Oct 26, 2026 Joint CRA/CRB/CCM

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GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M ULA CLARKE, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF STUART.

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CHAIR. CLERK. YES. BOARD MEMBER. JOB HERE. BOARD MEMBER.

MATHESON HERE. BOARD MEMBER. REID HERE. BOARD MEMBER.

RICH HERE. BOARD MEMBER. DEBORAH. BOARD MEMBER.

JAMES. HERE. COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD CHAIR.

DEBORAH. VICE CHAIR. MOSER. BOARD MEMBER. JAMES.

BOARD MEMBER. LAUGHLIN. BOARD MEMBER MANERA. SHE IS HERE.

BOARD MEMBER VOGEL. I SAW HER. THERE SHE IS. BOARD MEMBER.

MANERA. BOARD MEMBER. VOGEL. HERE. BOARD MEMBER.

WHALEN. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? WE DO.

OF THE BOTH AGENCIES TOGETHER, OR DO YOU CHECK FOR THE CRB SEPARATELY? WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. LET'S STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE AN AGENDA THAT WAS PUBLISHED.

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ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANKS. WE HAVE MINUTES FROM JULY 27TH, 2026, OF THE JOINT

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MARY SO YOU NEED A ROLL CALL ON, ON THOSE. I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A ROLL CALL, BUT THIS IS THE JOINT SO ALL BOARD MEMBERS CAN VOTE ON IT.

AND ON ITEM NUMBER TWO CRA MEMBERS ONLY. ONLY.

YES. SO ALL BOARD ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MINUTES ON JULY 27TH, 2026.

HI, HI. HI. OKAY. IT'S A UNANIMOUS VOTE FOR THE MINUTES.

WITH REGARD TO THE MINUTES FOR THE CRA ON SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2026.

ANY MOTION WITH REGARD TO THOSE MINUTES. COMMISSIONER MATHESON CRA IS MR. DE BURGH A MEMBER OF THE CRA? YES. YEAH, BECAUSE HE'S ONE OF THE OTHER MEMBERS.

THANK YOU. HE HAS HIS ROLE. THANK YOU. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION IN A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO TURNED IN A GREEN CARD?

[COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC (Non-Agenda Related) (3 Minutes Max.)]

I'M A HOMEOWNER ON EAST SPRUCE AVE AND EAST STUART.

A COUPLE COMMISSION MEETINGS AGO, I MADE SOME FALSE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE EAST STUART HERITAGE OPPORTUNITY ALLIANCE THAT I WANTED TO CORRECT TODAY.

I PREVIOUSLY BELIEVED THAT ORGANIZATION WAS OSTRACIZING ME BECAUSE OF MY SUPPORT OF THE SKATE PARK IN EAST STUART.

THAT IS NOT TRUE. IT TURNS OUT I HAVE THE EXACT SAME NAME AS A PROMINENT COMMUNITY MEMBER, AND THEY THOUGHT I WAS IMPERSONATING THEM. I WANTED TO PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE TODAY TO THE EAST, STUART HOA, FOR THOSE FALSE STATEMENTS I MADE.

AFTER CLEARING UP WHAT HAPPENED WITH THEM, I HAD SOME LONG DISCUSSIONS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THEIR OPPOSITION TO THE SKATE PARK.

FROM WHAT I GATHER, THEY'RE MAINLY AGAINST THE PREVIOUS CITY COMMISSIONERS THAT CONSTANTLY MADE DECISIONS FOR THE EAST STUART COMMUNITY, WHILE NOT INCLUDING THEM IN THE CONVERSATION OR EVEN TROJAN HORSING AND PROMISES FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN LATER TURNING AROUND AND DOING SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. A NOTABLE MENTION WOULD BE PROJECT LIFT, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY AS A BUSINESS INCUBATOR BUT THEN LATER CHANGED.

PROJECT LIFT WAS ALSO SUPPOSED TO HAVE A FIVE YEAR LEASE THAT THEN EXTENDED TO 20 YEARS RENT FREE.

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THE PEOPLE OF EAST STUART ALSO FEEL LIKE THE SKATE PARK IS YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE CITY OF STUART.

NOT INCLUDING THE RESIDENTS OF EAST STUART IN THE DISCUSSION.

NOW THAT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THE RESIDENTS ARE OPPOSED TO THE SKATE PARK, THAT IS YET TO BE DETERMINED.

IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT THE RESIDENTS WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSION OF SOMETHING BEING DECIDED IN THEIR COMMUNITY.

THAT IS THE PROBLEM. I'M NOT GOING TO NAME NAMES BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PRODUCTIVE WAY TO HANDLE THIS SITUATION, BUT I SAW SOME CLIPS OF A CURRENT COMMISSIONER SIGNALING ABOUT REALLOCATING THE FUNDS FOR THE SKATE PARK TO ANOTHER PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE OPPOSITION.

AND I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT THOSE EAST STUART COMMUNITY LEADERS WERE SAYING.

THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THOSE FUNDS REALLOCATED.

THEY JUST WANT THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE INPUT ON CHANGES BEING MADE.

THE COMMUNITY COULD DECIDE THEY ACTUALLY DO WANT TO DO THE SKATE PARK. UNFORTUNATELY, THE PREVIOUS CITY COMMISSIONERS ALREADY SPENT TAXPAYER MONEY ON THE SKATE PARK, AS YOU WELL KNOW. ALMOST 50,000 DRAFTING PLANS FOR THE SKATE PARK.

AND CITY STAFF ALSO STATED COMPLETELY REMOVING THE SKATE PARK FROM THE PLANS WOULD COST EVEN MORE MONEY.

I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THE LAST THING THIS CITY NEEDS IS YET ANOTHER CONTROVERSY.

AN EXAMPLE OF WASTEFUL SPENDING OF TAXPAYER MONEY.

PERSONALLY, I SUPPORT THE SKATE PARK, BUT I RECOGNIZE THE OVERALL CONSENSUS OF MY COMMUNITY AS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MY PERSONAL PREFERENCES, AND I WOULD HOPE THE SAME VALUE IS PRESENT IN THE CURRENT CITY COMMISSION.

I WANT TO END THIS BY REMINDING THE COMMISSIONERS THAT E STEWART IS NOW A FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED HISTORICAL DISTRICT, AND BESIDES IT BEING MORALLY WRONG TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO ERASE WHAT MAKES E.

STEWART A HISTORICAL DISTRICT. I THINK IT ALSO OPENS UP THE CITY TO LIABILITY.

UNLESS THE PEOPLE WHO RESIDE IN E STEWART ARE INVOLVED IN THE CHANGES.

WITH THAT IN MIND, I WOULD ASK THAT THE CURRENT CITY COMMISSION MAKE A COMMITMENT TO RIGHT THE WRONGS OF PAST AND MAKE REAL EFFORTS TO SURVEY, HOST COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WORK DIRECTLY WITH COMMUNITY LEADERS, AND INVOLVE THE RESIDENTS IN ANY DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. POTTS. ANY OTHER GREEN CARDS TO THE CLERK? I HAVE NO OTHER GREEN CARDS. ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO MAKE A COMMENT ON NON AGENDA ITEM AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU. COMMENTS BY BOARD MEMBERS. ANY BOARD MEMBERS, COMMISSIONER MATHESON.

[COMMENTS BY BOARD MEMBERS (Non-Agenda Items)]

THE REASON I BRING THEM UP. I'VE HAD A LOT OF PHONE CALLS ABOUT FLOODING.

I ALL HAVE KING HIGH TIDE, SUPER EL NINO GOING INTO.

IT'S GOING TO BE WET OR DRY SEASON THAN THE LAST WHAT? TWO AREAS I WANT US TO CONSIDER. ONE IS SIXTH STREET ALONG FRAZIER CREEK AREA WHERE? BEHIND WHERE THE PROPOSED HOTEL IS GOING IN. I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THAT AREA.

AND WHEN THAT HOTEL COMES IN, PUSH, THEY TAKE A LOOK HOLISTICALLY.

STORMWATER RUNOFF. I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS ON SIXTH STREET.

FRAZIER CREEK, THEY'RE HAVING ISSUES, ONE WITH KING HIGH TIDE, BUT ALSO THE WAY THAT ENTIRE AREA STORMWATER HAS BEEN GRADED AND SLOPED DOWN SIXTH STREET AND ENCOURAGED TO GO INTO SOME OF THEIR PARK.

AND I KNOW CITY OWNED SOME PROPERTY IN THAT AREA.

SMALL SECTIONS. I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO PERHAPS DO BIOSWALES SOMETHING OF THAT HELP, LIKE PERSONALLY TO GET CAUGHT UP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN NEIGHBORHOOD EDITION.

I'M JUST LEARNING ABOUT THOSE PROPOSALS. BUT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY BIGGEST ISSUES DOING THAT IS DID WE GET ENOUGH COMMUNITY FEEDBACK? AND AS WE DESIGN THAT, THOSE STORMWATER PLANS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT SENDING EXCESS WATER TO EAST STEWART COMMUNITY. AND POSSIBLY THE WATER THAT'S IN THOSE PLANS AND BE SENT TO SAINT CLAIR POND, SORRY, NOT BRUNNER POND, LAKE SAINT CLAIR AND HOSPITAL POND.

DIFFERENT DRAINAGE THAN THE PROPOSED PLANS KIND OF HAVE THAT AREA SPLIT SOME OF IT WHILE THE PATH IS EVENTUALLY GOING TOWARDS BRUNER POND THROUGH THE EASTER COMMUNITY. I KNOW MR. CAPRA WORKED ON THOSE PLANS. EVEN IF WE NEED A SECOND OPINION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT SENDING WATER TO AN AREA THAT ALREADY HAS PROBLEMS. AND THEN SECONDLY, IN THAT AREA, KIND OF LIKE AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING WITH TRAFFIC

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WAS IT EVER CONTEMPLATED TO DO SINGLE SIDEWALK IN THE CENTER OF CORTEZ, BUFFERED ON EITHER SIDE LIKE YOU MIGHT SEE IN OTHER AREA.

KIND OF SPLIT THAT DIFFERENCE. YOU HAVE NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE TORN WITH WHAT'S FAIR AND WHAT'S NOT.

NO ONE WANTING TO GIVE UP THEIR RIGHT OF WAY, IF THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THOSE PLACES DOWN IN MIAMI THAT HAVE THAT CENTER SIDEWALK STREET THAT'S BUFFERED SIMILAR TO OSCEOLA STREET, ANOTHER REALLY I'M VERY CURIOUS AND TRYING TO CATCH UP ON THAT STATEMENT AREA, BUT LEARNING NOW THAT THAT DRAINAGE BUY INTO OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD WE HAVE TO GET A SECOND OPINION ON THE DRAINAGE OR I WANT US TO BE ASSURED THAT WE'RE NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECTING SOME OTHER AREA AND THAT ALL THOSE PLANS ARE DONE PROPERLY WITH THE DRAINAGE.

AND FINALLY, ON THAT NOTE, THE TRAFFIC CALMING.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE TO DO TRAFFIC CALMING AND INCREASE OUR POLICE PRESENCE IN THAT AREA, PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB AND THE INCREASED TRAFFIC THAT IS ADDED THROUGH.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS A BACK ENTRANCE. BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB THAT WASN'T ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AS A MAIN ENTRY.

THAT'S CAUSING INCREASED TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THEN WHY CITY ARE BEARING THE BURDEN OF HAVING TO ADD TRAFFIC CALMING POLICE INCREASED POLICE PRESENCE AS A REACTION TO THAT, WHEN IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO HANDLE THIS MEETING WITH BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

SCHOOL BOARD WORK ON GETTING THAT GATE CLOSED DURING THE APPROPRIATE TIME AT OUR POLICE SHARE THE BURDEN CALMING THAT AREA.

ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THROWING IT OUT.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER REED. I HAD A QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER MATHESON, IN REGARDS TO THE SIXTH STREET FLOODING, WAS IT IN REFERENCE TO TRACY GRIFFITH'S PROPERTY ON CHANNEL AT SIXTH? YES. SO HE CONTACTED ME AS WELL WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED AND I TRIED BRINGING IT UP.

I MEAN, THERE WERE OTHERS TO IT ALONG THAT, BUT TRACY AND I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WALK THE STREET AND YES.

I KNOW HE'S ALWAYS CONTINUALLY BROUGHT IT UP WITH ME AS WELL.

I'VE MENTIONED IT WITH MIKE. I THINK IT ALL JUST COMES DOWN TO MONEY.

WELL, AND I THINK MIKE MIGHT HAVE KNOWN BEFORE WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT TO HIS PROPERTY AND NEXT TO HIS DRIVEWAY AND ACROSS THE STREET, A HOLE. IN THE GROUND WITH STORMWATER. HIS LAND IS EXTREMELY LOW.

IN FACT, HIS HOUSE BUILT. BUILT FOR THE HOUSE BY THE WAY IT COMES OFF US. ONE, THREE, SIX. CALL IT A CURVE RIGHT THERE WHERE HIS DRIVEWAY IS AND HE SAYS WATER FLOWS RIGHT.

ANOTHER MULTIPLE TIMES. BUT THERE ARE LITERALLY. MY.

BIGGEST ROLE. PLAYS BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY IS THE ROAD GOES VERY CLOSE.

DRIVEWAY TO DRIVEWAY WATER. RIGHT.

WELL, IT'S LIKE, WHAT ARE WE DOING? LIKE, I KNOW KEVIN WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT REACHED OUT TO US ON STIFF.

YEAH, HE SENT US ALL EMAILS. I WENT TO THE PROPERTY AS WELL.

HE HAS FLOODING ISSUES TOO. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SOLVE EVERYONE'S FLOODING.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. OBVIOUSLY, MY BACKYARD IS.

MY BACKYARD. ON THE NEWS THAT. FORT LAUDERDALE WAS LITERALLY UNDERWATER DURING HIGH

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WE ARE. PUTTING IN SOME BENEFIT.

BUT WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CITY OF STUART. IT IS LEGAL BUT NOT APPROVED TO BUILD PARKING UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN ORDER TO HAVE PARKING UNDER BUILDING ENVELOPE.

PUBLIC HEARING. USE APPROVAL. THIS WILL POINT A FEW YEARS AGO, ESPECIALLY FOR. THOSE HOUSES. BUT KNOW THAT OVER. IF. YOU LOOK AT AN AERIAL VIEW KIND OF RIGHT BEHIND THE.

NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSES REBUILT.

AND BUILD A HOUSE, RIGHT. FLORIDA REQUIRES FOUNDATION.

THEIR HOUSE IS 18IN ABOVE THE ROAD. WELL, ONCE YOU HAVE EVERYBODY'S HOUSE AT 18IN ABOVE THE CROWN OF THE ROAD, WHATEVER OTHER WATER IS LEFT STAYS ON THE ROAD OR GOES TO THOSE HOUSES THAT AREN'T BUILT.

THE 1820S HOME RIGHT THERE. IN THE DRIVEWAY, BUT YOUR WHOLE FRONT YARD ALL THE WAY TO GET OUT OF THEIR CAR. THE WATER IS UP IN THE MIDDLE OF HORRIBLE REASON DOING STORMWATER.

BUT THE OTHER SIDE. THE STATE OF THE ROAD BUILT THE ROADS LOWER, THE ROADS WOULD BE UNDERWATER. WELL.

SO IT'S A. LOSE, LOSE. SO I THINK IT GOES BACK TO I KNOW THAT I. FELT LIKE THIS.

WELL, THESE AREN'T THE CITY. THEY'RE JUST THE ONES WITH THE LOUDEST VOICE THAT WANT THE PROBLEM FIXED.

PROBABLY MORE OF. THE WAY. I MEAN, I YOU'RE RIGHT.

I TALKED TO TRACY AND THAT STREET, AND I GUESS WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, IT HAD RAINED, BUT IT WASN'T HEAVY RAINS.

BUT I WAS LITERALLY OUT THERE ON A DAY WHEN IT WAS RAINING AND I COULD SEE THE WATER AND, AND PART OF THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS THE STORM GRADES AREN'T NECESSARILY IN THE LOWEST SPOT IN THE MOST FEASIBLE SPOT, MAYBE FOR THE CITY TO PUT THEM IN.

AND SO I TRY TO OPEN UP. MAYBE WE CAN TAKE A MORE HOLISTIC VIEW OF IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT COMING IN NEARBY.

AND PERHAPS WE CAN DIRECT MORE OF THE WATER INTO THOSE STORM DRAINS, OR EXPAND IT TO MORE OF A BIOSWALE THAT TRAPS THE WATER INSTEAD OF JUST ONE STORM GRADE AND GRADE AREA. AND I BRING THAT BACK OVER TO SAY THE SAME THING.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS. THOSE STORM DRAINS ARE IN THE LOWEST AREA WHERE THE WATER IS GOING.

OR, YOU KNOW, I CORRELATE WHAT MIKE SAID ABOUT THE HOUSING AND STUFF.

I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS THAT WITH OUR CODE AND THE YEAR END COMP AMENDMENTS AND CHANGE THIS PRACTICE GOING ON WHERE PEOPLE BRING IN BILL AND WE LOOK AT STANDARDS THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PAST 6 OR 8 YEARS. MARINE RESOURCE COUNCIL PUT ON A LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE.

A LOT OF THAT IS ABOUT REDOING YOUR CODES AND WORKING WITH YOUR RESIDENTS TO MAKE PROPERTIES, KEEP ALL THEIR STORMWATER ON SITE, AND MOVING STORMWATER A DIFFERENT WAY INSTEAD OF IT BEING IN A CULVERT.

IF IT'S FEASIBLE, IT'S OUT IN OPEN SWALES WHERE NATIVE PLANTS ARE SUCKING UP THE WATER, AND THERE'S A LOT MORE EVAPOTRANSPIRATION AND PERCOLATION THAN IT BEING TRANSFERRED FROM A TO B IN A CULVERT.

THERE'LL ALWAYS BE TIMES WHEN IT HAS TO BE OVER, BUT WE NEED TO START ADDING THAT A LOT MORE INTO OUR REPERTOIRE.

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CAPTURE THE WATER. THIS DRIVEWAY RIGHT HERE, DRIVEWAY QUESTION.

AND JUST THAT. SECTION BUT EIGHT AND THEN BEHIND IT IT DROPS DOWN TOWARD THE THREE.

BUT THOSE TWO STORMWATER OVER IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY AND THE WATER. FIRM WEST SIDE PROPERTY TO THE CULVERT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE BERM RIGHT THERE. BUT WHEN IT GETS TO HIS DRIVEWAY, IT FLOWS INTO HIS DRIVEWAY.

AND HIS DRIVEWAY IS NOT PAVED OR ELEVATED. AND YOU CAN SEE HIS HOUSE IN THE BACKGROUND IS ON STILTS BECAUSE IT WAS VERY LOW.

SO THE OPTION THEN BRING IN THE BILL BUILT RIGHT MOVE.

BUT IF WE PUT WE PUT OVER FOR TWO MORE. WE STILL HAVE THAT RUNOFF DRIVEWAY.

NO MATTER WHAT. GREAT. SO ONE OF THE REASONS I BRING IT UP.

WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHEN THESE AREAS AND US ONE AND MAY BE IN A PREDICAMENT WHERE IT'S HARD TO HELP CURRENT SITUATION, BUT WE CAN USE WHATEVER LEVERAGE WE MIGHT HAVE TO WORK WITH HOTEL BILL TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT IS FLOWING DOWN THAT STREET TOWARDS THOSE CULVERT.

YOU KNOW, LET'S LOOK ONE STEP UP TOWARDS THE HOTEL GOING UP AND THEY TAKE MORE STORMWATER COMING FROM US.

ONE GOING DOWN SIXTH STREET. FRAZIER CREEK, BUT HARMING THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES DOWN THERE.

HOW DO WE LOOK HOLISTICALLY AS THAT PROJECT COMES ALONG, THAT LESS WATER IS EVEN GETTING DOWN THE STREET? THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YEAH, PROBABLY UNLESS THEY'RE GOING STRAIGHT.

I MEAN, I KNOW, I MEAN, WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THEY'RE REMEMBERING HISTORY, BUT I MEAN, I WOULD HAVE THE CITY COMMISSION PASS. BY RIGHT.

BEFORE AS WELL. BUT I'M TRYING TO LEVERAGE AND COMMENT RIGHT NOW LEVERAGE EVERY ANGLE WE MIGHT HAVE KNOWING THAT YEAH. IF WE LOOK AT JUST WHAT THE PROPERTY THE CITY OWNS NEAR THE RESIDENCE, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE ANY POWER.

BUT EVENTUALLY THE LONG TERM ASPECTS CHANGE OUR CODE, HAVE MORE STORMWATER PROPERTIES.

BUT RIGHT NOW, HOW CAN WE LEVERAGE WITH SOMEONE WHO'S DOING A PROJECT UPSTREAM THE WAY RAINFALL.

I TOLD THEM TO WORK SOMEHOW. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING.

I DON'T KNOW, LIKE I SAID, GOING BACK TO IT, I THINK HAVING THAT CAPITAL GROUP AND RANKING STUFF LIKE THIS, TRACY'S HEAVENS, IF YOU DO A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROJECT HERE, WE SOLVING 20 ISSUES THAT MIGHT GET RANKED HIGHER THAN ONE IN HOUSE.

RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. WERE YOU GOING TO TRY TO ASK FOR THAT TO BE PUT ON TO SOME FUTURE DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION? THAT WAS MY QUESTION. SO WE CAN JUST BRING IT UP AS A COMMENT. NOW I'M GOING TO TAKE SOME PHOTOS OF BOTH OF THOSE SITES.

I'LL ALSO BRING BACK 6%. STORMWATER. I JUST SAW LAST WEEK.

YEAH. THE STATEMENT I'D LIKE TO SEE BACK. I MEAN, FOR ME, I KNEW THAT THE ENTIRE PROJECT, I DON'T REALLY KNOW. AND THE HOTEL IS AN EXTENSIVE DRAINAGE PLAN.

SO YEAH, I WANT TO SAY THAT I GOT AS FAR AS THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

I WANT TO SAY AT THE JOINT MEETING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, THEY'RE NOT USING THAT ENTRANCE ANYMORE.

IF THAT'S ANY. THAT'S THEY ARE. YEAH. SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP AGAIN.

SO I'VE, I'VE, AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD TO THIS CAME FROM THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB DURING ONE OF THESE COMMISSION MEETINGS WHERE THEY SAID THEY WOULD NOT USE THAT AS AN EXIT ON THE PROJECT. WELL THEN, SO IT. BUT I'VE ALWAYS HEARD THIS WAS DONE AT A LIKE A SO I, I

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MAY 23RD, 2023. WELL, ACTUALLY, IT HAS A CONDITION.

IT SAYS. WELL, BUT IT'S THE OPPOSITE. IT SAYS STUDENT ARRIVAL AND DEPARTURE ARRIVAL TIME. THE STUDENTS ARE EXPECTED TO BE PICKED UP FROM THEIR RESPECTIVE SCHOOL BUSSES, BUT DISMISSAL TIMES AND PROCEDURES AFTER 4:30 P.M..

PARENTS, BE ADVISED TO ACCESS THE SITE TO THE NORTH ACCESS ON SOUTHEAST AVENUE AND CIRCULATE SOUTH PICK UP DROP OFF AREA.

SO THAT'S. YEAH, THEY ARE STILL USING. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM RESIDENTS.

AND YET I THINK THAT COMMUNITY WAS SOLD THAT THAT WAS MORE OF AN EMERGENCY USE.

AND THE REASON I BRING IT UP IS WE ARE NOW ADDING OR HAVE ADDED A LOT MORE TRAFFIC CALMING PLAN AND ARE ALSO DISCUSSING IT THROUGH A PD AS TRAFFIC CALMING, WHEN PERHAPS WE CAN TRY AND SIT DOWN WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND FIGURE THIS OUT, YOU KNOW, AND OUR MONEY CAN BE SPENT MORE ON SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS THAT PEOPLE WANT AND STORMWATER. SO IT'S SOMETHING I AGREE WITH YOU.

I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION I THINK WE ALL THEY WEREN'T.

YEAH. THEY WEREN'T USING I WAS I HEARD CLEARLY AND I WANT TO SAY EVEN WHEN THEY HAD THE WORKSHOPS WITH LIKE NEIGHBORHOODS, I THINK IT WAS PRESENTED ADAMANTLY. YEAH. LIKE WHEN THEY'RE TELLING THE COMMUNITY LIKE, HEY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT. AND THEN SOMETHING HAPPENED. I'VE ALSO HEARD HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE BLOCKED OFF.

BLOCKED OFF HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE, AND THEY WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.

WELL, I'VE HEARD I MEAN, I ALL I KNOW RIGHT NOW IS RESIDENTS SEEM TO HAVE BEEN SOLD SOMETHING.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED BUT DON'T REALLY NEED TO BLOCK ANYTHING OFF.

BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB HAS A GATE. WE JUST NEED TO WORK WITH THEM ON.

HEY, CAN WE GET THIS GATE CLOSED? UNLESS IT'S AN EMERGENCY OR CLOSED DURING THE TIME OR CHANGE PICKUP? I THINK WE AS A COMMISSION AND CRA MAYBE SHOULD LOOK INTO THAT.

OKAY. SO ARE WE LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS HERE AS TO HOW TO GO FORWARD? BECAUSE WE SHOULD CRA MEETS ONCE A MONTH, I THINK IN THE BIG CIP PROJECT DONE.

FIRST. DONE. ESTABLISHED. WELL, THE THE REASON THIS IS IMPORTANT NOW IS THERE ARE OLD. FRANKLY, THAT'S I DON'T KNOW, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC CALMING PLANS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SEEM TO CORRELATE TRAFFIC CUTTING THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR BOYS AND GIRLS. AND SO I GUESS, I MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE THIS NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP OR, YOU KNOW.

I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A CONSENSUS.

DO WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB TO TRY AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT GATE? I THINK THAT I THINK THAT, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE NEXT OR HAVE THEM APPEAR AT THE NEXT CRA, ASK THEM IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO APPEAR AND DISCUSS IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.

I DON'T DISAGREE WITH COMMISSIONER REID. WE NEED TO FINISH THE CIP ALSO, BUT THAT COULD TAKE MONTHS AND WE REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS THIS ALSO.

SO. I KNOW BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE DO NEED TO DO NOW.

OR YOU'RE LOOKING AT JANUARY BY THE TIME ANYTHING REALLY COMES FORWARD.

I MEAN, SO I THINK IT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD.

IF EVERYONE AGREES THAT A LETTER SHOULD BE SENT TO THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, AND DOES IT INVOLVE THE SCHOOL BOARD? IT DOES. THEN THEY SHOULD BE SENT A LETTER. ALSO SCHOOL BOARDS PROPERTY.

OKAY, SO BUT BOTH BECAUSE THEY CERTAINLY INHABIT THE PROPERTY.

SO I THINK BOTH OF THEM SHOULD BE ASKED IF THEY WOULD COME BEFORE THE COMMISSIONER CRA AND THE COMMISSION TO ADDRESS THE FACT OF NUMBER ONE, IT WAS EVERYONE'S BELIEF, MINE ALSO. BONNIE, YOU WERE AT THOSE THOSE MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND THAT WAS THE BELIEF THAT THAT EVERYONE BELIEVED BELIEVE THAT?

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SO THE REALITY IS WE NEED TO ASK THEM IF THEY PLEASE COME TO A MEETING WHERE THEY CAN DISCUSS IT.

WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEM DO A PRESENTATION, WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO, BUT REALLY DISCUSS THAT.

WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CLOSED AS PER ORIGINAL AGREEMENT.

ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION? ARE YOU ASKING? MR..

WHY DON'T WE HAVE EITHER OUR STAFF MEET WITH SCHOOL BOARD SAYING THAT THIS IS THE REQUEST, OR PERHAPS THE MAYOR AND BOARD CHAIR, IF I COULD JUST CHIME IN ONE SECOND.

NO. THE SERIES OF MEETINGS IN JANUARY 26TH AND ON.

OCTOBER 16TH, THERE WAS COMMUNICATION. AND ON OCTOBER 7TH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. HERE'S ONE OF THE EMAILS.

DOCUMENTATION. MARK. RECIPIENT'S EMAILS. JUST TO BE CLEAR, HE DEDICATED MANY HOURS LAST YEAR ON THIS TOPIC. IN GOOD FAITH. AND AS GOOD NEIGHBORS, WE HAVE NO APPETITE TO DEVOTE ANY ADDITIONAL TIME AND SAVE THE TIME OF GETTING THE WHOLE THING OUT OF THE DOCUMENT. AND THAT.

LAST EMAIL JUST READ DATED OCTOBER 7TH. REFERENCE THE SERIES OF MEETINGS JANUARY 28TH.

OR WAS THAT TWO WEEKS AGO THAT FROM THE BOYS AND GIRLS, FROM THE BOYS AND GIRLS.

AGAIN. I'M GOING TO FOLLOW THE DIRECTION. I'M GOING TO INVITE THEM TO COME.

I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT THAT THEIR RESPONSE ON OCTOBER 7TH WAS, WE'VE ALREADY A LOT OF.

SO THEY WERE INVITED FOR OCTOBER 7TH, BUT DIDN'T APPEAR ON OCTOBER 7TH.

THEY EMAILED BACK TO ME. I DON'T KNOW IF. IT WAS IN RESPONSE TO. OTHER PEOPLE FOLLOWING UP WITH THE JOINT MEETING, RIGHT. IT SAYS. THERE'S A THREAD OF EMAILS AND DOCUMENTATION.

WE DEDICATED MANY HOURS LAST YEAR ON THIS TOPIC IN GOOD FAITH.

GOOD NEIGHBORS. WE HAVE NO APPETITE TO DEVOTE ANY TIME TO SAVE.

THE DOCUMENT. WE WANT TO PUT THIS WHOLE THING TO REST.

THAT'S A MINOR DEVELOPMENT. SURE, THEY HAD THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS PICK UP AFTER 430. HE. SAYS DISMISSAL TIMES AND PROCEDURES. AFTER 4:30 P.M., PARENTS WILL BE ADVISED.

THE SITE. THROUGH THE NORTH ALONG SOUTH SCHOOL AVENUE SOUTH.

I SPOKE TO THE POLICE CHIEF. JUST LAST WEEK, I WAS TRYING TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.

WELL, AND HE SAID PART OF IT IS RELATED TO IT'S AFTER 34 TO 36 HOURS COMING THROUGH THE SCHOOL PARKING LOT OR.

BE AFTER 430, THEY'RE ACCESSING IT PRIOR TO 430.

WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT THE PEOPLE ARE, BUT I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED WITH THE RANDOM CAR GOING IN AND OUT AT 230 FROM 430 TO 630. WHAT HAPPENS IS KIDS GET OUT OF SCHOOL, THEY GET TRANSPORTED TO BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, AND THEN MOM OR DAD GETS OFF WORK. THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY HOME TO PICK UP BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, THE SCHOOL AVENUE IN. AND THAT'S. IT'S A. AGAIN.

IT'S A. BOYS GIRLS CLUB WANT THEM COMING IN ON HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE.

THEY FLOW THROUGH. GO IN FRONT OF BOYS AND GIRLS, GO OUT ON MLK.

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WITH CHILDREN COMING IN AND OUT, PARENTS PICK UP DIRECTLY AFTER SCHOOL.

THEY HAVE POLICE BUS. STOP SCHOOLS, THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

THEY NEED THE CARS TO GO IN ONE DIRECTION SO THAT CARS AREN'T GOING TO WASTE IT STARTING OUT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT UNDERSTANDING WHY DON'T WE HAVE IT'S STILL WORTH DISCUSSION.

A DISCUSSION WITH OUR POLICE CHIEF. BECAUSE MY PROBLEM IS THAT IT STARTS TO EVOLVE TO A PD AND IN THIS AREA AND.

I CAN ALSO TELL YOU THAT POLICE CHIEF HIMSELF HAS GONE AND SAT IN HIS CAR BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S TWO ISSUES. THERE'S A VOLUME OF TRAFFIC.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A SPEEDING CLAIM. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THERE'S NO SPEEDING.

I DON'T READ IN THE CITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE NO SPEEDING.

BUT OVERALL, WE DID HAVE POLICE PRESENCE, DID HAVE MONITORING.

THERE WAS NO SPEEDING OF ANY SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN THOSE MONITORS.

DO THAT AGAIN. BUT WITHOUT A DOUBT YOU LIVED ON BEFORE THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB WAS BUILT.

IT WAS ESSENTIALLY A DEAD END ROAD, SO THERE WAS ZERO CAR BETWEEN 430 AND 6.

SO ONE CAR WOULD BE A HUNDRED. AND IT'S LIKELY THAT THEY HAD IN THE THOUSANDS.

OF CARS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY IT IS, BUT I WILL INVITE POLICE CHIEF OR SOMEONE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

BE PRESENT AT THE NEXT MEETING. I DID TELL GO PARK MY CAR AND SIT IN THE STUART MIDDLE SCHOOL PARKING LOT FROM LIKE FIVE, 531 NIGHT JUST TO SEE WHAT KIND OF VALUE WE TALKED ABOUT.

AND THERE WERE DEFINITELY CARS DRIVING IN. BUT WHEN I COMPARED TO WHAT HE LOOKED LIKE, CORNER GETS BACKED UP ALL THE WAY TO MEMORIAL PARK. SO IT WAS HARD FOR ME TO NONSCIENTIFIC A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

NO TRAFFIC. BUT THERE IS CARS TO THE YOU KNOW, THEY PUT THE TRAFFIC COUNT DOWN TO DO THAT.

BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU. WE HAVE I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

I DON'T THINK I'M FINISHED. OTHERWISE I'M GOING TO GO.

SO BEFORE I GIVE IT OVER TO MISS VOGEL, MY QUESTION IS THAT.

YES, THAT'S THE SCHOOL BOARD'S PROPERTY AND ITS BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB PROPERTY.

THEY'RE UTILIZING IT. BUT THE STREETS BELONG TO THE CITY OF STUART, DON'T THEY? YEAH. SO IF THE STREETS BELONG TO THE CITY OF STUART, THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN CONTROL THAT. I MEAN WE CAN'T.

WE. THERE ARE WAYS THE ROAD WE COULD CLOSE THE ROAD.

WE COULD FORCE THEM TO USE OTHER METHODS OR WE COULD ALL WORK TOGETHER.

THAT WOULD BE THAT. AGREE. LET'S ALL WORK TOGETHER.

THERE IS A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THAT RIGHT. AND OUR CHOICE COMMENTED ON IT.

ONE OF THE REACTIONS BY THOSE NEIGHBORS WAS, WELL THEN, OKAY, FINE.

IF IT HAS TO STAY OPEN AS A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THEN LET'S PUT A BARRIER OF SOME SORT ON STYPMANN SO THAT THERE CAN BE NO CUT THROUGH THAT. HIGH SCHOOL JUST LEADS STRAIGHT COLORADO.

ONLY ONE COMMENT AND I'LL LET IT GO. BUT J.D.

PARKER'S PICKUP LINE AT SCHOOL. BUT BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB IS ACTING AS AN AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM HISTORICALLY WORKED WITH THE CITY AND.

HOWEVER, THAT SCHOOL BOARD, THAT PICKUP LINE MEANDERS ALL THE WAY AROUND SOME PRIVATE LAND TO GET CARS THAT ARE STACKED OFF PALM BEACH ROAD.

AND THEY COME IN ONE WAY AND LEAVE, YOU KNOW, IN A LOOP AT BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB FRONT ENTRANCE.

IT'S A LOOP PATTERN OFTEN. AND WE HAVE TWO ISSUES THAT I THINK NEED TO BE WORKED OUT WITH THIS ONE.

AND THE STACK BARS FOR SURE. MIDDLE SCHOOL GENERAL.

LEADS US TO THE AGENDA ITEM. SO YOU KNOW WE GOT TO MOVE FORWARD, RIGHT? BUT BEFORE THE CITY EXPANDS MONEY ON CALMING AND ALL OF THAT, WHICH WILL REALLY JUST SLOW UP TRAFFIC,

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YEAH. IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN WE NEED TO TAKE OTHER ACTIONS TO AT LEAST PROTECT THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA WHO ARE BEING INUNDATED WITH THE OVERFLOWS AND THE CUT THRUS.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE. SO NUMBER TWO, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT BECOMES SOMETHING WHERE YOU GET A DIRECTION FROM THE BOARDS TO SAY, COULD YOU PLEASE REACH OUT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE AND DOES THAT REQUIRE A VOTE? SO THAT'S MY NUMBER ONE QUESTION AND I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU.

SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF OPTIONS. WE COULD HAVE THE POLICE CHIEF, MYSELF OR THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR OR MEET WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB AND TRY TO DISCUSS WITH THAT IS THE BOARD DOESN'T GET THE BENEFIT OF ANY OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS OR HEAR WHAT WAS SAID AND DONE OR WHAT IT WAS, IF IN FACT THEY WEREN'T INVOLVED AND IT WAS JUST UP TO THIS BOARD RIGHT HERE, WHAT IS IT THAT THAT YOU WOULD WANT THE OUTCOME TO BE? I THINK THE BEST THING FOR THAT IS OUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE THAT WE KIND OF HEAR A PRESENTATION WITH POLICE AND OTHER OPTIONS. WE FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR HEARTS WOULD DESIRE AT SOLVING OUR MIND IS GOING TO BE CLEAR ON HOW DO WE SOLVE THE ISSUE ON THIS.

AND THEN THERE'S PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAVE SPOKEN IN THE PAST, I THINK WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME INPUT ON THAT ALSO.

ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT BY PUTTING THE PRESENTATION FROM THE POLICE CHIEF ON THE AGENDA.

OKAY, THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY GET THE FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU GUYS AT THE NEXT MEETING AND BE ABLE TO AT LEAST VOICE THEIR CONCERNS SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION AS TO WHAT IT IS, THAT IT MIGHT BE NICE FOR THAT MEETING TO INVITE A MEMBER OF THE BOARD AND A MEMBER OF THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB SO THAT THEY CAN HEAR THE THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA AND THE PROBLEMS INVOLVED.

SO I WOULD MOTION THAT. WE HAVE A I KNOW THEY'RE AWARE OF IT, BUT IN A PUBLIC MEETING WHICH IS RECORDED, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THEM GETTING LETTERS AND WHATNOT AND, AND STAFF MEETINGS.

YEAH, THERE'S A LOT MORE. THERE'S A LOT WHEN YOU'RE SITTING RIGHT HERE. YEAH. YEAH.

MR. COMMISSIONER MATHESON I'D HAVE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE OUR STEWART POLICE CHIEF COME BACK TO TO GIVE US MORE INFORMATION ON THE SITUATION WITH BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB PICKING UP AND THEIR REAR GATE. BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE THAT PRESENTATION TO INCLUDE STEWART MIDDLE SCHOOL PICK UP AND DROP OFF ROUTINE.

HOW IT AFFECTS TRAFFIC ON MLK AND EAST OCEAN.

AND THEN HIGH SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE, AS WELL AS COMPARING THAT TO THE SITUATION WITH PICKUP DONE AT JD PARKER.

SO WE CAN ALL SEE SOMETHING AND, AND OPEN OUR MINDS UP TO OTHER OPTIONS WITH AN INVITATION.

INCLUDED IN THAT IS WITH AN INVITATION TO A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER AND A MEMBER FROM BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

YEAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. HE MADE A MOTION.

I SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. THERE'S A SECOND. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE GO? YOU YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS MOTION, MISS VOGEL? NO, NOT ON THIS MOTION. ON THE DRAINAGE. SO WE CAN JUST HOLD ON TO THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS. WE'RE STILL IN BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS.

YOU'LL HAVE YOUR CHANCE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

WHEN WE'RE ASKING ABOUT THE POLICE GIVING A PRESENTATION, WHAT ARE THEY PRESENTING ON TRAFFIC PATTERNS? HE'S. I, I KNOW THAT WHEN I SPOKE, HE HAD POLICE LIEUTENANT BOSIO COMMUNICATING WITH BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB AND WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, AND HE HAD POLICE PRESENCE THERE, MONITORING TRAFFIC, ISSUING SPEEDING TICKETS, AND IN THE MEANTIME, HELP HIM DO THE ACTUAL RUBBER THING ON THE GROUND TO DO TRAFFIC COUNTS.

SO WE CAN ACTUALLY TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT ARE GOING, OKAY, SO HE'S PROBABLY SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOMETHING LIKE AN EXISTING CONDITIONS.

YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. AND WHEN YOU SAY THE RUBBER THINGS ON THE GROUND, YOU MEAN LIKE THE ACTUAL COUNTS, NOT THE NOT THE SPEED FEEDBACK SIGN THAT ALSO DOES.

RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S IT. EXISTING CONDITIONS. OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAS A QUESTION TO OR OUR GENERAL ENGINEER. SORRY. I DIDN'T WANT TO GET UP.

BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND A COUPLE THINGS.

AND AGAIN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ANYTHING YOU RECOMMENDED.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL UNDERSTAND ON A COUPLE THINGS FOR GOING ON IN THIS AREA.

OKAY. BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT NOW FOR PROBABLY ABOUT 3 OR 4 YEARS.

AND WE'VE ACTUALLY, WE WENT FROM A SIDEWALK PROJECT TO A STORMWATER PROJECT TO A NARROW STREET PROJECT.

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SO IT'S GOTTEN TO BE MORE THAN JUST A LITTLE FIX, A SWELL, PUT AN INLET HERE.

WE PRETTY MUCH WE'RE PUTTING STORMWATER EVERYWHERE.

AND AGAIN, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND FROM THE FOLKS THAT THEY DON'T WANT ANY MORE WATER GOING THEIR WAY.

AND WE PLAN ON ACCOMMODATING THAT. OKAY. NO MORE WATER FLOWING IN THAT DIRECTION THAN IS CURRENT.

WE CAN MAKE LESS AND WE CAN PUT SOME IN OTHER BASINS, BUT WE'RE.

WE'RE GOING TO ALSO RUN INTO MORE BASIN ANALYSIS ON SOME OF THOSE OTHER AREAS.

BUT WE'LL DO WHATEVER YOU ASK US TO DO. OKAY.

I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WE'VE DONE THE COUNTS ALREADY.

WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THIS EXERCISE. WE CAN DO THEM AGAIN.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DOING THAT. I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN DONE HERE.

AND FROM A TRAFFIC CALMING STANDPOINT. AND AGAIN, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO RELATIVE TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.

DOESN'T BOTHER ME AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF WE'VE BEEN DOING, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE ACTUALLY PUT ALWAYS STOPS AT EVERY INTERSECTION OUT THERE.

SO IT'S NOT VERY CONVENIENT FOR SOMEBODY TO GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE NOT GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M JUST TELLING YOU, BUT I KNOW THEY'RE NOT TECHNICALLY ALWAYS STOPS ARE NOT A METHOD FOR TRAFFIC CALMING, BUT ESSENTIALLY, WE'VE MADE IT PRETTY ANNOYING FOR PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION BECAUSE EVERY INTERSECTION HAS THREE WAY STOPS OR ALWAYS STOPS.

SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT. SECOND THING IS WE NARROWED THE STREET ON ON TWO.

AT LEAST TWO OF THE STREETS, MAYBE THREE. AND THE IDEA OF THAT IS TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.

OTHER THINGS YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS PROJECT IS WE NOT ONLY HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THIS, WHICH ALSO WE'VE TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH SIDES.

AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO POINT OUT IS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY PROBLEM GETTING THE RESIDENTS COME OUT. WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH THEM AND I'M. AND OBVIOUSLY THE MORE MEETINGS YOU HAVE, THE MORE THE BETTER THE PLAN GETS.

OKAY. BUT WE'VE HAD SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MEETINGS ON THIS, AND I'M HAPPY TO DO ANYTHING YOU WANT US TO DO, BUT I JUST DID WANT YOU TO KNOW I DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE GRANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE BECAUSE IT TOOK US A WHILE TO GET THEM, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, A JOB THAT WOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN DONE WITHIN A TWO YEAR PERIOD OF TIME HAS GONE TO FOUR BECAUSE YOU GOT TO WAIT AND GET THOSE GRANTS.

SO EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS GOOD. I'M JUST AND I, I'M GOING TO STOP ON DRAWING THE PLANS UNTIL YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT, BECAUSE THE PLANS CONTINUE. OKAY. THAT THERE'S A RESOLUTION PASSED BY THE BOARD.

WE HAVE WE HAVE DONE THAT ALREADY. OKAY. THAT CONTINUE.

IF THEY CHANGE IT, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AT THAT TIME.

JOE, SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS WERE THAT MY DESIRE TO GET UP DATED, HAVING JUST COME ON THE NOT KNOWING HOW TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. MAYBE I CAN JUST GET WITH YOU OR PLAN BECAUSE WE'VE ACTUALLY MOVED FROM ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD TO ANOTHER SIDE. YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF.

YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO COME DOWN THE ROAD, THERE IS.

I KNOW YOU'RE ALL. TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYTHING.

WE HAVE TRIED TO DIDN'T MEAN TO GET UP AND MAKE EVERYBODY TALK.

YEAH. MR. KAPOOR, JUST STAY THERE FOR ONE QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER.

BUT I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE BOARD WE HAD ONE SPECIAL ITEM ON THIS AGENDA, AND IT'S ALMOST 5:00, AND WE'RE JUST ABOUT TO BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS.

WE WE SHOULD HAVE LET OUR BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS TO BE FULL SIZE AGENDA ITEM DISCUSSIONS.

AND IF WE NEED TO HAVE ITEMS PUT UP FOR DISCUSSION DELIBERATION, WE NEED TO GET IT TO OUR STAFF AND MAKE SURE THAT WE AT LEAST HAVE SOME KIND OF ORDER ON THIS THING. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER. MR. KAPOOR, PLEASE.

HI, JOE. THANK YOU. FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THAT THE REASON SOMETIMES WE'RE LONG WINDED IS WE MEET ONCE A MONTH.

SO WE TRY TO ACCOMPLISH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND TO TRY AND MINIMIZE WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS SAY AT A CRA MEETING.

CRB MEETING, I THINK IS UNWISE BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST PUTTING OFF THINGS THAT IT TAKES SIX MONTHS TO GET DONE WHEN THEY CAN BE DONE IN 2 OR 3.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED THE THE GRANTS.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU FEEL WOULD JEOPARDIZE ANY OF THOSE GRANTS? AND IF THERE ARE, COULD YOU PLEASE EMAIL US AND LET US KNOW? I THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT DELAY IN THE DRAINAGE PROJECT. AND THE PROJECT HAS BEEN DESIGNED AND PAID FOR.

OKAY, I. I DRIVE FROM MY OFFICE. SO YOU'RE THE PROBLEM.

ARE YOU SPEEDING UP WHILE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH?

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JOE. RIGHT. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE'S A TIME ELEMENT. I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE GRANT. IS THERE A WAY TO GET AN EXTENSION IF WE FEEL THAT WE'RE COMING TO A TIME ENDING? NO. PRETTY CLOSE. YEAH WE ARE.

WE'RE TWO YEARS PAST WHERE WE WERE. DON'T GET ME WRONG, IF SOMEBODY HASN'T BEEN PART OF IT, THEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE YOU DONE? COMMISSIONER JOB. YOU HAVE A COMMENT? NO, I DID HAVE A COMMENT.

I JUST SAID IT. YOU'RE DONE WITH YOUR COMMISSION. I'M DONE WITH MINE. COMMISSIONER. RICH COMMISSIONER.

NO. THAT'S OKAY. WE'RE GOING AROUND. MY ONLY COMMENT IS A QUESTION TO MISS MOSER.

ARE THE CONCERNS OF THE PEOPLE ON STATEMENT ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE CONCERNS OF THE PEOPLE ON. WITH REGARD TO THE I WOULD SAY YES. THEY ARE PROHIBITED BY THE MUTCD FROM.

BUT YEAH, YEAH. STOP SIGNS ARE NOT A GREAT LONG TERM SOLUTION.

BUT YEAH, I MEAN WE HAVE THESE SPEEDING ISSUES ALL OVER THE CITY.

IT IS IT IS AN ISSUE WITH THE DESIGN OF OUR STREETS.

IF YOU MAKE STREETS THAT PEOPLE CAN'T SPEED ON, THEY WON'T SPEED.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING YOU CAN DO ON A PUBLIC STREET TO CHANGE VOLUMES.

I MEAN, IN THIS CASE, YOU'VE GOT THIS ENTRANCE AND EXIT THAT COULD MODIFY THAT.

BUT WE WANT TO CHANGE DRIVER BEHAVIOR. I AGREE WITH MR. CAPRA. WE WE'VE HAD THE PUBLIC INPUT. I DO THINK THAT NARROWING THE STREETS IS GOING TO BE IMPACTFUL.

I THINK TREES ON THE STREET WILL BE IMPACTFUL.

AND I THE MAYOR ASKED WHEN I CAME IN TODAY HOW LONG I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD.

AND I THINK IT'S BEEN ABOUT THREE YEARS NOW. AND SOMETHING I'VE OBSERVED IS SOMETIMES WE HAVE A TENDENCY TO GO IN CIRCLES, GO BACK ON THINGS, CHANGE OUR MIND ON THINGS.

AND I REALLY WANT TO START SEEING THINGS BE BUILT AND MOVE FORWARD.

SO I DEFINITELY THINK YOU SHOULD BE ENGAGING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND, THE AND BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

BUT IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN OF THE STREET I THINK LET'S, LET'S GET IT MOVING.

THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER JAMES OR ANY COMMENTS.

BOARD MEMBER VOGEL. NOPE. STILL WAITING ON DRAINAGE.

WE'LL BE BACK. OKAY. OKAY. YOU'RE NOT. YOU DON'T HAVE A COMMENT? NOT NOT ON THE TRAFFIC, PER SE, BUT THE DRAINAGE, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

YOU KNOW THE CITY MANAGER TALKED ABOUT THE 18 INCH RULE ABOVE ALL THE NEW HOMES GO IN.

IT'S 18IN ABOVE. SO I MEAN, THAT BECOMES A REAL PROBLEM OVER TIME.

THAT'S EVERY HOUSE WILL EVENTUALLY GET REBUILT ONE DAY.

THAT'S TWO STORY, THREE STORY HOMES THAT HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES. THAT'S 50% OF THE FRONTAGE OF THEIR YARD IS NOW DEDICATED TO THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH THEN SLOPES DIRECTLY BACK TO THE STREET.

SO THE PROBLEM WHILE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, FIX THE DRAINAGE, WE STILL NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DRAIN AND COLLECT WATER AND HAVE THE OWNERS ACTUALLY COLLECT THE WATER ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

AS A HOMEOWNER OF A OLD HOME, I'M THE LOWEST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE SITUATION, THERE'S TWO RETENTION PONDS ON LIKE TWO RETENTION AREAS IN MY OWN YARD, BUT NO ONE ELSE HAS A RETENTION AREA.

SO WHY ARE THE NEW HOMES NOT REQUIRED TO RETAIN THEIR OWN WATER? WE CAN SAY THAT WE RETAIN WATER WHEN WE DESIGN THE HOMES, BUT WE CAN'T POP OVER WITH A CAR INTO THE DRIVEWAY AND INTO THE GARAGE. SO WHAT OTHER SOLUTIONS CAN WE DO? ENCOURAGE STEM WALL CONSTRUCTION. WE CAN ALSO MAYBE ENCOURAGE MORE DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE MORE PERMEABLE THAN JUST PAVERS.

I KNOW WE SAY PAVERS CAN BE PERMEABLE, BUT IN A HUGE RAINSTORM THEY'RE GOING TO GO STRAIGHT BACK TO THE ROAD.

SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MADAM MAYOR, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. LET ME LET ME JUST STAY RIGHT ONTO THE DRAINAGE.

WHAT DID YOU HAVE, MR.. OKAY. OKAY. I THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE GOING TO.

WAIT A MINUTE. AM I GETTING PICKED ON HERE? I BUILT AN ADU.

500FT². I HAD TO BUILD A BIG A RETENTION POND IN MY YARD LARGER THAN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE.

SO ISN'T THAT A REQUIREMENT? THAT WAS JUST. WHAT HAPPENED? WE DO HAVE CODE THAT REQUIRES ENGINEERED DRAWINGS TO SHOW THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS MAINTAINING THE WATER ON THE LAND, BECAUSE I CAN HIRE AN ENGINEER TO DESIGN IT. BUT AS BOARD MEMBER VOGEL POINTS OUT, THE ENGINEER DESIGNS.

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BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A 25 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY, WHATEVER IT WAS THAT THAT STEM WALL, THAT SWELL OR THAT DRAINAGE POND WAS GOING TO CAPTURE.

THERE'S ONE FLOW 25FT WIDE THAT FLOWS RIGHT BACK OUT ONTO THE TO THE ROAD.

AND ANYWAY, COLLECTING ALL YOUR ROOF WATER AND THEN SPITTING IT OUT ONTO THE DRIVEWAY.

SO MAYOR. BUT IN YOUR CASE, YOU MAYBE HAD TO HAVE A DRAINAGE PLAN DONE BECAUSE YOU WENT OVER THE ALLOTTED PERCENTAGE, AN ADDITIONAL ENGINEERED PLAN, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

YEAH. YOU HAD TO HIRE AN ENGINEER. YEAH. CIVIL ENGINEERING, THE CAPACITY OF IT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. LET ME HAVE A COMMENT FROM YOU.

YEAH. JUST. SO.

IT'S NOT AN EASY THING TO CONTROL. SO.

FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU. FOR. THE.

QUESTION. WE ARE TRYING. BUT.

I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY WAY AROUND THAT. WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT.

WE KEEP OUR EYE ON IT. YOU SAW IT TODAY. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE FRIDAY NIGHT.

IT'S GOING TO BE. EXACTLY WHAT WE CAN DO IS ANSWER THAT.

ONE. THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. FIVE YEARS. YEAH. WE PROBABLY NEED TO ADDRESS THIS CONSTRUCTION.

MY HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1950. IT WAS BUILT ON CINDER BLOCK.

COMPLETE SAND UNDERNEATH IT. 24IN UP ABOVE STAIRS.

GO UP WITH THE SAND UNDERNEATH. MY HOUSE IS AVAILABLE FOR WATER.

NEWER HOUSES, THEY BRING IN THE FILL AND THEN THEY POUR A SLAB AND BUILD THE HOUSE RIGHT ON THE SLAB.

AND WHERE THAT HOUSE IS HAS NO PERVIOUS AREA UNDERNEATH IT AT ALL, AND IT DISPERSES THE WATER INTO WHAT'S REMAINING OF THE YARD.

IF DESIGN PRACTICES AGAIN TELL YOU HOUSE BUILDERS DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE.

START BUILDING THE HOUSES NOT ON THE PLAT OR INTO THE EITHER ON SOME SORT OF PERVIOUS SURFACE OR THE ELEVATED PARKING UNDERNEATH THEM. BOTH ARE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. HOME BUILDER.

BUT AS CAPRA POINTS OUT, LOOKING AT A 2030, 50 YEAR RESILIENCE PLAN, THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE BUILT 18IN ABOVE RIGHT NOW ARE GOING TO BE ONE INCH ABOVE SEA LEVEL WHEN IT COMES TIME TO NEED TO BE ELEVATED.

SO THAT WOULD GIVE HOUSES THAT SPACE UNDER THEM WATER.

THEY WOULD. YEAH. AND I, I THINK RETENTION IS SO IMPORTANT FOR THIS, BUT ALSO YEAH, THE STEM WALL CONSTRUCTION AND ENCOURAGING THAT. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

BUT IT GOES TO THE BUILDING OFFICIALS AND IT GOES TO THE PERMITTING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

AND TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT AFTER PERMITTING HAPPENS IS TO MAKE SURE SOMEBODY GOES OUT THERE AND SAYS, HEY, LIKE THIS WATER IS NOT BEING RETAINED, LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS GOING TO BE RETAINED.

AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT. WE HAVE 1 OR 2 BUILDING OFFICIALS THAT ARE GOING OUT AND SEEING THIS.

THANK YOU. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION GOING ON? WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MOTION.

AND A SECOND I WAS GOING TO ASK THE CITY CLERK, NOT THAT WATER IS NOT IMPORTANT, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET THAT MOTION OFF THE TABLE AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE NEXT IMPORTANT THING. SO THAT'S FINE.

I DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. ON THE MOTION AND THE OKAY, I DO A PUBLIC COMMENT.

MR. GLENN COLLINS, MR. COLLINS, COME FORWARD.

HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON COLLINS.

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THEY DID A STUDY FOR POISON OAK. THEY DID MENTION THAT THEY WERE GOING TO USE. I THINK THEY DID PRESENT IT TO THE PRESIDENT.

WELL, WE'RE NOT REALLY. BUT IT IS IN THE STUDY.

BUT THE ONE THING IN THE STUDY IS 40 PAGES. THEY NEVER MENTIONED IT.

THEY DID A TRAFFIC COUNT AND JUST.

MY PARENTS LIVE ON. A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS AT THIS POINT WANT SOME SORT OF LIKE. THE LATEST THING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

LIKE. FOR ME TO AT LEAST TEMPORARILY CLOSE OFF AT THE END OF HIGH SCHOOL. TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THE.

I READ THE CITY CODE. CITY MANAGER.

MY WIFE HAD A MEETING. HERE WE GO. BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

SHE WAS TOLD. THAT A TRAFFIC COP SHE BROUGHT UP THERE IS AN ENTRANCE ON GEORGIA AS WELL.

THEY SAID WE WILL NOT USE GEORGIA. BECAUSE ACROSS THE POND.

STUART PROPERTY. AND THERE'S ABOUT A 10 OR 15 MINUTE OVERLAP TIME THAT STUART MIDDLE IS OFFICIALLY OPEN.

AND WHEN THEY'RE DOING PICKUP. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. COLLINS. THANK YOU. IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE ANYTHING WITH THE CLERK, YOU CAN LEAVE IT NOW OR LATER.

OR SEND A COPY TO THE CLERK. WE'D APPRECIATE THAT.

NINA AND I PLAN TO THANK YOU AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHERE THE MOTION IS, TO GET SOME KIND OF A STUDY GOING.

SO WE'LL BE WORKING ON THAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR? MR. BRINKLEY? TWO THINGS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND THE AND THE TRAFFIC.

WE DEFINITELY DON'T NEED NO WATER COMING IN OUR AREA.

WE HAVE A LOW LYING AREA. I'VE BEEN LIVING IN THAT AREA FROM A KID.

THAT AREA, MY STREET AND ALL THAT AREA IS A LOW LYING AREA.

WE HOLD WATER RIGHT NOW IS WATER. WE ARE SATURATED SO WE DON'T NEED NO WATER COMING FROM NOWHERE ELSE COMING IN THE EASTER COMMUNITY.

MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. THAT HOUSE BESIDE ME BEEN FLOODED TWICE.

I'M ELEVATED. AND MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET.

ALL THE OTHER HOUSES. WATER. WE HOLD WATER RIGHT NOW.

IT'S WATER THERE NOW EVEN MISS CLOUD IN YOUR PARKING LOT.

SO WE DON'T NEED NO WATER COMING BACK IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE DO NOT NEED WATER COMING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, Y'ALL.

IT'S BEEN FLOODED THERE IN THE PAST, SO WE DON'T NEED NO WATER.

PLEASE DON'T HAVE NO WATER COMING THROUGH E STEWART.

AND CONCERNING THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. I HAVE A GRANDDAUGHTER THERE.

THE SITUATION IS FOR YOU TO COME OFF OF HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE.

IF PEOPLE COME TO THESE OTHER STREETS, THAT'S THEIR CHOICE.

THEY ARE DOING THAT BECAUSE BE HONEST, I HAVE DID IT ONCE GO DOWN THE SIDE STREET.

THE ANSWER IS TO COME OFF OF EAST OCEAN AVENUE TO COME BEHIND THE BUILDING WHERE YOU.

EVERYBODY FLOWS OUT ONTO MLK. THAT'S WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

YOU'RE COMING OFF OF EAST OCEAN ONTO HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE AND THEN COMING OUT ONTO MLK.

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BUT THAT'S HOW THEY HAVE US TO DO. BECAUSE YOU'RE COMING IN OUT IN THE SAME WAY OFF OF MARTIN LUTHER KING.

THAT'S WHERE IT USED TO BE. THEY STOPPED THAT. SO EVERYBODY COMES OFF OF HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE INTO THE ENTRANCE OF THE BANK, WHERE THE GATE. AND THEN YOU PICK UP YOUR CHILD AND YOU COME OUT ONTO EAST AVENUE.

A LOT OF TIMES I WALK DOWN THERE TO GET MY GRANDBABY BECAUSE TRAFFIC IS HEAVY ON MLK.

SO THAT'S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. PEOPLE COME DOWN THESE SIDE STREETS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR CHOICE OF DOING THAT.

BUT THE ENTRANCE IS TO COME INTO THE BACK OFF OF HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE, PICK UP YOUR CHILD AND COME BACK ONTO MLK.

THAT'S HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. IF THEY'RE GOING INTO THE STREETS, THEY'RE DOING IT ON THEIR OWN.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, CLARK? NO, I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENT, CHAIR.

MR. CHRISTIE. OH, WAIT A MINUTE. YES. I HEARD A FEW THINGS AS THE GENTLEMAN HERE WAS COMING, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY STEWART WE DON'T WANT TO BE THOUGHT OF AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S MOST PARAMOUNT REGARDING THIS TRAFFIC ISSUE IS THAT SAFETY IS OUR PARAMOUNT CONCERN.

ALL THE TRAFFIC STUDIES, ALL THE SPEED BUMPS, ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT WAS MENTIONED THAT'S ALL PUT IN PLACE, SUPPOSEDLY FOR SAFETY. WHEN YOU HAVE A ROAD THAT PEDESTRIANS ARE USING, WHEN YOU HAVE A ROAD THAT CARS ARE ON, YOU LOOK AT SAFETY. I'VE BEEN ON THAT ROAD A LOT, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE SOME OF THE ROADS, NOT THE RESIDENTS, BUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT'S COMING THROUGH THERE. THEY'RE GOING FASTER THAN EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

I SEE IT ALL THE TIME. THEY'RE GOING FASTER, FASTER THAN AN AMBULANCE.

THEY'RE GOING FASTER THAN THE POLICE. AND IT'S QUITE FREQUENT.

SO NOT ONLY IS THE VOLUME IMPORTANT AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF A STUDY WAS DONE.

PROJECT LIFT IS COMING. GUESS WHAT. THAT'S GOING TO PUSH EVERYTHING UP.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF A SAFETY STUDY WAS DONE OR TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA AND WE HAVE KIDS.

THAT'S PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. THAT'S ON OUR PERIMETER.

SO WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT SPEED. I KNOW THE SPEED ON IT BECAUSE I'M WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK AND I'M FEELING THE AIR RUSHING PAST ME AS PEOPLE GO 60MPH. 25 IS THE SPEED LIMIT. SO WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE CONSIDERED AN AFTERTHOUGHT FOR ANYTHING THAT GOES ON IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOTIFIED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. MADAM CLERK, I HAVE NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.

CALL THE ROLL. MR.. OH, SORRY. SORRY. CAN WE GET ANOTHER READING? YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK HER TO REREAD IT. PLEASE. HAPPY TO HAVE THE STEWART POLICE CHIEF PROVIDE INFORMATION ON THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB REAR GATE AND THE STEWART MIDDLE SCHOOL PICKUP AND DROP OFF, AND HOW IT AFFECTS TRAFFIC ON EAST OCEAN AND HIGH SCHOOL AVENUE WITH AN INVITATION TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

IS THAT CLEAR FOR EVERYONE? AND THE ENTIRE CRB CRA WILL BE VOTING.

YOU'LL CALL THE ROLL? YES. CHAIR. CLERK. YES.

BOARD MEMBER. JOB. YES. BOARD MATHESON. YES. BOARD MEMBER.

DE BERARD. BOARD MEMBER. RICH. YES. BOARD MEMBER.

JAMES. YES. BOARD OR VICE CHAIR. MOSER. YES. AND BOARD MEMBER.

VOGEL. YES. THANK YOU. AND WE'VE DONE ALL OUR COMMENTS BY BOARD MEMBERS.

I HAD A FEW COMMENTS, BUT ONE WAS THE STATEMENT WITH HEMPHILL AND COLLINS AND ANOTHER GENTLEMAN WHO BROUGHT UP AND I KNOW MISS MOSHER HAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT HAVING THE STREETS NARROWER SO THAT PEOPLE WON'T SPEED.

AND THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THAT COMMUNITY WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT PLAN.

SO THERE'S A A DIVERGENT OPINION AS TO HOW THAT IS PROGRESSING WITH THE WITH THE CRA.

AND THEN WITH REGARD TO DRAINAGE. AND I KNOW THAT IT'S KING TIDE.

BUT AND THIS IS A COUNTY ROAD, BUT IT'S PALM BEACH ROAD THAT IS STILL CONTINUES TO HAVE A LOT OF DRAINAGE ISSUES AND I'VE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE DITCHES AROUND THERE AND I WONDER IF SOMEBODY IS KEEPING UP WITH THEM, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE, WE NEED THAT HELP NOW. AND THEN.

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SO I WASN'T SURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT FOR THE CRA, IF POSSIBLE.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PLANS AND SOMETHING IN THE WORKS.

BUT STILL, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD BE DONE.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING WAS WITH REGARD TO THE MLK PARK AGAIN, IF I COULD HELP WITH EITHER ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THAT MAKES IT TALLER ALONG THE RAILROAD SIDE OR TO DO SOME OTHER WORK OR PLAN FOR THERE. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CREATING SOME TYPE OF A BUFFER AND MAKING IT, IF YOU CAN EVER MAKE IT QUIETER WITH THE, WITH THE TRAIN COMING THROUGH THERE AT THE PARK.

AND OF COURSE, THERE'S ALWAYS A CONSTANT CONCERN ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE BATHROOMS AT MLK PARK. AND I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME INSTANCES WHERE THEY'VE BEEN BASICALLY VANDALIZED AND THEY HAVE TO GO IN AND CLEAN THEM UP AND REDO CERTAIN THINGS, BUT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, MR. REED. COMMISSIONER REED. YEAH.

IN REGARDS TO SHEPHERD'S PARK, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FROM THE ROWING CLUB THAT CONTACTED YOU? NO. THEY HAVE ONE THEY USE. THEY'RE THERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR ALL OF THAT.

IF WE USE THEM PROPERLY, THAT'S HOW THE AGENDA ITEM WAS PRESENTED.

WELL, AND THEY'RE GETTING PERMITS RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE FROM I DON'T KNOW.

YEAH. BUT THEY HAVE. SPOKEN ABOUT IT. THERE'S A BUILDING, A RESIDENTIAL DOCK. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.

THEY. WELL THEY WANT TO DO IT. I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.

SO I'LL GO BACK. THAT'S WHAT I WAS RIGHT. THEY WERE.

YEAH. THEY WERE. YEAH. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, TOO.

THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING FOR IT AND DOING IT.

THAT WAS PART OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT. OR MAYBE WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT LEASE AND BE MORE CONSCIOUS OF THE LEASES WE GIVE OUT.

I SPOKE TO MR. WOLFORD ON FRIDAY, AND THEY WOULD LIKE THE BUILDING.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPAIR THE DOCK ON THE DOCKS THAT ARE IN DISREPAIR AND FENCED OFF, AND THEY WANT TO DO IT THEMSELVES.

THOSE WERE THE TWO ISSUES THAT THEY WANTED TO.

THEY. THEY'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO ALL OF YOU, AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER DOBEY REACHED OUT TO ME ON REQUEST TO HER, AND SO I JUST CALLED THEM UP. THAT'S WHAT HE'S PROPOSING.

HE'S PROPOSING FOR YOU TO COME BY SO WE CAN WALK THE PROPERTY.

AND YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, GRANT? YES.

THAT WAS MY CONCERN. I, TOO, HAD SPOKEN TO THE CITY MANAGER, AND I INTENDED ON SPEAKING.

ABOUT IT AS WELL, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A LEASE.

THEY HAVE A LICENSE, A NON-EXCLUSIVE LICENSE AGREEMENT.

SO. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. THEY JUST SAID THAT THEY WOULD FIX IT FOR US.

THE. WHAT? NO. MILTON WENT BACK.

LAST YEAR. LAST YEAR.

AND. AND THAT COULD CAUSE A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES.

WHO'S RESPONSIBLE? LIABLE. I MEAN, THEY THEY DO A POOR JOB ON THE DOCK AND SOMEONE OR SOMEONE DOING IT FOR THEM AND GETS HURT.

RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. BUT I THINK LIE ON THAT.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. AGAIN, WE'RE ASKING THE QUESTIONS. IT'LL OPEN UP A LOT OF QUESTIONS. WE DON'T WE DON'T NORMALLY.

YEAH. THAT'S HOW IT WAS PRESENTED THOUGH. I, I REMEMBER IT TOO THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO LIKE THEY SAID, WELL, THEY HAVE DONE SIGNIFICANT REPAIRS. THEY THERE'S A WORD THAT THEY DID BUILD COMPLETELY PUT IN A NEW DECK BUILDING.

AND THEY ALSO DID. RIGHT. AND THEY DID PUT IN ANYBODY, FOR ANYBODY, FOR ANYBODY.

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AND THEY'VE MADE THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEY THE PAINTING OF THE BUILDING, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A BIG DEAL IF THEY HAVE A WEEKEND PROJECT, BUT THEY THINK IT'S A BRICK BUILDING. SO YOU HAVE TO COLOR THE WHITE COLOR THAT IT ALREADY IS JUST JUST WHITE PAINTED, BUT NOT BRICK. I THINK WE CAN DO THAT PRETTY EASILY.

THE BUILDING OF THE DOCK IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BUILD A DOCK TO COMMERCIAL ARE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN WE BUILD. BUT AS FAR AS IT GOES, WE COULD WE COULD DO IT IF THEY HAVE A LICENSE.

BUT. DO THAT.

THAT'S THAT'S HOW IT WAS PRESENTED. WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.

COMMISSIONER THE QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.

IN LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS, DID IT WAS IT IN ANY VIOLATION TO THE TO THE GRANT? NO, NOT IF THEY JUST WANTED TO FIX THE DOCK AND, AND, OR PAINT THE BUILDING.

I DIDN'T SEE THAT THAT VIOLATED. OKAY. AS LONG AS THE GRANT WASN'T, IT WAS STILL FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES.

THAT'S THE WHOLE THING. YOU CAN'T DO COMMERCIAL PURPOSES OR EXCLUSIVITY TO OPEN PUBLIC RECREATION.

OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I'M CLOSING BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS.

[3. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. BLVD AND GEORGIA AVENUE/CENTRAL AVENUE - STOP SIGNS]

CENTRAL AVENUE. STOP SIGN IS WHO'S GOING TO PRESENT? IS THAT YOU, JOE, OR MR. LEGGETT IS GOING TO PRESENT? ALL RIGHT. MILTON LEGGETT, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. THIS IS A D AND D REFERENCE TO MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD, GEORGIA AVENUE, CENTRAL AVENUE STOP SIGNS. RESIDENTS IN EAST STEWART COMMUNITY HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT VISIBILITY AND SIGHT.

LINE OF SIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD, GEORGIA AVENUE AND CENTRAL AVENUE.

AT THE RESPONSE OF. THE COMMISSION DIRECTED STAFF TO PURSUE AN INSTALLATION OF A FOUR WAY STOP SIGN AT THE INTERSECTION.

THE CITY CONTRACTED WITH CALTECH ENGINEERING TO CONDUCT A STUDY TO DETERMINE WHETHER A FOUR WAY STOP SIGNS ARE WARRANTED, AND PREPARE A SKETCH SHOWING THE PROPOSED SIGN LOCATIONS.

AFTER THE PROPOSED SIGNS WERE READY TO INSTALL AND WERE NOTIFIED AND POSTED ON THE CITY MESSAGE BOARDS, SEVERAL RESIDENTS EXPRESSED CONCERNS OBJECTING TO.

WITH OBJECTIONS. IN RESPONSE, THE COMMISSION REQUESTED THAT THE ITEM BE BROUGHT BY.

FURTHER DISCUSSION. CAP TECH ENGINEERS HERE NOW.

JOE CAPRA WILL PRESENT THE FINDINGS OF THE STUDY.

THE PROPOSED STOP SIGN LAYOUT AND ALTERNATIVES.

OPTIONS AND CONSIDERATIONS. BASICALLY, THE BOARD.

AFTER THE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION, THE BOARD WILL PROVIDE DIRECTIONS TO STAFF WHAT DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO.

MR. CAPRA, YOU WANT TO COME IN? MR.. NO. YOU CAN BUY IT.

OKAY. THANK MAYOR. HOW MUCH TIME DO I HAVE? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU.

YOU'VE BEEN RUNNING LATE WITH DISCUSSION. WE HAD FROM 4 P.M.

TO 5:30 P.M.. THREE MINUTES. I GOT THREE MINUTES.

OKAY. I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK. AND I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW.

FIRST OF ALL, WE WE DID HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY COMPLETED FOR THE PROJECT.

ESSENTIALLY THIS PLAN'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN YOUR PACKET.

THIS IS MLK BOULEVARD. THIS IS GEORGIA AVENUE.

I ADDED SOME MORE SAFETY FEATURES, QUITE HONESTLY, BASED ON BONNIE'S RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WERE GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO IT BASICALLY I I'M NOT GOING TO I CAN GO THROUGH THE STUDY IF YOU'D LIKE.

I WILL POINT OUT ONE OF THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK SAID, WAS IT A SPEED STUDY? THERE WAS NOT A SPEED STUDY DONE ON THIS PROJECT.

OKAY. WE CAN DO ONE IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS SPEED LIMITS IN HERE ARE 25MPH ON BOTH STREETS.

AND THERE'S A SCHOOL ZONE IN HERE, WHICH IS 20MPH.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT SOMETHING I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE HERE. THIS IS TECHNICALLY AN INTERIM PLAN.

OKAY. ESSENTIALLY ESSENTIALLY THE MLK STREETSCAPE PLAN WAS PLANNED TO BE DONE IN 2028.

OKAY. AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT PLAN CURRENTLY DOES CALL FOR AN ALL WAY STOP.

I KNOW IN OUR PLANS IT SAYS FOUR WAY STOP. THE PROPER TERM IN TODAY'S LINGO IS ALL WAY STOP.

OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WE WERE BASICALLY DOING THIS STUDY JUST TO KIND OF SAY FOR SAFETY REASONS.

AND IS THERE A, IS THERE A WARRANT FOR THIS? OKAY.

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AND QUITE HONESTLY, AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO QUICKLY KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS WITH YOU. THE STUDY PRETTY MUCH SHOWS IT, BUT PRETTY MUCH THE NUMBER OF CRASHES WHICH THERE WAS.

11 OKAY. AT THE, IN THIS GENERAL AREA, OKAY. DOES NOT REALLY MEET A REQUIREMENT FOR, FOR, FOR CRASH THAT WARRANTY. OKAY. IT'S NOT MET AS PER SE THE SITE DISTANCE MEMO BECAUSE THAT'S THE PERSON SITTING HERE THAT'S LOOKING IN THIS DIRECTION AND LOOKING IN THIS DIRECTION, AND THE SAME PERSON SITTING HERE LOOKING IN THIS DIRECTION, IN THIS DIRECTION, AND PEOPLE IN ALL DIRECTIONS, THERE IS A SITE DISTANCE PROBLEM.

OKAY. THERE WOULD NORMALLY BE A LOT MORE CLEAR AREA.

YOU'VE GOT PLANTERS HERE, YOU'VE GOT PARKING SAME THING ON THIS SIDE, SAME THING ON THIS SIDE.

SO ESSENTIALLY THAT WARRANT IS, IS MET. OKAY, YOU DON'T HAVE A CLEAR WAY OF VISIBILITY SITE TRIANGLE IS NOT MET.

OKAY. EIGHT HOUR TRAFFIC. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC HERE PER SE.

SO THAT IS NOT GOING TO VOLUME OF TRAFFIC HERE DOES NOT SEEM TO BE THE ISSUE.

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THEY DID DO THEY DID DO A STUDY OF THIS 12 HOUR PEAK PERIOD OF TIME.

AND THEY DID MEASURE TRAFFIC AND IT WAS BACK IN MAY.

SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S MAY 19TH OF 2026. SO ESSENTIALLY, THEY DID DO LOOK, THEY DID LOOK AT VOLUMES AND SO FORTH.

SO BETWEEN SIGHT LINES AND THE LAST ITEM IS IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN JUST VEHICULAR TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH AN INTERSECTION AND YOU HAVE THINGS, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, WHICH IS A SCHOOL ZONE AND EVERYTHING.

THAT'S A, THAT'S A REASON FOR A WARRANT. OKAY.

SO YOU TECHNICALLY MEET TWO WARRANTS. OKAY. YOU COULD PUT IN AN ALL WAY STOP HERE IS ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY FROM THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

OKAY. IT IS ALLOWED. YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT IT IS IS ALLOWED BASED ON A STOP SIGN.

OKAY. AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT'S WHAT THE STUDY SAYS.

I, I ADDED AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS I RECOGNIZE ONE ONE OF THE BENEFIT, ONE OF THE ITEMS HERE WAS THERE IS A SIGN HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT SCHOOL CROSSING IN THIS AREA. THAT SIGN WAS LEFT OFF OUR PLAN. WE DECIDED TO PUT IT ON THIS SIDE.

OKAY. BUT WE COULD ACTUALLY PUT IT DOWN THIS WAY BECAUSE AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT MIDDLE SCHOOL HERE, ACCESS IN THIS DIRECTION. AND OVER HERE TO THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

AGAIN, THIS DOES FALL IN THE 20 MILE PER HOUR SPEED ZONE AREA DURING THOSE PERIODS OF TIME.

WHAT ELSE WE'VE PUT. WE BASICALLY THIS IS A HIGH DEFINITION CROSSWALK.

THE LAST ONES WE'VE SHOWN YOU WERE WERE MORE WITH THIS IS KIND OF LIKE I THINK SOMEBODY CALLED IT THE LADDER.

IT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE A LADDER. ESSENTIALLY. WE JUST HAD THE STRIPES ACROSS HERE.

AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT. I CAN GO THROUGH THE STUDY, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT SAYS, THE WARRANTS THAT ARE MET HERE DEAL WITH SITE DISTANCE VISIBILITY, AS WELL AS THE THE AMOUNT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC THAT COMES THROUGH HERE.

SO IT DOES IT DOES WARRANT A IT WILL WILL ALLOW YOU TO PUT A FOUR WAY STOP HERE.

ALWAYS STOP. SORRY. ALWAYS STOP. SORRY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER REED.

YEAH. SOME OF MY COMMENTS ARE PERTAINING TO THIS. I WAS THE ONE THAT MENTIONED THE THE ALL WAY STOP.

I LEARNED SOMETHING TODAY, BUT I WANTED TO COMPARE THIS INTERSECTION TO MAP ROAD MAP ROADS, A NIGHTMARE. I DON'T KNOW ANYONE THAT'S BEEN TO LEONORA'S PAPI CHULO.

SOMEBODY'S GOING TO DIE THERE. LET'S BE HONEST.

GOLDEN GATE DIXIE HIGHWAY NIGHTMARE. IT'S ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE.

YOU MENTIONED IT, JOE. IT'S LINE OF SIGHT. THERE'S MULTIPLE INTERSECTIONS IN THE CITY OF STUART WHERE YOU HAVE NO LINE OF SIGHT.

YOU'RE COMING OFF ALBANY AND YOU'RE GOING NORTHBOUND ON DIXIE HIGHWAY WHERE BIG BOY SUBS USED TO BE THAT PLAZA.

I'M SURPRISED NO ONE'S DIED THERE OR TRAFFIC CRASHES THERE AS WELL.

YOU CAN'T SEE. RIGHT. HOW DO YOU FIX IT? STOP PUTTING ON STREET PARKING ON MLK.

THE MORE WE ADD MY OPINION, IT'S GOING TO BE WORSE WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE TALKING ABOUT A MAP LIKE THE VETERANS MEMORIAL BRIDGE OR MARTIN MLK. THANK YOU. WELL, I'M COMPARING IT TO THAT.

THANK YOU. YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET COMPARISON. SO ANYWAY, FROM 714 TO MARTIN DOWNS, THAT ENTIRE STRETCH IS A NIGHTMARE.

IF YOU'RE ON ANY SIDE STREET, YOU CANNOT SEE AT ALL.

AND ADDING SIX RESTAURANTS OR HOW MANY RESTAURANTS ON MAP ROAD, THEY CAN HAVE THEIR CRA MULTIMODAL STUFF.

IT JUST IT DOESN'T WORK. THE VEHICULAR VERSUS PEDESTRIAN WHO'S GOING TO WIN EVERY TIME A VEHICLE, UNLESS YOU'RE DOING AN ALL WAY STOP ON EVERY ROAD ON MLK.

THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY WAY TO PREVENT IT, IN MY OPINION.

WELL, IT'S A BALANCE, OKAY? BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, I DID MAP OUT.

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BUT AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THERE IS SAFETY IS DRAINAGE.

THAT ONE HERE, WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE JUST A WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? COMPLETE STREET PROJECT PARKING, LANDSCAPING, CROSSWALKS AND SO FORTH.

AGAIN, IT'S A BALANCE. AND YOU KNOW, THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN.

AND ESSENTIALLY, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE IN STEWART, RIGHT? WE'VE ACTUALLY PICKED THIS WHOLE DOWNTOWN AREA AND YOU'LL SEE A FLASHING LIGHT.

YOU PROBABLY DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT ANYMORE BEFORE YOU COME INTO THIS AREA, IN THAT AREA AND FROM, FROM ALL FOUR SIDES, YOU COME INTO IT, YOU SEE THAT FLASHING SIGN.

IT'S A IT'S A SLOW DOWN, TRAFFIC CALMING AREA.

PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT IT AND THEY START PICKING UP SPEED.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO HAVE MORE OF.

YOU MEAN DO I THINK MAP ROAD AND IT'S LIKE, IT'S JUST LIKE COLORADO AVENUE.

OKAY. WHEN WE DID COLORADO AVENUE, THERE WAS NO YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU COULDN'T YOU DIDN'T SEE ANY BUSINESSES THERE WHATSOEVER.

WHAT'S THAT? YEAH, THEY TOLD ME THAT TOO. AND ON WHAT ROAD YOU'RE COMING OFF OF.

YOU CAN'T SEE A LINE OF SIGHT. THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING A VEHICLE OR YOUR PEDESTRIAN.

PEOPLE JUST NOT PAYING ATTENTION. I MEAN, ANY SIDE STREET ON THAT ROAD SHOW RESPECT YOU WITH WHAT YOU DO.

IT'S THE COMMISSION THAT SENDS YOU IN THAT DIRECTION. BUT NO SIDE STREET ON THAT ROAD ON A FRIDAY OR SATURDAY NIGHT IS SAFE.

IF YOU'RE A VEHICLE PULLING OUT ON THE ROAD YOU CAN'T SEE.

YOU'RE BASICALLY JUST SAYING, JESUS, TAKE THE WHEEL ON YOUR TURN AND NORTH OR SOUTHBOUND, AND HOPEFULLY A VEHICLE IS NOT COMING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE.

YEAH, I GET IT. AND ACTUALLY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST YEAR, THEY CUT DOWN A BUNCH OF TREES ON THE MEDIAN BECAUSE PEOPLE COMPLAIN ENOUGH. SO THE MEDIAN, THAT'S THE ON STREET VEHICLE THAT'S PARKED RIGHT.

DON'T HAVE LINE OF SIGHT. OH, AND AGAIN, AND YOU HAVE TO DECIDE THAT, LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF THOSE BUSINESSES COULD NOT PUT PARKING ON THEIR PROPERTY.

AND SO GUESS WHAT THEY PUT IT ON. WE PUT IT ON THE STREET.

SO IN ORDER TO MEET THE PARKING. YEAH. BUT THEN AGAIN.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK HE WAS FINISHED.

YEAH, I GUESS I'M FINISHED. SORRY, SEAN. OKAY.

IT'S A GENERAL STATEMENT, MAINLY TO THE STATEMENTS FROM E STEWART.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE SPEEDING IS NOT JUST IN E STEWART.

IT'S EVERYWHERE. PEOPLE ARE DOING 60 MILES AN HOUR ON SOUTH EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD.

EVERYONE THINKS EVERY ROAD HERE IS LIKE A FREEWAY.

SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A REEDUCATION TO THE COMMUNITY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS AND LAST YEAR BEING THE WORST, THE SPEEDING HAS GONE FROM PEOPLE DOING 40 MILES IN A 25.

NOW THEY'RE DOING 60 AND A 35 MILE ZONE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT I KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, WHETHER IT'S PSAS TO THE COMMUNITY SAYING, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE OUR CHILDREN, THESE ARE OUR ELDERLY THAT ARE WALKING PEOPLE THAT ARE HANDICAPPED, YOU NEED TO SLOW UP. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES ISN'T GOING TO GET YOU THERE ANY SOONER, AND IT MAY GET YOU TO THE HOSPITAL INSTEAD. SO, I MEAN, I WAS JUST A GENERAL COMMENT ABOUT SPEEDING.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. BOARD MEMBER MOSHER. YEAH.

A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, MR. KAPUR.

THANK YOU. I DID SEND A LIST OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, AND YOU'VE ADDRESSED MOST OF THEM WITH MODIFICATIONS TO THIS DESIGN.

I DO THINK IN TERMS OF PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, THE FOUR WAY STOP IS AN IMPROVEMENT.

BUT I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS WHEN WE MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO AN INTERSECTION, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE ENTIRE NETWORK AND THE ENTIRE STREET AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE STOP CARS HERE. ARE THEY POTENTIALLY GOING TO SPEED UP AFTERWARDS TO TRY AND MAKE UP FOR LOST TIME, WHICH IS OFTEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE PUT IN A LOT OF ALWAYS STOPS.

ANOTHER CONCERN I HAD AND PERHAPS MR. BRINKLEY COULD COME POINT IT OUT TO US ON THE MAP.

IS IT SOUNDS LIKE THE MAJOR CONCERN HERE WAS VISIBILITY.

I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME STRIPING PROHIBITING PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MLK, BUT I WOULD LOVE FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO POINT OUT WHERE THOSE ISSUES ARE, AND MAYBE WE COULD INTERVENE WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN JUST STRIPING, BUT HAVE SOME SORT OF VERTICAL MEASURE, A BARRIER THAT WOULD PREVENT ANYONE FROM ACTUALLY PARKING IN THE SPACE.

I'M THINKING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN A FLEX POST. BUT IF, IF, IF VISIBILITY IS THE MAJOR CONCERN, THE STOP SIGN WILL HELP BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO SLOW THE CARS DOWN HERE.

BUT IF THE CARS ARE STILL PARKED THERE, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP INCHING OUT FURTHER TO BE ABLE TO SEE TO MAKE THOSE TURNS.

MR. CAPRA, BEFORE MR. BRINKLEY, I THINK MR. BRINKLEY HAS BEEN INVITED TO COMMENT ON ZOOM COMING.

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WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING TO THE EAST OR TO THE WEST, THAT THERE'S A SIGHT DISTANCE PROBLEM.

AND IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION FROM THE REPORT, IS THAT HAVING AN ALWAYS STOP WHERE EVERYBODY'S STOPPING BEFORE THEY RUN THROUGH THAT EVERYTHING SHOULD BE. THAT WOULD CORRECT.

THE FACT IS THAT YOU'RE SEEING. AND. PLUS, WE'VE ALSO HAD A.

I THINK MR. LEGGETT HAS PUT TAKEN AWAY SOME OF THE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES TEMPORARILY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN, SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE MORE. I THINK THERE'S TWO PARKING SPACES ON THE WEST SIDE AND ONE ON THE EAST SIDE THAT HAS BEEN ESSENTIALLY REMOVED.

THEY'VE PUT CONES THERE, BUT THAT IS A CONCERN.

WHAT IS IT THE IS IT IS ALWAYS STOP THE ONE AND ONLY.

OR ARE YOU ASKING FOR SOME OF THAT ON STREET PARKING TO BE REMOVED ALSO? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE ALWAYS STOP. WOULD HELP.

OKAY. AND THAT'S CERTAINLY THE REASON WHY WE'VE RECOMMENDED IT.

I MEAN, AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS AREA HERE OBVIOUSLY IS PROVIDES A VISIBILITY PROBLEM.

AND THAT'S WHY A MILTON HAS PUT SOME SOME TEMPORARY CONES IN THIS THIS ONE AND THIS ONE, THERE'S A STRIPE OUT.

I'M NOT SURE THAT ALWAYS KEEPS PEOPLE FROM PARKING THERE.

AND YES, THE PROBLEM IS, IS NORMALLY YOU WOULD HAVE BASED ON THE SPEED, YOU KNOW, YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT 200 AND OVER 200FT VISIBILITY THERE.

YOU DON'T HAVE THAT. OKAY. AND AGAIN, IT'S A DOWNTOWN.

TECHNICALLY, IT'S A DOWNTOWN AREA. SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO HAVE PARKING IN THIS KIND OF SITUATION.

SO THE BOTTOM BOTTOM LINE IS IT HELPS. IS IT THE ONLY SOLUTION.

WELL OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD HAVE TO ELIMINATE PARKING.

AND YOU PROBABLY CONSIDER SOME OF THESE TREES JUST LIKE YOU MENTIONED ON MAP ROAD.

SO THERE IS THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS. THE TROUBLE IS IT'S NOT BEEN USING.

WE DON'T REALLY DON'T LIKE TO GET RID OF VEGETATION AND TREES.

WE OBVIOUSLY ARE TRYING TO CREATE A MORE OF A COMPLETE STREET.

SO AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHICH ROUTE YOU SHOULD TAKE OTHER THAN LETTING YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU DECIDE TO GO WITH AN ALL WAY STOP HERE, WE CAN JUSTIFY IT. AND IF IT MEETS THE WARRANTS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS IS A DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION ITEM.

WHAT MORE FURTHER DIRECTION DOES THE BOARD WANT TO GIVE TO STAFF OR TO THE CONSULTANT? COMMISSIONER REED, I THINK YOU NAILED IT, JOE.

IT'S LINE OF SIGHT. NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, IF YOU CAN'T SEE, YOU CAN ADD ALL THE TREES AND ALL THE LANDSCAPING.

YOU CAN NARROW THE ROADS. IF YOU CAN'T PHYSICALLY SEE A VEHICLE COMING WHEN YOU'RE PULLING OUT OF A ROAD.

IT'S ALL IRRELEVANT. POINTLESS. LIKE YOU SAID, YOU CAN'T SEE PULLING OUT THERE.

EVEN IF THE FIRST TWO AREN'T BLOCKED. STILL HAVE ANOTHER TEN IN YOUR LINE OF SIGHT, RIGHT? I TRAVEL MLK EVERY DAY AND I'M SCARED TO PULL OUT AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY.

SOME. SOMETIMES I'LL RISK IT. I'LL JUST PULL OUT AND HOPE FOR THE BEST.

I DON'T GET IT. YEAH. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER MOSHER, DID YOU HAVE YOUR THING? COMMISSION. SO I GUESS I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

THE STOP SIGNS ARE IN THE FUTURE. COMPLETE STREET PLAN.

IS THAT CORRECT? THIS WOULD JUST BE ADVANCING THEM.

IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING OR. YEAH.

JUST TO BE FAIR. BESIDES, THE STOP SIGNS ON ALL WAY STOPS IS PLANNED FOR THE FUTURE.

AND THE OTHER THING YOU SEE THESE ANGLED NORMALLY YOU LIKE THESE PERPENDICULAR.

SO THEY ARE SQUARE. THEY ARE MAKING THESE MORE PERPENDICULAR.

THE LATTER. OKAY. AND PART OF THE VISIBILITY ISSUE LOOKS TO ME AND I WOULD ASSUME I TRAVEL IT EVERY DAY.

I COULD GO ON ABOUT VISIBILITY ISSUES TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO GET INTO THAT.

I HAVE THEM PERSONALLY. IS THAT THE ANGLE OF THE INTERSECTION OF THE STREETS GOING IN THERE? IS THAT ONE OF THE BIGGER ISSUES IS THAT THEY'RE JUST NOT AT 90 DEGREE ANGLES.

YOU KNOW, I REALLY DON'T SEE THAT. AND THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH 90 DEGREES.

BUT YOU HAVE YOU HAVE A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON. I MEAN, HERE YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE REALLY STOPPING BACK HERE, YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOT A BUILDING THERE. SO YEAH, YOU CAN'T SEE.

SO YOU GOT TO COME ACROSS THE CROSS TO SEE, SEE DOWN THAT LINE.

SO AND THEN I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT 11 ACCIDENTS DIDN'T QUALIFY.

IS THAT CAN YOU COMPARE THAT TO SOMEWHERE ELSE, LIKE ON COLORADO AVENUE THAT HAS A FUNCTIONING SOMEWHAT UP TO DATE COMPLETE STREET.

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WELL, THAT'S THAT'S IN FIVE YEARS, FIRST OF ALL.

OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU GOT TO LOOK AT WHAT CAN BE CORRECTABLE.

OKAY. OKAY. AND WE CAN CORRECT MOST OF THOSE.

OKAY. WITH WITH THE FOUR WAY STOP. THAT'S ALL I WAS POINTING OUT.

ARE THEY ALWAYS STOP? I'M SORRY. BUT THE FACT THAT.

SO YOU GOT TO LOOK AT WHAT'S CORRECTABLE AND 11 SEEMED HIGH TO ME, BUT YEAH, I GUESS I DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAD 11 ACCIDENTS ON COLORADO.

BUT NO, YOU SAID HERE THERE WAS 11. YEAH. THERE IS, THERE IS HERE.

YEAH. I JUST, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY. I HAVE NO IDEA ON COLORADO.

I JUST I MEAN, I KNOW THE STATE AND THE MPO HAVE A GOAL OF ZERO ACCIDENTS AND THEY'RE USING COMPLETE STREETS, TRAFFIC CALMING IN AREAS LIKE THIS TO REACH THAT GOAL OF ZERO.

AND I THINK THE CITY WOULD HAVE THAT SAME GOAL OF ZERO ACCIDENTS. SO 11 RAISED A REAL BIG RED FLAG IN MY MIND WHEN I HEARD THAT.

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, IN THE REPORT, IT MAY SOUND LIKE THE RIGHT AT THIS INTERSECTION THERE ARE SEVERAL FEET AWAY FROM.

YEAH, THERE'S SEVERAL FEET, HUNDREDS OF FEET, AND SOMETIMES ONLY THREE WERE AT THE END. SO TO ME, IT WOULD SEEM THAT A STOP SIGN MAKES IT CLEARLY A LOT MORE VISIBLE.

YOU PULLING UP FROM GEORGIA AND NOW YOU CAN PULL OUT MORE BECAUSE THERE'S A STOP SIGN.

SO THE CARS ARE REQUIRED TO BE STOPPED. AND IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE SLOWING DOWN TO GET THERE.

SO I FOR ME, COMPLETE STREETS, INCREASED SAFETY AND MORE TRAFFIC CALMING, FORCING CARS TO GO SLOWER INHERENTLY MAKES IT SAFER FOR NOT ONLY THE CARS, BUT THE PEDESTRIANS.

AND WE'RE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THIS BECAUSE THE THE ACCIDENTS, AMOUNT OF PEDESTRIANS AND CHILDREN THAT WALK ACROSS THAT STREET TO GET TO STEWART MIDDLE SCHOOL. AND THAT'S WHY WE RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING IT.

BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW, IT'S LIKE ANY PROGRAM OF STOP SIGN STUDIES AND SO FORTH.

YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WARRANTS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THEM.

THEY'RE JUST SUGGESTIONS THAT SAY, YES, YOU CAN DO THEM IN THIS CONDITION.

OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MATHESON COMMISSIONER BOARD MEMBER.

WITH. THIS.

THANK YOU FOR. TO JUST CONTINUE WITH THE MOTION AS IS.

BOARD MEMBER VOGEL. WERE YOU CALLING FOR A VOTE ALSO? I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK MR. CAPRA, IS THIS MAKING IT SAFER? YES OR NO? YES, I THINK IT IS. OKAY, THAT'S MY QUESTION.

YOU'RE THE EXPERT, SO I'D LIKE TO TRUST HIS JUDGMENT AND MAKE A MOTION.

I'LL SECOND. WHERE ARE WE? CLERK. I HAVE PHILIP DE BEAUREGARD MAKING THE MOTION.

AND WHO SECONDED? COMMISSIONER SECOND. COMMISSIONER.

WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT MOTION. OKAY. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION? NO PUBLIC COMMENT. NO OTHER FURTHER BOARD MEMBER COMMENT.

I DO HAVE ALBERT BRINKLEY THAT WAS WANTING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

HE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE BIG ITEM. THAT'S JUST.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ONCE AGAIN, MY NAME IS ALBERT BRINKLEY. I LIVE THERE. I'M OUT THERE EVERY DAY.

I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON MORE THAN ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM HERE.

I'VE SPENT MAJORITY OF MY LIFE, AND I'M 69 YEARS OLD.

I SPENT THE MAJORITY OF MY LIFE EITHER LIVING ON MLK OR IN THAT VICINITY OF MLK, WHERE I'M NOW ON EAST AVENUE.

I MEAN, ON 10TH AVENUE. I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS.

SO IF ANYBODY KNOW ABOUT THAT AREA IN THIS BUILDING RIGHT NOW, IT'S ME.

FIRST OF ALL, WHAT YOU ALL NEED TO DO AND START DOING CONCERNING THE CITY IS START CONSULTING EASTER COMMUNITY.

IT'S TIME FOR YOU ALL TO STOP DOING STUFF WITHOUT THE COMMUNITY KNOWLEDGE.

THIS IS A SITUATION THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO THE EASTER COMMUNITY, AND IT HASN'T.

AND ALL RIGHT, NOW YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO PUT A FOUR WAY THERE.

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YOU HAVE THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC BE BACKED UP ALL THE WAY TO THE RAILROAD TRACK IN THE AFTERNOON, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO EAST AVENUE IN THE AFTERNOON.

BUT YOU WANT TO PUT A FOUR WAY THERE, WHICH IS NOT BENEFICIAL.

KIDS DO NOT CROSS MLK TO GO TO SCHOOL. MIDDLE SCHOOL.

THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

I LIVED THERE, I KNOW THIS. MY DAUGHTER AND I TOLD THEM I HAVE A DAUGHTER WALK OUT MY FRONT DOOR.

SHE SCRAPED TO THE SCHOOLHOUSE. THEY'RE NOT ALLOWING YOU TO GO TO THE FRONT OF THE SCHOOL.

YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE SCHOOLHOUSE IN THE BACK OF THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

THAT'S WHERE THE INTEREST TO THE SCHOOL IS. WE DON'T THAT'S NOT BENEFICIAL TO HAVE A FOUR WAY STOP SIGN.

TRAFFIC NEEDS TO FLOW. THAT IS A BUSY STREET.

MORNING AND AFTERNOON, AFTERNOON. EVERYBODY IS CONGESTED.

THEY'RE PICKING THEIR KIDS UP. TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP BOTH DIRECTIONS.

SO A STOP SIGN IS NOT BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S NOT BENEFICIAL. I DON'T SEE WHY Y'ALL CAN SIT AND SEE THAT I AM THERE.

I'M OUT THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY AND I'M NOT EXAGGERATING.

I'M OUT THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY. I KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR THAT AREA, AND A FOUR WAY STOP SIGN IS NOT BENEFICIAL.

AND YOU ARE DOING THINGS AND YOU DO THINGS WITHOUT CONSULTING THE PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY.

WE ARE PART OF THE CITY, BUT YOU ALL THE TIME.

LIKE WE DON'T EVEN EXIST. YOU DON'T CONSULT US ON ANY THING.

YOU JUST MAKE DECISIONS FOR US. THIS STOP SIGN.

IT'S NOT BENEFICIAL. I'M THERE. ALL IT'S GOING TO DO IS CREATE PROBLEMS. BECAUSE WHEN THE TRAFFIC THERE IN THE AFTERNOON AND YOU GOT A FOUR WAY STOP SIGN THERE, AND THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY BACKED UP TO THE RAILROAD TRACK ALL THE WAY DOWN TO EAST AVENUE. WHAT BENEFIT WILL THE FOUR WAY STOP SIGN HELP? I WANT SOMEONE TO ANSWER ME THAT. WHAT BENEFIT IS THAT? TO HAVE A FOUR WAY STOP SIGN THERE. THANK YOU, MR. BRINKLEY. BOARD MEMBER. MOSHER. I KNOW THAT MR. BRINKLEY DID NOT GET TO SAY WHAT IS BENEFICIAL, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE.

I THINK YOU'VE TRIED TO ASK HIM THAT TWICE. YES.

MY QUESTION, IF I CAN ASK MR. BRINKLEY, IS WHAT WOULD HE PROPOSE THAT WE DO AT THIS INTERSECTION? HERE IS THE SITUATION HERE. YOU GOT PLANS RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER THERE OF EAST AVENUE.

GO AHEAD. THOSE I'M GOING TO PULL UP THE GOOGLE MAPS.

MORE HELPFUL. IS THAT BETTER. ALBERT THE INTERSECTION IS THAT MORE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE WHOLE GOOGLE MAP UP.

SO IF YOU ZOOM IN. SO NOW YOU GOT YOU GOT THE PLANNERS HERE.

YOU GOT THE CONES, YOU GOT THE CONES HERE. YOU THIS RIGHT HERE NEEDS TO COME OUT.

THIS NEED TO COME OUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE CITY EMPLOYEES BEEN PARKING THERE.

I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS. CITY EMPLOYEES BEEN PARKING THERE.

WE NEVER HAD NO ISSUE GETTING OUT OF THERE UNTIL THE GUTTERS.

PEOPLE STARTED POPPING UP HERE, EVEN RIGHT HERE.

SO ALL OF THIS WAS BEING PARKED AT THE CITY EMPLOYEES PARKING THAT YOU ALL.

I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS. WE NEVER HAD NO PROBLEMS GETTING OUT ON MLK.

NOW, YOU GOT THIS PLANTER HERE. THEY PARKING HERE ALL THE WAY UP HERE.

YOU GOT THIS PLANT HERE, 90 PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

YOU CANNOT GET OUT. ONE WEEK. I ALMOST GOT T-BONED RIGHT HERE FIVE TIMES IN ONE WEEK.

BECAUSE CARS IS PARKING HERE ALL THE WAY UP HERE.

YOU CAN'T GET THIS PLANTER HERE. THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT'S IN YOUR SITE RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS IN YOUR SITE. AND WHEN THEY PARKED IN FRONT OF THE GUTTER, YOU CANNOT SEE NOTHING.

YOU YOU HAVE TO YOU GOT TO COME ALL THE WAY OUT HERE TO SEE.

AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, I DONE GOT ALMOST T-BONED FIVE TIMES IN ONE WEEK.

IT'S NOT FLYING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD. IT'S ONE ISSUE, BUT YOU'RE PARKING HERE.

HERE THAT'S IN YOUR SITE WITH THOSE CONES OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T HAVE NO ISSUE GETTING OUT THERE NOW WITH THOSE CONES OUT THERE NOW.

BUT THIS IS A PROBLEM RIGHT HERE. AND THEN YOU POP IN HERE.

THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM IS HERE. IT'S NO PROBLEM NO MORE.

I CAN WE CAN GET OUT AND COME OFF THIS STREET HERE, WITH THIS, WITH THIS AND PARK IN FRONT OF HERE.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THE WEST SIDE HERE. THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

THERE'S NO MORE ISSUE OF SEEING HERE WITH THOSE CONE THERE.

BECAUSE I LIKE TO REITERATE AGAIN IT WAS PARKING ALL UP IN HERE.

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THAT'S IN YOUR SITE. THAT'S IN YOUR SITE RIGHT HERE.

THESE ISSUE NOW WITH THOSE CONES THERE. NOW WE DON'T HAVE NO PROBLEM NOW EXCEPT FOR LOOKING LOOKING WEST.

THERE'S A BUTTON ON THE OH, I'M OH, I'M DOING IT. OH, OKAY.

OKAY. THIS IS THE PROBLEM OVER HERE WITH THE PLANNERS.

WITH THE PLANNERS. THIS IS NO ISSUE. NO MORE HERE.

BUT OVER HERE, WHEN YOU'RE PARKED IN FRONT OF THE PLACE, THAT'S PARKING IS IN YOUR SIGHT ALONG WITH THESE PLANETS.

WE DON'T HAVE NO ISSUE GETTING. I HAVE HAD WHEN THOSE CONES GOT PUT UP HERE, I DON'T HAVE NO ISSUE GETTING OUT ONTO MLK NO MORE.

AND THE KIDS THE KIDS DO NOT GO TO SCHOOL THIS DIRECTION.

THEY HAVE TO GO DOWN BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB TO GET IN.

BUT HERE'S THE ISSUE. WHEN THE CROSSING GUARD IS NOT UP THERE ON MLK, JUST LIKE THERE WAS LIKE IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE CROSSING, LIKE WE NEED SOME DOWN THERE ON EAST AVENUE BECAUSE THAT BUILDING, THAT BUILDING IS IN THE VIEW OF YOU COMING OFF OF EAST AVENUE.

WE NEED, IF ANYTHING, PUT UP A CROSSING LIGHT, JUST LIKE THEY GOT THAT STONE SUN, A LIGHT IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE.

THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED. THIS IS NO ISSUE. NO MORE GETTING OUT EXCEPT FOR HERE.

BUT THIS NEED TO COME OUT, THIS NEED TO COME OUT.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. BRINKLEY. IS THAT YEAH, I THINK I JUST WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR VISIBILITY'S SAKE, THAT WE DO PROPOSE SOME SORT OF VERTICAL ELEMENT.

THE CONES ARE DOING THAT NOW. SO ANOTHER MORE PERMANENT BUT QUICK BUILD VERSION OF THAT TO PREVENT PARKING IN THOSE AREAS.

YEAH. THAT'S IT. AND WHAT HE'S MENTIONING OVER A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THE STREET IS AN RFP.

THAT'S THE FLASHING LIGHT THAT YOU PRESS TO BE ABLE TO CROSS THE STREET.

I DON'T THAT'S NOT A QUICK SOLUTION BECAUSE THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT PRICEY, BUT IT COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR THE MLK STREETSCAPE PLAN.

THANK YOU. COMMISSION BOARD MEMBER VOGEL AND COMMISSIONER READ.

JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS. THE PARALLEL PARKING THAT'S IN THE SIGHT LINE.

I MEAN, IS THAT NECESSARY? I FEEL LIKE WHENEVER I DRIVE BY ON THIS AREA THAT THERE'S LOTS OF PARKING SPOTS OPEN, EVEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD? SEEMS LIKE THE PARKING ISN'T REALLY NECESSARY.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'M AN EXPERT ON THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF MR. CAPRA, I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEW MLK STREETSCAPE PLAN, AND THAT'S GOING TO COME IN LATER, AND SOME OF THAT MIGHT CHANGE. OKAY. MR. REED? YEAH. I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENT, ALBERT, BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, REGARDLESS IF YOU'RE ON GEORGIA AVENUE GOING WESTBOUND TOWARDS DIXIE, YOU CAN'T SEE REGARDLESS OF ANYONE'S PARKED THERE OR NOT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A BUILDING UNLESS YOU'RE PULLED OUT INTO THE INTERSECTION, OR YOU JUST RISK IT AND HOPE FOR THE BEST. AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST THIS INTERSECTION, MULTIPLE INTERSECTIONS. I'VE MENTIONED IT. I UNDERSTAND.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE WHOLE DOT DISCUSSION WITH HOW THEY WANT THE HEIGHT OF THEIR PLANTS IN THE MEDIAN TO BE MAINTAINED.

BUT FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU TURN DOWN MY STREET ON THE SIXTH STREET OFF COLORADO, YOU CAN'T SEE ANY VEHICLES COMING IF YOU'RE IN A CAR.

THE ONLY REASON I CAN SEE IS I'M USUALLY IN MY PICKUP TRUCK.

BUT IF I'M IN A CAR, YOU CAN'T SEE AT ALL. SO I REALLY THINK IT'S JUST A LINE OF SIGHT ISSUE THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY SPECIFICALLY IN THE COUNTY MAP ROAD AND DIXIE HIGHWAY IN GOLDEN GATE. I THINK THOSE TWO AREAS OF THE COUNTY ARE PROBABLY THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS.

AND WE HAVE MULTIPLE INCIDENTS. SO WHETHER OR NOT THE FOUR WAY STOP, IT'S GOING TO FORCE VEHICLES TO STOP THERE.

I THINK YOUR CONCERN IS NOT NECESSARILY VEHICLES.

IT'S IT'S PEDESTRIAN AS WELL. IT IS MOSTLY WELL CROSSING THERE.

YOU DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE CROSSING RIGHT THERE.

MOST OF IT'S CROSSING DOWN EAST AVENUE, WHICH THEY POCKET IN FRONT.

THAT'S ANOTHER SOLUTION. Y'ALL NEED TO TAKE CARE OF PARKING DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF SAM, BECAUSE THAT'S A DANGEROUS SITUATION.

WHEN PEOPLE PASS IN FRONT OF THAT STORE, THE BUILDING IN ITSELF IS A SIGHT PROBLEM.

YOU GOT TO BASICALLY COME OUT IN THE ROAD OUT THERE WITH SAM AND, AND, AND NOW YOU GOT PEOPLE PARKING THAT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE THE BUILDING ITSELF IS IN YOUR SIDE OF YOU, YOU'RE BASICALLY ALMOST GOT TO COME OUT ON THE ON MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD OFF OF EAST AVENUE. SO IT'S BASICALLY A SITE SITUATION WHERE A FOUR WAY IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

A FOUR WAY IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM, WOULD FORCE THE VEHICLES TO STOP.

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THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. AND, AND, AND REITERATE WHAT WHAT SHE JUST BROUGHT UP IS PUT SOMETHING THERE PERMANENTLY.

LET THEM KNOW, DO NOT PARK THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, Y'ALL GOT TO THINK ABOUT, COME OUT THERE WITH ME AND SEE WHAT I SEE.

BECAUSE IN THE AFTERNOON, IF YOU GOT TRAFFIC BACKED UP TO THE RAILROAD TRACK BACKED UP TO EAST AVENUE, WHAT GOOD IS A FOUR WAY STOP THERE? BECAUSE THEY, THEY, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET ONTO GEORGIA AVENUE TO THE SCHOOLHOUSE.

YEAH. SO YOU GOT THE WHOLE STREET IS BLOCKED.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I THINK IT'S A BAND AID.

AND I THINK THE BIGGER ISSUE IS LINE OF SIGHT.

THANK YOU. SO, COMMISSIONER JOB, PLEASE. OKAY, SO I THINK WE'VE ALL MADE GREAT SUGGESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MR. BRINKLEY. I DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T JUST RE.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A MAJOR THING TO TAKE AWAY THOSE PARKING. BUT COULD SOMEONE TELL ME WHY DO WE HAVE THOSE PLANTERS PLANTERS AT THE CORNERS? I MEAN, I KNOW IT LOOKS PRETTY, BUT IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO SAFETY VERSUS PRETTY, MOVE THE PLANTERS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

TAKE THEM AWAY. BUT SAFETY REALLY IS THE ISSUE HERE.

SO I MEAN THOSE TWO THINGS ALONE WOULD MAKE THE COMMUNITY HAPPY AND MAKE THE AREA SAFER.

AND I DO AGREE THAT THE STOP. THE ALL STOPS AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING, BUT IT'S A TEMPORARY FIX FOR NOW.

AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MATHESON. OKAY.

I WANT TO BRING UP TWO THINGS ABOUT THIS INTERSECTION THAT I KNOW PERSONALLY, HAVING MY DAUGHTER GO TO SCHOOL THERE.

AND I MAYBE I'M WRONG, MR. BRINKLEY, BUT I DO BELIEVE WHEN YOU'RE EARLY, BEFORE STUART MIDDLE SCHOOL, YOU GO TO THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, BUT DURING SCHOOL HOURS, THAT'S AN ENTRANCE THAT PEDESTRIANS CAN CAN GO TO IF YOU'RE AT STUART MIDDLE SCHOOL TIME. BUT WE HAVE TO DIFFERENTIATE THE TWO.

THERE IS A CLEAR PROBLEM AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR STUART PD TO PRESENT AT THIS AREA FOR CARS BACKING UP BECAUSE DURING PICKUP HOURS THE STUART MIDDLE SCHOOL THERE ARE STACKS AND STACKS OF CARS ON MLK WAITING TO TO GET INTO CAR LINE, WAITING FOR CAR LINE TO OPEN AT STEWART MIDDLE SCHOOL.

AND WHAT I'VE NOTICED PERSONALLY IS CARS JUMPING OUT OF ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC TO GET AROUND THAT BACKUP OF CAR LINE PICKUP AND DRIVING DOWN THE OPPOSITE LANE. AND THAT THAT HAS TO DO WITH A POLICING ISSUE.

AND I'VE SPOKEN TO CHIEF Z ON THIS. THAT'S WHY I WANT THE PRESENTATION.

THAT'S US WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. BUT THEY ARE DRIVING DOWN THE OPPOSITE LANE ON MLK, CUTTING THROUGH THAT WHOLE INTERSECTION AND THAT BACKUP.

IT GETS DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO THE RAILROAD TRACK.

NOW THE PUSH IS TO TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD TO SOLVE THAT.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER RE. THIS IS MAYBE A BAND AID, BUT THE VISIBILITY ISSUE IT'S MUCH EASIER WHEN CARS, YOU KNOW, TO PULL OUT WHEN YOU KNOW, CARS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP AT A STOP SIGN THAN WHEN THEY, IN THEORY, CAN JUST WHIZ RIGHT THROUGH AN INTERSECTION THAT YOU'RE PULLING OUT AND I BELIEVE IN.

MOTION. IT WAS TO EXAMINE PUTTING IN MORE PERMANENT BLOCKING OF.

WE ALL SEEM TO BE IN AGREEMENT TO. IF WE NEED TO GET RID OF THOSE PARKING SPACES, WE CAN DO THAT AS A MORE PERMANENT WAY THAN THE CONE.

SO, YOU KNOW, A WAY WE'RE PUSHING TWO SAFETY ITEM, GETTING RID OF THE PARKING SPACES AND THE STOP SIGNS, WHICH ARE THERE DURING SCHOOL PICKUP. AND THERE'S A TRAFFIC GUARD THERE IN THAT CAR LINE.

THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE THAT THERE IS A STACKING PROBLEM THAT GETS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO THE RAILROAD TRACK AND CAUSES CARS TO DRIVE DOWN THE WRONG LANE. BUT HAVING THOSE STOP SIGNS MAKES IT SAFER WHEN WE KNOW WE HAVE CONDITIONS OF LOW VISIBILITY.

SO THANK YOU, SIR. BUT TO REITERATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GO DOWN GEORGIA AVENUE TO ENTER THE SCHOOL.

ONLY CARS DROPPING OFF. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WALK DOWN THERE. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE THEY HAD ME START TAKING MY DAUGHTER THROUGH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WALK. THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GOING IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL IS ONE THAT'S BEING DROPPED OFF.

EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S WALKING HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB TO ENTER THE SCHOOL.

STEWART MIDDLE SCHOOL. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WALK THROUGH THERE.

THAT'S WHY I SAY IT'S NOT SO MUCH A SAFETY ISSUE WITH THE KIDS, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GO IN FRONT OF SCHOOL.

YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB TO ENTER THE SCHOOLHOUSE.

I'M THERE EVERY DAY, SO I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. AND YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

NOT ON GEORGIA AVENUE. YOU DON'T ENTER THE SCHOOL.

WALKER'S ON A CAR. RIDERS GO. AND THE ISSUE IS WITH THAT.

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NO ONE HAS TO COME BACK MARTIN LUTHER KING, AND THAT'S A PROBLEM.

ALL THE CARS HAVE TO ENTER ON EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD AFTER THEY DROP, AFTER THEY PICK THEIR KIDS UP IN THE AFTERNOON.

SO YOU GOT TRAFFIC ON GEORGIA AVENUE AND MLK.

SO YOU ALL HAVE TO GET WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD BECAUSE IT'S DANGEROUS.

KIDS WALKING IN FRONT OF CARS AFTER SCHOOL, AND YOU ONLY GOT ONE CROSSING GUARD THERE, AND THEY'RE LIMITED IN WHAT THEY CAN DO.

SO I'VE TOLD THEM EVENTUALLY SOMEBODY'S CHILD IS GOING TO GET HIT AT EAST OCEAN AND GEORGIA AVENUE BECAUSE THEY'RE CUTTING IN FRONT OF THE CARS, AND YOU ONLY ALLOWED ONCE YOU PICK UP YOUR CHILD, YOU ONLY ALLOW TO GO EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD.

YOU CAN'T COME BACK SOUTH. YOU HAVE TO EXIT EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD.

THAT'S A PROBLEM. SO THAT'S THE SOLUTION. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL NEED TO SIT DOWN, SIR. THINK ABOUT IT MORE. WE HAVE THAT PRESENTATION.

THAT WAS THE FIRST HALF OF THE MEETING WHERE WE MADE THE MOTION.

OUR STEWARD PD IS GOING TO GO OVER THE SCHOOL TOPIC WITH US BECAUSE AT ONE INCIDENT THEY HAD THEM GOT PUT ON OUR STREET AND I TOLD THE CHIEF, I SAID, THAT IS NOT BENEFICIAL TO US BECAUSE THAT WOULDN'T ALLOW US TO GET OFF ON AND OFF OUR STREET.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEED BE BECAUSE IT'S THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEED TO BE SIT DOWN AND THOUGHT ABOUT MORE. YOU ALL. MR..

THANK YOU FOR HAVING THAT COME UP. THANKS. THANK THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE, MADAM CLERK. YES.

NO. BOARD MEMBER. MOSER. YEAH. THANK YOU. I KNOW WE'RE SHORT ON TIME.

I JUST THOUGHT WHAT A GREAT EDUCATIONAL MOMENT. YOU MENTIONED THE PLANTERS.

I THINK TECHNICALLY WHAT THOSE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE WERE CURB EXTENSIONS.

BUT YOU CAN SEE YOU CAN'T SEE TOO WELL IN THE MAP.

NOW, THEY DON'T EXTEND FAR ENOUGH IN THE STREET TO ACTUALLY CALM TRAFFIC, SLOW PEOPLE DOWN, AND THERE'S NOTHING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET THAT'S VISUALLY NARROWING.

AND SECONDLY, THIS IS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. DEFINITELY IN COMMISSIONER REED'S NEIGHBORHOOD PLANTING IN THOSE CURB EXTENSIONS AT INTERSECTIONS SHOULD BE GROUND COVER AND, IF POSSIBLE, TALL TREES.

WE'RE OFTEN PUTTING PALM TREES IN THESE THINGS THINKING LIKE, OH, IT'S A PALM TREE. IT DOESN'T HAVE BIG BRANCHES, BUT THE TRUNKS OF PALM TREES, ESPECIALLY A SABAL PALM, ARE JUST AS THICK AS A TREE.

SO WHEN DESIGNED WELL, THESE CAN BE VERY EFFECTIVE.

UNFORTUNATELY, IN THIS SPACE, THEY THEY WERE NOT SO OKAY.

SO THOSE CAN BE EASILY REMOVED AS WE'RE DOING A.

I THINK THE PALMS BECOME MORE EFFECTIVE. YES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. COMMISSIONER RICHARDS HAD HIS CARD.

OH, COMMISSIONER RICH, THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER OVER HERE SO SHE CAN SEE IT.

THANKS. I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ON CENTRAL HEADING TOWARDS THE SCHOOL AND YOU'RE TRYING TO TURN RIGHT ONTO MARTIN LUTHER KING, AND THERE'S CARS BEHIND, THERE'S A MOVING CAR BEHIND THE PARKED CARS.

IF YOU'RE TURNING RIGHT THAT CARS PASSED YOU.

THAT'S NOT A HAZARD TO YOUR CAR. OH, WELL, THAT'S SO NOW YOU'RE TALKING.

NO, YOU'RE. NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CAR THAT'S ON MLK TURNING RIGHT OFF.

IF YOU'RE TURNING RIGHT, THE CARS PASSED YOU, THOUGH.

IT'S ALREADY PASSED YOUR CAR BEHIND YOU. YOU'RE TURNING RIGHT.

IF IT'S ON, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GO RIGHT AND THE CAR THAT'S ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STREET, HE'S ALREADY HE'S WELL PASSED YOU ALREADY. I DON'T SEE HOW HE'S SAYING THAT.

THAT BUMP OUT ON THE RIGHT. HE'S COMING. HE CAN'T SEE RIGHT HERE.

TREES IN THE WAY WHERE THAT HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACE IS.

IF YOU'RE. BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE LOOKING TO THE RIGHT. TURNING RIGHT.

LOOKING TO THE LEFT. IF THE CARS ARE. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT'S TO THE RIGHT.

BECAUSE THE BUMP OUT THE CARS ARE HEADING EAST RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU.

THERE YOU SAID IF YOU'RE ON CENTRAL TIME, RIGHT? RIGHT. EAST, THEN. BUT IF YOU LOOK RIGHT HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN WHERE THAT TREE IS, HE WAS SAYING A LITTLE BELOW THAT. BELOW THAT RIGHT THERE.

THAT RIGHT THERE WOULD NOT IMPACT YOUR VISION AT ALL IF YOU'RE ON CENTRAL TURNING.

RIGHT. GO ON, MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD. IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS COMING FROM YOUR LEFT.

YEAH, THAT DOESN'T THAT LINE OF SIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT CAR'S PASSED.

I DON'T, I JUST I THANK YOU MADAM CLERK. YES.

WHAT IS THE MOTION? YEAH. COULD YOU READ THE MOTION? MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVAL. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF VERTICAL BARRIERS IF NEEDED.

SHALL I CALL THE ROLL? SHOULD THAT MOTION INCLUDE REMOVING THE ITEMS THAT ARE SITE PROBLEMS.

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NEED TO BE STUDIED AND WE'RE APPROVING IT. AND IF WE'RE NOT APPROVING IT WITH CAVEATS, THEN IT COULD JUST GO FORWARD AS IT IS, WE APPROVE IT WITH AMENDMENTS AND THAT IT GETS REVIEWED WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WERE PRESENTED.

YES. YES. I MEAN, IT HAS TO SAY THAT THE THE LINE OF SIGHT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO HAVE VISIBILITY, THE PARKING, ALL OF THAT SHOULD BE IN THE MOTION.

WELL, THEN I THINK THE VERTICAL NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE MOTION.

YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOMETHING EVEN MORE PERMANENT IS THAT IF YOU NEED TO HAVE BARRIERS, IF YOU NEED TO TAKE OUT THE PARKING SPOT AND PUT A CERTAIN BARRIER THERE, THEN THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, THAT IT COULD BE A VERTICAL THING, THEN THAT'S THAT SHOULD ALSO BE A CONSIDERATION.

SO COMMISSIONER. I'LL WITHDRAW THE MOTION. OH, NO.

NO! OH, GOSH. GOT IT. GROUND COVER INSTEAD OF BOMBS AS A CRB MEMBER.

ARE WE ABLE TO. I DON'T THINK I CAN. CAN I? IS IT A CR, A MOTION OR A MOTION? SO JUST JUST SAY WHAT YOU SAID MR. D. AND IF YOU'RE GOOD DO THE MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WITH TWO STEPS. FIRST IS THAT VERTICAL BARRIERS BE CONSIDERED.

BUT THIS IS IN PARALLEL TO THE INSTALLATION OF ALL THE STUFF.

AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, THE VEGETATION OF THE PUMP OUT.

WHETHER IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE PARKING THAT WOULD BE CONTINUING FORWARD, ALWAYS STOP AT THE SAME TIME, STUDYING WHETHER OR NOT WE REMOVE THE LINE OF SIGHT ON WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE BARRIER IS.

VERTICAL. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THE. OKAY. ARE YOU CLEAR? I SECOND THE MOTION. I AM NOT CLEAR. I'M SORRY.

COULD YOU REPEAT? THE MOTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MY STAFF AND THEN AS WELL AS THE PLAN AS IT EXISTS, ALSO TO CONSIDER VERTICAL BARRIERS TO REPLACE THE CONES, AND THEN THE REMOVAL OF VEGETATION FROM THE PUMPHOUSE TO ADDRESS PSYCHOLOGICAL ISSUES. GOT IT. MADAM CLERK.

YES. CAN I SECOND THE MOTION? OKAY. IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JOB.

I HAVE A QUESTION. MISS PINKSTON, WHERE DOES THIS STAND? IN LINE WITH THE THE WHOLE MARTIN LUTHER KING LANDSCAPE AND DESIGN.

AND SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE CONSIDERED IF WE DON'T WANT TO REPEAT OURSELVES TWICE AND MAKE A PLAN, WHERE DOES IT STAND IN LINE WITH THAT PROJECT? SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE DONE FIRST, AND THEN ANYTHING THAT WE DISCUSS AND MOVE FORWARD WITH CAN BE IMPLEMENTED STILL IN THE MLK STREETSCAPE PLAN, IF YOU SO CHOOSE. PERFECT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, MADAM CLERK. NO. IS THERE A COMMENT? IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAS A COMMENT ON THE MOTION THAT WAS POSED? MADAM CLERK. OKAY. BOARD MEMBER. VOGEL. YES. BOARD MEMBER JAMES VICE CHAIR MOSER.

YES. CHAIR DE BEAUREGARD. YES. BOARD MEMBER. RICH.

YES. BOARD MEMBER. REED. YES. BOARD MEMBER. MATHESON.

YES. CHAIR. CLERK. YES. BOARD MEMBER. YES. THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANY STAFF UPDATE? THIS CRACRB JOINT MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 605.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.