Oct 12, 2026 Regular City Commission Meeting

[ROLL CALL]

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MAYOR OF THE CITY OF STUART. CALLING TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE STUART CITY COMMISSION, OCTOBER 12TH AT THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS, 121 SOUTHWEST FLAGLER AVENUE. MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MAYOR. CLERK. YES, COMMISSIONER. JOB HERE.

COMMISSIONER MATHESON HERE. COMMISSIONER REID HERE. COMMISSIONER RICH. HERE. YES.

[INVOCATION]

[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. OF

[PROCLAMATIONS]

AND OKAY, A LITTLE WHILE WE'VE DONE SOMETHING WITH SAFE SPACE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET'S COME IN THE CENTER HERE FOR A PICTURE. COME ON, MAYOR, GET THE WHOLE GANG UP THERE. OH, THE WHOLE GANG. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU CAN SPEAK TO US. WE'LL PULL THIS UP. WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS BACK IN THE CENTER. OKAY. UNTIL WE HAVE THE LAST MOMENT. THANK YOU. IS THIS ON? YES. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JENNIFER FOX. I'M THE CEO OF SAFE SPACE. AND WE DO THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING OCTOBER AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. SO AT SAFE SPACE, WE'RE RECOGNIZING AND WE'RE ALSO HEARING FROM PROFESSIONALS IN THE COMMUNITY LIKE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRST RESPONDERS, MEDICAL FOLKS, THAT WE NEED TO START MOVING A LITTLE BIT MORE AWAY FROM ACTION OR AWARENESS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TO ACTION. THE NEED FOR OUR SERVICES HAS BEEN INCREASING. I HAVE A FEW NUMBERS FOR YOU. LAST YEAR, OUR SHELTER AND ADVOCACY PROGRAM SERVED 1047 ADULTS AND CHILDREN.

THAT'S 150 MORE THAN THE YEAR BEFORE. SAME STAFF 151. WE AVERAGE ABOUT 250 CRISIS

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OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DOCTOR. I JUST HAVE TO PULL IT DOWN. WE NEED TO GET A BETTER MICROPHONE. IS THAT BETTER? YEAH. THANK YOU. PUT YOUR MOUTH RIGHT ON IT. OUR NEXT. PROCLAMATION. THIS EVENT HAPPENED BETWEEN OCTOBER 2ND AND OCTOBER 6TH, WHICH IS AN ANNUAL EVENT. AND WE HAD THE 26TH ANNUAL BIBLE READING MARATHON RIGHT AT THE BANDSHELL IN STUART. AND WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION, MISTER BAGGETT. WHEREAS THE BIBLE IS A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF THE AMERICAN HERITAGE AND IS THE BASIS OF OUR INALIENABLE RIGHTS AND SERVES AND IT SERVES AS THE FOUNDATIONS OF OUR LAWS, OUR NATIONAL CHARACTER, AND OUR SYSTEM OF VALUES. AND WHEREAS PRESIDENT ULYSSES S GRANT STATED, HOLD FAST TO THE BIBLE AS THE SHEET ANCHOR OF YOUR LIBERTIES. AND PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN CALLED THE BIBLE THE BEST GIFT GOD HAS GIVEN MAN AND HISTORIANS CREDIT PRESIDENT GEORGE WASHINGTON WITH IDENTIFYING THE UNITED STATES AS ONE NATION UNDER GOD. AND WHEREAS THE YEAR 1990 WAS PROCLAIMED BY A JOINT CONGRESSIONAL RESOLUTION AND PRESIDENTIAL PROCLAMATION AS THE INTERNATIONAL YEAR OF BIBLE READING AND BIBLE READING WEEK HAS BEEN CELEBRATED ANNUALLY THEREAFTER. AND WHEREAS, THE BIBLE IS THE FOUNDATION FOR MANY BLESSINGS THAT WE ENJOY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. NOW THEREFORE, I ULA R CLERK, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 2ND THROUGH THE SIXTH 2026 AS THE 26TH ANNUAL BIBLE READING MARATHON. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND I KNOW THAT PASTOR EDDIE ISN'T HERE, BUT PASTOR JOANNE RODRIGUEZ IS HERE. FROM STEPPING TO GRACE NEW LIFE MINISTRIES, INC. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SPEAK FIRST OR YOU WANT TO GET YOUR PROCLAMATION FIRST. OKAY, WE'LL GET THE PICTURE IN PROCLAMATION FIRST. OKAY. YOU ARE THE. AUTHOR OF EVERYTHING. DOCTOR MORGAN, MISS RODRIGUEZ. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, FIRST, I JUST WANT TO THANK MAYOR AND THE

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THREE TIMES. PRAISE THE LORD. HALLELUJAH. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M GLAD TO BE HERE.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I'M KIND OF DOCTOR. I'M I'M DOCTOR JULIE BJORNSON AND I'M RETIRED. THANK YOU. AND BUT NOT REALLY BECAUSE I REALLY CARE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY AND I REALLY CARE ABOUT CHILDREN. AND WE'VE FOR 26 YEARS YOU SUPPORTED THE BIBLE READING MARATHON WITH A PROCLAMATION. I REALLY THANK YOU. AND WE WERE TOLD AFTER NINE OVER 11, LIKE DONNA SAID, THAT IT WOULD PROTECT US AGAINST TERRORISM. AND FOR 25 YEARS WE HAVE TITHED ONE TENTH TO OUR NATION'S 250TH HISTORY. THAT'S ONE TENTH 25 YEARS. I THINK THAT THAT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. OKAY, FOR 20 YEARS, I HAVE SET UP A NINE OVER 11 TRIBUTE BECAUSE WE SOMETIMES FORGET THAT NINE OVER 11 WAS A LONG TIME AGO, AND WE TALK ABOUT IT. BUT THIS YEAR WE HAD BOMB THREATS. WHEN I SET UP MY CORNER AND THE STUDENTS WERE WALKING THROUGH TO GO ON TO THEIR THEIR OVER PATRIOT BRIDGE, THEY HAVE A, A, A BIG, ALMOST 2000 PEOPLE SHOW UP WITH THE FIREMEN AND EVERYTHING. BUT THE BOMB THREATS AT MARTIN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL AND THE COLLEGE, THE STUDENTS WERE VERY, VERY AFFECTED BY IT, NOTABLY AFFECTED BY THOSE BOMB THREATS BECAUSE IT WAS REAL. AND IT'S HERE TODAY, AND IT COULD HAPPEN HERE IN MARTIN COUNTY AND STUART AND AND SO WE NEED TO REALLY REACH OUT TO THE STUDENTS AND LET THEM KNOW. SO I, I CALLED THE MARTIN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND HE SAID, SO FAR, WE'VE HAD NO TERRORIST ATTACKS IN MARTIN COUNTY. AND ADDED THAT MARTIN COUNTY STAYS VIGILANT WITH PALM BEACH AND WITH SAINT LUCIE COUNTY'S. SO WE THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEY'RE LOOKING AFTER US,

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IT WAS JUST A VISION. VISION IS EYE MOVEMENT COORDINATION. PEOPLE THINK IT'S EYE BEING ABLE TO SEE CLEARLY, BUT IT'S VISION IS THE ABILITY TO PUT THE BRAIN TO PUT TWO EYES TOGETHER, TO SEE ONE IMAGE, AND THEN COMPREHENSION GOES UP AND YOUR THEIR ACADEMIC LEVELS JUST SOAR. AND I'VE, I'VE DONE THAT. I'VE RESEARCHED IT. I DID A PRIVATE CHRISTIAN HIGH SCHOOL AND TESTED 70 HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AND ONLY 220 THEY HAD PHDS AND LITERATURE AND I MEAN PHDS, MASTERS, MONEY, CARS, CARS, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. AND ONLY 22 WERE READING AT OR ABOVE GRADE LEVEL BECAUSE THIS IS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. THIS DELAYED DEVELOPMENT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. SO WHY DO I CONTINUE MY EFFORTS TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN'S BRAIN DEVELOPMENT? A LITERATE NATION IS A HEALTHY NATION. I TRY, I FOUGHT FOR FLUORIDE, IT REDUCES

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BUT IT'S NOT FILTERING DOWN TO OUR CHILDREN. IT'S NOT FAIR THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT GETTING THE GETTING THE HELP THAT THEY NEED. AND IT'S NOT DRUGS, IT'S NOT SURGERY. IT'S JUST UNDERSTANDING WHAT CAUSES THE DELAYED BRAIN DEVELOPMENT AND ELIMINATING THAT AND ADDING WHAT'S RIGHT AND KNOWING WHERE THEIR WHAT NORMAL IS AND GETTING THEM THERE. I HAD ONE FAMILY COME TO ME, MY DAUGHTER'S NOT READING, SHE'S IN 10TH GRADE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. I WENT UP THERE AND GAVE THEM SOME EXERCISES TO DO AND TOLD THEM WHAT TO DO. SHE'S NOW IN A NATIONAL POETRY CONTEST. THEY'VE GOT INTELLIGENCE, UNLIMITED INTELLIGENCE, AND WE NEED TO UNLOCK IT. WE NEED TO BECOME 100% LITERATE RIGHT HERE IN MARTIN COUNTY. WE NEED TO SET A GOAL AND REACH IT. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S IT'S HARD, BUT BOYS MUST BE TRAINED IN HIGH SCHOOL. WE'RE LOSING OUR BOYS MOST OF THE HIGH. MOST OF THE PRISONERS ARE MALE. MOST OF THE THE THE DROPOUTS IN HIGH SCHOOL ARE MALE. MOST. WE HAVE MORE MALES THAT HAVE AUTISM NOW. THEY NEED TO BE TRAINED. THE BRAIN HAS TO BE. THE VISION HAS TO BE TRAINED BEFORE THEY'RE TAUGHT TO READ OR. THEY BECOME VERY DISCOURAGED AND THEY DROP OUT. OKAY, WE'VE GOT OVER. I'M SORRY. I'M TAKING TOO MUCH TIME. THANK YOU. JULIE, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT PROCLAMATION IS REGARDING E-WASTE DAY, WHICH IS SET FOR OCTOBER 14TH, 2026. MR. BAGGOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE PROCLAMATION? WHEREAS THE CITY OF STUART IS COMMITTED TO PROTECTING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES AND PROMOTING A CLEANER, HEALTHIER COMMUNITY THROUGH RESPONSIBLE WASTE REDUCTION, REUSE AND RECYCLING PRACTICES, INCLUDING THE PROPER HANDLING OF ELECTRONIC WASTE, ALSO KNOWN AS E-WASTE, WHICH CONTAINS BOTH VALUABLE RECYCLABLE MATERIALS AND COMPONENTS REQUIRING CAREFUL DISPOSAL. AND WHEREAS THE CITY ENCOURAGES RESIDENTS TO REDUCE, REUSE AND RECYCLE WHENEVER POSSIBLE, FOLLOWING THE MESSAGE OF SAMMY SAILFISH, OUR CITY'S RECYCLING MASCOT, WHO REMINDS OUR COMMUNITY THAT THOUGHTFUL CHOICES ABOUT PURCHASING, USING, REUSING AND RECYCLING MAKE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT. AND WHEREAS THE CITY PROVIDES A CONVENIENT YEAR ROUND E-WASTE COLLECTION STATION AT 601 GEORGIA AVENUE FOR RESIDENTS TO PROPERLY DISPOSE OF RECHARGEABLE ELECTRONIC DEVICES, THEREBY RECOVERING VALUABLE MATERIALS, REDUCING LANDFILL WASTE AND SUPPORTING RESPONSIBLE END OF LIFE MANAGEMENT OF ELECTRONIC PRODUCTS. AND WHEREAS, NATIONAL E-WASTE DAY SERVES AS A VITAL OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE PUBLIC AWARENESS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF PROPERLY MANAGING UNWANTED ELECTRONICS AND TO ENCOURAGE PARTICIPATION FROM RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, SCHOOLS, ORGANIZATIONS AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS IN RESPONSIBLE WASTE REDUCTION IN RECYCLING PRACTICES. NOW, THEREFORE, I ULLAH R CLARK, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 14TH, 2026 AS THE E-WASTE DAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE HAVE MR. AND WE HAVE MR. MRS. HAWKINS AND ELLEN. JOSE. THANK YOU. THIS IS. THANK YOU. SPEECH TIME. OKAY. HI. MY

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COMMISSIONERS. WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THE ROOM. AND IF EVERYBODY LEAVES AFTER THESE AWARDS, THEN. SO I'M GOING TO ASK IF THE ARTS MOMENT IS READY. THEY COULD DO THEIR ARTS MOMENT, OR WE CAN CONTINUE WITH THE PRESENTATION OF THE SERVICE AWARDS. WE'LL HAVE THE ARTS MOMENT BY FLORIDA ARTS AND DANCE. AND I SEE THAT MY NIECE IS IN THE ARTS MOMENT. SHE'S BACK AFTER 20 YEARS.

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THE CELL SERVICE ISN'T THAT GREAT IN HERE. YOU CAN WORK ON IT. WE'LL GET THE AWARDS. LEILA. I HAVE DOWNLOADED. OH, OKAY. LEILA, YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT. WE'LL WE'LL DO THE SERVICE AWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST TAKE YOUR TIME. WE HAVE FOR A TEN YEAR

[PRESENTATIONS]

REACHING 25 YEARS AS A SIGNIFICANT MILESTONE, ONE EARNED THROUGH COUNTLESS HOURS OF SERVICE, DEDICATION, AND PASSION FOR SUPPORTING YOUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE HONORED TO RECOGNIZE THIS ACCOMPLISHMENT AND TRULY APPRECIATE THE STABILITY, LEADERSHIP, AND CONSISTENCY YOU BRING TO YOUR ROLE. ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR OUTSTANDING SERVICE. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS AND WISH YOU CONTINUED SUCCESS, GOOD HEALTH AND HAPPINESS IN THE YEARS AHEAD. THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE ON THE DAIS. PLEASE COME OUT.

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61? NO. COUPLE? NO, BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU. I'M GOING TO SCOOT THIS BACK. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ANOTHER LONG SPEECH. I THINK BOBBY AND MILTON UP HERE TWICE IN A ROW. THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 25 YEARS HAS GONE BY SUPER FAST BECAUSE IT FLIES WHEN YOU LOVE WHAT YOU DO. I REALLY ENJOY THIS JOB. I HAVE WORKED IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE MY WAY UP TO THIS ONE, AND IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT I THINK MAKE THE DIFFERENCE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S A PLEASURE WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU. AND JUST A SHOUT OUT TO MIKE LEE, SUSIE, NINA, RYAN. WE'RE ALL A REALLY GOOD TEAM UP THERE AND WE HAVE A GOOD TIME WHILE WE WORK TOGETHER. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I HOPE THAT THE ARTS AND DANCE HAS THEIR MUSIC TOGETHER. WE WILL GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO SET UP AND FLORIDA ARTS AND DANCE IS LED BY JOANNE GALLAGHER AND MISS MIMI, AND SHE SENT TWO OF HER DANCERS TODAY. ISLA IS LAYLA, LAYLA, LAYLA AND NASHIEQA.

WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. MUCH FROM THE NUTCRACKER. YEAH. THEY'RE GOOD.

I I'M SURE THAT THEY'LL TELL US ABOUT WHAT THEIR NEXT PERFORMANCE OF THE NUTCRACKER.

THE NEXT ONE IS GOING TO BE SUGAR PLUM FAIRY, WHICH IS USUALLY THE END OF IT. SHE IS A MAGICAL PERSON OF THE NUTCRACKER THAT MAKES DREAMS COME TRUE. AND SHE LEADS HER THROUGH THE JOURNEY, WHICH IS A ROLE I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO. LET ME DOUBLE CHECK, MAKE SURE THIS IS ACTUALLY CONNECTED TO THIS, I DO APOLOGIZE. PERFECT. THANK YOU.

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DECEMBER 10TH TO THE 12TH. DECEMBER 10TH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

PLEASE TELL MR. AND MISS JOANNE THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SIGN UP FOR NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 28027 OKAY. THANK YOU. SUSIE. OKAY. CITY CLERK READY? YES. WE HAVE COMMENTS BY

[COMMENTS BY CITY COMMISSIONERS]

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OKEECHOBEE HAD FOUR INCHES OF RAIN IN TWO HOURS THE OTHER DAY, AND THAT CITY JUST COULD NOT HANDLE IT. SO WE REALLY HAVE A CHALLENGE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT WE CANNOT PREVENT THESE DISASTERS. AND YOU NEED TO LOOK ALL OVER THE WORLD TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING AND HOW DRAMATIC THESE EVENTS HAVE BECOME. BUT IF WE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS AND SPEND WHAT'S REQUIRED, WE CAN MITIGATE THESE DISASTERS TO A GREAT DEGREE. I ALSO WAS I AM THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CITY OF STUART. I NOW SIT ON THE MANAGEMENT BOARD ON THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON COUNCIL, AND I WANTED TO GO AHEAD. MR. CHARLES, YOU CAN PUT THAT UP. I HANDED THIS OUT TO EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE CITY MANAGERS JUST TO MAKE THEM AWARE. BUT THE NEWEST GRANT RFP CYCLE IS JUST BEGINNING ON OCTOBER 15TH. THESE GRANTS CAN BE VERY SMALL, OR THEY CAN BE VERY LARGE AND VERY IMPACTFUL. CURRENTLY, THEIR WEBSITE LISTS THE ANNUAL AMOUNT AT JUST OVER $9 MILLION. SO THESE ARE NOT INCONSIDERABLE OPPORTUNITIES.

OBVIOUSLY, I'VE MADE THIS AWARE TO MISS HOLMES, BUT ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE I WANTED THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE OF IT. I WISH MR. GIGLIO WAS HERE. I THINK HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS. WHERE'S NEW YORK, DAVE? HE. HE USED. HE WAS HERE. BUT WITH REGARD TO, YOU KNOW, POPPLETON CREEK, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES THERE. AND EACH COMMISSIONER KNOWS DIFFERENT GROUPS AND DIFFERENT PEOPLES. AND I JUST HOPE YOU WOULD MAKE THEM AWARE OF THE OPPORTUNITY. THESE ARE VERY SIMPLE DESCRIPTIONS OF THESE CATEGORIES. THEY'RE ACTUALLY QUITE COMPLICATED. AND IF YOU'RE UNABLE TO GET TO THE LINKS, YOU CAN CERTAINLY EMAIL ME AND I'LL PROVIDE YOU FURTHER LINKS. BUT IT'S A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY. I ACTUALLY SIT ON THE REVIEW BOARD FOR THESE GRANTS. I OBVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE TO RECUSE FOR CITY OF STUART, BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS TO AS GREAT A DEGREE AS WE COULD IN THE RECENT YEARS. SO I HOPE WE CAN. I HOPE WE CAN FIND OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY GOING FORWARD. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER JOBY. HELLO, EVERYONE. AND FOR THE INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY OF ITALIAN ANCESTRY, I HOPE THAT YOU HAD A WONDERFUL COLUMBUS DAY. ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS, AND I NEED MARY'S HELP. SINCE SHE HAS SO MANY YEARS IN THE CITY AND KNOWLEDGE, THERE SEEMED TO BE A LITTLE CONFUSION ABOUT COMMISSIONER'S NOTES. THEY'RE TAKEN, THEY'RE GIVEN IN. AND I'D REALLY LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION BECAUSE ON

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SO I'D REALLY LIKE IT TO BE CLARIFIED. YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR CONTRACT REALLY READS IN REGARDS TO THAT VERSUS WHAT WAS SAID TO THE CBS REPORTER. SO I AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND. OH, GREAT. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T DRAFT THE CONTRACT. YOU DID. AND I SIGNED IT BECAUSE I HAD NO OBJECTION TO IT. IF YOU HAD SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT ME PRACTICING LAW, I WOULD HAVE SIGNED THAT, BECAUSE I'M NOT PLANNING ON PRACTICING LAW WHILE SERVING AS THE CITY MANAGER. BUT I DIDN'T MAKE A SINGLE EDIT. I JUST SIGNED THE CONTRACT YOU PRESENTED. THIS REALLY WASN'T ABOUT YOU SIGNING THE CONTRACT. IT'S ABOUT WHAT? IT'S A DISTINCTION IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE CONTRACT, RIGHT? IT WAS ABOUT WHAT WAS SAID TO THE CBS REPORTER BECAUSE SHE WAS LED TO BELIEVE IT WASN'T IN THE CONTRACT. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. SHE SHE DIDN'T DISCUSS THIS WITH ME ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SHE DIDN'T HAVE THE CONTRACT WITH HER. BUT I'M NOT PRACTICING LAW. AND THE CONTRACT SAID THAT IF IN FACT, IT WASN'T JUST PRACTICING LAW, BUT IF I DID ANY KIND OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS FINE WITH ME, I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT LIST TO THE HR DIRECTOR. BUT I HAD NO OBJECTION TO THE CONTRACT, SO I SIGNED IT. WHEN THIS LADY FROM THE CBS ASKED ME IF I WAS PRACTICING LAW, I SAID, NO, I'M NOT PLANNING TO AT ALL. OKAY, THAT ISN'T WHAT SHE REPORTED THOUGH. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW SHE REPORTED. OKAY, WELL, SHE REPORTED SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND I JUST NEEDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK YOU. AND AS FAR AS THE CONTRACTS CONCERNED, I KNOW WE HAD ASKED FOR 10% DEFERRED COMP. AND I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER RICH DECIDED THAT THAT HE DECIDED FOR YOU, I GUESS, THAT IT WOULD BE. 12 SO I'M NOT SURE, BUT THERE'S NO REASON TO NEGOTIATE IT NOW, YOU GUYS. NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND WE WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE OPTION TO NEGOTIATE. I JUST WANTED IT TO BE BECAUSE I THINK THE PUBLIC REALLY NEEDS TO KNOW ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT TAKE PLACE HERE AND TAKE PLACE, YOU KNOW, IN THE OFFICES AND WHATNOT. I JUST WANTED TO BE TRANSPARENT. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS. MISS KENDALL, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO RESPOND TO? YOU'LL PROVIDE THE INFORMATION. OH, SHE SAID SHE'D PROVIDE ME TO DO

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ALL I'M SAYING IS WE'RE GOING TO LET MARY ADDRESS THAT. OKAY. THEY HAVE ON MY END BEEN TURNED IN ANYTIME THEY'VE BEEN REQUESTED. RIGHT. WELL, THAT'S THE KEY. WHY THEY REQUESTED.

YES. AND I'D LOVE AN ANSWER IF BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THE STATE LAW IS EVERY SINGLE MEETING, COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO TURN IN ALL THEIR NOTES TO THE CITY CLERK. ALL I'M SAYING IS I'D LIKE IT TO BE A STANDARD, BECAUSE I WAS LED TO BELIEVE IT WAS AFTER EVERY TIME THAT YOU DID MAKE A STATEMENT FROM THE FROM THE DAIS. SO THAT'S ALL I'M LOOKING TO CONFIRM. IF IT'S NOT, THEN NONE OF US HAVE TO HAND THEM IN. BUT YOU'VE SAID IT. IT'S ALL PART OF THE RECORD.

BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER REED WAS TOLD. AND IT'S JUST IN THE LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY IT WOULD BE FOR ALL OF US TO TURN THEM IN. WE EITHER ALL DO OR WE ALL DON'T. AND THAT IS MARY IS GOING TO ADDRESS THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU. I'M HAPPY TO TURN MY NOTES. AND I'M UNHAPPY TO HAVE ACCUSATIONS THAT I'M NOT. I DID I, I DID NOT ACCUSE YOU OF NOT TURNING THEM IN. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR TURNING THEM IN. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. IT'S RECORDED ON THE MEETING. I BELIEVE YOU ACCUSED ALL THREE OF US OF NOT TURNING THEM IN. OKAY. WELL, SO YES, YOU DID.

LET ME LET ME REPHRASE THAT. THEN I APOLOGIZE. THEY WERE NOT COLLECTED AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER? NO.

I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE SOME COMMENTS THAT I'VE WRITTEN DOWN HERE. SO I HAVE A A MEETING WHICH IS AN AIRPORT ADVISORY MEETING ON OCTOBER 22ND. AND THEN TOMORROW ON THE 13TH, I'M GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN A HOUSING MATTER WITH LEHIGH AND SOME OTHER GROUPS THAT ARE LOOKING INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE TREASURE COAST AREA. AND I'M GOING TO BE MEETING WITH THOSE WITH THOSE PEOPLE ALSO ON THE 22ND. THERE'S A MURAL UNVEILING HERE IN THE FLAGLER PARK. STUART MAIN STREET IS GOING TO BE DOING THAT. AND THAT'S IN THE EVENING AT 5:30 P.M. THE PUBLIC CAN COME OUT TO THAT EVENT, AND EVERYBODY'S INVITED. THE REST OF THE COMMISSION IS INVITED TO THIS MURAL UNVEILING. AND FOR THE BATHROOM MURAL THAT'S BEEN PUT IN THERE AT THE FLAGLER PARK ON THE 9TH OF OCTOBER, I WENT ON A BOAT TOUR WITH HANNAH WALKER AND CAPTAIN MIKE HOLIDAY, ALMOST AT HOLLOWAY HOLIDAY FOR THE CAPTAINS FOR CLEAN WATER, AND THAT WAS A VERY GOOD PROGRAM. AND IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN THAT PROGRAM, I'M SURE THAT THEY'VE PROBABLY SENT LETTERS TO ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS. PLEASE GO WITH

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I WAS GOING TO SEND A NOTE TO THE CITY MANAGER, BUT I'LL WAIT UNTIL THAT ITEM COMES UP AND I'LL ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME ABOUT ITEM TEN. ITEM NINE AND 11 AND 13. OTHER THAN THAT, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WANT TO ASK ABOUT ANY OF THESE AGENDA ITEMS TO MOVE SOMETHING OR PULL ANYTHING BEFORE I ASK FOR AN APPROVAL? OH, OKAY. CITY MANAGER ALL RIGHT. WE'RE NOT AT THE PULLING UP THE AGENDA. WELL, IF THEY WANTED TO PULL IT NOW,

[COMMENTS BY CITY MANAGER]

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BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WHEN I SAID THE RFP, I WAS CONFUSING IT WITH THE ISLAND PARTY RENTALS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE WEEK AFTER THIS, OR TWO WEEKS AFTER THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVED THE RFP OR THE LEASE AGREEMENT ORIGINALLY IN 2019, I BELIEVE IT WAS, THERE WAS ANOTHER RFP THAT THE CITY COMMISSION DID AWARD TO STEWART MAIN STREET, WHICH WAS FOR THE OPERATION OF THE GREEN MARKET IN FLAGLER PARK, WHICH IS WHY I CONFUSED THE RFP. IN ANY EVENT, IT STILL LEADS ME BACK TO THE PARCEL THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY OWNED RENTED BY A STATE REPRESENTATIVE, OVERDORF. WHEN THOSE HISTORIC PROPERTIES WERE RELOCATED TO THAT AREA, IT WAS THE VISION OF THE CITY COMMISSION TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE PROPERTIES. THAT PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY LEASED TO SOME ENGINEERS THAT ONLY USED IT PART TIME WHEN THEIR LEASE EXPIRED. WE HAD ALREADY LEASED THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO FIRST CONGRESSMAN ROONEY, THEN CONGRESSMAN MURPHY, THEN CONGRESSMAN MAST. SO WHEN THE TEN YEAR TERM BASED THE REFERENDUM LANGUAGE HAD PROHIBITED US FROM RENEWING THE LEASE WITH THE ENGINEERS. THE DIRECTION FROM STAFF TO STAFF WAS FOR US TO APPROACH A PUBLIC OFFICIAL SO THAT THAT PROPERTY WOULD REMAIN ESSENTIALLY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. DURING THE BUDGET DISCUSSION, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THAT THE THAT PROPERTY WAS BEING OR THOSE PROPERTIES WERE BEING LEASED OR UNDER MARKET. SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSION WANTED ME TO GO OUT TO A STRAIGHT RFP ON THAT PROPERTY AND LET IT BE COMMERCIAL RATES. AND WHOEVER IS THE HIGHEST BIDDER GETS THE PROPERTY. OR IF YOU WANTED ME TO CONTINUE WITH THE POLICY THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN ADOPTED BY THE BOARD, I'M HAPPY TO PUT THAT ON AS AN AGENDA ITEM OR HOWEVER YOU GUYS WANT ME TO HANDLE IT, BUT I HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN ANY INDICATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I DID SPEAK TO REPRESENTATIVE DORFF'S OFFICE AND HIS. HE IS NO LONGER IN OFFICE AND AS A RESULT, HIS TERM IS UP AND THE PROPERTY IS ESSENTIALLY VACANT AND THAT LEASE IS OVER. NEXT THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS THE A DOCUMENT THAT MR. TUROWSKI HAS GIVEN ME TO SIGN. IT'S A FAIRLY STANDARD ADMINISTRATIVE MATTER, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE COMMISSION DIDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION. AND THIS IS FOR THE ASSIGNED FOR MILITARY AERIAL SUPPORT FOR A FLYOVER OF AN F-16 VIPER AT THE AT THE VETERANS DAY EVENT. AND SO. AND WITHOUT OBJECTION, I CAN SIGN THIS AND SUBMIT IT TO THEM FOR THE FLYOVER. BUT IF ANY COMMISSIONERS HAD ANY ISSUES, I'M HAPPY TO NOT SIGN IT OR ADDRESS THEM. NEXT THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS LAST WEEK WE HAD A PUSHBACK FOR THE NEW QUINT AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHICH WAS WELL ATTENDED AND A NICE EVENT. WE GOT TO SEE THE TALLEST LADDER IN THE COUNTY IN ACTION. I THOUGHT SOME OF OUR COMMISSIONERS WERE GOING TO GO TO THE TOP, BUT ULTIMATELY, CALMER HEADS PREVAILED AND THEY DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO DO THAT. IN ADDITION, THERE'S BEEN THERE WAS SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS LAST WEEK, AND I'VE ALSO RECEIVED SOME EMAILS REGARDING SOME OF THE FLOODING IN EAST STUART AND ON STYPMANN STAFF IS WORKING ON BOTH OF THOSE MATTERS. THE STYPMANN MATTER HAS BEEN ONGOING. IT STARTED OUT AS A SIDEWALK PROJECT AND THEN EVOLVED INTO THE FLOODING OR INTO THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM, AND AS A RESULT, IT DELAYED THE SIDEWALK SYSTEM SO WE COULD REDESIGN THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM. BUT IT IS MOVING FORWARD AND WE

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AND WE'D HAVE TO RECORD A MAINTENANCE MAP. BUT FIRST WE HAVE TO HAVE THE MAINTENANCE MAP PREPARED. THEN WE HAVE TO PRESENT IT TO ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THAT CORRIDOR AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S COMPLETE AWARENESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING IT AND WHAT WOULD TAKE PLACE, BUT THEN IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL BE IN NOVEMBER OR NOT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU THE REASON IT WAS ON THE AGENDA, BUT STATED WITHDRAWN. NORMALLY, IF SOMETHING WASN'T GOING TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM, IT SIMPLY WOULDN'T BE THERE. BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, BECAUSE IT WAS SET FOR A DATE, CERTAIN WE INCLUDED IT. AND THEN LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I THINK THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER JOB HAS HER LIGHT ON. IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS NOW, OR CAN WE, IN REGARDS TO WHAT THE CITY MANAGER WAS JUST REQUESTING? SO IF YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL THE END OF THE MEETING TO DO THAT, OR WE COULD DO IT NOW, IT WAS A CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD TO GIVE HIM AUTHORIZATION TO TO SIGN THE DOCUMENT FOR THE FLYOVER. WHAT'S THE PLEASURE THAT MR. KOWALSKI, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN THAT TO US BRIEFLY? I THINK IT'S NOT REALLY MUCH TO EXPLAIN. YEAH, IT'S JUST IT'S FLYOVER. YEAH, IT'S FOR THE FOR VETERANS, FOR VETERANS DAY. AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT DROPPING ANYTHING. WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT. WE HAVE. WE THIS EVENT IS NOT BEING RUN BY THE CITY. RIGHT. YEAH. WE HAVEN'T HAD. NO IT IS NOT. BUT NO, TO HAVE A FLYOVER WE HAVE TO SIGN OFF. WE HAVE TO AGREE TO IT. OKAY. SKYLER GORMAN, WHAT'S IT WHAT'S THE PLEASURE? I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT. I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS ANY. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT? I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A NICE HONOR TO HAVE A FLYOVER FOR OUR PARADE. SO ALL IN FAVOR. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. PLEASE REPORT THAT. THANK YOU. I'LL JUST NEED TO TREAT AS A FOLLOW UP RESOLUTION. I JUST I WILL TREAT IT AS CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD TO AUTHORIZE THE ADMINISTRATIVE MATTER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER THING, WE CAN COME BACK AS A D AND D OR DISCUSS THE RENTAL MATTER. YES. YEAH. IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO PUT THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA, I'LL DO THAT. OKAY. UNLESS YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS SOME OF IT TODAY. THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON I BRING IT UP TODAY WAS THE RFP CONFUSION. OKAY. THANK YOU,

[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

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[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (Non-Agenda Related)]

WHAT IS YOUR REAL ADDRESS OR WHATEVER. MAYBE YOU CAN TELL ME FOR SOME REASON NOTHING'S COMING TO YOU, WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE WHY YOU IGNORE ME. OR MAYBE DO YOU HAVE IT SET UP THAT YOU DON'T GET MY STUFF? THAT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT ANYWAY. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. ALL, ALL, MISS ROJ. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. CITY, WE'RE GOING TO HOLD IT FOR YOU. STOP MY TIMER. COULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE THE COMMISSION PHONE? I MEAN EMAIL ADDRESSES TO MISS ROJ AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE? NO, I, I HAVE THEM. THOSE ARE THE CORRECT EMAIL ADDRESS. NOT GET INTO THIS. THANK YOU. AND THEN START MY TIME AGAIN, PLEASE. THANK YOU. YEAH. I'M NOT GOING TO COME HERE AND MAKE UP A STORY. GOOD EVENING. I'M STANDING HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THE DECISION MADE BY COMMISSIONERS CLERK MATHESON AND RICH TO REHIRE MICHAEL MORTEL IS A COMPLETE FAILURE OF DUTY TO THE CITY BY VOTING TO BRING HIM BACK. YOU THREE ACTED LIKE THE THREE STOOGES OF THE COMMISSION, IGNORING FACTS, ETHICS AND BASIC ACCOUNTABILITY.

LET'S BE ENTIRELY CLEAR ABOUT WHO YOU PUT ON THE PUBLIC PAYROLL OR BACK ON THE PUBLIC PAYROLL. HE'S NOT JUST A BAD HIRE. HE'S A MAN WHO HAS LIED, COMMITTED PERJURY, DEFRAUDED BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL COURT. AND BEYOND THAT, HE HAS DEFRAUDED AND DECEIVED THE VERY COMMISSION THAT HIRED HIM. THIS IS NOT AN OPINION. THIS IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC, DOCUMENTED PROOF. THE PAPER TRAIL EXISTS AND THE OFFICIAL RECORDS ARE CLEAR. WHEN AN OFFICIAL PERJURES THEMSELVES AND DECEIVES A COURT OF LAW, THAT IS NOT A POLICY DISAGREEMENT.

THIS IS CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR IN ANY FAIR SYSTEM OF JUSTICE. MICHAEL MORTEL SHOULDN'T BE SITTING IN A CITY OFFICE RECEIVING PUBLIC FUNDS. HE SHOULD BE IN A JAIL CELL FOR THE CRIMES HE HAS ALREADY COMMITTED AGAINST THE PUBLIC AND OUR LEGAL SYSTEM. TO COMMISSIONERS CLARK, MADISON AND RICH, YOU WERE ELECTED TO PROTECT THE CITY, NOT TO ENABLE SOMEONE WHO TREATS THE COURT AND THIS COUNCIL IN CONTEMPT BY REHIRING HIM. DESPITE THE DOCUMENTED PROOF, YOU HAVE MADE YOURSELVES COMPLICIT. THE PUBLIC SEES THE PROOF AND THE CITIZENS KNOW THE TRUTH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. IS THERE ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS I DO I HAVE CLAY SHARE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS CLAY TREEMAN SHARER HERE. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW EXCITED I AM TO HEAR YOU ALL BRING UP THE TOPIC OF TREES RIGHT IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. SO HOW COULD I NOT COME UP HERE AND FOLLOW THAT UP AND AND MAYBE URGE YOU ONCE MORE TO HELP US SORT OF GET GOING WITH A FORMAL TREE PLANTING PROGRAM OUTSIDE THE CRA. SO IN THE CITY, OUTSIDE THE CRA PANEL AND TEAM DO A GREAT JOB WITHIN THE CRA, AS YOU KNOW. WELL, I THINK ALL OF YOU HAVE SUPPORTED THIS EFFORT. ONE OF THE MEETINGS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, MAYBE COMMISSIONER MATHESON IS STILL A BIT NEW TO IT, SO IT MIGHT BE NEW TO HIM. BUT PROJECT SHADE MAKER, OF COURSE, WE HAVE A PLAN PUT TOGETHER BY A A BIT OF AN EXPERT CITIZEN PANEL. MILTON AND PETER HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN IT TO SOME DEGREE, AND THEY LOOK AT THEM. THEY'RE SO EXCITED TO GET GOING ON THIS PLAN, BUT EXCITED. I WOULD JUST I URGE THE COMMISSIONERS TO MAYBE GIVE SOME DIRECTION TO THE TO CITY STAFF, THE CITY MANAGER TO CAN WE ONCE AND FOR

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THANK YOU, MR. HELLMAN. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS DAVID KELLMAN, 950 SOUTH COUNTY HIGHWAY. I HEAR SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS. AND WHEN PEOPLE COME UP HERE, THEY HAVE THEIR OPINIONS. THEY CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT. IF THIS COMMISSION IS, IS, IS DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE CITY OF STUART. THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS. THE CITY, YOU KNOW, TO COME UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT WHO'S CRIMINALS, WHO DOES THIS WRONG, WHO DOES THAT WRONG. THERE'S THREE SIDES TO EVERY STORY IN THIS WORLD. OKAY, YOU GOT ONE, TWO, AND THEN YOU GOT THE TRUTH IN THE MIDDLE. SO TO SIT HERE AND BELITTLE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PUBLICLY IN FRONT OF IN FRONT OF, YOU KNOW, NEWS CAMERAS, I'M ASSUMING BACK THERE OR ON, ON YOUTUBE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, IN MY OPINION, IS JUST RIDICULOUS. WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE IN ALL HONESTY, LET'S JUST ALL WORK TOGETHER HERE. YOU GUYS ARE THE COMMISSIONERS NOW. SO UNLESS THERE'S SOME MIKE IS THE MANAGER. THERE'S NOTHING. ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO COME UP HERE AND PUBLICLY HUMILIATE ANYBODY IS GOING TO DO TO CHANGE THAT, REGARDLESS WHAT THEY SAY THINGS ABOUT COMMISSIONER REED OR RICH OR MATT, ANYTHING. SO MY WORDS TO THE CITY OF STUART AND THE RESIDENTS HERE ARE EITHER PROVIDE THE PROOF AND MAKE A CLAIM WITH THE STATE OR WHOEVER YOU HAVE TO DO, OR BE QUIET. I DON'T IT'S JUST I MEET WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE. I HAVE A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND THEY COME TO ME AND I HEAR THEIR SIDE OF THE STORY, AND THEN I GO TO SOURCE AND I HEAR THEIR SIDE OF THE STORY, OKAY? AND I MAKE UP MY OWN DETERMINATION. THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD WORK. PEOPLE SAY THINGS ABOUT OUR CITY ATTORNEY, ABOUT MIKE, ABOUT THIS, ABOUT I I'M SO TIRED OF HEARING IT.

JUST THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF STUART EITHER WORK TOGETHER OR MAYBE MOVE TO PORT SAINT LUCIE, MAYBE MOVE TO JUPITER, MAYBE MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. YOU KNOW, I'VE OWNED HERE FOR 25 YEARS.

I'VE GOT MULTIPLE PROPERTIES IN THIS IN THIS CITY. OKAY. I, I'M JUST I'M TIRED OF BEING A MENTALLY ABUSED BY PEOPLE BECAUSE I STAND UP FOR THIS ONE OR I STAND UP FOR THAT ONE OR I'M, I'M RUNNING FOR COMMISSIONER IN TWO YEARS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, PEOPLE JUST NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY. CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF YOU. AND LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD AND, AND, AND STOP THE NONSENSE. THANK YOU, MR. CALVIN.

MADAM CLERK, I HAVE NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. MAYOR. NO FURTHER COMMENT CARDS. GREEN CARDS FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO NEEDS TO SPEAK ON NON AGENDA ITEM? WE'RE

[APPROVAL OF CONSENT CALENDAR]

THANK YOU. YOU WANT TO DO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS THE MINUTES FIRST? I NEED A SECOND.

SECOND. OH, WE NEED A SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MATHESON. OKAY. COMMISSIONER RICH. YES.

COMMISSIONER. MATHESON. YES, COMMISSIONER. YES. COMMISSIONER. REED. YES. MAYOR CLARK. YES, THAT'S ALL OF THEM. SEVEN AND EIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'RE AT THE COMMISSION. ACTION ITEM NUMBER

[9. FPL EASEMENT ON GUY DAVIS COMMUNITY PARK (RC): RESOLUTION No. 77-2026; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, AND FLORIDA POWER & LIGHT ("FPL") FOR RELOCATION OF UTILITY POLES AT GUY DAVIS COMMUNITY PARK; PROVIDING FOR A FURTHER EXTENSION OF THE EASEMENT TO THE SOUTH; SUPERSEDING AND DECLARING RESOLUTION NO. 27-2026 NULL AND VOID; RESCINDING ALL RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES]

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SO IN THE IN THE DEED, THEY SAY $10 FOR CONSIDERATION. IT'S A TERM OF ART. JUST TO SAY THAT THERE WAS CONSIDERATION DOCUMENTED AS PART OF THE LEGAL DOCUMENT. I WAS JUST. SO THEY'LL MOVE UTILITY POLES FOR FREE. THIS. THAT'S WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE. THEY ARE RELOCATING. WOW. DO THEY DO THAT FOR HOMEOWNERS AS WELL IN THE CITY OR JUST THE CITY OF STUART IS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY. NO, BECAUSE FOR INSTANCE, FOR FPL POLES ON SEMINOLE STREET, WE HAD TO PAY FOR RELOCATION. WHY IS THIS DIFFERENT THOUGH? I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT THEY WERE GIVING US CREDIT FOR THIS PROJECT AND IT DIDN'T. THEY DIDN'T CHARGE US ANYTHING FOR RELOCATION AND I DIDN'T ARGUE THAT BENEFIT THEM. YEAH, I WOULD HAVE I WOULD HAVE ASKED JUST BECAUSE IF WE'RE PAYING THEM, LIKE YOU JUST SAID ON SEMINOLE STREET, AND IF HOMEOWNERS HAVE TO PAY, WHY WHY IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE IS FPL GIVING US A I GUESS WE HAVE A CREDIT WITH THEM. YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO FIND OUT. IT'S WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND, AND, AND I THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THAT ORIGINALLY THERE WAS GOING TO BE FEES, BUT THEN THEY CAME BACK AND SAID THERE WOULD BE NO FEES. I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHY THAT CHANGED, BUT THIS WAS A WHILE AGO. BUT I CAN LOOK INTO IT.

I'M SURE I HAVEN'T PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THE FEES BEFORE THEY RESCINDED THEM. NO, WE DID NOT HAVE THE FEE AMOUNT AT THAT TIME. WE JUST KNEW THAT IT WAS GOING TO COST US SOMETHING. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY CHARGE US FOR SEMINOLE STREET? I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME. SEMINOLES UNDERGROUNDING THOUGH. CORRECT. IT IS UNDERGROUNDING, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE THEN. BUT I WOULD JUST BE CURIOUS, LIKE, LIKE I SAID, FOR PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE CITY, IF THEY WOULDN'T CHARGE FOR RELOCATION OF UTILITY POLES AS WELL. UNLIKELY. WELL, WHY ARE THEY GIVING THE CITY OF STUART. I JUST I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT AS WELL, BUT I WOULD I'D LIKE TO GET THE SAME DEAL AS THE CITY OF STUART. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. WHY? WHY IS THE CITY OF STUART DIFFERENT THAN SHAWN REED GETTING A UTILITY POLE RELOCATED, OR COMMISSIONER RICH GETTING A UTILITY POLE RELOCATED? WE CAN CONTACT FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT AND BRING THAT BACK AT THE NEXT. YEAH, IF IT COULD COME BACK, I WOULD JUST BE CURIOUS. WHAT'S THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME? REPRESENTATIVE MARSHALL CRUTCHFIELD. WHY DON'T WE HAVE MARSHALL CRUTCHFIELD REACH OUT TO YOU? YEAH, BECAUSE WHAT A SWEET DEAL FOR MARSHALL IS. THAT'S NOT WHO THEY MIGHT COMMUNICATING WITH. THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE THAT WE WERE COMMUNICATING WITH. SO I'LL FIND OUT. OKAY. MAYOR, I WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING FORWARD. SO YOU, YOU YOU STILL NEED OUR YEAH. OUR RESPONSE ON THIS RESOLUTION 77, 2020, LIKE THE NEXT THE NEXT MEETING. SO THE QUESTION COULD BE ANSWERED ON PT DEAL LIKE THE CITY OF STUART RELOCATE UTILITY POLES. WELL, LET'S STOP THIS ITEM FROM GOING FORWARD TODAY. I DON'T SEE WHY IT WOULD BE A BIG ISSUE. WE'RE READY TO GO OUT FOR BID PRETTY SOON. SO WE WANTED TO GET THIS WRAPPED AWAY. I, I FEEL THE OPPOSITE WAY. IF IT WAS WE WERE PAYING AND HAD AN OPTION TO GET A BETTER. I LIKE TO KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TRY AND HOLD IT UP BECAUSE WE ARE RIGHT. HAVING THE POLES. I'M CURIOUS IS IF THE DISCUSSION CAME UP OF UNDERGROUNDING, I'D RECOMMEND IF YOU WERE GOING TO GIVE THE EASEMENT GOING FORWARD AND OBLIGATING IT SO THAT IF THEY DECIDE THEY WERE MISTAKEN AND WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE US, WE HAD ALREADY TAKEN STEPS IN FURTHERANCE OF IT. YES. THEY'RE MOVING THE POLE. BUT THE DISCUSSION CAME UP ABOUT UNDERGROUNDING THE UTILITIES.

NO, WE WERE NEVER GOING TO UNDERGROUND BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY COST US FUNDS. RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S WHY IT WAS JUST A RELOCATION. OKAY. AND THIS, THIS UTILITY EASEMENT, IT ACTUALLY BENEFITS THE, THE ADJACENT PLAZA. IT ACTUALLY POWERS THE, THE, THE PLAZA THAT'S ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY. OKAY, OKAY. ARE YOU FINISHED, COMMISSIONER? YES,

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COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL COMMISSIONER. YES, COMMISSIONER. RICH. YES. COMMISSIONER. REED.

[10. GRANTWORKS CONTRACT AMENDMENT FOR FY2027 (RC): RESOLUTION No. 79-2026; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF STUART, FLORIDA, APPROVING AN AMENDMENT AND EXTENSION TO A GRANT WRITING SERVICES CAGREEMENT WITH GRANTWORKS, INC.; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.]

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS BEFORE ANYWAY. AND IT WANTED TO BE ALIGNED WITH OUR FISCAL YEAR.

RIGHT. THAT WAS WHAT NOW MADE OF MAY, RIGHT. OKAY. MR. COLON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING OR NOT? UNLESS. THANK YOU. AS AS THE ATTORNEY POINTED OUT, THE CONTRACT WAS $50,000 PER YEAR, BUT IT WAS FROM MAY TO MAY 30TH. SO IN THEORY, OR IT WAS 35,000. BUT IN THEORY ARE YOURS OCTOBER TO SEPTEMBER 30TH. AND SO IT COULD FALL ON BOTH SIDES OF OUR YEAR. AND THIS MAKES IT A LINE SO THAT THE NUMBERS LINE UP BETTER. THANK YOU. WITH COMMISSIONER REED. YES. SO THE CON IS IT GOING. IT WENT FROM 35,000 TO 50,000 PER FISCAL YEAR, CORRECT? CORRECT. IS THERE A REASON WHY WHAT WAS THE THE REASON? AGAIN, IT'S UP TO AND I GUESS WE STAFF BELIEVE WE NEEDED UP TO 50,000 VERSUS 35,000. OTHERWISE WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU TO GET AUTHORIZATION TO EXCEED 35. AND I THINK OUR EXPERIENCE OVER THE LAST YEAR HAS. WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY NEED IT. SO. OKAY, SO THIS. SO GRANT WORKS. WE STARTED THEY WERE THEY BECAME A VENDOR OF THE CITY OF STUART'S IN MAY OF 2025. THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THEY SIGNED ON BOARD.

CORRECT. ACCORDING TO RFP 2025-3 HUNDRED. OKAY. AND THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF DIFFERENT VARIETY OF GRANTS FOR US SINCE THAT PERIOD OF TIME. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY INCREASED THEIR INVOICING. NO CITY. IT'S MORE SO THE CITY NEEDED MORE OF A BUDGET FOR MORE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES. YEP. OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT. THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER RICH. IN FACT, WE BUMPED UP AGAINST THAT $35,000 AND WE WE SPENT ALL THAT MONEY, DIDN'T WE, USING THEIR SERVICES. MR. COOLEY, DO YOU KNOW HE'S HE'S ANSWERING THE AFFIRMATIVE. YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. UP TO THE PODIUM, MR. COLON. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. ANTHONY. THAT'S CORRECT. WE DID HIT UP AGAINST THE 35,000 LIMIT. AND SO THEN WE JUST HAD THEM HOLD OVER AND IT WAS MAY OF THIS YEAR. AND THEN IT CLICKED OVER FOR YOU KNOW, SO THE THE ATTORNEYS RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S MAY TO MAY, IT CROSSES OUR FISCAL YEAR AND IT'S JUST AN AWKWARD TIME TIME. SO WE JUST ALIGNED IT WITH THE FISCAL YEAR $50,000. AND SO IT'S JUST TO SIMPLIFY THINGS. DID WE DID WE RECEIVE ANY MONEY FROM THE GRANTS THEY HELPED US SUBMIT? I THINK POLICE USE THEM FOR A GRANT AND RECEIVE SOME, BUT I CAN'T I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. REALLY. WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW.

YEAH, I THINK THEY HAD SOME INVOLVEMENT IN THE BRIDGE FOR THE RAILROAD BRIDGE. AND GRANT WORKS HELPED ON THAT, MR. CHOMSKY. THEY DID. THEY DID ORIGINALLY. AND THEY THEY

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I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY DID SOME WORK ON THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WITH FIND. OKAY.

BUT THAT WAS A. RIGHT. THAT WAS. SO THE $35,000 WE PAID THEM FOR GRANT. WAS ANY MONEY OBTAINED AS A RESULT OF THE $35,000 OF WORK THEY PROVIDED TO THE CITY OF STUART IN GRANT APPLICATIONS? I KNOW WE'VE USED THEM FOR POLICE GRANTS AND A CRA GRANT THAT WENT TO THE CRA, BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE AT THIS MOMENT WITHOUT RESEARCHING IT, TO TELL YOU, WE'VE GOT THIS MUCH MONEY FOR THE $35,000 WORTH OF WORK REQUEST THE OPPORTUNITY TO. I'M NOT ASSESSING THE AMOUNT OR QUALITY. WELL, I'M ASKING ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE WORK, BUT I WOULD HOPE, MR. CITY MANAGER, THAT YOU. YOU TRACK THEIR SUCCESS. I WILL GET THAT RESPONSE FOR YOU AS WELL. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSIONER REED, I THINK YOU HAD YOUR SIGN ON. YEAH, IT WAS JUST I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT SAME QUESTION THAT COMMISSIONER RICH DID, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD TABLE THIS TILL THAT'S ANSWERED. I'M JUST I'M CURIOUS, LIKE YOU SAID AS WELL, IF WE'RE SPENDING 50,000 OR 35,000 THE FIRST YEAR, HOW MUCH DID WE RECEIVE? BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY STARTED WITH THE BRIDGE APPLICATION, BUT THEY DIDN'T SEE IT THROUGH THE ENTIRETY. I THINK THAT FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THERE'S A TERMINATION CLAUSE IN IT. IS IT 60 DAYS OR OR WE CAN JUST NOT USE THEM AND NOT INCUR ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY. BUT WHEN I COME BACK TO YOU, AN EXAMPLE MIGHT BE THAT THEY MAY HAVE ASSISTED, AND I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE I WASN'T PARTICIPATING WITH IT, BUT I KNOW THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY WAS SEEKING SOME GRANTS REGARDING POPPLETON CREEK, AND THEY WORKED ON THOSE. IF WE DIDN'T GET THE GRANT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WERE FORGIVEN FROM THE OBLIGATION TO PAY THEM. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WAS SPENT ON THAT AS WE SIT HERE RIGHT NOW. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL FIND OUT. BUT IF THIS WAS MOVED TO THE NEXT MEETING, THIS WOULDN'T HAVE ANY EFFECT ON. NO IT WOULDN'T.

THEY'RE IN A THEY'RE IN A PENDING CONTRACT NOW FOR THREE YEARS. AND TERMINATION CAN BE MADE BY EITHER PARTY BY GIVING 30 DAYS WRITTEN NOTICE TERMINATION. SO THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION I WAS GOING IN. IT WAS MORE. SO WHAT HAVE WE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. RIGHT.

THERE YOU GO, COMMISSIONER. DO YOU HAVE TO DO WITHDRAW YOURS? YES. IT WAS THE SAME TYPE OF QUESTION. VERY WORTHWHILE. THE SAME TYPE OF QUESTION. SO WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD WITH REGARD TO RESOLUTION NUMBER 79 2026. MOTION TO TABLE TILL THE OCTOBER 24TH MEETING.

MOTION BY COMMISSIONER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER REED. PUBLIC. IS THERE ANY COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC ON ITEM NUMBER TEN? MOTION TO TABLE RESOLUTION NUMBER 79 2026. UNTIL WHAT DATE CERTAIN. OCTOBER 28TH. THE NEXT MEETING. NEXT MEETING. THE NEXT MEETING. COMMISSIONER. JOB IN THE INTERIM COULD BE. COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE BE ADVISED AS TO THE INFORMATION BEFORE WE COME TO VOTE ON IT AGAIN ON THE 28TH. APOLOGIES. MY MOTION WAS FOR THE 26, NOT THE 2826. I DON'T HAVE THE CALENDAR IN FRONT OF ME. WHATEVER THE NEXT. YEAH, I SHOULD MAYBE THIS YOU'RE SAYING ADVISE OF WHAT THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS. YEAH. SO WE WOULD KNOW THAT IN SUBMIT. AND DID WE RECEIVE THE MONIES OR NOT. RIGHT. YES. IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. DID I ASK FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. YES. OKAY. NO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. CLERK. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL COMMISSIONER? YES, COMMISSIONER.

MATHESON. YES. COMMISSIONER. REED. YES, COMMISSIONER. RICH. YES. MAYOR CLARK. YES. THANK YOU. WITH REGARD TO THE RECORD ON ITEM NUMBER 11 AND 12, DO YOU NEED TO READ OR DO ANYTHING OR SAY ANYTHING? CITY. THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING FORWARD. THAT'S JUST NOTED.

[13. COMMISSIONER SALARY DISCUSSION]

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AND THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS THAT WE MAY HAVE. WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK ON SOME THINGS.

THERE'S THIS IDEA OF RESCINDING THIS AND RESCINDING THAT, AND THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. THAT'S ALSO A PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS AND THE ABILITY FOR US TO BE SOMEWHAT FREE AGENTS. BUT WE KNOW THAT WE REPRESENT THE PUBLIC, AND WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THEM AND TRY TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS TO WONDER ABOUT WITH REGARD TO MAKING THE BEST DECISIONS, AND WHETHER THIS IS SOMETHING, I THINK WHEN YOU FIRST BROUGHT IT UP, THERE WAS A AND I DON'T I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THAT WAS IN THE IN THE IN THE NOTES FOR THIS DISCUSSION TODAY, BUT THERE WAS AN IDEA THAT SHOULD WE PARSE IT OUT AND SAY, LET'S ALL NOT TAKE A SALARY FOR A CERTAIN TIME, WHETHER IT'S A YEAR OR TWO YEARS OR WHATEVER, AND THEN COME BACK AND REDISCUSS IT OR LET'S REDUCE IT. BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S UP TO US. WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT, BUT WE NEED TO THINK CLEARLY. THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO THINK CLEARLY.

ANYBODY. COMMISSIONER MATHESON BEFORE COMMISSIONER JOB. OKAY. OR IF YOU WANT TO GO. NO, I THANK YOU. WELL, I, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE COMMISSIONER REED. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S VERY HONORABLE THAT HE'S VOLUNTEERED TO GIVE UP HIS SALARY. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS A DECISION THAT EACH COMMISSIONER CAN MAKE. YOU KNOW, FOR ANYONE WHO BELIEVES OUR SALARY IS A HIGH FIGURE FOR

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WELCOME TO. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. WELL. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT COMMISSIONERS GIVE UP THEIR SALARY AFTER BENEFITS FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. COMMISSIONER REED HAS MADE A MOTION. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. THE MOTION HAS BEEN SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? SO WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT HAVE MADE THE MOTION AND SECONDED. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, IF THE MOTION FAILS, ARE THE TWO BOARD MEMBERS GOING TO STILL FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THEIR INTENT? BECAUSE IT'S IT'S CLEAR THAT ANY COMMISSIONER CAN CHOOSE TO DO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE WITH THEIR SALARY. YEAH, SURE. THAT ISN'T WHAT THE MOTION SAID, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL. NO, THAT WAS

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PUBLIC ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ON THIS MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLAY SHEARER REED AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JOB, MR. SHEARER. GOOD EVENING, CLAY. SHARE HERE. I SAW THE ITEM ON THE THE AGENDA. A FEW DAYS AGO AND THE DIRECTION TOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT HAD TO DO SPECIFICALLY ABOUT REPAYING FROM, LET'S SAY, A BAD DECISION OR YOU MIGHT SAY A DECISION. I WOULD OFFER A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. DON'T CONFLATE, LET'S SAY, COMPENSATION. AND WHETHER IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG FOR COMMISSIONERS OR ANY ELECTED OFFICIALS TO BE COMPENSATED FOR THEIR ROLE. THERE'S LOTS OF SMART PEOPLE HAVE WORKED OUT AND DEBATED THAT, AND YOU CAN RESEARCH IT. THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN THAN WHAT YOU ALL ARE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT'S VERY INTERESTING. I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THIS, BUT REPAYING FOR, LET'S SAY, AN ERROR IN JUDGMENT. I WOULD URGE YOU NOT TO PASS THE MOTION. IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IT ON THE SURFACE THAT IT'S KIND OF A REASONABLE IDEA, HEY, THIS THING HAPPENED AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME WAY TO TO DEMONSTRATE A RETURN TO THE PUBLIC PURSE. IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA FOR MANY REASONS. YOU DON'T WANT TO BE. IF YOU PASS IT AS A POLICY, YOU'RE. ARE YOU GOING TO BE HELD TO THAT EVERY DECISION? THINK OF ALL THE DECISIONS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE MAKING THAT MAY HAVE FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES. AND THEN ARE YOU GOING TO BE MAKING THE DECISIONS FOR THE RIGHT REASON DOWN THE ROAD? IF YOU'RE CONCERNED THAT, OH, MAYBE I HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT $4 MILLION DECISION, OH, MAYBE I'LL. SO IT'S JUST A ON THE SURFACE IT SOUNDS RIGHT, BUT IF YOU DIG IN, IT'S A BAD IT'S A BAD IDEA. I WOULD URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THE MOTION. THANK YOU SIR. ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE PRESENTED A GREEN CARD? MISS RUSH? I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT. I APPRECIATE THIS.

IT'S HONORABLE WHAT COMMISSIONER REED IS DOING, AND I APPRECIATE THAT JOB WAS SEEKING IT. BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH MADISON. IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GO, BUT JUST THE IDEA THAT YOU PUT IT OUT THERE AND THAT YOU CARED. AND I WANT TO SAY THE, THE, THE THING WAS, WE COULD HAVE DONE WITH CAUSE, BUT Y'ALL WANTED TO PUSSYFOOT AROUND AND NOT DO IT WITH CAUSE WHEN YOU HAD GREAT CAUSE. AND THIS IS WHAT'S COSTING US THAT YOU ALLOWED MR. MORTEL TO LEAVE WITH OUT CAUSE JUST TO AVOID A LAWSUIT. AND LOOK WHAT YOU DID. YOU AVOID A LAWSUIT. BUT THEN HE WENT DOWN TO THE TRIAL COURT, AND NOW HE'S BACK HERE. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. IT'S ABOUT THAT YOU DID IT WITH WITHOUT CAUSE WHEN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN WITH CAUSE. BECAUSE YOU WERE TRYING TO BE NICE TO HIM. AND I EVEN AGREE WITH THAT AT THE TIME. LIKE, OKAY, JUST LET HIM GO. LIKE, LET'S NOT SHAME HIM IN PUBLIC. AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE. THAT'S WHERE THE ERROR LAY IS WHEN YOU DID IT WITHOUT CAUSE, YOU HAD SO MUCH.

CAUSE HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE MORE. WE DON'T ADD ON TO IT. HOPEFULLY HE BEHAVES. GOD BLESS.

MIKE MORTEL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS WITH CARDS? I DON'T HAVE A CARD, BUT GAIL.

GOLDIE. MISS GOLDIE. GAIL GOLDIE 1153 NORTHWEST 12TH TERRACE. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT REGARDING. GIVING UP YOUR SALARY OR WHATEVER, MY QUESTION IS, WHEN MR. MARTEL'S NEW CONTRACT WAS NEGOTIATED, DID ANYONE BRING UP THE IDEA THAT THE MONEY THAT HE RECEIVED AS HIS COMPENSATION FOR WHAT WAS IT CALLED THAT WHEN HE LEFT, WHEN YOU AS SEVERANCE HIS SEVERANCE, BECAUSE HE WAS NOT OUT FOR A YEAR. HE WAS OUT FOR HOW MANY MONTHS? BUT YET HE

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YES. COMMISSIONER. RICH. NO. THANK YOU. NUMBER 14, ELECTRONIC PUBLIC RECORDS

[14. ELECTRONIC PUBLIC RECORDS DISCUSSION]

COMMISSIONERS. THIS WAS A D AND D ITEM THAT WAS ADDED QUITE A WHILE BACK UNDER MR. GIARDINO.

SO IT'S TOOK A WHILE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF MOVING PIECES GOING ON, BUT WE, WE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT INTERNALLY AND I BELIEVE IT WAS A COMMISSIONER REED REQUEST. YES.

OKAY. WE FIND IT. LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT THE IT PERSON HAS A BLANK BOARD. YES. THIS IS THIS IS DARREN DUKE FOR THE RECORD. GOOD TO SEE HIM UP THERE. RIGHT. I'M GLAD TO SEE THE TV CAMERAS HERE BECAUSE THIS MIGHT BE MY GORDON RAMSAY OR SIMON COWELL BREAKOUT MOMENT.

OKAY, SO WHEN THIS WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP, IT'S ACTUALLY IT FROM MY TECHNICAL SIDE, IT KIND OF EXCITES ME A BIT. I'M NOT GOING TO LIE. THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING NEW WE'VE NEVER DONE.

BUT THERE'S ALSO FOR EVERYTHING WE DO IN TECHNOLOGY SERVICES, THERE'S ALSO I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY RAMIFICATIONS, BUT THERE'S CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WE DO STUFF. SO THIS IS A QUICK PRESENTATION. IT'S YOU KNOW, IT WAS A JOINT EFFORT. MARY KENDALL FROM THE CLERK'S DEPARTMENT WAS WAS VERY VALUABLE IN DOING THIS. AND WE SPOKE TO THE COUNTY. SO WE I APPRECIATE THEIR INPUT. AND ALSO ROSS JOHNSON FROM HR HAD HAD SOME INPUT. SO IT'S NOT JUST ME. IT'S THIS IS A GROUP EFFORT. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE COSTS, THE TIME, THE COMPLIANCE AND THE CYBERSECURITY. AND AGAIN, I WOULDN'T SAY THE WORD RAMIFICATIONS. I WOULD SAY CONSIDERATION. SO YOU GUYS CAN GO IN EYES WIDE OPEN. AND THIS CAN BE A KICKOFF OF A DISCUSSION ITSELF. SO WE HAVE FOUR MAIN AREAS. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT COST. WE DO BELIEVE INTERNALLY THAT THIS IS AT LEAST A ONE ADDITIONAL PERSON FTE. WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT THIS THAT WE COULD DO IT WITH THE STAFF WE CURRENTLY HAVE. I'LL GET INTO WHY IN A IN A FEW SLIDES, BUT WE WE DO SEEM TO HAVE A FEEL THAT THAT WOULD BE HOW THIS WOULD WOULD PLAY OUT TIME.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE AUTOMATIC. THERE'S NO MAGIC BULLET WE CAN JUST TURN ON THAT WILL MAGICALLY PUBLISH EMAILS THAT SHOULD BE IN THE PUBLIC PURVIEW, BECAUSE THERE'S A VERY HIGH RISK THAT WE COULD GET ONE WRONG. AND JUST A SINGLE EMAIL BEING PUBLISHED TO THE PUBLIC IN THE POLL THAT SHOULDN'T BE CAN OPEN OURSELVES UP TO A WHOLE WORLD OF HURT. YOU KNOW, WE I'VE TALKED A BIT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT THIS OVER

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WE'RE NOT UNDER THOSE RULES NECESSARILY TODAY, BUT COME 2028, WE WILL BE, AND I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF SLIDES ON EACH OF THESE MAIN SECTIONS. AND THEN LAST, YOU KNOW, THE THING THAT KEEPS ME UP AT NIGHT IS CYBER SECURITY. ANY ADDITIONAL SYSTEM WE HAVE INCREASES OUR ATTACK RISK. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A SECRET THAT, YOU KNOW, APRIL OF 2019 WAS NOT A GOOD MONTH FOR THE CITY OF STUART. IN FACT, IT COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT. THAT'S WHY I HAD THIS POSITION. SO WE WE WE DO KNOW WE DO UNDERSTAND THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. WE WERE OFFLINE FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF WEEKS BECAUSE OF THAT. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE COSTS. NEW STAFF, NEW SYSTEM. AGAIN, WHAT WOULD THIS NEW STAFF PERSON DO. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A DEDICATED STAFF WHO WOULD NEED TO REVIEW THE EMAILS, TAG THEM, AND I'LL GET INTO WHAT TAGGING IS IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES AND REDACT THEM. THIS WOULD BE A ALMOST DAILY ACTION. I'VE GOT SOME STATS LATER ON IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES, BUT WE'VE GOT SALARY, WE'VE GOT BENEFITS. WHERE WHERE'S THIS PERSON GOING TO LIVE AND WHAT IS OUR RECURRING ANNUAL COSTS. THAT'S ALL COVERED ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

WE HAVE COSTS FOR AN EMAIL PUBLISHING SYSTEM. WE'VE GOT A SELECT PROCURE AND STAND IT UP.

IT'S GOING TO BE LICENSING COSTS POSSIBLY. IT WILL DEFINITELY BE STORAGE COSTS AND IT WILL DEFINITELY BE ONGOING SUPPORT. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN JUST STAND UP AND FIRE AND FORGET AGAIN. IT'S NOT AUTOMATIC. NEITHER IS THE MAINTENANCE OF THE SYSTEM.

EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH CHAPTER 119 OF THE FLORIDA STATE. WE HAVE EXEMPTIONS. HOW DO WE HANDLE THOSE EXEMPTIONS IN THE SYSTEM? WE WE DO BELIEVE INTERNALLY AND THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE START ANYWAY, IS STARTING INTERNAL TAGGING OF EMAILS TO. SO. SO WE CAN MAKE IT EASIER ON THE CLERKS. SO IF IT'S A LEGAL EMAIL OR CYBERSECURITY EMAIL, WHICH BY RIGHT ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE PUBLICLY DISCLOSED, BUT WE OUGHT TO DO THAT. BUT IN AN AUTOMATE IN A SEMI-AUTOMATED SYSTEM, WHICH THIS IS THIS BECOMES CRITICAL. SO ON THE RIGHT, YOU'LL SEE THE BOX THERE. WE'VE GOT ONE TIME COSTS AND WE'VE GOT RECURRING COSTS.

AGAIN, NOT NOT A SURPRISE TO ANYONE THAT'S EVER DONE BUDGETING. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BOTH OF THESE. I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT, AND I THINK I MENTIONED THIS IN A LATER SLIDE, BUT NONE OF THIS IS TECHNICALLY BUDGETED RIGHT NOW. COSTS. SO THANKS TO THE DOCTOR ROSS JOHNSON STRONG JOHNSON. SHE SHE SHE PROVIDED ME WITH A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE BELIEVE THE COSTS WOULD BE. AND IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A POSITION THAT A GRADE 13 THAT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 60,000 AND CHANGE TO 97,000 AND CHANGE. AND REALLY THE MIDPOINT, WHICH IS ABOUT 80, IS PROBABLY WHERE I WOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS. THAT'S A GOOD AVERAGE. THAT'S THE FULLY LOADED COST. THAT'S NOT JUST SALARY. THAT'S ALSO WHAT WE'D EXPECT TO BE INSURANCE FRS ET CETERA. ET CETERA. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A, A BROAD RANGE, BUT IT IS A RANGE.

WHAT THIS ROLE DOES AGAIN, REVIEWS, TAGS REDACTS, REMOVES INAPPROPRIATE EMAILS AND MANAGES ADA REMEDIATION, WHICH I'LL GET INTO IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES. COST TO BE BUDGETED.

WHAT'S THE FIVE YEAR RANGE? YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M A DIRECTOR, I LIKE TO KNOW WHAT MY FIVE YEAR COST IS ON ANY PROJECT I DO. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 300 AND CHANGE AND ALMOST HALF A MILLION, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU FALL IN THIS HIRING RANGE.

THAT'S BEFORE COST OF LIVING INCREASES. IT'S NOT INCLUDING EQUIPMENT. IT'S NOT INCLUDING REQUIRED SOFTWARE LICENSES. RIGHT NOW, THAT'S JUST A STRAIGHT WHAT DOES IT COST TO PUT THIS FTE IN A SEAT? ONE PERSON IS NOT FULL COVERAGE. LET ME BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE IT DOES REQUIRE. I WOULD ADAMANTLY SUGGEST THIS. IT DOES REQUIRE THAT A MARK ONE HUMAN EYEBALL NEEDS TO SEE EVERY EMAIL BEFORE WE PUBLISH IT. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO ENSURE WE DON'T PUBLISH THINGS THAT SHOULD NOT BE PUBLISHED. SO THIS PERSON IS ON VACATION, ON SICK LEAVE OF A PERSON QUITS BECAUSE ALL THEY'RE DOING IS TAGGING EMAILS. IT MAY STILL REQUIRE EITHER A TRAINED BACKUP PERSON OR A PUBLICATION PAUSES FOR AN INDETERMINATE AMOUNT OF TIME. BECAUSE WE CANNOT AUTOMATE THIS JOB FULLY, WE STILL NEED SOMEBODY. AND IF THAT SOMEBODY IS NOT HERE FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEN THEN WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT? THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION TOO. SO THAT'S A DISCUSSION POINT FOR YOU GUYS, POSSIBLY LATER ON TIME. RIGHT. SO ONE OF THE THE NEXT BUBBLE EXEMPT TAGGING HELPS, BUT HONESTLY IT'S NOT FOOLPROOF. AND WHAT DO WE MEAN BY EXEMPT TAGGING. SO YOU'LL SEE THE FOUR BOXES HERE.

THESE THESE ARE NOT MEANT TO BE COMPLETE. THESE ARE JUST FOUR EXAMPLES THAT YOU KNOW ARE VERY

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WE'RE BUILDING FIRE PLANS, EVACUATION PLANS, ACTIVE SHOOTER PLANS ARE ALL EXEMPT.

PERSONAL INFORMATION. THIS IS THE HARD ONE. SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS HOME ADDRESSES ARE PROTECTED FOR PROTECTED EMPLOYEES. THESE ARE NOT JUST PROTECTED EMPLOYEES. WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE OUTSIDE WHO CAN REQUEST PROTECTED STATUS, SUCH AS JUDGES AND EX-POLICE OFFICERS. SO HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEIR STUFF SHOULD BE EXEMPTED? AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO AUTOMATE THIS. AND THE BOX ON THE SIDE MENTIONS, RIGHT. ONE MISSED TAG IS ENOUGH. THEY NEED TO WORK ALL THE TIME. AND YOU KNOW, INCOMING EMAILS FROM THE PUBLIC ARE NEVER TAGGED. SO AGAIN, ONE OF THE ONE OF THE JOBS OF THIS POSITION WOULD BE TO LOOK AT AN EMAIL KIND OF FIGURE OUT VERY QUICKLY, IS THIS AN EXEMPT EMAIL, YES OR NO. CAN WE PUBLISH IT YES OR NO? AGAIN, WE NEED TO MARK ONE HUMAN EYEBALL ON THIS ONE TAG CAN PUBLISH EXEMPT OR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO STOP ME. TIME AGAIN. SO HERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE BELIEVE THE NEW FLOW WOULD BE. SO THE THE KIND OF GREENY BOXES UP THERE, GREENY BLUE BOXES ARE WHAT WE DO TODAY. THE ORANGE BOXES WOULD BE NEW. SO AN EMAIL IS SENT OR RECEIVED, RIGHT? WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT COMES IN. THE USERS COULD BE YOU GUYS COULD BE US. WHEN WE SEND OR RECEIVE AN EMAIL, WE APPLY EXEMPTION TAGS THAT THIS IS A CYBERSECURITY RELATED EMAIL. IT CANNOT BE RELEASED PUBLICLY. THE STAFF REVIEWS. THIS WOULD BE A NEW POSITION. AGAIN, WE BELIEVE THE TAG AND REDACT IF IT'S NOT ALREADY TAGGED OR VERIFY THE TAGS ARE CORRECT, THEN WE HAVE TO DO ADA REMEDIATION AGAIN. THERE'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF SLIDES ON THIS BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY AN INTERESTING AREA. AND ONCE YOU START TO READ INTO IT NOW, I DO BELIEVE ALSO THAT, YOU KNOW, ADA REMEDIATION MIGHT BE THE IT'S DIFFERENT. WE DON'T DO THAT TODAY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO IF WE PUBLISH THESE TO A PUBLIC POLL STARTING IN APRIL OF 2028, WE HAVE TO ADA REMEDIATE THESE. AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND. AND THEN FINALLY WE PUBLISHED SOME. THAT'S DIFFERENT. WE DON'T DO THAT TODAY. IF YOU WISH YOU WOULD JUST FOIA REQUEST THE CLERKS COLLATE THE INFORMATION FROM ALL THE RESPECTIVE PARTIES AND THEN SEND THE ACTUAL REQUEST TO THE INFORMATION. PUBLISHING IS A DIFFERENT METHOD ALTOGETHER. SO TODAY, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WASN'T A. THIS HASN'T YET BEEN ATTACHED WAS BECAUSE I WAS STILL DOING STATISTICS AS OF TODAY. SO WE WERE DOING A 30 DAY LOOKBACK AS OF TODAY, AND WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 117 EMAILS THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE EVERY WORK EMAILS PER COMMISSIONER, NOW 117 APPLICABLE EMAILS PER DAY. SO WE'RE TALKING AT A 50,000 FOOT LEVEL OF THE FIVE COMMISSIONERS PLUS THE CITY MANAGER, THAT WOULD BE THE SIX INDIVIDUALS THAT WE WERE LED TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS HOW YOU WANT TO MIMIC, IS THIS IS WHAT THE COUNTY DOES. THAT BECOMES 2400 EMAILS IN THE LAST 30 DAYS.

EXTRAPOLATE THAT OUT. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 30,000 EMAILS A YEAR, GIVE OR TAKE. IT'S SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THAT. BUT IF WE'RE TALKING AVERAGES, IT'S IT'S A GOOD ENOUGH NUMBER THAT I'D BE CONFIDENT GOING TO THAT. BUT NOT ALL EMAILS ARE EQUAL. EMAILS WITH ATTACHMENTS ARE SCANS. SPREADSHEETS BECOME VERY DIFFICULT TO TO DECIDE. IT'S NOT JUST AN. OPEN THEM AND DECIDE. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONTENT. YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE I DON'T FLAG AN EMAIL AS MAYBE BEING LEGAL, IT MIGHT BE A SPREADSHEET OR A PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION. IT MIGHT BE A SPREADSHEET, BUT INSIDE OF IT INCLUDES SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS. SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL CONTENT ITEMS OF THE EMAIL, AND THEY TAKE FAR LONGER TO WORK ON STAFF PULLED FROM OTHER CITY WORK. AGAIN, WE I STRONGLY BELIEVE, AND I THINK THIS IS IF YOU ASK ANYONE THAT'S BEEN INVOLVED IN PUTTING THIS WORK TOGETHER, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL RESOURCE. THE VOLUME IS NOT A SPARE TIME JOB AND IT DOESN'T ABSOLVE, YOU KNOW, THE GREAT WORK THE CLERKS DO TODAY. AND, YOU KNOW, THE PD RECORDS PEOPLE FROM THEIR CURRENT FOIA REQUESTS. AND, YOU KNOW, AS A INCIDENTAL NUMBER GIVEN TODAY, JUST 2026 FIRE REQUESTS ALONE, NOT EVEN EMAIL, BUT JUST NORMAL FIRE REQUESTS, UP 25 TO 30% YEAR ON YEAR. SO THE CLERKS ALREADY GETTING SLAMMED BY THIS, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T ASK ME TO WRITE THIS, BUT I'M EXPECTING A DONUT TOMORROW. SO WE'RE ALREADY SEEING AN INCREASED FOIA REQUEST. SO SO THERE'S NO

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WE JUST MADE THE WRONG GUESS. WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE CAN NEVER KNOW. WE CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND INTENT WITHOUT SOMEONE TELLING US. SO NOW WE HAVE TWO VERSIONS. WHICH ONE'S WHICH ONE'S CORRECT, WHICH ONE'S ALIVE, WHICH ONE'S? WE OPEN UP AN INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, PANDORA'S BOX OF ISSUES HERE. SO AGAIN, THE INTERESTING THING IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE, STAFF INTERPRETATION OF AN EMAIL BECOMES PART OF WHAT THE PUBLIC READS. AND THAT INTERPRETATION ITSELF CAN BE COULD BE DISPUTED. AGAIN, I AM NOT THE CITY ATTORNEY. LUCKILY WE HAVE ONE SAT RIGHT THERE WHO YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF LATER ON. CYBERSECURITY. MY REAL PURVIEW. THE THING THAT KEEPS ME UP AT NIGHT. NEW SYSTEM. IT'S A PERMANENT ATTACK SURFACE.

WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MY SEVEN YEARS NOW COMING UP TO EIGHT, MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT REDUCING OUR ATTACK SURFACE, NOT TO REDUCE SERVICES, NOT TO REDUCE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS, BUT TO REDUCE WHAT THE HACKERS CAN DO TO US, A BREACH OF A PLATFORM OF OF A VENDOR WHO PROVIDES THESE. AND I WON'T GO INTO VENDORS AND PRODUCTS BECAUSE THAT'S COVERED UNDER EXEMPTIONS. SO IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT'S A SHARED CONVERSATION. BUT THAT CAN LEAD TO A BREACH OF A CITY, YOU KNOW, VERY RARELY THESE DAYS, A BREACH IS DIRECTED DIRECTLY OURSELVES. IT'S USUALLY UNDER A THIRD PARTY.

THAT'S WHERE YOU HEAR, YOU KNOW, CHAIN OF SOFTWARE. WHAT ELSE COULD HAPPEN? YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT HERE, BUT I ROUND IT DOWN TO THREE. THERE'S AT LEAST 30 THINGS I COULD PUT ON HERE ABOUT WHAT ARE WE DOING IF WE DO THIS? AND I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T DO IT. I'M NOT SAYING WE DO. I'M JUST SAYING GO IN. EYES WIDE OPEN. THE CITY COULD PUBLISH OR REPUBLISH MALICIOUS CONTENT OR INBOUND EMAILS. EVEN THE ONES WE HAVE FELT IT CAN STILL CONTAIN MALICIOUS CONTENT, PHISHING LINKS, PORNOGRAPHY, HARMFUL ATTACHMENTS, YOU KNOW, PROFANITY. ONCE POSTED, THE CITY BECOMES ITS DISTRIBUTOR. WHO IS WHO IS ON THE HOOK THEN FOR ANY WRONGDOING BECAUSE A WE HAVE PUBLISHED AN EMAIL THAT HAS MALWARE IN IT AND SOMEBODY WENT AND SEARCHED ON IT AND CLICK ON IT. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE THERE WOULD BE CASE LAW ANYWAY ABOUT THAT. IT'S INTERNET FACING BY DESIGN. YOU CAN'T HAVE AN INTERNET PUBLIC PORTAL WITHOUT IT BEING ON THE INTERNET. ANY PUBLIC PORTAL IS, YOU KNOW, EXPOSED TO SCANNING, EXPLOITATION, DENIAL BY SERVICE. YOU KNOW, JUST ONE OF OUR FIREWALLS, A SINGLE ONE OF OUR MANY FIREWALLS GETS GETS ATTACKED 24 MILLION TIMES A YEAR. I WILL REITERATE THAT 24 MILLION TIMES A YEAR. IF YOU THINK THAT I AM LOOKING AT EVERY ONE OF THEM, YOU ARE SORELY MISTAKEN. ADDING JUST ONE EXTRA PUBLIC SERVICE

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AND THIS IS, THIS IS ME GOING DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE A BIT, BUT IT'S HOW I WOULD DO IT IF I WAS AN ATTACKER. PUBLISHING THE EMAILS GIVE THE WOULD BE CYBER CRIMINALS A READY MADE TARGET LIST AND A SCRIPT. AI HAS MADE THIS A NON ISSUE. IT IS VERY EASY TO SET UP. SO WHAT GETS PUBLISHED? RESIDENT NAMES, EMAIL ADDRESSES. YOU KNOW YOU'VE JUST PUBLISHED THEIR ISSUE, THEIR COMPLAINT OR THEIR REQUEST TO THE CITY. YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE ALSO PUBLISHING THE RESPONSES YOU NOW HAVE, HOW THE CITY WOULD ANSWER THAT. YOU NOW HAVE STAFF NAMES, EMAIL SIGNATURES. IT'S VERY, VERY EASY AND VERY FAST TO SET UP FAKE DOMAINS AND SEND AN EMAIL BACK TO SOMEONE THAT SENT IT TO YOU GUYS PRETENDING TO BE YOU, WHAT ATTACKERS DO. SO I JUST SET UP AN AI EMAIL POSTING SYSTEM AS A CITY. I REGISTERED THE DOMAIN. I REFERENCED THE CITY'S ACTUAL ISSUE, MAYBE EVEN THE SUBJECT, AND SAY REGARDING YOUR INCIDENT OF, YOU KNOW, THE FENCE BEING TOO FAR OVER THE LOT LINE, MAYBE THEN I SAY, LOOK, PLEASE GO HERE, LOG ON WITH YOUR CREDENTIALS. I SEND THEM AN EMAIL. I'VE GOT THEM RIGHT. I NOW WAIT FOR THEM TO TYPE 16 DIGITS BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY A CREDIT CARD NUMBER. I WAIT FOR THEM TO GO TO THE BANK. WE HAVE JUST INADVERTENTLY AND UNWITTINGLY BEEN THE ADVANCE OF A CYBERCRIME. IT HAPPENS TODAY ALL THE TIME. WE HAVE WIRE TRANSFERS AND IN FACT, THE WIRE TRANSFER ISSUE IS SO PREVALENT THAT MISTY ADDED A PAGE TO THE WEBSITE SAYING OUR DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT DOES NOT ACCEPT WIRE TRANSFERS BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS THE HACKERS GO OUT, THE CYBERCRIMINALS GO OUT TO OUR WEBSITE, LOOK AT OUR DEVELOPMENT ORDERS, AND THEN SEND REQUESTS TO THE DEVELOPERS SAYING, YOUR PERMIT HAS BEEN APPROVED, BUT IT'S BEING HELD FOR A PAYMENT. PLEASE WIRE TRANSFER X NUMBER OF DOLLARS TO THIS ACCOUNT. IT'S NEVER THE CITY'S ACCOUNT. AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IT'S NEVER MY ACCOUNT EITHER. BUT IT HAPPENS TODAY. AND THAT'S JUST OFF DEVELOPMENT ORDERS THAT ARE PUBLISHED TO OUR WEBSITE.

IMAGINE THAT. WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU PUBLISH WRIT LARGE EVERY SINGLE EMAIL COMING AND GOING FROM YOU, YOU GUYS, AS IT SAYS AT THE BOTTOM, AGAIN, AI TOOLS THAT ATTACKERS PRODUCE, CONVINCING, PERSONALIZED PHISHING AT SCALE, THIS IS MASSIVE. IT DOESN'T TAKE ANY EFFORT AIMED AT RESIDENTS WHO CONTACTED THE CITY WITH LEGITIMATE CONCERNS. SO SUMMARY AREAS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AGAIN, I WANT TO POINT OUT THIS IS ALL FOR CONSIDERATION. I'M NOT SAYING IF THIS IS RIGHT, WRONG OR INDIFFERENT, AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ALL THE STAFF MEMBERS WOULD PROBABLY TELL YOU THAT IF THAT IF YOU ASKED THEM. BUT WE DO. WE HAVE COSTS. IT'S A NEW POSITION. IT'S A PUBLISHING PLATFORM, ONGOING EXEMPTION TAGGING AND TRAINING. YOU KNOW, YOU ALL KNOW WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE NO. BEFORE TRAINING MULTIPLE TIMES A YEAR. OUR CYBERSECURITY TRAINING, THIS IS A NEW FACET TO THAT. IT WOULD TAKE SOME TIME TO ROLL OUT TIME. EVERY EMAIL NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BEFORE IT WAS RELEASED. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. THERE'S NO PLAUSIBLE WAY TO AUTOMATE THIS WITH ANY REASONABLE RESPECT TO ACCURACY, AND THE FACT THAT WE WON'T END UP IN SOME KIND OF LITIGATION HELL COMPLIANCE.

APRIL 2028 CHANGES THE OUTLOOK OF THIS. IF WE WERE TO DO THIS TEN YEARS AGO, I DON'T THINK THE COMPLIANCE WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE. BUT APRIL OF 2028 RADICALLY CHANGES THE THE LANDSCAPE FOR WHAT WE WOULD INADVERTENTLY OPEN OURSELVES UP TO. AND AGAIN, CYBERSECURITY.

WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR. YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE EMAILS FROM ME AND AGAIN, INCREASED ATTACK SERVICE SURFACE AND YOU JUST OPENING UP FOR AN AI GENERATED, YOU KNOW, PHISHING FARM. AND THAT IS IT.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT TAKE ASSISTANCE FROM SOME OF YOU, THE STAFF. BUT BUT WE ARE HERE. IT'S A DISCUSSION FOR YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION WITH REGARD TO

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WOW. THANKS FOR DOING THIS BECAUSE THIS THIS CAN'T HAPPEN. THE COMMISSIONER READ MY LIGHTS ON. YEAH. YES. THANK YOU, DARREN, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. SOME OF THE STUFF I THINK CAN BE ADDRESSED. LIKE YOU COULD HAVE A DELAYED EFFECT OF A WEEK, TWO WEEKS. SO NOBODY'S STALKING CAMPBELL RICH, SO THEY DON'T FIND OUT WHAT HOTEL HE'S AT. I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT YOU BROUGHT UP WAS THE 2028 ADA COMPLIANCE. SO DOES THAT MEAN THE COUNTY IS GOING TO TAKE THEIR EMAIL SYSTEM AWAY COME 2028? WE DON'T KNOW THAT. 27 THAT THAT IS 27TH APRIL OF 2020.

ANYBODY FROM YOUR IT DEPARTMENT OR LEGAL OR CITY MANAGER REACHED OUT TO DON AND THEIR IT DEPARTMENT TO FIND OUT, LIKE MYSELF AND MARY HAVE TALKED TO THE ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT.

AND AT THE TIME WHEN WE TALKED TO THEM, THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO. WHEN WAS THIS? YEAH, MAYBE. MAYBE YEAH, MAYBE A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS AGO. ALL OF THE MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES AND STATE AGENCIES AND FEDERAL AGENCIES IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COMPLY. AND OUR WEBSITE ITSELF, ANYWHERE THAT WE HAVE ANY PDF LINKS OR ANYTHING, ARE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO BE UPDATED AS WELL. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE COMPETING WITH NO MATTER WHAT THE QUESTION REALLY IS. THE SIMPLE, THE, THE STAFF TIME, BECAUSE I T CAN MANAGE OUR WEBSITE AND GET IT UP TO SPEED AT SOME POINT, BUT THEY CAN'T REGULATE COMING IN, YOU KNOW, RANDOMLY, EVEN AS WE SIT IN THE MEETING. SO, SO LIKE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT'S DUE, MISTY MANAGES THE WEBSITE. MY SUGGESTION FOR THAT WOULD BE, WHY CAN'T WE APPROVE MESSAGES THAT WE DEEM SHOULD BE ONLINE? WE ALREADY HAVE TO PRODUCE PUBLIC RECORDS REGARDING THAT.

I THINK THAT WOULD SAVE STAFF TIME THEN IF THE SYSTEM ACTUALLY EXISTED AND LIKE WE COULD APPROVE SOMETHING FOR IT TO BE ON THERE AND IT WAS DELAYED. I DON'T SEE WHAT THE BIG DEAL IN THAT WOULD BE IN BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE ACCESS TO OUR EMAILS, WE'RE ALREADY RESPONDING. AND I THINK THE WHOLE IF THEY'RE ONLINE, IT'S GOING TO CAUSE LESS COMMUNICATION. I MEAN, YOU CAN GO LOOK AT THE COUNTIES AND THERE IS PLENTY OF COMMUNICATION THAT HAPPENS OVER THERE. AND THEY'RE PUBLISHED ONLINE. MAYBE WE SHOULD PULL THE RESIDENTS LIKE WE DID FOR THE CHICKENS. LET'S FIND OUT IF THEY SUPPORT IT. SINCE WE JUST SET POLICY. UP HERE. I MEAN, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE D AND D ITEM BESIDES MYSELF AND COMMISSIONER RICH, OR ANY OF THE CONCERNS FROM IT THAT MAYBE WE CAN ADDRESS AND COME UP WITH A POSITIVE RESOLUTION AND NOT COST TAXPAYERS A WHOLE BUNCH OF

[02:30:04]

THINKING OF WAYS LIKE. AND THIS IS FOR THE CLERK'S OFFICE, HOW MANY HOW MANY EMAILS DO YOU GUYS REVIEW IN THAT 30 MINUTE TIME PERIOD WHERE A CONSTITUENT WOULDN'T BE CHARGED FOR EMAILS WHEN THEY PUBLIC RECORD REQUEST THEM? WE TYPICALLY DO THAT. WE CALCULATE FOUR PER MINUTE BECAUSE THAT'S OPENING ATTACHMENTS WHEN THEY'RE NECESSARY AND AVAILABLE. BUT THAT'S HOW WE DO OUR CALCULATION FOR EMAILS PER MINUTE. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S VERY FAST. SO THAT THAT THAT WOULD CUT DOWN TREMENDOUSLY. THEN I GUESS ON THE EMPLOYEE. HOW MANY EMAILS DID YOU SAY IT WAS? DARREN IN A IN A MONTH, IT'S 2477. WELL, THAT WAS A LOT.

THAT WAS THE 30 DAY LOOKBACK AS OF TODAY. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT'S NOT LIKE HISTORICALLY AVERAGE OR MEDIUM. YEAH. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. MAYBE WE SHOULD POLL THE RESIDENTS AND SEE IF THEY EVEN WANT IT AND IF THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT LIKE WE DID THE CHICKENS THEN, OR I DON'T KNOW. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER, JOB? COMMISSIONER MATHIS? GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER. HE WAS FIRST. HE HE WAS FIRST. OKAY. COMMISSIONER MATHESON. WELL, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR. I I'VE SPOKEN TO SOME OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND COUNTY STAFF ON IT. I THINK IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP. THEY HAVE EACH HAVE AN AIDE THAT DEDICATES A. FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, AN INCREASING AND SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THEIR JOB DUTY IS TO DO THIS OBLIGATION. WE'VE NOW HEARD FROM DARREN AND I'VE ASKED SUSIE AND MARY ABOUT IT. THEY SPENT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME AND I'VE ASKED THEM. IT SEEMS TO BE A INCREASINGLY MORE AMOUNT OF TIME JUST TO DO FOIA REQUESTS, WHICH I'M ALL FOR THE FOIA REQUEST, BUT I NOW AM LEARNING MORE. THE DIFFERENCE WHEN IT'S OUT TO THE OPEN PUBLIC, IT HAS TO FILE ADA COMPLIANCE. WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED IN 2018, THE CITY HAD TO PAY OUT A VERY LARGE SUM. I FORGET THE NUMBER BECAUSE WE WERE SUED BY AN ALLEGED OR A REAL BLIND PERSON, AND OUR WEBSITE WAS NOT ADA COMPLIANT. AND I WROTE THE. MOST HARSHLY POLITE LETTER I COULD ATTACKING THAT BLIND PERSON FOR SUING THE CITY TAXPAYERS AND TAKING OUR MONEY. AND I EXPLAINED MY DISABILITY AND WHAT I CHOSE TO DO. THE PERSON DID NOT EVEN LIVE IN THE CITY AND ITS PUBLIC RECORD. IT WAS READ OUT, AND WE SENT IT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, TO THAT PERSON'S ATTORNEY, AND

[02:35:06]

THIS WOULD CLEARLY ADD TO OUR FINANCIAL BURDEN, BUT ALSO IT SOUNDS TO OUR EXPOSURE IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS. I WILL BE TAKING EVERY DECISION MOVING FORWARD TO TRY AND SHOOT FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, ROLLBACK RATE OR, YOU KNOW, NOT INCREASING THE MILLAGE NEXT YEAR COME BUDGET CYCLE. BUT I BELIEVE THAT PLAN FOR US COMMISSIONERS HAS TO BE A YEAR LONG PLAN DURING THE ENTIRE FISCAL YEAR THAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE THAT. THANK YOU. WE SHOULD. ANSWERED THE QUESTION. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MATTER? I GOT A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER REED. SO EVEN IF WE POSTED PUBLIC, ANY PDF COME 2028, LIKE YOU SAID, MIKE IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH ADA THAT WE RECEIVE AND IS PUBLICLY POSTED SOME SOME MAYBE POSTED ON THEIR WEBSITE, SOME MAY BE IN COMPLIANCE. IT'S THE FONTS. BUT BY THE WAY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THERE WAS SOME ADA COMMENTS THAT SAID THIS FORM RIGHT HERE WOULD NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THAT SOME ARE IN ITALICS, SOME ARE NOT IN BOLD FONT. IT'S NOT IN 12 POINT TIMES NEW ROMAN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR, OUR CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS WHEN WE RUN FOR AN ELECTION IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE. RIGHT? THAT'S WHY THEY DELAYED IT. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN, I THINK, AUGUST OR EVEN APRIL. I THINK OF THIS YEAR, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO INTO COMPLIANCE. AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THE LAST MINUTE EXTENDED IT BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT GOING TO MEET THE DEADLINE, AND THEY KNEW THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A FLOOD OF THESE ENFORCEMENT TYPE LAWSUITS LIKE COMMISSIONER MATHESON REFERRED TO. AND THERE WAS A TIME THAT WE HAD TO TAKE DOWN THE VIDEO OF OUR MEETINGS BECAUSE WE GOT SUED BY A GUY IN MIAMI THAT SAID THAT HE COULDN'T WATCH OUR MEETINGS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THEM CLOSED. CAPTIONED. AND UNTIL WE GET THE CLOSED CAPTIONING UP, WE HAD TO DO IT. AND THE GUY HAD NEVER WATCHED A MEETING BEFORE. SAME INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS SUING BUSINESSES AS WELL IN MARTIN COUNTY, 48 BUSINESSES THAT WEEK, THE SAME. HE WAS ALSO SUING PEOPLE FOR NOT HAVING LIKE COMPLIANCE. THAT WAS BATHROOMS RAMPS. YEAH. I THINK THEY GOING LAWSUITS THERE ALL YIKES. THEY'RE ALL ATTORNEY GENERAL. THERE'S NOT JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL. THEY LOOK FOR. THE GENTLEMAN THAT I SPECIFICALLY WROTE A LETTER REPLIED TO DID NOT LIVE IN MARTIN COUNTY AND WAS SUING FOR OUR WEBSITE, NOT FOR THE ATTORNEY FEE GENERATED.

YEAH, THEY THEY SUE YOU AND THEN DEMAND LIKE $20,000 IN ATTORNEY FEES AND THAT YOU FIX THE PROBLEM. THAT'S I USED TO LITIGATE THESE ITS SAY THAT AGAIN, LEE YOU WOULD GET SUED FOR AN ADA VIOLATION AND THEY WOULD DEMAND LIKE $25,000, $20,000 IN ATTORNEY FEES UPFRONT BECAUSE IT WOULD COST YOU 100 GRAND IN ATTORNEY FEES ON BOTH SIDES. AND IT'S A NO WIN SITUATION. AND I, WHAT DARREN IS THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS PEOPLE SENDING US ATTACHMENTS AND EMAILS AND US TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE PUBLISHED, WHICH WOULD THESE PEOPLE WOULD SEND YOU EMAILS. YEAH. WOULD BE DELIBERATELY DIFFICULT. AND TO GET INTO COMPLIANCE. THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD DO. THEY WOULD SET THEY THEY PROBABLY FISH THEMSELVES. THERE'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A COMPANY DOWN IN FORT LAUDERDALE THAT'S DEVELOPING SOME SOFTWARE THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE ON A LICENSING

[02:40:01]

AND WHEN WHEN YOU ASK THE CLERK ABOUT THE 30 MINUTES THAT THEY DON'T CHARGE FOR, THE REALITY IS THAT WAS THAT WAS JUST AS A COURTESY TO DO IT. AND THEY CONTINUE TO DO IT. WE'RE THIS YEAR, WE'RE WELL OVER A THOUSAND PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS. IN THE PAST. WE WERE IN THE HUNDREDS. AND WE'VE SEEN AN EXTREME INCREASE IN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS. AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN BRING IT BACK AS A, D AND D, AND WE CAN SHOW YOU THE, THE LIST OF THE THE BIGGEST REQUESTERS, BUT IT'S LESS THAN 20 PEOPLE. AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE VOLUME OF PEOPLE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. RIGHT, RIGHT. THE PUBLIC RECORD. RIGHT. AND SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PUBLIC BENEFIT, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN READING THE EMAILS, DON'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, DON'T MAKE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST AND PICK UP THE PHONE AND ASK A QUESTION. WHEN THEY HAVE A QUESTION AND SOMEONE ANSWERS IT FOR THEM. SO IT'S A IT'S IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD. I MEAN, QUITE FRANKLY, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. I MEAN, MY ALL OF MY EMAILS GO OUT ABOUT ONCE A WEEK IN A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. SO IT DOESN'T IT'S NOT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO ME. OKAY. RIGHT NOW ANYONE CAN REQUEST. RIGHT. AND, BUT THE SIMPLE FACT THAT WHEN THEY REQUEST IT GOES DIRECTLY TO THEM COMPARED TO IT BEING PUBLISHED, PUBLISHED. IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COST AND EXPOSURE TO THE CITY. RIGHT? CORRECT. CORRECT. I MEAN, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT COST INCREASE AND A SIGNIFICANT EXPOSURE INCREASE WHEN WE ARE THE ONE BLANKETLY PUBLISHING IT COMPARED TO RESPONDING TO REQUESTS. AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE EMPLOYEE POWER TO HANDLE THOSE REQUESTS. FROM A CLERK SIDE AND AN IT SIDE. HOW WOULD IT WORK IF I PUBLISH MY OWN ON MY OWN WEBSITE? YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T VIOLATE ANY OTHER OR ANY OTHER STUFF, BUT BE ON YOUR OWN THEN, RIGHT? YEAH. JUST BE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE EXEMPTION LAWS. YEAH. AND THE SAME LAWS WITH ATTORNEYS. I UNDERSTAND THE CITY WOULD STILL BE SUED, AND THEY'D SUE YOU INDIVIDUALLY. TO YOU, I THINK WE SHOULD ASK THE PUBLIC THEN. SINCE IT'S CONTROVERSIAL, TO ASK THE PUBLIC WHAT THEY WANT, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO SPEND 60 TO $100,000 ON AN EMPLOYEE. YEAH. OKAY. WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD AS SOMEBODY SAYING SOMETHING? YEAH. I WOULD ASK THE PUBLIC TO PULL. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN THAT AT ALL. I'M WILLING TO MAKE A DECISION FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS. YEAH. IT'S CLEAR TO ME. IS THERE ANY IS THERE IS THAT A MOTION COMMISSIONER READ? I MEAN, IF YOU WANT ME TO MAKE ONE, I WILL. I JUST WANT TO HAVE A GENERAL CONSENSUS. I SUPPORT IT ASKING THE PUBLIC. I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY. ALL RIGHT. SO THREE OF YOU DON'T SUPPORT IT. THAT'S FINE. DID YOU SAY. YES. I DID NOT BECAUSE I'M KIND OF ON THE FENCE. SO WEIGHING THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO REQUEST THE FOYERS IS 2025. EXCUSE ME, I, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER. I'VE NEVER LOOKED AT IT, BUT I WOULD SAY THE VAST MAJORITY ARE LESS THAN 20 PEOPLE. I CAN I, I CAN GET THAT LIST FOR YOU. I'M JUST SAYING TO WEIGHING AGAINST THE COST OF GOING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. WE ONLY HAVE 25 PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY REQUESTING THE FOYERS, I MEAN. YOU DON'T KNOW UNLESS

[02:45:06]

ANYBODY CAN MAKE A MOTION IF THEY WANT. ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THEN THAT WE ASK THE PUBLIC IF THEY WANT ELECTED OFFICIALS EMAILS TO BE ONLINE, AND WE DO IT THROUGH A FACEBOOK POLL. WELL, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MATTER? I'LL JUST SAY I DON'T SUPPORT THAT MOTION BECAUSE I IT WOULD TAKE A LOT MORE DELIBERATION AND INFORMATION TO GIVE TO THE PUBLIC. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE EQUIVALENT OF THIS SAME PRESENTATION. BUT IF COMMISSIONER REED WANTS TO WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF ON A THOROUGH FACEBOOK POLL. BUT THEN IN MY MIND, THERE'S A LOT OF THE PUBLIC THAT DON'T JUST USE FACEBOOK. SO THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE THE SAME AS WE UNDERTOOK WITH THE CHICKEN SURVEY TO TRY AND ACTUALLY GET THOROUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE, TO HAVE THE PUBLIC MAKE A CHOICE, BECAUSE THERE'S PLENTY OF THE PUBLIC THAT I TALK TO THAT DON'T LOOK AT FACEBOOK AND OUR OUR MEETINGS ARE ALL PUBLIC AND OPEN, AND I'D ENCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COME AND LISTEN TO THE MEETING. THIS WAS A DETAILED PRESENTATION ABOUT THE COSTS AND EXPOSURE. SO DO YOU WANT THE MOTION AMENDED TO INCLUDE THE PRESENTATION? YOU TELL ME. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION ITEM. ANY ONE OF US CAN MAKE A MOTION THE WAY YOU MADE IT. NO, I DO NOT SUPPORT IT. IT'S IT DOES NOT HAVE ALL THE FACTS AND INFORMATION OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS JUST GIVEN. ALL RIGHT. AND FACEBOOK IS NOT THE PROPER WAY TO DO IT. SO WHAT'S THE PROPER WAY THEN? FACEBOOK AND WHAT ELSE? SOMETHING THAT WILL COST MONEY. YOU CAN DECIDE AND ADD THAT TO YOUR MOTION. JUST LIKE ANY COMMISSIONER CAN MAKE A MOTION. ANY COMMISSIONER CAN DECIDE TO GIVE UP THEIR PAY IF THEY'D LIKE TO. I DON'T WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO WHAT YOU FEEL WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO OUR CONSTITUENTS. BESIDES FACEBOOK, YOU'RE JUST LOOKING FOR ME TO MAKE A MOTION, A BROAD MOTION, MORE DETAILED MOTION, AND IT MIGHT JUST APPEASE YOU, I GUESS, TO WHERE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'D

[02:50:04]

OH, SORRY. YEAH, I WAS GOING TO I WAS GOING TO AMEND MY MOTION TO. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ASK THE PUBLIC THROUGH A FACEBOOK POST WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD WANT ELECTED OFFICIALS EMAILS ONLINE. WE INCLUDE THE PRESENTATION AS COMMISSIONER MATHESON SUGGESTED, AND WE CAN ALSO INCLUDE THE THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION SO THEY CAN HAVE IT SUMMED UP ON THE EXPOSURES AND EVERYTHING. SO THE PUBLIC IS WELL AWARE JUST TO TRY TO GET SOME FEEDBACK.

THAT'S MY MOTION. I'LL SECOND THE AMENDED MOTION. THERE'S A MOTION. AND SECOND. DID YOU STILL HAVE A COMMENT, COMMISSIONER? I DID. I WANTED TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY, MR. COMMISSIONER MATHESON MADE A STATEMENT THAT THE MOTION WAS NOT LEGAL. IT WAS NOT LEGALLY, NOT FISCALLY AND NOT LEGALLY ACCURATE. I DIDN'T SAY ACCURATE, FISCALLY OR LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE.

THE EXPOSURE, I GUESS FISCALLY WE IT COST US A LOT OF TIME. I, I WASN'T EVEN THINKING ABOUT THE CYBERSECURITY ISSUES, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A NEW AREA. YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHEN I WAS AT THE CITY OF PORT SAINT LUCIE, WE HAD A CYBER SECURITY BREACH. AND I THINK WE HAD TO PAY A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN ATTORNEY'S FEES JUST TO DEFEND THE ISSUE. AND THERE'S A WHOLE THING WHERE ANYBODY THAT GOT POTENTIALLY EXPOSED THEIR DATA THAT YOU'D HAVE TO SEND THEM OUT INFORMATION. THERE WAS A LOT TO IT. I WASN'T EVEN THINKING ABOUT THAT. BUT THAT'S AN ISSUE. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S LEGAL LIABILITY, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE PUTTING SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT SOMEONE THEN GETS SCAMMED OR SOMEHOW DATA GETS BREACHED, THAT'S A THAT'S AN ISSUE. I CAN'T I DON'T EVEN THINK I COULD SUM UP WHAT POTENTIAL EXPOSURE WE HAVE THERE. OKAY. BUT THE REALITY IS, EVEN WITH ALL OF THESE SAFEGUARDS, EVEN WITH HAVING THE ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE, THAT CAN HAPPEN. I MEAN, COMPANIES, MAJOR CORPORATIONS ARE HACKED. IT CAN HAPPEN EVEN WITH ALL OF THOSE SAFEGUARDS THAT WE PUT IN. SO THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION? CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DARREN, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN. CURRENTLY, WHETHER EMAILS ARE ONLINE OR NOT. YES. COMPOUNDING IT EXPONENTIALLY. IT CAN, BUT WE'RE NOT ASSISTING THEM, WHICH I THINK IS A DIFFERENCE MATERIALLY. I MEAN, ALSO WOULD HAVE TO DO IS A PUBLIC RECORD REQUEST. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY HAVE ALL THE EMAILS OR STAFF. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THAT. YES, BUT THAT'S AN ACTION THEY HAVE TO TAKE. I CAN'T, I CAN'T EASILY I THAT YEAH. BUT IT YEAH, I GET I, AND I TOTALLY RESPECT WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM DARREN. BUT ANYTHING IS HACKABLE INDEED. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S TRUE.

NOTHING IS SAFE. IF IT EXISTS IN A DIGITAL FORMAT, SOMEBODY CAN ACCESS IT. SO YEAH. CORRECT.

THE NSA GETS HACKED ALL THE TIME. SO NOTHING'S SAFE. WE'RE JUST THE CITY OF STUART. ALL THE QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, BY THE WAY, CALLING THE QUESTION IS A MOTION COMMISSIONER RICH. OKAY. ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENT ON THIS MOTION. THAT'S BEEN MOTION. AND SECOND, ALL EMPLOYEES. LET'S GET THEM ALL OFF. WELL, I HAVE TO SAY THAT I KNOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

OKAY, MADAM CLERK. THE MOTION, YES I DO. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ IT? YES. THE MOTION AMENDED. MOTION IS THE MOTION TO ASK THE PUBLIC IF THEY WANT ELECTED OFFICIAL OFFICIALS.

EMAILS ONLINE INCLUDE THE PRESENTATION AND DO IT THROUGH FACEBOOK. OKAY. FACEBOOK POLL.

ALL RIGHT. IS THAT THAT'S VERY CLEAR. YEAH. JUST TO EVEN GET SOME FEEDBACK BEFORE WE EVEN GO

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COMMISSIONER. RICH. NO. COMMISSIONER REED. YES. COMMISSIONER MATHESON. NO, I HAVE TOO MANY QUESTIONS STILL ON THE MOTION. MAYOR. CLERK. NO. COMMISSIONER. JOB. YES. THANK YOU. NO OTHER

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