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CHECK THAT OUT. OKAY, I'M CALLING THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE STUART CITY COMMISSION FOR THE 30TH OF JUNE, 23RD OF JUNE. I'M SORRY CALL, PLEASE. MAYOR RICH? YES.
HERE. VICE MAYOR COLLINS HERE, COMMISSIONER CLARK. COMMISSIONER DOBEY HERE. COMMISSIONER REID HERE. AND PROVIDING THE INVOCATION FOR US THIS EVENING IS PASTOR BROSIUS. GOOD EVENING.
AND WILL YOU THEN LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? THANK YOU. PASTOR. LET'S PRAY. FATHER IN HEAVEN AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL AREA YOU'VE ALLOWED US TO LIVE IN. AND THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY YOU'VE GIVEN. THANK YOU FOR THESE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THAT GOVERN US. AND WE PRAY FOR THEM. WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO GRANT WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING. WE DO. WE THANK YOU FOR THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE ABILITIES THAT YOU'VE GIVEN TO THEM. AND WE PRAY TONIGHT AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS, LORD, THAT THEY WOULD BE GOOD FOR STEWARD AND GOOD FOR ALL OF US. WE PRAY FOR HEALTH AND STRENGTH FOR ALL, AND WE PRAY BLESSING UPON THIS WHOLE AREA THAT YOU WOULD BE EXALTED HERE. THANK YOU AGAIN. WE PRAY ALL OF THIS IN THE WONDERFUL NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MISTER MARTELL, DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION TO BEGIN THIS? I DO, IT'S NOT AS
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IN-DEPTH AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, BUT I TOLD YOU LAST MEETING THAT I WOULD BE PROVIDING THE DATA AS IT RELATED TO THE TENANTS IN THE WELLS FARGO BUILDING. AND I'M JUST GOING TO GO OVER BRIEFLY.THERE'S WELLS FARGO HAS ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR, WHICH IS 8200FT■!S, AND THEN THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS THE FLORIDA CANCER CENTER. THEY HAVE THAT BUILDING, WHICH IS 7600FT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS 1530FT AND THEN UNITS 202, 203, AND 204 HAVE BEEN VACATED BY LEASES RUNNING OUT. AND I MOVED IN. THE HR DIRECTOR, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND THE IT OR INFORMATION SERVICES DEPARTMENT INTO THOSE RESPECTIVE SPACES, WHICH WAS 1315 HUNDRED AND 1000FT■!S REMAINING. ON THE SECD FLOOR IS WILLIAMS LEININGER LAW FIRM. THEIR LEASE ENDS ON FEBRUARY 28TH. FEBRUARY OF 28, I BELIEVE, AND THEN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THEIR LEASE ENDS ON MARCH 31ST OF 2028. AND THAT'S ABOUT 1500FT AT WILLIAMS LINE. THERE'S ALMOST 4000FT■!S. AND ON THE THIRD FLOOR IS BOWMAN CONSULTING, AND THEY HAVE 7512FT ON THE THIRD FLOOR. AND WE ALSO HAD AN ADDITIONAL 3000FT ON THE THIRD FLOOR. BUT I MOVED THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT INTO THAT WHEN IT BECAME OR 2000FT ON THE THIRD FLOOR. AND I MOVED THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT IN THERE WHEN IT BECAME VACANT, BOWMAN CONSULTING'S LEASE EXPIRES NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR. THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION YET FROM THEM. YOU MEAN YOU MEAN NOVEMBER OF 26? NOVEMBER OF 25? WELL, NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.
AND I'VE NEGOTIATED AND SPOKEN WITH THE REALTOR AND SUGGESTED THAT IF HE COULD NEGOTIATE WITH FLORIDA CANCER, WHO HAS TWO MORE OPTIONS, BUT IF THEY WOULD AGREE TO LEAVE BY FEBRUARY OF 28, THAT WE COULD THEN AGREE TO EXTEND BOWMAN TO FEBRUARY OF 28 AND WE WOULD HAVE WILLIAMS LEININGER, WHICH IS 3700FT, COME AVAILABLE. BOWMAN, WHICH IS 7500FT COME AVAILABLE. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE FLORIDA CANCER CENTER WOULD BECOME AVAILABLE WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY BUILD THE CHAMBERS AND THE OTHER SPACE. IF BOWMAN LEAVES RIGHT NOW, WE WILL LOSE $178,295 A YEAR IN RENT THAT WE WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T HAVE. AND THE ORIGINAL DESIGN HAD THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY CLERK, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY IN THE BOWMAN SPACE. AND IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO LEAVE CITY HALL IF THE MEETINGS WERE STILL HERE AND DEVELOPMENT WAS STILL HERE AND THE OTHERS WERE STILL HERE.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION TO THEM WAS, WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN NEGOTIATE THIS AS A PACKAGE. AND I'M HOPEFULLY BE BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU GUYS NEXT MONTH SO THAT THEY'RE ALL TIED TOGETHER.
ALL THE LEASES ARE RENEWED FOR THE SAME EXPIRATION DATE, AND THEN WE COULD TAKE OVER IN THE SPRING OF 28, PLAN ON DOING RENOVATIONS, AND THEN LITERALLY LIKE IN OCTOBER, ONE OF THE FALL
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OF 28, IN THAT NEXT CALENDAR YEAR, VACATING THIS SPACE AND OCCUPYING THAT SPACE. AND I HAVE I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, MISS BOWMAN. WANT TO STAY IF POSSIBLE? YEAH. THAT'S WHAT WHAT STARTED IT WAS THEY APPROACHED US FOR THE EXTENSION. I SAID TO THEM, LOOK, I, I FEEL I, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN EXTENSION, BUT I CAN'T SIGN A FIVE YEAR EXTENSION BECAUSE OF THESE OTHER ISSUES. AND SO THEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE OTHER LEASES, AND I SAID TO THEM, YOU KNOW, ONE POINT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A SIX MONTH EXTENSION. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE EVEN LOOKING FOR THAT JUST FOR SHORT TERM STUFF. AND I SAID, WELL, LET ME SEE IF WE CAN DO THIS OTHER THING. WE PUSHED IT OFF A MONTH AND I SAID, NO MATTER WHAT, WE'LL FIND SOME METHOD FOR THEM FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE WILLING TO SIGN THAT IF THEY CAN. BUT IF WE CAN LOCK THEM IN, THEY'D ACTUALLY DO A RENT INCREASE AND EVERYTHING IF WE DO IT TO 28. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK WITH POSITIVE FISCAL NEWS ON IT. I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. THAT ALL LINES UP. WELL THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THEN IF FOR SOME REASON THAT DOESN'T WORK OUT, YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO US AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT NO MATTER WHAT, I CAN'T DO THE I CAN'T EVEN DO THE EXTENSION WITH BOWMAN WITHOUT COMMISSION ACTION ON IT. AND THE ORIGINAL PLAN, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, HAD THE WELLS FARGO SPACE BEING THE CHAMBERS BECAUSE THE CANCER CLINIC HAS THESE LONG EXTENSIONS THAT WAS GOING TO LET THEM BE THERE FOR TOO LONG. SO THE CITY DIDN'T EVEN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT CANCER CENTER BUILDING. IT WAS JUST GOING TO LET IT REMAIN UNTIL, YOU KNOW, IT RAN OUT OR EXTENDED IT. BUT WELLS FARGO HAD, BACK WHEN THE CITY ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY, HAD GIVEN AN INDICATION THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO RELOCATE TO A SMALLER BANK PROPERTY AND DO THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I THINK WELLS FARGO IS JUST SUCH A BIG BANK THAT IT BECAME DIFFICULT OR WHATEVER THE TERMS ARE, BUT NOBODY HAS BEEN ABLE TO FIND SPACE THAT WAS SATISFACTORY TO WELLS FARGO, AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER TEN YEARS. AND SO IT STARTS MAKING YOU, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH IT. WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE FLORIDA CANCER BUILDING, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE BETTER FOR THE CITY BECAUSE FROM A SECURITY PURPOSE, YOU CAN HAVE A COALITION MEETING IN THAT OUTBUILDING AND HAVE THE WHOLE CITY HALL LOCKED OFF. AND IF SOMEBODY ACCIDENTALLY LEFT THE CHAMBERS UNLOCKED, IT DOESN'T LEAVE THE WHOLE BUILDING EXPOSED. AND THE WHOLE THING LIKE WE HAVE HERE CURRENTLY. SO HOPEFULLY IT'LL WORK OUT HOW MUCH TIME IS LEFT. ON THE NOTE THAT WAS. I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS A TEN YEAR NOTE ORIGINALLY, SO IT WOULD BE MAYBE FOUR YEARS OR THREE YEARS, BUT IT WOULD. WE'LL HAVE IT PAID OFF BY 28 UNDER THESE TERMS. RIGHT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S. THAT WORKED WELL. DIDN'T COST THE TAXPAYERS BARELY ANYTHING TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY, WHICH WAS NICE. WAS WELL WELL FINANCED. DEAL. I HAVE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. AND ANY COMMISSIONER REED. THANKS. YES. MY LARGER CONCERN WAS THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. SO I APPRECIATE THE UPDATE ON WELLS, BUT I'D LIKE US TO DISCUSS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THIS LOCATION AND HAVE THAT SORTED OUT. AND I CAN I CAN PUT IT ON A D AND D. YEAH I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. SO I TAKE IT, MR. MARTELL, THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR THIS RELOCATING THE CHAMBERS AND THE OFFICES IN THE CANCER CENTER. ARE THEY. WELL, IF SO, THE CANCER CENTER WAS OUT. WAS NEVER IN THE DESIGN AT ALL. NOW IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RELOCATE THE CANCER CENTER. AND WE WILL DESIGN THE CITY CHAMBERS TO BE WHERE THE CANCER CENTER IS, AND IT WILL CHANGE IT TO HAVING NO RELOCATION OF WELLS FARGO, ALLOWING THEM TO REMAIN ON THAT FIRST FLOOR. AND QUITE FRANKLY, THEIR RENT IS WITH CAM AND INSURANCE $253,000 A YEAR. SO THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT RIGHT. IT'S WORTH NOT WALKING AWAY. HOWEVER, WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO WE'D WANT TO RENEGOTIATE THEIR LEASE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT USING THE DRIVE THROUGH. SO THE WAY BANKS HAVE CHANGED IS IT REQUIRES TWO PEOPLE IN THE DRIVE THROUGH FOR SECURITY PURPOSES, PLUS A SECURITY GUARD WHEN THEY HAVE A SEPARATE DRIVE THROUGH LIKE THAT. SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE DOUBLE THE EMPLOYEES TO RUN THE INSIDE AND THE OUTSIDE TELLER. AND SO AS A RESULT, THEY LEAVE THE DRIVE THROUGH JUST COMPLETELY VACANT. AND THAT'S A BIG PIECE OF BUILDING THAT THERE'S LITERALLY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DRIVE THROUGH, THERE'S OCCUPIABLE OFFICE SPACE THAT'S SITTING EMPTY. AND SO WE'D PROBABLY ONCE WE GET THESE OTHERS WORKED OUT IN 28, WE COULD INCLUDE GOING BACK TO THEM AND TRYING TO RENEGOTIATE, EVEN IF THE TERMS OF THE LEASE WERE TO ALLOW US TO TAKE OVER THE DRIVE THROUGH AREA AND THE LANES LEADING UP TO IT, BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT 25% OF THE PARKING LOT, AND WE COULD USE THAT AND REDESIGN IT FOR PARKING OR[00:10:03]
WHATEVER WE WANTED TO DO BASED UPON, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULD WANT SOME KIND OF REDUCTION IN THEIR RENT IN ORDER TO GIVE UP THAT SPACE, BUT I'M SURE WE COULD FIND SOMETHING AGREEABLE, BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT, JUST US TAKING OVER THIS SPACE WOULD REDUCE THEIR INSURANCE AND CAM EXPENSES. WAS THERE A CONSIDERATION IN THE PAST FOR HAVING THAT BE EFFECTIVELY A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ENTIRELY? I KNOW THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSION AROUND RESIDENTIAL THERE, BUT, WELL, THE CITY COMMISSION PASSED A RESOLUTION BUILDING OUR CHAMBERS, WILL YOU? WELL, YOU COULD BUILD A NEW BUILDING THERE IF THE FLORIDA CANCER DIDN'T LEAVE, BUT YOU'D BE BETTER OFF BUILDING IT OVER THERE BECAUSE THE CANCER IS ACTUALLY CONNECTED TO THE WELLS FARGO BUILDING ALREADY. SO YOU'D HAVE A BACKDOOR HALLWAY THAT WAS CONNECTED, AND THEN YOU HAVE A FRONT ENTRANCE THAT ISN'T. BUT WE CAN ADDRESS ALL THAT STUFF.THE ORIGINAL DESIGN INCLUDED FLORIDA CANCER HAD WELLS FARGO LEAVING AND INCLUDED BUILDING RESIDENTIAL AROUND WHERE THE WELLS FARGO DRIVE THROUGH IS, AS WELL AS WHERE THE OLD INSURANCE BUILDING AND THE RESTAURANTS ARE WITH THE SINGLE STORY BUILDING THAT WE THAT WE'VE RAISED WAS LOCATED. SO THE PREREQUISITE WITH THE CANCER CENTER, YOU'LL COME BACK WITH THAT AND THEN WE CAN WRITE. AND THEN THAT SHOULD BE I WAS HOPING TO HAVE IT BY TONIGHT. SO I'M GUESSING, YOU KNOW, EARLY JULY WILL BE WHEN HE COMES BACK TO ME. AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE TIMING OF IT, IT'LL EITHER BE THE LAST MEETING IN JULY OR THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST. THANK YOU FOR DOING THE DIGGING AND MY PLEASURE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER CLARK, REGARDING THE TIMELINE HERE, APPARENTLY RECENTLY REVISED TIMELINE FOR MOVING ON. THANK YOU, MR. MARTEL. COMMENTS
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BY CITY COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER REED, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS THIS EVENING? I DON'T HAVE ANY TONIGHT. COMMISSIONER JOB. YES. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I HAD THE PLEASURE TO ATTEND THE JUNETEENTH PAGEANT ON THURSDAY AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER. COMMISSIONER CLARK WAS ALSO THERE. SHE WAS ONE OF THREE JUDGES. THIS IS MY SECOND YEAR ATTENDING THIS PAGEANT. AND ONCE AGAIN, IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR ALL. THANK YOU TO THE CITY, NAACP AND ALL THOSE WHO PLANNED AND PUT TOGETHER THIS EVENT. IT WAS AN EXTRA SPECIAL HONOR FOR MISS EARTHA BRYANT, WHO AT THE YOUNG AGE OF 101, IS THE OLDEST PERSON IN EAST STEWART. AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING, A KEVIN SIMMONS OF BLUE CUBE AEROSPACE WOLFPACK MADE A PRESENTATION. I WAS SO IMPRESSED BY THAT PRESENTATION. I'M SORRY. SO IMPRESSED BY THAT PRESENTATION THAT I REACHED OUT TO MR. WILLIAM CORBIN, WHO'S THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF MARTIN COUNTY BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD, TO NAVIGATE A PRESENTATION FROM THE MCB AND HOPEFULLY, AN INTRODUCTION TO SEVERAL OF THE AEROSPACE AND AIRPORT CONTACTS WHO WORK WITH THE MARTIN COUNTY BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD. AT THE SAME TIME, OUR CITY MANAGER ALSO REACHED OUT TO MR. SIMMONS WITH AN INTRODUCTION TO MR. MCDONALD, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION AT THE MARTIN COUNTY BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THIS WAS A VERY COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, AND MR. MCDONALD AND MR. SIMMONS HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED ON JULY 11TH. THANK YOU. WONDERFUL. THAT WAS GREAT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CLARK. THANKS. THANKS FOR THE RECORD. REFLECT THAT I'M HERE. I DON'T KNOW BETWEEN SOMETHING ON SEMINOLE STREET I THINK I GOT BEHIND THE WHATEVER THE WRONG VERY BAD TRAFFIC. YEAH, YEAH.I'M SORRY. NOT GETTING BETTER. YEAH. YEAH, I CHOSE THE WRONG TIME TO CHANGE MY ROUTE, SO, YOU KNOW. YEAH. I TOO ATTENDED THE JUNETEENTH. AND JUNETEENTH HAS, OF COURSE, BEEN SOMEWHAT OF A HOLIDAY THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE MISSED UNTIL PROBABLY ABOUT, I THINK, IN THE LAST TIME WHEN WE HAD THE 45TH PRESIDENT. THERE WAS A BIG EVENT AT THAT TIME, AND THAT'S WHEN A LOT OF PEOPLE DISCOVERED JUNETEENTH AND TULSA AND ALL THE HISTORY BEHIND IT. AND AT THAT TIME, I WAS SERVING ON THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL AND A LOT OF THE CITIES AND COMMUNITIES WHO WERE ON THERE, MORE THAN 35 OF THEM, BECAUSE, OF COURSE, IT'S PALM BEACH, MARTIN AND SAINT LUCIE COUNTY.
AND THERE WERE ALL THESE MUNICIPALITIES IN PALM BEACH COUNTY, AND THERE WERE LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS ON WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE HOLIDAYS FOR THIS TIME. AND I THINK AT THAT TIME IT HAD JUST BECOME A FEDERAL HOLIDAY. AND A LOT OF SMALLER COMMUNITIES SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE ONE OF THE DAYS WHEN PEOPLE COULD TAKE THEIR TIME AS A FLOATING HOLIDAY AND NOT HAVE IT AS A AS A HOLIDAY FOR EVERYONE. THE STATE OF FLORIDA NOW HAS IT AS A HOLIDAY FOR STATE EMPLOYEES, AND PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ABOUT IT AND TALKED ABOUT IT THIS YEAR.
APPARENTLY, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAW A DRONE VIDEO FROM PORT SAINT LUCIE AND OTHER PLACES, AND THEN PEOPLE ARE ASKING, WHERE WERE YOU ON JUNETEENTH, AND WHAT DID YOU DO AND WHAT DID YOUR CITY DO? AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE IT HAS COME UP AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WHO GIVES
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WHAT HOLIDAYS. OF COURSE, WE HEAR THAT AT SOME HOLIDAYS ARE GIVEN, OTHERS ARE TAKEN. BUT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT CAME UP BECAUSE THERE WERE PEOPLE, I THINK WE HAD A BOARD MEETING ON THAT DAY. IT WASN'T OUR BOARD. IT WAS LIKE THE LPA AND OTHER THINGS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD REGULAR BUSINESS GOING. SO THE QUESTION HAS COME UP, YOU KNOW, I I'LL ASK IT AGAIN. BUT I KNOW THAT A LOT OF OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AS WELL AS OUR CITY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF AT THE TIME, MIKE, IF YOU WERE AWARE AT THE TIME AND IF WE HAD ACTUALLY RUN IN IN NUMBERS ON WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE TO GIVE ANOTHER HOLIDAY, OR SHOULD IT JUST BE A REGULAR FLOATING HOLIDAY. BUT I KNOW THAT WHEN THEY HAD DISCUSSED IT AT THAT REGIONAL MEETING, WE BRING THAT FORWARD.WE BRING THE HOLIDAY CALENDAR FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION EVERY YEAR AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS, AND THE COMMISSION ACTUALLY ADOPTS THE HOLIDAYS. SO YOU ARE THE BOARD IS FREE TO DO THAT AGAIN THIS YEAR AS WELL WHEN IT COMES UP. OKAY. SO I JUST I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. AND I AGREE IT WAS A NICE EVENT. IT PROBABLY WASN'T AS BIG AS ALL THE OTHER EVENTS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, BUT IT DID BRING SOME THINGS TO THE FOREFRONT AND IT WAS ENJOYABLE TO SEE. MISS BRYANT, I THINK SHE'S BEEN BETWEEN HERE AND TALLAHASSEE AND GEORGIA AND OTHER PLACES, AND STEWART IS HER HOME AND HER HOME ROOTS, AND SHE'S NOT GOING TO BE 100. IT'S EITHER 101 OR 102.
UNTIL NEXT WEEK, THE 10TH, THE NINTH OR 10TH, 101, 101. AND ABOUT THE 9TH OR 10TH OF JULY.
YEAH, YEAH. SO IT WAS THAT EARNS HER A RECOGNITION FOR LIKE A CENTENARIAN. YES. SO WE COULD ASK THE FAMILY IF THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT REQUEST. WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ONE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO ASK THE FAMILY AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE IF THEY IF SHE STILL HAS EITHER HAS PROPERTY HERE OR STILL OWNS AND LIVES HERE. BUT I KNOW THAT SHE SHE HAS STRONG ROOTS HERE AND THAT'S HER THAT SHOWS UP AS ONE OF HER ADDRESSES. I DID TRY TO CHECK THAT OUT. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT EVERY TIME I GO MORE OFTEN TO THE 10TH STREET RECREATION CENTER, AND I SEE THAT THE PROGRAMING THAT THEY'RE QUIETLY DOING THERE AND THE COMMUNITY SERVICES, THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLED. THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT. A LOT OF COMMUNITIES CALL THEM THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT, AND WE CALL IT THE RECREATION CENTER. BUT EVERY TIME I SEE THE COMMUNITY SERVICES THAT THEY'RE DOING THERE, IT JUST MAKES ME KNOW THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN AND KEEP AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND DELIVER SERVICES AND GET THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY INVOLVED, BECAUSE I THINK THAT A LOT OF ACTIVITIES HAPPEN THERE FOR EVERYONE, BOTH OUTSIDE THE GROUNDS AT THE 10TH STREET, AS WELL AS IN THE BUILDINGS AT THE 10TH STREET. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MR. REDSTONE AND OTHERS WHO WORK THERE KNOW THAT WE APPRECIATE WHAT THEY DO.
ANOTHER THING THAT I DID RECENTLY, I THINK THIS WAS ON THE 16TH. CLEVELAND CLINIC HAD A COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND IT WAS IN PORT SALERNO, BUT IT WAS FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, AND THEY'RE WORKING ON HEALTH AND TRYING TO GET FOLKS INVOLVED, WHETHER IT'S BLOOD PRESSURE, OBESITY, ALL THE THINGS THAT I NEED TO BE INVOLVED WITH AS WELL AS OTHER PEOPLE. AND IT'S AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WORKING ON THEIR OWN REPUTATION AND OTHER THINGS THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN THE COMMUNITY. BUT IT JUST BROUGHT OUT A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT THE STRUCTURE AND HOW THE ACCESSIBILITY WORKS AT CLEVELAND CLINIC, AND THOSE WHO ARE UNSURE OR HAVE QUESTIONS OR JUST READ SOMETHING ON, YOU KNOW, ON THE ON THE INTERNET MAY WANT TO JUST CHECK OUT THE RESOURCES AND THE WAY THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING SERVICES AT THE CLEVELAND CLINIC AND HOW TO GET AN APPOINTMENT TO HAVE A MEETING WITH WITH THE DOCTOR RIGHT THERE AT THE CLEVELAND CLINIC IN THEIR OUTPATIENT CENTERS. SO IT'S I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD EVENT AND A GOOD WAY TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND LET OTHERS KNOW THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO HEALTH. ONE THING I BROUGHT UP WITH CLEVELAND CLINIC AT THAT TIME WAS THAT THEY DO HAVE THOSE. FITNESS TRAIL THAT THE LITTLE MARKERS AROUND THE CITY, AND THAT WE NEEDED TO PROBABLY WORK AND COORDINATE WITH THEM SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A MORE CONCERTED EFFORT. I KNOW THAT CONCERTED EFFORT. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE WELLNESS PROGRAM WORKING ON
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WELLNESS, WALKING FOR WELLNESS, BUT I THINK THAT WE COULD PROBABLY DO MORE AS A CITY TO EMPHASIZE THAT BY WORKING WITH CLEVELAND CLINIC AND DOING MONTHLY PROGRAMS IN HEALTH AND WELLNESS SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, JUST TRULY BECOME A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY.THANK YOU. MR. VICE MAYOR. SO JUST A FEW THINGS. THE FIRST WAS THE SKATE PARK. I WAS CURIOUS IF WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THAT ON AN AGENDA SOON, AS IN TALKING TO JORDAN, HE HAD SENT ME THAT DESIGN UPDATE THAT CAME BACK FROM SPAHN RANCH. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IN TALKING TO HIM IS THAT DESIGN SHOULD BE IN FRONT OF US FOR APPROVAL. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT IT WAS AT A DESIGN. I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME ISSUES AS IT RELATED TO THE PROCUREMENT, AND SPAHN RANCH WASN'T WILLING TO COOPERATE WITH THE COMPANY THAT YOU GUYS HAD AWARDED THE PROCUREMENT TO. BUT I DON'T HAVE THE CRA DIRECTOR HERE TO ASK HER TODAY. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT GOT RESOLVED AND WE WERE WAITING FOR THE DESIGN, SO IT MUST HAVE. BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT AND I'M CHECKING MY EMAIL. NOBODY EMAILED IT TO ME. IS THERE A WAY WE COULD HAVE AN UPDATE? MAYBE NEXT TIME. AND TWO I WAS JUST DISCUSSING THIS WITH YOU BEFORE THE MEETING WAS WITH REGARD TO BEES. THIS MAY SEEM LIKE A NOT STUART CITY COMMISSION CONVERSATION, BUT THERE ARE HUGE ISSUES RIGHT NOW WITH COLONY COLLAPSE WITH BEES, AND SOMETHING I WANTED TO OFFER FOR US TO CONSIDER IS HAVING AN ORDINANCE FOR NO KILL, BASICALLY. YOU WOULD HAVE RELOCATION OF BEES VERSUS JUST HAVING PEST CONTROL COME OUT AND KILL BEES LIKE ROACHES AND OTHER INSECTS. AND IT'S A COMPLICATED CONVERSATION, BUT EFFECTIVELY, WITHIN COMMERCIALIZED BEEKEEPING, THERE'S A LOT OF CHEMICAL USAGE AND WEAKENING OF COLONIES, AND NORMALLY YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE THOSE WILD SWARMS THAT END UP IN PEOPLE'S SOFFITS BEING RELOCATED TO THOSE BEEKEEPERS FOR MORE ROBUST GENETICS. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, MOST OF THOSE SWARM COLONIES END UP BEING KILLED. AND THERE'S SORT OF LIKE INBREEDING AND WEAKER AND WEAKER GENETICS WITHIN COMMERCIAL BEEKEEPING. SO YOU'RE HAVING THESE HUGE COLLAPSES. SO SOMETHING I WANTED TO OFFER UP FOR US TO CONSIDER WOULD BE HAVING A NO KILL AGAIN, NO KILL ORDINANCE TO WHERE BEES MIGHT HAVE TO BE RELOCATED. AND SO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. OTHER PLACES THAT I, YOU KNOW, HAVE SEEN THAT HAVE BEEN DOING SIMILAR THINGS. SO I'M HAPPY TO BRING BACK A DAD AND HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY PROVIDE YOU GUYS WITH SOME EXAMPLES OF OTHER PLACES. BUT IF YOU GET BOARD APPROVAL, WE CAN BRING IT BACK AS A FIRST READING TO AN ORDINANCE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN GIVING THAT DIRECTION RIGHT NOW, RATHER THAN COMING BACK AS A DAD AND THEN GOING BACK TO GO BACK AGAIN AS AS AN ORDINANCE. BUT IT'S YOUR CALL. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? I THINK THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE DETAILS OF THE LEASE. NO, PRIOR TO APPROVING IT, BUT I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY RATHER THAN DELAY IT, IF WE HAD A DETAILED ORDINANCE, I THOUGHT THAT SOME BEEHIVES WERE ALREADY PROTECTED.
SO IF WE BRING BACK A DAD, IT'LL BE JUST ASKING YOU GUYS WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THE THING, AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK AND ADDRESS IT AS AN ORDINANCE IF YOU GIVE THAT DIRECTION. SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING NOW IS RATHER THAN A D AND D, BECAUSE NONE OF US ARE EXPERTS ON BEES, I'LL TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW. SO. BUT WE COULD DO A BUT BUT WE CAN BRING BACK A PROPOSED OR DRAFT ORDINANCE FROM ANOTHER COMMUNITY THAT'S JUST A NO KILL OF THE HIVES OR SWARMS. NOT OBVIOUSLY.
PEOPLE CAN STILL TAKE A FLY SWATTER OUT AND KILL A BEE AT THE PARK OR WHATEVER IT IS. IT'S NOT GOING TO DO THAT, BUT WE COULD BRING IT BACK AS AN ORDINANCE. THEN YOU COULD HEAR THE DETAILS OF THAT AND OBVIOUSLY VOTE MORE SPECIFICALLY AND HAVE MORE UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE THE WHEELS OF GOVERNMENT MOVE TOO SLOWLY FOR ME. YEAH. YEAH, I'D SUPPORT IT. YEAH, I DON'T MIND SUPPORTING IT. IT'S JUST THAT I, I'M THINKING IF I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS IN, IN WORKING ON IT, IF LEE WERE TO WORK ON IT, WE WOULD FIND OUT FROM OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT IF WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF THIS ISSUE WITHIN THE CITY OF STUART. SO FIRST OF ALL, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT WE DON'T CODE ENFORCE BEES AT THE CURRENT TIME, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO ENFORCE IF SOMEBODY HAD A BEE IN THEIR ATTIC AND THEY WANTED TO KILL IT. WITHOUT US KNOWING, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO REGULATE IT. BUT IT'S MORE OF AN EDUCATIONAL
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PROGRAM. AND IF IT WAS IN FACT A PROTECTION OF THE HIVES, IT WOULD BE KIND OF THE EDUCATIONAL SIDE OF IT. AND THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE AS IT RELATES TO THE REDUCTION IN BEE POPULATIONS AS IT RELATES TO THE CITRUS GROVES. YES, THE TREE POPULATION WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND ALL GLYPHOSATE. SO YEAH. YEAH. SO I MEAN, IT, IT IT'S IMPORTANT, IT'S IMPORTANT I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF BEES IN THE, THE TREE DOWN ON OSCEOLA HERE. SO I, I PERSONALLY PROBABLY HEAR ABOUT 1 OR 2 INCIDENTS A YEAR WHERE THERE WAS A HIVE THAT WAS IN SOMEONE'S HOUSE OR PROPERTY AND IT HAD TO BE MOVED. THERE'S NO REASON FOR THEM TO CALL ME. THERE'S NO PERMIT INVOLVED OR WHATEVER THEY CALL A BEEKEEPER. I GUESS THAT WOULD COME OUT AND DO IT ANYWAY.SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY YEAR IN STUART OR ONE YEAR IN STUART. I DON'T THINK IT'S THIS OVERWHELMING ISSUE THAT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, A BIG ISSUE AS FAR AS CODE ENFORCEMENT IS CONCERNED. BUT IT WOULD BE AN AWARENESS THING. AND MOVING FORWARD IT COULD YEAH IT WOULD SUPPORT THE UNIVERSE RIGHT. YES. I'M VERY WARY OF SHIFTING FINANCIAL BURDEN TO HOMEOWNERS OR TRYING TO RID THEM THEIR HOUSES OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS A PEST IF IT'S IN YOUR HOUSE? I DON'T WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT DOING THAT. I MEAN, IF IT WERE MAKING FINANCIAL SENSE, I'M SURPRISED THE BEEKEEPERS DON'T WORK WITH THESE PEOPLE WHO REMOVE THEM TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, I'LL COME WITH YOU AND I'LL, I'LL TAKE THEM AND PUT THEM IN A HIVE. SO IDEALLY, THAT PART I SEE IT ON FACEBOOK. PEOPLE WILL ASK IF THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO CAN RELOCATE. YEAH. BUT I THINK IF IT WAS BROADLY KNOWN WITHIN THE CITY THAT WE HAVE A NO KILL POLICY THAT MIGHT ENCOURAGE MORE OF THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR VERSUS JUST CALLING PEST CONTROL TO SPRAY THEM AND KILL THEM? YEAH.
I JUST DON'T WANT THE COST FOR HOMEOWNERS TO GO FROM $100 TO $500. THAT TO ME WOULD BE UNFAIR. AND WE CAN OBVIOUSLY ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. YEAH, 1 OR 2, WE COULD WORK WITH LOCAL BEEKEEPERS WHO'D BE WILLING TO TAKE A HIVE AND RELOCATE IT. YEAH, THAT'S WE DID THAT. WE HAD HIVE ON A PROPERTY. WE JUST REACHED OUT TO A LOCAL BEEKEEPER WHO WAS WILLING TO RELOCATE IT.
I JUST THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF STATUTE CHAPTER 586. THE STATE PREEMPTS LOCAL GOVERNMENT ORDINANCES, MEANING ONLY STATE LAW, NOT CITY OR COUNTY, CONTROLS APIARIES AND HOW THEY ARE HANDLED. THAT LIVE REMOVAL OF NUISANCE RESEARCH MUST BE DONE BY A REGISTERED BEEKEEPER AND CANNOT BE DESTROYED WITHOUT PEST CONTROL LICENSE. INTENTIONALLY KILLING BEES OTHERWISE MAY BE SUBJECT TO PENALTIES, DESTROYING CHECKED OR REGISTERED COLONIES IS ALLOWED, BUT UNAUTHORIZED DESTRUCTION CAN LEAD TO MISDEMEANOR OR FELONY CHARGES, WITH FINES UP TO $5,000. SO THAT FIRST POINT, JUST JUST 7586 WE CAN DO A PRESENTATION ON. FOR CLARIFICATION, AN APIARY IS LIKE WHERE YOU KEEP BEES. SO WE CAN'T REGULATE HOW BEEKEEPERS KEEP THEIR APIARY. BUT IF THEY'RE ON THE SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE LIKE A HORNET, BEES IN YOUR SOMETHING.
RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW. I JUST PULLED THAT UP QUICKLY TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY STATE REGULATION ON IT, SO I COULD HAVE A PRESENTATION FIRST AND AS LEAST HEAR SOMETHING IF YOU GUYS HAD A DIRE CIRCUMSTANCE, IF YOU GUYS ARE DOING YOUR RESEARCH AND YOU SEE THAT IT'S A NO GO, YOU'RE GOING TO LET US KNOW. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, FINE. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. CONSENSUS. IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK AS AN ORDINANCE, I'D NEED A MOTION A SECOND. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ALONG THOSE LINES. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. JOB QUESTION. WHAT IS THAT MOTION TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE RIGHT AWAY, OR JUST TO HAVE IT CONSIDERED? THERE WAS A MOTION TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE TO REGULATE BEEHIVES. AND IF WE CAN'T, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY NOT BE THE COLONIES IN DESTRUCTION OF BEES. YEAH. AND WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE TWO HEARINGS ON IT SO WE CAN TWEAK IT AT FIRST HEARING IF NECESSARY. YEAH. OKAY. WE'RE NOT VOTING. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. ARE THERE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, ROLL CALL PLEASE. I JUST I WANTED TO ADD OH I'M SORRY COMMISSIONER, I WOULD LOOK AT IT MORE AS LIKE AN EDUCATIONAL THING INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, A PUNISHMENT ON RESIDENTS, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY. AND I WANTED TO MENTION AS WELL, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM AN EDUCATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, MAYBE JUST HAVE IT ON THE CITY WEBSITE FOR BOATER SAFETY SWIMMING. I MEAN, WE HAD TWO CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, PASS AWAY IN A WEEK'S TIME, I BELIEVE, WITHIN 24 HOURS. SO MAYBE LOOK AT IT AS AN EDUCATIONAL PERSPECTIVE ON THE WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN GET INFORMATION AND RESOURCES FOR STUFF LIKE THIS TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON BEES INSTEAD OF JUST SPRAYING THEM TO KILL THEM. OR SAME WITH BOATER SAFETY. I MEAN, ENTOMOLOGY, STUFF LIKE THAT. OH, RIGHT. YEAH, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO KNOCK IT ALL OUT IN ONE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THE CITY WEBSITE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS. I KNOW WE HAVE SOME COMMUNITY RESOURCE STUFF ON THERE. SPEAKING OF EXPERTS, I'M FINISHED. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MADE A LITTLE
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LATE, BUT NONETHELESS, MR. SHEARER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT? I HEARD THE PUBLIC WAS INVITED, SO I THOUGHT. AND THEN WHO KNEW WE WOULD TALK ABOUT BEES TODAY? SO NEVER KNOW. YOUR FAVORITE INSEC, DOCTOR. RIGHT HERE. YOUR FAVORITE SUBJECT? WELL, THE VICE MAYOR. NO, I DIDN'T. HE DID COME TO A MEETING. YOU NEVER KNOW. I DIDN'T COME TO SPEAK ON BEES.BUT JUST AS I HEARD THE DISCUSSION AND I THINK THE CITY MANAGER GOT TO MOST OF THE POINT. BUT BUT DO KNOW THAT WHEN FOLKS HAVE INFESTATIONS, LET'S CALL IT HONEYBEES. AND KEEP IN MIND, THERE ARE MANY BEES. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HONEYBEES. BUT THEN THERE'S THINGS LIKE WASPS AND YELLOWJACKETS AND SO ON. BUT HONEYBEES GENERALLY, IF THERE'S AN INFESTATION IN A HOUSEHOLD AND LIKE A PEST CONTROL COMPANY IS CALLED, MOST OF THE TIME THEY WILL CALL WHO THEY KNOW FROM THE BEEKEEPING INDUSTRY TO COME REMOVE THE THIS IS NOT TRUE IS THEY WILL COME AND REMOVE IT AND TAKE IT BECAUSE OF COURSE THEY CAN USE IT. THERE ARE THERE'S ACTUALLY ONLY A HANDFUL OF GUYS WHO WILL REMOVE BEES. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE I DON'T WANT TO LIST THEM BY NAME, BUT THEY KILL THEM SOME. SOME DO BECAUSE IT'S A THREAT TO THE HOMEOWNER, RIGHT? THEY KILL THEM BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER THAN RELOCATING THEM CAN BE. SO THERE ARE OPTIONS. BUT I THINK EDUCATION FOR THE CITY OR THE COMMUNITY, AS YOU GUYS WERE DISCUSSING IS ALWAYS BENEFICIAL. SO I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. BUT IT'S ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT IT'S GOOD TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND GET THE FACTS AROUND WHO'S REGULATED BY WHICH DEPARTMENT, STATE, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT OF AG AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BECAUSE IT'S I, IN MY EXPERIENCE GENERALLY IS A PRETTY GOOD RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PEST CONTROL COMPANIES AND BEEKEEPERS. AND MAYBE THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS, BUT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE MY $0.02 FOR TODAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU THANKS. THANK YOU. OKAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER REED. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. YES, VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. SELBY. YES, MAYOR. RICH. NO. OKAY. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REMARKS, MR. VICE MAYOR? ONE MORE SO AROUND. BRIGHT LINE. I, I REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT THE PARKING AT THAT LOCATION. IT WAS THE MAJOR ISSUE THAT CAME UP DURING OUR. MITIGATION MEETING. MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, MORE THAN SUING THE CITY WAS THE PARKING CAME UP REPEATEDLY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LOOK. I WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE A D AND D AND DISCUSS WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS OF A BRIGHT LINE RFP SITTING ON TOP OF THE PARKING FOR THE COURTHOUSE WOULD BE BECAUSE AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, WE'RE GOING TO BE PUSHING OUT A LOT OF THAT COURTHOUSE PARKING ONTO OUR ON STREET PARKING. AND I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THAT COULD DO TO TRAFFIC. I KNOW THE COUNTY WANTED SOME OF THAT STATEMENT PARKING TO BE GIVEN OVER FOR THEIR BRIGHT LINE PROJECT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REALLY COMPREHENSIVELY HAVING US LOOK AT THIS AND SEE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I CAN BRING THAT BACK AND THERE'S NO PARKING GARAGE AT THIS MOMENT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED BY THE COUNTY. SO ALSO, HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH THE CITY, YOU KNOW, CAN THE CITY DENY SOMETHING LIKE THIS? IT'S RELATED TO A RAIL PROJECT. I WON'T BRING THAT BACK IF THE PARKING IS WILDLY INSUFFICIENT, YOU KNOW. SO I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT ALL THAT. OKAY. THAT WAS ON OKAY. JUST BRIEFLY, I WAS PROUD TO ALSO ATTEND THE JUNETEENTH EVENT AND READ A PROCLAMATION FROM THE CITY. AND IT IS A FEDERAL HOLIDAY, JUNETEENTH. THE BANKS ARE CLOSED, THE MARKETS ARE CLOSED. THE POST OFFICE IS CLOSED. AND ONE OF OUR MEMBERS OF THE OPA WAS DID NOT ATTEND BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT THAT THE CITY WOULD NOT HAVE MEETINGS ON THAT FEDERAL HOLIDAY. AND SHE CERTAINLY WAS EAGER TO PARTICIPATE IN THE JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION. SO I HOPE WE DO. COMMISSIONER, YOU KNOW, I ECHO YOUR REMARKS THAT I HOPE WE LOOK AT THAT AND CONSIDER THE STATE DOES NOT PROHIBIT US. IS THAT CORRECT, MR. MOTEL? YOU GUYS CAN GIVE US EVERY DAY OFF. OKAY. DONE. BUT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE STATE DOES NOT RECOGNIZE MLK DAY. I BELIEVE THEY DON'T. SO IT GOES BACK AND FORTH. I WOULD I
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WOULD BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT EFFORT. MR. MARTELL, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I DO I MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE THE POLICE CHIEF GIVE ME A LITTLE HELP HERE, BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON, THE NOTES THAT I KEPT ON MY COMPUTER ARE NOT SYNCING WITH MY IPAD TONIGHT. BUT FIRST, I WANTED TO JUST COMMENT ON THE WILLOUGHBY EXTENSION ON THE 25TH, WHICH IS WEDNESDAY, IS AN[00:35:08]
FDOT VIRTUAL COMMENTS THEY'RE HAVING FOR THE PROPOSED ROUTES, ROUTE 1 OR 2. AND THEN ON THE 26TH IS AN IN-PERSON PRESENTATION AND ACCEPTING OF COMMENTS ON THAT AT THE 10TH STREET REC CENTER STARTING AT 5:30 P.M. WITH PRESENTATION AT SIX AND ACCEPTING COMMENTS AFTERWARDS. THE. COMMISSIONER, CLARK, WAS TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY SERVICES. SPEAKING OF COMMUNITY SERVICES, THEY HAVE BEEN DILIGENTLY WORKING AS USUAL TO PUT ON THE RENOWNED CITY OF STUART. 4TH OF JULY FIREWORKS PRESENTATION. AND THIS YEAR IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE BECAUSE IT ALSO HAPPENS TO COINCIDE WITH MARTIN COUNTY'S BIRTHDAY AND MR. TROTSKY HAD INCORPORATED, WHICH IS IN FRONT OF ALL OF YOU, THE CENTENNIAL SALUTE TO MARTIN COUNTY. 4TH OF JULY FLIER. AND LAST TUESDAY, THE MARTIN COUNTY COMMISSION VOTED TO MAKE A SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY FIREWORKS, EQUAL TO ABOUT 50% OF THE COST OF THE FIREWORKS, WHICH WE ADDED TO THE FIREWORKS RATHER THAN REDUCING THE COST. SO IT SHOULD BE A BIG FIREWORKS SHOW ON THE 4TH OF JULY. AND MR. TROTSKY IS PUTTING TOGETHER A LITTLE AREA IN THE FLAGLER CENTER FOR CITY EMPLOYEES AND THEIR FAMILY, INCLUDING COMMISSIONERS AND COUNTY EMPLOYEES AND THEIR FAMILY, INCLUDING COMMISSIONERS, TO GO AND FIND AIR CONDITIONING DURING WHAT CAN BE SOMETIMES A VERY WARM EXPERIENCE. BUT IT WILL BE AT THE FLAGLER CENTER. WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND PUT OUT SOME PIZZA OR SOMETHING, BUT NOTHING SERIOUS. BUT IF YOU WANT TO BRING YOUR OWN COOLER AND YOU'RE 21, IT CAN EVEN HAVE STUFF IN IT THAT YOU MIGHT OTHERWISE NOT BE DRINKING DOWNTOWN BECAUSE YOU'LL BE INSIDE. THE OTHER THING IS, WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE CHIEF IS HE WAS AT A STATEWIDE MEETING LAST WEEK, AND HE EMAILED ME, AND I DON'T HAVE THE EMPLOYEES NAME BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE NOTES, BUT WHERE OUR EMPLOYEE WAS RECOGNIZED. AND I'LL LET YOU TAKE IT FROM THERE. YES. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. THE FLORIDA POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION REQUEST NOMINATIONS EACH YEAR FOR VARIOUS AWARDS TO RECOGNIZE EMPLOYEES OF THE DIFFERENT POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE STATE. WE SUBMITTED OUR RECORDS MANAGER, KIMBERLY ALLEN HEARN, TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE SPCA FOR CIVILIAN EMPLOYEE OF THE YEAR FOR A MEDIUM SIZED POLICE AGENCY. WE SUBMITTED HER FOR THAT BACK IN DECEMBER, AND SHE WAS SELECTED FOR THE STATEWIDE RECOGNITION. SO SHE ATTENDED A BANQUET FOR THE RECOGNITION LAST WEEK ON TUESDAY AT IN MIAMI BEACH AND WAS RECOGNIZED IN FRONT OF SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE, ALONG WITH OTHER HONOREES, FOR HER CONTRIBUTION TO THE RECORDS DEPARTMENT AND HER LOYALTY TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SHE'S OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR SHE TAKES CARE OF OUR PUBLIC RECORDS, REQUEST ALL RECORDS REPORTING TO THE STATE AND, AND ALL THOSE RELATED THINGS. AND SHE'S DEFINITELY A GO TO PERSON IN THERE. SO IT WAS NICE OF THE STATE ASSOCIATION TO RECOGNIZE HER FOR HER EFFORTS.CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS. SO THAT'S GREAT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS THE CITY OF STUART WAS RECOGNIZED AS A ONE OF THE TOP TEN DOWNTOWN STRIPS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA BY. AND I DON'T HAVE THAT NAME OF IT. DO YOU REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT? IT'S A I THINK, WORLD ATLAS. THAT'S RIGHT. WORLD ATLAS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CRITERIA WERE, BUT IT WAS IN HOMETOWN NEWS LAST WEEK AND IT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME. SO I THOUGHT I WOULD MENTION THAT TO EVERYBODY. SO WE ARE ONE OF THE TOP DOWNTOWN STRIPS. NOBODY WANTED ME. I THOUGHT OF IT AS A POSITIVE, SO I BROUGHT IT UP. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT A STRIP IS. YEAH. I MEAN, ARE YOU I'M ASSUMING IT'S THE MAIN STREET WALKABLE AREA AREA. I WILL FIND OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT THE ALTERNATIVE THOUGHT. IT'S NOT VEGAS, RIGHT? IT IS THE STRIP. AND THAT IS, I DO WANT TO MENTION JUST ON THE WILLOUGHBY EXTENSION, IF YOU WOULD LIKE. I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF EMAILS AND COMMENTS FROM THE CONDO ASSOCIATION. ADJACENT TO THAT. I'M HAPPY TO DO A PRESENTATION FOR YOU AS IT RELATES TO WILLOUGHBY EXTENSION IF YOU WOULD LIKE. BUT IN SHORT, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT'S BEEN ON THE. IT WAS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR MARTIN COUNTY IN THE 90S. IT STAYED THERE UNTIL THE EARLY 2000. THEY SHIFTED IT TO CITRUS BOULEVARD, THE CITY OF STUART, IN DOING THE DOG PARK ON CENTRAL PARKWAY, USED GRANT MONEY AND I AND WORKED WITH THE FDEP TO DEDICATE LAND INTO CONSERVATION AND TO DO THE DOG PARK AND THE HYDRATION OF THE AQUIFER, AND ALSO DEDICATE THE EXTENSION LAND THAT THE CITY WOULD NEED TO HAVE CONTRIBUTED
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TO THE WILLOUGHBY EXTENSION. IT ALSO HAD THE OWNER OF ABC LIQUOR. IT USED TO. THEY TORE THAT BUILDING DOWN ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO OR 15 YEARS AGO, AND BUILT A NEW BUILDING THERE. AND WHEN THEY CAME IN FOR THE PERMIT ON THAT, THE COMMISSION GOT THEM TO DONATE THE 60FT OF RIGHT OF WAY NECESSARY FOR THE ROAD TO CONNECT TO US. ONE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION THAT'S BEEN SENDING THE EMAILS, THEIR SITE PLAN APPROVAL IN FRONT OF THE CITY COMMISSION INCLUDED THE ENTIRE DESIGN OF THE ROAD, AND IT WAS BUILT TO ACCOMMODATE THE ROAD.AND I BELIEVE THAT THE IF IT WASN'T THAT THEIR DEVELOPER, THE LANDOWNER BEFORE, DEDICATED THE LAND NECESSARY FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO I ACTUALLY WOULD NEED US TO DO SOME RESEARCH THAT IF THE ROAD DIDN'T GO, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE LAND? LIKE, WOULD WE HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK AND GIVE UP THE SWING SETS AND STUFF LIKE THAT? I HAVE TO LET THAT FIND OUT, FIND OUT ABOUT THAT. AND THEN EVEN WHEN THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AND ALL THAT DESIGN WAS DONE AGAIN, THE SITE PLAN FOR THAT ROAD AND THAT PORTION OF THE EXTENSION WAS ALSO ADDRESSED AND THOSE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS WERE SHIFTED SO THAT IT DIDN'T INTERFERE WITH WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE ROAD WOULD GO THROUGH. ULTIMATELY, WHEN THE ROAD DID GET CONSTRUCTED, WHAT HAPPENED THEN WAS THAT THE MARTIN COUNTY WAS REQUIRED. THIS WAS BACK IN 2010, WAS GOING TO DO THE ACQUISITION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH MONTEREY SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS THE MOBILE HOME PARKS RIGHT THERE ON MONTEREY. AND AT THE END OF WILLOUGHBY. AND THEY, FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, PUT IT OFF AND CHOSE NOT TO DO IT. AND IN THE EARLY 2020S, THE MPO VOTED TO FEDERALIZE THE WILLOUGHBY EXTENSION AND SHIFT IT TO THE MPO, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE NO LONGER REALLY ADDRESSING IT.
IT'S BEING ADDRESSED BY THE MPO, WHICH IS WHY FDOT IS THE ONE DOING THESE PRESENTATIONS AT 10TH STREET THIS WEEK AND ADDRESSING THE THEY DID TWO DESIGNS. ONE IS TO JUST GO WHEN YOU COME UP, WILLOUGHBY, UP TO YOU GET TO MONTEREY, YOU WOULD CONTINUE GOING STRAIGHT RIGHT THROUGH AND END UP ON US ONE. THE OTHER ONE IS TO GET TO MONTEREY AND THEN TURN RIGHT ON MONTEREY AND DRIVE ALL THE WAY UP TO ABOUT WHERE THE JAIL IS. AND THERE'S A ROAD CALLED RAY'S WAY, AND THEN WIDEN RAY'S WAY AND TURN LEFT. BUT BY THE TIME ANYBODY TURNS RIGHT ON MONTEREY, THERE'S REALLY NO REASON YOU'RE ONLY 100 YARDS FROM US. ONE AT THE POINT THAT YOU'D BE TURNING LEFT ANYWAY. SO THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AND YOU'RE ALL INVITED TO GO TO THE COMMENT PERIOD. BUT I JUST DID WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND BECAUSE I SAW THOSE EMAILS COMING IN FROM THE CONDO ASSOCIATION, AND IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THEIR SALES PERSON FORGOT TO MENTION SOMETHING TO THEM, BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE NONE OF THEM KNEW THERE WAS A ROAD COMING THERE.
IT. EXCUSE ME, MR. VICE MAYOR. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER READ HAD A QUESTION OR COMMENT. I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE SOME COMMENTS. SO I, I'M ONE OF THE MEMBERS FROM THE CITY THAT SITS ON THE MPO, AND WE'RE GETTING EMAILS AND STUFF FOR SURE. BUT TO ADDRESS IT, PRIOR BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE SAT UP HERE, IF THIS HAS BEEN ON THE RECORD SINCE THE 90S FOR A PRIORITY. SO THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE WHERE WE'RE REACTING NOW TO A PROBLEM IN MARTIN COUNTY WITH TRAFFIC, AND WE WANT CONNECTING ROADS, AND WE'RE GOING TO BLOW THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO ACHIEVE IT. NOW, LIKE I SAID PRIOR BOARD MEMBERS, HOW MANY MULTIFAMILY DID THEY DO FROM COMMERCIAL TO MULTIFAMILY ZONING CHANGES ON CENTRAL PARKWAY? SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO UPSET PROBABLY EVERY RESIDENT THAT LIVES ON CENTRAL PARKWAY OR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. NEIGHBORHOOD.
YEAH. SO MY ADVICE TO THE RESIDENTS, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CITY OF STUART THAT WILL TAKE ACTION. I KNOW VICE MAYOR COLLINS AND MYSELF SIT ON THE MPO AS WELL AS YOUR FIVE MARTIN COUNTY ELECTED OFFICIALS. AND THEN YOU HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE, I BELIEVE IT'S MAYOR CARMINE FROM INDIANTOWN AND THEN COMMISSIONER MAYFIELD FROM SEWALL'S POINT. SO IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT AND YOU'RE AFFECTED BY IT, I WOULD REACH OUT TO THOSE BOARD MEMBERS, NOT JUST THE CITY OF STUART, BECAUSE THERE'S THREE BOARD MEMBERS UP HERE THAT DON'T SIT UP THERE. BUT THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO COMMENT ON. AND IF I CAN, IF I COULD PROVIDE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THAT AS WELL.
THE CONDO BUILDING ITSELF, THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY AND THEIR APPROVAL WAS BASED UPON THE CAPACITY OF THIS ROAD BEING BUILT. RIGHT. SO THE IRONY IS THAT THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT MULTIFAMILY ARE THE ONES COMPLAINING ABOUT NOT WANTING THE ROAD. BUT WHEN YOU SAY THAT WE WERE GOING TO DISRUPT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEIR CONDO COULDN'T HAVE BEEN APPROVED IF THE ROAD HADN'T BEEN DESIGNED AND ON THE BOOKS, BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE TRAFFIC CAPACITY IN THEIR PRESENTATION TO GET APPROVED WITHOUT IT. NO, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, MIKE, BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS IS THIS IS GOVERNMENT AT ITS FINEST. I GUESS THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY TONIGHT ON THAT. COMMISSIONER JOB. I WANTED TO JUST ADD THAT THERE ARE TWO THINGS IN A LOT OF AND IT MAY BE MISINFORMATION, BUT I'M GETTING EMAILS AND PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
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EMINENT DOMAIN TAKING PLACE ON SOME OF THOSE ROADS AND AFFECTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THERE'S ALSO THEY CONTINUE TO HAVE BUILDING ON SOUTHEAST CENTRAL PARKWAY. SO IT'S NOT JUST THE UNITS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, BUT THERE'S MORE UNITS TO BE BUILT. I JUST PASSED THE OTHER DAY AND THERE'S YEAH, AND THERE'S MORE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON. SO THAT'S ALL PLANNED ALREADY? YEAH. WELL CALCULATED, BUT IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, I DON'T THINK YOU'D GET AS MANY FLACK FROM RESIDENTS. NOW. IT'S RESIDENTIAL. MR. VICE MAYOR, MY OPINION I, I DO DETEST THAT FEELING OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO BE LOCKED INTO PREVIOUS BAD DECISIONS. I DO NOT LIKE THAT.YOU ARE SEVERELY DAMAGING A LOW INCOME HISPANIC NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST GOING TO TAKE THE BRUNT OF IT. AND THEN YOU'RE CUTTING POPPLETON CREEK, THAT GREEN SPACE IN HALF, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT I KNOW, NONE OF US WERE UP HERE WHEN ANY OF THESE THINGS WERE BEING DECIDED. THEY WERE.
BUT YOU WERE. WELL, WE WEREN'T WE WERE IN THAT AREA JUST NOT CUTTING ON YOU. BUT THAT'S A THAT MOST OF THAT LITTLE AREA IS BELONGS TO MARTIN COUNTY. BUT THAT WAS ALL A PART OF THE PLAN.
AND I CAN, I CAN COMMENT AND SAY THAT THE MONTEREY SUBDIVISION, FIRST OF ALL, THEY WERE ALL ON WELLS. AND IT'S 100% MOBILE HOME PARK AND 100% RENTALS. AND THE CITY IS STEWART PROVIDED THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WATER FOR ALL OF THEM TO BE HOOKED UP TO WATER. WHEN WE LEARNED THAT THE GROUNDWATER UNDER THERE WAS POLLUTED AND NOT BY US, BUT BY AN UNKNOWN SOURCE, AND THE COUNTY AND THE CITY DID A JOINT PARTNERSHIP TO PROVIDE THE WATER FOR THEM. BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE REASON THAT THE MONTEREY SUBDIVISION HAS REMAINED EXACTLY HOW IT IS BECAUSE SINCE THE 1990S, THIS ROAD HAS BEEN DEPICTED ON THE MONTEREY SUBDIVISION AND AS A RESULT, THE LANDOWNERS ON IT HAVE HAD NO INTEREST IN DOING REDEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THEY ANTICIPATED WHATEVER THIS ROAD IS GOING TO BE. AND THEY WERE WAITING FOR THE ROAD AND IT KEPT GETTING DELAYED AND SHIFTED AND MOVED. SO IF IN FACT, THIS ROAD HAD NEVER BEEN THERE, THE MONTEREY SUBDIVISION WOULD HAVE BEEN LONG SINCE DEVELOPED. WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE HISTORICALLY FOR WHY IT SHIFTED AND DIDN'T HAPPEN? IT WAS ORIGINALLY BECAUSE THE COUNTY CONTACTED THE CITY AND WANTED TO DO CITRUS BOULEVARD. THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ALREADY HAPPENED MANY YEARS AGO AND THE CITY BACK IN LIKE 2005 VOTED TO MOVE IT DOWN. AND THEN IT WAS A FUNDING ISSUE. BUT THE CITY, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY LAND FOR THE ROAD. AND THE CITY GOT THE LANDOWNERS WHEN THEY GOT THOSE BUILDINGS APPROVED, TO DEDICATE THE RIGHT OF WAY NECESSARY TO PUT IN THE INTERSECTIONS, TO PUT IN THE TURN LANES AND TO PUT THE ROADS IN, AND THEN THE CITY IN WORKING WITH POPPLETON CREEK, WITH THE DEP, DID THE EXTENSION THROUGH POPPLETON CREEK AND THEN OF COURSE, GOT THE ABC LAKERS TO DEDICATE THE LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE. THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT WAS WILLOUGHBY ROAD FROM MONTEREY ALL THE WAY TO COVE ROAD, AND THEIR LAST SECTION WAS THAT PORTION OF THE MONTEREY SUBDIVISION THAT'S IN THE COUNTY. THAT'S NOT IN THE CITY OF STEWART. THAT WAS GOING TO BE A RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, AND THE COUNTY CHOSE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION BACK. WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IS IN 2009, THE ECONOMY TANKED AND STAYED THAT WAY UNTIL ABOUT 2014. AND THE COUNTY PHILOSOPHICALLY FELT LIKE IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE COUNTY TO BE ACQUIRING PROPERTY AND DOING STUFF IN A, IN A BAD ECONOMY LIKE THAT. SO THERE WAS A PHILOSOPHICAL REASON AGAINST DOING A PROPERTY RIGHTS ACQUISITION CASE. AND THEN WHEN THE ECONOMY CAME BACK, I WASN'T AT THE MPO MEETING AS TO OR THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING WHEN THEY STARTED TO DECIDE TO FEDERALIZE IT, BUT NEITHER HERE NOR THERE THERE WAS THERE WAS IMPACT FEE MONEY THAT WAS DEDICATED. THE CITY OF STUART HAD MADE ITS CONTRIBUTIONS, AND WHATEVER IT WAS GOING TO DO HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE. WHAT WAS LEFT WAS THE COUNTY SIDE OF IT, AND THEN IT GOT FEDERALIZED. BUT IT'S AGAIN, I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE TO BRING UP THE WHOLE DISCUSSION OF WHETHER IT'S A GOOD OR BAD THING TONIGHT. I THINK THAT IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THE LOCATION OF IT OR NOT, LIKING THE LOCATION OF IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GO TO THE 10TH STREET REC CENTER AND EXPRESS YOUR OPINIONS TO FDOT. THEY CAN DOCUMENT THEM AND IT WILL BE PART OF THE REPORT THEY PROVIDE TO THE MPO. AND I THINK IT'S 5 TO 7 YEARS OUT RIGHT NOW, IS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM FUNDING PERSPECTIVE OR WHATEVER IT IS ANYWAY. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MOVING DIRT NEXT SUMMER. IT'S FAST FOR THE MPO, RIGHT. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. IS THAT OKAY? CAN I
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HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA PLEASE? SO MOVED. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE[00:50:05]
VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. COMMENT I WANTED TO SEE IF WE COULD PULL FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THE AGENDA ITEM THREE, RESOLUTION 62 2025. CERTAINLY MAY. OKAY. IS THAT OKAY? WILL YOU AMEND YOU PUT IT AT THE END AS WELL. MY MOTION REMOVING ITEM THREE FROM CONSENT. OKAY. AGREE. AND WHERE DO YOU WANT TO MOVE IT. YOU CAN PUT IT AT THE END. THAT'S FINE BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER THINGS I THINK THAT ARE MORE IMPORTANT. WELL WE'LL PUT IT RIGHT AFTER WE APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THEN WE'LL DEAL WITH ITEM THREE. IS THERE ANY IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR? I MOTION APPROVED. OKAY. CAN I GET COMMENTS FROM THE[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (Non-Agenda Related) (3 Minutes Max.)]
PUBLIC? ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON NON AGENDA RELATED ITEMS? MADAM CLERK I DO OKAY. I HAVE THOMAS EDWARDS. GOOD EVENING, MR. EDWARDS. HELLO, MY NAME IS TOM EDWARDS. I LIVE IN JENSEN BEACH. I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THE LEFT TURN. YOU TURN LANE IN THE MEDIAN OF SOUTHBOUND SOUTH FEDERAL HIGHWAY THAT SITS WITH JENSEN, THE CITY DINER ON THE WEST SIDE AND THE VOLVO DEALERSHIP ON THE EAST SIDE. I PROVIDED YOU WITH A PICTURE WHICH I TOOK A WEEK AGO SUNDAY MORNING. I HAVE THREE CONCERNS HERE. OBVIOUSLY. THE FIRST CONCERN IS THE BUSHES THEMSELVES. THE SECOND THE SECOND CONCERN IS THE FACT THAT THE HIGHWAY CURVES TO THE RIGHT, RIGHT AT THAT POINT, FURTHER BLOCKING THE VIEW OF THE CARS. AND THE THIRD CONCERN IS THE FACT THAT THE CARS ARE COMING AT YOU AT 50 MILES AN HOUR. SO AND IT'S FURTHER, IT'S FURTHER COMPLICATED BY, BY THE FACT THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE, THE HEADLIGHTS AT NIGHTTIME, THE HEADLIGHTS OF THOSE CAR OF ALL CARS COMING AT YOU ARE BELOW THOSE LEVEL OF THE BUSHES. SO I'VE ALWAYS FOUND THIS INTERSECTION A LITTLE SCARY. I USE IT A LOT BECAUSE I EAT AT THE DINING PLACES THAT ARE NEAR THERE, SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO RECOMMEND. I THINK IT'S A TRAFFIC HAZARD, AND I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU REMOVE THE BUSHES. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REMARKS? THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER I HAVE CLAY SHEARER. IT'S BOTH.BUT WE DO MAINTAIN IT AND PAY FOR IT. BUT IT'S IT IS. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. CLAY SHEARER, 200 SOUTHEAST FOUR WINDS DRIVE IN STEWART. I COME BEFORE YOU TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS TO THINK ABOUT AND HOPEFULLY GAIN YOUR SUPPORT ABOUT A TREE PLANTING PROGRAM.
SO AND PERHAPS IT'S LINKED TO AN AGENDA ITEM LATER IN THE DAY. BUT I THOUGHT I WOULD SPEAK TO IT NOW. SO I KNOW WE HAVE A THERE IS A TREE PLANTING PROGRAM AS PART OF THE CRA IN THE CRA, LET'S SAY ZONE GEOGRAPHY. I WOULD ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT HAVING A MAYBE A CITYWIDE TREE PLANTING PROGRAM. AND I'M THINKING ABOUT WHEN I SAY TREE PLANTING BY THE CITY, I'M THINKING OF RIGHTS OF WAY, RIGHT OF WAY OR RIGHTS OF WAY OR RIGHT OF WAYS ALONG OUR CITY STREETS AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS WE COULD USE, I THINK, AS MANY SHADE TREES AS WE COULD POSSIBLY GET.
AND WITH THE RIGHT LOGIC AND SPECIES SELECTION AND COORDINATION, IT CAN BE A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN CITY TREE PLANTING PROGRAMS IN IN DOWNTOWN PHILADELPHIA. SO AMONG ALL THE CONCRETE AND STEEL, AS WELL AS IN WINTER PARK, FLORIDA. AND IT'S MY EXPERIENCE, AND I THINK THE EXPERIENCE OF FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, IT'S VERY WELCOME. IT INCREASES THE VALUE OF EVERYONE'S PROPERTY AND PROVIDES NICE PLACES TO WALK AND SHADE, MAYBE ALONG WITH SIDEWALKS AND SO ON. BUT AT LEAST A TREE PLANTING PROGRAM, WHICH WOULD BE MANAGED, I WOULD PRESUME, BY THE CITY MANAGER, CITY STAFF, A WATERING PROGRAM, A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, AND DEPENDING ON HOW VAST YOU WANT TO GET, IT CAN BE GPS AND MAPPED AND IT CAN BE ALL ONLINE. AND IT'S QUITE COOL TO HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION AND HAVE THAT KIND OF PROGRAM. WINTER PARK. WINTER PARK IS THAT EXAMPLE. SO AND I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED TO HELP OR JOIN OR VOLUNTEER THE CITY OR THE CITY STAFF IF THEY IF YOU ALL WERE TO SUPPORT SUCH A PROGRAM, I WOULD LEND WHATEVER HELP OR EXPERTISE I COULD. I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHERS THAT COULD. THE MARTIN COUNTY NATIVE PLANT SOCIETY IS CERTAINLY A GOOD RESOURCE FOR SUCH THINGS.
THE EXTENSION SERVICE. BUT THAT'S WHY I COME TO YOU TODAY, IS JUST TO THINK ABOUT A TREE PLANTING PROGRAM FOR THE CITY, NOT JUST THE CRA, BUT FOR THE CITY. AND AGAIN, IF IT'S
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SOMETHING THAT COULD BE SUPPORTED OR RESOURCED BY EXISTING BUDGETS, SO BE IT. BUT IF IT BECAME PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE BUDGET, HEY, THAT'S THAT'S FINE TOO. WE'LL TAKE IT ANY WAY YOU CAN SUPPORT. SO THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE HELEN MCBRIDE. THE ONLY GREEN. GOOD EVENING, MISS MCBRIDE. HI, HELEN MCBRIDE. I I'VE BEEN HERE 52 YEARS, AND I COME TO A LOT OF MEETINGS. AND WHEN MIKE WAS TELLING YOU I WAS YOUR CIVILIAN, THAT WAS HERE WHEN WILLOUGHBY WAS FIRST BROUGHT UP. AND EVERYTHING MIKE SAID IS THE TRUTH. EVERY DEVELOPER THAT STOOD HERE AND WANTED TO BUILD ON CENTRAL PARKWAY, THE FIVE COMMISSIONERS, THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY ATTORNEY, LET THEM ALL KNOW THAT WILLOUGHBY WAS GOING THROUGH. AND I MEAN, WHEN THEY'RE CALLING YOU, IT'S LIKE MYSELF, LET THE BUYER BEWARE.WHEN BOB AND I BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY, WE HAD AN AIRPORT BEHIND US. WELL, AT THE TIME, MAYBE GRUMMAN 1 OR 2 AIRPLANES WERE COMING A YEAR. THERE WAS VERY FEW PRIVATE PLANES. BUT LOOK AT IT TODAY. BUT NOW I KNOW. I MEAN, BOB AND I BUILT KNOWING WE WOULD HAVE AN AIRPORT, BUT THE PEOPLE ON WILLOUGHBY WHEN THEY DO KAUAI, IF YOU WANT THEM TO CONTACT ME, EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPER BECAUSE I CAN REMEMBER BACK ONE DEVELOPER WHERE HE HAD IT SITUATED, HE HAD TO MOVE IT BECAUSE IT WAS TOO CLOSE TO, YOU KNOW, WHERE WILLOUGHBY IS GOING TO GO. AND I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THE WILLOUGHBY MEETING. I THOUGHT, DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN, THEY'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT WILLOUGHBY AND IT'S STILL NOT BUILT. AND I WAS SURPRISED, MIKE SAID. BUT EIGHT MORE YEARS, I DON'T KNOW. YOU WERE. I'LL BE 106 OR 108 A LONG TIME. YEAH, RIGHT. I HAVE TO HAVE A WHEELCHAIR. BUT I MEAN, YOU CAN'T BLAME THE COMMISSIONERS BACK THEN BECAUSE LIKE YOU FIVE SITTING UP HERE NOW, AND MAYBE IF YOU'RE STILL HERE WHEN THEY FINALLY PLANS COME THROUGH, YOU'RE THE. OUR COMMISSIONERS WERE VERY HONEST. EVERY DEVELOPER KNEW IN THE FUTURE WILLOUGHBY WAS GOING TO GO WHERE IT IS. AND THE MARTIN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS LET THOSE PEOPLE FROM MONTEREY AND WILLOUGHBY KNOW THOSE DEVELOPMENT TRAILER PARKS, MOBILE HOMES, WOULDN'T THEY NO LONGER WOULD BE THERE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. VICE MAYOR. I THINK COMMISSIONER READ MR. READ COMMENT. I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN TOWARDS THE SOUTHBOUND STUFF. I THINK THIS IS A CITYWIDE ISSUE. IF YOU WANT MY OPINION. IT'S NOT JUST THIS INTERSECTION, BUT THIS IS A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION. YOU HAVE WALLACE COMING OUT TYPICALLY AND YOU'RE USUALLY WAITING ANYWAY.
BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TEN STREET SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THERE'S MULTIPLE BLIND SPOTS IN THE CITY OF STEWART WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET MOWED DOWN, WHETHER YOU'RE A PEDESTRIAN OR YOU'RE IN A CAR. I WON'T EVEN COME OUT BY SAILOR'S RETURN. I'D RATHER GO THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT AND THEN GO NORTHBOUND ON DIXIE HIGHWAY, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET PLOWED THERE IN A CAR OR A PEDESTRIAN THERE. I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF INTERSECTIONS, IN MY OPINION, IN THE CITY OF STEWART THAT ARE UNSAFE, WHETHER IT'S OVERGROWN TREES OR YOUR BY FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH ON AKRON AND OCEAN. THEY'RE THEY PUT UP A SCREEN SAFETY FENCE THERE FOR ANYONE THAT GOES THAT INTERSECTION, YOU CANNOT SEE UNLESS YOU'RE COMING OUT OF THAT INTERSECTION BY 4 OR 5 FOOT. AND BY THEN PEOPLE ARE HONKING THEIR HORNS AT YOU, OR YOU'RE JUST TAKING THE RISK AND HOPING FOR THE BEST. SO I THINK IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE ADDRESSED CITYWIDE, NOT JUST THIS INTERSECTION, BY THE WAY. THAT'S ALL, MR. VICE MAYOR. JUST JUST TO HELEN'S POINT, THE ONLY CONSIDERATION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WATCHING LUKE LATHAM, YOU KNOW, HE HE PAID THE MONEY TO EVEN BE AN INTERVENER. AND BEGGED THIS COMMISSION NOT TO APPROVE ALL OF THOSE UNITS ON CENTRAL, SO I DO. LUKE MOVED INTO THE BUILDING THAT HAD THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION. HE WAS ASKING US TO NOT APPROVE THE BUILDING DOWN THE ROAD. THAT'S NOT ON THE WILLOUGHBY EXTENSION, BUT TO THE LARGER POINT THAT IF THAT WOULD HAVE REMAINED COMMERCIAL, IF WE WOULD NOT HAVE APPROVED ALL THESE UNITS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF SOMEBODY LIKE LUKE, YOU'RE NOW LOOKING AT WHERE YOU'RE YOU LIVE AS BEING THAT MAIN THOROUGHFARE, PLUS ALL OF THESE UNITS. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE I CAN APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPERS, AND THE DEVELOPERS DON'T PARTICULARLY CARE BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIVE THERE. WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE CASE? BUT FOR THE
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PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, I THINK THEY'VE BEEN GETTING BEAT UP PRETTY HARD. JUST JUST AS A, YOU KNOW, MORE CONTEXT AND THOUGHT AROUND IT BEYOND JUST SAYING, WELL, THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE SIGN AND, YOU KNOW, SO THEIR THEIR FRUSTRATIONS ARE IRRELEVANT KIND OF A THING.OKAY. WE'VE HAD COMMISSIONER COMMENT. WE'RE JUST SORT OF THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE THAT WE RESPOND IN DETAIL TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. IF YOU WISH TO HAVE THIS MORE IN DEPTH. I MEAN, BOTH COMMISSIONER REID AND THE VICE MAYOR, OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS AN ISSUE OF GREAT CONCERN. THEY'RE SITTING THERE. THEY SIT ON THE CORRECT BOARDS TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND, WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION, BUT OTHERWISE WE'RE DONE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THAT CORRECT, MADAM CLERK? AND SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR PULLING ITEM THREE. I'LL RESTRAIN MYSELF. THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER, ANY OTHER COMMENT WITH REGARD? WE'RE JUST WE'RE NO WE'RE MOVING ON THIS THIS IS NOT A GENERAL COMMISSIONER COMMENT PERIOD. OKAY. BUT IS IT THE PURPOSE OF BEING ON THE DAIS SO THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO IT'S ALSO TO ADHERE TO THE AGENDA. OKAY. CAN I GET A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR, A QUESTION PLEASE, WITH REGARD TO WHAT YOU'LL HEAR IT WHEN I ASK MY QUESTION AND OUR CHANCES. YEAH. YOU KNOW, NOT AT THIS TIME. CAN WE GET A
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MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR? SO PULLING ITEM THREE, ITEM THREE. YES.OKAY. WE HAD A SECOND. WE NOW WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT. THE CONSENT CALENDAR. YEAH. YES. WE HAVE THE MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR. SECOND, WAS THAT YOU, COMMISSIONER CLARK? YES. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY,
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SO, MR. BAGGETT, WILL YOU READ ITEM THREE FOR OUR CONSIDERATION, PLEASE? RESOLUTION NUMBER 62, DASH 2025, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, ADOPTING A TITLE SIX NONDISCRIMINATION POLICY AND PROGRAM PLAN, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. AND THIS IS AN ITEM THAT I HAD PREPARED. I HAVE ATTACHED THE PROPOSED NEW POLICY. BACK IN 2023. THE CITY HAD ADOPTED A PRIOR POLICY VERY SIMILAR, AND HOWEVER, IT WAS ONLY SOMEWHAT LIMITED TO THE TRANSIT PROGRAM, I.E. THE PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE. SO WE ARE GETTING GRANT FUNDS AND SO FORTH FROM FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION INVOLVING FEDERAL FUNDS ON OTHER PROJECTS. SO MYSELF, KEVIN SMITH AND PUBLIC WORKS AND OUR CITY CITY CLERK HAD GONE THROUGH ABOUT UPDATING THIS POLICY AND MAKING IT MORE BROAD TO APPLY CITYWIDE AND NOT JUST TO THE CITY TRANSIT. AND SO I PUT TOGETHER THE POLICY THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ITEM, AND I'M HAPPY. I DON'T THINK I NEED TO GO THROUGH IT WORD BY WORD. BUT IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THEM. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. VICE MAYOR? SO DID YOU WANT TO GO FIRST, COMMISSIONER REED? SURE.MY QUESTIONS WERE SIMPLE. WHAT? WHAT WAS THE GRANT PROGRAM CALLED? I SAW WHERE IT KIND OF BRIEFLY MENTIONED IT. AND WHAT WAS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THEY WERE APPLYING FOR, AND WHAT WAS IT GOING TO BE USED FOR THE FUNDS? WAS IT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE TRAM PROGRAM? NO. IN THE PAST OR I KNOW IN THE PAST IT WAS FOR THE KEVIN IS HERE. HE'S THE ONE WORKING ON THE TAP GRANT. THE TAP GRANT IS A OR A TAP ARE BOTH FOR ROADS TO BE DONE THROUGH FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. AND THEY REQUIRE THEM. SO IF YOU WANT TO ASK HIM HE CAN GIVE YOU THE SPECIFICS ON THE ISSUES. SURE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO THE LECTERN, PLEASE? I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU KNEW THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND WHAT. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN DO YOU HAVE THE CLOSE NUMBERS? YOU JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE. KEVIN SMITH, UN PROGRAMS MANAGER. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MIKE, EVEN I CAN SEND YOU INFORMATION. IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE THEM A BRIEF SUMMARY OF WHAT YOUR, WHAT THE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON AND WHAT THE GRANT IS FOR. YEAH THAT'S ALL. WELL, BASICALLY HAVING THIS UPDATE, IT ALLOWS US TO, TO ACCESS BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUIRING THIS THE LAP, WHICH IS A LOCAL AGENCY AGENCY PROGRAM. HAVE SOME INFORMATION HERE. SO WHERE THEY'RE UPDATING SO DO WE
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HAVE A SPECIFIC GRANT THAT WE'RE APPLYING IT TO RIGHT NOW. OR IS IT OUR SPECIFIC GRANT WE'RE APPLYING. IS A PROJECT SPECIFIC GRANT. PROJECT SPECIFIC IS WHAT WE ARE GOING FOR. AND IT'S FOR THE JOAN JEFFERSON JOAN JEFFERSON UP TO COLORADO. THAT THAT PARTICULAR AREA. THAT'S A STREET SCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, ROAD SIDEWALKS, DRAINAGE, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO THAT WE'VE ALREADY PASSED THROUGH ALL THE BOARDS WITH THAT. AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION LIKE THIS PARTICULAR. NONDISCRIMINATION POLICY UPDATED SO THAT WE CAN GET FURTHER ALONG WITH THIS CERTIFICATION PROCESS. OKAY. YEAH. THAT WAS ALL. AND THEN YEAH, MAYBE FROM THE BOARD GET A CONSENSUS AS WELL. I KNOW THAT THE TRAM PROGRAM HAS ALWAYS BEEN TALKED ABOUT WHETHER IT'S EXPANDING, ADDING MORE STOPS, LOOKING AT WHERE THE STOPS ARE LOCATED. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT OR EVEN EXPANDING WHERE WE CAN DRIVE GOLF CARTS IN THE CITY OF STUART. I KNOW THEY CAN ONLY BE ON CITY OWNED ROADS, CAN'T BE ON COUNTY OWNED ROADS OR STATE OWNED ROADS, RIGHT? CORRECT. THAT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO PASS LAWS ON US1. AND SO SINCE THE STATE MAKES IT ILLEGAL, WHEN WE PASS THE GOLF CART ORDINANCE, WE APPROACH THE COUNTY FOR EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD. AND THEY SAID NO. SO AND PALM BEACH ROAD AS WELL, WHICH IS WEIRD BECAUSE I KNOW I MEAN, I HAVE A GOLF CART AND YOU KNOW, WE CARRY INSURANCE ON THEM AS WELL. IT'S NOT LIKE THE EV BIKES. THOSE GUYS DON'T HAVE ANY INSURANCE ON THOSE THINGS. SO I ACTUALLY FOUND OUT I HAD A HALF $1 MILLION POLICY ON MY GOLF CART, AND I HAD NO CLUE, BUT IT WAS $225 A YEAR, SO IT'S NICE TO CARRY THAT KIND OF COVERAGE. NOT SAYING I WOULD CAUSE A HALF $1 MILLION IN DAMAGE ON ONE, BUT NOW THAT WE KNOW SOMEONE MIGHT LOOK, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE AN ORANGE ONE ACROSS THE STREET, BUT I DON'T KNOW, IT MIGHT BE WORTH LOOKING INTO EXPANDING BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SPECIFIC CRITERIA. I THINK THERE IS. SO THIS AGENDA ITEM IS JUST TO ADOPT A POLICY RELATED TO FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION'S GRANT PROCESS. WE CAN BRING BACK DISCUSSIONS REGARDING GOLF CARTS AND THE TRAM'S POLICIES, BUT THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY RELATED TO THAT. THE ONLY REASON I MENTIONED IS BECAUSE THERE WAS A MAP ON THE TRAM. SO IN TITLE SIX IS A FEDERAL LAW. AND SO MONIES ARE FLOWING IN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REQUIRES THAT WE COMPLY WITH THE FEDERAL LAW, AND THE FEDERAL LAW REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE THIS WRITTEN POLICY EVERY THREE YEARS. WE HAVE TO UPDATE THIS. DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OF STAFF? NO. THAT'S IT. THANKS, MAYOR RICH, THANK YOU. KEVIN. YOU KNOW THE NUMBERS AND STUFF. OKAY. SO I FEEL LIKE THE IMPETUS FOR THE FORGIVE ME KNOW THE IMPETUS FOR THIS. THE GRANT, THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS SAYING, HEY, YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT BE CITY WIDE OR DOING THIS TO TRY TO SO DOT DOT I'S AND CROSSED LAST SEPTEMBER BEFORE BEFORE IT'S COME BEFORE MULTIPLE TIMES. WE HAVE A TITLE SIX POLICY IN THE CITY. WE ARE REQUIRED TO BY LAW. BUT IT APPLIED TO THE GOLF. WELL, EVERY TIME WE GET ONE OF THESE GRANTS, SOMEBODY COMES FORWARD TO ME AND SAYS, WELL, YOU DON'T. WELL, THIS GRANT DOESN'T COVER THE FDOT TAP OR THE THIS AND I SAY, YES, IT DOES. IT'S A GENERAL TITLE SIX POLICY. AND SO WHEN THIS CAME, THE SAME REQUEST CAME AGAIN. I SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SEVENTH TIME WE'VE DONE THIS. WHY DON'T WE, INSTEAD OF ADOPTING A TITLE SIX POLICY FOR EVERY SINGLE THING WE DO AND HAVING SEVEN DIFFERENT TITLE SIX POLICIES, WHY DON'T WE JUST MAKE ONE UNIVERSAL TITLE SIX POLICY THAT'S IN THE EMPLOYEE MANUAL THAT SAYS YOU DON'T DISCRIMINATE WHETHER YOU'RE BUILDING A ROAD OR WHETHER YOU'RE HIRING AN EMPLOYEE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TIED TO THE GRANT. IT CAN BE MORE GENERAL. SO THAT WAS KIND OF HOW IT GOT GENERALIZED HERE. MY FRUSTRATION WITH THIS, LIKE TWO YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS BRAND NEW ON THE BOARD, WAS THE CHART WHERE YOU ARE. ADMINISTRATOR BREAKING DOWN THE RACE, THE ETHNICITY OF EVERYBODY ON THE BOARDS. I THINK THAT THIS IS STRIKING. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE STRUCK IT? WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE IT IN THERE. SO WHEN WE'RE ON, I SAW THAT FTA CIRCULAR 40 702.1 B. IT SAYS THAT THAT'S WHAT REQUIRES IT. IT REQUIRES A LANGUAGE, PARTICULARLY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE ETHNICITY OF EVERYBODY THAT'S ON A BOARD CHART. YOU HAVE TO REPORT IT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE POLICY. SO WOULD IT BE LEGALLY SOUND? BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS WILDLY INAPPROPRIATE THAT SOMEBODY CAUCASIAN, AFRICAN AMERICAN, WHO CARES IF WE'RE AMERICA DOES JUST REQUIRE THAT WE REPORT IT. IT IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE IN THE POLICY. THE POLICY IS THAT WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY AND REPORT THE MAKEUP OF THE BOARDS, BUT NOT THAT THEY BE LISTED IN[01:10:02]
THE POLICY, BECAUSE I THINK FROM A BOOKKEEPING STANDPOINT, THIS WOULD BE OBNOXIOUS TO HAVE TO CONSTANTLY BE UPDATING OUR POLICY WITH THIS. WHAT DO YOU THINK WE DO? WELL, WE MR. SMITH SAID THAT WE HAVE TO UPDATE IT EVERY THREE YEARS, AND THAT'S WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO UPDATE THAT, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT CHANGES THE MOST IN THE IS THE MAKEUP OF OUR ADVISORY BOARD AND OUR COMMISSION EVERY THREE YEARS. SO AS FAR AS WHETHER OR NOT WE JUST HAVE TO REPORT IT VERSUS HAVE IT IN A POLICY, I DON'T KNOW, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE I HAVE CITED IN HERE AN FTA CIRCULAR 4702.1 B THAT YOU REPORTED VERSUS CHARTER, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF THIS WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS POLICY, BECAUSE IT'S I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE PERSONALLY, BUT THIS WOULD BE MY COMMENT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF, MR. MAYOR? YES, THERE. NO, KEVIN, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU. YES. NO QUESTIONS. I JUST WANTED TO IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, I WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION, OKAY, THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 622 DASH 2025 AS. PRESENTED BY STAFF. CAN WE HAVE THIS BE TABLED AND HAVE HIM COME BACK AND SEE IF THAT'S AN ISSUE? WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION AT THE MOMENT. SO NOT SECOND LYDIA, WE NEED A SECOND. SO CAN I CALL STAFF BACK THEN WHILE I'M DOING THIS DO IS THERE A IS THERE A DEADLINE FOR HAVING THIS SO THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN THE WORKS? REALLY, REALLY SOONER THAN LATER? I MEAN WE'RE YES BASICALLY EXPIRED. NOW THERE'S A TITLE SIX NONDISCRIMINATION ASSURANCE. POLICY ASSURANCE FORM TITLE SIX POLICY. I WANT TO BE CLEAR. YEAH. BUT THERE'S ANOTHER COMPONENT, THE ASSURANCE FORM THAT HAS TO BE FILLED OUT AND TURNED IN. OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE THE APPENDICES THAT HAVE TO MATCH UP WITH ALL THE TITLE. SIX I WILL LOSE THE DOLLARS FOR THOSE PROJECTS. YEAH, I CAN DO THAT. BUT WE IT'S ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THE MPO, ALL THOSE OTHER GROUPS. SO I FINALIZED. BUT I CAN DEFINITELY PROVIDE YOU GUYS WITH NUMBERS. WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT I CAN GET YOU THE NUMBERS. CAN YOU TAKE A ROUGH GUESS. BLESS YOU. THE GRANT I BELIEVE ARE PROBABLY IT'S LIKE 500,000 OR SO. I THINK THE TOTAL PROJECTS LIKE 745,000. THIS CHART WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE WITH THAT MONEY. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SEPARATE THING WITH PROJECTS. AND YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WE DON'T ADOPT THIS. IT PUTS THAT MONEY AT RISK. WE COULD ADOPT. IT DOES. WE COULD ADOPT THIS WITHOUT THIS CHART. AND LIKE MIKE SAID, IT WOULD NOT PUT IT AT RISK BECAUSE THEY REPORTED WHAT MR. BAGGETT SAID. THEY REPORTED SEPARATELY. THAT'S NOT WHAT MR. BAGGETT SAID. HE SAID HE WASN'T SURE. SO MAYBE HE COULD FIND OUT. MAYBE MAYBE I CAN SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A MOTION WHERE? IF IT'S PERMITTED TO BE REMOVED AND ONLY REPORTED THAT WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH THAT, BUT IF IT'S REQUIRED TO BE REMAIN IN THE POLICY THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL DETERMINE THAT SUBSEQUENT TO THIS, I AGREE THAT AS AN AMENDMENT TO MY MOTION. YES. AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT AMENDED MOTION? SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED. CORRECT. IN THIS IT TO ACCORDING TO FDOT FORM 525010 DASH 40 C FROM ITS LAST FORM PAGE, THE CITY MANAGER OR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR MUST REVIEW AND FILL OUT THIS FORM EVERY THREE YEARS AND ENSURE THE NONDISCRIMINATION STATEMENT IS BEING PRECISELY AND LEGALLY BINDING AND FOLLOWED. ALL RIGHT. SO THE FORM WOULD BE THE MAKE OUT THAT WE GIVE THE FDOT EVERY THREE YEARS. BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE POLICY BECAUSE IT'S THE. BUT MIKE. BUT MIKE I, I THE ASSURANCE IS A SEPARATE PAGE AND THEY HAVE A FORM FOR THAT AND IT DOES NOT CONTAIN THE MAKEUP OF THE ETHNICITY OF THE BOARD. SO THAT IS SOMETHING SEPARATE. SO I DON'T KNOW THE ASSURANCES I'VE SEEN 3 OR 4 THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND IT DOES NOT IDENTIFY THAT. AND I'VE SEEN FDOT, THEY HAVE A FORM TEMPLATE THAT WE ARE TO USE, AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ETHNIC MAKEUP OF OUR BOARD. SO I DON'T I'M NOT SURE. SO WHY HAVE WE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE. WE HAVE DONE IT. IT'S IN THE PRIOR ONE. IF YOU LOOK AT IT, WE REPORTED THE PRIOR ONE.IT WAS WE WERE REQUIRED. THAT'S WHAT I WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED. THE POLICY IS. SO HERE'S THE THING.
IMAGINE THIS. YOU GET A POLICY AND IT HAS SEVEN PEOPLE ON THE BOARD, AND ALL SEVEN OF THEM ARE MADE UP OF X, Y AND Z. AND YOU SAY IN YOUR POLICY THIS IS GOING TO BE YOUR BOARD. AND NUMBER FIVE ON THE BOARD MOVES TO ARIZONA AND GETS REAPPOINTED. AND THE REAPPOINTMENT IS AN
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ESKIMO. AND THE ESKIMO ISN'T LISTED IN THE POLICY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ESKIMO ON THE BOARD YESTERDAY. AND NOW WE'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE POLICY BECAUSE THE CAUCASIAN GUY MOVED TO ARIZONA. THAT MAKES SENSE. IT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS THAT IT CAN'T BE. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I'M LOOKING AT THE ONE WE ADOPTED IN 2023. THEY'RE IN THERE. SO I DON'T LOOK I'VE LOOKED AT THE I'VE LOOKED AT COUNTY MARTIN COUNTY. SAINT LUCIE COUNTY THEY HAVE THEM IN THERE. SO TWO YEARS AGO I BROUGHT THAT UP THAT IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO BE IN IN WHAT WE WERE APPROVING THEN. I JUST THINK YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR. I JUST KEPT WHAT WHAT MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT THIS ONE THAT WE DID TWO YEARS AGO, WE NEED TO REFUND ALL THE MONEY FROM ALL THE GRANTS WE GOT, BECAUSE IF ONE PERSON LISTED ON THAT BOARD IS DIFFERENT AND WE DIDN'T UPDATE IT, DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE IN VIOLATION? I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK WHEN WE ADOPTED THE POLICY, THAT WAS THE MAKEUP AT THE TIME, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO UPDATE IT EVERY THREE YEARS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE FEDERAL RULES AND CHANGE TO ANYTHING THE NEXT DAY, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO UPDATE IT UNTIL THREE YEARS. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE HAVE TO UPDATE IT AND DO THE ASSURANCES EVERY THREE YEARS. RIGHT. AND FOLLOW THE POLICIES DO NOW. THAT'S WHY WE'RE PAST DUE. AND IN THE ASSURANCE YOU'RE ASSURING THAT WE HAVE A CITYWIDE POLICY, BUT WE DON'T. WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL PIECEMEAL POLICIES FOR THE ONE FOR THE CRA, ONE FOR THE TRAM.WE DON'T HAVE A CITYWIDE. AND I THINK IN THE ASSURANCE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SIGN ON, BUT WE DO HAVE A CITYWIDE TITLE SIX POLICY. AND THE PERSONNEL POLICY CITY CLERK HAS A PERSONNEL POLICY IS TITLE SEVEN. THAT'S EMPLOYMENT DISCRIMINATION. THIS IS TITLE SIX PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE RESIDENTS AND THE PUBLIC. SO IT'S BOTH OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT. BUT ONE IS TITLE SIX. ONE IS TITLE SEVEN. TITLE SEVEN IS IN THE EMPLOYMENT POLICY BECAUSE THAT DEALS WITH EMPLOYMENT DISCRIMINATION. AND WHY ARE WE SQUIRMING? OKAY. CAN WE JUST WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? THE CITY CLERK HAD SOMETHING TO SAY. I'M SORRY, MAYOR RICH. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE CLERK'S DEPARTMENT DOES REPORT A MINORITY REPORT TO THE STATE EVERY YEAR ANNUALLY IN DECEMBER.
IT'S DUE, SO, I DON'T KNOW. I JUST FIGURED I'D THROW THAT OUT THERE. IT'S AUTOMATIC. WE DO IT ANNUALLY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE IN THIS REPORT AS LONG AS THE STATE HAS THE INFORMATION. RIGHT. OKAY. MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE? I DO NOT OKAY. SO, COMMISSIONER CLERK WE'RE NOW GOING TO FOLLOW ALONG. WHAT THERE'S THE THERE'S A FEDERAL POLICY. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE SQUIRMING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IF WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO CERTAIN THINGS AND WE SHOULD FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT, I HEAR WHAT CITY MANAGER IS SAYING THAT IF SOMEBODY WHAT IF SOMEBODY MOVES AND WE NEED TO FILL THAT POSITION WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S OF THAT SAME CATEGORY SO THAT WE CAN BE IN CONFORMANCE AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE PEOPLE REPRESENTING THAT AREA. I KNOW THAT THERE'S ALL THIS STUFF ABOUT DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION, BUT THE POLICY IS STILL THERE AND I THINK WE NEED TO FOLLOW IT. AND PEOPLE ARE STILL FOLLOWING UP. AND I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. IF WE FIND OUT FROM MR. BAGGETT THAT CERTAIN WORDS OR TABLES ARE NOT NEEDED, FINE. BUT IF IT'S NEEDED, I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RESOLUTION. RESOLUTION NUMBER 62 2025. AND WE DID MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO IT. JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT'S NOT YOUR MOTION, RIGHT? YOUR MOTION.
THAT'S WHAT I SAID. WE DID MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO IT THAT IF MR. BAGGETT SAYS THAT IF WE PLEASE READ THE MOTION, I HAD JUST APPROVED THE RESOLUTION AND THEN IT WAS KIND OF LEFT BETWEEN DISCUSSION. I DON'T KNOW IF MR. BAGGETT FINDS OUT THAT WE DON'T NEED WHAT IS THAT TABLE? WHAT IS THAT SECTION? WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD. IT WOULD BE THE TABLE REFLECTED ON PAGES 26. I'M SORRY, PAGES 12 AND 13 OF THE POLICY, WHERE IT REFERENCES THE TABLES OF THE ETHNIC ETHNICITY OF THE THIS COMMISSION AND ALSO ALL THE ADVISORY BOARDS. WE'RE STRIKING THAT OUT FOR NOW. AND IF HE COMES BACK AND TELLS US THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THERE, THAT WE WILL REVISIT, IT WAS THE NATURE OF THE AMENDED MOTION. I BELIEVE, AND THERE'S A SECOND IS I THINK IT'S WILL YOU CLARIFY YOUR MOTION, PLEASE? WE'RE APPROVING IT. AND THEN IF IT CAN BE STRICKEN, IT WOULD BE STRICKEN. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID. OKAY. WAS WHAT I SAID. SO IF THERE'S CONFUSION, DO WE NEED TO CLARIFY? THERE'S CONFUSION. COMMISSIONER CLARK MADE THE MOTION, SO IT'S GOT TO BE HER YOU NEED. MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 6 TO 2, 2025 AS PRINTED. AND PROVIDING THAT THERE'S A CONDITION THAT IF THE CITY ATTORNEY GOES THROUGH THE
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PAGE THAT HE WENT THROUGH AND SAYS THAT THAT PARTICULAR CHART THAT HAS THE SPECIFIC ETHNICITY DOES NOT NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS NEW, UPDATED CITYWIDE RESOLUTION THAT CAN GO FOR EVERYTHING AT THIS AT THIS THREE YEAR UPDATE POINT, THEN THAT'S FINE. IF IT HAS IF IT IF IT CAN'T BE TAKEN OUT, THEN I GUESS IT'S WHAT'S ACTUALLY HERE. AND IF EVERYBODY'S VOTING ON THAT, THEN IF IT CAN'T BE TAKEN OUT THEN THIS WILL GO FORWARD. MAYBE BY THE TIME THE NEXT TIME SOMETHING COMES UP WE'LL MAKE THE CHANGE. BUT IT'S EITHER IT'S GOING FORWARD WITH THE FACT THAT IF THAT CAN BE TAKEN OUT, THEN IT WILL BE TAKEN OUT AND THE RESOLUTION WILL BE ADOPTED WITH THAT TAKEN OUT. SO I WOULD WITHDRAW MY SECOND BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS BE THE WAY I FRAMED IT. NO, I'M NOT GOING TO AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED YOU MADE YOUR MOTION. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SECOND AT THE MOMENT. WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR MOTION, VICE MAYOR COLLINS AND YOU WAS I THOUGHT THAT MOTION IS. MY MOTION WOULD BE HYPOTHETICALLY, THAT WE APPROVE. FORGIVE ME THAT WE APPROVE. WE APPROVE THIS, OBVIOUSLY, SO WE CAN GET MOVING FORWARD AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THE GRANTS. BUT STRIKING OUT THIS CHART, SINCE WE ALREADY ARE GOING TO BE REPORTING THAT FEDERALLY. AND IF FOR SOME REASON LEE REALLY LOOKS INTO THIS AND SAYS WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CHART FOR SOME REASON, WE COULD REVISIT IT, BUT WE WOULD TAKE THIS CHART OUT OF HERE FOR TODAY AND APPROVE THIS DOCUMENT.ISN'T THAT WHAT COMMISSIONER SAYING? APPROVE THIS AS IT IS. AND THEN IF LEE SORT OF THE OPPOSITE, IF LEE SAYS THAT THAT THIS IS AN YOU KNOW, WE CAN TAKE IT OUT LATER, THEN TAKE IT OUT LATER, I'M SAYING TAKE IT OUT NOW. AND IF LEE SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE ADDED, WE ADD IT. IT'S THE SAME THING. IT'S THE SAME THING. IT'S APPROVING IT. IT'S APPROVING IT AS IT IS. UNLESS I'M AND IT PUTS THE BURDEN, IT WOULD PUT THE BURDEN ON REMOVING IT. RIGHT. SO LEE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK. WELL, IT'S IF YOU APPROVE IT, IT'S NOT THE SAME IN THE VICE MAYOR'S MIND BECAUSE HE'S NOT WILLING TO SECOND IT. SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SECOND.
TO ME IT'S THE SAME THING, DIFFERENT PATHS. WHAT WOULD YOU ARE YOU WILLING TO SECOND COMMISSIONER CLARK'S MOTION? I HAVE NO PROBLEM SECONDING IT. BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT NECESSARY, LEE'S GOING TO REMOVE IT. WHETHER HE REMOVES IT TONIGHT OR. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
VICE MAYOR OKAY, SO WE HAVE WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. WE HAVE A SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER REED. I'M GOING TO CONSIDER THIS A NEW MOTION BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES. SO WE HAVE TO. IS THERE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS, MADAM CLERK? I HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT. SO NOW, ARE THERE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER REED. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND VICE MAYOR COLLINS, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE REMOVE IT TONIGHT AND IT'S COMPLETELY REMOVED, NEVER HAS TO COME BACK. RIGHT. BUT IT MIGHT HAVE TO COME BACK ANYWAY TO RE-ADD IT ANYWAY. SO AND THAT MIGHT MESS WITH THE GRANT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION, THAT WOULD NOT CREATE AN ISSUE WITH THE GRANT BY REMOVING THIS, SINCE WE ALREADY REPORT FEDERALLY, WE'RE JUST TAKING THIS OUT OF OUR TITLE NINE POLICY, HAVING TO REPORT THE RACE AND ETHNICITY OF ALL OF THESE BOARD MEMBERS, SINCE IT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARY. AND IF LEE DOES GO AND HE'S GETTING IN THE WEEDS AND SAYS, YEAH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT CHART REALLY NEEDS TO BE IN THERE. WE TALKED TO WHOEVER AND THEY THEY WANT THAT IN THERE. THEN WE WOULD RE INCLUDE IT. COMMISSIONER CLARK'S MOTION IS TO LEAVE THIS AS IT IS. AND THEN IF LEE'S IN THE FUTURE SAYS THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN, IT WOULD BE MUCH LESS LIKELY THAT HE WOULD SAY, YOU'RE CREATING THE BURDEN THEN ON HIM TO SAY IT NEEDED TO BE REMOVED VERSUS REMOVING IT AND SAYING IT REALLY NEEDED TO BE ADDED LATER. LEE, YOU GOT ANY COMMENT ON IT? I MEAN, IS IT IT SEEMS THE DISTINCTION IS CLEAR TO ME. YEAH. UNDER COMMISSIONER CLARK'S MOTION, I'M LEAVING IT IN FOR NOW. BUT IF I DETERMINE AFTER TONIGHT'S MEETING THAT IT NEEDS TO REMAIN IN THAT YOU'RE GIVING US THE STAFF TO DISCRETION TO PUT IT, TO LEAVE IT IN, TAKE IT OUT THEN. NO, NO, YOU'RE THE MOTION IS IF IT CAN BE REMOVED WITHOUT AFFECTING THE GRANT, THAT WE CAN REMOVE IT AND REPORT IT SOME OTHER WAY VERSUS COMMISSIONER COLLINS. HE WANTS IT REMOVED NOW. AND IF I DETERMINE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE POLICY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING IT BACK ON ANOTHER FUTURE AGENDA TO READDRESS, GOING TO MESS WITH THE GRANT PROCESS, DOING IT THAT WAY. SO NO, IF THAT WE'RE ALREADY LATE POTENTIALLY. YES. YEAH. AND I DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH THE GRANT PROCESS ON THAT PERSONALLY. I MEAN, KEVIN, YOU MIGHT KNOW MORE. YOU ALREADY
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STATED THAT WE'RE ALREADY PAST IT. IS IT GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL IF WE WAIT TILL THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING IN JULY? IT'S ALSO GOING TO INTERFERE WITH THE GRANT PROCESS. YOU TRY TO REMOVE TO BE SUBMITTED. WILL YOU SEEK TO BE RECOGNIZED? HE'S MADE AN INQUIRY OF STAFF HERE.COULD WE HAVE AN ANSWER? WELL, I PUSHED IT BACK A LITTLE BIT. OBVIOUSLY I LET THEM KNOW I IT'S IN LEGAL'S HANDS BECAUSE IT WAS BACK AND FORTH AND IT WAS IN LEGAL. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW, SO I'VE BEEN PUSHING IT BACK WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE DEPARTMENT.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER I CAN DO THAT FOR. AND WE HAVEN'T SUBMITTED IT YET.
CORRECT. NO, NOT THAT UPDATED. WHEN WAS THE ACTUAL DEADLINE? IT WAS MAY. IT WAS MAY. SO YEAH.
ALL RIGHT. I MEAN YEAH, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE A POLICY. WE HAVE A POLICY. BUT THERE'S THIS INSURANCE FORM THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLETE. AND IT'S EVERY THREE YEARS. THE LAST TIME IT WAS DONE EITHER WAY IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE REMOVED OR IT'S WELL, THERE'S NO WAY THAT. CAN I SPEAK. YEAH.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU SUBMIT THIS AND THEN REMOVE AND THEN REMOVE IT. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ONCE IT'S IN. IT'S IN. I MEAN, IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? LEE. THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT OUT AFTER YOU'VE SUBMITTED IT TO THE FOR THE GRANT APPLICATION. SO THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO REMOVE IT. AND THEN IF LEE REALLY SAYS THAT IT'S AN ISSUE, THEN WE WOULD. DO YOU THINK YOU COULD HAVE IT. LET ME LET ME JUST LET ME JUST EXPLAIN. THE POLICY IS THE POLICY. THIS WOULD BE THIS. WHAT'S BEFORE YOU IS THE POLICY. THIS POLICY IS CURRENTLY ON OUR WEBSITE WITH A TRAM. ONE IS AND WE ARE ADDING WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS POLICY WHICH IS MORE EXPANSIVE THAN THE TRANSIT POLICY. AND THE POLICY IDENTIFIES ON IT WILL PUT IT ON OUR WEBSITE JUST LIKE THE CURRENT ONE IS, AND THE CURRENT ONE IDENTIFIES THE ADVISORY BOARDS AS A COUPLE YEARS AGO WITH THEIR ETHNICITY AND THEIR PHONE NUMBERS AND EMAIL ADDRESSES. JUST THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS ALREADY WE ALREADY HAVE ON THE WEBSITE. AND WHAT'S DUE OR WHAT WAS DUE IN MAY IS A IT'S CALLED AN ASSURANCE FORM THAT THE CITY MANAGER SIGNS, AND IT'S AN ASSURANCE THAT WE HAVE A POLICY, A TITLE SIX POLICY IN PLACE. AND THERE'S ALL THESE PARAMETERS WITH, WITH, WITH THE FEDS ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE IS THAT ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER SHEET GET SUBMITTED WITH THE GRANT THEN. NO. GOTCHA. IT'S OUR POLICY WHICH WILL BE POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE JUST LIKE IT IS CURRENTLY. SO DO YOU THINK WHAT WHAT GETS SENT TO FDOT IS A ONE PAGE, MAYBE TWO PAGE ASSURANCE FORM, AND IT'S GOT MULTIPLE PARAGRAPHS. MR. MARTEL JUST PULLED UP AN EXAMPLE AND SHOWED ME OF SOMEONE ELSE'S. AND WE'VE DONE I'VE, I'VE, I'VE PULLED 2 OR 3 PRIOR ONES THAT WE'VE DONE HERE AND IT'S ONE PAGE. I THINK THE LAST ONE I SAW WAS DAVID DIAS DID IT. AND THE CITY MANAGER ASSURES THAT WE'VE HIT ALL THE HIGHLIGHTS AND WE HAVE MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF A TITLE SIX POLICY UNDER THE FEDERAL RULES. SO DO YOU THINK IF THERE WAS A MOTION WITH A DATE CERTAIN OF JULY 14TH, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND BRING IT BACK TO US, RIGHT. WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR CURRENTLY IN A SECOND, SO LET'S GET THROUGH THAT. IF IT FAILS, THEN WE CAN ENTERTAIN AN ADDITIONAL MOTION. BUT I'M JUST I'M ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS WHILE THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE. I WOULD SAY WE WOULD KNOW BY JULY 14TH. SURE.
PERFECT. OKAY, SO I WOULD RATHER SUPPORT THAT MOTION THEN THAN THE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE TABLE. ARE YOU WITHDRAWING YOUR SECOND? CORRECT. WELL. SO WE STILL HAVE COMMISSIONER CLARK'S MOTION OUT THERE. IS THERE ANY SECOND? OKAY. SEEING NONE, THE MOTION FAILS. AS AN ADDITIONAL MOTION WITH REGARD TO THIS AGENDA ITEM. SO THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE STRIKE THIS CHART OUT FOR NOW. AND THEN HOW WOULD WE, IF WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT WITH THE NEXT MEETING IN JULY? YOU WOULD HAVE UNTIL THEN TO DETERMINE IF IT'S REQUIRED TO LET US KNOW.
YEAH. I WASN'T EXPECTING THIS ISSUE TO COME UP, SO I DRAFTED IT BASED ON WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY HAD. AND I'VE LOOKED AT ALL THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AROUND THIS AND THEY HAVE IT. SO I LISTED IT IN THE POLICY JUST LIKE WE HAVE. SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO RESEARCH IT AND GET BACK TO YOU ON IT. BUT IF MY RECOLLECTION IT'S GOT TO WE'VE I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARILY REPORTING AS IS. IT'S REQUIRED TO BE IN OUR POLICY, BUT I'M NOT SURE ON THAT BECAUSE I WASN'T EXPECTING THIS ISSUE TO COME UP LIKE THIS. SO I DON'T KNOW. BUT I DON'T THINK IT WILL TAKE ME LONG TO DETERMINE AN ANSWER FOR IT. I COULD PROBABLY FIGURE IT OUT
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WITHIN A DAY OR TWO. OKAY, SO THEN I WOULD MOTION THAT WE REMOVE THIS CHART, AND THEN YOU CAN LET US KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEND THIS TO SEND ANYTHING. AGAIN. WE'RE NOT SENDING THIS POLICY ANYWHERE WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR POLICY. CORRECT. WHAT WHAT IS SENT IS NOT BEFORE YOU. EXACTLY. WHAT IS SENT IS SENT BY THE CITY MANAGER. AND IT'S ASSURANCE TO FDOT THAT WE HAVE A TITLE SIX POLICY AND HAVE A TITLE SIX POLICY. THE FEDS HAVE PARAMETERS AND CRITERIA.AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE REPORTING NEEDS TO BE IN IT, OR IT COULD BE JUST REPORTED SEPARATELY, LIKE THE CITY CLERK. JUST TO JUST TO REITERATE WITHIN THE MOTION OF WHY IS THIS CHART DOESN'T MAKE SENSE? IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS IN HERE, TO HAVE THE ETHNICITY OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT BOARD MEMBERS FEATURED WITHIN OUR POLICY. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE REPORTED SEPARATELY. BECAUSE THIS IS DONE EVERY THREE YEARS ANYWAY. AND TO CITY MANAGER'S POINT, THIS IS ALWAYS THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ACCURATE NO MATTER WHAT. THIS CHART SHOULD NOT BE IN HERE. SO I WOULD MOVE THAT. WE REMOVE THIS CURRENTLY FROM THIS POLICY. TONIGHT. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. SO IT'S SPECIFICALLY ITEM NINE ON PAGE 25 OF 72. IS THAT CORRECT. ON PAGE 26 AND 27 IT IS THE CHART OKAY. BUT IT'S UNDER ITEM NINE.
CORRECT MR. BHAGAT? YES. IT'S SECTION NINE ON PAGE 11. OKAY. AND IT'S THE CHART. OKAY. AND IF YOU'LL SEE IN SECTION NINE IT REFERENCES AN FTA CIRCULAR 4702.1 B, WHICH PROBABLY HAS THE ANSWER. I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. JOB CLARIFICATION. I'M NOT ASKING TO REMOVE NUMBER NINE, JUST THE CHART. I JUST SAID IT'S UNDER NUMBER. IT'S IN SECTION. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. YES. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? I'M NOT SURE THE PUBLIC CAN RESPOND THIS QUICKLY. SEEING NONE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER JOB, AFTER THIS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY AND IT'S NOT ON THIS SUBJECT. SO NO COMMENT. NOT RIGHT NOW ON THIS ISSUE. MOTION, MOTION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I JUST HAVE. I HOPE WE ARE NOT PUTTING THIS FUNDING AT RISK, THIS SUBSTANTIAL FUNDING THAT CAN BENEFIT THE CITY BECAUSE OF THE PRESENCE OF A CENSUS TABLE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. I SEE THESE ALL THE TIME AND WE'RE NOT FORCED TO ADHERE TO RACIAL REQUIREMENTS OR ETHNIC REQUIREMENTS. IT'S MERELY A CENSUS. AND THESE EXIST ALL THROUGH GOVERNMENT AT ALL DIFFERENT STAGES. AND I HOPE WE'RE NOT MAKING A VERY EXPENSIVE ERROR HERE BY DELAYING IT. BUT SEE NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ROLL CALL PLEASE. VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. NO. MAYOR. RICH. NO. COMMISSIONER. YES, COMMISSIONER.
READ. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. BAGGETT, WILL YOU READ ITEM FOUR FOR CONSIDERATION, PLEASE? SURE.
[4. APPOINTMENT OF BDB REPRESENTATIVE (RC): RESOLUTION No. 55-2025; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE APPOINTMENT OF A REPRESENTATIVE TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD (BDB) OF MARTIN COUNTY, INC. FOR A TWO-YEAR TERM; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
RESOLUTION NUMBER FIVE FIVE DASH 2025, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE APPOINTMENT OF A REPRESENTATIVE TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD, ALSO KNOWN AS BDB OF MARTIN COUNTY, INC, FOR A22 YEAR TERM, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. AND I KNOW THAT THE BOARD IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS ISSUE, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS, THESE MEETINGS ON OUR AGENDAS AND PEOPLE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THEM, I JUST WANT TO GIVE A BRIEF BACKGROUND SO THAT IF SOMEBODY DOES WATCH THIS, THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE WHERE WE ARE. THE CITY OF STUART HAS HISTORICALLY APPOINTED A CITY COMMISSIONER TO SERVE AS A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CITY ON THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD OF MARTIN COUNTY. LAST YEAR. A COUNTY COMMISSIONER ALSO HAS A POSITION SIMILAR FELT THAT THERE WAS A CONFLICT BECAUSE OF SUNSHINE VIOLATIONS, WITH HIM GOING ON A TOUR WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND DIDN'T WANT TO VIOLATE SUNSHINE, AND THE COUNTY ADOPTED A POLICY THAT THEY WOULD APPOINT A LIAISON TO REPRESENT THE COUNTY, AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER WOULD STILL ATTEND THE MEETINGS, BUT BE A NON-VOTING MEMBER. BETWEEN LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR, THE BDB AMENDED ITS BYLAWS AND ADOPTED THE COUNTY'S PROCEDURE AND POLICY. THE CITY OF STUART HAD ALREADY APPOINTED COMMISSIONER JOB TO SERVE AS OUR REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS BOARD, AND SHE WAS SERVING AS A REPRESENTATIVE. SHE BROUGHT IT BACK TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE NEED TO APPOINT A LIAISON. I THEN ASKED THE COMMISSION TO PROVIDE ME WITH NAMES OF PEOPLE INTERESTED IN SERVING. WE'VE RUN OUR CURRENT VOLUNTEER THROUGH THE WRINGER ON IT BECAUSE EVERY TIME HE SUBMITTED, WE SAID, OH WAIT, WE FORGOT TO TELL YOU[01:35:05]
ANOTHER REGULATION. BUT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, WE PROVIDED ALL THE REGULATIONS. HE FILLED OUT THE FORM AND HE HAS SUBMITTED IT. AND THIS IS TO HAVE A VOTING MEMBER OF FOR THE CITY OF STUART SERVING ON THE BDB BOARD. AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE COMMISSION IS DOING TODAY IS AS A WHOLE, THE CITY COMMISSION IS APPOINTING THE MEMBER OF THE BTB BOARD. THE IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT I UNDERSTAND TO BE THE BDB'S NEW OR WHATEVER POLICY. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE CALLING IT NEW, BUT AMENDMENT TO THE BYLAWS AND WYATT KNIGHT SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION WHEN THE COMMISSION.PUT THE NAMES OUT. AND IT WAS ALSO THE NAME THAT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED BY COMMISSIONER JOB.
AND AS A RESULT, MR. KNIGHT'S BEEN PRESENTED HERE TO THE BOARD TONIGHT FOR NOT JUST RATIFICATION BUT APPOINTMENT BY THE BOARD, BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE, THIS ISN'T THE INDIVIDUAL BDB'S APPOINTEES APPOINTMENT. IT'S ACTUALLY A TOTAL BOARD APPOINTMENT. MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT RESOLUTION 55 DASH 2025 FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF A REPRESENTATIVE TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS ON THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD OF MARTIN COUNTY FOR A TWO YEAR TERM, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JOB AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? MADAM CLERK? SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER READ. DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR QUESTION ON THIS ITEM? I JUST I JUST WANT TO CLARIFICATION. SO I KNOW WE HAVE SOME BOARDS AND I BELIEVE YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. MIKE. SOME OF THE AT LARGE SEATS CARRY TWO YEAR TERMS, SO THE TWO YEAR TERM IS A BDB BYLAW. ALL OUR RESOLUTION IS AUTHORIZING THAT, THAT WYATT HAS THE ABILITY TO SERVE THE TWO YEAR TERM. YOU'RE TECHNICALLY NOT APPOINTING HIM. HE'S JUST CONFIRMING THAT HE'S ELIGIBLE TO SERVE FOR TWO YEARS. THE CITY HAS A REORG MEETING EVERY DECEMBER. UNDER OUR BYLAWS, WE WOULD NORMALLY ANNUALIZE IT, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, WE WOULDN'T. WELL, YOU I MEAN, IF YOU COULD, BUT STATISTICALLY IT WOULD BE A LONG SHOT. OKAY. THAT WAS THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION THEN IF IT WAS A ONE YEAR TERM OR SO UNDER UNDER THE CITY'S REORG POLICIES AND POLICIES, IT WOULD STILL BE READDRESSED IN DECEMBER WHEN WE DO THE REORG. BUT UNDER THE BYLAWS FOR THE BDB, WHY IT IS SAYING THAT HE IS ABLE TO SERVE A TWO YEAR TERM. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. JUST TO MAKE IT MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT NEEDS TO BE.
WELL, IT'S TWO YEARS AND THEN OUR POLICIES ONE YEAR, RIGHT? I KNOW IT'S JUST OUR AND IT'S BEEN A NIGHTMARE. LIKE THERE WAS SOME SEATS THOUGH WHERE IT WAS TWO YEAR TERMS AND THE CITY WHEN IT WAS LIKE AN OUTLAW. AND SO THE AT LARGE IS WERE REALLY UNLIMITED TERMS BECAUSE THEY NEVER COME BACK UP, BECAUSE HOW WOULD THEY COME UP FOR THEY JUST AUTOMATICALLY GO ON THE RENEWAL.
AND THEN THEY, THEY BECAME TERM LIMITED OUT. NOW AT EIGHT YEARS WHEN I AMENDED THE RULES RECENTLY, THIS PAST YEAR, WE ADDED ONE YEAR TERMS ON ALL OF THEM SO THAT CONFORM. RIGHT.
GOTCHA. OKAY. BECAUSE WE STILL DO THE REORG MEETING EVERY YEAR ANYWAY. IS THIS INDIVIDUAL SUBJECT TO THE ONE YEAR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY? I MEAN, SO WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY OR BYLAWS AS IT RELATES TO THE BDB. SO THE BDB IS SIX MONTHS AND HE IS QUALIFIED UNDER THAT, BUT NOT JUST INDIVIDUALS NOT LIVED IN THIS AREA. YOU'D HAVE TO ASK HIM. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DETAILS OF WHEN HE IS THE APPLICANT HERE. YES. MR. COULD YOU APPROACH THE LECTERN, PLEASE? GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING SIR.
COULD YOU JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF? WHY? AT NIGHT AND YOUR ADDRESS AND YOURS? 514 SOUTHWEST CALIFORNIA AVE. AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED IN THE CITY OF STEWART? STEWART'S BEEN MY HOME AWAY FROM HOME FOR 13 YEARS. AND I MOVED HERE FULL TIME LAST YEAR. OKAY. AND DO YOU HAVE A BUSINESS? DO YOU OWN A BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF STEWART? YES, SIR. AND WHAT BUSINESS IS THAT? JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, W KNIGHT VENTURES, LLC. IT'S A CONSULTING FIRM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT. WHAT DO YOU DO? SO I DO BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CONSULTING. THAT'S PERFECT. YEAH. ANY MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT? CLIENTS EXPERIENCE. WERE YOU NOT ALL PROVIDED THE
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INFORMATION JUST FROM US? I DON'T KNOW, OKAY, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS PROVIDED TO EVERYONE. SO I WORK WITH NONPROFITS, SOME REAL ESTATE COMPANIES, AND I'VE ALSO BEEN COACHING AND TEACHING AT MARTIN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL AS WELL, TO GET INVOLVED IN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM. IS THAT A CHANCE TO KIND OF TALK? IS THAT A PAID POSITION WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM? YES, SIR. OKAY, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU WYATT. THANKS, WYATT.THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL PLEASE.
MADAM CLERK. COMMISSIONER. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. YES, COMMISSIONER. READ. YES, MAYOR.
YES. VICE. MAYOR. COLLINS. YES. I'D LIKE TO JUST LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK WYATT FOR VOLUNTEERING HIS TIME FOR THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. WYATT. WYATT. THANK YOU. READ. ITEM.
[5. AUTHORIZING USES FOR THE HALF-CENT SALES SURTAX / PARK INVENTORY (RC): RESOLUTION No. 57-2025; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE TO PURSUE QUALIFYING FIXED CAPITAL EXPENDITURES AND OUTLAY PROJECTS UTILIZING PROCEEDS FROM THE HALF-CENT INFRASTRUCTURE SALES SURTAX APPROVED BY THE VOTERS OF MARTIN COUNTY IN THE 2024 GENERAL ELECTION; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
ANOTHER ITEM. NUMBER FIVE, CONSIDERATION. RESOLUTION. NUMBER 57. DASH 2025, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER, OR DESIGNEE, TO PURSUE QUALIFYING FIXED CAPITAL EXPENDITURES AND OUTLAY PROJECTS UTILIZING PROCEEDS FROM THE HALF CENT INFRASTRUCTURE SALES SURTAX APPROVED BY THE VOTERS OF MARTIN COUNTY IN 2000. IN THE 2024 GENERAL ELECTION, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES, I'M GOING TO HANDLE THIS ONE AS WELL. IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD A DAD ON THIS HALF CENT SALES TAX, AND I WAS LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD AS TO WHAT PROJECTS THEY THOUGHT WOULD BE RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT TO THE CITY. AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS WAS EVEN THE TREE PROGRAM THAT MR. SHEARER BROUGHT UP TONIGHT. AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS STAFF. AND I ACTUALLY IS TO ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION, WHICH WOULD AUTHORIZE US TO GO FORWARD. BUT BEFORE WE ADOPT IT, I'M ALSO HAVE A COMBINATION WITH MR. TROTSKY, BECAUSE ALSO WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TREE PROGRAM, THE BOARD ASKED FOR KIND OF LIKE A PARKS INVENTORY, I THINK IS WAS WAS KIND OF A COMMENT ON IT. AND SO JIM HAS GONE AHEAD AND PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION THAT HE WILL PROVIDE HERE, PARKS AND GREEN SPACE. BUT BEFORE HE DOES, THE PURPOSE FOR THE RESOLUTION WAS TO AUTHORIZE ME TO THEN START GOING FORWARD AND ACTUALLY APPLYING FOR OR PUTTING A PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT OR APPLYING FOR MATCHING GRANTS. BUT IF THE RESOLUTION SAID SPECIFICALLY, THE CITY OF STUART IS AUTHORIZED TO SPEND $600,000 DREDGING FRAZIER CREEK, THEN I COULDN'T APPLY FOR A GRANT TO MATCH TO DO FRAZIER CREEK BECAUSE FDP OR DEP WOULD DEDICATE IT IS ALREADY FUNDED, AND AS A RESULT IT WOULD CAUSE ANY GRANT APPLICATIONS TO FAIL.WHEREAS BY AUTHORIZING ME TO MOVE FORWARD ON STUFF, I CAN GIVE STAFF THE AUTHORITY TO PUT TOGETHER A GRANT APPLICATION OR TO PUT TOGETHER THE PROGRAMING TO HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST TO DO THAT FOR THE DREDGING OF THE CREEK. AND THEN I WOULD BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION TO AUTHORIZE THE MATCHING GRANT TO THE 50 OVER 50 GRANT, OR I COULD GO GET A PIECE OF PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT AND COME TO THE COMMISSION WITH THE CONTRACT ALREADY SIGNED WITH A DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD OF 75 DAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BECAUSE IF I BRING IT UP ON THE BOARD AND I SAY, HEY, I'D LIKE TO BUY PARCEL X, AND THE COMMISSION SAYS, YEAH, NEXT WEEK YOU SHOULD GO PUT THAT UNDER CONTRACT. IT HAS THIS INFLATIONARY EFFECT THAT AS SOON AS THE OWNER HEARS WE'RE INTERESTED, IT DOUBLES IN VALUE. SO THIS WAY WE WOULD IT'S NOT AUTHORIZED IN THE CITY TO ACTUALLY SPEND ANY MONEY OR TAKE ANY ACTION. IT'S JUST AUTHORIZING STAFF TO ACT BASED UPON THE COMMENTS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS GAVE US UNDER THE D AND D, TO MOVE FORWARD, TO TRY AND PUT SOME PROGRAMING TOGETHER WITH THE SALES TAX MONEY. AFTER THE PRESENTATION FROM MR. CHARLES IS OVER, IF THE BOARD WANTS IT TO BE SPECIFIC ITEMS, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS IT THAT WAY AS WELL. JIM, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE IT FROM HERE? JIM KOWALSKI, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD, WHEN THE CITY MANAGER ASKED ME TO EVALUATE THE PARKS, I THOUGHT IT WAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA, BECAUSE THE LAST TIME WE REALLY TOOK A REAL HARD LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY OF STUART, WE WERE PRETTY MUCH UNDER COLOR PENCILS AND ETCH A SKETCH, SO WE WERE ABLE TO REALLY FINE TUNE THIS THING, WHAT I CALL TO BE PRE-DIGITAL OR PD ERA. I WORKED WITH EZEKIEL CRUZ, AND HE WAS ABLE TO DELINEATE ALL OF THE GREEN SPACE THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY OF STUART. THIS IS A VERY, VERY BIG SLIDE, BUT IT GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY AND WHERE
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ALL OF OUR GREEN SPACE IS CURRENTLY EXISTS. I DIVIDED THIS UP INTO TWO HALVES, WHICH IS A NORTHERN HALF WHICH INCLUDES HANEY CREEK. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A VERY BIG PRESERVE AREA.AND THEN ALSO OUR SOUTHERN HALF, WHICH WE HAVE A LOT OF CITY POCKET PARKS AS WELL AS SOME OF THE PARKS THAT WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH, WITH MEMORIAL PARK AND GUY DAVIS PARK AND FLAGLER PARK, SHEPHERD PARK. AND AS WE LOOKED AT THIS, WE PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PARKS AND THEIR ADDRESSES. I THINK WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT WHEN WE FIRST WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS PARK AND WE HAD THE ORIGINAL INFORMATION, WHICH I WANTED YOU TO KNOW, THAT MILTON WAS VERY HELPFUL WITH PROVIDING SOME OF THIS HISTORICAL DATA THAT WE HAD HERE. WE ACTUALLY INDICATED THAT WE HAD MORE PARKS THAN WE TYPICALLY DO, THAN WE THAN WE ACTUALLY DO, AS A MATTER OF FACT, 41 ACRES. SO WHEN WE REALLY TOOK A HARD LOOK AT THIS THING AND WE JUST KIND OF CLICKED ON EVERY PARCEL, WE CAME UP WITH 203 TOTAL ACRES, WHICH WAS ABOUT, LIKE I SAID, 41 ACRES LESS THAN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD. SO WE'VE COME A LONG WAY SINCE THE ETCH A SKETCH DAYS. WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, WE WERE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WAS REQUIRED IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THAT WE ARE TO HAVE THREE ACRES OF DEVELOPED PARKLAND PER 1000 RESIDENTS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE AT THIS POINT THAT IT'S IMPROVED AREAS SUCH AS PICNIC FACILITIES, RESTROOMS, AND PLAY COURTS, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTRAST THIS WITH OUR TOTAL GREEN SPACE, WHICH INCLUDES CONSERVATION AREA AS WELL AS WHAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS OUR. OUR ALL OUR OUR TOTAL LAND THAT WE CONSIDER TO BE REALLY OUR PARKS. SO IF WE LOOK AT ALL OF OUR PARKS THAT ARE INDICATED RIGHT HERE, ALL OF THESE 203 ACRES. EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS SET BEFORE BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY ABOUT 134 ACRES. SO THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE NEARLY THREE TIMES THE REQUIRED PARK LAND SET BEFORE US ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE LOOK AT THE ENTIRE AREA, WHICH IS OUR TOTAL GREEN SPACE, WHICH IS EVERY BIT OF THIS MAP. AND WE ADD ALL OF THAT TOGETHER. OUR TOTAL GREEN SPACE IS MORE THAN TEN TIMES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS OBJECTIVE.
SO BY LOOKING AT THIS, WE TOOK OUR INVENTORY OF WHAT WE HAVE INSIDE OF ALL OF OUR PARKS. AND WE PUT LITTLE DOTS ON HERE SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF AN AMENITY PACKAGE THAT EACH PARK HAS. SOME OF THESE ARE POCKET PARKS THAT DON'T HAVE VERY MANY THINGS, AND SOME OF THEM HAVE AN AWFUL LOT. AND AS WE KNOW, OUR GUY DAVIS SPORTS COMPLEX WILL PROBABLY HAVE MORE DOTS IN THIS CHART CHECKED AS SOON AS WE FINISH THE PARK ITSELF. OUR MAJOR PARK IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. WHEN WE GO TO FUND THESE THINGS, TYPICALLY OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE DONE IT THROUGH OUR CIP PLAN. BUT BUT I'LL TELL YOU, WE SET ASIDE MONEY FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS, AND MILTON HAS IT IN HIS BUDGET TO REPLACE SOME PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. WE REPLACED SHEPHERD PARK PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND JUST RECENTLY FLAGLER PARK PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. AND WE GO THROUGH THIS ENTIRE SYSTEM. BUT TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WE HAVE THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WILL COME TO US LIKE KIWANIS, AND THEY'LL SAY, WE'VE RAISED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND CITY, WILL YOU MATCH IT FOR US? AND I THINK A PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE TRACK CLUB. THEY CAME OVER TO US AND THEY SAID, HEY, WE'VE GOT SOME MONEY HERE, KIND OF GET YOUR ATTENTION, BECAUSE IN THAT WAY YOU'RE SORT OF MATCHING THE CITY DOLLARS. SO WITH THIS, THIS TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR MEMORIAL PHASE. AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE'RE FINISHING UP ON OUR MEMORIAL PHASE WITH THE WE HAD FOUR PHASES WITH THIS, AND WE'RE FINISHING UP WITH THE AMPHITHEATER, WHICH IS DUE IN JUNE OF 2027. OUR GUY DAVIS, OOPS, SORRY. OUR GUY DAVIS PARK IS. BEING PLANNED AND YOU'LL BE VOTING ON THAT SOON. KIWANIS PARK IS APPROXIMATELY 98% COMPLETE. WHEN I LOOK AT THAT PARK, I REALLY CAN'T EVEN SEE WHAT ELSE YOU CAN PUT IN THERE.
BUT THERE'S PROBABLY SOME PIP PORN PLACE, THINGS THAT WE CAN MAKE IT SOFTER FOR THE CHILDREN AND A FEW THINGS. FLAGLER PARK WAS DEVELOPED WITH FIRDAPSE GRANTS, SAILFISH BALL FIELDS. WE PUT ABOUT 120 $325,000 IN OVERALL, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IT'S $45,200 IN ANNUAL
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MAINTENANCE FEES. SMITH PARK TURNER PARK, WHICH WE DEDICATED THAT A WHILE BACK. I REMEMBER DOING THAT RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY PERSONALLY. SHEPHERD PARK WAS DEVELOPED WITH FIRDAPSE GRANTS. MARTIN LUTHER KING PARK IS COMPLETE. POPPLETON CREEK DOG PARK HAS A PLAYGROUND AND WATER RESTORATION ELEMENT TO IT. GAZEBO AT COURTHOUSE PARK IS COMPLETE AND WE ALSO HAVE HANEY CREEK WATERSHED PRESERVE AREA. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT HANEY CREEK IS A HUGE AREA, AND WE HAVE A PARK AREA AND A PRESERVE AREA WITHIN HANEY CREEK. SO WITH THIS, I THINK THE CITY MANAGER PUT IT UP PRETTY SUCCINCTLY THAT HE WOULD LIKE SOME LATITUDE OF BEING ABLE TO USE THE HALF CENT SALES TAX FOR VARIOUS PURPOSES. NOT ALL PARKS, OF COURSE, BUT PARKS AND STORM WATERS AND WHATEVER ELSE HE HAS PRIORITIZED. YOUR SLIDE IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S OURS ABOUT THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE ON THE BALL FIELDS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT 42 GRAND, IT'S ABOUT 250 TO 275. I THINK THAT'S A MAINTENANCE COST WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT NOT TALKING ABOUT THE MOWING EXPENSE, NOT CALLING THE ELECTRICITY. I MEAN, JUST THE ELECTRICITY COST. HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS. OKAY. I BROKE THAT OUT. I BROKE THAT OUT A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICALLY, 325,000 ANNUAL MAINTENANCE. THAT'S THAT THAT'S A SCRIVENER'S ERROR. AND IT WAS CORRECTED ON THIS SLIDE. OKAY. WELL, I THINK THE WHAT YOU SHOWED SEE IT LOOKS IT'S 325 THAT WAS INVESTED IN $45,200 WHICH IS ANNUAL MAINTENANCE. NO, I KNOW WHEN THE $325,000 IN TALKING TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AS WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ALWAYS EVER AS HIGH AS 300, BUT IT'S BEEN 250 TO 300 FOR THE ELECTRIC BILL, FOR THE LIGHTS, FOR THE INSURANCE, FOR THE PROPERTY, FOR THE COVERING OF THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PARKING LOT AND THE CONCESSION STAND, REPAIRS AND ALL THE STUFF TIED IN TOGETHER. THE $45,000, I THINK, IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE TIED TO SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE FIELD OR RESTRIPING AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON THE ANNUAL OR WHATEVER THAT NUMBERS COME FROM. BUT AS SOON AS I SAW IT, I ACTUALLY STARTED TO WRITE A EMAIL TO THE FINANCE DIRECTOR TO, WELL, FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S WELL OVER 200 A YEAR. I JUST WANT TO CLEAR THAT UP BECAUSE IT'S THE BALL FIELDS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN, BUT THEY HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF ATTRACTION. SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF OF MR. TROTSKY OR MR. I HAVE A QUESTION. HOW WOULD WE PRIORITIZE ANY STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROJECTS? BECAUSE I KNOW, YOU KNOW, MIKE AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT ONE ON CHANNEL AVENUE AND SIXTH STREET. I BELIEVE THE RESIDENTS HERE AS WELL. IT'S HOW DO WE TACKLE THEM I GUESS. WELL, SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS I CAN BRING THEM BACK TO YOU. BUT WE DO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT LIST, THE SIXTH STREET STORMWATER IS IN PLACE.WE DID IT FIVE YEARS AGO. THE EMAIL I SENT TO YOU AND DOCTOR GRIFFITH SHOWED THAT THE DRAINS ARE LITERALLY RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS DRIVEWAY. SO IT WOULD BE LIKE UNLIKELY THAT THE CITY WOULD PRIORITIZE CHANNEL AVENUE TO BE DONE AGAIN BEFORE ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD, SINCE THEY WERE ALREADY PRIORITIZED TO BE DONE LIKE 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO. NOW, THERE'S THE WAY THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS LOCATED NEAR US. ONE THERE. WHAT HAPPENS IS THE WATER. SIXTH STREET IS IT FLOWS FROM US, ONE FLOWS TOWARD THE CREEK, AND THE WATER LITERALLY FLOWS DOWN TOWARD HIS PROPERTY AND COMES OFF OF THAT VACANT PROPERTY AND DOESN'T GET TO THE STORMWATER DRAIN, BUT INSTEAD GOES ONTO HIS PROPERTY. HOWEVER, WHEN WE IDENTIFY THE STORMWATER PROJECTS THAT MAY BE ADDRESSED IN HERE, THE COMMISSION ITSELF CAN PRIORITIZE THOSE AND LIST THEM IN THE ORDER YOU WANT TO DO THEM AND HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO. AND I IN THAT EMAIL I SENT TO YOU AND TO THE RESIDENT, I SAID I WOULD INCLUDE THAT ONE NO MATTER WHAT. AND I DO THINK FOR YOUR GUYS'S CONSIDERATION, I THINK THE CITY HAS MUCH BETTER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT THAN OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH OF US. OH YEAH, WHEN IT COMES TO FLOODING, MIKE AND I HAVE SPOKE ABOUT IT. I MEAN, I SEE THAT WATER SHEATHING THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S THICK, BUT AT LEAST IT DOES FLOW AND DRAIN AND IT COMES DOWN HEAVY SOMETIMES WITH RAIN. WE'RE ALSO LUCKY THAT WE'RE ON LIKE A SAND BLUFF. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE IN A BOAT, RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
AND I GUESS WHEN THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT COMES BACK, I DON'T KNOW. YOU CAN PROVIDE COMMENT IF YOU'D LIKE, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENTS. YOU CAN ADDRESS ANYTHING. MR. VICE MAYOR. SO I APPRECIATE YOU LAYING ALL THAT OUT. THIS IS NOT, THOUGH, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR WITH THIS PRESENTATION. AND THIS RESOLUTION IS NOT THE DIRECTION I WAS LOOKING TO GO IN THIS PRESENTATION. AND I MAY BE INTERPRETING THIS WRONG. SO YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT
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MY INTERPRETATION OF THIS IS WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKS, WE HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE, WE'RE GOOD.AND THEN THIS RESOLUTION LOOKS AND FEELS SOMETHING TO ME LIKE WE'RE JUST AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO SORT OF GO AFTER WHERE HE SEES OPPORTUNITY USING THIS MONEY. WE WANT TO ACQUIRE NEW AS WELL. AND THAT MIGHT BE THE MISSING PIECE. WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR WAS A MORE CRITICAL VIEW OF THE PARKS IN TERMS OF WHERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY. I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE. WHEN YOU TAKE THE 100 ACRES OR SO OUT WITH HANEY CREEK, THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE USED, BUT I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT PICTURE. BUT I WANT I WAS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITY.
WHERE CAN WE IMPROVE THESE PARKS? WHERE CAN WE INVEST MONEY INTO MAYBE WHERE THEIR OLD PLAYGROUNDS? WHERE CAN, LIKE I HAD MENTIONED, TRAIL HEADING, YOU KNOW, THE US ONE SIDE OF HANEY CREEK AND PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF A THING. I WOULD LIKE US TO BE DISCUSSING COMPREHENSIVELY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING WITH OUR PARKS. SO HERE'S I TRUST I TRUST YOU, BUT I WAS NOT LOOKING FOR. BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE US DIRECTION ON THE PARK, THOUGH, IF YOU GIVE US SOME MONEY, LIKE IF YOU SAY TAKE $500,000 FROM THIS HALF CENT SALES TAX, OR $1 MILLION FOR A HALF CENT SALES TAX, AND PUT TOGETHER A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT LIST FOR THE PARKS, WE CAN BUDGET IT BASED UPON THE AMOUNT YOU ALLOCATE. BUT RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO GIVE THE WHOLE 1.5 MILLION EVERY YEAR FOR TEN YEARS OR NONE. AND SO IT'S KIND OF WE DON'T KNOW THAT BASED ON NEED AND WHETHER THERE'S OPPORTUNITY WHICH HAS NOT BEEN. WELL, RIGHT.
BUT THAT BECAUSE TECHNICALLY OUR DEMOGRAPHICS DEMONSTRATE THAT WE DON'T HAVE NEED AND THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TEN TIMES OVER WHAT THE COMP PLAN REQUIREMENT IS. SO THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS DIRECTION FROM YOU SPECIFICALLY SAYING, LOOK, I WANT TO DEDICATE $1 MILLION TO PARKS. AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, I SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW AND NOT HAVE YOU TELL ME THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH GREEN SPACE, BUT WHERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE OUR GREEN SPACE OR AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT WAS THE IDEA OF BUILDING TRAILHEADS AND KAYAKING TRAILHEADS, CONNECTING THE TRAILS IN HANEY CREEK. HAMILTON CREEK AND FRAZIER CREEK AREA, WHICH TO ME FALLS UNDERNEATH THAT PROGRAMING I USE THESE EXAMPLE IS THAT I WOULD BE APPLYING FOR GRANT FUNDING TO DO THOSE AS WELL, TO TRY AND EXTRAPOLATE THE MONEY, BUT IF IT WAS BASED UPON NEED, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN SAY THAT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TRAILHEAD. SO IT'S MORE OF A DESIRE, AND I AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT COMES IN. IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR ME, FOR YOU GUYS TO GIVE. VERY LIKE IF THE COMMISSION HAD A CONSENSUS THAT YOU WANT TO DO WELL BECAUSE HANEY CREEK, WHICH IS WHAT, 15 MILLION BUCKS? YEAH, THAT'S NOT THE HALF CENT SALES TAX. WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR FROM THIS PRESENTATION WAS AN AUDIT MORE OF WHERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY, SO THAT WE COULD START TO DEVELOP A MENU OF. I HAD A FEELING THAT THIS COULD COME UP. SO I GOT YOU AN EXTRA SLIDE. OH GOOD. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PROBABLY THINKING ABOUT. IT'S THE MAJOR. IT'S LIKE THE PRIMARY. BUT YEAH, WHAT I WANTED TO SEE WAS AN AUDIT OF ALL OF OUR PARKS. AND THERE'S OPPORTUNITY. I KNOW THERE'S NOT A LOT OF GREEN SPACE WE CAN ACQUIRE, RIGHT. BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS MAKE OUR PARKS MORE AN AMENITY FOR RESIDENTS. SO WHAT IS THE WHAT? WHAT I CAN DO IS I'LL HAVE JIM UPDATE. GO BACK TO THE PARKS LIST IF YOU CAN.
AND ONCE WE DO THAT, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE. ONE MORE KEEP YOU ON THE A RESOLUTION LIKE THIS. BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE OPEN ENDED WITH NO DIRECTION. SO THIS RIGHT HERE, WHAT WE CAN DO IS I'LL HAVE JIM UPDATE THIS. AND AFTER EACH PARK, TWO SWING SETS, BATHROOM LIGHTS, PARKING AND ALMOST LIKE LIST AND INVENTORY OR AN AUDIT OF THOSE KIND OF LIKE THIS KIND OF LIKE THAT, BUT WITH PICTURES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S EVERYTHING. AND THEY JUST DID FLAGLER PARK TALKING ABOUT. BUT I KNOW YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT. BUT SO HE HE DOES HAVE IT AUDITED IN THAT SLIDE. YEAH. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT SLIDE. RIGHT. WELL HE JUST IT WAS PART OF IT.
RIGHT. SO YEAH I BY THE TIME THE AGENDA ITEM WAS IN THERE WE WERE STILL COUNTING THINGS. RIGHT.
BUT WE CAN WE CAN SUBMIT THAT OBVIOUSLY AFTER TODAY. BUT WE CAN WE CAN DRILL IN THIS AS DEEP AS YOU WANT. VICE MAYOR I A LOT OF THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE QUALITATIVE OR QUANTITATIVE. YOU KNOW, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE RESIDENTS POTENTIALLY HAVE A WORKSHOP ABOUT THIS. I'M NOT JUST LOOKING FOR A QUICK POWERPOINT ON WHAT WE HAVE, THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH. WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH. AND LET'S, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF TURN CITY MANAGER LOOSE ON WHATEVER OPPORTUNITY. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO HELP YOU ALL TO REALLY ZERO IN ON THE KIND OF AMENITIES YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEE IN THE PARKS. WE CAN I THINK WE CAN PUT A WATER PARK IN IF WE WANT. YEAH, THAT'S IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE. SURE. I THINK IT SHOULD BE PROBABLY COMMUNITY
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DRIVEN. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE WORKSHOPS. OKAY. SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT PARKS I AGREE, I LOVE THAT IDEA. WHAT PARKS. THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY AND PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH. WHEN WE LOOK AT COMMUNITY THOUGH. INPUT TOO, BY THE WAY, IT'S GOING TO BE THE LOUDEST THAT SHOW UP IN THE MAJORITY THAT SHOW UP FOR SPECIFIC PARKS. AND WE'RE AND WE'RE REACHING THE CONS STORMWATER. WE'RE DOING THE PARKS. YEAH. SEEMS LIKE A IS IT IS IT ONE OR THE OTHER. WELL I DON'T IT'S I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S A FUNDING ON WHAT'S PRIORITY I GOT ABOUT THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH MONEY I GET ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT A $1.5 MILLION A YEAR. SO STORMWATER I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT $5 MILLION A YEAR IN STORMWATER I COULD DO RIGHT NOW WITH, WITH WITHOUT EVEN TOUCHING IT. AND STORMWATER IS MORE OF LIKE YOU GET GRANTS, RIGHT. LIKE AN INFRASTRUCTURE. I THINK THAT HAS LESS TO DO WITH THE NATURE OF THE HALF-CENT SALES TAX, EVEN THOUGH IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, YOU I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE COUNTY'S INTENTION WITH THE HALF-CENT SALES TAX WAS FOR THE ACQUISITION OF LAND. SO THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THAT WOULD BE OUR TOP PRIORITY. RIGHT. AND WHERE THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY OPPORTUNITY, I THINK IT SHOULD BE INVESTING INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR PARKS AND GREEN SPACE AND MAKING IT MORE ACCESSIBLE AND MORE OF AN AMENITY FOR RESIDENTS. AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WE'RE NOT RESTRICTED TO JUST PURCHASING LAND. WE COULD UTILIZE IT FOR OTHER THINGS. WELL, AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S SO THE QUESTION IS, THOUGH, DO YOU GUYS WANT TO DO IT FOR THE INVESTMENT OF LAND? BECAUSE I COULD GO OUT RIGHT NOW AND SPEND $10 MILLION ON LAND AND THERE WOULDN'T BE A NICKEL LEFT FOR THE PARKS, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. AND THEN I COULD GO OUT AND SPEND 10 MILLION ON THE PARKS. THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING LEFT FOR THE LAND. OR WE COULD SPEND IT ON PARKS AND HALF LAND AND NO MONEY FOR STORMWATER. THE PART WITH LAND THAT'S TRICKY, LIKE YOU SAID, IS IF YOU START TALKING ABOUT IT, THEN IT GOES OUT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TRAILHEADS, I ALSO CONSIDER HAMILTON CREEK AND FRAZIER CREEK TO BE TRAILHEADS. THEY ARE KAYAKING AND WALKABLE TRAILS THAT YOU COULD END UP BUILDING ALONG THOSE CREEKS IN THE PUBLIC AREA OF THOSE. BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO MANGROVES AND DREDGING OF CREEKS, EXPENSIVE REAL MONEY GETS SPENT. AND SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED. AND WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO IS JUST KIND OF LEAVE IT OPEN. AND, AND SO THAT AS OPPORTUNITY CAME, GIVING YOU GUYS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY NOT READY OR READY, THE ONLY DOWNSIDE TO THAT IS THAT YOU DON'T GET A GLOBAL LIST OF EVERYTHING IN A MENU AND SAY, HERE'S EVERY CHOICE YOU HAVE.WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT? BECAUSE ONE STORMWATER PROJECT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND $80,000 DESIGN ON STORMWATER PROJECT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PURSUE. SO WE WON'T HAVE ANY NUMBERS, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DESIGN A TRAILHEAD AND WALKING PARK AND FRAZIER CREEK OR HANEY CREEK IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT, BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS, WE WON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A PRIORITY. SO IT'S A LIKE IT'S ALMOST LIKE THROUGH THE GRANT PROCESS, WHETHER IT'S STATE OR FEDERAL, DO THEY PUT OUT A LIST? WELL, THERE'S GRANTS IN DIFFERENT TYPES OF GRANTS ALL OVER THE PLACE. FDEP HAS GRANTS. DO THEY POP UP? IS IT ALL THE TIME? SO IT'S EVERY MONTH THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE OKAY. SO QUARTERLY I GET A MONTHLY EMAIL WITH GRANTS ON IT. I THINK BEN GETS ANOTHER EMAIL WITH GRANTS ON IT. AND SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR US AS A BOARD TO IF WE FIND OUT, HEY, IF THERE'S A GRANT FOR THIS, WHY WOULD WE SPEND LOCAL MONEY? I MEAN, THERE'S THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE. AND THE CITY OF STUART HAS BEEN VERY, VERY GOOD ABOUT USING GRANT FUNDING TO PROVIDE THE, THE, THE BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S WELL, WE COULDN'T PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT WE DO WITHOUT THE GRANT FUNDING. BUT THE REAL QUESTION THAT THE STAFF OR I NEED IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT THIS HALF-CENT SALES TAX IS FOR THE COMMISSION TO SAY, WE WANT TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION. AND IF IT'S AND IF I'M HEARING YOU SAY THAT YOUR DIRECTION IS PARKS, OBVIOUSLY THE ACQUISITION OF LAND, WHY WOULD WE GO DO PARKS IF THERE'S A STATE OR FEDERAL GRANT FOR PARKS THAT SOME OF THEM MAY REQUIRE A MATCH? WELL, EVEN THEN AT LEAST OUR MONEY IS GETTING STRETCHED FURTHER FOR THE TAXPAYERS, IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. OKAY, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. IF COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER CLARK'S BEEN WAITING VERY PATIENTLY. THANKS. I'LL GIVE COMMISSIONER READ SOME MORE TIME. NO, NO. I'M OKAY, I'M OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME, SIR, WHEN THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND, THEN THERE WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND SO YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. THEN I JUST I HAVE SOME. NON PARK PROJECTS.
SHOULD WE JUST TALK TO YOU MIKE. OR DO I SUGGEST I'D RATHER LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. I'D RATHER GET CONSENSUS. YEAH I'D RATHER GET CONSENSUS. ACTUALLY I KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER TO THIS IS, BUT I WANT TO BRING IT UP. ANYHOW, I BROUGHT IT UP WITH DAVE DYESS WHEN HE WAS CITY MANAGER. AND SO THE COUNTY HAS BUILT A DRAINAGE AREA ALONG MONTEREY ROAD, AND IT COMES ALL THE WAY BACK TO PALM BEACH ROAD AGAIN. I BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF PALM BEACH ROAD FLOODING. THAT'S A COUNTY ISSUE
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THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, BUT MY ISSUE IS THAT MAYBE I'M GUILTY OF TRESPASSING. I DON'T KNOW, I PROBABLY AM GOING TO GET YOU. IN THE PAST, WE USED TO WALK ALONG MONTEREY ROAD. SINCE THAT ROAD HAS BEEN BUILT, IT NEVER ALWAYS WAS THERE. I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS BUILT AND WE WENT THROUGH A LOT WITH THAT, AND IT HAS CHANGED ITS ALIGNMENT THAT AT MONTEREY ROAD AND A1A BUT WE USED TO TURN THROUGH THE WOODS, SO TO SPEAK, AND COME ON, COME BACK ONTO 14TH STREET. NOW THE COUNTY HAS BUILT A NICE DRAINAGE AREA IN THERE. AND I HAD ASKED BEFORE ABOUT CONTINUING 14TH STREET AND MAKING SOME KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, ART, ART, ARTISTIC TYPE BRIDGE, WHICH IS ALL MADE OUT OF METAL SO THAT PEOPLE COULD WALK THROUGH THERE. I WAS TOLD THAT MAYBE PEOPLE THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY PARKING, IT WOULD JUST BE WALKING THROUGH THERE, JUST LIKE PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS WALKED THROUGH THERE. KIDS HAVE GONE THROUGH THERE BEFORE. IT IS COUNTY. PROPERTY ON THERE. IT'S AN EXTENSION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY FROM MONTEREY ROAD. AND SO IT WOULD BE CROSSING OVER JUST LIKE YOU HAVE. WE HAVE A LITTLE BRIDGE THAT MR. MILTON MADE FOR SARITA HEIGHTS AT 10TH STREET, GOING OVER TO MONTEREY ROAD. THIS WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER LITTLE BRIDGE THAT GOES FROM 14TH STREET OVER TO MONTEREY ROAD. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED THE RESIDENTS TO SAY THAT THEY LIKE IT, OR TO TALK ABOUT IT OR DISCUSS IT, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE IDEAS, BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE A SHORTER WALK AND THEY WANT TO CUT ACROSS, OR THEY'D HAVE TO GO UP TO 10TH STREET AND COME OVER ON THERE. SO THAT'S MY IDEA IS TO LOOK AND TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON POSSIBLY DOING SOME KIND OF A CROSSING ROAD. IT'S NOT A ROAD, IT'S A DRAINAGE DITCH. IT'S JUST A LITTLE RUNS ALONG MONTEREY. YEAH, YEAH. AND THIS IS THE PROPOSAL IS TO I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE BACK THERE WOULD EVEN. WELL THAT'S CONNECTIVITY. IT'S SUCH A QUIET LITTLE AREA BACK THERE. THAT'S WHAT I'VE THAT'S WHAT I'VE SAID THAT I'VE, THAT I BROUGHT THAT UP. IF PEOPLE WANT I'LL JUST BRING IT UP. I'LL JUST I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP CUZ I LIVE NOT TOO FAR. WE, I WALK ON 10TH STREET, WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF YOUR HOUSE, AND I CROSS OVER THERE AT SARITA HEIGHTS. IT'S NOT A LOT TO CROSS OVER THERE. I DON'T THINK IT WILL MAKE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. IT'S NOT TRAFFIC, IT'S NOT A ROAD. IT'S JUST A LITTLE EIGHT FOOT STRIP THAT WOULD GO OVER THERE AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO WALK ACROSS THE. THE KIDS USED TO TAKE A BOARD AND GO ACROSS THERE CREATES A WALKING LOOP. NO, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW COMMISSIONER CLARK TO FINISH HER COMMENTS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO JUST SO THE ISSUE WITH THE COUNTY, WE JUST MET OVER THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY ON 14TH STREET. SO OKAY. SO THEN THAT CAN THAT CAN YEAH. WHAT THEY SAID. RIGHT I UNDERSTAND I JUST SAID I'M, I'M JUST I'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE, BUT I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP TO ME. I BRING IT UP AGAIN. THE OTHER THING IS, I DON'T KNOW, MR. KOWALSKI. YOU GO BACK A LONG TIME. YOU'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. BUT WHEN WE DO THOSE VOLUNTEER OYSTER BEDS AND STUFF OUT HERE, I THINK AT ONE TIME SOMEBODY HAD TALKED ABOUT. AND THIS MIGHT BE CONSIDERED FLUFF, DOING SOMETHING WHICH WOULD BE SOME KIND OF UNDERWATER ART UNDERWATER PARK THING WITH SOME THINGS. IT'S NOT LIKE AN ARTIFICIAL REEF, BUT KIND OF, BUT IT WOULD STILL CREATE SOME SAFETY AREAS FOR, FOR. AQUATIC LIFE TO, TO DO SOMETHING THERE. AND IT WOULD CREATE SOME TYPE OF A. UNDERWATER. I'LL REFRESH YOUR MEMORY AND IT AND IT WAS BASICALLY A THIS THOUGHT HAS COME UP WITH THE MAYOR. BRING IT UP AGAIN WITH THE MAYOR'S PERMISSION. I'LL SHARE THIS WITH COMMISSIONER CLARK. WE HAD AN IDEA FOR A LONG TIME ABOUT BEING ABLE TO CREATE A LIVING WALL OR A LIVING SHORELINE ALONG THE BANKS OF THE SAINT LUCIE RIVER. WE'VE. WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE THAT ON ILLINOIS AND IN FRAZIER CREEK. CORRECT. AND WITH THIS, I THINK THAT AND I KNOW THE WAY THAT COMMISSIONER CLARK IS WIRED, THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL ART STATEMENT THAT WAS ATTACHED TO IT. WELL, MAYBE I'M WRONG. MAYBE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. AND THEN WITH THIS, YOU HAVE AN ART COMPONENT. YOU HAVE A ART, YOU HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT. BECAUSE OF COURSE YOU CAN TAKE KAYAKING TOURS THROUGH THERE. BUT THERE'S MANY COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DONE SIMILAR SITUATIONS IN WHERE THEY SCULPT DIFFERENT KINDS OF GREENERY INTO AN ARTISTIC STATEMENT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BECOME AN ART STATEMENT, AS WELL AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION AREA. OKAY. THAT'S ONE. SO WITH THAT, THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION.[02:10:05]
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN. 10TH STREET. AND THEN OF COURSE, EVERY ONE OF THE OTHER PARKS, I'VE LISTED THEM HERE, THE 10TH STREET MEMORIAL PARK AND THE INVENTORY TYPE IDEA THAT YOU NEED TO PUT ME TO SIT BESIDE COMMISSIONER, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COLLEAGUES. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD HANDLE. I COULD REACH OUT TO HIM ANYHOW. SO THOSE. SO THOSE PARKS ARE ON MY LIST. TWO OF THINGS. BUT I THINK THAT THAT THING, I THOUGHT I'D BRING IT UP, AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR. WHAT WAS THE RECENT COMMENT ON THE 14TH STREET? TRYING TO HAVE A PATH CROSS OVER THERE. ARE YOU DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REMARKS, COMMISSIONER JOB? OKAY. THANK YOU. LAST DECEMBER, THE RESIDENTS ON 14TH STREET HAD ASKED ME TO PLEASE INTERVENE. THEY HAD REMOVED FOLIAGE AND WHATNOT. WHEN THEY WERE DOING THAT CULVERT. AND SO THEY ASKED THAT THAT IT WAS NOW OPEN. WELL, IT WAS OPEN. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT ATTRACTIVE LOOKING. IT LOOKED OUT YOUR DOOR, YOU SAW.SO I DID MEET WITH COMMISSIONER HEATHERINGTON AND HER STAFF, AND WE ACTUALLY DID A SITE VISIT TO THE PROPERTY. THEY WILL NOT ALLOW ANY OBSTRUCTION OF THAT AREA BECAUSE THEY HAVE MACHINERY THAT GOES IN TO CLEAN OUT THE CULVERT. SO THEY CAN'T HAVE ANY OBSTRUCTION, WHETHER IT BE A BRIDGE OR WHATEVER. WE WERE TRYING TO GET TREES PLANTED ON THAT SIDE FOR THE RESIDENTS.
THEY CAN'T EVEN HAVE THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD INTERFERE WITH THE MECHANISM MACHINERY THAT GOES IN TO CLEAN THE CULVERT. THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE A LIFT UP THING. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, COMMISSIONER REED. YEAH, I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION ON THE WHOLE OYSTER BED THING. COMMISSIONER CLARK. WHAT WHAT YOU WERE MENTIONING, I GOT LOST IN IT, SO I WASN'T SURE WHAT JUST BECAUSE I, I MEAN, I BOAT, SO I KNOW IF YOU GO OUT OF THOSE NAVIGATIONAL MARKERS, YOU'RE GOING TO RUN AGROUND. FOR ANYONE THAT EITHER WALKS THE BRIDGE OR BOATS, THERE ARE MULTIPLE BOATS THAT RUN AGROUND OVER THERE ANYWAY, DEFINITELY ON A LOW TIDE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT EVEN A HIGH TIDE. YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO RUN AGROUND. IF YOU COME OUT OF THAT NAVIGATIONAL MARKER, YOU'RE ON A KAYAK. I MEAN, EVEN THAT'S QUESTIONABLE. IT'S VERY SHALLOW OVER THERE. SO I WASN'T SURE WHAT DIRECTION YOU WERE GOING WITH IT. BUT IT'S ONE CLARIFICATION. THAT'S WHY WE INVESTIGATED AND LEAVE IT UP TO THE EXPERTS. IT WAS JUST AN IDEA. WE HAVE THE SAINT LUCIE RIVER, AND I THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO WORK TO MAKE THAT. A SHORELINE THAT'S LIKE A PROTECTED AREA, LIKE A BARRIER WALL, OR IT SOUNDED LIKE AN ARTIFICIAL REEF IN THE WATER. IT IS LIKE IT'S SO SHALLOW. THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT IN THE THOUGHT WITH THAT WAS, IS THAT THE OYSTERS HELP CLEAN THE RIVER. CORRECT. AND IT WAS REALLY A WAY OF BEING ABLE TO TAKE AN ENVIRONMENTAL ELEMENT TO HELP CLEAN THE RIVER. AND THE RIVER. KIDS ACTUALLY GOT INVOLVED IN THAT THROUGH FLORIDA OCEANOGRAPHIC. IN LOW TIDE, IT COMES OUT OF THE WATER. NICE.
OKAY. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OF STAFF SEEING NONE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEM FIVE. SO I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. SO IF WE AUTHORIZE YOU GOING FORWARD WITH THIS JUST IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS ACTUAL MOTION, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. IF WE AUTHORIZE YOU TO DO THIS, ARE YOU GOING TO BRING BACK I. I'M THESE VARIOUS OPPORTUNITIES AS THEY COME UP. WELL THAT'S SO I'M OKAY WITH NOT DOING THAT. LIKE I'M WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS I DON'T WANT YOU GOING. SO I'M HAPPY WE HAD IT. I DON'T WANT YOU TO MISS OUT ON AN OPPORTUNITY TO A PIECE OF PROPERTY. I HAD A CHANCE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY. I'D DO IT WITHOUT THE RESOLUTION AND BRING IT TO YOU GUYS AS A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM ANYWAY. BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF STAFF TIME CHASING DREAMS THAT YOU GUYS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO IT'S JUST I WAS REALLY LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION. I MEAN, IT'S CLEAR TO ME HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE PARKS. I JUST I'M SUBJECT TO FIVE DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS. AND WHEN WE'RE NOT IN MEETINGS, LIKE IN A PUBLIC SETTING, THERE MAY BE OTHERS THAT FEEL MORE STRONGLY ABOUT STORMWATER OR OTHERS THAT FEEL MORE STRONGLY ABOUT ACQUISITION, OR OTHERS THAT FEEL MORE STRONGLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PLANTING TREES. AND SO WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS A CONSENSUS I WANT TO PULL, THEN LET ME PULL A LITTLE BIT. BUT IT ALSO MAKES SENSE TO GET GRANTS UPDATED TOO, BECAUSE. ABSOLUTELY, LET'S GET A MOTION. SO MOTION. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION THEN IS WOULD AT LEAST TWO MORE OF YOU BE INTERESTED IN PRIORITIZING TURNING THAT TWO ACRES AT HANEY CREEK INTO A TRAILHEAD VERSUS NOT DOING THAT? SAVE IT FOR HOUSING, BECAUSE THAT THAT'S BEEN A CONTENTION IS THERE WAS POTENTIALLY HAVING BE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND BE LIKE. A CAR WASH. THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT IT BEING AFFORDABLE
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HOUSING, APARTMENTS. YOU KNOW, MY VISION FOR THAT SPACE HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, WHATEVER. IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS FOR THAT TO BE A TRAILHEAD FOR HANEY CREEK, TO BE ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE, AS A PARK FOR RESIDENTS. OKAY. SO YOU'RE NOT QUESTIONING STAFF NOW YOU'RE TALKING TO YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. SO WE NEED TO DO THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF A MOTION, THE CONTEXT OF. THE CITY MANAGER'S REMARKS WAS THE REASON THAT HE HAS THIS HERE IS TO TRY TO GET SOME DIRECTION FROM US. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT PROVIDES SPECIFIC GUIDANCE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT. WELL. OKAY. I'M HAPPY TO MOVE APPROVAL ON THIS SO WE CAN JUST HAVE MORE GENERAL DISCUSSION. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. THAT'S FINE. OKAY.WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR BEFORE HE MAKES THAT MOTION, CAN I? NO YOU CAN'T.
HE'S MADE THE MOTION. NOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SECOND. YOU KNOW, SHE DID MAKE. RETRACT MY MOTION.
GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY YOU'RE NOT RECOGNIZED. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. WE'RE RETRACTED MY MOTION. I RETRACTED MY MOTION. OKAY, OKAY. JUST. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF? NO. I WILL HAVE A QUESTION TO THE ATTORNEY AFTER THE MEETING. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. JUST A STATEMENT, I GUESS. MAYOR RICH, IS IT OKAY IF I MAKE MY STATEMENT? IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF REGARDING THIS ITEM AGENDA ITEM, I THINK IT WOULD ADDRESS STAFF. OKAY. AND IT ADDRESSES THE BOARD AS WELL. MY STATEMENT WOULD BE LIKE I, I REITERATED BEFORE, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT GRANTS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. IF WE JUST GO PRIORITIZE THE TRAIL, WHICH I FULLY SUPPORT. YOU, VICE MAYOR COLLINS ON THE QUESTION COMES DOWN TO IS HOW MUCH MONEY IS IT GOING TO COST? SO IF IT'S TEN, 15 MILLION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COSTS. I'M JUST SAYING WE WOULD SPEND ALL LOCAL MONEY ON ONE PROJECT, AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT AS HOW WE CAN PRIORITIZE TO HELP AS MANY RESIDENTS, WHETHER IT'S STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, WHETHER IT'S THEM USING PARKS, OR WHETHER IT'S BENEFITING ALL THE RESIDENTS BY ACQUIRING MORE LAND. I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE GRANTS, WHICH I KNOW MIKE AND JOLIE AND, YOU KNOW, ALL STAFF AND ALL YOU GUYS ARE VERY SHARP WHEN IT COMES TO GRANTS. AND I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD MISUSE MONEY IF THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE THING TO SAY, BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, MIKE, YOU KNOW THE DIRECTION. SO NO MATTER WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO PURSUE GRANTS, WHETHER IT'S FOR A TRAILHEAD IN THE PARK OR WHETHER IT'S FOR PURSUING THE CANAL. I JUST I'M, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR FROM YOU GUYS. IS THERE IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY, WE WANT TO DO FIRST, THEN PASS THE RESOLUTION AND WE'LL JUST KIND OF PLAY IT BY EAR, PLAY IT BY EAR AND GO THROUGH IT. BUT IF YOU SAY NO, NO, NO, WE WANT YOU TO DO THE PARKS, TRAILHEADS OR THE PARKS OR THE TWO ACRES NORTH OF THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE ON US ONE FIRST, THEN WE'LL DO THAT FIRST. YEAH. AND SO OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE'S GRANT MONEY THERE, WE'LL DO IT ALONG. I JUST HATE TO WIPE OUT ALL THAT HALF CENT SALES TAX ON ONE. BUT THERE BUT THERE'S NO THERE'S NO ASSUMPTION THAT THAT'S THE CASE. IT'S JUST STARTING TO GIVE PRIORITIES. AND IF WE START GETTING INTO IT IT'S $15 MILLION. MY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT TWO ACRES WAS MORE OF LIKE A NATURAL PARK. AND I AGREE, NOT BUILDING OUT A BUNCH OF INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT MAKING IT ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE YOU KNOW. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY. SO YES. YES. OKAY. COMMISSIONER. MR. CLARK, STAFF. MR. KOWALSKI.
YES, MA'AM. CAN YOU PLEASE PUT BACK UP THAT MAP WITH THE HANEY CREEK AREA? SURE. AND CAN YOU GIVE ME THE APPROXIMATE ACREAGE OF THAT AREA? NOT THAT ONE. THE ONE WITH THE WET THAT THAT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S WETLANDS. THE GREEN LITTLE GREEN MARKS. THERE. NO, IT'S HARD TO SEE THAT ONE, THAT ONE, THAT ONE. SO YOU KNOW, THE NINE ACRES. DO YOU HAVE A POINTER, JIM, WHERE IT SAYS HANEY RESERVE. WHERE, WHERE WHERE IT COMES IN RIGHT THERE. THAT'S WHERE THE TWO ACRE IS RIGHT NOW. YES. RIGHT UP TO US ONE. RIGHT. SO THAT LITTLE BIRD LOOKING, THAT LITTLE BIRD LOOKS LIKE A BIRD. SO THAT'S A THAT'S A KIND OF TWO ACRE PARCEL RIGHT THERE. WHAT. AND WHAT'S THE NATURE OF THAT IN TERMS OF BIRD GOING? THE BIRDS TWO ACRE PARCEL IS FURTHER TO THE SOUTH AT THE ENTRANCE OF NORTH SHORE. OKAY. IT'S WAY DOWN. YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT'S FURTHER DOWN THEN. OKAY.
SO WE'RE A LITTLE CARVE OUT. I THINK IT'S HERE. NO, IT'S I CAN IF YOU CAN GIVE ME THE POINTER I'LL SHOW YOU. YEAH. IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE ENTRANCE BECAUSE I WAS. THE CONNECTIVITY AND IS IT UPLANDS MIKE OR IS IT ALL WETLANDS. THAT'S UP. YEAH, IT'S TWO ACRES. UPLANDS. OKAY.
THERE'S A BOARDWALK IN THERE. SO WHICH YOU CAN'T GET TO IT FROM THAT SIDE. THERE'S NOTHING
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THERE. IT'S JUST. THESE UP. THIS IS THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. THIS C SHAPE IS IN THE COUNTY. APPROVED THIS PROJECT IN THE MID 90S. THERE'S NINE DAYS INDEED. AND THEY DEVELOPER DEDICATED THIS LAND AND THIS LAND TO THE COUNTY AND HAD BUILT THESE HOMES RIGHT HERE. AND THEN THAT'S WHEN THE COUNTY ENTERED THE MORATORIUM AND STOPPED THE DEVELOPER FROM BUILDING THE REST OF THE HOME.SO THE DEVELOPER ANNEX THE COUNTY PROJECT INTO THE CITY. BUT HE HAD ALREADY DEDICATED THIS AND THIS TO THE COUNTY, SO THEY DIDN'T GET ANNEXED AS PART OF IT. HOWEVER, THE CITY OF STUART HAS STILL CREATED THE DOG PARK, BATHROOMS AND DOG RUN ON A PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY THAT CITY, BUT THE REST IS ACTUALLY IN THE COUNTY AND WE MAINTAIN IT, PAY FOR IT, OPERATE IT AND INSURANCE. AS YOU LOOK AT NORTH RIVER SHORES, THIS IS CALLED HALF MILE LAKE RIGHT HERE. THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO NORTH RIVER SHORES IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF HALF MILE LAKE. YOU CAN SEE IT'S CARVED OUT RIGHT. THAT'S A LITTLE TWO ACRE PARCEL. THAT'S THE TWO ACRE PARCEL. OKAY. RIGHT THERE. YES. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HANEY CREEK AND THE GREEN AROUND IT HERE. AND COMMISSIONER DONATED THIS TWO ACRES FOR THIS TWO ACRES WHEN THAT WAS TAKING PLACE TO HOLD THAT PUBLIC. AND THAT WHOLE AREA REPRESENTS ABOUT 115 ACRES. YOU ASKED, HOW MUCH ACREAGE IS THERE? ASSET SALES TAX. THE COUNTY, THE CITY BOUGHT 52 ACRES TO COMPLETE THE ANY CREEK PROJECT. SO. SO, VICE MAYOR COLLINS, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TWO ACRE? CORRECT. SO RIGHT NOW THAT THAT TWO ACRES IS IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE TO GET INTO THAT PROPERTY FROM US. ONE. AND SO INSTEAD OF THAT BEING APARTMENTS OR A CAR WASH, TO ME THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR RESIDENTS WOULD BE HAVING THAT BE A TRAILHEAD TO GET INTO THAT LARGER PROPERTY FROM US. ONE HOPE YOU REMEMBER THAT THOUGHT PROCESS. WHEN WE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE CONTIGUOUS LOGICAL. I REMEMBER THEY WANTED A CAR WASH THERE AND RESIDENTS WANT THAT. SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH RESOLUTION 5720, 25 AND GIVE MIKE THE ABILITY TO START HEAD HUNTING LAND TO BUY AND. FOR GREEN SPACE. BUT PRIORITIZING THAT TWO ACRES NORTH OF THE BRIDGE TO HAVE THAT BE A TRAILHEAD FOR HANEY CREEK. BUT BEING CUT OFF SO OFTEN, YOU KNOW. AND. WAS THERE ANY OTHER CONSENSUS FOR PROJECTS? OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION. DO YOU HAVE IS IT CLEAR I'M GOING TO LOSE MY.
YEAH. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR.
AND I'M HAPPY TO AMEND MY MOTION. IF WE IN TALKING WE COME UP WITH A TOP FIVE OR SOMETHING.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? WELL, THIS GENTLEMAN I THINK HAS BEEN HAVE YOU FILLED OUT A DO YOU HAVE ANY. I HAVE A GREEN CARD FOR TRACY GRIFFIN, MADAM CLERK CALL HIM OUT. TRACY GRIFFITH OKAY. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING. I'M NOT UP TO DATE WITH THE PROCEDURAL. I AM, AND I STILL DO. PARDON ME, I AM, AND I STILL INTERRUPT. MY NAME IS TRACY GRIFFITH. I OWN THE PIECE OF PROPERTY AT CHANNEL AVENUE AND SOUTHWEST SIXTH STREET, WHICH IS BEING REFERRED TO. AND I LOVE THAT HALF CENT SALES TAX IDEA.
THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS COULD BE DONE. I'D LIKE TO JUST COMMENT A COUPLE OF MY IDEAS.
ONE, SPECIFICALLY A NEED THAT I HAVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AT MY PROPERTY, WHICH I THINK IS A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT'S A VERY LOW LYING PROPERTY. IF ANYBODY KNOWS WHERE IT IS, RIGHT IN THAT AREA, AT THE FUNERAL HOME, THE CREMATORY. BED, FLOODING. FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER, I'VE OWNED IT ABOUT 30 YEARS. I LOVE THE IDEA OF PARKS. I LOVE THE IDEA OF TREES. ALL OF THIS IS FANTASTIC. I'M ON BOARD WITH ALL OF THAT. IF YOU'VE SEEN MY PLACE, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF ALL OF THAT. HOWEVER, I DO LOVE THE IDEA OF, AS MR. MORTELL IS PRESENTING, YOU KNOW, REQUESTING YOU GUYS TO GET SOME INPUT AS TO WHAT HE CAN PRIORITIZE WHILE ALL THOSE THINGS ARE ARE GOOD AND THEY'RE GREAT WANTS, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO GET OUR NEEDS FIXED. AND I SPECIFICALLY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, HAVE BEEN WAITING 25 YEARS FOR THE FIX.
ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. MORTEZ, SOME OF THE DATA THAT YOU PRESENTED EARLIER, NOT ENTIRELY ACCURATE. THE FLOODING THAT I GET ON MY PROPERTY, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR ME TO HAVE AN
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UNPROFESSIONAL PROFESSIONAL OFFICES THERE. IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR US TO HAVE CLIENTS WALKING THROUGH 4 TO 6IN OF WATER, LARGELY BECAUSE THE STORM WATER RUNS DOWN SOUTHWEST SIXTH STREET, RUNS DOWN CHANNEL AVENUE, MERGES AT THE ONLY DRAIN AT THE LOWEST PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS DRAIN IS WONDERFUL. IT'S A BIG DRAIN, AS YOU MENTIONED, AND WE'VE SHARED SOME EMAILS. COMMISSIONER REED, THANK YOU. AND MR. MORTELL, HOWEVER, THERE'S A MAJOR DESIGN FLAW WITH THAT DRAIN. I THINK THE CITY COMMISSION NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF IT. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT'S A 12 INCH PIPE THAT GOES FROM THAT DRAIN THROUGH THE BAFFLE BOX INTO FRAZIER CREEK, A 12 INCH PIPE, AS FAR AS EVERYTHING I'VE SEEN, IS INADEQUATE FOR THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT COMES DOWN THE ENTIRE. SOUTHWEST. SIX WASHES DOWN, DOES NOT GO INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD, OR DOES NOT GO INTO MY PROPERTY, AS YOU'D SUGGEST IN OUR EMAIL COMES AROUND THE CORNER BECAUSE I DO HAVE A SMALL BERM THERE. AS THE WATER COMES DOWN FROM SOUTHWEST, SIX TURNS AROUND A CORNER, MEETS WATER FLOWING IN FROM CHANNEL AVENUE. THOSE TWO MEET AT THAT DRAIN. THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM IS. THE DRAIN IS PLENTY BIG, BUT YOU GOT A 12 INCH PIPE THAT GOES STRAIGHT INTO FRAZIER CREEK. IT'S NOT UNUSUAL. 10 TO 20 TIMES A YEAR I HAVE TORRENTIAL FLOW ACROSS MY PROPERTY BECAUSE THE CITY STORMWATER IS NOT ADEQUATE. THEIR RETENTION ARE YOU TO THE RIGHT OF THE VACANT LOT? HE'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT. IF YOU TAKE THE HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE FUNERAL HOME OR THE. I'M JUST SOUTH OF THAT. HIS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY CONNECTED TO IT. YEAH.I WAS UP THERE JUST SOUTH OF THE CREMATORY ON THE CREEK. I SEE IT, THANK YOU. JUST. AND THE.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S A LOW SPOT AND THAT'S A FLOOD ZONE. THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S A TERRIBLE LOW SPOT. HOWEVER, I THINK I THINK DOCTOR GRIFFITH HAD TO BUILD HIS HOUSE ON STILTS BECAUSE OF THE FLOODPLAIN THERE. NO, THAT'S NOT THE REASON THAT I BUILD ON STILTS IS BECAUSE I LOVE TREES. I LOVE GREEN SPACE. AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO PARK UNDERNEATH MY OFFICE. IT'S ONLY 0.34 OF AN ACRE. IT IS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. AND IT WAS VACANT PROPERTY, SO IT WAS COMPLETELY OVERGROWN WHEN I BUILT IT, BOUGHT IT AND BUILT IT 22 YEARS AGO NOW. SO YOU'RE ASK, IS A LARGER PIPE THERE? WELL, IT ABSOLUTELY NEEDS A GREATER THAN IS A MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT ISSUE AS WELL, BECAUSE WHEN THE CITY DID THE STORMWATER THAT INCLUDED THE BAFFLE BOX SYSTEM, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE 12 INCH PIPE IS THERE IS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BLOW THE BAFFLE BOX OUT OR ELSE IT DOESN'T WORK. YOU HAVE TO LET THE WATER STOP BEFORE IT RUNS INTO THE CREEK SO THAT THE STUFF CAN SETTLE OUT OF IT. IF YOU JUST MAKE IT A 24 INCH PIPE, YOU MIGHT AS WELL RIP THE BAFFLE BOXES OUT AND JUST FLOW IT INTO THE CREEK ALTOGETHER. THE WHOLE DESIGN, WHEN IT WAS DONE AND ADOPTED BY THE PRIOR COMMISSION, WAS TO STOP THE WATER AND TO SAY, YEAH, THERE'S GOING TO BE TIMES IN THE SUMMERTIME THAT THERE'S STANDING WATER FOR A COUPLE HOURS. IT'LL STILL SUBSIDE. NO ONE'S GOING TO HAVE 24 HOURS OF STANDING WATER, BUT IT'LL BE FILTERED THROUGH THE BAFFLE BOX SYSTEM AND ALL OF THE CIGARETTE BUTTS AND FERTILIZERS AND OILS AND STUFF OF THAT FROM THE ROAD WILL, IN THEORY, DROP OUT BEFORE MAKING IT TO THE CANAL. SO THE DESIGN ISN'T JUST A MATTER OF GOING IN AND MAKING A TEN FOOT PIPE FROM 12IN TO 18IN. THERE'S IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE. BUT YOU ALSO COULD ADD STORMWATER WEST OF HIS HOUSE TO STOP IT FROM CONVERGING ON THE DRAINS IN FRONT OF HIS DRIVEWAY TO CATCH IT BEFOREHAND. AND I'M I'VE PULLED UP THE FLOODPLAIN MAP. HIS HOUSE IS RIGHT THERE. SO THE PORTION OF THE FLOODPLAIN THAT ACTUALLY CROSSES OVER SIXTH STREET IS WHERE HIS HOUSE IS. THERE'S GOING TO BE TIMES THAT, BASED UPON THAT FLOODPLAIN, THAT IT'S JUST LIKE WE HAVE IN THE TO PUT IT IN, YOU KNOW, THE LIKE WE HAVE IN FLAGLER PARK OUT HERE IN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER WHEN IT'S HIGH TIDE, THE WATER DOESN'T DRAIN OUT OF FLAGLER PARK IN THE RAIN BECAUSE THE TIDES HOLD IT IN AND IT'S JUST SO LOW TO THE TO THE WATER LEVEL. IT'S HE'S GOT A WHAT HE'S DESCRIBING IS TRUE. THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THERE'S STANDING WATER HIS DRIVEWAY. AND I MEAN TODAY THERE ISN'T. IT'S DRY OUTSIDE. BUT THE CITY DID GO BACK IN AND SPEND,
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YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ABOUT FIVE YEARS OR SIX YEARS AGO, I THINK IT WAS MAYBE A LITTLE LONGER, MAYBE SEVEN. MOVING, PUTTING STORMWATER IN THAT AREA, ADDRESSING IT, AND THEN DOWN BY WHERE THE VACANT LOT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE HOTEL WAS APPROVED. THERE WAS ALSO LINES PUT IN THERE TO CATCH WATER IN THAT BASIN AS WELL, AND DO THE WHOLE PUBLIC HEARING AND COMMUNITIES. AND I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I THINK SAM AMERSON WAS THE ENGINEER FOR THE CITY AT THE TIME THAT DID IT. I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT CAPACITY WAS DESIGNED TO BE CAUGHT BY THAT 12IN, BUT I DO REMEMBER THE DISCUSSIONS AS IT RELATED TO THE BAFFLE BOXES, CONSTRAINING THE AMOUNT OF WATER YOU CAN MOVE THROUGH THE VOLUME BECAUSE THEY BY THEMSELVES, ARE LITERALLY GOES INTO A SQUARE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THAT PODIUM WHERE YOU'RE STANDING IN, AND THEN IT FILLS UP, AND THEN IT HAS LIKE A LITTLE DAM IN IT, SO THE WATER CAN FILL UP TO THAT AND THEN FLOW OVER TO CATCH THE STUFF. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE NEED TO GET ENGINEERS INVOLVED IN THAT. SO WE ARE AWARE OF YOUR ISSUE. NOW. COMMISSIONER REED HAS BEEN ATTENDING TO AND I PERHAPS OTHER COMMISSIONERS WILL MAKE INQUIRIES REGARDING THIS AND WE'LL SEE. AND DOCTOR GRIFFITH, AS I AND AS I SAID IN THE EMAIL, I WILL BRING BACK YOUR STREET AS WELL WHEN I BRING THE STORMWATER FORWARD WITH THESE GUYS FOR SURE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE SOMEBODY ELSE VERY MUCH. PUBLIC COMMENT I DO. I HAVE FRANK MCCRYSTAL. WE'VE ALREADY PUT STORMWATER AT HIS HOUSE TO. BEFORE I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING. A GOOD EXAMPLE OF MY NAME IS FRANK MCCRYSTAL, FLAMINGO AVENUE, STUART. GOOD MORNING, MR. RICH. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE JUST FROM LISTENING THE PROCESS TO FILTER THE WATER, MAKE IT CLEAN BEFORE IT GOES SOMEWHERE WE DON'T WANT IT TO GO, ACTUALLY SLOWS DOWN THE FLOW THAT'S MAKING THIS PLACE FLOOD. SO YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. YOU CAN DO ALL THE ENGINEERING YOU WANT. YOU GOT TO GIVE UP ONE OR THE OTHER OF THOSE THINGS. THAT'S THAT WAS INTERESTING TO LISTEN TO. ON THE SUBJECT OF PARKS, FIRST, THANK YOU FOR FINALLY GETTING I SHOULDN'T DON'T BE NEGATIVE, MAN. THANK YOU FOR GETTING CAUGHT. ONE AT AT MEMORIAL PARK TENNIS. THANK YOU FOR GETTING THAT FIXED.THOSE PUDDLES SAT FOR OVER 40 YEARS ON THAT ONE SIDE. GOOD JOB. AND THE COURT JUST GOT RESURFACED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE REASON I'M HERE, THE REASON YOU GOT ME OFF THE COUCH. YEAH.
I DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT. OH, WE GOT TEN TIMES AS MUCH AS WE NEED. DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY OF THAT. BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT A MAP FROM THE AIR, IT DON'T LOOK LIKE THAT. AND IF YOU TAKE OUT JUST THE PASSIVE STUFF THAT NOBODY REALLY GETS OUT INTO, IT'S ANOTHER THING.
BUT HERE'S WHY I'M HERE. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT OUR PARKS AND RECREATION LAND. WHAT IS THE MOST VALUABLE TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANT TO CHANGE OUR COMMUNITY? AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT IN POWER RIGHT NOW. AND SPECIFICALLY, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE EPICENTER OF TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THAT TRAIN STATION SOONER OR LATER. SO YOU NEED TO DO A GREAT JOB OF TYING UP THE BALL FIELDS AND THE TENNIS COURTS AND EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN AROUND THERE TO PREVENT THE HIGH DENSITY, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT WHERE NO ONE HAS TO USE A CAR. OKAY, THIS THESE GLOBALIST AGENDA FORCED ON EVERYBODY WHILE YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT POWERS THE STATE TAKES AWAY FROM YOU NEXT MONTH. ALL RIGHT.
SO HOW DO WE TIE UP THE BALL FIELDS AND THE TENNIS COURT AT THE EPICENTER OF THAT TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, SOMEBODY'S PIPE DREAM OF HOW THEY WANT THE OUR SMALL TOWN TO BE SOMETHING VERY DENSE AND SOMETHING VERY INTENSE AROUND THIS REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. SO PUT THAT ON YOUR PLATE, PLEASE, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, WE TIE UP THAT LAND THAT WE HAVE. NOW, LET'S I KNOW IT'S GREAT TO LOOK OUT AND GET MORE, BUT WHAT NEEDS THE MOST PROTECTION NOW? AND I SAY THAT'S IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE MOST VALUED AND COVETED BY THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO CHANGE OUR TOWN. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? CLAY SHEARER. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS CLAY SHEARER, 200 SOUTHEAST, FOUR WINDS DRIVE. STEWART I'M ON THIS
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PARTICULAR MOTION OR THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. I WOULD ASK YOU OR REQUEST YOU TO CONSIDER ASKING THE CITY STAFF TO MAYBE PUT SOME PUT A MAP OR A BIT OF A PLAN TOGETHER, A STRATEGY AROUND TREE PLANTING THAT COULD BE SUPPORTED BY THIS FUNDING SOURCE AND TO HELP US RESTORE, REESTABLISH OUR URBAN CANOPY, URBAN FOREST. EVERYONE BENEFITS FROM THAT IN THE CITY, AND IT'S ON THE ORDER OF SOMETHING. AND PLEASE DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS. BUT FOR A TEN YEAR PERIOD, IF YOU HAD A REALLY GOOD PROGRAM OF I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE THREE 400,000 A YEAR TO THE TREE PLANTING. IN THE TEN YEARS WE'D HAVE A MAGNIFICENT URBAN CANOPY. SO I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT AGAIN, DON'T HOLD ME TO THE NUMBER. BUT SOME FOLKS, SOME SMART FOLKS NEED TO DO SOME MATH AND DO SOME WORKING OUT FOR WHAT THAT PLAN MIGHT LOOK LIKE. BUT I'M ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER REQUESTING THAT STRATEGY BE PUT TOGETHER AS PART OF THIS EFFORT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENT, MAYOR. OKAY. COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? I THOUGHT THE TREE STUFF WAS GOING TO BE THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING TREE PROGRAM. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT. SO THE CRA HAS A TREE PROGRAM THAT A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER CAN CONTACT THE CRA TO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL TREE PLANTED ON THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY. THE TREE PROGRAM THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING AT THE D AND D AT THE LAST MEETING, AND I DESCRIBED 10TH STREET AND I SAID, THE SIDEWALK ON 10TH STREET THAT GOES IN FRONT OF TWO PUBLIC SCHOOLS, CROSSES PALM BEACH ROAD IS LITERALLY A DESERT. AND THOSE KIDS ARE IN THAT SIDEWALK ROASTING. SO WHAT I WAS PROPOSING IS COMING BACK WITH A CANOPY PLAN THAT WOULD GO FROM MONTEREY ON 10TH STREET, ALL THE WAY TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS AT THE END OF 10TH STREET. YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER ON THE WEST SIDE OF PALM BEACH ROAD. THE DISTINCTION HERE IS THAT THOSE TREES WOULDN'T BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. THOSE TREES WOULD BE IN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY, AND THE CITY WOULD BE THE OWNER OF THOSE TREES. NOW, IT'S NOT AS EASY AS SNAPPING YOUR FINGERS BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT KIND OF TREES WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOILS LIKE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WATER IS LIKE. I DON'T WHAT THE DRAINAGE IS LIKE. AND WHAT I ALSO KNOW IS THAT WHEN WE HAD THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SAY THAT THEY WANTED SIDEWALKS, THAT WHEN WE GOT HERE AND SAID, GREAT, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT FOR YOU, THEY SAID, WELL, THAT'S GREAT, BUT WE WANTED TO CROSS THE STREET BECAUSE I LIKE TO PARK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. I DON'T WANT YOU TO PUT IT RIGHT THERE. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME GIVE AND TAKE ON THE TREE THING TOO, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO THE SAME THING THAT PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THAT'S GREAT. JUST PUT THE TREE IN MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD. AND, AND SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME PUBLIC INPUT AND SOME, SOME. WELL, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT. WE HAD BROUGHT IT UP AND IT'S TECHNICALLY 10TH STREET. TRAFFIC CALMING IS IN THE WORKS. THE TREES ARE JUST WAS A THING I THREW ON AS PART OF THE THING THAT WOULD MAKE IT BETTER FOR PEDESTRIANS, AND I BROUGHT IT UP THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO INCLUDE IT IN THIS HALF-CENT SALES WITH YOUR DIRECTION. THE COMMISSION DID IN FACT REACH A CONSENSUS, AS FAR AS I WAS CONCERNED, THAT EVERYBODY SUPPORTED STAFF BRINGING BACK TREE PROGRAM IDEAS. SO IT'S MY INTENTION TO PURSUE THAT. YEAH, MAYOR, THERE'S SO MANY PROJECTS AND SO LITTLE MONEY. MAYOR, CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO THE CITY MANAGER'S COMMENT? AND I WANTED TO JUST BRING OUT THAT THE CRA IS WORKING ON A TREE MASTER PLAN FOR THE CRA PROPERTIES, IN HAVING PARTICIPATED IN THIS KIND OF PROCESS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.IT MAKES GOOD SENSE TO ME BEING ABLE TO TAKE THAT PALETTE THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED BY THAT STUDY AND THEN SIMPLY REPLICATING THOSE SPECIES AND THAT THOSE DESIGN IDEAS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY. BUT THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT PLAN RIGHT NOW. WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO NEED MONEY TO BUY TREES. YEAH, YEAH. WELL, WE HAD 10 MILLION IN THE CRA BUDGET AS WELL TO DESIGN A BRIGHTLINE STATION, WHICH THE CITY IS NOT DOING THAT. SO BUT IT THAT'S TRUE. BUT WE DID SPEND $10 MILLION ON GUY DAVIS PARK AND $10 MILLION ON UNDERGROUNDING OF THE POWER LINES. CORRECT. THAT'S ALL. COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES. WITH REGARD TO RESOLUTION 57 2025, THE BOTTOM OF THE RESOLUTION THAT'S PROPOSED TO US, IF I COULD JUST READ THAT THE CITY, THE CITY COMMISSION IS ASKING THAT IN SECTION TWO, IT SAYS THAT THE CITY OF STUART HEREBY AUTHORIZES THE CITY MANAGER, OR DESIGNEE, TO IDENTIFY AND PURSUE PROJECTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2012 .0550552 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES. I WANT TO ASK YOU WHAT WHAT THAT IS. OH, THAT
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HAS TO DO WITH THE HALF CENT SALES AUTHORIZATION PARAGRAPH THAT AUTHORIZES US AND SAYS THAT WE CAN ACQUIRE LAND BUT CAN'T PAY FOR MAINTENANCE, AND WE CAN DO CERTAIN THINGS, BUT CAN'T PAY FOR PERSONNEL COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S IN THE FIFTH WHERE IT'S IN THE WHEREAS CLAUSE RIGHT ABOVE IT IN THE FIFTH ONE UP. OKAY, I'M JUST READING THIS PART DOWN HERE UTILIZING PROCEEDS GENERATED FROM THE HALF CENT TAX. AND THE OTHER PART SAYS CITY MANAGER, IS FURTHER AUTHORIZED TO PURSUE GRANTS AND UTILIZE BEST FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT PRACTICES TO LEVERAGE THE REVENUES GENERATED FROM THE SURTAX IN A MANNER THAT MOST EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY FACILITATES A PUBLIC INTENT AND PURPOSES PRESCRIBED HEREIN. AND THE ACTUAL TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH IS THE THING THAT WE. IF WE WERE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION, IS THAT WE'RE AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE TO PURSUE QUALIFYING FIXED CAPITAL EXPENDITURES AND OUTLAY PROJECTS UTILIZING PROCEEDS FROM THE HALF-CENT INFRASTRUCTURE SALES TAX APPROVED BY THE VOTERS OF MARTIN COUNTY AND THE CITY OF STUART IN THE 2024 GENERAL ELECTION, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND SO ON. SO I WANT TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THE DISCUSSION IS DONE, BUT IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, IN LIGHT OF ALL THE DETAIL THAT'S IN THE RESOLUTION ITSELF AND THE SPECIFIC TITLE OF THE RESOLUTION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, A MOTION THERE IS A MOTION. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THE MOTION IS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS, WHICH IS I REMEMBER NOW, THAT'S WHY I'M GOING THROUGH THIS, IF THAT'S EXACTLY WITHOUT NONE OF THESE CHANGES IN MIDSTREAM, I'LL BE GOING ALONG WITH THAT. BUT IF THERE'S ALL KINDS OF CHANGES IN MIDSTREAM, SO. OKAY, MR. VICE, MR. VICE MAYOR, SO TO GIVE MORE CONTEXT, RIGHT. THE DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING NOW IS WHAT IS A QUALIFYING FIXED CAPITAL EXPENDITURE. RIGHT. WHAT KIND OF PROJECTS ARE WE SEEKING FOR HIM TO BE SEEKING. SO I OFFERED UP THIS LOOKING AT INVESTING INTO THAT TWO ACRES AS A PARK. WE'VE HEARD FEEDBACK ABOUT THE TREE PLANTING. I WOULD BE AT LEAST OPEN TO EXPANDING OUR EXISTING TREE PROGRAM TO CITYWIDE, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A HUGE EXPENDITURE, AND YOU'RE NOT FORCING ANYBODY TO HAVE TREES ON WHAT THEY MIGHT PERCEIVE AS THEIR PROPERTY. I DO SEE YOU COULD GET SOME PUSHBACK IF I HAVE SOME REALLY NICE FRUIT TREES ON THAT RIGHT OF WAY, AND I WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE AN OAK TREE, YOU KNOW. BUT YOU LIKE LEMON DROP MANGOSTEEN. I GOT THE GOOD STUFF. SO NOT TO PROMPT YOU, BUT THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE, IF THERE'S LIKE A TOP 2 OR 3 THINGS THAT YOU REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE NOW IS KIND OF WHERE WE COULD GENERATE SOME CONSENSUS TO DRIVE ME IN A DIRECTION. YEAH, THAT IS EXACTLY. I'M LOOKING FOR SOME CONSENSUS ITEMS, AND I THINK THAT THE PARK HAD THE TREES AND A LIST OF SOME POTENTIAL STORMWATER WILL COME BACK. I CAN GIVE YOU GUYS THAT SO FAR, BASED UPON THE COMMUNICATIONS WE'VE HAD, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TOO BIG OF A CAN OF WORMS TO OPEN RIGHT NOW, BUT ALONG FRANK'S LINE OF CAN I JUST SEE COMMISSIONER CLARK IS DONE WITH HER REMARKS. THEY FLOW. OKAY, COMMISSIONER JOB. ACTUALLY, YOU WERE NEXT. I WAS WAITING FOR THE VICE MAYOR TO ELABORATE ON HIS. THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE DISCUSSION. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING FOR THE VICE MAYOR TO THEN BE ABLE TO ADJUST OR CHANGE HIS MOTION BASED ON FEEDBACK OR FEEDBACK. DO YOU HAVE SOME FEEDBACK? NO YOU DON'T. OKAY, SO I AGREE WITH ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED. YES. SO THEN ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT FRANK HAD MENTIONED, IT'S KIND OF A CAN OF WORMS. BUT THE GARAGE PROPERTY, THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE PARCELS. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THERE IS THE GARAGE ON IT. WE HAD DISCUSSED MOVING THE GARAGE, BUT POTENTIALLY THAT'S ONE OF THOSE PARCELS. WE ALREADY OWN IT. WE OWN IT. A DEDICATING THAT AS A PARK, HAVING THAT BE A PARK. SO IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, WITH WE CAN'T DO THAT WHILE WE'RE USING IT AS THE GARAGE. RIGHT. BUT AGAIN THE COMMISSION CAN. SO THE CAN OF WORMS WOULD BE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE OF THAT MOVING. AND THEN SECONDARILY, WE COULD SELL IT TO THE HALF CENT SALES TAX FOR $15 MILLION. A LITTLE SELF-DEALING.IT'S A MONEY OUT OF THE COUNTY, NAKED GREEN. AND THEY CAN MAINTAIN MAINTAIN IT. RIGHT. BUT
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THAT WAY THAT COULD BE A PARK AND NOT SOME COMMERCIAL THING LATER. LIKE, YOU KNOW, TO FRANK'S POINT, RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY TIMELINE ON WHEN THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? WELL, SO WE STARTED GOING THROUGH THE DESIGN TO PUT THE GARAGE AT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, AND THE DEP WON'T LET US HAVE FUEL AT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. SO THEN LAND ACQUISITION STARTS SHIFTING AROUND, AND WE STARTED LOOKING INTO PUTTING TRUCKS AT THE AT THE LANDFILL. BUT WE'RE KIND OF ON A STANDBY BECAUSE THE COMMISSION HAD ALREADY ALLOWED FOR SOME DUE DILIGENCE TO TAKE PLACE. BUT EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS TAKING PLACE, PETER WAS STILL MOVING FORWARD IN COMMUNICATING WITH DEP ABOUT POTENTIALLY HAVING THAT BE A GAS STATION OR FILLING AREA FOR OUR GARBAGE TRUCKS THAT HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY OUT TO PALM CITY AT THE END OF EVERY DAY ANYWAY. AND THEN WHEN THEY CAME BACK IN, INSTEAD OF DRIVING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE GARAGE SITE, THEY COULD JUST STOP RIGHT THERE ON MONTEREY ROAD AND THE GUYS COULD GET THEIR CARS AND GO HOME OR DO WHATEVER. SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING INTO IT, BUT THERE'S DESIGN, AND EVEN IF WE HAD THE DESIGN, IT WOULD BE A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE WE WOULD BE DOING ANYTHING CLOSE. AND OF COURSE, MILTON LIKES TO BE RIGHT THERE AT THAT SPOT. SO. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? AND THEN ALONG THAT SAME LINES AROUND THE STATION, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING MORE WE NEEDED TO DO WITH REGARD TO THE PARKS IN TERMS OF INVESTMENT, TO MAKE THAT LESS LIKELY TO TURN INTO TOD OR HAVE THAT BE REFERENCED? THIS IS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION. TO HAVE THAT BE REFERENCED, WE OWN IT.CAN'T HEAR RIGHT NOW. I KNOW WE OWN IT, BUT IN TERMS OF INVESTING MONEY INTO THESE PARTICULAR PARKS, RIGHT? AS A HEDGE IN MY EXAMPLE AND FRANK'S EXAMPLE AS A HEDGE AGAINST IT BECOMING TOD. SO. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REMARKS? SURE. FOR NOW. OKAY. BUT I COULD REAR BACK UP AT ANY. I THOUGHT YOUR IDEA ABOUT PUBLIC INPUT WAS A GOOD ONE, AND PERHAPS THE COMMISSIONERS COULD GO AROUND TO EACH OF THESE PARKS AND TAKE A LOOK AT THEM. AND THOSE PARKS THEY THOUGHT MAYBE COULD BENEFIT FROM ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT, MAYBE JUST WALK BRIEFLY AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE AND UNDERSTAND WHETHER THEY USE IT OR THEY DON'T, AND WHY OR WHY NOT. RATHER THAN MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT. AND I APPRECIATE HAVING THIS. LISTEN, I WILL BE DOING THAT MYSELF. SO THE IDEA OF PUBLIC INPUT IS A GOOD ONE. WE CERTAINLY COULD DO IT ON AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL AND THEN PROVIDE MIKE WITH OUR OWN WISH LIST. AND HE COULD CALL THAT TO A DEGREE, OR WE COULD GO THROUGH OUR WISH LIST TOGETHER ON THE DAIS AT SOME FUTURE DATE. DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT NOW? THE ONLY INPUT I HAVE IS I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST IN TURNING THAT TWO ACRES INTO A TRAILHEAD, BECAUSE YOU WANT IT TO BE APARTMENTS, BECAUSE, NO, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE APARTMENTS AT ALL. NO, NOT AT ALL. YOU DO.
I WANTED WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T WANT TO EMPHASIZE SOMETHING WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT WOULD COST US. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO A TURN OUT LANE THERE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO AGREE TO INCUR COSTS THAT I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY COULD BE. THERE IS A TRAILHEAD TO THAT PARK ALREADY IF YOU WANT TO IMPROVE THAT. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME, BUT I DON'T NEED TO PUT A TRAILHEAD TO PUT A GREEN OASIS ON THE SINGLE BUSIEST STREET IN THE CITY. I MEAN, I'D BE WORRIED IF I WENT THERE WITH MY CHILDREN AND I TURNED MY BACK AROUND. THE KID RAN OUT IN THE ROAD. I MEAN, I JUST AND IF A LESSEE ON THAT SITE COULD HELP DEFRAY THE COST OF MAINTAINING THAT PARK AND UPGRADING THAT PARK, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE SO DETERMINED TO COST THE TAXPAYERS AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE. WE PUT UNDER THREAT $700,000 TONIGHT FOR LANGUAGE, AND NOW WE'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO LOOK AT WHAT POTENTIAL REVENUE WE COULD GENERATE FROM 2% OF THAT. IT'S JUST 2% OF THAT PARK. AND IF IT COULD GENERATE MONEY TO DEFRAY, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MAINTENANCE COSTS, THESE PARKS, IT'S VERY CONSIDERABLE. AND IF WE CAN GET SOME HELP AND PUT IT ON THE BUSIEST ROAD IN THE CITY, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO AT LEAST EXAMINE THAT POTENTIAL. SO I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD COME BACK TO THE BOARD THOUGH.
SO IF MIKE BROUGHT IT BACK AND IT'S XYZ, IF IT'S TOO MUCH, THEN I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M ASKING. YEAH. BEFORE WE EMPHASIZE OR MAKE ANY DECISION, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD INVESTIGATE AS WE GO. WE WOULD NOT MOVE IN A DIRECTION BECAUSE IT COULD COST US TOO MUCH. WE HAVE MONEY TO INVEST. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. OKAY. ANY
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OTHER? YEAH. KIPLINGER. THE KIPLINGER PARK AT THE BASE OF THE BRIDGE. RIGHT. OH, OKAY.YEAH, THAT'S A VERY BUSY HIGHWAY. AND IT IS A BLESSING TO HAVE THAT LITTLE GREEN OASIS OVER THERE. WOULD YOU DISAGREE? HAVE YOU BEEN OVER THERE? OH, I'VE WALKED THERE MANY TIMES.
THAT IS THAT IS WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING HERE. THAT IS SUCH A BLESSING TO FAMILIES WHO ARE HERE. THE PARK HAS A TRAILHEAD AND IT'S A NICE ONE. IT COULD BE IMPROVED, I AGREE, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE ON US. ONE. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE NOT WILLING TO FOREGO THAT REVENUE IF IT CAN DEFRAY HELP THE TAXPAYERS SAVE MONEY. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER IT. SO YOU WOULD RATHER I'M GOING TO. I'M GOING TO NAIL YOU FOR THIS RIGHT NOW. YOU WOULD RATHER THAT BE A CAR WASH APARTMENTS? IT WAS GOING TO BE A POPEYE'S CHICKEN. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE ON THAT TWO ACRE CARVE OUT IN HANEY CREEK THAN MAKING THAT A PARK. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT WITH IT BEING A POPEYE'S. NO, I DON'T, NOT ON THAT ROAD. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO STAND IN FRONT OF THE RIVERS COALITION OR ANY OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP THAT YOU ATTEND AND SAY THAT, OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. VICE MAYOR. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR COLLINS. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR COLLINS. OKAY, COULD YOU REREAD THE MOTION, PLEASE? MADAM CLERK WHAT I HAVE IS MOVE THE RESOLUTION AND GIVE MIKE ABILITY TO START HEAD HUNTING LAND TO PRIORITIZE. THOSE ARE THE WORDS. YEAH, I COULD BE A LITTLE MORE GRACEFUL. YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY. AND PRIORITIZE. GREEN SPACE NORTH OF BRIDGE TO BE A TRAILHEAD AT HANEY CREEK. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION TO ALSO INCLUDE EXPANDING THE EXISTING TREE PLANTING PROGRAM TO CITYWIDE. SO IT WOULD BE THE YOU FEEL THE NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING AGAIN. IT'S OKAY IF YOU WANT. DID YOU THINK THAT WAS AN IMPLICIT WHAT WE JUST SAID TO HIM? WELL, THAT WAS NOT A PART OF THE MOTION. SO AMENDING IT.
SO THE NATURE OF THE MOTION, YES, IS JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. LOOKING AT TURNING THAT TWO ACRES INTO A PARK AND TRAILHEAD ON US ONE, AND THEN ALSO EXPANDING THE EXISTING TREE PLANTING PROGRAM CITYWIDE AS TWO OBJECTIVES TO SPEND THE HALF CENT SALES TAX MONEY ON. BUT THE PRIMARY WOULD BE ACQUIRING LAND AS PER THE LANGUAGE IN THE. AND THE BALLOT. I WILL CLEAR TO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS. YES, AND I WILL. SECOND THE AMENDED EMOTION, THE AMENDED MOTION.
OKAY. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AMENDED MOTION? YES. ARE YOU? FLAMINGO AVENUE NOW? I'M ALL FOR THE TREE PLANTING. BUT YOU'RE SAYING CRA MONEY. WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT DON'T LIVE ON THE HALF CENT SALES TAX? WE'RE USING THE WE'RE USING THE CRA TREE PROGRAM AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT THIS WOULD BE HALF CENT SALES CITYWIDE. AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE WHEN I BOUGHT WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FROM THE WATER METER, THE CITY WATER METER ON THE BACK OF IT IS WHERE MY PROPERTY STARTS, FROM THE BACK OF IT TO THE ROAD IS CITY RIGHT OF WAY. THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. YEAH. SO THEN YOU COULD COME ON FLAMINGO AVENUE AND PLANT TREES SO THAT THE CRA PROGRAM THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW IS THE HOMEOWNER PUTS IT ON PRIVATE LAND, REQUESTS IT TO BE ON THEIR PROPERTY. NOT THE FIRST QUESTION, THOUGH, ONLY IN THE CRA AREA. FLAMINGO AVENUE IS NOT ON THE CRA RIGHT NOW. SO THE CURRENT PROGRAM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS A PRIVATE PROPERTY TREE PROGRAM. YEAH. THE ONE THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED AND PROPOSED IS A PUBLIC PROPERTY TREE PROGRAM, WHICH WOULDN'T BE GOING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT INSTEAD WOULD BE GOING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO IT'S KIND OF THE FLIP OF IT. NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING. I'M TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING THE EXISTING PROGRAM CITYWIDE, SO IT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IF THAT, IF THAT PERSON DESIRED. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TAKING RIGHT OF WAY AND PUTTING THE ONE WE DISCUSSED AS IT RELATED TO THE 10TH STREET CORRIDOR WAS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THE NATURE OF THIS MOTION IS NOT NOT THAT. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. ON YOUR LEFT HAND, YOU'RE SAYING WE WANT THE TREE PROGRAM, THE CRA HAS THE MONEY, AND MARY IS SAYING, CITY MANAGER, EXCUSE ME. HE ON 10TH STREET. THAT'S CITY PROPERTY. MY QUESTION IS, THE 10TH STREET PROJECT WOULD BE A SEPARATE PROJECT FROM WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. WHAT ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY? YOU CAN'T PLANT A TREE THERE. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. YOU'RE SAYING
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YOU YOU LEFT DEFENSE. BUT YOU CAN PLANT A TREE, RIGHT? YOU CAN PLANT A TREE THERE IN YOUR I KNOW I BUT NO I CAN'T. YOU'RE TECHNICALLY ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION. NO, TECHNICALLY, THE CITY CODE PREVENTS YOU FROM PLANTING A TREE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. I HAD, I KNOW, BECAUSE WHEN I, I DON'T DO ANYTHING UNLESS I CHECK THE LAW, AND I HAVE. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE I LIVE, I GOT THOSE PALM TREES AND I MADE SURE MY PALM TREES WERE. AND WHAT WHAT WAS THE BIGGER CONCERN WASN'T SO MUCH AS THE RESIDENT PLANTING IT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. AS MUCH AS THE RESIDENT NOT WANTING US TO PLANT IT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PARK THEIR CARS THERE, THEY WANT TO. YEAH, I KNOW I'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THAT BECAUSE I HAD PLANTED IT WHEN I FIRST MOVED THERE, A TREE ON THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY, AND I HAD TO CUT IT AND WE WERE DOING A SIDEWALK AND ON STREET PARKING PROJECT NORTH OF THE BRIDGE IN THE CRA, AND WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM SOMEBODY THAT SAW WHERE GREEN WAS REMOVED OR TREES WERE CUT DOWN AND LEFT TO DIE, BUT THOSE TREES HAD BEEN IMPROPERLY PARKED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND HAD TO BE CUT DOWN TO BE LEFT TO DIE, BECAUSE THEY WERE BECOMING THE SIDEWALK AND PARKING SPACES. AND THE HOMEOWNER WAS PROBABLY FRUSTRATED BY IT. BUT THAT'S THE THAT'S THE RISK OF I DO MY HOMEWORK AND THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE NOT MAKING SENSE. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT THEN DECLARE THE WHOLE CITY CRA. THAT WOULD MAKE IT. IT WOULD? YEAH, IT WOULD HELP US ALL OUT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. ALAN.FRANK. GRINCH MCCHRYSTAL. FLAMINGO AVENUE. STUART. SO THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION, I KNOW IT'S ABOUT PARKS, BUT SO I'M HEARING THREE THREE AVENUES BUYING LAND TO DO NEW STUFF, IMPROVING WHAT WE HAVE AND THEN INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE STUFF. AND. IT'S KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A KID AND YOU WANT THE YOU WANT THE BIG SHINY THING FOR UNDER THE TREE. AND THEN YOU GET SOCKS AND UNDERWEAR, OKAY. BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH MONEY AND YOU NEED THE SOCKS AND THE UNDERWEAR.
WELL, DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE, IF THAT IS PART OF THIS THING, THEN BOOM. THIRD OF THE MONEY FOR STUFF THAT IS NEEDED, NOT WANTS. OKAY, THAT'S MY OPINION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL PUBLIC? MADAM CLERK, THERE ARE NORMAL PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS REGARDING THIS? IS IT CLEAR WHAT THE COMMISSIONER, CLERK, THE CLERK READ THE MOTION. SHE JUST DID. I'M SO SORRY MARY WAS DOING THIS, SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO READ HER NOTES. BUT IT WAS A MOTION TO. IT WAS A MOTION TO. LORD. AUTHORIZE MIKE TO. I'M SORRY. I'M TRYING TO FIND IT. SO I READ IT. HOW SHE WROTE IT. IT WAS A MOVE THE RESOLUTION AND GIVE MIKE THE ABILITY TO START HEAD HUNTING LAND TO BUY AND PRIORITIZE GREEN SPACE NORTH OF THE BRIDGE, TO BE A TRAILHEAD AT THE HANEY CREEK. AND THEN HE HE AMENDED HIS MOTION TO EXPAND THE TREE PROGRAM CITYWIDE TO SPEND HALF THE SALES TAX AS PER THE LANGUAGE IN THE RESOLUTION. WE ALSO HAVE IT ON RECORDING. WE CAN GO BACK AND LISTEN TO IT AS WELL TO CORRECT IT IF NEEDED.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, MR. VICE MAYOR? YEAH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT TWO ACRES THAT WAS KIND OF LEFT OUT, BUT THAT TWO ACRES IS SPECIFICALLY WHAT I'M REFERRING TO, TURNING TWO ACRES TO TRAILHEADS INTO EFFECT AND SALES TAX EARLY AND LATE. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. WHAT'S THE. WHAT'S THE VERB THE CITY OWNED TO EXAMINE, TO BEGIN PURSUING THIS IS WE'RE GIVING HIM A LAUNDRY LIST OF OFF TOP WISH LIST OF WHAT TO START LOOKING AT, AND OTHER PROJECTS MAY COME UP. SURE, BUT THIS IS WE'RE GIVING HIM SOME DIRECTION. THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE INCLUSIVE, RIGHT? RIGHT. THERE WE GO. IT'S NOT INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO. IT'S NOT THE ONLY THING WE'RE DOING RIGHT. OKAY. SOME DIRECTION TO BEGIN. OKAY. ARE WE ALL CLEAR? VERY CRYSTAL. OKAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. OH, THERE. MADAM CLERK, I'M SORRY I HAD TO EXCUSE MYSELF FOR A MOMENT. MAYOR RICH. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. I WAS GOING TO SAY YES ANYWAY. YOU SURE? OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO THROW A NO OUT THERE. I MEAN, LIKE, I WANT TO HAVE A LONGER PAUSE.
YES, YES. OKAY. COMMISSIONER DOBEY. YES, COMMISSIONER REED. YES. VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES.
THE MOTION PASSES. SEE? NO OTHER ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION. I HAD I HAD ONE THING, I HAD ONE THING.
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AND THIS MIGHT BE FOR MIKE. SO IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES, SPECIFICALLY CHAPTER TWO, ARTICLE TWO, CITY COMMISSION, THERE'S A SECTION CALLED 2.50 ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION. AND I WANT TO KNOW THE BEST ABILITY SOMETIMES BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC RIGHT. IF THERE'S 100 PUBLIC THAT'S HARD TO ADDRESS IT. AND MY PLAN IS NOT TO CHANGE THE CODE OF ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT'S SPECIFICALLY STATES IT'S PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOT FOR DEBATE. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND SENTENCE, I BELIEVE IT SAYS QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS WILL BE FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES ONLY. WHO GIVES THAT CLARIFICATION? IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT THE CLARIFICATION OR STAFF YOUR IF I CAME IN AND SAID I WANT YOU TO FIX STORMWATER, YOUR QUESTION MIGHT BE WHAT ROAD FOR CLARIFICATION NOT START GETTING INTO DEBATE WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT YOU DID LAST YEAR IN STORMWATER. RIGHT? SO YOU'RE CLARIFYING THEIR PUBLIC COMMENT, NOT DEBATING THE MERITS OF THEIR PUBLIC COMMENT. SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE I'M SHUT DOWN FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES FROM THE CHAIR HERE. AND MY QUESTION IS, SHOULD I BE MAKING A MOTION TO THE BOARD TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE, OR DO I JUST GET SHUT DOWN AND I'M NOT ABLE TO RESPOND? AND THEN HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO REACH OUT TO PUBLIC COMMENT? DO I SAY, HEY, WHAT'S YOUR PHONE NUMBER? WHAT'S YOUR EMAIL? REACH OUT TO ME. WE ACTUALLY GET THEM TO FILL OUT A GREEN CARD EVERY DAY. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE NOT ALWAYS SPECIFIC, MAYOR RICH ON THAT, BECAUSE SOMETIMES I HAVE TO GO DIGGING FOR IT AND I'M JUST TRYING TO LEARN THE PROCESS. JUST LIKE I'M SURE YOU LEARN THE PROCESS WHEN YOU WERE JUST ELECTED. AND SURE, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST A YEAR AND I'VE LEARNED A LOT IN MY YEAR TIME HERE. I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE MOST APPROPRIATE WAY, AND I THINK I GOT MY ANSWER. I CAN GO EITHER DIRECTION. I CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENED. LAST MEETING. HERE WE GO AGAIN. WE SEE WHAT HAPPENED. WELL I'M FINISHED.OKAY, SO I UNDERSTAND. I DON'T NEED ANY MORE INPUT FROM YOU. I'M BETTER OFF GOING TO THE CLERKS AND GETTING THOSE PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS OR MAKING A MOTION. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.