[*This meeting is joined in progress*] [COMMENTS BY BOARD MEMBERS (Non-Agenda Items)] [00:00:09] COMMISSIONER. READ. IN THIS HOLIDAY WEEK, WE'LL START WITH YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I DON'T, NOT TONIGHT. ONLY A DESIRE THAT WORK ABATE TO SOME DEGREE. APPARENTLY. OKAY, COMMISSIONER. JOB. I'M SAVING MY COMMENTS FOR THE COMMISSION MEETING. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CLARK. NOTHING RIGHT NOW, MR. VICE MAYOR. I REACHED OUT TO PANEL EARLIER FOR AS MUCH, BUT I WAS LOOKING TO SEE IF SHE COULD PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH GUY DAVIS AND THE SKATE PARK. SURE. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE HEADS UP. SO THERE WERE THREE PENDING ITEMS SINCE WE LAST MET IN JULY OF THIS YEAR. WE WERE COORDINATING WITH FPNL. WE WERE FINISHING UP THE STORMWATER REPORT AND FINALIZING THE SKATE PARK DESIGN. SO JUST LAST WEEK, WE RECEIVED THE REDESIGNED PLANS FROM FROM FPNL FOR THE RELOCATION OF THE POLES. OUR CONSULTANT IS REVIEWING THAT RIGHT NOW, AND AS SOON AS THAT'S APPROVED, WE'LL ISSUE PERMIT TO FPNL TO GO AHEAD AND START RELOCATING THOSE POLES. THAT WILL HAPPEN PRIOR TO US GOING IN TO DO OUR CONSTRUCTION. SO THAT'S MOVING FORWARD. THE DRAINAGE REPORT WAS JUST SUBMITTED TO SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT EARLIER THIS MONTH. SO THE BEST CASE SCENARIO IS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE COMMENTS FROM THEM BY DECEMBER 7TH. THAT'S THE DATE WE SAW IN THE PORTAL, AND WE'LL RESPOND TO THEM BY END OF DECEMBER. AND WE HOPE TO HAVE THE PERMIT ISSUED BY BY END OF JANUARY. THAT'S IF WE DON'T RUN INTO ANY ISSUES WITH THE HOLIDAYS. BUT IF WE DO, THEN WE EXPECT TO HAVE COMMENTS AND RESPONSES COMPLETED AND AND PERMIT ISSUED BY END OF FEBRUARY OR EARLY MARCH. SO THAT'S ALSO MOVING FORWARD. SPAWN RANCH DESIGNED. WE DID GIVE THEM A GO AHEAD AFTER OUR CRA MEETING TO START PREPARING THE PLANS. THEY WERE WAITING FOR US TO FINALIZE OUR STORMWATER REPORT JUST IN CASE. IF THEY NEED TO MODIFY ANY DESIGN. SO WE EXPECT TO HAVE THEIR PROGRESS PLANS BY END OF DECEMBER, AND THEY'RE SIGNED AND SEALED PLANS BY JANUARY. SO AS YOU CAN TELL, EVERYTHING IS KIND OF ALIGNING TO JANUARY FEBRUARY. SO AS SOON AS WE HAVE ALL THAT APPROVAL AND PERMITS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT OUR PERMITS TO OUR DEVELOPMENT, OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT, TO HAVE THEM REVIEW THE PLANS. AND THEY HAVE BEEN REVIEWING THE PLANS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. BUT IN ORDER TO ISSUE THE PERMIT, WE HAVE TO FORMALLY SUBMIT THE PLANS THROUGH THE PORTAL AND HAVE THOSE PERMITS ISSUED SO THAT WE CAN GO OUT FOR CONSTRUCTION. WE WILL ADVERTISE BIDS SOMETIMES AS SOON AS WE HAVE THE THE PERMIT, THE BUILDING PERMITS BY HOPEFULLY BY END OF MAY. THIS IS AGAIN JUST WORST CASE SCENARIO. IF EVERYTHING GOES IN LINE WITH REVIEWS. THEN WE HOPE TO START CONSTRUCTION BY LATE SUMMER EARLY FALL. THANK YOU. WELCOME. GOVERNMENT MOVES SLOWLY. COMMISSIONER CLARK. OH. WHERE ARE YOU GOING? TO ASK MR. BURKE. OR JUST THE COMMISSIONER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FINE. NOW, SINCE I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THIS ISSUE, IT WASN'T A GOOD REGARDING THAT ISSUE, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT SINCE I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WHEN IT CAME TO COMMISSIONER BOARD COMMENTS. WANTED ME TO COME BACK TO YOU. YES. YOU CAN COME BACK TO ME. OKAY. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REMARKS? YES, SIR. OKAY. COMMISSIONER CLARK. OH, YOU'RE BACK THAT QUICK. SO SINCE THIS IS A CRA MEETING, MY QUESTION IS FOR MR. BAGGETT, IS YOU OR WE WON'T HAVE ANY CRA. WE'LL HAVE A CRA MEETING IN DECEMBER. NO. YEAH, WE HAVE A CRA MEETING. NO, NO, WE DON'T HAVE A CRA MEETING IN DECEMBER. JUST THE CRB, WHICH WAS CANCELED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN WHEN DO WE WOULD WE EXPECT TO HAVE DO WE NEED IT TO COME BACK TO THE MEETING OR JUST HAVE SOMETHING DONE ON THE HAMILTON PROPERTY WITH REGARD TO SUBMITTING THINGS BACK TO THE STATE, SINCE THIS IS WE'RE I THINK IT'S A CRA PROJECT. WE WE STILL LEAD BAGGETT FOR THE RECORD. CITY ATTORNEY WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FINALIZE THE SCOPE OF WORK. SO FRIDAY, AT THE VERY END OF THE DAY, WE'VE GOT A RESPONSE FROM THE HAMILTON'S ON OUR LAST PROPOSED SCOPE OF WORK. AND I'M SUPPOSED TO SCHEDULE A TIME TO MEET WITH CITY STAFF TO GO OVER THEIR ACTUAL REVISIONS AND COMMENTS THAT THEY HAD MADE MOST RECENT. WE DID NOT HAVE TIME TO DO THAT TODAY AND BE IN A SHORT WEEK. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'LL GET ACCOMPLISHED THIS WEEK, BUT AT [00:05:04] THE LATEST IT'LL BE NEXT WEEK, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO RESPOND TO THE HAMILTON'S AGAIN. AND CAN YOU BOTH YOU AND I'LL RECAP FOR ME THE THE TIMELINE THAT IF THEY DO SOMETHING AND IT GOES TO THE DEO AND SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS OR DOESN'T HAPPEN, WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENS? CAN YOU JUST RECAP THAT WE HAVE TO FINALIZE THE SCOPE OF WORK. THAT'S THE WORK THAT WILL BE DONE, THAT WILL GO OUT FOR BID THE CONTRACTOR SO THAT THEY CAN BID ON IT BEFORE IT GOES OUT FOR BID. ONCE WE AGREE TO A SCOPE OF WORK AND BEFORE IT GOES OUT TO BID, WE MUST PRESENT IT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE FOR THEIR APPROVAL. AND THEN ALSO ON THE HISTORICAL ESTATES HISTORICAL OFFICE. SO WE HAVE AND THAT I'D SAY 1530 DAYS FOR EACH OF THOSE. THAT'S PROBABLY A ROUGH ESTIMATE. WE CAN TRY TO EXPEDITE IT. SO HOPEFULLY BY END OF JANUARY. BUT WE REALLY NEED TO COME TO A CONCLUSION WITH THE SCOPE BY EARLY JANUARY IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT, BECAUSE WE REQUESTED SIX MONTHS EXTENSION. I THINK THAT BRINGS US TO ABOUT AUGUST. SO WE REALLY NEED TO NAIL DOWN THE SCOPE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. IT'S BEEN GETTING NARROWED. THE SCOPE OF WORK, THE ISSUES THAT THE CITY HAS IN THE HAMPTONS HAVE. DO WE NEED TO INSTRUCT YOU FURTHER? NOT AT THE MOMENT. IF WE COME TO AN IMPASSE AND WE CAN'T AGREE TO CERTAIN TERMS, WE MIGHT HAVE TO BRING IT BACK BEFORE YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LEE. DO YOU HAVE. NO. THAT'S IT. COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON. NO. OH, OKAY. BOARD MEMBER JAMES, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO. BOARD MEMBER BROOKVILLE. I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT RELATIVE TO THE ISSUE THAT CAME UP WITH THE FORMULA BUSINESS AND AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE ONE OF THOSE. I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS SOME WORK. I THINK WE NEED LEGAL COUNSEL, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING MORE DEFINITIVE, OR MAYBE NOT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE GUIDANCE TO STAFF AS TO WHAT WOULD QUALIFY AND WHAT WOULDN'T QUALIFY, BECAUSE IT'S IT PUTS EVERYBODY IN A REALLY TOUGH SPOT. AND AND IT PROBABLY PUTS THE CITY IN A TOUGH SPOT DOWN THE ROAD. IF, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY ELSE COMES IN THAT'S GOT SIMILAR CHARACTERISTICS, BUT MAYBE NOT THE SAME ATTRIBUTES THAT WE WANT AND WE DON'T DEFINE WHAT THOSE ARE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STUCK WITH WHOEVER COMES IN. SO I JUST LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, SEE THE COMMISSION MAYBE PUT A LITTLE EMPHASIS ON TRYING TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE OBJECTIVE IN TERMS OF HOW TO APPROACH THOSE. OKAY. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR OKAY, COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HAVING GUIDELINES OR I GUESS I'M JUST MISSING WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. OH YEAH. THANK YOU. THERE'S THERE'S 14 I THINK DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE LAID OUT AND SOME OF THOSE ARE VERY CLEAR. BUT THE ONE THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO COME INTO PLAY THE MOST IS DOES THIS WILL THIS HAVE. SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE DOWNTOWN. AND THAT'S REALLY BROAD I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD LOOK AT IT AS VERY NARROW. IS IT A PRODUCT THAT COMPETES WITH ANOTHER STORE. AND OR IS IT YOU KNOW THESE GUYS ARE BIGGER AND STRONGER AND HAVE MORE SOURCES OF INCOME SO THEY CAN AFFORD TO PAY THE RENTS DOWNTOWN, WHERE OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO. SO IT'S THAT CONCEPT THAT I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT EMPTY STOREFRONTS, BUT BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE WE SET PRECEDENT FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, THAT COMES IN. AND AND WE MAY NOT WANT THEM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS A PRETTY LARGE YOU KNOW, THERE WERE PRETTY LARGE COMPANY HAD 92, YOU KNOW, 92 LOCATIONS AROUND THE UNITED STATES. AND THE APPLICANT HAD 3 OR 4 OF THEIR OWN. SO WHEN SUBWAY OR TROPICAL SMOOTHIE OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT THAT WORKS UNDER THE SAME TYPE OF SCENARIO COMES IN, DO WE TURN THEM DOWN? HOW DO WE TURN THEM DOWN? YOU KNOW, OR I THINK IT LEFT A LOT OF DISCRETION TO TO DISCUSS IT AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS. YES, I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE LARGE AND THEY'RE ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, BUT THERE ARE NONE IN THIS AREA. CAN'T SAY THE SAME FOR TROPICAL SMOOTHIE AND SUBWAY. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HIT MOST CORNERS IN STUART BETWEEN HERE AND PALM CITY OR WHEREVER AND HIT A FEW. YEAH THAT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THIS ENTITY AND I DON'T I AND I DON'T I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT WASN'T A GOOD DECISION TO LET THEM IN. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S NOT IT AT ALL. I'M JUST SAYING LET'S TAKE THE SCENARIO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT IF WHAT IF THEY HAD HAD TWO OTHER LOCATIONS DOWNTOWN OR ANOTHER [00:10:03] LOCATION, YOU KNOW, WOULD WE STILL APPROVE THEM? NO, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT'S LEFT TO THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSIONERS WHO COULD SAY, NO, I'M SORRY. FIRST OF ALL, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD TWO ALREADY DOWNTOWN. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE. TWO OTHER COMMISSION BOARDS WOULD HAVE APPROVED IT. SO I THINK IT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING TOO. IT LEAVES IT UP TO THE DISCRETION AND THAT'S GOOD TO SOME DEGREE. BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. I THINK LEE WOULD PROBABLY SAY IT'S PROBABLY VERY DIFFICULT TO DEFEND WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEBODY WALKS IN WITH SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES AND YOU JUST DON'T HAPPEN TO LIKE HOW BIG THEY ARE OR WHERE THEY'RE AT, YOU KNOW, AND AND I JUST, I DON'T I JUST THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT PUTS THE STAFF IN A TOUGH POSITION. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY KNOW HOW TO TURN SOMEBODY DOWN. WE HAVEN'T TURNED SOMEBODY DOWN FOR A LONG TIME EVER. I DON'T THINK WE HAD THE SAME FRANCHISE DOWNTOWN BEFORE. I MEAN, THEY COULD HAVE SAID THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED. BUT YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS. RIGHT. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S SO THAT'S WHY I BRING IT UP. I, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING PROBABLY THE COMMISSION MIGHT, BUT I THINK IT'S CRA NEEDS TO LOOK AT IT AS, AS IF THERE'S SOME CHANGES THAT SHOULD BE MADE. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD PLACE TO START IS WITH THE CRA. RIGHT. COMMISSIONER REED YEAH. FOR CLARIFICATION, MARK, IS IT LIKE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? BECAUSE LIKE I KNOW I MENTIONED TO JODY, LIKE YOU COULD PUT A LIMITATION ON A TOTALITY OF HOW MANY FORMULA BASED BUSINESSES BECAUSE I THINK THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT 300 SQUARE FOOT WAS TO LIMIT IT TO SOME DEGREE, LIKE IF THEY WERE SPACED OUT, BUT IF WE JUST PROVIDE RELIEF FOR IT ANYWAY. YEAH, I THINK THAT WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING IT? YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT HAVING A BROAD IMPACT AND YOU DON'T SPECIFICALLY SAY WHAT IT IS THAT'S CAUSING THAT BROAD IMPACT, POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT THEN FOR STAFF TO THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S THE PROBLEM. AND SO ALL I'M SAYING IS I THINK THAT FIRST ITEM NEEDS FURTHER CLARIFICATION AS TO EXAMPLES. MAYBE ALL WE DO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT BOUND BY IT, BUT MAYBE WE WE MIGHT GIVE EXAMPLES OF OF THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE MIGHT NOT WANT OR MIGHT NOT APPROVE OR WHATEVER, JUST PUT PEOPLE ON WARNING. NO, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND I THINK THAT'S I'D LIKE TO THANK MOST BOARD MEMBERS WOULDN'T WANT SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE FORMULA BASED BUSINESSES DOWN THERE LIKE STARBUCKS, MCDONALD'S. THOSE ARE LIKE GIVEN ONES, I GUESS. AND I GUESS THE REAL QUESTION IS, IS, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, DO THEY HAVE AN ADVANTAGE OVER ANOTHER LOCAL BUSINESS? I MEAN, IT'S DEBATABLE. SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES MIGHT NOT EVEN TURN A PROFIT. WE DON'T KNOW THEIR FINANCIAL SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH BUSINESS. SOME PEOPLE HAVE BUSINESSES TO NOT TURN A PROFIT JUST TO KEEP THEM BUSY, I GUESS I BUT I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I AND I KNOW A COUPLE OF THE POINTS YOU MENTIONED WAS LIKE, LIKE RENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND IT'S, IT'S IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, I GUESS, FOR US BECAUSE WE SET THE POLICY FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THEN THE MARKET DECIDES THE REST. UNLESS, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WE GIVE MONEY TO STUART MAIN STREET OR WE HAVE THE MURAL MATCHING GRANT, WE HAVE PROGRAMS LIKE THAT. BUT AS FAR AS CONTROLLING THE RENT AND STUFF, THAT'S LIKE THAT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. I MEAN, WELL, NO, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT RENT CONTROL. WAIT A MINUTE. I'M. I'M NOT IN NEW YORK CITY. I'M NOT TALKING RENT CONTROL. WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THIS IS THAT IT HAS AN IMPACT ON RENT. BECAUSE IF I'VE GOT FIVE LOCATIONS, RIGHT, AND THOSE FIVE LOCATIONS ARE SPREAD OUT EVEN OVER AROUND FLORIDA. IF IF STUART IS HAVING A BAD MONTH, MOUNT DORA IS HAVING A GOOD MONTH. SOMEBODY ELSE IS HAVING A. SO I'VE GOT ENOUGH. I OWN ENOUGH BUSINESSES, ENOUGH FRANCHISES TO GIVE ME SOME DIVERSITY ON LOCATION SO THAT I'M NOT SUBJECT TO THE ECONOMICS OF THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION, AND THEREFORE I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PAYING A HIGHER RENT BECAUSE I KNOW I CAN. I CAN COVER IT, IF NOT FROM STUART, I'M JUST GOING TO I'M JUST GOING TO GO TO THE VICE MAYOR. AND THEN THIS IS NOT THE POINT OF THESE COMMENTS, IS TO INITIATE A DISCUSSION FOR WHICH NO ONE IS PREPARED EXCEPT THE COMMENTER. IT'S A GOOD IDEA, MR. BRACKBILL. BRING IT UP IN THE CRA, PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, AND, YOU KNOW, ANSWER A QUESTION. BUT THAT'S GOOD. IT'S A REASONABLE CONCERN. IT'S AN OLD ORDINANCE. CERTAINLY THE RETAIL LANDSCAPE HAS CHANGED, SO IT'S SENSIBLE. MR. VICE MAYOR. YEAH, I WOULD SUPPORT ALSO KICKING THAT BACK TO THE CRB. YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE MORE OF A BULWARK THAT'S DEFENSIBLE. SO IT'S NOT ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS TO SAY YES OR NO. SO THE MORE INDIVIDUAL, LIKE THE 300 FOOT DESIGNATION IS A SPECIFIC YOU CAN DEFEND USING THAT. YOU KNOW, THIS WAS WITHIN 300FT. BUT TO TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A NUMBER OF HOW MANY OF OF LOCATIONS ARE THERE, HOW MANY ARE THERE WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS. AND ANY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE LIKE THAT HELPS BUILD, YOU KNOW, A MORE DEFENSIBLE CASE. AND ULTIMATELY YOU CAN SAY YES TO WHATEVER. BUT FOR [00:15:05] THE ONES YOU SAY NO TO, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD IS MORE OF A SHIELD BEYOND EVEN THE ONE 300 FOOT DESIGNATION, OR WHAT'S ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS AND WHAT WE THINK TODAY WOULD NOT AFFECT OR AFFECT DOWNTOWN'S CHARACTER. WE'RE MOVING ON, COMMISSIONER JOB, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. I MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS NOT THE POINT WHERE WE CAN ALL SPEAK TO EACH OTHER AND DISCUSS THESE ITEMS? IF IT'S ON DISCUSSION, YOU CAN, BUT I WOULD DISCOURAGE TAKING ACTION BECAUSE IT HADN'T BEEN PROPERLY NOTICED. SO I THINK THE BEST THING WOULD BE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT MORE, THAT WE STRUCK STAFF TO BRING IT BACK ON THE NEXT CRA AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, PERHAPS CRB, LOOK AT IT AND THEN WE HAVE A CRACK AT IT AND FURTHER DISCUSS IT ON THE CRA. CAN WE GIVE YOU SHOULD WE GIVE YOU DIRECTION TO DO THAT? I THINK THEY NEED DIRECTION TO DO THAT HAPPEN WITHIN THE CRB. YEAH. OKAY. RIGHT. YOU GET THE [1. MURAL MATCHING GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CRA AND PROPERTY OWNER OF 15 SW FLAGLER AVENUE (RC): RESOLUTION No. 07-2025 CRA; A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE BOARD CHAIR TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE STUART COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND DANA SMALL, WHO IS THE PROPERTY OWNER, FOR A MURAL MATCHING GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,000 TO INSTALL A MURAL ON THE EXTERIOR SOUTHERN WALL OF A BUILDING LOCATED AT 15 SW FLAGLER AVENUE; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.] HEAD NODS. THEY'RE GETTING THE MESSAGE. PERFECT. I HAVE NO COMMENT. SO, MR. BAGGAGE, GET BACK UP THERE. COULD YOU READ ITEM ONE FOR OUR CONSIDERATION, PLEASE? SEE, I SEE RESOLUTION NUMBER ZERO SEVEN DASH 2020 5CRAA RESOLUTION OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE BOARD CHAIR TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE STUART COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND DANA SMALL, WHO IS THE PROPERTY OWNER, FOR A MURAL MATCHING GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,000 TO INSTALL A MURAL ON THE EXTERIOR SOUTHERN WALL OF A BUILDING LOCATED AT 15 SOUTHWEST FLAGLER AVENUE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE PROVIDING FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. NO. OR OH, I'M SORRY. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON, CRA BOARD MEMBERS JORDAN PINKSTON, CRA PROGRAM MANAGER. FOR THE RECORD, THE CRA HAS RECEIVED A MATCHING GRANT APPLICATION PROPOSING A MURAL ON THE EXTERIOR WALL OF THE MATILDAS BUILDING LOCATED AT 15 SOUTHWEST FLAGLER AVENUE. THE APPLICATION IS PROCESSED SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH A MINOR CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION, WHICH WAS APPROVED AT THE CRB MEETING EARLIER THIS MONTH. THE OBJECTIVE OF THE PROGRAM IS TO USE MURALS AS A CATALYST FOR REDEFINING REDEFINING OUR AREA AS A DESTINATION FOR ARTS AND CULTURE. PUBLIC ART IS A CENTRAL COMPONENT TO THE COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION. ART STRENGTHENS COMMUNITIES, DRIVES TOURISM, AND FOSTERS AN ENVIRONMENT OF CREATIVITY AND INNOVATION. THROUGH THIS COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION EFFORT, WE AIM TO ENGAGE THE CREATIVE SECTOR TO DRIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WITHIN THE CRA, APPLICANTS ARE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE IN THE FORM OF A 50 OVER 50 FUNDS MATCH, NOT TO EXCEED $3,000 FOR A NEW MURAL ARTWORK THAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. EACH FISCAL YEAR, THE CRA BUDGETS 20,000 FOR THE MURAL MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM. THE PROGRAM IS AVAILABLE TO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS, LIMITED TO THE COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE BUILDINGS WITHIN THE CRA. MURALS ARE CONSIDERED TEMPORARY WORKS OF ART AND SHOULD BE MAINTAINED FOR A MINIMUM OF FIVE YEARS. A MURAL MAY NOT USE LETTERS, WORDS, NUMERALS, FIGURES, EMBLEMS, LOGOS, OR ANY COMBINATION THEREOF TO ADVERTISE GOODS, SERVICES, OR MERCHANDISE. THE MURAL MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM WAS IMPLEMENTED IN 2019, AND HAS ASSISTED WITH THE FUNDING OF SEVEN MURALS THROUGHOUT THE CRA. THE MURALS PICTURED ARE THE GUILT COMPLEX TO HOME BUILDING, OLD COLORADO IN URBAN BOTANICALS, AND THE VA BUILDING ON MLK. AS MENTIONED, THE PROPOSED MURAL WILL BE ON THE EXTERIOR SOUTHERN WALL OF THE MATILDAS BUILDING, LOCATED AT 15 SOUTHWEST FLAGLER AVENUE. THE ARTWORK WILL BE HIGHLY VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC BY THOSE VISITING THE SHOPS AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND CONFUSION CORNER AND DOWN SOUTHWEST FLAGLER AVENUE. SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL THE ORIGINAL WELCOME TO STUART MOSAIC MURAL THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY AT THIS LOCATION. THE CITY AND MARTIN ARTS OR ARTS COUNCIL APPLIED FOR THE NATIONAL ENDOWMENT OF THE ARTS GRANT IN 2002, AND THERE WERE FOUR MURALS CREATED AS PART OF THE PROJECT. WELCOME TO STUART WAS ONE OF THEM. THE MURAL WAS DESIGNED AND CREATED BY MAUREEN FULGENZI, BUT UNFORTUNATELY OVER THE YEARS CHILES BEGAN TO WEATHER IN. THE CRACKS AND COLORS FADED. THERE WERE ALSO ROOF LEAKS THAT CAUSED SOME OF THE SMALLER TILES TO FALL OFF. ULTIMATELY, THE MAINTENANCE OF THE MURAL BECAME TOO DIFFICULT, AND CURRENTLY THE PROPOSED MURAL LOCATION IS BLANK AND LIGHTS HAVE BEEN STRATEGICALLY PLACED ABOVE FOR THE MURAL. THE NEW PROPOSED MURAL WILL REFRESH, REFRESH THE BUILDING AND BRING A MORE VIBRANT TWIST FROM THE ORIGINAL MOSAIC MURAL. THE NEW WELCOME TO STUART HAPPIEST SEASIDE TOWN MURAL WELCOMES VISITORS DOWNTOWN WITH VIBRANT, NATURE INSPIRED ELEMENTS UNIQUE TO FLORIDA. THE MURAL HAS A LIVELY VINTAGE FEEL WHICH COMPLEMENTS THE NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES AND HISTORIC CHARM OF THE SHOPPING DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED MURAL WILL BE ABOUT 18FT WIDE BY 14FT HIGH, AND CORRELATES WELL WITH THE SURROUNDING MURALS IN THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. THE ARTWORK WILL BE EXECUTED BY CYNTHIA SANTOS, WHO HAS BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY SINCE 2013 AND HAS HAD EXPERIENCE WORKING ON MURALS OF THIS SIZE AND QUALITY. ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025, THE CRB [00:20:06] VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THE MATILDAS MINOR CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE ATTACHED MURAL RENDERING AND EXHIBIT D. THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE ARTWORK ON THE BUILDING, LOCATED AT 15 SOUTHWEST FLAGLER AVENUE, AND THE ARTIST WILL ADJUST THE S IN STUART TO BE MORE VISIBLE. ALSO DURING THAT MEETING, THERE WERE COMMENTS MADE BY THE BOARD ABOUT THE NATURE ELEMENTS AND THE SAILFISH INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED ARTWORK, WHICH STAFF WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS AFTER RECEIVING FEEDBACK FROM THE MARTIN FROM MARTIN ARTS OR THE ARTS COUNCIL, ONE CONCERN WAS THAT THE ORANGES, THE SPOONBILLS AND THE PLANTS WERE NOT NATIVE TO STUART. HOWEVER, FLORIDA IS FAMOUS FOR ORANGES AND THE COLOR PERSPECTIVE. THEY COMPLIMENTS THE MURAL AND THEN THE SPOONBILLS CAN BE FOUND ON THE TREASURE COAST, AND THE COLOR ALSO PLAYS WELL WITH THE OVERALL MURAL, AND THE MONASTERY IS NOT NATIVE, SO SEA GRAPES COULD BE USED. BUT TODAY WE CERTAINLY SEE PLENTY OF THESE TYPES OF PLANTS IN OUR LANDSCAPED AREAS. THEY WERE ALSO SEEKING CONFIRMATION THAT THE SAILFISH IS CORRECTLY DEPICTED. MARTIN ARTS CONFIRMED THAT THE SAILFISH COULD BENEFIT FROM A SLIGHTLY MORE DEFINED FIN TO EMPHASIZE ITS SHAPE. HOWEVER, THE STYLE OF THE MURAL IS MORE PLAYFUL AND IT CAN BE UP TO INTERPRETATION, AND IT'S NOT A LITERAL RENDERING. THE CRB ALSO VOTED UNANIMOUSLY AT THAT MEETING TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER OH SEVEN, DASH 2025 FOR THE MURAL MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM FUNDING WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONS. SO THE APPLICANT I'M SORRY, WERE YOU DONE? I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY AT THIS TIME, IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION, I THINK THE VICE MAYOR HAS SOME QUESTIONS OF YOU. REALLY? COMMENTS. THIS PROJECT IS $21,000 ESTIMATED, RIGHT. THEY'RE GETTING 3000 FROM US. CORRECT. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES WHERE I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE OF A HEADACHE FOR SOMEBODY TO GET ANYTHING FROM THE GOVERNMENT. I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE IT ALONE AS AS IT'S PRESENTED. IT'S ON A BLUE BACKGROUND. YOU CAN SEE THE S FINE. I LOVE MONSTERA DELICIOSA. IT'S AN EDIBLE PLANT. ORANGES ARE FANTASTIC. THE SAILFISH IS GREAT. I. I LIKE IT HOW IT IS. THEY'RE GETTING $3,000 FROM US. I WOULD MOVE THAT. WE JUST APPROVE IT AS IT'S PRESENTED WITHOUT ANY OTHER NONSENSE. ATTACHED WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION S SO I DO WANT TO CONFIRM AND I HAVE NO. WELL OH I WOULD LIKE THE REST OF THE COMMISSION TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF BEFORE WE MOTION. CAN I JUST CAN I SAY SOMETHING ASK CAN I SAY SOMETHING REGARDING THAT. YES, IF YOU DON'T MIND. SO ACTUALLY ARTWORK ITSELF, THE FINAL APPROVED ARTWORK IS APPROVED THROUGH CRB. SO REALLY THE ARTWORK ITSELF HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. THIS IS JUST FOR THE MURAL MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM. SO THE MINOR CODE CONDITIONAL USE WAS APPROVED THROUGH CRB ONLY. SO I'M I CAN SEEK FURTHER GUIDANCE, BUT I BELIEVE THE ARTWORK CAN NO LONGER BE CHANGED. AS PER THE MOTION THAT WAS PASSED BY CRB. I, I AGREE, I LIKE THE ORIGINAL ONE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION? SO SECOND, CAN I, CAN I? I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY. SO THE CRB MADE CHANGES TO THE ARTWORK THEN OR. NO. YES THEY ARE. THEY REQUESTED THAT THE S BE MORE VISIBLE AS PART OF THEIR MOTION. AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS BOARD CAN'T OVERRIDE THE CRB IDEAS? WELL, I COULD IF WE WANTED TO AS AN ADVISORY BOARD. NO, BECAUSE IT'S SORRY, I'M JUST CURIOUS. OF COURSE WE COULD. I KNOW FOR PUBLIC ART SPECIFICALLY, THEY ARE THE APPROVING BOARD. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE ITEM THAT THEY GET TO APPROVE AND NOT RECOMMEND. ALRIGHT, OKAY. WHY WOULD IT COME BEFORE US IF WE HAVE NO SAY? COULD WE HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY? OKAY. SEE? NO OTHER QUESTIONS. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT IT? I MEAN, REALLY HOLD ON. SEE? NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. HE DID? YEAH. I'D LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL AS RECOMMENDED. SECONDED. WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. CLERK. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? NONE. MISS DANIEL. YES, BECAUSE YOU MADE THE EFFORT TO BE HERE. I KNOW, AND I REALLY RESPECT THAT. YOU SEE HOW MUCH. WELL, OBVIOUSLY FINANCIAL OBLIGATION. I'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY PAID IN FULL AND I DIDN'T I WASN'T EVEN AWARE THAT THERE WAS A GRANT PROCESS OR JUST EVEN GOING THROUGH THE APPLICATION. I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS AND OF COURSE I WAS LIKE, OKAY, THAT [00:25:05] WOULD BE NICE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE. BUT AND I JUST REALIZED FOR THE RECORD, I DID NOT STATE MY NAME. SO DANA SMALL, I HAVE LIVED IN STUART FOR 25 YEARS. I'VE RUN MY BUSINESS, MATILDAS, FOR 18 YEARS IN THE BUILDING WE'RE IN, IN THAT SAID BUILDING, AND WE'RE CELEBRATING 18 YEARS THIS WEEK. AND I PURCHASED THE BUILDING MYSELF THREE YEARS AGO AFTER WORKING TIRELESSLY IN THE RETAIL WORLD AND VERY PROUD OF THE BUILDING. OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS WE HAVE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY INVESTING IN ALL IMPACT WINDOWS AND NEW LIGHTING AND RESURFACING AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT I CAN DO TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN STUART, JUST PRETTIER, MORE ESTHETIC, KIND OF BRING US UP TO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING LIKE OTHER PLACES LIKE BUREAU AND AND THINGS. AND, YOU KNOW, I ALSO AM AN INTERIOR DESIGNER. SO IT'S IN MY NATURE. AND THE MURAL FOR YEARS HAS BEEN THE, THE EXISTING PREEXISTING WAS FALLING DOWN AND PIECES AND PARTS. AND I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT BECAUSE OF I DIDN'T OWN THE BUILDING. BY THE TIME WE BUILT THE BUILDING OR I BOUGHT THE BUILDING, WE HAD A FOUNDATION ISSUE. WE HAD A ROOF LEAK, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A CRACK BEHIND IT AND ALL THOSE THINGS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT JUST STARTED UNFOLDING AS I WAS A NEW BUILDING OWNER AND REALIZING I HAD TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO THE SPACE. AND IT WAS LIKE THERE WASN'T REALLY A WAY TO SALVAGE THE MURAL. AND I ALSO WANTED SOMETHING. AND, YOU KNOW, IN HINDSIGHT, MY MIND WAS GOING TOWARDS ANYTHING THAT WAS MARKETABLE. YOU KNOW, I'M A BIG INSTAGRAMMER. INSTAGRAM IS SOCIAL PLATFORMS, YOU KNOW, RUN THE WORLD WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT. AND I SAW THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IT UP TO, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS TIME, THIS MOMENT, AND NOT TO TALK ABOUT THE BRIGHT LINE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT FALLS RIGHT NOW, BUT I REALLY WE FACE THE TRACKS. AND I WANTED SOMETHING THAT WHEN PEOPLE GO BY AND THERE'S THIS ANTICIPATION, THERE'S A, A HAPPINESS, SOMETHING BRIGHT AND CHEERY. AND WHEN THAT TRAIN SLOWS DOWN ANY PASSENGER TRAIN, IT SEES THIS. IT SEES SOMETHING THAT NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTS STUART NATIVE, BUT ALSO FLORIDA. WE LIVE IN FLORIDA. THIS ISN'T STUART, ALABAMA. SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT ORANGES AND A MONSTERA AND SPOONBILLS. YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT THIS THE THE ARTISTS I CHOSE, I MEAN, I DID INVEST MONEY INTO LOOKING AT OTHER ARTISANS. I FOUND HER IN MIAMI BECAUSE I SAW HER PIECE IN THE GABLES, AND I WAS TOTALLY STRUCK BY THE VINTAGE FEEL. I JUST IT REMINDED ME OF BEING A KID. I'M FROM OHIO, COMING TO FORT LAUDERDALE TO VISIT MY GRANDMOTHER, KIND OF THIS COPPERTONE VINTAGE, YOU KNOW, NO ONE WAS PINPOINTING, OH, THOSE PLANTS AREN'T NATIVE, OR WE HAVE SEAGRASSES VERSUS MONSTERA. AND I ACTUALLY SEE SPOONBILLS DRIVING DOWN MY STREET ON A REGULAR BASIS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE. I'D LIKE TO FIND THEM, BUT I JUST THINK THAT THIS I WANTED TO BE HAPPY. I MEAN, AND AND, YOU KNOW, COASTAL LIVING COINED US AND TITLED US HAPPIEST SEASIDE TOWN IN THE COUNTRY SEVERAL YEARS BACK AND 2016. I JUST I JUST LOVE THAT. AND I EVEN THINK LAST YEAR USA TODAY ALSO SAID, YOU KNOW, GREATEST SMALL TOWN IN AMERICA TO GROW UP IN OR OR BUILD IN OR LIVE IN. AND I JUST WANTED SOMETHING. WE KNOW SAILFISH CAPITAL OF THE WORLD IS HERE. WE'VE GOT THE COLORS. AND I DO APPRECIATE EVERYONE WHO HAS COMMENTED ON THE ESTHETIC OF THE BALANCE OF COLOR. AND I LOVE IT. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS IT'S IT'S VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND THE SCALE OF THIS AND THE S ALONE IS ABOUT SIX FEET TALL. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERSPECTIVE AND YOU'VE GOT 18FT WIDE BY 14, SO THAT'S SHORTER. AND I'M SHORTER THAN SIX FEET. BUT THE S IS YOU KNOW, AND THE ARTIST IS VERY AWARE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THINGS WHERE THERE'S A SLIGHT LEAF ON THE ONE PART OF THE S THAT THAT CAN JUST NOT BE THERE AND, YOU KNOW, TO ENSURE IT. BUT YOU KNOW, AS IT'S KIND OF 3D THOUGH, IT'S COOL. IT IS A LITTLE LEAVES GOING ON THE S, YOU KNOW. SO I UNDERSTAND THIS IS MORE OF THE GRANT APPROVAL PROCESS. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY PROUD OF IT. AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, WE REALLY WANT IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, FOR YEARS PEOPLE STOOD IN FRONT OF THE OLD MURAL AND TOOK PICTURES AND AND SO FORTH. AND I REALLY, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO START WITH THE WELCOME TO STUART. I THOUGHT THERE WAS NO REASON TO GET RID OF THAT. IT WAS JUST SOMETHING I KIND OF WANTED TO BE THE THE WELCOME COMMITTEE FOR, YOU KNOW, THAT GETS SO MUCH TRAFFIC. YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT LIKE TO TALK ABOUT PUTTING A SPEED BUMP IN, BUT YOU KNOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST LOVE THAT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THAT THAT WALL GETS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I WOULD PUT ON IT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT'S TERRIFIC. WELL, THANK [00:30:02] YOU, MR. VICE MAYOR. DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? YES. SO THANK YOU FOR SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY AND TIME AND EXPERTISE ON ON HAVING THIS. I AGREE WITH YOU. THIS WILL BE ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TAKING PHOTOS AND PUTTING THEM UP ON INSTAGRAM AND TAGGING THE CITY AND YOUR BUSINESS. THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION. TO INCLUDE THE ARTWORK AS PRESENTED. SO NOT WITH NONE OF THE CRB RECOMMENDATIONS. I'M GOING TO TRUMP THE CRB AND EXACTLY AS PRESENTED EXACTLY AS SHE HAS INVESTED MONEY INTO. I WOULD LIKE TO OVERRIDE WHAT CHANGES CRB. SO THEY WANT HER TO COME BACK WITH DIFFERENT PLANS AND DIFFERENT BIRDS AND THE DIFFERENT SAILFISH FIN. I WOULD JUST AS WELL LEAVE IT AS IS. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. JUST LIKE IF SHE LIKES IT, SHE SPENT THIS MUCH MONEY ON IT. LET HER HAVE WHAT SHE WANTS EXACTLY LIKE SHE WANTS. GIVE HER $3,000 AND BE MR. BHAGAT. NEED TO ADDRESS THIS. I SECOND THE MOTION. IT IS TRUE UNDER OUR OUR CODE THAT YOU DELEGATED THE AUTHORITY TO THE CRB. THE ONLY AUTHORITY TO HAVE FOR FINAL DECISION IS ART. PUBLIC ART. SO THEY DID MAKE THE DECISION. BUT YOU DELEGATED THE AUTHORITY TO CRB. SO YOU TECHNICALLY TRUMPET AS AS COMMISSIONER COLLINS HAS SAID, I DON'T KNOW WELL WITHIN THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT. THERE WOULD BE ANY. I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS, NOT MAJORITY OF YOU VOTE FOR IT. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S UP TO YOU. YOU BUT YOU DID DELEGATE THE AUTHORITY TO THE CRB AND AND THAT'S THE ONLY FINAL AUTHORITY THAT THEY HAVE. EVERYTHING ELSE IS ADVISORY. THANK YOU. LEE I DID HAVE A QUESTION. WOULD THAT MEAN SORRY FOR THE RECORD LIKE THAT CAME THROUGH AS A MINOR CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION WHICH WAS A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM. SO YEAH, THAT IS TRUE. IT WAS SEPARATE. MY MY CONCERN IS TO PROPERLY NOTICED BECAUSE THAT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA TODAY BECAUSE WE ALREADY IT WAS A SEPARATE RESOLUTION. RIGHT. I JUST DON'T WANT TO HOLD HER MURAL UP. I ALSO I ALSO AGREE THAT I LOVE IT AS IS, BUT THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION TOO. THIS WAS RECOMMENDATION FROM THE MARTIN ARTS COUNCIL AND THAT'S WHY THE CRB VOTED THAT WAY. SO I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION. OKAY. I GUESS THE RESOLUTION APPROVING IT, CLARIFYING, CLEARING UP THE. YES, IT'S KIND OF VAGUE ANYWAY. I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT WAS THE ONLY CHANGE CLEARING UP THE. YES. YEAH. ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT IDEAS OF DIFFERENT PLANS, DIFFERENT SAILFISH FIN. NO. THOSE WERE THOSE WERE JUST COMMENTS THAT I WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS BECAUSE WE HAD CRB MEMBERS HERE BECAUSE THEY WOULD NEVER SEE THIS ITEM AGAIN. SO THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE WITH THE CONDITIONS REALLY WAS ONLY TO REVISE THE S, THOSE OTHER THINGS, AS FAR AS SPECIFIC WAY, MAKE IT MORE VISIBLE, AND I THINK SO. THAT'S VAGUE ENOUGH. WE SHOULD BE FINE THEN. YEAH, I THINK SHE DISCUSSED THAT THEY WERE ALREADY GOING TO TAKE AWAY A COUPLE OF THE LEAVES. I MEAN, AND I'LL JUST ABOUT THAT. BUT THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL THE OTHER WAS PURE DISCUSSION THEN, THEN, THEN I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN MY ORIGINAL MOTION. SORRY FOR THE MISS. RIGHT. HE'S MOTION MOTION MADNESS TRACK OF THIS WE'RE CAPABLE OF DOING. YOU NEVER WITHDREW YOUR FIRST MOTION. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO BACK. I WAS AMENDING YES, YES. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO BACK TO THE APPROVING THIS ARTWORK. DO YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL MOTION? YES. PERFECT. I HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK. YES. FORGIVE. FORGIVE THE MADNESS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I LOVE WHAT YOU HAVE HERE. I LOVE IT TOO. THANK YOU. OKAY. BEAUTIFUL ADDITION TO THE CITY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. CAN I MAKE. ARE WE CLEAR, COMMISSIONER CLARK? DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? DO YOU HAVE A LIGHT? YOUR LIGHT IS ON. NO. IT WAS. IT WAS TO DEAL WITH THE THE. THERE WERE CHANGES ON THIS, BUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING AND YOU'RE. I DON'T THINK IT WILL CAUSE A BIG CHANGE IN YOUR, YOUR DRAWING. BUT I THINK THAT JUST THE ONE ORANGE AT THE TOP OF THE S THERE. MAYBE IF THAT WENT AWAY, THAT WOULD ALSO HELP THE S TO GO. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. YOU WANT TO GO WITH SUFFICIENTLY VAGUE. SECOND. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER? I HAVE BOARD MEMBERS. YES. I JUST I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT THE CRB, THEY'RE THEY'RE REAL. THEY'RE ONLY REAL ISSUE WAS WHAT THE ARTS COUNCIL MENTIONED WAS THAT THE S GOT KIND OF THE WAY IT WAS. IT WAS KIND OF GETTING LOST IN THERE. AND SO THEY WANTED TO SEE IF THEY COULD DO SOMETHING WITH THAT TO MAKE IT MORE VISIBLE THAT WE DID GET INTO A DISCUSSION OF A DISCUSSION OF FLORA AND FAUNA. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ANY OF THAT STUFF IS. AND THAT WASN'T A MAJOR ISSUE. THERE'S NO REASON TO BRING THAT UP AT THIS POINT. BUT BUT THE THE AND AND THE THAT BOARD REALIZED THAT THEY DO HAVE THE FINAL AUTHORITY AND THEY [00:35:01] COULDN'T SEND IT TO YOU GUYS FOR COMMENT OR, OR SO I, I THINK THAT THEY WERE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE OPEN TO SOME COMMENT. I, THE ONE COMMENT THAT I MADE KIND OF JOKINGLY WAS, LET'S MAKE SURE THE SAILFISH IS A SAILFISH, AND NOT BECAUSE WE HAD THAT HAPPEN BEFORE. AND SO THAT WAS THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I MADE, IS THAT IF THAT'S NOT A SAILFISH, IT SHOULD BE ONE. BUT BUT OTHERWISE THAT WAS THAT WAS WHAT HAPPENED AT THAT LEVEL. SO I DON'T THINK WE REALLY HAVE A CONFLICT. THANK YOU. MR. JAMES. BOARD MEMBER JAMES, MY ONLY COMMENT IS THAT VICE MAYOR JUST TRUMPED US AND WE WOULD HAVE HAD AN ISSUE. BUT HE AMENDED THAT MOTION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW, COMMISSIONER CLARK, APPARENTLY YOU HAVE A CONCERN. YEAH, A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO I, I DO AGREE ABOUT THE AUTHORITY OF THE CRB AND THEN THE IDEA OF INCLUDING THE WHATEVER THE ARTS COUNCIL INCLUDE. AND IT IS IMPORTANT AND I THINK MISS SMALL SAID IT. PEOPLE TAKE PICTURES AND SO ON. AND IF YOU ACTUALLY TAKE A PICTURE IN FRONT OF IT AND SOMEBODY SAYS, OH, THAT'S NOT A SAILFISH OR THAT'S NOT THIS, AND THAT'S CRITICAL. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT SHE AND HER ARTISTS OR WHOEVER, THEY, THEY MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE THINGS ARE RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT THEY WERE PERTINENT IN GIVING THOSE COMMENTS AS TO THE FACT OF WHETHER SOMETHING IS A NATIVE OR NON-NATIVE. I KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THE MONSTERA PLANT AROUND HERE, AND THEY EAT THE FRUITS, AND THEY WERE AT THE COURTHOUSE RIGHT THERE BY THE ARTS COUNCIL AT ONE TIME BEFORE THEY TOOK THEM OFF. IF WE HAVE GUIDELINES OR IF WE NEED TO HAVE GUIDELINES IN THE FUTURE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE DESIGNING THINGS TO SAY, USE NATIVE PLANTS OR NATIVE, THIS OR THAT, THEN YOU KNOW, THERE. BUT OTHERWISE I THINK IT'S IT'S WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE PERSON WHO'S DEVELOPING THESE THINGS. AND I THINK IT'S FINE FOR ERA BECAUSE ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE WITHIN OUR AREA. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT THE CITY OF STUART ONLY REPRESENTS THINGS THAT ARE IN THE NATIVE PLANT LIST, AND NOTHING ELSE SHOULD BE ON ANYTHING THAT MIGHT EVEN BE APPROVED OR PAID FOR THROUGH SOME TYPE OF GRANT WITH THE CITY OF STUART, THEN WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT. BUT OTHERWISE I THINK SOMETHING PROMINENT LIKE THE SAILFISH NEEDS TO DO LOOK LIKE A SAILFISH. AND AND AND AND MUST BE, MUST MEET THAT CRITERIA. I THINK THAT THAT'S THOSE ARE IMPORTANT. AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DENY OR TAKE AWAY ANYTHING FROM THE CRB. THAT IS THEIR DUTY, WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. AND THEY DID A GOOD JOB IN IDENTIFYING THOSE THINGS AND AND CALLING THEM OUT. BUT I THINK THAT IN THE LONG RUN, WHEN WE DO THE FINAL THING WITH APPROVING THE FUNDS THAT YOU'RE BRINGING IN FRONT OF US WITH THIS PROJECT, WE ALSO DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO DO ONE LITTLE FINAL LITTLE TWEAK OR SOMETHING, WE CAN BE ABLE TO DO IT. AND I, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING FORWARD WITH THIS, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE CITY OF STUART AND TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE INPUT OF THE CRB AND THE ARTS COUNCIL. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. BOARD MEMBER JAMES. YES. BOARD MEMBER. JOB. YES. BOARD MEMBER. CLARK. YES. CHAIR. RICK. YES. VICE CHAIR. COLLINS. YES. BOARD MEMBER. BURKEVILLE. YES. BOARD MEMBER. REED. YES. THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK, MISS MOLLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. WE'LL COME TAKE A PICTURE IN FRONT OF YOU. YEAH. THANKSGIVING. THANK YOU. YEAH, I THINK THAT'LL WORK. YEAH. WE GOT ONE MORE ITEM, BUT I DON'T KNOW. ORANGES AREN'T NATIVE. ORANGES AREN'T NATIVE. I KNOW, IT'S RIDICULOUS. WE SHOULD HAVE MANGOES, RIGHT? WHAT SHOULD HAVE MANGOS OR PINEAPPLE? SHOULD HAVE YOU GOT A MANGO TREE, DON'T YOU? OKAY. I'M [STAFF UPDATE] SORRY. CAN WE HAVE A STAFF UPDATE, PLEASE, ON THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB REAR ENTRANCE GATE? JODI? YES. GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JODI KOOGLER, DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF STUART. THIS ITEM WAS BROUGHT FROM THE CRB OR CRA BOARD LAST IN SEPTEMBER. I DO BELIEVE TO TALK ABOUT THE BOYS AND GIRLS TRAFFIC AND CIRCULATION THROUGHOUT THE SITE, AND WHAT THE CITY CAN DO TO TRY TO HELP WITH MITIGATE SOME OF THESE IMPACTS. WE DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE DIRECTOR OF THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB LAST WEEK, AND HE IS AWARE THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC AND SPEEDING AND PARKING ALONG HIGH SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL ROAD. AND SO I KNOW THAT HE'S LOOKING AT DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES TO TRY TO SEE IF [00:40:02] HE CAN WORK WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD TO OPEN UP THE BACK GATES AND GO ALONG TO GEORGIA AVENUE INSTEAD OF DIRECTING EVERYTHING DOWN HIGH SCHOOL OR THROUGH MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD. THE OTHER THING THAT WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT IS ADDRESSING THE SPEED ON THE ROAD ON MARTIN LUTHER KING IN HIGH SCHOOL. SO I AM GOING TO BRING UP OUR OUR CHIEF. IT HAPPENS TO BE THAT THE NEXT LOCATION FOR THE SPEED TRAILER WAS GOING TO BE MARTIN LUTHER KING, RIGHT BY BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. SO THAT WAS RELOCATED ON FRIDAY. AND HE CAN KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME UPDATES ON THAT AS WELL. HELLO. YES. ON FRIDAY WE REPOSITIONED THE SPEED TRAILER TO MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD. IT'S BETWEEN SMITH, TURNER PARK AND THE CITY GARAGE. AND AFTER CONVERSATION WITH JODY, WE HAVE A SPEED SIGN THAT GOES ON TO A LIKE A STOP SIGN OR A POST ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT WILL WILL MOVE OVER TO HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE EITHER LATER TODAY OR TOMORROW, AND MONITOR THAT FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE SPEED ISSUE OVER THERE. AND OBVIOUSLY WITH OUR TRAFFIC CARS THAT ARE OUT ON DUTY NOW, THIS WILL BE A AN AREA OF CONCENTRATION FOR THEM AS TIME PERMITS, BETWEEN THE OTHER PRIORITIES TO CRACK DOWN ANY SPEEDING ISSUES. I KNOW THAT THEY'VE ALREADY SPENT TIME ON MLK, ON MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD. WE HAVEN'T HAD THEM POSITIONED ON HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE YET, JUST IN ORDER OF PRIORITY. THEY'VE BEEN ON OTHER ASSIGNMENTS RIGHT NOW. YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF THE CHIEF COMMISSIONER? YES. DO YOU HAVE ANY COUNTS OF WHO'S USING WHAT ENTRANCE FOR THEIR INGRESS AND EGRESS? BECAUSE I SEE THE PATTERN WHEN I'M WHEN I DO HAPPEN TO BE AT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, IT APPEARS THAT PEOPLE COME IN. THEY DO COME IN FROM HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE, AND THEN THEY COME OUT ON MARTIN LUTHER KING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE INSTRUCTED THEM TO DO, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE COME FROM THE SIDE AND THEY COME AROUND THE FRONT. AND BECAUSE IT'S IT'S THE WAY TO PICK UP AND GO OUT THAT WAY EASIER. SO I DO NOT HAVE ANY SPECIFIC COUNTS. WE HAVE NOT BEEN OUT THERE TO TRACK THE THE NUMBER OF CARS COMING AND GOING. I THINK JODY MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL US. I THINK THEY HAVE A TRAFFIC PLAN WHERE THEY WANTED THE CARS TO COME IN FROM HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE AND LEAVE THROUGH MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD, BUT THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, DIDN'T HAVE ANY INFLUENCE OR SAY SO ON THAT, AT LEAST NOT TO THIS POINT, NOT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND SO IN THAT REGARD, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CURRENT OR AT LEAST PRE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB TRAFFIC COUNT NUMBERS ON HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE. EITHER YOU'VE NEVER HAD TRAFFIC COUNTS ON HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE, NOT BACK IN THAT WHEN THE SCHOOL BOARD NOT AVAILABLE. I WILL CHECK WITH MILTON TO SEE IF THEY DID ANY COUNTS FROM HIS SIDE. I DON'T RECALL ANY, AT LEAST NONE IN RECENT HISTORY, BUT I'D HAVE TO ASK MILTON IF THEY HAD ANYTHING FROM THEIR TRAFFIC COUNTER THAT THEY'LL PUT OUT FROM TIME TO TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH CONSTRUCTION IN THE PAST. I COULD CERTAINLY ASK HIM TO SEE IF HE HAS ANY DATA, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND DOES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS FROM OR FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER ON LIKE FIFTH STREET OR STYPMANN GOING TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, BALBOA OR CORTEZ IN THAT AREA? DO ARE THEY HEARING FROM RESIDENTS THAT THERE'S MORE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA, OR IS IT JUST DIRECTLY ON HIGH SCHOOL BETWEEN EAST OCEAN AND THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, WHERE WE HAVE A PROBLEM? I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY OTHER COMPLAINTS BEYOND THAT AREA. SO NO, I HAVE NOT ADDRESSED ANY ISSUES OR HEARD FROM ANY CITIZENS ABOUT ANYTHING BEYOND HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE. I'LL ACTUALLY ANSWER THAT FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER KIRK, BECAUSE I WAS, COINCIDENTALLY ENOUGH, AT 415 A COUPLE DAYS AGO, I WAS LOOKING AT THAT FICUS TREE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, ON UP FOR DEBATE ON STYPMANN. AND I'VE HAD FRIENDS WHO'VE LIVED ON STYPMANN, THREE FRIENDS WHO'VE LIVED FOR DECADES, AND I WAS REALLY STRUCK BY HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS ON STYPMANN HEADING RIGHT FOR HIGH SCHOOL. AND I WAS SPEAKING TO NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE TREE AND ALSO THE TRAFFIC AND NO, NO, NO, THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED AND VERY AWARE THAT THERE'S A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL OF TRAFFIC ON AT LEAST STYPMANN. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT FIFTH, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY DO A TRAFFIC COUNT ON STYPMANN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT. IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. YEAH, I WILL WORK WITH MILTON. AND I WAS TOLD THAT THAT'S NOT EVEN THE BUSY TIME. 415 TO 430. IT'S FIVE. YOU WERE OUT THERE AT 415. YEAH. 415 TO 430 TALKING ABOUT A FICUS TREE. I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY CITIZENS WHO LIVE ALONG CORTEZ THAT THE STOP SIGNS THAT ARE OUT THERE ARE ARE HELPFUL IN SLOWING TRAFFIC DOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE. STOP SIGNS BETWEEN MLK AND EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD. OH, ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S FROM ABOUT A YEAR AGO OR SO WHEN THOSE. WELL THEY'RE ON. YEAH. THEY'RE YOU KNOW THANK GOD THEY'RE THERE. YEAH. BUT YOU GOT STUART MIDDLE WAS GETTING OUT AT THAT TIME. PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT THERE. THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN WITHIN [00:45:03] PROBABLY. WELL I ASKED ABOUT IT AND THEY THEY JUST SAID THAT. NO NO THAT'S NOT EVEN THE BUSY TIME. THE BUSY TIME IS 515 TO 6. SO IF THAT'S NOT THE BUSY TIME THEN THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING. COMMISSIONER REED, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF THE CHIEF? YEAH, I WAS GOING TO BE FOR TRAFFIC COUNT AS WELL. AND THIS ONE. IS FOR YOU, JODY. I KNOW SOMEONE HAD MENTIONED THAT. DID THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB EVER SAY THAT ONLY EMPLOYEES WOULD USE HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WAS THAT EVER SET AT THE ORIGINAL MEETING WHEN THAT APPROVED. SO THIS IS A MINOR SITE PLAN. IT DID NOT GO THROUGH A ANY TYPE OF PUBLIC HEARING. SO THERE WAS NO REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT. SO IF THERE WAS CONVERSATION THAT THIS THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB HAD WITH THE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WAS NOT PRIVY OF THAT. THEY DID DEMONSTRATE WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO BE USING THE BACK GATE TO PICK UP THE CHILDREN. IN THE EVENING BETWEEN 4 AND 6. THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO LEAVE THEIR CARS. THEY BASICALLY CIRCLE THROUGH. THEY DON'T RELEASE CHILDREN. WE DID TALK TO THE DIRECTOR, AND HE KIND OF EXPLAINED HOW THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS. BUT IF THERE WAS CONVERSATION, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS PROVIDED OR STUDY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JODY. SO A SOLUTION IS POSSIBLE GOING OUT THROUGH THE MIDDLE SCHOOL THERE, RIGHT? YES. THE DIRECTOR IS REACHING OUT TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL RIGHT NOW TO FIND OUT WHAT SOME ALTERNATIVES THAT THEY CAN SEND US BACK. GATES OPEN TO GEORGIA. AND I'M GOING TO LET OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. I FOR THE RECORD, WE DID HAVE A PRODUCTIVE MEETING WITH FLETCH FROM BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. UNFORTUNATELY, I REACHED OUT TO THE SUPERINTENDENT MYSELF, BUT THEY'RE OFF THIS WEEK, SO WE HAVE A BASICALLY A TELEPHONE CALL BACK MEETING SCHEDULED FOR MONDAY, AND I LEFT. THE SUBJECT WAS TO EXPLORE THAT. JODY, THE MAP THAT YOU HAD UP PREVIOUSLY. AND SO I MYSELF DROVE THIS TRACK AND THE GATES TO STEWART MIDDLE SCHOOL WERE OPEN OVER THE WEEKEND. SO BASICALLY IT WOULD BE A NATURAL FLOW TO COME IN HIGH SCHOOL, PICK UP THE KID AND THEN TAKE A RIGHT, RIGHT THERE AND FOLLOW THAT TRACK AROUND TO WHAT IS THE BUS TURN LANE. GO UP A LITTLE MORE JODY. YEAH. AND THEN EXIT OUT OF GEORGIA OVER THERE. THERE'S A FENCE RIGHT THERE, A GATE THAT IF THAT WAS OPEN AND YEAH, THERE IT IS ON GEORGIA. SO THEN BASICALLY THEY WOULD MAKE ALL RIGHTS ALL THE WAY OUT. THAT SEEMED PRETTY LOGICAL TO US. AND IT WE DON'T THINK THAT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB HOURS WOULD OVERLAP WITH STEWART MIDDLE SCHOOL'S HOURS. THEIR SCHOOL'S ALREADY CLOSED BY THE TIME BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB WOULD BE DOING THAT. SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE SOLUTION THAT WE'RE RESEARCHING. FLETCH IS GOING FROM HIS END. I REACHED OUT TO THE SUPERINTENDENT FROM MY END. SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND ATTACK THIS FROM BOTH SIDES. I MEAN, WHY DO THEY SAY THEY HAVE TO KEEP THAT BACK GATE OPEN? I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY HAVE TO KEEP IT CLOSED. THE THE ISSUE IS WHEN I DROVE THERE MYSELF OVER THE WEEKEND, THEY WERE OPEN. SO IT IT WAS A VERY NATURAL FLOW. IT'S ALREADY STRIPED THAT WAY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SOLUTION IF THE SCHOOL BOARD'S OPEN TO IT. I KNOW THEY KEEP THE THE GATES CLOSED DURING THE SCHOOL HOURS, BUT SINCE THIS TRAFFIC ISSUE ALIGNS WITH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB HOURS OF PICKUP, WE'RE HOPING THAT MAYBE WE CAN ARRIVE AT AN ARRANGEMENT TO LEAVE THAT GATE OPEN AND ALLOW THE TRAFFIC TO FLOW RIGHT THROUGH THERE AND GET OUT ON GEORGIA. AND BECAUSE, FLETCH SAID, EVEN SOME OF THE PARENTS, YOU TURN INSIDE THEIR OWN PARKING LOT AND TRY TO GO BACK OUT HIGH SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THEY WANT TO GO. SO SEVERAL SEVERAL OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN DETERMINED, THEY'VE DISCUSSED A CROSSWALK GUARD, THEY'VE DISCUSSED LOTS OF THINGS. SO I MEAN, THIS IS CERTAINLY AN ISSUE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. AND AND THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB WAS INTERESTED IN BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND A PARTNER WITH THE CITY ON THAT. OKAY. WE'LL FIND A SOLUTION. YOU'RE CONFIDENT? YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF JODY OR THE CHIEF? * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.