Oct 13, 2025 Regular City Commission Meeting

[ROLL CALL]

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THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE STEWART CITY COMMISSION FOR THE 13TH OF OCTOBER, 2025. THANK YOU ALL FOR ATTENDING. THE INVOCATION WILL BE PROVIDED THIS AFTERNOON BY PASTOR JAMES HARP OF THE STEWART ALLIANCE CHURCH. AND WHETHER YOU THEN PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE STAND. OKAY. LET'S PRAY. OUR FATHER, I THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY AND THANK YOU, GOD, FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TOGETHER HERE. LORD, WE WANT TO BLESS YOUR HOLY NAME TODAY. AND IT SAYS IN YOUR WORD AS AS YOU'RE BLESSED, YOU BLESS US. AND I THINK EVERYONE HERE WOULD JUST BE THRILLED TO RECEIVE A BLESSING FROM YOU TODAY, FATHER. SO WE JUST COMMIT THIS TIME TO YOU. THANK YOU FOR THESE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT SERVE US IN THIS COMMUNITY.

LORD, WE DO ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES. PROTECT THEM. PROVIDE FOR THEM.

LORD, KEEP THEM HEALTHY. AND WE THANK YOU, LORD, FOR THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE IN AND THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY. FATHER. SO LORD, WE JUST ONCE AGAIN COMMIT THIS DAY INTO YOUR HANDS THIS AFTERNOON, INTO YOUR HANDS, THIS MEETING INTO YOUR HANDS. AND WE THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR HOW YOU'RE GOING TO REVEAL YOURSELF AND THAT YOUR PRESENCE WOULD BE MANIFEST WITH US. WE PRAY IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU, PASTOR HARP. AND I'M ALWAYS DELIGHTED TO SEE TUTUS. SO BEFORE I INTRODUCE YOU AND THE ARTS MOMENT, MY DAUGHTER WAS A PROFESSIONAL BALLET DANCER. SHE DANCED PROFESSIONALLY UNTIL SHE WAS 30 YEARS OLD. YOU CANNOT IMAGINE HOW MANY NUTCRACKERS. I HAVE HAD TO SIT THROUGH. YES. CAN WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MAYOR RICH HERE, VICE MAYOR COLLINS HERE. COMMISSIONER CLARK HERE. COMMISSIONER JOB HERE, COMMISSIONER REID HERE. SO THIS IS THE FLORIDA ARTS AND DANCE COMPANY, AND THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE US WITH A VERY COMPACT RECITAL. THIS BABY. OKAY. WELL, THE. GOOD SERVICE AWARD. IS THERE SOMETHING ON HERE? COOL. ALL RIGHT. THE CHAIR'S BACK.

OKAY.

CHINESE.

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OKAY, ALL OF YOU COME UP, COME UP FRONT WITH THE MOMS AND THE TEACHERS. MISS NINA. OH, THERE YOU ARE. AND SOMETHING WAS UP. BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW WHAT? PLEASE TELL US WHEN THE SHOWS ARE GOING TO BE. NINA. OKAY. THE SHOWS WILL BE AT THE LYRIC THEATER DECEMBER 12TH TO THE 14TH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. OKAY, MR. BHAGAT. THE

[PROCLAMATIONS]

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WE WANTED TO BE A LITTLE MORE LIGHTHEARTED THIS YEAR, AND MISTY IS GOING TO BE TAKING CARE OF THAT AND PUTTING THAT ON OUR STUART LIFE FACEBOOK PAGE. YOU KNOW, JUST FOR FUN, INTRODUCING OUR DEPARTMENTS AND AND WHAT THAT DEPARTMENT DOES FOR THE CITY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ONCE YOU GET THROUGH. YEAH, I GUESS. SO. DANCE. THANK YOU. MARY.

OKAY, MR. BAGGETT, ON A MORE SERIOUS NOTE, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH, OCTOBER 2025.

WHEREAS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS A SERIOUS, WIDESPREAD ISSUE THAT AFFECTS INDIVIDUALS IN EVERY COMMUNITY, REGARDLESS OF AGE, RACE, INCOME OR EDUCATION LEVEL, AND LEAVES A LASTING IMPACT ON SURVIVORS, FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS MORE THAN 1 IN 3 WOMEN AND 1 IN 4 MEN IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE EXPERIENCED PHYSICAL VIOLENCE, THREATS, OR ABUSE FROM AN INTIMATE PARTNER DURING THEIR LIFETIMES, THE EFFECTS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE EXTEND BEYOND THE IMMEDIATE HARM CAUSED TO SURVIVORS IMPACTING CHILDREN, WORKPLACES, HEALTH SYSTEMS, AND ENTIRE COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS SAFETY, SUPPORT SOLIDARITY IS THE THEME FOR THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH 2025, UNITING COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE AND HERE ON THE TREASURE COAST AND STANDING WITH SURVIVORS, SAFE SPACE IS THE ONLY CERTIFIED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CENTER SERVING MARTIN, SAINT LUCIE AND INDIAN RIVER COUNTIES, PROVIDING LIFE SAVING SERVICES SUCH AS 24 SEVEN SHELTER, A CONFIDENTIAL HOTLINE, LEGAL ADVOCACY, CHILDREN'S PROGRAMS AND FINANCIAL EMPOWERMENT TO HELP SURVIVORS ACHIEVE SAFETY AND STABILITY. AND WHEREAS IT IS VITAL TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF SAFE SPACE WORK AND TO ENCOURAGE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, EMPLOYERS, FAITH LEADERS AND CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS TO ACT BY RAISING AWARENESS, LEARNING THE SIGNS OF ABUSE, AND OFFERING A COMPASSIONATE SUPPORT TO SURVIVORS. NOW, THEREFORE, I, CAMPBELL RICH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF STUART, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 2025 AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH AND ACCEPTING THIS PROCLAMATION AND RECOGNITION OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. IS THE CEO OF SAFE SPACE AND APPARENTLY A FEW MEMBERS OF HER TEAM. JENNIFER FOX GOOD AFTERNOON, MISS FOX. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS AGAIN. JENNIFER FOX, THE CEO OF SAFE SPACE. ON BEHALF OF SAFE SPACE, OUR STAFF BEHIND US AND OUR BOARD MEMBERS AND SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING OCTOBER AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. I DO THINK THIS PROCLAMATION SENDS A STRONG MESSAGE TO SURVIVORS ACROSS OUR COMMUNITY THAT SAYS, YOU ARE NOT ALONE. DOMESTIC ABUSE CAN BE FOUND IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD, WORKPLACE AND SCHOOL. YET SURVIVORS DO FEEL ALONE. EVERY STATISTIC REPRESENTS A PERSON, A PARENT, A CHILD, A NEIGHBOR WHO DESERVES TO BE SAFE IN THEIR OWN HOME. SAFE SPACE IS THE ONLY STATE CERTIFIED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CENTER SERVING MARTIN COUNTY. AND JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA, OUR CRISIS HOTLINE ANSWERS BETWEEN 200 AND 275 CALLS EVERY MONTH. LAST YEAR, WE SERVED 891 SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, 165 OF THOSE WERE KIDS, 378 PEOPLE STAYED IN

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THIS FRIDAY, OCTOBER 17TH, WE'RE GATHERING AT THE TESORO CLUB IN PORT SAINT LUCIE FOR OUR AMETHYST GALA. THIS IS OUR SIGNATURE FUNDRAISING EVENT THAT SHINES LIGHT ON SURVIVORS STORIES AND THEN RAISES CRITICAL FUNDS. AND THEN THURSDAY, OCTOBER 23RD, WE HOST OUR DAY OF GIVING. IT'S A COMMUNITY WIDE DAY OF GENEROSITY TO SUPPORT SURVIVORS HERE IN THE TREASURE COAST. SO JUST TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THESE EVENTS, SERVICES WE PROVIDE ARE WAYS TO HELP. PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE AT SAFE SPACEFLIGHT. AND ALSO YOU COULD FOLLOW US SOCIAL. FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA. SO THANK YOU FOR USING YOUR PLATFORM TO SHINE A LIGHT ON THIS ISSUE, AND FOR STANDING WITH SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 16. YOU MAY WANT TO GO IN THE FRONT, AMY, IN THE FRONT. DO IT. PERFECT. LOOK THIS WAY. SMILE. THANK YOU. TAKE CARE, TAKE CARE. TAKE CARE. ALL RIGHT. TAKE CARE. GOOD. NO, THEY HAD TO ORDER THAT I CAN GET. I CAN GET THE DETAILS BECAUSE I'LL. I'LL GET. OKAY.

[PRESENTATIONS]

HE ALSO RECOGNIZE YOU. FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. TIMOTHY'S. I BELIEVE HE'S NOT ABLE TO BE HERE ON DUTY. RIGHT? YEAH. TEN YEARS OF SERVICE IN THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT? YES. SPEECH. I HAVE A LITTLE SOMETHING. THANK YOU FOR THIS RECOGNITION. IT'S AN HONOR TO RECEIVE A TEN YEAR SERVICE AWARD. AND I TRULY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS ORGANIZATION OVER THE YEARS. DURING MY TIME HERE, I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING ALONGSIDE SOME INCREDIBLY TALENTED INDIVIDUALS AND LEARNING MANY VALUABLE LESSONS.

I'M PROUD OF THE WORK WE'VE DONE IN THE MILESTONES WE'VE REACHED TOGETHER. I WILL ALWAYS LOOK BACK ON THE POSITIVE EXPERIENCES AND THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THIS JOURNEY WORTHWHILE.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE RECOGNITION AND I WISH EVERYONE CONTINUED SUCCESS MOVING FORWARD. IT WAS VERY NICE. THERE'S AN ENVELOPE. OH, HEAVY. AND ALSO TEN YEARS OF SERVICE

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AND ALSO IN UTILITIES AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WITH 15 YEARS OF SERVICE IS BRADLEY HOWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND FINALLY, I'VE HEARD OF HER 15 YEARS OF SERVICE IN HUMAN RESOURCES. SHE'S STRONG. I DO HAVE A LITTLE SOMETHING TO SAY. SO WHEN WE CELEBRATE MILESTONES LIKE THESE, WE ARE ALWAYS REMINDED OF HOW QUICKLY TIME PASSES US BY. I REMEMBER MY INTERVIEW AS IF IT HAPPENED YESTERDAY. I MET WITH OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, JOLIE BOGLIOLI, WHO WAS SECOND IN COMMAND AT THE TIME, AND THE FORMER HR DIRECTOR, LINDA TORPEY. AND I WAS EXCITED TO START MY NEW JOURNEY, AND I'M STILL CAN'T BELIEVE IT WAS 15 YEARS AGO. IT REALLY SEEMS LIKE YESTERDAY. I HAVE AN AMAZING TEAM IN HUMAN RESOURCES, KAREN AND DEBBIE AND MAGGIE AND JAN, ALTHOUGH I ONLY HAVE JAN AT 25% BECAUSE THE CHIEFS DOMINATE THE REST OF HER TIME. SO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF JAN, AND WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING THE NEEDS OF ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND THEIR FAMILIES. I LOOK FORWARD TO COMING TO WORK EVERY DAY AND WORKING ALONGSIDE SUCH TALENTED, DEDICATED AND ENGAGED PEOPLE. TO SAY THAT THE CITY OF STUART EMPLOYS SOME OF THE FINEST WOULD BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT. JUST WALK AROUND AND MEET THEM AND YOU'LL SEE. THIS IS A BIG YEAR OF NUMBERS FOR ME. THIS IS MY 40TH YEAR IN HUMAN RESOURCES, MY 25TH YEAR IN PUBLIC SERVICE, MY 15TH YEAR WITH THE CITY. AND I'LL TURN 60 IN A FEW WEEKS. SO I'M GOING TO PLAY THOSE NUMBERS AND HOPE SOMETHING COMES OUT OF THAT. BUT THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE MY CAREER WITH THE CITY. SHE DID OWN THAT 60. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION APPROVAL PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES. THIS IS A PRESENTATION FROM THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. I THINK JODI'S HIDING BEHIND THE COMPUTER OVER THERE. RIGHT.

JODI, WE NEED TO GIVE HER A HIGHER CHAIR. ARE YOU READY? YES, SIR. OKAY. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JERRY KUGLER. I'M WITH THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. TONIGHT. I'LL BE PRESENTING TO YOU THE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, THE APPROVAL PROCESS AND THE PROCEDURE. THIS IS FOR EACH APPLICATION THAT WE RECEIVE. THIS GOES THROUGH THE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO MOVE THE APPLICATIONS FORWARD. SO WHAT IS THE PURPOSE FOR A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION

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PROMOTE PROMOTE SUSTAINABLE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT, PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AT EACH STAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. FACILITATE THE APPROVAL OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT ALIGN WITH THE COMMUNITY NEEDS IN THE PROCESS. BEGINS WITH A PRE-APPLICATION CONSULTATION, WHERE DEVELOPERS ENGAGE WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND IDENTIFY POTENTIAL OBSTACLES. IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE HAVE 14 DIFFERENT TYPES OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE PROCESS ON A THAT YOU CAN APPLY FOR. SOME OF THEM ARE LIKE MAJOR CODE CONDITIONAL. USE YOUR LARGE SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOUR MINOR DEVELOPMENT PLANS, YOUR PLAT APPLICATIONS. THEY ALL PART OF. THEY ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT PROCESS IN THE CODE AND HOW WE ARE TO APPROACH THEM. IN OUR CODE. WE ALSO HAVE AN EXEMPTION THAT WHEN YOU'RE DOING A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, THAT YOU COULD BE EXEMPT IF YOU DON'T ALTER THE EXISTING BUILDING OR STRUCTURE. SO AS LONG AS CHANGE IS NOT MADE TO THE GROSS FLOOR, IT'S USE AND THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON THE SITE, THE APPLICANT MAY SEEK A CHANGE OF USE OF AN EXISTING BUILDING OR STRUCTURE BY APPLYING FOR ISSUES ON AN OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE, SO LONG AS IT DOES NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT THE FOLLOWING, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO PARKING AND LEVEL OF SERVICE. WE WE ARE RIGHT NOW TAKING THIS LANGUAGE AND WORKING ON A CHANGE OF USE APPLICATION THAT WOULD MEET THE INTENT OF THIS CODE. SO WHEN PEOPLE COME IN OR WHEN FOLKS COME IN OR APPLICANTS THEY WANTED, THEY HAVE AN EXISTING BUILDING AND THEY WANT TO CONVERT IT INTO A USE THAT IS PERMITTED THROUGH THE ZONING CODE. BUT THE BUILDING ITSELF WAS NOT DESIGNED LIKE A RESTAURANT TO A OFFICE BUILDING OR AN OFFICE BUILDING TO A RESTAURANT OR MEDICAL OFFICE. SO IN ZONING, WE LOOK AT ALL THOSE AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN COME UP WITH A CHANGE OF USE APPLICATION SO IT WOULD NOT BURDEN THE APPLICANT.

SO EACH APPLICATION THAT WE RECEIVE THERE IS IN OUR CODE, IT TALKS ABOUT AN APPLICATION REVIEW TIMELINES. WHEN THE CITY FIRST RECEIVES AN APPLICATION, WE CALL WHAT'S CALLED A COMPLETENESS REVIEW. WE HAVE 30 DAYS TO DO A COMPLETENESS REVIEW IN OUR DEPARTMENT. WE'VE KIND OF SET THE GOALS A LITTLE HIGHER. WE TRY TO DO IT WITHIN 5 TO 10 DAYS, SO THE APPLICANT CAN KIND OF KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO SUBMIT, OR IF THEY MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS TO REVIEW THAT APPLICATION. IF THE APPLICANT IS APPLICATION IS DEFICIENT, THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO ADDRESS THE DEFICIENCIES. ONCE THE APPLICANT APPLICATION IS DEEMED COMPLETE, THE CITY HAS 120 DAYS OR 180 DAYS FOR APPLICATIONS THAT REQUIRE FINAL ACTION THROUGH A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING OR PUBLIC HEARING, THE CITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT SHALL ALSO ROUTES THESE APPLICATIONS TO EACH DEPARTMENT FOR DEPARTMENT REVIEW AND SUBMIT, AND THEY ARE TO SUBMIT COMMENTS WITHIN 20 WORKING DAYS AFTER RECEIPT. AND AT THAT TIME, IF THE APPLICANT NEEDS MORE TIME, THEY CAN ASK FOR AN EXTENSION SO THEY DON'T MEET. THEY DON'T GO UP TO THOSE DEADLINES. THIS IS JUST THE FIRST REVIEW FOR COMPLIANCE REVIEW. AND SOMETIMES THE APPLICANT CAN GO TO 2 OR 3 REVIEWS AND THOSE TIMELINES DO APPLY. SO ONCE THE APPLICATION IS CONSIDERED IN COMPLIANCE IT IS DEEMED IN COMPLIANCE OR NOT IN COMPLIANCE. AT THAT POINT, WE WILL MOVE THAT APPLICATION THROUGH THE NEXT PROCESS, WHICH EITHER IS ADMINISTRATIVELY OR IF THEY NEED A PUBLIC HEARING. AND THE DIFFERENT REVIEWING DEPARTMENTS. THESE ARE ALL THE DIFFERENT REVIEWING DEPARTMENTS THAT REVIEW EACH APPLICATION. SO WHEN YOU SUBMIT A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, ALL THESE DEPARTMENTS WILL WEIGH IN ON COMMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE. AND SOME OF THOSE THE FIRST ROUND DOES NOT ALWAYS HAPPEN. TYPICALLY IT'S ABOUT TWO ROUNDS, 2 TO 3 ROUNDS BEFORE THE APPLICANT AND THE CITY WILL DEEM THE APPLICATION IN COMPLIANCE. SO I'M GOING TO SWITCH OVER TO OUR OUR PORTAL, THE OPENGOV PORTAL THAT WE JUST NOW HAVE ROLLED OUT. SO ALL OUR APPLICATIONS ARE ONLINE NOW. SO THE APPLICATION APPLICANT, AS SOON AS THEY SUBMIT IT'S REAL TIME. SO IF WE'RE RESPONDING THE PORTAL IT'S REAL TIME BACK TO THE APPLICANT. THEY CAN CONVERSE BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF. AND I'M JUST GOING TO SHOW YOU HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS. OKAY. SO THIS IS THIS TODAY IS WHAT MY DASHBOARD LOOKS LIKE TODAY. SO IF I GO INTO AND I LOOK AT ALL MY PROJECTS THAT I

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THIS IS GOING TO BE A MARINA WITH A RESTAURANT. OH, I'M SORRY THIS IS THE WRONG ONE.

YEAH. YEAH. THIS I'M SORRY. THIS IS THE RIGHT ONE. SO YOU CAN SEE THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED TO US THROUGH THE PORTAL. THEY CREATED THEIR OWN LOGIN. THEY SUBMITTED. THEY SUBMITTED ON THE ON THE 8TH OF AUGUST, AND OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT PUT THEM IN COMPLIANCE ON AUGUST 14TH. THEY PAID THEIR FEES, AND NOW THEY'RE STARTING THEIR REVIEW PROCESS. SO THIS IS THE FIRST REVIEW THAT WE RECEIVED AND ALL THEIR ATTACHMENTS THAT EACH DEPARTMENT ARE REVIEWING ARE IN INTO THE PORTAL. SO AS YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE FIRST REVIEW. THEY WE WERE ABLE TO GET THIS APPLICATION OUT AND IN COMPLIANCE. AND THEN MOST OF THE APPLICANT OR OR THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS RESPONDED WITHIN 20 DAYS. THE LAST 20 WORKING DAYS, IF YOU CAN SEE THE ONES IN RED, THAT REVIEW NEEDS TO HAVE A SECOND REVIEW, THE ONE IN GREEN. THAT REVIEW HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED. SO NOW WE WHAT WE DO IS MOVE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE WAITING FOR THE APPLICANT TO RESUBMIT FOR THEIR SECOND REVIEW. ADDRESSING THE COMMENTS.

AND YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE THE COMMENTS WITHIN THE APPLICANT INSIDE THE DIFFERENT REVIEWS.

SO THEY SEE THIS IMMEDIATELY. SO AS SOON AS WE PUT THIS IN THERE THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT GETS AN EMAIL NOTIFICATION THAT, HEY, YOUR REVIEW HAS BEEN DONE FOR ENGINEERING AND IT'S EITHER REJECTED OR APPROVED OR NEEDS ADDITIONAL WORK. IN THIS CASE THIS ONE NEEDS ADDITIONAL WORK. AND THIS IS WHAT WAS PROVIDED TO THEM FOR THAT REVIEW. YOU CAN SEE SAME THING WITH THE SURVEY REVIEW. SO IN THE PAST THEY'VE HAD TO WAIT FOR EVERYBODY TO SUBMIT COMMENTS AND FOR THE PLANNER TO PREPARE A REPORT AND GET THAT OUT TO THE THE APPLICANT. THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS NOW DESIGNED IS THAT THEY CAN GO IN THERE AND THEY SAY, OKAY, I SEE THE REVIEW FOR THE SURVEY HAS WAS REJECTED. I NEED TO ADDRESS ALL THESE COMMENTS. SO THE SURVEYOR THEIR SURVEYOR CAN BE WORKING ON THESE THESE COMMENTS WHILE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY'RE WORKING ON THE ON THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING AND THEN THEY CAN RESUBMIT AND IT KEEPS MOVING THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO THIS IS JUST ESSENTIALLY HOW WE'RE TRYING TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. ONCE THIS AS YOU CAN SEE, ONCE IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS IT'LL PREPARE THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER. AND IT GOES THROUGH ALL THESE DIFFERENT OTHER DEPARTMENTS BEFORE IT ACTUALLY GETS CLOSED OUT. ALSO, WE ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE DESIGNED IS IN THIS PORTAL IS AVAILABLE FOR ANYBODY TO REVIEW.

SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AT 50 SOUTH NORTHWEST DIXIE HIGHWAY, THEY CAN CREATE AN ACCOUNT AND LOG IN AND TYPE IN THAT ADDRESS, AND IT WILL GIVE YOU ALL THE ACTIVITY THAT'S HAPPENING ON THIS ADDRESS. AND YOU CAN CLICK IN THERE AND YOU CAN YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. SO THIS IS THEIR ATTACHMENTS. YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. AND THIS IS JUST SHOWING WHAT THEY'RE REVIEWING. ALSO WE HAVE CREATED ANOTHER PORTAL. SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO INTO OUR PORTAL OR CREATE A LOGIN NAME, YOU CAN ALSO GO UNDER OUR WEBSITE. JUST PUT THAT IN THERE FOR YOU. GOING INTO OUR DEPARTMENT AND PLANNING, AND WE JUST TRY TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT PLANNING IS DOING, IN CASE YOU WANT TO KNOW.

SO AND THIS IS THIS IS OUR ACTIVE DASHBOARD THAT SHOWS YOU EVERYTHING IN YELLOW IS PRE-AP IS IN A PRE-APPLICATION STAGE AND EVERYTHING IN PINK IS IN REVIEW RIGHT NOW. AND YOU CAN LITERALLY YOU COULD GO IN HERE AND CLICK ON THESE AND YOU CAN KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S WHAT THAT APPLICATION IS. AND IT TELLS YOU WHAT THE APPLICATION WHO THE PLANNER IS. SO IF YOU WANTED TO CONTACT THE PLANNER AND FIND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION, YOU CAN CONTACT THEM. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO IMPROVE OUR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS. SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO DO IS FIND WAYS TO

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ANYBODY CAN ANYBODY CAN LOG IN. THEY WOULD JUST CREATE A THEY WOULD JUST CREATE AN ACCOUNT.

AND YOU ONLY NEED IT IF YOU HAVE ONE ACCOUNT. SO IF YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT OR YOU HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT OR YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, YOU ONLY HAVE TO CREATE ONE ACCOUNT. EVERYTHING GETS ATTACHED TO THAT ACCOUNT. CAN YOU ACCESS IT WITHOUT HAVING AN ACCOUNT? I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ACCOUNT. SO THEN IF WE WANTED TO, WE'D HAVE TO CREATE AN ACCOUNT. YES, YOU WOULD CREATE IT. AND THAT GOES.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO MAKE IT NOT HAVE AN ACCOUNT WHERE YOU CAN JUST VIEW IT, OR IS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S LIKE A DARING QUESTION, OR MAYBE MIKE WOULD KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR SECURITY, BUT LIKE SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO CREATE AN ACCOUNT. I THINK IT'S AN INCONVENIENCE TO BE ABLE TO VIEW PUBLIC INFORMATION. IN MY OPINION, THOUGH, I CAN CERTAINLY FIND OUT AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT IF YOU HAVE TO CREATE AN ACCOUNT. I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER RIGHT NOW. NO WORRIES. SO IF WE'RE ON THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT ON ON THE CITY SITE. GOT YOUR BUILDING, JUST GOT A BUILDING. BUILDING. BUILDING BACK. BACK UP. YEAH. GOT A BUILDING. OKAY. SO YOU CAN ALSO GO THROUGH THE BUSINESS TAGS TOO. YEAH. YOU CAN GO THROUGH. SO THERE'S A BUTTON ON THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND IT TELLS YOU HOW TO LOG IN OR CREATE AN ACCOUNT RIGHT THERE. OKAY I SEE IT. AND THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN SEE ALL THE COMMENTS. YOU CAN SEE ALL THE ATTACHMENTS. BECAUSE LIKE THE BIGGEST THING THAT I, I HEAR PEOPLE CALL ME ON IS THAT THE PROCESS TAKES A LONG, LONG TIME. RIGHT NOW, OTHER THAN CALLING JODY, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON IT THAT THAT'S LIKE THE BIGGEST

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IT KIND OF GIVES YOU THOSE LITTLE SOFT REMINDERS AND ALSO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IN THAT PROGRAM, THE WHOEVER IS ON THE APPLICATION. AND YOU CAN ADD PEOPLE TO THE APPLICATION. SO EVEN IF YOU'RE JUST NOT THE APPLICANT AND I WANT TO HAVE A, A SURVEYOR FROM THEIR PART BE ON THE APPLICATION SO HE CAN HE OR SHE CAN SEE THE COMMENTS IMMEDIATELY. THEY WILL BE NOTIFIED AS WELL AS A GUEST ON THE APPLICANT. SO EVERYTHING THAT WE ADD INTO THE APPLICATION OR WE UPDATE IS LIVE. SO THEY SEE IT IMMEDIATELY AND SO THEY CAN UPLOAD THINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, AS OPPOSED TO COMING IN WITH THE NINE SETS OF PLANS AND THE CHECK AND, YOU KNOW, WAITING FOR US TO PROCESS IT, WHICH COULD TAKE TWO WEEKS AND JUST TO PROCESS THE INFORMATION. SO I DO BELIEVE THAT NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS UP AND RUNNING, IT'S HELPED. I KNOW IT'S HELPED MY STAFF AND HELPED ME KNOW WHERE WHERE WE ARE IN THOSE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS AND WHAT WE ARE WAITING FOR. AND THEN IT'S VERY NICE BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER, THE APPLICANT CAN CAN EMAIL US BACK AND FORTH IN THERE AS WELL. AND THAT COMES

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JODI AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT PROPOSING TO THE COMMISSION TO HAVE A AN EXCEPTION FORM, OR IF SOMETHING'S BELOW 2000FT■!S. ANI HAVE AN EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A HOUSE ON DENVER STREET THAT WAS CURRENTLY A RESIDENTIAL USE, BUT IT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL, AND THERE'S A PERSON THAT WANTED TO GO INTO IT AND RENT IT AND HAVE IT BE A PLACE THAT SELLS KIND OF STONE AND NEW AGE TYPE STUFF AND DO MASSAGES, I GUESS, OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. AND IT WOULD REQUIRE A CHANGE OF USE, BUT THEY COULD TAKE UP TO 90 TO 120 DAYS, AND THIS PERSON WASN'T EVEN GOING TO CHANGE THE COLOR OF THE PAINT. WOW. AND SO THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF OVERKILL TO REVIEW A BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY IN EXISTENCE, THAT'S SITTING VACANT. THAT'S NOT THAT HAS THE PARKING LOT IN PLACE, HAS EVERYTHING IN PLACE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO FORMULATE A METHOD TO ALLOW THAT TYPE OF PROCEDURE TO BE EXPEDITED SO IT CAN GO IN, GET AN INSPECTION FROM THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, AND IF IT MEETS THE BUILDING CODE FOR WHATEVER THAT NEW USE IS TO BE ABLE TO GO STRAIGHT THROUGH. BUT WE'LL BRING THAT BACK WITH THE WORKSHOP AS WELL. OKAY. SO YOU WILL UNDERTAKE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. MR. THAT WILL BE.

ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. OKAY. I WAS THINKING, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKELY DO IT AS MORE OF AN AGENDA ITEM, BRING IT BACK DURING THE MEETING AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANY LAND USE OR ANY ZONING, IT'S LITERALLY JUST GOING TO BE THE PROCESS OR PROCEDURE OF THE REVIEW. THE RULES WILL ALL STILL STAY IN PLACE AND THE DENSITIES WILL BE THE SAMEME. IT WOULD JUST BE HOW ARE THE TIMING AND HOW THE DEPARTMENTS REVIEW IT IF WE MIKE, IF WE DO IT LIKE THAT THOUGH, ARE PEOPLE GOING TO BE LIMITED AND IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE PODIUM? THAT'S MY CONCERN BECAUSE I, I, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY. IF THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO BE DONE. I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE IT BE A FAIRLY SELECT AUDIENCE, PROBABLY. IT'S PEOPLE WHO DO IT FOR A LIVING, SO WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM AT LENGTH. I THINK I LIKE SIT DOWN WITH THEM. YEAH. DO YOU WANT ALL FIVE COMMISSIONERS TO BE PRESENT AS A WORKSHOP, THE COMMISSION, OR DO YOU WANT IT TO BE A PUBLIC WORKSHOP WHERE STAFF RECEIVES THE INFORMATION, IN YOUR OPINION, WHICH ONE, WHICH ONE'S MORE SUCCESSFUL? I GUESS I SHOULD SAY DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES. WELL, A LOT OF TIMES, A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL DO WORKSHOPS AND LET THE PUBLIC BRING IN COMMENTS, AND THEN WE BRING THAT INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSION SO WE CAN DO IT. HOWEVER, WHATEVER IS YOUR WHATEVER'S YOUR PREFERENCE, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THEN YOU PROBABLY WANT TO BE PRESENT FOR IT. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE CAN PUT THAT TOGETHER. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JODY? THANK YOU JODY. THANK YOU JODY. THANK YOU. OKAY. BEFORE WE GET INTO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING? OKAY I'D LIKE TO GO FIRST. I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE CHIEF TO ASSUMING THESE ARE OUR FOUR NEW FIREFIGHTERS. ALRIGHT. SO THIS COMMISSION DID SOMETHING PRETTY UNIQUE RECENTLY. ALMOST ALL OF US SUPPORTED A MILLAGE AND BUDGET THAT LOWERED TAXES, CUT UNNECESSARY SPENDING, AND PRIORITIZE PUBLIC SAFETY ALL IN ONE. SO I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE THESE FOUR NEW GUYS. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, I CAN INTRODUCE THEM AS THEY'RE COMING UP. IT'S TIMOTHY LYONS, THOMAS COX, LET'S GO, BRIAN PERTUSA AND CHADWICK VAN DIKE. YEAH. YOUNG. SPEECH. I'M GLAD YOU GUYS ARE ON BOARD.

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[COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS]

SO I KNOW I ASKED FOR THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 TO COME BACK. I JUST I JUST ASK FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE RESPECTFUL. IT'S IT'S NOT ANYTHING TOWARDS MIKE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S ALL I ASK FOR FROM THE PUBLIC TONIGHT. THANKS. OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOB. I ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING BUT RECENTLY CAME TO MY ATTENTION. THE ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY REPORTS TO THE COMMISSIONERS. WE REALLY NEED A WAY IN PLACE THAT EACH COMMISSIONER KNOWS WHAT THE OTHERS AT LEAST THINKING. SO WE NEED TO HAVE A PROCESS. AND USUALLY IT TAKES PLACE HERE ON THE DAIS SINCE WE CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER. BUT BEFORE COMMISSIONER APPROACHES THE ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY WITH SOMETHING, I'M NOT TALKING ANYTHING MINOR. I KNOW I REACHED OUT TO HER REGARDING OFFICE FURNITURE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT ANYTHING ELSE I THINK REALLY SHOULD GO THROUGH ALL OF US. WE COULD DISCUSS IT, AND THEN IT EITHER CAN BE TALKED HERE OR, YOU KNOW, ONE COMMISSIONER OR THE MAYOR CAN SPEAK TO THE ATTORNEY AT THE TIME AFTER WE'VE DISCUSSED IT. BUT I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING IS, I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW THE MAYOR RECENTLY APPROACHED THE ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY AND I WASN'T AWARE OF IT, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF AN IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE ALL BEEN AWARE OF. AND THAT ISSUE WAS JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. I'M CURIOUS NOW, OKAY, BECAUSE I SPOKE WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY. WE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION, OKAY. BUT IT WAS REGARDING. YOU REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? ARE YOU GOING TO ACT LIKE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT? I SPEAK TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY AND THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY, I MEAN, BECAUSE TOM CAN. PENNY KNEW WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BIOSOLIDS ISSUE.

REALLY? YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. OH, YOU MEAN THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF.

YEAH, THAT WOULD BE IT. THAT WOULD BE IT WOULD I THINK THAT I AM I HAVE TO KNOW, AFTER I READ THE NEWS ARTICLE, I DID RELAY THAT INFORMATION TO HER FROM TOM THAT HAD BEEN MENTIONED IN THE NEWSLETTER IN THE TRANSIT NEIGHBORS. TOM KNEW IT BEFORE YOU DID. YEAH.

INTERESTING. YEAH. AND SINCE MR. PENNY DOES NOT SIT ON THIS COMMISSION, NOR IS HE INVOLVED IN THE CITY IN ANY WAY, I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THAT IS WHAT YOUR CONVERSATION WITH THE ATTORNEY. AND I WOULD BE CURIOUS WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BECAUSE I'M SURE RUTH DIDN'T GO TO HIM WITH THAT INFORMATION AND TRYING TO STIR THE POT. SO THAT'S CURIOUS. I, I JUST BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ACCUSATIONS BECAUSE BECAUSE THIS COMMISSION WORKED HARD TO MAKE HER POSITION AND HER BEING HERE A PRIORITY, AND NOT ALL OF US WERE ON THE SAME PAGE. SO WHAT IT FEELS LIKE AT THIS POINT IS THAT THERE MAY BE SOME OF US, AFTER THE FACT, TRYING TO SUBVERT HER FROM DOING HER JOB. WOW. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S YOU'RE INCORRECT. I WOULD BE COMPLETELY INCORRECT. BUT GOING BACK TO WHAT I REQUESTED WAS THE FACT THAT THAT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. EVEN IF IT WAS NOT MEANT TO HAPPEN. WE SHOULD ALL AT LEAST DISCUSS SOMETHING PRIOR TO THAT. THAT KIND OF CONVERSATION COMING UP WITH ATTORNEY HOLMES, IT WAS IN THE NEWSLETTER. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATES WHICH I SPOKE TO HER, IT WAS AFTER THE NEWSLETTER HAD BEEN PUBLISHED. I DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE KIND OF RUNNING THE CITY BASED ON NOT SO FRIENDLY NEIGHBORS NEWSLETTER, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER STORY.

OKAY. ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT WHEN ANY COMMISSIONER, NOT JUST YOU, ANY COMMISSIONER HAS SOMETHING OF OF THAT LEVEL WANTS TO SPEAK TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY, I THINK WE SHOULD ALL AT LEAST KNOW THAT'S ALL. I MEAN, IF I DID THIS AND YOU WOULD NOT BE KIND OF UPSET THAT I WENT AND SPOKE TO HER, AND YOU HAD NO IDEA. MIKE, DID YOU GO TO TOM ABOUT IT? NO. SO SOMETHING'S GOING ON. SOMETHING SMELLS FUNNY. THIS IS GOOD. I WAS I ACTUALLY DIDN'T READ THE WHOLE STORY. I DIDN'T EVEN READ THE ARTICLE. SO WHO DOESN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE ARTICLE? WHAT? EVERYBODY READS IT. WOW. YOU NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THESE ACCUSATIONS.

YOU NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL. OBVIOUSLY, YOU READ IT, MAYOR. READ. NO, I DO READ THE NEWSLETTER. I ALSO READ THE STUART NEWS. OH, YEAH? WELL, THAT. OKAY. HEY, HEY, HEY.

EXCUSE ME. ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS IN THE FUTURE. I THINK THAT WHEN IT'S SOMETHING OF OF THAT

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THANK YOU. YES, THIS IS OPEN GOVERNMENT. SOMEBODY'S LYING. UNBELIEVABLE. COMMISSIONER CLARK, DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REMARKS, COMMISSIONER? YES IT DOES. OKAY. I WAS JUST GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH WITH COMMISSIONER JOB. IS IT THE COMMUNICATION WITH THE.

ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY? I KNOW THAT I HAVE A WEEKLY MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER. I SPEAK TO MR. BAGGETT AS NEEDED, AND I SPEAK TO MISS HOLMES AS NEEDED. BUT I DID PROMISE, MISS HOLMES THAT I WAS GOING TO INCLUDE HER IN MY WEEKLY TIME. WHEN I SPEAK TO THE CITY MANAGER, I JUST DO THE NEXT HOUR OR HALF AN HOUR FOR HER. BUT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE SHOULD GAUGE WHAT LEVEL IF SOMEBODY IS BRINGING UP SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED TO BRING IT UP TO THE TO THE ENTIRE BODY? BUT I YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT I MEAN, I SPEAK TO THEM ALL THE TIME, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF EVERY TIME I SPEAK TO THEM, I DON'T THINK I NEED TO SOMETHING OF THIS LEVEL WHERE YOU'RE SAYING THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

YEAH. WOULDN'T YOU LIKE TO HAVE KNOWN THAT BEFORE THE. YEAH, I, I, I DIDN'T YES OR NO. YES. YOU FIND OUT ABOUT IT. YEAH. NO. YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW AHEAD OF TIME. YEAH. AND IF WE HAD THIS KIND OF DISCUSSION, WE'D KNOW THAT HE WAS GOING TO SAY OR OR HE WOULD SAY IT HERE SAYING.

AND I'M NOT SINGLING YOU OUT, MA'AM. ANY OF US SAYING, WELL, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD ALL DISCUSS. AND IT IT DOES INVOLVE THE, THE ATTORNEY HOLMES, THAT THE REASON IS IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T REPORT TO THE CITY MANAGER. SHE REPORTS TO US. CORRECT. AND FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, WE NEED TO BE LIKE COHESIVE. WE NEED TO KNOW WHETHER IT'S FOR OR AGAINST SOMETHING. WE ALL NEED TO KNOW IT BEFORE THE CONVERSATION GOES TO THE ATTORNEY OR TO TOM CAMP. PENNY, I WOULD JUST TOM PENNY, WHICHEVER GOES FIRST. MR. CAMP, PENNY IS JUST A NEWS SOURCE. HE'S NO DIFFERENT THAN MR. BURBANK. HE'S NOT A NEW SOURCE.

I BEG TO DIFFER. I'M GOING TO ARGUE ON THAT. HE IS AN OPINION PERSON. IT'S HIS OPINION. IT'S NOT A NEWS SOURCE. YEAH. YOU WILL HAVE YOUR OPPORTUNITY. YOU HAVE TO SUBSCRIBE TO READ HIS STUFF OR OH, HE SENDS IT TO ME FREELY. I DON'T ALWAYS READ IT BECAUSE IT IS HIS OPINION. BUT YOU ALL KNOW I DON'T THINK MUCH OF HIS OPINION, BUT HE'S NOT A NEWS SOURCE TO THAT POINT.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRYING TO TALK TO AND AGAIN, TO REITERATE, YOU KNOW, RUTH, MIKE LEE, THESE ARE THREE CHARTERED POSITIONS THAT WORK FOR US DIRECTLY. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOING TO THEM TO TRY TO WRESTLE WITH AND CLARIFY A MATTER, AND THEN IT SOMEHOW ENDING UP BEFORE IT EVER EVEN HITS THE DAIS OUT TO TO TCPALM OR TO TOM CAMP. WELL, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW. SO IF IT'S IN GOOD FAITH AND THAT REALLY IS THE, THE GOAL, THIS, THIS KIND OF A THING I HOPE WILL NOT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE WHEN IT'S THESE THREE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR US DIRECTLY AND THAT WE ARE. THIS MAY SOUND A LITTLE PATRIARCHAL, BUT WE THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR US DIRECTLY, THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR, THAT WE SHOULD PROTECT AND HAVE WORKING AND DOING THEIR JOB AND HAVING THEM BE A POLITICAL FOOTBALL, I THINK, IS WILDLY INAPPROPRIATE. AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW RUTH WANTS NOTHING MORE THAN TO JUST BE ABLE TO DO HER JOB. THIS IS SOMETHING SHE'S REALLY DEDICATED TO. AND SO I DON'T WANT HER TO BE EVEN MILDLY DEFLATED ABOUT THIS KIND OF POLITICAL NONSENSE BY, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT HAVE THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS JOB SHOULD EXIST FROM THE BEGINNING. SO I HOPE THAT KIND OF THING WILL END GOING FORWARD. WHOEVER'S RESPONSIBLE, WHOEVER THE RAT MIGHT BE. AND I'LL END MY COMMENTS WITH THAT. THE NOT SO FRIENDLY NEIGHBORS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE TERM RAT. THIS WAS MADE OF. HE HAS, MISS RUDGE. IS IT? THERE'S 33,000 PEOPLE RECEIVE HIS EMAIL COMMUNICATION. OH, WHEN I READ IT, YOU'RE RIGHT. I WENT TO TO MISS HOLMES.

I WAS NOT AWARE SHE HAD THAT POSITION. AND I WAS MADE A MAYOR AND SAID THAT THERE WAS A POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST. I DO NOT SEE THAT AS SUBVERTING HER AT ALL. SO TOM CAN. PENNY WAS THE ONLY SOURCE OF A POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT YOU KNOW OF THE. I'LL LITIGATE WITH YOU RIGHT HERE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? SOURCE? WAS THAT THE ONLY PERSON THAT YOU'VE TALKED TO THAT RAISED THE POSSIBILITY OF A POTENTIAL? I WAS NOT AWARE ANSWER THE QUESTION, WAS THAT THE ONLY PERSON NOT AWARE OF HER POSITION ON THE PALMER BOARD UNTIL IT TOM PUT IT IN HIS NEWSLETTER, AND THAT'S THE ONLY PERSON THAT HAS RAISED A POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT I KNOW OF THAT THAT YOU HAVE TALKED TO AT THIS POINT. I ALSO TALKED TO, OKAY, I TALKED TO SOMEONE AT THE COUNTY AFTER AFTER OUR JOINT MEETING AND

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I TALKED TO SOME ATTORNEY FRIENDS. OH, OKAY. AFTER THE NEWSLETTER TRANSPARENCY. DON'T YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF WHETHER THE CONFLICT EXISTS OR NOT? I THINK WE SHOULD BE. WE SHOULD BE IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. NOT TOM CAMPAIGNING. RIGHT. NOT TOM CAMPAIGNING. AND CONSIDERING YOU'RE NOT SURE THAT ALL OF US READ THE NOT SO FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR, WE SHOULD HAVE ALL KNOWN BEFORE YOU TOOK IT UPON YOURSELF TO APPROACH WHAT? TO COMMUNICATE THAT. TO COMMUNICATE THAT YOU THINK IT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST? I DIDN'T SAY I. I SAID IT SAID IT WAS POTENTIALLY A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CONFLICT. I THINK YOU SHOULD GET SOME ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A SUNSHINE VIOLATION AND WHAT WAS BEING COMMUNICATED. WE SHOULD PROBABLY NOT HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ON THE DAIS, BECAUSE I WOULD JUST LIKE SOMEBODY WAS COMMUNICATING. WE ALL KNOW IF SOMEBODY WAS COMMUNICATING WHAT ANOTHER COMMISSIONER SAID TO ANOTHER COMMISSIONER, WE COULD BE IMPLEMENTING OURSELVES TO A CRIME. AND I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER THAT WE HOLD OFF ON THAT. COMMISSIONERS, I KNOW I DON'T TALK TO THE MAYOR, I DON'T TALK. I THINK WE MADE OURSELVES CLEAR. YES. JUST GOING FORWARD, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE WHERE WE, THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS, ALL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BEFORE IT'S BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF. THAT'S FAIR. YES IT IS. IT'S FAIR TO SAY ON ANY ISSUE WITH ANY WITH ANY OF OUR THREE DIRECT, WITH ANY OF OUR THREE DIRECT EMPLOYEES. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE TO BE TREATED EQUALLY. I MISSED THE FIRST PART. SORRY, MA'AM. SO ON ANY ISSUE WITH ANY OF OUR THREE DIRECT EMPLOYEES BEFORE WE GO TO THAT EMPLOYEE, BE IT MR. MORTEL, MR. OR MISS HOLMES, YOU HAVE TO BRING IT UP ON THE DAIS. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? REALLY? I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS THE WHERE IS WHAT IS THE MINOR THINGS DO NOT NEED TO BE. I MEAN, THAT'S BEFORE IT GOES TO TOM CAMP OR GOES TO TOM CAMP. YOU'RE SAYING I, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE MAYOR. THE CITY MANAGER? YES, AND MOVE ON.

I'M NOT GOING TO JUST. LET'S KEEP IN MIND THAT WE ON MAJOR THINGS. WE SHOULD ALL BE AWARE.

THAT'S ALL. SOMEBODY SOMEBODY READ. OKAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. JUST ENOUGH. I THINK THAT'S AN INAPPROPRIATE CHARACTERIZATION, MR. VICE MAYOR. OKAY, JUST I DON'T YOU.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REMARKS, COMMISSIONER CLARK? YOU WERE YOU WERE YOU WERE SPEAKING. OH, NO, YOU WERE SPEAKING. NO, NO, NO, YOU WOULD RESPOND. ALL RIGHT. OH, I JUST RESPONDED TO YOU. OKAY. SO COMMENTS FOR TODAY, THE 13TH OF OCTOBER. I JUST WANTED TO COMMEND I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S HERE TODAY. I DON'T SEE HIM. MR. OH YEAH. PETE. YEAH. HE'S HERE. OUR UTILITIES DIRECTOR. WE HAD A GREAT CEREMONY TO DEDICATE OUR UTILITY BUILDING RIGHT BEHIND THE COURTHOUSE THERE, THE RECLAMATION FACILITY IN THE NAME OF MICHAEL ANTHONY GOLDBERG. AND THAT FACILITY HAS GONE FROM BEING SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY KNEW ABOUT BECAUSE IT WAS A SMELLY PLACE. BUT THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH CHANGES AND SO MUCH INNOVATIVE WORK DONE IN THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT AND THE RECLAMATION DEPARTMENT, AND JUST SEEING THE FAMILY AND KNOWING THAT THIS GENTLEMAN WAS RECOGNIZED. I KNOW IT'S HARD TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS, BUT I THINK IT WAS VERY WORTHY. AND I JUST WANT TO COMMEND MR. EUGENE AND HIS STAFF AND ALL OF US.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SHANNON. I KEEP MIXING UP YOUR USE AND EASE AND I PUT TO YOU BEFORE YOUR. OKAY OKAY. SO. I'VE HAD A COMPLAINT OR REPORT ABOUT A RIGHT OF WAY ISSUE. AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE GONE OVER THIS BEFORE BECAUSE I EVEN HAD ISSUES ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY BEHIND MY HOME. THAT WAS MANY YEARS AGO. BUT I KNOW THAT I THINK SINCE THE MID 2000, PROBABLY EVEN BEFORE I WAS ON THE COMMISSION. AND THEN AGAIN, IT WAS REITERATED SOMETIME AFTERWARDS REGARDING HOW RIGHT OF WAYS ARE CLEANED UP AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN AND WHAT THE STAFF BURDEN IS AND WHAT THE BURDEN OF THE HOMEOWNER IS, AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY THAT COULD BE A REVOCABLE USE OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY BY THE RESIDENT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ADDED TO THEIR TITLE FOR THE OWNERSHIP OF THE LAND. BUT THEY COULD HAVE REVOCABLE USE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AND DO CERTAIN THINGS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND HOWEVER,

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IT ALSO STOPS A LOT OF DEBRIS. SO YOU'LL FIND DEBRIS IN THOSE AREAS. BUT THAT HAS COME UP TO ME FROM A RESIDENT, AND I KNOW THAT MR. MARTEL DID AN EXCELLENT JOB RESPONDING BACK TO THAT. COMMENT. AND IF WE EVER NEED TO HAVE ANYTHING, MAYBE JODY IN HER DEPARTMENT OR SOMEBODY ELSE ONCE IN A WHILE, IF WE NEED TO DO A OR EVEN IN THE NEWSPAPER OR THE STUART PUBLICATION, PUT OUT SOME NOTICES OR INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY KNOW SOME OF THESE THINGS, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY BEHIND MY HOUSE? OR WHAT CAN I DO? OR WHAT ARE THE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT HELP THE PUBLIC SOMEWHAT, BUT I DO APPLAUD MR. MARTEL FOR HIS RESPONSE. AND LIKE I SAID, IF THE DEPARTMENTS WANT TO DO SOMETHING, A LITTLE SMALL WHITE PAPER AND PUBLISH IT EVERY SO OFTEN, OR PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE AS A FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS, THEY CAN DO THAT. THE OTHER THING IS THIS IS A 100 YEAR OF MARTIN COUNTY, AND TOMORROW NIGHT AT THE FLAGLER CENTER, THERE WILL BE A PRESENTATION FOR STUART HERITAGE ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY IN HOBE SOUND, FLORIDA. AND THAT WHOLE AREA USED TO BE ALL OWNED BY AFRICAN AMERICANS, WITH FRUIT FARMS AND VEGETABLE FARMS IN THAT AREA. AND SO THEY HAVE A VERY GOOD GRASP OF THE HISTORY. AND THEY'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT TOMORROW NIGHT NEXT DOOR AT THE FLAGLER CENTER, 7 P.M. 7 P.M. THAT'S IT. I HAVE NO NO OTHER MAYOR RICH, I HAD A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER CLARK. OKAY, SO FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, YOU WANT THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO SEND OUT HOW HOW THE CITY MAINTAINS RIGHT OF WAY? NO, THAT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION OF A FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTION. IF IF PEOPLE WANTED TO DO THAT, THE EMAIL THAT CAME IN. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. IF IF JODY AND THEM WANTED TO COME UP WITH FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS AT THE CITY, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY OR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE SO THEY COULD DEVELOP A WHITE PAPER ON THAT WITH JUST A FEW BULLET POINTS? YEAH, I REMEMBER SEEING THAT EMAIL AS WELL. AND THAT WAS FROM MR. JUST FOR THE RECORD, THIS PARTICULAR ONE WAS FROM FAYE JAMES, WHICH WHO LIVES RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE COMMUNITY GARDEN, WHICH WE DEDICATED TO THE HOUSE OF HOPE. AND THEN THERE'S A PROPERTY THAT GOES BACK TO THE RAILROAD TRACK AND THEN TO THE TAYLOR PROPERTY. YEAH, I, I GOT THAT EMAIL ALSO THE, THE TAYLOR PROPERTY HAS SOME OF IT. AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE THAT GOES TO THE RAILROAD TRACK, WHO, WHO OWNS THAT? MIKE I FORGOT AND THERE WERE PRIVATE PEOPLE WANT HOMES BACK THERE. THIS IS THE ISSUE. THAT WAS THE QUESTION WAS THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WAS OWNED BY THE CITY THAT RAN DIRECTLY BEHIND HER PROPERTY, OUTSIDE OF HER FENCE. THAT HAS NOT BEEN MAINTAINED. YEAH. AS GRASS SINCE 2008. YEAH.

AND SO IT WAS A POLICY THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2008 TO LEAVE A LOT OF THE RIGHT OF WAYS IN THEIR NATURAL HABITAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER, BUT LAST FALL, IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER, SOMEONE TOOK A CLOSER LOOK AT THE EAST. STUART OVERLAY ZONE. AND ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THAT CAME OUT OF ONE OF THE WORKSHOPS WAS TO BUILD A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OVER THE SMITH TURNER LAKE TOWARD HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE, WHERE STUART MIDDLE IS, AND THEN THE VERY FIRST STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE. THERE'S A RIGHT OF WAY THAT WENT BETWEEN HOMES FOR ABOUT FOUR BLOCKS. AND IN IT IT SAID, SOMEDAY, IN THE FUTURE, THIS COULD BE A BIKE PATH OR PEDESTRIAN PATH, AND IT NEVER WENT ANYWHERE. NOBODY DID ANYTHING WITH IT. BUT WITHIN A MONTH OR SO WE HAD ABOUT 20 PHONE CALLS, AND ALL THESE NEIGHBORS WERE VERY UPSET THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE CUTTING DOWN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND CLEARING IT, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT WANT PEOPLE IN BETWEEN THEIR HOMES IN THIS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AREA. SO IT'S A IT'S THERE'S A BALANCE THERE. SOME PEOPLE WANT THE RIGHT OF WAYS TO BE USED AS ALLEYS. AND THEY HAVE OVER HERE LIKE ON CAMDEN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. OTHERS WANT TREES AND NATURAL GROWTH IN THE RIGHT OF WAYS. BUT WHEN THERE'S POWER LINES AND OR UTILITIES, A LOT OF

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NOT THERE WAS NO PORTION OF IT TOUCHING HER PROPERTY, AND WE WERE TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT WE CAN'T MAINTAIN IT ONE WAY FOR ONE PERSON AND THEN ANOTHER WAY FOR ANOTHER. IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED SITUATION THAT WOULD REQUIRE NEW POLICIES AND BUDGETING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF ONE PERSON WANTS IT, MONA'S GRASS, AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE SAYS, WELL, I'D LIKE IT TO BE ORNAMENTAL TREES, OR I'D LIKE IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS, WE GO DOWN THAT SLIPPERY SLOPE BECAUSE THE POWER COMPANY, ARE THEY RESPONSIBLE? NOT AT ALL, NOT AT ALL. THEY'LL TRIM IT IF YOU CALL THEM. IF YOU IF IT GETS INTO THE POWER LINES AND THEY DO WHAT THEY CALL HAT RACKING, THEY JUST COME AND CUT THE TREES RIGHT OFF AS LIKE A SQUARE. AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'LL KILL THE TREES. SO WE TRY TO AVOID TREES THAT THAT GET THAT TALL AND THAT BIG. BUT AGAIN THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE THEY SPREAD JUST IN WILD IN FLORIDA. SO THEY START GROWING UP. BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF RIGHT OF WAYS. AND IN FACT, I CAN BRING BACK SOME LISTS AT A MEETING FOR YOU.

YEAH, I PRINTED THAT OFF BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN YOUR RESPONSE TO HER. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE DONE ONE YET. DID SHE DID JAMES AND I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH A LOT. WE'RE TRYING I MEAN, EVERYTHING'S GREAT. AND AND MILTON ACTUALLY OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN PRETTY GOOD ABOUT LIKE, MAINTAINING LIKE A THREE FOOT PATH ON THE OUTSIDE OF HER FENCE. BUT IT BECOMES VERY BURDENSOME ON THE STAFF. AND AGAIN, IT'S IGNORING A SPECIAL BENEFIT TO ONE PERSON WHEN YOU'RE NOT DOING IT FOR EVERYBODY. SO IT'S AN IMBALANCE THAT CAN BE DIFFICULT. THANK YOU. WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY IT'S IT'S HALLOWEEN. I DIDN'T SEE ANY NOTICE ABOUT THE HOBGOBLIN OR ANYTHING, BUT MAYBE I'M OUT OF THE NOTICE LOOP. THE COMMUNITY CENTER. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING? JESSICA? IT'S ON THE BOARD. IT'S ON THE GOING FORWARD. OKAY. THANKS. OKAY. VICE MAYOR WILL BE THERE. THE VICE MAYOR NORMALLY.

NORMALLY. YOU'RE SPEAKING. YEAH, SHE'S SIGNING ME UP. MR. MARTEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS THIS EVENING? I DO FIRST. LAST WEEK THERE WAS AN ENTITY. I DON'T HAVE ITS FORMAL NAME, BUT I THINK IT'S REFERRED TO AS TEA AND SPICE. THAT WAS HEARD BEFORE THE CRB. THAT'S ON YOUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. THEY HAVE REQUESTED THAT THEY BE CONTINUED TO A DATE CERTAIN IN NOVEMBER. I DON'T HAVE THE DATE, BUT I THINK JODY WILL WHEN THE AGENDA COMES UP. I'LL JUST I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP FOR YOUR ATTENTION NOW. OVER THE WEEKEND, WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL REGARDING THE CONDITION OF THE CROSSWALKS IN DOWNTOWN STUART, AND I'D GOTTEN SOME OTHER FEEDBACK FROM SOME OTHER PEOPLE, AND I MENTIONED THIS IN THE LAST OR FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, I THINK. BUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA, USING SENATE BILL 1662 AND FDOT. REQUIRED THAT ALL CITIES AND COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA REMOVE ANY STREET ART OR ANY OTHER PAINTING OF CROSSWALKS, AND FDOT FUNDS WOULD BE WITHHELD FROM THE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS IF THEY DIDN'T REMOVE THAT. WE HAD SOME CROSSWALKS IN DOWNTOWN AND IN THE MIDDLE OF DOWNTOWN THAT WERE BLUE AND HAD SOME OTHER STUFF, AND ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK THAT WAS WHAT THEY WERE SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO, WE DID RECEIVE A DIRECT NOTICE FROM FDOT TO REMOVE THOSE, AND MILTON DID SO AT THE SAME TIME. WE'RE ALSO UNDERGROUNDING THE POWER IN ON FLAGLER AND ON SEMINOLE. SO THEY WERE PUTTING SOME CONDUIT IN THAT CENTER MEDIAN. SO WE DIDN'T REPLANT IT AND RE MULCH IT BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WOULD GET TORN BACK UP AS WE DID THE LANDSCAPING THING. I MENTIONING IT JUST BECAUSE IF PEOPLE ASK YOU ABOUT IT, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING IT IN A POOR CONDITION. WE JUST DON'T WANT TO DUPLICATE THE SERVICE AND SPEND THE MONEY TO PUT THAT STUFF RIGHT BACK IN, TO TEAR IT RIGHT BACK OUT. ALSO, THE. PROJECT LIFT HAS BEGUN CONSTRUCTION AND HAS RAISED THE CAR WASH AND STRIP PLAZA ON THE CORNER OF TARPON AND MLK BOULEVARD. SO YOU'LL PROBABLY NOTICE A CONSTRUCTION FENCE AROUND THAT, BUT THAT IS GOING

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[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (Non-Agenda Related) (3 Minutes Max.)]

I HAVE TWO THINGS TO ADDRESS TONIGHT. THE FIRST THING IS TO THANK MR. RUDGE. COULD YOU JUST PUSH THAT CLOSER TO YOU? IS THAT BETTER? OKAY. I HAVE TWO THINGS TO ADDRESS TONIGHT. THE FIRST THING IS TO THANK GOD FOR THE PEACE IN GAZA AND THE RETURN OF THE HOSTAGES. THE SECOND THING IS, I DON'T REALLY APPROVE OF REHIRING OF THE CURRENT CITY MANAGER. I KNOW HIM TO BE A FRAUD WHO HAS MISLED AND LIED TO THIS VERY COMMISSION ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, AND I HAVE DOCUMENTATION THAT CAN BACK THAT UP. I DON'T THINK HE'S SUITABLE OR FIT FOR THE POSITION AND IS WAY OVERPAID AND WAY. MISTRUST A LOT OF IT.

HE'S BETRAYED THE TRUST THAT PEOPLE HAVE PLACED IN HIM AS A PUBLIC OFFICIAL, AND I DON'T THINK HE SHOULD BE REHIRED. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. NEXT, I HAVE KAREN HALL. YOST. RUDGE.

GOOD EVENING, KAREN HALL. YOST RUDGE, 1701 SOUTHWEST PALM CITY ROAD. AND MAYOR. YOU CAN CALL ME MISS HALL. OH. I'M SORRY. YEAH, I DON'T GO BY RUDGE. OKAY. BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO ALSO SAY THAT I'M SO GRATEFUL THE HOSTAGES ARE HOME, AND IT'S A VERY SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS. WHAT MR. MARTEL HAS DONE TO SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND I KNOW HE'S HARMED MY FAMILY AND AND PUT US THROUGH THE FIRE. BUT MY CHILDREN DON'T EVEN SMELL LIKE

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THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS ARE BASED ON MY PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS AND EXPERIENCES OF HIS CHOICES AND ACTIONS, AND THEY ARE INTENDED WITH RESPECT AND CONSTRUCTIVE INTENTION. IT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE OVER THE PAST YEARS THAT MR. MORTEL AND HIS ROLE AS CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER OPERATES FROM A POSITION OF PERSONAL PERSONAL AGENDA MORE THAN REPRESENTATION OF THE PUBLIC AT LARGE. AND I'VE TOLD HIM AS MUCH IN THE PAST. CORRESPONDENCES. SOME EXAMPLES CAN OR COULD, WHERE HE APPEARED TO BE THE DEVELOPER'S ATTORNEY, REPRESENTING SPECIAL INTERESTS OVER COMMUNITY. EVEN WHEN THE ALJ HAD JUDGED THE CITY'S ACTIONS AS INAPPROPRIATE, HIS QUESTIONABLE ALLIANCE AND INFORMATION FEED FOR LOCAL PROPAGANDA MEDIA SUCH AS FRIENDS AND SOMETHING QUESTIONABLE, NEGOTIATIONS REGARDING A BRIGHTLINE STATION, QUESTIONABLE ELECTION SIGNAGE, REMOVAL POLICIES THAT APPEAR TO FAVOR THE INCUMBENTS OVER THE CHALLENGERS, QUESTIONABLE JUDGMENT IN DEALING WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. I'VE LEFT THE NAMES INCOMPLETE TO PROTECT THEM, BUT SOME EXAMPLES ARE MISS LINDA, MISS ROBIN, MISS SARAH, THE HAMILTONS AND EXTENDED FAMILIES. OF ALL THOSE FOLKS. YOU CAN CONTACT ME IF YOU NEED FURTHER ELABORATION. SO MY PRAYER IS THAT YOU ALL BE FILLED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD'S WILL AND ALL WISDOM AND SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES FOR THE WELL-BEING OF THE COMMUNITIES YOU SERVE. I BELIEVE IT IS TIME FOR A CHANGE IN FRESH PERSPECTIVE, WHICH MORE CLOSELY REFLECTS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED YOU, WHETHER IT BE IN POLICY OR PERSONNEL. THANK YOU. I WILL. LAUGHLIN. GOOD EVENING. I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO SERVE ON THE CRB AND WHILE AT THAT MEETING WE HAD THIS PAST TUESDAY, I HEARD A COUPLE OF SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS DISCUSS SOME VERY WELL INTERESTING THINGS. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY BROUGHT UP WAS THE 10% YEAR OVER YEAR PROPERTY TAXES. THAT WAS ONE CONCERN OF ONE INDIVIDUAL AND THE OTHER MENTIONED. ANOTHER SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IDENTIFIED THAT THEY HAD A LITTLE COMPLAINT ABOUT CAPITALISM. WELL, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TRUE CAPITALISM HERE IN AMERICA ANYMORE. NOW, THE MOST DANGEROUS WORDS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ARE, I'M FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND I'M HERE TO HELP, RIGHT. AND I KNOW THE ONE PERSON COMPLAINING ABOUT THE 10% YEAR OVER YEAR TAX RATES IS ACCURATE, BECAUSE WHEN I HAD A

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I'M HOPING THERE'S AT LEAST A LIMIT THERE. I WAS TALKING TO ANOTHER SMALL BUSINESS OWNER WHO'S BEEN HERE FOR 22 YEARS, LIVES IN STUART, PAYS TAXES. HE LOST OUT ON A CONTRACT TO AN OUT OF COUNTY CONTRACTOR. IT WAS IN THE CONTRACT WAS IN EXCESS OF 10,000. SO IT HAD TO GO OUT TO BID. HE LOST OUT BY $500. THEIR BID WAS $500 CHEAPER. I'M HOPING THAT THE BOARD OR THE COMMITTEE HERE CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN TO MAYBE HAVE WHOEVER REVIEWS THESE CONTRACTS CONSIDER, HEY, THIS IS CLOSE. THIS GUY'S PAYING OVER 5000 A YEAR IN PROPERTY TAXES. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HIS NUMBER. I'M GUESSING IT'S OVER 5000. OKAY, MAYBE WE CAN CUT HIM A LITTLE SLACK ON THAT $500. THEN IT GOES TO THE QUESTION. WELL, WHAT IS ALL THE MONEY GOING SPENT TO OR WHERE'S ALL THESE PROPERTY TAXES GOING? WELL, WE HAVE A GRANT THAT WELL, IT GOES TO COVER THE STREETS AND THINGS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STREETS AND THAT THREE YEARS AGO THIS COMMISSION VOTED TO GIVE AWAY PARKING SPACES TO FPL SO THEY CAN HAVE A CHARGING STATION. SO A POTENTIAL SMALL BUSINESS OWNER WHO WANTED TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN CHARGING STATION, WELL, THEY CAN'T THEY HAVE TO COMPETE WITH THIS MULTIBILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION, FPL, WHO IS OWNED BY NEXTERA AND NEXTERA, JUST RECENTLY WAS ASKING FOR A 10% HIKE RATE INCREASE. WHY ARE WE HELPING THESE BIG FAT CATS? NEXT, SOME OF THE MONEY GETS GIVEN AWAY IN A GRANT TO A NONPROFIT. THIS NONPROFIT, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WILL NOT BE PAYING TAXES, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, AND THIS NONPROFIT MOST LIKELY PAYS THEMSELVES A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT.

SO I GOTTA ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT ARE WE REALLY INTENDING TO DO WITH THE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY TAXES? THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. WILL AUDREY CREECH. GOOD EVENING, AUDREY CREECH. I LIVE IN PALM CITY, BUT I WORK IN THE CITY OF STUART, SO I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THERE WAS AN A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER TONIGHT. I WAS HERE ON OTHER MATTERS. HOWEVER, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME THOUGHTS. FIRST, I AM A PART OF STUART MAIN STREET. THE THE LEASE FOR THE. PARTICULAR CENTER THAT WE WORK OUT OF FLAGLER IS UP FOR REVIEW, SO I HOPE THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT THAT. ADDITIONALLY, AS TO CITY MANAGER, YOU HAVE AN EXTREME OPPORTUNITY HERE. YOU HAVE A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE SITTING AT YOUR TABLE. YOU HAVE DECADES OF EXPERIENCE BEING CITY COMMISSIONER, BEING A CITY ATTORNEY, BEING A CITY MANAGER. I UNDERSTAND IT MAY NOT BE POPULAR TO SAY THIS, BUT THERE ARE VERY FEW CITIES THAT HAVE THAT ABILITY TO GO AND SAY, HAVE YOU SEEN THIS BEFORE? HAS THIS EVER HAPPENED? WHETHER THE CITY'S BEEN SUED, WHETHER THE CITY'S BEEN SUING OTHERS, WHETHER IT'S ANTI-GROWTH, PRO-GROWTH, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

HE HAS BEEN THERE, AND I WOULD SINCERELY ASK YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE A VERITABLE SOURCE OF VERY SIGNIFICANT INTEL THAT VERY FEW CITIES HAVE. ADDITIONALLY, I SINCERELY HOPE WE ARE NOT JUDGED ONLY ON THE PEOPLE THAT DISLIKE US, BECAUSE, FRANKLY, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DISLIKE OTHER PEOPLE. HONESTLY, IF THERE'S NOT SOMEONE THAT DISLIKES ME, I'M DOING SOMETHING WRONG. THAT MEANS I'M NOT STANDING FOR ANYTHING. SOMEBODY SHOULD BE AT ME SOMEWHERE. SO I WOULD SAY THAT REGARDLESS OF THE MANY PEOPLE THAT I'M SURE ARE GOING TO COME UP HERE TONIGHT AND BE VERY VOCAL AND VERY PASSIONATE AND I DON'T DISAGREE. I DON'T KNOW THEIR STORIES. I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO TRY TO DO THEIR STORIES, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU SHOULD NOT NECESSARILY JUDGE A PERSON'S CAREER ON A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ENTHUSED WITH THAT HUMAN BEING. IT SHOULD BE TAKEN IN COMPLETE AND UTTER SUMMATION OF THAT PERSON'S CAREER. HAVE THEY DONE THEIR JOB APPROPRIATELY? OVERALL? THANK YOU. ROBIN CARTWRIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. I WOULD HOPE THAT THE DELIBERATION AND DISCUSSION WILL BE UP AS OPEN FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION BECAUSE I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS, BUT MY PUBLIC COMMENT IS SPECIFIC TO COMMISSIONER JOB'S COMMENT ABOUT EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE FRIEND AND NEIGHBOR. AS YOU MAY RECALL, WITH MY CASE, OUR FAVORITE FRIEND AND NEIGHBOR

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SO I EXPRESSED TO YOU, I IMPLORE YOU, PLEASE FIND OUT WHO IS LEAKING THIS INFORMATION.

THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME IT HAS HAPPENED, OBVIOUSLY, AND IT WILL NOT BE THE LAST. BUT AS LONG AS THIS KIND OF SHENANIGANS IS TOLERATED BY THIS COMMISSION AND BY STAFF, IT'S ONLY A LIMITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CAN PROVIDE IT TO HIM. SO I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO AN INVESTIGATION, LOOK AT PUBLIC RECORDS, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY A LIMITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO COULD POSSIBLY DO THIS. THANK YOU. ROBERT HAMILTON. GOOD EVENING, ROBERT HAMILTON 1895 CHURCH OF STUART. Y'ALL KNOW ME. LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE HAD BROUGHT UP TO YOU GUYS. SECTION 202 30 ON THE PROCUREMENT METHOD. NOW WE BELIEVE THAT STILL APPLIES. YOU ALL RECEIVED AN EMAIL TODAY. YOU REALLY NEED TO READ THE EMAIL. BUT BEFORE I GO INTO THAT, LET'S LET'S THINK ABOUT SOMETHING. WE HAVE A LIFE GUARD, LIFEGUARDS AT THE BEACH DOING HIS JOB. LITTLE JOHNNY DROWNS. MOTHER GOES BACK A WEEK LATER WITH HER OTHER KIDS. SAME LIFEGUARDS THERE. WHY WOULD YOU KEEP THE LIFEGUARD? WHY WOULD YOU KEEP A CANCER IN THE COMMUNITY TO DAMAGE US PERSONALLY, DAMAGE OUR HOME, DRAG US THROUGH THE MUD. I STILL COME IN HERE. THERE'S AN OUT FOR EVERYBODY ON THIS. WITH THE MCKEE RENOVATION BEING ACCEPTED BY THE HISTORICAL PEOPLE, BY COMMERCE, AND BY THE CITY ITSELF, I'M NOT HERE TO FIGHT WITH ANYBODY. HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESOLVE IT. WHAT YOU ALL DECIDE TO DO OR NOT DO, THAT'S ON YOU. IT'S OUR HOME THAT WAS DESTROYED. OUR HOME THAT THE LIES ABOUT THE ROOF RIDGE VENT SYSTEM THAT WERE DISCUSSED LAST WEEK, WHICH YOU HAVE THE REPORT AND THE REPORT CLEARLY STATES THERE'S NO ROOF RIDGE VENT SYSTEM. SO AGAIN, MR. JENKINS FROM GUARDIAN CAME IN HERE AND LIED TO OUR CITY COMMISSION AT THE BEHEST OF THE CITY MANAGER. REMEMBER, I WAS GOING TO GET HURT OR WAS GOING TO GET HURT REAL BAD. WE'RE GOING TO BE WOUNDED. IT'S TIME WE MOVE ON. THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THE FEDERAL LAW HERE TO USE THE FEDERAL CODE. NOW. WE'LL ALL BE HAPPY PROBABLY WHEN HUD OPENS BACK UP. I'M SURE SOME OF YOU GOT THE SAME EMAILS WE DID. EVERYTHING STOPPED AT THE MOMENT. SO BETWEEN HUD AND THE OIG AGAIN, I COME HERE AND HERE IT IS. IT'S IT'S RIGHT HERE. IT'S IT'S PLAIN AND SIMPLE. IT'S SELF PROCUREMENT 200.23. OH, YOU KNOW, THE SAD PART ABOUT IT IS IT DIDN'T NEED TO HAVE ALL THIS HAPPEN. WE WOULD HAVE WENT AWAY QUIETLY IF IT WOULD JUST BEEN FIXED. YOU JUST WANT OUR HOME, OUR HISTORICAL BUILDING FIXED. THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY. I WAS AT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, AND MR. HATTON WAS GOING THROUGH STUFF WITH ME, WHICH I APPRECIATE. AND WHEN I MENTIONED THE GRACE AND WE'RE DOING THE PAPERWORK, IT'S HISTORICAL BUILDING. SHE DOESN'T WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE PAPERWORK. NOW, WHAT'S IT GOING TO TAKE TO PUT THE STATE ID NUMBER TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA? RECOGNIZES OUR BUILDING ON THE PAPERWORK AT EVERY OTHER

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WE'RE STILL INJURED 15 MONTHS LATER. WE NEED TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. MOVE ON WITH SECTION 200. THANK YOU. DID YOU WISH TO MAKE A COMMENT? YES. ROBERT. FORGIVE ME. I'M. I'M CONFUSED. I THOUGHT WE WERE. WE HAD A REVISED SCOPE OF WORK THAT YOU GUYS WERE GOING TO SIGN, AND WE WERE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. IS THERE AN ISSUE? LOOK AT THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT INCLUDED THE. IT'S ERRONEOUS. IT'S GOT IMPROPER STUFF IN THERE. IT'S NOT COMPLETE. IT WASN'T CORRECT. IT'S IN THE EMAIL I SENT YOU TODAY. LEE, CAN YOU CHIME IN? HE RESPONDED TO MY EMAIL. I LOOKED AT IT FOR TWO SECONDS BEFORE COMING INTO THE MEETING, SO IT WAS VERY LENGTHY. HE HAD COMMENTS WHICH WE WERE ASKING FOR HIS COMMENTS ON THE REVISED SCOPE OF WORK.

OKAY, I'LL I'LL ADDRESS IT TOMORROW. IT'LL BE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I WORK ON. SO.

OKAY. GOT IT. I'LL BE HONEST, I DIDN'T SEE WHAT HE'S MENTIONING, SOME OF THE THINGS HE PUT IN THE EMAIL, BUT MR. JENKINS WILL NEVER COME ON THAT PROPERTY AGAIN. THE MAN CAME IN THIS ROOM AND LIED, SIR, LAST WEEK. I'M NOT GOING TO GET IN BIG ARGUMENT WITH YOU GUYS. HE CAME IN HERE AND LIED. IT'S ON VIDEO. HE LIED AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. WE DON'T HAVE TO TOLERATE THIS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? OUR HOME WAS DAMAGED? THE MAN CAME IN HERE AND LIED TO A GOVERNMENT BODY. NOW, YOU MAY HAVE THEM UNDER CONTROL, BUT YOU DAMN SURE DON'T HAVE ME UNDER CONTROL. YOU HURT MY FAMILY. YOU HURT ME, MY PROPERTY, AND YOU ALL RUNNING AROUND MAKING LIKE IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROBLEM HERE. YOU'RE GOING OFF THE RAILS, MAN.

YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NEXT STEP WAS. LET'S GET IT RESOLVED. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE COMMISSIONERS. READ THE EMAIL. YEAH, AND SPEAK WITH MR. BAGGETT. ONE OF THE ISSUES IS MR. ANTONIO WITH GUARDIAN NEEDS TO GO BACK AND RE-INSPECT THE HOME, WHICH WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING. YES, BUT I GUESS WE'RE HEARING FROM MR. HAMILTON THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW HIM TO DO THAT. I NEVER SAID WE WERE GOING TO ALLOW THAT AT THE LAST MEETING. I NEVER SAID THAT. RIGHT. THE TAPES THERE, I'VE READ MOST OF THAT EMAIL, BUT I THINK YOU NEED TO DO IT. IT'S IT'S REALLY IDIOT PROOF. IT'S BULLET POINT AS TO THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT CORRECT AND COMPARED TO THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND ALL THAT. YES.

OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN, I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS. IT'S PRETTY SAD. NOW I'M GOING TO LEAVE SOME LEVITY HERE. IT'S PRETTY SAD, COUNSELOR. HOW MANY YEARS? AND THEY CAN'T GET THE PROPERTY DESCRIPTION RIGHT? YES. COME ON MAN. AND YOU WONDER WHY WE GET EMOTIONAL. THAT'S MY HOME, MR. BAGGETT. IF I COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND TRASH IT LIKE THE MAYOR SAID WAS DONE TO US, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE A HAPPY MAN. LET'S JUST GET IT FIXED. THIS COULD HAVE WENT AWAY A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. WE ARE TRYING TO KNOW. WE ARE TRYING TO. HE CAME IN HERE AND LIED.

SIR. MR. HAMILTON, WE'RE TRYING YOU. I KNOW YOU WANT TO SHUT ME UP. IT'S ALRIGHT, MR. HAMILTON.

WE GAVE YOU A A GOOD AUDIENCE LAST WEEK AND WE CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THE EMAIL, AND I'LL PROVIDE US A CONTEXT FOR OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. MARTIN AND MR. BAGGETT.

MR. COMMISSIONER REED. YEAH. FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, LEE, IS IT A REQUIREMENT FOR ANTONIO JENKINS TO COME IN THEIR PROPERTY AND TO INSPECT IN ORDER TO WE NEED TO HAVE IT INSPECTED BY THE PROJECT MANAGER AND THAT'S WHO'S THE PROJECT MANAGER. I DON'T THINK GUARDIAN HAS ANOTHER PROJECT MANAGER. I OFFERED IN THE EMAIL THAT MR. HADDEN OR SOME OTHER CITY OFFICIAL COULD BE THERE AT THE SAME TIME, AND AND I GOT CRICKETS. SO THAT WAS UNLESS HE RESPONDED TO IT IN THE EMAIL A COUPLE HOURS AGO, I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. BUT RIGHT NOW WE WE MR. ANTONIO NEEDS TO GO BACK OUT AND RE JENKINS ANTONIO JENKINS OF GUARDIAN NEEDS TO GO BACK OUT. ALL HE SIMPLY NEEDS TO DO IS RE INSPECT THE PROPERTY. IF WE NEED TO HAVE THE BUILDING OFFICIAL WITH HIM, OR I'LL GO OUT THERE MYSELF IF, IF TO BE A MEDIATOR IF THAT'S NECESSARY.

BUT THAT THAT IS FOR CLARIFICATION. SO IT IS A REQUIREMENT ANTONIO HAS TO UNLESS WE UTILIZE THE 200 DASH 230 WHICH ALLOWS IT DOESN'T MATTER NO MATTER WHAT. UNDER THE CDBG GRANT, THE SCOPE OF SERVICES HAS TO BE FORMULATED BY THE PROJECT MANAGER. SO EVEN THAT'S BEFORE IT GOES OUT TO RFP TO COME TO THE AGREEMENT ON THE SCOPE OF SERVICES, THE PROJECT MANAGER HAS TO LOOK AT IT. THE HAMILTONS HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, THEN IT HAS TO BE SENT TO FLORIDA COMMERCE. IF FLORIDA COMMERCE SIGNS OFF ON IT, THEN IT GETS SENT TO SHPO. ONCE SHIPPO SIGNS OFF ON IT, THEN IT WOULD GO TO PROCUREMENT AND THEN THE FEDERAL STATUTE THAT THEY'RE REFERENCING WOULD ACTUALLY BE A STATE, A STATE PROCUREMENT RULE THAT YOU COULD DO A SOLE SOURCE PROCUREMENT IF YOU COULD DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE WERE NO OTHER CONTRACTORS THAT COULD QUALIFY TO BID. OKAY. SO SO WHEN WHEN I GUESS ROBERT AND OLGA, WHEN YOU DO RESPOND, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE HE HAS. YEAH. CORRECT. I, I BRIEFLY LOOKED AT IT AS WELL. LIKE LEE

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I'VE TRIED AND I'M DOING MY BEST. NO. AND I LISTEN, LEE, I KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO INSPECT INSPECT IT. I KNOW AND LISTEN. YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB. BUT ANTONIO JENKINS FAILED, AND HE ABSOLUTELY STOOD IN FRONT OF US AS BOARD MEMBERS AND LIED AND SAID THERE WAS A RIDGE VENT SYSTEM. I THINK, FIRST OFF, I WE SHOULDN'T BE ACCUSING HIM, SAYING HE LIED WHEN WHEN HE'S NOT HERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF, SO LET'S I UNDERSTAND I YOU CAN CONTACT THE COMPANY COBRA AND I DON'T I DON'T NEED TO I'M JUST SAYING PLEASE DON'T ACCUSE HIM. AND HE'S NOT HERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT TO DEFEND HIM. I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO GIVE DUE PROCESS. WE'RE A PUBLIC ENTITY. I UNDERSTAND, AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. AND AND THEN WE BROUGHT THEM HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. THEN THAT QUESTION SHOULD HAVE BEEN POSED TO HIM. IF YOU WERE CHALLENGING HIM, WE SHOULD HAVE CHALLENGED HIM WHEN HE WAS HERE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO. ALL HE'S GOT TO DO IS INSPECT THE PROPERTY. I MEAN, THERE'S NO DISPUTE THAT EVERYONE'S AGREED TO PUT A RIDGE VENT IN, RIGHT? SO THAT'S NOT AND THAT'S THAT'S IN THIS REVISED SCOPE OF SERVICE. THEY MIGHT NOT BE COMFORTABLE WITH HIM GOING IN THEIR HOUSE. AND THAT MIGHT PUT US BACK TO NOT. AND WE CAN WE CAN GO THROUGH FLORIDA COMMERCE AND AND GO DOWN A DIFFERENT PATH. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE BUT IT'S JUST GOING TO BE DELAY OKAY. THANK YOU. BOTH PARTIES HAVE OBLIGATIONS. EXCUSE ME REGARD TO THIS PROCESS OKAY I DO HAVE ONE MORE PUBLIC. OKAY. GO AHEAD OLGA HAMILTON. GOOD AFTERNOON, OLGA HAMILTON, 311 SOUTHWEST THIRD STREET. OKAY. THE CHURCH THAT YOU ALL TIED TO HERE ON AUGUST. ON AUGUST 4TH, 2024, WE NOTIFIED MR. JENKINS OF GUARDIAN COMMUNITY RESOURCE MANAGEMENT. HE REPRESENTS THAT FIRM. WE NOTIFIED THE CITY MANAGER THAT THE CONTRACTOR DID NOT INSTALL THE ROOF RIDGE VENT SYSTEM INCLUDED IN THE CDBG. SCOPE OF WORK. IN RECTIFYING THIS SITUATION, MR. JENKINS WROTE TO US DEMANDING THE FULL PAYMENT ON THE ROOF. 1990, INCLUDING ROOF RIDGE SYSTEMS THAT WAS NOT INSTALLED. IT WAS FAKED. YES, WE HIRED HOME INSPECTOR WHO WAS GIVEN TO US BY INSURANCE COMPANY. HE WROTE A REPORT. HE CONFIRMED THERE ARE NO ANY FUNCTIONING ROOF RIDGE VENT SYSTEM COUNT FROM AUGUST 2024 TO TODAY. DATE 2020 FIFTH. HOW MANY DAYS OF LIES? WE REPEATEDLY ASKED THE CITY ADMINISTRATION FOR INSPECTION. REOPEN THE PERMIT REINSPECT DEDUCT FOR WORK. DID NOT COMPLETE. NO. THE CITY ADMINISTRATION PAID THE FULL AMOUNT WITHOUT ANY DEDUCTION FOR THE ROOF RIDGE VENT SYSTEM. DESPITE WE PROVIDED WITH THE BID. AND BY THE WAY, AS THE CITY ATTORNEY WROTE TO US THAT HE INCLUDED THAT. COURT ROOF.

QUOTE UNQUOTE, RED ROOFS, WHO INSPECTED AND GAVE BID NO. EXCUSE ME. THAT FORM. QUOTE, RED ROOFS, THEY DID NOT THEY DID NOT WRITE IN THEIR BID THAT WE HAVE EXISTING ROOF RIDGE VENT SYSTEM. WHAT THEY WROTE IN THE IN THEIR BID TO REMOVE THE RIDGE CAP, NOT REACH VENT

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[CONSENT CALENDAR]

[8. FINAL RENEWAL OF FLAGLER CENTER LEASE WITH STUART MAIN STREET ASSOCIATION, INC. (RC): RESOLUTION No. 101-2025; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA TO AUTHORIZE A THREE-YEAR EXTENSION TO ABSOLUTE TRIPLE NET – UNSUBORDINATED LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF STUART AND STUART MAIN STREET ASSOCIATION, INC. FOR THE “FLAGLER CENTER” LOCATED AT 201 SW FLAGLER AVENUE, STUART; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

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IT REALLY SHOULD BE ALL LOOKED AT TOGETHER, I THINK FOR A COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW.

AND IT'S IF YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE SAID THAT WE WILL NOT REVIEW THE ANNUAL ALLOCATION WE MAKE TO THEM. REMEMBER WE LOST THAT. BUT TO BE ABLE TO HOLISTICALLY LOOK AT THE CITY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH MAIN STREET, NOT TO CRITICIZE IT TO ME, BUT I THINK SO THAT BECAUSE OTHERWISE THESE THESE JUST ONE OF THESE LANDS ON YOUR AGENDA OVER HERE AND THEN OVER THERE, WE CAN'T REALLY. AND IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE, MAYBE THEY NEED MORE THAN 70. MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH MAIN STREET. THESE ARE OUR EXPECTATIONS. THAT WOULD BE MY ASK. I AGREE. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. BAGGETT REGARDING THIS? ACTUALLY THE CITY MANAGER, IF YOU HAD I HAD MY GO AHEAD. BUT THAT'S OKAY. COMMISSIONER CLARK OKAY. SO IN LIGHT OF WHAT COMMISSIONER. VICE MAYOR JUST BROUGHT UP. IF WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, RESOLUTION NUMBER 101 2025, WE'D LIKE TO VOTE ON. I'D LIKE TO VOTE ON THIS SEPARATELY TONIGHT, SINCE THAT'S THERE. AND YOUR SUGGESTION WOULD BE SOMETHING TO WAIT TO WAIT SO THAT THEY ALL LAND ON ONE AGENDA FOR FUTURE COMMISSIONS FOR US TO BRING THEM BACK NEXT TIME. LIKE I CAN GET THEM ON THE NEXT AGENDA BECAUSE THIS IS ALREADY DONE. I WOULD LITERALLY JUST PUT THIS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA AND THEN JUST ADD THE OTHER ITEMS. THE ONLY THING IS A MATTER OF SPEAKING TO MAIN STREET. OBVIOUSLY THOSE OTHER THE THE ROCK AND RIVERWALK CONTRACT FOR THE SPECIAL EVENTS PERMITS EASY, BUT THE GREEN MARKET ONE IS AN RFP RESPONSE.

SO IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE, BUT WE CAN STILL BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT AGENDA. IT'S ALSO THE ANNUAL ALLOCATION WE PROVIDE THEM. THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL ITEM. RIGHT. WELL THAT WAS THAT'S BUDGETED. YEAH. SO THAT'S IN THE. CONTRACTUAL BUDGET. RIGHT. SO THE FUNDING IS THERE. IT'S YOU SAYING YOU WANT YOU WANT TO PUT IT. VICE MAYOR DO YOU WANT THAT TO COME BEFORE US EVERY YEAR? AGAIN, I THINK IT SHOULD ALL BE A PART OF THAT PACKAGE FOR US TO CONSIDER OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT TO CUT IT OR BUT BUT JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY, THAT MOTION FAILED LAST TIME. I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU. WELL, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T BRING IT BACK. YEAH, I THINK THEY SHOULD ALL COME BACK TOGETHER AGAIN SO WE CAN HOLISTICALLY LOOK AT THEM. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. OKAY.

COMMISSIONER JOB I MY QUESTION IS TO THE CITY MANAGER, AND HE AND I HAVE EMAILED BACK AND FORTH. I WAS LOOKING AT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE SOME SUBLETS OVER AT FLAGLER CENTER. AND YOU DID NOT HAVE A COPY OF THOSE OR YOU WERE GOING TO LOOK FOR. WELL, I SENT YOU THE BLANK, THE UNSIGNED COPY. SO, SO LIKE WHEN THE CITYCI ENTERS INTO AN AGREEMENT, LIKE WITH AZUL TO LAND LEASE, WE DON'T GET COPIES OF THE 49 SUBLETS WHERE THEY LEASE THE UNITS OUT. AND WHEN WE ENTERED INTO LAND LEASE WITH HUIZENGA FOR THE SUNSET BAY MARINA, THEY

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SAM YATES, HE WAS USING IT, THEIR PROPERTY ADDRESS AS A MAILING ADDRESS FOR HIS, I THINK, LIKE REGISTERED AGENT MAYBE, OR SOMETHING FOR MAILING PURPOSES. AND I'LL ASK. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S STILL THERE OR NOT, AND I DON'T KNOW. AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS EVER THERE. I DON'T KNOW, I JUST KNOW ON SUNDAYS IT WAS LISTED. I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT'S STILL LISTED, RIGHT. BUT THEN IF YOU'RE LISTING IT AS SUCH, HE'S STILL THERE. THE LEASE THAT THE ENGINEERS HAVE. DO YOU MIND COMING TO THE MIC, PLEASE? SO, SAM SAM IS STILL THERE. HE ACTUALLY IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE GOLD COAST

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LET'S LET THE CITY MANAGER FIND. OUT THERE AREN'T ANY. IF HE HAS AN ACTUAL LEASE, THEN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GET OUR PERMISSION FOR THAT. THE COMMISSION COULD DECLARE IT A BREACH AND TERMINATE THE CONTRACT. NOW, WHEN YOU SAY OUR PERMISSION, IT SAYS CITY MANAGER. WELL, I YOU COME IN, I WOULD BRING AGENDA. RIGHT. EXACTLY. OKAY. AND SO I HAVE NO IDEA. I ASSUME THAT CULPEPER CULPEPER TURPENTINE OFFICE USED TO BE WHERE TOBY OVERDORF OFFICE IS. OKAY. WHEN THEY'RE TEN YEARS ENDED BECAUSE IT'S WATERFRONT PROPERTY. INSTEAD OF HAVING A REFERENDUM, THEY GOT MOVED TO. THEY GOT THEY HAD TO MOVE OUT WHEN THEY HAD TO MOVE OUT WHEN THE.

WHATEVER THE STUART MAIN STREET RENTED THE FLAGLER CENTER, CULPEPPER TERPENING THEN WENT AND WORKED OUT A DEAL TO RENT OFFICE SPACE IN THE BACK OF THE FLAGLER CENTER. THAT WAS APPROVED BY DAVID DYESS BACK IN LIKE 2009. WAS IT EVER ON THE AGENDA? LIKE, I HAVE NO IDEA.

AGENDA? I HAVE NO IDEA. AND THEN THE SAM YATES, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE, IS OCCUPYING THAT SPACE AS AN AGENT OF CULPEPER TERPENING NOT AS A TENANT. YEAH, BUT NO DIFFERENT THAN YOUR EMPLOYEE WOULD BE OCCUPYING IT AS YOU. NOT THAT HE HAS HIS OWN LEASE WITH THEM, BUT RATHER THAT HE WORKS FOR THEM AND USES THE SPACE THAT WAY. I HAVE NO IDEA. BUT IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO CHANGE IT, WHY WOULD YOU IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW? WHY WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE IT THAT WAY IF YOU HAVE NO IDEA? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT CANDACE HAS COME TO US AND TOLD US THEY WERE SUBLETTING. THERE'D BE NO REASON FOR US TO DENY A SUBLET, WHETHER IT WAS SAM YATES OR WHETHER IT WAS CULPEPER TURPENTINE. WE DIDN'T HAVE A BASIS TO SAY THAT HE WAS A NO. SO IF THEY WERE DOING IT JUST FOR PERMISSION, THERE'D BE NO REASON NOT TO BRING IT FORWARD. WHAT WOULD BE ACCURATE IS WE WE HAVE NO IDEA. WELL, EXCEPT FOR MARK'S TELLING US THAT HE'S USING CULPEPER'S OFFICE. THAT'S THE SPACE THAT CULPEPER LEASED. BUT AREN'T YOU MADE AWARE OF THESE, MR. VICE MAYOR, WHEN YOU ATTEND THE BOARD MEETINGS, AREN'T YOU AWARE? MADE AWARE OF? NO. AND YOU DON'T ASK THESE QUESTIONS. THIS IS ALL SORT OF COMING OUT NOW. ALL NEW OPEN GOVERNMENT. YEAH. SO SO MIKE, GOING BACK TO IT, IF IT WAS A SUB SUBLEASE, IT WOULD COME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD ON A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM OF I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO. THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD DO. BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF DAVE DID IT WHEN HE WAS CITY MANAGER. SO THE LEASE DOESN'T REQUIRE IT. IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT I KNOW THAT.

CORRECT. AND I KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT WHEN IT HAPPENED, I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER DISCUSSED IT.

YEAH, WITH THE INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS. AND BECAUSE CULPEPER TERPENING HAD BEEN A TENANT OF THE CITY FOR 20 YEARS PRIOR TO THAT IN THE BUILDING. THAT'S RIGHT HERE ON THE CORNER OF THE PARKING LOT WHERE TOBY OVERDORF OFFICE IS. BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN THE NEW LAW CAME INTO PLAY, OR THE NEW CODE CAME INTO PLAY, THAT YOU COULDN'T STAY UP IN WATERFRONT PROPERTY FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS WITHOUT A REFERENDUM. YEAH. WHEN TEN YEARS RAN OUT, THEY HAD TO MOVE.

SO THEY GOT MOVED OUT OF THAT SPACE. AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR SPACE. SO I THINK IT ALL JUST KIND OF HAPPENED AT THE SAME TIME. BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THE DETAILS OF HOW IT GOT NEGOTIATED OR WHAT. NO. FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES. THEY COULD AND I KNOW THESE MIGHT BE NEW LEASES, BUT WE HAVE OTHER LEASES IN THE CITY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS ONE'S JUST MORE CONTROVERSIAL BECAUSE OF WHO. RENTS IT AND THEN WHO SUBLEASED IT TO A POTENTIAL SAM YATES CONSULTANT WITH BRIGHT LINE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHY IT GETS MORE, I GUESS, ATTENTION. BUT WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS OUR OTHER LEASES LIKE THAT IN THE CITY TO WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION, AND THEN I UNDERSTAND YOU WOULD BRING IT TO THE BOARD ON A CONSENT AGENDA. IS THAT HOW IT WOULD BE DONE FOR OTHER ONES? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER LEASES IN THE CITY THAT THAT HAVE THE SUBLET LANGUAGE. I KNOW, I KNOW THAT THE GROUND LEASE FOR SUNSET BAY MARINA ALLOWED THE HUIZINGA GROUP TO ORIGINALLY SUBLET IT TO A RESTAURANT AND THEN BILL, DAVE OR BOB DAVIS BUILT THE SAILOR RETURNS. I KNOW THAT WHEN

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SO DID THE PELICAN HAVE THAT LEASE TO IT? BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE PELICAN PELICAN WHEN IT ASSIGNED ITS LEASE TO MIKE MATUKAITIS. SAME THING HAPPENED. HAD TO COME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF WHAT WAS PAID TO THE PELICAN WERE NOT PUBLIC. IT WAS JUST JUST LIKE WHEN MULLIGAN'S USED TO BE RIGHT NEXT DOOR AT BOATHOUSE, AND THEY SOLD THE BALANCE OF THEIR LEASE TO THE BOATHOUSE COMPANY. WHATEVER THEY SOLD IT FOR WAS A DOLLAR OR $1 TRILLION WAS NOT DISCLOSED. IT WAS THAT THE CITY COMMISSION HAD TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS ACCEPTING THE NEW LAND OR THE NEW TENANT AS A OPERATOR THAT WAS GOING TO BE FINANCIALLY STABLE, SUFFICIENTLY ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDING OR DO WHATEVER IT WAS. SO IS THIS THE ONLY LEASE IN THE CITY THAT HAS THIS OPTION? WELL, OKAY. IS THAT IS THAT ESSENTIAL THAT WE KNOW THIS TO EITHER APPROVE THIS MOTION OR NOT? I APPRECIATE THAT'S A GOOD BUT JUST ASKING SOME I KNOW, BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ITEM. IF, IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A REQUEST TO THE CITY MANAGER THAT ALL CITY LEASES BE BROUGHT, IT'S NOT GOOD ON WHAT I'M SAYING. WHY CAN HE NOT ASK HIS QUESTIONS? WHY DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH HIS DECISION? BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FLAG RELEASE. THIS WOULD BE THE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PELICAN LEASE NOW. WELL, I'M WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GILBERT'S LEASE. WHY WHY CAN HE NOT ASK HIS QUESTIONS? SO IN IN SHORT, IS THE FLORIDA STATUTES REQUIRE YOU TO MITIGATE DAMAGES. SO IF YOU'RE A TENANT IN ANY LANDLORD SITUATION AND YOU'RE IN A POSITION THAT YOU CAN'T PAY YOUR RENT ANY LONGER AND YOUR LANDLORD'S EVICTING YOU, THE LANDLORD HAS THE RIGHT TO SUE YOU FOR THE BALANCE OF THE MONTHS THAT ARE DUE. BUT IF YOU CAN MITIGATE THOSE DAMAGES BY FINDING A SUFFICIENT TENANT, EVEN IF YOUR LEASE DOESN'T HAVE THE ASSIGNMENT LANGUAGE IN IT, THE COURTS WILL INTERPRET IT TO INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE AND ALLOW YOU TO FILL THOSE SHOES SO THAT YOU CAN AVOID OR MITIGATE THE DAMAGES FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE THE BREACH OF THAT CONTRACT, THE LEASES THAT THE CITY HAS AS IT RELATES TO ITS LONG TERM LAND LEASES, ALL HAVE THE ASSIGNMENT LANGUAGE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE AN 80 OR 90 YEAR LEASE, IT'S NOT ANTICIPATED THAT THE PERSON'S GOING TO RUN THE THROUGH THE TAPE. SO THEY THEY GENERALLY DO IT. BUT THOSE AREN'T WATERFRONT PROPERTY. THE WATERFRONT IS UNRELATED OKAY. BUT THE SUNSET BAY'S WATER. SO IS IT A HUDSON'S IS WATERFRONT. WATERFRONT IS WATERFRONT. SO WHAT IS IT, A LAND LEASE VERSUS.

IT'S A LAND LEASE IS A BUILDING. IT'S WELL, HUDSON'S AND WATERFRONT WERE BOTH CONSIDERED LAND LEASES BECAUSE WHAT WE SAY IS YOU'RE RENTING IT AS A TRIPLE NET LAND LEASE. IF THE AIR CONDITIONING BREAKS, THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM. YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT. WE'RE NOT PROVIDING YOU A TENANT WHERE WE PROVIDE YOU WITH WORKING AIR CONDITIONING AND WORKING WINDOWS AND WORKING HEAT, AND IF IT LEAKS OR ANY OF THAT, WE SAY, NO, IT'S JUST A FLAT LAND LEASE. AND THEN THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERYTHING ELSE INSURANCE, TAXES, MAINTENANCE, EVERYTHING. AND THAT'S JUST BEEN A POLICY OF THE CITY, I GET IT. BUT THOSE WOULD HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD. THIS ONE WOULD NOT. THAT'S ALL. AND THAT'S ALL I WAS ASKING QUESTIONS ON MAYOR RICH. THIS THIS ONE I KNOW YOU WOULD BRING IT IF THEY IF THEY IF THEY HAD A DIFFERENT TENANT THAT WAS WANTING TO MOVE IN AND IT CAME FORWARD, IT'S JUST AS EASY FOR ME TO PUT IT ON THE CONSENT BECAUSE I JUST PUT IT ON THE CONSENT. BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD DO. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT REQUIRES IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER DOESN'T REQUIRE IT.

RIGHT. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE IT. THAT'S THAT'S GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHICH I WOULD APPRECIATE IT WOULD BE NICE. AND I'M SURE MOST PEOPLE WOULD. THANK YOU, MAYOR RICH, FOR ALLOWING ME TO FINISH MY COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER JOB, DO YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I JUST WANTED TO SAY MY WHOLE REASON WAS THAT IT IS CITY PROPERTY AND WE SHOULD KNOW WHO'S LEASING IT OR SUBLEASING IT. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. WE DO. WE HAVE A MOTION WITH REGARD TO RESOLUTION NUMBER 101 2025 AS PRESENTED. I THINK THAT WE GAVE CITY MANAGER DIRECTION TO BRING THAT BACK. YEAH. SO NOW THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT SEPARATELY, I ASKED THAT BEFORE OR IF WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY TABLE IT AND BRING IT BACK. THERE WAS NO SUCH THING ABOUT ACTUALLY HAVING THEM ALL BE ON. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO TABLE IT AND BRING THEM ALL BACK. BUT IS IT GOING TO BE IS IT GOING TO AFFECT ANYTHING, MR. MARTEL, YOU SAID WE NEED TO. I MEAN, THE ONLY THING BEFORE US TODAY IS THE LEASE. I DON'T KNOW THAT

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SO, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS ITEM FOR NOW AND THAT THE CITY MANAGER BRING BACK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BUT AT A DATE UNCERTAIN. THESE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT ITEMS FOR ONE AGENDA, ALL AGREEMENTS RELATING TO THE AGREEMENTS RELATED TO MAIN STREET. WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOB. IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ITEM? I DON'T THINK I DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, MARK. THANKS. MR. MAYOR, I JUST HAD A QUICK COMMENT. I THINK IT WAS THE REASON THIS THIS THING GOT TURNED DOWN LAST TIME. MAIN STREET'S LEASE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SURVIVE, THEY'RE BOOKING LONG TERM. AND SO IF THEIR LEASE EXPIRES AT A DATE CERTAIN THEY CAN'T BOOK ANYTHING BEYOND THAT. AND SO THE CONCERN WAS AND THE REASON IT WASN'T PUT SIMULTANEOUS WITH THE OTHER LEASES, BECAUSE THE OTHER LEASES CAN BE CANCELED RIGHT AWAY, IS THAT IF YOU DID THAT, THERE WOULD BE A PROVISION IN THERE THAT HAVE TO BE A PROVISION IN THERE FOR MAIN STREET TO HAVE TIME TO EXECUTE ANY OF THEIR LEASES OR NOT LEASES, BUT EVENT PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP FOR WEDDINGS AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I MENTIONED IS A CONSIDERATION FOR THIS RIGHT NOW, IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SOMEHOW DOVETAIL THEIR NEED BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY MONEY. THEN IF THEY CAN'T BOOK THOSE, THOSE EVENTS. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PUSHING IT ALL THE WAY OUT. NO, I'M JUST SAYING JUST JUST SO THEY'LL BE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THEY'RE BEING TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO LOOK AT THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

IT'S JUST THAT MAIN STREET GETS IF THEY CAN'T BOOK OUT 12 MONTHS, THEY'VE GOT A PROBLEM.

SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER REED. YEAH. SO FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN THIS DOES COME BACK, IF WE'RE AWARE OF ANY SUB LEASES AND TO WHO THEY ARE WITH WHEN IT DOES COME BACK.

YEAH. MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE I WOULD ASK THAT THE VICE MAYOR UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF HIS FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, THAT ATTENDING THE NEXT MEETING TRY TO GET QUESTIONS, ANSWERS TO ALL THOSE QUESTIONS AS YOU UNDERSTAND THEM NOW. SO YES. OKAY. AND I THINK TO MAYBE TRY TO CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS, IS CULPEPER SUBLEASING TO SAM YATES OR ANYONE ELSE. SO NOT JUST WHO ARE WE, WHO IS MAIN STREET SUBLEASING TO, BUT ARE THERE LEASES FROM CULPEPER TO ANYONE ELSE? YEAH, YEAH. SO WE HAVE THE FULL TREE OF POTENTIAL LEASES AS THOSE ARE SUPPOSED TO COME UP CONTRACTUALLY. AND I WANT TO THROW A WRENCH IN THIS, BUT TECHNICALLY WHAT MARK JUST SAID TO US WAS MAIN STREET NEEDS TO KNOW IN ADVANCE BECAUSE THEY ENTER INTO MULTIPLE SUBLEASES FOR INDIVIDUAL DAYS FOR FUTURE TERMS THAT OBLIGATE THEM FOR THE SPACE BEING SUBLET FOR SOMEONE'S WEDDING FOR ONE DAY. YEP. SO. SO THAT'S THE VENUE IS WHAT SAM YATES IS SUBLETTING. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT. SAM. WELL, I MEAN, IF HE IS OR NOT, I'M JUST POINTING OUT, LIKE YOU GUYS ARE SAYING, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, AND THEN WE'RE CHARACTERIZING THAT. WE KNOW WHAT IT IS. WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANY LEASES OR SUBLEASES THAT ARE HAPPENING AT FLAGLER. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. I HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, MAYOR. OKAY. GO AHEAD. THAT WAS THE TIME. HI. SO I WAS ASKED BY CANDACE TO BE HERE. MARK HAS A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND I DON'T DISCOUNT THAT. HOWEVER, HE IS NOT HERE. ON BEHALF OF STUART MAIN STREET TODAY I AM A BOARD MEMBER. I AM HERE ON CANDACE'S AUTHORITY AND THEREFORE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT SAM YATES BEING OR NOT BEING ON THE PROPERTY, FRANKLY, IS NOT HIS AUTHORITY TO SAY. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, NOW, AS FAR AS YES, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GET ALL OF THE LEASES TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE SO THAT IT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT FOR BOTH THE BOARD AND OUR BOARD TO KEEP TRACK OF THEM. OBVIOUSLY, THAT MAKES VERY MUCH A LOT OF SENSE. I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE THE LEASE GOING TILL THE END OF THE YEAR, SO THAT IT DOESN'T IMPEDE OPERATIONS IMMEDIATELY. I'M

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AS FAR AS CULPEPPER INTERPRETING, TO THE BEST OF MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS JUST ME AS A BOARD MEMBER. IS THAT CULPEPPER INTERPRETING IS THE ONLY CURRENT TENANT. NOW WE WILL, OF COURSE, WHEN CANDACE GETS BACK, SHE'S IN CALIFORNIA RIGHT NOW. WHEN CANDACE GETS BACK, WE WILL, OF COURSE, PROVIDE WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IN THE LEASE, IT DOES REQUIRE US TO AT LEAST ASK FOR SOME LEVEL OF APPROVAL OF WHO IT IS WE WOULD SUBLET OR LET TO. AND MR. MORTELE, YOU KNOW, THE THE CITY MANAGER DOES MAKE A GOOD POINT. WE ARE CONSISTENTLY LETTING OUT THE SPACE IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. IF INDEED FOR WHATEVER REASON, I DON'T KNOW, I REALLY DON'T. BUT IF SAM YATES HAPPENS TO BE A PART OF CULPEPPER AND TERPENING, PLEASE BE AWARE THAT WE SUBLET TO ALL WALKS OF LIFE, REGARDLESS OF THEIR STANCE ON ANY GIVEN TOPIC. THANK YOU. MORE THAN THAT, IT'S JUST THE TRANSPARENCY OF IF HE IS SUBLEASING FROM CULPEPPER. THAT IS SOMETHING CONTRACTUALLY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DISCLOSED. IT'S NOT AN ATTACK ON HIM FOR BEING A BRIGHT LINE. I DON'T DISAGREE, I DON'T DISAGREE, I I'M NOT AWARE, I CAN'T CONFIRM OR DENY. I KNOW THAT CULPEPPER AND TERPENING IS THE ONE THAT I AM AWARE OF. WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO CONFIRM OR DENY, THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S. THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. OKAY. MAYOR. RICH. YES, COMMISSIONER. YES, COMMISSIONER. YES, VICE MAYOR. COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. REID. YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. ITEM NUMBER NINE.

[9. AUTHORIZATION TO APPLY FOR FDLE DRONE REPLACEMENT GRANT (RC): RESOLUTION No. 100-2025; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR FUNDING UNDER THE FY 2025–26 DRONE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM; PROVIDING FOR THE EXECUTION OF AN AGREEMENT IF FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE AND AWARDED; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.]

CERTAINLY FOR SECURITY, FOR ANY PUBLIC GATHERINGS, WE HAVE THEM, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT'S GOING ON NATIONALLY. WE USE THE DRONES TO CLEAR THE ROOFTOPS OF BUILDINGS ANYWHERE NEAR ANY CROWD OR THE PARADES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IN ADDITION TO OUR STAFFING WITH OUR OFFICERS. IF WE'RE DOING A SEARCH WARRANT AT A PARTICULAR LOCATION, THE DRONE WILL GO UP IN ADVANCE TO HELP FOR SECURITY AND PERIMETER SECURITY. WE'VE USED IT FOR MISSING FOLKS, MISSING PERSONS.

IT DOES HAVE A HEAT INFRARED, INFRARED SO THAT WE CAN HELP TRACK MISSING MISSING PERSONS.

AND SO IT HAS ABOUT, I THINK, A 35 TO 45 MINUTE BATTERY. BUT WE HAVE SEVERAL BATTERIES. SO YOU CAN DROP IT, PUT A NEW BATTERY ON AND PUT IT RIGHT BACK UP. WE HAVE TWO OF OUR MEMBERS ARE CERTIFIED. AND IF WE ARE AWARDED ANOTHER DRONE, WE'D LOOK TO CERTIFY ADDITIONAL OFFICERS AND MAKE IT AVAILABLE. IT'S A IT'S A GAME CHANGER WITH THOSE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE

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THAT CLARIFIES IT. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S FLYING CONSTANTLY OR IT'S SPECIAL OCCASIONS. IT SOUNDS LIKE YES, WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY FLY IT FOR US.

RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A DRONE AS FIRST RESPONDER PROGRAM. IF THIS TIME. AND I SHOULD ALSO MENTION THAT THERE IS A STATE LAW THAT PROHIBITS US FROM USING DRONES FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND OTHER PURPOSES. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. YEP. I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION. WAS IT WHAT YOU WERE GOING FOR IT? LADIES FIRST. YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT. I WAS TALKING TO THE DRONE GUY, CHIEF. AND THE COST DIFFERENCE IS REMARKABLE. AND WHAT HAS APPEALED? IF THE DRONES COULD BE A LITTLE CHEAPER, WHAT'S WOULD PROVIDE A MUCH HIGHER DEGREE OF SAFETY FOR THE OFFICERS, AS YOU KNOW, SENDING THESE DRONES INTO DANGEROUS SITUATIONS AND TO CHECK OUT THE HOUSE FIRST. BUT THESE ARE WHAT, 30,000? MIKE? IT'S ABOUT 20. YEAH. SO YEAH, WHERE THE CHINESE DRONES ARE SO INEXPENSIVE, THEY'RE ALMOST DISPOSABLE. SO YEAH, THE THE DJI THAT WE HAD BEFORE WAS ABOUT 3500 FOR THE TOP OF THE LINE, ONE THAT WE WERE USING.

AND IT'S THE SAME DRONE AS 20. BUT BUT I GUESS THE LAW WHEN, WHEN WHEN YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR THE SERVICE YOU ARE THE SERVICE. LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE I GUESS WE'RE GIVING THEM THE DATA INSTEAD OF MONEY. OKAY, I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION RESOLUTION NUMBER ONE 100 20, 2325 2525.

SORRY, I JUST LOST TWO YEARS. MOVE APPROVAL. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARKE AND A SECOND BY THE VICE MAYOR. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE? I HAVE NONE SEEING NONE. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER REED. YES. VICE MAYOR COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. JOB. YES, MAYOR.

[10. THE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE REQUESTING A MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE LOCATED AT 39 SW OSCEOLA STREET (RC): RESOLUTION No. 98-2025, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, TO APPROVE A MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE EXCEPTION TO GLENN AND KIMBERLY GORDON WITH GORDON ENTERPRISES STUART, LLC ALSO KNOWN AS THE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE, TENANT AT 39 SW OSCEOLA STREET; TO ALLOW A FORMULA BUSINESS TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE FORMULA BUSINESS AREA AND TO WAIVE THE REQUIRED 300 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN FORMULA BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENTS; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

RIGHT. IF YOU'RE IF WE'RE ALL AGREED. RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ALL AGREE. YEAH.

YEAH. THREE OF YOU, THREE OF US. SO DO WE SET A TIME CERTAIN THEN? YES. I THINK THEY WERE REQUESTING A DATE. CERTAIN. YEAH, I WOULD MOVE NOVEMBER 10TH. YES, MAYOR. I WOULD MOVE THAT. WE CONTINUE. CAN WE ALLOW THE VICE MAYOR TO MAKE A MOTION? MAYOR, I WOULD MOVE THAT. WE CONTINUE ITEM TEN UNTIL NOVEMBER 10TH. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK TO MOVE ITEM TEN TO THE NOVEMBER 10TH AGENDA. CAN WE REQUEST THAT THEY MAKE AN EFFORT TO TALK TO EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS BEFORE THE NOVEMBER 10TH MEETING? I'M SURE THEY'LL I'VE DONE THAT ALREADY. PROBABLY. NO. THAT'S OKAY. DO WE NEED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. DO WE HAVE NONE? WHAT? OKAY. ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER READ. I'M SORRY. LOUGHLIN. WHAT PUBLIC COMMENT? WILL LOUGHLIN I DO HAVE ONE. I'M SORRY. OKAY. SORRY. IT WAS PRESENT AT THE MEETING. YOU GOT THREE MINUTES.

YOU GOT THREE MINUTES. BRIEFLY. SINCE THIS IS GOING TO BE CONTINUED ON, IT LOOKS LIKE.

BUT I WAS ON THE CRB. I WAS ONE OF THE MEMBERS THAT VOTED YES TO APPROVE THIS. AFTER I CAME IN. I DROVE IN THAT DAY THINKING THAT, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT A BIG BUSINESS COMING IN HERE AND POTENTIALLY SQUEEZING OUT SMALL BUSINESS. BUT WHAT I

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THEIR MARGINS ARE EXTREMELY HIGH. SO I DO NOT SEE THIS AS A POTENTIALLY NEGATIVE THING.

ALSO, I SEE A LOT OF POTENTIAL POSITIVES. THEY ARE POTENTIAL MENTORS. ONCE YOU SEE THE GORDONS AND HOW THEY OPERATE, YOU CAN TELL VERY QUICKLY THAT THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE AND THEY WANT TO HIRE A LOCAL PERSON TO ACT AS THEIR MANAGER. THIS MANAGER, WHOEVER THAT LUCKY INDIVIDUAL WILL BE, IF APPROVED, WILL LEARN HOW TO RUN A SMALL BUSINESS. THEY'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 12 YEARS. THIS WILL BE THEIR FOURTH OPERATION. WHEN I SPOKE TO CORPORATE, THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHO THESE PEOPLE WERE AND THEY SAID GLOWING THINGS ABOUT THEM. AND AGAIN.

YOU KNOW, THEY ALSO THE CORPORATE ALSO IDENTIFIED THAT THEY HAD THEY COULD CARRY UP TO THREE LOCAL SKUS. THAT WOULD MEAN THAT POTENTIALLY IF YOU HAD, LIKE THE MARTIN COUNTY HONEYCOMB CO-OP WANTED TO RUN THEIR HONEY THROUGH THEIR OPERATION, THEY COULD. SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE AREA TO MAYBE SEGUE INTO THIS AND VENTURE ON. SO THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THIS CODE LIKE GOING BACK TO HOW DID THE ROCKEFELLERS AND THE CARNEGIES BECOME THESE SUPER TYCOONS, THESE MONOPOLISTS? WELL, THEY COULDN'T DO IT IN THE 1890S. THEY COULDN'T DO IT. BUT THE EARLY 1910, 1912, THEY FIGURED OUT, HEY, LET'S GET CONGRESS TO PASS LAWS AND REGULATIONS. THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT VERY COST INHIBITIVE FOR COMPETITION. REMEMBER, ROCKEFELLER SAID COMPETITION IS A SIN. ONCE THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THE CONGRESS CRITTERS TO DO THAT AND THE REGULATIONS WERE IN PLACE, THAT'S WHEN THEY GOT THEIR MONOPOLIES. SO THE CODE IN THEORY, IS TO PROTECT AGAINST BIG BUSINESS. AND I LIKE THIS CODE HERE, BUT I ALSO LIKE HOW WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THIS CODE, I THINK WAS A GENIUS. THEY CREATED THE OPTIONS WHERE SMALL BUSINESSES CAN BE ALLOWED IF THEY MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS. THEY'RE NOT COMPETITIVE, THEY ARE GOING TO CONTRIBUTE. SO I JUST WANTED TO STATE AND I SEE THEY'RE NOT HERE. BUT WHEN THEY DO ARRIVE, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE WHAT YOU SEE. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER REED? DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR QUESTION? YES. I WAS ACTUALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THEM COMING TONIGHT FOR SOME GOOD DISCUSSION FROM MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. BUT WHAT I WANTED TO PUT INTO THE RECORD WAS MISS GORDON EMAILED ME LAST THURSDAY AT 1:55 P.M. AND I WON'T BORE YOU WITH THE WHOLE EMAIL, BUT AT THE END OF IT IT SAYS, P.S. WELL, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FIRST.

I HAVEN'T CALLED THEM BACK YET. I'VE BEEN VERY BUSY THIS WEEK, SHE SAYS. P.S. I TRIED GIVING YOU A CALL TODAY BUT WASN'T ABLE TO REACH YOUR VOICEMAIL. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. IT REALLY MEANT A LOT TO ME AS YOU ARE THE ONLY BOARD MEMBER I'VE HAD THE CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH. I TRULY APPRECIATE THAT YOU TOOK THE TIME TO LISTEN. WISHING YOU A WONDERFUL WEEKEND. SO THANK YOU. I WILL CALL YOU BACK. BY THE WAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE ONE. MARCELLA GAMBLER. MISS GAMBLER.

GOOD EVENING. MARCELLA. GAMBLER. MARCELLA GAMBLER AND ASSOCIATES. MY FIRM WAS HELPING THE GORDONS NAVIGATE THE REGULATORY PROCESS. THIS IS SOMETHING THEY THE APPLICATION THAT THEY STARTED THEMSELVES. BUT THEN IT BECAME A MAJOR CODE CONDITIONAL USE. IT WASN'T JUST OPENING A STORE.

THEY'RE NOT HERE, I AM HERE. THEY MISTAKENLY UNDERSTOOD THAT. JUST REQUESTING THIS LAST WEEK TO STAFF MEANT IT WAS AUTOMATICALLY MOVED. PART OF THE REASON FOR MOVING THIS IS I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FROM THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. NOT NOT MANY OF THEM COULD BE HERE THAT NIGHT. BUT I THINK WHEN YOU HEAR FROM THEM, AS THE BOARD MEMBER SAID, YOU WILL BE VERY IMPRESSED WITH THEIR BUSINESS. SO THANK YOU FOR MOVING THIS TO

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SO ALL I'D ASK IS THAT YOU GUYS, MAYBE IF YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITYT THAT LEVEL, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE I THINK THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF OF EVALUATING IT. AND IT'S A TOUGH ISSUE. AND PART OF THE REASON IT'S A TOUGH ISSUE IS BECAUSE THIS FORMULA BUSINESS CODE IS NOT REALLY CLEAR AS IT RELATES TO NUMBER ONE ON THE CODE. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU TO TAKE WHEN YOU'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THIS, TAKE A LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THIS CODE WILL FUNCTION THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. CONSIDERING THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY DENIED IN TEN YEARS. SO NOW IF I'M IF I'M A FRANCHISE THAT COMES IN WITH, YOU KNOW, 98 FRANCHISES AROUND THE UNITED STATES, AND I HAVE 5 OR 6, IS THAT IS THAT HOW DO YOU DENY THEM WHEN YOU'VE APPROVED EVERYBODY ELSE? SO ALL I'M ASKING IS TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT CRB DID AND AND ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT LANGUAGE IN THAT FORMULA, BUSINESS LANGUAGE TO SEE IF, IF IT'S EVEN DEFENSIBLE GOING FORWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHERS MADAM CLERK ROLL CALL PLEASE THEN. MAYOR RICH.

YES, COMMISSIONER. REED. YES, VICE MAYOR. COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. SELBY. YES,

[11. LEASE AMENDMENT WELLS FARGO - FLORIDA CANCER SPECIALISTS (RC): RESOLUTION No. 104-2025; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF AN AMENDMENT TO LEASE WITH TENANTS AT 301 SE OCEAN BLVD. TO ALLOW FOR THE TERMINATION OF LEASE IN THE YEAR 2028 AND TO ALLOW STAFF TO RELOCATE IN ACCORDANCE WITH PRIOR COMMISSION ACTION; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

I THEN THOUGHT THAT I HAD BOTH TENANTS SIGNATURES IN PLACE AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, AND ONLY ONE OF THEM GOT THE LEASE BACK TO ME IN TIME. SO WE HEARD THE BOWMAN LEASE, AND THAT WAS EXECUTED. AND THEN FOLLOWING THE BOWMAN LEASE, I RECEIVED THE SIGNATURE FROM THE FLORIDA CANCER SPECIALISTS. AND THAT IS ATTACHED AS WELL. IT HAPPENS TO BE THEIR FOURTH AMENDMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER AMENDMENTS WERE, BUT THE TERMS OF THE LEASE ARE REMAINING THE SAME. THEIR RENT IS LISTED THERE, AND ESSENTIALLY THE PURPOSE FOR THIS LEASE IS THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD ANOTHER OPTION. ON TOP OF THIS OPTION, THEY'VE FORGONE ANY FUTURE OPTIONS AND HAVE AGREED TO BE OUT IN THE END OF FEBRUARY OF 2028, WHICH IS THE EXACT SAME TIME AS BOWMAN'S. AND THAT WAY WE CAN START MAKING PLANS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. MARTELL? ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 104 2025.

I'LL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOB. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? I HAVE NONE. ANY QUESTIONS, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER.

CLERK. YES. COMMISSIONER. REED. YES. VICE MAYOR. COLLINS. YES, MAYOR. RICH. YES, COMMISSIONER.

[12. DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION OF CITY MANAGER'S EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT]

SO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR FROM THE BOARD TONIGHT, FIRST I WANT TO SAY I TOTALLY RESPECT YOU, MIKE, FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THE CITY AND WHAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY. YOU'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. I WASN'T HERE AS A BOARD MEMBER. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A YEAR, SO I WASN'T A PART OF THE HIRING PROCESS FOR YOUR POSITION. BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR PUBLICLY IS FOR YOUR RESIGNATION. AND FOR US TO GO LOOK FOR A NEW CITY MANAGER SO I CAN BE A PART OF THAT NEW PROCESS MOVING FORWARD. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT TO PLACE JOE LEE AS ACTING CITY MANAGER UNTIL WE CAN FIND A REPLACEMENT. AND I WANT TO DO EVERYTHING PUBLICLY SO I CAN

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AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY TONIGHT. SO ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION? YEP. SO MY MOTION WOULD BE TO PLACE JOLIE AS ACTING CITY MANAGER UNTIL WE CAN FIND A REPLACEMENT. AND I'M ALSO ASKING FOR CITY MANAGER TO PUT IN HIS RESIGNATION AS ACTING CITY MANAGER CURRENTLY. I'LL SECOND THAT. FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER REED, AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY THE VICE MAYOR. SO IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS MOTION? MARK BRECKFIELD, 406 SOUTHEAST FINNEY DRIVE, STUART, FLORIDA, 34996. YOU KNOW, I THINK WITH ANY CITY MANAGER, THEY'RE IN A TOUGH SPOT AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS. AND SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE WITH ALL OF THEM. BUT AND I WOULD SAY THAT'S TRUE WITH MIKE IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE HAD I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS ANSWERS ALL THE TIME, BUT I THINK WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE HIM. HE'S AN ATTORNEY. HE'S GOT EXPERIENCE AS A CITY MANAGER.

HE'S PREVIOUSLY BEEN AN ELECTED COMMISSIONER, SO HE UNDERSTANDS THE PRESSURE YOU GUYS ARE UNDER.

AND I JUST THINK THAT TO GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WEREN'T HERE, SEAN, AND I APPRECIATE THAT SOME OTHERS WEREN'T HERE. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN STUART BEFORE COMMISSIONER BECOMES A COMMISSIONER. AND I DON'T THINK WE MAKE A CHANGE AFTERWARDS JUST BECAUSE WE WEREN'T THERE OR WE WANT TO VET IT AGAIN. I MEAN, IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC ISSUES, MIKE SHOULD BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THOSE IN ANY PERSONNEL SITUATION AND, AND, AND HAVE SOME COMMENT RELATIVE TO WHAT WHAT THE SITUATION WAS AND BE BE TOLD. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT IF WE LOSE MIKE, I'M NOT SO SURE YOU'RE GOING TO FIND FOR THAT COST AN ATTORNEY, A PREVIOUS ELECTED OFFICIAL AND A CITY MANAGER WHO HAS THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE AND IS ABLE TO HELP US GET THROUGH THIS, THROUGH BUDGETS AND THROUGH EVERYTHING ELSE. SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT FOR ANY OTHER REASON OTHER THAN I THINK THAT THIS IS A PREMATURE MOTION IN THAT I THINK THAT FIRST, THE COUNCIL SHOULD PUT A GROUP TOGETHER TO MEET WITH HIM AND FIND OUT WHAT YOUR ISSUES ARE AND HAVE SOME. AND I THINK YOU EVEN MENTIONED THAT, SEAN, IT WAS A GOOD POINT. EVERYBODY'S ENTITLED TO A PERFORMANCE REVIEW, RIGHT? AND HE'S NEVER HAD ONE. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO LAY A PERSON OFF BEFORE THEY'VE HAD THAT PERFORMANCE REVIEW. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

I HAVE ROBIN CARTWRIGHT. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. I COULD MAKE THIS VERY PERSONAL, BUT I WILL NOT. I WILL KEEP IT FOCUSED STRICTLY ON ISSUES WITH THE CONTRACT THAT I'VE LOOKED OVER EXTENSIVELY. SO I WON'T DISCUSS HOW I HAVE BEEN PERSONALLY DISPARAGED OR MISREPRESENTED, AND THEN FOLLOWED UP WITH AN EMAIL SAYING THAT THAT WASN'T MY INTENTION. I WON'T DISCUSS THE COMMENTS WHERE HE HAS CALLED PEOPLE UNFORTUNATE NAMES LIKE A FAKE NEWS REPORTER. I WON'T DISCUSS HOW HE HAS KEPT CITY STAFF AND EMPLOYEES FOR THE PURPOSES OF THEIR DIVORCES, PRIVATE MORTGAGES AND TRAFFIC CITATIONS, INCLUDING A FORMER CITY COMMISSIONER. I WON'T DISCUSS HOW HE'S HAD ACCESS TO DISCOVERY THAT NOBODY WOULD HAVE HAD ACCESS TO OTHERWISE, THAT HE SHARED WITH TWO INDIVIDUALS, SO SOMEBODY COULD BE PERSONALLY SUED THAT HE MARKED UP, THAT HE SAID HE GOT AS A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. SO WHAT I WILL SHARE WITH YOU ARE THE FACT THAT HE IS USING CITY RESOURCES FOR HIS PERSONAL CLIENTS. THIS IS HAPPENING DURING THE WORK DAY, DURING WORK HOURS. SO IS HE BILLING SIMULTANEOUSLY WHILE HE'S BEING PAID A SALARY BY TAX DOLLARS? IS HE USING A CITY COMPUTER FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONDUCTING PERSONAL BUSINESS? HE IS DEFINITELY USING CITY EMAIL BECAUSE YOU CAN FIND THAT IN THE CLERK OF COURT RECORDS, NOT JUST IN MARTIN COUNTY, BUT IN BROWARD, INDIAN RIVER IN SAINT LUCIE COUNTY. HE'S ALSO USING THE CITY PARALEGAL AS HIS PERSONAL PARALEGAL. SO IS HE ALSO USING MISS CAVOS RESOURCES WHILE SHE'S BEING PAID BY CITY TAX DOLLARS TO BENEFIT HIS PERSONAL LAW BUSINESS? SO AGAIN, THIS IS A CONCERN BECAUSE IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S ENTRUSTED WITH PUBLIC INFORMATION AND PUBLIC ACCESS AND PUBLIC RECORDS, ARE THEY USING WHAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO IN A WAY THAT IS BENEFICIAL FOR THE TAXPAYERS FOR WHOM THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK? THANK YOU. I HAVE OLGA HAMILTON. ON ONE SOUTHWEST STREET, HAMILTON. IT'S YOU KNOW, I, I GREW UP DURING THE SOVIET TIMES,

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BUT I WAS ALSO UNDER THAT CAP OF THE STATE. WHEN THE STATE DICTATES YOU WHAT TO DO. IT'S IT'S A SCARY, SCARY STUFF. IT SHOULD BE SCARY STUFF FOR COMMISSIONERS WHEN THE COMMISSIONERS ARE GETTING THREATENED IF THEY DON'T DO OR SAY SOMETHING OR THEY CANNOT COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR CONSTITUENTS, THEY ARE GETTING THREATENED. IT'S IT'S VERY SCARY STUFF, BUT IT'S ALSO KIND OF VERY DISAPPOINTING STUFF FOR ME TO TO TO BE HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, YES, FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND EVERYTHING. BUT WHEN A CITY OFFICIAL ON LEADER POSITION JUST BRAZENLY GIVING FALSE INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSIONERS, BRAZENLY THAT THAT'S NOT GOOD WHEN HE WRITES YOU ONE THING, ANOTHER THING, THINGS TO US ON OUR PROJECT WHEN RIGHT OUT OF BED, WHEN CITY COMMISSIONER, WHEN HE WAS CITY ATTORNEY AND HE KNEW ABOUT DOE AGREEMENT ON SUB GRANT AND HOW THE CITY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR SUPERVISING NOT ONLY CONTRACTORS BUT ALSO CONSULTANTS, THE CITY HIRES. BUT FROM THE FIRST DAY WHEN CITY MANAGER, WHO IS ALSO THE OFFICE OF COURT RIGHT HERE ON THE DAIS SAYING CITY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR SUPERVISING THE PROJECT, RIGHT IN THE CONTRADICTION TO THE AGREEMENT THAT THE FALSE INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSIONERS. I UNDERSTAND YOU COMMISSIONERS HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO DO. AND WHEN I WRITE, THIS IS AS YOU SAY, MY GOODNESS. SHE WROTE AGAIN, FOUR PAGES DIATRIBE. BUT I WRITE IT TO PROTECT OURSELVES. AND BY THE WAY, TO PROTECT YOU TOO, WHEN I HAVE TO PUT ALL TOGETHER TO ADDRESS EVERY FACT. EVERY FACT, WHERE WAS FALSE INFORMATION GIVEN. SO PLEASE READ IT, READ THE DOCUMENTS, AND I ADDRESS ALL THE DOCUMENTS OVER 200 EMAILS AND MORE WILL COME. NOT TO YOU, BUT PROBABLY THE PETITION TO APPROPRIATE AGENCIES AS WELL, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOOD WHEN THE CITY OFFICIALS, WHEN THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS JUST GIVING FALSE INFORMATION. NEXT I HAVE ROBERT HAMILTON. ROBERT HAMILTON, 1895, CHURCH OF STEWART, THIRD STREET. I JUST WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OPERATING OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW AND THE SCOPE OF YOUR JOB DESCRIPTION. THAT'S WHAT I CONTRIBUTE TO THIS. WHAT HAPPENED HERE? THE CITY MANAGER OPERATE OUTSIDE HIS SCOPE, DAMAGED US, HURT US, ACCUSED US OF CRIMES. THE CHIEFS HERE. IF I THREATEN SOMEBODY, COME ARREST ME RIGHT NOW. NEVER THREATENED ANYONE OF YOU. PEOPLE HERE NEVER PARTICIPATED IN BID RIGGING LIKE I WAS ACCUSED OF. DIDN'T DO THAT AGAIN. OPERATING OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW. WE HAVE A CANCER IN THE COMMUNITY. YOU NEED TO REMOVE THE CANCER. WE NEED TO MOVE ON. ONE THING I WILL SAY, HE'S SMART. HE IS SMART. I LISTEN TO SOME OF THE THINGS HE DOES, AND IT'S A SHAME HE DIDN'T SIT DOWN AND JUST TALK TO ME, BECAUSE THIS COULD HAVE WENT AWAY VERY QUIETLY. I WASN'T ASKING FOR ANYTHING SPECIAL. WE WOULD HAVE WORKED IT OUT VERY QUIETLY AND I WOULD HAVE GOT MY PLACE FIXED. BUT NOW I CAN'T HAVE JENKINS BACK. I CAN'T TRUST MY CITY. MY CITY IS OUT TO GET ME. I MEAN, I HAVE TO THINK WITH THAT MENTALITY. NONE OF US IN THIS ROOM, NOBODY SHOULD THINK THAT. REMEMBER I TOLD YOU ALMOST A YEAR AGO, OUR SHIPS ARE GOING IN THE SAME DIRECTION. THIS MAN'S IN A DIFFERENT SHIP. ROBIN'S IN A DIFFERENT SHIP.

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THERE WAS NO NEGOTIATION. YOU WERE GOING TO BEAT ME OVER THE HEAD, BEAT ME OVER THE HEAD INTO SUBMISSION. I'M STILL STANDING. I'M BLOODIED, AND I'M HERE. I DON'T MEAN ILL WILL TO HIM OR ANYBODY ELSE. MR. BAGGETT, YOU'RE AN ATTORNEY. I WANT MY PLACE FIXED. I'M NOT GOING TO KEEP PLAYING. I'M NOT THREATENING NOBODY. I'VE COME TO YOU FOR A REASON. YOU KNOW THE DAMAGE THAT WAS DONE. THESE PEOPLE, THEY JUST DO NOT CARE. AND I'M SORRY THAT WE TAKE THE POSITION. WE TAKE. HE HAS TO GO WHEN YOU HAVE AN ISSUE. AND I WAS AN OFFICER WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. OH, BUDDY, YOU FOLLOWED THAT CHAIN OF COMMAND. BECAUSE IF NOT, YOU'RE OUT THAT FRONT DOOR. AND IT WAS OIL ROBINSON. THE ONE RUNNING OUT THE DOOR. ANYWAY, YOU HAVE A HARD JOB TO DO TONIGHT. WE PUT YOU HERE TO DO A HARD JOB. DO THE JOB. THANK YOU. TED ASTOLFI. GOOD EVENING. I'M A RESIDENT OF CITY OF STUART. BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS OR SO. I JUST WANT TO SPEAK UP ON BEHALF OF MIKE MARTEL AS A CITY MANAGER. AS A PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEY IS A FORMER LPA MEMBER. AS A FORMER CITY COMMISSIONER, MIKE, BEING AN ATTORNEY DOES NOTHING BUT DEFEND THIS COMMISSION AND KEEP YOU ALL SAFE FROM THE LAWS AND REGULATIONS OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE COUNTY AND THE CITY OF STUART. HE HE DEFENDS YOU TO THE NTH DEGREE. I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T LIKE HIM. I KNOW THEY END UP ON THE LOSING SIDE SOMETIMES. THAT'S A HARD PLACE TO BE. BEEN THERE. I DON'T LIKE IT BUT BEEN THERE. YOU CAN'T BLAME THE PERSON THAT YOU WERE ARGUING WITH. THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO FOR THEIR CITY. I DON'T APPRECIATE THE AMBUSH OF AN EMPLOYEE, ANY EMPLOYEE, IN COMING OUT AND SAYING, I WANT YOUR RESIGNATION WITHOUT HAVING TALKED TO THEM FIRST AND DISCUSSING YOUR ISSUES WITH THEM AND WORKING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES AND GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY. USUALLY YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CORRECTIVE ACTION IF THERE ARE ISSUES. I'VE NEVER HEARD THIS BEFORE. I DON'T KNOW IF MR. MARTEL HAS HAD THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TAKING PLACE.

DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WHEN I SAW THE ITEM COME UP, BUT I THINK IT'S A I'VE. I'VE BEEN THROUGH MULTIPLE SELECTION PROCESSES FOR CITY MANAGERS AND CITY ATTORNEYS, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT YOU WON'T FIND ANYBODY BETTER THAN WHAT YOU HAVE NOW. WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE HERE THAT DIDN'T LAST VERY LONG, FOR REASONS I CAN JUST TELL YOU FROM BEING HERE FOR SO LONG AND BEING INVOLVED IN GOVERNMENT, I WOULD BE VERY UPSET AS A CITY COMMISSIONER, AS A CITY RESIDENT, TO LOSE MIKE MARTEL, ESPECIALLY IN THIS WAY. SO THANK YOU. MAYOR MATHESON. YOU KNOW, I'VE HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED LATELY WITH THE CITY OF STUART IN THE PAST. DID YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE, SIR. AND YOUR ADDRESS? HI, I'M MERRITT MATHESON. I LIVE AT 506 SOUTHWEST SOUTH CAROLINA DRIVE, STUART, FLORIDA. YOU KNOW, STARTING OVER. I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED MUCH WITH THE CITY PAST YEAR OR SO. BUT I'VE STARTED TO PAY ATTENTION A LITTLE BIT. THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. I'M NOT SEEING A LICK OF IT RIGHT NOW. I'M HEARING SOME ACCUSATIONS. I'VE NEVER SEEN A COMMISSION SO INTENT ON FINDING A CONSPIRACY OR DRUMMING UP PROBLEMS. I'M ALSO LOOKING AT A COMMISSION WHERE I SEE ONE COMMISSIONER WHO'S BEEN PART OF PICKING A CITY MANAGER. BESIDES TRANSFERRING A CITY ATTORNEY OVER. BUT I WANT YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WOULD MAKE THE RIGHT CITY MANAGER. FOR ME. IT WAS SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN THE CITY, HAS THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS, HAS KNOWLEDGE OF THE JOB OF BEING A COMMISSIONER. HAS HOMETOWN ROOTS, HAS KNOWLEDGE OF THE JOB, OF PERHAPS BEING THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND IS WILLING TO BE ON CALL 24 OVER SEVEN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES. AND I'LL GUARANTEE YOU, ANY NEW COMMISSIONER IS GOING TO LOOK AT ALL THESE MEETINGS. AND WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET AFTER THEY SEE ALL THESE MEETINGS AND ALL THESE ACCUSATIONS? AND WHAT I JUST SAW RIGHT NOW, IF THERE'S A REASON TO REMOVE SOMEONE, LAY OUT THE FACTS, MAKE THIS A

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I'M SORRY, BUT A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS I HEAR AT THESE MEETINGS, A COMMISSIONER SHOULD KNOW THE ANSWER WELL BEFORE THEY COME TO A MEETING. DO YOUR HOMEWORK. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO ASK FOR SOMEONE'S RESIGNATION, LAY OUT THE FACTS, BECAUSE I PROMISE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANOTHER CITY MANAGER TO APPLY. AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH THEM. IT'S NOT EASY.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES ON CALL FOR 24 HOURS A DAY IF YOU DO THIS, BUT IF YOU DO IT, BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT. I HAVE RAJ PATEL. I THINK WE LOVE HIM. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A POINT TO REBUT. PART OF THAT BEFORE WE GO ON IS I ACTUALLY OUT OF RESPECT FOR MIKE? I WOULD RATHER NOT OPEN UP EVERYTHING AND TRY TO LITIGATE HIS FAULTS, BECAUSE IF WE DO END UP HIRING ANOTHER CITY MANAGER, THEY WOULD WATCH THE VIDEO. AND OUT OF RESPECT TO PROTECT MIKE. AND I'M NOT SAYING I'M PLANNING ON FIRING HIM RIGHT NOW, JUST TO YOUR POINT, HOPING IT DOESN'T GO IN THAT DIRECTION, THAT WE DON'T DO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I, I WAS A PART OF THE BOARD THAT DID HIRE MIKE AND. I WOULD RATHER NOT GO THAT PATH. I HOPE IF ANYTHING, IF THE THE INTENT IS TO HIRE A NEW CITY MANAGER, THAT WE DO SO RESPECTFULLY AND, YOU KNOW, NOT LITIGATE HIM ON THE DAIS AS A NEIGHBOR, AS SOMEBODY ELSE WHO LIVES IN THIS TOWN THAT HAS BEEN A PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEY AND COMMISSIONER. OUT OF RESPECT FOR MIKE, I WOULD RATHER NOT DO WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. MADAM CLERK. RAJ. PATEL. PATEL. HI. RAJ PATEL, I LIVE IN PALM CITY, BUT I'M A STEWARD TAXPAYER. FOR MANY DECADES, I HAD NO INTENTION OF SPEAKING. TODAY. I JUST WANTED TO TO SEE WHAT THE PERFORMANCE REVIEW WAS ABOUT. MIKE WARTELL HAS DONE NO FAVORS FOR ME, IF AT ALL. I'VE ASKED HIM TO HELP ME. HE'S HELPED WITHIN HIS CAPACITY. HE'S NOT DONE ANY FAVORS FOR ME. A LITTLE SURPRISE THAT INSTEAD OF A PERFORMANCE REVIEW, WE'RE ASKING FOR RESIGNATION. IT'S A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING.

CONSIDERING HE'S GOT A WEALTH OF INFORMATION, AND I THINK HE DOES EVERYTHING THAT THE COMMISSIONERS ASKED HIM TO DO. I WATCH IT, I WATCH THE COMMISSION MEETINGS FROM IF I'M OVERSEAS, I WATCH IT. IF I'M HERE, I WATCH IT. THE THE MAN HAS A TOUGH JOB TO DO. IT'S VERY SAD TO SEE THIS TYPE OF THING WHERE I HAD NO INTENTION TO SPEAK AGAIN, BUT I FILLED OUT THE FORM BECAUSE COMMISSIONERS ARE ASKING FOR HIS RESIGNATION. I IMPLORE YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND DISCUSS IT. GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENT. OKAY. COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER REED. YEAH, I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE ANY OF THIS PERSONAL, SO I WON'T GO IN THAT DIRECTION TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS, SOME OF THE STUFF I DIDN'T WANT IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC. SO, YOU KNOW, OUT OF RESPECT TO MIKE, I WAS JUST ASKING POLITELY FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND NOT TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION TO BRING UP THINGS OR ACCUSE OR ANY OF THAT NARRATIVE. SO I ASKED FOR IT TO COME UP AS A DISCUSSION ITEM. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A YEAR. I RESPECT YOU WHETHER YOU'VE BEEN A PRIOR COMMISSIONER, YOU'RE A CURRENT COMMISSIONER. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A YEAR, THOUGH, AND THAT'S MY THOUGHTS, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S ON THE AGENDA. AND I MADE A MOTION

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AND HE SAID THAT HE THOUGHT THE BEST WAY TO EVALUATE THE CITY MANAGER WOULD BE TO TALK TO THE DIRECTORS. I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I, I TRULY AM SURPRISED AT THE APPROACH WE'RE TAKING TONIGHT JUST BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE AND NO ONE'S CALLED ME TO DISCUSS TERMINATING ME ONCE OR TO TELL ME WHY THEY WERE TERMINATING ME, OR TO EVEN TELL ME WHICH THING I DID WRONG IN MY JOB. SO IF YOU'RE INCLINED TO GO DOWN THAT PATH, I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING ANYWHERE. I'VE LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE. WE'VE OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU MENTIONED, BEEN WORKING PROFESSIONALLY FOR THE LAST 2 OR 3 WEEKS. IN BETWEEN THOSE, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DIRECT THIS, BE PUT ON ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM FOR A MORE FORMAL PROCEEDING SO THAT IT CAN ACTUALLY BE NOTICED PROPERLY UNDER THE STATE LAW AS IT RELATES TO DUE PROCESS, AND NOTICE AND ADDRESS IT ACCORDINGLY. BECAUSE THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT ASKED ME IF THEY SHOULD COME TO TONIGHT'S MEETING AND I HONESTLY TOLD THEM NO, I SAID I READ COMMISSIONER REED'S COMMENTS IN THE PAPER. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE BRINGING UP TONIGHT. I THINK IF THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'LL BRING THAT UP FOR ANOTHER MEETING. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THAT'S YOUR GUYS'S PREROGATIVE. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT I HAD NO IDEA IT WAS COMING. AND I, YOU KNOW, NOR DID I. COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MARSHALL.

THANK YOU. MR. COMMISSIONER REED, FOR BRINGING THIS UP. SO WHEN COMMISSIONER REED SAID SOMETHING LAST WEEK OR THE LAST MEETING I THOUGHT THAT HE JUST WANTED, I WAS SURPRISED WHY HE HAD TO BRING IT UP IN THE COMMISSION. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THIS. THERE WAS SOMETHING MORE BEHIND IT. I THOUGHT HE JUST WANTED TO GET A DETAILED COPY OF THE CONTRACT, AND I THOUGHT I SAID, I HAVEN'T A PROBLEM. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHY NOTHING SPECIFIC IS ON HERE OTHER THAN A DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION.

AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE WILL, AS THE COMMISSION, TO DEAL WITH THE EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT TERMINATION OR WHATEVER WE WHATEVER STAGE WE WANT TO PUT THAT HIS ABILITY TO SERVE US IN. BUT I AM I MEAN, I, I PREPARED IN THAT I, I, I REALIZED THAT I, I LOOKED AT HIS CONTRACT. I DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY GO THROUGH AND SEE ANYTHING THAT HE WASN'T OR WASN'T DOING. BUT I'VE HEARD ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US. THIS ONE INSTANCE IS NOT THE REST OF HIS WHOLE SERVICE TO THE CITY AND TO THE EMPLOYEES. AND. I JUST, I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO TO PULL BACK AND THINK ABOUT THIS. WE'RE AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

WE'RE STARTING A NEW BUDGET. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE AT THE END OF THE YEAR. WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE STARTING. WE JUST STARTED A NEW BUDGET. IF YOU IF WE EVEN IF WHETHER OR NOT MIKE STAYS ON, WE'RE TALKING ANYWHERE UPWARDS OF PROBABLY 275,000 OR MORE, PLUS OTHER BENEFITS AND OTHER THINGS FOR A NEW PERSON, PLUS, THE HIRING PROCESS ALONE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BRING US INTO SOME SERIOUS MONEY TO TO TRY TO GET SOMEBODY FROM OTHER PLACES. THIS TACTIC AND THIS WAY OF DEALING WITH THINGS IN THE IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST I'M VERY, I, I'M JUST VERY IT'S I THINK THE, THE WORD IF YOU COULD READ THAT I DON'T I'M NOT GOING TO READ THAT CONDUCT CODE OF CONDUCT AGAIN. BUT THAT AMBUSH, THAT AMBUSH. YES. IT'S JUST VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY STRIKING TO ME AND I, I JUST I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO COOL OFF AND THINK ABOUT THIS AND, AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN BEST MANAGE OUR CITY. AND I AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, THAT'S BECAUSE YOU, YOU WE WE MIGHT NEED SOMEBODY ELSE TO MANAGE THE CITY. BUT I THINK THAT IF WE CAN WORK WITH THE PERSON AND THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE. I, I JUST, I, I WOULD, I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF ANY TYPE OF TERMINATION OF MR.

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SO. RIGHT. SO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE BRINGING IT. SO I DON'T KNOW, I FEEL LIKE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE CHARACTERIZING IT A LITTLE BIT AS. NOT BEING OPEN, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE. YEAH. WE HAVE TO WEIGH THE PROS AND CONS OF OF BENEFIT TO OUR CITY IN THE IN AT THIS POINT IN TIME. I MEAN HE HAS SPECIFIC RESPONSIBILITY IS THE IMPLICATION THAT HE HAS FAILED TO FULFILL SOME OF THESE RESPONSIBILITIES. AND SECTION 3.05, YOU KNOW, I WE JUST GOT TO STOP WORRYING ABOUT SPARING HIS FEELINGS. WE'RE TAKING HIS JOB AWAY FROM HIM. SO AGAIN, WE NEED WE NEED TO KNOW HOW HE HAS FAILED. IF HE HAS FAILED, THERE'S ACTUALLY A CENTER CITY MANAGER EVALUATION FORM. I HAVEN'T TAKEN THE TIME TO DO THAT. I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO A SINGLE DEPARTMENT HEAD. THERE ARE 11 DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY. I SURE AS HECK AM GOING TO TALK TO EACH ONE OF THEM AND ASK HOW THEY WOULD EVALUATE MR. MORTALS. IF, I MEAN IF HE'S FAILED, DO YOU THINK THAT THAT A THROUGH L APPROPRIATE TO DO IN THE TWO WEEKS THAT THIS TIME THIS HAS BEEN AGENDIZED THAT WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING HIS HIS CONTRACT IF THAT WAS THE CASE. HE'S CERTAINLY ENTITLED TO DUE PROCESS, A MORE REASONABLE PROCESS, YOU'RE ASKING NONE OF US DID YOU KNOW THAT HE WAS GOING TO. COMMISSIONER REED WAS GOING TO SUGGEST, I MEAN, IF IN FACT, HE SAID THE OPPOSITE. IF YOU BRING UP DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION OF THE CITY MANAGER'S EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT, MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME THOUGHT ABOUT HIRING A NEW CITY MANAGER. HE SAID THE OPPOSITE. HE IN FACT SAID THE OPPOSITE. THAT WOULD BE MY ASSUMPTION IF WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IT. OKAY. BUT SO THAT'S WHEN I WOULD USE THAT DUE DILIGENCE AND ASSUME ALL I HAVE TO DO IS READ THE NEWSPAPER AND SAID HE WASN'T GOING TO. MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T GO WITH WHAT THE NEWSPAPER SAYS, AND WE SHOULD JUST ASSUME OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON OUR OWN. I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T. HAS HE FAILED COMMISSIONER REED? HAS HE FAILED TO PERFORM ANY OF THE SPECIFIC DUTIES OUTLINED IN SECTION THREE POINT A THROUGH L? YES, YES. SO, COMMISSIONER JOB.

YEAH. I DIDN'T READ THE NEWS ARTICLE, BUT I WAS ASKED THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION BY KEITH AND I SAID I WASN'T GOING TO DISCUSS ANYTHING ELSE ON THE PHONE. I SAID, YOU CAN COME TO THE MEETING, BY THE WAY. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEWS ARTICLE SAID ON THAT. AND I DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS OF SPECIFIC EXAMPLES. COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER GMB, FOR RESPECT TO MIKE. OKAY. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T WANT TO DO. YOU CAN JUST BUMP ME, COMMISSIONER CLARK. COMMISSIONER GROVE, I WILL AGREE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO'VE SPOKEN FOR MR. MORTEL. HE IS HE HAS A PLETHORA OF KNOWLEDGE. HE'S BEEN A CITY MANAGER. HE'S BEEN A CITY COMMISSIONER, HE'S BEEN A CITY ATTORNEY. HE'S NOW BEEN CITY MANAGER, AND HE HAS DONE HIS JOB WELL. AND IF YOU SPEAK TO ALL OF HIS DIRECTORS OR THE EMPLOYEES, I'M SURE THAT HE RUNS THOSE DEPARTMENTS MAGNIFICENTLY AND THAT THEY ALL LOVE HIM. I'M A NEW COMMISSIONER AND I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THE WEEDS, BUT FROM DAY ONE, THERE WAS A LEVEL OF WHAT I COULD SAY THAT MISREPRESENTATION AND TRUST. SO FOR ME, THAT'S AN ISSUE. AND I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GO FURTHER THAN THAT. BUT THAT'S BASICALLY PART OF MY AGENDA. AND AS TO HIS KNOWLEDGE AND ALL THAT HE'S DONE FOR THE CITY, HANDS DOWN, HE'S KNOWLEDGEABLE TO TO ANYONE IN THIS ROOM. I MEAN, REALLY, HE HAS DONE, IN THAT SENSE, A FANTASTIC JOB. HE KNOWS THE CITY, HE'S LIVED HERE, HE'S BEEN A RESIDENT, AND WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE AS A COMMISSIONER, WHETHER YOU'RE NEW OR OLDER, COMMISSIONER, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TRUST THE INFORMATION YOU'RE GIVEN. WE CANNOT REALLY I DO INVESTIGATE A LOT, BUT WE CANNOT. WE HAVE TO RELY ON SOMEONE TO LET US KNOW THIS IS THE WAY TO GO. AND I DON'T ALWAYS FEEL THAT THAT IT WAS. I FEEL THAT SOMETIMES IT WAS MISREPRESENTED. AND MY VOTE WAS THEN BASED ON THAT. AND I, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT REASON ALONE. THANK YOU. AND YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO PROVIDE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF THAT MISREPRESENTATION. AGAIN, I THINK AS THE VICE MAYOR SAID, I DON'T THINK THAT WE WANT THIS TO BECOME A COURT WHERE ALL OF

[03:10:05]

SOMEBODY SAID THAT ON THIS, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS SUCH AN AWKWARD PROCESS THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE ON THE DAIS IN PUBLIC. BUT THAT'S THE BURDEN WE HAVE. AND I THINK THAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY WE NEED TO ACCEPT. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAD ANTICIPATED BRINGING UP THAT THE HR DEPARTMENT DOES, IN FACT, HAVE A EVALUATION PROCESS THAT COULD COULD BE DONE. AND QUITE FRANKLY, IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, THE COMMISSION COULD DO THAT EVALUATION PROCESS. AND IF THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION FELT THAT THERE WAS A TRUST ISSUE OR A PROBLEM WITH IT, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY THE CITY GETS OPERATED FOR TWO WEEKS. I MEAN, I'VE ALWAYS LOVED THE CITY AND I'VE BEEN COMMITTED TO THE CITY. THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO DO IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO MY COWORKERS, BECAUSE I RESPECT ALL OF THEM, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO WELL. SO IF YOU GUYS ARE INCLINED TO GO DOWN THAT PATH, I WOULD STILL RECOMMEND GOING PROCEDURALLY DO THE EVALUATION THROUGH THE HR DIRECTOR, MEET WITH THE DIRECTORS OF THE CITY, GET THE FEEDBACK FROM IT, TALK TO THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN MAKE YOUR DECISION AND MEET WITH ME AS WELL AND TALK TO ME ABOUT IT SO THAT I AT LEAST UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR POSITION IS, OR WHY YOU FEEL THE WAY YOU FEEL. I'M GOING TO LET MR. BAGGETT COME IN HERE. HE'S BEEN PATIENT. MR. BAGGETT, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YEAH. EVEN BEFORE MR. MORTEL MADE HIS INITIAL COMMENTS, I HAD MADE NOTES THAT WE FAILED TO PROPERLY NOTICE THE PUBLIC ADVERTISE THIS ISSUE. I ALSO

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[03:20:02]

BUT YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING. WELL, WE COULD I KNOW THE DIFFERENT. WHY DON'T WE JUST. IT'S NOT HAPPENING. COMMISSIONER JOB. OKAY, WELL, WE COULD MAKE A BLEND OF THIS IF IF MIKE WOULD STAY ON FOR THE TWO WEEKS OR THREE WEEKS THAT WE NEED TO MEET WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS AND NEED TO MEET WITH MIKE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO AIR ALL OF THAT ON THE DAIS WHEN WE COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS. CORRECT. OKAY, OKAY. THAT'S FINE. I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

SO HE'D COME BACK AS AN AGENDA ITEM. SO I'LL AMEND MY MOTION FOR IT TO COME BACK AS AN AGENDA ITEM THEN. AND THEN OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, WITHDRAWING YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION. WELL, I'M AMENDING IT. SO WHY DON'T WE JUST WITHDRAW IT FOR SAKE? EASE. AND YOUR NEW MOTION IS SIMPLY TO BRING THIS BACK AS AN AGENDA. WHICH WHICH ONE'S EASIER? LEE, JUST AMEND YOUR MOTION. NO, IT'S SECONDED. MADE AND SECONDED. JUST WITHDRAW IT. I'M SOMEWHAT CONCERNED WHAT THE MOTION IS. SO. YEAH. SO THE MOTION WOULD BE FOR IT TO COME BACK AS AN AGENDA ITEM IN TWO WEEKS. AND IN THE MEANTIME, I HAVE NO PROBLEM MEETING WITH MIKE. IF ANY OTHER FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS WANT TO MEET WITH MIKE AND DISCUSS THINGS, BUT FOR IT TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS, WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY. SO GOOD. IT'S A VERY SIMPLE MOTION THAT THIS COME BACK AS AGENDA ITEM ON THE NEXT MEETING. FOR THE NEXT MEETING, WHAT COMES BACK IN TWO WEEKS? HIS HIS EMPLOYMENT DISCUSSION.

OKAY. IN TWO WEEKS, AFTER HAVING MET WITH MIKE AND SOME DEPARTMENT. WELL, THE MOTION DOES NOT INCLUDE WHETHER YOU MEET WITH MR. MORTEL OR NOT. THAT'S UP TO YOU. I HAVE NO PROBLEM. MEETING IS ASKING. YEAH, CORRECT. AND PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA THEN TO HAVE THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENT HEADS PRESENT AND OR JOE LEE, SINCE THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT DECISION MAKING. HYPOTHETICALLY, I'M PRETTY SURE THE CITY MANAGER NEEDS TO LIVE IN THE CITY. DOES HE OR NOT? I WOULD THINK SO. SO FOR FOR AN INTERIM NOT YOU CAN MAKE AN EXCEPTION BUT THAT THE THE CHARTER REQUIRES THE CITY MANAGER TO BE PRESENT. THE PROBLEM WITH APPOINTING JOLIE RIGHT NOW IS THAT HE'S NOT PRESENT TOMORROW. GOTCHA. YEAH. WAS THAT LEE OR WAS IT CLEAR? LEE. NO, THAT'S THAT'S A CLEAR. MADAM CLERK, DO YOU HAVE IT? IT'S CLEAR. DO YOU MIND READING IT BACK? JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, CITY MANAGER REMAINS ON DUTY AND AN AGENDA ITEM FOR HIS EMPLOYMENT DISCUSSION WILL BE BROUGHT BACK IN TWO WEEKS. ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THAT? LANGUAGE SHOULD BE YES. AND DEPARTMENT HEADS TO BE PRESENT. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? FORGIVE ME. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER REED AND A SECOND BY THE VICE MAYOR.

IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? NO. ANY ADDITIONS? OKAY. JUST IN LISTENING TO WHAT WAS SAID FROM THE DAIS, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE WHERE NOTICE WASN'T PROVIDED JUST HERE ON THE AGENDA. I UNDERSTAND YOUR YOUR DESIRE TO BE FAIR TO MR. MORTEL AND GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FOR HIMSELF. BUT I DON'T THINK ANY OF THIS STUFF WAS JUST DECIDED BY ANY ONE OF YOU. JUST TONIGHT. SO, AS I HEARD, COMMISSIONER JOB SAID, THIS WAS AN EXPERIENCE OVER TIME. SO I THINK THINK PEOPLE WERE NOTICED. I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. I DISAGREE WITH YOU. BUT. OKAY, FINE. AND AS FAR AS. HIM BEING PUT ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE, I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE SO THAT HE'S NOT IN THE MIDST OF, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE

[03:25:03]

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE BOUND TO. THAT MAY BE A NICE IDEA, BUT THE THOSE THREE CHARTER POSITIONS SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD. CORRECT. SO IN THE SAME WAY WE HAD IN IN THE SAME WAY WE HAD AN EVALUATION PROCESS WITH HIRING RUTH, FOR INSTANCE, IT WASN'T NECESSARY FOR HER HIRING. RIGHT? SO I THINK THE ISSUE MANDATING THAT WE'RE MEETING WITH ANYBODY OR, YOU KNOW, NO, I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN THE MOTION IS WHAT I'M SAYING. CERTAINLY NOT MANDATING THAT, BUT GIVING ANY EMPLOYEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO WHAT THE CONCERNS, ALLEGATIONS, PERFORMANCE, BEHAVIOR, ALL OF THOSE JUST TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THAT OUT. RIGHT. THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE THE DECISION THAT YOU MAKE, BUT NOT TO GIVE ANY EMPLOYEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THEIR OWN BEHALF WITH THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE IS, IS IS GENERAL PROCESS? NO, BUT BUT JUST THAT BEING INCLUDED IN THE MOTION? NO, NO IT SHOULD NOT I THINK IT'S IT'S MESSY. I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A CONTINGENCY. AGREED. I THINK YOU JUST THE MOTION IS FINE. YOU CAN'T COMPEL BEHAVIOR.

RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I THINK THE MISSION, THE MOTION IS SIMPLE. MR. MCCRYSTAL HAVE A FRANK COMMENT. OKAY. WOW. THIS IS THIS IS HARD. THIS IS ABOUT AS HARD AS IT GETS. AND I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT GET UP HERE AND MOAN AND GROAN ABOUT MIKE FOR LITTLE SPECIFIC ISSUES, THAT THEY HAVE PERSONAL PROBLEMS WITH THEM, FOR SURE. NO ONE CAN ARGUE THAT MIKE IS. I MEAN, WHO'S MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE CITY OF STUART? GOOD LUCK. GOOD LUCK FINDING SOMEBODY, MR. BRAKEBILL SECOND, I GUESS. SO. AS MUCH AS I CAN BE ACCUSED OF NOT BEING GREAT ON GREAT DETAILS OR EVEN CARING ABOUT THE GREAT DETAILS, LIKE WHEN YOU'RE WHEN I'M INTRODUCED TO YOU, I WON'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME BECAUSE I'M CHECKING OUT YOUR BODY LANGUAGE AND WHO YOU REALLY ARE. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR NAME IS, I WON'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME. THAT'S JUST THE WAY I'VE ALWAYS BEEN. BUT I THINK MY STRENGTH HAS ALWAYS BEEN. LOOKING AT THINGS FROM 30,000FT AND. IT'S LIKE WHAT I'M HEARING AND. AND WHAT I'VE SEEN SPECIFICALLY, JUST AS SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE IS A FEW TIMES WHERE. IT SEEMS LIKE MIKE'S ON A DIFFERENT PAGE THAN THAN YOU GUYS, AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE BIG PICTURE. IF, IF THE, IF THIS MAJORITY COMMISSION TODAY. IF WE CAN ALL REMEMBER THE THE ELECTION AND WHY YOU WERE ELECTED, OKAY. FOR

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THAT'S MY VIEW FROM, FROM FROM FROM FAR AWAY, I MEAN. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. MAYOR, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER SELBY. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. NO. COMMISSIONER REED. YES. VICE MAYOR. COLLINS. YES. MAYOR.

RICH. NO. SEE? NO

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.