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WILL GET HERE, BUT WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE'RE GOOD FROM THAT STANDPOINT. ALRIGHT LET'S CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. ROLL CALL. CHAIR. BROOKVILLE HERE. VICE CHAIR. MOSER HERE. BOARD MEMBER.
JAMES. BOARD MEMBER. LAUGHLIN HERE. BOARD MEMBER. MANARA HERE. BOARD MEMBER. SHARER HERE. AND BOARD MEMBER. WHALEN. ALL RIGHT. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT. LOOKING FOR A MOTION
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TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OR IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES. MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. BONNIE APPROVED A MOTION A SECOND, SECOND, JEFF. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. WE'LL GO[APPROVAL OF AGENDА]
APPROVE THE AGENDA, PLEASE. OH, DID I SKIP THAT? YES. OH, SORRY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? SO MOVED. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. WELL, ALL IN FAVOR. I OPPOSED OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE'RE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON NON-AGENDA RELATED ITEMS. YES. ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I HAVE NONE, CHAIR. OKAY. COMMENTS BY THE BOARD MEMBERS[COMMENTS BY BOARD MEMBERS (Non-Agenda Items)]
ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS START WITH YOU. WILL YOU GOT ANYTHING HERE THIS MORNING? ACTUALLY, I HATE TO BE THAT GUY THAT DRAGS A MEETING. YOU CAN GO FOR HOURS, BUT I. I HAVE A PLACE TO BE AT 8:00, SO I CAN GUARANTEE THAT I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE THAT LONG. BUT I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS. FIRST COMMENT WAS ALL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS, NO MATTER HOW WELL INTENTIONED, ULTIMATELY TAKE FROM ONE GROUP AND GIVE IT TO ANOTHER. AND ONCE A PROGRAM IS ESTABLISHED, IT RARELY IF EVER, GOES AWAY. TYPICALLY, THERE ARE UNFORESEEN AND UNINTENTIONAL CONSEQUENCES RELATED TO THESE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. NOW, LAST WEEK, OR I SHOULD SAY LAST MONTH WHEN WE HAD THE MEETING WITH THE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE, WE HAD A WE WERE VERY CONFLICTED AND I THOUGHT WE DID A GREAT JOB. AND AND I WAS ACTUALLY VERY PROUD AND HONORED TO BE WITH THIS GROUP. AND JUST WAIT, WE'LL CHANGE THAT. WELL, YEAH. YOU KNOW, IT STRUCK ME AS LIKE, YOU'RE LIKE THE WILLIAM WALLACE WHERE THE STUDENT AND AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THESE OUTSIDERS TO COME IN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND AND I HAD TO BREAK RANKS AND VOTE. YES. NO. AND, AND THAT IT STRUCK ME BECAUSE SOMETHING WAS EATING AT ME. SO I ENDED UP DOING SOME MORE RESEARCH. AND THEN THE RESEARCH I DID, I CALLED LIKE THE CORPORATE OFFICES OF, OF THIS COMPANY AND SNOOPED AROUND, ASKED THEM QUESTIONS, FOUND OUT THAT BASICALLY THOSE INDIVIDUALS, THE GORDONS WHO HAD APPLIED AREN'T GOING TO GET ANY BENEFITS REALLY. IN FACT, IF ANYTHING, THEY DIDN'T FLAT OUT ADMIT IT. I COULD TELL FROM THEIR TONE OF VOICE THAT THEY KNEW THAT, IF ANYTHING, THEY WERE MORE OF A HINDRANCE TO THEM. SO AFTER ALL OF THIS CONVERSATIONS AND BREAKING DOWN THINGS, I SAID, WELL, I'M GOING TO GO SPEAK. AND I DID TO THE REGULAR COUNTY COMMISSION AND SAID, WHY? I THOUGHT WE SHOULD THEY SHOULD MAYBE CONSIDER APPROVING THEM EVEN THOUGH IT WENT AGAINST THIS BOARD. SO I KIND OF FELT BAD ABOUT THAT.BUT I'M LIKE, WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING WAS EATING AT ME TODAY. WE HAVE A MORAL DILEMMA, IN MY OPINION. AND SO AS I WAS READING WHAT WAS ON THE AGENDA. AND MORAL DILEMMAS BASICALLY CAN BE DEFINED AS CHOOSING ONE OPTION OFTEN MEANS VIOLATING THE ETHICAL CONSIDERATIONS OF THE OTHER. SO ESSENTIALLY THIS LED TO THE WHOLE ME THINKING ABOUT THE CRA. AND WHAT'S THIS ALL ABOUT? WE'RE GOING TO GRANT $3,000 OF TAXPAYER FUNDS TO POTENTIALLY GRANT 3000 FUNDS TO A BUSINESS OWNER. I'M ALL ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS. SO I'M SITTING THERE THINKING, WOW, OKAY, YOU KNOW, HOW AM I GOING TO VOTE ON THIS? I SET IT ASIDE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT COMES TO THE AS I'M SITTING THERE THINKING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT SPOKE AT THE AT THE ONE MEETING IN SUPPORT OF SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, REALLY DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO FORCE AT GUNPOINT AS LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL ENFORCE FORECLOSURE ON SOMEBODY IF THEY DON'T PAY THEIR TAXES? DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPECIFICALLY ASK ANOTHER TO GIVE TO SOMEBODY ELSE? AND I THOUGHT OF THE COMMENTS FROM MISS PETERS, WHO WAS THE OWNER OF THE FUNKY MONKEY, I BELIEVE, AND THEN MISS CAMPBELL, WHO I THINK IS THE OWNER OF GUMBO LIMBO, AND MR. MOORE OF KILWINS, WHO SPOKE ABOUT FREE MARKETS AND BEING ON THE CODE, WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, IN HIS OPINION. AND AND I'M SITTING THERE AND I'M THINKING I'M LIKE, WOW, THIS IS KIND OF
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A DILEMMA, RIGHT? COMING UP AHEAD OF ME. SO THEN IN A DIVINE INTERVENTION, IT'S FUNNY HOW THINGS HAPPEN. I SET SOMETHING ASIDE AND USUALLY WITHIN 15 MINUTES OR SO, SOMETHING WILL POP IN OUT OF NOWHERE. SO I OPEN, I CLICK ON A FINANCIAL SITE, AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS ARTICLE AND I SEE SOMEBODY MAKE A COMMENT, OH, THAT'S A GREAT LINK. SO I'M LIKE, I'VE GOT TIME FOR THAT. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THIS OTHER THING, BUT WHAT THE HECK, I'LL CLICK ON THE LINK. AND THEN WHAT IT WAS IS A HARPER'S WEEKLY STORY FROM 1867 OF CONGRESSMAN COLONEL DAVY CROCKETT. AND I'M LIKE, REALLY? OKAY, I LIKE HISTORY. THE TITLE WAS NOT YOURS TO GIVE. I'M LIKE, OH BOY, HERE WE GO. DIVINE INTERVENTION. OKAY. AND THEN SO I READ THE ARTICLE. IT'S A GREAT LITTLE ARTICLE. IT'S A SHORT STORY, BUT IT SAYS THE POWER OF COLLECTING AND DISPERSING MONEY AT PLEASURE IS THE MOST DANGEROUS POWER THAT CAN BE ENTRUSTED TO MAN. THIS IS BACK IN THE 1867. TODAY WE CAN SAY MAN OR WOMAN, I SUPPOSE, TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT. AND THAT STRUCK ME, AND I'M GOING TO SAVE THE WHOLE ARTICLE, AND IT SAYS YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE ONE. OR I SHOULD SAY, IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE TO ONE, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE TO ALL. AND AS THE CONSTITUTION NEITHER DEFINES CHARITY NOR STIPULATES THE AMOUNT YOU ARE AT LIBERTY TO GIVE TO ANY AND EVERYTHING WHICH YOU MAY BELIEVE OR PROFESS TO BELIEVE IS A CHARITY, AND TO ANY AMOUNT YOU MAY THINK PROPER, YOU WILL VERY EASILY PERCEIVE WHAT A WIDE DOOR THIS WOULD OPEN FOR FRAUD AND CORRUPTION AND FAVORITISM ON THE ONE HAND, AND FOR ROBBING PEOPLE ON THE OTHER HAND. AND INSTANTLY I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS GUY, JIM CHANOS, AND THE FINANCIAL MARKETS BACK IN 1999. HE WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRADE OF WHAT I WAS ON. I'M LIKE, WHY IS THE FAMOUS SHORT SELLER? I'M LIKE, THIS GUY PROBABLY KNOWS SOMETHING I DON'T. SO I DUMPED THE POSITION AND HE WAS RIGHT. STOCK CRATERED AND HE'S GOT THIS GREAT REPUTATION OR REPUTATION JUST RECENTLY, A COUPLE YEARS AGO NOW, HE SAYS, THIS IS THE GOLDEN AGE OF FRAUD. I'M LIKE, YEAH, I SEE IT EVERYWHERE. IF YOU IF YOU DO ANY RESEARCH, IT'S EVERYWHERE AND IT'S CREEPING INTO ALL KINDS OF THINGS. SO THAT'S KIND OF A LONG STORY. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND THANKS FOR THE PUBLIC.AND DURING MY BEING PATIENT AS I RAMBLE ON HERE. BUT WE HAVE THAT MAJOR CONCERN OF THIS MORAL DILEMMA THAT WE FACE TODAY. AND I JUST THOUGHT I'D BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
AND I ALSO WANT TO ADD ONE LAST POINT. AS I WAS RESEARCHING THE CRA, I SENT AN EMAIL TO PARNELL AND SHE WAS NICE ENOUGH TO CALL AND THEN ACTUALLY ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS. AND SHE'S DOING IT. YOU KNOW, SHE'S VERY DILIGENT, VERY PROFESSIONAL, AND SHE IDENTIFIED AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. PARNELL, YOUR YOUR YOUR FUNDING LAST YEAR, YOUR BUDGET LAST YEAR WAS 13,000,000 IN 2024. AND THEN IT'S ROUGHLY 23 MILLION THIS YEAR, WHICH IS A 77% INCREASE, WHICH IS SPECTACULAR BY ANY MEASURES. SO WE HAVE A VERY COMPETENT INDIVIDUAL WORKING FOR THE CITY OF STUART AND WITH THE CITY OF STUART. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT ALSO HIT ME, WELL, OKAY, 10 MILLION OF THIS WAS ROUGHLY IN GRANTS. THAT'S OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. AND SO THE CRA THE QUESTION COMES BACK TO THE TITLE OF THAT ARTICLE, IS IT OUR MONEY TO GIVE AWAY? NOW I UNDERSTAND I'M NOT HERE TO CHANGE THE CRA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I JUST HOPE THAT EVERYBODY CONSIDERS THE MORAL DILEMMA OF WHAT WE HAVE HERE, BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE, AND MAYBE I'LL BRING IT UP AS I START DIGGING AROUND SOME MORE. I THINK DECEMBER IS SUPPOSED TO BE MY LAST MEETING AS I ROLL OFF. THAT MIGHT BE MY, YOU KNOW, HERE, HOLD MY BEER. I GOT, I GOT YOU NEVER ROLL SOMETHING. MY FAMOUS LAST WORDS. YOU NEVER ROLL OFF. YOU'RE STUCK. OH, NO.
SO ANYWAY. BUT I DID THINK I FOUND A KIND OF A TO GO BACK TO THE T IN EXCHANGE COMPANY.
WHOEVER WROTE THAT CODE, IT DIDN'T MEAN IT TO BE A WALL LIKE A CASTLE WALL. IT SAYS, NO, NO, NOBODY'S GOING TO COME INTO OUR LANDLORDS. NO, THEY MEANT IT'S MORE OF A HURDLE. AND I FELT THAT THEY MIGHT MEET THE HURDLE. SO I THINK I MIGHT HAVE FOUND A POTENTIAL WAY AROUND WHAT THIS MORAL DILEMMA TODAY, AT LEAST. I LIKE TO THINK SO. SO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THAT REMINDS ME, CAN I. YEAH. GO AHEAD. I HAD SOME EX-PARTE. I HAD THE THE LANDLORD, MAX DUTCH, CONTACT ME AND ASK ME TO RETHINK THE SITUATION AND SPEND A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME.
PRESENTING HIS POSITION. AND TO BE HONEST, I WAS SWAYED AND I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE VOTED YES IF I HAD HAD THE CONVERSATION AHEAD OF TIME. BUT THE MAIN CONSIDERATION FOR ME WAS THAT HE HAS MULTIPLE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO LEASE THE SPACE THAT WOULD BE MORE, FAR MORE DETRIMENTAL TO DOWNTOWN STUART THAN THE. THE T-SHIRT SHOP. YEAH, T SHIRT SHOPS. THE
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PEOPLE THAT LIKE ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT ARE RUNNING OUT AND GRABBING PEOPLE AND PULLING THEM EVEN IF THEY WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY'RE NOT TELLING YOU THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT AFTERWARDS AND TRY TO ENFORCE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE UNABLE TO DO THAT. IS IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE. SO HE SWAYED ME TOWARDS THE OTHER SIDE, AND I WOULD PROBABLY SHIFT MY POSITION IF WE WERE BACK IN TIME. THE CLAY, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT? IT'S IT'S HARD TO FOLLOW. MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUE THERE AT THE END, BUT AND I WASN'T PLANNING ON COMMENTING ON THAT, BUT SINCE HE BROUGHT IT UP, I, I, I'M NOT SURE I FULLY FOLLOWED YOU WILL BUT AROUND THE TO ME YOU'RE SORT OF GETTING AT THE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE GETTING AT THE PURPOSE OF THE CRA. AND I THINK IT'S AS IN THE TITLE REDEVELOPMENT. SO THE, THE COMMUNITY HAS KIND OF AGREED THAT WE WANT TO REINVEST IN SOME SPACES, AND THIS IS A MECHANISM BY WHICH TO DO IT. AND YEAH, IT DOES. IT'S BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME. BUT IF YOU YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE, LET'S SAY THE I DON'T KNOW IF REVENUE IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT LET'S JUST CALL IT THE BUDGET FOR THE CRA. SO IT'S BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME. THE BUDGET HAS NOT BEEN VERY SIGNIFICANT UNTIL JUST VERY RECENT YEARS.BUT THAT'S IT WAS ALMOST LIKE THE STRATEGY, IF YOU GET INTO THE HISTORY OF THE CRA, THAT WAS KIND OF THE STRATEGY. MOST OF THEM GO THAT WAY. THEY KIND OF TAKE OFF LIKE THAT AT A CERTAIN POINT BECAUSE OF THE THE TIF FUNDS, THE THE SOURCE OF THE REVENUE. BUT THAT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A SURPRISE. I THINK IT WAS INTENDED AND PLANNED THAT WAY, THAT BEING SORT OF SEPARATE FROM THE PURPOSE. IF FOLKS HAVE A VIEW ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THE CRA AND WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE AS A COMMUNITY WANT TO REDEVELOP OR INVEST IN REDEVELOPING OR IMPROVING THE COMMUNITY TO DIFFERENT TOPIC, I THAT'S WHY THE CRA EXISTS, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT. IF I COULD CHANGE SUBJECT FOR JUST FOR A MOMENT. YEAH. GO AHEAD. I WANT TO FINISH UP ON THIS THOUGH, WHEN WE. OKAY. GO AHEAD. I'LL COME BACK TO GIVE A COMMENT ON THAT SUBJECT. NO, I DID WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP AS A TOPIC. WELL, JUST FOR DISCUSSION, WE CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION. WE CAN'T WE HAVEN'T PUBLICIZED ANYTHING, SO WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON THAT. BUT BUT I WOULD I WAS GOING TO BRING UP AT THIS MEETING. IN GENERAL THAT, THAT I THINK THAT IT'S IT'S TIME FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THAT FORMULA BUSINESS ORDINANCE, BECAUSE IT IS NOT CLEAR. AND, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE ORDINANCES YOU WANT, BUT IF THEY WON'T HOLD UP IN COURT, THEN WHOEVER'S GOT THE MOST MONEY IS GOING TO WIN. AND, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN WITH THAT THING WAS NOT THE PERSON THAT WAS COMING IN. FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, I LIKE THE PEOPLE. THE BUSINESS ITSELF SEEMS CONCEPTUALLY TO BE GOOD, BUT MY PROBLEM WAS THAT IF YOU DON'T TURN DOWN A BUSINESS THAT HAS 98 LOCATIONS AND YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU TURN DOWN DUNKIN DONUTS, HOW DO YOU TURN DOWN RUTH'S CHRIS? HOW DO YOU TURN DOWN ANY OF THESE CORPORATE ENTITIES? AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF FORMULA BUSINESS WAS TO KEEP OUT THE BIG BOX STORE TYPE BUSINESSES LEGALLY. AND YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY BIG BOX STORES BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY ILLEGAL. SO SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I WAS GOING TO MENTION IT HERE AT TO STAFF THAT MAYBE THEY COULD MENTION IT TO THE COMMISSION, THAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE SOMETHING, IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S ENFORCEABLE IS REALLY WHAT MY ISSUE WAS. AND SO I, I APPRECIATE THAT. THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO MENTION, AND JOLIE, YOU CAN JUMP IN HERE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT A $23 MILLION BUDGET IN THAT KIND OF A SITUATION, THEY USE FUND ACCOUNTING. SO THE TAX DOLLARS COME IN AND THEY STAY HERE SOMEPLACE UNTIL IT'S TIME TO SPEND THEM, AND THEN THEY BECOME PART OF THE BUDGET. SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS MONEY THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, HAS TO SOME DEGREE BEEN ACCUMULATED. AND NOW WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT WE NEED THAT MONEY FOR. AND IT'S BROUGHT IN. IT'S BROUGHT IN TO SPEND. AND, YOU KNOW, SO THEORETICALLY IT COULD GO UP AND DOWN FROM THAT STANDPOINT, EVEN THOUGH THE REVENUE SOURCE IS RELATIVELY CONSTANT COMING IN AND MAYBE INCREASING AS YOU, AS YOU SAID, THE SAME THING. SO. BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT WE I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WILL, AND I APPRECIATE, THOUGH, THAT THE CRA IS THERE FOR US TO GET A LEG UP. I MEAN, IT'S TO GIVE CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES
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AND COUNTIES AN OPPORTUNITY TO BETTER CITIES IN PARTICULAR, OR AREAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO GET A LEG UP AND, YOU KNOW, GENERATE SOME MONEY THAT WE CAN SPEND IN THE CITY, THE SALES TAX DOLLARS THAT COME IN THAT WE GET TO KEEP ARE SMALL. YOU KNOW, WE WE BRING A BUNCH IN, BUT WE DON'T GET TO KEEP MUCH. SO AND AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OR AT LEAST A PORTION OF THE CITY TO, TO GET SOME DOLLARS IN. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT. I THINK IT'S GOOD. BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO WE'RE HAVING A TENDENCY TO I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF AS A BOARD IS MAKE SURE THAT WE BELIEVE THAT WHAT THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT ON IS NOT JUST TO SPEND IT. YOU KNOW, IT DOES HAVE TO BE SPENT IN THE CRA, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO BE SPENT ON BAD PROJECTS. SO BUT I THINK YOUR COMMENTS ARE REALLY GOOD, AND PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO TO THAT FORMULA BUSINESS. I MEAN, I WAS GOING TO SHOW UP. AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SHOWING UP AT COMMISSION MEETINGS. AND IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, EVEN THOUGH IT'S HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE YOU'RE RESIDENT CITIZENS, WHATEVER, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO, TO VOICE YOUR OPINION. SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING YOU THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T GET VOICED CORRECTLY. AND I ENCOURAGE, I ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR MEETING FROM WHEN BECAUSE WE WERE CONFLICTED, AND I THOUGHT WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF OF TRYING TO ANALYZE IT. SO SO I THINK GOING FORWARD, THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEBODY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. AT THAT ORDINANCE. AND BECAUSE THE SENATE BILL 180, WE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TO CHANGE CERTAIN THINGS, BUT BUT IT MAY BE WHERE WE HAVE ROOM TO DO THAT ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. BUT BUT ANYWAY, SO I YOU KNOW I APPRECIATE THAT. AND BUT CLAY GO AHEAD. SORRY I'M YOU HAD ANOTHER TOPIC SO OR SOMETHING YOU WANT TO MENTION.OKAY. SO JUST A MAYBE A CLARIFICATION IN EITHER MR. CHAIR YOU CAN CLARIFY OR MAYBE LEE WOULD, BUT YOU KNOW, ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, WE HAVE THIS SORT OF JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE CRB, THE CR, A FOLKS AND THE COMMISSIONERS, AND WE ALL SIT IN THIS VERY FANCY SQUARE LOOKING DESK THING. THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE IMPORTANT. YEAH. IT'S NICE WHEN WE'RE WELL, WE'RE MORE IMPORTANT THAN TODAY. THAT'S RIGHT. SO WHAT WILL BE HELPFUL FOR ME IS JUST A REMINDER ON THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A WE HAVE A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR OF THIS BOARD, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHO'S VOTING OR WHO HAS A VOTE IN THAT JOINT MEETING. SO IN THAT JOINT MEETING, NOT ALL WE'RE ALL PART OF IT, BUT WE'RE NOT ALL VOTING MEMBERS. THERE'S TWO FROM THIS GROUP OR WHO ARE VOTING MEMBERS. CORRECT. AND THAT'S THAT'S YOU AND FRED, RIGHT? IT'S NOT YOU. IT'S NOT THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR. IT'S WE SELECTED INDEPENDENTLY, I THINK. WELL, AND A LOT OF TIMES IT IS THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR. BUT IN THIS CASE, BONNIE HAD INDICATED THAT SHE COULDN'T SHE COULDN'T DO IT. SO FRED VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE THAT JUST FOR CLARITY. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO PEOPLE WHO VOTE AT THAT JOINT MEETING, CORRECT. THE REST OF US ARE JUST HANGERS ON, HOPEFULLY INFLUENCING THINGS WITH OUR WISDOM. THE ITEMS THAT I HAVE, I TRY TO BRING TO CRB AND CRA SO THAT CRB CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, PROVIDE FEEDBACK, BUT SOMETIMES I JUST BRING AN ITEM AT THAT JOINT MEETING, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE A CONSULTANT AND WE'RE PAYING A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE CONSULTANT TO COME OUT AND GIVE A PRESENTATION. SO AT THAT MEETING, I USUALLY HAVE EVERYBODY GIVE FEEDBACK, BUT THE CRA GETS TO VOTE ON ON THE ITEM, NOT EVEN THE CITY COMMISSIONERS, THE CRA, UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES CITY COMMISSION ACTION ITEM, THEN THEY WOULD VOTE ON IT. NOT EVEN THE CRA. GOTCHA. SO THE CRA, I GUESS TECHNICALLY IS THE COMMISSIONERS AND TWO FROM HERE.
RIGHT. GOT IT. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW. THANKS FOR THAT. YEAH, THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS. I'M GOOD. ALL RIGHT. BYE, BILL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NO I APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY AND THEIR COMMENTS AND CONSIDERATION AND I, I THINK YOU KNOW I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING OUT FOR. AND I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE. AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SOME GOOD DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE GROUP. AND WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE ON EVERYTHING BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD THING. WHAT IS IT? FRICTION MAKES DIAMONDS. IS THAT WHAT THEY SAY? YEAH. THAT'S SOMETIMES. YEAH. IT ALSO MAKES YOU LOSE YOUR HAIR SOMETIMES TOO. YEAH I KNOW THAT. SO THE ONE THING I KNOW WE HAD THERE WAS PLANS TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE APPRECIATION THING. AND I GUESS WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SIGN UP OR WHATEVER. AND, AND SO WE GOT THESE NICE LITTLE GIFTS, WHICH IS COOL. AND BUT I WAS, I WAS THINKING THAT MAYBE WE AS A BOARD HERE, WE COULD JUST SPONSOR OR HOST KIND OF JUST A REAL INFORMAL THING SOMETIME IN DECEMBER WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN, YOU
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KNOW, MAYBE HAVE AN HORS D'OEUVRE, DO WHATEVER. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAYBE WE COULD GET MAIN STREET TO HELP US. MAYBE WE GET MAIN STREET TO HELP US COORDINATE IT. AND, YOU KNOW, NOTHING REAL FORMAL AND NOTHING REAL LONG, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST. AND WE CAN INVITE THE OTHER BOARDS AND STUFF. AS LONG AS IT'S NOTICED. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH IT, YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING IT. I KNOW WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST. THAT'S WHY I'M MENTIONING IT. I KNOW IT WAS KIND OF NICE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD JUST IT WAS CASUAL. IT WASN'T WASN'T BUSINESS, SO TO SPEAK. AND, AND WE WOULD JUST HAVE A LOCAL THING. SO IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO TO THINK ABOUT. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S BUSY. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IT'S KIND OF NICE TO GET TOGETHER AND GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE OTHER PEOPLE, PEOPLE ON THE LPA, WE DON'T TALK TO THEM. WE DON'T GET TO SEE THEM A LOT AND, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING. SO ANYWAY, I JUST MENTIONED THAT MAYBE WE CAN LOOK INTO IT JUST AS A, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE OPEN HOUSE TYPE THING. NOTHING FORMAL. SO. ALL RIGHT. AND IF THAT'S NO OTHER[2. MINOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE – MURAL ON MATILDA’S BUILDING LOCATED AT 15 SW FLAGLER AVENUE (RC): RESOLUTION No. 02-2025 CRB; A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, GRANTING A MINOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR PUBLIC ARTWORK (MURAL) NAMED “WELCOME TO STUART: HAPPIEST SEASIDE TOWN” ON A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 15 SW FLAGLER AVENUE, AS DESCRIBED WITHIN THE ATTACHED LEGAL DESCRIPTION; GRANTING APPROVAL TO PAINT A MURAL ON THE XTERIOR SOUTHERN WALL OF A BUILDING; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
ITEMS FROM NOTHING, NOTHING THERE. OKAY. SO LET'S GET INTO THE THE ACTION ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS LABELED NUMBER TWO IS A MINOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE. AND THIS WILL BE QUASI JUDICIAL. BY THE WAY, JUST SO THAT WE CAN BE CLEAR WITH IT, A MINOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE A MURAL ON MATHILDA'S BUILDING LOCATED AT 15 SOUTHWEST FLAGLER AVENUE, RESOLUTION NUMBER 022025 CRB RESOLUTION OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD OF THE CITY OF STUART. BY THE WAY, THAT'S BECAUSE WE DO APPROVE THIS. THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW ITEMS THAT WE HAVE FINAL AUTHORITY ON REDEVELOPMENT. BOARD OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, GRANTING A MINOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR PUBLIC ARTWORK. MURAL NAMED WELCOME TO STUART HAPPIEST SEASIDE TOWN ON A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 15 SOUTHWEST FLAGLER AVENUE. AS DESCRIBED WITHIN THE ATTACHED LEGAL DESCRIPTION. GRANTING APPROVAL TO PAINT A MURAL ON THE EXTERIOR SOUTHERN WALL OF THE BUILDING, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO. DID, DID ANY OF OR HAS ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAD ANY KIND OF EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS RELATIVE TO THIS SUBJECT? YEAH. OKAY. GOOD. AND IF THERE'S NONE WE'LL JUST STATE THAT THERE WAS NONE. SO JUST SO WE KNOW, THERE WAS NONE, SAY SOMETHING ABOUT NOT HAVING SOMETHING WITH AN OPEN MIND. YEAH. WE'RE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE KIND OF AT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS BUT ANY OUTSIDE MEETINGS BY THE WAY THE THAT WOULD INCLUDE WITH CITIZENS AND OTHER PEOPLE. BUT ANYWAY, SO AND AS BONNIE MENTIONED, HOPEFULLY WE'RE ALL HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND. SO I KNOW I AM AND WE'LL HOPE SO. OKAY. SO IF YOU'LL HAVE EACH OF THE MEMBERS SAY WHETHER THEY HAD EX PARTE OKAY, OKAY OKAY OKAY. GO AHEAD. WILL I HAD NO EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS AND I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND. I HAD NO EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. AND I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND. I HAD NO COMMUNICATIONS. AND I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND. I HAD NO EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. AND I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND I HAD NONE. AND I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO SWEAR PEOPLE IN THEN. OR JUST. I KNOW THE FORM, SAYS THE CLERK, BUT CITY ATTORNEY USUALLY DOES. YEAH, I KNOW THAT'S WISE. OKAY, GOOD. SO EVERYBODY, ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY WHO WILL BE ATTENDING ON TESTIFYING, INCLUDING STAFF, YOU'LL STAND UP AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO PROVIDE IN THIS HEARING WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? OKAY, WHO'S GOING TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION FOR STAFF? I AM OH, CHRIS JORDAN OVER THERE. YEAH, SHE'S HIDING BEHIND THOSE SCREENS. GOOD AFTERNOON. CRB BOARD MEMBERS JORDAN PINKSTON, CRA PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE RECORD, CRA RECEIVED A MURAL MATCHING GRANT APPLICATION PROPOSING A MURAL ON THE WALL OF THE MATILDAS BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN. THE APPLICATION IS PROCESSED SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE MURAL, WITH A MINOR CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION APPROVAL PROCESS, WHICH REQUIRES APPROVAL FROM THE CRB. AS MENTIONED BY THE CHAIR, THE MINOR CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION REVIEW REQUIRES THE APPLICANT TO MEET PUBLIC ART CRITERIA AND PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MATILDAS APPLICATION HAS MET BOTH REQUIREMENTS. AS MENTIONED, THE PROPOSED MURAL WILL BE ON THE EXTERIOR SOUTHERN WALL OF THE MATILDAS BUILDING, LOCATED AT 15 SOUTHWEST FLAGLER AVENUE. THE ARTWORK WILL BE HIGHLY VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC BY THOSE VISITING THE SHOPS AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND CONFUSION CIRCLE, AS WELL AS SOUTHWEST FLAGLER AVENUE.[00:25:06]
SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL THE ORIGINAL WELCOME TO STUART MOSAIC MURAL THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY AT THIS LOCATION, THE CITY AND MARTIN ARTS OR THE ARTS COUNCIL APPLIED FOR A NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE ARTS GRANT IN 2002, AND THERE WERE FOUR MURALS CREATED AS PART OF THAT PROJECT. THE WELCOME TO STUART WAS ONE OF THEM. THE MURAL WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AND CREATED BY MAUREEN FULGENZI. UNFORTUNATELY, OVER THE YEARS THE TILES BEGAN TO GET WEATHERED AND THERE WAS CRACKS AND THE COLORS BEGAN TO FADE. THERE WERE ALSO ROOF LEAKS IN THE BUILDING THAT CAUSED SOME OF THE SMALLER TILES TO FALL OFF. SO ULTIMATELY THE MAINTENANCE OF THE MURAL JUST BECAME TOO DIFFICULT. AND CURRENTLY THE PROPOSED MURAL LOCATION IS NOW BLANK. AND THEN THE LIGHTS HAVE BEEN STRATEGICALLY PLACED ABOVE THE MURAL. THE NEW PROPOSED MURAL WILL REFRESH THE BUILDING AND BRING A MORE VIBRANT TWIST TO THE ORIGINAL MOSAIC MURAL. THE WELCOME TO STUART HAPPIEST SEASIDE TOWN MURAL WILL WELCOME VISITORS DOWNTOWN WITH A VIBRANT, NATURE INSPIRED ELEMENTS TO THE UNIQUE TO FLORIDA, AND THE MURAL IS LIVELY VINTAGE FEEL, WHICH COMPLEMENTS THE NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES AND HISTORIC CHARM OF THE SHOPPING DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED MURAL WILL BE ABOUT 18FT WIDE BY 14FT HIGH, AND CORRELATES WELL WITH THE SURROUNDING MURALS, SUCH AS THE ONE IN HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE HOUSE OF REFUGE AT SUNRISE, AND THE OLD COLORADO IN THE THEN AND NOW. ALSO, THE ARTWORK WILL BE EXECUTED BY CYNTHIA SANTOS, WHO HAS BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY SINCE 2013 AND HAS EXPERIENCE WORKING ON MURALS OF THIS SIZE AND QUALITY. CYNTHIA IS THE CO-FOUNDER AND CREATIVE DIRECTOR OF CHALK AND BRUSH MURALS AND SIGN PAINTING. SOME OF THEIR MURALS CAN BE SEEN AT STARBUCKS, SPOTIFY, WEST ELM, FORD, LEXUS, CORAL GABLES, THE DOLPHIN MALL, JUST TO NAME A FEW. BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE ARTIST, I HAVE A FULL PORTFOLIO THAT I CAN SHARE WITH THE BOARD. THE ARTS COUNCIL OF MARTIN COUNTY ALSO REVIEWED THE RENDERING AND BELIEVES THE BRIGHT FLORA TO FAUNA DESIGNS FIT THE DOWNTOWN'S FIT THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, AND TIES INTO THE ESTHETIC OF THE NEARBY RETAIL SPACES. AND THEY STATED THAT THE HAPPIEST SEASIDE TOWN IS A POSITIVE MESSAGE TO ALL THAT VISIT THE DOWNTOWN SPACE. HOWEVER, THEY DID ISSUE CONCERNS THAT THE S AND THE STUART GETS LOST IN THE WHITE SPACE OF THE DESIGN, MAKING IT KIND OF HARD TO READ. SO THE APPLICANT WILL BE WORKING WITH THE ARTIST TO MAKE THE DESIGN ELEMENT EASIER TO SEE AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. SO AT THIS TIME, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED MURAL, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THAT THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE ATTACHED MURAL RENDERING AND EXHIBIT D IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET.THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE ARTWORK ON THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 15 SOUTHWEST FLAGLER AVENUE, AND THAT THE ARTIST WILL ADJUST THE ESSENCE STUART TO BE MORE VISIBLE. IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMENT ON THE DESIGN? AND I MEAN, YOU SAY THERE'S ALREADY IT'S ALREADY UNDER REVIEW FOR STUART BEING NOT AS AS CLEAR AND LEGIBLE AND STAND OUT AS WELL. THE WELCOME TO I THINK IS WHAT I SEE THE SAME HAPPIEST, THE HAPPIEST SEASIDE TOWN IS ALSO UNDERSTATED IN THE MURAL. I THINK IT SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PROMINENT. SO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE MURAL IS 18FT WIDE BY 14, SO I MEAN IT IS GOING TO BE A LOT LARGER SCALE. OKAY. BUT OF COURSE, I MEAN, ANYTHING CAN BE CONDITIONED IN IN YOUR MOTION. THESE IS JUST STAFF RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT. DO YOU NEED A MOTION. WE WILL BUT YEAH WE CAN WE CAN DO A MOTION TO DISCUSS I THINK IF AT THIS POINT IS THAT RIGHT LEE OR DO WE NEED TO STILL. WELL, FIRST I THINK WE HAVE TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT.
OH, ALSO, THE APPLICANT HAS A RIGHT TO ALSO GIVE A STATEMENT OR PRESENTATION. YEAH, YEAH. SO NEXT ON THE LIST. SO AGAIN WE HAVE THE THE BLUE SHEET. SO IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW ALONG THAT THAT'LL KEEP YOU ON TRACK. YEAH. NO. SO THE. SO WE'RE ON THE BOARD MEMBER QUESTIONS. RIGHT IS WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. I THOUGHT WE NEEDED A MOTION TO DISCUSS. WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING NOW IF YOU'LL SEE NEXT ON THE LIST IT'S THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION. THE APPLICANT HAS A RIGHT TO GIVE A PRESENTATION AND ADD WHAT THE STAFF HAS. AND THEN THAT WOULD BE QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS WOULD HAVE FOR THE APPLICANT AND OR STAFF OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'VE HAD A STAFF PRESENTATION APPLICANTS. AND THEN AFTER THAT WE CLOSED THE HEARING. AND AT THE CONCLUSION THEN THERE WOULD BE A RECOGNITION FOR A MOTION OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO CHAIR MISS DANA SMALL IS THE PROPERTY OWNER. UNFORTUNATELY SHE'S OUT OF THE COUNTRY AT THIS TIME, BUT SHE HAS SENT A REPRESENTATIVE, MISS KRISTIN BAUER, IN HER PLACE. IF YOU DO
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HAVE QUESTIONS, SHE'S HERE TODAY. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US HERE. INSPO FOR THE MURAL, HAVING. THANK YOU. HAVING LIVED IN STUART FOR THE PAST 25 YEARS AND OCCUPYING THE BUILDING ON THE INTENDED MURAL LOCATION FOR THE PAST 18 YEARS, I REALLY HAVE COME TO KNOW THIS CITY AND ITS COMMUNITY AND VERY PROUD TO CALL IT HOME. I WANTED TO BRING SOMETHING COLORFUL, SOMETHING INVITING, SOMETHING THAT FEELS AS WELCOME, AS A WELCOME STAMP TO THE COMMUNITY THAT LIVES HERE AND THE PEOPLE THAT VISIT. NO BETTER WAY TO PAINT. WELCOME TO STUART, HAPPIEST SEASIDE TOWN ON THE WALL OF MY BUILDING, AND SHARE THAT EXPRESSION WITH EVERYONE THAT WALKS AND DRIVES BY. THE SUBJECT MATTER IS NEUTRAL AND INTENTIONAL, SHARING THE BEAUTY OF OUR LOCAL FLORA AND FAUNA WITHOUT LOOKING LIKE A STATE SEAL, WE CREATED SOMETHING THAT HAS A LASTING IMAGE IN COLOR PALETTE. WITH SOCIAL MEDIA AS A MAJOR TOOL IN OUR EVERYDAY LIVES, I THINK THIS WILL BE A WELCOMED BACKDROP FOR ENDLESS PHOTOS AND SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLETS. THE PROPOSED SIZE OF THIS MURAL IS TO FILL THE WALL IN ITS ENTIRETY AND BRING A SPLASH OF COLOR TO THE LANDSCAPE OF DOWNTOWN. STUART. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THE PROPOSED MURAL. BEST REGARDS, DANA. CAN YOU AND IS WHO OWNS THE MATILDA SHOP? IS THAT DANA? DANA DOES AND SHE OWNS THE BUILDING AS WELL. OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO CHECK AND THEN THE I TAKE IT THE ARTIST IS NOT LOCAL THOUGH. CORRECT? MIAMI.MIAMI. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FINE. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE. I HAVE A QUICK ONE. YOU ALL RECENTLY UPDATED THE EXTERIOR OF YOUR BUILDING. DID WE USE ANY CRA FUNDS FOR THAT OR. THAT WAS JUST FUNDED BY THE OWNER OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. I THINK ON PAGE 48 OF THE AGENDA PACKET, MAYBE IT WAS THERE WAS ANOTHER RENDERING WITH THE BLUE BACKGROUND. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT OR NOT. YEAH. SO IT MIGHT HELP ILLUSTRATE BECAUSE YOU INTEND TO HAVE A BLUE BACKGROUND. IT'S A PALE PALE BLUE. OKAY. PAINTED ON THE BUILDING THAT I. YEAH. IT'LL HELP MAYBE RESOLVE SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE. YES.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE THAT BACKGROUND ON THERE, IT STANDS OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE. THAT'S JUST ONE THOUGHT. NO, NO NO, THERE IT IS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE THAT WAS. SO. YEAH. WELL PHASE TWO OF TONIGHT'S MEETING IS THE ARTWORK FOR THE GRANT MATCH. SO THAT'S PART OF THAT PRESENTATION. SO YOU WILL SEE LATER ON WE'RE JUMPING AHEAD I'M JUMPING AHEAD. SO YOU'RE COMPLETELY FINE. IT'S PART OF THE IT'S PART OF THIS ITEM TOO. SO OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANKS.
YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. I GOTTA READ MORE. ALL RIGHT. SO JUST FOR CLARITY.
SO THE THAT'S A GREAT POINT THOUGH THAT WE'LL BRING UP. SO THE SO THE ACTION ITEM TWO IS JUST AROUND THE THE MINOR CODE. AND IT'S ACTION THREE THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE MATCH. CORRECT.
OR JUST APPROVING THE ARTWORK AT THIS TIME. WHICH CRB IS THE FINAL APPROVAL I SEE. YEP.
THAT'S HELPFUL OKAY, I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ABOUT THE ARTWORK. THEN I SEE YOU HAVE.
I'M GOING TO BE A NITPICKY. ALL RIGHT. SO BECAUSE I GUESS I CAN SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ROSETTA SPOON BILLS IN THIS AREA. I DON'T REMEMBER EVER SEEING ANY. AND THEN THE SELFISH, THEY DON'T HAVE THOSE KIND OF SKILLS. AND AGAIN THAT'S JUST MINOR STUFF. I DON'T KNOW. BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS MAYBE, YOU KNOW, DID I GUESS REALLY THE UNDERLYING ISSUE IS DID DANA MISS SMALL, DID SHE CHOOSE THIS PARTICULAR RENDERING OR WERE THERE MULTIPLE RENDERINGS OR. OKAY, AND THIS IS THE ONE SHE WANTS. OKAY. PERFECT. YEAH, I THINK SHE. OKAY. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WELL THAT'S FINE. THAT LOOKS GOOD. YEAH. NO, IT LOOKS GOOD. I LIKE, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE COLORS. SO ANYWAY, I WAS JUST HOPING THAT SHE WAS THE ONE THAT WAS PRESENTING THIS AND AND HERSELF. OH, GOOD. SORRY. GOOD TO KNOW. THANK YOU I THINK I THINK WILL'S POINTS A GOOD ONE IS, YOU KNOW, WE ALMOST HAD A BUILDING HERE IN TOWN THAT WAS, WAS GOING TO HAVE TO BE CALLED MARLIN CONDOS INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF SAILFISH CONDOS BECAUSE THE FISH THEY PUT OUTSIDE WAS A MARLIN. NOT NOT A SAILFISH. SO IT'S KIND OF EMBARRASSING WHEN IT GETS UP ON A BUILDING. SO YEAH. AND JUST CHECK IT OUT THAT WE GOT THE RIGHT THING THAT WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH THE SWORDFISH MAYBE, OR SOMETHING. I MEAN, WE COULD, BUT WE'RE SAILFISH CAPITAL. SO YES. YEAH. I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST DOUBLE CHECK THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS RELATIVE TO FOR THE APPLICANT OR. ALL RIGHT. I WOULD JUST FOLLOW ALONG WITH WILL'S EAGLE EYE AROUND. LOCAL, LET'S SAY SPECIES I GUESS. AND SO I'M LOOKING AT THE PLANTS THAT ARE THERE. AND IF WE WANT TO GET REALLY PICKY, I'M NOT SURE MONSTERA IS ACTUALLY LOCAL PLANT. IT'S A NICE BIG LEAF
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THAT HAS HOLES IN IT. SOME PEOPLE CALL IT SWISS CHEESE LEAF. AND THEN ACTUALLY, ALTHOUGH ORANGES ARE WONDERFUL, THEY'RE ALSO NOT NATIVE. BUT WE KIND OF ACCEPTED THEM AS, AS LOCAL. SO I GUESS THOSE GET BY. BUT I, I DO AGREE WITH WILL. I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND THAT THE ARTIST OR THE FOLKS JUST MAKE SURE IT'S IT FITS WITH STUART. RIGHT. WHATEVER SPECIES THEY GO WITH. THE COLORS ARE GREAT AND THE INTENTION IS GREAT. LET'S JUST LIKE MARK SAID, LET'S NOT HAVE A MAJOR MISTAKE IN REPRESENTATION. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. DOES THE STAFF HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THE PRESENTATION? NO, SIR. NO. OKAY. AND APPLICANT, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER OKAY. AT THIS TIME THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE'LL CLOSE THE HEARING. YOU WEED AND ASK THE BOARD TO DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC. SO ASK THEM TO CITE THE FACTS BEING CONSIDERED AND THEN TO STATE THEIR POSITION AND FORMULATE A MOTION. SO AT THIS POINT I'LL JUST START OFF AND THEN YOU GUYS WE'LL TAKE TURNS. WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH BONNIE AFTER ME. SO BECAUSE SHE GETS LEFT OFF HERE AND I KNOW SHE'S SHE WANTS TO BE HERE. SO I, I WANTED TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT WILL SAID BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF ONE CAN HAVE IT ALL CAN HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, TYPE THING. AND BUT I DO THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD PROGRAM AND ALMOST THE WAY WE DO IT HERE IN STUART, AT LEAST I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN THESE THINGS REALLY TURN DOWN. I'VE, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, QUESTION. AND THAT GOES TO THAT'S WHY THE ART COUNCIL IS ARTS COUNCIL IS INVOLVED.I'VE, I'VE HAD PEOPLE QUESTION YOU KNOW MAYBE THE DESIGN A LITTLE BIT OR, OR WHATEVER ELSE OR WHETHER IT MEETS THE DEFINITION OF ART BECAUSE I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT OCCASIONALLY SOMEBODY WILL TRY TO, YOU KNOW, SLIP IN A FENCE AND CALL IT ART BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THAT. SO BUT ANYWAY, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT. AND WE'VE, WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO GIVE PREFERENCES TO, TO LOCAL ARTISTS WHEN, WHEN WE'RE DOING THESE KIND OF THINGS. BUT, BUT I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS A UNIQUE YOU KNOW, IT IS A UNIQUE. MURAL. AND I WOULD ASK JUST KIND OF OUT OF CURIOSITY FOR JORDAN OR FOR PANEL, DO WE I MEAN, RESOURCE WISE, THESE ARE USUALLY THESE ARE 3000 TO USUALLY 3000 A POP, RIGHT? WE DON'T DO MORE THAN THAT. TYPICALLY $3,000. YEAH. AND JUST IF WE ALL OF A SUDDEN HAD A BUNCH OF PEOPLE RUNNING INTO TO PUT UP MURALS, WOULD, WOULD WE RUN OUT OF MONEY? I MEAN, IS THERE BUDGET ABOUT $20,000 EVERY YEAR FOR THE PROGRAM? I KNOW AT ONE POINT THE CREEK DISTRICT WAS TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH A LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS TO SEE IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, USE ONE ARTIST TO DO ALL THE DIFFERENT MURALS IN THE CREEK DISTRICT SO WE CAN HAVE MULTIPLE AT THE SAME TIME. AND THEN WE WOULD PRESENT ALL OF THAT TO THE BOARD, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY MOVED FORWARD WITH THAT. OKAY. BUT YEAH, MAXIMUM 50,000 PER PROPERTY, 3000 PER PROPERTY. SO AND I LIKE THAT THE I LIKE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS LOCAL AND I LIKE THAT THE PROPERTY AND THAT THE BUSINESS IS LOCALLY OWNED. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. AND SO I'M, I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF THIS. BUT GO AHEAD BONNIE YOU'RE UP. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MURALS I'VE APPROVED SO FAR, BUT WHAT A BREATH OF FRESH AIR THIS ONE IS. IT'S FRESH. I THINK IT REALLY STANDS OUT FROM THE OTHER MURALS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN DOWNTOWN.
STUART. I HAPPEN TO LOVE THE NEW TAKE ON THE SAILFISH AND THAT THINGS AREN'T SO LITERAL AND IT'S PLAYFUL AND FUN. MATILDAS, THE THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DID ON THE EXTERIOR OF YOUR BUILDING THIS PAST YEAR. IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, IT ENHANCES DOWNTOWN, AND I THINK THAT THIS MURAL WILL ONLY ADD TO THAT. STUART IS VERY FORTUNATE THAT MOST OF OUR DOWNTOWN IS IS DOING PRETTY WELL, AND A LOT OF OTHER DOWNTOWNS WHERE I WORK, THESE MURALS ARE SUCH A CATALYST FOR MAKING A CITY FEEL MORE VIBRANT AND GETTING THINGS TO REDEVELOP OR JUST MOVE THINGS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WE HAVE THIS PROGRAM. YEAH, I WOULD TEND TO ECHO BONNIE'S COMMENTS. I THINK THE I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE. I DON'T SEE ANY CONFLICT. MARK, AS YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THE AS THE PROGRAM AS A WHOLE.
IT'S IT'S PURPOSEFUL. IT'S IT'S PART OF OUR THE INTENTION OF THE CRA TO TO REINVEST AND SUPPORT THESE KINDS OF THINGS. I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES THERE. AND IT LOOKS LIKE A LOOKS LIKE
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THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM IN THE GRANT. JEFF, I AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS STATEMENTS AND LIKE WILL SUGGESTED, I THINK MAYBE SOMEBODY SHOULD PUT A LITTLE BIT OF A OF AN EYEBALL TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THOSE MATCH ARE INDIGENOUS FLORA AND FAUNA AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT ISN'T REPRESENTING THINGS FROM OTHER PLACES. AND PERHAPS THE DESIGNS REVIEW THE DESIGN AND MAKE SOME MICRO ADJUSTMENTS OR THE MAKING THE STUART MORE READABLE AND MAKING THE HAPPIEST SEASIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE PROMINENT. BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT. I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL DESIGN. I THINK IT'S GOING TO LOOK GREAT ON THE BUILDING, AND I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA TOO. I THINK IT'S GOING TO HELP STUART. WELL, YEAH. I WANT TO GO BACK TO MY POINT ABOUT IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY'S TO GIVE. I THINK YOU MADE A GREAT POINT THERE, MARK. THIS IS A LOCAL OWNER. THIS IS SHE OWNS THE PROPERTY. SHE PAYS A LOT OF TAXES. AND THE WAY IT IS HER OWN MONEY THAT SHE'S GETTING BACK. AND WE WANT TO AS WHATEVER WE DO BOARDS, WE WANT TO TRY TO HELP FACILITATE AND FOSTER BUSINESS, SMALL BUSINESS GROWTH, ESPECIALLY LIKE YOU THINK BACK TO THE LAST MONTH MEETING WITH THE CODE. WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE AREA FROM SMALL BUSINESS PEOPLE. WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE HERE. SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH APPROVING THIS KIND OF PROJECT. AND I LIKE THE FRISKY SAILFISH THAT THEY HAVE ON THERE. IT SELLS A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE A MARLIN, WHICH YOU CAUGHT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS. IT'S A NICE PROJECT. SO. WELL, YEAH, I THINK IT IS AND I APPRECIATE THAT. WE'LL GET A MOTION. I DID WANT TO MENTION ONE THING, JUST AS A GENERAL COMMENT. YOU KNOW, OUR BUILDING CODE FOR DOWNTOWN IN GENERAL. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THINGS UP ON THE, ON THE STREET AND IT CALLS FOR ARCADES AND SOMETHING ELSE AND SOMETHING ELSE. I FORGET WHAT EXACTLY IT IS NOW, BUT THEY HAVE THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE THE ARCADE TYPE ENTRANCES TO THEIR BUILDING THAT THAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO PROMOTE. SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER FACTOR IS THAT NOT ONLY IS THIS A NICE ADDITION TO DOWNTOWN, BUT THE THE PROPERTY OWNER IS TRYING TO DO THINGS IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT WE WANT DOWNTOWN TO LOOK LIKE BASED ON OUR CODE, AND I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB ON IT. SO I APPRECIATE THAT TOO. ANYWAY, MOTION FOR APPROVAL. MOTION TO APPROVE. BONNIE. JEFF. SECOND.SO WE GOT BONNIE ON FIRST. JEFF ON A SECOND. BECAUSE IT'S QUASI JUDICIAL. WE HAVE TO DO A ROLL CALL. YOU'RE GOING TO NO CHAIR, IF I MAY BE HEARD REAL QUICK, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE EXHIBIT C THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ITEM HAS TWO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. I THINK STAFF HAD ADDED A THIRD CONDITION OF APPROVAL, THAT THE ARTIST WILL ADJUST THE S AND STUART BE MORE VISIBLE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS HAVE THAT IN YOUR MOTION. OKAY? OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. THE THIRD CONDITION, WOULD YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO WE NEED TO STATE IT IN THE MOTION BECAUSE WHAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ITEM DOES NOT HAVE ITEM THREE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AM I CLEAR ON THAT? YES I SEE IT JUST HAD THE THREE. SO IF WE WANT TO THE AGENDA ITEM ATTACHED THAT WE PUBLISHED ON ONLY HAS ONE AND TWO UP THERE. OKAY. WE'VE RECENTLY ADDED THREE OKAY. AND YOU YOU GUYS NEED IN YOUR MOTION JUST ADJUST IT. YEAH WE ARE ADDRESS THAT. YES. THERE ARE THREE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL INCLUDE NUMBER THREE UP HERE OKAY. AND ARE WE GOING ARE WE GOING TO ADD ANYTHING RELATIVE TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE RELATIVE TO BE UP TO THE BOARD? YES, I'M JUST SAYING AT LEAST THERE'S THREE UP HERE AND YOU COULD ADD ANOTHER CONDITION. OKAY. RIGHT. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO DO DO WE WANT TO. DID THAT COUNT. DO I NEED TO RESEND IN CASE ANYONE WANTS TO I JUST WANTED YOU HAD MOTION FOR APPROVAL. YEAH. AND YOU MAY HAVE BEEN INTENDED TO ADD NUMBER THREE, BUT IN OUR AGENDA PACKET THREE IS NOT THERE. SO I JUST SO THERE'S NO LET ME TALK THIS OUT LOUD I DON'T NEED CONDITION THREE. BUT IF OTHER MEMBERS DO THAT'S FINE. DO I NEED TO REPEAL MY MOTION OR TO RESCIND MY MOTION? IF YOU DO NOT WANT THREE, THAT'S YOUR MOTION. THEN YOU'LL SAY WITHOUT THREE, JUST THE OR AS PUBLISHED AS PUBLISHED. OR YOU CAN ADD IT.
IT'S UP TO YOU. OR I WILL ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. IF THERE ARE ANY, I WILL MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT YOU WOULD INCLUDE NUMBER THREE AND YOUR MOTION OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE. WITH ADDING ITEM THREE, THE ARTIST WILL ADJUST THE S AND THE STUART TO BE MORE VISIBLE. DO YOU ACCEPT THAT OR YOU WANT TO ADD? I'D LIKE TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL AMENDMENT
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THAT IT GOES UNDER FURTHER REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FLORA AND FAUNA IS APPROPRIATE FOR STUART, AND THAT THE HAPPIEST SEASIDE TOWN IS MAYBE MADE A LITTLE MORE PROMINENT, AT LEAST REVIEWED BY THE ARTIST FOR THOSE THINGS. SO IF I MAY, CHAIR STAFF WILL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THE THE TO ENSURE THAT IT'S LOCAL SPECIES THAT IS IDENTIFIED ON THE IMAGE. PRIOR TO THE CRA APPROVING THE THE ITEM. OKAY, OKAY. THIS THEY ARE MAKING THE FINAL DECISION. SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO THE CRA. SO YOU GUYS ARE MAKING THE FINAL DECISION ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CRA. BUT CURRENTLY YOU GUYS ARE MAKING THE FINAL CALL. SO I WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR AS WELL. YEAH YEAH OKAY. SO COMMENT ON THAT OR WE CAN WE CAN GO BACK AND HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS IF YOU WANT. I THINK THAT'S FINE. WELL YOU AMENDED THE MOTION. YEAH. AND I DON'T THINK WE GOT A SECOND TO THE AMENDMENT. AND THEN WE HAD AN A REQUEST TO CONSIDER ANOTHER AMENDMENT. YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF SAYING NO, I WANT TO STICK WITH MY ORIGINAL AMENDED MOTION AND REQUEST A SECOND. OKAY. AND IF YOU GET A SECOND THEN WE VOTE ON IT. WE CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION AND VOTE. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO STICK WITH MY ORIGINAL AMENDED MOTION. YEAH. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY. CAN I SAY WHY NOT HAVING ONE. WE'LL GO. WE'LL GET ONE AND YOU'LL GET THE CHANCE OKAY? OKAY. DO WE HAVE A AN ADDITIONAL MOTION? I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT THE MOTION THAT VICE CHAIR MOSER SAID DIED FOR A LACK OF SECOND. SO WE WOULD NEED NOW A SECOND MOTION WAS WHAT IT DIED FOR A LACK OF SECOND. YES. THAT DIED. THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE WE WITHDREW THE FIRST. AND SO MOTION. JEFF, DID YOU HAVE A MOTION. YEAH. MOTION FOR FURTHER REVIEW BY THE ARTIST FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE IS NOW DEAD. I KNOW IT'S STILL IT'S IT'S STILL THAT WAS ACCEPTED.RIGHT. SO FURTHER AMENDMENT MOTION FOR FURTHER REVIEW BY THE ARTIST AND BY STAFF THAT THE FLORA AND FAUNA ARE APPROPRIATE FOR STUART AND TO CONSIDER MAKING THE HAPPIEST SEASIDE TOWN MORE PROMINENT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? CHAIR? I'M SO SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT THIS WOULD BE A COMPLETELY NEW MOTION. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO ADD THAT YOU WOULD WANT THE MOTION TO EITHER JUST BE AS PUBLISHED ONE AND TWO, OR YOU WANT TO ADD THE THIRD CONDITION AND THEN YOUR EXTRA CONDITIONS. IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY NEW IF YOU DIE FOR A LACK OF SECOND. YEAH, I THINK SO. LET ME CAN I TRY ONE AND TWO AND WE'VE ADDED THREE? I THINK THE QUESTION IS NO, NO THAT MOTION DIED. WELL NO. BUT I'M SAYING I THINK WE'VE GOT KIND OF AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE WANTING TO GET DO ALL THREE AT THIS POINT. THE QUESTION IS REALLY JUST THIS, THIS LAST LANGUAGE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IF I INTERPRETED MEMBER MOSER CORRECTLY, SHE'S NOT REQUIRING ITEM THREE. NO, SHE'S NOT REQUIRING ITEM FOUR. ORIGINALLY I WAS REQUIRING ITEM THREE, JUST NOT. YEAH, SHE WAS A FOR FOR A FOR ITEM. RETRACTED. I DON'T WANT TO COMPLICATE THAT. WELL THAT'S FINE THE WAY IT IS.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT TO, TO INDICATE THAT WE JUST WOULD ENCOURAGE THE CITY STAFF MAYBE TO TAKE FINAL LOOK AT IT, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT IN THAT. RIGHT. THAT'S FINE. AND THAT'S JUST STAFF. SO THE THE APPLICANT IS MOTIONED TO ME AND SHE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD. SURE. GO AHEAD.
RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A PENDING MOTION. SO. RIGHT. WE KNOW WE'RE GOOD. WE CAN PUT THE IMAGE BACK UP WHERE IT SHOWED IT ON THE BUILDING, BECAUSE MAYBE WE COULD SEE IF THE HAPPIEST SEASIDE LOOKS BIGGER. OKAY. THERE. WE'RE UP THERE. YEAH. SMALL, BUT I'M FEELING THAT. LOOK, IT'S A BIG WALL. STILL LOOKS SMALL TO ME. LOOKS SMALL TO YOU. BUT IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS FINE WITH IT. I MEAN, THE THE WALL IS LIKE THE BACK HALF OF THAT ROOM. IF YOU GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT IT. RIGHT. THE MURAL BEFORE HAD THESE LITTLE SQUARES LIKE THIS, AND THEY WERE STILL REALLY VISIBLE BEFORE IT WAS RENOVATED. OKAY. THAT'S FINE, I DON'T I DON'T NEED ANY FURTHER MOTION. OKAY. WELL DO WE CAN I MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE ANYONE DOES ANOTHER MOTION? AM I ALLOWED TO DO THAT NOW? GO AHEAD. YEAH. OKAY. MY ONLY APPREHENSION WAS MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS IN ALIGNED WITH LIKE WHAT IS STEWART IS. MOST OF THE PLANTS
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THAT WE PLANT IN STEWART ARE NOT NATIVE. ACTUALLY PROBABLY NONE OF THOSE ARE. BUT THEY GROW REALLY WELL HERE AND I THINK THEY ARE PART OF OUR IDENTITY. AND I JUST IF I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE WHAT'S NATIVE LIKE MAYBE THERE'S A, A TYPE OF FERN WE COULD PUT UP THERE OR A SAND CORDGRASS, AND I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL GIVE THE SAME LUSH VIBE THAT ALSO REPRESENTS THE CITY OF STEWART BUT REPRESENTS MATILDAS. LIKE IF YOU GO AND YOU LOOK AT THE ARTWORK INSIDE OF THEIR STORE, IT IS TROPICAL. IT IS. COASTAL, BUT BUT LIKE LUSH LANDSCAPE THAT THAT'S IN THE ART THAT'S IN THEIR STORE. AND SO I'M, I'M JUST WORRIED IF WE GET REALLY TOO SPECIFIC WITH THE ARTWORK, IT MIGHT LOSE SOME OF ITS OOMPH BECAUSE MOST OF OUR NATIVE PLANT SPECIES IN IN STEWART WOULD BE KIND OF GRAY TONE AND NOT VERY BOLD AND COLORFUL.WELL, AND AND I WOULD I WOULD JUST MENTION I, I DON'T I GUESS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT ON THIS THING IS I JUST WANT SOMEBODY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, TALK TO THE ARTIST AND MAKE SURE I'M I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT NATIVE PER SE, YOU KNOW, TO STEWART HERE PER SE. BUT WE HAVE AN ARTIST THAT'S OUT OF MIAMI. THERE ARE DIFFERENT PLANTS, DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, SITUATION IN MIAMI. SO WHAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR A MIAMI, YOU KNOW, IS NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME HERE. BUT ALSO I THINK THERE'S THE I DON'T I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE STAFF TAKE A LOOK AT IT. YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THE FINAL THING THAT IS THAT WE'RE WE'RE SURE THAT WE'RE HAPPY WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S UP THERE? I DON'T I WANT TO AVOID THE MISTAKES WHERE WE WHERE STEWART'S HAPPIEST SEASIDE TOWN HAS A YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. AN APPLE TREE LIKE THAT. AND I THINK THE ORANGE IS OKAY, BUT THERE'S NOT MANY OF THOSE TREES LEFT, SO THEY SHOULD HAVE GREENING ON THEM. BUT, BUT SO I GUESS THAT'S ALL I, THAT'S THAT'S ALL I WAS SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT THE THREE IN MY OPINION THE THREE ARE FINE. YOU KNOW, I THINK THOSE GUYS ARE DOING A GOOD JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK I THINK WE SHOULD AS PART OF THE MOTION, JUST HAVE BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES. JUST HAVE THE STAFF MAKE SURE THAT THAT WHAT WE END UP WITH ARE BASICALLY THINGS YOU MIGHT SEE IN STEWART AND NOT, YOU KNOW, IN PEORIA, ILLINOIS, WHERE I'M FROM OR SOMETHING. WELL, REPRESENTS STEWART TO ME. WHEN I SEE THAT I SEE MORE MIAMI THAN I KNOW SOUTH BEACH THAN I SEE STEWART. WELL, THERE'S A LITTLE OF THAT. THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I SEE. SOUTH BEACH FOR. BUT I LOVE IT. I MEAN, IT'S NICE. YEAH, I THINK IT'S IT'S COLORFUL AND ALL THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S COLORFUL. THERE SHOULD BE A SAW PALMETTO OR A PALM TREE OR SOMETHING. YEAH. LET'S NOT GET INTO OUR. LET'S LET STAFF JUST DEAL WITH IT. I JUST THINK THAT IF WE START CHANGING THE SPECIES OR ANYTHING, THEN I DON'T I DON'T THINK STAFF WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING IT WITHOUT BRINGING IT TO THE BOARD. SO IF WE START MAKING CHANGES THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT TO WHAT'S PRESENTED TODAY, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING THAT TO THE BOARD. CAN WE? UNLESS YOU TELL ME SPECIFIC PLANS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. LEE, CAN WE MAKE A FINAL. CAN WE MAKE A MOTION, A FINAL MOTION, AND THEN WITH A. WITH JUST A, WITH THE QUALIFICATION THAT THE STAFF TAKES A LOOK AT IT AND, YOU KNOW, THE ARTIST TAKES A LOOK AT IT AND, AND THEN THEY WOULD JUST ALL WE DO IS JUST WE WOULDN'T GO THROUGH THE WE JUST APPROVED THAT THE FINAL THAT THE THE STATEMENT THAT. YEAH THAT'S FINE. THE THE THE ART IS PROPOSED AS IS I MEAN I THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION. OKAY. OKAY. YOU SAY I DON'T WANT ORANGES IN IT. I'LL APPROVE THIS WITHOUT ORANGES. THE ARTIST, YOU KNOW CAN THE ORANGES. BUT YOU NEED TO STATE YOUR. I AGREE WITH PUTTING IT IN THE STAFF. IT'S YOU'RE KIND OF LEAVING IT OPEN. OKAY. YEAH.
SO AT THIS POINT I THINK I WOULD MOVE TO, TO APPROVE AS PUBLISHED AND THEN LEAVE IT AT THAT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT SECOND? OKAY. COMMENTS I KIND OF AGREE. I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE WE'VE EMPHASIZED TO STAFF THAT WE WANT THAT WE HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU KNOW THEY'LL WE'RE NOT MAKING THEM RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
BUT THEY KNOW WHAT OUR CONCERN IS. SO AND AND YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT OUR CONCERN IS. RIGHT. SO SO WE'RE GOOD I THINK THAT'S REALLY WITH THE YOU KNOW AND JUST GO GO FROM THAT. SO ALRIGHT WE GOT A FIRST AND A SECOND. RIGHT. ALRIGHT. AND JUST LET THE, LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT I VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE WITH BOARD MEMBER MOSER, THAT NATIVE SPECIES ARE BORING AND BLAND. THEY'RE NOT BORING. THEY'RE JUST NOT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TREE PERSON ARGUMENT
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HERE. SO IF YOU GUYS WANT TO GO OUT AND HUG ONE WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THESE GUYS TO BE DONE, NO, BE FINE, CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM BECAUSE AS CITY ATTORNEY BECKETT MENTIONED EARLIER, AS PUBLISHED IS JUST CONDITIONS ONE AND TWO, NOT THREE. CORRECT. YOU MEAN ONE, TWO AND THREE? NO, AS PUBLISHED AS ONE, ONE AND TWO. YOU DON'T WANT THE. YES, BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY ADDED THAT. THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SUGGESTED. NO, SIR. CHAIR, TO MAKE THAT SO. SORRY, IF I MIGHT ADD, WHAT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE AGENDA WAS ITEM NUMBER ONE AND TWO. THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE ATTACHED MURAL RENDERING AND EXHIBIT D, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE BELOW. AND TWO THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF ARTWORK ON THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 15 SOUTHWEST FLAGLER AVENUE. THE AGENDA DID NOT INCLUDE NUMBER THREE. THE ARTIST WILL ADJUST THE ESSENCE. STUART. SO IF WE'RE APPROVING BASED ON THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR, IT WOULD NOT INCLUDE DOING ANY CHANGES TO S IN IN THE IN THE STUDIO.WHERE DO WE GET THREE FROM. WASN'T THAT FROM THAT WAS FROM THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE ARTS COUNCIL. SO THAT'S RECOMMENDATION THE ARTS COUNCIL. SO SORRY. LET ME SO LET'S JUST LET ME REPHRASE MY MOTION IF YOU WILL ALLOW ME. SO I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE AS PUBLISHED AND THEN ADD ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE SCREEN HERE ABOUT THE QUOTE S GOOD JOB. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE GOT A FIRST AND A SECOND. WE GOT A ROLL CALL. NOW FINALLY, VICE CHAIR MOSER. YES.
BOARD MEMBER. LOUGHLIN. YES. CHAIR. BRAKEBILL. YES. BOARD MEMBER. SCHERER. YES. AND BOARD MEMBER. MONROE. YES. ALL RIGHT. THE THAT ENDS THAT WONDERFUL PROCESS. I LOVE JUDICIAL, QUASI JUDICIAL. BUT ANYWAY. THERE'S A THING ON HERE FOR STAFF UPDATE. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IF ANYBODY HAD.
[3. MURAL MATCHING GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CRA AND PROPERTY OWNER OF 15 SW FLAGLER AVENUE (RC): RESOLUTION No. 07-2025 CRA; A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE BOARD CHAIR TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE STUART COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND FIFTEEN FLAGLER LLC., WHO IS THE PORPERTY OWNER, FOR A MURAL MATCHING GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,000 TO INSTALL A MURAL ON THE EXTERIOR SOUTHERN WALL OF A BUILDING LOCATED AT 15 SW FLAGLER AVENUE; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]
WE HAVE ANOTHER ITEM. THREE. WHAT. IT'S THE ACTUAL APPLICATION FOR THAT. NOW THIS IS THAT WAS ALL I WAS ALL EXCITED FOR THE GRANT FUNDING. OKAY. LET'S DO THAT OKAY. THEY WANT THE THREE GRAND MAN ALL RIGHT. YEAH THEY DO. AND THEY THEY SHOULD GET THAT. THIS IS THE MURAL MATCHING GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CRA AND THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 15 SOUTHWEST FLAGLER AVENUE. RESOLUTION NUMBER 07-2025 CRA, A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE BOARD CHAIR TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE STUART COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND 15 FLAGLER, LLC, WHO IS THE PROPERTY OWNER, FOR A MURAL MATCHING GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,000 TO INSTALL A MURAL ON THE EXTERIOR SOUTHERN WALL OF THE BUILDING, LOCATED AT 15 SOUTHWEST FLAGLER AVENUE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. ALL RIGHT, NOW, THIS ISN'T QUASI JUDICIAL. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION? OKAY. TO HAVE A SECOND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. I THINK IT'S AGAIN IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM. THIS IS A QUALIFIED REQUEST. IT'S DESIGNED. NOW WHAT ARE YOU INTERRUPT. WELL WE'RE GOING TO BECAUSE WE GOTTA HAVE WE HAD A PRESENTATION. WE HAD THE PRESENTATION. NO. THIS IS ON THE MATCHING GRANT. TWO SEPARATE AGENDA ITEMS. BUT IT'S OKAY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MOTION. WE DON'T. ABSOLUTELY. WE ARE NOT SKIPPING THE PRESENTATION.SORRY. JORDAN WANTS TO MAKE A PRESENTATION. NO. BY ALL MEANS, IF YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD, IT'S OKAY. SO I CAN DO A BRIEF PRESENTATION IF YOU'D LIKE. OKAY. GO AHEAD. YES. OKAY. OKAY, SO AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE RECEIVED A MATCHING GRANT APPLICATION FROM THE PROPOSED MURAL ON THE WALL OF MATILDA'S BUILDING DOWNTOWN. AND THE APPLICATION IS PROCESSED, LIKE WE DISCUSSED SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE MINOR CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION, WHICH WAS JUST APPROVED BY BY THE CRB BOARD. THE OBJECTIVE OF THE PROGRAM, SINCE SOME BOARD MEMBERS ARE NEW, IS TO USE MURALS AS A CATALYST FOR REDEFINING OUR AREA AS A DESTINATION FOR ARTS AND CULTURE. THE APPLICANTS ARE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE IN THE FORM OF A 50 OVER 50 FUNDS MATCH, NOT TO EXCEED $3,000 FOR NEW MURAL ARTWORK, WHICH IS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. EACH FISCAL YEAR, THE CRA BUDGETS 20,000 FOR THE MURAL MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM. AS ORIGINALLY OR AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, AND THE PROGRAM IS AVAILABLE TO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS LIMITED TO COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE BUILDINGS. WITHIN THE CRA, MURALS ARE CONSIDERED TEMPORARY WORKS OF ART AND SHOULD BE MAINTAINED FOR A MINIMUM OF FIVE YEARS, AND A MURAL MAY NOT USE LETTERS, WORDS, NUMERALS, FIGURES, EMBLEMS, LOGOS, OR ANY COMBINATION THEREOF TO ADVERTISE GOODS, SERVICES OR MERCHANDISE. THE MURAL MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM WAS IMPLEMENTED IN 2019, AND HAS ASSISTED WITH THE FUNDING OF SEVEN MURALS THROUGHOUT THE CRA. THE MURALS PICTURED ARE ON THE GUILT COMPLEX TO HOEN BUILDING, OLD COLORADO IN URBAN BOTANICALS, AND THE VA BUILDING ON MLK. AS MENTIONED, THE PROPOSED MURAL WILL BE ON THE EXTERIOR SOUTHERN WALL OF THE MATILDAS BUILDING, AND IT WILL CATCH THE ATTENTION OF SHOPPERS PASSING BY, AS WELL AS CARS PASSING THROUGH CONFUSION CORNER AND DOWN FLAGLER AVENUE. PUBLIC ART IS A CENTRAL COMPONENT TO THE COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION. ART
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STRENGTHENS COMMUNITIES, DRIVES TOURISM, AND FOSTERS ENVIRONMENT AND CREATIVITY AND INNOVATION. THROUGH THIS COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION EFFORT, WE AIM TO ENGAGE THE CREATIVE SECTOR AND DRIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CRA. AS DESCRIBED IN THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM, THE PROPOSED MURAL WILL SUPPORT THOSE EFFORTS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A MATCHING GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF 3000 FOR THE PROPOSED MURAL. THE TOTAL COST OF THE MURAL PROJECT IS ESTIMATED AT $21,836, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THE 50%, BUT NOT TO EXCEED THE 3000 AS IN THE PROGRAM GUIDELINES. SO AT THIS TIME, STAFF WOULD REQUEST A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THE CRA TO APPROVE RESOLUTION OH SEVEN 2025. CRA TO AWARD THE GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,000. JORDAN. WHAT WAS THE TOTAL? THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT IS $21,836. SO THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE POCKET OF THE OF THE BUILDING. THE MATCH WE'RE GIVING THEM. YEAH. 3000 OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR SO WE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING THERE. ALSO, ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION. SINCE WE BROUGHT THIS UP, WHAT'S THE EXPECTED LIFE? ARE THEY SEALING THIS OR WHAT'S THE EXPECTED LIFE ON THIS. ALL OF OUR MEAL MURALS HAVE BEEN SEALED, AND THEY'RE EXPECTED TO MAINTAIN THEM FOR UP TO FIVE YEARS. FIVE YEARS MINIMUM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. ALRIGHT. NOW, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? YES.NO, I'M ANNOYED NOW. ME TOO. I'M GOING HOME. THIS IS THE BEST MEETING I EVER HAD. YEAH, WE GOT A. WE GOT A MOTION. WHO'S MAKING IT? WE HAVE A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER MONROE AND SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER SHARE. YES. OKAY, GOOD. WE CAN GO BACK. WE WENT BACK TO THAT ONE. OKAY, GOOD. ALRIGHT. WE DON'T NEED A ROLL CALL FOR THIS ONE. RIGHT? WE DO. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? I KNOW WE DO. IT'S. OH, YOU DO NEED ONE. YES. IT'S MONEY. WHAT MONEY? WHY IS THAT? WHAT'S THE DETERMINATION OF THAT? I KNOW QUASI ALL MONEY. MONEY? YES. IF THERE'S ANY SALE, ANYTHING HAS MONEY ASSOCIATED. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. NOW I KNOW. ALL RIGHT. ROLL CALL.
BOARD MEMBER LOFFLER. YES. BOARD MEMBER. YES. VICE CHAIR. MOSER. YES. BOARD MEMBER. SHARE.
YES. AND CHAIR. BRETTEVILLE. YES. ALRIGHT. NOW, IF I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ANYTHING ELSE. DONE ANYTHING ELSE WRONG? WE MAY GET OUT OF HERE, BUT I. WE DO HAVE STAFF UPDATES, SO I AM GOING TO SEE IF THE STAFF HAS AN UPDATE FOR ANYTHING. SO IS THERE ANY UPDATE? OKAY. YOU CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING. SHUSH. IT'S ONLY 5 TO 5. ALRIGHT. HAVE MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED
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