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          ON A SCALE, I THINK, OF RENT. LIKE I SAID, I HAVEN'T REALLY MET WITH THE PEOPLE. I'VE JUST 
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KNOW PEOPLE WHO KNOW THEM. IT WOULD ALSO BE TRAINING FOR THEM SO THAT THEY CAN THEN NOT BE LOCKED IN THIS CYCLE OF BEING HOMELESS AND DEPENDENT AND PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, CHILD CARE, SCHOOL. SOMETIMES THESE CHILDREN, THEY GO TO SCHOOL AND OTHER KIDS KNOW THEY'RE HOMELESS. AND IT'S BRUTAL. I MEAN, BULLYING TAKES PLACE NO MATTER WHAT, BUT THIS IS EVEN OVER AND ABOVE. SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO AS A CITY. I'D LIKE TO. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IN THE CRA. AND I KNOW WE DON'T. WE'RE NOT ABLE TO USE CRA FUNDS, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE COULD REQUEST TO REWRITE OR ADD SOMETHING INTO THE CRA. I DON'T KNOW HOW. GIVE ME SPECIFIC OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO. WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT WE COULD AFFORD TO ACTUALLY BUILD SOMETHING, BUT COULD WE COULD WE BE IN A POSITION TO DONATE MONEY TO THE SALVATION ARMY FOR THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY? WOULDN'T COVER ALL THE COSTS, BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE HELPFUL. OR MAYBE OFFER SOME SORT OF, I DON'T KNOW, TRAINING OR WHATEVER. I, I DIDN'T GO ANY FURTHER BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE LIMITED IN, AND I KNOW WE'RE LIMITED, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE IS SOMETHING WE COULD DO SOME WAY WE COULD HELP. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE AN APPLICATION IN FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS YET. SO IT'S MORE NO, I THINK IT'S REALLY IN THE TALKING STAGE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S UNDER I UNDERSTAND IT'S IN PROJECTS LIKE THERE WOULD BE A SHELTER FOR, FOR MEN, A SEPARATE SHELTER FOR WOMEN WITH CHILDREN, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE COMMISSION OVERALL WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, IT WOULD BE, AS FAR AS I CAN SEE. YOU WOULD CHANGE POTENTIALLY LAND USE AND ZONING AROUND THAT PARCEL TO INCLUDE IT WOULD BE MULTIFAMILY OR SOME KIND OF INSTITUTIONAL MIXED USE COMPONENT LIKE THAT. 
          AND THAT'S IN THE CRA. YES, IT IS IN CRA. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT OF THE CRA FUNDS, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO REACH OUT TO ANY OTHER GRANTS IN THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL, WHICH WOULD THEN CONTROL WHO WHO UTILIZES THE FACILITY. MAYBE A GOOD AVENUE. THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANTED TO GO, BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY EVEN STATE FUNDS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ASK FOR AN APPROPRIATION. IT SEEMS LIKE THE STATE'S VERY OPEN TO GIVING MONEY TO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WHERE THERE'S BLIGHT OR. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. SO IT'S NOT JUST COMING OUT OF TAXPAYER MONEY. RIGHT. BUT THEN WOULDN'T THE STATE CONTROL, LIKE ANYONE FROM THE STATE, COULD USE THAT FACILITY? I'M TRYING TO DO IT FOR THE LOCAL PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. THAT'S THE NO, IT COULD IT COULD BE. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. THERE'S ALWAYS DIFFERENT. RIGHT. WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT. IT'S A GOOD THING TO CHECK OUT. OKAY. BUT I, YOU KNOW, ALONG YOUR THINKING I WOULD BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT THAN HAVING THE CITY OBVIOUSLY TRY TO OPEN SOMETHING UP AND MANAGE THAT. OH, NO, WE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. BUT I'M NOT ADVERSE TO HELPING SOMEONE LIKE THE SALVATION ARMY TO GET THAT DONE. SO THE NEXT IS AND I HAD ASKED THIS, AND IT NEVER REALLY CAME BACK TO ME THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO IT OR NOT. BUT AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY DEVELOPMENTS, BUT SHOULD THERE BE A DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN FOR THE 40% AFFORDABLE HOUSING? LAURA. THE AGREEMENT. YEAH. ANYTHING ON THAT ONE THAT WE WOULD BE NOTIFIED. YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED IT IN THE PAST AND YOU HAVE ASKED FOR CERTAIN THINGS TO BE INVOLVED IN IT. 
          AND I REMEMBER MEETING WITH YOU AND DISCUSSING THAT. AND WE HAVE A POTENTIAL APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, THE APARTMENTS BEHIND THE CAR DEALERSHIPS WE DO NOT HAVE WE'RE NOT AT THE STAGE OR AT THE POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE A LOWER AGREEMENT. THEY'RE STILL WORKING OUT PRE-APPLICATION TYPE STUFF, BUT THAT WILL PROBABLY BE OUR FIRST LIVE LOCAL IN LAURA AGREEMENT. 
          I HAVE A WORKING DRAFT THAT I PULLED UP WHEN YOU AND I MET. YES. AND AND SO I WAS IN A MEETING ON FRIDAY WITH OTHER CITY ATTORNEYS IN ORLANDO. AND IT CAME UP AND I HAD A FRIEND OF MINE ON THE WEST COAST WHO HAD TO DO SOME AGREEMENTS ALREADY, AND HE SENT ME A DRAFT IN PARTICULAR FOR CERTAIN REASONS, THINGS THAT HE PUT INTO IT. I'VE ASKED FOR OTHER CITIES FOR THEIR AGREEMENTS. SO I'M, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS BRAND NEW. CITY ATTORNEYS AROUND THE STATE ARE LEARNING AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. AND IN FACT, EVEN TALKING TO THE REACHING OUT TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, SHE HAD HER FIRST ONE THAT SHE'S DOING NOW. SO IT'S UN YOU KNOW, THIS IS UNCHARTED TERRITORY. TERRITORY AND AND YOU KNOW, HINDSIGHT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE 2020, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO ANTICIPATE EVERYTHING WE CAN BECAUSE SOME OF THE STUFF IS GOING TO BE DECADES DOWN THE ROAD THAT OUR SUCCESSORS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE THAT WILL HELP THEM ENFORCE OUR INTENTIONS. RIGHT. I KNOW YOU SPOKE ABOUT IT, SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE A 
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MISSTEP. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT BUT AGAIN, AND IS IT PROJECT ORIENTED? IT'S IT'S NOT LIKE HAVING A A MANDATE OR A, YOU KNOW, A RULING WITHIN OUR DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. THIS THE AGREEMENT IS SIGNED PER PROJECT IS THAT I MAY HAVE MISSED THAT WHEN WE WERE TALKING. IT'S IT'S JUST AS IF IT CAME BEFORE THE BOARD AND THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT ORDER LIKE A CPWD. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE DRAFTED JUST LIKE A DEVELOPMENT ORDER, EXCEPT IT HAS TO BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY. BUT YOUR LAURA IS GOING TO BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD, NOT ONE OFF FOR EACH ONE. THERE'S GOING TO BE VARIATIONS, I THINK. AND AND I'LL BE HONEST, IF IT I'M STILL DOING THIS TEN YEARS FROM NOW, TEN YEARS FROM NOW, THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LOT OF STUFF I'VE LEARNED THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED TO THE AGREEMENTS. I WISH I HAD THAT IN THEIR ABILITY TO UPDATE IT AS WE GO ALONG, AS WE LEARN. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AS FAR AS REPORTING AND SO FORTH. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO CAPTURE IN THE CURRENT DRAFT OF THE AGREEMENT. AND AGAIN, THIS IS ADMINISTRATIVELY IF IT'S NOT MET, WHAT'S THAT MECHANISM FOR CORRECT RECOURSE? I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S JUST LIKE A DEVELOPMENT ORDER WHEN YOU SEE OUR DEVELOPMENT. WE HAD TWO LAST NIGHT IN FIRST READINGS. AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CONDITIONS AND AND THERE ARE IF THERE'S A BREACH OF A CONDITION, WHAT'S THE RAMIFICATION. THAT'S ALL IN THOSE DEVELOPMENT ORDERS WE HAD BEFORE THE BOARD LAST NIGHT. 
          AND LIKEWISE IT'LL BE A SIMILAR IT'S JUST DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY. SO BECAUSE IT'S TIED TO THE THE PARTICULAR PROJECT AND COULD THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT JUST COMES UP IN THAT PRESENTATION FOR THAT PD FOR APPROVAL. BUT TO LIVE LOCAL POTENTIALLY ADMINISTRATIVE PROJECT. SO IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE EVER REALLY SEE OR HAVE FEEDBACK. NO. NO. RIGHT. AND THAT WAS WHAT MY THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE BYPASS THAT IT IS COMING DOWN THE PIKE. YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONER SHOULD BE ADVISED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GENERAL TERMS OF ALORA APPROPRIATE BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT TO BRING FORWARD TO US, OR THAT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S DONE ENTIRELY OUTSIDE OF. YEAH, I THINK IT'S IT'S PURELY ADMINISTRATIVE ADMINISTRATIVELY. RIGHT. AND AGAIN, I'VE MET WITH YOU ON THE LAURA AGREEMENT THAT I HAD AT THE TIME, AND I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO THAT WE MET, BUT I HAVE NOT FINALIZED ONE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE EDENMORE APARTMENTS YET. SO BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THERE YET. 
          OKAY, OKAY. DO WE EVEN GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT? I MEAN, YOU CAN REVIEW IT, BUT I MEAN, IT'S IT'S NOT COMING BEFORE THE BOARD. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BYPASSED. I KNOW, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          IT MAY NOT COME BEFORE US. WE MAY NOT HAVE AN OPTION TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC. 
          BUT WE ALL GET EMAILS AND WE GET CALLS. I DON'T WANT TO GET A CALL FROM SOMEBODY. DID YOU KNOW THEY'RE BUILDING SUCH AND SUCH AND I'M BLINDSIDED. YOU CAN ASK FOR A COPY OF IT, RIGHT? BUT I'M JUST SAYING WHEN WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN, IF THERE'S A MECHANISM THAT THEY COULD JUST SHOOT OUT AN EMAIL SAYING, WE'VE BEEN A LIVE LONG, WOULD IT BE AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN WOULD IT BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO PRESENT TO US ONCE YOU HAVE THAT CRAFTED, NOT FOR APPROVAL OR DISCUSSION, BUT AS A PRESENTATION? I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO BE ONE ON ONES WITH THE CITY MANAGER. OKAY. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT WITH. NO. YOU WERE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH ME, YOU KNOW? OKAY. BUT AS WE KEEP GOING THROUGH THIS, IT'S A NEW PROCESS FOR ALL OF US. WE JUST WANT TO BE AHEAD OF IT AND NOT CATCHING UP. WITH WHOEVER THE CITY MANAGER IS. THAT PERSON. SOMETHING BIG, LIKE A LAWYER? AGREEMENT WITH OVER A FEW HUNDRED. I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ALERTED THOUGH, SO. BUT I'M NOT IN YOUR ONE ON ONES WITH CITY MANAGER. OCCASIONALLY I AM, BUT SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS DISCUSS, BUT I ASSUME THAT WOULD BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION THAT PROBABLY AND WHOEVER FOR THAT ONE, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR YOU TO BE IN IN THAT CONVERSATION. RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AS WE HAVE THE INTERIM CITY MANAGERS, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT UP TO SPEED A LOT ON THE DEVELOPMENT STUFF. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALSO FREE TO DISCUSS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR ON SOME OF THIS STUFF AS WELL. AND. IN, YOU KNOW, IN CONNECTION WITH THIS IS THE AND I WAS ORIGINALLY TOLD WHEN I ASKED ABOUT IT THAT WE WE DON'T DO THAT. BUT I FOUND OUT THROUGH MY BEING ON THE MARTIN COUNTY BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AND I HAPPENED TO SAY IT AND I WAS CORRECTED IMMEDIATELY BY THE COUNTY SAYING, OH, NO, COUNTY DOES THAT. SO WE CAN DO IT TOO, WHICH IS TO MONITOR SOMEHOW KEEP TRACK OF THE FACT YOU BUILT THIS ON ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. YOU SAID YOU WOULD GIVE 40% OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WHO KNOWS THAT? WHO'S WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THAT? WHO'S KEEPING TRACK OF IT? YOU KNOW, THEY COULD NOT THEY COULD SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T RENTED ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR WE HAVE RENTED 10%. WE HAVE NO IDEA. IN THE CITY, IN THE COUNTY, THERE'S A MECHANISM THEY HAVE IN PLACE THAT IS THAT'S THE LAW, RIGHT? THEY 
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I'VE SPOKEN TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. SHE'S DOING HER FIRST LAWYER AGREEMENT. SO THEY'RE DOING IT NOW? WELL, THEY'RE CITY MANAGER. THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER SEEM TO THINK THEY HAD THAT PROCESS ALL IN PLACE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD. SO MAYBE NOT ON LIVE LOCAL BUT YOU KNOW, OTHER BUT WAS BASED ON THAT 40. IT WAS BASICALLY THE 40% AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHICH DOES IS LIVE LOCAL. THAT'S HOW THEY'RE DOING THE ADMINISTRATIVE. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS COUNTY ATTORNEY WAS WE HAD DISCUSSED WITHIN THE LAST MONTH OR SO SHE'S DOING HER FIRST LAW AGREEMENT. SO I DON'T THINK THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT. AND, AND SHE AND I WERE DISCUSSING BECAUSE WE WERE DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, THINGS, TERMS YOU WANT TO PUT IN THE AGREEMENT. OKAY. WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO BE CONSISTENT BEING THAT WE'RE IN THE COUNTY. 
          YEAH. YEAH. BUT LIKE I SAID, I'VE SPOKEN. I WAS MEETING NOT ON THIS ISSUE WITH CITY ATTORNEYS BECAUSE I'M ON A COMMITTEE WITH OTHER CITY ATTORNEYS THROUGHOUT FLORIDA. 
          AND AND IT CAME UP, HEY, HOW YOU GUYS DOING THE LAW AGREEMENTS. WELL, I'M GLAD EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT IT. DOESN'T YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT BLINDSIDED WHEN IT STARTS TO HAPPEN. AND AND THANK YOU. SURE. OKAY. SO I WANT TO CONTINUE TO FIND WAYS TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC. 
          I THINK WE HAVE SEEN MORE PARTICIPATION. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WATCH ONLINE. OF COURSE MIDDLE OF THE DAY IS ARE A LITTLE DIFFICULT. BUT I THINK LAST NIGHT WHEN WE DISCUSSED DOING THAT NET AND, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THAT UP THERE, I THINK THAT'LL JUST HAVE PEOPLE REALIZE WHO THAT PERSON IS. I MEAN, I KNOW THE GUY WHO PICKS UP MY GARBAGE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW JOSE WHO COMES AROUND AND FIXES THE GATE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S REALLY NICE TO GET THOSE PERSONAL FEELINGS TOWARD THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR YOU IN THE CITY. AND IT MAKES YOU REALIZE WHERE YOUR TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING. AND LAST NIGHT THERE WAS A LEAK, AND OUR ENGINEERING AND UTILITIES TEAM WAS UP TILL FOUR IN THE MORNING FIXING IT ALONG WITH OUR INTERIM MANAGER. SO I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE REALLY DON'T SEE. WE SEE THEM INTERNALLY. BUT I THINK IT'S NICE FOR PEOPLE TO REALIZE HOW OUR CITY DOES WORK. AND SO I THINK THAT'S GREAT AND I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE MORE OF THAT IS REACHING OUT TO THE PUBLIC JUST AS AN ISSUE. TODAY. I'VE GOTTEN CALLS FROM PEOPLE THAT AND THIS IS IN REGARDS TO THE ROAD CLOSING FOR BOATS, THE BOAT SHOW. AND SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS PEOPLE ARE BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC, ARE BLOCKING PEOPLE, BEING ABLE TO EXIT THEIR APARTMENTS OR HOMES OR MAIN ROADWAYS ONTO ONE. OKAY. SO MAYBE THE, THE MAYBE IF WE SPEAK TO THE CHIEF, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HE COULD DO, LIKE IN THE RUSH HOUR MORNINGS TOWARD THE NIGHT, THE LATE EVENINGS OR LATE AFTERNOONS WHEN PEOPLE ARE LEAVING WORK, AND THEN WHEN SCHOOLS AND WHATNOT IN THOSE TIMES HAVE POLICE PRESENCE SO THAT THEY CAN'T BE ROAD BLOCKAGE. YOU CAN'T BLOCK A PASSAGE FOR SOMEONE TO TRY AND GET ONTO ONE, YOU KNOW? SO MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO. AND I MEAN, WE'RE IN THE HEIGHT OF THE BOAT SHOW NOW, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BETTER NEXT YEAR. OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALL YOUR THINGS. THAT'S MY THINGS. I'LL GO THROUGH MINE. SO. ITEMS I WAS, I WAS INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT TALKING TO PEOPLE. ONE WOULD BE REFERENDUM ITEMS. SO WOULD YOU BE AGAINST WOULD YOU BE SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING THAT TWO ACRES NORTH OF THE BRIDGE BE PUT INTO CONSERVATION? YES, I THIS IS THE ONE BY OVER THE BRIDGE. THE RIGHT ON THE CORNER. YEAH. THAT TWO ACRES. 
          RIGHT. AND AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND I, I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD SOME THERE WAS SOME. 
          YEAH. THERE'S SOME BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THE SHOULD THE AGREEMENT READS THAT IT SHOULD I GUESS HOW YOU EVER TAKE THAT LEGALLY. BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE MANDATED THAT WE HAVE TO THE THAT'S THAT'S THE WHOLE ISSUE. I'D BE HAPPY TO INTERJECT ON THIS. SO WE HAVE TO AMEND THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY, WHICH THERE WAS AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD SET ASIDE THESE TWO ACRES AND DEVELOP IT COMMERCIALLY TO HELP PAY FOR THE REST OF THE THE CONSERVATION AREA. AND WE HAVE THAT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT REQUIRES US TO DO THAT IN ORDER TO FUND IT. NOW. SINCE THEN, WE'VE NOT HAD ANY PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD IN TEN YEARS. PLUS, THERE'S BEEN NO PROJECTS PROPOSED THAT'S BEEN SATISFACTORY TO THE BOARD. AND AND THERE MIGHT BE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH CERTAIN COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES, BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT'S BEEN CLOSE TO $1 MILLION JUST ON PREPPING A A TURNING LANE OFF OF US, ONE WHICH HAS BEEN PROHIBITED FROM PEOPLE WANTING TO DEVELOP IT, AND THEN THE LIMITED ONES THAT HAVE PROPOSED WERE NOT ACCEPTABLE, I GUESS, TO THE BOARD OR I WASN'T HERE, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. YES, BUT WE NEED TO AMEND THAT. 
          AND SO I DID SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, AND I SENT IT TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY LAST WEEK. OKAY. AND SHE WAS GOING TO SPEAK WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF ON IT 
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AND GET BACK TO ME. BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE BOTH BOARDS APPROVED THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, AGREEMENT AND AMENDMENT. AND MY PROPOSAL WAS THAT WE JUST TAKE THAT PORTION OUT AND AND THE TWO ACRES IS JUST COMBINED WITH THE REST. THE CITY STILL HAS THE REQUIREMENT TO TO FUND THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ENTIRE CONSERVATION AREA, WHICH WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH GENERAL FUNDS. AND I CONFIRMED WITH JOLIE THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR TEN PLUS YEARS ANYWAY, AND IT'S NOT BEEN A SIGNIFICANT COST. AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR AFTER TEN YEARS THAT ANYONE IS GOING TO STEP UP, PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY, INVEST $1 MILLION TO PUT IN A TURN LANE, RIGHT? SO WE MIGHT AS WELL UTILIZE IT AS PART OF OUR. SECURED AREA RECREATION AREA. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO HAVE IT JUST SIT THERE. AND WHEN IT CAME UP BEFORE YOU AND SEAN CAME ON, THERE WAS THE DESIRE TO PUT APARTMENTS THERE. AND THAT ENTIRE NORTH RIVER SHORES COMMUNITY WAS NOT HAPPY ABOUT THAT. SO I KNOW FROM THE RESIDENTS OVER THERE HAVING THAT JUST STAY, YOU KNOW, PART OF CANEY CREEK OVERALL WOULD BE PREFERABLE. OTHER REFERENDUM ITEM WOULD BE SAILFISH BALL FIELDS. SO THERE'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE A SWIMMING BRIGHT LINE COMES AND MAYBE EVEN IF IT DOESN'T A LOT OF PRESSURE I THINK OVER TIME. OR IT COULD BE QUICKLY TO HAVE SAILFISH BALL FIELDS BE DEVELOPED AND BECOME EITHER TRANSIT ORIENTED TYPE DEVELOPMENT OR IF THERE'S NO BRIGHT LINE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S A LOT OF LAND RIGHT THERE THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED INTO SOMETHING. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW, BUT SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS A LEGACY FOR MY TIME HERE IS THAT, THAT THAT SAILFISH BALL FIELDS BASICALLY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO REFERENDUM, AND VOTERS WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE IF THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED. I FEAR THAT IF THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE TONE OF THE COMMISSION, THAT THAT VERY WELL COULD HAPPEN VERY QUICKLY, AND WE COULD HAVE THAT PARK SPACE AND THAT PUBLIC SPACE BE LOST OR, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THE HISTORIC PARTS OF EAST STUART, I'M WONDERING IF THERE ARE A WAY THAT WE COULD SOMEHOW SECURE THAT BALLPARK AS A HISTORIC PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE PARK, BE A HISTORIC. IN EAST STUART HAS SO MUCH HISTORICAL PRESENCE THAT MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE A WAY TO DO THAT. AND IF WE COULDN'T DO ALL OF IT, WE COULD AT LEAST MAYBE SECURE PART OF IT. BUT IF YOU JUST HAD TO GO TO REFERENDUM TO BE DEVELOPED, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY VOTES FOR THAT. NO, I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THAT HEDGE AND EVEN IF YOU MADE A HISTORIC, THERE COULD PROBABLY BE SOME KIND OF WORKAROUND. OH, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOMETHING GO TO REFERENDUM IS THE STRONGEST HEDGE TO PROTECT FROM OFF THE RAILS POLITICIAN. OKAY. WOULD YOU BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT? YES, ABSOLUTELY. THE THING AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT PERTAINS TO OUR LOCAL REFERENDUMS, I KNOW STATEWIDE WE CANNOT REALLY EITHER PRO OR CON AN AMENDMENT TO THE STATE CONSTITUTION OR ANYTHING. IS THAT ALSO, LEE, WOULD YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S WE'RE RESTRICTED HERE IN THE CITY FOR THAT? LIKE WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PROMOTE THE REFERENDUM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, GIVE I MEAN, IT HAS TO BE WORDED CORRECTLY AND LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THAT REFERENDUM WILL DO GOING FORWARD. SO, I MEAN, WOULD WE HAVE THE ABILITY FROM THE DAIS, FROM THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO PROMOTE THAT REFERENDUM? WELL, THE REFERENDUM LANGUAGE WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD. RIGHT? OKAY. AND SO THERE WOULD BE LANGUAGE THAT THEY VOTE ON. AND THEN THERE'S AN EXPLANATION. YOU KNOW HOW WHEN YOU GET SOME WHAT WHEN YOU VOTE ON SOMETHING, THERE'S THE ACTUAL QUESTION AND THEN THERE'S AN EXPLANATION. AND SO THERE WOULD BE TWO COMPONENTS THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION OKAY. BUT YOU CANNOT. BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          ADVOCATE FOR. YES. OR WE COULDN'T ADVOCATE FOR THE AMENDMENT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT GOES ON TO THE BALLOT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T LOBBY, YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T LOBBY OR ADVERTISE. RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO BUT YOU CAN WE JUST HAVE TO WORD IT PROPERLY. YEAH. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, I THINK THE MOST PEOPLE IN STUART WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE THAT DEVELOPED INTO SELFISH. BUT I WORRY, I WORRY A BRIGHT LINE GOES THERE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT CHANGES BECAUSE IT'S SO VALUABLE. WELL, CONSIDERING WHAT HAPPENED TO FORT LAUDERDALE, BRIGHTLINE MIGHT JUST SELL IT. WITH REGARD TO BRIGHTLINE, ONE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS. I'VE BROUGHT IT UP A COUPLE TIMES, BUT WOULD YOU BE SUPPORTIVE OF REVIEWING THAT PARCEL IN THE PARKING IMPLICATIONS, SPECIFICALLY THE COURTHOUSE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND HOW THAT COMBINES WITH 
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BRIGHTLINE TAKING UP THAT PARKING, AND YOU WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT GOING TO LOOK AT THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO DO A DEEP DIVE ON THAT BEFORE ANYTHING GETS APPROVED SO IT DOESN'T LOOK REACTIVE. WELL, I DON'T KNOW, CONSIDERING THAT THEY'RE IN LITIGATION WITH FEC OVER THE RAILS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT I BELIEVE WE SHOULD DO A BIG, YOU KNOW, A DEEP DIVE AND MAKE SURE WE'RE PREPARED SHOULD THEY SOMEHOW FIND FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD. IT WAS BROUGHT UP LAST NIGHT BY LUKE LATHAM, BUT THE WILLOUGHBY EXTENSION, ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE OF BRINGING THAT UP FOR CONVERSATION POTENTIALLY FOR A NO BUILD LETTER TO THE MPO OR FDOT? I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. AS I MENTIONED LAST NIGHT, I HAD BECOME I'D BEEN KEEPING IN TOUCH WITH TWO OF THE MAIN PEOPLE ON THAT FDOT PROGRAM THAT HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH IT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. THEY HAVE SINCE BEEN REMOVED. SO, AND I SHOULDN'T SAY REMOVED, THEY'VE BEEN REPLACED. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS OF FDOT THAT JUST MOVING THEM ON. BUT WHATEVER IT IS, THOSE PEOPLE WHO KNOW THE HISTORY HAVE WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY, THEY ARE NO LONGER THERE. SO NOW IT'S STARTING A WHOLE NEW RELATIONSHIP, AND I'M GOING TO REACH OUT TO THE TWO PEOPLE THAT I DO KNOW AND ASK THEM WHO REPLACED THEM AND WHAT IS THE CONTACT INFORMATION, AND START TO DO THAT. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE NO BUILD IS THE WAY TO GO. IN TERMS OF SPRAYING AND POND MANAGEMENT. WE HAD HAD JOE GIGLIO, THERE WAS A PILOT PROGRAM AT THE WALTON CREEK POND. JOE GIGLIO DID A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT SECTIONS WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF MANAGEMENT IN TERMS OF MECHANICAL WEED REMOVAL, SPRAYING, INTERPLANTING. AND HE PROVIDED THOSE RESULTS AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN KIND OF DIED. SO I DON'T KNOW IF INTERNALLY THERE WAS A LOT OF SUPPORT, MAYBE NOT FROM THE BOARD, BUT MANAGEMENT. YES. SO WHAT I WANTED TO SEE IS IF YOU WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF US LOOKING AT NEXT STEPS TO AVOID SPRAYING, WHETHER IT BE A REAL LOOK AT WHAT THE COST OF MECHANICAL REMOVAL AND INTERPLANTING MIGHT BE. AND I THINK THAT HE HAS ALSO HE HAS HAVE HE HAS NEW AVENUES TO REVIEW. HE'S HE'S DID A PRESENTATION HERE IN, IN THIS ROOM AND PEOPLE ATTENDED I ATTENDED I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T REMEMBER IF YOU WERE THERE OR NOT, BUT YOU KNOW, HE'S JUST KEEPS COMING UP WITH NEW WAYS TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. 
          I THINK WHAT HAPPENED THE LAST TIME IS I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT DIED. I THINK SEVERAL OF US WERE IN SUPPORT OF HAVING A FORWARD, MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO LEAVE SOME THINGS AND SEE HOW THEY WENT. AND THEN THE NEXT THING I KNEW, THE OFFICE GAVE A CONTRACT TO SOMEONE. SO YOU WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF TAKING A LOOK AT THAT AND HIS RECOMMENDATIONS AND LOOKING AT RIGHT LOOKING AT THEM AGAIN, HAVING, YOU KNOW, HAVING HIM SEE WHAT MIGHT IT BE UPGRADED AT THIS POINT BECAUSE HE HAS SOME NEW AVENUES HE'S EXPLORING. SO THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS TOO, IS THE RATE INCREASES FOR STAFF. SO ONE OF THOSE. REALLY DRAMATIC CHANGES THAT CAN HAPPEN IN OUR BUDGET COMES WITH THE COLA INCREASES. IT IS PRETTY. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT ANCHORED TO ANYTHING TANGIBLE. WHETHER IT'S TRULY COST OF LIVING BASED ON CPI, IT REALLY IS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY MANAGER. WHAT THE OVERALL STAFF, INCLUDING US, THE RATE INCREASE IS FOR THAT STEP EACH YEAR. I DID NOT I WAS NOT FULLY AWARE OF THIS, BUT OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS WE WENT, WE HAD SEVEN AND 10% INCREASES RESPECTIVELY EACH YEAR. SO I THINK SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER, AND YOU CAN TELL ME IF YOU AGREE, IS THAT THAT REALLY COMES FORWARD WITH TRANSPARENCY IN A PUBLIC HEARING AS A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM THAT WE CAN REVIEW AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IT'S ANCHORED TO SOME RATIONAL REASON, YOU KNOW, BEYOND WHAT JUST THE AND AGAIN, I TRUST STAFF, I TRUST MANAGERS. BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING FOR FISCAL OVERSIGHT AND THEN FOR PUBLIC REVIEW. YOU KNOW, SO PEOPLE ARE AWARE THAT THE CITY HAS A CLEAR PRESENTATION ON AND THEN ULTIMATELY VOTES TO APPROVE ON ITS OWN BECAUSE IT IS A AGAIN, IT'S HOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE MANAGER RATES LAST NIGHT. THAT IS HOW YOU GO FROM 225 TO 285 AND YOU GET 7%, AND THEN YOU GET 10% NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW. SO 
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IF THE IF THERE IS A RATIONAL REASON TO DO THAT, AND THERE MAY BE HAVING THAT CLEARLY PRESENTED TO US AND TO THE PUBLIC. AND WHY, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING TO MY AWARENESS THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST AND FOR FISCAL OVERSIGHT. I DO THINK THAT THAT'S A REALLY BIG DEAL. AND IT CAN'T JUST BE, YOU KNOW, IN THE BACK AT THE DISCRETION OF THE MANAGER IS MY IS MY OPINION. HOW DO YOU FEEL? WELL, TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, I'VE NEVER BEEN IN THE MUNICIPALITY OF NEVER BEEN IN THAT PAY SYSTEM. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. YOU KNOW, I'VE LIVED IN THE CORPORATE WORLD WHERE IT'S BASED ON MERIT. IT'S BASED ON AN ANNUAL REVIEW. NOW, THIS PARTICULAR INCREASE IS OVER AND ABOVE AN ANNUAL REVIEW AND A RAISE. I MEAN, I'M I'M KIND OF CONFUSED. SO THE WHAT WHAT HAPPENED IS THE MANAGER WILL LOOK AT COST OF LIVING AND MAYBE IT'S 3%, 4%, 5% YOU EACH YEAR. IF IT'S POSSIBLE IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE THERE'S BEEN NO PERCENT INCREASE. BUT AS IT'S APPROPRIATE AND BASED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE ECONOMY, YOU WILL SEE EACH YEAR AN INCREASE OF STAFF ACROSS THE BOARD. SO IT'S NOT IT'S JUST ACROSS THE BOARD. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE NEED TO ANCHOR IT TO A PARTICULAR THING IT DOESN'T NEED, BECAUSE CPI COULD BE 9%. MAYBE THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT'S SO HIGH. AND BUT BUT IF THAT IF THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN I DO THINK THERE SHOULD BE MORE TRANSPARENCY. WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING IT. THERE SHOULD BE A RATIONALE FOR WHY. AND ULTIMATELY I THINK THE THE COMMISSION SHOULD BE APPROVING THAT AS AN INDIVIDUAL ITEM, SINCE IT DOES HAVE SUCH A BROAD IMPACT ACROSS THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE BUDGET. YES. YEAH. I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT. I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE AWARE. I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. I KNOW, YEAH, I WAS NOT AWARE. IN FACT, I DID MAKE MENTION WHEN WE WERE DOING THE MILL, THE MILLAGE RATE. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, BUT I WANTED TO FOREGO ANY RAISE THAT MIGHT BE STANDARD WITHIN THE SYSTEM, BECAUSE I PERSONALLY DON'T FEEL THAT YOU CAN SIT AND CUT BUDGETS AND DO THOSE THINGS AND THEN TAKE A RACE FOR YOURSELF. 
          I MEAN, THAT TO ME IS JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE. SO I DID MAKE A MENTION TO MIKE PERSONALLY AND SAID TO HIM, IF I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYWHERE WHERE IT'S JUST AN AUTOMATIC OR WHATEVER, THAT I DID NOT WANT IT. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, BUT I PERSONALLY WOULD FOREGO THAT TO ME, THAT THAT'S NOT SO. YOU WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF OF BRINGING THAT UP AND POTENTIALLY HAVING THAT BE EACH BUDGET CYCLE AND AGENDA. YES. YOU KNOW, UNIQUE. OKAY. SO INCLUDE IN THE BUDGET. YEAH. AS A SEPARATE ITEM IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A RATE INCREASE, YOU KNOW, PRESENTATION ON IT IN A SEPARATE VOTE VERSUS JUST THE CITY MANAGER DOING THAT AT THEIR DISCRETION. SO HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT BACKYARD HENS. THIS IS THE THE CONTENTIOUS ITEM. 
          BUT I WANTED TO TALK TO EVERYBODY ABOUT IT OKAY. SO I, I'M A LITTLE PREJUDICED. MY SISTER IN LAW HAS CHICKENS AND I LOVE THOSE EGGS. OF COURSE SHE HAS LIKE TWO ACRES OF LAND. 
          I THINK A LOT OF IT, IF YOU'RE IN A, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FOOTAGE WOULD BE, BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CRITERIA AS TO WHAT AMOUNT OF PROPERTY YOU HAVE TO HAVE. YOU KNOW, A CHICKEN COOP. THERE WAS A PREVIOUS ORDINANCE THAT WAS ALL SET UP, AND IT LAID OUT HAVING IT IN SINGLE FAMILY HOME DESIGNATION. I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT IT WOULD BE FOUR HENS OR FIVE HENS OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND THAT. 
          THE THE RUN HAD TO BE SO MANY FEET OFF THE FENCE. IT WAS ALL ORGANIZED AND LAID OUT. WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS IT SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE AGAINST? ARE YOU FOR IF IF YOU'RE I'M FOR IT FOR LIMITED WAYS. BECAUSE HONESTLY AND I HAD A HOME UP IN CONNECTICUT. I MISS MY GARDEN. 
          I MISS HAVING FRESH VEGETABLES AND ALL OF THAT. SO I THINK THAT IN THIS DAY AND AGE, WHERE THERE'S SO MANY CHEMICALS AND EVERYTHING WE EAT AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU MUST HAVE HAD, I MEAN, I HAVE THEM WHEN I GO HOME. FRESH EGGS. I MEAN, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO REFRIGERATE THEM. I MEAN, YOU JUST SIT ON THE COUNTER FOR A WEEK OR TWO IF THEY LAST THAT LONG. SO I THINK FOR A HOMEOWNER TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE SPACE, TO HAVE CHICKENS, HAVE GROW THEIR OWN GARDENS, GROW THEIR OWN FOOD, I THINK THAT THAT IS IMPORTANT. SO AGAIN, WITHIN LIMITATIONS OF WHERE THEY ARE IN RELATION TO THEIR NEIGHBORS. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL OF WHEN YOU GET CHICKENS IS YOU COULD WIND UP WITH A ROOSTER IN THE GROUP, WHICH THEN BECOMES A DIFFERENT ISSUE FOR YOUR NEIGHBORS. 
          BELIEVE THAT NOISE INCLUDED? NO. YES. YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW, MY SISTER IN LAW HAS BOUGHT THEM. 
          YOU GET THEM ACTUALLY AS CHICKS IN THE MAIL FROM FEDEX. YES. YOU KNOW, AND YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A ROOSTER TILL A LITTLE BIT LATER. AND SO YOU THEN HAVE TO TRY TO GET WELL. SHE HAS ENOUGH LAND. IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE LIVING NEXT TO A ROOSTER. SO THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT IN THERE THAT NO ROOSTERS, THEY MAKE 
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NOISE EARLY IN THE MORNING. GOT IT. YEAH. IN TERMS OF NEXT, NEXT ITEM WOULD BE HALF CENT SALES TAX PRIORITIES. I'M WITH YOU IN TERMS OF ACQUIRING LAND PARTICULARLY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO RUTH ABOUT THE FLORIDA STATUTES RELATIVE TO HOW WE CAN SPEND THE MONEY. I HAVE NOT YOU SHOULD. OKAY. AND SHE SHOULD PROBABLY DO A PRESENTATION FOR ALL OF US. OH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DIFFERENT IDEAS, INCLUDING STORMWATER DRAINAGE, THINGS WERE BEING THROWN AROUND THAT AREN'T ACTUALLY APPROPRIATE FOR FLORIDA STATUTE. BUT FROM MY RECOLLECTION, LEE, DO YOU REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? NO, BUT SHE DID GIVE ME THE PRINTOUT. I I'LL TRY TO SUMMARIZE IT AS I REMEMBER IT'S MORE LENIENT FOR US THAN THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY IS MORE RESTRICTED ON WHAT CAN BE USED. YES, I REMEMBER THAT WE HAD A LITTLE MORE LEEWAY THAN THE COUNTY DID. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, ACQUIRING LAND FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSERVATION, RECREATION. 
          YOU COULD ALSO USE IT TOWARDS ENVIRONMENTAL TYPE PROJECTS, WHICH IS WHAT RUTH WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN RELATIVE TO WATER QUALITY, YOU KNOW, AND THESE KINDS OF THINGS. BUT I WAS GOING TO SAY I WAS I'M VERY MUCH WITH YOU SPECIFICALLY WITH ACQUIRING LAND FOR THE PURPOSE OF GREEN SPACE AND PARKS, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE OVER TIME, YOU KNOW IT. THERE'S GOING TO BE SO MUCH DEMAND FOR LAND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE CARVED OUT POCKET PARKS LIKE WE DO NOW. 
          YES. WHERE THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY. YEAH. SO, SO THE FIRST PART IS TO INVESTIGATE WHERE THOSE PROPERTIES ARE. BUT I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE COULD UTILIZE SOME OF THAT MONEY FOR ENVIRONMENTAL AND WATER QUALITY. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. AND IF RUTH IS AMENABLE, I THINK THAT CERTAINLY IF SHE CAN PUT TOGETHER I MEAN, YOU OBVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT IT. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OTHER SUBJECTS, HER AND I, I THINK SHE MIGHT BE PLANNING ON DOING A PRESENTATION FOR US. IT JUST DIDN'T COME UP LAST. OKAY. MAYBE NEXT TIME. YEAH. WHENEVER. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR HER TO INCLUDE WHAT OPTIONS WE HAVE TO UTILIZE THAT MONEY FOR, YOU KNOW, WATER QUALITY, ENVIRONMENTAL THAT THAT WOULD BE GREAT. MY OTHER MY OTHER INTEREST FOR THAT ALONG THOSE LINES WAS THAT BAKER CREEK, CANEY CREEK TRAILHEAD THAT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED. TIM VOLKERS, WHO WAS THE UTILITIES HEAD A FEW YEARS AGO. I REMEMBER THE NAME. HE CREATED ALL OF THE LAYOUT FOR. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN OVER TO KIPLINGER PARK? IT'S LIKE A NATURAL TRAIL. IT'S VERY PASSIVE. I'VE READ ABOUT IT, I'VE SEEN, BUT I'VE NOT BEEN THERE. VERY LITTLE MANAGEMENT. THERE'S A FEW BOARDWALKS, BUT IT'S BASICALLY TRAIL THROUGH THIS. AT THE BASE OF VETERANS MEMORIAL BRIDGE. BUT SOMETHING TO THIS EFFECT WHERE THERE'S THERE IS A PARKING LOT THERE. THERE'S A TRAILHEAD, BUT IT MAKES IT ACCESSIBLE FOR FAMILIES. THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE KIDS AND WALK PASSIVELY THROUGH TRAIL AND BOARDWALK WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE WET, YOU KNOW, AND THEN COME LOOP BACK KIND OF A THING WOULD WOULD BE A GOAL OF MINE AND I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR, YOU KNOW, UTILIZING PROPERTY. I JUST CAME BACK I FOOD OR A OR I GOT I GOT THE LANGUAGE. THERE HE IS. FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. WHAT DO YOU GOT LEE. MUNICIPALITIES MAY ONLY SPEND THEIR SHARE OF THE SURTAX REVENUES TO FINANCE, PLAN AND CONSTRUCT INFRASTRUCTURE AND TO ACQUIRE LAND FOR PUBLIC RECREATION, CONSERVATION OR PROTECTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 212 .055 OF FLORIDA STATUTES. SO SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS AROUND INVESTING MILLIONS INTO STORMWATER, IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR A STATUTE. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH. EVEN WITH THE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH THERE'S NOT A TON OF A TON OF STORMWATER PROBLEM. SO BUT HAVING THAT HAVING CONSERVATION LAND FOR RECREATION IS VERY CONSISTENT, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT STATUTE. SO THAT WAS I'M GLAD YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. THANK YOU LEE, IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE, CAN I JUST HAVE A COPY OF THAT. 
          SURE. THANKS. OR IS IT ON THE WEBSITE OR. NO, I DON'T. MISS HOLMES GAVE ME A COPY OF THIS. 
          SO. AND IT. SO WE HAVE SOMETHING. ALRIGHT. I CAN MAKE A COPY WHAT I HAVE. OKAY, SO I HAVEN'T ATTENDED SHAWN'S CLASS YET ON HOW TO NAVIGATE THE THE WEBSITE SO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SHAWN REED YEAH, THE TOWN HALL. YEAH I KNOW CAN'T BE THERE. I KNOW I HEARD AND I'M LIKE, I REALLY NEED INSTRUCTION. SO FUTURE CITY HALL SITE. SO THE WELLS FARGO SITE, WHAT HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT DO YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE SITE AND WHAT THEY WERE PLANNING ON DOING A LITTLE BIT? NOT MUCH. I CAN'T SAY THAT I'M VERY INFORMED ON THAT. I IT HAD, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, A FEW DIFFERENT PROPOSALS OF WILDLY DIFFERENT SCALE AND DENSITY OF THING. THE MOST INTENSIVE INCLUDED A PARKING GARAGE AND LIKE WRAPPING AROUND APARTMENTS 
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AND THINGS ALL AROUND WELLS FARGO, YOU KNOW, FOUR STORY MAX THAT SORT OF AUGMENTED INTO FOUR STORY APARTMENTS BUT LESS DENSE. AND FOR EACH ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS GETTING, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PET PROJECT COMPONENTS OF IT. AND, AND RIGHT NOW AS IT SITS, YOU HAVE WELLS, A PARKING LOT AND THEN THAT GREEN SPACE. I WAS CURIOUS WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE FOR THAT SPACE. IF IT DOES BECOME APARTMENTS OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS, WE WOULD ALREADY BE LOCKED IN BECAUSE WE HAD WHAT? WHAT IS THE TECHNICAL WORDING? LEE'S GONE. WE WE PUT OUT I BELIEVE IT'S AN RFP RELATIVE TO THAT APARTMENT PROJECT IN THE PAST, WHICH WAS RESPONDED TO. 
          AND ALL OF THOSE PLANS CAME IN FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IF WE DID SOMETHING OTHER THAN THAT, WE WOULDN'T BE BOUND TO THAT DIRECTION. OKAY. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT LOCKED INTO THAT. 
          RIGHT? I IF WE WERE GOING TO BUILD APARTMENTS THERE, WE WOULD HAVE TO. DO YOU KNOW WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED? I DON'T REALLY ENVISION APARTMENTS THERE. I DON'T SEE BUILDING. THIS BUILDING HAS A LOT OF STRUCTURAL PROBLEMS. BUT WE ARE A SMALL TOWN. WE ARE A SMALL CITY. SO I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE LOOK OF THE WELLS FARGO BUILDING. BUT WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO REBUILD A BUILDING. SO THE BEST THAT WE COULD WORK AND MAKE IT ESTHETICALLY APPEALING. I, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF LOOKING AT THAT APARTMENTS. NO, I HAVE NO. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULD GIVE COMMISSIONERS LITTLE PET PROJECTS WITHIN THAT. YEAH. 
          THAT TO ME IS BECAUSE HE WANTED THE RFP SOLUTION TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. NO, NO. WOULD YOU BE HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT PRESERVING THAT GREEN SPACE THAT IS THERE CURRENTLY AS PARK? SO YOU HAVE THE WELLS FARGO SITE. YOU HAVE THE PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, THE SURFACE PARKING, HAVING THAT EXISTING GREEN SPACE WHERE WE KNOCK THAT BUILDING DOWN, SORT OF BEING EXTENSION OF MEMORIAL PARK. WHAT DO YOU THINK? OBVIOUSLY DEVELOPED WITH, I DON'T KNOW, GAZEBOS OR WOODWORK OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. WHERE EMPLOYEES COULD ALSO BENEFIT FROM GOING OUTSIDE, SITTING THERE UNDER THE GAZEBO, HAVING LUNCH OR WHATEVER I THINK. YEAH, MULTI USE FOR THAT. ALSO TO HEDGE IT FROM BECOMING RIGHT AN APARTMENT AND BECAUSE YOU YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THREE SLOWER GROWTH PEOPLE UP HERE. BUT THAT'S NOT SET TO HAPPEN REALLY UNTIL LIKE 28. YOU KNOW SO VERY WELL YOU COULD HAVE A BATCH OF HUMANS COME IN HERE THAT WANTS TO BUILD APARTMENT. RIGHT. SO IF YOU IF YOU HOW DO WE STOP IT FROM BEING AN APARTMENT? I, I'M ALL IN FAVOR. YOU WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. OKAY. SO YOU WOULD PUT IT. IF YOU WANTED IT TO BE A PARK, YOU WOULD DESIGNATE IT AS A PARK. IF YOU WANTED IT TO BE TOWNHOUSES OR A COMMERCIAL, YOU WOULD PUT OUT AN RFP FOR THAT AND YOU WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH IT BEFORE. OKAY. SO I LIKE THAT IDEA. AS FAR AS THE PARKING, IT WOULD ALSO BE PARKING AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE COMING TO DOWNTOWN. AND THERE'S ALWAYS PARKING PROBLEMS. SO THERE WOULD BE PARKING THAT THEN BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY PARK THAT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY, AND MAKING IT SO THAT THE EMPLOYEES BENEFIT FROM THAT. I AGREE. YEAH, I LIKE THAT IDEA. SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD MOVE THAT FORWARD TO GET, YOU KNOW, A SKETCH AND WHAT WE'D HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER TO TO DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SO LESS INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT. 
          YES. LESS INTENSIVE. AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT A PARKING GARAGE. BUT I THINK YOU HAVE ENOUGH SURFACE PARKING THERE THAT COULD SERVE MEMORIAL PARK. EVEN THE AMPHITHEATER, ESPECIALLY IF SOME OF THE PARKING IS RETAINED BEHIND THE COURTHOUSE, YOU KNOW, FOR LARGER VENUES WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE A GARAGE THERE. RIGHT. AND MAYBE MAKE THE PARKING. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN TO PLACES WHERE IT'S OPEN PARKING, BUT THERE'S I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD CALL THEM. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A I'LL HAVE TO TAKE A PICTURE THE NEXT TIME I GO. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF COVERAGE. IT ISN'T. IT'S MORE ESTHETICALLY PLEASING THAN LOOKING AT JUST AN OPEN PARKING LOT WITH STRIPED. SO BEAUTIFICATION. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU LEE. THANK YOU LEE I APPRECIATE IT. RIGHT. SO SOMETHING THAT ESTHETICALLY WILL LOOK NICE. SOME SHADE TREES AND SHADE TREES. YOU KNOW, THE NEXT TIME I'M THE LAST TIME I SAW SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'LL TAKE A PICTURE. I LIKE THAT WHOLE IDEA BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST YOU'RE WALKING INTO A BLANK AREA. IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, SPACES ARE MARKED OUT AND IT'S JUST NOT APPEALING. WE CAN MAKE THEM MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE. OKAY. AND THEN I'M ON THAT LINE. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS BUILDING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION. OKAY. YEAH. YOU KNOW, WE'RE RIGHT ON THE RIVER. THIS IS A IT WOULD JUST ALMOST BE A CONTINUATION OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS NOW. SO RIGHT NOW I'M ON THE MAIN STREET BOARD. 
          SO WE HAD ASKED OH GOOD. YES, WE HAD ASKED CANDACE TO POST A PRESENTATION IN THE NEAR FUTURE AS SHE GETS SOME OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PLANS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, 
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CURRENT AND MAYBE PAST PLANS FOR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO HERE. AND THOSE PLANS HAVE RANGED IN SCALE FROM VERY MINIMAL ALL THE WAY UP. I'VE SEEN SOME OF THOSE PLANS. YEAH. I'M NOT. YEAH. SEE HOTELS HERE AND BRIDGES FOR BRIGHT LINE AND THINGS LIKE THIS. SO SO GENERALLY WHAT WHAT WOULD BE YOUR VISION FOR WHAT HAPPENS HERE. BECAUSE THAT CAN HELP EVEN CANDACE PART PART OF ME WANTING TO DO THIS IS SO SHE CAN LISTEN AND AND HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND AND I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, YEAH, I THINK THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT WHEN SOMEONE COMES DOWNTOWN AND THEY TAKE THAT LITTLE WALK AND THEY WIND UP WALKING BEHIND US, IT WOULD ALL BE INCORPORATED INTO OPEN SPACE OR MAYBE, AGAIN, GAZEBOS, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS FROM IT. THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT EXTENDING OSCEOLA STREET, YOU KNOW, AND HAVING SORT OF A COMMERCIAL THAT'S OVER HERE EXTENDING THIS WAY MORE. WHEN IT WAS BRIGHT LINE, IT WAS POSSIBLE BRIGHT LINE WOULD BE OVER HERE. BUT I THINK SHORT OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN PARK SPACE AND YOU KNOW, YEAH, WOODWORK INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND HERE I THINK PEOPLE ARE DISPLAY OF BEAUTIFUL ARTWORK. YOU NEED TO HAVE ALMOST TO YOUR POINT OVER AT WELLS FARGO, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE PARKING LOT BE BEAUTIFIED AND NICE, BUT NOT LOSING YOUR SURFACE PARKING, ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT, PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO LOSE THEIR MINDS, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. YEAH, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THOSE. I WAS LIKE, WHAT? YOU KNOW, WHEN I SAW THE ONE WITH THE HOTEL AND I'M LIKE, NO, NO, NO, I MEAN, WE CAN'T BE. I MEAN, JUST FROM THE WATER LEVEL. WE CAN'T BE ADDING, YOU KNOW, HOTELS, BATHROOMS, FLUSHING. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE SAINT LUCIE RIVER, WHICH IS ALREADY DIMINISHED AND HAVING PROBLEMS. SO WE DON'T WANT TO ADD TO THAT. YEAH, I LIKE THAT IDEA. I THINK WE GOT THROUGH ALL MY STUFF FOR THE MINUTE TO SPARE. YEAH. I SEE YOU IS HERE. SHE'S WAITING. ALL RIGHT. ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING. AND I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR FOR THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. 
          AND THANK YOU, LEE. THANK YOU SUSIE, HAVE MUCH APPRECIATED PROCEDURALLY. SHOULD I CLOSE THE MEETING AND OPEN A NEW ONE OR. OKAY, SO WE'LL TAKE A FIVE S HERE AND COMMISSIONER CLERK HERE. AND LET'S SEE HERE. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? I HAVE NONE, MAYOR. OKAY, OKAY. LET'S GET INTO DISCUSSION. OKAY, GOOD. SO YOU'VE DONE THESE MEETINGS IN THE PAST. SO YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS. MY PURPOSE IS TO GET A SENSE OF YOUR POLICY GOALS FOR THE NEXT YEAR. AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR FEEDBACK IS FROM RESIDENTS AND THE PEOPLE YOU'RE TALKING TO, OR WHAT PRIORITIES ARE CRA INCLUDED. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU THINK AND HOW THEY SHOULD BE RANKED SO WE CAN GET AS MUCH DONE AS POSSIBLE. SO IF YOU WANT TO LEAD OFF, IF YOU'VE GOT A LIST IDEAS, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH MINE TOO. ABSOLUTELY. YOU WANT ME TO GO FIRST? YEAH. FANTASTIC. OKAY, EASY. EASY PEASY. SO LET'S SEE WHERE WE. YEAH, YEAH. WE'LL SEE WHERE WE AGREE AND DISAGREE. YOU KNOW, AND EVEN IN DETAIL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU LIKE THE IDEA OF A THING BUT UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS. I WOULD LOVE TO GET CONTEXT FROM YOU IN ADVANCE TO TRY TO HELP BE EFFICIENT. OKAY. 
          SO REFERENDUM ITEMS THAT'S WHERE I STARTED OFF LAST TIME. I'LL GIVE YOU SOME. THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT I WAS INTERESTED IN. AND THEN IF YOU HAD SOME ME WRITE THAT DOWN, YOU COULD FIRE. 
          I HAD AN IDEA ABOUT TRYING TO ASK, OF COURSE, JOLIE ISN'T HERE, BUT I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE ON THE QUOTE UNQUOTE FIRE TAX. AND IF THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, PROBABLY THAT. AND OF COURSE, WE'VE ALWAYS COME UP WITH IT WAS AN ISSUE ON REFERENDUM ITEM WITH REGARD TO, YOU KNOW, THE LEASES FOR THE ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE WATERWAY. AND THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OKAY, SO GO ON WITH YOUR REFERENDUM. YEAH. 
          YEAH. NO IT'S GOOD I HOPE THE JAR MORE MORE OF THESE THINGS OUT OF YOU OKAY. SO SOMETHING THAT CAME UP I DIDN'T ACTUALLY I'M COMING FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. I LEFT ALL MY STUFF SOMEWHERE ELSE. IT'S OKAY. BUT YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS LONG ENOUGH THAT I THINK IF I START TALKING, YOU'LL HAVE A LIST. OKAY? OKAY. NOT WORRIED THAT YOU NEEDED A LIST HERE. SO MY TWO ITEMS WERE THE TWO ACRES NORTH OF THE BRIDGE. OKAY. I WANT TO SEE THAT IN CONSERVATION. WOULD YOU SUPPORT THAT? ARE YOU AGAINST IT? IF YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW. ARE YOU OKAY HAVING THAT GO TO REFERENDUM? IF NOT, I UNDERSTAND CONSERVATION. I KNOW THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT 
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IT, WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD HAVE. A PATH, COUPLE OF PATHS INTO IT, WHETHER IT'S OFF OF WHICH IS AT BAKER ROAD, RIGHT. ONE OF THOSE ROADS. YEP. EXACTLY. BAKER. MAYBE US ONE. 
          AND HOW IT WORKS, WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS AN THAT THAT US ONE PARCEL WOULD BE JUST SORT OF STUCK IN INTO THE REST OF THE HANEY CREEK WITHOUT BEING DEVELOPED. AND THEN ON BAKER, WHICH TWO SEPARATE THINGS, BUT ON BAKER, THAT WOULD BE A TRAILHEAD INTO THAT PARK AS, AS. 
          YEAH. AND THAT WAS, LIKE KIPLINGER, MORE OF A PASSIVE, NATURAL, YOU KNOW, VERY LITTLE INFRASTRUCTURE AND MANAGEMENT. RIGHT? I KNOW, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST I'VE VERY MUCH SUPPORTED TRYING TO DO HOUSING THERE. I KNOW SOME HOUSING THERE. IF IT IF WE WERE IF, IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS AS TO INCLUDE IT IN THE PARK, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AGAINST IT IN TERMS OF THE INGRESS AND EGRESS AND HOW DEVELOPED IT BECOMES IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, WHATEVER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO THERE OFF OF BAKER AS AN ACTIVITY. YEAH. SO EITHER IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY. CRUSADE PARK WAS JUST VERY. YES. MEDITATION WALKING. HAVE YOU BEEN AT THE KIPLINGER PARK AT THE BASE OF VETERANS? SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I'VE WALKED FROM TENOR HIGHWAY ALL THE WAY TO THE RIVER. I DO THAT THROUGH. YOU HAVE THAT PARKING LOT, BUT THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT A BUNCH OF INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE CONSTANTLY UPDATED. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY LIGHT. I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A BATHROOM AT THAT. CORRECT. VERY LIGHT. BUT SOMEWHERE WHERE FAMILIES CAN ACCESS THAT LAND, WHERE RIGHT NOW YOU CAN SORT OF THE ONLY THING THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT PARTICULAR SPOT. BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, GOING INTO THE ENTIRE HANEY CREEK, RIGHT WHERE WE HAD DONE THE DEDICATION, WHEN COMMISSIONER CROSS WAS ON THE COMMISSION, THE PARK AND THERE'S A PARK PARK. RIGHT. SO THAT PARKING. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, IT HAS TO WORK TOGETHER IN CONCERT. EXACTLY. AND TRY TO GET IT AND, AND HAVE THE ORIENTATION BE WHETHER THE FOCUS AND THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE THERE. AND WE KIND OF CREATE A WHOLE NEW MAPPING FOR THAT PARK AND, AND HAVE IT WHERE PEOPLE KNOW AND ARE ABLE TO KNOW THAT THIS IS LIKE OUR LITTLE URBAN FOREST, THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING THERE IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. SO NOT BE OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT THAT. IF YEAH, IF IT COMES UP, I'LL, YES, I'LL, I'LL BE I'LL CONSIDER IT FOR CONSERVATION. BUT LIKE I SAID, I WAS ALL INTO DOING HOUSING THERE. I KNOW THAT THERE'S, THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO LEASE IT BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE MONEY IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE PARK. THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP. YES. AND MORE IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE SOME POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH THE WITH THE COUNTY WHEN IT COMES TO POLICE, FIRE, ALL THAT STUFF AND WINDERMERE AND ALL THAT. 
          WHEN WE HAVE LOTS OF ACTIVITY IN THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, WHO'S WHERE WE GETTING THE MONEY FROM TO PAY AND TO COVER THIS KIND OF STUFF. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES, WAS TO TRY TO USE A TWO ACRE PARCEL TO DO SOMETHING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME MONEY TO, YOU KNOW, USE SOME OF THAT TO MAINTAIN. BUT WHEN, WHEN, IF THAT COMES UP, WHAT DO WE HAVE NOW, LIKE EIGHT ACRES OR SOMETHING THERE? I'M NOT THE EXACT ACREAGE BUT OKAY, OKAY. ALRIGHT. BECAUSE I KNOW TIM VOLCKER SAID IT CAME IN ONE OF OUR PRESENTATIONS. WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, TIM HAD COME UP PARTICULARLY USING THE ARPA MONEY. ONE OF THE OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, ON OUR MENU OF HOW TO SPEND THAT MONEY WAS THAT TRAILHEAD ENTRANCE OFF OF DEVELOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THE EXPENSE ASSOCIATED SO THAT DOING THAT WOULD FALL WITHIN THE SCOPE, AS YOU'LL SEE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHAT RUTH. THAT RUTH. OKAY, THAT FALLS WITHIN THAT SCOPE OF WHAT'S ALLOWABLE WITH THE HALF CENT SALES TAX. SO RECREATION LIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE CONSERVATION AND AND FOR, FOR CONTEXT, PHILOSOPHICALLY, THERE'S DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS ON WHAT TO DO WITH GREEN SPACE, NOT TO TURN IT INTO A RIGHT VERSUS LEFT THING, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, ONE SIDE OF THE FENCE IS HAVING GREEN SPACE, HAVING TREES, YOU KNOW, A SPACE FOR GOPHER TORTOISES FOR THE SAKE OF THE TURTLES, I WOULD SAY I'M MORE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE WHERE I'M VERY MUCH FOR CONSERVATION, BUT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, I WANT MY KIDS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A TRAIL TO WALK DOWN TO SEE THE GOPHER TORTOISES. I DON'T WANT TO JUST CREATE JUST COMPLETELY WILD. RIGHT? JUST JUST FOR THE SAKE OF TREES. 
          LIKE IF PEOPLE CAN'T APPRECIATE OLD FLORIDA, YOU KNOW, DOES IT EVEN REALLY EXIST FROM FROM CONSERVATION VERSUS ENVIRONMENTALISM? YOU KNOW, I WANT IT TO BE CONSERVED, BUT A 
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PASSIVE PARK SO FAMILIES AND KIDS CAN AND THIS WON'T BE GOING INTO THE WEEDS ON THAT PARTICULAR THING. BUT I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY WALKED THAT PARTICULAR AREA. SO OTHER THAN IT BEING SWAMPY AND SO ON, I HAVE NO IDEA IF THERE ARE ANY. YOU SAID OLD FLORIDA. I WAS THINKING THEY'RE LIKE NO BIG OAK TREES WITH, YOU KNOW, HANGING WHATEVER ON IT. SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT'S IN THERE THAT WHEN IT, IF A PATH IS CUT, HOW NICELY THINGS WILL BE OR IF WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE TO PLANT SOME TREES OR WHATEVER IN THERE BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF IT IS WET. THERE'S SOME SOME OF IT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. AND I COULD BE WRONG. IT'S A LOT OF IT'S UPLAND WELL ON THE EDGES, I GUESS THE WAY IT GOES INTO THE WET, OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULDN'T BE GOING DEEP INTO THE THAT WATERSHED WATER FLOW. YEAH. WELL THAT'S RIGHT BECAUSE UPLAND AIR WOULD HAVE BEEN WHERE WE WOULD HAVE WANTED TO PUT ANY HOUSING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WHERE THERE'S THE ABILITY TO HAVE TRAIL SO YOU CAN ACCESS IT WOULD BE NICE. 
          OKAY. OTHER MY SECOND REFERENDUM ITEM WOULD BE SAILFISH BALL FIELDS. SO HEAR ME OUT ON THIS. I'M CONCERNED THAT IF BRIGHTLINE GOES IN, THAT THERE VERY WELL COULD BE A LOT OF PRESSURE TO HAVE THAT BECOME TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, MIXED USE. I THINK IT COULD PUT A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE BALL FIELDS TO BECOME ARCHAIC. AND SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IT GOES TO REFERENDUM OR TO STAY LIKE THAT IF IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, THAT BASICALLY THE PEOPLE, IF ANYTHING WAS TO HAPPEN TO SAILFISH, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH REFERENDUM. OKAY. SO YEAH, WHEN WE HAD TRIED THAT BEFORE TO DO A THE HUB OR OR OR TO GET SOME, SOME HOUSING THERE, THERE WAS PUSHBACK ON A LOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY OF SAILFISH BALLPARK. BUT WE HAVEN'T SAID, YOU KNOW, SET IT ASIDE, DON'T DISTURB IT OR DO ANYTHING. SO WITH THE PUBLIC INPUT, AT LEAST YOU KNOW THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAVE FOR THE NEXT FIVE, TEN, 15, 20, 30 YEARS, WHATEVER, BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE. SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING. AND I KNOW THAT THAT IS NOT A PART OF TRYING TO MAINTAIN THAT EAST COMMUNITY, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE IT'S NORTH OF THE ORIGINAL EAST STUART. SO IT WAS NEVER A PART OF, OF THAT, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD THING. 
          BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. AND IT IS A LITTLE NO MAN'S LAND, SO TO SPEAK. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE COUNTY PROPERTY THERE WITH THE COURTHOUSE, AND THEN WE HAVE THIS PROPERTY THAT'S OURS. AND IT'S SACRED IN ITS HISTORY FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND SO IF WE PUT THE, THE, THE ONLY ISSUE WAS THAT IT WASN'T BEING USED FULLY AND MANAGED BY THE CITY FULLY AS A RECREATION AREA. AND WE JUST HAD THE NORTH COUNTY LITTLE LEAGUE THAT WAS PLAYING THE LEASE TO BE THERE. 
          AND IT WAS VERY SPECIALIZED USE AND VERY SPECIALIZED TIMES. SO IF IT'S GOING TO BE A RECREATION AREA OR SOME FIT OF WHATEVER IS THERE, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT WAY. AND IF WE DO PUT IT OUT FOR REFERENDUM, WE'D HAVE TO VERY MUCH SPECIFY WHAT WE WANTED SO THAT WE KIND OF LIMIT IT TO A CERTAIN PLETHORA OF THINGS, BUT NOT OVER LIMITED EITHER, SO THAT YOU CAN STILL BE ABLE, IF YOU HAD TO REBUILD SOMETHING OR BUILD A BETTER BUNKHOUSE FOR THE BALL FIELDS, OR BUILD BETTER BATHROOM, OR DO SOMETHING, WHATEVER IS THERE, THAT IT WON'T BE SO LIMITED THAT YOU END UP BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO STICK WITH THESE, YOU KNOW, THINGS. SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD IT WOULD BE A GOOD POINT, SOMETHING THAT WE, WE IF WE IF THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE, WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO, TO UPGRADE IT, SO TO SPEAK, WITHOUT FEELING LIKE WE'RE NOT BEING TRUE TO KEEPING THE THE TERMS OF WHATEVER THE REFERENDUM WAS OR THE SPIRIT OF MAINTAINING THIS QUOTE UNQUOTE, HISTORIC BALL FIELD, SO TO SPEAK. YEAH, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT IT IS MAINTAINED AS A PARK. YOU KNOW, IT STAYS. PARK CANNOT BE DEVELOPED. SO YOU WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. 
          YOU WOULDN'T WOULD YOU BE AGAINST HAVING THAT BE A REFERENDUM ITEM WITH THOSE DETAILS. SOME, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING AROUND THAT OR I'D LIKE TO SEE THE LANGUAGE ON THAT. AND I'M DEFINITELY I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY AND ESPECIALLY WHAT PEOPLE IF WE HAD LIKE EVEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY WITHOUT JUST STICKING SOMETHING UP FOR A REFERENDUM. IF WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH PEOPLE, WE 
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SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE LISTENING TO PEOPLE AND TALKING. SO IF WE HAD SOME LISTENING STATIONS AND HAD SOME TIME WHERE PEOPLE THEN IF IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A WILL OF THE COMMUNITY, I DEFINITELY WILL BE WORKING WITH THAT. SO I BUT I KNOW FROM THE LAST TIME WHEN WE TRIED TO DO SOMETHING AND IT WAS VERY, VERY CONTROVERSIAL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME PEOPLE WANTED TO HAVE SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE ONLY PROPERTIES WE WE CAN DO THAT ON. IF WE CAN CONTROL IS CITY PROPERTY. AND PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THE, THE CITY GARAGE IS AND AND THEN THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPPOSED TO DOING CERTAIN THINGS ON MARTIN LUTHER KING OR ACROSS FROM EAST STUART. SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ROOM TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. BUT DEFINITELY I'LL BE I WOULD, I WOULD YOU WOULD ENTERTAIN TAKING SOMETHING TO THE PUBLIC AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. ALRIGHT. ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAD ALSO ALONG THE SAME LINES WITH BRIGHT LINE IS THE PARKING IMPLICATIONS OF, YOU KNOW, THE COURTHOUSE NEEDS SO MANY SPOTS. IF BRIGHT LINE WERE TO TAKE UP THAT ENTIRE PARKING LOT, I HAVE CONCERNS OF WHAT THAT WOULD DO. OR STAFF IS NOW PUSHED OUT ONTO ON STREET IN LIGHT OF LIKE ELIZABETH GETTING APPROVED. YOU KNOW, A FAIR PERCENTAGE OF ITS PARKING IS ON STREET AND THAT COULD I WOULD I'M WONDERING IF WOULD YOU BE BRINGING FORWARD AN ITEM WHERE WE COULD REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT VERSUS AVOIDING IT POTENTIALLY IS HOW I MIGHT CHARACTERIZE IT, REALLY LOOKING AT IT, AVOIDING BRIGHT LINE PARKING, PARKING IMPLICATIONS OF BRIGHT LINE GOING THERE, LOOKING AT THE THE REQUIRED PARKING FROM BRIGHT LINE, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COURTHOUSE AND MAKING SURE THAT IF SOME TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN IF SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN THERE THAT THAT IT IS ADEQUATELY PARKED. OKAY. 
          WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH WITH REGARD TO THE COURTHOUSE COUNTY? THEY'VE BEEN THERE. THEY'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. THE COURTHOUSE IS THERE. I THINK THAT THE COURT, THE COURTHOUSE PROPERTY HAS MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING FOR ORDINARY COURT DAYS AND ORDINARY EVENTS OR AT THE COURTHOUSE VICINITY, AND EVEN INCLUDING OUR MEMORIAL PARK. SO I THINK THAT PARKING TO ME, PARKING IS IS ADEQUATE BECAUSE IT'S CONSTANTLY EVOLVING AND CHANGING. BEFORE YOU COMMIT TO THAT TOO DEEPLY, CAN I BRING ONE MORE? YOU HAVE NUMBERS AND STUFF THAT CONSIDERING THAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING A 1500 PERSON AMPHITHEATER, 1700 OR SOMETHING, OKAY, TO HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING, SAME THING. I THINK IT'S THE SAME THING. YOU STILL THINK THAT ON WEEKENDS AND EVENINGS AND OVERFLOW AND PEOPLE PARKING ALONG THE STREET, AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WE IT WOULDN'T BE NICE TO HAVE A PARKING GARAGE FOR THESE KIND OF THINGS. BUT EVEN SO, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WHAT IS IT, 240 PARKING POTENTIAL WHEN WITH FOR THE BRIGHT LINE, IF THE COUNTY IF THE PARKING AREA IS BUILT THERE. AS FAR AS I CAN SEE AND REMEMBER WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT, WAS THAT THE PARKING WOULD STOP, IT WOULD NOT TAKE UP THE ENTIRE AREA BECAUSE I SEE BRIGHT LINE MORE TOWARDS THE LUMBAR AREA. I DON'T EVEN THINK IT COMES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ERNESTINE, BUT I HAVE TO. I HAVE TO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF THE TRAIN THING IS THERE, SUPPOSEDLY THE LENGTH OF THE TRAIN THAT WOULD STOP HERE IF THE IF WE EVER HAVE THAT, IT WOULD BE BETWEEN, LET'S SAY, EAST OCEAN AND MARTIN LUTHER KING, AND IT WOULD BE PROBABLY THE LENGTH OF IT. AT LEAST THAT WAS WHAT WAS GIVEN. WHAT WHAT I LOOKED AT WHEN WE STARTED THAT AND I DIDN'T SEE THE PARKING, ALL OF THAT PARKING SPACE ON THAT SIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE BEING USED UP. AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A PARKING GARAGE, I STILL I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT BRIGHT LINES. THERE'S NO GARAGE, THOUGH. CURRENTLY THAT'S PART OF THAT. IF THE IF THE OPTION IF THAT EVER CAME UP, THERE WOULD BE A PARKING GARAGE, THERE WOULD STILL BE FLAT PARKING AND. SORRY, THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE, I THINK. I WISH I HAD FOUND IT FUNNY. IF THERE'S NO MONEY, NO, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING. LAURA, ARE YOU SURE? OH, THE CASE OF WHAT YOU LOVE. DID YOU GO UPSTAIRS? OKAY. SO DISAPPEARING? YEAH, I THOUGHT I THREW IT UNDER THE THE. SORRY. OKAY. YOU'RE CHECKING. I LEFT 
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MY POCKETBOOK. I DON'T THINK SO. I'M GOING TO GRAB THAT. OKAY. THE REASON I THOUGHT I DID. OH. 
          OH OKAY. OKAY. SORRY. SO. YEAH. GO ON. TELL ME ABOUT WHY YOU YOU. THIS IS IN LINE WITH REFERENDUMS. YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING? NO, THIS WOULDN'T BE REFERENDUM. THIS IS MORE MY. MY ANGLE THAT I WANTED TO GO IS REALLY TAKING. HEY, TAKING A LOOK AT THE PARKING SITUATION MORE HOLISTICALLY. SO, SO BRIGHT LINE WOULD BE SET TO TAKE THAT ENTIRE PARKING LOT. 
          OKAY, I DIDN'T I IN ITS ENTIRETY THAT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY THEY DON'T HAVE ANY GARAGE PROPOSED. SO WHAT YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT IS THE STATION EFFECTIVELY OVER THE TRACKS, BUT THAT THAT ENTIRE COURTHOUSE PARKING LOT WOULD BECOME BRIGHT LINE PARKING. SO WITH THAT BEING THE CASE, THAT IS GOING TO FORCE THAT BRIGHT LINE PARKING OUT ONTO ON STREET, ALL OF THE COURTHOUSE PARKING WOULD EFFECTIVELY BECOME ON STREET PARKING, WOULD CONSUME THE ON STREET PARKING. AND RIGHT. PART OF THE CONSIDERATION TOO IS IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PARKING AVAILABILITY IN THAT COURTHOUSE AREA AFTER HOURS FOR THE AMPHITHEATER RIGHT FROM BEHIND YOU GET WHAT I MEAN? SO. SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO COORDINATE. AND TO ME, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO COORDINATE AND WORK TO FACILITATE BRIGHT LINE AND WORK TO FACILITATE PARKING. THAT'S MY THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS MY ANSWER. YEAH. BUT I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT WORKING WITH THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW ON THIS. BUT ASSUMING BRIGHT LINE DOES NOT LET YOU USE THEIR PARKING LOT FOR EVENTS, WHICH IT'S A PAID PARKING LOT AND MAYBE THEY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT WILL BE FILLED WITH BRIGHT LINE PATRONS, RIGHT. 
          ASSUMING THAT IF YOU HAVE THAT 15 TO 1700 PERSON AMPHITHEATER. RIGHT. AND THAT REALLY CREATES A LOT OF PRESSURE FOR PARKING WHEN YOU LOSE THAT AVAILABILITY OF PARKING TO BRIGHT LINE, BOTH IN TERMS OF STAFF DURING THE DAY. RIGHT. PEOPLE COMING TO PUSATERI'S TO GET LUNCH OR ANYTHING IN THAT AREA WILL NOW BE CONSUMED WITH COURTHOUSE STAFF THAT GOT THERE EARLY IN THE MORNING, AND PRESUMABLY IT WOULD BE PAID PARKING. I'M ASSUMING YOU'D HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          YOU LOSE ALL OF THAT AVAILABLE PARKING AND A LOT OF THAT PARKING IN FRONT OF THE ELIZABETH PROPOSED LOCATION. ALL OF THAT ON STREET WAS CALCULATED INTO THERE COULD. 
          YEAH. SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE LETTING WE'RE LIKE DOUBLE, TRIPLE, QUADRUPLE DIPPING THE SAME PARKING SPACES FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, HOPING THAT DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF DAY, DEPENDING ON THE SEASON, THAT THOSE USES WON'T OVERLAP AND THAT THEY'LL SOMEHOW MAGICALLY BE PARKING. BUT I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT THERE WON'T BE ONCE WE GIVE UP ALL THAT. SO I WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HOLISTICALLY LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE IF WE CAN LOOK AT IT SO YOU WOULD BE YOU CAN LOOK AT IT, YOU WOULDN'T BE AGAINST LOOKING AT IT. WE CAN LOOK AT IT. AND THE OTHER THING TO LOOK AT, YOU MENTIONED THE ELIZABETH, IS THAT WHEN WE DECIDE TO MOVE FULLY INTO WELLS FARGO, I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO YOU KNOW, THE COURTHOUSE IS RIGHT THERE. IT'S A BUSY PLACE. WE HAVE SAID THAT WE WOULDN'T PUT UP A PARKING GARAGE IN THE PAST BECAUSE IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T PAY FOR ITSELF FOR THE MILLIONS YOU PUT IN 15 TO, HOWEVER MANY MILLIONS TO PREPARE A PARKING GARAGE AND GET IT READY. AND THEN YOU MAY NOT HAVE IT, BUT IF WE DECIDE WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO AT THE WELLS FARGO PROPERTY, RIGHT THERE COULD BE THE POTENTIAL THAT WE COULD DO IT AND MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT ON THAT PROPERTY INSTEAD OF DOING THE MULTIFAMILY, WHICH WAS SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO BE THERE. BUT THAT WOULD BE A CITY VENTURE. AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO TO THINK ABOUT. SO, YEAH, IN THE WHOLE CONTEXT OF THINGS IN THAT LITTLE AREA, KNOWING THAT CITY HALL IS GOING TO BE THERE, KNOWING THAT ACROSS THE STREET IS GOING TO BE THE AMPHITHEATER. AND I THINK THE NUMBERS THAT WE PUT OUT THAT SAYS THE AMPHITHEATER CAN ACCOMMODATE JUST BECAUSE THE CONCRETE WASN'T THERE IN THAT FASHION. AND THE WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT THING, THE THE FACILITIES FOR ELECTRICITY AND MUSIC AND SO ON WASN'T THERE. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE, EVENTS AND EVERYTHING THERE. 
          WE'VE HAD A SEAFOOD FEST AND OTHER THINGS THERE. WE'VE HAD THE ARTS FEST AND I THINK THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE GENERALLY THE SAME, AND THE PARKING IS GOING TO FLOW IN THAT FASHION. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING TO BE TOO, TOO, TOO, TOO EXCITED ABOUT RIGHT NOW. BUT YES, IN THE PLANNING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT. BUT REALLY FOR THE SITE, IT'S THERE 
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TO ACCOMMODATE 15 TO 1700. BUT I THINK THAT THE EVENTS, EVENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ARE STILL GOING TO BE THE SAME THING. THE THE BEER FEST, THE SEAFOOD ARTS FEST. AND PEOPLE KNOW, I MEAN, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE KNOW OUR CAPACITY. AND SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WOODSTOCK WITH 1 MILLION PEOPLE, YOU NEVER KNOW, RIGHT? IT DEPENDS ON THE VENUE, MAYBE. OH SO BUT IT'S IT'S IT'S A CONSIDERATION. YEAH. MOVING ON TO ANOTHER POINT. IT CAME UP LAST NIGHT. LUKE LATHAM BROUGHT IT UP. WAS THE WILL IT BE EXTENSION. YEAH. THAT'S BEEN IN THE PLAN SINCE I WAS I KNOW TRANSPORTATION PLANNING. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT. I HAVE WILLOUGHBY COME ALL THE WAY THROUGH. IT IS A TIGHT AREA ESPECIALLY COMING THROUGH THE FROM WILLOUGHBY UP THROUGH THE THE WHERE THE HOUSING IS THERE NOW JUST NORTH OF WILLOUGHBY BOULEVARD AND THEN COMING UP ALONG THE SIDE. BUT THAT PATH HAS BEEN THERE TO SUPPOSEDLY GO INTO STATE ROAD FIVE, AND WE'D TAKEN THE MONEY OFF OF IT AND KIND OF STOP THAT PROCESS. WE'RE PUTTING IN MONEY IMPACT FEE MONEY WITH THE COUNTY TO DO THAT. I KNOW THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING PAST THEM, BUT THAT CORRIDOR NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AND LOOKED INTO. SO IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT THAT CORRIDOR AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT WITH THEM, TALK TO THE MPO AGAIN AND SEE HOW MUCH WE WE NEED TO DO. WHAT'S BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE HALF OF THAT CORRIDOR ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CENTRAL PARKWAY PROBABLY WON'T GET OTHER THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW, IT WON'T GET DEVELOPED. LET ME SEE WHAT'S THERE. WE HAVE THE PARK. OUR PARK IS IT'S PARK. IT'S GREEN SPACE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THE LIQUOR STORE. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. SO POND MANAGEMENT, THIS WAS ANOTHER ONE THEY HAD DONE THE JOE GIGLIO DID THE TRIAL PROGRAM WITH PONDS TO AVOID. YES, YES, YES. AND HE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE GRASS AND HAMILTON CREEK AND ALL THAT. OKAY. IN AN ATTEMPT TO AVOID SPRAYING. YEAH. MINIMIZING IT AT LEAST HAS WORKED WITH THAT. YEAH. WOULD WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO HAVING IT KIND OF FELL OFF. WE HAD RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT. I'VE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT IT. OKAY. SO YOU WOULD YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, BRINGING HIM IN AND AND REALLY TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD. YEAH. DEFINITELY. AWESOME. I KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS THERE FOR I GET IT DONE. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS LIKE A REAL COST ESTIMATES THAT WERE CRAZY NUMBERS FLYING AROUND. I'D LIKE TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO DO WHAT HE RECOMMENDS, AND HAVE A FEW OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, TO AT LEAST MINIMIZE SPRAYING IF YOU HAD MONEY AT ONE TIME. BUT. RIGHT. AND IF THERE'S EVEN GRANTS IF THERE'S SOMETHING. 
          YES. OKAY. YEAH. SO THIS WAS ANOTHER ONE. WITH REGARD TO STAFF RATE INCREASES, COST OF LIVING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REALLY TIED TO CPI. IT'S ABOUT 3% COLAS OR WHAT. OKAY. SO THAT THE NUMBER HAS VARIED EACH YEAR AND IT IS REALLY AT THE DISCRETION OF CURRENTLY OF THE CITY MANAGER. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS IS MY UNDERSTANDING. IT WENT FROM LIKE A 5% INCREASE UP, UP. IT JUMPED UP TO SEVEN AND THEN 10% OR 10% AND THEN 7% SOMETHING LIKE THIS. IT IT REALLY CHANGED DRAMATICALLY SINCE IT WAS NON UNION STAFF. CORRECT. SO WHAT WHAT I WANTED TO TO SEE IF YOU WOULD BE BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT IS A REALLY BIG DEAL THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM TRANSPARENCY. NOT THAT I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A CERTAIN RATE OR SOMETHING, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS PROCEDURALLY THAT THAT COMES FORWARD AS A PRESENTATION AND ULTIMATELY A VOTE FOR APPROVAL. WE'RE RIGHT NOW AT THE MINIMUM PERCENTAGE OR THE PERCENTAGE RANGE THAT FOR THAT YEAR AHEAD OR THE CITY MANAGER CAN WELL, IT'S GENERAL FOR STAFF. IT'S NOT TO YOUR POINT, IT'S NONUNION, WHATEVER THAT RATE IS GOING TO BE. JUST MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A PUBLIC MEETING THERE, THAT THERE CAN BE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, THAT THERE CAN BE A PRESENTATION IF IT DOES NEED TO BE 10%. WHY, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME KIND OF RATIONALE FOR, FOR, FOR WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE BEYOND IT CURRENTLY BEING JUST. SET IN THE RATE. YEAH, JUST KIND OF SITS WITHIN THE DISCRETION OF THE MANAGER. AND THAT THAT HAS 
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THE THE EFFECT OF THAT CAN VERY DRAMATICALLY CHANGE THE BUDGET. SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WOULD OR, YOU KNOW, OVERSIGHT OR GENERAL OVERSIGHT FOR TRANSPARENCY, HAVING THAT BE A SEPARATE ITEM SINCE IT IS SO IMPACTFUL TOWARDS THE BUDGET WHERE WE REVIEW IT AND THEN ULTIMATELY APPROVE IT, OR KIND OF LIKE WE DO WITH THE MILLAGE. YEAH. AND I MEAN, THAT'S THAT HAS ITS MERITS. BUT I SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE LEADERSHIP AND THE, THE ABILITY, THE NIMBLE, THE NIMBLE NESS, THE AGILITY OF THE CITY MANAGER IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT OR FISCAL MANAGEMENT OF THE BUDGET AND THE FUNDING RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE, THAT THAT KIND OF THING, THAT ABILITY FOR THE MANAGER TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. THAT IS, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF OF THEIR, I GUESS YOU'D CALL IT MANAGEMENT SKILLS, BUT I DON'T. 
          AND IT'S NOT THAT WE, WE, WE DON'T SET SOME IDEAS OR LEVEL FOR PEOPLE FOR THEM TO WORK WITH. AND I THINK THAT IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT, THAT NOW, THAT'S FINE. BUT SOME WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HOW. WE DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO SHOW US THEIR INGENUITY AND THEIR ABILITY TO, TO, TO, TO KIND OF FIX AND MANAGE THE BUDGET, SO TO SPEAK, BUT IN A CERTAIN AT A CERTAIN LEVEL. AND I AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MY ONLY CONCERN, NOT MY ONLY BUT IN THIS TOPIC, MY CONCERN IS THAT AND I TRUST MANAGERS, RIGHT? WE'RE HIRING THESE PEOPLE. WE TRUST THEM. BUT THERE'S CURRENTLY NO OVERSIGHT. SO IT IS EFFECTIVELY THE SAME PERSON WHO BENEFITS REALLY THE MOST FROM THAT RATE. BEING HIGHER IS THE PERSON WHO'S SETTING THAT RATE. IT DISPROPORTIONATELY WILL BENEFIT YOUR DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO MAKE THE MOST THE HIGHEST SALARIES, AND THAT PERSON WILL BE THE HIGHEST PAID PERSON. IT. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE SOME OVERSIGHT. MAYBE YOU KNOW WHERE THEY'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT THAT RATE SHOULD BE AND WHY. AND ULTIMATELY WE ARE APPROVING IT. THE TIME WHEN THE BUDGET HAS BEEN DEVELOPED. THEY WOULD TELL US WHAT FOR TRANSPARENCY. YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT RATE IS EVERY YEAR. IT'S JUST SORT OF INVISIBLE. WOULD YOU BE YOU KNOW, I'LL I'LL CONSIDER IT. THAT'S FOR ME TO CONSIDER. OKAY. RIGHT. OH, YEAH. THIS WAS ANOTHER ONE. BACKYARD HENS, CHICKENS AGAIN I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THIS PERSON IS IN THE CITY OR COUNTY I WON'T DISCLOSE. YES, BUT I HAD SOMETHING AT MY DOORSTEPS THAT SAYS MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM THE CHICKS. THE CHICKS? IT WAS SOME EGGS. OH, SEE? SO? SO HOW HOW WE HAD IT IN THE URBAN, IN THE URBAN CODE FOR THE URBAN FARM CODE. IT WAS OKAY. AND THOSE PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAD AN URBAN FORM ON THE GROUND FLOOR FORM PROPERTY, WHICH IS NOW COLAB KITCHENS. I DON'T REMEMBER THE ORDINANCE IN A TON OF DETAIL, BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAD EXCLUDED IT EXCEPT FOR LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOME ZONING, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES WHO WOULD WANT TO DO THIS AND PEOPLE. AND SO WE HAD WE HAD WE HAD GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE IT BECAUSE OF CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES AND PEOPLE COMPLAINING, EVEN IF IT'S LEGAL, PEOPLE COMPLAIN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER THAT WE HAD SAID THAT IF IT'S NOT THERE, THEN PEOPLE CAN DO IT OR NOT DO IT. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE CURRENT. SO AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, IS. BUT UNLESS AND EVEN IF THEIR NEIGHBORS COMPLAIN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO RULE. SO NEIGHBORS WILL HAVE TO JUST KIND OF WORK WITH THEMSELVES AND POLICE THEMSELVES. AND AND THIS WOULD BE THE POINT I WOULD MAKE TO THAT IS IT DOES CREATE A SITUATION WHERE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING IT ARE THE ONES WHO ARE KNOWINGLY BREAKING THE RULES. IF THERE ARE NO RULES, WELL, RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE IT IN SINGLE FAMILY ZONING. OUR CODE DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO HAVE CHICKENS, BUT PEOPLE ARE. THEY? CAN THEY HEAR US? PEOPLE? PEOPLE DO HAVE HENS. I HAVE RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GET THE GUY IN TROUBLE. IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I WAKE UP OFTEN TO A ROOSTER. 
          YOU KNOW MY NEIGHBOR. YEAH, I SEE THAT. SO IT'S HAPPENING. BUT THERE'S NO AWARENESS OF 
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WHERE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, THERE'S NO PERMIT FEES ASSOCIATED. AND THE PEOPLE WHO. 
          AND THEN TO KEEP THEM SANITIZED AND TO KEEP THEM DISEASE FREE. AND THERE'S NOBODY THAT EVEN LOOKS. YOU WANT TO DO IT. YOU WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO DO IT. I DON'T WANT TO DO IT IN MY YARD PERSONALLY. BUT THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO TRY TO GIVE, I DON'T MIND A DISCUSSION ON IT. I DON'T MIND IT. COMING UP, MORE CONTEXT, TO THE POINT WOULD BE IF ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING IT ARE THE ONES BREAKING THE RULES, IT REALLY JUST ONLY BOXES OUT PEOPLE WHO ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES. YEAH, THEY WON'T DO IT, YOU KNOW? AND THOSE OFTEN ARE GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE WHO DO IT MOST RESPONSIBLY. YEAH. WOULD BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. AND I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY AGAINST IT. YEAH, PEOPLE ARE VERY AGAINST RABBITS AND PIGS AS THEIR PETS. I HAVEN'T HEARD, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT I, I DID HAVE WE HAD ONE NEIGHBOR IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAD A PIG IN THE FRONT YARD. BUT BUT GENERALLY I HAVEN'T HEARD REALLY ANY SUPPORT FOR GOATS OR PIGS. IT WAS JUST PEOPLE WANTING TO HAVE. I'VE HEARD THIS CONSISTENTLY. YOU'VE HEARD SUPPORT FOR HENS, FIVE HENS, NO ROOSTERS, YOU KNOW, FOR THEIR KIDS TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE FORAGE KIND OF THINGS. AND WE'RE NOT AN AGRICULTURAL AREA, BUT ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT URBAN PEOPLE CAN'T HAVE QUOTE UNQUOTE, CROPS OR CHICKENS OR WHATEVER. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT. SO YOU'D BE OPEN TO DISCUSSION. YEAH, I CAN, I CAN, I CAN LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC ON THAT. OKAY. HALF CENT SALES TAX PRIORITIES WAS ANOTHER ONE. SO WE ALREADY KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT. BUT THE TRAILHEAD OFF OF BAKER OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. HAVING THAT BE LIKE A KIPLINGER PASSIVE PARK LIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'VE ALREADY REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT. YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO DISCUSSING THAT. IT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE. THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE SIMILAR. IT'S A SEPARATE SEPARATE ISSUE FROM THE REFERENDUM ITEM. IT WOULD BE REALLY USING THE HALF CENT SALES TAX MONEY, SOME PORTION OF IT, TO SET THAT TRAILHEAD UP AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE PARK. WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO CONSIDERING THAT AND DISCUSSING THAT, OR ARE YOU AGAINST THAT OFF OF BAKER. WELL, THAT YEAH, BECAUSE THE SIMILAR LANGUAGE TO WHATEVER THIS WAS AT THE TIME. WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE IS COUNTY. THAT WAS THEIR THING BACK IN 2024. IT SEEMS LIKE SO. SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE ON PAGE THREE IS WHAT RUTH PROVIDED. THIS IS THE STATE STATUTE ON HOW YOU CAN SPEND THAT MONEY THAT YOU'RE RECEIVING FROM HALF CENT SALES TAX. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT HIGHLIGHTED PORTION TAX REVENUE TO FINANCE, PLAN, CONSTRUCT INFRASTRUCTURE AND ACQUIRE LAND FOR PUBLIC RECREATION, CONSERVATION, CONSERVATION, PROTECTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES. CORRECT. SO SO TO RUTH'S POINT, I WENT AND TALKED TO HER ABOUT THIS. THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION BEFORE. I WAS NOT FULLY AWARE OF HOW WE COULD EVEN SPEND THE MONEY. BUT THIS DOES GIVE VERY SPECIFIC GUARDRAILS. SO YOU WOULD BE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DRAINAGE AND SOME VERY, YOU KNOW, VERY INTERESTING IDEAS, BUT THAT MONEY IS TO BE USED FOR TO FINANCE, PLAN AND CONSTRUCT INFRASTRUCTURE AND TO ACQUIRE LAND FOR PUBLIC RECREATION, CONSERVATION BUDGET. BUT I DIDN'T I, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MUCH IN PROTECTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES. SO SO WHAT WE WANTED AND I THINK RUTH IS GOING TO PRESENT ON THIS NEXT TIME TO GIVE US MORE CONTEXT. OKAY. BUT JUST EVEN TODAY, YOU KNOW, FOR CONTEXT WOULD BE I FELT LIKE THAT BAKER ROAD TRAILHEAD VERY MUCH CAPTURED THE SPIRIT OF THIS BECAUSE IT IS CONSERVATION, YOU KNOW, AND RECREATION FOR THE PUBLIC USING THOSE NATURAL RESOURCES, OKAY. VERSUS SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE DISCUSSED. OKAY. BUT I ALSO WAS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT JUST TRYING TO PITCH ALL MY IDEAS. IF YOU I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR IDEAS WOULD BE RELATED TO HALF CENT SALES TAX AS WELL. OKAY. WHAT YOU WANTED TO SPEND, I THOUGHT WAS APPROPRIATE. SO JUST TO TO END THAT PARTICULAR POINT, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO DISCUSSING THAT? I'LL BE OPEN TO DISCUSSING THAT. 
          AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT MY MONEY. SOMEBODY'S BACK POCKET THAT'S COMING OUT OF. SO THE PUBLIC ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE INFORMED ON ON THAT IF WE'RE EVER GOING TO PUT SOMETHING UP FOR REFERENCE OR AT LEAST HOW WE SPEND THE MONEY, WHATEVER. YEAH. I THOUGHT WHAT WAS NICE ABOUT IT TOO IS WE ALREADY HAVE IT PLANNED. YEAH, YEAH. YOU KNOW, WITH TIM. WHAT WHAT ELSE DO YOU THINK ON THE HALF CENT SALES TAX IS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE? DO YOU HAVE IDEAS. 
          HAVE YOU HEARD FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE MORE OBVIOUSLY IS ACQUIRING, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE OTHER THE WITHIN THIS WHOLE THING. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT THAT AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DID THAT BOTH CITY COUNTY ANYTHING THAT WOULD COME FROM THAT IS TO DEAL WITH CONSERVATION TYPE THINGS. SO 
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YEAH, DEFINITELY. BUT I JUST DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO IF WE EVER DID ANYTHING ELSE UP NORTH. BUT MORE BROADLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT USED TO ACQUIRE LAND OR TAKE OUR AVAILABLE GREEN SPACE THAT WE DO HAVE TO CREATE SOME OF THAT LIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE. I LIKE, YOU KNOW, BOARDWALKS, GAZEBOS WOULD WORK IN IN AREAS WHERE IT'S AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO FOR RECREATION LIKE THAT. YOU TALK ABOUT ACQUIRING, YOU TALK, LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, OVER THE BRIDGE, LIKE THE RIGHT PROPERTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF AND WHERE IT'S THERE'S OPPORTUNITY. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONE PARCEL I'M THINKING OF THAT I DON'T EVEN WANT TO MENTION. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. BUT, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO TO HAVE THOSE SPACES FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY, THAT'S GREEN SPACE, DOWNTOWN POCKET PARKS AND THINGS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT USED FOR THAT PERSONALLY. AND THOSE HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT CAREFULLY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IF YOU KNOW, BUT MAYBE YOU DO. BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY DRIVE, LET'S SAY ON OSCEOLA, WE HAVE A WEALTH OF LITTLE POCKET PARKS FROM HILDEBRANDT PARK, WHICH IS A PART OF THE OLD SUBDIVISION, AND THEN GOING DOWN TO THE END OF OSCEOLA. AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THESE LITTLE END OF THE ROAD, LITTLE CUL DE SAC THINGS, WHETHER THEY'RE ALL THEY'RE OVER HERE OFF OF THE, THE RIVER IN THE BEHIND PUBLIX, THAT WHOLE SUBDIVISION THERE, THERE ARE LOTS OF LITTLE POCKETS. SO WE WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE OTHER POCKETS BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE THEM, THEY WANT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTIFICATION. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO TO DO THAT. I SEE OUR VERSION OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE 3000 ACRE PARCELS TO PUT INTO CONSERVATION LIKE THE COUNTY WILL, BUT I SEE OUR VERSION OF THIS, AS YOU KNOW, GETTING HAVING MORE OF THESE POCKET PARK GREEN SPACES AND THEN ULTIMATELY, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT DREDGING FULTON CREEK OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, PRESERVING THOSE NATURAL RESOURCES AS PER THAT STATUTE. OKAY. SO MOVING INTO THE OTHER ITEMS WERE RELATED TO THE FUTURE CITY HALL SITE, THE KIND OF SEGUE TALKING ABOUT GREEN SPACE, WHAT I WANT TO DO, AND CURRENT CITY HALL SITE. SO THE FUTURE CITY HALL SITE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THAT BUILDING KNOCKED DOWN IN GREEN SPACE. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS USING THAT HALF CENT SALES TAX, EVEN PRESERVING AND BUILDING, YOU KNOW, TREES, INFRASTRUCTURE, PARK INFRASTRUCTURE ON THAT GREEN SPACE VERSUS THE PREVIOUS PLAN. WELL, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO RAISE MONEY TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FUTURE. WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING. AND I THINK THAT EVEN IF IT'S NOT ALL OF IT, WE I MEAN, WHEN, WHENEVER THE THE CANCER CENTER GOES, THERE'LL BE THE OPTION TO DO SOME THINGS. BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE TO, TO BE A SOURCE OF, OF FUNDING, SOMETHING DECENT THAT CAN BE LEASED OR USED OR WHATEVER. BUT I HEAR YOU'RE SAYING JUST KEEP IT AS AN EXTENSION OF MEMORIAL PARK ACROSS THE OTHER SIDE. AND SO CITY HALL AND IT'S FINE. CITY HALL NEEDS TO BE IN A NICE LOCATION WHERE YOU HAVE SOME GREEN SPACE AND SOME WE DON'T HAVE ANY LAWN SPACE. IT'S NOT LIKE EXACTLY A TRADITIONAL CITY HALL THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A GREEN SPACE. AND YOU HAVE AVENUES AND WALKWAYS AROUND IT. 
          IT'S A IT'S IN A CONCRETE AREA RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, AS I, AS I WOULD ENVISION IT, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST THERE WAS A PARKING GARAGE, FOUR STORY APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, VERY INTENSE DEVELOPMENT THERE. THE PARKING GARAGE, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE, DO IT THERE. AND I ONLY THOUGHT IS BESIDES THE BESIDES THE AMPHITHEATER AND HAVING THAT EXTRA PARKING THERE, I WONDER HOW MUCH A PARKING GARAGE WOULD REALLY BE UTILIZED THERE, BECAUSE THERE'S OFTEN A LOT OF SPACES, EVEN AT WELLS AT THE SURFACE PARK, PUT NINE, TEN, $15 MILLION INTO A GARAGE AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION. WE DON'T NEED IT THERE. THEN WHERE ELSE? DEEPER DOWNTOWN. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE A CASE FOR IT EITHER AT THIS SITE, WHICH I'M NOT, OR LIKE HOW IT BROUGHT UP THE FREEMASON LODGE AND A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, THE CLOSER YOU GET TO DOWNTOWN, THE MORE UTILIZED IT MIGHT BE. WELL, WE HAVE THE TROLLEYS SO PEOPLE CAN PARK AND WALK OR TAKE A TROLLEY WHEN IT'S 9095 DEGREES IN AUGUST, YOU KNOW, DO LITTLE OLD LADIES REALLY EVEN WANT TO WALK TO THE PARKING GARAGE? THEY CAN GET THE TROLLEY. THEY CAN GET THE TROLLEY. I MEAN, I, I THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD THING. WE CAN THINK ABOUT IT. SO YOU SAID THE OLD THE THE NEW 
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CITY HALL. ARE YOU ONTO THIS CITY HALL SITE YET. NO, NO. SO SO WITH REGARD TO WELLS, YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR. YOU WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE MORE INCOME PRODUCING. YEAH. INCOME PRODUCING IF A PORTION OF IT. BUT JUST STILL WORKING. THERE'S SOME BEAUTIFUL TREES THERE THAT CAN BE KEPT. THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN IN THAT AREA. I THINK WE COULD CHARGE OUR STAFF TO, TO GIVE US SOMETHING, GIVE US A LITTLE. YEAH. WE CAN. YOU'RE MAKING FRIENDS? NO. TO GIVE US SOMETHING TO TO TO WORK WITH. BECAUSE. BUT THEN THEY'LL ALSO NEED THE DIRECTION IF WE'RE IF WE'RE KIND OF IN FAVOR OF DOING PARKING THERE OR, OR, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF THE BEAUTIFYING THAT THAT SURFACE PARKING TO HAVING MORE, YOU KNOW, SHADE TREES AND MAKING A LITTLE MORE ATTRACTIVE AND THEN HAVING THAT GREEN SPACE BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I MENTIONED, GAZEBOS AND WOOD WORK WOULD BE MY VISION. NOT TURNING THAT INTO A LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T SEE HOW YOU KIND OF EITHER HAVE TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER, BECAUSE YOU EITHER HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT SURFACE PARKING. YOU CAN'T REALLY BUILD MUCH THERE WITHOUT EATING UP THAT SURFACE, PARKING AND HAVING A GARAGE ON A SMALLER FOOTPRINT, OR TO REALLY BE VIABLE ECONOMICALLY, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, BROWNSTONES, TOWNHOUSES. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD ANY KIND OF APARTMENTS, YOU'RE REALLY LOCKED INTO WHAT WE ALREADY ARE THERE. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO, YOU KNOW, APARTMENTS THERE. SO KIND OF EITHER HAVE TO DO LIKE LARGER SCALE COMMERCIAL WITH GARAGE OR MINIMAL DEVELOPMENT, I.E. SURFACE PARKING AND MORE PASSIVE PARK, YOU KNOW, OKAY. 
          LET ME SEE. YES, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IF WE HAD EVEN IF WE'D BEEN PRESENTED WITH A BECAUSE WE HAD THE THE PLAN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL THERE. BUT IN TERMS OF LIKE MOVING OUR UTILITY AND HAVING THE DRIVE THROUGH OR SOMETHING OVER THERE, I THINK EVERYTHING IS SUPPOSED TO BE ALL INCLUSIVE, BUT IT MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE. THAT BANK THING MAY NOT WORK, AND THEY MAY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. BUT I KNOW THAT I THINK THAT JUST WE HAVE TO REWORK THE, THE, THE LAYOUT FOR THAT PROPERTY AND WORK ON IT. SO YES, I AGREE THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRIORITY THAT TONIGHT. YEAH. THE LAYOUT FOR THAT PROPERTY AND WHATEVER RFP WE PUT IN FOR THIS PROPERTY OR, OR ACCEPT FOR THIS PROPERTY, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE SEND TO US AND SEE WHAT WE CAN WORK WITH. BUT YOU'RE OPEN TO DISCUSSING ALL OF THAT. 
          OKAY. SO IN TERMS OF THIS SITE, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE THE SEGUE TO THIS SITE. YEAH. WHAT IS YOUR VISION FOR WHAT WE DO HERE FROM FLAGLER PARK TO SAINT LUCY AVENUE, INCLUDING THE ANNEX BUILDING. SO THERE'S A PLAN THAT SHOULD BE JUST LAYING SOMEWHERE UP THERE THAT I THINK HAS SOME CANDACE IS GOING TO BRING US. SHE'S GOING TO PRESENT, OKAY, IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE. GOOD. SOME IDEAS. OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR BACK SHE'S GOING TO REACH, BUT LET'S SAY FROM THE DOCK TO X AMOUNT, LET'S SAY WHATEVER, 60FT, 100FT IN ABSOLUTE OPEN SPACE, GREEN SPACE, ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN GOES OVER HERE. AND IF THE ROAD NEEDS TO COME FROM SAINT LUCY, LIKE WHERE IT COMES FROM UTILITIES AND COMES THROUGH THE CENTER OF THIS AND THAT DOVETAIL BACK INTO THE QUOTE UNQUOTE OLD ROAD OR EXTENDING OSCEOLA AND THEN HAVING WHAT COMMERCIAL THERE OR JUST EXTENDING EXTENDING THIS SAINT LUCY FROM SAINT LUCIA. SO I THINK THAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT WE WON'T BE SO CLOSE TO THE RAILROAD TRACK. I THINK WITH THE BUILDING GONE, LET'S SAY THAT THAT BUILDING GONE, WHOEVER COMES IN WITH A PLAN, THAT ENTRANCE OF THE RAILROAD TRACK PROBABLY WON'T BE THERE. 
          BUT THEN SO IT WOULD KIND OF. YES, YOU'RE RIGHT, OSCEOLA, BECAUSE IT KIND OF JOGS RIGHT WHERE THE THE ATM MACHINE IS AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO THAT WOULD KIND OF COME ACROSS THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW TRAFFIC WISE HOW THINGS AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAD SOMETHING HERE LIKE SAY, WE ACCEPTED A CONVENTION CENTER OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING HERE, I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO SEE WHAT THEIR THEIR PLAN IS, ACTUALLY. BUT ALL I'D WANT TO DO, MY MAIN THING IS THAT SOMETHING IS HERE, WHETHER IT'S A CONVENTION CENTER OR WHATEVER, PEOPLE, WHETHER IT'S OFFICE BUILDINGS, WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, I THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH INPUT TO 
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PROVIDE THAT. BUT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO KEEP A SWATH OF GREEN SPACE AND KEEP OUR CONCERT AREA AND ALL THAT STUFF WITH THE WITH THE ON THE RIVERWALK. SO. YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE, BUT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH SOME PLANNING FOR THIS SITE BEFORE. AND IF MAIN STREET IS GOING TO COME AND GIVE US SOME IDEAS AND THEN WE'LL PART OF PART OF THAT EVEN IS I IS YOU OFFERING SOME FEEDBACK BECAUSE I'M SURE SHE'S GOING TO LISTEN. I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL GET I'LL GET MY IDEAS TOGETHER. ALL I KNOW IS THAT I WANT A SWATH OF GREEN. OF COURSE. OKAY. 
          I THINK THERE WOULD BE PITCHFORKS. IF NOT. OKAY. THOSE ARE MY BIG ONES. OKAY, SO THEN LET ME TRY ON SOMETHING. YEAH. WHAT DO YOU GOT? SO THE POTENTIAL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CHICKENS AND SO ON. AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE WANT US TO BE BOTH CITY AND AND I MEAN CITY, COUNTRY AND URBAN AT THE SAME TIME OR RURAL URBAN, WHATEVER IT IS. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO FEEL LIKE THIS IS THEIR HOME SPACE, WHATEVER IT IS, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO GO OUT IN THEIR BACKYARD AND DO CERTAIN THINGS, ESPECIALLY THOSE MORE SINGLE FAMILY. BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT MANY PEOPLE. I THINK THEY'RE THE ATTACK. IF THERE'S ANTAGONISM TOWARD IT, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT MANY PEOPLE THAT OKAY, BUT HAVING A PATHWAY THAT IF PEOPLE DECIDE THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO AND THEY CAN GET WHATEVER LICENSE AND WORK TO DO IT, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT. OKAY. SO IT'S THERE'S OVERSIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COULD JUST CHECK MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE SETBACKS ARE APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW NOBODY THERE'S I GOT I GOT CHICKENS WALKING DOWN THE STREET NOW. THAT'S RIGHT. THE TYPE OF FENCING AND THE TYPE OF SECURITY, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THERE ARE MANY RESPONSIBLE CHICKEN OWNERS THAT I DON'T EVEN, YOU KNOW, I SEE THE COOP, YOU KNOW, FROM. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. I'VE NEVER SEEN THE CHICKEN. YEAH. THERE'S MANY OF THOSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE THING. SO THE OTHER THING IS EXPANDING EITHER EXPANDING OR REFORMING WHATEVER WE MAY WANT TO CALL IT, THE CRA BOUNDARIES. AND I KNOW THAT CRA HAS ITS LIMITATION STATEWIDE IN TERMS OF THE SUNSET AND WHAT MAY HAPPEN, BUT I THINK THAT IT HAS SERVED A GREAT DEAL OF PURPOSE, AND THE FUNDING HAS CREATED A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF STUART THAT PEOPLE TAKE FOR GRANTED. BUT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE CRA AND BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF FUNDING THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THAT HAVE GOTTEN ALL OF THAT. AND IF THERE'S SOME AREAS, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO'VE COMPLAINED, YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PALM BEACH ROAD OR, YOU KNOW, THE SOUTH SIDE OF MARTIN LUTHER KING IN SOME AREAS THAT IS NOT EXACTLY ON THE CRA. THEY'VE COMPLAINED AND ASKED QUESTIONS HOW THEY'RE THIS IS HAPPENING AND THIS THEY CAN'T GET THE ADVANTAGE OF THESE THINGS. SO WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT THOSE BOUNDARIES. I KNOW WE WENT DOWN TO DEKKER AVENUE, EVEN IF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT PART OF PALM CITY ROAD. I'M SURE IT'S THE THING HERE THAT I'M THINKING OF. I DON'T THINK IT'S THERE IN THAT AREA. SO WE WE'D WANT TO I'D WANT TO LOOK AT OUR CRA BOUNDARIES AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY ABILITY TO EXPAND OR TO ROUND OFF OR WHATEVER YOU MAY CALL IT, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE CERTAIN BENEFITS IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN, THEY CAN GET IT. I, I JUST SO IT WOULD BE THE CRA BOUNDARIES IF POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT THEM AND AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PANEL CAN TELL US IF SHE'S HAD INTEREST FROM PEOPLE. BUT YOU KNOW THE CRA HAS ITS GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF BLIGHTED AREA AND ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS. SO THEY MAY NOT MEET ALL THE GUIDELINES, BUT WE JUST NEED TO LOOK VERY CAREFULLY TO SEE IF THAT'S THAT'S HAPPENED. WE TALKED ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY WITH REGARD TO THOSE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING FOR PARKS AND SO ON. 
          BUT WE HAVE AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS, BUT WE HAVE A A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE CITY OF STUART. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE A COPY I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, GET A COPY, LOOK AT IT. 
          AND I KNOW THAT YOU SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO USE THE WORD SUSTAINABLE. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN? THE. WELL, IT HAS SOME THINGS IN THERE. ONE WAS WHAT WE DID IS THAT WORKSHOP EXERCISE AT FLAGLER, 
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THE STRATEGIC PLAN. THE OTHER IS THE WHAT YOU GUYS DID BEFORE I GOT HERE. YEAH. THE SUSTAINABILITY THING. YEAH. SO I'D SAY LOOK AT BOTH OF THOSE. EITHER WAY, AT LEAST LOOK BACK AT THEM AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT COULD NOW BE INCORPORATED DURING THIS NEXT YEAR, A SPECIFIC. AND I'LL TRY TO GO BACK AND PULL MINE UP TOO. I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THAT. AND BECAUSE AS A PART OF THAT TOO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTED IS THAT. I CALL IT NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTIFICATION. SO PEOPLE SOME PEOPLE KNOW THAT I LIVE IN SAINT LUCIE ESTATES OR I LIVE IN SARITA HEIGHTS, OR I LIVE IN CLEVELAND SUBDIVISION OR, OR I LIVE IN EAST STUART OR WHEREVER THE SUBDIVISION NAME IS. YES. OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE. WE'RE IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          I'VE GONE TO OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE. WELCOME, SARITA HEIGHTS OR WELCOME, MA'AM. WHATEVER NORTH OF THE BRIDGE IS. I CAN'T THINK OF IT RIGHT NOW. WELCOME TO TO TO JUST THIS LITTLE THESE LITTLE NEIGHBORHOODS ESPECIALLY WE'RE POCKET PARKS ARE LOCATED. 
          AND SO WHEN YOU'RE WALKING BY OR DRIVING BY YOU JUST FEEL A SENSE OF NEIGHBORHOOD NESS OF ALMOST SECURITY THAT YOU'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. IT MUST BE A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S A NICE WOODEN SIGN, THERE'S A THING, AND IT'S A SPONSORED BY THE CITY OF STUART AND BEYOND SIGNAGE. IS THERE SOMETHING MORE THAT YOU'RE. WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALWAYS PUSHED TO HAVE THESE THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH THING AND TO HAVE PEOPLE WITH GROUPS LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT NOW MORE THAN EVER, WITH SECURITY AND OTHER THINGS HAPPENING, WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE CHRISTMAS PARADE. YOU JUST I WOULDN'T SAY BE TOTALLY LEERY OF YOUR NEIGHBORS, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS AND COGNIZANT OF WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND YOU. SO I THINK THE MORE PEOPLE WE GET INVOLVED IN COMMUNITY, NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH AND WORKING ON THAT KIND OF STUFF, NOT JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE LIVING IN A CONDO COMPLEX AND THEY'RE ALREADY SOMEWHAT TAKING CARE OF THINGS, BUT WE NEED TO DEVELOP A LEVEL OF INTEREST IN THE CITY AND OUR RESIDENTS. AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WEBSITE AND TRYING TO PUT OUT AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE TO PEOPLE, BUT I THINK HAVING SIGNS HELP AND HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE A LIKE A STRUCTURED WAY OF SELF-POLICING NEIGHBORHOODS. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. WELL, YEAH, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. NO, JUST TO GET PEOPLE TO, TO TO KNOW, TO TO TAKE CARE TO TO WATCH OUT FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD PRIDE. YEAH. NEIGHBORHOOD PRIDE. YOU WOULD ALMOST NEED YOU WOULD ALMOST WANT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS OR SOMETHING. NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. THE POLICE DOES GO OUT AND DO THAT. SO WE CAN EMPHASIZE THAT, LIKE HOW THE COUNTY WILL HAVE NACHES, YOU'LL HAVE WHERE THEY HAVE NACHES, THE, THE COUNTY. BUT THOSE HAVE TO DO THOSE ARE TIED INTO THE CRA, THE CRA AND AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. BUT I THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SOME KIND OF A ZONE OR NEIGHBORHOOD THING OR WHATEVER, IF IT'S EVEN TWO TIMES A YEAR THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT SOMEBODY, A COMMISSIONER OR THE GROUP IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING OR SAY SOMETHING TO US, THAT'S FOR US. THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN US. AND SO PEOPLE NORTH OF THE BRIDGE, WE NEVER GET TO SEE THEM. I DON'T KNOW, IT COULD BE A WALK. WE IF WE BREAK IT UP IN 4 OR 5 ZONES AND WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD WALK OR SOMETHING, ANYTHING TO LET PEOPLE. WE'RE STILL A SMALL TOWN. WE CAN WE DO THE TRASH PICKUP, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANUP. YEAH. AND WHEN THE CITY DOES THE THE PICKUP THING WHERE THEY PICK UP THE THE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL AND THEY HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANUP. YES. EVEN ON THAT SATURDAY WHEN THEY'RE DOING THAT, IF THEY JUST KNOW THAT ONE OR 2 OR 3 OF OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE GOING TO BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST SAYING HI OR DOING SOMETHING, I THINK THAT THAT HELPS WITH, WITH THINGS. THAT'S ONE THING. GOT A MINUTE LEFT? ANYTHING ELSE? THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT WAS CIVILITY. ARE YOU RUNNING A NICE MEETING LAST NIGHT? I APPRECIATE THAT IT HAS HELPED ME HAVING JOE LEE WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY, I HAVE TOO MUCH OF A BLEEDING HEART MAYBE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OKAY. HAVING HIM GO THROUGH IT WHEN IT'S TIME, YOU KNOW? OKAY. OKAY. SO YOU LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE THE THE GAVEL. I MEAN, THE THE BELL WITH THE BELL WITH THE MANAGER. YEAH. 
          KIND OF LIKE HOW DON WILL DO WITH THE COUNTY. THAT'S WHERE YOU DON'T WANT TO STOP MRS. 
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JONES. MRS. JONES, I'M SORRY YOU CAN'T SPEAK. I LET HER TALK FOR TEN MINUTES, YOU KNOW? SO. 
          YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S. IT'S BEEN GOOD. THAT WAS GOOD HAVING JOE LEE. I FELT LIKE IT KEPT US IN. 
          IN ORDER. YEAH. IT DIDN'T FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT, THAT PERSON, THAT IT WAS TOO JARRING. 
          YEAH. YEAH. WELL, I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO GET SOME MORE STUFF. I'LL GET SOME IDEAS TO ROSS. AND ROSS CAN ALWAYS PULL THEM BACK AT YOU WHEN WE GET HERE FROM THE PUBLIC. AND WE KNOW ABOUT SOME OF THESE REFERENDUM TYPE IDEAS. THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNTY STILL HAS MONEY FOR A I HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE ABOUT. THERE'S NO REAL IMPACT FEES THAT MUCH ANYMORE. BUT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE WATCHING US CAREFULLY COME THIS BUDGET SEASON. SO IT'S IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT I WANT TO PUT THIS IN YOUR BOX OR I GIVE THIS TO YOU RIGHT NOW. SURE. LET'S KEEP IT PERFECT. ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGD A MEETING FOR 3:00 SCHEDULED WITH COMMISSIONER RICH. HE IS NOT SHOWED UP. SO WE ARE GOING TO RECESS UNTIL FOUR. SOUNDS GOOD. WE ADJOURNED TILL WE'RE READY WHEN YOU ARE. ALRIGHT. YOU SAY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? MAYOR COLLINS HERE AND VICE MAYOR REED HERE. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE. YEAH. APPROVE THE VENDING MACHINE OPTIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL GET RIGHT INTO DISCUSSION. VICE MAYOR. YEAH. 
          SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS TO REVIEW POLICY DIRECTION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO GO IN FOR THE TIME THAT I AM MAYOR, GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU, INCLUDING THE CRA, WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES MIGHT BE AND IN WHAT ORDER FOR ME TO SHARE MINE WITH YOU TO GET FEEDBACK ABOUT YOURS? YEAH AS WELL. SO. SO LEAD OFF AND GO FOR IT. ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, JUST TO START OUT THE MEETING, CHRIS AND I DON'T COMMUNICATE, BY THE WAY, OUTSIDE OF CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF, YES. I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT I ACTUALLY WATCHED ALL THE PRIOR MEETINGS TOO, AND I MADE NOTES ON EVERYBODY. AND FOR THE RECORD, CAMPBELL RICH DIDN'T SHOW UP TO HIS. BUT YEAH, I, I SUMMED IT UP VERY WELL. AND I HAVE YOUR BACKYARD CHICKEN ORDINANCE, SO THERE YOU GO. YEAH. SO I BROUGHT THAT TO YOU. FOR YOU. MY GOALS. I THINK MOST PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHERE I STAND. I WANT OPEN GOVERNMENT. HOWEVER I CAN ACHIEVE THAT. I'VE MENTIONED THINGS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO GET INTO DETAIL ON WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. 
          I KNOW WE CHANGED THE AGENDA, THE GIS MAP. I'D LIKE TO SEE EMAILS ONLINE. I WANT CODE ENFORCEMENT MORE ONLINE. I LIKE HOW THE COUNTY DOES IT. YEAH, YEAH. AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEARCH PERMITS AND IT NEEDS TO BE EASIER. THAT DOVETAILS WITH WHAT WAS COMING UP LAST NIGHT, WHICH IS REVAMPING THE WEBSITE ANYWAY. YEAH, THE IT DEFINITELY NEEDS IT. BUT YES, I WANT THAT. 
          I'VE SPOKE WITH CITY ATTORNEY AS WELL. I DON'T THINK MAGISTRATE STUFF WHEN IT COMES TO FINES SHOULD BE HANDLED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. SO WHAT WOULD YOU PROPOSE? IT NEEDS TO BE DONE PUBLICLY. SO HAVING I DON'T I DON'T WANT FAVORITISM. RIGHT. SO I DON'T WANT PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT I DON'T WANT FAVORITISM. I DON'T CARE WHO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU RECORDED LIVE MEETINGS LIKE THAT. YEAH. BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN PROVIDE PUBLIC INPUT IF SOMEONE DOESN'T AGREE WITH IT OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT IS. HAVE YOU SEEN THAT THAT'S DONE ELSEWHERE? I HAVEN'T DONE ANY RESEARCH ON IT TO SEE. BUT I GAVE, YOU KNOW, CITY ATTORNEY LEE BAGGETT, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE EXAMPLES THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THE CITY. AND EVERY SINGLE CASE WAS HANDLED DIFFERENTLY. OKAY. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD LOOK FOR THE CITY WHEN STUFF LIKE THAT HAPPENS. WAIT, IS THAT WOULD THAT BE WOULD THERE BE ANY PRIVACY CONCERNS WITH REGARD TO PUBLIC MAGISTRATE MEETINGS? BECAUSE THAT'S ALL PUBLIC INFORMATION ANYWAY. YEAH. IF THERE WERE ANY EXEMPTIONS FOR ANY REASON I CAN'T THINK OF RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE ASSERTED BY THE CITY CLERK ON RESPONDING ANY PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS, BUT THOSE ARE PUBLIC MEETINGS, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, IN OUR CODE, THE CITY COMMISSION DEFERS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT TO THE MAGISTRATE. SO THE MAGISTRATE HAS PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, HEARINGS ON IT, AND IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. I THE TELEVISED. YEAH. SO IT IS TELEVISED LIVE JUST LIKE THIS MEETING LIVE. MAGISTRATE. YEAH. WE DON'T THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY SAVED ON OUR 
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WEBSITE, BUT THEY'RE OPEN FOR PUBLIC RECORD IF YOU'D LIKE. SO MAYBE WHILE IT WHILE THEY ARE LIVE STREAMED, WHILE THEY'RE HAPPENING, THEY ARE RUNNING LIVE ON OUR WEBSITE AND ON OUR YOUTUBE PAGE. THEY SAVE ON OUR YOUTUBE PAGE. IF SOMEONE REQUESTS IT, WE SEND THE LINK TO. THAT'S RIGHT, I HAVE SEEN THEM, BUT NOT ON THE CITY WEBSITE. SO MAYBE NOT SAVED ON THE CITY WEBSITE, BUT IT IS LIVE STREAMED ON THE CITY WEBSITE. SO POTENTIALLY INCLUDING THEM AS AS WE DO WITH THE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS AND THEN HAVING THOSE BE SAVED. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. BECAUSE I SOMETIMES I CAN'T GO I THINK THEY'RE ON WEDNESDAYS, SOMETIMES I CAN'T GO TO THEM AND I LIKE TO LOOK BACK UPON THEM. SURE. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I'D SAY ANOTHER GOAL OF MINE IS CLEANING UP PAST ISSUES IN THIS CITY, THAT I DON'T THINK I SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE POSITION THAT I AM IN, AND I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE A LONG TIME AGO. I SEE, YOU KNOW, THE JUDGES ARE HERE. THAT'S ONE. FOR EXAMPLE, KNOWING ALL THE INFORMATION, LIKE WHERE SOMEONE LOOKS AT IT FROM A THIRD PARTY PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND I KNOW YOU ALWAYS USE THE SENTENCE, CHARACTERIZE IT. I LIKE SAYING MORE PAINTING THE PICTURE. IF SOMEONE PAINTS THE ENTIRE PICTURE TO WHERE IT'S FINISHED AND I NEVER SAW THE PROCESS, I MISSED EVERYTHING. AND WHATEVER SOMEONE TELLS ME, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO BACK CHECK IT OR RESEARCH IT? I'M DOING MULTIPLE PUBLIC RECORD REQUESTS. YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT WOULD YOU PROPOSE? WHAT WHAT ARE YOU ENVISIONING? WELL, IT'S IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE AN INDIVIDUAL FROM WITHIN THE CITY OR IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE AN OUTSIDE FIRM TO COME IN AND LOOK AT SOME OF THESE ISSUES. YOU CAN TAKE STANKOVIC, FOR EXAMPLE. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT NEEDS REVIEWED. THE HAMILTON CHURCH. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE, THE LEONARD PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THESE ONE OFF CASES THAT WE RUN INTO. I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD DRAG OUT AS LONG AS THEY THEY SHOULD. OKAY. WHAT ELSE YOU GOT? I KNOW YOU GUYS DISCUSSED LIKE A PARKING GARAGE FOR ME. THAT'S HARD. SEEING A PARKING GARAGE IN THE CITY OF STEWART. I AGREE WITH YOU. I'M NOT A FAN. I THINK IT WOULD IF IT WAS DONE. MAYBE BEFORE AZUL APARTMENTS. THAT WAS A LOCATION THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT. GREAT. BUT AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW IT. IT PAINS ME. IT? YES. THERE WAS ONE DEVELOPMENT THAT ACTUALLY TWO ONE WHERE IT HADN'T EXISTING PARKING GARAGE AND OBVIOUSLY IT CAME UP DURING BRIGHT LINE TWO IS THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY INCLUDING A GARAGE AND THERE WAS SO MUCH NEGATIVE FEEDBACK. IT GOT PULLED FROM THE WHOLE PLAN. JUST TRULY PEOPLE WANT MORE PARKING BUT NOT A GARAGE. CORRECT. AND I THINK WHEN YOU SEE A PARKING GARAGE FOR PEOPLE LIKE I CAN SPEAK ON MYSELF, IT CHANGES THE ENTIRE DYNAMICS OF WHAT THE CITY IS. YEAH. JUST LIKE WHEN YOU SEE AERIAL PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE IN THAT INNOVATION HUB REPORT SCATTERED THROUGHOUT SALERNO, SO THEY COULD HOP OVER FROM GOLDEN GATE AND SALERNO TO COMMERCE REGARDLESS OF TRAINS PASSING BY. SO THEY WANT AERIAL PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES, GRADE CROSSINGS WITH THE BRIDGES AND TUNNELS. YEAH. FOREVER CHANGES. 
          WHAT? THIS WHY PEOPLE MOVE HERE, RIGHT? THE. TO ME, THAT'S THE MARTIN COUNTY DIFFERENCE. SIR. 
          I CAN RUN THROUGH THIS. YOUR REFERENDUM FOR THE TWO ACRES. I SUPPORT THE SAILFISH BALL FIELDS. I SUPPORT FOR REFERENDUM. BECKY BRUNER WAS THE ONE THAT MADE THE MOTION TO SELL OFF YOUR BASEBALL FIELDS. IT NEVER GOT SECONDED. SO IT NEVER HAPPENED. THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT FOR, I BELIEVE, CONDOS OR TOWNHOMES. BUT I SUPPORT SAVING THAT. REVIEWING THE PARKING FOR THE COURTHOUSE AND HOW BRIGHTLINE WOULD UTILIZE IT. 
          ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THAT THE WILL IT BE EXTENSION. I SIT ON THE MPO BOARD WITH YOU. MY THOUGHTS ON THAT ARE IF IT WAS MORE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON CENTRAL PARKWAY, IT WOULD HAVE MADE MORE SENSE. BUT PRIOR BOARD MEMBERS WENT AND OBLITERATED CENTRAL PARKWAY WITH COMMERCIAL TO MULTIFAMILY ZONING CHANGES. SO NOW YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF FAMILIES THAT LIVE THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTED, NOT A FAN OF IT. YOU WOULD SUPPORT NO BUILD. I'D SUPPORT A NO BUILD. AND IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THAT OPTION WAS NEVER EVEN PRESENTED TO US THEN WHEN WE BROUGHT IT UP, OF COURSE, YOU CAN ALWAYS. OH YEAH, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN THERE LIKE ALL THE OTHER ONES, BUT WHOOPS, HOUDINI TOOK IT OUT. WEIRD. THE POND MANAGEMENT, I'M ACTUALLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT BECAUSE I USED IT AS A CAMPAIGN TOOL. SURE. YEAH, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO REPUBLISH THAT VIDEO. SO YES, I SUPPORT THE MECHANICAL. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE COST OF IT. WE NEVER GOT REAL NUMBERS YET, SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A REAL LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD COST BASED ON THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO CONSIDER. YEAH. SO THAT ONE 
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I, I DO AGREE WITH YOU ON THE WHOLE RATE INCREASES PERTAINING TO STAFF COLA. YOU KNOW, 7 TO 10% INCREASES. THAT'S NOT A COST OF LIVING INCREASE. THAT'S A THAT'S A PAY INCREASE AT THE TIME IT WAS. AND I'VE LEARNED THIS LATER. THIS I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT AT THE TIME, BUT IT WAS TO CATCH UP WITH THE MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE. OKAY. SO THE MINIMUM OF 14 RIGHT NOW. 
          NOW AND THEN IT GOES 10% RAISE ACROSS ALL SALARIES. YEAH. TO YOU KNOW IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE. BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAPPEN WITH THE PRESENTATION OR TALKING ABOUT IT. YEAH. MAKES SENSE. IT MAKES SENSE AND IT DOESN'T. YEAH. THE BACKYARD CHICKENS I SUPPORT AND THE REALTOR ASSOCIATION SHOULD SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL FOR PROPERTY RIGHTS, NOT NOT FOR US. SO YEAH, THEY THEY SHOULD SUPPORT THAT. THE HALF CENT SALES TAX. YEAH. THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT ACQUIRING MORE LAND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT I KNOW YOU WANTED TO DO THE THE DRAINAGE. YEAH. AND THE MONEY MIGHT ONLY GO SO FAR LESS ABOUT THE MONEY. THE MONEY'S THERE. BUT IN TALKING TO RUTH THE USES. 
          YEAH. YEAH. DID YOU SEE THAT? I WROTE IT DOWN IN HERE. YEAH. SO IT WAS INTERESTING SHE BROUGHT THAT TO MY ATTENTION. OH, IS THAT NEVER REALLY CAME UP BEFORE. YEAH. SOMETHING ABOUT FINANCE. PLAN, CONSTRUCT INFRASTRUCTURE AND ACQUIRE LAND FOR RECREATION OR PROTECTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES. YEAH. RECREATION. CONSERVATION. SO, LIKE YOUR THREE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S IT'S MAINLY CONSERVATION FOR BUYING LAND. YOU HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR RECREATION LAND. AND THEN YOU MIGHT I GUESS YOU COULD MAKE A CASE FOR LIKE DREDGING THE CANALS. YOU CAN MAKE A CASE FOR SOMETHING THAT'S PROTECTING FRAZIER CREEK. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE EVEN THE PONDS. I DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU'RE DOING THESE THINGS THAT ARE PROTECTING NATURAL RESOURCES. YOU KNOW, I THINK RUTH WANTED TO GO EVEN IN THE DIRECTION OF DREDGING OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW? YEAH. WE JUST SENT THAT LETTER OFF HILL. A FUTURE CITY HALL SITE. YEAH. 
          WHAT DO YOU THINK? NO PARKING GARAGE, GREEN SPACE. AND I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. JUST NOT. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE WHOLE MULTIFAMILY. I DON'T WANT TO SEE A MIXED USE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE MIXED USE. AND OBVIOUSLY WE WON'T HAVE THE SHARED PARKING. SO YOU'RE SAYING LIKE A SMALLER SCALE COMMERCIAL? SORT OF LIKE WHAT WAS THERE BUT REVAMPED MATCH, WHAT'S EXISTING IN OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN? THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON THAT. NOT LIKE THREE AND FOUR STORY STUFF, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY NOT. NO, NO, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BLOCK THE SUN AND THE WATER VIEW FROM EVERYBODY. LIKE I THINK YOUR NEIGHBORS STILL WANT SUNLIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T BUILD A THREE STORY HOUSE FOR MY NEIGHBOR. I COULD HAVE ACTUALLY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. YEAH, IT WAS A MINIMUM TWO STORY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE STORY ON MY OWN HOUSE, IT WAS MINIMUM TWO STORY, AND I HAD TO COME IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD AND ASK FOR PERMISSION TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOUSE. WAS THAT THAT WAS BEFORE THAT WAS URBAN CODE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT WAS BEFORE CREEK. THAT WAS. 
          YEAH. AND IT STILL MIGHT BE LIKE THAT. BUT THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. BUT YES, I HAD TO PAY MONEY TO THE CITY TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. YEP. WHAT ELSE YOU GOT? THE CURRENT CITY OR. ALL RIGHT. SO WE TALKED ABOUT WE TALKED ABOUT THE CURRENT ONE. RIGHT. BUT THE FUTURE CORRECT. AND FUTURE. SO WE DID WE DID FUTURE. LET'S DO CURRENT. YEAH. SO CURRENT CURRENTLY HERE. YEAH. SO CURRENTLY I TALKED ABOUT IT NO PARKING GARAGE ETCETERA ETCETERA. YOU SAID FUTURE NO GARAGE. YEAH. SO FUTURE NO GARAGE AT WELLS AND AND HERE AS WELL. SO I, I MIGHT HAVE GOT THEM CROSSED. SO HERE I'D LIKE TO SEE THE TWO STORY COMMERCIAL WITH SOME PARKING, SOME GREEN SPACE LIKE EXTENDING OSCEOLA KIND OF A THING. OKAY. YEAH, JUST TO MATCH IT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW WITH THE CURRENT. SO COMMERCIAL EXTENSION AND THEN KEEP LIKE HAVING THE EXISTING PARKING AND SORT OF MAXIMIZING GREEN SPACE ON THIS PORTION OF IT. RIGHT. LIKE A PARK KIND OF THING. YEAH. GOT IT. OKAY. SO THEN LET'S GO. 
          FUTURE OKAY. SO THE FUTURE. BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK? NO PARKING GARAGE. I KNOW THEY ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT HAVING THE CITY HALL BUILDING SEPARATE SO WE COULD CLOSE DOWN ALL THE OTHER 
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DEPARTMENTS. THAT WAS ALWAYS DISCUSSED. THE CANCER CENTER WOULD BE CHAMBERS. YEAH. HAVING THAT BE SLIGHTLY MORE SEPARATE. AND THEN AS FAR AS I BELIEVE, URBAN IS IT URBAN CENTER THAT WANTED TO DO THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST OF. SO THEY HAD RFP OUT THAT WHOLE SECTION. AND IF IT IS TO BE APARTMENTS, WE WOULD BE BOUND TO THAT RFP. BUT IF WE DID SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT, WE WOULD, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, NOT BE BOUND TO WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD APARTMENTS THERE, BUT IF WE BUILD APARTMENTS, WE HAVE TO BUILD WHAT WAS OUR PROJECT? SO IF WE WANTED TO DO COMMERCIAL, IF YOU WANTED TO DO A PARK, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS WHAT I YEAH, I WOULD LOVE FOR THAT TO BE SOME KIND OF SPACE THERE. YOU HAD MENTIONED HAVING THE INCOME PRODUCING. YEAH I YEAH. SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO EITHER ONE. IF IT WAS COMMERCIAL VERSUS GREEN SPACE, I'M FINE WITH EITHER ONE OF THAT. SAME KIND OF THING LIKE ONE TWO STORY KIND OF. 
          RIGHT. YEAH. WE DON'T WANT LIKE WHAT GOT APPROVED WITH CITY TOSS AND STUFF AND IT'S HALF THE PARKING REQUIREMENT. AND THAT'S THE CONCERN IS, IS MAKING SURE THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF ULTIMATELY TO OCCUPY WELLS ALONG WITH ANYTHING, ANY KIND OF USE THAT'S HAPPENING. YEAH. SO NOT OVERBUILDING THAT OUT. BECAUSE YOU WANT TO HAVE AS MUCH OF THAT PARKING FOR AM CORRECT. YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT. I THINK IT'S HAPPENING ON THAT PARCEL. YOU KIND OF NEED THAT FOR OVERFLOW FOR EVENTS. FROM MY NOTES, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE FIRE TAX. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. I JUST I WANT PEOPLE THAT ARE UTILIZING 911 SERVICES TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. LIKE I KNOW WE ALL AS TAXPAYERS PAY A MINIMUM, BUT IF SOMEONE IS JUST CONSTANTLY 911, WHETHER IT'S ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY OR A COMMERCIAL PLAZA LIKE'T EVEN KNOW LEGALLY IF YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW. I THINK WE HAVE A CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT SAYS ABOVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT THEY'RE FINED. 
          OH, IF THEY CALL 911. YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, I USED TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF PORT SAINT LUCIE, AND I REMEMBER AN ISSUE COMING UP. THEY THEY HAD A SIMILAR ORDINANCE. WHEN YOU LET'S SAY IT'S MORE THAN EIGHT A MONTH, YOU GET FINED SO MANY CALLS. 
          AND THERE WAS A REHAB FACILITY, NURSING HOME THAT THEY IT WAS OUR IMPRESSION THAT THEY HAD TO DIAL NINE TO GET OUT. AND SO PEOPLE WOULD CALL 914 AREA CODE BUT HIT ONE TWICE. AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF FALSE CALLS. AND AND IT WAS ONE I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE 30 A MONTH. SO IT WAS LIKE PRETTY RIDICULOUS. AND WE HAD ASKED THEM TO CHANGE THE NINE TO AN EIGHT TO, YOU KNOW, TO DIAL OUT. AND, AND SO I REMEMBER THAT ISSUE COMING UP BECAUSE WE KEPT HAVING TO FIND THEM AND IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BOTHER THEM. THEY JUST KEPT PAYING THE FINE. SO YEAH. SO IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES BECAUSE LIKE WE HAVE THE ALARM, TAKE THE ALARM PERMIT, FOR EXAMPLE. IF YOU HAVE TOO MANY FALSE ALARMS, WHAT HAPPENS? YOU GET BILLED. RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          SO LIKE WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THEN IF SOMEONE'S CALLING 911 CONSTANTLY USING THE SERVICES, HOW DOES THAT WORK? LEE IS THERE A THRESHOLD WHERE SOMEBODY WOULD GET BILLED? I GET BILLED FOR MY ALARM IF THERE'S FALSE ALARMS. WELL, PUBLIC SAFETY OR SOMETHING. NOT NOT IF YOU HAD A FALSE ALARM. I, I'M NOT POSITIVE ON THIS, BUT WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE FIRE COME IN. BUT I DON'T THINK IF YOU HAD A FALSE ALARM THAT YOU'D BE FINED. I THINK THERE'S A IF I RECALL THE HOLD ME TO THIS. I'M SPECULATING. I THINK THERE'S A LIMIT. IF YOU HAD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CALLS ABOVE THAT AND YOU WOULD BE FINE, BUT LIKE, LIKE TAKE FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT. THEY BASE THE MSTU RATE RIGHT FOR OUR MILLAGE. HOW MANY CALLS DOES THAT GET YOU THEN. 
          RIGHT. DOES THAT DOES THAT MAKE SENSE. BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY STATE AND COUNTY WIDE. BUT IF YOU'RE JUST YOU'RE SHOWING UP TO A BUNCH OF CALLS. IF MY NEIGHBOR GETS TEN CALLS A MONTH FOR 911 AND I MIGHT CALL ONCE A YEAR, SO THEN MAYBE HAVING, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, AN AGENDA ITEM EVEN TO DISCUSS HOW THE MECHANICS. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ABOVE MY UNDERSTANDING. WELL IT'S GETTING DATA RIGHT. SO AND AND A LOT OF THIS STUFF SHOULD BE DONE WITH BUDGET WORKSHOP AS WELL. IT KIND OF CORRELATES BECAUSE THEN FIRE RESCUE CAN PROVIDE LIKE CAD DATA ON CERTAIN ADDRESSES OR PHONE NUMBERS. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY 
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RECORD STUFF, BUT THIS PERSON OVER HERE, IF THEY SHOWED UP 200 TIMES IN A FISCAL YEAR AND THEY CAME TO THIS GUY ONCE, WHY ARE THEY PAYING THE SAME AMOUNT, THE MILLAGE RATE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT GOES OFF PROPERTY VALUES AS WELL BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO DRIFT. YOU DON'T WANT TO DRIFT TOO FAR INTO THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT'S THE AVAILABILITY OF PUBLIC SAFETY THAT YOU CAN'T CORRECT. AND THAT'S WHAT COMES IN. RIGHT? WE'RE ALL PAYING A BASE FEE, SO WE'RE ALL ENTITLED TO, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF NUMBER OF CALLS AS FAR AS I LOOK AT IT. BUT YEAH, THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON THAT. LET ME SEE WHAT ELSE I HAD. OH, I THINK I FOUND IT HERE IN OUR CODE. OKAY. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE MAGIC NUMBER IS THREE FALSE ALARMS WITHIN ANY FISCAL YEAR IS EXCESSIVE AND CONSTITUTES A PUBLIC NUISANCE. SO THAT SEEMS TO BE THE NUMBER. IT'S NOT ONE. 
          IT'S THREE. YEAH I KNOW IT WASN'T ONE BECAUSE I'VE HAD THEM COME OUT YOU KNOW BEFORE. 
          THAT WAS WHEN SOMEONE BROKE IN. BUT YEAH. AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SOME AVAILABILITY UNDER CODE ENFORCEMENT AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCEEDINGS THE CITY MADE DUE TO CIVIL ACTION TO RECOVER UNPAID SERVICE CHARGES. SO WE DO HAVE SOMETHING IN OUR CODE, OBVIOUSLY, THAT ADDRESSES IT. AS FAR AS THE CHICKEN STUFF I WAS, I WAS WATCHING EULA TALKED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE GROUND FLOOR FARMS, THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S WHY IT CAME BACK. I MEAN, HAD A COMMISSIONER THAT WAS TIED TO THAT PROPERTY. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE AT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE OR ANY KIND OF BACKYARD. AND I'M SURE IT PROBABLY SAYS THAT IN THE ORDINANCE, I THINK. SO IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I LOOKED AT IT, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS. THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT DESIGNATIONS. YOU WEREN'T ALLOWED TO HAVE IT OUTSIDE OF THAT COMMERCIAL OPERATION LIKE THAT. YEAH. AND AS FAR AS THIS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTIFICATION, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE SOME DO PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION, I DON'T KNOW, OR PEOPLE LIKE, OH, I'M IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR I'M IN THIS. I'VE HEARD A CASE FOR OVERALL CITY PRIDE, YOU KNOW, HAVING STICKERS AND LIKE PEOPLE REALLY BEING PROUD OF BEING IN THE CITY AS A UNIQUE ENTITY VERSUS MARTIN NEIGHBORHOOD. WISE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. I'VE NEVER IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD THAT. YEAH. I COULD SEE CITYWIDE, LIKE WE LIVE IN THE CITY AND NOT THE CITY OF PSL. AND IT'S A, IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO LIVE IN THE CITY FOR HAVING FLAGS UP. YOU MENTIONED THE CRA AND EXPANDING IT OR EXTENDING IT. I MEAN, SURE, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. WELL, IF THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO IT WOULDN'T THEY? LEE. 
          YEAH, YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT THERE'S A I WASN'T HERE WHEN WE DID IT LAST TIME, BUT I BELIEVE WE'VE DONE WE'VE EXPANDED IT FROM, FROM WHAT THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS. BUT SO I'VE NOT GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF EXPANDING IT. BUT I IN MY WHEN IT WAS ASKED EARLIER, I TRIED TO LOOK AT THE STATUTE. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT THERE'S BLIGHTED CONDITIONS. 
          AND I DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS, BUT PHILOSOPHY INTO THE WEEDS WITH IT. SO LIKE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS LIKE US BEING A CITY, IT WOULD BE LUDICROUS TO SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT NO MORE CRA MONEY. WHY WOULD WE GIVE IT BACK TO THE COUNTY? THAT MAKES ZERO SENSE. 
          WELL, HANG TIGHT HOLISTICALLY THOUGH, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE ALL THE MONEY'S COMING OUT OF GENERAL FUND, COUNTY AND CITY. I NEED THAT TO PAY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. RIGHT. SO SO ONE POINT IS THAT TWO AND THIS IS THIS IS A LARGER CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, EXPANSION VERSUS NOT VERSUS EVEN MAKING IT SMALLER, YOU KNOW, TWO, THE NATURE OF A CRA IS TO TRY TO INCREASE TAX REVENUE AND INCREASE TAX BASE. SO FUNDAMENTALLY THE PURPOSE OF A CRA IS TO INCREASE EVERYONE'S TAXES. CORRECT. AND YEAH, THIRDLY, THE FUNCTION OF CRA IS TO INCREASE DENSITY AND DEVELOPMENT. IT'S TO PAVE THE WAY FOR TO MAKE AN AREA MORE DEVELOPABLE. YES. ALL OF THESE THINGS, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, ARE ANTAGONISTIC TO WHAT THE AVERAGE PERSON LIVES HERE WANTS IS MORE DEVELOPMENT, HIGHER TAXES, AND LESS MONEY AVAILABLE TO GO TO PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH WILL ULTIMATELY RAISE THEIR TAXES. SO I KNOW IT'S A LARGER I THINK, BUT IT SEEMS THIS, THIS WHOLE IDEA, NOT THAT I'M RECOMMENDING DOING AWAY WITH CRAS, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT. IT'S LIKE EXPANDING THEM. MY, MY PROBLEM WITH CRA AND GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL IS WE'RE ACCELERATING ONE DEVELOPMENT REDEVELOPMENT BLIGHTED AREAS. MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I BELIEVE IN BLIGHTED AREAS. WE ALL DON'T LIVE IN SEWELL'S POINT OR SAILFISH POINT, RIGHT? 
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YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE AND THAT'S WHERE AFFORDABILITY COMES IN, RIGHT? IF YOU WANT TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY THOUGHT PROCESS. THAT CAN'T JUST BE AN APARTMENTS, CORRECT. IT USED TO BE TRAILERS. NOW IT'S TURNED INTO OVERPRICED ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS AND YOU OWN NOTHING. YOU DON'T CREATE GENERATIONAL WEALTH THAT WAY. SO WE'RE SIMULTANEOUSLY TRYING TO ERASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEN BUILD APARTMENTS. YEAH. CORRECT. 
          AND IT WAS PITCHED TO THE BOARD AS IF WE HAD MORE INVENTORY. IT'LL MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE. 
          NOPE. WHAT HAPPENED WAS IS WE'RE THE NUMBER ONE SEASIDE TOWN AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO MOVE HERE. THAT WAS SOMEBODY DIDN'T DO THE MATH. YEAH. WHAT IF YOU BUILD IT? GUESS WHAT. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE HERE. IT WILL COME. SO THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY THING. EULA, DID YOU KNOW SHE TALKED ABOUT CIVILITY? I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT BETTER AS A BOARD. YEAH I THINK WITH THE NEW CHAIR, IT SHOULD BE A LOT BETTER. I FEEL LIKE I'M NOT GOING TO BE CUT OFF THE MICROPHONE WHEN I'M TALKING, OR ASKING QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION TOWARDS THE PUBLIC OR TOWARDS STAFF, SO THAT'S NICE. THE THE BAKER BAKER CREEK TRAILHEAD, HOW DO YOU FEEL? SUPPORT IT. BECAUSE THAT COULD BE A HALF CENT SALES TAX. SOME OF THAT MONEY COULD GO INTO THAT. DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TOTAL OF WHAT IT WOULD BE RIGHT NOW. AND I SAW LAURA, LAURA MENTIONED THAT WHOLE TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC STUDIES. I HAVE MY OWN THOUGHTS ON THAT. 
          WHAT DO YOU THINK? YEAH. WELL, LEE, THIS THIS IS FOR YOU. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY FAIL? I'M BEING HONEST. YOU EVER SEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY FAIL? I CAN'T SAY THAT I HAVE, NEITHER CAN I. BUT EVEN IF IT DID, WHAT DOES IT EVEN MEAN? WELL, SHOULD THE DEVELOPMENT COME ONLINE? SO, LIKE. AND I KNOW THIS IS MORE STATE STUFF, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY FAIL. DOTTIE LOOKS AT ROADS AS EITHER UNDER CAPACITY, AT CAPACITY OR OVER CAPACITY. 
          AND THEN THEY GIVE YOU A NICE LITTLE RATING. RIGHT? BUT EVEN IF IT'S LEVEL E DOESN'T MATTER AND YOU FAIL, MAYBE BUILD LIKE. COME ON. SO THAT THAT'S MY OPINION ON THAT. WHY DO WE EVEN REQUIRE THEM? LEE. IT'S VESTIGIAL. VESTIGIAL LIKE I GOT A QUESTION. DOES IT DOES IT MAKE US FEEL GOOD IN OUR HEART BY ASKING THE APPLICANT, HEY, GO GET A TRAFFIC STUDY. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE YOU SPEND MORE MONEY AND MAKE THE PROCESS HARDER. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO US. YOU WASTE MONEY, THE CITY HAS TO OVERSEE IT AND WASTE MONEY AND TIME ON THAT. 
          YOU'RE HAVING A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT QUESTIONS. I THINK IF YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR IN HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THIS, BECAUSE, YEAH, THAT'S FINE. WE DON'T HAVE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS IN HERE. YEAH, YEAH. NO, I UNDERSTAND I'M JUST RANTING A LITTLE BIT TOO. IT'S FINE. IT IS. IT'S RELAXED. LAURA TALKED ABOUT IMPACT FEES. SO HERE'S HERE'S MY THOUGHTS ON IT RIGHT. WHAT ARE WE LIKE $375 TO CHANGE A HOT WATER HEATER OUT? I'M ASSUMING I DON'T KNOW IF I LOOKED AT THE FEE SCHEDULE SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. COMMERCIAL COSTS MORE. WHICH MULTIFAMILY? EVEN THOUGH IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE ONE, IT'S CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL. EVEN THOUGH IT'S A RESIDENTIAL UNIT? YES, WITH SB1 80, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE COULD CHANGE OUR IMPACT FEES BECAUSE FOR ONE OR THE OTHER, IT'S GOING TO BE CONSIDERED MORE BURDENSOME. SO WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, LIKE WITH IMPACT FEES, IS I THINK A DEVELOPER CARES ABOUT IMPACT FEES. ABSOLUTELY NOT. NOW, IF YOU'RE BUILDING A HOUSE, A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO OWN AND LIVE THERE AND HOMESTEAD, YOU ABSOLUTELY CARE. BUT A DEVELOPER JUST PASSES IT OFF TO THE CONSUMER. WHEN WE WERE DOING IT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS I BROUGHT UP IS COULD WE COULD WE MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, EASIER BASICALLY TO BUILD A HOUSE, ABSOLUTELY HARDER TO BUILD APARTMENTS. AND THAT WAS CONTENTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ONLY SO MUCH YOU COULD DO WITHOUT BEING UNFAIR. 
          OR I WAS ASKING PACK FEES BEFORE, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT I'M NOT AN EXPERT AT IMPACT FEES. SO IF YOU ASK ME A QUESTION, IT WAS A LOT OF LAYERS TO IT, RIGHT? I'D HAVE TO RESEARCH IT AND AND GET BACK TO YOU. SO WHAT I WOULD APPRECIATE IS IF YOU COULD LOOK UP, IF WE COULD REVISIT IT, BECAUSE AT THE TIME THERE WAS LIKE A FIVE YEAR CYCLE THAT THAT WE DID IT. BUT I'M WONDERING, IS IT SOMETHING YOU CAN BRING BACK UP AND, AND REVISIT BEFORE THAT CYCLE, OR IF WE'RE BOUND TO A CERTAIN RHYTHM THAT WE HAVE TO HOLD? SO THAT WAS THAT FOR IMPACT FEES. BUT TALKING ABOUT THE HOT WATER HEATER STUFF, RIGHT. SO LIKE EVEN IF YOU INCREASE FEES, MY THOUGHT IS MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO UNPERMITTED WORK BECAUSE IT'S BURDENSOME JUST TO PAY $375 FOR AN INSPECTOR TO COME OUT AND GO, OKAY, YOU'RE GOOD. BUT LIKE, MAYBE DON'T HIRE SOMEONE THAT'S NOT LICENSED AND STUFF. YOU'LL YOU'LL SEE THAT. AND THEN THEY DETER THEM FROM PULLING PERMITS. SO IT'S, IT'S A FINE LINE BY CHARGING TOO MUCH VERSUS TOO LITTLE. AND I GUESS IT'S A REVENUE GENERATOR FOR US. I 
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KNOW LAURA TALKED ABOUT THE HOMELESS PROBLEM AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IT'S IT'S HARD FOR US TO GO BUILD A PROPERTY AND, AND GIVE IT AND HAVE SOMEONE MANAGE. IT IS HARD. HER HER ANGLE, WHICH YOU SAW IF YOU WERE WATCHING, WAS TRYING TO SUPPORT EXISTING ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE DOING IT. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN VERY ADAMANT AGAINST HAVING IT HAPPEN ON CITY PROPERTY OR, YOU KNOW, THAT IS OWNED BY EVERYBODY. AND SO ALLOWING SOME PEOPLE TO HAVE CHEAPER RATE RENT AT THE EXPENSE OF EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY, I THINK IS INAPPROPRIATE. YEAH. BUT SHE, SHE WAS GOING MORE IN THE DIRECTION OF SUPPORTING EITHER THROUGH, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING MULTIFAMILY ON THAT PROPERTY WITH SALVATION ARMY OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW THE NATURE OF, OF WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. BUT I GUESS THEY TALKED TO HER. YEAH. EITHER BEING LESS RESTRICTIVE OF WHAT GOES THERE AND OR EITHER GIVING THEM MONEY OR FINDING GRANTS. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH GIVING MONEY AWAY TAXPAYER MONEY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. BUT IF THERE WAS AN AVAILABILITY THROUGH THE CRA TO HELP THEM GET GRANTS OR SOMETHING, WHAT I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME WITH IS, I MEAN, WE ALL CAMPAIGNED ON NO MORE MULTIFAMILY, RIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU HOW CAN YOU PICK AND CHOOSE. RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S WE SAID NO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ASKED FOR. WE DIDN'T SAY HEY, NO, BUT. RIGHT. SO IT'S KIND OF THAT'S THAT'S A HARD THING. I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME VOTING FOR THAT BECAUSE OF THAT. YEAH. AS MUCH AS I WANT TO HELP. 
          LET'S SEE. I KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT AND 40%, I GUESS THE COUNTY MIGHT HAVE A TRACKING SYSTEM. I KNOW LEE MENTIONED, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ONE EITHER. LEE I NEVER LOOKED INTO THAT. THEY ALSO MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE ROAD CLOSURE WITH THE BOAT SHOW. I THINK THE BOAT SHOW SHOULD STAY, OF COURSE. YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO SALERNO. YOU DON'T HAVE THE SEAFOOD FEST NO MORE. THAT WAS FUN. YEAH. AND IF YOU MISSED OUT, YOU MISSED OUT. SO I DON'T YOU KNOW, TO ME, THAT'S NOT LIKE THAT DOESN'T TURN US INTO A FESTIVAL CITY BY HAVING A BOAT SHOW. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          NO, I GOT I THINK THAT'S IT. YOU HAMMERED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. MY. 
          YEAH. MY, MY AND I CAN I'LL. I'LL COMPARE THE CITY TO THE COUNTY. RIGHT. SO LIKE WHEN YOU SUBMIT A PERMIT APPLICATION IN THE COUNTY, YOU GET A RESPONSE BACK FROM ALL DEPARTMENTS. YOU ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS DON'T COME BACK AFTER THE FACT OVER SOMETHING ELSE AFTER YOU'VE ALREADY DONE A REVIEW, BECAUSE THEN IT TURNS INTO BACK AND FORTH OVER MULTIPLE LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT. SHOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT THE FIRST TIME. I KNOW I'VE HEARD DISCUSSION ABOUT MAKING IT TO WHERE THEY COULD GET THEIR OWN DONE, LIKE PRIVATE. LIKE, SAY, IF I WENT AND HIRED SOMEONE. YOU CAN DO THAT FOR FLORIDA BUILDING CODE STUFF, BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. PLANNING AND ZONING. SO WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING? JUST TRYING TO STREAMLINE. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF DEADLINE. FOR EXAMPLE, IT SHOULDN'T TAKE 6 TO 9 MONTHS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCES. I JUST THINK THAT'S ENTIRELY TOO LONG. SO I THINK FOR SOME OF THESE APPLICATIONS, THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF TIMELINE THAT GOES WITH THEM, BUT IT DOESN'T OUTLINE IT IN OUR MUNI CODE. I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE IT DOES BELIEVE. HAVE YOU TALKED TO JODI? I HAVE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT THROUGHOUT LIKE THE YEAR AMENDMENTS AND I'VE MENTIONED IT AND SOME OF MY COMMENTS BECAUSE I THINK YOU MIGHT IF YOU RAISE THAT ISSUE AND AND YOU TALK TO HER, SHE MAY HAVE SOLUTIONS, YOU KNOW, ON HER END THAT SHE NEEDS THINGS FROM US. YEAH. NO. AND THEY'RE AWARE OF IT. I'VE MENTIONED IT. I'VE PROBABLY MENTIONED IT LIKE SIX TIMES. I FEEL LIKE IN MY COMMENTS, MAYBE NOT THAT DETAILED THE STAFFING ISSUE. IF IT'S SOME SORT OF ISSUE INTERNALLY OR WHATEVER IT IS. YEAH. I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT'S I MEAN, I'M NOT IN THAT DEPARTMENT, SO I WOULDN'T KNOW FOR SURE. I FINALLY HAVE ACCESS TO THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AS LIKE AN EMPLOYEE LOGIN. BUT I WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT I SHOULDN'T BE THE ONLY ONE JUST BECAUSE I'M AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. I USED TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT WHEN I WAS A REGULAR CITIZEN OFF THE OLD, OLD SYSTEM. AND YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING. YOU COULD SEE PEOPLE'S WATER BILLS, LITERALLY EVERYTHING YOU COULD SEE AT PERMITS, HISTORICAL STUFF. SO THAT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE IT BACK. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I GOT, THOUGH. YOU'RE THE MAN. ANYTHING I MISSED. I KNOW GOING THROUGH THE MUNI CODE WOULD HELP. LIKE, I KNOW. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF STUFF OFFHAND, BUT BASICALLY JUST THE APPLICATION PROCESS, CLEANING UP SOME LANGUAGE, AND JODI'S 
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GOING TO HAVE ALL OF HER REVISIONS ON THAT. I'VE SPOKE TO HER. THEY HAD NOTES DURING THE ZONING IN PROGRESS, BUT WE DIDN'T FOCUS ON THEIR NOTES BECAUSE WE WERE DOING IT. THIS, YOU KNOW, DIRECTION. BUT THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF NOTES IN THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT FOR THINGS THAT THEY NEED CLARIFICATION ON. AND FORM BASED CODE IS NOT THAT BAD IN MY OPINION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW WHY FORM BASED CODE WAS THERE FOR YOU, STUART AND THE DISTRICT. IT WAS TO MAKE DEVELOPMENT REDEVELOPMENT EASIER. SO LIKE IF I SHOWED YOU A FLASH CARD, BLAH BLAH BLAH. WHAT CHANGED THOUGH? WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE ZONING. SO AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT TOMORROW. GOTTA PLUG YOUR IN CASE. ANYBODY WATCHING. YEAH WE GOT A TOWN HALL MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT, 5 TO 8 P.M. 10TH STREET REC CENTER. YES. 
          WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT? LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGENDA PACKETS, AGENDAS, MUNICODE. I CAN EXPLAIN FORM BASED CODE. HOW? IF YOU WANT TO GET INVOLVED, HOW DO YOU GET INVOLVED? AWESOME. JUST GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL, BECAUSE DEMYSTIFYING IT. YEAH. I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOWN AT CITY HALL OVER THE LAST YEAR. I DON'T SPEND AS MUCH TIME DOWN HERE AS I DID THE FIRST SIX MONTHS. I FELT LIKE I WAS DOWN HERE FOR LIKE 40 HOURS A WEEK. 
          IT'S A FIREHOSE. YEAH, YEAH, LEE CAN ATTEST TO THAT. AND I KNOW THEY DON'T SEE ME AS MUCH DOWN HERE. EVERYTHING'S OKAY. I'M JUST BUSY WITH WORK. BUT I DON'T COME DOWN HERE BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE ASKING QUESTIONS UNLESS I NEED AN ANSWER TO SOMETHING THAT I CAN'T FIGURE OUT. SO THAT'S ONE OF MY BIGGEST THINGS, IS I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO GET THE INFORMATION AT MY FINGERTIPS. AND YOU'RE EMPOWERING RESIDENTS TO DO THE SAME THING. CORRECT? THAT'S THE GOAL. 35 MINUTES. YOU'RE THE MAN. WELL, I, I, I WATCHED PRIOR MEETINGS FANTASTIC. MADE A BUNCH OF NOTES AND I'LL TURN THEM IN FOR PUBLIC RECORDS AS WELL. ALRIGHT. YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. I'LL CLOSE IT OUT. YEAH. AND I KNOW THEY TALKED ABOUT ENGAGING THE PUBLIC MORE. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT LAURA WAS GETTING AT. LIKE DID SHE WANT LIKE EMPLOYEES INTERVIEWED, DEPARTMENT HEADS INTERVIEWED. I AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, IT SEEMED LIKE SHE WANTED TO HAVE MAYBE EMPLOYEE PROFILES OR VIDEOS OR DEPARTMENTAL TO HELP PEOPLE BE MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS. MAYBE ON THE WEBSITE, YOU KNOW, BUT IS ALSO UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA. I KNOW WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. YEAH. SO WE DID THAT IN THE PAST. BUT IN THE PAST IT WASN'T NECESSARILY LIKE WHAT LAURA WAS SAYING. IN THE PAST IT WAS DURING GOVERNMENT. 
          WE. RIGHT. YEAH. AND THEY WOULD INTERVIEW SOMEONE. THEY WOULD DESCRIBE WHO THEY WERE, WHAT THEY DID. BUT I THINK HAVING IT ON THE WEBSITE FOR LIKE EVEN FOR DEPARTMENT HEADS BECAUSE LIKE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GOT TO GO UPDATE IT? I FEEL LIKE ANYTIME WE ADD LIKE A MAINTENANCE ITEM, IT'S HARDER TO UPKEEP IT. AND WHOEVER DOES MAINTAIN THE WEBSITE DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB THERE. I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IT'D BE DARREN AND MISTY, DARREN AND MISTY. 
          THEY DO A REALLY GOOD JOB EACH. EACH DEPARTMENT INDIVIDUALLY TAKES CARE OF THEIR OWN WEB PAGES, BUT MISTY KIND OF IS THE LEAD ON DEALING WITH THE COMPANY. SHE'S REALLY GOOD, DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF WEBSITE, AND SHE'LL ACTUALLY SEND OUT A NEWSLETTER SUMMARIZING OUR OUR CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNEW THAT. YEAH. AND I, I READ THOSE AND THEY'RE VERY ACCURATE. I'VE TOLD HER SO THAT'S ALWAYS NICE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I GOT. 
          AM I MISSING ANYTHING? THERE'S THE PUBLIC. I GOT MORE PEOPLE HERE. AM I MISSING ANYTHING THAT NEEDS ADDRESSED? WE'RE HERE. WOULD THAT BE LIKE ABOLISHING THE CRA OR. NO, IT'S JUST GETTING RID OF. THERE'S NO MICROPHONE. IF YOU'D LIKE, COME UP TO THE MIC. YOU WANT TO TALK, JOHN? YES, SIR. SO I KNOW WE'VE TALKED AT NAUSEAM ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS TO FUND THINGS, SO ON AND SO FORTH. OH, MY NAME IS JOHN HATCH, PRESIDENT, LOCAL 2411 STEWART FIREFIGHTERS. YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO BOTH OF YOU ABOUT THAT AND DIFFERENT WAYS TO FUND DIFFERENT PROJECTS, SO ON AND SO. CONSIDER TALKING ABOUT WAS DIFFERENT WAYS TO FUND FOR TRAINING FACILITIES, SO ON AND SO FORTH FOR BOTH. FOR ESPECIALLY PUBLIC. SOURCES AS WELL AS POSSIBLY OUTSIDE INCOME, SO ON AND SO, SO SO I'D JUST LIKE TO PROPOSE YOU GUYS LOOK INTO THAT NOW WHEN IT AND SO LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO CRA FUNDS THEY CAN'T LEAVE THE CRA. SO THE CRA FUNDS WOULD STILL COME IN. THEY WOULD JUST GO TO HOW HOW WOULD THAT EVEN WORK? LEE. LIKE THAT'S FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. THE ONLY TIME I REMEMBER LOOKING AT THIS IN THE PAST WAS JUST IN GENERAL WITH 
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THE CRA, LIKE, RIGHT. IT'S GOTTA BE IT'S GOT TO BE THE FUNDS GOT TO BE UTILIZED IN THE CRA. AND I REMEMBER LOOKING AT IT FROM POLICE STANDPOINT, NOT FROM FIRE, BUT THE POLICE OFFICERS WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, FULLY FULL TIME IN THE CRA, WHICH WOULD BE DIFFICULT, BUT HARD. I DON'T REMEMBER LOOKING AT IT FROM FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S PERSPECTIVE, BUT THERE'S SOME RESTRICTIONS ON HOW YOU CAN USE THE MONEY, OBVIOUSLY. AND I DON'T KNOW, PUTTING IN A NEW TRAINING FACILITY IS ONE OF THOSE. BUT YEAH, I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU THEN. SO LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO THESE BIG PUDS AND STUFF, COULD YOU PUT A STIPULATION ON ON ORDER ON IT TO WHERE THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR A NEW RESCUE OR AN ENGINE, OR IS THAT OUT OF OUR SCOPE? I WOULD PROBABLY SAY THAT'S GOING TO BE OUT OF THE SCOPE OF A REASONABLE CONDITION. 
          I MEAN, I THERE'S WHAT'S CALLED A PAY FOR DRY EYES, WHICH LET'S SAY A, A SIGNIFICANT WE DON'T HAVE THEM HERE. BUT I KNOW LIKE WESTERN PORT, SAINT LUCIE, THEY HAVE THEM WHEN THEY BUILD A MONSTROSITY OF A DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. THEY MIGHT BE REQUIRED TO PAY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF MONEY TOWARDS SCHOOL AND, AND SAFETY, PUBLIC SAFETY. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT A SMALL PUD FOR A GAS STATION THAT YOU REQUIRE THAT I WOULD PROBABLY SAY NO. BUT SO LIKE TALKING LARGE IMPACTS, I'LL GIVE YOU A SCENARIO I WON'T NAME THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. BUT HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, IF SOMEONE WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE MORE LANDSCAPING AND THEY SAID NO BECAUSE IT MET CITY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, HOW DOES THAT WORK? BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST AND THEY'VE AGREED TO IT, RIGHT? THE APPLICANT. BUT WHAT IF WHEN WE WHEN WE'RE PAYING FOR HALF OF THEIR LANDSCAPING, LIKE THROUGH THE CRA, SAY, I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF GOING OUT, BUT THEY DIDN'T FULFILL THEIR CORRECT LIKE AND I'M JUST GIVING YOU A SCENARIO, SAY I'M A DEVELOPER, I COME IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD. MAYOR COLLINS SAYS, HEY, WE WANT MORE LANDSCAPING. WE WANT MORE TREES. WELL, IF MY LANDSCAPE PLAN ALREADY MET LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, I CAN SAY KICK ROCKS. IT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM WITH PUDS IS YOU CAN VIOLATE THEM WITH IMPUNITY, BASICALLY. SO IF IT'S IF YOU STICK TO THE COMP PLAN AND THE LDR AND YOU DON'T MAKE PUD EXCEPTIONS AND ONE OFFS, YOU'RE YOU HAVE MORE OF A HEDGE AGAINST THAT VERY THING. ONCE YOU'RE ONCE YOU HAVE THAT ONE OFF PUD. IT'S VERY HARD TO ENFORCE THOSE TYPES OF WHAT DO YOU DO. YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO PULL THEIR CO OR NOT. NOW YOU GOT TO GO TO COURT. RIGHT. BUT IF THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE THE ELDERS AND THE COMP PLAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE POWER OF THE COMP PLAN IS IT'S REALLY HARD TO CHANGE THAT. WELL I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS JUST YOU GET AN AMENDMENT, YOU DO A THING. IT'S A QUICK RELATIVELY FOR PUD AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR RELIEF FROM THIS SIDEWALK, AND WE PROVIDE THEM RELIEF FROM THE SIDEWALK. BUT THEN YOU'RE LIKE, OH, WE WANT MORE CANOPY TREES. GOOD LUCK MAKING THEM DO THE CANOPY TREES. 
          OH, YOU CAN'T FORCE THEM. BUT YOU ALSO DON'T HAVE TO GO TO COURT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, HOW DO YOU DO REALLY. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH PUD IS IT'S REALLY HARD TO ENFORCE IT. 
          THAT'S THE EXCEPTION ON THE SIDEWALK THEN. BUT IT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL. WE WENT THROUGH THAT WITH SEACOAST. I MEAN WE WE ASKED FOR MORE BUFFERING. YEAH. REMEMBER THAT REDO IT THOUGH. WHAT I'M SAYING IF SOMEONE HYPOTHETICALLY SAYS NO IS THERE ANY YOU THERE IS A CONDITION THAT YOU'RE PLACING ON. WE WANT MORE. RIGHT. WHAT'S THAT CONDITION TELLING THEM TO GO PAY FOR A I LOOK AT IT FROM $5 MILLION. WELL, LET'S NOT LOOK AT DOLLAR AMOUNTS THOUGH. 
          LET'S LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE ASKING THOUGH, I GUESS. AND I AND I'M, I'M THROWING HYPOTHETICALS OUT, LIKE MAKING APPROVAL CONDITIONAL UPON AN ENGINE IS YOU CAN'T. THAT'S NOT LEGAL. 
          THAT'S WHAT. WHAT IS THE TECHNICAL WORD FOR THAT LEE. YOU KNOW THE EXTORTION. IT'S IT'S I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN IT THE CONDITIONAL USE HAS GOT TO BE A REASONABLE CONDITIONAL USE. 
          YOU KNOW HOW LIKE THEY'LL DONATE. YEAH, IT'S TOTALLY SEPARATE. BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE DONATING THIS. YOU GIVE US THIS. AND AND I KNOW DEVELOPERS WILL DO THAT OUT OF THE KINDNESS OF THEIR HEART. RIGHT. AND SOME DEVELOPERS, OBVIOUSLY THEY'LL AGREE TO ANYTHING JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT THAT DEVELOPMENT REGARDLESS. BUT I KNOW IT'S ALWAYS AN ASK. AND YOU KNOW, THEY CAN ALWAYS SAY NO. BUT IF THEY SAY NO, IT'S BACK TO THE ORIGINAL POINT, THOUGH, WITH REGARD TO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HAVING A CONVERSATION, SOME KIND OF ITEM. MAYBE IT'S A CRA MEETING, BUT REALLY DIGGING INTO THE AVAILABLE USES FOR CRA FUNDS. AND IF THERE IS OVERLAP WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, IT IS NOT INAPPROPRIATE OR COULD JEOPARDIZE THE CRA WITH EXAMPLES OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. AND YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR A BURN BUILDING OR IF THERE IS SOME OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE DONE THINGS THAT MAY BE CREATIVE OR 
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OUT OF THE BOX VERSUS THIS, YOU KNOW, STRAIGHTFORWARD USE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS SOME PRECEDENT FOR HOW TO BE CREATIVE WITH THAT FUNSO COULD HELP. YEAH. YOU KNOW. SURE, SURE, SURE. YEAH. I FOUND RIGHT. THEY BREAK PUDS THE WORST. WHAT'S WHAT'S THE WORST? PUDS. 
          OH. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT MAIN STREET. SENATOR REID. SENATOR. NOT YET. 
          YOU MIGHT BE PROPHETIC. YOU MIGHT BE PROPHETIC. I HOPE SO, YEAH. YOU'RE JUMPING THE GUN. 
          I'M SO SORRY. GUM. HEY, VICE MAYOR REID, HEY, I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT MAIN STREET. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN SO CURIOUS ABOUT THIS, I. I THINK WE'RE STILL GIVING THEM, LIKE, 70 GRAND OR SOMETHING A YEAR. WELL, IT REALLY STUCK IN MY CRAW DURING COVID. THEY STILL CAME AND WANTED THAT 70 GRAND AND PEOPLE WERE STRUGGLING SO MUCH. AND I THOUGHT THE MAIN THING IS WE WERE HELPING MAIN STREET, BUT EVENTUALLY THEY WERE GOING TO GET OFF THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST TO HELP THEM. SO WE'RE STILL GIVING THEM A LOT OF MONEY. WHY DO YOU DO YOU LIKE THAT? SO CAN I SPEAK TO IT? YOU MIND? OKAY, MAYOR, YOU CAN GO. I MEAN, YOU TO. YOU SPEAK TO AS WELL. BUT. AND AND HOW I'VE, HOW I'VE TRIED TO PROCESS THIS IS PREVIOUSLY WE HAD A WOMAN ON STAFF AT THE CITY. RIGHT. SO WE'RE PAYING THAT SALARY TO, TO DO BASICALLY THE SAME JOB PLUS BENEFITS. RIGHT. AND NOW NOW IT IS A PUBLIC FUNCTION VERSUS SEMI OUTSOURCING THAT IT'S NOT PRIVATE. THEY'RE KIND OF QUASI PUBLIC. IT'S BUT IT'S THEIR THEY ARE FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THESE THINGS AND REMOVING THAT OBLIGATION FROM THE CITY FOR ROUGHLY THE SAME EXPENSE. AT THE SAME TIME, THEY ARE PAYING TO, TO OPERATE RIVERWALK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE THEY'RE GIVING MORE THAN THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR A FEW THINGS. 
          THEY DO THE ROCK AND RIVERWALK. RIGHT. THERE'S A FEW OF THESE EVENTS THAT THEY DO, SEVERAL OF THESE EVENTS. THEY ALSO. GET THE FLAGLER CENTER, THE ABILITY TO RENT THE FLAGLER CENTER AT A DISCOUNTED RATE. IT'S IT'S THEY STILL RENT IT FOR A REASONABLE RATE, BUT IT'S DISCOUNTED VERSUS MARKET AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO SUBLEASE WITHIN FLAGLER, USE IT FOR EVENTS YOU KNOW AND AND THEN THEY ALSO RUN THE GREEN MARKET. SO THEY ARE ABLE TO GENERATE REVENUE FROM THAT AS WELL. SO OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM IS ALONG THOSE THREE MAJOR. THEY RECEIVE THAT 70 GRAND. WE'RE DOING ROCK AND RIVERWALK AND OPERATING THE MAIN STREET PROGRAM. THEY GET THE GREEN MARKET THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR AND ALSO RECOUP. AND THEN FLAGLER CENTER. ALL THAT SAID, JUST LOOKING AT THEIR NUMBERS, THESE ARE NOT HUGE REVENUE GENERATORS. AND A LOT OF THEIR CONTINUED FUNCTIONALITY. IT DEPENDS ON DONATIONS FROM BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE WITHIN OR FROM MAIN STREET TO EVEN FUNCTION. THEY DON'T HAVE LIKE A LOT OF STAFF. 
          IT'S NOT A HEAVY DUTY OPERATION THAT'S REALLY LUCRATIVE. SO IN A WAY THEY DO GET, THEY DO GET, WHICH IS MORE OF A CONVERSATION OF OF WHAT WOULD BE MORE LIKE BENEFIT TO, YOU KNOW, IS IT WORTH ROCK AND RIVERWALK? IS IT, IS IT WORTH THEY ALSO WILL, WITH FLAGLER RECEIVE DONATIONS TO HAVE LIKE NEW WINDOWS GOT PUT IN AND MAINTAIN AND MANAGE IT. THERE'S YOU KNOW IT'S NOT A CLEAR CUT THING AND IT'S LIKE IS IT WORTH YOU KNOW WHAT YOU GET. BUT FOR ME, I DO LIKE THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT PERSON ON STAFF AND PAY THAT, THAT PENSION AND THOSE BENEFITS AND THAT SAME SERVICES OFFERED TO RESIDENTS. WHAT DO YOU THINK? I GIVE MY THOUGHTS. 
          YEAH, I'LL SUM IT UP REAL EASY. GOVERNMENT IS NOT THAT EFFICIENT. AND IF WE DID IT, LIKE CHRIS SAID, I THINK WE COST TAXPAYERS MORE MONEY. I THINK THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS IF WE'RE GIVING THEM $70,000. I'D LIKE TO SEE DANCING IN THE STREETS COME BACK. LIKE THAT'S WHAT MADE THE CITY GREAT. I THINK THINGS LIKE THIS LIKE, AND OBVIOUSLY I COULD TALK MARTIN COUNTY PINEAPPLE FESTIVAL FOR ANYONE WATCHING AT THE COUNTY. BRING IT BACK. THIS IS WHAT MADE US GREAT. THE BOAT SHOW, THE SEAFOOD FESTIVAL. IT'S JUST I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT SMALL TOWN IS ABOUT, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT WE TOOK THE MONEY FROM STUART MAIN STREET. WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THOSE EVENTS? AND I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO COST. I MEAN, LIKE MAYOR COLLINS SAID, $70,000 IS PROBABLY GOING TO 
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COST MORE FOR AN EMPLOYEE TO DO IT. AND THAT'S BEFORE YOU EVEN GET INTO SPENDING THE MONEY ON ANY. THAT'S TRUE. WAS THAT THE FIRST TIME THEY EVER RECEIVED MONEY? THEN THEY CAME DURING COVID. WAS IT BUMPED UP DURING COVID THEN OR. NOT? I THINK THEY WANTED TO, BUT IT DIDN'T END UP HAPPENING. I THINK THEY EVEN ASKED ROUGHLY. I RECOLLECT THIS, BUT I REMEMBER THE FOURTH. 
          SO MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A DIRECTION FROM STAFF TO UPDATE US ON THE PROGRESSION OF IT, JUST LIKE THE FEC LEASE. THAT'S A THAT'S GARBAGE FOR WHAT, FEC? I MEAN, I LOOKED AT THE HISTORY AND STUFF ON THAT. I SEE YOU LAUGHING, BUT I'M IN THE WRONG BUSINESS AS WELL. LIKE ANYBODY THAT'S RELATED TO FEC, THEY'RE MAKING BANK GRUPO MEXICO. YEAH. AND I WAS ALWAYS TOLD IF YOU CLOSED ONE OR IF YOU WANTED TO ADD ONE, YOU HAD TO CLOSE ONE, BASICALLY BECAUSE FEC DOESN'T WANT RAIL CROSSINGS ANYWAY. AND I HAD MENTIONED THIS TO THE PRIOR CITY MANAGER. RIGHT. 
          BOULEVARD AND DIXIE HIGHWAY MOVING THAT TRAIN, CROSSING DOWN TO THE SIGNALIZED LIGHT. 
          AND IT WAS PUT ON MARTIN COUNTY'S WEBSITE. I STILL HAVE THE SCREENSHOT OF IT. SO IT WAS IN DISCUSSION AT ONE POINT, AND I FORGET WHY I'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH MY EMAILS ON WHY PRIOR CITY MANAGER SAID IT COULDN'T HAPPEN. MIGHT HAVE EMAILED ME ON IT, BUT I THINK STUFF LIKE THAT SHOULD WORK OUT BECAUSE THAT'S A HORRIBLE AREA TO COME OUT OF, OF ALICE STREET THERE. 
          INSTEAD OF JUST MOVING THAT DOWN, BRING IT UP AT A MEETING, AT A MEETING, AT A MEETING, AND WE'LL GET AN AGENDA. I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH LIKE RIGHT AWAY AND STUFF WITH FEC OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. LEE MAYBE, BUT STUFF LIKE THAT SHOULD HAPPEN. 
          IT MAKES IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR TRAFFIC AND STUFF AND SAFER. BUT PEOPLE ARE SCARED TO CROSS THE ROADS NOWADAYS. AND AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING. TALKING ABOUT CRAS, I MENTIONED IT HEAVILY LAST NIGHT WITH THE STREETSCAPE, COMPLETE STREETSCAPES, NARROWING OF ROADS IN MY OPINION, DOESN'T SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN. INSTEAD IT MAKES IT HARDER AND PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO SPEED. YOU CAN'T TEACH COMMON SENSE. YOU CAN TAKE MY NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR EXAMPLE. CHRIS. WE NEVER HAD PARKING LIKE WE DO NOW. NOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT WIDER, BUT PEOPLE STILL SPEED THROUGH THERE. PEOPLE CUT THROUGH THERE. THEY'RE THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO SPEED. I MEAN, YOU CAN ASK, YOU KNOW, DID YOU LIVE OVER THERE BEFORE IT GOT NARROWED IN COLORADO? WE ACTUALLY HAD THE PROPERTY FOR A LONG TIME. SO I ACTUALLY YEAH, WE USED TO YEAH, I GREW UP OVER THERE AND MY, MY AUNTS, GRANDPARENTS. AND YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE IT SLOWED DOWN TRAFFIC WHAT THEY DID TO COLORADO. I MEAN, THERE'S RIGHT HERE I DON'T KNOW I DON'T THINK COLORADO HAS SLOWED DOWN TRAFFIC AT ALL. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SPEED REGARDLESS. THEY GO WITH THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. THEY COULD BE IN A HURRY, WHATEVER IT IS. BUT I ACTUALLY THINK PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN NASTIER WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THEIR DRIVING. LIKE, PEOPLE DON'T EVEN USE TURN SIGNALS. LIKE IF THEY'RE GOING TO MERGE, I WAIT TO SEE IF SOMEONE'S GOING TO USE A TURN. SO JUST BE RESPECTFUL. SOME PEOPLE FORGET WHAT ONE IS THOUGH. BUT YEAH, PEOPLE, IN MY OPINION, THEY'RE GOING TO SPEED MORE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CUT YOU OFF TO MERGE OVER ON COLORADO. SO WHETHER THERE WAS ONE LANE, TWO LANE, THREE LANES, IT'S STILL GOING TO HAPPEN. HOW DO YOU TEACH THAT TO PEOPLE? I DON'T THINK YOU CAN. OKAY. I WANT TO BRING SOMETHING BACK UP ON THE LEASE WITH MAIN STREET BECAUSE IT WAS IN MY HEAD WHILE YOU GUYS, I WAS SEARCHING FOR IT, BUT THEY PAY US BACK $30,000 A YEAR IN RENT OUT OF THE 70,000. JUST SO. SO IT'S PROBABLY A NET OF RENT. THE FLAGLER CENTER AND AND TO PUT ONE PERSON DOWN THERE ALL DAY TO RENT OUT THE FACILITY. AND ON THE WEEKENDS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE 2 OR 3 PEOPLE AND AND AND LIKE THE MAYOR SAID IT, YOU PUT IN BENEFITS AND ALL THAT. IT'S CHEAPER TO PAY THEM TO DO IT. AND WE STILL HAVE ACCESS TO FLAGLER FOR CITY DAYS AND THINGS THAT WE THEY GIVE US, I THINK LIKE 20 OR 30 CITY DAYS WHERE WE GET TO USE IT FOR VARIOUS FUNCTIONS. YEAH, FOR FREE. ALSO SOMETHING ABOUT LIKE THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. AND CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST THAT THAT WAS RENT THAT WAS USED FOR EVENT HOSTING EVENTS. THERE WAS A COMPANY THAT IT WAS EXCLUSIVE, FLAGLER WAS CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC. BUT NOW THE WAY IT'S SET UP, YOU COULD RENT A ROOM, YOU COULD RENT THE SPACE FROM CANDACE. SO WE HAVE NOW THE PUBLIC HAS MORE ACCESS TO FLAGLER THAN IT DID. YEAH, WELL, THAT WASN'T THE CASE BEFORE. YOU REALLY COULDN'T DO THAT. SORRY. OH, NO. YOU'RE GOOD. WHEN WE GO THROUGH, 
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LIKE, THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, I. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PEOPLE START PRESENTING SOONER. FIRE RESCUE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, NO OFFENSE. I'D LIKE TO SEE STUFF COME SOONER, NOT WAIT TO SEE WHAT NUMBERS ARE, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT. JUST ASK FOR IT. I ALSO WANT TO SEE DEPARTMENT HEADS PRESENTING THEIR BUDGET, AND NOT JUST THE CITY MANAGER AND A FINANCE DIRECTOR. I THINK TO SOME EXTENT WITH FIRE, WITH ROSS AT MANAGER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT TIME FRAME, WHICH IT WILL BE. YOU NO LONGER HAVE THAT SORT OF TWO STEP PROCESS WHERE IF THEY COME TO AN IMPASSE, YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO THE MANAGER. SHE'S BOTH. SO YOU GOT ONE SHOT, YOU GOT ONE SHOT TO MAKE IT WORK, WHICH I DON'T THINK THERE'LL BE AN ISSUE. 
          YEAH. AND IT SHOULD HAPPEN QUICKER. YEAH. SO I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT CHANGE. I'D ALSO LIKE AND, AND THIS MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, BUT I WANT TO SEE FULL TIME EMPLOYEES LISTED IN EACH DEPARTMENT. IT DOESN'T LIST IT ON THE BUDGET PAPERWORK. 
          I ALSO WOULD LIKE SOMETHING TO BE DISCUSSED ABOUT POTENTIAL TAKE HOME VEHICLES. JUST KIND OF MORE TRANSPARENCY ACROSS EXPENSES. YEAH, JUST JUST MORE EXPENSES AND AND SEEING WHAT IT IS. AND LIKE THE WHOLE YOU SHOULD BRING ALL THIS UP BEFORE WE GET THERE. LIKE, LIKE THAT WOULD BE A GOOD HAVE LIKE A HOT LIST OF WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE. YEAH. BEFORE WE GET INTO BUDGET, REALLY THINK ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS THAT. YEAH, LIKE I JUST I DON'T WANT SOMEONE JUST AFTER THE INSTITUTIONAL STUFF JUST TO, YOU KNOW, COME AFTER IT FROM A MONETARY PERSPECTIVE. 
          LIKE, I'D LIKE TO THINK MOST PEOPLE GET INVOLVED WITH GOVERNMENT OUT OF THE KINDNESS OF THEIR HEART. OTHERWISE, WHY GET INVOLVED? BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NOT ALWAYS GET THE MONEY, BUT YOU GET THE BENEFITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO IT'S ALWAYS A GIVE AND TAKE. BUT I'D BE CURIOUS HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE TAKE HOME VEHICLES. THAT WAS A HOT TOPIC, BUT I HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THEY NOTICED ALL THE NEW VEHICLES BEING OUT THERE AND LIKE I SAID, WHO'S TAKING ONE HOME? I HAVE TO DRIVE TO WORK. AND IF YOU DRIVE TO WORK AND THEN HOP IN A COMPANY VEHICLE, I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT SCENARIO. YEAH. AWESOME. I THINK THAT'S IT. I MISSED SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED MY OPINION ON. NO, I APPRECIATE IT, MAN. THIS HAS BEEN FANTASTIC. YOU GOT A LOT OF WORK DONE. ALRIGHT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO
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