
OKAY. THESE ARE PROJECTS. YEAH, I GOT IT. THE I HAVE I HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT. A LOT OF THESE ITEMS ARE GOING TO AFFECT EAST STEWART. I MEAN MOST I WOULD SAY PROBABLY 80%. I DIDN'T LOOK IT UP, BUT I'D SAY ABOUT 80% IS PROBABLY 85% IS EAST. STEWART, CAN WE PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT'S GOING TO SHOW WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHAT IT WILL BE LIKE IN THE INTERIM, AND THEN WHAT IT WILL BE DONE, WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S DONE, AND THEN HAVE AT LEAST ONE MEETING IN EAST STEWART WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN COME OUT AND SEE THAT WE CAN EVEN HAVE ONE OF OUR, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR CRB MEETINGS OVER THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN HAVE IT PRESENTED. THE COMMUNITY CAN COME OUT AND SEE WHAT ACTUALLY IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, RATHER THAN WAITING UNTIL 2030. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A TWEAK, THEY CAN MAKE IT NOW. SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT WAS IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WOULD THINK WOULD BE WORTHWHILE. DO YOU MEAN FOR ALL THE PROJECTS AND DO YOU MEAN LIKE A LIKE A RENDERING? YOU MEAN VISUALIZATION OR. YEAH, I GUESS FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IN EAST STEWART HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS THAT ARE ON THIS, THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND THIS SCHEDULING, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SO PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE MAKING CHANGES TO AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND ALL THAT. WELL, SO ALREADY IN THE EAST STEWART MASTER PLAN. SO THEY'VE SEEN THIS THESE PROJECTS AS FAR AS ANY CONCEPTUAL AND RENDERINGS FOR THESE PROJECTS IN THE MASTER PLAN. WE'VE ALREADY HAD NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING FOR THE MLK STREETSCAPE PROJECT. THE COMMUNITY HAS REQUESTED REHAB OF THE 10TH STREET COMMUNITY CENTER. SO THEY THEY THAT'S
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SOMETHING THEY ARE INTERESTED IN. AGAIN, THIS HAS TO BE APPROVED BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO THE COMMUNITY AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. THIS HAS TO BE APPROVED DURING THE BUDGET YEAR, SO IT WILL COME BEFORE THE BOARD, CRB AND CRA BOARD IN SEPTEMBER FOR APPROVAL. AND THEN ONCE THE CIP IS ADOPTED WITH THE NEW PROJECTS, THEN IT'S KIND OF LOCKED IN EVEN IT'S STILL NOT CONSIDERED LOCKED IN BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON THE BUDGET. THINGS COULD CHANGE EVERY YEAR. WE COULD DECIDE THAT THE PROJECTS MIGHT NEED TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP AND GETS PRIORITIZED. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK THAT WHAT HAPPENS, I KNOW THIS HAPPENS TO ME TOO, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT A PROJECT, A PROJECT PRESENTED, WE GO THROUGH IT, WE ANALYZE IT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP A COUPLE MONTHS LATER AND SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP A YEAR LATER. AND, AND YOU NEVER GET TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S IN THE MASTER PLAN, BUT I DON'T THINK PEOPLE OUT THERE ARE LOOKING AT THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS UNLESS THEY HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC INTEREST. AND I THINK ONE OF THE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT IS THAT WE HAVE A TENDENCY WE DO IT THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M NOT BLAMING STAFF OR ANYTHING. I'M JUST SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE LIVING THEIR NORMAL LIVES, LIVING THEIR NORMAL LIVES, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMETHING POPS UP AND EVERYBODY'S SAID, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS IS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW? AND I'M JUST WONDERING IT DOESN'T WE IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT'S GOING TO BE APPROVED, BUT IF IT'S ON OUR LIST AND WE'RE IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT, I THINK WE COULD PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER SO THAT PEOPLE COULD LOOK AT IT AS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, MAYBE JUST GO THROUGH THE FIVE YEAR, YOU KNOW, THE MASTER PLAN WITH THEM, BUT SHOWING THESE SPECIFIC ITEMS, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE MONEY WELL SPENT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY. SO IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE, IT'D BE A WHOLE LOT BETTER IF WE COULD MAKE THOSE CHANGES. YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD AND FIND OUT THAT SOMETHING'S NOT FEASIBLE. I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THE VISIONING SESSION, THEN THAT WILL KIND OF BRING TO LIGHT AS FAR AS WHAT PROJECTS NEED TO BE PRIORITIZED, YOU KNOW, SO IF THERE'S SOME THINGS NEED TO BE MOVED UP OR MOVED OUT, WE CAN DO THAT AS PART OF THE VISIONING SESSION. YEAH. AND THEN IT COULD BE BROUGHT UP DURING THAT TIME BECAUSE NEXT YEAR IS ALREADY WE ALREADY HAVE IN 2026. WE ALREADY HAVE A DRAINAGE PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE UP MOST OF THE BUDGET. SO I HAVE UNTIL NEXT YEAR WITH THE VISIONING SESSION TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PROJECTS EAST STUART WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE IN THE NEXT 4 OR 5 YEARS. I THINK WE HAVE TIME. OKAY. I THINK, MARK, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE HELPFUL IS JUST WHEN WE'RE CREATING THE SCOPE FOR THESE, FOR THE DESIGN PROCESS, THAT IT DOES HAVE HEAVY COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, LOTS OF ADVERTISEMENT AND LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR INPUT. I THINK THE MPO DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT THEY GET THE WORD OUT FOR THEIR PROJECTS, SO WE COULD SORT OF FOLLOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT THAT WAY PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED IN THE INITIAL DESIGN PROCESS. SO THERE'S NOT THIS THIS FEELING OF A, HEY, WE DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS HAPPENING OR YEAH, THIS ISN'T WHAT I WANTED. WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE I WOULD HATE TO BRING THIS FORWARD TO THEM THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING. I'D RATHER IT COME FROM THEM WHEN WE DO THE VISIONING SESSION THAT THIS IS WHAT WE THINK IS PRIORITY. NOW YOU TELL US WHEN IS WHEN YOU CAN BUDGET THIS. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT BRIEFLY AND I MENTIONED TO YOU THAT WHAT I'M ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO AS WELL IS FOCUS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S WE DO HAVE ECONOMIC BLIGHT IN TERMS OF NOT HAVING HIGH VALUE JOBS. AND WE'VE WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THE WITH PROJECT LIFT AND THOSE THOSE ARE ONE SETS OF SET OF JOBS THAT ARE SKILLED JOBS THAT WILL PROVIDE INCOME, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY WHAT ARE THE ONLY THINGS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF INCUBATOR SYSTEM, THE ORIGINAL PROJECT THAT'S NOW PROJECT LIFT TAKING OVER WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO BE, I THINK, WITH AN INCUBATOR PROGRAM OF SOME KIND. IT WAS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO HAVE LIKE A, A PLACE YOU COULD GO IN AND YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, WORK AND, AND HAVE AND HAVE TRAINING AND MEETINGS AND THINGS FOR PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, WHO WANT TO OWN THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE EMPLOYING THE PLUMBERS AND THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE SOMEBODY THAT'S INTERESTED IN OWNING A BUSINESS THAT DOES ACCOUNTING OR WHATEVER, WE DON'T HAVE THAT FOR WE DON'T HAVE IT FOR STUART. WE DON'T HAVE IT FOR EAST STUART RIGHT NOW. YOU'D HAVE TO GO OUT TO URSC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE USED TO HAVE IN AT JOHNSON[00:35:02]
AVENUE. WE USED TO HAVE A BUILDING WHERE THEY HAD AN INCUBATOR SYSTEM, AN INCUBATOR PROGRAM. IT KIND OF CLOSED UP AFTER AFTER THE DEPRESSION OF 2009 AND 2010, IT WAS RUN BY SCORE AND THE SMALL BUSINESS GROUP UP IN URSC. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT OVER IN EAST STUART, WHERE IT'S BEEN VISIONED TO BE FOR A LONG TIME, AND IT WOULD BE A I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT PROGRAM FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE THAT KIND OF AN INCUBATOR PROGRAM. THE WAY THAT WORKED IS YOU WERE THEY HAD PEOPLE THAT WOULD GIVE YOU GUIDANCE ON HOW TO START YOUR BUSINESS, WHAT KIND OF THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO, WHAT KIND OF THINGS YOU SHOULD LOOK OUT FOR.THEY PROVIDED AN OFFICE, BUT YOU WERE LIMITED. YOU CAN ONLY BE THERE FOR A YEAR. THAT WASN'T A PERMANENT SITE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS TO GET YOU BORN AND OUT. AND SO. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN FOCUS ON SOME OF THAT AS WELL. AND IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE'RE DOING SOME SIGNIFICANT PHYSICAL REDEVELOPMENT, IF WE CAN ALSO COUPLE THAT WITH SOME ECONOMIC REDEVELOPMENT, IT WOULD BE I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY A GOOD THING. I DID SPEAK WITH THE CITY MANAGER, AND HE DID MENTION THAT THERE'S A REACH PROGRAM AT THE AIRPORT THAT URSC PARTNER WITH MARTIN COUNTY TO PROVIDE THAT PROGRAM AT THE AIRPORT LOCATION, WHICH IS PRETTY CLOSE TO EAST STUART. I CAN HAVE MAYBE SOMEBODY COME AND GIVE A PRESENTATION AS WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING THERE. I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD BE OFFERING. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THOUGH I MEAN, I THINK THAT THE FOCUS ON THAT PROGRAM IS ON IS ON HIGH PAYING, YOU KNOW. AIR, AIR, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, AIRPORT TYPE OR NOT AIRPORT BUT NAUTICAL. YEAH. AERONAUTICAL JOBS AND THAT'S FINE. AND WE NEED THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY. WE NEED MORE TRADES JOBS AND TRADES TYPE PROGRAMS IN THE COMMUNITY I THINK. BUT BUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS BUSINESS OWNERS AND INCUBATORS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET OUT FROM WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND START THEIR OWN BUSINESS. AND, AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE TO DO THAT. I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE MAKING MONEY IN A MILLION DIFFERENT WAYS. I NEVER IMAGINED I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT. THERE'S SUCH A THING CALLED AN INFLUENCER WHO GETS WHO MAKES MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR BECAUSE SOMEBODY PUSHES A BUTTON ON THEIR PHONE. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THERE'S ONE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM RIGHT NOW LOOKING. YEAH, PUT THAT AWAY. BUT BUT YOU KNOW, SO IT'S YOU KNOW, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT'S AN AREA THAT I THINK WE'RE MISSING RIGHT NOW.
IF WE COULD PROVIDE THAT RESOURCE IN STUART, IT WOULD BE A GREAT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND IT WOULD BE A GREAT THING FOR THE CRA, BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD INCREASE INCREASE VALUE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO START THEIR BUSINESSES AND MAYBE SUBSEQUENTLY RELOCATE HERE IN TERMS OF THAT TYPE OF PROGRAM. WHEN I LIVED IN SPARTANBURG, SOUTH CAROLINA, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THEIR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, OR IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE CITY.
I'M NOT SURE, BUT I WILL CHECK BECAUSE THEY HAD A PROGRAM LIKE THAT, AND IT WAS REALLY SUCCESSFUL IN HELPING PEOPLE TO GET BUSINESSES STARTED. SO MAYBE I CAN SEND THAT TO YOU AS AN EXAMPLE. AND WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT THEIR FRAMEWORK WAS. SURE THAT WOULD BE. THAT WOULD BE GOOD. THAT'S KIND OF A SORE SPOT WITH ME. I'M I'M A NEWBIE, SO I'M JUST CATCHING ON, BUT I'M CATCHING UP. OKAY. I WAS READING HOW THE CR CR BOUNDARIES WAS EXPANDED TO INCLUDE EAST STUART BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH MONEY GENERATED TO PRODUCE TO FUND THOSE PROGRAMS. SO EAST STUART WAS BROUGHT IN AND THEN MONEY WAS AVAILABLE. SO YES, THE CITIZENS OF EAST STUART SHOULD BE IN THOSE DECISION MAKINGS. YES, THERE SHOULD BE INCUBATORS. THE CITY SHOULD PROVIDE THAT TYPE OF TRAINING AND HELP, I BELIEVE, FOR THE CITIZENS THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED SO MUCH AND CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I WAS READING, LIKE I SAID, I'M A NEWBIE, I'M GETTING CAUGHT UP THE TIF AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER AREAS OF MONIES COULD BE UTILIZED. FOR SOME. I THINK IT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS. YEAH, IT COULD. I THINK THEY COULD TOO.
SO I THINK THERE ARE THINGS WE SHOULD LOOK AT. AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN PUT IN THE GENERAL BUDGET AS FAR AS MY, YOU KNOW, MY OPERATION BUDGET, IF WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH IRS OR BDB TO DEVELOP SOME SORT OF PARTNERSHIP TO OFFER THESE PROGRAMS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. BUT, YOU KNOW, PANOLA AND MAYBE THIS IS MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING FOR THE EAST STUART HISTORICAL GROUP. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WAS REALLY SUCCESSFUL IS DOWN OFF OF OLD DIXIE DOWN THERE IN ON THE WAY TO PORT SALERNO IN THE GOLDEN GATE AREA. THEY REDID THAT BUILDING DOWN THERE, AND THEY USE IT FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS. BUT IF WE COULD ADD THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY AND DO IT THROUGH A, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DO IT
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THROUGH A RE REDEVELOPMENT OF HISTORICAL PROPERTY, THAT THAT IS MAYBE AT A RISK OF BEING LOST OR TORN DOWN OR WHATEVER. I WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT TOO, IF THERE'S SOMETHING OUT THERE AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME HISTORICAL PROPERTY THAT THAT THIS WOULD FIT WITH AS A, AS A USE. BUT AN EVEN A DEVELOPMENT OF A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. RIGHT. TO FACILITATE SOMETHING. YEAH. YEAH. NO I AGREE. AND YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME EMPHASIS ON THAT.OKAY. IS ANYTHING ELSE. ANY COMMENTS. OKAY. WHY DON'T YOU GO FIRST. IT FEELS WEIRD STARTING IN THE MIDDLE. SO I'M DONE. OKAY I HAVE NO NO YOU DON'T HAVE TO EITHER BY THE WAY. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT AND MAKE YOU FEEL THIS. THAT'S GOOD. I NEED TO GET EDUCATED. THAT'S THE THING WE ALL DO. LET'S SEE. WHERE DO I START? IN TERMS, I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THE EAST STUART NEIGHBORHOOD STREETSCAPE AND THE 10TH STREETSCAPE STREETSCAPE HERE. THAT WAS GOOD DIRECTION THAT WE GOT AT THE MARCH 10TH MEETING, AND IT WAS GREAT TO HAVE COMMUNITY MEMBERS COME AND SPEAK ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS WITHIN THE CRA PORTION OF THOSE STREETS. I WOULD OBVIOUSLY, YOU'VE GOT TO PUT THESE SOMEWHERE IN THE BUDGET, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT AT FIVE YEARS FOR SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS. IS IT POSSIBLE? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS MORE IN YOUR OPERATIONS BUDGET TO FOR BOTH OF THOSE TO HAVE A SMALL BUDGET OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS FOR INTERIM SOLUTIONS. SO TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS THAT ARE VERY CHEAP AND AFFORDABLE BUT WOULD IMPROVE SHORT TERM SAFETY UNTIL THE LONG TERM CONSTRUCTION HAPPENS. YES.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD COST A LOT YOU KNOW. YEAH I DO PUT IN MY BUDGET NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS OKAY. JUST GENERAL. SO IF THERE'S SOME SAFETY ISSUES WE NEED TO ADDRESS. SO THAT WOULD OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I KNOW ON MY PORTION OF 10TH STREET WE GOT THOSE N STREET CROSSWALK SIGNS.
YEAH. AND FOLKS ARE THRILLED ABOUT THEM. BUT YOU KNOW WOULD LOVE TO SEE THOSE OUT IN FRONT OF THE 10TH STREET COMMUNITY CENTER. AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WOULD BE CRA OR IF THAT WOULD BE. MILTON. BUT YEAH, WE'LL COORDINATE. OKAY. IF HE NEEDS TO GET, YOU KNOW, SOME FUNDING FROM THE CRA. WE WILL ON THAT EFFORT. YEAH. AND IN TERMS OF FUNDING FOR THOSE, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT AND I WILL SEND THIS TO CITY STAFF, THE NEW SAFE STREETS FOR ALL FEDERAL GRANTS JUST CAME OUT. AND THERE'S SOME NEW GUIDANCE ALONG WITH THAT OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF WHO THEY WOULD AWARD GRANTS TO. BUT I THINK SPECIFICALLY 10TH STREET, THAT PORTION OF 10TH STREET. SO IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER UP TO PALM BEACH ROAD, YOU'VE GOT A COMMUNITY CENTER, YOU'VE GOT A PARK, YOU'VE GOT ACCESS TO SCHOOLS. IT'D BE A REALLY GOOD CANDIDATE FOR FUNDING. SO KEEP THAT ONE IN MIND JUST AS A FUNDING SOURCE FOR YOU ALL.
YEAH. OKAY. WHAT? YEAH. THANKS. SO I'M NOT VERY SMART, SO I NEED TO WALK THROUGH THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT. JUST SO, LIKE, BIG PICTURE, I UNDERSTAND. I THINK I HAVE IT I'M RIGHT BEHIND FREDERICK. HE'S A LITTLE AHEAD OF ME, BUT I'M. I'M NOT TOO FAR BEHIND. SO. SO IF I LOOK AT THE COLUMN 2025, YOU DON'T YOU'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY ACTION FROM THIS GROUP FOR ANY OF THOSE.
THOSE ARE SET THAT WAS APPROVED LAST BUDGET. YEAH. AND SO THOSE ARE JUST GOING TO BE EXECUTED.
ALL DONE. RIGHT. FANTASTIC. AND THERE'S LOTS OF COMMUNITY INPUT. AND THERE WERE SEVERAL YEARS OF EFFORT. AND IT'S BEING DELIVERED AS REQUESTED. AND EVERYBODY'S HOLDING HANDS AND WE'RE DANCING AND WE'RE HAPPY. RIGHT. THAT'S FANTASTIC. SO AS WE LOOK AT 26, I GUESS IT'S AFTER 25 THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR CONSIDERATION AND PERHAPS SOME DELIBERATION, DISCUSSION, GUIDANCE FROM THIS GROUP TO RECOMMEND TO THE COMMISSION OR SORRY, I GUESS TO THE CRA WHO WOULD THEN SUPPORT OR NOT FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS. OKAY, GREAT. SO. CAN WE DO THAT NOW? CAN WE GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE NOW. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS, BALBOA PARK EXTENSION, WHICH I SEE THAT AS SIDEWALK TREES, STREETSCAPE AND THE DRAINAGE ALL GOING IN. SO TO ME THAT'S IT'S A BIT OF A NO BRAINER. YOU'VE ALREADY GOT A COUPLE OF YEARS AND EFFORT INTO IT. SO I SEE THAT'S A SIZABLE BUDGET IN 26. BUT DO YOU STILL NEED APPROVAL TO EXECUTE THAT. NO, BECAUSE WE ALREADY APPLIED. WE REQUESTED THE BOARD TO
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AUTHORIZE US TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT BACK IN 2024. AND WHAT IF WE ARE AWARDED THE GRANT? THE CITY MANAGER HAS THE AUTHORITY TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT FOR THE GRANT. SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. SO WE DON'T I MEAN, THE BOARD COULD SAY WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS. WE DON'T WANT TO. NO, NO, NO WE'RE WE OR I DO WE SUPPORT BUT OR I SUPPORT. BUT THE I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF SO THAT'S THAT'S ALTHOUGH IT'S IN 2026 IT'S ALSO COMMITTED. IT'S WELL 1.6 MILLION IS THE GRANT. AND THEN THE REMAINING WOULD BE THE TIF. GOT IT. AND I'M GOING TO CONTINUE WITH JUST A COUPLE MORE. BUT THAT'S YOU REMINDED ME SOMETHING I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR, FOR US AND PERHAPS OTHERS IS AND I'M GETTING QUITE DETAILED I APOLOGIZE, BUT EITHER BY BY ITEM OR MAYBE IT'S ON THE TOTAL DOWN BELOW IS TO HAVE SOME IDEA OF THE BUDGET OF COMING OUT OF THE CRA, VERSUS HOW MUCH IS COMING AS GRANTS OR MATCHING OR PIECES OR PERCENTAGES. SURE. YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN. SO THIS, THAT 4 MILLION, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S NOT THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR THE PROJECT. WELL, THE WAY A LOT OF THESE GRANTS WORK, THEY ARE BASED ON REIMBURSEMENT. SO I HAVE TO BUDGET UP FRONT. I HAVE TO HAVE THAT MONEY IN MY FUND BALANCE. I GOT IT AND THEN IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT ONCE THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED. SO I PROBABLY WON'T GET THAT $1.6 MILLION UNTIL 2027. RIGHT? SO YOU'RE SAYING SO THE PROJECT IS 5.7 OR IT'S ACTUALLY 2.3. IT'S $4 MILLION. 1.6 MILLION OF THAT IS THE GRANT. BUT THE I HAVE TO BUDGET, I HAVE TO HAVE $4 MILLION IN MY FUND BALANCE TO BUDGET. GOT IT. BUT THE ACTUAL COST OF THE PROJECT IS NOT IS NOT TO. THE CRA IS NOT GOING TO BE 4 MILLION. NO, BECAUSE WE'LL GET REIMBURSED IN 2027. SO IN 2027, LET'S SAY THE TIF REVENUE IS ABOUT $7 MILLION, RIGHT? I WILL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE OF 1.6 MILLION. OH, THAT'S NICE, ISN'T IT? SO I'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN 2027 TO BUDGET FOR OTHER. YEAH. SO IF WE HAD KIND OF A FORECAST EITHER AT A BOTTOM ROW TO THE WHOLE SHEET BY BY YEAR, THEN WE COULD START TO SEE THAT. RIGHT. IT'S, IT MIGHT YOU MIGHT DO KIND OF A GANTT CHART. IT'S NOT QUITE A GANTT CHART BUT IT'S THAT WAY OVER TIME YOU CAN SEE THE COMMITMENT, THE BEGINNING AND ENDING OF THE COMMITMENT, BUT ALSO THE PERCENTAGE OF WHICH WE'RE PAYING VERSUS BEING MATCHED OR GRANT. AND WHAT'S COMING BACK IN THE, IN THE IN THE FUTURE. IT'D BE SUPER HELPFUL FOR THESE LARGE SORT OF STRATEGIC LONG TERM PROJECTS AND THINGS. I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL. SO IF I LOOK TO. SOME OF THE SO THE AND I THINK SOME OTHER MEMBERS HERE HAVE MENTIONED IT, BUT THE STREET STREETSCAPE PROJECT SO CRA WIDE. SO THAT SEEMS TO HAVE LOTS OF ENTHUSIASM AND ENERGY HERE. SO BUT I ALTHOUGH YOU HAVE FUNDING IN 26 AND 27 THAT'S NOT COMMITTED YET. RIGHT. THAT'S JUST AN IDEA. THAT'S RIGHT. SO ARE YOU LOOKING FOR AN ACTION OF THIS BODY TO SAY, HEY LOOK, LET'S GO DO THIS, THAT THEN THE CRA WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER. RIGHT? GREAT. I WILL BUDGET IT. WHEN IN UPCOMING NEW BUDGET YEAR FOR 2026. YOU'LL SEE IN THE BUDGET IN SEPTEMBER. RIGHT. SO MAYBE I ASK THE CHAIR, SHOULD I, SHOULD I MOVE FOR THAT NOW? OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR LIKE A SLUG OF 3 OR 4 MOTIONS OR APPROVALS ALL AT ONCE? SO HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS? JUST JUST FEEDBACK ON YEAH. YOU AGREE WITH WHAT'S BUDGETED FOR 2026. SO THEN I WILL PUT THAT IN MY BUDGET NEXT YEAR. MAYBE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. SO DO WE NEED TO DO WE NEED TO VOTE. DOES THIS BODY NEED TO VOTE ON EACH PARTICULAR PROJECT OR DO WE DOES SHE DOES PANEL GET OUR KIND OF OUR TEMPERATURE OUR CONSENSUS VIEW. AND THEN SHE TAKES IT FROM THERE TO MAKE THE PROPOSAL TO THE CRA. OR HOW DO YOU SHE'S I THINK SHE'S LOOKING FOR WHAT THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC VOTE. OH, I SEE OKAY, BUT BUT JUST TO SEE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, JUST LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING. OKAY. HERE'S WHAT I THINK SHOULD, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO. AND DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON IT? I THINK THAT'S THAT'S PRIMARILY YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT REMEMBERING THAT WHAT WE SAY TONIGHT IS JUST GIVING HER PERMISSION TO GO FORWARD. YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH, YEAH. REMEMBER, THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY VOTE ON ARE ART AND SOMETHING ELSE. WE HAVE HARDLY ANYTHING WE CAN VOTE ON THAT. THE MULES AT THE BATHROOM. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT, THE MULES, THE. SO I GUESS THE STREETSCAPE STUFF. SIDEWALK UNDERGROUNDING TREES. ANY OF THAT. YOU GOT MY SUPPORT. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE BOARD FEELS, BUT THE THOSE KINDS OF PROJECTS I THINK ARE THEY'RE[00:50:03]
NOT SO CONTROVERSIAL. I THINK THEY'RE NOT THE BIG VISIONARY. THEY'RE NOT THE BIG PROJECTS WHERE WE DO NEED HELP WITH THE VISION, THOSE THINGS THAT WE NEED HELP WITH, VISION THAT WILL COME. BUT WE GOT TO GET THE VISION. BUT THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE KIND OF, AS I WAS CALLING THEM THE OTHER DAY, NO BRAINERS. WE SHOULD JUST PLOW AHEAD. THAT'S MY VIEW. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A VIEW ON THE OTHER REMAINING ON YOUR THIRD PAGE? DO YOU AGREE WITH SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED BY YOU? YEAH, THAT'S A TO ME, THAT'S AN EASY ONE. OBVIOUSLY THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO WEIGH IN. I'VE JUST SCUTTLEBUTT ON THE STREET. I YOU KNOW, SOME FOLKS I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. SOME FOLKS SAY, WELL, MAYBE NOT. SO. RIGHT. GO OUT THERE. LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT EVEN PROJECTED UNTIL 2027. WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE VISIONING AND GET INPUT FEEDBACK. RIGHT. SO THAT THAT'S KIND OF HOW I WAS LOOKING AT THOSE THAT ARE 27 AND OUT. MAYBE WE'LL GET SOME FEEDBACK OR SOME CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMUNITY, SO ON. AND THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT ME BACK TO 25 AND 26. SO, SO REALLY SO 25 IS CEMENTED. YOU DON'T NEED A LOT OF FEEDBACK THERE. IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE 26 BUT ALSO THE STRATEGY. AND I GUESS YOU GOT WHAT YOU NEEDED FROM US IN THE DISCUSSION SINCE WE MET LAST TIME. BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE THAT GRANT. RIGHT. SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT PROJECTS WE WOULD DO NEXT YEAR OR WHAT PROJECTS I WOULD APPROPRIATE FUNDING FOR NEXT YEAR. BUT ONCE I RECEIVED A LETTER LAST WEEK THAT WE'RE GETTING A GRANT FOR 1.6 MILLION, THAT MADE IT EASY FOR ME TO SAY STATEMENT A NEIGHBORHOOD GETS PRIORITIZED BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING GRANT AND I'M AND I'M JUST RECALLING THAT THE. AND THEN I'LL BE QUIET. I PROMISE THE YOU KNOW, YOU AND THE TEAM HAVE PUT LOTS OF EFFORT INTO THIS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND COMMUNITY'S BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME OF THESE LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. OSCEOLA STREET EXTENSION, THE CITY HALL REDEVELOPMENT. WE DISCUSSED THIS A LITTLE BIT LAST TIME A DOWNTOWN PARKING GARAGE, A TRAIN STATION, AND ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED BY THE CRA AND SOMEWHAT PLANNED AND BUDGETED AND SO ON. I, I JUST THINK THAT THOSE WELL, THEY MAY BE THEY MAY GET SUPPORT BY THE CRB. THOSE PROBABLY REQUIRE A BIT MORE ANALYSIS PERHAPS, OR CONSIDERATION BEFORE BEFORE WE RECOMMEND ANY OF THOSE. SO IT'S LIKE THE I'M JUST REITERATING PERHAPS IT'S SOME OF THESE EASIER ONES THAT I THINK WE JUST PROCEED WITH. OKAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY, GOOD. I YOU KNOW, I WANT TO JUST SAY I, I AGREE WITH THAT. I MEAN, I THINK THAT SOME OF THESE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE ON THE PLANS FOR A WHILE, WE NOW HAVE THE MONEY IN PLACE TO DO THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE.I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP, THOUGH, AND YOU JUST MENTIONED IT, IS THE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT. I, I'M GOING TO THROW OUT FIRST SOME SUGGESTIONS OF MAYBE PRIORITIZING SOME OF THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS AND I KIND OF WANTED TO EXPLAIN A COMMENT I MADE AT THE CRA MEETING. THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS. ONE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A PROGRAM. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE SAID IN TERMS OF THE CHANGES AND THE STRUCTURE AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO. YOU CAN CHANGE THE CODE ALL YOU WANT. YOU CAN DO ALL YOU WANT WITH, WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS. BUT IF THEY CAN'T BE FINANCED THROUGH SOME SORT OF PRIVATE LENDING, PRIVATE FUNDING OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET WHAT YOU WANT, RIGHT? SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED, I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT AND I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE, BUT PEOPLE THINK I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CITY LOANING MONEY AND I'M NOT. SO BUT I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I CAN'T DO THAT IN THE SUNSHINE UNTIL WE HAVE A MEETING LIKE THIS. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT THERE. IF WE COME UP WITH A VISION FOR HOW WE WANT, LET'S AND I'LL USE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. LET'S SAY WE WANT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT NOW WE'VE GOT A COMMUNITY LIKE FRAZIER CREEK OR FRAZIER CREEK HAS A MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. AND SINCE IT STARTED OUT AS RESIDENTIAL, AND IT'S IN THE PROCESS OF CONVERTING SOME OF THEIR PROPERTIES TO COMMERCIAL, IT'S CONSIDERED TRANSITIONAL. AND PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA KNOW THAT IT CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET FUNDING BECAUSE FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC DON'T FUND COMMERCIAL. AND IF YOU'RE PLACE, EVEN IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL, IF THE APPRAISER COMES OUT AND SAYS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE IS COMMERCIAL, YOU DON'T GET THAT, ALL RIGHT? YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T GET FANNIE MAE, FREDDIE MAC. IF, ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU GO COMMERCIAL. SO LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, OVER THERE YOU GOT MIXED
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USE. YOU WANT TO GO FROM RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL TO JUST COMMERCIAL SO THAT YOU CAN FUND IT. WELL, THEN IT ALL HAS TO BE COMMERCIAL. AND IF ANY PORTION OF IT'S RESIDENTIAL, SBA WON'T FUND IT. IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF AT LEAST 50% IS NOT COMMERCIAL, SO YOU CAN'T GET COMMERCIAL FINANCING. SO YOU'RE STUCK WITH BANKS THAT HAVE TO DO INVESTMENT FINANCING, AND MOST OF THEM AREN'T DOING THAT KIND OF FINANCING RIGHT NOW. SO AND THEY WON'T DO THE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THE LOAN ON THEIR BOOKS FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME. SO WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING WAS IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE ZONING SUCH THAT THE ZONING THERE IS SINGLE FAMILY, ALL RIGHT, WHICH I THINK COULD BE FINE, DEPENDING UPON WHAT WE'RE DOING. THAT COULD BE GREAT FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE THAT WAY. BUT UNLESS WE PROVIDE AN AVENUE FOR PEOPLE OTHER THAN WALL STREET TO BUY THOSE PROPERTIES, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET WHAT WE WANT ULTIMATELY WHEN WE'RE DONE. AND SO WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING IS NOT A LOAN PROGRAM AS FAR AS US LOANING MONEY, THE CITY LOANING MONEY. WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO IS SIMILAR TO WHAT THE SBA DOES. THE SBA ON THE BUSINESS SIDE DOES NOT LOAN MONEY. THE SBA DOES NOT MAKE LOANS. NONE OF THE MONEY THAT GOES OUT TO SOMEBODY FROM FROM AN SBA LOAN COMES FROM THE SBA. ALL THE SBA DOES IS PROVIDE A GUARANTEE, AND THEY ONLY PROVIDE THE GUARANTEE IF THE PERSON QUALIFIES UNDER THAT BANK'S UNDERWRITING REQUIREMENTS. SO THIS CAN'T BE A SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY SAYS, WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T BANK. I DON'T REALLY WANT TO FUND THAT. YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T MEET MY REQUIREMENT. I DON'T WANT TO FUND THAT. SO LET'S GET THE CITY OF STUART TO FUND IT. NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A SITUATION WHERE THE CITY COMES IN AND THEY AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THIS PROGRAM AND, AND MAYBE THE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE THERE HAS TO BE 10% DOWN. RIGHT? SO THERE'S A 10% DOWN PAYMENT. AND THEN THE CITY WOULD AGREE TO GUARANTEE ANYTHING AFTER THE FIRST 15 OR 20%. SO THE BANK WOULD HAVE THE RISK FOR THE FOR THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FIRST 2,025%. AND THEN THE CITY HAS THE REST FOR HAS THE RISK FOR THE REST. NOW WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE CITY TO EVEN LOSE ANY MONEY, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A 25% REDUCTION IN THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. YOU'RE STILL GOING TO THE BANK IS STILL GOING TO GO OUT AND FORECLOSE. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, MIKE HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE BUSINESS OF FORECLOSING ON OUR CITIZENS. WELL, ABSOLUTELY NOT, BUT WE'RE NOT. THE BANK IS DOING THAT. THIS IS A BANK TRANSACTION. ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY CAN COME IN THERE AND PROVIDE THAT GUARANTEE. SO THOSE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE PERSON, FOR PEOPLE THAT QUALIFY, THAT THOSE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO BUY THE HOME AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND NOT HAVE TO TRY TO PRETEND LIKE PART OF IT'S COMMERCIAL, NOT HAVE TO COME UP WITH CASH, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO, THAT ELIMINATES A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BUY PROPERTY OVER THERE BUT DON'T HAVE CASH. AND FRANKLY, IT MAKES IT SO THAT INVESTORS BUY MORE PROPERTIES BECAUSE IF IT BASICALLY CAN ONLY BE COMMERCIAL OR IF IT CAN BE RESIDENTIAL, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BUY MORE OF THEM BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD TO. SO ANYWAY, SO WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS WHEN WE'RE GOING FORWARD ON SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS, ON THE VISIONING OR WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO DO, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY IS IT WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THAT THERE'S UNDERLYING FINANCING AVAILABLE, OR THAT IS GOING TO BE SUSTAINABLE FOR THAT TYPE OF HOUSING IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.AND SORRY, NO. GO AHEAD. IS THAT WELL, IT'S INTERESTING YOU'RE USING THE WORD FINANCING BECAUSE I GUESS I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT IS THAT THE DOES THE OWNER DO THAT OR ARE WE LOOKING AT THE CRA DOING THAT? IF I THINK ABOUT THE CR, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD AND WHAT THE CRA IS DESIGNED TO DO, REINVESTMENT REDEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, IT TENDS TO BE IN CAPITAL PROJECTS, WHICH IN A WAY ARE ONE OFF AND CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND THEN MAYBE SUPPORTED BY SOME KIND OF ONGOING OPERATIONAL BUDGET. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE THE SEE, I DON'T THINK THE CRA GETS INVOLVED IN OWNERSHIP OF PROPERTY. NO, NO NO NO, THAT'S NOT NO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT AT ALL. OKAY. WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS LET'S SAY YOU FIND A HOUSE OVER IN FRAZIER CREEK, YOU KNOW, OVER THE FRAZIER CREEK EDITION, AND YOU LIKE THAT, AND YOU WANT TO BUY IT, RIGHT? SO YOU QUALIFY. BUT FANNIE MAE, FREDDIE MAC ISN'T GOING TO GIVE YOU A 30 YEAR LOAN. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE INVOLVED AT ALL. SO BECAUSE BECAUSE THEY DON'T FUND COMMERCIAL AND THAT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE YOU HAVE MIXED USE AND YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT MIXED USE, RIGHT?
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SO WE'VE GOT A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, YOU KNOW, NEXT DOOR TO YOU. YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY WHO'S LIVING UPSTAIRS. SOMEBODY'S GOT A BUSINESS DOWNSTAIRS RIGHT NOW THAT UNDER THE ORIGINAL PLAN 40 YEARS AGO, THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED. SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THING WE'VE GOT. SOME OF THAT OVER IN FRAZIER CREEK IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. WE'VE GOT SOME OF THESE PLACES WHERE UP ABOVE WAS A RESIDENTIAL, DOWN BELOW IS COMMERCIAL. SO THAT I CANNOT BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? BASED ON ZONING? NO. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO TURN THAT INTO A RESIDENCE, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO SAY NOPE. NO LONGER CAN BE MIXED USE, NO LONGER COMMERCIAL. WE WANT IT TO BE ALL RESIDENTIAL. ALL RIGHT, WELL, THAT'S FINE, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, BECAUSE IT'S IN A COMMUNITY WITH OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE COMMERCIAL, WHEN THE APPRAISER COMES OUT FROM THE BANK, WHEN YOU GO TO BUY THE LOAN TO BUY THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO A MORTGAGE BROKER, THEY SEND OUT AN APPRAISER. THE APPRAISER LOOKS AT THAT AND SAYS, I HAVE TO. I HAVE TO APPRAISE THIS AS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE BECAUSE IT'S IN A COMMUNITY WITH OTHER COMMERCIAL, THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE IS COMMERCIAL. THEREFORE, I CAN'T APPRAISE THIS PROPERTY AS RESIDENTIAL. AND YOU CAN'T GET A LOAN FROM FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC IF IT WON'T APPRAISE OUT. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT, SO A LOT OF THAT PROPERTY HAS TO CHANGE HANDS VIA CASH. SO BUT I GUESS I'M SORRY, I'M FOLLOWING ALONG THE IN THAT SITUATION, WOULDN'T IT BE, YOU KNOW, IF I, IF I WANTED TO BUY THE PROPERTY, I'M BUYING IT KNOWING THAT IT'S ZONED A CERTAIN WAY. BUT IF I WANT TO, IF I WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING THERE OR CONSTRUCT SOMETHING THERE THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE CURRENT ZONING. WELL, I MEAN, ISN'T THAT A RISK YOU TAKE? I MEAN, YOU OWN, YOU BUY IT, YOU AND THEN YOU GET THE YOU HAVE THE PROPERTY, THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE, WELL, I GO TO THE CITY OR WHEREVER THE BOARD IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING. WELL, NO, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS, IS ALREADY BUILT THIS STUFF. I'M NOT NECESSARILY TALKING VACANT LAND. I'M JUST SAYING THIS STUFF'S ALREADY BUILT. RIGHT. BUT IT COULD BE. I MEAN, YOU COULD BUY A LOT OVER THERE, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT EVEN EVEN IF YOU'RE BUYING IT, LET'S SAY IT'S BEEN CHANGED TO THE ZONING IS RESIDENTIAL. AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU CAN'T FINANCE IT.IF I WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE THERE, A RESIDENTIAL HOME THERE, I CAN'T FINANCE IT THROUGH THE CONVENTIONAL FINANCING BECAUSE I CAN'T GET FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC TO GUARANTEE IT. SO THERE'S A KIND OF A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE ZONING. EXACTLY. FUNDING. EXACTLY. AND IF IT WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL AND I WANTED IT TO BE COMMERCIAL, THE ONLY LENDERS OUT THERE IN THE COMMERCIAL SIDE ARE LARGELY ARE LARGELY SBA. SO NOW I GOT TO GO TO SBA. SBA SAYS, WELL, YOU KNOW, OVER 50% OF THIS THIS PROPERTY IS BEING USED FOR RESIDENTIAL. SO THEREFORE WE'RE NOT GOING TO FUND IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO FUND IT AS MIXED USE. WE WON'T FUND IT THAT WAY. SO IT'S A PROBLEM WITH AND WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED IT. IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR 15 YEARS. WE HAVE A COMP PLAN THAT ENCOURAGES TO BUILD A CERTAIN TYPE OF HOUSE MIXED USE WHATEVER. AND BUT IT CAN'T BE FINANCED. AND WHAT YOU KNOW ENDS UP HAPPENING IS IF WE CAN'T FINANCE IT LOCALLY, OUTSIDE DEVELOPERS COME IN, THEY BUY IT OUT AND DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IT, AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN CODE. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO GO AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. OTHERWISE ANYTHING WE DO, WHATEVER WE'RE DOING AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL, WHATEVER WE DO, IF IT CAN'T BE FINANCED, WHY ARE WE DOING IT? I MEAN, WE CAN SAY WE WANT THIS TO BE SINGLE FAMILY, BUT IT'S ONLY THEN AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE WHO'VE GOT A LOT OF CASH. AND THOSE MIGHT BE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T COMMUNITY PEOPLE, AND THEY'RE COMING IN FROM OUTSIDE THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT CARE ABOUT WHAT OUR SCHOOLS ARE LIKE OR WHAT OUR COMMUNITY'S LIKE. THEY'RE HERE FOR TO BUY A HOUSE FOR A VACATION, YOU KNOW, SO THE I HEAR YOU. SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE INCLUDE THIS TOPIC AS PART OF THE GREATER VISION DISCUSSION? YEAH. YEAH, I GUESS I WOULD JUST AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THIS. I'M JUST THINKING, LIKE, HOW PREVALENT IS THAT SITUATION? LIKE, IS THAT A BIG PROBLEM? IS IT TWO PLACES OR IS IT A HUNDRED PLACES, OR IS IT ALL OVER THE CITY OR ALL OVER THE CITY? I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S THAT WOULD BE MY NEXT QUESTION IS HOW WHAT'S THE PRIORITY OF THAT? IS IT ONE PARTICULAR PARCEL OR IS IT MORE PREVALENT? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. YEAH. AND I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S IN OTHER IT'S IN A NUMBER OF AREAS. I THINK IT'S, IT'S IN EAST STUART, I THINK IT'S IN FRAZIER CREEK EDITION. I THINK TO SOME DEGREE WE HAVE A SIMILAR PROBLEM POTENTIALLY IN, IN DOWN IN THE RIVERSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DOWN THERE BECAUSE IF THEY START PUTTING, YOU KNOW, IF THEY START PUTTING SMALL HOUSES ON THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, MOTHER IN LAW HOUSES, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO FINANCE THAT. YOU KNOW, THE FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC MIGHT, MIGHT NOT ALLOW FINANCING ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH A SECOND STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE'S ALL THOSE KIND OF POTENTIAL THINGS BEFORE WE WHEN WE'RE DOING THE VISIONING, BEFORE WE COME TO A CONCLUSION, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE STEP BACK AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. YOU KNOW, HOW HOW DO WE MAKE THAT SO THAT IT CAN
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BE FINANCED AND IT CAN BE LOCAL PEOPLE THAT WANT TO LIVE HERE AND THAT MAYBE HAVE WANT TO RAISE THEIR FAMILIES HERE AND ALL OF THAT, THAT THEY CAN AFFORD TO BUY THAT HOUSE BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T BE JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NO FINANCING OUT THERE AND YOU HAVE TO PAY CASH, THEN WE'LL NEVER HAVE ANY PEOPLE THAT THAT LOCALLY WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD HOUSING HERE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION. THE OTHER THING I SAID IN THE PAST, AND I WANT TO BRING IT OUT AGAIN, AND IT'S THE REASON I WANTED TO MENTION IT, IS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO MOVE UP IN THE, IN THE FUNDING, OR AT LEAST CONSIDER FASTER THAN MAYBE IS ON THE PLAN. AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF THE CRA IS THAT IF WE PRODUCE AN INCREASE IN VALUE IN PROPERTY WITHIN THE CRA, WE KIND OF GET TO KEEP THAT MONEY. YOU KNOW, IT REALLY COMES LARGELY COMES OUT OF THE POCKET OF THE REST OF THE COUNTY. WE GET TO KEEP A BIGGER PERCENTAGE OF THE OF THE DOLLARS IS REALLY WHAT HAPPENS. SO BUT WE HAVE TO SPEND THAT MONEY IN THE CRA. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT CAN'T HAVE AN IMPACT OR BENEFIT TO THE REST OF THE TO THE REST OF THE CITY, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IF I'M OUT, YOU KNOW, OUT ON EAST OCEAN OR, OR OUT ON RIVERSIDE AND OVER IN THAT AREA. AND I'M LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT GOOD DOES IT DO ME IF I, IF THE TAX DOLLARS DON'T REDUCE MY TAX BILL OR DON'T PROVIDE ME SOME BENEFIT, WHAT DOES IT DO WITH ME? AND TO SOME DEGREE THAT'S CORRECT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DISCONNECT BETWEEN SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND THE CRA BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEE WHAT WHAT BENEFIT THEY GET OUT OF IT. AND FRANKLY, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH BENEFIT IN THE LONG RUN OTHER THAN INCREASING PROPERTY VALUES THAT THEY'VE GOT AT IT. BUT IF WE THINK ABOUT THINGS SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE WE'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW. ONE IS THERE IS ON THE ON THE PROGRAM. THERE'S A PROGRAM TO DO THE EXTENSION OF SEMINOLE STREET, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY.HISTORICALLY, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS WE NEVER DO ANYTHING ON THAT PROPERTY THERE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DECIDED WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH CITY HALL. WELL, THE MOST RECENT PLAN THAT WAS DRAWN UP A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. BY MARCELLA AND BY MIKE MCCARTY WAS IGNORED. THAT PIECE, IT NO MATTER WHETHER WE LEFT SOMETHING THERE, WE TURNED IT INTO A PARK. REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DID WITH IT. IT DIDN'T AFFECT THE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT WAS TO DEVELOP THAT AREA AND EXTEND IT BEYOND PAST TO THE FEED STORE AND ENDING IN THE FLAGLER CENTER. OKAY. YOU SEE IT? YEAH.
SO. RIGHT. THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE. SO, SO WE HAVE THIS IN HERE AND IT IT'S KIND OF STUCK MOVING UP SEMINOLE AND OUT THE PROCESS. BUT THERE'S NO REASON WHY SOME OF THIS COULDN'T START FROM THE OTHER END AND MOVE BACK. AND WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT PLAN HAS IN FLAGLER PARK HAS AREAS FOR KIDS, FOR ADULTS AND GRANDPARENTS TO BE THERE WITH THEIR KIDS, FOR PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, FOR SPLASH PADS, AND FOR ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO WE WOULD USE CRA MONEY FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CRA. BUT EVERY FAMILY, EVERY PERSON IN THE CITY WOULD BENEFIT FROM IT BECAUSE THEY'D BE ABLE TO COME DOWN HERE. IF WE ULTIMATELY TURN FLAGLER CENTER INTO A COMMUNITY CENTER IN THIS PARK SO THAT PEOPLE CAN COME THERE AND THEY CAN PLAY BASKETBALL AND THEY CAN HAVE WATER SPORTS, AND THEY MAYBE THERE'S A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN KAYAK OFF OFF THERE. IF WE USE CRA MONEY, THAT'S A WAY THAT WE CAN USE CRA MONEY AND GIVE A BENEFIT TO THE WHOLE CITY. AND SO SOMEBODY WHO'S GOT A FAMILY THAT LIVES DOWN OFF OF OSCEOLA OR, YOU KNOW, OUT IN, YOU KNOW, OFF OF FLAMINGO OR WHATEVER, THEY CAN BRING THEIR FAMILY TO THAT COMMUNITY CENTER, BE A MEMBER JUST LIKE THEY DO UP NORTH. THEY HAVE THESE COMMUNITY CENTERS UP NORTH, I GUESS, AND NOT IN THE AREAS THAT I GREW UP. BUT BUT ANYWAY, AND SO I THINK THAT THOSE ARE THE KIND OF PROJECTS RIGHT NOW THAT MIGHT FIT WELL WITH WHAT THE COMMISSION IS LOOKING TO DO. YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION IS LOOKING TO CREATE MORE TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, MORE TRADITIONAL HOME OWNERSHIP, NOT TRANSITIONAL LIVING. WELL, CREATING SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITH CRA MONEY WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY TO SAY, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, I'M GETTING A BENEFIT OUT OF THIS SAME THING WITH FINISHING UP GUY DAVIS. I'VE BEEN HARPING ABOUT THAT FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE THAT'S A THAT'S A PLACE THAT CAN BE A GREAT COMMUNITY CENTER FOR ALL THE CITY. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST THE PEOPLE IN EAST STUART. IT CAN BE FOR ALL THE CITY. AND TO HAVE THOSE KIND OF COMMUNITY CENTERS WHERE IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY, YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR THAT, AND THAT GIVES YOU A PASS TO BE ABLE TO GO TO A COMMUNITY POOL OR A COMMUNITY SPLASH PAD OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS I THINK IT WOULD BE. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AS MAYBE CHANGING A LITTLE BIT BASED ON WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL. MAYBE IT'S SOME THINGS THAT WE WANT TO CHANGE OUR, YOU KNOW, REFOCUS BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE MORE
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CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT. AGAIN, THE VISIONING WILL PROBABLY CHANGE MAY CHANGE ALL THIS, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE KNOW WE WANT TO BE WE WANT TO HAVE DONE ULTIMATELY, NO MATTER WHAT. IF THAT'S THE CASE, MAYBE WE SHOULD START SPENDING SOME OF THE DOLLARS THERE INITIALLY SO THAT SO THAT OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CITY CAN SEE THE BENEFIT OF THAT. AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION IS, AGAIN, AN ITEM YOU MENTIONED ON YOUR LIST, AND THAT WAS NOT NECESSARILY THE TRAIN STATION, BUT THE QUIET ZONES WE HAVE, WE HAVE ON OUR WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA TO, TO DO THE QUIET ZONES. NOW, WHAT'S HAPPENED IS PEOPLE ARE THINKING, OH, OKAY, WELL, THAT WE'RE ONLY GOING TO DO QUIET ZONES IF THERE'S A TRAIN STATION. WELL, NO, I MEAN, I THINK ULTIMATELY WHERE WHATEVER WE END UP WITH, WE DON'T WANT THOSE HORNS BLARING EVERY SINGLE DAY, AND WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE KILLED WALKING ACROSS THE TRACKS. SO PART OF THE THING THAT I THINK IS MISUNDERSTOOD IS THAT QUIET ZONES REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER LEVEL OF SAFETY. SO WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY PROVIDING QUIET ZONES, YOU'RE ACTUALLY PROVIDING MORE SECURE INTERSECTIONS. NOW, IT MAY REQUIRE REDOING SOME OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS, AND THAT COULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT COST. BUT THE WAY THAT QUIET ZONES WORK IS A POINT SYSTEM. AND YOU PUT THESE IMPROVEMENTS IN AND IT MOVES YOU UP THE POINT LADDER.AND THE FIRST SECTION OF QUIET ZONES IS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BLOW ANY OF YOUR HORNS AS THE TRAINS GOING BY, YOU JUST BLOW THEM UP AND DOWN THE STREET WHERE THE WHERE THE CROSSING IS.
SO IT'S A DIRECTIONAL SIREN. I MEAN A DIRECTIONAL HORN THAT JUST GOES, YOU KNOW, DOWN JOAN JEFFERSON AND ACROSS THE STREET, DOWN SAINT LUCIE JUST LIKE THAT. AND THEN WHEN YOU IMPROVE IT FURTHER, YOU GET IT TO THE POINT THAT PEOPLE CANNOT DRIVE AROUND IT, THEY CANNOT WALK AROUND IT.
IT'S SECURE AT THAT POINT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE HORNS AT ALL BECAUSE IT'S SECURE. THEY CAN'T THEY CAN'T GET THERE NOW, WHETHER WE CAN GET TO THAT LEVEL OF SECURITY, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE US DO THEN IS FOCUS ON THOSE QUIET ZONES. THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE CAN'T SPEND SOME CRA CRA MONEY TO PUT THOSE QUIET ZONES IN AND GET THOSE SAFETY MEASURES IN PLACE SO THAT SO THAT THAT'S THERE WHAT WE DO WITH THE TRAIN STATION, WHAT WE DO WITH ANY OF THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. AND IN FACT, IF WE CAN CONVINCE AND I WOULD BECAUSE HE'S SITTING OUT THERE, I WOULD I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEGOTIATE. MAYBE COMMISSIONER REED SHOULD NEGOTIATE BECAUSE HE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB LAST TIME, BUT MAYBE WE CAN GET THEM. WE CAN GET BRIGHTLINE AT LEAST TO SAY, OKAY, IF YOU PUT THESE IMPROVEMENTS IN, WE'LL MAINTAIN THEM. AND THAT'S THE COST RIGHT NOW OF SOME OF THE STUFF THERE IS, IF WE DON'T GO WITH, IF WE DON'T JUMP ON BOARD, WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THESE CROSSINGS, IT FALLS BACK ON US. SO IF WE CAN AT LEAST MAKE CROSSINGS THAT WE WANT THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S SAFE, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. AND RIGHT NOW I DON'T THINK IT'S SAFE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US AT LEAST MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT THAT MAKES SENSE TO PUT UP ON OUR LIST A LITTLE BIT. WOULD THERE FOR PANEL TO HAVE A BIT OF DIRECTION? WOULD WE ASK HER TO SAY HOW MANY INTERSECTIONS THERE MIGHT BE IN THE CITY THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED, AND THEN WHICH ONES FOR THE CRA? HOW MANY THERE ARE FOR OR JUST FOR IN THE CRA? AND THIS WOULD NOT START WITH CONFUSION CORNER. BUT YEAH, MAYBE THE OTHER ONE THE CITY MANAGER IS ALREADY WORKING WITH CAP TECH TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. NOT NECESSARILY QUIET ZONES, BUT IT WILL HAVE A LOT OF THE FEATURES THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR QUIET ZONES. SO THAT'S ALREADY SOMETHING CITY MANAGER IS WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THE WITH THE ENGINEER. WELL, YOU KNOW THEN I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT PUTTING THAT IN OUR BUDGET. IF, IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING I MEAN IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO DO THAT. YOU KNOW, IT'S MONEY THAT'S JUST GOING TO BENEFIT EVERYBODY. NOT JUST CRA, BUT EVERYBODY. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT MOVED UP A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS, JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN DO. I'D LIKE US TO CONTINUE TO PUSH THROUGH AND GET GUY DAVIS DONE AND MAYBE, DO YOU KNOW, SOME WORK ON FLAGLER PARK ON THAT SEMINOLE STREET EXTENSION TO DO SOME OF THIS? I MEAN, THE OSCEOLA STREET, I ACTUALLY CALLED IT SEMINOLE STREET BECAUSE THAT'S ORIGINALLY WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE. IT WAS GOING TO BE DONE IN CONNECTION WITH THE WITH THE PROJECT THAT GEORGE HART BUILT OVER THERE, THE SAILFISH, WHATEVER IT IS. AND, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE CAN FOCUS ON THAT, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE US GIVE FAMILIES AT LEAST SOME, SOME BENEFIT OUT OF SOME OF THE THINGS WE DO DOWNTOWN. DID YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL WE DO THE VISIONING SESSION TO DO THE OSCEOLA STREET EXTENSION? OR ADD TO THAT PLAN IS NOT A THAT WASN'T A COMMUNITY CREATED PLAN, RIGHT? STUART. MAIN STREET VOLUNTEERS JUST DREW THAT PLAN UP. RIGHT. WE WOULD HAVE TO. YEAH. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO BUDGET FOR DESIGN, GO OUT FOR FEEDBACK. IT WOULD BE A PROCESS, BUT IT WOULD SOMETHING I WOULD BUDGET STARTING 2026. SO MAYBE
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THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ALSO GETS LOOPED INTO A SEPARATE EFFORT FOR NEXT MONTH OF THE. SO THE OSCEOLA STREET EXTENSION, WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THE YEAH, WHAT WHAT IT WHAT IT WOULD BE TODAY WITH TODAY'S VIEW AS OPPOSED TO THE LIMITED VIEW FROM THE PRIOR ANALYSIS. WELL, IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO AS A SEPARATE PROJECT, OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO INCLUDE AS A VISIONING? GOOD QUESTION. BECAUSE WE'RE HIRING A CONSULTANT THAT'S GOING TO HELP US WITH THE VISIONING AND GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND IF WE HAVE THE SUPPORT, THEN ALL I HAVE TO DO IS BUDGET FOR CONSTRUCTION. I JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT ON THE I, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED FOR A LONG TIME, AND I KNOW HOW LONG IT SEEMS TO TAKE TO DO THESE THINGS. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH CITY HALL. SO I GUESS I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL THEY TELL US. BUT YEAH, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO THOSE PARTICULAR PROJECTS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM ON THE, ON THE AGENDA A LITTLE EARLIER SO THAT WE CAN GET THEM DONE AND WE CAN GET COMMUNITY BUY IN. NATURALLY, IF WE CAN GET THIS VISIONING PROGRAM DONE QUICKLY, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE CAN LOOK AT. WE CAN SAY, HERE'S WHAT.BECAUSE IF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, DEPENDING UPON WHAT THAT COMMITTEE COMES UP WITH, THAT MAY BE A GOOD ALTERNATIVE, YOU KNOW. SO FOR WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR, MAYBE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR MORE OF THESE LITTLE THINGS, LIKE YOU GET UP IN THE NORTHEAST AND ON LONG ISLAND, ON LONG ISLAND, AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THESE THINGS WHERE YOU YOU HAVE YOUR LITTLE COMMUNITY CENTER AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN YOU CAN GO DOWN THERE AND HANG OUT AND YOU CAN PLAY BASKETBALL AND YOU CAN SWIM, OR YOU CAN DO WHAT? AND EVERYBODY GETS A MEMBERSHIP AND THEY GO THERE DURING THE SUMMER AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF. BUT ANYWAY, I'M JUST SAYING I THINK THAT'S ONE I WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, POINT THAT OUT PRIMARILY BECAUSE THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF WHERE WE CAN USE CRA MONEY TO HELP EVERYBODY. AND IF WE CAN DO THAT, I THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR EVERYBODY. AND THEN PEOPLE SEE WHY WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO SPEND MONEY IN THE CRA, TO MAKE MONEY, TO BE ABLE TO DO THINGS THAT ARE GOOD FOR EVERYBODY. SO I'D JUST LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE KEEP THAT PANEL, YOU CAN TELL US HOW TO BRING IT FORWARD AND WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
AND YOU KNOW, HOW WE MAYBE HELP US WITH THE TIMING GOING FORWARD. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT I DON'T WANT THOSE TO KIND OF BE PUT ASIDE FOR ANOTHER YEAR. YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING FOR A YEAR, BUT I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE TO BE IN A POSITION THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE READY TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE READY TO DISCUSS IT OR OR, YOU KNOW, GO OUT FOR RFPS OR WHATEVER. I CAN ADD IT IN. THE CIP IS JUST A WISH LIST, RIGHT? SO OSCEOLA STREET EXTENSION FOR DESIGN IN 2027, I CAN ADD THAT BECAUSE NEXT YEAR WOULD BE THE VISIONING. YEAH.
AND THEN THE QUIET ZONES I CAN ADD THAT ALSO. OKAY. AGAIN THESE YOU KNOW IF THAT IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD. AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE CRA AND THEN THE BUDGET. SO IT'S STILL A PROCESS. COULD I JUST ASK A QUESTION ON THAT. ACTUALLY THE SO MAYBE THE VETERANS HERE AND NOW. SO THINKING ABOUT THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION ABOUT A REDEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST AND HELPING US WITH VISIONING AND SO ON. SO WHAT IS THAT IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT DOES THAT TIMELINE LOOK, LET'S JUST SAY BEST CASE SCENARIO WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING. I DON'T KNOW, IT GOES TO THE CRA, WHATEVER THEIR MEETING IS, AND NEXT WHATEVER THREE MONTHS OR SOMETHING. WE GET AGREEMENT. WHEN WILL IT ACTUALLY WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT WILL BE THE WILL HAVE A WILL HAVE WHATEVER HELP IT IS THAT WE THINK WE NEED AND AN ACTUAL VISIONING SESSION. SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR. RIGHT. EXACTLY.
LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY. I'M 70. I'M HOPING TO GET IT DONE IN MY LIFETIME. BUT BUT SO IT'S AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE ABANDON IT OR THAT THAT THAT WE SLOW IT DOWN AT ALL. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SET THE RIGHT EXPECTATION IN MY OWN MIND. AND WITH US, THAT PROBABLY WON'T START TILL JANUARY. BY THE TIME WE GO OFF RFP, SECURE A CONSULTANT. BY THE TIME WE DO AN AGREEMENT, THEN WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, WELL, IT'S NOT SEASONED YET, SO WE WANT TO WAIT TILL EVERYBODY COMES BACK IN TOWN. THE SEASON REALLY KICKS IN IN JANUARY. THAT'S WHEN ALL THE VISITORS ARE BACK IN TOWN. SO WE WOULD WE WOULDN'T START TILL JANUARY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? ONE COMMENT. THE LAST READING FOR THE REZONING VOTE WILL BE COMING UP VERY SHORTLY. SO THAT WILL ALREADY BE IN PLACE IF IT PASSES. AND SO MOST OF THIS WILL BE A MOOT POINT ANYWAY, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE THE VISION FOR THE FINANCING, AS YOU POINTED OUT, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CITY'S BACKING, THAT THEY MAY CONSIDER GUARANTEEING SOME OF THOSE NOT NOT EVEN THE CITY GUARANTEEING THE LOAN. BUT I WAS LISTENING TO THEM TELL ME THAT THE LIFT PROJECT, THAT THE CITY DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE ONES THAT FORECLOSED ON PROPERTIES. WHAT HAPPENS IF THE LIFT PROJECT DOESN'T PAN OUT, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, SO I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN
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VOICE THESE OPINIONS AND THEY'LL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AT THE CITY COMMISSIONERS MEETING.YEAH. AND EVEN IF WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN GET THE VISIONING DONE, I DON'T THINK THAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE NECESSARILY CONSIDERING AN IMMEDIATE ADJUSTMENT TO THE COMP PLAN OR TO THE CRA MASTER PLAN RIGHT AWAY. I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO DOVETAIL THIS STUFF TOGETHER. AND SO IF WE'RE ALREADY IN THE VISIONING PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST GIVE FEEDBACK TO THEM, WHICH I KNOW THEY COULD USE, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD USE. SO ANYWAY, SO THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD QUESTION. GOOD POINT. ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? KEITH WILL TREAT YOU AS PUBLIC IF YOU LIKE. NO COMMENT FROM YOU OKAY.
ASK A QUESTION. I'M JUST I'VE BEEN JUST REALLY DIGGING INTO HOUSING WITHIN THE CRA. AND I WAS WONDERING IF WE HAVE TIME OVER THE NEXT MEETING OR TWO, IF YOU COULD KIND OF GIVE US A RECAP OF THE HABITAT HOUSING, HABITAT HOUSING THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST WITHIN THE CRA, HOW THAT WAS DONE. AND THEN LIKE I'M SEEING ON CITY OR CRA, CRA OWNED PROPERTY, WE COULD ALSO GET LIKE A MAP WHEN WE HAVE THAT PRESENTATION OF WHAT PROPERTY THE CRA AND THE CITY OWNS. I'M JUST I JUST WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT AND SEE THE FEASIBILITY OF IT. SINCE IT IS ON THIS LIST.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT ON THIS ONE YET, BUT I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION. THAT'S A GREAT ONE THAT WAS MISSED BY ME, ACTUALLY. SO THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING ONE SHOULD BE WE SHOULD GET THAT SOME MORE ATTENTION, I DO I SEE IT'S ONLY HAS ONE POINT, BUT LET'S SEE IF WE CAN INCREASE THE POINTS A BIT. YEAH. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE CITY OF STUART I THINK OWNS 62% OF ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN EAST STUART. I THINK THAT WAS THE NUMBER BACK IN THE DAY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CHANGED, BUT IT USED TO BE 62%. YEAH, I THINK I SAW THAT THE CITY OWNS 45% NOW. BUT THAT INCLUDES GUY DAVIS PARK, THE POLICE STATION. YEAH, IT WAS A BIG NUMBER. ACREAGE? YES. I DON'T KNOW. I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. OH, PROBABLY IT WAS AT THE TIME IT WAS PROPERTY BECAUSE BECAUSE STUART HAS SOME AFFORDABLE HAS SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME SUBSIDIZED HOUSING THAT THEY OWN IN THE CITY. SO IT'S INTERESTING. THEY HAVE A PRETTY BIG CHUNK I THINK. BUT ANYWAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. IF I DON'T HEAR ANYTHING CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOVED SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
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