Sep 22, 2025 Community Redevelopment Agency

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THIS MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FOR THE 22ND OF SEPTEMBER 25. TO ORDER.

ROLL CALL, PLEASE. YOU CANNOT HEAR ME. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER

[CALL TO ORDER]

PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. NO. COME. CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL

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WE HAVE A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER BRECHBILL AND A SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER CLERK. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING THE MINUTES? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (Non-Agenda Related) (3 Minutes Max.) ]

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[2. CRA BUDGET AND CIP FOR FY 2026 (RC): RESOLUTION No. 06-2025 CRA; A RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY (CRA) OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA ADOPTING THE CRA BUDGET OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, FOR FISCAL YEAR (FY) BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2025, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2026, AND APPROPRIATING CAPITAL BUDGET FOR FY 2026 AND PROVIDING FOR A FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR PROJECTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARIES; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. ]

OKAY. SO THIS IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 06-2025 CRA A RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, ADOPTING THE CRA BUDGET OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, FOR FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2025 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026. AND APPROPRIATING CAPITAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 AND PROVIDING FOR A FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR PROJECTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARIES, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. IS THERE ANY PRESENTATION BY STAFF ON THIS ITEM? YES, I'LL GIVE THE PRESENTATION. GANDHI. GANDHI.

THIS CRA DIRECTOR. FOR THE RECORD, EVERY YEAR CRA IS REQUIRED TO PRESENT ITS ANNUAL BUDGET TO THE CRA BOARD FOR APPROVAL BY RESOLUTION TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW. HERE IS A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE TIF REVENUE. THIS IS ORIGINAL. BASE VALUE IS $299 MILLION, AND THE CURRENT TAXABLE VALUE FOR THE CITY IS NINE OH. FOR THE CRA IS 940 MILLION. SO THEY GET. THIS GIVES US ABOUT $641 MILLION IN INCREMENT VALUE. SO THAT MEANS THE PAYMENT TO THE CRA FROM THE GENERAL FUND WITH THE TWO POINT, WITH THE 4.9 MILLAGE IS $2.9 MILLION, AND THE COUNTY PAYMENT TO THE CRA IS ABOUT $4 MILLION, FOR A TOTAL TIF REVENUE OF 6.9 MILLION TO THE CRA TRUST FUND.

HERE'S A CHART THAT SHOWS THE BREAKDOWN OF CRA REVENUES FROM ALL SOURCES. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE COUNTY'S TIF CONTRIBUTION IS ABOUT $4 MILLION. THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION FROM THE GENERAL FUND IS ABOUT 2.9 MILLION. AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE SOURCES COME FROM 12.9 MILLION IS FROM GRANTS, $35,000 IN INTEREST REVENUE, 2700 FROM THE WAYFINDING SIGN PROGRAMS, AND THEN 488,000 FROM THE CRA FUND. BALANCE TO BALANCE THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. SO ALTOGETHER, THIS RESULTS IN A TOTAL REVENUE CRA REVENUE OF 20.5 MILLION FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2026. I HAD NO IDEA WE WERE GETTING MONEY FROM MARIN COUNTY, CALIFORNIA. IF YOU GO BACK. MARTIN. OH, SORRY. THAT'S A TYPO. SO THIS SHOWS THE APPROPRIATION BY CATEGORY.

TOTAL OF 20.5 MILLION IS BUDGETED IN VARIOUS CATEGORIES, INCLUDING OPERATING EXPENSES AND THEN PERSONAL SERVICES, WHICH INCLUDES SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR THE CRA STAFF, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR PLANNING AND DESIGN, FOR PROJECTS THAT THE CRA IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON, GRANTS FOR INCENTIVE PROGRAMS SUCH AS THE BURP AND MURAL MATCHING GRANT. AS YOU CAN SEE, THOSE ARE ALL SMALL PERCENTAGES, AND WE ALSO HAVE OTHER USES SUCH AS TRAM SERVICE, FEC LEASES, AND VARIOUS DOWNTOWN MAINTENANCE PROJECTS. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT 88% OF OUR BUDGET IS DEDICATED TO INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR BUDGETING AND APPROPRIATING TIF FUNDS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS,

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DOWNTOWN UNDERGROUNDING, UNDERGROUNDING, WHICH IS ALSO UNDERWAY. BUT WE DO HAVE SOME UNEXPENDED FUNDS THAT ARE REMAINING FOR UTILITY FEES, SUCH AS AT&T AND COMCAST THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PAID YET. SO THERE'S A REMAINING BALANCE THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE 2026 BUDGET AND CIP RIVERSIDE PARK IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. AGAIN, AT THE LAST MEETING, I HAD MENTIONED THAT PROJECT IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED, BUT THERE IS A SMALL BALANCE REMAINING IN FISCAL YEAR 2026 TO COVER THE CLOSEOUT COST PROJECT LIFT. THAT PROJECT IS UNDERWAY WITH DEMOLITION IS SCHEDULED FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER. AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME OUTSTANDING BUILDING PERMIT FEES AND CONTINGENCY COSTS THAT ARE BUDGETED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026.

CIP DRAINAGE AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT IS BUDGETED AT $4 MILLION. WE HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING LAST WEEK AND WE'LL BE PRESENTING THE DESIGN TO THE BOARD IN OCTOBER, BUT WE DID BUDGET 4 MILLION FOR THAT PROJECT. TREE CANOPY PROGRAM WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY IS BUDGETED $150,000. THIS PROJECT WILL INCLUDE EVALUATING THE EXISTING CANOPY COVERAGE WITHIN THE CRA WILL IDENTIFY AREAS WHERE ADDITIONAL PLANTING IS REQUIRED. WE'LL DEVELOP A CRA WIDE INFILL MASTER PLAN WITH PREFERRED TREE SPECIES LIST THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD. WE'LL PRIORITIZE THE AREAS AND PHASE OUT INFILL IMPLEMENTATION, AND THEN WE'LL PREPARE SITE SPECIFIC INFILL PLANS. WE NEED TO LOOK AT. IF THERE ARE ANY CONFLICTS WITH UTILITIES, DRAIN INLETS, STREET LIGHTS, DRAINAGE AND AVAILABLE SPACE. PREPARE BID PACKAGE ADVERTISING, AWARD CONTRACTS. SO THAT'S THE WHOLE PROGRAM THAT WILL WILL UNDERTAKE IN FISCAL YEAR 2026. AND HERE ARE THE OTHER PROJECTS INCLUDED IN THE CIP THAT ARE PROJECTED TO BE IMPLEMENTED STARTING IN 2027. THAT INCLUDES THE DIXIE HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, MLK STREETSCAPE, BAYVIEW PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, ANY OTHER STREETSCAPE PROJECTS IN THE TRIANGLE DISTRICT, EAST STEWART NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT DOING THE 10TH STREET COMMUNITY CENTER REHAB PROJECT IN 2028 AND ANY OTHER STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS ON 10TH STREET. SO THAT KIND OF SUMMARIZES OUR FIVE YEAR CIP TODAY. STAFF IS REQUESTING TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER ZERO SIX. DASH 2025 2025, ADOPTING THE CRA BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF MISS GANDY? THE COMMISSION? HOW'S THE HAIRS PROGRAM DOING? NO. WE ARE WE'RE WORKING WITH ONE OF THE APPLICANT, BUT WE'RE WE'VE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND THAT'S KIND OF DELAYING THE PROCESS. SO WE DO HAVE ONE APPLICATION THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. AND THEN I KNOW VICE MAYOR COLLINS MIGHT KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS. I SEE A BUNCH OF COMPLETE STREETSCAPES IN HERE. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT COMPLETE STREETSCAPES AND ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS NOT WANTING TO DO THEM IN NEIGHBORHOODS WITHOUT, I BELIEVE, GETTING THEIR APPROVAL. OR YOU SAID SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, YOU MIGHT KNOW MORE. JUST REMEMBER YOU MENTIONING IT. PARTICULARLY WHEN WE WERE BACK OVER OFF FIFTH STREET IN WHITMAN. IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A LOT. A LOT OF PLANNING WENT INTO IT. BUT THEN WHEN WE ENDED UP HAVING THAT MEETING, THE RESIDENTS WERE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF SIDEWALKS, COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHO SIDE OF THE ROAD THE SIDEWALKS WOULD GO ON AND GOTCHA. OKAY, WELL, WE HAD A REALLY SUCCESSFUL MEETING LAST WEEK, SO WE HOPE TO GET YOUR SUPPORT WHEN WE PRESENT THE PROJECT NEXT MONTH. AND THEN I HAD ONE MORE PANEL. THERE WAS A LINE ITEM FOR 300,000, I BELIEVE. IT'S LIKE A REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH AVONLEA AND ATLANTIC POINT. MARINA AND ELIZABETH. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS FOR, LIKE MAYBE SOME BACKSTORY ON IT. YES, THAT'S OUR READER PROGRAM, REAL ESTATE ACCELERATOR PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE INITIATED BACK IN 2018, 2019, WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT AT THAT TIME BECAUSE THERE WAS SHORTAGE OF HOUSING. SO THAT WAS WE HAD AN IT WAS LIKE AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPERS TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE SHORTAGE, SHORTAGE IN HOUSING OR BUT ALSO THERE WAS PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT THEY WOULD

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YEAH. I'D LIKE TO TELL THE CITY THE RITA PROGRAM WAS, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, UP TO 30% OF THE. TIF MONEY GENERATED FROM THE PROJECT FOR UP TO FIVE YEARS. AND SO IT WAS A FLUCTUATING AMOUNT DEPENDING ON WHICH PROJECTS IT IT WAS. BUT IF YOU TAKE THE THE ATLANTIC OR WHATEVER THE NAME OF IT IS NORTH OF THE BRIDGE, IT ALREADY HAD A BASE VALUE BASED UPON WHATEVER THE EVINRUDE PROPERTY WAS OR WHATEVER WAS THERE BEFORE. SO THE THE TIF MARGIN THAT CAME INTO PLACE WOULD BE THE CALCULATE THE USE FOR THE CALCULATION, AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 30% OF THAT GENERATED. SO AT THE TIME THE COMMISSION ADOPTED IT, THE THEORY WAS THAT THE ONLY MONEY THAT WAS GETTING REIMBURSED WAS NEW MONEY THAT WAS GENERATED FROM THE JOB, AND THAT EFFECTIVELY, THE CITY WAS GOING TO GET 70% OF THE NEW MONEY, AND THE PROJECT WAS GOING TO GET 30% OF THE NEW MONEY. AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY WERE USING THAT TO HELP GET FINANCING, BECAUSE AT THE TIME THAT THIS PROGRAM WAS DESIGNED, THERE WAS SOME DIFFICULTIES WITH BANKS AND FINANCING BECAUSE OF THE RECESSION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM WERE ANYTHING CLOSE TO $1 MILLION, BECAUSE THEY JUST THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO PAY $3 MILLION A YEAR IN AD VALOREM TAXES. SO A $50 MILLION ASSESSMENT, LIKE FOR A BUILDING LIKE THE THE INDIGO APARTMENT BUILDINGS AT THE FOOT OF THE INDIAN STREET BRIDGE, THEIR ASSESSED VALUE IS $50 MILLION. THEY PAY $1 MILLION A YEAR IN TAXES, BUT THE MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR THEY PAY IN TAXES, ONLY 250,000 OF THAT GOES TO THE CITY OF STUART, BECAUSE THAT INCLUDES THE COUNTY TAXES, FINE TAXES, SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT, THE SCHOOL BOARD AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF. SO IN THAT THING AT A $50 MILLION VALUATION, IF IT IF IT STARTED AT ZERO BEFORE THAT, 250,000, 30% WOULD BE ABOUT $80,000, AND THEN TIMES FIVE YEARS WOULD BE A TOTAL OF $400,000. AND THAT'S ASSUMING THAT NINE ACRE PROPERTY HAD A ZERO VALUE BEFORE IT STARTED. OKAY. SO IF IF WE'RE TALKING LET'S SAY ATLANTIC POINT, I THINK IT'S A 75 MILLION, $80 MILLION PROJECT WHEN IT'S DONE.

I BELIEVE FROM THE NUMBERS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, AND IT HAD A STARTING ASSESSED VALUE, WHICH I THINK WAS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY UNDER A MILLION BUCKS, BUT AND SO IN THAT SCENARIO, IF IT WAS $70 MILLION, THEY'RE GOING TO GET VALUE, RIGHT. THE MILLAGE RATE BEING FIVE MILLS BEING THE TOTAL AMOUNT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOING TO END UP BELOW THAT. BUT SAYING THAT'S IT, THAT WOULD BE $350,000 A YEAR. SO THAT'S 105 YEARS, $112,500 WOULD BE 30% OF THAT. WOULD YOU BE THE TIFF AND THEN TIMES FIVE WOULD BE A TOTAL OF $612,000. ASSUMING THAT THAT WAS THE MATH, WHEN THEY PRESENT TO THE BOARD AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A $70

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AND QUITE OFTEN THEIR PRESENTATION DOESN'T. THEIR ASSESSED VALUE DOESN'T COME ANYWHERE NEAR. LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN A ZUL PRESENTED TO THE BOARD, THEY WERE GOING TO BE WORTH 15 TO $20 MILLION WHEN THEY OPENED AND THE PROPERTY APPRAISER ASSESSED THEM AT EIGHT. SO IT DOESN'T ALWAYS END UP AT THOSE NUMBERS. BUT IN YOUR SCENARIO, IF IN FACT, THE CITY WAS PAYING OUT $1 MILLION TO SOMEBODY BECAUSE THAT VALUATION WAS THAT WAY, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE CITY WAS RECEIVING. IN ADDITION TO THAT, TWO MORE MILLION DOLLARS, BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY PAYING 30% OF THE NEW MONEY OUT. AND SO IF 30% IS A MILLION, YOU KNOW, AT 33% OF 1,000,066 BEING THE BALANCE WOULD BE 2 MILLION MORE TO THE CITY. SO THE BENEFIT TO THE CITY WOULD HAVE BEEN DOUBLE. OKAY, A COUPLE, TWO QUICK OTHER QUESTIONS. THAT PROGRAM IS GONE NOW. RIGHT. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. IT'S NOT AVAILABLE. IT'S OUT OF HERE. IT'S NEVER BEEN RESCINDED. I SUPPOSE SOMEBODY COULD COME IN AND AND FILE FOR IT. BUT THE CITY COMMISSION HAS TO OR THE CRA, I MEAN WOULD HAVE TO FIND THE CERTAIN CRITERIAS AND THE BENEFIT AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER MARKETED IT OR PUSHED IT OR SUGGESTED THAT ANYBODY WAS INTERESTED IN DOING IT. OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION PANEL, WE HAVE THE BUDGET WAS 20 MILLION, 22 MILLION ROUGHLY. AND WE'VE GOT WE HAD A, A BASE LEVEL OF 300 MILLION, WHICH IS WHEN THE WHEN THE ORIGINAL CRA WAS FORMED. RIGHT. SO WE'RE KEEPING THE INCREMENTAL REVENUE FROM THE TAXES ABOVE THAT 300 MILLION. CORRECT? CORRECT. SO, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE FUNDING THE CITY'S ONLY FUNDING, 3 MILLION OF THAT, 22 MILLION, THAT $20 MILLION BUDGET. RIGHT. BECAUSE MARTIN COUNTY'S FUNDING ANOTHER 4 MILLION. AND THEN THE REST IS COMING FROM PREVIOUS, I ASSUME, FROM PREVIOUS FUNDS AND PREVIOUS RESERVES. RIGHT. SO THE TOTAL TIF REVENUE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, 6.9 MILLION, 4 MILLION COMING FROM THE COUNTY AND 2.9 COMING FROM THE CITY.

NOW, IN ORDER FOR ME TO BALANCE THE BUDGET THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF ALL THE PROJECTS WE'RE UNDERTAKING, I DID HAVE TO TAKE SOME MONEY FROM FUND BALANCE. THAT WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO, THE $488,000 FROM THE FUND BALANCE IN ORDER TO BALANCE THE BUDGET THIS YEAR. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. OKAY, SO SO BASICALLY WHAT MAKES UP BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT HERE. YEAH. WHAT WHAT MAKES UP THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TOTAL. SO THE THE BIG YELLOW. WHAT'S THAT. THAT'S THE GRANTS OKAY. SO THAT'S THE POINT. SO SO THERE WE'VE GOT WE GOT. YEAH. SO WE GOT FOUR. WE GOT THREE FOR THE CITY BECAUSE OF THE CRA.

BASICALLY THE COUNTY IS FUNDING MORE THAN THE CITY IS FOR OUR CRA, WHICH IS A GOOD THING FOR US. AND THEN THE GRANTS ARE MONEY THAT WE'VE GOT. NOW ARE THOSE MATCHING GRANTS OR ARE THEY JUST GRANTS OR A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH? IN SOME CASES WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A MATCH, BUT A SMALL AMOUNT. BUT THAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF GRANTS BECAUSE THESE ARE REIMBURSEMENT GRANTS.

I HAVE TO BUDGET FOR THAT UP FRONT OKAY OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

THAT'S ALL UP. AND I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU, SINCE YOU WERE OVER IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, DID THEY LIKE ALL THEIR NEW STOP SIGNS THAT, YES, THEY'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE. IT'S QUITE IT'S THERE'S A LOT MORE OVER THERE NOW. BUT THEY WANT IT. THEY WANT US TO KEEP IT. SO YEAH. YOU NEED TO COME OVER INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO. SO THAT WAS WELL GOOD. I'M GLAD THEY BECAUSE IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE HOW YOU MOVE THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, MR. CHAIRMAN.

YES. BOARD MEMBER. CLARK. RESOLUTION 062025. I MOVE APPROVAL AS PRESENTED. OKAY.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER CLARK AND A SECOND BY THE VICE MAYOR. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON RESOLUTION 06-2025? I DO NOT HAVE ANY. SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL PLEASE.

BOARD MEMBER CLARK HERE. BOARD MEMBER GIOBBI. YES. BOARD MEMBER. REED. YES. BOARD MEMBER.

BROOKVILLE. YES. CHAIR. RICH. YES. VICE CHAIR. COLLINS. YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. THE VICE MAYOR HAS COURTEOUSLY INDICATED THAT I FORGOT TO ASK IF THERE ARE COMMENTS BY THE BOARD MEMBERS. SO I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO SEE IF. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS BY THE BOARD MEMBERS? COMMISSIONER REESE OKAY, I THOUGHT YOU DID. REGARDING AGENDA ITEM THREE, THE CDBG HOUSING REHABILITATION GRANT PROGRAM. I'M HOPING WE CAN ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THAT. WE HAVE, WHAT, 45 MINUTES? CAN IT CARRY ON PAST THAT IF IT HAS TO? OR IS THAT UP TO THE CHAIR? THE

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CLARK. NO, MR. VICE MAYOR, I WOULD JUST SAY WITH REGARD TO THAT ITEM, I HOPE THAT WE CAN JUST BE PRODUCTIVE AND FOCUS ON SOLVING PROBLEMS AND NOT THROWING MUD, ARGUING, MAKING ACCUSATIONS. WHERE WE AT RIGHT NOW AND HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED? SO I, I PERSONALLY AM NOT GOING TO ENTERTAIN ANY SORT OF NONSENSE THAT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE. AND I HOPE IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD TO DO THE SAME. AND I'M NOT SAYING ANY PARTICULAR PARTY MIGHT BE THE CASE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE ARGUING. IT'S JUST WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO FIX THIS PROBLEM? AND HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TIME THAT WE HAVE IS IS MY GOAL. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER. THANKS. OKAY, OKAY. SO LET'S

[3. CDBG HOUSING REHABILITATION GRANT PROGRAM ]

ALL GOOD. HAMILTON. SOUTHWEST, 311 FOURTH STREET, STUART, FLORIDA. WHERE I GO WITH MY LITTLE THING HERE. FLASH DRIVE. FOR A PRESENTATION. SO YOU HAVE A VIDEO PRESENTATION. ARE WE PREPARED TO ASSIST HER WITH THIS. YES. YES. YEAH I THOUGHT THAT I HAVE THE VIDEO. NO NO NO NOT THIS ONE. THIS. I THINK YOU SAY OPEN DOCUMENT. NO. I HAVE NOTHING OKAY. YEAH. NO. CAN I SEE JUST. RIGHT. YEAH. LET ME JUST OPEN IT FOR YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHICH ONE IS IT? WHICH ONE IS IT? MAYBE. THANK YOU. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. AND FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR HISTORICAL BUILDING, THE THE 1895 CHURCH OF STUART IS.

ROBERT. AND WE CALL OUR BUILDING. AND ALICE LOCKHART LOVED THAT NAME FOR THAT OUR HISTORICAL BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A COMPASS. EVERYTHING. OUR BUILDING CONSISTS OF THREE PARTS. I WILL EXPLAIN. CENTRAL PART IS ACTUALLY ORIGINAL 1895 CHURCH OF STUART METHODIST, BUILT IN 1895, FEATURING THE. ORIGINAL STATS AND ALL BEING. AND THEN IN 1930, SAINT MARY'S MADE ADDITIONS AND THAT BUILDING BECAME THE FIRST SAINT MARY'S CHURCH. BUT I WILL PLAY ALICE LOCKHART ROBERT, AND WE GOT VERY LUCKY TO RECORD HER BEFORE SHE PASSED. OKAY. WE HAD

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BUT JUST THINK OF ALL THE PEOPLE ALONG THE WAY WHO HELPED SAVE THAT CHURCH TOO. IT'S ALONG THIRD STREET NOW. IT'S NOT ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS ANYMORE. THAT WAS MOVED IN 1930 AND IT BECAME FIRST SAINT MARY'S CHURCH WHEN THEY NEEDED A CHURCH. THEY DEVELOPED THAT AFTER 1930. BUT IT IT'S BEEN OTHER THINGS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. HE WAS EVEN UP FOR MARTIN COUNTY, THE PROBATION OFFICE, AT ONE TIME. SO, I MEAN, IT'S HAD MANY PURPOSES SO THAT YOU CAN TELL. YEAH, THAT WAS A CHURCH. IT'S EASY TO TELL BY LOOKING AT IT. AND ONE MORE VIDEO. IT'S JOE MARIE PARADISE. THAT WAS YOUR INTERVIEW WAY BACK IN 2000 AND MAY, WHEN MARTIN COUNTY WAS DOING THEIR FILM REGARDING THE HISTORY OF MARTIN COUNTY, IN CELEBRATION OF THE ANNIVERSARY. AND JOE MARIE PARADISE. SHE IS A FOURTH GENERATION OF. WALTER AND EMMA KITCHEN, WHO DONATED THE LOT FOR ORIGINAL CHURCH. THE SISTERS PARADISE SISTERS WALTER KITCHEN WAS FROM LEEDS, ENGLAND. HE CAME TO THIS COUNTRY IN 1867 AFTER LINCOLN WAS ASSASSINATED.

HIS FATHER WAS A STOCKBROKER IN LONDON, AND THEY HAD AN OFFICE IN NEW YORK CITY, AND HE WAS SENT TO NEW YORK CITY TO HELP MANAGE THAT OFFICE. DIDN'T STAY THERE TOO LONG. HE WAS ADVENTURESOME AND TOOK A WAGON TRAIN OUT WEST AND TAUGHT SCHOOL TO THE INDIANS IN OKLAHOMA FOR A STINT. WENT TO TEXAS FOR A WHILE, AND CAME TO FLORIDA AND BOUGHT PROPERTY FROM A GOVERNMENT MAP IN GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA. IN THIS AREA, HE BOUGHT SEVERAL PARCELS IN MARTIN COUNTY, AND IN 1883 HE CAME DOWN TO SEE WHAT HE HAD PURCHASED. MY GREAT GRANDFATHER WAS QUAKER. MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER WAS METHODIST, VERY PROPER METHODIST LADY. AND WHEN SHE MOVED HERE AND WAS EXPECTING A CHILD, THERE WAS NOT A CHURCH IN THIS AREA. AND SHE TOLD HER HUSBAND, I CANNOT RAISE A CHILD IN THIS AREA IF THERE'S NOT A CHURCH. THEY HAD 15 ACRES IN DOWNTOWN STUART. THEY DONATED A LOT TO BUILD THE FIRST METHODIST CHURCH IN THE AREA, AND THAT CHURCH WAS PURPOSELY PUT ON THAT PARCEL OF LAND, I AM TOLD, BECAUSE IT WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS, AND THEY WANTED THE PEOPLE COMING THROUGH ON THE TRAIN TO SEE THAT WE AT LEAST HAD A CHURCH IN THIS AREA, THAT WE WERE NOT A BARBARIC COMMUNITY. JOSEPHINE KITCHEN, BORN IN 1895 MARCH 10TH, 1895, IN POTSDAM. BORN IN THE HOUSE ON THE RIVER THERE IN THE UPSTAIRS BEDROOM, AS WERE TWO OF HER THREE CHILDREN. SHE WAS AN ONLY CHILD AND. WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS BUILDING AT THE END OF JUNE 2000, 19 AND. THE FIRST THING WE WE DID, WE CLEANED OUR ATTIC AND WE FOUND THE EPISCOPALIAN LANCETS IN THE ATTIC. AND ALICE LOCKHART, SHE TOLD US WHERE WAY BACK THEN, ROBERT AND OLGA, THEY BEHIND

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DAVID PLUMBING DID ALL THE DRAWINGS AND EVERYTHING, AND WE GOT OUR HERE'S OUR BATHROOM DRAWING. THEY DID. SO THEY ARE NOT ANY CONFUSION ABOUT BATHROOM THAT WAS REVIEWED, APPROVED AND WE RECEIVED IT TOOK US A YEAR BECAUSE IT WAS A COVID TIME AND WE RECEIVED OUR HOMESTEAD AND CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. AND PRETTY MUCH ROBERT DESIGNED THE BATHROOM HIMSELF. WE USE. YES, WE USED OUR A LITTLE BIT MODERN SHOWER, BUT OKAY. HERE, THIS. IS THAT'S A LITTLE BIT. BUT WE TRY TO USE SUBWAY TILE AND WE DISCUSSED IT WITH ALICE LOCKHART AND PRETTY MUCH DESIGNED IT CLOSE TO 1930S LIKE IT WAS. IT WAS SAINT MARY'S, SAINT MARY'S. WE APPLIED FOR GRANT AND WE SAW IT ON THE FACEBOOK. IT WAS WAY BACK SOMEWHERE IN 2021, 22 WHEN, WHEN THEY FIRST AIRED ON FACEBOOK WAS. I WILL NOT LOOK FOR THAT AT. AND WHEN WE APPLIED FOR THE GRANT. WE DISCUSSED THE SCOPE OF WORK. AND OF COURSE THE BEST THING WOULD BE TO TO HAVE A NEW ROOF ON OUR BUILDING AND WINDOWS AND SOME INSULATION. BUT WE ALREADY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON INSULATING OUR WALLS, EXCEPT OF THE 1895 SECTION, JUST IN 1940 SECTION WILL BE. WE HAD PRIOR OUR INSPECTION OF OUR HOUSE BEFORE FOR THE SCOPE OF WORK. THEN PRIOR TO AFTER. I THINK THAT SEPTEMBER ON SEPTEMBER. 17 OR SEPTEMBER 17TH, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON OUR BEADBOARD RESTORATION AND INSULATING OUR IN WHOLE WAY, WAY BETWEEN AND SOUNDPROOFING OUR WALLS. THAT'S WHERE WE HAD THE GUARDIAN COMMUNITY RESOURCE MANAGEMENT BRINGING CONTRACTORS FOR REBUILDING. WE RECEIVED THE SCOPE OF WORK SOMEWHERE AFTER AUGUST WHEN THE PAPERWORK WAS COMPLETED AND BIDDING CONTRACTORS WERE BROUGHT. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY SAW THAT WE WERE RESTORING OUR BEADBOARD INSULATING WALLS.

THEN ANOTHER INSPECTION TOOK PLACE ON MARCH 21ST, 2024, WHEN WE SIGNED ALL OUR. ON MARCH 13TH, WE SIGNED ALL OUR CDBG DOCUMENTS, THREE SETS OF EACH FOR GUARDIAN COMMUNITY RESOURCE MANAGEMENT FOR US AND FOR THE CONTRACTOR. AND ON MARCH 21ST, CONTRACTOR CAME AND THEY SAW WE STILL LIKE IN RESTORATION AND EVERYTHING AND WE WERE INSULATING OUR WALLS AND PUTTING PLYWOOD AS A BACKING FOR OUR BEADBOARD. PRETTY MUCH WE SHARED THIS ALL PHOTOGRAPHS AND 900 FILES WITH FLORIDA COMMERCE. AND HERE'S OUR WINDOW. IT STILL SHOWS WHERE WE COVERED IN PLYWOOD AND BY HISTORICAL RULES. SO THE FORM WE USE FORM IT'S ACTUALLY EASILY REMOVABLE

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GUARDIAN COMMUNITY RESOURCE MANAGEMENT INC SENT US EMAIL. IT WAS FROM MARINA. I DON'T REMEMBER HER NAME RIGHT NOW, AND SHE SENT US EMAIL AND ASKED US ABOUT OUR BUILDING NUMBER.

ROBERT AND I KNEW OUR BUILDING WAS REGISTERED WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THAT WAS ORIGINAL OWNERS GAVE US AND XAVIER MILLERS, AND THAT'S ONLY DOCUMENT WE HAD AT THE TIME.

IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO GO THROUGH THIS ONE. ME. YES, ON THAT WAS ON FEBRUARY 28TH, 2023.

AND WE HAD AND WE SENT THAT DOCUMENT WITH THE NUMBER. AFTER THAT WE DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING UNTIL DECEMBER 13TH, 2023 WHEN WE SIGNED IT WITH PATRIOT RESPONSE GROUP. SO TO TO GET IT MUCH SHORTER AND WE GAVE YOU THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT ACTUALLY BASED ON ORIGINAL SCOPE OF WORK.

WE STILL DON'T HAVE ROOF SYSTEM. AFTER BUILDING DEPARTMENT PASSED INSPECTION AND WE NOTIFIED EVERYONE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ROOF RIDGE VENT SYSTEM. AND WE SENT. ALL THIS REQUEST OVER AND OVER FOR REQUEST FOR INSPECTION. SINCE AUGUST 4TH, 2024 THAT THE ROOF RIDGE VENT SYSTEM WAS NOT INSTALLED. AND WE PROVIDED THAT'S HOW WE HAVE OUR ROOF RIDGE VENT SYSTEM. BUT THE CONTRACTOR, PATRIOT RESPONSE GROUP, THEY SEALED OUR ROOF RIDGE VENT COMPLETELY.

THEY JUST KEPT IT. WE DO NOT HAVE IT. AND THEY PUT MESH SO WE COULD NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. WHY IS THERE SO MUCH HEAT COMING FROM THE ABOVE FROM THE ARCTIC? SO WHEN I LOOKED IN THE INSIDE THE ARCTIC, I SAW THE MESH AND I SAID, ROBERT, THERE'S A MESH THERE. SUPPOSED TO BE A VENT SYSTEM. SO ROBERT AND I, WE WENT OUTSIDE. WE TOOK CLOSE AND TOOK CAMERA TO TO TAKE A PICTURE. AND ROBERT SAID, NO, THEY KEPT IT. I WENT INTO THE ATTIC, I PUT MY HAND INSIDE

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SO AFTER I, I WILL NOT SHOW LIKE ALL THESE FILES THE A LOT OF THEM. BUT WHEN THEY PROCEEDED WE WERE SITTING AS. IN FRONT OF OUR YARD, AND THEN SUDDENLY HOW HOW I. YEAH. NO HOW I LIST IT LIKE. YEAH. OKAY.

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THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THEY DID. THEY REMOVED OUR ORIGINAL TRIMS AND EVERYTHING I, I DID DUMPSTER DIVING. I WAS ABLE TO RETRIEVE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL TRIMS THAT WERE 4.5 FOR AND HALF INCHES AND SAVE ONE SEAL. WE STILL HAVE TWO ORIGINAL SEALS AND EVERYTHING, BUT THEY WERE ALREADY SO MUCH BROKEN GLASS FROM THE WINDOWS, BUT I WAS ABLE TO SAVE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AS WELL, AND WE FOUND LATER THAT THEY CUT FOUR INCHES OF OUR WALL ON THE BACK. WHILE WE WERE SITTING IN FRONT IN THE FRONT ROOM. THAT'S HOW WE FOUND. WHAT IS THAT? YEAH. DON'T YOU HAVE JUST NORMAL PROGRAM WINDOWS ONE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT DRAWINGS. SO THEY CUT FOUR INCHES OF THE WALL ON THE BACK WHILE WE WERE SITTING IN THE FRONT. AND ONE OF THE WORKERS WHO CAME WHO COULD SPEAK ENGLISH, HE CAME TO US AND SAY, OH, SENOR, I THINK WE CANNOT CUT A WALL. AND AND WE LIKE WHAT WALL? AND THERE WAS BATHROOM WINDOW. WHERE ON THE BATHROOM WINDOW WAS OUR SMALL ON DEMAND WATER HEATER. AND WE WERE REALLY UPSET WITH THAT WHEN PATRIOT RESPONSE GROUP FINALLY CAME AFTER WEEKEND AND THEY TAPED ALL THE WINDOWS, THEY LOOKED AT IT AND THEY CANCEL IT RIGHT AWAY. BUILDING DEPARTMENT INSPECTION. THEY THEY THEY TAPE EVERYTHING. AND NEXT DAY THEY BROUGHT ANOTHER CREW. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE GAPS ALSO WAS FROM THE FIRST CREW. WHEN THEY DID. THAT'S HOW THEY INSTALLED THE WINDOWS WITH THESE GAPS BETWEEN. BETWEEN WINDOWS AND STARTS. AND THEY REMOVE SOME FRAMING. AND WHEN I WAS TAKING PICTURE AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, ALL I SAW. OKAY, DOING THE SEALS AND EVERYTHING AND AND I WENT, I TOOK BEHIND, I SEE HIM WORKING ON THE SEALS, I WENT BACK, I SIT DOWN, I COULD NOT EXPECT THEY WOULD CUT COMPLETELY. THEY WILL FOUR INCHES OF THE PLACE. SECOND CREW WAS BROUGHT NEXT DAY AFTER ALL THE WINDOWS WERE TAPED. I WAS A LITTLE BIT KIND OF AMAZED TO SEE. AMONG MATERIALS, FENCE BOARDS. THEY THEY USE THAT FENCE BOARD FOR SHIMS FOR WINDOWS. YOU CANNOT DO IT BECAUSE THEY DISINTEGRATE VERY QUICKLY. SO THE SECOND CREW, THEY THEY PROCEEDED WITH ALL THE WINDOWS INSTALLATIONS AND STILL WINDOWS DID NOT DID NOT PASS THE INSPECTION. BUT WHAT WAS AMAZING TO FIND WHEN THE SECOND CREW TOOK OUT THE WINDOWS WHEN THEY WERE INSTALLED, THIS IS WHAT THEY SAW. THIS IS WHAT THE CREW DID.

THIS PHOTO I TOOK WHEN THEY TOOK THE SECOND CREW TOOK THE WINDOWS OUT AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOWED US. THAT WAS THE FIRST CREW DID THEY COMPLETELY CUT FOUR INCH OF FALL ALONG WITH FRAMING, AND THEY DAMAGED STUDS ON THE SIDE. I TOLD THE SECOND GUY, YOU CANNOT CUT THE WALLS ANYMORE. ANOTHER WINDOW. WHEN THEY WERE INSTALLING, AND ON SOME PLACES THEY HAD TO

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LESS THE INCH BOARD. JUST IT WAS STUCK TO THE PAPER. IT WAS NOT EVEN SCREW PROPERLY.

NOWHERE UNDER THE WINDOW. WHEN THEY COMPLETED THE. THAT'S WHAT WAS THERE. THAT'S DISASTROUS.

THAT WAS THE FIRST INSTALLATION OF THE WINDOWS. SO WHEN THE SECOND CREW COMPLETED THE WINDOWS, THEY STILL DID NOT PASS INSPECTION AND WINDOWS WERE INSTALLED OF CENTER. TWO.

WE HAVE THREE WINDOWS OF CENTER BECAUSE THE WALL WHERE THE FRAMING AND STARTS, THEY WERE INSTALLED OFF CENTER. SO WE HAVE TWO THE TWO INCHES AND WE HAVE THREE, THREE OR SOMETHING INCHES. SO DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE WINDOW INSTALLED OF CENTER AND YOU CAN SEE IT DOES NOT CORRESPOND EVEN WITH LANCETS. SO ALL THESE WINDOWS HAVE TO BE OF COURSE REMOVED AND YOU CANNOT REINSTALL BECAUSE IF YOU WANT TO CENTER THEM, YOU HAVE TO CUT WALL ON ANOTHER SIDE AS WELL IN THAT WILL INFLICT MORE DAMAGES. THAT ACTUALLY WAS CONFIRMED BY LETTER FROM LIBERTY. LIBERTY WINDOWS IMPACT WINDOW WHEN THEY STATED THAT CONTRACTOR DAMAGE YOUR PLACE VERY BADLY AND EVEN HEADERS AND EVERYTHING, AND IT WAS CONFIRMED BY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AND THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE ALSO STATED TO MITIGATE ADVERSE EFFECT. OH, SORRY. YEAH. SO TO MITIGATE ADVERSE EFFECTS TO OUR BUILDING BECAUSE ROBERT AND IVY WOULD LIKE TO PUT THE OUR BUILDING HERE IN STUART ON THE. YES. NOT JUST OUR CITY MAP BUT FLORIDA MAP AND ACTUALLY FEDERAL MAP. SO WE HAVE THIS PLACE BECAUSE AS YOU SAW THE VIDEO ABOUT.

ABOUT KITCHENS, THEY ARE PIONEERS. THIS IS CHURCH WAS BUILT BY PIONEERS. IT IS IMPORTANT PIECE OF HISTORY. WE ALREADY YOU ALL HAVE THE 2025 SCOPE OF WORK WE GAVE. ALSO I SENT YOU ALL EMAILS MENTIONING THE CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS, HOW WE ALL CAN MOVE FORWARD AND FINALLY COMPLETE THE PROJECT AND INSTALL ROOF SYSTEM AND INSTALLED FINALLY WINDOWS AS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED OUR OUR HISTORICAL BUILDING BACK AS IT SHOULD BE.

AND JUST TO MOVE FORWARD AND BY CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS, YOU CAN EVEN GO WITH NON COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT IN SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES. WE HAVE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES HERE.

FIRST OF ALL IT'S HISTORICAL BUILDING. WE WE HAVE WE NEED A CONTRACTOR WHO UNDERSTANDS THE HISTORICAL MATERIALS HISTORICAL WOOD AND EVERY DETAIL. WE FOUND THAT CONTRACTOR WHEN WHEN WE WERE TOLD THAT WE CAN CHOOSE OUR OWN CONTRACTOR. AND WE FOUND MCKEE RENOVATIONS AND THEY PROPOSED TO WORK ON THE BUILDING, INCLUDING THERE WAS PAINT DAMAGED ON THE BUILDING AND EVERYTHING AND RESTORE OUR ORIGINAL STUCCO. AND WE HAVE RED ROOF CODE RED ROOF TO PUT THE TO PUT THE BACK OUR ROOF SYSTEM. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK, AS I WROTE BACK IN THAT

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THEY HAD EXPERIENCE TO WORK ON HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND CORPORATE ROOFS. THEY ARE ALSO VERY WELL KNOWN COMPANY HERE, AND THAT ONLY THEY ASK YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PROJECT. WE CANNOT WAIT FOR THE HURRICANE SEASON. TO RESTORE. YOU HAVE ALL THESE DOCUMENTS. YOU HAVE ALL THE EMAILS, YOU HAVE ALL THE BIDS. SO PLEASE LET US FINALIZE WITH MY RENOVATIONS.

PLEASE PETITION FLORIDA COMMERCE. ACCORDING TO THE CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS, DUE TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES, LET HAMILTON'S FINISH THE PROJECT WITH THIS SPECIFIC CONTRACTOR WHO ALREADY KNOWS BUILDING, WHO DID ALL MEASUREMENTS, WHO SPENT NOT JUST TEN DAYS, BUT PROBABLY TEN DAYS, TEN HOURS, BUT A FEW DAYS. THEY WILL METICULOUSLY MEASUREMENT, MEASURING EVERYTHING. AND STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS THEY MET ALREADY WITH THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER PER REQUEST OF THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. THEY ALREADY MET THEM. THEY DISCUSSED. ALL DRAWINGS ARE READY. WE DON'T NEED TO GO AGAIN THROUGH THE ENGINEER. WE JUST CAN GO AND FINISH THE BUILDING. FINALLY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MR. VICE MAYOR. WHILE YOU'RE THERE, OLGA, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THERE'S LIKE TWO PATHWAYS HERE, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING TO THE POINT AND SOLUTION FOCUSED. TO OLGA'S POINT. YOU YOU WOULD EITHER HAVE THIS SPECIAL DESIGNATION, WHICH WOULD BYPASS THE REGULAR PROCUREMENT PROCESS, OR I ALSO SEE A PATHWAY VIA HAVING THE RFP WHEN WE GO OUT TO RFP BEING VERY SPECIFIC AROUND HISTORICAL. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS TO SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY, BUT EXACTLY TO WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR TO HISTORIC. SO MY QUESTIONS ARE IN TERMS OF SPECIAL DESIGNATION, THIS SEEMS A LITTLE MORE OBSCURE FOR ME. AND A BIT OF A A HAIL MARY. I'M CURIOUS IF LEE, IF YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS. MIKE, YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS, WHAT THAT TIME FRAME MIGHT LOOK LIKE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HURRICANE SEASON, AND I DON'T SEE THAT WE HAVE AUTHORITY FOR SPECIAL DESIGNATION. WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH FLORIDA COMMERCE. THE PROCUREMENT POLICY WE'RE FOLLOWING IS THE FLORIDA COMMERCE PROCUREMENT. THE PROCUREMENT POLICY WE'RE FOLLOWING IS THE IS THE FLORIDA COMMERCE POLICY. BUT IF I CAN EXPLAIN IT TO YOU, FLORIDA COMMERCE HAS ALREADY SAID THAT THEY WOULD MAKE AN MRS. HAMILTON. WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO HIS QUESTION? YES, I WOULD LIKE TO FINISH BEFORE MISTER, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.

OKAY. FORGIVE ME. I THOUGHT THEY WERE FINISHED, I DIDN'T REALIZE. FORGIVE ME. I'M SORRY.

OKAY. I THOUGHT THEY WERE FINISHED. I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE. SORRY. IT'S NOT BYPASSING.

I'M SORRY, ROBERT HAMILTON. GOOD EVENING, AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME AND THE PATIENCE. AUGUST PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BYPASS. IT IS IN PART OF THE PROCUREMENT. AND ATTORNEY BRENNAN, WHO IS MY SISTER, WILL GET UP AND SPEAK ABOUT THAT. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BYPASS IT. IT WAS CREATED THIS SUBSECTION IN THERE. IF AN EVENT LIKE THIS HAPPENS, IT DOESN'T SAY OUR PARTICULAR EVENT, BUT THEY PUT THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE. SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND WHAT'S REALLY MORE IMPORTANT THAT LENDS THE GREATER WEIGHT OF THE EVIDENCE TO THAT IS FOR THE FACT THAT MCKEE SENT THE STUFF TO THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE WITH THE DIAGRAMS. THEY APPROVED IT, COMMERCE APPROVED IT. THE CITY HAD NO PROBLEM. MR. MORTEL PUT IN THERE THAT THEY THE CITY

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SO YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED A NEW SCOPE BEYOND WHAT MCKEE PROVIDED? WELL, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME EXPLAINING THE PROCESS, BUT FLORIDA COMMERCE DOESN'T AWARD MONEY.

THEY AWARD A SCOPE OF SERVICES. SO IF YOU APPLIED TO HAVE TWO WINDOWS PUT IN AND YOU GOT TWO WINDOWS, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE $75,000 LEFT TO SPEND ON OTHER STUFF. IT MEANS YOU GET TWO WINDOWS. AND IN THIS CASE, WHEN THE HAMILTON SELECTED THE BID THAT THEY OR THE BID THAT THEY SELECTED, THAT WAS $58,000 VERSUS THE OTHER BID, THAT WAS $65,000. IT DIDN'T MEAN THEY HAD THE BALANCE LEFT TO SPEND ON OTHER ITEMS. SO WHAT WAS AWARDED TO THEM WAS TO REPLACE THE ROOF, THE WINDOWS, THE DOORS AND SPRAY INSULATION THAT'S STILL AWARDED TO THEM.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM TO TRY AND SIGN OFF ON A SCOPE OF SERVICES TO THAT EFFECT. OKAY, WE PREPARED ONE IN MARCH. THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO HAVE THEIR OWN PREPARED. THEY HAD MCKEE PREPARE IT. WHEN WE RECEIVED IT, WE SAID IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN OURS, BUT WE SAID, OKAY, YES. AND WE SAID, WE'LL SIGN THIS ONE AND WE WILL STILL RIGHT NOW WE'LL ALL SIGN IT AND SUBMIT IT TO FLORIDA COMMERCE. WE'RE READY TO GO. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS SIGN IT. WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THEM SINCE ROUGHLY JULY BECAUSE THEY WANT MCKEE TO DO THE WORK WELL. SO WHAT IS THE MCKEE CAN BID ON IT? AND THEN IF AND IF MCKEE'S BID IS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT

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THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. BUT THERE IS NO WAY TO COMPETITIVELY BID IT. IF THE HOMEOWNER CAN JUST GO PICK WHOEVER THEY WANT. BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE TOLD. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE TOLD OR NOT. I READ THE LETTER FROM MR. MARKARIAN AND THE LAST SENTENCE REFERENCES PICKING YOUR OWN CONTRACTOR. BUT I WAS ON SEVERAL OF THE CONFERENCE CALLS. WE PREPARED THE SCOPE OF SERVICES, PRESENTED IT TO THEM, AND THEY SAID, NO, WE WANT TO GET OUR OWN CONTRACTOR TO DO A SCOPE OF SERVICES, TOLD THEM TO GO GET THEIR OWN CONTRACTOR. NO WE DIDN'T. WE PREPARED THE SCOPE OF SERVICES. WE'RE GOING TO GET IN THE MUD GOING RIGHT. I DON'T WANT TO GET LOST IN THE WEEDS ON TERMS OF SOLUTIONS. AT THIS POINT. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO TO PICK MCKEE IF THEY ONCE THOSE BIDS COME BACK, IF THEY'RE SO, THEY MAY WANT TO HEAR THAT WAY. IT'S STILL A COMPETITIVE PROCESS. YOU MAY WANT TO HEAR FROM MR. JENKINS. YOU MAY WANT TO HEAR FROM MR. JENKINS. JUST ON THE NUANCE OF HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. NO. OKAY. CAN I JUST ASK A. MRS. HAMILTON WOULD LIKE TO. YES, PLEASE CAN. THESE HAVE BEEN ONE, MR. MARTEL.

THANK YOU. SECOND, PLEASE PULL UP THE EMAIL OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE. COME ON DOWN. WHETHER IT BE FROM THE SECOND YOU GET TO THE RIGHT. AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT RESOLVED. SO THIS ISN'T A FINGER POINTING. WE HAVE MULTIPLE EMAILS WITH THE CITY. FEELS COMFORTABLE, COMMERCE FELT COMFORTABLE. SHIPPO APPROVED. NOW, I DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENED IN TALLAHASSEE. NOW WE GOT FINGER POINTING GOING ON UP THERE. I KNOW I HAVE THE CITY OF STUART WROTE US MULTIPLE TIMES ON. YOU CAN PUT THEM RIGHT ON THE SCREEN. THE CITY IS REQUESTING YOU OBTAIN NEW WINDOW INSTALLATION. THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. THE CITY IS THE ONE WHO REQUESTED US TO PICK THE ENGINEERS TO DO, TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THE BUILDING, SO WE. WE SELECTED THREE. GAVE THEM. MR. MARTEL, THE CITY PICKED WHO THEY WANT.

WE DIDN'T CARE. THEY CAME IN, THEY MADE THEIR REPORT. THE CITY SAYS IN MULTIPLE EMAILS, WE WANT YOU TO HIRE YOUR OWN CONTRACTOR. WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH HAVING YOUR OWN. IT'S DETAILED IN THE EMAIL FROM THE CITY. THAT'S A BINDING CONTRACT TO US. SO THEY AGREE TO THAT.

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THAT'S SUBSECTION IN THERE IS PUT IN THERE FOR A REASON JUST LIKE THIS. IT'S A FEDERAL RULE, FEDERAL LAW THAT IF YOU HAVE THIS SITUATION GOING ON AND THERE'S AN ISSUE, HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN DO TO RESOLVE IT. AND WE BUT IF WE'RE TELLING YOU TONIGHT, RIGHT NOW, I'M SORRY, SIR, IF WE'RE TELLING YOU TONIGHT, NO FINGER POINTING THAT THAT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING. AND THE CITY IS NOT COMFORTABLE. CAN'T WITH THE WAY THAT THIS PROGRAM IS SET UP, JUST HAVE YOU USE A CONTRACTOR. HE'S. WE'RE SAYING THAT THE MISUNDERSTANDING WAS AROUND. THE MISUNDERSTANDING WAS AROUND. SO THERE IS SOME NUANCES, LIKE I MENTIONED AS IT RELATES TO THE LEAD PAINT INTO THE CEILING THAT WE NEED TO TWEAK. BUT AS IT RELATES TO THE SCOPE OF WORK, WE ARE NOT IN DISPUTE. THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE. WE'RE AGREEABLE TO CONTRACTOR.

SO. RIGHT. SO WE WANT TO BE PROVIDED. WHY DON'T WE SIGN ON THE SCOPE OF WORK, SUBMIT IT TO FLORIDA COMMERCE, THE ONE FROM MCKEE. THE NEW ONE? YEAH, THE ONE FROM MCKEE. WE'VE BEEN IN AGREEMENT SINCE THE BEGINNING. HE'S RIGHT. WE THAT'S EVER BEEN AN ISSUE. SIGN THE SCOPE OF WORK. SUBMIT IT TO FLORIDA COMMERCE. SUBMITTED TO SHIPPO. GET IT ALL APPROVED. GO OUT TO BID. AND IF I ASK ONE IF. IF MCKEE. OKAY. ONE MOMENT, ONE MOMENT. MY INNOVATION IS NOT ROOFERS, RIGHT? ROOF SHOULD BE INSTALLED BY CONTRACT ROOFERS. WE WILL ADDRESS THAT FIRST.

LET'S GET THIS ADDRESSED. OKAY. DO NOT DO NOT DEPRIVE US OF ROOFING. NO WE'RE NOT. WE'RE TRYING TO GET ONE ISSUE DONE FIRST LET IT GO OUT TO BID. AND THEN IF MCKEE SUBMITS THEIR BID AND THEY QUALIFY, NONE OF THIS ISSUE EVEN NEEDS TO GET RESOLVED BECAUSE THE HAMILTONS GET TO JUST SAY I PICK MCKEE. ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER, THAT'S THE TIME THAT THE HAMILTONS CAN RAISE THIS ISSUE AND ADDRESS IT THEN AND SAY, AND I SAID, RESERVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT IT COULD BE THAT WE WE'RE ARGUING OVER SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAPPEN. IT COULD BE THAT MCKEE MAKES IT AND IS ON. THE BID IS READY TO GO, AND THEY MEET ALL THE CRITERIA AND THEY SELECT THEM AND WE'RE DONE. AND IT'S OVER WITH. SO. OKAY. MR. OKAY.

I WANT TO JUST FIRST ASK THE THE CITY MANAGER SPEAKING, AND I WANT TO QUESTION AND I'VE WAITED PATIENTLY. MR. MAYOR, CAN I WANT TO SPEAK WITH MR. HAMILTON? I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE CITY MANAGER. OKAY, OKAY. JUST TO ANSWER SOME THINGS. OKAY. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CERTAINLY MOVE FORWARD HERE. AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE COULD GO OUT FOR A BID OF SERVICE? I THINK THE FIRST INITIAL PROBLEM WITH THE RFP IS THAT IT REALLY NEEDS TO GO TO CONTRACTORS WHO WORK ON HISTORIC HOMES. THERE OBVIOUSLY WAS AN ISSUE BEFORE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO PUT IN THE WINDOWS WEREN'T AWARE OF WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OR NOT BE FOR HISTORIC WINDOWS. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S THE FIRST LINE OF DOING ANOTHER RFP. IT CAN ONLY GO OUT TO CERTAIN. IT CAN'T GO OUT TO EVERY CONTRACTOR WHO'S WILLING TO BID. WE DON'T HAVE THE CONTROL OVER WHO THE CONTRACTORS ARE, BUT IT SAYS IT IN THE SCOPE OF WORK. IT'S ALREADY IN IT. THE ONE WE PREPARED IN MARCH HAD THE EXACT SAME LANGUAGE AS THE RELATED TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, AND I COULD PULL IT UP AND READ IT TO YOU AGAIN. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO WASTE THE TIME. NO WE DON'T, BECAUSE THIS NEW SCOPE OF WORK SAYS THE SAME THING, RIGHT? THAT IT WOULD BE IN THE GUIDELINES OF REHABILITATING HISTORIC BUILDING. RIGHT. SO WE DON'T THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE TO US. THE SECOND ISSUE IS FOR THE HAMILTON'S WHO'VE GONE BACK, BACK AND FORTH, IS THAT IF WE OFFER THIS TO THEM, THEN I THINK THAT THEY WOULD LIKE SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM THE CITY THAT SAYS, YES, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY WITH THIS RFP COMES BACK AND YOU DON'T LIKE THE OTHER CONTRACTORS, AND MCGEE IS ELIGIBLE, MCKEE IS ELIGIBLE THAT YOU CAN SELECT HIM EVEN IF HE ISN'T THE LOWEST BIDDER. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT MR. JENKINS IS GETTING READY TO TELL YOU THE STORY OF. OKAY, BUT I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO. I JUST WANT TO HAVE SOME DIALOG WITH YOU. WE'VE ALREADY ASKED THEM WHEN THOSE THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE AVAILABLE TO BE SIGNED. NOW, WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE. THE FIRST TIME THAT IT WENT OUT TO BID, WE AGREED ON THE SCOPE OF SERVICES. BOTH SIGNED IT. IT WENT OUT TO BID. THERE WERE TWO BIDS. THE HAMILTON'S GOT TO PICK WHICHEVER ONE THEY WANTED.

THEY PICKED THE PATRIOT ONE AND IT MOVED FORWARD. IT DIDN'T WORK OUT. AND WE SAID, OKAY, LET'S FIX THIS. LAST OCTOBER WE SAID, GREAT, LET'S FIX IT. LET'S GO. THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE TWO MORE ISSUES TO FIX. THE NEXT WOULD BE IS THE ROOFERS OKAY. BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT MR. MCKEE IS NOT A ROOFER, BUT HE CAN, AS YOU ALSO DID, USE RED COAT ROOFERS AS A SUBCONTRACTOR. OKAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE IN THERE. IT'S PART OF THE BID. IT'S UP TO HIM. WELL IT WOULD BE PART OF THE BID, BUT INCLUDING THE FACT THAT WHATEVER THE CODE RED ROOFERS TELL MCKEE TO BID WITH CODE RED ROOFERS. THAT'S CALLED A

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THERE WAS ALSO AN ISSUE WHERE THE CBG GRANT ALLOWS PEOPLE, ALLOWS THE CITY, OR TO BE ABLE TO NOT PAY FOR DAMAGED OR SUBPAR WORK. SO IF THOSE TWO ITEMS EXIST UNDER THE CBG GRANT, THAT NEEDS TO GO BACK INTO THE MONIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE HAMILTONS. THE HAMILTONS HAVE NEVER BEEN TOLD THAT THEIR SCOPE OF WORK IS BEYOND THE MONEY AVAILABLE. WHAT HAPPENED IS WHEN THE HAMILTON STARTED SAYING THAT THEY WANTED AN AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM INSTALLED IN ABOVE AND BEYOND THE ROOF THE WINDOWS, THE WALL, THE DOORS AND THE INSULATION.

THAT'S WHEN WE SAID THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF WORK. BUT IT'S NOT THE MONEY IN THE MUD. IT'S NOT THE THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE, THE ISSUE. THE FLORIDA COMMERCE HAS ALREADY SAID VERBAL THINGS SAID TO THE HAMILTONS, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE THE AIR CONDITIONING DIED AND THE PROJECT HAD ALREADY STARTED. EXCUSE ME, MAY I COMMENT ON THIS ONE? WE HAD WE HAD 80,000 ALLOCATED ON OUR PROJECT AS IN SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2020 FOR MISS GANDY OF THE STATED THAT UTICA PROJECT BUDGET TO NOT TO EXCEED $80,000, SO WE HAD 57. WITH MCKEE'S RENOVATION, WE HAD LEFT ALWAYS AFTER BID AND THAT'S LEFT REST OF THE FONT. THE YOUR THINKING ON USING ON MANY SPLITS. THAT'S WHY WE WERE COLLECTING ON MANY SPLITS THAT WERE LEFT OVER. 20,000 ON THE SPLITS. SO IF EVERYTHING WOULD GO NICELY WITH WINDOWS AND ROOF SYSTEM AND ROOF, IF YOU CALCULATE AND 80,000 -57 BIT THAT EVEN YOU THE CLERK WHEN SHE WAS MAYOR COMMENTED ON THE VIDEO. BACK THEN, EVERY HOUSE WAS ALLOCATED UP TO 80,000 ON THE ABILITY TO FIGURE OUT. WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE MONEY LATER. YEAH, THE SCOPE AND NINE RECIPIENTS WERE AWARDED SCOPE OF WORK. YES. IN THAT SCOPE OF WORK, THERE MAY BE CHANGE ORDERS. THEY MAY BE NOT. BUT IT'S A SCOPE OF WORK AND IT CAN'T EXCEED $80,000. MRS. MCBRIDE WAS HERE BEFORE AND SAID SHE WAS ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS, PARTICIPANTS, PARTICIPANTS. SHE SHE RECEIVED A LITTLE BIT OVER $50,000. THAT DOESN'T MEAN SHE HAS $28,000 LEFT TO GO DO OTHER STUFF. WE UNDERSTAND SHE HAS JUST THE SCOPE OF SERVICE, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MONIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SPENT OUT OF THAT. NO, WE'RE NOT NOT THE REVERSE. THEY'RE THEY'RE BEING TREATED AT ZERO. THEIR SCOPE OF SERVICE IS THE ROOF, THE WINDOWS, THE DOORS AND THE INSULATION. THE THE GOING OUT TO BID FOR THE GOING OUT TO BID IS THE ROOF, THE WINDOWS, THE DOORS AND THE INSULATION. THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THEY START SAYING, WELL, IF WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE IS WITH PATRIOT, THEY WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IF PATRIOTS SAVED MONEY ON ITEMS, THERE'D BE MONEY LEFT OVER FOR OTHER STUFF. WELL, OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE GAVE THEM THAT IMPRESSION. AND AGAIN, WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE, WE'VE GOT TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THAT. RIGHT? THERE'S DOCUMENTATION ABOUT IT AS WELL. IN THE FUTURE, WE WILL MAKE PEOPLE SIGN IT IN BLOOD, BECAUSE THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT IT'S A SCOPE OF SERVICES, NOT AN AMOUNT, BUT IT CAN'T EXCEED 80,000. SO YOU CAN'T COME IN AND SAY, I WANT A SCOPE OF SERVICES OF $300,000. YOU COME IN WITH A SCOPE OF ABOUT 65 TO 70. IF THERE'S SOME CHANGE ORDERS, THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM TO COVER THOSE CHANGE ORDERS AND STILL FINISH IT UNDER 80. EVERY SINGLE PROJECT WE HAD FINISHED UNDER 70, AND NONE OF THEM GET TO GO AND SPEND THE REST ON ADDITIONAL STUFF. OKAY. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THEN I WANT TO GO

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OKAY. BUT AT SOME POINT, MONEY IS THE ISSUE. AND I KNOW IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY, BUT IF THE SCOPE OF OF THE SCOPE OF WORK IS APPROVED, IF I CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT WAS HAPPENING, FLORIDA COMMERCE INSTRUCTED US TO PAY FOR THAT ROOF WORK AND SAID WE HAD TO PAY IT. THE HAMILTONS ARE TAKING THE POSITION TO FIX THAT. SILL PLATE IS NOT $50,000. IT'S A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS. YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE OUT THE VENTING BECAUSE IT HAS A COBRA VENT IN IT. THEY'RE JUST GOING TO CHANGE OUT LITERALLY SOME SEALANT AT THE TOP. HAMILTON'S WERE TAKING THE POSITION OF, WELL, IF YOU TAKE THE 48,000 FOR THE ROOF OFF, BECAUSE WE'LL JUST CUT THAT HOLE FOR THE VENT, WE GET ANOTHER 48,000 THAT WE CAN SPEND ON OTHER STUFF. I'VE BEEN SAYING YOU CAN'T DO THAT. NO EXTRA MONEY FOR THINGS. I THINK THAT'S BEEN MADE CLEAR.

SO WE'RE FINE WITH IT'S NOT GOING BACK TO ZERO. THERE IS NO. BUT THAT IS WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

I SAID THERE ISN'T A COST. IT'S A SCOPE OF SERVICES. I'M SAYING THAT FLORIDA COMMERCE BELIEVES THAT CHANGING OUT THE WINDOWS, REPAIRING WHATEVER VENT IS RELATED TO THEIR ROOF, FIXING THEIR DOORS, PAINTING THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE, REPLACING THEIR CEILINGS, REPLACING SOFFITS, PAINTING THE FASCIA WOULD ALL BE COVERED AND UNTIL YOU HEAR BACK FROM THEM, YOU DON'T KNOW OTHERWISE. UNTIL WE AGREE ON THE SUBMITTAL AND SEND IT TO HIM, THEN WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON THE WATER. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. BUT AT THIS POINT, COULD WE ALLOW BOARD MEMBER BRETT DALTON? EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME. AS A PART OF OUR PRESENTATION, I INVITE HONORABLE SHIRLEY BRENNAN. WHAT? OH, YES. WE DID KNOW THAT MR. HAMILTON'S SISTER WAS GOING TO BE BRENNAN. HELLO. OKAY, I'M JUST GOING TO ALLOW BOARD MEMBER TO ASK A QUESTION.

PARDON ME. THANK YOU. AS OTHER BOARD MEMBERS. YEAH. THANK YOU. I JUST. SORRY, MARK. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN WAIT RIGHT THERE. YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

AND AND THIS I THINK JUST NEEDS TO BE SOLVED. AND I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A HISTORIC BUILDING. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT COVERED UNDER THE NATIONAL REGISTRY, WHICH IS FINE, BUT IT IS UNDER OUR CODE. IT'S A HISTORIC BUILDING, RIGHT. AND AND UNDER THE CITY. SO, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT THE THE SOLUTION THAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE IS A GOOD ONE. EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT ON THIS AT OF SCOPE OF SERVICE, NOT TALKING ABOUT MONEY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SCOPE OF SERVICE. BUT BUT I THINK THAT IT ALSO IS SOMETHING THAT HAVING GONE THROUGH THE RESTORATION PROCESS MYSELF, IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FORM OF CONSTRUCTION THAN A GRANT TO JUST PUT ON NEW WINDOWS AND DOORS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AND IT IT'S A, IT'S A, A MORE DETAILED, IT'S A MORE EXPENSIVE PROCESS. AND SO I THINK ULTIMATELY THAT REGARDLESS OF HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS RESOLVED, THAT AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO DO TWO THINGS. ONE, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME FORM OF GRANT AVAILABLE IN THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO COVER EVERYTHING, BUT FOR HISTORIC RESTORATION, WE NEED A HISTORIC RESTORATION GRANT. I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM IF WE PUT IT IN PLACE FOR THIS ONE RIGHT HERE WITH, WITH, IN CASE, YOU KNOW, IN CASE THIS THING DOESN'T WORK. BUT THE SECOND AND THE SECOND THING IS THAT I, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT THIS CDBG GRANTS IN THE FUTURE, THEY HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS THING. AND AND THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH CONTROL OF THIS PROCESS FOR US TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT. SO AT SOME POINT, THE CITY HAS TO DECIDE, ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THESE CDBG GRANTS AND OVERSEE THEM PROPERLY? AND THAT'S IT. THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR THE FUTURE. BUT BUT I THINK WE GOT AN ANSWER ON THE FLOOR IF WE JUST AGREE TO IT. GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THIS CITY

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THANK YOU. IN THE COURSE OF MY CAREER, I HAVE ALWAYS SOUGHT TO FIND TRUTH AND TO DO JUSTICE WITHOUT REGARD TO POSITION, WEALTH OR FRIENDSHIP. AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL WILL DO THE SAME. I'VE READ ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS IN THIS CASE. THERE ARE MANY ERRORS, DISINGENUOUS STATEMENTS, AND UNREASONABLE DELAY TO DETERMINE THE FACTS AND THE CREDIBILITY OF THOSE SPEAKING BEFORE YOU. YOU MUST LOOK TO THE INDEPENDENT, UNBIASED PERSONS WITHOUT AN INTEREST IN THE OUTCOME, AND THAT IS THE ENGINEER IN THIS CASE. HE'S THE ONE THAT FITS THE BILL. HE TOLD YOU WHAT THE DAMAGES WERE AND HOW TO REPAIR THEM. PATRIOT AND GUARDIAN HAVE A FINANCIAL INTEREST. THE CITY MANAGER HAS AN OBVIOUS ANIMOSITY TO THE HAMILTONS. THE HAMILTONS WANT THEIR HISTORICAL HOME FIXED WITHOUT FURTHER DELAY. IN OCTOBER OF 2024, FLORIDA COMMERCE SENT A LETTER, WHICH I READ, THAT SAID THAT THE ROOF WAS NON-COMPLIANT WITH HISTORICAL STANDARDS. THEY DID NOT APPROVE THE CASE BEING CLOSED ON THE ROOF WINDOWS.

THEY DID NOT AUTHORIZE THE PAYMENT TO PATRIOT, BUT THE CITY MANAGER DID SO ANYWAY.

SHIPPO ALSO WROTE A LETTER IN NOVEMBER 18TH OF 24 THAT THE COMPLETED WORK AGAIN DID NOT CONFORM, AND THAT IN FACT THE PROPERTY SUFFERED AN ADVERSE EFFECT AS A RESULT OF THE WORK THAT PATRIOT DID. THAT IS EXACTLY WHY ROBERT AND OLGA HAMILTON DO NOT WANT PATRIOT INVOLVED AGAIN, EVEN IF THEY DID $0.05, THEY THEY WERE TO DO TWO PROJECTS. THEY DAMAGED BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS. THEY WERE DONE IMPROPERLY AND AMATEURISH, ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEER. ON MARCH 27TH, AS EVERYBODY STATED, ALL HAD AGREED TO THE MCKEE REPORT. ROBERT AND OLGA WERE LED TO BELIEVE BY THE CITY MANAGER THAT THEY COULD PICK MCKEE AS THE CONTRACTOR. AND NOW, SEPTEMBER 2025, SIX MONTHS LATER, DON'T FORGET THIS STARTED IN 2023. WE'RE IN 2025.

SO SIX MONTHS AFTER HE TOLD THEM THEY COULD USE THIS FELLA, HE SAYS, NO, WE NEED TO OPEN THESE BIDS AGAIN, WHICH IS GOING TO PUT THIS PROJECT, I'D SAY, TWO AND A HALF TO THREE YEARS BEFORE IT'S FINISHED. AND I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY DETERMINED THE THE SCOPE OF THE WORK. BASED ON THE ENGINEER'S REPORT. IT SETS FORTH EVERYTHING IN GREAT DETAIL OF THE WORK TO BE DONE. AND MCKEE BID TO DO THAT WORK, AND EVERYONE ACCEPTED IT. AND CODE RED BID WAS ALSO REASONABLE. ROBERT AND OLGA ARE ASKING THIS COMMISSION TO FOLLOW FEDERAL CODE 200.320, SEE FOR AND REQUEST A NON COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT. IN THIS CASE IF ANY IS THE BOOK WAS WRITTEN FOR THIS IS THIS CASE IS WHAT THIS LAW WAS WRITTEN FOR. IT'S WARRANTED BECAUSE THE PROJECT DELAY HAS BEEN OVER A YEAR. THE DAMAGES MUST BE FIXED BY SOMEONE WITH HISTORICAL SKILLS. MCKEE HAS THE SKILLS. HIS WORK HAS BEEN ACCEPTED BY ALL. THERE ARE NO OTHER HISTORICAL CONTRACTORS IN THE AREA BESIDES MCKEE THAT ARE WILLING TO TAKE A SMALL PROJECT LIKE THIS. I BELIEVE THE HAMILTON SEARCH FOR OTHER CONTRACTORS AND COULD NOT FIND THEM. ROBERT AND OLGA, YOU KNOW, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING, IF YOU DO THE NON COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT, IS THAT THIS WILL BE FINISHED WITHOUT ANY FURTHER DELAY. ROBERT AND OLGA JUST WANT THEIR HISTORICAL HOME FIX. THEY DO NOT WANT $1 MILLION LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY PATRIOT OR GUARDIAN. SO I'M ASKING YOU BOARD MEMBERS TO EXERCISE YOUR AUTHORITY TO REQUEST A NON COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. LET ME FINISH. AND YOU MOVE. MR. MARTEL STATED. WE HAVE COBRA VENT SYSTEM. WE HAVE

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SO THANK YOU. MAYBE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. MAYBE WE CAN USE THIS WAY OUT THAT IS GIVEN TO US BY CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS. OKAY, OKAY. CAN MR. MRS. HAMILTON, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PEOPLE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN WITH REGARD TO YOUR ISSUE? YOU SHOULD YOU SHOULD READ THAT.

JUST TO WRAP IT UP REAL QUICK AND EASY. YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO HEAR. YEAH, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE AN AX TO GRIND. AS PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR 25 YEARS. ONE AND DON'T ANYBODY TAKE THIS. I AM NOT AFRAID TO WALK IN THAT COURTROOM, BUT I'M NOT HERE FOR THAT. I HAVE NO AX TO GRIND WITH HIM. WHAT'S WRONG IS WRONG, AND WHAT'S RIGHT IS RIGHT.

LET'S JUST GET IT WORKED OUT. LET'S GET IT RESOLVED. IF WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A FEDERAL LAW RULE CODE, LET'S JUST DO IT AND MOVE ON. I LIKE MR. BRECHBILL SUGGESTION. MAYBE IN THE FUTURE THAT COULD BE DONE. AND REMEMBER THIS THE CITY GETS EXTRA POINTS ON HISTORICAL BUILDING BIG TIME. I'M SURE HE KNOWS THIS. WHEN WE MET, EVERYTHING WAS FINE. WE GOT ALONG REAL GOOD. HE WAS VERY PERSONABLE AND WHEN THE AIR CONDITIONER DIED, I DID CALL HIM AND SAID, HEY, IT DIED. WILL THERE BE ANY EXTRA MONEY? AND HE SAYS, I CAN GET YOU UP TO 80,000. I DON'T, HE'LL REMEMBER. I DIDN'T ASK THE CONTRACTOR. I WENT OUT AND GOT BIDS FROM THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE WHO PUT THE AIR CONDITIONING IN BECAUSE I TEASED THEM AND SAID, WE ONLY GOT 20 YEARS OUT OF THIS. WHAT'S WRONG WITH A TRAIN? THEY LAUGHED. THEY'RE A LOCAL COMPANY. I DID THE RESEARCH. MANY SPLITS IS WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO USE IN HISTORICAL BUILDINGS BECAUSE IT'S INSIDE THE ENVELOPE. OTHER STUFF THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN USED, PRESSURE TREATED WOOD ON THE ROOF THAT TWIST DRIES AGAIN. WE JUST WANT TO GET IT RESOLVED. EVERYBODY CAN GO AWAY HAPPY. HE CAN GO AWAY HAPPY. HE'LL STILL GET HIS CREDIT. HUD AND OIG, THEY WILL NOT CLOSE THIS FILE OUT. THAT COMES ABOVE COMMERCE. AND WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE WEEDS, COMMERCE IS UNDER INVESTIGATION BY HUD. I'M NOT GOING TO DISSEMINATE OR DISCUSS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS, OLGA AND I. I WANT TO GET IT RESOLVED. THAT'S THEIR DOG FIGHT BETWEEN THEM AND COMMERCE THAT UNFORTUNATELY, IT TRICKLES DOWN TO MR. MORTEL.

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THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE, LIKE DEBRA HAAS FROM FRANCES LANGFORD BACK IN THE DAY. ALL WE WANT IS OUR LITTLE CHURCH FIXED. MR. BRECHBILL KNOWS ME. HE'S WATCHED ME IN THAT BUILDING FROM THE TIME I MOVED IN THERE AND DIDN'T CAUSE NO TROUBLE IN THE HOOD. DIDN'T CAUSE NO TROUBLE. IN FACT, WE HAVE FRIENDS WITH WITH ALL THE AT&T GUYS. LINDSAY BRECHBILL, MY NEIGHBOR, NEVER HAD A CROSS WORD WITH HER. WE ALL GET ALONG IN THERE. THAT MAN'S WATCHED ME WORK ON THAT PLACE, SAND IT AND CLEAN IT AGAIN. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET OVER ON ANYBODY HERE. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET EXTRA. I APPRECIATE WHAT MR. MARTEL SAID ABOUT THE WALL. I DON'T NEED NOBODY TOUCHING IT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I'M NOT BEING SMART. I DON'T WANT NOBODY TOUCHING THAT BEADBOARD. I'VE BEEN AT IT FOR FOUR AND A HALF YEARS, AND YOU GOTTA KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING WHEN YOU MESS WITH IT. I DON'T WANT THAT IN PRODUCTION WORK. SO WITH THAT SAID, I KNOW YOU WANT TO MOVE ON, SIR. I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO GET THIS WORKED OUT AND THE REST OF YOU. SO, OLGA, IF YOU'RE DONE, I THINK MR. JENKINS WANTS TO SAY PROBABLY BOTH STAY THERE. I'M. BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE BOARD MEMBER REED HAS QUESTIONS FOR YOU. OH, I'M SORRY, I HAVE ONE, TOO. I DO, FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES. LEE, CAN WE DO A NONCOMPETITIVE BID? ACCORDING TO THAT FEDERAL, I BROUGHT IT UP AS TO WHAT IT SAYS. OKAY.

JUST BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER USED IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T. ARE WE ABLE TO? YES. I'VE NOT REVIEWED THE REGULATION THAT WAS CITED AND I'LL HAVE TO REVIEW DO SOME RESEARCH. BUT A WEEK OR TWO AGO WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT THAT WE HAVE TO GO OUT FOR COMPETITIVE BID. AND I IT IT MAY BE A NON ISSUE IF IF MCKEE BIDS AND THERE'S THEY MIGHT BE THE ONLY BIDDER. THEY MIGHT BE THE ONLY BIDDER. AND THIS IS ALL FOR NOTHING. IF THEY'RE IF THERE'S ONE OF THREE BIDDERS THE HAMILTON'S JUST SELECT MCKEE EVEN IF THEY'RE THE HIGHEST BID. SO THIS IS I THINK WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE AT THIS POINT.

WE'VE AGREED ON A SCOPE OF WORK. THAT'S ALL THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT WANTED US TO DO. IT SEEMS LIKE WE FINALLY REACHED THAT. LET'S GO FORWARD WITH IT. AND THE SCOPE OF WORK IS BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF WORK. IT'S THE MCKEE, THE KEYS, THE KEYS. THE ONLY THING THAT MCKEE IS MISSING IS THE ROOF RIDGE VENT AND INSULATION ON OLGA. SO? SO BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF SERVICES AND MCKEE THAT WILL SOLVE THEIR ISSUES. SEND IT OUT FOR BID, I GUESS RFP WISE AND JUST SPECIFIC HISTORICAL PREFERENCE PREFERRED I GUESS HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE OR RIGHT FOR RESTORATION PURPOSES AND THAT SHOULD TAKE CARE OF IT, I ASSUME. MAYBE UNLESS MR. JENKINS KNOWS OTHERWISE. AND TALK ABOUT THE THE RIDGE VENT.

WELL, THE BUILDING THE THE ISSUE WITH THE RIDGE VENT IS WHEN MR. MARTEL REFERENCES A COBRA. COULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? I'M ANTONIO JENKINS WITH GUARDIAN CRM. I AM THE CITY GRANT CONSULTANT. MISS DAWN COBB IS ALSO WITH ME. THE ISSUE WE HAVE WITH THE ROOF IS THE ROOF HAS PASSED THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT INSPECTION, AND IT HAS WHAT THEY CALL A COBRA STYLE RIDGE VENT, WHICH MEANS IT SITS FLAT AND IT HAS THAT MESH IN BETWEEN IT, AND IT FILTERS THE AIR OUT THAT WAY. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A RAISED RIDGE VENT. AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO PUTTING THAT RAISED RIDGE VENT ON THE HOME AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT AS AN AGREED UPON PART OF THE SCOPE OF WORK. SO WITH SO WITH THE RIDGE VENT THAT'S IN THERE, IT IT CAN FILTER IT. BUT THEN WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR CAP, IS THAT CAP SEALED? YEAH. THAT THAT CAP, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SPACE IN BETWEEN THE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT. SO IT'S NOT FULLY SEALED. IT'S IT'S NOT FULLY SEALED. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT MEANS THE AIR, THE AIR FILTRATES THROUGH THE MESH AND UP AND DOWN THE RIDGE VENT. AND IN THE LITTLE BIT OF SPACE IN BETWEEN IT, IT SEEPS OUT IS THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT. IT IS NOT QUITE AS EFFICIENT AS HEAT AND HEAT EXCHANGE AS A RAISED RIDGE VENT, BUT IT IS A CODE APPROVED SYSTEM BECAUSE LIKE IT, IT MEETS OBVIOUSLY THE THE RIDGE VENT, IT MEETS IT AND YOU HAVE THAT GAP WHERE YOU PUT THE FOAM IN. BUT IF IT'S CAPPED ON THE EXTERIOR BUT IT'S NOT IN DISPUTE. YEAH. YEAH. WE YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN THE RACE RIDGE VENT AT THIS POINT. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE JUST NEED A MOTION FROM THE BOARD. BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF SERVICES, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE'S THE SPACE, WHERE'S THE AIR COMING. WELL THE AIR COMES IN AND IN THE MESH. CORRECT.

HOLD ON. WHAT WHAT WOULD SUIT? MR. JENKINS IS SPEAKING. OKAY, MISS HAMILTON, IT'S. THE AIR EXCHANGE IS IN BETWEEN THE MESH AND THE THE SPACE IN BETWEEN. IT'S NOT A SOLID SPACE BETWEEN THE CAP, WHICH IS THE METAL PART THAT SITS ON TOP. AND THEN YOU HAVE AN OPEN SPACE WHERE

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WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE APPROVAL WITH THE COBRA RIDGE VENT. THE STATE HOUSING HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE HAS SAID THAT THIS ROOF, AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS, MEETS THE HISTORICAL STANDARD. BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS NOW THAT WE HAVE AN AGREED UPON SCOPE OF WORK, WE DON'T WANT TO KIND OF FIGHT THAT BATTLE. LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND AGREE TO ADDING THE RAISED RIDGE VENT, BECAUSE IT'S THE PREFERENCE FOR THE HAMILTONS FOR EFFICIENCY WISE, FOR LONGEVITY OF THE MATERIAL THAT'S IN THE ATTIC. IS THAT WHAT IT HAD PRIOR? SO WE'RE GOING SAME FOR SAME. YOU'RE GOING IT WASN'T QUITE A RAISED RIDGE VENT. IT WAS MORE OF A RIDGE CAP VENT, BUT IT WAS MORE BREATHABLE THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. OKAY. SO CAN WE NOT HAVE THE MORE BREATHABLE RIDGE VENT? YOU CAN YOU CAN HAVE WHAT'S ON THERE NOW. IT IS PAST THE SCOPE OF WORK, PAST THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT INSPECTION. WELL, I DON'T ON THE SCOPE OF SERVICES. YEAH. THE SCOPE OF SERVICE. RIGHT. WE'RE ALREADY PAST. WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT TO RICHMOND. RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. MR. WELL, IT'S AN ISSUE IF THE HAMILTON'S AREN'T GOING TO AGREE TO THAT SCOPE OF WORK. WELL, YOU ALL WANT TO RAISE IT. I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST JUST ONE SECOND. OKAY. COULD YOU PULL THAT PHOTOGRAPH BACK UP, PLEASE, MR. JENKINS? OBE REQUESTED WE REQUESTED INSPECTION OF DOCUMENTS. THEY WILL NOT SPECIFICATIONS IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OR ON ROOF. RICHMOND. MR. HORTON IS HERE.

OKAY, OKAY. YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY SPECIFICATION, OLGA. MR. JENKINS. THIS IS OVER. CAN YOU ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT? THERE YOU GO. OKAY. LOOK IT UP IN THE ATTIC. THIS IS A MESS MR. JENKINS IS TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS THE CUT OUT, AND THIS IS A. THIS IS NO BED WHATSOEVER. THE ORIGINAL GROUP HAD A RAISED RIDGE VENT THAT'S GOT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF TINY HOLES. IN IT. CORRECT. MOSQUITOES GO IN. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE. OLGA TOOK THIS OUT. WE CRAWLED UP THERE AND TOOK THIS PHOTOGRAPH. THAT'S THE CRACK OF LIGHT THAT SEEPS IN. THERE IS NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH THAT THAT COULD EVER VENTILATE THAT BUILDING PROPERLY. YEAH.

OKAY. WELL, YEAH, I JUST SAID THAT IT'S NOT OPTIMAL, SO I THINK OKAY, SO THIS IS THE RAISED ROOF VENT INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE OF SERVICES. THE ORIGINAL ROOF. PLEASE STOP. NO, BOTH OF YOU, PLEASE. WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO LET'S MOVE TO THE PROCUREMENT PORTION OF IT.

THANK YOU. UNFORTUNATELY, YOUR HOUSING ASSISTANCE PLAN, OUTLAYS THE WAY YOUR PROJECTS HAVE TO BE BID, THAT'S YOUR POLICY. SO YOUR POLICY IS NOT GOING TO ALLOW YOU FOR THAT EXEMPTION WITHOUT CHANGING THE POLICY. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COMMERCE APPROVED RFP PROCESS OR TO GET THOSE BIDS. NOW, IF YOU WANTED TO USE THAT EXEMPTION, YOU COULD CHANGE THE POLICY, BUT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE JUST AS LONG AS GOING OUT TO BID AND GETTING A NEW BID IN. AND WHEN YOU LOOK, WHEN YOU LOOK AT EXPOSE US TO HAVING TO REOPEN THE OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS TO BE TREATED EQUALLY. AND SO THEN WE HAVE TO START GETTING INTO EVERYBODY'S BEING REOPENED, AND EVERYBODY GETS AN OPTION TO DO ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. MADAM. SO SO MAY NOT JUST SO RIGHT NOW THE DAIS YOU MAY NOT DO THAT. SO SO RIGHT NOW YOU WOULD FOLLOW YOUR HOUSING ASSISTANCE PLAN AND GO OUT TO BID. THAT SCOPE OF WORK WILL HAVE WHAT THEY CALL A COST ESTIMATE GENERATED BY US IN-HOUSE. AND AS LONG AS THE CONTRACTORS IS WITHIN PLUS OR -15% ANY OF THE BIDDING CONTRACTORS, YOU CAN'T RESTRICT IT TO JUST HISTORIC CONTRACTORS. YOU HAVE TO PLACE IT OUT AND THOSE CONTRACTORS CAN BID ON THE PROJECT. NOW, THE HAMILTONS DO GET TO CHOOSE THAT CONTRACTOR. IN THIS CASE. LET'S JUST SAY MCKEE. LET'S SAY YOU HAVE FIVE BIDS AND MCKEE IS OUTSIDE OF THAT PLUS OR -15% COST ESTIMATE. THE HAMILTON'S STILL GET TO CHOOSE MCKEE. WE JUST HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU TO GET APPROVAL THAT THEY CAN ACCEPT MCKEE AS THEIR CONTRACTOR. CORRECT. AND AS IT RELATES TO THE ROOF, HOW THAT WOULD WORK IS THE HAMILTON'S WOULD HAVE MCKEE AND THEY WOULD

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IT'S NOT HOOD IF YOU GO THIS RIGHT. IF WE SIGN THE SCOPE OF SERVICES WE CAN GET STARTED NOW.

YES. MOVING FORWARD. AND MCKEE CAN BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN SELECT. ABSOLUTELY. AND IF YOU CANNOT FIND A COMPETITIVE PERSON WITHIN THAT PROCESS NOW YOU CAN LOOK AT GOING THIS ROUTE. CORRECT. AND I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY MCKEE WOULD NOT BE ON THAT LIST. WE WOULDN'T PROHIBIT THEM. ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS SCOPE OF SERVICE CURRENTLY. IS THAT TRUE? MR. WE'RE NOT EXPOSING THE CITY TO MORE LIABILITY OF OTHER PEOPLE FEELING LIKE THEY WERE TREATED UNFAIRLY. WHEN THIS IS A NO CASE FOLLOWING THE SAME NORMAL PROCESS, WE'RE GOING THROUGH OUR NORMAL PROCESS. AND IF IT SO HAPPENS THAT THERE IS NOT A COMPETITIVE OPTION THERE, THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT THE NON CORRECT. BUT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE IS WE TAKE THAT NON COMPETITIVE THAT PROCESS. HEY WE'RE IN SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES HERE. WE FOLLOWED OUR HOUSING ASSISTANCE PLAN RULES. WE ARE ASKING FOR COMMERCE TO GIVE US THAT WAIVER. THAT WAY THE LIABILITY IS SHIFTED AWAY FROM THE CITY. WE HAVE APPROVAL FROM THE FUNDER AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

WE SIGNED THE SCOPE OF SERVICES. WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD TO DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY. AND IT WAS SIGNED IT. WE'VE AGREED. CORRECT. WE AGREED TO IT. WE'RE READY TO SUBMIT IT. THAT'S IT.

IS THAT IS THAT REASONABLE, ROBERT? REASONABLE MISSING ARE THE RAISED RIDGE ROOF. WE JUST HEARD FROM MR. HAMILTON IN RESPONSE TO THIS QUESTION IS EASY. EASY. I KNOW EVERYBODY'S EXCITED. IT'S JUST TENSE. YES, I FORGOT YOUR QUESTION. IT'S ALL AGREEABLE. YOU AGREE TO THE SCOPE OF SERVICE. LET ME. YES. THE REASON THAT WE SENT ONE. LET'S GO. I'M AGREEABLE TO THE SCOPE OF SERVICES. BUT THERE WAS ONE MORE THING. HOLD ON. ROOF RIDGE VENT SYSTEM. NO, OGRE. OGRE, PLEASE, I HAVE THIS. IT WAS SOMETHING MR. MARTEL JUST SAID. BUT AGAIN, THE SCOPE OF SERVICES DOES INCLUDE THE ROOF RIDGE VENT SYSTEM. IT DOES NOT. CURRENTLY. I WILL ADD THAT IN WE WE'VE TAKEN IT OUT AND ADDED IT IN AND TAKEN IT OUT WITH THE SUN. SO ON THE RECORD YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO ADD IT BACK IN FOR WHAT? WE'LL FOR THEM TO SIGN BACK OVER TO THE HILL. RIGHT. ROBERT. IS THAT OKAY. WELL CAN WE MOVE FORWARD? ROBERT, CAN WE SIGN THIS AND MOVE FORWARD? MR. HAMILTON, REMEMBER WHAT HE WANTS TO SAY. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE'S A LOT AS YOU CAN. YOU IMAGINE A YEAR IN OUR LIFE GOING THROUGH THIS DAILY WITH THE EMAILS. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, BUT MY HOPE IS IN GOOD FAITH. YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S PROVIDED, AND WE CAN GET THIS SIGNED AND MOVE FORWARD, I BELIEVE, AND I OR IN AGREEMENT WITH THE SCOPE OF WORK. CORRECT? YES OR NO? NO. ONE MOMENT. ONE MOMENT. BEFORE. BEFORE I LEAVE THIS PLACE, I WOULD LIKE REQUEST THE SPECIFICATIONS ON THE ROOF RIDGE VENT SYSTEM FROM THE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE NO NO NO NO NO. MR. MARTEL AND MR. JENKINS STATED WE HAVE COBRA ROOF RIDGE VENT SYSTEM I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. DO YOU WANT A ROOF RIDGE VENT ON THE HOUSE OFF THAT? COME ON. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT SPECIFICATIONS AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN INSPECTION BY INDEPENDENT TO CHECK IF THAT WAS INSTALLED ACCORDING TO SPECIFICATIONS. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHEN. COBRA ROOF SPECIFICATIONS WILL. ONE SECOND I THINK I THINK WHAT HER CONCERN TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, I THINK WHAT HER CONCERN IS THIS HAS TURNED INTO, AS YOU ALL KNOW, A VERY CONVOLUTED MESS. MR. MARTEL HAS HIS OPINION. MR. BAGGETT A

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I'M AGREEABLE. WHAT I'M NOT AGREEABLE TO. I WILL NOT SIGN THAT WAIVER. THEY SENT ME TO SIGN ALL MY RIGHTS AWAY. WHAT'S THE WAIVER? WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT. HE KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, SO IS NOT GOING TO STOP. THEY WANTED ME. IT WILL DEFINITELY STOP THE PROCESS. YOU CANNOT HAVE SOMEBODY SIGN ALL YOUR RIGHTS AWAY TO FIX YOUR PROPERTY THAT YOU CAN'T GO TO COURT. BULL CRAP. BUCK STOPS THERE. I APOLOGIZE FOR SAYING BULL CRAP, BUT YES, I'M AGREEABLE TO SCOPE OF WORK. OGGY. OGGY, IS MR. JENKINS OKAY? HE WILL THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE THERE. PUT THE ROOF RIDGE. THE THE WHATEVER. THE THE RIGHT.

CORRECT. ROOF RIDGE VENT SYSTEM IN. WE DID IT. CAN I CAN I ADD, MR. MAYOR, CAN I INDICATED, PLEASE? HE INDICATED HE WILL BE ADDING THAT TO THE SCOPE OF WORK. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU, SIR, MR. MAYOR. AND ONE MOMENT. THAT MORTGAGE WE HAVE WITH THE CITY, 57,340. I NEED A PAPER.

THAT MORTGAGE IS NULL AND VOID. YEAH, THAT WAS HER. THE. NOT THE MORTGAGE ON OUR PLACE. OKAY, OKAY. YOU SAID IT. THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHAT? HER POINT IS, WE DON'T WANT TO GET HIT WITH 80,000. AND THEN THE CITY COMES BACK, SAYS, HEY, WE PAID PATRIOT FOR THIS. THIS GETS ADDED TO IT. NO IT'S NOT. EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A PAYMENT MORTGAGE, I GET THAT. CAN WE VISIT THAT? IT'LL NEVER COME UP. IT'S THAT'S AN ALL THAT MORTGAGE HASN'T BEEN RECORDED.

ALL ALL SHE'S ASKING. ALL SHE'S ASKING. EVERYBODY'S ON THE RECORD. CAN I JUST FINISH ALL SHE'S ASKING FOR. ALL SHE'S ASKING IS BECAUSE SHE'S USED TO BEING IN A COURTROOM WITH JUDGES AND ATTORNEYS. SHE JUST WANTS IT PUT IN WRITING. FOR GOD'S SAKES. I HEAR WHAT HE'S SAYING AND RESPOND. THE MORTGAGE IS A NON PAYMENT MORTGAGE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING. WHAT FLORIDA COMMERCE WANTS TO DO IS RECORD THE AMOUNT THEY PAY. SO IF IT COMES OUT TO $81,000 AND FLORIDA COMMERCE WANTS TO CHANGE THE MORTGAGE TO $81,000, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO STOP THEM. BUT AT THE END OF THAT TERM, WHATEVER IT IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS IT IS. IS IT FIVE OR WHATEVER IT IS? IT'S 100% FORGIVEN. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING BACK. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE PAYING INTEREST ON THE AMOUNT. THEY'RE NOT PAYING PAYMENTS ON THE AMOUNT. IT'S THE SAME OBLIGATION THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW. EITHER WAY, FLORIDA COMMERCE PUT THE AMOUNT IN THE MORTGAGE OF WHAT THE BID WAS THAT THEY ACCEPTED. THAT WAS THE AMOUNT OF THE MORTGAGE. SO IF THE BID TURNS OUT TO BE $81,000, IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT FLORIDA COMMERCE IS GOING TO WANT TO CHANGE THE MORTGAGE TO REFLECT THAT AMOUNT, HOWEVER. SO WHAT? IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY PAYMENTS. THEY THEY LIVE THERE FOR THE FIVE YEARS AND IT'S 100% FORGIVEN. AND IT'S OVER WITH. THAT WAY IT'S NOT FORGIVEN. THIS MORTGAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ME, I GET HIT BY A CAR OR SOMETHING AND WE CANNOT TAKE CARE OF THIS PLACE AND WE HAVE TO SELL, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO IT'S IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT TO TAKE CARE OF HISTORICAL BUILDING. AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, I HAVE TO ROBERT AND I WILL HAVE TO PAY NOT JUST 80,000 BUT 57,000 AS WELL. IF THAT IS NULL AND VOID, OKAY, CAN CAN I HAVE ONE? COMMISSIONER? EXCUSE ME, SIR, I REMEMBER. YES, AS WE NOW HAVE COME CLOSE. I WANT TO THANK THE HAMILTONS. I WANT TO THANK. I WANT TO THANK YOU. I WANT TO THANK YOUR SISTER FOR COMING HERE TO SPEAK. AND OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN IN YOUR BEHALF. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE HERE WHO HAS COME HALFWAY, AT LEAST, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SO THAT'S YOU, MR. JENKINS, THE CITY MANAGER, ALL OF THAT. THE ONE THING I WANTED TO ADD, AND I THINK IT GOT LOST IN THERE, THE INSULATION IS NOT ON THIS SCOPE OF WORK. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S BECAUSE THE CEILINGS AREN'T THERE. WE CAN'T BLOW IN INSULATION IF THERE ARE NO CEILINGS. OH, IS IT THERE NOW? YEAH. SO CAN'T USE BLOWN INSULATION. HISTORICAL BUILDING. IT'S GOT TO BE A ROCK WALL OR LIKE A ROCK WALL IN THERE THAT. WELL ONCE, ONCE WE ONCE WE GET THE SCOPE SIGNED WE'RE GOING TO SEND THAT UP TO SHPO ANYWAY FOR ALL OF THEIR OPPONENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY APPROVE IT.

RIGHT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE GET APPROVAL AT EVERY SINGLE LEVEL BEFOREHAND. RIGHT? SO AS IT RELATES TO THE MORTGAGE RIGHT NOW, THEY DON'T HAVE AN ACTIVE MORTGAGE. IT HASN'T BEEN RECORDED. I UNDERSTAND MR. HAMILTON'S CONCERN AND I DO UNDERSTAND HER CONCERN. HERE'S HOW CDBG IS STRUCTURED. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ONE OF THEM, THE OTHER CONTINUES ON WITH THE MORTGAGE. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO BOTH OF THEM, THAT MORTGAGE IS AUTOMATICALLY FORGIVEN, OKAY AND AUTOMATICALLY AUTOMATICALLY FORGIVEN IF THEY HAPPEN TO WANT TO SELL THE HOME. AND AFTER ALL OF THIS, I DON'T THINK THEY

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