Mar 09, 2026 Regular City Commission Meeting

[ROLL CALL]

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MEETING OF THE STEWART CITY COMMISSION TO ORDER. MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? MAYOR COLLINS HERE, VICE MAYOR REED HERE. COMMISSIONER CLARK HERE. COMMISSIONER. JOB HERE.

COMMISSIONER RICH, HERE. AND WE'LL HAVE OUR INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY CHAPLAINS ED SKIBA. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY OFFICERS, ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE OF STEWART. I'M SO HAPPY TO BE HERE AGAIN, TO BRING THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD INTO THESE PROCEEDINGS. BEFORE WE BEGIN, I KNOW THERE ARE DIVERSE OPINIONS HERE WITHIN US ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COUNTRY AND THE WAR THAT WE'RE ENGAGED IN, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO OUR PERSPECTIVE ON IT. BUT REMEMBER SOMETHING.

WE'VE GOT YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN THAT SIGNED A CONTRACT, A BLANK CHECK FOR AN AMOUNT UP TO AND INCLUDING THEIR LIVES THAT ARE PUTTING THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE FOR THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. ALL THEY'RE DOING IS OBEYING ORDERS. THERE ARE SONS AND DAUGHTERS. LET'S KEEP THEM IN OUR PRAYERS AS WE GO BEFORE THE LORD OUR GOD AND OUR FATHER, GREAT CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE. YOU RAISE UP MEN AND WOMEN TO TAKE LEADERSHIP IN THIS COUNTRY. YOU PUT THEM ON OUR CITY COUNCIL.

YOU PUT THEM IN OUR STATE AND OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. LORD, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO WITHOUT THESE PEOPLE OF LEADERSHIP. YOUR WORD SAYS THAT ALL AUTHORITY COMES FROM YOU.

THE AUTHORITY THEY CARRY COMES FROM YOU. WE MAY NOT ALWAYS AGREE WITH IT. YOU MAY NOT ALWAYS AGREE WITH IT, BUT THEY WILL BE ACCOUNTABLE BEFORE YOU AS THIS COMMITTEE DETERMINES AND DELIBERATES ON THINGS THAT ARE GOOD FOR THIS CITY. FATHER, I ASK YOU FOR GUIDANCE, DIRECTION. JUST GIVE THEM AN INSIGHT AS TO WHAT YOU'LL HAVE US DO TO KEEP THIS A BEAUTIFUL CITY AS IT IS. WE ASK ALSO YOUR BLESSING ON THIS COUNTRY AND ON ALL OUR TROOPS THAT ARE ENGAGED IN THIS CONFLICT AT THIS TIME, THAT ARE THERE TO PRESERVE OUR NATION, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, BE WITH US IN THESE PROCEEDINGS. LORD, IN JESUS NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. WOULD YOU PLEASE JOIN ME NOW IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. PLEASE BE SEATED. THANK YOU.

CHAPLAIN. AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR ARTS MOMENT. AND I HAVE LEILA FORD FROM JENSEN BEACH HIGH SCHOOL SINGING MY WORSHIP.

GOOD AFTERNOON. YOU, LORD. YOU ARE WORTHY. AND KNOW ONE CAN WORSHIP YOU FOR ME. FOR ALL THE THINGS YOU'VE DONE FOR ME. AND KNOW ONE CAN WORSHIP YOU FOR ME. HERE'S MY WORD. ALL OF MY WORSHIP. RECEIVE MY WORSHIP. ALL OF MY WORSHIP. HERE'S MY WORD. ALL OF MY WORSHIP.

RECEIVE MY WORD. ALL OF MY WORSHIP. YOU, LORD, YOU ARE WORTHY. THE. THANK YOU. THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU. LESSONS THAT. OH, SHE HAS A CERTIFICATE. COME ON UP AND

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[PROCLAMATIONS]

THE LYRIC THEATER CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION, MARCH 15TH, 2026. WHEREAS THE LYRIC THEATER OPENED ITS DOORS ON MARCH 15TH, 1926 TO HIGH ACCLAIM WITH THE STEWART DAILY NEWS REPORTING, THE LYRIC IS GOING TO BE A MIGHTY POPULAR PLACE, ONE THAT EVERY RESIDENT OF STEWART MIGHT WELL BE PROUD OF. AND WHEREAS THE LYRIC THEATER IS LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, SECURING IT AS AS A STEWART LANDMARK AND ENSURING IT AS A LIVING LEGACY OF ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT. AND WHEREAS THE LYRIC THEATER IS FOUNDATIONAL TO THE LIFE AND CULTURE OF STEWART, AS PERFORMANCES AND EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS DRAW THEATER GOERS FROM ALL AGES FROM ALL OVER THE TREASURE COAST IN THE PALM BEACHES. AND WHEREAS THE THEATER'S ENDURING SUCCESS IS A TESTAMENT TO ITS COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY FOR WHICH IT WAS BUILT AND THE SUPPORT IT RECEIVES FROM THE COMMUNITY. NOW, THEREFORE, I, CHRISTOPHER COLLINS, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF STEWART, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MARCH 15TH, 2026 IS THE LYRIC THEATER CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION DAY TO RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE ITS LASTING PLACE IN OUR COMMUNITY'S HISTORY AND FUTURE. AND. KIA FONTAINE, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR. YES, I. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS, ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, STAFF, VOLUNTEERS, DONORS, PATRONS AND THE GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE SHAPED THE LYRIC STORY OVER THE PAST CENTURY, I AM TRULY HONORED TO ACCEPT THIS PROCLAMATION. THE HISTORY OF THE LYRIC IS A STORY OF COMMUNITY, COMMITMENT AND CREATIVITY. 100 YEARS AGO, THE BUILDING FIRST OPENED ITS DOORS AS A PLACE WHERE THE COMMUNITY COULD GATHER TO BE ENTERTAINED, INSPIRED AND TO SHARE EXPERIENCES TOGETHER. OVER THE DECADES, GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE WALKED THROUGH THOSE DOORS, EACH LEAVING A LITTLE BIT OF THEMSELVES BEHIND. WHAT MAKES THE LYRIC VERY SPECIAL IS NOT SIMPLY A HISTORIC BUILDING, IT IS THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS SUSTAINED IT WHEN IT MATTERED MOST. PEOPLE CAME TOGETHER WITH VISION, DETERMINATION AND GENEROSITY TO ENSURE THAT THIS THEATER WOULD CONTINUE TO SERVE AS THE CULTURAL HEART OF DOWNTOWN STEWART AND THE TREASURE COAST. TODAY'S RECOGNITION BELONGS TO ALL OF THE COMMUNITY. MANY MEMBERS ARE HERE TODAY. THANK YOU FOR COMING. THE DREAMERS WHO BUILT IT, THE VISIONARIES WHO SAW IT AS AN ANCHOR FOR THE REVITALIZATION OF DOWNTOWN, AND A NEEDED ENTERTAINMENT CENTER. THE ADVOCATES WHO PRESERVED IT, THE ARTISTS WHO HAVE PERFORMED ON ITS STAGE, AND THE STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS WHO CARE FOR IT EVERY DAY, AND THE AUDIENCES WHO CONTINUE TO STILL FILL IT WITH LIFE. A HUNDRED YEARS IS A REMARKABLE MILESTONE, BUT IT IS ALSO A REMINDER THAT WE ARE JUST ONE CHAPTER IN A MUCH LONGER STORY. OUR RESPONSIBILITY NOW IS TO ENSURE THAT THE LYRIC CONTINUES TO INSPIRE, CONNECT AND TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER FOR THE NEXT HUNDRED YEARS. THE LYRIC PROVIDES ACCESS TO ARTS AND CULTURE, WHICH IS ESSENTIAL FOR BUILDING A STRONGER COMMUNITY. FRIENDS OF THE LYRIC ARE DEDICATED TO STRENGTHENING OUR COMMITMENT TO EMPOWER, TO EDUCATE AND INSPIRE OUR LEADERS OF TOMORROW WHILE PROVIDING A HOME FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS. THANK YOU FOR THIS HONOR, AND THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF ART AND CULTURE, AND THE ROLE THE LYRIC THEATER PLAYS HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A STRONG FOLLOWING. CAN WE GET EVERYBODY? YES. COME ON EVERYBODY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO COME ON DOWN. OH, MISS CHRISTINE. CHRIS. ONE

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I'LL SEND IT TO THEM. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO SEND IT. RIGHT HERE. SEE, I KNEW IT. I

[PRESENTATIONS ]

RYAN POWERS. CAVO. WHO? YOU HAVE TO. YOU HAVE TO DO SOME KIND OF SPEECH. YES. TEN MINUTES ON THE MIC. YOU KNOW THE RULES. YOU KNOW THE RULES. COME ON. IT'S TEN YEARS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE CITIZENS AND THE COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART. I'VE ENJOYED WORKING HERE AND HELPING, YOU KNOW, ALL THE EMPLOYEES THROUGH THEIR LEGAL ISSUES AND HOPE TO STAY MANY MORE YEARS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FOR HIM. YEAH, HE'LL EAT IT TO KNOW THE NAME. CHRIS. I GOTTA READ IT OUT. OKAY, OKAY.

AND WITH TEN YEARS OF SERVICE, MICHELLE ARBUSOW. SPEECH. NO SPEECH. YES. THERE YOU GO.

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AND I ENJOY SERVING THE CITIZENS OF STUART. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND HER DAUGHTER IS COMING UP. WHERE'S. COME ON. YES. YES, MOM. YOU HAVE TO. OKAY. COME ON. THERE YOU GO AGAIN. COME ON IN. THERE YOU GO. HE USED TO WORK HERE AS A CODE ENFORCEMENT. THERE YOU GO. AND IT WOULD BE THAT GUY. MICHELLE. MICHELLE. IS THERE ANY MORE? NO. OKAY. ALL OF THOSE I READ IN THE AGENDA, I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANYMORE. OKAY, MOVING ON TO THE FDOT, MONTEREY ROAD FEC RAILROAD CROSSING GRADE SEPARATION PROJECT PRESENTATION. WE HAVE ROBERT HERE FROM FDOT WHO WILL GIVE THE PRESENTATION. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. HELLO. CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? OKAY. THANK YOU. AND GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE ALL OF YOU ON THE STATE ROAD 714 AT FEC RAILROAD CROSSING BEING PERFORMED BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. THANK YOU. BRING THE MIC DOWN, PLEASE. MAYBE IT NEEDS TO. HELLO? THERE YOU GO. IS THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. MY NAME IS ROB LOPEZ, AS JUST MENTIONED. OKAY. WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS PROJECT SCHEDULE. A QUICK REVIEW OF OUR SCHEDULE FOR THIS STUDY. WE HAVE PERFORMED THE DATA COLLECTION AND HAD OUR PUBLIC KICKOFF MEETING. WE HAVE ALSO BEEN PERFORMING OUR ANALYSIS AND EXAMINATION OF OUR ALTERNATIVES. AND WE'LL BE HOLDING AN ALTERNATIVES PUBLIC WORKSHOP THIS MONTH. THIS WEEK ACTUALLY, WE WILL TAKE THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED FROM THIS PUBLIC OUTREACH AND REFINE THE ALTERNATIVES AND RETURN ONCE AGAIN THE BEGINNING OF 2027, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR MOVING FORWARD. THE RIGHT OF WAY IS CURRENTLY FUNDED FOR THIS PROJECT IN FISCAL YEAR 2028, AND CONSTRUCTION IN FISCAL YEAR 2030. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE AN OVERVIEW OF THAT SCHEDULE ON THE BOARD RIGHT THERE. LET ME SEE IF THE LASER POINTER WORKS AND SEE IF MY EYES WORK. SO WE'RE RIGHT. WE'RE RIGHT ABOUT HERE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT STAR RIGHT THERE MARKS THE ALTERNATIVE PUBLIC MEETING, WHICH WILL BE HELD THIS THIS WEEK ON WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. AND TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE. HERE'S A MAP THAT SHOWS OUR PROJECT PURPOSE AND LOCATION. THE PROJECT IS LOCATED NOT FAR FROM WHERE WE ARE TODAY. YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT THE PROJECT STUDY AREA OF INFLUENCE HAS BEEN EXPANDED FROM FOR THE STATE ROAD 714, MONTEREY ROAD FROM MONTEREY ROAD EXTENSION TO WEST OF SOUTHEAST FLYING FORTRESS LANE, AND ALONG COUNTY ROAD 81 FROM WITHAM FIELD DRIVE TO JUST NORTH OF SOUTHEAST 16TH STREET. JUST KIND OF TO GIVE EVERYONE AN IDEA WHAT THAT MEANS, THE PROJECT REALLY IS ABOUT THIS ONE CROSSING RIGHT HERE ON DIXIE AND MONTEREY ROAD, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE AREA IN BLUE IS THE ENTIRE AREA THAT CAN BE THAT WILL BE POTENTIALLY BE IMPACTED BY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE. SO EVERYTHING IN BLUE IS BEING EVALUATED FOR SECONDARY IMPACTS. THE PROJECT PURPOSE IS TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC OPERATIONS, ESTABLISH MORE EFFICIENT ROADWAY SYSTEM CONNECTIVITY, AND PROVIDE ENHANCED EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND EVACUATION, AND IMPROVE SIDEWALKS AND BIKE LANE NETWORK.

OKAY, YOU CAN SEE THE SLIDE IN FRONT OF YOU, GIVES YOU A LITTLE OVERVIEW OF THE EXISTING TRAFFIC AT LEVELS THAT WERE MEASURED IN 2022. EIGHT IS THE ANNUAL AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC, WHICH TAKES IN ALL VEHICLE TRIPS ON A SEGMENT OF ROAD OR HIGHWAY DURING A YEAR LONG INTERVAL IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, AND IS THEN DIVIDED BY TOTAL OF 365 DAYS TO ARRIVE AT THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF DAILY TRIPS. THE EIGHT FOR EXISTING CONDITIONS. BASED UPON TRAFFIC

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THE MONTEREY, MONTEREY, AND DIXIE HIGHWAY. AND LOOKING AT HERE AS WE FAST FORWARD TO YEAR 2050, THE TRAFFIC PROJECTED FOR THE NO BUILD CONDITION HAS AN ADT THAT RANGES FROM 10,200 TO 33,500 VEHICLES PER DAY IN THE VICINITY OF THE STUDY INTERSECTION. SO YOU CAN SPECIFICALLY SEE THAT 27,000 27,500 BY 2050 IS PROJECTED TO INCREASE TO 33,500 VEHICLES PER DAY. THIS SLIDE ALSO DEPICTS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OF THOSE SAME INTERSECTIONS DURING THE AM AND PM PEAK PERIODS, BUT NOW FORECASTED OUT INTO 2050. THE ONLY ADJUSTMENT IS TO THE SIGNAL TIMING AND THE LEVELS. LEVEL OF SERVICES RANGES FROM B TO F, WITH FOUR OF THE PEAKS BEING A LEVEL OF SERVICE F, AND YOU CAN KIND OF ALREADY SEE THAT INCREASE OF TRAFFIC ALONG THAT MAIN CORRIDOR THERE HAS PUSHED THAT INTERSECTION OF MONTEREY AND DIXIE TO WHAT IS CONSIDERED A FAILING LEVEL OF SERVICE. F. OKAY, I'LL NOW TURN TURN THE MICROPHONE OVER TO TANYA. SHE'LL BE TALKING TO YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE LOOKED AT FOR THIS LOCATION. THANK YOU. SO ONE OF THE DISTINCTIVE ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT IS THE CLOSE PROXIMITY OF 714 TO THE END OF RUNWAY 1230, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY RUNWAY FOR WITH AN AIRFIELD. AS WITH ALL RUNWAYS, THE SURROUNDING SLOPES AND SURFACES ARE CRITICAL TO MAINTAINING THE SAFETY AND INTEGRITY OF AIRCRAFT OPERATION. THESE AREAS MUST BE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH AVIATION SAFETY STANDARDS AND TO PROTECT NOT ONLY AIR TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO ADJACENT LAND USES. ONE SUCH CRITICAL SURFACE IS THE RUNWAY PROTECTION ZONE, ALSO REFERRED TO AS THE RFP'S, WHICH IS DEPICTED ON THE CURRENT SLIDE. THE YELLOW SHAPE REPRESENTS THE ARRIVAL RFP'S, WHILE THE PURPLE IS THE DEPARTURE RFP'S. DURING OUR MEETING WITH FAA, IT WAS CONVEYED THAT ANY NEW ROADWAY OR INTERSECTION NEEDS TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE ARRIVAL RFP'S. THE EXISTING STATE ROAD 714 ALIGNMENT IS GRANDFATHERED INTO THE RFP'S, SO STAYING WITHIN ITS CURRENT FOOTPRINT IS VITAL. ANOTHER IMPORTANT ASPECT IS THE COMPENSATION REQUIREMENTS FOR THE RAILROAD. IF THE RAILROAD CROSSING IS BUILT AS AN OVERPASS AT THE CURRENT STATE ROAD 714 LOCATION, NO OTHER RAILROAD CROSSINGS WOULD BE NEEDED TO BE CLOSED. IF A NEW CROSSING, EITHER ELEVATED OR AT GRADE, IS BUILT AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION, ONE OR MORE EXISTING RAILROAD ROADWAY CROSSINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE CLOSED AS COMPENSATION. THE CROSSING NEEDS TO BE CLOSED. WE WILL BE LOOKING TO THE COUNTY FOR THAT

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THIS SLIDE ILLUSTRATES POTENTIAL PARCEL ENCROACHMENTS FOR ALTERNATIVE THREE. ONCE AGAIN, THE INTENSITY OF YELLOW INDICATES THE DEGREE OF ENCROACHMENT. LESS INTENSE REPRESENTS THE MINIMAL IMPACTS, WHILE MORE INTENSITY SIGNIFIES GREATER IMPACT. AGAIN, THE HATCHING WAS ADDED TO SIGNIFY AN ADDITIONAL NOTATION OF A NEED TO OR AN IMPACT TO A PARTICULAR STRUCTURE. DURING THE MARTIN MPO POLICY BOARD MEETING HELD ON FEBRUARY 23RD OF THIS YEAR, WE WERE ASKED TO CONSIDER AN AT GRADE AND AN UNDERPASS FOR ALTERNATIVE THREE, AN UNDERPASS CONCEPT AT STATE ROAD 714 AND COUNTY ROAD A-1-A HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN DETERMINED UNFEASIBLE BASED UPON COORDINATION WITH FEC. THE REQUIREMENT FOR MAINTAINING THE RAIL LINE OPERATIONS, AND TEMPORARY TRAFFIC CONTROL. THEREFORE, THEY WERE DROPPED FROM FURTHER CONSIDERATION. THE SAME WOULD APPLY HERE. HOWEVER, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF AN AT GRADE CROSSING. SO ON YOUR LEFT IS THE ALT THREE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, WHERE WE'RE RAISING THE INTERSECTION AND HAVING THE STRUCTURE GO OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS VERSUS THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT IS REPRESENTATIVE OF AN AT GRADE INTERSECTION OR CROSSING. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. THAT WAS THAT WAS MY INPUT. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT INTO THIS THIS EVENING. SURE. CERTAINLY. TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM MANAGEMENT AND OPERATIONS, ALSO KNOWN AS TSM AND FOCUSES ON ENHANCING SAFETY, RELIABILITY AND MOBILITY BY ACTIVELY MANAGING THE EXISTING E TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. IT USES TECHNOLOGY, DATA AND COLLABORATIVE STRATEGIES TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW, REDUCE CONGESTION, AND MAXIMIZE INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY WITHOUT RELYING ON A LARGE SCALE SCALE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. EXAMPLE OF SUCH ENHANCEMENTS ARE SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE, THE FIRST BEING FOR STATE ROAD 714 AT FEDERAL HIGHWAY, WHERE WE ARE ADDING SOME TURN LANES, AND IF YOU NOTICE, WE ARE THE DRIVEWAY GOING INTO THAT MALL PLAZA IS WOULD BECOME A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. AND THEN AT STATE ROAD 714 AND COUNTY ROAD A-1-A, WE ADDED ADDITIONAL TURN LANES WHERE WE COULD WITHOUT IMPACTING THE RAILROAD. EXCUSE ME, I ASK A QUESTION, HOW WOULD YOU ENFORCE THAT GOING IN? BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS THAT RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE LEAVING WILL SIT THERE FOREVER TO TURN LEFT. THIS WOULD BE A TRAFFIC SEPARATOR. IT WOULD BE WHAT A TRAFFIC SEPARATOR OKAY. SO YOU COULDN'T YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TO DRIVE OVER IT. AND THEN OF COURSE WE WERE MAKING THAT LARGER TO AND THEN PEOPLE STACK UP TO TURN LEFT INTO THE PLAZA AND THEN THEY'RE WAY IN FRONT OF IT. IT'S SUCH A MESS. YES. YEAH, YEAH. BUT IF YOU SEE THE WAY THAT THEY'VE DESIGNED THAT TRIANGLE GOING INTO THE PLAZA, THAT WOULD. YEAH. I'LL LET YOU EXPLAIN IT. YEAH. SO THIS IS A MUCH LARGER TODAY. THERE IS A ISLAND THERE THAT TO ME IS MORE OF A SUGGESTION. YEAH. OF HEY, THIS SHOULD BE RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT WHERE THIS WOULD BE A LARGER ISLAND THAT WOULD WOULD WITH NON MOUNTABLE CURBS. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO TURN AND GO RIGHT AND PEOPLE OUT. AND THEN THIS WOULD BE A TRAFFIC SEPARATOR. SO IT WOULD BE A RAISED OKAY GOOD A NARROW RAISED CONCRETE. SO YOU COULDN'T ACTUALLY DRIVE OVER IT TO TURN. YOU'LL BE SURPRISED. YEAH OKAY. HOW MANY PEOPLE MAKE A LEFT THERE. DEPENDS ON HOW BIG YOUR TRUCK IS. YEAH. DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? NO. NO. OKAY. GO AHEAD. YEAH. OKAY.

GOOD. OKAY. AS A REMINDER, AADT IS THE AVERAGE ANNUAL DAILY TRAFFIC WHICH IS TAKEN IN ALL, WHICH TAKES IN ALL VEHICLE TRIPS ON A SEGMENT OF ROADWAY OR HIGHWAY DURING A YEAR LONG INTERVAL IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, AND THEN DIVIDES THE TOTAL BY 365 DAYS TO ARRIVE AT THE AVERAGE NUMBER FOR THE DAILY TRIPS. THE TRAFFIC PROJECTED INTO THE YEAR 2050 FOR THE NO

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THE LEVEL OF SERVICE RANGES FROM A TO F, WITH D BEING THE MOST OCCURRING LEVEL OF SERVICE.

THE TRAFFIC PROJECTED INTO THE YEAR 2050 FOR THE ALTERNATIVE THREE HAS AN ART THAT RANGES FROM 2400 TO 47,000 VEHICLES PER DAY. IN THE VICINITY OF THE INTERSECTION. SO I'M NOW LOOKING DOWN THROUGH HERE WHEN I'M REFERRING TO THOSE NUMBERS, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS AFFECTED BY ALTERNATIVE THREE FOR THE 2050 BUILD CONDITION IS SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE. THE LEVEL OF SERVICE RANGES FROM B TO E, WITH D AND E BEING THE MOST OCCURRING LEVEL OF SERVICE. OUR EVALUATION MATRIX IS DIVIDED INTO TWO SEGMENTS. THE FIRST IS BASED UPON IMPACTS, SO THE LOWER THE BETTER, THE HIGHER THE GREATER IMPACT. THE SECOND IS BASED UPON LEVEL OF IMPROVEMENT. SO IN THIS CASE, THE HIGHER THE BETTER, THE LOWER THE LEAST BENEFICIAL. SO I'LL GIVE YOU A SECOND TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BEFORE I GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. PROVIDED ON THIS IS A PROJECT WEBSITE AND OF COURSE ROB'S CONTACT. AGAIN WE HAVE ALTERNATIVES PUBLIC MEETING THIS WEEK. WE HAVE A VIRTUAL WE'LL BE ON MARCH 11TH AND THE IN-PERSON IS ON MARCH 12TH. THE SAME INFORMATION WILL BE PRESENTED AT BOTH, SO THERE'S NO NEED TO TO ATTEND BOTH IF YOU WANT TO. YOU CERTAINLY CAN. AND WITH THAT, THAT IS OUR LAST SLIDE. SO VICE MAYOR AND I SIT ON THE MPO. WE'VE WE'VE BEEN EXPOSED TO THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THIS IN HERE, BUT THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO FDOT, YOU KNOW, AND IF I CAN CHARACTERIZE WHICH IS HARD, THE ENTIRE MPOS OPINION GENERALLY. THE THIRD OPTION WAS THE MOST DESIRABLE AND HAD THE LEAST IMPACT SPECIFICALLY ON, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOODS GOING ON PALM BEACH ROAD AND THAT KIND OF THING. BUT THIS WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY, BASED ON WHAT YOU GUYS THINK, THAT AREN'T ON THE MPO, TO GIVE SOME FEEDBACK. FDOT, THE DO YOU MIND YOU MIND BRINGING THOSE OPTIONS BACK UP FOR OUR COMMISSION ON THE MATRIX ON THE DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE MATRIX, THE ACTUAL MAPS OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING? MAYBE. SO THAT'S THE THIRD. SO THAT OPTION IS THE ONE TO THE SOUTH. AND THEN CAN YOU SHOW ONE AND TWO. AND THEN THIS IS SEE HOW THAT CUTS TO PALM BEACH ALTERNATIVE TWO. THAT'S ALTERNATIVE. THAT WAS THAT WAS BONNIE'S FAVORITE. RIGHT. WHERE YOU GOT BONNIE RIGHT THERE. THERE YOU GO. AND THEN THERE YOU GO. SO YOU CAN SEE THE THREE. SO THERE YOU CAN SEE ALL THREE OF THEM RIGHT THROUGH MY AREA. RIGHT. YOU JUST EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TIER ONE AND TIER TWO CONCEPT. IT'S SO A TIER ONE WAS WE DID DESKTOP ANALYSIS. SO WE HAD A TOTAL OF TEN THAT WE LOOKED AT. AND WHEN WE'RE SAYING DESKTOP SO YOU'RE USING GIS TO SEE LIKE ARE THERE ANY WETLANDS AM I HITTING. IS THERE ANY KNOWN LIKE EAGLES NESTS NEARBY. AND THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND JUST GETTING AN IDEA. HOW MANY PARCELS DOES IT LOOK LIKE I'M ENCROACHING UPON. AND SO WE DO THAT FIRST LEVEL AND THEN NARROWED IT DOWN TO THE, THE THREE. AND WE ACTUALLY HAD A SLIGHTLY WELL OUR ORIGINAL. CONCEPT THREE IS SHOWN HERE. SO YOU NOTICE HOW MUCH TIGHTER WE ARE CLOSER TO THE AIRPORT. BUT WHEN WE MET WITH FAA, FAA SAID WE COULD NOT HAVE THIS

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AND THEN LOOKING AT THAT BECAUSE OF THAT CURVE, WE SAID, OKAY, WELL, IS THERE ANOTHER WAY WE CAN TIE IN? SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALT ONE AND ALT TWO. IT'S REALLY JUST THAT ACCESS ROAD COMING AROUND. AND SO FOR FORGIVE ME, CAN I ASK A QUESTION AND I'LL LET YOU GO FOR ALT ONE AND ALL TWO. THOSE ARE BOTH OVERPASSES CORRECT? YES. WE'RE NOT GOING UNDER. WE'RE GOING THIS IS AN OVERPASS AND THIS IS THE OVERPASS FEASIBLE. SO THEN THAT'S THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE SURFACES AND SLOPES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT RUNWAY. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PROFILE DOESN'T CAUSE A SIGNIFICANT HAZARD TO THE, TO THE AIRPLANES COMING IN. BUT WE ARE REQUIRED TO BE 23.5FT ABOVE THE RAILROAD TRACKS. SO THAT MEANS THE LOWEST MEMBER OF MY STRUCTURE HAS TO BE 23.5FT ABOVE THE TRACK. AND WE ALSO HAVE AN OVERPASS IN ALT THREE, BUT IT'S A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN, CORRECT? YEAH. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND PUTTING A POINT ON. SO THE OVERPASS WOULD BE HERE. WE ALSO HAVE TO CROSS THAT SPUR. WHERE WOULD IT TOUCH DOWN. WHERE'S THE OVERPASS. SO THE OVERPASS IS RIGHT HERE. AND THE ENTIRE THAT ENTIRE A-1-A WOULD BE RAISED UP. RIGHT? CORRECT. TO TO MATCH WITH THAT OVERPASS. AND THIS IS WHY I HAD OFFERED THE RECOMMENDATION OF POTENTIALLY GOING UNDER THERE TO NOT HAVE TO RAISE UP ALL OF A-1-A. AND, AND I THINK GENERALLY PEOPLE HERE WOULD BE UNHAPPY WITH A GRADE SEPARATION, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S THE NATURE OF THIS PROJECT. SO TRYING TO HAVE THAT BE AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE SO WE DON'T HAVE BRIDGES OR UNDERPASSES WAS WAS MY FEEDBACK, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PUT UP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD CALL ALTERNATIVE THREE. RIGHT. THAT 1.2. SO THIS IS THE 103 THE OLD. THAT WOULD BE. YEAH. SO THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAS THE OVERPASS. THE THE OVERPASS IS THERE. AND THEN OF COURSE WE'RE GOING WE HAVE TO GO OVER THAT SPUR BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET DOWN IN TIME FOR THE SPUR. BUT WE'RE ALSO HOW FAR DOES IT TOUCH. WHERE DOES IT TOUCH DOWN ON THE NORTHERN SIDE HERE. GET UP TO THE Y. ALMOST RIGHT HERE. IT'S ABOUT 1000FT. YEAH. BOTH SIDES RIGHT.

TOUCHES DOWN ABOUT 1000FT. YEAH. SO SO WE'RE WE'RE DOWN. YOU KNOW THERE'S THIS THERE'S ANOTHER RUNWAY THAT IS A A SECONDARY RUNWAY. SO TALKING TO THE AIRPORT THEY WERE FINE. AND WE'RE, WE'RE WE ARE MUCH LOWER HERE COMPARED TO THAT RUNWAY THAN WE ARE ON ALT ONE OR ALT TWO. I CAN FEEL PEOPLE SHARPENING THEIR PITCHFORKS. YEAH. COMMISSIONER CLARK AND THEN YES, THE NUMBER OF LANES PER SEGMENT IS EVERYTHING, MOSTLY TWO LANES. AND JUST WHERE WE HAVE THE EXISTING DIVIDED. WELL, IT'S NOT EVEN REALLY. YEAH. I GUESS THERE'S DIVIDED ALONG MONTEREY ROAD BUT IT'S STILL TWO LANE. EVERYTHING IS STILL TWO LANES. OR WILL THE EXTENSION COMING IN BE MORE THAN TWO LANES AT MONTEREY EXTENSION. SO FOUR LANE DIVIDED AT MONTEREY EXTENSION COMING IN OKAY. YEAH THAT'S THAT'S FINE. ALRIGHT. AND ONE REASON WHY THIS WHY YOU SEE THOSE LEVEL OF SERVICES CHANGE BETWEEN ONE AND ALT TWO VERSUS ALT THREE IS YOU BASICALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO KIND OF SPLIT TRAFFIC BECAUSE THIS IS STILL BEING MAINTAINED WHILE THIS IS STILL BEING MAINTAINED. SO YOU'LL HAVE THOSE WHO WILL STILL WANT TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE STOPPED BY THE TRAIN IN THIS CONCEPT VERSUS THIS ONE WHERE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO GO, YOU WOULDN'T BE STOPPED BY THE TRAIN BECAUSE YOU'D BE GOING UP AND OVER. NOW, IF WE LOOKED AT AN AT GRADE, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD CHANGE. OKAY. AND I HAVE A RAILROAD SPUR QUESTION. SO THE THAT ORANGE THING THERE THAT GOES RIGHT INTO THE DYER IS THAT CHANGE IN THE LOCATION OF THE SPUR FOR THE NORTH, OR IS THAT IN THE SAME IT'S THE SAME LOCATION. RAILWAY SPUR WILL STAY THE SAME.

YEAH, YEAH. FOR THE RECORD, FOR THE RECORD I'M ULA CLARK, 1008 SOUTHEAST 16TH COURT. MIDDLE OF

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YES, YES, OKAY. IT WILL GO THROUGH AND DO A RIGHT OF WAY ESTIMATE FOR HOW WE'RE IMPACTING THOSE INDIVIDUALS. AND CAN YOU TELL THE PUBLIC YOUR INFORMATION FOR THIS WEEK? I KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A ONLINE HEARING AND THEN AN IN-PERSON HEARING. CAN YOU JUST TELL US THAT INFORMATION, PLEASE? YEAH. SO OUR OUR VIRTUAL IS ON WEDNESDAY AND IT WILL START AT 530. IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE YOU CAN LOG IN AND REGISTER FOR IT. OR YOU CAN SHOW UP IN PERSON, WHICH WILL BE ON THURSDAY. THAT WILL BE AT 6:00 AND IT'S AT THE 10TH STREET COMMUNITY CENTER. AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN RECEIVING THE THE INFORMATION. YES. IT WAS MAILED TO THE RESIDENTS. YES, YES. WE'RE ALSO PLACING SOME YARD SIGNS. THE MPO HAD REQUESTED THAT THERE BE SOME ADDITIONAL OUTREACH. ALONG LAND OWNERSHIP THIS AREA. SO WE WILL HAVE SOME YARD SIGNS OUT AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE INFORMED. BECAUSE THEY'RE RENTERS IN THERE. THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY YES, LANDOWNERS. AND YOU'RE SENDING IT TO ADDRESSES, RIGHT? WE SEND IT BOTH TO WHO'S OCCUPYING THE PROPERTY AND THE OWNER. OKAY, OKAY. AND WHEN YOU DO THAT PRESENTATION, REALLY CLEARLY ARTICULATING POTENTIALLY EVEN VISUALLY WHAT THAT BRIDGE MIGHT LOOK LIKE WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT. THE TEMPTATION MAY BE TO KEEP THIS VERY TECHNICAL LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, BUT FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO LIVES HERE, SHOWING THEM VISUALLY THAT THEY WOULD BE 1000 FOOT BRIDGE, I THINK YOU MAY GET A VERY DIFFERENT RESPONSE. AND AND THAT'S THAT WOULD BE MY FEEDBACK IS, ARE YOU AT THAT STAGE FOR THIS THURSDAY, THOUGH, TO HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IF THAT THIRD OPTION, BE IT AT GRADE OR GRADE, SEPARATED THOSE TWO BECOMES THE FINAL ALTERNATIVE. AT THE FINAL PUBLIC MEETING, WE WILL HAVE A VISUAL. SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN HERE BECAUSE THIS THIS HAS TO GET FIXED. IF YOU CAN SHOW US SOMETHING THAT ANOTHER COMMUNITY OR SOMEBODY HAS THAT SHOWS WHAT A SIMILAR AT GRADE TYPE THING OR AN OVERPASS TYPE THING LOOKS LIKE. SO PEOPLE CAN REALLY SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE HAVE THIS FLYOVER. YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD TELL YOU, JUST GO TO THE RIVER RIGHT HERE, RIGHT WHERE THE FOR THE BRIDGE. YEAH. YEAH. IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR.

YEAH. IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WE THOUGHT THAT WAS NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE BUT IT HAPPENED.

YEAH. IT WAS TOUGH GETTING THE ROOSEVELT BRIDGE THROUGH. BUT THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST AT GRADE CROSSING OF MARTIN COUNTY. RIGHT. BESIDES BRIDGES OVER THE RIVER, THE FIRST BRIDGE CROSSING. YEAH. YEAH, THIS THIS WAS THE TOP PRIORITY LIST OF MULTIPLE GRADE CROSSINGS FOR.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST ONE THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN. BUT MY HOPE IT'S WITHOUT A GRADE CROSSING THAT YOU GUYS CAN DO SOME WIZARDRY TO. SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN. SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN. YES. VICE MAYOR, FORGIVE ME. THE SIGNALIZATION AT US ONE AND MONTEREY ROAD THERE AT THE SHOPPING CENTER. LIKE WHERE THE PLAZA IS WITH THE. WHAT'S THE

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YOU'RE TAKING TAXPAYER MONEY AND YOU'RE STILL DICTATING WHAT WE DO WITH IT. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND NOTHING AGAINST YOU GUYS. I APPRECIATE WHAT THE MPO DOES. I SEE RICARDO BACK THERE, YOU GUYS AND DOTTIE, THEY ALWAYS HAVE GOOD PRESENTATIONS, BUT THEY ALWAYS HAVE THEIR WALLET OPEN AS WELL. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S MY COMMENTS ON IT COMMISSIONER. SO THAT SO THAT AS ROB HAD MENTIONED. SO IT'S JUST ONE THING WE HAVE NOT TALKED FEC OF WHAT THEY WOULD BE LOOKING FOR IF ALTERNATIVE THREE WAS AT GRADE VERSUS AN OVERPASS. SO THEY COULD SAY YOU'RE THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL IMPACT THEY MAY WANT. YOU KNOW

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THEY'RE HERE FOR OUR FEEDBACK AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, FEC, WE ALL MIGHT HAVE BONES TO PICK WITH FEC, RIGHT. WITH THESE WITH THESE GUYS IN FRONT OF OH, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. I'M TALKING ABOUT FEC SHOWING UP FOR. YEAH OKAY. THAT WAS MY BUT WITH REGARD TO FEEDBACK ON THESE ALTERNATIVES, IS THERE MORE IDEAS OR INPUT BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE SEEN THAT YOU THINK IS WORTH SHARING WITH FDOT? YEAH, THERE WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THE OVERPASS AGAIN, BUT I GOT CAUGHT UP IN WHAT THE VICE MAYOR WAS SAYING TAX DOLLARS. THAT ALWAYS MAKES ME CRAZY. SORRY. IF I THINK OF IT. I'LL INTERRUPT AGAIN. YEAH, AND MY COMMENTS WEREN'T DIRECTED TOWARDS THE MPO OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BY THE WAY. LIKE IT'S JUST AN IRK OF MINE TOWARDS FEC AND JUST THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY RECEIVE. IT'S INSANE. IT REALLY IS. AND IT HURTS JUST SEEING IT BLOW OUT LIKE IT'S NOTHING. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER RICH? I LOOK FORWARD TO ATTENDING THE PUBLIC MEETING ON THURSDAY. OKAY, MR. CLARK, I DO KNOW YOU GOT ONE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. IT WAS GOING BACK TO THE VISUAL. THE VISUAL OF THAT OVERPASS. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WORK ALL DAY. THEY HAVE TO PICK UP CHILDREN AFTER SCHOOL. IT'S NOT SO EASY FOR THEM TO JUST SAY, WELL, I'M GOING TO GO OVER AND LOOK AT WHAT THE BRIDGE LOOKS LIKE, AND THAT IS OVER WATER. I THINK EVEN IF YOU TAKE A PICTURE OF WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE, IT SHOULD BE PART OF THAT PRESENTATION. I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE NOT USED TO LOOKING OR READING THESE TYPE OF GRAPHS, SO I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT. YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC THERE. THEY NEED TO SEE WHAT THAT OPTION IS. OKAY. THANK YOU.

WE WANT YOU GUYS TO TAKE THE BEATING SO WE DON'T HAVE TO OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS. THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU AND TAKING INPUT FROM US. ALL RIGHT.

[COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS ]

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. YES. HI. AS ALWAYS, I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR SHOWING UP. IT'S REALLY GREAT TO SEE THE AUDIENCE AND EVERYONE FILLED IN INVOLVED. I DO WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY. I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE, BUT FEBRUARY 20TH 4TH OF MARCH THIRD, THE COMMISSIONERS SAT WITH APPLICANTS FOR THE CITY MANAGER POSITION, AND I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK ROSS JOHNSON, KAREN GUFFEY, MARY KENDALL, SUSAN MALECKI AND NINA MULLEN. BECAUSE WITHOUT THOSE LADIES, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPOSSIBLE. IT WENT SMOOTHLY. THEY MOVED PEOPLE FROM ROOM TO ROOM, KEPT THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE APPLICANTS ALL WHERE THEY NEEDED TO BE, AND I WANT TO THANK THEM. YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU MADE IT A ENJOYABLE AND SMOOTH TRANSITION INTO EACH INTERVIEW. THANK YOU. I WANT TO THANK IS JIM IN THE OFFICE? I WANT TO THANK JIM. HE ALWAYS KEEPS US UPDATED ON ALL OF THE PENDING LEGISLATION, THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. I ASK EVERYONE TO PLEASE GO TO THESE WEBSITES AND LOOK AT THE LEGISLATION THAT'S OUT THERE.

EVERY OTHER PIECE OF LEGISLATION IS BASICALLY TAKING AWAY OUR HOME RULE AND WE NEED TO MAKE CALLS. IT TAKES A FEW SECONDS, MAKE THE CALL. MOST OF THOSE SITES WILL EVEN GIVE YOU THE LANGUAGE TO SAY TO THE REPRESENTATIVE. IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH OF YOUR TIME, BUT IT REALLY IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT IMPACTS HERE BACK IN THE CITY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO RUN AS THE RESIDENTS, NOT LETTING TALLAHASSEE RUN IT FOR US. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CLARK.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I TOO, WANT TO THANK THE STAFF AND AND THE APPLICANTS FOR. PUTTING IN THEIR THEIR INFORMATION TO US SO THAT WE CAN REVIEW. IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING EXERCISE LOOKING AT THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW, 12 TO 14 PEOPLE. I THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE DROPPED OUT IN

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WHEN THAT COMES UP BEFORE US, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THIS NOW SO THAT MAYBE WHEN IT'S CALLED, THE MAYOR CAN LOOK INTO IT. THERE IS A THERE'S A NOTE ON THERE THAT SAYS APPROVAL OF THE SCREENING COMMITTEE WITH REGARD TO THE CITY MANAGER'S POSITION. AND I WAS WONDERING AND I DID TALK TO THE CLERK EARLIER, IF THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PUT FOR OUR. I GUESS I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IT'S JUST FOR OUR INFORMATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT A MEETING MINUTES THAT WE PARTICIPATED IN. SO I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT SURE HOW CITY MANAGER OR THE CLERK WILL PRESENT THAT, BUT I WAS JUST I SAW THAT IN THE LIST OF TWO, TWO OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO APPROVE AND I AND SINCE IT'S RELATED TO THE CITY MANAGER SCREENING, I THOUGHT WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THAT. AND THE OTHER THING IS, ON OUR. APPROVAL PROCESS, WHEN WE HAVE LAND USE CHANGES, ESPECIALLY IN QUASI JUDICIAL ACTIVITIES. THERE, I'VE JUST LOOKED AT SO MANY DIFFERENT VIDEOS AND DIFFERENT WAYS THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES DO THINGS. IT'S SIMILAR TO US, BUT NOT QUITE, AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO HAVE CONTACT OR COMMUNICATION WITH ANYBODY, THAT WE DO SAY THAT WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THEM, THAT IT'S THERE, IT'S IN THE FILE, OR WE'VE GONE TO THE SITE OR WE'VE NOT GONE TO THE SITE OR WHO WE'VE TALKED TO. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC LIST AND IT'S THERE, BUT WE JUST DON'T FOLLOW IT AND SAY IT ALL THE TIME. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WE HAVE THESE FINDINGS AND IF A LAWSUIT OR SOMETHING COMES UP, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THAT IS ON THE RECORD. SO I THINK THAT IF WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO UPGRADE THAT METHODOLOGY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL FOLLOW THE SAME METHODOLOGY, THEN THAT'S THAT'S IMPORTANT. OTHER THAN THAT, I APPRECIATE JIM CROSSKEY ALWAYS SENDING OUT THE NOTICES. I NOTICED THAT THERE ARE A FEW THINGS IN MARCH THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED, BUT MAYBE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T CITY GENERATED, BUT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN MORE THINGS. I DIDN'T SEE THE HISTORIC THE MEETINGS THAT'S COMING UP THIS WEEK. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE MEETING ON THE 12TH. IS IT ON THE 12TH AND THEN THE ONE ON THE 11TH? I DIDN'T SEE THOSE ON THE MARCH CALENDAR FOR THE FOR THE CITY. SO MAYBE IF THOSE COULD GET PUT IN AND PUT IN ON THE 10TH STREET BOARD AS WELL AS PUT IN IN THE THE RUNNING BOARD BOARD THAT RUNS OUTSIDE HERE, BUT ESPECIALLY ON THE 10TH STREET BOARD. WE NEED TO PUT ON BOTH OF THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE 11TH AND THE 12TH, AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY RUN ON THE MARQUEE ON 10TH STREET. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. YES, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT I RAISED THIS QUESTION AT THE MPO BOARD. IT WAS BASICALLY WE'RE LIKE A PASS THROUGH CITY, APPARENTLY FOR SAINT LUCIE COUNTY AND PALM BEACH COUNTY. AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE THE ONLY CITY OR COUNTY THAT DEALS WITH TRAFFIC.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A WAY. I MENTIONED IT THERE AND NOBODY REALLY PICKED IT UP. BUT IS THERE A WAY TO LIKE, ADDRESS THIS, AND HOW DO WE FIX IT FOR THE RESIDENTS THEN IF PEOPLE ARE JUST PASSING THROUGH AND THAT'S WHERE OUR TRAFFIC IS COMING FROM, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT TO ALLEVIATE IT THEN AND THEN AS FAR AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC BY 10TH STREET, I STILL THINK IT'S WHAT HAS IT BEEN A YEAR AND A HALF SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE? I'VE TALKED WITH BONNIE MOSER. I SPOKE TO HER EARLIER TODAY ABOUT IT. MONEY GETS SPENT IN OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY FOR SAFETY AND TRAFFIC. I STILL THINK IT'S A CITY WIDE ISSUE, AND I THINK WE SHOULD THROW SOME MONEY AT SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, WHETHER IT'S THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IN PARTICULAR OR THE ENTIRE CITY. BUT IT'D BE NICE. AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME CHEAPER ALTERNATIVES THAT BONNIE HAS PRESENTED. SO WE'RE NOT SPENDING MILLIONS. THAT WAS PORTRAYED AT PRIOR MEETINGS. ALSO, IF WE COULD GET AN UPDATE FROM THE CITY OF STUART IF THEY COULD REACH OUT TO BUSINESS FLAIR AND AN UPDATE REGARDING THE INNOVATION HUB AND WHAT THE CITY OF STUART'S RESPONSIBILITY IS, SINCE WE DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF PROPERTY OVER OFF COMMERCE AND INDIAN STREET. AND I THINK THAT'S IT. YEAH. GOOD. OKAY, SO I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF

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AND THIS IS MORE FOR CHIEF. THERE WERE CONCERNS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD SEEN THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT JUST I DON'T KNOW IF IT JUST WENT TO ME OR WHAT TO EVERYBODY. BUT THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE WAY THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE ON FIFTH STREET. SO I WAS JUST GOING TO HAND THIS TO YOU IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT. BUT BUT THERE WERE CONCERNS. THAT I WANT YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND SAY IT IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY WHILE WHILE YOU'RE HERE, I KNOW YOU'RE THE MAN AND YOU GOT IT COVERED. THE OTHER WAS AND I'VE TALKED TO LEE ABOUT THIS IS THE BASEBALL FIELDS. I, I, I THINK I'VE MENTIONED THIS IN THE PAST, BUT AND I THINK WE MENTIONED IT IN OUR ONE ON ONE MEETINGS, BUT MAKING SURE THAT IF THERE WAS EVER TO BE ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THE BASEBALL FIELDS, THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO REFERENDUM IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. MY CONCERNS WHERE THIS IS STEMMING FROM IS RELATED TO BRIGHTLINE WITHIN THE MPO, AND ONLY VICE MAYOR AND I WOULD REALLY BE PRIVY TO THIS IN THE LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. AS IT WAS JUST UPDATED. IT IT INCLUDES A TRANSPORTATION HUB, WHICH IS SOMETHING LIKE A BUS DEPOT.

UBERS, YOU KNOW, AND AND WITHIN THE LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, IT NEEDS TO BE NEXT TO THE BRIGHT LINE STATION. AND SO MY CONCERNS WOULD BE THAT SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHO GETS SEATED IN HERE OR, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE BASEBALL FIELDS COULD TURN INTO THAT. SO, SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND I, I BELIEVE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE ONE ON ONE ON ONE MEETINGS. AND THERE WAS CONSENSUS FROM YOU ALL IS THAT THE BASEBALL FIELDS WOULD HAVE TO GO TO REFERENDUM IN ORDER TO BE DEVELOPED, THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE THAT SO THAT THE PUBLIC COULD MAKE THAT DECISION AND NOT THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME. AND IN TALKING TO LEE, HIS HIS RECOMMENDATION AND FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN, BUT WAS THAT IT WOULD NEED TO GO TO REFERENDUM IN ORDER FOR IT TO NEED TO GO TO REFERENDUM IN THE FUTURE. SO IF THERE WAS CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD, AND I THINK THERE ALREADY WAS, BUT MAYBE HEAD NODS OR, YOU KNOW, MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION SO THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ON THE BALLOT IN AUGUST. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? WHEN'S THE DEADLINE FOR THIS? I REMEMBER IT WAS TALKED ABOUT LAST 70 DAYS BEFORE MID-JUNE AT THE. YEAH AT THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS. SHE NEEDS. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE IT COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION BY RESOLUTION WITH PROPOSED LANGUAGE FOR BALLOT LANGUAGE. I SUPPORT IT. IF WE CAN PRESERVE THE BASEBALL FIELDS. AND I SUPPORTED IT ALSO, MY PROBLEM IS ALWAYS THAT THE WHEELS IN ANY GOVERNMENT MOVES TOO SLOWLY. I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CORRECTING TRAFFIC SITUATION. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS I WANT TO KNOW IS WHEN DO WE PUT DOWN THE HAMMER? WHEN DO WE SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER THE INFORMATION THAT HAS TO GO OUT FOR REFERENDUM. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.

AND I KNOW WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF HIRING A CITY MANAGER, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT THESE THINGS NEED TO BE PUT IN. WE CAN VOTE ON THEM AND THEY MOVE FORWARD. SO SO MY CONSENSUS IS, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD WITHOUT ANOTHER. I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

IF YOU AGENDA IF IF YOU WISH TO MAKE A DECISION IT IT NEEDS TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM. AND THEN WE CAN YOU KNOW, THOSE OF US WHO WISH TO SPEAK TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PRIOR TO THAT ISSUE, I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY TO CONSIDER. SO WITH THREE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, DO YOU MIND STARTING THAT PROCESS OF ULTIMATELY IT WOULD COME IN FRONT OF US? YEAH, RIGHT. FOR APPROVAL. BUT DO YOU MIND STARTING THAT PROCESS THEN? PERFECT. THANK YOU SIR. PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. YEP. AND LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST THIS THURSDAY. I KNOW EVERYBODY'S PLANNING ON BEING THERE. YOU

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[COMMENTS BY CITY MANAGER ]

AND ANDY WAS AN OFFICER IN MUNICH FOR SIX YEARS. SO THEY FOUND HIM HERE AND CAME AND FILMED AND TRAVELED WITH HIM. SO THAT WILL BE AIRED. CHIEF ZANINOVIC WILL BE LOOKING AT ALL THE FOOTAGE AND APPROVING BEFORE IT GOES OUT. SO VERY EXCITED FOR ANDY AND FOR THE CITY IN THAT REGARD. ALSO IN FINANCE. QUICK UPDATE WE DID HIRE OUR DIRECTOR AND A SENIOR ACCOUNTANT. THEY SHOULD BE HERE BY THE END OF THE MONTH. THEY'RE SCHEDULED. THE AUDIT IS UNDERWAY, PROCESSES ARE FLOWING AND THINGS SEEM TO BE GOING VERY WELL. AND I'M REALLY PROUD OF THE STAFF FOR CONTINUING THE JOURNEY AND MAKING THEIR WAY. SOME QUICK CITY HIGHLIGHTS.

SATURDAY, MARCH 1ST THE SAILFISH SPRINT WITH ANOTHER VERY SUCCESSFUL EVENT. MORE THAN 200 PARTICIPANTS. THAT WAS AN EXCITING THING FOR THE CITY. AND THEN RIGHT AFTER THAT SUNDAY, MARCH 2ND, THE TREASURE COAST MARATHON TOOK PLACE, WHICH HAD OVER 1100 PARTICIPANTS. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A BOSTON MARATHON QUALIFYING EVENT TO BE HELD HERE IN OUR CITY IS A PRETTY NEAT EXPERIENCE, SO KUDOS TO POLICE AND PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES AND COMMUNITY SERVICES AND ALL OF FIRE AND EVERYONE WHO KEPT EVERYONE SAFE AND EVERYTHING FLOWING WELL. WE HAD THE KIWANIS PANCAKE BREAKFAST THIS PAST SATURDAY, WHICH WAS A TERRIFIC TURNOUT, VERY FAMILY FRIENDLY AND VERY WELL ATTENDED. AND WEATHER ACCOMMODATED US, WHICH WAS GREAT. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THIS SATURDAY, MARCH 14TH, THE GRAND OPENING OF THE AMPHITHEATER IS HAPPENING, SO WE REALLY HOPE YOU'LL BE THERE.

RIBBON CUTTING AND SOME PRESENTATIONS SO YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS IT. THERE'S LOTS GOING ON. 1030 10:30 A.M. AND THEN THERE WILL BE A BLUES FESTIVAL RIGHT AFTER THE RIBBON CUTTING.

SO YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THAT. AND THAT'S ALL I HAD. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR US. YES. AS LONG AS WE CATCH UP WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND THE SENIOR ACCOUNTANT, WE WON'T LOSE OUR RATINGS OR ANYTHING. ALL THE GAP RATING AND ALL THAT, EVERYTHING WILL BE CAUGHT BACK UP AND WE'LL BE IN LINE TO MAINTAIN. THAT'S THE PLAN. EVERYTHING IS IN MOTION. I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT. CONTACT WITH THE AUDITORS. THEY'RE VERY PLEASED THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO HOPEFULLY EXCEED THE DEADLINE OF JUNE 30TH. SO WE'RE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO KEEP EVERYTHING FLOWING AS NORMAL. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

[APPROVAL OF AGENDA ]

[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (Non-Agenda Related) (3 Minutes Max.) ]

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OCTOBER 13TH, 2009. THE CITY SIGNED A DEMOLITION CONTRACT ON MY PROPERTY. ON THAT EXACT SAME DAY, THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER WHO WOULD BENEFIT FILED INCORPORATED HIS COMPANY. THAT WAS 60 DAYS BEFORE THE SO-CALLED EMERGENCY HEARING. THAT IS NOT COINCIDENCE. THAT IS PREMEDITATION. IT IS SITTING IN THE PUBLIC RECORD FOR ANYONE TO IDENTIFY. ON DECEMBER 6TH, 2009, CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUED A LETTER CONFIRMING MY PROPERTY WAS IN COMPLIANCE.

FIVE DAYS LATER, THE COPS STATE SANCTIONED ARMED FORCE AND LED DEMOLITION. THE OCTOBER 13TH, TWO MONTHS PREVIOUS CONTRACT TOTALLY RAISED MY PROPERTY WITH MORE AND PICK UP DEBRIS ORDER.

THEY REMOVED 62 TONS OF VEGETATION BREAKING MY PROPERTY. THAT COMPLIANCE LETTER WAS WITHHELD FROM THE COURT, AND JUDGE SIGNED AN ORDER FORCING MY FAMILY OFF OUR LAND. THE ATTORNEY WHO SIGNED THAT ORDER WHO HELPED DO THAT, IS NOW CITY JUDGE IN TALLAHASSEE. THE CITY MANAGER WHO ORCHESTRATED IT RECENTLY FIRED FROM THE CITY UNDER LESS THAN HONORABLE CIRCUMSTANCES, IS NOW SITTING AS AN ADMINISTRATOR AT THE MARTIN COUNTY COURTHOUSE ACROSS THE STREET. BASICALLY, VICE MAYOR REED, AT YOUR LAST MEETING, YOU SAID PUBLICLY THAT YOU DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THESE LEGACY CASES. YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD EXACTLY WHAT TO DO REPEATEDLY IN WRITING IN THIS ROOM BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE, INCLUDING ONE OF YOUR OWN COMMISSIONERS. 13 DAYS AGO, UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT RECEIVED MY THIRD PETITION. I HAVE THE SIGNED RETURN RECEIPT. LAST WEEK, THE FBI AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAVE BEEN RECEIVED CERTIFIED COMPLAINT LETTERS ABOUT THIS MATTER. THIS COMMISSION NOW HAS ONE REMAINING OPPORTUNITY TO GET AHEAD OF THIS BEFORE FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS DO IT FOR YOU. I AM ASKING THIS COMMISSION FORMALLY ON THE PUBLIC RECORD TONIGHT TO VOTE TO AUTHORIZE AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY INVESTIGATION INTO THE ALLEGATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED BEFORE YOU. YOUR SILENCE IS NO LONGER PASSIVE AS A CHOICE, AND THAT CHOICE IS NOW PART OF THE FEDERAL RECORD. YOU HAVE TO ASK YOU POINT BLANK, WHY ARE YOU REGISTERED TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION? WHAT IS IT YOU'RE TRYING TO HIDE OR WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF? MR. CITY COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT, I HAVE DEREK PETERSON. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS DEREK PETERSON. EXCUSE ME, DEREK PETERSON. I LIVE AT 518 SOUTHWEST CALIFORNIA AVENUE HERE IN STUART. THANK YOU MAYOR. APPRECIATE IT. I KNOW YOU'RE ADDRESSING THIS. I JUST FEEL I NEED TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD. I'M HERE TO ASK FOR HELP ADDRESSING THE SPEEDING PROBLEM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND SOUTHWEST CALIFORNIA AVENUE, FIFTH STREET AND SOUTHWEST SIXTH STREET. AKRON. THAT AREA OF OF OLD POTSDAM. FRAZIER CREEK, THE STREET IN FRONT OF MY HOME, IS ONLY 14FT, ONE INCH WIDE. THE VEHICLES ARE PARKED ON BOTH SIDES, CREATES EXTREMELY LIMITED VISIBILITY FOR BOTH DRIVERS AND PEDESTRIANS. OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY ACTIVE WITH RESIDENTS, CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN, PEOPLE WALKING THEIR DOGS DAILY. PEOPLE ARE OUT ALL THE TIME. UNFORTUNATELY, THE VEHICLES THAT FREQUENTLY TRAVEL TOO FAST IN THE CONDITIONS FOR THESE NARROW STREETS. VICE MAYOR MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT A LOT OF RESIDENTS FROM OUT OF AREA ARE COMING THROUGH OUR CITY. I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY. THE BIG PROBLEM, BIG PROBLEM I HAVE IS THERE'S NO SPEED LIMITS MARKING THESE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AT ALL. I WAS WALKING MY DOG OUTSIDE MY HOUSE AND HE WAS LITERALLY HIT RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, BUT WENT THANK GOD FOR THE VET

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I REALIZE THAT'S A TOUGH ASK AND ALSO CONDUCT THAT TRAFFIC MONITORING ON FIFTH STREET, SO ACCURATE DATA CAN BE COLLECTED WHERE THE HIGHEST TRAFFIC VOLUMES OCCUR. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, I APPRECIATE IT. I WAS LISTENING, OBVIOUSLY I WAS HERE THE WHOLE MEETING. CITRUS AVENUE OVERPASS IN FORT PIERCE. I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S A BRIDGE THAT MAYBE THEY COULD LOOK AT FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE ON MONTEREY, BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING. IT'S A IT'S A HIGH RISE BRIDGE. IT GOES OVER FEC TRACKS. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING I'M JUST I'M JUST GOING TO ADD THAT IN THERE. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. YEAH. FOR FOR CLARIFICATION TO DEREK I AGREE WITH YOU. I LIVE ON SIXTH STREET CAMDEN AND SIXTH. AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY COME OFF OF COLORADO AVENUE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO ALLEVIATE CONFUSION CORNER. AND THEY'RE SPEEDING TO AKRON. AND MOST OF THE TIME THEY ACTUALLY BLOW THROUGH THE STOP SIGN. THEY'RE ON AKRON. IT HAPPENED TO ME TODAY. I WAS COMING DOWN AKRON, TURNING EAST ON FIFTH, AND I ALMOST GOT T-BONED IN MY TRUCK GOING HOME. BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. AND THEY AVOID CONFUSION CORNER TO GET TO AKRON AND OCEAN SO THEY CAN HOP ONTO US. ONE. CORRECT.

AND THAT'S THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT THEY'RE DOING. INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC, THEY'RE COMING THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO BYPASS IT. AND THEY DO SPEED MAINLY ON FIFTH STREET. EVERY NOW AND THEN I'LL SEE SOMEONE ON SIXTH. THEY'LL BLOW THROUGH THE STOP SIGN AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY COME UP FAST AND I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX EVERYTHING. BUT HOPEFULLY BETWEEN BONNIE AND THE CITY, THEY CAN GO AFTER THE ISSUES BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU. I KIND OF DROVE THROUGH A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS TODAY, AND I'M NOTICING THAT THERE ISN'T ANY SPEED LIMIT SIGNS AT ALL. NOW, I KNOW I BELIEVE THERE'S A CITY ORDINANCE THAT SAYS RESIDENTIAL AREAS CAN BE 25, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT MARKS THAT FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO THE OUTSIDE. AND I BELIEVE THE STATE OF FLORIDA SPEED LIMIT IS 30 AND MY STREET IS 14FT WIDE. IT'S CRAZY NARROW, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE TO BE GOING THAT FAST. WELL, SO HOPEFULLY THEY'LL PICK IT UP. I KNOW IT WAS DONE IN 2023. I WASN'T ELECTED IN 2023. I KNOW YOU REACHED OUT IN 24, MAYBE AROUND SUMMER OR THIRD OR FOURTH QUARTER, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE AND IT'S COMING AROUND AGAIN. I KNOW YOU SENT A COMMENT, SO HOPEFULLY IT GETS ADDRESSED, JUST LIKE WITH BONNIE'S NEIGHBORHOOD AND STUFF AS WELL THIS TIME, RIGHT? YEAH, IT WAS GREAT THAT I HEARD THAT AND YOU GOT IT. THEN AGAIN, YOU REACHED OUT IN DECEMBER ALSO. YES. AND THERE'S THERE'S ALSO A COP THAT I MEAN, THE CHIEF WILL PROBABLY ATTEST TO IT. THEY'RE ALWAYS GETTING PEOPLE BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT LIGHT TURNS GREEN ON US1 AND THEY SPEED THROUGH THAT STOP SIGN, OR THEY DON'T EVEN NOTICE THE STOP SIGN.

OR THEY DO. ROLLING STOPS CONTINUALLY. OUR SECURITY CAMERAS HAVE CAUGHT ACCIDENTS THERE. I THINK ONE TIME THERE WAS A VEHICLE THAT WAS ALMOST ON SOMEONE'S FRONT PORCH. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ON OCEAN RIGHT ACROSS FROM FIRST BAPTIST. IT WAS LITERALLY IN THEIR FRONT YARD. THE VEHICLE AND I, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON ITS SIDE OR SOMETHING. IT GOT HIT AND IT PUSHED IT. I DON'T KNOW IF. YEAH, IT WAS IT WAS PROBABLY 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO. OKAY. SO YEAH, PROBABLY 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS THOUGH. PEOPLE ARE SPEEDING THROUGH THERE TRYING TO GET THE GREEN LIGHT. SO THAT'S IT. NEXT I HAVE LUIS BOGLIOLI.

LOUIS BOGLIOLI, 713 RIVERSIDE DRIVE. I HAVE TRIED TO LEAVE THE CITY ALONE, BUT APPARENTLY THE CITY WON'T LEAVE ME ALONE. THE COMMISSION HAS ALLOWED ME TO BE SMEARED AS WELL AS THEY AM. THEY ARE EVEN NOW ACTIVELY TRYING TO DISCREDIT ME. SO I'M HERE TO GIVE MY SIDE OF THE STORY. THEY PRAISED ME PUBLICLY UNTIL I SAID NO, AND THEN I HAD TO GO. THREE CITY MANAGERS HAVE SAID NO, BUT WE'RE THE PROBLEM. IN JANUARY, THURSDAY THE EIGHTH AND FRIDAY THE NINTH WERE MY BIGGEST NO'S. THEN MONDAY THE 12TH I WAS TOLD I WAS GOING TO BE REPLACED THAT NIGHT. IS THAT A COINCIDENCE? I STEPPED DOWN THE 26TH AND THE COORDINATED ATTACK STARTED THE NEXT MORNING, AND I MADE THE ONLY MOVE NOT EXPECTED. I RESIGNED WORKING

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THANK YOU. THANKS, CHARLIE. ALL RIGHT. GO FOR IT. I'M GOING TO TAKE A BREATH FIRST. BARBARA

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ARE TWO MORE DEVELOPMENTS. THEY GOT WHAT THEY WANTED TO. THEY NOW HAVE ON STREET PARKING. TRY TO GET AROUND AND GET ANY ACCIDENT AGAIN. THE DEVELOPER, THEY GET THEIR WAY. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. YEAH FOR CLARIFICATION THIS WAS FOR. SO CENTRAL PARKWAY WENT FROM A BUNCH OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND PRIOR ELECTED OFFICIALS REZONED IT TO MULTIFAMILY.

MYSELF WAS NOT ONE OF THEM. THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT SAT UP THERE DURING THAT TIME, BY THE WAY, AND VOTED YES ON IT. IT WAS TROY MCDONALD, BECKY BRUNER, MIKE MEYER, MERRITT MATHESON, CAMPBELL RICH, EULA CLARK AND THE ONLY PERSON THAT FOUGHT HARD AGAINST THOSE ZONING CHANGES WAS MAYOR COLLINS, BY THE WAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ON WHO YOUR REPRESENTATIVES WERE AT THE TIME THAT VOTED FOR THOSE. AND NOW WE'RE ADDRESSING ISSUES ON THE MPO BOARD. SO AT THE LAST, I THINK IT WAS THE LAST MEETING OF THE PRIOR MEETING. YOU HAVE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN A DEVELOPMENT THERE, AND THEY'RE PAYING FOR PARK ACCESS, AN EXTRA $200 PER MONTH, AND THEY WANT TO DO A MONITOR WILLOUGHBY ROAD EXTENSION THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT IF IT WAS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, BUT NOW IT AFFECTS MANY LIVES AND CENTRAL PARKWAY IS NOT FUN TO DRIVE DOWN ANYMORE. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. I TRY TO AVOID IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. IT'S NOT EVEN SAFE COMING OUT OF CENTRAL PARKWAY AND GOING SOUTHBOUND ON KANNER HIGHWAY. THAT IS A DEATH TRAP WAITING TO HAPPEN. IT'S A AND THIS IS WHY I RAN, BY THE WAY. AND AND IT IRKS ME WHEN I SIT UP HERE BECAUSE THE COMMENTS HURT, RIGHT? AND I WISH I WAS HERE PRIOR. I THINK IT'S NOT ONLY A CITY AND A COUNTY ISSUE, IT'S A STATE ISSUE AT THIS POINT, AND RESIDENTS ARE FIGHTING JUST TO BREATHE AND ENJOY THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE BECAUSE IT GETS TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM. EVERY TIME YOU HAVE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT VOTES FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE DEVELOPER WINS. YOUR VOICE DOESN'T MATTER AT CERTAIN TIMES, I FOUND OUT, AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHY I'M HERE NOW. SO HOPEFULLY THAT ADDRESSES YOUR COMMENTS FOR CLARIFICATION. THE FLASHING LIGHT. YOU RIGHT I AVOID CENTRAL PARKWAY. SO LET'S FIND OUT FROM THE CITY WHO DECIDED THAT IT WAS SO DANGEROUS THAT NOW WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS 24 SEVEN FLASHING LIGHT THAT SAYS ON STREET PARKING. NO. YOU GOT ANY ANSWERS? WAS THAT PART OF WHAT PUT YOU ON THE SPOT? WHAT WAS IT? WAS IT PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER OR DID THE CITY DO IT AFTER THE FACT? I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD KNOW. IT'S RECENT. THE LAST 30 DAYS. THE CITY OWNS CENTRAL PARKWAY, SO IT'S A CITY OWNED ROAD. SO THAT I'M ASSUMING WE MAINTAIN THAT LIGHT THEN OR. NO, WE DON'T MEAN WHY WAS IT DONE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER. GOTCHA. SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER THEN. SO ONCE AGAIN, YOUR PRIOR ELECTED OFFICIALS VOTED FOR THAT FLASHING LIGHT. IS THAT SOMETHING. AND THIS MIGHT BE FOR A FURTHER MEETING. BUT CAN WE ADDRESS THAT FLASHING LIGHT. WE EVEN THOUGH IT WAS PART OF I

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I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE IT DISCUSSED. I'M NOT EVEN SURE WE KNOW WHO PUT IT UP. SO I'M NOT ASKING TO AMEND AT THIS MOMENT. WHAT I'M ASKING IS MORE GENERALLY, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE IF IT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER TO DISCUSS IT, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A DAD ON IT. I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA, BUT COULD THAT BE ON THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE? WHAT'S THAT? DID THAT DAD BE ON THE NEXT? YEAH, WE CAN PUT IT ON THE NEXT MEETING.

WE GOTTA HAVE THAT DONE TOMORROW. BUT. OKAY, WE COULD JUST DO A DAD AND WE'LL TRY AND PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. I DON'T WE JUST DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO PUT THE. BY THE WAY, I'LL GO FURTHER ON THE I'LL GO FURTHER ON THE RECORD. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL TO MULTIFAMILY ZONING CHANGES? THERE WAS A COMMERCIAL TO MULTIFAMILY ZONING CHANGE THAT GOT APPROVED ON INDIAN STREET AND COMMERCE THAT GOT APPROVED. RIGHT. AND THEN YOU HAVE A PARCEL ACROSS THE STREET THAT DIDN'T GET APPROVED. AND THERE WERE PEOPLE ON THERE ON THE CITY BOARD AT THE TIME THEY RECEIVED CAMPAIGN MONEY, WHICH I GUESS THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. AND THAT ZONING CHANGE GOT DENIED, BY THE WAY. AND THEN YOU HAD ANOTHER RESIDENT THAT CAME IN AND BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY, AND THERE WAS A NEWS ARTICLE ABOUT IT WHERE THERE WAS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT SAID IT'D BE A GREAT SPOT FOR THAT BUSINESS AS WELL. I WASN'T UP HERE FOR THAT EITHER, BUT I WISH I WAS. ARE WE HAVING PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. MAYOR? I'M CONFUSED, I DO WHAT'S GOING ON NOW. WE JUST HAVE MAYOR MATHESON ADDRESSING IT. OH, PERFECT. YOU CAN ADDRESS THE CONCERNS. SINCE YOU VOTED FOR. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS MERRITT MATHESON. I LIVE AT 506 SOUTHWEST SOUTH CAROLINA DRIVE, STUART, FLORIDA. I KNOW YOU'VE ALL READ ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDERS, AND I'M JUST LAUGHING OVER THERE BECAUSE GENERALLY SPEAKING, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A MEETING RUN WHERE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT YOU DON'T ADDRESS THOSE INDIVIDUALLY. BUT TYPICALLY THE CUSTOM IS YOU LEARN SOME OF THE FACTS, TALK TO YOUR CITY MANAGER AND THEN GET BACK TO THE THE PUBLIC WHO'S COMMENTING. THAT MAKES THE MEETING RUN A LITTLE MORE SMOOTHLY. COMMISSIONER READ.

THANKS FOR POINTING ME OUT SPECIFICALLY ON ALL THE OTHER HISTORICAL COMMISSIONERS. I. I REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY THE DEVELOPMENT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF. I WAS THE ONLY COMMISSIONER TO VOTE AGAINST IT. I ALSO REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE THE DENSITY OF THE UNITS AND GOT A STORY REDUCED FROM ONE OF THE BUILDINGS. THE REASON THAT ON STREET PARKING IS THERE IS BECAUSE CENTRAL PARKWAY HAS ALWAYS HAS, HAS ALWAYS HAD A PROBLEM WITH SPEEDING. EVEN THOUGH I VOTED AGAINST IT, THAT ON STREET PARKING SLOWS TRAFFIC. I'M SURE YOU KNOW THAT FROM BEING A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MPO BOARD, THE DEVELOPER PAID FOR ALL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND I WOULD BET IS PAYING FOR THAT FLASHING SIGN, WHICH COULD EASILY BE AMENDED IF THE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT IT. BUT AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, I WAS THE ONLY COMMISSIONER TO VOTE AGAINST THE PROJECT AND I CAN PROMISE YOU THEY DIDN'T NEED THAT THAT PARKING TO TO REACH THEIR REQUIREMENTS, THAT PARKING WAS DONE FOR TRAFFIC CALMING. THAT'S NOT THE REASON I WANTED TO COME UP HERE. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT REFERENDUMS, BECAUSE PRESERVING SAILFISH BALL FIELDS IS A NOBLE CAUSE. HAVING HELPED WRITE TWO REFERENDUMS IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, ONE GIVING YOU CURRENT COMMISSIONERS FOUR YEAR TERM AND ADDING 12 YEAR TERM LIMITS TO IT, AND THE OTHER ONE BEING MARTIN COUNTY FOREVER, WHICH YOU HAPPEN TO BE DISCUSSING AND DELIBERATING MONEY FROM THAT REFERENDUM, HAVING WRITTEN BOTH THOSE ORDINANCES OR PARTAKEN IN IT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT CAUSE TO TO CONSIDER ANOTHER REFERENDUM PRESERVING CITY OF STEWART'S PARKS, BUT I WOULD CAUTION YOU NOT TO RUSH INTO IT. SINCE THIS IS BACK AND FORTH, CAN ANY COMMISSIONER TELL ME HOW MANY WORDS ARE ALLOWED TO BE ON A REFERENDUM? I'LL KEEP IT RHETORICAL. LET'S STICK TO ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. IT'S. IT'S 75, BUT THERE'S QUITE A FEW REQUIRED STATE WORDS IN THERE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE 75 TO WORK WITH. BUT IN THOSE LESS THAN 75 WORDS, YOU HAVE TO CONVINCE TO THE VOTERS IN ONE SHOT THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS RIGHT. IT'S A GREAT, NOBLE CAUSE. BUT BOTH REFERENDUMS I'VE WORKED ON TOOK YEARS OF PLANNING WITH RESEARCH GROUPS, WITH TALKING TO OTHERS AROUND THE COMMUNITY. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH ONE OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY ON THIS NOBLE CAUSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION, MERRITT. I JUST WANTED TO APOLOGIZE. IF YOU WEREN'T THE YES ON THERE. AND

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THANKS. I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS, MAYOR OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS FUN. DO WE HAVE

[APPROVAL OF CONSENT CALENDAR ]

THAT WAS A SCRIVENER'S ERROR. IT SHOULD BE ACCEPT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE MINUTES AND APPROVE THE OTHERS. OKAY. MOVE. APPROVAL. APOLOGIES. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL VICE MAYOR REED? YES, COMMISSIONER. RICH.

YES, COMMISSIONER. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLERK. YES. MAYOR. COLLINS. YES. MOVING ON TO ITEM

[7. SELECT CITY MANAGER FINALIST AND AUTHORIZE CITY ATTORNEY TO NEGOTIATE EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT (RC): RESOLUTION No. 17-2026; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, SELECTING A CANDIDATE AND AN ALTERNATE FOR THE POSITION OF CITY MANAGER, AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO EXTEND THE OFFER OF EMPLOYMENT, AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ENGAGE IN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE FINALIST; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. ]

YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO SEE FROM EACH ONE OF YOU WE COULD TALK ABOUT WHO WE LIKED AND WHO THOSE FAVORITES MIGHT BE, AND SEE IF WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME TO SOME CONSENSUS FIRST. VICE MAYOR. I LEARNED A LOT HAVING THESE INTERVIEWS. I WILL SAY THAT POSITIVE THINGS. SOME WERE MORE FORTHCOMING ABOUT FIXING ISSUES. WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THE LEGACY STUFF, THINGS THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. IN PARTICULAR. I THINK THE BIG QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED FROM THE BOARD AS WELL, MAYBE, IS DO YOU WANT SOMEONE THAT STRICTLY HAS INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE OR SOMEBODY THAT HAS LEADERSHIP EXPERIENCE AND KNOW INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, AND THEY COULD LEARN AS THE PROCESS GOES ALONG? WHAT I LEARNED AS WELL FROM THE ONES THAT HAD INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, SOME OF THEM COULD HAVE HAD AN ETHICS COMPLAINT, AN HR COMPLAINT, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN IN THAT POSITION FOR A WHILE, WHETHER IT WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY OR UNINTENTIONAL. I KNOW. SOME HAD FINANCE EXPERIENCE, WHICH WAS NICE AS A CITY MANAGER, BUT I STILL THINK IT COMES DOWN TO SOMEONE WITH INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION. I KNOW IN THE BEGINNING I WAS HEAVY ON INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, BUT I FULLY BELIEVE IF THEY DON'T HAVE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, I THINK SOMEONE COULD LEARN. IF YOU'RE RUNNING LARGE COMPANIES, IT WAS IT WAS HARD TO FIND A CANDIDATE THAT HAD PRIVATE EXPERIENCE AND GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE. TYPICALLY, IF THEY'RE GOVERNMENT, THEY'RE ALL IN WITH GOVERNMENT. THEY'RE GOING FROM ONE CITY MANAGER POSITION FOR A YEAR, MAYBE THREE YEARS, MAYBE TEN YEARS HERE JUST TO THE NEXT CITY OR THE COUNTY. WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION CHANGED FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS, THEY KNEW THE LAY OF THE LAND, THEY KNEW HOW TO NAVIGATE IT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PRO OR A CON. IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT CONTROL CAN CONTROL THE NARRATIVE BY BEING VERY INSTITUTIONAL, I GUESS, AND HAVING ALL THE KNOWLEDGE IN THE WORLD AND WITHHOLDING IT AT TIMES. SO I DON'T KNOW. AND I ALSO THINK IT MAYBE I REALLY DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO RELOCATE SOMEONE PER SE. I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENS DURING

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YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO NAME NAMES OR JUST SOMEONE PROVIDE COMMENTS. I'LL I'LL LISTEN FOR A LITTLE BIT BEFORE I GIVE MY CONSENSUS, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

REGARDING RESIDENTS. I BELIEVE IT IS REQUIRED FOR YOU TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THEY HAVE TWO YEARS TO MOVE TO THE CITY. I THINK THAT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR A CITY MANAGER.

THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN 15 MILES OF CITY HALL WITHIN TWO YEARS. AND I PERSONALLY FOUND A FEW THAT WERE QUALIFIED BUT NOT WILLING TO MOVE. THEY WANTED TO COMMUTE EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE IN FLORIDA. JUST A LITTLE. I THINK THE CITY MANAGER NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST 10 OR 15 MILES. WE HAVE SITUATIONS THAT HAPPEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, AND WHILE YOU DON'T ACTUALLY NEED TO BE ON SITE, IT'S ALWAYS PREFERABLE JUST BECAUSE YOUR STAFF IS THERE TO TO AT LEAST BE UP FRONT AND CENTER. YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY THE WHOLE NIGHT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET YOUR, YOU KNOW, BOOTS ON AND GET IN THE WATER, BUT THE STAFF NEEDS TO KNOW YOU'RE THERE AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IF YOU'RE COMMUTING. SO I HAD SOME ISSUES WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE QUALIFIED. WE HAD A LOT OF QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS. YEAH WE DID. WE HAD A LOT OF QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS. FOR ME, ONE PERSON STOOD OUT HAVING KIND OF THE THE WHOLE PICTURE. SO WHO WHO WASN'T WILLING TO MOVE FOR CLARIFICATION? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER BECAUSE THAT'LL MAKE THIS PROCESS EASIER THEN CHANDLER WILLIAMSON, HE LIVES IN. IT'S LIKE YEAH. SO SO EVEN WITHIN TWO YEARS HE HAD NO PLANS TO MOVE. I DON'T THINK SO. GOTCHA. NO, I ASKED THE QUESTION. HE THOUGHT HE COULD COMMUTE. OF COURSE, HE HAD MENTIONED WHAT TIME FRAME IT WAS TO GET THERE, BUT IT WASN'T DURING COMMUTING HOURS, SO IT WOULD BE A LITTLE LONGER. WHAT WAS YOUR STAND UP? MY STANDOUT WAS GLEN ADAMS. YEAH, I LIKE GLEN. YEAH. I THOUGHT HE KIND OF HAD THE WHOLE PACKAGE AND AND I THOUGHT HE'D BE SOMEONE WHO COULD REALLY PULL THE TROOPS TOGETHER. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR MORALE, CAMARADERIE, EVERYONE WORKING TOGETHER AND FEELING SOLID WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE CITY AND UNDER THE CITY MANAGER, COMMISSIONER I HAVE MY FIRST PICK. AND FOR THAT, MY DISCUSSION OCCUR AFTER A MOTION IS MADE. OKAY. ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION? SO CAN I JUST GO FOR IT? SO, SO. I LOOKED AT PEOPLE WITH IN OBVIOUS STATE EXPERIENCE. PEOPLE ARE ALREADY LIVING IN FLORIDA, HAVE FLORIDA EXPERIENCE, AND WHETHER THEY WERE NEAR OR FAR, A LOT OF THEM WERE FROM SOUTHEAST FLORIDA. THERE WAS ONE FROM CENTRAL FLORIDA UP IN HIGH SPRINGS AREA, GAINESVILLE AREA UP THERE. THEN THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WERE OUT OF STATE NOW, BUT THEY HAD FLORIDA EXPERIENCE. MR. HAWTHORNE AND SOME OTHERS, I THINK. AND THEN THERE WERE A COUPLE OF MILITARY TYPE GUYS WHO HAD A LOT OF I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. OH, COMMISSIONER REED IS NOT HERE, THIS INSTITUTIONAL THING. WAIT TO HEAR YOUR REMARKS. OH, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT HE HAD LEFT. I WILL TAKE A RECESS IN MY BANTER IN. I THINK HE WENT TO ASK A QUESTION SO WE CAN TAKE JUST JUST A IS IT WITH LEE? OR WE CAN WAIT. OKAY. AND WELL, OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ROSS. OKAY. THANK YOU SUSAN. WE'RE WAITING FOR YOU. SORRY. IT'S OKAY. YEAH. WHEN YOU SAID INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WORK LIKE WITH THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO ARE VETERANS WHO HAD A LOT OF GOVERNMENT. YEAH. AND AIRPORT. EXPERIENCE AND SO ON. AND BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE NECESSARILY FLORIDA PLANNING EXPERIENCE OR FLORIDA LEGAL GUIDELINES AND SO ON. BUT THEY COULD RUN A SHIP, SO TO SPEAK, OR THEY COULD SET THE SHIP RIGHT, SO TO SPEAK. SO YES, THERE, THERE, THERE WERE THOSE PEOPLE FOLLOWING UP WITH MR. ADAMS WAS LIKE I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH HIM, MAYBE VERY IMPRESSED. AND THEN WHEN I LOOKED AT, I WENT BACK AND I LOOKED AT EVERYBODY. I LOOKED AT THEIR LINKEDIN, THEIR FACEBOOK, WHATEVER THEY HAD. I LOOKED AT WHERE THEY'VE APPLIED FOR JOBS PREVIOUSLY. AND I NOTICED THAT IN MARTINSVILLE,

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THEN HE CAME BACK AND DID WORK LESS THAN A CITY MANAGER. HE WAS A CITY ADMINISTRATOR. AND THEN AGAIN HE WENT UP NORTH. AND NOW HE'S CURRENTLY NOT EMPLOYED. BUT HE JUST RECENTLY WAS INTERVIEWED AND WAS LOOKED AT THROUGH THE THROUGH. COLIN BASINGER, WHICH IS A A HEADHUNTING GROUP, CLEAN, ABSOLUTELY CLEAN RECORD GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS AND MAYORS THAT HAVE WORKED WITH HIM. THAT'S MR. DONNELLY. HE HAS FLORIDA EXPERIENCE IN TERMS OF FLORIDA LEGISLATIVE EXPERIENCE, FLORIDA PLANNING AND ZONING EXPERIENCE. AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT HE COULD ALSO WORK WITH OUR OUR STAFF. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN HIS BACKGROUND THAT HAD ANY ISSUE WITH ANY PREVIOUS COMMISSIONS OR ANY FIRINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO I THOUGHT THAT HE WAS GOOD, I THOUGHT THAT MR. MENENDEZ WAS GOOD AS A VERY HE, A GOOD CANDIDATE WITH HIS ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE AND BACKGROUND. HE WAS JUST INTERVIEWED LIKE JANUARY OR FEBRUARY 28TH OR SOMETHING, JANUARY THE 18TH, I THINK, BY THE CITY OF NORTH MIAMI BEACH FOR A POSITION THERE. HE WAS FOUR IN THE TOP FOUR RUNNING FOR THAT. HE HAS VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR ENGINEERING, PLANNING, ARCHITECTURE, KNOWING FLORIDA LAW, HE'S WORKED AS A CONSULTANT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

HE SAID THAT HE WOULD GIVE UP HIS CONSULTING WORK IF HE WERE TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF STUART.

I WASN'T SURE IF HE WAS ONE OF THE ONES WHO YOU MIGHT HAVE ASKED IF THEY WOULD EVER WANTED TO RELOCATE, BUT I THINK HE'S DOWN IN MIAMI. AND BUT I THOUGHT THAT MOST PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY I DIDN'T REALLY PRESS THEM MUCH ON THE RELOCATION, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT THEY KNEW THAT WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME THEY'D HAVE TO BE HERE. SO BUT I KNOW THAT HE'S STRONG IN MIAMI. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CANDIDATES WHO ARE IN THE AREA RIGHT NOW. MR. MATHIS IS IN THE AREA. HE'S WORKED LOCALLY. HE DIDN'T HAVE AS MUCH MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE AS I AS I WAS HOPING FOR. MR. HARVELL HAS WORKED BEFORE AS A CONSULTANT AND AS A PLANNER IN THE SOUTHEAST FLORIDA AREA. HE LIVES IN MARTIN COUNTY. AND MR. GIARDINO, WHO IS FROM MILITARY BACKGROUND, AND ALSO SOME SMALL TOWNS IN VIRGINIA, AND I THINK NEW JERSEY, OR IS IT CONNECTICUT? I HAVE THE LIST IN CONNECTICUT. IS IT OKAY? YEAH. SO I HE HE HE HE IMPRESSED ME.

ACTUALLY, HE AND MR. ADAMS WERE THE ONES THAT IMPRESSED ME A LOT. AND THEN WHEN I LOOK BACK AT THE ISSUE, I DON'T THINK MR. ADAMS IS INVOLVED WITH A LAWSUIT IN THE SAME WAY THAT MISS BENAVIDES IS WITH MARTINSVILLE. BUT SHE'S HIGHLY INVOLVED WITH THE LAWSUIT.

SHE'S VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY EXCELLENT, QUALIFIED, GOOD WITH PURCHASING MONEY MANAGEMENT,

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BUT I THINK IT CAME UP WHEN HE WAS APPLYING FOR THE CITY OF DUNDEE CITY MANAGER, AND I JUST I FOUND SOMETHING. I DIDN'T PRINT IT OUT, BUT IT'S THERE. IF ANYBODY EVER WANT TO LOOK HIM UP. MR. HAWTHORNE HAD A VERY, VERY GREAT AFFINITY FOR THE CITY OF STUART. I LOOKED AT HIS ISSUES IN ATLANTA, AND I LOOKED AT HIS VIDEO FROM WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM WHEN HE WAS FIRED FROM A JOB UP THERE THAT HE HE HAD JUST GOTTEN PRAISES FOR AND THEN WAS TURNED AWAY.

AND THEN I THINK THAT WAS COLLEGE PARK IN ATLANTA. SO I DID LOOK BACK AT THESE PEOPLE.

I DIDN'T FIND MUCH IN MR. TIBBS BACKGROUND OR MR. MARSHALL'S BACKGROUND. THEY SEEM VERY, VERY CLEAR AND CLEAN, I THINK. BUT FOR US, THOUGH, I, I'M LOOKING, YOU KNOW, MR. GIARDINO, MR. DONNELLY, MR. MENENDEZ. MR. ADAMS, MR. ADAMS ACTUALLY ATTENDED OUR MEETING HERE AT THE CITY OF STUART, AND THAT SHOWED A LOT OF INTEREST IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO THERE, WHO DID I LEAVE OUT? I DIDN'T LEAVE OUT ANYBODY, MR. HAWTHORNE. HORRIBLE. NO, I THINK THAT I, I COVERED ALL OF I SAID MR. TIBBS AS HE AND HE HAS FLORIDA EXPERIENCE. HE IS A TWICE TWICE RETIRED OR HE'S. YEAH. SO AND I THINK THAT WE I THINK THAT FOR THE FLOW THAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW AND I THINK HE LIVES HE WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT HE MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED SOMETHING BECAUSE I THINK HE CURRENTLY LIVES LIKE IN PALM BEACH COUNTY, BUT HE GOES ALL THE WAY BACK OUT THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE LIVES IN WELLINGTON AND GOES OUT THERE TO HENDRY COUNTY, BUT VERY, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE. GRANT. HE HAS RECEIVED GRANTS. I LOOKED AT THE PEOPLE WHO RAISED GRANTS AND AND RAISED THINGS FOR THEIR COMMUNITY THAT THEY'VE WORKED IN AND PEOPLE WHO'VE JUST BEEN STEADY AND FOR CHARACTER. I, I KNOW THAT MR. DON AND HIS FUNNY AND I'LL JUST SAY THIS BECAUSE I FOUND IT IN THE RECORD. ONE OF HIS COMMISSIONERS SAID, YOU KNOW, MR. DONNELLY MAY NOT LOOK LIKE A GQ PERSON ALL THE TIME, BUT HE HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HE'S DOING. AND HE WAS AND AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW HE PRESENTS HIMSELF. BUT HE IS I THINK HE CAN BE A THOROUGH PERSON TO WORK THROUGH SOME ISSUES AND TO HELP US WITH THE HARD ISSUES, LAND USE ISSUES, AND TO TO HELP US PULL SOME THINGS TOGETHER. BUT I DO THINK FOR CONFIDENCE AND SO ON. I REALLY LIKED SPEAKING. AND THIS I MEAN, I HAVE A PLANNING BACKGROUND AND A LEGAL BACKGROUND, BUT I TELL YOU THE I WAS IMPRESSED WITH JUST THE, THE WAY THAT THE, THE ONES WHO HAD DONE A LONG MILITARY TIME, HOW THEY RESPONDED TO TO SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS AND HONESTLY, THAT'S IT. I HAVE MY SHEET, I HAVEN'T WRITTEN A SINGLE THING ON IT, AND I'M NOT READY TO PUT ON ANY NAMES YET. AND I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND. I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND. I DIDN'T PUT ANY OF MINE YET. YEAH, MY MINE WOULD BE. I'M JUST GOING TO THROW IT OUT THERE THEN. SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE HOLDING LIKE POKER CARDS OR SOMETHING. TO ME I WOULD SAY LIKE TOP THREE GLENN ADAMS. I WOULD SAY DAVID HARVELL POTENTIALLY. AND THEN MICHAEL GIARDINO, THOSE WOULD BE MY TOP GIARDINO. AND HE DIDN'T WANT TO. REALLY. YEAH. YOU'RE I THINK GLENN ADAMS HAD PRIVATE EXPERIENCE AND CITY MANAGER EXPERIENCE, WHICH IS NICE. MICHAEL GIARDINO HAD JUST I DON'T WANT TO SAY JUST BECAUSE IT SOUNDS BAD PER SE, I GUESS. BUT LIKE HE MILITARY BACKGROUND, HE WORKED IN KEY WEST. THAT'S WHERE HE WAS STATIONED. BUT HE DID WORK WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS WITH PROJECTS. BUT YES, YES, THOSE WOULD BE MY THREE THAT I WOULD TARGET. IF ANYONE'S WILLING TO DISCUSS ANY OF THEM, I'M OPEN. YOU DIDN'T LIKE MR. MENDEZ OR MR. DONNELLY, I WELL, I HAVE A GREAT EXPERIENCE. YEAH, I'LL LET THE MAYOR. YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I. I REALLY WANTED TO THANK ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WHO CAME. YES, DEFINITELY 13 PEOPLE WHO TRAVELED HERE, GOT ON PLANES, PAID FOR THEIR FLIGHT TO COME INTERVIEW WITH THE CITY. THEY WERE IN ROOMS WITH US FOR, YOU KNOW, FIVE HOURS. SOME OF THEM HAD TO WAIT AND WERE HERE FOR A LOT OF, OF THE DAY. AND THEN THE FIVE OF US WERE HERE FROM 9 A.M. TO 715 INTERVIEWING. SO I

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AND AND THAT'S HOW I'VE TRIED TO APPROACH IT IS NOT JUST WHO WOULD I WANT TO WORK WITH, BUT LIKE WHO WHO COULD REALLY POSITIVELY AFFECT THE CULTURE AND THE TONE, THE SPIRIT OF THE CITY GOING FORWARD. AND AND YOU NEVER KNOW, ELECTIONS ARE IN AUGUST AND YOU COULD BE UNSEATED. AND AND IF I HAD ANY LEGACY IMPACT HERE, IT WOULD BE TRULY WHO'S RUNNING THE SHIP HERE. SO ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WERE VERY QUALIFIED. AND I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE ONE THAT WAS 82 APPLICANTS. BLOWS MY MIND, YOU KNOW. AND TWO, IT WAS SO HARD TO WEED THESE PEOPLE DOWN THAT THEY WERE 13 OF THEM TO INTERVIEW. SO IT TOOK US TWO DAYS TO DO IT. OF ALL OF THESE PEOPLE, THEY WERE ALL VERY QUALIFIED IN DIFFERENT WAYS. LET ME LET ME TAKE JUST A QUICK STEP BACK AND GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT FOR ME PERSONALLY WITHOUT THROWING TOO MUCH SHADE AT ANYBODY IN THE PAST, MY MY GOAL IN THIS POSITION IS SOMEBODY WHO CAN TRULY JUST RUN THE CITY IN THE PAST WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, GOING TOO HARD ON SPECIFIC NAMES. MAYBE THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT AND THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN ALLUDED TO EVEN IN JOLIE'S COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, THERE THERE MAY BE MORE OF A POLITICIAN. THERE, HERE, THERE, THERE, THERE, AT THE CHAMBER, THERE HAVING LUNCH WITH TOM CAMP, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE THERE HALF MAYOR AND HALF. YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALMOST POTENTIALLY ANOINTED A KING, YOU KNOW, AND AND REALLY WHAT YOU NEED IN THE CITY IS STEWART, YOU HAVE YOU HAVE FIVE COMMISSIONERS. YOU HAVE A MAYOR THAT CAN DEAL WITH THE MEDIA, THAT CAN BE AT THE CHAMBER MEETING, THAT CAN DO THE WHATEVER REALLY NEED SOMEBODY TO, IN MY OPINION, TO FOCUS ON THE CITY RUNNING THE DAY TO DAY. A NICE, STEADY SHIP, SOMEBODY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT EASY TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE WITHOUT MAKING THEM FEEL ATTACKED OR IT'S NOT AN EASY TASK. AND SO WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT WITH THESE PEOPLE IS SOMEBODY THAT ONE CAN FOLLOW CHAIN OF COMMAND. IT CAN BE DIFFICULT WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THE CITY. MAYBE THEY'VE BEEN PAST COMMISSIONERS AND MAYORS AND FILLED DIFFERENT POSITIONS IN THE CITY. IT MAY BE HARD FOR THEM TO JUST FUNCTION AS A CITY MANAGER ALONE, BUT IN MY INTERVIEWS WITH THESE PEOPLE, I WAS LOOKING AT WHO CAN HONOR THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS FOR A REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC, FOR THIS EXPERIMENT OF DEMOCRACY TO WORK, YOU HAVE FIVE HUMAN BEINGS UP HERE WHO HAVE BEEN ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE AS THEIR PROXY. WE HAVE TO BE ALLOWED TO ULTIMATELY MAKE THE POLICY DECISIONS AND HAVE STAFF IMPLEMENT THEM WITHOUT ANY SUBVERSION OR DISREGARD, BECAUSE IT TRULY IT'S THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, NOT JUST OUR OPINIONS. AND IT CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT AND AND VERY SEDUCTIVE. WHEN YOU'VE WORKED IN MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT OR IN THE CITY FOR TEN YEARS, 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT TO LISTEN TO. A CHIROPRACTOR THAT JUST GOT ELECTED OR, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY OF US THAT DO DIFFERENT JOBS AND HAVE VERY LITTLE EXPERIENCE. IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME IN TALKING TO PEOPLE, THAT I GOT THE SENSE THAT THEY COULD FOLLOW THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, WHETHER IT'S ME IN THE SEAT OR SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE NEXT CYCLE, SO THAT TRULY THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE COULD BE IMPLEMENTED.

AND FROM THE TOP DOWN, FROM YOUR CITY MANAGER DOWN THE THAT THERE COULD BE A UNIFIED, ORGANIZED CULTURE WITHIN THE CITY OF TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THAT AND TRUST OUR COMMISSIONERS, THAT YOU MAY EDUCATE THEM AND LEAD THEM AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN, BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE THROUGH THE COMMISSION. SO THAT SAID, MY MY FAVORITE OF ALL OF THESE HIGHLY QUALIFIED PEOPLE, IF YOU'RE WATCHING, THIS IS NOT A KNOCK ON ANY OF YOU THAT SHOWED UP. YOU WERE ALL VERY GOOD, AMAZING IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. BUT I THOUGHT MICHAEL GIARDINO WAS MY NUMBER ONE AND GLENN ADAMS WOULD BE MY NUMBER TWO. AND FOR A LITTLE CONTEXT ON THOSE TWO, I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO OTHER PEOPLE.

AND WHY NOT, BUT WHY I WOULD SAY MICHAEL GIARDINO WAS THAT NUMBER ONE FOR ME IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES GOD SHINES DOWN ON RIGHT THIS THIS GENTLEMAN AND HIS WIFE A YEAR AGO HAPPENED TO

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HE HAS RUN BASES WITH 800 PEOPLE DOWN IN THE KEYS. SO HE'S HE'S NOT AN ALIEN TO FLORIDA. HE HAS RUN VARIOUS AIRPORTS. HE HAS MUNICIPAL EXPERIENCE AS WELL IN BROWNSVILLE. SO AGAIN, I THINK GOD SHINED DOWN ON US NOT TO HYPE HIM UP TOO MUCH, BUT BUT I THINK WE WOULD BE IT WOULD BE OUR HONOR TO HAVE A GUY LIKE THAT IN THIS ROLE. I, I FELT CONFIDENT THAT HE COULD FOLLOW CHAIN OF COMMAND AND WAS LOOKING WOULD BE LOOKING TO THE FIVE OF US TO SET THE DIRECTION FOR HIM TO IMPLEMENT. I HAVE ZERO DOUBT AS A AS A GUY WHO UNDERSTANDS MILITARY AND CHAIN OF COMMAND, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE ANY ISSUES. AND SIMILARLY WITH GLEN ADAMS, I THINK THAT SAME THING WOULD BE TRUE. THE ONLY REASON I WOULD SAY GLEN WOULD BE MY NUMBER TWO IS BECAUSE OF MICHAEL GIORDANO GIORDANO'S EXPERIENCE RUNNING THE TYPES OF ORGANIZATIONS HE HAS. I THINK HE MAY. I THINK HE MAY HANDLE. LET'S SEE. IT'S HARD TO SAY THINGS WITHOUT BEING SEEMINGLY CASTING SHADE ON ANOTHER PERSON. I THINK HE MIGHT DO A BETTER JOB, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL AT NAVIGATING WITH GRACE STAFF AND BEING THAT BRIDGE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, US AND STAFF. I THINK BOTH OF THEM, BECAUSE OF THEIR MILITARY BACKGROUND, WOULD DO A PHENOMENAL JOB OF GETTING THE CITY. MAYBE WE CAN BE A LITTLE SILOED AT TIMES, BUT GETTING EVERYBODY'S STAFF TOGETHER ON ONE PAGE AGAIN OF IMPLEMENTING THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION. BUT PERSONALLY, MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S EVEN JUST TEMPERAMENT. I THINK MICHAEL GIORDANO MIGHT BE A BETTER A LITTLE BIT BETTER FIT, BUT I THINK WE WE WOULD HAVE A HOME RUN WITH EITHER ONE PERSONALLY. SO THOSE ARE MY GENERAL AND SPECIFIC COMMENTS.

IF. YOU GUYS HAVE MORE. I BELIEVE THAT COMMISSIONER RICH WOULD LIKE A MOTION BEFORE HE DISCUSSES HIS CANDIDATES. WE CAN CONTINUE TO DISCUSS AND THEN WAIT, YOU KNOW, JUST IS HE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION I DON'T KNOW, NO, NO HE'S NOT. SO THEN WE CAN JUST CONTINUE TO DISCUSS.

I IS THERE SOME CONSENSUS ON. I THINK THREE OF US HAD HAVE MENTIONED MICHAEL GIARDINO. IS THERE A CONSENSUS THAT HE MIGHT BE NUMBER ONE OR NOT? AND WHO MIGHT BE NUMBER TWO? BECAUSE YOU KNOW MY THOUGHTS. I KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS. I LOOKED AT BOTH. AND AND MR. GIARDINO IS VERY QUALIFIED AS WELL AS GLEN ADAMS. I THOUGHT THAT MR. ADAMS HAD A MUCH MORE PERSONABLE FEEL FOR WORKING WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE STAFF. MR. GIORDANO RUNS LAGUARDIA AIRPORT. I MEAN, HE'S FANTASTIC AND HE'S RUN A MILITARY BASE IN KEY WEST, AND I'VE BEEN TO THAT BASE. IT'S IT'S AN AMAZING BASE. HE HAS MOVED TO THIS AREA. HE HAS BEEN IN AND OUT OF STEWART FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS. HIS FAMILY LIVES HERE, HIS SISTER LIVES HERE. HIS PARENTS WERE JUST RECENTLY.

THEY'RE GETTING ON IN YEARS. AND THE REASON HE'S MOVED HERE IS TO SETTLE THEM SO THAT HENCE THE HOUSE IN ROCKY POINT. MY ONLY I HATE TO SAY DOWNSIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH MAJORLY QUALIFIED, IS THAT I THINK HE'S ALMOST A LITTLE TOO MILITARY. AND I THINK THAT WHILE THAT'S GREAT WHEN YOU'RE COMING ON A SHIP OR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE HAD THAT PREVIOUS TYPE OF MENTORSHIP OR LEADERSHIP, I THINK IT MIGHT BE JUST A LITTLE TOO HARSH FOR COMING ON TO. I DIDN'T GET THAT IMPRESSION. IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU GOT THAT IMPRESSION. YOU WANT THAT AGAIN, MICHAEL? MR. GIORDANO, I THOUGHT HE WAS VERY MELLOW, MELLOW AND VERY HUMAN. I DIDN'T GET THAT THAT HARSH. I THOUGHT HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LITTLE NERVOUS. NO, NO, NOT NOT NERVOUS AT ALL. I WASN'T NERVOUS OR STRONG WITH HER. THEY WERE STILL NERVOUS TO ME.

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WHEN IT COMES TO POLITICALLY DIFFICULT VOTES, THE PRESS, YOU KNOW, AND AND SO SO I IN FACT WOULD BE LOOKING FOR THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OKAY. WHICH IS, I BELIEVE THE PURPOSE OF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IS TO BE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE IT, YOU PUT YOURSELF IN THIS POSITION, RIGHT, AND YOU TAKE THE HITS. IF KEITH BURBANK WANTS TO BARBECUE YOU, YOU DO. YOU SHAKE HIS HAND AND YOU DO IT WITH A SMILE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND THAT'S THAT. YOU'VE PUT YOURSELF IN THAT POSITION. AND WHAT CAN HAPPEN IS WHEN YOU HAVE WEAKER COMMISSIONERS AND IT FORCES THAT MANAGER TO BE THAT SHIELD, IT CAN START TO BECOME, IN MY OPINION, DYSFUNCTIONAL JUST WITH LIKE A HAIR MORE EXPERIENCE. JUST I'VE WATCHED THIS KIND OF THING HAPPEN. OKAY. WHERE IF YOU I FEEL LIKE IT'S THE JOB OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO SET THE POLICY. WE HAVE TO BE THE PEOPLE WHO TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR FOR DECISIONS WE MAKE AND WHAT HAPPENS. RIGHT. AND AND TRULY, I THINK OUR JOB SHOULD BE THE INVERSE, WHICH IS I WANT TO PROTECT MY MANAGER FROM THAT, OKAY. SO THAT THEY CAN JUST RUN THE CITY AND MANAGE STAFF. AND AND IT'S NOT A COMMON THING.

IT'S NOT YOU USUALLY IT'S NOT THAT WAY OFTEN BECAUSE YOU HAVE ELECTIONS COMING UP AND NOBODY WANTS BAD PRESS. YOU KNOW, YOU THROW YOUR MANAGER OUT THERE TO TAKE THE WHIPPING. BUT BUT IDEALLY IN THE CITY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT OUR THAT THE FIVE OF US ARE THE ONES WHO, YOU KNOW, REALLY PROTECT YOUR MANAGER. AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT ADVOCATING THE OPPOSITE OF THAT OR WHATEVER, BUT I'M NOT. AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. AND I GUESS THE PART I MISS SAYING WAS THAT IN GLEN ADAMS CASE, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING HE WOULD REACH OUT TO THE I MEAN, IF HE WERE ASKED THE QUESTION, BUT NOT BEFORE REACHING A CONSENSUS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS, I UNDERSTAND, AND I AND I LEFT THAT OUT. I'M SORRY. AFTER YOU BROUGHT UP THE WHOLE, HE WOULD BASICALLY SEE WHERE THE COMMISSION FELT HE WASN'T MAKING THE DECISION TO TALK TO THE PRESS. HE WAS JUST SEEING WHERE THE COMMISSIONERS LIE. THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS THAT WHEN YOU GO OUT IN THE PUBLIC, SOMETIMES THE PUBLIC ASSUMES THAT IF I SAY SOMETHING OR YOU SAY SOMETHING, WE ALL AGREE WITH EACH OTHER BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE KNOWS WE HAVEN'T. SO THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING TO THE PRESS. AND AS KEITH CAN TELL YOU, I GRILL HIM TO DEATH. HI, KEITH. AND IT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU SAY SOMETHING OR IF YOU MISQUOTE ME, YOU'LL NEVER TALK TO ME AGAIN BECAUSE I WANT

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WHO'S YOUR NUMBER ONE? NO, NO, NO, WE'RE NOT SHOWING THE CARD. NO. I I'M NOT I WILL NOT VOTE IN FAVOR OF HIM TO BE THE CITY MANAGER. BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY WHO. I'M JUST. I DON'T THINK I DON'T WISH TO SPEAK, OKAY? HE DOESN'T WANT TO SPEAK ANY OF THE CANDIDATES. HE DOESN'T WANT TO SPEAK. OKAY. THERE'S. I'M NOT REQUIRED TO. OKAY. CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY. COMMISSIONER. YOU HAD SAID YOU WOULDN'T DISCUSS IT UNLESS WE HAD A MOTION. SO NOW WE'VE MADE THE MOTION BY INDICATING THAT HE IS NOT MY NUMBER ONE PICK. OKAY, OKAY.

WELL, YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE TWO. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. WHAT ABOUT YOU GUYS? MINE IS ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE. I HAVE GLENN ADAMS FIRST AND MICHAEL GIORDANO SECOND. OKAY. MINE'S JUST THE OPPOSITE. AND I'M IN THAT ZONE. EXCEPT THAT I DO THINK THAT MR. DONNELLY IS A GOOD FIT FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED FOR FLORIDA. AND THESE TWO GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO THEY'RE THEY'LL BE GOOD MANAGERS IF ONE OF THEM IS PICKED, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY COME UP WITH THE. DEALING WITH OUR FLORIDA LEGISLATION AND THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO. AND IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE. THEY CAN HANDLE IT IF THEY'RE COMING HERE FOR THE JOB, MAYBE THAT'S IT. BUT I REALLY THINK THAT FOR AND I WAS I'M SURPRISED. BUT WHEN I WENT BACK THROUGH AND LOOKED AT EVERYTHING, I CAME UP WITH EITHER MR. MENDEZ OR MR. DONNELLY AS A FIRST PICK. AND MAYBE BECAUSE OF THEIR, THEIR, THEIR PLANNING AND LEGISLATIVE EXPERIENCE AS MANAGERS OF CITIES THAT WERE GROWING AND MAKING CHANGE OR WORKING IN IN COMMUNITIES LIKE THAT. AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE SOUTH FLORIDA BACKGROUND, BUT OUT OF THOSE TWO, I, I PICKED MR. DONNELLY AND OF COURSE, MR. AND MR. ADAMS. LIKE I SAID, MR. ADAMS WAS LIKE MY FIRST IMPRESSION, VERY FIRST IMPRESSION. AND THEN WHEN I MET MR. YOU KNOW, THERE WERE FIRST AND LAST FOR ME KIND OF BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THE THE TIME WHEN I MET THEM. YEAH. SO IT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS. BUT I'M, I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH WHOEVER THE COMMISSION PICKS AND THAT WE CAN WORK WITH. I DID BRING UP AND NOT TO PUT ANY SHADE ON ANYBODY. I DID BRING UP THE WHOLE MARTINSVILLE THING, AND YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT IT, AND YOU'VE PROBABLY DONE YOUR OWN RESEARCH, BUT AND I, I, I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT WITH THE CANDIDATE AT THE TIME, BUT THE CANDIDATE DELIVERED HIMSELF IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT PROBABLY WASN'T NECESSARY. I SEE THAT I HAVE IT IN MY NOTES NOW, AND MAYBE BECAUSE IT'S AFTER MY SUMMER NOTES, I HAVE LIKE TONS OF NOTES IN MY THING, THAT FOR WHEN I TALK TO THEM THAT DAY, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE GOLDEN RULES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAYBE IT'S A MILITARY THING, BUT WHEN I ASKED THESE PEOPLE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SAID, JUST TELL ME THREE WORDS. AND THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED WITH THREE WORDS, WHETHER COMPETENT, THIS, THAT OR THE OTHER, LOYAL WHATEVER. THEY SAID, OTHER PEOPLE GAVE ME THEIR SUNDAY SCHOOL BOOK OF WHAT IS IN THEIR RESUME AND THEY, YOU KNOW, AND SO I THAT MADE A DISTINCTION FOR ME. RIGHT? BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S SO QUALIFIED. EVERYTHING MAKES A

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YOU HAVE A MOTION ALREADY OF ONE AND TWO. YOU CAN STILL VOTE THAT WAY. BUT SHE WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE WAS AN OPTION. LIKE COMMISSIONER RICH DOES NOT WANT TO DISCLOSE WHO HIS PICK WAS, BUT MAYBE THAT'S AN OPTION. IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO DO IT ON CARDS LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. I, WE DID NOT DO THAT FOR RUTH. YEAH. I THINK FOR TRANSPARENCY. IT'S RIGHT.

IT'S GOOD TO PUT IT OUT THERE. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? IS GOOD FOR WHAT? FOR THE FOR US TO TALK. FOR US TO SPEAK. YEAH. YEAH. DELIBERATE FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE MIGHT PICK THE PERSON THAT WE PICK TO BE THEIR MANAGER. IF SOMEBODY WERE GOING TO BE FIRED, WE'D HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT. SO. OH, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU SAID ANONYMOUS. NEVER MIND. OKAY.

YOU PUT SO OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND ALREADY SO YOU CAN VOTE ON THAT. WE NEED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. RIGHT. BUT I'M AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. BUT OBVIOUSLY IT FAILS. AND THERE'S ANOTHER MOTION THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THEY MAY BE THE TOP TWO. I WAS TRYING TO JOT DOWN AS MUCH NOTES AS I CAN. ONE IS MR. GIORDANO. YES, SIR. CORRECT. BUT CURRENTLY THERE IS A MOTION.

IT'S NOT MY NUMBER ONE ON THE FLOOR. AND IT'S BEEN SECONDED THIS MOTION. YOU'VE HAD YOUR DISCUSSION. IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, YOU CAN GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND VOTE. SO NOW WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO SPEAK FAMILIAR WITH THEM. I DIDN'T GET TO INTERVIEW THESE PEOPLE ABOUT THEM. SO IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE I HAVE NO COMMENT. I COULD HAVE QUESTIONS MAYBE. OKAY. SEEING NONE. ALL RIGHT. MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? IS THERE A MOTION IS FOR THE FIRST ONE, MICHAEL GIARDINO AND THEN THE SECOND ONE, GLENN ADAMS. CLERK. YES, COMMISSIONER. JOB. NO. COMMISSIONER OR VICE MAYOR.

REED. YES. MAYOR. COLLINS. YES. AND COMMISSIONER. RICH. NO. MOTION PASSES 3 TO 2. MOTION.

OKAY. WE'LL SEND SO NEXT STEPS FOR US. SO THE NEXT STEPS IS CITY ATTORNEY WILL REACH OUT TO MR. GIARDINO AND NAVIGATE ELEMENTS OF AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT AND GET THAT PREPARED FOR THE NEXT MEETING. AND THAT'S REALLY IT. THAT'S IT. PRETTY MUCH UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. I'M SORRY. DID YOU SAY SOMETHING? LAST NAME IS GIARDINO, RIGHT? YES. MOVING ON

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I SAY THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO IT LAST TIME. YEAH. SO YOU HAD ALREADY FILLED OUT A COMPLETED A FORM EIGHT B AND TURNED IT INTO THE CITY CLERK. AND. AGAIN, IT'S FLORIDA STATUTE 288.012 AND COMMISSION ON ETHICS OPINION 23 THAT YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING TO AVOID THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. AND IF THE VICE MAYOR IS GOING TO BE HINTING, I SEE HE'S GOT HIS YELLOW CARD OUT. SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND HIM THAT HE'S GOING TO NEED TO GO THROUGH THE YELLOW CARD. I'M SORRY. ACTUALLY, YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE GOING TO STILL RUN THE YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING TO VOTE. IT PLEASES THE BOARD. I'LL CONTINUE TO RUN THE MEETING.

FORGOT. WE JUST WILL NOT BE VOTING. I'LL BE ABSTAINING FROM THE VOTE. OKAY, SO I'LL READ THE ORDINANCE. YES, SIR. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2549 DASH 2026, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA. REZONING A 0.45 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED AT 400 SOUTHEAST OSCEOLA STREET WITHIN THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA. SPECIAL DISTRICT FOR PROPERTY LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOTS 23, 24 AND 25. BLOCK ONE SUBDIVISION FROM R-3 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY OFFICE ZONING DESIGNATION TO COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DESIGNATION AND ADDING BARBERSHOP, BEAUTY SALONS AND SPECIALTY SALONS AS

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PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE MY LITTLE SPIEL THAT I NORMALLY DO ON THESE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS. SO IN A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING, THE CITY COMMISSION STEPS OUTSIDE OF ITS LEGISLATIVE OR ADMINISTRATIVE ROLE AND INTO A JUDICIAL CAPACITY. THE CITY COMMISSION WILL BE MAKING A DETERMINATION BY APPLYING EXISTING LAWS, ORDINANCES AND REGULATIONS TO THE FACTS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.

EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE OFFICIALLY ENTERED INTO THE RECORD AND TESTIMONY NEEDS TO BE UNDER OATH. THE COMMISSIONERS ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS THAT OCCURRED PRIOR TO THIS HEARING. WE'LL ALL POTENTIAL WITNESSES FOR THE APPLICANT AND CITY STAFF PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE SWORN IN. DO YOU AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO PROVIDE IN THIS HEARING WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO. YOU MAY BE SEATED. DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DISCLOSE? I HAVE NONE WITH REGARD TO THIS ISSUE, I DO. I'VE SPOKEN TO STAFF. I'VE SPOKEN. I'VE GOTTEN AN EMAIL FROM MR. BENEDETTI AND AND ACTUALLY SPOKE TO PANEL. I HAVE NO COMMUNICATIONS WITH MR. BENEDETTI SINCE HE WAS HERE THE LAST MEETING. I HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT THIS AND I HAVE NOT VISITED THE SITE, AND I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND. I WANT I FORGOT TO MENTION, I'M THE INTERIM, THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER. SORRY, WE HAD A DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. MINE WOULD BE WITH CITY ATTORNEY. I REMEMBER DURING THE ZONING IN PROGRESS, BENEDETTI WAS HERE AND THEN EMAIL. HE SENT ME AN EMAIL. WITH. AN APPLICANT THAT WANTED TO RENT THE PLACE. IF IT DOES SO, HAPPEN TO PASS TONIGHT. SO THERE WAS SOMEONE IN SUPPORT OF IT THAT WANTED TO LEASE PROPERTY FROM THE APPLICANT. I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND. I'VE SPOKEN TO STAFF, THE APPLICANT, AND THEN I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM EMILY LANTHIER JUST TO DISCLOSE THAT. NO, THAT'S A DIFFERENT. YEAH. THE OTHER ONE THAT'S THAT'S FOR THE NEXT. WE HAVE A MONTH. YOU'RE WELCOME. I RECEIVED THE SAME EMAIL. THAT'S WHY I KNEW. SO YOU PUT EVERYBODY UNDER YOUR UNDER OATH. WILL THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT PLEASE PROVIDE A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE AGENDA ITEM, INCLUDING THE LOCATION, SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, CURRENT ZONING, ZONING REQUESTED, AND LIST THE APPLICANTS REQUESTS, DEVIATE FROM A LAND USE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS IF THERE ARE ANY DROP. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. CITY COMMISSIONERS. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JODY COOGLER, THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR OF THE CITY FOR THE CITY OF STUART.

TONIGHT I'M PRESENTING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. THE APPLICANT, OSCEOLA STREET HOLDINGS LLC, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REZONING FROM THE EXISTING R3 OFFICE MULTIFAMILY OFFICE TO A COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO ADD BARBERSHOPS, BEAUTY SALONS AND SPECIALTY SALONS AS AN ALLOWABLE. USES. LOCATED AT 400 SOUTHEAST OSCEOLA, THE PROPERTY IS ALSO LOCATED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA SPECIAL DISTRICT. PURSUANT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, PUBLIC NOTICES. ON JANUARY 19TH, 2026, THE APPLICANT MAILED NOTICES TO ALL ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300FT OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL TO PROVIDE DETAILS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE DATE AND TIME OF TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING. ADDITIONALLY, ONE SIGN WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY WITH THE SAME INFORMATION. THE 0.45 ACRE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN RED AND IS LOCATED AT 400 SOUTHEAST OSCEOLA STREET AND IS SITUATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF OSCEOLA STREET IN GEORGIA AVENUE. CURRENTLY, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R3 MULTI MULTIFAMILY AND OFFICE. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS OFFICE RESIDENTIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO FOR THE PUD TO ALLOW BARBERSHOPS, BEAUTY, BEAUTY SALONS AND SPECIALTY SALON. THESE ARE THE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN OUR DEVELOPMENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES. AND CURRENTLY IN THE R3 DISTRICT, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE COMMERCIAL PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT IS A COMPATIBLE USE FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE. HOWEVER, THE FUTURE LAND USE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIAL DISTRICT. LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, MARINE, OR PUBLIC. AND THIS IS JUST COMING OUT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THIS IS THE CHART THAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED FOR MULTIFAMILY. THE CURRENT ZONING. AS YOU CAN SEE, EVERYTHING IN RED IS IS APPROVED THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE. THE R-3 ZONING MULTIFAMILY

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ORDINANCE NUMBER 2549 DASH 2026, MOVE. APPROVAL OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS PROJECT.

I SECOND THE MOTION. OH, SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. I DIDN'T THINK SHE WAS FINISHED. I'LL PICK BACK UP WITH YOU. SO I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE PREMATURE. WE ARE THE. DOES THE PETITIONER WISH TO OFFER? OH, DID. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN YET. IT'S OKAY. WE'RE OKAY. YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? YEAH. GO AHEAD. GOOD. YOU HAD ENTHUSIASM. I WAS ALL FOR IT. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS MICHAEL BENEDETTI, SIX, PERIWINKLE CIRCLE. I JUST WANTED TO. I TRIED TO EMAIL A LETTER OF A POTENTIAL FUTURE TENANT TO TO EVERYONE, BUT I GUESS IT DIDN'T GET TO EVERYONE.

I JUST WANTED TO READ THE LETTER THAT HE COULDN'T COME HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE HE HAS A SOFTBALL FUNCTION WITH HIS DAUGHTER. I SAID, JUST DO FAMILY FIRST. FAMILY FIRST.

EXACTLY RIGHT. I'LL READ THE LETTER. THIS IS FROM XAVIER UNDERWOOD. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, AS AN EAST STEWART RESIDENT OF 30 YEARS, BORN AND RAISED, I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE POTENTIAL TO MOVE MY EXISTING BARBERSHOP BUSINESS TO 400 SOUTHEAST OSCEOLA STREET. I HAVE AN ESTABLISHED BARBERSHOP BUSINESS OF OVER NINE YEARS. MY CURRENT LOCATION IS NOT CONDUCTIVE TO MY PLANS OF HELPING THE YOUTH IN MY COMMUNITY. THIS WOULD BE A PRIME LOCATION IN GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE EAST STEWART COMMUNITY, AS I PLAN TO INITIATE AN OUTREACH PROGRAM FOR THE INNER CITY YOUTH. IT'S MY PASSION TO SHOW THESE KIDS THAT THERE ARE WAYS OTHER THAN SELLING DRUGS, JOINING GANGS, OR BEING A STAR ATHLETE TO MAKE IT OUT OF HARSH CONDITIONS AND TO BE A PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF SOCIETY. MY GOAL IS TWICE A MONTH TO HAVE KIDS AGES 10 TO 17 COME OVER AFTER CHURCH AND WORK ON MANNEQUINS, TEACHING THEM A SKILL. I HAVE A LARGE SOCIAL MEDIA FOLLOWING AND WOULD LIKE TO WORK RAISING

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IT'S JUST THAT THEY CANNOT JUST PUT IN THE APPLICATION. SHE'D HAVE TO HAVE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THIS CIRCUMSTANCES. RIGHT. TO PIGGYBACK. WHY? WHY CAN'T THEY JUST APPLY? WELL, I THOUGHT SO TOO. BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU GUYS WANT TO GO.

BUT I WILL ALSO BE ABSTAINING BECAUSE THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO THE LANDSCAPING AS PART OF THE ZONING APPLICATION. SO THE THE PROGRAM WOULDN'T TYPICALLY APPLY TO THEM, JUST LIKE A SEACOAST. WHEN THEY CAME IN TO DO THEIR PROJECT, THEY HAD TO BRING THEIR SITE INTO

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[9. AVONLEA COMMERCIAL CORNERS EAST MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE NEW AVONLEA PUD FOR PARCEL D (LOT 11) (CPUD) (QUASI-JUDICIAL) (RC): ORDINANCE No. 2550-2026; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE THIRD AMENDMENT OF THE “NEW AVONLEA PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT” CONSISTING OF 12.40 ACRES ZONED RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, 16.24 ACRES ZONED COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, AND 20.4 ACRES OF WETLAND/UPLAND PRESERVE ZONED RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, BEING GENERALLY LOCATED BETWEEN NE DIXIE HIGHWAY TO THE SOUTH, LAND ON BOTH SIDES OF GREEN RIVER PARKWAY ON THE WEST, LAND ON BOTH SIDES OF CARDINAL AVENUE ON THE EAST AND THE CITY BOUNDARY TO THE NORTH, FOR PROPERTY LEGALLY DESCRIBED BY EXHIBIT “A” ATTACHED; PROVIDING FOR A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MASTER PARCEL SITE PLAN FOR THE AVONLEA COMMERCIAL EAST PARCEL D (LOT 11) TO BE IDENTIFIED AS AVONLEA COMMERCIAL CORNERS EAST; PROVIDING FOR REVISED AND NEW DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR PARCEL D (LOT 11); PROVIDING FOR AMENDED AND NEW TIMETABLES FOR DEVELOPMENT; DECLARING THE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY’S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN; PROVIDING FOR DIRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

ZONED RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. BEING GENERALLY LOCATED BETWEEN NORTHEAST DIXIE HIGHWAY TO THE SOUTH. LAND ON BOTH SIDES OF GREEN RIVER PARKWAY ON THE WEST. LAND ON BOTH SIDES OF CARDINAL AVENUE ON THE EAST, AND THE CITY BOUNDARY TO THE NORTH. FOR PROPERTY LEGALLY DESCRIBED BY AS EXHIBIT A ATTACHED PROVIDING FOR A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. TO PROVIDE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MASTER PARCEL SITE PLAN FOR THE AVONLEA COMMERCIAL EAST PARCEL D, LOT 11, TO BE IDENTIFIED AS AVONLEA COMMERCIAL CORNERS EAST, PROVIDING FOR REVISED AND NEW DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR PARCEL D, LOT 11, PROVIDING FOR AMENDED AND NEW TIMETABLES FOR DEVELOPMENT.

DECLARING THE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. PROVIDING FOR DIRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT.

PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DISCLOSE. AFTER THE PRIOR MEETING, I SPOKE BRIEFLY WITH THIS YOUNG MAN IN THE GRAY SUIT AND ASKED TO TOUR THE SITE WITH HIM.

UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, AND I ENDED UP JUST GOING UP THERE BY MYSELF. I HAD RECEIVED A EMAIL FROM A MISS LANTHIER, AND I HAD ADVISED HER TO ATTEND THE COMMISSION MEETING AND, YOU KNOW, VOICE OUR CONCERNS. AND I ALSO HAD SPOKEN TO THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND JODY NETWORK, THE IN THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO THE DEVELOPER OR THE STAFF. I HAVE AN EMAIL HERE FROM EMILY LANTHIER AND IF THE CLERK ALREADY HAS IT, BUT IT CAN BE PUT IN THE RECORD. THANK YOU. I DID RECEIVE THAT AS WELL. AND I'M HERE WITH AN OPEN MIND. I THINK I TALKED TO MR. SCHULTZ THE LAST TIME I HEARD YOU TALKING UP THERE. THAT WAS THE LAST TIME I SAW YOU. YES, THANKS. AND MR. HERRING ALSO, MR. CULP. YEAH. TALK WITH THE APPLICANT, NICK, MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT IT. I TALKED WITH LEE AFTER THE LAST MEETING. I HAD EMAILS COME IN, AND I ALSO MET WITH SOME CITY STAFF MEMBERS.

DO YOU WANT ME TO NAME THE CITY STAFF MEMBERS THAT WERE IN THE MEETING THIS MORNING? MIGHT AS WELL. IT WAS RUTH HOLMES, JODY, MILTON, LEE AND ROZ WERE IN THE MEETING THIS MORNING THAT WE HAD AT 1030. IT WAS ACTUALLY GOOD CONVERSATION, BY THE WAY. NICK, LIKE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT PETS AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. SO I'VE SPOKEN TO STAFF AND THEN I ALSO RECEIVED THE EMAIL FROM MISS EMILY. OKAY. LEE, WOULD YOU PLEASE PLACE ANY POTENTIAL WITNESSES UNDER OATH? WILL ALL POTENTIAL WITNESSES FOR THE APPLICANT AND CITY STAFF PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE SWORN IN? DO YOU AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO

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SO THIS IS THE FINAL READING. WILL THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT PLEASE PROVIDE A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE AGENDA ITEM, INCLUDING THE LOCATION, SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, CURRENT ZONING, ZONING REQUESTED, AND LIST THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO DEVIATE FROM THE LAND USE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. IF THERE ARE ANY. AND INTERJECT REAL QUICK. MAYOR. THAT IS LANGUAGE IN OUR CODE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO I DID ADD, IF ANY, AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, AND IF JODY WOULD PLEASE CLARIFY WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE ASKING TO DEVIATE FROM THE CODE OR WHATNOT IN HER PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JAY CUTLER, THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF STUART. TONIGHT I'M PRESENTING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. THE APPLICANT, AVONLEA COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, LLC, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE NEW AVONLEA PUD TO FOUR PARCEL D, LOT 11. THIS IS ONE OF THE FINAL FIVE UNDEVELOPED PARCELS WITHIN THE NEW AVONLEA PD TO BE DEVELOPED. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT SPECIAL AREA PURSUANT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, THE APPLICANT MAILED NOTICES TO ALL ADJACENT OWNERS WITHIN 300FT OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL TO PROVIDE THE DETAILS OF TONIGHT'S MEETING DATE AND TIME, AND ALSO ADDITIONALLY ADDED SIGNS TO SHOW THE SAME INFORMATION. THE VACANT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF NORTHEAST DIXIE HIGHWAY AND CARDINAL AVENUE.

THE CURRENT ZONING IS A COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, AND THE FUTURE LAND USE IS NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIAL DISTRICT. THE REASON FOR THE APPLICATION IS ACCORDING TO OUR CITY CODE, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 11.0 1.10 FRIENDS BE FRIENDS, ONE F OF THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STATES THAT A CHANGE IN THE SITE PLAN OR APPROVAL REGARDING ANY AREA SET ASIDE AND DESIGNATED FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE CATEGORIZED AS A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, AND AS SUCH, BE PROCESSED AS IF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS NEW. REZONING APPLICATION. IN SECTION 11.01 .09 OF THE CITY OF STUARTS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IN 2015, THE NEW AVONLEA PD WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY OF STUART COMMISSION. THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT SPECIFIES EACH SITE PLAN FOR THE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS WITHIN THE DEVELOPED DEVELOPMENT CONSTITUTES A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE NEW AVONLEA PD. AS OF THE 2000 2015 APPROVAL ESTABLISHED OVERALL DENSITIES AND INTENSITIES, BUT DID NOT INCLUDE APPROVAL OF THE OVERALL SITE. APPROVAL OF THE SITE.

PLANS FOR THE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS. THE PROPOSED MAJOR AMENDMENT DOES NOT INCREASE THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DENSITY OR INTENSITY, AND REMAINS CONSISTENT WITH THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN APPROVED IN 2015. THE SITE PLAN PROPOSES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON THE 0.9 ACRES, PROPOSED ONE STORY STRUCTURES DESIGNATED TO ACCOMMODATE A MIX OF USES INCLUDING RETAIL, OFFICE, MEDICAL, RESTAURANT AND PERSONAL SERVICES ESTABLISHMENTS. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THE REQUEST REQUIRE 35 PARKING SPACES, INCLUDING 188 COMPLIANCE SPACE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROPOSED OFFICE, MEDICAL AND PERSONNEL SERVICES. THE APPLICANT HAS INCORPORATED THE THE REQUIRED FOUR ELEMENTS, WHICH INCLUDES STOREFRONT WINDOWS, WOOD COLUMNS AND BRACKETS, AND METAL CANOPIES. THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR THE BUILDING IS 25FT 23FT. THIS JUST SHOWS THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS. AND THE. THE LANDSCAPE PLAN INCLUDES A DIVERSE MIX MIX OF CANOPY AND ORNAMENTAL PLANTINGS. OH, IT'S NOT GOING. SORRY, I WONDER. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME READING IT.

I'M SORRY. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. WHERE'S DARREN? THERE. IS IT STOPPED? I AM I APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT. I NEED YOUR HELP. REBELLIOUS POWERPOINT. THERE WE GO. A LOT EASIER TO READ. THERE YOU GO. MAGIC TOUCH. JUST HAVING DARREN HERE MAKES ME FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE. SO IF YOU DON'T, DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH EACH SLIDE AND JUST KIND OF GO, NO. OKAY. PICK UP WHERE YOU WERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT. YEAH. THIS IS MUCH BETTER. OKAY. THE

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THERE IT IS. GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, JORDAN MISSIMER WITH KOTLIN HEARING HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANT. FIRST, AS ALWAYS, IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU ALL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR REPRESENTING YOUR CITY. WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO. I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO WHAT STAFF STATED DURING THE PRESENTATION. JUST A FEW POINTS THAT I'D LIKE TO ADD. WE WON'T REPEAT ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE WENT OVER DURING THE LAST MEETING, BUT THERE'S JUST A FEW FACTORS OR FEW ITEMS THAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT FROM OUR PROJECT TEAM. WE DO HAVE OUR ENVIRONMENTAL EXPERT, ARNO HERE, AS WELL AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF ELKHORN ENGINEERING, IF THERE'S ANY CIVIL RELATED QUESTIONS. SO AGAIN, JUST A SUMMARY. WE'RE REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR A 6827 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL ONE STORY DEVELOPMENT ON POINT NINE ACRES OF AN EXISTING APPROVED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. AND THE REASON BEHIND THIS COMING BEFORE THE BOARD IS THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL. AS PART OF THAT PUD APPROVAL THAT REQUIRED ANY FORMAL SITE PLAN TO COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD, REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OR INTENSITY. SO THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL APPLICABLE CITY, COUNTY AND STATE CODES AND REQUIREMENTS. THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED AVONLEA PUD. THE PROPOSED SITE PLANS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY ALL CITY'S DEVELOPMENT REVIEW DEPARTMENTS, AND THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN WAS UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY THE CRB BOARD. THE SITE LOCATION WE'VE BEEN OVER ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE APPROVED PUD. WE ARE LESS THAN HALF OF THE APPROVED INTENSITY FOR THE SITE IS AS APPROVED ON THE PUD.

LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN IN TERMS OF ITS SURROUNDING USES, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY ENVISIONED AS A COMMERCIAL PARCEL TO SUPPORT SOME OF THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES THAT WERE DEVELOPED, SO PROVIDING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SERVICE WITHIN AN AREA OF RESIDENTIAL IMPORTANT FROM WALKABILITY PERSPECTIVE. WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME DESIGNING PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE FOR SIDEWALKS TO PROMOTE THAT WALKABILITY AND BIKING AND VARIOUS EFFORTS. SO PROVIDING NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SERVICES IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THAT EFFORT IN PLANNING EXERCISE. SO A FEW FACTS ABOUT THE SITE PLAN. AGAIN, WE MEET OR EXCEED ALL

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BUT THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION FOR THIS EVENING. SO IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PRIOR INFORMATION OR INFORMATION TONIGHT, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. AND WE DO HAVE AGAIN HAVE OUR ENGINEER AND OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. YES. OH SORRY. SOME MIGHT BE QUESTIONS AND SOME MIGHT BE STATEMENTS AS WELL.

AND THEN THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER OR STAFF GEORGE WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT INTENSITY WHEN I MET WITH STAFF THIS MORNING I LEARNED A LOT. AND AND BY THE WAY, LIKE I'M NOT AGAINST YOUR PROJECT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S MY STUFF IS MORE FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES AND FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WHAT GOES ON WITH THESE PUDS. SO MASTER SITE PLAN COMES INTO THE CITY, RIGHT? IT GETS LAID OUT WITH THE MASTER SITE PLAN NOW AND THEN YOU COME IN FOR A PUD AMENDMENT. WHEN THE MASTER SITE PLAN WAS ORIGINALLY DONE, YOU MENTIONED IT WAS 20,000 SQUARE FOOT. CORRECT, 15 OR 15,000. SO LIKE, YES, YOU'RE DOING HALF OF IT NOW. SO THE INTENSITY IS LESS, BUT WOULD IT STILL FUNCTION OFF THE MASTER SITE PLAN THE 15,000 IF YOU GUYS CHOSE TO DO IT. SO LIKE. NOT REALLY SURE WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT, BUT LIKE IT MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU VERBALLY SAY IT, BUT IT DOESN'T LOGICALLY OR PHYSICALLY WORK IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. SO IN PRACTICE, WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS COULD WE PHYSICALLY BUILD 15,000FT■!S IF WE WANTED TO? AND THE ANSWER IS YES. WOULD IT BE FINANCIALLY REASONABLE TO DO SO OR WOULD IT FUNCTION? PROBABLY NOT. AND IT WOULD FUNCTION. I MEAN, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT BUILDING STRATEGIES THAT YOU COULD USE FROM PODIUM PARKING TO, YOU KNOW, EVEN STRUCTURED PARKING IF YOU REALLY WENT THAT FAR WITH IT. THIS DESIGN IS A LESS INTENSE OPTION. IT'S MORE NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDLY, IT'S MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA. SO WE DIDN'T GO THAT ROUTE. BUT I'VE LEARNED THAT WITH WITH PRESENTERS, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS AND I RESPECT YOU GUYS FOR WHAT YOU DO, EVEN IF SOMETIMES WE'RE ON OPPOSING TEAMS I GUESS, OR ME PROVIDING INPUT. BUT IT WAS JUST A WEIRD ANALOGY, I GUESS, ON HOW SOMETIMES IT'S PRESENTED, NOT JUST FROM YOU GUYS, FROM FROM OTHER PEOPLE. AND I ALSO LEARNED THAT, YOU KNOW, MARTIN COUNTY DOESN'T DO WETLAND MITIGATION AT ALL. AND WHAT I'VE LEARNED WITH A LOT OF THESE MASTER SITE PLANS, IF YOU HAVE LIKE WETLANDS OVER HERE, YOU CAN GET THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT AND YOU CAN ALMOST LIKE RESTORE, I GUESS, WETLANDS OR KIND OF LIKE MOVE IN, ALLEVIATE THEM, I BELIEVE. AND IF I'M WRONG ON ANYTHING THAT I'M SAYING, I HOPE SOMEONE CORRECTS ME. NO, YOU'RE ACCURATE. IT'S IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROGRAM AND PART OF SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WHERE THEY ALLOW MITIGATION. WETLAND MITIGATION.

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GOOD EVENING. VICE MAYOR. MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS, I'M HEATH STOCKTON, REPRESENTING THE ER, AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN. I WAS JUST INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT TODAY. SO THE EXACT SIZE OF THE PIPES UNDER THAT ROADWAY, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I KNOW THERE ARE DUAL. DID YOU SAY YOU WERE JUST INTRODUCED TO THIS PROJECT? TODAY? I'M REPRESENTING THE POOR WHO HAD TO STEP AWAY FOR A FAMILY ISSUE THIS AFTERNOON. SO I WAS CALLED IN AT LITERALLY 4:00 TO COME OVER HERE, BUT I UNDERSTAND I REVIEWED THE PLANS ON THE WAY IN. THERE ARE DUAL COVERED CULVERTS, SPOKE ABOUT UNDER CARDINAL ROAD THAT TRANSPORT, THAT NATURAL OVERFLOW OVERLAND FLOW DOWN ACROSS THE ROAD DISCHARGES INTO THE WETLAND ON THE WEST SIDE OF THERE, LOT 11. AND THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED THE THEY'RE ACTUALLY EXTENDING THOSE CULVERTS TO BRING IT PAST THEIR PROPERTY LINE TO ENSURE THAT IT DOES REACH THE WETLAND IS NOT IMPACTED BY ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THEIR LOT. 11 OKAY. SO AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, YOU'RE EXTENDING THOSE THROUGH AND PAST THE THE DUAL COVERAGE, CORRECT? YES. AND AND RIGHT NOW IS EVERYTHING FUNCTIONING PROPERLY FROM TEN TO YOU? TEN IS NOT CONNECTED AT THE MOMENT TO THAT SITE BECAUSE IT IS EACH OF THESE LOTS, WHEN THEY'RE DEVELOPED, HAVE TO HAVE THEIR OWN PRETREATMENT SYSTEM ON SITE BEFORE THEY'RE CONNECTED TO THE MAIN STORMWATER SYSTEM. SO RIGHT NOW THAT LOT TEN HAS AN EXISTING WETLAND THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN MITIGATED. BUT THAT'S WHAT I IMAGINE THEY SAW THE PICTURES OF. THERE'S PROBABLY STILL SOME STANDING WATER IN THAT LOT TEN BUT ONCE IT IS FULLY DEVELOPED, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS PUT IN PLACE. IT WILL RECEIVE THE PRETREATMENT ON SITE. THEN IT'LL BE DISCHARGED TO THE OVERALL MASTER SYSTEM, WHICH IS NOT YET CONNECTED TO. SO THE CULVERT THAT EXISTS NOW DOES NOT CONNECT TO TEN. IT CONNECTS THROUGH TEN. I DON'T I CAN'T TELL YOU IF THERE'S AN INLET ON THERE. I CAN PULL UP SOME PLANS AND FIND OUT. BUT IT DOES CONNECT TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST. YEAH. SO YOU GOT A POINTER I DON'T LOT TEN IS TO THE WEST ALSO. YEAH. ALRIGHT. YOU CAN COME UP AND TALK ABOUT IT. SO ABOUT TEN IS TO THE WEST UNDEVELOPED AND ITS DOWNSTREAM FROM LOT 11. SO THE EXISTING PIPE THAT IT'S TO THE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. MY BAD. IS THAT TRIANGLE TO THE RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THERE'S AN EXISTING PIPE THAT WAS UNDERNEATH CARDINAL. YOU GOT A DOCK. HIS PAY NICK. YOU GOT HE GOT A FACT WRONG. YEAH. DO YOUR HOMEWORK. I KNOW YOU'RE OUT THERE JUST RECENTLY. SURE. GOOD EVENING. I DIDN'T MEAN TO CHASE YOU OFF THE MIC. NO.

YOU'RE GOOD. GOD, I'M SORRY. I WASN'T TRYING TO BE A BULLY. I'M SORRY. JUSTIFIED. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ANA RUANO. ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS. I HAVE GOOD FAMILIARITY WITH THE OVERALL PUD. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH SEVERAL OF THESE PROJECTS OVER THE YEARS. FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS, I'VE BEEN ON MOST OF THOSE PARCELS ON FOOT. SO A LOT, LOT TEN IS SCHEDULED OR AUTHORIZED FOR DEVELOPMENT. IT HAS A DITCH THAT IS REMNANT OF A PRIOR DRAINAGE EFFORT THAT'S NOT RELATED TO ANY DEVELOPMENT. THIS WAS PRIOR TO RULES PRIOR TO THE PUD ITSELF. SO IT'S OLD HISTORIC DITCHES THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED 50, 60 YEARS AGO. THAT DITCH IS NOT CONNECTED TO THE WETLAND THAT'S ON SITE ON LOT TEN, WHICH EXPLAINS WHY WHEN IT RAINS, THE WETLAND REMAINS SOMETIME OVERFLOWS OVER THE ROAD, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT'S NOT CURRENTLY CONNECTED, IT'S NOT FUNCTIONAL. THERE'S THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, BUT IT'S NOT TRULY FUNCTIONAL FOR FOR HAVING THAT FLOW COME THROUGH THAT SMALL SEGMENT OF

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IT WAS NEVER FROM MY FIRSTHAND OBSERVATION ON SITE. THERE WAS NO CONNECTION TO THE WETLAND.

THAT'S ON LOT TEN, HENCE WHY THE WETLANDS STILL EXIST WILL FLOOD. BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING INTO PARCEL 11 IS ANTICIPATING AND ABLE TO CONNECT TO THE DRAINAGE THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS IN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS PLANNED AS PART OF TEN TO TO ALLOW THAT FLOW TO ULTIMATELY HAPPEN PROPERLY. CORRECT? RIGHT. AND NOT TO STEP OVER THE ENGINEER.

YES. THE THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN DESIGNED IN THE ANTICIPATION THAT NOTHING WILL BE BUILT IN.

THE SYSTEM WILL BE ABLE TO CARRY THAT FLOW ONCE CONNECTED. PERFECT. AND THE THE THE WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, THE BASE, THE THE BACKBONE OF IT WAS BUILT IN 2006, I THINK AS PART OF THE WETLAND MITIGATION AND SO ON. SO EVERYTHING HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR OVER 20 YEARS TO MAINTAIN THAT FLOW FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS AS BUILDING IS HAPPENING ON THE DIFFERENT LOTS.

OKAY. AND YOU SAID CURRENTLY SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT REVIEWS THIS FLOW THROUGH HERE OR. NO THERE'S NO. REVIEW THERE MAYBE. YEAH. SO WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY STARTED DEVELOPING AVONLEA THEY HAD TO GET AN OVERALL SITE A PERMIT. AND EVERY TIME ONE OF THESE LOTS COME OUT THEY MODIFY THAT PERMIT TO ADD THIS, THIS PARTICULAR LOT ON THE SYSTEM, AND THEY HAD TO SHOW THE DESIGN PLANS OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO CONNECT AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DRAIN. SO IT JUST SEEMS STRANGE THAT THERE WOULD BE NO INTENT TO HAVE IT FUNCTION PROPERLY UNTIL IT'S FULLY DEVELOPED. YOU KNOW, THE PART OF THAT PROCESS WOULD BE MAKING SURE. IT'S IT'S NOT SO MUCH IT'S NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT FUNCTION PROPERLY. IT'S MAINTAINING THE FUNCTION FUNCTION AS IS. SO WHEN THE PERMIT WAS ISSUED IN 2006, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME WELL, THE INTENT IS NOT TO MODIFY, NOT TO OVER DRAIN SOMETHING OR, OR OR FLOOD SOMETHING. SO. RIGHT. CORRECT. THE WETLAND ON LOT TEN WAS NOT CONNECTED TO THAT HISTORICAL DITCH. THE PERMIT KEPT THAT IN PLACE IN 2006 DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, UNTIL IT IS FULLY APPROVED AT ALL LEVEL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL. OKAY, NICK, FOR THE RECORD, I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT THE WHAT ENDS UP BEING BUILT ON PARCEL TEN HAS WILL DICTATE ULTIMATELY WHAT THAT STORMWATER SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE ON THAT SITE.

SO YOU COULD GO OUT THERE AND SPEND A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON A STORMWATER SYSTEM FOR LOT TEN, AND THEN ULTIMATELY IT HAS TO BE CHANGED OR IT GETS MOVED AROUND. I MEAN, THE DITCH IS AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, IT PROBABLY GOES BACK TO FRANK'S DAD'S DAYS OF OWNING THIS PROPERTY OUT HERE. THAT WAS JUST THE OLD SYSTEM FOR GETTING WATER, YOU KNOW, OUT OF ALL OF THOSE PLACES. AND SO, LIKE THAT DITCH AT SOME POINT IN TIME, CONNECTED TO WHERE RIVER NORTH APARTMENTS ARE. AND THERE WAS LITERALLY A DITCH THROUGH RIVER NORTH. AND WHEN THEY BUILT RIVER NORTH, THEY PUT A STORMWATER SYSTEM IN THERE THAT WAS DESIGNED BY AN ENGINEER AND INCLUDED, YOU KNOW, BASINS AND PRETREATMENT, POST-TREATMENT DISCHARGE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SO NOT KNOWING WHAT IS ULTIMATELY GOING ON, PARCEL TEN IS WHAT KEEPS THAT FROM BEING A DESIGNED SYSTEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR FOR THE DETAILS. VICE MAYOR I GOT A QUESTION, NICK, ON THIS. SO SORRY. SO AND I UNDERSTAND I, I BELIEVE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. ANY PARCEL OR LOT THAT'S OVER ONE ACRE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT. YOU HAVE TO GET A PERMIT OR OR IS IT THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT THAT TRIGGERS A SOUTH FLORIDA WATER SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT? I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS. I MEAN, THIS IS A FROM SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE. THIS IS A 50 ACRE PARCEL, RIGHT. SO EVERYTHING'S DESIGNED BASED ON THE 50 ACRES AND WHAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE THERE. WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT'S DEVELOPMENT, WHAT'S OPEN SPACE, WHAT'S RETENTION, WHAT'S WETLAND WAS ALL DICTATED IN THAT ORIGINAL SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT. SO. THIS ISN'T LIKE A RANDOM POINT NINE ACRE LOT IN, YOU KNOW, STUART SOMEWHERE. IT'S IT'S PART OF THAT 50 ACRE PUD. YEAH.

WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE. AND THAT THAT SPEAKS ADDITIONALLY TO, YOU KNOW, ITS PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF PRESERVE AREAS AND ITS PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF, OF THE, YOU KNOW, WETLAND AREAS AND YOU KNOW, IN IN ESSENCE, THIS PROPERTY HAS A 40% OPEN SPACE DEDICATION BECAUSE OF ITS PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF THOSE OPEN SPACES AND WETLANDS THAT WERE PRESERVED AS PART OF THE PUD. THE 42%, I THINK, IS THE NUMBER OF THE 49 ACRES THAT WAS PUT INTO PRESERVATION. WE'VE CHANGED THE LAND USE ON IT TO CONSERVATION. IT'S BEEN DEEDED OVER TO THE

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SO LIKE LOT TEN WHEN IT DOES GET DEVELOPED AND HOW THEY HAVE THE FLOW SO THEY'RE DOING THEIR SIDE. DOES THAT MASTER ASSOCIATION HAVE TO EVER HAVE TO MODIFY STUFF THAT THEY HAVE.

DOES THAT HAPPEN OR NO. IT'S JUST NO. THE TEN I MEAN IT IN DIFFERENT PUDS. IT COULD HAPPEN.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE COMPLEXITY OF THE SYSTEM. I MEAN, THE WAY THIS SYSTEM WORKS, LIKE THOSE BLUE LINES, LIKE THERE'S ACTUALLY A CULVERT BETWEEN LIKE WHERE THOSE TWO WETLANDS COME CLOSEST TO TOUCHING. THERE'S ACTUALLY A STRUCTURE AND A PIPE UNDERGROUND AND ANOTHER STRUCTURE WHERE WATER WILL WILL. AND THE REASON FOR THE STRUCTURE THERE IS SO THAT THAT WETLAND DOESN'T JUST DRY OUT. SO THE WATER JUST DOESN'T RUN OUT OF IT IN WET SEASON OR DRY SEASON. SO IT'S DESIGNED TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN ELEVATION OF WATER AS IT GOES AND GETS CLOSER AND CLOSER TO HANEY CREEK, BECAUSE YOU WANT THAT WATER TO SIT AND YOU WANT IT TO, YOU KNOW, NUTRIENT LOAD OR UNLOAD OR OR YOU KNOW, YOU WANT IT TO DO ITS THING IN A IN A CALMER FASHION. AND THEN ONCE THE LEVEL RISES, IT CRESTS THE WEIR AND THE WEIR. THE WATER FLOWS OUT INTO THE NEXT BASIN. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU CAN DRIVE BY THERE AND BE LIKE, OH, THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, AS GOD CREATED IT. BUT FRANK, YOU KNOW, PUT A BUNCH OF PIPES IN THE GROUND OUT THERE AND IT'S IT'S PART OF A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, EVEN TEN OR SO YEARS BEFORE WE GOT INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT.

AND AS JODY, IS THIS THE MAXIMUM INTENSITY OR DENSITY? I KNOW THE SQUARE IF WE BASE IT OFF A SQUARE FOOTAGE. BUT AS FAR AS LIKE THE USAGE, THE USAGES THAT THEY'RE GOING FOR FOR THIS, LIKE GEORGE SAID, I MEAN, WE COULD DO 15,000FT■!S THERE. WE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, 3 OR 4 STORIES. WE WOULD HAVE PARKING UNDERNEATH OR STRUCTURED. I MEAN, IT JUST DOESN'T FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IN THE FIRST HEARING, YOU KNOW, I SPOKE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAW, I THINK IT WAS OVER 400,000FT■!S OF COMMERCIAL SPACE AT THE HIGH GROUP HAD PROPOSED OR NEAR 400,000FT■!S. I MEAN, THAT PLAN WAS, YOU KNOW, HARDENING ALL OF THE EDGES WITH RETAINING WALLS.

IT WAS BUILDING STRUCTURED PARKING. IT WAS MAXING OUT HEIGHT. I MEAN, THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT PLAN THAN WHAT HAD BEEN APPROVED BACK IN 2005. SO, YOU KNOW, THE THE INTENSITY, YOU KNOW, IN THEORY, WE COULD GET THERE. I MEAN, PART OF MY GOAL IN THE 2015 APPROVAL WAS TO LESSEN THAT DENSITY. YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T FIT STUART. SO I DIDN'T WANT TO SEE IT BUILT.

SO I, YOU KNOW, CHANGED IT. BUT YOU KNOW, HERE IN THE REALITY I MEAN GROUND FLOOR RETAIL IS GOING TO DO BETTER THERE THAN SECOND FLOOR OFFICE. SO THAT'S JUST ECONOMICS AT PLAY. AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I ASKED NICK I'M NOT TRYING TO GET LIKE A GOTCHA MOMENT LIKE I GOTCHA. TO ME IF I WAS IN YOUR SHOES, IT'S IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN ODD ARGUMENT. I GUESS IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE COULD DO X, Y, Z, BUT WE'RE GIVING YOU THIS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I DON'T THINK I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANY KUDOS IN IT. I MEAN, I'M SIMPLY TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE THAT I'M BELOW THE, THE INTENSITY. SO IF INTENSITY IS AND DENSITY IS WHAT WE'RE OPPOSED TO IN THIS DAY AND AGE, WE'RE WE'RE COMPLYING AND WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO FIT THE, YOU KNOW, SPIRIT OF STUART WITH A SINGLE STORY. YOU KNOW, INLINE RETAIL BUILDING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 7000FT■!S I MEAN, YOU KNO, IT'S GOING TO BE THREE TENANTS IF THAT. AND YOU KNOW IT'LL IT'LL SERVICE SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS UP THAT WAY THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, COME TO BE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS. SO THAT'S THE GOAL. YEAH. HOPEFULLY I'M NOT INAPPROPRIATE WITH ANY OF MY COMMENT. I'M, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL AS POSSIBLE. BUT I ALSO TRY TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT ARE MORE INTRICATE THAN JUST, HEY, LET'S SEE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN OR HEY, LET'S SEE THE PARKING LOT AND STUFF. I WANT TO KNOW HOW IT FUNCTIONS AND ALL. FAIR GAME. THANKS. DOES THE PETITIONER WISH TO OFFER ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BEFORE CONCLUDING ITS PRESENTATION? OKAY, THE PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE HAS ENDED. THE HEARING IS CLOSED.

DOES ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO MAKE A COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENT IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. RAJ PATEL I DO HAVE ONE. RAJ PATEL YOU'RE THE GUY. YEAH. WAITED. I RAJ PATEL GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MAYOR. WELL DONE. YES. JUST TO DEVIATE FROM ALL THE INTERESTING STUFF

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I'M DOING A DEVELOPMENT IN TRADITION RIGHT NOW. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SETTING UP DOCTOR'S OFFICES AND TRYING TO DO A MINI HOSPITAL AND STUFF. SO EACH ONE, AS THEY DEVELOP, THEY DRAIN ONTO ONE PARCEL, THE OTHER PARCEL DRAINS ONTO ANOTHER, AND THEN EACH ONE DEVELOPS ITS OWN.

OUTFLOW AND GETS APPROVED BY SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO DO A LITTLE I JUST I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT, 7000FT■!S, APPROXIMATELY 46% OF DENSITY USAGE, WHICH IS GREAT. I SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE. I COULD HAVE, I WOULD HAVE. YOU GOT ROOM FOR A HOTEL ON THAT, RIGHT? YEAH, BUT I KNOW, BUT 46% IS GOOD. AND I THINK ANCILLARY SERVICES ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD. I BUILT A SHOPPING CENTER IN CROSSTOWN PARKWAY. CROSSTOWN PARKWAY WAS DESIGNED FOR JUST LIKE A COMMUTER TYPE THING, LESS COMMERCIAL. BUT WE ACTUALLY BOUGHT THE PARCEL FROM NICK. BUT WE BUILT A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT, JUST SHOPS, 15,000FT■!S. EVERYBODY LOVES IT. PIZZA SHOP, DUNKIN DONUTS, EVERYONE'S USING IT. IT'S BUSY PARKING LOTS FULL, JUST EXISTING PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE.

AND THE FACT THAT YOU ARE APPROVED. THE PRIOR GENTLEMAN'S ZONING REQUIREMENT WAS GOOD BECAUSE THAT'S ANCILLARY. AND I REALLY HOPE YOU GUYS APPROVE THIS PROJECT. NICK'S A GOOD GUY.

STEWART RESIDENT, BUILT A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. WONDERFUL. GOOD FAMILY. I WAS TOTALLY AGAINST IT UNTIL YOU SAID THAT. NOW NOW I'M IN. I MEAN, I JUST SOMETIMES I FEEL, YOU KNOW, THE ODDS ARE STACKED AGAINST NICK SOMETIMES, AND I JUST. I JUST WISH YOU LOOK AT IT. EVERYBODY LOVES NICK. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? SAVED BY THE BIRTHDAY, MISS FAMILY. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT, BUT THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU FOR WAITING. OH YOU'RE WELCOME. MAYOR, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? NO. ALRIGHT. SEEING NONE. CAN WE GET A MOTION? ALREADY HAVE A MOTION. WE KNOW THAT THIS ONE I DON'T THINK PROBABLY SHALL BE PROVIDED. MR. RICHARDS TRYING TO MAKE A MOTION. THERE YOU GO. DID SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION? SORRY. ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION? NO, HE'S NOT MAKING A MOTION. OKAY. NO MOTION. MR. MAYOR, WITH REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, YOU NEED SOMETHING. ATTORNEY? NO. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, AVONLEA. COMMERCIAL CORNERS EAST. MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE PUD. ORDINANCE NUMBER 25, 50, 20, 26. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AS READ AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS PROVIDED. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY.

DO WE NEED TO CLARIFY THE MOTION OR NO? GOOD. OKAY. MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PUBLIC COMMENT? WE DID, WE DID, WE DID. SORRY. OKAY. VICE MAYOR READ. YES, COMMISSIONER. RICH. YES, COMMISSIONER. JOB. YES, MAYOR. COLLINS. YES, COMMISSIONER. CLERK. YES. IT CAN'T BE UNANIMOUS, GUYS. COME ON. THAT'S FANTASTIC. LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE GET INTO HALF CENT SALES TAX. THANKS. THANKS FOR DO YOU NEED ? YOU CAN JUST GIVE IT BACK TO YOU BEFORE YOU LEAVE. THAT'S FINE. WE'RE BACK ON. OKAY, LET'S LET'S RECONVENE THIS

[10. BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND SUGGESTIONS REGARDING HALF CENT SALES TAX]

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MAYBE IT COULD. MAYBE THE RECREATIONAL VALUE OF IT CAN BE ENHANCED. MAYBE PUBLIC ACCESS CAN BE ENHANCED. MAYBE IT COULD ALSO ACT AS A STORMWATER ENHANCEMENT. SO INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF HAVING TO SPEND OTHER MONEY ON STORMWATER PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, CAN CAN

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SO THAT MAY NOT, MAY OR MAY NOT BE COVERED BY THE HALF CENT SALES TAX. AND THE HALF CENT SALES TAX IS ONLY A TEN YEAR PERIOD. SO IT'S NOT. THE HALF CENT SALES TAX IS NOT GOING TO BE IN PLACE IN PERPETUITY. IT'S JUST FOR TEN YEARS. SO IT'S ANOTHER THING TO HAVE TO TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT AS YOU GO FORWARD. SO THE THIRD STEP IS THE PROCESS FOR APPROVAL. IN OTHER WORDS, HOW COULD A PROPERTY ACQUISITION OR PROJECT COME INTO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION? AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON HOW OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DO THIS AND HOW THE STATE OF FLORIDA DOES IT TOO. FIRST OF ALL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IS PRETTY IMPORTANT FOR OTHER GOVERNMENTS IS THAT THERE BE A STANDARD APPLICATION PROCESS.

SO EVERYTHING IS APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON. AND AND WITH THAT, SHOULD THERE ALSO BE AN EVALUATION COMMITTEE WHO LET'S SAY YOU GET TEN PROPOSALS UNDER WITH THESE STANDARD APPLICATIONS. WHO'S GOING TO REVIEW THOSE. WHO'S GOING TO APPLY ALL OF THOSE. THE CRITERIA THAT ARE THE PRIORITIES THAT YOU ULTIMATELY CHOOSE. SO WHAT A LOT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DO IS THEY ESTABLISH A AN EVALUATION COMMITTEE, COMMITTEES, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, THE SOPHISTICATION OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AT STAKE WILL ALSO DETERMINE THE LEVEL OF EXPERTISE THAT'S ON ANY PARTICULAR COMMITTEE. A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S VOLUNTEERS FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WANT TO WANT TO BE INVOLVED BASED ON THEIR EXPERTISE. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO IN THE CITY OF STUART. YOU HAVE VERY, VERY GOOD QUALIFIED STAFF THAT ALSO ARE, TO ME THAT BE VERY OBJECTIVE AND KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE CITY'S INTERESTS AND ABOUT MOVING FORWARD. YOU KNOW WHAT MAKES SENSE FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE? WHAT MAKES SENSE FROM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO DO A DUAL PURPOSE WITH STORMWATER, YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT COULD HELP WITH THAT. THE NEXT THING AFTER YOU GO THROUGH THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE IS THEY KIND OF TEAR IT DOWN, JUST LIKE YOU'RE DOING WITH THE CITY MANAGER PROCESS. YOU HAVE ALL THESE APPLICATIONS THAT COME IN. YOU HAVE A FEW PEOPLE THAT WEED OUT THE ONES THAT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU HAVE A A CORE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT THAT ARE RECOMMENDED TO THE COMMISSION TO BE INTERVIEWED, THE SAME, SAME TYPE OF THING HERE. AND IT'S ALL BASED ON THE PUBLIC PURPOSE YOU WANT. YOU WANT YOUR TAX MONEY TO BE SPENT AS WISELY AS POSSIBLE. AND THE WAY THAT YOU'VE DONE IT WITH YOUR WITH YOUR CITY MANAGER IS THE SAME WAY THAT PEOPLE, OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DO WITH THIS TYPE OF SALES TAX MONEY. AND ONCE THE EVALUATIONS COME IN AGAIN, THOSE PROPOSALS ARE ARE NARROWED DOWN TO THE BEST BASED ON YOUR EVALUATION CRITERIA AND YOUR PRIORITIES. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THEY WOULD BE PUT ON YOUR AGENDA AND YOU WOULD DECIDE TO GO FORWARD WITH, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE IT'S THE TOP THREE. MAYBE IT'S THE TOP FIVE, MAYBE IT'S THE TOP TWO.

WHATEVER IT IS, MAYBE IT'S ONE. AND THEN THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE AWARE OF IS YOU.

IF YOU'RE PURCHASING PROPERTY, YOU MAY HAVE TO DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S RATIONAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS. YOU MAY YOU MAY NEED ENGINEERING CONSULTATION, AND THEN YOU MAY NEED ADDITIONAL LEGAL WORK. AND THAT'S THAT'S THE EXTENT OF WHAT I WANTED TO IMPART ON YOU TODAY. I'VE ALSO PROVIDED IN THE AGENDA. SOME IDEAS THAT WITH THE EVALUATION CRITERIA, HOW OTHER GOVERNMENTS RANK THEIR PRIORITIES. AND OF COURSE, THERE ARE SOME TYPES OF PRIORITIES THAT YOU MAY WANT TO GIVE MORE WEIGHT TO. THAT'S YOUR DECISION TO MAKE. IF YOU

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NOW THAT WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH, YOU KNOW THE RULES, RIGHT? WHAT WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE IN TERMS OF IT BEING RECREATIONAL FOR CONSERVATION, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE CAN BE INVOLVED.

I SEE YOUR TWO PATHS, MAYBE MORE. MORE LIKE DO YOU START HEAD HUNTING OPPORTUNITIES OF OF LAND TO PURCHASE OR PROJECTS TO GET INVOLVED WITH AND THEN BOND OUT? YOU KNOW WHAT THE OVERALL SALES TAX IS LIKELY TO BE LIKE, KIND OF WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING. OR DO YOU TAKE IT AS YOU HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE? SORT OF GO STEP BY STEP AS OPPORTUNITIES PRESENT THEMSELVES? I THINK THAT TO ME, THAT'S KIND OF YOUR, YOU KNOW, AND IN IN THE CASE OF OPTION ONE, THAT WOULD MAKE PROBABLY MORE SENSE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF COMMITTEE, MAYBE, OR AT LEAST PRETTY IN-DEPTH PRESENTATION AS TO EVERY POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY THAT'S AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW. AND THEN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE AND HOW MUCH MONEY IS GOING TO BE COMING IN. AND THEN IF WE WANT TO BOND, THAT I WOULD RATHER NOT GO IN THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A LITTLE INTENSIVE AND WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT IN THE WORLD SALES TAX LOOKS LIKE IN THE FUTURE. AND I THINK IT'S EVEN THOUGH PROPERTY MAY GET MORE EXPENSIVE, MAKE IT LESS EXPENSIVE, WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE BRINGS? TAKING IT STEP BY STEP AS WE GO AND LOOKING AT WHAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW KIND OF MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME. I'VE EXPRESSED MY INTEREST IN NOT THE TWO ACRES ON US. ONE LEE IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON HAVING THAT GO TO REFERENDUM WITH THE COUNTY, BUT OFF OF BAKER ROAD, AND IT MIGHT BE NICE AS WE GET INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT PRIORITIES. AND THIS IS OUR OUR FIRST REFINED DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW, AFTER YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED. BUT OFF OF BAKER DURING THE ARPA FUND TIME, TIM VOLCKER, WHO WAS AN ENGINEER HERE, HAD PUT TOGETHER A PLAN FOR A TRAILHEAD OFF OF BAKER GOING INTO THAT PARCEL OF HANEY CREEK, NOT OFF OF US ONE THERE WHERE WE OWN THAT TWO ACRES, BUT OFF OF BAKER. SO THAT NORTH SIDE. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO LEVERAGE THAT WORK HE'S ALREADY DONE. HE HAD ESTIMATES OF COSTS AT THAT TIME AND A VERY RUDIMENTARY NATURAL KIND OF TRAILHEAD, SORT OF LIKE KIPLINGER, IF YOU'RE EVER AT THE BASE OF VETERANS MEMORIAL.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE PRIORITIES. AND THEN REALLY, THAT TWO ACRES GOING INTO CONSERVATION AT HANEY CREEK, THAT'S THAT'S SORT OF THE TRAJECTORY WE'RE ON RIGHT NOW THAT THAT WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO TO REFERENDUM, AND YOU'D HAVE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY. SO WE HAVE TO AMEND THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY, BECAUSE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TALKED ABOUT FUNDING, THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE USED. THE TWO ACRE PARCEL WAS GOING TO BE USED COMMERCIALLY TO FUND MAINTENANCE OF THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. RIGHT. BUT WE ARE PAYING FOR WHAT WE ARE GOING REFERENCE. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE HAVE. WE ALSO HAVE

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THE TWO ACRES WITH THE REST OF IT, THE, THE THE SEPARATE ISSUE. THEN IF THAT TWO ACRES WOULD NOT BE THE TRAILHEAD, BUT IT WOULD BE PUT INTO CONSERVATION WOULD BE ON THE NORTH. IF YOU GO UP US ONE AND YOU GO ON BAKER RIGHT THERE. I KNOW WHERE IT IS. YEAH. THAT WOULD NOW TURN INTO THAT TRAILHEAD. AND THAT'S WHAT TIM VOLKER HAD PUT TOGETHER WAS A IT'S AN ADDITIONAL TRAILHEAD BECAUSE THERE'S ONE THAT COMES IN NOT ON THAT PARCEL RIGHT THERE THOUGH. THAT PARCEL IS IS IT HAS NO ACCESS TO IT. THE TRAILHEAD IS ON THE OTHER PART WITH THE DOG PARK ON THE SOUTH END. YEAH. SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PARCEL? THAT'S RIGHT THERE? THIS ONE? YEAH. HE HAD LAID OUT A PLAN FOR A LITTLE TRAILHEAD THERE AND TRAILS THAT WOULD GO THROUGH HERE. SO MY, MY INSTEAD OF OVER HERE, THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION FOR THAT WOULD BE THEN. SO ROSS SENT US AN EMAIL WHERE THIS IS IN THE COUNTY. THE PARCEL. YEAH. SO THIS PARCEL IS IN THE COUNTY THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF BAKER ROAD AND US ONE, AND THEY WANT TO DO A GAS STATION THERE, WHICH I BELIEVE IT'S IT MIGHT EVEN BE BY RIGHT. IT'S COMMERCIAL ALREADY AND THAT'S IN THE COUNTY BUT OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. CORRECT. IT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. BUT THEY WANTED TO. HAVE LIKE A PARKING OR AN EXIT ONTO BAKER, ONTO CITY PROPERTY. BUT LIKE IF YOU LEVERAGE THAT FOR THEM TO PAY FOR IT, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN. NO. WELL, BECAUSE BECAUSE WHAT IF THEY GET THE GAS STATION IF THEY GET A GAS STATION THERE? THE LAST THING I WOULD WANT IS LIKE A RACE TRACK. PEOPLE RACING IN AND OUT RIGHT THERE AS YOUR KIDS ARE TRYING TO WALK INTO THE ENTRANCE OF THAT PARK. SO, SO HAVING SEPARATION THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DOES LOGISTICALLY FOR THEM, BUT I WOULD NOT WANT TO SHARE AN ENTRANCE WITH A GAS STATION TO GET INTO THAT PARK, EVEN IF THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE THE MONEY TO TO DO THAT WITH THE ABSENCE. HOW MUCH IS THE SALES TAX? WHAT WAS IT FOR THE LAST 12 MONTHS? THAT WAS MY QUESTION GOING TO BE ABOUT 2 MILLION A YEAR.

THAT'S A NUMBER WE'RE STILL TRYING TO IRON OUT, RIGHT? I HEARD A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TOTALS FOR THAT WHILE JULIE WAS HERE. SO I'M NOT I'M NOT REALLY SURE. HE SAID. THE STATE PROJECTIONS, AS I RECALL, HE SAID THE STATE PROJECTIONS WERE HAD CHANGED. SO I DON'T KNOW.

AND THAT'LL BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION TOO. I THINK MR. MATHESON HAVE AN IDEA FOR THE CITY OF STEWART. MERRITT MATHESON, MARTIN COUNTY FOREVER. AND VICE CHAIR OF THE LLC FOR MARTIN COUNTY, THE OVERSIGHT BOARD FOR THE COUNTY FOR HOW TO USE THESE FUNDS. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROJECTIONS ON ON THE CITY OF STEWART'S REVENUE. I'VE HEARD FROM PRIOR STAFF THAT IT HAS GONE DOWN AND MARTIN COUNTY'S ALLOCATION HAS GONE DOWN, BUT ROUGHLY $20 MILLION A YEAR, IT'S BASED ON POPULATION. YEAH, BETWEEN 18 AND $20 MILLION A YEAR HAS WHAT IS WHAT THE COUNTY HAS RECEIVED. AND STEVE STEWART WOULD GET A PORTION OF THAT BASED ON PERCENTAGES. MARTIN COUNTY HAS GONE DOWN. YEAH, WE COULD GET A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF OURS THEN.

YEAH. YOU'RE CLOSE TO 10%, BUT. RIGHT. LIKE A MILLION. NO, I MEAN GENERAL NUMBERS ONE WOULD BE MILLION ONE, 1.5 TO 1.8 MILLION PER YEAR. I CAN SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TOO, TO MY KNOWLEDGE OF MARTIN COUNTY HAS NOT BONDED THE FUNDING. AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF

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SO YOU GUYS ARE NOT GOING TO BOND, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO GO STEP BY STEP KIND OF PLAN. I'VE ALWAYS ENCOURAGED THE COUNTY TO BOND, BUT THAT PROCESS AND THEM ACQUIRING LAND IS VERY CLEAR AND LAID OUT IN THE ORDINANCE. THE ORDINANCE CAN GO WELL BEYOND THE 75 WORDS. THEY HAVE TO BE ONE OF FOUR PARCELS. ALL THE LAND THAT IS EXAMINED HAS TO BE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AND UNDER THE EMPHASIS FOR ENHANCING WATER QUALITY IN MARTIN COUNTY. AND I WOULD JUST URGE THE CITY TO LOOK AT FOLLOWING THAT SAME INTENT OF THAT ORDINANCE. OF COURSE, ENHANCING WATER QUALITY IN MARTIN COUNTY OR TARGETING ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND AND OR CONSERVATION. THERE'S A, YES, YOU KNOW, UNDEVELOPED CONSERVATION LAND WILL INHERENTLY ENHANCE IN THE CITY WATER QUALITY IN THE CITY. IT MAY LOOK LIKE PROTECTING LAND FROM BECOMING APARTMENTS OR DEVELOPED. RIGHT? YEAH, RIGHT. BUT THE EMPHASIS WOULD BE ON UNDEVELOPED LAND. WE RECEIVE ON THAT OVERSIGHT BOARD. FLORIDA STATE SENDS US ENVIRONMENTAL REPORTS OF EVERY PARCEL WE LOOK AT. SURE, THERE'S A PLETHORA OF OPTIONS THAT COULD BE HANDLED YEAR BY YEAR IN THE CITY OF STUART TO PROTECT WATER QUALITY. YOU KNOW, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BESIDES JUST ACQUIRING LAND AND PUTTING CONSERVATION, ALL OF CITY SEWAGE, STORM WATER RETENTION AREAS COULD USE UPGRADES. THE BAFFLE BOXES COULD BE UPGRADED BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT UPDATING STORMWATER TRULY MEETS THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT STATUTE AND THE WAY THAT'S LAID OUT, UPDATING OUR STORMWATER VERSUS ACQUIRING LAND FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSERVATION, RECREATION, ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVE, IF YOU'RE IMPROVING THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE WATER QUALITY, YOU CAN USE IT FOR STORMWATER. WE'VE HAD THAT SAME COMMITMENT FROM OCEAN BREEZE, WHO RECEIVES SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THE CITY OF STUART WILL.

BUT THEIR MAIN MISSION IS GOING TO BE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS, SEPTIC TO SEWER IMPROVEMENTS.

YOU KNOW, SIMPLE THINGS LIKE UPDATING ALL THE BAFFLE BOXES TO LEVEL TWO BAFFLE BOXES. OKAY.

YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MERRITT? YEAH. OKAY. ADDITIONAL COMMENT. I THINK WE'RE MISSING COMPLETELY THE POINT OF MISS HOLMES PRESENTATION. AND GOOD JOB, MISS HOLMES. THIS IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. MERRITT. MR. THIS IS QUITE A CHALLENGE TO COMPLY WITH THIS VERY LENGTHY CODE. I LOOKED AT THE FLORIDA STATUTE.

IT'S A LONG STATUTE, BUT THIS IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TAKE THE TIME TO LISTEN TO OTHER VOICES AND MAYBE LEARN SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT WERE AWARE OF TO IMMEDIATELY START IN ON PET PROJECTS OF 1 OR 2 COMMISSIONERS, PET PROJECTS. I MEAN, PET PROJECTS. WHY DON'T WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE EXPERTISE WE HAVE WITH ENVIRONMENTAL EXPERTS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THIS, GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND GIVE US THEIR OPINION? I MEAN, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LEARN SOMETHING. AND YES, THIS IS AD VALOREM MONEY. THE THE BOND MARKETS LOVE THIS THE BEST. THE OPPORTUNITY TO BOND HERE IS VERY REAL. AND, YOU KNOW, CAN WE JUST ENHANCE OUR EXISTING PARKS AND CONNECTIVITIES? THERE'S SO MANY THINGS WE COULD DO THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT I IT WOULD BE A HUGE MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO JUST START JUMPING IN AND DO THIS LITTLE PIECE AND THIS LITTLE PIECE AND NOT UNDERSTAND IT IN A MORE COMPREHENSIVE VISION FOR WHAT WE WANT TO DO FOR THE CITY. SO.

OH, DID YOU HAVE. YES. SORRY. MAYOR. OUR CITY CLERK JUST FORWARDED TO ME AN EMAIL THAT SHE HAD RECEIVED FROM MANDY SALEN OR OUR FORMER ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND MARY HAD ASKED HER A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, ARE YOU ABLE TO TELL ME HOW MUCH MONEY WE GET ANNUALLY FROM

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LET ME REPEAT $2,701,900.40 IN HALF CENT SALES TAX REVENUE IN 2025. SO IF WHAT MR. MATHESON SAID THAT IT'S BEEN REDUCED. SO WE CAN PROBABLY COUNT ON A DISCOUNT ON THAT AMOUNT. BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER RICH THOUGHT IT WAS ABOUT 2 MILLION. AND SO IT'S PROBABLY MAYBE ROUGHLY IT'S PROBABLY IN BETWEEN 2.7 AND 2. RIGHT. NICE. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. YEAH. AND THERE THERE'S GOING TO BE OPPORTUNITIES THAT COME UP. THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE HUGE OPPORTUNITIES. YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT BRINGING IN THE KIND OF MONEY THE COUNTY IS BRINGING IN. AND ALSO YOU KNOW THE COUNTY HAS THAT HALF CENT SALES TAX BOARD REVIEWING OPPORTUNITIES IN A MUCH LARGER SCOPE AND SCALE. DO WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE EVALUATION COMMITTEES AS WELL TO DO THAT? IF WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES THAT COME UP, WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEM AS THEY COME UP. WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH MONEY TO SPEND. AND SO DOING LIKE A SOME SORT OF COMPREHENSIVE LOOK, THERE'S NOT THAT MANY PROPERTIES AVAILABLE IN THE CITY UNLESS YOU'RE TRYING TO GO IN THE DIRECTION OF DOING STORMWATER OVERHAULS, YOU KNOW, AND DREDGING AND THIS KIND OF THING, THERE ISN'T ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THIS.

THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO DO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW. ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES EXIST REASONABLY, THOUGH. LIKE WE WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH MONEY TO SPEND. SO WHAT THERE IS WORTH INVESTIGATING. I MEAN, LOOK AT PASCO COUNTY. LOOK AT THIS. LOOK AT ALL THE QUESTIONS THEY ASK. THESE ARE SENSIBLE QUESTIONS. THESE THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT LIKE IF IF I WAS IF I WAS GAMING POLITICALLY LIKE IF I WAS TRYING TO KILL A THING, THIS IS WHAT I WOULD DO.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT GOES INTO ENDLESS COMMITTEES AND IT AND IT CONTINUES ON AND ON AND ON UNTIL NOTHING HAPPENS. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO IF I WAS TRYING TO KILL PROGRESS POLITICALLY. IT TAKES LEADERSHIP TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT WHEN IT EXISTS. IT DOES NOT TAKE ANY LEADERSHIP TO PUNT IT TO LAYERS OF COMMITTEES SO THAT IT DIES. SO. BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING THERE. THERE ALSO EXISTS OPPORTUNITY. AND TONIGHT WAS. A TASTE OF IT IS WITHIN THE AVONLEA PUD. SOME OF THOSE VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE PROPERTIES, INCLUDING, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, PARCEL 10TH MAY BECOME AVAILABLE AS WELL, YOU KNOW, SO THAT I THINK THAT ALONG WITH OFF OF BAKER IS SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND CONSIDER. I THINK THE COUNTY MAY BE LOOKING AT THAT PARCEL TEN AS WELL. SO BAKER CREEK AND HANEY, WHICH WOULD BE FOR RECREATION. THE PARCEL TEN AND AVONLEA IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THAT COULD BE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN BREWING. AND THEN THE OLD HIGH SCHOOL BUILDING THAT'S ON OCEAN. AND SO THIS HAS HAD A LOT OF ATTENTION LATELY. BUT THE THE NATURE OF THIS, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS THE SCHOOL BOARD IS LOOKING TO OFFLOAD THIS PROPERTY. AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THE CURRENT ARRANGEMENT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD AND FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONSERVATION, AND TO PROTECT THAT PARCEL FROM BECOMING APARTMENTS OR DEVELOPMENT. TO MY UNDERSTANDING, I WON'T EVEN GET INTO OTHER PARTIES. BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT THAT VERY WELL COULD BE BECOME DEVELOPED, COULD BECOME APARTMENTS VERY EASILY IF IT HITS PRIVATE SECTOR. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER AS WELL, IF THERE'S ANY CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD. VERY WELL. AT THEIR NEXT MEETING, THE SCHOOL BOARD MAY MOVE INTO A POSITION OF LOOKING TO SELL THAT PROPERTY. AND SO IF THEY DO CONSIDER THAT, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERING IS SO THAT IT DOESN'T GET DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, AND AND THERE'S BEEN BUZZ ABOUT THE ARTS COUNCIL, BUT I TRULY BELIEVE THE BEST SHOT THAT THE ARTS COUNCIL HAS AT REMAINING IN THAT LOCATION WOULD BE IF THE CITY BUYS THAT PROPERTY. SO IF YOU WANT TO SAVE THE ARTS COUNCIL, YOU SHOULD BE ADVOCATING THAT THE CITY BUY IT. BUT IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COMPLICATED THING TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT MOVING PIECES. BUT. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CONCERNS ON

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YEAH. AND IT'S TEN YEARS. OKAY. YEAH. THE WHOLE THE WHOLE PROCESS WILL LAST TEN YEARS.

OKAY. OKAY. I LIKE SEVERAL OF THE OPTIONS THAT YOU GAVE. THE ARTS COUNCIL THE OLD HIGH SCHOOL. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE ARTS COUNCIL, I'M ON THE MARTIN ARTS COUNCIL. I THINK WHAT THEY PROPOSED WAS AN EXCELLENT PROGRAM. IT'D BE AWESOME. YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT. I REALLY LIKE IT. AND THEN AGAIN, IF THE CITY PURCHASED IT, WE'D BE DOING A LEASING IT TO THEM.

WHAT? YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE DETAILS NOW, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD LEASE IT TO THE ARTS COUNCIL. CORRECT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, VERY EXCELLENT IDEA OF THAT WHAT THEY WOULD DO AND MAKE THOSE STUDIOS WOULDN'T DIE ON THE VINE. RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S. YEAH. PARCEL TEN. MY ONLY CONCERN IS, IS THAT THEY'VE MENTIONED IT SEVERAL TIMES THIS EVENING THAT ONCE PARCEL TEN IS DEVELOPED AND IF WE OWN IT THEN WE WOULD BE ONES DEVELOPING, DEVELOPING IT OR LEAVING IT RIGHT OR CONSERVING IT. BUT AT THAT POINT IT WOULD BE THE LAST OF THAT MAJOR P, WHICH MEANS THEN THERE'S I THINK THERE'S A PARCEL. YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHERS. OKAY. BECAUSE I GOT THERE MAY BE ONE OTHER THAT'S FOR SALE BESIDES TEN, BUT I THINK TEN MIGHT BE THE BIGGER. YEAH. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT WHOLE STORMWATER SYSTEM FOR THAT WHOLE DOES NOT TAKE PLACE UNTIL THE LAST PIECE IS DEVELOPED. SO WHOEVER BUYS IT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT THAT FLOW THROUGH WORKS, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OF CONCERN TO US AS BEING THE NEW OWNERS OF THAT PIECE. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S OTHER PIECES AVAILABLE WOULD BE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK TO GRANTS FOR, OKAY. FOR DRAINAGE. OKAY. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WHAT WOULD THE COST DOING THE HANEY CREEK AND THE

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IT WOULD JUST BE UPDATING. OKAY. THE, YOU KNOW, PROJECTED EXPENSES, BUT A LOT OF WORK ALREADY WENT INTO OKAY, I'M I'M NOT FOR GETTING A WHOLE COMMITTEE TOGETHER AND SPENDING MONTHS DOING ALL OF THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LIST OF PROJECTED COSTS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, MAYBE 1 OR 2 OTHER ITEMS ON THAT LIST THAT YOU KNOW MIGHT BE DISCUSSED HERE THIS EVENING. SO THAT WOULD BE, LIKE I SAID, I I'M NOT ANY INTEREST IN DRAGGING IT OUT FOR TWO YEARS WHILE A COMMITTEE LOOKS IT OVER, BUT I DON'T WANT TO JUST LOOK AT 2 OR 3 PROJECTS WE SHOULD HAVE. THIS SHOULD BE A LIVING PROCESS IN MY OPINION. OKAY. MY GOAL TONIGHT WOULD BE THAT FROM FROM THE BOARD, WE HAD PREVIOUSLY PRIORITIZED SOME PROJECTS, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE RUTH INVOLVED. SO SO NOW WITH RUTH HERE, MAKING SURE WE'RE DOING THINGS RIGHT, HAVING THIS BOARD COME UP WITH 3 OR 4 OR 5 OR 7 THINGS, WHATEVER IT IS, AND THEN STARTING TO PRIORITIZE THOSE AND THEN INVESTIGATE. THAT WOULD BE THE PART THAT'S THAT'S THE INVESTIGATION. WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE TONIGHT IS IN THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE WE START CREATING THAT, OKAY, THAT LIST OF PRIORITIES DO YOU HAVE BEYOND THE ONES I'VE MENTIONED, SOMETHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN? NO, ACTUALLY THE PREVIOUS INTERIM MANAGER HAD SENT ME A WHOLE LIST OF WHAT PROPERTIES WERE OWNED BY THE CITY. IT'S A LENGTHY LIST AND I REALLY CAN'T SEEM TO PRINT IT OFF, BUT I HAVE JUST THE ADDRESSES AND I COULD PRINT OFF MAYBE DIFFERENT COLUMNS. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT'S AVAILABLE THAT THE CITY ALREADY OWNS, THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO UTILIZE SOME OF THOSE MONIES TO IMPROVE THEM. THEY MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE. FALL UNDER THE CATEGORY, AS RUTH HAD SAID, THAT COULD BE UTILIZED IN THIS MONEY FOR THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS, WHETHER IT BE WATER FLOW OR ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED THAT WERE REQUIRED TO BE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT THE MONEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE SPENT ON, WOULD BE NICE IS IF WE COULD REMEDIATE A BROWNFIELD WITH IT. YOU CAN'T. RIGHT? NO. WE HAVE TO FIND OTHER USES FOR THE BROWNFIELD. BUT THAT'S. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. AND IF THERE'S A WAY THAT IT COULD GET THAT LIST PRINTED OFF JUST WHERE IT'S ADDRESS AND, YOU KNOW, A LIST OF AVAILABLE CITY PROPERTIES, I HAVE THE LIST THAT WAS SENT TO ME, BUT IT'S. YEAH, COLUMNS LONG. SO YEAH. AND I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY THEY IF YOU EMAIL, YOU MUST HAVE TO GO INTO THE SYSTEM TO PRINT IT OFF. CAN'T BE EMAILED TO YOU AND PRINT IT OFF I TRIED ROZ HAS TAKEN NOTES.

SHE'S. YEAH SHE I HAD ALREADY MENTIONED IT TO HER. WAS IT SEAN OR OR YOU? WHICH ONE OF YOU TWO WAS FIRST? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE TO GO FIRST. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. I'M NOT IN A HURRY TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO ARE WE SURE? THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS ON THE. IF THE SCHOOL OLD SCHOOL PROPERTY WAS OLD HIGH SCHOOL, HISTORIC HIGH SCHOOL PROPERTY WAS LOOKED INTO FOR ACQUISITION OR SOME TYPE OF COLLABORATIVE PROGRAM. IS EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE IN THERE CONSIDERED PUBLIC RECREATION PURPOSE, OR WOULD IT END UP BEING LIKE ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT WHERE MAYBE THEY MAY EVEN HAVE SOME THINGS BECAUSE OF NAMING RIGHTS AND OTHER THING THAT'S THEY HAVE A PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, AND THEN WE'D HAVE THE PUBLIC SIDE WHERE SOME THINGS ARE PUBLIC RECREATION. THAT MAY NOT BE THE WHOLE PROPERTY. WHAT MAY BE SOME SOME PORTION OR SOME ACTIVITY OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SPONSORED. UNLESS IF THE CITY WAS SAYING, OKAY, WE'LL AT LEAST WANT TO HAVE THE ENTIRE THING IN THE NAME OF THE CITY, THEN WE'LL WORK WITH OTHER ENTITIES. HOW THINGS HAPPEN ON THE PROPERTY, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO STILL MEET THOSE GUIDELINES. SO BUT I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO SEE A PLAN OF WHAT THE MARTIN ARTS COUNCIL ENVISIONED FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO I THINK IF YOU SAW THE PLAN, YOU WOULD SEE IT'S CERTAINLY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. YOU KNOW, IT'S FOR I MEAN, LOCAL ARTISTS WOULD BENEFIT THE MOST. BUT ANYONE, YOU KNOW, STUDENTS, ADULTS, I MEAN, THERE'LL BE SO MUCH AVAILABLE. YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE A PLAN THAT IT'S GOING TO STAY SOLID.

BECAUSE IF YOU JUST HAVE ONE LITTLE GLITCH AND IT'S NOT, DOESN'T MEET ALL OF THE STATE REQUIREMENTS, THEN YOU RIGHT. YOU DON'T YOU CAN'T GET IT DONE. LIKE I SAID, THEY THEY DO HAVE A YOU KNOW, PLAN THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT IF YOU I'M SURE IF YOU REACHED OUT TO NANCY, SHE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SEND IT TO YOU. CAN THE FUNDS BE USED TO PURCHASE THAT BUILDING, IN YOUR

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WE CAN TALK TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT. OF COURSE. JUST BRING THIS UP AND THINK WE CAN HAVE A SENSIBLE DISCUSSION. YOU NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT SO YOU CAN AGENDA ITEMS TO TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. I THINK IF ANY COMMISSIONER WISHES AN ITEM TO BE ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE ALWAYS ALLOWED THAT TO TAKE PLACE. SO I, I JUST TO, YOU KNOW, THROW THESE THINGS OUT AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS IN A SENSIBLE WAY. IT'S VERY CHALLENGING AND IT'S UNFAIR TO THE PUBLIC. MOST MISSING SOMETHING I THINK WE'RE DOING A DELIBERATION. WE'RE TALKING NO, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

NO, NO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND SUGGESTION REGARDING ABSENCE.

SHE'S NOT EVEN SURE WE CAN SPEND THE MONEY TO BUY IT. BUT WHY IF IT'S NOT IF IF IT'S ILLEGAL, WE SHOULDN'T WASTE ANY TIME TALKING ABOUT SUGGESTIONS REGARDING HALF CENT SALES, BUT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S LEGAL. WE NEVER WILL IF WE DON'T DISCUSS IT. BUT IF SOMEONE IF THE COMMISSIONER KNEW WE WANTED TO BRING THE ISSUE, PERHAPS HE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS IS BRINGING IT UP. I BROUGHT IT UP AT THE LAST MEETING, TOO. OKAY. NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE MONEY CAN BE EXPENDED FOR THAT. WELL, IT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION. DELIBERATION? DO YOU HAVE ANY REASON TO TO BELIEVE IT'S. IT CAN'T BE. YES. I'VE BEEN TOLD IT CAN'T BE USED. BY WHO? BY INDIVIDUALS WHO OFFER THEIR OPINIONS. I DON'T KNOW, THAT HAS NO MORE VALIDITY THAN HER CONCERNS. I'M JUST SAYING THE PERSON YOU TALKED TO HAS EQUAL VALIDITY TO YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY. YES, THEY DO. WOW.

YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE? NO, I WOULD NOT. I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S CLEARLY A QUESTION.

OKAY. SO THEN WHY DON'T WE PUT IT. WHY IS THERE A CONSENSUS? WE'RE STILL TALKING. WE'RE STILL TALKING. DID YOU HAVE SOME. NO, NO. NO PROJECTS OR ANYTHING YOU WANT TO OFFER? NO, I MEAN THE I MEAN, WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE IDEA OF WHAT TO DO ON THE NORTH SIDE WITH THE HANEY CREEK AND, AND TRYING TO PULL EVERYTHING TOGETHER. AND I KNOW WHAT YOUR PLAN IS, IS LIKE, WELL, IF WE PULL THIS TOGETHER, THAT WILL COMPLETELY DEAL WITH DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE IN THAT AREA, BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE THE WHOLE PACKAGE FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST, THE TRAIL HEADING THAT OTHER SIDE IS JUST TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE FOR FAMILIES MORE TO HAVE A PARK FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST. SO YOU HAVE OKAY, SO REFERENDUM ITEM IS TO PUT IT INTO CONSERVATION SEPARATE THOUGH IN TERMS OF SPENDING HALF CENT SALES TAX MONEY. IT WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO TRAILHEAD AND BAKER CREEK, NOT THE TWO ACRES. THAT'S A SEPARATE CONVERSATION. SPENDING MONEY WITH THE HALF CENT SALES TAX IN THIS CASE ON RECREATION OFF OF BAKER. OKAY, REVIEW THAT ITEM. I DIDN'T REMOVE MY LIGHT AND I HEAR I HEAR COMMISSIONER RICH, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT MR. LEGATE ON ON ON ON THE HOT SEAT, MR. LEGATE, BUT NO, I'M GOING TO LET CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY LOOK AT IT. BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAD SAID THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO USE THAT TWO ACRE PARCEL. AND I KNOW THAT MR. LEGATE HAS SAID THAT HE'S BEEN MANAGING TO GET THINGS DONE IN THAT ENTIRE PARK WITHOUT NEEDING, LIKE, ANY SPECIAL POT OF MONEY. BUT WITH PROPERTY TAXES PROBABLY BEING LESS THAN OTHER THINGS HAPPENING. WHAT IF WE'RE SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT BY CUTTING OFF THE COMPLETE USE OF THIS TWO ACRE PARCEL, WHICH WE DID ALREADY? THE CONSENSUS IS, YEAH, YEAH, ALREADY PASSED THAT. I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT STILL I'M, I'M STILL I'D LOVE FOR CITY MANAGER WHETHER INTERIM OR

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COMMISSIONER JOB, I JUST HAPPENED TO BRING UP SOME. SORRY. I JUST HAPPENED TO BRING UP SOME INFORMATION THAT'S ON THE INTERNET ABOUT THE HALF CENT SALES TAX FOR FLORIDA AND FOR USAGE. AND IT SAYS COMMUNITY IMPACT. THE TAX IS DESIGNED TO SUPPORT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ENHANCE PUBLIC SERVICES. IT'S ALSO HELPS IN MAINTAINING AND IMPROVING EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. ABSOLUTELY. VICE MAYOR, WHAT DO YOU GOT? MY COMMENTS WOULD BE FOR FOR THE MARTIN ARTS. I SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. I KNOW MARTIN ARTS WANTED WANTS TO PURCHASE THE BUILDING. I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE JUST NOT IN A FINANCIAL SITUATION CURRENTLY TO PURCHASE IT FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD IF THEY'RE SELLING IT, OR WOULD WE BE PURCHASING IT AND THEN SUBSIDIZING IT FOR MARTIN ARTS TO JUST CONSERVE IT BECAUSE OF $1.5 MILLION? YOU KNOW, THAT'S POLICY ON THAT. I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S GOING TO BE A BELOW MARKET LEASE. AND YOU SIT ON THE BOARD CURRENTLY. WHAT DO THEY PAY THE SCHOOL BOARD. NOW? I YOU KNOW, I DON'T DO THE FINANCES. SO I MEAN I REALLY YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. THE LAW SAYS THERE HAS TO BE 80% OF THE APPRAISED VALUE. WE CAN'T PAY OVER 80% OF THE APPRAISED VALUE.

IN FLORIDA FOREVER. BUT I KNOW NANCY. NANCY TERRELL, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF MARTIN ARTS, WHICH IS THE UMBRELLA FOR THE ARTS COUNCIL FOR OF MARTIN COUNTY AND THE ARTS FOUNDATION FOR MARTIN COUNTY. SO THE ORGANIZATION THAT AND I'M ALSO A CITY OF STUART RESIDENT COCONUT AVE. THE ARTS FOUNDATION NOT THE COUNCIL THAT LAURA JACOBY COMMISSIONER SITS ON. THE COUNCIL IS NOT IN NEGOTIATIONS OR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. IT'S OUR FOUNDATION WHICH IS THE FUNDRAISING AND PROGRAMMATIC ARM THAT'S NOT IN THE SUNSHINE ARM OF OUR ORGANIZATION THAT IS DOING THIS. THE LEASE IS UP FOR FINAL DISCUSSION ON TUESDAY, BUT I CLEARLY, AS ALL OF YOU HAVE HEARD AND READ IN THE PAPER, THEY ARE LOOKING AT GOING TO SURPLUS SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THEY AREN'T USING BECAUSE THEY NEED TO FUND SOME VERY NEEDED CAPITAL RENOVATION PROJECTS AT SCHOOL SITES. SO.

ALL INDICATIONS ARE THAT INSTEAD OF GOING FOR A LEASE AGREEMENT, THEY'LL BE LOOKING FOR US TO PURCHASE. WE ARE WORKING ON PREPARING TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY. OKAY, SO AND FEEL FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN, RIGHT? ALSO BONDED. SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE WOULD JUST WAIT AS A BOARD THEN TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS. EITHER WAY IT WOULD TAKE IT WOULD TAKE SOME TIME. BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME. I MEAN MY AGAIN I KNOW I MY DEGREES ARE IN MARKETING AND PHILANTHROPY AND DEVELOPMENT, NOT LAND PLANNING AND AND ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS. BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S ONE BIG PARCEL FOR WHERE THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS ARE. STUART MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THIS. SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO EVEN PUT THE PARCELS UP. SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE BY ALL PARTIES AT THIS POINT, I BELIEVE. MAYOR, I INCORRECT TO ASSUME THAT THE GOAL HERE, WHETHER IT IS THE MARTIN ARTS COUNCIL FOUNDATION OR THE CITY, IS TO SOMEHOW SAVE THAT PROPERTY FROM BECOMING APARTMENTS. AND THAT'S THAT'S THE GOAL HERE. THAT'S MY CONCERN. RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO IF THEY LEASED IT AND BOUGHT IT ON THEIR OWN, WELL, WE WOULD SAVE THE TAXPAYERS, TAXPAYERS ALL THAT MONEY. YES. AND IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW. CERTAINLY.

BUT IF BUT IF, BUT IF THE SCHOOL BOARD IS OFFLOADING THAT PROPERTY AND IT HITS THE MARKET AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT, NOT SAYING YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO, BUT IF THEY COULDN'T, BUT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. THEY'VE BEEN IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THEM FOR. WELL, I THINK IT'S A WAIT AND SEE 5 OR 6 YEARS IF THEY'RE ABLE TO HAVE THE MONEY. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO AND WE CAN AND WE DON'T. SOME DEVELOPER BUYS IT, COMES IN WITH, YOU KNOW, LIVE, YOU KNOW, THE LIVE LOCAL ACT OR SOMETHING ELSE. AND WE WIND UP WITH A

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NO, WE DIDN'T CATCH UP. NO. AND ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THESE HUGE PRECIPITATION EVENTS WE'RE SEEING, IT'S BEEN MORE UP IN SEBASTIAN AREA. JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING THREE DAYS OF RAINFALL AND FOUR AND FIVE HOURS, AND IT'S BECOMING MORE COMMON. IT BASICALLY FALLS UNDER THE RUBRIC OF WHAT? OF RESILIENCY. AND AND THAT'S WHAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S A REAL RESPONSIBILITY WE POSSESS TO CONTINUE TO UNDERSTAND THE CAPACITIES AND IMPROVE THEM. SO, VICE MAYOR, THOSE ARE REASONABLE CONCERNS ON YOUR PART. OKAY. YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. AND AS FAR AS ME SAYING BAD, BAD, HOWEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO LOOK AT THAT, THIS DISCUSSION, I MEAN, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET BEAT UP WHETHER IT'S BY THE PUBLIC OR WHATNOT. I'D RATHER SAY IT AND DEAL WITH THE REPERCUSSIONS. I WAS TALKING WITH MAYOR ABOUT THAT EARLIER. LIKE, I'M GOING TO SAY IT, I DON'T I GUESS I DON'T LOOK AT IT AS A BAD THING. IT'S JUST LANGUAGE TO ME AND IT'S CONVERSATION PIECES, AND I

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I THINK NICK SAID 20 ACRES. SO IF THERE'S 50 ACRES TOTAL, I THINK 20 ACRES ARE ALREADY IN CONSERVATION. SO IF YOU BUY IT, YOU JUST PUT IT IN THE CONSERVATION WITH THE REST OF THE CONSERVATION, I WOULD ASSUME. OR YOU COULD DEVELOP IT. YEAH. AND I IT'S SEPARATE CPU ON THAT POINT NINE ACRES OR I THINK TECHNICALLY YOU COULD PROBABLY PUT THAT PUT THAT IN WITH THE REST OF THE CONSERVATION. AND I THINK IF LIKE THE CITY OR THE BOARD AS A WHOLE, LIKE I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THE CITY HAS WETLAND MITIGATION. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO ACQUIRE BECAUSE YOU CAN ALMOST RELOCATE WETLANDS ON THE LOT OR PARCEL DEPENDING ON, I FORGET THE VERBIAGE THAT JODY USED THIS MORNING, BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO AS WELL. LIKE MAYBE HAVING A LIST OF PROPERTY THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE WETLANDS ON IT CURRENTLY, AND IT'S MORE FOR LIKE LARGER SITES BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE ON LARGER SITES WITH WETLANDS, IT'S EASIER TO RELOCATE THEM WITH SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT VERSUS SMALLER SITES. WE HAVE TWO MORE SLIDES, AND I'M NOT AN ADVOCATE OF MITIGATING THE WETLANDS. IT SHOULD STAY WHERE IT IS. OKAY, SO LET'S SEE HERE. OKAY. SO IN TERMS OF STORMWATER DRAINAGE, HAVING THAT COME BACK AS WELL FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, I'M OPEN TO IT. SO WE CAN START TO THINK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT. I THINK IT'S GOOD TO DISCUSS IT AND SEE. DO YOU HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL OBVIOUSLY YOU. THAT WAS SOMETHING YOU THOUGHT WAS A GOOD IDEA, RIGHT.

STORMWATER. YEP. OKAY. SO DID YOU HAVE DID YOU HAVE THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN CREEK, LIKE WHERE THE WILLOUGHBY ROAD WOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH AND COME IN THROUGH TO THE OLD FISH PONDS? DID WE? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEANING IT UP? YEAH, I WOULD BE, YEAH. BECAUSE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD FALL IN THAT IT WOULD, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY FALL. YEAH. IT'S IT'S DEFINITELY NEEDS IT. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. YES. AND THAT GOES INTO THE WATERSHED. SO THAT WOULD BE I THINK THAT NORTH SIDE THAT'S IT COULD ALWAYS BE CLEANER. YES.

HEY I'M GETTING IT I'M GETTING IT. OKAY. SO THAT I AGREE THAT SHOULD BE IN THERE. SO THERE'S CONSENSUS ON THAT. AND THEN FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES IS THERE ANY CONSENSUS TO START LOOKING AT THAT HIGH SCHOOL PROPERTY. NOT SAYING WE'RE BUYING IT TODAY, BUT AT LEAST TO START LOOKING AT IT IN CASE THINGS FALL THROUGH. OKAY. NOT OPPOSED TO IT BY THE WAY. YEAH. BUT HAVING IT ON THE, THE THE SHORT LIST SO WE COULD START TALKING ABOUT IT. YEAH. WE CAN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. SO WE HAVE OPTIONS. I WOULD LIKE A FIRM LEGAL OPINION ON WHETHER THE FUNDS CAN BE EXPENDED FOR THAT. THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT. AND IF SO, WHAT RESTRICTIONS WOULD THERE BE ON THE USE? I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF SENSE. WELL, THAT'S A VERY DETAILED FOR SURE. YOU CAN'T DO IT JUST TO LEASE IT TO AN ART CENTER. I BET YOU CAN'T. WE CAN COLLABORATE. I THINK WE CAN. LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE. WHAT? WHAT'S THAT? WE NEED TO KNOW ANYWAY? THAT'S RIGHT. I NEED TO COME BY THIS WEEK AND HANG OUT TO AND CHECK YOU OUT. OKAY, SO I THINK I THINK THAT WAS EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT. OH, AND THEN COMMISSIONER JOB YOU HAD MENTIONED. A LIST OF AVAILABLE PROPERTIES OR EXISTING PROPERTIES THAT WE SEE.

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WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS MORE TYPE. WOULD YOU LIKE ROZ TO BRING BACK A LIST OF, LIKE, PARKS TO BE UPDATED? SURE. YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT. I MEAN, SOME OF THEM ARE JUST UNASSIGNED, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. YOU KNOW, LIKE, HERE SAYS UNASSIGNED AND IT'S LAKE CLAIRE PARK. YEAH. OKAY. SO, YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF POCKET PARKS THAT'S GOING TO ASK ABOUT THAT.

CAN I, CAN I TALK WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING, MISS. NO, NO. SURE. GO RIGHT AHEAD. SO, MR. LEGGETT, HE KNOWS. I MEAN, HE MAINTAINS ALL THE POCKET PARKS FOR PARKS, AND HE KNOWS ABOUT THEM. BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY AREAS THAT ARE NOT FINE? THEY'RE NOT PAID FOR BY FINE OR OTHER PLACES THAT YOU COULD SUGGEST THAT WE ACQUIRE THOSE LITTLE CORNERS AND, AND HAVE MORE POCKET PARKS THAT WE COULD, BECAUSE I'M SURE THAT WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE, YOU SEE AREAS AND TROUBLESOME AREAS THAT ARE KIND OF JUST LIKE THE NEIGHBORS. THEY'RE NOT ALLEYWAYS, AND THE NEIGHBORS PROBABLY ARE NOT TAKING CARE OF IT. AND IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ACQUIRE AS ANOTHER END OF A ROAD PARK OR A. THE. BUT WE GOTTA MAINTAIN CURRENTLY. SO YOU HAVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT TO MAINTAIN. I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF FINE AREAS THAT WE HAVE PUT IN FOR FINE GRANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE DEMARCATED AND THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE BEING TAKEN CARE OF. WHEN YOU GET THE FINE GRANT INITIALLY, DO YOU GET THE FUNDS EVERY YEAR TO DEAL WITH THAT, OR ARE WE JUST STUCK WITH THE MAINTENANCE AND A LABEL THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, FUNDED BY FINED OR WHATEVER MAINTENANCE FUND? RIGHT. SO EVERYTHING OKAY? PARKS ARE EXPENSIVE. YEAH, YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK A QUESTION. ABSOLUTELY. BEFORE WE PURCHASE ADDITIONAL POCKET PARKS, I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME ASSESSMENT FROM MILTON. HOW MANY OF THOSE PARKS ARE UTILIZED? I MEAN, ARE THEY JUST SITTING THERE AND NOBODY'S UTILIZING THEM.

NOBODY'S TAKING CARE. NOT THAT YOU'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF THEM, THE NEIGHBORS OR WHATEVER.

THEY'RE JUST NOT YOU. BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE NEAR THE PARK AND THEY'RE JUST LITTERING IT OR WHATEVER. I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. LIKE WHAT? WHAT ARE THOSE PARKS DOING RIGHT NOW? AN ASSESSMENT. SO FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A LIST OF EXISTING PARKS, INCLUDING POCKET PARKS, THAT THE CITY OWNS. SO WE COULD START TO LOOK AT IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE EXPAND. EXPAND UPDATE BEFORE WE PURCHASE ANY MORE. RIGHT? RIGHT.

YEAH. OF COURSE. YES. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S THAT MUCH AVAILABLE TO EVEN PURCHASE. NO NO NOT NOT NOT NO. IT'S REALLY DO WE WANT TO MAKE WE HAVE NICER AND HOUSE. SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME NEIGHBORS THAT DO NOT WANT THE ACCESS TO THE POCKET PARKS TO LIKE THE RIVER IN CERTAIN AREAS BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT BY THEIR FRONT DOOR, RIGHT GOES RIGHT BY THEIR PROPERTY, AND THEY'D RATHER MAKE IT STAY WILD AND NOT LET ANYBODY KNOW THAT IT'S A POCKET PARK. BUT THEN THEY CAN PURCHASE IT IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT PRIVATE. SO THAT THAT IS SEVEN SEVEN ITEMS TO START THAT CAN LIVE AND ADAPT AS WE GO AND JUST THAT EASILY.

WE SAVED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF STAFF TIME. IT'S PROBABLY 6 TO 8 MONTHS OF WASTING TIME, AND NOW WE CAN START TRYING TO GET SOMETHING DONE. SO ROSS, CAN YOU JUST READ THOSE BACK AND HELP CLARIFY WHERE WE'RE AT? I HAVE THE TRAILHEAD OFF HANEY BAKER.

I KNEW THAT I MADE IT CONFUSING. THAT WAS I THINK HE CALLED IT, I DID BAKER CREEK, I THINK, AT ONE TIME. PARCEL TEN CREEK, INCLUDING IF WE DO PURCHASE, WHAT WATER ISSUES WOULD WE BE INVOLVED WITH? IF 50 ACRES, 20 ACRES MIGHT ALREADY BE IN CONSERVATION. BUT THAT'S ALL ABOUT PARCEL TEN. LIST OF PROPERTIES WITH WETLANDS ALREADY. THAT WAS ONE THAT WAS INCLUDED. YEAH. OKAY. STORMWATER PROJECTS AND NEEDS THAT MILTON AND I WILL GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT NORTH OF POPPLETON CREEK. YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YES.

I MEAN, THE CREEK, THE PARK IS A DOG PARK IS THERE NOW AND THEN EVERYTHING NORTH OF THE LITTLE WHERE AND BRIDGE OR WHATEVER PEOPLE, A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE USED TO BE IN

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AND YEAH, I KNOW IT'S A WHOLE AREA THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT. THAT GENTLEMAN JUST NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO. IT'S HUGE. YEAH. HUGE HUGE. THE OLD HIGH SCHOOL GET A FIRM LEGAL OPINION FIRST.

IS IT ELIGIBLE TO PURCHASE. AND IF WE CAN PURCHASE WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS. THE LIST OF EXISTING PROPERTIES WE OWN. PARKS TO BE UPDATED, EXPANDED PERHAPS WHERE THE POCKET PARKS ARE THEY BEING UTILIZED. AND LOOK FOR THOSE THOSE LOCATIONS THAT ARE LISTED AS UNASSIGNED SO I CAN PULL THAT REPORT. WE DID GET THROUGH IT, BUT IT DOES HAVE COMPLEXITIES. LIKE THE COMMISSIONER MENTIONED. IT'S A SOFTWARE ISSUE, SO IT ISN'T SOMETHING WE CAN EASILY PULL AND EXCEL, BUT WE'LL FIND A WAY. WAS IT AN EXCEL SHEET TO BEGIN WITH? BECAUSE I TRIED TO. YEAH, BECAUSE I TRIED TO JUST DO COLUMNS TO PRINT OUT IT WOULDN'T DO IT. YEAH. AND THEN I PULLED A REPORT AND TRIED TO CONVERT IT AND THAT DIDN'T WORK. SO WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT TECH SERVICES EXPERTS. I'LL ROPE THEM IN. WHAT I THINK WOULD BE GOOD IS NOW THAT YOU HAVE THOSE SEVEN ITEMS, GET SOME JUST BASELINE DATA, YOU KNOW, IS THIS CAN WE DO THIS LEGALLY? DOES THIS MATCH HERE'S SOME OF THOSE PRODUCTS SO WE CAN PRIORITIZE THEM. SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT SEVEN OPTIONS WITH A LITTLE MORE DATA AND INSIGHT WITH EACH ONE. THE NEXT TIME IT COMES BACK LET'S TALK ABOUT PRIORITIZING IT EITHER THROUGH A RESOLUTION OR HOWEVER YOU NEED TO DO IT. BUT OKAY. AND WE CAN START IF WE NEED REFERENDUMS OR ANYTHING, WHATEVER WE YEAH, YOU GUYS CAN BRING US BACK THE WATERFRONT. UTILIZING THE HALF SIZE SALES TAX DOESN'T REQUIRE REFERENDUM DOES IT? NO, NO. JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE. YEAH THE PENALTY IS NOW. BUT IF IT'S WATERFRONT. YEAH. IF IF CITY OWNS WATERFRONT PROPERTY WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING MORE THAN TEN YEARS WITH IT. OKAY. REFERENDUM. BUT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE NO ISSUE UNDER THIS FOR GOOD. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? THANKFUL. THAT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT, MR. MATHESON. YES. THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE FOR THAT. THAT. AND I KNOW WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT INSIGHT. CAN I TAKE A MOMENT TO MOMENT? SURE. SOMETHING I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT MR. MATHESON HAS NOT ONLY BEEN OUR MAYOR AND A COMMISSIONER IN THE COMMUNITY, AND NOW HE'S WORKING ON THE LOCK SOLUTION, BUT HE'S ALSO LOST HIS DAD, WHO WAS A VERY, VERY PROMINENT ATTORNEY AND A STALWART SUPPORTER OF THE ENVIRONMENT. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT BOB MATHESON AND THE MATHESON FAMILY HAS DONE IN MARTIN COUNTY, AS WELL AS IN THE CITY OF STUART. AND WE JUST WANT TO I KNOW IT'S A SAD TIME, BUT WE WE THANK YOU.

TELL BOB THAT I THANK HIM. HE KNOWS THERE'S AN ADDENDUM. JUST GIVE THAT TO YOU. YES, I KNOW THAT. WE KNOW THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE AN I. I ASKED HIM IF I COULD SPEAK

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WELL, JUST SIT FOR A MINUTE. OH OKAY OKAY. WHEN I GOT UP TOO FAST. OKAY OKAY. DON'T TRY AND GET UP FAST. NOW RESPECT. LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS. NO, LET'S JUST FINISH. BUT HOLD ON.

LET'S JUST RESPECT TOGETHER. OUT OF RESPECT. YES. JUST LET'S HAVE A MINUTE TO NOT AND STORMWR TREATMENT AREA BY THE DEADLINE OF MARCH 11TH. VERY BEGINNING WAS NOT ON ON RECORDING. SORRY.

YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ME SAY IT AGAIN. YEAH, I WOULD, I GOT THIS. I NEED A KIND BAR. OKAY, SO PERMISSION TO SUBMIT COMMENT LETTER TO THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS ON THEIR PROPOSED OPERATION MANUAL FOR THE C-44 RESERVOIR AND STORMWATER TREATMENT AREA BY THE DEADLINE OF MARCH 11TH, 2026. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER ONE ON THE ADDENDUM. RUTH HOLMES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO THIS LETTER JUST IS WHAT IT SAYS IT IS. SO YOU KNOW THAT THE RESERVOIR AND STAY OUT THERE OFF OF THE C-44. IT HASN'T BEEN OPERATING AS ANTICIPATED BECAUSE OF SEEPAGE ISSUES, AMONG OTHER THINGS. AND SO THEY'VE HAD TO PUT OUT SOME INTERIM OPERATING PROCEDURES. AND I KNOW IT SOUNDS REALLY BORING AND WONKY, BUT IT'S

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THERE'S SOME TALK ABOUT IT THAT MAY NOT MEET WATER QUALITY STANDARDS. GOING TO EVERGLADES AGRICULTURAL EVERGLADES PROTECTION AREA. AND IT HAS TO. AND SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, STAKEHOLDERS ON THIS SIDE OF THE CITY OUGHT TO BE CONCERNED, JUST LIKE PEOPLE ARE WITH THE AA, THAT WATER QUALITY STANDARDS NEED TO BE MET, AND IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE OPERATION MANUAL TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MET. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT THIS LETTER TO SAY.

AND WITH YOUR AUTHORIZATION I'LL EDIT THAT AND ANYBODY CAN REVIEW IT. AND THEN BUT IT NEEDS TO GO IN ON BY WEDNESDAY. CLOSE OF BUSINESS. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE. YEAH. CAN I ASK A QUESTION. APPROVAL. IT'S UNDER DISCUSSION. DELIBERATION. NO IT I THINK YEAH. WE NEED AUTHORIZATION FOR IT TO SEND IT. RIGHT. I'LL MAKE I'LL MAKE A MOTION IF WE CAN ALWAYS DO CONSENSUS AFTER THE MOTION TO SAY THAT. YEAH. CAN I JUST TALK TO YOU ABOUT A FEW THINGS? I MEAN. ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS THIS IS A VERY ROUGH DRAFT. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. YEAH. MOVE APPROVAL THAT WE WE SUBMIT THIS LETTER TO THE ARMY CORPS REGARDING THE OPERATION, THE PROPOSED OPERATIONAL MANUAL, WHICH IS THE P O M OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND. BY THE. YEAH, BY THE DEADLINE OF MARCH 11TH, 2026, TO BE FINALIZED AND SUBMITTED WITH THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE AND THE PROVIDED BY THE CITY ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER TO THE MAYOR FOR HIS SIGNATURE. I SECOND THE MOTION. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. MARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? NO. CAN I JUST. YES. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS, MISS HOLMES. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SENSE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THE ISSUES SHE'S DEALING WITH, SOME OF THE INFORMATION IN THIS LETTER CAME FROM A STUDY WE AUTHORIZED CORRECT. THE HAZEN REPORT, WHICH SHE RECENTLY RECEIVED. GO DOWN AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE IT'S I'M PRETTY GOOD AT READING THAT STUFF. BUT IT IS IT IS IMPRESSIVE IN ITS COMPREHENSIVENESS AND COMPLEXITY. SO I'D JUST LIKE TO GIVE US CREDIT FOR ALLOWING HER TO AUTHORIZE THAT FIRM TO PROVIDE US WITH THAT STUDY. AND WE COULD HAVE TERRIFIC RESULTS IF THEY. THANK YOU. AND ALL CREDIT NEEDS TO GO TO HAZEN AND SAWYER. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. WELL, YOUR PARTNERS, CONSULTANTS, THAT IS HELPING US PROVIDING. THANK YOU. THAT MAYOR COLLINS.

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SEEING NO FURTHER ITEMS? YES. OKAY. I JUST WANTED THIS VOTE TO GO THROUGH THERE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN HELP WITH THIS. RUTH IS REALLY SHOULD BE ON THE MAILING LIST, EMAIL LIST OR WHATEVER FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS SHE HAS REQUESTED. I THINK WE'VE REQUESTED. I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU GET TO TO GET HER ON THAT LIST, BECAUSE THIS IS WHY WE'RE IN THE 11TH HOUR ABOUT IT. YES. YES SHE DID. YEAH. BECAUSE THIS IS WHY WE'RE HERE AT THE 11TH HOUR. ADDENDUM.

YOU TALKED TO JEFF PRATER. IT'S USUALLY WITH COREY AT THE MEETINGS. YEAH. HE'S THE PR PERSON, ISN'T HE? HE'S HOW I GOT ON THAT LIST. HOW HARD IS THAT? HE'S THE HE'S ASKED SEVERAL TIMES. AND THIS IS WHY WE'RE HERE AT THE 11TH HOUR. I'VE EMAILED THEM SEVERAL TIMES.

CAN HE SIGN THE LETTER FROM THE MAYOR SAYING, PLEASE INCLUDE OUR AT THE NEXT RIVERS COALITION? GET A HOLD OF JEFF. OKAY. YEAH, JEFF'S A GUY, ALRIGHT. AND IF SHE'S NOT THERE, IF YOU'RE THERE, COULD YOU PULL HIM TO THE SIDE? I MEAN, YOU'RE ASKING ME TO REMEMBER. I'LL REMEMBER. OKAY. IT'S JUST THAT WE MIGHT HAVE MISSED THIS. IF YOU GET A HOLD OF JEFF. AND SHE HAD TO DO THIS LAST MINUTE. THANK YOU. THAT WAS ALL

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