Jul 14, 2025 Regular City Commission Meeting

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FROM THE STUART POLICE DEPARTMENT. STAN. MR. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY ATTORNEY. THANK YOU. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE PEOPLE OF THE CITIZENS OF STUART. I THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU AND TO BRING THE PRESENCE OF THE ALMIGHTY INTO THIS PROCEEDING. LET'S GO BEFORE THE LORD OUR GOD AND OUR FATHER, GREAT CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE.

YOU RAISE UP LEADERS TO BRING THEIR HEAD ABOVE THE CROWD, AND TO DO THE THINGS THAT MOST PEOPLE FIND TOO DIFFICULT TO DO. I ASK YOUR WISDOM, GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION ON EACH ONE OF OUR LEADERS UP HERE THAT WE HAVE ELECTED TO TAKE CARE OF THE BUSINESS OF EVERYDAY LIFE. WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY RIGHT NOW THAT'S BEING TORN APART. WE'RE ALMOST SPLIT RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE IN TWO DIFFERENT FACTIONS. YOUR WORD TELLS US THAT A HOUSE DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF CANNOT STAND. LORD, WE ASK FOR YOUR INTERVENTION. BRING US BACK TOGETHER IN PEACE AND UNITY. HELP US TO UNDERSTAND YOUR PLAN FOR THIS GREAT NATION. BLESS THIS CITY AND ALL THE PROCEEDINGS WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE TODAY. LET WISDOM PREVAIL IN EVERYTHING WE DO. ALL THIS WE PRAY IN YOUR PRECIOUS NAME. AMEN. WILL YOU PLEASE JOIN ME NOW IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU.

PLEASE BE SEATED. THANK YOU. PROCLAMATIONS. MR. BAGGOTT, WILL YOU READ OUR FIRST PROCLAMATION,

[PROCLAMATIONS]

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YES. YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. MR. BAGGETT. ITEM NUMBER TWO, PLEASE. PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH JULY 2025. WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY, INCLUDING THE CITY OF STUART AND PARKS AND RECREATION, PROMOTES HEALTH AND WELLNESS, IMPROVING THE PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR PARKS.

ENCOURAGES PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES BY PROVIDING SPACE FOR POPULAR SPORTS, HIKING TRAILS, FITNESS PROGRAMS, AND MANY OTHER ACTIVITIES DESIGNED TO PROMOTE ACTIVE LIFESTYLES. AND WHEREAS, PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMING AND EDUCATION ACTIVITIES SUCH AS OUT OF SCHOOL TIME PROGRAMING, YOUTH SPORTS, ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SOCIALIZATION ARE CRITICAL TO CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT, PARKS AND RECREATION INCREASES A COMMUNITY'S ECONOMIC PROSPERITY THROUGH INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES, EXPANSION OF THE LOCAL TAX BASE, INCREASED TOURISM, THE ATTRACTION AND RETENTION OF BUSINESSES, AND CRIME REDUCTION. AND WHEREAS, PARKS AND RECREATION AREAS ARE FUNDAMENTAL TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL WELL-BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY, PARKS AND NATURAL RECREATION AREAS IMPROVE WATER QUALITY, PROTECT GROUNDWATER, PREVENT FLOODING,

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THANK YOU. OH, THERE WE GO. GOOD EVENING. FOR 40 YEARS, THE NATION HAS CELEBRATED PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH IN JULY TO PROMOTE BUILDING STRONG, BUILDING STRONG, VIBRANT AND RESILIENT COMMUNITIES THROUGH THE POWER OF PARKS AND RECREATION. THIS MONTH IS DEDICATED TO RECOGNIZING AND CELEBRATING THE MORE, THE MORE THAN THE 160,000 FULL TIME PARK AND RECREATION PROFESSIONALS, ALONG WITH HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PART TIME AND SEASONAL WORKERS AND VOLUNTEERS WHO MAINTAIN OUR COUNTRY'S LOCAL, STATE AND COMMUNITY PARKS. THIS YEAR'S THEME, BUILD TOGETHER, PLAY TOGETHER, CELEBRATES HOW PARKS AND RECREATION PROFESSIONALS HELP CREATE THRIVING COMMUNITIES. SO THIS JULY, YOU CAN JOIN THE CITY OF STUART FOR PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH AS WE CELEBRATE HOW STEWARD IS STRONGER, MORE VIBRANT AND MORE RESILIENT BECAUSE OF PARKS AND RECREATION, THE CITY OF STUART RECREATION DIVISION IS CELEBRATING PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH, AN INITIATIVE OF THE NATIONAL RECREATION AND PARKS ASSOCIATION, BY INVITING OUR COMMUNITY TO SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCES, MEMORIES AND STORIES ABOUT WHAT PARKS AND RECREATION MEANS TO THEM. LOCAL PARKS AND RECREATION AGENCIES ARE UNIQUELY SUITED TO SERVE AS COMMUNITY WELLNESS HUBS, CONNECTING ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO PROGRAMS AND SERVICES THAT ADVANCE HEALTH HEALTH EQUITY, IMPROVE HEALTH OUTCOMES AND ENHANCE QUALITY OF LIFE. LOCAL PARKS AND RECREATION AGENCIES PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN THE PROTECTION OF OUR ENVIRONMENT THROUGH GREEN INFRASTRUCTURES, MAINTENANCE OF PUBLIC LANDS AND PREPARATIONS OF WILDLIFE HABITATS AND MORE. WE ARE LEADING INITIATIVES IN PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE OF ALL AGES, ABILITIES AND IDENTITIES TO ACHIEVE HEALTHIER LIFESTYLES, PROMOTE AND UNDERSTAND NATURE AND ENVIRONMENTAL RESILIENCE, AS WELL AS BRING THE COMMUNITY CLOSER THROUGH A VARIETY OF PROGRAMS AND SERVICES. WE ENCOURAGE EVERYONE IN THE CITY OF STUART TO COME TO CELEBRATE THE POWERS OF PARKS AND RECREATION WITH US THIS JULY. TO VIEW A CALENDAR OF ALL ACTIVITIES, PLEASE VISIT US AT STARTREK.COM. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

THAT'S AN OLD LEADER.

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EVERYBODY LOOK THIS WAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? MR. MAYOR? MR. CHARLES, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING LIKE WITH THE SENIOR MEAL PROGRAM OR WITH THE COMMUNITY CLEANUP THAT IS FACILITATED THROUGH THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT. THERE WAS ONE SLIDE IN THERE THAT SHOWED MISS MAY FROM OUR CONGREGATE MEAL PROGRAM. THERE IT WAS. THERE WAS A IT WAS A LOT GOING ON THERE. OKAY. TWO OF THEM. YEAH OKAY. GOOD. OKAY. DID WE GET DID WE GET HELEN IN THERE? OKAY I FELL ASLEEP. I FELL ASLEEP DURING THAT. I'M SORRY. DID YOU DO THAT WITH THAT MUSIC? ALRIGHT. THANKS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU MR. WE ONLY HAVE ONE SERVICE AWARD

[PRESENTATIONS]

THANKS. SO, MR. MORTAL, WE HAVE THE STEWARD OF VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT REPORT. I JUST WANT

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THE CITY OF STEWART'S PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AT THE TIME INCLUDED UTILITIES. THE LARGE DEPARTMENT FILED FOR A GRANT THROUGH THE STATE FOR 100% OF THE COVERAGE COST OF THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT ACTUALLY GOT THE ASSESSMENT. AND THEN LATER WE INCLUDED AN ADAPTATION PLAN. SO WE GOT AN ADDITIONAL 50,000 FOR THE PROJECT. WHAT THESE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENTS ARE IS BASICALLY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING WITH, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE PLACING BUDGETS AS FAR AS STORMWATER GOES AND PROJECTS OF THAT NATURE AND INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS IS GOING TO SPEAK TO A LOT OF THAT. AND HOPEFULLY, I HOPE BY THE END ANSWER A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT MAYBE WHICH DRAINAGE PROJECTS, WHICH NEIGHBORHOODS MIGHT BE MOST AFFECTED BY STORMS AND STORM EVENTS AND, AND FLOODING. SO VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENTS ARE HAPPENING ALL AROUND THE STATE. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT MORE THAN 90% OF FLORIDA COUNTIES ARE GOING TO BE COMPLETE WITH THEIR ASSESSMENTS BY THE END OF THE YEAR. THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS ALSO BUDGETED HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS EACH YEAR FOR THESE PROJECTS. SO THE URGENCY FOR CITIES AND COUNTIES TO GO FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT DOLLARS IS IMMEDIATE. WE NOW, AS OF THIS YEAR, QUALIFY FOR THOSE GRANTS, AND I BELIEVE THE DUE DATES ARE COMING UP PRETTY SOON IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

AND WE'LL HAVE OUR CONTRACTOR FOR THIS PROJECT, CAPTECH, WHO IS HERE, WHO WILL SPEAK MORE TO IT. THIS PRESENTATION IS A LITTLE BIT MORE TECHNICAL IN NATURE, SO I APOLOGIZE ABOUT ANY OF THAT. BUT STAFF IS GOING TO BE HERE AND SO IS THE CONTRACTOR AND THE CONSULTANT CAPTECH WHO WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU DO HAVE. BUT MY HOPE IS THAT WITH THIS PRESENTATION, WHICH IS ALSO A PART OF THE GRANT REQUIREMENT, IT'LL MAYBE ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACTS IN THE FUTURE. I'M SURE YOU ALL RECEIVE EMAILS ON A REGULAR BASIS ABOUT FLOODING, AND MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN THIS WILL SPEAK TO A LOT OF THAT. SO WITH THAT SAID, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE JOE CAPRA FROM CAPTECH, WHO WILL START THE PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO DO THIS. I HAVEN'T BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR SIX YEARS, BUT I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON SEVERAL COMPONENTS THAT ARE PROBABLY WILL BENEFIT FROM THIS STUDY. SO AGAIN, ACTUALLY I'M GOING TO HAVE JAMES KEARNS. HE'S A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. HE'S A VETERAN. HE IS GOING TO BE GIVING THE PRESENTATION. HE'S BEEN A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER WITH CAPTECH FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW. AND HE'LL GO THROUGH IT IN DETAIL. BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY DEP FOR COASTAL COMMUNITIES. IT'S BEING PAID FOR IN A GRANT BY BY DEP. ALSO, WE SHOULD RECOGNIZE THAT WE WILL BE COORDINATING AND HAVE BEEN COORDINATING THIS STUDY WITH MARTIN COUNTY. SO OBVIOUSLY INFORMATION ON THIS WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE INFORMATION THEY ARE PRESENTING TO THEIR COMMUNITY RESIDENTS AS WELL AS THEIR BOARDS AND SO FORTH. A COUPLE THINGS I JUST WANT TO GET INTO A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT MAY NOT BE EVIDENT BECAUSE IT IS A TECHNICAL PRESENTATION. I'M SURE YOU'LL BE BORED TO TEARS ON PARTS OF IT, AND SOME OF IT IS KIND OF HARD TO FOLLOW IF YOU DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO SOME OF THE UNITS, OKAY, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE TALK ABOUT ELEVATIONS THAT ARE IN ANY NABBED IN SOME. THAT'S A DATUM. OKAY. THAT'S FROM ZERO IS SEA LEVEL OKAY. AND WE MAY SAY ELEVATION THREE OR YOU MIGHT SAY A DIFFERENCE IN IN ELEVATIONS WHICH IS IN FEET. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHEN YOU GET THE WHEN YOU DO GO THROUGH THE REPORT AND SO FORTH, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THOSE THINGS AND YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, IS THAT AN ELEVATION OR IS THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION? SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S UNDERSTOOD. ESSENTIALLY, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE REPORT IS BASICALLY WE MENTIONED SEA LEVEL RISE. AND THAT'S A THAT'S BASED ON TABLES AND, AND CHARTS THAT HAVE BEEN THAT BEEN CREATED BY NOAA AND THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. AND SO YOU'LL SEE SEA LEVEL, WHICH IS AN ELEVATION, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE A RISES IN HIGH TIDE. THAT'S ONE COMPONENT OF IT. YOU SAY START WITH SEA LEVEL AND HIGH TIDE. THEN YOU HAVE STORM SURGE AND ALL OF THIS. ALL OF THIS COMES UP WITH AN ELEVATION WHICH WE CALL COMPOUND FLOODING. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE ELEMENTS IN THE STUDY THAT IF YOU IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT STRAIGHT, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY ONE PART OF IT. ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THE STUDY TALKS ABOUT CRITICAL FACILITIES. OKAY. THERE ARE REGIONAL CRITICAL FACILITIES SUCH AS

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THERE'S ABOUT FOUR DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, ONE OF THEM BEING TRANSPORTATION AND STORMWATER OKAY. AND SO THAT'S HENCE THE REASON WHY WE BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.

WE BELIEVE A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, AND WE HAVE OURSELVES BEEN UTILIZING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROJECTS AND USING VULNERABILITY OR DOLLARS FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO PAY FOR THOSE.

AND ESSENTIALLY THEY'VE GIVEN OUT MONEY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE FACILITIES, OKAY, IMPROVEMENTS AND SO FORTH. WHAT THEY'VE TOLD US NOW IS YOU HAVE TO FINISH THE STUDY, THE ONE THAT WE FINISHED FOR YOU HERE. NOW, BEFORE YOU CAN GET THOSE DOLLARS IN THE FUTURE. AND PRETTY MUCH AS WHICH IS MENTIONED THIS YEAR, 2025 TO 2026, THE STATE IS ALLOCATED $835 MILLION STATEWIDE, WHICH I KNOW IT'S A BIG STATE AND SO FORTH, BUT THEY'VE ALLOCATED 300 OR $835 MILLION FOR RESILIENCY. SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU THINK ABOUT GOING AFTER THOSE GRANT FUNDS. OKAY. AND AGAIN, THAT APPLICATION IS DUE FOR THAT $835 MILLION ON SEPTEMBER 1ST. SO YOU ONLY HAVE A COUPLE MONTHS TO DO THAT. SO I'M BRINGING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A IT'S AN ITEM THAT I KNOW IN SOME OF THE MUNICIPALITIES I'VE WORKED ON, WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING RESILIENCY MONEY. YOU'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING PLANNING MONEY, BUT WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING LARGE SUMS OF MONEY FROM THIS FUNDING SOURCE. SO WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU LOOK AT THAT. AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE CATEGORIES OF VULNERABILITY AND CRITICAL FACILITIES IS TRANSPORTATION STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. AND I BRING UP THE FACT THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REPORT, OKAY, THAT WE DID IN 2022, OKAY, 2022. AND QUITE FRANKLY, THIS IS ACTUALLY OUTDATED RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. ACTUALLY, WE'LL BE DOING ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN GETTING SO MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT SOME OF THE STORMWATER ITEMS HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND IN THIS REPORT, THERE WAS ABOUT $12 MILLION OF IMPROVEMENTS. YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO HIT A FEW OF THEM, BUT THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. SO THAT'S WHY THOSE VULNERABILITY FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO YOU. IT'S HARD TO FIND THIS MONEY. AND A LOT OF TIMES THAT MONEY COMES WITH MATCHES THAT YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE. AND OF COURSE, MOST EVERYTHING EVERY TIME WE DO TAKE YOUR MONEY AND WE BASICALLY USE IT AS A PORTION OF THE MATCH.

SOMETIMES IT'S 25%, SOMETIMES IT'S LESS THAN THAT. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE TAKE THAT AND WE LEVERAGE YOUR MONEY FOR THESE GRANTS. SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE THINK ABOUT THE GRANT ASPECT OF THIS WITHOUT GOING INTO A LOT OF DETAIL. THERE WAS SEVEN TASKS TO COMPLETE ON THIS ON THIS GRANT. OKAY. AGAIN WE LOOKED AT A PREDICTED SEA LEVEL ELEVATION.

THOSE A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED BY THE STATE IN DIFFERENT STUDIES. WE DIDN'T DO THOSE ITEMS. WHAT WE DID IS TOOK THAT INFORMATION AND RELAYED IT TO CRITICAL FACILITIES IN THE CITY OF STEWART AND MARTIN COUNTY. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL THINK, WELL, YOU CREATED SOME OF THIS STUFF. NO WE DIDN'T. WE BASICALLY TOOK THE INFORMATION FROM VARIOUS STUDIES. THEY WERE VERY SPECIFIC STATEWIDE OF WHAT THEY WANTED US TO USE, WHAT YEAR OF THE STUDY AND SO FORTH. YOU COULD READ THE PAPER TODAY AND YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT CRITICAL YOU'LL YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT SEA LEVEL RISE. AND EVERY DAY IT'S DIFFERENT ELEVATION A DIFFERENT AMOUNT. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WE WERE WE HAVE A SET DATE AND TIME OF THOSE STUDIES THAT WE UTILIZE TO CREATE THIS STUDY. SO SOME OF THEM YOU MAY SAY ARE OUTDATED, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES THEY DID STATEWIDE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ASPECT OF THIS. WHAT WE HAVE PROVIDED IN THIS, IN THIS REPORT IS NOT ONLY JUST DOC WORDING AND SO FORTH. WE TRY TO LIMIT THE WORDING. WE PROVIDED TABLES SO YOU CAN SEE COMPARISON. AND WE PROVIDED MAPS MAPS THAT YOU CAN DISTINGUISH THE INFORMATION A LITTLE BIT BETTER. SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO DISTINGUISH. WE USE THE GIS SUBCONSULTANT THAT MAPPED ALL THE INFORMATION PREDICTED THE ELEVATIONS. AND THESE ARE DONE CITYWIDE AND SO FORTH. SO AGAIN CRITICAL ASSETS, THOSE WERE DETERMINED BY A STEERING COMMITTEE THAT BASICALLY ARE KEY KEY EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY. SO THOSE WERE DONE, DONE, DONE A LITTLE WHILE AGO. AND SO THOSE SO EVERYTHING THAT'S IN HERE PRETTY MUCH WAS PROVIDED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND WE DID PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND SO FORTH. BUT ANYWAYS, WITH THAT I'M GOING TO LET JAMES GET INTO SOME DETAILS. OKAY. SOME OF THOSE DETAILS. REMEMBER MAKE SURE WE TALK ABOUT A DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION VERSUS A ACTUAL ELEVATION FROM ZERO BEING SEA LEVEL. OKAY. SO YOU WANT TO GO UP AND TALK ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU BEN JOE, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION SEEM TO BE A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE INTRODUCTION, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. SO LET'S GET INTO IT. THE REPORT OF THE SCOPE. MANY OF THIS HAS BEEN

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THERE'S A LOT OF STREETS IN AND OUT OF THE CITY THAT YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR, BUT YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THOSE IMPACTS ARE AT DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS. SO YOU CAN HELP HAVE THESE COLLABORATIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO TRY AND MITIGATE SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

DETERMINE TOPOGRAPHIC DATA AND FLOOD SCENARIO. FLOOD SCENARIO DATA WAS PROVIDED TO US BY NOAA, AND WE HAD SOME ASSISTANCE FROM MARTIN COUNTY WITH RESPECT TO TIDAL FLOODING AND STORM SURGE.

THE TOPOGRAPHIC DATA WE UTILIZE NORTH STAR GEOMATICS, WHICH USES LIDAR AND DEM, TO PROVIDE TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY OF YOUR CITY, WHICH IS THEN USED TO IMPOSE THESE FLOOD ELEVATIONS TO DETERMINE WHAT YOUR VULNERABILITIES WERE. WE DID AN EXPOSURE ANALYSIS WHICH SHOW THAT ON THE MAP, THE SENSITIVITY ANALYSIS PRETTY MUCH TAKES EVERY SINGLE ASSET YOU HAVE AND ASSIGNS A NONE LOW, MEDIUM, OR HIGH CRITICALITY TO IT. EACH ASSET IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDINGS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW CLOSE THE WATER IS TO THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION OR THE CONTROLLED FLOOD ELEVATION. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STORMWATER, UTILITIES, WATER, SEWER, LIFT STATIONS, THAT NATURE. WE WANT A PERCENTAGE EFFECT. IT WAS MUCH DIFFICULT TO QUANTIFY THE LARGE ASSET CLASS NUMBER SUCH YOU HAVE FOR THIS. SO WE DO HAVE INDIVIDUAL SHEETS FOR THAT. AND ESSENTIALLY LOW IS LESS THAN 10% 10 TO 25 AND THEN 25% ARE OVER AS HIGH. YOU PUT THIS TOGETHER OBVIOUSLY THIS REPORT AND THE NEXT STEP WILL BE WORKING WITH BEN ON IS AN ADAPTATION PLAN, WHICH IS PUTTING TOGETHER MEASURES TO HELP MITIGATE THE NEXT 20 OR 30 YEAR VULNERABLE VULNERABLE ASSESSMENTS. SO TASK ONE GO ON. CAN I JUST ITEM NUMBER FOUR, YOU SAID YOU RELIED ON NOAA DATA. AND WHAT WAS THE DATE THAT THAT THAT DATA WAS PRODUCED. SO THE DATA IS PUT AT BAY ZERO. SO IT'S NOT BASED UPON NEED WATER LEVEL. SO IT'S FEET.

SO WE GO THROUGH AND ADJUST IT FOR MEAN WATER MEAN HIGH HIGH WATER LEVEL WHICH IS THE NOAA DATUM ITSELF. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT NUMBERS. BUT WE GENERATED THAT

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OKAY. AS STATED AT THAT TIME, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE 2022 DATA. THEY DID START THIS PROGRAM IN 2019. THEY'VE MORPHED THESE REQUIREMENTS SEVERAL TIMES OVER. AND I DO BELIEVE THEY HAVE A 2022 DATA SET AVAILABLE. COULDN'T ACQUIRE IT BEFORE WE GOT HERE BECAUSE I WANTED TO SHOW YOU GUYS A COMPARISON OF THOSE TWO. BUT EVERYTHING IS 2000, EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING STANDARDIZED, I PRESUME AFTER THIS AND THEY COLLECT ALL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE DATA. YOU'RE LOOKING AT FIVE OR MAYBE TEN YEAR UPDATES. SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE SOMETHING BY 2017 IF NO WAS AROUND 2027. SORRY. I'LL BE THERE. SORRY. IT'S OKAY. CONTINUE. THIS STEERING COMMITTEE WAS ASSEMBLED ON MAY 20TH 5TH TO MAY 19TH, PRETTY MUCH REGURGITATING SOME OF THE LINE ITEMS THAT WERE FROM THE GRANT. WANTED TO FIGURE OUT WHO WAS GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN IT, WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE AND WHAT WAS THE GOALS, WHAT WAS THE DATE REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE MILESTONES? WHAT'S THE DRAFT LIST OF ASSETS AND WHAT'S THE GENERAL OUTLINE FOR DELIVERY AND TASK TWO IS TODAY CRITICAL ASSETS. THESE CATEGORIES WERE GIVEN TO US BY THE GRANTS. CITY STREETS, BRIDGES, ROADWAYS, MARINAS, AIRPORTS. WE KNOW THAT'S A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.

WE'RE ALL UTILIZING THESE SOURCES EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT ALL COMPLETELY CONTROL OVER THEM. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THAT COMPREHENSIVE LIST MOVING FORWARD. CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT KEEPS PEOPLE SAFE, RIGHT? YOU TALK ABOUT THE RECLAMATION, WATER FACILITIES, LIFT STATIONS, STORMWATER RETENTION, STORMWATER CONVEYANCE SYSTEMS, WATER INTERCONNECTS WITH YOUR NEIGHBORING UTILITIES AND ELECTRIC SUBSTATIONS, CRITICAL COMMUNITY AND EMERGENCY FACILITIES, EOC FIRE STATIONS, POLICE STATIONS, SCHOOL BOARD, PROPERTY APPRAISERS WAS A LONG, LONG LIST OF THOSE ASSETS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PROTECTED DURING AND AFTER THESE EVENTS AND THEN NATURAL, CULTURAL AND HISTORICAL RESOURCES. OBVIOUSLY, THE DOWNTOWN WE'RE TALKING CULTURAL CENTER, THE LYRIC AND BARN THEATER, AND THE HERITAGE MUSEUM. TOPOGRAPHIC DATA. A LOT OF THIS DATA WE DID RECEIVE FROM THE MARTIN COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISERS. YOU GUYS HAVE SOME LIDAR DATA ON THERE. WE WERE MISSING DATA. WE WENT WITH THE DEM. AND WHAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IT THERE. WE HAD AS BUILTS AND TOPOGRAPHIC MAPS THAT WE UTILIZED TO SUPPLEMENT THOSE GREAT AREAS OF INFORMATION. AND THEN WE HAVE THE FLOOD SCENARIO DATA, WHICH IS PROVIDED BY NOAA, AND THEN THE TIDAL FLOODING AND STORM SURGE AND SUBSEQUENT COMPOUND FLOODING WAS A COLLABORATIVE BETWEEN US AND MARTIN COUNTY. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE. THERE'S ABOUT 4 OR 5 OF THESE IN IN THE REPORT. THIS IS ALL WE CAN FIT ON THIS SLIDE AND CLEARLY RECOGNIZE WHAT THESE ITEMS ARE. THESE ARE THE ASSETS THAT STAFF DETERMINED WE NEED TO PROTECT. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DATA SET IT'S A LITTLE OVERWHELMING. WE HAVE ONE CATEGORY FOR CITY STREETS 1300 MILES OF CITY STREETS. WE EVALUATED DURING THIS ASSESSMENT THAT PICTORIALLY YOU CAN SEE THE MAPS, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE ONE ON HERE FOR THE TAX COLLECTOR. SO THERE'S NOT REALLY SEE THE AMOUNT OF DATA SETS THAT YOU HAVE IN THIS LIST. YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAPS, IS AROUND 320 MAPS THAT SHOW ALL THESE DIFFERENT CRITICAL ASSETS AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. BUT THIS IS THE GENERAL FORMAT THAT WE USED. AND THESE ARE THE ONES WE'RE LOOKING TO PROTECT. EXPOSURE ANALYSIS AS STATED EARLIER, 2040 AND 2070. THE NEXT SLIDE IS GOING TO KIND OF SHOW WHAT THOSE PROJECTION CHARTS ARE AND WHAT THEY MEAN OVER DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. BUT 2040 AND 2070 INTERMEDIATE LOW AND INTERMEDIATE HIGH. THEY JUST TOOK OUT THE EXTREMES. THEY TOOK OUT THE MIDDLE AND THEY TOOK OUT THE BOTTOM END OF THE CURVES AND WENT EXTREME ON THE VARIABILITY THAT CAN OCCUR DURING THESE EVENTS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT WAS WHAT OUR TIDAL GAUGES WERE AROUND US. NOW NOAA HAS SOME CLOSE THEY HAVE SOME IN JENSEN STEWART IN THAT AREA. THOSE WERE NOT RECOGNIZED FOR THIS STUDY. SO WE UTILIZE DAYTONA BEACH AND WE USE MIAMI AND INTERPOLATED THE INFORMATION TOGETHER TO DETERMINE WHAT OUR EFFECTS WERE GOING TO BE. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE. THE STORM SURGE, 100 YEAR STORM, THE SEA LEVEL RISE AGAIN, PARTNER WITH MARTIN COUNTY TO COME UP WITH THESE. THAT'S TITLE. THAT'S THE STORM SURGE. AND THEN TIDAL FLOODING BOTH CONTRIBUTING FACTORS THAT COME UP WITH YOUR COMPOUND FLOODING AND THE COMPOUND FLOODING COMPONENT. SO THIS IS THE FIRST CHART THAT'S GOING TO SEEM A LITTLE CUMBERSOME. SO WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE LEFT THIS IS YOUR DAYTONA.

THIS IS YOUR MIAMI BEACH. AND THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT LEVELS THAT WE HAVE DERIVED FROM THIS CHART FOR THE 2040. INTERMEDIATE LOW 2070. INTERMEDIATE LOW 24 TO MEDIUM LOW HIGH AND 27 INTERMEDIATE HIGH. THERE'S A LOT OF CHARTS ON HERE. WE JUST THEY TOLD US JUST TO FOCUS ON THESE

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THAT IS CONSIDERED THE ABOVE GROUND DATUM FOR NOAA. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE. WE'VE ADJUST THESE ELEVATIONS FOR THE MEAN HIGH WATER LEVEL, WHICH IS THE DATE OF AN NAVD STORM SURGE.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE DURING AN EVENT. IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR US TO SEE WATER COMING IN IN CERTAIN AREAS ON THE COASTAL AREA. THIS IS YOUR HIGH TIDE INCREASE. AND THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE PERFECT STORM. THIS IS WHEN EVERYTHING OCCURS AT THE SAME TIME. WHAT COULD YOU SEE? IF YOU DON'T SEE THIS, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO SEE SOME COMBINATION TO THE RIGHT.

THE MAPS ARE VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT THESE ELEVATIONS, BUT WITHOUT SEA LEVEL RISE, YOU CAN UTILIZE OTHER MAPS TO DETERMINE WHAT THE IMPACT IS. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HIGH TIDE INCREASE OF 1.39.41, THAT'S RELATIVE TO 2020 RELATIVE. WE'RE GOING UP A FOOT AND A HALF RELATIVE TO WHAT FROM WHAT TO 2040 IS 1.3. SO THEY'RE SAYING WELL SO WE UTILIZE THAT FROM WORKING WITH MARTIN COUNTY. SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT AROUND THE 2017 I KNOW MARTIN COUNTY'S DONE ONE PREVIOUSLY WHERE THIS IS SOMETHING WE PUT TOGETHER. WE GOT TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPLY THIS TO THIS ONE. THIS IS WHAT WE WORKED WITH MARTIN COUNTY, BUT IT IS BASED UPON THAT DATE. SO IN 2040 INTERMEDIATE LOW, THEY'RE PROJECTING A 1.3 KNOT INCREASE IN THE TIDAL FLOODING COMPONENT JUST BASED UPON THE TIDE. IF THIS DATA IS FROM 2017 THAT WE HAVE HERE AND IT'S 2025, YOU HAVE THE DATA FOR WHAT INCREASE WE HAVE SEEN FROM 2017 TO 2025. I DO NOT THIS IS A SNAPSHOT PROJECTION OF WHAT WE'RE ASSUMING WHEN WE FOLLOW A TRAJECTORY WITH THAT AVAILABLE DATA, WE CAN COLLECT THAT DATA BECAUSE YOU PRESENTED LIKE FIVE DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES FROM ALMOST NONE TO EXTREME USING 2017 TO 2025. WOULDN'T THAT GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT PATH WE'RE ON? ABSOLUTELY. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA. WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA. SO THIS IS ALL KIND OF WINGING IT. IT'S NOT WINGING IT. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE UTILIZING THE DATA THAT WAS THAT WE WERE TOLD UTILIZED BY NOAA.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS PREDATED. WE'RE TRYING TO STABILIZE, GET A GROUND ZERO FOR THESE ENTIRE STATEWIDE. I BELIEVE THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE DATA RIGHT NOW. THERE'S I TRY TO ACQUIRE THE ARMY CORPS DATA FOR TODAY IN PREPARATION FOR THIS, KNOWING THAT WE PROBABLY WANT TO SEE WHAT'S RELATIVE SEA LEVEL RISE DATA TODAY AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IT WAS 2017 DURING THE ASSESSMENT DERIVING THE ASSESSMENT, IT WAS SLIGHTLY LESS, WE'RE TALKING MAYBE A 10TH OF A FOOT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS CONCRETE. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME NOW. AS FAR AS THE STORM SURGE AND HIGH TIDE, WE FEEL THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO APPLY REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE SEA LEVEL RISE BASIS IS. BUT IF YOU HAVE AN INCREASE OF 1.39FT ON THE HIGH TIDE, THAT'S ASSUMING SEA LEVEL RISE AN INCREASE OF 1.39. AM I WRONG HERE? I MUST NOT BE

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NO. OKAY. SO THIS IS JUST OCEAN WIDE. THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO KNOW ARE ON THE WEBSITE TO BE USED FOR DETERMINING THESE PARAMETERS. WE DON'T HAVE DAYTONA MIAMI. YES.

THERE'S EVEN KEY WEST THERE'S JACKSONVILLE. BUT THESE THESE ARE THE ONES THAT KIND OF OPPOSE THIS TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH OF US. CAN YOU EXTRAPOLATE THAT FROM THE CHURCH BECAUSE YOUR CHARTS ARE THOSE ARE LINE DRAWINGS AND IT'S STARTING IN 17. SO IT GOES TO 40. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE IN 25. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. ARE YOU SAYING THEY DON'T HAVE THAT DATA FROM. THEY DON'T HAVE THE DATA BUT THE CHART. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXTRAPOLATE IT FROM THE CHART. I APOLOGIZE, I THOUGHT YOU WERE. YOU WERE ASKING IF THE TIDAL FLOODING WAS ON TOP OF THE SEA LEVEL RISE, IS WHAT I THOUGHT THE ANSWER WAS. WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT THE SEA LEVEL RISE IS GOING TO BE SPENT TODAY, AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT IT WAS IN 2017 AND SEE IF IT'S REAL. YOU CAN DO THAT FROM THE CURVE THAT WAY. YOU KNOW WHAT CURVE YOU ARE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. THAT CAN BE DONE. DIFFERENT CURVES. WE SHOULD KNOW WHICH ONE OF THOSE LINES WE'RE ON AND THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE. I MEAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY DETERMINE THAT THIS WASN'T PART OF THE GRANT. THE GRANT WAS TO TAKE 2017, THEN USE THE DATA THEY PROVIDED IN 2040 AND 2070. I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF IT AS WELL. YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE SAFE. WORST CASE SCENARIO. BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS. I DON'T DISAGREE. AND WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THE LOW, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE EXTRAPOLATED DATA OVER SEA LEVEL RISE OVER TIME. ALL THESE ADDED. SO THE LOW IS THE ACTUAL THAT WE'RE AWARE OF. THAT'S CORRECT. SO I'D LIKE TO CHIME IN THERE JUST BECAUSE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING WHEN THE LEGISLATURE FIRST MANDATED ALL THIS BACK IN 2015 TO 2017.

THAT'S KIND OF WHEN A LOT OF IT STARTED, 2019, THEY FINALLY SAID, OKAY, EVERY COUNTY, EVERY CITY, WE WANT YOU TO DO THIS THROUGH DEP, CREATE A STATEWIDE ASSESSMENT. THEN IN 2021 IS WHEN THEY ACTUALLY SET THESE NEW PARAMETERS ABOUT 2040 AND 2070. WHAT THEY WHAT DEP REALIZED IS THEY NEEDED TO HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO MAKE EVERYBODY BE ON THE SAME PAGE. SO WE COULD COMPARE STATEWIDE THE SAME DATA. KIND OF LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY ELIMINATED MOST OF THAT. THE LINES THAT THEY SHOW ON THIS SLIDE HERE, THEY ELIMINATED MOST OF THE LINES. AND THEY BASICALLY SAID, WE JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT THE INTERMEDIATE BANDS OR THE MIDDLE BAND, AND THEN THE HIGH AND THE LOW OF THAT BAND AND ONLY THOSE LINES, AND JUST USE THESE PROJECTIONS SO THEY, YOU KNOW, AT, YOU KNOW, IN THE VEIN OF SIMPLIFYING, THEY KIND OF ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE DATA. BUT WHAT THAT DID WAS IT KIND OF TOOK THE, THE, YOU KNOW, CHARGED CONVERSATION OFF THE TABLE AND SAID, HEY, LET'S STOP LOOKING AT THE MOST EXTREME SCENARIOS.

LET'S STOP LOOKING AT THE BEST CASE SCENARIOS. LET'S JUST LOOK DOWN THE MIDDLE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STATE, WHAT DO WE HAVE? SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE LINES, THEY ONLY USE THE TWO. I THINK IT'S IN ORANGE AND GREEN OR THE TWO COLORS THEY SAY ONLY LOOK AT THE ORANGE AND THE GREEN LINE AND THAT'S IT. SO ALL THE DATA THAT WE HAVE IS ONLY THOSE LINES AT THE BOTTOM. THAT PURPLE LINE REPRESENTS REALITY. REPRESENTS WHAT THEY'VE THE BLUE LINE, NOT THE PURPLE LINE. THE BLUE LINE. THE PURPLE LINE IS WHAT IS THE VERTICAL LAND MOVEMENT COMPONENT I WAS TALKING

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SAVE SOME CATASTROPHE. IS THAT PURPLE LINE. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. THAT'S THE REALITY OF SEA LEVEL RISE IN MARTIN COUNTY. THE BLUE LINE, THE BLUE ONE. SO IN THIS YOU'RE NOT JUST SHOWING DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INCREASED SEA WATER. YOU'RE ALSO SHOWING DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INCREASED LAND IN RESPONSE TO THE SEA. THAT'S WHAT THE BLM STANDS FOR. MAYBE IT'D BE BEST IF I JUST READ THE DEFINITION. I'M A MERE CHIROPRACTOR. ALL RIGHT. VERTICAL LAND MOVEMENT CAN BE CAUSED BY MANY FACTORS, SUCH AS REGIONAL TECTONIC MOVEMENT, REGIONAL VERTICAL LAND SUBSIDENCE OR UPLIFT, COMPACTION OF SEDIMENTARY STRATA, CRUSTAL REBOUND AND FORMERLY GLACIATED AREAS, AND SUBSIDENCE DUE TO LOCAL WITHDRAWAL OF SUBSURFACE FLUIDS. THERE'S MANY PARAMETERS THAT THAT TAKE IN THE VERTICAL LAND MOVEMENT COMPONENT, SO IT IS A MEASURE OF HOW FAR THE EARTH, YOUR AREA, THE GROUND IS EITHER GOING UP OR DOWN SEA LEVEL RISE. THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO YOU'RE TALKING PRETTY MUCH LIKE A FLOATING. YEAH. PRETTY MUCH AS THE WATER GOES UP, SOMETHING GOES UP, BUT IT CHANGES ON THE ENTIRE EARTH, WHICH EXPLAINS SORT OF WHAT WHAT YOU MIGHT OBSERVE AS A NET ZERO EFFECT. IF THE VERTICAL LAND MOVEMENT EQUALS THE AMOUNT OF SEA LEVEL RISE, THEY BELIEVE AT LEAST THE LAST PARAMETERS I WAS LOOKING AT, IT WAS 0.06MM PER YEAR. AND THE AVERAGE SEA LEVEL RISE IS 1.7. SO BASED ON THAT CHART, WE SHOULD BE UNDERWATER.

IF THAT'S IF THAT'S RETREATING RELATIVE TO THAT WATER, IF THAT BLUE LINE IS THAT MUCH MORE ADVANCED, WE SHOULD BE WE SHOULD BE UNDERWATER. I MEAN, YEAH, EVEN ON THE FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU'RE TALKING LESS THAN TWO FEET OF SEA LEVEL RISE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE UNDERWATER TWO FEET.

PER THAT CHART. THAT CHART SHOWING JUST A HAIR UNDER MAYBE 1.5FT, ASSUMING NO OTHER CLIMATE STRESSORS OR ANY OF THESE OTHER PARAMETERS WE'RE EVALUATING AFFECTING ADDITIONAL SEA LEVEL RISE. HOW COULD YOU IN YOUR YEAR OFF? THANK YOU. JUST TO CLARIFY, I'VE NOT HAD THIS KIND OF A CONVERSATION BEFORE, SO I APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S GOOD. ABSOLUTELY. AND ALL THESE CHARTS CAN BE AVAILABLE TO YOU. OBVIOUSLY, JUST THE SLOPE OF THOSE LINES SEEMS PRETTY CONSISTENT. IS THAT CORRECT? THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE GOING PARABOLIC. EVERYTHING FROM THE GREEN UP IS PARABOLIC. JUST SOME OF THE E TO THE RAISED POWER IS A SMALLER DECIMAL THAN THE LARGER ONES. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THE LARGER EXPONENT IS GOING TO BE MORE EXACERBATED, BUT IT'S NOT.

OKAY. I MEAN, WHEN I LOOK AT IT AND I SEE EXTREME, I SEE TEN FEET, I'M SLIGHTLY CONCERNED. MY SENSE IS THAT 2 OR 3FT LOCALLY IS A BIG DEAL. WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE TOWARDS THE END OF THIS. WE DO HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT BUT LIKE TO MIKE'S POINT IN NORTH RIVER SHORES. THAT'S. YEAH, THAT'S A VERY WET NEIGHBORHOOD WITH TWO FEET. I ACTUALLY THINK LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION WE HAVE A 2040 INTERMEDIATE LOW SEA LEVEL RISE COMPARISON BETWEEN INTERMEDIATE LOW AND INTERMEDIATE HIGH, WHICH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 0.65 AND 1.41. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE DIFFERENCE. WE DO HAVE A I THINK WE KIND OF CUT OUT NORTH RIVER SHORES FOR BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON DOWNTOWN STUART. BUT WE DO HAVE A BIGGER MAP THAT KIND OF SHOWS IT, IF THAT HELPS.

BUT THIS THE SEA LEVEL RISE IS A STRONG ONE. OBVIOUSLY WE'VE SEEN STORM SURGES, SEEN TIDAL FLOODING. YOU KNOW, THOSE SUBSIDE OVER TIME. BUT DEFINITELY THE SEA LEVEL RISE IS THE COMPONENT I WANT TO FOCUS ON AND THEN REINFORCE THE OTHER COMPOUNDING FACTORS. OKAY.

CONTINUE PLEASE OKAY. OKAY. SO HERE WE ARE TO CHART. SO A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION WE HAVE ABOUT 8 OR 9 OF THESE. WE'RE TRYING TO QUANTIFY ALL THIS INFORMATION. WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR MAPS. SO WHAT WE HERE HAVE ON THE LEFT COLUMN IS YOUR PARTICULAR ASSET NAME OR YOUR ASSET CLASS. AND WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO FOCUS ON THE CLEVELAND

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THIS IS THE NEXT STEP. WE HAVEN'T ENGAGED IN THIS YET, BUT IT IS CALLED THE ADAPTIVE PLAN.

THIS IS HOW WE CHANGE WHAT WE DO OR OR OR PARTNER WITH OUR PUBLIC PARTNERS TO HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THESE THINGS. SO THE FIRST ONE, WE WANT TO GAUGE THE COMMUNITY ON HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SO WE WANT TO CONSIDER VULNERABLE NEIGHBORHOODS AND REVITALIZE AREAS, BECAUSE WE DO KNOW THAT WE'RE DISPROPORTIONATE RISK ACROSS OUR COMMUNITIES. SO WE WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THOSE ARE. WE WANT TO INCORPORATE NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS WHERE WE CAN. AND OUR THIRD SLIDE, WE KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ENGAGING IN THAT. SO INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT NATURE, WE'LL LOOK AT NATURAL BASED INSTEAD OF NATURE BASED. MAYBE THE NEXT STEP, MAYBE SOME OTHER ONES WE CAN DO TO INCORPORATE THAT BEFORE WE START GETTING TO LEVEES AND STABILIZATION ACTIONS. WE WANT TO CREATE AN ADAPTABLE DECISION MAKING FRAMEWORK. THE REASON FOR THAT IS, AS WE POINTED OUT EARLIER, WE DO UNDERSTAND THIS IS SCIENCE BASE SCIENCE DATA POINTS CHANGE TO YOUR EVENT. WE COULD BE AT A DIFFERENT DATA POINT RIGHT NOW AS IT RELATES TO PROJECTED SEA LEVEL RISE. SO SINCE OUR INFORMATION COMES IN 2017 RIGHT. SO THE DATA POINTS CAN BE DIFFERENT 2020. SO WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THE DECISIONS WE'RE MAKING ON INFRASTRUCTURE CAN ADAPT TO THOSE CHANGES WITHIN THE PARAMETERS WE'RE EVALUATING FOR. I WANT TO PRIORITIZE THOSE INTERDEPARTMENTALLY SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHOSE ASSETS ARE AFFECTED MORE, WHAT THE COSTS ARE. SO WE GET THE MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK, AND THEN WE WANT TO GO MAKE SURE WE IDENTIFY POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES, EITHER FOR SURTAX OR FOR GRANT FUNDINGS. WHATEVER WE UTILIZE FOR THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A PRACTICAL USE YOU WOULD UTILIZE

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AND YOU'LL NOTICE IN THIS ONE YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME. AND THEN YOU COME OVER HERE, YOU HAVE A COUPLE MORE OUTFALLS THAT ARE IMPACTED, BUT THEY'RE NOT GETTING TO THE STRUCTURES. SO IT'S A GOOD THING THAT WE JUST NEED TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO THOSE STRUCTURES TO PREVENT SALTWATER FROM COMING BACK. IT COULD BE MAKING A CONTROL STRUCTURE CAN RAISE THE INVERT ELEVATION. SO WE COULD DO SOME MORE NUTRIENT REDUCTION IN THOSE STRUCTURES. NOW WHEN WE APPLY IT TO YOUR EXISTING STORMWATER PLAN, WE NOTICE THAT THE FRAZIER CREEK AREA, YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. SO ANY OF THE NUMBERED AREAS ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THIS AREA. AND WE NOTICE THAT HERE B1 IS A STRUCTURE OR A BAFFLE BOX WE ANNOTATED AS BEING IMPACTED DURING THE FIRST SEA LEVEL RISE EVENT, WHICH IS 0.65. AND AS YOU CAN TELL, THIS IS NOT NOTED ON THE EXISTING STORMWATER PLAN AS AN IMPACTED ASSET. SO WHAT THAT ALLOWS US TO DO IS UPDATE OUR MASTER PLAN TO NOT JUST PRIORITIZE WHAT THINGS WE'RE SEEING IN THE FIELD. WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT REINFORCING WHAT WE FAIL TO SEE IS GOING TO BE IMPACTED IN THE FUTURE. SO THIS IS JUST A PRACTICAL USE FOR THESE TYPE OF MAPS THAT CAN BE USED TO UPDATE YOUR STORMWATER AND OTHER PARTS OF YOUR COMP AND MASTER PLAN. SO NOW WE'RE JUST GOING TO KIND OF SHOW SOME INCREASED SEA LEVEL RISE. WE'RE GOING TO STICK WITH THE SEA LEVEL RISE. WE'RE GOING TO ADD HIGH TIDE FLOODING. WE'RE GOING TO ADD COMPOUND FLOODING AND WITNESS WHAT THE COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE IN THESE EVENTS. SO HERE WE HAVE SEA LEVEL RISE WITH HIGH TIDE FLOODING AT ABOUT AN ELEVATION OF 2.69FT. IT SEEMS LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THIS AREA THAT'S IMPACTED IS REALLY JUST THE INLET TO THE FRAZIER CREEK AREA. IT'S REASONABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT EARLIER, BUT REALLY, NONE OF YOUR COASTAL AREAS OTHER THAN MAYBE THIS RETENTION AREA IS FEELING ANYTHING TO THE EAST SIDE OF YOUR OF THE OF THE AIRPORT. IT'S NOW HERE WITH HIGH TIDE FLOODING AND SEA LEVEL RISE. AND THIS IS AT THE 2040 NIH. THIS IS AT THE INTERMEDIATE LEVEL. I DIDN'T WANT TO JUST KIND OF GIVE US ALL THE LOW END. I WANT TO KIND OF SEE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE FOR IN 2040. AND WE'RE SEEING SOME CASCADING INTO SOME OF THE RETENTION AREAS FROM THE EAST SIDE. YOU'RE SEEING A LITTLE BIT IN FRAZIER. AND IRONICALLY, WE'RE CAPEX OFFICES. WE'RE SEEING A LITTLE BIT OF IT THERE AS WELL. AND THIS IS HOPEFULLY THE LAST ONE WE SHOW. THIS IS AT NO. THIS IS NOT 5.77FT, AS YOU HAD INDICATED EARLIER. TALK ABOUT NORTH RIVER SHORES. YOU EVER SEEN A LOT MORE UP IN THAT AREA AT THIS POINT? NOW THIS IS OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS EVERYTHING HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME. HIGH TIDE HAPPENING, STORM SURGE HAPPENING AS WELL AS THAT INTERMEDIATE LOW LEVEL BEING THERE FOR SEA LEVEL RISE, WHICH IS ONLY 0.65FT. SO IF YOU DEDUCT THAT, WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT 5.05FT. IF WE'RE TAKING JUST TO ACCOUNT STORM SURGE AND TIDAL FLOODING. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN. DOES THIS

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THAT HAS TO AFFECT FLOODING AND DRAINAGE. IT DOES HAVE MANY VALUES. YEAH. SUBSIDENCE IS TALKED AT LENGTH WITH THIS, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE VERTICAL LAND MOVEMENT INCLUDES A LOT OF THAT. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT NEW ORLEANS, YOU KNOW THE CITIES THAT THEY SAY ARE SINKING. I MEAN, IT'S ACTUALLY TOO HEAVY THE AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY'VE PUT. SO THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE. THANK YOU. THIS IS 2040 INTERMEDIATE HIGH WITH EVERYTHING HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME, COMPOUND FLOODING AND THE WORST LEVEL OF SEA LEVEL RISE. WE'RE TALKING SEVEN POINT. SEVEN EIGHT FEET. THE CHARTS AND THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT DO SHED LIGHT ON EXACTLY WHAT THESE FEATURES ARE AND THE EXTENT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. WE'RE NOT SEEING A LOT OF SURFACE AREA, BUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE TRIBUTARIES AND CANALS AND CREEKS, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE KIND OF HELPING INUNDATE THE INLAND PART AS WELL AS THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM. YOU INUNDATE THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM, IT REVERBERATES BACK INTO THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE OLDEST. AND WE BUILD, WE BUILD HIGHER, AND THERE'S A LOT OF HOMES THAT ARE BUILT THAT OLDER ELEVATIONS. SO THERE'S OTHER THINGS YOU GOT TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM, DRAINAGE COULD, YOU KNOW, COME IN AND AFFECT THOSE OLDER COMMUNITIES BEFORE IT AFFECTS THE NEW COMMUNITIES. THOSE ARE ALSO SOME ITEMS YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT. SO THE FINAL PORTION OF THIS REPORT, THE CITY DOES SHOW SIGNS OF VULNERABILITY UNDER EXISTING AND NEAR-TERM FUTURE CONDITIONS. NOT MANY, BUT THEY DO HAVE THEM. MAINLY, IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR OUTFALLS AT THIS PERIOD OF TIME WHERE YOUR STORMWATER ENTERS THE RIVER. THERE WILL BE A DECLINE OF OR LOSS OF SHORELINE WITHOUT ANY REMEDIATION. YOU KNOW, ANY SHORELINE EMBANKMENTS. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE LOCAL AND REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS. WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THOSE LINES OF COMMUNICATIONS, WHICH ARE NEIGHBORING PARTNERS. IT'S EASY TO BE HERE, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY, YOU WANT TO GET OUT. YOU GOT TO EVACUATE TO THE WEST, YOU GOT TO GO TO THE NORTH, YOU GO TO THE SOUTH. YOU GET A COMMUNICATION TOGETHER TO KEEP THOSE TRAVELWAYS UP AND OPEN AIRPORTS AND CITY STREETS OF THAT NATURE, AND LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT AND REVITALIZATION OF WATERFRONT NEIGHBORHOODS. WE DID TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE STRATEGIES WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH ADAPTIVE PLANNING. I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT SITUATION. BUT IN CONCLUSION, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS JUST TO EVALUATE CURRENT AND FUTURE FLOOD RISK FOR CRITICAL ASSETS FOR THE CITY OF STUART, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, PLANNING AND FUNDING STRATEGIES CAN BE FURTHER DEVELOPED WITH DATA DISCOVERED BY THIS ASSESSMENT THROUGH PAST OBSERVATIONS AND CREATIVE SOLUTION BASED ORIENTED PROJECTS, THE CITY WILL DECREASE VULNERABILITY AND INCREASE RESILIENCE TO SEA LEVEL RISE AND COASTAL STORM EVENTS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? AND THE ONLY THING I WILL ADD FROM A FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE? THANK YOU JAMES, IS THAT IN FUTURE YEARS YOU HEARD, YOU KNOW, OVER $800 MILLION. THE STATE'S ALLOCATED TO THE RESILIENT FLORIDA PROGRAM IS WHAT THEY CALL IT FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO APPLY FOR WHAT IT IS A 50% COST MATCH. SO IF WE HAVE $8 MILLION, FOR EXAMPLE, OF STORM WATER IMPROVEMENTS OR DRAINAGE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT SINCE, WHAT WAS IT, 2022? WE DID THE LAST STORM WATER MASTER PLAN OR WHAT WERE THE UPDATE? SO IF WE HAVE, LET'S SAY, $8 MILLION OF THOSE PROJECTS, THIS ASSESSMENT NOW ALLOWS US TO APPLY TO DEP, MAYBE GET FOUR OF THAT MILLION DOLLARS BACK. AND I KNOW WE HAVE THAT NEW SURTAX FOR SALES. I KNOW WE HAVE AN ANNUAL BUDGET THAT WE'RE WE'RE TIGHT ON. MY POINT ABOUT IT IS IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT LEVERAGING, YOU KNOW, OUR DOLLARS THE BEST WAY, AT LEAST WE CAN GET HALF OF IT BACK ON ON THESE THIS GRANT, IT'S PRETTY STANDARDIZED. SO THAT'S WHAT STAFF HAS TO SAY AS FAR AS THE PROJECTS GO IN MILTON'S BUDGET

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PLEASE FOLLOW IT. RIGHT. YOU'LL GET MIXED UP WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT. EVERYTHING ELSE. JUST REMEMBER THAT PUBLICATION OR IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN YEAH. AND THEN YOU GOT TO REALIZE IT'S 2017. SO. THAT'S WHY IT TOOK FIVE YEARS, 5 TO 10 YEARS IN ORDER TO GET HERE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO WE HAVE WATER AND EVERYTHING. AND CONTINUED FUNDING FOR THE. YEAH. YEAH OKAY. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT I MEAN THAT. RIGHT. YES. COMMISSIONER CLARK, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY IT'S A GOOD GOOD I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT ABOUT EXPLAINING AND SO ON. IT'S A GOOD USE OF CONSULTANT FUNDS AND IT WILL TAKE SOME. YOU WENT BACK IN THE DATA AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO ACTUALLY SEE SOME THINGS MANIFESTED IN THE FIELD. BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE BASIS OF OUR PLANNING AND OUR WORK FOR THE FUTURE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CITY IS VIABLE. IT'S PEOPLE ALWAYS THINK OF VIABILITY AS SHOPPING AND PEOPLE AND HOUSING, BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS SO IMPORTANT. SO THANK YOU OKAY OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. AS MR. JOLY, MISS JOLY, ARE YOU GOING TO DO THIS AS WELL, MR. HOGARTH OR. NO, HE IS. OH, THERE HE IS.

OKAY. I SURE HOPE NOT. PRIZE. ARE YOU GOING TO BE. WE CAN. WE CAN. I'LL INTRODUCE YOU. BUT WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A SEAT AND WE'LL GET STARTED. SO THIS IS OUR FIRST LOOK AT. THIS IS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. THIS IS ACTUALLY KIND OF OUR FIRST LOOK AT NEXT YEAR'S EXPENSES. UNFORTUNATELY, THE STATE OF FLORIDA ALTERS THEIR LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS. AND THIS YEAR WAS ONE OF THE SESSIONS THAT START LATE AND END LATE. AND LAST YEAR, THE SESSION WOULD START IN JANUARY AND END IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF APRIL. AND WE HAD THE BUDGET LAST YEAR SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR BEFORE THE END OF APRIL THIS YEAR. THE GOVERNOR SIGNED THE BUDGET AT 8:30 P.M. ON JUNE 30TH, WHICH WAS JUNE 30TH IS THE LAST DAY THEY HAVE TO SIGN THE BUDGET, PER THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION.

AND IN SO DOING, HE ALSO LINE ITEM VETOED $1.3 BILLION WORTH OF ITEMS, WHICH MAKES IT SO THAT

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SO WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET IT TILL THE 2ND OR 3RD OF JULY. AND OF COURSE, THEN THE 4TH OF JULY HITS. SO JULIE'S BEEN SCRAMBLING TO GET THIS PREPARATION OR PREPARED FOR YOU GUYS. AND AS RECENTLY AS OUR DISCUSSION TODAY, WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE FINAL NUMBERS REGARDING INSURANCE, AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE FINAL NUMBERS FROM THE STATE REGARDING WHAT OUR CONTRIBUTION IS TO THE FRS. REQUIREMENTS. AND IRONICALLY, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING THE CONTRIBUTION IN THE PAYROLL STARTING JULY 1ST. SO IT DOES CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF A QUANDARY. IN ANY EVENT, JULIE'S PUT TOGETHER A FAIRLY EXTENSIVE PRESENTATION THAT'S GOING TO GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF WHERE WE ARE AND TRYING TO PUT THE BUDGET TOGETHER. AND I'LL JUST LET HIM START AND WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS AS WE GO. CITIZENS COMMISSIONERS, GOOD EVENING.

THERE WAS A SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE SKIT ONE TIME WHERE. APPLE CAME OUT AND STEVE JOBS, HE KEPT ANNOUNCING THE PHONE AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WAS SMALLER BEFORE THEY EVEN FINISHED THE THING.

AND HE GOES, WAIT, WE HAVE ANOTHER UPDATE. IT'S THE IPOD, YOU KNOW, MICROSECOND. WAIT, HOLD ON, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE. SO IN THE SPIRIT OF THAT, JUST SINCE THE MANAGER'S STATEMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE FRS, WE DID GET THE FRS RATES. THEY'RE NOT FLOWED THROUGH THE BUDGET YET, BUT THEY DID RELEASE THAT. SO FIRST OF ALL, AS A COLOR, BE SURPRISED. NORMALLY I HAD LIKE SEVERAL SLIDES PREPARED FOR YOU THAT ALL WENT OUT THE WINDOW ON THURSDAY. SO THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT NOW. AND THE STATE ACTUALLY I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BECAUSE THEY DID EXTEND THE LEGISLATION OR THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT THEY GOT ON THE BALL, SO TO SPEAK, OR ON THE STICK, BUT THEY ACTUALLY RELEASED A LOT OF NUMBERS. THE FRS RATES THAT THE MANAGER JUST REFERRED TO WERE RELEASED. AND SO WE NOW HAVE TO RETROACTIVELY APPLY THEM TO THE PAYROLL. THAT WAS MISSED. BECAUSE HE'S RIGHT. THEY DO GO INTO EFFECT JULY 1ST. SO WE HAVE TO DO THAT. BUT THEY DID ALSO RELEASE SEVERAL REVENUE NUMBERS, WHICH I DIDN'T EXPECT. SO I ORIGINALLY HAD THIS SLIDE PREPARED FOR YOU WHERE LIKE, OH, ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE NUMBERS UNTIL JULY OR AUGUST, WHICH MEANS AUGUST. THAT'S NOW ALL CHANGED. AND ALSO THEY HAD THIS STATEMENT ABOUT BECAUSE THE LEGISLATION HAS BEEN EXTENDED, FRS RATES WON'T BE AVAILABLE, BLAH BLAH, YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS ALL OVER THEIR WEBSITE JUST LAST WEEK. BUT ON THURSDAY SHOWING, YOU KNOW, WE GOT REVENUE NUMBERS. REVENUE NUMBERS CAME IN AND SOME STATEMENTS. NOW YOU CAN SEE THERE THERE'S STILL SEVERAL. AND I CHECKED THIS LIKE AN HOUR AGO. THERE'S STILL SEVERAL THAT AREN'T AVAILABLE. THEY'RE STILL CRUNCHING NUMBERS THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY HAVE RELEASED SEVERAL OF THEM. SOME YOU KNOW LIKE THE COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX AND YOU'LL SEE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION IS A BIG DEAL FOR US. BUT WE DID GET, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SOME OF THE ONES LIKE THE REGULAR HALF-CENT SALES TAX THEY'VE POSTED AND THEY WILL MAKE AMENDMENTS. AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'VE ALREADY AMENDED THE NEW LOCAL DISCRETIONARY SURTAX. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THESE. BUT RIGHT NOW THE BUDGET'S BUILT ON OUR REVENUE MODEL PROJECTIONS. AND SO HERE'S HERE'S WHAT WE DO KNOW AND WHAT WE DO NOT KNOW AT THE MOMENT. WE DO HAVE SOME OF THE STATE REVENUES. WE DO HAVE THE FRS RATES. AND SO THEY THEY CAME OUT SURPRISINGLY GENERAL WENT UP THREE. PUBLIC SAFETY WENT UP 7%, BUT ELECTED AND SENIOR MANAGEMENT WENT DOWN SEVEN AND FOUR RESPECTIVELY. ALSO THE TAXABLE VALUES FOR GENERAL AND CRA. THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WAS VERY TIMELY THIS YEAR. AND SO GENERAL FUNDS TAXABLE VALUE WENT UP 7%. CRAS WENT UP TEN. FROM A BUDGETARY STANDPOINT. POINT OF FACT, YOU KNOW, MOUNT MARTIN COUNTY HAD A 12 SOMETHING PERCENT. WE'RE HALF OF THEIR INCREASE. SO YOU KNOW, MARTIN COUNTY'S NICE DOUBLE DIGIT INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES. IF WE'RE 50% OF THAT, WAS IT 12 OR 13.5, 12, 13.5, YOU KNOW. BUT THEY HAVE LIKE THE GENERAL AND THEN THE PART THAT'S NOT US BUILT IN. SO BUT THE EFFECTIVE RATE ON US RIGHT NOW, THEY'VE CURRENTLY PROPOSED A REDUCTION FROM LAST YEAR'S ADOPTED RATE.

THEY TRIED TO UP THE MILLAGE AT THE MEETING AND THEY WERE TOLD BY THEIR COUNCIL TO NOT UP THE RATE. SO THEY KEPT IT THE SAME AS 24. WELL, THEY'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING A REDUCED RATE FROM 24 AND 25. BUT YOU KNOW, THE TALK AMONGST THE BEAN COUNTERS IS WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL STICK.

GENERAL INSURANCE IS DOWN 7%, WHICH ONLY, YOU KNOW, REDUCES GENERAL FUND BY $46,000. LAST YEAR THAT WAS UP FIVE. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT BRIEFLY LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. AND SOME THINGS WE DON'T KNOW. WE STILL DON'T KNOW SOME OF THE STATE REVENUES. WE STILL DON'T KNOW

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YOU'LL SEE. AND THEN GRANT STATUSES. THERE WERE SOME STATE APPROPRIATIONS THAT DIDN'T DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH FOR US. AND SOME GRANTS ARE STILL UP IN THE AIR. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T BANK A LOT ON THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU JUST SAW IN THE PRESENTATION, IF WE LOOK THROUGH THE NEEDS VERSUS WANTS AND WE DETERMINE THAT MAYBE ONE OF THOSE IS APPLICABLE FOR ONE OF THESE RESILIENCY GRANTS OR SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THAT, THEN WE WOULD VISIT THOSE, THOSE TOPICS. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FIRST BIG ONE. SO IT'S DERIVED FROM TWO FACTS. SIR. CAN WE JUST WAIT FOR COMMISSIONER CLARK TO RETURN? ABSOLUTELY I WOULDN'T MIND. I MEAN, THE IT'S ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT AREAS OF RESPONSIBILITY WE HAVE. IT IS. I'M GETTING MIXED SIGNALS FROM YOU. I KNOW YOU'RE A STAR WARS GUY. YOU LOOK JEDI TODAY, BUT NO DRESSED SITH. I'M WEARING THE RED LIGHTSABER TIE. OKAY, I DON'T KNOW. WHAT ARE WE DOING? I'VE NEVER BEEN TO HIS OFFICE. I KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING HE'S GIVING ME A SIGNAL VERSUS JEDI. I AM SITH, BLACK AND RED. HE'S ON. I'M LOOKING AT OBI-WAN'S FACE. THE CITY MANAGER, WHEN HE WAS A COMMISSIONER ONE TIME, TOLD ME THAT HE WOULD TRY TO JUDGE THE CONDITION OF THE BUDGET BASED ON WHAT TIE I WAS WEARING. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. AND I CAME IN WITH A TIE THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, SITH LORDS. AND IT WAS LIKE DARTH VADER AND MAUL ALL ON THE SAME TIE. YOU GOT A BLACK SUIT? I YEAH. SO YEAH, TODAY IS A DAY, A DAY OF MOURNING. THIS IS GOING TO BE BAD NEWS. THIS THIS IS GOING TO BE BAD NEWS. I WON'T EVEN TRY TO SUGARCOAT IT FOR YOU. AT LEAST I DIDN'T WEAR THE SITH SOCKS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. YEAH. SO THERE'S HOPE. THERE IS HOPE. THERE'S ALWAYS HOPE. OKAY, THERE WE GO. WAIT ON YOU. AT THE MAYOR'S REQUEST, WE WAITED FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER CLARK. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO AD VALOREM FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME DURING THE LAST 30 YEARS TO HEAR ME SAY THIS AD VALOREM REALLY IS THE ONLY REVENUE THAT THAT YOU, THE ELECTED FIVE, COMPLETELY CONTROL. IT'S MADE FROM TWO FACTORS WHICH ARE BLESS YOU AGAIN, THE TAXABLE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES IN STUART. THE 9000 SOME ODD PARCELS IN STUART AND WHAT THEIR TAXABLE VALUE IS DEEMED BY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER. AND THE MILLAGE IS THE RATE THAT WE APPLY TO THAT TAXABLE VALUE IS WHAT GENERATES THE NUMBER. AND SO A WAY THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE CRA. THE INCREMENT OR DECREMENT IN THAT MATTER. I'VE SEEN IT BE A DECREMENT IN OUR TAXABLE VALUE APPLIED TO OUR MILLAGE COULD BE CALLED OUR COLA. SO THAT'S THAT'S HOW THE CITIES WE HOPE THAT THE. I HAD STATED ONE TIME BEFORE THAT IF WE SET THE MILLAGE AT, SAY, FIVE MILLS WHERE IT'S BEEN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, IF THE PROPERTY VALUE INCREMENT, IF THE PROPERTY VALUE APPRECIATED AT A RIGHT RATE TO KEEP PACE WITH EXPENSES, THEN YOU COULD BASICALLY RON POPEIL SET IT AND FORGET IT. RIGHT? JUST JUST SET THE MILLAGE AND LEAVE IT, UNFORTUNATELY, REVENUES NEVER KEEP PACE WITH EXPENSES. ONLY ONE TIME THEY DID. BACK IN THE EARLY 2000, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY PASSED THE AMENDMENT THAT CAUSED EVERYONE'S MILLAGE TO DROP BECAUSE THEY CLAIMED THAT, YOU KNOW, REVENUES HAD OUTPACED EXPENSES AND GOVERNMENTS WERE SPENDING LIKE DRUNKEN SAILORS. BUT THAT THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, FOR THE LAST UMPTEEN YEARS, REVENUES HAVE NEVER PACED AS QUICKLY AS EXPENSES HAVE GONE UP. NOW WE STILL BENEFIT, JUST LIKE THE REGULAR PEOPLE DO. OUR FUEL COST HAS GONE DOWN. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE SOME OF THOSE EXPENSES THAT WE TAKE, JUST LIKE EVERY EVERYDAY PEOPLE HAVE REDUCED. BUT BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF ELECTRICITY AND THE COST OF INSURANCE AND THE COST OF EQUIPMENT AND THE COST OF EMPLOYEES GOES UP. AS YOU CAN SEE, SARS WENT UP, HEALTH INSURANCE WENT UP. THOSE ARE COSTS THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN CONTROL, YOU KNOW? SO BY STATE STATUTE, YOU HAVE TO PAY THAT FIRST RATE. AND SO WE HOPE THAT OUR REVENUE WOULD APPRECIATE IN A IN A QUICK ENOUGH PACE TO AT

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FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CAN'T READ THAT IN THE SEATS, THAT'S $3.8 BILLION. THAT'S A 7% INCREASE OVER LAST YEAR'S TAXABLE VALUE. TWO POINTS OF INTEREST ON THIS GRAPH I POINTED OUT LAST YEAR AND CONTINUE TO BACK IN 2008, OUR TAXABLE VALUE WAS 2.3 BILLION. AND THEN WITH THE GREAT RECESSION AND THE AND THE ASSET BACKED MORTGAGE CALAMITIES THAT HAPPENED IN THE HOUSING PRICES BOTTOMING OUT, IT TOOK US UNTIL 2022 TO REGAIN $2.3 BILLION WORTH OF TAXABLE VALUE. SO WE WERE LOST. YOU KNOW, WE WERE IN A REDUCTION AREA BY FORCE FOR MANY YEARS THERE. AND NOW YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'VE BEEN STEPPING UP AGAIN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. AND WE'VE MADE IT UP TO 3.8 BILLION. THIS IS THE GRAPH OF WHERE CITY OF STUARTS MILLAGE HAS BEEN. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S LOTS OF FLAT SECTIONS IN IT. SO CITY OF STUART DOES ENJOY AND HAS DONE THE PRACTICE OF KEEPING THE MILLAGE RATE THE SAME FOR MULTIPLE YEARS IN A ROW. THE, THE SMALL VALLEYS AND PEAKS. YOU SEE, THERE WERE OFTEN INCREDIBLE STRUGGLES ON THE PART OF THE FINANCE STAFF PUSHING AGAINST MANAGEMENT AND THE COMMISSION TO TRY AND DO THINGS. BUT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, FIVE IS WHERE WE'VE BEEN NOW SINCE 2020, AND EVERYTHING'S BEEN GOING OKAY UP TO THIS POINT. WHERE THAT HAPPENS IS HERE'S HOW IT GETS CALCULATED. SO FOR 2026, WE WIND UP WITH 18 MILLION IN BUDGETED AD VALOREM. SO WE'RE REQUIRED BY STATE STATUTE AND LAW TO BUDGET. THIS WAY WE TAKE THE TAXABLE VALUE DIVIDED BY 1000 TIMES YOUR MILLAGE RATE, WHICH I'VE CALCULATED. THIS BUDGET CURRENTLY AT OUR EXISTING MILLAGE RATE OF 5.0000 MILLS. AND THEN YOU BUDGET 95% OF THAT.

AND SO THAT'S 18 MILLION. LAST YEAR UNDER THE SAME FORMULA WE HAD 17 MILLION. NOW LAST YEAR WE PAID THE CRA $2.7 MILLION BASED ON THE CALCULATION OF THAT. AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT SLIDE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT AND SHOW YOU HOW THAT'S CALCULATED. THIS YEAR. THAT SAME MATH ARRIVES AT GENERAL FUND GIVING THE CRA $3 MILLION. SO THAT ACTUALLY LEAVES $15 MILLION IN AD VALOREM FOR GENERAL FUND TO USE. OKAY. THAT'S AN INCREASE OF $965,000. HOWEVER, THOUGH YOUR 2025 COLLECTIVE BARGAINING CONTRACTS HAVE ALREADY GUARANTEED SEVEN AND 7.5% TO THE FIRE AND POLICE, RESPECTIVELY, SO THOSE INCREASES FOR 2026 APPROXIMATELY EQUALED $540,000. NOW, THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE NEW FRS RATES THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN I MADE THIS PRESENTATION. SO NOW THAT GOES UP, THAT'LL GO UP A LITTLE BIT AS WELL. I'LL SAY IT A FEW TIMES DURING THE PRESENTATION. IT GETS WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER. WHERE THE FRS RATES SLIGHTLY HIGHER OR SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN THEY THOUGHT THAN YOU THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE IN THE CATEGORY O, WELL, LIKE ELECTED OFFICIALS. SO THE MANAGER AND I WERE DISCUSSING THIS EARLIER, I THINK BECAUSE OF AGE OUTS AND TERM LIMITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY'VE ACTUALLY REDUCED THE RATE ON ELECTED OFFICIALS AND SENIOR MANAGEMENT. THE RATE WENT DOWN, I THINK, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF AGE OUTS. BUT GENERAL EMPLOYEES WENT UP AND PUBLIC SAFETY WENT UP 7%. SO THERE'S A 7% INCREASE IN THE RETIREMENT RATE CONTRIBUTION ON THEM, WHICH TAKES IT UP TO LIKE 36% IS THE RATE ON PUBLIC SAFETY. SO SOME WENT DOWN, SOME WENT UP. BUT YEAH. AND YOU KNOW AND ANYTHING THAT'S A PENSIONABLE WAGE THAT GETS APPLIED I'M SURE IN YOUR MIND YOU WOULD SAID I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ROUGHLY THIS THE. SO HERE'S THE THINGS I TRY TO PLAY AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M MORE LOGICAL. I'M DISCONNECTED FROM PEOPLE SOMETIMES. BUT THAT'S OKAY. YOU WANT ME TO JUST BE NUMBERS. SO I LOOKED AND SAID OKAY WITH WITH THE NEW ADMINISTRATION IN WASHINGTON, THERE'S SOME THINGS GOING TO HAPPEN. WE GAMBLED ON INTEREST EARNINGS. AND I'M JUMPING AHEAD TO ANOTHER SLIDE THAT WE'LL GET TO. BUT I TRY TO LOOK AND FOLLOWING THE BILLS ALONG WITH HOGARTH AND THEM BEING ON SOME OF THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES THREADS, WE READ AND TRY TO I TRY TO PROJECT OUT WHAT'S GOING TO AFFECT US AND WHAT'S NOT. AND SO WHEN YOU GET SOME OF THESE BILLS ABOUT ADDITIONAL DISABILITY PENSION, I'M LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A 2% INCREASE ALONE BY ITSELF. AND THEN THIS WAS THAT. SO THE NET EFFECT LIKE THE NPR FOR US AND WHAT THE ACTUAL RATE,

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THERE'S ALL THOSE THINGS LIKE WITH JODY AND THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, LIKE WHAT'S IN THE HOPPER COMING ALONG, WHAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED TO OUR TAXABLE VALUE, WHO'S REDEVELOPING WHAT PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE THINGS COME IN TO SAY WHERE IS OUR INCREASE OR DECREASE IN TAXABLE VALUE GOING TO COME FROM, AND WHAT WILL IT BE TRYING TO TAKE A SHOT IN THE DARK? I DID SAY IT WAS A SINGLE DIGIT AND IT WAS, BUT I DIDN'T GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO SAY SEVEN, YOU KNOW? BUT AT LEAST AT LEAST WE WERE EXPECTING IT. THIS IS A GRAPH OF SINCE 2008, DURING THE GREAT RECESSION. WHAT HAPPENED WITH CITY OF STUART'S MILLAGE VERSUS THE COUNTY'S MILLAGE? OURS IS BLUE AND THE COUNTY'S IS RED. NOW, THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE HARPED ON MORE THAN ONCE, BUT SINCE WE HAVE SOME NEW COMMISSIONERS, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN THIS PERIOD OF TIME RIGHT HERE.

LET ME MAKE SURE I HAVE THE LASER AND NOT SOMETHING ELSE. SO THIS PERIOD OF TIME RIGHT HERE WHERE 2008 910 REMEMBER FROM OUR PREVIOUS SLIDE, PROPERTY VALUES ACTUALLY DECREASED. SO $500,000 HOMES WERE SELLING VALUED AT 250,000. RIGHT. THAT KIND OF THING. SO WE LOST TAXABLE VALUE IN THOSE YEARS. ROLLBACK RATE WAS ACTUALLY AN INCREASE. SO YOU YOU WERE ALLOWED BY LAW TO INCREASE YOUR TAX RATE TO KEEP YOUR REVENUE THE SAME. MARTIN COUNTY FOLLOWED THAT. THEY DID.

THEY DID MILLAGE INCREASES DURING THOSE YEARS. BUT IT WAS PRINTED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND BY LAW AS NO TAX INCREASE BECAUSE THEY INCREASED THEIR MILLAGE TO COLLECT THE SAME AMOUNT THEY DID THE PRIOR YEAR. SO IF THE TAXPAYER PAID $100 LAST YEAR, THEY PAID $100 AGAIN. THE CITY OF STUART, HOWEVER, KEPT OUR MILLAGE FLAT AND IN ACTUALITY OVERALL SAID SOME DONE. WE GAVE THE CITIZENS A 22% TAX CUT, BUT NEVER ONCE TOOK A VICTORY LAP OR SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO NOW, MA'AM, WELL, BUT BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS YOU. WELL, IT ACTUALLY WASN'T COMMISSIONER KRAUSKOPF. BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE LOST GENERAL FUND REVENUES LIKE GENERAL FUND REVENUE REDUCED. AND SO WE HAD TO CUT SERVICES. SO BY KEEPING THE MILLAGE RATE THE SAME, WE LOST MONEY. AND THEN YOU'LL HEAR THE MANAGER REFER TO IT'S CUMULATIVE. YOU NEVER GOT IT BACK. SO THAT OPPORTUNITY TO UP THE MILLAGE AND KEEP THE TAXES THE SAME ON THE CITIZENS. WE DIDN'T. SO NOW YOU'RE BASICALLY YOU'VE BEEN TAKING ALL THIS TIME TO TRY AND CLAW BACK WHERE YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN, BUT IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ANY TAX INCREASE ON THE CITIZEN HAD YOU FOLLOWED THE LAW AND TAKEN THE ROLLBACKS WHEN YOU WERE ALLOWED TO TAKE THEM. RIGHT. SO INSTEAD, THE TAXES HAVE BEEN DOWN. NO ONE EVER CALLS ME AND COMPLAINS THEIR TAXES ARE LOW. THEY JUST CALL AND COMPLAIN WHEN THE TAXES ARE HIGH. SO AND NOW, BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A LOW TAX RATE, THINK ABOUT THIS A 2.5%, A TWO AND A HALF MIL INCREASE ON TEN MILLS IS 25%. TWO AND A HALF MILL INCREASE ON FIVE MILLS IS 50%. SO EVERY MOVE YOU TRY TO MAKE IS ADVERTISED AS A LARGER TAX INCREASE BY DOING THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF YOU DON'T TAKE TAKE WHAT WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO TAKE, IT'S LIKE A PTO DAY THAT YOU KNOW, YOU LOSE AT THE END OF THE YEAR. IF YOU DON'T TAKE IT, IT'S LOST. BUT TO YOUR POINT, MUNICIPALITIES NEVER LOWER TAXES AS PROPERTY VALUES INCREASE. IF. NO, THERE NO, NO, THERE THERE ARE THERE ARE MUNICIPALITIES THAT DO THAT.

THEY DID THE ISSUE IS IN THOSE YEARS IF THEY DO ROLLBACK THAT'S GREAT. BUT SOMETHING ELSE HAD TO HAPPEN IN IN COINCIDENCE WITH IT EITHER AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE SOURCE CAME IN OR THEY HAD LIKE THEY SOLD OFF THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR SERVICES TO SOMEBODY LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHERE I CAME FROM,

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PALM BEACH COUNTY DOES EVERYTHING FOR BELLE GLADE NOW, SO THEY'RE BASICALLY A DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT THAT ISSUES NO PERMITS. THEY DON'T HAVE POLICE, THEY DON'T HAVE FIRE. THEY DON'T DO THEIR OWN WATER. THEY DON'T DO THEIR OWN RECREATION. THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING. THEY REDUCE THEIR MILLAGE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING. SO IT'S HARD TO, TO KEEP PACE AND THOSE AMENITIES, AS YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE, THE COST MONEY, A LAWN MOWER IS NOT CHEAPER TODAY THAN IT WAS IN 2008. SO WHEN MILTON SAYS WE NEED NEW LAWN MOWER, I MEAN, IT'S JUST MORE IT'S EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT YOU CAN'T GO DOWN TO LOWE'S AND BUY A NEW LAWN MOWER, AND IT BE CHEAPER THAN THE ONE THAN THE ONE YOU BOUGHT IN 2008. OKAY, SO THERE'S GIVE AND TAKES TO EVERYTHING. AND SO I ALWAYS SAY THAT AND WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO ANYTHING, JUST NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO DO EVERYTHING NICE. OKAY, NOW I REVISIT THIS SLIDE BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE THIS IS THE CONUNDRUM THAT I'M AT. AND SO THE COMMISSION GIVES THE CITY THE DIRECTION, THE COMMISSION DETERMINES WHERE WE'RE GOING AND WHAT DIRECTION WE GO. LIKE, YOU'RE THE WILL OF THE OF THE CITY AND WHAT DIRECTION WE TAKE. CITY MANAGER EXECUTES YOUR WILL.

AND I'M JUST A TOOL THAT THE CITY MANAGER USES TO GET THAT DONE. SO HERE'S WHERE I'M AT.

THIS PATTERN HAS REPEATED ITSELF, AND THIS IS THE THIRD TIME WE HAD A DOUBLE DOUBLE SINGLE. AND THEN IT JUST BOTTOMED OUT. IT WENT LOWER ONE MORE TIME AND THEN BASICALLY RETURNED, AND NOW IT'S GONE UP AGAIN. BUT HERE WE HAD A DOUBLE DOUBLE SINGLE AND THEN THE BOTTOM COLLAPSED. IT FELL OUT. SO IN OUR NEXT YEAR FOR 2026. WHAT'S IT GOING TO DO. IS IT GOING TO FLATTEN OUT. IS IT GOING TO STABILIZE OR IS IT GOING TO DROP AGAIN. AND THAT PART I DON'T KNOW. AND SO HERE'S THE NEXT PART OF THIS MODEL. WE ARE USING WHAT IS CALLED THE 2025 TAX ROLL TO CALCULATE THE 2026 BUDGET. SO ANY PROPERTY THAT WAS CODE BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2024 IS WHAT GOT VALUED IN THE 2025 TAX ROLL. SO THAT SEVEN COMES FROM EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2024. NOW, NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET WILL BE BASED ON WHATEVER CODE BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2025. SO WHAT WAS DONE BY CHRISTMAS, YOU KNOW, IS WHAT WILL BE ON THAT TAX ROLL.

SO THE 2025 TAX ROLL WILL BE WHAT'S ON THE 2020. IT IS ON THE 26. WHAT'S ON THE 27 IS WHAT GETS DONE THIS YEAR BY CHRISTMAS. TO BE ON THAT. THAT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING BUT IT'S ALWAYS A YEAR BEHIND. SO IF WE THINK ABOUT UPCOMING PROJECTS OR ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED, THAT'S WHAT WOULD GO INTO OUR 27 BUDGET. SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AND SAY, WELL, WHAT'S COMING IN THE HOPPER? THAT'S WHY I WAS REFERRING EARLIER. YOU TALKED TO JODI AND LIKE, WHAT'S IN THE HOPPER AND DEVELOPMENT? WHAT'S WHAT'S COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION? THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE WHERE WE TRY TO LOOK FORWARD AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT. NEXT YEAR'S TAXABLE VALUE INCREASE TO BE. AND THEN I ALWAYS WAIT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SURPRISE AND SEE WHAT MILLAGE YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE ME. DO YOU LIKE ME TO KEEP THE MILLAGE OR YOU DO WHATEVER WITH IT? SO NOW HOW THE CRA VALUE IS CALCULATED. SO BUDGETARILY THEY HAD A 10% INCREASE THEIR ORIGINAL BASE VALUE OF $299 MILLION IS NOW $940 MILLION IS THE CURRENT VALUE. HAD AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION WITH THE MANAGER. YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF STUART HAD A CRA BEFORE WE HAD A TAX INCREMENT FINANCING, AND WE WERE PONDERING LIKE, WHERE WOULD WE BE TODAY HAD WE STARTED THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING, YOU KNOW, THE TRUST FUND BACK WHEN THE CRA WAS STARTED INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, TEN YEARS AFTER. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. SO THIS IS GENERATING $3 MILLION TO CRA FROM GENERAL FUND. IT'S $268,000 MORE THAN LAST YEAR. THE WAY THAT WORKS IS HERE. SO WE HAVE THE BASE YEAR, RIGHT. THIS IS THE BASE YEAR OF WHERE IT STARTED. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE ORIGINAL DONE IN 1998. HERE WAS THE EAST STUART EXTENSION DONE IN 2002. HERE'S WHEN WE ADDED THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX PROPERTY IN 2006. AND HERE WAS THE 2015 EXPANSION.

ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE LIKE TO CALL NORTH OF THE BRIDGE. AND THEN HERE'S WHAT THEIR TAXABLE VALUE IS THIS YEAR IN THOSE VARIOUS PROPERTIES. THIS BEING THAT NEW INCREMENT. SO YOU KNOW, PROPERTY VALUES WENT UP $473 MILLION IN THE CORE, 8 MILLION IN EAST STUART AND 158 MILLION IN THE 2015 EXPANSION. THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX IS EXEMPT BECAUSE IT'S FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE. AND THEN WE DO THAT SAME CALCULATION THAT WE DO FOR GENERAL FUND. SO HERE'S TIMES THE MILLS, DIVIDED

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AND WITH A TOTAL BUDGET OF 48 MILLION, AD VALOREM IS BASICALLY 35% OF GENERAL FUNDS BUDGET, WHICH IS WHAT FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES. AND SOME OF THESE, THE LEGISLATORS WERE ASKING LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET RID OF AD VALOREM, WHAT IMPACT IS IT GOING TO HAVE ON CITIES? IT'S LIKE IT'S 35% OF THEIR BUDGET. YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THEIR BUDGET ISN'T PROPERTY TAX, HOWEVER, AT 14 MILLION, OUR POLICE AND FIRE IS $23 MILLION OF THE BUDGET. AND I WOULD SAY PERSONALLY, I THINK WHEN YOU ASK A CITIZEN LIKE, WHAT DO YOU PAY YOUR PROPERTY TAX FOR? I THINK USUALLY THEY LIST POLICE AND FIRE FIRST. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. THEY COULD SAY, HEY, WE LOVE OUR COMMISSIONERS. WE PAY TAXES TO PAY COMMISSIONERS IF THEY LISTED THAT FIRST, YOU KNOW. HEY. OKAY, GREAT. SO YOU KNOW THE SPLIT IS SO HERE'S AN INTERESTING SPLIT FROM CITY COMMISSION BECAUSE I NUMBERED THE DEPARTMENTS 30 YEARS AGO. I GAVE THEM THEIR NUMBERS. THAT'S WHERE YOUR NUMBERS CAME FROM. SO FROM CITY COMMISSION DOWN THROUGH CITY ATTORNEY, WHICH IS LIKE THE FIRST FEW DEPARTMENTS BEFORE PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AFTER IT, WE ALL ADD UP TO 19 MILLION. SO EVERYBODY ELSE COMMISSION, FIRE DEPARTMENT, FINANCE, IT, STREETS, PARKS AND REC, YOU KNOW EVERYBODY. WE'RE 19 MILLION IN PUBLIC SAFETY IS 23. SO PUBLIC SAFETY IS 70% OF OUR BUDGET. AND AVALON WAS ONLY 35%. SO PROPERTY TAXES DON'T. IF WE DIDN'T HAVE POLICE AND FIRE, THE PROPERTY TAXES WE CURRENTLY COLLECT WOULDN'T COVER EVERYBODY ELSE AT 19 MILLION. 14 MILLION DOESN'T COVER IT. LIKEWISE. INVERSELY, CERTAINLY 14 MILLION DOESN'T COVER 23. SO WE HAVE A $9 MILLION DEFICIT OF PROPERTY TAX TO PUBLIC SAFETY ALONE. AND AS I SAID HERE IN MY ANSWER TO THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, I MEAN, THAT'S WE HAVEN'T EVEN CONSIDERED TRANSPORTATION ADDING THE 7%. OH YEAH. WE HAVEN'T EVEN ADDED THE NEW THE NEW RATES.

YEAH. THAT THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT YET. I'M JUST SAYING USING THE 25 ADOPTED BUDGET, WE HAVEN'T EVEN DISCUSSED, LIKE FILLING A POTHOLE OR TURNING ON A LIGHT AT A, AT A TENNIS COURT. JOHN HATCH IS WATCHING. YEAH, YEAH. AND SO THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES ACTUALLY SELECTED THE CITY OF STUART TO BE ONE OF THEIR DEMONSTRATIVE EXAMPLES TO GO INTO THAT. SO THEY SENT US A REQUEST TO SAY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE US, AND THEY WILL BE INCLUDING THE CITY OF STUART IN THEIR PRESENTATION. AND IT WAS ACTUALLY WE HAD SUBMITTED THIS INFORMATION ALREADY, AND IT WASN'T THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE US. THEY SAID, HERE'S THE DATA YOU SUBMITTED. WE ARE WE ARE DOING IT. CITY OF STUART. AND IS IT CORRECT? AND THEREFORE DOUBLE CHECK IT TO MAKE SURE YOUR NUMBERS ARE RIGHT AND THEY'RE ONLY GOING THROUGH 2023 BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW WITH THE AUDIT, LIKE I JUST WE JUST COMPLETED THE 24 AUDIT AND WE UPLOADED THOSE NUMBERS TO THE STATE, WHICH IS WHY DEPARTMENT PEOPLE THE ACCOUNT NUMBERS ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE STATE IT'S NOT JUST JOLIE'S STUFF, IT'S THE STATE WANTS OUR EXPENSES BY THOSE ACCOUNT NUMBERS. SO WE UPLOADED THE 24, BUT THEY'VE BEEN PUSHING THE 23 AROUND TO ALL THE CITIES BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THAT THEY'VE HAD TIME TO ANALYZE AND LOOK AT. SO THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THIS FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES PRESENTATION TO THE LEGISLATURE IS ACTUALLY FROM OUR 23 YEAR END, NOT EVEN. AND THIS, THIS NUMBER KIND OF GOT, IF I CAN USE THE PHRASE WORSE IN 24 AND 25. SO BUT AT LEAST THE INFORMATION IS GETTING OUT THERE AND I THINK CITY OF STUART'S GOING TO HAVE A, A VOICE IN THE CONVERSATION AND A SEAT AT THE TABLE POSSIBLY. NOW, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CAN'T READ THIS, I BELIEVE

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LET ME ZOOM IN FOR YOU. SO RIGHT HERE JUST AND I KIND OF STOPPED AT THE TOP HALF, SORT OF. SO YES, AD VALOREM TAXES ARE 35% OF THE 25 ADOPTED BUDGET, THE ORIGINAL ADOPTED BUDGET.

HOWEVER, IT'S THE ONLY DOUBLE DIGIT REVENUE SOURCE WE HAVE. OKAY, NOW A FEW POINTS OF INTEREST. THE VERY NEXT LINE INTEREST AT $4.3 MILLION WAS 8% 8.9% OF THE 25 BUDGET. TWO YEARS AGO, IT WASN'T EVEN 1% OF THE BUDGET. SO TO COMMISSIONER GIOBBI'S COMMENT EARLIER, THIS IS THE THING WHERE I'M LIKE, OKAY, THE NEW ADMINISTRATION IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE SOME POSITIVE EFFECTS ON THE ECONOMY. I CAN PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, BUDGET SOME THINGS. NUMBERS STARTED TICKING UP. WE HAVE A VERY DIVERSIFIED INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO, BUT WE DO FOLLOW THE FLORIDA STATE STATUTE. I CAN'T INVEST IN BITCOIN, FOR EXAMPLE. RIGHT. I CAN'T BUY BITCOIN. BUT THE INTEREST ARE GOING UP. AND AS I ADMITTED IN THE LAST HEARING THAT I HAD WITH YOU WHEN WE DECIDED TO HIRE THE ATTORNEY, RIGHT, INSTEAD OF ATTORNEY, WE HIRED AN ATTORNEY. THE ATTORNEY WAS $300,000. WAS THE WAS THE NUT, I ADDED. THAT'S WHY THAT'S $4,300,000. OKAY. I PUT THE $300,000 ON INTEREST AT THE LAST MINUTE. I CAN TELL YOU NOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT NUMBER THIS YEAR, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN THE STOCK MARKET DOES BETTER, THE BOND MARKET DOES WORSE. SO AND WE ARE WE DO HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL PAPER IN OUR INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO, BUT WE'RE PRIMARILY IN US GOVERNMENT TREASURIES AND BONDS. SO VERY SAFE. YOU KNOW WE DON'T PLAY WITH PRINCIPAL AT ALL LIKE WE DON'T LOSE PRINCIPAL I'LL LOSE INTEREST EARNINGS BUT I WON'T LOSE PRINCIPAL. SO I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THE 4,000,003 THIS YEAR. AND I'M ALREADY PROJECTING LIKE ONLY 3 MILLION NEXT YEAR. SO WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN $1 MILLION HIT IN OUR REVENUES JUST IN THE INTEREST EARNINGS. SO. AND I WOULD NEVER BUDGET TO PAY FOR FIREFIGHTERS OR, YOU KNOW, RECREATION PEOPLE OUT OF INTEREST EARNINGS. ESPECIALLY WITH MY HISTORY HERE, I'VE SEEN IT GO FROM 12% INTEREST EARNINGS EVERY YEAR ON THE NOSE TO YOU KNOW NEGATIVE. RIGHT. WE'RE INTEREST EARNINGS WAS AN EXPENSE. SO INTEREST EARNINGS AREN'T RELIABLE ENOUGH TO BE A CONTINUING REVENUE SOURCE. THAT NEXT LINE THAT'S 6.6% INTERFUND TRANSFERS. THAT'S MONEY THE GENERAL FUND COLLECTS FROM OTHER FUNDS LIKE THE UTILITY FUNDS AS WELL AS THE LEASED PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FUND. AND FOR EXAMPLE, PART OF THAT 3 MILLION IS A $500,000 TRANSFER FROM THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FUND. THAT IS A DIRECT PAYMENT OUT FOR THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT WE OWED ON THE COURTHOUSE COMMONS PROPERTY THAT WE BOUGHT. EXCUSE ME. THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS OF INTEREST EARNINGS. THERE'S THE RATE AND THEN THERE'S THE PRINCIPAL WHICH THAT RATE. YES.

CAN WE EXPECT THAT PRINCIPAL BALANCE TO REMAIN THE SAME GOING FORWARD? I I'M NOT INVADING THE PRINCIPAL. YEAH. WE'RE NOT INVADING THE I'M NOT I'M JUST ASKING. OH NO, I HAVE NO PLANS TO INVADE THE PRINCIPAL. OKAY. THE CITY MANAGER ONCE WAS ONCE TERMED IN HIS PREVIOUS CAREER AS DOOM, AND I WAS GLOOM. AND HE SAID I HAD A WHOLE BAG OF NO. SO I KNOW HOW TO SAY NO IN LOTS AND LOTS OF WAYS. GOOD. SO THERE'S NO TOUCHING THE PRINCIPAL. AS I SAID, I DON'T PLAY WITH PRINCIPAL, BUT REGARDLESS OF YOUR PRINCIPAL BALANCE, I MEAN, I ALREADY SAW IT LOSE A MILLION.

SO FROM WHAT WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO MAKE THIS YEAR TO NEXT YEAR IS ALREADY A MILLION LESS. OKAY. SO AND AS I WAS SAYING, I WOULD NEVER BUDGET AN ONGOING EXPENSE WITH AN

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SO THAT'S NOT EVEN THAT'S NOT LIKE MONEY YOU GET TO SPEND THAT'S ALREADY TIED TO AN EXPENSE. THAT'S WHAT WE CALL REVENUE NEUTRAL. AND THE OTHERS ARE INTERFUND TRANSFERS. SO THE VERY NEXT REVENUE THAT WE ALL GET TO LIKE TALK ABOUT AND THAT GETS CHALLENGED OR GETS BUDGETED IS THE HALF CENT SALES TAX THAT IS THE EXISTING SIX CENT SALES TAX THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA DOES. SO AS I SAID EARLIER, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND 30 YEARS TO HEAR ME SAY THIS, I'LL REPEAT IT AGAIN. THE STATE OF FLORIDA SALES TAX RATE IS $0.06. WHEN YOUR LOCAL RETAILER COLLECTS THAT $0.06, THEY SEND IT TO TALLAHASSEE. TALLAHASSEE KEEPS FIVE AND A HALF CENTS OF IT, AND A HALF CENT COMES BACK TO MARTIN COUNTY. AND THEN THAT HALF CENT IS DISTRIBUTED BASED ON POPULATION. SO THAT CORNER I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEING PAINTED INTO COMMISSIONER, WITH THE GROWTH IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS AND THE GROWTH IN OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES LIKE INDIANTOWN, AS THE TOTAL COUNTY POPULATION GROWS, STEWART'S PERCENTAGE OF THAT POPULATION SHRINKS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS. AND IF OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES INCREASE THEIR POPULATION, OUR PERCENTAGE OF THAT SHRINKS. SO YOU COULD DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING DIFFERENT. BEST BUY COULD SELL MORE, YOU KNOW, JUST AS MANY TVS AS THEY SOLD LAST YEAR. AND WE WILL GET LESS OF THIS REVENUE IN A VERY NEAR FUTURE. OKAY. SO NOW WE COULD HOPE THAT TOTAL SALES CONTINUE TO GO UP. RIGHT? SO IF TOTAL SALES IF WE GET MORE COMMERCIAL, IF COSTCO REALLY DOES START SELLING AND COLLECTING SALES TAX OUT THE WAZOO, THAT COULD KEEP THIS REVENUE HIGH FOR US. YOU KNOW, KEEP IT GROWING. BUT THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT CAN BE CONTROLLED IS BY MORE SALES. I DON'T THINK THAT YOU KNOW, ANY WE I THINK IN MY LAST YEAR'S BUDGET PRESENTATION, WE SHOWED THE POPULATION GROWTH. SO IN 30 YEARS WE GREW 4000 PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, I STARTED AT 16,000 HERE AND WE'RE AT 20. SO IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP PACE WITH THAT. SO HOPEFULLY WE JUST SELL A LOT OF STUFF. BUT REMEMBER EVERYTHING WE SELL MARTIN COUNTY, INDIANTOWN. RIGHT. THOSE PEOPLE GET A SHARE OF IT TOO. YEAH. IF I CAN JUST CHIME IN ON THAT. SO THE HALF CENT SALES TAX THAT JOLIE AND FINANCE TALKS ABOUT IS THE LOCAL PORTION OF THE STATE SALES TAX. REALITY OF IT IS, IS THAT THE STATE CHARGES 6%, 93% OF THE GENERATED FUNDS GOES TO TALLAHASSEE. THE REMAINING 7% STAYS LOCAL. THAT 7% THAT STAYS LOCAL IS DIVIDED BASED UPON POPULATION. AND OUR 9.8 OR WHATEVER PERCENT OF THAT 7% ACTUALLY ENDS UP EQUATING TO A HALF CENT SALES TAX. AND THAT'S THE POPULATION DRIVES WILL CHANGE THAT NUMBER OVER TIME, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF A HALF CENT SALES TAX. YEP. THE MANAGERS LIKE VERY GOOD AT THIS FINANCE STUFF. SO IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD BACKUP. AND THEN OF COURSE AS YOU CAN SEE THINGS LIKE UTILITY TAX ELECTRIC OUR FRANCHISE FEES WE CHARGE ON ELECTRIC AND IT GOES ON DOWN THE LINE. YOU CAN SEE SEWALL'S POINT PROTECTION CURRENTLY. YOU KNOW LAST YEAR THIS YEAR IT WENT UP AGAIN. THERE WAS ANOTHER ESCALATOR. BUT SEWALL'S POINT PAYS US $700,000 IN PROTECTION FEE. THAT OBVIOUSLY WITH $9 MILLION IN THE HOLE AGAINST PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU KNOW THAT. YEAH. THAT DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T FILL THE HOLE. SO AND THEN RIGHT THERE, OUR LAST REVENUE THAT'S AT LEAST 1% OF GENERAL FUND WAS THE VOTED DEBT SERVICE MILLAGE, WHICH IS A DIRECT PAYMENT TO THE BONDS. SO THAT'S NOT EVEN MONEY. YOU GET TO KEEP THAT. THAT'S DIRECTLY OFFSET BY AN EXACT MATCHING EXPENSE THAT WE PAY FOR THE BONDS THAT WE BORROWED TO BUILD THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX IN EAST STEWART. SO AFTER THAT, EVERY REVENUE AFTER THAT IS LESS THAN 1% OF GENERAL FUNDS BUDGET. SO THE MANAGER AND I COME UP WITH 65% OF THIS BUDGET FROM SINGLE DIGIT REVENUE SOURCES. AND, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN 1% REVENUES. SO THAT THAT THAT'S HOW THIS GETS, THAT'S HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE AND HOW THIS ALL GETS PUT TOGETHER. NOW, I OFTEN TALK ABOUT HOW THIS IS DONE. SO WE PLAY A LITTLE GAME OF GO FISH. I COME IN AND SAY WELL I GOT 48. AND HE SAYS, WELL I GOT 44. GO FISH. YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY TWOS. SO I'M LIKE, OKAY, SO RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET AND AGAIN THIS SLIDE WAS WRONG. YOU KNOW FIVE SECONDS AFTER I MADE IT RIGHT. THIS NUMBER'S A GROWING LIVING CHANGING NUMBER BY THE MINUTE.

BUT AT THE TIME I PRESSED SAVE BUTTON ON THIS PRESENTATION, REVENUES WERE AT 44 MILLION.

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COMMISSIONER COLLINS, THAT COMMISSIONER KRAUSKOPF ORIGINALLY IMAGINED THE LEASE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FUND WHERE ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY OWNS THAT THEY LEASE OUT TO COMMERCIAL VENTURES, WHICH MAKES THEM TAXABLE BY THE BY EVEN THOUGH WE OWN IT, IT BECOMES TAXABLE BECAUSE WE RENT IT. THE THOSE FUNDS ARE PARKED SEPARATELY IN THEIR OWN FUND AND THE MONEY COLLECTED OFF THE RENT IS PUT AGAINST THE MAINTENANCE ON THOSE PROPERTIES. AND ANY AMOUNT ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT IS TRANSFERRED TO GENERAL FUND FOR ITS NEEDS, SUCH AS MAKING THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT ON BUYING THE COURTHOUSE COMMONS BUILDING AND THE RENT ON THE COURTHOUSE COMMONS BUILDING IS WHAT'S PAYING THE RENT OR PAYING THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT. RATHER, ON THAT BUILDING, WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, SCRAPE A LITTLE A LITTLE SAMPLE OFF THE TOP AS NEEDED.

BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BECOME ADDICTED TO FUNDING GENERAL FUND WITH TRANSFERS FROM OTHER PLACES. BUT THAT THAT IS ONE OF OUR BETTER THINGS THAT WE DID. THOSE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF GOOD RABBITS AND THEY'RE RENEWABLE RESOURCES. RIGHT. SO THAT THAT LEASED PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FUND HAS CONSISTENTLY GENERATED A VERY GOOD, HEALTHY RETURN. AND THE GENERAL INSURANCE THIS YEAR, THE MANAGER AND I MET AND WE TALKED AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE BASICALLY DOUBLE INSURED AND WE HAVE SOME PROPERTIES ON THE BOOKS THAT ARE ALREADY FULLY DEPRECIATED OUT. AND IF THEY WERE DESTROYED, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO REPLACE THEM ANYWAY, SOME EQUIPMENT. AND AFTER WE DID THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT RESULTED IN THAT 7% DECREASE IN THE PROPERTY INSURANCE THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S A THAT'S AN ONGOING RELIABLE EXPENSE EXPENSE SAVINGS SITUATIONS TO GIVE YOU EXAMPLES WOULD BE IF THE IF WE LEASED THE LONG THE 40 YEAR LAND LEASE FOR THE FUNERAL HOME ON MONTEREY, WE OWN THE LAND AND IT'S A LAND LEASE. THEY BUILT THE BUILDING, BUT THE PROPERTY WAS ON OUR BOOKS, AND PART OF THEIR LEASE REQUIRES THEM TO MAINTAIN FULL LIABILITY INSURANCE AND INSURANCE ON THE BUILDING. SO WE WERE LISTING IT AS A CITY ASSET, PAYING DOUBLE INSURANCE ON IT. SO WE WENT THROUGH AND SIFTED THOSE OUT AND REMOVED THOSE SO THAT WE DIDN'T PAY THE DOUBLE INSURANCE ON THEM. THEN OUR NEXT LEVEL IS LIKE THE OKAY, RABBITS, LIKE DEFERRING PROJECTS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE PUT IT OFF. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T BUILD SOMETHING THIS YEAR. WE DON'T BUY SOMETHING LIKE, HEY, CAN YOU DRIVE THAT OLD TRUCK ONE MORE TIME, YOU KNOW? AND JUST AS A SHOUT OUT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY HAD TRUCKS THAT WERE OLDER THAN THE DRIVERS DRIVING THEM. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD USED TRUCKS FROM 1996 IN THE FLEET. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS TIME TO REPLACE THEM. SO WE'VE DONE OUR YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB. THE CHIEF, THE TWO CHIEFS IN THE, IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF WORKING WITH THE MANAGER MYSELF TO GET A LOT OF THAT EQUIPMENT REPLACED. SO THOSE ARE LIKE NEEDS NOT WANTS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT ONE IS NOT GOOD OR THE ONE TIME REVENUE SOURCES. THAT'S ALMOST THE WORST RABBIT PULL. SO THAT'S LIKE A SINGLE FUNDING LIKE A THING. SO RIGHT NOW THE GENERAL INSURANCE SAVINGS, IT WAS AN INNOVATIVE IDEA AND IT'S PROBABLY RECURRING UNLESS WE BUY NEW STUFF OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS. IF A HURRICANE DID HIT US AND WIPED IT OUT, THAT 7% SAVINGS WOULD DISAPPEAR THE NEXT YEAR. SO JUST GOING IN THIS YEAR AND LIKE, WOO HOO, WE SAVED MONEY. LET'S LET'S FUND A BUNCH OF NEW EQUIPMENT AND STUFF WITH THE SAVINGS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE PRUDENT OR DIPPING INTO A RESERVE. SO AS I SAID, WE HAVE RESERVES THAT WE MAINTAIN. ONE OF THOSE BEING

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SO DON'T PUT ANY MONEY IN THERE. HOW ABOUT I ONLY PUT 100,000. I'LL GIVE YOU THE 250. RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, LIKE CAN WE, CAN WE NEGOTIATE THIS. AND SO NOT FUNDING YOUR RESERVES IS ALWAYS NOT AN ADVISABLE PRACTICE ON OUR PART. THE CITY OF STUART HAS THE CREDIT RATING THAT IT HAS. IT HAS THE STANDARDS THAT WE'VE MAINTAINED AND THE FINANCIAL. YOU KNOW, I DID THE REPORT CARD FOR THE MAYOR LAST YEAR WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THOSE EQUITY RATIOS AND ASSET LIABILITY RATIOS THAT WE DO AND HOW MOODY'S HAS RATED THE CITY SO FINANCIALLY SOUND IS BECAUSE I HAVE A WHOLE BAG OF NO. AND WE JUST SAY NO TO A LOT OF THINGS. SO I JUST WOULDN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO JEOPARDIZE THAT. NOW, WHY ARE WE STILL OUT OF BALANCE? THE MANAGER HASN'T MADE ANY CUTS YET WITH THE DEPARTMENTS, SO AND THAT AND THAT'S WHAT'S COMING. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. THE MANAGER HASN'T MADE THE CUTS YET. AND WE ALSO HAVEN'T DONE ANY AVAILABLE FUNDING SOURCE TO BE ALLOCATED. SO THIS IS THE PART WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS BUDGET REVIEW PROCESS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS IS WHERE THE RABBITS COME INTO PLAY. AND THIS, THIS STUFF HAPPENS. SO WHEN WE GET INTO THE MANAGER MEETING WITH THE DEPARTMENTS TO DETERMINE WHAT IS A NEED VERSUS A WANT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I JUST SEE IT ALL AND IT'S $4 MILLION OUT OF BALANCE. SO OKAY THIS IS WHAT YOU ASKED FOR 4 MILLION OUT. WE'LL SIT DOWN WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEAD AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT IN THIS LIST IS IT LIKE, ALL RIGHT. IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO HAVE THIS, BUT THIS IS BROKEN. WE HAVE TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE. THEN I CAN LOOK AND SAY, OKAY, IF THIS IS A KEEPER, THEN MAYBE I CAN FUND THAT WITH IMPACT FEES.

IF IT QUALIFIES, MAYBE I CAN FUND THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING OR I HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT WE JUST SOLD SOMETHING. AND FOR THIS ONE TIME THIS YEAR, WE SOLD A TRUCK AND WE GOT 150,000 FOR THAT GARBAGE TRUCK WE SOLD. AND YOU NEED A NEW TRUCK FOR 160. I ONLY GOT TO COME UP WITH TEN. SO THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF HORSE TRADING MEETINGS THAT WE DO WITH THEM. SO ONCE WE KNOW WHAT THE NEEDS ARE VERSUS THE WANTS, THEN I CAN START TRYING TO LOOK FOR AVAILABLE FUNDING SOURCES. WE CAN ALSO SAY IF THIS IS A NEED, MAYBE THIS APPLIES AGAINST ONE OF THESE GRANTS. SO AND ANOTHER ONE TIME SOURCES LIKE ARPA RIGHT. WE HAD ARPA MONEY. THE ARPA MONEY'S GONE. SO THAT ARPA WAS A RABBIT. IT WAS A IT WAS AN $8 MILLION RABBIT THAT FUNDED A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, SOME STORMWATER PROJECTS FUNDED, YOU KNOW, PART OF STATION THREE, THE FIRE STATION THREE. I MEAN, WE USE THAT WHOLE 8 MILLION ON EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD. WE STILL HAVE THINGS COULD USE IT FOR PERSONNEL COSTS. NO YOU COULDN'T. YEAH, BUT YOU COULDN'T CAUSE A SHORTFALL IN THE RIGHT.

RIGHT. YOU COULD. IT'S LIKE SOME OF THESE GRANTS WHERE THEY PAY FOR THE EMPLOYEE FOR THREE YEARS, AND THEN YOU'RE ON THE HOOK FOR THE WHOLE THING. IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING. IT WOULD LOOK GREAT THIS YEAR. BUT THEN NEXT YEAR YOU'D BE LIKE, WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR MONEY? WHICH IS WHY I THINK EVEN THOUGH IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE THE E ATTORNEY, IT IS. YOU KNOW, IT'S TOUGH BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A ONE TIME THING THAT WE'RE, WE HAD SAID TO USE THAT MONEY FOR, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY TO KEEP THAT STAFF AND PERSONNEL GOING OVER TIME, WITH ADDITIONAL EXPENSES. SO YEAH. YES, MA'AM. WELL, THAT'S MY JOB TO DO FOR YOU. IF YOU TELL ME YOU WANT THE E ATTORNEY, I, YOU KNOW, AND THE MANAGER SAYS MAKE IT HAPPEN, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO YES, WE WILL. WE WILL LOOK AT THOSE, SEE IF THERE'S ANY MORE AVAILABLE FUNDING SOURCES SUCH AS GRANTS OR, OR OTHER SINGLE OPPORTUNITIES THAT HAPPEN. THOSE WOULD BE RABBITS, NOT SUSTAINABLE REVENUES. YOU JUST SAW WHERE OUR ONGOING SUSTAINABLE REVENUES ARE AND YOU ONLY CONTROL ONE OF THEM. AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER AND I WILL CONTINUE INTO THE BONUS ROUNDS OF THE GO FISH GAME THAT WE DO.

AND YOU KNOW, WE DO. YEAH, WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE ON THE THING, BUT IT'S A PUT AND TAKE. SO BUT YOU KNOW WE'VE NEVER NOT DELIVERED. SO REST ASSURED THE $3.9 MILLION OUT OF BALANCE RIGHT NOW WILL GET WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER. BUT WE'LL WE'LL BRING IT HOME OVER THE GOAL LINE EVENTUALLY. SO THEN I GUESS, MR. MANAGER, AT THIS POINT I WOULD SAY TWO THINGS THAT THAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT WE NEED SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMISSION ON WHAT THE MILLAGE THEY WOULD LIKE ME TO PUT, NOT TO EXCEED AS THE RESPONSE ON THE DOCTOR FOR 20 AND ALSO SETTING UP A BUDGET WORKSHOPS. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND WHEN TO SET UP THE BUDGET

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IF YOU MAKE IT EIGHT MILLS, WE'RE GOOD. I'M A LOT MORE MONEY LAYING AROUND. OBVIOUSLY, WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT, BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS SOME DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD IS THAT ARE WE GOING TO LEAVE IT DIRECTLY AT FIVE AND MAINTAIN IT AS WE HAVE FOR I THINK THE LAST SEVEN YEARS? AND THEN ALSO, I WAS THINKING PROBABLY THE FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP COULD BE THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST SOMETIME, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO HAVE THAT BEFORE A MONDAY NIGHT MEETING OR AS A SEPARATE MEETING. AND YOU KNOW, YOUR CALL. OKAY. THANK YOU. MY LIGHT ON. THANKS. JUST FOR JODY, I WANTED TO ASK YOU IF YOU USED ANY OF YOUR TIME EVEN JUST THINKING TIME. NOT EVEN REAL NUMBERS. TIME WHEN THE GOVERNOR AND THE CABINET WAS THINKING ABOUT THE NO PROPERTY TAX IDEA. DID YOU EVER. THAT'S WHAT WE JUST SAID TO YOU. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE USING. THAT'S WHAT THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES IS USING OUR NUMBERS FOR. THAT WAS THAT WHOLE PRESENTATION WAS WE PUT THAT TOGETHER TO BE USED AS ONE OF THE EXAMPLES IN THE BECAUSE I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T I SOMEHOW I MISSED THAT IF YOU HAD DONE A WHOLE SET OF NUMBERS, WELL, YOU JUST KNOW HE PUT IT OUT THAT WE RECEIVE $14 MILLION A YEAR IN AD VALOREM TAXES.

RIGHT? RIGHT. AND PUBLIC SAFETY COST $23 MILLION A YEAR. SO IF THE STATE CANCELS AD VALOREM TAXES, WE'LL HAVE TO CANCEL PUBLIC SAFETY. I JUST WANTED TO PROBABLY REEMPHASIZE THAT THAT'S YOUR STATE RATE OF 6% RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A LITTLE THOUGHT EXPERIMENT THE MANAGER AND I WERE PLAYING AROUND WITH YOUR HALF CENT SALES TAX NOW AT ITS CURRENT RATE OF SIX, AND EVERYTHING WE SELL IN STUART TODAY GENERATES $2 MILLION TO REPLACE THE 14. WHAT RATE WOULD WOULD THE SALES TAX HAVE TO BE TO REPLACE OUR AD VALOREM. WELL, JUPITER ISLAND HAS NO RETAIL PROPERTY SALES AT ALL AND THEIR THEIR BUDGET IS 98% AD VALOREM. AND SALES TAX IS BASED UPON POPULATION. IT'S BASED ON POPULATION ONLY HAS 475 HOMES. RIGHT. SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU UP THE SALES TAX RATE TO 30%, I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE TO DO A BUNCH OF THINGS, COMMISSIONER, LIKE START CHARGING SALES TAX ON FOOD, START CHARGING, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO PAY YOUR YARD MAN YOUR YARD SERVICE, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW SALES TAX. SO IT I DON'T CURRENTLY KNOW HOW THE STATE OF FLORIDA GETS AWAY FROM PROPERTY TAX AND MOVES TO A USE TAX TO REPLACE THAT REVENUE SOURCE.

OKAY, I JUST RIGHT. JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT CLEAR TO TALK ABOUT. AGAIN, JUST WHILE WE'RE DISCUSSING THE BUDGET. NO NOTHING ON THAT EXCEPT YEAH, I'D BE INTERESTED TO. YOU'RE SAYING THAT I THINK I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER PERSONALLY, AND HE'S SOMEWHAT ASSURED ME THAT IF WE CAN TWEAK ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AND MAYBE LESSEN SOME THINGS, WE COULD PROBABLY STILL WORK OUT LIKE YOU PRESENTED WITHOUT HAVING TO, WE COULD STILL PROBABLY STAY AT 5% AND HAVE A WORKING BUDGET WITH MAYBE LESS. I DON'T KNOW, A FEW PEOPLE LESS, PROBABLY. WELL, OBVIOUSLY, IF JULIE'S IN MY GOAL OR OR POSITION SO FAR HAS BEEN TO TRY AND DO THE BUDGET BASED UPON THE FIVE MILLS, I CAN TELL YOU THAT BASED UPON THE PROPERTY VALUE CHANGES THAT WE'VE HAD, THE SALES TAX NUMBERS AND THE REDUCTION IN FEES AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST THREE YEARS. THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WE WERE CREATING WHAT WE CALL THESE FLOATER POSITIONS, AND IT WAS NOT SOMEBODY ASSIGNED US TO A, B OR C SHIFT, BUT LITERALLY PEOPLE THAT COULD BE MOVED AROUND TO AVOID THE OVERTIME. AND LAST YEAR DURING UNION NEGOTIATIONS, WE SAID, LISTEN, IF THIS WORKS, WE CAN CONTINUE PROGRESSING IN THIS ORDER TO RESOLVE THESE OVERTIMES AND TO RESOLVE THESE STAFFING ISSUES. BUT I'VE ALREADY INFORMED THE FIRE CHIEF AND MEMBERS OF THE FIRE UNION THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO HIRE THOSE FLOATERS. SO AT THE

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AND IN THAT FIRST WORKSHOP, WE'LL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. IT'S JUST IT'S A LITTLE EARLY TODAY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION FELL THIS YEAR. WELL, IN THE SPIRIT OF THE NATIONAL SITUATION, I JUST WANT TO HOPE THAT WE CAN I DON'T WANT TO LOSE OUR STAFF EITHER, BUT I. OR OR OUR SERVICES. BUT I DON'T WANT TO. I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T WANT TO SUGGEST BURDENING US WITH EVEN A .00000 5% OR SOMETHING ADDED TO THAT FIVE. SO LESS THAN WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU'D ADD TO THAT. IF YOU ARE GOING TO GO ABOVE THE FIVE MILLS. SO I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE STAY AT THE FIVE MILLS FOR RIGHT NOW. I WE'LL SEE WHAT THE NATIONAL SITUATION DOES AND, AND HOW LEAN WE HAVE TO GET IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE AND OUR LEVEL OF STAFFING WITH ALL THE INNOVATIVE THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH PEOPLE WHO CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CHANGE CERTAIN THINGS IN, IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WHEN YOU CAN REORGANIZE YOUR OVERTIMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I'M SUGGESTING MAINTAINING THE FIVE MILLS, EVEN THOUGH WE MAY BE BARELY JUST. SCRAPING BY. WE'LL BE RIGHT THERE. BUT IF PEOPLE WANT TO GO ABOVE THE FIVE MILLS, NOW'S THE TIME TO GIVE YOU THE SUGGESTION SO THAT YOU CAN I. I DON'T THINK THAT I ANTICIPATE HEARING THAT. YEAH, WELL, I'M TELLING YOU, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY I WANT TO INCREASE TAXES. YEAH. TO GIVE TO INCREASE IT. FOR THAT. YOU'RE FOR INCREASING TAXES? NO, JUST THE FIVE. YOU SAID FIVE. YEAH, I KNOW THAT. IT'S SURPRISING. I'LL SAY 5.000001. YOU RAISE TAXES. YEAH. IT'S A100000. THANK YOU.

SO YEAH, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO WORK WITH IT. I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU PUT INTO IT, JODY I DON'T KNOW, LIKE MIKE SAID, IT'S LATE. NOT NOT REALLY LATE, BUT IT'S WHATEVER THE TIMING SITUATION, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO REALLY LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WHEN WE'RE HAVING THOSE QUOTE UNQUOTE REAL BUDGET WORKSHOPS AND LET THEM SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND TO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO PUT A LINK ON SOME OF THE NEW STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING AT THE STATE OR THINGS THAT AFFECT OUR BUDGET. MAYBE PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO JUST LOOK AND SEE WHAT IT IS AND HOW THINGS ARE CALCULATED. SOME BASIC THINGS THAT COULD HELP SOMEONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN IN THE CITY OF STUART'S BUDGET. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE FAST PACED FOR THE NEXT FIVE WEEKS. YES, IT'S IT NOW. LIKE IT'S A DOWNHILL THING FROM HERE. SO AS I SAID, WE MEET TOMORROW TO DISCUSS THE HEALTH INSURANCE NUMBER. AND THEN WE'VE ALREADY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE UNIONS TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE FEELING OUT. YOU KNOW, BUT STARTING OUT, JUST THE REQUEST THAT THEY MADE IT, YOU KNOW, $4 MILLION OUT OF BALANCE. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE MUCH

[02:15:01]

THAT'S TOUGH TIME HIRING FROST. YEAH, WE CALL IT FROST. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHEN YOU DON'T FILL A POSITION THAT BECOMES VACATED. THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS. WE HAVE SOME POSITIONS THAT NEED TO BE FILLED NO MATTER WHAT. SO THAT'S NOT A HIRING FREEZE, RIGHT? WHEN WE WERE IN THE RECESSION WE HAD POSITIONS THAT IT DIDN'T MATTER HOW IMPORTANT THE POSITION WAS OR NOT. WHEN THAT WENT VACANT, IT STAYED VACANT. SO HR REFERS TO IT AS A FROST. SO SHE DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY REPLACE THE POSITION. WE SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT IT AND SEE IF WE CAN PUSH IT OUT OR NOT REPLACE IT AT ALL. WE HAD ONE THE OTHER DAY IN UTILITIES A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND THEY WERE GRILLED PRETTY HARD AS TO WHY IT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED, AND IT TURNED OUT THAT IF WE DIDN'T, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A SAFETY ISSUE. WELL, THAT CHANGED THE CONVERSATION A BIT, SO WE AGREED TO POST IT. THE I WOULD JUST ADD TO THE CONVERSATION, NO MATTER HOW MANY POSITIONS YOU VOTE FOR IN THE BUDGET, I'VE NEVER SEEN US BE 100% OCCUPIED AT ANY ONE TIME. THERE'S ALWAYS LIKE EVEN THE ATTORNEY. WE WRITE LIKE WE HAVEN'T. ACTUALLY THE ATTORNEYS HIRED, YOU KNOW, HIRED, CORRECT. BUT DIDN'T COME ON BOARD. AND, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S JULY AND WE HAD IT IN THE BUDGET. SO I RELY ON THOSE KIND OF ATTRITION NUMBERS. YOU KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE MONEY I DIDN'T SPEND EVEN THOUGH IT WAS IN THE BUDGET ALL YEAR. SO THAT HELPS. AND NO MATTER HOW MANY FULL TIME POSITIONS ARE APPROVED, ROZ IS CONSTANTLY FILLING AND HIRING AND YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER VACATING. AND SO WE ALWAYS RUN, NOT FULL CAPACITY. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, HOW NOT FULL CAPACITY. AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MARKET POOL THAT WE USED TO. WE USED TO HAVE AN EASY POOL OF HIGHLY QUALIFIED CANDIDATES. THE MARKET IS NOT GENERATING THOSE CANDIDATES AS WELL ANYMORE. SO THIS AVAILABLE FUNDS FOR A BUDGETED POSITION THAT ISN'T FILLED, THAT KIND OF HELPS HOLD US OVER. BUT HOW MUCH WEIGHT DO WE PUT ON THE CURRENT EMPLOYEES? AND WE WANT TO PREVENT BURNOUT. SO THERE'S THIS THIS EBB AND FLOW AND A DELICATE BALANCE THAT WE HAVE TO MONITOR AT ALL TIMES. HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO ASK QUESTIONS. YES. YOU'RE WELCOME. NO. OKAY. VICE MAYOR, SO MY SENSE IS YOU'RE LOOKING

[COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS]

[02:20:04]

4 MILLION? IT WASN'T 4 MILLION. BUT WE ALSO SOME OF THOSE RABBITS IN THE HAT. WE HAD SOME ARPA MONEY STILL IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THOSE EXPENSES AND PROJECTS. SO THIS IS WHY I KNOW THE MANAGER AND I CAN GET IT DONE, BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENTS CAME IN ALMOST EXACTLY WHERE THEY WERE LAST YEAR, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY HAD THEY'VE CUT CAPITAL, SO THEY MUST HAVE ENDED UP SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT I KNOW THAT THE MANAGER CAN GO THROUGH THOSE REQUESTS NOW, HISTORICALLY, IS IT NORMAL, I GUESS, FOR THE UNIONS TO WAIT FOR THE FIRST BUDGET CYCLE AND THEN THEY NORMALLY MEET WITH YOU GUYS, OR DO THEY NORMALLY MEET AS THEY HAVE THEY EVER MET WITH YOU GUYS BEFORE? OH, COMMISSIONER REED, IT'S BEEN OH NO NO, NO, IT'S BEEN WAY WORSE IN THE PAST. SO ACTUALLY IN PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS BEFORE MIKE AND ROZ AND I'M NOT DISPARAGING ANY OF THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGERS, THE UNIONS ACTUALLY MET WITH US AFTER THE BUDGET WAS ADOPTED, WHICH WAS ALWAYS CRAZY, AT LEAST. AT LEAST YOU KNOW, HR NOW AND THE CITY MANAGER NOW ARE LIKE, NO, YOU NEED TO COME TO THE TABLE BEFORE WE ADOPT THE BUDGET AND LET'S SEE WHAT'S IN IT, RATHER THAN ADOPTING THE BUDGET AND THEN COMING TO THE TABLE IN NOVEMBER. WHAT WOULD BE THE REASONING BEHIND THAT THOUGH? JUST TIMING ON THEIR PART. THEY ALWAYS SAID THEY COULDN'T GET THEIR GET THEIR MEMBERSHIP TOGETHER. THEY COULDN'T PULL THE MEMBERS, THAT KIND OF THING. SO WE'VE ACTUALLY MADE A CONCERTED EFFORT TO TRY AND MEET WITH THE UNIONS BEFORE THAT. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW BACK IN MARCH, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY YOU KNOW, THEY DO THAT. SO YOU HAVE THE ADOPTED AGREEMENTS THAT WERE SIGNED FOR THIS YEAR THAT INCLUDED NUMBERS ALREADY GUARANTEED TO THEM IN THE 26 BUDGET, THAT PARTS IN THIS 3,000,009 THAT I GAVE YOU. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENED OR LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE KNOW WHERE HEALTH INSURANCE IS, THAT'LL BE ROLLED THROUGH THE NUMBER. I MEAN, IT COULD BE, IT COULDN'T BE. IT'S JUST WE'RE SELF-INSURED AND IT'S JUST A BAD WE JUST HAD A BAD YEAR, YOU KNOW. AND SO YOUR EXPERIENCE, JUST LIKE IN YOUR PERSONAL LIFE. BUT MY CAR CAUGHT ON FIRE HERE AT CITY HALL PARKING LOT. I DROVE IT TILL IT CAUGHT ON FIRE. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M SURPRISINGLY I GOT DROPPED BY THE INSURANCE. YOUR MONEY'S WORTH, I GUESS. YEAH, WELL, I DROVE I DROVE THE GOODY OUT OF IT, AS THEY SAY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, BUT MY INSURANCE COMPANY DROPPED ME, SO. I MEAN, THAT WAS A BAD CLAIM. AND THEY'RE LIKE, ALL RIGHT, THANKS. WE PAID YOUR CLAIM, BUT NOW YOU'RE DONE, YOU KNOW, GO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE. YEAH. GO, GO TAKE YOUR BALL AND PLAY SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO, I MEAN, WE JUST HAD A BAD YEAR. AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FROM TIME TO TIME. SO. BUT YES, SIR. BUT NO, WE ARE MEETING WITH THE UNIONS EARLIER THAN WE USED

[02:25:01]

IT'S NOT JUST UNIONS. I MEAN IT'S EVERY DEPARTMENT SAYS THEY NEED THIS OR NEED THAT OR WANT THIS OR WANT THAT. AND YOU KNOW, IRONICALLY, YOU HEARD THE PRESENTATION FROM CAPTECH AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. THE TRUTH OF IT IS WE GOT ABOUT $25 MILLION WORTH OF STORM WATER THAT WE NEED TO DO, AND THERE'S NOT $1 APPLIED IN THIS BUDGET TO ANY STORM WATER. SO WHEN YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE DROPPED IT TO THREE MILLS, THAT WOULD BE WHAT IT WAS. BUT THE FIRST THING WE WOULD DO IS SAY, OKAY, WELL, THE PARKS ARE NOT GOING TO BE GETTING MOWED, THE LIGHTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE ON THE PARKS, AND THE STORM WATER IS GOING TO BE PUT OFF ANOTHER FEW YEARS OR WHATEVER IT IS. SO IT'S ALL GIVE AND TAKE. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT LEVEL OF SERVICE AND WHAT IS IT THAT GETS CHOPPED OFF THE CHOPPING BLOCK AND HOW MUCH THAT ADDS UP TO? THE OTHER THING IS IN THE CITY OF STUART, AND WE LEARNED THIS IN 2014. THE REASON WE DID THE FIRE ASSESSMENT IS BECAUSE WE LEARNED THAT IF YOU DID A ONE MILLAGE INCREASE IN AD VALOREM, 65% OF OUR PARCELS DIDN'T PAY ANY INCREASE BECAUSE THEY WERE EITHER HOMESTEADED OR THEY WERE 501 C3, OR THEIR ASSESSED VALUE OF THEIR UNIT WAS SO LOW THAT IT DIDN'T PAY ANY TAXES ANYWAY. SO THAT CONVERSE IS TRUE TOO. IF YOU CUT TAXES, 65% OF OUR PARCELS AREN'T GETTING A REDUCTION BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PAYMENT TO BE REDUCED. AND I KNOW, LIKE FOR MY HOUSE BECAUSE I OWN MY HOUSE SINCE 2001, WHEN WE GOT TO THE RECESSION IN 2009, TEN, 11 AND 12, ALTHOUGH THE VALUE OF MY HOUSE SAW ABOUT A 40% REDUCTION IN VALUE, MY TAXES STILL WENT UP 3% EVERY YEAR BECAUSE THE HOMESTEAD CAP THAT HAD BEEN ON IT PROTECTED IT ANYWAY. RESULT, IF THE CITY COMMISSION WERE TO CUT TWO MILLS OFF THE TAXES THIS YEAR, MY TAXES, I WOULD NOT SEE THAT IT WOULDN'T CAUSE ANY CHANGE REDUCING WISE TO MY TAXES. I WOULD STILL BE ON THE CLIMB. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S MATH AND YEAH, THERE'S ARTIFICIALLY REDUCED TAXABLE VALUE BECAUSE OF THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. SO THERE THERE'S LIKE I SAID, EVERY YEAR, EVEN IF YOU ADVERTISE DOING A ROLLBACK OR WHATEVER, THERE'S STILL PEOPLE COMING IN HERE. MY TAXES WENT UP BECAUSE EACH PERSON'S INDIVIDUAL EXPERIENCE IS DIFFERENT. IF THEY IMPROVED THEIR PROPERTY. WHEN WE DID A ROLLBACK, WELL THE VALUE WENT UP. YEAH. IT'S THE MAGIC NUMBER IS LIKE YOUR PROPERTY DIDN'T CHANGE AND I ROLLED BACK MY TAX. THEN YOU'LL PAY THE SAME YOU PAID LAST YEAR. BUT IF YOU HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AND YOUR HOUSE IS REALLY LIKE 500,000, BUT YOU'VE BEEN IN IT SINCE 1900, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN REDUCED EACH YEAR TO 3%. SO THERE'S ALL THIS BUILT UP BANDWIDTH BEHIND IT. AND WHEN YOU PULL THAT OUT, WELL, IT JUST CATCHES UP. SO, SO IT IT'S VERY HARD FOR YOU AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TO TELL YOUR CONSTITUENTS LIKE, HEY, I'M GOING TO REDUCE YOUR TAXES. AND THEN THEY COME IN LIKE MY TAX BILL STILL WENT UP. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE TOTAL VALUE OF THE CITY IS WHAT THIS IS CALCULATED ON, NOT INDIVIDUAL TAX PROPERTIES. YEAH. YEAH. SO THEY TAKE THE WHOLE 9000 PARCELS AND SAY IT WENT UP 7%. UNDERNEATH THAT IT'S LIKE THIS ONE WENT UP, THAT ONE WENT DOWN THIS YOU KNOW. SO IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE. SORRY DID I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO SIDETRACK YOU ON YOUR CONVERSATION. SO LIKE, HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, LIKE WHAT VICE MAYOR COLLINS IS SAYING, WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO THE BUDGET FOR AD VALOREM? IF WE LOWERED THE MILLAGE, THEN A QUARTER MIL IN THE MATH EQUATES TO A NET. YOU KNOW, AFTER I DO THE 95% AND ALL THAT 900 AND $913,000 WOULD BE THE ENTITY CUT. I'D BE I'D BE ABOUT 5 MILLION IN THE HOLE NUMBER. CLEARLY, WE'RE SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY, I THINK, COMMISSIONER, QUESTION IF WE HAVE PROPERTY VALUES INCREASING THIS MUCH AND WE STILL HAVE A39 DEFICIENCY, SO WE'RE SPENDING WAY TOO MUCH MONEY. IT'S ACTUALLY THE LOWEST PROPERTY VALUE INCREASE WE'VE HAD SINCE I THINK 2015. SO IN THE LAST TEN YEARS THIS IS THE LOWEST INCREASE WE'VE HAD. BUT

[02:30:01]

COMMISSIONER OR MR. MANAGER, ALSO I WOULD I WOULD JUST SAY LIKE IN THE EMS WORLD, WHEN YOU DO THE RUN AND YOU AGREE TO ACCEPT MEDICARE, MEDICAID, YOU CONTRACTUALLY AGREE TO A 60% WRITE OFF. THE COST OF THE RUN IS STILL $100, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY AGREED TO ONLY TAKE 40 BUCKS. I MEAN, THE COST IS THE COST. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY CAN MAKE THE RUN ON THE AMBULANCE CHEAPER. IT'S JUST YOU. THAT'S ALL THE REVENUE YOU'RE GOING TO GET FOR THAT RUN. YOU GOT TO COME UP WITH THE $60 FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. BUT BECAUSE YOU AGREED TO DO THAT, YOU DID THE YOU'RE TAKING 40 BUCKS FOR $100 RUN. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. AND SO OUR VALOREM TAXES AND I KNOW BECAUSE I'VE PERSONALLY SPOKEN TO HUNDREDS OF TAXPAYERS OVER THE YEARS ON THE TELEPHONE, MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT OLD EXPRESSION LIKE, I PAY YOUR SALARY, YOUNG MAN. AND I'M LIKE, NO, YOU ACTUALLY DON'T. I THINK, YOU KNOW, MY MONEY PROBABLY COMES OUT OF LIKE, PARKING TICKETS THAT THE POLICE COLLECT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE BECAUSE AD VALOREM ISN'T ENOUGH TO PAY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. IT'S ALSO NOT ENOUGH TO PAY FOR US. LIKE WE LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THE REST OF US ARE 19 MILLION. AND AT 15 MILLION, WE'RE 4 MILLION SHORT ON THE REST OF US. SO, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S SOME INTEREST, THERE'S ALL THESE INTERESTING STATISTICS, LIKE IF I LAID OFF THE CITY COMMISSION, THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY CLERK MYSELF, IT WHATEVER WE WE'D HAVE TO STOP AT LIKE GARAGE AND WE'D HAVE THE 3.9 MILLION IF WE LAID OFF ALL THAT, LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO CUT TO GET TO THE 3,000,009. SEE WHAT I'M. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO THESE NUMBERS JUST COME FLYING AT ME ALL THE TIME, AND IT'S LIKE A YEAR OR SEVENS. WE HAD A 7% INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES, BUT THERE'S 7% ALREADY IN THE UNION CONTRACT, 7% IN THE IRS RATE. SO LIKE I'M GOING TO GO PLAY THE LOTTERY AND RUN SEVEN SOMEWHERE BECAUSE LIKE THE NUMBER JUST POPPED UP ORGANICALLY EVERYWHERE. SO THAT'S THE THING YOU TELL ME. AND THE MANAGER'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YOU SAY I WANT TO REDUCE THIS TO FIVE, YOU KNOW, 0.25 MILLS AND YOU GET CONSENSUS ON THAT, THEN YEAH, WE'RE LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE CUTTING 900,000 MORE. WE'RE 5

[02:35:06]

LIKE, ARE WE GOING LIKE I'VE BEEN IN STUART IN TIMES WHERE WE DIDN'T TURN ON THE LIGHTS AT THE PARK. RIGHT. WE CLOSED THE RACQUETBALL, WE CLOSED THE SHUFFLEBOARD COURT AND WE DIDN'T TURN ON THE LIGHTS AT THE TENNIS COURTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF TO TRY AND, YOU KNOW, GET THERE. AND THEN ULTIMATELY, THE COMMISSIONERS WERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO PLACE THAT WE CAN PLAY BRIDGE. YOU KNOW, IT WAS THE THING WE CLOSED ALL THE REC CENTERS, AND THEN THEY GOT CALLS FROM PEOPLE LIKE, THERE'S NO PLACE FOR US TO PLAY BRIDGE. SO EVERYTHING'S A GIVE AND TAKE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I, I SERVE AT YOUR AT YOUR WILL, AT YOUR PLEASURE. AND IF YOU SAY IT'S DOWN NOW WHAT I WOULD ALSO SAY IS, REMEMBER, THIS IS THE NUMBER NOT TO EXCEED. SO IF YOU IF WE KEPT IT AT FIVE YOU'RE STILL CUTTING 4 MILLION. THE BALANCE. YEAH. IF YOU IF YOU. WELL MY POINT WOULD BE IF YOU KEPT IT AT FIVE AND THEN DURING THE WORKSHOP YOU CAME TO A CONSENSUS THAT, WELL WE WANT THE MILLAGE TO BE 4.750. NO, NO, IT'S ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE YOU COULD DO THAT. BUT IF YOU SET IT AT 4.75 AND YOU SAY, HEY, WE CAN'T GET THERE WITHOUT LIKE WE CAN INCREASE THAT NUMBER, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE HARD. OH, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO INCREASE THE DEBT TO SET THE NOT TO EXCEED 4.75. IF WE GIVE YOU DIRECTION TO 4.75 AND YOU COME BACK AND SAY IT'S ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT TURNING ALL THE LIGHTS OFF AND YOU HAVE TO GO TO FIVE AGAIN TO MAKE THE DECISION, NOT TODAY, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE MULTIPLE. WELL, YOU WILL IN AUGUST. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE A NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER THAT YOU VOTE ON, RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT.

AND TODAY WE'RE GIVING DIRECTION AND SAYING I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CLARK. OH YEAH. NO, NO IT'S CLARK. DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? IF JODI STILL HAS SOMETHING. YEAH. YOU DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE IT TO ME TODAY. BUT WHAT I WAS TELLING YOU IS THE NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER SAYS, OKAY, THE GOVERNMENT CAN GO UP TO THIS NUMBER WITHOUT ANY DELINEATIONS OR HOOP JUMPING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT IF YOU SET THE NOT TO EXCEED IT 4.75 AND THEN LATER SAY, OH, WE REALLY NEEDED 4.8, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR A SEPARATE ROUND OF ADVERTISING AND PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF BY THE STATE LAW, BECAUSE YOU TOLD EVERYONE THAT THEIR RATE WOULDN'T EXCEED 475 AND THEN YOU INCREASED IT. YEAH. SO, SO BUT NO, IN AUGUST YOU HAVE TO THERE'S 100 DAYS OF TRIM. IT'S CALLED 100 DAYS OF TRIM. AND FROM JULY 1ST THROUGH AUGUST 9TH OR WHATEVER, LIKE THE 100 DAYS. AND WE HAVE CERTAIN DEADLINES WHERE I HAVE TO RETURN THE NUMBER TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AND THE TAX COLLECTOR TO PUT ON THE TAX BILL. AND WE HAVE TO TELL TALLAHASSEE BY A CERTAIN DATE, AND THEN IT HAS TO RUN IN A NEWSPAPER OF LOCAL CIRCULATION, LIKE THEY ALLOWED THE SCHOOL BOARD TO DO IT ON THEIR WEBSITE ONLY THEY'RE STILL MAKING MUNICIPAL DO IT IN A NEWSPAPER. YEAH. BUT ANYHOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT.

YEAH. SO IT SAVED THE SCHOOL BOARD'S MONEY, BUT IT STILL COST ME MONEY TO ADVERTISE IT. SO THOSE ARE THE YOU'D HAVE TO SEND OUT INDIVIDUAL LETTERS TO EVERYONE, WHICH IS A MULTI THOUSAND DOLLAR MAILING TO DO THAT. SO I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING THE RATE YOU WANT TO DO, THERE'S A NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER VERSUS WHAT YOU CAN PLAY WITH. I CAN ALSO CHIME IN. IN MARTIN COUNTY THE MILLAGE RATE IS RIGHT ABOUT 20 MILLS. IT'S LIKE 19.86 MILLS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR CITY OF STUART, MARTIN COUNTY, SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD, FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT, ETCETERA. BUT ON A $300,000 HOUSE, A. A TAXABLE VALUE, 20% MILLAGE RATE, IF IT'S 300,000 TAXABLE VALUE, THE 20 MILLAGE RATE WOULD MAKE THEIR TAXES ABOUT $6,000. THE FIVE MILLS THAT THE CITY CHARGES WOULD BE $1,500. IF YOU REDUCED IT TO CUT THE $900,000 FROM OUR BUDGET, IT WOULD CHANGE THEIR BILL FROM $1,500 TO $1,425. SO IT WOULD CHANGE IT BY ABOUT $8 A MONTH FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR. THE SINGLE HOUSE PROBABLY WOULDN'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT IN THE 20 MILLS, BUT THE MILLION DOLLAR CUT IN YOUR BUDGET, YOU'LL SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S $1 MILLION. IT'S NOT $8. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU GUYS HAVE TO BALANCE WHAT'S THE SWEET SPOT OR WHATEVER THAT'S CALLED. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S I NEVER HAD ANY INTENTION TO COME IN AND PRESENT A BUDGET THAT INCREASED THE MILLAGE RATE. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT IS NOT THE CITY IS GOING IN THE DIRECTION OF AN INCREASED MILLAGE RATE AT SOME POINT, BECAUSE THE REVENUES YOU SAW, THE CHARTS, THE REVENUES ARE FALLING LIKE A LIKE A WATERFALL. AND SO THE, THE TOO MUCH MONEY IS BEING SPENT. RIGHT. THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OR THE SERVICES BEING PROVIDED ARE EXCEEDING THE REVENUE. AND AS A RESULT, WE

[02:40:01]

AND I'M CERTAIN THEY'RE GOING TO ASK FOR MORE BECAUSE THERE'S JUST LIKE TRYING TO KILL LOCAL BUSINESS TAX. RIGHT. THEY WANT TO KILL OUR $700,000 BUSINESS TAX FEE. RIGHT. WHICH IS 2% OF GENERAL FUND. SO IF THEY IF THEY KILLED THE LOCAL BUSINESS TAX AND ADDED, YOU KNOW, OTHER SPECIAL DEATH BENEFITS TO SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WANTED TO DO IN F.R.S, I MEAN THOSE, THOSE RATES WOULD GO UP. IS THAT CERTAINLY A CALCULATION WE WANT TO MAKE FOR NEXT YEAR, COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES. THANK YOU. I'M THINKING BEFORE I SPEAK, BUT I WANT TO SPEAK.

GOOD. THAT'S MY FATHER CALLED IT. PUT YOUR MIND IN GEAR BEFORE YOU PUT YOUR MOUTH IN MOTION.

DOESN'T HAPPEN. SO. FOR WHAT COMMISSIONER COLLINS BROUGHT UP WITH REGARD TO BE AS LEAN AND NIMBLE AS POSSIBLE. AND I THINK MR. MORTEL USED THE WORD SHIFTING THE MODEL FROM THE TOURISM AND GETTING FUNDS FROM FOLKS ELSEWHERE. I THINK I WAS A MAYOR DURING 2013, 2014 OR SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA WHEN WE HAD THE FIRE TAX. AND I DID I SAY FIRE TAX, I SHOULDN'T HAVE USED THAT WORD, BUT. ASSESSMENT, OUR AND YOU SAID IT RIGHT. AND SO I WAS A PART OF THAT BIG ISSUE THAT HAD TO BE DONE AT THE TIME WHEN EVERYTHING WAS ALSO, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T THE ECONOMY WASN'T THAT GOOD. AND THAT HAPPENED DURING THAT TIME. AND I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS A TIME WHEN OUR COMMISSION ENTIRELY OR CERTAIN COMMISSIONERS, IF THIS IS A TIME WHEN WE TALK AGAIN, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA NOW, BUT IF IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP, MAYBE NOT FOR THIS BUDGET TIME, BUT FOR A PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE. IT WASN'T GOOD THE LAST TIME WHEN WE HAD BIG DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT, AND THIS WOULD BE WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR POLICE. WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR FIRE? DO THEY GO TO THE COUNTY? DO WE MAINTAIN OUR INDEPENDENCE IN IN MAINTAINING THOSE CRITICAL DEPARTMENTS WITHIN OUR CITY? AND DO WE HAVE I THINK THE WORD DOGE WAS USED. DO WE HAVE CHANGES IN IN RESTRUCTURING THE WAY THAT OUR CITY DELIVERS SERVICES AND HOW WE CREATE A LEAN AND MEAN MODEL, NOT MEAN? SORRY, JUST A LEAN MODEL, EFFICIENT, EFFICIENT MODEL. I'M JUST SAYING THIS. AND IF WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THIS BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING, IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE STRUCTURE OF THE CITY. I KNOW THAT SOME OF THIS STUFF HAS TO GO IN FRONT OF OUR OUR RESIDENTS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FIRE DISTRICTS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS. I REMEMBER THOSE MEETINGS WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AND MEETING ABOUT WHAT IS BEST, AND THAT WOULD ALSO MEAN DOING SOME WORK WITH THE COUNTY. BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE SO THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN CONSIDER CERTAIN THINGS AND WE CAN CONSIDER THINGS AND DEFINITELY THE DEPARTMENTS. AND I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING WHICH I HOPE NOBODY TAKES INCORRECTLY. BUT IF YOU HAVE CERTAIN PROFESSIONALS AT THE CITY OF STUART, AND IT'S NOT THAT ONE DEPARTMENT IS MORE PROFESSIONAL THAN THE OTHER, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE FOLKS WORKING IN THEIR BEST

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OKAY, THIS IS NOT THE KIND OF THING I'M DISCUSSING. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CUTTING UTILITIES OR THESE ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS. OKAY. AND THIS PARTICULAR MEETING, I DON'T THINK IT'S ABOUT STRATIFYING WHAT THE MOST IMPORTANT DEPARTMENTS ARE, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO TONIGHT IS SIGNAL AND TAKE LEADERSHIP IN SAYING THERE'S A NEW TRAJECTORY THAT WE WANT TO START GOING INTO KICKING THE CAN IN TERMS OF STAYING AT FIVE, BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING WITH THE FLOW. AS TO CITY MANAGER'S POINT, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO LEAD. WE'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING TO RAISE MILLAGE. IF WE DON'T START DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOK AT LOOKING AT HAVING TO RAISE MILLAGE AND GOING, GETTING GOING ALONG TO GETTING GET ALONG THROUGH ANOTHER BUDGET CYCLE. I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD PATH IN THIS PARTICULAR DNA OF THIS BOARD, I THINK HAS THE LEADERSHIP CAPACITY TO DO SOMETHING PROFOUND AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO START GOING IN A NEW TRAJECTORY, WE'RE GOING TO START MOVING TOWARDS FOUR. MAYBE WE STAY AT 4.75 FOR TEN YEARS, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING UP. WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO START GOING DOWN. AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO FORCE THESE GUYS TO DO, WHICH I HAVE FULL FAITH IN, IS THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, THIS IS THIS IS WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. AND THEN OVER THOSE SUCCESSIVE MEETINGS, WE CAN SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S IMPORTANT. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO START LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, SPENDING THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THESE THINGS. AND, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING'S GOT TO GO, MAYBE IT'S THIS OR THAT, BUT I THINK THAT IN LIGHT OF, AGAIN, PROPERTY TAXES, IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE THREE NINE SHORT, EVEN WITH PROPERTY VALUES GOING UP, AND THAT VERY WELL COULD START TO TURN DOWN LIKE IT ALREADY IS, TRUE LEADERSHIP HERE WOULD NOT BE SAYING, LET'S DO ANOTHER YEAR FIVE AND SEE HOW IT

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WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE MONDAY, AUGUST 11TH. I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE USED TO BEING HERE ON THOSE MONDAYS, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS SUGGESTING IF WE COULD JUST MAKE IT A LONG DAY. I DON'T

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RIGHT? BUT AGAIN, IT'S THE PREFERENCE OF THE BOARD. IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. WHATEVER WORKS. PM AUGUST 11TH OR AUGUST 18TH. AUGUST 11TH. AUGUST 11TH IS THE NEXT COMMISSION. YEAH.

THE AUGUST COMMISSION MEETING. THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST. YEAH, WE COULD DO IT THEN. SO THEN THAT MEETING WOULD START EARLIER. YES, IT WOULD START EARLIER. WE WOULD WE WOULD, WE WOULD ADD A BUDGET MEETING IN THE NOT TO EXCEED VOTE IS NOT AUGUST 11TH. IT'S BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST. RIGHT. YEAH. WELL ACCORDING TO TRIM, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE BECAUSE OF WHERE JULY 1ST FELL ON. I THINK IT'S I HAVE UNTIL THE 15TH TO FILL OUT THE FORM. NO OF AUGUST OF AUGUST. SO NO, BECAUSE IT HAS TO GO OUT ON OUR OUR NUMBER THAT YOU PICK GOES OUT ON THE TRIM NOTICE ON THAT PROPOSED TAX BILL. YEAH. WE'LL HAVE THE WORKSHOP IN THE AFTERNOON. AND THEN AT THE ACTUAL AUGUST 11TH MEETING FOLLOWING THE WORKSHOP, WE WOULD HAVE A NOT TO EXCEED AGENDA ITEM AND THAT WOULD GET THE PUBLIC INVOLVED. YEAH. THE TAX COLLECTOR WOULD SEND OUT THE TRIM. NOTICE THAT SAYS HERE'S THE PROPOSED NOT TO EXCEED RATE OF THE CITY OF STUART. RIGHT.

AND PEOPLE WOULD SEE WHAT THEIR PROPOSED TAX BILL WOULD LOOK LIKE, NOT TO GET ANY HIGHER THAN THAT UNLESS YOU JUMP THROUGH ALL THOSE HOOPS, I SAID. AND THEN YOU WOULD ACTUALLY ADOPT THOSE RATES OFFICIALLY IN SEPTEMBER AT OUR TWO TRIM MEETINGS IN SEPTEMBER. BUT YEAH, I HAVE TO HAVE THAT FORM BACK TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER BEFORE SEPTEMBER. I MEAN, BACK TO THE TAX COLLECTOR BEFORE SEPTEMBER. SO I MY RECOMMENDATION PROBABLY WOULD BE TO HAVE IT BE ON THE 11TH, UNLESS YOU GUYS WANT TO PICK ANOTHER DATE. ANY OBJECTION COMMISSIONER JOB. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DO BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CREATE NUMBERS. IF WE DECIDE BEFORE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CREATE THOSE NUMBERS BASED ON 4.75 AS A MILL RATE BEFORE THE 11TH, NOT ON THE 11TH. WELL, RIGHT. THE BUDGET WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU IS GOING TO BE BASED ON WHATEVER NUMBER YOU WANT IT TO BE. SO IT NEEDS TO BE DECIDED TONIGHT FOR HIM TO WORK ON THOSE. OH, I MEAN, THESE GIVE YOU SOME DIRECTION. NO, I DIRECTION. I'M. I THINK I'M CLEAR ON WHAT YOU WANT THE WE'RE GOING TO START TALKING ABOUT A REDUCED MILLAGE BUDGET. AND THEN IF ON AT THE BUDGET WORKSHOP YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND FOR HIGHER, THEN IT'S ALWAYS EASIER TO GO UP THAN IT WOULD BE TO BE AT THAT BUDGET. AND YOU SAY, OH, I WANT TO GO TO FOUR NOW. LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S EXACTLY. AND MY HOPE IS WHEN YOU PUT YOUR NUMBERS TOGETHER, THAT IT'S NOT WHAT CAN HAPPEN SOMETIMES WHERE IT'S WE'RE GOING TO CUT ALL THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. I'M NOT IT'S NOT, IT'S FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE A LOT OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ANYWAY. SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A CONCERN. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO TELL YOU EARLIER, COMMISSIONER, IS THAT THIS, THIS NUMBER THAT THE, THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS OR THAT THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS ALREADY SUBMITTED? I'VE LOOKED THROUGH IT. THEY'VE ALREADY CUT MOST OF THE CAPITAL THAT MADE THE BUDGET WHAT IT WAS LAST YEAR. SO I MEAN, THESE AREN'T LIKE, OH, I JUST WON'T BUY THAT BIG FIRE TRUCK THIS YEAR. LIKE, THAT'S ALREADY DONE. LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DIDN'T ASK FOR A FIRE TRUCK. SO THE BIG CAPITAL ITEMS AREN'T IN THIS REQUEST THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING WE WILL BE DIGGING INTO. WELL, IT'S LIKE I WAS TRYING TO TELL YOU EARLIER. I MEAN, YOU COULD LAY OFF THE TOP EIGHT DEPARTMENTS IN GENERAL FUND, INCLUDING YOURSELVES AND ME, AND WE WOULD GET TO ABOUT 3.9 MILLION. I MEAN, YOU GOT THE CITY CLERK. THERE'S THREE OF THEM IN THAT DEPARTMENT, THE 3.9 MILLION THING. I MEAN, I'VE SEEN THIS THROUGH THE SUCCESSIVE MEETINGS. I UNDERSTAND THAT IS A CROWBAR.

USED TO SAY, THIS IS HOW BEHIND WE ARE, AND WE'LL GO BEHIND THE SCENES AND MAKE IT WORK. BUT IN PRACTICAL TERMS, THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT THE ANCHOR THAT I'M ARGUING WITH YOU ABOUT. I'M ARGUING WITH YOU ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FIVE AND 4.75, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU CAN GET TO FIVE EASY THAT 900. AND OUT OF THAT 900 THAT NOT BEING CUTTING OFF THE LIGHTS AND AC AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, BUT STAFF I HAVE NO, NO I HAVE NO DESIRE TO ANCHOR TO THE ADDITIONAL THREE NINE. IT'S LIKE GOING TO THE DEALERSHIP AND YOU GET THE MSRP. YEAH. NO. IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 5 AND 4 SEVEN, FIVE WITH THAT 900? YES. IF THAT'S THERE'S WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I UNDERSTAND I'M, I'M WELL VERSED IN VOCABULARY AND ARGUMENT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN A CONFLICT. SO AN ATTORNEY CAN PRESENT AN ARGUMENT THAT IS NOT A CONFLICT. SO I'M NOT ARGUING WITH YOU. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE THREE NINE HEALTHY DEBATE, THE ARGUMENT IS THAT THE THREE NINE IS ALREADY THERE WITHOUT A LOT OF CAPITAL REQUESTS. THAT'S THE LOW HANGING FRUIT FOR ME TO CUT. THAT WOULD BE A RABBIT OUT OF A HAT, LIKE, HEY, I BALANCED IT. I CUT ALL THEIR CAPITAL REQUESTS. AND WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS THAT THAT FRUIT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT,

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THANK YOU. IT'S CLEAR. YOU'RE WELCOME. WE PROTEST. COMMISSIONER JOB, I'VE NOTIFIED THE CITY CLERK. I WILL NOT BE AT THE MEETING ON THE 31ST. THE CITYWIDE MEETING? I'M HAVING SURGERY NEXT FRIDAY. HIPAA, HIPAA. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL US. THAT'S OKAY. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. IT IS A BIG DEAL. BUT I MEAN, IT'S. I'M FINE TO SAY IT AND I WILL. WHAT I'VE DONE IS JUST I'VE NOT DOING ANY OTHER THINGS, BUT I WILL BE ATTENDING COMMISSION MEETINGS. I'VE JUST ARRANGED IT THAT WAY. OKAY. BUT I DO HAVE SOME ITEMS TO DISCUSS. MR. MANAGER, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. I HAVE AN IMPORTANT UPDATE. SO THE WAY THE CALENDAR FALLS, DAY 35 IS AUGUST 4TH, SO I WOULD NEED TO TELL THE TAX COLLECTOR BY AUGUST 4TH WHAT THE NOT TO EXCEED RATE IS JULY 28TH.

WELL, I MEAN, IF YOU NEED AN ACTUAL WORKSHOP TO TELL ME WHAT THE NOT TO EXCEED RATE IS, YES.

IF YOU NO MATTER WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THE JULY 28TH AS A NOD TO EXCEED RATE.

AND I HAVE WELL, I'M SAYING WE GOT CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMISSION LAST YEAR WITHOUT AN ACTUAL WORKSHOP. RIGHT. BUT IF YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL THE WORKSHOP OR HAVE AN OFFICIAL WORKSHOP, BY THE WAY, DO IT ON THE 28TH. ON JULY 28TH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM TO MEET THAT. SO WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE WORKSHOP ON THE 11TH. WE CAN HAVE A BRIEF SUMMARY WITH THE COMMISSION. AND IF YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU AND I WILL HAVE A CHANCE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO DO SOME OF THE NUMBERS. YEP. AND IF THEY PICK 4.75 THEN THAT WILL BE THE NUMBER NOT TO EXCEED. WE'LL BE PICKING 4.75 ON THE 28TH. AND COMMISSIONER REED'S NOT GOING TO BE HERE. YEAH HE'S NOT HERE. SO WE VERY WELL COULD HAVE AN ISSUE WHERE WE HAVE A22. THE MOTION FAILS. YEAH. THE AND WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SUBMIT THAT AND YOU WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE. BUT WHAT'S OUR ALTERNATIVE. THERE'S NO OTHER MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND THEN IF I MEAN IF YOU DON'T THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE FALLOUT PARACHUTE MOMENTS WHERE YOU CAN PULL THE RIPCORD. THEY WOULD PROBABLY JUST KEEP THE PRIOR YEAR'S MILLAGE AS THE NOT TO EXCEED AUTOMATICALLY. SO THEN WE NEED TO WE NEED TO SCHEDULE. CAN WE ADVERTISE A MEETING ON ALL FIVE OF US CAN BE THERE TO MAKE THAT VOTE. SO WE CAN MAKE A MOTION THIS EVENING, THE 25TH OR THE 25TH? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. I JUST HAVE TO HAVE IT ON THE PIECE OF PAPER. BY AUGUST 4TH, ACCORDING TO THE 100 DAYS OF TRUMP. SO, MIKE, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED TO ADVERTISE A MEETING IS TWO? WELL, IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY. YEAH, IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY MEETING. FIVE DAYS. OKAY. I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE AT THAT EMERGENCY MEETING. I'M GETTING OPERATED ON ON THE 18TH.

I MAY OR MAY NOT. I'M NOT SURE. HOW SO? COULD YOU AMBULATORY? I'D BE. I PLANNED IT TO BE AVAILABLE THE 28TH. THAT NEEDS TO BE AVAILABLE WHEN WE NEED TO VOTE BY AUGUST. THE AUGUST 4TH IS THE LAST DAY THAT WE CAN SUBMIT THE DOCTOR FOR 20. SO, COMMISSIONER, COULD YOU HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON, SAY, THE 29TH OR THE 29TH? I PLAN TO BE HERE ON THE 28TH. SO I MEAN, I COULD I WILL BE HERE. OH, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE HERE IN JULY. NO. OH I AM LEAVING ON THE 30TH OF THE FOURTH AM. NEITHER IS THE DAY AFTER THE MEETING. AND I AM BACK SUNDAY AT 6 P.M.

PRIOR TO OUR MONDAY MEETING. HOW ABOUT THE 24TH? SO NOT WELL. I THINK COMMISSIONER GIOVI JUST SAID SHE WOULD BE HERE FOR. YOU'LL BE TAKING THE MEETING ON THE 28TH. THE 28TH? I WILL BE ABLE TO BE HERE. I'M NOT COMING TO. OH, COMMISSIONER REED'S ON HERE. I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE.

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BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO EVERY YEAR BASED UPON THE MILLAGE RATE. AND THEN IF YOU GUYS REDUCE IT OR INCREASE IT AT THAT MEETING, THAT'S THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD. BUT AGAIN, THE NOT TO EXCEED RATE IS JUST A NOTICE THING. IT IS NOT WHAT ENDS UP BEING THE FINAL RATE. OKAY. THE COMMISSION COULD SAY NOT TO EXCEED FIVE AND ADOPT A RATE OF THREE, BUT IT DOES SET THE TONE FOR WHAT OUR GOAL IS. WELL, I THINK THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT SET THAT TONE AS WELL. OKAY OKA.

OKAY. SORRY TO INTERRUPT THE COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. OKAY. NO, YOU NEEDED TO YOU NEEDED TO SAY WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY AND IT WAS IMPORTANT. OKAY. AND YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF ALL OF THEM AND HOW MUCH PEOPLE'S, YOU KNOW. YEAH, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO VOTE WITHOUT THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF US. SEAN HAS FINISHED HIS. I'M SORRY, SEAN, DID YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? NO. I'M OKAY. COMMISSIONER JOB. YES. I HAVE SOME COMMENTS. I'D WISH TO ADDRESS THE INQUIRIES THAT COMMISSIONERS RECEIVED FROM CONSTITUENTS. I TRY TO ANSWER THE ONES THAT I CAN. SOME OF THE REQUESTS INVOLVE DAY TO DAY RUNNING OF THE CITY AND ITS VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS. IN THOSE CASES, OR MOST OF THOSE CASES, I FORWARD THOSE REQUESTS TO OUR CITY MANAGER AND IF NEED BE, TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY. I AM AWARE THAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF THE DAY TO DAY ISSUES THAT COME INTO THE CITY FOR RESOLUTION, BUT I AM CONCERNED THAT I CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THE SAME REQUEST OVER AND OVER AND OVER, NOT ONLY VIA EMAIL, BUT ALSO VIA US MAIL. SOME OF THOSE ISSUES SPAN TEN MONTHS PLUS. THIS IS A CAUSE FOR CONCERN. JUST TWO OF THE ISSUES THAT I WERE GOING TO ADDRESS IS REALLY REGARDING CODE ENFORCEMENT. THE CITY MANAGER ALWAYS RESPONDS TO MY REQUEST REGARDING THESE ISSUES, BUT ONCE THEY'VE EXCEEDED MORE THAN 2 OR 3 REQUESTS FROM THE INDIVIDUAL ON THE SAME ISSUE, I BECOME CONCERNED. SOMETIMES IT'S REGARDING CODE ENFORCEMENT, WHICH I USUALLY DEFER TO THE CITY MANAGER TO PROVIDE WITH THE CAUSE AND EFFECT AS IT PERTAINS TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT. I RECENTLY DECIDED TO LOOK UP SOME OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT RULES AND REGS MYSELF AS THE CITY MANAGER, SOMETIMES INADVERTENTLY NOT ON PURPOSE LEFT OUT MAYBE IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT MAY HAVE ASSISTED ME IN UNDERSTANDING THE REASON FOR NOT UTILIZING THE CODE ENFORCEMENTS AND ITS FINES TO ITS FULLEST CAPACITY. THE FIRST ONE I'M GOING TO REFERENCE IS 22 SOUTHEAST STREET, IOWA STREET. SORRY. AND REQUEST I RECEIVED FROM MR. BAUMLER. I'M SORRY IF I'VE MISPRONOUNCED HIS NAME AND FROM MR. AND MRS. LUCENTE REGARDING 43 SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE STREET. BOTH APPEAR TO BE IN VIOLATION UNDER OUR CURRENT CODE ENFORCEMENT RULES. SO I THINK WE

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YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT TO ANSWER ME AFTER I'M FINISHED. OKAY? OKAY. ON THE AGENDA TODAY, WE'LL BE HEARING A RESOLUTION ABOUT THE REHABILITATION OF THE CITY OF STUARTS CONQUISTADOR LIFT STATION. THIS AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT IS DETAILED IN SCOPE, RESPONSIBILITY, GUARANTEES AND ABILITY TO AUDIT FOR THREE YEARS PAST THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT. IT'S AN EXCELLENT AGREEMENT. IT MEANS TO PROTECT OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS SPENT ON OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS. THE REASON I MENTION THIS IS IT BRINGS ME TO ANOTHER ISSUE I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS. IT'S THE CBG GRANT FOR 1895. CHURCH AND MR. AND MRS. HAMILTON. I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR CITY MANAGER AND RECENTLY JUST SENT HIM A DETAILED EMAIL, WHICH IS TOO LENGTHY TO READ. NOW, REGARDING THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BECOME PROBLEMATIC, LIKE THE AGREEMENT WE WILL VOTE ON THIS EVENING AND ANY RFP THAT THE CITY OR MUNICIPALITIES ENTER INTO, THEY ARE GUIDELINES AND RESTRICTIONS TO PROTECT THE CITY FROM NEGLIGENT WORK ON PROJECTS AND IN THE CASE OF THE CBG, GRANTS THE STRICT OVERSIGHT OF THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS AND FUNDS FOR THESE GRANTS. I WOULD ASSUME THAT THIS AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CBG, THE COMPANY AND THE CONTRACTORS WAS ISSUED WITH THE SAME DETAIL AS ANY OF THE OTHER RFPS THAT WE VOTE ON. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS PROJECT COMPLETED IN A TIMELY MANNER AND TO THE SATISFACTION TO OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS CURRENTLY. IN FACT, COMMISSIONER CLARKE MENTIONED THAT SHE HAD RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM SEVERAL CONSTITUENTS REGARDING OTHER CBG GRANTS THAT WERE NOT DONE TO PERFECTION, TO SAY THE LEAST, AND THE PROJECTS WERE NOT DONE PROPERLY. SO JUST KNOW IT'S NOT JUST THIS ONE CBG GRANT. THERE ARE OTHERS INVOLVED. AFTER ALL, OUR WORD IS OUR BOND. LASTLY, THERE WAS A QUESTION REGARDING THE CHAIR RECOGNIZING A COMMISSIONER AND ALSO ALLOWING A COMMISSIONER TO COMPLETE THEIR THOUGHT AND OR SENTENCE. I HAVE A DETAILED EMAIL FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, MR. BAGGETT, DATED SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2024. I WAS A VERY, VERY NEW COMMISSIONER AND DID NOT KNOW THE FULL DETAILS OF THE ROBERT RULES. EXCERPT FROM THE ATTORNEY BAGGETT'S EMAIL STATES THAT THE CHAIR MUST RECOGNIZE ANY BOARD MEMBER. ONCE RECOGNIZED. THE BOARD MEMBER HAS THE FLOOR UNTIL FINISHED AND THEN YIELDS THE FLOOR BACK TO THE CHAIR. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER CLARK. THANK YOU.

OKAY. I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT. PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH AND RECOGNIZING THEM, BECAUSE THIS IS A TIME WHEN PEOPLE DO A LOT OF THINGS. BUT EVEN THOUGH IT'S SUMMERTIME IN FLORIDA, IT'S JULY AND PEOPLE DO GET OUT. OF COURSE, IT'S A MONTH WHERE IT RAINS AND THERE'S A LOT OF MOSQUITOES AND STUFF. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK WHATEVER OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT DOES.

AND THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING. BUT MAYBE I DIDN'T SEE THAT THING ABOUT THE SENIORS, BUT THEY SAID THEY HAD A COUPLE OF SLIDES THERE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHATEVER WE OFFER AT THE CITY IN TERMS OF PARKS AND RECREATION, WHETHER IT'S A SHUFFLEBOARD COURT OR THE TENNIS COURTS OR PICKLEBALL, WHATEVER PEOPLE DO, OR GOING INSIDE THE RECREATION BUILDING AT THE 10TH STREET AND USING IT FOR ACTIVITIES, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS THAT RECENTLY IN THE COMMUNITY, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE FUNERAL OF OR CELEBRATION OF LIFE FOR MISS MARY JO HORTON, WHO HAS BEEN VERY ACTIVE WITH THE SOROPTIMIST, THE WOMAN'S CLUB, MOLLY'S HOUSE, THE CLEVELAND CLINIC OR FORMER MARTIN MEMORIAL HOSPITAL, AND SO MANY ACTIVITIES THAT SHE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN IN OUR COMMUNITY AND ALSO SERVING IN THE MILITARY IN THE 1950S IN GERMANY AS A AS A WOMAN ARMY CORPS OR WOC PERSONNEL. AND I THINK THAT SHE DIED IN HER 90S, BUT WE NEVER GOT A CHANCE TO REALLY. DO ANYTHING FOR HER BECAUSE SHE WASN'T A CENTENARIAN AT THE TIME WHEN SHE PASSED AWAY. BUT I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE WHEN SOME OF OUR PIONEERS IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO ARE NO LONGER HERE, THAT WE JUST MENTIONED THAT THEY HAVE DONE SOME GREAT WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. NUMBER THREE IS THAT THERE'S A CITY COUNTY MEETING. IS THAT TOMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY IN OKEECHOBEE? THAT'S THE BARBECUE. THE BARBECUE OKAY. THAT'S WEDNESDAY, THAT'S WEDNESDAY, OKAY. AND I WANT TO

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ACTUALLY, YES. IT WOULD ONLY BE FRIDAY NIGHT. AND THEN THE REGISTRATION. OKAY. YOU WOULD BE SPEAKING. NO, THEY WON'T SEE EACH OTHER OKAY. NO, NO. YEAH. IT'S JUST YEAH WE'RE USED TO THAT. NO WE DON'T DEAL WITH SPECIFIC. YEAH. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS THAT I'LL BE OUT FROM JULY 30TH THROUGH AUGUST 4TH. AND THEN ALSO ON THE 31ST, I DON'T KNOW, WHY DID I SAY ON THE. IS IT BECAUSE. ON THE 31ST OF AUGUST. WELL, THE 31ST IS A SUNDAY, SO MAYBE IT'S JUST AUGUST 4TH, 30TH THROUGH THE FOURTH AND THEN OKAY, I MENTIONED THE TREASURE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES ALREADY IN ORLANDO. ON THE 17TH AND A PART OF THE COMMUNITY, THERE'LL BE A MEMORIAL AT THE CORNER OF MONTEREY ROAD AND US ONE REMEMBERING CONGRESSMAN JOHN LEWIS, WHO TALKED ABOUT GOOD TROUBLE TRYING TO RAISE AWARENESS AND TO WHERE IS THAT AT THE CORNER OF US ONE AND MONTEREY ROAD AROUND 430 THROUGH SIX 30 HOURS. IT'S A JOHN CONGRESSMAN WHO'S DECEASED, THOUGH HIS BIRTHDAY IS JULY 17TH, AND THERE'LL BE FOLKS THERE JUST REMEMBERING THAT THEY PEACEFULLY. AND I THINK THERE'S ALSO NATIONAL ACTIVITIES TO REMEMBER. HIS WORK IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT AND THE THINGS THAT HE'S HE'S DONE. I LIKE THAT GOOD TROUBLE, GOOD TROUBLE. GOOD. YEAH. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE HERE. I WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION ABOUT OUR DIRECTION, AND I THINK I BROUGHT THAT UP DURING THE BUDGET MEETING. AND I'M SURE THAT WE'LL BE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT THAT IN THE FUTURE. I, I GUESS I'LL TALK TO MR. MARTELL ABOUT THAT, BUT I, I YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE CDBG FUNDS, CDBG COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN MANAGED WELL AND THEY'RE WORKING ON ON RESOLVING SOME OF THESE ISSUES. AND I THINK THAT THEY CAN BE HANDLED AND TAKEN CARE OF. I TRY TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS, JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THAT RESIDENTS WILL SAY, WELL, I SENT YOU A LETTER AND YOU DIDN'T GET SEND A RESPONSE BACK. BUT I KNOW THAT MOST OF THE TIMES MR. MORTELL IS ALREADY HANDLING SOME OF THESE MATTERS AND DEALING WITH THEM.

BUT I JUST, I, I REALLY WANT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GIVE THESE PRIORITIES TO STAFF TO WORK ON. AND I THINK THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB RESPONDING TO THESE DIFFICULT SITUATIONS AND GIVING OTHER AGENCIES TIME TO WORK ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP,

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ONE IS THE SKATE PARK. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THIS INFORMATION. I WAS PROMPTING FOR IT LAST TIME, BUT AGENDA FOR LEAGUE. WE HAVE THE CONSULTANT COMING AND WE'LL BE GIVING A PRESENTATION ON THE FULL. AND THEN WHEN MIGHT WE BE LOOKING AT LIKE A FINAL SITE PLAN TO APPROVE AT THAT MEETING WILL BE LIKE A 90% PLAN. SO WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD AS TO WHAT ELEMENTS WE WANT TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD WITH. AND IT WILL BE THE SPECIFICALLY THE SKATE PARK OR THE PARK AS A WHOLE, THE PARK AS A WHOLE. OKAY. AND IT WILL INCLUDE SKATE PARK. WE'RE AT 50% DESIGN WITH SKATE PARK, AND IT'S INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL PARK IMPROVEMENTS. SO IF WE'RE SO LET'S SAY WE APPROVE THE SKATE PARK AT THAT MEETING. AND THE DESIGN, WHERE DOES THAT PUT IT? BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL INCORPORATING IT WITH THE OVERALL PARK, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE STORMWATER AND EVERYTHING HAS TO BE INCORPORATED AS A FULL PROJECT. ONCE WE GET DIRECTION, DESIGN IS ACTUALLY FURTHER AHEAD THAN SKATE PARKS. SKATE PARKS ARE 50% THE PARKS AT 90. SO ONCE WE GET DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD, WE CAN PRETTY MUCH START PREPARING FOR BID BID PACKAGES AND GO OUT FOR BID FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT, FOR THE ENTIRE PARK. NOT THE SKATE PARK. NO, IT'D BE THE WHOLE PARK. AND WHY IS THAT? WHEN WE VOTED TO MOVE THAT FORWARD IMMEDIATELY, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU VOTED THAT WE HAD GOTTEN A $500,000 CONTRIBUTION FROM THE STATE, AND AT THAT MEETING, YOU, THE BOARD SAID THEY WANTED TO DIRECT THAT $500,000 FROM THE STATE FOR THE SKATE PARK. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT WAS THAT THE STATE HAD GRANTED A ALLOCATION REQUEST FOR US THAT REQUIRED US TO SPEND $8 MILLION ON THE PARK BEFORE THEY'LL GIVE US THE $500,000, AND THE SKATE PARK WASN'T IN THE SUBMITTAL THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE STATE, SO IT WASN'T SHOWN. SO WE COULDN'T USE THE $500,000. THAT HAS TO JUST COME OUT OF OUT OF NOWHERE, LIKE JUST OUT OF STATE GENERAL FUND, BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION THAT THE BOARD HAD SUBMITTED FOR THE $500,000 IN THE FIRST PLACE. BUT THIS IS THE FIRST THAT I'M HEARING OF THIS. WE TALKED ABOUT IT THAT NIGHT. WE TALKED ABOUT IT SINCE THAT ALLOCATION. THAT WAS AN ISSUE THAT WAS USED TO TREAT THE SKATE PARK SEPARATELY, CORRECT. TO FAST TRACK IT. IT'S STILL PART OF THE LARGER PARK PROJECT, BUT IT'S BEEN FAST TRACKED AND IT'S BEING DONE AND WE'RE PAYING FOR IT WITH SEPARATE FUNDS, BUT WE'RE BECAUSE WE DON'T GET THE 500,000 PARK PROJECT. RIGHT? BECAUSE THE STORMWATER IN THE PARK, BECAUSE THE SKATEBOARD PARK IS GOING IN THE PARK. BUT THAT'S ANTITHETICAL TO WHAT WE VOTED ON. NO IT ISN'T. WE VOTED TO FAST TRACK THAT PARK, AND NOW IT'S BEING SO THE SKATEBOARD PARK MIGHT GET FINISHED BEFORE THE BASEBALL FIELD. BUT NO MATTER WHAT, YOU CAN'T DO THE SKATEBOARD PARK WITHOUT APPROVING THE PARK AND WEARING THE STORMWATER IS. AND WE HAD TWO WELLS THAT WERE RELATED TO THE ROW FIELD THAT THE COMMISSION ALSO TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE DID THE ROW PRESENTATION SIX WEEKS AGO OR TWO MONTHS AGO, THAT ALSO IMPACTED THE PARK. AND SO THE DELAYS HAVE BEEN RELATED TO ONE, THE ROW WATER WELLS, NOT THE OTHER NOT GUY DAVIS HAVING A PRIORITY AHEAD OF THE SKATEBOARD PARK, BUT THE WELLS SYSTEM AND THE DESIGN SYSTEM. AND TWO SIMPLY GETTING THE DESIGN FOR THE SKATEBOARD PARK. WE DON'T HAVE IT. YOU DO HAVE IT. WE HAVE IT 50% PERCENT. THEY'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH DRAINAGE ISSUE FOR THE SKATE PARK. SO THEY ARE A SPAWN RANCH IS ACTUALLY WORKING ON THAT TO ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE FOR THE SKATE PARK. AND THEN THAT'S GOING TO BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE OVERALL PROJECT YOU'RE CURRENTLY WAITING TO HEAR FROM SPAHN RANCH. WITH REGARD TO THE DRAINAGE THERE STILL. YEAH, IT'S IN THEIR HANDS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. HAS THE COST OF THE SKATE PARK GONE UP TO $750,000 AS PER THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS? IT'S ABOUT 650,000 TO $700,000. RIGHT. SO IT'S THAT'S THE ESTIMATED PROVIDED BY CGA, OUR CONSULTANT. AND THEN. OKAY. THANK YOU.

BRIGHT LINE PARKING. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I BROUGHT UP IS REVIEWING THE BRIGHT BRIGHT LINE PARKING SITUATION. WHEN MIGHT WE BE DOING THAT THERE. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO REVIEW. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING. I MEAN, LIKE WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANY PARKING. THERE'S NO PARKING. THE COUNTY WAS REQUESTING OUR PARKING SPACES ON STATEMENT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT WORK. SO WHAT WE HAD SAID ORIGINALLY IN THE INTERLOCAL WITH THE COUNTY IS THAT WE WERE GOING TO RESTRIPE THE PARKING. AND WHEN

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WE'RE NOT STRIPING IT. WE DIDN'T DO THE DESIGN TO STRIPE IT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF US TO APPROVE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING? IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T, BUT OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT'S COME UP, I WOULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT NOTIFYING YOU GUYS. SO IT'S NOT IT'S FOR APPROVAL. IT'S NOT A IT'S IT SIMPLY HASN'T EVEN BEEN I HAVEN'T EVEN DISCUSSED IT WITH ANYBODY. I MEAN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU AT ALL, BECAUSE FIRST, ASSUMING FOR THE SAKE OF CONVERSATION THAT THE AGREEMENT THAT BRIGHTLINE AND THE COUNTY ENTERED INTO LAST YEAR SAID THAT IT WAS CONTINGENT UPON THEM GETTING THE GRANT. SO IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T GET THE GRANT, NOTHING HAPPENS. SO IT'S OVER WITH. IF THE COUNTY DOES GET THE GRANT, THEY'LL GET THE GRANT PROBABLY DECEMBER OF JANUARY OF 2526. NO, 25. IT'LL BE THIS FALL. THIS FALL. RIGHT. AND THEN IT WOULD TAKE PROBABLY SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR FOR DESIGN AND GO OUT TO BID, WHICH WOULD BE ALL AT 26. AND IF THEY GO UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THEY'RE PROBABLY PROJECTING A 28 TIMEFRAME OR 29 TIMEFRAME. THE TIME IT TAKE US TO STRIPE THAT THING WOULD BE LIKE THE WEEKEND. SO, I MEAN, WE COULD GO PAINT THOSE STRIPES, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY DIAGONALLY OR WHICHEVER WAY, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO STRIPE THE PARKING SPACES. I'M NOT SURE. YEAH. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS. OKAY, SO MY COMMENTS LAST TIME WERE THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE COURTHOUSE PARKING LOT, THEY'RE GOING TO USE FOR BRIGHTLINE PARKING. WHERE ARE THE COURTHOUSE PEOPLE GOING TO PARK. THEY'RE GOING TO USE THEIR THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR THAT FOR BOTH OF THOSE. SO THEY WANT US TO STRIPE SPOTS ON OUR PROPERTY TO, TO ALLOW FOR MORE SPACES. THE AGREEMENT WAS THAT WE ORIGINALLY WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT. WE SAID WE WOULD WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT. BUT SINCE THEN THEY HAVEN'T COME BACK TO US AND SAID ANYTHING ABOUT DOING IT. THEY THAT WAS THE MAIN CONCERN AT THAT MEETING. RIGHT. BUT THEY DIDN'T.

THEY HAVEN'T CALLED ME AND SAID, ARE YOU STRIPING THE LOT? THEY'RE NOT ASKING ME TO DO IT.

SO MY WHAT I REQUESTED AND WHAT I ASKED WAS I'D LIKE A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT HOW MANY SPOTS ARE THERE, HOW MANY SPOTS THEY NEED FOR SPOTS BRIGHTLINE REQUIRES FROM THEM, AND WHAT THE PARKING IMPLICATIONS OF THAT WOULD BE. WELL, WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL THEY DO THE DEAL WITH BRIGHTLINE, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING WITH. I DON'T KNOW IF BRIGHTLINE IS BUILDING A PARKING GARAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE DOING SURFACE PARKING. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE USING HALF THE PARKING LOT. THERE'S NO CONVERSATION ABOUT A PARKING GARAGE. RIGHT. SO ORIGINALLY WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON IT, CORRECT. WE HAD PULLED BACK THE PARKING GARAGE BECAUSE OF THE MASS OF IT, BECAUSE THE BOCA STATION FOR BRIGHTLINE TURNED OUT THAT THEY DON'T NEED PARKING. BRIGHTLINE DOESN'T NEED RFP. IT HAD. BUT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY APPLIED TO BRIGHTLINE AND SAID WE CAN PROVIDE ALL THIS PARKING, IT WAS BECAUSE WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE HAVING THIS BIG NEED FOR PARKING. WHAT HAPPENED IS IT TURNED OUT THE BOCA STATION OPENED AND THEY DON'T NEED THE PARKING. THE CITY OF STUART IN MARTIN COUNTY, THE BUDGET FOR BRIGHTLINE OR THE MARKETING SCHEME IS NOT BASED UPON CITY OF STUART RESIDENTS BUYING TICKETS EVERY WEEK AND GOING ON BRIGHTLINE.

BRIGHTLINE'S BUDGET IS BASED UPON THE PRESENTATION TO BRIGHTLINE THAT THE TRAVEL AND HOW MANY SPOTS WERE IN THE RFP. MIKE NOW I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BUSINESS MODEL. BRIGHTLINE. HOW MANY SPOTS WERE IN THE RFP? THEY'RE THERE. I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT DIDN'T MATTER BECAUSE WE TOOK IT OUT OF THE PARKING GARAGE, OUT OF THE GARAGE. BUT AFTER THAT, WHEN IT WAS SURFACE PARKING, HOW MANY SPOTS WERE IN THAT PULL IT UP? YEAH, IT WAS LIKE 200. IT WAS I THINK IT WAS A TOTAL OF 200. BUT THE, THE BUT THE ILA WE DID THE CITY SAID SUFFICIENT TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE RFP. WHEN BRIGHTLINE RESPONDED THEY SAID 200. CORRECT. THAT WAS THE NUMBER. THAT WAS WHAT I BELIEVE WAS THE BRIGHTLINE NEEDS 200 SPOTS FOR THEIR STATION. THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED. OKAY. HOW MANY SPOTS ARE ON THE SURFACE PARKING AND HOW MANY SPOTS ARE REQUIRED FOR THAT COURTHOUSE BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE AND USAGE? AND WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO WHEN ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT PARK AT THE COURTHOUSE ARE PUSHED ONTO ON STREET, WHEN WE'VE ALREADY DEDICATED THAT SHARED PARKING, AT LEAST IN PART TO THE ELIZABETH AND EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND THERE? WELL, THESE ARE MY CONCERNS WE HAVE. WE HAVEN'T DEDICATED THAT PARKING TO THE

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OKAY. BECAUSE IF THEIR PARKING IS GOING TO BE PUSHED OUT ONTO OUR ON STREET, WE HAVE AN ISSUE.

AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S A PUBLIC STREET RIGHT. BUT IT'S SHARED PARKING.

IT'S I MEAN THE SAME THING GOES FOR THE BASEBALL FIELD, IF ANY OTHER IF ANY OTHER BUSINESS ON THE STREET, IF MY BUSINESS DID THAT, IF I PUT A HOT DOG STAND IN MY BACK PARKING LOT AND I COULDN'T MEET MY PARKING REQUIREMENTS ANYMORE, AND I COULDN'T JUST SAY THAT, WELL, YOU CAN PARK ON STREET, THAT WOULD CAUSE THE CITY TO COME AFTER ME FOR AN ISSUE. THERE WOULD BE AN ISSUE THERE. OKAY, OKAY. MR. MAYOR, DO YOU UNDERSTAND? SURE. OKAY. PERFECT.

ALL RIGHT. LAST THING. WELL, SECOND TO LAST THING IS AN UPDATE ON THE 1895 CHURCH. WHAT IS THE LATEST? MAYBE ONE OF YOU TWO. WHAT'S WHAT? WHAT'S WHAT? COMMISSIONER GOBI READ ABOUT. SO WHAT ARE WE WAITING ON FOR THE LAST FOR THE SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER WHEN I GAVE YOU GUYS UPDATES, MR. HAMILTON DIDN'T PICK HIS PERSONAL. STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.

[03:35:06]

IF WE HAVE TO DO CUSTOM WINDOWS, NOT THE FULL HISTORY, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? WHAT'S THE NEXT THING I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU? BUT I CAN'T DO THE PIECEMEAL THING BECAUSE WHEN YOU GUYS COMMUNICATE WITH THEM AND HEAR THEIR SIDE OF THE STORY COMMUNICATED WITH THEM, I'M JUST ASKING YOU WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS FOR THEM TO AGREE ON WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO HAVE THE STATE OF FLORIDA PAY FOR. I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO PAY FOR ANYTHING FOR THEM. THIS IS ALL FLORIDA COMMERCE CDBG GRANT MONEY UNDER THE CDBG GRANT, AND THE STRICT INTERPRETATION OF TAX DOLLARS. IT'S $80,000 PER HOUSE. THEY'RE AT $70,000. BEFORE THEY HAD THE $20,000 ROOF CHANGE. IF WE TAKE OUT THEIR WINDOWS AND PUT IN NEW WINDOWS, AND EVEN THOUGH THAT COSTS ANOTHER DOLLAR, CALL IT EVEN ANYWAY, WHICH BECAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS AGREED TO DO THAT, THEY ALSO WANT ALL NEW WALLS, ALL NEW CEILINGS AND ENTIRE THING PAINTED. THEY WANT A NEW. SILL VENT SILL VENT PUT IN THEIR ROOF. THEY WANT INSULATION AND OTHER STUFF THAT SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR. IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO BUDGET IT AND PAY FOR IT, THEN THEY'LL AGREE AND WE CAN GO FORWARD IN THE CITY CAN BUY IT FOR. SO CURRENTLY THE CITY IS NOT INVOLVED IN THAT PORTION. WE ARE TOTALLY INVOLVED. I DON'T AGREE WITH THE SCOPE OF SERVICES. I SAY, LOOK, YOUR SCOPE OF SERVICES WAS WHAT YOUR APPLICATION WAS. SO WHAT ARE WE WAITING ON? WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE 16TH WITH FLORIDA COMMERCE TO DISCUSS THE SCOPE OF SERVICES.

THE LAST EMAIL THAT THEY SENT TO EVERYBODY AND ACCUSED THE CITY OF DOING FRAUD WAS BECAUSE PINNELL TOOK THE CONTRACTOR'S NAME OFF OF THE SCOPE OF SERVICES SO SHE COULD SUBMIT IT TO FLORIDA COMMERCE AS THE LIST OF WHAT THEY WANTED. AND WE HAVE TO GO OUT TO RFP BY PROCUREMENT.

THAT'S THE LAW. WE DON'T GET TO JUST DO THESE BACK ROOM KICKBACKS. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS PLACE. THE CASE IN THE FIRST PLACE, THE HAMILTONS THOUGHT THEY'D NEGOTIATED A DEAL, THAT THIS CONTRACTOR WAS ALSO GOING TO GIVE THEM A FREE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM AND FREE OTHER STUFF ON TOP OF THE CONTRACT PRICE. AND WHEN THEY DIDN'T, THAT'S WHEN THE HAMILTONS OBJECTED TO THE WINDOWS. THEY PUT IN 21 WINDOWS AND THE HAMILTONS DIDN'T OBJECT TO ONE. SO. SO THE NEXT STEP IS THAT MEETING. AND THEN YOU ARE GOING TO PRESENT THAT IF WE'RE UNABLE TO AGREE ON THE 16TH, IT'LL COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, AND THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT TO AGREE ON EITHER WHAT PAYING THE DIFFERENCE OR MY DIRECTION WAS ONCE WE HAD A DEAL WITH THE STATE, WAS TO PRESENT YOU GUYS THE WHOLE STORY. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A DEAL WITH THE STATE YET BECAUSE WE LITERALLY JUST GOT THE SCOPE OF SERVICES FROM THE HAMILTONS IN THE MIDDLE OF JUNE, LIKE JUNE 10TH OR 12TH WAS THE FIRST TIME WE GOT THERE.

CONTRACTORS. AND THEN THAT DIFFERENCE FROM THE 80 WAS, OH, IT'S GOING TO BE WELL OVER 100 AND $100,000. OKAY. IT'LL BE I MEAN, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, EXPENDITURES. WELL, THE WINDOWS ARE GOING TO BE 2020 PANEL CAN DISCUSS IT RIGHT TO $80,000. SO FAR WE'VE PAID FOR THE ROOF WHICH IS ABOUT 2020 $2,000. SO THERE'S A REMAINING BALANCE. BUT WE'VE ALSO PAID FOR THE WINDOWS.

RIGHT. WE HAVE TO TAKE THE WINDOWS OUT AND PUT NEW WINDOWS IN THAT'S PAID FROM OUR IT DOESN'T MATTER. RIGHT. SO THAT'S PAID FROM THE MATCH. SO THERE'S STILL $60,000 BALANCE REMAINING FOR THEM TO USE TOWARDS REPLACING THE WINDOWS AND OTHER ITEMS THAT THEY REQUESTED. SO WE'RE WAITING FOR THEM TO AGREE ON THE FULL SCOPE OF WORK. WHEN YOU SAY THEY THE HAMILTONS.

HAMILTON'S RIGHT TO AGREE ON THE FULL SCOPE OF WORK. WHO PRODUCED THAT? BUT THEY WANT TO FIND THEY WANT TO USE THEIR OWN CONTRACTOR. SO THAT'S WHAT THE MEETING IS ABOUT ON WEDNESDAY, THAT FLORIDA COMMERCE WILL GIVE US DIRECTION, WHETHER WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT GOING THROUGH BID PROCESS. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING FLORIDA COMMERCE WOULD HAVE TO TELL US, BECAUSE OUR REQUIREMENT IS TO GO OUT FOR BID PROCESS AND DO FAIR BIDDING AND GET THE CONTRACTORS TO EVERY TIME WE COMMUNICATE SOMETHING TO THE HAMILTONS, THEY IMMEDIATELY SEND AN EMAIL TO YOU GUYS AND EVERYBODY ELSE. AND I KNOW IT'S NOT YOU PERSONALLY. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET IT, STIRS IT UP, AND THEN WE SPEND THE NEXT TWO WEEKS RESPONDING. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE UPDATE WAS ON, WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS. THAT'S ALL THE BIDDING PROCESS IS, THE NEXT STEP. ONCE THEY AGREE ON THE SCOPE, WE'LL SEND THE SCOPE TO SHIPPO TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT.

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[03:45:01]

WE'RE GETTING ABOUT 1.2 MILLION A YEAR FROM THE SALES TAX. SO AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO PUT ON THE AUGUST MEETING THE TWO ACRES. DO YOU WANT IT? DO YOU WANT US? I MEAN, YOU GUYS CAN JUST VOTE AT THAT MEETING. WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR AND WHAT I'D LIKE I'LL GET WE'LL CLARIFY THIS AGAIN IS YOU HAD MENTIONED AT $750,000 TO DO, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY OF IF THAT'S EVEN IF THAT'S EVEN NECESSARY, REALLY LIKE TALKING TO DOT AND GETTING A SENSE OF IS THAT REALLY NECESSARY? AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO OR THE GRANTS THERE, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS ABOUT STORMWATER, THERE'S SOME OF THESE THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT AROUND THAT TWO ACRES. I DON'T WANT IT TO JUST GET LOST. I WILL I WILL BRING BACK THE TWO ACRES. WON'T BE THE 28TH. IT'LL BE THE AUGUST 11TH MEETING. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND WHAT I'LL HAVE IS ESSENTIALLY ITS CURRENT STATE AND WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY FOR IT TO BE, BECAUSE IF YOU MAKE IT A PARK OR ANYTHING VIABLE, YOU NEED TO HAVE A BATHROOM, YOU NEED TO HAVE LIGHTS, YOU NEED TO HAVE MAINTENANCE, STUFF LIKE THAT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BATHROOM IN A PASSIVE PARK. WELL, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING. WE CAN JUST SAY IT'S A PASSIVE PARK PARKING LOT, RIGHT? AND THEN TRAILHEADS JUST MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S TRAILS THROUGH THERE, BUT AT LEAST IT'S ACCESSIBLE.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A FULL PARK AND SPENDING A BUNCH OF MONEY ON BATHROOMS, AND BUT RIGHT NOW YOU CANNOT ACCESS THAT AT ALL. PUTTING A SIGN OUT FRONT, CALL IT SOMEBODY'S NAME.

OKAY. KIND OF A THING. I MEAN, I LIKE THE KIPLINGER, LIKE THE KIPLINGER PARK AT THE BASE OF THE BRIDGE. YOU KNOW, IT'S A PASSIVE PARK, RIGHT? AND FROM A FROM LIKE A PHILOSOPHICAL STANDPOINT, I THINK YOU GUYS WILL BE WITH ME. I'M NOT I'M NOT INTO CONSERVATION JUST FOR THE SAKE OF, LIKE, SAVING TREES. I'M A REPUBLICAN. I'M A CONSERVATIVE. I BELIEVE THAT YOU IT'S IN THE WORD RIGHT CONSERVATIVE. YOU CONSERVATION OF LAND SHOULD BE FOR PUBLIC BENEFIT. SO JUST CARVING THIS OUT SO NOBODY CAN EVER SEE IT OR ACCESS IT OR APPRECIATE IT TO ME IS NOT. YEAH. BECAUSE I'M NOT YOU KNOW, I'M, I BLEED RED. RIGHT. SO I WANT KIDS TO BE ABLE

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IT'S WHERE I DON'T WANT TO SEE A POP UP. I DON'T WANT TO. RIGHT. AND UNLESS YOU MAKE FOR THE RECORD, THE CITY TURNED POPEYES DOWN IN 2017 AND SAID, NO, RIGHT. BUT YOU YOUR ONLY WAY TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING IS YOU CAN YOU HAVE THAT GOING TO CONSERVATION? WE'RE NOT HAVING THIS IS COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. WE'RE NOT HAVING A PRIVILEGE. IF YOU'D LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED PLEASE ASK YOU. YOU EITHER HAVE THAT GO INTO CONSERVATION OR YOU HAVE IT FUNCTION AS LIKE A PASSIVE PARK. THAT'S REALLY YOUR TWO OPTIONS TO TAKE THAT OFF THE TABLE FOR COMMERCIAL USE CAR WASH APARTMENTS, YADA YADA. SO. ALL RIGHT, THOSE WERE ALL MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY.

COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES. YEAH. WHEN YOU MENTIONED WITH MR. MORTAL, MR. MORTAL MENTIONED A DATE FOR NEXT MEETING, WAS THAT YOU SAID AUGUST 4TH OR AUGUST 11TH? I, I JUST WANT TO BE SURE HE DID. SINCE AUGUST 11TH IS THE MEETING. IF I SAID IF I MISSPOKE, IT'S WHATEVER. THE SECOND MONDAY OF AUGUST IS OKAY. ALL RIGHT. FINE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL I'M GOING TO ADD A COUPLE COMMENTS. ONE, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE REFERENDUM ITEM AS REGARDS THIS TO A TWO ACRE PARCEL, IT'S QUITE CLEAR. IT SAYS SHALL THE CITY LEASE AND SHALL HAS SPECIFIC LEGAL IMPORT. ISN'T THAT CORRECT, MR. BAGGETT? AND SHALL MEANS WE WILL DO THAT. AND THEY VOTED BY WELL OVER TWO THIRDS AND APPROVED THAT. SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO UNDER OVERCOME THAT.

AND IT'S A GOOD THING WE HAVE A LAWYER. YOU CAN LOOK INTO THAT FOR US. BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR LEGAL OPINION OKAY. SECONDLY, AND THE CITY HAS A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WITH WHOM WE'RE DEALING ON AN ONGOING BASIS. AND WHEN YOU SEE THAT THEY ARE VERY THREATENING IN THEIR TONE AND THREATENING LEGAL ACTION, AND YOU ARE COMMUTING, COMMUNICATING WITH THEM, ESPECIALLY IN WRITING, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT YOU SHOW IT TO MR. BAGGETT BEFORE SENDING IT, AND CERTAINLY AT LEAST COPY HIM AND COPY THE CITY MANAGER, BECAUSE AS YOU'VE JUST BEEN MADE AWARE, YOUR STATEMENTS, WHICH YOU MAY SEE AS CASUAL OR COMMON SENSE, CAN ACTUALLY PUT THE CITY IN A COMPROMISING POSITION, AND THERE'S NO MORE COMPLICATED SITUATION THAN THE HAMILTON'S BECAUSE OF THE INVOLVEMENT OF THESE GRANTS, BECAUSE OF THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE STATE. SO THESE TWO GENTLEMEN ARE ARE DIRECT EMPLOYEES. AND I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR EXPERIENCE AND THEIR KNOWLEDGE, AND ESPECIALLY LIKE A SITUATION LIKE THIS. SO I DO WANT TO COMMENT ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED AS A RESULT OF THE GOVERNOR SIGNING THE EMERGENCY ACT AND THE FACT THAT ALL THE DECISIONS WE MADE DURING THE ZIP HAVE BEEN RENDERED MOOT. AND I CAN'T SAY I'M SURPRISED WITH REGARD TO THE POSITION THIS COMMISSION CURRENTLY FINDS ITSELF IN. THAT IS ALL THE TIME AND EFFORT WE WASTED, THE STAFF, TIME THAT WAS WASTED, AND THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES OF THE CITY OF STUART WASTED EFFORTS AND CONCERN. ADDRESSING THE PROPOSED AND NOW ILLEGAL CHANGES TO OUR CODE BROUGHT UP DURING THIS ZIP. PERHAPS THIS COMMISSION GOING FORWARD CAN CHANGE WHO WE LISTEN TO, WHO WE TAKE ADVICE FROM. I SUGGEST WE BEGIN BY LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC, TO THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED US, TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WORK HERE. ONE OF THE MOST SHOCKING COMMENTS MADE DURING THIS PROCESS WAS THE STATEMENT FROM ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS. AS WE WERE TRYING TO ENACT SOME OF THE MOST RESTRICTIVE CHANGES TO OUR CODE IN YEARS, WAS THAT COMMENTS BY THE PUBLIC BOGGED DOWN THE PROCESS, ARE ON AN UNNECESSARY DELAY AND A WASTE OF TIME. THAT IS A REMARKABLE COMMENT FROM AN ELECTED OFFICIAL ON THE DAIS. MAYBE THE COMMISSION CAN LISTEN TO THE STAFF AND OTHERS WHO WARNED US REPEATEDLY THAT WE WERE DOING WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS ILLEGAL, AND A VIOLATION OF OUR OATH TO UPHOLD THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THE COMMISSION COULDN'T EVEN VIOLATE THE LAW IN THE CORRECT ORDER, AS WE ARE REQUIRED TO FIRST AMEND THE COMP PLAN AND THEN MAKE

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DON'T BE SURPRISED WHEN THE STATE SHOWS UP AND SLAPS YOU DOWN. MR. MARTELL, DO YOU HAVE

[COMMENTS BY CITY MANAGER]

I THINK THAT IT IS INCREDIBLY DISAPPOINTING. I THINK IT IS DISGUSTING THAT YOU WOULD GLOAT ON THE STATE COMING IN AND SUBVERTING NOT JUST THIS COMMISSION, MANATEE COUNTY, MANY OTHER VICE MAYOR. I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT DONE. YOU WERE NOT I'M NOT DONE. THAT'S OKAY.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TURN MY MIC OFF. POINT OF ORDER THAT YOU WOULD GLOAT AT THE SUBVERTING OF THE WILL OF OUR VOTERS LOCALLY. I THINK IT'S DISGUSTING. OUR VOTERS GAVE A CLEAR MANDATE AT WHAT THEY WANTED IN THIS COMMISSION, TRIED TO PROVIDE THAT FOR THEM, AND THAT YOU WOULD GLOAT AND CALL THAT TIME WASTED WHEN THE STATE CHANGED THE LAW. THIS COMMISSION WAS DOING EVERYTHING IT COULD. IT STAYED WITHIN PROPERTY RIGHTS.

IT STAYED. IT STAYED WITHIN THE CONDITIONAL USE PORTION, AND IT TRIED TO PROVIDE RESIDENTS WHAT THEY WANTED, WHICH WAS LESS APARTMENTS, LESS TRAFFIC. AND WE DID THAT. AND NOT JUST THIS LITTLE TOWN HERE, MANATEE COUNTY AND OTHER PLACES THAT VOTED SIMILARLY ON THEIR BOARDS. THEY WERE SUBVERTED AS WELL. AND EVEN IF WE DISAGREE, WE SHOULD NOT GLOAT AT THE LOSS OF HOME HOME RULE. IT'S GROSS. DISAPPOINTING. EVEN IF WE DISAGREE VIOLENTLY, WE SHOULDN'T ALWAYS BE ON THE

[04:00:04]

THEY DIDN'T FILL OUT THEIR W-9, THEY JUST SIGNED IT. BUT I WOULD IMAGINE STAFF WILL PROBABLY CATCH THAT AT ONE POINT. BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T SEE THAT YOU HAVE A MOTION WITH REGARD TO THE WOULD YOU LIKE TO PULL THAT ITEM? I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS PULLED. I MEAN, MAYBE MIKE DOESN'T NEED PULLED. NO, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT. OKAY, IT'D JUST BE A NOTE. OKAY. THAT'S ALL IT WAS. OKAY. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT CALENDAR, BUT WE'RE APPROVING THE WHOLE AGENDA, THE CONSENT CALENDAR AND THE COMMISSION ACTION AND THE DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION. JUST APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA WITHOUT PULLING ANYTHING. YEAH. ARE YOU. ARE YOU DOING THAT? THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN THE AGENDA. LET MISS JO SPEAK FOR HERSELF. OKAY. WELL, WE

[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

AS IS SECOND, AS IS COMMISSIONER JOB. YOU'RE NOT PULLING THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. AS IS SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? I OPPOSED SEEING NONE. I THINK WE'VE RUN OFF THE PUBLIC. YEAH, MILTON, YOU DON'T COUNT? NO. IS THAT COUNT? MILTON? YOU TOTALLY COUNT. OKAY, STAFF, DON'T LISTEN TO MR. BAGGETT, WILL YOU READ? ITEM 11 HAS BEEN DELETED. AND ALSO COMMENTS FROM THE MINUTES. OKAY.

COMMENTS? YES. THERE IS NO PUBLIC. I JUST ASK ON THE RECORD BECAUSE WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. WE DO NOT. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. BAGGETT, WILL YOU READ ITEM 11 FOR OUR CONSIDERATION? NO, WE HAVE TO. WE STILL HAVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. CAN I GET A

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

[11. AUTHORIZATION TO SCHEDULE ATTORNEY-CLIENT SESSION (RC): RESOLUTION No. 65-2025; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO SCHEDULE AN ATTORNEY-CLIENT SESSION WITH THE CITY COMMISSION, CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, AND OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING PENDING LITIGATION MATTERS PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTES S 286.011(8); PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES..]

SO WE CAN NO LONGER HAVE A SHADE MEETING BECAUSE THE CASE IS OVER. WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE SHADE MEETINGS WHEN A CASE IS PENDING, SO WE DON'T NEED A MOTION FROM YOU. BUT MY COMMENTS, I THINK, WOULD ALONE BE ENOUGH TO AT LEAST PUT ON THE RECORD SO THAT DURING THE AGENDA ITEM THAT WE'RE WITHDRAWING THE AGENDA ITEM, I AGREE. IF IT'S WITHDRAWN, THERE'S NOTHING TO

[12. REQUESTING LETTER OF SUPPORT TO MARTIN COUNTY HUMAN SERVICES FOR JAG GRANT (RC): RESOLUTION No. 66-2025; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING A LETTER OF SUPPORT TO MARTIN COUNTY HUMAN SERVICES FOR THE SUBMISSION OF AN APPLICATION FOR THE EDWARD BYRNE MEMORIAL JUSTICE ASSISTANCE GRANT PROGRAM FOR MENTAL HEALTH COURT; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

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MR. YES. MR. MAYOR, IF THE IF THE THERE'S NO OBJECTION FROM ANYONE, I'D LIKE TO MOVE RESOLUTION 66 2025, IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION BY THE COUNTY FOR THE EDWARD BRYANT MEMORIAL JUSTICE ASSISTANCE GRANT PROGRAM. HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOVI. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? I HAVE NONE SEEING NONE. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSIONERS? I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. I I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH MENTAL HEALTH COURT FOR MANY YEARS, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM IN THE COURT AND JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND ALSO AS A, A COMMUNITY. GATEWAY OR ACTIVITY IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD THING IF WE CAN MOVE, IF WE CAN VOTE TO SUPPORT THIS MATTER. DO THESE FUNCTIONAL PEOPLE FUNCTION AS GUARDIAN AD LITEM TO A DEGREE OR WHAT IS IT? NO MENTAL HEALTH COURT IS THAT PART IS DIFFERENT. GUARDIAN AD LITEM IS WITH DEPENDENCY COURT. NO. I'M SAYING IS IT SIMILAR TO. YEAH. YEAH. THEY DO HAVE PEOPLE THERE WHO WORK WITH THEM. A LOT OF SOCIAL WORKERS. IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT BUT ESSENTIAL. I AGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER. OH, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST WAITING FOR THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. OKAY. SO NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. ROLL CALL PLEASE. VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES, MAYOR. RICH. YES, COMMISSIONER. SELBY. YES,

[13. UPDATE REGARDING 121 SW FLAGLER AVENUE]

THESE ARE THE SUMMARIES OF WHAT THAT EMAIL SAID. BIGGEST PROBLEM IN DOWNTOWN IS PARKING. CURRENT CITY HALL AND ANNEX BUILDING ARE GROSSLY WASTING SPACE, WHICH COULD BE UTILIZED IN MORE COST EFFECTIVE WAY. CITY SHOULD BUILD A FOUR STORY BUILDING. THREE STORIES WOULD BE PARKING GARAGE.

THE FOURTH FLOOR WOULD BE A WATERFRONT, OFFICES OR RESTAURANTS RENTED OUT, OBVIOUSLY TO PAY FOR THE COST OF THE PARKING GARAGE. AND THEN THE CITY SHOULD MOVE CITY HALL TO A

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THESE ARE OUT OF ORDER. BUT SO IN 2006, THEY STARTED DOING THAT PROPOSAL. GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

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

SO THIS THIS RIGHT HERE WAS A RIGHT OF WAY THAT WAS ALREADY IN HERE FOR SOME REASON, WHEN WE WERE PUTTING THE PARCELS TOGETHER, WHEN WE ENTERED INTO THE LEASE CHANGING THIS FIRST IT WENT FROM MULLIGAN'S TO SPOTO OR FROM FROM SPOTO'S TO MULLIGAN'S, AND THEN WHEN IT WAS GOING TO

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WE HADN'T ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY YET, BUT WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING OUT A DEAL WITH THEM AT THE TIME. WE KNOW WHAT THAT BEEPING IS. I THINK IT'S THE I THINK IT'S THE COMPUTER. WHAT'S THE BEEPING? A USB THAT'S CONNECTING AND OKAY. OR IT COULD BE AN EMAIL COMING IN OR IT COULD BE MUTED. SO IT'S NOT THANK YOU. YOU CAN STILL SEE THAT LITTLE RIGHT OF WAY PIECE THAT'S IN HERE FOR SOME REASON. I WANT TO HIT NEXT OKAY. SO AT THAT JANUARY 18TH MEETING IN 2006, MR. STUCKEY GOT UP AND SAID, WAIT A SECOND. YOU GUYS ARE PLANNING ON LEASING OUT CITY HALL? AND HE WAS IN DISMAY ABOUT IT. IRONICALLY, IT STARTED FROM HIS EMAIL, BUT HE SUGGESTED THAT WE HOLD A REFERENDUM PRIOR TO DOING ANYTHING WITH THE WATERFRONT PROPERTY. AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT WAS A GREAT IDEA. AND THE REASON WHY IT WAS A GREAT IDEA IS BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE GET IN THESE SITUATIONS WHERE EVEN SUGGESTING SOMETHING MAKES PEOPLE SO AFRAID OF CHANGE THAT EVERYBODY BLOWS A GASKET AND GOES SO AGAINST IT. AND SO THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED IT THAT JANUARY 18TH MEETING AND SAID, YEAH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE, LISTEN, IT WILL ALLOW US TO FULLY VET WHATEVER THE SUBJECT IS. AND INSTEAD OF JUST PUTTING ON A REFERENDUM, HEY, SHOULD THE CITY LEASE OUT CITY HALL SITE, IT CAN GO THROUGH AND DO A FULL RFP AND IT CAN GET DETAILS, AND IT CAN DESIGN A HOTEL OR A PARK OR WHATEVER IT IS AND THEN PUT ON THE REFERENDUM, HEY, DO YOU WANT TO GET THIS AND LITERALLY SHOW IT TO THE RESIDENTS? AND DURING THE TIME THAT THEY'RE VETTING IT OR DOING THE RFP OR HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS, WHEN THE NAYSAYERS CAME IN AND WANTED TO SAY, ABSOLUTELY NOT, YOU'RE DOING THE WRONG THING OR WHATEVER THE COMMISSION WOULD SAY, LOOK, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING AT THE END. THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO GET TO VOTE ON THIS. THIS IS JUST COLLECTING THE INFORMATION SO THE PUBLIC CAN VOTE. SO ULTIMATELY, THE SECTION 9.05 OF THE CODE WAS ADOPTED BY REFERENDUM. THE CITY COMMISSION SHALL NOT CONVEY OR LEASE FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS, INCLUDING OPTIONS TO RENEW ANY INTEREST IN REAL PROPERTY OWNED OR CONTROLLED BY THE CITY. IF IT OR ANY CONTIGUOUS PARCEL HAS FRONTAGE ON THE SAINT LUCIE RIVER OR ON A TIDAL CREEK, UNLESS THE PROPOSED CONVEYANCE OR LEASE WAS FIRST APPROVED BY PUBLIC REFERENDUM. USING THE PROCEDURE SET FORTH IN 9.04.W YC REFERENDUM. AND THAT'S WHY THE TWO ACRE PARCEL ON HANEY CREEK WENT TO PUBLIC REFERENDUM, BECAUSE HANEY CREEK IS A TIDAL CREEK THAT'S CONTIGUOUS TO THAT TWO ACRE PARCEL. AND AS A RESULT, CITY HALL SITE NEVER WENT TO REFERENDUM. THAT NEVER HAPPENED. IRONICALLY, THE WATERFRONT SITE NEXT DOOR DID GO TO REFERENDUM, AND THE PUBLIC VOTED FOR THE CITY TO SIGN A 40 YEAR LEASE. HUDSON'S DID GO TO REFERENDUM. THE TWO ACRE PARCEL DID GO TO REFERENDUM, AND THE PARCEL DID GO TO REFERENDUM. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ONE MORE REFERENDUM. PRIOR TO BEING

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RELOCATION OF CITY HALL STUART MEANS PUTTING TOGETHER A CROSS SECTION OF STAKEHOLDERS TO ADDRESS WHETHER THE REDEVELOPMENT IS WORTH. THE TIME, AND WHAT FORM THAT REDEVELOPMENT SHOULD TAKE, AND THEN THEY START TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS AND DEVELOPING CRITERIA FOR EVALUATING POTENTIAL PLANS. THE NEXT SLIDE JANUARY 30TH, THEY HELD A MEETING WITH A MEET AND GREET DISCUSSIONS. THEY HAD SLIDES AND PICTURES OF BEFORE AND AFTERS OF DOWNTOWN AND WHERE THEY SHOULD GO FROM THERE. JANUARY 31ST, FROM 830 TO 1 P.M. THERE WAS A PRESENTATION AND HOW USE OF THIS CURRENT CITY HALL SITE AND OTHER LOCATIONS HAVE CHANGED OVER TIME, FROM PRIVATE USERS TO ACCOMMODATE PUBLIC NEEDS. AND THEN 14TH, THE STAKEHOLDERS MET AGAIN TO IDENTIFY THE KEY CHARACTERISTICS OF A SUCCESSFUL SITE. NEXT SLIDE. KEY CHARACTERISTICS WERE. THIS WAS SEGMENT THREE OF THEIR BROCHURE REFOCUSING ON THE PRESENT. THE STAKEHOLDERS WILL TAKE THE MORNING TO IDENTIFY THE KEY CHARACTERISTICS. THESE IMPERATIVES WILL PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK FOR EVALUATING THE PROPOSED USES. THE SITE MAY INCLUDE, IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER, PROVIDING PUBLIC RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES, INCLUDING

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ENHANCING TOURISM INCLUDING ALL CITY DEMOGRAPHICS. DEVELOPING DOWNTOWN STUART AS A DESTINATION FOR BOTH RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. BEING COMPATIBLE WITH THE DOWNTOWN RAIL STATION.

PRESERVING OR CREATING GREEN SPACE. HAVING A NEUTRAL OR POSITIVE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC AND PARKING. BEING FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE FOR BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARTNERS. HAVING A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. SUPPORTING HISTORIC PRESERVATION. BEING ROOTED IN RESPONSIBLE STEWARDSHIP OF PUBLIC FUNDS. THE LIST WAS BY NO MEANS EXHAUSTIVE. THEY HAD THAT MEETING AND AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY HAD THAT MEETING A. DEAL STARTED TO COME TOGETHER FOR THE TRIANGLE PARCEL AND DIRECTIONS AND FOCUS GOT STEERED TOWARD THE TRIANGLE. AND IF YOU REMEMBER, WE'RE COMING OUT OF A RECESSION. AT THE TIME, MONEY WAS NOT FLUSH, BUT THE FOCUS THEN BECAME ON REDIRECTING THE TRIANGLE PARCEL. AND WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE? AND IS THAT GOING TO BE A HOTEL OR IS IT GOING TO BE A HOTEL CONDOMINIUM, OR IS IT GOING TO BE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, OR WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE? AND IT ULTIMATELY ENDED UP BEING THE AZUL APARTMENTS, BUT IT TOOK UP A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME IN PUBLIC WORKSHOPS AND OUTREACH AND PEOPLE GIVING FEEDBACK ON IT. AND AT THE SAME TIME, A NEW COMPANY CALLED ALL ABOARD FLORIDA ANNOUNCED THAT THEY WOULD BE HAVING 30 TRAINS A DAY COMING THROUGH, AND THERE WAS ALL SORTS OF INFORMATION COMING BACK AND FORTH AND WHAT THAT MEANT OR WAS GOING TO MEAN AND WHERE WAS THAT GOING AND NOT GOING. AND SO THE CITY HALL SITE JUST KIND OF FELL A LITTLE BIT TO THE SIDE AND DIDN'T GET MUCH DISCUSSION IN 14 AND 15, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT ONE. SO IN 2016, A NEW DESIGN WAS PRESENTED BY MAIN STREET. AND THE DISCUSSION KIND OF CAME BACK TO LIFE. IT WAS NOW MULLIGAN'S BY THIS POINT, AND THE IDEA WAS, AND THIS IS NOT MIKE MCCARTY'S, THIS WAS DONE BY PAUL HOUSTON, BUT THIS DESIGN WAS OSCEOLA STREET HERE, EXTENDING OSCEOLA STREET, DESIGNING AND BUILDING MORE PARKING. THIS WAS CITY HALL SITE RIGHT THERE, MAKING IT GREEN PARKING LOT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO A TRAFFIC CIRCLE HERE, AND THEN PUTTING CITY HALL IN THE FLAGLER CENTER DOWN HERE FOR ECONOMIC PURPOSES, EXTENDING DOWNTOWN BY ADDING TWO LARGE THREE STORY BUILDINGS THAT WOULD LITERALLY BE THE EQUIVALENT OF ABOUT HALF A BLOCK OF DOWNTOWN, WHICH ISN'T CRAZY, EXCEPT THAT IT'S THREE STORY, YOU KNOW, JUST MY PERSPECTIVE. SORRY. I THINK IF YOU HAD LIKE TWO STORY THERE, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS THREE, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID, SORT OF CONTINUING THAT THAT FACADE THROUGH THE HEIGHT THING, I THINK THEY SAID YOU GUYS COULD DO WHAT YOU WANT. BUT THE DESIGN WAS THREE STORY MIXED USE IDEA OF FIRST FLOOR WAS TO BE RETAIL, SECOND FLOOR WAS GOING TO BE OFFICE, THIRD FLOOR WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL. THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION AT THAT WORKSHOP TO PUT TWO STOREY ON THIS SIDE SO THAT THE YOU'D HAVE THE SAME FEELING OF BEING DOWNTOWN WITH PEOPLE ON EACH SIDE. AND THEN THESE THE BACK OF THOSE COULD HAVE THE WATER VIEWS OR OUTDOOR PATIO CAFES OR WHATEVER IT WAS. AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF DESIGN AND DISCUSSION ABOUT ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, BUILDING A AN GYM AND A GUY IN HIS JONATHAN AND HIS DEPARTMENT, THEY DESIGNED A FLYOVER KIND OF COMPUTER GENERATED THING OF PUTTING A TRAIN STATION HERE AND HAVING A PEDESTRIAN WALK OVER TO CONNECT OVER THE BRIDGE TO KIND OF RECONNECT IT. BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THE TRAIN STATION WENT THE OTHER WAY. THE WHOLE THEORY BEHIND THE ECONOMICS ON THIS WAS THAT ALL THE STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT DOWNTOWN STUART IS ACTUALLY A VERY SMALL DOWNTOWN. LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT GALENA, ILLINOIS, OR YOU LOOK AT. ORLANDO, WHAT'S A PARK? A WINTER PARK, THEY'RE THEY'RE DOWNTOWNS OR FORT PIERCE, FOR THAT MATTER, ARE PROBABLY 5 OR 6 STREETS. OURS ONLY BEING TWO IS A VERY SHORT DOWNTOWN. THAT'S NOT A HUGE DESTINATION. AS A RESULT, IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY A FULL PARKING GARAGE WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE WILLING TO PAY IN PARKING. GO SPEND THE DAY BECAUSE YOU CAN WALK UP AND DOWN BOTH SIDES IN AN HOUR. AND SO THEY WERE TRYING TO EXTEND IT TO MAKE IT BIGGER. AND THERE WAS ALSO SOME PUSH TO GET FIVE, SIX, ONE SKATEBOARD SHOP AND STUFF LIKE THAT TOWARD THE COURTHOUSE, BECAUSE THEY WERE PUSHING TO ALSO HAVE A KIND OF GO DOWN OSCEOLA AS WELL. THE IDEA EXTENDING DOWNTOWN, MAKING IT BIGGER, HAVING A LARGER AREA

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I'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A MODIFICATION OF THE LAST SLIDE. CAN YOU GO BACK TO IT? THE LAST ONE. LOOK RIGHT HERE. NOW GO AGAIN. THIS HAD AN AUDITORIUM CONCERT HALL THING WITH SHADE STRUCTURES THAT WOULD THEN BE. YOU KNOW, USED FOR ENTERTAINMENT. I THINK THESE SAY 8000 GO BACK AGAIN. THEY DON'T SAY 8000 ON THEM. THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY THAT WAS THE PRIMARY CHANGE. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. GAZEBOS, PERGOLAS. AND THEN THEY ALSO DID LIKE PEDESTRIAN THING WANDERING AROUND THIS AND THEN GO TO THE NEXT ONE. THEY ALSO DID THIS ONE. AND THIS WAS A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL PARKING GARAGE DOWN HERE. AND WHILE THAT SEEMS CRAZY AT THE TIME WHEN THEY DID THE PRESENTATIONS, BECAUSE THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE IS A BIG STRUCTURE AND IS GOING UP THERE, THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE IS ACTUALLY MUCH HIGHER THAN THIS PARKING GARAGE, AND IT JUST KIND OF FADED INTO THE INTO THE BRIDGE, AND IT WOULDN'T BE IMPACTFUL TO ANYTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE, BECAUSE THE BRIDGE IS ALREADY THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY IMPACTFUL TO THIS SIDE BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ON IT. AND THEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING CITY HALL HERE. STILL THE GAZEBO THING HERE. AND AGAIN, THE THREE STORY EXTENSION. AND YOU KNOW, THERE IS A BAZILLION PARKING SPACES IN THIS DESIGN. EVERYBODY GETS THEIR OWN. THEY WERE ALL PRESENTATIONS. THERE WAS NO VOTE ON THEM. THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ON THEM. THE STUART NEWS ALSO HAD ITS EDITORIAL BOARD DO A DESIGN AND DRAW ONE AS WELL. THERE WAS ALSO A COUPLE OF DESIGNS WHERE THEY WANTED TWO DESIGNS, HAD A HOTEL WITH IT ACTUALLY OVER FLAGLER, SO CARS WOULD DRIVE UNDER IT, GO DOWN AND THEN TOOK THIS AWAY SO THAT THIS WAS ALL GREEN SPACE. AGAIN, NONE OF THEM WERE ACTUALLY OFFERS FROM A DEVELOPER THAT WAS SAYING, I WANT TO DO THIS. THEY WERE ALL PRODUCTS OF PUBLIC WORKSHOPS AND THE COMMUNITY SAYING, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO SEE. NOT, YOU KNOW, PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS AND THIS STUFF GETS EXPENSIVE FAST. AND SO IT DIDN'T SLIDE IN 2019, THE DISCUSSION CONTINUED BUT NEVER REALLY WENT ANYWHERE. BUT THE WELLS FARGO BECAME AVAILABLE. SO THE CITY COMMISSION STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT AGAIN AND HELD PUBLIC WORKSHOPS, HELD THE, YOU KNOW, THE SAME MEETINGS. AND WE HEARD THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE ONE ABOUT THE OVER THE STREET HAPPENED. AND AFTER MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WORKSHOPS, THE PUBLIC HAS PRETTY MUCH UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED THE IDEA OF CITY HALL OR THE STAFF MOVING TO ANOTHER LOCATION, CREATING MORE PARKING FOR DOWNTOWN. BECAUSE EVERY DAY, THINK ABOUT HOW MANY STAFF PEOPLE COME HERE AND PARK AND ALL THOSE PARKING SPACES GET USURPED. SO DOWNTOWN IS ALWAYS SUPPORTED. US MOVING STAFF. IN 2019, THE DISCUSSION WAS OKAY, THE CITY IS GOING TO SPEND $7 MILLION TO BUY WELLS FARGO, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO DO IT. IT'S GOING TO USE THE REVENUE FROM REDEVELOPING THIS SITE TO PAY ITSELF BACK. AND THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE VOTE WAS. BUT THE TIMING WASN'T SO GOOD BECAUSE WELLS FARGO ITSELF, THE BANK HAD 20 YEARS OF LEASES LEFT, AND THEN YOU HAD THE CANCER CENTER. BUT AT THE TIME IN 2019, WELLS FARGO WAS VOCALLY SAYING THEY WOULD GLADLY MOVE AND THEY WERE WILLING TO MOVE TO A NEW LOCATION AND THEY'D LIKE AN OUT PARCEL SITE. AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT PUTTING THEM ON EAST OCEAN. THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT PUTTING THEM NEXT TO PUBLIX, AND THEN THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT PUTTING THEM IN FRONT OF ACE HARDWARE AND SOME OTHER PLACES. BUT THEN BY ABOUT 2021, AND OF COURSE, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, IN 2020, COVID HITS AND ALL BETS ARE OFF. BUT IN 2021, WELLS FARGO SAYS, WELL, WE HAVE TEN YEARS LEFT ON THE LEASE AND WE WILL NOT SIGN ANY LEASES LONGER THAN TEN YEARS WITH ANY OUT PARCEL SITE. AND IT CAN'T BE FOR ANY MORE THAN WE ARE ACTUALLY PAYING. STEWART. SO THE NET OR THE GROSS ON THAT WAS ABOUT 1.7 OR $1.8 MILLION. AND TO BUILD THEM AN OUT PARCEL IS ABOUT $3 MILLION. SO ALL THE DEVELOPERS NEEDED THEM TO SIGN LONGER THAN TEN, MAYBE A 20 YEAR LEASE. THEY WOULD ONLY SIGN TEN. WELLS FARGO DIES. IT'S NOT MOVING OR GOING ANYWHERE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'D ALWAYS KNOWN THAT THE CANCER CENTER HAD

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WELLS FARGO IS STILL GOING TO STAY AS LONG AS IT CAN, BUT WE CAN NOW BUILD THE CANCER CENTER INTO A CHAMBERS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A BETTER DESIGN FOR A LOT OF REASONS. BUT SECURITY AND ACCESS AND PUBLIC ACCESS AND PUBLIC USE IS JUST WAY BETTER. SO MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION. NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS THE WELLS FARGO SITE. THIS WAS WHAT WAS PURCHASED. THIS WAS ALSO PURCHASED BY THE CRA. AND THEN WHAT'S A WHAT'S A BIG ROLE IN THIS SITE RIGHT NOW IS WHEN I SAY THE CANCER CENTER, THIS BUILDING IS THE CANCER CENTER.

AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE GLASS HALLWAY RIGHT HERE THAT CONNECTS IT TO WELLS FARGO BUILDING. THIS BUILDING IS THREE STORIES. THIS BUILDING IS TWO STORIES, BUT IT'S REALLY ONE STORY. IT'S JUST TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT. AND WELLS FARGO, THE BUSINESS MODEL FOR RUNNING A BANK HAS CHANGED. YOU CAN'T HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH UNLESS YOU HAVE AT LEAST TWO EMPLOYEES IN IT FOR SECURITY REASONS OR WHATEVER. SO IN ORDER FOR THEM TO OPERATE THIS DRIVE THROUGH, THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE TWO EMPLOYEES IN A SECURITY GUARD IN HERE AND TWO EMPLOYEES IN A SECURITY GUARD OUT HERE. SO THE COST OF OPERATION OF THAT HAS MADE IT NOT WORTH IT. SO THEY SIMPLY DO NOT USE THAT AT ALL. AND THEY ARE USING THEIR OFFICE SPACE INSIDE. NONETHELESS, THEY PAY THE RENT.

IT'S THEIR SPACE. IF IN FACT, WE START TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, I'M GOING TO TRY AND GO IN AND RENEGOTIATE WITH THEM TO CHANGE THEIR LEASE UP TO GIVE US ACCESS TO THIS, BECAUSE WE COULD BUILD PARKING OR DO WHATEVER THERE AND CHANGE THAT UP. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. IN JUNE OF 22, THERE WAS A STRATEGIC PLAN DISCUSSION FOR GOALS TO FOR BUILDING COMMUNITY AS A DESIRED DESTINATION. THEY WANTED TO BE AS A DESIRED DESTINATION WITH A NEW GREAT PLACES THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD PRIDE AND IDENTITY, BY ATTRACTING PEOPLE THROUGH A BUSINESS FRIENDLY ENTREPRENEURIAL ENVIRONMENT AND LIFESTYLE ENRICHED BY CULTURAL, ARTS, SPORTS, RECREATION, EDUCATION, SPECIAL EVENTS AND CELEBRATIONS THROUGH ATTRACTIVE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ENHANCE URBAN AND NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. AND IN THAT 24 STRATEGIC PLAN, THEY UPDATED THE 2013 STRATEGIC PLAN, BOTH OF WHICH DISCUSSED MOVING THE STAFF FROM CITY HALL TO A NEW LOCATION AND DOING SOMETHING WITH THE CITY HALL SITE FOR THE NEXT SLIDE. DURING THE 2013 WORKSHOP, THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED RELOCATING CITY HALL AND REDEVELOPMENT OF LOCATION MANNER, WHICH WOULD BE CONTRIBUTORY TO DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES, AND THE 24TH STRATEGIC PLAN WORKSHOP COMMISSION CONTINUED WITH THE VISION FOR RELOCATING CITY HALL AND HOLDING PUBLIC HEARINGS TO DESIGN A PROJECT ON THE CITY HALL SITE THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE DOWNTOWN AND PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT. AND THEN THESE. THIS IS THE PLAN BOOK THAT HAVE THE PAGES OF WHAT THE DIFFERENT STUFF IS IN IT. BUT IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE CITY HALL SITE. HOWEVER, IRONICALLY, IN 13 AND 23 OR 22, THIS RELOCATION OF CITY HALL SEEMED TO BE A CONTINUING THEME AND REDEVELOPING THE SITE. THIS CONTINUING THEME NEXT SLIDE. IN JUNE OF 23, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR PROVIDED A BRIEF EXPLANATION OF EXPENSES AND TENANTS IN THE BUILDING. THERE WERE EIGHT YEARS LEFT ON THE NOTE. STAFF RECOMMENDED THE CITY COULD HIRE A PLANNER TO PREPARE DESIGN, BUT REGARDLESS OF USE, THE BEST PRACTICE WOULD BE A PUBLIC REFERENDUM, EVEN IF IT WAS A PARK. WHICH I THINK AT THE END. BUT GO TO THE NEXT ONE. SO THROUGHOUT THESE WORKSHOPS AND PRESENTATIONS AND ALL THIS STUFF, THE WHEN WE HIRED CONSULTANTS OR WHEN WE WORKED WITH MAIN STREET OR WHEN WE DID IT OURSELVES, WE CAME THROUGH THESE PHASES OF STAGE ONE. STAGE TWO. STAGE THREE AND STAGE FOUR ONE. RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS. WHAT ARE OUR TIME FRAMES? EXPERTS CONTACT PEOPLE. WHAT ARE THE NEEDS OF CITY HALL? WHAT'S THE SCOPE OF THE RFP, WHAT'S THE FEASIBILITY, ETC. ONE DESIGN CONSULT, RFP AND SELECTION THE FEASIBILITY AND PUT TOGETHER THE PROPOSAL. THE NEXT ONE IS STAGE THREE DEVELOPMENT, PUBLIC MEETINGS AND OUTREACH. AND THEN FOUR IS IMPLEMENTATION AND ULTIMATELY REFERENDUM TO DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT'S DECIDED TO DO RIGHT NOW. FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING BY WAY OF

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OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T TALK ABOUT IT, HAVE OUR IDEAS, BRAINSTORM, THEN THERE SHOULD BE SO MORE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC. SO WE HAVE WHEN WE GO TO DESIGN WE HAVE A WE HAVE A AUGUST ELECTION CYCLE. WE COULD. WHEN DOES THAT. THERE'S NO OTHER THIS THIS AUGUST. WE DON'T THERE'S NO ELECTION RIGHT HERE. SO IT'S A YEAR FROM NOW. RIGHT. SO I THINK IT IS NOVEMBER I THINK NOVEMBER.

WELL AUGUST WHATEVER IT IS. BUT I THINK APRIL IS AUGUST. SO WE GOT PLENTY OF TIME TO, TO GET IT. BUT I CAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT IN BY APRIL OR I THINK IT'S APRIL I THINK APRIL I VOTE IN NOVEMBER. TRUE. BUT THE I CAN IT DEPENDS ON IF YOU WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT ME TO BRING BACK. DO

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IT WASN'T THE STRATEGIC PLANNING. THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS A DIFFERENT ONE. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WORKSHOPS THAT WERE DONE WHERE THEY HAD THE. BUT THE THREE WORKSHOPS FOR THE DESIGN OF THE CITY HALL SITE WAS REALLY DONE THROUGH STUART MAIN STREET. A LOT OF THAT STUFF, IF YOU TALK TO HER, I MEAN, I CAN AND I CAN GET THAT STUFF. I'M HAPPY TO DO A WORKSHOP. THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT IT IN AUGUST? BECAUSE I'M HAPPY TO PUT IT TOGETHER IN AUGUST OR DO YOU WANT IT LATER? WHAT DO YOU THINK IS AN APPROPRIATE TIMELINE? I'D RATHER WAIT IN THE FALL WHEN MORE PEOPLE, THE PUBLIC, IS BACK IN TOWN. DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME TO HAVE A DESIGN, HAVE SOMETHING DESIGNED THAT COULD BE PUT ON A REFERENDUM FOR PEOPLE TO SEE? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DESIGN. YOU WANT A HOTEL? WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING IN THOSE WORKSHOPS, RIGHT. SO, SO. I, I DON'T KNOW IF IN FACT IF YOU. SO IF WE WERE GOING TO DO LIKE THEY DISCUSSED BACK THEN, THE DISCUSSION BACK THEN WAS TO LITERALLY FINISH THE DESIGN AND NOT DO ANY ROUGH SCALE STUFF. BUT WHEN IT WENT TO REFERENDUM TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE PUBLIC THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE 88 ROOMS, IT'S GOING TO HAVE A BALLROOM THAT HOLDS EXACTLY THIS NUMBER OF PEOPLE. IT'S GOING TO HAVE THIS MANY PARKING SPACES. IT'S GOING TO BE EXACTLY 38FT TALL. IT'S I MEAN, LIKE AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY DID THE PERCENTAGES OF GREEN SPACE THEY WERE MEASURING. LITERALLY, IT'S GOING TO HAVE THIS MUCH GREEN SPACE. IT'S GOING TO BE THIS WIDE. AND WAS IT AN UP OR DOWN. SO WAS AN UP OR DOWN VOTE ON THAT. VERY SPECIFIC. IT NEVER WENT TO REFERENDUM. SO THAT NEVER HAPPENED. BUT THE DISCUSSION WAS TO ULTIMATELY GO TO REFERENDUM ON SHOULD WE DO A VERY SPECIFIC PROJECT AND ASK THEM TO VOTE ON IT, OR SHOULD WE DO A THEORY? AND IF IT'S A THEORY, CONCEPT OR CONCEPT, THEN YEAH, WE'LL ABSOLUTELY HAVE ENOUGH TIME. BUT IF IT'S A SPECIFIC FINISHED DESIGN, THEN NO, WE WON'T, BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT MORE TIME INVOLVED AND A LOT MORE STUFF. BUT MY THEORY ON IT IS WE COULD START AND IF WE START LIKE, YOU KNOW, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER AND I PUT TOGETHER SOME KIND OF WORKSHOP FOR US AND WE START HOLDING THE MEETINGS AND WE'LL PULL AND I'LL HAVE MARY PULL ALL THE REST OF THE STUFF SO WE CAN PUT TOGETHER EVERYTHING WE HAVE ON CITY HALL.

MCCARTY'S PLAN, STUART NEWS, LUCIDO PLAN, ALL OF THEM. SHOW IT ALL AND THEN SAY, LOOK, THIS IS WHERE WE'VE BEEN. YES. LET'S MAKE A LIST OF WHAT WE DON'T WANT, BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY EASY. I MEAN, I KNOW NOBODY WANTS A GAS STATION. I KNOW NOBODY WANTS CONDOS. I THINK AT THIS POINT IS THE WITH THE HOTELS THAT HAVE COME, YOU KNOW, ARE COMING ONLINE, THE MESH AND RAJAS HOTEL LIKE, DO WE REALLY NEED ANOTHER FOUR STORY HOTEL? I THINK THAT'S OVERKILL. THEY'RE ONE AND TWO STORY EXTENDING OSCEOLA AND THEN LOTS OF GREEN SPACE PARK PERGOLAS. BEAUTIFUL LIKE KIND OF RIGHT. AND TO ME THAT THAT DISCUSSION CAN HAPPEN AT THOSE WORKSHOPS. OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T NEED TO GO DOWN THE PATH OF THE, YOU KNOW, WILD STUFF. AND THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSIONS OF MARINAS OUT THERE, TOO. AND I LIKE BEING ABLE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC DOCKS AND PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO USE THEM AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING BOATS THERE BEHIND IT. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WATER.

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AND I MEAN NOW THAT THAT I'LL HAVE THOSE LEASES ON THE AGENDA ON THE 28TH, THERE'S ACTUALLY IT'S IMMINENT. I MEAN IT'S A REAL DEAL. IT'S LIKE IT'S NOT JUST PIE IN THE SKY. THANK YOU FOR DOING OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. MARTEL? NO. FOR THESE THESE WORKSHOPS, MIKE. DO THEY WORK BETTER AT LUNCHTIME OR LIKE 4:00 AND ON AS FAR AS PARTICIPATION ON THE 28TH, YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE THAT. MY EXPERIENCE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT PEOPLE WORK. AND SO IF YOU WANT ATTENDANCE, IT NEEDS TO BE AFTER FIVE. OKAY, SO IF WE STARTED AT 430, SOMETHING LIKE THAT OKAY. I MEAN AGAIN, BUT YOU GUYS, I MEAN THAT THOSE WORKSHOPS WERE NINE TO NOON. I MEAN THERE'S ALSO WE HAD CHARRETTES ON SATURDAY FROM 9 TO 1 TWO. SO YOU CAN DO IT WHENEVER YOU WANT. YEAH I LIKE HONESTLY SATURDAY YOU GET YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING MORE PEOPLE ARE AVAILABLE, RIGHT. PEOPLE ARE TIRED. AT THE END OF THE DAY WE COULD DO TWO. I MEAN, YEAH, THAT'S POSSIBLE. YOU CAN DO TWO. YEAH. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A SATURDAY, BY THE WAY. AND QUITE FRANKLY, DEPENDING ON HOW WE DO THEM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO HIRE ONE OF THESE GUYS THAT HAVE DONE SOME OF THE DESIGNS, WHETHER IT'S LUCIDO OR HOUSTON OR ONE OF THESE GUYS, AND LITERALLY YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH HISTORY THAT YOU COULD RECAP IT, RIGHT? YEAH, AND I CAN WE'RE NOT INVOLVED IN THAT. NO SENSE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON. BUT A LOT OF WORKSHOPS, IT'S MORE INFORMATION GATHERING THAN IT IS. YOU GUYS HAVING TO MAKE DECISIONS. THE DECISIONS COME AFTER THAT. SO IT WOULDN'T BE MANDATORY FOR EVERY ONE OF YOU TO BE AT TWO WORKSHOPS IF WE HAD TWO. IF AS LONG AS YOU COULD MAKE ONE, YOU COULD ALWAYS REVIEW THE OTHER ONE. OR WE SHOULD EXTEND AN INVITATION TO ANYBODY WHO HAD A PART IN PRODUCING A PLAN. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, SURE, I WANT TO EXPAND AN EXPENSE TO HIRE SOMEONE TO DO IT. I THINK WE NEED A PROFESSIONAL FACILITATOR.

ABSOLUTELY. WELL, RATHER THAN DECIDE THAT TONIGHT, I'LL PUT IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM. I JUST ADDED IT. I'LL ADD IT TOMORROW AT THE STAFF MEETING. WE'LL HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM ON THE 28TH AS IT RELATES TO SCHEDULING THE WORKSHOP YOU GUYS BE THINKING ABOUT DO YOU WANT A FACILITATOR? DO YOU WANT IT DURING THE DAY OR AT NIGHT OR ON THE WEEKEND? AND WHAT APPROACH DO YOU WANT TO DO? THEY HAVE A FACILITATOR FOR THE LAST WORKSHOPS FOR THOSE? YEAH THEY DID. WHO WAS IT? I DON'T REMEMBER IT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. AT THE TOP OF MY HEAD, YEAH, I THINK ONE OF THEM WAS TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE OTHER. OKAY. WHAT DO THESE COST? HONESTLY, I HAVE NO IDEA BECAUSE I'M NOT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HAVING SOMEBODY REWRITE THE CODE. I'M TALKING ABOUT COME FOR 3 OR 4 HOURS. THOUSAND DOLLARS. YOU KNOW IT'S NOT. AND SEEING HOW THE CRA DID SO WELL IN TODAY'S PRESENTATION, THIS IS A CRA LOCATION. SO WE CAN STICK THEM WITH IT. RIGHT. THANK YOU JODY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU GUYS. SEE NO OTHER ITEMS FOR OUR

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