Jan 26, 2026 Joint CRA/CRB/CCM

[CALL TO ORDER]

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ALRIGHT, I WILL BEGIN THE JOINT MEETING OF THE STEWART CITY COMMISSION, COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD. MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? YES. COMMISSION AND CRA CHAIR COLLINS HERE. VICE CHAIR REID HERE. BOARD MEMBER. CLARK HERE.

BOARD MEMBER. HERE. BOARD MEMBER. RICH. HERE. BOARD MEMBER. JAMES HERE. COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD CHAIR MCCRYSTAL. HERE. VICE CHAIR. MOSER HERE. BOARD MEMBER D HERE.

BOARD MEMBER. JAMES HERE. BOARD MEMBER. LAUGHLIN HERE. BOARD MEMBER. MANERA. BOARD MEMBER.

WHALEN. AND WE'LL HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALRIGHT. PRESENTATIONS. ITEM NUMBER ONE.

[1. DISCUSS FORMULA BUSINESSES WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN AREA]

THIS WAS REQUESTED TO BRING TO THIS BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION, POSSIBLY LOOKING FOR SOME AMENDMENTS THROUGH THE CITY COMMISSION. AT THE NOVEMBER 10TH, 2025, THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING, THE CITY COMMISSION CONSIDERED THE. THE COMMISSION CONSIDERED A MAJOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR TEA AND SPICE. THEY WERE REQUESTING EXCEPTIONAL USE TO ALLOW A FORMULA FORMULA BUSINESS WITHIN THE FORMULA BUSINESS AREA.

DURING THE DISCUSSION, THE CITY COMMISSION EXPRESSED CONCERNS REGARDING THE 300 FOOT SEPARATION REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE CITY CODE, NOTING THAT THE CURRENT REGULATIONS DO NOT INCLUDE A CLEAR MATRIX OR ESTABLISHED CRITERIA FOR GRANTING SUCH A WAIVER. AS A RESULT, THE COMMISSION REQUESTED FURTHER DIRECTION. JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF WHAT THE WHEN THE FORMULA BUSINESS WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2005, THE CITY COMMISSION ADOPTED ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 1005, WHICH DEFINED FORMULA. BUSINESSES ESTABLISHED AN AREA OF THE CITY WITHIN SUCH BUSINESSES, AND MAY BE PERMITTED AND REQUIRED AND REQUIRED APPROVAL THROUGH THE MAJOR URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS BY THE CITY COMMISSION. THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING A FORMULA BUSINESS DISTRICT WAS TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE STEWART'S SMALL TOWN CHARM BY REGULATING THE LOCATION OF RETAIL CHAIN STORES, INCLUDING RESTAURANTS, WITHIN THE CITY'S DOWNTOWN AREA. IN 2005, WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED, THIS WAS THE BOUNDARIES FOR THE FORMULA BASE FOR THE FORMULA BUSINESS DISTRICT AREA. AS YOU CAN SEE, A LOT OF THE. SOUTHEAST, FLAGLER AND COLORADO, AND SOUTHWEST OCEAN BOULEVARD WAS INCORPORATED BY THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH IS HATCH, WHICH IS HATCHED OUT. AND IN 2023, WHEN WE ADOPTED THE CREEK DISTRICT NORTH FORMULA BASED, WE DID EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES. AND AS YOU CAN SEE OUTLINED IN BLUE, THAT IS THE NEW BOUNDARIES FOR A FORMULA BUSINESS. THIS JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU THE OVERALL WHAT IS A FORMULA BUSINESS. AND THIS IS THE CODE SECTION. THIS IS THE DEFINITION FROM OUR OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND IT JUST SAYS A FORMULA BUSINESS MEANS A RETAIL BUSINESS ESTABLISHED INCLUDING A RESTAURANT WHICH IS ONE OR NOT LESS THAN SIX OF THE MORE SIMILAR ESTABLISHMENT LOCATED ELSEWHERE, WHICH IS A GROUP SATISFY TWO OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A FORMULA BUSINESS, YOU HAVE TO SATISFY ONE OF THE TWO CRITERIAS WITHIN THE DEFINITION. FURTHER, IN THE CODE, IT DOES PROVIDE A STANDARD REQUIREMENTS FOR HOW TO APPROVE A SPECIAL A URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE. AND THIS IS LIKE COMPATIBILITY YOUR ECONOMICS YOUR WHAT? THE DIVERSITY THE SIZE THE LOCATION, THE ELEMENTS OF THE STRUCTURE.

MAKING SURE IT STAYS WITHIN HARMONY OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA SO IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A TYPICAL MCDONALD'S DOWNTOWN, OR ANY TYPE OF RETAIL THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A FORMULA BUSINESS.

THIS IS WHERE WE'RE THE BOARD HAS ASKED US, OR THE CITY COMMISSION HAS ASKED US TO REEVALUATE IN OUR CODE SECTION, THERE'S ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS, AND THE ONE IS THE DISTANCE.

AND THIS IS THE ONLY THING OUT OF THE CODE IT TALKS ABOUT THAT THE FORMULA BUSINESS SHALL NOT LOCATE, SHALL NOT LOCATE WITHIN 300FT OF AN EXISTING FORMULA BUSINESS IN THE OLD DOWNTOWN

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SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION TODAY. AND THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. JODY, DID YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY OR MAYBE YOU WERE JUST WAITING FOR FOR US TO GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE TO LOOK AT ANY OTHER FORMULA, BUSINESS ZONES AND ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND SOME OF THE PARAMETERS THAT THEY USE TO.

YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY RESTRICT IT, BUT MAKE SURE IT'S APPROPRIATE. MAYOR COLLINS, I DID NOT EVALUATE OR LOOK AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD TONIGHT.

TODAY'S MEETING. YOU COULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN STAFF WILL FURTHER LOOK AT DIFFERENT OTHER PLACES AND HOW THEY EVALUATE OR DO THEIR ANALYSIS FOR FORMULA BUSINESS.

PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA SO THAT THERE'S MORE THAN JUST THE 300FT. IT MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE SOME OTHER METRICS. OTHERWISE THAT CODE CAN LOOK A LITTLE BIT CAPRICIOUS, YOU KNOW, AND HOW HOW WE MAKE THAT DECISION. ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR JODY FROM BOARD MEMBERS OR DISCUSSION, IF YOU DO, FOR THE NEW MEMBERS, IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THESE HELPS. COMMISSIONER JODY WITH MY NAME. RIGHT. SORRY, I DO HAVE A JUST A SUGGESTION. MOUNT DORA IS A COMPARABLE TOWN TO US. THIS LITTLE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. KIND OF THE SAME FEEL. MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE THE FIRST PLACE YOU TRY AND SEE IF THEY HAVE WHAT THEIR RESTRICTIONS ARE ON FORMULA BUSINESSES. AND MAYBE IT WOULD BE AS SIMPLE AS SAYING FORMULA BUSINESSES NOT WITHIN 300FT OF EACH OTHER LIKE TWO RESTAURANTS. IF YOU HAVE ONE TYPE OF FORMULA BUSINESS AND IT'S 300FT WITHIN A RESTAURANT, ONE A CLOTHING STORE, ONE A RESTAURANT, IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE COMPETITIVE TO EACH OTHER AT ALL. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL THOUGHTS WERE ON KEEPING THEM THREE MORE THAN 300FT APART. DOES ANYONE HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT? WHY? THEY ORIGINALLY SAID TO BE NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO BE MORE THAN 300FT APART. SO, COMMISSIONER JOB, IF I MAY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHEN THE WHEN THE FORMULA BUSINESS WAS CREATED IN 2005, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WAS ALWAYS A STANDARD. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ADOPTED IT FROM ANOTHER LOCATION IN NORTH FLORIDA. SO I THINK THAT THEY THAT'S JUST TO SHOW SOME DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS. SO THEY'RE NOT SIDE BY SIDE. OKAY.

THANK YOU JODY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MY MY CONCERN IS WHEN WE'VE JUST APPROVED ONE AT ZERO FEET, YOU KNOW FROM THE NEAREST FORMULA BUSINESS. CLEARLY THERE'S SOMETHING SOME KIND OF METRIC THAT WE'RE NOT ARTICULATING THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE AND THE OTHER. SO HAVING SOMETHING MEASURABLE, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. BOARD MEMBER MCCHRYSTAL. FROM 30,000FT. OUT INTO THE FUTURE, AS YOU AS ONE BECOMES MORE AND MORE UNTENABLE AND YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO GO THERE. EAST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS OR EAST OF US, ONE EAST OF A, ONE A. IN SIMPLE TERMS, I WANT ME A POPEYES. IN A BROADER SENSE. WE'RE GOING TO I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF YOU'RE GOING TO DIVIDE THE TOWN IN INTO SEX, INTO SECTIONS LIKE THE CRA, THE NON CRA DOWNTOWN, NON DOWNTOWN. HEY, LET'S LET'S FIND SOME PLACE EAST OF US ONE AND EAST OF THE TRACKS THAT MIGHT SERVE SOME OF THE NOT SO FINEST OF PEOPLE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND IF WE DO TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER CITIES CODES. I THINK WINTER GARDEN IS ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE THAT WE COULD LOOK AT,

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ARE WE ASKING THE BOARD TO HELP US TO DEFINE WHEN YOU USE THE WORD MATRIX, THAT WE CAN RESTRICT FORMULA BUSINESSES FROM COMING INTO STUART AREA? WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR CODE RIGHT NOW, IT CAME UP WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE ONLY MEASURABLE RESTRICTION ON FORMULA BUSINESS IS 300 FOOT DISTANCE. SO IT APPEARS THAT THERE WE JUST APPROVED ONE THAT WAS WITHIN 300FT. SO IT'S WORTH DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW FROM OTHER BOARD MEMBERS. WHAT IS IT ABOUT THEN A FORMULA BUSINESS THAT MAKES IT APPROPRIATE OR NOT? IF IT'S NOT THE SQUARE FEET OR THE FEET FROM ONE TO THE OTHER, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT SHOULD BE MEASURABLE. OTHERWISE IT POTENTIALLY, I THINK, COULD BE CHALLENGED. WHEN YOU PUT ONE AT ZERO FEET. WE NEED TO REALLY DEFINE WHAT IT IS ABOUT FORMULA BUSINESS THAT MAKES IT APPROPRIATE OR NOT. FOR DOWNTOWN, I THINK THE BIGGEST QUESTION WOULD BE THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE USING TO TO DEFINE WHAT YOU KNOW. THE CODE SAYS, WHAT THEY HAD TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA TO BECOME A FORMULA BUSINESS, OR TO DEFINE THEM AS A FORMULA BUSINESS. SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED FROM WHAT I CAN UNDERSTAND. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE FORMULA. BUSINESS IS IS DEFINED IN OUR CODE THAN WHAT IS NOT DEFINED IS WHY WE WOULD MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR ONE. THAT CLARITY THAT'S THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WHAT WHAT MAKES IT AN APPROPRIATE EXCEPTION OR NOT. THANK YOU. I. CLERK THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING MAYOR. MISS. YOU GOT ANOTHER ONE. COOGLER. YES. WOULD YOU OKAY. YEAH. YOU DID PUT IT UP. YOU. MIND READER. SO YOU PUT IT BACK UP THERE AGAIN. SO THAT'S OUR DEFINITION RIGHT NOW. AND IS THERE ANY OTHER PART IN THE CODE OTHER THAN THAT'S THE DEFINITION. THEY MEET TWO OR MORE CRITERIA WITH AT LEAST TWO. AND THEN IN ORDER NOT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A A DISNEY WORLD OF SOMETHING, RIGHT, OF SIMILARS OR WHATEVER, WE WE PUT THE DIFFERENCE SO THAT WE CAN STILL HAVE OTHER PEOPLE, BUT STILL HAVE THESE OTHER BUSINESSES INTERSPERSED. AND THE EXCEPTION IS ALWAYS UP TO US, WHETHER IT'S ONE FEET APART OR 200 OR 150, WE ALWAYS HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DEAL WITH THE PERSON WHO COMES IN, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME HARD AND FAST GUIDELINES TO SAY WHY IT SHOULD BE 100FT APART OR ZERO FEET APART IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO, TO MEET THAT EXCEPTION UNDER THAT THE THE DISTANCE APART THING. AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S SO SPECIAL. AND WE HAVE TO CONSIDER AS A CITY COMMISSION THAT WE CAN SAY, YES, THERE IS A RULE THAT SAYS HAVE THEM 300FT APART. BUT IN THIS CASE, WE WOULD LIKE TO STILL HAVE THIS BUSINESS IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA BECAUSE IT'S COMPLIMENTS, IT'S COMPATIBLE, IT FITS WHATEVER. LET'S SAY IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSE TO THE LYRIC, AND THEY DO THIS TYPE OF THING AND IT MATCHES THAT. IT'S GOING TO PUT OUT BALLET SHOES FOR EVERYBODY, WHATEVER. IT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING. AND SO WE CAN HAVE THAT CHOICE TO SAY, YES, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S ANOTHER FORMULA BUSINESS THAT MAY BE THE PLACE. THIS IS A BALLET TYPE THING THAT'S SPECIALTY ORIENTED, BUT THEY'RE BOTH FOR THE BUSINESS. BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE CONFLICTING AND IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE SMALL TOWN CHARM, WE CAN ALLOW FOR IT TO BE THERE.

AND AND THAT'S HOW THE EXCEPTION FALLS IN. I THINK WE ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE WAYS TO MAKE THOSE TYPE OF DECISIONS BECAUSE. UNLESS YOU WANT TO IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT SAYS, OKAY, WELL, MAYBE WE CHANGE IT FROM 300FT TO, LET'S SAY 100 OR 200, AND THEN THAT'S IT. WE WON'T. THEY JUST HAVE TO MEET THAT CRITERIA AND WE WON'T WE WON'T HAVE TO DO THE DISTANCE EXCEPTION THING. THEY HAVE TO MEET THE THIS THAT'S THE DISTANCE AND THAT'S IT. BUT

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IT DID, BUT BECAUSE OF THE BUSINESS, STEVE, MAYOR COLLINS, THIS IS THE FIRST SET OF STANDARDS. AND THEN YOU GO INTO THE OTHER PORTION OF THE CODE THAT'S AFTER THIS. AND THIS RIGHT HERE IS YOUR DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S NO METRICS OR ANY TYPE OF MEASURABLE. IT JUST SAYS WITHIN 300FT. MAYBE WE SHOULD FOLLOW WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS.

BUT BUT FOR I'M NOT SAYING MAKE IT LESS THAN THAT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS AND I'M NOT REALLY ADVOCATING FOR THIS, BUT THE DISCUSSION AROUND THIS WAS THE ONLY MEASURABLE THAT YOU HAVE IS 300FT. EVERYTHING ELSE. IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT OTHER LIST, JODY IS SUBJECTIVE. DOES DOES THIS ALTER THE IDENTITY OF THE URBAN DOWN OR URBAN DISTRICT IN A WAY WHICH DETRACTS FROM ITS UNIQUENESS? DOES THIS BUSINESS CONTRIBUTE TO A DIVERSE AND APPROPRIATE BLEND OF BUSINESSES AND THE URBAN DISTRICTS? YOU KNOW, DOES THIS BUSINESS HOW DO SOME OF THESE NEED TO BE? YOU NEED MORE OF A MEASURABLE BASTION THAN JUST THE 300FT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A WAIVER FOR THAT AND IN FACT, PUT ONE DOWN NEXT DOOR AT ZERO FEET. SO I THINK IF UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO BECOME MORE RELAXED WITH FORMULA BUSINESS, IF WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S DEFENDABLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT THAT WE WANT TO SEE OUT OF A FORMULA BUSINESS THAT WE WOULD MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR IT? IF YOU KNOW SOMETHING MORE DEFINABLE, THE 300FT IS REALLY YOUR ONLY METRIC RIGHT NOW. SORRY. BOARD MEMBER READ. YEAH, I THINK THE BEST METRIC WE COULD HAVE IS JUST THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. SO LIKE JODY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE PUT IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE APPLICANT IS ENTITLED TO COME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD REGARDLESS OF WHAT OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS. FOR AN EXCEPTION. VICE MAYOR REED. SO THE WAY IT'S SET UP IS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SPECIAL URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE, AND YOU CAN WAIVE CERTAIN OPTIONS AND SOME OF THESE STANDARDS WITHIN THAT URBAN CODE CONDITIONAL USE, INCLUDING THE 300 FOOT RADIUS. WHAT STANDARDS CAN'T BE WAIVED CURRENTLY IN THE FORMULA BUSINESS? THEY ACTUALLY THEY WOULD BE ALL BE ABLE TO BE WAIVED THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN TODAY. CORRECT. SO WE JUST WE JUST NEED GOOD ELECTED OFFICIALS THEN WITH GOOD MORAL COMPASSES DOWNTOWN. MY MY POINT IS IF YOU GET SUED, YOU WANT TO KEEP FORMULA BUSINESSES OUT OF DOWNTOWN FORMULA. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANTS THE BIG CHAINS IN DOWNTOWN STUART. THAT'S WHY IT EXISTS CURRENTLY. BUSINESSES ARE USUALLY NOT BIG CHAINS. BOARD MEMBER MCCHRYSTAL, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THEM. THAT'S WHY WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE THEM, TO ENCOURAGE FORMULA BUSINESS, SMALL BUSINESSES. THEY'RE I DON'T THINK WE ENCOURAGE WELL, I THOUGHT I HAVE TO COME BEFORE US FOR AN ACCEPTANCE, PUTTING CAPS ON WHAT IS ALLOWED AND WHAT ISN'T. THAT DOWNTOWN UNIQUE? I'M SORRY. THAT'S RIGHT. SO I THOUGHT SO. I THOUGHT FORMULA BUSINESSES WERE THE EVIL CHAIN STORES, BIG NATIONAL PRODUCTS. NO. AM I WRONG ABOUT THAT? RIGHT. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT HAVING. SO THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF FORMULA OKAY. SO I JUST THOUGHT SO EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT THEN. SO MAYBE I GOT THIS WRONG. SO IS IT JUST THE MARKETPLACE THAT'S DETERMINING LIKE THE EAST OCEAN AREA ON THE WAY OUT TO THE BEACH? IS THE MARKETPLACE AS DETERMINING A LACK OF A SO-CALLED AFFORDABLE GROCERY STORE OR A FEW MORE FAST FOOD JOINTS. SO IT THEY ARE ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? RIGHT. THERE'S A FORMULA BUSINESS AREA, OKAY.

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YEAH. THANK YOU. SO YES IT'S IT'S BLINKING FLASHING RED AND GREEN YOU SAY. NO I GOT ONE HERE. IT'S GREEN. THERE WE GO. ALRIGHT. AS FAR AS THE BASIS FOR 300FT VERSUS 299FT, THIS LANGUAGE CAME FROM SOMEWHERE. THIS WAS PULLED FROM A TOWN IN NORTH FLORIDA. THE FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE WHICH TOWN AND WHAT WAS THEIR REASONING FOR THIS? AND THEN AS FOR IT BEING ARBITRARY, I DON'T THINK SO MUCH. THE ISSUE IS ARBITRARY, IT'S JUST EVENLY ENFORCED. AT SOME POINT THERE HAS TO BE DECISION, OKAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ONE MORE OF X OR TWO MORE OF X. SOMEBODY HAS TO COME UP WITH AN ARGUMENT FOR THAT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT IS BASED ON HAMMURABI'S CODE. BUT AND THERE HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND THE DECISION MADE AND A LINE DRAWN. AND THE FLEXIBILITY IS THAT THEY CAN COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND ASK FOR A WAIVER AS FAR AS PUTTING EVERYTHING INTO HARD LANGUAGE, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT. BUT I COULD BE SWAYED BY THAT. AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME VERY WELL REASONED ADDENDA TO WINTER PARK'S ARGUMENT FOR THIS AS TO WHY, BUT AT THIS POINT IT SEEMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, WHY IS THE RULE THE RULE IF THERE'S THE ABILITY TO GET AROUND IT WITH A WAIVER, WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE CHANGED, NOT CHANGING THE 300? WE'RE I THINK EVERYBODY HERE IS HAPPY WITH THAT. THE IDEA WOULD BE HAVING MORE 300. SO IF THERE'S OTHER LINES WHAT ARE THOSE LINES. AND HAS THERE BEEN ANY PROPOSALS FOR ADDITIONAL ONE THROUGH 6 OR 6 SUBSECTION A THROUGH E. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. BUT NO PROPOSALS PER SE IS AT THIS POINT. YES, SIR. IT'S GOOD YOU'RE HERE. MR. MAYOR. I HOPE THAT I. I'M NOT I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO MISCONSTRUE. WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT BIG BOX FORMULA BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN. AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO KEEP THE SMALL TOWN CHARM SO THAT IF SOMEBODY COMES IN, LIKE A PART OF A CHAIN STORE THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE TEA SHOP AND OTHER THINGS, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE CRITERIA AND SEE IF THEY FIT IN OUR MODE AND IF THAT'S WHAT WE CAN ALLOW TO HAVE THIS IDEA OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S AN ARBITRARY THING TO HAVE IT 200FT AWAY OR 300FT AWAY. IF YOU WANT TO RESEARCH WHY THAT IS, HAS BEEN PUT IN THERE, I THINK AT THE TIME PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS A REASONABLE DISTANCE WITH THE WAY STOREFRONTS ARE OR SET OUT, AND SO THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THEM DO QUOTE UNQUOTE BIG BOX NAMES.

ALTHOUGH WE'VE WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE PLACES THAT HAVE A CLOTHING LINE OR A TEA LINE OR SOMETHING. WE STILL, WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE OTHER THE, THE, THE CRITERIA THAT MISS KOOGLER PUT UP, WE PICKED THE ONES THAT WE HAVE THE ULTIMATE DECISION TO PICK, THE ONES THAT WILL MEET WITH OUR SMALL TOWN CHARM AND WILL FIT WITHIN OUR CRITERIA. AND I KNOW THAT YOUR CONCERN IS THAT WHEN WE WENT BEYOND WHEN WE HAD TWO CLOSE TOGETHER INSTEAD OF THE 300FT APART, WHEN DO WE MAKE THAT EXCEPTION AND WHY DO WE MAKE THAT EXCEPTION? AND I, I SEE THAT IF YOU WANT TO JUST SAY WE'LL NEVER, EVER DO IT. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A PART OF THIS, THIS, THIS DECISION MAKING PROCESS IS THE TYPE THAT COMES IN. AND IF IT'S IF IT'S JUST TOO BIG BOXY, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE SAID, YOU KNOW, LIKE I'M NOT GOING TO CALL BRAND NAMES, BUT THEIR STARS AND ALL. AND WE'VE SAID THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN DOWNTOWN. AND WE'VE LIVED BY THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE JUST AS COMMISSIONER REED SAID, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN WE'RE HERE,

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IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE HAVING A WALMART. I'M SORRY, I CALLED ON WALMART IF I'M GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE NOT TO GET A BIG BOX. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS FOR JODY? YES. NO, JUST LET'S BE CLEAR. WE DO HAVE FORMULA BUSINESSES IN THE DOWNTOWN. KILWINS IS A FORMULA BUSINESS. THE MONKEY WAS A FORMULA BUSINESS. DUFFY'S IS A FORMULA BUSINESS. SO THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION WE'RE DECIDING. I KNOW POLITICIANS ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR AN EXCUSE FOR THE DECISIONS THEY MAKE. AND OH, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS THE RULE AND WE HAD TO ADHERE TO IT. BUT I CANNOT THINK OF A SO THIS WAS PUT INTO PLACE IN 2005. IT'S 21 YEARS LATER. HAS ANY INDUSTRY BEEN MORE DRAMATICALLY IMPACTED BY TECHNOLOGY THAN RETAIL, AND THE CHALLENGES THESE STORES FACE? AND I THINK WE NEED WE'RE GOING TO NEED THE WAY GOING FORWARD TO BE MORE ACCOMMODATING, NOT LESS ACCOMMODATING. I THINK THE RESTRICTIONS ON STOREFRONT SIZE SERVE US VERY WELL IN KEEPING OUT WALMART AND POPEYES, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME IN HERE. AND AND THE MANNER IN WHICH FOOD IS SERVED TO. BUT. YEAH, THESE ARE WE ARE IN THE POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE THESE DIFFICULT DECISIONS GOING FORWARD. AND THAT'S JUST OUR RESPONSIBILITY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MR. MCCRYSTAL? THANK YOU. SO COULD YOU SAY THAT IN A WAY? THE QUOTE POLITICIANS ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO KIND OF PUT THE THUMB ON THE CHARACTER OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA AS FAR AS WHAT CAN AND CANNOT COME IN THERE. I MEAN, LET'S JUST SAY THAT THAT TEA COMPANY. WAS A TATTOO PARLOR. ARE THERE WAYS TO PREVENT TATTOO PARLORS? WOULD WE WANT TO PREVENT A TATTOO PARLOR OR THE EXISTING BUSINESSES GOING TO HAVE A SAY IN WHAT COMES IN AROUND THEM? YOU KNOW, IT. JUST WHEN I WALK AROUND DOWNTOWN, I DON'T KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE DEFINITELY TRYING TO CATER TO A CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE. AND IF THAT'S IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. OKAY. LAST COMMENT. IT'S OKAY. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO TALK. YEAH I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER READ THAT I, I'VE SAID IN THE MEETINGS WHERE A COMPANY CAME IN AND ASKED FOR SPECIAL PRIVILEGE AND THEY WERE SHOT DOWN. BUT ULTIMATELY THE COMMISSIONERS HAD THE FINAL SAY, WHATEVER YOU HAVE IN PLACE, I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE A LEGAL ISSUE BECAUSE YOU GUYS, WE ELECTED YOU GUYS TO REPRESENT US, TO SAY IN THE LANGUAGE THAT WE COULDN'T SAY AT THE TIME. AND SO I AGREE WITH HIM THAT WHAT WE NEED IN PLACE IS ALREADY IN PLACE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I THINK WE GO ALONG THAT COMMENT AND AND MAYBE WHAT? BOARD MEMBER SAID, DO WE REALLY WANT HAMMURABI'S CODE? AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR LEE. IF YOU GO TO SPECIFIC IS THAT KIND OF PUTS YOU IN A BOX. SO IF YOU DO DENY SOMEBODY, DOES THAT OPEN YOU UP FOR A LAWSUIT? I THINK THE WAY THEY ARE RIGHT NOW IS KIND OF BROAD, OPEN ENDED. SO ARE YOU ARE YOU BETTER OFF WITH THE MORE OPEN ENDED TYPE OF STRUCTURE? BECAUSE I KIND OF LIKE THE THE FRAMEWORK THAT WE HAVE IS MY PERSONAL OPINION BECAUSE THERE ARE WAYS TO SAY, YEAH, NO, WE CAN NOW, NOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE COMPETITIVE HERE. YOU DON'T COMPLIMENT OTHER STORES. WE'RE WE DON'T REALLY THINK YOU'RE A GOOD FIT, WHICH THEN OPENS UP, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD THEN MAYBE BRING LAWSUITS. BUT ANYWAY, GO AHEAD, MR. BAGGETT. SURE. YEAH,

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THAT KIND OF LEAVES IT UP TO THE COMMISSION, WHOEVER THAT MIGHT BE AT THE TIME. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE CRUX IS ON THE 300FT EXISTING DISTANCE. WHEN THE BOARD ENACTED THIS BY ORDINANCE IN OH FIVE, I BELIEVE THEY ALREADY HAD 2 OR 3 FORMULA BUSINESSES THAT VIOLATED THE CODE, AND THEY ALREADY GRANDFATHERED THEM IN. SO AT THE START, WE ALREADY HAD MORE THAN ONE WITHIN 300FT OF EACH OTHER. I MEAN, I THINK COMMISSIONER JOB YOU BROUGHT UP, WELL, MAYBE WE COULD ADD NO FORMULA BUSINESS OF THE SAME KIND, LIKE RESTAURANTS CAN'T BE 300FT. BUT HE AND SPICE PLACE AND A RESTAURANT COULD. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SUGGESTING THERE. I THINK THERE WAS A CONCERN, IF I RECALL, WHEN THE. WHEN DO WE SAY THAT'S ENOUGH? SO MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE A MAXIMUM OF FORMULA BUSINESSES. YEAH I'M, I'M TALKING POLICY NOW. NOT LEGAL. BUT YOU GUYS ASKED ME BUT I THINK WE HAVE A ALCOHOL SATURATION RATE. SO THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS SO WE DON'T HAVE 50 BARS LINED UP IN DOWNTOWN AND IT'S WORKED. I MEAN, WE YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY PLACES THAT CAN SERVE ALCOHOL IN DOWNTOWN, RIGHT? SO MAYBE YOU CAN HAVE A SIMILAR RESTRICTION ON HOW MANY FORMULA BUSINESSES. WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THERE. NOW. IT SAYS NO MORE THAN TWO REALLY. AND WE STARTED OFF VIOLATING. SO MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE THAT FINAL NUMBER. I THINK WE HAVE FOR NOW I THERE WAS MONKEYS IS GONE RIGHT.

MAYBE WE'RE BACK DOWN TO THREE IS A FORMULA RIGHT. SO FOUR I GUESS I GUESS. BUT HOFFMAN'S IS NO LONGER HOFFMAN'S. IS THAT NEW SIGNATURE ICE CREAM PLACE A FORMULA PLACE? I DON'T THINK SO.

HOFFMAN'S IS A CHAIN. KILWINS IS. KILWINS IS. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN. MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE SOME DISTINCTIONS LIKE COMMISSIONER JOVI BROUGHT UP OR YOU CAN AND OR YOU CAN ADD NO MORE THAN SIX FORMULA BUSINESSES, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY ARE. YOU KNOW, I'M SPITBALLING, BUT THAT'S THAT'S POLICY, NOT LEGAL. THANK YOU.

SURE. THAT AND THAT THAT IS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO IS DEFINING A SENTIMENT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU SAY THERE'S THESE FORMULA, BUSINESSES ARE TOO CLOSE TOGETHER, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT'S NOT REALLY DEFENDABLE. BUT IF YOU SAY 300FT NOW YOU HAVE A DEFINABLE THING. AND SATURATION IS ANOTHER GREAT POINT. I THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK. THIS IS IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO THE TYPE OF BUSINESS IS THAT SEEMS A LITTLE DANGEROUS, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE SAYING NO TO A TYPE OF A BUSINESS, DOESN'T THAT START TO GET INTO LIMIT? RIGHT? I JUST GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE. I WAS SAYING DON'T HAVE TWO TWO RESTAURANTS TOGETHER THAT HAVE A RESTAURANT AND A STORE. RESTAURANT AND A BOOKSTORE. OH NO NO, NO, NO COMPETITIVE TYPE, NO TWO FORMULA BUSINESSES OF THE SAME TYPE, RIGHT? RIGHT. I MEAN, YOU'RE JUST YOU'RE ACTUALLY LESSENING RESTRICTION RIGHT NOW. IT SAYS NO TO FORMULA BUSINESSES. YOU CAN HAVE A CANDY STORE AND A COFFEE SHOP, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THAT ARE RIGHT NOW THE CODE SAYS NOT WITHIN. RIGHT. BUT YOU COULD LESSEN THAT AND SAY NO TO FORMULA. BUSINESSES THAT ARE RESTAURANTS CAN BE WITHIN. AND YOU WOULD STILL HAVE A CAP ON HOW MANY FORMULA RESTAURANTS, HOW MANY FORMULA BUSINESSES IN THE CITY. I MEAN, NOT IN THE CITY, IN TOWN. AND AGAIN, THIS IS POLICY, NOT LEGAL. YOU'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH. GIVE US SOME LOOK BACK AT THAT ORIGINAL THING. THAT AND I THINK WAS IT BOARD MEMBER MCCHRYSTAL. OR MAYBE IT WAS I DON'T THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER RICH WHO SAID THAT BUSINESSES, FORMULA BUSINESSES ARE GOING THROUGH A LOT OF CHANGES IN THEIR MARKETING AND OTHER THINGS.

SOME OF THEM ARE CHANGING THEIR WAY TO FIT INTO A DOWNTOWN SETTING SO THAT THEY CAN MARKET

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JODY, DID YOU WANT ANY OTHER CLARIFICATION FROM US? MAYOR COLLINS, I KNOW THAT THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF CLARIFICATION. SO I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION IS, DO I BRING IT BACK TO THIS JOINT MEETING AGAIN AS A AS A GROUP? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THAT? YES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD. AND I'LL GIVE STAFF SOME TIME TO RESEARCH AND GIVE YOU SOME OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS OF WHAT

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I DO HAVE ONE AGENDA ITEM OR THAT WAS JUST A DISCUSSION PRESENTATION. THIS. BUT FEEL FREE, MAN. YOU CAN. YOU'RE WELCOME. TALK ABOUT WHATEVER YOU WANT. YEAH. WHATEVER. SO THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING OLD IS I WAS AT THE MEETING IN 2005 WHERE WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS, BUT SO I KIND OF REMEMBER SOME OF THE HISTORY. AND IF YOU REMEMBER ECONOMICALLY IN 2005, WE'RE ALMOST AT THE SAME PLACE WE WERE NOW. MARKET WAS STARTING TO TAKE OFF. DOWNTOWN WAS STARTING TO BECOME VERY POPULAR. AND FOR A DOWNTOWN LIKE OURS, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT STORES ARE THE ANCHORS FOR MALLS. RESTAURANTS AND BARS ARE THE ANCHORS FOR DOWNTOWNS, SMALL DOWNTOWNS. AND THE CONCERN WAS AND THAT'S WHY THE 300FT IS IN THERE. I THINK IT'S THE SAME LANGUAGE WE USE IN THE CODE FOR HOW FAR APART A RESTAURANT. I MEAN, A BAR HAS TO BE FROM A CHURCH OR A SCHOOL OR SOMETHING. I THINK IT'S 300FT DOOR TO DOOR. SO WHAT HAPPENED IS WE WERE TRYING TO AVOID ANOTHER CLEMATIS STREET, AND IT WAS A DIVIDED DISCUSSION BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME, LIKE BOYD BRADFIELD, WHO SAYS, WE DON'T NEED ANY. THE MARKET WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF. AND THERE WERE OTHERS THAT WANTED TO CONTINUE WHAT WE WERE DOING, WHICH IS BASICALLY JUST DISCOURAGING THOSE BUSINESSES OR MAKING IT HARD FOR THEM TO COME IN. AND THEN THIS LAWSUIT TOOK PLACE, WHICH WAS UP IN NORTHERN FLORIDA SOMEPLACE, AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY MADE AN ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE THEY WERE BASICALLY CHALLENGED. AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF OUR LANGUAGE COMES OUT OF THAT LAWSUIT SO THAT WE COULD WE FELT THAT LANGUAGE WAS SAFE. BUT BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST SOME HISTORY. SO THAT MAYBE IT GIVES SOME PRESENCE THERE. IT WAS A CONCERN ABOUT CLEMATIS STREET WAS REALLY ONE OF THE ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS KEPT SAYING VICTORIA'S SECRET'S WAS GOING TO COME IN. AND BOYD SAID, THERE'S NO WAY. AND SO ANYWAY. BUT BUT I JUST I DO SAY THAT I DO THINK THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT THAT POINT WHERE THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING IN ARE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PAY A LOT OF MONEY. AND ALONG FRANK'S LINE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET CERTAIN PEOPLE TO SHOP AT THOSE STORES. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT CERTAIN CLIENTELE, AND THE LOCAL BUSINESS THAT'S EXISTING HERE IS GOING TO GET FROZEN OUT. SO WHATEVER WE DO, HOPEFULLY WE CAN KEEP BECAUSE THERE'S MORE LIKE OAK AND EMBER IS IN A FORMULA BUSINESS NOW.

YOU KNOW, HE'S GOT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS, TWO LOCATIONS. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT JUST CREEP IN. A SIGNATURE SUITES I THINK IS A IS A IS A FORMULA BUSINESS. SO ANYWAY, I JUST THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO PROTECT THE LOCAL

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SORRY. THERE IT IS. THE BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT GRANT PROGRAM, WHICH ARE FEDERAL FUNDS AND AND THEY SHOULD I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM. THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THAT THIS IS GREAT, BUT SOMEONE HAS TO BE ABLE TO MATCH THE $10,000. WE HAVE A LOT OF REALLY SMALLER BUSINESSES THAT COULD REALLY UTILIZE THIS PROGRAM, AND MAYBE THEY CAN GET THE GRANT JUST BASED ON THEIR NEED. MAYBE THERE'S A CRITERIA ON WHAT THEIR NET EXPENSES ARE. YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WITH WHO REALLY DOES FINANCES WOULD HAVE TO REALLY LOOK INTO THAT. BUT I THINK THAT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES OR VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF NOT A MATCH, BUT BASICALLY THEY'D HAVE TO MAYBE PROVIDE $500 TOWARD A $10,000 OR $15,000 GRANT THAT WOULD HELP THEM TO IMPROVE THEIR BUSINESSES, BECAUSE THEY'RE DEALING WITH THE SAME THING THAT EVEN THE LARGER SMALL BUSINESSES ARE. THERE'S RENTS HAVE INCREASED IN DOWNTOWN. MAYBE BUSINESSES SLIDE OFF A LITTLE WHERE PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THEIR PENNIES AND NOT SPENDING AS MUCH AS THEY DID LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE. AND SO THEY NEED A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, HAND UP AND A HELP UP. AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CRA COULD DO FOR THEM. AND AND THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. LET ME JUST GET TO THE OTHER. OKAY. WELL I CAN'T FIND IT. SO I'LL HAVE TO PASS ON TO THE NEXT PERSON. THANK YOU. SO FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU'RE SAYING YOU WOULD REVIEW THE FINANCES OF THE BUSINESS TO DETERMINE IF THEY MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE FOR NO MINIMAL AMOUNT, NO, NO MATCH OR MINIMAL MATCH. AND THE THE COST, THE THE REPAIR. YOU KNOW, THE IMPROVEMENT MIGHT BE LESS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE NUMBERS PEOPLE NEED TO WORK OUT.

I JUST THINK THAT IT WOULD GIVE A HAND UP TO THE SMALLER BUSINESSES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE STRUGGLING MORE THAN THE MIDSIZE BUSINESSES IN DOWNTOWN THAT HAS A, YOU KNOW, A BETTER CLIENTELE COMING IN RETAIL. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEIR INCOME IS IS BETTER. AND THEY'RE THEY'RE ALL EQUALLY SHARING IN THIS HUGE INCREASE IN RENT OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.

THE OTHER ITEM I WANTED TO BRING UP, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IF MARK WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS, SINCE HE'S BROUGHT IT UP AT MANY CRA MEETINGS. WE REALLY NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT CONFUSION CORNER AND IT IS IN THE CRA DISTRICT. THERE HAS TO BE A WAY. I MEAN, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE EITHER THINK THEY'RE TURNING ON TO SOUTHEAST OCEAN OR TURNING ONTO THE TRACKS. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT YIELDING CORRECTLY. IT'S JUST REALLY DANGEROUS. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE WHO LIVES HERE KNOWS HOW TO MANEUVER CONFUSION CORNER. BUT THE PEOPLE WHO VISIT DON'T. AND SO MAYBE WE NEED GATES. MAYBE WE NEED BETTER SIGNAGE, BUT WE NEED SOMETHING. AND I THINK THAT THE CRA HAS TALKED ABOUT IT. MARK, I DON'T KNOW, OVER THE LAST 2 OR 3 YEARS AND WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO ACTUALLY COME TO FRUITION AND MAKE A PLAN AND IMPLEMENT IT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. COMMENT. I THINK WHAT OH I THOUGHT LAURA OKAY, NEVERMIND. SORRY. WELL I JUST WANTED MARK TO FILL OUT A BRIEF IF HE COULD TALK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE HE'S THE ONE WHO, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAS BROUGHT IT UP AT MANY MEETINGS AND IT'S NOTHING HAS EVER HAPPENED. BOARD MEMBER MOSER. I WASN'T GOING TO TALK ABOUT CONFUSION CORNER, BUT I LOOKED AT THAT INTERSECTION FOR YEARS AND YEARS WHEN MY KIDS WERE PLAYING ON THE PLAYGROUND AT KIWANIS. AND A COUPLE YEARS BACK, I DID SHOW A CONCEPT TO COMMISSIONER RICH AND THE FORMER CITY MANAGER. I THINK IT CERTAINLY IS A VERY UNSAFE INTERSECTION, EVEN WHEN YOU KNOW IT. SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROUNDABOUT AND YOU'VE GOT A YIELD FOR THE CARS COMING OVER THE TRACKS, YOU CAN'T TELL HOW FAST PEOPLE ARE GOING. SO EVEN FOR US LOCALS, IT'S IT'S A BIT DANGEROUS. AND I THINK THE TROUBLE WITH THAT INTERSECTION WHEN THEY HAD TO REDO IT IS, IS THAT WE WERE JUST TRYING TO PLEASE TOO MANY PEOPLE, AND SIMPLIFICATION OF IT WOULD BE AMAZING. I THINK IT WOULD MAKE IT WAY SAFER. IT WOULD FUNCTION BETTER 99% OF THE TIME. MAYBE NOT WHEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE TRAINS ARE GOING OVER THE TRACKS, BUT THAT'S 30 40 MINUTES OF THE DAY, SO I'D BE HAPPY TO EMAIL YOU ALL MY CONCEPTS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. MY SAFETY SHOULD CERTAINLY BE THE PRIORITY, NOT EVERYONE ELSE'S CONCEPT. WHAT CONFUSION? YEAH, TWO THINGS I WANTED TO

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IF YOU EXTENDED OSCEOLA STREET EVEN JUST UP TO THE WATERFRONT AND PUT PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT STREET, YOU COULD MAKE UP THE PARKING JUST BY ITSELF. JUST WANT TO GO OVER A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT IT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE. DOWNTOWN BECOME MORE FAMILY FRIENDLY AND MORE AFFORDABLE FOR NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD TO EAT AT SOME OF OUR LOVELY RESTAURANTS DOWNTOWN, BUT THAT I, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T TAKE MY KIDS SOMEWHERE WHERE WE'RE ALL EATING A $40 MEAL EACH. SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT ALL THIS SPACE WE'VE GOT DOWNTOWN. I'D LOVE TO SEE A CENTRAL GREEN. YOU KNOW, WE ARE A HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. THAT IS A HISTORIC USE IS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A TOWN GREEN WHERE PEOPLE CAN GATHER, WHERE THEY'RE SEATING. I'D LOVE TO SEE THEIR FUTURE, WHERE KIDS CAN PLAY. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE SPACE BE USABLE FOR ALL AGES. SO A LOT OF TIMES WHEN I SAY FAMILY FRIENDLY, PEOPLE THINK, OH, WE HAVE A PLAYGROUND, SLIDES. BUT YOU KNOW, KIDS LIKE RUNNING ON SEAT BALLS, LIKE CLIMBING ON ROCKS. WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT OVER HERE THAT THEY CAN PLAY WITH IF WE REALLY USE OUR IMAGINATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, HIRE DESIGNERS, NOT MY COMPANY. HIRE DESIGNERS TO TO IMAGINE HOW AWESOME THIS SPACE COULD BE. I KNOW THERE WAS TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT A PARKING GARAGE COULD HAPPEN HERE. I TALKED TO I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS THE CITY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IN DOWNTOWN WINTER GARDEN A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN I DID A TOUR OF THE CITY, AND THEY HAVE. IT'S A THREE DECK PARKING GARAGE, BUT IT ONLY LOOKS TWO STORIES. AND I ASKED HER, THINKING ABOUT STUART. WHEN DID YOU DECIDE IT WAS TIME TO PUT IN A PARKING GARAGE? AND SHE SAID, WHEN OUR BUSINESSES STARTED COMPLAINING ABOUT LOSING BUSINESS BECAUSE PEOPLE COULDN'T FIND PARKING, I AM I'M NOT LIKE A BIG ADVOCATE OF PARKING GARAGES ALL THE TIME BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WANT THEM, THEY PUT THEM IN AND THEN NOBODY USES THEM. PEOPLE STILL JUST WANT TO PARK RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT FINALLY BE THE TIME THAT STUART DOES NEED TO THINK ABOUT A PARKING GARAGE.

I WENT IN AUTOCAD AND JUST MEASURED TO SEE IF IT IF ONE COULD FIT HERE AND IT CAN WE CAN FIT A SMALLER PARKING GARAGE ON THIS SITE WHILE ALSO HAVING A GREEN SPACE AND YOU KNOW SOME SORT OF CENTRAL WATER FEATURE. BUT THEN IF YOU EXTEND OSCEOLA, YOU MEAN FOR COMMERCIAL AS WELL, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT A PARKING GARAGE. YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULDN'T DO

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IF YOU'RE EXTENDING. YEAH. OSCEOLA I'M PRESUMING THAT YOU'RE PUTTING COMMERCIAL THERE.

I THINK IT'S A GARAGE. EITHER YOU PUT IN THE PARKING GARAGE AND YOU'D HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM FOR RETAIL ALONG THE THE EDGE, OR YOU HAVE 1 OR 2 STORIES, I THINK. I THINK SOME OF THOSE OLDER CONCEPTS LOOK KIND OF SCARY BECAUSE THOSE WERE BIG HOTELS IN REALLY DENSE.

YEAH. I THINK IF WE HAVE 1 OR 2 STORIES THAT MATCHES WHAT WE'VE GOT UP THERE AND, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE GOOD, I DON'T REALLY I WORK IN PUBLIC SPACE, SO I HAVEN'T THOUGHT THROUGH THAT YET. THE ONE. RETAIL I GUESS THING THAT I AM THINKING ABOUT AND, AND GOING ALONG THE LINES OF THE FAMILY FRIENDLY IS I'VE SEEN THIS IN A LOT OF CITIES THAT ARE REVITALIZING, THAT MAYBE ARE NOT AS FORTUNATE AS STUART, THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAD A A HARD TIME FOR A LONG TIME IS, YOU KNOW, SMALL BUSINESS INCUBATOR SPACE OR SORT OF LIKE THAT FOOD HALL THAT YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS SITE RIGHT HERE BECOMES A BUNCH OF IT COULD BE FOOD TRUCKS. IT COULD BE. SEMI-TRAILERS. NOW, I'M SORRY, I HAVE SO MORE LIKE A KIOSK.

YOU MEAN WHERE THEY WOULD BE INDIVIDUALLY? KIND OF. I MEAN, SOMETHING THAT MAKES IT EASY FOR A MORE AFFORDABLE SANDWICH SHOP OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S CHEAP AND EASY. FAST CASUAL. YOU KNOW, I CAN COME HERE AND I CAN GET A SANDWICH WITH MY KIDS OR TACOS WITH MY KIDS, AND THEN WE ALL GO SIT ON THE LAWN. YEAH, ON THE GREEN SPACE. I JUST KEEP THINKING ABOUT, LIKE, IT'S BEEN MENTIONED A COUPLE TIMES HERE TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, OUR DOWNTOWN IS LOVELY, BUT IT'S EXPENSIVE. AND ARCADE SQUARE, WELL, IT COULD BE A FOOD ARCADE. YEAH.

SOMETHING I HAVE, LIKE. I'LL SEND YOU A GOOD LONG EMAIL HERE ONCE I GET IT ALL PUT TOGETHER.

BUT I'VE GOT INSPIRATION IMAGES OF JUST JUST SOME IDEAS FOR YOU ALL TO NOODLE ON. I'D LOVE, I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS SPACE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT, FOR IT TO BE A PLACE THAT EVERYBODY CAN USE, NO MATTER HOW OLD YOU ARE OR WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD. YEAH. THANK YOU.

OH. ONE MORE. SORRY. I'M SORRY. THERE IS AN EXAMPLE IN ORLANDO CALLED EAST END MARKET. THAT GUY'S DAD WAS A DEVELOPER, BUT HE WANTED TO BE A FARMER. AND SO HE TOOK HE BOUGHT AN OLD CHURCH AND HE TURNED IT INTO A MARKET SPACE. AND IT WAS ALL THESE LITTLE STALLS. AND SOME OF THOSE STALLS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS. THERE'S LIKE A CHEESE SHOP, A SUSHI PLACE. THERE ARE A COUPLE FARMERS THAT SELL IN THE MARKET, AND THEY'VE STAYED THERE THE WHOLE TIME. BUT THE OTHER ONES THAT WANTED TO GROW AND WERE REALLY SUCCESSFUL, THEY THEY MOVED ON TO LIKE BIGGER RETAIL SPACES ONCE THEY COULD SO LARGE CITIES HAVE THEM. ALSO, YOU HAVE PIKE'S MARKET IN SEATTLE, SAME THING. YOU WALK INTO THIS MARKET, BUT IN THERE THERE ARE DIFFERENT SANDWICH SHOPS, WHATEVER. PHILADELPHIA HAS THE SAME THING RIGHT NOW. THE NAME OF THE THE ENTITY IN PHILADELPHIA ALLUDES ME. BUT SAME THING. YOU WALK IN, YOU CAN HAVE PIZZA, YOU CAN HAVE SANDWICH, YOU KNOW. YES, THERE ARE HOT DOG ON A BUN OF THOSE ALONG THE BELTLINE NOW IN ATLANTA TOO, THAT I'M SORRY. NO, BONNIE, THANK YOU FOR THE TRIGGER. I REMEMBER WHEN I, MY WIFE AND I COULD AFFORD OUR FIRST HOUSE AND I HAD TO DO THE SALES JOB OF A A LITTLE CRACKER BOX AND STEWART VERSUS A MCMANSION TYPE THING IN PORT SAINT LUCIE AT THE SAME, ABOUT THE SAME PRICE. AND LUCKILY SHE DECIDED THE ONE PREREQUISITE SHE HAD TO BE WITHIN A MILE OF WHERE SHE WORKED. I'M LIKE, OH, RIGHT, COOL. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT. AND I REMEMBER COMING HERE TO THIS PLACE RIGHT HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME BACK IN 1987, AND GOING, WHOA, WHERE DO I LIVE? I HAD NO IDEA. IT WAS SUCH A SENSE OF PRIDE. WHEN I FIRST CAME TO THIS CITY HALL, THE LOCATION OF IT, AND FOR OUR FOREFATHERS TO DECIDE WE'RE BADASS. AND THIS IS WHERE OUR CITY HALL IS GOING TO GO. AND I STILL HAVE THAT SENSE OF PRIDE.

AND I THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED BE THIS, THIS GREAT, SPECIAL PLACE AS FAR AS WE THE PEOPLE. OKAY, IF IF THERE'S ONE PLACE THAT THE WHOLE CITY CAN HAVE PRIDE IN, I THINK IT'S THIS PLACE.

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AND I'D LIKE TO THANK JOE LEE FOR HAVING FOR GETTING ME THINKING ABOUT THIS, THAT I WAS IN FOR A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. BUT SELLING THE WELLS FARGO BUILDING AND THEN MAKING THIS BUILDING WHAT WE REALLY NEED. IF YOU LOOK OUT 100 YEARS, 200 YEARS, THE CITY OF STEWART IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE EVEN A LITTLE BETTER THAN THAT. FREAKING UNBELIEVABLE.

COURTHOUSE BUILDING IN CORAL GABLES. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S SEEN THAT, BUT IT'S LIKE IT'S IT'S THE MOST AMAZING BUILDING EVER BUILT I'VE EVER SEEN. BUT THIS FOR WE THE PEOPLE, OUR HOMETOWN, TO HAVE OUR CITY HALL IN THIS SPOT. IT'S GOING TO BREAK MY HEART WHEN THAT WHEN THAT IS NOT THE CASE. THANK YOU. I START WITH I SOMEWHAT AGREE WITH FRANK, I DO TOO. I NEVER DID WANT US TO MOVE FROM HERE, BUT WE'VE HAD OUR ISSUES, SO I'M GLAD THAT MAIN STREET IS DOING THE STUDY AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND LOOK AT EVERYTHING AND LOOK AT OUR FINANCES AND SEE HOW THINGS ARE GOING. WE'VE SLOWLY MOVED INTO THAT BUILDING, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE A LOT OF BIG INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES IN THERE. I DON'T THINK SO. IT'S ALWAYS AN OPPORTUNITY. LET ME JUST GO BACK TO THE. I'M SURE THAT THERE'S A SCHEDULE, AND PROBABLY THAT'S WHY IT WAS UP THAT PEOPLE CAN PUT IN AN APPLICATION. YEAH. JUST WENT OUT I THINK A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO AND I REPOSTED IT SO PEOPLE WOULD SEE IT. IF WE NEED PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THAT, OR IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CRITERIA AND MAYBE TALK TO HER AND SEE IF IN THE FUTURE, IF WE WANT TO WORK ON SOMETHING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, AND THAT'S THE NEXT TIME THAT PROJECT GOES OUT. WE CAN HAVE IT IN ANOTHER WAY, BUT DEFINITELY UNLESS WE WANT HER TO PRESENT AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING OUT AS THE BID. BUT I KNOW THAT WE'VE ADDED $1 MILLION THIS, THAT, AND A LOT OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED IN HOW MATCHES AND GRANTS AND THINGS GOING. WE'VE KIND OF MANEUVERED IT AND CHANGE IT OVER TIME. BUT IF IT NEEDS TO CHANGE AGAIN AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WE CAN WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK, YOU KNOW, TO EITHER BRING TO US AT A MEETING, BUT I'M SURE THE PAPERWORK HAS GONE FOR THIS TIME ALREADY. SO I WASN'T LOOKING TO CHANGE IT. I WAS ACTUALLY LOOKING TO COMPLIMENT IT, YOU KNOW, SO YOU HAVE KIND OF TWO SECTIONS YOU HAVE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY SMALL, SMALL BUSINESSES THAT CAN'T COME UNDER THAT CRITERIA. THEY DON'T HAVE THE $10,000 MATCH, BUT OFFERING SOMETHING ELSE. SO IT WOULD BE TWO PROGRAMS, AND I'M NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE THE ONE WE HAVE. I'M SURE THAT HELPS A LOT OF PEOPLE. WELL, OKAY. THANK YOU. FUSION CORNER.

WHEN SAM EMERSON WAS OUR OUR ENGINEER, I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT DOING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE DOT HAVE ON THEIR BIG ROAD, WHICH THEY HAVE THE ARROWS AND THEIR LIGHTED AND YOU CAN SEE THEM AT NIGHT. I ASKED ABOUT DOING ARROWS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN KNOW WHERE TO TURN AND WHERE TO GO. PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT. I SEE THAT I'M GOOD, BUT ANYTHING. BONNIE, I'LL LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE AND WHATEVER IS ON CALL FOR US IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT OR HAVE HIM LOOK AT IT FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT WE DON'T OVER THE YEARS, THAT WE DON'T HAVE A HIGH RATE OF ACCIDENT, THAT CONFUSION CORNER. NOW, APPARENTLY IT'S CHANGING. IT SEEMS TO BE EVERY DAY THERE'S SOMEBODY DRIVING DOWN THE RAILROAD TRACK AS IF IT'S A ROAD. I'M NOT SURE. MAYBE WE NEED TO PUT A BIG SIGN. THERE'S A RAILROAD TRACK IN FRONT OF YOU. DON'T DRIVE ON IT. CROSS OVER IT. I DON'T KNOW, BUT. IF I. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. MAYBE WE NEED TO GET CHIEF TO TELL US WHAT'S GOING ON WITH ACCIDENT RATES THERE. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS SUCH A IT WAS. IT WAS AFTER YOU LEARN IT, IT'S NOT OFFENSIVE. BUT THEN IN

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CONFUSION CORNER. I KNOW IT HAS THAT NAME CONFUSION. WILL WE EVER BE ABLE TO GET RID OF THE CONFUSION? BUT. REAL QUICK. SO IF THAT IS THE CASE WHERE CONFUSION CORNERS BECOME A TOTAL NIGHTMARE WITH LOTS OF INCIDENTS COMPARED TO A FEW YEARS AGO, THEN I GO TO WHAT'S DIFFERENT NOW, AND THEN I'LL LOOK TO MY BOARD MEMBER TO THE RIGHT WHO'S CHRISTMAS FLOAT.

PRETTY MUCH SET IT ALL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE CONSENSUS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM ABOUT CONFUSION CORNER, AT LEAST TO START FIGURING OUT WHERE AND IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING FOR FUTURE CRA SLASH CRB JOINT MEETING. ARE THERE OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? MR. MAYOR, I CAN'T HEAR YOU GET A MIC. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU.

WOW, YOU. THE PROPER FUNCTION OF GOVERNMENT IS PROTECT THE LIVES, LIBERTY AND PROPERTY OF CITIZENS BUT NOT PROVIDE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK OF WHEN I'M SITTING AS A CRB MEMBER, AND I'M ABOUT TO GIVE AWAY SOMEBODY ELSE'S MONEY TO SOMEBODY ELSE, IT COULD QUITE LITERALLY BE ONE BUSINESSES TAX MONEY GOING TO GIVE FUNDS TO THEIR COMPETITION. OKAY, SO I, I STRUGGLE WITH THAT AS I SIT THERE AND LISTEN TO TAKE IT FURTHER, TO PROVIDE FOR SOME, THE GOVERNMENT MUST FIRST TAKE FROM OTHERS. ONCE GRANTED THIS POWER, IT BECOMES A MECHANISM FOR LEGALIZED PLUNDER. ONCE THIS MECHANISM IS IN PLACE, IT BECOMES A HIGHLY COVETED TOOL BY OTHERS WHO WISH TO LINE THEIR POCKETS. WITH THE TAXES TAKEN FROM OTHER PEOPLE.

EVERYBODY WANTS IN ON THIS TAKE AND EVENTUALLY IT ATTRACTS OUTSIDERS DEVELOPERS. WHILE THE LOCALS ARE HARVESTED FOR THEIR TAXES. THIS ULTIMATELY WILL INCREASE RENTS, PROPERTY VALUES, WHICH OF COURSE IS THE OBJECTIVE OF THE CRA. WE WANT TO REALLY BUILD THIS PLACE UP AND THEN IT BECOMES NICE AND REFURBISHED, WHICH I KIND OF GET IT. YOU WANT TO AVOID SLUM AND BLIGHT, BUT AT WHAT POINT DO WE SAY, OKAY, WE'RE PAST THE SLUM AND BLIGHT PHASE. WE'VE BECOME A PRETTY NICE PLACE. DO WE WANT TO KEEP JACKING PROPERTY VALUES UP AND THEN FORCING? THERE'S A BUSINESS MEMBER I WAS SPEAKING TO THIS SUMMER. HE HAD TO MOVE HIS LOCATION IN DOWNTOWN STUART TO ANOTHER SPOT BECAUSE THE RENT WENT TOO HIGH. HE'D BEEN HERE LIKE 26 YEARS, HE'S TELLING ME, AND HE GIVES A DISCOUNT TO LOCALS. HE GAVE ME THIS LITTLE CARD. OH, YOU'RE A LOCAL. HERE'S A 10% DISCOUNT. OKAY. BUT HE'S A HE DIDN'T SAY IT DIRECTLY, BUT IF I'M UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, HE WAS CONCERNED THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE PRICED OUT OF THE DOWNTOWN STUART AREA, WHICH IS WHERE HE HAD HAD HIS BUSINESS FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS.

SO. I JUST THOUGHT I'D WANT TO BRING THAT UP AND ALSO COMES BACK TO THIS CONGRESS CRITTER, DAVID CROCKETT, WHO HAD ONE OF HIS CONSTITUENTS TELL HIM IT WAS ALL ANGRY THAT HE GAVE AWAY TAXPAYER FUNDS. HE SAYS IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY TO GIVE. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IN THE CRB. WHEN THESE PEOPLE COME AND ASK, HEY, I'M THINKING, WELL, IS IT REALLY MY MONEY THESE PEOPLE HAVE KICKED IN THEIR TAXES? IS IT MY MONEY TO GIVE AWAY TO THESE PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'VE KIND OF MOVED PAST THE SLUM AND BLIGHT PHASE? FOR THE MOST PART, I GET IT. THERE'S AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT ALL YOUR ATTENTION AND REALLY ASK, HOW MUCH LONGER DO WE REALLY NEED THE CRB OR THE CRA? IT'S IT'S HERE UNTIL WHAT, 2049? IF I REMEMBER CORRECT. AND WE HAVE A GREAT STAFF MEMBER WHO RUNS THIS.

MAYBE THAT'S WHY WE'RE SO EFFECTIVE. WE HAVE GREAT STAFF. SO AND WE HAVE A GREAT TAX BASE.

SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. MAYBE JUST SAYING THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THINK YOU COULD MAKE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT JUST FOR DISCUSSION. JUST FOR DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF STUART, MARTIN COUNTY, AS FAR AS I SEE IT, LIKE SLOW GROWTH. THEY DON'T WANT THEIR

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YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE AREAS NICER, SO THAT DEVELOPMENT COMES IN TO INCREASE THE TAX BASE, WHICH INCREASES EVERYBODY'S TAXES. YOU'RE MAKING IT HARDER TO FUND PUBLIC SAFETY IN, THEREBY MAKING IT MORE LIKELY THAT TAXES GO UP. YEAH. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

WELL, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? ALL RIGHT. NO. EVERYBODY'S GOOD.

OKAY. SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY I'VE JUST SAID PLACEHOLDER FOR STAFF UPDATES. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SURE. YEAH. I DID HAVE ONE THING TO SAY. AND WILL I DON'T DISAGREE ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS, BUT IT IS OUR JOB TO DO A NICE BALANCE. WE NEED TO. SAFETY, I THINK, IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE DOWNTOWN THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT IS THE REASON, I THINK, THAT MOST OF US ARE HERE. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT BALANCE HAPPEN, AND THAT'S FOR US TO CONTINUE TO DO A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. BECAUSE YOU SAID STAFF UPDATES AND MAYBE IT'S NOT A CRA CRB THING. IT MIGHT JUST BE A REGULAR CITY COMMISSION. BUT HOW ARE WE DOING ON THE. HAMILTON PROPERTY? THAT'S NOT FOR THIS MEETING. THAT STAFF IS GOING TO BRING BACK SOMETHING TO US AT SOME OTHER POINT. PROBABLY NOT. YEAH. WE'VE NOT IT'S NOT NOTICED TO BE DISCUSSED HERE TODAY. RIGHT. IT'S ONGOING. IT'S NOT A CRB CRA. THERE'LL BE A CITY COMMISSION EITHER. RIGHT. IF IT'S EVER BROUGHT UP. YEAH. IF IT'S GOING TO BE BROUGHT UP.

BUT IT'S PART OF A CRA PROGRAM, RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH. YOU KNOW THERE, THERE JUST REQUIRE CITY COMMISSION ACTION ON A PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT'S BEING RAISED BY. BUT IT'S IT'S ONGOING. THERE HAS BEEN NO RESOLUTION TO IT. AND TRYING TO GET A SCOPE OF WORK THAT YOU THANK YOU SIR. THAT WAS THE LATEST. THE SCOPE OF WORK NEEDS TO BE SIGNED RIGHT. THAT'S BEEN GOING ON. IT'S GOT TO BE AGREED TO IN THE HAMILTON AND. ANYTHING ELSE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.