Nov 10, 2025 Regular City Commission Meeting

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PURPLE IS THE COLOR OF. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M CALLING THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE STUART CITY COMMISSION FOR THE 10TH OF NOVEMBER, 2025. TO ORDER. ROLL CALL PLEASE, MADAM CLERK. MAYOR.

VICE MAYOR COLLINS HERE. COMMISSIONER. CLERK. HERE. COMMISSIONER. JOB HERE. MR. REED HERE. AND THIS AFTERNOON, FOR THE INVOCATION. I'M HAPPY TO SEE AGAIN CHAPLAIN EDWARD SKIBA FROM STEWART'S HOME POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND WILL YOU ALSO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AFTERWARDS? THANK YOU. PLEASE. PLEASE RISE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL STAFF, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE PEOPLE OF STEWART. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO TO COME UP AND INVITE THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD INTO THESE PROCEEDINGS. PROCEEDINGS, TOMORROW'S VETERANS DAY. HOW MANY VETERANS DO WE HAVE IN THE ROOM? ANY. OH MY GOODNESS, MY FAMILY, MY HUSBAND, FAMILY MEMBERS. BUT HE'S NOT FAMILY. BUT I GUESS I MADE I HAD TO LOOK AT THE LITTLE GIRL. ALL RIGHT. WELL LET'S REMEMBER THOSE FOLKS THAT DO SERVE US IN THIS, IN THIS GREAT NATION. LET'S GO BEFORE THE LORD OUR GOD AND OUR FATHER, GREAT CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE. YOU RAISE UP MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE WILLING TO TO SIGN A BLANK CHECK FOR AN AMOUNT UP TO AND INCLUDING THEIR LIVES, TO PUT THEM ON THE LINE FOR THIS COUNTRY. WE THANK YOU FOR THAT, LORD, AS WE COME INTO THIS MEETING, WE REMEMBER THAT THERE'S SUCH DIVISION IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW, AND WE ASK THAT YOU UNIFY US, THAT YOU DRAW US BACK TOGETHER, MAKE US THE ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, THAT YOU INTENDED US TO BE. FATHER, I THANK YOU FOR THE WONDERFUL CITY OF STEWART AND FOR THIS COUNCIL, FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT HAVE TAKEN ON THE LEADERSHIP TO DIRECT US AND GUIDE US AND HELP US STAY WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT'S RIGHT AND WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS. I ASK YOUR BLESSING ON THEM AS WE COME TOGETHER. FATHER, I ASK THAT YOU BLESS US AND KEEP US. YOU MAKE YOUR FACE TO SHINE UPON US. BE GRACIOUS UNTO US. YOU TURN YOUR COUNTENANCE TOWARDS US, AND YOU BRING US PEACE. WOULD YOU PLEASE JOIN ME NOW IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE BE SEATED. THANK YOU. CHAPLAIN. WE HAVE AN ARTS MOMENT WITH ZOE MCKNIGHT. IS ZOE MCKNIGHT. AND ZOE ON HER OWN, OR DOES SHE DANCE WITH A STUDIO? SORRY. ON HER OWN.

DANCING. GOOD AFTERNOON.

ZOE, BEAR WITH US.

TO THE RESCUE. YES. DOES HE? OKAY. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I PRESENT ZOE MCKNIGHT, AND SHE'S GOING TO BE DOING A DANCE PERFORMANCE. HERE. BROKEN DOWN AND TIRED. OF LIVING LIFE ON A MERRY GO ROUND. AND YOU CAN'T FIND A FIGHTER. BUT I SEE IT IN YOU. SO WE CAN

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OH, OH, WE NEED IS HOPE. AND FOR THAT WE HAVE EACH OTHER. AND FOR THAT WE HAVE EACH OTHER.

AND. WE WILL RISE. WE WILL RISE, WE ARRIVE. WE'LL RISE. I'LL RISE UP, RISE LIKE THE DAY.

I'LL RISE UP. IN SPITE OF THE ACHE I WILL RISE A THOUSAND TIMES AGAIN. AND WE'LL RISE UP.

I'M LIKE THE WAVES WILL RISE UP. IN SPITE OF THE ACHE WILL RISE UP. AND WE'LL DO IT A THOUSAND TIMES AGAIN. YOU. YOU FEEL FOR.

WAY TO GO. WAY TO GO.

HI, MOMMY.

THANK YOU. ZOE, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MISS MCKNIGHT. LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE OUR OWN STUART SCOTT TALENT. UP. MR. BHAGAT, COULD YOU PLEASE READ THE PROCLAMATION WE HAVE THIS MONTH?

[PROCLAMATION]

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AS A FOUNDATION OF CARE. BEYOND PROVIDING PHYSICAL TREATMENT, HOSPICE ATTENDS TO THE PATIENT'S EMOTIONAL, SPIRITUAL, AND FAMILY NEEDS AND PROVIDES FAMILY SERVICES LIKE RESPITE CARE AND GRIEF COUNSELING. AND WHEREAS, HOSPICE AND PALLIATIVE CARE ORGANIZATIONS ARE ADVOCATES AND EDUCATORS ABOUT ADVANCED CARE PLANNING THAT HELPS INDIVIDUALS MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THE CARE THEY WANT. FOUNDED IN 1982, TREASURE COAST HOSPICE IS A NONPROFIT COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION OF SKILLED PROFESSIONALS AND DEDICATED VOLUNTEERS WHO WHOSE MISSION IS TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO COMPASSIONATE, CARING AND EXPERT IN PROFESSIONAL, HOSPICE AND GRIEF SUPPORT SERVICES TO PATIENTS AND FAMILIES AT THE END OF LIFE. AND WHEREAS TODAY, TREASURE COAST HOSPICE SERVES MORE THAN 4000 PATIENTS ANNUALLY, PROVIDING HOLISTIC PATIENT CARE, PATIENT CENTERED CARE, AND COMFORT TO PATIENTS AND FAMILIES IN MARTIN, SAINT LUCIE AND OKEECHOBEE COUNTIES. THIS YEAR, TREASURE COAST HOSPICE CELEBRATED THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY OF ITS SPECIALIZED PEDIATRIC CARE PROGRAM, LITTLE TREASURES, WHICH IMPROVES THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF CHILDREN AND TEENS WITH A LIFE LIMITING ILLNESS BY PROVIDING SUPPORT FOR THE ENTIRE FAMILY. NOW, THEREFORE, I, CAMPBELL RICH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF STUART, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 2025 AS HOSPICE AND PALLIATIVE CARE MONTH. AND ACCEPTING THIS PROCLAMATION AND RECOGNITION OF HOSPICE AND PALLIATIVE CARE MONTH IS DOCTOR JOHN CROUCH, THE VICE PRESIDENT OF MEDICAL SERVICES AT TREASURE COAST HOSPICE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THAT WAS VERY GOOD. GOOD. WELL, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. COULD YOU STAND JUST A BIT CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RECOGNIZING TREASURE COAST HOSPICE FOR THE SERVICE AND THE MISSION THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED.

AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M WEARING MY PURPLE. THANK YOU. HOSPICE. THANK YOU. OKAY. SERVICE AWARDS WE HAVE. FIVE THIS AFTERNOON. AND WE'LL BEGIN.

[PRESENTATIONS]

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AND THAT'S JUST WE WERE GOING TO PROVIDE A RECOGNITION TO A YOUNG MAN, YOUNG TO ME, BUT FOR TEN YEARS OF SERVICE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, HE PASSED AWAY JUST VERY RECENTLY. AND HIS FAMILY, I'M THANKFUL HIS FAMILY IS HERE THIS EVENING TO ACCEPT THIS. BUT MR. KOONIN HAS AGREED TO MAKE SOME REMARKS REGARDING HIS EMPLOYEE AND A MEMBER OF THE CITY OF STUART STAFF. THANK YOU. OH. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. THIS AFTERNOON WE TAKE A MOMENT TO HONOR AND REMEMBER JAMES ALLEN, OUR CHIEF PLANT OPERATOR AT THE CITY OF STUART'S WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY. JAMES PASSED AWAY A LITTLE OVER TWO WEEKS AGO, AND HIS LOSS HAS BEEN DEEPLY FELT ACROSS OUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION. HE WAS MORE THAN A COLLEAGUE.

HE WAS A FRIEND, A MENTOR, AND A STEADY AND TRUSTED LEADER WITHIN OUR UTILITIES AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS, JAMES DEVOTED HIMSELF TO PROTECTING ONE OF OUR MOST VITAL RESOURCES THE WATER THAT SUSTAINS OUR COMMUNITY. THROUGH HIS KNOWLEDGE, PROFESSIONALISM AND QUIET DEDICATION, HE HELPED ELEVATE THE CITY OF STUART'S WASTEWATER OPERATIONS TO A HIGHER LEVEL. HE TOOK GREAT PRIDE IN HIS WORK AND HELD

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AND ONE LITTLE ONE LEFT. WITH THAT. THANK YOU.

SLIDE LIKE CRAZY. OKAY. WELL. COMMISSIONER REID, WOULD YOU LIKE TO FOLLOW

[COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS]

I WANT TO THANK JOLIE FOR STEPPING INTO THE ROLE OF CITY MANAGER DURING THIS TIME OF TRANSITION, AND FOR KEEPING ME WELL INFORMED. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. I WANT TO THANK THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THEIR STAFF. THEY ARE ALL TO BE COMMENDED FOR AN EXCELLENT JOB THAT THEY CONTINUE TO DO EVERY DAY, YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS CITY RUNS SMOOTHLY. I WANT TO THANK THOSE INDIVIDUALS FOR THEIR CONTINUED SUPPORT, BOTH VERBALLY AT THESE MEETINGS AND VIA EMAIL. YOUR KIND WORDS ARE VERY APPRECIATED. TOMORROW IS VETERAN'S DAY AND

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IT'S JUST A WAY FOR COMMUNITY TO COME OUT AND TO MEET EACH OTHER AND TO HELP EACH OTHER.

SO ANYTIME FROM AFTER 3 P.M. AT THE GERTRUDE WALDEN CHILDCARE CENTER AT THE CORNER OF BAYVIEW AND MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD, PLEASE COME OUT AND PARTICIPATE BY PICKING UP A DINNER OR STAYING AND TALKING TO SOMEONE, OR PICKING UP A DINNER FOR SOMEONE WHO CAN'T COME OUT AND BRING IT TO THEM. AND THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT TO SHOW COMMUNITY AND TO SHOW THAT WE CARE FOR OTHERS. WITH REGARD TO COMMISSIONER REED AND COMMISSIONER JOB, THEIR CONCERNS, I THINK COMMISSIONER REED, AT A CONCERN ABOUT HOW WE DEAL WITH ISSUES WHEN PEOPLE SEND US EMAILS OR PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW HAVE PARTICULAR ISSUES WITH THE COMMUNITY, WITH EITHER PREVIOUS BUILDING PERMITS OR LONG STANDING ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON WITH THE CITY, OR EVEN TO THE REPLACEMENT OF OUR CITY MANAGER. WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, I JUST WANT US TO TAKE THOSE THOUGHTS IN MIND AS THEY BROUGHT THEM TO US TONIGHT, THAT WE THINK OF HOW WE, AS A COMMISSION, WILL BE LOOKINGO ASK OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO BRING US SOME IDEAS BEFORE THE NEW YEAR STARTS OR AFTER THE NEW YEAR STARTS. HOWEVER, WE WANT TO APPROACH THAT. WE NEED TO THINK OF THAT AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN UNITY AND INTEGRITY AND CONTINUITY IN OUR CITY. SO WE JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST, FOREMOST IN OUR MINDS. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK.

MISTER BOGLIOLI, AND I WANT TO THANK THOSE WHO BRING ISSUES TO US. AND WE'RE IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT LISTENING TO YOU, WE ARE. BUT SOMETIMES IT TAKES A LITTLE WHILE TO GET THINGS GOING. AND SOME OF OUR STAFF ARE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS UNDER THEIR BELT. I KNOW ESPECIALLY WE HAVE A DEPARTMENT USED TO BE ONE PERSON. NOW WE HAVE TWO ATTORNEYS WITH THE CITY. BUT I KNOW AND I THANK ESPECIALLY MR. BAGGETT FOR ALL THE WORK THAT HE DOES AND ALL THE THINGS THAT COMES UNDER HIS PURVIEW. AND I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE OUR STAFF AT THIS TIME AS WE GO TO THE HOLIDAY SEASON, AS WE CELEBRATE TOMORROW FOR VETERANS DAY. MY HUSBAND HAS SERVED IN THE MARINES, AND WE KNOW LOTS OF OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS WHO HAVE SERVED, AND WE JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR WHAT THEY DO TO MAKE THIS PLACE OUR COMMUNITY. AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY COULD HAVE SAID IT BETTER THAN WHAT PEOPLE SAID TODAY. JUST THE FACT THAT EACH OF US, WHATEVER WE DO, THE LITTLE THINGS AND THE BIG THINGS THAT WE DO, MAKES IT THE CITY OF STEWART AND MAKES IT OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE OUGHT TO BE PROUD OF THAT, AND WE OUGHT TO CONTINUE TO PICK UP THE PIECES AND MOVE FORWARD AND DO OUR BEST EVERY DAY. THANK YOU.

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I MET HIM ONCE AND DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE HE HAD FOR THE CITY OF STEWART.

THAT'S OUR MOST THAT'S OUR MOST EXPENSIVE INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY IS THAT WATER PLANT.

AND AS WELL IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN SAFE AND RELIABLE WATER TO OUR RESIDENTS. MR. BUT IT'S QUITE A LEGACY BECAUSE OF NOT ONLY THE PRESENCE OF THAT PLANT, THAT ABSOLUTELY STATE OF THE ART RECLAMATION FACILITY, BUT BECAUSE IF IT WEREN'T FOR MR. PETERS AND MIKE MARTEL, THE CITY WOULD NOT BE THE BELLWETHER CLIENT IN THE UNITED STATES AND ONE OF THE LARGEST CLASS ACTION SETTLEMENTS IN HISTORY. AND THE PROCEEDS OF WHICH WILL ALLOW US GUARANTEE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A SAFE WATER SUPPLY FOR DECADES TO COME. AND NOT ONLY THAT, HIS IMPACT ON THE STAFF WAS VERY EVIDENT. AND THAT'S A YOU KNOW, THAT'S A WONDERFUL LEGACY FOR ANYBODY TO PROVIDE A COMMUNITY, AND ESPECIALLY SINCE, YOU KNOW, ELECTED OFFICIALS, THANK GOD WE COME AND GO. BUT STAFF REMAINS.

AND YOU COULD SEE BY THESE SERVICE AWARDS, 30 YEARS, 35 YEARS, THEY'RE THE FACE OF THE CITY. THEY GUARANTEE THE QUALITY OF LIFE. THEY DO THE WORK, THEY DO THE MOST INTERACTION. AND FOR MR. PETERS TO HAVE INSTILLED SUCH A HIGH DEGREE OF EXPECT SO MUCH FROM THE STAFF IN TERMS OF QUALITY OF PERFORMANCE. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED BY THAT, AND I ALWAYS APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET ALL THOSE PEOPLE, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A TERRIFIC MORNING AND IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL MORNING. SO I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO TOOK THE TIME TO BE THERE AND EXPRESS THEIR APPRECIATION FOR MR. PETERS. SO MR. BRAND NEW SPANKING, BRAND

[COMMENTS BY CITY MANAGER]

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[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (Non-Agenda Related) (3 Minutes Max.)]

MISREPRESENTATION OF CREDENTIALS. MISTER CHILD PUBLICLY CLAIMS TO HOLD AN ADVANCED DEGREE, INCLUDING A MASTER'S DEGREE IN MUSICAL THEATER FROM THE CENTRAL MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY, AND TO HAVE RECEIVED PROFESSIONAL TRAINING WITH NATIONAL TOURING GROUPS. INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION SHOWS THESE CLAIMS ARE FALSE. DESPITE LACKING LEGITIMATE CREDENTIALS, HE REPEATEDLY CAST THE SAME CIRCLES OF PERFORMERS, MANY OF THEM YOUNG, THUS LIMITING LIMITING THEIR ACCESS TO TRAINED PROFESSIONAL INSTRUCTION. THE BARN THEATER HAS AN INTERNSHIP PROGRAM FOR LOCAL STUDENTS, AND THOSE STUDENTS SHOULD BENEFIT FROM A MENTOR WITH EDUCATIONAL CREDENTIALS AND A LEGITIMATE THEATER DEGREE. NUMBER THREE CONFLICT OF INTEREST. RELIABLE. OH, IS THAT MY THREE MINUTES? I'M SORRY. NO, YOU CAN CONTINUE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAYOR. NUMBER THREE, CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

RELIABLE SOURCES MAINTAIN MR. CHILD'S FAMILY ARE SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTORS TO THE BARN THEATER. THIS RELATIONSHIP MAY INFLUENCE CONTINUED SUPPORT FOR HIS LEADERSHIP DESPITE DOCUMENTED CONCERNS ABOUT HIS CONDUCT AND QUALIFICATIONS. NUMBER FOUR SEXUAL HARASSMENT

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OH. I'M SORRY. OH, GO AHEAD, WILLIAM RUDGE. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS AND MR. MAYOR, OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE HAVE HEARD SOME SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS. SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CITY OFFICIALS IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY AS SERVANTS OF THE CITY OF STUART. A GREAT MANY OF THESE ALLEGATIONS ARE SERIOUS FELONIES, INCLUDING FRAUD UPON THE COURT, PERJURY IN COURT BY AN ATTORNEY, FRAUD UPON THIS VERY COMMISSION, MALFEASANCE VIOLATION OF THE FLORIDA AND FEDERAL CONSTITUTION. AND ADDITIONALLY, RICO AND HOBBS ACT VIOLATIONS.

NOW, THESE ARE SOME SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS, AND THEY DEMAND THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. YOU AND THIS COMMISSION HAVE THE RIGHT AND EVEN THE OBLIGATION TO YOUR CITIZENS TO CONDUCT A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION, TO CALL WITNESSES, TO COLLECT EVIDENCE AND DOCUMENTATION. I SUGGEST YOU GET STARTED CLEANING UP THIS DISASTROUS MESS. INSTEAD OF INVESTIGATING THE THREE COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE BRAVE ENOUGH TO BRING THIS FORWARD. THE CITY OF STUART, OFFICIALS THAT ARE NAMED ACTORS AND HAVE ROLES IN THIS ALLEGED FRAUD AND RACKETEERING SCHEME ARE THE FOLLOWING MICHAEL MARTELL, FORMER CITY MANAGER AND CITY FORMER CITY ATTORNEY ROBERT KILBRIDE, FORMER CITY ATTORNEY DAVID DIAZ, FORMER POLICE CHIEF AND FORMER CITY MANAGER.

VARIOUS BUILDING OFFICIALS AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS SHOW A WHITE, THE CITY CLERK,

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DEPRIVATION OF RIGHTS UNDER COLOR OF LAW, 18 U.S.C. 1341 AND 1343. MAIL AND WIRE FRAUD.

THE FLORIDA STATUTES 817 .03. FOR FRAUDULENT PRACTICES, 119 .011 62.09 105.1. PUBLIC RECORDS AND PERMITTING VIOLATIONS. FLORIDA BAR RULES. THEREFORE, MR. MAYOR, I INSIST THAT THE CITIZENS IN FACT DESERVE AND HAVE THE RIGHT TO YOU OFFICE IN THIS COMMISSION, OPENING A FORMAL INVESTIGATION INTO THE NAMED INDIVIDUALS AND ENTITIES AND ALL ALLEGED CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES. PRESERVE ALL RELEVANT COMMUNICATIONS, CONTACTS AND PUBLIC RECORDS.

COORDINATE WITH STATE AND FEDERAL AUTHORITIES AS APPROPRIATE. THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT HERE, BECAUSE IT IT SEEMS THAT THERE WERE SOME SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS BROUGHT UP AND THE THREE COMMISSIONERS THAT HAD THE BRAVERY TO STAND UP AND POINT SOME OF THIS STUFF OUT ARE BEING PERSECUTED. AND YOU NEED TO BE INVESTIGATING THE ALLEGATIONS, NOT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE BRAVE ENOUGH TO BRING IT UP. THANK YOU. BARBARA GRASS. I'M A LITTLE BIT SHORTER.

BARBARA GRASS, 63, SOUTHEAST PALERMO COURT. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF MARTIN COUNTY SINCE 1972 AND A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF STUART SINCE 2006. I AM NOT HERE TO DISCUSS THE MERITS, NOR THE LACK THEREOF, OF THE FIRING OF THE CITY MANAGER, BUT I AM HERE NOW. BECAUSE OF HOW YOU HAVE NOW GOTTEN INTO MY WALLET, MY TAX DOLLAR. I CAN ONLY ASSUME WE ARE NOT GOING WITHOUT A CITY MANAGER, SO WE WILL FILL IT. HOW? WELL? JOB POSTING CORRECT INTERNALLY. LITTLE COST THERE, BUT NOT TOO MUCH. LETTERS OF INTEREST PERHAPS FROM SOME OF YOUR STAFF, FROM CURRENT CITY EMPLOYEES, OR I GUESS WE COULD HIRE A HEADHUNTER. WHOOPS. MORE MONEY.

SO A HEADHUNTER MONEY. NEW CONTRACT WITH MAYBE A HIGHER SALARY. SALARY IF NOT OUT OF THE AREA. A RELOCATION PACKAGE FOR THAT. AND THEN THERE IS THE BIGGEST UNKNOWN OF ALL. WE GET SUED AND THERE'S A BIG FEE BECAUSE OF YOUR FIRING. HOW MUCH IS THIS COSTING ME? THE TAXPAYER. MY WALLET THAT USUALLY I LIKE TO SPEND AT THE BAR OF THE GROCERY STORE. BUT THE ANSWER SHOULD BE EXPRESSED. NEXT IN VOTING FOR COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. MARK BRAKEBILL. GOOD EVENING, MR. BRAKEBILL. GOOD EVENING. I JUST HAD A QUICK COMMENT BASED ON SOME THINGS EULA WAS TALKING ABOUT IS WE HAVEN'T HAD, I DON'T THINK, ANY KIND OF RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR SISTER CITY HOPETOWN IN A WHILE. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE LOOKING AT WHAT HAPPENED OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE GOOD. I THINK FOR US TO GET THAT RELATIONSHIP BACK UP AGAIN A LITTLE BIT. SO IN CASE WE DO NEED AND THEY HAVE A COMMUNITY OUT THERE THAT MIGHT NEED OUR HELP THROUGH HOPETOWN. SO I JUST MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, EAGLE'S POINT, THAT'S PART OF OUR OVERALL COMMUNITY. THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO US OUT OUT HERE. AND SO I JUST THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, BE GOOD TO MAYBE GET HOPE TOWN INVOLVED AGAIN AS OUR SISTER CITY. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF YOU REMEMBER, MR. BAGWELL, MR. SWEDEN WAS HERE SIX WEEKS AGO. TWO WEEKS AGO. TWO MONTHS AGO. TWO MONTHS. TWO MONTHS AGO. SO HE WAS IN. HE WAS IN TOWN WITH HIS FAMILY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF MEDICAL CARE. YEAH. ANYBODY

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I DID WANT TO GIVE AN UPDATE BEFORE OUR EVENTS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT JUST DOING EVENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN. WE DO HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE HAVE SELECTED OUR ARTIST FOR OUR ART MURAL PROJECT, OUR PROPOSED ART MURAL PROJECT FOR FLAGLER PARK. I'M HOPING TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT OUR CONCEPT TO YOU IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. IT IS A BUSY TIME OF YEAR AND YOU HAVE BIGGER THINGS ON YOUR PLATE RIGHT NOW.

HISTORIC PRESERVATION UPDATES. WE HAVE TWO EFFORTS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, AND I HOPE TO REPORT THOSE SOON. IT'S JUST THAT I'M WAITING ON SOME STUFF FROM OUR GOOD OLD STATE DEPARTMENT, SO I'LL BE BACK WITH THAT INFORMATION. WE JUST HAD OUR SIDEWALK SALE, OUR FALL SIDEWALK SALE THIS WEEKEND. IT WAS A BIG SUCCESS DESPITE THE AIR SHOW, WHICH WAS ALSO ANOTHER WONDERFUL EVENT FOR OUR CITY. KUDOS TO THEM FOR A SUCCESSFUL EVENT, BUT I DO WANT TO APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT DURING SMALL BUSINESS OR I'M SORRY, OUR FALL SIDEWALK SALE. IT WAS A VERY BUSY WEEKEND. I WAS HERE SKIRTING AROUND ON OUR LITTLE GOLF CART YESTERDAY, CHECKING THINGS OUT. AND IT WAS IT WAS HUMMING, SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT. NOVEMBER 25TH IS OUR CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY, AS I HOPE YOU ALL WILL KNOW BY NOW. WE HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE AND THEN. NOVEMBER 26TH IS SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY. NOW MORE THAN EVER, WE ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO SUPPORT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES AS THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS RISE RISES. YOU SHOULD REALLY BE SUPPORTING YOUR BUSINESSES ALL YEAR ROUND. DECEMBER 4TH, FIFTH AND SIXTH IS GOING TO BE A BUSY WEEK FOR OUR DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE OUR ANNUAL WINTER STROLL. THE VNA IS CHRISTMAS PARADE, WHICH IS ANOTHER BIG EVENT FOR OUR CITY, AND WE ARE PARTNERING AGAIN WITH THE MARINE INDUSTRIES TO WELCOME THE CHRISTMAS BOAT PARADE TO DOCK HERE IN OUR DOWNTOWN THIS YEAR. SO WE HOPE EVERYBODY COMES OUT FOR THAT AND THAT IS ALL. YOU KNOW WHERE TO FIND ME IF YOU NEED ME. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT. DO YOU NEED A CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHT? THAT'S ALWAYS THE FRIDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING. WELL, YOU SAID THE 25TH, SO DID I. 28TH. 28TH. YES. YES, MA'AM. SORRY, I'M THINKING 2025. YES. NO. YOU SHOULD ALSO GET AN EMAIL FROM OUR EVENT COORDINATOR FOR THAT. BUT I WILL MAKE SURE TO FOLLOW UP WITH INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND ALL THE PARTIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU CANDICE.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR DOING AN UPDATE. YOU SHOULD DO THOSE MORE. YEAH, YEAH I KNOW, I KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING I KNOW YOU. I KNOW YOU DO A LOT, BUT IT'S NICE FOR NEWSLETTER.

OH, YEAH. OKAY. OLGA HAMILTON. MR. HAMILTON DO YOU WANT TO DO IT NOW OR WITH REGARD TO ITEM FIVE? THAT'S IT. OKAY OKAY. THAT'S WHATEVER. SO OKAY HAMILTON 311 SOUTHWEST THIRD STREET STUART, FLORIDA. SO I DO APPRECIATE WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THE SCOPE OF WORK EVEN ALL AFTER THIS TURMOIL. WHAT I DO NOT APPRECIATE THE FALSE INFORMATION. WHOEVER PUT IN THAT SCOPE OF WORK I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CITY ATTORNEY OR IT'S GUARDIAN COMMUNITY RESOURCE MANAGEMENT IN CONTINUING THE SAME SHENANIGANS. SO WHY THEY PUT WHOEVER IT IS, THREE IMAGINARY NEW WINDOWS, AND THEN THEY REQUEST WHEN THESE THREE NEW WINDOWS ARE REMOVED, THEY HAVE TO BE IN OPERATIONAL CONDITION. ARE YOU REALLY EXPECTING US TO SIGN THIS SCOPE OF WORK ON THREE? IMAGINARY WINDOWS THAT SOMEHOW APPEARED IN OUR BUILDING? WE HAD A OUT OF 20 WINDOWS THAT HAD TO BE INSTALLED. WE HAD ONLY 17 REPLACEMENT OVERSIZE WINDOWS THAT HAVE TO BE REMOVED AND TWO ORIGINAL WINDOWS, AND WE DO NOT HAVE ANY WINDOWS IN OUR BATHROOM FOR YEAR AND A HALF. SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE 19 WINDOWS. WE DO NOT HAVE IMAGINARY NEW WINDOWS EXTRA TO THE 17 REPLACEMENT WINDOWS. I WILL NOT ADDRESS ALL OTHER ISSUES. WE CAN COMMUNICATE AND RESOLVE IT THROUGH THE EMAIL, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME STATEMENTS.

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SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE AND MOVE FORWARD. I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO REFER YOU TO THE 2022 VIDEO COMMISSIONERS MEETING ON MAY 23RD. OCTOBER 10TH, WHEN THE CRA DIRECTOR WAS DISCUSSING THE VETTING PROCESS ON THE PROGRAM AND THEY WERE BROUGHT ISSUE WITH THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST WHEN. MARGARET. BRIDSON.

MARGARET BROMFIELD, WITH EULA CLARK BEING THE RELATIVE, EVERYTHING WAS WAS CLEAR.

CLEARLY THE APPLICANTS WENT THROUGH THE SAME VETTING PROCESS AND WE ARE STILL HERE.

[APPROVAL OF CONSENT CALENDAR]

[5. CDBG HOUSING REHABILITATION PROGRAM TIMELINE EXTENSION (RC): RESOLUTION No. 102-2025; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPROVING AN EXTENSION OF TIME FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT HOUSING REHABILITATION PROGRAM; AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL RELATED DOCUMENTS; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

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GOOD. GOOD AFTERNOON, MISS GANDY. MR. BAGGETT. IN LIGHT OF THE CONCERNS AND WE KNOW WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE, ARE WE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT WHEN WE EXTEND FOR THE SIX MONTHS, EVERYTHING WILL BE WELL WITH THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY DEPARTMENT AND THAT ANY FUTURE GRANTS WON'T BE. AFFECTED NEGATIVELY? JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE DO THIS, HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE RESOLVED AND EVERYBODY WILL GET EVERYTHING IN AND APPROVED WITHIN THAT SIX MONTH PERIOD. AND IF WE DON'T, IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO CARRY THIS FURTHER? MISS CANDACE HAVE THIS OR WOULD THAT TRUNCATE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH THOSE GRANT FUNDS. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN GET THAT SCOPE OF WORK EXECUTED FOR THE HAMILTON'S PROJECT BY END OF THIS YEAR. THE WORK THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WORK TO BE FINISHED. I WE THINK THAT WE COULD GET THE WORK FINISHED WITHIN 3 TO 4 MONTHS. SO IT'S A PRETTY FEASIBLE TIMELINE. SIX MONTHS EXTENSION. THE OTHER PROJECT IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION.

IT'S AT 724 SOUTHEAST BAHAMA AVENUE. THAT HOUSE BURNED DOWN, SO WE HAD TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS. WE ALSO TRANSFERRED THE CONTRACT FROM PATRIOT TO A2, A2, B DEVELOPMENT. BECAUSE WE'VE REMOVED PATRIOT FROM ALL OF OUR JOBS MOVING FORWARD. SO THAT PROCESS TOOK A LITTLE WHILE. SO WE'RE GOING TO FINISH OUT THAT HOME. AND AND AND HAMILTON'S PROJECT AS LONG AS WE CAN GET THAT SCOPE APPROVED IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. AND DO WE HAVE FUNDS LEFT OVER OR THAT COULD BE ACCESS TO COMPLETE THE OTHER PROJECTS? OUT OF THE 11 THAT WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IN THE FIRST SET? SO WE DO HAVE THE REMAINING BALANCE FOR THE HAMILTON'S PROJECT. SO FAR, WE'VE REQUESTED $37,000 FROM FLORIDA COMMERCE FOR REIMBURSEMENT. SO ABOUT $43,000 REMAINING FOR REIMBURSEMENT. AND WE'RE DEPENDING ON THE WHEN WE GO OUT FOR BID, WHAT THAT COST LOOKS LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO FLORIDA COMMERCE AND REQUEST ADDITIONAL FUNDING. THEY DO SUPPORT THE CITY AND AND HAMILTON'S TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT SO THAT THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVING ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WE NEED FOR THIS PROJECT. AND FOR THE NEXT CYCLE TO START, WHAT IS WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT? WE WOULD HAVE TO APPLY. WE'RE NOT AN ENTITLEMENT CITY, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR THE CDBG HOUSING REHAB PROGRAM AND GO THROUGH THE COMPETITIVE BID PROCESS, AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO REVIEW OUR APPLICATION AND DETERMINE WHETHER WE QUALIFY OR NOT. WE DO HAVE A GOOD RECORD.

WE WE'VE FINISHED, YOU KNOW, TOTAL OF WE COMMITTED TO NINE HOMES. WE FINISHED SEVEN HOMES, TWO OUTSTANDING PROJECTS. WE ALSO HAVE THE CDBG HOUSING CDBG COVID GRANT. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT FOR THE PROJECT LIFT. SO WE DO HAVE A GOOD RECORD WITH FLORIDA COMMERCE AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, COMPLETING PROJECTS. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A CRA MEETING BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR? CRA MEETING IN NOVEMBER? WE DO HAVE A MEETING IN NOVEMBER. WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MEETING SCHEDULED IN DECEMBER, BUT WE DO HAVE A MEETING IN NOVEMBER. OKAY. COMING UP. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANKS. I'LL TALK TO YOU BEFORE THE MEETING. COMMISSIONER REED. YES. THANKS. PANEL, FOR THIS ONE QUESTION. IS THIS BEING

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YEAH, YEAH THAT WE'RE DOING. SO I DON'T THINK IT AFFECTS US IN THAT THAT SENSE. I JUST YOU KNOW WE CAN'T GO ON FOREVER. YEAH. AND THEN ALSO TO CLARIFY I WAS THE ONE THAT ASKED FOR STUFF LIKE THIS. IT WASN'T JUST CDBG, IT WAS ANYTHING CONTROVERSIAL. SO I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW TO GRANT EXTENSIONS WERE SIGNED PRIOR, JUST LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW THE BRIGHT LINE LEASE WAS SIGNED OVER THE WEEKEND. SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR THINGS THAT ARE CONTROVERSIAL TO BE ON THE AGENDA. SO WE WERE AWARE OF THINGS BEING SIGNED BY THE MAYOR. SO. BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN FOR APPROVAL OF COMMISSION ACTION ITEM NUMBER FIVE, RESOLUTION NUMBER 102 2025. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER REED AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? I HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. THIS IS THE ONLY MEETING. YEAH, I JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANY MORE TIME. THANKS. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE CRB YOURSELF, ALTHOUGH I'M SORRY, I'M MARK BRAKEBILL, 406 SOUTHEAST PHINNEY DRIVE, STUART, FLORIDA 34996A CHANGE. SO I GOTTA KEEP REMEMBERING THAT I, I WE WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE CRB LEVEL AND I KIND OF WANTED TO BRING IT UP HERE FOR, FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER. FIRST OF ALL YOU KNOW WE WE'RE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS CDBG PROGRAM BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT IN MANY CASES WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER IT, BUT WE HAVE ALL OF THE JUNK THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE CAPABLE OF DOING ALL OF THE STUFF THAT THEY THAT WE HAVE TO DO ASSOCIATED WITH IT, INCLUDING AT THIS AT THE LAST CITY COMMISSION MEETING, IT CAME UP THAT ONE OF THESE GRANTS, THESE ARE RESIDENTIAL GRANTS. ONE OF THESE WAS A RESIDENTIAL GRANT WHO HAD AN SBA LOAN APPROVAL IN. WELL, AN SBA LOAN CAN ONLY BE MADE TO BUSINESS, AND IT HAS TO BE OCCUPIED 51% BY BUSINESS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE BASICALLY NOW ARE THEY DO THEY NOT QUALIFY. SO THIS THING SEEMS TO BE A BIG MORASS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN. AND I THINK THE CRB WAS KIND OF THAT WAY. AND I THINK YOU GUYS MIGHT WANT TO GIVE SOME CONSIDERATION TO WHETHER THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, IN ITS CURRENT FORM MAKES SENSE FOR US. ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST THE COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MARK, I HAVE NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? NO. I'LL DEAL WITH MR. WILL'S QUESTION WHEN WE DISCUSS THE FUTURE. WELL, I THINK MR. BRECHT IS JUMPING THE GUN.

WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT EXTENDING THE EXISTING PROGRAM. WHETHER WE WANT TO GET BACK INVOLVED IS A VERY SENSIBLE CONCERN AT THIS POINT. I THINK WE ALL AGREE ABOUT THAT.

SO SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M SORRY. OKAY. GET A CHANCE TO HIT MY LIGHT. GO AHEAD. I'M JUST QUESTIONING. COMMISSIONER REED MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A BRIGHT LINE LEASE SIGNED OVER THE WEEKEND. THAT WAS OH, THIS IS AN OLD ONE. THAT WAS LAST YEAR OKAY. LAST YEAR. THANK YOU. BUT YES, IT WAS SIGNED OVER THE WEEKEND. YES, YES. THANK YOU.

OKAY. IF IT WASN'T WASN'T SIGNED BY ME OKAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER JOB. YES.

VICE MAYOR. COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLERK. YES, MAYOR. RICH. YES. COMMISSIONER. REED.

[6. THE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE REQUESTING A MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE LOCATED AT 39 SW OSCEOLA STREET (QUASIJUDICIAL)(RC): RESOLUTION No. 98-2025; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THЕ CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, TO APPROVE A MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE EXCEPTION TO GLENN AND KIMBERLY GORDON WITH GORDON ENTERPRISES STUART, LLC ALSO KNOWN AS THE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE, TENANT AT 39 SW OSCEOLA STREET; TO ALLOW A FORMULA BUSINESS TO BЕ LOCATED WITHIN THE FORMULA BUSINESS AREA AND TO WAIVE THЕ REQUIRED 300 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN FORMULA BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENTS; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

LOCATED AT 39 SOUTHWEST OSCEOLA STREET. AND COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND READ THE RESOLUTION? MR. SURE. BHAGAT. RESOLUTION NUMBER 998 DASH 2025 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, TO APPROVE A MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE EXCEPTION TO GLENN AND KIMBERLY GORDON WITH GORDON ENTERPRISES. STUART, LLC, ALSO KNOWN AS THE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE TENANT AT 39 SOUTHWEST OSCEOLA STREET, TO ALLOW A FORMULA BUSINESS TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE FORMULA BUSINESS AREA AND TO WAIVE THE REQUIRED 300 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN

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AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS NOT AN ORDINANCE. THIS IS A RESOLUTION. AND THIS WAS AN APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE. AS THE TITLE SAID, YOU YOU WILL ONLY HAVE ONE PUBLIC QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING. AND THAT'S, THAT'S TONIGHT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS WEREN'T THINKING WE'RE COMING BACK FOR A SECOND READING OR THAT WE ALREADY HAD THE FIRST READING AND YOU MISSED IT. THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO MAIN ISSUES FOR YOU TONIGHT.

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

WE'VE HAD THIS A FEW TIMES IN THE PAST, AND BECAUSE IT IS A ONE TIME READING, IT DOESN'T GO UNDER OBVIOUSLY CONSENT OR EVEN COMMISSION ACTION. IT IT GOES DIRECTLY UNDER SECOND READING THAT NOTIFIES PEOPLE THAT IT'S A FINAL DECISION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A RESOLUTION AND NOT AN ORDINANCE. IS YOUR CONCERN, COMMISSIONER CLARK, THAT IT'S IMPROPERLY ADVERTISED? IN ESSENCE, PERHAPS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL CLEAR AND THAT YOUR CLARIFICATION, WE'RE LISTING IT AS SECOND READING ON THE AGENDA SHOWS THAT IT'S A ONE TIME IT FALLS UNDER THE ONE TIME FINAL READING CATEGORY, AND THAT IT SHOULD BE OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

OKAY. DO THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DISCLOSE REGARDING THIS APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER REED I DO. I'M GOING TO TRY TO REMEMBER THEM ALL. DO YOU WANT ME TO NAME THEM? YES. YEAH. I SPOKE TO THE APPLICANTS. I SEE THEM THERE. I SPOKE TO MAX. I SPOKE TO MY BOARD MEMBER, APPOINTEE, SCOTT. I SPOKE TO MARCELLA KIMBLER. I SAID YOUR LAST NAME, RIGHT? I SPOKE TO CANDACE. I BELIEVE I MENTIONED IT, CANDACE, I DON'T THINK EVER CALLED ME BACK, THOUGH. BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT IT. I'M NOT SURE ANYONE ELSE, THOUGH I MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED IT TO AUDRA, MAYBE IN PASSING OR SOMETHING, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S.

AND I SPOKE TO LEE ABOUT IT. THAT'S ALL I CAN REMEMBER. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I DIDN'T SPEAK TO ANYONE, BUT I CERTAINLY HAD COMMUNICATION VIA EMAIL FROM THE GORDONS AND MANY PEOPLE WHO WERE GIVING THEM COMMENDATIONS. AS FOR BEING OWNERS OF FRANCHISE, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I I'VE SEEN SOME EMAILS. I SPOKE BRIEFLY WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON THIS PROJECT IN DISCUSSING THE THIS THE THE AGENDA. AND I JUST KNOW FROM THE HISTORY AND OF, YOU KNOW, FORMULA BASED THINGS AND WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S. NOT SMALL CLOSE FAMILY, FRANCHISE

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IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENT OUTLINED UNDER SECTION 11.02 .05 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ON SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2025, THE APPLICANT MAILED NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300FT OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL, WHICH PROVIDED DETAILS OF THE REQUESTED MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE PETITION AND INCLUDED THE DATE AND TIME OF THE PUBLIC HEARING MEETING. ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT POSTED ONE PUBLIC NOTICE SIGN ON THE SUBJECT PARCEL FRONTING SOUTHEAST OSCEOLA STREET ON OCTOBER 13TH, 2025. THE APPLICANT REQUESTED TO POSTPONE THE HEARING TO NOVEMBER 10TH, AND IT WAS GRANTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION. THE SUBJECT PARCEL AND PARCELS TO THE SOUTH, EAST AND WEST ARE ZONED URBAN CENTER.

THE PARCELS TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS ZONED URBAN PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT. A UPD AND THE PARCEL NORTHEAST IS ZONED URBAN WATERFRONT. THE SUBJECT PARCEL, AS WELL AS PARCELS TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST ARE ALL DESIGNATED WITH A FUTURE LAND USE OF DOWNTOWN. OUTLINED IN BLUE. ON THE MAP IS THE BOUNDARY OF THE CITY OF STUART'S FORMULA BUSINESS AREA. IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 12 OF THE CITY OF STUART'S LAND

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BUSINESS CRITERIA REFLECTED IN SECTION 2.0, 6.12 POINT C OF THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF THE BOARD APPROVES THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS WILL BE ADDED TO THE RESOLUTION. THE PROPOSED FORMULA BUSINESS WILL NOT ALTER THE IDENTITY OF THE URBAN DISTRICT IN A WAY WHICH DETRACTS FROM ITS UNIQUENESS OR CONTRIBUTES TO A NATIONWIDE TREND OF STANDARDIZED, STANDARDIZED DOWNTOWN OFFERINGS. THE PROPOSED FORMULA BUSINESS WILL CONTRIBUTE TO A DIVERSE AND APPROPRIATE BLEND OF BUSINESS IN THE URBAN DISTRICT.

THE PROPOSED FORMULA BUSINESS WILL COMPLEMENT THOSE BUSINESSES ALREADY IN THE URBAN DISTRICT AND HELP PROMOTE AND FOSTER THE LOCAL ECONOMIC BASE AS A WHOLE. THE FORMULA BUSINESS WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING SURROUNDING USES. THE PROPOSED FORMULA BUSINESS HAS BEEN DESIGNATED, DESIGNED AND WILL BE OPERATED IN A NON-OBTRUSIVE MANNER TO PRESERVE THE COMMUNITY'S CHARACTER AND AMBIANCE, AND THE PROPOSED INTENSITY OF USES ON THE SITE IS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE USES PERMITTED ON THE SITE AND AN ADJOINING SITES. THE PROPOSED FORMULA BUSINESS MEETS ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA. THE SIZE OF THE BUSINESS SHALL NOT EXCEED 1500 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA. IN THE OLD DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. THE SPACE IS APPROXIMATELY 1318FT■!S. THE FIT FLOOR STREET FRONTAGE OF THE BUSINESS SHALL NOT EXCEED 35FT IN WIDTH. IN THE OLD DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, THE STREET FRONTAGE FOR THIS LOCATION IS 24FT IN WIDTH. ARCHITECTURAL STYLE DESIGN. EXTERIOR FACADE COLORS SHALL COMPLY WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND REQUIREMENTS OF THE URBAN CODE AND CREEK DISTRICT CODE. THERE WE GO. CORPORATE STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS AND SIGNAGE WILL BE DESIGNED TO BE IN HARMONY WITH ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING AND NEIGHBORHOOD, AS APPROVED BY THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. NO DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW SHALL BE PERMITTED. THESE CONDITIONS ARE REFLECTED IN THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION. THE IMAGE SHOWN REPRESENTS THE FINAL APPEARANCE OF THE FACADE UPON COMPLETION. THE PROPOSED FORMULA BUSINESS SIGNAGE, WHICH WILL BE PROPERLY PERMITTED AND FULLY COMPLIANT WITH URBAN CODE REQUIREMENTS, WILL BE INSTALLED ON THIS FACADE. ACCORDING TO THE CITY OF STUART LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 2.0 6.12 POINT D, A FORMULA BUSINESS SHALL NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 300FT OF AN EXISTING FORMULA. BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT. THERE ARE TWO FORMULA BUSINESSES WITHIN THE 300FT OF THE LOCATION DUFFY SPORTS GRILL AND KILWINS CHOCOLATES. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER OF THE 300 FOOT DISTANCE REQUIREMENT. THE CITY OF STUART DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, UTILITIES AND ENGINEERING, FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY HAVE REVIEWED THE URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE PETITION AND RECOMMEND THE APPLICATION BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR FINAL ACTION OF APPROVAL. THE CRB BASED THEIR DECISION ON I'M SORRY AT ITS PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 7TH, 2025. THE CITY OF STUART COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD VOTED VOTED 4 TO 2 TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COMMISSION DENY THE PROPOSED FORMULA BASED BUSINESS REQUEST. FROM WHAT I RECALL, THE CRB BASED THEIR DECISION ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT ONLY FORMULA BUSINESSES WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE HIGH RENTS

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THIS IS WHERE WE SHOULD DO THE COMMUNITY PERFORMANCE. YOU'RE GOING TO DANCE DOWN. NO, NO, NO.

CAN YOU DO A CARTWHEEL? PERHAPS. OKAY, MAYBE I'LL GIVE YOU A SOMERSAULT ON THE GROUND. OKAY, LET'S SEE YOU. PRETTY CARTWHEEL APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THERE CARTWHEEL. VERY LOPSIDED.

OKAY. QUIT WHILE YOU'RE AHEAD. LIKE. YEAH. GREAT ADVICE. THANK YOU.

IS THERE A TECHNOLOGY THAT'S BAD? YEAH. WHERE'S THE CHARGER?T OPENING. IT'S IN HERE. BUT IT'S NOT BEING RECOGNIZED. YES. SO. SHOW ME ON THAT. I DO NOT HAVE RIGHTS TO INSERT. OH, LOOK AT THAT BLOCK. YEAH, BECAUSE WE DON'T USUALLY LET PEOPLE PLUG IN. LET ME EMAIL IT. IF YOU COULD LET ME SEE IF I HAVE TO GO THROUGH LIKE IT'S TOO BIG TO EMAIL. YOU PULL IT OFF. DON'T DO THAT. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO CALL A RECESS OR AN ISSUE AT THIS TIME? YEAH, OKAY. WE WILL TAKE OH, ITS KIND OF LIKE ZOOM. YES. NO, I'VE HEARD OF IT. OKAY, I'M CALLING BACK INTO ORDER. THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE STUART CITY COMMISSION FOR THE 10TH OF NOVEMBER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. INDEED. THANK YOU. SO, APPARENTLY, WE'VE SOLVED OUR AV MATTER, MR. CRUMPLER. YEAH. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE THAT I WAS JUST ABOUT TO TAKE THE VICE MAYOR UP ON THE CARTWHEEL FOR APPROVAL. IF I DIDN'T GET THAT THIS PRESENTATION LOADED. SO. SO ANYWAYS, AS I SAID HERE ANYWAY. YEAH, WHEN WE'RE DONE, MAYBE.

SO HERE ON BEHALF OF MARCELLA CAMPBELL AND ASSOCIATES AND WANTED TO GO THROUGH AND SEE HOW THIS ONE HOLDS UP. WHAT'S THE BATTERIES BE BAD IS IT. IT'S NOT I CAN I CAN CLICK

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THERE WAS A CRB HEARING, ADDITIONAL PUBLIC OUTREACH, AND OF COURSE, WHERE WE ARE TODAY IN THE HEARING FOR RESOLUTION 98 2025, THE QUESTIONS BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION, AS YOUR ATTORNEY SPELLED OUT, ARE STRAIGHTFORWARD TO ALLOW A FORMULA BUSINESS TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE FORMULA BUSINESS AREA, AND TO WAIVE THE REQUIRED 300 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN FORMULA BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENTS. SECTION 2.06. 12C, WHICH I'LL READ JUST ONCE FOR THIS IS THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC STANDARD SHALL APPLY TO THE FORMULA. BUSINESSES IN THE URBAN CENTER, URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD. URBAN, GENERAL AND URBAN. WATERFRONT. SUBDISTRICTS OF THE URBAN DISTRICT. NUMBER ONE IS THE PROPOSED FORMULA. BUSINESS WILL NOT ALTER THE IDENTITY OF THE URBAN DISTRICT IN A WAY IN WHICH DETRACTS FROM ITS UNIQUENESS, OR CONTRIBUTES TO A NATIONWIDE TREND OF STANDARDIZED DOWNTOWN OFFERINGS. AS YOU CAN SEE, STAFF AGREED WITH THAT THE PROPOSED FORMULA BUSINESS WILL CONTRIBUTE TO A DIVERSE AND APPROPRIATE BLEND OF BUSINESSES. THAT REQUIREMENT WAS MET. THE PROPOSED FORMULA BUSINESS WILL COMPLEMENT THOSE BUSINESSES ALREADY IN THE URBAN DISTRICT, AND HELP PROMOTE AND FOSTER THE LOCAL ECONOMIC BASE AS A WHOLE. AGAIN, THAT ONE WAS MET. THE PROPOSED FORMULA BUSINESS WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING AND SURROUNDING USES. ALSO MET. THE PROPOSED FORMULA BUSINESS HAS BEEN DESIGNED AND WILL BE OPERATED AN UNOBTRUSIVE MANNER TO PRESERVE THE COMMUNITY'S CHARACTER AND AMBIANCE, AND THE PROPOSED INTENSITY OF USES ON THE SITE IS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE USES PERMITTED ON THE SITE AND ON ADJOINING SITES. AGAIN, MATT. FINALLY, SOME SPECIFICS.

THE PROPOSED FORMULA BUSINESS MEETS THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA. THE SIZE SHALL NOT EXCEED 1500 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS GROSS FLOOR AREA. THE FIRST FLOOR STREET FRONTAGE OF THE BUSINESS SHALL NOT EXCEED 35FT IN WIDTH, AND THE CORPORATE ADVERTISING SHALL NOT BE USED, WHICH IS VISIBLE FROM THE EXTERIOR OF THE PREMISES. AGAIN, THOSE WERE MET. AS YOU CAN SEE. THE STAFF TO THE QUESTION OF IT SHOULD BE LOCATED WITHIN THE FORMULA BUSINESSES AREA. THEY RECOMMENDED FOR FINAL APPROVAL. AND AS FAR AS THE WAIVER FOR THE 300 FOOT SEPARATION GOES, STAFF STATED AT THE HEARING, THE APPLICANT SHOWED SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE THAT THE APPLICATION DOES NOT CREATE ANY DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS ON ADJACENT LAND USES WITHIN 300FT OF THE PROPOSED LOCATION. THE CITED EXAMPLE OF THE DUFFY SPORTS GIRL AND KILWINS CHOCOLATES. PROXIMITY. I'M GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT AND TURN THIS OVER, AND I SHOULD ALSO SAY, JUST IN ADDITION TO REPRESENTING MARCELLA, I'M HERE ALSO ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, OWNER, MAX DUCHARME, OUR COUNSEL IS AUDREY CREEK, AND ALSO KIMBERLY AND GLENN GORDON, WHO ARE GOING TO TALK SOME ABOUT SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE. WELL GOOD AFTERNOON. NICE TO MEET YOU, COMMISSIONER. MAYOR, WE'RE WE'RE GLENN AND KIMBERLY GORDON. WE ARE HERE AGAIN TO DISCUSS OUR BUSINESS. WE'VE WE'VE BEEN OWNER OPERATORS OF THE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS NOW. OUR FIRST LOCATION WAS IN TARPON SPRINGS, FLORIDA, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE A LOCATION IN MOUNT DORA, SARASOTA AND SAINT ARMANDS CIRCLE, AND ALSO IN FISHERMAN'S VILLAGE IN PUNTA GORDA. AND NOW WE ARE WANTING TO BRING ONE HERE. AND IT'S A IT'S A UNIQUE IT'S A AS YOU'LL SEE IN SOME OF THE SLIDES, IT'S UNIQUE CONCEPT. IT'S A UNIQUE BUSINESS THAT'S VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND EVERYWHERE WE'VE BEEN. AND WE'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THAT TO YOU. SO YOU HAVE TO FACE IT, FACE IT, FACE IT THAT WAY. BUT I GUESS IT'S WORKING FOR YOU. IT'S GOOD.

OKAY, WELL, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO WE ARE, GLENN. JUST, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCED US, BUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE. IT WAS FOUNDED IN 2008 BY A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS.

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WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER PART OF THE STORE BECAUSE WE HAVE HOW MANY TEAS DO WE HAVE. A LOT LIKE 70 LOOSE LEAF TEAS. SO THE GUESTS CAN COME UP TO OUR TEA BAR AND ORDER A CUP OF TEA TO GO EITHER HOT OR ICED. AND WHILE WE'RE STEEPING THE TEA, BECAUSE THE STEEPING PROCESS BASED ON THE TEA, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A WHITE TEA, IF IT'S A GREEN TEA OR OOLONG TEA OR A BLACK OR PUERH TEA, IT HAS A DIFFERENT STEEPING TIME. SO WE'RE DOING WE'RE EDUCATING BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO MAKE A GOOD CUP OF TEA. SO AS WE'RE WE'RE MAKING THE TEA, WE'RE EXPLAINING THE PROCESS OF THE LEAF. SO THE TEA COMES FROM ONE PLANT, THE CAMELLIA SINENSIS PLANT. SO WE'RE DESCRIBING THIS PLANT AND THEN WE'RE DESCRIBING THE TEA THAT THEY ACTUALLY ORDERED. AND THE, THE PROCESS THAT THAT LEAF IS GOING TO GO THROUGH TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE TEA. SO EVERY PART OF THE STORE, WE'RE CREATING AN EXPERIENCE FOR THE GUEST. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. AND WHAT WE WOULD BE BRINGING TO STUART IN A RETAIL EXPERIENCE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE THESE ARE DIFFERENT INTERIORS OF DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. AND OUR BUILD OUT TEAM, THEY COME IN AND THEY ACTUALLY PULL IN NOT ONLY THESE FEATURES, BUT ALSO SOME OF THE LOCAL FLAIR IN THE COMMUNITY. SO IT REALLY BECOMES A UNIQUE STORE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. AND IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY IT'S KIND OF A BREATH OF FRESH AIR FROM PEOPLE COMING INTO NORMAL, LIKE T SHIRT SHOP, SHELL SHOPS, ALL THESE THINGS. AND THEN THEY WALK IN OUR STORE AND THEN THEY JUST GO, OH, THIS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY BRING TO THE THE TABLE HERE. AND THEN THIS IS JUST SOME DRAWINGS OF OUR WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR TEAM DO A DRAWING SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE EVERYTHING IS GOING TO GO WITHIN THE SPACE. AND THEN. I THINK I TALKED ABOUT THAT JUST THE, THE WHAT'S THAT. THE JARS THERE. YEAH. SO THESE ARE THE JARS. THIS IS JUST WE DID HAVE A VIDEO AND WHAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE THE TIME TO SHOW THAT SINCE WE HAD THAT LITTLE DELAY THERE. BUT THE WHOLE STORE IS LINED WITH THESE JARS, AND THE GUESTS CAN OPEN THE JARS AND SMELL. THERE'S A SALES ASSOCIATE THAT, OF COURSE, IS GOING TO CREATE THE EXPERIENCE

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IT'S CREATING AND SHARING THE EXPERIENCE OF A MORE FLAVORFUL LIFE. SO THE LOCATIONS. IT'S NO SECRET WE'RE IN A FRANCHISE SYSTEM. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE, RIGHT? BUT WHERE WE'RE LOCATED, BECAUSE WE ARE SMALL BUSINESS. IT'S JUST GLEN AND I. SO WE DON'T REALLY SEE OURSELVES ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER OF THE SMALL BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN. SO I WANTED TO MAKE A POINT IN MENTIONING THAT THIS IS MY FAVORITE PART, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS COMMISSIONER CLARK. I REALLY APPRECIATED WHAT YOU YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, AND THAT WAS THE GIVING BACK PART OF THE CITY OF STUART. AND IT WARMED MY HEART TO HEAR THAT. AND I DID YOU ALL RECEIVE THE LETTERS THAT THAT I PROVIDED FROM MOUNT DORA? AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE EXTENDED THIS MEETING, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IN THE CRB MEETING WE WERE A LITTLE BIT MISUNDERSTOOD. BUT BACK TO MY POINT OF WHAT YOU WHAT YOU SHARED. WE'RE AN INTEGRAL PART OF WHERE WE'RE LOCATED, ESPECIALLY MOUNT DORA. WE JUST SHARED EXPERIENCE TEN YEARS THERE, AND THAT'S WHY I GOT THE LETTERS THAT I DID. BUT WE WE SUPPORT KIDS ON MISSION TRIPS. WE RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY OF MOUNT DORA. I JUST HAD A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER REACH OUT TO ME, AND THERE'S A ONE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT THEY'RE SENDING THE KIDS TO. I THINK IT'S AUSTRALIA THIS NEXT SUMMER, AND HE COULDN'T AFFORD TO GO, BUT HE SO THEY THEY CALLED ME AND ASKED ME WHAT I COULD. I GIVE HIM A JOB OVER THE HOLIDAYS AND WE HAVE ACTUALLY DONE THAT. SO WE'VE GIVEN HIM A JOB OVER THE HOLIDAYS TO HELP HIM RAISE MONEY SO THAT HE CAN GO WITH HIS THE REST OF HIS PEERS. WE GIVE TO THE LOCAL FOOD BANK, WE PARTNER WITH ALL THE OTHER BUSINESSES ON EVERY SINGLE EVENT THAT'S GOING ON IN MOUNT DORA. WE'RE A PART OF THE WINE WALK, WHICH IS TWICE A MONTH. I MEAN, THAT'S WHO WE ARE. YES, IT'S A FRANCHISE SYSTEM, BUT WE ARE A SMALL BUSINESS. WE OPERATE, OWN AND OPERATE OUR BUSINESS AUTONOMOUSLY FROM THEM. WE'RE NOT CONTROLLED BY THEM IN ANY WAY. WE MAKE ALL OF OUR OWN DECISIONS, AND WE INTEGRATE INTO THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES THAT WE'RE A PART OF. SO THAT'S WHAT I LOVED ABOUT WHAT YOU SHARED, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE US. AND AND WE WOULD LOOK FOR ALL OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE A PART OF GIVING BACK AND WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE IN STUART. BUT YOU ALL DID GET THE LETTERS BECAUSE I HAD A LETTER FROM NOT THAT I WANT TO COMPARE STUART TO MOUNT DORA, BUT I FELT LIKE IN THAT FIRST MEETING WE HAD TO HAVE TO GIVE YOU A PICTURE, RIGHT, OF WHO WE ARE. AND WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR TEN YEARS. AND THE LETTERS THAT I PROVIDED FOR YOU WERE FROM THE MAYOR, CURRENT MAYOR, FROM THE PREVIOUS MAYOR, FROM THE PREVIOUS MAYOR TO THAT, WHO WAS ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHAMBER FROM, I THINK, ALMOST ALL THE COMMISSIONERS FROM THE DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PUBLIC RELATIONS. AND I DID THAT BECAUSE MOUNT DORA, THE POPULATION IN MOUNT DORA IS ABOUT 18,000 PEOPLE, AND STUART'S A LITTLE OVER 20,000.

AND WE JUST ARE WE'RE JUST ONE OF THEM. LIKE, WE WE ALL JUST WORK TOGETHER AND WE WE LOVE OUR TOURISTS AND WE LOVE OUR LOCALS. AND WE ALL, YOU KNOW, JUST THRIVE. AND SO I HOPE THAT GAVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PICTURE THAN MAYBE WHAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WATCHED THE FIRST ONE OR IF YOU WERE PROVIDED INFORMATION FROM THE FIRST MEETING THAT WE WERE IN. BUT I KNOW MYSELF PERSONALLY, I WAS SO NERVOUS BECAUSE I WAS JUST SO TAKEN BACK. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO RESPOND, THAT I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T GET UP AND SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE I, I FELT LIKE WE WERE KIND OF GOT CLUMPED IN WITH SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT. AND SO I HOPE, WITH THE HELP OF SOME OTHER PEOPLE THAT CAN ARTICULATE AND HELP YOU SEE, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THIS CODE IN PLACE FOR A REASON AND WE RESPECT IT BECAUSE THAT'S WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH QUITE THIS PROCESS IN MOUNT DORA, BUT WE DID GO THROUGH THIS, BUT IT WAS TEN YEARS AGO. SO THEY DON'T ALLOW FRANCHISES THERE. BUT THEY, THEY WE WERE AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE WE'RE UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT. AND WE OFFER A VERY DIVERSE PRODUCT LINE AND EXPERIENCE THAT COMPLEMENTS THE ALL OF THE CLOTHING SHOPS DOWN THERE AND THE THE, YOU KNOW, THE RESTAURANTS AND THE KILWINS AND, YOU KNOW, IT JUST IT JUST ADDS TO YOUR COMMUNITY. IT IT FAR FROM DETRACTS FROM IT. WE WOULD BE AN INCREDIBLE ADDITION. I WENT WAY OFF SCRIPT, BUT OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

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HOW DO WE CAPTURE ITS IDENTITY? WELL, THE CITY'S LOCAL DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS DON'T REALLY PROVIDE A DEFINITION FOR IDENTITY. SO IN THE ABSENCE OF IT, WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD RELY ON THE STANDARD PRACTICE, WHICH IS AS DEFINED BY ACCEPTED INDUSTRY DEFINITIONS. THE PLANNING PROFESSION DEFINES IDENTITY OF AN URBAN DISTRICT AS ITS ITS PHYSICAL FORM, FUNCTIONS, SOCIAL FABRIC AND EXPERIENTIAL QUALITIES. THOSE ARE WHAT MAKE IT MEANINGFUL AND FOR THE REST OF THE CITY. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THOSE FOUR CATEGORIES BRIEFLY. THE PHYSICAL IDENTITY IS THE FORM AND DESIGN. THIS IS THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT. THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE, YOUR ARCHITECTURE, THE SIZE AND SCALE, THE URBAN FORM, THE QUALITY OF THE STREETSCAPES, THE SIDEWALKS, THE LIGHTING, AND OF COURSE, THE MIX OF OF FUNCTIONS. RIGHT.

IT'S RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, CIVIC. THAT'S WHAT CREATES THE ACTIVITY. WE'RE REALLY KIND OF ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT OR DOWNTOWN STUART IS LARGELY WHAT IS ITS FUNCTIONAL IDENTITY, ITS USE AND ACTIVITY. IT'S DEFINED BY ITS ITS TYPES OF ECONOMIC OR SOCIAL ACTIVITY. IT SUPPORTS.

YOU SEE, YOU SEE NOT JUST BUSINESS AND EMPLOYMENT TO SOME DEGREE, BUT YOU SEE A LOT OF CULTURE AND ENTERTAINMENT, SOME RESIDENTIAL AND SOME EDUCATIONAL CORRIDORS. THIS AGAIN, AS I AS I SHOULD HAVE POINTED OUT IN THE PREVIOUS ONE, THESE ARE PRESERVED BY THIS INCLUSION OF THIS BUSINESS. YOU HAVE THE NUMBER THREE THAT DEFINES IDENTITY AS THE SOCIAL AND CULTURAL IDENTITY OF IT. THIS IS THE HUMAN LAYER. YOU'RE 110 YEARS OLD. YOU HAVE A LOT OF OF CULTURAL HISTORY HERE, A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS THAT THAT ARE CAPTURED, THEY'RE HISTORIC CONDITION THEY WERE IN LONG AGO. SO IT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE OF IT CULTURALLY, YOU KNOW, THE INSTITUTIONS THAT MAKE IT UP. THIS IS KIND OF WHAT PLANNERS TALK ABOUT WHEN THEY SAY A SENSE OF PLACE. THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE. AND THAT IS PRESERVED IN THE ADDITION OF THE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE. FINALLY, AND I THINK THAT KIMBERLY REALLY SPOKE TO THIS, THE EXPERIENTIAL AND PERCEPTION IDENTITY. WE LIVE IN AN ERA IN WHICH YOU CAN GET VIRTUALLY EVERY PRODUCT YOU WANT WITHOUT LEAVING YOUR SOFA. THIS IS A CHALLENGE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO GET YOU TO GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSE AND GO PLACES, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT BY SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE, BECAUSE SHE DESCRIBED THEY DO THESE INTERACTION WITH VISITORS AND GUESTS JUST BY OPENING UP THE AROMAS THAT ARE GOING TO WAFT OUT OF THIS PLACE ARE GOING TO BE INVITING. THERE ISN'T ANYTHING LIKE IT DOWNTOWN. AND THE FACT THAT YOU CAN LEARN HOW TO MAYBE DO SOME RECIPES OR SOME BLENDS OR MIXES, THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WANT. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS IN ESSENCE, THE BRAND IDENTITY THAT YOUR COMMUNITY IS CONSTANTLY TRYING TO PROMOTE, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH MAIN STREET OR THROUGH YOUR CRA AND YOUR COLLECTIVE EFFORTS THAT IS PRESERVED. I WOULD I WOULD POSITION TO YOU THAT THAT IS ENHANCED BY THIS ADDITION AT THE CRB HEARING ON THE ON OCTOBER 7TH, THERE WAS A LOT OF FEEDBACK AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING. THE MEMBERS THERE WERE POSITIVE ABOUT IT IN SO MANY WAYS, EVEN THOUGH THAT MAY NOT SEEM TO BE REFLECTED AT FIRST BLUSH. IN THE FINAL VOTE, WHICH WILL SPEAK TO IN A SECOND, THEY DID SAY THEY WOULD USE THE BUSINESS. IT WAS A GREAT MIX.

THEY ACKNOWLEDGED. IT DOESN'T COMPETE. THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT WAS COMPLIMENTARY. THEY LIKED THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE HIRING LOCAL PEOPLE AND ALSO POSITIONS WITH UPWARD MOBILITY, AND THAT THEY'RE ALREADY IN HISTORIC DOWNTOWNS. IN FACT, THAT'S WHERE THEY PREFER TO GO.

AND THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING ONE. SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE HAS ALREADY BEEN HERE BEFORE. IT WAS HERE FOR SOME TIME. I'LL SHOW YOU SOME EVIDENCE OF THAT IN A MOMENT,

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SO A LOT OF THE VETTING TAKES PLACE ON THE FRONT END. THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT BIG CORPORATE CONGLOMERATES COMING IN. I THINK WE WOULD ALL AGREE NO ONE WANTS TO SEE A MCDONALD'S DOWNTOWN. WHAT'S INTERESTING, AND IT'S NOT EXACTLY ANALOGOUS, BUT FORT PIERCE HAS A HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, AND THEY OPENED THERE FOR 20 YEARS. THEY'VE HAD THE SAME CODE. THEY'RE OPEN TO THE CORPORATE BUSINESSES. THEY HAVE A DUNKIN DONUTS. THAT HAS NOT LED TO A CORPORATE ONSLAUGHT COMING, AND THEIR CODE ALLOWS IT. THEY DON'T EVEN TRY TO KEEP IT OUT. THIS IS THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS INTERESTING. AND I CAN CERTAINLY I DID SOME I DID I WENT DOOR TO DOOR TO ALL THE BUSINESSES AND TALK TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS I POSSIBLY COULD, AND I GOT SOME FEEDBACK, BUT THAT WAS THIS ONE. THE THIRD POINT, THE SECOND ONE FROM THE BOTTOM UP, RENTS GOING UP, WAS REFLECTED AMONG THE CONVERSATION IN THE CRB MEMBERS.

NOTHING TO TAKE LIGHTLY. WE'RE ALL LIVING IN TIMES WHERE THINGS ARE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.

YEAH, GAS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE AFFORDABLE, BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I GET TWO BAGS FROM PUBLIX AND IT WAS LIKE 60 BUCKS. SO WE'RE NOT SEEING THE INFLATIONARY RELIEF WE HAD HOPED TO SEE BY THIS TIME. BUT AND THAT'S THE REALITY WHEN THAT'S WHEN THIS IS HOW YOU FEED YOUR FAMILY. AND I DON'T WANT TO GLOSS OVER THAT. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE, TOO, THAT THAT'S NOT A PART OF THE CRITERIA THAT YOU'RE TO CONSIDER HERE TODAY. THE ROLE OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A LANDLORD AND HIS OR HER TENANT IS NOT THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT.

ALSO, IT GETS LOST IN THE CONVERSATION. IS THERE A NUMEROUS FACTORS ON THIS? SOME OF THEM ARE THE COST OF COMMERCIAL INSURANCE, SOME OF ARE THE YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING UP DRASTICALLY. SO I MEAN, THERE ARE MANY FACTORS THAT ARE LEADING INTO WHY RENTS ARE INCREASING. SOME OF IT IS DEMAND, BUT SOME OF IT ALSO IS THE COST ON LANDLORDS THEMSELVES. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, JUST TO USE SOMETHING FROM THE HEADLINES, WE LIVE IN A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE COMMUNITY THAT IS REPRESENTED BY CONSERVATIVE POLITICAL, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC OFFICERS. THIS IS NOT A COUNTRY WHERE THE GOVERNMENT IS DETERMINED BY WHAT'S POPULAR, WHERE YOU CAN GET INSIDE OF THE RELATIONSHIP THAT EXISTS BETWEEN PRIVATE ENTERPRISE.

THAT'S YOU GUYS SET THE TABLE AND THEN ALLOW BUSINESS TO SERVE ITS CITIZENS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY APPRECIATE ABOUT IT. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S REALLY IMPRESSIVE THAT THE FORMULA EXCLUDED ANYTHING LIKE THIS WHEN IT WAS FIRST ENVISIONED. THERE IT IS. THIS IS A STUART NEWS AD FROM 2009. IF YOU CAN READ WHAT THEY USED TO CALL THE FOLIO THERE ON THE CORNER.

APRIL 13TH, 2009 A COPY OF LUMINARIES. THERE WAS AN EVENT PUT ON FOR DOWNTOWN STUART STROLL. EVEN BACK THEN, TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND EXPERIENCE DOWNTOWN. YOU LOOK AT THOSE BUSINESSES, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THEM THAT ARE STILL AROUND TODAY AND DOING WELL, INCLUDING KILWINS. YOU SEE APRIL DAYS, GUMBO LIMBO AND THE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE. SO IT WAS HERE ONCE BEFORE, NOT THE SAME OWNERS. AND THE OWNER THAT LEFT WAS WENT TO THE SOUTHWEST TO BE WITH HER FAMILY FOR A FAMILY REASONS. SO IT WASN'T DUE TO BUSINESS UNFORTUNATELY.

UNFORTUNATELY SOME PEOPLE SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF STANDARDIZED OFFERINGS THAT YOU WANT TO BE UNIQUE OFFERINGS, NOT JUST THINGS THAT YOU COULD BUY ANYWHERE. YOU KIND OF COME FOR THE EXPERIENCE, OBVIOUSLY. AND THE BEAUTY OF DOWNTOWN, ALL OF THESE THINGS, NEARLY 600 BRANDS RIGHT THERE THAT ARE AVAILABLE DOWNTOWN, THEY'RE ALSO AVAILABLE PRETTY BROADLY IN A LOT OF PLACES. SO WHAT'S NOTEWORTHY IS THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF SURVEYS TAKEN OF WHAT WE WANT TO SEE DOWNTOWN, AND SOME OF THEM GO BACK A LONG WAY, BUT I'VE KIND OF PULLED FROM THE ONES FROM 2018 ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH 2025. SOME ARE FROM STUART MAIN STREET, OTHERS FROM FROM THE CRA. AND THEY THESE ARE KIND OF LIKE THE TOP LINE THINGS THAT CAME OUT TO SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS. OBVIOUSLY PRESERVING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER, WALKABILITY AND PEDESTRIAN SPACE FOR BIKE SAFETY, ENHANCING THE PUBLIC REALM, MAINTAINING AND IMPROVING THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THE LAST ONE, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF THAT. AND ALSO ATTRACTING BUSINESSES THAT SUPPORT VISITOR SPENDING. I REALLY FEEL LIKE WHETHER YOU COME TO BUY YOUR TEA FROM SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE OR YOU COME TO ENJOY TEA WHILE YOUR SPOUSE IS SHOPPING, IT CREATES AN EXPERIENCE THAT KEEPS YOU DOWN THERE. WE HAD A COUPLE WELL KNOWN FOLKS WHO WEIGHED IN SUPPORT. MANY OF YOU KNOW RON. YOU KNOW, HE HE YOU CAN YOU GOT RECEIVED HIS LETTER. SO I'M NOT GOING TO READ IT TO YOU. BUT HE WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AND SAW ITS VALUE. THE SAME IS TRUE FOR PATTY O'CONNELL, WHO ALSO, YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL KNOW HER FROM

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IT'S FIRST FLOOR STREET FOOTAGE AND NO VISIBLE CORPORATE ADVERTISING. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. YOU HAVE YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF AND HOW THEY OUTLINED IT AND THEIR KEY POINTS THEY BROUGHT UP. IT PRESERVES THE DISTRICT'S UNIQUE IDENTITY AND CHARACTER, ENHANCES DIVERSITY AND COMPLEMENTS EXISTING BUSINESSES, FITS WITH SURROUNDING USES AND LOCAL AMBIANCE. OPERATES UNOBTRUSIVELY. NO STREET SOLICITATION. IT'S LIMITED TO ONLY 1318FT■!S AND A 24 FOOT FRONTAGE. OBVIOUSLY, THOSE ARE BELOW THE THRESHOLD. THERE'S NO DRIVE THROUGH OR ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR SIGNAGE, NO VISIBLE CORPORATE ADS. THE FACADE AND SIGNAGE MUST FOLLOW THE URBAN CODE AND USE MUTED COLORS, AND IT MUST HARMONIZE WITH THE BUILDING ARCHITECTURE. YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT'S WHY THEY WERE ABLE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. BEFORE WE OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS, I JUST WANTED TO ALLOW THE PROPERTY OWNER, MAX DUCHARME. HE WANTED TO SAY A COUPLE WORDS AS WELL. I'M MAX DUCHARME, I'M THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING. I'M THE ONE WHO'S PAYING FOR IKE AND AUDRA, NOT THE GORDONS. I THINK THEY'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF ADDRESSING THE STANDARDS OF THE ORDINANCE. I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK AS THE LANDLORD AND SOMEONE WHO'S INVESTED IN THE DOWNTOWN. THE LAW AS DESIGNED IS PERFECT. IT'S PERFECT BECAUSE IT GIVES THE COMMISSIONERS THE ABILITY TO DECIDE EACH CASE ON ITS OWN MERITS. THAT'S EXACTLY HOW IT SHOULD WORK. THE GORDONS ARE EXACTLY THE TYPE OF SMALL BUSINESS THIS LAW WAS DESIGNED TO PROTECT. THIS IS THE TYPE OF SMALL BUSINESS THAT STUART NEEDS AND WANTS. THAT'S EXACTLY THE REASON THIS USE WAS APPROVED. BEFORE I REPEAT, THE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DOWNTOWN WITH ANOTHER OPERATOR BY ANOTHER CITY COMMISSION. AGAIN, WE'RE ARGUING OVER NOTHING HERE.

THIS WAS APPROVED BEFORE, AND IT'S A TECHNICALITY THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN AND IT ISN'T GRANDFATHERED IN. NOW, I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY THAT IF WE APPROVE THIS TENANT, WE'LL HAVE TO APPROVE DUNKIN DONUTS, BUT THAT'S A LONG TERM. WHAT IF. AND IN CHASING THAT HYPOTHETICAL RISK, WE ARE CREATING A VERY REAL SHORT TERM PROBLEM. WE RISK TURNING AWAY A TENANT WHO STRENGTHENS DOWNTOWN AND REPLACING THEM WITH ONE WHO CHEAPENS IT. THESE PEOPLE, THOSE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT AGAINST SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN YEARS FROM NOW, WHILE ACTUALLY HURTING THE DOWNTOWN THAT EXISTS TODAY. AND THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH IS THAT LONG TERM RISK IS NO DIFFERENT. WHETHER THIS IS APPROVED OR NOT, NOTHING STOPS DUNKIN DONUTS FROM APPLYING TOMORROW. THAT PRECEDENT ALREADY EXISTS. IT DOESN'T CHANGE ONE BIT AT THE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE IS APPROVED. THE FACT THAT IT'S A FRANCHISE DOESN'T MAKE THEM A BIG CORPORATION. IT JUST GIVES THEM A FORMULA TO FOLLOW, A PLAYBOOK THAT HELPS SMALL OPERATORS SURVIVE IN A VERY DIFFICULT RETAIL ENVIRONMENT. THEY DON'T GET HELP PAYING RENT.

IN FACT, IT'S THE OPPOSITE. THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE RIGHT TO FOLLOW THE FORMULA. IT'S THE SAME WAY KILWINS OPERATES. NO ONE'S THINKING. NO ONE THINKS OF BILTMORE AS A BIG BUSINESS.

HE'S THE BEST BUSINESS DOWNTOWN HAS. HE IS THE ANCHOR TENANT. WE SHOULD WANT MORE. BILL MOORE'S AND THE GORDONS ARE THE NEXT BEST THING. FROM THE LANDLORD'S PERSPECTIVE. I WANT TO MAKE A VERY CLEAR POINT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS. WE DIDN'T PICK THE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE BECAUSE THEY OFFERED THE HIGHEST RENT. WE CHOSE THEM BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THEY'LL DRIVE FOOT TRAFFIC TO OUR OTHER STORES. I HAVE SIX OTHER TENANTS AND THIS IS THE SMALLEST UNIT IN OUR BUILDING. THIS WASN'T ABOUT A FEW EXTRA DOLLARS OF RENT. THIS WAS ABOUT EVERYONE'S SHARED SUCCESS. THAT'S THE EXACT REASON THAT OUR TENANTS ARE HERE TODAY. AND THEY SENT THOSE LETTERS. THEY UNDERSTAND THIS. THIS ISN'T LANDLORD VERSUS TENANT. WE'RE PARTNERS. THE ONLY WAY I SUCCEED IS IF MY TENANTS SUCCEED. AGAIN, THIS WASN'T ABOUT RENT. IT'S ABOUT HELPING THE SALES OF MY OTHER TENANTS. YOU'VE HEARD THE SAYING A RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL SHIPS. THAT'S HOW I APPROACH BUSINESS. SO LET ME BE BLUNT WITH EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM. IF IT'S NOT THE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE, IT WILL BE SOMEONE ELSE, AND THEY'LL PAY MORE IN RENT THAN THE GORDONS ARE SCHEDULED TO. IN FACT, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE OTHER PROSPECTS WHO'VE OFFERED TO PAY MORE, BUT THOSE HIGHER PAYING TENANTS WOULD NOT BE

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THERE'S TWO AND YOU WORK YOUR WAY DOWN THE COAST. THERE'S NOT A LOT ON THE EAST COAST. DOWN THIS WAY. YOU HAVE A NEW STORE. DELRAY BEACH IS OPENING SOON, AND WEST PALM BEACH HAS BEEN OPEN FOR A WHILE. BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. THERE YOU HAVE NAPLES GOING UP THE WEST COAST.

YOU HAVE OUR OUR TWO STORES ON THE WEST COAST, FISHERMAN'S VILLAGE AND ALSO SARASOTA AND HISTORIC, SOME OF THOSE. YEAH. I MEAN, AS FAR AS HISTORIC, I MEAN, ALL OF OURS ARE IN HISTORIC LOCATIONS IN FLORIDA, FISHERMAN'S VILLAGE, MOUNT DORA. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW CIRCLES BEEN THERE A LONG TIME? YES. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY OF THESE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGES ARE IN FLORIDA? I WOULD SAY AT LEAST 10 TO 12 ARE IN FLORIDA, LIKE 96 TOTAL. YEAH, IN THE US THEY'RE NATIONWIDE. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IF YOU LOOK ON THE WEBSITE, IT'S GOING TO BE MOSTLY IN HISTORIC OR DOWNTOWN MARKETS WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE WALKING AND SHOPPING.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE OUT WHERE PUBLIX AND ALL THESE STRIP MALLS ARE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN A SMALLER COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE NEED WE NEED PEOPLE COMING FOR THE DAY TO SPEND THE DAY OR THE WEEKEND IN THESE COMMUNITIES. AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY DRIVES OUR BUSINESS AND THESE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOWN HERE. THEY THEY THRIVE ON PEOPLE WALKING BY THEIR DOOR. I MEAN PEOPLE I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE CERTAIN STORES THAT PEOPLE WILL GET UP AND SAY, HEY, WE SHOULD GO DOWN AND LOOK FOR THIS ITEM, BUT OUR STORE PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING UP IN THE MORNING, HEY, I NEED SPICES OR I NEED TEAS. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SOME LOCALS THAT DO THAT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR TEN YEARS NOW, BUT PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING BY OUR STORE, THEY SEE OUR DOOR OPEN, THEY SMELL IT, AND THEY SAID, OH, WE SHOULD GO IN HERE. AND THEN WE CREATE A NEW, NEW GUEST AT THAT TIME. SO DOES IT. DOES IT SEEM LIKE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGES ARE IT'S A GROWING MARKET LIKE MORE OF THESE LOCATIONS ARE GOING IN IT. IT WAS GROWING FOR A WHILE. IT'S ACTUALLY SLOWED DOWN FOR A WHILE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A THERE'S A BIG PUSH LIKE THESE OTHER FRANCHISES. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS OF LOCATIONS IN THE NEXT TEN, 15 YEARS. I'M THINKING THEY MAY DOUBLE IN THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS THERE. THE QUANTITY ACROSS THE COUNTRY, JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO PICK WHERE A STORE IS GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT TAKES THE TIME. AND THEN IF YOU FIND A GOOD LOCATION LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE HAD TO WAIT LIKE FISHERMAN'S VILLAGE, WE WAITED THREE YEARS TO GET IN THERE BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT WAS A GOOD LOCATION, LIKE SAINT ARMAND'S CIRCLE. WE HAD THE HURRICANE LAST YEAR, SO THERE'S SOME AVAILABILITY NOW, BUT BEFORE THAT YOU COULDN'T GET IN DOWN THERE. YOU COULDN'T GET IN BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTED TO BE THERE. SMALL BUSINESSES WANTED TO BE THERE. SO IT'S REALLY JUST, HEY, IF I'M GOING TO INVEST THIS KIND OF MONEY INTO OPEN A BUSINESS, I WANT TO BE IN A SUCCESSFUL LOCATION THAT WE'VE WE'VE LEARNED THAT OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS. THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS, BECAUSE IF IT WAS THERE IN 2009 AGAIN. SO YEAH, THAT WASN'T THE I KNOW IT WAS OH EIGHT HAPPENED. SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT. WELL THAT THAT WAS A FAMILY REASON THAT MOTIVATED THEM TO THE, THE PREVIOUS OWNER. NO I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS YOU GUYS. I'M JUST SAYING GENERALLY THIS TYPE OF A BUSINESS DOWNTOWN, IF IT DIDN'T DO WELL IN OH NINE. JUST A THOUGHT. THERE'S NO COMMENT ON HOW THEY PERFORMED ECONOMICALLY. IT WAS A FAMILY REASON AS TO WHY SHE MOVED TO THE SOUTHWEST. BUT GENERALLY THESE ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND YOU WOULD SAY THEY'RE TRENDING UP. WE'RE SEEING MORE OF THESE.

SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT THEY'RE TRENDY? THIS IS NO, NO, THAT'S REALLY NOT THE LAST. IS THE TEA.

SPICES AND SPICES AND HERBS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS. RIGHT. IT WAS THE TRADING. IT WAS MONEY RIGHT BACK IN THE DAY. SO THOSE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE AROUND. AND WE JUST OFFER A

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BUT THAT IS ALSO NOT ONE OF OUR CRITERIA FOR MAKING THAT POINT WITH IT BEING THERE. NO, NO, NO I UNDERSTAND. YES. SO IT THE REASON WHY THAT WAS BROUGHT UP I BELIEVE AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT IS TO SHOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN CONSIDERED COMPATIBLE, HAS BEEN CONSIDERED A PART OF THE IDENTITY, HAS BEEN CONSIDERED A PART OF THE CRITERIA, AND HAVE MET THAT CRITERIA AT SOME POINT. NOW, DO WE KNOW? ABSOLUTELY IF THAT TEA OR SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS YOU'RE SEEING TODAY? I CANNOT TELL YOU THAT, AND I CANNOT ASSURE YOU OF THAT BECAUSE THE PROCESS HAS CHANGED OVER TIME. BUT IT MOST LIKELY WENT THROUGH SOME LEVEL OF PROCESS BECAUSE IT WAS AFTER THAT 2005 DATE, WE DON'T KNOW.

SO ACTUALLY, YEAH, MAX JUST INFORMED ME THAT STEPHEN VITALE WAS THE LANDLORD OF THE PREVIOUS SITE AND THEY DID GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, ACCORDING TO STEPHEN. SO DO WE HAVE I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THIS CONVERSATION. I WOULD SAY, IF THAT PRECEDENT IS THERE. WELL, THEY EXISTED, RIGHT. SO WE DO KNOW THAT. SO THAT WELL, IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT AS FAR AS THE CRITERIA, IT'S BEEN HELD BY A PRIOR COMMISSION TO MEET THE CRITERIA, AT LEAST AS FAR AS IDENTITY, AS FAR AS COMPATIBILITY, AS FAR AS NOT DETRACTING, AS FAR AS MEETING THE ITEMS THAT YOU, THE CITY COMMISSION, ARE TASKED TO REVIEW THIS UNDER. SO IT HAS BEEN FOUND AT LEAST AT ONE POINT IN 2009, BASED OFF OF THE NEW INFORMATION, TO HAVE MET THAT CRITERIA. NOW YOU, AS ALWAYS VIA THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS, YOU HAVE CONTROL AND ABILITY TO REEVALUATE. HOWEVER, NOTHING HAS CHANGED EXCEPT THE OPERATOR AND I THINK TO THE POINT OF, YOU KNOW, I WAS TRYING TO GET AT THE TRENDINESS OF IT BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, ITEM NUMBER ONE IN CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. THAT AND TO SOME EXTENT, THIS IS SUBJECTIVE. THERE'S NO TANGIBLE METRIC ON NUMBER ONE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT CAN'T DETRACT FROM THE UNIQUENESS OR CONTRIBUTE TO A NATIONWIDE TREND OF STANDARDIZED DOWNTOWN OFFERINGS. AND IF WE ARE SEEING MORE OF THESE HAPPENING, I THINK YOU COULD MAKE A CASE THAT THAT THAT IT MIGHT BE THAT, BUT THAT, THAT I THINK THAT'S ONE POINT.

[02:10:05]

IN TERMS OF NUMBER ONE. RIGHT. IS THIS GOING TO ALTER THE IDENTITY OF THE URBAN DISTRICT AND ITS UNIQUENESS? YOU HAVE A METRIC IN 300FT. YOU YOU DON'T HAVE A METRIC IN NUMBER ONE ON ITS OWN. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT HAVING FORMULA BUSINESSES WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THAT IF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, THAT THAT 300FT IS WHERE WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE WE'RE GETTING TIGHT HERE NOW, WE'RE STARTING TO LOSE OUR UNIQUENESS WOULD BE MY POINT.

NOT I GET I GET YOUR POINT THAT IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WAIVE IF WE REALLY LIKE THESE GUYS. AND LISTEN, I DON'T MEAN TO COME OFF OVERLY CRITICAL WITH YOU. I'M JUST HANGING ON. I HAVE WEIGHED THIS, THIS MORE. I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MAX. I'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON THIS PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYTHING RECENTLY. AUDREY, YOU HEARD ME AT THE MEETING. I MEAN, I WAS GOING BACK AND FORTH. I'M JUST HAMMERING THE POINTS RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE BEEN STICKING POINTS FOR ME. YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING. YOUR BUSINESS IS AWESOME. MY WIFE WILL SPEND WAY TOO MUCH MONEY AT IT. I KNOW HOW GREAT THIS WOULD BE FOR DOWNTOWN IN TERMS OF A SMALL BUSINESS, BUT MY CONCERN IS THE UNIQUENESS OF DOWNTOWN AND IT TO THE POINT I WAS GOING TO MAKE. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE JOB OF THIS COMMISSION OR THE CRB TO GET INTO THE FINANCIALS OF RENT SPECIFICALLY AND TRY TO SET MARKET RATES, YOU KNOW, AND THIS KIND OF A THING. BUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING THIS BODY TO DO IS EFFECTIVELY OPEN A NEW MARKET TO, TO TO GIVE THAT LANDLORD NEW OPTIONS AT WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO RENT THERE. SO I THINK YOU COULD MAKE YOUR POINT IN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD NOT BE DICTATING BETWEEN LANDLORD AND TENANT, BUT ALSO THIS DECISION. AND IT'S NOT FOR ME THE THE REASONS WHY I WOULD MAKE A DECISION HERE. BUT BUT TO SORT OF COUNTER AND MAYBE NOT COUNTER ADD MORE NUANCE TO YOUR POINT. EITHER WAY, IT SORT OF IT DOES AFFECT THE MARKET BECAUSE WE ARE OPENING UP A NEW MARKET BY ALLOWING A, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TIGHTENING THE RANGE OF WHO CAN BE THERE. WE ARE MAKING AN EXCEPTION THAT ALLOWS ANYBODY TO BE THERE, WHICH IS WHICH IS A MUCH LARGER DEMOGRAPHIC. I THINK THERE'S TWO SEPARATE, TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU. SURE. ONE OF IT, IT DOES IT MEET THE

[02:15:06]

CAN YOU PULL BACK THE PRESENTATION OF MINE FOR JUST ONE SECOND, PLEASE, MICHEL BUT I MEAN, THAT'S A I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE AGENDA ITEM AS LAID OUT BY YOUR STAFF.

SO RIGHT HERE, THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU PULLED EXACTLY FROM THE RESOLUTION. NO CHANGE TO THE LANGUAGE WHATSOEVER. ONE TO ALLOW FORMULA BUSINESS TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE FORMULA BUSINESS AREA. SO ASCERTAINING THAT DEPENDS ON THE SIX DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE OF THAT WE WENT THROUGH EARLIER. THE NEXT ONE IS TO WAIVE THE REQUIRED 30 FOOT, 300 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN FORMULA. CAN I INTERRUPT YOU THAT. OF COURSE THAT SENTENCE IS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING. NUMBER ONE THE FIRST ONE, WE'RE ALLOWING A FORMULA BUSINESS IN AN AREA THAT EXCLUDES FORMULA BUSINESSES. I MEAN, WE GOT A FORMULA BUSINESS AREA THAT WOULD BE THE GREATER CITY. BUT THIS IS THE ONE AREA OF THE CITY WHERE WE EXCLUDE FORMULA BUSINESS. SO DO WE NEED WE CAN PULL UP THE AGENDA ITSELF BECAUSE THIS IS EXACTLY AS IT WAS WRITTEN. IT'S NOT MY PHRASEOLOGY, JUST A LITTLE CONFUSING. JUST MAYBE FOR THE RECORD, WE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT THAT PART. JODY'S PERFECT. HOW DARE YOU? I MEAN, SHE IS, BUT IT'S OKAY. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, FIRST, IT DIDN'T PROHIBIT IT. WHAT IT SAYS IS IT CAN COME IN WITH APPROVAL. SO IT'S NOT A PROHIBITION. IT IS. WE REQUIRE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF CONTROL. WE REQUIRE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING IN THERE BEFORE YOU CAN. BUT THE 300FT JUST JUST TO GET BACK TO IT. YES. SO YOU STILL YOU CAN CHOOSE TO ALLOW THIS EXCEPTION OF THE 300FT AND DECIDE AGAINST IT IN THE FUTURE, AT ANY TIME WITH ANYBODY, ANYBODY. SO TO SAY THAT YOU ARE CREATING A PRECEDENT BY ALLOWING, YOU KNOW, BY STILL INSISTING ON THE 300FT, EVEN THOUGH, LIKE YOU SAID, THE CONCEPT IS WONDERFUL, EVEN THOUGH LIKE YOU SAID, YOU TRULY BELIEVE THIS WILL BE AN ADDITION THAT BRINGS LIFE EVEN MORE LIFE TO DOWNTOWN. YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO REINSTATE OTHER CONDITIONS, BUT ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CONTINUE AT ANOTHER EARLY, LATER POINT WITH ANOTHER APPLICANT. IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO REINSTATE THAT WITH NO PUSHBACK BECAUSE THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. CAN I MAKE A POINT? OF COURSE. SO. TO THAT POINT, RIGHT, I, I GET THE I GET THE CONCEPT OF YOU'RE WAIVING THE 300 FOOT RULE BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A GREAT BUSINESS, BUT THE SAME KIND OF THING COULD HAVE HAPPENED WITH MANY OTHER UNITS DOWNTOWN THAT FIT THE CRITERIA OTHERWISE, RIGHT? I MEAN, HYPOTHETICALLY, WE COULD EVEN WAIVE THE 1500 SQUARE FOOT THING IN A CONDITIONAL USE, AND GOOGLE COULD BE STARBUCKS. ANY OF THOSE PERFECT LITTLE CHARMING DOWNTOWN. TRULY MOM AND POP. NO OFFENSE, YOU GUYS ARE GREAT, BUT IT COULD COULD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, BLACK MARLIN COULD HAVE BEEN A SLIGHTLY OFF FRANCHISE. IT'S NOT CARRABBA'S, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN. WHERE DO YOU WHERE DO YOU DRAW THAT LINE OF DEMARCATION? AND, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I, I HEAR YOU, MAX. ON IF IT'S NOT THESE GUYS, IT'S GOING TO BE THE, YOU KNOW, MIAMI T-SHIRT SHOPS AND GIRLS ON THE SIDEWALK AND BIKINIS. BUT THAT THAT FEELS LIKE TERRORISM TO ME WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT TO ME. AND IT JUST CREATES A VIVID PICTURE. THAT'S ALL. WE. YEAH. YES. COLORFUL. HE'S GOT A VERY COLORFUL, FERTILE DRAWS. THE PICTURE OF IT. THAT'S DEFINITELY OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO PROTECT AND DO DOWNTOWN. BUT BUT THIS IS THIS IS WHAT I'LL END WITH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THESE ARE JUST KIND OF SHARING MY THOUGHTS ON IT IS I APPRECIATE THAT IF IF WE CONTINUE TO DO THIS KIND OF A THING, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE AND MORE CHAINS WITHIN 300FT DOWNTOWN.

AND I LOVE THE NATURE OF THAT OF YOUR BUSINESS. BUT I, I DO FEAR THAT THAT WOULD BE THE FUTURE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS. BUT FOR ME, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS GOING FORWARD THAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN TO THIS DOWNTOWN. THIS IS A REALLY COOL BUSINESS, BUT IT IS TRENDY. IT'S HAPPENING IN A LOT OF COASTAL DOWNTOWNS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DOUBLE OVER THE AND I WANT DOWNTOWN STUART TO BE DIFFERENT. AND MY HOPE IS THAT

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THAT'S REALITY. DECENT ODDS THOUGH, SO KIND OF YOU NOT TO SAY IT EXACTLY. EXACTLY. BUT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT'S ALL FOR ME. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COMMISSIONER REED WAS NEXT. OH, YEAH. ME. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THE INTENT OF THE FORMULA BUSINESS WAS PARTICULARLY TOWARDS THE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE. I THINK MOST OF US HAVE MORAL COMPASSES THAT WOULDN'T WANT STARBUCKS HERE. MCDONALD'S AND THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. MY OPINION IS. LET THE CONSUMERS DECIDE. I MEAN, IF THFE SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGE ISN'T GOING TO MAKE IT DOWNTOWN, STEWART'S GOING TO LET THEM KNOW THEY WON'T PATRONIZE THEM.

BUT THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON IT. AND AS FAR AS THE 300 SQUARE FOOT SEPARATION, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE INTENT TO LIMIT IT. AS FAR AS OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE NEVER EVEN

[02:25:06]

YEAH, I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE LIKE IF THERE'S ONLY FIVE ALLOWED IN DOWNTOWN AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. LIKE A HARD NUMBER OF ACTUALLY FORMULA BASED BUSINESSES, EVEN IF THEY DID GET EXCEPTIONS IN THE CODE. AND I THINK THAT WOULD FURTHER PROTECT DOWNTOWN STEWART THEN, IF THAT'S WHAT OUR CONCERN IS. BUT I SAY LET THE CONSUMERS DECIDE. I APPRECIATE THAT MARKET THAT, YOU KNOW, MARKET FRIENDLY ATTITUDE TO JUST A QUICK THING. ANOTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT EXPERIMENTED WITH SOME PRETTY RESTRICTIVE STUFF AND DOES IN FACT EXPERIMENT WITH RESTRICTED STUFF. WAS LAKE WORTH YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT LAKE WORTH? THEY'VE GOT SOME INTERESTING IDEAS OF HOW FAR GOVERNANCE CAN GO, AND THEY TRIED TO PREVENT ANYBODY EVEN REMOTELY IN THIS REALM FROM COMING IN. IT DIDN'T WORK. IT HURT THEIR DOWNTOWN.

THEY HAD TO WALK IT BACK QUITE A BIT. SO YOU CAN MEAN, WELL, AN OVERREACH. AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S CERTAINLY THERE HAVE BEEN A GOOD CAUTIONARY TALE, NOT ON A LOT OF FRONTS.

IF YOU DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH COMMISSIONER JOB. YES. MY QUESTION IS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE THIS CODE AND WE A ONE TIME EXCEPTION DOES NOT NEGATE THE CODE. I MEAN, WE'RE MAKING A ONE TIME EXCEPTION. WOULD THAT NOT BE TRUE? CORRECT? I MEAN, THAT'S WHY IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE. IF YOU MAKE A ONE TIME EXCEPTION DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO. THE FLOODGATES DON'T OPEN. YOU GOT TO LET EVERYBODY IN. THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS. RIGHT. SO THIS COMMISSION OR ANOTHER COMMISSION, I THINK THAT EVERYONE IN THE ROOM AND EVERYONE ON THIS DAIS WANT DOWNTOWN STUART TO REMAIN UNIQUE AS IT IS. BUT I I'VE BEEN TO THE SPICE AND TEA STORES AND I THINK THEY ARE UNIQUE. I THINK THAT THEY WOULD BRING ANOTHER ELEMENT OF PEOPLE INTO DOWNTOWN. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FEW RESTRICTIONS, AND I'VE SPOKEN TO THE CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, WHICH THEY'RE NOT ADVERSE TO WHAT I HAD ASKED. AND BUT I THINK THAT'S MY ONLY THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CLERK. HI. THANK YOU. I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE TALKED TO STAFF BEFORE, BUT I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THE HISTORY. BUT I DEFINITELY KNOW THAT WHEN WE HAD THE GO FISH CLOTHING THAT CAME INTO THE AREA, THE SAME KIND OF DISCUSSION CAME UP. AND BECAUSE OF SO MANY UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE MARKETING AND THE HOW THEY PROCURE THEIR GOODS AND HOW THEY DO THINGS AND THE PURPOSE IN WHICH THEY DO IT, ESPECIALLY THE COMMUNITY ORIENTED PURPOSE. ALL THOSE THINGS WERE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AT THE TIME WHEN WE HAD GOLDFISH COME IN HERE. I THINK THEIR CLOSEST STORE WAS IN MELBOURNE OR SOMETHING, BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY DO, BASICALLY FOR THE WORLD, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THEM HERE IN STUART AND THEY WERE APPROVED TO BE A PART OF THE, THE, THE HISTORIC AREA. SO YES, WE DO HAVE UNIQUE NAMES. IT'S NOT STARBUCKS, IT'S NOT MCDONALD'S. BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE CRITERIA AND THE ABILITY TO VET THEM AND AGREE WITH WHO WE LET INTO THAT AREA. AND I THINK THAT THIS WILL BE AN ADVANTAGEOUS BUSINESS FOR DOWNTOWN AND FOR THE FLAVOR AND THE AMBIANCE OF WHAT WE WANT AND HAVE AND TRY TO CREATE AND KEEP IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? DOES THE PETITIONER WISH TO OFFER ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BEFORE CONCLUDING ITS PRESENTATION? COMMISSIONER REED YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION. WHAT WHAT RESTRICTIONS, I GUESS.

CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE RESTRICTIONS, COMMISSIONER? YES. MR. CHAIRMAN. OR RESTRICTIONS? WELL, WHEN I SPOKE TO CORPORATE, THE THE RESTRICTION WAS THAT THAT WOULD THERE WOULD NOT BE THE NOT ONLY JUST THE GORDON'S BUT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANOTHER SPICE AND TEA FRANCHISE OPENED UP IN STUART. THAT'S ONE THING HAVING IT DOWNTOWN BUT THE GORDON'S WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO.

AND ANOTHER FRANCHISE PERSON GOING TO SPICE AND TEA WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO OPEN UP IN THE STUART STUART HISTORIC AREA. NO IN STUART OKAY. SO YOU'RE IN THE CITY CITYWIDE. YEAH.

CITYWIDE CAN NOT OPEN IT. IT WOULD BE UNIQUE TO DOWNTOWN. IT WOULD BE IF YOU WANTED THAT PRODUCT YOU'D HAVE TO GO DOWNTOWN TO BUY IT. WE ALLOWED COMMISSIONER JOB CONCLUDING REMARKS. BEFORE YOU ANSWER A QUESTION, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT. OKAY. AND THIS MIGHT BE FOR THE APPLICANTS THAT RESTRICTION OF NOT ALLOWING ANY IN STUART. WHAT'S THE FRANCHISE? HOW FAR AWAY DOES EACH FRANCHISE HAVE TO BE FROM THE NEXT FOR. HOW? I SPOKE TO TATUM

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SOMEONE ELSE. CORRECT? YEAH. THAT'S BASICALLY HELPING. RIGHT. THE APPLICANT BECAUSE THEY ARE INDEPENDENTLY OWNED. THAT'S WHY I WAS CURIOUS AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT THE FRANCHISE THEY WON'T ALLOW YOU WITHIN, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY LIMITATIONS. SO THEY DON'T PROTECT THEIR LIMITATION ON THAT CERTAIN NUMBER OF MY HEAD. BUT LET ME COME TO THE MICROPHONE FIRST, RIGHT. TO SAY NO AND THE FRANCHISE WOULD NOT. CAN YOU COME TO THE MIC PLEASE.

CAN YOU PLEASE CAN YOU COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE? I FIGURED THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW IT, BUT THAT RESTRICTION WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO YOU GUYS. SO TO US. SO YEAH. SO THE BUSINESS THE FRANCHISE WOULD NOT ALLOW US ANOTHER STORE TO COME INTO THE CITY, JUST LIKE YOU WOULDN'T COME TO MOUNT DORA AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A STORE FIVE MILES UP THE ROAD.

WE'RE THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO DO THAT. AND THEY PROTECT YOU. THEY WANT TO PROTECT US AND THEY WANT TO PROTECT THE BRAND. THEY WANT, THEY WANT, THEY WANT TO. THEY DON'T WANT TWO STORES WITHIN A CERTAIN AREA COMPETING WITH EACH OTHER. AND THEN THEN THEY HAVE TWO STORES THAT ARE NOT WANT YOU TO SUCCEED, AND THEY WANT ONE STORE THAT'S GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN THAT AREA. SO THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER, I'M GOING TO LET YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING YOUR YOUR COMMENT. OKAY. GO AHEAD. EVEN THOUGH THE FRANCHISE ALLOWS IT, I MEAN, IN FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS, THE FRANCHISE COULD CHANGE THEIR CODE OF WHAT THEY ALLOW AND WHAT THEY DON'T. THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE IT, THE RESTRICTION TO BE AT THE CITY LEVEL. SO THAT WOULD BE PROTECTING THE DOWNTOWN. HISTORIC DOWNTOWN WOULD HAVE THE ONLY SPICE AND TEA IN THE CITY OF STUART. WE LIKE THE UNIQUE FACTOR BEING PRESERVED. APPRECIATE THAT.

YOUR OUTREACH TO CORPORATE. PERHAPS YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION AND MAKE SURE IT INCLUDES THAT. COMMISSIONER. YES. WHEN THE MOTION. OKAY. COMMISSIONER CLARK, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MR. BAGGOTT, REGARDING THAT RESTRICTION? DO YOU TELESCOPE MY QUESTION? NO, NO, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER JOBS. YEAH. PLEASE GO AHEAD FIRST. SO THE FRANCHISE IS NOT AN APPLICANT HERE, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T BIND THE APPLICANT. YOU CAN BIND THE APPLICANT FROM OPENING UP A SECOND FRANCHISE, A SECOND STORE WITHIN THE CITY. BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN BIND THE FRANCHISE OR SOMEONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO OPEN UP A TEA AND SPICE IN THE CITY. IT JUST. THEY'RE NOT HERE. YOU'RE NOT BINDING. IT'S. IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT ORDERS BETWEEN THEIR COMPANY AND THEMSELVES AND THE CITY. AND IF THEY MET CODE, I CAN'T THEY. AND I THANK YOU. I MEAN, I SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME RESTRICTIONS AS DOWNTOWN. YEAH. THAT THAT ON WHAT GROUNDS WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU PREVENT ANOTHER APPLICANT, NOT EVEN AN APPLICANT, A BUSINESS OWNER OF SPICE AND TEA, A FRANCHISEE FROM BUILDING IF THEY MET CODE OR OPENING UP IF THEY MET CODE? WELL, AS I SAID, THE CORPORATE THE CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS HAD NO THEY THEY WERE FINE WITH PUTTING THAT RESTRICTION IN. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE ACTUALLY SAYING THAT IF YOU DID THAT THEN THEY WOULDN'T EVEN OFFER A FRANCHISE TO ANYONE IN THE AREA OUTSIDE OF OR WITHIN THE CITY OF STUART. BUT IT COULDN'T HAPPEN AT THE CITY LEVEL, I THINK, IS LEE'S POINT THAT SOMETHING CORPORATE MIGHT BE INTERESTING? I THINK COMMISSIONER CLARK CONTINUED TO ASK HER QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS. I SAY LET THE LET THE CORPORATE CONTROL THEIR OWN THING WITH THEIR OWN PEOPLE. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THEIR BUSINESS MODEL TO MAKE SUCCESSFUL SPICE AND TEA EXCHANGES. BUT WITH REGARD TO US DICTATING THINGS HAPPENING IN THE COUNTY OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, OR OR OR OUTSIDE OF THIS FORMULA DISTRICT OR DOWNTOWN, I JUST SAY LET THEY'LL DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. I THINK WE'RE FINE. LEE'S ANSWER IS CORRECT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DOES THE PETITIONER WISH TO OFFER ANY ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE? OR INFORMATION? THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO COME TO THE. YEAH, SORRY, JUST ONE MORE THING, BECAUSE MY HUSBAND MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE FRANCHISE DOUBLING, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IF THIS IF WE MOVE FORWARD AND OPEN IN STUART, WE WILL BE THE ONLY SPICE AND TEA THAT HAS OPENED THE ENTIRE YEAR. THAT GIVES YOU A PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THE FRANCHISE, LIKE GROWING OR DOUBLING OR WHATEVER. SO HE WAS OPTIMISTIC. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THE PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE HAS ENDED AND THE HEARING IS CLOSED. MR. CRUMPLER, YOU MAY RETURN TO YOUR SEAT.

DOES ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO MAKE A COMMENT? DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? I DO, I HAVE MARK BRAKEBILL. IT'S THE TRIFECTA THIS EVENING. MR. BRAKEBILL I DON'T USUALLY

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SO THANKS, GUYS. THANK YOU. LILLIAN PETERSON. I AM LILLIAN PETERSON. I HAVE TWO STORES HERE IN DOWNTOWN STUART ARGENTO JEWELRY AND ANA CAPRI. WE HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 2002, AND WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES HAPPEN HERE ON THE STREET. WHEN WE FIRST CAME, THERE WERE A LOT OF EMPTY SPOTS. THEY DID GET FILLED. SOME COME AND GO AND WE DID SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME SUCCEED AND SOME NOT. BUT I FEEL THAT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS WE HAD A LOT OF STORES THAT REALLY STAYED. AND THEN NOW WE HAVE SOME EMPTY STORES AND IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD FOR DOWNTOWN.

AND I THINK THAT THE TEA AND SPICE EXCHANGE IS A GOOD FIT, A REALLY GOOD FIT FOR DOWNTOWN.

YOU KNOW, THEY OFFER SOMETHING DIFFERENT. THEY OFFER, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE THEY DO CLASSES IN THERE. THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY TEACH THEY YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO BRING THEIR FAMILY DOWN AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, I WAS DOWNTOWN LAST WEEK AND THEY THERE'S THIS COOL SPICE AND TEA SHOP. IT'S NOT JUST TEA. THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY RUB SPICES ON LIKE THE MEATS AND THEY TEACH YOU HOW TO DO THINGS AND THEY JUST THEY DO IT RIGHT. AND THE OTHER TEA PLACE THAT WAS HERE, CHRIS, THE SPICE EXCHANGE, I WAS IN IT MANY TIMES. I KNEW ONE OF THE GIRLS THAT WORKED THERE. IT DIDN'T WORK BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. THEY DIDN'T PUT ALL OF THE STUFF OUT ON THE WALL CORRECTLY. THEY WENT IN AND THEY HAD JUST LIKE BROWN SHELVES AND WHITE WALLS. AND THEY THESE PEOPLE, YOU SEE THEIR VIDEOS, THEY DO IT RIGHT. THEY DO IT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE. YOU GO IN AND IT'S EXPERIENCE. THEY HAD A SMALLER SPOT THERE. THEY THE TEA AND SPICE AND THEN THEY ENLARGED IT A LITTLE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT GOT A LITTLE DIFFICULT. AND, AND THEY WERE IN THE SPOT WHERE GO WHERE MONKEYS IS. AND IT'S NOT RIGHT ON THE STRIP WHERE, WHERE THEY ARE, WHERE WE ARE.

IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IT REALLY DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD DOUBLE THE RENT NOW AND THEN. THEY HAD SOME FAMILY PROBLEMS. AND YOU KNOW, IT JUST IT DIDN'T WORK.

BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PRODUCT WASN'T GOOD PRODUCT. IT WAS IT'S A GREAT PRODUCT. AND PEOPLE TODAY, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND THEY, YOU KNOW, CAN BE LOOK AT LOOK AT THIS I GOT THEY DIDN'T BRING IT THIS TIME. BUT LAST TIME THEY WERE HERE THEY BROUGHT IN THEIR THEIR LITTLE SAMPLES AND THEY PASS IT AROUND. YOU COULD SMELL IT ALL. AND IT WAS IT WAS NICE. IT WAS I WAS LIKE, OH, THIS IS LIKE BEING ON THE SHARK TANK. THESE GUYS ARE TRYING TO SELL THIS. AND IT'S LIKE, WOW, THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. SO I WAS HOPING THEN THAT WE COULD HAVE THEM COME BECAUSE THEY REALLY ARE GOING TO BRING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AND WE NEED TO GET THIS DOWNTOWN. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME EMPTY SPOTS AND THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE, TWO STORES NOW THAT I KNOW OF NOW THAT ARE GOING TO BE LEAVING IF WE HAVE FIVE, YOU KNOW, EMPTY STOREFRONTS, PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO WANT TO COME DOWN HERE.

WE NEED TO MAKE THEM WANT TO COME TO DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE A UNIQUE PLACE IN IT, YOU KNOW, JUST KEEPS CHANGING. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE AN ASSET THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE OPEN, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT HOURS, YOU'LL BE OPEN A LITTLE LATER, THEY'RE GOING TO BE OPEN ON WEEKENDS. AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEY'RE GOING TO TEACH. THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HELP CORRECTLY. AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE YOU'RE GOING TO COME AND YOUR WIFE'S GOING TO COME AND YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, WHY? WHY DIDN'T WE DO THIS SOONER? YOU ALLOW YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE THEM TO COME SOONER AND THEY WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR DOWNTOWN. THEY WILL MAKE A REALLY GOOD DIFFERENCE. THANK YOU. GAIL. GOLDIE. OKAY. WE'LL TALK AFTERWARDS. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS. GAIL GOLDIE 1153 NORTHWEST 12TH TERRACE. AND STUART I JUST WANT TO SAY I THINK THAT THIS STORE, THIS TEA AND SPICE IS A BEAUTIFUL IDEA.

IT'S MERCHANDISE BEAUTIFULLY. BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY I'VE BEEN IN ALL 50 STATES AND HUNDREDS OF DOWNTOWNS. AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT USING LOSING THE UNIQUENESS OF OUR DOWNTOWN WHEN YOU GET INTO FRANCHISES. I REMEMBER BACK IN THE 80S WHEN I WAS IN SAN DIEGO AND THERE WERE SUBWAYS WERE POPPING UP ALL OVER IN SAN DIEGO, AND SO WE'RE STARBUCKS.

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AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE FOR THE FUTURE OF OPENING ANY OTHERS AFTER THIS.

AND REGARDING MOUNT DORA, MOUNT DORA DOES NOT ALLOW FRANCHISES. HOWEVER, THERE'S A FRANCHISE THERE AND I JUST AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT CONTINUING TO HAPPEN. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, CLAY SHEARER. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. CLAY SHOWER 200 SOUTH EAST FOUR WINDS DRIVE. STUART, I COME TO YOU THIS MORNING. AS YOU KNOW I'M A MEMBER OF THE CRB. BUT IT'S NOT MORNING, MR. SHEARER. OH, SORRY. GOOD EVENING. I MEAN, OUR MEETINGS ARE LONG. THEY'RE NOT THAT LONG. YEAH, IT DOES FEEL LIKE IT SOMETIMES, BUT THE. I COME TO YOU AS AS JUST A SIMPLE LITTLE GUY RESIDENT, NOT A MEMBER OF THE CRB. I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THE CRB MEETING, SO I WAS NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION. BUT I'VE JUST I'VE ONLY MY ONLY BACKGROUND ON THIS IS IS LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION HERE AT THIS HEARING TONIGHT. AND I THINK IT'S BEEN VERY INTERESTING AND I PART OF IT IS YOUR ROLE IS TO INTERPRET THE INTENT. OH, THAT'S TRICKY, THE INTENT OF THE CODE AND THE RULE AND SO ON. RIGHT. SO I WOULD JUST OFFER THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RULES AROUND THE REGULATIONS AROUND FORMULA BUSINESSES IN DOWNTOWN. I THINK WE CAN WE CAN WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THAT EXISTS AND WHAT THE INTENT OF THE FOLKS WHO PUT THE RULE IN PLACE. THE EXAMPLES OF. STARBUCKS OR MCDONALD'S AND SO ON. THOSE ARE PRETTY CLEAR. AS COMMISSIONER REED MENTIONED, THIS ONE APPEARS QUITE DIFFERENT. AND ACTUALLY, YOU'VE HEARD QUITE A BIT ABOUT FOLKS WHO LIKE THE OFFER OF THE OF THE OF THE RETAILER. THEY WOULD ENJOY IT. YOU DON'T HEAR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ABOUT THE OTHER SORT OF FRANCHISES THAT THE RULES WERE INTENDED TO PREVENT. SO FROM, FROM MY STANDPOINT, I THINK YOU'RE IN A TRICKY SPOT.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION. BUT FOR THE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO INTERPRET THE INTENT, I THINK ACTUALLY FOR THIS ONE, THIS APPLICANT IS PRETTY CLEAR. JUST BECAUSE IT'S THERE'S MULTIPLE LOCATIONS, JUST BECAUSE IT'S AN OWNER HAS MULTIPLE LOCATIONS OR IT'S A CORPORATE ENTITY, THAT'S WHAT'S MEETING THAT THAT FORMULA DEFINITION, I GUESS. BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE INTENT OF THE OF THE SHOP AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE OFFERED AND WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S IT'S ALL CLEAR, RIGHT? IT'S EXACTLY THE KIND OF OFFERING THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD ENJOY. IT JUST SO HAPPENS TO BE PART OF A LARGER CORPORATE ENTITY. SO I THINK YOUR ROLE IS TO INTERPRET THE INTENT AT THIS POINT. SOMETHING ELSE I'D MENTIONED TWO OTHER POINTS. SO I DON'T FORGET, I THINK THERE IS STILL CONFUSION. AND I WOULD ASK EITHER THE THE CITY ATTORNEY OR MAYBE THE CITY STAFF CAN CAN CLARIFY. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND THE 300FT. THERE IS CONFUSION IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW OVER WHAT THE INTENT OF THAT IS, OR 300FT. WHAT WHAT FROM WHAT, 300FT? SO THE WAY I READ THE CODE AND AS I HEARD THE PRESENTATION, THE INTENT WAS TO PREVENT FOLKS WITHIN WITHIN 300FT OF DOWNTOWN, THERE'S ALREADY TWO THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. SO TWO, TWO FORMULA BUSINESSES. SO THAT'S IT'S OFF THE TABLE AT THIS POINT, WHETHER IT'S TWO FEET CLOSE OR 50FT OR 100 DOESN'T MATTER. THEY ARE WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN. SO IT SORT OF TAKES THAT OFF THE TABLE IN MY VIEW.

THE OTHER POINT I'LL MAKE AND THEN I'LL BE QUIET IS THE IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE INTENT AGAIN, I DON'T YOU YOU GUYS MIGHT SEE IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S TWO EXISTING BUSINESSES THAT WE REFER TO, DUFFY'S OR KILWINS. I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE DESTROYED

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WE ALSO. IT WOULD ALSO LIKE DRAW VISITORS DOWNTOWN AND HELP PRESERVE LIKE PRESERVE THE QUALITIES THAT STILL MAKE DOWNTOWN STUART SPECIAL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS. MAYOR. EXCUSE ME, I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS. OKAY, THE PARTIES DO YOU WISH TO PROVIDE ANY CLOSING REMARKS? THE APPLICANT? NO. OKAY. THEN I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION. MR. MAYOR, WITH REGARD TO I, JUST ONE QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. OKAY? WE'LL DO IT IN THE CONTEXT OF A MOTION AS THE WHAT THE WORDING OF THE MOTION IS TO MAKE A MOTION. BUT DID YOU. OKAY, I WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION. IS IT OKAY? OKAY. GO AHEAD OKAY OKAY. DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF YOU PUT A ONE TIME EXCEPTION BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THE EXCEPTION IS TO GLEN AND KIMBERLY GORDON, THE THE GORDON ENTERPRISES. DOES IT MATTER WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THE MOTION IF YOU SAY IT'S A ONE TIME EXCEPTION, JUST TO REITERATE THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING A CLEAR REMOVAL OF THESE EXCEPTIONS, WE'RE STATING THE EXCEPTIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR TO THIS PERSON. RIGHT? I THINK YOU'RE STATING THAT PUBLICLY NOW. AND IT'S IN THE RECORD.

IT'S ALWAYS US. SO THAT WHY NO. BUT DOES IT NEED CAN DO I NEED TO PUT IT IN THE MOTION OR DOES IT MATTER. THAT'S I GUESS THAT'S IT'S IMPLICIT IN THE. YEAH OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS THAT CORRECT? MR. IT'S IMPLICIT. IT'S IT'S EXPLICIT NOW. ALL RIGHT. SO THE CONDITIONAL USE.

YES, IT IS CONDITIONAL EVERY TIME. SO I THINK THAT THIS IS NOT UNLOCKING THE FLOODGATES PER SE. ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO BRING IN A FORMULA BUSINESS IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. OKAY. SO THEN IT'S NOT EASY MATTER. IT'S FOR EACH EACH APPLICATION. AND AT SOME POINT, IF YOU DECIDE TO WAIVE THE 300FT IT YOU EITHER TAKE A STAND TODAY AND SAY NO MORE OR IT'S THE NEXT ONE. OR AT SOME POINT THE BOARD'S GOING TO SAY, OKAY, NO MORE. YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S TONIGHT OR OR ON ANOTHER APPLICANT THAT COMES IN. SO THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFICATION. SO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. AND BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK IF WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE SAYING IS THAT THEY MAY WANT TO TALK OR WORKSHOP CRITERIA FOR CONDITIONAL USE CHANGE WITHIN THE FORMULA BASED AREA FOR DOWNTOWN, AND I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER SUBJECT FOR ANOTHER AREA. BUT WHENEVER THIS KIND OF THING COMES UP, THE ONLY REASON WHY IT'S IN FRONT OF US IS BECAUSE IT'S AS TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION AND AS TO HOW WE WANT TO INTERPRET IT AND WORK WITH THE INTENT.

AND I THINK KILWINS HAS BEEN UP HERE AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FEET AND INCHES AND WHATNOT, AND WE KNOW WHAT'S DOWN THERE AND WHAT THE COMPLEMENTARITY IS OF WHAT THE BUSINESS ARE, AND THAT'S HOW WE LOOK AT THINGS. BUT IF WE NEED TO WORKSHOP SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND MAKE ANY CHANGES, I THINK COMMISSIONER READ MENTIONED THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS NOT TALKED ABOUT DURING THE ZIP. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THINGS ANYTIME, ANY DAY AND COME UP WITH IT. I'M GOING TO COME UP WITH A MOTION WITH REGARD WITH REGARD TO RESOLUTION. WHEN WE SPEND SO MUCH TIME TALKING ABOUT, WELL, I WON'T SAY, I WON'T SAY SHAKE SHAKESPEARE AT ALL, I WON'T MENTION SHAKESPEARE STARTS WITH MUCH ABOUT SOMETHING.

RESOLUTION NUMBER 98 2025 AS PRESENTED BY STAFF. THE WORDING AS SHOWN WITH THE SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION, I MOVE APPROVAL AS TO GLENN AND KIMBERLY GORDON WITH GORDON ENTERPRISES STEWART LLC, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK

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YES, COMMISSIONER. CLARK. YES, VICE MAYOR. COLLINS. NO. MAYOR. RICH. YES. MOTION PASSES.

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